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Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-04 03:54:36)
FICGS forum is open !

The forum is open to all discussions. Feel free to suggest and debate all kinds of improvements for the website. Please speak english only.

Have good games... :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-08 13:10:47)
Things to be implemented...

Hello to all... and thank you for your confidence in this very new server (when no game started yet ! maybe today...)

I expected a high average rating, but not so much :)

The last update provoked the first bug -> in this forum. Sorry to all who tried to post here. It should work now.

Here are things to be implemented in the future :

- Vacations (until, time limit by move is 2 months)
- Conditional moves
- A better interface for the forum...

Don't hesitate if you have ideas to improve the website !


Best wishes.


Hannes Rada    (2006-04-08 13:20:52)
Thank you !

Thank you Thibault for this great job of creating a chessfriend clone. Chessfriend had definitely the best and most convenient user-interface for server play. I Hope many chessfriend-players will migrate to this server. Once again thank you for your work and support of the correspondence chess community ! Furthermore -There is an overlap in the class tournaments concerning the minimun elo requirement. Can you clarify this ? - No holiday entitlement is mentioned in the terms and conditions hannes


Scott Ligon    (2025-01-07 18:55:30)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

I am running an experiment where each move will be selected by Stockfish 17 in a deterministic configuration, so it will be possible to predict my response to any given move with certainty. I believe Stockfish 17 at these settings is so strong that it will be difficult if not impossible to exploit this strategy. However, if I reach a position where it looks like this strategy is going to lose, I reserve the right to deviate. If this happens, I will message my opponent to let them know that I am no longer following this system.

I'm using a python script to interact with Stockfish, but you should be able to get the same results running Stockfish 17 from the command line. I am currently running the search with the parameter nodes = 10 million (previously I tried nodes = 5 million but I found a way for white to win against Stockfish at that setting). From the command line:

go nodes 10000000

In order for Stockfish to be deterministic, it needs to be running on just 1 thread and from the command line that's the default. If for some reason Threads has a different value on your machine:

setoption name Threads value 1

I'm using the default size for the hash table, but if you run the search a second time without clearing the hash, you will get a different search result. So either close and restart Stockfish between searches or else clear the hash table:

setoption name Clear Hash

Lastly you need to be able to input the position before running the search. It is important that you enter the position via FEN string rather than by inputting the moves, because you might get different search results otherwise. Use only the first four fields of the FEN string, like this to get black's response after 1 e4:

position fen rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq -

From that position if you run Stockfish with nodes = 10 million, the last two lines of text output should say:

info depth 32 seldepth 46 multipv 1 score cp -26 lowerbound nodes 10000376 nps 462252 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 21634 pv c7c5
bestmove c7c5 ponder g1f3

I think only the values of "nps" and "time" will vary, everything else should be identical between runs / machines. So in this case Stockfish 17 recommends the Sicilian Defense and gives an evaluation of +0.26. (cp -26 is the evaluation in centipawns from the perspective of the side to move, but usually evals are given from white's POV).


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-08 14:49:23)
FICGS titles

As you may have read on TCCMB forum, ICCF officials reacted when they learnt about FICGS titles. My idea was it first to be informative (titles from ICCF/IECG/FIDE), because I think players like to know who they play against, particularly if their opponents are titled. It seems obvious to me that FICGS titles are FICGS ones, not "official", not ICCF or FIDE.. even if words are quite the same (titles are FICGS IM, not IM).

I would like to know what you think about that. Do you think FICGS titles should be renamed (ie. FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM), or do you think there's no possible confusion between FIDE/ICCF/IECG/FICGS titles ? This is an interesting debate I invite you to follow :

http://pub11.bravenet.com/forum/924995304/fetch/552912/

Thank you for your advices.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-08 17:51:15)
Drag & drop...

... isn't implemented yet ! The interface to play is a click & click one.

Go to "My messages", choose a game (click Game # or the rook)... the board appears.. click on the piece to move, wait the page loading, click the destination square, then submit.

Feel free to give me your impressions about the interface. Thank you in advance.

Thibault


Hannes Rada    (2006-04-08 19:06:49)
Vacations

The most important issue to be implemented is imho the vacation. I think otherwise many potential players (me included) will be prevented from joining a tournament. How many days a year would you allow ?


Hannes Rada    (2006-04-08 19:12:59)
Titles

I thing titles provide an incentive for players and their wording is not really important. To avoid potential conflicts with other bureaucratic organisations you should maybe rename them to FEM, FIM, FSIM, FGM ...


Hannes Rada    (2006-04-08 19:32:44)
vacations

40 days is fine for me. I've 31 days leave in a year and I ususaly use them all for travelling and visiting foreign countries. I had no experience with rapid tournaments on the cfc - server. However they also allowed 40 days in a year. Maybe otherwise many player would not participate. I for one had to go several times on business trips for a few days and in this case it would risk losing games in a rapid tournament if there is no possibility for taking leave.


Per Lea    (2006-04-08 23:09:40)
Titles

A provocative question: Do we really need titles at all? Isn't rating more informative than a title that maybe has been won when the player was at the top of his playing strength, many years ago? I admit the rating system isn't perfect, but I still claim it tells me more than a title. Being a Norwegian I am possibly less obsessed with titles (within all walks of life) than people from other countries?


Per Lea    (2006-04-08 23:23:25)
My messages/My games

I found it extremely confusing that when I wanted to make a move, my games are found under "My messages". To me, the logical place to look is under "My games"... It took me nearly 10 frustrating minutes before I managed to make my first move! Of course, once I know where to look, there's no problem. But it may be a problem for new players!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-09 10:16:50)
Duplication

Hello Marc ! I thought players (I first) precisely would appreciate something different and this totally "live" concept. I don't think many correspondence chess players will try to cheat this way... Furthermore, I already did implement processes to DETECT 'double' games.. and rules clearly forbid these methods.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-09 10:27:28)
TITLES !

I think the rating system tell a lot, titles just tell something more. What I think is to let appear "official" titles EM, IM, SIM, GM (note that I consider IECG titles as official ones)... Titles obtained on FICGS will appear differently (ie. FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM, and in another color..) I think it may fit to everyone, what do you think about ?


Per Lea    (2006-04-09 11:41:46)
Rating improvement...

2141? Now you mention it... I had simply forgotten the latest list! (Hooray! I am 5 points stronger than I thought! Everyone in A_000001 beware!)


Per Lea    (2006-04-09 21:51:02)
Suggested improvement

When clicking on "My games", only a list with one line representing each game should appear (as on ICCF, Chessfriend and I think all other servers I have encountered - and there are quite a few!) With many games running, a short overview is sufficient. Now I have to scroll down to a particular game, even though I only have 6 games running. I definitely think you should look to ICCF and Chessfriend to get some good ideas in this respect.


Hannes Rada    (2006-04-09 23:27:03)
Success

This server is now 4 days old and there are already 115 members :-) Many of them well known players from chessfriend. So this is really satisfying :-)


Sebastien Marez    (2006-04-10 08:26:01)
BUG

No the problem, It is necessary to make it possible the site to improve together. Sebastien MAREZ


Henri Muller    (2006-04-10 10:56:31)
success

Bravo et félicitations à Thibault ! Un TRES grand et mérité succès pour ce nouveau site. Bien pensé, bien ordonné, et....facile ( quand on s'y est fait !! ) Il y a qqs jours quand je me suis inscrit, j'étais le 39ème. Il y a déjà plus de 120 membres....et cela continue ! J'espère que Thibault sera en mesure d'assumer ce ghrand succès, car le travail ne manquera pas ! COURAGE - BONNE CHANCE ert....FELICITATIONS !! hm


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-11 05:18:57)
FICGS council / staff

About job specification, as I said, I would like FICGS to be a place that fits to the most, and not under a dictatorship (even mine :)), so the idea to create a council with all members who want to be part of it, voting all decisions relating server rules, tournaments, wch cycles, titles... (or simply opinion poll on the website ? or both...)

The FICGS staff should be able to manage the server (registering new members, moderating the forum, referees...) Nothing difficult, just needs motivation. Most important is that it could completely work without me. Of course, if developers want to help, making a drag & drop interface ie. or improving whatelse..) About "go", we'll see later, Hannes :) (it's a fine game, you should learn !)

Anyway I'll send an email to all players responding in this thread soon. We will discuss about that.

Best wishes & thank you !


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-04-11 10:36:45)
Computer accounts ?

Just an idea : as computer use is explicitly allowed on FICGS, it could be nice to offer chess program authors the possibility to have a "semi-official" account for their latest beta babies on FICGS.
Some of them would surely like the idea of having quite a tough test against good correspondence players ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-11 14:54:36)
FICGS titles

Hello to all.

I would like to have players opinion !

As you may have noticed, I already changed FICGS titles to FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM. (not titles obtained elsewhere) Do you agree with titles appearing this way ?

I thought several other ways : EFM, IFM, SFM, GFM, or only to mention norms obtained ! (not titles) At last, of course, we can suppress definitely titles from FICGS, a bad idea in my opinion. What do you think about that ?

Thank you in advance for your responses.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-11 18:33:13)
Bug fixed...

Many improvements in the send move process... It should not be possible anymore to make a wrong move. Stalemate detection is implemented. In checkmate case, nothing else should be possible than resigning. Thanks for your feedback.


Hannes Rada    (2006-04-11 21:03:24)
Titles

FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM. That's in my opinion a good compromise. Don't worry about the attacks of the guys in the Correspondence Chess Message Board. Just follow your dreams ....


Jose Carrillo    (2006-04-11 23:26:39)
Fischer Random Chess / Chess960

Hello all! I'm the moderator of the Fischer Random Chess email Club (FRCEC) and I'm always looking for sites in the net that support Chess960, to promote them in my club, and to use to coordinate Chess960 events. To visit FRCEC got to: http://frcec.chess960.info/ Jose Carrillo


Daniel De Noose    (2006-04-11 23:46:29)
FICGS council/staff

I'm interested too. I don't have always lot of time but I have lot of holidays ! ;-) You can see my description on echecsemail.com (login : danideno)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-04-12 07:24:22)
TITLES

I think the answer is obvious. FICGS titles should be named FICGS EM, FICGS IM etc, so that it's clear from where the titles are got from. By putting the organization's name in front of the title this way, I don't see any problems. I think the majority are bound to agree, and there won't be any sorta arguments with other organizations. After all, the world is a very big place.... there's enough room for everybody! I find FICGS a very friendly place. Also, organizations like IECG, ICCF, LIAPE etc. are very hardworking, dedicated organizations too, and I enjoy playing in them too. My thanks to you all.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-04-12 09:42:18)
Tournament formulas

I personally think such tournaments are too slow..... a real drag. 10 moves per 40 days seems exactly right for standard tournaments. Kind regards, Dinesh.


Patrice Verdier    (2006-04-12 09:47:09)
Tournaments formulas

I am agree with De Silva. I think that already tournaments are slow. 10 moves for 40 days or 30 days is a good formula. Perhaps it will be interesting to create blitz tournament for players who like this (example : 1 move by day) Also it will be interesting to create tournament with Cup System.


Patrice Verdier    (2006-04-12 09:49:26)
FICGS Council / Staff

Can you send your email adress for discuss about this organisation ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-12 09:55:40)
Ok.

I send an email to you now. My email : ficgs (at) ficgs.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-12 11:24:03)
FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM

What do you think about all titles not from FIDE / ICCF to be renamed with 'F' letter added. I tried to add 'I' for IECG, but this is really not convenient for the eye... :/ (see the new rating list)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-04-12 12:27:56)
FEM,FIM,FSM,FGM

I saw the rating list, with the title changes....Interesting idea......But what will the titles be called when some of us eventually gain FICGS titles?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-12 12:46:22)
FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM

About titles obtained on FICGS, it would be the same ones. We have choice : We could add a special letter, from the organization the title comes from (very confusing I think : IIM.. IECG / ICCF) .. or consider EM, IM, SM, GM are "official" titles, and FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM are the other ones, including FICGS ones... Probably not perfect. Any idea ?


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-04-12 12:52:51)
FEM,FIM,FSM,FGM

How about contacting IECG, ICCF etc and reaching an amicable solution regarding how to name the titles on FICGS?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-12 14:27:40)
Committee

Yes, I agree. We'll talk about that very soon with members joining the council / staff. I just created a mailing list in this aim.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-13 15:46:55)
New Titles

Hello Paul-Iosif.

Interesting new idea. In my opinion, there are too many titles & titled players already from official & "non-official" organizations. I think this is a mistake from FIDE / ICCF they couldn't remedy anymore. Titles from other organizations and particularly IECG are not really a problem "more", cause they are hard to achieve (rare), but I don't think this could be so attractive for players. To get a title is a reward itself. Maybe even EM title shouldn't exist.

But I think that ie. a KM title (over GM) could be an interesting idea !

Anyway, I'm ok with the commission idea, we'll vote that too.

Another interesting & controversial idea is (as IECG do) titles not to be awarded for life ! If player's rating decrease, he could lost his title... but I don't think this is very fair.


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2006-04-13 15:52:18)
New Titles

I agree it's a bit confusion, but there are a lot of players wich never achieves a title..so that will be atractive. About the fact that the title to be removed it's a bit unfair, because it's hard to be achieved... ----- My humble opinion


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2006-04-13 16:25:01)
New Titles

I agree that the rating in a way. I was proposing that because it like in my country where chess players start with a the third category and continue with II and I and cadidate master after which it's coming the Master title. So that will simulate more the country system...


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2006-04-13 16:30:20)
New Titles

Again, Their is no problem if you don't create such titles... I was only proposing... and I will submit to the decitions of the FICGS council... God bless FICGS!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-13 17:01:58)
:-)

We'll discuss about on the council mailing list, Paul-Iosif. If we decide to create such titles, we will create them.


Michal Holes    (2006-04-13 20:56:38)
ich kann nicht spielen

Warum ich kann nicht spielen..? Ich spiele Turnier ´´C´´ , aber ich kann nicht dem Zug machen.... Warum? Ich bin schwarz. Er hat e4 gespielt, und ich e5- und es geht nicht. Ich bin schon trostlos. Danke für die Antwort


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-14 04:54:25)
Proposal from a visitor (anonymous)

" >>> Hi Thibault

Congratulations for the launch of your new CC server! I fully support your initiative and hope I will join very soon.

Meanwhile I would like to share some ideas about the Ficgs Titles, which I also fully and unconditionally support.

My proposal is to adopt/or "recognize" any title awarded by FIDE/ICCF/IECG as a FGM, FSIM, FIM, FEM titles. (e.g. not just IECG IM = FIM, but all others too).

That is, a ICCF GM should be named FGM much as a FIDE GM, or IECG GM (or SIM, IM or EM for CC). There shouldn't be special treatment to those players with a title from FIDE/ICCF

Then, to differentiate them, there could be a color scheme or a footnote explaining the procedence of the title: FGM (ICCF) ...FSIM (IECG) and simply FSIM for the truly SIM title obtained at FICGS.

In adition, those players who do not have a title, but have norms either at FIDE/ICCF/IECG (my case ;) either will have them "homologated" (as the titles are) or better, when/if the title has been awarded later, his Ficgs title will be "updated" to the newly awarded title (by FIDE/ICCF/IECG), which must be the highest of them all (as in IECG SIM > ICCF IM > FEM ..etc)

This way FICGS will be the first organization to homologate norms and titles in CC world ;) <<< "


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-14 13:19:38)
Registrations, best of :)

Among players who tried to register with a false name, some of them have a great imagination. I'll post their most funny "contributions" here. If they finally succeed to skirt the filter (me), I'll just say "ok, you won... great. now, what about a game ? :)"


Fischer, Bobby (2900)
Holycron, Kieron


Hakon Anda    (2006-04-14 16:52:42)
Some wishes

I think this server works great after so short time online. However I think there are som possible improvements that could be done: 1. Option that can disable e-mail notification of one own moves. 2. It should be possible to take leave. 3. A better list of our own games, like when last move was done, reflection time left and so on. 4. A flag for every player that shows the nationality and other information that could be found in the rating list. Best regards, Hakon Anda


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-14 17:08:26)
Answers...

Hello Håkon. Some answers :

1. Maybe try : Preferences -> Notification checkbox
2. Right, other players already asked for this. Now you have 2 months to play a single move, so few chances to be late. The council will discuss about vacation option before to be implemented.
3. Some players asked these informations not to appear in the list to reduce it in size, so you can check this just by clicking on the games. ("when last move was done" : right !)
4. For website design reasons, I can't display many informations on the same page. I don't think flags are essential, but it will probably be implemented anyway !


Per Lea    (2006-04-14 23:43:10)
Coordinates

I didn't even notice that there were no coordinates until I read your posting! If you move directly on the screen, this should be no problem. I do not see any reason to maintain the option of entering your move by writing it in English notation instead.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-16 09:25:33)
Implemented & vacation

Hello to all.

Cookies, last move & board coordinates have been implemented. Thanks !

Still thinking about vacation, but it doesn't seem obvious to me that it is essential. There's objectively no difference between "vacation" & time for move... Rules on other servers are often a bit hard and to manage vacations is something more to do (and not so easy when you have few time). I would prefer not to hurry players and allow a 2 months time limit per move (= 1 month + 1 month leave by default) Quite more flexible. (!?)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-16 11:58:58)
IECG & ICCF webserver

Hello to all.

Congratulations to Ortwin Paetzold who just started with success (src. IECG forum) the new IECG webserver.

Feel free to compare IECG, ICCF & FICGS servers (if you already played on) in this thread, it may help me to feel future improvements, as I have no more time to play on the other ones :(

Thank you for feedback.


Hakon Anda    (2006-04-16 12:14:19)
Re: Some wishes

Hello Thibault. You wrote: "1. Maybe try : Preferences -> Notification checkbox". The problem is that when uncheck this box, one loose also opponents moves with e-mail notification. I wish to get e-mail notification with oppononets moves, but not my own moves.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-04-16 12:33:44)
Comparisons

Hello Thibault - first thanks for creating this server. I'm happy to see so many members joined up so quickly. I just started on Ortwin's server (IECG) yesterday. Too early to compare, though one initial item I like better on Ortwin's server is that I can easily change board colors and chess pieces there. Would like the board a little larger (or maybe be adjustable) on both sites. Easier for old eyes! Two items I like much better here than at ICCF are the time rules (ICCF's are much too long) and the tournament sign-up procedure. I can not sign up for an ICCF tournament on-line. I have to do so by printing a form and mailing a check to my NF. A old process for a modern method of play!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-16 17:12:22)
Email notification

Feel free to uncheck the "own moves" checkbox in Preferences if you don't want to receive notification for the moves you just played.

Thank you for feedback.


Henri Muller    (2006-04-16 18:11:51)
tournament formules

personnellement je préfère de loin 10 coups/40 jours. Ne changez rien, c'est parfait....sinon certaines parties (perdues ) "trainent" lamentablement !!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-16 18:33:01)
Adjudication

Déjà ? :)

So, about games "obviously lost" (somewhat subjective), the council may decide special rules so that referees can grant games that drag out. What do you think is best ? That's a recurrent problem in correspondence chess, and an original policy could make the rating more accurate, as some players may finish "good games" very faster than others... Quite subjective indeed, and not obvious. Where's the limit ? Maybe correspondence chess players should first accept this idea that their "won" games may finish much later...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-16 18:42:59)
Two players matches

Question about 2 players matches will be discussed too. I first decided not to offer these formulas because it may lead to cheating problems, at least unfair results. I have implemented processes to detect cheaters, but avoiding temptations is probably best for all :)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-04-17 08:54:33)
About Glen's observations

Thibault, I think Glen has a point there. IF any players are using/might use such fraudulent script writing, a system can be found to detect it!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-17 09:23:44)
Fraudulent ?

I'm not sure.. is really an "automatic player" fraudulent ? Many players are centaurs (human + computer). The decision to let an engine play would be a human one after all.. Anyway, a script player doesn't seem so easy to make. (and for what ?)


Glen D. Shields    (2006-04-17 19:01:10)
Thanks for the Comments Guys

Dinesh - since computer use is allowed I have no problem if someone uses a "script" to automate moves. I don't think that would be fradulent. Actually I think it would be clever :) The point I was trying to ask is anyone concerned (besides me) that we created a chess medium (server chess) where it's so easy to make moves that the games move too fast? I dread the start of a new section, particularly large sections with 10+ players. It's impossible to keep one's inbox empty for even a minute. I know I should show more discipline and walk away, but it's almost like an illness "just one more move then I'll stop" and I don't! One practice I've been using lately is to make a move in a notebook and sit on the move for a day or two before sending it. That helps slow things down. I wonder if a delay send option on the server would make any sense? One could make a move and then click a delay send button for 24 or 48 hours. One would be charged time during the delay, but it would automate the slow down and make tournament startups a little less hectic. Maybe I'm the only one who sees this as an issue> If so, then label this just one crazy man's thoughts :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-17 19:25:06)
New features...

Coordinates & last move have been implemented... Now the "live games" concept of the site extends to the home page :)

Also, player informations are 5 successive pages (informations, elo history, title norms, tournaments, games), reachable just by clicking on "ELO" (to improve yet) after clicking the magnifying glass.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-17 19:29:05)
True !

That's interesting and very true, Glen. I'll think about that ! Chess, more than email-checking, is a hard drug :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-18 00:34:26)
About vacation...

Don't you think it would be more logical to allow 40 (for example) days of vacation per year and not per game ? Vacation would stop the clock for all games of the player. Seems to look like "vacation" more than a "reservoir" that doesn't really have to exist ?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-18 13:25:56)
Time limit per move

If a player has 60 days and more on his clock, the deadline for one move is 60 days ! This is a provisional (quite good, I think) solution before question of vacation be answered. Many players can't play every day and correspondence chess games usually last several months, often more than 1 year.

It seems server games go much faster than email games, but rules 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves are the same.

Time limit per move in IECG is 30 days. Here, a 60 days limit (a rating period) don't seem too much to me. Players won't feel oppressed (Glen, turn email notification off :)) and I think they won't use it often.

RAPID TOURNAMENTS are an alternative solution.

Thibault


Daniel Cinca    (2006-04-18 16:12:59)
Help (email ficgs)

Dear chessfriends, Can you help me somebody with e-mail address of Mr de Vassal, Thibault?Thank you !Daniel Cinca


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-18 16:16:18)
my email

Hello Daniel. My email is : info (at) ficgs.com

[just replace ' (at) ' by '@']


Glen D. Shields    (2006-04-18 21:39:57)
A Suggestion

Thibault my e-mail notification will be turned off :)

I'd encourage you to re-consider your 60 day ruling. I can foresee individuals getting late in a game and accumulating hundreds of reflection days. Not many, but a few players could go 59 days per move 2 or 3 times in a row just to irritate their opponent. Not everyone is a "good sport" unfortunately :(

IECG does it right by limiting time to 30 days max per move. You violate the limit once, game is over no questions asked. ICCF does it half right and half wrong. They set the limit at 40 days, but then make the person waiting beg the TD to do something. If the TD refuses to enforce the rule, the violating player can stall as long as he wants :(

This is your chance to pick and chose from the best things done in other organizations. Either set a limit on the number of accumulated days so it doesn't go into the hundreds or set a reasonable limit on the number of days per move. Just don't let both become large. Also don't be wishy washy on the limit. Set a limit and enforce it, no questions asked. No hard reasonable limit and too many accumulated days is an infrequent, but irritating problem in the making. There won't be many, but sadly there will be those few "bad losers" who think it's "cute" to string their opponents along. Don't let that happen at FICGS!

Just my two cents :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-19 19:13:56)
Vacation implemented

Dear chessfriends, a major update on FICGS : Vacation has been implemented. You now have 30 days leave per year (for all games !)

Be careful using it, as days can't be took back (or vacation stopped before the end date) by playing a move for example. But you can add days to your vacation simply taking days more. You can play while you're in vacation, the days leave you take are simply added to your clock for all your running games. A message tells your opponent you're in vacation in the viewer page.

Also please note this new rule : Time accumulated is now limited to 100 days ! (taking effect at your next move) The 60 days limit per move is kept for the player's convenience.

Have good games !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-20 11:59:21)
Cheating / Forfeiting

Hello to all.

The website detected 2 'probable' cheaters registered (one playing), with a 1400 rating.

Of course, FICGS will face problems encountered by all correspondence chess sites but I think it will be minimal here, as I'm enforcing detection rules so that aliases couldn't register anymore.

Important : Games forfeited without a valid explanation won't be rated, and the account for the player closed. A player who may forfeit should send an email with explanation to : ficgs (at) ficgs.com

Thanks.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-20 01:09:44)
Updated...

You're right, Hannes.

A delay (of at most 10 days) has been implemented. Thanks !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-20 15:21:08)
ECO / statistics

Not too much :)

But I have many things to implement before. Also statistics are not very accurate yet, as the code don't detect transpositions.

This is only the beginning... Huh.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-20 23:14:19)
:-)

It's done.

Also other "strange" openings implemented.

Cheers :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-20 23:18:32)
Vote for the best game

A funny feature has been implemented : You can vote for the best game played on FICGS. I hope it will reveal great games... :)

The votes have a lifetime.


Graham Cridland    (2006-04-21 16:55:55)
Waiting lists

An option to remove oneself from the waiting list for a tournament might be useful. No immediate need on my part at present, but people's schedules change, etc.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-04-22 15:39:05)
Conditional moves ?

I cannot figure how to propose conditional moves. Is this feature implemented yet?

Maybe I did not read the rules accurately...
Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-23 06:12:25)
Not yet

Conditional moves will be probably implemented, but not this week... Many things to do before.

I think it's generally an appreciated feature. Some players don't like to receive "automatic" moves just after they played, but it seems to be a "must" have for CC servers.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-23 12:33:40)
Checkmate / Stalemate

Note : Checkmate and stalemate are not automatically converted as a win or draw, your opponent has to resign or accept draw before.. I thought it was a more friendy way, and you have the possibility to send a last message with your move.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-23 17:03:16)
Spanish / Deutsch (help...)

Hello to all.

As you can see, the home page is now "translated" (thanks babelfish :)) in 4 languages... It would be helpful if players speaking well spanish and deutsch can tell me about the faults... Please email me : info (at) ficgs.com

Thanks in advance :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-24 16:18:23)
Time pro move

The date of the last move played is displayed. I prefer not to store time for all moves on the server to minimize the size of the database. But they are stored on my computer. If there's a problem, I can find the time for any move.


Graham Cridland    (2006-04-25 16:02:04)
Weird

I'd suggest allowing one player to use them even if the opponent has them turned off, as otherwise it could get confusing... people might not ralize their move hadn't been executed.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-04-25 16:48:28)
Another Opinion

I have mixed feelings on 'conditional" moves. I agree they save time, but they also can be irritating. Depends how they're sent and who sends them.

We all have those opponents who play whatever Fritz plays. When one gets in a rather simple series of moves, those opponents like to run out a string of 3 or 4 conditionals in a row. Opponents like that are like leeches. You can't get them off your skin without yanking them off and eradicating them :)

Time saving versus irritation. Considering the options, I vote for time saving. The faster I can get rid of Fritz opponents, the happier I am.

Just another opinion :)


Graham Wyborn    (2006-04-25 17:42:52)
Please join:-

I joined this site recently and still have not started a game! Forgive the advert 4 the following games. We need one more player! FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_C__000002 (type : rated round-robin, time : 40 days, increment : 40 days / 10 moves) 7 players, 6 game (1 game against each opponent) elo : 1600-2000 Cridland, Graham (USA) 1700 Grady, Richard (USA) 1654 Höppenstein, Michael (DEU) 1700 Fillion, Nicolas (CAN) 1640 Wyborn, Graham (GBR) 1700 Muller, Henri-Louis (BEL) 1923


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-25 23:15:07)
Links (& emails) recognition !

The forum now recognizes links and emails. No tags or whatever, just enter the link & it will appear correctly... (for connected players, not from the home page)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-25 23:23:09)
Forums

Here are some forums where I announced FICGS. Most of them are well known & good places :

http://pub11.bravenet.com/forum/924995304
TCCMB

http://www.quebecechecs.com
Quebec Echecs

http://www.talkchess.com
Talk Chess

http://www.chessninja.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
Chess Ninja

http://chessexchange.com/
Chess Exchange


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-26 16:07:15)
Special tournaments

Hello Daniel. Chess 960 & Thematic tournaments (actual is king's gambit) are in category :

Ficgs__Chess__Special__Tournaments


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-04-26 19:42:16)
Russian, Italian, Chinese, Dutch....

The Babelfish versions of the FICGS home page in other languages are at the bottom of the home page... Quite funny :)

If players from these countries have time to help to translate, feel free to send me an email to info (at) ficgs.com ! Thanks.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-04-28 01:35:12)
Congratulations FICGS!

Congratulations FICG! The rating list now has over 200 members. 200 members in about 1 month of operation. Outstanding :) The more players we can attract, the quicker tournaments will fill.


Graham Cridland    (2006-05-01 16:32:05)
Hmmm..

All my moves created via the graphical generator have been coming up "incorrect move" today. Had to type them in.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-03 04:41:09)
Start positions

It seems to me that changing the start position from classical chess is "sufficient"... The purpose was, according to Fischer, to avoid databases and to favour creativity.. The same positions in the whole tournament allows to compare & analyze a bit deeper, maybe understand better the position. The start position will be different for the next tournament (working on). There are "only" 960 positions, there will be repetitions anyway... And what do you think about the Fischer rules ? Seems strange to me. I wonder if everyone knows how to castle in other start positions (king or rooks at different places)


Jose Carrillo    (2006-05-05 00:32:18)
Chess 4000 ?

Forbid what unusual (non-sense) move? Castling? Chess960 was meant to be the bigger picture, where regular chess is just one of the openings. Regular chess has castling and so does Chess960. About Chess 4000, without King placement restrictions, and without castling... Sure... I'm sure there are players that will play it. There are hundreds of chess variants. Some more popular than others... In FRCEC we only play Chess960, the bigger chess picture!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-05 15:19:03)
FICGS world championship

Hello to all.

Please post here all your questions / suggestions about the FICGS world championship rules.

There are many answers to bring yet : about the building of groups, who exactly will play which stage, etc...

It seems that many players like this scheme : knockout / round-robin tournament, that is more fair and much more interesting than a pure round-robin cycle. The final match rules are particularly hard (24 games, 30 days + 1 day / move), but I think it's a good way to make it different and give value to the title. Rules are not far from the old classical world championship, the champion will only play the next final match against the challenger...

FICGS WCH Rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tournament


Jose Carrillo    (2006-05-05 18:51:43)
Tournament reccomendation

Try a round robin + Page system playoffs.

Round 1:
Round Robin (as many players as you want)

Final Round:
Page System Playoffs:

Top 4 players in the Round Robin qualify for the quaterfinals:

1st place vs 2nd place
3rd place vs 4th place

Winner of 1st-2nd gets bye in semi-finals, and moves on to the finals.

Loser of 1st-2nd plays in semi-final round

Winner of 3rd-4th playes in semi-final

Loser of 3rd-4th gets eliminated.

Winner of semi-final plays in the final.



Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-06 11:49:01)
Advanced chess

About correspondence chess : IECG & ICCF (see links page) but probably all others too. GameKnot, Its your turn, Scheming mind, Chessmaniac etc... Real time play : Chessanytime, Chesshere.

Actually probably 98% are computer aided sites, so you can play advanced chess everywhere.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-05-06 11:52:49)
FYI ... Thibault

Schemingmind forbids computer use.


Sebastien Marez    (2006-05-06 15:47:35)
Cup

Cher ami, Avez vous prevu un tournoi du style COUPE FICGS? Bien amicalement Sebastien Marez


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-06 16:58:07)
FICGS cup...

Bonjour Sebastien.

Non, pas encore. D'abord pour ne pas multiplier les tournois, au risque de diviser leur popularité. Le problème reste d'imaginer une formule un peu originale, qui ne ressemble pas trop au championnat du monde (donc peut-être éviter le classique cycle de tournois round-robin). A suivre...

(about a FICGS cup, the problem is to imagine an original scheme, that doesn't look like too much to the FICGS world championship... a classical round-robin cycle is maybe 'not enough' to justify this special event)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-06 18:32:03)
All is possible...

Maybe players shouldn't be able to vote for their own games... But in most cases, interesting games are first known by the players themselves. We could miss something.

Anyway, I think only really interesting or spectacular games will obtain many votes. We'll see... I also think about mini-sites / kind of blog, or shared wiki-like pages for players who want to discuss & analyze games in depth together.


Henrik Dinesen    (2006-05-07 16:35:13)
I'm lost here...

I log in, but I can't find a way to start a game, or enter a tournament. Should I leave imidiatly becaurse stupity or "blindness"? "Anything" I see seem to indicate the first, but ??


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-09 16:08:33)
Cup / Wch

Bonjour Sébastien.

J'avoue que j'ai du mal à trouver de quoi justifier l'existence d'un tournoi "cup" utilisant la même formule ou presque que le championnat du monde, à part diviser l'intérêt et la fréquentation de l'un et de l'autre... Il est bien dommage que le système suisse ne puisse pas s'appliquer aux tournois de jeux par correspondance... Peut-être, pourquoi pas, proposer une coupe (façon championnat) d'échecs 960, ou réservée aux joueurs classés au dessus d'une barre ELO à déterminer...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-09 16:46:25)
Qualifying

I didn't know this system !? Is it really efficient ? How to designate the (4) winners of the round-robin cycle ? Then the semi-final (players bye :/) seems to be a stage more... Means at least 6 months more to end the cycle.

I think the combined round-robin / knockout cycle is fast and fair enough... The 2 first players (designated by the highest ratings in case of equality) of each round-robin tournament will be qualified for the next stage.

The rules for world championship have been updated.


Jose Carrillo    (2006-05-11 00:09:47)
Re: Qualifying

The top 4 players in the round robin qualify for the quarterfinals.

The beauty of this system is that the #1 and #2 players in the round robin have a 50% chance of going to the final (they deserve it too! as they finished top 2 in the round robin).

The loser of the 1st-2nd match still has a chance to go to the finals if he wins the semi-finals.

This system prevents lower ranked 3rd and 4th players in the round robin to knock out in one round the top players of the round robin.

If you play the round robin to win (and finish 1st or 2nd) you are rewarded for the finals.

There is still the possibility of the 1st and 2nd place in the round robin to play in the final match.

If you just play to finish 3rd or 4th, you have to fight your way to the final.

There will never be a 3rd vs 4th final match, something very well possible in a knock out tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-12 07:39:04)
Re: Qualifying + Banned players

Hello Jose. You said : "There is still the possibility of the 1st and 2nd place in the round robin to play in the final match."

Actually this is the case, 1st and 2nd qualify for the next stage. How your system works for a 3 stages round-robin tournament cycle ? We can't add 2 extra-stages to designate who qualify from each round-robin tournament...


Hello Trent. There are 3 players who unregistered (not banned), they still appear in the WCH waiting list but they will be automatically removed when building groups.


Marius Zubac    (2006-05-13 00:08:19)
Please remove my name

I have opened an oening topic by mistake 1.e4-e6 2.d4-d5 and now my name has been added to the original author. Please remove my name (Marius Zubac). Thanks


Jose Carrillo    (2006-05-13 00:28:45)
Re: Qualifying

In a Knock out you can have 3rd vs 4th in the final. In the Page system you can't.

It's just a matter of whether you want to acknowledge the top players in the round robin.

In the page system ONLY the top four players in the round robin qualify for the playoffs.

Look at the Page system in practice in the Gligoric Cup tournament that we are running in FRCEC at:

http://frcec.chess960.info/GligoricCup.htm


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-13 07:14:14)
Contributors names

It seems you succeeded in removing your name by yourself... Actually, you just have to delete it. Then your name will only appear as the last contributor who modified the article, you just have to wait a new modification and it won't appear anymore...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-13 11:14:02)
Problem is...

... when you have a round-robin cycle ! Anyway, I updated the WCH rules page. This is certainly more fair now, and I think the knock out system will be appreciated.

Thanks for suggestions !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-13 20:27:05)
Swiss : 3 rounds ?

Hello Heinz-Georg.

Interesting, but how exactly did it work ? Only 3 rounds, but how many games per round and against who (I didn't know that swiss system allowed to play several games per round...) ? Thanks in advance for enlightening me.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-14 16:07:16)
"Blitz" cup...

Thank you Heinz Georg, for the files you sent to me.

Now I understand better the work and ideas of Reimund Lutzenberger in Chessfriend.com, a great experimentation field for sure...

I first concluded some things not to do in FICGS WCH. In example, a player rated 2500 (even provisional rating from fide) shouldn't have to play in the first stage against a low-rated player in a world championship [but that could be possible in a cup tournament cycle]. So I'll add special rules for high rated players (who are not qualified for the WCH knockout tournament) to begin directly in a 2nd stage tournament...

I agree with Dinesh, the aim is not to use the same formulas, even good ones. Anyway I think we can find new interesting (better :)) ones. But as the WCH is already a rapid tournament cycle, the CUP could be an unrated "blitz" (30 days per game with no increment, or even 10 days + 1 hour / move) knockout (2 games / match + playoffs) !! Something quite "brutal" and unfair between correspondence chess & classical rythms. What do you think ?


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-05-14 17:29:59)
Swiss and Blitz Cup

Hello Thibault

Swiss tournament was only a suggestion. I don't like knockout tournaments - too many rounds (7 if 128 players want to play), great problems, if not the right number of players is available or players withdraw. If you have only 30 days for the whole game, it is much better to live on the "right" continent relative to your opponent.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2015-11-05 01:24:27)
Thematic tournaments?

Sicilian Labourdonnais or French McCutcheon


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-15 08:33:32)
Team Championship

In brief : The idea of a team championship is very good, but of course it's too early... Such a championship could be a 2 stages round-robin tournament with teams of 6 or 7 players.


Bonjour Sébastien. Pourquoi discorde ? :) Au contraire...

Pour le moment j'envisageais des matchs par équipe occasionnels (FICGS vs. fédération ou autre serveur de jeu).

Le problème d'un championnat est qu'il soit représentatif, il serait donc souhaitable (dans le cas par pays) de pouvoir monter des équipes complètes (6 ou 7 joueurs) et que les plus forts joueurs trouvent un "intérêt" à défendre leurs couleurs (dépend de la popularité du serveur). L'idée est de toutes manières des plus intéressantes, mais le serveur doit gagner en confiance et en expérience sur la durée, il est encore tôt. Par contre je me demande comment se déroulerait un tel championnat... Un tournoi toutes ronde (round-robin) entre 5 à 9 pays, divisés par groupes, puis une phase finale ?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-15 11:05:57)
Blitz cup

Yes, time is the main problem. Correspondence chess don't give a large choice, it's difficult to vary rhythms.

10 days + 1 day per 4 moves (6 extra hours / move) could be more fair and we can avoid playoffs with the sudden death (similar to WCH knockout tournament). I like the idea of a violent, rapid and quite unfair (unrated) tournament. It could be quite popular. An advantage in a knockout (with 2 rounds) is that a few games will have to be played : 7 rounds means at most 14 games... If the number of players doesn't fit, the highest rated players could enter at stage 2. The winner could be qualified for the third stage of the WCH round-robin cycle.

But there are potential problems. I don't find a good & fair algorithm to distribute players in a big knockout (chance is not a good idea, I think), and it could be a big work to organize such a tournament (& start games regularly) with 256 players or more...


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-05-15 13:53:13)
Blitz Cup

I think you're quite correct, Thibault! It seems conducting such a tourney has some practical problems. Nevertheless, it was good discussing ideas.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-16 19:28:57)
New feature : Comments

Hello to all.

I was thinking about a new feature, that could be quite interesting but maybe controversial. It would allow members to write public comments on any game played, appearing on the viewer page... So it could be used also to share analysis... There are several alternatives : Comments could be displayed or authorized only after the game finished, and / or written only by players who actually played the game, etc...

What do you think ?


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-16 20:15:30)
about comments

i think that the players theirself could be able to comment their own games , but others players should wait the end to post their comments . and it should be like on the wiki , to change a comment , man has to be better rated .


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-05-17 08:41:06)
overall evaluation of this new site

This mate problem on this site is a big problem. Only chess site I play on where you have won and it is not won until the player resigns. Secondly I am in a game where mate is in 2. but my opponent has stopped playing. Many others are reporting the same thing. The idea is nice, it assumes that all players are good sports. Over all I would say many players here are not considerate of their opponents, and it is a reflection of their charachter. I dont think to much of the moderaters or those who are responsible and have taken a no action stance despite many complaints. Moderator or responsible authority take care of this ridiculous policy Regards Wayne


Juri Eintalu    (2021-09-27 22:56:01)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Interesting. I had to make a move AND accept the draw. Then, the system recognized the draw. But the last move I made was not counted. It was also fun that when I tried to ACCEPT a draw, the system warned that several draw offers are punishable. I started to fear whether I have ACCEPTED that draw more than 3 times...


Per Lea    (2006-05-17 13:27:46)
FICGS is not alone....

I have encountered a similar problem on another website: when accepting an offer of a draw, the system wouldn't accept the result unless you played a move as well!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-17 13:53:11)
ref : Wayne

You pointed out the problem : Actually, the situation is the same if there's is mate in 2 or mate already... or mate in 15...

Anyway, the "call refere" should have been reachable when it's not your turn. I'll tell here when it's fixed.

Thanks for feedback !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-17 15:37:39)
Best game :-)

Maybe we should wonder why players didn't vote for other 'better' games !?

A good game doesn't necessarily need to be perfect, but obviously it has to be spectacular. It seems to be the criteria for players. Who said there was no beauty without errors...

However, I hope Wikichess and Comments feature will reveal good chess games in another way.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-17 20:44:05)
Delay before adjudication request

About the game you request for adjudication, Wayne... I see you played your last move 2 days ago. It's a bit early... Please wait about a ten days before calling referee, even if your opponent takes 5 days for each move... This is correspondence chess... and we have time :) In email games (with the same time) such situations may take much more time... Be patient ! It doesn't prevent you to enter a new tournament, and next rating calculation won't occur before july.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-05-18 00:53:27)
Mate Problem Should be Fixed

Thibault - Since I am never at a loss to voice an opinion , I'll go ahead and voice one here :)


I don't know how much work it is for you to fix the mate problem, but I think it should be fixed. I admit in the 1000+ correspondence games I've played through the years very few games actually get to the checkmate move. When they do, the game should be over. There is no reason one should have to beg his opponent to resign or beg the referee to do something. That doesn't make any sense. Is it a HUGE problem to fix this? I'm perplexed.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-18 20:10:13)
ECO code

Search by ECO code (actually by opening) is now implemented. You need to disconnect (or open a new window) to use it.

http://www.ficgs.com/directory_openings.html

Find your opening, then click on the ECO code (not on the magnifying glass, that is linked to wikichess) and you'll have results in a second...


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-05-19 00:50:31)
It is not nonsense

He resigned i believe cause of opinion of those here. It is not nonsence. The fact that this site is correspondence has nothing to do with it. absolutley nothing ! You go to any club tournament and you will not be welcome back with such over the board conduct. It is rude, spitefull and counter productive to good chess and fair play. You will change this rule my friend. There is NO justification for a player to drag out a forced mate loss if he sees it. and believe me in the case of my game 205 you must admit it is obvious. In fact he should have resigned many moves earlier, I would have 4 sure. do not like your weak argument justifying the mate implementation.... Here is to a nice cite for corresponse chess. Respexctfully Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-19 02:15:13)
Amici sumus

Hello Wayne. I agree, of course, your game was won. Here the problem is not the checkmate rule, it is about the adjudication of a forced win or draw ! Clearly, there's no perfect solution. There will be some abuses, more or less important ! One can't prevent this... Rules (particularly time rules) mean abuses. But don't forget that if a player abuses, it doesn't mean all players do the same intentionally in such a situation. I don't know if your opponent really stopped to play... (what for ? .. you'll get the point anyway) Maybe he just had other things to do these days... Who knows ? Even if this is not the case, it could have been ! It is the same problem (in the forced mate case) everywhere, there's simply nothing else to do than wait, then call referee when a time limit is reached. There's no other reasonable rule ! (and it would be too much work for referees)

Understand me, I don't say it was not an abuse, I just say there's no solution. If I change the rule, there will be abuses in another way ! There will be abuses anyway... Nevertheless, if you have an idea, I'll read it with interest.

Respectfully.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-05-19 08:05:25)
suggestion

I see your points. I play at another corresponce sight, Pacific-mall.com/chess. They have solved the problem there and incidentally it will satisfy those who have mentioned the desirability to chat with your opponent during the game. At pac-mall you can chat about the game or any subject, others can view the game and drop by to say hello, or what ever. Outsiders do not suggest moves but are allowed to talk about a particuliar line after the fact, but in ten years there I have not seen this done only in rare circumstances. In the talk window you can politely tell your oppent "it is mate come up. giving the forced line" or you can just say "Dan the game is lost for you, give your reason. All accept this decorum there. and it is the friendliest cite on the web. The players there range from novices to close to 2300 which I am. By the way, my name there is globalpac, look me up on the ladders (2). Do me a favor and check it out. Tell me what you think. Thank you With respect.... Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-19 11:09:58)
Re: Suggestion

Thanks for the suggestion, Wayne. Actually, I'm to implement a "comments" feature (see the discussion in a thread below). I don't think it's a perfect solution ! Of course it's a way to solve this problem, but it will create other problems with other abuses ! Anyway, it's a positive point more for comments. As David Grosdemange said, only players should be able to chat before the game ended. I think I'll do it this way...


Henri Muller    (2006-05-19 11:33:45)
délai de reflexion

Il me semble qu'il existe un sérieux problème dans le système de décompte des jours de réflexion. Il suffit de jouer qques coups, et on dispose ainsi de plus de 40 jours de rélexion!!! Aberrant. N'y aurait-t-il pas moyen de faire un double décompte, en obligeant le joueur à jouer AU MOINS UN COUP tous les 5 ou 6 jours ? Ainsi, un joueur a répondu aux DEUX premiers coups de la partie, et il dispose de 40 jours de réflexion !!?? Un tournoi, à cette allure, si les deux joueurs s'y mettent, peut durer des ANNEES !!.... ce n'est certainement pas le but du concepteur !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-19 11:43:00)
re : Délai de réflexion

Bonjour Henri.

Ce sont là ni plus ni moins les règles des échecs par correspondance ! :) Une partie peut en effet durer un an dans certains cas, et c'est souvent le cas dans d'autres organisations. Force est de constater que les parties se déroulent ici beaucoup plus rapidement que dans d'autres organisations, mais il n'y a pas d'autres règles de temps raisonnables (ce n'est pas faute d'y avoir pensé). Tout le monde ne peut pas jouer aussi rapidement, il est quasi impossible de trouver une demi mesure entre les cadences classiques et les cadences par correspondance utilisant un incrément d'un jour par coup minimum...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-20 18:39:06)
Equality rule

Hello Daniel.

If the 2300 player scores 5.5 at this tournament, and the 1800 player scores 5, we can imagine the 2300 player makes a bad performance as well (possibly lower than the 1800 player), so the 1800 player should win ?

There's no perfect system, only conditions, but this rule prevents from 'accidents' and grants the rating that is the best players strength indicator. I think this is a way to ensure that the best players will reach the final stages. Because this is a world championship...


Dave Grobler    (2006-05-20 21:09:49)
team championship

Hello This is my first post....so I apologise for any mistakes. A team tournament should be organised as soon as possible . It is an excellant way of building up friendships.I think at the moment we have too few members to start . But this site grows quickly ! Teams should start to form now !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-22 07:35:15)
Checkmate / Stalemate...

Hello Mircea.

Please read the F.A.Q. in Help :
http://www.ficgs.com/help.html

You may read this discussion too :
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Pablo Schmid    (2006-05-22 22:49:47)
Wiki

The Wiki is a very good idea, but I think it would have more success and it would be great if there was not a problem with transpositions. Is it possible to fix that soon?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-23 09:27:49)
Transpositions

Hello Pablo.

I fixed that. Auto-analyzing would take too much time processing, but it now works in another way : Just tell me (please send email) if you find a line transposing to another, and I'll make the change. As it's difficult to cancel a forwarding, only moderators could do such a change.


Henri Muller    (2006-05-23 09:43:09)
Time reflexion !!

Je rejoins en partie la note de Wayne Lowrance. Il y a quelque chose d'incorrect dans le décompte du temps de réflexion. Il suffit de jouer les 10 premiers coups très rapidement, et on dispose ensuite de 60 jours de réflexion !!! Ainsi, un joueur, sur le point d'être maté, peut attendre DEUX mois avant de répondre !? Et certaines parties traînent ainsi lamentablement....par manque de fair-play de l'adversaire. Aberrant ! Pourquoi pas limiter une réponse à 5 ou 7 jours de réflexion MAXIMUM - tout en conservant le décompte habituel. Il FAUT donc répondre endéans les 5 ou 7 jours ( ou perdre la partie ). Cette pratique est courante partout !!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-23 10:26:09)
Time reflexion

Ce n'est pas aussi simple. Les sites employant des règles de temps aussi dures (10 jours par coup ou moins) s'exposent à d'autres problèmes, et à de nombreuses parties gâchées... Le temps d'attente est inévitable par correspondance. La limitation du cumul du temps limitera les abus, mais les joueurs ont de toutes façons le choix de jouer des tournois rapides uniquement !

Je pense que le site est bien équilibré sur la question du temps désormais. J'ai une certaine expérience du jeu par correspondance et des problèmes posés par les cadences, et je suis convaincu que la formule actuelle conviendra au plus grand nombre. N'oublions pas que nombre de joueurs ne peuvent pas jouer aussi rapidement !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-23 23:02:54)
Votes

Hello Ryaad.

Other players still can vote for your games. I think "auto-vote" ability is necessary because who knows better than the players themselves if their games are interesting or not ? If a player vote for a boring game, the other players won't, that's all. What happened last month with game 156 illustrated that quite well.


Per Lea    (2006-05-24 10:14:43)
Elo list no longer searchable by country

The idea to have flags in the rating list looked like a nice feature at first, but the disadvantage is that it is no longer possible to do a quick serach for players from a specific country. For example, it is interesting to find out if there are any new memebers from your own country. So, instead of letting the computer search for "NOR", I now have to manually read through the complete list. A good alternative would be to let the members sort the rating list by country and name (as on Chessfriend.com)


Xavier Pichelin    (2006-05-25 21:56:00)
delai de reflexion

J'ai lu quelque commentaire en francais sur les durée des parties. Je trouve que obliger de jouer tous les 6 ou 7 jours est pas judicieux. Car il suffit qu'on parte en déplacement la semaine au niveau professionnel ca m'arrive fréquement donc on arrive au week-end et on doit répondre une vintaine de parties voire plus car on joue aussi a ICCF et autres en un week end sous peine de perdre?? Mois ça m'est arrivé de jouer un coup en 15 jours afin de réguler les autres parties et le temps d'analyser ses parties en cours. Non je trouve que c'est utile de jouer vite les débuts afin d'augmenter considérablement le temps de reflexion afin de ne pas blitzer pour jouer correctement. Aussi il est vrai que certain joueurs non fair-play sur une partie archie perdue vous fait attendre avant d'abandonner ou simplement perdre au temps!. C'est valable aussi dans les autre instances ou certain joue 1 coup tous les 39 jours pour faire durer le plaisir!!! Amicalement Xavier.


Phil Cook    (2006-05-25 12:20:49)
refreshed page

I think there is a small bug in the system,I only refreshed my page,now I see I've posted three times,same subject.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-26 11:04:11)
Go (weiqi) world championship

Hello to all.

I've updated the rules for go world championship and go tournaments. Now the results in go tournaments qualify for the wch first stage round-robin tournament. See the rules.

It's more logical, as there's no rating system here for Go, and I think more people will play soon...

Have good games !


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-26 19:16:37)
transpositions ...

i think manual modifications aren't really efficient to correct the bug of transpositions .... and for instance , in the transposition f4 e5 e4 to e4 e5 f4 , the move 2)e4 can't be annoted , and will receive the annotation of 2)f4 . and another problem , when i search games on a position , for instance on e4 c5 d4 , i can't find my game who begins with d4 c5 e4 ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-26 21:19:33)
transpositions...

Hello David. Thanks for your feedback !

That's a big deal. Actually I have a solution to automate transpositions management. But it could bring other problems... In example, a secondary (or totally wrong) line should always transpose to the main line..

Your example (f4 e5 e4) is true, so we should give our opinion about the position (and future moves), not the last move...

About the search function, you're right again, but this point is even more complex ! I'll think about it later, I must care about time processing. Anyway, you can use Chessbase or Chess Assistant to find games sorted by position. So, by now, the search function works for openings, not positions.


Ryaad Aabid    (2006-05-26 22:46:10)
Go Tournament (forfeit)

I have applied to this tournament without reading its rule,that I unfortunately have no idea.I am an old player :-) Therefor I should say SORRY to all players in this tournament - not my interest ! I thought it is some chess tournament with different system ! Please remove my name if it is possible , otherwise I should resign all my games in this tournament. Kind regards Ryaad Aabid


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-28 01:06:10)
Other quotes by famous chess players

"I really believe that Go is destined to take the place of Chess as the leading intellectual game of the Occident, just as it has reigned supreme in the Orient for some four thousand years."
- Edward Lasker, Go and Go-Moku, c. 1934

"While the Baroque rules of chess could only have been created by humans, the rules of go are so elegant, organic, and rigorously logical that if intelligent life forms exist elsewhere in the universe, they almost certainly play go."
- Edward Lasker, international chess master

"You don't have to be really good anymore to get good results. What's happening with Chess is that it's gradually losing its place as the par excellence of intellectual activity. Smart people in search of a challenging board game might try a game called Go."
- Hans Berliner, The New York Times, Feb 6, 2003


"... {it is} something unearthly ... If there are sentient beings on other planets, then they play Go."
- Emanuel Lasker, chess world champion


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-28 15:06:54)
go 9*9 ?

is it possible to organize some 9*9 go tournaments ? games in 19*19 are sometimes very long ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-28 15:40:14)
go 9*9

Hello David.

I didn't implement 9x9 goban firstly because I didn't have a Java viewer for this size... Then, I thought it was a good thing not to propose other sizes, 19x19 is "real go", most interesting and challenging games ! 9*9 is only tactical training... Actually my games here are the very first I play on a 19x19 goban. I use to play 9x9 with friends, on a chessboard :-)

We could offer different times, goban sizes, handicaps etc... but I think this is not the way FICGS goes : Purity of games and competition. 19x19 go games are long, but we have time... Not a bad thing to cut idleness (particularly mine :))


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-28 16:53:39)
real ?

on this server we don't play only "real chess" , so why play only "real go" ? if a lot players wan't to play this "go variant" , why not to organize 9*9 go tournament ? (we must see if other players want to play 9*9 go)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-28 17:17:21)
Chess & go variants.

Ok David... But Chess 960 isn't chess 'training', as Go 9x9 could be. I think unrated chess tournaments wouldn't have much success.

Let's see if other players want to play go 9x9 ... I think the point is about rating and championship. As there is no rating system and only a title for 19x19, players couldn't be attracted by go 9x9 if there isn't the same challenge. I changed the rules in this way, now more players will play continuously Go tournaments and compete to have a chance to play the Go world championship tournament.


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-28 22:08:48)
challenge ?

if trying to become the ficgs go world champion is a challenge , playing go can be a challenge for chess players who discover go . and beginning with 19*19 is a little hard ...


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-28 22:55:15)
more annotations

yet , there are only 3 possible annotations : ! , , ? . it would be more interesting if we can annote a game with !? or ?! . or if we can annote a position with for example +- , +/- , += , = , =+ , -/+ , -+ . another problem , Nxf7 can be written Nf7 , and these moves create two different articles , whereas they are the same . (see e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxf7)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-29 01:00:30)
annotations

I think too much annotations would give quickly something incoherent... Some players would use it, others no... Most important is commentaries.

About this problem (Qf6 = Qxf6), it is fixed now.


Trent Parker    (2006-05-29 03:03:51)
Sorting your own games

Hello Thibault!

I know that you are working hard on this site already. But could i suggest that a sort function be implemented so that a player could sort their games according to how much time they have on the clock?

Most of my games are long standard games, however i am playing in one rapid play game which, when sorted by game number are quite a long way down the page. On days where i dont have much time to make moves i would prefer to make moves on my rapid games rather than my long games. This is where that sort function would become handy

Once again thanking you for this great chess server.


Trent Parker


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-05-29 13:14:29)
Remaining time on page "My Games"

Dear Thibault

the same problem - another suggestion. My preferred page is "My games". Is it possible to add the remaining time of both players (or at least of the player to move)?

Heinz-Georg


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-29 13:32:45)
Remaining time

Hello Heinz-Georg !

'My games' is only a short overview of all your running games (as Per suggested), useful when you have a lot of games. Adding clocks would be too much space consuming.

My preferred page is definitely 'My messages'... Using both should be efficient enough.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-05-29 13:51:27)
Remaining time

Hello Thibault!

What a pity! Everything I would like is a short overview of my running games - with the remaining time(s). I don't need the start date of the tournament at this page. You can delete it to get more space. My messages doesn't contain further information which I need.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-29 15:22:37)
Remaining time : added !

Thanks for boosting me ;) Is it better now ?


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-05-29 16:40:45)
Remaining time : added !

Now it's great. Thanks for the fast change!


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-30 00:28:03)
particularities of big chess ^^

we must take care about the possible endings ^^ for instance , knight+bishop can't win in big chess ^^ whereas 2 bishops (opposite coloured) still can win ^^ about a value , i think something like : pawn : 1 knight : 2,5 bishop : 4 rook : 6 queen : 11


David Grosdemange    (2006-05-30 00:57:56)
like in normal chess ...

the value are in general ... they depend on the position , like in normal chess . but here , the "pair of bishop" has another dimension ^^


Trent Parker    (2006-05-30 01:50:25)
Quoting Thibault..... My response

Feel free to tell me how you imagine this team championship ? How many players by team ?

I think only 4 per team would be needed. If there are big countries perhaps they could have multiple teams eg. France A, France B etc etc. Four seems to be the best number. It is used in the OTB Olympiad.

Should the teams have a leader (would designate players, or selected by elo ?) ?

IMHO ELO would be best.

Knockout or round-robin cycle ?

I'd prefer round robin. (although i might not have a team yet :D )


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-30 13:23:44)
1st SM chess tournament, elo 2443

The first FICGS CHESS SM tournament just started !

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_SM__000001.html

3 ICCF titled players, 1 FIDE GM, 1 IECG titled player, and 2 'newbies'.. :)

FEM norm : 3 points, FIM norm : 3.5 points, FSM norm : 4 points, FGM norm : 4.5 points...

Have good games !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-31 11:36:44)
Hall of fame

Hello Wayne. That's true... I was thinking about that but no quite good idea yet. We could list all tournament winners at the bottom of 'Hall of fame' page.

It would be difficult to apply a 'ticket' system so that tournament winners can entry a higher class tournament. (and there's no obligation to copy other organizations rules...)

Anyway, finished tournaments will be announced regularly.

If you have another idea...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-05-31 20:01:30)
Weiqi komi

Hello and welcome Lionel :)

That's a very... good question !

Actually I thought it was the more 'organic' (like this game) way. But it seems to be a large debate, without a clear response.

I suggest all go players to read this article : http://senseis.xmp.net/?Komi

Feel free to give me your opinion about that. Thanks in advance.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 03:06:05)
Website url

Hello Wayne.

No problem, but take care with your website url while posting, you just sent a wrong link to both forums here & on http://www.talkchess.com ;)

I corrected the Url in your post.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 04:10:56)
Komi, pass, area scoring, ko, seki....

Ok... I'll bring answers and modifications to the rules for all points that remain blurred, today and tomorrow !

The counting method will be Area Scoring (chinese scoring) : When alternate play has ended, each player's score is the number of his stones on the board plus the number of empty intersections surrounded only by his stones.

Now I have a question from a beginner (me) : Is it possible, even with a non entire number komi (ie. 0.5 or 5.5), to have a draw situation ? In other words, what happens if a game can't finish because in example ko rule can't apply ?!

Thanks a lot for your help.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-01 12:46:14)
Go rules

Hello,

Even if a well chosen komi rules out scoring draws, you still have the problem of infinite repetition.
Traditionally, a game in which a triple ko or other infinitely repeating position arises is annulled, or treated as draw or replayed.
Some rules (New Zealnd, USA, SST) deal with these positions by stating that a player cannot make exactly the same position on the whole board twice. (Note that it is then not always easy without computer assistance to determine the legality of a move).
The chinese rule (at least the 1988 official one) also forbids reappearance of the same board position, but in some situation this is not enough to prevent a draw: in some cases neither player want to start a sequence and keep passing to avoid solving a situation at their disadvantage. (and to forbid passes triggers others worse problems...).

As you see, the situation is quite complex, and while rules of Go seem simple, their precise definition is not easy. In practice, you eventually have to rely on the sportmanship of the players or on a referee decision.

Personally I have played till now only under the japanese rule, and in case of problems (very rare as this rule is quite detailled, but then rather complex in its exceptions handling), a senior player says the truth, and, at least in Japan, this truth is undisputed and becomes the laws :-)... quite simple!

Lionel


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 13:22:24)
Infinite repetition

Couldn't the problem of infinite repetition be solved by giving the full point to White (the 2nd player, not like chess) ? It could be a compensation added to komi, as it can force black to give such stones that provoke repetition !?

But can White force easily such a situation with many stones....... ?


Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-01 15:02:56)
Infinite repetition

Well, it might work, but that seems unfair to black IMO, because it creates discrepancies in the rules depending on you being sente or gote.
Admitedly, the komi can be seen as such discrepancy, but all it does is forcing sente to be bit more aggresive, the stategy and tactics, the feeling of the game being globally the same. What you propose would induce a kind of strategic play on the rules... not really Go anymore!
I realise I may not be clear: as an extreme example of rules discrepanies, just consider Renju. Here the rules are different for sente and gote and the strategy is indeed really different for both! While this is fine in Renju, because actually it became the heart of the game, I do not think Go needs it.
Besides, it would spoil somehow IMO the aesthetic feeling of the game flow.
Just my opinions of course :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 15:14:43)
FICGS rules

The Membership (& rules) page link is reachable when your are not connected. (so, from the home page)

Or you can find the link in Help section.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 15:37:17)
FICGS rules

No problem, the website may be quite unclear in some places. Anyway I have to improve many parts of it.

(FICGS, Lionel... FICGS :))


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 15:47:28)
Replacement

I did not forget you, Ryaad. (time sometimes misses, sorry to your opponents..)

Does anyone would accept to replace Ryaad in the first Go tournament that started a few days ago ? Thanks in advance.

Reminder : If players wish to qualify for the FICGS Go championship, they must be among the 11 players who obtained the best results in Go tournaments (see rules).

I think 2 (maybe 3 if the number of players increase quickly) victories in tournaments should assure a place in the WCH tournament.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-01 15:56:41)
Replacement

I will be glad to play in that tournament: first time I will not play go face to face... I forsee an nice new experience!

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-01 16:29:31)
Replacement done

Ok Lionel, thanks :)

The replacement is done, Ryaad.


Michael Aigner    (2006-06-01 20:48:46)
FICGS reminder

I have a lot of time left in all off my games and got the following reminser mail.

Did anyone get the same strange mail?

This is a reminder.

You did not connect to FICGS for 13275 days. You may have running games that will be lost on time. If you don't want to receive any reminder, you can turn off the notification options in preferences. There will be no more than 3 consecutive reminders. This email was generated automatically by http://www.ficgs.com/


Michael Aigner    (2006-06-01 20:48:58)
FICGS reminder

(repetition)


Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-01 22:17:30)
Go rules

I don't quite understand what kind of problems with draws remains with FICGS (sic!) rules: as passing is not allowed, if you add the non repetition of the same whole board position and a non integer komi, I do not see how a draw is still possible.

BUT... this solution does actually not solve anything as I don't think you can forbid passing (as a matter of fact, I checked the official japanese, chinese, new-zealand, AGA (USA) and SST rules: pass is allowed and needed)
The main reason is, IMO, that you need a legal way to end the game (double pass). And yes there are situations where the best move for BOTH players is NOT to move at all in the area: the simplest case I can think of is thousand-year kos, which in the case of japanese rule usually end in seki.
Note that a single pass (that is the game goes on after it) can change the difference in scores in area mode: the AGA rule introduces the concept of pass stone to compensate and insists on white making the last move (if necessary with an additional pass and pass stone) to ensure that the total number of stones played by the two players are equal!
(BTW this is one of the reasons, admitedly far behind familiarity, why I prefer the japanese rule in face to face go)

To sum things up (!!), while I agree that FICGS could develop its own set of rules, I feel that the subject is too complex and error-prone, and has been long, and still is, disputed by highly competent authorities : why not use the result of their work?
I would add that the point of all this is rather moot if you consider that situation like triple ko and alii are indeed rather rare: why not stricly stick to, say, the official chinese rule, and replay the game by referee decision in the rare cases where neither playing side will yield?

oh, but I could also check what they do in the kiseido server ?!?
oh, and do take what I say with great caution: I don't feel and I am certainly not competent enough on the subject! Any other advice over there? :-)


Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-01 22:21:52)
Bug?

It seems that the postings are sometimes not in chronological order ? (see the last two posts)



Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-02 16:28:11)
Go rules

It's me again :-)

What is the point of the special cases you chose? Why not simply follow the chinese rule? I reread it yesterday and compared to what you say:
- reappearance of the same board position is forbidden (note that should be easy to check by computer with hash keys associated to positions)
- Seki is not really a special case in chinese rule (it is only in territory scoring): you count stones and enclosed vacant points; others vacant points are share equally.
- Winner is determined by comparing one's score to 180 1/2 (half number of points of the board). - Komi: 2 3/4 points are deducted from black's score and added to white's. - After both sides have agreed to end the game (that is after a double pass), if any unsettled positions remain on the board, both sides' stones are treated as alive (that is neat and solve most drawing problems) - Basically a player that makes an illegal move loses his turn (i.e. in effect passes): that includes repeating the same position (why should white win in such a case?).

That sounds much cleaner IMO.
The only possible draw may be some very complex round robin kos, where the position keeps changing, but I guess we can forget it (and it should eventually been resoved by double pass anyway, even if one side is unhappy: see the preceding neat point).
BTW you can probably find the full text on the Web (I have only a paper version from the 1988 official rules of Chinese Weiqi Association).


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-02 17:48:34)
Go rules

Hello Lionel. I just read the 1988 version of the official rules of the Chinese Weiqi Association.

The point here is to play with the most interesting & fair rules, not 'official' ones or others if it could be improved...

Note that FICGS chess rules have a peculiarity : 50 moves rules isn't applied if the mate can be forced. FICGS chess world championship rules are not (of course) the rules used by FIDE. I spent much time thinking about rules which are IMO the best thing in this server and I think most players will appreciate these points.

I think avoiding draws in Go is interesting because energy consuming could be too different in some games and lead to unfair situations in tournaments.

Hash keys don't solve all problems, 'superko' situations could remain as draw, furthermore these special rules could avoid any ambiguity. It is clear, it brokes 'symmetry' and I feel it is fair enough.

Then, rules exist to be enforced ! :) .. More seriously, I'm not convinced these new rules don't make sense, even if it needs adjustments. Still inquiring, but unless I find (or you convince me :)) a solid argument in another way, I think I'll apply them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-02 20:39:25)
FICGS : Chinese rules !

You convinced me :)

(sorry, I didn't understand well some concepts before)

Good news : I have implemented the non-repetition rules with hash keys...

Now the rules are exactly CHINESE RULES with a 6.5 komi, which is the value which tends to be used in tournaments.

Thank you Lionel :-)


Karlheinz Weber    (2006-06-02 22:41:15)
copy games to ChessBase

For me it´s still a very big problem that it´s impossible to copy a game to ChessBase. As far as I can see this is the only server without this possibility. K.Weber


Lionel Vidal    (2006-06-03 09:50:52)
Chinese rules

After reading the new rules (nice :-)), I have two suggestions:
- maybe you should cleary state that repetition of position leads to a loss (or does it? it is the way I understand the wording, but either way is possible), which is not the case in chinese rules (AFAIK at least in some versions, you just loose your turn).
- maybe you should announce somewhere (not in the rules of course) whether the already running games have to follow the new rules. Knowing the applied komi is important, even in fuseki.

Now let's try them :-)


Pablo Schmid    (2006-06-04 15:30:51)
To De Vassal

Hello De Vassal, when I see my game against Höppenstein n°570, it tells that his move 18.. was illegal, but it wasn't and we continued to play. And each time I see the same problem.. Can you fix it please?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-05 14:11:42)
Rules : Forfeiting / Replacement

Hello to all.

As a few players stopped to play (forfeit) in their games, I answer here to questions from their opponents.

- Rated games lost on time / forfeited are not calculated for the winner's (only) rating if less than 10 moves have been played and position is equal.

- If a player forfeits in a rated tournament without having played a single move, his games will be lost and he will be replaced, ie. FICGS CHESS CLASS B 000003 ... furthermore, his account will be closed. (obvious cheating)

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-06 16:40:04)
Team championship

Many good ideas... :)

I'll post a news soon, inviting players who want to lead their country team to give me an email where they can be contacted by players.

So far, the rules :

- The leader of each team should be from the country he's playing for.
- If several players ask to lead the same team, the current chess rating will decide.
- Leaders will choose candidate players for his team and the "board" (1, 2, 3 or 4) they will play.
- Players from any country can play with another country team. (all players can play for only one team)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-06 17:39:44)
7.5 komi + Superko

Hello to all.

In accordance with Chinese rules, the last update of the FICGS rules of Go states a 7.5 komi (3.75 by chinese counting)

http://www.britgo.org/rules/compare.html#threeKK

The last ambiguity may concern the superko rule, as now FICGS graphical interface forbids any board repetition (not only previous move). See this page on BRITGO site, at the very bottom : Positional superko (PSK) means a play may not recreate a previous board position from the game, referring to the position just after the play and consequent removals.

However, forbidding any board repetition is the only way to prevent draw games.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-06-06 23:16:56)
No national teams here !

I left my own national federation and the whole ICCF system partly because I find those national teams championships at most boring and uninteresting and at worst reminiscent of some of the worst 20th century nationalistic concepts.
Why should we have national teams here ???

... to confirm that France is larger than Feroe islands and smaller than China ?

This is pretty ridiculous IMHO.

I can't see anything interesting in this idea.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-07 00:38:57)
Go / Chess

Hello Tommie.

I chose not to implement a Go rating system for several reasons, first and main is: a quite true correspondence Go rating may be very (!) long to achieve, maybe even impossible. It seems to me that the challenge could be elsewhere ie. tournament results, to qualify for the FICGS championship tournament.

About the rating list, so far all new players appear in a unique rating list, soon there will be an established rating list, a provisional rating list and a new player rating list.

About this rating for Ion (2600), where did you see it exactly ?

... at last what happens with the Go applet ? You have to click on 'game description'. If it doesn't work, feel free to tell me what game you try to watch and what happens... Thanks in advance :)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-06-07 06:59:09)
Interesting Debate!

Hi, everyone It's quite an interesting debate......regarding whether to name teams after countries or not. Marc, for players like you and I, perhaps we could find some sorta compromise if the team rules allow it. As Thibault says, the problem is that even though our (small)countries hardly have any players interested in correspondence chess to form national teams, playing under another national/country banner is kinda a unique situation (IF allowed). It all depends on whether future FICGS team championship rules might allow it or not. Any creative ideas/suggestions left to make?!


Trent Parker    (2006-06-09 06:30:40)
Countries? regions? Association

Perhaps teams could be built on regions, for eg Australia is a part of Oceania or could even come under south east asia, or sri lanka could come under the indian subcontinent or something like that. I think the teams should be geographical at least. Or a part of an association. Eg from memory the International blind chess federation has / had a team in OTB olympiads.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-06-09 09:21:54)
I cannot understand ...

To Trent Parker :
you say :
"I think the teams should be geographical at least"

This is really something that I cannot even understand.
In which way is my way of playing correspondence chess related to the place where I live or where I am born???
Is my kind of play "belgian" ?
Or is it "brown-haired", or "butter-cooked", or ...
Why shouldn't I be allowed to find a few friends from all over the world that play the same kind of unusual openings than myself to build a team ?
IMHO this kind of team could well have a better signification than a one made of chess players of the same country or of the same geographical region.

Anyway the idea itself of "correspondence chess teams" is completely strange for me. Does it mean that collaboration between members for the choice of the moves is allowed ?
This is at the exact opposite of what I feel to be the minimum requirement for a meaningful correspondence chess competition to survive : anything allowed (books, computers, databases) except human advice, and at least one single human name alone identified as the single "author" of the moves ...

So, why teams at all...

Marc


Julien Baudement    (2006-06-09 10:03:24)
Nouvelles fonctionnalités

Avant tout, Bravo pour le site sur lequel je prend beaucoup de plaisir. J'aimerais soumettre des modifications à apporter qui pourraient encore améliorer: 1) possibilité de contacter directement le webmestre... 2) possibilité de proposer une partie à un joueur quelconque sans passer par le mode tournoi. En effet, on est tenu de jouer toutes les parties dans ce système, mais peut etre que certains préfèreraient pouvoir n'en jouer qu'une à la fois ! En tout cas, encore bravo pour tout ce travail ! Ikki


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-09 14:34:14)
Email webmaster, 2 players matches

Bonjour Julien, merci :)

My email is displayed (just replace the symbol by @) on the 'About' page.

As I explained in another (old) thread, priorities are to reduce the delay for tournaments to start and to make it as simple as possible. As this server offers all games live, I think it to be 'competition oriented' is the best choice. It would be easy to offer many sorts of tournaments, rated/unrated, different time controls, quad/round-robin/ko etc... but it would loose his interest.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-10 10:52:11)
Team championship

Très exactement 3... (en me comptant :)) C'était prématuré de toutes manières, et il faudrait que je réfléchisse à une autre approche. Cela dit, je ne suis effectivement pas certain de la nécessité d'une telle compétition, les échecs par correspondance s'y prêtant sans doute moins. A suivre...


Sebastien Marez    (2006-06-10 11:53:40)
Team Championship

Je pense que le jeu par correspondance peut admettre un championnat par équipe, mais pas un championnat avec des équipes par pays, mais des equipes composées par les joueurs eux meme.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-13 18:28:54)
FICGS chess world championship 1 & 2

Hello to all.

FICGS chess world championship deadline (2006 june 15) is 2 days far from now ! Here is the scheme, allowing all players who registered to start playing at the same time, without loosing the opportunity for new players to register at a later date :

As 2300+ players will enter the cycle at stage 2, the idea is to start 1st (from stage 2) and 2nd (from stage 1) world championship at the same time. Thus, all tournaments will begin at the fixed date for all players who already registered, then a new deadline will be fixed (probably in august/september), and all players registering late for chess wch would begin a tournament each time there's enough new players in the waiting list, with the condition that the ELO average of these new tournaments be equal or superior (as few as possible) to the tournaments that began on June 15.

And good luck to all... :)


David Grosdemange    (2006-06-13 21:24:48)
....

ça ne fait que retarder le problème ! ceux qui font le premier tour , quand ils seront qualifiés pour le second , ils feront le second , mais pendant ce temps la , que feront ceux qui ont déjà fait le second tour ????


David Grosdemange    (2006-06-13 21:58:25)
..

so players who aren't 2300 rated can't play the real first ficgs_wch ?


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-06-14 12:08:12)
FICGS 1st chess world championship

Hello Thibault

I don't like your rules. I think it would have been better if all players start in the 1st wch (this time and in future cycles). It would be more attractive for the most players. What do you think is the rating average of the 1st stage groups?
I cannot remember that the 2300-restriction was in the rules when I have registered ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-14 13:15:33)
FICGS 1st chess world championship

Hello Heinz-Georg !

It's only a logical extension to the rule that divide the championship in a round-robin and a knockout (for the 8 best rated players) tournament. Of course, there's no rule that fit to everyone, only choices... I hope to make the most balanced ones for the whole site.

By this rule, high rated players have a stage less to play (that they would probably win) and it limits the rating gaps (otherwise it would be more like a cup). In most wch competitions, winners and high rated players/teams are qualified for an advanced stage in the tournament.. A quite common and logical system, used everywhere from football world cup [winner qualified for quarter final] to Roland-Garros [qualifications stage], FIDE world championship etc... 2300 rule is a statistical choice, used in IECG too with more parameters. (nevertheless at IECG high rated players can choose to play the first stage too, but IMO it's quite complicate)

I hope to make it as simple and attractive as possible, believe me ;) Of course (and it is mentioned in the rules- preliminaries) rules could still evolve if improvements are decided by the [future] council.

The only negative point is, indeed, only 2300+ players can play the 1st wch, that is in a way not a "complete" championship. But compared to all other positive points (first, everyone can play now), and as 2nd wch starts at the same time, I think this choice is best.

What I think to do is to send all tournament tables to players who registered on 2006 june 16. If finally there are players who don't want to play it, they'll just have to tell me within days, responding by email. It should avoid any forfeit.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-06-14 14:40:34)
FICGS 1st chess world championship

Hello Thibault!

Thank you for your answer.

Two points:

It isn't sure at all that a player with a rating > 2400 will win his group if he had to play a 1st stage group. The CFC-Ch 2003 has shown, that less than 50 percent of the best rating players (even players with rating > 2600) have won their qualification groups.

In the moment we have about 100 players with a rating < 2300 who have registered themselves for the wch. Their rating avarage is about 1720 (!). Is that right? This means (if I understand your rules) the wch groups of the 1st stage will have this rating (+ or - some points). In these groups for a 2200 player it is nearly impossible (even as winner of a group) to get a tournament performance > 2050 (I suspect that this is the reason that players with rating > 2300 not have to play this stage). After the first stage the distance to 2300 will be greater than before.

I have registered myself and I will play. But I'm not really satisfied with that situation.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-14 15:02:11)
Statistics, ELO and performances

For sure, there could be a great work to do with statistics to improve little by little the rules, then we have to find the balance between easy-to-run (and understanding) rules and best ones, but I'm not sure we could improve significantly more, I'll explain why just below. Anyway that's good discussion ! :)

About performance, that's not quite true a 2200 player couldn't perform more than 2050 in stage 1. The rating system do not take account of wins when the ELO difference is superior to 350 points ! So if a 2200 player win all his games with only 2 games (ie. against 2 players rated 1900) calculated, his performance is more than 2400. Now if a 2500 player play stage 1, probably all his games won't be rated at all... Not very interesting :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-14 19:21:53)
Elo rating calculation

I just updated the membership page, with the full rating calculation explained.

It is exactly the rules used by the french federation, except the special rule that makes it easier to win than to loose points (and partly provokes Elo inflation). So only one formula is used here.


Daniel De Noose    (2006-06-15 15:17:03)
Not very satisfy too...

Like Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff, when I registered the tournament it was announced as 1st championship and open to everyone. I don't like when rules change after the registration. Secundo, if you only reserve this 1st tournament to players with rating over 2300, you can change my rating : on the "correspondence" chess site chess-mail I'm over 2370. But as I said to you when I began here I want to improve my real rating beginning like an unrated. But if now the rating is so important to play the 1st championship, I prefer to be correctly rated. Hoping you'll change all this and play really the 1st championship with everybody.

My actual rating in "correspondence chess" :

- chess-mail : kasapov (2370)
- echecsemail : danideno (2280)
- echecsnet : danideno (2271; but it is the highest rating of this site)

Daniel


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-06-14 15:32:51)
Rating formula

Hello Thibault!

Where can I found the exact rating rules of FICGS? I have found only these lines in the Memberships - Terms and Conditions:

"11. 7. Rating rules

The FICGS rating scheme is a numerical scheme, in which percentage results can be exchanged into rating differences, and rating differences into percentage performance probabilities. It is mainly based on the principles of rating calculations of prof. Arpad Elo.

The rating formula : New Elo = ((16 x Elo) + (Games x Perf)) / (16 + Games) ..."

What means "mainly based"?

You write in another topic

"1. The rating system do not take account of wins when the ELO difference is superior to 350 points "

Is this valid only for wins or for all games with a rating difference of more than 350 points?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-15 16:36:17)
Criteria

Hello Dorel and Daniel.

As you noticed, rating is quite important in FICGS world championship cycle (particularly established ratings, obtained from IECG / ICCF or after 9 games finished in FICGS) !

I think these rules are really the best choice in order to designate a world champion. It's more logical IMO to favour players who obtained previously the best results in FICGS and recognized organizations, and consequently a high rating. It takes time, of course. Even very strong players starting with a 1700 rating won't achieve a 2300 established rating before months !

Criterias in FICGS wch are (from most important to least) :

1) Winner of the previous cycle (qualify for the final match)
2) The eight best established ratings (play the KO tournament)
3) Points obtained in the wch tournaments
4) The tournament entry rating (TER)


Of course, there are some provisional ratings that will increase a lot, but it is not possible to grant a 2300 rating to any player saying so. It's already a lot of time gained that ratings from FIDE, ICCF, IECG be recognized.

Finally it is the same in IECG / ICCF : it's very hard to achieve a high rating, it's very hard to directly qualify for a 2nd stage too, it takes months, probably years in email chess...

Now, please consider this, if we start 1st wch at stage 1 : It won't change anything for your play, as the 1st stage of the 2nd wch is exactly the same... 2300+ players won't play before months... and if the rule is changed about 2300 mark and everyone playing 1st stage, probably all games for 2300+ players won't be rated with a 100% result... and at last it will be harder for you to qualify for 2nd stage...

It is a hard work to write rules as fair, balanced and interesting as possible. Rules can't satisfy everyone, sorry about that.


David Grosdemange    (2006-06-16 08:44:57)
grrrrrrrr

au départ le championnat devait démarrer le 15 avec certaines règles , et au final il démarre plus tard avec d'autres règles ........


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-16 13:21:09)
:-)

Ce (léger ?!) retard en vaut vraiment la peine, je pense. Mieux vaut un système optimisé dès le départ que de le changer au fur et à mesure.

... il y avait de toutes façons de multiples bonnes raisons pour attendre encore un peu, l'essentiel est d'avoir pu en discuter (tout le monde n'ayant pas forcément fait attention aux changements successifs et nécessaires qui ont eu lieu dans les règles ce mois ci).


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-06-16 13:55:54)
Statistics, ELO and performances

Hello Thibault!

"About performance, that's not quite true a 2200 player couldn't perform more than 2050 in stage"

Maybe you are right, if most of the players have an established rating. But you can see at the rating list that more than 50 percent of our ratings are provisional - most of them with 1700. The question is how many of these players are good or very good (like Daniel)?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-16 14:13:29)
Statistics, ELO and performances

Time and ratings will answer to that... It takes a few months for ratings to find themselves ! The same in FIDE and wher'ever...

Next rating list will be calculated on july 1st. :-)


Pablo Schmid    (2006-06-16 18:53:39)
...

Tournoi reporté au 1er soit disant pour que tout soit optimisé. Mais pourquoi avoir attendu le dernier moment pour commencer à modifier les règles? Surtout que les modifications ne font pas l'unanimité et qu'en général ça se fait pas de changer les règles en cours de route et cela sans vraiment avoir demandé l'avis des inscrits.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-16 19:24:41)
Retard et explications

Bonjour Pablo.

La règle de la qualification au 2ème tour des joueurs 2300+ ne date pas d'hier, et j'avais annoncé une mise à jour des règles. Les discussions n'arrivant souvent également qu'au dernier moment, je dirais seulement : Mieux vaut tard que jamais :)

.. mieux vaut changer des règles non-optimisées avant le début des tournois qu'entre deux cycles... Je le répète, les règles changeront tant qu'elles pourront être améliorées significativement (comme partout ailleurs). Il me faut un peu de temps pour adapter et trouver de nouvelles dénominations pour les tournois (notamment celui qui permettra aux joueurs classés 2300+ de jouer avant l'heure).

Le plus important reste que le championnat attire les joueurs ayant un classement élevé comme moins élevé. Dans les règles originales, de nombreux joueurs n'auraient pas pu jouer tout de suite. Un retard reste un retard, certes... Désolé pour cela, mais je pense que ça en vaut la peine.


Amir Bagheri    (2006-06-19 14:53:39)
1. d4

The move 1.d4 offers the same benefits to development and center control as does 1.e4, but unlike with the King Pawn openings where the e4 pawn is undefended after the first move, the d4 pawn is protected by White's queen. This slight difference has a tremendous effect on the opening. For instance, whereas the King's Gambit is rarely played today at the highest levels of chess, the Queen's Gambit remains a popular weapon at all levels of play. Also, compared with the King Pawn openings, transpositions between variations are more common and critical in the closed games. White develops aiming for a particular formation without great concern over how Black chooses to defend. Both these systems are popular with club players because they are easy to learn, but are rarely used by professionals because a well prepared opponent playing Black can equalize fairly easily.


Amir Bagheri    (2006-06-19 15:10:14)
thibault

je viens de recevoir un email de Nigel consentant a un match. je lui ai offert un match comportant 3 parties. je pense qu il sera d accord avec ce format. peux tu arranger ca? j'ai aussi repondu a ton email


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-06-19 15:45:34)
FICGS 1st wch

Hello Thibault!

It seems that I haven't really understood what will happen on July 1st. You write "Thus 1st wch is a complete cycle". Does this mean, that the knock-out tournaments of the 8 players with the highest established rating also will start (stage 1)? If not it is not a complete cycle according to FICGS (your) rules - in my opinion.

What happens if a player has a rating > 2300 at the beginning of stage 1 and a rating < 2300 at the beginning of stage 2? May he play stage 2?
What happens if a player has a rating < 2300 at the beginning of stage 1 and a rating > 2300 at the beginning of stage 2? May he play stage 2 even if he hasn't won his round robin group? The rating at which time is essential?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-19 18:42:16)
FICGS 1st world championship

Hello Heinz-Georg.

While watching the wch waiting list, I realized that there could be an improvement more about this "extra-group". So here is the 1st wch scheme (and next ones, without the special group in the first stage), according to the rules.

Stage 1 :

-- Knockout tournament --

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_2__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_3__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_4__000001

with John Anderson, Petr Makovsky, Daniel Cinca and 5 other players...

-- Round-robin tournaments --

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_2__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_3__000001
(...)

And at last, a special and one-time group :

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M__000001

This will be a high rated group, with GM Nigel Davies, GM Amir Bagheri and the ~10 players 2300+ who won't play the knockout tournament according to the rules. The winner of this group will directly qualify for stage 3 round-robin final tournament (a one-time rule). The others can play stage 2 as specified in the rules.

Thus, only the 1st wch will start on july 1st. I think it's fair enough and finally everyone can play...


Stage 2 :

-- Knockout tournament --

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_2__000001

-- Round-robin tournaments --

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_2__000001
(...)


Stage 3 :

-- Knockout tournament --

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_KNOCKOUT_FINAL__000001

-- Round-robin tournament --

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_ROUND_ROBIN_FINAL__000001


Stage 4 :

-- Candidates match --

FICGS__CHESS__CANDIDATES_FINAL__000001


Stage 5 :

-- Title match --

FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000001

... if there's a world champion and if he defends his title. Consequently we won't have a stage 5 this time, but as it could happen again in the future...

That's all folks !


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-06-20 16:48:35)
Re: "Revolver" movie......

Thibault, I saw the movie "Revolver' too. It was very interesting...... a kind of psychological thriller. If I remember correctly, the last few memorable words of the movie were: "To Pull Off The Greatest Con Of All"......where the casino empire boss is conned/fooled into shooting himself!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-20 17:17:19)
Re: "Revolver" movie...... cinema UFO !

Yes :) ... I saw it in french version... It was really IMO one of the biggest deceptions of the year... probably because I expected a lot, when seeing this fantastic trailer.

This film should have been one of the greatest chess (games in general) relative movies. There was all matters, and many interesting philosophical thoughts... maybe not supported enough by the movie. And I suspect director Guy Ritchie of having voluntarily suicided the movie during the shooting... Luc Besson or other reasons... How to explain such fantastic pictures, then such obvious faults all long. The screenplay surely was better than the result.

Finally, cinema press judged it as totally pretentious and it was a commercial failure. That's a pity, really.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-06-21 15:06:12)
Yahoo Mail problems today!?!

Has anyone else been experiencing Yahoo mail login problems today?! I can't access my Yahoo mail today for many hours now.


Amir Bagheri    (2006-06-22 15:47:42)
Interesting question for the Gambit's a

Gambits are the schizophrenics of the chess openings. Most players love to play through a finished game that starts as a gambit, but few players dare to play gambits themselves. Gambits lead to attacking games that avoid the calculated buildup preceding a classic attack. Can the gambiteer justify the material disadvantage? Can the opponent overcome the positional disadvantage that comes with grabbing the gambit sacrifice?


Amir Bagheri    (2006-06-23 12:25:36)
Blindfolded Chess

THE chess-world (for there is a "world" in chess as in other matters) has lately been startled by a very extraordinary performance at one of the "divans" of the metropolis. A young American has played ten games at once, against an equal number of players, without, on his part, obtaining a single glimpse at any one of the chess-boards. The feat is not new; but never before was it performed so triumphantly as in the present day. The writers who have ferreted out the early history of this beautiful game have found the name of one Tchelebi, who, nearly nine centuries ago, was able to play at chess without seeing the board. Many persons in the East acquired the art of playing by feeling instead of seeing pieces; but that is a very different affair, since in such a case the sense of touch comes in aid of the memory. In 1266, a Saragen, named Buzecca, came to Florence and at the Palazzo del Popolo played three games at once, looking at one board, but not at the other two. He won two of the games, and made a drawn or abandoned game of the other. As all his competitors were skilful players, his achievement caused irrepressible astonishment. At various times, in later centuries, this mode of play was exhibited by different persons--Ruy Lopez, the author of one of the earliest treatises on chess; Mangiolini of Florence, Zerone, Medrano, Leonardo da Cutri, Paolo Boi, Salvio, and others, many of whom were Spaniards. Boi is reputed to have played three games at once without seeing the board. Damiano, an Italian, who wrote a treatise on chess more than three centuries and a half ago, gave what he called the "Rules" for learning to play without seeing the board; but his rules are worth very little, amounting chiefly to a recommendation to cultivate the memory. Keysler, in his Account of Turin (1749), says: "The late Father Sacchieri, Lecturer on Mathematics at Pavia, was a remarkable instance of the strength of the human understanding, particularly that faculty of the soul we term memory. He could play at chess with three different persons at the same time, even without seeing any one of the three chess-boards. He required no more than that his substitute should tell him what piece his antagonist had moved, and Sacchieri could direct what step was to be taken on his side, holding, at the same time, conversation with the company present. If any dispute arose about the place where any piece should be, he could tell every move that had been made, not only by himself, but by his antagonist, from the beginning of the game, and in this manner incontestably decided the proper place of the piece. This uncommon dexterity at the game of chess appears to me almost the greatest instance that can be produced of a surprising memory." The most celebrated player of the last century, however, in this peculiar achievement, was the Frenchman Andre Danican, who then, and afterwards, was generally known by the name of Philidor. In 1743, when Philidor was about eighteen years old, M. de Legalle asked him whether he had ever tried to play from memory, without seeing the board. The youth replied, that as had calculated moves, and even whole games, at night in bed, he thought he could do it. He immediately played a game with the Abbe Chenard, which he won without seeing the board. After that, a little practice enabled him to play nearly as well in this as in the ordinary fashion--sometimes two games at once. The French Cyclopedie told of a particular game in which a false move was purposely made by his antagonist; Philidor discovered it after many moves, and replaced the pieces in their proper position. Forty years afterwards, he was residing in England, where he astonished English players by his blindfold achievements at a chess-club in St. James' Street. He played three games at once, with Count Bruhl, Mr. Bowdler, and Mr. Maseres, the first two of whom were reputed the best players at that time in England. Philidor won two of the games, and drew the third, all within two hours. On another occasion, in the same year (1788), he played three games at once, blindfold as before, and giving the odds of pawn and move to one of his antagonists; again did he win two of the games, and draw the third. His demeanor during these labors surprised his visitors as much as his skill, for he kept up a lively conversation during his games. Many eminent chess-players, including M'Donnell, La Bourdonnaye, Staunton, etc., have achieved these blindfold wonders, in greater or less degree, since the days of Philidor. M'Donnell, a famous player about thirty years ago, played his moves even more rapidly without than with the board; he did not object to any amount of conversation in the room during his play, but disliked whispers. La Bourdonnaye could play within a shade of his full strength without seeing the board; he won against good players, on some occasions two at a time; but when trying the threefold labor, his brain nearly gave way, and he wisely abandoned all such modes of playing his favorite game. Mr. Staunton, the leading English player at present (but who has almost ceased to play since he undertook the editing of an edition of Shakespeare), some years ago played many blindfold games with Harrwitz and Kieseritzky, foreign players of note.


Amir Bagheri    (2006-06-23 12:26:28)
Blinfolded chess ( part II )

Very recently, however, all the honors of Europe, in this department of indoor games, have been run away with by two young Americans, Morphy and Paulsen. Paul Morphy, a native of New Orleans, seemed to be born with chess in his blood; he played almost from childhood; and at thirteen years of age he proved a formidable antagonist to Herr Lowenthal, a noted Hungarian. In 1857, when just twenty years of age, Morphy encountered Paulsen, a native of Iowa, only a little older than himself, at a chess congress in New Orleans (Editor: It was New York!). All the gray-beards struck their flag to Paulsen, and then he struck to Morphy. Of Morphy's subsequent achievements in regular play, which stamp him as perhaps the first living chess-player (we say this with fear and trembling; however, for the knights of the game are a sensitive race), we will not speak here, for our purpose is only to notice the blindfold performances. At the chess congress above mentioned, he finely played a blindfold game with a leading German player. Early in 1858, he struck the New Orleanists with amazement by playing six games simultaneously, without seeing any other the boards; winning five of them, and exhibiting beautiful play throughout. He then came to Europe, not only to "lick the Britishers," but "all creation;" and it must be admitted that he made great progress towards that achievement. At a meeting of the Chess Association at Birmingham, in August 1858, he played eight games simultaneously, without sight of the boards. His opponents were Lord Lyttelton, and seven other persons, mostly presidents or secretaries of provincial chess clubs. Against such players, and under such tremendous conditions, he won no less than six games out of the eight, drawing a seventh, and losing the eighth. In the following month, he went over and astonished the Parisians in a similar way; he contended blindfold against eight practised players at once, at the Cafe de la Regence, a famous resort of chess-players; and out of these did not lose even one; he was the victor in six, and drew the other two. In the spring of 1859, Morphy contended against eight of the most experienced members of the London Chess Club, including Mr. Mongredien and Mr. Walker, two distinguished players. He won two games, and drew the other six--all the players except himself being wearied out by a very protracted sitting. A few days afterwards, he played with eight members of the St. George's Chess Club, including Lord Cremorne, Lord Arthur Hay, and Captain Kennedy; he won five, and the rest were drawn through want of time to finish them. Nevertheless, inconceivable as these mental labors are, Morphy yields to Paulsen in blindfold play. There are whispers of twelve or fifteen games having been tried simultaneously by the latter; but the number ten has been most certainly reached, under conditions of the utmost publicity. On the 7th of October in the present year, at a Divan in the Strand, ten players accepted Mr. Paulsen's challenge to grapple with them all simultaneously, the boards being placed out of his sight. One of the players was M. Sabouroff, secretary to the Russian Embassy in London; the other nine comprised many names well known among chess-players. Ten chess-boards were placed on ten tables in the room. An arm-chair, turned away towards a window, was mounted on a dais. At two o'clock in the afternoon, Mr. Paulsen, a quiet, courteous young man, with not a trace of "brag" in him, took his seat in this arm-chair. For twelve mortal hours he never rose, never ate, never smoked, and drank nothing but a little lemonade. What were his mental labors during that time, we shall see. His ten antagonists took their seats at the ten tables; and each table speedily became the centre of a group of spectators, whose comments were not always so silent as in fairness they ought to have been. Paulsen could not see any of the chess-boards. Herr Kling, a noted player and teacher of chess, acted as general manager. He called the boards by numbers--No. 1 to No. 10. Paulsen audibly announced his first move for board No. 1; Kling made that move; the antagonist replied to it; Kling audibly announced the reply; Paulsen considered what should be his second move, and when he had audibly announced his decision, Kling made the proper move on the board. Here No. 1 rested for awhile. No. 2 now made his move, leading to the same course of proceeding as before. Then No. 3 in the same way; then No. 4; and so on to No. 10; after which No. 1 began a new cycle, by playing a second move; and thus they proceeded over and over again. Now let us see what all this implies and involves. Chess is not one of the most frolicsome of games; indeed, ladies generally declare it to be very dull, seeing that a chess-player is apt to be "grumpy" if spoken to on other matters while playing. The truth is, there is a demand for much mental work in managing a game well; the combinations and subtleties, the attacks and counter-attacks, are so numerous and varied, as to keep the mind pretty fully occupied. Nevertheless, a fine game between two fine players is mere child's play compared with this wonderful achievement of Paulsen. He was obliged to form ten mental pictures; and every picture changed with every move, like the colored bits in a kaleidoscope. Most persons, even though knowing nothing of the game, are aware that it begins with thirty-two pieces of different colors and forms, and that these move about over a board of sixty-four squares. After every change of position in any one of the pieces, Paulsen must have changed his mental picture of the board, the field of battle, and then made that a fixture until the next move was made. This is hard enough in even one game, against an antagonist who has his eyes to help him in planning attacks and defences; but how hard must it be against ten! It is difficult to conceive what is the condition of the mental machinery under such circumstances; and yet, there he sat, the calmest man in the room. When told of his antagonist's doings, one by one, he looked quietly out of window, and rubbed his chin, as a man often does when thinking, and then announced his move--never mistaking No. 1 for No. 7, No. 9 for No. 3--never failing to recover the proper mental picture, and making the proper change in it; never embarrassed; never making an unlawful move, or likely to lose sight (mental sight) of any unlawful move made by his antagonists. Nor did he obtain the least pause for mental rest. Without one minute's interval, as soon as he had announced a move for one board, he was required to attend to the move of another antagonist at another board. Hour after hour did this continue--all the afternoon, all the evening, midnight, until two in the morning. He made two hundred and seventy moves in the twelve hours, twenty-seven per game average; this gave two minutes and a quarter for the consideration of each move. As all his moves were met by corresponding moves on the part of his antagonists, he was called upon to form five hundred and forty complete mental pictures in twelve consecutive hours, each picture representing the exact mode in which all of the sixty-four squares of a chess-board were occupied. Paulsen won two games, lost three, and drew five.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-27 16:58:03)
FICGS world chess championship

A minor update in the rules that fixes many problems for future wch cycles... Nothing has changed in the rules for the 1st cycle that begins in 4 days, changes only concern next cycles, with the extension of the one-time rule mentioned above.

The equation was :

- No confusion with the cycles when entering the waiting list (2300+ players qualified for 2nd stage of the previous cycle is too confusing).

- Avoiding tournaments with too big rating gaps (and encourage high rated players to participate)

- The formula combining knockout tournament, round-robin cycle (so that everyone can play wch, with no more than 5 stages), and the final 2 players matches in the last stages.

- Making it as understable as possible...


It is now mentioned in the rules that 2300+ players will play 1st stage in high rated groups (ratings superior or equal to 2300). Winners of such groups (same criterias) will be qualified for the 3rd stage round-robin tournament, the others will play 2nd stage.

As all games are played with rapid time controls, a new cycle will probably begin every 6 months !


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2006-06-30 10:50:31)
Forfeit problem

Game 934 (chess)

White clock - 30 days 23:29:09
Black clock - Out of time.

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_C__000002"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2006.05.31"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Guralivu,Paul-Iosif"]
[Black "Alessandrini,Alfredo"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "1293"]
[BlackElo "1400"]

1.e4 *

Should this game be forfeit ? Should all the games of Mr. Alessandrini be forfeit ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-30 12:50:53)
Games lost on time

Hello Paul-Iosif.

When a game is lost on time you just have to wait a few hours and the game is adjudicated automatically.

I'll try to make a replacement in the tournament soon. You may have noticed that the game has been rated as a loss for your opponent, but not as a win for you, according to the rules cause less than 10 moves have been played.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-06-30 13:23:48)
Replacement

Two players (who played no move for 30 days) have just been replaced in tournaments :

FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_C__000002
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_B__000006


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-01 17:44:41)
Format For Championship

Hello John.

After all, if it wasn't unusual, the interest would be lower for sure... :)

So you noticed, the 8 players with the highest established correspondence chess ratings play a pure knockout tournament.

I thought about this format a long time ago (and a long time). Combining a knockout tournament (more "spectacular") and a round-robin cycle (everyone can play, no more than 5 cycles) gather together the advantages of both. It is one of the reasons I made FICGS... I think pure knockout or pure round-robin wch cycle is not efficient enough for chess championships.

The other thing you'll notice in the rules : "The special rule is that in case of equality (4-4), the winner is the player with the strongest tournament entry rating if all games are draw, the player with the lowest tournament entry rating if not all games are draw. The winner is qualified for the next stage."

This rule (in case of equality in the round-robin tournaments, the player with the strongest TER is qualified too) is another way to avoid short draws... It may sound strange at a first sight, but I really think it's fair enough and a good way to find most probably the really strongest players in the last stages. Anyway, it's amazing for sure :)


The FICGS chess wch rules :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tournament


Peter Konig    (2006-07-02 10:50:19)
rules & ratings

Hi, the rules on registration were different, and stating personal rating seemed just to be of informative value, no checking of numbers or anything. Now, it seems that I have a disadvantage by stating that, I feel treated second class (I wholeheartedly ackowledge that there are much stronger players around) and my motivation dropped considerably. it is like in real live. There are people earning more or less money, but they should be equal before the law (rules). That's in the spirit of 1789! Je t'embrasse, Peter Konig


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-02 12:52:15)
rules & ratings

Hello Peter.

Indeed, you were one of the very first registered players. I have fixed the rules since this time, though it seems to me this point was the same already.

Anyway, ratings of course are not only informative (like in life :)), as it allows to play class tournaments. Now, there must be a way to choose a winner in certain cases, even if there's no "perfect" way. But if you win the tournament, there's no discussion. It only lights the battle a little more... When a player register he can ask for a >1700 rating only if he has got an "official" rating already, so the influence of choice is not so important at registration.

Your reference to 1789 is amazing, but actually we ARE equal before the law (rules). Doesn't mean the law is perfectly fair, that's impossible, of course. Like in life... The rules slightly favourize the best players. Je t'embrasse itou :)


David Grosdemange    (2006-07-02 18:53:50)
qualification for 2nd round ?

how many players will be qualified for the 2nd round of the round robin tournaments ???
that's not written in the rules .....
how many groups of how many players for the 2nd round ??
and 17 is a prime number ... so there won't be the same number of qualified players in each group (or the groups of the 2nd group won't have same number of players) ......
there's a lot of not ansered questions ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-02 19:26:07)
qualification for 2nd round

Bonjour David !

Maybe it wasn't clear enough yet. The winner and only the winner of each tournament will be qualified for the next stage. As there can't be several, only 1 player per group will be qualified.

"Round-robin tournaments are groups of 7, 9, 11 or 13 players. The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage."

Consequently, there will be at least 17 players from the groups ("at least" : if new groups are created) + players rated >2300 from the high rated groups (but winners).

I expect about 40 to 50 players in stage 2 round-robin tournaments. If the numbers don't fit, there will be an invitation to players 2300+ until it solve the problem.


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-07-02 23:58:24)
Re: Football world cup :-)

It was a victory that really teaches something. While the Brazilian squad tried to hide itself from their obvious flaws, masking them behind big names, France faced its problems, fixed them, and is very close of being a great team. A really classy victory for the French. Perhaps the bit of motivation they needed to achieve greater things. ;)


Pablo Schmid    (2006-07-03 18:37:00)
Problème du temps restant.

Bonjour De Vassal, dans ma partie 583 contre Hanly, je peux lire ça: Clock - 35 days 23:12:38 (9 days 20:48:55) S'agit-il d'un bug? Ai-je 35 jours ou 9 jours restants?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-03 18:58:48)
Remaining time

Hello Pablo.

There's no problem :)

Last move by your opponent has been played on 2006 may 14, 50 days ago. The rules state that no move shall be played in more than 60 days. Your remaining time for the game is 35 days, so you just have to play one move, and the 9 days limit will disappear, your clock will be only 35 days. If you don't play a single move before 9 more days, the game will be lost on time.


David Grosdemange    (2006-07-03 19:04:50)
affichage dans le menu des parties

il faudrai afficher ce vrai temps restant dans le menu "mes parties" à coté des parties , au lieu du temps total .....
ça peut induire fortement en erreur .... j'ai des décalages jusqu'à 15jours entre le temps affiché et le temps réel ......


Sebastian Ilie    (2006-07-03 23:01:29)
rating list

For Thibault de Vassal : You could find Florescu Ion's rating at http://gemma.ujf.cas.cz/~cieply/GO/gor.html. And i agree with the the separate rating lists for GO and chess.


Gino Figlio    (2006-07-04 01:07:56)
Symmetrical games

The format used(8-game match with simultaneous games, 4 white and 4 black) brings up the issue of avoiding symmetrical games. I don't see a perfect way of doing this other than being conscious of the problem, and trying to deviate early on. If I see an opening chosen by my opponent that I am also planning to use, I have waited to respond in one(or more) of the games, until the position reached a point where I would normal deviate, and choose an alternate move with the opposite colour. Anyone else with better ideas about how to avoid this problem?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 01:25:41)
Go rating list

Hello Sebastian.

So it was a GO rating about Ion... (I did not understand that :/)

Still thinking about a Go rating list... If I implement something would it be better to have only informative ratings (from federations) or rating calculated from the games played here (probably not very relevant) ?

Anyway, players who didn't play a single chess game with a rating <1700 (~not from FIDE / IECG / ICCF) won't appear on the chess rating list in a while.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 01:52:31)
Symmetrical games

Hello Gino.

What do you mean "symmetrical games" exactly ? (time is an important element)

First case, a player copies move after move another game played at the same time (a move after). Cheating is obvious and it's forbidden (rules)...

Second case, a game is symmetrical but moves are not played "at the same time" : It means suicide in the match for the player who has to win, with either Black or White... The same about the games played by the same player as White, there's no interest to play the same openings, as it would save his opponent's energy and loose chances to provoke a fault.

I had seen you were waiting to move with black in your match, but you can play the same opening with Black, it's up to your opponent to play different openings, otherwise it's good for you...


Henri-Louis Muller    (2006-07-04 09:39:01)
temps de reflexion

Je suis également d'avis qu'il existe un très sérieux problème concernant le temps de réflexion dans les parties ! Un joueur peut ainsi rester "trainer" avec une partie durant DES MOIS sans jouer, et sans AUCUNE justification ! Il faudrait aussi reglementer la durée PAR coup et non seulement sur la totalité des coups joués. J'ai CINQ parties dans le même cas :perte certaine de l'adversaire, et on attend 50 à 90 jours avant de répondre ou de dépasser le temps !! Evidemment, le fair-play et la sportivité jouent aussi un rôle.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 12:02:45)
triche et fair-play

Bonjour Henri-Louis.

Encore une fois cela fait partie intégrante du jeu par correspondance... Il n'est pas rare que les joueurs "gèrent" leurs défaites et victoires dans le temps pour les faire coincider avec les calculs de classement de leur choix. Le problème est identique à l'ICCF et ailleurs, et il n'y a aucune solution ou règle raisonnable pouvant régler le problème. Lorsqu'on a compris que le jeu par correspondance est une question de plusieurs mois, on finit par comprendre que le problème est somme toute négligeable...

De nombreuses parties jouées sur le serveur sont jouées beaucoup plus rapidement qu'à la normale, cela n'empêche qu'il s'agit d'échecs par correspondance, avec la cadence du jeu par correspondance. Diminuer le temps par coup ne changerait absolument pas le problème si tu y réfléchis bien. Quoiqu'il en soit, concernant la partie dont tu avais fait appel, qu'elle se termine maintenant ou fin aout, ça ne change rien, elle sera prise en compte dans le classement de septembre.

Pour finir, je rappelle qu'il existe une cadence "rapide" (tournois rapides, championnat), c'est donc le choix de chacun. Patience :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 12:17:36)
Symmetrical games

Playing the same opening until move 20 is not a problem IMO, particularly in correspondence chess nowadays...

John, about the format, that's interesting discussing... Why wouldn't it be "normal" in your opinion ? Not usual for sure, as round-robin tournaments are used everywhere in correspondence chess. So it will be a surprise for hardened CC players, but will it be for OTB players ? Why the "match format" couldn't be an acceptable alternative ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 16:55:10)
Symmetrical games

I don't understand how it could be a problem. If one consider a critical position at the end of the opening (ie. clear advantage for White), who plays White first knows the position is bad for Black... Why would he play the same opening with Black ? It's a wrong question IMO, there are very few cases where there's only a "good" move until the end of the game.

Anyway, this question is even more relevant when playing different tournaments in different organizations (a player may respond moves played by an opponent in a game at IECG in another game at ICCF....) than in two players matches. Nothing can prevent that, but what a shame and where's the satisfaction ? I think it's not a problem there.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 18:26:07)
Chess game is a draw...

I understand what you mean... But this is theory. I can't see any pratical example illustrating a real problem with "symmetrical games"... Do you know such an example that happened in ICCF before.


Gino Figlio    (2006-07-04 18:54:07)
Difficult to prove

If it's difficult to prove who is "cheating" in a match like this, it's practically impossible to prove foul play when the incident occurs in 2 different tournaments, against 2 different opponents. I'm sure this has happened in ICCF but unfortunately there is no way to detect it. I remember chessfriend claimed to have this figured out, but it was just one person's opinion. Players need to be aware of this problem and avoid it, nothing worse than being forced to play against yourself.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 20:15:35)
8-game matches

John... ??? :)

Vladimir Kramnik - Peter Leko (match for WCH classical title)
Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz...

Of course it is desired... Who will remember the names of the players in the last ICCF final tournament ? Even if ICCF doesn't use this format, and (as you say) serious CC players didn't have the opportunity to play such tournament, knockout format is still desired.

My first idea was a pure enormous knockout tournament, but it's obviously not possible (too much rounds, a time problem), that's why I thought about this combined system.

Now look at the chess world : Many players don't understand why FIDE progressively reduces the number of games and time controls in WCH matches. It is the main reason why FIDE world champion title looses value. Not hard / accurate, not spectacular enough !! ..

What many players (me, at least :)) expect is a classical world championship with a big final match. You may have noticed that FICGS champion will have the opportunity to defend his title in a... 24 games match against his challenger... (!!) That's real fight, that's real challenge and that's what I expect to see from a championship, a big opposition between 2 players, and not a round-robin more or less aleatory, with too much names, not understandable for the most.

Now, as we said on TCCMB : FICGS is not "official" matter, chess is for fun here, but chess must be a show and I'm convinced it is relevant in correspondence chess too. We'll see that ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-04 21:03:47)
Symmetrical games

Understand me, referee has to validate the evidence, nothing more. There can't be any ambiguity in this case (all moves are copied ad tempo, or not). Rules are written in this way : No human factor.

However I can't let the program close an account because of cheating :) .. There are a few players trying to use several accounts, they are automatically detected, but we can discuss (and finally close the facticious one). This site is friendly, we are not in Matrix :>


Gino Figlio    (2006-07-04 21:19:14)
statistics

Dear Thibault, I don't have the answer, I suspect there is no solution for this problem. If you apply statistics to extreme situations, there will always be some outliers that will prove your prediction wrong. One good example is ICC(internet chess club) and their self-proclaimed perfect method to detect online cheaters. I can tell you some OTB 2100-2300 players can perform sometimes close to 2600 strength, and sometimes more than 95% of their moves coincide with one of the chess engines...statistically you can call this a cheater, but reality is not respectful of normal distributions


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-05 19:14:09)
Leave/Reflection Time

That's right. You take 5 days leave, 5 days are added to your clock... This is quite logical, after the leave period your clock is the same again. The difference with other systems is you can play during your leave.

We discussed about it in another thread :

http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_144.html


Xavier Pichelin    (2006-07-05 20:38:56)
Problème du temps restant.

Bonjour, Je viens de M'apercevoir qu'un de mes adversaire Mr LAINE Jari a plus de temps de reflexion que ses adversaires en jouant aussi vite ou (lentement)! Ref: WCH stage 1 Groupe 13 Est-ce normal ou il y a t-il un bug? Amicalement Xavier.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-05 20:45:31)
Vacances = plus de temps

C'est normal, en cliquant sur l'une de ses parties il est indiqué qu'il est en vacances jusqu'au 19 juillet :

"Jari Laine ... is in vacation until 2006 July 19"


Glen D. Shields    (2006-07-06 03:54:49)
Congratulations - 500 members now !

Not sure how many noticed that FICGS reached 500 members this past week. That's a fantastic milestone considering FICGS is only three months old.

Congratulations Thibault and thank you for making this site available for all of us to enjoy!


John Knudsen    (2006-07-06 06:41:08)
Leave/Reflection Time

Hi Thibault: I understand this now - thanks. And I like the limitation on accumulated reflection time - this is a great idea. Still, the stated reflection time was given as 30 days +1 per move, and when you are on leave, you are not moving. To award an extra day reflection time on days that you do not more (i.e., vacation) is not logical at all. Your reflection time should remain unchanged from the day that you last moved. Any smart guy that has not used leave, and is running out of time on his games will just take his 30 days leave, and presto - he has 30 days more reflection time. This possibility, by itself, makes the reflection time a joke, in my opinion. John


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-06 16:35:13)
Leave/Reflection Time

This is "almost" the same..... But that's right, this is more like a time reservoir than holidays. In both cases, when you take days leave -> you have more time to think if you want to. The difference is when you play during your leave, but it seems to me that consequences are negligible and not a problem.

Just different...

I wasn't very favourable to this option, but many players ask for. Aren't there a way to take a leave in ICCF ?


Pablo Schmid    (2006-07-06 19:32:42)
même problème

J'ai le même problème contre Muratet (partie 581), je ne l'ai constaté qu'aujourd'hui mais d'après mes calculs, ça fait déjà plusieurs jours qu'il a perdu au temps sans que la partie soit finie.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-07 01:51:50)
Robot

Le robot vient d'adjuger la partie (qui n'était certainement terminée que depuis 12 heures au plus), tout marche normalement...


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-07-08 11:08:51)
Modifying "rapid" tournament rules ?

Hello all,
Hello Thibault
As I already said in an earlyer thread, one of the reasons why I joined FICGS was the possibility to play fewer games simultaneously at a faster pace than in other corr. chess associations.
So I enrolled in a first rapid tournament where I find two things unpleasant for a so-called "rapid" category:
1. some of my opponents (and myself also) accumulated reflection time "reserves" of 40 or even 50 days in some cases, which is not appropriate for a "rapid" tournament IMHO.
2. my last unfinished game is completely won for more than ten moves now (it's K+pawns against K+pawns with an unstoppable passed pawn for me where computers announce forced mate in ... max 40 moves). My 2200+ opponent continues to play at a very slow pace. It's pretty annoying : I bet I could win my game at blitz tempo against Kasparov analysing for three days per move but I suppose I will have to play for weeks until his king is mated!

So I propose :
1. To have an absolute limitation of the time reserve a player can accumulate in rapid tournaments (30 ?)
2. To have a procedure allowing to call for external adjudication when a player refuses to resign a forcefully lost game.

Your opinion ?

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-08 12:33:21)
Fischer clock - Limitation

Hello Marc.

About the adjudication, that's a problem without a real solution IMO. I think human interventions must be reduced as much as possible (null is clearly best), many players agree with that.

I just written you were right and agreed with your first proposal about the accumulation time rule for rapid games. Now I think it just can't solve the problem and wouldn't be efficient enough... In the few cases (ie. yours) a player may last a game, for any reason (maybe manage his rating), changing the time accumulation limitation wouldn't prevent him to last it almost the same, by spacing out his moves...

No solution yet, but we can discuss it, maybe we can improve this point.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-07-08 21:05:41)
Thibault You Have a Golden Opportunity

Thibault - one of the reasons that FICGS has grown so quickly is that you've welcomed input and implented the things the players have asked for. John is right on this issue. I urge you to listen to him. Take this opportunity and make FICGS the chess server that leads the way in establishing logical time rules.

Here are some suggestions for regular tournaments. You and others can build on these:
- 30 days start +2 days added per move
- 100 days maximum accumulated time
- 30 days maximum limit for one move
- 4 weeks (28 days) annual leave
- no time lost or added during leaves
- no moves made during leaves
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes

My recommendation for rapid tournaments are:
- 14 days start +1 day added per move
- 30 days maximum accumulated time
- 10 days maximum limit for one move
- 2 weeks (14 days) annual leave
- no time added or lost during leaves
- no moves made during leaves
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes

I recommend you let the server automatically handle time limit oversteps and make no exceptions. The only exception I would offer is if someone is ill or injured and needs to take an extended medical leave (these things happen). Let there be an option for that player to file an approved leave with you.

Thibault love your server and the hard work you put into it. You and others feel free to critique my suggestions. I strongly urge you to use this opportunity to lead the world in logical time rules. You don't have federations or tempermental world champions to appease. You are the boss. Do it RIGHT. Good luck.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-07-09 00:46:13)
Leave/Reflection Time

Dear chessfriends!

In my dreams a perfect server has the following time rules.

Normal tournaments:

- 30 days with an increment of 30 days/ 10 moves
- 100 days maximum accumulated time
- 30 days maximum limit for one move
- 4 weeks leave per tournament (!) for every year since the start of the tournament
- no time lost or added during leaves
- a move in a tournament during a leave stops the leave in all games of this tournament
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes

Rapid tournaments

- 30 days start +1 day added per move
- 45 days maximum accumulated time
- 30 days maximum limit for one move
- no leave
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes

By the way, the world championship should not be a rapid tournament.

But how I said these are my dreams ...




Josh Knapp    (2006-07-09 06:54:48)
Private notes

I'm new to the site, so far I like it. But I am curious, are there any plans to make a private notes feature? I have played on several other sites and make notes all the time. I know I could make them on my computer, but the problem with that is that I often switch back and forth between two different machines.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-10 02:04:36)
Vacation and reflection time

Hi John, Glen & Heinz-Georg. Thanks for all suggestions... ;)

Some responses, particularly about vacation (towards a compromise ?) :

* 30 days + 2 days/move : Not "beautiful" (not a joke, it is design matter)

* 30 days max for one move : Not convinced it can really bring something... if a player want to last a CC game, I think no reasonable rule (without human factor) can prevent him to do so.

* 14 days + 1 day/move (rapid) : As players don't know exactly when tournaments will start, I think 30 days at start (ie. compared : email tournaments often start before the real date) is a good choice to avoid accidental forfeits during holidays !

* 2 weeks annual leave : Even for different time controls, I'm not favourable to make too many different rules.. 30 days (for all games per year) is a balanced choice IMO.

* Vacation : Ok, I make note of this. I was not favourable to any leave system, cause it's obviously a way to have days more in time trouble, even if time is frozen ! .. That's why I made it "hard" to use.. If players can stop their leave when they want, just by playing a move, it becomes easier to manage time trouble situations. The 60 days rule for 1 move was a solution avoiding vacation IMO but we discussed it already... Now I'm to decide to change the vacation rule, as John (& you) urged me. I thought it was a good thing not to prevent players to make moves during the leave... Maybe most think different, ok... However I have a problem yet with vacation as it's really a way to get more reflection time... Here is what I suggest, simply a harder rule : Players who take days leave CAN'T play during their vacation and CAN'T take days back (stopping their leave by playing a move) ! Then 2 options, players must wait their vacation end date to play again, or they can play, but provoking the cancellation of their leave (loosing the days leave taken and not used yet).. Maybe it won't be appreciated in some particular cases if players have to modify their plans, but the aim is clearly to reduce the vacation effect on the game... What do you think ?


Josh Knapp    (2006-07-10 06:03:03)
yes

Thibault, That is exactly what I mean. I find them very useful. Espically when you are trying to develop a complicated plan. It is nice to write/type it down so that if you can't end up coming back to the game for a week, you can have some idea of what you were trying to do.


Henri Muller    (2006-07-10 14:02:17)
Football W.Ch.2006

Rideau !! Italie Championne du Monde !! TRES bien !! Mais quelle belle "sortie" de MONSIEUR Z.Zidane. Sans aucune excuse. Inadmissible ! à ce niveau, à ce stade et comme professionnel!! Quel bel exemple aussi pour les jeunes !! Heureusement que l'Italie a gagné finalement.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-07-10 15:04:46)
Football world cup :-(

cher Monsieur Muller ...

N'y-a-t-il pas un seul endroit sur le web où on puisse échapper à cette footballistique obsession ...
... et à ces leçons de morale bon marché sur fond de jeux de ballon??
Si vous étiez italien ou français, passe encore... mais vous êtes belge, en plus.
Qu'est-ce que votre commentaire a à faire ici et en quoi peut-il intéresser quiconque ?
Faites-le plutôt sur
www. FanaDeFootMoralDésappointé.com
ou sur
www.AQuIlEstBonDeChambrerLesFrançais.com,
par exemple ...

... mais la leçon élémentaire de moralité publique à deux sous à base de coupe du monde sur des forums d'échecs moi, pour parler clairement, j'en ai déjà eu ma dose jusqu'à l'écoeurement ...

.. et j'espère que ça ne va pas continuer à polluer longtemps encore ce forum-ci comme tant d'autres!


Glen D. Shields    (2006-07-10 15:21:09)
Sounds good ....

Thibault - thanks for the feedback and your openess to make changes in the vacation rules.

It's important to get some of these rules right while the player list is still relatively small and the players are still geting use to playing at FICGS. It will be harder to make rule changes in the future.

The 100 day maximum you set on accumulated time establishes FICGS as the trend setter in how to manage modern correspondence chess games. Excellent decision! Much of the problems people talk about in time control are prevented by the addition of this rule.

I'm sure you are aware the IECG has a 30 day maximum per move and the ICCF a 40 day maximum. The IECG limit is firm. You exceed 30 days once you lose. The ICCF's rule is unclear and unevenly managed. You reach 40 days, you need to beg the TD to do something. Sometimes he helps, sometimes he doesn't. Not a good situation.

Whatever limit you set at FICGS, I recommend you keep it firm and automatic like IECG. Personally I prefer 30 days, you prefer 60. IMHO 30 days is plenty of time to make a move is someone is serious about playing. 60 days is too long to wait. My preference is to make the rules enjoyable for those who want to play, not for those who sign up and then get "busy" and rudely make their opponents sit and wait. IMHO you'll attract and keep a better membership base by making the rules player friendly, not player annoying.

Thanks again. My best to you.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-10 15:51:29)
Zidane / Materazzi... provocations

Les esprits sont encore à vifs après ce moment fort du sport...

Un fil sur un événement extérieur aux échecs ou au Go ne me parait pas de trop ici, c'est une manière comme une autre d'échanger, personne n'est obligé de lire.

Je suis d'accord sur le fond avec Henri, même si la forme est un peu rude... Je suis d'accord sur le fond avec Marc pour le signaler, mais la forme est clairement TROP rude.

Nous ne sommes pas sur un terrain de football, mais un minimum de bon sens sur la forme est bienvenu où que ce soit, peu importe les sujets abordés ici et le fond du propos ! .. le coup de tête de Zidane était de trop, quelle qu'en soit la raison et ce post aussi.

J'espère que cet échange s'arrêtera ici, en tout cas sous cette forme, sans quoi j'aurai le grand bonheur de devoir modérer... :(

Bonne journée à tous...


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-07-10 20:06:15)
Vacation and reflection time

Hi Thibault

Vacation seems to be a great problem on all chess servers. The way you manage it is very special. I don't think, that your way is "hard to use". Of course you can always abuse vacation to have more time in time trouble. But your way is very easy. Take 10 days of vacation and play on. And at the end of a year add the not consumed vacation to the reflection time of all of your games.

Now you suggest that a player can not play during his vacation. That is ok. But if the player starts playing during his vacation "loosing the days leave taken and not used yet" is not ok. "Maybe it won't be appreciated in some particular cases". Too much and unnecessary administration. Let the server work.

You don't want to give up your concept (adding vacation time to the reflection time), am I right? You already have announced the corrections on "My messages". If you must change your concept, you would have to rewrite parts of the software.

Nevertheless I would like to say how I imagine the vacation rules on my "perfect server".

I can make the following things with my 4 weeks of holiday:

- If I'm on holiday far away from home or don't like to play chess for a while, I can take a leave in all tournaments.
- If I have much work (sorry - I had to earn money and my employer doesn't take it into consideration, that I would like to play more chess) and can't take care of all tournaments for a while, I take a leave in single tournaments. If the overload is past, I play on without losing the vacation which I perhaps haven't taken.
- I cannot take a leave in a rapid tournament. That is ok - rapid means rapid. There shouldn't be any way to get more time for reflection in this kind of tournament.

It's a pity that no more players express their opinion on this topic in this forum.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-11 02:18:11)
Vacation and reflection time

Hello Heinz-Georg.

Of course I'll change the software, that's not a problem. What is important is to find the best solution to this issue... Time will be frozen during vacation.

There are several other ways to make it harder to use. Maybe it could be interesting to have no choice (or less) on the numbers of days you can take - ie. only 10 days by 10 days.


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-07-11 22:14:16)
A question

Thibault wrote concerning rapid clock: "* 14 days + 1 day/move (rapid) : As players don't know exactly when tournaments will start, I think 30 days at start (ie. compared : email tournaments often start before the real date) is a good choice to avoid accidental forfeits during holidays !" Since your concern is with the first moves, how about using the 14 days + 1 move/day suggestion, but on the first two plies (e.g.: 1.e4 c5) you add a second clock that would give a period of 10 days for White and Black (separately) to know the game is on, before they make their first moves? It'd go like this: White has 10 days on this "grace period" + 14 days. Two possibilities: 1) He makes his first move. The time he had remaining on his "grace period" is removed, and he would have the 14 days. He would not get an additional day for it. 2) He does not make the move on the "grace period" and his 14 days clock starts running down. When he does move, one day will be added, as it normally would. When White moves (if White ever moves), then: 3) Black makes his first move. The remaining of his "grace period" is removed, his 14 days remain, no days are added. Or, 4) Black does not make a move in the "grace period", his 14 days clock begins to run. If he makes a move, he'll gain the day, as he normally would. In both cases, no more "grace periods" would be added for the rest of the game, and White's clock would start running with 14 days or less, depending if (1) or (2) happened. I'm not sure if I was clear, neither if it is actually possible to do so. It's just a suggestion. I also hope that the forum does not clutter my message. :)


Henri-Louis Muller    (2006-07-12 09:19:01)
foorball world cup

On est quand même sur un forum où TOUTES les idées peuvent être débatues. Que l'on soit belge, français ou autre !!C'est du moins ce que je pensais ! En ce qui me concerne, l'incident est clos ( ici du moins !!) et je rejoins les observation pertinentes de Thibault ! Bonnes parties....d'échecs à tous !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-12 23:12:46)
Delay before tournament start

Hello Rodrigo.

I think your idea looks like very much the system used in email chess. I just wanted to make it easier to understand. Quite strange to make moves and have no days added to the clock. "Official" and "non-official" start for a tournament is a thing we can avoid. That's the main reason of this time control 30 days + 1 day/move.


Henri-Louis Muller    (2006-07-12 09:27:38)
Football world cup

Cher Monsieur Lacrosse, Je pense que même un Belge peut avoir son opinion sur le sujet !!??.... sur un forum, quel qu'il soit. Mais je ne désire pas poursuivre cette polémique ni répondre à une provocation. Bonnes parties....d'échecs !


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-07-12 14:50:41)
Re: " What Materazzi said "

World renowned lip-reading experts are in agreement as to what Materazzi has said to Zidane, which provoked Zidane's headbutt. This was in the news the last few days. What Materazzi has said is horrible! FIFA has opened an investigation into this.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-07-12 18:05:21)
Email webmaster

How do I e-mail you ? Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-12 23:00:09)
Email webmaster

Hello Wayne.

You can email me at : info(o)ficgs.com ... just replace (o) by @ ;)

I couldn't respond before friday, I'm away right now.

Best wishes.


Charlie Neil    (2006-07-14 19:10:14)
Private Notes

Hi Thibault. Yes a note facility would be great! As you can keep reminders as to what you were doing and keep a note of "the plan" for that game. I get confused very easily. Otherwise the mimalist presentation on screen is very good.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-15 13:21:58)
Time limit per move

The idea is interesting, however it could be difficult to display the remaining days (confusing)...

About the 60 days limit, I think there are clear advantages, and the bad effects are not so important if you consider there's no real way to prevent a player to last a game and the rating period of 2 months. The point that makes it difficult to compare to other organizations is some FICGS rules are harder : All lost games are rated, forfeits or not... I think this rules takes off some pressure. And many players can't assume regular play. Players who think 60 days per move is too long may play only rapid tournaments...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-16 14:50:26)
a suggestion

Ok. I'll add two forms for each game : One for personal notes, another for public comments (only by players themselves)...


Gino Figlio    (2006-07-19 07:19:52)
question

Hi Thibault, I am thinking about making public comments to my games, but one thing holds me back; would Gilles Hervet mind if I do? I don't want to bother him or his concentration...I can't find a way to message him...would you mind asking him?(I'm thinking you must have his email address) Thanks, Gino


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-19 22:23:54)
Inscription

Bonjour Pablo.

En effet..... Je vais regarder ça rapidement. Merci !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-20 05:51:19)
Bug fixed

Eh bien non, ce n'était pas un pirate mais un simple hasard improbable dans un océan de mathématiques... Le bug est corrigé. Merci pour le retour !


Gino Figlio    (2006-07-20 08:42:29)
posting

Hi Thibault,

Gilles accepted so I'll start posting some comments. I believe there has to be an agreement if something changes after the game has started. If the agreement or rule is in place from the start then, it's ok.

Best,

Gino


Eric Berthelot    (2006-07-21 09:59:50)
Mise à jour classement ELO

Thibault, peux-tu me dire quand sont mis à jour les ELO ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-21 11:24:02)
Mise a jour classement ELO

Bonjour Eric.

Tout est là (11.7) : http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general

"The rating period is 2 months. The first period of a year starts on January 1st. For ratings calculations, the opponents' Tournament Entry Rating (TER), which are valid on the day of the rating run, are used."

La prochaine mise à jour sera donc pour le 1er septembre.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-22 18:31:31)
What future for correspondence chess ?

You may have noticed this "grave" question on the home page... :)

---------

Are draws and chess engines killing chess game, are the level and play simply standardized by Deep Fritz and Rybka... Is the extraordinary performance by Christophe Léotard at XIX th. ICCF correspondence chess world championship 'chancy', a statistical happening, or is there a place yet for human play in modern correspondence chess ?

"I really believe that Go is destined to take the place of Chess as the leading intellectual game of the Occident, just as it has reigned supreme in the Orient for some four thousand years." (Edward Lasker, international chess master)

"... {it is} something unearthly... if there are sentient beings on other planets, then they play go." (Emanuel Lasker, chess world champion)


It had been said that Chess 960 would replace Chess too. I don't think so...

Any predictions ?


Glen D. Shields    (2006-07-22 19:50:51)
Interesting Discussion Topic

Thibault - this is a interesting discussion topic. Of course, no one knows the future with certainty, but we can all offer an opinion :)

I'm nearing my 40th year of correspondence play. Sometime later this year I will complete my 1000th tournament game. All my games were played by postcard until the mid 90's. E-mail dominated my CC schedule from about 1998 until 2002. Now I only play server chess. I've played on the FICGS, IECG, GameKnot, ChessFriend, Schemingmind and ICCF servers.

Contrary to many people who've played as long as I have, I do NOT see chess engines as a threat to the game. I think they've changed the game, but not hurt the game. I believe they've increasd CC's popularity and game quality. The same is true for opening and ending databases.

Some of the changes that will occur in CC the next ten years:

- Servers will improve functionality and ease of use.

- Due to engine use we will grow to accept 2200 as an "average" rating rather than "Master."

- Tournaments will be re-structured to include fewer players per section and shorter tournament durations. This particularly applies to ICCF where 15 player sections and slow time rules to simulate postal chess are used.

- New server functionality will be added to allow players the option to SLOW down the game. It's too easy to get caught in a mindless "server flurry."

- New chess software will be developed to analyze games. This analysis tool will give proability estimates on what engine one's opponent is using. That information will allow one to counter and plan against one's opponent.

- There will be more anti-computer books written and theories developed. We will use these techniques to beat our opponent and and improve our chess planning skills.

Bottomline ... I am excited by the new technology. I see continued advances in the way we manage our gameload, the way we send moves, the way we play, plan and analyze our moves. The way we play in the future will be different and will still be fun for those who embrace new technology. My disappointment is I am an old man and unlikely to enjoy all the advantages the future brings. I hope those who follow me enjoy what I will miss :)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-07-23 15:47:26)
YAHOO MAIL PROBLEMS TODAY?

Hello, any Yahoo mail users I can't access my yahoo mail for many hours today. Is there any problems at Yahoo mail today? A bug?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-23 16:05:25)
Yahoo mail problems today...

Hi Dinesh.

The answer is yes, obviously.

Quite funny, each time it happens, there are several "googlers" coming from this keyword 'yahoo mail problems today' ;)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-07-23 16:11:57)
Re: Yahoo mail problems.....

Thanks for the quick reply. I hope Yahoo fixes it soon. (I just wanted to make sure it wan't a problem with my computer).


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-23 19:54:58)
Chess thematic tournaments

Hello to all.

The 7th chess thematic tournament (waiting list is open) may be a very interesting challenge...

The opening : 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 Ng8 3.e4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Ng8

Is it a lost position or not, you can try to respond ! (it is at least very hypermodern style, but is there a name for such a manoeuvre ? :))

There are many other ideas of openings, but you can make suggestions for future thematic tournaments.

Previous ones :

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000001
King's gambit (winner : Josef riha)

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000002
Wing's gambit

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000003
Benko gambit

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000004
Orang-utan

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000005
Danish gambit

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000006
Scotch gambit


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-07-24 11:13:10)
Re: Future of correspondence chess......

I foresee that in the future there'll be teleconferencing & chatting live with the opponent/multiple opponents while making one's moves, analysing, drinking coffee etc. Well, players may be making faces at each other trying to scare off each other and/or rattling off bizarre variations to make it seem that the opponent has no option but to resign the game/s. Haha!!!!!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-24 13:03:25)
Future of correspondence chess......

That's a fine analysis, Glen.

However, it's legitimate to consider that chess at a higher level is becoming much harder so that some of the very best players may stop their career, thinking that it's no worth the energy anymore, for results more influenced by 'chance' in statistics...

How many "super-grandmasters" (2700+) said that each point over this mark represents more and more work ?

It's probably the same (and more) in correspondence chess. I do think that it's still possible to improve a lot ! .. but there's a lack of a higher class of players. That's a pity the very best correspondence chess players (ie. former ICCF world champions : Joop van Oosterom, Gert Jan Timmerman...) retire or at least don't defend their title since they achieved it. Of course it's a lot of time, but result is the top class appear to be bigger and there's no clear champion. That's not good IMO to popularize correspondence chess.

All games need champions. I read recently on a Go forum that the success of Chess nowadays was due to his champions (Go is not popular yet in the west because there's noone to represent it, except a manga [Hikaru No Go]..), Garry Kasparov, Bobby Fischer... That's true IMO, and that's what particularly misses to correspondence chess. Maybe things won't change in ICCF (maybe I should pretend to the board :)), but anyway that's why I chose the knockout system for the FICGS world chess championship, and the possibility for the winner to play a final against a challenger. We'll see...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-24 15:09:28)
Wikichess : Improvement

The main page now displays the last 20 lines created (instead of moves). It should allow us to discuss lines in an easier way.. :)


Dirk Jan Van Dijl    (2006-07-24 16:53:41)
Copyright issues

Dear Thibault, what about copyright infringements? Are you allowed to copy older books and magazines? Kind regards, Dick van Dijl


Glen D. Shields    (2006-07-24 17:04:52)
Thanks Thibault

Thanks Thibault for the response.

I definitely concur that today's correspondence chess is different than 40 years ago. The two biggest things I miss about today's CC are the 1) blunders and 2) open tournaments. I remember the excitement of getting a postcard and rushing to check my opponent's move. Blunders weren't common, but they occured. Now they're non-existant. Blunders made for great lore!

Why no more open tournaments? Took me 40 years to get my rating where it's at. I'm not a top player, but what I've earned, I've earned mostly the "old fashioned" way. I avoid open tournaments to avoid losing to low rated players who just learned the moves, but because they have a a high powered muti-processor running Deep Fritz they can knock me down a hundred points. I miss chatting with beginners, teaching them the ins and outs of CC. Oh well :)

You mentioned the top CC players winning and then not sticking with the game because winning is too hard due to chess engines. Is the drop out rate at the WC level any different than it was in the past? Berliner won and dropped out 40 years ago. Palciauskas won 30 years ago and then he dropped out. Chess engines were not a factor when they won. I don't think top players drop out because of engines, but because it is too hard to keep a competitive edge to play at a top level for any length of time. Good results are a combination of talent, hard work and good fortune. Keeping all three together for any length of time is a HUGE endeavor.

Personally I think a bigger threat to CC burn-out is not chess engines, but chess servers. Servers make CC too easy. Today's CC today is like Bill Murray in "Ground Hog Day." You wake up to an inbox full of chess moves. You work all day/night replying. Then you wake up the following day to moves from the same people and do it all again. There are no week long breaks breaks between games like in the postcard days. Server chess is burning out everyone, not just the top players. The progressive server owners will need to address this issue someday.

Sooooo ... what's the bottomline for me? I liked the old days better, but the old days are gone. Chess engines are here to stay. Progress is part of life. I embrace progress and am determined to enjoy it. I get my thrills by learning about chess engines and their weaknesses. That gives me an edge and keeps the game fresh. But then that's me :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-24 17:36:05)
Thanks Glen

Thanks for these sharp remarks and this piece of correspondence chess story. That's very interesting discussing...

I make good notes of what you said about correspondence chess servers !

About what Dinesh said... he just invented Chess Cyber Sex :))))


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-24 19:23:24)
Copyright issues

Like everywhere else, Dirk Jan... at your own risks ;)

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


06. Warranties and limitations of liability

(...) FICGS shall not be liable for what members will do if they don't respect these "Terms and Conditions" or for what members will publish in the forum, news, comments or messages to other members.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-07-26 00:32:35)
I'm feeling guilty

I just read The touching story of Glen and frankly I feel guilty. I complained here of basically, having to play a 1400 player. Reason obvious he has a 2800 rated program, but so do I. Glen earned his stature. the old fashon way, brain power, intuition, chess knowledge and a strong memory, putting all these tools to work for many, many years. My CC rating elsewhere is 2200+, sorry to admit my programs got me there. In the fairness vain, I didnt earn such a rating. I sorta like to kid my self that all the players I play use comps too. So I tell my self I earned this rating. I earned it playing on servers against people, just like me doing the same as I, getting help/advise from a program. I do not believe this is right, it is not fair for a player such as Glen. I do not have an answer. I am all in favour of Artificial intelligence and hardware advances applied to chess. I am a EE so it is natural for me to be deeply involved.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-07-26 03:52:31)
Thanks Wayne, but ...

Wayne - you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to feel guilty about. You're playing by todays rules. One of life's great pleasures is to embrace change and enjoy the fun and diversity that comes from it :)

I look forward to even more change. I'd love to see new analysis tools, new ways to analyze endings, openings, and counter-attack the engines. So much to be accomplished. So many great things still be developed :)


Pablo Schmid    (2006-07-27 03:04:03)
2 parties rated non comptées?

Salut De Vassal, j'ai un petit problème: j'ai 6 victoires en rated, mais que 4 sont calculées, et ce, depuis un moment. Qu'en est-il des 2 autres parties classées que j'ai gagnées?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-27 03:33:26)
parties non classées

Bonjour Pablo !

Les parties gagnées avant le 10ème coup (abandons / forfaits) ne sont pas comptabilisées pour plus d'équité, un autre moyen également d'éviter une triche évidente (voir règles). Je suppose qu'il doit s'agir de ce cas !?


Pablo Schmid    (2006-07-27 03:51:12)
En partie

Il est vrai que sur les 6 parties, il y en a une ou mon adversaire perd au temps avant les 10 premiers coups. 4 parties ont été comptabilisées, la partie gagnée au temps en moins de 10 coups ne copmte pas, d'accord mais il reste toujours une partie qui n'a pas compté, et j'ai vérifié, pas d'abandon en dessous de 10 coups. Je suppose qu'il y a une autre explication, mais laquelle?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-28 21:09:39)
parties non classées

Je réponds ici au cas où, après l'email. De quelle partie s'agissait il ? C'était probablement du à la limite des 350 points d'écart en cas de victoire si l'adversaire avait un classement beaucoup plus faible...


Pablo Schmid    (2006-07-28 21:57:37)
..

J'ai finalement constaté qu'un de mes adversaires avait un rating inférieur de plus de 350 pts (pas dans le TER), c'est probablement l'explication, affaire reglée ;)


Graham Wyborn    (2006-07-29 00:14:17)
Country Flag

I notice that a few players now use the "England" flag. I seem to remember that when I joined, that I did not have this option. I would like to change from the Union Jack Flag to the English Flag. How can I do this?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-07-29 13:04:12)
Chess analysis tools

I hope that analysis tools won't improve too much. The obvious problem will be (already is) draws. Not at the highest level, but ... if all games are draw at a high level, the interest will decrease for many players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-01 11:45:47)
England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales

Sorry, I'm still a bit confused with that :/

I just looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_terminology

So, Northern Ireland seems to be a country, Ireland I'm not sure... Finally, which is a real country or not ?

I don't understand why Great Britain is in ISO-3166 list... Anyway I don't want to treat political issues here, still thinking about the best solution.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-01 22:32:16)
United Kingdom = 1 code, 1 flag

Hello to all.

Sorry, I definitely made a mistake offering both United Kingdom and England-Scotland-Wales-Northern Ireland flags... The four are not official countries... I had the same problem with Québec/Canada & Puerto Rico/USA.

Everyone will have GBR code (and flag), but feel free to ask another country flag if it doesn't fit to you.

Thibault


"Hello Thibault, Thanks for trying. I did think it would get to be a bit confusing. The United Kingdom and Great Britain issue is a difficult one to explain. (...) we can get "heated" when our seperate nationhood and identity are not recognised. But this is chess and the International Correspondence Chess Federation has the motto, "we are all friends" and FIDE has "we are one people" as its motto. So avoiding the mire of nationalism let's just get on with the game without frontiers. You can't please everyone. This is still a good place to play chess."

Thanks ! :)


Graham Wyborn    (2006-08-02 00:19:42)
ICCF

England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are all member countries of the ICCF. No players are said to come from the UK! Interesting to note that the ICCF has Ireland as a whole, not Eire and Northern Ireland.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-02 00:35:49)
ICCF members / countries

Interesting point... But do ICCF display another country code and flag than ISO norm for each player (I would be quite surprised, and it would be a bit complicated) ? Or country-members list is just something separated from players ? (so it wouldn't solve the problem)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-08-02 16:10:49)
Inactive Rating List

Thibault, I see that some players don't seem to be playing in any of the tournaments! though they are listed in the Rating List. Any future plans to list them under an Inactive Rating List perhaps?! Just a suggestion.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-02 16:38:07)
Inactive player list

Hi Dinesh.

That's planned. I'll add an inactive player list in september...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-02 20:36:00)
Chess WCH waiting list

Hello José Antonio.

Players who had not entered chess wch waiting list before July 1st (start of the 1st wch) can do it before August 15, in order to start more tournaments (july was a bit early to start). Most players who entered it lately already play in new groups or have replaced players who didn't make a single move in their games (and lost on time). If this is the point you're talking about, it's difficult to consider a game without a move has been really played. Replacements (particularly players rated 1200: beginners) allow to low rated players to enter this 1st WCH tournaments cycle, otherwise new groups wouldn't have the necessary rating average.

Finally, everyone play a 6-games tournament in this first round. So, why 12 games ? Maybe I did not understand well... :/


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-08-02 22:14:10)
Request for adjudication & rules

In game *** my opponent has a completely lost position for more than 2 months by now and refuses to resign.
How long will he require that I play child-level uninteresting moves?
I announce mate in 8 moves and request adjudication against this completely disgraceful way of playing.
I am evidently able to prove the win.
I already said how I felt this kind of proceeding to be completely disgusting.

If my requirement is not fulfilled I will leave this site being the first master-class tournament winner.

Nice...

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-02 23:07:36)
Adjudication, forced mate & rules

Hello Marc.

According to the rules, the game has been adjudicated.

I think this is a good moment to discuss this adjudication rule.. (see 11.5 - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html)

Surely it can be improved, but how.. I'd like to have players opinion on what cases (position + time) should be adjudicated or not, so that we find a better & fair compromise.

Any ideas ?

Thibault


Graham Wyborn    (2006-08-02 23:14:20)
Be patient!

Your opponent is not breaking any rules! I have an opponent who has not moved for about 6 weeks. Now with less than 24 hours left on his clock, he goes on holiday! Our opponents can use the time how they like. In the UK you can be arrested for wasting police time, but you cannot be arrested on any chess site for wasting opponents time! If you leave this site, which I hope you will not do, you will come across the same problem on other chess sites.


Roger Weber    (2006-08-03 08:41:42)
Time

Dear Thibault, I had an incident and had to be hospitalized immediately for three weeks. I don't want to go into closer details, but I just got back home a few days ago. As I logged in today I saw that most of my games are running out of time. Would it be possible to extend them? As it would be a shame to just let them end like that. Regards, Roger.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-03 10:49:34)
Special cases (health..) & server rules

Hello Roger !

I hope you are fine now...

I'm afraid that health problems have no reasonable solution, as many people expect from server rules to avoid human factor as much as possible...

A high rated player, also one of the very first registered player on FICGS had this problem too, and I did not find a solution to save his games. We both "resigned".

Anyway, I see that only your games in 1st WCH have been lost on time, and you have been replaced already in the tournament. Even if you are in the waiting list again, you probably couldn't play this WCH, cause several 1200 players are waiting already. Sorry about that :(

Best wishes.

Thibault


Gino Figlio    (2006-08-04 02:55:44)
tricks

Hi Thibault,

Players use tricks to distract the opponent when they suspect they are losing, one of them is offering draws many times, another trick is to delay the game.

I am afraid this rule can be used as another trick by a player losing the game, but still able to call the referee and claim a draw.

If you allow them to do this once a month, even better for them.

I suggest using more strict criteria to call the referee: obvious checkmate or tablebase win...otherwise this rule may be abused to distract the opponent...

Best,

Gino


Graham Wyborn    (2006-08-09 09:24:23)
Missed the point

When I click the game number the screen appears with the game etc. but no (download) button at the bottom of the screen. I need to click the game number button again, then on the second attempt, the (download) button appears. It seems to me that the (download)button should appear on the screen when I first see the game page. Also have problems entering a move after using the (download) button! Anyone else having the same problem, or is it me and my PC! ........................ Great site, keep up the good work!


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-08-09 09:51:47)
Re:

The download button should appear on the first attempt. Your situation seems an exception (having to click twice for the "download" button to appear). Check with Thibault. He might know an answer.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-09 10:49:06)
(download)

Hi there.

Strange problem... I may have seen that before, not sure. Maybe try a 'right click' on (download) then 'save target as'. If it doesn't work, just leave me an email specifying the software / browser you use...


Graham Wyborn    (2006-08-09 21:47:36)
No Problem!

Problem solved. Many thanks!


Samy Ould Ahmed    (2006-08-10 00:06:13)
Vacances

Bonsoir Thibault...

J'ai pris des vacances du 7 au 13...et mon temps s'écoule quand même et je suis même "out of time" dans l'une de mes parties...est ce normal ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-10 11:56:01)
Vacances

Bonjour Samy.

Je confirme que le temps des parties ne s'écoule pas (un simple refresh le démontre)... Et je vois qu'il y a "zeitnot" en effet dans certaines parties. La partie perdue au temps l'a été visiblement juste avant que ces vacances soient prises (et sera adjugée automatiquement)... Désolé, la cadence rapide n'est pas si facile à tenir, je le constate moi même.


Samy Ould Ahmed    (2006-08-10 12:54:08)
Je suis sur...

Qu'il y a eu un bug concernant mes parties, je me connecte plus de 3 fois par jours et juste avant de me mettre en vacances j'avait encore 6 jours dans ma partie perdue au temps et 11 jours dans celle ou il me reste maintenant 1 journée, je me suis mis en vacances differée d'une journée le 6/08. Je joue sur IECG des cadences bien plus serrées (10+1) sans jamais perdre au temps...mais bon ce n'est pas grave.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-10 13:13:58)
Vacances, bug d'aout

Ok, il a pu s'agir effectivement d'un cas extrême. Il y a eu un bug d'affichage après le gros changement du au gel des pendules. Celle ci sont restées exactes, en tout cas non inférieures à la réalité après les jours ajoutés par l'ancienne formule, mais cela a pu mettre certains joueurs ayant pris des vacances (cas présent) en confusion sur la gestion du temps à un mauvais moment. Pour ce cas exceptionnel je rends une journée à la pendule.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-13 15:09:54)
WCH waiting list closed

Hello to all.

It won't be possible to start new WCH tournaments for this first stage.

Total : 21 groups, 2 groups M, 4 knockout quarter final, 169 players playing, about 190 entered the waiting list (replacements, forfeits...)

The waiting list will be closed during a few months.


Graham Wyborn    (2006-08-13 17:32:35)
(download) in Go games!

Recently started playing Go. Similar problem to (download) in chess. If I hoover over the Go (download) button, the ballon reads, "Download this game in PGN format". If I press it, it tries to download game into my chess database!
Can you help? You solved it last time, can you do it again?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-14 12:46:06)
Drag and drop

Hi Charlie :)

Actually this feature should have been implemented already (looks like something essential for a chess server).

No time enough right now, but I'll look for a trick in the next weeks... I only use the text field, so I had forgotten this point ;)


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-08-14 16:46:36)
Activities on the FICGS server

Hello Thibault,

nice statistics! Can you tell us how many of the FICGS members have started to play at least one game of chess, one game of go, and how many haven't started to play any game at all?


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-16 01:47:12)
my only problem is my next move....

...nice to be from germany ;-) Best Regards Benny


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-08-16 02:08:03)
Resign rule

I am informed via email that F. Diego resigned for a loss, in a game he was gonna loose in my opinion. less than 10 moves). That rule is very bad. T hat win has not showed up as a win for me or a loss for him in the tournament standings. Not fair, I sure think this stinks. whats happening here Wayne


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-17 19:42:02)
Ratings ???!!!

Hello, i have a question about the Rating-System here. There are many players here, with an offical FIDE or NATIONAL ratingnumber under 1800. Some of these players have here at FICGS a ratingnumber over 2000 !!! Of course, this is correspondence-chess, but it would be a nice ratingfeature, to include the official FIDE/NATIONAL ratingnumber at the FICS-Ratingformula. Benny


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-20 21:59:53)
TCCMB exhibition match

Game over, John did it well !

http://www.ficgs.com/game_2222.html

I hoped a miracle until the end. The trap did not work, 28.Qd8+ and it was probably a draw... After 28.Qf8+ ! .. I only can resign. Lots of fun :)

I'll look at the next chess thematic tournament (same opening) with interest...

Thanks to John Knudsen for this nice game !


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-20 22:37:05)
How can i send a message to another.....

Hi,

how can i send a messages to another member of FICGS ? Is it only possible by playing with a member move by move, or is there another way ? It would be nice to send a message to anyone anytime.

Benny


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-08-22 03:34:48)
Future Rating

I did not want to post this. I tried to find your e-mail address but could not. How ofton is Future Rating updated. Immediate ? My game 2179 was agreed draw. The result has not appeared in future Rating. It should as I understand it. Future rating for game 2163 was accounted for in future rating. It is the only game (1 game) that is credited. Again wish I could have kept this private via email Thank you Wayne


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-08-22 12:04:09)
Thematic Blackmar

Hi Thibault

I think you should go one move further for the Blackmar thematic tourney (2..dxe4).
In the present definition you will get loads of French and Caro-Kann defences through 2..e6 or 2..c6 !

:-)))

Marc


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-08-22 12:32:21)
Re: Thematic Blackmar......

Hey, Marc & Thibault! Look at this: 1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nxe4 Bf5/Nd7/Nf6 (It's still a Caro-Kahn!). OR 1. d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nc3 e6 4. Nxe4 Nf6/Nd7 (It's still a French Defence!). Haha!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-22 14:36:59)
Re: Thematic Blackmar......

Hi Marc & Dinesh... You're right. Anyway it's too late, already 5 (!) players in the waiting list. So we'll see...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-22 14:45:55)
Future Rating

Hi Wayne.

Reason is game 2179 was not agreed as a draw yet... It's your turn, so you may have forgotten to confirm your move ;)

Future rating is updated instantly.

You can email me at : info [at] ficgs.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-22 14:55:18)
How to know future rating

Hello to all.

A reminder about future rating and personal statistics... You can check it by going into Preferences, click on the picture just after your chess rating, a new window will appear, then click on "elo"... Several pages with different informations will be displayed.

You can check these informations for any player, by clicking on this pic in the rating list.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-22 16:48:47)
Thematic Blackmar : 1 day !

Obviously, you were interested in playing Blackmar thematic tournament. The waiting list has been completed in only 1 day :)

I'll try to find more openings like this one...


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-22 17:48:09)
I prefer the following Gambit

Ok, here my idea, for one of the following thematic tourneys.

The Goering Gambit:

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.d4 exd4
4.c3 dxc3
5.Nxc3

This Gambit is full of great tactical play.

Benny


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-22 18:15:39)
Private messages

I don't think a kind of webmail could be really useful... Emails could be displayed (player's choice) for connected players only. What do you think ?


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-22 19:18:37)
New Thematic - Tourney Trompowsky !

Hi,

since 3 days i have the Chessbase DVD "The Trompowsky - The easy way" (http://www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp?pid=249&user=&coin=). Thank you for starting a thematic tornament with the Trompowsky-Opening. The right time, to test my knowledge about the DVD.

Benny


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-22 19:52:28)
Thematic tournaments & King's gambit

Danish gambit and scotch gambit have been played already. (not far)

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000005
FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000006

I'll keep the idea...

Where did you see that king's gambit is not playable ??? Disproved doesn't mean anything IMO... (& this is probably the most known chess 'troll' :))


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-22 20:12:07)
Disproved

Ok,

i got my knowledge by GM Roman Dzindzihasvili's Video-Tapes, some studys and a lot of played games of Kings Gambit. Latvian isn't good too. I think, with a good computer and a good knowledge about kings gambit, the minimum what black can reach is a draw. If white play latvian, black will win ever. Latvian Gambit is so easy to calculate with a computer. Black has from the beginning on, no move-options.

But we can try both desasters in a thematic-tourney.

Benny


Don Groves    (2006-08-24 00:39:25)
re: private messages

ICCF allows this by keeping finished games in a players current game list until the player decides to remove it. This way players can continue to exchange messages about their game until at least one decides to stop. -- Don


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-24 01:56:40)
rapid tourneys

Hello Jay.

No, 1 day / move is the increment added to the clock after each move ! But your clock is 30 days at start, so you have time ;)


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-24 13:00:07)
Premove ?

Hi,

a premove-feature would be very nice, were i can klick on my opponents figures and tell the interface > If my opponent play THIS, then i play THIS. Good idea or bad idea ?

Benny


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-24 13:31:19)
Premove (conditional moves)

Hi Benjamin.

Conditional moves was one of the first features expected and discussed here... I'm still not sure it is a good idea. Of course it may save time in forced sequences, but there are some controversial issues (see previous discussions with Glen about chess servers) about time and holidays. Anyway, the truth is it's a major change, and I've too many things to do right now :/


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-08-24 14:01:52)
Re: Premove (conditional moves).....

I think such issues as CONDITIONAL MOVES & VACATION TIME ALLOWED are sure to be debated in the future too. Some sites allow conditional moves , some don't. Some sites allow vacation time of 30 or 30+ days per year per tournament (and sometimes even special leave), some sites don't. These issues are sure to be hotly debated for a long time.


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-08-25 13:08:31)
bug: en-passant captures

In the ongoing games of players Herr, Jeff v Sarihan, Sefa FICGS_CHESS_RAPID_C_000004 and FIGCS_CHESS_CLASS_G_000003 there is an "en-passant" capture (move 10.dxc6) which is not allowed by the chess rules (as I know them, maybe FIDE Congress has already changed them ;) The pawn c was first moved to c6 (3...c6) and then to c5 (9...c5) Somehow, the player Herr managed to capture the pawn by playing 10.dxc6 after 9...c5, which was accepted by both the player Sarihan and the interface ..(!?!) And the same happened in the game Ducreux, Regis v Sarihan, Sefa FIGCS_CHESS_CLASS_F_000007, this time pawn c was moved twice again (2...c6 and 10...c5) and captured ("of course") by 11. dxc6.. 8()


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-26 01:37:37)
"NEW" Opening Idea !

Hello,

i would be very happy, to see the following line in a thematic opening tourney:

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Bc5
4.c3 Nf6
5.d4 exd4
6.cxd4 Bb4+
7.Nc3 Nxe4
8.0-0 0-0!

ok folks, i am searching for this line in my database and found just a handfull games, played by low rated players. I am searching in many books for this line, but i found nothing ! I've analysed this line and i believe, this line is good for BLACK ! What do you think about this line ??? Do you see more than me ? Do you have any GM-Commentary about this line ? Maybe in an ebook or something else ? Please help me to find the answer, why this line is never played by some very good players. It would be helpful, to start a thematic-tourney'bout this nice line.

Benny


Ryaad Aabid    (2006-08-27 14:33:55)
CheckMate = Not lost yet

FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_C__000006 (type : rated round-robin , increment : 40 days / 10 moves) Game 972 Hi! The mentioned game is still at my games list ! Thanks for your attention. Ryaad


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-27 14:49:29)
CheckMate = Not lost yet

Hello Ryaad.

"Reminder : Chess games are not adjudicated automatically if a player is checkmated. You still have to resign (rules)."

Kind regards.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-28 13:25:31)
bug: en-passant captures

Hello Jay.

That's right, I obviously lost my brain somewhere :/

I can't deal with this problem today, but it will probably be fixed wednesday (clocks will be corrected). Sorry about that..


Julien Baudement    (2006-08-28 17:21:40)
Go rules : no pass option

A little problem with the go games : It's possible to move, to resign, but not to pass. I remember that it was extisting before because one of my opponents did it! Thibaut: je t'aurai... dans quelques années mr Kobayashi m'a suggéré un site pour se perfectionner !


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-08-28 17:49:49)
take it easy

Hey Thibault,

take it easy and solve the problems step by step ;-) No one runs away from here 8-]

Benny


Julien Baudement    (2006-08-29 09:28:34)
Tanks for theh answer

I'll try that !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-29 13:41:42)
Go (re -> Julien)

Salut Julien !

Je n'en doute pas... Et surement avant quelques années... Tetsuya pourrait sans doute nous en apprendre un long morceau à tous les deux sur le jeu de Go :)


Julien Baudement    (2006-08-29 19:44:00)
Go (re ->Thibault de Vassal)

Ou bien il bluffe, ou bien il est très fort car il m'a assez rapidement demandé si je connaissait les règles ! Pourtant, je n'avais pas particulièrement l'impression de jouer mal !! Une petite question technique, comme dans lesègles usuelles, après qu'on ait pass 2x, on décompte les points, c'es fait automatiquement ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-31 01:51:59)
Go (re -> Julien)

Points are not counted automatically in Go games (not possible), even after both players pass... Players may discuss the score by passing more than 2 times, but in all cases one of them has to resign to end the game (or call referee in case of disagreement)...

About your Go games, I saw you use a personal strategy quite far from theory (basically corners, bands, then center)... Original one, but it will be hard, undoublty :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-31 03:07:33)
bug: en-passant captures

Hello Jay and Benjamin.

Problem is solved.

No link with the previous bug, just forgot to correct the chess 960 case.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-08-31 03:16:24)
New best game...

Finally, we have a new "best game", after about 2 months of clear domination by chess game 342...

Game 2198, from the scotch gambit chess thematic tournament, is a funny King's hunt :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-01 17:37:52)
FICGS titles update

This site will work by itself soon... :)

Thanks Benjamin. I'll post soon again about the council/staff, moderators etc.. Feel free to tell me if you're interested ;)

About titles, I'll add that players who will get a FICGS title could probably have one at ICCF, so they're invited to try...


The first norms calculation just occured. Here are the result(s) :

FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_M__000001 : Zubac, Marius EM=1,IM=1


Charlie Neil    (2006-09-02 21:49:18)
why do you play corr chess

i play corr chess as i don't go to chess clubs as i work shifts and can't devote a single night off the same day in every week. also i pause at the board smoking cigarettes drinking coffee and have music playing in the background, ( most of the time dressed in my pyjamas). the corr chess players you meet can be some nice people who are usually polite and chessfriends. and the rude ones you can ignore. of course you have the time to study a game a bit longer before making that blunder. i am learning and re-learning chess all the time. at the moment i am playing from memory after finding using books confusing when i got to the end of the line. i feel sorry for those people who use databases/computers for their moves as in the end they are cheating themselves out using their own brain, there is an old saying, "cheats don't prosper" i believe it to be true. Chess is the best and the most terrible game in the world.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-03 14:04:49)
Re:

All the players I've come across on FICGS are quite friendly: 1. Some of them keep a good chess conversation going. 2. Some of them ask & answer questions. Oh, I almost forgot! 3. A few say nothing at all.... absolutely nothing..... silent mode.


Joachim Nettelbeck    (2006-09-03 16:33:42)
First mover loses

I think that besides the entry fees there is areason, why nobody seems to enter these tournaments: First mover loses! When I see someone with, let's say, a rating of 2000 has entered a tournament, and I'm below that, I will never enter it, too. Not if it's about money. So only people with higher ratings will enter, and the first mover is likely to lose his money. Thus nobody enters first. There is a procedure needed which guarantees that the opponents in this kind of tournaments are close to each other in their rating. Or at least the ones who enter will need to be invisible...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-03 16:45:33)
Re: First mover loses

Hello Joachim.

"why nobody seems to enter these tournaments" : first because they are not open yet :)

As I said, this is only an example. New categories will be created, with formulas as simple and fair as possible, and other ones that could allow to low-rated players to meet strong titled players...

Anyway, all suggestions are welcome.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-09-04 10:51:45)
To Charlie on cheaters ...

Hi Charlie

I completely agree with the first sentences of your post, but I cannot accept the second part of it.
I use computers, and books, and databases and lots of prepared personal analyses for my games here.
I do not accept to be called a cheater : this is explicitly allowed by the rules here, and it is even one of the main reasons for which I joined this association.
There are lots of other sites where computer use is forbidden : you can for sure play there and complain when you will guess that your opponent is making use of electronic assistance, but not here.
Moreover for me it is pure shortness of sight if you are not able to imagine that playing with computer help can be both creative and even fascinating.
Take any of your games and do a quick analysis with several chess programs : you will see that for a large majority of positions they completely disagree on which is the best move to play. The human touch is critically decisive when playing with computer help.
And resulting games are far more complicated and interesting in my eyes.
Another point is that for myself I prefer that my opponents do not spoil an interesting game for which I have spent hours and hours of analysis along weeks of play through a stupid human blunder that ends it all suddenly.
I do pretty well understand that you prefer to play on your own. But what is the problem if you have a computer-assisted opponent? Either you will loose and will maybe learn something either you will win and it will be a pretty good achievement. And surely it will be a better game. The only problem I can see is the possible frustration not to be able to win many games.
Then I repeat : go on another site where computer assistance is forbidden. But I have to say that having played on such sites for years you will find _many_ cheaters... Pure human play cannot be enforced ...

But please stop saying that players like myself are cheaters and poor ignorants.
It is sure we play a different game but why should you be entitled to say that mine is worse than yours?


Regards

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-04 16:42:15)
Re: Clock running while on holidays

Hello David.

There shouldn't be other problems since the clock display bug at the beginning of august... I send you an email to check this.

Best regards. Thibault


Charlie Neil    (2006-09-05 09:50:08)
why play corr-chess

Marc, excuse me I didn't make the difference between chess engines/databases and someone playing straight moves straight off their own computer. Yes, use books and databases that's what they are there for. But I feel sorry for the individual who relies solely on their computer to play their games for them. It is a bit like taking a fork lift to a weight lifting competition. The use of computers and servers is still relatively new to me. There are sites that ban the use of computers. but who is to know who is using their computer in an illegal way? There can be no profit for them or enjoyment in the game. It is good that FICGS has this forum for free discussion. I enjoyed reading "The future for Corr-chess" thread. There has always been points in time when it has been discussed that chess has "burnt-out" and the game will die off. I don't think that will ever happen in light of the passion for this terrible game expressed in all these forums. So, forgive an ignorant "free-range" "organic" chessfriend for not being clear about the differences about databases and computer-slaves who rely on their machines. The game is the thing. ( and maybe just maybe I wasn't drinking just coffee the time I posted the cheats slur...:-/)


Dirk Ghysens    (2006-09-05 12:16:53)
Time control in thematics

How about time controls in thematic tournaments? Suppose the first 12 moves are "given": are there still 40 days for the first 10 moves then?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-05 12:42:18)
Time control in thematics + Winning time

Hello Dirk & Ulrich

That's a good remark ! .. The program wouldn't add these first 40 days in thematic tournaments, as move 10 has already been played. Anyway that's fair IMO and not so important with this slow time control.

Ulrich, the answer is yes, the faster you play, the more time you save for the rest of the game...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-05 12:58:56)
Major update : your feelings ?

Hello to all.

There has been several changes these last days to optimize the access to the database... as it grows quicky :)

A major update just occured to speed up the display of all games. (Google and other search engines may slow down the whole server sometimes) The effects should appear gradually.

Feel free to post here if you observe any problem or change, or on the speed of the server in general (please specify the speed of your computer & internet connection)

Thanks in advance ! :)

Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-05 17:07:17)
Time to display all informations

Hmm.. That's a real problem :/

Could you tell me more about your processor / browser / internet speed ?
(by email if you prefer)

Thanks !


Karlheinz Weber    (2006-09-05 20:09:23)
Translation

I could read this quite some times and I never realized that this means "draw offered"! And continued the game without saying a word....!!! (Please dear opponents, excuse me!) Please write: "Ich biete Remis"!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-06 03:41:02)
Time to display all informations

It seems complications did not begin yet... :)

Heinz-Georg, could you try a last time to load the tournament (with boards) page ? It should run 'a bit' faster now... Thanks !


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2006-09-06 14:16:25)
Time to display all informations

yes, it is much faster than the first version.

Two remarks:

- The reflection time also is shown if the game is already ended - and the time goes on.
- What does it mean if a text stands above the diagram? Example: in the game 1626 (FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_12__000001) I can read "ok".


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-06 15:43:12)
FIDE WCH : Kramnik vs. Topalov

Do you believe it ? .. now it's most probably almost sure :-)

We'll have a new FIDE-Classical world champion in a few weeks !

A reminder : This will be a 12-games match, taking place from September 21 to October 13 in the capital of Kalmykia (whose president is FIDE president : Kirsan Ilyumzhinov himself), Elista. In case of equality, four rapid games will be played, if equality again two blitz games will be played and finally a sudden death blitz game. The prize fund of one million US dollars will be equally divided between Vladimir Kramnik and Veselin Topalov, whatever the result. The looser won't play the next world championship tournament (quite strange).

Anyway, that's a great thing for chess, even if I'm not very optimistic for the next FIDE world championship cycles, particularly if the world champion has to play a knockout tournament, instead of a classical 12 or 24 games match...

My favourite in this match is still Kramnik because of his style, but Topalov is really getting stronger IMO... It will be a hard match !

Any predictions about the result & games ? .. Will Vladimir Kramnik play his Berlin defense in the Ruy Lopez again...


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-06 18:07:31)
Re:

I don't think Kram. will repeat it again. He's a very shrewd, master strategist. He'll keep Top. guessing. He would have found a weak point in Top. by now & aim to exploit it to the hilt. Experience in this sort of stage is on Kram.'s side because he has already faced the likes of Kasp. in lengthy battles. He even had the tenacity to win a last crucial game against Leko, if you remember. Kram. fears no one.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-06 23:44:33)
Vladimir Kramnik vs. Peter Leko

Hi Dinesh.

I still can't explain myself this incredible outcome in Brissago. First, this "extraordinary" Marshall gambit, Leko leading the whole match... At last Kramnik winning the very last game. Then Peter Leko smiling, just saying (~) : "I'm glad about my play." .. and that's finished.

It just reminded me the second match Kasparov vs. Deep Blue ...

Anyway, it's always time to be paranoid :-)


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-07 06:40:18)
Re:

I'm almost certain that Kram. will dump the 1.e4 opening, as his only Achille's Heel seems to be all out tactics (which Top. is brilliant at), and some blunders (but that was when he was ill). Regarding Leko.......he might fancy his chances if he meets Kram. again, but I don't see any sorta match up, as Anand is waiting in the wings to have a shot at either Kram. or Top.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-07 13:12:14)
Re: Best game......

Thibault, I think that's a good idea! ( There are hundreds & hundreds of chess players at IECG, but only a handful seem to be voting! )


Mladen Jankovic    (2006-09-07 17:26:38)
Seen Shogi, sounds interesting

I've seen Shogi before, but i didn't play more than few moves. Shogi is actualy a family of variants, board sizes range from 4*5, to 36*36. I had a program once that handled a number of variants (I probably still have it somewhere). I read something about the Chinese Chess, it sounds interesting, the computers have not realy mastered it yet, and it seems somewhat slower than the regular Chess. I'm not realy sure how one can play corespondence Backgammon (I prefer Tavli).


Ron Keyston    (2006-09-07 18:41:14)
Wikichess Bug

Hi Thibault, I just put the Lasker Trap of the Albin Countergambit into Wikichess and every move after fxg1=N+ now starts with fxg1=...not sure what the problem is. Thanks, Ron Keyston


Lionel Vidal    (2006-09-08 16:58:11)
ChuShogi would get my vote.

ChuShogi is by far my favorite chess-like game: as deep as Go strategically, more profound than chess tactically (at least on par with big chess) and great fun to play. Like Go a very elaborate handicap system does exist.
Its main drawback is that, just like go, you have to invest some time to learn it to fully appreciate the game: chess, xianqi or even shogi are maybe more immediately grasped by beginners while in ChuShogi or in Go, it may take a few games (or more likely many games) before you realise what you should strive to do or not to do, and what that &#@@# game is all about :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-08 18:10:52)
Chess tournament : Zero-sum or not ?

While discussing about Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", and the question "Is the best player always the champion ?" (of course not IMO) , I was argued that any chess tournament "was" (actually could be "reduced to") a zero-sum game :

"In 1944 John von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern proved that any zero-sum game involving n players is in fact a generalised form of a zero-sum game for two persons, and that any non-zero-sum game for n players can be reduced to a zero-sum game for n + 1 players; the (n + 1) player representing the global profit or loss. This suggests that the zero-sum game for two players forms the essential core of mathematical game theory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_sum_game

It seems to me that it's out of topic, but I couldn't say exactly why... In my opinion, a tournament is nearer life than game, at least quite far from it. Much more rules, often complex ones, and results that depend on many parameters you couldn't influence...

The word "champion" depends on accurate rules (the best player could finish 2nd, even if he wins all games ie. in an open tournament..), the "best player" depends on general opinion (most commonly through ratings), ie. Topalov vs. Kasparov ...

What do you think ? :-)


Where the discussion started from :

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060907/sirlin_01.shtml

I agree with many points about how to win, but the use of some words seems to be dubious...

I like much this quote :

"I was surprised to see that Capablanca did not initiate any active maneuvers and instead adopted a waiting game. In the end, his opponent made an imprecise move; the Cuban won a second pawn and soon the game. “Why didn’t you try to convert your material advantage straight away?” I ventured to ask the great chess virtuoso. He smiled indulgently. “It was more practical to wait.” "

—Mikhail Botvinnik, 6th World Chess Champion


Don Groves    (2006-09-09 08:30:21)
Second vote for Backgammon

Like Chess and Go, Backgammon is an ancient game. Also it is a game with an element of chance but one where strategy and tactics can overcome bad luck.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-09-09 10:40:13)
arimaa ?!

Arimaa may be a good choice too: it may be played on a chessboard, it is deep, fun and invented precisely to make any computer ridiculous :-) (Just like with Go and ChuShogi it is a very satisfying ego-boost-experience to feel vastly superior once in a while to even the best silicon brains :-))
And another point is that I don't know any site where you could play correpondence arimaa with a server. (whereas you can play Go or Chusogi at pbem server for instance... with even a graphical interface but not as comfortable as FICGS!)
Oh but wait... if you add a game, you'll have to change the name FICGS ? :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-11 13:38:25)
Openings

It could be fair in tournament cases (but without any interest, just a thematic tournament more). But it couldn't have any sense in a 1 game match. That's the problem...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-11 13:49:05)
OTB idea

Hi Gino.

I thought about that, but it seems really unfair.. It depends too much on player's availability, so chances wouldn't be equal for sure.


Mladen Jankovic    (2006-09-11 14:15:22)
Tavli

Tavli is actualy three games. One of them is nearly identical to Backgammon (that would be Portes). The other two are Plakoto (my favourite) and Fevga (that's one primitive game).


Ulrich Imbeck    (2006-09-11 14:15:48)
Gambits

Dear Thibault, your examples were strange. Let's have a look to employments of normal freaks like Bücker. Let's have a look to Gambit variations in the Blackmar-Diemer like 5.Dxf3 or in the Kings Gambit.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-11 14:16:54)
Re:

If the one game is tied, have a very short game (perhaps 5 days or less each with Fisher time increment!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-11 14:40:57)
Chance & casino games

Hi Dinesh.

Problem is FICGS shouldn't become a casino.. (with stud poker, blackjack, roulette or whatever chancy game like this :)) It's legally difficult already to organize tournaments with prizes for "mental sports"... Adding confusion may create some problems.


Mladen Jankovic    (2006-09-11 17:18:34)
Big chess name

The name of Big chess seems to be taken by an older variant, see: http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/big-chess.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-11 17:44:05)
Big chess name

There are probably other chess variants called 'Big Chess'. I remember another one on a big board with many pieces and start positions decided by both players, putting pieces on their half board... Anyway, this variant looks strange to me.


Ron Keyston    (2006-09-12 00:01:50)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

I think a Thematic Tournament based on the Traxler Counterattack would be interesting: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-12 01:08:25)
Traxler Counterattack

Hello Ron.

That's an interesting opening... Ok, we'll use it for the next thematic tournament...

Thematic tournaments waiting lists are filled quickly now.. but often by the same players. Maybe we should propose some boring openings too, to help them to have a rest & slow down the rhythm... :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-12 03:42:57)
Match FICGS vs. GameKnot

Dear chessfriends, a match FICGS vs. GameKnot may start in a few weeks ! The idea is to oppose players in different rating categories (1200 to 2400+ elo), playing one game with Black on FICGS, one game with White on GameKnot.com ... Please send an email to info (at) ficgs.com (specifying your name) if you're interested. More info in a few days & weeks...

It seems that many players from GameKnot want to play this match, we need a large team ! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-12 12:55:06)
Scoring function for Go

Hello to all.

I'll add in a few days a scoring function for Go games. Players could retire dead groups, then the program just covers the board (line after line & column after column to compare) and adds empty spaces points to the stones that surround it. The aim is to give an evaluation of the position only, not to decide the result automatically.

Just tell me if you have an idea about a better algorithm, as I realize the difficulty of programming Go.

Thanks in advance ! ;)


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-09-12 13:19:57)
Math... *sigh*

LOL Thibault, I guess it was.

I'm no mathematician (far from it), but I don't think that this theory will turn out to be true anytime in the near future, even in a "predictable" game like chess. Even chess engines depend on the skill of their programmers to find new ways to make their search algorithms become reliable and faster, and tablebase development is still petabytes away from being complete.

Anyway, I guess the future generations will have to tell us if it worked or not. Only God knows what can get in the way of this "gaming nirvana" as they call, and after I heard that it was proven possible that a computer user can subconciously influenciate the way an idle machine performs, I don't feel like trying to impersonate Baba Vanga on this subject! ;)


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-09-14 05:19:28)
Greetings from GameKnot :)

Hello friends, my name is Thomas, and I am the representative from GameKnot. We look forward to playing a match against you! GameKnot has played two matches vs. other sites in the past, and we have enjoyed the competition very much. It is my sincere hope that we can pull this thing off! As FICGS is a newer site with a smaller community than ours, we hope that you guys can field a team of approximately 12-20 players of ALL ratings ranges. We intend to put up at least 2 players in each of 7 ratings classes (U2400, U2200, U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, and U1200). The rules of the match are currently being negotiated between Thibault and myself, and we would like to commence as soon as possible. I highly encourage the members of FICGS to participate, as these matches are a lot of fun! You guys will get a chance to visit our site, and we yours. Please contact Thibault and sign on! We look forward to seeing you OTB :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-14 12:12:22)
Re: Latvian Gambit

Hey Benny !

That's ok ! .. Maybe you should try not to register for another thematic tournament (that's not the reason why waiting list is closed right now ;)) before to kill Latvian gambit... :> You're definitely a fanatic ! :)


Miguel Pires    (2006-09-14 15:33:01)
whay databases

whay databases are prohibited? in GK we can use them. Regard's Miguel Pires


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-15 01:46:29)
Chess databases / tablebases

Ok, I was confused.. Chess database and tablebases / "chess programs"...

Anyway, I suppose we can use any rules if it's clearly specified, that's not a problem. However, for just more fun, I would suggest games without any kind of assistance... Games could be just more human & original :)

What do you think ?


Miguel Pires    (2006-09-15 02:50:58)
well

you are the boss, if say soo, for me is ok. But for shure some not going to do that. And now we have a big problem, the OTB Vs CC rating. Cairo from GK have an elo in OTB +2300, mor or less the same at GK an ICCF, but others, the thing's are different. Like me, i'm a +1700 in otb, and + 2000 in this site, and in GK i'm a +1900 (a lot of timeouts put my rating in 1756 now). soo playng in CC without any help (databases like i play in GK) is hard to play at + 2000. And we need players with good OTB rating's to. Like i say, you are the boss. what time controls we going to use?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-15 17:09:17)
Scoring function for Go

The scoring function for Go is now online !

When you are to play your move, there's a (Score) link under the Goban, that leads to the score page. Just enter a stone coordinates (ie. f14) for each group to remove, separated by space or coma, then Submit.

The score is calculated by covering the board horizontally, then vertically... If the two results are near from each other, the estimation may be quite good. Empty points between black stones and white stones are shared !


Here is an example - http://www.ficgs.com/game_814.html

Game 814, removed groups : m19 l16 f13 d11 f7 g4 k4 b5


Scoring method : Horizontally
Black points : 240 White points : 106 Unknown points : 15

* Scoring method : Vertically
Black points : 238 White points : 102 Unknown points : 21


Black wins the game by about 135 points.

Reminder : This program doesn't decide the game, it gives an evaluation only !! .. It's up to the players to discuss the score, then resign.

All feedbacks welcome !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-15 20:17:44)
two moves from the start

"White has a 2/3 (66%) chance to win, and 1/3 (34%) to draw" ?? ... you mean "to draw or loose" ?

Great idea, this move 0. Statistically, this is quite the same for : 1.Nf3 d5 2.Ng1 ... but 66% wins for Black seems a lot !? .. I would say about 40 to 50%, maybe less.

So, what chances for 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 Ng8 .. ?

And what about 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 Ng8 3.e4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Ng8 .. ? :)


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-09-16 10:54:22)
2-games matches

The test ground could be 2-games matches between weak v weak, weak v strong, and strong v strong players(*in the ELO sense) : in the first game, the player has odds of two moves, in the second, he must defend the side with two moves down..

This could shed more light into this scheme..


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-16 12:13:33)
Go rules (playing rules)

Hello Don.

I just updated the 'Help' page, to find easily the good links.

Playing rules for Go (2006 september 16) : "Rules for Go are chinese rules, as defined by the Chinese Weiqi Association. (...) Scoring method is area scoring with chinese counting. Positional superko rule apply. Komi is 7.5 points."

Chinese rules - http://senseis.xmp.net/?Chineserules

Feel free if you have any question.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-16 12:24:20)
2-games matches

Well, why not such a thematic tournament soon (after Traxler)... The one with opening :

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 Ng8 3.e4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Ng8

.. is 100% wins for White so far !


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-09-16 15:14:06)
5 moves in fact

..just checked the thematic tournament 0007 on this sequence, and in fact White has 5(!) extra moves at the starting position (as it's his turn after 4.Ng8). No surprise most of the games are 1-0 (there are a couple of 0-1 too)

So 5 moves are too much; same would be for 4, or 3,..to me 2 moves it's a reasonable deal for Black (i.e. if draw Black "wins")


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-09-16 23:46:58)
Udate from GameKnot:

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up as to the players from my site that are being CONSIDERED for playing in the match. As ratings fluctuate, I have simply rounded and given approximate strength: mateintwo - 2400+ cyrano - 2400+ cairo - 2300+ fmgaigin - 2300+ drdesoto - 2300+ papani - 2300+ harlekin - 2300+ nestorix - 2300+ drunken_rabbit - 2200+ kumpan - 2200+ grandpatzer - 2200+ os5213 - 2200+ carlosmart - 2200+ chrisp - 2100+ nottop - 2100+ gloomy_den - 1900+ thumper - 1700+ gwalchmai - 1600+ tugger - 1600+ yanm - 1500+ mattw - 1500+ patagusto - 1500+ tag1153 - 1400+ cjjpeterson - 1400+ simian9 - 1400+ eqj2 - 1400+ hollcanna - 1300+ dewillget8 - 1200+ mozz - 1200+ These GameKnot players have expressed an interest in playing. More will sign on I'm sure, as I have set Oct 1, 2006 as the sign up deadline. I will put together our team during the first week of October, and will be ready to commence play by the second week of October. During the interim, Thibault and I will finalize the details of the match. I realize that this short list is very master and expert heavy, but have no worries - I will be contacting more of our A, B, C, and D class players and asking them to participate. We look forward to the match:) Thomas


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-17 00:25:59)
Comments at resignation

Hi Nigel.

Ok... I just made this update : Any updated public comment will be forwarded by email to your opponent, so that you can discuss after the game...


Don Groves    (2006-09-17 08:48:46)
Good!

This partially resolves the "not being able to readily communicate with others" problem.


Claude Brisson    (2006-09-18 06:40:34)
Problem with Go scorer

Hello.
Nice effort to have a go scorer, but it still needs some improvements.

Look at this game:
http://www.ficgs.com/game_2093.html

After move 138, there isn't any ambiguity on the goban.
After removing dead groups,
q1 t3 k3 s5 t9 s10 q11 h11 t12 p12 h15 t16 f16
all the intersections are either black or white.
The scoring methods says:

* Scoring method : Horizontally
Black points : 103
White points : 244
Unknown points : 14

* Scoring method : Vertically
Black points : 103
White points : 268
Unknown points : -10

Rather strange. Scores should be the same. Where do those unknown points come from?

Thanks,

Claude



Dirk Ghysens    (2006-09-18 10:33:56)
Not all, Henri

I know of two exceptions: 1. Yelena Dembo, FIDE rating 2466, WGM, IM, and a GM norm; rating at Gameknot 1775; 2. Marius Ceteras, FIDE rating 2427, FM (he missed IM title due to a strange decision by FIDE officials), very well-known correspondence chess personality, chess publisher, organiser etc.; rating at Gameknot 1740 (not in top 2000 there and loses regularly against 1800 rated patzers). Unfortunately Yelena Dembo is no longer playing at Gameknot; they threw her out. Also Marius Ceteras has no ongoing games there during the past month. So you may be right after all: most players above 1600 are using a chess engine (except the WIMs, WGMs, FMs, and IMs rated below 1800), and certainly all players above 1800 (with one possible exception, a WIM from Holland/Russia, who managed a rating slightly above 1800, but she got thrown out also, for being a nuisance). BTW, it boggles my mind why the use of tablebases is allowed there; unlike engines, tablebases tell you the perfect move to play and what the outcome will be with 100% certainty.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-09-18 11:22:31)
Computer use

I completely agree with H Muller.
In most web-based sites where computer use is forbidden most high-rated players do actually use them.
The most intriguing example is the very well organised www.playchess.de (not related to Chessbase server) where there are two different sections with respectively computer use allowed and forbidden : there are much more players in the "computer forbidden" section but almost all high-rated players in this section are cheaters (I was one of them and I left because I began to fell disgusted with this necessity to cheat for not being crushed).
That's why I came here and that's also why I will not in any case join the team for the match against GameKnot (or others) if the rules are not modified.

Marc


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-09-18 12:55:35)
My friends at FICGS:

I am a little concerned, yet understanding, of your feelings about the possibility of cheating in our proposed match. Please understand that there are two sides to the suspicion coin. For those of you who are not familiar with the GameKnot website, let me assure you that I will only be putting up players who I am familiar with, and who have proven themselves to play honorably. I am a three year veteran of GameKnot, and play on the site daily. I will be selecting my team from players whom I feel confident will conduct themselves within the rules we agree on. The intent of arranging this match is NOT to simply put up all of our master level players and attempt to whitewash you guys 100-0. The intent is to provide as MANY matches of ALL ratings ranges for a fun, competetive match. If we lose every match we will have no hard feelings towards you. As the game results in our proposed match will have no bearing on ratings changes, we view the match as a simple, friendly exercise. So, having said all of that, we hope that FICGS will offer up as many people as possible, and Thibault and myself will pair them with my guys in such a way that is FAIR and equitable to both sides. Should anyone here at FICGS have any questions, please feel free to post them here or in the GameKnot forum (in the GameKnot Related threads). Thanks:) - Thomas


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-18 13:32:15)
Re:

Hey, Thomas! That was nicely said. As it's a friendly match, I think the right spirit of sportsmanship will prevail. By the way, why were some players thrown out of GameKnot?!? When you say some of them were a "nuisance", what exactly did they do?!? I don't think a single player of FICGS has so far been thrown out by FICGS officials.


James Stripes    (2006-09-18 13:46:35)
excessive fears

Of course cheating is always a danger, but I doubt more than a small minority of players do it. Chess appeals to those who enjoy solving problems more than to those who need to maintain a artificial number (rating) alongside a fictitious name. Cheaters likely lose interest fairly quickly. I've played at GameKnot and many similar sites. If any more than a half-dozen of my 300 or so opponents were cheating, they were doing so badly.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-18 14:00:30)
FICGS vs. GameKnot

Thomas :

I agree with you, the match is for fun only, I like the idea whatever the result, even 100-0 :) .. If players use engines, their problem.. we can't avoid the risk totally... I think it's more logical to prohibite databases too or to allow both databases and chess engines, playing "real correspondence chess", and we could have a larger team for sure... Still discussing.


Miguel :

I prefer to avoid to "mail" everyone about the match.. It's clearly announced in the news, so I think most players here are "more CC ones" and don't trust the no use of engines...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-18 14:03:51)
Comments at resignation

Hi Nigel.

I mean, using the "Public comment" text area at the bottom of the viewer / move page (the first page when you're to make a move).. There are 2 fields : "Personal notes" and "Public comment". The public comment appears to all and will be emailed to your opponent !

Best regards.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-18 14:16:52)
Problem with Go scorer

Hello Claude.

That's strange !? .. I just tried with the same groups :

q1 t3 k3 s5 t9 s10 q11 h11 t12 p12 h15 t16 f16


Here is the result :

* Scoring method : Horizontally
Black points : 103 White points : 254 Unknown points : 4

* Scoring method : Vertically
Black points : 103 White points : 258 Unknown points : 0

Could you try again (copy-pasting the groups) ? I can't find the problem...

Thanks in advance.


James Stripes    (2006-09-18 15:56:13)
27 years ago

When I first played correspondence chess, books were encouraged and the few chess engines in existence were garbage. Good quality engines and comprehensive databases have changed the nature of correspondence play. Nearly everyone permits databases (electronic books), although endgame tablebases are less clear. Engines are permitted some places, while banned others. This site is my first foray into CC where engine use is permitted, but I've played at dozens of sites where I can use databases. (I don't believe I've ever reached a position in which tablebases would be useful, except a few elementary positions that any average player could win against Kramnik.) These inter-site matches, it seems to me, nurture connections across the broad community of correspondence players--a rapidly expanding coterie of chess aficionados thanks to the likes of GameKnot and similar sites.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-09-19 11:45:18)
A tool for knowing each others' chess

In the "classement" page (the one that lists all current members), it could be nice to have two additional columns :
Finished games
Running games
giving the number of games the player is involved with


And (ideally?) clicking on one of the numbers could lead to a listing of the corresponding games in PGN? :-)

It could be a nice tool for knowing who is who, who plays what, who is active or not.

Your opinion ?

Marc


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-19 11:54:41)
Re:

Marc, I think more important than that is listing whether a member is male or female. That seems to be missing.


Peter Schuster    (2006-09-19 12:19:52)
Solved

I must klick "move" with an empty move and now I can accept the draw offer.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-19 13:17:44)
Solved

Thanks Peter ! :)

Most often (if problem with draw or resign), players forget to click the "move" or "confirm" button.


Jaimie Wilson    (2006-09-19 14:28:46)
match GameKnot-FICGS

Here at FICGS, real names have to be supplied. This gives FICGS a human element that encourages honour and sportsmanship and in my opinion gives this site a clear edge over its rivals.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-19 15:03:13)
Computer use on GameKnot......

I just read GameKnot forum about the FICGS vs. GameKnot match :

http://gameknot.com/fmsg/chess3/3860.shtml

It seems to me this question of computer use on GameKnot is quite out of topic (and on the wrong forum)... I proposed to GameKnot rep (Thomas) to prohibite any computer assistance (engines + databases) for the match or to simply authorize it, as I think more players from FICGS would play, and surely players from GameKnot too... Then everyone is free to play, accepting the rules and the risk of cheating (quite small IMO), but it's up to I & Thomas to deal with that. This debate shouldn't happen here IMHO.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-09-19 16:21:14)
Thematic tournament 14

IMO - after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 white has easy win: Nxf7 and Nxh8. Exchange and pawn more. May be it is possible to put 4.. d5 instead of 4.. Bc5?! No one is in the waiting list yet. Cirulis


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-19 18:42:49)
Really?

Waiting for your reply : 12.Qb3 O-O-O

You entered so many lines I don't know which one to play :) .. but you can see it's not so easy. I think this thematic tournament will be interesting.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-09-19 19:10:56)
Really!

Yes! It is not easy to win. But white wins, i still think. OK - you interested me in that thematic. I will join! And, I am sure, I will all white games. :D


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-09-19 19:42:56)
FICGS correspondence chess database

That's a great improvement on the former listing of un/finished games (somehow it took ages to load those pages on my PC).

Now why is it that it will be updated 'at least' every 2 months, not daily as the former pages? (assuming fetching all the PGN scores into a single PGN file is done automatically by a script) Thanks


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-09-19 19:53:35)
Really!

Vassal, will you join to the thematic? It will be very nice! Of course, if you aren't busy. (:


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-20 02:07:42)
Traxler thematic tournament

The waiting list is filled already for this 14th thematic tournament ! .. The last player who entered is Benjamin Aldag :) (Benny, this is not reasonable ;))

This opening was definitely a good idea :) Thanks, Ron.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-09-20 02:56:04)
What happened with TT-14 waiting list.

It is empty (as I see).


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-25 00:08:52)
How about two matches?

Hello Marius.

That's a good idea... but it seems that players at GameKnot are really against computer use in such a match. Anyway, that's probably better like that.. Teams will be quite low-rated, more friendly, more fun :)


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-09-26 08:38:26)
...f5?? > ...f5!!

The fact that Topalov had the guts to not simply go for a draw in a game against Kramnik made my opinion on him go up by 100%. 57...f5?? will be on my memory as the move that didn't let the first WC I was able to see live become a dull, drawish face-off.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-26 15:29:42)
Thematic : Beefeater defense

The new waiting list for next - 16th - thematic tournament is open...

Beefeater defense : 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c5 4.d5 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 f5

Lines with 6.e4 are particularly interesting...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-27 20:17:26)
Vacation & time limit per move

Hello Halil.

Unfortunately, this is not a bug :/

Here is the message you may have read just before you confirmed your days leave :

"Make sure you have no pending moves for more than 30 days before taking days leave, as the time per move clock is still running during vacation." (time per move clock is the one between brackets)

Rules 11.4 : "Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time."


You did not play any move in game 2036 for more than 60 days. Actually, you did not play any move for about 40 days when you took your ~20 days leave. The aim of this rule is to avoid too long delays for a single move. Usually, 30 days is enough...

Anyway, I send you an email about this problem.

Best wishes. Thibault


Don Groves    (2006-09-29 03:16:53)
A small Go help

Thibault, How about leaving the last move highlighted (or maybe the last two moves) to serve as a memory jogger for where you were in that game without having to scroll down and read the moves. It would be a big help to us non-experts who are playing lots of games.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-29 13:09:10)
Psycho(logical) games?...........

Silvio Danailov., Manager of the Bulgarian team says:

To all mass media

Ladies and Gentlemen,

After we got acquainted with the ruling of the Appeals Committee of the Topalov vs. Kramnik world championship match we deem it necessary to point out the following:

The ruling in its present form is not satisfactory to us since it practically does not result in any change. Mr. Kramnik will be able to visit the new bathroom an unlimited number of times without being subject to further control.

We would accept the current relaxation rooms to continue to be used provided that the presence of controllers in both rooms is ensured.

When the two players need to go to the bathroom, they should be accompanied by an assistant arbiter.

The checks carried out in the relaxation rooms were made only by experts of the Organizing Committee, whereas our experts were present as observers and only after the second game.

We find it difficult to understand why is it that the accredited journalists are denied access to the video tapes from the relaxation rooms.

The World Champion Veselin Topalov is outraged by the suspicious behavior of his opponent Mr. Vladimir Kramnik who in actual fact takes his most significant decisions in the bathroom.

Despite the above, in the name of the chess game and out of respect to FIDE, to Kalmikia and the millions of chess lovers, Veselin Topalov is willing to continue his participation in the match provided that measures to guarantee fair play are taken.

If the match were to continue, the World Champion would refrain from shaking hands with Mr. Kramnik before the games and would not take part in joint press conferences with him. Veselin Topalov will make statements for the media separately.

We look forward to receiving your response by 14.30 h hoping that it will give concrete answers to the questions that we pose.

28.09.2006
Elista Sincerely:
Silvio Danailov
Manager of the Bulgarian team


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-29 13:14:25)
Kramnik's team says...........

Kramnik threatens to stop playing the match......

29.09.2006 Statement from the team of Vladimir Kramnik, rejecting the decision of the Appeals Committee of FIDE : "The protests of the Topalov team and the suspicions in the press release of Mr. Topalov are utterly disgraceful and are touching Mr. Kramnik’s privacy."

Elista, 29 September 2006

Open Letter to FIDE President H.E. Kirsan Iljumshinov

Copied to Executive Committee of Kalmykia Mr. Valery Bovaev, Chief Arbiter Mr. Geurt Gijssen, Russian Chess Federation

Dear Mr. President,

The Appeals Committee of the World Championship Match between Veselin Topalov and Vladimir Kramnik made the following decision on the protest of the Topalov Team:

“to close both the toilets in the players rest rooms and to open another toilet that will be available only to the two players”

The Kramnik team received the mentioned decision a few hours before the start of game 5 and was officially informed about the protest of Mr. Topalov only yesterday evening, 10 p.m., 28 September 2006. With such a decision the WCC Committee is clearly violating both the rules and regulations of the WCC match and the rights of Mr. Kramnik.

The relevant clause in contract of Mr. Kramnik expels: “FIDE shall provide a rest room and toilette for the players during the WCC match in the playing hall and close to the stage (if possible backstage) to be equipped with a live monitor furnished with coffee and tea as well as with light refreshments.”

The reasons that Mr. Kramnik is entering his own bathroom often is simple: The restroom is small and Mr. Kramnik likes to walk and therefore uses the space of the bathroom as well. The Appeals Committee has been informed about the issue before they decided. It should also be mentioned that Mr. Kramnik has to drink a lot of water during the games.

On the request of Mr. Topalov the agreed live monitors have been removed as well as the shower cabines in the bath rooms. The moves are provided on demonstration boards only. The substance of Mr. Topalov protests (dated 22, 24 and 28 September 2006) were basically always met by the approval of the Appeals Committee. Everything has been done here to satisfy Mr. Topalov’s requests.

On a regulary basis the restrooms and toiletts are heavily checked by specialists, obviously local police forces. This goes together with the arrival of the players. The arbiters are observing all the measures. One representative of each team has the right of being present in order to observe the activities. The playing area is banned from signals and the glas wall protects from any kind of view contact and/or body language. There is not a single reason or evidence to believe that a player would have any kind of cheating possibilities.

It is and was no problem for the organization to assure all necessary measures in order to avoid any kind of cheating. By starting the match both participants agreed all the playing conditions de facto and de jure and the conditions are therefore legally binding. Any change of the playing conditions without a good reason would in our understanding request the approval of both players which is not the case here.

Mr. Kramnik believes that the latest decision should increasingly concern the world of chess as it shows very clearly and once again the biased stand of the Appeals Committee members involved. In person: Mr. Makropolous, Mr. Azmaiparashivili (well known as a close friend to Mr. Danailov), Mr. Gelfer (now replaced by Mr. Vega). Therefore Mr. Kramnik requests to exchange the mentioned persons immediately. Enough is enough.

We would like to add that the recent decision not only insults Mr. Kramnik but is clearly critizing both the excellent work of the local organisation at Elista and the nominated arbiters. Yesterday evening the chief arbiter and the head of the excutive committee once again confirmed that the indirect accusations of cheating are nonsense.

The protests of the Topalov team into the direction of Mr. Kramnik and the suspicions in the press release of Mr. Topalov are utterly disgraceful and are touching Mr. Kramnik’s privacy. We do not think that the Topalov team has any right of getting access to the recordings. This shall be job of the nominated arbiters only.

The Topalov team includes a parapsychologist and more people which are obviously having no other tasks as to distract and to insult Mr. Kramnik especially since their team is realizing that Mr. Topalov finds himself in a difficult situation. This is what we call an utterly unfair behaviour which is not in accordance with the FIDE Code of Ethics. The decision taken by the Appeals Committee can only be seen as another attempt to disturb Mr. Kramniks concentration since it is difficult to understand what kind of improvement it shall be to have one toilet instead of two.

Our team does not trust the objectivity of the Appeals Committee anymore. Therefore it makes no sense for us to bring a protest to this table and Mr. Kramnik strongly insists once again that the members of the Appeals Committee will be changed immediately and that the heads of the Organizing Committee are taking their responsibilities.

In the meanwhile Mr. Kramnik will stop playing this match as long as FIDE is not ready to respect Mr. Kramnik’s rights, in this case to use the toilet of his own restroom whenever he wishes to do so.

Further and more detailed legal investigations are already in process.

On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik
Yours sincerely,
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-29 13:19:45)
FIDE world championship (suspicions)

A "toiletgate" : Kramnik visiting the bathroom unreasonably often (according to Bulgarian delegation), video surveillance in rest rooms, Topalov threatening to stop the match, FIDE decisions (common toilets, players accompanied...), now Kramnik threatening to stop the match !

Tension is high, reminds us old memories :) ..

Can this world chess championship be finished yet ??

http://www.chessbase.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-29 15:57:14)
Fischer vs. Spassky ?

Vladimir Kramnik did not play game 5 !

All this reminds me the first match Fischer vs. Spassky... In a documentary, Boris Spassky said he lost the match when he accepted Fischer's new conditions (ie. playing in another room) in order to continue to play...

Seems to be quite the same situation here...

Now who made the mistake : Kramnik, Topalov or FIDE... I hope game 5 will be replayed.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-29 16:56:32)
Re:

If game number 5 is declared a loss for Kramnik due to forfeit, then Kramnik made a bad choice by not playing, as it's almost a free point for Topalov who was 2 points adrift. It would seem Topalov's team's psychological warfare/psychological trap has won over by closing the gap. If game number 5 is replayed, Kramnik has gained the upper hand in psychology, and Topalov's team's supposed psychology has backfired on them. I think FIDE is in a very awkward position. FIDE should clearly state who's accusations are true or false and make immediate, clear decisions regarding the whole situation. Otherwise, the World Championship will be seen as a real fiasco.


Nigel Davies    (2006-09-29 22:59:40)
Topalov's Outrageous Accusation

I'm of the opinion that Topalov's accusations are an outrageous bit of gamesmanship - there's no evidence whatsoever that Kramnik was 'cheating' in some way so this looks like an attempt to embarrass him. If Kramnik sticks to his guns this will backfire on Topalov. I don't believe Kramnik should continue whilst his opponent (backed, in its actions by the 'appeal committee) is essentially saying that he was cheating in some way. At one time this would have meant pistols at dawn. Nigel PS. There's more at my blog: http://www.gmgrowl.com


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-09-29 23:40:07)
Re:

Nigel, you seem to have a good point there. If the members of the appeals committee have clear connections to Topalov's team, then the situation is clearly tilted in Topalov's favour.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-30 01:26:09)
Server / Email - Time control

Hello to all.

Two players, formerly playing email chess at ICCF, recently lost a game on time with the 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves time control and mentioned the difference between FICGS and email chess ways to count time.

FICGS time controls are a bit harder because there's no classical email chess 'bonus day' added for each move due to time difference between countries. It seems to me that the difference is not so important with 40 days... On the contrary, the 30 days + 1 day / move scheme is quite hard ! ...

Now the question : Do you think a slower time control should be offered in future ?

Thanks for feedback. Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-30 01:35:07)
FICGS Go / Weiqi rules

Hello Roger.

Two ways to reach FICGS Go rules :


1. 'Help', then 'FICGS general rules' or 'Chess & Go playing rules' links.


2. 'Membership' link after you logout. Or this direct link :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing


Reminder : FICGS Go rules (2006 september 30)

"Go games are played on a 19 x 19 goban. Go moves are given by coordinates a1 to t19 (e.g. : s13), as showed on the go viewer. Please note that i letter doesn't exist on the viewer, so any move with letter i (e.g. : i5) won't be understood by the viewer, consequently the move is false. Please let the graphical interface generate the move. Komi is 7.5 points. Please note that you can pass, just entering 'pass'.

Rules for Go are chinese rules, as defined by the Chinese Weiqi Association. Both players must play until one resign, both players pass (then call referee) or game is adjudicated. It's up to the players to discuss the score at the end of the game, so calling referee should be exceptional. Scoring method is area scoring with chinese counting. Positional superko rule apply, it's impossible to repeat a previous board position."


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-30 03:31:40)
Topalov vs. FIDE vs. Kramnik

I agree with you, Nigel.

Obviously Topalov's team 'manipulates' FIDE against Kramnik. Worked quite well... But now the situation seems to be best for both Topalov and Kramnik... If the match does not continue Kramnik will stay clear classical World Chess Champion (3-1) with a new legitimacy, Topalov will stay clear FIDE World Chess Champion (playing the best chess) and FIDE will remain... the organizer of chess championships in Kalmykia... :/

Finally, only FIDE made a clear mistake during the event, but is it so important... Kramnik wins, Topalov wins, Ilyumzhinov always wins...

I hope the match will continue but I'm not very optimistic.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-09-30 03:39:05)
Vladimir Kramnik - Open letter

Open Letter To
FIDE President
Kirsan Iljumshinov
Russian Chess Federation

Elista, 29. September 2006

Requests of Vladimir Kramnik

• To proceed with GAME 5

Clause 3.17.1., Schedule 2 of the contract: “All protests must be submitted in writing to the Appeals Committee not more than 2 hours after the relevant playing session.”

The protest made by the Topalov Team were not made within this window after game 4 (27 September 2006) but only hit the FIDE Office and the Appeals Committee on the rest day (28 September 2006). Therefore the protests are not even relevant and should have been rejected by the Appeals Committee immediately.

Clause 3.18.3., Schedule 2 of the contract: “After the World Chess Championship Committee agrees with the Organizers on the arrangements in respect of the tournament hall, facilities etc. etc. etc……., no objections from the participants shall be acceptable as long as the conditions are in accordance with the rights of the players granted in their agreements.”

This clause clearly underlines the statement made in today’s Open letter: “By starting the match both participants agreed all the playing conditions de facto and de jure and the conditions are therefore legally binding. Any change of the playing conditions without a good reason would in our understanding request the approval of both players which is not the case here.”

Therefore it is clear that the Appeals Committee took a completely wrong decision and was obviously not even aware of the Rules and Regulations. The decision of Chief Arbiter Mr. Gijssen to forfeit game 5 was clearly based on a wrong decision of the Appeals Committee and shall be nullified.

Mr. Kramnik is ready to continue the match and to play the 5th game (with a leading score of 3:1) on the conditions that were accepted prior to the start of the match.

• Toilet issue The toilets connected to the restrooms shall be opened again. This request is in accordance with clauses 3.17.1. and 3.18.3 (see above) and in the general understanding that by starting of the match both participants agreed to all the playing conditions. Any change of the playing conditions without a good reason would require the approval of both players which is not the case here.

Mr. Kramnik is ready to accept even stricter controls by sealing the toilets before and after inspections. Inspections shall be done before and after each game.

• Exchange of members of the Appeals Committee
We repeat that the Kramnik team does not trust the objectivity of the Appeals Committee anymore. It is evident from this letter and our first Open Letter today that the existing Appeals Committee is biased and incompetent. Mr. Kramnik strongly insists once again that the members of the Appeals Committee will be exchanged immediately.

• Access to Recordings As Mr. Kramnik in the press conference stated he did not sign a contract for acting in a reality show. The recordings shall be observed by the arbiters. Neither Team Topalov nor Team Kramnik shall have access to the recordings. Investigations shall be in the sole responsibility of the Arbiters.

• Requested Apology Last but not least Mr. Kramnik believes that Mr. Danailov should apologize to Mr. Kramnik in writing. Remarks such as:

“If the match were to continue, the World Champion will refrain from shaking hands with Mr. Kramnik before the games and will not take part in joint press conferences with him.” and “Veselin Topalov is disturbed by the suspicious behavior of his opponent Mr. Vladimir Kramnik who takes his most significant decisions in the bathroom.” are clearly insulting.

On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik
Yours sincerely,
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)


Don Groves    (2006-09-30 04:39:26)
Prostate problems?

Speaking as one who has been there, a prime cause for frequent male urination is an enlarged, or perhaps even cancerous, prostate gland. Given that GM Kramnik has been described as ill, this seems a far more likely reason for restroom visits than cheating!


Nigel Davies    (2006-09-30 09:07:48)
Legitimacy

This is (or should have been) the real point of these championships from FIDE's point of view. Rather than being seen as a banana republic with a paper champion their aim should have been to establish legitimacy for their cycle and organisation. FIDE established itself by taking over the World Chess Championships with the death of Alekhine. If it can no longer do that, a large part of its raison d'etre disappears, in my view. I'm not sure they realise it yet, but if Topalov 'wins' from his 1-3 position with some trumped up accusation of cheating, their legitimacy is not enhanced. Quite the opposite in fact. Kramnik goes home with a very strong claim to being the REAL World Champion (he beat Kasparov in a match) and having allowed FIDE to demonstrate its true colours. I think that the odds of him establishing his own cycle will have improved dramatically, he just needs a sponsor. Nigel


Benjamin Aldag    (2006-09-30 15:57:58)
e4-Line !

The e4-Line is the only line, which gives white the possibility of an clear advantage. All other lines are really bad for white. The point of this opening is, to have with the black color good knights versus a bad bishop-pair of white. Roman Dzindzihasvili is the founder of this Defense and i think, "Beefeater" is not the right name. I call it "Dzindzi-Indian-Defense". There are many interesting lines and some of them, transpose the game to other openings (Pirc, Sicilian-Dragon, Kings-Indian etc.). The move 5...f5 was played to prevent black of 6.e4, but 6.e4! is the best move, white can play. I've played last year in Litomysl in a Simultan versus GM Sergey Movsesian this "Dzindzi-Indian-Defense". Sergey played 6.h4?! and after 15 moves, we draw the game. The Dzindzi-Indian-Defense is an easy to learn opening and i've got good results with it in many tourneys. Last time i've saw this Defense at the Chess-Olympic, played by players around 2400-2500. 6.e4! is the best move, but many many players don't know it and the possibility for black, to get a good result in a game is very high. I can say, i know all variations about this opening and this thematic tournament will be my first tourney here, where i will not use computer-assistence. Its funny to see, that an Engine (Rybka,Fritz etc.) dont understand the ideas behind this defense and without an opening-book, engines dont see that 6.e4! is the only way, to get an advantage.

I luv Dzindzi-Indian-Defense

Benny


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-01 11:19:06)
Not quite

They'll open the WCs, not the WC yet. They won't be switching WCs at each game either, one for each player and no switch (they will still be searched at least once before every game though, as they are now).

Also, the Appeals Committee resigned on their own. Kirsan must have chewed them yesterday. Since he's trying to make a good impression to the rest of the world to try to bring investments to Kalmykia (i.e. himself), I believe he's one of the few people that really got something to loose if they don't set this straight. $1.5mil for Topa vs. Radja is nothing if he can somehow put his country on the map as a Chess and Buddhist touristic hub (and his name in history as the "WC savior").


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-01 11:25:13)
LOL

I've been reading Mig's Daily Dirt so often that I'm beginning to get an unconscious feel of what he just posted before I read it! LOL

"As Kasparov just pointed out to me, Ilyumzhinov is about the only one in Elista without a vested interest in the match ending now."

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2006/09/whats_the_problem.htm


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-02 15:06:33)
Chess / FIDE

Why did Kramnik accept to continue this match... Becoming a chess (FIDE) hero ? Prize ?

Finally I would prefer the prize reason... :)

It seems he just resigned the psychological battle against Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, unless he's sure he can contest the final score once the match is over, but it would be harder for sure.

It will be just harder for him to play now... Anyway, the result in this match is not so important, the real issue is future of world chess championships, but in the 'other match' that just began, FIDE scored one more point.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-02 15:11:16)
Kramnik plays under protest

Official statement and protest by V. Kramnik

To FIDE President H.E. Kirsan Iljumshinov
To the WCC Appeals Committee

On 2 October 2006 my manager received the following decision from FIDE:

“Tomorrow, 2 October 2006, at 15.00, the 6th Game of the World Chess Championship Match a Topalov-Kramnik with the score 3:2 in favour of Kramnik, will take place.”

Based on this decision I make the following statement:

I inform that I am ready to proceed playing the match by reserving all my rights. My further participation will be subject to the condition to clarify my rights regarding game five at later stage.

I do not agree with the decision made by FIDE and I formally protest against it. The decisions made on my requests, especially the resignation of the Appeals Committee, opening the toilets to the restrooms again, are chrystal clear admissions of FIDE of having taken a false decision. Logically FIDE admits herewith that it was a mistake to start game five by violating the rules and regulations of the competition and by changing the agreed playing rules and conditions during the match without my approval.

I deeply regret the unsportsmanlike and unequaled behaviour of my opponent whom FIDE donated a victory outside of the board by using dirty tricks.

High level functionaries inside FIDE once again were making the professional part of the chess world a disgraceful playground of their own interests. I strongly believe and hope that the course of these events made it obvious to everyone that drastic changes with regard to the professional management structures inside FIDE are evident.

By deciding just a couple of hours ago I had to assess between my personal interests and the interests of the entire chess world. It is very difficult to play under these circumstances. But I came to the conclusion to proceed under protest because I do not want to disappoint the overwhelming majority of the chess fans which are hoping for the unification since so many years.

I also had in mind the people of Kalmykia which are doing their utmost to organize this match on the highest level possible.

Last but not least I would like to thank very much for all the support I experienced during these days.

Elista, 2 October 2006
Vladimir Kramnik Classical World Chess Champion


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-10-03 12:03:59)
Traxler is dead.... :D

I tried 7.. Qe7. White wins. See it in WC. Waiting for improvements for black. :D


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-03 14:32:52)
SmartGo, Many faces of Go...

Computer Go seems to be very far from computer chess yet... (more than I thought)

Do you think a playing Go program could beat the best player in future ?
(following discussions I had with several players here :))

I've read the strongest programs could play around 8 kyu level (SmartGo, Many faces of Go). Not so bad, but I suppose it's at a blitz level, what about correspondence Go...

I train myself against gnuGO and I've been told about Kombilo, a free Go program (database), but I did not really enter it. SmartGo and Many faces of Go seem to be really good programs to learn the basics of the game.. but then ? .. Should we learn life and death structures, other things or only practice ?


Roger Weber    (2006-10-03 15:11:47)
Go

The one thing that makes humans good at Go is our ability to recognize patterns.

Go is all about seeing patterns and making strategical moves.

Chess engines are so good at Chess because there aren't that many possibilites to be played, so a computer can calculate the best one by looking at databases.

However Go has a much larger board and much more possibilites of moves for a game, making it impossible for a computer to calculate the best move.

Also computers do not have an AI yet to enable them the recognition of patterns, or not to a degree that humans do.

So a Go-engine could theoretically beat you on a 9x9 sized board, but it is very improbable that it will do so on a 19x19 board.


At least for the moment ...


James Stripes    (2006-10-03 16:13:13)
curious

I have approximately 64 chess engines, including the beta version of Rybka 1 (the free version). In engine tournaments on my box, it has prevailed against my strongest commercial engines. However, the centaur play that is the norm here presents Rybka with an entirely different sort of playing environment than those in which it has demonstrated its superiority. As I am new to this type of play, I don't yet know how Rybka measures up to the likes of Junior, Shredder, and Hiarcs.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-03 19:18:18)
Open letter

Another letter of support to Vladimir Kramnik, written by famous chess grandmasters... (source www.chessbase.com)


Monday 2nd of October 2006

Dear Vladimir,

Through absolutely no fault of your own, you have suffered the consequences of an unprecedented combination of unethical behaviour from your opponent and glaring incompetence, for lack of a stronger word, on the part of the Appeals Committee.

In spite of evidently unfair treatment, which has not only resulted in your being forfeited one game, but also being subjected to petty attacks and ridiculous accusations from the opposing camp, you have agreed to continue the match for the sake of reunifying the chess world. This is a very impressive decision. It testifies to your remarkable sense of honour and is worthy of your true status of World Champion.

Regardless of the final result of this match you have earned the deepest respect of your fellow Grandmasters and colleagues as well as countless chess fans around the world. Thank you for being a model sportsman in a time and place where so many circumstances turned against you. You deserve to win.

With unfailing support,


GM Joel Lautier
IM Almira Skripchenko
GM Viktor Korchnoi
GM Laurent Fressinet
GM Nigel Short
GM Alexandra Kosteniuk
GM Pavel Tregubov
GM Pentala Harikrishna
GM Yannick Pelletier
WGM Sophie Milliet
GM Lev Alburt
WIM Anna Hahn
GM Rustam Dautov
GM Yasser Seirawan
GM Emanuel Berg
GM Helmut Pfleger
WIM Olena Boytsun
GM Vladimir Barksij
GM Bartlomiej Macieja
IM Maxim Notkin
GM Alexander Baburin
GM Tony Kosten
GM Alexander Khalifman


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-10-03 22:53:33)
... dead!

IMO advantage is 100% enough for win in both variation, at least for me (+engine :D). (It is sad that I don't have money (enough) - I could offer you a bet.) :D P.S. Question not about Traxler - how do you make empty lines in messages?


Marcin Kasperski    (2006-10-04 12:27:12)
Exaggerating?

I googled this thread accidentally, and ... I would like to say that some opinions here seem to be going too far. I am just an amateur player (no FIDE rating, but according to my results on FICS and Playchess I would estimate myself about elo 1900). I play on a few servers including gameknot (my nick there is Mekk). I have never used chess engine there (or anywhere), and I am at the moment rated 1654 on gameknot, I also happened to win and draw some games against 17xx rated players. Surely they were not using engines, if they were, I would lost those games - my results on IECG (where I lost everything I tried to play) show this clearly. Of course my claim, that I am not using an engine, is just my claim - but you can take a look at my games, if you like...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-04 16:21:00)
Danailov accuses Kramnik of using Fritz9

The manager of Topalov (Silvio Danailov) now accuses Kramnik of cheating, using Fritz 9.

Here are his statistics :


Game 1 :

From 75 moves: After move 12, from 65 remaining moves 41 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (63% of matches)

Game 2 :

From 63 moves: After move 17, from 46 remaining moves 40 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (87% of matches)

Game 3 :

From 38 moves: After move 10, from 46 remaining moves 40 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (87% of matches)

Game 4 :

From 54 moves: After move 14, from 40 remaining moves 30 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (75% of matches)

Game 6 :

From 31 moves: After move 13, from 18 remaining moves 14 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (78% of matches)


Out of 5 games, 78% of Vladimir Kramnik’s moves would match with the first line of Fritz 9.


Seems to be a lot but is it enough ? (no IMO, and it simply doesn't mean anything at all...)

Furthermore, it seems to be very hard to prove, as the "first line" of Fritz 9 depends on many parameters... It's probably easy to obtain this result on demand, or to say at a 2800 level, if it doesn't match with Fritz moves, that it matches with Shredder, Junior or Hydra or... :(

The only conclusion is Kramnik's style is closer to Fritz than other engines..
(what a scoop...)

Topalov's team has probably no other choice now than to attack & attack until death... This is clearly psychological attack, this match could end really dirty :/

I think these statistics are really too conclusive so that it's realistic ! .. Kramnik is not stupid : There's no need to play Fritz first line to win against Topalov (and finally be accused of using Fritz 9), and it's certainly not the best way to win either...


Glen D. Shields    (2006-10-04 17:52:20)
Yes Thibault - Thanks for Asking

Thibault -

I see a need to offer player defined delays. My desire would be that when a move is sent, I have the option to post the move immediately or 1, 2 or 3 days later (using my reflection time during the delay). This option allows players to stagger their games and better manage the pace particularly at the beginning of a tournament.

Servers like FICGS have become the meeting place for postal players, e-mail players, correspondence server players and real time server players. It's a diverse and interesting group. Server chess is nothing like postal chess, but it shouldn't be a substitute for OTB chess either.

Starting a server tournament is like a ping pong match. You send a move and ten minutes later you have a reply. One can't ever keep their inbox empty.
Once the opening is over, the match then moves into "Groundhog Day" mode. You wake up to an inbox full of moves, you work all day on them and then wake up the following day to an inbox of moves from the same players. It's tiring.
I'd like the option to send a move, forget about it and then chose whether it should be visible to my opponent immediately, 24 hours, 48 hours or 72 hours later. The delay allows me to manage my game load better and gives me some flexibility how fast I want to play.

Server chess has grown rapidly the last five years. Its benefits are fantastic. Curiously, however, this year is the first year since e-mail chess was officially introduced that ICCF is reportedly (unoffical source) seeing an increase in postal chess. One of the biggest reasons talked about for this change is players are worn out from the fast server pace. I can relate to that. I'd hate to give up server chess because it makes so much sense. I know no one twists my arm to move fast, but why not give me server tools to help me manage my game load? I let the server count my time, keep my game score, chase my opponent when he forgets to move and report my results. Why can't it also help me manage my game load and slow down the pace when it needs to be slowed?

You asked ... so here are my two cents :)


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-10-04 18:44:46)
no slow down by force please !

Nobody urges you to answer immediately.
Why should the one who likes playing fast sometimes be forced to wait for sending his own moves?
I cannot really understand this. His opponent has always the choice to wait before answering if _he_ prefers to do so.
As i already said in another thread I prefer a small number of games going fast than a large number of ones going slowly.
I analyse most of my very few games everyday. So when one of my opponents reply I am often already ready to answer immediately. Why should I have to wait?
I even wish that a rule for maximum accumulated thinking time be implemented.
Those who prefer slow chess just have to refrain from taking too much games simultaneously and from enrolling in "rapid" tournaments.
Marc


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-10-04 18:55:32)
Rybka and others

I use rybka 1.1 and quite a few other ones :-)
I am pretty sure that rybka is stronger than all other engines but this does not in any way say that rybka's play is perfect.
A problem with the practical use of rybka is the fact that it has something like a different scaling of his assessments than most others.
+0.10 is a large advantage for rybka! and often he gives almost the same score to several candidate moves whereas other engines more clearly differentiate the value of different potential continuations.
Rybka often misses evidently promising tactical continuations if you do not give him a much longer thinking time than requested by some competitors


So I think Rybka is a powerful tool but not the only one to have for computer help

Marc


Miguel Pires    (2006-10-04 21:32:51)
Roger

Hello, about engines, please try this position with the engines you have: 2r2rk1/1bq1bpp1/p2ppn1p/1p4BP/3NP1P1/3B1P2/PPPQ4/2KR3R w - - 0 17 If you let them think for some time, of of the engines possible find the move for withe Bxh6! For me was easy to find. I have done this sacrifice many times. I FICGS or ICCF i use engines to check my variations and to see if i misse something. If the engine gives me a better move i try to understand whay and try to adjust the plan to that move. Soo using a engine, (for me) is not to make better moves, but to try to improve my game. In situations like that position my natural reaction is to sacrifice. Its only my 2 cents Regard's Miguel Pires PS: Sorry for the bad english


Glen D. Shields    (2006-10-04 21:33:32)
Let me see if I got this right ...

Guys - let's see if I have this right. If i make a move and wait three days to enter it on the server, you're okay with that? Yet if I make a move on the server and chose the option to have the server send it three days later (using my reflection time), you have a problem with that? I don't get it. Games aren't slowed down. All that's being suggested is that we be given server tools to regulate the game pace to a more comfortable level using the server. We use the server to manage all other aspects of our game, why not this too? I don't understand your objections.


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-10-04 21:44:39)
Danailov accuses Kramnik of using Fritz9

In my view, the best proof of computer use is the number of missed oportunities rather than the number of coincidences, which can be manipulated as pointed by Thibault. Thus, an average player misses 80 to 90% (99% in the worst cases ) a Master - 30-40%, a GM 10 to 20%. With the extreme -no missed oportunities we have those reported cases of cheating in Tournaments by average players So the suspictions would be worth something if they are accompanied by the report of (not)missed oportunities, otherwise the moves are in the usual coincidence range.


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-10-04 22:31:46)
engine use

I believe a player should be stronger than an engine (in terms of positional understanding) to get a feeling of where the centre of gravity (of the analysis) should go to have a "win".

If left alone/by themselves, the engines would make very stupid things, that's why they are in severe need to be told what opening to choose, eventually what line, and in the line, what series of moves -so called "plan". The difference in strength -given that engines are now public/free and very strong- lies in the difference in playing skill between players, if not in the computer power owned by them, in my opinion.


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-10-04 22:50:34)
How many people actually use chessengine

I do, and I cannot even understand why some feel it is not fair : it is explicitly allowed here.
My feeling is that most (if not all) my opponents do use them also.
And this is perfectly OK for me. For several reasons :

1. I prefer not to have worked hard on a game and then win it because a sudden tactical error leads to a premature end after months of intense struggle.

2. I am far from being able on my own forces to have such interesting games as those that I play with help of engines.

3. Being on almost the same basis of computer help as my opponents, I feel that the human touch is clearly decisive in these computer-assisted correspondence games : it's precisely there that the difference can be made.

Marc


Don Groves    (2006-10-05 08:05:37)
Why not manage the pace yourself?

If you only have time to make two moves per day then do that. You will then only receive two new moves per day maximum. If you don't want the emails in your inbox, create a box for unanswered moves, keep them there, and answer them at your own pace. Just my 2 pence.


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-05 11:42:35)
Re:

Basically, I'm playing to force myself to learn. In July, when I began my first game in FICGS, I knew nothing and had nobody to teach me. Since the probabilities of me ever having a tutor are dim, I knew I had to learn alone.

FICS won't cut it, because the guys at my level generally memorize a line and go for it until the bitter end. Having no opening knowledge I would generally end up in a bad spot until the midgame, where I can handle myself better. I rarely got past move 15 there.

OTB won't do for me, because I don't even know if there's a chess club in my city. I had a neighbor that used to play with me, but I quickly got past him on knowledge.

Studying database games is just not my style. I can't get drawn into the game if I'm not playing. If I choose the bad move I have to feel threatened by it, it has to have a consequence to me.

Thus, I'm here at FICGS. Before every move I'm able to analyze it and how the line goes forward, to understand why it is a good move. Plus, I'm able to test the moves that come to my head and check them (generally to find out they are outright suicidal).

In the end, I think my opponent wins something back, which is an entertaining and hopefully instructive game.

P.S.: BTW, just so you know, I play clean on FICS and OTB. I think those are, after some time at FICGS, becoming instructive environments on their own right.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-08 13:24:25)
FICGS vs. GameKnot tournament

Hi Thomas.

The games here will be played under the tournament name :
FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_GAMEKNOT_MATCH

I just sent an email about pairings.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-09 09:32:36)
FICGS vs. GameKnot ... about to start

Our friendly match against well-known GameKnot chess server is about to start.

2 players still have to tell me their nickname on GameKnot so that Thomas and I can create the games on both servers. If players want to register now, there could be a replacement... Feel free to send an email to info [at] ficgs.com if you're interested to play.


Yannick Maret    (2006-10-09 09:39:01)
A question about chess engines

At first I was against using engines but the opinions given in another thread made me believe that they might be an useful teaching mean.

So I'm starting to think about using a chess engine here... but just to check if the moves I chose spring any tactical opportunities for my opponent! Following the suggestions of the engine would just remove the fun of the game for me.

Anybody has an idea on how to do that easily, and what engine to use? I would like a method that avoid the temptation of playing moves suggested by the engine!

Thanks in advance,

Yannick


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-09 10:56:23)
Server peaks of charge

Hi all and thanks for sharing your views.

I agree with Marc, there's no reason to slow down games by force. I'm just thinking about an emergency system that would delay (a few minutes at most) the moves to appear in 'My messages' and 'My games' with an appropriate message if too many players are sending moves at the same time - in future. Some games run particularly fast (30 moves played in half an hour).

The idea of delaying the sending of moves is interesting but I'm not convinced yet. I fear it wouldn't be used a lot and too many options is not good IMO. (more, the delay wouldn't be 100% accurate) As for me, I just 'accepted' to have 10 or more pending moves continuously, I delete emails (or set email notification off) and come back later to the server... Another way would be to filter moves responded before a defined time in 'My games'. Not so useful...


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-10-10 01:32:29)
Thibault

I can't seem to find FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_GAMEKNOT_MATCH .....is it up and running yet? I need to research the "how to's" and explain them to my guys. I'll post my guys names on FICGS sometime tonight. - - - Thomas


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-10 05:27:08)
Re:

Use Toga II if you're looking for a freeware one. Crafty was simply too unreliable. 15 minutes of brute-force search, returning ~18-ply results with slight advantage; then I'd play them one by one and about the 10th ply, *bang*, a blunder. Very nice if you're trying to emulate Topalov-Kramnik, but not nice if you want to get some good advice.

The trick is to have a general understanding of the opening, and notice when the game has entered the realm of the middlegame (this is still very blurry for me, but I'm getting the hang of it). Then you just have to try to learn as much as you can about basic middlegame concepts. That's as far as my understanding goes up to now, tactics and strategy are not within my grasp yet.

Of course, this is for total noobs like me, if you know more you'd like to test more advanced concepts.


Yannick Maret    (2006-10-10 11:37:56)
Hmm

Thanks for the links... I will have a look!

Actually, I'm looking for a program on which I can set the actual position of a game. Ideally, I would then propose a move and the program would tell me if the move is sound or not (without giving its reasons). Then I can figure out by myself why the move is unsound and choose a new one... without being overly influenced by the engine.

Hmm, I guess I want too much... and should implement an interface for doing just that :(


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-10 16:16:37)
To be continued...

Open Letter

To
FIDE President
H.E. Kirsan Illyumzhinov

To
Head of the 2006 Executive Committee
Mr. Valery Bovaev

Dear Mr President, Gentlemen,

Having received innumerable published and unpublished inquiries I would like to clarify, in the name of Vladimir Kramnik and his team, our position in the decision taken by FIDE regarding the fifth game of the current World Championship match.

As you know Vladimir Kramnik is playing the current match under protest. Nothing has changed in our attitude, which is documented by Kramnik’s actions around the fifth game and our statements, protests and letters:

29.09.2006:
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=104
02.10.2006:
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=106
04.10.2006:
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=107

Consistent with this standpoint Vladimir Kramnik will be playing this match, including a possible tiebreak, up to the last move under protest.

Should the decision of FIDE regarding the fifth game have any influence on the awarding of the World Championship title, with Mr Topalov receiving the title after being granted a free point for the unplayed game, Mr Kramnik declares unequivocally: “I will not recognize Mr Topalov as World Champion under these conditions, and I will take legal action against FIDE at the end of the World Championship.”

The damage done to Mr Kramnik in public opinion (e.g. the slander campaign) after the illegal release of private video images by the then FIDE Appeals Committee or the WCC 2006 Executive Committee to the Topalov team, and the subsequent release of these video images and private information of Mr Kramnik in his restroom to the mass media, as well as the interruption of the match, which broke Mr Kramnik’s concentration and playing rhythm, will all be part of the legal action which will be initiated.

As a sign of good will Mr Kramnik once again requests FIDE to arrange for game five to be played out on the board immediately after game 12. This in our opinion is the only way to alleviate the personal, sporting, judicial and ethical injuries that have been incurred by Mr Kramnik.


Elista, October 10, 2006
On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik
Yours sincerely
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-10 18:28:43)
Fritz et al.

You can try Fritz and the like (Shredder, etc.), as they come with a chess coach that give small tips like "I don't think you should put your Queen there." I just don't remember which playing modes and under which conditions you can use that without displaying the engine thinking lines, but it's really nifty.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-10 18:49:31)
Re: g11

With bishops on opposite colors, it's advised to keep a rook on each side to avoid a draw... Anyway, it seems to be a clear draw in all cases here.

If Kramnik doesn't win game 12, another battle will begin...


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-10 19:18:09)
Hmmm

Even with a pawn up, Thibault? I mean, after 60...Bb6 61.Rxe5 fxe5, White being uncapable of threatening both Black pawns or moving his King towards either Black's passed pawn or his own pawn... Of course, it might come to a lock later on, but it does seem more promising than allowing the Rooks to stay.

However, you did give me the answer to my question. Thanks!


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-10-11 07:04:35)
Pairings:

cyrano (still waitimg on name) vs. Glen D.Shields*****cairo (ottesen_soren) vs. Miguel Pires*****ccmcacollister (collister_craig) vs. Benjamin Aldag*****thumper (jacobs_doug) vs. James Stripes*****tugger (edwards_matthew) vs. Trond Michalsen*****yanm (maret_yannick) vs. Peter Willoughby*****taikaviitta (koivuniemi_raimo) vs. Richard Grady*****tag1153 (gilbreath_thomas) vs. Regis Ducreux*****eqj2 (johnson_eddie) vs. Martin Selby*****dewillget8 (bingham_anthony) vs. Ilmars Cirulis*****mozz (price_richard) vs. Julien Baudement*****lofix (mankowski_peter) vs. Phil Cook.***********************************************************That's a 12 vs. 12 match. 24 points possible. First team to 12.5 wins. Are we in agreement? - Thomas


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-11 23:11:54)
Re: Pairings

Thomas, did you receive my emails with the pairings & nicknames ?


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-10-12 05:45:51)
Yes I got them...let's begin!

I see we still need 3 GK ids from you guys. The other 9 are ready to begin. I will be messaging GK players with their opponents right away, and instructing them to begin. Let me know when your other 3 guys are ready.......Thomas


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-12 15:41:13)
FICGS chess championship #1

Pairings for the semi-finals in the first FICGS WCH knockout tournament are known :


GM Farit Balabaev / SM Peter Schuster
-
IM Gino Figlio / SM Petr Makovský


FICGS WCH round-robin tournaments (stage 1) are still running, next round should begin in 2007 january.

This time control, 30 days + 1 day / move, is definitely hard ! .. but definitely challenging :)


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2006-10-12 20:16:30)
Rapid & Blitz

http://members.aon.at/sfischl/rapid.txt
http://members.aon.at/sfischl/blitz.txt

Amazing as it might be, it looks Kramnik has more chance of snatching the title if it goes past the rapid games.

http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/event/kratop06/kratop0.html has a sumary of their encounters and a PGN containing all of them, classical, rapid, and blitz.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-13 19:26:48)
Game of time ?!?!

The point is that only one player seems to be in zeitnot, but NO - it is just his tactic (in all games) - strange attitude - he loves it to do his last move before new time count (after move 10, 20 etc) always in the last minute.


Hannes Rada    (2006-10-14 00:03:36)
Tactics ?

Hi Wolfgang, I am playing against this guy in FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_M__000002 But I do not have a problem with this tactic, if it can be called a tactic. Maybe it should be simply called Zeitnot .... Why do you bother about that ? It's wíthin the rules.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-14 18:33:37)
Chess and Go diagrams / Forum update

A major update for FICGS forums (& blogs) !

Now you can insert Chess & Go diagrams in messages...
(useful to submit chess problems, analysis and so on...)

See the FAQ in help section - http://www.ficgs.com/help.html - for details, in example here is the position of the last game in the FIDE world chess championship between Veselin Topalov & Vladimir Kramnik, just before Topalov blunder 44. ...Rxc5 ??

ChessPosition (see diagram)

Diagrams format is quite simple (see Help), please note only one diagram / position will be displayed per message.

Also minor bugs (links, search functions) corrected...


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-10-14 18:37:24)
Best game

While kicking around the site I got the message advising my posting of a game of mine in "Best game" I don"t know how that happened, but it rembarrases me. I would not have made the post voluntarily (2168). Remove it for consideration please.....Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-14 18:53:21)
Re: Best game

Ok, the vote has been removed...

I just saw game 2222 was the best game now.. Please vote game 342 ! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-17 12:56:02)
Games started / TIME CONTROL

Hello Miguel.

It seems that time controls can't be the same on GameKnot...


Games just started ! .. (there will be a replacement soon in the last 2 games)

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_GAMEKNOT_MATCH.html


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-10-19 18:56:33)
Game of time ?!?!

Try and relax a little Utesch, I know it can be frustrating, it would frustrate me also. But De Silva seems sincere to me. Just my two cents worth my friend....Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-19 20:06:19)
Mate in 292 moves

Otto - Titus Blathy (1860 - 1939), Hungary
Vielzügige Schachaufgaben, 1889
(10 + 12)
Mate in 292 moves

Illegal position


Now you may try to solve the problem, but my question is : Why is this position illegal ??


ChessPosition (see diagram)


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-20 07:22:10)
Mate in 292 moves

You're right! But this position seems to be so artificial, that I can't believe to reach it in order with all chess rules out of a normal chess start position. And I can't see any other problem with this position. Wolfgang


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-20 14:09:35)
Re: Mate in 292 moves

The minimum number of pawn captures is 8, that's a funny problem :)


Now here is the solution for the mate :

http://www.chess-problem.com/classic4.htm


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-10-20 18:23:22)
other surreal mating positions

..I mean mating as in mate in 2,3..;)

There are far more surreal positions even with fancy names for each of them however no-one calls them "illegal" why is it? ..just wondering..


Scott Prestwood    (2006-10-20 19:32:24)
Time Control Clarification

I am looking for clarification on the interpretation of the time controls, specifically; time : 40 days, increment : 40 days / 10 moves. I presume it is 40 days to make the first 40 moves then it is an additional forty days to make to next 10 (to move 50). This seems to be a disproportionate amount of time for moves 41-50. Thank you, Scott


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-20 19:41:21)
Time Control Clarification

Hello Scott.

It is 40 days to make the first 10 moves then it is an additional 40 days to make next 10 moves and so on...

Note : There's an accumulated time limit (100 days) rule.

See rules - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing .. and particularly 11.4


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-10-20 21:24:52)
quite a lot!

Thanks for your comment Thibault

Out of curiosity, just searched the Chess Problem Database Server and found a lot (+200!)of chess problems that have been found illegal one way or the other (not sure yours is listed there but I presume it is)


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-10-20 21:55:18)
retrograde analysis

from math.harvard.edu

"Legal position (n.): a position that can be reached from the initial array by game consisting entirely of legal moves, however bizarre. Conventionally every chess problem should have a legal position. Naturally then, an illegal position is a position that cannot be reached by a legal game. For instance, a position in which one side has more than 8 pawns, or has both White and Black Kings in check, is illegal (why?). So is any position with a White Bishop on h1 and White pawn on g2 (why?), such as the following mutual Zugzwang (q.v.), which Lewis Stiller discovered in the course of an exhaustive computer search: White Kg6, Bh1, Pg2; Black Kg4, Pg3. The Kniest position White Kc8,Pb6; Black Ka8,Pa7 (seen above under Helpmate) is legal BTM, but not WTM since Black is in ``retro-stalemate'': Black could not have made a legal move to reach this position. [Thus this position can be set as a Helpmate in Two but not a Mate in One (or ``helpmate in 0.5'').] There are positions that can be recognized as illegal only after extensive retrograde analysis. To prove that a position is legal, one need only exhibit a single legal game reaching the position; such a game is called a proof game. Some retrograde analysis may still be needed to construct a proof game."

I bet nowadays there exist a problem solving chess engine which can give such a 'proof game' in 0.0001milisec (as the moves maybe bizarre, no need to evaluate positions, just to check them for legality)


Scott Prestwood    (2006-10-21 03:15:11)
Full Disclosure

Perhaps tournaments should be labled as permiting engines and not permiting engines. Coorespondence chess has tradionally had only the rules of chess and the time control limiting it. And the early masters that used and believed in coorespondence chess as a method to improve ones game did not have access to computers, nice to know I could get killed in the tourney I am in just because I'm playing 6 computers. The initial allowance of databases and books to aid ones choice of moves as well as playing the game through allowed improvement of ones chess abilities. Computers will have a greater tendency to be the one playing the game because they only prescribe one line of action from a position. That line is very strong and likewise tends to be the operators choice of the next move. If the allowance of computers is posted for the games it will allow for the players to chose which type of game they prefer.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-21 11:31:16)
Some strange tactics with server chess

Server chess is allowing to see all parallel games in the same tournament. So some players hope to get an advantage by playing their first moves very slow. Perhaps they can learn (so they hope) by the other more progressed games of their opponents. It's legal but not so funny - neither for their opponents nor for themselves! Playing your own style will give you the most satisfaction! Wolfgang


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-21 13:03:07)
Game 2222

I think, only Fritz x has a fundamental problem with this position, for nearly all other engines is the solution only a question of time - some find it faster than other.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-10-22 05:13:08)
Best Game

Without revealing my engine it find Qf8+ in 5 seconds, so your statement needs correcting. The game is "probobly lost accoring to my engine. Excuse my bluntness. But what a stupid opening for black. Thats where all the trouble began. I would not try and defend the black position here....My two cents worth Thibault de Vassal


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-23 11:13:43)
Rating / 8-game match

Hello Thibault, it doesn't make any sense to count all results for the rating, independent whether generated by playing out or forfeits about time issues. At least one rating seems to be very excessive affected by this practise in the FICS Chess Championship! Wolfgang


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-23 18:00:29)
Rating / 8-game match

Hello Wolfgang. (FICGS, not FICS ;))

In these 1st FICGS WCH quarter finals, there were 2 forfeit cases & 1 match with 6 games out of 8 lost on time. In the first 2 cases, not all games were rated as a win (according to the 8-game match rule), the last case was a bit different but as far as I remember, the winner had a better position (winning or small advantage) in all games... Anyway, ratings wouldn't change significantly if 2 wins were not rated.

The real question is about 8-game matchs & fast time control 30 days + 1 day / move (quite hard). There's no perfect rule & particular cases could happen, but that's really interesting IMO & the number of games with rapid time controls are probably enough to balance ratings in time. We'll see...

Anyway, several players were surprised by the difficulty of this time control, I hope it won't happen again during the next cycle (that should start in january)...


Peter Schuster    (2006-10-24 12:57:17)
Rating / 8-game-match

Hallo Wolfgang, ich fuehle mich durch Deinen Beitrag angesprochen. Alle meine Spiele sollten fuer das Rating gewertet werden. Dass SF Cinca ein sehr unangenehmer Mensch (ich hatte leider in einem GM-Normturnier schon mal mit Ihm zu tun) und aeusserst unsportlicher Gegner ist, kann nicht mir angelastet werden. Nach 2 Remis stand ich in 2 weitern Partien klar auf Gewinn und haette keines der restlichen Spiele verloren. Als er das eingesehen hat, hat er einfach aufgehoehrt zu ziehen und seine Zeit ablaufen lassen. Ich hoffe, dass solche Unsportlichkeit auch entsprechend bestraft wird. Viele Gruesse Peter


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-24 20:14:40)
Rating / 8-game match

Hallo Peter, nein - du warst nicht gemeint - dein Rating ist vollauf verdient! Ich meinte das stark gestiegene Rating von Balabaev. Gruß, Wolfgang ........................................................ Hello Peter, no - I didn't mean you - your rating is hard earned! I meant the considerable increase of rating of Balabaev. Greetings, Wolfgang


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-10-25 12:32:12)
Rating / 8-game match

Hello Farit, the problem with rating of contests by duels is a generally: If one player knows that the whole duel is no to win he will abandon all games - independent from the particular situation in all of the open games! Greetings, Wolfgang


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-10-25 12:55:01)
Re: Rating / 8-game match........

What Utesch says is quite true. But of course it's not the fault of the players of the duels. Simply, the duels system does seem to be a flawed concept!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-25 13:37:13)
Rating / 8-game match

Anyway this result is quite unusual in correspondence chess... :)

Conditions were best to realize such an increase of rating, and a part of the forfeit reasons are probably out of the match (a flag gate)... 6 games out of 8 were rated as a win in this match between Farit & John, with no other result for Farit when the rating calculation occured. It happened, it can happen, I think it won't happen often (I would be surprised if such a case occurs in semi-finals) but in all ways : That's great ! .. IMO :)

There's a part of "injustice" in all most watched sports and games, it's an essential element ! .. The biggest one 'strangely' is in soccer. At another level, chess stars choose their tournaments and manage their FIDE rating, remember ie. this match Etienne Bacrot (2470) vs. Vassily Smyslov (2510, wch) in Albert, with this result 5-1

An obvious, topical and nearer example : FIDE classical (old) world championship system is deeply unfair (for the challenger) but it MUST be kept !

As I said above, the concept (added to fast time control) may create some - rare - rating peaks, but effects are limited and I'm convinced it's interesting enough to try it.

To be continued... in a few years ? ;)


Halil Kiren    (2006-10-26 01:51:49)
I cant move

i cant move for 4 days..:(( whats that..and my clocks going to be over.. i have 13 hour in a game..and i have a lot of games like this.. ..this error is being for 2. time is there any one have a problem like me?? or only me?


Don Burden    (2006-10-26 02:32:25)
Rating / 8-game-match

Seems to me that the large jump in ratings is the result of a problem, where the root problem seems to be that there are just way too many players on here that for whatever reason just drop out and don't want to finish their games. Don't know how you would fix that.

In my WCH Stage 1 section that I just finished, two of the top 3 rated players in my section both gave up and quit. One player without playing a single move. The rules say that in the case of tied scores, only the higher rated player advances. There are two players in my section, myself and another, both finishing with 5.5 points out of 6. I think that's a pretty good score, but apparently it's not good enough because only one advances. If all 7 players had played all games to completion, the chances of having a clear winner, and a final score somewhat lower than 5.5 out of 6 would have been much greater.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-26 15:07:40)
Re: I cant move

You're not in vacation, so that's really strange. I just sent to you an email to fix this problem.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-26 15:20:20)
Re: Rating / 8-game-match

That's not right.

These quarter finals are particular cases because there were no forfeit before move 10 in all games... (games with less than 10 moves played are not rated for the winner) That's why there's a special rule 'general forfeit' for 8+ games matches.

Moreover, the waiting list for the 1st FICGS WCH remained open from april to july, maybe it was a too long period, that's why the waiting list for the 2nd FICGS WCH (that could begin in january) is still closed.


Glen D. Shields    (2006-10-26 16:21:03)
It's Been Awhile ....

This tournament is the first time in awhile since I played on the Gameknot server. A lot has changed in server chess during my absence, but not at GameKnot. There are two GK annoyances. I point them out NOT to trash GK, it's a well designed chess server, but hope that someone from GK who is following this match can instigate appropriate modifications. I REALLY wish the e-mail notification indicating my opponent has moved would show his move. I have a lot of on-going games and don't have the time to make an extra log-on to GK just to get my opponent's move. Also for those who use Opera, take note GK does not work (at least not for me). The board consistently shows up minus half the pieces. Refreshing the screen helps sometimes, but not always. An extra log-in with my non-favorite browsers is not particularly endearing :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-28 15:59:37)
Chess quizz :-)

I see the interview (1) was also published on Chessbase news..
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3454


Some other questions...


3/ Will Kasparov return at competitive chess ?

4/ Will Kramnik defend his new FIDE title ?

5/ How many years Kirsan Iljumzhinov will still remain FIDE president ?

6/ Will Fritz 10 beat Kramnik ??

7/ Will chess be solved by a super computer in the next 200 years ?

8/ Who will win the 1st FICGS world championship ? :)



... my answers :


2/ Boris Spassky

3/ Yes !

4/ No

5/ 8 years

6/ No

7/ No

8/ Joker :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-28 17:43:05)
Match FICGS vs. GameKnot , the games

Hello to all.

It would be great to follow how the match evolve in this thread. As far as I know GameKnot leads by 1-0 (Ilmars blundered :))

http://gameknot.com/anbd.pl?bd=5966999&rnd=0.9197820842414586

It seems that's possible to link to all games (that started) on GameKnot, so feel free to post the links & results here.


Reminder, you can follow games played on FICGS there :
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_GAMEKNOT_MATCH.html


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-10-29 16:13:10)
JUDIT POLGAR ..........

Thibault, Is it possible for Judit Polgar to try/ask for a title shot versus Kramnik?!! If it becomes reality, it might turn out to be a huge attraction. Judit seems to nearing peak form right now. What do FIDE rules say about such a possibility?! Any obstacles?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-30 08:54:15)
Re: JUDIT POLGAR

Hi Dinesh.

Seems to be a question a money ?! .. If I remember correctly, Sergey Karjakin was to play Topalov with a 1 M$ prize fund (?), so why not a Judit Polgar vs. Vladimir Kramnik match...

She (probably) only needs a good sponsor and a serious preparation to create such an interesting event... I'm sure Kramnik would play it. I don't remember Judit playing a 6+ game match, but I feel it would be hard for her, first because of Kramnik style (& Judit's).

Anyway, great performance at Essent with a 2-0 mini-match against V. Topalov and I. Sokolov !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-30 13:16:29)
Update : last move (Go)

Hello Graham, thanks :)

I just updated the display of Go games, the last move is now marked in red.

Boards are fliped because it's more logical at chess (and most games), to be nearer "reality". I prefer all games displayed the same way, sorry :/

At last, about going automatically to the next game, that's quite right but the confirmation page ('Your move has been sent') may avoid some "problems"... I prefer this way, unless many players ask for this change.

Kind regards.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-30 18:28:50)
Member No. 1000 !!

Thank you Hannes !

Yes that's great, the number of players regularly increases already, with no more announcements on chess forums (most players come from Google).

I think it will speed up at the beginning of 2007 ;)


Hannes Rada    (2006-10-30 17:56:49)
Member No. 1000 !!

Thibault, Congratulation to the 1000th FICGS - member !! . As far as I know chessfriend had 1900 members after 3 years. . I am quite sure that FICGS is the fastest growing chess organization on the web.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-30 18:13:36)
Big chess "birthday" tournament !

FICGS now counts more than 1000 members :)

The display of Big Chess games has just been improved : Last move marked, coordinates, speed, bugs fixed... So it may be funny to see more games !!

A special tournament will start soon, if you want to enter it, just post "I'm in." (or something like that :)) in this thread. The first 7 players will be in.

The tournament will be there :

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__BIG_CHESS__THOUSAND_MEMBERS_EVENT.html

Games unrated, time control is 30 days + 1 day / move... 7 players -> 6 games per player (big challenge).


Reminder : To see what Big Chess is, see the Inaugural match game...

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__BIG_CHESS__INAUGURAL_MATCH.html


100% human chess guaranteed, no chess engines & databases :)


John Acre    (2006-10-30 22:09:15)
lowball

I absolutely use an engine. The permitted use of engines is the only reason I'm at this site to begin with..... ........... ........... ........... ............. .............. ........... Engine assisted games can be a great study tool, if used correctly. I analyze each position to the best of my ability, record my candidate moves. Select one, record it, and then feed the position into Fritz to see how it evaluates the position......... ........... ............ ............. ........... ............. ............... ............. If my move is in the same ballpark, I make my selected move, I feel fricking great, and I await my opponent's reply. If my move is substantially inferior to Fritz's selection, I try to figure out why, and then I play Fritz's move. This way, not only do I get to understand the positions rising out of my chosen opening in a depth I could otherwise never approach without professional guidance, but each step of the way, I learn to play the next move's position as if the strongest move had been played............. ............ ........... ............. ............ ........... ........... .......... .......... If an opponent blunders in a big way, I mostly let Fritz finish him off, because the game is of no study value to me beyond that point. I don't care what my rating is, except that it be at a number where I can join a variety of rated tournaments (to face a variety of opposition). I don't play at this site to win, or to lose. I play here to get as close as a ~1600 OTB player like me can get to understanding the objective truth of the game............ ........... ........... ........... ........... ............. ............ ........ Sorry if that upsets anybody, but that's the whole reason I'm here. The community isn't big enough to have much independent value as a non-engine-assisted place to play correspondence matches. And why would one bother? There are a million of those places on the web. This place, however, is a one-of-a-kind goldmine. If engine play were to dry up or be outlawed here, what would be the point?....... ........... .......... ........ ........... ......... ........ ........... ............ .......... Anyway, to answer, from my viewpoint, another question asked in this thread, I'm currently self-rated at 1500 for this site. I'm playing in tournaments at about that level, and am admittedly using Fritz 9. My record, out of 20 or so games, looks like it's going to be about 4 wins, 6 losses, and 10 draws......... ............ ........... ............ ............ ............ ........... ............. ...... Only two of those wins are going to be miniatures, and both of those against the same guy. So playing with engine-assisted strength of around 2500 on my slow-ish machine, I'm going to score around 45%, with about 17 out of 18 opponents playing at or above my machine-enhanced strength............... ........... ............. ............ ........ ............ ........... People guessing 50% of users here use engines are lowballing, bigtime. I estimate around 95%. And I have no problem saying that I'm one of them.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-10-31 02:43:50)
2nd FIGS chess WCH waiting list is open

Tribault de Vassal. Would you kindly remove me from the waiting list. Thank you. Wayne


Sebastian Ilie    (2006-10-31 06:55:11)
Go games "display"

Thx Thibault , for displaying the last move in red , you make my day :) Speaking about improving this site , i must say that it would be better if the opponent message will be displayed at the top - i usually missed them :(


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-31 09:50:28)
Red mark + Message

Graham, really ? Please note the red mark is only displayed on the 'move' page, when you're to play a move. (not in the viewer page ie.)

Sebastian, that's quite right, messages may be forgotten on the 'move' page... But I thought it would be hard not to see it on the 'move_confirm' (cf. url) page, above the 'send' button... That's a problem to displace the board at the bottom IMO :/ And a popup window wouldn't be appreciated... I have no better idea at this time.

Thanks for feedback.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-31 09:58:18)
2nd FICGS chess WCH waiting list is open

Hello Wayne.

I can do this tomorrow. If the issue is about rating, please note that ratings taken in account at the start of the tournaments (TER : Tournament Entry Rating) are current ones at this time - november rating if this cycle starts ie. on december 15) - so ratings will be automatically updated in the waiting list...

Kind regards.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-31 15:47:58)
Chess games belong to the world !

Quite funny (or frightening) to see this kind of discussion now on a Go forum, the excellent godiscussions.com

About ten years ago, FIDE tried to claim Copyright over non-commented chess game records. In an article entitled "Chess Games Belong To The World" (published in The Kibitzer), Tim Harding argued how this would benefit only a few companies like ChessBase. The same thing now might happen in the Go world. (I saw at somes places Go games are not allowed to be free)


Tim Harding's article :
http://www.moyogo.com/blog/2006/10/i-have-no-problem-obeying-law-i-do.html

More on GoDiscussions forum :
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-10-31 20:49:57)
Time overstopping

Yes, that's a pity players give up games (particularly in thematic tournaments) like this... It can happen, but not so much games are given up in comparison to other chess servers. Just wait a few days more and it will disappear from your games list...

Kind regards.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-10-31 21:49:40)
2nd FICGS chess WCYH waiting list is ope

Ahhhh, that was the reason. I wanted to enter with my best rating. If I understood you correct, That wont be a problem, given that the waiting lists ratings are updated. I would like to re-submit my name, can you do it, or should I resubmit ? Thank you Wayne


Saksham Wal    (2006-10-31 22:53:03)
Help For New Members


I tried to check all existing post, but could not find what i Needed. Can someone Please Help me out in Few Things

1. How do i Start a Single Game Here ? Or playing Tournaments is the only way?

How do i find out which Tournaments are Open to join and which ones are already closed?

2. Are all moves played by e-mail(if yes, how?) or is there on site-java based Interface or something of the sort (eg: like features on GameKnot )

I understand that my Questions Might happen to be silly but well... i-need-to-know...

Hope this topic does not annoy anyone.

Regards



Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-01 01:18:04)
Help For New Members

Too late, you & Roger were faster than me :)

I'll try to improve the F.A.Q. in Help...

Best wishes.


Daniel De Noose    (2006-11-01 02:03:19)
Partie perdue ????

Je viens de perdre une partie du championnat contre Samy Ould Ahmed alors que j'ai joué mon coup hier et quand je regarde l'historique c'est comme si je n'avais pas joué. Par contre mon message que je lui ai envoyé en même temps que le coup, lui est visible ???? Bizarre. Serait-il possible de réactiver la partie? Merci d'avance.


Don Groves    (2006-11-01 05:24:52)
Browser problem

Thibault, That I don't see the opponents highlighted last move is apparently the fault of my browser since it works fine using IE on someone else's computer. However my browser *does* display the highlight on my move just before I send it. Are the two highlights done by different methods? I can't think of any other reason why my browser would display one but not the other.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-01 17:00:37)
Game lost

Bonjour Daniel.

J'ai peur que le dernier coup n'ait pas été confirmé. La page confirmant l'envoi du coup n'a pas du s'afficher. Je ne vois aucun message (public comment ?) ... La partie semble simplement perdue au temps :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-01 17:25:33)
Browser problem

Definitely not. Same method... I do not understand. It works fine on Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox. What's your browser ?

Thanks for feedback.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-01 20:52:43)
Checkmate / Stalemate

Hello Stefano.

No, your opponent still has to resign if he's checkmated (or accept draw if stalemate).

http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_185-Checkmate-Stalemate.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-01 21:03:53)
Draw offer

Hello Alarich.

You can write a public comment that will be sent to your opponent by email. (or just offer a draw when it's your turn - check the 'offer draw' box when playing your move)

Best wishes.


Daniel De Noose    (2006-11-02 01:45:41)
Pas du tout car voici le mail ...

que j'ai reçu de notification :

-----------------------------
[Event "FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_17__000001"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2006.7.1"]
[Round "1"]
[White "De Noose,Daniel"]
[Black "Ould Ahmed,Samy"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1470"]
[BlackElo "2166"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.O-O Bg4 6.h3 h5 7.d3 Qf6 8.Nbd2 Bd6 9.Nc4 Bxf3 10.Qxf3 Qxf3 11.gxf3 Ne7 12.f4 exf4 13.e5 Bc5 14.Bxf4 Ng6 15.Be3 Bxe3 16.fxe3 b5 17.Na5 Nxe5 18.Rf5 f6 19.d4 Nf7 20.Nxc6 Kd7 0-1

Move sent : 2006.10.29 - 11:35:31
Move replied : 2006.10.30 - 22:27:44

Non et j\'ai essayé ici mais cela ne me plaît pas ...
-----------------------------------

[j'ai volontairement coupé la fin du message car le reste ne regarde pas les autres utilisateurs.

Comme tu peux le voir c'est son coup qui est affiché mais le message est le mien ! C'est celui que je lui ai envoyé en jouant mon coup qui n'apparait pas càd 21.Cb4 !



Don Groves    (2006-11-02 07:27:41)
Browser problem

I'm using Camino on a Mac. Camino is another Netscape spin-off, like Firefox, but offers better integration with OS X. I'll send the Camino team a note about this. Thanks.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-02 08:31:47)
Partie perdue au temps

Bonjour Daniel.

Exact. Il apparait que le coup a été joué dans l'intervale de quelques heures qui séparent la perte d'une partie au temps de l'adjudication automatique par le robot. Dans ce cas, c'est le joueur lui même qui met fin à la partie... (l'horloge indiquant 'out of time')

Le temps restant pour le dernier coup était de [correction] 127837 secondes, soit 35 heures, 30 minutes et 37 secondes... Votre adversaire a joué le 29/10 à 13h 48 et vous avez répondu le 31/10 à 01h 53, soit 36 heures et 5 minutes après, ce qui explique le message.

Désolé, la cadence 30 jours + 1 jour par coup est difficile à tenir...


Daniel De Noose    (2006-11-02 15:31:01)
donc ...

j'étais loin de perdre au temps. :-(


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-02 18:37:27)
bizarre...

Les enregistrements au coup par coup m'indiquent bien que la partie a du être perdue au temps (à quelques minutes près). Je vous recontacte par email, essayons de reconstituer l'ordre des événements - prise éventuelle de vacances ces derniers jours etc...


Hannes Rada    (2006-11-02 20:05:50)
Only 965 ?!

FICS is shrinking significantly :-) Few days ago we broke through the 1000 member barrier. And now it seems that we have lost about 40 members :-) What happend ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-03 11:10:16)
Only 965 ?!

Do you travel in time, Hannes ? :)

Was it a page cached by Google, your browser or.. !?

I can't explain how you see this number !?


PS : FICGS ! not FICS :)

(by the way, FICS - http://www.freechess.org - seems dead for several days !? what happened ?)


Henri-Louis Muller    (2006-11-03 11:19:19)
temps de réflexion

j'ai entendu - et j'en fais partie - énormément de plaintes et de discussions concernant le temps de réflexion ! Il est en effet totalement aberrant, illogique et...décevant, de devoir attendre parfois PLUS de 60 jours afin qu'une partie soit déclarée perdue par dépassement de temps - d'un adversaitre qui ne répond plus !! Ceci est d'autant plus illogique que cett façon d'agir profite à celui qui commet cette...aberration. L'erreur profite donc au fautif !?? Je connais des joueurs qui quittent FICGS pour cette raison !? Dommage. Mais il doit exister une solution....!!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-03 12:03:47)
temps de réflexion

Bonjour Henri-Louis.

Disons les choses... Ceci est clairement un sujet sans fin et sans solution, discuté sur les forums d'échecs par correspondance (ICCF, IECG etc...) depuis leur création. C'est mathématique, le problème est né de la lenteur de certaines cadences (40 jours + 40 jours / 10 coups), d'où le choix d'une cadence de 30 jours + 1 jour / coup pour les tournois rapides, peu demandés à haut niveau, et le championnat.

Et comme le dirait un certain Dominique de Villepin, j'entends ceux qui se plaignent, mais j'entends également ceux qui ne se plaignent pas :) ... J'ai lancé un fil il y a quelques semaines sur les temps de réflexion, les seules réponses que j'ai eues étaient claires : "Ne changez rien !" .. Tous les joueurs n'ont pas les mêmes dispositions de temps pour jouer aux échecs par correspondance, j'ai simplement mis en place la formule qui à mon avis peut convenir au plus grand nombre.. Pour certains, les cadences lentes sont trop rapides (je ne blague pas), pour d'autres les cadences rapides sont trop lentes... A cela je n'ai pas de solution raisonnable, je suis à peu près certain qu'aucune amélioration sensible ne peut être apportée dans un sens ou l'autre sans que beaucoup de joueurs ne s'en plaignent... La règle des 60 jours ne s'applique en général qu'à ceux qui abandonnent leurs parties et qui n'en tirent donc aucun avantage. Pour les autres, si la limite était fixée à 30 jours, cela ne changerait rien, avec un coup joué tous les 30 jours pour faire "durer", le temps total de la partie serait le même...

Le nombre de plaintes est très faible pour plus de 4000 parties arbitrées. A moins d'une meilleure idée qui satisferait tout le monde, je pense qu'il faut laisser les choses en l'état.

Amicalement, Thibault.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-03 14:55:07)
Only 965 ?!

About the chess rating list, I updated the code a few days ago. It is now "semi-static" (automatically updated every 6 hours at most)

6 hours, that was theory... I just found the small bug, thanks :)


Henri-Louis Muller    (2006-11-04 08:55:34)
temps de réflexion

Hello Thibaut, de toute manière, merçi pour ta réponse !.....même si elle n'arrange rien !! ( ceci dit en toute amitié) Il y aura tjs deux camps qui s'opposeront. Dans la famille (sic !) nous sommes assez rapides, d'où une certaine incompréhension du système. Blague à part, je connais (au moins TROIS) des joueurs qui ne jouent plus à cause de ce temps de réflexion "incompréhensible" pour eux ! Moi non plus, je ne comprends pas qu'un certaine joueur dispose encore de 2 jours de réflexion, puis soudain, il en a à nouveau une bonne vingtaine. Je ne cherche pas à comprendre, mais c'est un fait. Il y a des cas où il faudra attendre 60 jours ou plus, pour gagner la partie, car l'adversaire ne répond plus !!! Logique ?? Normal ?? Sportif ?? Le débat est loin d'être clos et acquis ! Amicalement - hlm


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-05 12:45:06)
Fischer : "Now chess is completely dead"

A new interview from the former world chess champion Bobby Fischer...

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3468

No surprise : Fischer’s problems with the Union Bank of Switzerland, United states founded and being run by extremists, Capablanca brillancy, but also : "I don’t like chess any more" (what about chess 960 ?), "Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorisation and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative"...

I just wonder.. How can we find so much pleasure in correspondence chess ? .. Was his pleasure only to destroy weak players or in real challenges against strong[er] players (ie. Karpov).. I can understand why a grandmaster stop to play competitive chess because it's too hard & it takes too much time, but I can't explain myself such a champion finding "limits" to chess & getting no more pleasure...

"Play Go !" :)


Sebastian Palozzi    (2006-11-05 14:29:19)
A Moment of Clarity

I find it interesting that no matter how bizzare his life and his thoughts might be I can usually find a moment of perfect clarity and thought; his description of Capablanca's style and ability coincide very nicely with the latest computer analysis of World Champion strength and style as posted on Chessbase. It seems to me that putting aside all questions of strength or playing ability Fischer has a profound knowledge and love of chess. If he is wrong about anything he is wrong about his own feelings about the game.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-11-06 05:59:08)
Re:

What was the last tournament Fischer played in?!...... the rematch with Spassky in the 1990s?!?


Julien Baudement    (2006-11-06 14:01:46)
End of the game

I lost my game against mozz ! One more point for them !! sorry guys !


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-07 19:34:10)
Motivation

It appears to me Fischer's approach to chess it's a simple case of (lack of) motivation, if you haven't got any everything seems dull and grey. On the opposite side is V Korchnoi, older than him, but with a lot a will and of course motivation.

Of course having been at the very top preclude any further motivation, perhaps that's a curse to every WC (they can't just go on playing chess for fun as other GM (wanna-be WCs) would do -and be happy at the same time-, exception could be M Tal)


Sebastien Marez    (2006-11-10 09:42:22)
temps de réflexion

J'etais d'accord avec M.MULLER, quand j'ai arrete de jouer mes parties sur le site (je le suis tjrs aujourd'hui). Malgré tout je suis revenu pour reprendre mes parties, et en faire d'autres. Car j'ai reussi a trouver un équilibre avec le site de l'IECG pour toujours avoir des parties en cours. Le système appliqué par l'IECG me parait malgré tout le mieux adapte au jeu.


Dorel Oltean    (2006-11-10 22:00:27)
retire, come back. What's next ?

I’m playing in two tournaments with Mr Marez : class M02 and WCH M01. Mr Marez had practically retired from the FICGS tournaments because he did not play for a very long period (one-two month). He lost on time 4 of 5 remaining games in each tournament. Now he comes back to continue the games he did not lose on time. By proceeding like that he is not fair to all the participants in the given tournaments, ruins the results and gives a not serious character, an amateur-like flavor to the tournaments. On top of that he is now registered for other tournaments. I think someone must do something about that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-11 05:47:37)
All tournament boards on a single page

A new update...

Reminder : When browsing a tournament page, if you click the "photo" icon at the right of the name of the tournament, all boards, moves and public comments will be displayed on the same page.

It may take more than 30 seconds the very first time (these days, because of the update), but then it should be much.. much faster...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-11 06:31:12)
... translation

Sorry to all who don't speak french... This thread is another one about FICGS time controls. Several players complained about the 60 days rule and time controls which are too slow... We discussed it already : In my opinion, one can last a game the same way with a 20, 30 or 60 days limit per move rule. What's important is the global time control and I think the 30 days + 1 day / move scheme is fast enough.


Sebastien Marez    (2006-11-11 07:11:18)
temps de réflexion

Je suis revenu, car j'ai trouver un equilibre en les deux serveurs et que votre site me plait aussi. Il est vrai que le temps des parties sur FICGS est bcp trop long, le fait d attendre trop devient vite enervant et lassant, amenant ainsi un desinteret complet. Le fait de perdre mon classement n 'est pas important car je le retrouverais. Je comprends Mr OLTEAN, car je risque de lui enlever toutes ses chances dans les tournois respectifs. Il faut applique la meme regle que pour l'IECG sans reponse au bout de 30jrs les parties sont perdues, mais surtout reduire la cadence des parties pour retrouver un interet plus grand.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-11 07:24:59)
temps de réflexion

Such a rule (a player who do not connect to the server during more than 30 or 60 days [+holidays] automatically looses all his games at the same time) could be applied, but would it solve all cases & problems. I don't think so...

About time controls, is 30 days + 1 day / move really too slow ? What else ?


Sebastien Marez    (2006-11-11 08:21:15)
temps de reflexion

Avec les dix premiers coups vous arrivez deja à pratiquement 70 jours!!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-11 14:13:54)
temps de reflexion

I don't understand why it is a problem !? ..

Many players like the 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves time control, it is even - much - faster than the same time control played by email (ie. IECG) !

Finally, why didn't you prefer to enter the RAPID M tournament waiting list ??


Sebastien Marez    (2006-11-11 15:41:03)
temps de réflexion,

Je prefere quand meme la cadence de 40 jours + 40 jours tous les dix coups, mais avec le gains de la partie au bout de 30 jours sans réponses. On devrait essaye votre cadence avec une partie perdue apres 30 jours sans réponse. Non la cadence 30jours plus 1jrs par coup est trop rapide.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-11 16:48:20)
temps de réflexion

Je comprends que la règle de 60 jours max. par coup puisse paraitre plus que nécessaire, mais je maintiens que cette souplesse pour les joueurs a sa raison d'être, notamment en tenant compte du fait que contrairement à l'IECG (par l'intermédiaire des directeurs de tournois) le "facteur humain" est quasi nul sur FICGS, toute partie perdue au temps l'est irrémédiablement et sans recours... Dans de nombreux cas, 30 jours peuvent passer très vite (voyage, hospitalisation, vacances en oubliant de prendre des jours sur le site)...

D'autre part, les joueurs qui veulent énerver leurs adversaires en prenant leur temps joueront 1 coup tous les 30 jours au lieu d'un coup tous les 60 après avoir accumulé du temps, la durée de la partie restera la même (dans le cas d'un forfait, il suffit d'attendre un peu plus pour le gain)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-12 12:44:35)
Problème d'email ?

Bonjour Daniel.

Je vous avais envoyé un email sur le sujet, vérifiez peut-être votre dossier spam. Je réessaye.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-12 15:00:01)
Chess problem

Interesting chess problem...

The first move seems quite easy to find, knowing only one move wins & considering bishop and knight, but proving it is not obvious... maybe I'm wrong (my first idea was h5)... Anyway, chess engines are lost here, it seems Hiarcs is the only one finding h5.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-11-12 15:21:39)
Chess problem

Hello Thibault, I think you are wrong! This position is one of my last finished games on ICCF and one of my best - at least from this position to the end. It seems to be very important to find first the better way for Black instead of his last move. Greetings, Wolfgang


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-12 15:29:58)
Chess problem

Ok, you got me :)

I'll wait for someone else to find the solution, but I would love to try to defend this position with Black against you, maybe in Wikichess or by email. If you're interested, of course...


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-11-12 15:34:17)
Chess problem

Fine - let us play in Wikichess! What have I to do?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-12 15:41:35)
Chess problem

In wikichess you "just" have to follow the opening, then enter all new moves of your game until the position or complete game (but you would give the solution)... You may 'sign' the game at the end with this comment :

End of game : W. Utesch - Opponent : 1-0 (ICCF)


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-11-12 16:34:24)
Chess problem

I'm looking forward to your answer to my move 50.g5! I think, it will be a very interesting (and not too short) end of this game. It is a very instructive example of the especial appeal of correspondence chess.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-11-12 17:04:21)
Black to move!

It seems to be an easy way for White after 50.g5! - but wait and see. The Black defending resources are not to underestimate. FEN= 4bk2/q3r1p1/1R1p1p1p/3P1PP1/4PK1P/4QN2/8/8 b - - 0 50


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-12 17:46:57)
Black to move!

Ok, that's quite funny I didn't consider the most natural move because it's a chess problem :) .. g5 is also chosen by most engines quite quickly.

Anyway, the win is still to prove. I'll try some lines in wikichess.

Note : A new feed (RSS) will be available for wikichess very soon.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-12 18:41:41)
Incredible life of chess players...

Sometimes I'm simply stunned by the players informations I can read... :)

http://www.ficgs.com/display_informations.php?member=1065


That's great to welcome players from all horizons... and ages !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-13 15:36:42)
Challenge!

I'll defend these openings :)

I sent an email to you.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-13 18:10:25)
New forum section : Problems

Hello to all.

You may have noticed a new line in the menu : Problems (above forum)... This is a new forum dedicated to Chess & Go problems !

Feel free to submit any interesting & challenging position :)

Feedbacks are welcome.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-11-13 22:11:42)
Thanks!!!

Thibault, did you read my thoughts? :D

Thanks very much fo Marshall counterattack thematic!!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-14 00:39:01)
?

Hi Ilmars. You mean the email with the lines we play ?


Arthur Alfred Macarsindale    (2006-11-14 13:22:07)
Story Of Life and Chess

Often closer linked than people may think! Ask me anything you feel you want to please.Chess or otherwise.I can only answer or not answer! I was taught chess by a relative who was a rather fine player when I was aged 9 in 1921. He died when I was 12 years old and so I lost a playing partner. I was married in 1932 and, seeing the ghastly goings-on in Germany in 1930s knowing that the whole show was starting again as it had in 1914 ,I vowed to ensure that a group of thugs and criminals would not be taking a foot on the shores and shires of Great Britain and bringing along some new age of butchery and lunacy . And so the RAF was my home for the next 15 years from 1938. I revisited chess principally in 1940 and that was hot summer's days outside playing cards,chess and other games waiting for the phone to ring and 'scramble'. Unfortunately two of my chaps who I played often with were shot down and killed over Kent in August 1940. I miss them both to this day. Then I did not play for years until the advent of correspondence chess in the 1960s and 1970s through the postal mail. And since 1998 the Internet. There you have it!


Arthur Alfred Macarsindale    (2006-11-14 14:07:49)
Answer

I do not have them.I am sorry. I think it was 1996 when i first played on the Internet.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-14 15:59:48)
First chess servers

1996... the very beginning of internet. Was there another way to play chess online than FICS (not FICGS :)) through Winboard on Unix system ?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-14 16:47:18)
Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz, 2006

In less than 2 weeks from now, classical & FIDE world champion Vladimir Kramnik will play the best (at least most famous) chess program Deep Fritz 10 !

From november 25 to december 5, 2006 at the Federal Art Hall in Bonn. One million US dollars for Kramnik if he defeats Deep Fritz, half this amount otherwise...

We did not forget the previous match in Bahrain (2002), that ended with a 3-3 score.

Do you feel Fritz improved enough to beat a player like Kramnik, who most probably improved his play too... Will Kramnik play rather different openings than in his match against Topalov ? .. Anyway it should be an interesting match to follow.


A few links :

http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=95
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2947



Dinesh De Silva    (2006-11-15 02:17:33)
Re:

He will most probably play semi closed openings & defences, which gives a slight/miniscule advantage or equality somewhere, avoiding early tactical open positions. So we might not see any Sicilian at all as Black in his repertoire. He'll try his best to outwit the computer by sometimes introducing deviations or novelties in the first 25 moves or so.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-15 02:35:07)
FICGS update : Security improved

Hello to all.

You may (sure :)) have noticed the new login page with two forms.

This is most probably temporary.

Of course, passwords are stored 'hashed' on the server so that noone can retrieve it, even me... Now, if you login with the first form, your password won't be even sent through the internet, it is hashed by your browser before. Second, passwords won't be stored anymore in cookies with the secure form. At last, a new barrier against hacking... The old form is still available because it might be possible for certain players to be disconnected early because of their changing ip address (according to the internet provider).

Please just tell me if you encounter any problem. Thanks in advance :)


Arthur Alfred Macarsindale    (2006-11-15 11:31:26)
1996

It was a straightforward email chess akin to postal but by email.I am afraid my knowledge does not extend to Unix (?) and so on!!! So one had a boars set up and the moves came through by email.Primitive by today's standards but it served a purpose.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-15 12:56:07)
1996 + this site and others

So you played email chess since 1996 ! .. in a particular organization ?

About the boards here, you're right, they are quite small according to screen resolution. That's why I just implemented (at last) the possibility to change the board size & set in Preferences. Is it too small yet ? .. Anyway I have to improve it... All feedbacks are welcome :)


@ Marc : Thanks for info ! ;)


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-11-15 12:08:49)
Early web chess

Hi Thibault In 1989 I affiliated to Compuserve.
This was an international online system with chats, forums ...
... and an active community of chess players playing slow-timing chess!
You had to connect to a national server through dialup modem connection and then they relayed all-over-the world. Early interfaces were character-based under DOS ...
A few years later Compuserve began to interact with the "real" internet and so I was among the 100 earlier private persons to have internet access in Belgium...
So you see that server-chess is not that new!




Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-15 14:23:14)
Go scorer (improvement)

Hello to all Go players.

A small improvement in the Go scorer : Komi (7.5 points) is now added to White score and the program says who 'probably' wins !

Also a small bug corrected in the count algorithm, about a few unknown points...


In example, you can score this exciting game Vorobev -Steveson :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=score&game=3102

Just remove these groups : n8 m9 g18 r18 g17


Score is 183 to 178 (+ 7.5) -> White wins by 2.5 points. (verified with a viewer)

See the game here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=3102


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-15 18:06:42)
The Campbell Report

A must... :)

18 years of chess... Funny & really interesting. The problem is great too !

http://correspondencechess.com/campbell/apctcol/c0611.htm


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-16 01:56:57)
Something to be changed

Hmmm... Dinesh has his fans :) ... (just a joke)

This has been discussed before : Server chess has clear time rules, some players may "play" with the slow time controls, sometimes for a good reason, sometimes not... It can't be totally prevented (or feel free make suggestions).

Looking at your clocks, that all reached 100 days, I suggest you to play rapid tournaments. This problem won't happen often this way !

Best regards.


Don Groves    (2006-11-16 04:33:30)
Go scorer improvement

Very nice. Is it still necessary to have both horizontal and vertical scores?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-16 04:42:49)
Go scorer improvement

Actually both methods will return the same score for closed positions only (after removing dead groups), but it can also estimate an early position by sharing out undecided territories. There, the two methods may return different values.


Don Groves    (2006-11-16 08:07:23)
Go scorer improvement

Ah.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-16 13:02:24)
Suggestion

The idea to jump the first time control (not to add 40 days at move 10) would have been interesting if we knew 'where' ends the opening, but that's quite impossible... The real problem is some players can't connect so often, or play so quickly !

It may be frustrating in some cases but that's correspondence chess... I connect about 20 times a day but I have many games and I feel in zeitnot in some of them. As for me it depends more on the game than on the time control...


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-16 13:27:51)
Please link to FICGS

Dear friends, you may know how it is important for a website to be linked from other places on the internet since Google created his famous ranking system Pagerank...

FICGS has got about 1,000 links so far (not too bad after 7 months) for a Pagerank 5, but the more links, the more players !

Feel free to link to FICGS from your website, blog, in forums and so on...

You may contact me - info (at) ficgs.com - if you have a chess or Go related website, so that I add it in the file that displays random links at the bottom of each game page, ie. http://www.ficgs.com/game_342.html


A link written one of these ways would be very appreciated :

<a href="http://www.ficgs.com " title="Correspondence Chess Server">FICGS</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com " title="Chess Server">FICGS chess server</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com " title="Go Server">FICGS Go server</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com/forum.html " title="Chess forum">FICGS chess forum</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com/wikichess.html " title="Wikichess">Wikichess</a>

Thanks in advance !


Glen D. Shields    (2006-11-17 06:39:51)
Changing World

It's interesting to read players correspondence chess expectations as technology evolves.

What we see on servers like FICGS is the integration of players with various chess backgrounds and expectations. Players who grew up with the internet, and whose first chess experiences were real time chess servers expect games to move quickly. Players who grew up playing correspondence chess by postcard expect games to move much more slowly.

Personally I'm as equalled annoyed by players who stall (like the one described by Mr. Aabid) as I am by those who think move-a-minute correspondence chess is cute. It's going to take time and creativity by the server owners to balance players needs/interests. My ideal is when both players move at a steady 2-3 days per move pace (with the obvious exception for holidays, work, illness, etc). Those games stay interesting from start to finish and always seem to end with a pleasant thank you and congratulations.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-17 14:40:56)
Chess and politics...

Just noticed this link on TCCMB correspondence chess forum, to MSNBC article by Howard Fineman : "Iraq exit strategy and the Tehran gambit"... Quite funny. (no matter political ideas, only chess metaphors)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15728086


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-17 18:59:02)
Tournaments with money prizes

Hello to all.

Finally, Chess & Go tournaments with money prizes will begin in 2007 january !

"Money chess" is an all times controversy, many players play for fun only (even at the highest levels), others like much more this way of play. I think it's simply the most challenging, finally it quite looks like classical tournaments.

About Go, things are quite different, as software & particularly engines are a negligible factor in the play. The best players will probably always win, but weak players may be interested in a lesson.


You may have noticed some changes in the waiting list categories for money tournaments :

Two formats for 2-players matches will be available, 8 games matches (time control 30 days + 1 day / move) and 2 games duels (time control 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves) renewed in case of a draw.

Simultaneous games will be also organized with international masters for both games, with prizes shared if some players could beat the masters.

Of course, it won't change anything to the free tournaments & championships, it will be optional only. I hope it will help to provide prizes for the FICGS chess & Go world championships (sponsors are welcome :)) ...

The membership page - Terms and Conditions - has also been updated.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html

Some major changes (as in money tournaments pages) might happen until 2007 january.


Feel free to post here if you have any comment or suggestion.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-19 14:41:48)
Rating change (Go)

Thanks & sorry, you were right !

You were in a small rating difference range that provoked this strange result. Elo rating system has to be used carefully :/

I just updated the program & rules. Your rating has been corrected according to this change.

Thanks for feedback.


Dorel Oltean    (2006-11-19 15:51:50)
retire, come back. What's next ?

Is allowed to retire from FICGS tournaments (loosing around 10 games on time) and then come back to resume unfinished games and start new ones? The answer is YES , it happened and , after more then a week from my previous message, it seems it can happen again. The soft reaction of the administrator of the site and the totally (surprising for me) lack of reaction from any FICGS member showed it’s only me who has a problem. (Maybe, by changing the subject, my message was hidden behind the discussions about ‘the 60 days rule’). I cannot accept that ! For me chess is a serious thing. I consider chess a sport where the equality of chances and the respect for the competition must be the first rules. So I decided to retire from all FICGS tournaments . In M02 group I didn’t finished any game so my retiring will not affect the final standing. In WCH M01 I have only one unfinished game and my opponent will finish second last anyway. So my withdraw will only permit someone else to finish first and qualify instead of me. In my last group, A02 I wish to finish my remaining game (if I am allowed) than I will leave, with real sorrow, FICGS for good. Whishing you nice games Dorel Oltean


Charlie Neil    (2006-11-19 17:05:27)
Retire and come back.

I'm sorry to read that you feel you have to leave because of the behaviour of some other people. I think that is just one of the drawbacks of having a free site on the internet. Anyone can join our "club" and conduct themselves in an unsporting manner. I think it is just one of those things. I have been the victim of similar unsportsman like behaviour in over the board games, by post and on similar sites here on the net. I just think you get that tiny minotiry (and that is all they are) who mess around. I do like playing on ficgs and , (so far) have been paired with well-mannered opponents who play fair. I have had a number of silent withdrawals but that is to be expected. I am just sad to think if any well meaning players would leave because of someone messing around. But life's like that, that's the way it is.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-19 17:56:13)
Retire and come back.

Hello Dorel.

I'm very sorry about that, but actually Charlie just said everything.

"It is just one of the drawbacks of having a free site on the internet."

This was only an obvious example, but the problem is quite more complex... What about a player who just looses a game on time and continue his other games. Farther, why a player should draw to another one and win to a third. Any result in any round-robin tournament is partly 'aleatory' and depends on many other factors than chess, particularly rules.

It also happens in over the board tournaments to get prizes, it can happen everywhere and at ICCF too... That's why I prefer knockout system. Of course, I'd like to solve all problems, but no rules are perfect. (by the way all suggestions are welcome)


The original post was in 'temps de réflexion' thread :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=1453


Best wishes.


Daniel Khayman    (2006-11-19 18:20:37)
Messages

Hello everyone, I'm new here and have joined after recommendation from Mr. Wayne Lowrence, my good web friend and chess master (watch out for him:-). I've been trying to communicate within the site via text message but that seems to be impossible unless the receiver is your direct opponent; can anybody help me out? Is there a way of sending texts to whoever one likes? Thank you for dropping by, Daniel


Marius Zubac    (2006-11-19 19:21:59)
A penalty system is needed

Hello Thibault. I think that time has come for you to add new rules to FICGS and a penalty system (using penalty points) to discourage players from retire-comeback behavior. Loosing some games on time unless provoked by some unforeseen event should be also penalized although less severe. Upon reaching a certain number of penalty points the player should be prevented to register for new FICGS tournaments (let's say a half a year) and on resuming the penalized player should be only allowed to play a limited number of games until the lesson is learned. If you would compare FICGS list with the server-based IECG list you should notice that FICGS is less populated in the strong players section (2200+) than IECG and this has an impact on the quality of high-end tournaments, norms and titles and of course ratings. If we want to improve FICGS some action in this regard must be taken. I sympathize with Mr. Oltean and wish he reconsiders his decision. Marius


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-19 21:05:29)
Messages

Hello Daniel.

Sorry, this feature is not implemented (yet). This kind of webmail shouldn't be necessary here IMO. It has been discussed already, but all suggestions & arguments are welcome :)

Best wishes.


Charlie Neil    (2006-11-19 21:05:51)
Match FICGS vs GameKnot

How/where can I view the match games on GameKnot? Is it possible to see them as there being played as we can here? I'm just nosey.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-19 21:40:49)
Re: A penalty system is needed

Hello Marius, thanks for suggestions.

My problem is : How to deal with ie. a player who can't play (personal or any good reasons) during a while and looses only one or two games on time in a tournament ? .. How to prove a 'retirement' ? .. Above all, we have to avoid cases that could be undecided by the rules.

Of course, IECG server is more populated in the strong player section ! .. But there is no link with this in my opinion, IECG - International Email Chess Group - exists for more than 10 years, it's a long way. I regularly read IECG forum but I did not try IECG server yet.

I only know that IECG & FICGS servers started about the same time (FICGS started one or two weeks before IECG server), as Ortwin gave me some advices about the server before it started...


Marius Zubac    (2006-11-20 00:25:05)
The penalty system - a proposal

A player that for a (good) reason is not able to continue his games should have two choices: A) Let some games get lost on time and then he would be treated under the penalty system. B) Ask for a retirement and in this case no penalties should be applied. Once a player asks for retirement the following actions should be taken: 1. His status in the rating list should be flagged to retired; perhaps a retired player should not be able to register a new tournament; 2. A retired player could get re-instated by applying directly to the FICGS adjudication commission; 3. All the retired player’s running games should then be frozen and dealt with on a by tournament basis: 3a) if in a tournament the retired player has finished games that are not lost the remaining games should be adjudicated by FICGS for rating purposes. However all the retired player’s games should not be counted for qualification purposes (if the tournament provides qualification to a next stage); how the games are to be considered for norms is a matter to be discussed. 3b) if in a tournament the retired player has finished games that are all lost the tournament director can act as in 3a) or has the option of canceling all the retired player’s games. This proposal is far from perfect but shows that we are not helpless and some action can be taken. The reason I mentioned IECG is because probably on the server the population is roughly equivalent with the FICGS’s one but in IECG’s case the distributed is more favorable in the upper section. This is the reason why there is enough active population at any given time for new tournaments and severe rules are not needed as much as in FICGS’s case in order to maintain a meaningful activity. My belief is that the centaur mode will prove in time to generate stronger games, stronger chess and FICGS will have chances to become in time the most relevant correspondence chess server. The technical conditions are already met. Marius


Lawrence Nesko    (2006-11-20 00:52:58)
Perhaps a silly question, but...

Hello, all. I'm new to the world of correspondence chess. So if my question is naive, or has been answered at some point in the past, I apologize. It seems that there are no single-elimination tournaments available on FICGS. Why is this? Please don't take this question as a form of comlaint. I'm merely curious. Have I overlooked something? Or is it simply not the norm in the chess world, correspondence or otherwise?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-20 01:03:54)
Re: Perhaps a silly question, but...

Hello Lawrence.

Do you mean "knockout tournament" ?

Reason is simple, it doesn't make sense in correspondence chess, as time controls are too slow and rounds can't be played at the same time. On the contrary, in round-robin tournaments all rounds can be played at the same time...

But knockout system is great and it remains in FICGS chess WCH, which is a multi-stages tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-20 01:33:29)
Re: The penalty system - a proposal

Ok, I say why not... But once again the problem is : What to do if a player looses only one game on time (after 12 moves, very small advantage for his opponent) in a tournament ? .. How to be sure he has bad or good reasons ? How to prove a 'retirement' ? .. My opinion is you can't prevent all cheating attempts (obvious or agreements between players), but we have to discourage them as much as possible. At IECG, there are many tournament directors but a player can withdraw from a tournament without loosing a single point, and there are consequences on the result in all ways.

CJS Purdy : "The only valid excuse for withdrawal from a chess tournament is death, and then only with a death certificate" :)

I think FICGS rules are quite hard already. Most important is to follow clear rules, with no human decision as much as possible. Still looking for improvements.


Don Groves    (2006-11-20 07:33:54)
Go : Komi

I feel 7.5 points komi is too much for some Go games. Since we do not use handicaps (which is good, IMHO) should not komi be reduced if White is a higher rated player than Black? For players of equal ability, 7.5 komi is fine, but when I must give Sebastian Ilie 7.5 points, it seems a joke. He beats me by 200 anyway ;-) I suggest komi be reduced by one point for every 100 (or perhaps 200) rating points difference (to a minimum of 0.5) when White is the superior player. What do others think about this?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-20 15:59:46)
Go : Komi

Komi 7.5 points is the 'estimated' fair value while playing perfect (at least pro)...

Since we use elo rating system for Go, I think any handicap (stones or komi) is nonsense, but maybe we could create an unrated category of tournaments, simultaneous games or matches with a handicap... Could be fun & more interesting in some cases.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-11-20 16:40:27)
7.5 or 6.5 ?

In most recent pro games (eg. last meijin match) the komi was 6.5 if I remember well.
Oh, but that was japanese rule ?!? Is that where the difference comes from? hum, I am sure I *knew* that... :-(


Lawrence Nesko    (2006-11-20 18:38:08)
En passant?

Hello again, all. Once more, I apologize if my question has been answered before, but I have searched the Help and Forum sections and can't seem to find an answer.

In one of my current games (#4602), I wish to capture my opponent's pawn en passant. I have a pawn sitting upon e4 and he has advanced his pawn from d-2 to d-4. I had always been under the impression that the proper algebraic notation for the capture would be

exd4 ep

However, this was not accepted in the notation field. I tried a couple of more variations (i.e. exd4 e.p.) to no avail.

Fortunately, I was able to execute the move via the board graphic. The move was noted as exd3. Is that the porper algebraic notation, or is that something that is necessary due to the mechanics of the notation field?

Thanks in advance for your patience and reply.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-20 19:34:05)
En passant

Hello Lawrence.

It seems to me exd3 is the correct notation... (understood by the viewer & Chessbase)


Lionel Vidal    (2006-11-20 21:29:31)
You seems in advance :-)

Well, considering the results of last year pro games (almost a perfect 50-50 result, according to my rather large but admittedly incomplete database) I am not sure a komi change from 6.5 will occur soon, at least in the japanese pro scene... And the number of recent games in gobase that ends in 1 or 1/2 points difference is astonishing :-) (not really significant, I know, as pros have the capacity to keep a tiny edge till the end, reducing it to simplify the game... but still :-))
Anyway, for us, simple and humble go mortals, that does not change much :-)

(but even at my low level I tend to be more aggressive in my fuseki while playing with an opponent of my level or stronger when the komi is 7.5 instead of say 5.5... so considering the increase/decrease (black/white) of aggressive attitude, maybe it is important for most of us because the feeling of a game might eventually change)


Lionel Vidal    (2006-11-20 21:57:03)
Go handicap and rating

Is handicap Go really nonsensical in rated tournaments?
While it seems so in a world championship, where the aim is to determine the stronger player in an absolute sense, why should it be so in a tournament, where the aim is to determine the best player in a relative sense... hum, not a very clean or clear sentence, but I hope you got the idea :-)

In face to face Go, in most amateur tournaments, it is not a problem, and you can win or loose a tournament, win or loose points, playing with an handicap (some tournaments set a limit lower than 9 in the number of handicap stones). I do not know the formulae used to compute the knew ratings, but in practice it works well. (and the same thing works also in Shogi tournaments)

Before WWII, even pros played with handicap (one or two stones at most, more commonly with a fixed color and no komi) and that *for money*!! Nowadays this is not the case anymore: maybe the increase of pro-tournament prizes change the noble way to be the best of two players fighting *their best* at their *respective* level!

Anyway, I think such an idea may be interresting to motivate players: when weaker, I will fight my best because I have a chance to win, and when stronger, I *have* to fight well :-)

We could think of a rating system where you play your first, say, 20 games without handicap to get a starting rating, and then to receive or give handicaps automatically in tournaments. We could then consider a rating as fixed after a bunch of 20 more games...
Or any other system that will always generate tense and dangerous games! That will be, at least for me, a great motivation to play more :-)
(but then I do not care much for my rating :-))


Don Groves    (2006-11-21 00:45:58)
Go: Komi

Hi Thibault, I'm confused as to why elo ratings matter. Go has used komi a long time to compensate for the first move while chess never has. But in chess, you have narrower rating groups, so practically never is an expert matched against a novice. Since in Go we have only three rating groups, these uneven matches happen many times. Until we have enough Go players to have more rating groups, a sliding komi scale would be a way to level the playing field a bit. PS - I'm not interested in traditional Go handicap games -- the empty board is the only true way to begin, IMHO.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-11-21 01:56:08)
Messages

Dan I will answer you via email. I think it is frowned upon to carry chit chat on this link. Very sorry my friend about your son Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-21 11:14:13)
Weather

Hi Ilmars.

Sorry, the weather was quite bad yesterday and we had some electricity problems here :)

I'll respond to your moves today. (I responded already in the Traxler line, please re-send your move to me, thx)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-21 11:22:58)
Go handicap and rating

It makes sense. That's an interesting idea.

However I feel it could be quite difficult to balance the handicap with ratings and to keep the results of the games coherent. Finally, it is another rating system. Thinking about that...

Previous thread - http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_1611-Go-Komi.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-21 11:32:39)
Go: Komi

Stones handicap or Komi handicap is handicap anyway... I'm not sure it makes sense to change the Komi (Lionel would agree, I think).

As I just said in another thread, if we add a handicap system which gives chances enough to weak players against strong players, I'm afraid results & ratings / ranks don't mean anything anymore then, at least more aleatory. This is another game... (and such 'strange' rules might frighten beginners).

I think it could be ok (as another challenge) in an unrated tournaments category.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-11-21 13:47:55)
Komi vs handicap

IMO, Thibault is quite right: it would make no sense to increase Komi instead of playing with handicap stones.
To give points or to give stones is not the same: the very nature of handicap stones is pedagogic, that is to help *both* players to improve. Go strategy is complex, but can often been seen as a delicate balance between power (thickness) and territory (points). Handicap stones are put on Hoshi on purpose: to help the weaker player to build and use thickness, the most difficult concept to master compare to territory, where a beginner can actually count concrete points (or so he believes at first :-)
Playing at 9 handicap stones, or giving, say, 100 points komi is not the same and never will be: the weaker player has no chance with such a komi, because he will have no anchor to help his stones live and will probably be completely destroyed... but much worse, he cannot improve his play easily because he'll never be in a position where he could *try* to think strategically.
IMO, true go is not non-handicap go, but a fair game where the tactical and strategic true nature of the game is preserved. How could we say that, for instance, Dosaku 'Go Saint' games are not true go, when he was at least one stone stronger than all his fellow pro players, giving them Black (no komi at that time) or one,two stones?
The beauty of handicap go is that IMO it *is* still true go :-) You can compare to chess where giving a piece, say a N as Lasker used to do, change the strategic nature of the game through a controlled exchange policy.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-11-21 14:00:19)
French Go Federation rating

Here is a link that shows an example of rating that include handicap-go games

http://ffg.jeudego.org/echelle/echelle_algo.php

Just food for thought, but I like this system because of the balance betwenn fairness and challenge involved.
(sorry but these pages are in french only, but maybe we could check the ratings formulae in AGA?)


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-11-21 18:51:35)
Messages

Dan I have lost your e-mail somehow. Dan, Dorothy and I continue to pray for you and your son. Would you send me your e-mail please. I have more to say that best be personnal. Keep up your faith my good friend Thanks to all members of this forum to allow me to communicate with my friend Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-21 21:30:43)
Go: komi

Hi Don.

As Lionel explained to me a few months ago, Komi shouldn't be interpreted as an advantage or handicap !

I first thought komi could be 0... but it doesn't make any sense in Go philosophy & theory. Komi's purpose is only to make the game fair, and the estimated value seems to be about 6.5 or 7.5


Barry Bell    (2006-11-22 04:42:46)
Introduction - Anyone4chess.com

My name is Barry and after corresponding with Thibault on my website (www.anyone4chess.com) for the last few days, Thibault suggested I drop by and post something about our website. Anyone 4 Chess is not a correspondence chess, we call our system an online a turn based chess system (Association – A4C). The site works on a 7 day cycle for moves and you receive no emails that a move has been made however, if you are entered into one of our free tournaments (all tournaments are free and their will never be any cost to play chess on our system) an email is sent to each player in any tournament that the next round is about to begin. Anyone 4 Chess is an online turn based chess system however, it also hosts the Association dedicated to promoting, supporting and developing an association for webmasters / players who support this type of chess. We believe there is a place for this type of chess (different from correspondence, OTB and real time chess) and the association will work to promote this type of chess following the example of FIDE and other organization to work towards our mandate and goals. Thanks


Barry Bell    (2006-11-22 05:17:38)
Introduction

Thank you Thibault for your warm welcome, please feel free to create a 178 x 159 pixels jpg providing information about your site and I will post it a soon as possible. P.S. this offer is available to any webmaster that runs an online turn based chess system. Thanks again.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-22 13:54:26)
Go engines...

SmartGo is really nice, but I've read Many Faces of Go is a bit stronger (it would play around 8 kyu). I've tried both programs, and I feel they would be weaker at correspondence Go, as reflexion time couldn't improve much their play.

But they are a great way to improve by solving problems and watching pro games.


James Stripes    (2006-11-22 18:16:03)
PGN standard

"En passant captures do not have any special notation; they are formed as if the captured pawn were on the capturing pawn's destination square." http://www.saremba.de/chessgml/standards/pgn/pgn-complete.htm


Barry Bell    (2006-11-23 02:49:56)
Re:

Hi The site works on 7 days to make a move, the clocks are reset after each move. To answer the next question: The site is a free turn based online chess system (a place to play chess free) and it also hosts an association to support webmasters that believe and or support what A4C stands for regarding online chess. As for google, as I mention to ThibaulT, we have no interest in google at this time, we are in the first phase of development and when the third phase is finshed we plan to take full advantage of these options when we are ready. Thanks


Barry Bell    (2006-11-23 06:35:18)
Re:

I also want to mention that our system is very fexiable, with tournament play and normal game play. Example re tournaments: You start the tournament, you get choose whether it is open or closed, you make decisions on pairings if you want or just let the computer decide. You deal with complaints, withdraw or return players in the tournament, declare a winner, draw etc. In other words you cant just set the tournament on auto pilot and forget about it (well I can no else can...grin). Normal play, you find 7 days is not enough time, if the other player agree you baiscly can set your own time frames. Yes an option to claim a win will appear if your opponent does not move in 7 days but you dont have to accept it! I hope this is not to much information. - Thanks


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-23 11:07:34)
Tal-Memorial photos

Many photos from Tal-Memorial tournaments. Some are really funny :)


Tal-Memorial blitz

http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1394

Tal-Memorial

http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1391
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1389
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1384
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1383
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1381
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1375
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/articles/item=1367



Peter Eizenhammer    (2006-11-23 16:00:42)
No information and too ambitious

Visiting the homepage one can read some/few lines and is told that anyone4chess is going to "create the rules of chess" (sic!) and wants to be a "chess entity" "following the example of Fide". Wow, very ambitious. Thinking about it I am not so sure if people would be impressed if I told them that I am a GM created by anyone, ah Anyone. Really, these creative some lines full of hubris could not convince me to register, sorry. Peter


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-11-24 09:27:56)
completely unfair and thus impredictible

The fact that the match conditions have been arranged on such unfair rules has two immediate consequences :
- we already know for sure that Kramnik himself is sure that he could not succeed on a more fair ground
- final result is unpredictible and probably already arranged beforehand

Marc

By the way the rules are really incredible.
Just an example : not only does Kramnik have the final opening book of Fritz at home for preparation, but moreover he will have the right to see Fritz's opening book _during_ the games with the various moves that could be played by the engne according to the player's intended move, together with the associated statistics. so in the unfortunate case where Kramnik could not remember is home killer preparation he will have the various choices presented to his eyes during play. Pretty incredible !
and there are quite a dozen rules like that ... (including the right for Kramnik only to call for an adjournement with subsequent overnight computer- or fellow-GM-assisted analysis ...)
For those who would like to have a look the complete rules are on Susan Polger's blog : http://www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com/



Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-27 19:40:07)
not that Deep?

..CB shooting themselves in the foot as this reveals "Deep" Fritz 10 is reeling in the endings :/

Not so "the others" which wouldn't play that endgame like that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-28 13:38:30)
FICGS chat !

Hello to all.

You probably noticed this new window on the right... :)

This is a chat window, here you can write to everyone in the international chat, and to people from your country only (in your own language !). You can moderate the messages by clicking on the arrow just before each message (please use it with moderation)...

Question is : Should it be permanent or not ??

Two ways :

1. It could appear only from time to time...
2. There should be a way to close the window during the session.

Feel free to tell me if you encounter any problem... Thanks for feedback !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-28 16:24:12)
Improvements

I just added 2 features on the chat window :

Now you can close it by clicking the arrow just before 'International chat'
Now you can refresh the messages by clicking on 'International chat'


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-28 16:53:37)
"Remove comment"

About this feature "Remove comment" : Of course I can see who removed any comment.

I make this site so that it can be auto-moderated. Please remove only abusing posts.

Thanks in advance.


Jason Repa    (2006-11-28 20:32:05)
new chat bar

The "chat" bar you have added to the right of the screen is extremely annoying and makes it difficult to concentrate on the chess position. I am requesting that you remove it. You can put a link to the chat in the left "links" pane. It's not necessary to have to view this annoying chat bar constantly. If you're not willing to remove it, at the very least make it the same color as the rest of the page so it doesn't stick out visually as it does. Thank you!


Daniel Khayman    (2006-11-29 22:44:59)
chat feature

hi there; is there a way to type more than only a few words on the chat window? if not, it should definitely be implemented. thanks, regards.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-29 22:55:24)
chat feature

Hello Daniel.

I had the same thought, I implemented it already, so it will be updated very soon :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-01 11:19:43)
Deep Fritz, Rybka & future

The Chess Challenge 2006 in Bonn between classical world champion Vladimir Kramnik and chess engine Deep Fritz 10 confirms (who ignored ?) the best chess programs can rivalize with the world champion in a match, but it first shows us these calculating monsters still have weaknesses.

Question is : What are the real improvements in Fritz 10 compared to Fritz 9 (engine speaking only) ?

Here is what I think about chess engines nowadays (Fritz 10, Shredder, 10, Junior 10, Hiarcs 10 and particularly Rybka 2.2) :

The way of think to play correspondence chess is (or should be) mostly human one combined with a chess engine algorithm. We follow the tree of moves like a program with our selective algorithm (much better than chess engines), applying our judgement of the position when necessary only. The point is we evaluate moves and we almost never evaluate a position twice.

Chess engines are very good analysis tools but are surprisingly not designed to be very good chess players. I think a major improvement in chess engines should be recognition of 'sufficient moves' : ie. it is no worth to always find the best move at a particular point of the tree, this reflection time could be used later... It depends on the evaluation of the position, on the clocks... Iterative model is quite basic (in a game at least !).

Another point is recognition of traps. This is the start of psychology in chess engines, and basics of the art of war. It first depends on who your opponent is, and on the clocks too. Finally, at the end of the tree, chess engines evaluate positions, but how many evaluate moves ? .. Speculative moves were a step, but it first shew chess engines were not able yet to see what move is worth to be analysed really deeper, consequently creating a 'human' weakness, particularly against some other chess engines.

I don't know how Rybka works, but as far as I read about this one that calculates much less positions (about 10 times) than Fritz, I wouldn't be surprised that Vasik Rajlich had implemented a better approach of human way of think, which is undoubtly the future of chess engines.

A good 'centaur' in ie. Playchess rapid tournaments is first a good choice between Chessbase engines according to the position and clocks. Fritz qualities probably apply best in standard games, where clocks are really designed for him. Among Chessbase engines, Hiarcs is probably the best Blitz player and could be the best correspondence chess player (even if it isn't the best CC tool for humans). Rybka is probably a kind of centaur itself (sorry, herself ;)), knowing when to use (in the tree !) brute force and more selective approachs - not to be compared to Hydra or Deep Blue which, on contrary, use most brute force.

My conclusion is chess engines have much to learn from humans yet, we'll see a Rybka 5 and Fritz 13, with much better results against other chess engines, but their results shouldn't increase a lot against the best humans in future. Finally, it will never be a good correspondence chess player :)

My two cents.


If I find time, I'll continue to implement my own chess engine..... but it's a lot of work :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-01 11:23:50)
buy it!

HAHAHAHAHAHA ! :))

Actually question is : What are the real improvements compared to Fritz 9 (engine speaking only) ? .. I just tried to start an answer in another thread :

http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_1713-Deep-Fritz-Rybka-future.html


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-12-01 21:07:50)
intuition

I haven't got even Fritz 9, so can't answer the question..but regarding engine development, I believe they lack any chess intuition, it would be a major breakthrough to implement one

...although apparently brute force at 40-50 plies = intuition :(


Lionel Vidal    (2006-12-01 21:42:25)
Intuition?! what for?

Don't you think intuition in any abstract game is in fine just a nice word to hide our (that is human) limitation in analytical power?
In many very good chess books (see for instance Watson opus), intuition is indeed shown as not an adequate compensation for a good, reliable, concrete analysis. Of course, for us humans, it is still very useful because the experience of already seen patterns may suggest the very best move in a given position, without even any calculation... but if you had the power to make a complete analysis, would you still use your intuition?

My feeling (and I am not very happy with that, but I don't see any evidence to contradict it) is that in 98% of positions, the brute-force stupid way of computers is already deep enough in the tree of possibilities to find the very best move (at least in any practical sense)... and the 2% left is only interresting for correspondence players... and then, only for the very best who can claim enough expertise, or enough time :-)

Now I am sure chess can still be fun: the old and only true chess way has just been re-edited: "tempête sur l'échiquier" (sorry I don't know the name of the english version)... at least I feel competitive enough :-))


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-01 22:29:35)
Intuition?! what for?

The problem is a "complete analysis" is not possible, in most cases... So intuition (and psychology) - in these 2% of moves - will always have a small place, in a small gap of... a few hundred elo points ! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-02 02:12:06)
Intuition?! What for ?

That is huge, indeed. That's why computers alone couldn't play correspondence chess at a high level... These 2% of moves are enough to beat them, at least to score 3 out of 4.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-12-02 08:55:46)
Intuition?! What for ?

3 out of 4? Really? Which test-matches are you refering to?
Leotard made a test (won :-) and with grand manner) but that was years ago, and besides, he is one of the very best :-)
Then there is the match against a panel of different engines by Ham: even if he does not play at the same level than Leotard, he is quite a good player!... and the results were very far from 3 to 4 for human :-( (that was also years ago!) Then there are the hydra matches... :-( the results are not very good also for humans and the game comments are very instructive: against first class expertise chess knowledge and intuition, the 'dump' brute force machine managed to handle quite well complex ending positions...at least as well as all correspondence players but the very best (I would say the top 20 at most :-()
Maybe there is some recent test I am not aware of?

But the point really is: who can play like, say, Leotard? Of course, he says he can crush computers, just by playing them like 2500 rated players... well, I can believe that... but when I play a fritz-push-button opponent, I am only a 2300 player... have I to use also an engine to have a chance (and one game out of ten, be very proud to have chosen another move than one of the few the engine suggested as best and still not have lost... ok, just kidding :-)?
It can be still fun, but I think it is not the same kind of chess Leotard alludes to when speaking of himself in his after match interview :-)


Charlie Neil    (2006-12-03 15:03:09)
New chessboards

Enormous is big enough! Sometimes size does matter. Thanks Thibault for another improvement to an improving site.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-03 22:10:26)
Google Adsense

Hello to all.

You probably noticed these ads under the search field and on the chat bar.

Google Adsense could work with such a site with more than 24,000 pages viewed per day and constantly increasing, so I try. The idea is quite clear, if Google can sponsorize the server and FICGS championships prizes, they are welcome IMO. Google Adsense is an intelligent system, and adverts are quite relevant.

However, this is a test only ! .. Let's see.

Feel free to tell me what you think, is it unbearable, is it useful ?! .. Thanks for feedback !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-04 01:27:44)
Reminds me something...

Ok, now I'm afraid conditions are 'ok' so that Kramnik looses this match...

Let's say game 6 is a draw, Deep Fritz 10 wins the match by score 3,5-2,5 first program on a normal computer to beat a world champion. Great...

However Vladimir Kramnik can be satisfied of his performance, he obtained a completely winning position and didn't really loose any game. He just gave his opponent a full point in a draw position.

Honor is safe, everyone wins. Like the song, what a wonderful world :)


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-12-04 14:18:02)
intuition

I disagree, chess knowledge can't be equated to intuition, here is my long post about it (why am I writing about the same things all over and over and at the same time of year, I dunno ;)

1. Players without any intuition whatsoever but great working capabilitites (as Botvinnik, Fischer, Kasparov, ..engines..)

-they never relie on intuition (they dont have any at all after all) so everything must be subject to calculation, they have the "hardware" (perfect body and mental conditions, rigorous training, perfect visual/realistic representation of positions and a great chess knowledge which must be kept fresh in mind -if not, they wouldn't have reference points to judge/evaluate resulting positions.

When on top form they can beat anybody and I mean ANY body: human, extraterrestial, ultragalactic, trans-natural, hyper-divine,etc, and for an overwhelming score, like 6-0 ;)..well you know what I mean.

The drawback well you already know it, it last a mig, except for the engines, no-one can keep up with this regime (GK could for a long time, but resorting to short breaks (not playing for WC, choosing carefully where to play etc,) But most important it's impossible to implement for long if the "hardware" -see above- starts to "leak oil" then it's all over..

This can be brought up to an art, like Kasparov or Fischer, it is more powerful than understanding chess as a natural tongue (as intuitive players) because the "top-form" competitive element is always present and the "hardware" works in pristine conditions.

From the above it follows of course that engines are the ultimate chess warrior over the board at least (and only there, not in CC)

2. Those who have strategical intuition. (Capablanca, Petrosian, Karpov maybe Anand..)The general impression is that they are simply lazy people: not need to work out any thing as they just "know" where pieces should go and what the point is of their moves, usually there is no need for deep calculations, just two or three moves (4 to 6 plies) to corroborate the "feeling" and the game is won.

The "feeling" is hard to express in words, and usually is lost if expressed in words ;). It goes beyond a simply pattern recognition, or a full database of chess knowledge, it is about predicting the future possibilities (not having real positions in mind, just the "possibilities" or general lines of play in future positions which may or may not happen to appear for real in the game. They can play for long long time and win a lot of tournaments (Karpov I believe have the record of won tournaments)

3. Those who have special understanding in unbalanced positions (Alekhine, Tal, Korchnoi..) They are dynamic players who love to calculate but not for the sake of finding the best of the best of the best of the moves (as those in group 1 would do), they calculate SOME variations, those who have meaning to them I see them as players of group 2 with a more or less working "hardware" i.e they are not going to trust 2 or 3 moves variations neither they are going to speculate on the future possibilities without any ground/basic calculation under it. Their "feeling" is again hard to express in words, but I believe it is something like calculating a 10-12 plies variation with every position in-between being subconciously excrutinated for crushing unexpected turning moves (this is not done by players of group 1, they would calculate "normal replies" in that 10-12 plies variation and would have to go deeper (like 20-30 plies to see the point ;)

So that "feeling" is what enable us to compose music, create art etc but also it is something that enable us to err like fools :( Whether it can be mimicked by software or not it's an open question but as I said a calculation 40-50 plies deep it's practically equal to using intuition... Obviously the above classification of G Kasparov it's a bit rough in the sense that there are very few "pure intuitive" players (of either group 2 or 3) as mentioned by Don in his post most of the players is a mix of talent I believe, if I had to choose a pure intuitive player from those groups I would point Capablanca and Korchnoi, and of course Kasparov of group 1


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-05 12:52:08)
Tournament just started !

Have good games :)

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__BIG_CHESS__THOUSAND_MEMBERS_EVENT.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-06 00:05:33)
Deep Fritz 10

... wins the match 4-2

It's a shock (even if Kramnik said it and repeated - deeeep fritz is favorite). It's hard to explain such a result.


Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.0-0 Be7 8.Bb3 Qc7 9.Re1 Nc6 10.Re3 0-0 11.Rg3 Kh8 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Qe2 a5 14.Bg5 Ba6 15.Qf3 Rab8 16.Re1 c5 17.Bf4 Qb7 18.Bc1 Ng8 19.Nb1 Bf6 20.c3 g6 21.Na3 Qc6 22.Rh3 Bg7 23.Qg3 a4 24.Bc2 Rb6 25.e5 dxe5 26.Rxe5 Nf6 27.Qh4 Qb7 28.Re1 h5 29.Rf3 Nh7 30.Qxa4 Qc6 31.Qxc6 Rxc6 32.Ba4 Rb6 33.b3 Kg8 34.c4 Rd8 35.Nb5 Bb7 36.Rfe3 Bh6 37.Re5 Bxc1 38.Rxc1 Rc6 39.Nc3 Rc7 40.Bb5 Nf8 41.Na4 Rdc8 42.Rd1 Kg7 43.Rd6 f6 44.Re2 e5 45.Red2 g5 46.Nb6 Rb8 47.a4 1-0


It seems to me it was allowed to Kramnik to consult Fritz opening book, so first why to play 8. ...Qc7 !?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-06 10:09:25)
Player needed

Finally, we still need one more player for a replacement... Any warrior ? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-06 10:53:56)
Scrabble

Why not a scrabble (thinking about that) where all letters are out and ordered before the start of the game ? .. No chancy factor at all, like chess the game is determined. It could be a very deep tactical & memory game, knowing letters of your opponent in advance, depending on your own words... Many interesting combinations, don't you think ?


Volker Koslowski    (2006-12-06 16:48:02)
I will do it

Hi Thibault!

Count me in as replacement, and I hope the experience will be as mad as you said ;)

@Heinz-Geeorg: Surprise, surprise ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-06 18:18:54)
David Bronstein

David Bronstein (February 19, 1924, Bila Tserkva, Ukraine - December 5, 2006, Minsk, Belarus) was not only one of the fathers of anti-computer play, he also drew a challenge match for the title of world champion by a score of 12-12 with Mikhail Botvinnik, the reigning champion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bronstein

He played (and beat) all the first well known chess programs : Rebel, Fritz, Zarkov, Chess player, Deep Thought, Socrates, Saitek Sparc, MChess, Genius, Dark Thought, Deep Blue Jr., XXXX ...

Some of his games - http://www.angelfire.com/on/anticomputer/bronst.html


Thomas Gilbreath    (2006-12-06 23:11:19)
Scoring update

id=cyrano vs. id=gdshields (both games in progress) id=cairo vs. id=miguel_pires (.5/.5 - game in progress) id=ccmacollister vs. Benjamin Aldag (2/0) id=thumper vs. id=wulebgr (both games in progress) id=yanm vs. id=pedrinho (1.5/.5) id=taikaviitta vs. id=richgra64 (both games in progress) id=tag1153 vs. id=macounet (2/0) id=dewillget8 vs. id=ilmarscirulis (1/0 - game in progress) id=mozz vs. id=lejuju (1/0 - game in progress) id=lofix vs. id=cnile (0/1 - game in progress) id=tugger vs. id=kolarz (0/1) - game in progress) id=eqj2 vs. id=errantknight (0/1 - game in progress) The current score stands at id=GameKnot ----- 8, id=FICGS -----3. Please remember that 12.5 points are needed for the win. Contact me should there be any corrections........ Thomas


Mladen Jankovic    (2006-12-07 11:32:57)
Question : Waiting lists

Can you temporarily restrict someone from entering waiting lists?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-07 13:15:56)
Waiting lists restriction

Hello Mladen.

I could implement that, of course... What for ?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-07 17:49:15)
Scrabble

A problem is I doubt I have right to implement Scrabble or such a variant of a trademarked game :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble


Don Groves    (2006-12-08 03:00:18)
Scrabble+

Yes, trademark is a problem ;) I have played a game long ago with a 5x5 grid where each player took turns naming a letter and each had to put that letter somewhere inside her grid. Scoring was one point for each letter that was part of a three-letter word or longer both in the vertical and horizontal directions. This game could be expanded to a much larger board with a few premium squares and with more points for longer words. This may possibly be close to your idea about Scrabble+. You have my permission to implement this and we split the enormous proceeds evenly. OK?


Mladen Jankovic    (2006-12-08 18:56:16)
Re:

It's realy a problem of inadequate conditions (like not owning a chess board and connecting only from public computers). And playing too much games like that can be a frustrating experience, last time I started making dumb moves to just to end games, and reduce the presure.


Lionel Vidal    (2006-12-09 14:34:04)
scrabble+?!

I am not sure this scrabble+ would be a better game than the current face to face competitive version. (the rules imply a game of skill; but also of risk management because of the clock and the correctness you may loose, but willingly give up, in a form of bluff very like poker).

The point is, why would one change a game where players can beat computers if one has enough skill (because computers are still bad at valuating the level of openess of a scrabble position), for a game where a searchable tree is (in theory) enough to play the very best moves?
The game then becomes IMO quite void of fun in correspondence play, because the player skill adds nothing to the computer evaluation. Note the difference in chess, where most correspondence players are convinced they do add and choose something worth improving the play. (although I have just give up the idea to buy an engine... gnuchess is enough for me as a sparring partner, and correspondence analysis, I let it to my shaky brain... for shaky analysis :-), but more fun!... And thank you Thibault, you convinced me to play correspondence chess again :-))

The deepness of the game is another wonder: in the current game I have to ponder many possibilities, an probalistic equipartition (sorry for the bad translation) (and good players always keep the count of the remaining letters)... it seems much more complex, though less analytical, than just wandering along a calculation tree?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-09 19:17:43)
GNUchess

Lionel, are you sure about GNUchess ? .. seems quite weak to me, did you have a try with Fruit, Rybka 1.0 or Toga ?

About Scrabble, what do you think of my idea (several posts above) to eliminate chance completely ? I'm thinking about a new board (and name for the game) with these rules - letters 'out of bag' and ordered already - may look like a chess-scrabble ?!


Lionel Vidal    (2006-12-09 21:24:05)
scrabble+

Your idea for scrabble is interesting but the luck seems still there (not that luck is a problem per se IMO): even if the letters are shown, their very order is luck dependend ; and the only thing that really changes is that you can forsee the letters of your opponent and play accordingly... and so the game is actually more simple (!) IMO, more calculating prone and less strategic because you remove some possibilities, all as likely, in your move tree.
To be more concrete, suppose you can play a scrabble for, say, 75 points, and open the grid for the opponent, or play a nice glue-word for, say 40 points, but let the grid closed enough. In your proposed game, I just have to look at my opponent possibilities, as I know his letters... I calculate one, two or more moves ahead and say, ok, I can open the grid and still win by 10 points. In the normal game, I have to estimate, if the openess of the grid is worth the 35 points difference and that means calculating the rough propabilities to score points on the letters I open, considering what my opponent already played, if he seems waiting for some specific letters, or maybe he is bluffing, but then by experience I know that the double 'e' I let is not very valuable, considering that only four expensive letters remain...and so on: the game seems much more strategic and interesting for me.
Of course, I can loose because my letters are really bad... but that is quite uncommon on a whole game for good players, and almost meaningless on a match with, say, five set or more. (remember that the goal is not to make words, but to score points, or to prevent your opponent doing so on the grid, something a good player can almost always do whatever his letters).

For the chess engine, I did try some, and frankly my level in blitz play is so terrible that gnuchess is enough for me for a quick match:-). Now I tried Fruit and Hiarcs on some of my correspondence games and even on my modest scale, I was not very happy with the result: they did suggest others moves than mine, but that were moves I would never have played (maybe (surely?) I am wrong, but I am not sure)... so what would be the point to waste computer time? Even if they may suggest a good move I missed, I would still feel uneasy to play something 'outside' my own mind... old fashion maybe, but that is how I have fun in chess :-) I still like the waiting of the reply, while wondering if I made an oversight! (that being said, I used and will still use the tablebases reading engine when needed: very useful at some points :-)
But then maybe my biais against engines made me use them badly :-) Never mind, I am not going to apologize for that to a silicon piece of junk :-) And if the beast feels somehow insulted and asks for a real time match, let's just play Go!


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-11 17:32:37)
Portuguese Oppening

Ok, we'll have this thematic tournament :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-14 00:09:56)
Rybka clearly the best engine vs. engine

I fully agree with both of you... We must be careful, even if all these results are really impressive, most chess engines have been designed to play against humans and to be useful analysis tools. As I said in another thread, there are still many things to improve to make it the best engine vs. engine fighter.

Nowadays, the best chess engines try to 'think' like humans and actually have inherited human weaknesses from them, so IMO a Hydra or Deep Blue would crush ie. Shredder or Junior which try to make it harder for human brain while Fritz is clearly better balanced.

Maybe this new engines generation started with Fruit which plays very solid. So Rybka, which is clearly designed to beat his rivals but I'm not convinced at all it is a better tool to play correspondence chess.


Daniel De Noose    (2006-12-13 14:29:26)
Rybka clearly the best ?

This week I have tested Rybka againt 3 others engines.

The parameters :
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Intel Centrino 725 (1,67 Ghz), 64 Mb Hash Tables, games in 10 minutes (+ 2 seconds per move) for each "player", Shredder 9 interface, 20 games' matches, HS-Masterbook Opening book .

The Engines :
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Rybka 2.2 W32, Gambit Fruit 1.0 Beta 4bx, Toga 1.2.1a and Shredder 9.

The Results :
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1) Rybka - Shredder 9 :

15,5 / 4,5 (+13,-2,=5)

2) Rybka - Toga 1.2.1a :

12 / 8 (+8,-4,=8)

3) Rybka - Gambit Fruit :

13,5 / 6,5 (+10,-3,=7)

The comments :
--------------

Rybka seems to be clearly the best for the moment ... I would like to test Rybka against other engines like Fritz 10, Shredder 10, ... but I don't have these engines. Perhaps later... ;-)

Do you have comments about this ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-15 14:20:00)
Ok !

Ok, I'll remove your entry when making the pairings.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-16 03:37:22)
Thematic tournament : Portuguese op.

Waiting list is open :)

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-16 13:06:09)
Correspondence chess time controls

Hello Lennart.

Sorry about that, it's been discussed a lot, as in all other correspondence chess sites: correspondence chess time controls are the source of many problems, I'm afraid without a solution. I can only say that's the better solution anyway.

If 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves is too long for you, feel free to play rapid tournaments at 30 days + 1 day / move time control.

My best, Thibault.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-16 13:16:03)
:)

C'est largement supportable :)

A bientôt.


James Stripes    (2006-12-16 16:21:38)
Rybka vs Kramnik

When Rybka defeats the top human in a match, it will earn something far more important than demonstrating its prowess over silicone opponents.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-16 23:38:52)
What is the best chess program ?

Hello Austin.

You mean the best chess engine or full program ? Anyway, I think interfaces are quite the same, with small improvements in Deep Fritz 10.

About the engines, it depends more on what you expect (style of play) and the use... I would have a small preference for Deep Fritz 10 in all cases.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-17 04:28:02)
Google results

Oldest sites are still best placed on some keywords, but FICGS slowly improves his rank :)

- "Correspondence chess server" :

FICGS is ranked 1st ! then SchemingMind, Chessfriend, Chessworld, ICCF, ChessHere...

- "Correspondence chess" :

Correspondencechess.com, ICCF, USCF, SchemingMind, EWCCF, Chessfriend, British federation, Scottish federation, RedHotPawn, QueenAlice... FICGS now is ranked about 20th.

- "Chess forum" : FICGS is ranked 13th

- "Chess server" : FICGS is also ranked 13th


Not bad after a few months :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-17 05:09:41)
Accedental waiting list sign-up

Hello Austin.

You've been removed from Go tournament waiting list.


Jason Repa    (2006-12-18 07:56:00)
new chat bar

Thanks for allowing players to remove the chat bar in their preferences. It was getting annoying having to manually remove it every time upon logging in.


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-12-18 19:18:21)
Indeed

Yes I dont think Tribault will agree with this as I seem to recall that he said that "most Engine programmers program them to play Humans" or something to that affect. ( I am too lazy to check out Thibault's direct quote). Having said that It is my believe that they direct their respective programts to beat other programs. Reason being that it promotes sales better. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-19 19:04:38)
Revenge

It seems the match already started :)

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3553


Pablo Schmid    (2006-12-22 01:08:47)
Vacation

"You have x days leave remaining for year 2006" Ca veut dire que le 1er janvier on reçoit tous nos nouveaux jours de vacances?


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-22 11:18:16)
Vacation

Right, you can take your x days leave remaining until december 31.

On january 1st, everyone will have 30 days (no more, there's no addition !) leave for year 2007.


Steve Sabean    (2006-12-23 16:58:08)
Traxler/Wilkes-Barre

I have heard from many players of a wide range of strength that the Traxler is busted for Black. The trouble is, none of them appear to have proof. A few years ago, I played in a Traxler thematic in IECG. I had a great time, learned a lot, and managed second place overall. My own assessment is: unclear, but Black is probably OK. So, why not have a Traxler thematic tournament here on FICGS, to settle the matter once and for all. :D Maybe it could be a double round robin, to be fair to those who feel that one side or the other has the advantage. I would sign on for such a tournament. Nice Latvian, btw.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-24 11:57:24)
Traxler/Wilkes-Barre

Hello Steve.

We had 2 Traxler thematic tournaments already :)

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000014.html
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000015.html

Maybe we'll have another one (or double round-robin, why not) :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2006-12-26 14:48:40)
What about 13.Nc3?

Now I remember why I didn't like a move 13.Nc3.

Look at it:
13.Nc3 dxc4 14.Qh5 Be6 15.Ne2 Qd5 16.Ng5 e3+ 17.Kg1 h6 18.Nxe6 Qxe6 19.dxe3 Qd6 and black has serious chances to draw.


Miguel Pires    (2006-12-26 21:20:05)
Thematicall Tournaments

Thibault de Vassal i think in the thematical tournaments you should put an double round robin, not only one round. I've played some thematical tournaments and that is what append. Just my opinion Regard's Miguel Pires


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-26 22:40:28)
Double round robin

In 'theory', that's fully right... I finally chose single round robin because double round robin means 6 games more per tournament, meaning less tournaments, less opponents and so on. As thematic tournaments are friendly - not rated - score is not so important, it's more interesting to play different openings IMO.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-27 20:51:21)
Ratings

Hello Jason.

Next rating calculation will occur on 2007, january 1st

All informations about rating calculation are here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating

How many games must be completed until the rating is regular : 9 rated games


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-28 11:30:57)
Amazing

That's funny to see how this thematic tournament (portuguese opening) attracted players from Portugal.

I wonder if french players would fight for french defense the same... :-)

A high-rated one with a very strong correspondence chess player !

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000020.html


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-12-28 20:48:53)
open challenge

sorry, remove me from challenge...Thanks anyhow Wayne


Don Groves    (2006-12-29 04:47:56)
Cheating

Chess tournament organizers need only to contact casino owners who have been dealing with these problems for a long time and likely are experts at detecting all forms of cheating.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-29 14:48:31)
To be continued

It has been discussed already, my conclusion was vacation had to be hard to use enough, in order to reduce influence on time controls, ie. a player shouldn't be able to take days to think more time when having difficulties in some games and cancel his 'holidays' after finding a solution... So it has to be discussed. Anyway, I'll add a message specifying vacation can't be canceled when taking days leave.

Reminder :


http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing

11. 4. Time rules

Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time. Time accumulated in a game can't exceed 100 days. Please don't call referee since you see your opponent's clock 'Out of time', you just have to wait a few hours a robot automatically adjuges the game.

Please be aware that it's possible sometimes your internet provider or a point between the server and you may block the connection between the server and you. Even it's a rare thing, it's strongly recommended to always have several days left at your clock. No result will be reconsidered or time added due to such a technical problem. No time will be added due to any problem during a period less than 1 day long.

It is possible to take a maximum of 30 days leave per year, called vacation. During this time, clocks are frozen and it is no more possible to play, in order to reduce the effects on time controls.

Please note the time limit per move clock still runs during vacation. Take your days carefully, as it's not possible to take back or displace your leave dates. However you can add days leave.


Dinesh De Silva    (2006-12-29 18:33:20)
An English translation needed......

Could any Spanish speaking player please translate the following to English? It would be much appreciated: "Estimados amigos, A fin de evitar mayores problemas en vuestra partida, he decidido que ambos jugadores envíen copia de sus mail obligatoriamente a mi dirección hasta el final de la partida. Yo recibiré esos mails y los archivaré en una carpeta especial."


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-12-30 11:24:05)
translation

I am far from knowing spanish fluently but I think that this can be translated so :
"Dear friends, in view of avoiding major problems in your game, it has been decided that both players should send a copy of their mails to myself until the the end of the game. I will keep these mails in a special folder."

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-31 14:53:21)
Blitz correspondence chess

Hello Charlie & Elmer.

Still thinking about it, I don't think it should look like standard OTB time control, some points are :

- How many games played at the same time (2-game match or tournament) ?

- Entries in waiting list will have a life period (someone agrees the challenge in the next hour, if not it's canceled)

- Adjournment is a big issue... It could cause many problems :/

- Too many time controls is not good IMO.


Graham Wyborn    (2007-01-02 13:23:11)
Sledge Hammer to crack a nut!

The rules seem too hard to me. I am locked out of this until the 10th January. This is the only site that I use that does not allow you to cancel holidays. Nor am I allowed to move whilst on holiday, which other sites allow.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-01-02 16:36:42)
Re:

Hi, Marc or Elmer I need an English translation for the following message too: " Queria aclararle solamente que yo no había recibido el mail que esta reenviando. Por favor, asegurese que su servidor este funcionando bien. A partir de este momento, de no recibir alguno de vuestros mails, si despues hay un reclamo de parte de alguno de ustedes, deberé tomar como que el mensaje no se envió, cargando el tiempo perdido al jugador en falta. Esta medida la tomaré de ahora en mas a fin de evitar inconvenientes y que la partida finalice de la mejor manera posible. Pasando en limpio, en caso de no tener copias de vuestros envios, deberé decidir a favor del reclamante sin más tramite. Saludos cordiales y Feliz Año Nuevo."


Miguel Pires    (2007-01-02 17:22:41)
Re:

I'm going to try to translact this correctly: Queria aclararle solamente que yo no había recibido el mail que esta reenviando. "I wana elucidate you that i've not received the mail that you are recending" Por favor, asegurese que su servidor este funcionando bien. "Please, make sure that your mail server is working properlly." A partir de este momento, de no recibir alguno de vuestros mails, si despues hay un reclamo de parte de alguno de ustedes, deberé tomar como que el mensaje no se envió, cargando el tiempo perdido al jugador en falta. "After this moment, if i don't received some of your mails, and some of you make a complain, i assume that the message was not send, and the time lost is charged to the player that i've not received the message." Esta medida la tomaré de ahora en mas a fin de evitar inconvenientes y que la partida finalice de la mejor manera posible. "I make this to try to avoid any incovinients and to the game finish in the best whay possible" Pasando en limpio, en caso de no tener copias de vuestros envios, deberé decidir a favor del reclamante sin más tramite. "(I think is this the first word's) Making a resume, in any case of i don't have copies of your envoices (mails), i'm going to decide in favor of the player how complain, without any discussion (i think is this) Saludos cordiales y Feliz Año Nuevo. "Best regard's and Happy new year" I hoppe i help you Miguel Pires PS: Sorry the bad english :)


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-01-02 18:19:12)
my try

Miguel was quicker, here is my shot at it anyway (I thought it was a requirement for a referee in international CC to have a good command of English..]

====

I only wanted to clarify [to you] that I did not receive the mail that [you] are re-sending. Please, make sure that your [email] server is working well. As of this moment, if I do not receive any of your mails, [and then] there is a claim from anyone of you, I will assume that the message was not sent, charging the time spent to the player who default [didn't send a copy]. I will adopt this measure from now on in order to avoid missunderstandings and that the game finishes the best way. In summary, in case of not having copies of your mails, I will have to decide in favour of the claiming party immediately. Warm greetings and Happy New Year

=====


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-01-02 18:26:09)
Re:

Elmer, Thanks. The translations seem to be correct.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-02 19:34:16)
Blitz correspondence chess

It has not, you're right... but 2 games / 2 days may cause some problems...

Maybe a unique game - unrated - with the player who entered the waiting list first playing White could be a good solution.


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-01-02 19:36:48)
draw offers

sorry, I have never observed the small envelope. I guess I was right in my statement above " Then again perhaps I am the only careless one here" oh well , thank you Wayne


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-01-02 20:43:37)
Blitz correspondence chess

Programming problems you mean?

In a 1-game match I would gladly play Black all the time :) -provided that if draw Black "wins" of course-

It's tricky to make a fair 1-game match; the old proposal of giving odds to White (first two consecutive moves in a MUST WIN -other result loses- situation) would give White -I reckon- 60-to-70% chance to win, which is about the same odds as playing Black for a draw. But it's something new, which could be tested. Here I could play Black just to try to prove me wrong, lol.




Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-03 01:08:07)
Blitz correspondence chess

Of course not :)

I mean I don't think everyone can play 2 games one 'today' and one 'tomorrow', or even be sure they really could play 'tomorrow'... There would be problems for sure with a "rendez-vous" system.

The advantage of playing White is probably not much greater (maybe not greater at all) than playing Black and to know who's your opponent, particularly with a standard time control, what do you think ?

Anyway everything is possible if no solution is clearly best, but we must avoid the old proposal with White playing ie. the 2 first moves IMO. It may be a funny variant to offer, but this is not real chess game.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-03 01:10:49)
No problem :)

It's always good discussing rules... See you on the board - goban ;)


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-01-03 11:00:42)
Blitz correspondence chess

Well, as long as it's an unrated chess game, you can call it Silver Thematic and virtually any variation would qualify as a real chess game..

The way the winner is chosen in a 1-game (or 2-game for that matter) match is what is debatable, it's a little advantage to have White that's why having Black would be good if the color decides.

I think that players would agree to enter a tournament under some conditions (e.g. as playing on Satuday 3pm & Sunday 3pm), people were/are happy to enter the Chessbase "marathon" (freestyle with 3 rounds per day) and most here hang around making several moves per day in their CC games every day, so it's a matter of agreement about the appropiate time (easier to achieve with just two players (2-game match) than a tournament of course)

Maybe a poll would help although the players who would enter these events may not be even registered to FICGS yet, lol


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-03 12:04:10)
Blitz correspondence chess

Actually I'm thinking about 1-game match in the classical way, there will be draws, hard to avoid it. "Silver thematic" is a good idea for another category (ie. with no draws). About tournaments with several rounds / several days, well, why not... maybe later :)


Miguel Pires    (2007-01-03 14:20:29)
Elo Question

Hello, For elo calculation what elo the system use, the current or the elo from the start of the tournament?


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-01-03 18:14:36)
Elo questiion

Interesting Pires. I have similiar experience I drew a game with a higher TER than m e, yet I lost points, no many though. I give up trying to figure out the rating scheme knowing that it applies to us all equally, thats enough for me cheers Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-01-03 20:49:41)
Game end time stamp

hi Thibault I have found it at times that I would like to know the date of a game result. Is this difficult to implement ? Do u think it is worthwhile. Just an idea Wayne


Charlie Neil    (2007-01-03 23:04:06)
Blitz Chess on Ficgs

Hello Thibault and New Year greetings to you and your team. Blitz on ficgs. I've beeen thinking, would it be possible to have "real time" games? The human element is the difficult one there. As for the tournament set-up, how about a six round swiss system? Speaking as one down in the ratings basement, single pairings with a rapid time limit in the swiss pairing set-up would be fun. Setting games between opponents on a real time basis I imagine will be very difficult so, what about a really rapid time limit tourney 10 days plus a day a move. I'm sure there lots of options available. Well it's just a thought. No one likes drawing in a Swiss tourney, you have to play for the win!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-03 23:57:33)
Blitz Chess

Hello Charlie, happy new year :)

What do you mean 'real time' games ? What about a time control like 10 moves / 1 hour or 40 moves / 2 hours ?

I'm not sure to understand the point... Swiss system means 6 rounds not played at the same time with complex pairings. Not usual in correspondence chess. Anyway, quite hard to win a round-robin with draws, isn't it :)


Charlie Neil    (2007-01-04 12:07:29)
Blitz Chess on Ficgs

Hello Thibault, By "Real Time" I mean both players are on the site, at the board at the same time. " The rendez-vous system" as you called it. The Swiss system of pairings by rating and then the second round having the winnners play the winners and those with no points play each other and so on into the next 4 rounds just may work I think, draws are then discouraged. If it is possible to play 40 moves in two hours on this site that would be brilliant! But how about 2 hours each for the whole game! Games lasting 4 hours maximum would be a challenge, and maybe fun. Along with the correspendence chess features. Ficgs would have it all! But then "you may call me a dreamer but I'm not the only one".


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-04 12:43:32)
Blitz Chess

:)

Yes, it's possible... I've to implement some things (auto-refresh of 'My games' page in case of a fast game in the list, maybe with a pop-up window), but 2 hours for the whole game may be hard due to the way to send moves... 10 moves / 1 hour or 40 moves / 2 hours could be interesting.


Karsten Fyhn    (2007-01-07 13:54:27)
Please remove me from the waiting list

Please remove me from the waiting list for FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000002. I am starting two other tournaments elswhere in mid January, so I dont have time for this one. Sorry.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-07 15:53:27)
Waiting list WCH 02

Hello Karsten.

Ok, you will be removed when making the pairings.

Best wishes.


Barry Bell    (2007-01-07 18:50:34)
Association Website

Well, the second phase of development has started and you can visit the Anyone 4 Chess association webpage at http://www.association.anyone4chess.com this is not a online playing site and their are no logins required. It is dedicated to providing information and tool to webmasters and people who may want to become a webmaster of a online chess system. The site is young but we that over the next several months to have enough content to be of value to the new and old webmaster. Thanks


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-07 21:55:13)
chat (bug)

... was a small bug created when I added this option to remove permanently the chat bar (in preferences). Only new players were affected since that moment :/ .. Thanks !

I had to reinitialize this option for everyone, so feel free to remove the chat bar again if needed. Sorry about that.


Jaimie Wilson    (2007-01-08 18:00:37)
ECF ratings

There seem to be two formulae for converting between ECF (formerly the BCF) and FIDE ratings. The old one which still seems to be in use is ECF x 8 + 600 = FIDE ELO. A Newer formula I have seen is ECF x 5 + 1250 = FIDE ELO. This newer formula rates ECF players higher on the FIDE scale than the old one did. I don't know which is more accurate although I certainly like to believe that the old formula underestimates us a little bit. It's as clear as mud.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-08 18:14:32)
Chessbazaar

Good luck with this new chess site, Marc :)

What pictures are you talking about, Charlie ?? .. I may have problems to see it on this computer, I'll look at it on another one tomorrow...


Scott Prestwood    (2007-01-09 17:56:13)
Other names/lines

It may be of interest to know that the Scandinavian offers another line to this position; 1.e4 d5 2.Nf3. Other names for it are Chigago, Lisitsin, Lemberg, and Tennison, sometimes spelled with a 'y'. Scott


Luca Purreli    (2007-01-11 13:39:07)
I need to be removed

I wish to be removed from WCH.00002... please....in this period of time and for the next months I don't have enough time...... Regeards, Luca


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-01-13 11:23:38)
WikiEndings?

..is it feasible? (I'm sure it is, it's just a rhetorical question ;)

I believe endgame theory (and players) would benefit from a endgame section in Wikichess contributed by members taken from their practice, especially if general "rules of thumb" and guidelines are outlined together with analysis. Specially interesting I think would be many-pawn endings and other practical endings which are given poor coverage in the books and are less investigated (and, as it seems, there are always holes in the analysis even from very strong players, there would be a lot of room for improvement of the articles until a general consensus is reached)

Subsections could be created in the lines of the ECO classification for endgames, it would then be easy to find/correct/contribute in a given position.

Any thoughts?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-15 12:10:16)
Draw declared

Hello Wayne.

You mean if a draw can happen without offer AND acceptance by both players ? Two cases...

1/ The referee grants a draw (according to rules).

2/ A stalemate position automatically generates a draw offer.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-15 12:18:28)
Go : Korean awards

Korean awards 2006

Best player of the year: Lee Sedol, 9-dan
Fighting spirit prize: Seo Bongsu, 9-dan
Best junior master: Paek Hongsuk, 5-dan
Top female prize: Rui Naiwei, 9-dan
Best Korean amateur: U Dongha, 7-dan
Most popular male and female players: Lee Changho, 9-dan and Park Chiun, 6-dan


Korean records 2006

The highest number of wins: Lee Sedol, 9-dan, 78-28
The highest winning percentage: Paek Hongsuk, 5-dan, 77%
The longest winning streak: Lee Sedol, 9-dan, 14 games straight (2.13.2006 -3.21.2006)


From IGN "Goama" newsletter - http://gogame.info


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-01-15 19:01:00)
Draw declared

okey dokey 1) no Stalemate ! 2) if it was adjudicated I was not aware of it. Not to worry. Thank you Wayne


Sandor Marton-Bardocz    (2007-01-16 18:29:21)
Conditional Move

Hi there! I noticed that there was a topic regarding conditional moves but it is closed. I think that conditional moves, aren't a bad thing after all..it should be implemented..Just think about the first moves of a game....for now, even the weakest players play theory ( fritz database or something)and this implies that the first moves will be played rather fast...Then why spend time clicking around to get to the games on a starting tournament over&over again, just to play the well known moves? U can overcome the "irritation" issue by limitating the use of conditional moves. Let's say every player has the right to use for example ...10 conditional moves in the begining of the game (in the first 15 moves for example). After that in 10 to 10 moves have let's say 2 possibilities to use conditional moves...This way it's erradicated the annoyance of countless use of premoves. Btw. I think that the example of those players who might use Fritz or whatever chessprogram to play, and then premove the lines indicated by the engine isn't really good..Only if the opponnent against whom they use it ...playes using the same lines indicated by ....an engine :-) Otherwise I can't realise how on earth the replied moves can be the same and matching with....or those lines are really forced..and if that is the case then the use of premoves is normal. Thank You.


Peter Schuster    (2007-01-17 04:56:27)
First FICGS WCH

Hello, when starts the semi-finals in the first FICGS WCH knockout tournament? best wishes Peter Schuster


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-17 11:24:53)
Conditional Move

Hello Sandor.

Still I have no time enough to implement this major change :/ .. This question, premove / conditional moves, will be debated again & again anyway.

My best. Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-17 11:31:32)
Hi Benny

Welcome back ;)

Hope you had a nice journey. That's a pity you lost your games (FICGS vs. Gameknot also) on time, but I guess it would have been difficult to continue...

Your videos are great, especially lesson 8 (with your music). Actually it seems to be some games analysis. Did you use a particular software to make it ? .. Keep us informed of updates :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-17 17:59:25)
2nd FICGS chess world championship

Hello to all.

2nd FICGS chess WCH just started only 6 months after the first one and with about 75% players more.


24 tournaments with an elo average from 1620 to 1698, 1 group M (elo average 2363) and 4 quarter final matches in the knockout tournament :


GM Farit Balabaev (2569) - FEM Wolfgang Riemer (2415)
Thibault de Vassal (2514) - FEM Wolgang Utesch (2460)
SM Peter Schuster (2537) - FIM Harry Ingersol (2456)
Wolfgang Kund (2557) - SM Wladyslav Krol (2423)


By seeing the first moves, I predict the 4th quarter final will be a very exciting match with risky games :)

Thanks to all for enjoying these tournaments, I wish you good games and may the best player win !

http://www.ficgs.com/category__ficgs__chess__wch.html


WCH waiting list will stay open during next months for eventual replacements.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-17 19:01:46)
Wch Stage 2

Hi, Wayne. Good games ;)

Stage 2 should begin in a few days/weeks. Only 1 decisive game to finish before I can make pairings. It will quite look like stage 1 : Round-robin tournaments involving winners of previous stage & semi-final matches in the knockout tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-17 23:05:51)
Ok

Ok, I'll remove you from pairings. I guess it will be difficult to be more accurate (less than 1 month) about next stages... Maybe WCH 1 stage 2 shouldn't start so near WCH 2 stage 1


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-17 23:59:52)
Chess engines ratings

Some useful links about ratings and statistics for all well known chess engines : Rybka (2.2, 2.1 ..), Deep Fritz 10, Deep Shredder 10, Deep Junior 10, Hiarcs 11, Zap!Chess paderborn, Loop 10.32, Toga II, Fruit 2.2, Glaurung 1.2, Spike 1.2, Smarthink, Naum 2.0, Ktulu 8.0, CM9000, CM10th, Fritz 9, Chess Tiger 15, Chess Tiger 2007, Ruffian 2.1, List 11 and many others...

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/rating_list_all.html
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_120_ratinglist/ratinglist/rangliste.html
http://web.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/list.htm


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-18 11:58:31)
Titles update from FIDE / ICCF / IECG

Hello to all.

A reminder : "It is possible to update the best title obtained from FIDE, ICCF or IECG just by sending an email to FICGS."

Rule 11.8 - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating

I just updated titles from IECG for Dinesh de Silva (FIM), Harry Ingersol (FIM) and Wolfgang Riemer (FEM). Congrats :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-01-18 17:39:24)
draw offers

gad !, I am terribly sorry. I have two reactions: 1) I am very glad that the program draw logic is sound without a crack. 2) I am terribly embarrased, I just cannot remember asking. As I said tho the draw was very appropriate, And I thank my opponent who is a stronger player than I for accepting. My best to both you and He. Wayne


Barry Bell    (2007-01-19 03:13:05)
Chess Ring

Hello I have already announced the new chess association located at http://www.association.anyone4chess.com however, I also wanted to mention the new chess ring located at http://www.chessring.anyone4chess.com even though the ring is only available to webmasters that run online chess systems, there is an optional link section that is available to any chess player that would like to advertise (place a link) to their chess website. Thanks


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-19 09:38:38)
Chess Ring

Hello Barry, thanks for your email & post about this new chess ring. If I remember well there are 2 'well known' other chess rings on the internet. As for FICGS, I prefer to link directly to chess sites. Soon, there will be a top of best referers on the home page too.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-19 11:41:07)
FICGS login & registration problems

Hello to all.

It seems there are some login, password recovery & registration problems for a few players. I'm looking for an explanation...

Some can't register without getting message "please enter the correct number" while they did enter it, so it may be a format problem for numbers. (in this case please write to the email at the bottom of the page)

If you failed to obtain a new password that works with password recovery, just try once more and it will 'most probably' work.

Really strange... I'm inquiring.

An example : "Although I got a new password I was not able to use my account from my PC!-So I decided to log in from my colleague´s one and it worked - I don´t know why."

So some computers could send a format for numbers that the program does not recognize yet. (?!)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-19 21:25:20)
Chess forums

Nice best of !


I add these ones :

Chess Chat (australia)
http://www.chesschat.org/

Chess Exchange
http://www.chessexchange.com/forum/


And a last one I don't know much but seems a big russian forum :

Chess Portal.ru (russian)
http://www.chessportal.ru/


Spiros Lois    (2007-01-21 12:09:13)
rank explanation

what are the SM, FEM, FIM ranks in some players in the rating list? i only know GM = grandmaster IM = international master


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-21 13:48:44)
Go and chess, IGN Goama newsletter

From IGN Goama newsletter by Alexander Dinerchtein - http://www.gogame.info


Go and Chess ­ Two Games, Shared Experiences

Chess and go show are similar in many ways, yet it's always strange to see how the masters of each game try to "invent the wheel", instead of benefiting from the knowledge of their colleagues.

Let's consider sharing experiences!

These ideas can be useful even for strong Asian Go professionals:

1. Currently, only a few pros use Go databases and programs for studying. It is easy to find commentaries, written by 9-dan masters, which state that a move is new and has never been played before. Yet if one checks such moves in Go databases, one can sometimes find up to 100 examples from professional games. How can they cheat the readers who study these commentaries?

Once in Korea, I showed the Bigo Assistant program (similar to GoGod, MoyoGo and SmartGo) to Lee Sedol's brother Lee Sanghun, 5-dan, who is the director of a large children's Go school. He was surprised and said that the program looked very useful, and he added that he had never met this kind of program before. He even suggested deleting all amateur games and games played on Go servers, because of their low quality. I promised to order the programs and to install them on the school's computers if he liked this idea, but he did not follow up. Lee Sanghun, 5-dan was not able to break the traditions of his forefathers …

2. Even such top chess players as Kasparov, Kramnik and Topalov enlist the support of trainers during important tournaments and matches. During the Communist era, almost every Russian grandmaster worked on behalf of world championship candidates. Our government forced them to help, to show them new moves and ideas. Those who refused to help were punished severely: for example, sometimes a player would be prohibited from playing in tournaments abroad and would be refused foreign visas.

We do not see this in Go. Everyone thinks only about his or her own self. Do you know who is currently assisting Lee Changho? I don't know, either!

3. I would like to say a few words about playing technique. Chess players often used to write the move on paper first and then make it on the board. This helps to avoid impulsive moves and to prevent blunders. Go masters record the game afterwards, and so one can often find terrible mistakes, such as overlooking ataris and recapturing ko without playing a ko threat first. As an example you may see Black's move number 271 from this game: http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/collection/sgfview.php?id=10828 I am sure that if a player looked at their move at least twice ­ before they write it on paper and after ­ they would not make such mistakes.

4. Even top Go tournaments are usually run by the knock-out system so we often see sensational results. Mightn’t it be reasonable to think about increasing the number of games in each round? If rounds were best-of-three (in case of time constraints, it would be possible to use blitz time controls for the third game), it would help to minimize sensations.

How about organising a definitive World Go Championship? Chess players have contested one for more than 100 years, and competitions for this World Championship have revealed the very best players of each generation. In Go it's harder to tell which player is true champion. In 2006, for instance, one international tournament was won by Lee Changho and another one by Lee Sedol, while Cho U won the largest amount of prize money. Whom can we call the World Champion? Who can say which tournament is the most important : LG, Samsung, Fujitsu, Chunlan or another? We don't even have a unified rating system …

If we determined a single World Go Champion, he might earn the same degree of popularity as Garry Kasparov achieved in chess, and this could have a very positive influence on Go popularity around the world!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-21 13:59:06)
FICGS titles

Hello Spiros.

FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM are titles awarded by FICGS.

Requirements are not the same as in ICCF but it quite looks like : ICCF titles are EM (Email Master), IM (International Master), SM (Senior Master), GM (Gran Master).

Note : In rating list, a GM player could be a FIDE GM or ICCF GM...


See rules (11.7 - 11.8) :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-21 14:31:00)
Chess ratings

Hello to all.

I have been submitted this case :

"Rating system: Look at this situation: Current rating ot the player: 2200, 10 games, all players with TER 2200, result 9=, 1+ Case 1: Finished games: 01.01-28.02: 9= --> New rating 01.03: 2200 01.03., no other finished games in this period: --> New rating 01.05: 2228 Case 2: Finished games 01.01-28.02: 9=, 1+ --> New rating 01.03: 2200 --> New rating 01.03. 2214 In case 1 the value of the won game was 28, in case two it was 14. IMO the value of a result should not depend from the number of games you finish in a period. The value of a result only should depend on the rating of both players that they have at the start (preferable) or at the finish date of the game and the result. And the rating formula should be like NewRating = LastRating + SumOfAllValuesOfFinishedGamesInThisPeriod. That's the way (idea) IECG is computing the ratings."


This result looks quite normal to me as a player's level may increase as time passes. Rating calculations are done after periods long enough to avoid big differences... I don't know if you're right about IECG rating calculation, FICGS ratings seem to evolve quicker and I think it's best. By the way this system is used by several chess federations.

Best wishes.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2007-01-21 15:16:26)
Chess ratings

I have formatted my message (and partly corrected) to be able to read the text better.

Rating system:
Look at this situation: Current rating ot the player: 2200,
10 games, all players with TER 2200, result 9=, 1+

Case 1: Finished games:
01.01-28.02: 9= New rating 01.03: 2200
01.03. 1+, no other finished games in this period: --> New rating 01.05: 2228

Case 2:
Finished games 01.01-28.02: 9=, 1+ --> New rating 01.03: 2214

In case 1 the value of the won game was 28, in case two it was 14.

IMO the value of a result should not depend from the number of games you have finished in a period. The value of a result only should depend on the rating of both players that they have at the start (preferable) or at the finish date of the game and the result. And the rating formula should be like
NewRating = LastRating + SumOfAllValuesOfFinishedGamesInThisPeriod.

That's the way (idea) IECG is computing the ratings.


Lionel Vidal    (2007-01-21 17:49:41)
Go and Chess

About your point number 3... A chess world champion could very well note its moves before playing and yet be mated in one move :-)
In Go pro-matches, the moves are usually recorded during play by another (younger :-) pro, who has also to deal with time keeping: it makes sense not to disturb gods at play by basic housekeepings :-). I remember an article on the WEB counting the numbers of obvious blunders in go pro-games, and it was *very* low compared to chess.

Concerning your point 2, it is not quite true AFAIK: most top pros run a school of younger pros or wanabe pros who play and analyse numerous games on the Master supervision (He does rarely play with students and then it is a great honour!). So a master does not not really analyse alone, but discuss many ideas with others.

Concerning your point 4, I think that increasing the number of games would change the playing calendar too much and a pro cannot play many more games by year without consequences on his results... even at my very low level, I find a go game *much* more tiring than a chess one (here I mean a face to face game, not correspondence or server go... something I still don't manage to get used to :-)
BTW, I also find that recovering from a loss in go is much more difficult (again I mean face to face Go) than in chess: maybe because of a higher involment, maybe it is just me. What do others players think?
Another point is that a pro is paid by the federation (a fixed amount depending on its rank, not linked with his gains in tournaments that are much more important), and have to give some services to the community: lessons, conferences, teaching games... and so on... and this is more true for the lowest ranked pros!


Michael Finkelstein    (2007-01-22 08:39:51)
problems with playback --

Whenever I play back a game and hit the move button, the computer screen drops down a quarter of a page and I have to move the screen up to get to the move buttons. I use firefox as my browser I came here from playing a lot at queen alice. That site has an easier to use and more informative interface. For instance, allowing me to download my games in progress all at once instead of one at a time; also, have a light by the name of a player to indicate he is online; a buddy list, etc.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-22 11:26:58)
problems with playback

Hello Michael.

Sorry, so many things to implement yet :)

What do you mean 'Whenever I play back a game' ?

I use Firefox and Explorer and I didn't see that until now ?! (if I understood well)

I'll add a download button for all games, right now you can try to click the printer icon in 'My games', there's a list of your games in PGN format.

You can see who's online at the bottom of the page 'My messages' or go to http://www.ficgs.com/informations.html

My best.


Dan Rotaru    (2007-01-22 22:13:20)
WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP Waiting list

Hello. I registered on the waiting list for FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000002 on January 17 so I assume I am on for replacements during next month. However there are quite a few people before me on the waiting list so I am not sure what my chances to play are. Would it be possible to predict if I can play? I would like to start another tournament by I don’t want to have the surprise to have too many games at once. Or will it be wise to wait? Thank you! BTW. I really enjoy this site :-).


Michael Finkelstein    (2007-01-23 04:37:26)
problems with playback --

Dear Thibault, Thank you for your kind attention to my issue. I appreciate your efforts here very much. When I am at the start of a game which I wish to play back, I hit the forward button to play the next move -- when I do so the screen drops a quarter of a page. I then have to go to my screen up button to move the screen up again so I can see the move buttons. Or, when it is my turn to move, I click on the piece I want to move, and the screen again drops down a quarter of a page -- so I have to do a screen up button to get back to the board and click on the square I want to go to. I assume this is a unique problem to me since I saw no posts on it. What do you think, do I need to do a better job of explaining my situation? In regard to the light by the names of people online, I find it helpful when I logon and go to my games to see in one view which of my opponents is online, that way I can know if I will be making several moves before I log out since my opponent is online too. It is more tedious to search on my messages to see if any of my opponents is online. It would also to nice to have a buddy list so I could see stats in one view on my friends here. Thank you so much for allowing us to download all our games in progress at once. I did not mean to be critical. This is a nice site and you do a nice job here. Thank you again for your response to my question. Mike


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-23 11:57:21)
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

Hello Hossein.

According to the rules, I'll make replacements 15 days after the start of the stage.


Dan, your chances to play in WCH 2 stage 1 are about 99 % :)

Best wishes.


Michael Finkelstein    (2007-01-23 21:25:52)
problems with playback --

Thibault, When you are looking at your own game, or any game in the site, you see the chess pieces on the chess board on your computer screen. Belown the chess board are the arrows to move the pieces forward and back in the game in order to replay it. When you click on the arrows to move a piece forward or back as you replay the game, the screen drops a quarter of a page. Thus, to get back to the arrows to replay another move in the game you have to scroll the screen up. Also, I just noticed that when viewing my game where it is my turn to move, the arrows for replaying the game are not present. This is a problem since I may not have played that game in many days and would like to replay before making my move to remind myself of how I got into the position. This is a nice play to play, but I do think you shoud visit queenalice.com to see some of the nicer features that you can incorporate here to make the experience better. Thank you for your kind consideration, Thibault. Mike PS I note that when I write here I do put in paragraph spacing but it does not show up in the preview or post. Yet your messages do have paragraph spacing -- how do you do that?


Dan Rotaru    (2007-01-24 16:42:19)
Suggestion for rating period

I would suggest that the rating period to be monthly instead of every 2 months. I understand the reason for longer periods between calculation being to avoid big differences but 2 months seems a little bit too long for me. I have noticed that some players with high provisional ratings or who started with high provisional ratings still have a much higher rate after they lost all or almost all their games, and players which started with, let’s say, standard 1400 still have lower ratings even they won all the games. And there is no such a difference between the Elo average of the opponents. My point is that a monthly period will increase the dynamic of the ratings and eventually will lead to a much realistic overall ratings and why not to a more challenging environment.. Of course the number of games played will have the biggest impact on re-adjusting the ratings based on results, but a month period will help for example a player to obtain a higher TER sooner and eventually play on a higher ELO bracket tournament. The other reason is that I believe many players will want to see how their rating evolves and a month seems more reasonable. As I said it is just a suggestion, others may not agree with me. Thanks, Dan


Michael Finkelstein    (2007-01-24 19:29:25)
Playback

I used the magnifying glass, as suggested. That gets rid of the problem of the screen dropping a quarter of a page, but it adds its own problem - I cannot flip the board and look at it from my perspective when I am black. I have tried double spacing and triple spacing and still I cannot paragraph in these posts. These flaws in the feature interface, and others that I have mentioned before, may seem minor but detract from my experience here.


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-01-26 13:46:06)
re:

Actually, I was just looking for humans players with no engines who have a tendency to suck real badly ;) (I just want to beat them all!! ;)).

Ok, one more player needed.


Miguel Pires    (2007-01-26 21:36:21)
Scandinavian defense

Hi, I wana sugest a new thematical tournament: 1. e4 d5; 2. exd5 Nf6 I think is called the Portuguese atack in the scandinavian defense. What you think?


Phil Cook    (2007-01-26 22:27:16)
Horrible player

Its not just me then,join the horrible player club,total members just me ;op seriously just play,have fun and enjoy,if they use computer they do,at least your using your brain not machine!


Jaimie Wilson    (2007-01-27 01:44:28)
Scandy

I thought the Portuguese attack referred specifically to the line 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.d4 Bg4!? which would certainly make for an interesting thematic tournament.


Miguel Pires    (2007-01-27 11:09:59)
Thibault de Vassal

I can't say if the portuguese attack start's with Nf6 or after d4 Bg4, because i never study this. Like you say i find a new line that was "invented" by portugueses: 1.d4 d6; 2. c4 e5; 3. dxe5 Nc6!? IS called (in Portugal) The Gambit of Barreiro. when you wana you can start a new thematicall tournament


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-28 19:23:30)
holidays

Hello Anton.

Actually 'he' just took his 30 days... No more. I see no problem !?

Best wishes.


Ron Keyston    (2007-01-29 15:54:26)
German Translation?

Can I get a german speaking member to translate a couple of lines of text for me? Hattest Du seine mail mit der Datenbank bekommen? Viele Grüße and Nein, ich habe keine Datenbank von ihm. Thank you for your help, Ron


Ron Keyston    (2007-01-29 17:27:38)
"Major" Deep Fritz 10 Bug

I've confirmed this problem on two different computers with completely different hardware and different operating systems. I've also sent the problem off to Chessbase, but have not yet gotten much of a response. If anyone else has Deep Fritz 10, would you mind giving this a try and reporting back with your results? Also, if anyone has the non-Deep version of Fritz 10, I'd be interested in knowing if it is also affected by this problem.

Input a game into Deep Fritz 10 and get to a point in the game where it is possible for black to castle long. Now save the game into a database, close the game and then open it back up from the database. If you either turn on infinite analysis, or just try to make the move, black is not able to castle long...Fritz assumes that it is an illegal move.

Furthermore, if you castle long BEFORE saving the game into the database, then save it and re-open it, then go to the position after black has castled queenside and turn on infinite analysis, the analysis is "messed up." Either the analysis text is invisible, or it reports impossible lines, or the evaluation score is very obviously wrong. This should be enough info for anyone to give the test a try, but if you want some specific examples, please let me know.

Ron


Ron Keyston    (2007-01-29 19:04:14)
Specifics and Examples

OK, one PC is a 3.2GHz P4 w/1GB RAM running XP Pro. 256MB Hashtables with an ~800MB Maximum possible. The other PC is an Athlon X2 4600+ w/2GB RAM running Vista Ultimate (RTM.) It has 1GB Hashtables with ~1.5GB Maximum Possible. I can pretty much guarantee that it is not a hashtable issue though as the problem is with the legality of a move and only arises after saving into a database, closing the game and then re-opening it from the database. Also, if I open the same saved game from the database into Fritz 9, castling long as black is perfectly OK.

As for some examples, I will give the same five games that I sent to Chessbase. Some of these are contrived examples, whereas some are from my games here at FICGS:

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bc4 Bg4 6.O-O Nc6 7.d4

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 gxf6 7.Nf3 b6 8.Bc4 Bb7 9.Qe2 Nd7 10.O-O-O c6 11.Rhe1 Qc7 12.g3

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c4 7.Qg4 g6 8.Nf3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Nh6 10.Qh3 Nf5 11.g4 Nxd4 12.cxd4 Qb6 13.Bg2 Nc6 14.Qh6 Nxd4 15.O-O Bd7 16.Bg5 Ba4 17.Nxd4 Qxd4 18.Qg7 Rf8 19.Be3 Qxg4 20.Bc5

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 a6 6.Be3 Nc6 7.Qd2 Bf5 8.Bd3 Bg4 9.Be2 e6 10.O-O-O

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c4 7.Qg4 g6 8.Nf3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Nh6 10.Qh3 Nf5 11.g4 Nxd4 12.cxd4 Qb6 13.Bg2 Nc6 14.Qh6 Nxd4 15.O-O Bd7 16.Qg7

In all five examples, it is black to move from the final position. Also, in all five examples, castling long/queen-side is perfectly legal and likely one of the best moves. BEFORE the game(s) is/are saved into the database, Fritz allows black to castle long (and it is at or near the top line in infinite analysis mode.) AFTER saving the game into a database, closing the game window, and re-opening the game from the database, Fritz treats castling long as an illegal move.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-01-31 18:21:40)
1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3

This is the line for the next chess thematic tournament :

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000023.html

A line played several times here already by SM Wladyslav Krol, and a really interesting opening that produced the current 'best game' :

http://www.ficgs.com/game_864.html


Does anyone know a name for this opening, or may I call it "Krol attack" :)

Anyway, it should be a spectacular tournament !


Marcus Miranda    (2007-02-01 14:43:32)
Computer assistance

I do not know very much about chess, I am just a beginner, but I think that using a computer to help you play your moves is kind of not fair with your opponent, and if both players are using it, seems to be a game between two computer engines. Maybe I just do not know how people use computer assistance, I apologize if I am talking nonsense.


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-02-02 00:59:47)
Bryntse opening ?

http://hem.passagen.se/tjmisha/bryntse.html

This was played in the sixties by former swedish CC champion A Bryntse.
Very interesting indeed !

Marc


Charlie Neil    (2007-02-02 11:45:33)
Without Computer

Marcus if you can please read the old forum postings, "Why do you play corr-chess." I made a similar comment about computers being used as the main player. Believe me I was wrong! As much as in correspondence chess you can use notes, books and databases for reference. Here at FICGS, (A great site!) players use their computers as a reference. It does not benefit anyone to just relay their computer moves without understanding them. Those players won't prosper nor will develop a passion we chessplayers have for the game. I believe that now to be the case. Personally I don't have a Juinor8, Fritz 10 or Deep Joe 90 or whatever to use as a reference point. I do have a pile of books that serve to confuse me in my games. As I continue to seek understanding in this game. People should use computers as long as the computers don't use them! How boring can it be just to imput moves? The computer isn't compulsory. And I am saving a fortune on stamps playing here! It is fun after all. It is only a game. Even if it is a terrible one.


Xavier Pichelin    (2007-02-02 21:04:44)
Stage 2

Bonsoir, Une petite question en français je suis désolé je ne comprends pas l'anglais (enfin très peu). Les vainqueurs des groupes du stage 1 doivent t-il s'inscrire pour le tour supérieur ou bien simplement qualifié automatiquement pour le stage 2? Et quand les matchs vont-ils commencer? Je vous remercie. Amicalement Xavier.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-05 12:37:22)
Stage 2

Bonjour Xavier.

Les qualifications sont automatiques... Les tournois devraient commencer d'ici une semaine à trois semaines maximum (j'espère)...

Amicalement, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-07 00:52:58)
Rybka 2.3

An interesting thread about Rybka 2.3 (should be available on february 12) and his new features, described by Vasik Rajlich. In a few words : stronger, new chess knowledge, better search algorithm, better positional play, bug fixes and an interesting feature called "randomizer" :

Quote : "You can put Rybka into a mode where she will play against herself over and over from the same position without repeating variations - she will systematically explore the space of possibilities in the variation, branching from the previous games at later and later points. It's an effective way to get a Monte-Carlo-based evaluation of a position."

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=180


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-07 18:26:15)
Illya Nyzhnyk

Younger and younger...

The new chess phenomenon seems to be this young boy, Illya Nyzhnyk (birthdate 27.09.1996). He just won Moscow open B (8,5/9 - perf 2633 !)

Impresssive, what do you think ?


http://www.dril-chess.com/

Simultaneous video
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbGwDRgVOhZs

Article from Scacchierando
http://www.scacchierando.net/dblog/articolo.asp?articolo=890


Charlie Neil    (2007-02-08 09:32:48)
Why I play here.

Reading the forum postings as I do everytime I log on, I have noted that we are a diverse group here at Ficgs. For that reason I thought I would make my statement of intent. "Why I play here." 1. It is Free. I am Scottish and that is that! 2. I like the 7 player single pairing groups. 3. I know zero about chess and computers but I think I am learning something just by reading the Forum. 4. As I said a diverse group of people play chess here but in many ways it is similar to being at an OTB club, well at least as I remember them. All different types united by one game. 5. Chess is fun but what else can make you so happy when a scheme comes together in victory and what other game can have you rocking back and forth in your chair making you doubt every decision you have ever made. And all in the time it takes to click from one game to another. 6. I wonder how long it will be now before Thibault gets fed-up with us whinging, complaining and not appreciating his hard work! (Thibault just once tell someone complaining person to go and .....!) Maybe not.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-10 03:08:52)
Rybka, Fritz and future...

Computerchess is definitely an exciting challenge... The community is fast-growing, new versions of chess engines appear every day, many dream to be the next Vasik Rajlich and to produce an engine that would beat the well-known Chessbase engines and the famous Rybka.

These days, I had a look at Fruit 2.1, TogaII and Crafty source code that are available to download, and started to implement new search & evaluation functions. It's quite easy to understand why chess programming is so addictive, so much done and so much to do... finally I did not enter this mad race without an ending, probably for the same reasons Anthony Cozzie (the author of Zap! Chess Zanzibar) and many others retired.

However here are my feelings about future of chess engines, and the fight that just started between most probably Chessbase engines (Fritz, Shredder, Junior and Hiarcs) and a new era of chess engines that started with Rybka...


First, it's quite obvious to me that Rybka (now Rybka 2.3) is only another one of a long series of chess engines always stronger than each others ! .. I expect the next ones to reach 50, 100 then 200 points more (and maybe more) on the next chess engines elo rating lists, a scale that definitely can't be compared to human elo rating list ! .. Several reasons to this : (1) Chess engines are human killers at standard time controls, but chess engines are far to play perfect chess yet. (2) The way ratings are calculated.

Rybka taught us several things IMO :

- Algorithms and evaluation functions are no more enough. Now chess engines have to play chess, not only search a tree of chess positions... That's probably what Rybka brought to computerchess. Since Fruit 2.1 & Toga II source code is available, and computerchess community is constantly discussing improvements in algorithms, evaluations of positions and new ideas, to implement a chess engine becomes easier so I have no doubt that new very strong chess engines like Rybka will come.

- To become famous, a chess engine must 'also' beat his rivals. I first thought that Rybka was designed to be an engines killer only (at least before to be an analysis tool) with some tricks exploiting most engines weaknesses. No, Rybka is also a great UCI engine, simply stronger and with many options & features. Like Vasik Rajlich, who is engineer and international chess master, you'll have not only to think like an engineer to create such an engine. However I still don't think it is the best analysis tool for correspondence chess, it doesn't play really better chess and in all cases it is not enough. More, Rybka 3, 4, 5 shouldn't influence correspondence chess (maybe even human vs. machine) much... Computerchess influences computerchess first.


It's written sometimes that the strongest chess engines could reach a IM, even GM level at correspondence chess. I definitely disagree with that, at least for the moment (it will take a long time yet), but as chess engines results tend to approach correspondence chess ones (means more and more draws), I do think chess engines have much to learn from correspondence chess players way of thinking, meaning : A more psychological approach, bonus for traps detection. Evaluate moves, not only positions. A more complex search, not 'only' iterative (brute force is definitely useless). No more anti-human style, speculative moves (=weakness, ie. Deep Junior) for speculative results against strongest chess engines, draws are prefered. To avoid positions not understood by the engine. Longer games, closed games (if supported)... Opening books should look like correspondence chess GMs ones (of course according to the engine's style of play) and no more been made of FIDE GM games. A better time management... Future of computerGo may teach to computerchess about some evaluations.

A chess engine must play good moves AND try to win (which is not always the same). It seems Fruit & Rybka play solid and are waiting to exploit their opponent's weaknesses thanks to a better "chess" algorithm/knowledge. As far as I have seen, Shredder & Fritz still have the best 'eye', they see far but fuzzy. Quite the same about Fruit & Toga developped by a great engineer, Fabien Letouzey : Less chess knowledge but an improved algorithm. As for Rybka, a great chess knowledge and probably a smarter algorithm (not better, smarter !) were probably enough already. The future best chess engines will be made by good chess players...

An interesting point is it could be not so easy, maybe even nonsense, to create the best analysis tool that would also obtain the best results against other chess engines. My first prediction is Rybka won't be the top rated chess engine ever, hundreds of new ideas will appear in all parts of chess programming, slowly breaking Rybka secrets, then speed will be a factor again. Deep Fritz, Junior, Fruit or Hydra are most probably the core of the next generations of chess engines... but there's a lot of work yet :)

My two cents.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-02-10 08:36:07)
Re:

Do you think Illya Nyzhnyk's feelings would be hurt if chess officials ban him from carrying a teddy bear in future tournaments?! Or will they scan/ monitor or even interrogate the teddy bear?! Will Illya lodge a complaint citing cruelty to kids & teddies?! Will this divide the chess world in two?! Lastly, will there be a sizeable increase in sales for similar teddy bears by chess players who might think that these teddies might make them very strong players?!?


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-02-10 13:55:59)
teddy-bear-free chess

That teddy bear is worth 350 ELO, my guess.

Actually everyone has his 'teddy bear': it might be a blue shirt, the black shoes, or taking even his own mother/wife to the games (no punk intended to concerned players ;) ..All of these get scanned so I do not see any good reason why the teddy bear should not be scanned both before and after the game. If game is lost by the child there is no need to scan it of course. If game is won, then the teddy bear must be confiscated temporarily for further examination. Measures should be taken to shift the child's preference to any other object or person, as this teddy bear is starting to look rather suspicious to me/many, and annoying to his opponents who would then bring on dummies, milk bottles even nappies making this scenario rather...childish, unacceptable for a intellectual game as chess. Moreover, there would appear chess variants named after this toy, as 'the Teddy Bear Attack', or 'the deadly Teddy Bear Gambit' which could be played while singing 'teddy bear, teddy bear touch your nose, teddy bear, teddy bear touch your toes, teddy bear, teddy bear touch the ground, teddy bear teddy bear turn around', any of which would kill the game. In fact if nothing is done against this teddy bear, hereby I announce that I would quit chess, rapid chess, blitz chess, postal chess, email chess, server chess and correspondence chess (where admittedly is difficult to guess if there is any teddy bear around) I will then switch to a table game where teddy bears aren't going to be seen for a while, like Poker, or Roulette, all 18+ games

Yours in Teddy-bear-free Chess,


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-12 09:47:18)
Rybka 2.3

The new version of the engine seems to be late, and it seems not only authors of chess engines are addicted to computerchess :)

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=204#fp


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-02-13 08:45:07)
Re:

What's the latest on this saga?! Does these gestures of Danailov seem to suggest certain precise moves like pawn captures, pawn pushes, piece captures etc?!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-15 22:33:12)
:-)

Plus qu'une heure et demi... Mais ça va commencer :)




Marc Lacrosse    (2007-02-15 22:55:30)
Why such a shouting ?

@Benjamin Aldag

"The discussion is not about to change something. It is about to build a new feature here"

You are completely illogical.

Evidently you may play without computer as you wish here.

You may also try to find other members who prefer to play this way and register together with them in a tournament.

So what you wish to do is already possible. But what you request is not that.

You request to play here against opponents for whom computer use will be forbidden.

This is simply not the rule here. It's even one of the fundamental originalities of this site.

The rules of the site are that everything is allowed

If you and friends of yours manage to play without computers this is up to you

But asking for special rules supposes that you intend to request that Thibault or someone will check that YOUR rule is enforced.

IMHO this is purely not working. You won't find any organisation that wil be able to ensure that no player cheats regarding this kind of rule.

So let me repeat (and it is MY RIGHT not to agree with your opinions) : if you find opponents with which you have an agreement for playing without comps here this is perfectly fine for everybody and it's up to you to see wether you are happy with the way your partners do or do not respect the agreement.

If you wish to change radically the rules so as to have tournaments where something like a police dept will check that no comp is used than GO AWAY and simply do register in one of the numerous sites where these rules do exist and where almost everybody cheats.

By the way : no need for shouting to tell what you wish.

Shouting will not make your opinions more valuable in any way.

Marc


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-02-15 23:05:38)
more chess engine talk.

Thibault, you miss the boat on Hydra futre expectations in my opinion. Its advantage over pc engines was dedicated hardware (no necessarily speed) and ease of making program modifications. However you perhaps neglect to consider the tremendous improvement in PC performance multiple cores, processors and et all. My thought is that the pc programs already are superior to Hydra. Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that Rybka has finished ahead of it in tournament play. As far as other programs, you did not mention Zap. You best keep an eye on this one. It is very very strong and improving. Right now it is the only engine that has a chance of catching Rybka in eng-eng matches. I think it will be number two on the computer rankings. I will try to look further into Zap for a top CC engine. we see. again, my thoughts Wayne


Pablo Schmid    (2007-02-15 23:32:13)
A solution?

For players like Aldag, it might be possible to host a tournament "without computers", so Thibault would not have to change something in his system, rules or rating..


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-16 00:11:12)
Stage 2 tournaments started

Hello to all.

Finally, WCH 1 stage 2 tournaments started !

I hope we'll see interesting games in the knockout semi finals :

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_1__000001.html
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_2__000001.html


Dan Rotaru    (2007-02-16 00:32:00)
Rating list

I think it would be nice to have a second rating list for established ratings. I have noticed that there are quite many players in the actual rating list who haven’t played yet a single game on FICGS. This list would also give an accurate picture of how many players are actually playing. Maybe this list can be implemented when the list will be updated at the beginning of March? Thanks, Dan


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-16 01:43:46)
Zap! Chess Zanzibar

Zap!Chess Zanzibar is (theorically) the very last version of the engine. Here is the announcement by Anthony Cozzie on Talkchess forum :

http://216.25.93.108/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=91793&t=10956


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-02-17 07:33:13)
Re:

A "Schliemann" variation, isn't it?! Two of the most interesting correspondence chess players I've come across on FICGS are Peter & Krol because they play very exciting lines.


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-02-17 10:59:30)
like a no-smoking zone?

I believe what Aldag want is a place with a sign "computer-free chess" just like those pubs, restaurants, trains, etc use a "no-smoking zone" sign. It will be visible so that it will deter smokers/engine-users to enter that zone.

To make it less attractive to engine assistance, these games should be unrated, with player automatically losing their current ELO (that ELO rating could have been "won" using engines previously anyway) so just their names will suffice, and there should not be no tournaments --so that there is no "winners" as this will trigger the use of engines-- The players will only challenge each other and the winner will not be known to anybody except the players, and the games will not be recorded in the general database and they will not be shown live: all this will for certain deter any need to use an engine i.e. 'winning' means nothing literally and it will look as if it never happened

This way chess without engines will be as if doing something clever when actually it is a loss of time -can't remember who said this about chess 8-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-17 12:26:13)
Les échecs en France

Here is the agreement just signed by the ministry of education and the french chess federation - fédération française des échecs (F.F.E.)

This should help to promote chess in France.



CONVENTION-CADRE

Établie entre les soussignés :

L'État - Ministère de l'Education nationale, de l'Enseignement supérieur et de la Recherche représenté par Monsieur Gilles de Robien, ministre, ci-dessous dénommé " le Ministère "

et

La Fédération française des échecs représenté par Monsieur Jean-Claude Moingt, président, ci-dessous dénommé " la Fédération "

Rappelant

Que le jeu d'échecs, activité à la fois ludique et sportive, constitue aussi et surtout une activité intellectuelle qui permet de développer des compétences diverses chez ceux qui le pratiquent, et notamment chez les jeunes auprès de qui il constitue un réel vecteur de formation ;

Que la pratique des échecs encourage notamment le développement des capacités intellectuelles telles que la mémoire, le raisonnement logique, la capacité d'abstraction, l'analyse de problème et la mise en oeuvre de stratégies de résolution ;

Que la pratique des échecs contribue également à la construction de la personnalité en encourageant l'attention, l'imagination, l'anticipation, le jugement et la confiance en soi ;

Que le jeu d'échecs, école de concentration et de maîtrise de la pensée, est enfin une école de maîtrise de soi qui favorise l'apprentissage des règles et le respect d'autrui, et à ce titre participe de l'apprentissage de la citoyenneté ;

Considérant

Que, pour toutes ces raisons, le jeu d'échecs constitue un complément légitime et pertinent des activités éducatives proposées par l'Ecole ;

Que de nombreuses expériences menées en académies ont permis de mettre en oeuvre des projets de qualité associant des établissements scolaires et des clubs d'échecs dans un cadre réfléchi et concerté entre les parties concernées ;

Que ces initiatives ont permis de développer des pratiques et des outils permettant une exploitation du jeu d'échecs dans un cadre scolaire et/ou périscolaire ;

Il a été convenu ce qui suit :

Article 1 - Objectifs

Par la présente convention le Ministère et la Fédération affirment leur volonté commune de favoriser le développement de la pratique du jeu d'échecs dans les écoles, les collèges et les lycées. Ils se donnent comme objectifs la mise en oeuvre de deux axes de travail privilégiés :

- le jeu d'échecs au service de l'égalité des chances, l'expérience montrant que la pratique des échecs peut constituer pour des élèves en difficulté scolaire une occasion privilégiée de se remotiver et de se remettre sur la voie de la réussite scolaire ;

- la dimension éducative du jeu d'échecs auprès du plus grand nombre, en favorisant la transférabilité des acquis entre les pratiques ludiques et les situations d'apprentissage.

Article 2 - Egalité des chances

Le Ministère et la Fédération conviennent de développer l'accès de la pratique des échecs auprès des publics scolaires qui en sont les plus éloignés pour des raisons sociales ou géographiques. Le partenariat portera en particulier sur des actions impliquant :

- les collèges " ambition réussite ", qui visent à offrir un cadre d'excellence à des publics scolaires confrontés aux plus grandes difficultés socio-économiques. La contribution de la Fédération consistera notamment en mise à disposition de matériel (ludique et/ou pédagogique), en actions de sensibilisation ou de formation organisées dans le cadre des établissements concernés, en appariements des collèges avec des clubs de proximité ou encore en parrainage de certains collèges par des joueurs de haut niveau recommandés par la Fédération.

- l'opération " Ecole ouverte ", qui accueille les jeunes dans les EPLE pendant les vacances scolaires pour leur proposer des activités de loisirs à visée éducative. Parce qu'il conjugue les dimensions ludique et formatrice, le jeu d'échecs correspond bien à l'esprit de ce dispositif qui contribue à modifier l'image de l'école auprès des jeunes.

- les dispositifs relais (classes et ateliers), qui accueillent temporairement des élèves en voie de décrochage ou de désocialisation. La pratique des échecs peut permettre à ces jeunes de reprendre goût à l'activité intellectuelle, tout en leur inculquant le respect des règles et de l'autre.

Article 3 - Action éducative

De façon plus générale, le Ministère et la Fédération conviennent d'encourager la connaissance et la pratique des échecs auprès du plus grand nombre. A ce titre, ils pourront notamment :

- développer la pratique des échecs dans le cadre des activités péri-scolaires au sein des internats scolaires, des clubs et des foyers socio-éducatifs, en partenariat avec les clubs locaux.

- mettre en place des actions de sensibilisation et/ou de formation dans les écoles et les établissements volontaires, en rapprochant les équipes éducatives et les clubs selon des modalités à préciser entre les partenaires concernés : enseignement et pratique dans le temps scolaire ou périscolaire, projets thématiques fédérateurs s'appuyant sur les dispositifs transversaux, opérations d'information et d'animation, tournois scolaires à l'échelle d'une ville ou d'un bassin, etc.

- développer des ressources en co-édition, en lien avec le réseau des CRDP et des CDDP (sites Internet de jeu pour les écoles, dépliants de présentation, outils pédagogiques, etc.).

Article 4 - Contribution des partenaires

La Fédération française des échecs s'engage à apporter aux écoles, collèges et lycées qui en font la demande une aide en matériel ou en ressources diverses (publications, outils pédagogiques etc.). Dans le cas d'actions spécifiques conduites au sein des établissements dans les temps scolaire ou périscolaire, les cadres qualifiés de la Fédération ou de ses organes déconcentrés devront avoir reçu un accord préalable du Ministère et/ou de ses services déconcentrés ; ils pourront apporter des aides techniques ponctuelles auprès des enseignants qui en feront la demande après avoir pris l'avis des corps d'inspection.

De son côté, le Ministère s'engage à diffuser, par le biais de son réseau de communication et de diffusion ainsi que par l'intermédiaire de ses services déconcentrés, l'information nécessaire à la mise en oeuvre de ce partenariat.

Article 5 - Communication

L'application du présent accord-cadre peut donner lieu à des déclarations et communications aux médias par chacun des partenaires, lesquels conviennent de se concerter préalablement.

Article 6 - Mise en oeuvre et suivi

Les partenaires conviennent de se réunir au moins une fois par an pour examiner les conditions de mise en œuvre de l'accord-cadre et dresser un état des lieux des actions entreprises sur la période de l'année écoulée.

Article 7 - Durée

La présente convention est signée pour une durée de trois ans à compter de la date de la signature. A l'issue de ces trois années un bilan global permettra de faire le point sur l'évolution des pratiques à l'école, au collège et au lycée et d'étudier sur cette base les termes du renouvellement de la convention. Elle peut être résiliée par l'une ou l'autre des parties, à l'expiration d'un délai de trois mois suivant l'envoi d'une lettre recommandée avec accusé de réception valant mise en demeure.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-17 18:07:31)
Gameknot vs. FICGS, other challenges

It seems GameKnot leads 5-4 in the games played here... Not bad :)

Any news about the games played at GameKnot ?

It could be interesting to discuss about other team challenges... A team tournament, matches against other servers or forums (which ones ?), maybe at different time controls or playing chess variants (chess 960) or other games (could be fun to play chess & Go, poker or anything against the same players).. with or without computer assistance and so on... It should be easier to build teams now thanks to the chat bar.

It seems there was no problem of cheating with chess engines during the match against GameKnot, that's encouraging to organize other ones.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-17 20:01:13)
Go features

Hello Tom.

Did you try the 'next' link after you sent a move ?

About the prisoners, as we use Chinese counting, it seems to me the number of prisoners is not really important. What about the Go scorer ? .. - click the 'score' link before to play your move... Thanks for feedback.


Marius Zubac    (2007-02-18 04:24:39)
Christophe Léotard's KID games

I would be interested to see the games. I could not find them from the ICCF crosstable. maybe you can point me in the right direction. Thanks


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-18 19:14:30)
ICCF champions league

Hello to all.

While looking for interesting challenges that could take place here at FICGS (ie. simultaneous games at standard time control by a FIDE / ICCF IM-GM, or team challenges against other servers), Valer Eugen Demian (ICCF) suggested we build a team that could play in the next ICCF champions league... If we can build a team, why not ?

Rules of the event (taking place on ICCF server) are here :

http://tables.iccf.com/email/ChLeague/2004/season1faq.htm


What do you think ? .. Did anyone play this tournament already ?


Charlie Neil    (2007-02-19 13:52:00)
ICCF champions league

I have played on the ICCF webserver. So, it must be an easy webserver to play on if i can manage it! I think there must be a Ficgs team! More publicity and a chance to meet more chessfriends. Unfortunately I'm not of the standard required to be in a successful team but I can stand on the "touchline" with my Ficgs scarf and shout encouragement. C'mon! Also what about challenges to those sites such itsyourturn and chessworld.net and schemingming.com. you know the ones that aren't free to play on.....


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-20 17:44:50)
Rybka 2.2 stronger than Rybka 2.3

Rybka 2.3 weaker than Rybka 2.2 ??

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=340#fp


CEGT computer chess rating lists :

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_AllVersion/rangliste.html


Waiting for HIARCS 12 :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-21 16:17:50)
Chinese counting

Hello Lazaro !

Maybe I did not understand some things yet :) .. It seems to me, as we use Chinese rules with Chinese counting, that the numbers of prisoners is completely useless... It is a question of territory (you may use the Go scorer - link Score - before to play your moves to evaluate the board), right ?

Best regards.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-21 18:57:21)
Building teams...

Hello to all.

Here is the list of the teams that played in previous ICCF champions league :

http://tables.iccf.com/email/ChLeague/2004/teams.htm


I still don't know what's the cost to build a team, it seems all players just have to be a member of ICCF (through their federation or direct entry) and pay an entry fee for each tournament... Maybe someone can confirm ?

So the question : Who would like to play in our teams (and what name for these mad teams ? :))


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-22 12:02:07)
Combien ça coute ?

... directement inspiré de Goldorak ? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-22 17:34:01)
Zap! Chess Zanzibar

Nice results for Zap!Chess Zanzibar chess engine, that now appears 2nd (Rybka 1st, of course) on all CEGT (Chess Engines Grand Tournament) rating lists.

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn


Definitely, that's a pity Anthony Cozzie can't give more time to computer chess.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-02-23 08:59:26)
Re

What is more interesting is Top. hardly looks like he'll be able to score a full point against anyone in this tourney. Hmm. I wonder why. Ran out of lucky teddy bears perhaps?!!..... Maybe manager demanding a salary increase perhaps? lol.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-02-23 10:15:35)
Re:

Nicola, Thanks for the update. Yes, this particular Morelia-Linares tourney seems to be the most interesting tourney amongst SuperGMs we have witnessed for quite some time.


Nicola Lupinacci    (2007-02-24 02:27:58)
3 genius

I think Kasparov is the best for his aggressivity, Capablanca for his semplicity, and Alechine for his tattics.


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-02-24 21:22:11)
not so simple ...

"I think Kasparov is the best for his aggressivity, Capablanca for his semplicity, and Alechine for his tattics."

This is way too simple...

Remember Kasparov drawing game after game for recovering after Karpov led by 5-0 in their match ...

Capablanca's play was full of tactics (I would better say full of sophisticated ways to avoid tactics - which _is_ tactics at a supreme degree).

Alekhine's tactics were most of the time allowed by too weak opposition. Among great tactical geniuses far stronger than Alekhine in this field I would cite Bronstein, Tal, Spassky, Nezmetdinov, Fischer, Shirov, Kasparov, Topalov ...


But there are also :
- Positional geniuses : Morphy, Capablanca, Botvinnik, Petrosian, and an entire class above them all Karpov, Ivanchuk, Kramnik.
- Opening prep geniuses : Botvinnik, Fischer, Kasparov
- Endgame geniuses : Rubinstein, Karpov, Korchnoi...

Well a difficult question because all top class players had several masterpieces in any of these fields ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-02-25 13:23:18)
Big Chess

Finally, Big Chess tournaments waiting list is open !

If you like to play without chess engines and against human players only, you may try this really interesting variant of chess. (unrated games)

Have a look at these Big Chess events by clicking 'Tournaments', then 'FICGS__CHESS__SPECIAL_EVENTS' :


FICGS__BIG_CHESS__THOUSAND_MEMBERS_EVENT
FICGS__BIG_CHESS__INAUGURAL_MATCH


Have good big chess games :)


Ovidiu Baron    (2007-03-01 16:12:17)
Big chess. An idea!

Interesting game, but I think the Big chess has a small(?) problem, the 16 squares on the vertical. It takes too much time to bring the pawns into the game, and the risk is that they will not participate at the "battle" at all. Wouldn't be more efficient to reduce the vertical lines a little bit, maybe not to 8 squares, because of the central knights positioning, but to 10 or 12?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-02 11:50:12)
greatest chess players

I remember this article, we discussed it here... There was some doubts about the method and the use of Crafty for analysis. That's interesting anyway...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-03 13:53:36)
Analysis board

That's a fine suggestion. The problem is the whole site (also the chessboard) is implemented in HTML, not Java / Javascript. Such an analysis board would be quite slow, loading a page for each move... Anyway I'll think about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-03 17:12:57)
Rybka 2.3.1

Rybka 2.3.1 beta is available, Rybka 2.3.2 is announced, quite hard to follow Vasik Rajlich's work day after day :) .. Rybka forum is very active and it seems Rybka 2.3.1 is the strongest Rybka and the strongest chess engine today !

I hope Fritz, Junior, Shredder and Hiarcs authors are working hard...

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=472#fp


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-04 12:42:37)
Building a team

Okay, it seems it could be quite hard to build a team playing at ICCF CL right now... Maybe too early yet. The entry fee may be another factor, so I hope FICGS can sponsorize a team later. Any volunteers anyway ?


Samy Ould Ahmed    (2007-03-04 12:45:47)
My im impressions in french :)

Après deux jours de combat et 5 rondes voila mon parcours : Ronde 1 : avec les blancs je prends un pérpétuel assez rapidement après un sacrifice spéculatif. Ronde 2 : avec les noirs je vérouille la position pour arracher une nulle dificile. Ronde 3 : avec les blancs je massacre mon adversaire en 30 coups face à une sicilienne roques opposés. Ronde 4 : je joue la française avec les noirs pour avoir une position fermée, et je fait l'érreur de l'ouvrir, je me fait tout simplement massacrer, superbe partie. Ronde 5 : je joue encore les noirs, le cauchemar continue, je joue e5 sur e4 et une grande variante théorique, mon adversaire prends l'avantage petit à petit, et je me fait nettement dominer sans que je comprene comment à la fin...dur dur de jouer les noir en "advanced chess"


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-04 12:57:00)
Round 9

Great game Topalov vs. Ivanchuk... Morozevich beats Leko. Carlsen & Anand still lead. It seems my predictions will be quite wrong :) .. To be continued.


Samy Ould Ahmed    (2007-03-05 07:19:48)
Crosstable and games

http://www.computerschach.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=570&Itemid=1


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-05 10:19:11)
Playchess Freestyle Tournament

Thanks for info, Samy...

What a crosstable, no less than 17 players finishing with 5,5 / 8

Petr, I understand your frustration, anyway that's why I play correspondence chess only over the internet. Losing a game thanks to a connection lost or strange rules is not interesting much :/


Several remarks while looking at the final crosstable :

The winner uses Rybka 2.3 mp, the others too :) .. Rybka's author (Rajlich) scores 5 out of 8 (pos. 18)

With Rybka getting stronger and stronger at fast time controls, Advanced Chess will probably become Computer Chess and finally Rybka Chess very soon. 1 hour + 15 sec is no more interesting.

I recognize some famous 'names' used on the defunct KasparovChess.com, King Crusher (5 / 8), Deep Thunder (3,5 / 8)... Correspondence Chess GM Mikhail Umansky scores 2,5 / 8... and last but not least, french forums superstar Olivier Evan scores 2,5 / 7 :)


Samy Ould Ahmed    (2007-03-05 21:05:00)
Mon parcour, suite...

Ronde 6 : je joue 2.d3 contre la Caro-Kann pour éviter les variantes théorique annulante, j'ai bien fait car mon adversaire suit betement sa machine et je me retrouve avec une position complétement gagnante...que je gache en jouant betement un coup que Fritz 9 m'a suggéré, je suis obligé de faire nulle. Ronde 7 : je joue contre Umansky avec les noirs, une partie fantastique, une catalane ou j'obtiens 3 pions contre l'initiative à mon adversaire et mon roi au centre, je choisi les variantes les plus compliquées et je gagne au temps dans une position probablement perdante, j'au eu chaud :-) Ronde 8 : je fait une nulle de salon avec les blancs puisque je suis sur de ne pas me qualifier. Finalement j'ai 4/8 et suis assez satisfait de mon parcours, du fait que j'ai joué seul et avec une machine relativement lente (un P4 2,93 GHZ)


Nicola Lupinacci    (2007-03-06 12:39:26)
Follow a game move after move

Is it possible to follow a game move after move?

i.e.: is it possible to receive an email (or something else) when players make a move in the game i want to follow?

sorry for my bad english :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-09 15:11:18)
Kingston Defense !

While looking at links poiting to FICGS.com, I found this Wikipedia article and realized that one of the Kingston Defense's fathers was among us :)

http://www.ficgs.com/wikichess_3670.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Defence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Wilson


"Crack the Frutch : How to play the Kingston Defense"
.. by Gavin Wilson. ISBN 0-9514103-0-X

The opening is fully commented in Wikichess by Gavin... Quite funny :)


By the way, this opening looks interesting ! .. I just launched a thematic tournament. Thanks for all your comments in Wikichess, Gavin :)


Hannes Rada    (2007-03-10 00:20:44)
How to get an equalized game vs. Rybka

Rybka handicapped by a pawn does not seem to be a sufficient compensation. Let's furnish the human GM with an extra knight :-)


Gavin Wilson    (2007-03-10 00:24:36)
Kingston Defence

Thanks for correcting the Wikipedia link, Thibault. I wouldn't claim that the Defence is 'fully' described yet on Wikichess. I am gradually documenting my Internet games with the Defence as I complete them. The most critical line for Black is definitely 1.e4 e6 2.d4 f5 3.ef ef 4.Bd3 and it will need considerable exploration before I'm happy with Black's resulting positions. Sadly I have mislaid my only copy of my own 1989 monograph, so I'm rebuilding the Defence partly from memory and partly from scratch.


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-10 15:27:33)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments

Interesting and true observation, Thibault.

What about the format 2h/40moves displayed under Money Tournaments in Waiting Lists? Maybe this is equally harder (in order to beat Rybka) that at 1h+15sec (!?)

And second question is why do you think Black needs so many moves to have winning chances in the proposed Silver/Gold Thematic game, or a better question could be: Do you think White can get a draw after that sequence: 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Ng1 d5 3.Nf3 c5 4.Ng1 Black to move. -->assuming the idea is that if the game is drawn White would win the 1-game match--.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-10 15:43:17)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments

Hi Elmer.

1h+15 is worth 1h10/40 moves... 2h/40 moves is the longest time control before correspondence chess (games that don't finish the same day it started) and I think it's long enough so that human can do something else than operate Rybka :)

About Silver/Gold Thematic game, if White/Black obtains much more than 50%, I'll change the opening until to find one that give about 50% chances. What do you think ? .. About this opening, I think chances are about 50%, I would play it with both colors :)


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-10 15:56:59)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments

..Well, I would play only Black there, so I guess I know who could be my opponent in the first Gold thematic -isn't there a Platinum with 1000 EUR at stake?! ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-10 22:51:55)
Anand virtually ranked #1

After Morelia-Linares 2007 tournament, Viswanathan is virtually ranked #1 on the next FIDE rating list (2007, April). Great achievement :)

Quite funny to see the separated results of Morelia & Linares tournament, particularly performances for Alexander Morozevich (!)

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3722


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-11 01:36:31)
Your best quotes :)

I just read a great "quote" written by one of my opponents... :)

You saw these quotes about chess, Go and other subjects while playing your moves, actually you probably saw all of them already, so I'd like to gather your favourite quotes here, I'll add the best ones in the file !

Don't hesitate to submit your own ideas ;)


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-11 10:40:27)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments

I'm not that concerned about just bringing a bit of human brain into the game, I'm most concerned about bringing a bit of human brain into the game *successfully* :) i.e. for a start, real chances to beat operated Rybka at this time control. Hope you are right, I am just rather being optimist on your proposed time control.

--The 'money' prizes are now listed as Epoints not Euros, but what's the equivalence between them?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-11 13:30:46)
Money Tournaments

I'll come back in a few weeks on this subject with full explanations... The idea may evolve yet, until to find the more attractive system.


Pablo Schmid    (2007-03-12 00:22:02)
Haha

Notice that giving a pawn in the starting position is not necessary a big disadvantage, depending of which pawn. For example I do it "everytime" with 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 (BDG) where after 4..exf3 5.Nxf3, it seems to be a "normal" position, but without the f pawn. And my claim is: White have a dynamical equality with best play against best play!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-12 12:37:20)
A new computer Go era ?

It seems a new computer Go era just started...

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSL2053348420070221?pageNumber=1


Quote : "The 19 by 19 board which top players use is still hard for a machine, but the new method is promising because it makes better use of the growing power of computers than earlier Go software."


Quite strange to read about the growing power of computers regarding Go... I suppose programs have much to learn first.. We will see :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-12 15:31:09)
Major update : SSL encryption forms

Hello to all.

This is the last major update before money tournaments can start...


Now you can login through SSL encryption forms, meaning the best security to prevent hacking.

You should use SSL encryption forms only to browse the whole site with HTTPS, particularly if you wish to enter money tournaments later... It is also strongly recommended to change your password regularly (at least 8 characters, numbers & letters is best).

Thus you should always see HTTPS:// before the url after you login.


Feel free to follow this link for more advices about security & phishing :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#security


FICGS now uses SSL data encryption, hash functions and a bunch of other security features...

4 login forms is a lot but thus anyone can connect, even with browsers that doesn't support HTTPS and Javascript.

Also a few minor bug fixes and improvements, komi updated in .SGF files, reinforced hash functions, last connection date displayed in profile and so on...

All feedbacks are welcome :)


Dagh Nielsen    (2007-03-12 03:20:43)
5th Freestyle tournament

Just a short comment on the use of computers in these Freestyle tournaments:

There are two groups of participants:

1) Pure engines (with a book).

2) A somewhat larger group of "centaurs" who play the moves themselves, and use computers to analyse the moves actively.

Please note first, that the engine names behind some of the nicks in the crosstable do not necessarily mean that that participant played as pure engine (it's just an irrelevant effect of the server software somehow, decided by whether the participant had an engine uploaded during registration).

In fact, only two of those 10 who made it to the final (after the playoffs Saturday) are playing as pure engines. All the rest played as centaurs, including Cato the Younger.

This was also the case in the 4th Freestyle tournament: Only two pure engines made it to the final.

However, the pure engines surely made up more than 20% of the starting fields. What is more, these engines are usually operated by engine-chess freaks who have very strong hardware (Hercules01, who made it to the final after the play-offs, is allegedly running a 16-core system).

So my conclusion is: Centaurs perform significantly better than pure engines still. Even at this relatively short time control.

In other words: The human aspect is very much alive and kicking in this kind of chess :-)

I can only recommend interested people to try it out next time. It really is quite a bit of fun!

PS. I was lucky to qualify for the final, playing with nick "Flying Saucers". Also in the final is Corr. GM Arno Nickel (=Ciron) and FIDE GM Yuri Solodovnichenko (2585) (=Engineer). Several finalists have not yet revealed their identities :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-13 03:14:32)
Login problem : Reload the page

Notice : If you encounter any problem while trying to login (with the old secure form), please just reload the page and it won't happen again... Your browser has to update the page.


Phil Cook    (2007-03-13 06:59:33)
Chess/Go

You think you've found a good move,but look for the better move,the problem is finding it!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-13 20:53:51)
Correspondence Go rules

I read a post at GoDiscussions.com by a player who wondered how to tell his opponent he's lost... That's quite true some correspondence Go games may last (sometimes more than 50 moves) whereas the result is obvious, ie. when a very strong player beats a beginner who even doesn't really know why he's lost.

I was thinking about a rule to solve this problem but I couldn't find one good enough :/

Is it correct to ask his opponent to resign (according to a rule) or simply he's 'most probably' lost ?!

All ideas are welcome.. Thanks in advance !


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-14 11:57:07)
Login timeout

Yes, but the problem will remain if I add some time.. the difference is you'll lose longer posts :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-14 12:05:14)
Correspondence Go rules

Hmm, a problem is that when you call referee, the message is sent to your opponent too. This way, I would feel embarrassed to claim a win, in any game... Wouldn't you ? .. but maybe this is a solution, in this case I have to change the way calls to referee work.

Could other Go players react to this ? .. Thanks for your help.


Charlie Neil    (2007-03-14 13:38:39)
4 Knights Scilian

Alex Raetsky has a book published by Everyman called "Meeting 1.e4". He recommends the 4 Knights and also covers the other methods white employs to avoid the semi-open scilians after 1...c5 Such as the 2.c3 and 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 variations and also the closed systems. It is a "workable" repertoire book. ps I am not on commmission.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-14 17:00:55)
Elections in France :-)

A small thread about politics (could be interesting), just curious about what people from the whole world see and hear about elections in France, that will start in about 40 days from now.....

The news that Jacques Chirac will not try to be re-elected has been relayed everywhere, but what about the election itself ?

One more time opinion polls could influence the way people will vote and create a surprise at the end of the first "round"...

So just curious, who did you hear about among them : Nicolas Sarkozy, Ségolène Royal, François Bayrou, Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marie-George Buffet, Dominique Voynet, Olivier Besancenot, Arlette Laguiller, José Bové, Philippe de Villiers, Nicolas Dupont-Aignant, Frédéric Nihous ?

And last but not least, any predictions ? :-)


Don Groves    (2007-03-15 00:05:31)
CG Rules

I would not be embarrassed to ask the referee if the game were truly out of hand. The message must be worded properly. Not like "Tell this idiot to resign!" ;-)


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2007-03-15 13:40:45)
Adjudication in correspondence games

I think that you have to be very careful with this kind of adjudication. Even if you restrict this to cases that are 100% clear, you still have to separate them from the 99% cases. I would only consider adjudication if control of the board is completely decided and one player keeps playing worthless moves.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-15 13:59:35)
Lightning chess games

Hello to all.

A new update, you may have seen a new category in money tournaments :

Lightning (correspondence) chess games, time control 30 minutes + 1 minute / move


I think it's a quite interesting time control for chess, it should attract more advanced chess players (or simply strong computers).. Really faster than "blitz correspondence chess".

I updated the server so that it is really easier to play fastly in these games. When you send your move, a new option will appear next to (Flip) and (Next). The link (Wait) will redirect you to the viewer page that will be auto-refreshed every 10 seconds. When your opponent play his move, you'll be automatically redirected to the "move" page to play your move and a pop-up window will appear to warn you (if Javascript is activated)...

Read more about in Time rules - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#time


Money tournaments will start on April, 2


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-16 01:14:20)
Adjudication in correspondence games

I just read the current rules again, finally it could be enough already...

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications


I agree, adjudications should be decided only if the game is 100% lost, no less (but can a game be 100% lost before resigning ? :))


Charlie Neil    (2007-03-17 10:17:07)
Elections in France

Is it true that Jacques Chirac will face charges of corruption from the time he was Mayor of Paris after he steps down as President. The Head of State facing prosecution seems a bit bizarre. Also I believe that the week before the election there are no opinion poll findings released in case it may influence the voter.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-17 20:33:09)
Elections in France

No poll during the week before the vote is probably not enough, but anyway this system with 2 rounds has complex consequences on the way people vote. Really hard to find the best way to choose a president (or a world champion)...

About Jacques Chirac, we will see... I suppose there could be some surprises in future.


Don Groves    (2007-03-18 00:19:33)
Spassky's reaction

I hope he will laugh in their faces, give them a good spanking, and send them back to the board play some chess!


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-03-19 17:24:56)
A quote

Not mine, but something you can use:

Beat your enemy trough calculation. Sun Tzu


Nick Burrows    (2007-03-19 20:05:47)
sun tzu

yeah funnily i was reading Phil Gordons little green book of poker today and he inserts a few quotes by sun-tzu. 'In war, then, your great object is victory, not lengthy campaigns.' 'To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.' 'Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.'


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-19 23:04:58)
Blokus

Blokus was invented in 2000 by a french engineer/artist. Quite recent but it's spreading very fastly in France - at least... Great game, try it ! :)

Actually, I think it's better not to multiply the games at FICGS to concentrate on chess & Go, but it would have been great to play Blokus here... (anyway, trademarked)


Don Burden    (2007-03-20 02:48:09)
French Songs

I know a little French and really like Jacques Brel and Edith Piaf. Are they still popular in France? I'd like to find a streaming French radio station on WinAmp (Shoutcast Radio) that plays that type of music, but all I can find either plays American music, or really awful dance/disco music.

There are a lot of Jacques Brel film clips available on YouTube (www.youtube.com), like "Madeleine" and "La Valse À Mille Temps" that I think are great.


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-03-20 11:47:28)
Nice game and nice site!

Blokus seems really interesting indeed.
And the site with good online play features is very well done.
I can even play from behind my corporate firewall :-)
It will be difficult to resist ...
:-))))

Marc


Don Groves    (2007-03-20 22:30:21)
Blaise Pascal

I just read that Pascal said that all of man's problems arise because we cannot sit in a room alone with ourselves. Obviously, Pascal never played chess or go on FICGS :-)


Nick Burrows    (2007-03-21 01:20:27)
*Go to Pi*

The film Pi is about a mathmetician who is using chaos theory to find a pattern within the stock market. His obsession leads him to observe the mathematical structures underpinning the whole of nature - eg spiral shells.
He visits his old maths teacher. They play Go together. The teacher explains that the ancient chinese saw the Go board as representing the whole universe, and so Go is used as a metaphor to understand chaos theory.
Starting with a very simple set of rules structures of untold complexity can form, systems such as the weather are so complex that they appear to be 'chaotic' or random. Go shows us that although it is too complex to see a game to its end, or understand the whole structure, there is logic or order within the chaos. It is just beyond our humble human limitations to understand it fully.
Go and chess intrigue us because in revealing the hidden truth within a chaotic structure, we are understanding a wider truth of order behind ALL phenomenon in the universe. Peace.


Don Groves    (2007-03-21 01:44:57)
Pi

Interesting questions in there, Nick. Does order exist within the chaos or does the rational part of our mind impose it so that we can think rationally? Is order inherent in the empty goban?


Don Groves    (2007-03-21 02:24:38)
chaos and order

Yes, I'm familiar with chaos theory and fractals but are not these examples of how our rational minds (and our mathematics) impose order on whatever we see?


Don Groves    (2007-03-21 05:19:26)
chaos and order

Nick, no other game stimulates me to these thoughts and conversations but then I haven't played them all ;-) Yes, the falling tree does make a sound in the absence of humans -- it may startle a deer for example. Clearly *we* can never know anything outside of human consciousness but to imply that nothing else can exist outside of our consciousness is a bit too anthropic for me ;-)


Nick Burrows    (2007-03-21 05:51:48)
anthropomorphity..

I was attempting to illustrate that there actually is order/structure/reality that is external to human beings, that we can but glimpse at and partially understand through the medium of thought. Our only means to understand it is through thought, but that doesn't mean that what we are percieving isnt something real and of value.
a belief in no reality outside of human consciousness is a contrary viewpoint, and weakens the idea of an external reality. Too anthropic for me also. Apologies for my clumsy ramblings, just following the dialectic out loud. Bring on the games!!


Don Groves    (2007-03-21 06:31:14)
Anthroporph... what you said.

Einstein said the universe is like a finely-crafted watch that cannot be opened and that we poor watchmakers can only try to deduce its inner workings by examining the outside. I would only add that must be able to laugh at our feeble attempts to do so. As you say, bring on the games!


Lionel Vidal    (2007-03-23 18:59:07)
Not too up-to-date article...

Computers are much better in chess now than in 1998 ( :-) or :-( ... hum maybe :-( for me...). I am not sure that a player, even J. Edwards (very good player and a good chess writer too!) could be sure anymore to CC-outplay an engine running 24h/day on a modern hardware platform. He might win, yes, but might only IMHO.

Nowadays, many CC players (most?) consider that using an engine is *not* cheating, and I am so sure that *most* sites, as said in the article, do prohibit such a use. At least it could be noted that the strongest players seem to play in ICCF (or maybe iecg ... and in FICGS of course :-)) where engines are allowed. (and this is good IMO, not per se but, as it is often recalled, because their ban could not be correctly enforced)

Anyway I am looking forward to reading the next article to use more effenciently chessbase :-)


Don Groves    (2007-03-25 05:50:08)
Computer Go

I was thinking about that very thing, Thibault, the idea of using neural networks to analyze the board first in small areas and then higher level networks would combine the small areas into larger and larger areas until the whole board was analyzed. The problem with this approach seems to me that the size of the small areas is variable depending on the depth of the game. Developing algorithms to deal with this variability could be a very hard problem, whereas humans deal with this problem easily.


Lionel Vidal    (2007-03-25 11:24:50)
Computer Go

While I agree that programming Go is much more a problem of algorithm than a hardware one, I think you underestimate the theorical difficulties.

First, a word on the alluded new approach (BTW the french edition of 'Pour la Science' has an article on this algorithm this month, but not very involved): it seems promising only because that program regularly beats other program using what we can call a traditional approach: tree exploration combined with pattern recognition and some clever splitted evaluation function. That is fine, but does not mean much for human, considering the poor level of all these programs.
AFAIY the very best program is said to be at low pro-dan level on a 9x9 (without any concrete real test match, that is with money at stakes... but let's suppose it is true). The problem to play on 19x19 is that the nature of the game dramatically changes: in short the tactics is more complicated and the once very basic strategy of 9x9 becomes overwhelming! There is still no known algorithm to tackle that problem. Such algorithm could exist of course, but don't hold your breath :-)
Now I am quite eager to read the tests and pubications on these researches :-)

The neural network approach is interresting but is more or less stalling (again AFAIY) in recent programs mainly because of a fundamental flaw: the tuning of the gap functions. In Backgammon, where this approach works very well, these functions are tuned by simulation: basically, the program plays many, many games against himself and in a way learns (that is tunes its network) depending on the results. As you may guess, this can not work in Go because of the complexity of the branch tree. So the problem is how to tune the network (and 'by hand' cannot be a soution, believe me, considering the number of nodes and the type of the functions being commonly used!)

Of course I simplified a lot and the maths behind these kind of algorithm are involved enough (and very interresting :-)) that someone may find new ideas that will revive one path or another. But my feeling is that the pros of go have nothing to fear for a long time...
You have to consider that the very best programs are not beaten, but crushed, by multi-dans amateurs, you know, the kind of player a top pro will beat at 5 stones while blitzing and at 9 stones if some money is at stakes :-)

Now I may be wrong, and I remember in the 80s many people saying the same thing for chess, and betting on the fact that a program could never beat a good player in at least 50 years :-)... but at that time, I did not agree :-)) mainly because the algorithms were more or less basically known already... the 80s hardware was a problem, but a technical and not theorical one...

Sorry for that too long reply... I can't believe I typed so much... that must be my new keyboard, and the fond memories of some past jobs ... :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-25 18:39:15)
Computer Go

Neural networks will be at most an "extra" or a small part of the solution for a good playing Go program IMO. I don't believe much in it until an artificial brain have the "power" of a human one and we're very far from it. But as in chess (and Rybka's coming), a lot of knowledge probably has to be implemented yet and algorithms to be improved before that. That's why I said it could probably reach a 2 or 3 dan level, which still looks a reasonable level (ok, only an assumption) :) ... Then, it should be much.. much harder.


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-26 11:47:37)
Oh dear

I've got nothing against chessbase, but as you can see, they go so low quality that is impossible to ignore them ;)

The main thing from this article (ie shot in the foot) is that actually nobody learns anything about how to use ChessBase in Correspondence Chess :)

All we got is a careful description of what is legal or illegal !?

It would be good if the second part is written by someone a bit more experienced but as it seems there is no-one available there, at least the author could benefit from reading some other CC forums (although judging by the "hope my opponents are using engine(Fritz) assistance" which looks familiar to me ;), they could be reading this one 8-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-26 18:59:43)
How Politics Imitates Chess

Garry Kasparov is probably not a philosopher, however it is not obvious to me that Chess Imitates Life, as (you said it) there's nothing bigger than life... Chess is a part of life. On the contrary, we could say life imitates chess because some decisions, sometimes, can be reduced (as far as possible) to chess strategies like reality can be reduced to science. The same, How Reality Imitates Science makes sense to me, whereas How Science Imitates Reality doesn't.

"How politics finally does not imitate Chess" by Garry Kasparov should be much more interesting :-) .. with a preface by Vladimir Putin : "How life doesn't imitate politics" :>


In France, the election sometimes makes me think to a.. more than chess, a Go game... I think Nicolas Sarkozy uses some chess(Go)-like strategies and knows openings/Joseki & tactics best. At least he may know very well the work of Arthur Schopenhauer : "The world as will and representation" & "L'art d'avoir toujours raison". In comparison, Ségolène Royal and other candidates seem to use faith and "religion". Anyway, the result should be quite the same as life doesn't imitate politics much nowadays :/


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-26 20:12:01)
The perfect title

As the title couldn't be more awefull, let's try to improve it:


"Decision Making: Invaluable Lessons Taken from Chess"
by G Kasparov


Instant best-seller.

Although the decisions of splitting from FIDE, creating a ghost GM association, not defending the WC in a proper Cycle, and....etc,etc..premature retirement, ..etc ..etc, don't speak too well about the lessons, let's try and improve it:


"Decision Making: Invaluable Lessons Taken from Chess, With Emphasis in What Not to Do"
by G Kasparov


A killer.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-26 20:32:13)
:-)

Premature retirement... I don't know but who else than Garry can say ? .. Even if politics is a bad personal choice, it is a respectable one anyway.


Don Groves    (2007-03-27 02:55:47)
Chess and politics

It probably isn't known much outside the US but Bush is merely a figurehead, not the brains behind what is going on. Cheney and his gang of neoconservative fascists are the real power behind the throne. But, you are right in the sense that they have done so much damage to US democracy in just six years :-(


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-27 16:42:53)
Xiangqi

http://www.chesscafe.com/mueller/mueller.htm

I can't motivate myself to learn this game.. :/ .. rules are so strange, even less natural than chess !? Is it really played elsewhere than in China ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi

"As of 2005, the world's best human xiangqi players remain better than the world's best computer players. The game-tree complexity of xiangqi is approximately 10^150, so it is projected that a human top player will be defeated before 2010."


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-27 17:48:51)
the second article...

..At least we got an inmediate response after the criticism ;-)

Once I am relieved from the headache of reading the first part of this very involved article, I'll post my comments..

BTW at first glance it seems the author has the bad habit of NOT giving an assessment to his annotated lines, ..or are we supposed to look at the engine's evaluation :-) --which are illegal to use, remember?!


Lionel Vidal    (2007-03-27 19:42:35)
Xiangqi

The fact that xiangqi is the most played game in china (much more played than Go!) is enough to make it the most played game in the world :-)

But apart from asian countries, you can find many players in the USA, and even in France, where the 2005 world championship was held!

Computers are quite good at xiangqi (the best program is french!) but not good enough yet for the very best players: the game-tree complexity of xiangqi is half way between chess and shogi, but the evaluation functions in xiangqi have specific problems (roughly speaking, the relative values of the pieces evolve much more than in chess during a game). Anyway I agree than in a few years, humans will probably loose in tournament time.


Lionel Vidal    (2007-03-27 23:09:46)
Xiangqi

The number of french xianqi players is of course nothing compare to the number of french chess players (which is BTW quite low compared to other country :-( )... but with the increased interest in China, for mainly economic reasons, xianqi may become more popular here too... consider for instance that the number of chinese language students is greatly increasing these last years...
Of course the popularity of chess will remain certainly much higher!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-28 04:21:32)
100 games per player

With the last update, a new "limitation" appeared on the server : It is not possible anymore to enter a waiting list (but money tournament) if you have more than 100 running games...

Of course, a hundred games is enormous already, actually the aim is not to reduce the number of running games on the server but only to prevent some cases of massive forfeits. Also a few players asked to prevent them to enter too many tournaments at the same time... This site may be too addictive :)


Don Groves    (2007-03-28 08:46:47)
Chess and politics

Then other country's leaders must stop cooperating with Bush! Unless they do, the US will continue on this path of world domination. There was a report today that Russian intelligence says Bush will bomb Iran on April 6th. The entire world must condemn this action starting now! US military is overxtended and if other countries will just refuse to support more US aggression, it will have to stop at Iraq and Afghanistan.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-28 15:46:28)
Droppers

I feel that for at least 3 players in this tournament the problem is they had too many games at the same time ! (FICGS + IECG + ICCF ;))

What is strange is they all came back a few months later and registered for new tournaments. This is a real problem... The best answer to this in my opinion is rating that can decrease quite quickly, some will have to fight hard to enter a class M tournament again. In some cases of course there are personal reasons, it is hard to know and that's a pity to ban such players... :/

So it wasn't a good tournament, sorry about that. Still thinking about a new rule.


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-03-28 19:32:07)
You change the rules or I leave :-)

A few comments in french (sorry : easyer for me)

Deux situations distinctes se produisent :

1. Quelqu'un a mal évalué et s'est engagé dans trop de parties, ou bien a un problème de santé, ou un changement de ses possibilités de loisirs. Il décide d'abandonner un tournoi, abandonne toutes ses parties, donne une petite explication à ses adversaires et bien sûr ne se réinscrit à rien dans l'immédiat. Désagréable mais bien sûr tout à fait admissible. La moindre des choses est qu'on lui interdise de s'inscrire à quoi que ce soit tant que ce qui reste de parties n'est pas terminé (ou abandonné) et que la prochaine réinscription se limite au départ à un seul tournoi qui devra être complètement terminé avant de pouvoir à nouveau cumuler plusieurs inscriptions simultanées.

2. Quelqu'un s'inscrit à de multiples tournois et s'arrête de jouer dans ceux où il est mal parti. Il ne prévient rien ni personne et laisse son temps s'écouler. Entretemps il s'inscrit à d'autres tournois et procède de même. De temps en temps il termine un tournoi si celui-ci parait mieux engagé. Ce joueur(?)-ci est simplement un parasite, un gâcheur de plaisir et un fausseur de résultats pour ceux qui le rencontrent. Mon opinion est sans appel : exclusion pure et simple de celui qui laisse s'éteindre des parties sans aucun commentaire tout en s'inscrivant à de nouveaux tournois. Je ne vois aucune justification possible à une telle attitude.

Je comprends que certains ne partagent pas cette opinion radicale

Quoiqu'il en soit, j'estime que le minimum exigible en faveur de ceux qui ont déjà été confronté à des "droppers" est de leur offrir un moyen de ne pas se trouver à nouveau confrontés aux mêmes parasites dans un autre tournoi.

Je m'explique : actuellement si je m'inscris dans un nouveau tournoi je n'ai aucune assurance quant à l'identité de ceux qui viendront s'inscrire après moi, et je risque à donc à nouveau d'être confronté à quelques-uns de ces personnages que je suis fermement décidé à ne plus rencontrer.

Je n'accepte pas cette perspective

Dès lors, tant qu'il n'y aura pas une modification de règlement qui me permettra d'éviter qu'un "dropper" connu s'inscrive dans un tournoi où je prendrai part, je ne jouerai plus sur FICGS.

Marc

PS Pour ma part, m'étant déjà engagé dans ce tournoi qui a complètement avorté et dans un tournoi master class ICCF, j'ai renoncé à ma qualification dans le championnat FICGS pour éviter de me trouver dans l'obligation éventuelle de renoncer à certaines parties. Le moins qu'on puisse dire est que l'attitude de certains ne me récompense pas vraiment de ma prudence ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-28 23:08:55)
WikiGo

I can't get it... In order to analyze a particular "isolated" Go line with other people, the Problem section seems ok... No need to explore the whole tree online, softwares like Kombilo, Many Faces or SmartGo are dedicated to it, don't you think ?

The interest of Wikichess IMO is to give a 'complete' view for the beginning of a chess game. I can't imagine the same for Go :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-29 04:57:34)
:o)

Merci pour la plaidoirie détaillée :) ... Bon, je suppose que l'idée d'une pénalité restrictive sur les inscriptions est assez bonne, mais peut être insuffisante également. Une pénalité immédiate sur le classement (entrainant une chute de catégorie) pourrait être plus persuasive, j'y pense !


Voilà ce que j'ai pu observer pour ma part jusqu'ici :

Les classements de ces joueurs (notamment dans ton tournoi) baissent malgré tout suffisamment vite pour qu'ils ne puissent pas se réinscrire dans les mêmes catégories, c'est le cas pour 4 des joueurs de ce tournoi, passés sous la barre des 2200.

Certains parasites qui, en effet, volontairement ont tenté de s'inscrire dans un maximum de tournois et abandonner toutes leurs parties pour troubler les classements ont eu un effet minime, pour la simple raison que je les vois faire et mets fin à leurs parties avant les 10 coups pour la plupart, ce qui n'a que peu d'incidence au final. Certains jouent maintenant leurs parties jusqu'au bout, les autres sont partis.

La plus grande cause de forfait en proportion est la "simple visite", le joueur qui s'inscrit, joue quelques coups dans un tournoi puis disparait... La rançon de la simplicité d'inscription et de la gratuité, contre laquelle je ne peux pas grand chose. J'ai pensé à mettre en place un système de limite de nombre de parties progressif, mais je ne suis pas sûr encore que ce soit positif.

Au final, j'ai tout de même envie de croire que ce qui s'est passé dans ce tournoi (à ce niveau) restera exceptionnel... Mais je suis d'accord pour trouver une solution à ce problème, au moins de garantir de ne plus pouvoir rencontrer ces adversaires avant un bon moment.

La pénalité immédiate sur le classement me parait être la seule solution. Toute autre suggestion bienvenue...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-29 05:10:48)
Cas particuliers

Je rajoute quand même qu'il y a effectivement déjà quelques cas un peu complexes pour lesquels je ne saurais pas si je dois ou non appliquer une pénalité... Il y aura de toutes façons toujours des perturbations de temps à autre. Une chose est sûre, dans ton tournoi il n'y a pas que des "serial droppers" ;)


Don Groves    (2007-03-29 05:55:31)
Droppers: New rule

This rule penalizes resignations the same as quitting (silent withdrawal) and it seems to me that quitting is much worse. With a resignation at least the other player knows what is happening and can forget about the game. Not so with quitters.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-29 17:53:03)
game 6909

There was great games following this opening in the past, I remember particularly one by Judit Polgar.

Ok, let's see.. 10. ...Ng8 then.. brr, this position is simply frightening, does it really need an explanation :) .. if 10.Nfd7 then 11.Qh5, 12.O-O-O actually there's no particular line to justify 10. ...d5 IMO, the attack simply looks so strong in other cases... At least it obviously deals with obvious weaknesses in Black's position by giving some air.

Any other try to explain this hard opening ? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-29 19:51:24)
Double round-robin tournaments

Single round-robin tournaments with 7 players remains the very best option in my opinion. Shorter waiting time, more opponents... Playing White or Black against a particular opponent have consequences particularly in WCH tournaments, that is a choice but as there's no perfect system, the idea was to organize more cycles (about one every 6 months) for more chances. This way I'm convinced the best player will reach the final quite quickly :)

Double round robin tournaments with five players will be organized for special events (by the way this formula will not decrease the waiting time before a tournament starts... the more games in a tournament, the longer waiting time to begin another one, it doesn't depend on the number of players only)

Finally I think the idea of double round-robin tournaments with 5 players could be a good one for a new category, with a different time control (maybe longer ?!) .. What do you think ?


Don Groves    (2007-03-30 02:40:19)
Droppers rule

Perhaps trying to fit all cases into one rule is not going to work well. How about a ruling troika, Thibault plus two experts of his choice, that rules on the merits (or demerits ;-) of each case and penalizes appropriately. Serial droppers are banned for some period, others are punished less harshly. An undefended resignation is only penalized if the troika decides it was unwarranted. The same applies to Go games as well.


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-03-30 07:29:57)
why isn't it correspondence ?

"This is no more correspondence chess IMO"

Why so ?

I prefer few games where moves come quickly : I can keep them all in mind and I analyse them almost everyday

That's already the way I actually play : see the state of my clock at the end of my games :-)

At the opposite for what regards myself I feel terribly uncomfortable if I have more than 10-12 games running simultaneously and slowly: when I get a move it's like being in a new game because I cannot remind my former analyses (well they are written down but this is not the same)


Elmer Valderrama    (2007-03-30 10:59:09)
Part 3 is out ..(yawn)...

Okey, Okey, guys, that's not bad for an introduction of e-mail(?!) CC techniques for beginners..

But to be honest you shouldn't be wasting your time in this series and start doing more useful things like implementing the XfccBasic client protocol for correspondence chess servers. Even the IECG server has not ruled out its adoption later (hope you neither, Thibault ;).

But this must be done tout de suite, and the tooter the sweeter, as said. ;-)


Charlie Neil    (2007-03-30 21:13:10)
Time Controls

I think Marc has a point about a cummulative time limit in some time controls. in the class tournaments you could amass a huge ammount of time, if you were a fast player, and then use the clock and play really slowly and upset the rythym of your opponent. I like both time controls available, in Class and Rapid events, but if there is a demand for 5days +1day with a maximum of 20 days should we give it a try. as for drop-outs and silent withdrawals.....that's all in the game. (At least I get 1 point!) I am still dubious about double round robin tournaments but maybe you could try them in the Rapid events first. 5 player double pairings say every second tournament, and back to 7 player single pairing in the other......just a suggestion.


Don Groves    (2007-03-30 23:11:57)
100 games per player

Charlie, you are talking to a person who spends 20 hours a day online, or so it seems on many days. You expect him to save you from too much time online? Surely you jest ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-30 23:13:42)
Rules

Hi Wolfgang.

You can find the rules at the end of this page :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


... or just browse the waiting lists pages for a particular tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-30 23:23:32)
Time Controls

Reminder : There's also a rule that limit the accumulated time to 100 days !

I think rules and time controls are well balanced... Definitely, a faster time control would bring confusion, this is another game.

There will be (as a test) double round-robin tournaments for the forthcoming "biathlon" chess & Go tournament :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-03-31 16:14:34)
Grand prix attack sac. against Caro Kann

I always look with interest the games played by Wladyslav Krol :)

We discussed last month this explosive variant with 3.Nf3!? in Grand Prix attack, now Wladyslav used the same opening against Caro Kann !

1.e4 c6 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3 ...


I found 3 results on Google about this opening, 2 come from FICGS :

http://www.ficgs.com/game_6886.html
http://www.ficgs.com/game_8263.html

http://www.chesspublishing.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1160671893;start=all


It would be interesting to have comments from the players for this interesting opening, out of the books at move 3... Could be a new thematic tournament very soon :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-01 00:35:38)
WCH prize fund - EUR 30,000

Hello to all.

A great news ! .. This is now confirmed just before the start of money tournaments, a german bank joined FICGS to guarantee a prize fund that just increased from EUR 2,000 to EUR 30.000 for the winner of the 2nd FICGS chess world championship !

Ads for both current sponsors will be displayed permanently in a few days on the site, thanks again to them, it will give a new dimension to this chess competition for sure ! .. Still looking for a second sponsor for the FICGS world Go championship, at the moment a japanese firm offers a prize fund of $1,500

Best wishes and have good WCH games !


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-01 19:00:23)
Internet Go vs. Masters

From Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info


How strong are Tygem ( http://tygem.com/ ) stars?

Korean Tygem Go server announced a tournament between top 3 Tygem players and Korean Dream team: Cho Hunnyun, Lee Changho and Yoo Changhyuk.

The results are:


First game: Cho Hunhyun, 9-dan lost by resignation to "spiderman1"

Second game: Lee Changho, 9-dan lost his game by resignation to "GoldHammer"

Third game: Yoo Changhyuk, 9-dan lost by 6.5 points to "gurenarukl"


It's hard to believe it, but they played without any handicap! Each game gathered more than 5000 observers. It seems, that Tygem has lot of other good players, considering that these 3 masters are not undefeatable. Their scores: Spiderman1 , 9-dan on Tygem, W113-L51 GoldHammer, 9-dan on Tygem, W275-L60 gurenarukl, 9-dan on Tygem, W893-L360

Maybe the online Go is far from the offline Go, or do we need a special experience for playing Go on servers? How strong are Tygem star players? Do we know them in real life? There are so many questions.

Chess players will also ask about the possibilities of computer help. Unfortunately they don't have English client available.


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-04-01 21:44:34)
Quel intérêt ?

Une petite franchouillerie pour rester entre soi ?

Pourquoi se priver du plaisir de pouvoir communiquer au delà des limites de la francophonie ?

L'apport d'un forum c'est justement d'avoir le plus large éventail de sensibilités

Et pourquoi pas un espace réservé aux joueurs de go du sud-morbihan ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-01 22:00:01)
;-)

... le même message, avec les couleurs :>


Stephane Rouillard    (2007-04-01 22:09:26)
Simplement

Tout le monde ne maitrise pas forcément très bien l'anglais, et qu'il peut être intéressant de pouvoir converser en français. Après j'oblige personne lol


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-02 05:09:41)
Abuse

That's right.

(I modified the email address to be not recognized by some robots that collect emails)


Don Groves    (2007-04-02 05:41:14)
Sorry

I'll remember to do that in future posts. I forget about those damn ibots :-(


Nick Burrows    (2007-04-03 12:08:26)
future champ?

Everytime i have checked touny results Dmitri Jakovenko seems to be first! nice to see him shoot up to no.18
Who do people see as the future champ?
I agree with Thibault that the WC domination we have seen with Kasparov et al is unlikely in the modern era. However it seems likely to be contested between Radjabov, Carlsen and Karjakin.
As it looks right now, Carlsen just seems to have that extra bit of sparkle to his genius...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-05 01:58:22)
Big Chess championship

Hello to all.

You may have seen in the chat bar the idea to organize a Big Chess championship at FICGS is in the air.

It could be interesting for several reasons, the first one of course is there's no engine to help players :) .. by the way, it may be really hard to program a good Big Chess engine, it should use some Go concepts combined to a powerful chess engine (with quite different parameters).

Now there are some questions :

- What rules for a Big Chess championship ?
- What about a Big Chess rating ?


In my opinion, there shouldn't be a Big Chess rating. That's a pity, but "simple" chess should remain the main rated game here. Actually, the nature of this game (and time control) makes me think it should remain a friendly game first. However there could a championship for fun...

About the rules for such a championship, it could look like the Go championship : A two-stages tournament, first stage would be a single round-robin tournament with the 7 players who won most Big Chess tournaments (will help to promote tournaments ;)), second stage would be a 6 games match against current champion (if the final score is a draw, the current champion will keep his title).

What do you think ?


Don Groves    (2007-04-05 07:51:16)
FICGS Birthdays

I just learned that Alejandro Suarez-Moreno's wife's birthday is also today! I think we should know players birthdays so we can send them greetings on that day. Maybe put them in each player's information. Mine is Sunday ;-)


Ercan Ertem    (2007-04-05 08:34:45)
My opponent's last move!

Is it possible to set Highlight my opponent's last move?


Don Groves    (2007-04-05 09:25:53)
Opponents last move

It should already be highlighted. What browser are you using, that may be the problem.


Ercan Ertem    (2007-04-05 10:17:24)
Opponents last move

I don't know what's the problem. But I can't see highlight last move.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-05 16:06:16)
Opponents last move

Hello Ertem.

What's your browser ? Feel free to message me via "My account" form.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-05 18:42:04)
Big Chess championship

Actually the problem with a multi-stages (4 rounds or more) tournament is it would finish in 2009 as well :)

With my system, Big Chess tournaments would be a continuous championship. Not perfect for sure, but it may be enough. What do you think ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-06 04:50:07)
Rating calculation (algorithm update)

A small (but necessary) improvement in rating calculation algorithm for chess & Go : "In case of a loss or draw against a player rated more than 350 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 350"

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating

In example, if a player rated 2000 loses to a player - most probably a new player helped by a strong engine - rated 1400, the rating considered in calculation will be 1650. It should help to keep ratings more coherent.

All chess results since March 1st will be affected by this change. Next rating calculation will occur on May 1st.

You can see your future chess rating (calculated on the basis of your results since last rating calculation) by clicking on the magnifying glass in "Preferences", then "ELO".


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-06 05:00:13)
Automatic login

Hello to all.

Everyone probably noticed security improvements these months. To use the SSL left form when you login is recommended for maximum security.

However, you could prefer to login faster, in this case you may bookmark the link below (working only if you use the right form & save your username and password in a cookie) :


http://www.ficgs.com/index_identify.php

https://ficgs.com/index_identify.php (SSL)


No more need to click the login button this way...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-07 05:00:31)
Live games (demo)

Hello to all.

I need two chess players who would accept to play a demo game using the "blitz" time control : 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves.

The game would start today, 2007 April 7 at 16:00 (server clock), thanks to respond to this post if you're interested. Thus everyone will see the last server improvements that will appear with money games.. (that should start next week, a new delay :/)

Among the new features :

- Real time clocks
- Auto refresh for all & auto redirecting for the players
- Pop up windows to warn the players "it's your turn"
- Links for live games in comments on each page.

Thanks for your help !


Jason Repa    (2007-04-07 06:44:52)
demo

I'm willing to try out the new "blitz" time control. Out of curiousity, are these games rated? And if so, are you going to have more than one tier of rating, or do all time controls count towards the same rating?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-07 13:17:00)
demo

Hi Jason, thanks for helping :)

No blitz/lightning games will be rated, ratings wouldn't be coherent if so. These time controls will be used for money games only.

At last there will be only 1 rating, the correspondence chess one.

Another taker for this demo game ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-07 18:52:59)
Lightning demo game

Finally it was a lightning (time control 30 min + 1 min / move) game.

A lot of thanks to Catalin for playing this nice game... another one with this funny thematic opening 1.Nf3 2.Ng1 3.Nf3 4.Ng1

All seems ok, but it would be better if the page isn't refreshed until the position change on the board. I'll make some improvements this way.


Jason Repa    (2007-04-07 21:08:40)
demo

Sorry, I think our time zones are vastly different. I'll be online now for about the next 12 hours straight.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-08 00:00:20)
demo

No problem Jason :) .. I enjoyed playing this game. Maybe another time.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-09 03:25:04)
Your favourite Chess / Go movie ?

All in topic :) .. may be instructive, what's your favourite Chess & Go movies, at least movies where the game appears.

Mine is probably "La diagonale du fou" (Dangerous Moves) by Richard Dembo, with Michel Piccoli, Alexandre Arbatt, Liv Ullmann, Jean-Hugues Anglade & Michel Aumont... A great movie about a chess world championship that strangely looks like Karpov vs. Korchnoi.. or Fischer vs. Spassky, something between. Michel Piccoli is simply marvellous in this character :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Moves


About Go I remember "Pi" and "Hero"... I did not see the famous "Hikaru No Go". Any others ?


Nick Burrows    (2007-04-09 11:44:31)
chess film

Luzhin Defence starring John Turturro & Emily Watson from about 5 years back was good. Based on a Nabikov book and following the perhaps cliched path of a troubled genius' slide into madness. Wonderfully acted with v.well researched chess scenes with real positions on the boards!


Mikhail Ruzin    (2007-04-09 15:40:07)
Go movie

"The Go Masters" (Mikan no taikyoku) 1982. Prize of the Ecumenical Jury on Canadian Film Festival (1983) "The Go Master" (2006) The member of 44th New York Film Festival. The subject of the film is the legendary Go player Go Seigen.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-09 23:41:10)
Go / Weiqi : Enigma

While looking for other ways to optimize the server, I had an interesting question about Go, that may look more complex than at first sight :)

"Is it possible to repeat a position (at a particular move) without taking a stone or group (at this particular move) ?"


I submitted it in GoDiscussions forum, one member proved it is possible on a 2x2 board... then on 19x19

http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27834


Mikhail Ruzin    (2007-04-09 19:17:12)
Internet Go vs. Masters

Answer from Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info Edwon Dimariel (France) wrote: Hello, Many French players on KGS have been wondering if the Tygem story is right. Are you used to make "April Fishes" on April the 1st ? It's very common here, and these results are hard to believe. How much time did they have to play the games ? Answer from Alexander Dinerchtein, the main editor: It was not a joke. I attached some photos in pdf and the game record of Cho Hunhyun's defeat with few comments.


Mikhail Ruzin    (2007-04-09 19:24:34)
Go : Pro vs Amateur on Japanese Agon Cup

Mace Li on go4go wrote: "A contributor sent me quite a few game records from Japanese Agon Cup, the only tournament that reserve some seats for amateur players. The amaturs are doing extremely well!" ... The game records: http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=217&forum=6&post_id=864#forumpost864


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-04-09 23:43:22)
Thematic tournaments suggestion

A small and hopefully interesting suggestion :

When we go to the list of running and/or finished thematic tournaments we just see "tournament 001", tournament 002" and so on.

It would be nice to have the start position (as a PGN line) immediately under each tournament title so as to see at a glance which opening was played.

Marc


Jason Repa    (2007-04-10 00:13:32)
chess movie

I can't speak for Go, but there hasn't been a good chess movie yet. By far the absolute worst was "Searching for Bobby Fischer" which was a predictable prozaic drama that had nothing whatsoever to do with Bobby Fischer, or chess (real chess) for that matter. Dembo's "Dangerous Moves" was a pass. At least it was actually about chess. It was loosely based on a Karpov - Korchnoi championship but the character who was supposed to be Karpov was the older man. Neither of the actors were convincing in their attempt to portray top chess grandmasters. It would be nice to see a factual and well made movie about chess. Perhaps the Bobby Fischer story. I think an actor like James woods would be perfect to play an older Fischer.


Jason Repa    (2007-04-10 01:03:22)
Rounders

I did enjoy this movie. I like alot of Edward Norton and John Malkovich's work. Speaking of Malkovich, did you see the comedy "Art School Confidential"? I thought it was hillarious. It's amazing to see the range of that actor. He's played everything from cold-blooded serial killers to effeminate Fine Arts professor's.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-10 02:04:50)
Thematic tournaments suggestion

Quite true... I did not think about "comments" for tournaments, but it would be useful for thematic ones :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-10 16:57:41)
Improvements

Once more, two chess players are welcome to play a demo game using the "lightning" time control : 30 minutes + 1 minute / move. Thanks to respond here if you're interested.

Now the viewer page checks positions every 5 seconds for players, 10 sec. for observers WITHOUT refreshing itself until the position changed.

Thanks for your help !


Catalin Ionescu    (2007-04-10 20:04:29)
demo - round 2

ok. just tell me at what hour the game will be (hopefully in the evening like the last one was) :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-04-10 20:48:29)
Rating calculation (algorithm update)

I think I will never understand FICS rating system. I gave up long, long time ago. Now it is changed again I guess. No matter, it is what it is. :) Thibault I will play, you and your server rate em.. heheheh Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-11 01:20:30)
Active players rating list

Hello to all.

For information only at the moment but it will replace the current list as the "main" list, here is the active players rating list (displaying players who connected to the server these last 30 days) for chess :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=rating_list&active=1

It is about 1/3 of the members, so not bad "for a start" in my opinion.. :)

To be continued.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-11 18:21:53)
Free Lightning chess ?

I suppose FICS (not FICGS :)) / ICC do it very well already. In my opinion, FICGS should stay a correspondence chess [meaning CC time controls] server first. Money blitz & lightning games will be offered to the players who look for more excitement only :) .. thus it should be a casual spectacle, and of course the way to help the server and to provide prizes for championships...

By the way, money games should start in the very next few days. (last step with french administration :))


Don Groves    (2007-04-12 01:12:45)
Suji

It seems to be an excellent source for Go. Thank you, Mikhail!


Volker Koslowski    (2007-04-12 22:02:56)
Big Chess Championship

I think that a system based up on points suggested by Heinz-Georg is a good idea for a BC Championship. It is not very complex and maybe we must not wait until 2009 for the first final round robin tournament :)


Matt Lasley    (2007-04-13 22:15:13)
Skip feature

Is there a skip feature? When a move is entered on one game, it's great to hit "next" and move to the next game. Sometimes, I want to "skip" a game, and go to the next without making a move. So far it seems I must go back out to "games" and come back in to a different game. tx-Matt


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-16 05:32:18)
Chess fever

Thanks for info :) .. looks interesting !

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3559

http://www.jeremysilman.com/movies_tv_js/chess_fever.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-16 05:33:46)
Skip feature

That's a great idea, thanks :) .. I just implemented it, soon updated.


Scott Prestwood    (2007-04-16 16:19:09)
Consider this

It has been a part of the correspondence chess tradition that you can use your own personal databases. Well, what if this database has a large proportion of computer verses human games? Computer verses computer? What if these databases were being generated by computers? Many chess viewers and database applications provide statistics and information are not reasonably generated by anything other than a computer. It seems that computer chess will be slowly keeping in.


Graham Wyborn    (2007-04-19 08:19:07)
Download

I do not use "download" after each move. But I do often use "download". It is the scrolling / wheeling up & down the screen that seems unnecessary.

Or am I just plane lazy!! :-)


Achim Mueller    (2007-04-21 09:39:24)
WCH Stage 1 rules

Hi all,

a few words regarding the rules for WCH Stage 1. As far as I know now one player (out of 7) qualifies for the 2nd stage. In case of having 2 or more players with the same points at the top the player with the highest rating will qualify.

This is already difficult enough for newbies (with lower raing) because their opponents will have an advantage of 0.5 points in these 6 games. It's getting nearly impossible if you play in a group, where three players lost all their games on time within 10 moves (so they didn't play a single game seriously).

You can't afford a single draw in the remaining three games then, because in reality you play a tournament with only four players, where at least one player has a nominell advantage of nearly 20%!

I for myself now decided not to play future tournaments having this exceptionell ruling. Sorry to say so, but I don't see a realistic chance of winning all three games in correspondence chess nowadays, but what is needed to have a chance.

Ciao acepoint


Jason Repa    (2007-04-21 10:35:27)
WCH Rules

Achim Mueller wrote: "In case of having 2 or more players with the same points at the top the player with the highest rating will qualify." This is completely logical. The higher rated player will tend to be the stronger of the group, especially if he isn't outscored by the lower rated player, so it's obvious that if you have to choose between two that are equal in points, you take the one that is more likely to be stronger. Can you think of a better and more fair way to choose between the two? Also, I disagree with your comments about how someone "can easily play on draw". This is completely wrong. Even with the Black pieces, games can be and are won all the time, even at the very highest level of chess. Top GM's constantly are winning with black, and what is arguably considered the top computer in the world "Hydra" was defeated more than once by a garden-variety GM who had the black pieces. Regardless of color and regardless of rating, chess is a game of skill and if you need a win against a certain opponent, the onus is on you to draw on all of your resources, including choosing the type of oppening that will not lend itself to an easy draw. A weak player who doesn't understand these concepts will have no chance in subsequent rounds in a tournament anyway and shouldn't worry about advancing. My experience is proof also. I had the black pieces against a significantly higher rated opponent in my WCH group and I beat him to secure my advancement.


Don Burden    (2007-04-21 16:56:18)
WCH Rules

In the first WCH tournament, I had a tied high score (5.5 out of 6), but didn't advance because of my lower rating. With only 7 players in each group, the chance seems to be very high that we will have matching high scores, especially if some players drop out. It makes sense (in my opinion) that the chance could be lowered significantly if the number of players are increased to 11 or 13.


Achim Mueller    (2007-04-22 00:42:15)
Some more answers ;-)

@Don Burden

Full ack! If the rules stay as they are now it definitely makes sense to have groups of 11 or 13 players with e.g. 2 qualifiers.

@Mikhail Ruzin

Believe it or not, I would have been glad to play in group 02! There are seven "life" players and I bet a score of 4.5 or maybe even 4 points may be enough to qualify. In group 12 it's only 4 life players, and a result of 5 points (maybe 5.5 points) won't be enough for one player. There are only two remaining games, and all three strong life players have 4.5(one game to play), 4.5(1) and 4(2).

In this special situation exactly three games will decide who will quailify if you take a deeper look at the results and the contents of the games.

@Thibault

I never said it's easy for a 2300 ELO player if he plays for a draw only. But it's a big advantage for a player in a region between 2200 and 2500 if is aware that a draw will have the same quality as a victory against a certain competitor. Take a look at the world class cc players. There is a ~70% draw rate in the big tournaments, so the probability will be more than 70% if a player seriously tries to force a draw by choosing a certain opening and avoiding complicated variations.

Ciao

acepoint


Achim Mueller    (2007-04-22 23:55:20)
Final statement

Guys, I see that noone has a plausible answer. Doesn't matter. I only made the hopeless attempt to understand the logic of the rules and what is behind it. Don't mind. I'm probably too stupid for it.

See you at iccf or bdf.

Ciao

acepoint


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-23 01:05:39)
Performance / Rating

Achim, you just pointed it : "Regarding the rating as a decision maker I have one questions: Who showed the better performance if two players have the same number of points at the end? The player with the higher or the player with the lower rating?" .. of course the player with the lower rating :)

Once more, the aim of these rules is to find the very best player, NOT the best 'performer' in a group, tournament, match or whatever... ICCF & IECG do it well already and I thought this system could be more exciting. Maybe there could be some improvements in the rules yet, but the idea makes sense IMO. Does it really make sense to speak of performance in correspondence chess ? .. It makes sense in OTB chess because it reflects the level of players at a particular moment. But you can play a good CC tournament and a bad one at the same time...

Best wishes, Thibault


Nick Burrows    (2007-04-23 01:50:31)
my 64 pence worth...

I must admit that i have always disliked the Fide WC rule. It seems to be there to protect the champion rather than creating a level playing field.
The fide WC is also played over 24 games rather than 5 in the groups here.
My humble opinion is that for the WC groups of 11/13 or double round robin, would be fairer and give the skillfull players more oportunity to demonstrate that skill.
It is quite likely that in a group of 5, with just 1 or 2 critical games - the better player could finish even and be eliminated. Fine for class groups, but surely the in a 'World Championships' its worth exploring a little extra detail to find the real deserving winner.
A healthy debate! No matter what, thankyou for the provision of such a great site :)


Jason Repa    (2007-04-23 10:04:00)
Cheating Accusations

My advice is to take the accusations with a grain of salt. I'm a very good blitz/bullet player and years ago before I found out about ICC and Playchess.com I used to play at the crappy free sites such as yahoo and pogo. I would often be the strongest and highest rated player in the room and would get constantly accused of being a "prog". I would say take it as a compliment but these people are too stupid to understand what a good move or good technique is. They make the accusation based on successful results only.
As for your game with Anand. I think it's ridiculous to accuse you of program assistance. For starters, the game isn't very important. It's just an unrated simul game with no prize whatsoever. It seems to me you should have received some sort of award, not necessarily cash, but something chess related and of value. I understand it's for charity, but I can't see who in their right mind would pay money to play in a simul when there is no incentive to win. You might as well just write a check to send directly to the handicapped children of India.
When Chapters bookstore hired me to do a chess simul it was a fundraiser for our chess club. I didn't lose any games, but the sole person to merely draw me (28-0-1) in the 29 games I played received a free tournament entry ($30 value) to one of our local monthly events. I thought this was a great idea and had the benefit of bringing a new player into our club.


Phil Cook    (2007-04-25 06:03:35)
Virus

Bad news this end,got a little gremlin in my system,,I'll be outta action till Sunday 30 April 2007 All players I'm playing,Sorry unavoidable,I've enough time to carry me for that period,so wont take vacation.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-25 13:57:32)
Virus

April 30 !? .. Do this virus display a countdown "your system will definitely shut down in 4 days from now" ?? :) .. I hope you can kill it without re-installing your system... What anti-virus do you use ?

Best wishes, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-26 17:45:48)
Art and Science...

Sometimes, while filling the registration form, new players just say Hi!, recently one of them wrote : "I like correspondence chess because it is both art and science while chess is art only."

Quite true... I like this new quote, what do you think about it ? :)


Nick Burrows    (2007-04-26 19:06:56)
art & sport

I agree with the emphasis on correspondance being a science for sure. However i would ammend it to chess as art & sport. the competitive element in o.t.b chess is a very important component of its appeal.


Nicola Lupinacci    (2007-04-27 01:25:32)
Elo question...

I have a question...

I have now 1410 Elo points and at next elo refresh (1st May) I probably raise at 1576 Elo points.

Now there is a problem: I arrive at 1576 becouse I have won 5 game where after 15-20 moves my opponent's clock silently finish without any other moves and in 3 or 4 of this games my opponent was in a really good position.

The question is:
Is possible do not to calculate elo variation of this particular games?

I think it is a good idea to make an option that when I win a game by time, I can choose if this game will be calculate or not calculate in my elo variation...

I suggest this becouse I gain elo points from losing games and it is not fun :(

Sorry for my bad english... :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-29 23:48:55)
Google searches

Statistics are always instructive, often funny :)

Recently, a few new "magic" keywords appeared to attract Googlers on FICGS website... After 'Yahoo mail problems' and a bunch of other funny ones, it seems a new chess star is born on Google :) .. "Marc Lacrosse" or "Marc Lacrosse Anand ICC" appear many times a day... Another funny one "Rybka 2.3.1 free download" or "Rybka download free" : Dear friends, Rybka is not free for download here, I'm sorry ;)


Sandor Marton-Bardocz    (2007-04-30 11:54:47)
WCH Stage 1 rules

Hi everyone! Let me introduce my self :-) I'm the highest rated player in the Wch stage 1 group 12 "the blocking guy" how Achim described me...whatever that means.. 1. there is no dead draw in my opinion likewise there is no absolute winning lines, openings in a chess game...And this is most true in our "centaur, human-engine tandem" era where lines are very "unstable" to say the least..so I don't believe that one can play for a absolute draw without any risk..avoiding complicated variations...the variations complexity is very relativ...line can be "cristal clear" for one and most complicated for other..In my opinion high rates of draws among world class cc player isn't because they all play for draws ...It's a tendency..like it was in otb chess among super gm-s...not long ago...until the "no draw alowed" rules were aplied...i don't want to speculate why this happens.. 2. If someone really want to win...then should play for a win ...no matter what regulations are applied for that particular tournament 3. I think that if someone might want to take a look to the game that I played against mister Deeb in the same tournament ...starting from the move 17 of mine...hardly can to argue that I wanted to play for draws just to achieve equal points to advance. I think that none of the engines can even "smell" the outcome of the game in that position after 17..d5!?...so...saying that nowdays it's easier to achieve draws because of engines....it's a little bit exaggerated The plan started with the move 17 ...d5!? that I have played it was an absolute rejection of a drawish (by repetation) position...and it was played just because i wanted to ...play.. not to advance in a higher stage of the tournament or something...even though the final outcome ( just in my opinion! and this isn't an absolute true by far) is probably ...still a draw. 4. The regulations regarding the advance in the higher stages of the tournament..now this are definitly arguable!there are pro's and con's...and always be. We don't have plausible answers for this kind of issues...because it's is a subjectiv matter. I'm not convinced too that "higher rated player advance"is the right regulation..few examples...just look for example ...Kramnik - Leko WCH . a. ..challenger and his fans can say.."hey he didn't beat him...why should remain WChampion?! He didn't proved that he is better!" b. ..Wchampion and his fans can say.."hey u want my crown?! than beat me, and take it! draw isn't enough!" The line of examples doesn't stops here ..i don't want to prolong this subject...No rule can satisfy both sides...polemics, flame are always present :-) 5. None can predict what will be the process in a group...If 2-3 or even 4 players changes they mind and doesn't really play..that's it, and none can't do a thing about that ...maybe some sanctions later...i don't believe it will do any good anyway... 6. In the game betwen me and Achim...I don't think that I choosed a draw line...I think that I had the initiative but probably it wasn't enough for a win, Achim overforced it ....which isn't a bad thing but probably not with the plan he had preferred. good day for everyone!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-30 14:05:46)
The meaning of Go for modern Russia

An interesting (as usual) article from IGN "Goama" newsletter - http://gogame.info


Alexander Rodin, the member of Go Federation
"The meaning of Go for modern Russia"

I'll try to state my thoughts about the meaning of the Go for modern Russia.

To begin with I suggested that we extrapolate Go models on the political and economical maps. These maps are very important as the spheres of social life, because the questions that are discussed at political and economical levels touch upon our lives, the lives of ordinary Russian citizens. In these spheres they continue the fierce struggle for life and death; in these spheres rivalry is especially keen and the made decisions define the vectors of our country development.

Let's imagine a situation if somebody inadequate came to power and set the totalitarian regime! Then all social "dissident" institution would start dying and so would do the Go Federation as a phenomenon which unifies people with independent thinking. Then it would be inevitable to start "hiding in basements" to keep the organization and set the secret addresses. Under conditions of modern Russia such kind of reasoning seems to be mostly fantastic than real. But if we look behind into our history we’ll remember that we have already had this phase of social development and know everything about it.

I am for that only "adequate" people, patriots, must hold power (I mean all its levels: federal, regional, local and busyness elite as well). These people must think independently and it would be just perfect if they were the people who both understand the very notion of strategy and use in their activity all the arsenal of strategic instruments and among them principles, stratagems and Go philosophy.

Someone can argue: "What are the patriots who set Japan draughts?" the heart of the problem is not in the fact that somebody sets draughts and even the Japan ones. The matter of fact is that there is a "pacific" model the centre of which is the idea of balance and peaceful division of the territory and influence. If someone of us can offer something better, so let him rule. In my opinion, it's the same as to rewrite the Bible or "The Treatise of Military Art" Soun Tsi.

The Go essence manifests in the state scale in the following aspects:

The first one is historical and cultural. The game has a great history and longstanding traditions. Go is no less than a civil game with the development of which hand by hand goes statehood making in many countries. Besides, it's followed by strengthening of spirituality and moral principles of society.

The second aspect is social. Go unifies people, sets friendly relationships between them. Through Go a man manifests quickly, through it s/he can see his/her reflection. Owing to "open spiritual fight" your adversary is likely to become your best friend without saying a word during a game.

The third aspect is pedagogical. Through Go they bring up the grown generations and form their active civil position. Like chess, Go forms and consolidates dynamical stereotypes showing in following behavioral models of people. Penetrating and consolidation happen imperceptibly when sleeping, during the junction of conscious and unconscious.

The fourth aspect is economical. Why are business people interested in Go? Because through the game model a man learns how to manage material and non-material resources. Via the game s/he realizes economical and management notions: market (territory), economical integration, SWOT-analysis (the analysis of weak and strong aspects) etc. Managers start realizing the importance of interconnection and interaction of structural subdivisions ensuring. These subdivisions shouldn't be isolated from each other. They should work time in time like a well-tuned tuning fork.

The fifth aspect is political. The idea of community in politics is as relevant as the idea of group of stones. When a group is weak there is always a possibility of dividing it and this is a sign for the whole group. When our country, being a federal union of equitable subjects, was going through its stage of making a number of subjects had a wish to use the weakness of this chain. So, in 1992 ­ 1994 for the first time after the collapsing of the USSR there appeared first separatist tendencies. E.Rossel, the governor of Sverdlovskaya region, A. Philipenko, the governor of HMAO, claimed about the possibility of Ural republic creation. The emissary of Chechen separatists Gokhar Dudaev proclaimed the independence of Chechen-Ingush republic. The detachment didn't happen but the country paid with blood for it. Nowadays we can see demonstration of political integration and isolation on the modern political world map. Take a strong unity of the European Union and states-outsiders: Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Iran.

In terms of remaining of the USA's striving for establishment of world hegemony (from V.V.Putin's speech at the recent Munich conference), Russia needs the processes of integration and consolidation with other countries aimed at its strengthening. The unified countries have a lot of dame. Now we can observe the stronger split in the CIS as a consequence of energetic and territorial policy of Russia that uses economical instruments of pressure upon "unfriendly and opposing" countries. Is it good or not? It's more likely that it‘s bad. But there are some positive tendencies: the role of the EurAsEC as a community which's built not on the basis of "strange brotherhood" and the role of Russia in it are increasing. Go is an ideological and spiritual base making us related to the countries of Asia-Pacific region. Go teaches how to see and distinguish creative and destroying processes.

The sixth aspect is psychological. The game develops thinking, in particular such processes as analysis and synthesis. It develops the ability of seeing the whole board and its details, the ability of seeing processes proceeding at global and local levels.

The seventh aspect is verbal and lexical or even philosophical. Through studying of the game theory we realize such categories as life and death, territory and influence, reliability, stability, the whole and the parts etc.

So, what is the Go meaning on the country scale? I assume that Go, as philosophy (an ideological and spiritual base), is a very important instrument of upbringing of strategic leaders, those who make decisions at high economical and political levels that influence the country's fate. Because in Go the idea of peaceful co-existence shows the way to harmony. The most pleasant is the fact the "Go way" doesn't have an end and there sky's the limit.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-04-30 17:32:08)
Rules and morals

Rules just have to be clear before a tournament starts – whether this rules are bad or good will be defined by the individual sight of everyone, so never mind because the rules are known and accepted by all members. Just a bad looser is searching his lost by the rules! Another thing is the abuse of rules – you can play in accordance with the rules and nevertheless break moral fundamentals. I.e. definitely lost or drawn games (known by both opponents) will not finished (by resign or draw offer/accept) because of the hope that the opponent will have a heart attack before the time control is coming. Or taking care of your rating, it will be done in next rating period later on. Perhaps it is purely a matter of taste!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-04-30 18:45:25)
Cochrane Gambit

Thanks ! .. By the way, the waiting list for the next chess thematic tournament is open (Cochrane gambit, of course ;))

Best wishes, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-01 00:57:44)
Achim's answer

Achim Mueller asked to close his account, but he wanted to respond to Wolfgang & Sandor, here's his answer :


"A last clarification:

@Wolfgang Utesch: I wasn't aware of the "ELO-prefering" rule and I still don't find it here on the webpage. I opened a thread here in this forum and besides "then win all your games" or "in this case we ensure that the better player will qualify" there were no substantial arguments for this pretty unused and unknown rule (not that I agree with these two "arguments"!). Nonetheless I accepted the rule for this tournament.

My decision to give up and leave this server is based on an easy calculation how many games I have to play here to get a - what I call - competitive rating that somehow equals the advantage, players with a nominal rating of 2200 - 2500 will have in every tournament where this rule exists. Because my time is limited my decision was to leave the server, that's all. I don't complain, I don't take anything as an excuse. It's simple as it is: I gave it a try here, became aware of the rule and decided this is the wrong place for me, ok?

@Sandor Marton-Bardocz : I didn't say with any word that you are a blocking guy. This was a _general_ thesis how the player with the best rating can take an overwhelming advantage at this ruling. All good players (ask anyone in the region of 2400up at remoteschach, dbf, iecg or iccf) will confirm that it is most difficult to get 3.5 point out of 4 if at least 2 players know how to use computers and choose certain openings.

Finally ... ficgs is a nice place to play, the interface is good and I assume Thibault put a lot of work into it. So, enjoy your games here, but also accept that from time to time there might be players that will leave because of certain issues.

Ciao

Achim"


Rules (and chess WCH rules) - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html

Thanks Achim. Best wishes & have good games :)


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-05-01 08:28:28)
Rules

@Achim: It is just your failure to start in a tournament without knowing the rules! @Thibault: I think, in our match we need not the use of the special rule. :-) A problem in corresponding game is, that rating is showing the right strongness seldom. By the way, you should put the rules on the home page!


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-05-01 18:19:14)
Display of rules

It is displayed only under MEMBERSHIP (with a lot of scroling). It will be much better you can display it also on the personell sites under the special term RULES!


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-05-02 14:46:08)
Fun and competition

For me is correspondence chess just fun and competition. It is possible, that some of my played games may give others a feeling of art (in this case not in the meaning of artificial :-)), but this is just a result of a random process. A special science of correspondence chess (beside normal chess theory) can I see only in programming chess engines or in finding of Tablebases – both not my skills. I love chess, but I’m too weak playing OTB chess on a high level, possible not by my fundamental understanding of chess positions but by my missing personal power of memory, computing (without computers) and nerves. So correspondence chess is ideal for me, because I can substitute my individual weaknesses by a computer und have no time stress to analyse the positions in all ways – artificial and human – to find out the most efficient chance.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-02 19:10:02)
sb tie breaks

... it will be discussed every 6 months for sure ;)

While writing WCH rules, the main goal was not only (or firstly) to make it fair. It should be a spectacular and exciting challenge first ! .. Nothing was more unfair than the old FIDE WCH cycle and that was great. Once more these rules have not be designed to 'choose' the best player in the tournament, but more probably the best player. Another advantage of rating preference is you know the challenge when each group starts, result is not decided during the tournament, according to the games of your opponents with the same number of points.

At last, I just wanted to make it different. So you may play in the ICCF & IECG world championship tournaments if you prefer the classical round-robin system :)


Dan Rotaru    (2007-05-03 00:32:46)
sb tie breaks

I believe that Garvin’s idea regarding the tie break makes sense. The higher rated player in a group is not always the best player, especially in correspondence chess where it takes time to achieve one’s real rating or players can get an established equal rating from ICCF or IECG. I also believe that games will be spectacular and exciting even with new rules. I played to win in both my games against the highest rated players in my group and wouldn’t have played different no matter the rules. In the end the rules are rules and equal for everybody so we must obey. However from the number of replies it seems that the topic is hot and maybe it is worth debating for the next WCH. I don’t want to play in the ICCF & IECG world championship tournaments because I enjoy FICGS too much :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-03 21:24:27)
opponents

To implement chess knowledge is a question of time, I'm not sure it was a priority in the last Fritz/Junior versions. Rybka will have serious challengers in a few months, one year at most :)


Christophe Czekaj    (2007-05-07 13:25:39)
science,art and bluff

Ok for the artistic element but perhaps there is too much "science" in correspondence chess due to the use of computers. There is no much place left for "bluff" which belongs to the pleasure chess gives us


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-08 23:03:28)
Herrstroem gambit, 1.Nf3 g5

What do you think about this gambit (new thematic tournament) ? .. Very critical. Is it lost for Black already ?


Nicola Lupinacci    (2007-05-09 10:04:10)
suggestion

What about Dory defense?
1. d4 Nf6, 2. c4 e6, 3. Nf3 Ne4

or (in italian language) Attacco Aculeo?
1. g4 d5, 2. Bg2 c6; 3 g5 (I don't know if Black can make the first move in thematic tournament)


Nicola Lupinacci    (2007-05-09 17:54:04)
Re: Re: Suggestion

Becuose same gambits or critical openings start whit a white move,
i.e. King gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.f4
and now black can play 2. ... exf4 or 2. ... d6 or 2. ... Nc6 ecc. ecc.
I think that in certain thematic tournament whit opening like this 1st move would be made by black...

but i don't know how thematic tournaments work... :)



Nick Burrows    (2007-05-10 00:04:13)
Mike Surtees

If you are ever short of ideas for thematic tourney's check out the openings of Mike Surtees...always interesting!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-10 03:21:12)
Thematic tournaments

Nicola, there's no rule for thematic tournaments.. every mad opening is welcome :)

Nick, what are these famous openings played by Mike Surtees !?


Don Burden    (2007-05-11 02:32:13)
Chinese thoughts

Confucius could give answer to that, unfortunately Confucius not here at moment.

Kindness in heart better than gold in bank.

Truth like football, receive many kicks before reaching goal.

Politeness golden key that open many doors.

Any powder that kills flea is good powder.

Knowledge only gained through curiousity.

Man without relatives is man without trouble.

Sleep only escape from yesterday.

Do not challenge supernatural unless armed with sword of truth.

To destroy false prophet must first unmask him before eyes of believers.

When fear attack brain, tongue wave distress signal.

Drop of plain water on thirsty tongue more precious than gold in purse.

Thought at present like dog chasing own tail, getting noplace.

When money talk, few are deaf.

Humility only defense against rightful blame.

Luck happy combination of foolish accidents.

Alibi have habit of disappearing like hole in water.

Good fisherman, like clever merchant, know lure of bright colors.

Man without enemies like dog without fleas.

Front seldom tell truth, to know occupant of house always look in backyard.

One small wind can raise much dust.

Caution sometimes mother of suspicion. Suspicion often father of truth.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-12 15:44:08)
Money chess and Go tournaments

FICGS money chess & Go tournaments will be open today !

At last, after the next update (in a few hours) including legal informations (home page / rules) and the 'My account' page, the money chess & Go games can start.

Players interested are invited to read rules (updated) in its entirety, particularly 04. Entry fees, 05. Prize money, 06. Warranties, 07. Money transfer ...

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


Feel free to discuss rules for entry fees and prizes in this thread, some points may have to be clarified yet. It's a long time I think about these rules to make them most interesting at the same time for the players and the server, according to french taxes & laws.

Of course, all free tournaments will remain free. As FICGS becomes a commercial server, the more players will enter money tournaments, the more ads on the internet so the more players :)

Time controls for money chess games & tournaments are 30 minutes + 1 minute / move (lightning), 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves (blitz), 30 days + 1 day / move (rapid), 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves (standard). Thematic chess money games will be played at blitz time control.

Time controls for money Go games & tournaments are 30 minutes + 1 minute / move (lightning) and 30 days + 1 day / move (standard).


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-12 21:06:59)
Skip feature

Hmm.. so many ways to implement it. If you use it quite often, I suppose that "My games" page is a faster way to find the good game. (I'm lazy too :))


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-05-13 12:44:12)
Finally!

Hi, Thibault!
Congratulations! ;)

I am interested in money thematic games. :)
I can play in evenings at 6 on clock (server time).

- Traxler counterattack with white (Nxf7 and Bxf7)
- Evans gambit with black
- Latvian gambit with white (I like Svedenborg very much :) )

I offer 30 EUR money stakes. If I win I get some money. If not, then money goes to my opponent.

Can I transfer 30 EUR to FICGS account in moneybookers.com?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-13 14:04:07)
Thematic tournaments

Hi Ilmars :)

Yes, you can now transfer money to FICGS account. (see "My account")

It is not possible to choose your opening in the money thematic tournaments in waiting lists, but I can create the games handly. If you don't find an opponent, I'll play it.

Best wishes.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-05-13 18:36:17)
Thematic money games

I transfered money to FICGS account. Now I must wait only.

I can play every day at 18 o'clock. But not two days in row. :)
If I am in FICGS at that time it means that I want to play.
Does anyone want to play it?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-15 15:14:59)
Fighting against Tablebases

Hello Wolfgang, please remind me (here or in our games) the game you're talking about. Quite strange that shredderchess tablebases did not give the same result than yours.

Anyway, if your opponent does not have 6-pieces tablebases and his engines and instinct say +0,70, it may be hard for him to trust you :)

Best, Thibault


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-05-17 10:26:23)
Problem is solved

- time has run out. With the great behavior of a real sportsman my opponent abandons to resign in a normal way. ;( Further on I will abondon to play against him over again.


Albert H. Alberts    (2007-05-19 15:54:40)
shesnikov

Cirulis/Thibault. Indeed after 14.-fg4 15.Qg4 f5 black is clearly better. But my Fritz-10 went 14.- e4/Bb2 and that is bad. However white can go 12.c3 Bd5 13/ed5 Ne7 14. g4!? hg4 15.Qg4 Rg8 16.Qf3 Ng6 and then 17.0-0-0 to save tempi for 0-0/Kh1 and connect rooks.I'll be back early next week for lines.


Robert Mueller    (2007-05-20 10:19:40)
Opponent dragging out lost game

Hi, Is it possible to get a game adjudicated, if the opponent just does not resign. It is game #5664, where my opponent ist in a hopeless situation. We are already in the six men tablesbases and he is lost with check mate in 34 moves. From his original 100 days time he already used 57. He seems to be determined to drag this out as long as possible. Do I have to wait another 43 days for the win :(


Don Groves    (2007-05-22 06:40:38)
Dragging out lost game

Just playing devil's advocate here: If a forced mate can be demonstrated, should this be sufficient for a win? On the other hand, should the losing player have the right to play on in hopes of an error by his opponent? It seems one of these questions should be answered with a "yes." That said, what is the rationale for the one month rule? It seems logical that either (a) the game ends immediately upon demonstration of a forced mate, or (b) the game ends normally, most likely when the loser's clock drops or he finally resigns.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-05-22 14:51:18)
#6869 ...

.. is there any win (earlier too)? This question by Thibault has to be answered. It seems to be a clear win, but ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-22 15:16:16)
Dragging out lost game

"If a forced mate can be demonstrated, should this be sufficient for a win?" .. the answer is yes, BUT the opponent should have the right to continue the game in a limited time, so that he can eventually see the mate and he can't last the game too much.


Albert H. Alberts    (2007-05-23 14:49:38)
shesnikov

To Wolfgang Utech: ALL openings have more secrets can the engines can detect.Invariant of the program Fritz, Rybka, Junior, whatever.Question is to unveil them.It is more difficult with greater processing speed/deeper depth. In "so-called "free style" chess (allowing use of machines) players go over ELO 3000 no draws, so some of them should be able to beat machines with ease. Albert H.Alberts,www.howtofoolfritz.com


Albert H. Alberts    (2007-05-26 01:33:41)
Deep Fritz vs. Deep Junior

Thibault: Maybe the reason is that ICGA Ilyumzhinov=FIDE=ICGA=Chessbase=Fritz stage an advertisement campaign with Fritz-10 the New Ruling WC? In that case the 100 000 comes back triple. Who knows. Computer chessmen/women know that Rybka is unbeatable at the moment.


Catalin Ionescu    (2007-05-27 13:52:21)
Candidates Matches 2007

The matches started today. You can see them live at: http://globalchess.eu/games.php.

The top match of round 1 is Carlsen against Aronian.

Who do you think will qualify for the WC?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-05-30 15:16:36)
White wins

Hi Phil, didn't you receive my email after you & your opponent called referee ?

Indeed, White wins this game. Feel free to try the Go scorer :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=score&game=9752

.. you'll see the score after removing stones s11, s17, r18.

You have to resign, sorry.

Best, Thibault


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2007-06-01 12:26:32)
Go championship

I think that the current rules are quite good. For the current user base, 9 players round robin is enough.

If the user base gets bigger and stronger, you could introduce preliminary stages. Example: sort all players who entered the waiting list by rating, then the final league consists of the 5 strongest players plus 4 players who placed first in the preliminary (which might be a knockout, or another league).

One thing I would change in the current system: the usual custom for multi-game matches between two players is to determine colours randomly for the first game, then alternate. If an uneven number of games is played, then in the last game, colours are chosen randomly again.

As I interpret the rules in that way that all five final games are played simultaneously, I would propose that one of those games is played with random colours.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-01 17:56:58)
Final match

Hello Svante Carl, thanks for sharing your views !

I agree about the round-robin tournament, it could evolve according to the rating list...

About the final match, I have good reasons for not introducing any chancy factor in tournaments (anyway I think it's better this way), I finally agreed with players about the 5-games match but it was hard for me to consider this non symmetrical schedule... Making it different is not a problem IMO, a (2xn)-games final match with equality favourable to former champion - like FICGS chess WCH - was ok for me but 6 games may be too few, giving a too big advantage to the former winner of the tournament.

Anyway, there will be no final match in this 1st championship, it will be probably discussed again & again :)


Nick Burrows    (2007-06-05 01:53:27)
Round 3

What a wonderful first round of games! I was lucky to watch them all on icc, and managed to pick 6 winners.
Hats off to Magnus Carlsen, what a fearless display of chess. I now believe he will be a long reigning WC in 3 0r 4 years time.
For the next round i will unadventurously choose Aronian/leko/grischuk/gelfand
they should all be tight, id like to see Gata win, but fear his openings will be too weak against Gelfand.
I eagerly anticipate the games!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-06 05:51:55)
E-Points + 25% , affiliate links

Hello to all, now trying to promote tournaments with entry fees & money prizes :)

You may have seen in rules that there are 2 'rakes' for money tournaments, a one-time 25% and a 'rake' per tournament which is very low... From now and until september 31, you'll be given 25% E-Points more when buying E-Points through Moneybookers or Paypal (see "My account" page), which nearly cancels the main rake !

Also it is now possible to win E-Points by becoming an affiliate & helping to promote FICGS... All details in "My account" page : For each new member refered by your link on the web, you'll be given E-Points (now 0,5 per member)... Of course urls and new members are verified, but anyway it is quite easy to reach the 10 E-Points silver ticket !

There could be E-Points prizes for free tournaments (class SM & class M) soon...


It is also possible to post your websites in FICGS directory :

http://www.ficgs.com/directory.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-06 18:10:22)
Chinese rules

Yes, we're still using Chinese rules :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#go

By the way I can't see any reason why it could change in future, I'm just wondering why other rules (less interesting) exist !?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-09 04:48:24)
Nodes per second

Well, game 2 was a draw, game 3 was a win for Deep Junior...

"Deep Fritz is running on an eight-core machine and searching 13-14 million nodes per second, reaching a search depth of 20-21 ply. Deep Junior is employing the latest Intel Server technology with 16 cores. The program is running at 24 million nodes per second and consistantly reaching search depths of 24 ply."

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3916

Not bad in such a time control : 75 min + 10 sec per move... but does it mean anything to run two engines on two different computers !??


Graham Cridland    (2007-06-11 18:03:56)
Pirc in Correspondence

Sounds like a good book. Still, I won't buy it, for the simple reason that the Pirc isn't much fun for Black. There are several simple ways for White to get a comfortable advantage, even without a lot of theory. In Correspondence I'd think the problem was worse, since it's harder to arrange tactical accidents for your opponent (sort of the point of the Pirc). I guess the point is that the Pirc isn't supertheory, so you can get dynamic positions without playing the Sicilian. But I'd rather (especially in correspondence) have an extra central pawn than a less explored position, wouldn't you?


Don Groves    (2007-06-13 09:22:01)
Rating lists for established players

I agree with this also. Either that or remove inactive players from the current lists. If a person wants to establish an FICGS rating, let them play some FICGS games!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-13 14:48:38)
Schachfeld on Chessbase

I just received an email from Schachfeld forum about Chessbase. Even if I don't understand a single German word, it seems to me that's not very positive...

There was a link to this thread :

http://www.schachfeld.de/f89/chessbase-4141


Anyone to enlighten this discussion ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-14 18:14:03)
Rybka 2.3.2

Just after President's cup "Ultimate computer challenge" finished, Vasik Rajlich threw a new Rybka 2.3.2 in the chess engines arena... (partly explains the $100,000 challenge to Ilyumzhinov a few weeks ago)

Once more, Rybka 2.3.2 seems stronger than her predecessors with indcredible results (blitz time control) against Hiarcs 11.1, Zap chess Zanzibar, Shredder and so on... Maybe +35 elo points compared to Rybka 2.3.1 !

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1264#fp

http://www.rybkachess.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-14 18:20:51)
Rybka 2.3.2 improvements

An interesting thread (readme file) on improvements since Rybka 2.3.1

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1240#fp


Rybka is undoubtly the strongest chess engine, but is it now the best partner to analyze correspondence chess games and the best anti-human engine !? .. Any opinions ?


Hannes Rada    (2007-06-14 18:59:47)
Figlio - Schuster

It's confusing, because at Semifinal 1 we can see: 'Leader: Farit Balabaev' ??


Hannes Rada    (2007-06-14 23:18:43)
Figlio - Schuster

Oh, Thank you Wolfgang. Very complicated ... :-) Or let's say unusual.. . I would prefer a 3 stage round robin tournament based on the famous swiss-system. For me that seems to be a more fair competition.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-15 14:32:49)
Strelka 1.0

Some interesting readings in Talkchess & Rybka forums about this new engine : Strelka 1.0 x32

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=9297

http://216.25.93.108/forum/viewtopic.php?p=117821


http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20BestVersion/rangliste.html


Is Strelka only a joke about Rybka (and a clone of an earlier version) or the 'little arrow' (Strelka in russian) that will catch Rybka in future...

I don't know much about this one but its first ratings are "not bad" ! .. Any informations more ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-15 17:12:39)
Online chess today

A few links to discussions at TCCMB (The Correspondence Chess Message Board) on chess servers nowadays, future of ICCF, correspondence chess [once more] and so on...

http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=105.0

http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=109.0


In the second discussion I tried to answer on the future of correspondence chess & chess engines :

1) Like the 'tour de France', it is impossible to organize a "bicycle race" at chess without doping today IMO. Also there are so many 'products' : Various books, databases, engines, human help.. so it seems to me that it is a non-sense to try to make it like an OTB tournament. Online chess is "motorcycle races" & freestyle, nothing else.

2) The ratio of wins does not decrease much in computer games & advanced chess (blitz), and correspondence chess games will never be all drawn IMO. We just have to follow the horizon line... Engines still have difficulties when there are 32 pieces on the board... Make the position more and more complex & critical, play Benoni structures, East indians and English openings... There will probably be more and more draws but when looking at CC 2500+ games, the ratio is still quite good. The problem at CC is mainly the style of play with humans 'humanly' trying to remain in known positions where they can win and can't lose.

'The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy', 'Opportunities multiply as they are seized' (Sun Tzu)

A solution is to make rules that motivate players to avoid draws, particularly when playing against a higher rated opponent. (ie. the rule for FICGS 8-games matches)

3) We feel that engines play almost perfect chess because of our poor human's level of play (I should say ratings)... But engines & computers have to improve a lot yet - not obvious they can do it in a more or less near future -, the horizon line is not so far, each version of Rybka wins about 30 elo points... We'll see engines at level 3200, 3300 maybe much more... (4000 ?)

4) If too many players have their CC rating between 2750-2800 in future, we can make new rules : Ratings wouldn't be calculated on the basis of each game, but on the basis of ie. 8-games matches... Then strategy would be more important & we would see rating gaps again between the best players...

Finally if I'm completely wrong, play Big Chess ;D


Graham Cridland    (2007-06-15 17:29:55)
Game 11393

Just finished an interesting game in the Scandinavian. Pretty level most of the way, although both sides must have missed some chances. A couple of questions: First, in the final position, what is the evaluation of the endgame after 31 ... Qc8 32 Qe5+ Qc7 33 Qxg7 Rxg7 34 Re8+ Qc8 35 Rxc8 Kxc8 36 Rxg7 (thus far all forced) 36...Rxd4 37 Rh7 Rf4 38 Rxh6 Rxf2 39 Rg6 Rh2 40 h6 (this exact endgame can be reached by other move orders in Cridland-Khayman)? I looked at the ending for a long time, as it seemed to be my only option other than forcing a draw (32 Qe3 Re4 33 Qd2 isn't attractive). But I think it's drawn! White's only plan is bringing the king to g1 to release the back rank, but that gives black time to rush forward with pawns and king on the Queenside. White can get to h7 by Rg8+ Kc7, Rg7+ Kb6, h7 at some point, but then what? It looked so attractive at first.


Graham Cridland    (2007-06-15 19:29:51)
Incidentally...

Perhaps I just have a tiny database (I do), but I think ...0-0-0 may have been a novelty in that position. Most players, it appears, follow Anand-Lautier, Biel 1997, with possibly some advantage for White. ...0-0-0 looks very natural, and seems to make the best of White's slightly disarranged pieces.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-16 02:23:50)
Dead Man's Defense

Ok, that's an interesting topic.. and should be discussed for sure !

Once more, there are 6 pieces on the board and even if it is an obvious win, my engine doesn't say Mate in # moves (so your opponent may not see the mate too).

How to react ? .. No hypocrisy, IMO there's no perfect way to answer this problem. If the DMD doesn't work after tablebases, it will work well before, so players will last the game earlier. Of course it's a way to manage rating and so on... Is it really possible to avoid this ?

Any suggestions ?


Be patient anyway... :)


Dirk Ghysens    (2007-06-16 04:06:23)
Not "dead man's defense"

This is not a case of dead man's defense, since the game started less than 20 days ago and they are at move 86. From international postal games I remember waiting more than 20 days for my opponent's 1st move. While it is allowed, certainly nobody can be obliged to consult 6 men tablebases. I'd also like to point out that the FIDE rules (which are mentioned in the FICGS rules) forbid a player to make disturbing remarks, and that a game cannot end by requesting your opponent to resign. Also posting such comments about ongoing games, trying to discredit the opponent, is unethical. The complainer should forfeit the game.


Mircea Hrubaru    (2007-06-16 14:12:43)
More on Strelka

Hello all, Well, it seems that all the fuss on wether Strelka is a clone has ended. Strela by Yuri Ostripov (St. Petersburg, Russia) is his original work and this was strongly tested by trustful persons in computerchess. Yet its status (a very materialistic engine, with very few endgame knowledge) makes this engine a very goo future hope. Yuri is currently improving Strelka so we must expect spectacular progress very soon (at least I hope that). Regards, Mircea


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-16 15:00:35)
Tablebases

I agree, this is not a case of law! ...but, if a player is able to playing chess on so high level (as he did!) without any help of engines/tablebases, then would be no problem for him, to catch the hopeless! Of course, a player playing without chess knowledge and just missing at the end the right tablebases will not catch the situation until his tool will get it. Anyway I have to wait - and I will do it!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-16 15:45:46)
FICGS 3.0 , novelties & advanced chess

Dear chessfriends, the new FICGS version is installed :) ... Improvements :


- New random design (see preferences) after each login, great IMO :)

- Correspondence chess established, preliminary & complete rating lists (user mode)

- Big chess rating list
- http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_big_chess
- Rated big chess tournaments (no more unrated)

- Advanced ches rating list
- http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_advanced_chess
- Rated advanced chess tournaments (money blitz & lightning games)

- New advanced chess games category : CHESS MONEY BRONZE (entry fee 0,2 E-Point)

Advanced chess games are chess games played at Lightning (30 minutes + 1 minute / move) or Blitz (2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves) time control. Computer assistance is encouraged. See rating rules for advanced chess, everyone gets a rating (first estimated from your correspondence chess rating) after you played your first game.

Every member now has 2 free E-Points to play 10 free CHESS MONEY BRONZE (advanced chess) games. Consequently the FICGS advanced chess server is not free of charge after this free trial.


This is a major improvement, so there will be some adjustments during the next days, particularly to reorganize money tournaments.

Feel free if you have any comment or suggestion...


Have good games :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-16 15:56:50)
Chess tournaments with an entry fee

All chess tournaments with an entry fee are now RATED (also 2 games matches), but thematic tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-16 22:00:18)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU

Hello to all.

I'm glad to announce a new match between chess servers, that should start in about 10 days to 2 weeks. The previous match was FICGS vs. GAMEKNOT (we lost :))

The opponent is the russian server - http://www.igame.ru , an opportunity to meet new chessfriends from eastern countries :)

Here is the agreement :


1. Teams should consist of 25 players maximum (an exact number should be agreed later);
2. Number of games on each board equals 2 (one for White and one for Black);
3. Time control is 30 days + 3 days/move;
4. Leaves are provided, 30 days/year;
5. The match is played on www.ficgs.com;
6. Start date of the match should be agreed by both sides after squads are completed;
7. ICCF rules of play are applied.


In this match chess engines are allowed, it goes without saying we need a strong correspondence chess team, but anyone who wish to play may email me (or use the 'message to webmaster' form in "My account"), or just respond to this post.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-17 15:34:20)
Swiss tournaments

Hi Dan, I think I'll add an active players list soon...

About the swiss tournaments, I'm thinking about such advanced chess tournaments, but it would be hard to organize a correspondence chess tourney with the swiss system... (the rounds can't be played at the same time)

I'm to completely change the waiting lists structure for big chess & money tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-18 05:41:30)
New update !

"Tournaments" page and waiting lists have been completely re-organized by time control ! (more coherent and clear IMO)


Also a new rating list : Active players list.

- Active players list displays players who connected during the last 2 months... Right now almost 700 of 2100 which is quite good IMO :)

- Preliminary rating list now displays players who finished at least 1 rated game, less than 9 rated games and who connected during the last 2 years. (which is much more interesting)


At last, the rating rules for advanced chess (blitz & lightning) have been improved. Now a fair performance bonus for Black, see rules :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_advanced_chess


And now, I'm going to sleep... Good night everyone :)


Don Groves    (2007-06-18 08:24:45)
New Go rating lists, please

Hi Thibault. The new rating lists are nice! I hope you can find the time to extend them to Go as well as Chess :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-18 15:23:11)
Rybka is world champion !

Rybka is the new World Computer Chess Champion, with the score of 10 out of 11. Congratulations to Vasik Rajlich and Rybka team !

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/news_item.php?id=25


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-18 17:02:08)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU

Hello Thibauld, You can surely count on me, in case you might need a guy rated -2300 in your team. Anyways, good luck to you in the upcoming match. I know a lot of the igame team players; it's true that they are pretty strong, but they are as much arrogant and highbrow about their chess skills. It might stand them in bad stead in the long run. Lol!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-18 20:50:23)
Big chess theory : "Queens opening"

The first rated Big Chess tournament started a few days ago... I like this game more and more, no theory, no databases, no chess engines, many strategies & many queens captured already ;)

Every opening seems ok, we still don't know if taking pawns with the queen during the first moves is worth something or not, the value of the pieces is quite unpredictable... Many players now play 1.Nh4 to threaten 2.Qo7 then 3.Qc7 if needed, winning a pawn. What is the best response if you want to keep the same material ? .. Anyway that's very interesting to see a side with 1 or 2 pawns more, giving some rooks activity to the opponent.. Still looks like a draw theorically.

My main line is : 1.Nh4 Nh13 2.Qo7 No14 3.Qc7 Ql13

Any other suggestion ?


See Big Chess waiting list in Chess Special Tournaments.


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-07-12 18:24:02)
game 8029

Responded in international chat, but it is rather cumberson. My thoughts. White still has 10 days on his clock, so I would think he has the right to slow play it here. In addition white has winning chances, that should be considered. Lastly if you do adjudicate it Thibault I guess you would award a draw. If white is holding up progress it would seem to me the fault is not his but in the selection of match time controls. White has every right to expect to use all of his clock, do you not agree Thibault. :) Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-18 22:09:02)
Shredder is world champion... too !

It seems Shredder won the blitz tournament (few games also) ahead of Rybka !

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/tournament.php?id=177


Well, why not :)


Viktor Savinov    (2007-06-19 15:34:04)
GM_FICGS__CHESS__RAPID

GM_FICGS__CHESS__RAPID (type : rated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move) entry fee : 100 , prize : 894 Let's play in such structure: Savinov, Viktor; Atalik, Suat; Balabaev, Farit; Figlio, Gino; Sumets, Andrey; de Vassal, Thibault; Vovk, Andrey; Schuster, Peter; +1


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-20 03:38:27)
Chessbase

Chessbase made a full report on the 15th ICGA WCCC and Rybka's victory, despite half their leading programs did not even participate.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3936

Congratulations to them, that's fair play :)


Don Groves    (2007-06-20 09:42:19)
Go rating lists

An active players list for Go would be excellent, Thibault. There are so many inactive players at some ratings that it takes a few "page downs" to get through them all ;-)


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-20 16:34:00)
Hello Thibault and all!

First of all, thanx for letting me defend the colours of FICGS Team. Oh, no, no spies on the parts the Russian players in our team. We will play fair and at our strongest. And I want to warn you that the IGAME team is really pretty strong and made of tough titled Russian players: GM, IM or GM, although they didn't feel like exposing their correct data or rating. You know, they feel they can win that match, on the one hand, and want to obtain some advantage in case we underestimate their chess strength, on the other hand. After all, honesty is not their best feature, alas. So be on guard, folks! The foe is at our gateway! Lol! Anyways, I want this match to be a fair play one and run with the ICCF motto: Amici sumus! (We are friends!). Good luck to anyone and interesting and exciting games to you! Remember, this match is a good point to win new friends over the globe behind the game of correspondence chess! Play at your strongest but bear in mind your match opponents are likely your partners in chess masterpieces than bitterest enemies. Be happy and have a fine day!


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-20 16:44:27)
Junior my love!

He reminds me in style of the wonderful chess game knights of the past: Bronstein, Tal, Kasparov and the present: Shirov, Morozevich. Are brilliance of tactics and sacrificial chess more precious than cool and pitiless tecnique skills? Wait and see!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-20 22:54:33)
Internet chess

Well, the discussion with Tryfon Gavriel continues at TCCMB. As I had to explain the way I make FICGS, I copy my responses here :

http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=109.15


Hello again Tryfon !

That's a very interesting discussion...

Actually I have to explain FICGS in its whole to respond :) .. To be continued for sure..

While registering a new member wrote to me a few months ago "Thanks for creating this ultimate chess challenge" or so... That's exactly what I try to do, mostly with the FICGS championship knockout & round-robin rules... Players just want challenge, that's the only assumption I start with, so I try to create interesting challenges. About the intellectual part, you're right but I'm quite sure that top level correspondence chess players still consider their game as an intellectual challenge, much more than a brute force or computer skills one. That's not the case for Advanced chess with fast time controls.

Let's take a look at the bicycle races again... The "Tour de France" is dying IMO.. because everyone understood we "don't know" if the champion is ok.. If doping was allowed (it would be a scandal for health of course), I'm sure the interest would raise again ! I think it is the same for chess & for everything else... The "Tour de France" syndrom happened in Elista with the match Kramnik vs. Topalov... It will have consequences. We need champions and we want true champions, every means are ok for this ! .. So the "engines allowed" rule is the only one possible or reasonable in my opinion.

Of course, chess & correspondence chess are changing, because these "walls" are nearer & nearer... maybe chess will die, maybe not.. The main problem is that in 1997, a super computer became World Champion... this year a "simple" computer Deep Fritz became world champion, soon Rybka on a cellular phone... :) Who is really interested to be a champion in "human category" ? FIDE world chess championship will continue to progressively lose its interest IMO...

Correspondence chess is just starting to grow in popularity and is told to be dying already. Surely correspondence chess will ask more & more time at a high level to win a few points, but it is possible to create more challenge by ie. changing the rating rules (the "design" of Elo rating system will become a problem).. Then, if it is not enough, we'll look for other challenges... It's told for years that Go (Weiqi) will replace chess in western countries... why not Big chess as the "brain only" game if there can't be doping in it.. just trying, as there's no other solution :)

A word about Poker of course, as it's probably the fastest growing game in popularity : IMO this game is at a stade like chess in year 1900, but the same problem will happen, even quicker. At a high level the game will be just more and more boring (if you wish to win real money) or chancy (in a wch tournament), or you'll have to always find weak players (well, not very challenging).

About the simultaneous exhibition against Alekhine or Capablanca, I'm not sure at all they would crush everyone at our chess servers, they are undoubtly more talented than all of us, but I feel it wouldn't be enough in all cases to win against correspondence chess style of play & knowledge accumulated for 50 years... A few players rated OTB 2000-2200 could draw against them IMO...

At last, yes I'm a fan of Sun Tzu's "The art of war" :) .. I strongly believe that correspondence chess will not die in the next few years because players will follow its principles more and more, as the only way to win ! .. Big chess follows the same principles... and Go is the most challenging game because of it too !

Tryfon, I'm not sure that we're opposite in our vision of chess ! .. Our servers have obviousy different goals, nothing more.. I do enjoy playing mad blitz games without chess engines... I just believe that the future of internet chess is "serious (engines allowed, rated) correspondence chess" on one hand and "human chess for fun (no engines, unrated)" on the other hand... The other ways look like nonsense to me.

I hope it responds.


Best wishes, Thibault


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-21 08:13:31)
Nick, your stand is shared!

Jo, Nicky! Thanx for your comment. It's always nice to be appreciated.:) Yeah, I believe tha match gonna be very interesting and breath-taking, but the fair play concern should be the priority. No insult, no arrogance, but high esteem for a chess friend all the way along! Cheers, Alex


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-21 08:31:01)
Salut, Thibault!

Je crois que les memebres de notre equippes doit ordonnees par les ratings. De cette facons nous pourrons tenir le principe de bonne guerre. Salutations amicales, Sacha


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-21 08:46:21)
The rating principle is a must

Hi, mates! I sincerely believe the rating principle should be a concern when arranging the team members in a match challenge. That way we would provide for the fair play principle. It doesn't make any sense to try gaining cheap wins. Remember, honesty is the best policy. Cheers, Alex


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-21 15:21:45)
Ratings

Yes, actually I just wanted to order the first players by their future rating. Wolfgang has made a great performance these last 2 months (future rating 2544) :

http://www.ficgs.com/players/utesch_wolfgang/history.html


Salut Sacha-Alexander :) .. C'est agréable de lire du français venu d'aussi loin ! J'avais quelques notions de russe il y a longtemps mais j'ai oublié depuis :/ .. A bientôt !


Dan Rotaru    (2007-06-22 00:41:00)
Lightning and Blitz Time Controls

I am proposing the following idea to solve the problem of Lightning and Blitz Time Controls: the first person who signs up should be able to choose a date and time when the game should start (use server time to avoid confusion). The player who accepts the challenge should accept that he has to logon and play the game at the established date and time. Of course any of them can cancel the game or ask for a new date and time if for any reason they cannot play.


Denis Stork    (2007-06-22 10:07:59)
Donald Duck :)

I get your point. But I'm Stork on iGame as well as some other sites. So if someone interested in my past games he/she can easily look through them. I don't think Donald Duck has any finished games statistics. :) BTW, as I see, FICGS team has adopted some iGame players, so it's gonna be "FICGS+iGame vs. iGame" match. It's just a joke. lol :)


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-22 14:09:17)
Russian translation

As it appears, Mike has already done the Russian translation. Of course, some purely cosmetic improvements could be made to the Russian version but do they need to de done? It's not that bad and gives a good idea of the website and its content. So I think we can leave it at that. Cheers, Alex


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-22 14:49:55)
Ukrainian

As to the Ukranian version, I can be of no help here. :) Sure, Andrew Sumets is the right guy to do that, should he feels that way. You can ask him for contribution. As to the rest of the missing versions, I've no idea who can take trouble to do them. :) Cheers, Alex


Garvin Gray    (2007-06-22 16:00:54)
not happy


Got to admit, I am not pleased at the prospect of missing out on a game representing ficgs because some players have suddenly signed up from igame and are going to attempt to represent ficgs.

I think the ficgs regulars should be first picked and if there are any spots left over, they are filled with the other siters



Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-22 16:46:10)
Garvin, I side with you

Thibault, I think there is some logics in his comment. That's true that good traditions should be kept; hence, regular members should be given the priority to play vs. the Russians. Of course, you will make the final decision and'll have to balance between the strongest team players' list and respect for traditions, but I'm with Garvin about the issue. Hell, what a puzzle you're now having to guess.:)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-22 20:58:23)
About real names...

Ok, a few words about real names :

While registering, using your real name is really appreciated and helps to build this friendly atmosphere, not using your real name is tolerated if you don't abuse of it...

... but it is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to use dictators or any other famous people names !

If you feel concerned or notice such a name I wouldn't have noticed in the rating lists, please warn me through the message form in "My account" or by email.

Thanks in advance.


Michael Aigner    (2007-06-22 21:27:50)
Re: Rybka's strength at CC time controls

I think you are right with your Elo approximation (2200 to 2300). There is just a little problem. In the case everybody would know he/she is playing against the latest Rybka version this would be a big problem for the program. In this case Rybka should loose almost every game because everybody would know Rybkas response to any move and could build wonderful traps. Did you hear about the so called "Planetenmatch" (match of the planets) where correspondence Chess GM Arno Nickel played against several Programms of unknown identity (the alias was the name of a planet). I think the engines had 24 hours per move and no chance - a desaster for the programs. That was of course before Rybka appeared, on the other hand he won also against Hydra!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-22 22:35:34)
GM Arno Nickel vs. engines

I heard about this match (that happened on the Chessfriend server if I remember well)... but it seems that actually the engines won 3,5 - 2,5 ! .. A quite surprising result. Hydra was everything but designed to play at correspondence chess time controls, so let's wait for a more interesting experience, most probably with Rybka.


Glen D. Shields    (2007-06-23 00:14:24)
Chess Engine Strength

Thibault - I've been following the TCCMB discussion. I think it's impossible to answer the question what rating Rybka can achieve under the uncontrolled circumstances we play. If Rybka were playing only against humans, it would achieve a 2600+ rating. Since it plays mostly against itself and other top engines (with little human intervention), the typical results are win a few games, lose a few games and draw a lot.

Since tournaments are mostly set up so that players face opponents with similar ratings, a 2220 rated player using Rybka enters a tournament against other 2200 players. That player wins a few games, loses a few, draws a lot and leaves the tournament at approximately 2200. We conclude from that pattern that Rybka can achieve a 2200 rating.

Conversely, a player (like Uri Blass) who enters tournaments at 2600 and plays other 2600 rated opponents using Rybka wins a few games, loses a few games and draws a lot. He leaves the tournament rated approximately 2600. We conclude for that situation Rybka is rated 2600.

IMHO, it is impossible to answer the Rybka rating question under our typical tournament circumstances.

I think an even better question than worrying about Rybka's strength is "does anyone REALLY enjoy CC anymore?" Today's CC's is a race to buy the fastest hardware and make sure SSDF's top rated programs are installed. I'm playing beginners who can't explain what "en passant" is, but by parroting Rybka they compete in top tournaments and claim to hold titles that once upon a time had to be earned through hard work. After passing through the opening, it doesn't take much effort to figure out what program your opponent is using. At that point one can predict with high probablitlty every move your opponent will make for the rest of the game. Rarely do I see a move that I can can beat. The games are boring and pedictable. Those blunders and surprises that we once wrote funny stories about are long gone. IMO so is the fun.

Sorry to sound so "pessimistic," but until these problems are addressed and the fun is restored I find it just as easy to play against my computer. I can play at my pace, chose the engine I want to play, and unless my computer crashes I no longer have to worry about DMD :-)

Thanks for such a well run place to play chess. You do a great job maintaining it.

My best,

Glen


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-23 01:20:45)
2 Ivan Poddubnyi

Hello Ivan :)

You are understood in a correct way ! .. Only rules aren't. As I said to Sergey while discussing the match, there's no problem with nicknames, as long as it is "a" real name, not a famous name !

Of course you can understand that I can't register ie. Iosif Stalin or Andrei Chikatilo ;) .. But any "common" russian name is ok.


In example, your first name is ok, your last name is ok, but both could have been avoided :)

Best wishes, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-23 06:06:29)
Chess Engine Strength

Hello Glen !

I see your point, that's quite true and a consequence is what I called at TCCMB "the extensive nature of elo rating", however rating rules are more dynamic at FICGS.. So, let's say Rybka playing the FICGS championship against players of all kinds of ratings in the round-robin cycle... Anyway 2200 is only my feeling.

I understand your views about "rybka" [correspondence] chess nowadays, even if I don't agree with it completely. I saw some of your CC games played at IECG, and it looks much more like 'good old' chess with some unusual and beautiful tactical openings than typical 'correspondence computer chess' nowadays. I do believe there will be a place in the next CC years for more weird openings like bird, king's gambit, english... Also take a look at Peter Schuster and Wladyslav Krol games here !? .. Nothing boring with them, chess engine or not :)

Also advanced chess games with fast time controls could be quite interesting to watch in future as a way to see granmaster games with chess engines avoiding blunders 'only' (ok a bit more). We don't know exactly the human part in it, but draws won't be the rule for sure.

What is "boring" at correspondence chess (not new) is that achieving a top rating take a long... very long time ! .. But this is a great challenge yet IMO.

At last, thanks for you kind words :)


Best, Thibault


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-06-23 06:32:15)
Between humans...

... games must be too. But I can't find them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-23 06:54:16)
Nicknames

A few words about real names, asked at registration :

While registering, using your real name is really appreciated and helps to build this friendly atmosphere, not using your real name is tolerated if you don't abuse of it...

... but it is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to use dictators or any other famous people names !

If you feel concerned or notice such a name I wouldn't have noticed in the rating lists, please warn me through the message form in "My account" or by email.

Thanks in advance.


Michael Aigner    (2007-06-23 12:55:32)
Rybka 2.3.2a would!

Hi! Rybka follws the mentioned game Motley -Anand but finds an improvement at move 24. 24. Bh5 Qf5 26. Bxg7 with an unclear (IMO, according to Rybka equal position. it could follow Nc5 (Kxg7 26.Rf1) 26. Rxd8+ Kxd8 27.Kd6 Kd3+ 28.cxd Qa5+ 29.Ke2 Kxg7 still unclear, but in an otb game i would shourly prefer to play white. I can imagine when you look deeper in the position after Bh5 you might find a win for white - or lets say a variation in which it is almost not possible for black to defend in an otb game even when the objective evaluation says the position is equal. This could be the reason why Re8 is prefered by strong human GMs.


Nick Burrows    (2007-06-23 14:47:15)
player research

I tried to check player histories on igame as suggested, however the site seems to be entirely in Russian, and so i failed.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-23 17:54:20)
Names

I hope our russian friends will remember their real names by themselves until our match will begin.


Ivan Sukhov    (2007-06-23 16:14:30)
I am Ivan Sukhov now! :-)

People know me as Mobutu Sese Seco and Ivan Poddubnyi. A litle problem: why can't I find myself in the rating-list?


Sergey Pligin    (2007-06-23 19:18:53)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU

Dear chessfriends! My name is Sergey Pligin and I am the co-organizer of this match, representing igame.ru. Originally this match was planned as a friendly rivalry of 2 servers which are igame and FIGCS. The 1st one is Russian, the 2nd one is western. The main idea was to make new foreign friends. This match caused a big avalanche of interest at our server. Unfortunately, not each player can play this match for the teams consist of 25 players only. Some players of igame who are not in have decided to play for your team. I don’t know their motives, but it is their right to play for any team they are willing to play for. Their honest play is the main item to be discussed. On the other hand, several permanent players of the FIGCS have lost an opportunity to participate in this match, as, for instance, was pointed out by Mr. Garvin Gray. I sincerely wish to organize this friendly match with no misunderstanding and beg you to pay attention to Russian players whom you’d like to be in your team.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-23 19:27:53)
Startdate

Hello Sergey and thanks for this presentation :)

The startdate of the match has been decided : 2007 june 27, Wednesday.

It has been also decided, for more fun and to favourize meetings between players from different parts of the world, that russian players just coming from Igame.ru and russian forums these last days couldn't play for FICGS team. I would like to thank them anyway, I'm sorry about that but that's the way this friendly match was thought first.

All the best to IGAME.RU team and good luck :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-23 19:39:41)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU

Actually, I think that only a few players from russian forums registered with a nickname... They still can change their mind, it will be very appreciated, but anyway.. their choice.

If it is a problem for some players, I can organize tables so that they play surely against a player who uses his real name.


Sergey Pligin    (2007-06-23 20:18:55)
Who is Viktor Savinov?

Mister Savinov Viktor has doubted my surname is real. It is not true, I can easily prove it. I am playing Mr. Schuster Peter in one ICCF event. The latest moves, which are now invisible for public, are 46.Rb6 Kf8. Peter will understand me. If there is any need I can show the full score of this game.


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Pekka I. Turakainen    (2007-06-24 06:17:11)
One variant of BIG CHESS

For one variant of big chess, see http://apollo13.wippiespace.com/doublechess.html ________________________________ Good thing about this version is that it is faster than DeVassal's Big Chess, and that it can be played with two normal chess boards. From the rest I'm not at all sure of...suggestions for improvements?


Viktor Savinov    (2007-06-24 01:03:18)
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Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-24 01:35:19)
Reminder : Rules !

11. General rules - 11.1. Netiquette : "No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit."


Thanks everyone not to provocate or insult other players anymore !


Sergey warned me before the match that some players from Igame.ru wouldn't like to play under their real names, I said they could register with other names (not famous names), a few players did it, this is not so important IMO.

Players who absolutely want to play in this match against players using their real name can send me a private message and I'll arrange that.


Thanks in advance :)


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-24 07:12:04)
Hello, chess friends!

Yeah, I've read the polemics, but don't feel like doing that, coz whatever I say would be misinterpreted by Serge & Co. Lol! I've got nothing to do with IGAME now. I've left it forever and explained the reasons behind my move on the IGAME forum. Thibault, I do respect your decision that only western-based FICGS players join your team for the match. I thaink, that is quite right to do in the current situation. Cheers, Alex


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-24 09:55:59)
Hello, Garvin!

Nope, that's only half-truth. I've no idea of the others' motivation but my signing-up on here has nothing to do with an attempt to play versus the IGAME team. The reasons were somewhat different. I didn't come here solely to play in that match, I just love the friendly atmosphere here on FICGS. Cheers, Alex


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-24 14:39:20)
suggestion

Thanks for suggestion Garvin. A problem is the swiss tournament will occur on a particular day and will take about 6 hours.

I think it will take some time before players be interested to play fast time controls anyway, and I'll probably have to improve some things yet.


Reminder : Everyone starts with 2 E-Points and can play 20 bronze lightning games for free.


Albert Popov    (2007-06-25 07:20:58)
Using nicknames or fake names

I presume, it's disgusting to use nicknames or fake names in a friendly match. I find it impossible to shake hands or salute people who hide themselves behind nicknames or fake names. That's not fair play and if it takes place, I'm not into it! It runs counter to the ICCF rules of conduct. Amici sumus! Albert


Andrey Sumets    (2007-06-25 08:20:09)
subject

As far as I understood, it will be only a friendly match between two servers, one of which (ours) is not official. Thus I don't see the reasons why our players can't play under those names which they will find necessary. On igame.ru I also play under an assumed name, however it does not cause any discussions or any other problems from other participants. Moreover, if the person will name Donald Duck or I_can't_play, their skills and opportunity won't change. So considering the friendly status of this match I do not see the reasons to make great problem from this matter.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2007-06-25 08:34:42)
Using nicknames or fake names

A small suggestion, I do not mind the members of the other team to use nicknames, as long as we can access their past games and possible their real names. Can that be achieved?


Sergey Pligin    (2007-06-25 10:13:05)
to Wolfgang Utesch

Wolfgang, it is a pity such a strong player as you are resigns playing this match for the reason you are giving up this opportunity is insignificant, IMO. Several players of our team use nicknames, but not all of them. You may play vs me. I am expected to play on 3rd or 4th board. My games are available on ICCF web server. I hope you will change your mind and play FICGS team. Best regards, Sergey


Albert H. Alberts    (2007-06-25 14:48:57)
Deep Fritz vs. Deep Junior

FICGS: Junior won over Fritz Elista 2007. Very sharp but correct remark by M.Aigner: people that bought Fritz will now want to have Junior too the FIDE-approved champ by K. Ilyumzinov= ICGA=FIDE=CHESSBASE=FRITZ(=Junior?). However: he future champ will be the program with the best BOOK with sharp novelties. The future world tournament champ will be the one who knows/WROTE this book. It is like in cycling: you can have a great "bike" (chess engine) but to win the Tour the France you still have to peddle. That champ/novelty finder/writer/head player can be one and the same person. Great news for the sport I think.The new "Fischer" will come. Albert H.Alberts, www.howtofoolfritz.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-25 15:25:58)
Ficgs vs Igame.ru

Undoubtly the most replied in this forum :)

I think that's not so important matter. A few IGAME.RU players registered with other names and were honest by admitting it. Of course a few players here used nicknames before that, that's not a big deal and that's internet chess. The only way to be sure (actually that's wrong, I saw some cases a long time ago in team championships) of your opponent's identity is to play over the board.

Finally, if some players in IGAME.RU team use nicknames, let's say that's a small advantage we give to them :) .. On the other hand, we play at home !

Not a big deal... really.


Amici sumus !


Garvin Gray    (2007-06-25 15:29:23)
to Wolfgang Utesch


Wolfgang,

Please read below regarding your participation and this issue of nicknames.

Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-24 01:35:19) Players who absolutely want to play in this match against players using their real name can send me a private message and I'll arrange that.

Continuing on with my comment- This means that since you have a real issue playing against someone using just a nickname, Thibault de Vassal will pair you against someone using their real name.

This seems a fair compromise to me.
By the way, I would like to play against someone using their real name as well.


Robert Mueller    (2007-06-25 16:57:08)
Ficgs vs Igame.ru

With all the discussion about nicknames we seem to be a bit off topic: when does the match start and who is playing?


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-25 17:48:40)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU

Let me explain – I don’t want to have any exception rules for me! It’s a principle thing: about 35 years ago I played some few correspondence chess tournaments by postcard (naturally with my real name). After a long period of abstinence (since 1999) I played correspondence chess by Email (IECG/Playchess-Server and ICCF/ICCF-Webserver) – new transport medium but with old real name. So everybody can see my chess history: I’m standing (with my real name) to all my many bad or neutral games as same as to my some very good chess performances. I’ve always used tools (first just books and later also engines), but I’ve always played my games alone (without help by any other person). I think there are many other players with FICGS (i.e. Peter Schuster, Hannes Rada, Harry Ingersol or others more) who have done it similar like me. In contrast, if DONALD DUCK wins and has played a very good game, he likes it to say his real name, if he loses or has played poorly, he is just staying DONALD DUCK. He wouldn’t have to fear to disgrace himself, but there is a real chance for him to gleam! Sorry, but this is not my idea from a friendly match between two serious teams.


Garvin Gray    (2007-06-25 18:53:46)
next rating list


Robert Mueller (2007-06-25 16:57:08) Ficgs vs Igame.ru With all the discussion about nicknames we seem to be a bit off topic: when does the match start and who is playing?

I believe that the ficgs team will be confirmed once the new rating list is released on July 1st.



Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-26 04:25:48)
Recently Completed Games

If you did not uncheck the email notification box in Preferences, public comments written by your opponents are sent to you by email, so you can't miss it.

Anyway, here is a way to see your games :

http://www.ficgs.com/players/tamayo_thomas/games.html


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-26 11:17:01)
Topalov issue

The fact is the tourney in question has been arranged and promoted by Ch.Henzel, Kramnik's manager, so it stands to reason that Topalov is a persona non grata for them. Likewise, Kramnik was a persona non grata in the Sofia tourney. Cheers, Alexander


Nick Burrows    (2007-06-26 14:23:32)
vacation

1 month seems fine to me. most players seem to build time in their games anyway, so if they are away some days over their allocation it should very rarely cause them damage.


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-06-26 15:08:05)
re: nicknames

Now, I might not be a high rated player here, but here's my take on the situation.

What some here don't seem to realise is that one can stand by his results or whatever with his nickname.

On this site I use my real name, but that is only becouse of the atmosphere here. However, on the rest of the Internet i tend to use nicknames, and when I say or do something under a such nickname I stand by my actions with the reputation of that nickname.

This goes to a point where my most commonly used nickname is used almost interchangebly with my real name IRL. BTW, I have friends who can say the same.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-26 16:06:08)
Ratings

The discussion of ratings is very problematic. Ratings on different sites are depending on different premises. What entry level was accepted? How long did you playing there – how often? How much thinking time did you spent per move? Is the basic rating you earned over years to be caused by old tournaments with postcards (maybe without any help of engines – and your opponents did it the same way)? How much care did you spent ratings (i.e. Norm tournaments?!)? Are you a member of the exclusive cycle of an organisation, getting invitations to closed high-level rating tournaments? Engines (also Rybka) are playing own styles and it depends on whether you can play better or worse against their special styles (knowing their potencies and weaknesses). Old fashioned players (independent from their ratings) will have much more problems to win or to hold draw against engines than players which have positioning themselves at actual situation. In my opinion today Rybka alone with one week thinking time per every move without any other help will reach a rating of about 2.400 at FICGS SM-tournament with an average rating of 2.450. In an ICCF anniversary tournament (average rating of about 2.600) same Rybka under same conditions will reach a rating about 2.550. I for myself wouldn’t play longer correspondence chess, if I would have the feeling that any engine is playing better without my command. How long will it still take? My engine handling is not in this way, that I am waiting for longer times which move is offer by the engine. I have own ideas and I’m trying their possibilities, investigating positions in depth over many moves in all directions. But sometimes engines have the better ideas and I have to accept this!


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-26 16:17:44)
nicknames

"What some here don't seem to realise is that one can stand by his results or whatever with his nickname." I have no problem with this statement! Deciding is whether you are willing to disclose your real identity to your oppenent before playing? If yes, absolutely no problem - if no, .... (see above)


Andrey Sumets    (2007-06-26 16:38:31)
Wolfgang

You can easily recognize your opponent by his games on igame.ru because you will be given also his igame's nickname. All of our players have played a lot of games so far. If you have some problems with russian language please tell me your opponent's name and i'll give you link. According to this I don't understand why you want to now REAL name inspite of this person's games?


Miguel Pires    (2007-06-26 18:23:36)
Vacation

Hi, I ask to Thibault to discuss this in the forum because, like Dinesh De Silva have sayed, you can have a some sort of (i don't have a better word) problems that make you postpone your games. In ICCF at any tournament you have 30 days/vacation for ich tournament. My problem is not with the tournaments with 10/40 Days are in the 30+1. In this first 6 months i've a lot of issues to solve (professional and personal thing's) that i've to postpone a lot. Now thing's are more or less calm, but if we have more time or the rules are equal to ICCF my new tournaments can have 30 days, and if i need to postpone now i can't postpone the oldest and the new tournaments because i've not more days. I now that is the rules but i think more time (Like Gamknot) or the same rule like ICCF can help a lot. Another idia is do like (i think) IECG or IECC, that if you need a special live they can give you that (i think if you have someone in the hospital, important biseness to a long period can feet in the "special leave"). Is only my opinion. Best Regard's Miguel Pires


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-26 19:36:51)
Miguel Pires

Sorry, but for my understanding: You are playing actually in 10 tournaments (34 open games) in same time? You just booked in 2 Rapid (!!) tounaments (12 open games) recently? And now you have problems with your time - really amazing.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2007-06-26 21:41:21)
30 days / year is enough

I think 30 days / year is enough.

If you fear that you could get time problems don't play too many and avoid Rapid tournaments. Nobody forces you to enter every waiting list.

And according to Murphy's Law "such things as computers breaking down, computers hit with viruses, business travel commitments, planning a holiday etc." always happen if you have no more vacation.


Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 02:53:26)
Heinz-Georg and Wolfgang and thibault

First I only give my opinion. Second I can't control the start date of the tournements soo i've 2 tournaments that start almost at the same time Third, the point is not if i've to many games, but, in my opinion, if we should have little more time (like in GK) or have the same thing like in ICCF. That's what we are talking in this pool, not any choice of any particular player that gives an opinion, and you don't agree with that and criticises is whay of seeing or conduct thing's Best Regard' Miguel Pires


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-06-27 07:26:44)
Re:

It seems someone is trying to force issues by always trying to be confrontational. Any player who tries to be high & mighty & aggressive is surely unstable. What people like I & Miguel Pires were doing is just making a suggestion & making friendly debate. Maybe there should be a poll to determine if the vacation period should be increased or not. It's all upto Thibault, of course. Whichever way he decides, we as players would accept it in a friendly, calm, peaceful manner, unlike a very few who try to impose their will on matters by thinking they are ALWAYS correct..


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-27 10:31:35)
Rules

Rules are very immportant! For all the same rules. If rules will changed about actual serious problems by a few players, it will be a disadvantage for all other players, which have arranged themselves with the same rules, independent from their own difficulties with that. Maybe sometimes they have thought less time for a single move as they would have wished - maybe they have lost therefore, but they have accepted the rules - that is the game (and that is life also).


Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 10:44:20)
Wolfgang Utesch and rules

Rules against "unreasonableness" is what we need. Rules against pp how atack others and try to create some sort of confrontations only because pp have different idias. That type of persones shuld see their capacity of post in the forum cancel. But that is my opinion. About this pool everyone is free to give their opinion about this thing. For me what thibault decide or the majority of the members is ok. I don't admit is a person that i don't now and i never see more "fat" (Portuguese expression) try to have some sort of confrontation with me about the whay i see or make my decisions on this site. Best Regard's Miguel Pires


Sergey Pligin    (2007-06-27 19:24:46)
Our team

Here is our squad, in accordance of boards:
1. Sumets Andrey, Member # 2137, GM
2. Pljusnin Ivan, Member # 2147
3. Pligin Sergey, Member # 2189
4. Doinikov Owl, Member # 2191
5. Romitsin Nikolay Sergeevich, Member # 2159
6. Vovk Andrey, Member # 2144, IM
7. Yunusov Adkham, Member # 2124
8. Pavlikov Andrey Nikolayevich, Member # 2182
9. Leskiv Miroslav, Member # 2133
10. Domanov Dmitry, Member # 2130
11. Kragujevcanin Stole, Member # 2148
12. Silkin Aleksey, Member # 2198
13. Orlov Sergei, Member # 2207
14. Kim Vladimir, Member # 2139
15. Gerasimov Vladimir, Member # 2190
16. Larin Igor, Member # 2193
17. Zarullin Ivan, Member # 2203
18. Filimonov Evgeny, Member # 2176
19. Pezikov Evgeny, Member # 2174
20. Stork Denis, Member # 2180
21. Mancubov Boris, Member # 2156
22. Ilyuschenko Yury, Member # 2168
23. Prokopenko Alex, Member # 2182
24. Basiliev Iouri, Member # 2205
25. Shpakovsky Alexander, Member # 2185

The following players will play using their real names:
Sumets Andrey GM
Pligin Sergey
Romitsin Nikolay Sergeevich
Vovk Andrey IM
Yunusov Adkham
Pavlikov Andrey Nikolayevich
Leskiv Miroslav
Domanov Dmitry
Silkin Aleksey
Orlov Sergei
Gerasimov Vladimir
Larin Igor
Pezikov Evgeny
Ilyuschenko Yury
Prokopenko Alex
Shpakovsky Alexander


Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 20:58:00)
Thibault de Vassal and others

Men, like i sayd before i only ask a question, if we can have more days, nothing more. The ironie and cynisme, if in a polite whey is ok, not in the other whay. For me what the comunity decide is ok, no problem, like i said i only ask a question, and yes the argument's from some of the persones against the change are very valid. For finish if someone fill offended from what i sayd i appoligies. Best Regard's Miguel PIres


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-27 21:18:36)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU, the games

Hello to all.

The friendly match between FICGS & IGAME.RU teams just started :)

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_IGAME_RU_MATCH.html


I'd like to thank Sergey Pligin for organizing this match and all players who registered to play. I apologize to the players who couldn't play :/ .. 25 boards was not enough this time. To build FICGS team I selected players with the highest ratings but one cause his rating should be clearly >2000 already. Also IM Mark Noble plays at table 6 because his opponent is another FIDE IM.

I wish good games to everyone, this is a great opportunity for us to meet russian chessfriends.

Amici Sumus !


... quote of the day : "Top boards make the show, last ones win matches." :-)


Here are the complete teams :


FICGS :

1. Thibault de Vassal # 1
2. Michael Aigner # 139
3. Peter Schuster SM # 323
4. Janos Helmer # 47
5. Miguel Pires # 83
6. Mark Noble IM # 1991
7. Leszek Tymcio # 2151
8. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff # 142
9. Silviu Nenciulescu # 1319
10. William Taylor # 1232
11. Poulerik Jorgensen # 940
12. Wayne Lowrance # 135
13. Edward Kotlyansky # 1140
14. Christophe Czekaj # 1193
15. Konstantin Dudulec # 1329
16. Robert Mueller # 1233
17. Josef Riha # 157
18. Dan Rotaru # 1394
19. Garvin Gray # 1363
20. Nick Burrows # 1643
21. Vadim Khachaturov # 1078
22. Daniel Khayman # 1032
23. Gaetano Laghetti # 138
24. Alexander Nent # 1411
25. Ilmars Cirulis # 533



IGAME.RU :

1. Sumets Andrey, Member # 2137, GM
2. Pljusnin Ivan, Member # 2147
3. Pligin Sergey, Member # 2189
4. Doinikov Owl, Member # 2191
5. Romitsin Nikolay Sergeevich, Member # 2159
6. Vovk Andrey, Member # 2144, IM
7. Yunusov Adkham, Member # 2124
8. Pavlikov Andrey Nikolayevich, Member # 2157
9. Leskiv Miroslav, Member # 2133
10. Domanov Dmitry, Member # 2130
11. Kragujevcanin Stole, Member # 2148 12. Silkin Aleksey, Member # 2198
13. Orlov Sergei, Member # 2207
14. Kim Vladimir, Member # 2139
15. Gerasimov Vladimir, Member # 2190
16. Larin Igor, Member # 2193
17. Zarullin Ivan, Member # 2203
18. Filimonov Evgeny, Member # 2176
19. Pezikov Evgeny, Member # 2174
20. Stork Denis, Member # 2180
21. Mancubov Boris, Member # 2156
22. Ilyuschenko Yury, Member # 2168
23. Prokopenko Alex, Member # 2182
24. Basiliev Iouri, Member # 2205
25. Shpakovsky Alexander, Member # 2185


Edit : There was a mistake while building the games, I had to make a replacement at board 23.


Dan Rotaru    (2007-06-28 03:30:01)
IGAME team

Apart from Member # can the ratings be revealed for each player: IGAME rating, FIDE / ICCF ratings if available? It would be fair at least to know the strength of our oponents. The rating registered on FICGS for some players is provisional and it doesn't tell anything. IGAME players have free access to this information so it has to be reciprocal.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-28 04:49:33)
Joop van Oosterom, ICCF world champion

Oops, he did it again :)

Dutch GM Joop van Oosterom won the 21st ICCF final ! .. In three participations in ICCF world championship final tournaments, he came 2nd in Final 15 (+8 -1 =6, after GM Timmerman), 1st in Final 18 (+8 =6), 1st in Final 21 (+7 -1 =6).

Joop van Oosterom is also ranked 1st on the ICCF elo list with 2770 (207 games), an enormous achievement for sure !


More about ICCF world championship Final XXI :

http://www.iccf-webchess.com/EventCrossTable.aspx?id=5952


Also congratulations to Arno Nickel for beating the world champion in this tournament (!) .. I'd like much to see the game (is it possible ?)... The "other one" in Final 15 where GM Timmerman beats GM van Oosterom to take the title was very impressive.


Garvin Gray    (2007-06-28 06:10:18)
board orders


Hello,

I have a real problem with the board orders that igame have put in.

Why is a 2200 elo player on board 25 for igame.

I was not aware that this team match was going to be played in this fashion. I thought it was a simple principle that both sides play in roughly rating order.

Not impressed at all!

If igame wants to win that badly that they are playing one of their best players on the bottom board, they can have two wins right now as far as I am concerned.



Ivan Zarullin    (2007-06-28 07:34:24)
correction

a typical participant from our team has played a hundred games on our server. Since Russia has its own title system, the absense of international title can be also confusing. In particular some of chess players consider the fide master title not worth paying money. E.g., GM Korneev has never been fide master.


Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-28 08:35:41)
FICGS Chess World Championship

Hello dear chessfriends, I regret to inform all of you that, due to lack of time because of my involvement in the Russian Team Cup Final and a lot of time needed to analyse my remaining games there, I find it utterly impossible to play in the global championship on this server. I have to make this move reluctantly, but the circumstances are above me. I might return back later when I have more free time. Hopefully, you will understand why I took this decision. Amici sumus! Alexander


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-28 13:40:40)
Thinking in decades of moves

There are many specialists here who are thinking in decades of moves. I mean not the extreme of this, Dinesh, but many other players do it in a moderate way. I accept in principle that it is more effective to use to full capacity of thinking time, because there is a chance, that some players will forfeit in that more time. I think in WCH-Cycle it is much better, because there is no period to control as every move. Perhaps it will be better, if this method can transfused to all other tournaments without changing the average total time for all different types of tournament we have. Just a question.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-28 17:03:48)
Longer time control

Ok ! ... I don't think the 40/+40 days per 10 moves should disappear but true, 40/+4 or 30/+3 days per move could be a good time control, maybe less stressful. Anyway, I'm still thinking about to add a category with longer time controls, maybe 50/+5 or 60/+6 days per move (not before september). Feel free if you have any suggestion.


Robert Mueller    (2007-06-28 17:08:46)
WCH_00002

On a remotely related matter: when will stage 2 of the second WCH start?


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-06-29 18:19:35)
Re:

Thibault is "Emmanuel Hadet" ???!?


Garvin Gray    (2007-06-29 18:51:43)
digging out old thread


I do remember some discussion regarding group sizes for the 3rd wch. I also remember that it was likely that the group sizes will be bigger than the current 7 player used currently.

Please tell us that each group will be 9 or 11 players, to reduce the odds of players tieing for first :)



Amir Bagheri    (2007-06-30 14:02:02)
Newsletter and Blog Recruitment

I am trying to set up a Newsletter. This would be an excellent way to spread news amongst ourselves. This newsletter targets primarily The Chess corner Members however I would like to create a column dedicated to the FICGS Members a bit like a gossip page or anything that you would like to share. This Newsletter will be distributed to all my members and to FICGS Member that wishes to receive it To do so I require help from you all we are actively looking for 1) writters 2) editors 3) researchers 4) Designers To express your interest, please go to www.chesscorner.com and fill up the application form. For those of you wiling to help us please bare in mind that I will create a forum where you could share ideas and opinion it is therefore essential that you register on The Chess Corner. All authors will be acknowleged and credit will be given. If you want to help but reckon that a Newsletter maybe a bit out of your league, we are looking for some enthusiasts to look after the Blog. The Blog Regards Amir Bagheri (GM) PS I welcome all comments http://www.thechesscorner.com http://thechesscorner.blogspot.com/


Amir Bagheri    (2007-06-30 14:29:54)
hi

Yes I have been rather buzy... i hope that FICGS members will relish the possibility to have a column in my Newsletter


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2007-07-01 15:48:37)
Re

These are times of glory, old lines will be refuted, new systems will be invented and the games will be used as examples in the opening books to come, and we will have the right to say " We were there!!!"


Garvin Gray    (2007-07-02 18:12:51)
suggestion for send button


Not really a time control suggestion, but it seems to be the closest related thread.

When playing lightning and blitz games on here, it would be helpful if the send move button was located directly under the game board, instead of having to scroll down quite a bit to send a move.

Having to scroll down when in time trouble can cost a few precious seconds, which adds up to quite a bit when done over many moves.



Marc Lacrosse    (2007-07-02 18:22:50)
Too fast

10+20 is a timing where a strong engine playing alone with a good book is unbeatable.
No time left for creative human added value ...
That's the reason why Freestyle tournaments on Playchess recently evolved from an initial 45 min + 5 sec/move to a slower timing (60 min + 15 sec/move)

I am pretty convinced that at 10 min + 20 sec increment the one with the most powerful computer will win for sure...

Marc

PS for a mean 60 moves game, 10+20 is equivalent to 30 seconds per move.
Freestyle tempo (60+15) gives a mean 75 seconds per move.


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-07-03 13:08:47)
Small board variations

I know that on this site people tend to talk much about large board variants, but, recently I have gained an interest in small board variants.

The reason is simple. They are fun!

I'm interested in the experiences of other members.

I've so far played only Los Alamos Chess. About 30 games. They were simply fun, regardless of winning or loosing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_chess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minichess


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-04 11:21:08)
send button

Quite true... It's a long time I have to think about this problem.

I'll try another display in a while.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-07-04 20:51:20)
Real names

"While registering, using your real name is really appreciated and helps to build this friendly atmosphere .." I would really appreciate it if Thibault would use his real name or at least reveal it. No offence meant but it seems strange to write a statement like the above and then use a nickname.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-07-04 22:31:48)
Re:

Utesch, I think you've solved it. "Thibault de Pierrefeu" seems to be correct.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-06 11:22:37)
Unsolved, definitely + @ Andrew

It seems we forgot the original posts of this sub-discussion :)

Thibault de Vassal is (of course!) my real name... I just said that I played under my director's name [I made movies] in another correspondence chess organization before to play here. I'm quite surprised no-one found it yet :)


Charlie Neil    (2007-07-08 21:50:52)
Link

Thanks and very nice the link is too! There are aa few games which I am watching, (and cheering on the Ficgs team) and of course I can't pass comment on any of them as it is against the rules and would be bad manners.


Thomas Tamayo    (2007-07-10 00:05:19)
I play Real Life games

I mostly play IRL at clubs and tournaments. I need to drive about an hour for a quarterly tournament in Boston. I used to play on KGS, Dragon (PBM), and Little Golem (PBM)... they're all blocked at work now (no lunch playing) and I don't have a lot of free time at home. So I also play a lot at FICGS.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-11 14:29:13)
Norms and titles

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles

.. true, the formula should be fully explained too.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-11 20:41:50)
Re:

My pleasure, Charlie :)

Well, it seems I have too many games again, and I'm probably not alone ! :>


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-07-13 04:48:27)
A certain email chess website.....

Dear chess friends, I want to bring to your attention that there's a certain chess website (which plays only by email) of a certain South American country where the main Arbitor who owns the website cheats and favours certain players in a world championship final. Playing there is at your own risk.

1.He protects certain players by saving them when they even have stepped the time limit twice. (He cunningly sends the game into adjudication etc., instead of dealing with the proof). 2.When requesting that an opponent should provide email proof in certain critical situations, he protects them by refusing that at all times. 3.He blames the persons who make a claim by saying "Don't Be Rude!", instead of taking action against those who clearly break rules. 4.The website keeps popping in and out on the internet, and the website says its under construction most of the time! 5.He does not send monthly reports to players. 6.He does not show finished games. 7.He stays silent for months and says he has lost files due to a virus. 8.He does not include some finished games in some reports. 9.At least 3 other players have already withdrawn from the tourney. 10.He has extended the tourney twice already! obviously trying to favour his favourite playes who are very slow players to climb up in the list. Pathetic!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-13 13:53:11)
A certain email chess website

Hi Dinesh... May I not know this chess website ?!

Maybe a chance to remind to everyone all chess servers & sites which organize a "correspondence chess world championship" ? .. That could help, without naming it :)

ICCF, FICGS, IECG, ... ?


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-07-13 14:31:34)
Re:

In my opinion, the best chess websites include FICGS, IECG & ICCF, all 3 which I enjoy playing in & where I've never had problems regarding tournaments. Lets hear from other players which good chess websites they enjoy playing in & can recommend.


Kevin D. Plant    (2007-07-13 22:15:46)
Chess websites

I like using this site and also www.chessworld.net www.schemingmind.com http://www.chess-videos.com/forum/


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 07:57:53)
Rybka vs. Ehlvest (2nd)

Where is the problem? No men would compete in a run against a car.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 11:51:13)
Rybka vs. Ehlvest (2nd)

Computers and programs (like engines and i.e. cars) are tools for (and from) men, designed to help them, but not really designed to work against them.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 14:20:50)
Quite funny, 3 Wolfgang in WCH2-

... Semifinals (chated by Thibault): Wolfgang von Kempelen - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-14 14:31:34)
Strelka : Rybka clone ?

It seems the issue on whether Strelka is a clone of Rybka 1.0 or not has not ended... An interesting thread about it in Rybka forum, comparing code of both chess engines :

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1655


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 14:36:15)
Quite funny, 3 Wolfgang in WCH2

.. and the forth semi finalist could be Harry Dean Stanton!


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 14:40:22)
Quite funny, 3 Wolfgang in WCH2

Thibault, I don't know who is who but the best must be Wolfgang von Kempelen: He was the first one who used a chess machine!


Hannes Rada    (2007-07-14 17:17:17)
Austrians :-)

Yes and there are 2 Austrian guys in the semifinals :-) Furthermore I know all players, have played against them, except my fellow countryman W. Riemer, who I am afraid did not realize that he is qualified for the semifinal ... :-)


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-07-14 18:37:07)
It is a clone 2.

The following is just one of many close observations. There are so many documentations I would not try to sum them up. :)

The main problem is identical or almost identical analysis both in evaluation and search.

Studying rybka's output in order to improve your evaluation(assuming rybka has better evaluation) make sense but even in that case I do not expect a program to have identical evaluation to rybka even in situations when it does not make sense to have evaluation that is different than 0 as King against king.

Rybka tries to hide her evaluation but not writing output at small depth and this is the reason that I am basically interested in analysis of fortress positions because in fortress positions the evaluation is partially exposed.

It is logical to learn from this experience of analysing fortress position and get evaluation that is more similiar to rybka but having evaluation that is totally identical in more than one case does not make sense and it cannot be an accident and the problem is not only identical evaluation but also identical search in many positions as evidence proved and even if the evaluation is different I can find the same patterns in the score changes.

This can happen only with copying code and it cannot happen without cloning.

The programmer of strelka did not understand rybka's code otherwise he could avoid the same bugs.

Same pattern of drop in the evaluation score when you have a queen. This pattern is also in old strelka.

Why does it happen?

Note that no other program that I know shows drop in evaluation for white by more than 3 pawns.

Strelka's score drops from +- (12.53) in depth 6 to 8.50 in depth 7

Rybka's score drops from 12.34 pawns in depth 4 to 8.37 pawns at depth 5

I find this compelling, if you understand it

Wayne


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 09:19:49)
Austrians

Wow, 2 Austrians in the Semifinals - then no other can take away Austria (at least) to finish third! :-)


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 09:29:04)
Rybka vs. Human

Conversely, computers, or AI in general, are still very primitive with regards to activities that are simple for a four year old to conduct, such as shape and speech recognition. I agree with Utesch, there is no point in losing any sleep over the increasing improvement of computers in chess. We need not be in competition with them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-15 12:25:27)
Invitation in WCH 1 stage 3 round-robin

Hello to all.

As I've been asked, in WCH 1 round-robin final tournament there are 2 players from WCH 1 stage 2 group 3 because it was not possible (at least desirable) to adjudicate game 8029 in its current position (move 36)... So it is not possible to tell who wins the group yet. However if I had to adjudicate this game, it would be a draw so Alberto Gueci would win the tournament. As WCH 1 stage 3 must start now and as I needed one more player to fill the group, according to the rules Francois Caire (due to his position of possible -likely- winner in the tournament and his rating) was invited to solve game 8029 problem.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-15 13:47:31)
Wise decision

Thanks Wolfgang... "as always" may be too much, just doing my possible. I appreciate :)

I have no doubt that there will be some cases where any decision will be unfair when applying rules. Anyway, I'm glad with the current rules, very few problems... So many tournaments, only one TD (Tournament Director). But I'll come back on the issue of a council / board in a few months, I think it's a logical continuation.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 14:55:22)
Rybka vs. Human

Thibault, in my oppinion problem is your definition of intelligence. Is Kasparov really more intelligent than i.e. Jean-Paul Satre (or Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)??? A man like Bobby Fisher was/is showing, that excellent specialised skill (of chess) nothing has to do with enough intelligence for life!


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 15:35:45)
Rybka vs. Human

Well Mr. Utesch, you clearly know nothing at all about Mr. Fischer. His IQ was evaluated at 180, so there is no debate about his intelligence. This has been well documented You seem to be confusing intelligence with social grace or being a good politician.
Also, in addition to his well-known chess accomplishments, Fischer is a published author of several very popular books and inventor of chess variant FischerRandom (or chess 960 if you prefer), as well as an innovative clock. What have you accomplished in comparison?


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 18:24:07)
Rybka vs. Human

I just find it quite amusing how some 1900 chess player with no medical degree feels himself qualified to sum up Fischer in a few sentences with some pop psychology labels.

Also, I don't know what you're trying to prove by mentioning Luther-King, Ghandi, etc. They were famous people who were extremely influential in their time. They were certainly no dummies, but I don't know if they had a 180 IQs.
I would mention people like Tesla, Jung, and Von Braun for examples of extremely intelligent people from the past.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 19:21:37)
Rybka vs. Human

Actually burrows, as usual, you have everything completely backwards. You're the little character here trying to pass yourself off as a DR., not me. If you're going to pretend to be an educated man, you should at least learn how to spell FISCHER. Fischer's IQ has been tested when he was in high school and was in the 180's. I'm not going to hold your hand here, learn how to look something up for yourself for a change.

You're really making it quite obvious to everyone what you are with that silly comment about Fischer merely "winning some games".

And as usual your attention span isn't long enough to remember what we were talking about. It was INTELLIGENCE, not social influence.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-15 19:33:36)
Go ratings

Hello William.

Yes, quite hard to find a design with enough place to display all informations :)

The main problem is it wouldn't be coherent with other games tournaments.


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 19:34:47)
Fishcher

I am low graded. I don't have a degree. I am a little character, pretending to be educated. i can't spell. I need my hand holding. i have no attention span. i make sill comments.
Enough said. How can i possibly have a conversation with someone of such esteemed inelligence as yourself.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 19:45:58)
Rybka vs. Human

"I am low graded. I don't have a degree. I am a little character, pretending to be educated. i can't spell. I need my hand holding. i have no attention span. i make sill comments."

All of those statements are true, and in fact most of them can be proven by the information contained in this thread. The one exception, the low grade, can be confirmed by a simple google search showing all the under 100 bcf (under 1700 uscf).

I wasn't the one trying to prop myself up with alot of psuedo-intellectual psychobabble burrows....you were. I never said a word about myself here so don't start telling lies again. We were discussing Fischer. Unlike you, I don't need to drop pop psych. terms in internet forums to try to impress people. I know what my level of intelligence and education is.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 19:48:18)
Rybka vs. Human

Jason, cool down - I've no problem with your devoutness of IQ definition. You can exercise IQ tests - maybe OTB chess training is also a good way to prepare for IQ tests. A book author isn't always a good writer but his editor! But, what is about social intelligence, intelligence for survival, intelligence for profession/business (beside chess) and so on!


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 19:59:20)
Rybka vs. Human

Wolfgang, YOU cool down. I never specified any "devoutness" to IQ definition but as I said, it appears you're a bit confused as to what IQ is. You seem to think it has something to do with social skills, or other miscellaneous skills. But we've been over this already. You should have caught on by now.

Social "intelligence", survival ability, etc, are examples of skills, not intelligence. According to your logic, or more precisely, your lack of logic, a world-class yo yo expert has an IQ of 180, a world-class rock climber has an IQ of 180, etc. Heck, anyone who is good at anything has an IQ of 180.
Is some of this starting to sink in yet?


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 20:12:13)
Bobby Fischer's IQ

"In previous writings I have cited Fischer's I.Q. as in the range of 180, a very high genius. My source of information is impeccable: a highly regarded political scientist who coincidentally happened to be working in the grade adviser's office at Erasmus Hall - Bobby Fischer's high school in Brooklyn - at the time Fischer was a student there. He had the opportunity to study Fischer's personal records and there is no reason to believe his figure is inaccurate. Some critics have claimed that other teachers at Erasmus Hall at that time remember the figure to be much lower; but who the teachers are and what figures they remember have never been made clear."
The Chess of Bobby Fischer (c) 1975 by Frank Brady

http://bobbyfischer.net/bobby02.html


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 20:29:03)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence

Are there other forms of intellingence independant of having a high IQ? Or are they simply 'skills'?
How about...
1. Linguistic intelligence involving sensitivity to spoken and written language, the ability to learn languages, and the capacity to use language to accomplish certain goals. This intelligence includes the ability to effectively use language to express oneself rhetorically or poetically; and language as a means to remember information. Writers, poets, lawyers and speakers are among those that
2. Logical-mathematical intelligence consisting of the capacity to analyze problems logically, carry out mathematical operations, and investigate issues scientifically. This entails the ability to detect patterns, reason deductively and think logically. This intelligence is most often associated with scientific and mathematical thinking.
3. Musical intelligence involving skill in the performance, composition, and appreciation of musical patterns. It encompasses the capacity to recognize and compose musical pitches, tones, and rhythms.
4. Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence entailing the potential of using one's whole body or parts of the body to solve problems. It is the ability to use mental abilities to coordinate bodily movements.
5. Spatial intelligence involving the potential to recognize and use the patterns of wide space and more confined areas.
6. Interpersonal intelligence is concerned with the capacity to understand the intentions, motivations and desires of other people. It allows people to work effectively with others. Educators, salespeople, religious and political leaders and counsellors all need a well-developed interpersonal intelligence.
7. Intrapersonal intelligence entails the capacity to understand oneself, to appreciate one's feelings, fears and motivations.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 20:45:57)
Hillarious!

This is your "argument"? You copy and paste some drivel where they seem to substitute the word "skill" with "intelligence", or perhaps you did that.
You don't provide any sources or qualifications of the author whatsoever.
This is too entertaining and unbelievable to make up!!



in a statement signed by 52 psychologists, published in the December 13, 1994 Wall Street Journal

"1. Intelligence exists as a very general mental capability involving ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. The brain processes involved are little understood.
2. Intelligence can be measured, and IQ tests measure it well. Nonverbal tests can be used where language skills are weak.
3. IQ tests are not culturally biased.
4. IQ is more strongly related than any other measurable human trait to educational, occupational, economic, and social outcomes. Whatever it is that IQ tests measure, it is very important.
5. Genetics plays a bigger role than environment in intelligence, but environment has a strong effect.
6. Individuals are not born with an unchangeable IQ, but it gradually stabilizes during childhood and changes little thereafter."

I think 52 psychologists might be a bit more qualified than the random blog where you copied and pasted from.


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 20:57:58)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence

I believe that autistic savants or chess geniuses such as Fisher have an exremely advanced logical-mathematical intelligence, often to the detriment of other skills and forms of intelligence
I believe that great human beings who positively affect the lives of millions - such as Gandi - have a morerounded intelligence, rather than one that is exclusively focused in one narrow field.


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 20:59:38)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence

Jason, you seem more interestd in a copy & paste off, than the actual topic of discussion.


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 21:09:54)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence

I'm trying to discuss content. You seem to wish to argue about credibility and references.
And yet again you bring up chess grades, In one moment you chastise Wolfgang that they prove nothing, now you are claiming greater intelligence due toa higher grade?!


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 21:12:20)
My Opinion

I certainly do have an opinion. My opinion is that you have a very low IQ burrows, and don't have a clue how to do research. You like to make things up as you go along and change the subject when you're cornered and proven wrong. Very poor form!

It seems I have to talk to you as I would a very young child. It should go without saying that the opinion of 52 professionals in a given area should have some value when they're commenting in the area they have expertise in. If 52 mechanics told you that your car needs a new alternator would you argue and tell people to have their own opinion on the matter? This is what you're doing here.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 21:15:12)
IQ is intelligence. Skills are Skills

Actually, you're not trying to discuss any content at all. You seem to be content to copy and paste random internet blog content with the sole intention of arguing for the sake of arguing. It's really quite pathetic!




Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-07-15 21:33:35)
My two cents..

+1 to Nick Burrows

Psychologists have different opinions. And 52 psychologists - it is only a drop in ocean.

By the way.. I like more Nick than you, Jason.

There must be at least one more kind of social intelligence. Social or, may be, emotional intellingence. It looks that you lack of that kind of intelligence. Sorry..

P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-07-16 04:23:05)
2 Jason

IQ measures only part of personality.

Which standard IQ test can measure emphaty? Without emphaty you are machine, not human. No meaning how big IQ you have.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-07-16 04:30:03)
Just for clarity, Jason

It seems to me that you're thinking in this way:
Only IQ measures intelligence. And other sides of personality don't belong to intelligence.

Do I understand you correctly?


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-07-16 04:47:17)
Who knows...

Maybe it is because of my wrong terminology. Then, how I must call other things that traditional IQ test don't measure? Does emphaty (for example) don't earn honour to be included into intelligence?

Can you enlighten me, Jason?


Jason Repa    (2007-07-16 20:45:16)
Sandipan destroys Tiviakov

Anyone else having problems viewing the game in the java viewer?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-17 01:41:05)
Sandipan destroys Tiviakov

It most probably works fine, the problem is undoubtly this computer :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-17 12:12:43)
Game sorting

The page "My messages" displays only games where it is your move - sorted by 'date of last move played'. I'll probably add this option in september, there will be a (probably long) thread "Wish list" :)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2007-07-19 06:43:54)
DMD / DMA

Imagine a DMA / DMD thematic tournament ...


Jason Repa    (2007-07-24 03:14:47)
Human vs Human chess

http://members.shaw.ca/winnipeg_chess/rvsc.htm


Jason Repa    (2007-07-24 03:29:32)
.pgn vs .cbh

The modern chessbase format is .cbh. It has special formatting to provide extra indexing functionality and information such as timestamps. The old chessbase format is A .pgn file is simply a text file that contains a header and a chess game in standard modern algebraic notation. Remove the formatting from a .cbh, save it as *.pgn and, viola you have a .pgn file.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-25 14:22:17)
Too early

Hi Garvin. Yes, an easier way to buy E-points should be available already (Moneybookers will remain the cheapest one anyway) but there's a new delay... Also I did not have time enough to promote this tournament, so I'll have to change the date :/ .. E-Points will be given back.


Garvin Gray    (2007-07-28 03:58:25)
Rapid tournament games


I would like to propose a change to the rapid tournament time control.

Currently it is 30 days plus 1 day per move.

From the games I have been playing on here under this time control, I have noticed that as soon as you get to about 20 days left, it seems very difficult to get any higher than 20 days or so.

When you have a few games with this amount of time, it feels like not much time left at all.

I would like to propose that a new time control be made of 20 days plus 3 days per move. This still guarantees that a player will have 3 days to think of a move regardless of how many initial days they have used up.



Nick Burrows    (2007-07-28 14:47:31)
Mr Repa laughs out loud to himself

Oh wise leader Repa, once again the translucent light that is your piercing intelligence shines for us all to follow
You are the first person to ever share a game in the forum. I have never done it before.
Whatever makes you feel superior, my emotionally undeveloped friend.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-28 15:12:08)
Rapid tournaments

It seems this time control is ok for most players who use it (sometimes even too slow yet)... If you feel it's difficult, more reasonable would be to play standard class tournaments.

Still thinking about a longer time control.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-28 22:58:56)
A Better question

Is it possible that burrows tries to fashion himself a psychologist even though he has neither the education, training, nor anywhere near the intelligence required for such a vocation because he is attempting to resolve his own deep-seated psycho-pathological issues?


Garvin Gray    (2007-07-29 07:40:12)
another idea


Thibault de Vassal- It seems this time control is ok for most players who use it (sometimes even too slow yet)... If you feel it's difficult, more reasonable would be to play standard class tournaments.

Another suggestion is that I make sure I play the opening moves of any rapid game rather quickly, so I dont get into time trouble early :)



Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-30 23:19:04)
Rapid tournaments

:-)

Anyway this time control is quite difficult IMO.

About rating bands, unrated and WCH tournaments are a way for players with different ratings to meet themselves.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-31 00:02:27)
WCH tournament GROUP M 01

Hello Andrey.

Sorry, rated tournaments rules are quite hard (no withdrawals) but it applies to every player. It would be hard to keep this server free otherwise.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#withdrawals

Best wishes, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-31 00:06:28)
September 9

The new date is september 9... I hope I'll have more time to prepare that tournament.

Sorry for the delay.


Garvin Gray    (2007-07-31 06:38:35)
date change please


Can you please change the proposed date of the competition?

This date directly conflicts with the playchess freestyle tournament. Which is being held on 7/9 - 14/16 September.

I dont think it helps to have a clash of dates.



Polina Stefanova    (2007-08-02 16:13:21)
Threatened to kill the person

...in Moskow.

Unfortunately I inform, that --- [moderator : name deleted] from Ukraine promised to employ killers and to kill in Moscow the strongest chess player Igame - Sex God (2 place in rating Igame).

Sex God should play for command Igame against ficgs on the third board.

Sex God was against participation --- [moderator : name deleted] in match Igame – ficgs, because he supports addicts and played for a command which captain is the sick person and addict R2.

In Russia against a narcotism, including this illness a harm, however the command headed by addict R2, exists on Igame till now :(

As a result captain Igame, being afraid for a life and health Sex God has been compelled to exclude Sex God from a command.

Best wishes, Polina Stefanova (the leader of rating Igame)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2007-08-03 09:24:14)
re

I think I saw the light, in Polina's text, remove "command" and put "team" instead and everything will be clear as water. But I do not think that narcisism is so bad.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-08-03 09:39:16)
Re:

I couldn't make any sense out of what this particular thread is about. It sounds like "R2 D2 Computer Speaking". A space fight?!? Some "command" problems in Moscow?!? Some killers & narcotic addicts attacking some game & a god wannabe??!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-03 17:18:42)
Before to be moderated...

Hello Polina... (Stefanova, Romanova or whoever) Could you explain what this topic is about exactly ? :) .. It seems this is an Igame team issue, so this is probably not the correct place to discuss it.


Ivan Pljusnin    (2007-08-03 14:06:28)
My offer

I offer to play some interesting chess matches between strong igame player Sex_God and his enemies.

1. Sex_God - --- [moderator : name deleted], his would-be killer.

2. Sex_God - Sergey Pligin, who did not let him play in the igame team because of the conflict with --- [moderator : name deleted].

3. It is also interesting to see the match Sex_God - some strong player from ficgs. If Sex_God had stayed in the igame team, this match would have already started.

Best wishes, Mobutu (on igame) aka Ivan Pljusnin (here)


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-08-03 17:59:45)
Algorithm

It provides the algorithm for best play in any position.

An ultra-weak solution is not really a solution, it's only a proof that a solution exists and what properties it must have (draw, first player win most commonly). Such solutions tend involve the strategy stealing argument.

It is essentially proving a mathematical theorem.


Ivan Pljusnin    (2007-08-03 21:35:57)
:-)

Thibault, but you are agree that murders of strong correspondence chessplayers bring some excitement into their boring life, aren't you? :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-04 15:25:46)
September 23

Right ! .. It has been changed to september 23


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2007-08-05 07:38:46)
Translation (most accurate i could do)

"The ending is clearly drawn. There is no way to force in as the white king is badly placed and could not escape the black queen's checks. Luzuriaga's analysis starts with 48. Qe5+ so we assumed that would had been the move he played if the game had continued. If black's reply 48. Kg8, a bad move (Luzuriaga's analysis) that will result in a lost position for black. De Silva analyses that 48. Kh7 will result in a drawn endgame. I have checked all the variations in the computer and the result is the same for all of them DRAW."


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-08-05 08:12:35)
Re:

Tano-Urayoan! Thank you very much for the translation. It seems accurate.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2007-08-05 08:25:03)
No hay problema

You welcome


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-08-06 00:06:41)
Algorithm

It seems to be implemented with Chinook. It offers perfect play. Like when knowing the solution to tic-tac-toe, play is perfect.


Garvin Gray    (2007-08-07 18:32:38)
Challenge game

I would like to make some arrangements to play a game of FICGS__CHESS__BLITZ_SILVER__000002 if someone is interested. Please just reply to this post to start arranging a time.


Sergei Ivanov    (2007-08-09 11:44:34)
Re

Polina the truth speaks.
Ukrainian chess player --- [moderator : name deleted] threatens to kill Dmitry and even now writes letters that Dmitry will soon kill. Here one of letters which was sent by --- [moderator : name deleted]
" I already has employed killers, they will kill you "
Also it is known that --- [moderator : name deleted] not only accepts drugs (heroin, &#1082;&#1086;&#1082;&#1086;&#1080;&#1085;, marihuana …), but also sells drugs.


Alexander Minkin    (2007-08-09 15:21:30)
Re

Rebuyta, pora zakanchivat' s beleberdoj. Ochen' plohoi perevod na Anglisskij tol'ko zaputivaet teh kto pitaetsuy ponut' v chem delo ,i razborie nado vesti v Moscve na Igame forume a ne zdes'. Nadeus' cho vse uladitsyu.


Sergei Ivanov    (2007-08-09 17:12:10)
Alexander Minkin

S kem razbiratsja-to? Kapitan Igame sidit v kakoj-to derevne, byl by on v Moskve emu davno by rylo nachistili, za to chto on vzjal k sebe v komandu prestupnika. Narkoman --- [moderator : name deleted] vo Lvove, no kogda on pojavitsja v Moskve ego ozhidaet teplyj priem!


Ivan Pljusnin    (2007-08-10 01:06:34)
2 Dinesh De Silva

As an IGAME player I express my opinion. Everything is not so simple!

1. Some strong chessplayers like Morozevich on ICC would not like to show their real names. Should they all be driven away from all chess cites? I am not sure. :-)

2. Your rating-leader is Viktor Savinov, he have not played a single game here. Our rating-leader is Polina. Are you sure that they should be the captains of our teams?

3,4. Legendary chessplayers like Viktor Kortchnoj or Bobby Fischer are sometimes abusive. But I am not sure that they should be driven away.

5. There is no any titles on IGAME. We are anonymous Russian amateours.

In general, I think that chess cites of all kinds are necessary and useful. And a chessplayer must have a choice: FICGS, IGAME, ICCF, GAMEKNOT, PLAYCHESS.DE, CHESSHERE and so on. Each cite has its own customs and traditions.

By the way, it makes matches between them more interesting. I believe in IGAME anonymous fighters. :-)

Best wishes, Mobutu (my IGAME nickname)


Artur Saigakov    (2007-08-10 07:54:07)
Re

Eto i est polnaia 4uw. Dokazatelstv nikakix - krome virezok iz foruma i po4ti. --- [moderator : name deleted] slu4aino natknulsa (possorilsa) na gruppu ludei v internete, kotorie svoe delo znaiut: 1/ Oni umelo podtasovivaiut fakti 2/ Zadevaiut 4eloveka za zgivoe 3/ S celiu vigodi na4inaiut luboi konflict 4/ Megdu soboi obwaiutsa na otdelnom skritom forume 5/ Vsia4eskii podrivaiut reputaciy IGAME iz za togo 4to im ne nravitsa administracia igame i mnogie igroki igame. 6/ Oni zanimaiutsa priamim vreditelstvom na igame. Zabivaiut pustimi soobweniami forum. Zavodiat mnogo nikov i tormaziat turtiri. Zavodiat temi na forume 4to-bi posorit ludei. Izdevaiutsa nad slabimi waxmatistami i MNOGOE drugoe. 7/ Sami oni narkomani i alkogoliki i NE imeiut waxmatnix zvanii FIDE - igraiut tolko v advancechess. No nesmotria na etu malo4islennuiu gruppu zlonravnix ludei - IGAME.RU zame4atelnii sait s UIMOI zame4atelnix ludei. Za plusami igame mogno zaprosto ne zametit minusov, a negativnaia reklama - toge REKLAMA.


Artur Saigakov    (2007-08-10 07:58:10)
Re

Eto i est polnaia 4uw. Dokazatelstv nikakix - krome virezok iz foruma i po4ti. --- [moderator : name deleted] slu4aino natknulsa (possorilsa) na gruppu ludei v internete, kotorie svoe delo znaiut: 1/ Oni umelo podtasovivaiut fakti 2/ Zadevaiut 4eloveka za zgivoe 3/ S celiu vigodi na4inaiut luboi konflict 4/ Megdu soboi obwaiutsa na otdelnom skritom forume 5/ Vsia4eskii podrivaiut reputaciy IGAME iz za togo 4to im ne nravitsa administracia igame i mnogie igroki igame. 6/ Oni zanimaiutsa priamim vreditelstvom na igame. Zabivaiut pustimi soobweniami forum. Zavodiat mnogo nikov i tormaziat turtiri. Zavodiat temi na forume 4to-bi posorit ludei. Izdevaiutsa nad slabimi waxmatistami i MNOGOE drugoe. 7/ Sami oni narkomani i alkogoliki i NE imeiut waxmatnix zvanii FIDE - igraiut tolko v advancechess.


Charlie Neil    (2007-08-10 19:06:19)
Real Names

"Play the board not the man!" Is that not an old proverb? I play on another site, (or two) under a nickname. Chess should be fun and then a serious sport/game/art/science, Morozevitch and those like him play on those sites for 'fun'. And they relish the anonymity. Every large tournament will see a corner occupied with players having 'fun' blitz games between rounds. Legends such as M Tal, Karpov even Fischer had their 'fun' games. (Sorry for calling Tolya a Legend, but he is a living legend.) We all come here for our own reasons but mostly to play chess, (and Go) We know when we sign up here it must be on our real names. What's the problem? Some Websites charge a Fee, ICC for example. Ficgs doesn't.


Sergei Ivanov    (2007-08-10 10:46:17)
Ilmars

That it will kill --- [moderator : name deleted]'s message of Dmitry, has been placed at a forum:
http: // igt.forum24.ru
It is a forum of command Igame, he closed.
The given message was seen all command Igame.
After the message on murder - captain Igame, has requested acknowledgement of the person who promised to kill Dmitry, that the given message was written by --- [moderator : name deleted] and has received the certificate of master FIDE IM --- [moderator : name deleted].
So there are no doubts, that chess player --- [moderator : name deleted] threatened to kill Dmitry.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2007-08-10 13:50:37)
re

In the future there will be three kind of nations: territorial nations like the ones we have now, corporative nations, like big firms , microsoft for example, and cyber nations with FICGS and IGAME being two of them. So, FICGS could offer refugee status to Sexy God and try to extradite --- [moderator : name deleted]...


Garvin Gray    (2007-08-10 17:24:11)
time difference


Would you like to set a time Ilmars and we can start haggling?

I live in Brisbane Australia if you need to make some time conversions. Remember the game could take hours, so be kind.



Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-10 19:32:03)
Lots of fun...

Hello to all.

It seems this thread is still quite active.. but as everyone understood, there is no need to add to the provocation ;) .. If IM --- [moderator : name deleted] wants some accusations to be deleted, he can just ask me...


Reminder : Don't forget that the law also applies on the internet.

Reminder : Please speak english only on this forum.


---    (2007-08-10 22:34:03)
to Thibault de Vassal

Hello, Thibault. 1) Thibault, I am a professional chess-player. I do not have a necessity to put to death anybody! :-) You can talk with a captain is Sergey Pligin &#8211; he will confirm. You can talk with the administrator of site http://igame.ru/ &#8211; Dmitriy Matrosov &#8211; he will confirm. You can talk with the representatives of Chess Federation of Ukraine &#8211; they will confirm also! I only want to play a chess - on Your beautiful site! Do not I know, who such Sergei Ivanov!??? Do not I know, who such Polina Stefanova (or Romanova)!??? It is obvious impostors which have the fictitious names. I only want to notarize these people, that I am a chess-player, in place of killer! --- [moderator : name deleted] gets victories in chess games, and does not kill people! :-) 2) Do not I understand also, what these people want &#1086;&#1090; the site of http://www.ficgs.com/? Did they create this theme, to slander me? It seemed to me the page of humour at the beginning. But I see that it tired me already. I ask you to take measures! thanks a lot


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-11 04:43:43)
Warning : forum rules !

Hello to all.

It is time for this thread to end, so...

Reminder : No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit.


In other words I'll apply the rules letter by letter from now :


ANYONE WHO WILL POST SUCH ACCUSATIONS AGAIN WILL BE BANNED FROM THE SITE.


PS : The name has been deleted in the whole discussion.

Best wishes, Thibault


Ivan Pljusnin    (2007-08-12 01:41:19)
2 Andrew Stephenson

In fact there is a database of IGAME games in pgn format, about 400000 games. Formally speaking, it is not free: you have to register and buy membership and then you can download it. But somewhere it can be downloaded for free, I remember. If you wish I can give you a link, but I have to find it.

Our administrator does not send our games to MEGA Corre or any other chess databases, I am sure. From this point of view FICGS is much better.


Garvin Gray    (2007-08-12 15:35:05)
me black.

I remember us previously playing a game where I was white. So you can be white this time.


Garvin Gray    (2007-08-13 11:42:10)
blitz silver time control


I wish to confirm how this time control works:

(time:0 day,02:00:00, increment:0 day,02:00:00/40 moves)

Does this mean that each player receives two hours initial time, then receives another 2 hours after 40 moves, and then receives no more time after that? Which would mean that each side receives 4 hours total and no increment after move 40.

or does it mean:

That each player receives two hours initial time, then receives another 2 hours after 40 moves and then keeps receiving 2 hours after each further 40 moves made?



Marc Lacrosse    (2007-08-13 11:53:27)
(Unfair) partial withdrawal


A few weeks ago IM Andrey Vovk had a discussion in the forum with Thibault regarding the fact that he did not wish to play in the new WCH although he had formerly enrolled on the waiting list.

As Thibault confirmed that he had to play in tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M_01__000003, IM Vovk announced that he would forfeit all his games in this tournament.

That's what he seemed to do for more or less 30 days as he let his clock run and so lost five games on time.
Then he seemed to change his mind and began to play in his three remaining games where his flag had not yet fallen.

Although I admit that anybody may decide to play or to resign whenever he wishes, this seems a bit problematic in a qualification tournament : five players got a full point whereas three have to fight one more opponent (and presumably a very strong one)...

For what regards myself I am very happy to play a game against IM Volk but I feel that three of us have not the same chances anymore as the five other ones for qualification ...

I think this situation calls for establishing new rules for qualification tournaments : if a player clearly forfeits a given number of games, then all his games in this tournament should be withdrawn.


Your opinion ?

Marc



Garvin Gray    (2007-08-13 15:27:50)
new rule wording?


I will admit I didnt reply with the intention of wording a new rule. Was just showing what I thought of the claimed actions.

Current server policy is that any games under 10 moves are not rated. So that seems like a good place to start.

If a player fails to make ten moves in 50 per cent or more of their games in a tournament, they will be withdrawn from that tournament.

The tournament will continue as though the withdrawn player was never part of that tournament.



Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-13 17:59:54)
:)))

Anyway your initial post was deleted. ("possibly" offensive post) :)

Any other idea to write a rule to solve this problem ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-13 16:46:22)
:)))

Is "pig" offensive in your opinion ? :)


Reminder : "The site reserves the right to terminate any account or decline or limit your participation in any site activity for any reason, including, but not limited to, harassment of other participants, posting of offensive material, making libelous statements, or any breach of the terms of the agreement between you and the site."

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#membership


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-13 17:20:46)
Go Search Engine

From IGN Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info


Go Search Engine, created by Alexander Dinerchtein

There are many sites on the Internet dedicated to Go. The majority are non-profitmaking. They were created by people who enjoy playing Go strictly as amateurs. As a result, they don't invest much money or effort in making their sites popular among search engines, so it's hard to find their sites using Google, Yahoo! or other common tools.

Of course, it's not easy for them to compete with online gaming stores and gambling sites, which spend thousands of US dollars monthly on advertising and optimizing their sites for search engines. The verb "to go" makes the situation even more difficult. If we search for "go magazines" or "go news" on Google, we may find only a few Go-related resources on the first few pages. It's terrible!

The situation with Asian Go masters who have short and common names is also confusing. It's almost impossible to find their games, biographies and photos on the main search engines. We have decided to solve this problem! We have made a special search engine, based on Google Custom Search, which searches information only on Go-related sites.

Right now there are more than 500 sites in our database (99% of all Go-related resources) and we are trying to increase this number daily. We allow people to suggest new sites to crawl. Each site passes moderation, so you can be sure that each side is relevant to the subject of your search. We exclude non-Go related sites, doorways, sites with hidden text and dishonest competitors.

Dear Go-lovers, we hope that our system will be helpful for you!

You can find it here: http://find.gogame.info


Sergei Ivanov    (2007-08-13 17:25:19)
Thibault de Vassal

On this theme there is a fine Russian poem, but " difficulty of translation " not allow me to write it on English.
However captain Igame with pleasure will help to transfer sense of the given poem :))

[moderator : sorry, this forum is english-speaking only, feel free to post the poem in english]


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-13 17:43:44)
Garvin

Obviously, the "reference" was another thread, but let's come back to the main problem : partial withdrawal... ;)


Sergei Ivanov    (2007-08-13 17:46:35)
:)))

Sorry, but it is impossible.
The sense of a poem was in that: Russian people know, that A.Vovk could not operate differently.


Charlie Neil    (2007-08-13 18:25:50)
Quotes

Dirk Stikker, NATO General Secretary 1961-1964 was once asked, "How many people work in NATO Headquarters?" He replied, "About half of them."


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-13 18:46:54)
General comments

Thanks for sharing your opinion about these issues, Wayne :)

About the partial withdrawals in WCH tournaments, a problem is to define what is really "unfair" or not, how to avoid possible cheating and how to avoid human decisions as far as possible. A big deal for sure...

Main thread - http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=3461


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-08-13 23:40:48)
Obvious blunder

I always feel bad for a player who has done this. In my many years of playing CC I have done this on rare occasion. I remember a game in particuliar. I was playing this very excellent player (2300+) but very very arrogant. I had an easy but complicated clearly won end game. I copied the wrong move and resigned immediately. My Arrogant opponent as it turns out offered a take back, which was within the sites rules. But I declined telling him to me it is the same thing as "touch Move" in OTB chess. So my friend I know your feeling, I think we have all touched this base somewhere along the line. Wayne


Don Groves    (2007-08-14 02:16:17)
General comments

Is it possible to write a rule that has no loopholes? There will always be those few misguided souls who will find a way to violate the spirit of a rule while staying within the letter of the rule. They inhabit all segments of society. We can only do our best and hope that FICGS is not cursed with too many of them. IMHO, trying to write bulletproof rules will lead to much complexity, confusion, and even more dissatisfaction.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-14 03:22:05)
General comments

Hi Don.

I fully agree with this... The same problem may happen in OTB swiss tournaments when a few strong players agree results in advance to share the money prizes. That's probably very hard to avoid it, that's why I prefer knockout tournaments. And after all, according to the current rules, nothing prevents to ban systematic abusive players, which is probably enough...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-14 14:27:21)
Nomic

Looks interesting :)

"Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it differs from almost every other game. The primary activity of Nomic is proposing changes in the rules, debating the wisdom of changing them in that way, voting on the changes, deciding what can and cannot be done afterwards, and doing it. Even this core of the game, of course, can be changed. —Peter Suber, the creator of Nomic"


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-14 19:45:25)
Chessboard serial killer of Moscow

Source Chessbase - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4047


Guardian Unlimited: Along the leafy lanes of Moscow's Bitsevsky Park, Alexander Pichushkin was a familiar figure. The 33-year-old supermarket worker played chess under the trees and even invited his opponents for a drink afterwards. But yesterday Mr Pichushkin was in court accused of murdering 49 people and attempting to kill three more, a tally which would make him one of Russia's most deadly killers. According to the prosecution, Mr Pichushkin lured his victims, who were mostly elderly men, to a quiet part of the park. He then attacked them from behind with a hammer. Mr Pichushkin boasted that he had killed 63 people. He said he drew a cross on his chessboard after each murder. His plan to fill all 64 squares came unstuck in June 2006 when he went for a walk in the park with Marina Moskalyova, 36, a supermarket colleague.

Times Online: The prosecution claims that [Pichushkin] wanted to kill more people than Andrei Chikatilo, Russia’s worst known serial killer, who murdered 53 people. “He dreamt of surpassing Chikatilo and going down in history,” said Yuri Syomin, the Moscow prosecutor. The Russian press suggested last week that he would enter Guinness World Records by being charged with 62 murders. But in the event he was charged with only 52 killings over a five-year period. That compared with the 53 murders of women and children in the Rostov area of southern Russia for which Chikatilo was executed in 1994.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2252021.ece


Thomas Tamayo    (2007-08-15 14:22:19)
Possible solution...?

What if a forfeit of all games occurs as soon as one game is lost (on time or resignation) without at least 2 moves (one by B, one by W). It would be easy for an abusive player to get around this rule by playing a move before forfeit. The benefit would be that this offense is bannable (easier to find abuse). It seems fair - players in a tournament should be prepared to play!


Thomas Tamayo    (2007-08-15 14:40:37)
White is far ahead

Corners are important, but a quick count shows white with at least 90 + komi, black with around 65. Since B has to escape around e6 B can't hope to get much more while W will continue to earn points. Game 13059, though, is a mis-resignation. I set it up as a problem at http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3856


Thomas Tamayo    (2007-08-15 14:47:04)
SGF Result field

Would it be possible to update the SGF Result field for a completed game? For example: Black wins on time: B+T Black wins on score/resign: B+ (since no scoring is done on the server). It might clear up problems like the thread post "Go game 10878 Why black resign?" (it is unclear if it was time or resign).


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-15 22:28:39)
Mode d'emploi

Bonjour Daniel.

Il est possible de jouer pour le plaisir (pas d'enjeu, pas de classement) en participant aux tournois "unrated", notamment dans 'Waiting lists' puis 'Chess special tournaments' : les tournois thématiques et de chess 960 ne sont pas classés !

Tous les autres tournois sont joués pour les classements 'échecs par correspondance', 'advanced chess' ou le classement du 'Go'. Parmi ceux-ci, certains ont un droit d'entrée et des prix.

Pour le fonctionnement du site une fois qu'un tournoi a commencé, voir la section 'Help'.

Bonnes parties !


Thomas Tamayo    (2007-08-15 23:35:43)
Dead groups

The typical process is to enter a scoring mode with both players. Each player marks dead stones (if there is a disagreement play can be resumed or the game can be adjudicated). Once dead stones have been marked manually the game can be scored, though it is important to keep in mind special circumstances such as seki - the only way to have dame (zero value) points in Chinese counting AFAIK.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-16 03:23:47)
Dead groups

That's a bit harder at correspondence Go since players may be not connected at the same time to discuss the dead groups. But anyway that's not a big difference, players can use the 'Score' function, remove dead groups then eventually write the score in public comments. By the way, is the score so important for spectators ? .. Knowing W+12,5 may not help to understand why White won :) .. Moves are all IMO.

I'll add the "lost on time" SGF comment tomorrow.


Philip Roe    (2007-08-21 00:19:50)
Best game voting

It is a nice new feature to be able to see all the board positions in a tournament. This inspired me to look through the "20 best games". On average a mediocre bunch! Perhaps the problem is the link "vote for best game" You look at this and wonder "What happens if I click on this?" and then discover that you have voted for the game you happened to be examining. I suggest a less ambiguous wording "Endorse this game as a best game candidate"


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-27 00:50:54)
New Icon?

Hello Graham... Not here, you sure ?

Did anyone else encounter this problem ?!


Graham Wyborn    (2007-08-27 10:48:04)
New icon mystery!

In IE7 it has now returned to the original black crown.

But in my shortcuts on the taskbar it is still as previously described. Maybe my system has picked up an icon from somewhere! Not sure how!

Any help or advice!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-27 21:02:56)
New Icon?

It works fine here with Internet Explorer 7 but as far as I can remember, something like that happened to me too.


Christophe Czekaj    (2007-08-29 13:42:09)
Correspondence Chess without computers ?

Is there anyone interested about this topic ? Could we imagine a tournament in wich players agree to play without search engines ? For example, with a sort of gentlemen agreement to not use computer's help ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-30 16:08:17)
The 3 Monkey's

Hi Phil ! .. In french it seems to me the 3 Monkey's is said something like "I see nothing, I say nothing, I hear nothing".. Funny.


Don Groves    (2007-08-31 06:40:09)
Parkinson's other law

Quotes expand to fill the thread alloted to them ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-01 00:32:14)
Private message facility

Still not, but the wish list will be open soon ;) .. A few days more.

However it is possible to leave a message to an opponent about a game by writing a "public comment". It will be sent by email to your opponent too.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-09-01 00:39:47)
2 variations

Two variations of translation.

"That's the way we lose our slipping away youth - chasing incorporeal demons of the information through the wires." - by friend.
"Youth is slipping away, during we are driving demons of information through wires." - by me.

Said by Andris Jaunbergs - someone from Latvian University (LU).


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-09-01 00:41:00)
correction

"Youth is slipping away, during we are driving unbodily demons of information through wires."


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-01 07:14:59)
Site unable to load, timing out


Just 'finished' a blitz silver game with Ilmars Cirulis.

Had four minutes remaining on my clock and five moves to make to the time control, when ficgs would not load on my browser and kept timing out.

I am not happy about this situation because this has resulted in costing me e-points (money) through no fault of my own.

It is not my fault that the site kept timing out.

I am not sure what remedy there is for this situation, but I really dont feel like I should be out of pocket financially through a site fault and not my own fault.



Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-01 10:22:22)
Logs

Hello Garvin.

I didn't notice any server activity problem, so I'll wait & check the next moves logs. If it appears it's a server problem, we can continue the game with the clocks before it happened (if you both agree) or cancel the result. To be continued, quite annoying anyway :/


Christophe Czekaj    (2007-09-01 12:43:09)
Free of chess engine

Thanks Thibault for reconducing me to this past forum. Very interesting. The part about "real" elo and correspondance elo is edifying. I know correspondence players could have a huge better elo than their real life one (if they have any) : more time to think, no stress, no pressure (or less) but I believe players who play without engines have a coorespondence rating approximately equal to their over the board one. Personnaly, I play coorespondence chess to try new opening, to train generally since I cannot play over the board so often since 2 years. I often play from the office, wtih sometimes a couple of minutes on a move, or sometimes I go home with the moves to think about my response in over the board conditions (30 minutes maximum on one move). My correspondence elo is around 2000 (with a good start with a peak to 2098, but declining since ;-D) and my over the board rating is now 1990 (with a peak to 2040 last year, and a rapid elo around 2100). So I sometimes feel a bit fed up with playing against chess engines, notably, but perhaps I'm wrong I have remarked that since I got an advantage, often opponents defend very very well, like computers in fact. Ok it's part of the game, and I know t could be a good training, fight hard to win a game, display a good technique, etc. but it could be disappointing to have the impression of play with a human opponent and have to finish with an another, i.e. the computer. Perhaps could we compare over the board elo, with correspondence elo to know if there is computer help or not ? Anyway, a special category of tournament will be great, and I'm eager to play with other ficgs "OTB-correspondence" players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-01 15:29:04)
offer

I just saw the logs, unfortunately this time nothing can prove it wasn't a server bug (or the contrary). I'll make an update about it.

As Ilmars offered to you to cancel the result, I can do it. (Ilmars, can you send me an email about this ? .. Thanks)


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-01 16:32:50)
accessing site

Thibault, Thought you might want to know that for a few minutes I was having problems accessing the site again just then. Only just got back on.


Philip Roe    (2007-09-01 20:04:25)
engine-free chess

When I started playing here about three months ago I did not realise that engine use was allowed (or even encouraged, according to some) What did attract me were some features like being able to see ongoing games of other players, which makes the experience more like a "real" OTB event. I have played on other sites (IECG,ICC) where engines are forbidden, and ICC at least claims to have software that detects cheating. I play without an engine (but using books)simply because I enjoy it more. I dont care all that much what you do as long as you play interesting moves. It seems very clear from the games that lower-rated players certainly dont use engines and higher-rated players probably have to. At my kind of level (1900ish) it seems optional, but the suspicion that my opponent analyses with an engine steers me away from certain types of position (speculative sacs, or clear strategy but complex tactics) which is a shame because that may be where the position wants to go. The previous thread got very heated, and Im not sure why. One suggestion was to let non-computer users go away and play funny little unrated games by themselves. That is not attractive. Im not interested in playing walkover games against weak opponents. Rating is essential. Other than that, Im very interested to find out what other people think. That will determine whether or not I come to feel at home here.


Philip Roe    (2007-09-01 22:01:21)
quotes

As the days dwindle down.. to a precious few...(Maxwell Anderson, September Song.. or any CC-player)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-02 14:21:35)
China, chess and Go champion ?

The match between chinese and russian chess teams just ended in Nizhniy Novgorod. Both russian men and women teams lost to chinese by, respectively, a 24.5-25.5 and 23-27 score. Finally, China beat Russia by 52.5-47.5 points.

More details - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4084


Chess seems to be much less played than Xiangqi in China, the chinese are probably able to take the crown in every board game, soon a chinese world champion for chess ? Practice, practice and practice... Their only secret ? :)

... or was the russian team simply not strong enough ?


Still waiting for more chinese friends here at FICGS, but internet seems to have its own limits too :/


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-02 16:07:37)
FICGS__CHESS__BLITZ_SILVER__000002

Is there anyone who would like to make some arrangements for a FICGS__CHESS__BLITZ_SILVER__000002 game?


Viktor Savinov    (2007-09-03 12:27:34)
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_GM__000001

Two months tournament FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_GM__000001 is not formed. Perhaps, to lower a rating of the admission up to 2490-2470? To admit in tournament of GM FIDE & GM ICCF, having put them a conditional rating 2500? Perhaps, to dispatch players personal invitations?


Philip Roe    (2007-09-03 18:59:27)
CC without engines

Thibault, Christophe, All I did was to pass on that ICC CLAIMS to be able detect computer use. They dont say how they do it. Maybe they are just bluffing, or maybe they have an algorithm that kind of works and they dont want people to work around it by knowing how it works. The reason I dont use engines is because I want to take full credit for any wins I get. I can imagine using an engine and telling myself that I will just use it to prevent oversights. But I cant control what the engine will tell me. It might recommend a move that tells me that I am planning to attack the wrong target. If I then switch plans and win, what is left for me to feel proud of? But I can understand that others may feel differently, and there is much to be said for a site where everything is allowed because it gets around the issue of making a rule that is certainly very hard to enforce. But just because that rule does not exist on FICGS, it seems to me that if somebody on FICGS says that they are not using an engine, then you can probably believe them. The problem with other sites is that if a player with an umimpressive rating fires back a series of accurate moves very quickly in a difficult situation then you suspect that he is using an engine (although he promised not to) and there is not much you can do about it. If the same thing happens on FICGS you are pretty sure that he is using an engine, but you have already agreed that he can, so it doesnt irritate you. For that reason, I think that a computers-barred tournament might actually make sense on FICGS because those who want to use engines can legitimately do so. But for me, it would need to be chess that means something, with at least rating points at stake. Interestingly, Christophe and I are drawn in the same tournament, so we can declare at least that one game computer-free!


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-04 03:04:33)
Adjudication

Thanks Thibault. Although saying "your opponent is not supposed to use tablebases" is a bit like saying "your opponent is not supposed to use a computer" all the table bases are a click away and everyone is going to use them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-04 10:54:46)
Adjudication

There are still players here that don't even know what actually is a chess engine (true)... Even if the rules must avoid human judgement as much as possible, I think the main 'referee' should remain a human, not a program. Do we play correspondence chess for the result only ? What program could say what endgame is beautiful and worth to be played...


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-05 05:04:29)
Adjudication

Thibault I understand that to some players it might be unacceptable to have the game suddenly declared lost or drawn in a Q v Q+P ending or R+P v N+p ending. In my view these players should opt for the non computer tournaments you are going to set up. To cover the point raised: yes there can remain a need for a referee which should be human. Linking to table bases does not affect the beauty of an endgame Thibault its just a small range at the moment of 6 piece endings. There is no aesthetic value in following the moves advised by the tablebase the value is in getting there. Every strong player is consulting the tablebases when analysing positions leading to 6 piece situations so automating table base adjudications in say A M and WCC tournaments seems completely logical. Yes strong tournaments are played only for the sporting result Thibault I dont think anyone would choose an inferior move for the beauty they might try it to take a risk to win by complicating the game. I have seen 30+ moves games of yours of absolute poisened pawn Najdorf theory leading to a dead draw ..... I guess what I am trying to avoid is opponents dragging out games which are table base won. In the case of reasonable strong opponents 2100+ in my view this is because they just dont want to resign. by the way how do you call for the referee?


Philip Roe    (2007-09-05 23:13:44)
CC without engines

Well, you learn something new every day.

About paragraphing anyway!

Garvin, dont give it a second thought. Christophe and myself have both said that we accept your use of engines: we signed up for it.

Jason, I'm sure I speak for Christophe in saying that neither of wants to change anything for you happy centaurs. All we said was that IF enough other people felt the same way, THEN maybe Thibault might add that feature to his excellent site.

The parallel thread on tablebases is interesting. I find myself taking the opposite view. I dont see them as being very different from looking up KBNk in a textbook. They dont take fun out of the game because most of those rare positions are so impenetrable that they are not much fun anyway.

So I am not very consistent in my views. Who was it said that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds?


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-06 07:36:52)
engine use


Jason- Thibault already spelled it out for you in pretty simple terms that he doesn't believe in human-only correspondence chess. I guess if there are enough people who don't want to deal with reality whining about it he'll cave in.

Hello Jason,

I think the better response is if someone wants to play 'human only' correspondence chess, there are plenty of other sites 'out there' to satisfy.
Rather than 'cave in' I am most likely am wrong as Thibault is of course not keen to lose members, but I can see more bitching if human only chess is specifically catered for as players will 'bitch' about other players who they suspect of using engine assistance.

I enjoy the freestyle component of play is what I enjoy here and the good nature of the site. I think a main part of this is that there are no misconceptions about what the rules are regarding engine use.



Jason Repa    (2007-09-06 08:15:18)
engine use

[moderator : partly deleted]

I explained quite clearly in my previous post that.... "you'll never be able to tell for certain if someone is consulting a program or not in corr. chess, so why fret about it?"

The truth is, there are no corr. sites that can satisfy a desire to play non computer-assisted chess because corr. chess doesn't work that way anymore. Anyone can simply say they aren't consulting a program but unless they are right in front of you as they are making the moves you'll never know for sure. (...) Just accept reality for what it is. Are you going to try to have a footrace with someone on a scooter? Of course not. So why complain about computer use on corr. chess? Re-read my previous post in this thread a few times until you understand.

There is something to be said for human only chess. It is my favourite form of the game. Really, the only form. All else is just study and analysis. You can call it "playing" if you want, but unless you're making the moves strictly on your own brainpower, it's not playing chess.

I play rated OTB tournaments at time controls ranging from 5 minutes to 6 hours. I also play hundreds of bullet games a week online where I am certain that there is no computer involvement. To me this makes allot more sense than whining and crying about the advent of Fritz (and other programs). It's called accepting realilty.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-06 12:11:33)
Jason

Hello Jason, just curious : Do you were a - precocious / advanced for his age (don't know the best term) - child ? .. This is not a joke, your particular behaviour reminds me other people.

Best, Thibault


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-06 17:35:00)
Playchess freestyle tournament

Am curious, how many of our members are playing in the playchess freestyle tournament, starting in about 24 hours: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4093


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-06 17:41:43)
Playchess freestyle tournament

Yes, it would be nice to follow them... I remember that at least 2 of us played in a previous playchess freestyle tournament.


Jason Repa    (2007-09-06 20:56:31)
Philip Roe

You're joking here right? I made a benign and topical post trying to explain things for some people. I attacked or provoked NOBODY. You started in on me with this "for you happy centaur" remark that was completely uncalled for and unsolicited.

I can't seem to win with the forum here. Even when I make an innocent post I get insulted and harassed. Then when I defend myself the Admin sides against me like clockwork, lol.


Hannes Rada    (2007-09-06 21:28:07)
FICGS Hardware + Software

In my opininon it would be interesting to know on which hardware + software (Opening system, database) our server is running ? So Thibault, hope that's not a big secret :-)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-09-06 21:31:47)
:)

Software seems to be unique, made by Thibault. ;)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-09-07 01:46:18)
:D

It seems that we understood word 'software' diferently... :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-07 02:08:01)
Hardware and software

Oops, sorry I forgot to answer about the hardware but anyway the site should move soon on a new server.

Linux, Sql, Php, FICGS, that's all software, only "those parts of the system that you can hit with a hammer (not advised) is called hardware"...


Ilmars Cirulis    (2007-09-07 02:24:29)
:)

I understand 'software' (it seems that by mistake) as Wikichess, chat, move making etc.

Yes, I know standard meaning of 'software' :P


Christophe Czekaj    (2007-09-07 12:44:20)
To Jason

Hello Jason ! It’s just a question to have the possibility to play correspondence chess (for fun, not neccesarily studying or analysis, just the pleasure of finding moves, ideas (you know, what Bronstein called imagination) not rating, not to be classified as expert, or I don’t know what…) with people without computer. If they lie and use computer ; OK, we can’t be sure, but I’m certain you could accept that some players can trust other players when they say they don’t use computers. For example, I trust Philip when he said this, it’s just a question of being a gentleman. If there are cheaters ok, so what… Rybka will win And I don’t undestand your topic about class of players : I hope I‘ve the right of posting some commentaries on this forum, despite the fact being largely behind you in term of rating… I think we can still play chess without computer, and with rating or not, it’s the same game for me. Philip and I just think it could be kind to play with other players with a kind of gentleman’s agreement. Sorry if it bother you


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-08 00:46:47)
software

Are you using MySQL?

And, did you script all of the site yourself (other than some obvious external plugins)?

What distribution of Linux are you running if I might ask?

I have to commend it to you, the site certainly seems to have a good uptime, I have never encountered a problem accessing it, and only a single bug, promptly fixed.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-08 03:45:44)
Enrolment Cancellation

If the tournament started already, this is not possible. If the tournament did not start yet, this is not possible also... theorically but just tell me the waiting list you want to be removed from and I'll do the necessary :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-08 03:57:29)
Linux / MySQL

Hello Mladen.

Yes, MySQL. About the Linux distribution, Debian.. (if I remember well :))

And yes again, I did script all the site, already more than 500 php files (!) .. I was far to imagine this server when I started it ! .. Still much work to improve it for fast games... Finally, as it became quite huge, there are still (always) minor bugs that I correct as soon as I see them.


Phil Cook    (2007-09-08 05:04:08)
Long Shot

AB's of course,but will be on the look out now France lost,They will play one another in the semi's


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-08 05:21:37)
self removal

I think it would be good if a person can remove themselves from a waiting list. How come this is currently not the case?


Jason Repa    (2007-09-08 08:27:57)
To Christophe

[moderator : partly deleted]

You refuse to accept the reality of the modern corr chess experience and prefer to bicker instead of simply seeking OTB (or fast online) chess to get exclusively human vs human play. I've spelled out this theme repeatedly here.


Jason Repa    (2007-09-14 01:20:55)
[moderator : partly deleted]

(...) You might have noticed my M.O. of starting a new topical chess thread or trying to revive communication in an existing thread that is about chess when mayhem was going on before. This time I decided to just avoid the forums for awhile but apparently that's not good enough. I'm asking you to remove his post.


Christophe Czekaj    (2007-09-14 12:34:10)
You're right, Thibault

Polemic is useless.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-14 01:21:08)
Deleted

The post has been removed.

Reminder : ".. please just warn the moderator or webmaster >> in private <<"


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-08 12:19:39)
self removal

It shouldn't be possible for a player to change several times his position in the waiting list. Like any chess move it should be the responsability of the player IMO.


Jason Repa    (2007-09-08 12:26:56)
"No engines" Tournaments

I suspect you'll get a whole new breed of forum posts where accusations will be disguised as compliments such as: "Johnny So and So really played an excellent game! He was accurate like a machine against me", etc.
You'll also hear allot of twisted soapbox rants about how "morally superior" the allegedly non engine consulting players are.
This is what the forums on second rate sits such as RedHotPawn, ChessHere, etc are filled with, in addition to absurd claims of so-called "engine detection technology", which is obviously impossible. On RHP in particular, the site admin are software developers with extremely modest uscf ratings in the C-class range, yet somehow they deem themselves qualified to make such difficult judgment calls, which are at best a probability guess, even for a strong chess player.

I thought it was precisely this kind of nonsense you were trying to avoid when you decided to make it an up front policy of "freestyle" chess at will at FICGS.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-08 12:56:34)
No engines tournaments

Jason, of course you may be right ! .. We'll see, but I think the experience may be interesting anyway. As Philip said, FICGS main tournaments are designed for centaurs, and basically these "no engines" unrated tournaments are really just for fun... Unlike some of the other sites you mentioned, where to be ranked 1st may incite to use chess engines, I feel that these tournaments (with no rating ranges) will not attract many centaurs, simply because there's no interest at all for them...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-08 20:39:35)
Forfeit

That's a pity, it seems Miguel forfeited all his ongoing games... Probably 2 points more for IGAME.RU


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-09 03:19:05)
Debian

Seems to be a common choice of distribution for small servers. Hard to configure right, but infinitely stable once done so. And also featuring the best package manager around.

I'm guessing that this site is the most for what this server is used for.

I also wonder what connection do you use. Would you mind if I scanned the server?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-09 15:28:33)
FICGS update & wish list

Hello to all.

You probably noticed a new extension to the chat bar, it delivers some random messages and news (forum, problems, public comments, entries, login). It also automatically warns a player if he started an advanced tournament [bullet, lightning or blitz games], which is more convenient... As it refreshes every minute, you shouldn't log out automatically anymore until you close the chat bar.


Other changes :

- Serbia & Montenegro (SCG) has become Serbia (SRB) and Montenegro (MNE).
- New players will start with a 1800 chess rating.
- Lightning tournaments become Advanced tournaments (blitz, lightning, bullet)
- New quotes added from the forum :)
- Some Google optimizations...
- Waiting list for unrated no-engines tournaments is open !
- Minor bugs corrected.


I did not implement the private messages facility yet... I feel it could create some problems (not technically), I still have to think about it.


This is probably a good moment to open a wish list and discuss all changes you'd like to see on the site...

Best wishes, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-09 18:15:24)
Ooops !

It seems I made too many updates in the waiting lists these last months... I forgot that I removed silver rapid & standard. Sorry :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-09 19:28:27)
Drag and drop

I have to look for a way to implement drag & drop without java. I still have no idea about it... About conditional moves, that's the eternal question. I think I won't implement it, sorry :/

About the graphical interface, why would you like to see it below the chess notation ?! .. Maybe to avoid to scroll down if you write your moves ?


Hannes Rada    (2007-09-09 21:26:43)
board diagrams + conditionals

Not for the imput of my own moves. For scrolling down through whole tournaments it is in my opinion more logic to see first the notation and then the current position on the diagram. I think it is quite hard or difficult to implement conditional moves. The ICCF-Webserver has this feature, but it is disabled. We had a perfect solution on the chessfriend server (silent conditional moves - great for saving reflection time and to speed up to game). Somte openings like the Grunfeld or the Sveshnikov are 'pefect' for conditionals :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-09 21:43:59)
board diagrams + conditionals

I understand that some openings are quite "boring" to play :) .. and I saw conditional moves on Chessfriend server. Why is it disabled at ICCF server ?

Conditional moves is a quite difficult feature to implement, that's true (even more with several games). Also there are many ways to imagine it ! .. But the main question is "would it be fair" ?


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-10 00:15:58)
Jason

Cool down a bit and don't shout, it's not a very civil thing to do. To me it seems obvious that Garvin has been joking. It might not be much of a joke, but it is still only a joke.

BTW, the only reason why I was asking questions is pure curiosity about the site, and what runs it so well! :)


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-10 00:55:51)
Rating lists problem

The rating lists no longer display all of the players that should be displayed. Even with all filters off it only displays 518 players. Is this intentional?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 01:35:31)
Rating lists problem

No, it isn't... Thanks, I'll arrange that.


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-10 01:54:09)
Confessions of a Magic 8 Ball ;)

Well, first off I started with the provisional rating of 1200, then I signed up for a bunch of tournaments and started playing 60+ games. Next, add irregular Internet access with no conditions to perform any reasonable analysis of games in progress and the pressing requirement to answer 40 moves in one go, only to go trough the same at the next soonest opportunity.

I "solved" the problem by not playing and forgetting about the server for about a month (needed that). For that reason I lost more than 250 points (254 to be exact).

Needless to say, the recovery of my rating to any decent level is slow, as, in the meantime I have gone trough periods when I played little chess here, or even none, with games in progress.

Your speculated reasons for my supposed intrusion here (it might be argued that your first post here is the real intrusion) are just plain wrong.

I also don't find ELO ratings to be a valid measure of a man. The real reason I "intrude" in the matter is that I like the general atmosphere here. I am also quiet aware that I am probably the lowest rated poster here, but, before few minutes ago, I was not aware of your rating (good job, while we're on the subject) or Garvin's, for that matter.


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-11 05:44:21)
A wish

Could you please make the site align well within the confines of a 1024x768 monitor. You seem to be missing the resolution by the width of the slider, plus couple of pixels.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 03:48:53)
New rule

I know that :) .. No problem.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 13:32:41)
Netiquette (rules update)

11. General rules

11. 1. Netiquette

Computer assistance is authorized, as any other kind of help but in the "no-engines" tournaments.

It is possible to leave public comments for your games. No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 14:43:59)
Discussing the new rule

About this rule : "Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private."

As a player pointed out that this rule was really hard and suggested to me to punish verbal attacks only, here's my answer (to be discussed, of course) :

I did not ban provocation, I just try to limit the "discussions" that follow... Provocation calls provocation and progressively more and more, I don't think that any argument is useful when the aim is not to convince but only to provoke... So, how to limit that with clear rules ? What's exactly a verbal attack, where is the limit ? Quite hard to say... How to avoid such discussions to burn quickly ?

If you have any idea of a better rule, feel free to suggest... What most players like in this site is the friendly atmosphere... Such discussions are boring for most of them IMO.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 15:41:00)
"FICGS Hardware + Software"

I'll delete insulting and provocative posts if concerned players ask for and "at the moderator's discretion". Otherwise, this thread will remain as the explanation of this rule.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-10 18:20:05)
Insults

Thibault you have been over tolerant of abusive posting in the forum already and that has contributed to the situation. Sorry to say that but it must be obvious to anyone who has read the discussions. The key problem is personal attacks on people and not provocation. It is not acceptable to respond to a point with a string of insults denigrating person. Incidentally Thibault is it not possible simply to deny someone access to the blog so there posts cannot be seen by anyone as a punishment and they receive a message to that effect? No need to deny or retrict them access to the server as a whole. This is what ICC do in the same situation. Also if someone is punished in this way there is no need for it to be broadcast it is enough they know that their posts or responses cannot be read. So the offender carries on using the server and playing chess but cannot make posts - but of course they can read them!


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-10 21:05:48)
chess engines

Following Thibault's comments about Rybka having changed correpondence chess I purchased the rybka engine. It is a very good program but I dont see how it has affected cc anymore than Fritz. I have used Fritz 8 and 9 extensively for analysis and have until now no experience of other engines. Although I have just downloaded Toga II which is an excellent engine (and free!!) if anyone wants a free engine this is a top program that downloads in seconds and is up there with the commercial programs. I noticed Rybka seems more conservative evaluating positions than Fritz. However it has blind spots. For an example taken from the current chess cafe "Yasser Annotates" (Ivanchuk Seirawan 1990)after 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe 4 Nxe Bc5 5 Ng3 Bg6 6 h5 h6 7 Nf3 Nd7 8 h5 Bh7 9 Bd3 Bxd 10 Qxd Ngf6 11 Bf4 e6 12 0-0-0 Be7 13 c4 b5 Black offers a pawn my reaction is not to take - otb I would never take. Why open the c file for black and grabbing the pawn by Qxb5 looks risky with only 2 pawns to cover the king and open b and c files. Fritz prefers 14 c5 with 14 cxd followed by 15 Kb1 as 2nd choice after 3 minutes ply 15 depth Rybka r chooses 14 cxb cxb then 15 Qxb5?! even after 1 hour at ply 19! In cc I would look at 14cxb and 15 Qxb5 to see if I could survive and win with the extra pawn but working with Fritz it takes but a few minutes to see black has compensation after 15 Qxb5 Nd5. When 16 Be5 gives an inferior endgame for white and 16 Bd2 Rb8 gives an attack for black. The top professionals work with a range of programs Fritz, Junior, Shredder, Hiracs and Rybka to generate ideas. Does anyone have any views on these other program's characteristics?


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-09-10 21:39:51)
problem

Your rule is unclear, or flawed. Someone responding a provocation might answer with a personal attack, or not. The originator of a personal attack should be baned, whoever he is. It is irrelevant who started it if you are after those making personal attacks, you simply ban those making personal attacks.

Your current rule is unfair in case if one of the posters engaged in the said discussion makes no personal attacks and gets baned.


Jason Repa    (2007-09-10 22:39:03)
Chat Rules

Calling someone a hypocrite, who is indeed a hypocrite, as evidenced by their behavior, is neither provocative, nor is it an insult, any more than calling someone who steals for a living a thief.

The best way to prevent chat abuse is to punish the party who STARTS it. Obviously a coward will use various devices in order to try to get away with it, such as trying to pass off the insult as a joke, etc. Thibault, despite English not being your primary language, you're clearly an intelligent enough guy to figure out when someone is trying to start an argument by being offensive. My belief is that this is the party at fault, not the person who is defending themself. But if your policy is to limit access to the first person who starts the ad-hominem or disparaging remarks, then there would not be a need for responding. But I'm not sure why you seem to be placing the focus on the the responder to an offensive post, and not the real culprit who starts the flaming in the first place. Nothing happens until someone starts something.

Obviously butting into a conversation that has nothing to do with them and ordering someone to "cool down" is clearly both provocative and offensive. (...) [moderator : partly deleted]


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 22:42:32)
chess engines

First of all, every chess engines is a choice, ie. about selectivity, and has consequences & weaknesses in particular positions. Fruit/Toga algorithm is really good but it has probably still much less chess knowledge than Rybka. I think Rybka's algorithm is really better also, Vasik Rajlich added some "human features" while other programs still think about chess like mathematics.

Rybka changed correspondence chess because Fritz or Junior (very strong chess machines) added to a good chess player makes a good centaur while Rybka is "almost" a centaur itself... Consequently a weak chess player can reach quite easily a 2100/2200 rating. That's the main reason...

Of course Rybka will always make some bad moves, but it/she builds an advantage move after move against other engines in most cases in 'calm' positions. HIARCS, that was told during a long time to think most like a human, was not a strong 'chess machine'. I don't know much about Hiarcs 11/12, but Rybka is a major improvement in this way IMO.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-10 23:12:01)
Chat Rules

That's why I think this rule is quite good... ;)

The starter (provocation only, insults leading to be permanently banned) may just see his post deleted, nothing more. Of course, provocation shouldn't lead to get a limited access immediately !

The one who responds, particularly with insults (even ie. "hypocrite", or "thief"), has a greater responsability IMO. This remains a judgement and this has nothing to do in this forum. Better is to warn a moderator.


Mladen, this is not irrelevant because provocating posts will be deleted, such discussions won't happen anymore and noone will (should) get a limited access !

Trust me, my aim is not to ban players... I and other moderators will be fair, so let's try this rule, I'll change it if it doesn't work.

Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules : No reason & no evidence will allow anyone to insult anyone in this forum anymore.


Jason Repa    (2007-09-10 23:25:57)
Chat Rules

It sounds good, just as long as you're not going to make a policy of rewarding weasels and cowards who like to needle and insult with indirect and surreptitious means. An honest and direct person should not be chastised for possessing good qualities and being upfront. Being offensive is being offensive. Taking liberties with someone and trying to condescend is just as, or more offensive than calling someone a name, especially if that name that you call them is true.

In the end, it will of course be up to your judgement.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-10 23:31:53)
chess engines

Hi Jason As Thibault post indicates Toga is a fruit flavour ie fruit variant. Check CEGT rating list for single version engines (http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rating.htm) Toga II is at no3 and Fruit 2.3 is at no 5 position. As for our game no engine is ever going to save me! Maybe 28 ..Rc8 would have held but earlier on 14 exd6 Bf6 15 Bxf8 Kxf6 16 Qf3 looks really disgusting for black. I am not going to blame the opening but Fritz and I are back to the Najdorf! Apparently Aagard had a book out on offbeat sicilianl ines in which he could find no way for white to gain an advantage in this Prins line hmm Im sceptical. Thibault - thanks for expanding on your comments. I note your point about calm positions. The game I cited is the sort of wild position where Rybka is not so good later in the game it is convinced that 19 ..Nxf2 is good for black a move which loses and which fritz rejects fairly quickly.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-11 14:23:06)
Games

You mean ? .. Is there a problem to find the games ?

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_GM__000001


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-11 17:18:40)
Best game

There could be also one for Big Chess :/ .. That's a problem, indeed. Also it would be great to find a way to "promote" really good games... I added a message "Don't forget to vote for the best game !" in the new message box already. Any idea ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-11 17:24:22)
"Why to use a program"

Some elements of answer :

http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_857-Why-do-you-play-corrchess.html


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-11 22:04:32)
Chess comp ratings

Rybka is most dominant in the single processor versions when it comes to multi processor versions the gap is less and suddenly Zap chess appears. I am not sure why this is. Another point thats interesting is Rybkas endgame evaluations there is some significant difference with Fritz here. It seems a bit overoptimistic but sometimes it seems right. Finally a striking point when using Rybka is how comparatively few positions it is analysing per second compared to Fritz maybe only 10%. This illustrates Thibaults point about Rybka's far greater reliance on chess knowledge.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-12 07:36:30)
chess engines endgame play

Right Thibault! I am becoming more impressed with Rybka's endgame knowledge. It seems to have the extra pawn on just one side situations well understood. Is there any engine that is recognised as being the strongest at endgames? This is certainly an area where cc has helped me enormously as it has forced me to get some endgame books (and actually study them!)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-12 07:36:52)
chess engines endgame play

" It seems to have the extra pawn on just one side situations well understood." .. It is undoubtly one of the keys of its success.

As far as I know, Shredder has always been said to be the strongest engine in the endgames.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-12 11:48:27)
Latvian, Russian ...

Thanks to all for quick answers :)

Hi Ilmars, some languages (including Latvian) need UTF-8 format, so I can't include them in the 'real' home page (yet).


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-12 15:17:28)
Reminder

Netiquette rule change :

http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_3765-Netiquette-rules-update.html


"Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private."

This is a quite good example of a useless discussion... Some posts in this thread (the first ones have been written before the rule change) are at least provocative, so you may eventually ask for some things to be moderated before to respond to the moderated version of these posts.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-12 16:51:49)
Gene

ok Gene let me give you my experience as to why you should use an engine in cc. 1) I have learnt a lot about certain openings and I remember lot more effective systems 2) finding the truth about a position is fun and instructive 3) I have acquired some endgame knowledge I never would have got. 4) Generally I wil try to understand why the engines like certain moves and drill down into the position trying altrentives until I get it. Sometimes in very wild positions its tough. Most of the the time this reinforces principles of develpoment pawn structure piece dynamism and I find it rubs off on my understanding. One proviso - if you take on too many games a lot of this wont work! Facing a much lower rated player you have to do research and prepare something - trotting down the main line poisened pawn Najdorf may not be the way to go. A lot of top players go for catalan and english openings hoping to utilise their chess knowledge and research. One thing is for sure always playing the best move of your engine is going to drop 1/2 points and lose some games and that includes Rybka. Finally all this stuff is done by all the top professionals in the otb chess. One example I faced the line that Kramnik got crushed with by Topalov playing b5 and f4. I looked at the game notes and databases and couldnt find a good response 45 minutes with fritz and I cracked it and in the process gained some insight into the opening. In fact its a harmless variation if you know the antidote but over the board one slip and Kram was toasted


Philip Roe    (2007-09-13 00:37:23)
Andrew Stephenson

You post makes a lot of sense, and I can absolutely agree that being a centaur can be fun and educational (Centaurs in Greek mythology, by the way, were a highly respected race, and usually described as happy) However, I am puzzled by something which maybe you or someone else can explain.

You and others assert that playing the engines first choice every time will drop points against an intelligent centaur. Does it not follow that a centaur should have a higher rating than its engine? But in fact the ratings quoted for the top engines are substantially higher than the ratings of anyone on FICGS, which seems a paradox.

Does the explanation lie in unsynchronized rating systems, or am I just missing something? This question has nothing to do with value judgements, merely with satisfying a curiosity.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-13 00:41:26)
Chess engines ratings

"unsynchronized rating systems" : undoubtly :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-13 06:35:12)
Ratings

Hi Phillip I don't know what "an unsynchronised rating system" is. However at the rate of play 40/20 for example I am not sure I would be able to improve so much on the engines first choices. At the free style tournament stand alones do pretty well. If I needed 45 minutes to find one best move in the Topalov Kramnik line..... So yes a centaur can easily have a higher rating than the engine(s) he is using at cc time rates (on the same hardware). For one thing the centaur can use different engines and for another its a bit like taking a move back all the time and pushing past any horizon limitations plus there is the restrictions of opening books that all engines have. However I am not going to play my own cc games against Fritz 10 (Fritz 9 in my case)by giving it 1 day or even 10 minutes per move because I am not motivated - you need the human element for that. Hope that helps.


Christophe Czekaj    (2007-09-13 13:00:14)
Thanks

[moderator : partly deleted]

(...) I understand the useless of any polemic, but what about a "droit de réponse" ? Anyway, this topic is close for me. I've just made a proposition of tournament and find myself accused of immorality !


Philip Roe    (2007-09-14 17:53:56)
Andrew Stephenson

Thanks for your explanations. They were helpful. Let me try to say what I meant by unsynchronised rating systems (maybe I could have found a better word)

The difference between your rating and mine is a measure of how likely you are to beat me, and that relationship between rating difference and percentage score is similar for any system I have come across.

However, the absolute numbers mean little if anything. There was a widespead belief for some time that US players were overrated, even though the system worked fine internally. My understanding is that from time to time organisations check to see if they have drifted too far from FIDE standards.

This sort of calibration works fine for human OTB games, but for anything else it is not easy to see how to "set the zero", and that possible mismatch is what I called "unsynchronised".

I think that standard CC practice is to try to give each player a rating similar to their OTB rating. I do not know how the engine ratings quoted were tied down, and I imagine that centaur ratings are very difficult to calibrate.




Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-13 13:44:25)
Droit de réponse

Christophe, as I said to you in private, it is only due to this rules change just before your post. It was too hard to make distinction of what is justified or not in some cases, so I was too much tolerant before. Now rules should avoid this. All responses to provocation will now be censured, a "droit de réponse" in this case is useless and pollutes the forum. Of course, you may ask for previous provocation & insults to be removed also.

Of course you were not accused of immorality ! .. Rules must avoid such discussions, nothing more.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-13 19:04:01)
Droit de ...

Sorry about duplicate Thibault will avoidi t i was wondering how it happened dont remember pressing the reload but must have done! Please remove all the personal attacks Thibault from this thread. Thanks


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-14 18:37:01)
another idea

A possible answer is that once a player has withdrawn themselves from the waiting list for a tournament, they cannot re-enter that same tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-15 12:59:08)
IECG WC 2006 final

As the IECG WC 2006 final just started, this is a good time to end the game. Quite surprising but finally, after 2 or 3 discussions about it, noone solved it and found me (some really looked for though) ;)

Clues were : Playing this year in a world championship final, birthdate (1973-04-13), first FICGS rating (2407, IECG rating), movies (a few players at IECG and FICGS knew about it, the trailer of 'A Clockwork Orange' where the other name is mentioned...


Here is the message I sent to my opponents :

"Dear chessfriends,

That's a real pleasure and honor to play my first IECG WC final with you all. Dinesh, Carlos, Farit, Massimiliano and John, nice to play again :)

I'm 34, single, living in the center of France... I play correspondence chess since 2002, IECG is the place I started with.

I made a few strange movies and videos a few years ago (soon available on the internet) :)

http://www.ficgs.com/psi/download/psi_divx411_vost_720x360.avi
http://www.ficgs.com/psi/download/A_clockwork_orange_2005__teaser.avi

http://www.ficgs.com/psi/download/Aphex_Twin_-_Inkeys_video_clip.avi


I wanted to play correspondence chess under my director's name but I'm now more known in our small CC world as Thibault de Vassal... I'm the webmaster of FICGS - http://www.ficgs.com , another Correspondence Chess Server, where I knew some of you :) .. Sorry about the confusion. I don't know how IECG rules will apply, I hope I can play this tournament anyway.

Best of luck to all !

David Gordh."


TS: Gordon Evans
+---------------------------------+---+----+----+---+---+----+----+------+-----+
|IECG WC-2006-F-00001 1 1 1 1 1 1 | | | |WC 2006 Tournament # 00001 | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 | Tot | Plc |
+---------------------------------+---+----+----+---+---+----+----+------|-----|
| 18149 Robson, Nigel ENG 2646 | # | 0,0 | |
| 16702 Sirota, Anatoli AUS 2553 | # | 0,0 | |
| 19142 Pappier, Carlos ARG 2518 | # | 0,0 | |
| 18096 Chovanec, Milan SVK 2508 | # | 0,0 | |
| 15446 Makovsky, Petr CZE 2500 | # | 0,0 | |
| 11273 Blanco, Cesar GUA 2451 | # | 0,0 | |
| 13336 Gordh, David FRA 2443 | # | 0,0 | |
| 17738 De Silva, Dines SRI 2425 | # | 0,0 | |
| 10969 Rocca, Horacio ARG 2422 | # | 0,0 | |
| 17342 Perez, Brigilia PHI 2410 | # | 0,0 | |
| 16273 Fiala, Jaroslav CZE 2406 | # | 0,0 | |
| 13552 Claridge, John WLS 2403 | # | 0,0 | |
| 21524 Balabaev, Farit KAZ 2398 | # | 0,0 | |
| 15174 Massimini Gerbi ITA 2363 | # | 0,0 | |
| 18311 Bendig, Frank GER 2341 | # | 0,0 | |
+---------------------------------+-------------------------------+------+-----+
Rating Average = 2452 Category = 9 Start date: 12.09.2007


I didn't know that I would create FICGS when I registered at IECG and I prefered to use my director's name. I hope you don't mind. Sorry to Igor Khokhlov, Harry Ingersol and Farit Balabaev (I played them under both names).

Best wishes, Thibault


Jason Repa    (2007-09-15 13:03:20)
FIDE World Championship 2007

Well there is some doubt there, most remarkably from Anand himself who considered Kramnik to be the favourite here in a pre-tournament interview, despite Anand's higher elo.

I predict Kramnik to win, not out of any personal admiration for the man. Quite the opposite is true actually. I would rather see Anand or Leko win.

At the close of Round 2, Anand and Kramnik are tied for the lead.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-15 14:27:44)
Status bar

That's an idea... but.. but but.. actually not so easy to do it well, and it may cause some problems.


Hannes Rada    (2007-09-15 20:01:39)
Surprise, Surprise

Thibault or David :-) As far as I remember: several years ago I received a challenge for a 2 game match at the chessfriend server from a movie director where he mentioned some of these video-links. (I had to decline the match offer, because I had too much games at the same time) I really liked the dull ambience of the clips. I am also a big fan of Stanley Kubrick and I consider his Clockwork Orange a masterpiece. The trailer of the PSI - Movie looks really good and interesting. What kind of movies are these ? Public Domain movies :-) Or commercial movies produced to earn big money :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-15 20:52:34)
Surprise, Surprise

Hi Hannes, that's right I remember :)

Commercial movies, surely not ;) .. PSI may be compared to Lynch's "Lost Highway" by the aesthetic & atmosphere, a very strange movie. A Clockwork Orange is a kind of ultra-violent parody, more about cinema, reality-show and Cannes festival than Kubrick's movie. Very funny IMO, but maybe too much provocative, so a few problems with it :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-16 12:25:33)
Film Director

I switched my name because PSI was an english speaking movie and personal "enough". But finally I made A Clockwork Orange (french speaking) under my real name. Now both coexist and have their own cinema - Schizophrenia ? :) .. Also it was probably another way to free imagination and catharsis.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-18 15:55:07)
Major update : New interface !

Hello to all.

You may have noticed that the way to send moves has changed, at least the way by default (you still can choose to play through the old - HTML only - interface by clicking "slow moves" in My games).

Please note that there are no more confirmation pages when using the new Javascript interface, meaning your moves will be sent as soon as you press the Send button. Also Javascript should be activated in your browser, that is generally the case.

Other changes :

- My games display only games where it's your turn, you can change it by clicking 'display all games'.

- It is now possible to download all chess games (PGN format) in a particular tournament, see the bottom of the page.

- To avoid massive forfeits, the number of running games is now limited to 60.


... and hundreds of other small improvements :)

Feel free to report possible bugs or if you have any suggestions. Thanks in advance !


Gino Figlio    (2007-09-17 03:24:19)
Schuster-Figlio

I wasn't trying to come up with a quote :)

But again, the rules are created to allow the game to progress to its end without difficulties, prevent conflict and in our case to break a tie.

Obviously, in this case I'm in advantage from the start given the tournament rules.
That's why if Peter evens the score and it looks like the match will end in a tie, I will resign the last game even if it is a draw.

These methods to break ties are ok in blitz or OTB games but in our type of matches where we want the superior player to qualify, it would be a dishonor to take advantage of them. At least I could not do it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-17 05:35:42)
To tie or not to tie

Hi Gino !

"I'm in advantage from the start given the tournament rules" : Untrue IMO, according to the current situation (not all games are draw), if the match ends at tie, you'll lose it - at least qualification - in all cases ;)

In 8-games matches, like every WC round-robin tournament, fighting for the score and (&&) for ratings looks quite normal, there's no dishonor to tie, winning or losing the right to move to the next round. Definitely rules have something to do with honor, at least with victory. Is there no honor to win a chess game with White pieces and its small advantage ?

What about ICCF WC tournaments and Sonnenborn-Berger ? .. Somewhat more complex, but ratings decide according to the situation also. What about FIDE World Championship ? .. Did Kramnik win his title / tie his match against Leko without honor ? .. FICGS rules are not more unfair than FIDE WCH ones, I'm playing an 8-games match against Farit Balabaev, his strategy is clearly to draw the 8 games and it may work, there's no dishonor in it, only good strategy IMHO.

But, of course, that's more a question of human feeling than mathematics, so only my point of view :)


Rodrigo Jaroszewski    (2007-09-18 06:20:30)
Hmm...

Wouldn't it be better to ask Peter what he thinks about this? I know some people that would actually be offended if the opponent withdrew, even if they took the upper hand because of that. This is an issue that should be discussed between Peter and Gino only, IMHO.

And for the next championship (and I'm just one guy rambling here, with hardly any chance of getting there), perhaps it could be arranged that the opponents just played 8-game matches until one of them is won. It'll take more time, but it it seems the only way it won't look fishy for one side or the other. (And sorry if fishy is a strong word.)


Hannes Rada    (2007-09-18 12:29:07)
Round robin Tournaments

FICS champion should be crowned by a round robin tournament. This seems to be more fair than these KO matches. Just my humble opinion.


Albert H. Alberts    (2007-09-18 17:04:14)
110 best chess moves ever

All: Dutch GM Tim Krabbe has compiled "110 best chess moves ever".I computerevaluated them.Most of them are spotted by machines and if not: they are refuted. Notably nr. Topalov-Shirov and a classic 1960 Spasski-Bronstein.www.howtofoolfritz.com. Albert Alberts Amsterdam.


Hannes Rada    (2007-09-18 22:15:53)
Good improvements

Thanks alot - I like these improvements. However, as I can see this is no real drag and drop. When I click on the piece it disappears until it reaches it destination square. Is this behaviour correct ? Maybe because I've no Javascript enabled ?? Where can I check this ? Quite cool - indication of the remaining time in hour, minutes and seconds :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-18 23:59:27)
Drag and drop

Hi Hannes... This behaviour is correct so your javascript is enabled. That's true, I did not find a way to combine a javascript drag and drop with the FICGS interface :/ .. The event onMouseUp did not work when on another element (image). Waiting for another way... ;)


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-09-19 00:56:11)
Missing game(s)

I seem to think at least one of my games does not appear in "My games" tab. I see no result for game A_000012 5866. I dunno if this is the game or not. But anyhow I am used to seeing one gamer in the 5k series listed when I click "My games" tab. Hope there are not others as I have many games going. In my Ficgs database of games I do not anotate a win or loss. Help please Thibault......thank you Wayne


Charlie Neil    (2007-09-19 10:39:55)
Mighty Fine

Love the new interface! No drag and drop yet but, you can't have everything. Faster movement on the board gives me more excuses for finger-slip blunders. And all for the same price!.......B-)


Josef Riha    (2007-09-19 18:21:15)
Empty

Hello Thibault, please can you tell me what's this means?
The move of my opponent is done (5. ...Bb4)
A000026 game 14550.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5 not 5.empty *


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-19 18:33:20)
Not empty

Hello Josef, this is a bug provoked by the new interface, it should be fixed in a few hours. Now correcting the game...


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-19 18:34:09)
New options in Preferences

I was to implement it ;)


Don Groves    (2007-09-20 07:58:42)
New interface!

Excellent changes, Thibault! Much smoother now. One request I have: please show the remaining clock next to each game on the page after we submit a move. This will help greatly in deciding which game to visit next. -- Don


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-20 13:58:05)
chessfriends

I remember that chessfriends.com used to have the opposite rule ie the player with the lower elo advanced in the knockout. I guess their reasoning was if your better rated you should be able to prove it. As Thibault mentioned he may be a victim of the FICGS rule in his match against Farit Balabaev. He has the higher TER and his opponent as taken 4 draws as white by repeating the same 15 move sequence in his 4 white games (1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd 4 Nxd Nf6 5 Nc3 a6 6 Bg5 e6 7 f4 Qb6 8 Qd2 Qxb2 9 Rb1 Qa3 10 f5 Nc6 11 fxe6 fxe6 12 Nxc6 bxc6 13 Be2 Be7 14 0-0 0-0 15 Rb3 Qc5+ 1/2 1/2) Not the greatest advert for cc games! It requires cooperation for this to happen although its dangerous for black to deviate after 9 Rb1. Still there are perfectly viable alternatives IMO in the Najdorf against 6 Bg5 other than this line. I suggest going to a 2 game mini match play off series at 5 days reserve and 1 day per move increment until there is a win. This would provide incentive to go for a result for the higher rated player in the main match. I would retain the lower rated player wins rule for decisive games (but overall draw) for the main match but leave it equal for the playoffs.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-20 16:06:36)
Chessfriend.com

That's right, I remember this opposite rule at Chessfriend server. By the way it may have incited players to lose games to decrease their rating, which is somewhat easier than to increase it.

About my quarter final against Farit, it seems we both had really too many games at this moment, that explains (from me at least) these 4 short draws.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-20 19:32:38)
chessfriend

I dont think its plausible that the rule inspired anyone to lose Thibault -it was for a memorial tournament and although there were (supposedly) cash prizes (which never trasnpired)I think it just inspired the people with the higher rating to try to win. As for your explanation as to why you just bailed out on 4 games its difficult to respond other than to say it doesn't show you supporting your own concept of an 8 game match or the importance of the FICGS "world championship" stage that you had reached. I guess you will take the IECG "world championship" more seriously. I think having 2 game play offs at a fast time rate to a decision is a better way to go.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-20 20:39:56)
chessfriend

As far as I can remember, this way to break the tie was used in most Chessfriend round-robin money tournaments. I have no doubt that some players would have sacrificed their ratings for more chances to win cash prizes... Highest rated players were attracted anyway because they were invited.

About my match, I was simply glad to get these 4 draws easily with the black pieces, it gave me more time to try to win with White (I was in time trouble at this moment). GM Farit Balabaev is a strong correspondence chess player, even if I lose the match, I have no regret about it. Surely I won't play my FICGS WCH games less seriously than my IECG WCH ones :) .. By the way I still hope to play the first candidates final against Gino or Peter :p


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-20 20:42:06)
Forfeits

Many different reasons (often quite bad news), ie. health problems... :/

That's correspondence chess.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-20 21:30:15)
Chess Friend

I did not think there was ever any money paid out in chess friend but I never played in any round robins so I can't comment on the tie break being used in them. As for repeating the same 15 moves in 4 games because you had too many other games it just seesm farcical to me. Everyone is a strong player at that stage but still .... My point about IECG is just that perhaps (understandably) you take that more seriously and would not agree to 4 short meaningless draws because the others are strong and you have a lot of other games going on. The point i was making is that these 4 draws resulted from your tie break system having a higher TER as your opponent attempted to draw his way to victory and you went along with it. You have set up a system that encourages this sort of approach which is anti chess and , arguably, devalues the concept of a "World Championship" What is your objection to 2 game tie breaks involving accelerated cc rates that I suggested?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-20 22:41:17)
Chessfriend

Thanks for info Hannes.

Anyway this story made a lot of noise... and I remember hot discussions at TCCMB when FICGS appeared just after Chessfriend's death :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-20 23:11:48)
chessfriend

Yes tournaments are different from matches but to take 50% of the match games as identical 15 move draws seems extreme and without parallel. Again it can only have been good for Farit to give up all his white games because his higher TER means he can get through by drawing his 4 black games so its really a 4 game match where black wins if he draws the 4 games. Anyway I just think it devalues the event to do that and the tie break rules encourage it - but lets agree to differ!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-21 01:17:34)
(Skip) or (Flip board) ?

Question : Would you prefer the (Skip) option to go to the next game, instead of (Flip board) in the new interface ? .. I can't let both of them, but maybe noone use the flip board one !?


Farit Balabaev    (2007-09-21 13:07:01)
Figlio - Schuster

Dier Chessfriends Thank you for the discussion. Please don't forget, that I've just suffered in the match with Schuster. The match with Thibault is an attempt to draw everybody's attention to this rule. Best wishes, Farit


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-21 18:32:12)
Break the tie

I don't consider "I'm a victim" of this rule :) .. Actually if my match finishes with 8 draws, I'll have simply failed to qualify. Farit's semi-final match with Peter shows this rule is not so unfair, they both won one game. That's probably one reason why he used this strategy against me, which may work but may not work every times. To draw all games is not so easy, it's often quite a losing strategy. Due to the fast time control, the advantage given to the highest rated player is not so big IMO.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-21 18:52:24)
Tie Breaks

Farit just to clarify things, you lost your drawn match against Peter Schuster (despite being the higher rated player) because of the rule that the lower rated player wins in the event of a drawn match, where there has been at least one win by the lower rated player. So the 4 draws by you are drawing attention to the problems with the tie break by rating approach (albeit the higher rated player wins if all games drawn part of the rule) Well at least we understand your side of it - that you were actually making a point. Wolfgang I understand the rule is a compromise no need to cry however surely its right to review the experience and see if we can improve? The problem I have, based on the experience, is that it just makes the site look bad and silly to have 4 identical 15 move games. Thats not chess - in my view its absurd. So lets examine the experience and refine the process. A 2 game play off series at a very fast cc time rate ( 1-5 day reserve + 1 day increment)would, I believe, get a result. Its still a compromise because the time for cc is very short. At the same time lets re -think having the championship every 6 months idea - I think thats a big factor behind Thibault's tie break by rating rule. Its leading to overcrowding and its pretty hard to follow perhaps 1 every 9 months or year? Incidentally Thibault how do you break the tie if both have the same TER? Just a thought!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-21 22:00:03)
Tie Breaks

There are 8-games matches since the very first round, so this extra delay would happen each round (1d+1d/move means at least 4 months, also add vacation) :/ I think too long cycles is a problem. With the current formula a complete cycle (including the final match against previous winner) lasts 2 years and a half. If we add tie breaks, it could last between 4 & 5 years and more players may forget to play next rounds... I don't feel it, definitely.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-21 22:05:26)
Other points

About the second point, there may be an improvement, undoubtly. About the third one, if there wasn't this special rule, such short draws may happen the same way and partly for the same reasons (too many games).


Dan Rotaru    (2007-09-22 01:16:27)
Games download

Excellent update and new interface, thank you very much Thibault. I really like the new feature which allows to download all games in a particular tournament. On this note it really would be nice to be able to download all one's games in progress. If playing few tournaments in the same time it is not practical to download all of them. Also what about being able to download all the games finished on FICGS from the beginning to date?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-22 01:36:25)
Rybka vs. Zappa Mexico

While Anand, Kramnik and the other top chess players fight for the FIDE crown, it seems that another match is taking place in Mexico : Rybka vs. Zappa "Mexico".

http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=1239#more-1239


More info at Rybka forum - http://rybkaforum.net


Garvin Gray    (2007-09-22 06:25:41)
walk in the park


Tough match for Rybka

Are you sure about that? Zappa programmers have only worked on upgrading the engine for eight days and before that they were in 'retirement' with no major updates coming out since Zanzibar. Zappa has admitted that 'Zappa Mexico' wont be much of an upgrade from Zanzibar.

Rybka has been upgraded and tuned many times since Zappa won the WCC. I think Rybka should win this match 6-4 or 7-3 with no losses.



Andrew Stephenson    (2007-09-23 13:23:38)
Log out

Thibault I get logged out of the site automatically after a certain time is there anyway I can extend the time before the sysytem logs me out forcing me to log back in?


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2007-09-23 17:24:17)
50 moves rule

Hello Wolfgang,

look at the Playing rules (http://ficgs.com/membership.html#playing, 11.3.a.)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-24 01:04:39)
Rybka vs. Zappa

What a surprise... Zappa now leading the match 3,5-1,5

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=2228

Even if Rybka plays without tablebases, the point is "The match will be played on two identical 8-cores computers"... So it probably means that Zappa's author Anthony Cozzie did it really well while implementing multi-processors engine. It would be interesting to know the performance of both engines compared to single processor version. Can Rybka be improved significantly this way ?! .. We'll see it soon, anyway nice to see a "real match" :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-24 01:16:36)
My games or My messages

Hi Don ;)

Why... why... why such good questions ? :) .. well, I quite like to see all games notations first, to look for the game I'll think about before without clicking all of them. Anyway, taste & colors only ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-24 02:13:51)
1st FICGS freestyle cup

Dear chessfriends,

The 1st FICGS freestyle cup waiting list is open ! .. This advanced chess or more commonly said "freestyle" (computers, teams, everything allowed) swiss tournament will happen on 2007 October 20 & 21 (14 pm, 17 pm, 20 pm server time), time control : 1 hour + 15 seconds / move. Entry fee is 10 E-Points (10 Euros), prize is 100% of E-Points (see rules/membership).

Thanks to players who broadcasted the news on the web already !


Denis Chumakov    (2007-09-24 12:59:29)
SM, FEM, FIM

Hi! What is Titles SM, FEM, FIM?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-24 13:41:00)
SM, FEM, FIM

Hi Denis, see :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles

EM = Email Master, IM = International Master, SM = Senior International Master, GM = Grand Master

... so

FEM = FICGS Email Master, FIM = FICGS International Master, FSM = FICGS Senior International Master, FGM = FICGS Grand Master


Denis Chumakov    (2007-09-24 14:23:59)
SM, FEM, FIM

Thibault de Vassal! Thank you!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-25 21:03:09)
Title norms

Hi Garvin, sorry for the delay :)

A title norm (FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM) can be achieved in a correspondence chess tournament with at least 7 players and 6 games played per player.

More explanations and % table :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-25 22:00:51)
4,5 - 2,5

Another draw today (I read "wild draw and missed win from Zappa"). It seems that Zappa is going to win the match... but is this result significant as the engines worked on 8 cores ?! .. Hard to say, I just wonder if/how Rybka's performances can be improved on such computers...


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-09-26 15:25:11)
4,5 - 2,5

Thibault, this result of a small nuumber of games has no statistical significance. But Zappa seems to be a very strong engine!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-26 18:45:47)
Chess, love... ego

In a discussion where Susan Polgar (in her new forum, see link below) encourages members to ask questions to strong OTB GM & IM, I suggested to ask them :

"...how the venue of Rybka and other engines crushing them OTB (ie. Hydra-Adams) in classical games affected their love of the game ! .. More than learning us & them humility, obviously noone can feel the same than Bobby Fischer in front of the chessboard anymore (and probably before him also). How can a human player love the game like he did, nowadays ? .. What is the place of the ego in this strange relationship ? Finally... do they play other games more and more as time passes ?"

An interesting point, undoubtly to be discussed, is the place of ego in the love of the game IMO. Go players may have an interesting point in this discussion ;)


http://www.chessdiscussion.com

http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=196


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-27 21:57:34)
New update (2007-09-27)

A new update :

- Private messages facility (see bottom of My messages) has been implemented, you can send a message that will be sent by email to your opponent. You can disallow other members to send messages to you in Preferences

- Now you'll be redirected to the next game by default after sending your move. You can change this option in Preferences.

- Go scorer, now much more convenient, you just have to click on the groups to remove before to score the game.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2007-09-28 00:36:03)
Comment

This remark was made by past freestyle winner Equidistance in the rybka forum: "This FICGS site is very unclear, impossible to find anything. No clear summary about what these e-points are all about, very long terms and conditions, really I doubt anybody will spend so much time to even find the page about Freestyle Cup, which is hidden under one of many menus." Maybe navigation could be made easier for new players interested in the tournament.


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2007-09-28 01:07:38)
empty page

This is just a little issue: When I submit a move, and no game with pending moves is left, an empty page is displayed. I think it would be better to return to the games page immediately.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-28 01:11:35)
empty page

That's right ! .. Thanks, I'll update it soon.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-28 02:56:48)
E-Points

A summary about E-Points has been added to the terms and conditions :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#epoints

"E-Points : To summarize previous Entry fees and Prize money sections, you can buy E-Points (1 E-Point is worth 1 Euro, see My account after you connect to the server) then play money tournaments with entry fees and prizes (bronze, silver, gold) with low rakes in E-Points, finally ask for money prizes instead of E-Points for the tournaments you choose : According to the prize won, you'll be paid 0,75 Euro per E-Point remaining in your account. Consequently the more tournaments you play before to ask for a money prize, the lower is the cost per game (prizes in E-Points reach up to 99 % of the entry fees, 100 % for the chess freestyle cup)."


Feel free to tell me if it is not clear enough... I've also updated the Help section about how to enter the freestyle cup & E-Points.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-28 03:01:14)
Invitation to FIDE, FICGS, ICCF GM & IM

Just added to the FICGS chess freestyle cup rules :

"FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free until one week before the start of the tournament ! .. Please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register. You may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card."


Strong titled players may be interested in winning the title & prize, other players may be interested in playing them...


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2007-09-28 08:09:33)
Question about e-points

A quote from the rules: "When you buy tickets, a virtual account in E-Points is created (or modified) with a limited lifetime of 2 years, meaning the account will be emptied at the end of this period. Member's account lifetime will be reconducted each time tickets are bought by the member. The number of E-Points added to the account is the amount in Euros paid to FICGS. Tickets are not paid back." This means i lost the E-Points after 2 years? So what i do with E-Points if: "Tickets for tournaments (E-Points) can't be sold to other members, exchanged with cash money or paid back" In the summary that you wrote you said: "... then play money tournaments with entry fees and prizes (bronze, silver, gold) with low rakes in E-Points, finally ask for money prizes instead of E-Points for the tournaments you choose" This is not clear. For example, I join a gold tournament i must choose before hand if i want E-Points or a money prize. Also why i want to play more tournaments before redeeming a money prize if i could do nothing with my remaing E-Points (see above) Any help in my queries will be appreciated.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-28 11:23:24)
Tickets / E-Points

Ok, I'll clarify that. It means that you can choose AFTER a tournament to ask for a money prize (exchanged with E-Points as a prize, not a redeeming). About the 2 years, it means that you have to ask for money prizes if you don't buy more E-Points until this delay - there must be such limits in time, but the aim is surely not to apply such a rule - anyway if you buy ie 10 more E-Points, the account lifetime is reconduced.

In brief, tickets are E-Points you buy, prizes are E-Points or money you win after a tournament.

I'll update it today.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-29 14:03:55)
Publication of a private message

No, only 45,000 Euros and 1 year :)

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnArticleDeCode?commun=CPENAL&art=226-15

"Le fait, commis de mauvaise foi, d'ouvrir, de supprimer, de retarder ou de détourner des correspondances arrivées ou non à destination et adressées à des tiers, ou d'en prendre frauduleusement connaissance, est puni d'un an d'emprisonnement et de 45000 euros d'amende. Est puni des mêmes peines le fait, commis de mauvaise foi, d'intercepter, de détourner, d'utiliser ou de divulguer des correspondances émises, transmises ou reçues par la voie des télécommunications ou de procéder à l'installation d'appareils conçus pour réaliser de telles interceptions."


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-01 05:20:50)
Tablebases : Mate in 517+

While I was checking some positions in 6-pieces tablebases, I was wondering what was the longest win found in tablebases so far...

I found the answer here (new record established in May 2006) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase#Endgame_theory

"For some years, this position held the record for the longest computer-generated forced mate. (Otto Blathy had composed a mate in 292 moves problem already in 1889.) However, in May 2006, Bourzutschky and Konoval discovered a KQNKRBN position with an astonishing DTC of 517 moves. This was more than twice as long as Stiller's maximum, and almost 200 moves beyond the previous record of DTC = 330 for a position of KQBNKQB_1001."

What I just can't understand is how is it possible not to know the DTM (Distance To Mate) while knowing the DTC (Distance To Conversion) ?!

Anyway, amazing ! .. Any taker ? :)


Hannes Rada    (2007-10-01 19:21:49)
Chess Books

What is your favourite chess book ? I bought 6 volumes of G. Kasparov's 'My great predecessors' and I really like them. Quite interesting to see how the style of the champions changed during many years.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-01 19:43:30)
Kasparov CC

I wonder what would look like a Kasparov correspondence chess game !? .. I think he would feel frustrated quite quickly :)

By the way, I remember that Peter Leko played some correspondence chess games at ICCF... Well, a first Google search "Peter Leko correspondence chess games" gives a thread at FICGS without the information.. those spammers are annoying :) .. Also this page with a CC game (unfinished) of Bobby Fischer :

http://www.uschess.org/cc/dunne/alexjul01.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-01 19:48:57)
Endgames by Ludek Pachman

"Les finales" from "Elementary Theory" (?! translated from french) by Ludek Pachman... Endgames are the most interesting and deepest part of the game IMO :)


Hannes Rada    (2007-10-01 20:21:51)
Kasparov CC

If I remember correctly Garry once stated that he could win such a title easily, because he is superior in analyzing chess positions. Could be true, or not ? van Oosterom - Kasparov at CC conditions, what is your prediction ? Maybe Garry has an advantage because he can analyze deeper within a specific time unit due to his superior chess knowledge and experience.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-02 03:45:44)
Update : Crosstables and Big Chess

A new update, now tournament crosstables link to games (in a new window), which is a more convenient way to find a particular game in a tournament. Click the magnifying glass next to the tournament's name, then on a symbol (1, 0, =, *) in the crosstable and a new window will appear with the game.

Also a new category in special tournaments : Big Chess masters (2000+), waiting for a complete category for Big Chess. Reminder : Your first Big Chess rating is your current Correspondence Chess rating - 300 (see your ratings in Preferences), so a player CC rated 2300+ without a Big Chess rating can enter the Big Chess masters waiting list.


Don Groves    (2007-10-02 05:32:52)
Rating lists

It is good to have a rating list now for active players, that list is much shorter. But still, I see a problem. I checked only one person for this but I'm sure there are others -- this person is playing several games of Chess and no games of Go, yet is on the list of active Go players. IMHO, the active players lists should be limited to those currently active in each game.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-03 15:16:42)
Update : Rating changes

Rating changes for advanced chess (bullet, lightning, blitz), big chess & Go are now mentioned in emails when a game is finished.


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-10-07 17:02:50)
time increment

A 000027. game 14107. I dont understand this tournament time control i guess. I have been making moves this game but the time increment isnt happening. If continues i will loose on time.....What am I missing Thibault ? Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-07 18:36:20)
increment : 40 days / 10 moves

Hi Wayne, time control is 40 days + 40 days per 10 moves, meaning 40 days will be added to your clock after move 10, move 20, move 30 and so on... You just have to play your next (tenth) move to gain 40 days more ;)


Garvin Gray    (2007-10-07 19:59:31)
winner :)

I am claiming 1st place in the southern hemisphere division :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-09 14:49:05)
Cracking Go less than a decade away ?

I just read this astonishing article in the last American Go E-Journal :

“I believe that a world-champion-level Go machine can be built within 10 years, based on the same method of intensive analysis—brute force, basically—that Deep Blue employed for chess,” wrote Feng - Hsiung Hsu (r) in “Cracking Go,” a provocative article in the October issue of IEEE Spectrum, published by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). (...) "with some optimization a machine that can search a trillion positions per second would be enough to play Go at the very highest level."


Looks serious... Any opinion ?


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2007-10-10 13:28:11)
Cracking Go

This statement seems to relate not so much to Go but more on projected calculation power of supercomputers. My impression is that "provocative" is the main intent here.


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2007-10-10 13:32:04)
Why clump?

What is the advantage of this in comparison to an increment of 4 days per move?


Don Groves    (2007-10-11 01:03:35)
Cracking Go...

I don't agree, Thibault. If your statement were true, how do you explain that computers can play at nearly the highest level on a 9x9 board today, yet not on the larger sizes?


Don Groves    (2007-10-11 02:08:40)
Cracking Go

Svante Carl von Erichsen escrit: "This statement seems to relate not so much to Go but more on projected calculation power of supercomputers. My impression is that "provocative" is the main intent here." No, my intent was serious, only the small joke at the end was not ;-) By making the goban lager, Go can avoid the fate of Chess regarding brute force analysis. Even at a trillion moves per second, as mentioned in the article quoted by Thibault, brute force analysis will fail if there are trillions of trillions of trillions of possible moves!


Don Groves    (2007-10-11 23:33:36)
knowledge and 9x9, etc...

My 0.02€: Chess has rules which make it easier to program than Go. Just one example, when the King is in check, the search tree of possible moves is pruned enormously. Go has no analog to this. Until the endgame, even when several pieces are in atari there still may be a better move than saving them. As for "playing like a master...," Chess is far more local than is Go. In Go, the whole board must be nearly always in focus, not so in Chess where losing a local battle can spell almost certain defeat. Another factor in making Go so difficult to analyze is the evaluation function which the program uses to decide on the best move. This is far easier to do for Chess than for Go. Maybe I'll start working on a Go program, just to prove myself wrong ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-12 01:55:21)
knowledge and 9x9, etc...

I agree :) .. Definitely chess & Go are very different games. Just like one dimension more in Go, so one doesn't know how to implement such an algorithm & evaluation function well yet, but it started and it should be possible anyway. Let's resume this discussion in about 10 years :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-12 22:11:47)
Reminder : Invitation to GM, SM, IM

"FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the Freestyle Cup waiting list for free until one week before the start of the tournament ! .. Please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register. You may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card."

One more day for titled players to register for free !


Philip Roe    (2007-10-15 16:56:55)
Chess 960 masterpieces

Have there been any games of chess 960 played, of a quality that would justify them being included in an anthology of great games? If so, I would like to see some.


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-06-28 00:27:36)
Android App not working

Thank you all for your help, now I just updated all FICGS apps at Google Play Store. It could solve the problem for everyone (at least it worked for one user already)...

Any feedback is welcome! As you can see, it really helps :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-15 17:39:41)
Chess 960 masterpieces

After a small investigation, I can only suppose yes.. but chess 960 obviously still needs someone to highlight them :)


Garvin Gray    (2007-10-15 17:49:02)
slippery slope


Sorry to say, but I am against this re-instatement. Main reason is the slippery slope effect.

Also what happens if in another game a player claims that they moved the wrong knight and the opponent says too bad or your responsible for moving correctly?

The recriminations and ill feeling could result.

Sorry but Peter is responsible for the moves he makes and his actions towards those moves.

It should be a double win to igame.



Andrey Sumets    (2007-10-16 14:00:03)
....

I have no any objections to allow recovering of both Pligin - Schuster games. Moreover, I think that this fair play will comletely corespond to the frienly status of this match. Both games between our captain and the finalist of your world championship are extremely interesting and wish them to be recovered a.s.a.p.


Philip Roe    (2007-10-18 00:40:41)
Feynman on Go

In a 1985 lecture, Nobel laureate Richard Feynman said that creating an expert program for Go would be a scientific project of very high importance. His reason was that he did not believe that it could done by brute force, and that it would therefore compel researchers to grapple with the problem of just how human beings manage to do what they do with seemingly meager processing power.

Of course brute force has come a long way in 20 years, but my impression is that virtually no progress has been made of the kind that Feynman hoped to see. Does anyone know otherwise?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-19 22:18:09)
Freestyle cup starts tomorrow, 2 pm.

10 players entered the waiting list !

As we still need more players, titled players (GM, SM, IM) may register for free until saturday 1 pm. server time, please email me. Prize is 80 E-Points at the moment.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-20 05:17:30)
Rybka 3, Fritz 11, Shredder 11...

Rybka 3, Fritz 11, Shredder 11, also Chessmaster 11... new versions of many engines are announced or coming (Fritz 11 - end of november).

It is said in computer chess forums that one secret of Rybka may be "table of exchanges", in other words knowledge, added to a 'simple' & very fast engine typically like Fruit. Many now think that other engines may catch Rybka in a while, but we might have to wait for the thirteen series at least IMO :)

Anyway, the battle continues... Also waiting for Hiarcs 12 !


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-20 14:57:47)
"My games"

.. at the bottom of the page, but it seems you saw it already :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-21 01:07:45)
Go freestyle tournament

What do you think about a Go freestyle tournament, just like FICGS chess freestyle cup ?

A problem is to define the best time control and number of rounds... With about 100 to 120 moves per game & per player, time control 30+10 means 2 hours per round. As there's no draw at Go, 5 or 6 rounds played in a single day could be ok to find a winner. Any opinion ?

Another question is : Are there players interested to play it ? .. Entry fee would be 10 E-Points / 10 Euros, prize 100% entry fees in E-Points (or 75% for a money prize). It may attract some strong players for interesting games :)


William Taylor    (2007-10-21 01:47:07)
Nice idea

I'd be interested in playing. 5 or 6 games of go in one day sounds a bit tough, unless they were blitz/fast games (considerably quicker than 30 + 10). Go tournaments can be played with fewer rounds than chess tournaments - I'm playing one next weekend which is only 3 rounds, but that does seem too short to guarantee a clear winner.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-21 22:23:54)
round times

That's a problem :/ .. Actually I don't really know how to deal with that.


Don Groves    (2007-10-22 07:14:48)
Re: Kasparov and humour

Hi, Dinesh -- Kasparov seemed so relaxed and spontaneous with his humour on the show, it seemed like he had been that way all his life. Maybe he has been lurking on FICGS for quite a while ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-22 15:07:45)
Update : Interface

The interface for fast moves has been updated, now it shows the move number. The (Flip) (Skip) duet disppeared, replaced by symbols and a shortcut to public comments.. I hope everyone see it correctly.

Also a few minor bugs corrected & improvements...

The titles page has been updated - http://www.ficgs.com/titles.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-23 02:59:46)
Time zones

I'm to add the waiting list, Go "freestyle" cup will be a 6 rounds swiss tournament... Chess & Go freestyle tournaments will occur at the same time. Rounds will start at 15:00, 18:00, 21:00 server time on 2 consecutive days.

Time zones are a problem for players from ie. New Zealand, but it should be ok for players from Moscow to New-York.

Time control will be 1 hour + 10 seconds per move.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-23 23:36:17)
Go freestyle tournament rules

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#go_freestyle

Players ranked 3 dan or higher are invited to enter the waiting list for free...


Don Groves    (2007-10-26 07:45:43)
Stolen elections

There is much evidence that the vote count was manipulated in favor of Bush both in 2000 and 2004. The states of Florida and Ohio were suspected both times. In Ohio, the president of the company that makes most of the US voting machines said in 2000 that he would do everything he could to insure that Bush was elected. His voting machines leave no paper trail, so recounting votes manually is impossible -- we are left to trust the machines! Such is the state of political affairs in our so-called democracy. One of Hitler's minions, I forget which one, said "it doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes."


James Stripes    (2007-10-26 17:29:58)
RE Stolen elections

I can report that since 1972, in August of the election year I have offered my prediction for every Presidential race in the US. I have been wrong only in 2000, and that one went to the US Supreme Court over the counting of Florida's votes.


Ulrich Imbeck    (2007-10-26 23:28:42)
voting machines

The famous hacker organisation "Chaos Computer Club" is against voting machines. On their website is a analyse about a voting machine from the netherlands on pdf. http://www.ccc.de/updates/2007/wahlcomputer-ausgemustert?language=en The same pdf is http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/other/es3b-en.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club The voting machine will not be used in the Netherlands.


Don Groves    (2007-10-27 02:49:01)
Voting machines

The US now has some states banning voting machines also. But the states that favor the neo-conservative (more correctly, neo-fascist) status quo in our country will keep using them. Another vote-stealing effort that has been used in Florida and probably others as well, is challenging poor and minority citizens over their right to vote. Often these people cannot prove their resident status and so they are deprived of their rights. A tactic used in Ohio in 2004 was to put very few voting booths in minority neighborhoods, forcing voters to stand in long lines. When the polls closed, those still in line were told to go home. Politics is a very ugly business...


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-10-27 15:11:26)
Still on leave ...

... until November, the 4th! Best from my holidays on Mallorca, Wolfgang


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-10-31 18:51:22)
Deep Shredder 11 available

Amsterdam 2007 blitz world champion, Mainz 2006 World Computer Chess960 Champion, Reykjavik 2005 blitz world champion, Tel Aviv 2004 blitz world champion, Graz 2003 computer chess world champion & blitz world champion and so on...

No, that is not Rybka :) .. Deep Shredder 11 is now available and said by Chessbase to have an improved strength of 100 points elo, actually about 80 according to CEGT computer chess 40/20 rating list, which is not bad at all ! .. Evaluation function (passed pawns..) seems to be the main improved part of the engine.

Congrats to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4218

Did someone try the new engine ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-01 21:56:57)
Ratings in waiting lists

Hello Marc,

As Don said, ratings displayed in waiting lists are current ratings, so it happens when players enter a waiting list before their rating decrease.

Anyway, I changed the rating range for CHESS RAPID M category to 2100 to find more players, if this is not ok for you, I can remove you from the list.

Best wishes, Thibault


Marc Lacrosse    (2007-11-01 22:56:53)
??

"if this is not ok for you, I can remove you from the list."

I never enrolled for this tournament and I am not on the list ...

I just had a look as I was searching for a possible new tournament with higher ratings ...

Marc


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-11-02 00:13:09)
Change in class M rapid

Thibault I dont like that change at all. When I signed the entry was 2200. I do not like that to be lowered to 2100/ I think the division was just fine. Ive been busting my butt to get to that 2200 window. Would you please remove me from the waiting list. Thank you wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-11-02 00:16:42)
Change in class M rapid

Why in the world would you make an important change like that without consultation of your members. One member complained and you made a change like that ? Your bad my friend Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-11-02 00:20:53)
remove me please

okey dokie, please remove me, as I posted I think it is a lousy change. The higher that class the less the response, what is suprizing about that. It is not a matter of interest. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-02 20:55:37)
Videogames & the future of Board Games

Quite funny to see the same discussion on GoDiscussions.com and ChessDiscussion.com forums :

http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=457
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4644

<<

Apparently, two years ago there was a major exhibition sponsored by the Asia Society in American museums called "Asian Games: The Art of Contest." I have been fortunate enough to get a copy of the exhibition book. I found a quote there that I would like you to comment on:

“We hope that this exhibition, in addition to persuading visitors of the historical importance of games, will also stimulate an interest in playing board games. As computer gamers sit in solitary oblivion frantically pressing buttons to manipulate images on screens, it is worth considering how such games could have succeeded, to a large extent, in eclipsing real board games. The answer may be that they have appropriated much of the best of traditional board games. But it is also worth pointing out that the appeal of most electronic games is ephemeral. Ask a teenager if he still plays the same game he played two years ago, and the answer will inevitably be no. We can predict with confidence that twenty years from now, of the electronic games currently in fashion, it is only those versions of classic board games—chess, weiqi/go and perhaps backgammon—that will still enjoy widespread popularity. Does the future of chess, weiqi and backgammon, then, lie solely in electronic media? We hope not. However convenient it may be to play chess or weiqi on the internet, nothing can replace the face-to-face social interaction of real games playing—and indeed the attraction of such games as spectacle. It is no coincidence that there is a trend now among jaded electronic games players to return to board games. This renewed interest undoubtedly reflects the need to compete with a real (as opposed to real-time) person. But there may be another reason for this development. The physical satisfaction of holding a well-crafted gaming piece or die, or of hearing the sonorous click of the pieces as they are placed on the board, does not exist in an electronic universe. No culture better understood the aesthetics of games than the Japanese, whose go, sugoroku, and shogi boards were not only objects of exquisite beauty, but were also designed to enhance the sound of piece struck against board. If, in addition to stimulating more research on Asian games, this exhibition prompts some of its visitors to take up chess, xiangqi, or weiqi—or even better, to work out the rules of liubo—then we will be entirely satisfied.”

Colin Mackenzie and Irving Finkel, “Preface”, Asian Games: The Art of Contest (Asia Society), p. 17

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Interesting !


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-03 05:26:32)
Free engines to download

I see that Fruit 2.3.x and Toga II 1.3.x series (and of course Rybka 1.0) are still the best free chess engines to download, quite near Chessbase engines strength.

Shredder 11 seems to be sold with Fritz 10 interface and old 2007 chess games database, a good reason to buy forthcoming Fritz 11 ;) .. I assume that Chessbase will focus on the interface and Chessbase 11 (or.. 10, 12 ?! hard to follow)

Which is the current best free engine to help in correspondence chess games in your opinion ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-04 03:51:27)
Thematic tournaments #38, #39

Thematic tournament #38 just started, line is sicilian poisoned pawn variation (10.e5), the next thematic tournament will be about this complex line also.

Games to follow !


Joseph Thomas    (2007-11-04 04:19:15)
Deep Shredder 11

There seems to a good amount of improvement in engine strength. I have a copy of Shredder 11 UCI, but I haven't had it long enough to really test its strength on my own. Apparently according to the CCRL it cracked the top five programs and should be about equal to Zappa Mexico. I wonder where Fritz and Junior 11 will end up?


Michael Mueller-Toepler    (2007-11-04 13:03:40)
New tournament

Dear Chessfriends, I have an idea for a new tournament. Swiss System: 20 players, 12 rounds 2 games at saturday, 2 games at sunday over three weeks. What is your opinion to my proposal? Greetings from Munich Michael


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-04 15:32:57)
Swiss tournaments

Hello Michael, more rounds probably means less players and less tournaments (freestyle cups), it is a quite hard format, also for the organizer :)

By the way, why 20 players ? An advantage of swiss system is it doesn't depend on the number of participants.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-04 17:06:41)
Swiss tournaments

Ok, anyway 30 or 50 would be better :) .. A problem with such a 12 rounds tournament is to be sure to find enough players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-06 15:41:01)
Go categories

In response to a french player who thinks that it could be harder to reach the 600 points mark (15 kyu) in the Kyu category :

Bonjour... A propos des catégories Kyu, je pense au contraire que ce sera encore l'une des catégories les plus jouées, sinon la plus jouée. L'écart de 500 points par catégorie est encore un peu grand mais devrait permettre l'accession assez rapidement à la catégorie au dessus car : 1. Les classements pris en compte à chaque résultat sont les classements en cours (non TER). 2. Le calcul fait en sorte que le classement des vainqueurs progresse assez rapidement. 3. J'enregistrerai plus de nouveaux joueurs à 17 ou 18 kyu au lieu de 20 kyu... 4. S'il y avait des catégories jusque 30 kyu, il y aurait moins de joueurs dans chacune... En bref, je pense que dans la pratique cela ira.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-07 21:36:55)
Go game 9307 score

Could someone confirm that according to FICGS rules (chinese counting, Komi 7.5), the score in game 9307 after removing groups m17, h3 is W+0.5

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=score&game=9307

Actually my opponent should have won the game, his first pass (probably because of a bad count) just gave me the point I needed :/ .. Now an interesting question, as there's no possible draw (that's a pity), would you resign in such a case ?

Thanks for your answers.


Mikhail Ruzin    (2007-11-08 10:54:22)
Go game 9307 score

Yes, according to FICGS rules (chinese counting, Komi 7.5), the score in game 9307 after removing groups m17, h3 is W+0.5 Black pass is fatal mistake. The second question is too hard 8)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-09 01:05:28)
Chess sponsorship

An interesting discussion about chess sponsorship started on ChessDiscussions.com (Susan Polgar forums)

http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=504

Several issues : "How to bring chess to the masses ?", "How to make chess a show ?", "What kind of sponsorship is possible ?"

Susan obviously thinks that OTB chess still has a great potential and that organizations could do much better to promote it... Here's my last response in the thread (reminds some old threads here) :

<<<

In other words, you say that chess has a show-potential like any other sport that could be used and that isn't...

For sure traditional marketing methods could help to promote OTB chess, and chess organizations could do much better... but is chess "bankable", just like an actor ? .. I just saw one more comparison between chess & poker in the thread "How to bring chess to the masses", but there's a major problem in chess that doesn't exist in poker or soccer : "everything can't happen", at least at a first sight, actually the way people can see it...

FIDE tried to change some things, ie. time controls, wch cycle but that's not enough, obviously. Anyone can win a lost hand at texas hold'em against any professional player, like any 2nd division soccer team can beat the Real Madrid once... Of course long-time statistics will be always favourable to the best players, but it takes a much longer time... Everything can happen in any event in these games (poker wch, soccer world cup). The probability for a real surprise that makes buzz is much lower at chess, the same best players invariably play the best tournaments, won statistically (ie.) 20% by Anand, 19% by Topalov, 18% by Kramnik and so on... quite boring.

The only interesting chess events follow the same scheme : David vs. Goliath, the buzz-genius 12 boy vs. Kramnik, mystery-Deep Blue vs. Kasparov, Anna Kournikova vs. Fischer & so on... nowadays the man vs. machine match is no more interesting since any home computer is stronger than HAL 9000 or Kramnik and there's no clear world champion (too many FIDE wch, different cycles..)

Chess needs real events and I'm curious to see the ones "that could bring chess to the masses" in the future... Maybe I'm a bit pessimistic, at least for OTB chess, but I'm very interested to see how good marketing methods will be able to transform our chess world... Just wait, hope & see :)

Best regards, Thibault

>>>


I'm now working again on SEO (Search Engines Optimization) for FICGS, more and more players find us via Google... Of course one next step is to sponsor the FICGS WCH & freestyle tournaments but it is a hard task for sure... All comment and suggestions on this issue are welcome :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-11 05:08:02)
Number of games limitation

Hello all.

The current number of running games limitation before the program blocks the access to new standard or rapid tournaments is 60 (which doesn't mean the number of running games is limited to 60)

After having experienced myself the "too many games" effects (more than 80 games, quite stressful and time consuming), and after a few general forfeits by players who probably reached the overdose, I decided to change some parameters to prevent such consequences. In a previous discussion, it had been concluded that it was up to each player to manage this and eventually to take the risk, but definitely too many correspondence games is not the same than playing chess all day.

The number of running games limitation before the program blocks the access to new standard or rapid tournaments (but world championships cycles) will be 30, once more it doesn't mean the number of running games will be limited to 30... Of course faster tournaments will remain unlimited. It should accelerate running games, prevent general forfeits, and help us not to become chess machines, at least "correspondence chess machines" :)

Best wishes, Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-11 17:53:24)
2nd FICGS chess freestyle

The 2nd FICGS chess freestyle cup waiting list is open. This 6 rounds swiss tournament will start on november 24, 15:00 server time. Time control is 1 hour + 15 seconds / move. Entry fee is 10 E-Points (10 Euro). Prize is 100% of the entry fees in E-Points.

FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free, please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register (you may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card).

Definitely we need strong players to rivalize with SIM Eros Riccio :)


Philip Roe    (2007-11-11 19:16:42)
cui bono?

Thibault,

I'm not at all clear what your proposal is intended to achieve.

Are you trying to save us from ourselves? Ruined careers, failed marriages, social withdrawal, vitamin deficiency...? If so I can't imagine a one-size-fits-all solution.

Or are you protecting other players from the phenomenon of a player who takes on a large number of games and then, for whatever reason, forfeits many of them? This seems to happen regrettably often and for that purpose it seems perfectly reasonable to ask people to qualify before managing a large number of games. Can you pull any statistics that might be revealing?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-11 19:33:21)
Save our souls :)

Hi Philip... No, the aim is not exactly to save carriers, marriages or whatever, but it may help in some cases :)

The main problem is to see general forfeits from serious players who were playing 60, 80 or more games.. I have no statistics but I see every game result, so it is quite obvious to me when a player forfeits all his ongoing games. So in a way, I'd like to protect everyone, players and their opponents, from this.


Lincoln Tomlin    (2007-11-12 00:06:07)
How about...

Hi Thibault and all, I'd agree that 30 games at a time seems reasonable and should be fairer for all with regard forfeiting games. But how about setting the ceiling to, say, 30 games max and then if a player achieves, say, 1.5X their ceiling in unforfeited games then the ceiling rises, say, another 10 games? 30 games to start with and when 45 games have been finished they may play 40 games at one time. The when 60 games have been played.. etc etc. Just a thought. Some responsibility seems reasonable. Regards, Link


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-12 00:51:23)
Number of games limitation

Hello Lincoln and welcome to the forum :)

Of course you're right, there may be better rules and an optimized system to reduce the effects of this problem in both directions... My philosophy so far for this server is "make it simple" and to keep the rules as short as possible (well, the rules & conditions page size is quite huge already), moreover it is not obvious to detect forfeits automatically but I'll try to think about such improvements later.


Lincoln Tomlin    (2007-11-12 01:01:40)
Number of games limitation

That's fair enough Thibault, I agree. Keeping things simple seems a good policy to stick with. I'm glad that I didn't mention my idea of basing the number of games on what star-sign we are born under now. ;) Link


Dan Rotaru    (2007-11-12 01:14:40)
Number of games limitation

I think that limiting the number of games is a good idea, and I have a feeling reading the posts that the issue is not if to do it but the number of games. 40 seems to be a reasonable number. FICGS is still free for corr chess and people are tempted to play too many games at once which not only dilute the quality of the games but leads to too many forfeits. I was horrified some time ago when one of my opponent confessed that he had about 230 games in progress on various sites including FICGS. I believe that even for very strong players too many games will reduce the quality of some games and I am not talking about chess knowledge but about the possibility to do a mistake as the good move in the wrong game.


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-11-12 15:41:17)
In my experience...

Anything above 40 games is too much.I peaked at about 60 games (IIRC), for me, that is too much, and, IMO, anything above 40 games is too much. Others might be able to play more with no problem, but still...

I think 40 games might be ok, 50 maybe, but no more.

You might consider giving players some control of the limits.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-11-14 12:54:32)
new rapid category

Thibault please reconsider your decision and set up a 2000 - 2200 rapid tournament which I think will fill up quickly. there are about 60 active players rated 2000 - 2200 and of these about 5 have more than 10 games going. 2 of these (Jason and Sandor) probably wont enter a 2000-2200 rapid as they are qualified and down for higher level tournaments.If the rapids are for players up to 2200 why have you got higher rated rapid tournaments? Lets get more chess played isnt that what its all about? Incidentally the standard ratings of 2000-2400 and 2200-2600 seems a mistake as no one above 2200 will enter the 2200-2400 tournament. Has anyone else got any views on having a 2000-2200 rapid category?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-14 18:47:42)
Cross over & rating cut off

Hi Garvin, that's an interesting idea to have different rating cut off for Standard & Rapid tournaments ! .. Cross over is not a problem IMO, but Rapid tournaments could be displayed this way :

1) Rapid M (2300+), Rapid A (1900-2300), Rapid B (1500-1900) ... ~400
2) Rapid M (2300+), Rapid A (2100-2300), Rapid B (1900-2100) ... ~200
3) Rapid M (2100+), Rapid A (1700-2100), Rapid B (1300-1700) ... ~400
4) Rapid M (2100+), Rapid A (1900-2100), Rapid B (1700-1900) ... ~200

Make your choice :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-11-15 17:37:28)
Not 400 window tho

I think a window of 400 as suggested is bad, too wide...a player of 1900 playing a 2400 player is not conducive for advancement of the 2400 player, hence he would not enter. for example to be honest, I a 2200+ player would not enter such a category, just being honest. Wayne


Robert Mueller    (2007-11-18 08:52:18)
Class M Waiting List

Hello Thibault, I noticed that in the Chess Class M (ELO 2200-2600) Waiting List there are two players with a rating of well under 2200 (2174 and 2147). I suppose, they had a rating higher that 2200 when they signed up, but dropped under 2200 before the tournament was started. Shouldn't they be removed from the waiting list now?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-18 15:21:04)
Class M Waiting List

Hello Robert, it wouldn't be conventional to remove players from waiting lists IMO. These players just lost their 2200+ rating but they probably deserve to play this tournament. Rating considered is the one you have when you enter a waiting list. Kind of "last chance" :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2007-11-18 23:00:53)
Remove me please

Thibault please remove me from Rapid M waiting list #9. I give up on it and I entered standard class M # 15 and it opened up and were playing too my delight. I do not want to be overloaded, I am sorry to ask this,. thank you Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-19 01:45:52)
Done

Hi Wayne, you've been removed from the list.


Xuan Feng    (2007-11-19 02:00:07)
so

you guys play games by email ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-19 02:07:51)
server based games

No, of course :) .. there are interfaces for each game played here, see tournaments & games. When a tournament starts, your moves can be notified to you by email but you have to connect to the server to play your moves.

See also Help - http://www.ficgs.com/help.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-19 02:50:40)
Fritz 11

Fritz 11 is now available... I just noticed that it already has a 2914 rating (single processor) at CEGT 4/40 (2 GHz), better than Shredder 11 and Hiarcs 11.1, but not better than Rybka 1.01, to be continued as this time control is usually not the best one for Fritz.

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_AllVersion/rangliste.html


Don Groves    (2007-11-20 23:21:28)
Life imitates chess

It's interesting how we humans invent things and then begin to to behave like our own inventions, or let them run our lives. Money, time, ..., chess. Is the Matrix coming or is it already here in a more subtle form?


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-11-22 21:12:35)
Re:

I still can't log in. It's been almost a day now. Attempts to login to the server results in the login page being redisplayed without any error message. Attempts to open forum.chess-server.net results in "MySQLi error: 2002 Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/opt/lampp/var/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)"


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-23 17:25:21)
free entry

Michael had retired from the waiting list just before, but anyway you're right, this rule could be added to the terms, maybe with a deadline. To be discussed... About the first tournament, it had been postponed a long time before the start (seems to me). Hmm, will be even more challenging :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-24 04:23:35)
Next thematic tournament

We need five more players to start the next thematic chess tournament, then we could organize a few ones on Traxler again !


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-24 16:13:26)
:P

Ilmars tries to prove that Traxler counter-attack is dead for Black... Anyway the only to play White only is thematic silver games :)

Graham, did you have a look at Ilmars analysis in Wikichess ? See http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=wikichess&article=611

You can analyze some lines with other players...


Hannes Rada    (2007-11-26 19:23:10)
2nd Chess Final H. Ingersol - W. Utesch

Both player won clearly their semifinals. Any predictions for the 2nd final ?


Graham McGrew    (2007-11-26 22:33:50)
Wilkes-Barre Furor

Thanks for this wealth of responses, all. Thanks too for the tip on Ilmars' analysis. I will check it out. Thibault, what is the next thematic tournament for which you need five more players? Ilmars, I would love to play a game with you as white, me as black. Being new to FICGS, I'm not exactly sure how to start a game with you . . . ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-26 23:36:46)
Wilkes-Barre Furor

The next thematic tournament is a very interesting line of the Sicilian poisoned pawn variation : 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Qb6 8.Qd2 Qxb2 9.Rb1 Qa3 10.e5

See in Waiting list >> Special chess tournaments

If you want to play a "one-game" match with Ilmars, you may try in Advanced chess tournaments >> Bronze lightning .. and play Traxler, if you don't care about your blitz chess rating :) .. or Thematic lightning but with entry fee & prize (10 E-Points) & White must win rule.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-11-27 22:37:57)
Baduk and chance : 1dan in LG cup final

A Go player ranked 1 dan is about 800 elo points below a 9 dan player (whatever the ranking system ?!), meaning about no chance to win a game against such an opponent, right ?! .. How is it possible to see a 1 dan player at this level in one of the main Go tournaments in the world ?

Of course everything can happen in a Go game, but I suppose it is not the case during a whole tournament...


From IGN Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info

"An interview with Han Sanghoon, 1-dan, the first 1-dan in Go history, who entered the final match of the World Go Championship (LG cup)

- Congratulations! What was the most difficult game in this tournament?
- The last one with On Sojin, 4-dan. It was really close finally and I think, that I was slightly behind until the endgame stage
- You became a professional about 1 year ago. Did you think that you can reach the final match of the World Go Championship so quickly?
- I remember that it was very hard to become a professional. I was almost 18 and it was my last chance to win the qualification among inseis. Of course, I did not think, that I can show good results quickly. I was surprised, that professional tournaments are not much harder than the insei league :)
- What are your weakest and strongest parts in Go?
- I am weak at the opening, but I feel myself confident in middlegame fights. Usually I try to defend my groups solidly, before fighting
- Who is the hardest opponent for you?
- Yun Junsang, 6-dan. I lost him twice and feel that he is much stronger than me. Also his Go style is very impressive
- What do you think about your final match with Lee Sedol, 9-dan. How big are your chances?
- I never played him before, but I saw lot of his game records and I know that Lee Sedol, 9-dan is much stronger than me. Any way, I will try to win the match! Usually I am not afraid of the star opponents at all!"


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2007-11-30 02:00:56)
attempt at clarification

First, the professional ranks cannot be compared to amateur ranks. A few years ago, the general assumption was that a difference of one professional rank was equal to about one third of a stone. The EGF assumes 30 ELO points between pro ranks. Recently, however, especially in Korea, there are many aspiring young players trying to become a professional, but only a handful are promoted each year. As a result, the competition for _becoming_ pro has become so fierce that any player who passes these tests is all but guaranteed to be already able to give the established players a run for their money. Another point to note is that while amateur ranks try to depict the _strength_ of a player, professional ranks are based on _merit_.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-01 15:02:34)
time counting

Hello Ulrich.

Yes, this is the only tournament where this problem happened, simply because the thematic opening starts at Black move number 10 :/ .. So the program added time to player Black when playing his first move, not to player White (at move eleven). I did not think about that when the tournament started, but anyway this advantage or disadvantage is shared (3 games with, 3 games without). Sorry about that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-03 03:04:56)
"Chess is like" series

Just tried a Google search on "chess is like" :


- Chess is like life (Spassky, Kasparov, Polar or so.. Fischer said Chess IS life :))

- A game of Chess is like a sword fight ! You must think first, before your move...

- To some extent face to face chess is like poker in that it can help to "read" your opponent's body language.

- Chess is like a box of choclates, once you start a game you never know what your gonna get.

- Chess is like body-building. If you train every day, you stay in top shape.

- Chess is like marriage. You cannot have a mate without a check. (Brian Wood)

- To me chess is like a patient and faithful lover; I may not always be there for her - er, it - but it is always there waiting by the phone for me to call and start up with the affair all over again. (Graham Moore)

- Chess is like snooker: once you slip a little it is very hard to get back because there are so many good young players fighting their way up.

- Chess is like golf, 50 percent mental, 50 percent physical.

- Chess is like the saxophone. You can pick it up and learn it, but it takes a lifetime to become any good.

- Chess is like tug-of-war, but it's also like "a cork bobbing up and down."

- Playing chess is like looking out over a limitless ocean; playing checkers is like looking into a bottomless well.

- Chess is like a symphony. The first phase of this piece was a furioso, leading to a quiet second movement, a positional struggle between two very different personalities. (about a Fischer's game)


... and so on. Finally anything's like everything :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-04 21:11:33)
1st round robin final

Yes, a very hard tournament, at least for me :) .. It seems to be between Alberto, Gaetano & Xavier but many games are not over yet ! We will see...

Congratulations to Gino and Peter for a nice match !


Garvin Gray    (2007-12-05 11:10:40)
Downloading individual games


I used to be able to download each individual game to my desktop so I could save it and analyse using a chess engine.

In firefox, I cant do that anymore. Each time I try and download an individual game, the window just changes over to the text pgn, instead of downloading the game to the desktop.

I have looked through my tools- options section in firefox and cant solve the problem.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Possible fixes?



Dan Rotaru    (2007-12-06 00:16:51)
Private message to another member

If somebody has the private message option turned off and someone else sends a message, is there a reply like "This member has this feature turned off" or the message just goes in Nirvana?


Ulrich Imbeck    (2007-12-06 01:05:11)
Where is the PM-Tool?

The situation seems to me: Even if somebody has turned the private message option on, how can I send him a message? Where is the PM-Tool?


Dan Rotaru    (2007-12-06 18:00:50)
Quotes

“Everybody knows that some things are simply impossible until sombedody, who doesn’t know that, makes them possible.” Albert Einstein


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-07 03:06:04)
Private message to another membe

Hello Dan... Actually the program tells you if you can't send a message to another member (so if he has this feature turned off) .. and of course before you can write the message ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-12 16:14:36)
5 vs. 7

5 players would be great this way, but it has many other effects including on tournaments results & cheating attempts.. 7 players is best for fair ratings IMO.


Garvin Gray    (2007-12-12 16:40:02)
5 over 7 as a trial :)


7 players is best for fair ratings IMO.

I do not disagree one bit. The more games and more players in a touranment, the better rating outcomes and fairer tournament all round.

That being said, I think this does need to be balanced against both how long it takes to get a tournament started (which can be quite a while in some cases) and keeping new players on the site by being able to get them some starting games sooner. This has to also be good for accurate ratings as it increases the pool of potential players.



Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-15 17:51:51)
50 moves rule

Absolutely.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing


Robert Mueller    (2007-12-16 13:57:56)
Conditional Moves

I am sure this must have been discussed in the past, but if I could vote for one improvement on the FICGS server software, it would be conditional moves. After all, it is soon Christmas and the time for big wishes ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-16 16:22:18)
Conditional Moves

Indeed, it has :) .. Conditional moves still brings many questions but I'm still opposed to the idea.

Anyway a new wish list is a good idea ! .. The main issue I'm working on these days is money prizes for WCH & freestyle tournaments, but ideas for improvements are always welcome.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-16 16:31:33)
Make your chess variant :)

"Too many draws, chess is dead", one read such things quite often for a few years. True or not, what about to imagine a new variant like Chess-Vodka (one move or capture, one mouthful.. funny games :))

Ok, I can't implement Zubrowka on this server :) , but we could imagine a funny rule that would let the game rules very near classical chess but with more mad games, less drawish & giving equal chances to both players (main point being FUN)?!

Any ideas ?


William Taylor    (2007-12-18 12:28:27)
Atomic

Implement atomic ches... Ok, so it's not very similar to classical chess, but it's great fun! When there is a capture, all pieces (but not pawns) within a 1-square radius (including the capturing and captured pieces) blow up. The aim is to blow up your opponent's king. There are very few draws, but white does seem to have an advantage.


Hannes Rada    (2007-12-18 21:57:02)
conditional moves and ICCF bureaucracy

> ICCF decided to turn it off for all > ICCF tournaments. I don't recall the > exact reason for doing this, but it > has something to do with concerns > about time abuse. How can conditional moves be considered as "time abuse" ?? What is the rationale behind this ? Chessfriend.com had a perfect implementation of (secret) conditional moves. But ICCF is a slow, conservative and bureaucratic organization. Why not making a poll to find out if the players want this feature ....


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-12-19 12:01:29)
Re:

My esteem gratitude to brave soldier Wolfgang for enlightening me on relevant matters. As thou spoke the truth, thou art bestowed with many titles, lands & fair maidens. For good measure, thou gets the chopping block too, free of charge."


Mladen Jankovic    (2007-12-19 22:40:38)
Small board

I was about to propose recently an implementation of a small board variant, just for fun that wouldn't be counted against the game limit.

Such things tend to be just plain fun.

With a small board variation you would complete the offer along side of Big Chess, Chess regular, and Chess 960.

You might want to consider some of Gardner's variants. I've played Los Alamos chess, and it's FUN.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-20 00:21:24)
conditional moves, ICCF

About conditional moves, it would be a lot of work to implement it, but anyway yes I'm opposed to it, following several discussions around it. I think it's not completely fair and adds a (small) chancy factor to the game, so in this way I understand "time abuse".

But I can't see yet how it adds some work to a tournament director (Garvin ?!)...


Yugi Inving    (2007-12-20 04:56:16)
Traxler

I take both colour on this oppening, just can i understand why you guys do Fxf2. now i know that this bishop is poisoned ( i am tired of losing agaisn't rybka for this reason.) and does letting my enemy do their 0-0 or 0-0-0 is bad


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-20 17:56:51)
FICGS championship

Yes, I'll separate the stages that way soon. About the WCH cycle, it is already a knockout tournament, even if there's a round-robin cycle inside.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#chess_wch


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-20 18:44:21)
Kramnik vs. Anand 2008

Vladimir Kramnik, Viswanathan Anand, FIDE & UEP (Universal Event Promotion) have come to an agreement : The next FIDE World Chess Championship will take place from October 11 to 30, 2008 in the National Art Gallery in Bonn (Germany). Reigning world champion Viswanathan Anand will play challenger Vladimir Kramnik in a twelve-game match. The prize fund is 1.5 Million Euro, the main sponsor is an industrial enterprise, Evonik Industries, located in Essen (Germany) which was the exclusive sponsor of the 2006 World Chess Challenge between Vladimir Kramnik and the most famous chess program distributed by Chessbase, Deep Fritz.

Any predictions ? .. (may Anand lose his title before that date ?)


Yugi Inving    (2007-12-21 01:35:19)
3 vs 3

I had just had this idea. this varient of chess have an hexagonal board whit three players playing all for themselves, (no alliance is permitted ). is also have at least six new piece and some new rules or power accorded to some piece. i will decribe it clearly an other time.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-21 20:42:31)
conditionals

Hi Gino,

So it's up to the other player, who's almost forced to use conditional moves to save time also. But there are forced lines where only one player has "no choice", that's what I meant. Well, conditional moves could be implemented in many ways, with several lines, a complete tree and so on...


Josef Riha    (2007-12-24 10:41:20)
Merry Christmas...

...to all members, especially my opponents, of FICGS.com.


Garvin Gray    (2007-12-25 05:47:53)
Chess 960 possible problem


Nice Xmas present for you Thibault- a possible server problem :P

Not sure if I am doing something wrong or it is the server.

When I download a Chess 960 game and attempt to start engine analysis through fritz interface, I have only just realised that the downloaded game does not recognise 'Chess 960' or even the traditional version castling.

Only when I set the position up and select the four castling options will the game start analysing castling options.



Dinesh De Silva    (2007-12-25 07:52:34)
Re:

Seems like there's not much Christmas cheer this year!?! Maybe because Santa got run over by a stray reindeer yesterday , Mrs Claus ran away with billions of dollars collected over the years & the elves are on strike. No Christmas gifts for anybody!


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-27 02:46:21)
conditionals

Of course that's the main & clearest argument and I agree with that. I'll try to search TCCMB archives (I think this issue has been discussed for a while there) to argue better my 'feelings' by experience on other servers. Anyway there are so many improvements to come on the server before that I couldn't implement it before a while :/ .. To be continued.


Andrew Stephenson    (2007-12-27 09:44:35)
option 4

Thibault please consider implementing option 4 now. I cannot see the current rapid M 00009 tournament filling up for a long long time but there are IMO plenty of 2100 players who would sign up for an option 4 tourney who are not going for the rapid A 000035


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-28 14:11:54)
option 4

I tried to change the rating ranges but a few 2200+ players would retire from the rapid M tournament... I'm afraid we have to wait. Anyway I'm to make a major update (challenges) and other improvements on the server, so I can't do it right now.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-12-29 23:27:34)
Major update : challenges

Hello to all.

Now it is possible to challenge connected players for bullet / lightning / blitz games (advanced chess tournaments - note : please verify time controls, ie. blitz games are played in 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves) with White or Black.

Many improvements to come (when I find some time), to display ratings and so on... All feedback welcome.


Konrad Hornung    (2008-01-05 07:07:42)
Titles definitions

Can someone tell me what FIM and FEM stand for? I assume the M is master.


Hannes Rada    (2008-01-05 10:38:21)
Titels

Fics International Master Fics Email Master Very funny, isn't it... :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-05 15:16:17)
Titles definitions

Hello Hornung, everything about FICGS titles is here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles


Dinesh De Silva    (2008-01-06 11:04:48)
Re: FICGS i .o. FICS :-)

First it was "hanging chads" that became popular. Now it's a "hanging G", I guess. The "G" seems to be in the spotlight these days. Hence a G spot.


Garvin Gray    (2008-01-06 14:28:36)
hmm


Has anyone played a game using this challenge system.

I have made a few offers and never even got a reply. Don't even know if it was received?



Mladen Jankovic    (2008-01-06 15:46:08)
re:

There seems to be an high amount of bullet bronze games started and lost in the firs turn.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-06 17:05:31)
Challenges

Yes, I made and I'll make updates to avoid such aborted games... Now players are warned if they receive a challenge but as this is a web server and not a software, players still have to check if a game started (ie. by email or in the message box)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-07 14:54:59)
Possible to stop the clock

Ok, definitely I have to update this feature right now, but the 60 days limit per move should remain IMO, so it won't be possible to take too many days of vacation according to the clocks (or the player will be warnt that he'll lose some games)...

Well, if all players in the tournament agree to stop Viktor's clock, I'll arrange that.


Hannes Rada    (2008-01-07 20:04:20)
Stop the clock

I agree. It does not make sense to get a win without playing. Because we are here to play chess .... :-) However I saw that the game with H. Ingersol is already over ... So I would stop the clock, if every participant in this group agrees. But we need a more simple solution concerning the reflection time. I would propose: After 10 days without playing a single move: 1st warning, after 20 days: 2nd warning, afer 30 days: the game is automatically lost for that player. Warnings should be sent to both involved players be email. During 30 or 40 days holiday during a year the refelection time will be stopped. That's how it worked at chessfriend.com and this is in my opinion the best and simplest solution.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-07 23:07:41)
Vacation : Update

An update is to be installed : It won't be possible anymore to take too many days of vacation provoking the loss of any game without being warned of this.

I agree that vacation could be implemented in a more simple way, but no move should take more than 60 days and it could be possible with a 30 days limit per move and the clock per move frozen during vacation. Anyway, we'll see how it works...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-08 00:50:55)
Incomes of top Go players

One more interesting article from the IGN "Goama" newsletter - http://gogame.info


Incomes of Top Korean Professionals in 2007:

1. Lee Sedol - $600.000
2. Lee Changho - $400.000
3. Park Yeonghun - $360.000
4. Cho Hanseung – $180.000
5. Kang Dongyun - $150.000
6. Mok Jinseok -$148.000
7. Lee Yeongku -$122.000
8. Won Sungjin -$116.000
9. Yun Junsang - $113.000
10. Kim Jiseok – $113.000

Japanese players, even who is not famous on international arena, makes more money, but it's still hard to compare their tournament incomes with top football or hockey players.

Maybe better to compare chess and Go players: "As sports go, chess is not lucrative for the average professional. The well known top players who have been able to achieve millionaire status (Karpov and Kasparov) are the exceptions. Aside from them, there are only about 20 players world wide who do well financially from chess ($100,000+ per year income), and another 100 or so that make a comfortable living ($50,000+). The next 1,000 players, on average, come out about even -- earning in prizes what they incur in entry fees and expenses. Then come perhaps 10,000 players who invest several thousand dollars more per year than they earn." -- from "GM RAM: Essential Grandmaster Knowledge" by Rashid Ziatdi and Peter Dyson, PROChess LLC, New York, 1998


Robert Mueller    (2008-01-03 11:12:07)
Copyright issues

This is of course a difficult topic. I remember a very long thread about this on another forum. The result was an understanding that articles from external sources were not to be posted directly on that forum any more but only links to the article. I believe that it is only allowed to copy the article with written consent of the author. But then again, I am not a lawyer.


Glen D. Shields    (2008-01-08 04:10:25)
Other Expenses

Happy New Year Thibault!

Besides time, fees, travel there is also taxes and depending on where the player lives there may also be a need to pay towards retirement pensions, healthcare, etc.

My point ... $600,000 sounds like a lot, but when one factors in the whole enchillada, it's really not much money at all to be the very best in the world at your profession!


Hannes Rada    (2008-01-08 18:33:08)
Income of top Chess players.

That seems to be peanuts compared with the top Chess players. Any ideas about the income of Kramnik & Co ? > it's really not much money at all to be the very best in the world at your profession! > What's the income of the best cc-player ? van Oosterom's income will be zero ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-08 19:04:50)
Today...

... most probably ;)

By the way, more accurately the "WC-2 knockout final"..

In the WC-1, it seems Gaetano is now in good place to win the round-robin final and to play Gino, who won the knockout final, let's see how the last game Pichelin-Laghetti will finish, then the first final match will start :

http://www.ficgs.com/game_13145.html


Don Burden    (2008-01-09 02:02:20)
Incomes of top chess players

For a regular GM, my guess is not that much but they seem to make enough to live on. I find it interesting when playing in a chess tournament to look at the type of cars the GMs arrive in. Here in the USA, there was a regular GM tournament player who drove a car that looked like it was ready to break down any moment.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-01-09 02:26:36)
Income ....

If chess were as popular as Tennis, we would see the GM's with advertisements on their clothes when they are playing tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-09 05:06:16)
The games will continue !

All players in the tournament agreed to stop Viktor's clock so that the games can continue... Thanks to all for the fair play and sorry about that problem, I hope it won't happen anymore after the update.

Best wishes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-09 05:42:09)
4th FICGS chess championship

The 4th FICGS chess championship just started, it is now much easier to find tournaments (quarter finals, stage 2...) in the Tournaments page.

Quarter finals this time are :

1 - Harry Ingersol vs. Mark Noble
2 - Hannes Rada vs. Farit Balabaev
3 - Eros Riccio vs. Marius Zubac
4 - Peter Schuster vs. Thibault de Vassal

As a reminder, in case of equality the highest TER in each match qualifies if all games are drawn, the lowest TER qualifies if not all games are drawn.

The next stages of the previous championships will start as soon as possible...

Have good games !


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-11 05:00:33)
FICGS improvements : Your opinion

Hello to all...

Kind of poll, it would be useful to know which part of the site looks quite or really unclear to you. FICGS website continues to grow, I tried to use some symbols repeatedly to make it coherent but it's quite obvious that it's not easy to understand how the site works at a first sight.

Feel free to point unclear functions or to make suggestions...

Thanks in advance :)


Patrick Richardson    (2008-01-11 12:34:00)
game number

I think it would be an improvement if when switching from one game to the next if the game number was present on the top of the screen, instead of scrolling down to see which game it is. Pat


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-11 17:30:04)
width, game number

Hello Mladen, you mean because of the scrolling bar ? (feel free to send me a screen shot)

Patrick, you're right... There's no place enough, that's a problem :/ .. Did you try to put the mouse over "Move : " and over the last move ? There are informations about the game there also, but that's not a perfect solution, I agree...


Robert Mueller    (2008-01-11 19:24:42)
Personal Mails

Hi Thibault, I am not sure this is a problem. Maybe I just have not figured it out. I would like to be able to send a personal message to my opponent AFTER the game is finished. Sometimes I offer a draw, my opponent accepts, and the game is gone from my list. I would like to send something like "thank you for the game" or "good game". I just don't know how to do that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-11 21:52:46)
mails, game search

About personal emails, two ways : the form at the bottom of My messages page, or the public comments that are sent by email too.. but I've to make it clearer and easier to use (ie. to find a game that just finished).

About game search, it is possible to enter a game number in the form below the menu. I'll add a title to the form to make it clearer, thanks !


Konrad Hornung    (2008-01-13 03:05:32)
Possible Improvement to site

I like to sometimes analyze a position before moving i.e. move pieces around, and I don't think this a possible option on the game page.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-01-14 10:08:25)
challenges

Thibault I must confess to being mystified by this: a name appears in the box entitled challenge a player, the name varies. Whats happening? does the system generate random names of those currently on line to offer up in case I want to challenge?? Or is the player challenging me?? Out of curiosity I have occasionally pressed the challenge button but nothing appears to happen. All in all quite baffling - now I ignore it!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-14 16:19:56)
challenges

Hi Andrew, yes players are ordered by login time (then roll so looks like random) while they most probably should be ordered by rating. Maybe soon... If a player challenges you, a line with an "accept" option appears below the box. If you challenge a player, a line that you can remove by clicking the double arrows appears below the box and your opponent is warned. But I have to make new improvements to increase the interest of these bullet/blitz bronze games - maybe it should be free after all :) .. Now, the empty games (without any moves) will be deleted by new ones...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-15 05:13:17)
"No games to display"

Did anyone notice a strange bug, ie. "Sorry, there's no game to display" (when actually that's wrong) in My games, while other pages, ie. the forum, work correctly.. this bug looks like to happen after a long time without loading a new page.. (so only the message box automatically refreshes regularly)

I'm not sure where's the problem yet... Thanks for feedback.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-01-15 20:47:51)
Re

But I have to make new improvements to increase the interest of these
> bullet/blitz bronze games <
- maybe it should be free after all


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-16 04:03:45)
bronze / silver / gold

Hi Garvin.. Of course bronze / silver / gold games will remain. Prizes may change for bronze games, nothing more. But I'll probably find other ways anyway :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-16 04:36:01)
FICGS unavailable -> time added

FICGS server was offline / unreachable (provider problem) during 7 hours. I added 7 hours to all clocks in running games.

Sorry for the inconvenience.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-16 18:10:48)
FICGS emails unavailable jan. 14 to 16

FICGS email provider had a problem from january 14 to 16, 2008.

Emails sent not through the server to FICGS domain most probably did not reach me :(

In this case, please resend it to me. Thanks in advance.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-16 19:32:31)
FICGS rules

Hello Peter, I understand your point of view. Correspondence chess is not OTB (over the board) chess and rules may not go the same way.

FICGS WCH rules can be found here :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=entry_tournament&tournament=ficgs_chess_wch
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#chess_wch

... so you should have seen it before to enter the waiting list.

The idea in this correspondence chess championship is to find the best player, of course. In correspondence chess, rating is much more important than in OTB chess to know the "current" level of a player, and should be taken in account, just like performance. This rule is quite hard but this way we can organize a new cycle every 6 months, so more chances to reach the final stages. Anyway this issue will be discussed again and again.. and rules are just rules.

Best wishes, Thibault


Philip Roe    (2008-01-17 03:05:06)
Excellent enhancements

Thibault,

Many thanks for the work you put into this!

I have one minor complaint. I think it is very unlikely that I will ever want to respond to any of the displayed challenges, so for me that is just clutter. Is there way to opt out of having this feature displayed?


Don Groves    (2008-01-17 06:38:49)
The list...

... the never ending list of improvements ;-)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-01-17 14:04:20)
Result

TER stands for tournament entry rating ie the rating you had when the tournament starts. It is shown in the tournament crosstable along with the current rating. This TER is what decides in the event of a tie. However there is a slight contradiction when this rule is applied in matches. In this situation in the event of a tie the higher TER wins EXCEPT if there has been a result on both sides ie not all games were drawn then the lower TER player goes through. By analogy with Peters situation I think the rule might be ammended so that the higher TER goes through except when one of the tied players has beaten another tied player and in this situation is deemed to have a higher TER (as between them)for the purpose of the tie break. The point of this ammendment is that it still gives a tie break winner BUT it reflects the result bewteen individuals for tie break purposes as the result might indicate that the entry TER is not reflective of current relative strength. To late for you Peter I am afraid but worth a thought.


Robert Mueller    (2008-01-17 18:44:38)
Yes, great ...

... improvements on the My Games page. It looks very tidy now. Keep up the good work.


Andrey Sumets    (2008-01-18 10:11:35)
score

Igame.ru leading by 30,5 - 12,5 and 6 games remaining.


Mladen Jankovic    (2008-01-21 20:32:58)
Inport from pgn?

Why not simply click on the computer icon in my games, click on all games, where you get all your games in pgn, copy-paste all of the games to a plain pgn text file, and import from that.

This is just a guess that seems reasonable, as I do not own Fritz, however it should be supported the way I've described it.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-01-22 17:12:13)
Database

Yes Mladen, I guess that will work for current games.....I have all current games in a Ficgs database I created. My problem is I do not have the entire database of my games. I tried Thibault's suggestion and it worked fine. Thank you Wayne


Christophe Czekaj    (2008-01-25 13:04:00)
In Fischer's honour

Hello everybody ! What about a special Fischer tournament ? Or thematic tournaments, on line he used to play, for example : spanish exchange, or sozin against sicilian... And yes, thanks for your wonderful play, Bobby.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-25 16:01:41)
Logged out?

Hi Don, quite strange indeed... Was the message box above the chat bar ok when it happened ? If not refreshed normally, you may be logged out after a while, unless you go to another page... Just tell me if the problem persists.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-25 16:20:55)
10 moves rule

Hi Wolfgang, of course the 10 moves rule applies to the winner (the withdrawing player will lose points in all cases) !

"Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating) or in global forfeit cases against the same opponent, ie. 8-games matches, but games where an advantage is obvious."

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#withdrawals


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-25 16:34:10)
Fischer's defense

The next thematic tournament could be Fischer's defense in the King's gambit...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-27 05:17:56)
23-th board

Undoubtly, he is :)

Well, I can't remember the reason (last minute, replacement, ... ?) but anyway Gaetano's rating was a trap, it increased by more than 300 points since his first game here, if he manages to qualify for the WCH-final against Gino, it could reach 2450-2500 after about 35 games only...


Ivan Pljusnin    (2008-01-27 16:43:11)
Team complectation

FICGS team could be much stronger, I think. Some of your players have lost their games by time. Imagine, you replace them with winners of FICGS World Championship and other strong tournaments of FICGS. FICGS result would be much better...

In fact I do not believe neither in official correspondence chess titles nor in ratings. They do not show real strength very often. On IGAME the best part of our team is anonymous players, I think. Their achievements in this match are just fantastic. 9 members of IGAME team who play under imaginary names have now 14.5 of 17! Owl (here he is "Dojnikov") is going to win his last game. Probably he is our best fighter.

P.S. If I was allowed to play as Mobutu, I'd play stronger!:-)


Mladen Jankovic    (2008-01-28 17:55:36)
Tried YINSH

I tried YINSH, just enough to pick up the rules. It seems to be that good. It swaps first place with Go from time to time on boardgamegeek.

I never got around to trying GIPF, but I've heard it's well suited for correspondence play.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-29 02:26:52)
WCH 3 semi finals started

The semi finals in the 3rd wch knockout cycle just started :

1. Peter Schuster (2539) - Daniel Brunsteins (2476)
2. Harry Ingersol (2555) - Farit Balabaev (2481)


Faites vos jeux, rien ne va plus :) .. Have good games !


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-29 02:36:57)
1st WCH candidates final started !

Finally, the 1st WCH round-robin final tournament finished with the 3 most dangerous fighters at tie, Xavier Pichelin, Gaetano Laghetti and Alberto Gueci (4/6). Congratulations to them !

According to FICGS chess WCH rules, the player with the highest TER qualifies for the first candidates final against the winner of the knockout cycle.

The first FICGS WCH candidates final just started !

Gino Figlio (2568) - Xavier Pichelin (2355)

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_ficgs__chess__wch_candidates_final__000001.html


Good luck to both players and be careful, we're watching your games ! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-30 19:20:03)
Provisional rating

Hello Hao Nhien, your provisional rating is now 1800 : Ratings not from FIDE / ICCF / IECG give at most a 1800 provisional rating...

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess


Don Groves    (2008-02-02 22:21:23)
Logged out!

Hi Thibault -- It seems much more forgiving now, did you make a change?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-03 22:22:25)
Rating change

Ok, it seems that Viktor will forfeit his games. Before to find a new rule that could decrease the effects of such a general forfeit, I think it is reasonable to change Viktor's TER & rating to 2507 (current FIDE rating) instead of 2667 (provisional ICCF rating). I think it is fair in this rare case.


Don Groves    (2008-02-04 00:18:53)
Logged out!

I do have an active imagination ;-) It must be an obscure interaction with Firefox on OS X. It is very sensitive to extra keystrokes on FICGS. If I accidentally hit a second key while waiting for FICGS, Firefox hangs (only on the FICGS tab) and must be restarted to fix the problem.


Garvin Gray    (2008-02-04 02:29:10)
mystery

I have been getting a couple of log outs lately, if that helps to 'solve' the problem.


Don Groves    (2008-02-04 05:12:27)
mystery

Maybe it's a rotating problem so as not to bother one user excessively ;-)


Julien Coll    (2008-02-04 08:11:23)
hello :)

I mean: 15 people maxi for each game, each time I connected -that's not enormous anyway... :) some months ago some members of the the ASA (the french shôgi association) used to meet all monday evenings in Kurnik -I don't know if they continue doing it again. If you're able to understand chinese, korean, japanese, etc... perhaps you'll find plenty of very good internet clubs devoted to these games :o) There is a shogi club called ISC, but I don't know if it is active. about shogi and servers: a good server for OTB play is Shogidojo... but the level is quite hard for beginners. there are other sites for differed play (ex. in Brainking you can play to the two games).


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-07 01:41:22)
WCH candidates final tie break rule

Good question... Well, it seems coherent : WCH rules favour ratings, it is very unlikely to happen that the knockout cycle winner's rating is inferior to the round-robin cycle winner's one, anyway the rules clearly favour the highest TER, which is the one of the knockout cycle winner at the beginning of the cycle.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-02-07 09:33:55)
cycle entry rating??

Thibault now your really confusing me?? I do not think there is any concept of cycle entry rating being followed in your WC system! In the knockout stages players ratings change so there entry rating changes in different stages. eg Wolfgang entered the quarter finals for 000002 with a TER of 2460 he was successful (against you)and played the semi final with improved TER 2523 and for the the knockout TER was the same 2523 with Harry had TER with 2456 for quarters but went to semis with TER 2459 and for knockout final his TER changed again to 2555. Now if CER is operating Thibault, the knockout final match should contain entry ratings at the start of the cycle ...this is extremely important because that would have wolfgang on 2460 and Harry on 2456 which will make a difference as it reverses the TER at present showing in that match leading to opposite results in the event of a tie. The same occurs for the stages and round robin finals - updated ratings are used for tie breaks at each stage. Anyway for the next cycle why do you not just change the candidate tie break rule to make it consistent with all the other tie break rules ie based on TER at the time the stage commences. It does not make any sense to give an advantage to say the no 8 rated player at the start of the cycle who goes into knockout over the no 9 rated player going into the stage and round robin. Both players will benefit from improved TER during the course of the cycle before they meet in the candidates final where there strength at that entry point should be a tie breaking factor and not where there rating was 1 year or more years earlier- the more so as their changed ratings since will/may have been used as tie breakers along the way anyway. Either that or introduce cycle entry ratings concept and keep ratings fixed for the duration of the cycle for tie break purposes for all matches and stages!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-07 17:05:08)
WCH candidates final tie break rule

I understand your point of view but I see no problem with this "CER rule" at stage 4. It looks 'logical' to me, firstly because this stage is not included in what is called the knockout cycle (just like stage 5, with another rule), then because the round-robin winner still appears like the challenger in this match.

Now we may have a poll on this issue and continue to discuss it, why not...

Should the same TER rule apply at stage 4 like in the first 3 stages of the knockout cycle ? Who is favourable to the current rule ?


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-02-07 18:50:03)
Candidates final tie break rule

I vote for 1 consistent single tie break system for all matches and round robins: player higher TER at the start wins if all games drawn loses if not all games drawn. The tie break rule is complex enough without suddenly switching. To answer your 2 points Thibault: 1) The round robin winner is a sort of "challenger" to the knock out winner thus its right to give the knock out a tie break win if all games drawn and require the round robin winner to win a game to go through on a tie. But the whole process is a method of determining a challenger for the WCC not a challenger to one of the top eight. 2) Tie break system is different for WCC challenger ie champ keeps title in the event of a draw. Well this isdifferent and its easy to understand that its necessary to beat the champ to take the title. This difference does not explain having a different tie break system in the candidates - there is no challenge here and no title at stake. Each cycle is a challenger selection process and we need 1 consistent tie break method for each stage.


Philip Roe    (2008-02-09 18:01:20)
Moving advertisements

Thibault,

I understand your need to generate revenue, and I may be the only one to feel this way, but I find it very irritating to have advertisements displayed that employ dynamic graphics.

They are, of course, designed to be eyecatching, and I find that they make it almost impossible to focus on the analysis board, which was a very welcome recent innovation.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-09 20:43:46)
Moving advertisements

Hmm, ok.. I may change that anyway. It is also possible to deactivate these ads, many browsers allow this, or when you connect through the HTTPS (SSL) form.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-11 02:07:18)
Next thematic tournaments

Any suggestion for the next chess thematic tournament(s) ? The full list of all thematics played at FICGS is available here :

http://www.ficgs.com/wiki_en-thematic-tournaments.html

Thanks for your ideas :)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-02-11 02:39:18)
Next thematic tournaments

Caro kann panov attack?


Nicola Lupinacci    (2008-02-11 09:20:50)
Next thematic tournament

Icelandic gambit?

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6


Keres defense?

1.d4 d5 2.c4 Bf5


Iouri Basiliev    (2008-02-11 14:15:32)
Next thematic tournaments

I would propose to play Sicilian Dragon or so in memory of Robert Fischer.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-02-12 12:53:55)
Good Cinema ...

What about Arnold Schwarzenegger as Fischer and Sylvester Stallone as Spassky? Woody Allen whold be a good Max Euwe and Sandra Bull-Dog as Nona Gaprindasvili


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-02-12 13:32:16)
Icelandic Gambit ...

i have an old opening book, semi open openings written by Ludek Pachman, and it does not mention the Icelandic Gambit, so there must be plenty of "unexplored country" in it, so ... I am in!!!

Can we one day have a Centre Opening thematic ? I used to play it very often when I was young, happy and unemployed.


Iouri Basiliev    (2008-02-12 14:51:08)
Icelandic gambit

Ok. :) havn't seen the Dragon has played before. Icelandic gambit do the topic in memory of RJF!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-02-14 13:40:04)
ratings

Hi thibault some time ago I think you suggested that you were going to start people at a higher rating? Maybe 1800? At present you have some players starting at very low ratings who are obviously going to be strong cc players. One outstanding example is Zack Stephen at 1300. He won the PAL/CSS frestyle advanced chess tournament in 2005 and as ZackS has remained at the top getting high places each year Just a thought .....


Mladen Jankovic    (2008-02-14 16:38:47)
Since when?

I remember a game where 3-fold repetition happened and wasn't noticed by the server (I haven't noticed it either). The game ended up being counted as a loss.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-15 01:03:12)
ratings

Well, it should be really exceptional, actually I don't understand why so strong players did not ask for this provisional rating change before starting to play (volunteer ? ;)) .. Anyway, as no rated result has been recorded in this case, a standard 1800 provisional rating seems ok.


Amir Elnemr    (2008-02-15 11:31:11)
How to edit GO games on FICGS

Hello all, I am just starting my first Go tournament, I still struggle to understand the so much alien game to myself, anyway, I like to edit and review my chess games externally with winboard, but I don't seem to be able to do the same with GO games, It seems as if the notation used is different than of that used by my software, I use PANDA-gIGo, so if anyone can help me by suggesting another program that can read the game format on FICGS or give me directions on how to edit it with PANDA-gIGo I will be very grateful. Thank you and have a good day.


Amir Elnemr    (2008-02-15 15:21:30)
Thank you

Thanks Thibault this is exactly what I needed, now it will be much easier playing.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-02-15 18:57:08)
ratings

Thibault you say you don't understand why a strong player would not ask for a provisional rating change when coming aboard.... Easy to answer Thibault, most people feel like rules are rules, and won't challenge them. At least that is why I didnt ask for a rating upgrade when I first came aboard. As I said earlier that when I came aboard my rating was 2300+ on another CC site I played on for humpteen years. Anyway I was confident in my CC chess ability and figured it would not take long to get to a decent rating, I wanted to more or less prove my self here. I guess that is basic to what you have answered. Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-02-15 19:03:50)
Rating

On the rating update interval. It seems to me that every 2 months is better than once every month. Every two months sort of serves to integrate the rating changes to a smoother progression, Just an ole retired EE point of view. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-15 22:47:18)
FICGS other forums

Hello to all.

You may have noticed new banners on the right of the chat bar before to login, so this other part of FICGS website. Well, looks like a small portal now, these new forums (seo forums, buzz blog, web directory, country & city forums and chat..) should help the games server, even if there's a lot of work to make it coherent and to improve it yet. Feel free to use it anyway :)

Lots of improvements to come on the chess server next month. Have a nice week !

Best wishes, Thibault


Iouri Basiliev    (2008-02-16 00:16:43)
2 Philip

Sorry Philip, but it's MY opinion. Kramnik got his title when he won WC match against Garry. Nobody got it from him. It was "No rematch" and Leko was not a legitime pretendent. So unfortunately.


Mladen Jankovic    (2008-02-16 15:00:33)
re:

The new interface seems to be mainly graphical, and I doubt that Links has JavaScript implemented. I prefer to input moves using notation manually, regardless.

The command line browsers I used so far were various variants of Links. I use those if I'm stuck with just the terminal for one reason or another. Or if I'm playing certain openings and don't bother switching to graphical interface.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-03-07 03:56:18)
Get well

I am sorry you are not well - our game is extremely interesting. Get well soon


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-03-09 19:47:26)
Tournament Catagory S, FEM 4.5

What does this mean ? Wayne Lowrance


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-09 22:48:57)
Norms

Hi Wayne, category S is the first category that allow to make a title norm. You just made me notice it is written category -1 in the rules (I'll correct it) :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles

So, you may obtain a FEM norm if you score 4.5 in this tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-10 14:47:44)
Announcing resignation

That's right, good remark. It is better (ideally) to resign then to make the explanation.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-15 12:43:07)
Unfought draws & rating calculation

An interesting article at Chessbase.com on unfought draws (mathematical, logical and practical considerations), also called "grandmaster draw" in the article, and ways to avoid it, by mathematician and logician Kung-Ming Tiong, Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4513

I notice that the main solution proposed just looks like FICGS rules for advanced chess (Performance +/- delta according to the color) :-D .. Anyway I still have to take some time to make this part of the server more attractive.

This thread may be a good place to ask for a feedback about FICGS current rating rules (for both chess & Go), what do you think ? :)


Miroslav Leskiv    (2008-03-16 18:02:47)
35-14

My opponent resigned in his "white" game. He could offer more persistent resistance if played 32. Qh6+ Kg8 33. e4. Anyway, I would like to thank him for the co-authorship. So, only one game remains :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-17 14:58:10)
Leave waiting list

Hello Mark. You just have been removed from Rapid A waiting list !

Best wishes, Thibault


Mark Hailes    (2008-03-17 15:10:44)
Thibault

Thanks - that's a relief. I'd have had some problems trying to run 10 games at once!? I'll try not to screw up again. BTW I really like the site. The tournament has just started! M


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-03-18 08:00:21)
Rapid categories

Well thibault we had a long discussion about this with a lot of input and agreement you stated that you would implement the following: "Rapid M (2100+), Rapid A (1900-2100), Rapid B (1700-1900) ... ~200" you have completely gone back on this and your new range is hopeless - you will get 1900 and maybe some 2000 players thats it nowhere for 2000 +_ - 2300 players to go Please check the archives reconsider and implement the range agreed to


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-18 15:53:20)
Rapid categories

Hello Andrew, I remember well our discussion :) I made this quick change because I saw most waiting lists empty and I had no more time, but the idea is still to create 200 points range categories (the only difference is the 2300+ one, I have to find a way to keep quite coherent names and rating ranges, working on, maybe a SM category 2300+).


Mark Hailes    (2008-03-20 23:23:16)
Voting For Best Game

Hi thibault------ I’m a bit envious of those carriage returns you manage to get in your posts... >>>> Voting will be more difficult <<<< I do tend towards laziness in my daily life (I can’t imagine life without a dish washer for instance). But even so the fractional mouse movement & additional click would not I think cause me such effort as to eschew voting, but it might make it more likely that I’d vote for what I consider to be the best game rather than a random one :-). So that’s one vote for the confirmation! >>>> There's no criteria... 'best' game, according to each player :) <<<< I assume then (from this somewhat enigmatic comment!?) that voting is for the best game in the tournament. Perhaps it might make sense not to allow voting on a game until it is finished? It may be that after playing well in the early part of the game, the player/s collapse later and mess it up. BTW. If I vote again for another game, is my vote removed from the first game I voted for? or not counted? Or can I in fact claim that multiple games are the best game in the tournament? What happens if I vote for the same game more than once?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-24 01:37:15)
voting

Votes are removed after 50 new votes, voting for running games allow to follow interesting games before and whatever the end... Well, I suppose players don't make the error twice about votes but you are probably right about this confirmation dialog, I may change it soon.


Don Groves    (2008-03-26 06:00:24)
Teaching games?

Go teaching games would be way for FICGS to improve the caliber and possibly the number of Go playing members. How about it, Thibault, and other top players?


Vjacheslav Perevozchikov    (2008-03-27 11:14:31)
Ratings

I have played more than 40 games. 30 wins & only 1 loss (misclick :)), and don't understand one simple thing: why my rating is so small - 1867 points. I saw other members with much worse performance & much more rating? What's wrong here? Thanx


Mladen Jankovic    (2008-03-27 20:57:09)
re:

Everything seems to be in order. Everyone got half a point per game, and that translates to 1 point in 2 games, that is 1/2.


William Taylor    (2008-03-27 22:01:08)
Good idea

I don't see that any harm could come from adding the ability to challenge people to go games like we can challenge them to chess games now.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-27 22:58:03)
Improvements

Hello all. Yes, I still have to make some improvements this way (optional chess or Go challenges), it should be available in a while.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-27 23:03:53)
Future rating & statistics

Hello Vjacheslav, everything's ok : Your rating first depends on your opponents ratings, obviously it will increase during next months :

http://www.ficgs.com/display_history.php?member=2290

ELO : 1867
Future rating : 1922
Games calculated : 9
Result : 77 %
Elo opponents : 1809
Performance : 2020

Rating history (from first to last) :
1600 1696 1740 1823 1867


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-03-28 18:57:10)
time per move

Thibault the time per move rule and vacation rules need to be changed as they create a ridculous situation. Example you have under the time per move rule 10 days (but 20 toal days) left and without thinking take 11 days vacation - you have resigned the game! the game is lost because you cannot cancel the vacation and cannot move!! This is an easy mistake to make becase the my games summary just shows the total moves left, This seems harsh and you should at least allow vacation to be cancelled at any time I cannot see any down side to that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-03-29 19:36:02)
performance calculation

Hello Yugi. All explained here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess


Garvin Gray    (2008-03-30 01:38:20)
Chess 960 possible problem continued


Hello Thibault,

Have just noticed recently that the 'bug' of the server not recognising castling rights in 960 games still exists.


Mladen Jankovic    (2008-04-01 14:23:17)
Seems fixed

It works.


Mark Hailes    (2008-04-01 21:58:02)
Park

People will work every bit as hard to fool themselves as they will to fool others - Robert Park


Dirk Ghysens    (2008-04-02 10:50:03)
Joke?

All information seems correct.

The only upsetting thing is that Judit Polgar is missing from the Players list.


Julien Coll    (2008-04-06 11:27:37)
Is this a real problem?

;-)


Lincoln Tomlin    (2008-04-06 11:47:44)
...

Julien. If games miss the next rating cycle because 1) someone cannot be polite enough to resign a game they clearly no longer have any interest in or 2) resign a game they have already lost because they are in Checkmate and 3) because these games are not included in the next cycle you are 1 or 2 games short of a rating allowing you to participate against stiifer opposition then 4) yes it is a problem and as mentioned above unsporting behaviour. ;-)


Garvin Gray    (2008-04-06 14:02:58)
not a fan


Now that the tournament has been cancelled, I have a couple of comments regarding what was the proposed format of 6 rounds of 30 + 10 in one day.

Players on here previously objected to this type of 'fast' time control as
it gave too much advantage to engine only players over freestylers. This point was also discussed heavily when 45 + 5 was used in a playchess freestyle tournament.

I will not be participating again in a tournament under this time control when for me play starts at 9pm and will finish at about 7am with 6 rounds in one sitting.

I would find it much easier to play one round per day at 90 + 30 over a few days, with play starting at 1300 server time.

While this may seem like a big commitment, I would think that more players can make a few hours commitment each day, than a 12 hour or so commitment on one day. Especially when trying to run a tournament across 24 time zones.



Thibault de Vassal    (2008-04-06 18:06:20)
time control

Once more, you are probably right about time controls.. just tried, but anyway, no formula will fit to everyone :( .. IMO the main points are the site has to improve yet and we need more players, then things should follow. Of course, feel free to make suggestions...

Two points :

- I just wonder if an 'open' waiting list is ok for such a tournament : Maybe players shouldn't be able to see the players who already entered the waiting list (cause of course everyone may wait to see who registered before to register...)

- Following some improvements, bronze games may become free soon. More players could familiarize with short time controls.

What do you think ?


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-04-06 23:50:54)
checkmate

Hi Thibault I think in the case of checkmate the system should end the game there and then. I say that not because it would necessarily reduce players spinning out games but because playing on a server this should be automated. Isn't checkmate always the end eg in email (ie non server cc)chess?? I had no idea it wasnt here it is on other servers I have played on. actually I think many players dont know that checkmate does not end the game here and that they have to wait for time to elapse so I dont think players would all stop the move before checkmate abd it would reduce time in some games. Incidentally stalemate should also be an automated draw


Garvin Gray    (2008-04-07 12:47:43)
freestyle


- I just wonder if an 'open' waiting list is ok for such a tournament : Maybe players shouldn't be able to see the players who already entered the waiting list (cause of course everyone may wait to see who registered before to register...)

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I would not recommend denying access to the waiting list. The reason is two fold:

1) Players will be regularly asking, who is playing and how many entrants so far? If these questions are not answered, then it either looks like there is something to hide or that the tournament is not going well.

2) It will just increase your work load of answering more questions.

- Following some improvements, bronze games may become free soon. More players could familiarize with short time controls.

It might be an idea to try the next freestyle tournament as a free entry tournament with the one game per day/long time control idea.

As for the bronze games being free, a trial period has already been offered and success has been limited. This gave everyone a chance to familiarise themselves with how the timed games operated. I do not think many players took this up.

As for paying for competitions, the payment options must become a lot more simple and obvious.
A simple paypal option would probably be best.
From my otb organisational experience, even offering a bank deposit option is beyond some players. And this is in competitions where the players know the organiser in person.



Arnab Sengupta    (2008-04-15 18:07:00)
RATING

Thanks guys..... well it would be nice if FIDE itself starts a correspondence game system....


Arnab Sengupta    (2008-04-16 18:58:26)
FIDE

guys, wont it would be great if FIDE starts a correspondence game system or server play, which it will recognize....well someone should raise this issue to FIDE


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-05-01 18:03:17)
to Andrew

"I don't se much benefit to letting the computer think for hours frankly wants it gets to 20 + ply. There all sorts of horizons in positions that letting the computer run for a year wont sort out."

There are other ways to use engines than letting simply one of them run for hours.
You may interactively walk along the various branches of the tree going from current position with one or several engines running.
You may also have engines playing some kind of test matches against each other from the current position or from any critical position that you identify along the possible continuations.
You can use Rybka randomizer against itself or against other engines for more exhaustive evaluation through test games
And so on ...

"Marc why are you playing this c3 stuff against the sicilian with such great kit? You play the same openings all the time and I thought it was because you had not much time!!!"

1. I never played this disreputed c3 stuff against the 2..d6 sicilian (with or without the 4.Be2 pawn offer) before january 2008 in my 140+ former serious correspondence games
Indeed I did choose it because I erroneously enrolled in three new tournaments simultaneously and I feared to miss time for serious analysis due to heavy workload at that time.
Results are a bit disappointing with it : five draws so far and two unfinished games that I should win (one win is sure and the other one is probable).
This should lead to a 64% result and a 2333 elo performance. Not shining but not that bad insn't it ?

2. I like playing unorthodox openings in correspondence play.
I do not see any interest in beginning my games with 30 moves of overanalysed theory.
Most often I decide for a side variation and I do play it in as many games as possible simultaneously : I do the analysis job once for all while being fully "in the mood" of a similar set of positions.
Then I change for something else
I won't probably ever play any more game with the line I played against you.

3. An exception is the Basman-Sale Sicilian (2..e6 4..Bc5).
I like it a lot and even have a web site devoted to it (http://chessbazaar.mlweb.info/basmansale/index.html)
I am in a running series of more than twenty corr. games without a single loss with it and decided not to stop using it until defeat happens
I probably analysed it more than anybody : I have several thousands of analysed lines in my files.
I am just busy to consider switching to something more agressive for cases where I need to play for a win as Black.

Regards

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-01 19:00:56)
private message

Hi Andrew, I'm afraid I've not received it, but I received some others without any problems :/ .. Please re-send.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-01 19:06:17)
passwords & time controls

Hello Dale, if you experienced any problem with the left login form, feel free to try the other one (on the right) at https://www.ficgs.com/login.html


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-01 19:50:21)
Marc

Thanks for the informative reply! I do the interactive walk thing you mentioned its very useful though you need reasonable power to have several engines running at once - this you have! I am afraid I dont know how to organise test matches but sounds good. same with Rybka randomiser I have the engine but no idea how to use the randomiser and get it to play itself. 2 wins from the c3 is good as I think it gives white nothing ..but in the line I chose I noticed that after Gelfand (as black) got a draw against Adams with this line Adams repeated it aginst Kasparov who varied. So I guess Adams had an improvement perhap it was what you played? - as black has to find some very accurate moves . Incidentally I very nearly played 5..g5!!? which is really interesting but as my other games were promising decided to settle for taking a draw I like the Basman-Sale and although I have given up e4 in cc will play e4 if we play again as I have some ideas against it. Thanks for the reply


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-05-02 15:59:02)
Showdown time

It seems we should have a (deeper!) look at WC-Quarter Final Riccio-Zubac - it is showdown time! The both last games are equal for all the 33 moves and Riccio has just to draw for the match win - easy? I'm not sure.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-05-02 21:32:37)
Showdown Number 2

WC-Knockout Final Ingersol-Utesch: Ingersol has just to draw the both last games. Most games in this final has been much better for him, but not good enough for a win. And at the end there is a single game with a very complicate position (#17894) which is making the situation extremly thrilling! No one can be sure what will happen.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-02 22:36:29)
Lasker Variation of the From's Gambit

My game against Marc-Eric Plante is finally over after more than a year. I've been dabbling with the idea that this line of the From's gambit may be losing by force. If someone can find an improvement for Black with some supporting analysis, I'd love to see it. http://chessmusings.blogspot.com/2008/05/from-night.html


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-03 06:22:50)
Arena

I have loaded Rybka into Arena and it seems to be performing at a superchetged rate - unfortunately I cannot make sense of its analysis out put. I am used to a Fritz environment where you can select how many different moves it displays and it ranks them and assisgnsa value + 1.1 etc. it does the same for other uci engines. In arena hoe do I get this kind of output??


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-03 09:09:01)
Rating list

Hi Jason, this is a temporary bug that should be corrected in a few hours...


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-03 09:28:38)
From??

Completely lost for black imo its madness to throw away a pawn like this at cc - I suppose there might be some way to grovel for a draw after 4..Nf6 black will probably get his pawn back unless white plays e3 and d4 when he has the hole on e4 has a kind of compensation. After 4..g5 can put up more of a fight with 5...Nc6 at least white doesnt get quite such a massive a massive centre All black has are some tactical tricks and a temporary lead in development once white avoids these and gets his pieces out of the box its dire for black. The last GM to play this as black (Kotronias) got a completely lost position although he won the game! On the other hand 1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white .... if everyone would reply with the From I would play nothing else but f4!!!


Jason Repa    (2008-05-04 07:45:33)
From??

I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to conclude that all variations of the From's Gambit are busted. We might end up finding out that some variations of it are fine for Black.

I also disagree with your statement that "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white". Assuming I'm willing to hypothetically go along with the argument that there's supposedly something "wrong" with 1.f4, even though it's at worst a Dutch Defense a move up......you're not taking into consideration the fact that some people actually do more than "play" correspondence chess and want to practice lines they play in live tournaments. 1.f4 has been played by many of the world's greatest players, and in serious competitive tournaments. Fischer, Kasparov, Lasker, and many others have played 1.f4 occasionally, and there are many current IM's and even a GM (Henrik Danielsen) who have played it quite frequently.

Perhaps your idea of "playing chess" is to simply plug a position into various chess engines and mindlessly relay the moves your program suggests, but as for myself, I use the data I acquire from my cc games to prepare for my real chess (chess between human mind vs human mind). Anything other than that is just analysis or group study at best.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-04 10:27:37)
How fast is your computer?

I think I'm a bit out gunned here. I'm running BATTLE CHESS on a Commodore 64. Luckily I just acquired a 5.25" floppy drive (rendering my cassette tape drive obsolete) so I can now store my games on removable media.

I believe its running at 1.023 MHz.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-05-04 14:23:28)
Commodore 64

Also for Commodore 64 a good chess program was Sargon 3. It was great! I will try to find a good C64 emulator


Benjamin Block    (2008-05-04 15:41:43)
How fast is my computer.

My computer is a AMD Sempron(tm)1.80 GHz.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-05 11:09:26)
AMD Sempron

Mine is even slower :/


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-05 12:50:53)
From here to eternity

Yes there might be some variations that are survivable especially OTB but at cc its tough to give up a pawn so early on. I think f4 is a perfectly ok first move (like b4) I just think it does not give any prospect of an opening advantage at cc because there is no surprise value and the black player has the time to research and find a response that equalises fairly quickly. That is why very few GM's have F4 as a main white weapon - it does not give enough prospects for an advantage - at the highest levels. Please note that qualification. I quite agree real chess is between people in real time and cc is a form of research competition. Getting experience for real world chess is a great reason to play a line at cc. There are exceptions OTB I often play the exchange french and have had good success (played by Kasparov Tal Morphy and others) I would not play it at cc though! In fact OTB I always play e4 but at cc gave it up because I see no way to get any adavantage against the caro kahn. Just relaying the moves the computer suggests does not, I think, give much chance of success against good players at cc. As for the From I do not believe in g5 white has to avoid the tricks and develop and is a pawn up. Not so easy otb!! - but at cc not so much of a problem. As for Nc6 yes I was talking about this move after 5 g3 and you are probably right I will try to look at the game you gave and do some analysis. As for the Mestel variation I thought black would get the pawn back unless e3 and d4 are played but again that was based on a quick look. Anyway perhaps the thematic tournament wil provide some answers.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-05 14:18:51)
Will follow

Yes actually I did not find the way either - but got the feeling their might be a problem like win somewhere!! Good luck to both players


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-05-05 16:14:09)
Amazing ....

..., solution for some variants is covered by a problem-like position, where engines can't help. I found it after analyzing this position and the forced way about 40 hours. A lttle bit knowledge and a lot of work and luck, that is the mixture you need for a win in high level correspondence chess game.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-06 01:52:34)
Problem like win

Yes I thought so - I felt there was something there! Maybe it seems like luck because its not easy to explain how the answer is found it seems to be stumbled across.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-06 03:59:45)
Bird's Opening

Comparing 1.b4 to the Bird's Opening is just revealing your lack of chess knowledge. There have been many books written about the Bird's Opening. It has it's own discrete chapter in MCO, and its played in serious games in professional chess still today, as I've already mentioned to you. I wasn't making an argument that it should be someone's "main weapon", and I don't use it as a "main weapon" myself. Your original statement that I was contesting was: "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white".

I'm significantly higher rated than you are on this site, and I beat you quite easily when we played last year (only took me 33 moves if I recall), so I don't think you're any authority in cc either.

And you shouldn't equate a lack of an "opening advantage" with winning potential. Chess is a complex game, and its not about simply trying to make the best theoretical move all the time. It's about defeating your opponent. Theory suggests that 3.Nc3 is the strongest objective continuation for White against the French Defense, yet you still see 3.Nd2 quite regularly and even 3.e5 sometimes. There is more to think about than trying to get an opening advantage when it comes to winning a chess game. There is positional maneuvering and jockeying, as well as psychological factors to consider.

Additionally, trying to win the most games on an online correspondence chess server isn't everyone's goal. Some of us play real chess and use the information garnered here to assist us in our over the board play.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-06 04:24:31)
Bird's Opening

Here's a few more wins played on this site I obtained with 1.f4 http://members.shaw.ca/winnipeg_chess/birdsopening.htm I've actually never lost a single game with this opening. Hardly seems like a "waste" to me.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-06 12:10:33)
Strictly for the birds

Thanks for the link for the games they are nice. Obviously playing the From or the approach adopted by black in these games is not an accurate response! Better to play like Of course 1f4 does not lose or lead to a worse gane for white - it just allows black to get equality very quickly and easily. The "waste" is that white has the first move and a lead in development and chances for an advantage. 1 f4 doesnt develop any piece (except the king!) and is a bit committal and slightly weakening of the king side. I would like to show with analysis exactly what I mean. Black has many good systems here is one. 1 f4 d5 2 Nf3 g6 3 g3 (e3 is the other way to play more on that) Bg7 4 Bg2 Nf6 already black is equal IMO. GM Jakubiec (2524) played this position 3 times last year as white against Rozentalis (2581), Bartel(2608) and Kadziolka (2295) and won all 3 games! He would 0-0 play Q-h4 and g4 f5 and roll them over! In every game black got an advantage in the opening and lost but at cc thats not going to happen. In each game it was easy to see blacks mistakes and to see the right move to maintain an advantage for black. The other set up for white is to play 3 e3 (instead of g3)Bg7 4 Be2 (4 c4 is interesting)Nf6 5 0-0 0-0 6 d3 and now after c5 its level but I would rather play black. Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta. These Dutch reversed attacks can be scary to face otb but they are harmless at cc. Conclusion: 1 f4 is a dangerous move otb especially where the opponent is not expecting it but against an accurate cc player it does not offer any hope of an opening advantage - its a waste if the goal is to get some opening advantage - its productive if the goal is to gain experience and insight into f4 for use in real chess.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-06 15:01:06)
A bird in the hand

I think comparing f4 to b4 is quite reasonable - they are both off beat openings. On the question of chess knowledge I do not know how much he knows about b4? It can also be a dangerous practical weapon and can pose the black player more problems than f4. It is played by serious professional chess players in tournaments eg GM Christian Bauer (2626) has played it several times successfully this year and quite a few IM's regularly play it with success. Now to comparing rating sizes something I confess to not having done since I was in short trousers. My current rating is 2225 with a future rating of 2247 but with 2 rapid games in the pipe line this should be a future rating of 2300 + shortly lets see. Mr Repas rating is 2281 with a future rating at the moment of 2316. How significant is that? Well I had the opportunity to look at his games to see what his rating is made up of. 10 of his wins have come against the same opponent Sandor Porkolab and in 7 of these Mr Porkolab abandoned the games in level, drawn or in some cases better position for him. Given that in these "wins" he was often rated over 2100 or in one case over 2200 this has boosted Mr Repa's rating significantly. He has not so far had much success in WCC not having got past stage 2. As reference to my loss was made I can say that this was in a variation (the Prins of the sicilian) that I believe is unsound. Actually I overstepped the time limit while on vacation although I think the game could not be saved I learnt my lesson and do not play dodgy openings any more. I have never on the other hand been busted after 17 moves in a main line opening at cc as sadly Mr Repa found himslef against Bucsa Loan (Game 1249),then rated 1700. Then again I have stopped trusting the books and analyse for myself. Still less could I imagine being lost in a cc game after 16 moves in an exchange French (by tranposition) An instructive loss to Torsten Opas ( game 4388)- won with simple developing moves - worth playing over. Incidentally proves what I was saying about the exchange french it can be dangerous - although not of course, at cc. Finally there is Mr Repa's pet Bird shot down by Mr Kotlyansky in the approved way as follows 1 f4 d5 2 Nf3 g6 3 e3 g7 4 Be2 Nf6 5 0-0 0-0 6 d4 c5 7 dxc5 Qc7 and Black was fine winning in 72 moves. Never having lost with f4 did not include this because I suppose it was a bullet bronze game. I am afraid I am naive enough to think that people play chess on the server to win and increase their rating - clearly there are people who play to learn and strengthen their game and for whom results and rating are secondary. No doubt such people would not be interested in anything so vulgar as comparing ratings. Neverthe less its all just opinion and we are all free to express it within the rules of the server. So: f4 is a waste of time at cc little more than an invitation to draw and the From is unsound and almost like resigning.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-06 18:04:40)
From RIP

"would like to know how you refute the line which begin with 10..Bf5 instead of your opponent's move 10..Qe7. It usually continues with 10..Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 and now what?" The answer is 13 Be3 and after Be6 14 Bf2 f5 15 Nd2 GM Kotronius tried 15..Qf7 16 0-0-0 Bxa2 when 17 e5 looks winning. Instead 16..fxe4! 17 Bxe4 Bxa2 and maybe black can hold with Na5 to come. Obviously 14 e5 is critical after 14 ..Bxe5 15 Bxc6 Rxh2 16 Rxh2 Bxg3+ 17 Rf2 black gets 2 pawns for a piece and an exposed king but white still has some winning chances. That leaves 13 ..Bd7 but the bishop is more passive and will probably end up going to e6 after f5 etc White has 14 Bf2 or 14 Kd1! intending Kc2 and Nd2 both look good. The problem for black is that his long term comp is the h file pressure which doesnt balance whites extra centre pawn. IMO


Pablo Schmid    (2008-05-06 20:13:21)
To Andrew

I would play 13..Bd7 to leave the e-file open. If 14.Bf2 then I play 14..f5 and I see nothing wrong for Black for the moment. 14.Kd1, I didn't look at that move, it seems interesting but really, Iam not that afraid. RIP? Easy to say...


Jason Repa    (2008-05-06 21:54:09)
Bird Brain loses in 33 Moves!

"Obviously playing the From or the approach adopted by black in these games is not an accurate response!"

That's not obvious at all. What's obvious is that I beat you quite easily when you and I played cc so you're far from being any kind of authority whatsoever!

"1f4 does not lose or lead to a worse gane for white - it just allows black to get equality very quickly and easily"

I just finished trying to explain to you, in the way a young child should be able to understand, that there is more to think about in chess than trying to play what current theory considers to be the best try for an opening advantage. Yet here you are rambling on about the same nonsense you were in your previous posts. Was Fischer's 2.d3 against the French the objectively strongest move? Even against (and perhaps especially against) computers, it can sometimes be better to play sidelines or moves which may serve to confuse an opponent. Is the King's Indian Attack the best try for an opening advantage for White? Probably not. But it was used by Kasparov to defeat Deep Blue. If you still can't understand the concept I've been trying to teach you, after several posts, I don't know what more I can do for you. Just keep mindlessly playing what established theory tells you are the strongest lines,(without having even the incipience of an understanding as to why) and keep mindlessly trusting the evaluations your program gives you, and you'll keep getting CRUSHED by guys like me.

"1 f4 doesnt develop any piece (except the king!) and is a bit committal and slightly weakening of the king side."

After this statement, if I didn't know better, I would have thought you were someone who just learned how to set up the pieces. It might be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say. Does 1.e4 develop a piece? How about 1.d4? I suppose those moves are "a waste in cc" as well. We should all be playing 1.Nf3 and 1.Nc3 according to you, lol.

1.f4 grabs space. It stakes out influence both in the center and on the kingside. It effectively prevents 1...e5 (lest White goes into a dubious gambit system) as an alternative to other moves which achieve this. There are also other intangibles that are part of the picture, such as the psychological effect the move may have, the lack of preparation an opponent may have against it, etc. If you ever began to understand chess at a level beyond just plugging moves into a program, you might start to appreciate that allowing concessions (such as the slight weakening of the White kingside resulting from 1.f4) is all part of the game. Fischer's famous quote: "you gotta give squares to get squares" is a famous example. If allowing static liabilities were something to be avoided at all cost, you'd never see a Sicilian Scheveningen. It allows all sorts of weaknesses.

As for your so called "analysis". It's a complete joke! For starters, you're "analyzing" a game resulting from the Leningrad Variation of the Bird's Opening. I line I've never played in my life, let alone here on FICGS. Is this how you try to win an argument/debate? By misrepresenting the facts? An intelligent person who genuinely felt that their argument had a leg to stand on, would simply take one of the 4 games I provided to you and do some analysis from there. Showing where Black could have improved. Then finally, after trying to "score points" with examples of the Leningrad Variation of the Bird's Opening, which I have never played, you post a game where White played poorly and lost to a lower rated player. As if that's never happened before in chess, lol. You don't even know enough to post the date of the game. I couldn't find this game on any of my databases(totally over 4,000,000 games), so if you didn't just make it up out of thin air, perhaps you got more wrong, such as the actual moves that were played, in addition to incorrectly stating:

"Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta."

Is it Black that lost here or White?

I took a brief look at the game, and it's hardly representative of proper play by White. 7.h3 was dubious at best. I prefer 7.Ne5. White then misses another opportunity to play the knight to e5 after 7...c5. Then 9.g4? is a gross thematic mistake. The only thing this game proves is that you're completely incapable of discussing chess in an intelligent way. Real chess players look for games that illustrate the critical lines for both sides, and try to arrive at some actual insights.

There is a reason I crushed you when we played cc last year.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-06 22:01:25)
10...Bf5

A good question Pablo. This is one of the points where I felt that Frenchie made an improvement. The main line used to be 10...Bf5, which I believe is worse than 10...Qe7, because White is a move up after the Bishop on f5 must move again soon.

For example; 10...Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 13.Be3!+/-


Jason Repa    (2008-05-06 23:08:30)
Bird Brain loses in 33 Moves!

"I think comparing f4 to b4 is quite reasonable"

You would. But we all know what happened to you when you and I played chess. I beat you in 33 moves. And we can see how not only do you not provide a game that's at least somewhat representative of the critical lines of the opening, but you can't even figure out when the supposed game was played, or whether or not White or Black won, and you only post a tiny fraction of it to boot. So evidently, what YOU think is not exactly to be regarded in high esteem here. Most people wouldn't have required my explanation where I described quite clearly how there have been many books written about the Bird's Opening. It has it's own discrete chapter in MCO, and its played in serious games in professional chess still today. They would already understand on their own, or would at least be intelligent enough to look up the information without having to have their hand held and have it spoon fed to them. But even after all this, you STILL don't understand. And you mention Christian Bauer who only pissed around with 1.b4 when he was playing opponents 400 elo LOWER RATED! One of his fabulous wins this year, that you were alluding to, was against 1861 rated Jacques Decamps, lol. The rest of the time they were 2100-2300. Has he ever played 1.b4 against another GM? (never mind super GM, as 1.f4 has many times been played against)

An opening move like 1.b4 might be fairly compared to something such as 1.g4. You won't see any dedicated chapter in MCO to either of those openings, but they're at least interesting enough to warrant some discussion in the "misc flank openings" chapter. 1.f4 might better be compared to something like Larsen's 1.b3. A sound sideline.

You want to talk about ratings? I've had to build up my rating from starting at the default of 1700, by winning 117 games (one of them against you), because I wasn't aware when I opened the account that the admin would let you start with your established elo. It's not surprising I played Sandor Porkulab a lot of times, as we both were very active playing a lot of games. Unlike you who started with the advantage of an inflated rating, which was somewhat tempered after that beating I gave you last year.

Sometimes in correspondence chess people abandon games and don't log in again. This was the case with Sandor Porkulab, although I had already beaten him a few times in games that were played to completion, and he wasn't better in any of the games that were abandoned. You're lying through your teeth there, or perhaps you're just too incompetent and dishonest to assess the games objectively. Why would Porkulab have 7 games against me where he was "level or better" when I had already beaten the guy every time we played before that? Did you even look at those games? Or is this just your pathetic way of trying to "score points" by using lies and deception? Additionally, the way the elo system works is that even if you do get a few easy points from say a win from an abandoned game that perhaps might have ended in a draw, that gain is quickly diluted and your rating naturalized as you play more games, because you win less points when you win,(or draw a higher rated opponent) and lose more when you lose (or draw a lower rated opponent), than you would have if you didn't receive those points. I've played many games since then and my rating here is probably where it would have been If I had not played Porkulab at all. Or if not already will soon be. So this is a pretty weak argument from you. A better argument is the fact that I CRUSHED you in 33 moves when we played. Porkolab at least gave me a decent fight when I played him. That's more than I can say for you. I felt like all I had to do was outsmart a machine when you and I played. I didn't have to worry about any human judgment from a real chess player getting in the way of my victory!

As for me getting a lost position after 17 moves against someone? For starters, I've played about 190 games here. What have you played.....32? And I think that's a testament to the fact that, unlike you, I'm a REAL chess player, so my goal here isn't to simply try to win the most online CC games to try to give myself some artificial illusion of ability. I don't always play what I consider to be the objectively best moves because I like to experiment and LEARN SOMETHING from the time I spend here. But having said that, I STILL outperform you greatly, and crushed you when we played last year. I'm also higher rated with a higher future rating, even though you had the advantage of started with a boosted initial rating. So much for what you "think" you know about the strongest moves in cc, lol. And your future rating is only 2247, not 2300+. If you want to discuss what might happen after some of your current games are resolved, don't sell me short at 2316, which is already a given. Talk about the 2370+ I expect to have after some of MY current games are resolved. If you want to argue/debate with someone, learn to do it in an intelligent and fair way. So far all you've accomplished is to lose the paltry amount of credibility you once had.


Pablo Schmid    (2008-05-07 00:34:11)
...

"Actually you're wrong once again Pablo. I know that you're only a 1912 rated player on this site" Yeah, on this site... I began here as a 1700 (the first rating here) and I lost many games on time or because I was very busy and in a hurry to play a move without checking seriously to not lose on time. And corr rating does not mean everything. I play OTB too. Do you? I would be happy to play with you, even if you seems a bit arrogant when I see the way you speak in general. And still, when I read that: "FYI, 5...Nc6 doesn't "put up more of a fight". It loses immediately to 6.Bxg5. I rarely have anyone play that badly against me in an online bullet game, let alone a cc game. and in the line with 4...Nf6 (called the Mestel Variation), there is no clear way for Black to win his pawn back. " There is not discussion about material, you seems to judge the position on the fact that Black could not regain the pawn, so they are worse...


Jason Repa    (2008-05-07 01:09:36)
Step up, or shut up!

"I know that you're only a 1912 rated player on this site" Yeah, on this site... I began here as a 1700 (the first rating here)"

Join the club. I started as a 1700 player also. You've lost over 25% of your games. And to weak opponents at that. So I'm quite justified in assuming that I'm a better chess player than you, and by a very wide margin also. The fact that you couldn't figure out on your own why 10...Bf5 is no improvement over 10...Qe7 is just icing on the cake.

But anyway, I've had enough of you whining about your low rating and making excuses for your poor performance in chess. Excuses are for losers.

And there was nothing "arrogant" in any of my statements. The problem here is your stupidity and incapability at understanding what has been said to you. I've already explained to you TWICE that you were wrong in assuming that there was an implication that "material is everything" when I was discussing the recovery of material. That was not said nor implied. What part of this isn't sinking into your skull? How many more times does it need to be repeated for you to be able to understand???

I don't normally give free chess lessons to insolent patzers like you, but I'd be willing to have you a few bullet games on a secure server like playchess.com where in bullet time controls you won't be able to use your chess program to do the thinking for you like you do here. I've already had this type of thing go down with another motormouth on this site. I beat him 100% of the games and posted a link to them. At least he was man enough to step up to the plate and play me. You made the challenge so don't back down with any excuses, like the excuses you used to explain your paltry 1912 rating. And obviously if we're going to play real-time chess with the assumption is that its going to be human mind vs human mind chess, it's going to have to be fast bullet games. Not standard blitz where you have time to see what rybka running on your other computer suggests. Let me know what your playchess.com account name is and when you're able to play.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-07 05:15:58)
f4 or not f4

1.0 Pablo here is a link you should read: http://www.avlerchess.com/chess-analysis/A_BRAND_NEW_Chessbase_9_for_sale_on_eBay_92649.html 2.0 Mr Repa here is a comment about the Dutch defense: "Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development" My point exactly about 1 f4 3.0 Mr Repa's chess federation of canada rating is listed as 2010 with an active rating of 1737. If he reaches am expected rating here of, by his account, 2370+ then everyone will be impressed particularly as Mr Repa says "I think I'm a bit out gunned here.I'm running BATTLE CHESS on a Commodore 64. I believe its running at 1.023 MHz." 4.0 It might be battle chess that accounted for the following cc (!) game as black he played against Torsten Opas 1.e4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 Nf6 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Be7 7.Ne5 Bd7 8.O-O O-O 9.Bg5 h6 10.Bh4 a6 11.Bxc6 Bxc6 12.Re1 Re8 13.Qf3 Qd6 14.Re3 Qb4 15.Rae1 Bd8 16.Qf5 Qxd4 (oops)17.Bxf6 Bxf6 and the game is already lost 5.0 Together with his loss with 1f4 that he forgot about here is another example of the correct treatment of f4 by black against Mr Repa 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.b3 Bg7 5.Bb2 O-O 6.Be2 b6 7.O-O Bb7 8.d3 c5 9.Ne5 Nfd7 10.d4 e6 11.Nd2 Nc6 12.Nxc6 Bxc6 completely dead for white no prospects and duly drawn. Like I said 1 f4 is a waste at cc. I doubt we shall see Mr Repa use it again against a good opponent on this site. 6.0 All the games I referred to were white victories OTB with 1. f4 "Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta." Alexseev lost and the criticisms of IM Sengupta's moves by Mr Repa are quite funny - thats the whole point. At cc Sengupta's play would not be impressive but otb it was effective. Incidentally the game was played in 2004 in India 8.0 1 g4 is like 1 b4? Well that is clearly wrong. There have been no GM - GM encounters with 1 g4 there have been several with 1 b4 including Topalov v Malakhatsov. Over 50 IM's and a dozen GM's have played 1 b4 very few have ever played g4. 1 f4 has been championed by GM Jakubiec who is the only GM who has played it regularly. 9.0 "What is weird is that the conversation began with quite civil exchanges before tiny criticisms quickly escalated to nuclear mode despite my genuine and exhaustive efforts at diffusion and removal of misinterpretation" Can anyone guess who is being written about here on another chess site?


Jason Repa    (2008-05-07 06:46:43)
Bird Brain loses in 33 moves!

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the behavior of this lowlife. After all, I beat him in chess and beat him in debate. I also caught him RED-HANDED telling lies and exposed him for what he is. What else is a sniveling coward to do but dig up old flame wars on the internet from four years ago, that have not an iota of relevance to any of the topics being discussed here. I bet his parents are real proud of him, LOL!

"Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development" My point exactly about 1 f4"

Another typical tactic from a chronic liar....to change the very premise of what was being argued. I'll refresh your memory since you don't have the mental capability of remembering your own words. The statement you made was: "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white". That is what I contested. I never disputed that there is some weakening of the kingside involved here. But some weakening of the kingside doesn't mean it's a poor opening choice. You're trying to win an argument with lies and misrepresentation. Try being honest and sticking to the facts for once in your life.

My otb tournament rating is currently 2010, but my active rating is not anywhere near what you're suggesting. I'm actually much stronger in both 30 minute active and blitz chess. I won more blitz tournaments in 2007 AND 2008 than anyone else in my region, ahead of 2 FM's. And my performance in active events is in the mid 2100's based on all the otb active events I've played in over the last 5 years.

In the region I play in we don't have many active events. So I've only played in 2 that were rated, and that was over a decade ago. The provisional ratings used were far below what everyone was worth (not just me). We had a strong FM who was competing at 1800 and change, while both his FIDE and national rating were in the neighborhood of 2300. Stranger things have happened in small clubs.

Did anyone notice how the coward won't discuss what HIS national otb rating is? We don't hear a word from him about that. Very telling indeed!

Then the little weasel reposts a game that he already posted in this thread earlier. Could it be that the poor loser whom I CRUSHED in chess, has run out of ammunition with which to compensate for the fact that he lost to me? I've lost 6 games, drew 59 and won 117 on FICGS, including the beating I gave to you. I beat you EASILY and I'm HIGHER RATED than you. Keep crying about that. Its entertaining.

Again, crybaby, if 1.f4 is a waste at cc, why did I gain rating points here playing 1.f4. And why did I beat you so easily at chess? I think I proved on the chess board, that you don't know what you're talking about. All you have is lies, slander, and random usenet group flame wars from 4 years ago. I have FACTS:

I BEAT YOU IN CHESS AND I'M HIGHER RATED THAN YOU ARE.

""Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta." Alexseev lost and the criticisms of IM Sengupta's moves by Mr Repa are quite funny "

You're copying and pasting the same nonsense you posted earlier. Did you even read the words you typed? You're saying "look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as Black", as if he's the one who lost. Then You switch it around and suggest that Evgeny Alexseev was White and say that he played 9.g4. Are you pretending to be this stupid or is this really how you are? As I said earlier, you're probably making the whole game up, or at least changing moves around, etc, because it doesn't appear anywhere that I could find, and you're still not bright enough to figure out how to post the whole game as you were asked to do earlier. It's a pretty sad state of affairs of that's the ONLY game you can think of to try to smear a legitimate and recognized opening such as Bird's Opening. Whoever played White played very poorly. I spelled out for you the moves that White played that were very poor. Did I use any words too complex for you to understand?

" 1 f4 has been championed by GM Jakubiec who is the only GM who has played it regularly"

This is also pure nonsense. There are MANY strong GM's (and super GM's)who haved played 1.f4 in serious games. GM Henrik Danielsen used it as a MAIN MOVE for many years also.

Keep posting lies, slander, and irrelevant 4 year old flame wars from the internet little man. I defeated you in chess and in debate. I proved that what you said is pure nonsense. All you have is hot air!


Jason Repa    (2008-05-07 06:52:38)
Don't be a poor loser Stephenson!

The conversation was civil, until you flipped your lid when I reminded you about the beating I gave you over the chess board. You also couldn't handle being proven wrong about what you said about the Bird's Opening.

Can anyone guess why this coward won't post HIS national rating???

Go ahead, repost my loss to Torsten Opus a few more times. Until everyone reading this thread knows what kind of a waste of skin you are. See if posting that game over and over again gets them to forget about the fact that I CRUSHED you in chess and am much higher rated than you are.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-07 06:57:07)
Bird Brain loses in 33 moves!

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the behavior of this lowlife. After all, I beat him in chess and beat him in debate. I also caught him RED-HANDED telling lies and exposed him for what he is. What else is a sniveling coward to do but dig up old flame wars on the internet from four years ago, that have not an iota of relevance to any of the topics being discussed here. I bet his parents are real proud of him, LOL!

"Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development" My point exactly about 1 f4"

Another typical tactic from a chronic liar....to change the very premise of what was being argued. I'll refresh your memory since you don't have the mental capability of remembering your own words. The statement you made was: "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white". That is what I contested. I never disputed that there is some weakening of the kingside involved here. But some weakening of the kingside doesn't mean it's a poor opening choice. You're trying to win an argument with lies and misrepresentation. Try being honest and sticking to the facts for once in your life.

My otb tournament rating is currently 2010, but my active rating is not anywhere near what you're suggesting. I'm actually much stronger in both 30 minute active and blitz chess. I won more blitz tournaments in 2007 AND 2008 than anyone else in my region, ahead of 2 FM's. And my performance in active events is in the mid 2100's based on all the otb active events I've played in over the last 5 years.

In the region I play in we don't have many active events. So I've only played in 2 that were rated, and that was over a decade ago. The provisional ratings used were far below what everyone was worth (not just me). We had a strong FM who was competing at 1800 and change, while both his FIDE and national rating were in the neighborhood of 2300. Stranger things have happened in small clubs.

Did anyone notice how the coward won't discuss what HIS national otb rating is? We don't hear a word from him about that. Very telling indeed!

Then the little weasel reposts a game that he already posted in this thread earlier. Could it be that the poor loser whom I CRUSHED in chess, has run out of ammunition with which to compensate for the fact that he lost to me? I've lost 6 games, drew 59 and won 117 on FICGS, including the beating I gave to you. I beat you EASILY and I'm HIGHER RATED than you. Keep crying about that. Its entertaining.

Again, crybaby, if 1.f4 is a waste at cc, why did I gain rating points here playing 1.f4. And why did I beat you so easily at chess? I think I proved on the chess board, that you don't know what you're talking about. All you have is lies, slander, and random usenet group flame wars from 4 years ago. I have FACTS:

I BEAT YOU IN CHESS AND I'M HIGHER RATED THAN YOU ARE.

""Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta." Alexseev lost and the criticisms of IM Sengupta's moves by Mr Repa are quite funny "

You're copying and pasting the same nonsense you posted earlier. Did you even read the words you typed? You're saying "look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as Black", as if he's the one who lost. Then You switch it around and suggest that Evgeny Alexseev was White and say that he played 9.g4. Are you pretending to be this stupid or is this really how you are? As I said earlier, you're probably making the whole game up, or at least changing moves around, etc, because it doesn't appear anywhere that I could find, and you're still not bright enough to figure out how to post the whole game as you were asked to do earlier. It's a pretty sad state of affairs of that's the ONLY game you can think of to try to smear a legitimate and recognized opening such as Bird's Opening. Whoever played White played very poorly. I spelled out for you the moves that White played that were very poor. Did I use any words too complex for you to understand?

" 1 f4 has been championed by GM Jakubiec who is the only GM who has played it regularly"

This is also pure nonsense. There are MANY strong GM's (and super GM's)who haved played 1.f4 in serious games. GM Henrik Danielsen used it as a MAIN MOVE for many years also.

Keep posting lies, slander, and irrelevant 4 year old flame wars from the internet little man. I defeated you in chess and in debate. I proved that what you said is pure nonsense. All you have is hot air!


Pablo Schmid    (2008-05-07 08:29:01)
My last message to you

Too much insults. My OTB rating is stronger than yours, but I don't wanna tell you my life. But even the level is not the problem. Every GM that played against me always respected me, so they can be better and sympathic. Before a chessplayer, I am an human and I hope in real life you don't speak like that to the people. No need to insult, I never did to you and I won't even if you did. Now I won't speak with you anymore and if I play with you one day by the server, I will try my best to beat your machines. Thibaut De Vassal, j'espère que tu vas réagir face à un tel comportement, car je pense que tu es d'accord avec moi que c'est intolérable, un tel manque de respect.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-07 13:10:18)
Declining the From

"From's Gambit ... Hi, is there a valid way to decline the From's Gambit without falling onto the Kings Gambit?"

That's the usual way. Although I can't see why anyone would want to decline the gambit. All variations indeed seem to be quite good for White.

"Even if the Froms Gambit may not be sound, I do not like to be defending, especially against players stronger than myself."

In that case you might want to switch to 1.Nf3 or 1.b3 with the idea of transposing into the Bird's Opening later. This is what I often do in OTB play. Of course Black doesn't necessarily have to allow you to transpose, though.



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Jason Repa    (2008-05-07 13:43:09)
Lasker Variation of the From's Gambit



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My correspondence chess game with Marc-Eric Plante finally wrapped up after over a year. It was an interesting game, IMO, and I thought that Marc had made some improvements over what had been played before by Black, such as 10...Qe7!? (instead of the usual 10...Bf5). However, it's been my thought that the Lasker Variation of the From's gambit might, at the end of the day, be lost for Black with perfect play. I'm not sure of Black could have done anything different in this game. http://chessmusings.blogspot.com/2008/05/from-night.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-07 19:34:00)
Reminder : Forum rules

Hello all. The previous thread about From's Gambit has been closed.

As a reminder of the site regulations :

11. 1. Netiquette

(...) No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden (...). In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.

Provocation is just ridiculous when alone...


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2008-05-10 21:24:00)
Patches

My own laws of murphy about patches(being a programmer) - from my own experience:

1. A patch will allways replace a bug with more.

2. A patch will make your program taking more space on hdd, and more memory while running.

Effects: Higher probability of operating system to crash, because of lake of resources Therefore the probability of program to crash is direct proportional with the number and the size of patches.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-12 01:14:13)
Rating changes

Could you write a script that removes players whose rating falls below the requirements before the tournament starts? It doesn't seem fair that a 2100 player should be playing in a tournament intended for 2200-2600 players.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-12 10:14:41)
Rating changes

1) There was never a "rule" stating that a player has carte blanche to drop as many rating points as they want and still enter a tournament for which they do not meet the rating criterion.

2) Thibault has already manually removed players from rating lists for this reason. Nobody is being "penalized" except the players who are legitimately qualified to play in that category and who must play with the lower category player. The rating average is being erroneously brought down. The player who's rating was lowered is free to enter the correct waiting list for which his rating qualifies.

3) Your "C" class rating category is hardly comparable to the "M" class category where this has been an issue, so your opinion, even if it did have a shred of merit, which I proved it doesn't, is moot anyway.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-12 11:53:52)
Rating changes

Its predictable that someone who expects to be falling under 2200 soon would possibly like to cheat the system and stay on a waiting list they are not qualified to be on.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-12 14:40:08)
Rating changes

"11. 1. Netiquette (...) No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden (...). In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private."

Don the more I think about it the more I think your view is correct there is no need to make the drastic change that was proposed. I have a current rating of 2225 and future rating of 2247 but have no problem with a person whose rating falls after they enter a 2200 tournament I am in. However it would be good to get other players views as this proposed change would affect players of all levels.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2008-05-12 20:02:28)
Rating changes

Hello to all,

I think a player should be removed from the waiting list if his rating is out of the restriction of the tournament.

In my opinion TER means the rating at the start of the tournament not at the entry into the waiting list. If the tournament starts the current rating is used as TER.

For example in FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_M__000015 the games with Jason (!) and Sandor were rated with 2174 and 2147 and not with >= 2200 (their ratings when they entered the waiting list).

No words in the rules about this theme?

Best, Heinz-Georg


Jason Repa    (2008-05-12 21:42:44)
Rating changes

Nice of you to quote the one single solitary "M" class tournament that I was a few points short of 2200, out of the 7 such tournaments that I've played in, Mr. Lehnhoff, But my point stands. I would have had no problem waiting one more rating cycle back then if the rules were such to maintain the integrity of the rating categories.

As for the provocation that's going on here....It's amazing the lengths someone will go to for petty "revenge" after you beat them in chess.

Also, there is no point in quoting a "future rating" if you're not taking into consideration your losing games, some of which may end before the next rating cycle begins, that may indeed put someone under 2200.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-12 22:10:21)
Rating changes

Thibault, I'm curious as to what the bad consequences you speak of are, with regard to removing players who's rating falls short of the category requirements?


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 00:43:41)
How to Win against the Pin!

This was an interesting game I played last year. My opponent blamed his tardiness for the loss, but the position seems quite resignable for Black as far as I'm concerned.

http://members.shaw.ca/winnipeg_chess/beating_internet_trolls_at_chess.htm


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 07:12:22)
Netiquette

Looking back over discussions on this I see its tough to make progress: "The one who responds, particularly with insults (even ie. "hypocrite", or "thief"), has a greater responsability IMO. This remains a judgement and this has nothing to do in this forum. Better is to warn a moderator" "Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules : No reason & no evidence will allow anyone to insult anyone in this forum anymore." I agreed with these comments of Thibault before and I agree with them now.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-12 23:25:56)
Rating changes

It's amusing to witness the hypocrisy of someone who is perpetually provoking, ridiculing, and abusing to speak of there being no place for such offenses. And anyone who resorts to posting links to random, off-topic internet conversations from half a decade ago that have no relevance to the thread they are posting in, in order to try to get revenge for losing a chess game to the thread starter, is the lowest form of troll. I don't doubt that Thibault is aware of the intent of such an element, or the numerous and sundry ways they continue to try to provoke. In the end, we have to look at the results on the chess board. The fair medium for settling disputes. After all, that's why we're here in the first place (no offense GO players)....to play chess. In this arena, I have soundly defeated my opposition.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-13 00:29:44)
Provocation

"(...) I don't doubt that Thibault is aware of the intent of such an element"

I'm sure you realize that absolutely noone cares about that, so a moderator. Any insult may lead to be banned (applying rules, at moderator's "discretion"), it is not a place to debate personal issues.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 08:25:55)
When will this troll stop?

This is hilarious! You've got a guy (and I use the term loosely) who goes WAY out of his way to insult, harass, and annoy, now trying to pass himself off as holier-than-thou. He's even following me around from thread to thread with the sole purpose of abuse and provocation. If I say the sky is blue, he'll say green. If I say 2+2=4, he'll say there is no proof of that. This character will not stop trying to provoke, as this thread proves.

I start an innocent thread describing an interesting game I played with someone. He immediately starts criticizing my choice of chess openings, made all the more laughable because I CRUSHED the guy in chess, and am significantly higher rated than he is. Perhaps this is what is fueling his little tirade. He then proceeds to post links to off-topic discussions that occurred 4-5 years ago as further harassment. And this is the same individual who is whining about, of all things, Netiquette? Irony to the EXTREME!

His latest tactic is to incessantly suck up to the site admin by making repeated hybrid posts which are intended to harass me while worshiping the admin. We'll see his signature phrase "I agree with Thibault" over and over again ad-nausiam. As if this somehow buys him respite for the provocative and abusive comments he CONTINUES to make towards me.

Although you're probably used to being in that position, please get off your knees and stop brown nosing Stephenson. It's pathetic. And before you start talking about Netiquette, please learn what the term means yourself. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you did.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-13 09:08:53)
Provocation

Hi Jason,

If you think anyone here provokes you by posting he disagrees with you (no matter the past, everyone here can express an opinion), feel free to ignore him or just do the same... That's not a problem for us as long as it is 'transparent'.

Provocation is just ridiculous when alone.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 09:59:15)
Provocation

Again I find myself in complete agreement with Thibault on this issue. Whatever differences there might have been in the past everyone should feel free to express their opinion. Often the best response is silence for example eg: starting a thread and getting no replies at all. That can be a message in itself.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 10:23:37)
Provocation

"Again I find myself in complete agreement with Thibault"

No surprise here. The brown-nosing fest continues!

Thibault, please define "transparent". The troll is continuing to harass me, even going to far as to address me by name, taking liberties and condescending with statements such as: "Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules". That is clearly both abuse AND provocation.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 12:00:22)
Quote

I am sorry I thought it was clear the comments in my post Netiquette were not my comments at all - they were quotations cut and pasted from Thibault himself - they are his words not mine, they came from a previous thread on Netiquette. Specifically the comment: "Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules : No reason & no evidence will allow anyone to insult anyone in this forum anymore." This is Thibault directly addressing someone it not a comment from me. That is why I prefaced my posting with the words "Looking back over discussions on this I see its tough to make progress" I was looking back over previous discussions and it seemed to me that we were covering the same ground and progress was difficult I thought in the present discussion these words were relevant and it was fair to quote them. IMO these comments are as valid now as they were when Thibault made them. Thats is why in the posting I said: "I agreed with these comments of Thibault before and I agree with them now." My view is simple - using insulting words is not permitted under any circumstances and if I have a problem with any words used I will contact Thibault privately and I will not complain in the forum. So I will continue to post to argue my point of view in a courteous manner


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 12:32:23)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

What's clear, Stephenson, is that you're a very sad and pathetic individual. You obviously have no life whatsoever. You've been harassing me and trying to provoke me nonstop. First you start this troll behavior in the other thread....now you're doing it here as well. Is this what you do to everyone who outsmarts you and beats you in chess, as I have done?

It's one thing to follow me around from thread to thread and harass me, but the brown-nosing and whining to the admin you've been doing has made me lose all respect for you entirely. Not that I had much to begin with.

You even go so far as to obsessively comb through all of my games, just to try to find one that you think will someone embarrass or offend me. You even start a thread featuring one of my games. Obviously none of your own games are worthy of mentioning, so you focus on me and my chess games, lol. Well I have news for you Stephenson, I'm not embarrassed at all about my correspondence chess game losses (or any losses in chess for that matter). I've learned a lot more from my losses than my wins. My 6 losses on FICGS have taught me more than my 118 wins here, including the easy win against you and your chess program.

Perhaps others can benefit from my 6 losses as well. Do the FICGS community a favor and post my other five losses, not just the French Defense I played against Bucsa Ioan, that you felt warranted starting a thread to discuss.

Unlike you, I'm a real chess player. I enjoy learning and wish to take my OTB game to the next level and I believe that correspondence chess is helping me to do just that.

What is YOUR OTB chess rating? Interestingly you didn't respond to that question when it was asked of you more than once previously, lol. Big surprise!


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 12:54:06)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

My obsessive fan is quoting my game with Bucsa Ioan played last year. Actually you have it backwards Stephenson. I trusted my database, which wasn't up to date. I wasn't even consulting an engine until around move 18, when it's already lost for Black. I thought quite a bit about alternative lines in this game, but found myself agreeing with the Psakhis analysis. That line is recommended by Psakhis in his book "French Defence - Steinitz, Classical, and other Systems". Additionally, 13...0-0 has been played by the likes of GM Dreev, as well as GM Marjanovic, as recently as 2003. But alas, it pays to keep your databases up to date for correspondence chess.

The game was a valuable learning experience for me. I'm very happy that it occurred. My otb opponents will never get me in that position as a result :)

I can't help but feel sorry for you Stephenson. Firstly I'm sorry that you don't have any of your own games worthy of publication, and that you need to vicariously live through me and post my chess games. Secondly, I'm sorry that you don't play otb chess and appreciate the joy of playing chess using your own mind. But then again, in your case, maybe that's a good thing. :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 13:22:56)
Provocation

I am sorry I cannot respond to a lot of what you have posted as such a response would breach the rules. I have not examined all your losses - just the French games - so I do not know how instructive they are I will try to review them later but I can't promise anything. However I am a great believer in checking lines I play with the database to see whats been learnt and how the top GM's handle the particular lines. All I learnt from my loss was not to play that particular line and to cut out all dodgy openings. In fact the line you played is not the strongest and I believe black can equalise - unfortunately I found an even stronger line for white which seems to refute the entire variation. There is however a book by an english GM from 2007 which looks at sicilian side lines and claims that there is no refutation. When I have time I will stick all the analysis up and people can make up their own minds. On correspondence taking someone's OTB chess to the next level I am a bit sceptical. It definitely has a significant effect on the accuracy of opening play and this can get some valuable wins by itself. But other progress needs separate study and training. Silmans Reassess your chess for example will increase the rating of any one below FIDE 2300 if studied intensively IMO.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 13:37:50)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

It's interesting how you feel qualified to post my games for analysis, when I ALREADY BEAT YOU in chess, lol. In fact I have a perfect score against you Stephenson. I'm also higher rated than you are to boot. So what you "claim to be a great believer in" is hardly of interest to anyone.

What IS of interest is the fact that you still refuse to answer the question of what YOUR otb rating is, after being asked three times. One can only conclude that you are embarrassed about how low it is. Under 1500?


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 13:57:40)
Databases and books

Well I dont think a book should ever be trusted for cc no matter who has written it. It should always be critically examined - playing 18 moves from the book without switching on the engine seems very risky. I think the position is lost after 13..0-0 14 Rb3 Qa5 15 Qd3 and I see no defence here. The only Dreev game I have in this line continued .. Nb6 16 Qg3 Nc4 and a draw was agreed.(Ivanchuk-Dreev 1993) Chess engines were not as good then and 17 f5 wins as was later discovered. Where are these GM games from 2003?? Its strange that your database does not have Rechlis (2525) - Zueger (2448) 2001 In fact an earlier game Ernst - Grigutavicus (1999)had seen white crash through with 15 Qf2 Nb8 16 f5 - although Nb8 does not look a very good move. Whats the date of this Psakhis book? I hope its not after 2001!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 14:12:54)
Advice

The recommendation was freely given if it does not interest you thats fine. My point remains cc helps opening accuracy im not sure it translates into much else OTB


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 14:17:46)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

I really couldn't care less what an internet troll with a <1500 otb chess rating, whom I've already crushed in correspondence chess, thinks about anything. Send emails to GM Dreev and GM Marjanovic, who have also played 13...0-0 and see if they feel differently.

Re-read my post a few times until you're able to understand what I said. Everything I stated is correct. I'm not going to hold your hand and spoon-feed everything to you.

As I said before Stephenson, it's sad that you don't have any of your own games worthy of publication, and that you need to vicariously live through me and post my chess games. I've never met anyone this obsessed with me. I don't think it's very healthy for you. In more ways than one.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 14:19:23)
Pachman

Yes its true there is a lot of great stuff in these old books Rudolfo but I like to check 'em I have got some Nunn stuff from the same time - incredibly accurate he may have been the best writer of opening books of modern times. Although I am basing that on his Najdorf books not other stuff on the Pirc etc which I dont know so well.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 14:33:15)
Opening books

I think the truth is that a lot of opening books are not always objective and someimes do not give the best lines or give assessments that are not always accurate. Active GM's someimes keep things back for there own use .. which is understandable I suppose. John watson seems to be an exception to this and produces very high quality opening work. The bottom line is you have to check them all IMO. Incidentally I am not sure there is much need to keep databases up to date - I suppose that refers to downloading games from TWIC. Most databases are up dated automatically.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 14:50:21)
ELO ratings

I believe ELO ratings are used for FIDE ratings I did not know you had a FIDE rating. I must say that ELO 2000 is an average to good club player and over 2200 in my experience is a good OTB rating. But looking at some of your OTB games between 1900 - 2000 seems to be the level of chess that I can see. Its ok - but the reality is that players do not improve very much after a certain age ...... Anyway at cc people tend to have it both ways if they win its because they are better players if they lose or draw its not real chess its just computers and it does not mean anything. I am sure we will play again at cc and then you can demonstrate your skill. If I win I will not place a great emphasis on it. It not difficult to draw a cc game if you have the resources to hand.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 15:08:20)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that a <1500 otb player, such as yourself Mr. Stephenson, wouldn't be able to figure out something that any normal 6 year old child would have no difficulty with. But then again, during our chess game in which I crushed you, I had the feeling I wasn't dealing with a mental heavyweight, to put it mildly. I'll hold your hand and explain it to you since there is probably no 6 year old child where you live to help you:

The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games such as chess, GO, backgammon, etc."Elo" is often written in capital letters (ELO), but it is not an acronym. It is the family name of the system's creator, Arpad Elo (1903–1992, born as Él&#337; Árpád), a Hungarian-born American physics professor. The Elo rating system has been adopted by many different organizations, including the USCF, CFC, FIDE, and others, as well as various online gaming servers.

My national elo rating is indeed over 2000, Stephenson. And yours is under 1500, as you've already confirmed.

I already beat you very easily in chess Stephenson. You're the little guy with something to prove here, not me.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 15:15:32)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

You don't know any professional chess players Stephenson. Who are you trying to kid here? You don't even know that the word is "download" not "down load", and "database", not "data base", lol. This is the problem with a mental midget mindlessly trusting machines, as you are doing with the spelling software. It is for this reason it was so easy to beat you in chess. I only had to outplay a machine, not outsmart a human who has the ability to THINK.

If you're such a "whiz" at correspondence chess, as you keep trying to convince me, and have such wonderful databases, why did I beat you? I think saying that I beat you is even a bit of an understatement. It was more like a slaughter!


Jason Repa    (2008-05-13 15:25:34)
Elo rating system

I trust I didn't use any "biggie" words you were unable to comprehend Stephenson. Hopefully you now understand your error and realize that the elo system is not only peculiar to FIDE chess ratings, but indeed used by many chess organizations, as well as other games.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-13 15:47:39)
Mr cfc

Frankly I have alway taken someone saying they have an ELO rating to refer to having a FIDE rating and not a national rating I understand that you need to deduct about 35 points from sub 2200 ratings to get a FIDE equivalent. Well I have never met anyone before who thought that FIDE 2000 was such a high rating I dont mean that in a bad way I am just surprised that you think this is high. As for beating me at chess I thought this was not real chess? Well like I said there is a sense in having it both ways. Look we could easily organise a money match at cc say for Euro 1000 6, 8, 10 games whatever you want, rapid time limit you can have white in every game and I can give you 3 to 1 odds. You win 1 game you get Euro 3000 you fail to win a game I get Euro 1000. All you have to do is win a game you can even lose all the other games. Well like I said it does not prove anything - its a research competition. I dont want to hustle you but you have been making a lot of statements so if you are interested ....... But please dont challenge me to bullet games on playchess......


Hannes Rada    (2008-05-13 23:53:25)
childish and offtopic

After posting No. 4 this thread becomes a childish and offtopic guerilla battle .... < It doesn't seem fair that a 2100 < player should be playing in a < tournament intended for 2200-2600 < players Are you afraid of losing so important FICGS - Elos when you have to play against lower rated opponents ?? If you want to play correspondence chess at top level than you have to sign up at ICCF.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-14 00:06:15)
Patience

Hello Hannes (& all).

Let's be patient :) Jason & Andrew have many things to tell to themselves and I must say it is a quite interesting "experience". Maybe we can change the rules at the end so let's wait for the end of the storm, then we can talk about chess for sure ;)


Jason Repa    (2008-05-14 00:35:54)
Re: Hannes query

I'm not "afraid" of playing anyone, and the FICGS rating points are only a means with which to play the stronger players. As I stated earlier, and in other threads, my primary interest in correspondence chess is to do research for my otb chess. Having said that I'm interested in playing the strongest players possible.

It's simple common sense that if a rating category says 2200-2600, then it should have players who are rated 2200-2600. Lower rated players are free to sign up for the category that they qualify for.

Do you play otb chess Hannes? You don't seem to have any otb rating as far as I can tell.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-14 21:31:38)
corr. & otb

"But cc rating does not implicitly say anything about chess strength."

I disagree. But first be clear that I'm talking about correspondence chess strength. I never said that corr. chess strength has a 1 to 1 relationship with otb chess strength. I know too many guys who are better corr. players than me that I could mop the floor with at any time control in a live chess game.

But having said that, I believe that people have high corr. ratings for a reason. At a minimum they're good at employing interactive chess engine research and have good updated databases. I think overall chess knowledge and judgment are factors as well. Stronger chess moves win more games. Yes, I understand that sometimes an ambitious 1800 can beat a higher rated opponent, on occasion, but it's overall results that are important, not anomalies. The same is true otb. Sometimes experts and national masters beat GMs. That doesn't mean they're a stronger chess player than the GM.


"Do you think the playing cc helps to improve your otb abilities?"

I'm not surprised you're getting differing stories. Like anything else, it depends on how you use the experience and of course on your individual aptitude. Some people will just memorize the opening theory they learn from corr. chess, if that. Others will do much more with those games, such as developing technique, increasing their strategic knowledge, learn more endgame theory, etc. I think it is without question that corr. chess can have great benefits for your otb chess game, if used properly. Just being forced to comb through opening books and game databases alone is useful.


"OTB requires the abilities to calculate deeplines correctly and to maintain concentration for a couple of hours"

I agree that the ability to concentrate well is important for otb chess, but I think you're overvaluing calculation. The reality is that otb is all about COMPETITION. It's a mental fight. I know guys are are great analysts, and with the right hardware/software would probably be great corr. players, but they don't handle the pressures and stresses that go along with competition very well. Judgment and competence, especially while under stress and duress, are of the utmost importance in otb. You can calculate as deeply as you want, but if you're expending energy calculating lines that you should have rejected, or mismanaging your time by thinking too deeply in a spot where it's not necessary, you won't get good results in otb.

I don't have any desire to try to get anywhere near 2700 level in corr. chess. And I agree with your analysis that it would not be fun anymore and become a huge drain of time sitting behind the computer. Perhaps not unlike what a professional chess player has to go through in order to prepare for their tournaments, with the chief exception that the professional chess player gets paid for such a sacrifice.


"...for the purpose of improving the otb abilities it would have been better to study chess books and solving tactical exercises than playing cc."

I don't see why these things have to be mutually exclusive. For me I get more motivated to study my chess books and look through my databases when the positions occur in games. I also think about what I'm doing and analyze the positions using my own mind when I play corr. chess. Maybe that's not the case for everyone, but it is for me. As for tactics, I think blitz/bullet against strong opponents can be very useful for developing that.


Hannes Rada    (2008-05-14 22:04:53)
Opening Favorites and taboos in cc chess

It's quite interesting to look at the top level cc - player's opening favorites. Against 1.e4: Almost everybody is playing Sicilian, Sveshnikov and Najdorf No more Dragon oder other Sicilian lines seems to be playable at top level. 1.... e6 (French) and 1....c6 Caro Kann are rarely played. A little bit more frequently is 1....e5. But I think that also the old Ruy Lopez is not really popular among the cc cracks. Against 1.d4: Here seems to be more diversity: But I think The Slav is definitely the most popular Black's defense, followed by Nimzo Indian, Kings Indian and Queens Gambit. Benoni and Wolga Gambit seems to be dead here. What do you think, is there no more space for French, Caro Kann and Aljechin Defense in todays cc practice ? Is Dutch and Modern Benoni no longer playable ? In the sixties Hans Berliner won the ICCF championship with Aljechin Defense


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-15 10:11:02)
Benoni

Hi Garvin No f4 occurred in just 1 game but Hector played the sequence Nf6 and e6. This year Topalov, Aronian Malakhov and Gashimov have all allowed f4 in the Benoni but it only happened in the Gashimov game. Top GM games seem to have a bias towards Sicilians Slavs and Semi slavs. Is it true that the Ruy Lopez is not so popular at top cc? It is extremely popular at GM level perhaps this reflects a bias at cc at the top level for Queenside openings. It certainly seems a lot easier to get a draw against e4 at cc.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-05-15 19:45:42)
Rating calculation

Hello all. I have been reading the discussions here and did not intend to add my t hought. But I guess I am anyhow. Chess is about having fun, making new friends, competing with your peers, last but not least improving your skill. I am playing in several M tournaments, a couple have players whose ratings have dropped below 2200. This not a problem for me. I think they should be allowed to play. With respect Wayne


Hannes Rada    (2008-05-15 23:06:25)
Openings

Hi Andrew, " It certainly seems a lot easier to get a draw against e4 at cc." I've the same feeling. But the top player vanOsteroom prefers definitely 1.e4 ! Does anybody know if 1.e4 or 1.d4 is played more often here at FICGS ? "He played it 3 times including the critical line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 c5 4 d5 exd5 5 cxd5 d6 6 e4 g6 7 f4 etc and got 3 draws against opposition of 2150, 2300 and 2400." Can this be considered as a success ? 50 % against lower rated opponents ? Normally Benoni is played when you want or have to win with black ... However Hector Walsh seems to have some fighting spirit. Andrew do you know the IECG server ? From time to time I get invitations from the IECG guys for their tournamengs, but never played there.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-15 23:14:37)
Books and databases

This thread is really about how reliance on books and lack of research can get someone into trouble ie a lost position after 13 moves in a main line opening - even with plenty of time and powerful chess engines available. Actually its not even necessary to own an up to date database to avoid this - the resources are freely available to anyone with an internet connection. The point about ELO is dead I think referring to ELO points is associated with FIDE ratings irrespective of the fact that most national rating systems use ELO's methodology. Mr Repa does not agree - thats it. "but when I'm dealing with who says down load and data base ..." I don't read anything into the omission of the word "someone" here nor the numerous spelling mistakes that have cropped up. Incidentally the book I referred to with analysis of the dodgy siscilain variation is called Experts V the Sicilian with different chapters by various GM's and IM's including a chapter on the pin variation about which one reviewer says: "we get no less than 12 pages on the “silly” Pin Variation, and in the end Aagaard seems unable to prove a certain advantage!" Whatever the truth about that variation its highly risky and not recommended for cc!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-05-15 23:36:07)
IECG

Hi Hannes Your right Hectors Benoni didn't draw blood but I guess its playable. Actually I dont like to play against it as it provokes a crisis very early on and the hard work starts quickly! On FICGS I think queen side openings are preferred by the top players eg WCH knockout matches - the exception is Peter Schuster who seems to play e4 a lot and is successful with it. Thanks for telling me about Van Osteroom's e4 preference I am keen to see what he plays against c6! - I mean the classical variation. Sorry I dont know too much about the IECG server.


Jason Repa    (2008-05-16 00:23:32)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0

Geez Stephenson, I thought you were done stalking and harassing me and had found something else to amuse your little mind with. Something shiny and metallic perhaps? But here you are continuing your trollish ways.

Actually, what this thread is REALLY about, is a pathetic little character who doesn't handle losing at chess very well. As was stated before, it's pretty sad that you don't have any chess games of your own worthy of publication or discussion, so you post one of mine and continue to rant, and rant, and rant about nonsense. I already BEAT YOU in chess. Quite easily, in fact. Could there be anything more ridiculous than a guy who loses at chess criticizing the play of the victor?

Normally when someone obsesses over me like this it's a female doing the obsessing. But hey, each to their own.

And yeah, it's pretty obvious you're someone with a lot of time on your hands. Nice of you to share that with us. But you only speak for yourself in that regard. Even with all your free time I was still able to beat you easily when we played chess.

Just look at this latest drivel you're posting. You go on and on and on about why I shouldn't have lost a chess game I played a year ago like this is some life and death event for you. It's really not a big deal to me. So why is MY game such a big deal to you? If you're trying to make an argument that I'm such a terrible correspondence chess player based on this game, why did I beat you so easily when you and I played? I'm also higher rated than you as well. If you're going to harass me with one of my losing games, at least have enough intelligence and imagination to vary the game once in awhile. You have 5 more to choose from.

Sorry but I've never met anyone clued out enough to put DOWN LOAD and DATA BASE before. This isn’t a minor spelling mistake or typo. This is a surprising lack of education. What’s next, “COMP -UTER”? A chess player should especially be familiar with the word DATABASE. But as I said earlier, some people mindlessly trust machines, and don't have the capacity to think for themselves. People like that like to brag about their meticulous spelling, because even a chromosome-deficient inebriate can figure out how to use spelling software. Most of us couldn't be bothered, because we realize that spelling is not important when making casual internet forum posts.

And no, Stephenson, the "point" about ELO is not dead. It's your ability to learn and understand simple concepts that appears quite dead here. This has nothing to do with me not "agreeing" with you. This has to do with objective fact. An ELO rating could be talking about GO, Backgammon, or other games, that FIDE has absolutely nothing to do with, in addition to national rating organizations. You were wrong. End of story. Continuing to defend your ignorance of the meaning of ELO is just making it all the more obvious what it is you are to everyone reading this. Again, Stephenson, LOOK IT UP.


Don Groves    (2008-05-16 06:03:34)
Erm...

Hi, Lincoln -- You learn quickly here to save long postings. That has happened to me more times than I care to admit ;-) The timeout for automatic logging off seems to vary considerably -- sometimes minutes, other times hours.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-05-18 12:58:25)
One more...

What about seeing score of white and black in thematic tournaments?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-19 06:35:14)
Major update (may 2008)

Hello to all, a new update including :

- Regular tournaments with prizes (see thread "Free tournaments with prizes")

- Norms, titles and prizes are now announced by email.

- Players with Epoints are shown in the connected players list (My messages).

- Affiliate links : For each new player referred by your link (see My account) posted on the world wide web, 1 Epoint will be added to your account.

- Search games function improved : You can now search games by opening and by rating (White & Black)


All feedback welcome :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-19 06:49:44)
Free tournaments with prizes

Hello to all.

You may have noticed that some free tournaments now have prizes :

FICGS__CHESS__CLASS__SM : 15 Epoints
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS__M : 5 Epoints
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS__A : 1 Epoints

FICGS__CHESS__RAPID__SM : 7 Epoints
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID__M : 2 Epoints
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID__A : 1 Epoints

FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__M : 15 Epoints

FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_PRO : 45 Epoints
FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_DAN : 15 Epoints
FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_III : 5 Epoints
FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_II : 1 Epoints

Membership and Help sections have been updated, see :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#prize

"When a player wins a free tournament with a prize in E-Points, the current prize displayed for that tournament when the winners list is updated is added to his FICGS account. Prizes may change (most probably increase) during free events at the tournament director's discretion."

Previous chess class SM winners and a few others have received these prizes already.

It is also possible to win free Epoints by posting your affiliate link (see My account) on the web. For each new player referred by this link, 1 Epoint will be added to your account.

Thanks to all, I hope prizes can grow in the near future, also for the WCH cycles :)

Best wishes, Thibault


Richard Blank    (2008-05-19 16:24:57)
Chess player in Costa Rica.

After reading a few threads, I wanted to introduce myself to this community. I look forward to sharing ideas with other forum members on how to improve my game. I am new and have played very little. Yet, I find the game stimulating and very competitive. Hats off to those that are masters. Quite a gift. Best regards, Richard http://www.costaricascallcenter.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-19 16:56:33)
Finished games

Good idea, it is now implemented and will be included in the next update (in a few hours). Thanks !


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-21 21:18:12)
"je dirais même plus"

Define "free" without using mysticism :) .. Anyway, I vote Yes !


Graham Cridland    (2008-05-21 21:55:39)
dxc5

Nice, safe route to a draw, which seems inevitable in that position anyway. Black's kingside is well defended and there aren't any obvious d-file tricks, so the best move from a wasted-effort standpoint might be a draw offer.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-05-22 15:38:20)
Decency

I think, judgement of this behaviour is not a question of ruling but of decency!


Arnab Sengupta    (2008-05-22 17:50:45)
ruling?

Chill guys!!!!!!!!!!! i'm not playing this game in FICGS or any server.....i'm playing it with my brother and we wanted to find some good defense for Balck, thats why i asked for your help!!!! Now if you people have so much problem with it, then i'll take that blame from you.....Whats the use in discussing chess position then???


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-22 18:08:10)
ruling

There's no problem, Arnab :) Everyone's free to discuss any position with anybody here. Everyone's choice.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-05-23 05:47:01)
27.-- Rb8

It was losing after 28.Qc6, as I remember.


Michael Aigner    (2008-05-23 10:30:13)
White is simply better

Hi Arnab, in my opinion it is too late to look for improvements after move 26. I think white has just the better game (for ever) because of the unsafe black king. Regards Michael


Mik Kris    (2008-05-27 19:01:02)
i am a go player looking for some thing

i know there arent so many of us here but one thing i wuld like to be able to do is to say chalnge some one for a game also how about behing able to bet E-Points on a normal game without having to make a turnemant just to bet aginst my oponent


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-27 19:07:57)
E-Points

Hello Mik.

"chalnge", you mean challenge I assume.

Well, as E-Points may be converted in real money by winning silver/gold games, I bet you understand that it should lead quite quickly to some problems & abuses :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-05-28 00:32:54)
Advanced Go games

Actually, it should also open a pop-up window if your browser allow it for the site. Anyway you should remove from the waiting list if you can't check the page regularly.


Mik Kris    (2008-05-29 06:37:00)
so thing you might not know about go

go is not about making a better move its about keeping the game equal you cant win in go unless youre oponent had a misstake that you fix or a simple misstake you didnt evean have to fix most players take too long to realy understand this hell i know this i stil dont understand it but its true ask any strong player or pro its evean more true in our kyu games where we make a wrong move every few also i took some time lookin at some games on this site it seems that most players here dont use the extra time they have to read or make shape any way in fact many games are lost becouse of misstakes in reading what seems to me becuse the lack of faster games where you have to read perfactly fast


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-05-31 04:46:39)
Scientology

There was an important breakthrough, scientology is a desease, the virus was just found, it is a close cousin of the HIV virus.

A colateral effect is a temporary sterility, that's why Tom could not have children before.

The only cure is the euthanasia.


Don Burden    (2008-05-31 13:28:03)
Scientology

I remember hearing Isaac Asimov on a radio talk show once. He told the story about the time L. Ron Hubbard, Robert Heinlein, and himself were sitting around a table talking. There was a bet made at that time between Heinlein and Hubbard that Hubbard couldn't create his own religion.


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2008-06-01 15:26:35)
Problem....Problem

There is a problem.... In 1986 L. Ron Hubbard disappear. At that time there were questions concerning this. What really happend with him.


Don Burden    (2008-06-01 18:50:35)
Problem....Problem

"Find a Grave" site says he was cremated and his ashes scattered in the Pacific Ocean:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=3476


Ulrich Imbeck    (2008-06-02 01:33:37)
Satanic Elements of Scientology

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/satanic1.htm


Don Groves    (2008-06-02 04:42:09)
Satanic elements

I don't know if they are satanic but they have lots of lawyers, which amounts to the same thing ;-) What other "church" has so many lawyers or so much money to spend on them.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-02 09:13:06)
Go game (weiqi) in films

An excellent movie called "Pi" that was written and directed by Darren Aronofsky features scenes in which a mathematical prodigy visits his former professor to discuss math and play Go.


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2008-06-02 11:26:52)
can't remember the title

I was go played in a movie with a chinese princess. And 3 princes that wanted to marry her...


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-06-02 17:04:24)
May be you will find it useful.

http://www.xenu.net

http://forums.enturbulation.org (http://forums.enturbulation.org/15-breaking-news/announcements/how-can-you-help-current-ops-5-24-08-update/)


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-06-02 18:54:39)
Rapid chess entry rating

I sure do not like the entry 2100-2300. I guarantee you, I will not enter here, and I doubt that any other mid 2200 player will enter either, It is a opportunity bracket for 2100 players. It is not easy I know to managed rating requirements for tournaments. But the proper bracket for the 2300 entry tourney should be 2200-2400. That is my opinion. So it the rating entry of 2100-2300 will attract 2100 players for the most part, a great opportunity for them to advance and a darn good chance that a 2200+ player to loose points (guaranteed) cause rybka prevails, in the hands of a 2100 Player. Bravo Rybka ! With respect Wayne


Garvin Gray    (2008-06-02 19:14:39)
response


Wayne, this is an enternal problem and while you complain about it for the rating group 2100-2300, saying that only 2100 will benefit from it.

No matter what the rating bracket, it has been shown on this site many times that very few players will enter a waiting list when their entry is just below the cut off.

So changing the rating limits to 2200-2400 will not change this behaviour, all it will do is move the 'problem'.



Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-02 21:03:24)
Leagues ?

If this tournament is a multi-stage one, I suppose it looks like the leagues(?) system (kind of championship like in soccer), where the 2 top players in each tournament could replace 2 players in the tournament above :/

Disadvantages:

1) Players will not know which division they'll play.

2) Harder to organize automatically.

Interesting to discuss anyway !


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-02 21:44:21)
Poll : Texas hold'em Poker at FICGS ?

Hi all,

Still thinking about adding other games at FICGS. Of course, Xiangqi and Shogi are good candidates, a popular one (I quite like) would be poker texas hold'em. What do you think about such a [chancy] game played for fun at a correspondence time control at FICGS ?!

All opinions or advices are welcome.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-03 02:47:02)
Poker

Poker is not really poker without a monetary wager, similar to backgammon.
Unlike chess or snooker, where a brilliantly played game can be satisfaction enough, the entire point of poker is to win money (cash game) or accumulate chips (tournament) by hook or by crook. Achieving this in practice has much more to do with exploiting mistakes and emotional weaknesses in your opponents than doing anything "brilliant".

As for "Play money" poker, it's for bored housewives and people who have too much free time on their hands. These are the same people who kill time by playing solitaire.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-03 02:59:46)
Internet poker

Hi Jason, that's an interesting view and I agree with that, particularly on internet poker. That's why I'm thinking about a typical "FICGS" way to play it, ie. tables with 2 players only, with a ELO rating system (without money, does this exist elsewhere ?), a championship, eventually E-Points (without entry fees) and so on... What do you think ?


Jason Repa    (2008-06-03 03:14:01)
Poker at FICGS

I've never heard of poker having an elo rating system. There is too much of a luck factor in order for that to be meaningful IMO. Obviously there is some skill in poker, but the fruits of this only manifest in the "long-run". Even top professionals have had losing periods in excess of a year in duration.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-06-03 03:56:21)
Entry Rating

Okey Dokey Gavin, your right of course. I just feel like fewer players are inflicted with this misery at 2200-2400. I guess I am biased tho. I forsee that for me reaching 2300 will be almost impossible with the new bracket...I am in several tournaments at the previous bracket rating system, my hope is I can make it in this way, just dunno Thank you Wayne


Jason Repa    (2008-06-03 08:06:37)
Poker

There's a bit more to the game than just knowing when to bluff. Poker is all about exploiting mistakes and minimizing both the frequency and magnitude of the mistakes that you make. Mistakes can take various forms, ranging from tells, to lack of or too much aggression, to letting your emotions get the better of you, making mathematical errors, etc.

Money management is meaningless if you're making -EV decisions.


Garvin Gray    (2008-06-03 15:06:41)
One division or maybe league play.


Mine was just a one tournament suggestion as a trial and did not envisage any kind of league concept. Thought it might help with the rating entry problems talked about in many threads.

But that has potential too. I thought this was worth a go as a single tournament ie no leagues.

If it succeeds and is popular, then it can go from there. If it fails, so be it, it just disappears into the ether like all other dud ideas.



Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-03 18:00:59)
Correspondence Poker

Live time is easier, a problem is that correspondence poker may be very long : ~6 moves by hand by player, let's say from 10 or 20 hands to 100 hands and more in one game, so many moves :/ .. but it may be possible to limit the number of hands and calculate ratings also by taking account of what is left after ie. 100 hands - which is quite few anyway.


Michael Sharland    (2008-06-04 00:42:53)
Worth a try

It might be fun to give it a try but I don't think that you would get too much separation in ELO between the top and bottom players. I think it will be hard for anyone to win more than 65% of the time unless the blinds aren't increased too fast. Slower blind increases will increase the length of the average game and allow for a little more skill but will make it harder to come up with workable time controls. Maybe a 10-20 minute control with little or no increment would work best.


Don Groves    (2008-06-04 06:13:07)
Poker

--- Jason Repa wrote: "There's a bit more to the game than just knowing when to bluff. Poker is all about exploiting mistakes and minimizing both the frequency and magnitude of the mistakes that you make. Mistakes can take various forms, ranging from tells, to lack of or too much aggression, to letting your emotions get the better of you, making mathematical errors, etc." -------- I should have said my statement was about those who know the mechanics of the game. Once someone can play technically correct poker, as you would find in any high-level game, then bluffing and money management become paramount.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-04 06:48:23)
Poker

"I should have said my statement was about those who know the mechanics of the game"

Actually, you've just confirmed that you don't know anything at all about the game of poker. As is the case for you with chess. And you obviously didn't understand the expression "-EV" , so I'll explain it to you. EV means expected value. It is the sum of the probability of each possible outcome of the event multiplied by the outcome value (or payoff). Thus, it represents the average amount one "expects" as the outcome of the random trial when identical odds are repeated many times. Obviously if this value is a negative number, money-management is completely meaningless as you will lose money in the long run. Money management is actually the easiest thing to figure out. It's a no-brainer for anyone who knows anything about money gaming. It has to do with ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to keep the risk of ruin down to a comfortable level, to account for standard deviation (bad luck). If you're a losing poker player, ie, one in which the net result of all your decisions results in a negative expected value, money management is clearly totally meaningless. This simple concept is quite obvious to most people. I've never before met an adult who required it to be explained to them like this.

People who's minds go beyond the superficial understand that there is much more to poker than working out the simple arithmetic of the game, such as how many outs for a flush/straight.... pot odds, implied pot odds, etc, which is probably what you mean by "knowing the mechanics of the game". Playing that kind of mindless, one-dimensional game might work OK at microlimits, but beyond that you'll need to learn that poker is much more of a game of psychology than it is a game of math. A mathematician by the name of Barry Greenstein, who incidentally has won more than $10,000,000 playing poker, once said that also. I've got a feeling he knows a bit more about the game than you do, lol.


Don Groves    (2008-06-04 07:18:03)
Poker

As usual, Mr. Repa, you eventually turn every disagreement into a personal attack. I'm surprised you didn't mention how much higher your chess rating is than mine. You prove my point about bluffing when you say that poker is more a psychological game than a mathematical one. That is one thing we can agree on. Yes, I'm quite sure Barry Greenstein knows a bit more about the game than I do, and I'm just as sure he knows at least that much more about it than you.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-04 09:11:18)
Poker

As usual, Groves, you're returning to your trolling ways once again. You're the one who started with the personal attack here, not me. I simply stated that that there is more to poker than mere bluffing and money management, as you contended. You seriously don't know anything at all about the game of poker. That's not an attack, that's a fact. I was studying the value of inflection points and stack to pot ratios when you were struggling to learn the difference between a straight and a flush.

Just as you're a 1600 chess player, so you're showing your mediocrity where poker is concerned by grossly oversimplifying what the game is about. Saying that poker is more a game of psychology than math is hardly saying that all there is to poker is bluffing, as you repeatedly and mindlessly keep stating. For starters, bluffing is just one tool in a strong poker player's toolbox, and it is both a psychological, as well as a scientific/mathematical tool at that. In no limit poker, for example, sometimes a player will spend hours trying to create a certain image just to set up one single play in order to win a large pot. There are all kinds of relevant intangibles that are so far beyond your comprehension it's not funny.

And I really couldn't care less what you agree or disagree with. I know what I'm talking about. You don't. I have a proven track record over the last two decades as a winning player. I'd be surprised if you're not in the hole overall. And FYI, everything I've said is consistent with what guys like Greenstein, Skansky, Harrington, etc have been saying for years.

Do yourself a favour, Groves.....go read a poker book and learn some basics. Then perhaps you'll be able to make a contribution to a discussion about poker.


Don Groves    (2008-06-04 09:34:33)
Poker

How do figure I started the personal attacks? My first two posts were about poker, I said nothing at all about you personally. You also pretend to know things about me that you never could know, given that we've never met, and never played a game of any sort against each other. You just like to blow your own horn at the expense of others, and never miss an opportunity to do so. That has been proven by your insults of myself and others in this forum even though no one here has ever insulted you, only disagreed with you. Possibly you consider disagreement to be an insult. If so, that says far more about you than anything I could add.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-04 10:02:42)
Poker

Groves, it's pretty sad if you aren't capable of understanding what you did. But in your case I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

And I don't need to meet you in person to know what you're all about. Your words speak volumes. And FYI chess ratings aren't obtained by flipping coins. You're a mere 1600 and change player. It's not the result of "bad luck".

You equate the stating of facts with "insulting". The problem is when I'm dealing with a very modest individual like you, every objective fact I state is interpreted as an insult.

As I said, read a poker book, or get someone to read one to you so that you can learn the basics of the game. Perhaps then you'll understand that there is more to the game than simply managing your money and knowing when to bluff.


Don Groves    (2008-06-04 18:58:24)
Poker

Repa, there you go again, bringing my Chess rating into something it has nothing to do with. I haven't played Chess in over two years but you still keep bringing it up. You do that so often it could make others think you define yourself in terms of ratings. Look up "argumentum ad hominem." You're very good at it -- so good you should consider going into politics.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-04 19:21:48)
Poker

As was just explained to you, groves, you're not a 1600 chess player as the result of "bad luck". You have the rating you do for a reason. The fact that you're not intelligent enough to get your chess rating up to even a modest level does indeed relate to your inability to understand concepts in other areas. Go back to your original post and try to understand what this "discussion" is all about. It's about the fact that you can't comprehend my statement that poker is a game which involves more than just knowing when to bluff and managing your money. I even went so far as to try to explain the concept of EV to you as I wasn't confident you would figure out how to look that up on your own.

What's very telling here is that all of my posts contain discussion of poker whereas your just keep trying to be offensive and whining about how you feel "insulted" when I've done nothing but state objective facts about you. I suppose referring to you as a 1600 chess player is also an "insult" Your last two posts are completely devoid of any discussion of poker whatsoever.

I'd tell you to grow up, groves, but at your age I think it's a bit too late for you.


Don Groves    (2008-06-04 19:59:07)
Poker

Your definition of "objective facts" is a bit weak, Repa. You state that I'm not intelligent enough to get my Chess rating higher yet I just told you I don't play Chess anymore. Besides that, my meager rating was achieved without the use of computers. One of the reasons I switched to Go is because Go is not yet dominated by computer programs. Why don't you try Go yourself and see how high a rating you can achieve without the aid of a computer? Also, in my second post, I agreed with you there is more to poker than just bluffing, etc. I said my comments were meant for players who already had mastered the mechanics and mathematics of the game. Rather than acknowledging this, you commenced with an ad hominem attack so typical of you. I stand by my original statement that the stakes in poker must be high enough to make bluffing possible or the game becomes nothing but chance where the best hand wins every pot. The best psychological game of poker is five-card draw with pot-limit and table-stakes. Playing with cards dealt face-up as in stud or hold-em (which is a form of 7-card stud) is for those who can't handle the uncertainty of not knowing for sure when they have a lock or at least that the odds are heavily in their favor.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-04 20:22:20)
Poker

No, your ability to understand simple concepts is what is weak here groves. You keep whining that your paltry 1600 chess rating shouldn't matter because you haven't played chess in a couple of years, but what difference does that make? Are elo points easier to obtain now? And what about Go? You play that game regularly, yet you have a pathetic 1300 rating at that as well. You better open a window before you think up another lame excuse....I wouldn't want you to die from smoke inhalation.

I don't know how many times I need to keep repeating myself in order for the point to penetrate your skull, but your comment about "mastering the mechanics" of the game is pure nonsense. You speak as if the entirety of poker theory can be equated to memorizing basic strategy in blackjack. You seem to think the discussion of calculating EV is based purely on figuring out pot-odds and how that relates to the number of outs, etc, but if you had the incipience of a clue about the game you'd realize that there is much MORE involved than that. Poker is an information game and all the information you have at your disposal, such as the temperament and mood of your opponent(s), your perceived table image (or at least your interpretation of it), the history of the action that has occurred so far, the tells that you pick up and the false tells that you may be sending to your opponents, etc, goes into the calculation of the EV on any given play. The better a player is able to conduct these evaluations and convert them into value, at least intuitively....the better a poker player they are. Even online poker has some tell/false-tell action as the response time can be varied.

Re-read my previous post where I mentioned that mistakes can take various forms. I clearly state, and in simple terms such that even you should be able to grasp, that there is more to the game than straightforward arithmetic calculations.

And I realize that you don't work, but geez, can you not find something better to do with your time than try to provoke people on the internet? Why don't you use all that free time you have on your hands to learn how to play Chess or Go beyond the level of a rank beginner?


William Taylor    (2008-06-04 23:09:47)
Don't like the idea

My initial reaction is that I don't like the idea. Whilst I do enjoy playing poker, I think it would be out of place here. As others have pointed out, there's a lot of luck involved, and (so far anyway) this website is for skill-based abstract strategy games. I also think it would be unsuited to a correspondence time control. Shogi or xiang-qi on the other hand... I'm in favour of introducing them.


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-06-04 23:50:50)
Why so few top players in Wch 5 ?

In the present "active" players rating list there are 38 players with a 2300+ rating.

So far only three of them registered for the soon to begin 5th "world championship".

I just wonder why ...

Marc


Jason Repa    (2008-06-08 20:37:40)
Rapid chess entry rating

No, Lowrance, you're the one missing the point here. And you're using engine assistance as much as anyone here, so don't pretend like you're somehow at a disadvantage. I've played you, and you're 100% program. Perhaps that's the problem.

Thibault mentioned once that a weak player running Rybka can get to around 2100 or so. To get beyond that requires some chess knowledge. While he may not be precisely accurate about the number....perhaps it's 2200 instead......nonetheless, the point is accurate. Everyone who's above 2000 on this site is consulting chess engines, but in corr. chess simply running a program alone is not the strongest way to play. You make it sound as though Rybka plays the perfect chess game. If that were the case everyone on this site would be rated about the same. It should be quite obvious to you that to go from 2300 to 2400 is much more difficult than going from 2200-2300. As a higher rated player, you get less points for winning or drawing, and lose more when you lose. As for your chances against 2400 players being the same as against 2100 players, that's pure nonsense. You'd be lucky to get the occasional draw against a 2400 player, (one who's really earned their rating and not just started with an artificially high rating as is the case with more than a few on this site) whilst you will lost most of those games. A higher rated player is higher rated for a reason. They win more games.

The correct spelling of my name should also be obvious to you, as it's on the same page that you're entering text into.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-06-08 22:59:52)
Rapid chess entry rating

Sorry for mispelled name, not my intention. This my last post here with you, I do not wish to engage in insults. I have never claimed to not use a engine. of course I do. I do not know your rating, not bothering to look it up. I am so very busy with my tourny games I have no time for you. I will not forget your last post my friend. After I get a little free time from games I will challenge you to some match games. I doubt you will accept, but I will do it. So long my friend, good c hess, good luck with your problems Wayne p.s. do not bother with a follow. I thank you


Jason Repa    (2008-06-09 00:22:32)
Rapid chess entry rating

If you're not bright enough to figure out how to look up someone's rating, you better stick to "engine-assisted" chess. I'd probably beat you blindfolded in chess where you have to come up with the moves using your own mind. You're not even intelligent enough to figure out how to spell someone's name, when the spelling of it is right in front of you.

And for someone who doesn't want to engage in insults, you sure are doing a good job of insulting. Nice of you to "claim" I wouldn't accept your "challenge" of playing match games, before you even make the challenge. Obviously it's YOU who's backing down from match games with me, under the pretense of not having any time to play. What sheer nonsense. You seem to have a lot of free time on your hands....enough to blabber away with numerous forum posts where you whine about not being able to make it to 2300.

I'm challenging YOU to some human mind vs human mind chess on the playchess server right now. You can get a free trial account there (if you don't already have an account) in about 2 minutes. For a guy who's incessantly bickering about Rybka hurting your performance, you should love having the opportunity to prove to everyone reading this that you're not the spineless hypocrite coward I'm claiming you are and step up to the plate to play me some fast (so rybka or other engines cannot be consulted) online games.

Nice of you to tell us you have problems, but it was already obvious.


Don Groves    (2008-06-09 06:47:09)
Brackets - both Chess and Go

In response to Garvin Gray's first response in this thread: There is a way around the problem of being stuck at a certain rating because you never get to play against higher rated players (which is necessary to move up) -- allow the winner of a tournament to qualify for the next higher classification regardless of his/her rating. This is done on at least one site already (IECG, if I recall correctly). If the player in question does not improve his/her rating enough to stay at the higher level, he/she drops back into the lower classification. Thibault would have to agree to allow this of course. I think it's a good way to reward the winner of a tournament.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-09 08:12:28)
Brackets - both Chess and Go

" -- allow the winner of a tournament to qualify for the next higher classification regardless of his/her rating."

This idea seems interesting, on the surface, but on closer inspection it's not feasible. The FICGS tournament categories are dependent on certain rating averages that determine the level of points required in order to achieve norms for various FICGS titles, starting at class "M" and higher. Throwing in lower rated players would dilute the rating average of the entire tournament. It's also unfair to the rest of the players in that tournament who are legitimately qualified to be there. They are forced to play a lower rated opponent artificially and now THEY are at a big disadvantage in their attempt to gain the points required to get to the next level.

Additionally, I don't think groves thought about this long enough to realize that there is no guarantee that each "A" level tournament will end precisely as each "M" level tournament does. What if two "A" level events are completed in the time it takes for one "M" level event to finish, which isn't an unreasonable possibility as the "M" level players generally take the game more seriously and tend to use their time more? Should we then throw in TWO players into an "M" level event that don't deserve to be there? At any rate, it's a poor idea. If someone is winning tournaments, they're definitely gaining rating points and will qualify legitimately for the next rating level soon enough.


Don Groves    (2008-06-09 09:01:24)
Brackets - Chess and Go

Thanks for your reasoned response, Jason. I'll answer your points in order: (1) Having one lower rated player in a group of seven does not seem to me to be much of a dilution. Also, remember that this player is at or very near the top of the next lower rated group, and again, this doesn't seem like a large enough disparity to be of concern. (2) The other players in the group will have five other opponents rated within the group's normal limits and thus will have plenty of opportunity for their own advancement by winning a majority of those games. Remember also that Thibault instituted a rule that losing to a lower rated player only counts as a loss to someone a maximum of 150 ELO below. So, losing a game to this one player will not constitute a disaster to anyone's rating. (3) The new rule could easily specify that no more than one lower rated player may enter any given tournament. (4) Your point here is simply not true in general. In my own case, I'm the highest rated player in a current Go tournament. Even if I win every game, my rating will improve at most from 8 kyu to 7 kyu. The next cutoff point is 5 kyu and there's no way I can reach that level without playing against higher rated players.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-09 11:05:13)
Brackets - Chess and Go

"Thanks for your reasoned response"

Somehow I don't think you know the meaning of the word "reason", groves.

"(1) Having one lower rated player in a group of seven does not seem to me to be much of a dilution"

It is very much a dilution. As I just finished explaining to you, it will not only make it more difficult for the other players in the tournament who legitimately qualify to be there by rating, to acquire the rating points necessary to get to the next level, but it will lower the overall rating average and effect the awarding of norms.

"Also, remember that this player is at or very near the top of the next lower rated group"

Total rubbish. You just finished saying, in your previous post, that you propose to allow the winner of a tournament to qualify for the next higher classification REGARDLESS of his/her rating. There is no certainty that the winner of the tournament will be near the top of the next lower rated group. They could very well be at the bottom of the next lower rated group, as I often was, as were many others, when I won tournaments.

"and again, this doesn't seem like a large enough disparity to be of concern."

And AGAIN, As I just finished explaining to you, it will not only make it more difficult for the other players in the tournament who legitimately qualify to be there by rating, to acquire the rating points necessary to get to the next level, but it will lower the overall rating average and effect the awarding of norms.

"Thibault instituted a rule that losing to a lower rated player only counts as a loss to someone a maximum of 150 ELO below"

Where did you get the 150 ELO figure from? I was under the impression it was a 200 ELO ceiling. Not that this has any relevance in terms of supporting your position anyway.

"The new rule could easily specify that no more than one lower rated player may enter any given tournament."

I just finished explaining to you that there is no guarantee that the "M" class tournaments will end at the same time as the "A" class tournaments. Not only do "M" class players tend to take the game more seriously and move slower, but there are more "A" class players than "M" so it takes longer to fill an "M" class list, hence less "M" class tournaments are played. If you propose to have only one "A" class player sent to an "M" class tournament at a time, then you'll quickly accumulate a waiting list backlog of "A" class players waiting to be seeded into a tournament they don't legitimately qualify for, stretching for decades. The other reasons I mentioned are MORE than enough reason to ditch this suggestion. This is just gravy.

Additionally, and once again, as I just finished explaining to you, if someone is winning tournaments, they're gaining rating points and will soon be able to qualify for the new rating category through legitimate means. So there is no reason at all to provide such "handouts".

I hope I don't have to repeat myself a third time here. It seems quite silly that you don't yet understand the simple and logical truth of what has been explained to you.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-09 23:36:06)
Invitations

Ok, that's an interesting discussion, the idea is interesting and it has some advantages but in the other hand to limit the number of invited players from a lower rated tournament (like IECG) is a problem. My main argument remains the same : too many rules is not good.

A poll could be instructive anyway.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-09 23:37:39)
Alekhine's defence

Hello all,

The waiting list for the next chess thematic tournament is open : Alekhine's defence (1.e4 Nf6).

Feel free to make suggestions for the next thematic tournaments :)


Don Groves    (2008-06-10 02:09:17)
Brackets...

(1) "Somehow I don't think you know the meaning of the word 'reason', groves." Ah, here they come -- the insults so typical of you... (2) "Where did you get the 150 ELO figure from? I was under the impression it was a 200 ELO ceiling." I thought I remembered 150. If that's not correct you have my sincere apology... (3) "There is no certainty that the winner of the tournament will be near the top of the next lower rated group. They could very well be at the bottom of the next lower rated group, as I often was, as were many others, when I won tournaments." This is true and there is a simple fix -- add the condition that, in order to qualify for the exception, the player must be within 25 ELO of the next higher classification... (4) "I hope I don't have to repeat myself a third time here. It seems quite silly that you don't yet understand the simple and logical truth of what has been explained to you." Poor boy! I'm so sorry I made you repeat yourself. I get the feeling though you don't really mind as you seem to love the sound of your own voice so much. Thibault has decided this anyway and I abide by his decision. Your precious class M tournaments are safe from pollution by losers who are not yet up to your lofty standards. You can have the last word now -- you always do anyway.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-10 04:52:22)
Senility is a terrible thing

"Ah, here they come -- the insults so typical of you"

Sorry groves, but I was simply stating facts. It's difficult to find anything to say about you that you won't construe as an "insult". Everything that has spewed out of your keyboard thus far is evidence of your complete lack of reasoning ability, and very modest IQ.

"I thought I remembered 150. If that's not correct you have my sincere apology"

You "think" a lot of nonsense that isn't true, groves. This is nothing new.

"-- add the condition that, in order to qualify for the exception, the player must be within 25 ELO of the next higher classification"

I realize that with your condition you can scarcely recall your own words from moments ago, but it was YOUR idea that the player in question be seeded into the higher rating classification event REGARDLESS of their rating. So now the little light bulb went on in that melon head of yours and you now realize what I was telling you earlier....about there being no guarantee that the tournament winner is rated near the top of his classification? If you're going to change what you proposed earlier, and only allow players who are within 25 elo of the higher classification, what's the point of it? You might as well let him get the remaining 25 elo on his own and enter the higher classification event normally.

I'm so sorry I made you repeat yourself.

You're doing an awful lot of apologizing, groves. Your very existence seems to be one big apology. I'm sure quite a few people in your life have to repeat themselves, ad nauseum, for your benefit.

"You can have the last word now"

The last word should have been my previous post. As usual, you've contributed nothing of value here. Just more pathetic whining and blabbering, as per usual.


Don Groves    (2008-06-10 08:05:43)
Brackets

Sometimes truth hurts, repa, but your opinions most certainly are not truth. Your rants about me are simply the opinions of one person who seems to believe that belittling others makes himself seem more important by comparison. There's a word for someone who mistakes his own opinions for facts: delusional. From what I've seen of most of your posts on FICGS, it fits you perfectly. Ta ta.


Jason Repa    (2008-06-10 08:34:35)
Senility is a terrible thing

How long are you going to keep whining and crying here groves? If I had any doubt about the accuracy of my comments, it would certainly be removed after this emotional protest from you. You're extremely pathetic, even for the standards of a geriatric imbecile. First you say that you won't be posting in this thread anymore, then you prove to everyone reading this that you're a bold-faced liar, in addition to everything else that has been said about you. I proved how patently stupid you are, in point by point form. You don't even realize that you've contradicted yourself repeatedly. You can't even remember your own words.

Do yourself, your family, and society a favor little man, and see someone about euthanasia.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-06-10 08:45:20)
Thematics ...

It would be nice to have the Ponziani opening, I know, it is unsound, but it is a nice opening.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-10 15:19:31)
Rules : 11.1 Netiquette

Hello all, I would like to apologize to all members for reading such unacceptable posts in this forum. Rules are not so easy to apply in some cases, now I've taken measures.

Thanks for understanding.

11. General rules

11. 1. Netiquette

(...) It is possible to leave public comments for your games and to send private messages to other members. No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and may lead to get a limited access to the server during a few weeks, at the moderator's discretion. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.


Garvin Gray    (2008-06-10 19:11:59)
impressions.

One poster in particular always seems to be involved. Could just be an impression??


Pablo Schmid    (2008-06-10 21:33:16)
Always the same guy

It's always the same guy, I don't even want to write his name, he would be happy. In each topic where he speaks there is a new victim, he is sure to be the most intelligent and take everything personnally, and insult anybody who don't think like him. I don't know why Ilmars's comment have been deleted, I didn't read them but the King of insults seems to have impunity. If you put his name on google you will see how much trouble he makes everywhere. That behavior should really not be accepted here. I never saw a chess player so rude in my life.


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-06-11 23:54:23)
Strange rating ...

Having a look at the rating list I see that Ryszard Kasperek has a 2544 rating and the FICGS FEM title.

I just wonder how he got the FEM title as he did never play a single game on FICGS ?

He has been rated 14 times with the same original 2544 elo without a single game played here

Strange ...

IMHO people who register here with a high foreign rating and do not play a single game in more than one year should be banned.

I cannot even imagine how they could be granted a FICGS title

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-12 00:37:27)
Titles

Hi Marc,

The rules specify that a title obtained at IECG give the right to ask for the same title at FICGS (with F letter before, ie. FEM)

Ratings are no more established ones after (if I remember well) 2 years of inactivity. I think that old ratings should remain in a list anyway, that's a part of correspondence chess history :)

The active players list should be considered first, then you won't see these ratings anymore.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-06-12 15:12:47)
More thematics ...

Also the old indian defence or janowskey indian thematic tournament would be nice, Tal used the latter occasionally. They are solid, a bit passive. I played a few times the janowskey indian and I felt like I was playing a Philidor with steroids.


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-06-17 07:55:59)
Conditionals ?

I know that this has been discussed before...
But I still feel that possible use of conditional moves would be a nice improvement here.
Nothing mandatory : simply the possibility to tell your opponent : "If you play this move my answer is that one". I cannot see how it could hurt in any way but I feel that it may help soften (and fasten) the play in situations like forced suites, exchanges and so on.

Your opinion ?

Marc


Garvin Gray    (2008-06-17 08:25:59)
conditional thematic tournament

I agree with this Marc and would like to see it trialled in a non rated tournament just like the thematic tournaments. That being said, I have seen Thibault express some concerns regarding conditional move use.


Xavier Pichelin    (2008-06-20 18:00:51)
Why?= Pourquoi?

Bonjour,Marc, Je vous réponds en Français car je ne suis pas habile du tout pour écrire en anglais. . J'ai cru comprendre que vous vous posez la question pourquoi un joueur continue de jouer quand on lui annonce mat en 11 coups? . Bien parce que le joueur en question n'a pas de logiciels assez puissant pour voir qu'il est mat en 11 coups et que peut-être il ne le voie pas ce mat! . Donc si vous êtes sûr de votre mat peut-être juducieux de lui mettre en message la combinaison de joli mat et il abandonnera surement sans tarder?? . Mon opignion personnel c'est peut-être ne lui pas dévulger le mat car il peut être fustrer que vous lui annoncer un mat en n coups. . Maintenant si il le joueur prend le plaisr de durer cette partie en sachant que l'issue est fatale, si il reste beaucoup de temps de réfléxion en avertir le directeur du tournoi donc Thilbaut pour qu'il fasse adjuger ce résultat pour ne pas perdre du temps sur une éventuelle qualification au niveau supérieur! . Amicalement Xavier.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-06-20 20:45:46)
Why

Playing on in a completely lost position is to get to the next rating adjustment. Particularly when the loss would take them below a threshold - in this case 2300. Your opponent will probably resign on July 1st. Nice game by the way although I didnt like 6 ..Bxf3 (why give up the bishop?)I think 6..Bh5 then e6-d5 and black is fine. 12 Rc1 was a great move! A few moves later and black is suddenly in big trouble


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-06-25 12:03:42)
Khaled

Bonjour Khaled, il est également possible (peut etre plus efficace) d'envoyer un message à quiconque par le formulaire situé en bas de la page "My messages".

Cordialement,
Thibault


Don Groves    (2008-06-29 04:38:39)
One from Dave Barry

"People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them." -- Dave Barry


Garvin Gray    (2008-07-02 13:36:39)
Closing of old topics


Making a recommendation: Can old topics please not be closed after 60 days?

On a couple of occasions now I have wanted to revive an old thread as it might be relevant now and I get the message that the thread is closed.

Two reasons for wanting to revive an old thread:

1) The past conversation is relevant to current matters and so having the old conversation would reduce people repeating themselves

2) Helps to reduce the number of threads talking about the same item(s).



Please change the current policy.



Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-04 22:50:54)
Closing of old topics

Hi Garvin,

Well, some problems may appear if topics can be reopened whenever.. Mainly, it helps to maintain a chronological order of threads (that will appear below the post preview). Posting links to old topics should be ok IMO, and it is not possible to totally avoid topic repetitions anyway. Maybe I can set the delay to 6 months though, what do you think ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-04 22:54:33)
norms in Class M

It all depends on the rating average.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-04 23:25:37)
you dont get thibault's point

thibault's point is that engines can't do this kind of pattern recognition. At least no one yet knows of a way to make them do it - i mean a way that *works* rather than giving spectacular results on 10% of the positions and spouting nonsense lines on the remaining. I will refrain from ranting about innate and Kant and Chomsky - speciaaly since i just did it last week on chess.com ;)


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-07-05 19:36:23)
Qualification information ?

Because i did not realise that I had qualified for two WCh tournaments I recently enrolled for a third one and had three tournaments beginning almost simultaneously in january, which proved to be too much for me.
And now the deadline for the next Wch (005)is approaching and it just seems that i will win WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M_01__000004.
So I am hesitating : when will Wch-004 next stage begin ?
I do not wish anymore to have more than one tournament starting almost at the same time.

More generally speaking, I wish I could get the following infos permanently updated on my "My messages" page :

* I enrolled for a tournament of type X on date Y. Presently there are already Z players enrolled for this tournament.
* I registered for championship X on date Y. this is supposed to start on date Z.
* In tournament Wch-X my present result ensures (or leaves the possibility open) that I will be qualified for next stage tournament that is supposed to begin on date Y.

Your opinion ?

Marc


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-05 20:08:47)
doing both would be an excellent idea

thibault extends closure time to 6 months. Posters would create a new heading saying re:<old topic> and start by giving link to old topic. That should be fine, I think. (in fact this was/is a problem with usenet [newsgroups] - so it is an old problem in a new place :) )


Khaled Toutaoui    (2008-07-05 20:25:53)
salut samy...

non malheureusement non...si tu as une autre solution je serai content que tu m'en fasse part mon frere...et part ailleurs un grand merci a thibaut pour tout ses efforts...a bientot...


Mark Hailes    (2008-07-09 18:25:19)
Derrida

Yes I see, but Derrida's sensitivity to the social dimension of the aesthetic form and his comprehensive hermeneutic method make it possible to raise the question of the dialectical meaning of the ambiguities in the subtext of the game and the moves themselves, perhaps, are not a centre but the meaning of the game.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-10 03:11:53)
3x3 chess

for those who don't know or don't have the link; 3x3 has been completely solved for some years now. [it cannot really be a game; there is no good starting position; but it can have good mate-in-n problems.]
Link:
http://kirr.homeunix.org/chess/3x3-chess/


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-11 01:00:36)
Thibault has a point

Like the mind-body problem; discussing the free will problem has the following problem: It is not possible to pose these problems accurately in language [Noam Chomsky said this somewhere]. I (normajean) believe these are mystical/artistic/poetic questions and the answers have to be mystical/artistic/poetic also.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-11 01:08:02)
response to TLP's last sentence is relev

Last proposition and last sentence Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus [english translation:] Whereof cannot speak; we must remain silent. Someone's response [mentioned in a book by Karl Popper - Popper didn't remember who gave this response] - But it only then that breaking the silence is most important!


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-07-12 06:00:43)
More deconstruction ..

Hi, complete out of context, but this link explains the difference between deconstruction and demolition:

http://www.ilsr.org/recycling/decon/deconfaq.html


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-12 22:45:22)
standard categories

Its a purely cosmetic change but perhaps it would be better to adjust the rating categories to: 2200-2400, 2000-2200 etc because thats what they effectively are. Nobody with a 2400+ rating wil join the current 2200-2600 category - they would join the list for 2400-2800. It seems pointless to have the overlap.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-12 22:52:44)
rating categories

Its a purely cosmetic change but perhaps it would be better to adjust the rating categories to: 2200-2400, 2000-2200 etc because thats what they effectively are. Nobody with a 2400+ rating wil join the current 2200-2600 category - they would join the list for 2400-2800. It seems pointless to have the overlap.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-13 04:52:23)
I MEANT DECONSTRUCTION

I *meant* deconstruction, NOT demolition, thank you!

oops, Rodolfo d Ettorre's post is maybe not aimed at me! But, today I celebrate paranoia day ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-13 16:39:58)
Replacement

Hi Andrew, a replacement has been done in this tournament.

Best wishes,
Thibault


Dirk Ghysens    (2008-07-13 18:29:25)
Disagree

There have been several 2200-2600 tournaments in which 2400+ players have started; in one of them even two 2500+ players participated. A well-known GM started in two such tournaments.
The 2400+ category tournaments fill up very slowly; it took about nine months for the last one to start.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-13 22:57:05)
ok

Good point Dirk I had not realised that about 2400+ tournaments nor Thibaults point about E F and G tournaments :) You may well be right Garvin - cant remember!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-14 02:15:03)
chat column

Hmm.. I have no explanation (yet)

Did anyone else encounter this problem ?


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-14 03:52:29)
meanwhile..

I will check whether my other computers have different settings for adblock plus etc. Or it is time to go to firefox 3!!

I have adblockplus with a filter-updater on this machine but not on others; but i don't think ABP is the problem.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-14 04:29:14)
thanks thibault, it was adblock problem

the adblock-filter-updater i was using was too strong :)

As a courtesy, as long as I am a free memner I have allowed all ads that appear that appear on this site :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-14 21:41:51)
hmmm

I remember you previously posted about this game having, after many hours, found a problem like win. It sesm that this was wrong! I guess that 89 ...Be7 followed by g5 holds the draw and white just got the order of moves mixed up and played g5 first. It happens.... On the other hand 25 ..Bd3 seems unecessarily risky while 25 ...Ra5 looks fine for black. Still you kept up the pressure and often you make your own luck :))


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-07-15 09:16:50)
Good idea!

We could use it, especially in Thematic Tournament!


Hannes Rada    (2008-07-15 19:07:00)
Learning effect ??

I suppose you are here to improve your chess ability. For this purpose a mirroring moves - strategy seems to be useless ....


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-17 04:40:24)
Quotes added from House M.D.

The quotes file grow :) .. a few nice ones from Gregory House (House M.D.), ie:

- You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.

- I take risks, sometimes patients die, but not taking risks causes more patients to die - so I guess my biggest problem is I've been cursed with the ability to do the math.

Applies also to chess & Go :)

BTW this TV series is an enormous - deserved - success in France (too).


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-07-17 04:57:26)
In example ....

... Both players of a match decide to play Sveshnikov with white and black, so it is normal that the first 8 moves are mirrored, may be that both players decide to play a special way in this opening with white and black, it can be that 20 moves are mirrored. Where is the problem? What can be wrong?


Jonathan Willis    (2008-07-17 17:52:00)
Ending a game of Go

Hi Unless I'm missing something I can't seem to see how to end a game of Go I'm in. We've both passed (several times now) I've calculated that I win by about 6.5 points but as far as the help section goes it just seems to say you reach an agreement??!!! How do you actually end a game? Thanks.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-17 23:48:15)
and this takes the cake!

rule 11.2 - last paragraph: <<The rules assume that FICGS referees have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding the solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FICGS appeals to all its members to accept this view.>>

You see,even if you find 'loopholes' in La Code Tibault, you come against the above! :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-18 00:41:49)
how did member's name change?

in the FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_B__000049 tourney, Paulo Cerini after resigning against me (he put a Q en prise - no credit to me), became Frank Gavin in all his games. [now there is no member called Paulo Cerini] How?

by rule 11.2 last paragraph? Kafka, Calvino, Bunuel, or 1984/testify[RATM] (who controls the present controls the past)? :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-18 04:55:03)
Mirror mirror on the wall

To put Thibaults explanation another way: the person doing the mirroring aleays plays his moves after the other other person. So after a while you can see who is the real player and who is the reflection. Thibault has a system of rules that are very open and liberal but there are limits. For example at FICGS it is allowed to discuss a game that is not yet finished!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-18 14:15:56)
how did member's name change?

According to the terms & conditions, the site can keep players informations and games, however if it's a "real" problem for a player who wants to close his account to have his name remaining on the site, an admin may change it (at his own discretion, the player can't register under his previous name though), but the games remain.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-18 14:24:09)
Chessbase Deep Rybka 3

Chessbase, who distributes the best chess engines (Fritz, Shredder, Junior, Hiarcs, Zappa...) now also distributes the little fish : Rybka 3 and Deep Rybka 3 are available.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4772

Rybka 3 (by Vasik Rajlich) is the reigning computer world champion and should be at least 80 points stronger than the previous version Rybka 2.3.2

Did anyone test it already ? What about the improvements (particularly Monte Carlo Analysis in endgames) ?

Rybka 3 book with 3,387,966 positions (260 MB) is also available.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-18 17:30:07)
Normajean

Norma is a popular girls name and is of latin origin (meaning norm or standard)has no connection with Norman.(north man) Jean is popular as a boys and girls name. (John , Joanna etc) Normajean as a single name is completely unknown and not just uncommon or rare. It is like someone deciding to write their name as Susanmary. On the other hand in some places its quite common (more often for females) to be called by their first 2 names: eg Sue Ellen, Mary Pat Mary Jo etc Of course in many jursidictions (UK for example) a person can opt to change their legal name to virtually anything they fancy Simonpeterandrew for example.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-07-20 02:38:48)
Rybka Opening Book

In fact I will share an opinion that I have become to trust. That is, even the best books offered have a very short life expectancy. Certainly less than six months with active chess players such that play on "play chess" and even here. Book lines soon become refuted by these centaurs and a new private book of theirs emerges. I will admit that such is the case with me here on Ficgs. I have/use recognized good books that are available, but have my own small book that I consult. Just an opinion and hope this shared info is taken in the helpful way I intended. So this would indicate that R3.ctg probobly is a great book, but against active centaurs will soon reduce its effectivity. Thanks Wayne


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-21 15:16:14)
why so few women on ficgs?

compare chess.com.

Simone de Beauvoir write in Le Deuxième Sexe, 1949 that women in l'Etats-Unis d'America are more advanced...

Still true? [with modification: women members of USA-based sites :)]


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-21 16:00:32)
cc sites

Sites like ICCF and IECG seem to be like FICGS - very few women members. Chess.com is not just an exclusive cc site and has a lot more varied chess content - not just cc. Perhaps thats part of the reason. However some sites like chessbase are cringeingly sexist - never missing an opportunity to show pics of the "pretty girls" together with 1950's style comments.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-21 19:15:38)
thibault you really need more women here

US sites like fics are so sexist [AND racist --- anti-Arab] that for 3 years i was ranting and raving there ...

So chess.com is an exception i think.

I would have liked the first exception to be NOT from the USa, but .. fait accompli it is ... And woman are vocal at chess.com - i've not been the target of any sexist remark [or seen any anti-arab or otherwise racist remark] there so far though i am perhaps the most vocal woman there .. And lots of women DO play corrspondence chess there ... 'lydiablonde' is both vocal and a strong, heavy player.
Anyony I am here for computer-assisted chess and there for the other sort ... [that site doesnt allow engines]


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-07-22 00:23:13)
Women

Also is a question of critical mass, non enough woman playing chess. In my chess club there were only two, and when they came many men stopped what they were doing just to talk with them, so their competition was more like the queen with more satellites around, so they would not play as much chess as men.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-23 17:01:48)
Michael Aigner i sometimes agree ..

Oh how i hate the human race
how i hate its ugly face
[there were four more lines ive forgotten - anyone remembers 'em? :)]


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-23 17:03:40)
quote was Gloria Steinem's iirc

"A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." - Gloria Steinem iirc


Philip Roe    (2008-07-23 20:42:20)
poems against humanity

Normajean,

I cant recall the ending either, but in a similar vein,

My fellow man I do not care for
I often ask me whats he there for
The only answer I can find
Is reproduction of his kind.


Mark Hailes    (2008-07-23 21:35:32)
poem for humanity

Is it all for reproduction? that's a very grim deduction. Perhaps it's more the joy we share before we make our final prayer.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-24 00:38:58)
Mark, where is your sensayuma?:)

Get a sense of divers humour, man!
Philip, :) [same thing, more seriously, but not only about humans - Dawkins's 'Selfish Genes' presentation of [neo-]Darwin?] Dawkins is, or rather used to be, interesting - but not half as funny as Philip's contribution is :D
PS: I am lesbian, so the likes of me would have mightily puzzled whoever wrote that poem :) :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-24 04:41:27)
on another note: absence of term for..

We [English] have a saying - "The French have a word for it"...
Now, I am lesbian in a partnership [call it 'common law/uncommon law marriage if you like :)] that is 24-year long now; but the sexual part of it is over for 8+ years now. I am asexual now. I know of a few similar gay-asexual males, including a close friend.
Also in a poll 1% of fellow britishers [or was it resrticted to englanders?] reported that they were asexual.

So, French wo/men; do you have a word for gay-asexual? [i prefer to use the term gay for both gay females and gay males. For one; not every inhabitant of Lesbos is or was 'lesbian' or for that matter female! :)]


Don Groves    (2008-07-25 04:55:58)
Yes...

... it was Gloria Steinem in the mid-1970s, at the height of the US feminist movement.
My spouse's favorite is "51% sweetheart; 49% bitch -- watch yourself!"


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-07-25 05:01:17)
quote was Gloria Steinem's iirc...

The opposite is also true:

A married woman looks like a fish riding a bicycle.


Garvin Gray    (2008-07-25 17:41:01)
wonders will never cease

and you guys wonder why there is a lack of females on this site :o :P


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-07-25 20:36:16)
But it seems, that ....

.... he has fogotten to announce his leave at FICGS!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-25 21:44:40)
Caire - Utesch

The only running games of François right now are the ones of your match, so I assume he left just before the start of the tournament... Not a real problem yet but definitely I'll have to add more informations in 'My messages' about the start of the next WCH stages.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-26 00:44:24)
Rodolfo which side are you on?

Both sides, it seems. Reminds me of Italo Calvino's short story - the name of the english translation was 'solidarity'. I forgot the name of the original italian.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-26 00:47:05)
on a different but related note:

Anyone remember the song :
C'era Un Ragazzo Che Come Ma Amava i Beatles e i Rolling Stones ...
? :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-26 00:49:32)
Don Groves ..

good quote! Also Steinem? Or your spouse;s original?


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-26 05:25:17)
:) needed:

urgently needed: widespead dissemination of copies of that poster!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-26 13:30:44)
Good quotes

"Leaving sex to the feminists is like letting your dog vacation at the taxidermist." "If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts." "There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper" - hmmm And finally a self evident truth: "Woman is the dominant sex. Men have to do all sorts of stuff to prove that they are worthy of woman's attention." Obviously all these quotes are from a woman :) How do you like them apples??


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-07-26 14:21:34)
Jill the Ripper

Many people, including the famous historian Johann Sebastian Mastropiero there was not Jack the Ripper, but a female assassin called Jill The Ripper.


Mark Hailes    (2008-07-26 18:52:52)
Descartes

@Rodolfo. Just to be pedantic - I'm pretty sure that the well known *fact* that Descartes invented the "Cartesian coordinate system" is actually a myth.

So, in Descartes day, the notation for 1.e4 might be something like this:

"The white king, for his first draught, commands his owne pawne, and places him into the fourth house before his owne place."



Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-26 21:42:52)
The lady rocks

Normajean the lady who said that is a feminist lesbian (not martha):) "By midlife and early old age, as the hormones of both genders change, women are in total, despotic control of their marriages." "women's goodwill is crucial for preserving the male ego, which requires, alas, daily maintenance" "It is woman's destiny to rule men. Not to insult them, demean them, or stereotype them as oppressors" "Women are in league with each other, a secret conspiracy of hearts and pheromones"


Mark Hailes    (2008-07-27 02:47:12)
NJ is wrong

This game:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=20553

Would seems to suggest the reverse of Normajean's hypothesis.


Philip Roe    (2008-07-27 03:39:07)
Notation

There is a history of chess notation at

http://www.excaliburelectronics.com/history0799.html
crediting algebraic notation to Philip Stamma in 1737 and stating that "by the 19th century Stamma's simple system had become the norm in some European countries".

So if Breyer did make the remark attributed to him it would probably have read something like "after Nf3..." bur with N replaced by the symbol for Knight in whatever language he was using.

Descartes of course, invented algebraic geometry, in which a straight line is represented by

ax+by=c

and so on.


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-27 16:17:50)
question to Andrew Stephenson

Andrew Stephenson you seem to know a lot about this person that you keep quoting. Perhaps you even happen to know said person's *name*, supposing said person has one? :D


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-27 19:03:50)
:)

Surely you can track down who said these quotes Normajean? I will give you a clue she is an american professor: "Today, the ideal male is the gay man,and the ideal female is the worker female, the woman who can work in a coal mine just like all the other men." Such is the brave new world of the politically correct!


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-27 20:28:23)
adding to Philip Roe 's post...

It is funny that high-school algebraic geometry is more often called analytic geometry; while in algebraic geometry, 'analytic geometry' is the branch that deals with power series in general rather than polynomials ... so what in analytic (power-series) geometry corresponds to Bezout's theorem? (I have no idea...)


Don Groves    (2008-07-27 23:06:58)
Logged off

I used to have this problem also -- but it seems to have stopped now...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-28 18:05:55)
Logged off

Is it the same problem when you log through the right form on the login page ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-07-29 04:22:11)
Rybka 3 "Human"

ChessBase just published a new article about new features in Rybka 3 that seems particularly dedicated to analysis with Rybka "Human". Among features : Shared analysis, Handicap book, Multiple variations, Monte Carlo Analysis and so on...

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4793


Now what can be reasonably expected in Rybka 4 ? :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-29 05:32:27)
why so few retrograde analysis fans here

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=problem_read&id=262
Nicola, Kieran, and me [ i hadn't discovered this site when the problem was posted]

This problem is not trivial, but definitely not difficult!


Normajean Yates    (2008-07-29 19:06:18)
ok...

Ok.. I was just curious :)

Well no one is preventing me from posting retro-problems in the 'problems' section - so it is perfectly fine!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-07-30 11:03:31)
Databases

Thibault I believe FICGS games do not get into any of the databases (mega corr etc) Is there any way to get these games in? I have seen some tremendous novelties in FICGS that I have not found anywhere else. It seems this knowledge is hidden ....


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-01 04:19:01)
Rybka 3 encrypted

It seems that Rybka 3 would be actually even stronger that the commercial version of Rybka 3, Rybka team (V. Rajlich, L. Kaufman) explains that the compiled code was encrypted, as a consequence the engine would lose about 60 ELO points in that process.

A smart move by Vasik Rajlich to prevent his engine to be cracked by using simple decompiling tools. (ICE may help the most motivated though)

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=5184


Don Groves    (2008-08-02 23:45:46)
The future of chess...

Claude Shannon, who died in 2001, is known as the father of information theory and also wrote the first paper on computer chess in 1950. If anyone was qualified to make such a statement, it was him.


Don Groves    (2008-08-03 07:17:01)
But that is obvious...

I don't know if Shannon ever tried to write a proof of his statement.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-03 12:46:18)
Round Robin qualification

Thibault looking at the WCC rules for Round Robin tournaments. It says: "If necessary, a player could be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player." This must be how Marc Lacrosse came to be in the Round Robin final for 02 as he was not in any stage 1 or stage 2 tournaments for 02. With 5 qualifiers from stage 2 and a stage 1 M winner a 7th player was needed. How did you decide which player to leave out of stage 1 M 02 and put directly in the RR final? Presumably not TER as both Brunsteins and Marius had higher TER's. This is not a problem for 03 as there will be 4 stage 2 qualifiers and 1 stage 1 M winner. Just curious:)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-03 18:56:16)
Round Robin qualification

Hi Andrew, that's right : Marc did not play round 1 & 2 in the WCH 02. As far as I can remember, Marc couldn't play round 2 in WCH 1 (he won Group 20) and due to his rating at this time - I don't remember if he entered a waiting list for replacements - I've included him in this tournament. Such a case will probably happen again if necessary.


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-08-03 20:34:52)
No extra qualification required!

Hi all

To Andrew : I really did not ask for this invitation: i am already unable to face all tournaments for which I qualified.

- I just won WCH-04-group M01
- At the same time I just began to play my quarter-final match in Wch-05
- and if I am not wrong I am not far from winning WCH-03-stage2-group02 (possibly ex aequo with you)...

... so really I do not need to get extra qualifying opportunities !

Marc

PS If I remember correctly you had some critical comments on my recent opening choices. It seems that they did not work too miserably so far.


Don Groves    (2008-08-05 05:27:47)
Another one by Gloria Steinem

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-05 09:14:08)
Not Gloria

Yur quote about if men could get pregnant is Florynce R Kennedy - not Gloria Steinem. Steinem was quoting Kennedy


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-10 07:45:29)
Mogo

So mogo gets to put down 9 stones to start with but I dont know whether he moved first or second - it sounds like he moved first and there was no Komi. Anyway its a big handicap but the breakthrough appears to be that the win was achieved on a 19x19 board in a "long" game (1 hour) Kim didnt use so much of his time but said more time spent would not have made any difference prononcing Mogo invincible at 9 stones and very difficult with 8 stones. The programmers were excited because they said 1 year ago they needed 18 stones now 9 and maybe a year to lose the other 9! If they can maintain this rate of improvement then they are suggesting that in a few years mogo could be the strongest go player in the world. Interestingly there is a reversal here with chess: programs being stronger against humans the shorter the game (ie blitz) but Mogo did better with more time! I guess this is about the time Mogo needs to assess the long term consequences of each move.


Philip Roe    (2008-08-11 16:25:09)
Pie in the Sky

Getting free annotations from a strong player seems a bit much to expect.

If you belong to the Internet Chess Club, and type help Services, you get a list of people willing to teach lessons or annotate games. They all charge by the hour, depending on their strength and economic situation. An IM from a third world country charges about $20 per hour. I doubt that you can do better.


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-12 02:10:55)
Okay, requestiong annnotation!

Consider this latvian fraser 'book' line:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Nc6 4. Qh5+ g6 5. Nxg6 Nf6 6. Qh3 hxg6 7. Qxh8 Qe7. [yes I know it is in crisis :)]
well, opp played 8. Nc3 [which i couldnt find in any database] and I was already in serious trouble after:

8...fxe4 9. Be2 Nd4 10. O-O.

Cant see any counterplay by black.

[not on this site; and the game is in progress but has moved on a few moves beyond this point - so I am not cheating!]

Anyone care to comment on - ahem, annotate - my [black's] 8th and 9th move?


Phil Cook    (2008-08-12 07:34:16)
Morales Vs Cook

[Event "Single game, E4EC"] [Site "http://gameknot.com/"] [Date "2008.04.22"] [Round "-"] [White "Morales, Rafael (rafafallo)"] [Black "Cook, Phil (Kiwi)"] [Result "0-1"] [WhiteElo "1078"] [BlackElo "1170"] [TimeControl "10/30"] 1. d4 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 } d5 2. Nc3 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played } e6 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played} 3. a3 {3.blocking ..Bb4} h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 {3. ....... h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 attemps white into another exchange} 7. Bg2 {7.Bg2 defends } Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 {7. Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 (white here,trying to open the middle up) so black attacks} cxd5 11. cxd5 O-O 12. dxe6 {12.dxe6,,(black gives up a pawn or does he)} Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6 {12. dxe6 Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6(wins the pawn back,has white in disarray here)} 15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 {15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 (note whites black bishop)} Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ {19. Bxf3 Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3(white lost contol and game from here,yet plods on)} 23. Kxf3 Rxd2 {22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ 23. Kxf3 Rxd(loss of bishop)} 24. Rc6 Rd3+ 25. Ke4 Rbd8 26. Rxe6 Rd3d6 27. Rxd6 Rxd6 28. Rc1 Rd4+ 29. Kf5 Rxb4 30. Kg6 Rg4+ 31. Kf5 Rc4 32. Rd1 Rc5+ 33. Ke4 b4 34. Rb1 Rb5 35. Rb3 Bc3 36. f4 Rxa5 37. f5 Ra3 0-1


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-12 08:54:10)
Latvian

I dont think black has anything better than 8...fxe maybe 9...d5 is better. But Whites 8 Nc3 seems a very good strong simple move. Its strange that it has not been analysed because the position has been looked at by Nunn and Watson - but that was in the pre Rybka era. Now 3...Nc6 looks too risky at cc. So 3 Nxe5 Qf6 is the best chance. Game 18479 (ongoing) is perhaps the most that black can hope for - for some people not much fun but for latvian fans survival is a triumph!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-12 21:32:49)
No novelty

F Perez-Cruz v F Acosta 1994 correspondence Massow Memorial (1-0 32) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 f5 3 Nxe5 Nc6 4 Qh5+ g6 5 Nxg6 Nf6 6 Qh3 hxg6 7 Qxh8 Qe7 8 Nc3! The game continued with Nb4 9 d4?! (9 d3 looks like an easy win) Nxe4 10 Nxe4 Qxe4+ 11 Be3 Kf7?! (had to play 11..f4 12 Bd3 Nxd3 [12 ..Qxg2 13 Qe5+ Be7 13 Be4] 13 cxd3 Qxg2 14 Rf1 d6 when he can fight on) 12 Bd3 Nxd3 13 cxd3 with a won position. If I faced this Nc6 line I would play after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 f5 3 Nxe5 Nc6 4 d4! (John Nunn's refutation) this squelches all blacks hopes for play. What now for black? 4..Nf6 5 Nxc6 dxc6 6 e5 which looks like a pawn odds game. I dont know.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-08-14 14:11:36)
FICGS, acronym for.

Feminist Inter Continental Gastro Sympathetic


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-14 20:31:38)
FICGS

The best is a) as it describes the games played on the server. Bigchess can be seen as a chess variant and if "games" is supposed to cover just this and go it seems an exaggeration. However if Poker is to be included then b) would win my vote.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-15 05:01:18)
Registered

This is registered not active members?


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-15 18:32:37)
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

so it seems! in the 1920s or so in MCO-4 Reuben Fine dismissed the greco countergambit in 4 lines as a blunder! (this was AFTER the latvian work due to which it became later known as the latvian gambit)! So the battle rages on, even with fraser? But it does seem that the fraser exchange-sac line is dead - leaving the R-sac line.


Phil Cook    (2008-08-16 10:54:51)
(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation)

Morales Vs Cook [Event "Single game, E4EC"] [Date "2008.04.22"] [Round "-"] [White "Morales, Rafael (rafafallo)"] [Black "Cook, Phil (Kiwi)"] [Result "0-1"] [WhiteElo "1078"] [BlackElo "1170"] [TimeControl "10/30"] 1. d4 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 } d5 2. Nc3 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played } e6 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played} 3. a3 {3.blocking ..Bb4} h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 {3. ....... h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 attemps white into another exchange} 7. Bg2 {7.Bg2 defends } Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 {7. Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 (white here,trying to open the middle up) so black attacks} cxd5 11. cxd5 O-O 12. dxe6 {12.dxe6,,(black gives up a pawn or does he)} Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6 {12. dxe6 Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6(wins the pawn back,has white in disarray here)} 15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 {15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 (note whites black bishop)} Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ {19. Bxf3 Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3(white lost contol and game from here,yet plods on)} 23. Kxf3 Rxd2 {22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ 23. Kxf3 Rxd(loss of bishop)} 24. Rc6 Rd3+ 25. Ke4 Rbd8 26. Rxe6 Rd3d6 27. Rxd6 Rxd6 28. Rc1 Rd4+ 29. Kf5 Rxb4 30. Kg6 Rg4+ 31. Kf5 Rc4 32. Rd1 Rc5+ 33. Ke4 b4 34. Rb1 Rb5 35. Rb3 Bc3 36. f4 Rxa5 37. f5 Ra3 0-1


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-16 12:29:32)
Questions to Xavier Pichelin

Xavier Pichelin is 1st FICGS chess champion after beating IM Gino Figlio in the first candidates final, he accepted to talk about his match, the tournament, his views around correspondence chess, chess engines and so on... The most important part may be he'll defend his title against the winner of the 2nd candidates final :)

Unfortunately, the complete interview is in french only as he doesn't speak english, but if someone finds a good translator (if possible better than Babelfish), he may post it in this thread. Thanks !


- Bonjour Xavier et tout d'abord félicitations pour ta victoire dans le match qui t'opposait au MI (ICCF) Gino Figlio [Pérou] dans la finale des candidats. Tu devais éviter à tout prix la nulle dans toutes les parties, finalement les noirs t'ont porté chance, comment expliques-tu ce résultat ?

Xavier : Bonjour, merci pour les félicitations. C'est vrai qu'en cas de nulles pour toutes les parties, le règlement indique Figlio Vainqueur en cas d'égalité avec victoire(s) et défaite(s) je remporte le match. Donc il fallait que je prenne des risques en attaquant et c'est avec les noirs que je l'ai fait car je pensais que Gino, dans ces parties, attendrait sans prendre de risques pour assurer les nulles.

- Peux-tu nous décrire la manière dont tu as abordé ce match contre Gino et son déroulement au fur et à mesure des différentes phases du jeu ?

X : C'est assez simple, dans ce match je n'étais pas du tout favori car avec plus de 200 points ELO FICGS en ma défaveur, et Gino titré Maître International avec plus de 2480 point ELO ICCF, je pensais que je n'allais pas résister sur 8 parties simultanées car sur une partie tout est possible mais sur 8 parties... c'était pour moi un grand défi ! Pour le déroulement du jeu j'ai joué la diversité sur mes débuts avec les blancs 4 parties 4 coups différents : 1.e4 1.d4 1.c4 1.Cf3. Gino a fait de même : 1.e4 1.d4 1.Cf3 1.Cc3. Ce qui m'a fait douter aussi car 1.Cc3 m'a surpris, je pensais qu'il avait prévu un début tonitruand et c'est là que je me suis dit qu'il fallait que je prenne des risques avec les noirs. Au fur et à mesure des différentes phases du jeu j'ai assuré les nulles des positions équilibrées pour me concacrer a deux parties avantageuses dont une avec les blancs et une avec les noirs pour au moins faire la différence dans une partie pour assurer la victoire. Et en fin de compte c'est 3 victoires qui me reviennent, ce qui me paraissait impossible étant donnée la qualité du jeu de Gino joué sur ce site pour arriver à la finale des candidats du championnat.

- Tu as réalisé pendant le championnat un parcours sans faute, aucune défaite à signaler, tu affiches également des statistiques stratosphériques à 78% contre une moyenne elo à près de 2200, quel est ton secret ?

X : Mon secret? Je n'ai pas de secret. Si j'avais un secret je ne le dévoilerais pas sinon je ne gagnerais plus ! Je pense que j'ai eu un petit peu de chance car il s'en est fallu de peu que je ne sois pas qualifié au stage 3 (robin-round final) car il y avait 3 joueurs à égalité et j'ai eu l'avantage du classement du départ de ce tournoi comme l'indique le règlement. Quant à mes statistiques, c'est aussi grâce aux erreurs de mes adversaires qui m'ont permis de gagner des parties équilibrées.

- Que penses-tu du système mi-ko, mi-toutes-rondes du championnat FICGS et de ses départages inédits lors des matchs en 8 parties ? Quelles modifications y apporterais-tu ?

X : Très bonne question ! Le système mi-ko pour moi est un peu trop rapide car un coup par jour c'est des heures d'analyses pour exploiter une position compliquée, ce qui est difficile quand on à plusieurs parties en cours. Surtout quand on travaille. C'est peut-être aussi grâce à cette cadence que mes adversaires, faute de temps, ont fait des imprécisions sur certaines postions ou exploité mes erreurs. Mais cette cadence a un avantage par rapport aux cadences ICCF qui est de 5 jours par coup, c'est que les parties durent 5 fois moins longtemps ! Le départage inédit des matchs en 8 parties est excellent, obliger le favori à assurer tous les matchs nulles pour gagner ce duel et sinon d'obtenir une victoire supplémentaire contre le challenger est un mode très bien pensé. La modification que je pourrais y apporter est peut-être la gestion du temps qui est rapide pour un système de jeu par serveur. Peut-être augmenter l'horloge de départ de 15 jours, soit de commencer avec 45 jours contre 30 en ce moment. Et aussi la possibilité des prendre des vacances uniquement sur le tournoi en cours afin de gérer les autres parties du site. Par exemple prendre 7 jours de vacances sur un tournoi d'échecs du championnat et pouvoir jouer un tournoi de Big Chess, de Go ou un autre tournoi d'échecs pendant ces vacances. Pouvoir choisir une date de début de vacances à l'avance serait également appréciable.

- Pourquoi t'être investi dans les échecs par correspondance ? T'apportent-ils d'autres satisfactions par rapport aux échecs classiques et au blitz ?

X : Je préfère les échecs par correspondance par rapport au temps. Car les échecs classiques se jouent souvent le week-end, à une heure précise et souvent en déplacement pour effectuer un tournoi. L'avantage, pour moi, des échecs par correspondance est que je puisse me connecter à n'importe quelle heure pour jouer mes coups, ce qui me permet, par exemple, de faire des repas de famille le week-end et le soir tard de jouer un coup, ce qui n'est pas possible aux échecs classiques.

- Tu as su ne pas céder à la tentation et te limiter à jouer un nombre très raisonnable de parties sur le site tout le long du championnat, penses-tu néanmoins que les échecs par correspondance soient addictifs et à quel point ? Ont-ils des répercussions sur ta vie de tous les jours ?

X : Oui ! Limiter mon nombre de parties en cours est pour moi essentiel pour essayer d'avoir des parties de qualité plutôt que de quantité. Avoir beaucoup de parties en simultanée est quand même une chose très difficile à gérer ! C'est peut-être la clé de ma victoire contre Figlio, j'ai regardé ses parties en cours, il en avait pas loin de 90 sur le site de l'ICCF, cela a pu se ressentir sur son temps d'analyse consacré à nos 8 parties sur FICGS. Sur la vie de tous les jours les répercussions sont familiales car il est vrai que je passe plus de temps à analyser les parties et moins temps avec ma famille, ce qui est assez difficile pour moi. Mais quand les résultats sont là je ne regrette pas !

- Que penses-tu de la place actuelle des moteurs d'analyse (Rybka, Shredder, Fritz et autres) dans les échecs par correspondance ? Quelles sont pour toi les qualités complémentaires essentielles du joueur par correspondance, devenu centaure avec la machine pour jambes ?

X : Les moteurs d'analyses dans les échecs par correspondances sont utilisés par 95% des joueurs... Maintenant il faut s'adapter et savoir utiliser ces machines à calculer. Car jouer simplement le meilleur coup de Rybka 3, de Fritz 12 ou Hiarcs 12 sans réfléchir mentalement mène à la nulle si l'adversaire fait de même ou possiblement à perdre si l'adversaire se donne la peine de réfléchir en les utilisant également. En sachant que lorsqu'on est dans le milieu de partie ces logiciels vous donnent souvent 4 à 5 coups evalués de manière semblable, et c'est là qu'il faut choisir le bon coup alors que celui-ci n'est même pas forcément cité par le moteur d'analyse...

- Tu joues désormais au Big Chess sur le site, curiosité ou intérêt ? Que penses-tu de cette version étrange des échecs ?

X : Par curiosité et par amusement et je pense que Rybka 3 ne joue pas encore au Big Chess ! Cette version est quasiment inédite je ne connaissais pas cette forme de jeu d'échecs auparavant donc celui qui a inventé ce jeu a très bien fait ! A propos c'est moi qui vous pose une question sur le Big chess... Y a t-il possiblité de roquer avec ce jeu si oui comment? (NDLR : Non, il est impossible de roquer au Big Chess)

- Et enfin la question que tout le monde se pose, particulièrement François et Wolfgang qui disputent la deuxième finale des candidats, penses-tu pouvoir défendre ton titre l'an prochain ? :)

X : Bien sûr ! Je défendrai le titre ! J'aimerais si possible savoir la date et la cadence du match. Et je souhaite à François et Wolfgang une belle finale ! Je dois faire honneur à cette compétition qui est bien organisée !

- Le match devrait pouvoir débuter durant la première semaine de janvier 2009, la cadence sera à nouveau de 30 jours et 1 jour supplémentaire par coup. Merci pour tes réponses, et encore bravo pour cette belle performance !

X : Merci ! Et à bientôt ! Bonne continuation à tous et bonnes parties !


Benjamin Block    (2008-08-18 08:52:18)
Try to translate!

I think it is something like that?
Hello Xavier and first congratulations on your victory in the match which t'opposait the MI (ICCF) Gino Figlio [Peru] in the final candidates. You should avoid at all costs void in all parties, finally brought blacks t'ont chance, how do you explain this result? X
avier: Hello, thank you for the congratulations. It is true that in case of zero for all parties, the regulation states Figlio winner in the event of a tie with victory (s) and defeat (s) I won the match. So I had to take risks in attacking and it is with blacks that I did it because I thought Gino, in these parts, expected without taking risks to ensure the void.
-- Can you tell us about how you approached this match against Gino and his conduct as different phases of the game?
X: It's pretty simple, in this match I was not at all favorite because with more than 200 ELO points FICGS to my disadvantage, and Gino titled Master International, with more than 2480 ELO ICCF point, I thought I n ' not resist going on 8 simultaneous games as a part everything is possible but on 8 parts ... it was for me a great challenge! In the course of the game I played diversity in my beginnings with white 4 parts 4 different strokes: 1.e4 1.d4 1.c4 1.Cf3. Gino did the same: 1.e4 1.d4 1.Cf3 1.Cc3. What made me doubt also because 1.Cc3 surprised me, I thought he had planned an early tonitruand and this is where I said that I should take risks with blacks. As the different phases of the game I assured the zero positions balanced for me concacrer deal has two parts, one with blanks and one with the black for at least make a difference in part to ensure victory. And ultimately it 3 victories me back, which seemed impossible given the quality of the game Gino played on this site to reach the final of the championship candidates.
-- You have made during a championship course without fault, no losses to report, you also posters statistics stratospheric to 78% against an average elo to about 2200, what's your secret?
X: My secret? I have no secret. If I had a secret I do not dévoilerais if I do win more! I think I got a little lucky because he is required by little I am not qualified to stage 3 (round-robin final) because there were 3 players equally and I had l 'advantage classifying the departure of this tournament as indicated by the regulation. As for my statistics, it is also thanks to the errors of my opponents who allowed me to win parts in balance.
-- What do you think the system mid-ko, semi-all-round championship FICGS and its new départages in matches in 8 parties? What changes would it be?
X: Very good question! The system mid-ko for me is a little too fast since a coup by day is overtime analyses to operate a complicated position, which is difficult when several parties in progress. Especially when you work. It is perhaps also through this pace that my opponents lack of time, made some uncertainty regarding postions or exploited my mistakes. But the pace has an advantage over the cadences ICCF which is 5 days a coup is that the parties had to 5 times less time! The départage new games to 8 parts is excellent, forcing the favorite to ensure all matches to nil win this duel and otherwise obtain an additional victory against the challenger is a very well thought out. The amendment that I could make is perhaps time management which is fast for a game system per server. Perhaps increase the clock starting 15 days, starting with 45 against 30 days at this time. And also the possibility of taking a vacation only on the tournament underway to manage other parts of the site. For example, take 7 days vacation on a chess tournament championship and be able to play a tournament Big Chess, Go or another chess tournament during the holidays. Being able to choose a start date of holidays in advance would also be appreciated.
-- Why t'être invested in correspondence chess? T'apportent there are other rewards compared to traditional chess and blitz?
X: I prefer chess match over time. For the classical chess is often play the weekend at a specific time and often on the move to make a tournament. The advantage for me, correspondence chess is that I can connect at any time to play my shots, which allows me, for example, making family meals on weekends and late at night to play a coup, which is not possible chess classics.
-- You knew not to succumb to the temptation and you only play a very reasonable number of parties on the site throughout the championship, do you think nevertheless that the correspondence chess are addictive and at what point? Did they affect your everyday life?
X: Yes! Limiting my number of games in progress is essential for me to try to have parts of quality rather than quantity. Have a lot of parts simultaneously is still something very difficult to manage! This is perhaps the key to my victory against Figlio, I watched its games in progress, it had nearly 90 on the site of the ICCF, it has been felt on his time devoted to analysis our parties on FICGS 8. On the everyday life impacts are family because it is true that I spend more time to analyze the parts and less time with my family, which is quite difficult for me. But when the results are there I do not regret!
-- What do you think about the current position of engines for analysis (Rybka, Shredder, Fritz and others) in correspondence chess? What are the qualities you complementary core player by correspondence, now centaur with the machine for legs?
X: The engines of analyses in chess matches are used by 95% of players ... Now we must adapt and learn to use these machines to calculate. Car simply play the best shot of Rybka 3, Fritz 12 or Hiarcs 12 mentally without thinking leads to zero if the opponent does the same or possibly lose if the opponent gives himself the trouble to consider using them as well. Knowing that when you're in the middle part of these programs give you often 4 to 5 strokes assessed similarly, and that is that we must choose the right time when it is not even necessarily cited by the analysis engine ...
-- You get the Big Chess now on the site, curiosity or interest? What do you think of this strange version of chess?
X: For curiosity and fun and I think Rybka 3 is not yet the Big Chess! This version is almost unprecedented I did not know this form of chess before therefore the one who invented this game was very well done! About I'm the one who asks you a question on the Big chess ... Is there possibility of castle with this game if so, how? (Editor's note: No, it is impossible to castle the Big Chess)
-- And finally the question that everyone arises, especially Francis and Wolfgang disputing that the second final candidates, think you can defend your title next year? :)
X: of course! I will defend the title! I would like if possible to know the timing and pace of the match. And I wish Francis and Wolfgang a beautiful final! I must honor in this competition which is well organized!
-- The match should be able to start during the first week of January 2009, the pace will again 30 days and 1 additional day by coup. Thank you for your answers, and even congratulations for this excellent performance!
X: Thank you! And see you! Bonne continuation to all and good parties!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-18 16:06:16)
translation

I will have a go off the top of my head at giving a sense of the interview in english (I dont know the phrase tonitruand but I am guessing it means dynamic!)?: Hi Xavier and first of all congratulations on your success in the candidates final match against IM (ICCF) Gino Figlio [Peru] You had to avoid drawing all the games and finally you succeded with the black pieces. How did that happen? Xavier: Hi thank you. Its true that if all the games had been drawn then under the rules Figlio would have won whereas if the match was drawn but with a win and loss I would win. Because of this I had to take risks and attack. It was with Black that I did this because I thought that Gino would play safely to be sure of a draw. - Tell us how you approched the match and how the different phases of the game went x: Its quite simple, I was not the favorite I have 200 ELO less on FICGS and Gino is an IM on ICCF with a 2480 rating. I did not think I could survive 8 games at once - in a single game anything is possible but 8 games .... it was a big challenge for me! In the openings I chose 4 different moves 1 e4 1 d4 1 c4 1 Nf3 Gino chose 1 e4 1 d4 1 c4 1 Nc3 I was surpised by 1 Nc3 because I was expecting dynamic openings and it was then that I decided I must take some risks with black. I kept most of the games balanced with a draw in hand and concentrated on 2 games 1 white and 1 black to get a result. In the end I got 3 wins which seemed an impossibility given the quality of the games Gino had played on this site to reach the final. - you have not lost any games in the championship and you have fantastic statistics 78% against an average elo of about 2200. What is your secret? x: My secret? I havent any secret and if I did I would not say because I would not win anymore! I think I have been a bit lucky because in the the Round Robin final there were 3 of us on the same score and I went through under the rules because of my rating. As for my statistics I was helped by mistakes by opponents who allowed me to win some drawn games. - What do you think of the system for the FICGS championship (round robin and knock out matches)and what changes would you make? x: Very good question. The matches are a bit too fast for me - 1 day per move when there are hours of analysis needed to exploit a complicated position its difficult when you have several games running Particularly if you are working. Perhaps that is why my opponents have made errors or failed to exploit my mistakes. But this time limit has an advantage over ICCF where it is 5 days per move the games here are 5 times quicker! Having 8 game matches is an excellent idea and obliging the favorite to draw all the games and the challenger to get a at least 1 victory is very well thought out. The change that I would suggest is to have 15 days extra starting time that is 45 days at the start instead of 30 and also the possibilty to take holidays for tournaments for example take 7 days for championship games and to be able to play big chess go or another chess tournament during the holiday. To be able to choose the start of a holiday in advance would also be good. - Why do you like cc and how does it compare to blitz and normal chess? x: I prefer cc because of the time factor. Classical chess is often played at the week end at a fixed time and you have to travel to the tournament. The advantage for me at cc is that I can connect at any time to play a move which allows me for example to have meals with the family at the weekend. Late night moves for example are not possible at classical chess. - You limited the number of your games on the site to a reasonable amount throughout the championship. Do you think nonetheless that cc is addictive? Does it affect your daily life? x: Yes! Limiting the number of my games is essential to try to have games of quality not quantity. Having a lot of games going at the same time is something very difficult to handle. It is perhaps the key to my victory against Figlio - I looked at his games - he had not less than 80 games going on at ICCF this must have affected the amount of time he could spend analysing his 8 games at FICGS. The effects on daily life are felt by the family because the reality is if I spend more time analysing the games I spend less time with the family. Thats difficult for me. But when the results come I dont regret it! - What do you think of the role of chess engines (Rybka Fritz etc)in cc. What are for you the important skills of a cc player - to supplement the machine? x: Chess engines are used in cc by 95% of players. You have to adapt yourself and know how to use the engines. To play just the best move of Rybka 3 Fritz 12 or Hiracs 12 without thinking leads to a draw if your opponent does the same or to a loss if your opponent is thinking. You have to choose bewteen 4 or 5 moves with a similer evaluation from the engine during a game and sometimes the best move is not among these. - You play Big chess. Interest or curiosity? What do you think of this strange version of chess? X : Curiosity and amusement and I think Rrybka 3 cannot yet play Big Chess! This version is new and I did not know it and the inventor has done a good job! By the way I would like to ask is it possible to castle at Big Chess? [No its not possible] - Finally the question that everyone is asking particularly Francois and Wolfgang who are contesting the 2nd candidates final. Do think you will be able to defend your title next year? :) x: Definitely I will defend the title I would like to know if possible the date and time limits for the match. I wish Francois and Wolfgang a great match! I would also like to express my appreciation for this tournament which has been well organised! - the match should start in the first week in January next year the time limit will be 30 days plus 1 day per move. Thank you for your answers and once again congratulations on a great performance. x: Thank you. Cheers. Best wishes to everyone and good games!


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-19 02:16:39)
Its a win !!!!

You must be joking!! Thibault its a definite win it will be over in a few moves!! If anyone thinks black can survive please suggest some moves. The key to the win is that the best black can do is reach the position in a) below with Bishop and 2 pawns v R and 1 pawn. White wins becuse his king has access to e4, the Bishop is restricted by his pawns on a7 and e5 and most importantly his passed a pawn is not advanced. It has been completely lost since move 63 ...Kxf4 Janos should have taken with the pawn 63..exf4 would have allowed him to reach a table base draw. On 66 Kd3 I had the win completely worked out and have been replying instantly since then. Adjudicating this is a draw is just plain wrong. Anyone who spends time on this position will see the win I have outlined and that there is no defence. The winning method is to force an exchange of rooks by Rc4-g4 with mating threats against the Black king - black cannot allow this and must play Rd4 allowing exchange of a pair rooks when the resulting R+P v B+P+P is won. Before playing Rc4 white checks with the other rook to cut off the f file. The only way to avoid the rook exchange is to allow the white King access to e4 - at the moment the black rook cuts off d3 and the bishop if it goes to b6 will cut off e3. If the king gets to e4 either the e5 pawn drops or the king gets to d5 and e6 either result is fatal Here are the main lines: a) 72..Bb6 73 Rg8+ Kf5 (73..Kh5 74 Rc1 Rd4 75 Rh1+ wins the rook) 74 Rf8+ Kg5 75 Rc4! Rd4 (see below a1 for 75..Bd4)76 Rxd4! exd4 77 Kd3 (This ending is completely won the white king penetrates through e4, the black bishop is useless - remove pawn at d4 and its a table base win) Here are the main lines 77... Bc5 78 Rc8 Bb6 79 Ke4 Kf6 80 f4 Kf7 81 f5 Kf6 82 Rc2 Kf7 83 Ke5 a5 84 Rc6 Bd8 85 Bc7+ Kxd4 Table base win Or 77 ...Kg6 78 Ke4 Kg7 79 Rc8 Kf6 80 f4 (if the pawn on d4 falls eg 80 ..Ba5 81 Kxd4 its a table base win) Ke7 81 f5 Kf6 82 Rc2 Ke7 (82 ..d3 83 Rc6+ Kg5 84 Rg6+ and Kxd3 = TB win) 83 Ke5 Kf7 84 Rb2 d3 85 f6 with a simple win a1)..75..Bd4 (instead of Rd4) 76 Kd3 Ba1+ 77 Ke4 Ra5 78 Rg8+ Kf6 79 Rc6+ Kf7 80 Rgc8 Ra4+ 81 Rc4 Rxc4+ (black cannot avoid exchanging) 82 Rxc4+ and this ending like the one above is completely won. eg 82... Ke6 (82...a5 83 Rc5 a4 84 Ra5 x a4 = TB win) 83 Rc6+ Kd7 84 Kd5 Bd4 85 Rh6 a5 (any Bishop moves loses a pawn = TB win) 86 Rh7+ Kd8 87 f4 x e5 = TB win b) If the Bishop does not go to b6 the white king gets via e3 to e4 and then penetrates through the white squares d5 and e6 and its over. Sample lines: b1) 72 ..Kf4/f5 73 Rf8+ Kg6 74 Ke3 Rd1 75 Ke4 Re1+ 76 Kd5 Be7 77 Re8 Bf6 78 Ke6 e4 79 Rc5+ and the bishop is lost b2) 72..Ba5 73 Ke3 Rb5 74 Rg8+ Kf5 75 Rf8+ Kg5 76 Ke4 Rb4+ 77 Kxe5 with a simple win b3)72 ..Rd7 73 Rxe5+ (take a pair of rooks off = TB win) Kf4 74 Rcc5 Rg7 75 Re4+ Kg3 76 Rc1 Bb6 77 Rh1 a5 78 Rhh4 - Reg4+ exchanges rooks = TB win


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-19 17:17:59)
Adjudications

Hi Benjamin I am not sure what you mean by help people without asking. The rules refer to adjudications as follows: "11. 5. Adjudications In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious." At the end of 11.5 is states: "There are no time limit for games else but the clocks, but it may be announced that certain multi-stages tournaments will have one. At the end of this time limit, a referee committee will adjudicate games." Obviously it was bit worrying without warning to have an announcement saying hey seems like a draw I am going to adjudicate. A draw would mean that I would not win the tournament - a win means I win the tournament so its an important game. But as I am certain the game is won and can demonstrate this I am not concerned - I have no idea what Janos thinks. I dont think this is the best way to handle this but this is where we are - I am just glad it happened after Janos played 63...Kxf4 which was the losing move. We are only about 12 moves away from 6 man table base wins in almost all cases. Please post any anlysis about the position you would like as Thibault has asked for comment


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-08-19 18:05:34)
It seems, ...

... Andrew is right!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-20 18:40:41)
PGN format

If I remember, PGN format allows zero-zero, O-O, o-o ... so


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-21 05:16:52)
O-O is output standard for pgn, but..

o-o is allowed as input. [again it depends on which version of the pgn standard we are talking about.] Also re Arena: it is just like: most C++ compilers for PCs do not implement the full C++ [or implement it wrong - Arena is a program; compilers are programs; programs have bugs aka features ;)] .


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-21 11:15:31)
that is quite convincing!

Marc Lacrosse - thanks for quoting that ... though a good algorithm shouldnt have trouble but with heavily nested variations, many of then terminating 0-1 .. it would complicate algorithms. Programmers' time is expensive ...

I am convinced now that allowing O-O and O-O-O is a good decision - then yacc and lex can do most of the parsing etc.

[btw it should be simple to write a program to convert simple algebaraic (by simple I mean nested variations are treated as comments and left untouched) to simple descriptive and vice versa, in the formal case without redundancy in descriptive output. [again lex-yacc (or whatever latest tools have superceded them) can do most of the work]. So it is surprising I couldn't find any such free open-source utility on the internet -- (and I am too lazy now to write simplest code any more - written more than enough for a lifetime ;) )


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-08-21 13:05:12)
sorry, Normajean...

I am in team "Dead LG, good LG". :D

I entered into that thematic only to found someone who will draw with black (in long time control).
For fun too, of course. :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-21 14:46:27)
Ilmars, you don't realise it but...

In marxian terms, *objectively* you are in the 'try to keep latvian alive' team, though 'subjectively' you think are in the opposite team :)

Because by participating in a latvian thematic, you are helping to try to keep it alive ;)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-08-21 15:12:17)
Re

In marsian terms, my goal is to get to final and win all white games. And probably get first place in LG thematic. :)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-08-21 17:43:41)
Latvian ...

I hope I am not asking too much, but can we have a Latvian gambit thematic tournament?

Since there are good players here, after such a tournament the theory about the Latvian gambit will have to be rewritten.


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-21 21:31:44)
Rodolfo I second that proposal!

I second Rodolfo's proposal of a latvian thematic here at ficgs.


Normajean Yates    (2008-08-21 21:57:07)
Latvian thematic: white must win.

I propose a latvian thematic where white must win (ie a draw will be counted as loss for white).


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-22 04:20:35)
Castling bug corrected

Hello again Marius.

The problem was not your last move, it should work fine now.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-22 14:43:52)
Latvian thematic

Ok, we'll have another Latvian thematic tournament soon ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-22 17:50:17)
Team challenge : Latvian gambit

Based upon an idea by Ilmars, let's try to create a special Latvian thematic tournament that could start at the beginning of september, consisting in two teams : Latvian gambit "defenders" and latvian gambit "refuters" (that will play either Black or White), this could be interesting to improve the theory in this opening.

Any player who wishes to play this tournament may post in this thread "I am in as White (or Black)" and I'll make pairings in a few days/weeks.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-05-29 21:41:37)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k

Looks like the tournament finished a few days ago... one recognize "Zor" as winner (again), but the crosstable shown seems to be a small part of it!?

http://infinitychess.com/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=322


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-08-22 18:59:56)
WikiChess

I'm tired. Imho I completed to input almost all my "theory" of Poisoned Pawn Variation.

Imho, after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.d4 Qxg2 6.Qh5+ g6 7.Bf7+ Kd8 8.Bxg6 Qxh1+ 9.Ke2 both black moves - 9.-- Qxc1 and 9.-- c6 are lost for black.

Corrections and improvements are welcomed! :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-22 23:19:03)
cant count

I realise there are 7 players in the round robin final ie 2 extra tied players. My point remains why 7 rather than 5? Why did I have to spend that time trying to beat Janos when I could go through on a tie?


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-08-23 09:10:08)
IGAME.RU...

Could it be that their server is temporarily down?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-08-23 11:43:19)
Rules change

All members are invited to comment on these points :

1) "Should all groups in WCH tournaments consist in 7 players at least, several players being invited if necessary at the tournament director's discretion" ? I'll change the rules this way if a majority agrees. In all cases the 3rd round-robin final must continue this way IMO but I may add a new rule :

2) "Referees are not error free and are not supposed to change the rules anytime they estimate it is a better choice, players accept the view that a tournament should be modified or any error corrected in all cases." (this is not irony, I'm not sure such a rule wouldn't bring some problems but we may try it if a majority agrees with that).


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-08-24 11:07:55)
IGAME.RU

If IGAME.RU has been killed maybe Thibault can consider a Memorial IGAME.RU tournament.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-08-24 11:52:22)
separate criticism from suggestion

Whatever decisions Thibault made are past and I never doubted his good intentions. However I made a suggestion for the future which is in itelf not a criticism but a response to his invitation to comment on his proposed rule ammendments. I suggested a system for adding to numbers based on the best losers (those tied for 1st place, those placed 2nd etc) and if necessary to rank the best losers by tournament entry rating so if there were 2 slots to be filled and 3 persons who tied for first place in the groups (ie they were 2nd in their group because of lower TER than the winner) the top 2 by TER would qualify. I would also like to suggest an Ajuducations process 1) having indicative finish dates in WCC 2)if the Tournament director feels a game needs to be adjuducated (ie finish date reached)requesting both players to submit their views with analysis 3)having an adjudication commitee who will agree on the result within a set time period. These are just thoughts for possible improvement perhaps they are unnecessary. Anyway they are not intended as criticism scathing or otherwise!


Don Groves    (2008-08-25 06:06:34)
Downloading pgn files

Salut, Thibault -- It seems now that we have to download each game of a tournament separately. It would be nice if we could download all six pgn files with a single command. What do you (and others) think? Or does this already exist and I am the only one in the dark.


Michael Aigner    (2008-08-25 13:06:30)
Where is the light?

It seems there are not many players out there who dare to play White against the Latvian gambit ;-)


Don Groves    (2008-09-03 01:29:42)
Here's one...

"The metric system did not catch on in the United States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet." -- Dave Barry


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-09 18:35:22)
Evans Gambit in Wikichess

I'll connect Wikichess to games played at FICGS soon.. so we'll have more informations due to thematic tourneys ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-09 19:40:44)
Multi-site tournament

Hi all,

A multi-site tournament is being to be organized with 4 chess websites (not using real names), each player from each team playing 1 game with Black "at home" and 1 game with White in his opponent's home with 1 opponent of each website (3 in total, hope I'm clear), so 6 games in total.

2 websites in the competition are :

http://www.echecsemail.com
http://www.echeconline.net


6 games (3 games here and 3 games played on 3 other websites) seem a lot though, what do you think ?


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-09-13 00:47:03)
Rybka 2300 @ FICGS

That is interesting Tribault. Do you mean the program running unassisted, no player help, Rybka choose own book moves ? If that is your basis then I say no Way Rybka on FICGS get this rating. There are very many sharp Centaurs playing here. With excellent tuned books. That is the main thing. CC games are won/lost on opening book. I am of the opinion that centaur + program is too strong for Program itself. Results on ICC have demonstrated that. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-15 20:54:47)
Wikichess : Update !

Now you can see strong improvements in Wikichess articles :

- Opening ECO code
- Name of the opening
- Moves played at FICGS
- Find games played at FICGS
- Statistics (White wins, Black wins, Draws)...

Thanks to report any bug.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-16 12:34:05)
bug

Hi Ilmars... Thanks, will be corrected in a few days :)

Other improvements to follow also.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-20 03:29:51)
MoGo - Rematch

According to the AGA E-Journal : "Myungwan Kim 8P will take on Mogo in a rematch set for this weekend's Cotsen Tournament in Los Angeles."

Good news :)


Don Groves    (2008-09-20 05:03:31)
MoGo

Hi, Andrew -- It would be an amazing feat if MoGo programmers could eliminate its nine-stone handicap in only one year of development. With each stone eliminated, the combinatorial aspects increase exponentially and the human advantage in pattern recognition and game understanding increases in proportion.

FYI - In a handicap game, the weaker player always goes first (ie., plays black). The handicap stones are placed on predetermined points and that constitutes black's first turn. White plays next and they alternate the remainder of the game. Komi still applies unless otherwise agreed.


William Taylor    (2008-09-22 18:33:42)
Big Chess ratings

Hmm. As you say, the game is quite different from ordinary chess, and as we can't use engines and very little research has been done into Big Chess we might all be 300 points or so weaker at it than at real chess. It might be quite nice to have the ratings over a similar range to ordinary chess ratings, but that doesn't really matter. Presumably once you have determined the provisional ratings you then use the same algorithm as you do for normal chess ratings? It's hard to suggest a format without an estimate of how many people would play, but we don't necessarily have to have an accurate and established Big Chess rating system to hold a championship.


William Taylor    (2008-09-22 18:36:07)
An idea

We could perhaps use the 'M' class tournament that has just started to decide the first Big Chess champion. Thereafter a challenger could be decided by a similar high-rated tournament, or else by an open tournament or series of tournaments if it's thought that the rating system isn't reliable enough.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-23 16:37:22)
Latvian gambit theory

It seems to me that the theory grew a lot these last months, one month it is dead, next month it is alive, how is it going ? Is Latvian gambit theorically dead today ?

Let's try to gather links to the best articles around it :)


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-27 01:54:32)
hmmm...

Iouri Basiliev "arteficially introduce" Russian in Crimea??? Alexis Bromo it is not a good place to discuss our internal problems here on international site.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-27 02:03:33)
Thanks!

Thibault thanks for the interesting info! :) as to other language site i actually ment that though introduction changes due to language selection other crucial messages remain English. Well, maybe that is even good - we all can communicate.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-09-27 06:10:36)
Languages .....

That reminds me something, years ago I had a friend who was studing Russian, and he tried to adapt the Cirillic alphabet to the Spanish language.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-09-27 06:13:29)
Politics ...

I think something universal about politicians, they do not mean what they say, or they do not say what they mean, so they only say what they advisers tells them to say, so, probably they do not know or are not responsible with what they say.


Normajean Yates    (2008-09-27 23:27:51)
how to see private message?

I sent a private test-message to myself. It got sent but I cannot see it. Even after logging out and logging in again.

Can someone help - what can be the problem? In preferences 'private messages' is on (i.e. there is a tick-mark in 'private messages' box in my preferences).

Please, some one send me a private message to test if I can recieve private messages. [maybe self-messages don't appear...] I am member number 3879.

Thank you in advance.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-09-27 23:52:30)
re

Look in your email!


Normajean Yates    (2008-09-28 00:11:31)
thanks!

as of now the message appears in one's email only. thanks for info! (to llmars and thibault)


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2008-09-28 16:45:05)
Big Chess Championship

To drive this theme I propose a champions-league-type tournament with a new round every 18 month. At the beginning the groups can be built according to our rating list.

Other ideas?

Best,
Heinz-Georg


Alexis Bromo    (2008-09-28 13:44:22)
Iouri

So am I. :) But there was not voting. And government didn't ask people. I want russian the regional language if it cannot be official. Many of my friends in eastern and southern regions have serious problems with communication.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-09-28 15:34:26)
Languages ...

This is very interesting, in the olimpic games in Barcelona, the King of Spain spoke a few sentences in Catalan, someone told me it was the first time in History that a King of Spain spoke publicly in Catalan, instead of Spanish, also in Italy, in Bolzano, the streets names are in both Italian and German and the region I think have the status on bilingual.

In my opinion a second language is always a wonderful thing, been able to speak another language always enriches a person.

There was a SF writer in one of his stories he said that langiage gave shape to thoughts, not the opposite, and in the novel 1984 of George Orwell there was the concept of eliminating dissident movements by creating a new language without words that could be used for thoughts against the government.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-28 17:30:23)
Iouri Basiliev

"I would accept any language by voting majority". For you to know that majority of people in Crimea are Russian speaking people. "It could be tatarian in Crimea in 10 years from now" It'l happen not until Turkish language became second official language in German. Again "I would accept any language by voting majority". Western "dermocrats" and their supporters here in Ukraine showed very clear that they "accept" only those views of "voting majority" that correspond to their own interests. and this is you and others like you to blame that word "democracy" (not so bad concept actually) turned into CURSE here in Ukraine and in Russia.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-28 17:38:13)
Alexis Bromo

"Many of my friends in eastern and southern regions have serious problems with communication." this IS what our western "friends" (like Iouri Basiliev) actually want to have in Ukraine.


Normajean Yates    (2008-09-28 19:36:29)
how to verify that draw offer was sent?

I offered draw in a chess game here. How do I verify that the draw offer was sent properly? [i.e. I that remembered to click the draw offer box; and that the click registered; etc.?]

It would be helpful if the game showed 'draw offer pending' or something like that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-28 21:51:45)
Big Chess Championship

18 months is so long :/ .. In my opinion, the scheme could be the same than the Go championship :

"FICGS world Go championship is a 2 stages tournament. First stage is a single round-robin tournament, involving the 9 highest rated players who entered the waiting list. The winner of this tournament is the challenger for FICGS world champion title. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage. If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account. If current world champion defends his title, he will play a 5 games match against his challenger."


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-09-28 23:00:55)
Democracy ...

Democracy is just an illusion, only simple minds believe in it. Market and power are the crude reality.


Don Groves    (2008-09-29 01:03:33)
Democracy

The biggest problem democracy has is its association with capitalism. Just as communism was given a bad name by the Soviet Union, democracy is being given a bad name by the US.

When Bush speaks of bringing "democracy" to Iraq, he is really referring to US-style capitalism, not democracy. Of democracy, Bush knows nothing.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-29 10:11:21)
Rodolfo d Ettorre

"Market and power are the crude reality." Yeah! You are right! here in Ukraine and in Russia we already know it! and we know the real price of "democratic" blah-blah-blah - and this IS what makes adepts of "democracy" (like Iouri Basiliev) nervous.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-29 10:25:46)
By the way...

I wrote "deRmocrtats" with intent! From foreigners it's just a mispelling - just extra letter accidentally appered in a word. But for the russian speaking guy it's different! Iouri Basiliev is not alien to Russian - he knows Russian and he knows that "deRmocracy" in Russian is translated as "shitocracy"!!! :) from the first his post in this topic I understand that he must be an immigrant from former Soviet Union. He lives in German. Very probably he is not well adopted in German society - and is treated as person of "lesser quality". and this is the real reason why he so willingly participated in this talk (so imprudently started by Alex). For Iouri it's just an opportunnity (well I guess he thinks this way) to gain self confidence - by building corresponding hierarhcy of "values": he, lesser-rank German, is still "more civilized", "more democratic" than those "stupid barbaric" Ukrainians.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-29 10:35:00)
Thibault

I would recommend to close (and even to erase) this topic - because It's getting really in-polite and in-tollerant due to touch to painful internal problems of people/countries.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-29 14:10:43)
Big Chess Championship

The real problem with Big Chess games is that the length / duration can be almost infinite :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-29 14:43:33)
To moderate or not to moderate

"in-polite and in-tollerant" ? This discussion seems interesting, I don't see the point to close/erase it (yet), but if several other participants agree on this, I'll do it.


Benjamin Block    (2008-09-29 15:06:47)
Copy game to fritz?

If you mean in fritz openingsbook you can do this.
You do this in frtitz 11 i just have that and fritz 6
Start the program fritz 11
Press "Edit"
Press "openingsbook" and "Improtgames..."
Now you choose the databas you want to use in this question you want the game from ficgs. I don´t rember the file name. But i think you can found it.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-09-29 17:06:19)
How to make a *.cbh from ficgs

That is the problem, I cannot find a path file name for the ficgs games. Wayne


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-29 17:51:37)
Iouri Basiliev

"Russian and ukrainian are my native languages" So you must know the simple fact that more than 70% of Crimea people consider Russian as their native language. For East and South of Ukraine we also can see that majority of people speak Russian. So saying about "artEficial introduction" of Russian in Ukraine, about "talking about country, not the region" - you demonstrate your own (one-eye blind) vision or it was adopted during your life in "not the raSist countries" or (what I believe is the most probable case) maybe both? as to you professorship - in Ukraine we already saw one "professor of Columbian University" of enormously great merits and honors but ... without a diploma - Roman Zvarych. http://www.pravda.com.ua/en/news/2005/7/23/543.htm his named turned into nickname for those from outside who being dressed up with different "titles & honors" like a Christmas trees teaches us Ukrainians how to live.


Josef Riha    (2008-09-29 19:32:36)
Hallo Wayne,

it's a little difficult, I believe.
Start Fritz and then change to the Database(the very right icon in the iconbar). Then click New Database. In the dialogue enter the name, e.g.: FICGS.cbh and open it. Remember the directory displayed at top.
Now go to your ficgs site and download your games in that directory.
After this load one game after the other and save them as New Game. That's all.


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-09-30 00:14:59)
ownloading ficgs games

thank you Josef. My problem is I see no way to download ficgs games, that is my problem, the rest of the stuff i know. wayne


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2008-09-30 00:30:57)
Lermontov s Pushkinim vmeste

"Russians are not "National Minorities", as Choukchas or Eskimos" Readers already understood that you HATE Russians (with all you references to Pushkin and Lermontov) that you don't even give them right to be nationality (and thus minority). and this hate - is the only thing that speaks in you.


Josef Riha    (2008-09-30 02:17:46)
Re: ownloading

No problem, at the bottom of each game you find a link to download(after the two enter fields for comments).


Josef Riha    (2008-09-30 09:01:07)
copy games

No problem :-)
Very dubious! I've done this several times and it works.
After loading the .pgn file into the GUI you must change to your database and in that window click on the 'add game' icon(I don't know how it is written in the English version). A dialogue appears where you can edit some datas. With OK it is saved.
I hope you don't misunderstand my extensive description:-)
An easier way is to create a new game and parallel to FICGS you enter the moves done by you and your opponent.
Greetings, Josef.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2008-09-30 19:29:45)
Maybe use Chessbase 8-9-10 or light

The problem is Fritz is not designed as database you have more flexibility using Chessbase. After downloading the game ( it is saved as pgn ) You need to open that game and choose File-Save As- Here you are given the choice to save the game to a database of your choice, for example, lets create My FICGS games, open Chessbase, File-New Database-and create your database in any place you want, generally My documents-Chessbase-etc. So after you have created your database open the downloaded game , again I suggest open it with Chessbase, and choose File-Save As- and put it in the database we created My FICGS games, voila. In Fritz creating a database takes 2 more clicks. First go to File-Open database or F12 then in that window choose File-New database or Ctrl+X , and the the same procedure as above. Choose your path , name it, then open your downloaded game(s)and Save As, choose the database of your preferences. Even in chessbase light this is possible, but the number of games in each database is restricted to 50,000 I believe. Hope this helps


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-02 11:50:49)
Game 16370, towards a new rule ?

What do you think about this case :

http://www.ficgs.com/game_16370.html


Last move : Qe4+ 2008 September 30 19:57:40

White clock - 94 days 18:34:55 (58 days 08:20:25)
Black clock - 0 day 01:19:54

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_A__000032"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2007.11.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Koch,Christian"]
[Black "Stephenson,Andrew"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2140"]
[BlackElo "2104"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.h3 Be7 9.Qf3 O-O 10.O-O-O b5 11.g4 b4 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.exd5 Bc8 14.Kb1 Nd7 15.Qe2 Bb7 16.f4 Qc7 17.fxe5 Nxe5 18.Qf2 Bd8 19.Bg2 a5 20.Nd4 a4 21.Rhe1 a3 22.b3 Ra5 23.Nf5 g6 24.Nh6+ Kg7 25.Qf4 Bxd5 26.Bxd5 Rxd5 27.Qxb4 Qc6 28.Rxd5 Qxd5 29.Qf4 f6 30.Bc1 Qc5 31.Rd1 Ba5 32.Qe4 Rc8 33.c4 Bb4 34.h4 Qc6 35.Rd5 Re8 36.Qf4 Bc5 37.Bd2 Qb7 38.Bc3 Bb4 39.g5 f5 40.Qd2 Bxc3 41.Qxc3 Kf8 42.Kc1 Qb6 43.c5 Qc6 44.Rxd6 Qh1+ 45.Kc2 Qe4+ 46.Kc1 Qh1+ 47.Kc2 Qe4+ 48.*


So here player Black has good chances to lose the game on time, even if the best thing player White can do is to draw the game. In my opinion, "in general" player Black should play his next move, unless an analysis prove that the game is a forced draw - according to the rules, http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications - and eventually the result will be corrected after the game, but I'd like to know what other players think about this situation in general...

Thanks for helping to build strong rules.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-02 20:15:08)
Game 22676, towards a new rule ?

Once again, an unusual case that may lead to an enforcement of FICGS rules. In our match, Marius lost 3 games on time and continues to play the other ones : FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_2__000005

Games 22676, 22678 and 22679 have been lost in an equal position.

Currently, the rules specify : 11.6 "Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating) or in global forfeit cases against the same opponent, ie. 8-games matches, but games where an advantage is obvious."

Of course, it is up to the referee to estimate an 'advantage' which is quite hard to define accurately, but the real problem is there's no real silent withdrawal in this case, as Marius had about 1 day only to play his last move. It is fair to cancel my wins in these games IMO but the question is how to make the rules fair enough in all cases.

My suggestion : "...or in global forfeit cases, including losses on time whatever the context, in at least 2 games in a 2 players tournament, ie. chess championship's 8-games matches, but games where an advantage is obvious."

What do you think ? Also does anyone see another unusual case that this rule wouldn't envisage ?

Thanks in advance.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-10-03 09:06:04)
Rules

I think you are right Thibault ie amend the rule as you suggest. However maybe change the wording put EXCEPT instead of BUT ("except games where an advantage is obvious")otherwise the english is difficult to understand (but so much better than my french!!)In this case though perhaps Marius is not going to play anymore moves at all in which case it could be classified as silent withdrawal?? At the level he is at it he surely does not need the time to get the positions the fact is that Marius (probably because he has got lot of games/commitments elsewhere) is not playing much at all in FICGS - looks like he will forfeit in the Round Robin final for example.... The existing rules make a distinction between matches and other tournaments. if you follow the other posters then it seems that they are saying that you should not have the rule for silent withdrawals or even losses under 10 moves?? So I vote for the extension proposed by Thibault it seems logical to me for matches - they are not primarily about rating. The idea is that it is too distorting to have a rating that shows a 6-0 win over a similer high level opponent when they just stopped playing and it has nothing much to do with relative playing strength. On the other hand Thibault it will give you a cool rating!! :) Both view points are valid - its true time is a part of the game - but rules involve compromise and the proposed amendment just extends the principle already there........


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-03 21:46:16)
Anand vs. Kramnik

While the match Kamsky vs. Topalov still seems uncertain, the match Anand vs. Kramnik for the FIDE world chess championship is quickly approaching... After many good & bad results recently for both players, any favourite ? :)

As for me, I have no idea... chess just looks like lotery sometimes.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-10-03 22:42:17)
Psychology

I give an edge to Kramnik not in terms of chess ability or strength but he seems stronger psychologically more able to take the pressure. On the other hand the match is a bit short 8 games which I think is good for Anand. Finally Anand is favourite in the tie break games. For me the key opening questions are: Whats kramniks e4 defence? my bet is at least 1 outing for the Marshall which Anand has performed badly against and the Caro Kahn (which Kramnik has hardly ever played) and no Petroff at all! I think Anand will stick with his semi slav. After his problem in the Leko match Anand will not be able to surprise Kramnik with 1 d4! My prediction: either 1 win and the rest drawn for Kramnik in the classical games or an Anand win in the rapid tie breaks.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-04 15:18:08)
Performance

Hello Lars, Performance (next to Future rating) is calculated according to FICGS rules and based only on your results in the current rating period - ie. from september 1st to november 1st.

Have a good day :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-04 19:35:26)
re : In response to Don

You wouldn't be penalized in that case. All this is about 8 games match, as Andrew said "The idea is that it is too distorting to have a rating that shows a 6-0 win over a similer high level opponent". The whole problem is just to know where to put the limit.

Well, as it is possible to win elo points this way (loss on time in equal or winning position) in round-robin tournaments, it should be possible in 8 games matches too, but 8 wins this way shouldn't be taken in consideration.

Consequently, I propose a new rule, quite reasonable, that could satisfy everyone (finally even my rating :)), here is :

"11.6 "Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating) or in global forfeit cases, including losses on time whatever the context in a 2 players tournament, ie. chess championship's 8-games matches, except games where an advantage is obvious, in this case at most 2 of these games will be rated."


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-10-05 20:04:28)
Slight amendment

Thibault thinking about your point that "as it is possible to win elo points this way (loss on time in equal or winning position) in round-robin tournaments, it should be possible in 8 games matches too" I suggest the follwoing "Rating changes will occur, in 2 player matches, for losses on time (whatever the reason) within the following constraints: the game(s) is at least 10 moves, only 1 time loss game will be rated unless there is a game where the winner is clearly better in which case a maximum of 2 games may be rated" My idea is that if someone forefeits all their games on move 11 in a match there should be 1 game rated (as in a tournament) so there is a price to pay but not too distorting. If in the 8 games say 5 are level and 3 (or 2 or 1) are clearly advantageous then 2 games could be rated. Alternatively just give 1 rated game as a max irrespective of advantage or not (ie just the first loss) provided it at least 10 moves. I am thinking of 2 situations a 6-0 result over 10 moves dead equal positions there should be some rating penalty (like tournaments) On the other hand soemone could let the clock run out in 6 games just before being mated in each game to avoid heavy rating penalty they should take a 2 game hit.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-06 18:03:43)
Rybka is World Computer Chess Champion

No surprise, Rybka wins the 16th World Computer Chess Championship (2008)... Strangely, Rybka was running on the most powerful hardware, a 40-core system, in comparison Mobile Chess was running on a Nokia cell phone, so results are to be compared. Anyway, good result for Hiarcs, and a (very) bad tournament for Shredder.

The tournament results :

Rybka 8.0 / 9
Hiarcs 7.0 / 9
Junior 6.0 / 9
ClusterToga 5.5 / 9
Shredder 4.5 / 9
Falcon 4.0 / 9
Jonny Beijing 4.0 / 9
Deep Sjeng 3.5 / 9
The Baron 2.5 / 9
Mobile Chess 0.0 / 9


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-10-06 21:15:21)
complete results

Here's the link for the complete results http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/tournament.php?id=181 Iy seems smartgo did not compete.....


Kevin D. Plant    (2008-10-08 23:55:37)
Latvian Gambit

I wished I had seen this earlier. I am actually playing in the 6th World Latvian Gambit Championship Semi-Finale. http://www.gambitchess.com/


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-10-13 07:33:14)
Hello Thibault

I am just curious. I just realized that I am getting close to 3 norms for FEM. In Tournament M #15 I have already enough points for a FEM norm. In Tournament M #21 I will earn a FEM and possibly FIM norm. In M #19 it is possible I could earn FEM norm. Question: in the M #15 tournament I have not been notified about qualifying. ( and I have). Which brings up the question. Do you notify the players of norm status. And should a player earn enough to get 3 FEM norms does the server notify that player, and how often are Status achievments upgraded. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-13 12:06:00)
J Lo

Well played Don ;) .. actually I did not watch the film yet, and I forgot the name of the actress with Richard Gere. Thanks for reminding me... (btw she was great in U-Turn)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-13 12:31:56)
Hello Wayne :)

The norms calculation occur about once per month but it just consider tournaments where you have no more running games !

I just launched a calculation so you should see the changes now (and you must have been warnt by email for your norms and title). Well, actually I see no norm for you so you must have at least one running game in this tournament.

My best,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-15 23:49:23)
Game 2

GM Anand (2783) - GM Kramnik (2772) [E25]
WCh Bonn GER (2), 15.10.2008

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.f3 d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.cxd5 Nxd5 8.dxc5 f5 9.Qc2 Nd7 10.e4 fxe4 11.fxe4 N5f6 12.c6 bxc6 13.Nf3 Qa5 14.Bd2 Ba6 15.c4 Qc5 16.Bd3 Ng4 17.Bb4 Qe3+ 18.Qe2 0-0-0 19.Qxe3 Nxe3 20.Kf2 Ng4+ 21.Kg3 Ndf6 22.Bb1 h5 23.h3 h4+ 24.Nxh4 Ne5 25.Nf3 Nh5+ 26.Kf2 Nxf3 27.Kxf3 e5 28.Rc1 Nf4 29.Ra2 Nd3 30.Rc3 Nf4 31.Bc2 Ne6 32.Kg3 Rd4 1/2-1/2

The prize fund (1.5 million Euro, not bad :)) will be equally split between Kramnik & Anand.

Time control : 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves and 15 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30 seconds per move.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-19 10:16:47)
official language of britain

The answers to these might interest those who do not know: What is/are the: 1. National Anthem of UK, 2. Official lanuage(s) of UK, 3-10. questions 1-2 for England, scotland, Wales, N. Ireland resp.

The answers to all these questions is - NONE. [and of course, no Constitution also :)] So people from other countries might consider if these things - official language, national anthem, ... - are really necessary!


Alexis Bromo    (2008-10-19 16:18:20)
Normajean

I wrote not about foreign people. I told about citizens of Ukraine. Most of them speaks russian. But it is not national language.


Michel van der Kemp    (2008-10-21 12:59:31)
Very weird

Very weird how Kramnik first declines Anand's pawn sacrifice on d4, when he plays Re1, but then later takes on d4 anyway. If he had thought d4 to be bad in the first place, why on earth did he decide to take it later?

I start to believe Fischer, when he said that all championships after 1972 have been pre-arranged :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-22 06:18:35)
Alexis Bromo

And I wrote about citizens of britain. Most of them speak english. But it is not national language. Because there is no national language of britain.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-10-23 18:54:26)
... brr

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 d5 5.Qh5+ g6 6.Nxg6 hxg6 7.Qxh8 Kf7 8.Qd4 Be6 9.Be2 Nc6 10.Qe3 Nh6 11.d3 Nf5 12.Qg5 Nfd4
(13.Bd1 exd3 =)
13.Qxd8 Rxd8 14.Bd1 exd3 15.cxd3 Bf5
(15.-- Nb4? 16.Bg5 and 17.Kd2 +/=)
16.Bg5 Re8+ 17.Kd2 Ne6 18.h4
(18.Be3 Ne5 19.Bb3 Rd8 20.d4 Nc4+ 21.Bxc4 dxc4 22.Nc3 Nxd4 23.Rad1 Nc2+ 24.Kc1 Re8 25.Bg5 Nb4 26.Rd4 Nd3+ 27.Kd2 b5 =)
18.-- Ne5 19.Nc3 d4 20.Ne4
(20.Nd5 c6 =)
20.-- Nxd3 21.f3
(21.Nf6 Bb4+ 22.Ke2 Nxg5+ 23.Nxe8 Ne6 24.Nxc7 Nxc7 25.Bb3+ Kf6 26.Rhd1
(26.Rad1 Ne6 27.Bxe6 Nf4+ 28.Kf3 Nxe6 29.a3 Bf8 =)
26.-- Ne6 27.Bxe6 Nf4+ 28.Kf3 Nxe6 29.a3 Bd6 =)
21.-- Nxb2 22.Bb3 b5 23.Rhc1 c5 24.Rab1 Bxe4 25.fxe4 c4 26.Rxb2
(26.Rf1+ Kg8 27.Bxb2 Nc5 28.e5 Ne4+ 29.Kd1 Nc3+ 30.Kc2 Ba3 31.Rf4
(31.Re1 Nd5 32.Bxc4 bxc4 33.Rb7 Rf8 =)
31.-- Bxb2 32.Kxb2 cxb3 imho =)
c3+ 27.Kd3!
(27.Kc2 cxb2 28.Rf1+ Kg7 29.Bf6+ Kh7 30.Kxb2 Nc5 31.e5
(31.Bxd4 Nxb3 32.Kxb3 Rxe4 33.Rxf8 Rxd4 =)
31.-- Bg7 32.Kc2 d3+ =)
27.-- cxb2 28.Rf1+ Kg7 29.Bf6+ Kh7 30.Bxe6 Rxe6 31.Bxd4 Ra6 or 31.-- Kh5 (Unclear for me, but imho black can draw at least in one of them) =

I will check it one more time. But it looks that black can fight for draw after <<1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 d5 5.Qh5+ g6 6.Nxg6 hxg6 7.Qxh8 Kf7 8.Qd4 Be6 9.Be2 Nc6 10.Qe3 Nh6 11.d3 Nf5 12.Qg5>> too.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-24 05:31:55)
llamars, result of tourney research?

llmars, is that the result of research connected with games in the two latvian tourneys you were/are playing [here and at iccf] - or independent of them?

Okay I'll add them to chessopedia [with due credit to you] in november --- too busy, overloaded, tired now...


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-24 05:36:48)
reminds me..

reminds me of this Tinto Brass film 'Fallo!' - the episode where this woman is making love and there is a neighbouring voyeur - and she is so disappointed at the end because - the voyeur [assumed male] is peeping not on her, but on the *male* :)

PS: the film is not worth seeing..


Don Groves    (2008-10-24 06:11:15)
Reminds me...

Thanks for the warning ;-)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-10-25 20:40:00)
Update

I checked it and it seems now that after 12.Qg5 Nfd4 13.Qxd8 white wins.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-26 00:13:03)
Aigner, the book is *here*!

Book for latvian? it seems they get outdated nowadays before they get published.. there is Kosten's book, ECO, ..., etc. Good to have them at hand, but it looks like all the lines have got outdated! Best is to search internet - and look at posts specially llmars's posts - here..

Interesting, your draw -- so the only way to draw with black against llmars in the latvian gambit is - no preparation! :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-26 08:03:34)
ive seen those chesville articles before

http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/LatvianGambitRevisited.htm

http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/LatvianGambitRevisited_PartTwo.htm - not bad for a starting uderstanding.. but the lines - dont follow them blindly! doublecheck with latest databases and - with llmars :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-10-26 09:31:03)
More

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_anlys/040410_latvian_gambit.html
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_anlys/040703_anthr_olk_atth_ltvn_gmbt.html
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_anlys/040801_two_wild_black_systems.html
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_letters/040223_splat_the_lat.html (!)
http://www.jeremysilman.com//chess_opng_anlys/040223_more_splat_the_lat.html (!)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-26 11:57:39)
SSL / https problem

Hello all,

If you use the site in HTTPS mode with Firefox 3 or a more recent version (the latest is 3.0.3), you may have intermittently encountered this error : SSL received an unexpected Change Cipher Spec record. (Error code: ssl_error_rx_unexpected_change_cipher)

This is a bug from OpenSSL that occurs with Firefox 3+ , I just added something to correct it so please just report any bug of that kind here if you have it yet. Thanks in advance.


Iouri Basiliev    (2008-10-29 14:36:03)
Latvian gambit

Latvian Gambit is bad opening for blacks: e4 e5 Nf3 f5?? is Kings Gambit(KG) (trans)position with extra tempo for white. KG is not playable at high level due to white can achieve draw at maximum. Extra tempo gives whites at LG anormous advantage in comparison with KG. Whatever "theory" is talking about. Sorry.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-29 18:23:20)
to Iouri Basiliev

But we agree with you! Only, it is not mathematically proven, and we do NOT hope to prove it, so we want to increase the likelihood that the statement is true :) Or, at least we want to reduce the margin of error [all in the Bayesian paradigm] Bayesian because - if you talk of conventional probability P rather than likelihood, then if P is the probability that the position after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 is a win for white, then either P=0 or P=1 [as chess is a complete information game], only we do not know whether P=0 or P=1.


Scott Nichols    (2008-10-30 10:06:18)
Quick chess?

I would like to see a new time format of game in 10 days with a 4 hour increment per move. A lot of players like to play fast but need more than one day, but do not need 30 or more days. Would anybody else be interested? Any thoughts?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-30 12:12:34)
10 d + 4 h / move

Hi Scott,

A strange format, very stressful and difficult to play.. I think many players would try it but it would cause forfeits (losses on time) and rating problems quite quickly IMO :/ .. 30 days + 1 day per move is very fast already. Then, the "correspondence blitz" format seems a good choice to me.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-30 12:13:57)
Wikichess

Thanks :) .. There are some improvements to follow yet (ie. hashtables). But it is really better, I agree.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-30 12:32:47)
:)

Hi Garvin, yes this is a small "display" bug that will disappear by itself, not a clock problem.

To Don, Normajean and Rodolfo: don't worry I already thought about that (well, about FICGS at least) :-)


Benjamin Block    (2008-10-30 14:14:34)
Extrem fast time.

The fastest time control i ever seen in corr is 7 days+0 on a whole game. The game chould not be more then 14 days. But it is too fast for me. I did test it. It is more a time game you need to play on the day and night. 30+0 Did i also play it was hard but it did work if the games did not get over 100 moves.
30+1 is a good time control! But if you want a max time control it is better with the other.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-30 15:08:01)
ok now: prob was ABP or popup-block

Thanks thibault!

The problem was simple: recently firefox had crashed so I had to reinstall it, and also I reinstalled plugins including adblock plus. But I forgot to : make exception in adblock plus for ficgs; also I forgot to allow popups for ficgs.

I just did that, and it is fine now!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-30 17:09:52)
Is Vishy Anand world champion ?

I do not understand anything anymore to the FIDE World Chess Championship cycle :( .. Is Anand the FIDE world champion 2008 as I can read it or was this match the semi final in the cycle ? The other match was (maybe in my mind only) Kamsky vs. Topalov .. and as far as I can remember there was some sponsors problems or so... What happened to this match ? Simply cancelled ??


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-30 20:15:55)
5x5 chess again - thibault please read!

Thibault, I know you dont want to start another variant - but since we [meaning ficgs] pushed the theory [and the demise :( ] of the latvian gambit further... and we will have another round of that, so

in 5x5 chess (5x5 board, starting position rnbqk/ppppp/8/PPPPP/RNBQK) [o-o-o etc allowed - all 8x8-chess-type moves allowed] - as far as I know this hasnt been solved yet - far from it; so:

Please consider introducing this some time in the future... ask around to see if there is enough demand... you can consider payment-only tournaments for 5x5 chess....

Plus it will make ficgs academically famous!

[I don't know who suggested this version first: I first read about it more than 25 years ago in a Martin Gardner article - at least then, no theory was known about it.]


Don Groves    (2008-10-30 20:19:24)
Response to Scott

Hi, Scott -- How about specifying a minimum number of moves per day rather than a time increment? Four hours per move would interfere with my sleep pattern ;-)


Scott Nichols    (2008-10-30 21:23:12)
To Don:

The 4 hours is not "per move", it adds up. Like if you played six quick "book" moves at the start, you would have an extra day right there. Also, an 8 hour increment would be more appealling to some :). We are getting some interest, that is for sure.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-30 21:27:23)
what I *really* miss is 1 move/month...

Wish there was a site with one move / month, one week increment after every move, max 400 days vacation every decade...

It will have health benefits also - I mean you may be a B up in the middlegame and opp may have no counterplay, but you have to maintain good health to live long enough to deliver checkmate! :)

Preferably, resignation should not be allowed in such a format :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-31 03:17:50)
replies to thibault's question..

1. No, computers cannot yet. Not even near. Afaik not even 'strongly conjectured to be a white win' or 'strongly conjectured draw' (3x3 chess has been strongly solved - it is not really a game because there is no suitable starting position - but there are complete tablebases for every legal placement of chess pieces on a 3x3 board. I posted the links in a forum thread a few months ago...)

2. Why this variant is special -

if you think about it, 5x5 chess is the smallest notrivial *natural* contraction of 8x8 chess.

Plus - or that is why - it was thought of many decades ago - as far as I remember, when Martin Gardner mentioned it about 25 years ago in his column 'mathematical games' in the USA-based science magazine 'Scientific American', he was merely mentioning it, he hadn't invented it...

I am waiting for one bigchess opponent to time out before going on 15-day chess-leave -- [she (Nicola) would have timed out on 27 Oct but it got extended because of the 7-day addition to clocks owing to server change] --- then I plan to find out the current state of 5x5 - whether some university etc. is researching it, etc. If there are results that indicate forced draw (or win) then I agree that there is not much point in doing it here...


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-31 03:38:44)
similarly,smallest natural *extension*-

similarly, what is the *smallest* natural *extension* of chess? [Again I am reposting this idea - i did it a few months ago]

Think about it this way, as far as way of moving is concerned, [keeping aside pawns for the moment] you have R, B, N moving in essentially different ways. Q = R + B as far as movement is concerned - i.e. a queen can move like a rook or like a bishop, as the player chooses. The movement of the Q is nothing more and nothing less.

So, to extend chess minimally and naturally [therefore extending the symmetry also] IMO the natural choice of new pice would be a piece which I call the superqueen, lets call it U [because S is knight in chess problems and in many non-english roman-script languages..]. The superqueen U moves like a R, a B, or a N, according to mover's choice. In other words, it moves like a Q or a N.

movewise, U = R + B + N = Q + N.

Now keeping symmetry and minimality in mind we get 10x10 chess with the following starting position:

rnbqukqbnr/pppppppppp/10/10/10/10/10/10/PPPPPPPPPP/RNBQUKQBNR.

In 10x10 castling O-O and O-O-O, it may be more natural for the king to move *three* squares [and the R crosses the king and goes adjacent to the new position of the king, just like in 8x8 chess.]

Actually long ago (1981-82) we tried this 10x10 a few times with some friends - we used to call *this* 10x10 thing 'big chess' :(

[we used a one-pound coin heads-up and tails-up for white and black superqueen resp.]

But the name bigchess is taken [and bigchess is nice :) ] , so I am just calling it 10x10 chess now..


Philip Roe    (2008-10-31 13:24:41)
Chess extensions

There seem to be many ways to extend chess. Most proposals, like yours Normajean, combine the powers of existing pieces. There may be other ways.

I saw it pointed out somewhere that if you put a piece somewhere near the middle of the board, at the center of a 5x5 patch of squares ,the N can go to any square in the patch not covered by a R or B. It was suggested that this might have been the reasoning of the original inventor. This makes even more sense if you consider that under medieval rules the K+Q covered a 3x3 patch.

Along these lines, consider a 7x7 patch and let the new piece go to any square not covered by an existing piece. Such a piece might be interesting. It would cover up to 16 pieces and be a formidable long-range weapon, but perhaps rather helpless at close quarters.

In designing an initial position, I would want to take into account the possibility of early interactions. In regular chess the placing makes such possibilities as the pinning of Nc3 by Bb4 possible. Proponents of FischerRandom call this kind of thing hackneyed, but I find most FR positions sterile because the game has no initial shape.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-10-31 20:37:59)
10x10 "super" chess

The 10x10 variant seems much more funny but it is not so far from 8x8 chess. Ok, let's say that 5x5 chess is a "natural" variant, but I see no real interest to play it yet as the first 5x5 chess engine will be probably invincible :/

16x16 big chess is too long but IMO the great interest is that the pieces are the same and it is far enough from computer chess (unlike chess 960)... But it is not played enough yet and the more tournament categories, the more variants (..whatever), the less players in each one. This site is firstly dedicated to competition, unlike some other sites that offer tens of variants and it is not compatible IMO :/ .. Big chess & chess 960 + all unrated categories are a lot of chess tournaments already, maybe too many.


Normajean Yates    (2008-10-31 22:52:08)
I love [16x16] bigchess! :)

But disclosure of bias: I am winning my first bigchess (16x16) tournament 6-0 I think ;)

[4-0 I have already, One opp is timing out, and the only remaining opp: well see game 23201... ]

Let me be clear, 16x16 is very nice, need 'far' sight in two senses of the word :), and I would still love it - even if I was losing!

If some genie gave me the option that 'okay, from tomorrow at ficgs there will be no bigchess but there will be 5x5 and 10x10 and Philip Roe's generalisation to 7x7 with a nice initial position worked out -

I'd say no! I want bigchess!


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-01 00:00:10)
a *playable* 3x3 chess :-/

Well as I said 3x3 chess has been strongly solved - by complete set of tablebases - but it is not really a playable game for lack of good starting position - the english wikipedia has links and info on 3x3, 5x5 [it *was* Martin Gardner who proposed it in 1969 acc to wikipedia], 6x6.

(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minichess)

Well here is a playable version of 3x3 chess - even 1x3 chess! at least Samuel Beckett would have called it eminently playable!

3x3: 2k/3/K2 w.
1x3: k1K w.

And the kings - wait for Godot!




Normajean Yates    (2008-11-01 23:43:03)
Benjamin Block - I agree

It seems there is some HP product that offers 5x5 chess of various kinds including the one I describled - it is called 'Gardner minichess' now. English-wikipedia 'minichess' entry has a link to that - and in a discussion forum on that HP thing I found - "recent play suggests that Gardner minichess is a draw".

So the first decent engine for it would finish it, it seems, as thibault said earlier in this thread...

Someone modify crafty for 5x5 and check - yawn - I am toooo lazy --- plus crafty [and all later closed source engines I suppose] are too strongly low-level optimised for 8x8 chess --- writing an engine from scratch? Well I know the seven steps [they are/were on an internet in a nice article] --- but I have retired from writing code --- written enough for three lifetimes; no more programming for me.

*Proving* that Gardner-minichess is a draw would be more difficult -- 20-piece tablebases! (okay, in a much smaller space) - that's for the universities --- they have to do something to give out M.S.'s and Ph.D.s - so let them do it :)

[they did it with draughts <called checkers in the USA> - it is solved ie proven to be a draw -- let them try Gardner-minichess now :)]

3x3 - as I said there are complate tablebases now including for positions with pawns on first rank -- so it is very-strongly solved [i.e. given *any* position, the result and the best play for that result are known - in fact online accessible -- instant results of course... you'll find the link on eng-wikipedia -- I have accessed it [3x3 chess site] before but yesteday it seemed to be down - the old link was http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/3x3-chess/ but it is broken now...


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-02 02:36:49)
to Iouri Basiliev - extra tempo..

Loss of tempo? I claim that after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 the unique move that puts white into *zugzwang* is 2..f5!!. Disprove the statement mathematically if you can! :D


Benjamin Block    (2008-11-02 17:13:30)
We can try

I thinked a bit today. Computer have a bit problem (closed positions.) And humen are long from cleared it. Some cool positons. I played some games vs my self. And it was very funny :UP: The computer will not fix it very fast. First we need to make a openingsbook before the computer can fix the game.
Why not test?


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-03 05:43:35)
vacation bug?

I have gone on vacation, but in Game 21702 it is opponent's move - and opponent's clock is still moving!:

Normajean Yates ... is in vacation until 2008 November 7

White clock - 98 days 01:11:33
Black clock - 94 days 15:34:05 (59 days 23:22:32)


and now:

Normajean Yates ... is in vacation until 2008 November 7

White clock - 98 days 01:11:33
Black clock - 94 days 15:32:46 (59 days 23:21:13)


So opponent's clock has decreased from 94 days 15:34:05 to 94 days 15:32:46 !


Wayne Lowrance    (2008-11-03 18:30:23)
Quick chess

Well seems to be a lot of interest here by many players. My thoughts on super short games here are, if that is what you all want I am for it. I wont enter most likely any super short games however. The original post of 10 days + a increment of 4 hrs/moves is too fast for ole gramps here. Like several have commented here, allowing time build up to enormous value is very very bad. I agree with Don and Mark on these notions. I think the suggestion of not allowing the timer to exceed the base limit is practical and VERY desireable Thibault ! I like the discussion on this topic, It is good.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-11-04 00:12:23)
5 Queens problem

The queens problem for a 5x5 board has 10 possible solutions, time ago I build a small java application to solve the N queens problem, and I used it for a 5x5 board.


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-04 03:43:33)
Rodolfo, this is not n queens prob!

1. 5 queens prob [none attacking any other] on 5x5 board has ZERO solutions, as is easy to see.
2. n queens problem - fast solution, all solutions, all solutions excluding symmetry etc. is routine exercise after teaching back tracking in a programming course. Also, writing recursive program in lisp, tail recursive program, program with function being called with itself as a parameter [in untyped languages - otherwise you get 'infinite type' error], lazy-eval-function-program [typically for Haskell] - are routine exercises for leaerning a new fundamentally different language for experienced programmers.


BUT I DO NOT SEE THE RELEVANCE OF THE N QUEENS PROBLEM HERE! WE ARE DISCUSSION 5X5 COMPETITIVE CHESS WITH START-POS rnbqk/ppppp/8/PPPPP/RNBQK w Qq !

nxn queens is 2 minutes programming exercise! Writing a good engine for above is a big project!

Continuing the topic of engines for above (nowadays called Gardner minichess) - we also need some endgame tablebases. That should not be difficult: modifying source code of nalimov tablebase generators. [download tbgen.c - or is it cc (c++)? I have the source - it is GPL anyway...

We are not talking about future ficgs things - we are discussing a point of some academic interest, that is all.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-11-04 04:20:01)
5x5 Queens problem

There are solutions, one is a1, b3, c5, d2 and e4


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-04 12:28:45)
n queens - number of solutions: n<=15

The following table gives the number of solutions for n queens, both unique (sequence A002562 in OEIS) and distinct (sequence A000170 in OEIS). for n =1 to 15: n queens: no. of solutions:

distinct: 1,0,0,2,10,4,40,92,352,724,2680,14200, 73712,365596,2279184.

up to symmetry: 1,0,0,1,2,1,6,12,46,92,341,1787,9233, 45752,285053.

So the 5 queens prob has two solutions, but the 6 queens prob has only one! [for 5 quuens, by rotating and/or reflecting them you get total 10 solutions which you got.]

Exercise: modify your java applet to give essentially different solutions only i.e. eliminate 'duplicate solutions' i.e. solutions which are identical except for rotation and/or reflexion. First step: e.g. for 5 queens check placement of a-queen on a1,a2, a3 only [a solution with a4 will be a reflexion of a solution ith a2.]


Don Groves    (2008-11-05 08:02:06)
8 x 8 chess variant

There is another way to foil the computers and re-energize chess: A screen is placed between the two sides of the chess board and each player places their pieces on the board in accordance with two rules: (1) one pawn on each file; (2) no piece past its own third rank. Then the screen is removed and the game begins with White's first move.

Opening books become useless (requiring the computer to begin using its clock from the first move) and the usual endgames will rarely occur (although endgame databases are obviously still useful).

Knowing your opponent's tendencies becomes even more valuable than in the normal game.


Ben Milton    (2008-11-05 14:51:33)
opening book

I have downloaded the games played on playchess and was wondering how i could make an opening book based on them?


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-06 16:22:19)
what about a sokolosky thematic ?

What about a sokolosky (1.b4) thematic? Let's put 1.b4 to test, specially in view of 1.b4 e5 2.b5 - let's expand the theory!

No hurry, I mean say some time next year?


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-07 07:21:06)
Thanks thibault - I have entered!

So fast! Thibault, thank you - so nice!

I have entered the 1.b4 thematic.


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-07 08:44:13)
0-0 rather than O-O in wikichess..

Some people have mistakenly put in 0-0 [zero-zero] rather than O-O [Oh-Oh] in wikichess lines for short castling. As a result, the diagram does not show castling after 0-0, but it seems the contributors forgot to notice.

I rectified *one* of them, but a 'batch mode' repair of this by thibault is needed - this error might have crept in in so many lines, and might keep creeping in in the future also ..


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-07 20:36:31)
but I found lots, + wait for hashtables

but Mr Milton, *I* found loads of 2200+ v 2200+ sicilian games!

Hashtables haven't been implemented yet, but thibault said they are soon to come. so will not yet, but soon in the future, find transpositions into a sicilian, and at present but not in the near future you *will* find games that transposed *out* of sicilian...

What *did* you search for? In 'Opening' type 1.e4 d5, and for both black and white elo type 2200 - and you will get the sicilians, with the provisos I mentioned above


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-09 00:08:30)
Fire on board...

Open letter by Gata Kamsky :

"Dear President, gentelmen, Susan,

When I first saw Bill's letter I was happy, because finally USCF has been showing strong support for their representative. Whether there could be a better solution or a more diplomatic one is a good question, but the reality is that there is no time to negotiate and given FIDE's strong-arm history of negotiating, it is not likely to succeed.

When I spoke with FIDE Vice President Mr. Makropoulos in Greece, it was decided that both my team and Mr. Topalov's team would meet during the rest day at the Olympiad in Dresden to negotiate and discuss everything, including technical details. With their last public statement, Mr. Illumjinov not only attempted to revoke his personal guarantee of the match, but he also imposed the time limit of one week for the players to acceed to his demands and at the same time re-awarded the bid to the Bulgarian Federation, which was the original FIDE's intention in the first place. You all are aware of the clause in the FIDE regulation for this "special" match that gave the Bulgarian Chess Federation a privilege of matching any bid that is coming from my side, which effectively ruined any attempt to find and submit a bid from the United States.

Throughout the negotiations with my managers, FIDE did nothing to find a sponsor on their own, despite the fact that it was solely FIDE's decision to create this match, and thus to allow Mr. Topalov a backdoor into the final steps of the qualification proceedings for the world championship title, quite unfairly, I might add.

FIDE's entire purpose, for chess players, for fairness, has been changed into a special interest group organization and I personally believe that any negotiations with FIDE rulers or tsars, or whatever you like to call them, will be unsuccessful.

The time for the negotiation is over and the only way to fight FIDE is to expose their mistakes, and perhaps fight them in a court of law if and when FIDE broke the law. Therefore, I would respectfully request all USCF Board members to unite and find ways to make sure that justice and fairness will prevail.

Sincerely,
Gata Kamsky

Saturday, November 8, 2008"


More informations on Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5004


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-09 04:18:14)
thibault, I think written liaison <->..

missing letters. This happens when one word ends in a vowel, the other starts with a vowel, and ending-vowel of the first word gets removed because of oral liaison. Then, and only then, I think the is the *written* liaison - and that is why the apostrophe :)

Je + adoube = J'adoube :)

['<->' was 'if and only if' - 'if and only if' would not fit in the title, and 'iff' or 'fif' would not be understood by some readers so I would have to explain anyway :)]

In wikipedia aricles I did not find separate discussion of *written* liaison :(

[the hiatus avoidance that thibault earlier mentioned applies of course to *all* liaison..., in *all* languages which try to avoid hiatus :)] [If it doesnt, then people will at least in informal conversation evolve a colloquial hiatus-avoiding version ;)]

The rules for general liaison are complicated (only for people not fluent in french! they are very easy for every french child!):

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaison_(linguistique)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaison_(French)


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-11 12:32:58)
God is elsewhere... maybe...

I dont see any god, I am concerned with epistemology. If there is/are a/_ God/s, he/she/it/they are busy elsewhere... I dont see it/them (God/Gods), just like I don't see the forced mate in chess's opening position ;)


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-13 11:28:36)
no more posts from me re 'God'. :)

Just to remind rodolfo: 'the silence of god' is not one film, it is a trilogy as I said i.e. the collective name of three films:

1. Through a Glass Darkly (Swedish: Såsom i en spegel ("As in a mirror"))

2. Winter Light (Swedish: Nattvardsgästerna)

3. The Silence (Swedish: Tystnaden).




Normajean Yates    (2008-11-13 15:09:03)
to rodolfo: another strange coincidence

So we have two Ingmar Bergmans and three Ingrid Bergmans:

1.Your friend's husband and your friend.

2. The famous film director and his last wife [she was Ingrid, and took the husband's surname after marrying him]

3. The famous female actor Ingrid Begman, who was never Ingmar Bergman's wife! :)


PS: films reminded me: has Telesur started showing more literary and artistic programs? My friend Tariq Ali is on the board of advisors of Telesur, and he keep pressing them...

Anyway, please convey my greetings and solidarity message to President Chávez!


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-14 09:58:19)
my choice changes every 30 min!

so I dont remember what my first choice was!

Cannot think of a more boring and unimportant topic than this 'god' thing - YAWN -- so why am I posting on it?

Answer: I never posted on it [except for one post: the one in agreement with thibault] - my other apparent posts on the 'god' topic were obviously *actually* about pulling the previous poster's leg ;)


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-11-16 08:27:13)
Loss on time

Nice to see that special strange time management of some players here sometimes have negative consequences on their own.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-16 19:40:46)
Big chess : no castling

Hello Rick, the answer is no.

See rules for more details - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


Don Burden    (2008-11-18 01:02:26)
p2p

I use eMule. It's very slow, but seems to be the only way you can get some files. There are very few high quality DVD images and lossless (flac format) music files available. The vast majority are of low quality avi/mpg movies and mp3 music files.


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-18 15:29:20)
some more on P2P..

1. to thibault: *enable* encryption, do not *force* encryption [unless you are doing 'private' pre-arranged P2P :) ]. If you force encryption then you will probably get too few peers.

2. P2P: well, until early last year there were no flacs - now there are a few and it will keep growing ;) Also, lots of DVD images - dont you see all those 4.3 GB and 8 GB torrents for *one* film? Just go to http://isohunt.com [for privacy, use https://isohunt.com] and see!

if cue - bin files or .iso files are available you can just play these virtual cd/dvds through daemon-tools or winmount - you need not even burn them!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 00:51:01)
Poker Holdem at FICGS !!!

Finally, one of the biggest update this year !

Poker Holdem (or Poker Texas Hold'em) is available at FICGS !

This should be a start for long discussions... It was quite complicated to implement so I hope there will be no bug (please report if necessary). Please do not forget to read the complete rules here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#poker_holdem

If you estimate you're an experienced player, please just let me know (through the form in My account) and I'll update your "poker holdem ELO" to 1800.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 10:13:34)
First poker holdem game

You may now see the very first poker holdem game played at FICGS :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26171
http://www.ficgs.com/game_26171.html


Of course, many players will prefer the bullet time control (10 minutes + 20 seconds / move).


Michel van der Kemp    (2008-11-19 13:35:44)
Gratz

Gratz on implementing. I might give it a go, as long as I am not robbed from my pants.


Michel van der Kemp    (2008-11-19 16:29:09)
Poker e-mails

Hi Thibault, Thanks for adding this game. One questions/feature I am looking for: would it be possible to hold e-mails for these poker games alone, when I still receive e-mails for chess (or go if I were to play go games).


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 16:49:54)
Poker emails

Hello Michel, you mean you don't want to receive poker emails, right ? Well, maybe poker emails aren't as "important" as chess emails, as their volume should increase quickly players. So FICGS may filter all poker emails, what do you think ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 16:51:37)
1st FICGS poker standard tournament

The very first Poker Holdem round-robin tournament just started, you may observe the games here :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__TOURNAMENT_D__000001


Michel van der Kemp    (2008-11-19 16:53:18)
E-mails

It's what I meant. For the time being I have solved it in my mail client to send all poker mails to garbage bin, but it's best to control it on your server. Bandwidth is never unlimited :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 17:24:00)
No poker emails

Thanks for the good suggestion, Michel. After a while, I decided to block email notification for Poker Holdem games, but for the start of the games (updated).


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 23:06:24)
Games restarted

Sorry to all... I realized too late that there was a special rule in heads up situation : The dealer is always of small blind, I forgot that :/

I had to reinitialize all Poker Holdem games that started until there... (~30)

Sorry again...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-19 23:51:41)
Dealer -> Small blind

Why I restarted the first games :

The question was : In heads up, who is in the big blind, the dealer or the non-dealer ? What is the order of play pre-flop and post-flop ?

The answer : " In heads up holdem, the dealer button has the small blind and the other player has the big blind. The dealer button gets dealt the first card (because he is the small blind), then the big blind gets his/her first card. Then after the players get their cards, the preflop betting starts with the small blind -- the dealer button. After the flop is shown, now the player on the dealer button is last to act (like normal). So preflop the dealer has to act first and gets the small blind, after the flop -- flop, turn and river betting -- the dealer is second to act. The reason this is like this is because if the dealer button had the big blind, it would be too much power -- the dealer would have the big blind (already a lot of money in) plus position for every betting round. This would make heads up play really tight with the small blind only playing with premium hands (in which case the dealer would most likely fold). So by giving the small blind to the dealer button, it is more balanced and a better game."


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-20 01:23:06)
Chips

Hi Don, here are the current FICGS rules :

"d. Rules for Poker Holdem (or Poker Texas Hold'em) are official rules. Both players must play until one resign, or game is adjudicated (when one player wins 3 rounds). A poker holdem game is played in 3 winning rounds of 100 chips by player, played in "no limit" mode. The minimal bet is always 1 chip and does not depend on the blind's value. The small blind's value is doubled after the 50th hand, then after the 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th hand (the big blind then is 64 chips)."

No epoints in these tournaments, we play for the rating only.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-20 12:47:15)
"Are all chess players machos ?"

An interesting interview of Levon Aronian in Chessbase news !

His answer : "As a chess player one has to be able to control one’s feelings, one has to be as cold as a machine. We men do not let ourselves be, let us say, seduced by our emotions and feelings. But there is a paradox in chess. - Which is? - The paradox is that the best chess players are the most emotional ones."

"A gentleman at the board can suddenly turn into a barbarian. Like Anand."

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5025


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-20 18:28:51)
Are female chess players 'macho'?

Judit Polgár, Zsuzsanna Polgár,Zsófia Polgár, Alexandra Kosteniuk, Pia Cramling, Xu Yuhua, ...

older days: the Chiburdanidze sisters; ..

even older: Vera Menchik..

Are/were they 'macho'?


Dinesh De Silva    (2008-11-20 19:29:38)
Re: Are female chess players 'macho?'

Eureka!!! I think I've got it....I've solved a great, longstanding mystery! The aforementioned strong, 'macho' female chess players were actually MEN in WOMENS' DISGUISE! Whoa!!!!!


Don Groves    (2008-11-21 00:15:03)
Poker interface

It seems there is an unnecessary extra step. When we choose our play and press "Move," why isn't that sufficient? Why must we later press "Send?"


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-21 19:58:44)
Two consecutive plays

Wikipedia will explain it better than I can do :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_holdem

In brief, after the flop (1st, 2nd & 3rd card), the turn (4th card) or the river (5th card), the first player to bet is always the one following the dealer, whoever played just before.


Don Groves    (2008-11-21 22:19:57)
One more question

Thanks, Thib, for the previous explanation.

My other question concerns checking before the flop. It seems to me there should be no option to check on a player's first play. The pot has already been "opened" by the blinds, so the first player to act can only fold, call, or raise. Is this different in the "head-to-head" game?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-21 22:33:58)
Example

This is normal, just like Texas Holdem with more than two players : One player is in the big blind.. all other players may call, then the player in the big blind may bet.. and of course he is not obliged to raise, so he may check.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-22 13:22:52)
Poker Holdem Championship

Hello all !

The next chess & Go championships waitings lists are now open, this is a good time to share our views for an interesting Poker Holdem world championship scheme (before to open the waiting list)...

It may look like the FICGS Go championship (one round robin tournament involving the 9 highest rated players, then a match between the winner & title holder), or it may be a multi-stages round-robin tournament (with or without a final match).. and so on. What do you think ?

The idea of a cycle looking like the Go championship is that the standard tournaments are in a way also preliminary tournaments of the championship.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-23 15:39:23)
Show both cards at Showdown

A small update to come for Poker Holdem as, according to the rules, if a player must show his hand, he's required to show both pocket cards, even if one (or two) of these cards are not necessary in the best hand. (thx Volker :))

I understand that this rule applies in all cases, please correct me if I'm wrong.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-23 23:45:53)
Implemented

Hi Don. That's now implemented, but it will be online tuesday in the morning only.


Michel van der Kemp    (2008-11-24 12:57:14)
Another request

Since you are obviously not busy at all, Thibault: would it be possible to show the betting history just for a specific hand? I understand it can be seen from the 'moves', but it's not in a human-friendly format. It's difficult to see where an old hand ended and a new hand starts, for example, or just the numbers is hard to decipher what was going on. It would be great if we could get a history something like this, perhaps on the right of the board?: Player 1: raises with 3 (Pot: 4) Player 2: checks (Pot:6) Dealer: deals flop (Pot: 6) Player 1: checks (Pot: 6) Player 2: raises with 4 (Pot: 10) etc. This way it's easy to see the history of the hand.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-24 14:45:34)
Poker Holdem updates

Hi Ben, yes the update (pocket cards) will take place tomorrow morning.

Michel, I understand the sense of that request in correspondence poker games, but I'm not sure yet, including on the way to do it, IMO the name of the opponent may be enough (well, after all the brain may not be useless :)) .. thinking about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-24 14:50:09)
Poker Holdem game duration

Well... as a correspondence poker holdem game may last about 500 moves at most, it is quite complicated to think about a multi stages tournament that would last 3 or 4 years... I think the current formula (looking like the Go championship) will be the one... waiting for a Poker freestyle cup :)


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-25 20:10:43)
Nunn's suggestion is sound...

Sound suggestion in broad outline: may be some of the details could be improved -

e.g. one potentionally contentious point: how much should the activity bonus be? -

Case in point: Fischer before the 1972 World Chamionships was largely 'inactive' for several years. Turns out one of the things he was doing was playing game after game against himself: an extremely strenuous thing to do...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-26 10:45:28)
Spreadsheet

"If you could just make the plays and the cards dealt at each turn available" .. looks like there's a problem.. if we show the cards dealt, the game loses its whole interest, right ? :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-26 11:04:55)
Pocket cards

As it is a turn based server, not so easy to see 2 full tables in a single screen also without creating confusion IMO :/ .. That's a problem, thinking about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-26 11:19:40)
High Stakes Poker

Nice :) .. Four of a kind vs. Full house


Reminds me a bad adventure on this server already ;)

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26407&move=728
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26407&move=729


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-26 17:27:45)
The very best Poker hands at FICGS

Here we go :)

November 26, 2008 - Almost 200 running poker games and already a nice best of poker texas holdem hands seen at showdown (one per game only) :


1. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26173&move=36
2. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26208&move=169
3. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26407&move=729
4. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26182&move=94
5. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26234&move=190
6. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26233&move=41
7. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26183&move=41
8. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26311&move=20
9. http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26196&move=10


Well, I touched my first four of a kind (aces) yesterday but it seems logical as I'm probably the most addicted player :)


Michael Sharland    (2008-11-26 20:32:17)
Time controls for Holdem

It seems clear that most holdem tournaments are going to require 200-600 moves to complete. This seems to indicate that the time control probably needs to be accelerated from 1 move / day in order to finish these in a reasonable time. Given that the thinking time needed for poker is only a few seconds rather than hours or days, the time needed for a move should be much less than for Chess or Go.

Some ideas might be to:

1) reduce the time control further to 1 move / 12 hours or even less.

2) cap the maximum days at 30 or so.

3) change the format to 2 out of 3 rather than 3 out of 5.

Anyway, just some thoughts.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-26 21:58:40)
Time controls for Holdem

Correspondence time controls (> 1 day) are very delicate to manage. If we set an increment inferior to 1 day, it may provoke some problems with a few players trying to find some tricks to win on time or at least to keep a time pressure on their opponents (most players sleep during the night yet :)). With the current time control, most players still seem to play fastly and, of course, do not hope to win on time. And last but not least, this is much less stressful than rapid chess tournaments :)

However the maximum days could be inferior for poker, that's right, but let's see... I'm not sure it is really necessary to change something yet.


Don Groves    (2008-11-26 23:09:47)
Spreadsheet

The download would only apply to hands that end with a showdown and would only be available after the hand was finished. So no info about hole cards would be available until then.

I can do this without a download file but that means taking the time to record every bet/call/raise and the cards themselves and this info is already available to you.

Maybe on the back burner for when you have nothing to do <ha-ha, some joke, right?>


Don Groves    (2008-11-27 01:16:27)
My best hand

I was once dealt a pat straight flush, two through six of clubs! The only problem was I was down to my last $2 in a 2/4 game of five card draw, so that was all I could bet. I was all in before the draw and some other guy made a full house on the draw and won more than I did :-(


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-27 12:44:40)
Showdown

Could you send me an example (here or email) ie. the game number & move ? Thx !


Don Groves    (2008-11-28 01:21:01)
Why?

Why would anyone fold when they can check? It costs them nothing to see the next card. If the other player bets, then they can fold.


Benjamin Block    (2008-11-28 19:19:59)
Straight royal flush

The best hand you chould get in texas hold em. The change to get it is 1 of 649740.


Don Groves    (2008-11-29 00:45:17)
Problem in Hold'em?

In game 26257, a hand just started where I have 4S and 2C as my hole cards. The game says I have 4 chips in the pot. I would never bet or call with this trash, so how did I get four chips in?

I've noticed other hands today in which the same sort of thing seems to have happened.


Michel van der Kemp    (2008-11-28 19:29:17)
Link

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26217&move=23 Humm 1 out of 649740? Unless you're playing with an extra deck up your sleeves ;)


Normajean Yates    (2008-11-29 04:04:33)
suggested improvement in game->wikichess

At present, for any game, only the current position can be searched in wikichess with one click. That too only if it is your move. So,

(a) In current position, if it is opponent's move you cannot one-click-wikichess-search.

Also, (b) therefore other people's games cannot be one-click-wikichess-searched.

(c) Further, But if you click on an earlier move, you can see the diagram of the earlier position, but you cannot one-click-wikichess-search that position.

So, suggested improvement: implement 'ocwcs' (one-click-wikichess-search) for a,b and c.


Xavier Pichelin    (2008-11-29 10:05:59)
Thank you !

Ok is bug fixed, no problème for restard! Best regards, Xavier.


Don Groves    (2008-11-30 00:17:27)
Hold'em problem?

In game 23306, my opponent called the big blind, then at my turn, I was only given the option to check. Is this correct?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-30 01:01:55)
Game 26306

Which move ? I can't see the problem... What move/bet did you try ? Wasn't your opponent all in ?


Don Groves    (2008-11-30 06:51:21)
All in...

It's possible he was all in, I don't remember now.

Do you have the data to be able to answer that question? If so, then it wouldn't take much more to make a useable HGN (Hold'em Game Notation ;) file.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-11-30 11:43:57)
Is Marshall attack ....

... good enough for a win on high level correspondence chess??? You can make your own mind with a look at 4 games of WCH_CANDIDATES_FINAL_000002 (# 23018, 23019, 23020, 23021) where Black played an unusual defence which could have fundamental importance of judgement this opening!


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-30 11:47:43)
Viewer

You can navigate into your game here - http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26316 , by clicking any move or the arrows, you should be able to find the problem again (if there's one :))


Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-11-30 15:55:08)
Caire - Utesch

Hi Thibault, it seems that actual positions are too complicated for you! ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-30 17:15:01)
Caire - Utesch

Well, after a few seconds on each board, it seems obvious that White [François] can't lose any of these games -which surprised me- so waiting for your manoeuvres to get the draw in the first 2 games.


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-12-01 08:15:20)
Marshall to win..

At cc no real chance for a black win but not easy for white to get much chance either. Although I dont know if many cc players want to go through the extended end game suffering Wolfgang seems to enjoy :)15...a5!? looks like a simpler less masochistic way to get the draw rather than Wolfgangs 15...Rae8 Still why Caire plays exactly the same variation of the Marshall in all 4 white games????? - against a higher rated opponent it makes no match sense at all. I suppose your not going to lose games on time playing the same variation:):)


Marc Lacrosse    (2008-12-01 08:45:01)
To Andrew

"(...)why Caire plays exactly the same variation of the Marshall in all 4 white games????? - against a higher rated opponent it makes no match sense at all. I suppose your not going to lose games on time playing the same variation:)"

Hi Andrew in my FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_3__000005 playing the exact same variation in my four black games was the key to win the match: all four were drawn whereas I managed to win 3.5/4 in my four white games (with four variations of one of these silly sideline sicilians you seem not to praise too much).

... what is the optimal strategy for these matches remains to be determined. The "all-draws-favors-higher-rating" rule is very interesting. I like it very much.

Marc


Don Groves    (2008-12-01 09:14:19)
Game 26306 problem

I just lost the last hand of this game but never saw the showdown! I had two pair going into the river and don't know what happened next except that I apparently lost.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-01 13:26:56)
Not exactly a bug

Hi Don, well actually the game ended after the last hand, that's why you can't see it anymore in "My games". You probably received the result by email, but the only way to see your last opponent's hand is to view the game :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26306

Three of a kind wins against two pair :)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-12-01 15:34:03)
cant argue...

..with your results Marc. However the current champion won FICGS with exactly the strategy I favour and exactly the opposite to your strategy. So thats powerful evidence in favour of the varying openings approach. Well done on winning your match - lets see how far you get with your strategy. As for these side line sicilians I never called them silly Marc your being over sensitive. I thought that it was easy to equalise against them and get a draw at cc. I still believe that and proved it in our game. However I do think your opponent (as black) was playing ambitiously to win! Now thats a different story .....


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-12-01 15:37:40)
cant argue...

..with your results Marc. However the current champion won FICGS with exactly the strategy I favour and exactly the opposite to your strategy. So thats powerful evidence in favour of the varying openings approach. Well done on winning your match - lets see how far you get with your strategy. As for these side line sicilians I never called them silly Marc your being over sensitive. I thought that it was easy to equalise against them and get a draw at cc. I still believe that and proved it in our game. However I do think your opponent (as black) was playing ambitiously to win! Now thats a different story .....


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-01 15:58:40)
Fixed

Thanks Don !

The bug is fixed and the game has been corrected... Hopefully it only happened in this game, I hope this will be the very last bug for Poker holdem :)


Garvin Gray    (2008-12-01 16:34:39)
Thibault creates problems for himself :)

famous last words hehe


Don Groves    (2008-12-01 21:56:14)
Reference

I don't remember who said it but:

A necessary condition for a program to have no bugs, is that the program is trivial ;-)


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-12-01 22:09:55)
15...a5!?

I dont know of any games but when I was following the game and before 15 ...Rae8 I started investigating this move and the more I looked at it the more I liked it - its a very annoying move for white at just the right moment. However Wolfgangs approach seemed to work I just would not have had the courage to enter those endgames


Garvin Gray    (2008-12-01 23:13:35)
as soon as someone says this ;)

I hope this will be the very last bug for Poker holdem :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-02 15:30:12)
Chess and doping

"According to the Russian totally non-free chess journalist Yuri Vasiliev (fortunately not the most reliable one whom we know for bringing up the ghost of Alexander Chernenko) Ilyumzhinov has already stated that Vasily Ivanchuk might get severely sanctioned for the doping test refusal after his game against Gata Kamsky." (Alexei Shirov, Riga)

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5047

A direct attack from Shirov to FIDE & Kirsan Ilyumzhinov on chess laws and -of course- the World Championship system.

Any opinion ?


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-12-02 16:21:04)
Drugs in chess

I have read views of players who claimed that there are prescription drugs (eg modafinil) that enhance concentration and thus performance in chess tournaments - significant improvement but not dramatic. However even small improvements could prove extremely useful at the top levels. Of course no one would ever admit it but I assume if there is some effectiveness then some top players will definitely be taking them. Drug testing at the higher levels is quite reasonable if chess is seeking olympic status.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-02 20:07:17)
Update : challenges & move send

Hello all,

It is now possible to challenge a player for a chess, Go or Poker holdem game ! You can choose the game by clicking the pictures near "Challenge a player" in My games, you can also change the 'challenges' option in Preferences. This is an important improvement as advanced poker & Go games are a faster way to improve ratings ie. in order to qualify for the FICGS poker holdem & Go championships. (advanced chess has its own rating, different from the correpondence chess rating)

Also a new improvement in the 'move send' process, it should be much faster now, please report any bug if you notice one.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-12-03 00:22:53)
More Doping

Lasker use to smoke cigars during a chess game and karpov used Yogurt, which contains the bacteria Lactobacillus acidophilus. New studies seem to indicate that that bacteria may enhance concentration.


Don Groves    (2008-12-04 04:18:21)
one more thing about this...

Possibly the problem is due to my opponent being all-in on the blind. Maybe this is the first time that has happened?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-04 14:07:30)
First time and...

Hi Don, yes this is probably the first time... 101 hands for the first round ! Congrats :)

Well, the problem is : There may be several hands played without any other choice for both players than to check when the blind is superior to the stack of one player... So we even wouldn't see the result of some hands if we don't play at all :/


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-04 23:21:31)
Prof T. de Vassal-Frankenstein retires:)

after, um, *liquidating* the experimented players??? ;) [or, perhaps just re-education camp therapy for them :)]


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-05 01:06:02)
FIDE Grand Prix & WCH

Magnus Carlsen withdraws from the FIDE Grand Prix 2008-2009

From Magnus Carlsen chess blog - http://blog.magnuschess.com

"We have just informed FIDE by e-mail that Magnus withdraws from the Grand Prix series due to the dramatic change to these regulations approved by the General Assembly. (...) Magnus is simply not motivated to continue the GP series with the dramatically changed conditions approved in Dresden, and the uncertainty related to any future changes that may be decided by FIDE."

Just another 'Grandmaster attack' to the Federation Internationale Des Echecs...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-05 14:28:28)
Invite your friends - tool

A new tool that may help to find many new players :)

You may now add your contacts as friends and invite them to join us at FICGS in a single click. See at the bottom of "My messages" page, above the connected players list.

Many features will be added soon to this tool !


Hannes Rada    (2008-12-06 10:08:36)
Only predefined email addresses ?

I can invite only frieds who have one of these freemail - email addresses ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-06 14:04:50)
Hotmail / Gmail / Yahoo... inviter

Hi Hannes, I just added the tool but of course in a few hours / days it will be possible to add anyone by entering his email address.

The point of this hotmail / gmail / yahoo / aol / indiantimes (and so on..) inviter is only to gain time by identifying all your friends in one click -and to spread the message easily- .. (all emails are stored in FICGS database only) this kind of tool is used by major social networks like MySpace, Hi5 and others...

Also it will be possible to gain Epoints by using it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-06 15:21:14)
Rybka 4, Fritz 12, Hiarcs 13 & future...

What about a small point on chess engines ?

A few months ago, it was quite predictable to me that Chessbase engines (well, Rybka 3 actually also is a Chessbase engine now) like Fritz, Shredder & Hiarcs were dedicated to catch Rybka in the computer chess rating lists.

The current CEGT 40/20 (AMD 4200+) rating list shows :

Rybka 3 x64 4CPU 3202
Rybka 2.3.2a x64 4CPU 3079
Deep Fritz 11 4CPU 3031
Zappa Mexico II x64 4CPU 3022
Shredder WM Edition Bonn 4CPU 3011
Naum 3.1 x64 4CPU 3011
Hiarcs 12 MP 4CPU 2968

In other words, Rybka 3 always has a quite large advance, but all other ones filled the major part of the gap with Rybka 2.3.2, including free chess engines. What future for chess engines now ? What kind of improvement can we expect from Rybka 4, Fritz 12, Shredder 12, Hiarcs 13 and co. ?

IMO one future version in theory may reach 3600 or more in such rating lists (which probably doesn't mean anything compared to the human rating list) but the interest of programmers may now decrease in this race where efforts/money can be compared to the grandmasters involvement to enter the elo top 100... What do you think ?


Andrew Stephenson    (2008-12-06 21:51:23)
Reaching a peak

My gut feeling is that rating improvements will tail off and we will not see any program crack 3400. I dont know the sales figures but looking for example at New In chess analysis by Carlsen he seems to use only Rybka and perhaps this program is becoming completely dominant among GM's. Perhaps the biggest impact will be hardware improvements allowing faster deeper analysis. This will mean fewer points missed and quicker conclusions as the time needed for the program to dig into the position shortens. You can still see examples of theoretical analysis in recent New in Chess Year books where misjudgements have been made because they needed to keep the program running a bit longer to see the evaluation flip but I think this will decrease ........


Pablo Schmid    (2008-12-07 14:05:01)
@Thibault

Je profite de ce post pour parler d'un "problème", sur une partie j'ai fait une promotion de pion en dame mais j'ai été "désagréablement" surpris que bien que c'était le coup que je voulais faire, le site ne m'a pas proposé la pièce promue. Ok, dans 95% des cas, faire dame est le meilleur coup mais parfois promouvoir en autre chose est le seul coup...Pourrais-tu remédier à ce "problème"?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-08 00:02:42)
Promotion

Bonjour Pablo, la solution se trouve dans le règlement et l'aide (mais effectivement, on peut avoir oublié entre temps), il suffit de respecter la notation PGN anglaise, par exemple en saisissant c8N ou c8=N, le pion en c8 se transformera en cavalier.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-08 19:33:05)
Levon Aronian's open letter

Now Levon Aronian comments the latest FIDE's decisions in an open letter :

"(...) With the GA's recent actions, it seems that there is a democratic deficit within FIDE. The GA did not consult the players currently taking part in the Grand Prix in their decision processes. Please keep in mind a very important point – these players, including myself, have a legally binding agreement with FIDE regarding the World Championship cycle and the Grand Prix. Therefore it is FIDE's duty to consult the other party of the contract – the participants.

Does this mean that the chess players have lesser rights than others? The GA appears to act with no concern for the players. The decision to suddenly change the World Championship cycle has damaging effects on the career plans of leading chess players. It is also reasonable to ask: why should we go through several tournaments over several years and fight for a place in a tournament that another player gets by losing a match? The GA's decisions remove the motivation for players like myself to take part in the World Championship cycle."

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5059


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-08 23:31:07)
Le règlement...

.. précise qu'il est essentiel de l'avoir lu entièrement (tout comme la loi, sinon on ne s'en sort jamais). Je tacherai de trouver une astuce sous forme de rappel au moment voulu pour que ce soit plus clair, désolé :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-10 00:13:19)
Email inviter

It is now possible to add friends by entering their emails (unlimited). It also sends an invitation to them by email.

See "My messages" (bottom -> email mode) for more details.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-10 19:39:04)
Rune Vik-Hansen's article on Chessbase

Chessbase just published a long article by the Norwegian philosopher Rune Vik-Hansen (graduated from the University of Tromsø in 1999 with a thesis on Heidegger's concept of Dasein) on consciousness and development of chess skills.

"Conscious memory", "Pattern recognition", "Pattern vs. Structure", "Exformation", "Chess Improvement", "Conceptual problems"...

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5055

What do you think about it ?


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-11 01:46:47)
my response...

Excellent, thought provoking article.

About subconscious thinking - I am in two minds: as an existentialist I am uncomfortable with the concept: yet there are memory/thought acts which bear no other explanation yet. The famous existentialist psychiatrist R.D.Laing who applied Sartre's work to psychiatry, also did not dwell on this issue, really..

I believe it is partly volition, partly innate - the innate part being proneness to 'subconscious', involuntary and in particular obsessive-compulsive thought patterns in OCD or in certain bipolar depressive states [I am bipolar depressive type 2], which responds to high-dose fluoxetine...

I am more comfortable with the part of the article I quote in the next paragraph, although there no reason we should have a specifically '*chess* pattern-recogniser organ' [1] - more likely we have an innate but more general 'chessy' pattern-recogniser-faculty ('organ') which takes in chess too. [our music-hearing faculty i.e. the ear can hear music, but not only music..] *This* is what the author Rune Vik-Hansen means, I am certain.

[from the article:] 'Playing on Noam Chomsky’s LAD, or Language Acquisition Device, we might say that chess players are guided and supported by a, perhaps slightly Kantian sounding, CAD; “Chess Acquisition Device, making is possible to display sound chess judgment which foundation is the subtle interplay between knowing what to keep and what to discard among triggered moves and in the final part of this article, we will have a closer look as how to increase and improve our chess judgment to form better decisions over the board.'

I will only add that subsequent investigations and deeper questioning of de Groot's subjects (experimented chessplayers? ;-) ) has shown that this faculty/device/organ is less important to chess ability than de Groot thought...



[1] I am calling this presumed faculty/device an 'organ', just like Noam Chomsky occasionally does [in his *linguistics* output, not in his *political* output! :)] - even if you choose to think of it as just a metaphor, it is a very hepful and suggestive metaphor.


Philip Roe    (2008-12-11 14:08:02)
Seems it can go either way..

I have played chess with a world champion poker player. He is an above-average chessplayer, but just a US master.


Philip Roe    (2008-12-11 15:32:43)
Interesting for sure..

Impressive, not so much.

He seems to make a big distinction between conscious and unconscious thought with no real justification. The fact that electrical activity can be detected prior to awareness does not tell us much. Daniel Dennett's "Consciousness Explained" is the most satisfactory account that I have read, and his "multiple drafts" theory is not unlike Runes, except that it allows for a more sophisticated interaction. Roughly, the conscious mind sets goals "I want to attack on the k-side" and the subconscious suggests means "How about Qh5" which the conscious rejects or selects for further review by setting a new goal " Lets see if Qh5 works". By ignoring this interplay Rune creates difficulties from which he cannot extricate himself. And Dennett also asks himself much tougher questions like "why is there consciousness at all? What evolutionary purpose could it serve?"

Interestingly, the subconscious seldom suggests really silly ideas, like Qh5 if there is a pawn on g6 and nothing else going on. Indeed, the filtering out of "non-candidates" can be quite impressive. I recall a moment from the BBC TV series The Master Game. Bill Hartston, an IM and a psychologist, was momentarily taken aback by an unexpected move made by his (weaker) opponent. "Why didn't I see that?" A few seconds later "Oh, that's why I didn't see it!" (the move involved an unsound combination) Hartston was about to coauthor a book on chess psychology with John Wason, and his remark was not entirely in jest.

Hartston was suggesting, by his remarks, that he could usually trust his unconscious not to show him anything irrelevant. That, to my mind, is one of the things that characterizes a strong player. The irrelevant moves just don't occur to them.

So then what about blunders? Well, the system is very fallible. It IS just made of meat, and the real surprise is that blunders do not occur more often. But the blunders made by strong players seem different from the blunders made by rabbits. They are usually relevant to something, but they have a hole in them. I dont see anything at all about Runes proposals that would eliminate blunders, except through the indirect route of making you a stronger player.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-12-12 11:40:15)
This one from Robin Hood

You should stay home and do some embroydery.

Robin Hood to Lady Marian


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-12 15:56:50)
Now Michael Adams...

Open Letter from Michael Adams

"I have regretfully withdrawn from the whole Grand Prix series. Some of the reasons I took this decision are the sudden switch of venues at very late notice, the replacement of players whose results thus far will affect the results of the whole Grand Prix both in terms of prize money and World Championship qualification and the fact that when I made my decision the status of some of the future GP events was still unclear.

The changes to the World Championship cycle also concern me as making major changes to a cycle in progress in such a sudden manner is very undesirable. There also seems to be no guarantee that further changes will not be made in a similar manner in the future. The changes are obviously immediately very negative for all Grand Prix participants but also in general it seems to me that the rewards for success in such tough events as the Grand Prix or the World Cup are now much too minimal."

Michael Adams
11th December 2008

Next ?


Don Groves    (2008-12-13 00:15:45)
My €0.02

I greatly appreciate the "exformation" concept -- but the person who coined the term got it backwards! In a human communication, "in-formation" should refer to inner (unstated) data and "ex-formation" (from the Greek prefix 'exo-') should refer to outer (stated) data. Now we are stuck forever with yet another mis-defined term.

The author didn't cover the importance of visualization, i.e., the ability to "see" how the board will look after a series of future moves. For me, this is the biggest stumbling block to improvement in OTB chess. This type of visualization seems to me to be a conscious function as opposed to subconscious.

In discussing blunders, the author failed to point out time pressure as a primary cause. Again, this is a problem created by conscious awareness.


Don Groves    (2008-12-13 10:02:15)
One by Emerson

“The age of a woman doesn't mean a thing. The best tunes are played on the oldest fiddles.” -- Ralph Waldo Emerson


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-13 16:30:45)
Wikipedia

I posted about this article here already. I saw it about 1 year ago, as far as I can remember. Well, many (chess) sites have an article on Wikipedia, that's not so surprising...


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-13 23:42:25)
FICGS poker holdem championship

The waiting list for the 1st FICGS poker holdem championship is open, as all ratings are not established, the rating limit has been changed to 1600.

Only the 9 highest rated players at the beginning of the tournament (february 1, 2009) will play it, consequently the best way to improve your rating before the deadline is probably to play POKER HOLDEM BULLET BRONZE games (you may use the challenge function in My games).

The current rules :

"FICGS world poker holdem championship is a 2 stages tournament. First stage is a single round-robin tournament, involving the 9 highest rated players who entered the waiting list. The winner of this tournament is the challenger for FICGS world champion title. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage. If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account. If current world champion defends his title, he will play a 5 games match (3 games with White, 2 games with Black) against his challenger.

All games are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. Rules for poker holdem are official rules. You may find more information about the FICGS betting structure in FICGS rules. Both players must play until one resign or game is adjudicated. One game is played in 3 winning rounds of 100 chips by player played in no limit mode. The minimal bet is always 1 chip and does not depend on the blind's value. The small blind's value is doubled after the 50th hand, then after the 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th hand (the big blind then is 64 chips) of each round."


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-15 03:37:27)
disagree... let them play skittles!

faster players can go elsewhere and play 1 0 lightning [1 minute/game, no fischerincrement] - engines allowed! O), or they can just lump it ;-)


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-15 03:40:42)
another suggestion

The slowest time controls on offer are too fast for some people.

Could there be a separate category - say 80 days/10 moves, 80 days fischer-increment after each 10-move block; up to 200 days accumulation-ceiling?


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2008-12-15 12:22:46)
More hydra ...

This time seriously, I have got an old version here:

http://tonythomas.mylivepage.com/file/240/5286

I have played with it using Arena but this old version seems not as strong as Toga.


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-15 23:55:15)
how about a fun thematic with foll pos

starting position:

RNBQKBNR/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbqkbnr. [this is offered on fics i.e. freechess.org as 'chess wild-5']

Note that all pawns of both sides are ready to promote, but because of self-blockade the only legal first moves are knight moves!

Engines fluctuate wildly on this because they are not designed for such positions!


Don Groves    (2008-12-16 01:21:06)
Ten day time control?

I can't find such a thing. Where is it?

You could prohibit more than one 7 day time control tournament at the same time. That would diminish the problem of too many games.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-12-16 11:17:57)
Foll pos

1.Nc6 Nf3 2.Nb4 Ne5 3.b8Q

Interesting... Do you agree to play with black (just one demonstration game in forum posts)? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-16 11:18:59)
Wild chess

Good idea, we may try such thematics soon :)

But I have to find a line leading to this position.....


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-16 15:39:59)
no no it is legally reachable..

This is much easier to reach than many much more impossible-looking positions.

If I gave it to one person who plays on chess.com and fics, he would give a proof-game in 10 minutes: [the 16-queens mate-in-4 problem i posted a few months back - see problems - he gave a proof game in 10 minutes. Then I asked him to construct a position with 18 Qs, he did it in 5 more minutes.]

But I have had severe political differences with him - I am not on talking terms with him now.

The trick is do not try retroanalysis. construct from the beginning!


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-16 20:17:42)
oh sorry, it is obviously impossible!

Since no captures have been made, the pawns could not have legally crossed each other. you cannot even have a white pawn on e5 and a black pawn on e4 if no captures have been made.

Since the position is unreachable, it must be considered a chess variant, not a 'thematic'.


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-17 03:53:02)
small improvement suggestion..

Don groves sent message with prev move; I was ready for reply to move so - i noticed the envelope icon but by that time I had made the move in a reflex action.. and the message disappeared! So I couldnt read it..

It would be nice if opponent's message stayed until opponent made next move.


Don Groves    (2008-12-17 06:48:13)
I agree

I think most of us have done the same, Normajean. Also, it seems to work that way in Hold'em already.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-17 14:18:17)
Adjudication

Hi Normajean,

The adjudication in case of a threefold repetition is justified (the game has to be ended).

About your game, it seems to me that such behaviour happens more often when one player asks the other player to resign :) .. Not a big deal, it will not change anything to the ratings right now and actually a few players do not even know how to resign... I've adjudicated it anyway.


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-17 18:05:42)
anyway, about the 16-queens mate-in-4:

Svante Carl von Erichsen showed it was possible to solve without computer help:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=problem_read&id=311

As for proof game, The foll is from my rec.games.chess.analysis post [it *was* .analysis I think - feeling too tired to search usenet]

" This one is mine:

1. 4k3/qqqqqqqq/8/8/8/8/QQQQQQQQ/4K3 w - - 0 109: [pos. 1]

White to play and mate in 4.

There are no duals - only one moves mates in 4. [there is no mate in 3 or less.]

Move given at end of post, with sample continuation.

These two were posed by me and solved by likesforests [see fics (www.freechess.org) or chess.com] in 20 minutes total!

2. Give a proof game for pos. 1, ie Show that the position in prob. 1 is legally reachable by giving a game that leads to the position.

3. Okay, so you can reach a position where you have 16 queens on board. Can you construct a game which reaches a position with 18 queens? If so, do so! [the last part carries 99% of the credit - it is to pre-empt the answers "yes" and "no".

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(note: these can be more conveniently viewed at chess.com in the thread "advantage of moving first - mate in 4 in symmetrical position" in the forum-category "more puzzles")

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Solution to 2: by likesforests

[Event ]
[Site ]
[Date ..]
[White likesforests]
[Black likesforests]
[Result 1-0]
1. a4 b5 2. a5 b4 3. a6 Bb7 4. axb7 Nc6 5. Na3 bxa3 6. b8=Q a2 7. Rb1 a1=Q 8. Qb3 Qa6 9. Qa2 Qb7 10. b4 a5 11. b5 a4 12. b6 Qa6 13. b7 a3 14. Qb3 a2 15. b8=Q a1=Q 16. Qh3 Q1a5 17. Qbb3 Ne5 18. Qbg3 c5 19. Rb3 c4 20. c3 cxb3 21. c4 b2 22. c5 b1=Q 23. c6 Qba2 24. c7 Qb8 25. Bb2 f6 26. Bc3 Kf7 27. c8=Q d5 28. Qc4 Nc6 29. Qch4 d4 30. d3 dxc3 31. d4 c2+ 32. Qd2 Ra7 33. f3 Q5a4 34. Kf2 c1=Q 35. d5 Qca3 36. d6 e5 37. e4 Nge7 38. d7 Kg8 39. d8=Q Qa8 40. Qb6 Nb4 41. Qbe3 Nbd5 42. exd5 e4 43. Ne2 f5 44. Qeh6 f4 45. Kg1 e3 46. Nd4 e2 47. d6 e1=Q 48. d7 Qea1 49. d8=Q Nd5 50. Nc2 Nc3 51. Ne3 fxe3 52. Qdg5 e2 53. Qdf4 e1=Q 54. Qfg4 Qeb1 55. f4 g6 56. Qc5 g5 57. f5 Bg7 58. Qgc4+ Rf7 59. f6 Bf8 60. Q5b4 g4 61. Qe5 g3 62. Qe1 Ne4 63. Qcb3 Nd2 64. Qhc4 Nf3+ 65. gxf3 g2 66. Be2 Bg7 67. Kf2 Bf8 68. Ke3 g1=Q+ 69. Kf4 Qgb6 70. Qcc3 Be7 71. Kg4 Qe6+ 72. Kg3 Rf8 73. fxe7 Rf7 74. e8=Q+ Rf8 75. Qeb5 Qf7 76. f4 Re8 77. f5 Re6 78. fxe6 Qff8 79. e7+ Qf7 80. Rf1 Qaf8 81. e8=Q Qa8 82. Qbb2 Q4a7 83. Qed2 Q3a6 84. Rf3 Q8b7 85. Qcc2 Qac4 86. Q4b3 Qad6+ 87. Kg2 Qdc7 88. Q3a2 Qce6 89. Qhe3 Qed7 90. Q8e4 Q8e7 91. Qb2b3 Qag7+ 92. Qg3 Qbb2 93. Bc4 Qbf6 94. Kf1 h5 95. Rf5 Qfxf5+ 96. Ke1 Rh6 97. Qxh6 Qfh7 98. Qhxh5 Qfxc4 99. Qee2 Qcf7 100. Qbb2 Kf8 101. Qgf2 Ke8 102. h4 Kf8 103. Qhg4 Qhxh4 104. Qgg2 Qhh7 105. Qbh5 Ke8 106. Qhh2 Qfe6 107. Qff3 Q6f6 108. Qff2 Qff7 1-0

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solution to 3: by likesforests

Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[White "likesforests"]
[Black "likesforests"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. a4 b5 2. a5 b4 3. a6 Bb7 4. axb7 Nc6 5. Na3 bxa3 6. b8=Q a2 7. Rb1 a1=Q 8. Qb3 Qa6 9. Qa2 Qb7 10. b4 a5 11. b5 a4 12. b6 Qa6 13. b7 a3 14. Qb3 a2 15. b8=Q a1=Q 16. Qh3 Q1a5 17. Qbb3 Ne5 18. Qbg3 c5 19. Rb3 c4 20. c3 cxb3 21. c4 b2 22. c5 b1=Q 23. c6 Qba2 24. c7 Qb8 25. Bb2 f6 26. Bc3 Kf7 27. c8=Q d5 28. Qc4 Nc6 29. Qch4 d4 30. d3 dxc3 31. d4 c2+ 32. Qd2 Ra7 33. f3 Q5a4 34. Kf2 c1=Q 35. d5 Qca3 36. d6 e5 37. e4 Nge7 38. d7 Kg8 39. d8=Q Qa8 40. Qb6 Nb4 41. Qbe3 Nbd5 42. exd5 e4 43. Ne2 f5 44. Qeh6 f4 45. Kg1 e3 46. Nd4 e2 47. d6 e1=Q 48. d7 Qea1 49. d8=Q Nd5 50. Nc2 Nc3 51. Ne3 fxe3 52. Qdg5 e2 53. Qdf4 e1=Q 54. Qfg4 Qeb1 55. f4 g6 56. Qc5 g5 57. f5 Bg7 58. Qgc4+ Rf7 59. f6 Bf8 60. Q5b4 g4 61. Qe5 g3 62. Qe1 Ne4 63. Qcb3 Nd2 64. Qhc4 Nf3+ 65. gxf3 g2 66. Be2 Bg7 67. Kf2 Bf8 68. Ke3 g1=Q+ 69. Kf4 Qgb6 70. Qcc3 Be7 71. Kg4 Qe6+ 72. Kg3 Rf8 73. fxe7 Rf7 74. e8=Q+ Rf8 75. Qeb5 Qf7 76. f4 Re8 77. f5 Re6 78. fxe6 Qff8 79. e7+ Qf7 80. Rf1 Qaf8 81. e8=Q Qa8 82. Qhc1 ( 82. Qbb2 Q4a7 83. Qed2 Q3a6 84. Rf3 Q8b7 85. Qcc2 Qac4 86. Q4b3 Qad6+ 87. Kg2 Qdc7 88. Q3a2 Qce6 89. Qhe3 Qed7 90. Q8e4 Q8e7 91. Qb2b3 Qag7+ 92. Qg3 Qbb2 93. Bc4 Qbf6 94. Kf1 h5 95. Rf5 Qfxf5+ 96. Ke1 Rh6 97. Qxh6 Qfh7 98. Qhxh5 Qfxc4 99. Qee2 Qcf7 100. Qbb2 Kf8 101. Qgf2 Ke8 102. h4 Kf8 103. Qhg4 Qhxh4 104. Qgg2 Qhh7 105. Qbh5 Ke8 106. Qhh2 Qfe6 107. Qff3 Q6f6 108. Qff2 Qff7 ) h5 83. Qhc8 h4+ 84. Kg4 h3 85. Bf3 Rh5 86. Bg2 hxg2 87. h3 Rh4+ 88. Kxh4 g1=Q 89. Rf6 Qga7 90. Qec6 Q8b8 91. Q8a6 Q8e7 92. Kg4 Kf8 93. h4 Qbe8 94. Rd6 Qg8+ 95. Kf3 Qbg6 96. h5 Q6g7 97. h6 Qad7 98. h7 Qa5 99. h8=Q Qdxd6 1-0

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solution to 1: 1. Qaxf7+!

Sample continuations:
1... Kd8 2. Qexe7+ Kc8 3. Qdxd7+ Kb8 4. Qdd8#
1... Qxf7 2. Qh8+ Qxh8 3. Qxh8+ Qf8 4. Qfxf8#

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Normajean Yates    (2008-12-17 18:09:10)
thanks to rodolfo and Robin Hood..

I really should do some embroydery.
(chess overdose has hit!)


Normajean Yates    (2008-12-18 17:53:56)
ok- but meanwhile this kludge may work..

ATTN Thibault,

Will see big surprise - hopefully a pleasant surprise - when I return in January.. meanwhile:

Earlier the message used to be emailed. Now, if the move-message part of the code hasnt been drastically changed, then:

Why not plug in the earlier message-emailed code-fragment; so that the message is *both* diplayed on the game page - as it is now; *and* emailed - as it was earlier?

As a temporary measure, while Thibault is busy with big things? :)

[already on unofficial leave, will go on official leave tomorrow so that I can extend leave into january, as some people have done..]


Ilmars Cirulis    (2008-12-21 16:02:54)
Emm....

Is it possible to invite friends from FICGS?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-22 20:48:12)
Ilmars & Ben

Hi Ilmars, yes it is possible (if you know their email)

Ben, did you use the inviter mode or email mode ? The Epoints are only added in the inviter mode (it would be too easy to enter an infinity of wrong emails in the other mode).


Ben Milton    (2008-12-23 10:18:20)
WOW

WOW, are you serious... It took me at least half an hour to copy paste the emails one by one. Would it be possible for me to get the Epoints because i really prefer not to give out passwords.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-23 16:24:15)
Inviter mode

I understand that but be sure I wouldn't take any risk on this, no passwords nor usernames are stored, and there is no way to catch it, particularly if you use the SSL (https://) mode. I can't even know your password at FICGS -which may be the same- that is encrypted with a complex function. Security has always been an important issue for me, I know that many sites using this kind of inviter (often related to MSN) then use passwords to send spam & virus.. that's not the case here.

Only the emails are stored to locate your friends, definitely it makes no sense to give Epoints in the 'email mode'.. anyone may enter bob.. , bob2.. , bob3.. and so on. Sorry about that.


Hannes Rada    (2008-12-24 19:55:24)
Congratulations

Wolfgang for reaching the first final ! However also congratulations for Francois who seems to be a little bit unlucky, because he managed to draw the competition but could not reach the final. @ Thibault "Two very different styles" Can you be a little bit more specific ? What do you think is the difference in those styles ? When does the final start ? Merry Christmas to all FICGS members !


Garvin Gray    (2008-12-25 15:00:58)
<br>


Not so much a problem, but a comment and could not find a better place for the comment.

Just had a look at how my first tournament is going and realised that the game score from each of the tournament game seems to me to be not quite as relevant as in chess.



Hannes Rada    (2008-12-25 21:12:07)
Game 1

looked very promising for White. Without deeper looking into the position I thought that white is going to win here. But than I found that black has perpetual check due to his pair of rooks. With only 1 rook on booth side, i think white should win. Wolfang, have you analysed a possible exchange of rooks at move no. 51 51. Rb7 instead of 51. a4 ? I did not analyse this position, but at first sight this seems to be a good chance for winning this game. Can you comment this ?


Gultekin Gumusyazici    (2008-12-28 17:25:10)
Chess rating system and Suat Atalik

Primitive Chess Game rules still applied through world competitions does not represent capacity and skills of human brain but a useless rating system that only orders whose photographic memory is higher to cheat others detail improvisions. I just want to present a past time memory about this hypo. Suat Atalik Number 1 rated Master Skill here in FICGS was opponent to me at a simulation of 25 person at Middle East university when he gets fame. I have started a very defensive game to make him bored crazy. But those boring behaviours caused him to lose his Queen and game next 3 moves. What is most interesting that, His Photografic memory aworns him after he made his moves and passes 3 more players after me. Then, While i congragulate myself with some fucking hand moves, he stood there where he froze and came back to my desk disobeying order. There he stood against me and made his pose as he just remembered something. While I was pretending My man there is no hope for just fuck off he hehhehehe, He asked Ahh sorry i made some misplacement, let go 3 move back and evaluate this situation again. Man, I am just human I am not machine or Computer Memory. I can not fight against bots. it is insane. So I let him score back knowing I am Winner not loser. Loser he is loser the system he tries to success on. Chess System applied to rate people with such communities only applies a fake counts depends on bots photoprahic memories. And It tries to neglect Humans sensitive intentions on variations. There exist no bot yet to evaluate humans preferences at a game with advanced chess rules. Do not you ask me what is those advanced chess rules. Just Imagine them as not bots can do. And Cheating is applied on determined systems. Cheating belongs to bots and botminds. Sincerely, Best Chess player nEverknown


Gultekin Gumusyazici    (2008-12-28 18:18:43)
Thibault de Vassal

Just Remember Kasparovs's complain about deepblue (bot-robot). He cried "This machine steals my photographic memory and plays as me." Chess game with common rulez has turned game determines winners whose memory realizes most likely picture of usual games. This is bot behaviour. Cheating is about neglecting improvements that is not common at pictures adopted as most likely winner moves. I always try unusual moves to surprize bots. At start I success but then bots leads game to other direction where most likely picture occurs by not doing move they fail. That is bot cheat. As Atalik has taken moves back.


Gultekin Gumusyazici    (2008-12-28 18:57:50)
Advanced chess game project

A. Primitives about common chess. 1-Although there is at least 50 more variation of chess game. They are not evaluated as common as standard.(Since they have no software with bot players that is strong as human at those variations, And Standart chess players have no tendency for them cause they re not up enough yet with that stupid standart chess game which is most suitable for software. Or might them be less intelligent as expected?) 2-Rules are rules even they are meaningless. 3-It reflects only bi-dimentional thinking. 4-Mostly depend on probability. (Remind you that probabiliy is a tool applied only known data- "not unknown") 5-No one complains much. (That is Conservation, And it is against the realization of Universe and science). 6-.............. To start with responsing against me please fill your facts about chess here. Then we can evaluate fact about chess. To develop advanced chess rules that mostly suits human to enlight his abilities not robots.


Gultekin Gumusyazici    (2008-12-30 17:18:11)
I am full concerned about it that

Chess is an Statistical game not mathematical. . As, However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. (Wind stone at Church hill) say. That is why bot players need statistical image databases.


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-12-30 20:19:18)
Chess engines & databases

Hello Bradley, it's all in the rules :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html

Everything's allowed (but in the NO ENGINES category). Using chess engines is recommended if you want to make deep analysis & reach the highest ratings. The only way to cheat (that is strictly forbidden) is to mirror 2 games, as explained in the rules.

Best wishes for the new year,
Thibault


Don Groves    (2009-01-01 05:21:01)
Small problem?

Salut, Thibault!

When I tried to enter the Hold'em World Championship, this was what I was presented with:

"You can't enter this tournament: Your chess rating : 1597, is out of the restrictions."

Should my chess rating matter, and, if it does, could we use my correct rating ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-01 21:52:17)
Rating limit

Salut Don, très bonne année à toi ;)

The POKER HOLDEM rating limit for the championship is 1600 (3 points more:)) because of the rules of the tournament. You shouldn't have many problems to reach it before february 1st (you may play a few rated bullet games also) :)


Bradley Small    (2009-01-03 05:29:24)
Dumber question than my last

The best I can find is that all moves are to be sent to the server. How specifically do I make a move? Do I simply reply to the email that I received telling me the previous move? And what is this GUI that I hear speak of, as none of them I see am I able to move any pieces?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-03 14:36:34)
GUI

Hi Bradley, this is not email chess, you have to login to play your moves. GUI = Graphical User Interface. Did you read the Help section ?

Feel free to tell me if you encounter any problem...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-03 19:02:44)
A world champion with no privilege ?!

... finally, looks like even the top GM are decided to kill the show in the FIDE WCH cycle :

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5129

>> Address by Mr Henrik Carlsen on behalf of GM Magnus Carlsen

"(...) In a future Magnus would like to see a world championship cycle with a minimum of privileges, or no privileges at all.

(...) What about the privileges of the reigning World Champion? This is a difficult question but we see strong arguments for reducing the privileges drastically or even abolishing them outright. In the past, with the right to a re-match, a reigning world champion had about 75% chance of retaining the title against an evenly strong opponent, leaving only 25% chance for all the remaining chess players in the world. It was ridiculous. Even without rematches, the 50% chance of today strongly favours the reigning champion. This may have made sense in the past when there were few serious contenders for the title, but today, with about 30 top players within 100 rating points of the top, this is no longer fair."


There are many good points but I'm not sure the game will win at the end. Any opinion ?!


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-04 06:45:28)
Rybka Chess Forum

What happened to it > my booked marked url takes me to some lady and a bunch of options, nothing to do with the forum, anyone else have this problem Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-04 13:49:57)
Rybka forum

Hi Wayne,

Maybe a temporarily problem, it works fine here :

http://rybkaforum.net


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-04 14:06:51)
FIDE or FIFA

Salut Don !

FIFA has not the biggest problems FIDE has :

1) There are only about a hundred of participants in the world cup before the preliminary tournaments already.

2) A dozen of these participants are stars and will remain the stars, just like clubs in each country, and it is unlikely to change (one reason is money of course but there are many others). Chess, like soccer or any sport, needs stars !

The context is not the same, I don't think one can compare the FIDE & FIFA business...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-04 14:14:38)
Rybka 4

Vasik Rajlich wrote a few comments on what can be expected from the Rybka engine/team in 2009 :

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=9199

Three engine releases are planned in 2009:

* Rybka 3+ - Rybka 3 playing strength, with bugfixes and cosmetic improvements, for Rybka 3 customers
* Pocket Rybka 3 - published by Convekta/ChessOK, packaged with their Pocket Champion interface, conforms to S. Tsukrov's Pocket-UCI protocol
* Rybka 4 - better search, better eval, new analysis features

"Our tournament goal for 2009 is to win a top freestyle event in 100% automated mode. (...)"

Very interesting, a new challenge for Eros :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-05 18:06:24)
Rybka 4 Fritz 12, Hiarcs 13 & future

It is my thought that Vas is running close to empty on improvements from Rybka 3 to Rybka 4. Rybka 3 was a huge, huge improvment.Other programmers are getting closer, specifically Naum. I sorta think Vas is looking a ways in the future when cluster comps are taking hold. Before Rybka 3 release there was a lot of excitement about Monte Carlo, but Rybka 3 Monte Carlo is not effective overall, It is just a novelity as far as my evaluation is concerned. Maybe too, like cluster MC will have a place. Correspondence chess players sh ould be delighted with Rybka three. A few minor improvements can be made, but wont improve ELO much, such as deep evaluation pv listing. Right no for CC player the current PV thing is crazy. Well nice topic Wayne


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-01-05 23:17:16)
First flaw is in the book

There are many published lines crushing perfect15.
I am not sure that sedat already corrected all the known ones for the coming perfect16.
Either you publish your ctg at the beginning of the games or you cannot affirm that you run a "modified" perfect15 without providing proofs that you are not playing yourself during the opening phase
So i fear it's a flawed challenge
Apart from this I suppose that any player among top-50 here is ready to play against a pure R3. If we were not ready to accept this, then this would mean that correspondence chess has come to its end.

Marc

i must admit that in case your opponent plays postman chess with his engines, times have become tougher for those who try to demonstrate something, and much tougher since rybka 3 appeared. But so far there are still players who keep achieving 70% against opponents who probably all use top engines ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-06 14:14:28)
How to beat Rybka 3 ?

Hi Ben, the main -enormous- advantage you have over Rybka 3 is of course that you know by advance what she may play at least in "some" cases. At correspondence chess, you have to create a trap according to the horizon's effet (don't remember if this is the correct term) or analysis depth. Well, it may represent several weeks of analysis though, to understand such engine's weaknesses, then to incitate her to follow you in a good line, knowing the book she uses.

Playing against Rybka 3 in a freestyle chess tournament will be even harder, only someone who perfectly knows the engine & has a very good understanding of the game may hope to have a good score (over 60%) against the engine IMO.

Finally a good centaur would have quite good chances to win this match in my opinion.


Ben Milton    (2009-01-06 15:24:33)
Thanks

Thank you very much, but the problem is even though i might know what the opponent might play, i still dont know what move to play so it leads to a trap, the best i can do is to go as deep as possible. Also i heard a few things about "IDeA" which is a tool centaurs use to go deeper but unfortunately Fritz 11 does not have that...Any how if youd be willing we can have the games and i am willing to give you all my e-points (12) if you win and if you dont i dont want any e-points in return. I jus want to see the results. How does it sound?


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-06 17:52:36)
Norms

Good grief! Thank you, i can just sit back for a couple of years before those 3 norms I expect to materialize. It is ok though, no problem, but i cannot agree with with the reasoning. The Tournament info, for example said norm requirement for, example FEM is a resutt of " ". so if a player has achieved the required points, why should that player wait until some ding dong, uninterested guy finish his games. I don't want to make waves Thibaut. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-06 18:57:29)
Norms

No problem :) Well, I just can't find another way while saving processor time...


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-06 19:32:00)
Norm

Okey Dokie, I understand that problem. I will ask both of my Sons (programmars) what they think about your problem, culling tournaments for Norm achievements before tourney is complete and thus occupy cpu time. The way you now have it implemented, the culling is simple, "tournament complete" look for norms. I am a retired EE and not a programmer, but I think your evaluation is not valid. you only have to do this culling, say once a month and besides it is not that much cpu time overall. Wayne


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-01-06 21:30:45)
Wayne ...

... We all had to wait according to these rules that are present since the very beginning of FICGS
I do not see why your impatience deserves changing what has been running for years.
If I see well you have one FEM norm recorded and wish to see the second one recorded as soon as possible
So far you played against a mean 2000 rated opponents
Most top accounts have mean opponent rating higher than 2200
This is probably the reason why you do not achieve more master norms at a faster pace
Do play in higher rated tournaments and you will soon earn as many norms as you wish if your playing strength is OK against stronger opponents
The best way to enter high-rated tournaments here is to go as often as possible in Ficgs-Wch qualifications tournaments
Marc


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-01-06 21:54:35)
Too much time lost lately I fear

I do not see anything interesting in these developments : there are better dedicated sites for this kind of things
Isn't it just a way to try expanding general traffic and thus advertising income?
If this is the aim, I do agree to some point: You have offered to us all a very nice tool for free and I will allways be very glad if you can earn something significant from your site's activity
But I fear that you are more and more busy in money-making trials than in core site improvements (chess and go).
This could well lead to a problem as it led one day or another many another site that followed the very same path...
If you do not care enough with improving the core of your site people will leave as soon as another one offers more appealing features partly built on what you were first to offer.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-06 22:18:38)
Social networks & money

Hi Marc, thanks for your comments.

It is true that I'm trying to make money with the site now, also to increase significantly the prizes offered in the future, but I did not sell my soul & the site will remain a chess server before everything else ! Money can do so much too, before it becomes too much ;)

About the other social networks, well... of course a new social network is created every week but most of them are dedicated to a particular function (couchsurfing, viadeo, reunion, facebook, myspace, hi5 & so on...) and are not exactly in concurrence. Let's see how this one will go in this sea, I have many features to add yet :)

About the core of the site, I already thought about removing the ads in the chess server... It may happen very soon if most players agree that it would be a significant improvement. The ads will remain in the general forums... Believe me, I'll do the necessary, that's why your comments & suggestions are always welcome here.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-06 23:20:05)
Norms

Thank you Marc, your input is well received. I was a 2300+ rated player on another CC site. I was unaware that I could apply for an appropriate transfer rating. My entry rating here was 1400 which accounts for a mean opponent rating of 2000. I have not cherry picked tournaments, far from it. I always have entered in the highest rated tournament allowed, always. I do not wish special treatment, wont accept it. I think my suggestion is an improvement in this terrific server. Thiabault has always solicited ideas. That was my sole intent, nothing more. I think it is a darn good one. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-06 23:45:25)
Tournament director

Wayne, I do not say that it is impossible to implement, but anyway I don't like to leave the server alone to administrate the tournaments or to calculate the rating list by itself... as a tournament director, I prefer to run some programs by myself, see & check what happens.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-07 00:48:40)
Site Core

Tribault, I think you will not find very many who complain about your adds,the nature of them and their position, etc. We are all very much interested in your income prospects here, I know I am. I can appreciate it maybe a little more than others, as I have mentioned both of my sons are programmers and their sole income come from internet and they are doing quite well.. Wayne


Don Groves    (2009-01-07 08:40:46)
Procedural question

Suppose another player and myself want to play Bullet Bronze Hold'em but a third person's name is already on the waiting list. How do we proceed?


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-08 04:36:46)
I find this update excellent!

I've seen that chess sites with social networking features allow people to interfere with chess players by intrusive comments/messages etc.

OTOH, I like Thibault's model - it:

1. keeps an excellent separation between the social networking part and the chess-play part.

2. provides much more privacy.

And why should Thibault not try to make money??? Do you think this is a charity or soup-kitchen or what? How many of you do your jobs [salaried/self-employment/business] for free???


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-08 04:48:31)
your challenge would have takers if...

if you could improve upon this:

Milton, Ben (AUS) [member # 4431]

ELO : 1597

Next page : History

Statistics for rated correspondence chess games :

Won : 0
Lost : 6
Draw : 0
Unfinished : 6

So, as thing stand, your challenge sounds trollish, if you will excuse my saying so. But I think someone has to.

I am in two minds whether to post this: I am violating the golden rule of usenet "don't feed the troll". :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-08 12:30:06)
Separation

That's the way I want to do it indeed. As Marc said, protecting the core of the chess server is essential, but there's no problem while creating some connections between these different parts of the site IMO.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-08 14:10:08)
Contact

Hello Wilhelm,

When you invite someone (by adding friends), you send one email to each contact of yours. If then this contact registers in the games server, you'll see him/her in the games server & the same in the social network (with much more features). The games server & the social network are completely separated so you may have to register in both & invite friends in both.


Hannes Rada    (2009-01-08 18:53:24)
Chess improvements

To be honest I would more prefer to see an improvement of the chess features here. I.e. Conditions moves, better tables, better layout modern forum (phpbb) What I do not understand: How can Thibault earn money with this "social stuff" ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-08 19:17:53)
Chess improvements

Hi Hannes,

What do you mean better tables ? About the other improvements, this may be a choice in some cases. As you may have seen, there are forums with more options (ie. bbcode) inside FICGS, but I'm not sure this forum should follow the same way. The FICGS chess server is somewhere between IECG & the numerous over-featured servers, maybe it should keep its 'sober/serious' side, what do you think ?

I'm still not a fan of conditional moves, but I'm open to other improvements.

Finally, about the "dark side of FICGS", any improvement may bring new players :)


Hannes Rada    (2009-01-08 19:55:05)
Tables

Hi Thibault, Just a few ideas. I mean 'spreadsheet-like' tables with cells where you can not only see the points, but also the results (1,0, 1/2) between all players. Furthermore on the tournament page I would prefer to see the notation first and then diagram of the actual position. I think this is more logical to see first who is playing and what has been played (the moves) and then the actual position. I think it is also an idea to show only the running games on the (main) tournament pages and to show the finished games for a specific tournament on a second page per tournament. Chess fonts (?) on the ICCF Server looks a little bit nicer then those here. I have been playing now my first tournament on the ICCF server where (secret) conditionals are allowed (chessfriend had this feature already many years ago). And I am a big fan of it. Conditionals can help to speed up to game significantly. Some openings like the Grunfeld, the French, and The Sveshnikov really cry for conditionals :-) I don't see any disadvantes regarding the introductions of conditionals (maybe except for the programmer :-). Why are you against them ? But finally I have to say that I really appreciate playing here. I can imagine how tough and how much work it is to maintain such a server as a 'One man show'. I really appreciate your efforts.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-08 21:42:49)
Halasz gambit

A new chess thematic tournament !

The very hard Halasz gambit : 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.f4

What do you think ? Ilmars ? ;)


Don Groves    (2009-01-09 04:06:59)
Images in messages

Salut, Thibault! What about embedding images in a private message to another player, or in a forum post. Is this doable without too extra work for you?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-09 08:47:35)
Images in messages

Salut Don, no this is not an extra work, I can do this easily but I chose not to allow it to avoid kind of spam or authoring problems. But I could add it (just like the photo near the name). Are many of you really interested in this ? I'm not sure :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-10 18:06:40)
Time span of ratings

Actually ratings (correspondence chess ones) are calculated based upon the previous ratings and games played the last 2 months only. In your example it may take 8 or 16 months "only" for the lowest rated to catch the other player in a tournament. Moreover, ratings at FICGS move faster than in other organizations in order to find the good category quickly. So I think that's not a real problem here.

As an example, it took not so long (one year) for Wayne to reach 2113 from 1400 ! That's quite short in correspondence chess.

More details about rating calculation :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess


Tom Smith    (2009-01-11 12:16:27)
Engines allowed?!

Hi I have another issue with the rules and conditions here, I came across the following: Computer assistance is authorized, as any other kind of help but in the "no-engines" tournaments. This in itself is confusing, am I to believe that players are allowed to use engines to play for them in the "no engines" tournament?? Unless it is a mistake and means engines are allowed but NOT in the no engines section. If this is true then do most people use enignes here? I really do not want to play on a site where engines use is considered ok!I am far too weak to play engines :) Would somebody please clarify this section of the rules for me please. Thank you Tom


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-11 14:11:17)
Time controls & increments

Hello Tom, the 40 days is your total time for the game, the increment (here 40 days / 10 moves) is added to your total time every X (here 10) moves. Consequently you have a clock for the game (limited to 100 days) and a clock for each move (limited to 60 days). Does it help ?


Joseph Thomas    (2009-01-11 22:35:06)
Social Networks and Money

Thibault, while I probably won't use a social networking site on here, I may always change my mind. I don't use www.myspace.com or www.facebook.com either, and since I am 25 I should fit into that demographic. I really enjoy the site though. And I the advertisements nor the social networking they way you have it now is not intrusive for me. Great site!


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-12 03:52:03)
The simplicity of this site is its USP!

The simplicity of this site is one of its USPs [USP ='Unique Selling Point' (advertisement-agency jargon)]

If and when making big changes, Thibault has been careful that it hasnt affected this unique attractiveness of the site.

I hope - (and expect! I like Thibault's aesthetic sense) - that this site will remain unique in the simplicity of its core 'look'.

Otherwise, it will become 'just another chess site [yawn]' - but I am sure Thibault won't let that happen :)


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-12 03:57:26)
to make it very clear.. but=except

Thibault is using very literary english here. When he says 'but', he means it in the sense of 'except'. [Very literary, because he *never* says 'except' ;)]

I think that the 'but' confused Tom Smith. Just remember that one meaning of 'but' is 'except', and all will be clear :)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-01-12 14:02:15)
Gambits ...

Gambits are a form of gambling. A few religions forbid gambling, so playing this thematic tournament would be a sin.


Tom Smith    (2009-01-12 18:55:18)
Re:

Thank you both for your replies.I understand "but" was meant to mean except. This brings me back to my original concern, that being engines are actually allowed, IE cheating is allowed, this has made me very reluctant to begin playing on this site, knowing that anyone is allowed to openly cheat! That seems quite crazy to me, and is the reason that I probably wont start any games, I hope that the site admins or owners see this thread as I am sure that a lot of people will be put off by this bizarre rule. Thank you again for your replies


Tom Smith    (2009-01-12 21:40:28)
Re: Marc

By allowing engine use, the site is allowing players to have the computer engine make certain moves for them or indeed play an entire game for them, I can play fritz or any engine for the same effect, I wish to play against humans who play moves themselves rather than get an engine to make moves for them, how is that not cheating? If you dont see that as cheating then I dont know what to say, I think this is a fair complaint and does not quite deserve being told "go away if you dont like it", I am simply suprised a site allows it thats all.


Don Groves    (2009-01-12 22:50:39)
Cheating?

Hello, Tom -- It seems to me that "cheating" is defined as doing something that is against the rules of the game. Here, the rules specify that engines may be used, so using them is not cheating.

I understand your concern about players letting an engine play their games for them, but I don't think many here do that. I think the players here generally use engines to do deep analysis of moves they themselves have selected, not to select all the moves via the engine. Otherwise, there is no learning and the player is only harming him- or herself. This is only my opinion, of course.

Another point to consider: all top players in tournaments have advisers that help them prepare lines and analyze games during adjournments. And they all use engines as part of this process. Do you consider this practice to be cheating?


Scott Nichols    (2009-01-13 03:58:19)
Different sites:

Dear Tom, There is a site called Playchess.com that only allows engine play in the engine room. All other areas are closly monitored and players who try to use engine assistance are seriously repremanded, (loss of ratings and on up). It is an excellent site. This site allows engine use in correspondence chess. Alot of players love the system. And it seems also, that even when players have basically the same equipment, the better player usually wins anyway. As Thibault so eloquently put it, they look beyond the "horizon" of computers to make their decisions. I play on both sites and follow both sites rules. Playchess=serious chess. FICGS=fun and theoretical chess and more.


Gino Figlio    (2009-01-14 01:24:15)
the "cheating" agenda

This has nothing to do with Mr. Smith but I know some people that like to push the idea that use of chess engines is "cheating" because they are also involved in the business of selling services that detect "cheaters". I have heard from this first hand and was even offered the "service" when I was involved in ICCF management. They want to sell their product to webmasters and therefore need to create the right atmosphere in the cc community to serve their business interest. It's a good idea to ask for a disclaimer before discussing this issue with new visitors.


Philip Roe    (2009-01-14 05:00:51)
Tom, if you are still with us..

Not everyone here uses engines, even in events where it would be allowed. As proof, some of us occasionally play moves that would disgrace a cell phone (and have long ago learned not to aspire to high honours).

However, the site has many nice features, and the absence of rules, "bizarre" as it may seem at first, does mean that whatever is going on is not actually cheating.


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-14 14:57:51)
goood sensible answer...

interesting, llmar's opinion that QGA is 1/2-1/2. So, QGA is maybe better than QGD ... interesting opinion. [seriously. I am not rejecting it.] QGA thematic sometime is needed.


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-14 15:00:33)
llmars' version of Tal's quote:

considering that with time llmars's opinion of gambits seems to be getting less unfavourable, it would be:

"The older I get, the less I value pawns." ;)


Tom Smith    (2009-01-14 18:49:58)
Reply

Thank you all for your comments. I will reiterate again that I am not pointing the finger at anyone, I just asked about this as I do not wish to play against people who just let a computer play their moves, that is all. I do not think that all people who use engines are cheaters, and I apologize to all those who do not blindly let a computer play their games for them. I am astonished now at normajeans hostility, I dont believe I have been offensive to anyone, if I have then it is unintentional. To Normajean, I can only assume that your hostility is due to someone mentioning about selling some software, I can only say, not only have I not heard of any software of this type, but I am in no way involved at any such goings on. I came on the site to join up for some chess and had one issue I wanted to ask about before I started playing, I am beginning to regret this as I did not expect quite such a response! I can maybe understand some suspicion at a new person asking a question of this nature, and understand that some may not like me asking, so again I am sorry for the offense I have caused those players who play a fair game. "Care to confess to the libel under oath in the U.K. and get a taste of the receiving end of libel law?" This comment is ridiculously over the top and again that particular post was unecessarily hostile imo, if you read my posts to this point normajean and still dont see what I am trying to find out about then I shant try any further to answer you as you and some others have obviously found me guilty of a plot of some form against you. I thank the people who answered me honestly and calmly for their comments and I shall try the site out as I said to give it a fair shot.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-14 19:59:00)
New line + Cheating

Heheh, Ilmars has been trapped by himself :)

You must use <br > html tag (see at the top of the page) to begin a new line.

As it seems not to be visible enough, I may change it in a while, finally...


BTW, this discussion on cheating or not cheating will have no end, obviously. This thread is even discussed in other forums...

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=106642


Tom Smith    (2009-01-15 07:10:20)
wow...

normajean you are one crazy lady. Thibault, I have chosen the wrong site I feel, would you please cancel my membership, I entered a standard 40 day tournament, would you please remove from that too as I wouldnt want to hold that up. Thank you


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-15 07:11:28)
how to get < br > in?

When discussing changes, sometimes one wants '< br >' [without the spaces] - without it being converted to linebreak.

Thibault did that in one post - but how ?

Webmaster hacking it through? :)

Or is there a way for ordinary members also to display '< br >' ?
[without the spaces and the quotation marks :)] ?


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-15 07:22:02)
even thibault can't....

i see that thibault typed <br > [with a space]

An escape char/seq implementation would be more elegant I think... because in time you may have a few more markups - then you *will* need escape character/sequence.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-15 12:25:46)
Tom

No problem, Tom.

Everyone cannot (shouldn't btw) share the same philosophy :)

See you in another place.


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-16 05:49:31)
thanks thib & wayne - I thought so 2...

..except at standard time controls. At standard I thought top GMs would be better even now :(

IMO, two of the reasons why correspondence is still an exception:

1. engines still understand positional aspects in a clumsy way (mainly through eval function even now I think..)[a]

2. top engines are commercial - so they have to 'show off' to compete in the market - 'showing off time' at corrspondence is too long for the software market.. so top engines are tuned towards faster play...


[a] I wish that after copyright etc. expires, commercial chess engine vendors must be legally forced to make public their algorithms.

(Ideally, I wish - no copyright, only moral right of actual authors! - but that needs a diiferent economic system than capitalism)


Glenn Giffen    (2009-01-17 13:00:19)
Yup!

All my games have vanished as well. Is there some problem with the server?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-17 14:25:37)
Problem fixed

Hello all... Sorry about this 12 hours problem :/

There was a minor problem with MySql during the night, when I rebooted the server, it seems that the games table crashed and I just did not notice it .. my entire fault.

The table has been repaired and 12 hours have been added to players expected to move.

Sorry again.


Glenn Giffen    (2009-01-18 00:47:47)
That's OK

I'm just glad the games reappeared. Thanks for fixing the problem.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-18 15:29:29)
Garvin

Strange bug... what browser do you use ?! there may be a special setting for sessions management.

About the example above, you may also follow these links :

http://www.ficgs.com/index.php?page=viewer&game=26199&move=232
http://www.ficgs.com/index.php?page=viewer&game=26199&move=233


Sophie Leclerc    (2009-01-19 05:19:52)
Traxler is lost ?

Come on, If this gambit can give someone an attack then be attack, sacrifice your meterial for a strong and trown the rest at the ennemy king. That is the traxler way of doing things... Halloween gambit and queen gambit Are both need, They should be accepted, As halloween gambit refused is a dull game.


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-19 15:30:21)
:) [to rodolfo] - and, to sophie: re OTB

to rodolfo:

:)


to Sophie:
[and a general point to all wikichess contributers]:

I think that it will be a bit less confusing if in your wikichess entries, you include the phrase '(at OTB chess)' or something like that.

The reason is that this is (for chess) a site where engine-use and *slow* correspondence-chess is the default.

Contemporary computer programs do not get 'tense' or 'fooled' by an attack -- they just calculate the static evaluation functions for positions on the game tree [using hash tables, alphabeta, iterative deepening, nullmove, quiessence search, endgame recognition heuristics, etc etc for efficiency :) positions]

computer programs *can* be fooled [otherwise every game here would have the same result by now], but not by the same techniques as those by which humans can be... :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2009-01-19 19:28:30)
Some scientific quote

In last days I started to like them. I'm sorry. :D

"The field is so littered with the stinking carcasses of unreplicated candidate gene associations that it's a reasonable default to simply assume that any small, unreplicated study is false." (Genetic Future from ScienceBlogs.com)


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-20 07:19:07)
nicola [nicola lupinacci ansered it]

nicola lupinacci posted in the international chat in june last year that:

In bigchess, P=1, N=3, B=5, R=8, Q=11.

One of the points is, bigchess is a bigger board, so compared to chess, long-range pieces (B, N, Q)are much more powerful than short-range ones - specially, B is significantly more powerful than N.

I followed nicola's implicit advice, and as you can check, I've won all 6 of my games in one of the two only bigchess tournaments I am playing: FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__000025.

And I have won all 4 of my completed games in the other one. [ FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__000030: all games are in early stages by bigchess standards ]
my two incomplete bigchess games are keenly contested.

In one of them, opp has exchanged two Bs for my two Ns and 2-Pawns: so, that game puts Nicola's idea to test.

Waiting for the top bigchess players to comment on Sophie's and my posts...

Nicola was so good at chess and bigchess, but she stopped playing.


I have pasted her reason (her profile) below: (so why did she stop playing bigchess is what I do not understand. I mean no one has bigchess engine!)


Lupinacci, Nicola (ITA) [member # 1307]

Nicola Lupinacci

I am a chess amateur, playing only for fun! I do not have any chess engine. Good game to everyone!


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-20 20:07:44)
Big chess pieces values

It has been discussed in this forum also :

David Grosdemange suggested :

"pawn : 1 knight : 2,5 bishop : 4 rook : 6 queen : 11"

I quite agree with this.


Nick Burrows    (2014-09-03 19:56:41)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Not disapointedis an understatement. I feel cheated and let down by you.


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-20 22:40:29)
Grosdemange's values look more accurate

yes these look more accurate : eg Q v R should be much more than R v B. etc.

So "P=1, N=2.5, B=4, R=6, Q=11" is - I agree - better than nicola's scale.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-21 10:58:22)
4 members

Heheh ! Matteo, Tano-Urayoán & Bob (but who's Bob ? :)) are in !


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-21 23:52:15)
9 members

;)


Sebastian Boehme    (2009-01-24 00:34:23)
It is not everything like it seems

Eros plays way more games, than he plays on this site... Anyway nice rating that is for sure Congrats il grande Eros Riccio! ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-24 14:51:22)
Chess computers & nodes by seconds

What about a thread on chess dedicated computers... dual-core, quad-core or even 10 years old tired processor ?

It could be interesting to gather some informations here on hardware evolution by comparing the speed of chess engines [nodes by second], specifying the operating system & the program that runs the engines (Arena, Chessbase, Fritz 11 interface & so on...)


Don Groves    (2009-01-24 22:57:28)
Chess computers

I am interested in such a thread.

For the numbers to be useful we need to establish a benchmark for comparison, for example, a single core processor at 1.0 GHz. Has this already been done in the computer chess community (of which I am only a very recent member and know very little)?


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-01-25 07:35:22)
chess computers

take a look here, maybe this is interesting.http://www.jens.tauchclub-krems.at/diverses/Schach/fritz9_benchmarks.html


Wilhelm Schuett    (2009-01-25 13:57:48)
12 members

12 members now


Wilhelm Schuett    (2009-01-26 22:35:30)
Using this specific board

If I get a private message from another member outside of the game : How would I see it?


Don Groves    (2009-01-27 07:47:58)
Hello, Wilhelm

You will get an email.


Josef Riha    (2009-01-28 09:50:08)
Hello Garvin,

I agree with your feeling. Seems that I have the same problem.
And on the other hand it looks that chess tournaments need more time to start.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2009-01-28 18:53:31)
In a someway related topic

In talkchess.com there has been a debate over the advances in the past 10 years, which part had causes greater improvement in computer chess, software or hardware interesting reading altough a bit long. http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25215


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-28 21:13:52)
re - NPS

Well in the mid-90s some of the fairly good programs were open-source : crafty one of the the strongest open-source programs, and its author Bob Hyatt used to dicuss chess-programming related issues...

Even with closed-sourse proprietory programs, however, the *empirical* fact of NPS being not so relevant can be established statistically by just seeing the results of inter-engine tournaments..

[of couse NPS is not totally relevant! a 1 NPS engine is likely to be quite bad in comparison with a 10000 NPS engine on the same hardware! :) And a 0-NPS engine can only generate moves by using a random number generator ;) [not-necessarily uniformly distributed] - or by tablebase lookup ... but is the present position counted as a node? If yes, then 0 NPS can do nothing at all, not even check legality of move! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-28 21:32:48)
NPS, Crafty

True, true... and the discussion at Talkchess is very interesting too. BTW I did not check the code & results of Crafty for a while but I'm curious to know if there has been significant improvements since the start of the Rybka era.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-29 12:33:51)
FICGS

Hi Francisco, these important points need to be discussed for sure.

1) As it has been said here on another point, I shouldn't try to protect players from themselves, but I've to protect players from other players (speaking of the quality of the games, general forfeits & so on - or the posts of Garvin & Josef in this thread). You can play poker all over the internet, it's up to you only. I'm not sure I should feel responsible of players addictions, the whole world (commercial issues) is about addictions that exist anyway. In my experience, I was not really addicted to poker as a gambling game, I never played it in casinos but I like competition and that's the way I introduced poker here, quite different from the casino games (by the way a few "pro" poker players here do not even understand it).

2) "Play poker heads-up one to one, is bored, the winner is not always the best", so chess, so Go... of course. I may be wrong on the poker games format (3 winning rounds / 100 chips), we'll see it in a few months as the rating list will evolve.

3) "Poker insults chess", I don't agree with this but I understand & respect this opinion (that could probably be "Poker insults" in some cases). Only 1 player cancelled his membership because of this at the moment. I'm sorry about this, I can't satisfy everyone when making updates but be sure I'm working for FICGS firstly as a chess place and thanks to poker (even with no money), we welcome more players & the prizes (for chess tournaments) will increase a lot in the next months. That's quite good for the site in my opinion. Anyway if I realize I'm wrong, no doubt I'll change it.

Anyway, that's an interesting & important discussion and I'll listen to all your points.


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-29 14:59:36)
re: rybka era v open-source

I've not been keeping in touch with post-2002 developments in chess programming [that is, the literature - I have no energy to try to reverse-engineer closed code, and my skills in that are 15-years out-of-date and out of touch :(]

- Also, I think there are fewer and fewer of comparatively strong enough open-source engines now :(

Which is the strongest *open-souce* engine now, and how does it compare to even rybkas of the 3.1.x generation? I do not know [frankly, since 2002 I am too busy with literature and political activity; even though it looks like I am playing chess all the time ;)]

But I'd be interested in knowing and grateful to everyone who posts info this and related questions...

The questions are of the form of comparative strengths of stongest post-2005 open-source engines versus rybka; and *published* new ideas in chess programming which have been implemented and have been shown to improve engine strength.


Normajean Yates    (2009-02-01 09:55:59)
poker is NOT interfering with chess..

Players that are *choosing* poker over chess (as posted by some as reason for delay on moving, delay in tournaments starting...) are either not *that* interested in chess anyway, OR it is a transient phenomenon - they are trying out poker as a novelty.

We are humans, not dedicated chess-playing machines.

If someone takes longer to move because of poker or anything else (whether the 'anything else' is related to this site or not, whether it is related to the internet or not); it gives me either more time to analyse, or effectively more vacation time, so I see no reason to complain.

If poker generates revenue for ficgs, it will help ficgs survive and so it will help ficgs chess (and go) survive.

The point is, whatever choices we make have to be made taking into account that we are embedded in a capitalist economy. We are not living in some anarchist utopia.




Normajean Yates    (2009-02-01 10:15:31)
thanks Mr R.-Román, and I am *Ms* Yates.

Mr Russi-Román, I am Ms Yates, not Mr Yates.

I thank Mr Russi-Román for the valuable info and link: (and others too) : I'll update myself whenever I have free time [not only from chess play, but from higher-priority things...]

So, what is the state of the art in noticing drawish nodes (blockade, repitition etc) during search? [remember: 'false positives' are as bad as 'false negatives'] Offhand here is one area where significantly good new heuristics would be much more important than hardware..

Another example: at present, has any program - however highly parallel - delivered mate from a suite of mate-in-60+ troitski positions (NN v P) *without* using tablebases? (ignore the 50-move rule for this question. Anyway this site doesnt have the 50-move rule...) I dont know the answer...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-01 15:14:58)
The fact is...

... ratings should be in accordance (as much as possible) with ELO rating system : if player A is rated 1800 and player B is rated 2000, player B should win about 3 games out of 4. So the question isn't first to make ratings "accurate" (by the number of games), but to be "significant" .. eg. in a 1 round games system (30 hands max.), all players would be rated from 1600 to 1700, this has absolutely no interest.

Don's statistics are interesting and actually (imo) justify 3/5, it is probably possible to estimate the best average number of hands [btw the no-limit is not the best way, but more fun] but in my experience 2/3 is not enough. The longest game reached 1000 moves already (maybe about 400 hands), some games lasted about 35 moves only (of course the chancy factor is bigger there), it is hard to "calculate" anything one thing is sure, the longer the games, the more significant are ratings... then of course, the more games, the more accurate are ratings.


Don Groves    (2009-02-02 00:11:53)
Hardware vs. software in chess

It seems to me that what hardware advances do is allow software algorithms to run more efficiently, which then allows deeper analysis in the same amount of time compared to older hardware.

If we want to know the best chess software, we must play many engine vs. engine games on identical hardware. Presumably then, the winner will also be better on more advanced hardware.

Another thing to consider is that the hardware need not be a general purpose computer, but may be specifically designed to run a certain algorithm. In this case, the engine using that algorithm would have a large advantage in an engine vs. engine contest on that hardware.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-02 21:54:00)
Poker championship : New rules, deadline

Finally, a 2 stages single round-robin tournament (no ratings limit, everyone can play) seems a better choice for the poker holdem championship !

The deadline is now february 8, 2009... Join the fun !

Here are the new rules :

"FICGS world poker holdem championship is a 2 stages single round-robin tournament. All games are played in 30 days + 1 day / move.

Round-robin tournaments are groups of at least 7 players. The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage. If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account. Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. Players may be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player.

Rules for poker holdem are official rules. You may find more information about the FICGS betting structure here. Both players must play until one resign or game is adjudicated. One game is played in 3 winning rounds of 100 chips by player played in no limit mode. The minimal bet is always 1 chip and does not depend on the blind's value. The small blind's value is doubled after the 50th hand, then after the 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th hand (the big blind then is 64 chips) of each round."


Don Groves    (2009-02-03 01:20:18)
Top nine only?

Is this really fair for the first Hold'em WCH? There are some players who asked and received a higher rating than the rest of us but who have yet to play a game here. How do those of us who have played Hold'em here know if those few really deserve their higher rating? How do you know?


Normajean Yates    (2009-02-04 01:45:47)
re Wayne's point:

Well if the program is not written to use parallelism [or written badly so that it spends too much time synchronising outputs of various cpus] then it wouldnt do very well on octal compared to single-core and might do worse :)

Chess programs unless really horribly written should not have this problem: typically different cpus will analyse different branched, and hash is sliced but from time to time 'pooled' - ie the hash slices are updated from other hash slices...

Some very old RAMs would have problems with multiple cpus trying to access them: but that would be early 1980s at most: just before the invention of the personal computer :)


Don Groves    (2009-02-04 02:10:20)
Normajean's point

This is sorta what I was getting at above -- that hardware advances (other than faster clocking) only help if the chess software is written to make good use of them. Otherwise, as Normajean points out, the software may actually perform worse.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-04 13:47:29)
Roadrunner vs. Jaguar

I found these informations on Roadrunner but I must admit I'm unable to compare it with a typical 2GHz processor, any idea on this ?

System Name Roadrunner
Site DOE/NNSA/LANL
System Family IBM Cluster
System Model BladeCenter QS22 Cluster
Computer BladeCenter QS22/LS21 Cluster, PowerXCell 8i 3.2 Ghz / Opteron DC 1.8 GHz , Voltaire Infiniband
Installation Year 2008
Operating System Linux Interconnect Infiniband
Processor PowerXCell 8i 3200 MHz (12.8 GFlops)


http://top500.org/


Normajean Yates    (2009-02-05 04:19:20)
Don & I - same pt fr diff directions:)

Don - no use if hardware doesnt 'fit' software [engineer's way of putting it ;)]

me - no use if software doesnt 'fit' hardware [programmer's way of putting it ;)]

(prefix 'retired' to 'engineeer' & 'programmer' )

We are saying the same thing!

Another point: debugging parallel programs is much more tricky than debugging - uh - non-'parallel' programs

I have no engineering experience [1] but I'd venture to guess that a 'parallel' electronic machine of any kind [not necessarily a computer] which has to synchronise signals from various sources, and do it fast, would be much more of a design challenge than a non-'parallel' one...

[1] (well I did assemble my first personal-computer - a BBC[2] acorn - by cannibalising parts from discarded damaged BBC acorns and some borrowed parts - with a scope and a soldering iron - does that count? But that was back in 1983-84... and I had help....)

[2] yes, BBC = beeb (British Broadcasting Corporation) - they *used* to do meaningful things - but that was long ago....


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-05 14:03:39)
Poker bug today : Cards repeating...

Hello all... There was a quite strange problem with a PHP file for a few hours (or a bug but I can't see it yet - particularly as I did not change anything to the code), cards may have been always the same in some games while going backwards in the game looked strange too. I may have solved the problem with a backup but now the cards may have changed (actually corrected) in these games.

I check... if everything's ok now. Sorry for the inconvenience :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-05 16:53:23)
The "invisible" bug

Well, after 4 hours of work I found what was finally a human error, mine of course... One of the hardest situation I've had to understand :/

The story for coders, kind of butterfly effect : Weeks, maybe months ago, for some reason I suppose I've deleted an essential line in a file that created an invisible "bug" (no consequences) in all games but also a real bug for poker, but worst, for some reason I did not update the bugged file ! So the site worked well until yesterday when I finally updated the file for a minor change (nothing about the actual problem), so I had no clue about what happened...

Everything should be ok now, but some cards may have changed in a few games.

Bad day... Sorry about that.


Normajean Yates    (2009-02-06 18:32:02)
I should change my profile to...

'a little bit of this, a little bit of that' :)

Or using the idiom of days long before I was born: 'I explored various activities and found my limitations in all of them rather fast' :)


Scott Nichols    (2009-02-11 01:46:31)
Wilhelm is right

Geez, my question and I don't remember where it was played, Thanks Wilhelm


Normajean Yates    (2009-02-12 00:51:54)
one about employment contracts..

Saladin: "But I have a contract".

"Read the fine print. Get a *lawyer* to read the fine print. Of course you don't have a contract."

(from Salman Rushdie's 'The Satanic Verses')


Scott Nichols    (2009-02-14 15:53:16)
Howard Staunton

"It seems utterly impossible for either player to save the game!"


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-17 17:23:43)
Poker : suggestions & improvements

A new thread to discuss possible improvements for Poker Holdem 'board', in example I've been asked to add the possibility to know the "rabbits (?!)", in another way the turn & the river even if a player folds after the flop, what do you think ?

Also, for those who prefer to know what is the next card just after having played, the "slow moves" option may be a good choice but it may be really too slow (do we really need to confirm a bet ?), your opinion is needed...

I'll probably add a button to open a new window displaying the previous move very soon.

Feel free if you have any other suggestion.


Michael Sharland    (2009-02-18 20:44:23)
Show amount won in hand displays

Just a small enhancement, but it would be nice to see the amount of chips won at the conclusion of a hand without having to replay the hand or dig through the PGN.

Also, anthing that would make the PGN trail more readable would be great. Maybe organize it as more of a Hand History and include all shown cards as part of the data so that it can be reviewed independent of a game viewer.


Philip Roe    (2009-02-20 14:36:04)
Complexity of Go

Don, I think the extra complexity may be more than your calculation shows.

On a Go board with 39 extra points, I think you are assuming that each extra point could be occupied by either a white stone or a black stone, giving 2 to the power 39 extra possibilities. Actually, since the extra stones need to be equally of each color, the possibilities are not quite so great. (about 2 to the power 36)

Anyway, what that calculation gives is the number of additional POSITIONS, but in calculating the number of additional GAMES the order of playing the stones must matter. On a board with n points, the number of possible games seems to be just factorial(n). In that case, going from a 19 x 19 board to a 20 x 20 board increases the number of possible games by a factor factorial(400)/factorial(361), which my computer gives as about 2 to the power 334.

I don't know enough about Go to judge how significant these numbers are, and surely various heuristics will cut them down a lot. But I thought that this observation might be worth making.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2009-02-21 00:21:22)
Normajean Yates

I just remembered a joke from Benny Hill show:

"God is dead." -- Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead" -- God



Don Groves    (2009-02-21 00:30:03)
Thanks...

... for the correction, Philip!

Another thing I wonder is if we should give each point three states: black, white, or empty. This would increase the complexity even further but I'm not certain if it is a correct thing to do.


Don Groves    (2009-02-21 00:32:48)
One of my own

They say the mind is the second thing to go. I don't remember the first. -- me


Robert Mueller    (2009-02-21 06:30:07)
Norms and Titles

For obtaining a title (e.g. FEM) you need three FEM norms. Does winning a FIM norm automatically give you a FEM norm too? In other words: if I have two FEM norms and then get a FIM norm, do I get the FEM title?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-25 14:52:12)
Risky opening

The games played with Black by Tomas Civin are worth a glance, nice to see this opening at this level (quite hard to play for sure)

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=29043

Maybe a thematic tournament to follow :)


Ulrich Imbeck    (2009-02-25 15:59:23)
Modern Defence

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 could be the theme.


Ulrich Imbeck    (2009-02-27 01:21:58)
Modern isn't the Hippopotamus

Modern isn't the Hippopotamus.

Only Hippopotamus is a system of the Modern.

I'll never play a thematic tournament Hippopotamus


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-02-28 03:35:14)
Svante Carl wins FICGS Go WCH (again)

Congratulations to Svante Carl von Erichsen who keeps the FICGS Go champion title by beating Ke Lu 5d on an impressive 5-0 score, also reaching a rating of 2653 !

A rematch just started between our two top Go players, as Ke Lu convincingly won the 3rd FICGS Go WCH preliminary tournament by 7/7

You can follow the games here :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000003

Svante Carl kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his match :


FICGS - Hello Svante Carl, first of all congratulations for your win in the FICGS correspondence Go championship final. Your opponent was Ke Lu 5 dan, you won 4 games out of 5 already (the last game is not finished yet), how do you explain such a result?

Svante Carl - Hello! Thank you very much! It is certainly astonishing for me that I was able to hold my own in these games. I believe that the main factor that helped me in getting on even terms with such a strong player was that I could spend much more time analyzing each move than in a face-to-face or online direct playing situation.

FICGS - Did you have a particular preparation or plan before to start the games?

Svante Carl - The only things I planned beforehand was to really give my best, and to make the games as distinct as possible.

FICGS - The site will now try to attract more correspondence Go players from Asia (with a few chinese, japanese or korean words on the home page already), what do you think about the games format played at FICGS (30 days + 1 day / move, chinese rules komi 7.5 points) and the championship rules?

Svante Carl - I like the format. I am also interested in the rules of Go as well as the rules that surround Go, like tournament rules and time settings. My current conviction is that the "real, pure" Go rules are area rules with superko, and territory rules should be seen as a shortcut which should give the same result. I have come to think that the "Taiwan rule", i.e. White gets a point of compensation if Black got the last play (before the first pass), is a sensible part of the rules. FICGS has taken a very easy route by declaring the rule set and leaving negotiation of the result to the players. While in the end, it is only important who won, I think that showing a result as e.g. "White+3", "Black+Resign" adds a lot of flavour. As a time system, I think that bonus time (a.k.a. Fischer time), like on FICGS, is a very general and sensible approach to timing a game like Go. I think that many "real-world" tournaments and internet servers will switch to that in the future, for all, blitz, speed, normal, slow, and correspondence games. The championship format is quite nice. I like the title holder/challenger way of tournament series. The only thing I would like to see is some sort of nigiri to determine the colours in the odd game. Attracting players from Asia is really a worthwhile goal. I look forward to playing players from all over the world.

FICGS - Does correspondence Go bring you something more than real time Go? What is more addictive according to you?

Svante Carl - Since I think that analyzing is a forte of mine, I might be a bit stronger at correspondence Go than at "real time" Go. I don't think that one is more addictive than the other.

FICGS - Do you often play real time Go online? What servers do you prefer?

Svante Carl - I usually play on KGS, but not too much, perhaps one or two games per week on average, often in "bursts". KGS is quite nice, but not perfect. Sometimes I play at CyberOro, but there is much less communication; I like to watch pro games there.

FICGS - Do you use softwares that assist you in your games (FICGS rules allow this)? What do you think about computer Go in general nowadays?

Svante Carl - I only use a board or a simple SGF file viewer for analyzing. There are no playing programs that could help me. The programs have advanced quite much recently, but I think that it will still be a long time before they can beat me in an even game. Currently, most tests of these programs are against professional players with high handicaps, and I think that this is a good situation for the bots, since they get exponentially weaker the further the game is from the end -- high handicap practically eliminates the opening, their weakest spot. I would like to see more tests against amateur players at the bots' own level.

FICGS - Do you play other games (board games, video games...), what is your favourite one?

Svante Carl - Go is certainly my absolute favourite. I also know chess, although I am really weak at that. I also like "german board games", there are some really nice pearls there. In video games, well, there are also some pearls, but they get drowned by a mass of ... not so good games..., I don't waste time looking at that scene any more. I also played some online poker, but it wasn't able to keep me interested.

FICGS - Will you defend your title again against Ke Lu who also won the 3rd wch tournament?

Svante Carl - Of course, I am looking forward to that!

FICGS - Could you give us your impressions on the games, how it went from the beginning to the end, do you think that time pressure were a non-negligible factor in the result (the clocks of Ke Lu were quickly near 1 or 2 days left)?

Svante Carl - I was a bit surprised that he let his time drop to such a low level right at the beginning, perhaps he was not familiar yet with the vacancy feature at FICGS. I can't see his reasons for this, or how much time he actually could spend on his games. I was ahead in each game when it timed out, though.

I think that game 2 was quite even from the start. The skirmish in the lower left resulted in me capturing a little group, but he got a nice framework on the lower side. My prospects of reducing this were a bit hampered by the fact that my right side group was not completely settled. I found a way to sacrifice some stones to settle my group while fixing the framework's extent and keeping sente to secure my top side, at which time, the game was still almost even, but I think that I was a few points ahead then. Later, I could seal the top side with some extra points through some rather blunt forcing moves.

In game 3, my opponent made an approach with White 24 that is usually regarded as bad in this situation, because the pincer Black 25 works out very well in conjunction with the stone on the left side. He tried to settle with White 26, but I refused to make things so easy, even though the result from the usual joseki would not have been bad. He resisted Black 27, but I think that White 28 is an overplay. The resulting fight left me with nice profit in that corner and sente, while he made some centre thickness. I then tried to carefully neutralize this thickness, but I may have played some slack moves in the course. Later, I was able to keep a little moyo in the lower right centre, and then I poked into his right-side territory where he had left a serious weakness earlier.

Game 1 started out with an interesting fight in the upper right. After White 42, both the three captured black and the two almost captured white stones retain some serious aji, which I came back to fix on my side a few moves later. When I could set up a splitting attack with Black 77, he was able to connect his two weak groups, but in bad shape. I continued to keep this dragon separated from the top, planning to invade the top side afterwards. However, with White 110, instead of connecting by playing B6, he saved some centre stones, and I proceeded to separate and kill the dragon. He may have overlooked that my upper left side group was still able to live after 110 and 111.

In game 4, after White 22, Black's stones on the left side have a strange relation. The three stones in the corner are a bit far from C10, but putting another move here is way too slow. He tried to remedy this situation with the following moves. After Black 27, there are weaknesses left in both sides' shape. When I entered with White 32, I thought that his weakness at F13 would let me settle easily, but he attacked very hard. After White 60, there are some weaknesses in my shape, but he also has a weakish group in the centre. Playing at K10 with White 76 before taking the two stones with H2 felt very important to me. At move 94, I couldn't find a good move to complete my moyo at the top, but I thought that I had found a good point to invade. This was much harder than I thought, since after Black 95, the 3-3 point fails to live. With 96 and 98, I thought that I would get a ko, but he played a line that I had excluded earlier on account of too many cuts in Black's outside shape. However, with Black 107, he made things very difficult for me, since cutting at P16 doesn't work out too well -- my inside group doesn't have enough liberties. I cut at Q14 instead with the hope to at least get some outside forcing opportunities that might have been able to keep me in the game. I think that Black 115 should have been at R12, because after White 116, R12 and N16 have become miai. Black 117 just doesn't work at all. I really got lucky in the end here. These impressions are naturally one-sided, and I would be really interested what stronger players might say about these games.

FICGS - Thank you very much and have good games !

Svante Carl - Thank you!


Garvin Gray    (2009-03-03 00:39:37)
Order of games, chess, poker etc


When displaying games being played, would it be possible to show them by type of game?

As in all the chess games in order, then poker games in order etc. while still maintaining the oldest created game in that game format.

I would prefer the game display this way, rather than having the poker and chess games clumped in together.



Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-03 21:27:46)
15 members

We now have 15 members in the FICGS Facebook group... Join us :)

By the way I also created a "FICGS games server" group at the FICGS social network ;)

http://www.ficgs.com/whole_display_people.php?id=9&group=2

Much work to do yet but much work has been done already ! There will be features that Facebook does not have in a few weeks...


Garvin Gray    (2009-03-03 23:16:45)
sorting by start date


A 'compromise' could be a preference option where players can sort by tournament start date or by game type. Something like that anyways.

The reason I put the compromise in inverted commas is that while it is all very easy for us players to offer suggestions, it is another for programmers to implement them.



Michael Sharland    (2009-03-04 20:57:02)
Show the cards & history

I'll agree with Don that just showing the cards in place would be more intuitive and is what everybody is used to seeing.

As far as the viewer goes, I would say that it is a nice improvement but finding key hands is still very difficult when the history gets long. One should be able to more easily navigate through the history by hand rather than move. Also, it would be nice if the PGN did clearly demark where points are won so key hands can more easily be found.

Keep up the good work.


Anthony Jones    (2009-03-06 13:06:37)
Perverse poker

Its certainly gripping to watch, but the level of aggression he displays is borderline unethical due to the intimidation of his opponents.
As tournament director i'd offer him a single warning before booting him out.
Imagine the same actions in chess after winning a pawn! Although i do remember Nigel Short saying that in a world Junior champs when he was 15 he played a move and Kasparov laughed in his face before crushing him....


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-06 13:53:51)
Perverse chess & poker

Huh, I didn't hear about that story about Short & Kasparov but surely it reminds me one movie about chess.. maybe the one with Christophe Lambert.

Anyway you're right, such behaviour couldn't be tolerated, I'm quite surprised this guy can play in broadcasted tournaments. Maybe "special rules" for the TV show only, even explaining the behaviour in this case.


Philip Roe    (2009-03-06 14:06:34)
Thanks for the check, not for the clock

Thibault,

The notification check on the My Games title is a typically thoughtful touch. Thank you.

However, the clock just adds clutter unless you have a use for it. Can this enhancement be made an optional preference?

Also, since I am not interested in accepting challenges, is there a way to prevent challenges from being issued?


Arnab Sengupta    (2009-03-06 18:00:44)
Walking Tall

Hey guys remember me??? well i was busy lately but am back now....sorry that my rating has gone sooooo down.....which makes me laugh by the way....but i'm back....hope to see some good games..


Don Groves    (2009-03-07 00:50:45)
Agreed...

... on both counts, Philip.

The Challenges at the top of the page are more annoying than the clock for those of us who are not interested in challenges since they take up space that could be better used by displaying games. Making both of them optional would be a welcome change.

Another solution might be to put the Challenge section also at the bottom of the page.


Michael Aigner    (2009-03-07 20:34:56)
Unrated Tournaments

Sometimes I would like to experiment with some more or less unserious openings (e.g. to "improve" my OTB opening repertoire). I would not like to this in serious rated tournaments, therefore I would be happy if we could have some unrated tournaments (special tournaments area) similar to thematic tournis. What do you think about this?


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-03-09 16:19:53)
Unserious openings in serious games!

"Sometimes I would like to experiment with some more or less unserious openings"

For what regards myself I do it all the time in rated games !

For example in my wch-05 semifinal match against D. Ghysens I am busy trying the Hampe-Algaier gambit (not a real success so far) and a Alekhine-Chatard one (much more promising) ... :)

So no need for special unrated tournaments for experimenting IMHO ...

Marc

PS you should have a look : this match will win the price for the most excentric openings in high-level correspondence chess (well I hope so).


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-10 11:08:04)
wch-05 semifinal

Indeed, bloody & rare games :) .. "Creativity lab." is a nice name, "Experiments zone" too... maybe it should also mean "just for fun", "unrated" would be easy. Hmmmmm....


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-10 11:10:11)
Big Chess Games

That's the problem... Usually a big chess game is quite short (often shorter than regular chess games), but between two strong opponents, theorically it may last more than 1 year with time control 30 days + 1 day / move.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-10 18:25:31)
Topalov vs. Anand

Veselin Topalov vs. Viswanathan Anand [reigning FIDE world champion] is the final match in the current FIDE world championship cycle, but it is now official that FIDE postponed the match already, from September 2009 to (at least) April 20th, 2010, and opened a new bidding process.

Where will the match take place ? To be continued.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-11 11:56:26)
(!)

I don't think it would be a good idea cause the page needs to reload to display the (!) .. Imagine you're typing a looooong post (reminds me 2 years ago :)), you're to send it then the page reload "It's your turn".. ;)

As for me, I have one window with the "My games" page, and another one if neeeded with the forum.


Don Groves    (2009-03-12 01:20:52)
(!)

True, I hadn't thought of that problem. Browsers should be smarter ;-)


Michael Aigner    (2009-03-13 16:58:32)
@ Marc

Hi Marc, in general you are right when you say you can play unserious openings in serious games - of course. The little problem there is, you can´t if you want to win. From time to time I can´t hold back and try it myself. In most of this games I am very happy if I am able to "win" a half point in the end. Have a nice day Michael


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2009-03-14 22:58:49)
one more improvement

Thibault, is it possible to show captured pieces beside the board - this would help greatly to those players who set up the board to think over the next move.


Don Groves    (2009-03-15 05:51:10)
I love this one:

"The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment." -- Warren G. Bennis


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-03-15 15:35:28)
a problem with tournament scheduling.

This is the third time I find myself enrolled in a tournament at a completeley inapproppriated time with regard to my professional duties and leisure time possibilities.

Thibault, you should do something. At least when a tournament start has been delayed for months (or more) like this one please do send a mail or message to all players announcing the date of beginning and asking for confirmation of their participation.

For what regards myself and this wch-4 round-robin final I am in the complete impossibility to free the required amount of time by now : so I regret but I have no other choice than announcing my forfeit for all these games. Please do take my name off.

By the way I won't enroll in any other championship qualifications as long as there are no better rules regarding scheduling and announcements of tournaments start date

It's completely unacceptable to stay without any news for months and then to suddenly discover that you have a new set of games running.

Marc


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-15 17:55:32)
a problem with tournament scheduling

I agree, Marc.

Well, to summary the situation is :

1. It actually happens that tournaments start up to two months late in wch cycles.

2. It would take too much time (compared to the wch tournaments duration) to ask for a confirmation to all qualified players (+ spamfolder & other problems), particularly when a few players may suddenly be invited in a tournament.

3. Players can only withdraw their participation before the wch tournament starts.

IMO, to keep this rapid format, the rules should evolve to : "A player may withdraw from a wch tournament up to 15 days after it started, if he did not play a single move. In this case a player will be immediately invited in replacement. As it is not possible to wait for all confirmations, this player may withdraw from the tournament by following the same rule."

This may at least partly solve the problem. By following this new rule, you may be replaced without any penalty.

What do you think ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-15 18:17:32)
Anand vs. Computer

I don't remember Anand playing a match against a computer like Deep Blue, Deep Fritz, Junior, Rybka & so on... But it is quite possible to find a few games like Anand vs. Fritz 3, 4 or other old programs in chess databases IMO.

Anyway, it is quite hard for me to answer your question as I still think the world is divided into 2 categories, Garry Kasparov and those who dig :) (The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, of course) .. More seriously, Anand is probably one of these 4 or 5 best players of all times, but who may be quite irregular (or just human), unlike Kasparov. Tal was another genius, maybe more a gambler, but none (Topalov, Anand, Kramnik...) ever reached the level of Garry Kasparov in my opinion.

I'm not sure Anand will be interested in losing to a chess computer, particularly as even Fritz is getting stronger & stronger.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-15 18:58:58)
wch cycles & rules

In addition and to make the rules clearer and less hard, we may envisage to launch a wch new cycle every 8 or 9 months - in practice 6 months seems to be really short. There are always a few games that can't be adjudicated before the very end.

About the idea to send an email to qualified players to warn them about the start date of the tournaments, I agree that it would be the best way but it may also delay tournaments (+ spamfolder & so on..). In the news, I wrote that the round-robin final would start as soon as game 22898 finished a while ago, then deleted it, which is not enough also. So if all tournaments surely start when a new cycle starts (clearly announced in the news page), it may solve the problem. What do you think ?


Scott Nichols    (2009-03-15 21:05:35)
Excellent solution.

IMO Thibault has come up with exactly the right solution. Maybe there should be a way for all players to withdraw under the same conditions. Sometimes things come up and people can't follow through with what they planned, if they can withdraw without penalty it might save a lot of under 10 move losses and the remaining players just receive a forfeit win. Just an idea.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-15 22:52:47)
Championship rules

Thanks.. well, that's probably not exactly 'perfect' but anyway, let's try this before the next problem. I'll update the rules soon.


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-03-17 13:02:10)
Anand vs computer

Back in 1998 Anand was the first top player to lose a match (5-3) against a PC program (Rebel 10).
Rebel played on a PC equipped with an AMD K6 450 Mhz processor (something similar to present-day smartphones!)
The match consisted of four blitz games, two rapid ones and two slow games. It is noticeable that Anand still managed to win 1.5/2 the slow games part of the match. And if I remember correctly Anand's win in the final game was a brilliant one, one of the last convincing human wins against modern programs.



Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-17 22:53:06)
Rules updated

I just made this change in the general rules & chess wch rules :

"11.6 There is no withdrawal, from any tournament, however in the case of multi-stages e.g. world championship tournaments, the games won't be rated if a player warns the referee before the tournament starts and at most 15 days after a new stage started but the first one, then a replacement will occur if possible. (this special rule is particularly dedicated to players surprisingly invited to an advanced wch stage, as it would take too much time to wait for confirmations from all qualified players)"

Don't hesitate to make suggestions if you think it can be better formulated. Thanks in advance.


Scott Nichols    (2009-03-18 10:28:13)
Ratings floor.

Hi Thibault. One thing I would like to see implemented is a ratings floor here. By this I mean a player can never drop below one class below his/her ratings peak. e.g., a player with a 1951 rating can never drop below 1600, a 2001 player can never drop below 1800. In the U.S. (and maybe worldwide, not sure) we have this system to keep strong players from sandbagging and artificially let their rating drop so they can play in the lower sections of big money tournaments. On FICGS I don't think that is a big problem. The problem here is that Corr. chess takes long term dedication and some players tend to drop out for whatever reason and resign all their games or just quit and let their time run out. This also drops their ratings artificially low levels. Then, as it seems to always happen, Caissa's power sweeps over them and they get back in. Or, they just bought a new super computer and want to show it off. Anyway, when they do get back in....you have an expert player coming in with a very low rating. This to me is unfair to the other players who try very hard on their ratings. e.g., In the current world Ch. cycle I am playing a very strong player who is over 800 points below my rating. I would appreciate any other opinions on this subject. Thank you.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-18 11:04:06)
Ratings floor

That's a real problem (any other opinions on this ?) In my opinion, a rating floor may lead to more trouble in higher ratings : A player who starts at 2300 and drops to 1700 has more chances to drop all his games again than to play seriously. Anyway, once more there's no perfect solution IMO.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-19 00:28:50)
Disconnected ?

Hi Samy, I just added the Epoints, did you logout before to enter the code ? Looks like the problem came from this. No solution yet in this case, but if you warn me immediately, that's ok.

Thanks for the bug report.


Garvin Gray    (2009-03-20 18:14:00)
enter more

I think we need more players entering the few categories we have already before we go and increase the categories. Otherwise this would just seem to spread a very thin base even thinner.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2009-03-22 11:27:20)
one more improvement

Hi, Thibault!
Is it possible to show captured pieces beside the board - this would help greatly to those players who set up the board to think over the next move?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-22 14:54:02)
captured pieces

Hi Denis (and sorry, I forgot to respond to your previous message)

Well, the way I implemented it - to save more processor time - doesn't allow to show captured pieces without big changes :/ By the way I don't understand well why it would be so useful !?


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2009-03-22 23:28:11)
captured pieces

Thibault, maybe it is just my personal drawbacks but when I set up board I usually look at captured pieces (on letsplaychess.com or chess-online.ru) and see how many of pieces are out - and just count with those on the board to be 16 in total - and become confident that I didn't miss anything. here on Ficgs it usually takes more time to get confident that all pieces on their places. and from the other side it will be easily seeing which player is getting upper hand - just looking at captured pieces (especially when difference is small - like pawn or two or pawn for a piece) and yes notation White: 2B, 2N, 3P Black: Q,4R would solve the problem


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-23 15:44:12)
Best poker sites

Well this thread may be a good place to discuss the best poker places... Do you know other sites where to play Poker Texas Hold'em ?

I have no time to try it anyway but it's always good to know.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-23 15:55:15)
Checkmate detection (finally)

A few improvements to come today !

Checkmate detection : Finally I implemented it even if I like the idea that a player should resign by himself (just like for Go). It will be in test for a few days/weeks so it may not work for everyone during this time.

A few informations more in players statistics (number of advanced chess, Go & poker games won, lost, running...)

In Go games, a reminder will appear when a player "pass" (one player has to resign or call referee to end the game, with a link to the Go scorer)

Thank you all for making suggestions that help to improve the site, I know there are many others to implement (e.g. challenges option & so on...), be patient :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-03-24 16:51:19)
another suggestion

My thinking is not favourable for slower time controls. There are already tournament classes that are very thin and increasing the number of tournament options only delutes the base of tournaments. By the way, Tribault if you want to increase participation, open up some faster tournament bases. Not like blitz or such, but faster. I think that would be a better improvement than slowing down. Holy cow some of my games have gone on close to a year, or seems that way anyhow. I am content with the classes/timers as they are. By the way, hardy congratulations on auto rersign on mate . :) (about time hehehehe) kidding of course. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-28 00:25:29)
Email notification

A bug has just been corrected (finally..). Now you should receive an email when every poker game ends with ratings changes.


Don Groves    (2009-03-28 08:04:19)
Email notification

Excellent, Thibault! How about including a link to the game so we can see the final result?


Benjamin Block    (2009-03-28 09:04:48)
Other sites

There are some site that have free tournamnets. You can win in them and then play bigger and bigger some have earned over $10 000 starting with no money. But the most sites you need to be 18. I don´t really understand why. If it is free tournament why do you need to be 18? You can´t lose any money. Maybe they only want players that they can take money from. At the moment i play on pogo.com it is free and you win tickets that you can win money but the chans is very smal.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-28 17:19:58)
Email notification

Hi Don, the link to the game is included in emails for about 1 or 2 months already !? Just before the PGN. How (which software or website) do you read your emails ?


Don Groves    (2009-03-28 22:38:34)
Email notification

Thanks for the correction, Thibault! I never noticed it before because I only need it for poker. For chess and go games, I already know the result.


Denis Ivanchenkov    (2009-03-29 14:14:21)
Wayne Lowrance

>By the way, Thibault if you want to increase participation, open up some faster tournament bases.
imho 1 day/move, 2 day/move or 3 day/move - these time conntrols more demanding for players.

and I'd like to suggest one more idea - so call ladder tournaments (well, this may be too complicated to develop corresponding soft - but this is just a suggestion). so the essence of such tournament is that we have "ladder" classes H (lowest), G, F, ... and A - the highest one. In the beginning all players belong to H class. And there are open 5/7/9-player tournaments starting in each class - they are just waiting until filled and then open again. each tournament is all-play-all 1 game with fast (1 d/m 2d/m 3d/m) control. When tournament is finnished the winner (or several winners in case of a tier) is promoted one class up. Similarly, the player (players) occupying the last position is demoted one class down (except for H classers). So winning the tournaments is actually a "climbing" the ladder.

this scheme was used in igame.ru and was pretty popular among players. i suggested this scheme to chess-online.ru - unfortunately they were pretty hesitant as to realization (maybe due to soft development complexity?)


Francisco Gramajo    (2009-03-30 02:40:35)
I played in a lot of places...

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Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-30 14:35:37)
Casinos & poker

Hi Francisco, I'm not sure (I don't know much about it) but your offer may look like affiliate systems just like in every casino online. Maybe that's not the right way to promote poker places anymore.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-31 19:41:45)
200 point rating bands

I'm not sure, 100 point rating bands are theorically better of course but it will take much more time to fill the waiting lists. The rapid section (with different bands) partly solves the problem in my opinion - particularly for players who may play rapid tournaments also.

Anyway, waiting for more opinions on this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-31 22:22:54)
Poker ratings

I've just changed the rating rules for Poker. I noticed that poker ratings moved really fast, most probably too fast. Also I think it is better to favour experience to new ratings, at least under a certain rating limit (just like Go rating rules). I'll keep an eye on ratings during a few months. Consequently now the poker rating rules are :

"The poker holdem rating list takes account of rated poker holdem games played at any time control.

If you have no poker rating, you have to play at least one rated poker holdem game to appear in the rating list. Poker holdem ratings are adjusted in real time after each result :

Performance = Opponent Current Rating + 350 if the game is won, -350 if the game is lost.

Case of a win (rating > 1999) : New Rating = ((19 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 20
Case of a win (rating < 2000) : New Rating = ((18 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 20

Case of a loss : New Rating = ((19 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 20

The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is superior to 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player.

In case of a loss against a player rated more than 200 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 200."


Nick Burrows    (2009-03-31 23:46:20)
general improvements

I agree that seeing 'rabbit' cards is a waste of space & distracting.
I also would prefer to just see the cards as they are, rather than the winning hand. It's very simple to see who has the best hand.
Scrolling back through a game is way too time consuming, i would play back thru games if there there was a 'viewer' similair to the chess analysis board, but as it is now is just like a hard record of the game.
Otherwise, i am greatly enjoying my poker games and has improved my enjoyment of the site immensely :-)
Many thanks, Nick.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-03-31 23:52:44)
Rating lists

Hi Don, I agree.. rating lists also show players who entered a provisional rating, actually I didn't think so many players would estimate themselves as advanced players when filling the registration form. Anyway this update should slowly solve the problem, question of weeks/months, 1800 is the same provisional rating as in chess, strong players should be able to reach 2000-2100 in a while.


Philip Roe    (2009-04-05 08:21:08)
Will the games be viewable?

I see that the first unrated tournament has begun, but it doesnt seem to possible to view the games (There is no entry under "Tournaments"). Since the players have expressed an interest in trying opening experiments, it might be interesting to watch their adventures.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-05 21:23:03)
Rating calculation : real time or not

Hi Scott, it would be not a nightmare for sure. But the way correspondence chess ratings are calculated is more a question of history IMO, just like FIDE WCH. Many players would probably think this is just a nonsense, while the others may find good reasons for this change. It seems to me that correspondence chess ratings have always been calculated every 2 or 6 months according to the organization. I thought about this question already, there are advantages in both solutions, so I'm not against the idea to open this (big) debate.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-06 21:31:27)
Rating peaks

Among possible problems : It is likely that players could reach higher artificial ratings (peaks) this way, even if we change the complete system & the way tournaments are built. IMO instant ratings mean that games should start as soon as a player enter a tournament waiting list - gradually, like at IECG server - otherwise it would be even harder to predict your opponents tournament entry rating, by the way there is no more TER taken in account in Go rating calculation, that is an advantage in some ways but one of the main problems also]

As for me, the deep reason why I may prefer the 2 months system is this very special "moment" that FIDE players know when waiting for their next rating. The other system makes everything faster & faster, just like the world wide web but finally maybe the passion flies away faster also. My 2 cents :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-07 13:45:37)
Rating calculation

Thanks for encouragements, Scott :)

The question could be now : Why not to install the same system for Go, but it seems to me that instant ratings are justified in this case by the duration of the games : 1. There's no real difference of level in blitz & correspondence games, so only one rating list is best. 2. Due to the difference of ratings between strong & weak players, new players can find their right place quickly this way.

Now about Poker I'm not sure yet, maybe the 2 months system would be better. To be discussed in a few months.


William Taylor    (2009-04-08 20:54:57)
Missed this thread...

I was just thinking of nagging you again for a Big Chess Championship when I stumbled upon this thread. Seems I don't check the forum often enough. Any start date decided on yet? Regarding the format, in general I prefer championships to be decided by a match, though of course it would take longer.


William Taylor    (2009-04-12 20:04:06)
I still like the idea

I still like the idea of country teams and an Olympiad-like format. I've read Marc's post and can't imagine nationalism would be a problem on a friendly site like FICGS. However, it would be a shame for countries which only have one or two players at FICGS not to be able to play. How about a team championship along the lines of other chess team championships such as the Russian one which has just finished? i.e. teams are made up of invited players from all over the world. Anyone could be a team captain and enter a team if they could get one together. There could be an entry fee and captains might even then pay a fee to top FICGS players to be on their team in an effort to win the FICGS team trophy and prize money. ;) I'm not saying an entry fee would be a good idea - just mentioning it as a possibility. Anyway, I think a team championship of some kind, Olympiad-format or not, or both, would be interesting, exciting, and good for building the sense of community on FICGS.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-14 15:37:00)
Draw offer and rules

Very good point. I quite agree with this but it is now a bit complicated for players (more or less beginners) to know what to do in such a case. We can also imagine the case of a player saying "I resign" without checking the resign box.

FICGS rules are official (FIDE) chess rules when proper FICGS rules don't exist. It may apply there, but I feel we should clarify and why not change the rules to make it clearer & simpler.

Let's see what is your favourite proposal :

1) A draw offer sent in the message (draw box unchecked) should be considered as a real draw offer if the opponent called the referee to accept it and did not reply to the move.

2) A draw offer sent in the message (draw box unchecked) should be considered as a real draw offer if the opponent called the referee to accept it, even if he replied to the move.

3) A draw offer sent in the message (draw box unchecked) shouldn't be considered as a real draw offer because there shouldn't be such human decision in server chess and it could be ambiguous.


The proposition 2) may bring problems IMO, I think 3) is generally better in server chess (maybe even in OTB chess when the sheet in not signed, I suppose the case happened already) as there should be as few human decision as possible, 1) is more fair in a certain way though.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-14 17:19:23)
Shogi & Xiangqi

Hi Samy, I'm not so opposed to introduce these interesting games here but there are no players enough yet to envisage it, that's the main point IMO (then if I remember well computers are stronger than the best players already). We'll probably discuss it again in a while.


Nick Burrows    (2009-04-14 17:45:59)
draw

The reason i ask is that this would give the players to capability to fix matters themselves without referee intervention, though i can see that it may cause more problems than it solves.

I think no.1 is the better ruling. On the rare occasion that this occurs, the player truly did offer a draw but simply didnt know the correct way to offer it. If his opponent consults the rules and calls the referee, the draw is binding, if he plays a move then the game continues...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-14 20:23:03)
Time control in Poker games, new rule ?

Hi all,

The first poker holdem games started a few months ago, it may be time to discuss new improvements around time controls in "correspondence" (> 1 day) poker games.

The problem is obviously that the dead man defence [to last the game until death when losing] could apply, at least theorically. In my opinion, we should try to find an idea to reduce the thinking time for the players who are in an inferior "position", or for both players, or maybe the maximum total time accumulated (now 100 days) and/or the time to play a single move (now 60 days)... well, actually there are many possibilities but I can't find one simple, clear & fair enough. To change the basic time control 30 days + 1 day/move would not be a good idea IMO, an inferior increment would bring problems also.

Ideas are welcome !


William Taylor    (2009-04-14 20:26:59)
draw offer

Definitely not number 2. Either number 1 or 3 would be fine. Ideally a draw offer would be binding, but I can see that there could be problems if it's worded slightly strangely. For example, it might look like a clear draw offer but the person who wrote it might not speak English as their first language and might not have intended it as such. Perhaps number 1 would create more problems than it would solve.


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-15 00:11:37)
I vote for #3.

Rules should be to resolve things if a players is violating the spirit of the game severely. If opponents change their mind; IMO this does not fall in that category; it shows carelessness of draw-offering player.

Players who make draw offers should read the rules once more and make the offer clearly; then there is no problem.

Otherwise an opponent can actually change their mind... this is: more important than the fact of not-OTB: looong-time-controls. [One can imagine these time controls OTB also, 40 days/10 moves - in theory! ;)]

So, #3.


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-04-15 00:38:58)
Ticking box should be only valid way

I also think that checking the box is the only valid way to make a draw offer, written statement should not be accepted. At best it could be a possibility that if someone receives a written request for a draw offer, he could goto the referee (in this case Thibault), and ask how to do with an (invalid) draw offer.

I don't think Thibault should go through logs of games everytime (even if that can be automated), to see if a players have offered a draw.


William Taylor    (2009-04-15 18:11:08)
my waiting lists

It would also be quite nice to be able to add waiting lists which you haven't joined to such a list, so that you could easily watch them to see if/how quickly they were filling and decide whether you wanted to join. I think that might well be more trouble than it's worth though.


Ranganathan Raman    (2009-04-15 22:50:29)
Suggestion for my games

how do i find easy way to my games?each game type
Chess,Big Chess, Go and Poker Holdem
Suggestion heading it ex:
Chess
Game 28237 ! Raman - Lois 26... Nd3+ -1 days
Game 28241 ! Dadban - Raman 57. g3+ 13 days
Big chess
Game 28645 ! Raman - Rakovic 39... Rh1+ 0 days
Game 28653 ! Raman - Ruzin 48... Qb1+ 20 days
Go
Game 28913 ! Sternik - Raman 43. c4+ 2 days
Game 28922 ! Lois - Raman 30. Qxh6+ 4 days
Poker Holdem
Game 28976 ! Carrizo - Raman 30. g8Q+ 35 days
Game 28989 ! Raman - Sternik 29... Rh2+ 1 days



William Taylor    (2009-04-15 23:15:21)
Intermediate time control

Yes, perhaps the time limit for 1 move could be shortened. A week would be fine for poker games, I think, but (although I would almost always play a move in less than a week) I wouldn't favour the introduction of such a short time control in chess games. Regarding Don's proposal that the game would not be rated if fewer than ten moves had been played, it is of course theoretically possible to have a large or winning advantage after ten moves, and in such a situation it would seem unfair not to rate the game. (That's assuming that the player who won on time was also the one winning on the board).


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-17 00:55:56)
Intermediate time control

I'm not favourable to change the time per move limit or to change anything for chess & Go. In my opinion, we should add a tricky rule for poker games only to reduce their duration.

This rule may apply only in certain cases, what do you think ? In example, the player who has less chips and/or won rounds may have a reduced increment or a time penalty, something like that, but it must be fair enough... Thinking about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-17 01:19:40)
Draw offer and rules

"To allow that player to change his mind after seeing the next move is a violation of chess ethics" .. every violation of chess ethics do not end the game, actually this is an even more complex problem that we could discuss also.

In my opinion the case should be clearly explained in the rules & help section. Well you probably understood that I'm quite favourable to #3 but let's try to convince each other.


Don Groves    (2009-04-17 09:44:17)
Tricky rule?

I would rather speed up poker games by reducing them to best 2 of 3 than have such a rule. It is much easier to make up a deficit in poker than it is in either chess or go. If it is right for poker, why not then have such a rule for the player who is behind in chess or go? Make them either move faster or resign.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-17 19:28:33)
Poker vs. Chess

I agree with Nick on this. 3 rounds & 100 chips by round is the only way to play "deep poker" IMHO (also to try to have significant ratings). In some cases, such a rule may work also for chess & Go, but it should probably be different as the number of moves is really different in each game, that's a problem. Let's try anyway.

Maybe the increment could not be added if the move has been played in more than a week (7 days), what do you think ? Not too hard and it may incitate to continue to play !?


Nick Burrows    (2009-04-17 19:46:43)
increment

That is certainly an improvement, whether it is enough to solve people 'dying' is unclear.
Perhaps, change to this and see how it plays out.


William Taylor    (2009-04-17 20:39:20)
Ambiguous draw offers

Don, 'Draw offered' or 'Would you like a draw?' might not be ambiguous, but how about any of the following: 'I guess it's just a draw after all.' 'Hmm, looks like I'll have to settle for a draw.' 'Well, looks like a draw then?' 'Draw' 'Any strangely-worded message that looks like it could be a draw offer but is written by somebody who doesn't speak very good English.' While my initial reaction was that such cases should be adjudicated, I now see that it could be problematic.


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-18 00:53:38)
Don, why is the tick box there, then?

Don (Groves), I don't see that someone who can clearly say 'I offer draw' can find ticking the 'draw offer' box *in addition* so difficult.

Some people are *not* courteous, (remember, we both had this common chess-opponent who just would not resign days after being checkmated; Thibault adjudicated both our games?) that's why I prefer unambiguous rules. I dont mean I prefer legalese everywhere; far from it; I just think that, say in the case under discussion, ticking the 'draw offer box' (in addition to courteous remarks on the position etc if any) is unambiguous and simple, so why make it complicated?

If only people were all showed a certain minimum level of niceness; if only people didn't retract verbal draw offers (without draw box ticked) on ficgs; if only people didn't kill; if only people didn't run concentration / extermination camps, if only people didn't drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and so on - it would be a much more beautiful world. But sadly, things are not so...




Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-18 22:33:10)
Referees

Rodolfo, the point mustn't be the number of referees, actually this case may happen once a year, so this is not the problem. In one of the very first discussions in this forum while building most of the current rules, it has been said that human decision should be as rare as possible in server chess and I was (and I'm still) ok with that, every rule here follow this way, however I can't totally disagree with Don so I'm still trying to find a decisive argument to choose the right way.

Once more, does anyone know how this issue is ruled at ICCF or IECG ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-18 22:45:26)
?

Hello Ulrich, I just logged through your account and I can open the games without any problem, could you please describe what happens ? You may also try the "fast moves" mode.


Ulrich Imbeck    (2009-04-18 23:01:13)
pending games

From my beginning here at ficgs I was only in the pending games-mode. There was the problem. I just made a move in KYU_I__000012 during the all games-mode.


Ulrich Imbeck    (2009-04-18 23:09:55)
3 my games-modes

I just saw that there are 3 my games-modes! From my beginning here at ficgs I was only in the running games-mode. I just made a move in KYU_I__000012 during the pending games-mode. My problem seems to be the running games-mode!


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-18 23:17:19)
Don+Rodolfo, what about verbal *moves* ?

By the same logic, what is wrong with my saying 'my next move will be Ne4' and helpfully putting a link in the message to a diagram of the resulting position?

after all, you get clock time for free, because you are thinking on my time!

Would you consider *that* binding? If so, would it be 'binding' for you to do the right thing i.e. request Thib to add time to my clock and subtract it from yours? [if Thib. doesnt, at least you tried..)] ;)

Extending the logic - start a game here but make moves informally by email, AFTER the game is over then for ficgs's record we repeat those moves on the ficgs board [which is still at starting pos.] --- how much of that is 'binding'?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-18 23:17:46)
Running games

Hmm, I can't see the problem yet, what game should you see in the running games mode that you can't see ?


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-18 23:22:12)
actually, there is a rule to cover this!

Quoting Last para of rule 11.2 - "The rules assume that FICGS referees have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding the solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FICGS appeals to all its members to accept this view."

Translation: Thibault's decision is final. ;)


Ulrich Imbeck    (2009-04-18 23:30:39)
Only in Kyu I 00012

My problem with the running games-mode is not in FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_I__000011 and not in FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU__000072


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-19 03:31:37)
Kyu I 00012

So what is the problem ? I can see these games in the list in the running mode, and I can open it through your account, can't you ?


Michael Sharland    (2009-04-19 04:31:12)
Reduce the time bank maximum

If the goal is not to shorten games but to allow lost or abandoned games to conclude in a timely manner than the solution is simple. Just reduce the maximum time bank from 100 days to something much lower such as 20 days. This will force some level of steady play without changing the speed at which almost all games are played. A maximum of this level can be built to quickly but still allows for a temporary suspension of a game if life intrudes. I think this is a fair compromise.


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-19 04:41:26)
But thibault, you already have them!

Thibault, you say: About rule 11.2 and this issue, the aim is [...] only to build accurate & understandable rules.

But, on this issue, you already *have* a very easily understandable rule - tick draw offer box and make move and send it (for making draw offer). That is very accurate and easy, isn't it. So what is the problem?

And in general, for rules of games, [except in mathematics :)] it is understood that what is not mentioned is not true (if the situation is such that this is expected by common use of language). For example, about move of the knight, we say that it moves fom one end to the diagonally opposite end of a 2x3 rectangle, and can jump over pieces while doing so. Since nothing else is mentioned about knight moves, it is understood that the knight cannot move legally except in this way. [In mathematics, we would have to explicitly say: 'the knight moves in the above way AND IN NO OTHER WAY.']




Don Groves    (2009-04-19 08:21:09)
Ending abandoned games

This requires more programming for our already overworked director, but how about having the system send an email to anyone who has not played a move in a certain (to be determined) time period asking if that player intends to continue the game and requesting that s/he resign if the answer is no?

The message could also request an RSVP and, if no response is forthcoming, the game is ended. This handles a common situation in Internet games where a player enters some games, then after a short time never returns to the site.

This seems like a reasonable thing to do and it doesn't change any existing rules or time controls.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-04-22 00:41:19)
FICGS Olympiad

I do not care for the idea of forming teams regardless of rating nationality . We already have this in a sense, It is called "the rating lists". The original proposal was a unique novelty idea, that I liked. I seem to be in minority on 2 person nationalistic teams. So How about a compromise of 4 person nationalistic teams. I Would my self like to play in it representing USA. How many players per teams is part "B" of the idea. Part "A" is making the Olympiad nationalistic. Speaking for my self if we drop this attribute to the idea then I lose interest. My ideas on it Wayne


Ranganathan Raman    (2009-04-23 00:03:06)
how to play Go and Poker Holdem?

any one teach here step by step
this is more use ful too new users


William Taylor    (2009-04-23 00:27:47)
Both interesting

I really don't understand either of the extreme positions on this.

To those who say they are opposed to an olympiad (i.e. national teams) - why is that? Would you refuse to take part in the real chess olympiad if you were asked? Are you against all forms of competition between countries?

To those who say they are not interested in a mixed-team competition of some kind - fair enough, but I think there are plenty of people who are. To Wayne - I fail to see how this idea is comparable to a rating list.

Personally I think both ideas would be fun and interesting, and I would certainly compete in either. Whether there is enough interest to run both at the moment I'm not sure.


Nick Burrows    (2009-04-23 01:03:09)
The Lennon Olympiad

Well i don't believe that a competitive game that symbolically warfare is very much in the spirit of John Lennon in the first place.

I feel for a team competition to work there needs to be a strong theme, playing with a random collection of players to me feels like a 'meaningless' competition.
Playing by nationality is a well established theme that is used in every single competitive sport, because it creates interest - that is all. The team members immediately have something in common, and can play as if mimmicking the real thing. Just as kids playing soccer pretend to be in the world cup...

@William - To begin with there will only be enough interest for one competition, hence the extreme views. It's just a healthy dialectic weighing up the various merits. I always seem to be in the minority ;-(


Don Groves    (2009-04-23 22:35:20)
Move with draw offer

I understand the offer is not valid -- the problem is how to continue the game!

It seems the only solution is for me to send my opponent a private message declining the offer. This could lead to misunderstanding.

On the other hand, the system says it is my turn, so can I make another move even though my opponent hasn't moved?

A can of worms has been opened...

A quick solution could be to add another check box for declining a draw offer.

Does anyone know how this is handled on other sites? A


Don Groves    (2009-04-23 22:42:08)
It's even worse than that!

Even if I send him a private message, the system still thinks it's my turn, so he cannot move... Help!


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-24 00:33:24)
me too: I just ignore the draw offer..

It has happened three times here in *one* game: an ongoing chess game of mine here on ficgs. :)

[The first time *I* offered the draw. Opponent moved, thereby automatically declining and cancelling the draw offer. The other two times *opponent* offered the draw and I moved.]

(btw I declined the offers not out of spite but because I have a win: all lines I tried give me a win. It is a most interesting game: since the annotations will not appear on the record; I'll just say that opponent returned my early exchange-sacrifice setting a trap: I could have reached Q and 3 pawns v Q, but opponent would then draw by perpetual! The [probable] winning line has Q and 2 pawns v Q and P, but my centralised Q and promotion threats win!)

It does look to me like a mountain is being made out of less than a molehill.. (not by me - I didn't start this.)

This post was to illustrate how there is *no* problem at all[1]; and neither me nor my opponent (both were playing their first games when the game began) saw any problem at all.

this is my last post on this topic.

[1] If there is at all a problem here, it is of the same level as the 'problem' that the following rule is not mentioned in ficgs-rules:

. 'gn is not allowed in chess unless n is an integer between 1 and 8 inclusive, where 1 and 8 are to interpreted as the standard numerals standing for integers in the ordered real-closed field R, with the *canonical* ordering. (As opposed to, say, an integer in the domain Z[2+i*sqrt(5)] or an integer in some exotic Grothendieck topos).
;)


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-24 00:37:23)
clarificatory note to my post above..

To be absolutely clear, those were *proper* draw offers; i.e. move sent with draw-offer-box checked.

In fact in all three cases no message was sent; neither in the message box, nor by email, nor by semaphore, nor by postcard, nor by carrier-pigeon.


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-24 00:56:04)
re William Taylor's question..

William Taylor asked (whether the question was rhetorical or literal is not germane to this post of mine): 'Would you refuse to take part in the real chess olympiad if you were asked?'

Speaking for myself: Yes, I would refuse. (But I would not hold it against people who didn't, of couse.)

Nationality based competition tends to *divide*. Witness the hatred triggered by England-Argentina football games. Club-based competion is less divisive because players switch clubs much more often than they switch nationality.

The problem is that it 'constructs' 'The Other'. Then one *defines* oneself in opposition to The Other. (Analogous to how the Occident defined itself by constructing 'The Orient': as described in detail for the Levantine ('near'- near what?) East' by late Edward Said in his famous book 'Orientalism' - a theme followed up in his almost equally famous book 'Culture and Imperialism'.)

Thank you for reading this.


Nick Burrows    (2009-04-24 01:49:31)
International Competition

I disagree that international competition divides. Within the countries it unites.
The example of England v Argentina is different because of their recent political history, and because football in particular has a culture of 'yob' support. In England it was created from club football rivalry

Does the olympics divide? Or the Davis cup? Olympiad?

I believe they create something where otherwise there is nothing.
Every action is a positive action, even if it has a negative result. By definition, playing for a team implies playing against. Your win is their loss, but you shake hands and say well done - remembering that it's 'just a game'! In the process, everyones level is raised, and something worthwhile is created. Just don't take it too seriously or symbolically!


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-24 03:42:02)
something to be said for both sides...

Nick, there is something to be said for both sides, I think. [In fact for points along the entire spectrum, since William Taylor called my views extreme - not without some justification :) - so I suppose there could be moderate no-country views, moderate pro-country views, centrist views, 'no opinion' views' ... :)

All I am doing is presenting my P.O.V. - I don't insist that I am right - in fact I doubt that the views I expressed are absolutely correct... I would like to see diverse shades of opinion on this, and I presented mine, and I am glad you(and others) presented theirs.

My personal 'thank you' for posting..

P.S.: I watch all the important world cup (football - that is soccer) on the telly :)
I am not *that* consistent - nobody is, I suppose...


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-24 05:24:14)
re lennon/yko ono and chess...

Oh dear, quoting lennon's 'imagine' made me some sort a sitting duck but nobody's noticed it yet so I'll preempt that line of attack by pointing it out myself :)

I had forgotten, in the 'no more war' (that was the Vietnam war) sit-ins /bed-ins /exhibitions/ 'happenings' by Ono and Lennon, Yoko Ono had exhibited this sequence of chess sets where the two sides were indistinguishable --- or, more clearly, there was only one side - there was no 'Other'. [and only Yoko Ono 'playing']..

So, if I were to be consistent, I shouldn't be playing chess or any competitive game - against living beings at any rate - here or anywhere -:(

But, saved by something Thibault used to have on this site [I suppose it is still one of those quotes whose turn to be the 'featured quote' comes] - essentially, one is competing against oneself...

but woe! :(
If so, then once I have won a game [ie see the win clearly] why do I insist on actually completing the game, if I am 'only' competing against oneself?

I think I managed to score something which has the feel of an own goal ^^:-|


Don Groves    (2009-04-24 07:18:10)
Like over the board?

It isn't quite the same as OTB. In OTB, my opponent will know that I have denied his offer and will make his next move. On FICGS, the system says it is *my* move, not his! So, how does he make his next move when it is not his turn (although it should be)?

The "My moves" page is wrong and there seems no way to correct it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-25 02:58:14)
:o)

Do not worry, Don.. seeing our Go games, you still have all your head :) Anyway, the problem still does exist theorically, but I still think such draw offers shouldn't be considered.

Normajean, I'd love to understand all what you're writing here :) .. too bad that my english level is not so good (my general knowledge tambien ;) [actually general knowledge often looks like quite a waste of time to me (not exactly to justify myself [this is another debate :)])])


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-25 06:02:38)
I waive copyright for everyone ;)

Thib, I hereby waive copyright to everything I post here, whether in forums, chat, wikichess, problems, or any other place. I declare that waiver has retroactive effect; and that it places all the above in the public domain.

;)

Now everyone can quote my babblings to demonstrate what silly things I post.. ;)


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-25 06:12:32)
senility creeping up on me too, and..

Don, senility is creeping up on me too - whatever made me write Z[2+i*sqrt(5)] instead of Z[i*sqrt(5)]? - that is like writing 2 + 1/1 -1/1 without realising that that is 2 !

Thib, you can read the great *french* mathematician A. Grothendieck's seminal algebraic-geometry work EGA - it is in french, of course ;)


William Taylor    (2009-04-25 21:01:49)
39 responses

...and this will be the 40th. There's obviously lots of interest but we don't seem to be nearing a consensus. Perhaps it's time to make a decision, Thibault?


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-26 17:51:27)
to Don: re courtesy(contd.)

This is a continuation - to be precise, completion - of the post of mine earlier in this thread; the post titled 'Don, why is the tick box there, then?'.

I said in that post 'Some people are *not* courteous': and something stirred in my memory and I remember it now so It has to be said.

In the international chat box some months ago, I posted something about Goerge Orwell fighting in the Spanish civil-war - the anti-fascist-Iberian-uprising part of it, to wit - as part of P.O.U.M. - a marxist but independent-of-moscow (and soon crushed by Moscow) party which co-operated closely with the anarchists (CNT-FAI)(Confederación Nacional del Trabajo - Federación Anarquista Ibérica).

Well I only reached as far as the P.O.U.M. when *you* (Don Groves) interrupted by posting (in the international chat box) "what are you smoking, Normajean?"

Now, Mr Groves, I leave it to you to decide whether it is not *extremely* discourteous, not to say downright bloody rude, to innuendo that someone who [in fact] posted something above your intellectual level is therefore not making sense and is in fact on street drugs.

What I smoke or not smoke is my bloody business; the point here is that you are free to take the view find that all string-theory papers (just visit http://arxiv.org/) and so on are nonsense and therfore the authors and the referees are all on street drugs; and Hawkins and Penrose are, and Einstein was, on street drugs likewise (for it is commonly cranky *engineers* who tend to equate general relativity with its weak-field-limit/approximation);

But;

Since I haven't yet heard anything from you that has a hint of a modicum of apology for that *insulting* (or, on the least worst construction, extremely *partonising*) remark of yours; so:

People playing chess against you would be well advised to have clear rather than informal rules, because the evidence suggests that you are part of the 'be-gratuitously-rude' club.

In my opinion.

Thank you for reading this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-26 18:25:36)
courtesy

Hi Normajean,

As for me (and my extremely weak english), I'm not sure if all this is off-topic or not but most probably I could have said that myself, only meaning that your verve is really impressive on any subject (that's why I asked you for the quotes file), not a mockery. I hope you did not take it bad.


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-26 21:40:27)
Thibault, of course not! :)

I was happy, in fact! :) And thank you for your appreciation!

As far as the previous post is concerned, it is to remind Don Groves [he is 70 years old and probably doesnt realise when he is insulting / being patronising to people.

That's why if you think it is inappropriate, I request that you wait till Mr Don Groves reads it [or mail it to Mr Don Groves] before you delete that post (and this one)...

But Thib, even if you have to delete the posts, keep the first line of this post, please? - The line about my happiness and my gratitude to you! I am human after all and *need* some appreciation!


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-26 22:30:43)
re thib: from my other-thread post

from my post on the *other* 'draw offer' thread: (Thib youmised that one I think :))

<<Thib, you can read the great *french* mathematician A. Grothendieck's seminal algebraic-geometry work EGA - it is in french, of course ;)>>


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-27 00:17:39)
Thib; Grothendieck and vietnam..

Thib, at least, look up Grothendieck's solidarity with Vietnam: he first presented the new foundations of algebraic geometry (which later formed his book EGA) at a seminar in the jungles near Hanoi when the USA was saturation-bombing Hanoi (the guerrillas has shifted the university to the jungles for the seminar for Grothendieck's safely; Grothendieck did not want it but it was argued it that because of his presence the University might be "accidentally" targetted by the USA which might result in deaths of lots of people, not only him.)


Ranganathan Raman    (2009-04-28 01:07:11)
Poker Holdem when to hold?

what is hidden? for ex any game


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-28 09:12:25)
to Don:Ah well, if you dont recall it...

Mr Groves,
So you don't recall it; and then there is the fact that I thought *all* the chat-posts were available for recall if one clicked 'more messages' at the bottom of the chat column, but I saw that there was a cutoff there so unless *someone else* remembers or unless Thibault has the archives, I am in the unenviable position of not being able to prove it...

My memory says there was in fact no emoticon with your comment. But my present higher-than-the-usually-high blood-pressure plus a colitis-attack I am down with, means that I cannot be sure of that...

However, in my experience, my hypertension and the occasional colitis attack doesn't trigger the confabulation of a whole sentence like "what are you smoking"?

In view of the other interactions between you and me here I will let bygones be bygones; and I still would even were that chat-post still available...

However, I try to avoid *unnecessary* stress and complications in my life; so henceforth for my own protection I prefer to keep a safe distace from you, at least for a certain indeterminate cooling-off period. Thats fair enough, I think.




Normajean Yates    (2009-04-28 09:39:17)
and can we apply a closure now?

And can we apply closure to this affray now? This is my final post on the subject: you people can go ahead and have the last word or words: I will not respond to them. All this is giving me the sort of headache which risks worsening my colitis.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-04-28 14:50:51)
Smoke !!!

Hi, I do not smoke, but in a shop I bought a pair of pants made of hemp, very nice, the texture very similar to another natural fibre, linen.


Don Groves    (2009-04-29 00:03:49)
Normajean

You don't deserve mockery any more than I do for my senior moment of thinking that a move had not been sent with a draw offer. Let's just write it off to failing memories and let it rest there, bygone.


Normajean Yates    (2009-04-29 13:48:23)
Nick Burrows, great idea!

"Maybe you two can share a joint sometime? ;-))" - yes, that works.

Thib is a real sage; truly said Scott!

And Don,I agree "all we need is weed" - as long as it is not jimsonweed (Datura) - I tried it three times and I think that is two times more than one should in a lifetime... oh I dont know, some people *can* handle it, so who am I to advise them ? [in case any datura-veteran happens to read this]


Benjamin Block    (2009-04-29 16:24:46)
Filter in My tournaments?

I have a lot´s of tournaments played and it would be very funny if we can filter them. Like "Ended Tournamnets", "Tournaments with my games", "Runing Tournaments".


Scott Nichols    (2009-04-30 10:00:53)
Great improvement

I've been hoping for just such a button. When you've played many tournaments, the running tourney button is very nice, thanks Thibault.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-30 12:47:48)
Rated or unrated ?

Should this team tournament be rated or not in your opinion ? At a first sight it seems to me that high-rated players would think about playing twice as they can meet players with low ratings, but according to at least one of them I may be wrong on this...


Hannes Rada    (2009-04-30 19:16:18)
Wolfgang's retirement

Wolfgang, I am really shocked about your decision.
However I can understand, that from time to time someone needs a break from the daily chess analysis routine.
Although some of the positions look favourable for Xavier, I think that most of them could be defended.
I thought that according the rules games will not be rated if less then 10 moves are played.
So imho this match should be rated and we should not have any problem with Xavier's 2682 rating.

And we know also now the next WC:

Xavier Pichelin - Edward Kotlyanskiy !


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-04-30 22:45:51)
Search field

Not only, you may also search a line in Wikichess or a post in the forums by using it... (as far as I remember :))


Scott Nichols    (2009-04-30 23:58:53)
Rated or unrated?

I would play either way. Usually, I only will play rated, but I would think this format would work just as well unrated.

The theme I think is fun here, with fun names. I was thinking of all kinds of bizarre openings to try, but would need to think twice about opening choice if it was rated. It sorta goes back to Michael Aigner's point on unrated tournaments IMHO. Thank you for having this new style.

The incentive in rated games is simply not to lose points if you lose, or to gain points if you win. In team chess, this incentive is not needed. The incentive is that you do not want your teammates to beat you up if you lose. ;-)


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-05-01 00:02:15)
Rating or not

I just happened to be in the same situation in a wch semifinal against Dirk Ghysens : for some personal reason my opponent decided to withdraw.
All games were far beyond the 10th move.
Thibault decided that only two of the eight games should be kept for rating.
I do not understand why his decision seems to be completely different in the present case a few weeks later.


Don Groves    (2009-05-01 00:20:56)
game search

No, I stupidly tried the "Search games" menu item ;-)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-01 04:22:07)
only, searches dont give transpositions

Or do they, now? Have the hashtables been implemented? (in wikichess search and in game-search by movelist)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-01 07:10:41)
yes this (9 [half-]moves seems shortest.

I agree, doesnt look like it can be done sooner..


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-01 20:37:34)
transpositions

no, transpositions have not been implemented yet :/ patience, patience...


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-02 00:56:55)
I am patient !

- will remind once very 6 months :)

Another suggestion: let's some of us become free members of some online chess-games database site; so that we can post there to suggest including ficgs games - then transposition problem will be solved at least for completed games... just search that database site..

I use chesslab.com among others - I suggest some of us lobby chesslab.com for including ficgs games. After all, these are much higher-than-average quality as these are engine+human (=centaur) games...


William Taylor    (2009-05-03 01:36:13)
Team tournament ethics

Good question Don. In OTB team tournaments team members might help each other to prepare for an opponent before the game, but of course couldn't help during the game. I'm not sure if we'll know who our opponents are before the games have started here, so that approach may not be possible. It would be nice to have some sort of cooperation, but one thing that should be avoided IMO is a strong player getting 3 weaker team members and essentially playing their games for them.


Don Groves    (2009-05-03 06:30:36)
I agree...

... with that, William, and the only way to prevent it is to not allow any coaching during the games. Can we all agree on that?

However, before a game begins, team members may share information they may have on an opponent's prior games and tendencies.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-03 14:09:17)
First team : "The Dark Knights" :)

Name : The Dark Knights

#1 William Taylor-2140
#2 Scott Nichols-2089
#3 Don Groves-1991
#4 Josef Riha-1989

.. brr, frightening :) kind of Monthy Python tribute ?


About team tournament ethics, I don't think that the best player would play all moves for his team in any case, FICGS rules should still apply, I don't think it will be a problem, particularly in an unrated "for fun" tournament :)


Scott Nichols    (2009-05-05 04:09:49)
The "Theme"

You are missing the theme, it's not Batman, Darth Vader, or even Monty Python. It is how you will feel when trying to "see" into this teams strategy. You will see shadows of Bishops sliding in front of you, you will see Knights suddenly appearing behind you, you will see pawns at every turn wielding their swords of death. You will only feel the Queen's presence, something all powerful hidden behind the veils of darkness. You pray for some sort of light, but all you can see is a brief reflection before the axe ends your existence.


Don Groves    (2009-05-05 07:27:07)
The "Theme"

Scott, that sounds a lot like the Ninjas ;-)


Ranganathan Raman    (2009-05-06 01:49:46)
Our Team

1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648
2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396
any one join each country 4 members only


William Taylor    (2009-05-06 11:20:14)
Scoring

My slight preference would be for a more normal system such as 2 points for a team win, and 1 for a draw, with board points only being used for tiebreaks. (I think this could potentially lead to more 'team tactics' - for example, if you saw that one member of your team had an easy win and the other two games were likely to be drawn, you might opt for a safe line rather than going for wild complications - and if one game was going to be lost, you might head for the wild complications in an effort to win.)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-06 12:15:23)
Loss / Resignation

You mean here at FICGS or FIDE ? Here, resignation or loss is the same, all rating rules are here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


Vadim Khachaturov    (2009-05-06 16:14:00)
team tournament

Consider me in. I dont care whether it is rated or not. As to points score, we can do it in both ways: total points score and 2-1-0 points system. I would join any team with a big pleasure.


Ranganathan Raman    (2009-05-07 00:59:45)
Any one join team

TEAM NAME:Our Team
1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648
2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396
3.Sophie Leclerc
4.Benjamin Block
-------------------
5.Vadim Khachaturov
any one join each country 4 active members only



Sophie Leclerc    (2009-05-08 21:50:17)
summer breeze

I agree to join any team, as long as others can be okay.

who will be with them?


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-09 23:09:00)
names that sophie's post suggest:

('summer breeze' reminds me of that corny ?bee-gees song 'how deep is your love': that phrase featured prominently in that song) -- sickly-sweet-icky-yuck ;)

but invisibility: how about 'The Cheshire Cats'? [the grin...] - but it would be a bit out of place unless one had an all-Cheshire team -- most unlikely..


Sophie Leclerc    (2009-05-10 22:13:49)
For the move

He send me his move by e-mail, since I am his friend, I promise I would keep his account and play his on this site and inform him of his opponent sometimes I mess up and play badly a couple of his games or resign them, he grew angry at me...


I don't think our opponent will have any objection, they will just ask to not be stupid and to not play for him.

I can reconnize his account now, he set it in french..


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-11 02:07:31)
thoughts on Big Chess... and tips...

I find bigchess more and more fascinating.. I Think it is a wonderful creation of Thibault's (I presume it is Thib. who created it: any way he offers it seriously on this site...) - the starting position is very well-concieved..

I think Bigchess needs more publicity. This is about the only place one can play it - and here there are 2-3 top-class players; less than 20 middle-standard players (including me); others try it once or twice and for some reason get scared or overwhelmed and give up - I see no reason why..

Bigchess gives no advantage on account of huge memorisation of theory, or of better engines: there are *no* theory books; and there are no known engines in existence (probably there isnt one - too little demand, and writing a *good* engine is somewhat laborious, coming up with a *good* static-eval function is tricky, fast board-implementation issues...), so it is all wits...

In fact last week I spend part of two days writing down whatever theory I could discover [with help from top games], it comes to half a page..



Tips for people who want to try bigchess:

1. Bishops are much more powerful than Knights. (because of much longer range compared to 8x8 chess).

The consensus on the values of bigchess pieces is David Grosdemange's valuation:

pawn=1
knight=2.5 (written 2,5 in the continent, of course)
bishop=4
rook=6
queen=11


2. In the opening position, the c,f,L and o-pawns are unprotected.

So, if white's opening move is with the j2-Knight ( freeing the queen), then on move 2 white can move the Queen and threaten to pick up a pawn by forks.. Similarly for black.

*However*, such pawn gambits are quite playable because the Queen can be forced to make many moves to capture a pawn, while the gambitting side develops their pieces.



3. Most Important For Many People: board for offline analysis.

Best of course, is to take time to draw a 16x16 board on paper and stick it on cardboard. And get hold of four sets of chess pieces.

Another way: print a position, and after a move is made - just update the position using correction fluid (typewriter/printer-ink erasing fluid) or something. That way you don't have to keep printng a lot of positions.


Vadim Khachaturov    (2009-05-11 21:22:06)
Name

Ok,Sophie. But remember, You should do one more thing: give a correct name for our team.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-11 21:27:26)
Bigchess pieces values

Actually the value of the knight seems to change a lot during a game, according to the left pawns positions.

200 or 300 moves is not so much compared to a poker game (that can be over 1000), but some games may be really time consuming when the position gets really complex... Well, we play for this kind of fun after all ;)


Sophie Leclerc    (2009-05-11 23:36:33)
Names

All goes with the thème.

If we can call ourselves, the dragonriders, Assuming we play the sicilian dragon.
the phantoms, If we defend yugi's new opening, f4 c4 Nc3 Nf3, in any order. This name would give us more then invisbility, it tell our opponent that we will survive (you can't kill a ghost.)

Gambit lover, if we love to play gambit, it would suit us very well.

chess angels, if we are not too guilty, that would suit us, but I am very guilty....

Pterodactyl guild, if we play the system with white and black ( for black, c5, g6, Bg7, Qa5. Black radical way to prevent d4. You can't say they are not original.


Your choice.


Vadim Khachaturov    (2009-05-11 05:39:56)
team tournament

About Yugi or Daniel? We have one place only. Any of them two are ok. But for me, its better, when the player make his moves by himself.


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-12 01:15:30)
bigchess thoughts+tips, #3: R v B

[re Daniel Parmet's valuation in his post] - both are longrange pieces but:

1. a Bishop can reach only 128 squares, a Rook can reach all 256. (and all the other standard reasons why the R is [in general] much more powerful than the B, they carry over to bigchess eg a R can confine the opp's K to an edge; K+R v K is standard easy mate, etc.)

2. In 8x8 chess, once you have a semi-open file, one tries to 'boost' a rook up that file (even if one cannot reach the 7th file). This is much more common, and much more commonly advantageous, in bigchess, because one easily creates a 'quasi-semi-open' file by pushing a pawn 4-5 squares ahead, and boosts a Rook up this 'quasi-semi-open' file.

Hence, I feel that just as in 8x8 chess, the Rook is nearly twice as powerful as the Bishop in bigchess.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-12 22:34:06)
Team tourney : Players without a team

Players who would like to play in the team tournament but who don't have a team yet may announce themselves in this thread, I'll build the last teams myself if necessary by gathering as much as possible players with the same ratings...

Teams will be announced in this thread :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=7059

Join the fun :)


Daniel Parmet    (2009-05-13 05:36:13)
Team forming

I take it by Ilmar's statement above he has joined me!

Daniel Parmet 1961
Ilmar Cirulis 1805

Garvin Gray invited (awaiting his reply)

seeking 1 for sure!


Iouri Basiliev    (2009-05-15 10:39:54)
Yellow-Blue Warriors is a team now!

Iouri Basiliev
Dmytro Romaniuk
Ostap Hladky
Yura Lemehov


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-15 21:00:55)
yes, and:

no team is called 'the crusaders' so perhaps 'moudjahidienne' is not appropriate.. though I suggested the french spelling [I hope I got it right this time] becuse it reminds English-speakers of Algerian freedom fighters [the religious ones - iirc the term does *not* occur in Frantz Fanon's 'the wretched of the earth' nor in Sartre's famous introduction to that book] against France; and not the taliban-types - though when the mujahidin were fighting the *soviets* with US help [understatement], Nixon called them freedom-fighters..

I am not sure whether jihad means 'holy war' or just 'war' - in the latter case mujahidin would mean or would have meant warriors.. ('crusaders' - from the derivation from the cross, definitely meant holy warriors - I say 'meant' because to say 'mean' would be to commit the etymological fallacy (i.e. equating etymology with current meaning; which would make 'wife' a synonym of 'cow' or something iirc..)
Don (Groves), or anyone volunteering, please look it up --- I am so exhausted now I don't have the energy. Maybe in a couple of days - now I am suddenly curious about this - what does and did 'jihad' actually mean - does or did it necessarily have holy connotations?

The term itself is from pre-Islamic polytheistic Arabia, (Mohammed was *not* known for coining new words - that was *Shakespeare* (and later, Joyce ;)) strengthening my doubts..


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-16 04:01:40)
oh - right, Don!

yes I remember now - jihad <-> mujah-i-din : 'din' pronounced 'deen' = religion/faith.. [<-> = coomon root; I dont know what the root is - I purchased the Oxford english <->arabic dictionary but it is at present tedious for me to refer to because Ive to learn or look up the arabic alphabet first, in the arabic alphabetical order]

thanks Don -- (also, happy that my recent stupidity seems to have been really excused; I wrote that request to Don [to 'look it up' - i meant 'unless you know already' but forgot to put that in :)] with (apologies to Kiekegaard) 'fear and trepidation' ..


Sophie Leclerc    (2009-05-16 06:54:02)
Probleme Raman,

You won't play unless you have four.

And I assume you notice, I never agreed to join, you, in fact, I join other players.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-05-16 09:36:30)
Friedrich Schiller !!!

Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-17 03:09:39)
Don : point of etymology revisited!

Don Groves posted and I agreed:'"The Arabic suffix "uddin" or "idin" means "of the faith." Hence a mujahidin is a "warrior of the faith," or a holy warrior.'

Still havent gotten down to learning to use the oxford arabic-english dictionary, but:

Don, I'm afraid your derivation won't do - you might still be right, but not for the reason you gave.

You see, mujahideen is just the plural of 'mujahid', 'mujahid' = one who does 'jihad' [arabic and hebrew are both semitic languages: people who use the term 'anti-semite' often forget this (because of the nonscientific 'ham' and 'sam' myths thrown in - so like hebrew, arabic has this - root in the middle, and modification affects the root and possibly adds prefix and suffix.. i remember reading this in chomsky - linguistic paper not political)

Khatoon (= lady; no religious overtone here); plural Khwateen = ladies

Talib (=student); plural Taliban

Mujahid (='jihad'-doer); plural Mujahideen

So we are back to the question:

Etymologically speaking, does 'jihad' just mean war, or does it mean holy war? (the current meaning is a different question..)

On this point: until 2001 no one including me would see any problem in saying - such-and-such is a lone crusader for human rights (or for animal rights, or for the separation of church and state, or for whatever cause) - Bush-Cheney-Blair&co since ensured that the word 'crusade' became an avoidable word again..

Imagine reading the following sentence in 1999, and in 2009:

"Richard Dawkins has launched a *crusade* against all religions in general, and against christianity in paricular." ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-17 23:11:38)
Complete teams !

The team tournament should start very soon, complete teams are :


>> Yellow-Blue Warriors

Iouri Basiliev
Dmytro Romaniuk
Ostap Hladky
Yura Lemehov

>> Happy Pawn

Stephane Legrand 2209
Garvin Gray 2125
Daniel Parmet 1961
Ilmar Cirulis 1805

>> FSF En Passant

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270)
Volker Koslowski (2264)
Sebastian Boehme (2175)
Roland Markus (2096)

>> The Ghost Knights

Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden

>> The knights who say "Ni"

Michael Aigner - 2602
Xavier Pichelin - 2577
Hannes Rada - 2559
Thibault de Vassal - 2473

>> The Dark Knights

William Taylor - 2140
Scott Nichols - 2089
Don Groves - 1991
Josef Riha - 1989


Players without a team yet (one team is possible, with 3 more players, we could build one more) :

1. Ranganathan Raman
2. Alexander Blinchevsky
3. Stanimir Denchev
4. Benjamin Block
5. Murray Findlay


Did I forget someone ? So we have 6 complete teams + 5 players without a team.

We should be able to start the tournament in a few days ! :)


Don Groves    (2009-05-18 06:48:35)
Friedrich Schiller

"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Very good, Rodolfo.

It is said that two powerful forces battle for the fate of the world: (1) software writers who try to write idiot-proof software; and (2) the Universe, which keeps producing idiots.

So far, the Universe is winning.


Benjamin Block    (2009-05-18 15:14:20)
Forgoted one.

Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-07 00:59:45)
Any one join team

TEAM NAME:Our Team
1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648
2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396
3.Sophie Leclerc
4.Benjamin Block
-------------------
5.Vadim Khachaturov
any one join each country 4 active members only


It is 7 teams + 1 player without team.


William Taylor    (2009-05-20 19:58:59)
Only 1

Just the winner goes forward. You can see the rules here (scroll down a bit): http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-22 06:52:31)
comment on Thibault's quote..

Well not exactly a comment, but the following quote reminded me of a Woody Allen quote:

"War is the child of passion, passion is the child of narcissism and narcissism is the child. (...) Another game ? (Thibault de Vassal)" [ellipsis in the original]

"I used to be of the Hebrew persuasion, but lately I've converted to narcissism." - Woody Allen's persona in the film 'Scoop'.


William Taylor    (2009-05-22 07:28:56)
Different world championships

I qualified for FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_04__000004 from tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_07__000004, not tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_02__000005. However, I didn't win that tournament either - I came second.

My initial guess as to how I qualified from that one is that more than 1 player needed to qualify to make up numbers for the next round - it was quite a large group and I seem to remember reading something about that in the rules. Second guess - Vadim Khachaturov withdrew. Third guess - the large sum of money that I sent Thibault with an e-mail saying 'please let me into the second round' had the desired effect.

That answer is based on about 30 seconds' thought - I'll have a closer look when I get back from what I suspect will be a highly unpleasant physics exam.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-23 00:31:31)
1st team tournament : games & results !

A new thread to comment the games & results in the 1st FICGS team tournament that just started ! The teams are :

>> The knights who say "Ni"

Michael Aigner - 2602
Xavier Pichelin - 2577
Hannes Rada - 2559
Thibault de Vassal - 2473

>> FSF En Passant

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270)
Volker Koslowski (2264)
Sebastian Boehme (2175)
Roland Markus (2096)

>> The Dark Knights

William Taylor - 2140
Scott Nichols - 2089
Don Groves - 1991
Josef Riha - 1989

>> Happy Pawn

Stephane Legrand 2209
Garvin Gray 2125
Daniel Parmet 1961
Ilmar Cirulis 1805

>> Yellow-Blue Warriors

Iouri Basiliev
Dmytro Romaniuk
Ostap Hladky
Yura Lemehov

>> The Ghost Knights

Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden

>> The Knights with no name (yet)

Alexander Blinchevsky
Stanimir Denchev
Benjamin Block
Ranganathan Raman


You can follow the games here :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_1__000001
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_2__000001
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_3__000001
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_4__000001


Note : The first player displayed in each tournament table is not always the player of the first team because when the 1st & 3rd players of a team play White against another team, the 2nd & 4th play Black against the same team, this is not obvious to read (sorry).

I'm really sorry to the 2 players that were not included in a team, but we had to start the tournament now... The last team may still announce their name (provisional : "The knights with no name")

Have nice games :)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-23 07:50:33)
wikichess: extra goodies! but why ..

If you access wikichess *without* logging in; you will see the following extra goodies:

1. '... or enter a line' [below which is a form to enter an opening line for search]

2. 'Or find an opening in the chess openings directory.' [link to chess openings directory]

3.'Openings most analyzed :' [at present:] Traxler counter-attack, Latvian gambit, Kingston defense [all hypertext links]

These goodies are excellent! But Thib. has forgotten to make them available if you are logged-in. Thib, please rectify! (Or is there a reason why you have to be logged-out to access these? I can't think of any...)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-23 07:55:14)
the knights with no name - is fine!

Doesn't someone remember a film (long ago) called 'A horse with no name'? imdb doesn't list this film; but imdb is not infallible!


Alexander Blinchevsky    (2009-05-23 09:35:44)
The Knights with no name

I like this name too. Just remove "yet" in brackets ;)

Good luck for all teams in the 1st team tournament and a lot of thanks to you, Thibault!


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-24 01:03:57)
Scott Nichols: a song? could be..

could well be it was a song and it wasn't a film - I havent seen the film (if there was one) nor heard of the song: just that memories of 'auld lang syne' tell me there used to be *something* with this name -- or should that be 'with this no-name'? :)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-24 01:12:52)
oh I remember the song ! I've heard it!

I Scott's post too fast so I misread 'a band *in* America' for 'a band called America' - memory retrieved properly with a little bit of help from Scott! That was a fairly decent group, America - I mean, listenable...

Strange how mental association works at a subconscious level - why did I use the phrase 'auld lang syne' in my prev post? I think the subconscious went Scott [Nichols] -> Scottish -> Robert Burns -> Auld Lang Syne..


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-26 12:31:32)
Thib. - best wishes for site in these ..

.. recession times.Improvements, to-do lists etc. can wait if necessary.

I fell in love with the site at first sight - such a classy approach - not like some of the garish american sites.

So I hope that in these times of recession, there is no serious cash flow problems you are facing... I am sure all of us want this site to live long!

Again I say; improvements, to-do lists etc. can wait if necessary: please concentrate on cash flow [if there is a serious problem there] -- that is the practical thing to do. This site is excellent as it is now!

Again, best wishes to Thibault the person, and may ficgs live long!


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-26 17:30:46)
Thanks :)

There's no problem with to-do lists.. actually it is just absolutely necessary.. I can't think about everything. I still have many things to improve, this year I developped much more the "other side" of the site and this was very exciting, I learnt a lot while doing this.. that will be useful for future improvements and it brings more and more visitors [the current statistics are about +10% every week for a few months (that's good :))] on the server (I try to redirect as many as potential players as possible here).

Speaking of the server, I'm not afraid of crisis or whatever, the statistics are just better and better now, that helps the site to distribute Epoints (potential money) prizes. Almost nobody claims for real money prizes but that's the finality (to distribute money prizes in free tournaments).. There are plenty of "successful" sites on the internet that offer money prizes (or costly services) for free but all of them are built on unrealistic views IMO, so they implode or cheat in a way as soon as they encounter success. Most of us know about the Facebook case that still lose money. FICGS grew very slowly during 2 or 3 years but IMO it was based on realistic views so don't worry, the site will survive after both of us, I'll take care of that :)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-27 05:02:24)
Thank you Thib: and I am so relieved!

First, about the 'thank you' to Thib.: that is for responding :) Now, to business:

>Thib said: Speaking of the server, I'm not afraid of crisis or whatever, the statistics are just better and better now..

I am so relieved! Seriously.

>Thib. said: FICGS grew very slowly during 2 or 3 years but IMO it was based on realistic views..

Exactly! That was one of the first things I noticed when I discovered this site (early June last year, I think) - I phoned my partner [she and I were in different countries on that day; coincidentally, this month also..] - told her this site *will* survive, and chess.com will *not* survive [too much money wasted by Eric of chess.com even then] - [It was only in in May last year that I had noticed chess.com in its present incarnation (earlier it did *not* offer chess-*playing*, it was a chess-reference-material site only)

(My partner doesn't play chess but of course one doesn't have to be a chess-player to be interested in issues like this!)

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well chess.com has *technically speaking* survived; but there is a graded level of paying members [silver-gold-diamond-platinum-what not] - each year paying membership has to be renewed [I am a free member there; I don't play games there now except on special request :) ] -- and..

Guess what, chess.com in a few months intoduced a system that gave a *playing advantage* to paying members: the more expensive grade you are in, the greater the paying advantage. So, as far as correspondence chess is concerned, can chess.com be now considered a chess site?

(In fact I posted a thread there last year suggesting that they should introduce auction: at any time any of the opponents in a game can bid to win a game. [even if they have lone K against K+Q+Q+R :}] - then if opponent doesn't make a bigger bid then the bidder wins the game. Minimum bid € 20,00 :) (chess.com is a US site ;) )There was some heated discussion over it.. Eric (the site owner - he is a decent chap, all said and done) prudently stayed away from that discussion :)

I posted in various threads there also directly saying that chess.com is probably the only *chess* site where the more you pay, the greater advantage you have in a *game*. Is that chess?

None of the above is defamatory: it is obviously true for anyone to check - and clearly Erik silently agrees - well good luck to him...

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>Thib. said: so don't worry, the site will survive after both of us, I'll take care of that :)

:)
I am sure now that you will :) (but not because both of us will suddenly die tomorrow, I hope ;))



Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-27 23:17:28)
FICGS & chess.com

The example of chess.com is very interesting, I looked at this site (from time to time) growing very fastly, most probably because of investments for good SEO (search engines optimisation) - to start with the domain name - but it still looks like a MFA (Made For Adsense) website even if I'm sure that Eric made good work to offer plenty of services related to chess. Well, I did not check it for a while...

Speaking of auction at chess.com, that's a funny idea and I just wonder why I did not think about a system where you can bet some epoints at any time in any game... maybe I'll think about that, but that's not really important (the very large majority of players do not play for money but for the love of games only).


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-28 03:40:31)
Thib, my auction suggestion was sarcasm!

Thib. please read it again (the part where I suggested auction at chess.com - or you can loook at my thread on this there - it is called 'the best chess money can buy' ;)

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/the-best-chess-money-can-buy

(I am not sure whether the link works for members only or for everyone; anyway free membership is a 5-minute process..)

That was sarcasm! I meant this: suppose you are left with K+Q v K. Sure win for you, no? At least you can't lose, even on time (insuff. material) ? Now my sarcastic suggestion was that: opponent bids €20 for the game, now if you cannot bid higher then opponent *wins* the game automatically!

Of course I thought until yesterday that no chess site will offer *that* kind of auction! but you said:

>Speaking of auction at chess.com, that's a funny idea and I just wonder why I did not think about a system where you can bet some epoints at any time in any game...

Surely *you* don't want *that* kind of auction here, do you? ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-29 20:09:04)
EGF rating list

To all european Go players who could be interested, the European Go Federation rating list moved from :

http://gemma.ujf.cas.cz/~cieply/GO/gor.html

... to :

http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/EGF_rating_system.php

EGF ratings should be updated more frequently.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-01 15:25:49)
Withdraw from waiting list

Hello Hristos, you cannot do it by yourself on the server but I can arrange that, feel free to send me an email specifying the waiting list.


Hristos Banikas    (2009-06-01 18:04:10)
All

I would like to withdraw from all the waiting lists with my name temporarily. That is to say both class GM and SM.
Regards


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-01 19:37:02)
Done

Your name has been removed from both waiting lists !


Scott Nichols    (2009-06-03 03:09:30)
Chess is dead? Not hardly.

In his book "The world of chess" by Anthony Saidy the following paragraph appears. "Later in his (Capablanca) career, his play became ever more technical and drawish. He expressed the idea that with the perfection of modern knowledge it would soon be impossible to win a game against a master. Chess would soon reach a "draw death". He even proposed interchanging the initial positions of the Bishops and Knights to inject new life into the game."

An exact quote found earlier in this same book exemplifies more of what this thread is about---In reply to a Steinitz comment Tchigorin replied "Chess is a limitless forum for the human imagination. Each position is a fresh challenge. Rules and book openings, to the creative player, are no more than guidelines to be transcended. Individualize. Each position is new--terra incognita that may contain the seed of a beautiful combination. Gladly give up a pawn in return for the attack. Play chess with joy."


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-03 17:15:24)
At most...

I agree tambien, of course. At most, some positions are "dead", really easy to understand perfectly.

True, it is not so easy to throw some fire on the board in real games at a high level, so in correspondence chess games, but every good player know he has to (if he wants some chances to win at least), so this is the main part of the game nowadays, and when there's fire on board the complexity of the position may be sometimes far away from human and/or chess engines understanding. The problem is that human nature make us reproduce known positions much more than unknown ones, unlike chess engines, that's why computer games are not so often draws and may be really funny to watch !


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-03 19:35:22)
Thib. excellent point re human nature...

"The problem is that human nature make us reproduce known positions much more than unknown ones" - excellent point! So many opening variations, you will still find no mention, or something abou 'there is little match-experience with this position'.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-03 19:59:43)
Dead positions/openings

Good (and so large) question, Hannes... I did not exactly mean "openings", this is really beyond my own understanding already :) .. I did mean some endgames (which can be the end of a few openings, at move ~25) in example... On openings, I prefer to be really careful as e.g. there are some really interesting lines (incredibly complex) in Berlin's defence or Petrov's -russian- opening, whose reputation is/was to be drawish.

This could be an interesting debate, does anyone else have some elements on this ?


Hannes Rada    (2009-06-03 22:28:52)
Openings very important for corr chess ?

Well about 3 weeks ago I had a discussion with Austrian's only ICCF world champion.
And he told me that in his next world championship final he is going to chance his opening repertoire completely. Instead of 1. e4 which he prefered so far, he is now going to play another move (1.d4 most probably), because after years of studying chess his conclusion is now that 1.e4 is the weakest choice (compared to 1. d4, 1. Nf3, ...)
The same 'ideology' was also published by former ICCF World Champion Hans Berliner in his book "My System".
.
Dead Endgames: This is another interesting topic to be discussed ....


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-04 00:45:17)
Consecutive draw offers verbally refused

This may be an issue : Should there be a rule on consecutive draw offers verbally refused in a chess game (which may be considered as impolite in some cases, justified in some others) ?

What do you think ? Do you know how this is ruled in other organizations ?

As for me, I have no strong opinion yet on this subject... Maybe we could only add something in the rules without any consequences on the game, just like a complement to the netiquette that players could refering to, but it may not solve the problem in some rare cases.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-06-04 01:44:44)
Draw offers

Tribault I do not know how it is addressed in other sites. But clearly you need to be careful where you tread here. Repeated draw offers seems on the surface rude. I have not seen the game, but according to Nick Burrows he feels he has winning chances and hence has refused the draw offers. That is clearly his right. If this evaluation is accurate the the repeated offers are in very bad taste.
I do not know if you have a review structure here for handling complaints. Having said this it is best if this site just runs on its own without intervention. Maybe extreme abuse should be reviewed. I dunno
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-04 03:07:40)
Cuban flag

As long as it respects the ISO norm, there's no problem with that, feel free to email me if you want to change your country flag.


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-04 08:40:10)
another suggestion: draw offer+timeout

another suggestion: suppose *I* make a draw offer and then *opponent* runs out of time; in such a case *my* draw offer is automatically deemed accepted by *opponent*: the result is recorded as a draw.

Or maybe this: giving a disadavtage only to repeated-draw-offerers:

Above rule, but only applied if it is *not* my *first* draw-offer in the game: i.e.:

In a game between player A and player B; if player A make a draw offer and in response player B runs out of time; and further, if there have been two draw offers in the game by player A such that player B has *not* made a draw offer between the said two draw offers by player B; then the draw offer of player A is automatically deemed accepted by player B: the result is recorded as a draw (instead of player B losing on time).


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-06-04 10:01:38)
re

Offering a draw is one thing, offering a draw in several consecutive moves is another. I would think that is harassment, especially when the other player has answered politely he thinks he has chances. Harassment should be fought.

I remember a case in FIDE tournament, where one player would offer a draw with each move. The player was first warned by referee, and when he didn't stop, was expelled from tournament.

One could argue if consecutive draw offers in correspondence chess should still be considered harassment, but it is still irritating to say the least.


Garvin Gray    (2009-06-04 10:27:27)
hmm

This seems odd and if the server does automatically award the draw in this situation you describe, then it goes against the fide laws of chess.

The player has to agree to the draw for the game to be concluded as such. If the player runs out of time before agreeing to a draw, then they have lost.

It seems pretty cut and dried to me.


Philip Roe    (2009-06-04 17:35:08)
Hypothetical case

Suppose that my opponent has a tricky move coming up, but I know that I can defend against it. Because I assume that they have seen both the move and the defense , I offer a draw.

They play the move anyway, thinking that I might not find the defense. But I defend correctly and offer the draw again.

Nothing evil has happened, but this sequence of events would be forbidden by some proposals. It seems to be an over-reaction to make elaborate rule changes in response to an isolated incident.


Hannes Rada    (2009-06-04 21:56:51)
Dead Endgames

Thibault, you are talking about endgames in this connection.
Do you mean for instance the famous rook endgames, which are always a draw according to Tarrasch :-)
And it is true, there are so many rook endings which cannot be won, with extra material. Even with 2 extra pawns ....
I had 2 times a position with K + R + f+h Pawn, against K + R which is a theoretical draw. Sometimes chess can be really unfair. You are playing much better than your opponent, you manage to to achieve material advantage of 1 or 2 pawns, but the rook endgame is still a draw ...
Here is a proposal against the broad draw corridor
http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/reformedchess.htm
http://www.iccf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3618&page=5


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-05 03:07:37)
oh then minor technical change...

instead of the game having been drawn automatically, referee *adjudicates* it as a draw.

This ensures that fide rules are not violated, because a game result *can* be changed by adjudication: for example:

Suppose OTB, immediately after a game is over, the winning player is found to have a hidden transciever with a *log* showing that moves *were* transmitted and move-suggestions *were* recieved. And the player breaks down in tears and admits to cheating: pleading for leniency - not in re that particular game, but for a shorter ban-from-tournaments than s/he expects to get. In this case, at the very least the game would be readjudicated as a loss for said player, no?

Also, on ficgs the 50-move rule is not implemented; so a game won here which would otherwise be drawn under the 50-move rule - wouldn't *that* violate fide rules? For corr chess, it is more iecc/iccf than fide - fide will come around :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-05 13:13:41)
"reformed chess", "improved chess"

Speaking of rook endings, of course some -maybe most- are dead or at least understood positions, some are very complex for the human brain... I don't think chess is so unfair even with 2 pawns more, every good player has to know the endgames theory, that's the most important part of the game IMO (at least when learning), such draws only show that one didn't manage to complexify the game enough.

Nice ideas in these links Hannes, and there are many others even without changing the way the pieces move (e.g. time handicap..) but it is harder in correspondence chess. Actually we may regret that chess is chess in this current version. As chess rules are everything but "natural", it could have been different, maybe it should have been. It is too late to change anything now because most people want to play the same game than Fischer and Spassky :) .. History prevails, even very intelligent recent games like Blokus will never be the king of the game.

By the way does anyone know about the drawish problem in Xiangqi and Shogi ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-05 14:02:03)
draw offer+timeout

There's no problem with violating FIDE rules as long as it is the best choice for correspondence chess (ie. 50 moves rule), on this suggestion for these rare cases, the player should accept the draw himself in my opinion to deserve the result but well, if most players think that's a good idea, I may change that.


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-05 14:17:11)
no no 50-move rule shouldnt be there..

in correspondence chess - Thib. you were right not to implement the 50-move rule - please don't!

Hey people, don't you want to announce tablebase-mate in 132 with distance-to-conversion 98? If the 50-move rule is implemented, you'll never get that chance!


Benjamin Block    (2009-06-05 17:19:42)
Opening not too importent.

1.e4 is still possible and will be it a long time more. The problem is that many players are afraid of new variants and it is why they think the move is draw.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-08 14:55:49)
1.f4 d6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7

We'll try it in a thematic tourney soon...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-08 21:19:20)
New feature : Silent mode !

Due to several problems caused by a few players recently (mainly insults in private messages), I just created a "silent mode".

Every player who will not respect the FICGS general rules & netiquette may be placed in this mode for a certain time or permanently, that way the player can play games and enter new tournaments but it is no more possible to send messages to other players (or receive messages with moves) by any way, this is the only way to avoid troubles in tournaments.

I'm very sorry to anyone who received such messages and I'll take care to avoid and prevent this in the future.

My best wishes,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-08 22:29:42)
Vacation : now 45 days per year

I think that it will be a good news for most of us !

As it seems that many players have problems with the rapid time control, mainly in championships, and as the championships period has changed (more than 6 months if necessary), I decided to change the days of vacation per year to 45 days instead of 30 days previously.

This should avoid some games to be lost on time and a few players to forfeit all their games because of the time pressure.

This change applies immediately, so everyone now has 15 days of vacation more.

Have a nice time :)


Scott Nichols    (2009-06-08 22:31:29)
Long time coming.

This is definitely needed for a very small % of players. Congrats on another fine improvement.


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-09 00:40:56)
Thanks a lot! Much appreciated!

30 days / year can be exhausting. Specially, then, there is a tendency not to take unrated games seriously, so e.g. quality of thematics (and hence opening theory development) suffers.


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-09 00:46:06)
I haven't faced this at all here, but -

I haven't faced this at all here; didn't expect members here to behave like that - it looks like once you have more than a certain number of members, then statistical laws start applying: the small expected percent of insulters goes above 1, ...

Good step. I didnt even know this problem had turned up here!


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-06-09 16:44:33)
Vaction

Hi Tribault. Has this really been a problem ?. I guess a few isolated instances have happened. The change is no problem with me. I believe it will overall tend to slow a percentage of games down.
I guess I would not have initiated the change ( not a popular notion).
Well I am known to speak my mind, no offense intended
Wayne


Sophie Leclerc    (2009-06-09 22:56:31)
the opening

actually, I did not, Yugi played that system to me to me with black piece and I let him build a big pawn,, it was too late for me.

This opening is the same thing as his but with one extra tempo..

White can go in a number of way..
I am waiting to see plenty of thingss, will you play a bird or an enlish ?

Thanks thibeault


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-10 02:07:26)
1.f4 ? 2.c4

It seems to me I tried it in some blitz games against a stronger player a long time ago without great success :)


Garvin Gray    (2009-06-10 09:49:40)
change to rapid time control.

For the rapid games, I think the issue is the 1 move per game increment.

Perhaps having the time control as 20 days plus 3 days per move would be easier for people to manage and it guarantees that a player will have at least three days per move.


Marc Lacrosse    (2009-06-10 11:08:12)
Garvin : I do not agree

"For the rapid games, I think the issue is the 1 move per game increment. Perhaps having the time control as 20 days plus 3 days per move would be easier for people to manage and it guarantees that a player will have at least three days per move."

This is simply turning "rapid" games into standard ones !

If you feel that the one-day increment is too short then do enroll in standard tournaments

For what regards myself I already stated that I prefer a small number of fast games over a larger number of slower ones (this is even the reason why I more than once declined to play in advanced wch tournaments that were supposed to begin simultaneousy with other competitions I am in).

Just my two cents.

Marc


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-12 09:04:06)
1.Nf3 and 1.Nc3: hyper-hyprmodern?

In the 1950-60s larry evans once wrote that 1.Nf3 and 1.Nc3 will be the openings of the 21st century. [in 'New Ideas in Chess (1958)' IIRC]. Well not even 9 years have passed, so...

(The 1st century began on 1 AD (retroactively) as there was no 'year 0'. So the 21st cent. began in 2001.)

[2001 joke: y2k+1 problem: how to provideemployment to people who were trained only to deal with the y2k problem :)]


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-12 21:55:31)
graphics for ratings: where are they???

The international chat mentions graphics for ratings. Where are they? I can''t find them anywhere!


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-13 12:40:30)
I can c the grafix 4 feat. member only

Of couse I can see the ratings-grafics for 'featured member' at any given time - is that what was being dicussed in the chats?

[sorry for teenage-texting-type heading: that was to fit in the message ;) ]


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-14 12:22:10)
serious researching the Kings Gambit!

at ficgs. Three consecutive thematics: #81, 82, 83 are King's Gambit!

That is very welcome!


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-15 00:47:48)
Wilhelm, there is a rating bar...

There is a rating bar [relative to the last modifier] So I am not allowed to contribute to many lines either! And it makes eminent sense! I *don't* want to be allowed to erase a 2600+'s opinion and substitute mine!

But uncharted territory is always open - just try: you *can* contribute in uncharted territory! That is, you an always create a new wikichess entry. And the *creator* of an entry can always modify it later: creators are exempted from the rating bar.


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-15 00:50:12)
Ulrich, enter and try it!

Enter and try it in a KG thematic, as I said! We are all trying kg lines in the thematics, instead of posting them to be answered here ;) We get a much more convincing answer by playing it!


Garvin Gray    (2009-06-15 16:57:01)
Freestyle tournaments

It has been a long while since this style of tournament was attempted on here. When will the next one be organised?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-16 14:17:09)
To Garvin

1) Quite strange... is there the same problem for other players ?

2) Did you try to click the magnifying glass just after the name of the tournament (on the tournament page only) to see the crosstable ? Not perfect but better, most probably.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-16 22:25:51)
E-mail notification

You mean that a "digest" (1 email for all moves per day) or max. 1 email per day would be more convenient for you ? Maybe I can add such an option in the future even if I'm not sure that many would use it. (?)


Daniel Parmet    (2009-06-17 05:46:11)
Recommend

Robert I recommend you configure your own email filters/folders etc to do whatever it is you desire.


Robert Gally    (2009-06-17 18:17:09)
First!

Thibault, that would be great actually!

Don, All he has to do is check 'last logged in timestamp' if there is a 2nd e-mail after that time, don't send it! Doesn't matter if I read it, just that I have too many in my inbox without having come here to make a move!


Daniel, I have no idea how to configure a filter to accept 1 message of a certain subject, but not any others until the first is deleted... sounds way to complicated for gmail to attempt!


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-19 05:42:42)
Lynx? needs cursor keys. Old lynx!

or violawww! graphics and point-and-click browsers are for wimps; you want to others download graphics uuencode them and let people download them using gopher! ...


Michael Aigner    (2009-06-21 22:44:42)
Suggestion for thematic tourny

I am interested in the Cochran Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sf6 3.Sxe5 d6 4.Sxf7)
and would be happy if we could play a thematic tourny with this opening - some day.

All the best,
Michael


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-21 23:02:23)
Cochrane gambit

It is now planned to be the 86th thematic tourney !

By the way it has been played before, see :

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000031
FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000030


Arno Bezemer    (2009-06-23 16:14:50)
waiting lists 2400+

For months now i see 4 players in the +2500 waiting list and 3 in the 2400-2800 waiting list. If there are no objections i suggest we combine the two groups.
Best regards,
Arno


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-23 17:00:16)
Strange Joseki

GoPosition (see diagram)

(reminder : see Help to know how to post a diagram)


Hi Ulrich, that's why I like Go :) .. It reminds me certain gambits in chess.. theorically inferior (actually I'm not even sure here) but if you don't know the lines, you're done !

Don Groves played this joseki against me a few weeks ago (games 30935 & 30934) for the first time, obviously it is very interesting against a player who did not experience it before... If White plays q3 or q17 after that (which I did), he may have no space enough quickly and Black may build big shapes. Well, I'm not strong enough to bring an interesting comment on this joseki anyway, maybe Mikhail can share some ideas on this :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-23 17:11:00)
waiting lists 2400+

Hello Arno,

5 months for the next class SM tournament is quite long indeed. I may ask to all players in the waiting lists but in my experience I doubt that everyone will agree and it would be not fair that I take such a decision without asking.

Summer is not the most active season for chess but most players register for new tournaments just after the new rating list is published (next week, july 1st) so let's see... moreover the next WCH cycle will not start before november so I hope that a few players will register for this tournament.

To be continued.


Arno Bezemer    (2009-06-23 18:48:35)
waiting lists 2400+

Thanks for your quick reply Thibault,
I'll be patient


Alejandro Suarez-Moreno    (2009-06-24 00:43:28)
Strange joseki do it by a good player

Hi Ulrich and Thibault,
this joseki present a good problem. Black stones are ready to form a big shape on the right side and white have to decide "a fast fight for these corners or a strategical fight for zones of influence". I played many games with Don Groves and his style is strong. Maybe he is not dan player, but you'll have to fight very hard for the victory against him!
On the diagram I prefer 4...o16, or 4...r10. The invasion to back corner still remain possible and black attention have to put here during many plays.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-24 19:06:32)
Future thematic tournaments

Thanks everyone for your nice suggestions, so we'll have :


Anti-Moscow gambit, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 dxc4 7.e4 g5 8.Bg3 b5 :

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000088


Sicilian Dragon, 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 :

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000087


Daniel Parmet    (2009-06-24 21:53:18)
thematics rock

I'm down for 86 and 88!!

I would also suggest Alekhine's and Benko for future ones


Alejandro Suarez-Moreno    (2009-06-24 23:18:06)
Strange Joseki

Hi Don, I accept your invitation to discuss the strategy over your joseki.

I don't like to invade suddenly the black corner. If we play q3 then you have to play very exactly. White stones are in dangerous and black can use it to gain influence toward the center and, in the same time, try to kill the white dragon. I remember the comentary of Thibault: "may have no space enough quickly" and I believe him!

But r10 try to avoid this situation and white can make a basis to attack the black shape on top board or fight in the center.

Maybe Ulrich and Thibault can tell us the strategy of play q3.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-06-25 04:38:46)
Thematics ...

Also if it is possible I would like the Ponziani and the 4 horses


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-25 06:01:09)
Benko, definitely!

After KG thematics (#81-83) there was supposed to be benko gambit thematic, no?

#89 - benko gambit: I second Daniel's proposal (actually the original Banko suggestion was made by someone between 20-24 May I think.. if it was not Daniel then I am the third person to request Benko.)


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2009-06-25 20:42:58)
About thematic Volga

We had recently one: FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000059


Normajean Yates    (2009-06-25 21:39:33)
Oh ! Thanks!

Thanks for pointing it out, Mr/Ms Russi Román!

I should have just search for benko/volga games (in the standard move-order) to check if a benko thematic has been held... Thematics #3, #58 and #59 were benko (volga) gambit thematics.


Joey Hung    (2009-06-26 04:36:10)
Go Summer Camp at Fremont, CA.

Joey's Go School is hosting Go Summer Camp at Fremont, CA from 6/25-8/28/09. Checkout http://www.egogames.com for details.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-26 20:41:19)
First Results

Table 2 : Nichols - Denchev : 1-0
Table 3 : Rada - Leclerc : 1-0 , Rada - Boehme : 1/2 , Groves - Parmet : 1/2
Table 4 : Orden - de Vassal : 0-1 , Markus - Orden : 1-0 , Orden - Lemekhov : 0-1 , Orden - Riha : 0-1

To be continued.


Robert Mueller    (2009-06-28 12:21:19)
I agree ...

... with Arno Bezemer here. I am one of the three players in the 2400+ group. Having waited for 5+ months for this event to start, I would very much like to see the 2400+ and 2500+ event put together.


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-07-02 11:56:00)
Chucky

Ivanchuk lost a lot of rating points, but it would have been OK if FIDE had recognised a tournament he won convincingly, in which case he would have had almost 30 points more. Perhaps this is a hidden punishment from FIDE for Ivanchuk's doping incident during the chess olympiad in Germany earlier this year.

Pity how politics can influence our game.


Normajean Yates    (2009-07-03 01:38:27)
The Scheming Mind

I provided a quote from Arthur Conan Doyle where Sherlock Holms says that excellence at chess is a mark of a scheming mind.

Voila, there is a correspondence site called 'the scheming mind', and its motto is precisely that quote!

http://www.schemingmind.com/ . This offers some variants also; it is the only site I have seen which offers the 7th century persian chess 'shatranj' at correspondence time controls.. [engines won't help in that one!]


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-03 01:55:36)
The Scheming Mind

This is a well known website ! I did not know how to play "Shatranj", but it is fully explained on Wikipedia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatranj

Maybe it is worth a try.


Hannes Rada    (2009-07-03 13:52:10)
Match vs. Scheming Mind

Maybe we should try a FICGS vs. Scheming Mind match :-)


Normajean Yates    (2009-07-03 14:03:22)
ficgs v 'the scheming mind' ..

well 'the scheming mind' seems to be a no-engines no-tablebases site. But, for ficgs v 'the scheming mind' engine-use a matter of negotiation..


Nick Burrows    (2009-07-04 07:55:18)
Minimum rating idea

A common problem encountered in correspondance chess is that of strong players forefitting several games and their rating dropping by hundreds of points

This spoils the tourny for lower rated players who often have a 2200 rated player in their group with a misleading rating of 1600.
It also de-stabilises the ratings across the whole site as many players grades are false.
Lastly, and of least concern because players who made the drop deserve some handicap - the artificially low-graded player has a whole year of uncompetitive matches as he waits to regain points.

In o.t.b tournaments in England, a method employed to stop rating cheats is that a player who has won a certain class of tournament previously, cannot re-enter at that level.
The equivalent here would be that your rating has a minimum value, equal to the highest rating requirement of a tournament class you have previously won.

This seems to solve the problems experienced by many on this site.

It may be said that the rating drop is a necessary deterrent to prevent players from doing this. My experience is that it occurs from factors out of one's control (illness) and any deterrant is irrelevant - just as a death penalty doesn't stop heroin addicts from stealing!

What d'yall think?


Nick Burrows    (2009-07-05 16:12:04)
rating drop

I suppose that is the best way to do it. Even a drop from 1993 > 1600 seems a little too big to me. I think this one whole class drop should be the absolute maximum drop allowed.


Nick Burrows    (2009-07-05 16:16:49)
Recent groups

It actually seems the norm rather than the exception that the lower groups are 'stacked' with at least 1 or 2 ex-2000+ rated players with low ratings

In my first Class C group after my rating drop there were 4 of us battling it out!


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-05 23:14:20)
Interesting idea

"In o.t.b tournaments in England, a method employed to stop rating cheats is that a player who has won a certain class of tournament previously, cannot re-enter at that level."

I quite like the idea in this way. Maybe it can be improved even without complicating the rules too much. Anyway if someone wants to make trouble in some tournaments (it did happen), there's no perfect way to prevent him and it is better in class B or A (2000+) than in class 2400+ IMO.


William Taylor    (2009-07-08 00:04:04)
Shatranj

Shatranj is offered at live time controls on ICC (www.chessclub.com) and I've played quite a few games of it there.
The match vs igame.ru was fun so a match vs Scheming Mind could be too.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-08 15:05:34)
Kasparov meets Obama

This is quite a surprise to me already, Barrack Obama met former chess world champion Garry Kasparov and other opposition leaders in Russia !

Nobody knows exactly what has been said during this meeting but the site Theotherrussia.org provided a full transcript of United Civil Front Chairman Garry Kasparov’s statement to president Barack Obama and an interesting interview of Garry Kasparov... The name of the forgotten Khodorkovsky appears several times.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5562

A good summary could be : "Obama seems like a man who doesn’t try to solve problems that don’t have solutions. He saves his energy and political capital on realistic goals. If there’s a big obstacle he simply takes it off the table and deals with what can be done." (Garry Kasparov)


Normajean Yates    (2009-07-09 04:25:46)
icc offers live shatranj, that's why...

that's why I said 'theschemind mind' is the only site i knew that offers correspondence-time-control shatranj...

(should have made it explicit - anyway William Taylor has now...)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-09 23:20:06)
Men versus women

"(...) gender stereotypes can have a greatly debilitating effect on female players leading to a 50% performance decline when playing against males. Interestingly, this disadvantage is completely removed when players are led to believe that they are playing against a woman. This may, in part, occur because women choose a more defensive style when playing with men."

A must read article (at least funny) !

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5567

What do you think ? :)


Normajean Yates    (2009-07-10 20:04:24)
chomsky quote from above article..

"
The Obama administration announced that it would appeal the ruling, thus placing Obama's Department of Justice "squarely to the right of an extremely conservative, pro-executive-power, Bush 43-appointed judge on issues of executive power and due-process-less detentions," in radical violation of Obama's campaign promises and earlier stands.
"

(For those who prefer sound-bytes: that gives:
"Obama is well to the *right* of the Bush administration." - Noam Chomsky)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-11 22:28:25)
Results

Table 1 : No results

Table 2 : Nichols 2

Table 3 : Rada 1.5 , Boehme 0.5 , Groves 1.5 , Parmet 0.5 , Hladky 3

Table 4 : Markus 1 , de Vassal 1 , Riha 2 , Lemekhov 2


Quite good for the Dark Knights so far :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-13 17:03:23)
Rules (reminder)

If a team scores 4-0 or 3-1 against another team, it is 2 points for the winning team and 0 for the other one, 1 point for each team if the score is 2-2.

So we still have to wait to see significant results. I'll publish clear results here as soon as possible.


Klearchos Loukopoulos    (2009-07-14 21:47:18)
withdraw, me too!

Would it be possible to be removed from

FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000086

thematic chess, first moves : e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7.

Just this one, not the other one that is currently on nor the other, for which I'm still in the waiting list.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-15 13:23:38)
Withdraw

Hello Klearchos, you've been removed from the waiting list !


Don Groves    (2009-07-21 09:17:54)
K vs. O

I heard that Obama won a chess game between them but that Kasparov got even by beating Obama in 1-on-1 basketball.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-24 11:56:27)
Draw offers

Hi William, quite true. Don's proposal is ok but not automatic... I do not remember if PGN notation includes this case, but if it does, I may envisage this change.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-24 11:57:47)
Spam

This is one of the most common spam on the internet nowadays... Obviously, concurrence is hard for them :)


Don Groves    (2009-07-24 07:13:41)
Draw offers

Hi, William -- you can make notes to yourself in the Private Message box below each game. I've used this to record my thoughts against those who move very slowly. I have two games that began in November. No way could I recall what I was trying to do earlier in the game.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-24 12:01:41)
Rybka 4

I did not experience it (I couldn't anyway) but it should be fixed for all multi-core users in Rybka 4 which is planned to be out in a few months, if I remember well.


Klearchos Loukopoulos    (2009-07-24 18:01:32)
vacations question

Hi all,

I just took a vacation but when I see my games I can still see the clock ticking and removing time available. Is that normal?

Cheers,

Klearchos


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-27 15:48:45)
Game won on time

Hello Caetano,

Yes, there was a small problem (a bad update) with the robot during the last two or three days and I was not able to connect to internet during this time. It is fixed now.

Thanks :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-07-28 19:35:16)
Tournament Entry Rating (TER) history

Hello all,

A new feature, now you can see graphics for your correspondence chess, advanced chess, big chess, Go (weiqi) and Poker Holdem TER history.

To see your TER history, several ways :

1) Direct link with username :
http://www.ficgs.com/players/devassal_thibault/history.html

2) Direct link with member id :
http://www.ficgs.com/display_history.php?member=1

3) Preferences : Click the magnifying glass then click History


Why a TER history ? Because TER are more significant (and less numerous) than every rating changes for most games.


Caetano Langaro    (2009-07-27 06:44:26)
Game won on time

Hello!

Is there a problem with the robot that adjucates games? I have a game (32446) that should have been adjudicated but waited for days and nothing happened.

Well... tks for attention!

See ya!


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-01 22:28:54)
Maxime Vachier-Lagrave wins Biel 2009

Finally, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave emerged from the 2600 GM field to convincingly win the top tournament of Biel, a category 19 double round robin tournament, ahead of super GMs like Vassily Ivanchuk, Alexander Morozevich or Boris Gelfand. At eighteen and with a FIDE rating of 2703 he may be the next french good surprise in the top class players and bring some fresh blood in such tournaments. Does anyone have an opinion on his style of play or something ? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-04 17:29:51)
Quote festival, part 6

Maybe this is time to start a new quote fest, what do you think ? :)

As a reminder, you're encouraged to post your own quotes about anything, but do not forget that you may enter the FICGS quotes file then ;)

"Always remember: He will blunder for sure, but he may play like a genius as well."


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-04 19:20:34)
Karpov vs. Kasparov rematch

You are probably aware of this promising rematch between former world chess champions Anatoly Karpov and Garry Kasparov. (Valencia - Spain, september 21-24, 2009)

What do you think about the possible games ? Is Karpov now too old, is Kasparov able to concentrate on chess only again ? What can be their state of mind during such a match, 25 years after their first match that became legendary... It should be a great event anyway, maybe even more interesting than the last FIDE chess championships. (By the way I don't know if there will be sponsors and/or prizes)


Nick Burrows    (2009-08-05 13:13:03)
quotes

"Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water.
Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend."
- Bruce Lee

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."-Mark Twain

No one should allow his mind to be a vehicle for others to use; He who does not direct his own mind lacks mastery. Ono who is looking for a reward is smaller than the reward; One who has renounced a thing has risen above it. So long as one has a longing to obtain any particular object, one cannot go further than that object.
- Hazrat Inayat Khan

Be who you are, and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. -Dr. Seuss

Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
- Frank Outlaw


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-05 17:16:53)
Bruce Lee quotes

I did not know the quotes by Bruce Lee, so I looked for more :) Among the best I found :

"Life is wide, limitless. There is no border, no frontier."

"The meaning of life is that it is to be lived, and it is not to be traded and conceptualized and squeezed into a pattern of systems."

"Knowledge will give you power, but character respect."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-08 11:26:55)
MoGo vs. Many Faces Of Go

Just read in the AGA newsletter (American Go E-Journal vol. 10) on the rematch between Myeong-Wan Kim 8p vs. Computer :

"Many Faces was very different, it behaved more like a human, while MoGo was pure computer and very unpredictable. It was easier to play Many Faces -- though it may be the stronger program -- because I could predict what it was going to do. Many Faces made better shape, but MoGo had better reading. I’d really like to see both programs play each other and see what happens."

I never played MoGo, but it may be instructive...


William Taylor    (2009-08-10 16:14:14)
Fun

Just a bit of fun really. It will certainly be a good achievement if he manages it, but of course it won't mean he's 'the best' at playing lots of people simultaneously. There are too many factors to try to determine that objectively (number of opponents, rating of opponents, result etc.), and of course the very best chess players spend their time on more serious chess pursuits. :)


William Taylor    (2009-08-10 16:16:54)
Poker engine

I've played poker against a computer before (several computer opponents). I think the program I used was called 'Tik's Texas Hold'em', but I've no idea what the best poker program is. I seem to remember reading something in either a poker magazine or a poker website a while ago about a match between top pros and top programs, and I don't think it was a one-sided encounter.


Daniel Parmet    (2009-08-11 20:08:24)
Quotes!

The following 11 quotes are all by me:
1- "Experiences are the keys to life."
2- "Happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet."
3- "If you expect nothing then the following will happen: either 1) you will receive nothing and thus can be happy your expectations were met or 2) You will receive something and thus be happy you have received something. And.... Happiness ensues..."
4- "Step up and face your fear or you will never be what you should be."
5- "A mistake is only a mistake if you let it happen twice. Otherwise it is a learning experience. your experience."
6- "Life is painting a picture over many years with different paints and tools."
7- ""Horney concluded that love was at least a temporary escape from all her anxiety and insecurity" - Karen Horney
Does anyone else think that someoe named 'Horney' shouldn't be talking about love?"
8- "Take each event in a singularity and say if time passes will any of this matter?"
9- "Plans are ideas that never come to fruition."
10- "You should only get upset about the little things cause you have no control over the big things."
11- "Causing another problem without fixing the initial problem just makes the initial problem worse as time continues"

The following are classic quotes:
11- "If you lose the game you should win the analysis!"
12- "Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around." - Vanilla Sky
13- "Life is pain my dear and anyone who says otherwise is selling something." - Princess Bride
14- "The 7ps: Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance" - U.S. Military
15- "Water water everywhere but not a drop to drink!" - Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner
16- "You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea cause you forget the good idea has limits" - Warren Buffet
17- "Teach a child to be polite and courteous and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to merge his car onto the freeway."
18- "Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone."
19- "There is no tomorrow without the pains and pleasures of today" - Gabriel
20- "If life weren't this complicated, it would be nowhere near as fun. Why? WHY NOT!" - Catch-22
21- "When you've done things right people won't know you've done anything at all." - Futurama
22- "The right perception of any matter and a misunderstanding of the same matter do not wholly exclude each other." - Kafka's the trial
23- "the Trausi follow the normal practices of Thracians in general, except in one particular- their behaviour, namely, on the occasion of a birth or a death. When a baby is born the family sits round and mourns at the thought of the sufferings the infant must endure now that it has entered the world, and goes through the whole catalogue of human sorrows; but when somebody dies, they bury him with merriment and rejoicing, and point out how happy he now is and how many miseries he has at last escaped." -Herodotus Viv
24- "When a Persian herald demanded the surrender of arms, the king shouted back 'come here to get them'; and when he had seen that he was surrounded, he commanded his men to have a good breakfast since their dinner would be served in hell." - Herodotus
25- "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it"
26- "Why, we don't even know what living means now, what it is, and what it is called? Leave us alone without books and we shall be lost and in confusion at once. We shall not know what to join on to, what to cling to, what to love and what to hate, what to respect and what to despise." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky Notes from the Underground
27- "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." - Scott Adams
28- "Nobody is always a winner and anyone who says otherwise either is a liar or doesn't play poker."
29- “The darkness immutable tranquility holds sway.” - Jun’ichiro Tanizaki
30- “People who are constantly asking 'why' are like tourists who stand in front of a building reading Baedeker and are so busy reading the history of its construction, etc., that they are prevented from seeing the building.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
31- “Either move or be moved.” - Ezra Pound
32- "The real meditation is the meditation of one's identity..... You try finding out why you're you and not somebody else. And who in the blazes are you anyhow??" - Ezra Pound.
33- “The image is more than an idea. It is a vortex or cluster of fused ideas and is endowed with energy.” - Ezra Pound
34- “The thought working its way towards the light.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
35- “There are always two people in every picture: the photographer and the viewer.” - Ansel Adams
36- “When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be content with silence.” - Ansel Adams
37- "Wanting to think is one thing; having a talent for thinking is another." - Ludwig Wittgenstein
38- “Philosophers use a language that is already deformed as though by shoes that are too tight” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
39- “Nothing is more important for teaching us to understand the concepts we have than constructing fictitious ones” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
40- “don’t for heaven’s sake, be afraid of talking nonsense! But you must pay attention to your nonsense” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
41- “In a conversation: One person throws a ball; the other does not know: whether he is supposed to throw it back, or throw it to a third person, or leave it on the ground, or pick it up and put it in his pocket, etc” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
42- “I really do think with my pen, because my head often knows nothing about what my hand is writing” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
43- “What I am writing here may be feeble stuff; well, then I am just not capable of bringing the big, important thing to light. But hidden in these feeble remarks are great prospects.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
44- “I ask countless irrelevant questions. If only I can succeed in hacking my way through this forest!” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
45- “Even to have expressed a false thought boldly and clearly is already to have gained a great deal” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
46- “Don’t concern yourself with what, presumably no one but you grasps!” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
47- “when you are philosophizing you have to descend into primeval chaos and feel at home there” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
48- "You cannot step into the same river twice." - Heraclitus
49- "Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child." - Heraclitus
50- "Nothing endures but change." - Heraclitus
51- "For a guest remembers all his days the hospitable man who showed him kindness." - Odyssey Book 15 Line 75
52- "Watching [GM Nigel] Short peruse the photos of young women, I had a fanciful notion that the development of specialized skills and character traits in early childhood is like a country fair in which you are alotted a fixed number of tickets to spend on the various concessions. This particular fixed number of tickets to spend on the various concessions. This particular fair is of short duration and happens only once in a lifetime. Nigel took the chess roller-coaster a dozen times, and rode the honesty ride twice, and so he had insufficient tickets left to take the Train Beyond Adolescence more than a stop or two. I myself missed the athletic concession, and I should have ridden -damn it- the chess coaster three or four times." - King's Gambit: A Son, A Father, and the World's Most Dangerous Game by Paul Hoffman page335
53- “I don’t know, but I do know with great precision why nobody else knows either.” - John H. Cochrane
54- "One must have chaos within oneself, to give birth to a dancing star." - Friedrich Nietsche
55- "I created chaos on the chess board and my strength lay in finding hidden harmonies. I always cultivated being at peace in chaos. manifest your unique character on the chess board." - Josh Waitzkin
56- "Leave numbers behind and ride the wave of the game." - Josh Waitzkin
57- "The weakness of an artist is dogma." - Josh Waitzkin
58- "Everything i've learned, i've eventually unlearned. I spend more time unlearning than learning. You must challenge your own micro thought constructs." - Josh Waitzkin
59- "It is like a tunnel, the deeper you get into the more you see there is to learn." - Josh Waitzkin
60- "Your emotions are there for a reason. Observe their ripple." - Josh Waitzkin
61- "The same mold, teachers have learned a certain way. great teachers should listen first." - Josh Waitzkin
62- "Change from psychology and technical errors, transition from opening prep to first middlegame decision or tactical to strategical." - Josh Waitzkin
63- "There is some part about any discipline that should appeal to any person." - Josh Waitzkin
64- "Identify thematic connections by breaking down the walls between different disciplines." - Josh Waitzkin
65- "You know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal." - John de Armond
66- "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
67- "When you stop learning you start dying." - Scott Adams
68- "If you could buy some people for what they are worth, and sell them for what they "think" they are worth, there would always be a profit margin."
69- "Don't compare your life to others. You have no idea what their journey is all about."
70- "Life is too short to waste time hating anyone."
71- "When in doubt, just take the next small step."
72- "When it comes to going after what you love in life, don't take no for an answer."
73- "Frame every so-called disaster with these words 'In five years, will this matter?" - Ellis
74- "If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back."
75- "Envy is a waste of time. You already have all you need."
76- "There are three sides to every story: your side, their side and the truth." - Bablyon 5
77- "Better than a thousand days of diligent study is one day with a great teacher." - Japanese Proverb


My apologies if some of the classics are in the ficgs quote file already as I just keep my own (and pull quotes from everywhere). I tried to cull out the duplicates.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-08-12 04:33:35)
More Quotes

I life is a school, a funeral must be a graduation ceremony.


Normajean Yates    (2009-08-12 15:53:19)
seems... a more powerful secret-society

.. wants to save ficgs ;-)


Nick Burrows    (2009-08-14 14:50:13)
more quotes

Don't know who the first 2 are by...

'I would rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal labotomy'!

'Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy'

'Life is the sum of all your choices' - Albert Camus

'Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first.' - Mark Twain

'An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.' - Ghandi

'In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.' ~ Kathy Norris


Daniel Parmet    (2009-08-14 21:41:34)
quotes

welcome :)

"War is the child of passion, passion is the child of narcissism and narcissism is the child. (...) Another game ? (Thibault de Vassal)"

I thought it was War (Ares) & Love (Aphrodite) had the child Peace (Harmonia) who married Prince Cademus where the infamous golden apple was thrown that started the Trojan War.
So War & Love found Peace through Marriage that started a War. Full circle!


Daniel Parmet    (2009-08-17 19:06:37)
He did it!

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/mahjoob-breaks-guinness-record-with-500-board-simul/comment-page-1/#comment-98272

apparently according to the comments he has to score a high % for it count and he did score an amazing 88%! That seems ridiculous given a simul with so many people all the participants will have sufficient time to think.


Ralf Mulde    (2009-08-18 00:24:11)
DESC corr. chess Open 2009 invitation

Dear chessfriends,

German e-mail Correspondence Chessclub (DESC) invites everyone to
join the DESC Open. Join with uns and have fun playing chess!

Everyone in the world who can play chess (and has the possibility to
use an e-mail-system) is invited herewith to take part at this tournament.

It's a cost-free tournament, no one has to pay any fees.

Please register per e-mail at [ turnierbuero@desc-online.de ] until
Sept. 19th 2009.

Your registration has to include

a) your family name
b) your first-name
c) your e-mail-address
d) and the remark < Anmeldung zum DESC-Open 2009 >.


The tournament will start at Oct. 1st 2009.

Reflection-time will be 30 days per 10 moves,
first time-exceed forfeits the game.

Moves will be transmitted by e-mail in the well known pgn-format.

During this pre-tounament, every player will have four to eight
games in groups with five to nine players.
The best three of them will reach the next round.

More informations are shown at DESC's homepage:

http://www.desc-online.de/turniere/open/2009/

Take part, have fun! You and your friends will be welcome!

Best regards, IM Joerg Kracht, Michael Schirmer, and Ralf Mulde


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-18 19:04:39)
DESC corr. chess Open

Hello Ralf,

I would have loved to play this email-chess event (a few chessfriends here told me about it) if I hadn't some many games and things to do here. My best wishes of success for the tournament !

By the way what do you think about the future of email chess (I quite liked this way of play in the past but I experienced lost emails also), will DESC offer server chess also like IECG ?

Best regards,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-22 15:08:37)
Vacation Time & 60 days limit per move

Hi Charlie, it is explained when you take some days of vacation :

Rules 11.4 : "Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time."

Note : The time per move clock is still running during vacation.


Anyway, it's not really convenient to remember so I'll add it in the Help section.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-22 22:30:34)
Slow moves & chat bar at Poker

Hello everyone,

You may have noticed that the chat bar disappeared during your poker "moves"... In my opinion poker moves are usually played so fast that it is useless to display it but it may be a problem for players who write long messages with their moves and can be disconnected (the small message box keeps players connected as it refreshes automatically). Is it a problem for many players ?

The other question is : Should the "slow moves" process be kept for poker moves as it is (IMHO) not necessary to confirm such moves in most cases ?

Your feedback is welcome, thanks :)


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2009-08-23 13:51:45)
Slow moves

Hello Thibault!

Please don't remove the "slow moves" for poker games.

I don't like the "fast moves" because it doesn't show the situation after I have sent my move (hands and new community cards).

I don't need the chat windows but I don't like to be disconnected if I write a message to an opponent (I do that in poker games too)

Best, Heinz-Georg


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-08-25 19:47:10)
Mistake in ELO calculation?

I got this email from an advanced match.

Game 27857


[Event "FICGS__CHESS__BULLET_BRONZE__000132"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2009.8.23"]
[Round "1"]
[White "van der Kemp,Michel"]
[Black "Goršek,Gregor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1966"]
[BlackElo "1623"]

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Be2 O-O 6.O-O c6 7.a4 a5 8.h3 Na6 9.Be3 Nb4 10.Qd2 Qc7 11.Rac1 Rd8 12.Rfe1 d5 13.exd5 Nbxd5 14.Nxd5 Nxd5 15.Bh6 Be6 16.Bxg7 Kxg7 17.c4 Nb4 18.Bd3 Nxd3 19.Qxd3 Qd6 20.Re3 Rd7 21.Qe2 Re8 22.Rd1 R7d8 23.Re1 Rd7 24.b3 b6 25.Ng5 Bf5 26.g4 1-0



Move sent : 2009.8.23 - 17:54:11
Move replied : 2009.8.23 - 19:10:44


Player resigned.




WhiteELO : 1966 ... 1961
BlackELO : 1623 ... 1627


This email was generated automatically by http://www.ficgs.com/
My rating went down after winning a game :)


Daniel Parmet    (2009-08-26 05:51:01)
another rating problem.

I don't think my most recent win is being calculated in my future rating ? It says it only has 2 games for the future rating when it should have 3.


Don Groves    (2009-08-26 07:49:38)
another rating problem

Was that third game rated? You seem to have played a lot of unrated games.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-26 19:21:42)
Stan Vaughan vs. Varuzhan Akobian (WCF)

Many of you probably saw this strange banner in a Chessbase news article, with this title :

"THE WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP"
World Chess Federation, Inc.

WCF "WORLD CHESS CHAMPION" Stan Vaughan
vs. WCF official challenger Varuzhan Akobian in WCF TITLE MATCH 2009 (starting on December 1st, 2009 at Riviera Hotel Casino, Las Vegas)

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5717

The Chessbase article says that when FIDE stripped Fischer of the title in 1975, he set up the WCF which sanctioned his "World Championship" rematch with Spassky in 1992 (with a record of five million dollars prize). After winning the event, Fischer was scheduled to play WCF official challenger Stan Vaughan, but he retired.

Well well... I cannot even find a page on Wikipedia on Stan Vaughan, but the article on Chessbase also mentions that Vaughan would have been 29 time US Champion of the American Chess Association, retaining the title at 2008 Robert Fischer Memorial and also, but not least :

* 1988 US Correspondence Chess Champion
* 1989, 1995 Mensa World Correspondence Chess Champion
* 1995-2007 WCCF World Correspondence Chess Champion
* WCF “The World Chess Champion 2001-present 2009
* Retained the title in 2007 with an 11-0 title match victory over Francisco Metz, an International Master from Mexico and former 1975 USCF's US Amateur Chess Champion

To finish, Garry Kasparov would have turned down the opportunity to play him in a match for 5 million dollars in 2008 - not a big surprise.

Does anyone have more information on all this and eventually games played by this un-unknown correspondence chess champion ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-28 01:06:17)
S.C. von Erichsen is FICGS Go champion !

Svante Carl von Erichsen is FICGS Go champion, for the 3rd time... after winning 2 more games in the 5 games final match which looked like in some ways to the previous one with Ke Lu.

Congrats again Svante Carl ! Definitely we need more strong players to try to rivalize :)

Here is the 4th game that just finished :


( ; FF[1] GM[1] SZ[19] AP[Ficgs] RU[Chinese] GN[von Erichsen,Svante Carl-Lu,Ke] HA[0] KM[7.5] WR[2653] PW[von Erichsen,Svante Carl] BR[2483] PB[Lu,Ke] DT[February 28 3:6:11 CET 2009] RE[W+T] ; B[pd] ; W[dc] ; B[pp] ; W[eq] ; B[pj] ; W[nq] ; B[lq] ; W[no] ; B[pn] ; W[kp] ; B[lp] ; W[lo] ; B[kq] ; W[jp] ; B[jq] ; W[ip] ; B[hq] ; W[hp] ; B[gq] ; W[gp] ; B[fq] ; W[fp] ; B[er] ; W[dr] ; B[dq] ; W[ep] ; B[fr] ; W[cq] ; B[cj] ; W[ch] ; B[co] ; W[cn] ; B[bn] ; W[dn] ; B[cm] ; W[nc] ; B[kd] ; W[ne] ; B[pf] ; W[ng] ; B[gc] ; W[ic] ; B[id] ; W[jd] ; B[jc] ; W[je] ; B[ib] ; W[kc] ; B[hc] ; W[de] ; B[lc] ; W[ph] ; B[oh] ; W[qe] ; B[pe] ; W[pg] ; B[og] ; W[of] ; B[pi] ; W[qf] ; B[rh] ; W[qd] ; B[pc] ; W[qc] ; B[qg] ; W[pb] ; B[ob] ; W[qb] ; B[nb] ; W[nh] ; B[qh] ; W[pl] ; B[om] ; W[qo] ; B[po] ; W[qp] ; B[qn] ; W[pq] ; B[oq] ; W[pr] ; B[or] ; W[rq] ; B[mj] ; W[mc] ; B[kb] ; W[lf] ; B[lh] ; W[jg] ; B[ji] ; W[mb] ; B[oc] ; W[ie] ; B[he] ; W[hf] ; B[gf] ; W[hg] ; B[mf] ; W[me] ; B[mg] ; W[ke] ; B[ld] ; W[le] ; B[nf] ; W[eh] ; B[hi] ; W[kh] ; B[ki] ; W[rn] ; B[rm] ; W[ro] ; B[ql] ; W[bk] ; B[bj] ; W[cl] ; B[dm] ; W[bm] ; B[bo] ; W[dl] ; B[dp] ; W[br] ; B[em] ; W[en] )




Alex Savu    (2009-08-28 09:44:40)
A favorite

The heaviest burden a man can carry is an empty pocket.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-28 13:37:50)
Zeitnot & Go Wch #4

The clock is an important part of the game, even at this correspondence time control. Thanks for your comments, obviously the match was much more intense than the score let it appear. Congrats to Ke Lu for giving you such difficulties :) .. One more reason to read these games with attention.

By the way, the 4th Go Wch preliminary tournament seems to be discussed between the very dangerous & surprising Huayong Yang (with 6/6 until now), Simon Billouet and Thomas Connor !


Garvin Gray    (2009-08-29 16:05:33)
Issue for 2150 rated players

I am starting to notice an issue with how the rating bands are set for tournaments, both standard and rapid.

Currently I am rated between 2150 and 2200, depending on the rating period. After having been in this rating band for a couple of rating periods, I am noticing it is very difficult to get rated games against players rated above 2200.

This makes it very difficult to improve my rating, or at least have it proven that my playing standard is not deserved of a higher rating, or a lower rating as the case maybe.

I know it is possible to look at my results from players rated similar to myself and try and work out conclusions from there, but to not have the opportunity to play people rated above myself does not afford me the opportunity to see how I go against them, or to record results against higher rated players that might suggest I am underrated.

I suggested awhile ago that each of the tournament bands need to be 200 points apart, with the standard and rapid tournaments operated on odds and evens 200 point rating bands. I still believe this to be the answer to a lot of the sites ills as I still see many tournaments where players just under the rating cut off not entering when the rating band is 400 points.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-30 01:04:42)
WCH 4 Candidates Final

Hello Robert,

It should start on november 1st, but if both opponents agree to start before that date...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-08-30 01:24:36)
Issue for 2150 rated players

That's why WCH round-robin groups are useful to help players to find more quickly their rating... Unfortunately, it seems we go towards a 8 months cycle instead of 6 months.

So your idea is to make the rapid tournaments like the standard (class) ones with 400 points bands -am I right- ?

I'm not sure it will solve the problem but we may try, why not... Any opinion ?


Don Groves    (2009-08-31 00:58:08)
My .02 Euros

As I understand it, the current limit for a game to affect ratings is 350 ELO points. If so, then why would any player near the top of a 400 rating band enter a tournament unless at least one other player near his/her rating has already entered? Otherwise, that player stands to gain little or nothing from winning.

It seems logical to me that the rating band be smaller than the rating limit to insure that all the games will be rated.


Michael Sharland    (2009-09-01 03:41:29)
I agree with the Garvin's suggestion

If you look at the waiting list for any of the standard tournaments, you will typically see only players rated in the bottom 100 points of the band. This means that certain ranges are missing profitable opportunities to play and move up their ratings.

By narrowing the standard tournament bands and offsetting them with the rapid tournament bands, you will likely see an increase in signups as more players will find tournaments that align with their desire for the ability to make rating progress.

I am also in this 2100-2199 rating range and feel that there is no tournament that I can sign up for that would help my rating improve. So I find myself waiting for a WCH tournament to move me up or down rather than playing a new tournament as I would like to.


Iouri Basiliev    (2009-09-01 18:10:07)
1st team tournament : games & results

It seems "Yellow-Blue" team lost one player (Romaniuk, Dmytro ), but continue to play.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-02 01:20:41)
Showdown rules

Really? I've to read the rules again (I don't remember that, but it seems it's quite hard to find ALL poker rules)... anyone else can confirm?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-02 02:06:53)
Response

The rationale for the 400 points bands in class tournaments and 200 bands in rapid tournaments is to reduce the number of opportunities to play rapid tournaments (that are much more time consuming and may lead to general forfeits)... I still do not understand why 400 points bands are a problem as most players play the tournaments that may help to increase their rating (as Michael said, by the way the Rapid M seems quite dedicated for 2100-2199 rated players, actually a future improvement may be 100 points bands).

Anyway, I see no strong reason not to try this change... let's do it unless someone sees this strong reason.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-02 02:15:29)
second stage

It was perfectly clear :) It should start on november 1st, 2009.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-02 18:00:40)
FIDE chess rating list, september 2009

As Veselin Topalov (former FIDE world champion) & Viswanathan Anand (current FIDE world champion) did not play any game since the july rating list has been published, they remain number 1 & number 2 in the top rankings, but their followers played quite many games : Levon Aronian is now number 3 with 2773 points while Vladimir Kramnik & Magnus Carlsen are number 4 and 5 with 2772 elo points.

Here are the 2700+ players :

1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2813
2 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2788
3 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2773
4 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2772
5 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2772
6 Leko, Peter g HUN 2762
7 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2757
8 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2756
9 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2756
10 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2750
11 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2742
12 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2741
13 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2741
14 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2740
15 Wang, Yue g CHN 2736
16 Nakamura, Hikaru g USA 2735
17 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2733
18 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2730
19 Alekseev, Evgeny g RUS 2725
20 Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2722
21 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2721
22 Dominguez Perez, Leinier g CUB 2719
23 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime g FRA 2718
24 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2717
25 Malakhov, Vladimir g RUS 2715
26 Movsesian, Sergei g SVK 2711
27 Motylev, Alexander g RUS 2710
28 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2709
29 Short, Nigel D g ENG 2706
30 Rublevsky, Sergei g RUS 2703
31 Kasimdzhanov, Rustam g UZB 2702
32 Bu, Xiangzhi g CHN 2702


Don Groves    (2009-09-05 00:09:13)
Too much French wine?

CHENNAI, India (Reuters) - A leading French chess player turned up drunk and dozed off after just 11 moves in an international tournament in Kolkata, losing the round on technical grounds, domestic media reported Friday.

Grandmaster Vladislav Tkachiev arrived for Thursday's match against India's Praveen Kumar in such an inebriated state that he could hardly sit in his chair and soon fell asleep, resting his head on the table, Hindustan Times newspaper reported.

Indian papers carried pictures of the world number 58 sleeping and the organizers' futile attempts to wake his up.

The game was awarded to the Indian on the technical ground of Tkachiev being unable to complete his moves within the stipulated time of an hour and 30 minutes, the paper said.

The player was warned and reprimanded by the organizers afterwards but has been allowed to take part in the remainder of the competition, the paper said.


Nick Burrows    (2009-09-05 02:43:25)
drunken sailor

his punishment should be the replacement of his 30 second per move increment with a shot of vodka per move, to keep the spectators amused.

Apparently he cost the French team a point at the olympiad due to the same reason - perhaps he has a serious problem :-(


Maurice Ellis    (2009-09-07 01:09:38)
HOW TO START PLAY

Newcomer here.Can't get anyone to challenge me in a free game. Can't seem to challenge anyone in a free game.HELP!!


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-09-07 23:52:52)
A Big Mouth on Rybka Forum

Howdy Thibault & all.
There is a poster on the Rybka forum who has sort of a big mouth. He claims that Rybka IA feature is not best for CC games, claims it is too time consuming and at any rate he blubbers and brags that those who use IA are not able to defeat him. I am using my own language here in a jist of the conversation of his. He further says that he never spends more that a matter of hours cogitating his move using a 3 tear "long game" approach to working his moves. Timers such at 60' 40 moves @ 1st tier etc (don't remember his 2nd tier timer. In any case he claims he can get to depth 40 in mid game situations using a "long game" three tier mode. and finds moves that are superior to IA running a day or more (he doesn't seem to understand that most CC players use IA in a special Centaur way and the Program is a tool. He gives little respect for 2500 CC rated Centaur players using the feature IA. He beats such players all of the time, he say's with his Rybka usage with his very modest hardware against 2500 players using IA. I am skeptical. I asked where he plays CC (out of courosity) and he will not tell where. a Poster in response to his post believe he plays CC where computers are not allowed, I have no idea in this regard. I told him that I play at FICGS where computers are welcome and a 2500 rating on this server is very high. There are many well known players held in high regard playing at FICGS that would "clean his clock" with him playing as he say's he does. So what is my point. I am wondering if I can invite this guy to join FICGS and that his lofty rating can be accepted. I shall invite him to Join our SM #11 tourney. Wayne


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2009-09-08 09:05:01)
Mr Lowrance

Don't waste your time with such characters. Mr Uri Blass has already revealed his methods, he plays in a site where engines are not allowed and he cheats using them. He has already made the same silly arguments before, he just wants attention.


Nick Burrows    (2009-09-12 02:33:28)
video

The video that the transcript was taken from;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKEnwr-N2NI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Echessninja%2Ecom%2Fdailydirt%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=44


Garvin Gray    (2009-09-13 17:08:24)
to all players

Thibault,

In regards to the recent changes, I am not sure how many players on here would be aware that the rating cutoffs have changed in the waiting lists.

I think it might be a good idea to send a general message via email to all members informing them of the change, so then they are aware of it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-14 21:22:36)
Rating cutoffs change

Hi Wayne, no problem :) .. The responses are in this discussion, right ?

Garvin, it seems to me that this is a minor change (only for chess class tournaments) that does not change anything to most players, I did not want to annoy all members with such an email.


Scott Nichols    (2009-09-16 08:58:46)
Quick Corr. Chess

With the recent narrowing of the band in standard tournaments, it occurred to me that there is even less opportunity to get games than before. For those of us (and I think it is many) who check the site many times daily waiting for the next move, there just isn't enough games to feed our tremendous appetite for chess. I propose a new catagory, Quick Corr. chess, I know that sounds like an oxymoron, but here it is. It would have it's own Quick chess rating. Bands would be, Over 2000, 1600-2000, and under 1600. Time limit-10 days per game, increment-8 hours. I truly believe there is a market for this here. Advanced chess requires that you actually be at the comp. for a length of time till game is done, so it is not an option for many. But as you can see there has been quite an increase in advanced games being played. So---if you are one of those players like me, that check for moves first thing in the morning and last thing at night, sneak your laptop into the bathroom at work to see if your opponent took the sacrifice you just offered, etc., and time after time are disappointed at not seeing any new moves, please offer your support and suggestions on this. Thank you, signed "Starving for chess". :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-16 13:23:31)
Quick Corr. Chess

Hi Scott :)

Why not playing blitz games between your correspondence moves ?

IMO the problem with that idea is :

1) If the quick corr. chess games share the corr. chess rating list, it may bring trouble in it with many losses on time. Some other servers offer this kind of time control & it is not serious IMHO.

2) If the quick corr. chess games do not share the corr. chess rating list, it will be less interesting for most players and it means another rating list, probably the one too much.

In all cases, it will be more waiting lists to fill. At a 2000+ level, it is never so easy.

Waiting for more opinions...


Daniel Parmet    (2009-09-16 23:04:15)
If the new bands are the problem...

If the new bands are the problem then remove them. I see no reason to add this "quick corr."


Daniel Parmet    (2009-09-16 23:06:50)
bands

also I do agree the bands are a problem.

I am 1962 and only want to play higher rated players. So I won't play an 1800-2000 which means I have exactly ONE option the 1900-2100 rapid band which is mostly other 1900s anyways. The new bands lowered my opportunities to play and makes both the opportunities available to me lower overall rating averages.


Daniel Parmet    (2009-09-17 07:38:06)
The real reality

The real reality is there is no reason to play rated chess when i'm facing lower rated opponents. I can enter thematics and unrated events where I can play experts and masters (who cares if its unrated?). I'm not gonna play a rated event where i'm top seed.

So the rating bands have eliminated playing options not created them.


Benjamin Block    (2009-09-17 19:41:23)
Quick corr. chess

The only swedish site where you can play corr. chess have some very smal times the lowest is 7 days for whole game (no increment). But it is very smal and only person that don´t have a job or don´t go to school can fix it. It is also a contest about how can make the last move on the night?


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-09-19 08:58:08)
ICCF uses no rating bands

Maybe this was the reason ICCF has qualification tournaments to get into higher tiers. You win a tournament and are qualified to play in a higher tier, regardless your rating. Of course that also means new players will always start in the lowest tier and getting to a tier that suits them is a long long road.

I don't know how hard it is to implement this, but it would solve the rating issues.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-19 21:35:48)
Deleting an account

Hello,

No problem, I'll delete it within minutes...

Best wishes,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-19 22:14:20)
Rating bands

Well, you have to win even more games to enter the upper rating category and I'm not sure it is always a fair system for the winner of a tournament to access it, based on the argument you quoted & also is it fair to play more games to finally win one tournament and lose elo points because of the number of games played at the same time, what happens if 3 or 4 players win a tournament ? (we could use the WCH tournament rules but is it appropriate in this case)

Moreover IMHO, such a rule wouldn't be necessary for ratings below 2200. On the other hand, it may be envisaged to casually offer to the winner of a 2000+ tournament to enter an upper waiting list to complete a waiting list in certain conditions, eg. if his rating is not more than 100 points below the upper rating band (it may be an idea to launch the 11th class SM tournament), what do you think ?


Don Groves    (2009-09-21 04:11:45)
rating bands

I agree with that: Under certain conditions, such as being less than 100 ELO points below the next higher rating and winning a lower rated tournament, a player gets a one time opportunity to play in the next higher group. If the player's rating is above the limit after the tournament, he/she remains in the higher class; otherwise they must play again in the lower class.

This would help fill higher rated tournaments faster and also allow players to advance more rapidly if they are good enough. This should apply to all FICGS games, Go and Poker included.


Hannes Rada    (2009-09-22 21:48:50)
Depends

imho on the type of tournament.
It could be problemantic in round robin tournamens, as there are also other players involved.
Seems to be okay in a knockout tournament where only the 2 players are involved.


William Taylor    (2009-09-22 22:16:32)
#2

I also vote for number 2.

Regarding Hannes Rada's point about the decision also affecting other players in a round-robin - this is also true to a lesser extent in elims, as it could affect who somebody's opponent is in the next round. Personally I don't think these considerations are very important if it is an obvious mouse-slip (such as Kf1 instead of O-O) and I certainly wouldn't want you to get the agreement of everyone in the tournament before allowing a takeback.


Daniel Parmet    (2009-09-23 03:44:25)
NO OTB Comparisions

I'm sorry I play 160 otb games a year I find this comparison unfair... OTB any touching of a piece or movement of a piece cannot be an accident. In corr and online games it is easy to have such accidents that are out of your control. After all there is no touch move rule in corr at all. I can touch the pieces come back later touch them again and repeatedly do this only submitting my move 60 days later after having touch every piece 100s of times.

Most online chess leagues have take back rules for obvious things like kf1 instead of castling.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-23 11:19:51)
Big debate

The debate is growing and things are just getting more fuzzy :)

I do not really agree on the comparison with OTB chess, accidents may happen also (less often) eg. when you're lost in your thoughts... anyway, I guess that there is no takeback at ICCF, am I right ?

Of course this rule will also apply for the other games (big chess, Go, poker holdem). Right now, my opinion is not clear yet :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-23 17:47:40)
Results

6 games out of 21 finished on table 1
18 games out of 21 finished on table 2
10 games out of 21 finished on table 3
16 games out of 21 finished on table 4

No clear result yet, but I can say without any doubt that Yura Lemekhov does it very well on table 4 !

To be continued.


William Taylor    (2009-09-24 15:16:46)
Not over yet...

There are still 8 blitz games to be played, so Tolya could stage a comeback (it seems unlikely though, given the time trouble he's had in the rapid games).


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2009-09-28 22:21:17)
Promotion

The promotion has centered around the new interface(GUI)and the new pemium membership for playchess. About the engine they just said "new stronger engine" but no numbers given.

Seems they emphasize the GUI and Shredder 12 the new human levels. Not as much the engine strenght as they gave up in chasing Rybka. I agree with Garvin I doubt Fritz will be close to Rybka 3


John Smith    (2009-09-28 22:32:58)
Human only games/Centaur

Hi all,

Initially when I registered I was under the impression that (e.g. like RHP) engines are not allowed. Then I saw a flag NO_ENGINES, which seems to imply that in other tournaments engines are allowed.

I would like to ask which types of tournaments are for Centaurs and which are human-only. Stepping into a Centaur tournament would not be a good idea as I don't think any amateur stands a chance vs a 2800+ Centaur.

So obviously NO_ENGINES are normal tournamets, are thematic tournaments normal tournaments as well? which ones are for Centaurs?


Garvin Gray    (2009-09-29 17:34:56)
Moneybookers warning

I have just received a warning email telling me that my moneybookers account has been suspended and to click on the link provided in the email to confirm my records.

The email does look legit, but from my understanding of these things, a proper site with this information would ask you to go to moneybookers.com and sign in, rather than provide a link. Clicking the link option is what scammers provide to get your information.

Thibault, are you able to confirm anything on this matter?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-09-29 19:06:17)
Moneybookers accounts blocked

Hi Garvin,

Yes, I have the same problem for one month... First you'll probably have to send a copy of your bank details, then a copy of your identity card and so on, and it seems that many people are in the same case.

On my case, it may be a personal/professional account confusion, but it may be another "problem" as well. Moneybookers seems to be very slow to respond when the end is to give back any money, I'm not sure I'll continue to use this site.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-19 17:32:20)
Corr. Chess Maxims

Btw, I hardly would call you an otb player since you haven't played in TWO years. Clearly, you are not up on the rules as I've explained them to you already how they work with USCF. But since you're not a td, and I am then I will explain them again.

If repeated draw offers is ruled a distraction by a TD: 1st offense warning. 2nd Offense warning. 3rd offense time penalty. 4th offense time penalty. Pretty much all a td can do is time penalties for something like this. If he ruled it a loss, he'd face an appeal to the ethics committee. He'd lose the right to TD events and the result would be overturned to Nihl in the end anyways as that is not a correct ruling by the td.


Don Groves    (2009-10-31 06:03:19)
Just made it...

You'd better speed it up, William! You're the only member of the Dark Knights with fewer than 24,000 moves ;-)


William Taylor    (2010-06-11 15:08:41)
FICGS chess database

Hi Thib,

Would it be possible to make 2 options - a database with only correspondence games, and one including bullet/blitz/lightning/freestyle cup? (Or a database just of those games.) I think it's a good idea to have a database without them, but I for one would like the option of downloading them.

Will


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-10-04 20:29:38)
IECG stopping

Today IECG announced that they will be stopping per 2010. The LSS Chessserver run by Ortwin Paetzold will more or less take over. Perhaps Thibault should advertise a bit at IECG for this server. :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-04 21:18:25)
IECG stopping

Shocking news.... Email chess will miss to many players, I loved this way of playing too, server chess is just different.

The message at IECG home page :

"Due to the fact that email play declines quickly in popularity making it impossible to build tournaments in a reasonable time, and due to the practical issues of email (viruses, spam filters) making this playing mode difficult, IECG has decided to stop its operations in December 2010 and to transfer its activities to our partner the Lechenicher SchachServer Server (LSS) in the meantime."

A page of correspondence chess has ended.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-05 19:20:02)
Shaking hands with Kasparov

Obviously, there's at least one member of this small lucky club here :)

http://www.ficgs.com/player_767.html

Lucky Pablo ! (see bottom of page)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-06 20:17:49)
2nd FICGS chess freestyle cup

Hi all,

Finally, I'll have some time to organize the 2nd FICGS chess freestyle cup during the next weeks !

The entry will be free for players rated over 2000, the prize will be 200 Epoints.


Three possibilities (swiss pairing) :

a) 6 rounds (1 hour + 15 sec/move), 2 rounds played each day - monday, tuesday, wednesday

b) 6 rounds (1 hour + 15 sec/move), 2 rounds played each day - friday, saturday, sunday

c) 6 rounds (30 minutes + 15 sec), 6 rounds played in a single day


Case a) could be organized next week or the week after, case b) couldn't be organized before about 1 month, case c) could be organized quite easily.

In cases a) & b), the best time for the daily 2 games remains to be found... IMO 8pm & 11pm server time or 1pm & 4pm server time are good choices, what do you think ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-07 16:00:18)
Fritz 12 rating at CEGT

I just discovered the first rating for Fritz 12 in the CEGT 40/20 (2GHz) rating list, 2933 so less than 20 points better than Fritz 11, quite a deception. Naum 4 is still not so far from Rybka 3.

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20SingleVersion/rangliste.html

1 Rybka 3 x64 1CPU 3112 17 17 1142 73.9% 2931 34.1%
2 Rybka 3 w32 1CPU 3053 16 16 1234 68.3% 2919 38.7%
3 Naum 4 w32 1CPU 2988 17 17 831 58.2% 2930 47.9%
4 Naum 4 x64 1CPU 2988 20 20 628 55.6% 2949 48.4%
5 Deep Fritz 11 1CPU 2937 14 14 1248 54.2% 2908 47.5%
6 Fritz 12 2933 19 19 674 48.8% 2941 46.0%
7 Fritz 11 2916 7 7 6292 54.9% 2882 42.3%
8 Shredder WM Edition Bonn 1CPU 2912 13 13 1580 50.7% 2907 41.7%
9 Zappa Mexico II x64 1CPU 2910 15 15 1084 54.7% 2878 45.0%
10 Thinker 5.4Ai x64 1CPU 2902 18 18 762 51.1% 2895 49.5%


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-08 12:47:47)
Message transmission (with slow moves)

Hi all,

Sorry to all players who use the slow moves process, I just realized the problem with 'empty moves (-)' at poker, you had to copy your message, now it is fixed... Please just warn me here if you still encounter any problem.

Thank you.


Nick Burrows    (2009-10-09 20:09:13)
Game from today




Michel van der Kemp    (2009-10-10 09:26:50)
Weekend

I agree the weekend will be better for most people, so I vote for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday option.

But maybe the c option is viable as well. From my experience freestyle is more a matter having better opening books and then a faster computer, and faster time controls is not necessarily a bad thing.

But I like to hear Eros Riccio's opinion on that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-11 01:18:18)
Options b & c

I guess that the first round "bye" is a problem unless I change the rules :/ .. Well, after all we may envisage option b & c alternately. So the next one may be option c ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-17 16:26:23)
Cheers !

Thank you :) Well, there are so many improvements to do yet (an AJAX interface & so on), I still feel that FICGS is in its starting phase, but I'm optimistic, I only hope that more players will mean an even more friendly place !


Garvin Gray    (2009-10-18 14:56:42)
arrived

I have received fritz 12 a couple of days ago. I have not yet played it against Rybka at all, but I do have one question for those who also have it.

How do I open a current database of games that are located on my computer? Seems like a silly question, but I can not seem to work it out.


Benjamin Block    (2009-10-18 21:36:58)
I agree

Thibault you make a really good work. I hope you take some money self from the google ads you are really worth it. It is hard to think any person that can take over this site when you do not want or can. I really hope that my grandchild will play on this site and have that fun as i have and always will have (i´m still i child). PS: Please stop smoke we don´t want you to die in prematurly. You really work hard. Do you ever sleep?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-20 22:14:38)
Shredder 12 vs. Rybka 3

Shredder 12 (the chess engine more than the interface) looks much more promising than Fritz 12, here are the current CEGT rating lists, Naum 4 and Rybka 3 are not so far !

40 / 40 rating list

1 Rybka 3 x64 1CPU 3105 16 16 1293 71.7% 2944 35.0%
2 Rybka 3 w32 1CPU 3053 16 16 1234 68.3% 2919 38.7%
3 Deep Shredder 12 x64 1CPU 3000 27 27 351 55.1% 2964 45.9%
4 Naum 4 w32 1CPU 2988 17 17 831 58.2% 2930 47.9%
5 Naum 4 x64 1CPU 2982 18 18 728 54.2% 2953 48.8%
6 Deep Fritz 11 1CPU 2936 14 14 1298 53.5% 2911 47.3%
7 Fritz 12 2928 18 18 778 47.3% 2947 46.3%
8 Fritz 11 2916 7 7 6292 54.9% 2882 42.3%
9 Zappa Mexico II x64 1CPU 2915 15 15 1134 54.5% 2883 45.1%
10 Shredder WM Edition Bonn 1CPU 2912 13 13 1580 50.7% 2907 41.7%

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20SingleVersion/rangliste.html


40 / 4 rating list

1 Rybka 3.0 x64 4CPU 3238 11 11 3400 80.4% 2993 27.7%
2 Naum 4.0 x64 4CPU 3126 11 11 2400 64.9% 3020 41.7%
3 Deep Shredder 12 x64 4CPU 3105 15 15 1300 65.8% 2991 35.9%
4 Deep Fritz 11 4CPU 3066 10 10 2500 58.3% 3008 44.5%
5 Stockfish 1.4 JA x64 4CPU 3032 11 11 2400 53.0% 3011 38.8%
6 Zappa Mexico II x64 4CPU 3026 8 8 4050 49.6% 3029 40.1%
7 Thinker 5.4D x64 4CPU Inert 3012 11 11 2200 50.3% 3010 39.5%
8 Hiarcs 12.1 4CPU 2998 11 11 2400 49.7% 3001 39.2%

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_BestVersion/rangliste.html


Congrats to the author of Shredder !


Hannes Rada    (2009-10-23 14:50:46)
Top Players

It's quite funny the top players are always whining on the ICCF - forum, that the finals getting weaker and weaker ....And most of them refuse to play one.
However in my opinon Elo - rating means nearly nothing in these days.


Lazaro Munoz    (2009-10-26 11:15:01)
Crazyhouse

You would need some special rules to prevent long boring clock time out waits, such as when one side is mated on the move. He will sit out and wait for the events on the other game. Typically what happens is that it will be mate on the move in the reverse direction. So either have adjudicated a win for the side with more time on their running clock or force them to move at least every 10 days say.

By the way if you try crazy house, you might want to also introduce shogi where pieces become the property of the opponent and can be dropped in. You won't need special char set since you can use the chess set with mods such as inverting them like the rook for the lance, golds can be queen, silvers inverted queens, etc and promoted pieces, the piece with a circle surrounding it.


William Taylor    (2009-10-26 13:58:56)
Crazyhouse

Lazaro: 1. I think you are confusing crazyhouse and bughouse. Crazyhouse is a 1-player game and so wouldn't have the problem you described.

2. Shogi - I might play shogi if it was introduced here, but I would certainly want proper shogi pieces, not chess pieces.

3. The original question - I enjoy crazyhouse, but wouldn't play it here at the moment as I'm too busy to start more time-consuming correspondence games. I'm also not sure if I'd enjoy it as much at correspondence time controls.


Benjamin Block    (2009-10-28 08:09:55)
Chessvariant databas

Thanks a lot. I will use that database when i play on schemingmind.com


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-29 23:01:27)
Most active players, amazing statistics!

These statistics (updated every 2 days) are available at :
http://www.ficgs.com/about.html


And the overall winner is........ :)

Players most active : General (moves played)


1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff : 124234
2. Rolf Staggat : 81806
3. Anderson Barradas : 55829
4. Stephane Legrand : 47936
5. Scott Nichols : 46711
6. Mark Noble : 37387
7. Findlay Murray : 35874
8. Volker Koslowski : 33241
9. Don Groves : 29539
10. Thibault de Vassal : 26104
11. Francisco Gramajo : 25281
12. Sergey Uzdin : 25256
13. Michael Sharland : 24890
14. Josef Riha : 24193
15. Jason Repa : 22765
16. Laurine Ségur : 22577
17. Alexis Bromo : 20198
18. Benjamin Collette : 20112
19. Fernando Vasquez : 19928
20. Laszlo Kis-Kos : 19174
21. Christian Koch : 18450
22. Evgeny Yarkov : 17168
23. Xavier Pichelin : 16559
24. Garvin Gray : 16388
25. Ranganathan Raman : 15750
26. Sebastian Boehme : 15190
27. Zdravko Stoyanov : 15186
28. Nick Ioffe : 15151
29. Phil Cook : 15007
30. Sean McNabb : 14572
31. Daniel Parmet : 13814
32. Ilmars Cirulis : 13118
33. Joaquim Malpalma : 13057
34. Dmitriy Panov : 12733
35. Nelson Bernal Varela : 12119
36. Marco Roncagliolo : 11741
37. Dmytro Romaniuk : 11648
38. Miroslav Rakovic : 11435
39. Nick Burrows : 11242
40. Janeen Walden : 10967
41. Claude Brisson : 10812
42. Sandor Porkolab : 10714
43. Christophe Czekaj : 10678
44. Janusz Kepinski : 10675
45. Peter Willoughby : 10634
46. Benjamin Block : 10633
47. Kate Lubeck : 10155
48. Charlie Neil : 10076
49. Darko Pipac : 10072
50. William Taylor : 10036



Players most active : Go


1. Don Groves : 17026
2. Claude Brisson : 10812
3. Nick Ioffe : 10795
4. Alejandro Suarez-Moreno : 10018
5. Mickaël Simon : 8986
6. Thibault de Vassal : 8870
7. Sean McNabb : 8666
8. Sergey Tarassov : 8236
9. Phil Cook : 8186
10. Tetsuya Kobayashi : 7816



Players most active : Chess


1. Josef Riha : 24119
2. Fernando Vasquez : 19820
3. Zdravko Stoyanov : 14523
4. Anderson Barradas : 12587
5. Ilmars Cirulis : 12200
6. Laszlo Kis-Kos : 12068
7. Janusz Kepinski : 10675
8. Garvin Gray : 10638
9. Scott Nichols : 10211
10. Charlie Neil : 10076



Players most active : Chess 960


1. Christophe Czekaj : 1224
2. Joaquim Malpalma : 916
3. Frederick Estieu : 672
4. Ilmars Cirulis : 605
5. Pavel Háse : 600
6. Sefa Sarihan : 524
7. Sandor Porkolab : 512
8. Jay Melquiades : 495
9. Christian Koch : 470
10. Rick Spangler : 447



Players most active : Big Chess


1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff : 5583
2. Peter Willoughby : 4368
3. José Carrizo : 3319
4. Thibault de Vassal : 3199
5. Mark Noble : 2949
6. Sandor Porkolab : 2467
7. Volker Koslowski : 1887
8. Paul König : 1790
9. William Taylor : 1706
10. Ranganathan Raman : 1620



Players most active : Poker Holdem


1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff : 111119
2. Rolf Staggat : 75570
3. Stephane Legrand : 41639
4. Anderson Barradas : 38671
5. Scott Nichols : 36500
6. Findlay Murray : 33008
7. Mark Noble : 31172
8. Volker Koslowski : 25829
9. Michael Sharland : 20721
10. Francisco Gramajo : 20431


Congrats Heinz-Georg, definitely you're the most addicted player ;)


Daniel Parmet    (2009-10-30 05:42:14)
Coming Thematics?

What are the next thematics? I forgot how to see the list of the ones that are after the current waiting one...

I would like to suggest
1) Alekhine
2) Grunfeld
3) Caro Kann


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-10-30 17:44:53)
Coming Thematics

Thanks again for the suggestions ;) Any other idea ?


John Smith    (2009-11-02 02:23:14)
coming thematics

I second the Grunfeld thematic, other ideas:

* Tarrasch variation - Queen's Gambit Declined.

* Slav & Semi-Slav (all in one, 1.d4 d5. 2.c4 c6 being the starting position).

* Nimzoindian thematic.

* King's Indian thematic


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-03 11:34:58)
Malkovich games

I didn't know that term of "Malkovich" games but that seems really interesting...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-03 11:40:33)
FIDE november rating list

Finally, Magnus Carlsen crossed the 2800 mark and reaches the 2nd place on the FIDE november rating list, ahead of world champion Viswanathan Anand. The next months will be interesting, at last :)


FIDE November 1st 2009 – Top 20 Players

Rank Name Title Country Rating Games BirthYear

1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2810 10 1975
2 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2801 10 1990
3 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2788 0 1969
4 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2786 13 1982
5 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2772 0 1975
6 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2758 11 1986
7 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2758 11 1968
8 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2754 17 1976
9 Leko, Peter g HUN 2752 10 1979
10 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2750 0 1977
11 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2748 10 1987
12 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2739 13 1969
13 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2739 5 1983
14 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2736 13 1983
15 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2736 10 1983
16 Wang, Yue g CHN 2734 27 1987
17 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2729 15 1983
18 Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2723 12 1990
19 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2719 25 1985
20 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2719 18 1972


More details in the Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5879


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-03 11:58:36)
If anyone could comment any game...

As far as I can remember, in an old discussion we decided that anyone couldn't comment any running game (despite of the fact that rules allow players to use any kind of help)... That's why I made the "public comments" field for the players only.

Do you think that something could be improved ? What about a kind of thread displayed after the public comments ?

Anyone could write and comment any game... Now 3 options, the thread could be created only when the game finishes, it could be created when the game starts, or (thinking about Malkovich games) it could be created when the game starts, but the players can read it & write only when the game finishes !

What do you think ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-03 19:44:40)
FICGS WCH 6 stage 2

To "clarify" the way groups are built, when looking at previous cycles there was 4 groups in most round-robin stage 2 and 7 players in every round-robin final, so there was 4 players qualified +1 from M group in stage 1 +2 players invited due to their result in the tournament (~1st place shared).

So I could have chosen to build 4 groups for this stage 2 as well, but there isn't a M group in this cycle and 3 players should be invited for the round-robin final which is a lot compared to the initial number, or it could be a double round-robin of 4 or 5 (with 1 invited) players, that I try to avoid as I think it is less efficient than single round-robin tournaments with more players... well I try to explain this complex way to decide how the groups are built to make it transparent at least, if not clear. As it is not possible to make a perfect algorithm, finding the best player should be the priority while building these groups, that's why IMHO it seems correct to see 2 (3 in rare cases) players qualified in these stage 1 tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-04 12:56:42)
Guest account

The guest account is not a problem as there are several user modes (active, silent, inactive -> like the guest account), then instead of "cheating" maybe one could reasonably speak of "lack of fair play". You may be right as it may encourage it, however I'm convinced it would have real consequences in very(!) rare cases. Just my opinion, any others?


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-11-04 16:37:28)
#2

I don't want others to make comments about my moves, good nor bad comments. Perhaps after the game I would comment but only when my opponent asks for it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-04 16:58:01)
Advanced games (blitz) : improvements

Hi all,

You probably noticed that there was many forfeits in advanced games as :

1) Many new players try it but do not read the instructions.
2) The system is not efficient enough to warn the players when a game starts.

The facts :

a) When you enter a waiting list for an advanced (blitz, lightning, bullet) game, you HAVE to withdraw before leaving, or the game may start without you - the way to do it may not be clear enough.
b) When you challenge a player, you may leave the computer, the system will not start the game without you (or in rare cases).

The idea of FICGS is to provide a web interface without any software to download, consequently everything is not possible... Now it only opens a pop up (if possible) & sends an email when a game starts, and it updates the page if you are in My Games.

Possible improvements :

1) To add a sound or voice message when a game starts.
2) To close advanced games waiting lists :/
3) ...

Well, it looks like I need some ideas. Anybody help ? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-05 11:19:28)
Is Poker holdem a game of chance ?

I'm always surprised when a poker player tells me that (in brief) Poker holdem is a game of chance...

You probably know that quotes (in FICGS file) saying that "Statistics are often overestimated", "98% of statistics are made up", "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. (Mark Twain)", it is often used as an argument.

So the question : Do you think that Poker holdem is a game of chance (in what measure & why) ?


William Taylor    (2009-11-05 14:10:51)
Yes

Of course hold'em is a game of chance to some degree. I think it's also obvious that there is some skill involved. Now that I've stated the obvious, I will leave the rest of you to discuss how much chance is involved... ;)


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-11-05 16:19:28)
Luck

Luck does not explain why the same poker players are always at the end tables of the poker tours. So there is definitely skill involved. I think the draw of the cards is more important than skill though, anyone can beat anyone.


Hannes Rada    (2009-11-05 18:31:09)
Knockout Final 05

Maybe it's an idea to contact him by email to inform him that the final has already started ...


Philip Roe    (2009-11-06 03:54:51)
Luck is the residue of design

Nick, I did not know that one. It is quite splendid and I thank you for it.

But it may not be Milton. I tried to look it up and quotation sites attribute it to a poem of his called "At a Vacation Exercise in the College" However, it does not occur there, and the Yale book of quotation credits someone called Branch Rickey in Sporting News, Feb 21 1946. A rather different source.

See http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/quotes-uncovered-who-worried-about-events/


Lazaro Munoz    (2009-11-06 05:09:02)
Is Poker holdem a game of chance ?

The "luck" factor bears no part in the long run since good and bad hands will eventually equally one's "luck".

As a programmer myself I see hold'em poker as a state game as opposed to a stateless game such as roulette where the next roll is independent of the previous. The state is important in the past history of cards having been played. Of course too much knowledge of state in Blackjack will get you booted out of the casino :)

There are two sets of skills that a player possesses, probability and human nature assessment, it terms of detecting patterns of bluffing. In hold'em as opposed to other types of poker where there is less shared information, knowledge of probability becomes the more prominent skill as opposed to other types of blind pokers.

So "chance" is a part of the game but the open nature of hold'em brings more skill to table than other poker games.


Lazaro Munoz    (2009-11-06 05:14:51)
Minims

I had this great little book on "Minims". Now minims is the opposite of maxims. Mimins make statements that are obvious, but funny. eg:

"No man has ever achieved immortality in his own life time."

"There are more things in heaven and earth than practically anywhere else."

"The early worm gets eaten by the bird."

Does anyone have this book? (I have long since lost my copy) And remember any of the other minims.


Nick Burrows    (2009-11-06 06:56:01)
"At a Vacation Exercise in the College"

Hi Phillip. I had a look around also, many sources site the quote as being wrongly attributed to the baseball player Branch Rickey.
The poem itself was written in Latin & English, then finished with lines of prose which are usually not published.
The quote is said to come from this prose and not the main body of the poem.


Nick Burrows    (2009-11-06 23:43:33)
some more

'Never risk one's whole fortune unless supported by one's entire army'

'No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution'

- Niccolo Machiavelli

'He who defends everything defends nothing'

- Frederick the Great

'Fortune favours the audacious'

- Desiderius Erasmus


Lazaro Munoz    (2009-11-07 01:56:13)
Advanced games (blitz) : improvements

For blitz can you not define the start of the as move two (when to start the clocks too) so that you are assured that both players are present. If not continued after move 0.5 you can throw it after a period of time and go back to move 0 where both players need to start again. Or take the forfeit if the player does not return before the beginning of the next round.

--laz


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-07 02:28:21)
Najdorf vs. Petroff

When I have no time enough - that is quite often - I also tend to play Najdorf in all my games (white & black), as IMO it looks like more a perfect geometric shape (kind of spiral) that looks quite "simple" & that chess engines & humans 'generally' play quite well/logically. Also it gives more chances with both colors, particularly against a weaker opponent, as most pieces stay on the board while avoiding symetrical positions.

Finally the Sicilian Najdorf looks quite reassuring, that defines most often the human choice... I used to play many other openings more often, some are much more interesting in some ways with more psychological, strategic & tactical issues, but I must recognize that the more I play against or with engines, the more I play like them, particularly when I feel a general "zeitnot".


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-07 16:16:28)
"blitz cc"

Well, FICGS cannot & will not become a fast games server to play eg. "2 0" or even "5 0" (by the way even on the fastest servers, there are lag - and other - problems) but I hope there will be more and more players interested in classical time controls (called blitz here) & 'freestyle chess'... William, I can't remember the last time when you played a fast game here, the page now only refreshes when a move is played, and faster now... With an AJAX interface, it will be almost completely transparent.

Lazaro, actually the fast games with less than 2 moves will be replaced when a new challenge is accepted, to delete the forfeited games.


Eros Riccio    (2009-11-11 23:49:00)
Knockout Final 05

Emails should have been sent by default to him when tourney started and when I sent him my first 4 moves... I am also disappointed, I had never played him before, and I was happy when I saw I was paired with him, I was looking forward to testing his "unusual" openings...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-12 00:12:31)
Knockout Final 05

I have sent a personal email to Marc, without an answer until now, so he may be busy elsewhere, everything's possible. We'll see.


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-11-13 10:38:55)
Hi

I think for pretty much all these questions you are on your own. On the web you will find many rankings on how certain engines perform, mainly whilst playing other engines. All engines are able to make nice sacrifices or play positionally, as long as it doesn't go beyond their calculation horizon. If we as humans want to make decisions with a little help from our computers, well that's what determines if you are a top player I guess. But if there was a recipe to become such a player, I wish I knew it :)

Experience, and good understanding yourself is the key I guess.


Garvin Gray    (2009-11-13 17:50:34)
can't view team mates results.

I have just tried viewing results from other tables via the links provided and am still having problems opening the links in a new window. I know I have mentioned this before, but thought I would point out that the issue still exists.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-11-13 18:42:00)
Centaur Chess

Howdy John, I will try and give maybe a little more detail to the best my ability.
1) Rybka is probably best up to "end game" and in end game I like Naum and Zappa.
2) Stonewall: , do not know best engine, but probably not Rybka
3.) Not enough information and again it depends on Engine Tactics. But in general, probably is worth looking into deep P.V.
4) Have no idea
5) No idea.
6) Out of book move "repeat/improvement recognition" as far as I know is not a feature. You as the Centaur of course should recognize this.
7) Well, you will get big arguments here. Many will tell you Aquarium (if you can master it).
8) NO In CC chess, the book is probably the most important thing to study and improve.As mentioned, experience is number one. Dont know if this post is of any value Wayne


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-11-13 19:26:27)
If I really want to delve into it

If I really want to delve into a position, I let two different engines analyze a position. If I'm out to win, I let both engines look for closed lines that don't lead to quick exchanges, unless they lead to clear advantages.

If engines evaluate a certain position very different, then those moves will catch my interest very quick, because those are the lines that may be highly imbalanced. I let both engines descend into those lines playing them against each other, and when you see the evaluation of one of the engines drop or go up, then it's a good time to draw a conclusion.

I hope that was clear a bit.

So yes it's good to have multiple engines.


Vjacheslav Perevozchikov    (2009-11-14 03:10:41)
Thibault

Game 36911 and Game 36913 in my group seems to go in the same way. There is a temptation to spy the opponents game :)
My question - is there a possibility to hide games during tournament avoiding a simple repetition of the moves? Like LSS it does.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-14 22:32:27)
Fritz 11 vs. Fritz 6

IMO, it is useless to try to compare Fritz 11 and older versions (or even other engines) when analyzing a human game... simply because there are much less "critical points" for engines in such games than in engine games or centaur games, 'cause there are much less horizon effects (sorry, I can't remember if this is the correct term, particularly after 1000 km on the road :)) in human games.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-17 18:44:19)
Marc Lacrosse vs. Eros Riccio

His match with Eros Riccio is canceled of course. We will remember him here by his fantastic & original games, with an outstanding rating of 2557... He lost only one beautiful game to Marius Zubac at FICGS in 2007 :

http://www.ficgs.com/game_12869.html


More games by Marc :

http://www.chessgames.com/player/marc_lacrosse.html

We'll miss him.


William Taylor    (2009-11-17 20:44:08)
Terrible news

I remember him beating Anand in a simul on the ICC (he was the only one who won). The game can be seen here (in a posted comment, which also confirms his death): http://www.chessgames.com/player/marc_lacrosse.html

I didn't know him personally, but it's a great loss for the whole of FICGS.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-11-18 04:21:26)
Mark Lacrosse

Very saddened by this news, so young and a very fine gentleman. FICGS will miss him
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-19 11:08:27)
Chess programming wikispace

Someone updated the chessprogramming wikispace for Marc & reminds us that he was also an opening book author for the chess engine Fruit (by Fabien Letouzey).

chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Marc+Lacrosse


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-19 15:53:28)
Chessbase humor :)

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5924

The winners at the closing ceremony: Sergey Karjakin (Bronze), Vishy Anand (Silver), Kirsan Ilyumzhinov (Natural Gas and Oil), Magnus Carlsen (Gold)

:)


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-11-20 21:52:39)
E-mail notifications

Thibault what in the world did I do to get FICS emails daily. I did not used to get any. now it"s bugging me
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-21 01:19:19)
E-mail notifications

Hi Wayne, you mean email notification for your moves or messages posted in the forum?

For the forum, I'll add an option in Preferences within a few days.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-21 15:24:16)
e-mails

Ok, so the new option will be the solution. If someone does no want any email from the server, the only way is to remove your email in Preferences.


Henri Muller    (2009-11-21 18:38:03)
marc lacrosse

hello marc!! on s'est connu à l'occasion de nombreux échanges d'idées - sur les échecs et autres.
Nous avons aussi joué qqs parties ensemble. Mais que s'est-il donc passé ?? Je viens seulement d'apprendre la triste et pénible nouvelle. Repose en paix, Marc. Je pense que tes amis - tu en avais bcp ! - se souviendront de toi comme d'un joueur au fair-play exemplaire ; aux idées larges et à la compréhension totale et amicale de tes adversaires. Tu nous manqueras. Adieu l'ami.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-24 12:37:53)
Cards shown at showdown?

A friend of mine just told me that both players cards may/should be shown at showdown (only after the river - the 5th shared card), like in casinos and a few other well known servers, but not all of them.

It would be a well known rule at poker texas holdem that avoids certain ways to cheat. I'm not sure I completely understood the interest in head's up like here, but I would be curious to know your opinion on this point if you have one.

Thanks in advance!


Daniel Parmet    (2009-11-24 20:40:09)
Taylor is correct

Taylor has the casino; true texas hold em rules. The only reason you see some online servers do it differently is an attempt for them to show no cheating was involved.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-27 19:30:34)
Ivanchuk may quite professional chess

What's wrong with Vassily Ivanchuk ? In his interview in Chessbase news, he says he may quit professional chess because of this match lost to an unknown player... Not only a match, a "crucial" match he said (like any other?), but it seems to me that there are a lot of things hidden behind the words. Maybe it's just time for him to change his life, at least I hope it is so simple.

End of the interview : "I only feel that the world has crashed down around me. Everyone is against me, and I don't see the way out…"

Strange...

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5941


Scott Nichols    (2009-11-29 02:46:06)
Albert Einstein

Man is reluctant to give credit for intelligence to anyone, except his enemies.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-29 17:15:18)
Nigel Davies & Garry Kasparov

Hi Nick,

Nigel Davies played with computer assistance but IMO only to verify his moves, he was very creative in some games. As for Garry Kasparov, if I remember well, he said a long time ago that he could become easily the best correspondence chess player (if assisted by computers, I guess). However I'm not sure if his preparations for OTB chess would be useful here, but most probably he could achieve this. Hard to predict what rating he could reach as a centaur, maybe 2650-2700....... Without computer assistance, it would be much harder, maybe 2300-2350 ..

It seems to me that Peter Leko played some games at ICCF, without so much success also, right?


Philip Roe    (2009-11-30 04:11:28)
Further Clarification

For further clarification on the catling rules, see Tim Krabbe's contribution in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke_chess_problem


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-11-30 12:51:02)
Andersson

Didn't Ulf Andersson become ICCF World Champion? At least I remember a game where he beat then world champion Gert Timmerman (2200-2300 FIDE rating) with black. I know for a fact he was at one point the highest rated player in ICCF.


Hannes Rada    (2009-11-30 13:55:08)
Andersson

No he was never ICCF champion.
But what I heard, in contradiction to his OTB chess preference, he played risky and very tactical in ICCF.
Andersson played in real chess extremely technical and low-risk, but winning every equal and boring endgame .....


Pavel Hase    (2009-11-30 23:56:42)
Value

Value is higher, my guess.
N - all fields, but horde moves for displacement, very slow piece.
B - only 128 fields, but only 2 moves for displacement (if clear board)
R - all fields, only 2 moves for displacement
Q - only 2 moves for displacement, but over one move, than Rook.

Guess
N - 3 (2-4) (From two pawns other sides any chance, but if pawns nearly, anyway 8x8 chess. Board 8x8 Notin, needed max. 4 moves, here?) Other tip? Mutually support afore own pawns.
B - 6(!) Very higher movement, than Notin. Other tip? Between own pawns, menace opponent piece.
R - 11 (10-12) Anyway 8x8 chess, pieces for middle game and endings. Interplay here is heavy work.
Q - 23 (20-30!) If interplay Rooks is heavy work, then Queen probably better, than two Rooks. Anyway 8x8, attention, traps and time for raven.

Sorry, my english language is weak.


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-12-01 00:40:00)
Andersson & computers

I would think Anderson used all the help he could get, since he is a professional. So if a computer could help him achieve what he needed he would use that.

But mind you this is a maybe 5 years ago, when rybka was unknown, and computers like Fritz were the best engines. Back then humans were still (somewhat) thought to be superior I think, at least in strategical positions. So maybe he didn't use computer assistence.


Pavel Hase    (2009-12-01 01:25:54)
Notin movement

Scheme is here:
http://www.chesspraga.cz/images/Notin_BigChess_16x16.png


Nick Burrows    (2009-12-01 01:36:41)
Joop van Oosterom/Jeroen Piket?

I just came accross this statement by Tim Krabbe

The Turk was operated by William Schlumberger, Mephisto was operated by Isidore Gunsberg, Ajeeb was operated by Harry Pillsbury and , the Dutch billionaire / new World Correspondence Chess Champion, is operated by Jeroen Piket.

Is this true? Is it really a computer assisted Jeroen Piket??


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-01 09:08:38)
Notin movement

What what ? What is this Notin movement ? Can anyone explain ?

About big chess pieces values, I agree that the pawn value is most probably less than considered before... Now I would say something like Q = 15.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-01 15:02:11)
Fixed poker bug (rare case)

There may have been a bug in a few poker games, provoking the loss of the game without any "obvious" reason.

As a reminder for myself it happened here :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=32014&move=1338

This is where PHP is magic, sometimes '1' == '1-0' , sometimes not (the operator === is useful then), according to the way the variables are calculated. I fell into the trap... Now it should be ok. I verified several thousand games without this problem but do not hesitate to warn me if you noticed something strange in one of your games.


Hannes Rada    (2009-12-01 18:08:56)
secretary of billionaire Joop van Ooster

Quite interesting ....
Secretary of an ICCF WM seems to be more lucrative then playing and winning usual OTB chess tournaments .... :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-02 14:21:48)
Marc Lacrosse memorial

Dear chessfriends, the waiting list for the next chess thematic tournament is open, this thematic #100 will be named the Marc Lacrosse memorial in honor of our lost chessfriend, we will play one of his favorite openings, the Basman Sale sicilian : 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5

Best wishes,
Thibault


Scott Nichols    (2009-12-03 06:35:24)
E-Points

Hello Thibault, After having been a member here for a few years, I've been fortunate enough to collect a few E-points. There is a small problem, there is nothing to spend them on! Can you come up with ideas to correct this?, e.g., Tournaments with entry fee, books and chess equipment, wild women etc.? :) Any ideas out there...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-04 13:13:05)
Castling

Funny story... So we can imagine the problems referees may encounter in OTB tournaments when the question is more complex :)


William Taylor    (2009-12-05 17:22:48)
Opening theory

I remember Marc publishing some material about this opening on his website. Unfortunately it seems like the material was not transferred when his website moved. He had accumulated a lot of knowledge on this opening and it would be a shame to lose all his work on it - I don't suppose anyone knows if the material is available anywhere do they?


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-12-06 00:33:26)
BasmanSale defence . ..

I downloaded long time ago from that website most of the zip files and the reports in pdf. These are:

BasmanSale-extended-05.2007.zip
BasmanSale-pure-05.2007.zip
Basman-Sale-reports-052007.zip

I could send the to anyone or put them in any repository .....


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-06 15:50:16)
Multiple nicknames

It is not authorized, particularly to use several accounts at the same time in order to try to cheat (that is detected in most cases)... Anyway the system discouraged the few attempts.

I also know that a few players do not use their real name (eg. that was authorized for the match Igame.ru), generally they do not find motivation enough to stay and reach the top ratings, that seems quite logical and consequences are negligible.

You may send a private message to me if you think that there is cheating in a tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-06 16:45:22)
Idea to avoid DMD at Poker holdem

Maybe an idea to avoid the "Dead Man Defence" at poker... I feel that this is not employed really often actually (at 2000+ ratings at least) as it is not at the player's advantage after a while but it may be an improvement anyway.

The idea is to keep the same time control but to force players to play a certain pending move before to play a new move in his other games again. In example, I have a pending move in poker games 1,2,5,6 : I play my move in games 1 & 2, my opponents play their moves, then I cannot play in games 1 & 2 again (the symbol in My games wouldn't be "!" but "#") before I played the other moves. Atually it wouldn't be so simple as it may be quite uncomfortable at every move, but something like this if I can detect real DMD.

What do you think about it? BTW did you notice that some of your opponents may use DMD while playing other games?


Don Groves    (2009-12-06 22:56:17)
Problem?

What if I have several tournament games running and also a real-time game? If I had to respond to all other moves before playing again in the real-time game, I could lose on time.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-06 23:06:17)
No problem

... goes without saying :) This is a special case, the rule would be different here.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2009-12-06 23:50:19)
Idea to avoid DMD at Poker holdem

Does it mean: first in, first out (to answer first in the "oldest" game)? Have I to answer in a predefined order? In this case I would say: no, this is not what I want.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-07 16:24:01)
Predefined order?

No, of course it would be hell :) And it would be really painful to find the "right" game to play... No, I have to find a more subtle way where players who do not use DMD wouldn't make any difference with the current system...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-07 16:33:25)
Chessbazaar

Hi William, did you find something on Chessbazaar at Archive.org ? Looks like the archived pages are empty.. strange.


Philip Roe    (2009-12-08 05:21:27)
Marcs notes

Thibault,

Presumably if these notes do come to light you will put them where all of the participants in Thematic 100 (and any subsequent sections) can see them.

Perhaps if they form the basis for a monograph, somebody might be prepared to edit it.


Philip Roe    (2009-12-09 21:59:40)
Wiiliam

Using that trick I can get either to the chessbazaar homepage or to the Basman-Sale index. After that I get stuck because none of the links seem to go anywhere. Im not a very sophisticated web searcher!


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-11 18:26:41)
Rent Rybka4

Well, I have been very vocal on the rybka forum. I have told Vas the rental idea is crazy and I wont subscribe to it. Furthermore I am reluctant to spend my hard earned retirement resources for a dumbed down R4.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-11 21:08:34)
clock implementation

Hello Thibault. In my tournament SM11 my clock increment may not have been added after first 10 moves in all my games. If you have a time stamp would you please examine it. My remaining days left does not suggest that 40 moves have been added at end of the 10 move slot in my games. Knowing my operating habits it sure sound wrong.

Understand this please, unless you can verify with time stamp or whatever I do not want any adjustments. I will play as the remaining time in each game remains. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-11 21:32:06)
40 days increment

Hi Wayne, I see no problem with the clocks, I can see in the logs that 40 days have been added after move 10, you can see it in our game at least where you have more than 40 days remaining. About the other games, your opponents played fast, that may be a reason, by the way you also take several days per move in our 8 games match. Too many running games may be another reason (I know that :))

Time flies away, definitely !


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-11 21:56:40)
clock implementation

Okey dokey Thibault, case closed. I must pay more attention to timers. I confess to not paying much attention. In hindsite it just did not look right. :)
Wayne


Vjacheslav Perevozchikov    (2009-12-14 18:18:34)
support for XFCC

Hi Tibault!
Do you plan to implement this great feature - http://www.xfcc.org/ ?
New Aquarium 2010 and «old» CB10 both support it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-14 21:43:53)
XFCC

I remember this question on this forum, maybe one year ago. I can't remember why I decided to be lazy again :)

I downloaded the specification, I'll look at it within a few days/weeks.

Thanks for the reminder!


Anthony Ibbitson    (2009-12-15 20:22:07)
How to join a game?

How do I join a game on here? It would seem that I can only join tournaments?!


Hannes Rada    (2009-12-15 22:33:19)
XFCC

Maybe its counterproductive to implement this feature.
Because than there is no need to visit www.ficgs.com anymore. You could do everything with XECTool (However this tool written by Andres Valverde will not be developed further).


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-15 22:39:15)
XFCC

Yes, that's the point.

I'm not sure if it is a real problem, maybe it's worth a try after all...


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-17 11:16:54)
3dGo

True, thanks Philip.

I created a thread at GoDiscussions on that topic, a member mentioned another discussion :

http://godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10871
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250

It reminds me that I played 3d Blokus a few months ago, it is a quite strange game also, particularly compared to 2d-squared Blokus !


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-12-19 17:22:51)
Wikimedia

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Chess

Did you look here?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-21 20:03:52)
ID

Hello Luc-Olivier,

Well, I cannot force it... who can ? Not FICGS, nor Facebook or other sites who ask for the real names as well, obviously.

Anyway, as far as I can remember it is legal to ask for & store real names in a database if you have an 'obvious' reason to do it. However if you can prove that something is illegal at FICGS, I'll be grateful for that and be sure that I'll make the necessary changes !


Rolf Staggat    (2009-12-22 12:24:54)
A Horse with no Name - America

I´ve been through the desert on a horse with no name,
it felt good to be out of the rain,
in the desert you can remember your name,
cause there ain´t no one for to give you no pain.


Hannes Rada    (2009-12-23 20:35:19)
Merry Christmas !

Merry Christmas !
Feliz Navidad !
Frohe Weihnachten !

to all FICGS members !

Please add season's greetings in a few more languages ..(Italian, French,....)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-23 21:08:35)
Curious opening

What do you think about this opening (by Luc Olivier Leclerc in Wikichess) ?

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=wikichess&article=8732

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4 d4 4.b4

Complex.. may be a future thematic ;)


Hannes Rada    (2009-12-23 23:08:52)
bad software :-)

No problem, Thibault.
I realized there was already a "Merry Christmas thread 2 years ago".
Maybe that's the reason: The software only accepts 1 thread, or does not like Christmas :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-24 14:28:18)
USCF / FIDE & other ratings

Hi all,

As you know FIDE / ICCF / IECG ratings can be accepted as provisional or established (in the case of ICCF & IECG) ratings at FICGS. I cannot even remember why USCF ratings weren't accepted so far, it should be the case soon. As far as I can remember, the only point is that USCF_rating ~ FIDE_rating + 100 or the other way.

Do you know other official rating lists (that are not included in FIDE & USCF) available on the internet that should be considered ?

Same question for Go, it seems to me that only AGA & EGF ratings are available on the internet. Do you know if chinese, japanese & korean ratings are available as well ?


Michel van der Kemp    (2009-12-24 17:45:38)
More Xmas

Vrolijk kerstfeest (Dutch)
Frohe Weihnachten (German)

and here are few more:
http://www.worldofchristmas.net/merry-christmas.html


Pablo Schmid    (2009-12-26 22:21:54)
Rating calculation

Hello Thibault, j'aurais préféré parler en français mais puisque je suis sur le forum...

Could you explain how exactly chess rating's calculation works in ficgs?

And I think games with 10 moves or less should be counted, maybe not every games but sometimes 8 or 9 moves can be sufficient to punish someone (nice miniatures or quick mates are possibles) and it enables the loser to resign (or be mated) without losing points. An example of an abusive situation: imagine I play the Traxler and I resign before 10 moves if I see a good choosed line by my opponent which I don't like to play as Black because I know I might suffer or even lose...

J'espère que je t'aurai convaincu et que mon exemple ne donnera pas de mauvaises idées! Sur ce, bonnes fêtes, Pablo


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-27 01:50:07)
Chess rating calculation

Hello Pablo! Bonnes fêtes également :)

All rating rules are explained here (there's a french version), feel free to ask if you have any question.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html

About the 10 moves rule, why 10 more than 9 or 8... well there must be a clear rule & easy to remember. I don't think that miniatures are a big problem, there may be an "unfair" situation in some rare cases, but it shouldn't happen at 2100+ elo ratings. The rule may be not perfect but I did not find a better one yet (any idea? :)).


Pablo Schmid    (2009-12-27 13:42:31)
Rating calculation

Salut Thibault, bon j'écris en français cette fois, j'ai lu les explications sur les calculs mais ça me semble assez obscur, alors je vais poser des questions proches de ma situation. Imaginons que je commence un tournoi 2000-2200 avec un rating à 2000 pile et que je fais un score de 50% contre des joueurs à 2050 de moyenne, en théorie je devrais gagner quelques points non? Et maintenant mon classement réel a monté depuis le début du tournoi disons à 2120, et du coup le 50% contre cette moyenne à 2050 me ferait perdre des points si on compte mon rating le plus récent. Alors est-ce que c'est mon ELO de départ qui va être pris en compte ou mon ELO actuel? En gros je suis en train de me demander s'il est intéressant de commencer un tournoi avant la nouvelle liste avec un classement supérieur sur cette liste, ou si cela ne change rien voire désavantageux...

J'espère que tu auras compris ma question et merci d'avance pour ta réponse :)

A +

Pablo


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-27 14:08:37)
10 moves rule

IMO this rule is important because :

1) It dissuades cheating by creating several accounts playing together through proxies... This rule makes it really hard to win some points this way, it would be detected even more easily.

2) In many cases, new players (who did not realize that computer assistance was authorized, who do not like the correspondence time controls or who just wanted to try) forfeit their games after 3 or 4 moves rather than let it go. There is no doubt to me that this phenomenon would have much more bad effects on ratings.

3) It is likely that a player who "miniatures" another player is actually much stronger than his opponent, so his rating shouldn't increase so much.


Finally and that's the main point IMO, "unfair" situations are statistically negligible compared to the other possible rules. See the other servers...

So far I'm quite convinced that it is one of the best implemented rules here, and this is exactly the way I optimise the programs: "Statistics give better results than looking for perfection" :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-27 19:13:04)
Rating calculation

Re... nos réponses précédentes se sont croisées, désolé :) Le prochain classement est calculé en tenant compte du classement courant donc cela ne change rien puisque l'on ne peut pas vraiment prévoir quand se termineront les parties... on gagne forcément des points en faisant 50% contre des joueurs qui avaient un TER plus fort que le classement courant, idem dans l'autre sens. En général, la "gestion" des résultats n'influe que très peu sur le classement final.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-27 20:20:33)
Bergmann - Schuster

One of these matches we like to watch :) .. many interesting games and many wins, but I'm afraid it is a good advertisement for the sicilian defense once more, Hannes please help ;)

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_3__000007


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-29 00:56:03)
Rybka demise

Howdy all. I feel like voicing my opinion of Vas and Rybka. I honestly feel his hold on the chess community has weakened to the point of breaking. He has his problems. His source code apparently has been compromized. This has led him to not releasing a Rybka3+ as promised. The release of Rybka4 is very cloudy. Then there is this cloud Rybka internet rentel thing that is supported by no one it seems, me for sure.
Anyways this is just back drop for recent developments in free software engines that are very strong and are pushing R3 in ratings. I am thinking about the following engines, that I have downloaded and find very interesting AND strong :

Stockfish 1.6
Brite 0.4A
Spark 0.3

I have minimal experience with these engines. I just want all my friend here on FICGS to be aware of them and if interested they can download them and be on equal footing. My wish is for better chess and I have no ambition to have secret progams.
The important thing I feel is that the loss of Rybka engine does not put much of dent in play quality. It was gonna happen sooner or later, and now it seems sooner.
My honest evaluation today is that Rybka3 still provides the best insite to best mid game play.
I want to put in a word for Zappa. I fairly often use Zappa as my CC engine partner because of better end game analysis. Rybka has no peer in mid game analysis. Well I share these thought with you all for what it may be worth. Best 2010 Cheers. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-29 14:37:07)
Rybka demise

Thanks for sharing your views on the current computer chess world, Wayne. It is always interesting :) As for Rybka, I did not (want to) imagine this outcome... I continue to think that the little fish would have been catched by her older brothers within a few months/years. But if Rybka's source code has indeed been compromised, the future of chess engines is quite uncertain.

In a way, it could have some interesting consequences for correspondence chess to see clones with the same strength playing different chess.


William Taylor    (2009-12-29 15:49:17)
Rybka demise

Thanks Wayne - an interesting post. I've downloaded Stockfish and am currently testing it against Rybka - 50% so far. While searching for the engines you mentioned I came across an engine called RobboLito (and Ippolit and Igorrit which are similar I believe). Opinion seems to be divided as to whether or not it is a Rybka clone, and how strong it is. Is this what you were referring to when you said Rybka's code may have been compromised? Any opinion on RobboLito?


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-29 18:40:55)
Rybka demise

William, wow, These are new engines for me, I will look for them.
On cloning, Stockfish is not the engine cloned as for as I know. There are two other engines for which I have downloaded because the moderators of the Rybka forum have deleted all reference to them, including engine name and download site. Vas has admitted that one in particuliar is a clone and the cloning programmer had discussions with Vas letting him know what he was doing, very interesting. Since both these engines are free downloadable making the source code available for all other programmers. It is common on the forum discussions about R3 source code being compromised. Thank you for sharing your Stockfish- Rybka testing results. What time control are your test run. Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-29 18:45:35)
Rybka demise

Ooops sorry, I meant to say two engines I have NOT down loaded
Wayne


William Taylor    (2009-12-29 18:46:30)
Rybka demise

I wasn't suggesting that Stockfish was a Rybka clone - I was talking about RobboLito.

My testing of Stockfish vs Rybka was not serious - just a 12-game blitz match (4 minutes with 2 seconds increment). Rybka won 6.5 - 5.5, so not a bad performance by Stockfish, but we can't draw any real conclusions from such a test.


Sebastien Benoit    (2009-12-30 17:22:55)
On reverse enginerring

I'v read some of the arguments for and against the theory that RobboLito is a Rybka clone and I must say that I'm more inclined to beleive it is not. But for those who think that the reverse engineering of a software as complex as Rybka is not possible... sorry but it is possible! A team ( don't know how many guys would be needed) of good computer scientists would certainly be able to reverse engineer enough of it to get a global picture of what kind of optimisations it has. And remember that computer chess is not new and a lot of knowledge is available trough books and of course, the web.

Some are claiming that a reverse engineered clone of Rybka would have the same level of functionality as the original. They say that, because they don't really understand the process. Reverse engineering doesn't necessarily lead to an approximate clone of the origninal source code. It is more a process of understanding how it works. Once you got this understanding you can write from scratch and add incrementally whatever functionnality you desire.


Wayne Lowrance    (2009-12-30 19:10:08)
Rybka clone

Nick I think you have hit the nail on the head. Yes that is suspicious. Commercial programmers of programs like shreddar, Fritz, Junior and Zappa, etc have worked a long time and not come to Rybka playing floor yet. So it would seem unreasonable these recent free programs have made the jump mostly right at the start. A huge compliment to Vas I would say
Wayne


William Taylor    (2009-12-30 22:17:44)
Wayne

Stockfish is not a commercial program, and has only been released relatively recently (I think), but it is already at about the level of Rybka. I know it's based on Glaurung, which has had years of work put into it, but perhaps Robbo is also based on a strong open source program. I'm not saying Robbo's not a Rybka clone - very likely it is - I'm just pointing out that it is possible for free, open source programs to approach or surpass the level of commercial ones.

On another note, for anyone interested I ran a quick 12xRR 2 2 tournament today with Rybka 3 32-bit, Stockfish 1.6 JA and RobboLito 0.085g3 w32. Rybka scored 13/24, Stockfish 12/24, and Robbo 11/24. Of course, the time control was very quick and I'm not putting this result forward as a serious test, but it seems that the 3 (or 2) may be close enough to be competitive. An interesting time for computer chess.


Luc-Olivier Leclerc    (2009-12-30 22:35:09)
games

A little bump, we can say.


I have just finished 7 games with that gambit, winning them all. And not only with poor players.

Some games where really sharp.... The move c4.... is something to look for.


William Taylor    (2010-01-03 11:59:09)
ECF

English Chess Federation grades are available online here:http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/
They are very different to FIDE ratings, but can be converted fairly accurately using the formula: ECF x 8 + 650 = FIDE

As for go, I believe at least the Chinese, probably the Koreans, and possibly the Japanese do publish rating lists online, but it would be difficult for me to find them - your best bet is asking on godiscussions.com.


William Taylor    (2010-01-04 18:35:41)
Rodolfo

I haven't managed to get hold of anything other than the Basman-Sale index page, so I second Philip's request for you to make the files you downloaded generally available somehow. Perhaps Thib could host them - or if not then maybe you could upload them to some site like rapidshare?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-01-04 19:08:52)
New feature implemented

This is it... Now everyone can discuss any finished game ! Players & participants of the discussion will be notified by email if they checked the "email notification" option for forums in Preferences.

Feel free to report any bug. Any feedback welcome ! :)


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-01-04 19:37:53)
Reversed Benko

Hello guys,

appears to me like some sort of
reversed Wolga Benko Gambit and seems
rather interesting.


Scott Nichols    (2010-01-05 05:06:18)
Poker Software?

This has come up alot recently. I'm sure there are many claims by new programs that tout their analytical ability. Sure they could give you the best statistical move, but could they bluff? I think their play would be predictable and easy to beat. I don't use them and wouldn't trust them. Just one man's opinion, any others?


Nick Burrows    (2010-01-05 05:13:56)
Poker Software?

I think they could be very effective at playing lots of low-level sit n go's.
Bad play is easily beaten with a simple system.
They would be useless in mtt's or against good players, where you need more sublety, bluffs & traps based on the observed patterns of your opponents.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-01-05 07:40:22)
Poker Software?

There was several discussions on poker engines, one is there :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=7510

I can't find the thread where someone talked about a match between a poker engine & a world champion but as far as I can remember, the poker engine won! Anyway I'm quite sure that a program may play quite good poker now. The question is how it could "understand" a complete situation like here with 3 winning rounds and so on...


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2010-01-05 09:40:32)
Marc Lacrosse memorial

Hi every buddy, I placed the files somewhere in this site:

http://rodolfo_3.tripod.com/

Maybe later I will put them in something like rapidshare.

Cherries

Rodolfo


Michel van der Kemp    (2010-01-05 16:55:19)
If anyone could comment any game...

Thank you.

Would it also be possible to link the new comments back to the forum? So people now which comments were made? Or some other way to browse through the comments?

Could be interesting if some high class players would comment their games.


Gino Figlio    (2010-01-07 05:51:27)
Fed Up

It does not really matter in my opinion.
Players will always use the best engine.
Players will always prefer the engine that shows consistent improvement version after version.
You just need to find out what engine fits this description on your own.



Philip Roe    (2010-01-08 05:09:47)
Marc Lacrosse memorial

Thank you, Rodolfo!

Marc did indeed put enormous effort into this labor of love. I do wonder what his plans were.

I see that there are a lot of ICC games which were presumably speed games of some sort, and perhaps need to be taken with a grain of salt. Anyhow, it doesn't seem that I have made any blunders yet.


Don Groves    (2010-01-11 07:56:19)
Accept Draw and resign......

Remember Murphy's Law, Rodolfo -- if something can go wrong, it will ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-01-12 09:28:43)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

Hello all,

Two players reported a problem for the "My games" page when both 'pending' & 'poker games' (click the icon next to "Here are your pending games") are selected and only in this case. The page wouldn't auto-refresh correctly when there's a new move to play.

As it works fine for me, I would like to know if other players experience the same problem.

Thank you!


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-01-13 01:14:36)
Fed Up

Me neither Thibault, and I dont even use it :) Just trying to get a feel on my own, with all those guys on the R forum reporting all sorts of baloney. The engine I use often as backup is Zappa, I like that program, too bad the programmar has no time from his academic Phd work. Wayne


Don Groves    (2010-01-14 01:18:54)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

It happens to me and I'm using Firefox, if that makes any difference.


Don Burden    (2010-01-14 18:45:42)
Quote festival, part 6

Ah, beer! The cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems.
Homer Simpson.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-01-14 19:56:25)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

... and it happens only sometimes, right? Quite strange.

Do other players experience the same?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-01-20 18:03:35)
No newsletter

Hello Paolo, it is now possible by changing the email notification option in Preferences.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-01-22 01:56:21)
Newsletter

You should have received an email to the address you registered with (or you entered in Preferences). Maybe it went to the spam folder :)


Alexander Blinchevsky    (2010-01-23 22:37:31)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

It happens to me for last few days too. I am playing only chess games and usually use "running" option. Firefox 3.5 is used.


Don Groves    (2010-01-24 00:36:29)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

I use "pending games" and it happens every time I have only one pending game. Whether it's Poker or Go doesn't matter. Two or more pending games -- it works fine.


Aliyu Bori    (2010-01-24 04:21:17)
Quote festival, part 6

I dont move my porns as a sacrifice cos they are not officers, i move my porns cos i anticipate them to be officers.


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-01-24 19:34:39)
Resign before 10th move

Hello HOST,

I didnt know about this forum earlier and posted in the International Chat. I am sorry for that stupid mistake of mine. But the problem which i faced now is this. There is a guy whom i defeated in all 4 meetings where i played vs. him. This poor guy found me yet again and having known by now that he cant beat me, he simply resigned. I have no grievance against him. But in my very first Rapid B tour here at ficgs, i got an advantage of +-1.00 (approx.) vs. a player who simply resigned after my white 10th move. This meant that though I am awarded with a win, yet because my opponent resigned simply instead of playing the 10th move, he denied me earning some elo. That also implies that he saved his elo by simply resigning.

I dont know much above this site as i am pretty new to this. However, i have been already a victim of this sort of activities. For e.g., I could simply resign when i play bad openings and evals dip before 10th move and i can simply save my elo. That means i can simply resign vs. Big Guys as Black and play as Black only vs. weak players.

Just thought to express my views. Rest upto the moderators


Daniel Parmet    (2010-01-26 01:01:46)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!

Carlsen mentioned to the media after his game with Shirov that the improvement in the game of 22... Bc3 was taken from a Correspondence game he found. (Carlsen's own old novelty was 22... Be5 where he lost to Shirov). This is at least the third time i've heard Carlsen using correspondence games for his own opening research and I know also Peter Leko does this. How many supergms you think are accessing all the correspondence sites around the world looking at our opening ideas?! Cute thought!


Don Groves    (2010-01-26 06:42:48)
Kasparov article on computers in chess

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23592?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailmarketingsoftware&utm_content=854563622&utm_campaign=February112010issue+_+olrukk&utm_term=TheChessMasterandtheComputer


Daniel Parmet    (2010-01-26 20:50:07)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!

Here is the Shirov-Carlsen game 1/2-1/2 from Corus where Carlsen mentions the improvement of 22... Bc3 came from Corr
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1569959

Here is the Shirov-Carlsen game 1-0 where it was Carlsen's Novelty 22... Be5

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1545366

Someone find the Corr game he refers to?


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2010-01-27 21:06:17)
Go chinese rules: should pass count?

The question is not posed very clearly, and it seems that more explanation is required. Passes do not count in "chinese rules" per se. I think that maybe some confusion arose because there are some rule sets that put some value on all or specific passes.

Anyway, you should read e.g. this very nice write-up of the matters to consider, "On the rules of Go" by Ikeda Toshio, which you can find at gobase:

http://gobase.org/studying/rules/ikeda/


Zholy Zhou    (2010-01-29 03:22:40)
make cool 3D flash banners for website

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Lazaro Munoz    (2010-01-29 06:05:09)
Piece Values in Big Chess

I am amazed at the number of opponents that are still applying piece value from regular chess in big chess.

I made some regression analysis based on what we value in regular chess in terms of mobility and applied to big chess. Using the pawn and knight as the standard since in both games 3 pawns will probably beat a knight (if they are separated far enough). I assigned the pawn the value of 1 and and knight a value of 3 and extrapolated variables that we seem to use in valuing the other pieces such as number of squares it can reach, and penalty for being stuck on the same color.

I got the following values:

Pawn=1
Knight=3
Bishop=7 **
Rook=9
Queen=16

** The bishop value changes by pairs available, for example 4 white square bishops don't even come close to value 2 white squares and 2 black squares bishops so this is best value but it can go down to 6 or even 5 as pairs are lost.

Interesting, just like in chess a rook+bishop almost equals a queen and two rooks beat a queen. And a queen equals the value of the pawns (ok similar).

I still find opponents who exchange bishops for knights with impunity, not knowing the true values of the pieces.

I notice that nobody has ever mentioned this. I hope I did not give out some deep secret.

Of course you mileage may vary.

--laz


Scott Nichols    (2010-01-30 02:02:34)
Quote festival, part 6

Chess wasn't "solved", anymore than the mysteries of the universe are "solved". Obviously, Dave Daring doesn't play chess. All that happened was that a human lost to a computer at the game of chess. Did we think when calculators came out way back when, and could out calculate humans that mathematics was "solved"?


Scott Nichols    (2010-01-31 01:04:06)
1st team tournament : games & results !

Hello everyone! I thought it was time for an update to our first team tournament. I will give my totally (doesn't mean a thing) IMHO the outcome here. After looking at all the unfinished game positions, consulting the stars, and taking into account there is a full moon tonight...here is what I think will be the first four teams. Tied for third will be---The Dark Knights & The Yellow-Blue Warriors! One point ahead of them will be----The Knights who say "Ni"!, give them a hand. And finally, a full two points ahead of the field is the winners-----FSF En Passant!! Of course, like I said this is just my humble opinion. Seriously, one game to watch is #32188 between two up and coming players who just broke over 2300 each and still climbing, Boehme vs Hladky.


Vjacheslav Perevozchikov    (2010-01-31 03:50:01)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!

1) Ruppel,Frank (2144) - Zwicker,Thomas (2186) [B33]
GER-ch36 V7 email GER email, 29.03.2004, 0-1

2) Vidalina,Franjo (2252) - Kabachev,Andrey (2184)
WC-2006-F-00005 LSS, 12.09.2007, 0-1

3) Klatt,Otto (2470) - Pivinsky,Evgeny Grigorievich (2457) [B33]
Baltic Sea tt8 ICCF webserver, 01.03.2008, 1/2


IMO Magnus meant the game #2 ;)


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-01-31 11:54:48)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!

The Vidalina-Kabachev games goes:

[Event "WC-2006-F-00005"]
[Site "LSS"]
[Date "2007.9.12"]
[Round ""]
[White "Vidalina, Franjo"]
[Black "Kabachev, Andrey"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco ""]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.c4 f5 14.O-O O-O 15.Qh5 Rb8 16.exf5 e4 17.Rae1 Bb7 18.Qg4 Rfe8 19.cxb5 d5 20.bxa6 Bc6 21.b3 Kh8 22.Nc2 Bc3 23.Be2 Qf6 24.Rd1 Rg8 25.Qf4 d4 26.Bc4 d3 27.Ne1 Be5 28.Qe3 Rg5 29.g3 Rxf5 30.Ng2 Rg8 31.Rc1 Bd4 32.Qd2 Rf3 33.Rce1 Rgxg3 0-1

Interestingly Shirov played 23. Qh3 in his game. Rybka thought the move absolutely sucked and would have responded with the material grab: 23...Bxe1 24. Rxe1 Qc5 25. Bf1 Qxc2 giving it +0.11. It thought that white was much better before 23. Qh3 with the simple 23. Be2 (as was played by Vidalina).

Vidalina may have resigned prematurely since after 34. hxg3 Rxg3 35. Re3, Black is better and has some attacking chances there does not seem to be knock-out move.


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2010-01-31 14:38:58)
Go chinese rules: should pass count?

There is an official french ruleset that is, as far as I recall, almost exactly the same as the AGA rules. Look here, and with regard to the pass stones, also note the section "Méthode de décompte rapide":

http://jeudego.org/_php/regleGo_intro.php

This explanation uses area scoring throughout, except for the faster scoring method explained in the last section mentioned above. Pass stones are only needed for this faster scoring method. It is mostly irrelevant for scoring games on a computer.

The french rules are almost exactly what you seem to intend with your reference to chinese rules, except that they use situational instead of positional superko (see section "répétition").


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-02-03 14:39:33)
GO: Game 32800

There is a game Shengxian-Xiangren, rotated a bit:
(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0] GN[s2005-08-09tc] PW[Huang Xiangren]WR[4p] PB[Lin Shengxian]BR[7p] EV[Guoshou (Taiwan), 1st]RO[League] DT[2005-08-09] KM[6.5] RE[W+10.5] T[Region:Taiwan];B[od];W[dp];B[pq];W[po] ;B[ed];W[qq];B[qk];W[pr];B[oq];W[or] ;B[qp];W[pp];B[nq];W[rq];B[qd];W[kc] ;B[ic];W[gc];B[eb];W[ib];B[hb];W[ob] ;B[jb];W[pc];B[pd];W[kb];B[ie];W[nc] ;B[qb];W[dc];B[ec];W[ce];B[cg];W[dd] ;B[ef];W[db];B[cn];W[fp];B[en];W[gn] ;B[jp];W[fl];B[dl];W[co];B[bn];W[hp] ;B[no];W[qi];B[oj];W[qc];B[rc];W[rb] ;B[sb];W[oh];B[ra];W[nd];B[ne];W[me] ;B[nf];W[mh];B[lg];W[id];B[hd];W[jd] ;B[hc];W[le];B[ki];W[nj];B[nk];W[mg] ;B[gm];W[mj];B[bf];W[be];B[hm];W[hk] ;B[jl];W[ei];B[ci];W[hh];B[ii];W[hi] ;B[ij];W[eg];B[cq];W[dq];B[bp];W[cr] ;B[br];W[cp];B[bq];W[jq];B[kq];W[iq] ;B[qn];W[qo];B[pn];W[qg];B[kr];W[mk] ;B[ok];W[re];B[pb];W[nr];B[oo];W[rn] ;B[rm];W[ro];B[ph];W[pg];B[pi];W[qh] ;B[og];W[mf];B[dr];W[er];B[cs];W[ff] ;B[ml];W[ee];B[gd];W[cj];B[bj];W[ck] ;B[bk];W[cl];B[el];W[ek];B[di];W[dh] ;B[df];W[ch];B[bh];W[bl];B[ak];W[dj] ;B[bi];W[de];B[dg];W[eh];B[da];W[ca] ;B[ea];W[bb];B[gk];W[gl];B[fm];W[hj] ;B[hl];W[fk];B[pf];W[rj];B[rk];W[oc] ;B[rd];W[oi];B[pj];W[qf];B[qe];W[sf] ;B[is];W[hr];B[io];W[kk];B[ll];W[ik] ;B[jk];W[kj];B[jj];W[mr];B[gg];W[fe] ;B[hf];W[bg];B[ag];W[cf];B[bg];W[bo] ;B[al];W[ao];B[es];W[fr];B[mq];W[hn] ;B[in];W[ka];B[eo];W[ep];B[sj];W[si] ;B[qj];W[sk];B[sl];W[rg];B[je];W[jc] ;B[ia];W[lr];B[lq];W[gh];B[kl];W[li] ;B[lk];W[lj];B[lh];W[ni];B[jh];W[ng] ;B[of];W[kf];B[bm];W[dk];B[sj];W[ri] ;B[sd];W[se];B[oa];W[na];B[pa];W[dm] ;B[em];W[dn];B[ai];W[il];B[im];W[fd] ;B[fc];W[ja];B[ib];W[fs];B[ds];W[ke] ;B[fg];W[fh];B[go];W[ho];B[fo];W[gp] ;B[ls];W[ms];B[ks];W[op];B[np];W[ih] ;B[sn];W[so];B[ap];W[jg];B[kh];W[hs] ;B[ae];W[ad];B[ip];W[ir];B[js];W[hg] ;B[gf];W[if];B[he];W[jf];B[af];W[sk] ;B[bd];W[ac];B[sj];W[sm];B[sk];W[sn])




Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2010-02-03 18:25:37)
Go chinese rules: should pass count?

Pass stones are irrelevant for area counting, so I think that you should not even mention them. It would only cause confusion.

Pass stones and last move compensation are methods to reconcile area and territory scoring. Last move compensation has another merit: in area scoring, the usually possible results always differ by two points, because when a point changes ownership, it is a loss of one point for one and a gain of one point for the other player. Last move compensation "sharpens" the possible results, and makes scoring very similar to territory scoring. However, this also is not necessary, so, at least as long as you don't fully understand this yourself, I would advise to keep simple area scoring and not mention anything else.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-05 21:48:48)
Advanced games : Problems & solutions

Hi all,

There's a real problem with the advanced games so far, anyone who tested it lost on time at least once without having played and/or won a game because his opponent forgot to play or to retire from the waiting list.

The challenges partly solves the problem as the program verifies if both players are connected to the server (also I added some warning messages explaining how to use the advanced games) but it seems it is far to be enough.....

Anyway I agree that a web interface is not really designed to such games, particularly when it is hard to find an opponent for these games (which is probably the main problem).

Whatever the way, both opponents should probably be able to discuss just before their game in the chat bar, so one solution would be to verify if the players wrote (or even posted a kind of "start" message) in the chat bar during the last few minutes, it would be a way to be "SURE" that both players are ready to play, even if I'm not sure that it would be enough again.

In my opinion, no more advanced game should start if both opponents did not confirm their presence to the other player in the chat bar.

Any opinion on this ? Any other idea to solve this ?

Thanks in advance and sorry again to all players who experienced this.


Scott Nichols    (2010-02-05 22:05:29)
Advanced games : Problems & solutions

If you could figure a way to automatically remove the player from the waiting list if he signs off. Of course some players stay signed on, even if they are not at computer. That solution eludes me I'm afraid.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-05 22:39:18)
Advanced games : Problems & solutions

When a player signs off (or sign on), his challenges are cancelled, the problem is that players rarely sign off (/logout) anyway. And it would partly solve the problem only, this is a web interface, people jump on other pages while waiting an opponent and just forget, even pop up windows are not enough.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-08 13:40:22)
vacances

oui, c'est bien là le principe des vacances, le temps de la personne qui en prend est gelé pendant cette durée. pour voir d'un coup d'oeil si vos adversaires prennent des vacances, vous pouvez laisser la liste de "Mes parties" en mode "running" (ou 'parties en cours'), le nom des adversaires qui sont en vacances se trouve grisé.


Henri-Louis Muller    (2010-02-08 09:19:50)
temps de reflexion !

j'ai l'impression que certaines pendules de mes adversaires fonctionnent à l'envers. Hier un joueur qui n'a plus répondu depuis plus de 3 semaines, avait encore 3 jours de disponibles . Ce jour, le lendemain donc, sa pendule était remontée à 4 jours ( au lieu de 2 !!) !!! Dröle de décompte. Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà constaté de tels faits ??


Brice Boucher    (2010-02-08 11:09:09)
temps de reflexion !

Bonjour,
vous jouez surement un tournoi de 30j + 1j/coup (en clair, vous commencez avec un capitale de 30 jours, et vous gagnez un jour a chaque coup joué.


Henri Muller    (2010-02-08 12:27:54)
temps de reflexion !

Exact Brice ! MAIS mon adversaire n'a plus répondu depuis près de 25 jours et il a bénéficié d'un jour de réflexion EN PLUS !!?? Comprends pas ??
Il lui restait TROIS jours hier, et aujourd'hui QUATRE jours, et ce sans qu'il ait joué de coup !!?? Bizarre non ??


Brice Boucher    (2010-02-08 13:10:36)
temps de reflexion !

ok Henri, alors peu etre a t il prit un jour de "vacance" ? cela lui aurait ajouter un jour.


Henri-Louis Muller    (2010-02-08 15:49:13)
temps de reflexion !

hello Brice ! ben NON - il n'a pas pris de vacances et RIEN n'est indiqué - sauf qu'il a déjà perdu d'autres parties au temps !!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-09 09:56:55)
temps de reflexion !

Je confirme que l'adversaire en question (mentionné par email) était bien en vacances du 20 - 1 - 2010 , 18:46:11 au 4 - 2 - 2010 , 18:46:11

L'explication était donc bien là.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-09 15:54:45)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

Finally... I may have found where the problem comes from, this bug should have happened in some rare cases. This is fixed now, thanks for your feedback !


Garvin Gray    (2010-02-09 16:08:18)
Advanced games : Problems & solutions

An idea might be set a time period that challenges are valid for ie after a person sends out challenges or joins the waiting list, if no one has accepted inside a certain time period (say 15 minutes) the challenge automatically expires.

If the challenger wants to keep their challenge going, they have to re-send, helping to ensure that they are online, or at least near the computer.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-09 18:55:17)
Vocal message

A new small improvement, now FICGS should announce (in the pop up window) the start of a new advanced game with a vocal message. This will not totally solve the problem, but it gives some more chances to not miss the start of a game.


Nigel Colter    (2010-02-09 19:27:42)
Clock not running

Hi Thibault

They are now working for me also!

This must have been a temporary glitch for my computer/internet connection.

Regards
Nigel


Don Groves    (2010-02-10 06:15:21)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

Isn't debugging fun?


Don Groves    (2010-02-10 08:07:01)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

Ooops - it still doesn't work if I have only one game pending...


Don Groves    (2010-02-10 08:22:28)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

Now it has worked twice with only one pending game!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-10 09:26:32)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?

Ooof, yes I just made a change. So it may work fine now, finally. Thanks :)


Peter Unger    (2010-02-18 16:27:33)
implementation of the XFCC protocol

Is FICGS compatible with the XFCC protocol? I ask because Aquarium 2010 update 4.03 has implemented.
see: http://www.chesscafe.com/chessok/chessok.htm


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-18 17:36:46)
implementation of the XFCC protocol

Hi Peter, no it isn't and the question is always "should it be"...

A past discussion on this :

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=7973


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2010-02-21 02:51:44)
Learning Go

Recently, someone asked how to learn Go, or who would teach Go, on the side bar chat. The question and my answer has been removed from there, so I'll post some hints here.

First, to learn the rules, I would recommend "The Interactive Way to Go" at http://playgo.to/iwtg/en

To learn playing, play as much as possible, first on small boards (9x9), then going to bigger ones (13x13, 19x19) when you feel that you can keep track of the game there. Play with proper handicaps to keep the game even and improve your feeling for the board.

Teaching can take the form of simple game reviews, where the stronger player analyzes a single game and shows the weakest points and how to correct them; the "Go Teaching Ladder" organizes a lot of such reviews (http://gtl.xmp.net). It can also be done in interactive sessions; these require either face to face contact or a "live" server, though (e.g. KGS at http://gokgs.com). It is generally thought that the teacher should be about 5 stones stronger than the pupil.

Especially in the beginning, the advice is to play, play, play, and not be too fixated on ranks or winning percentages.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-22 01:21:35)
Rating calculation

What do you mean exactly a game's rating?

Rating calculation takes account of the Tournament Entry Ratings (TER) for each game and of course the current player's rating when the calculation occurs.

See - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-02-22 17:15:31)
Rating calculation

Maybe this will help: a simplification of the involved equation.
New elo= (a) x elo + (TER opponents avg.)/a
So you see a new rating is based on elo and ter. The variables (a) & (b) are simplified to remove non elo numberical values so that the expression is easier to see.
Hope this helps
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-22 23:23:05)
E-point tournament

Yes, it would be great of course and actually it was implemented a few years ago, but there was no players enough with Epoints... Maybe we could envisage it again soon.


Ulrich Imbeck    (2010-02-23 01:59:54)
Learning Go

http://www.goproblems.com/ seems to be nice.


Garvin Gray    (2010-02-24 11:21:51)
Ficgs clock setting

Hello Thibault,

The ficgs clock seems to be 'out' by ten minutes ie it is always ten minutes in front. If it is 10 past the hour by my clock, the ficgs clock will say it is 20 past. This happens regardless of what time of day it is.

Has anyone else noticed this?


Pablo Schmid    (2010-02-24 18:46:11)
Conditional moves

Hello Thibault, I don't know if that proposition has been made in the past, but there are somes servers that use conditionnal moves, it's an useful tool to win time for both players on forced moves. Do you think it would be possible to put that fonction in ficgs?


Je profite au passage pour te demander ce que tu penses finalement du règlement sur 3 fois la même position.


Hannes Rada    (2010-02-25 13:50:31)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)

Dear Iouri

This is the so called Dead Man Defense(DMD) ....
There are various reasons to play that defense:

1.) Your opponent does not like you
2.) Your opponent does not find the 'resign checkbox'
3.) Your opponent does not want to risk his rating and therefore delays his loss until the next rating calculation period
4.) In good old correspondenc chess times, a player had to write down the words 'I resign' on a postcard - nowadays modern technolgy helps a lot - the player has only to tick a 'resign checkbox' and click a 'send-button' - but this seems task seems still to hard ....


Garvin Gray    (2010-02-26 19:13:30)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)

I thought it was a rule on this site that as soon as a tablebase win appears it can be claimed.

I certainly remember this being discussed in the forum and being agreed to.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-02-27 00:14:28)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)

I can't remember such a rule, but this has been discussed for sure... It seems to me that we concluded that any player (so a player without engines as well) should be able to "see" the end of the game -particularly difficult endgames- if he does not last it for any DMD purpose.


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-02-27 16:46:21)
Hosting tournaments

Would FICGS be able to host a closed group tournament? For instance lets say some chess club, or group wants to have a tournament. Could they, after getting themselves an id on FICGS send you a request to create a tournament for that group?

As an enhancement for the future you might want to create a group(s) concept that can be stored in each users profile, so that one can in the future create group tournaments that are open to that group. Since this site is built in the spirit of openess it need not be enforced but people should understand that some groups many not want to be so open so they should request it from someone, so maybe the group info should have the user and email of the moderator for that group who will give the ok to join the group.

For instance some groups may want specific language so they converse in their native language in the chat box, or geographic area. Or even opening specialist can create thematic openings (although it could get tricky there if someones enters one these thematic groups and decides to play a different opening).

There really isn't anything like it for free anywhere, ICCF will host tournaments however they charge a fee, for instance.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-03 14:29:25)
Hosting tournaments

Sure it is possible, I would even create such tournaments for free (if not too many ones) but it would be played with FICGS rules which are slightly different from FIDE rules. About players able to create their own tournaments, closed or not, I would have to think about this, I'm not sure it is really necessary as e.g. I always add thematic chess tournaments that I'm suggested, and "private" tournaments may be not so easy to start, but if there is a strong demand, I could arrange that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-03 15:01:34)
Conditionnal moves

Hi Hannes (sorry for the delay).

Well players may save time thanks to conditional moves, but not at the same time and nothing guarantees that it will not be at the advantage of one player only during a particular game. Anyway, a conditional field exists in the database so there is some hope to see it one day, but it will be a big & complex work to make it coherent for the different games. Not for these months as there are other priorities, I'm afraid :/

But feel free to mention the other minor improvements, if I can do it within minutes, it will be done.


Garvin Gray    (2010-03-03 15:32:09)
Conditional moves

I have an improvement for this thread. Fix up the spelling of the title :P


Hannes Rada    (2010-03-03 18:54:05)
Conditionnal moves

Okay Thibault, I don't want to put pressure on you regarding the conditionals, or to take up to much of your time.
But here is one minor improvement (in my opinion).
Can the tournament pages show first the chess notation and then the chess diagram ? It is in my opinion more logic do present it in this way.
What do you think ?


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-03-06 04:21:56)
Help : Tablebases, Rybka 3

I recently had a power failure that crushed my comp. I re installed vista.
Have trouble with R3 executing tablebases.
In a nut shell here is what I can tell you:
My table bases are located on hard drive D:(My Chess- tablebase).
I am pointing to that location for R3 to look for tablebases.
Here is what happens: Using Infinite analysis my pv's are getting TB hits but are not showing the solution path.
Am I missing some file ? some file misplaced ? MY bases are on D, R3 is on C, dont think that is a problem.
I sure could use some help
Thank you
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-07 20:35:54)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !

Hello all...

As you may know, I built the major part of FICGS with a 33 kbps (actually more looking like a 5 to 8 kbps) broadband which is very very slow, even slower than the prehistorical modems... Internet is definitely not a priority in the french campaign (by the way, looks like nothing is not a priority anymore in the french campaign)

Since today, I've got 2 Mbps anyway (thanks to WiMax and Powerline technologies), which means several things :

- Regular freestyle cups (finally !)
- New improvements more regularly.
- I can play advanced chess :)

After a few days of vacation, I should be more active on the server, definitely :)


Dan Rotaru    (2010-03-08 00:49:41)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !

Countryside, rural region or remote location is the closest translation.


Mladen Jankovic    (2010-03-08 11:07:48)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !

Wow, I remember how it is. I had a modem running over a broken phone line until couple of years ago.


Garvin Gray    (2010-03-08 13:29:35)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !

Campaign normally means a contest for elections. The period where the politicians attempt to woo you for your vote.


Benjamin Block    (2010-03-12 16:18:21)
Help : Tablebases, Rybka 3

I like table base. But i never install them on my computer because it takes place. If you have the same problem check this link: http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/endgame-database.html

Save over 1000 GB space free :D


Ralph Deline    (2010-03-12 19:36:04)
Rating calculation

Hi Thibault,
Thanks for your earlier explanation. I wanted to respond sooner but then when I was at the FICGS site, I saw another player, also confused about his chess rating, questioning you about it so I threw in my two cents. In my situation, my opponent was rated about 80 points higher so when I drew, I thought I would actually go up in ratings points instead of down. That is still confusing to me.
Maybe my age is catching up with me, but for fifty years or more, using the formula for establishing ratings in Canada, I was always under the impression that your score and your opponents ratings, with a bit of math thrown in, determined your rating. I know at one time it was possible to win a tournament and lose rating points but I believe that was corrected about a decade or so ago. I wasn't playing for over a decade so I'm not certain on dates.
However, let me acknowledge the fact that I understand what you are saying, play less, win more, and your rating will improve. But I still have a hurdle to overcome. When a lower rated player ties with a highed rated player, regardless of colour, why does he get penalized instead of rewarded for achieving a result that is performing above his present rating? It doesn't seem logical.
You are probably busy and I've taken enough of your time. I don't think I will understand any explanation, you know, can't teach an old dog new tricks, so you don't have to try to explain any further. I just wanted my voice to be heard.
I have had three gross blunders in the last half year so maybe I am playing too many games. I hate to do it, but maybe I will try playing less.
Thanks for listening.
Ralph


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2010-03-13 00:09:43)
Poker Min Bid

Actually, since this is heads-up, one player is always small blind, the other big blind. If the small blind is 1, and the big blind 2, that means that this amount is already in the pot when the players get their hole cards. It is then still the first betting round, so the small blind can then "complete" for 1 (so that his bet in this betting round is now 2), or raise to at least double the big blind. See No-Limit Rules: http://www.pokerlistings.com/texas-holdem-betting-rules

Strategically, the bets should always be seen in relation to the current potsize. This follows from the calculation of odds and outs. It cannot be said that you should at least always bet potsize.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-03-11 00:41:07)
Poker Min Bid

I don't think you should be able to bid less than the blind... bidding one when the blind is two seems wrong.


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-03-13 16:18:17)
English translation

Not to nitpick, but I have seen a lot of references to "inferior" or "superior" when specify ratings or rate of play. In English "inferior" or "superior" are measures of "quality" not "quantity". In English we do not that a rating or rate of play is inferior to another instead we say that it is "less than" or "greater than" depending on whether the first item is larger than second.

If you told a man that his height was "less than" yours he might be slighted but might accept the truth, if it is true; however if you told him that his height was "inferior" to yours, you better get ready to be punched in the face or more likely, if his height really was "less than" yours, be ready to be kicked in the groin area.


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-03-13 19:38:12)
Rating calculation

Hello,

Though i agree that my Rating is calculated on the basis of my opponent's TER in the previous tour plus my present rating, i want to bring on record certain facts, just to check if there is some error.

Rating after 1st March update = 2126

Games won after 1st March, in previous tours, where my TER is lower than the opponents :-

1) Rapid B 000132 (Game# 37866)
2) Rapid B 000137 (Game# 39182)
3) Rapid B 000137 (Game# 39186 - less than 10 moves, so no points for me)
4) Rapid B 000140 (Game# 39605)

Games drawn after 1 March, from the previous tour, where my opponent has better TER than me:-

1) Rapid B 000142 (Game# 40050)

Now, the detailed stats:-

First thing happened is, i drew a game from the previous tour on 1st March itself, i.e. Game# 40050 stated above. What i got is, lost my rating by 12 points. That means (2126-12 = 2114)

I gained 9 points from a draw in the Rapid M tour, which means 2114+9 = 2123

Excluding game at S.No.3 above where the moves are less than 10, i won the remaining three and i got 0 points from three wins. My substantial rise in rating afterwards is detrimental to me and my TER in that particular tour is no consideration at all is the moot question, because, at least i felt like i deserve a single point from each win i secured :)

However, if i missed something, i regret sincerely and tender and unconditional apology :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-13 21:24:37)
Poker Min Bid

Well, it seems that I often like to change well established rules, sorry :) .. I'm not sure if this change is necessary or not, I understand that "official" holdem no-limit rules have been designed to speed up the game but I quite like to play with the current FICGS rules.

Do you all think that it should be changed for the ruleset mentioned by Svante Carl?


Hannes Rada    (2010-03-13 21:45:46)
Conditional moves

Yes Thibault.
In these pages chess notation first and then the diagram seems to be more logical (for me)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-16 10:37:01)
Interview with E. Kotlyanskiy

Congrats again to Edward Kotlyanskiy, new FICGS chess champion after beating Xavier Pichelin (2577) in the 12 games final match of the 3rd cycle.

Edward kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his match and correspondence chess in general :

_________________________


> Hi Edward, first of all congratulations for winning this 12 games match against the former FICGS chess champion, Xavier Pichelin. You had to score at least one point more than your opponent, what was your strategy when the games started?

Knowing that I had to score at least +1 against Xavier, I had to try to get the games into complex positions where there are many options to play for both sides. At the point when the games started, I was the underdog to Xavier (mainly due to the face that I was rated about 200 points lower). In part, I think that one of the reasons why Xavier allowed the games to reach such complex positions is due to the fact that his rating was undoubtedly higher than mine and therefore he probably assumed that he could “outplay” me. Although this was simultaneously a brave and admirable choice, I think an option that many other players would have pursued would have been to play “drawish” lines with the hope of having all of the games ending in draws. I have great respect for Xavier due to the fact that he didn't choose such a path and allowed us to put on a hard fought show that was worth watching.

> What could you say on the hot moments of the match?

The first game in which I thought I had very good chances to win was game 34739. In this game (particularly on move 18) Xavier played the move Nb8?? Looking back at the move, I realized that the game was lost for him. I assumed that Xavier probably underestimated the threat of f5. There were no good responses and/or countermeasures for the move f5. For example, if 19) gxf5, I have 20) Nxh5 Nc6 21) Rc3! Bxh4 (Qd8 was also possible) 22) Qf4 Be7 23) g4! His king is just clearly caught in the attack! 19) exf5 also fails to 20) e6 f6 (trying to keep the king safe) 21) Bxh5!! gxh5 22) Nc6 Rc3 and therefore it’s easy to see that it is just a matter of time. Xavier did try something better although even that failed due to some nice moves. I believe that 21) g7 came as a surprise to Xavier (or that at least he hadn't seen this move when playing Nb8). After Nxh5 (another neat move), another line that I thought Xavier would enter (which is also losing) is 22) Qxc2 23) Qxc2 Rxc2 24) Nf6+! Bxf6 25) exf6. Clearly my pawns are just too strong! Knowing that I am winning after the mentioned alternatives, the other games (although I won three others) were just necessary to hold without falling for any tactics/tricks.

A second game I want to briefly comment on is game 34729. I played a very nice (although I am not sure if it is winning just yet) move known as 17.a4! It was a very nice way to open the position on both of our kings. In all honesty, the move that I think was winning in this situation 25) Rd3, I did not even consider too highly until the position reached that very move. After a relatively short analysis, I was indeed pleasantly surprised to see that; overall, it was completely winning for me.

> What could you say on the advantages and inconveniences of this 12 games match format played at a quite fast time control?

From the days when I first starting playing correspondence chess, I have always been accustomed to making moves rather quickly. In fact, when I first started playing, in some games I made moves within 10 minutes of looking at the position. Although I take a lot more time to analyze now-a-days, I still consider the speed of my play to be relatively faster compared to most other correspondence players. Playing 12 games simultaneously can have drawbacks as not having enough time to properly analyze; however, I didn't have such a problem. With the exception of a few games that I was playing on IECG at the start of the FICGS Championship, the 12 game series was my main concern.

> Without revealing your secrets, how would you define modern correspondence chess as a centaur (playing with chess engines)?

These days, it is impossible to play correspondence chess on a high level without consulting the engine. It is also unlikely that one can achieve a lot of success just by following the engine blindly (even after a long analysis). Personally, I know that some of my friends believe that in correspondence chess you are just following the engine but I believe that most “high level” correspondence players know that it just doesn't work that way.

In my opinion, one of the most important skills that a correspondence player should have is having some sense of where the engine he is analyzing with is faulty. To give a well known example, many people know that there are certain endgame positions that an engine alone can't be trusted in (a simple case is the wrong color bishop). In essence, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of whatever engine you are analyzing with is critical to playing correspondence chess at a “high level”.

> Why did you choose to play correspondence chess, do you play OTB (over the board) chess as well?

Before starting correspondence chess, I played OTB chess for quite a few years. When my schedule became busy, I realized that I wouldn't have much time to play OTB in clubs. I came across correspondence chess and got hooked on it very quickly. Also, I began to enjoy more of the subtleties of the game; something that is just lacking in OTB blitz games. I imagine that some people prefer to play practical chess (OTB) in which a move order wouldn't make much of a difference; however, I guess I am a perfectionist and believe the game should be played on as high of a level as possible.

> How many correspondence games do you usually play at the same time (on different chess servers or by email)? Would you say that it is an addiction?

Usually, I played about 5 to 10 games on average on all different sites. I did play via email on IECC but wasn't fond of playing by email therefore I went back to server only sites (IECG, FICGS, Schemingmind).

I can definitely say that correspondence chess is an addiction. All too often, I catch myself analyzing games when I really should be doing something much more time sensitive. Well, at least I can say that this addiction paid off in that I am the new FICGS champion!

> Are you interested in other games?

As far as board games go, chess is primarily the only game I play. At times I do play games like monopoly and scrabble with my friends. Another interest that I have is billiards.

> The next challenger for the FICGS chess champion title is SM Eros Riccio (winner of several PlayChess PAL freestyle tournaments). Do you think that you'll play him? What does this perspective inspire in you?

I can't wait to play Eros! I believe that he would be my toughest opponent yet (although I have played GM Leitão, Rafael (fide elo: 2619) and managed to draw). Eros is like an unstoppable juggernaut in corr chess. That said, I look forward to our games and I am certain that they will simultaneously be challenging and entertaining.

> Thanks and best of luck in your future games!


Ralph Deline    (2010-03-17 07:27:30)
Rating calculation

Thanks for the helpful comments. I feel much better now that I understand how ratings are derived. I made the assumption that since my rating changed after the conclusion of every game, that the past games had no influence on my future rating, that is, within the two month rating period. It is the same type of rating system I'm accustomed to; results, strength of opponents, a little math thrown in, and presto, a new rating. I can now go on living. Cheers.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-17 14:42:57)
1st team tournament : games & results !

Hi Iouri... Well, my old computer can't even see it (just realized that modern computers are about 40x faster :/) , but I just checked the shredder bases online, this is checkmate in 21 moves indeed. It was predictable anyway :) .. I just resigned.

Table 1 : 4 unfinished games remaining (Iouri leading)
Table 2 : 0 unfinished games remaining (Volker won)
Table 3 : 2 unfinished games remaining (Ostap leading)
Table 4 : 0 unfinished games remaining (Yura won)

One thing is sure already, our yellow-blue chessfriends did it very well !

So...

"Team 1" - "Team 2" : points (score)

"Ni" - "FSF" : FSF leads by 1 point
"Ni" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Happy" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Ni" - "YB" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Ni" - "No" : 2-0 (leads by 2 points)
"FSF" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"FSF" - "Happy" : FSF leads by 1 point
"FSF" - "YB" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"FSF" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (leads by 3 points)
"FSF" - "No" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "Happy" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Dark" - "YB" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
"Dark" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "No" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Happy" - "YB" : YB leads by 1 point
"Happy" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Happy" - "No" : 2-0 (3-1)
"YB" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (2.5-0.5)
"YB" - "No : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Ghost" - "No" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)


Total :

Knights who say Ni : 8 points (-)
FSF en passant : 7 points (++)
Dark knights : 8 points
Happy pawn : 4 pawns (--)
Yellow Blue warriors : 7 points (+)
Ghost knights : 0 points
Our team king (knights with no name) : 2 points

(+) meaning : leads in a match yet, (-) meaning : is leaded in a match yet

Nothing is decided yet... but it looks like Yellow-Blue have good chances, which is particularly impressive with a player who made 0/6 !


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-20 22:24:31)
Firebird, Ivanhoe vs. Rybka

Of course, since the free open source chess engine Ippolit is available, clones have appeared, starting with RobboLito & Igorrit, now Ivanhoe & Firebird, and some may be even stronger...

It seems that we still do not have any clue to know if Ippolit is itself a clone of Rybka or not, anyway it would interesting to compare these new engines.

Does anyone have any informations, tournament results or something for these new engines?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-22 02:56:35)
Easter weekend

Hmm, it may be a problem... I assumed that it would have been a problem sunday only for the most !? Any other opinion ?

Anyway in the worst case we'll now have regular freestyle tournaments...


Scott Nichols    (2010-03-22 14:34:02)
Blitz time controls

In the European Individual Ch. just finished, the time controls were 90 minutes for 40 moves, and 30 minutes for the rest of the game with all moves starting from move one having an increment of 30 seconds per move. I like the "game in xx minutes" after the first time control. The way it is, if an ending is complicated at all the game can drag on for hours and hours.


Garvin Gray    (2010-03-22 14:42:00)
Blitz time controls

The Classical time controls now being used are
1) 40 moves in 2 hours, 20 moves in 1 hour followed by 15 mins + 30 seconds.

Also used sometimes is 2)

40 moves in 100 mins, 20 moves in 50 mins fb 15 mins, all with a 30 second increment from move one.

I think the second time control would be better here as it guarantees that each player has some time to make their move, considering slow internet connections and technical issues.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-24 19:30:09)
Blitz time controls

My point (if there's one) is that longer games like the current time control probably mean games of a better quality, the blitz time control is really long actually... so why not playing the lightning time control if you want faster games ? By the way there's no bad surprise with an increment at every move.


Don Groves    (2010-03-25 22:50:03)
Challenges

Thib: Please give us an option in Preferences to remove our name from the challenges lists.


Don Groves    (2010-03-25 22:54:57)
Challenges

And also to remove the Challenges section from our My Games page.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-03-28 22:01:08)
Remove me from waitinglist

I need to be off the two chess special waiting list (thematic) and (unrated). Thanks.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-29 00:24:33)
Remove me from waitinglist

Done.

Greetings,
Thibault


Daniel Parmet    (2010-03-29 00:28:04)
Remove me from waitinglist

Thank you.


Josef Riha    (2010-03-29 14:36:53)
Immediate start of tournaments

Thanks for answering, I don't remember this topic(greetings from Alzheim) :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-29 17:14:43)
Comment jouer ???

Bonjour Benoit, si vous êtes inscrit à un tournoi, il faut attendre que celui ci démarre... les parties "bullet" sont peu recommandées lorsqu'on débute ici car il faut bien comprendre que le site est une interface web et que l'on risque de manquer le début de la partie si on ne surveille pas le démarrage dans "My games" ou "Mes parties" (donc il faut se désinscrire après un moment avant d'oublier)

Mieux vaut donc s'inscrire à un tournoi lent avant tout.

Vous pouvez trouver l'aide en français ici pour comprendre la procédure :

http://www.ficgs.com/help_fr.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-29 14:05:09)
Immediate start of tournaments

Hi Josef, yes that's the system implemented at the LSS chess server too. There was a discussion on this about one year ago, I tried to explain why I prefer to keep this waiting, a kind of excitement, of the moment when all games start, also for historical reasons... But there are inconvenients also, that's obvious.


Don Groves    (2010-03-31 06:33:34)
Poker dealing algorithm

Hello, Thibault -- It seems to me that unlikely card combinations are dealt here more often than probability would dictate. This may just be a feeling on my part that has no basis, but I'd like to ask which algorithm you use to deal the cards and how well has it been tested.


Don Groves    (2010-03-31 09:19:17)
Poker dealing algorithm

Yes, everything will happen eventually, but some unlikely repetitions have already happened many times. At least two royal flushes for example. Also, there seem to be too many cases of the flop being all of the same suit. I have seen this several times in only the past few days.

I don't understand what you mean by "prove that no card is dealt out of the algorithm, but I'll have to change it..."


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-31 10:01:23)
Poker dealing algorithm

I mean that there is no card generated 'randomly' [without any control] like on many poker sites that can e.g. give better cards to super players and say "it was just luck"). I can prove that all cards come from the same algorithm, but of course if I reveal it, I'll have to change at least some parameters of the algorithm for the next games.

Anyway I can make a study and generate billions of hands (would it be enough, I'm not even sure) automatically to see accurate statistics but really, I would be surprised to see any problem.


Garvin Gray    (2010-03-31 10:14:29)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance

I keep having this issue where my computer keeps locking up when I analyse positions for a while. I believe this problem is caused because the engines are using 100 percent of the available computer memory.

Does anyone know a way around this? ie to have the computer use on ninety percent of its memory, so leaving 10 percent for other stuff.


Josef Riha    (2010-03-31 19:46:59)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance

Hello Garvin, what's the size of your memory and engine's hash table? Normally, at 1 or 2 GB RAM 256 MB hash table is enough.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-31 20:24:34)
Poker dealing algorithm

It seems that I like to do everything by myself :)

The main difference (if I understood what I just read) is that this algorithm (e.g. Durstenfeld's algorithm) uses a different randomly generated number for each hand, so it is theorically possible to change the cards because there is no mathematical way to prove the cheating. With my algorithm, cards are pseudo-randomly generated but it is also possible to verify every card of every hand. And after all, even random functions are pseudo-random. (I hope that pseudo means the same in french & english)

Anyway, I'm curious and if someone knows a statistical way to know if an algorithm is good or not, I'll apply it to my method.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-31 22:03:34)
Improvement to watch games

It will be now much more convenient to follow bullet lightning, blitz & freestyle games (in other words fast games) with the viewer.. The top informations (name, tournament details) will be removed until the game ended.


Garvin Gray    (2010-04-01 01:20:04)
Difference between class A / rapid A

The main reason is that in one division you are one of the top rated players and in the other you are one of the bottom rated players.

Also, by having the rating bands as they are means it is more likely that different players will meet, which increases interest and also makes the rating system more accurate.


William Taylor    (2010-04-01 14:08:03)
SITE DOWN HACKED???

Ah, thanks for reminding me it was April 1st Xavier. The 'Fischer's remains to be exhumed' story on Chessbase must also be an April Fool's joke.


Josef Riha    (2010-04-01 09:14:18)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance

Other things you can do: Open the taskmanager and check the priority level of the Rybka process. The default value is normal.
What's the use of tablebases? Up to 5 or 6 Men? Notice that the 6 Men need extrem much memory.
Open the GUI options and click on the tablebase tab. What's the size of the cashe memory? The best value is 8MB.


Michel van der Kemp    (2010-04-03 16:58:45)
Weird technical problem

Thibault, thanks for organising this nice tournament. Lot of fun. I lost my first game against Xavier Pichelin, which I will totally accept, Xavier played excellent. However I do have a weird question.

About the game I receive this email:

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000002"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2010.4.3"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Pichelin,Xavier"]
[Black "van der Kemp,Michel"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2405"]
[BlackElo "1921"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 O-O 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Nd2 Re6 18.a4 Qh5 19.axb5 axb5 20.Qf1 Bh3 21.Bd1 Qf5 22.Qe2 c5 23.Nf3 Bf4 24.Qd2 Nxe3 25.fxe3 Bh6 26.Qf2 Rfe8 27.Bc2 Qh5 28.e4 Rf6 29.Bd1 Bg4 30.Rf1 g6 31.e5 Rf5 32.Ra5 cxd4 33.cxd4 Rc8 34.Ra3 Rc1 35.Qe2 Rb1 36.d5 Bh3 37.Qe4 Bxf1 38.Qxb1 Qh3 39.Qc2 Bc4 40.Be2 Rxf3 41.Rxf3 Bxd5 42.Bf1 Qg4 43.Rc3 Qd4+ 44.Qf2 Qxe5 45.Bg2 Bc4 46.Kh1 Bg5 47.h3 Kg7 48.Bf1 Bd5+ 49.Kh2 h5 50.Qe2 Qd6 51.Rd3 h4 52.Bg2 hxg3+ 53.Kh1 Bxg2+ 54.Kxg2 Qc6+ 55.Kxg3 Qc7+ 56.Kg2 Qc6+ 57.Rf3 f5 58.b3 Bf6 59.Qd3 1-0



Move sent : 2010.4.3 - 16:34:26
Move replied : 2010.4.3 - 16:34:55


Last move sent : g7-h7




WhiteELO : 2405 ... 2405
BlackELO : 1921 ... 1921


This email was generated automatically by http://www.ficgs.com/

It says last move send g7-h7. How did I actually lose this game if the server still received my move? The result of the game came as a little shock to me, because I thought I had about 10 seconds left when I send the move, and the server did receive it as well, and somehow registered it.

Anyway I should have been faster and accept my loss.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-03 21:33:36)
Weird technical problem

Hi Michel, yes we were a few ones (Mauro, you & I) to play with fire with less than 5 seconds (sometimes 1 second only) on the clock... the real problem is that everything can happen anytime with internet, by the way I lost my last game on time with William because my connection was broken after only 2 moves :( .. And Mauro was playing with a GSM because of his internet provider also.

So I have no clear answer on what happened to your move if you had remaining time, but it is sure that the server received it too late. The email only says that you "tried" to move to h7 (actually this is a way to verify that you didn't resign accidentaly) but as the email does not say that you resigned, it means that you lost on time.

Sorry about this and thanks for your fair play!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-03 22:13:23)
Round 4 - Pairings

Hi all, the freestyle tournament will continue on April 10... A very interesting tournament but I hope we'll have less problems with our *$@#&% internet providers this time.

Here are the pairings for round 4, I'm BYE this time.

Table 1 : Boehme - Taylor
Table 2 : Evans - Pichelin
Table 3 : Moreira - Petrolo
Table 4 : van der Kemp - Nichols


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-05 00:58:06)
Advanced chess ratings calculation

For some reasons that I'll explain below, I updated the advanced chess (bullet, lightning, blitz, freestyle) rating calculation rules to the following :

"Performance = Opponent Current Rating if the game is drawn, + 350 if the game is won, -350 if the game is lost.

The following bonus / malus applied to White and to Black makes ratings fair, as it is not possible to force a player to take White or Black before a game :

(White) Performance = Performance - 50
(Black) Performance = Performance + 50

If there's a winner and if his rating is below 2400, his new rating his :

New Rating = ((8 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 10

Otherwise :

New Rating = ((9 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 10

The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is greater than 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player.

In case of a draw or loss against a player rated more than 200 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 200. A player who wins a game cannot lose Elo points, a player who loses a game cannot win Elo points."

More details :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_advanced_chess


The rule that just changed is "If there's a winner and if his rating is below 2400, his new rating his : New Rating = ((8 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 10".

This rule will probably be updated again in a few months with a rating limit of 2200 instead of 2400, when advanced chess ratings will be more coherent with correspondence chess ratings.

The reasons are :

1) Advanced/freestyle chess is often neglected partly because players will likely lose some rating points (many strong players using Rybka 3-like engines still have a rating of 1800 or 2000, there are several reasons to this), the main point is probably the interface but I'm fixing it (e.g. the new touch-move option - see Preferences).

2) Chess engines are just stronger and stronger while the ratings do not increase with the previous rules, as a consequence players who just tried advanced chess once years ago shouldn't still top the rating list. It is of course a way for players to find their place quicker in the rating list & to incitate players to play more games as well.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-05 03:22:11)
How to check tablebases integrity

Thibault, do not waste your time trying to generate them, you won't live long enough. download them at sesse.com
You need 1 terribyte to down load them all. and takes over a year I am informed.
I just started downloading lil over a month ago and have about 25 poitions total downloaded and working.
Please, a word of caution at Sesse download site. He will not allow hardware accelerators (whatever they are). DO NOT download more than a file at a time. You will get blocked.
Thibault I have not used 6 man bases yet.
Caution: Do not have your engine loaded/running when downloading, otherwise expect engine crashing.
I pass on to those interested a decent list of 50 bases to downoad.
Been at this one month +/- so as I learn I will pass on.
Wayne


Daniel Parmet    (2010-04-05 04:41:09)
Chess is...

Chess is the ultimate test. Your parallels are never ending to the battles you will face all through out life. The same skills are needed... effort, hard work, concentration, memory and research abilities.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-05 13:52:12)
Chessbase april fool's joke

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6232

Worth to read... among the April 1st three stories, "Fischer’s remains to be exhumed?", "Magnus Carlsen's cousin in America (Matt Damon)" & "LHC goes online – chess grandmasters worried" on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, it looks like the trap worked quite well (I thought it was Fisher's also), what story did you think it was the april fool's joke ? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-05 18:04:46)
Issues + New pairings

Hi Garvin, what is your browser ? I guess that you use cookies so your problem is quite strange to me as the links posted in the forum only open a new window (that should use the same session - works fine on Firefox & Chrome, at least)...

About the freestyle tournament, I just tried to add a new player during the tournament and the software seems to accept it. Finally I think it cannot be bad to authorize players to enter the waiting list until the end of the tournament, so I just added this rule.

Consequently the pairings for round 4 changed :

Table 1 : Boehme - Taylor
Table 2 : Evans - Pichelin
Table 3 : van der Kemp - Petrolo
Table 4 : Moreira - de Vassal
Table 5 : Gray - Nichols

Sorry to the players for this update, but I'm still trying to find the best rules for this kind of tournaments.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-05 18:08:19)
How to check tablebases integrity

Okey Dokey Thibault, no problem. I only ask that those interested and use Sesse download site that they respect it with his wishes. That I have aready cautioned. He maintains this site at his own expense.
He had probem with abuse in the past i understand and has said he would pull the plug, if any further abuse, So I myself am very grateful and and I am very carefull about hogging the server bandwidth,
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-06 15:41:33)
Ratings calculation

Hi Lazaro, correspondence chess ratings are not calculated in real time, it is calculated every 2 months, see the complete rules :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess

You may see an estimation of your future rating (taking account of the games played after the last rating calculation) at :

http://www.ficgs.com/players/munoz_lazaro/history.html

A 1885 rating should look like more logical to you :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-07 19:53:55)
Replacement in rapid silver 18

Howdy players, I will give the 10 E points to the player who replaces me. BTW I have not moved. Thibault has agreed to the 10 E points
Thank you
Wayne


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2010-04-08 08:10:41)
Replacement in rapid silver 18

I could accept the offer but I do not have e points to enter the game sorry.


Scott Nichols    (2010-04-09 09:54:02)
Replacement in rapid silver 18

I will take your place Wayne if it is still possible, just have Thibault set it up, Scott Nichols


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-09 14:06:41)
Replacement in rapid silver 18

Hi Scott, thanks! Tano-Urayoán Russi Román replaced Wayne already, sorry.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 00:19:35)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

The freestyle tournament will continue tomorrow!

However I must say I regularly have some connection problems with my new provider (it should be fixed in a while - according to them), so I apologize in advance if I'm late to start a round or if I have to lose another game on time :/

See you tomorrow!


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-10 00:37:13)
Replacement in rapid silver 18

Thank you so very much all. appeciated
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 14:20:52)
Freestyle vs. Access providers

It looks like that access providers are a real problem during freestyle tournaments... In 4 rounds, 2 players (at least) lost a game on time because of them and 1 other had to play with his mobile phone card because his access provider was not able to see ficgs.com during a few hours.

It is possible that week-ends are a quite bad choice to play as most internet providers encounter most problems from friday evening to monday (and take much more time to solve it).

I do not see a clear rule that could solve all this, maybe more rounds would attenuate the problem... If you have any idea, let's discuss it!

Thanks.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 17:49:40)
Freestyle vs. Access providers

Another lesson is that maybe I shouldn't organize such tournaments (the last round was launched about 40 minutes late because of a new connection problem) before that my own access provider makes the necessary to be more stable :(

That's a shame but there's nothing else to do than to wait. It was a good tournament anyway that will allow me to improve some things for the next editions.

Thanks to all players who participated!


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-04-06 12:40:44)
Ratings calculation

I don't quite understand the way that ratings are calculated (for initial ratings).

I entered my first chess tournament with an initial rating of 1785 (my ICCF rating at the time). I won 5 games and drew 1 and got a rating of 1837.

My fellow tournament entry Chris Brooks entered also for the first tournament with an initial rating of 1800. He won 4 games and lost 2 and got a rating of 1906?! No complains to him, only to the rating system.

Is there some draw penalty built in? We played the same set of players(so the tournament average rating is exactly the same) and played the same number of games (and no more, I checked this has so far been our only tournament for both of us), yet with my extra point and half I wound up with a much lower rating.

What's up with that?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-07 16:42:57)
Replacement in rapid silver 18

Hello all, we're looking for a player interested to replace Wayne in the Chess rapid silver #18, anyone interested ?

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_SILVER__000018


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 19:37:35)
Congrats to David Evans!

David Evans wins this 2nd FICGS freestyle cup!

Here are the final standings (please note that the FICGS crosstable may be slightly different from the pairing software's one) :

1. Evans, David : 4,5 / 6 games played (berg 11,75)
2-3. Petrolo, Mauro : 4 / 6 games played (berg 12,5)
2-3. Taylor, William : 4 / 5 games played (berg 9,5)
4. van der Kemp, Michel : 3,5 / 5 games played (berg 6,75)
5. Boehme, Sebastian : 3 / 5 games played (berg 6,25)
6-7. de Vassal, Thibault : 2,5 / 5 games played (berg 6)
6-7. Nichols, Scott : 2,5 / 5 games played (berg 4,25)
8. Pichelin, Xavier : 2 / 6 games played (berg 5,75)
9-10. Moreira, Jose : 1,5 / 4 games played (berg 3,5)
9-10. Gray, Garvin : 1,5 / 3 games played (berg 3,25)

Of course and unfortunately, the number of "played games" includes losses on time without playing. There were numerous problems with access providers during this tournament...


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 22:18:47)
Prize : 170 Epoints or...

David also won the total prize in this tournament, 170 Epoints (100 Epoints + 70 Epoints of entry fees as 3 titled players on 10 total entered the waiting list), or 100 Epoints + 75% of 70 in real money according to the rules, at the winner's discretion.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#prize

Congrats :) .. let's hope the next freestyle tourney will be free of all these problems with access providers!


Robert Mueller    (2010-04-11 09:12:03)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Thibault, I see there is going to be a match Rybka Forum vs FICGS. They are recruiting eight players to play individual games against FICGS members. Who is going to play for FICGS? Do you still need a player? I would be interested in playing, but I will be on vacation from May 8 to May 15.


David Evans    (2010-04-11 11:38:59)
Freestyle vs. Access providers

Nothing u can do Thib even if u played in the week which has it own problems as it it easyer to play on weekends.

losses due to internet happens


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-11 15:20:48)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Hi Robert, I'm not sure yet if there are so many members at Rybkaforum interested to play (actually it looks like the most are FICGS players until there), but if it can motivate them, let's try to build a team already :)

Vacation would not be a problem as a long time control should be the option but there is no rule well defined yet. However the rules will probably look like the ones used in FICGS vs. Igame.ru

The thread at Rybkaforum is there :

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=16132

Do not hesitate to post here and there if you're interested to play such a match!


Robert Mueller    (2010-04-11 16:21:54)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Actually, it seems they already have seven players:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=16195

If you build a team, please count me in.


William Taylor    (2010-04-11 17:48:52)
Match Against Rybka Forum

I'd be interested in playing, and I also like the suggested rule of Rybka forum members only being assisted by Rybka, and us only being assisted by other engines.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-11 22:01:50)
Blitz Games

They seem to be gaining in popularity. I offer a suggestion. After playing three bullet games I feel an improvement would be to highlight the move made for easier recognition. Other game servers have this feature. Is it difficult to implement Thibault ?
Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-11 22:47:43)
Match Against Rybka Forum

I am in if you need me. I think you will have many volunteers. I will play my games at either server, just as long as I am a FICGS member
Wayne


Scott Nichols    (2010-04-12 03:59:40)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

First of all, thanks to Thibault for having this tournament. I have some ideas for the next one for us to kick around. First and foremost we know the connection issues need to be resolved. Second, the time control. I've played both 30 & 60 minutes with 15 second increments and my preference would be the 60+15, but 30+15 is ok also, not a big deal for me. As for the time to have it, (days of the week, hour of the day), I think there is no way to satisfy everyone because of the wide range of time zones, so you just have to make a time and we will find a way to make it. -----The main new idea I have is to make it an open tournament. This means anyone can join, but only those who pay the entry fee will be eligible for prizes. The reason is to get many more players involved, but only the highest entry-paying player will win prize money. Since there are far more players here without any E-points than those with. It might even inspire more to buy points.


David Evans    (2010-04-12 11:51:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Hello as winner of the tour i feel apart from some internet problems the tour was a success.

It needed some more advertising to get more numbers but 30+15 was enough for me to play to a high standard.

Anyone who knows freestyle chess i play under the nick of Ultra-d a freestyle chess player who has made chessbase freestyle tour finals.

I thank u for the games and hope to see u guys in the next one.

D.evans (Ultra-d)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-12 14:46:39)
Rating order + Unrated games

Garvin, a problem is that most Rybkaforum players may not have any rating yet, so it will be probably not significant. By the way, all games will be unrated, of course.


Stephane Legrand    (2010-04-12 18:15:12)
Blitz Games

I agree with you Wayne.
So option seems a good solution.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-12 19:28:37)
NEW # 1

And here, NOT #1 :) hehe:
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20All%20Versions/rangliste.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-12 21:08:23)
NEW # 1

New number 1 or not, the gap decreases... All this was predictable (and it was predicted) even if Rybka was untouchable for the most when the gap was over 100 elo points... but after that Chessbase intelligently scheduled the improvements of Fritz, Shredder, Junior, Hiarcs & finally Rybka, came Naum, Stockfish, Ippolit & its clones RobboLito, Ivanhoe & Firebird.

Clones or not clones, anyway now it seems obvious for everyone that it will be harder and harder to make money with chess engines, just like with everything else on the internet... The beginning of the decadence (according to its meaning) ?


Michel van der Kemp    (2010-04-13 11:00:06)
Match Against Rybka Forum

I would be interested to play also.


Xavier Pichelin    (2010-04-13 12:59:03)
RYBKA 4 UCI available in May

Forum Rybka :De Vasik Rajlich Date 2010-04-11 07:47 Some information about Rybka 4:

- Rybka 4 will be a normal UCI engine, without copy protection, and will be available in the first part of May.
- There will be separate single-processor and multi-processor versions.
- Full chess analysis packages which include Rybka 4 will be made by ChessBase (www.chessbase.com) and Convekta/ChessOK (www.chessok.com).
- Plain Rybka 4 UCI without GUI for download only will be available from RybkaChess (www.rybkachess.com).
- All of these versions of Rybka 4 will be identical and can be used in any UCI-compliant GUI.
- The Rybka 4 book by Ji&#345;í Dufek will be available as a separate item from both ChessBase and Convekta. The two versions of the book will be 'essentially identical', although in different formats.
- Rybka 4 book compatibility will work as follows:
* ChessBase software users will require the ChessBase version of the book.
* Aquarium users can use either version of the book.
* Other software users are encouraged to upgrade their chess software.


Michel van der Kemp    (2010-04-13 14:19:59)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Yes I can play on their forum also, though I prefer the FICGS interface here :)


Robert Mueller    (2010-04-13 17:38:51)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Another subject that should be discussed is that of names (real or otherwise). It is my understanding that some members of the Rybka team will start an account at FICGS. I assume they will have to sign up using their real names? How will we know who is who on the Rybka forum? Or do we need to know that?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-13 18:03:22)
Match Against Rybka Forum

True, Garvin. I just made the suggestion at Rybkaforum.

Robert, Rybkaforum members who will play at FICGS will enter a real name for sure, just like other members. We do not have to specify our real name at the Rybkaforum, just following their rules.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-13 20:37:31)
@ Garvin

I'm not sure if the ratings will mean something... e.g. G.Clement at Rybkaforum is rated 2129, but probably uses Rybka. I don't know their other ratings yet so we may have a few provisional 1800 players among our opponents. Ratings ordered or not, all this looks like quite arbitrary.

Just tell me, Garvin... we have a player in replacement if needed.


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-04-13 20:40:15)
More ratings questions

This time one big chess. According to rules for big chess (I actually read it first before posting :), it says that the original rating that is used for calculations is the correspondence rating, which should have been 1785, however it appears that 0 was used instead. In the section that I almost finishing I am now 5 out 5 with 1 game left. The ratings of the other players ranged from 1800 down 1200 (roughly) initially. My current provision rating is 1609 and it seems that all my opponents have lost at least 200 ratings points in the process of playing in this tournament.

If rating system had used a real low rating as the initial for myself it would have been unfair to both myself and all of the other players in my section.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-13 22:30:46)
Big chess ratings

Hi Lazaro!

"Big chess ratings are first estimated from current correspondence chess ratings (current rating -300 points, with at least 1400), then adjusted in real time after each result (...)"

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_big_chess

When you entered your first big chess tournament, the TER was not specified but your current correspondence chess rating was used (minus 300) to calculate your first big chess rating with your first result, so a rating of 1609 seems ok taking account of your opponents ratings. The first results may look quite arbitrary but some rules prevent to lose too many points when losing against a strong opponent with a low rating. Anyway there should be more class categories to get more chances to improve ratings (to be continued), we needed more players but maybe we can do it now.


Josef Riha    (2010-04-14 09:32:05)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance

Do a right click at the free space under the chessboard. A popup-menu appears.
Click at options. Now you can see several tabs. Two of them are Tablebases GUI and Tablebases Engine.
There you can enter up to 3 paths where your tablebases are located on disk and the size of the cache-memory. At the GUI-tab you have a checkbox to activate for loading the TB's at program start. Fritz 10 options have only one tab for tablebases.
For more details click the help-button.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-15 01:26:09)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance

Josef. Your post is interesting to me. when I do your procedure I do not see the option of gui tablebases. You have any answer ? I have had much trouble with 6 man tablebases and Rybka. all seems to be ok for last 2 weeks, but my engine only can get TB's thru the PV's no Gui lookup. Sure would like to fix this, if anyone has a suggestion
Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-15 17:06:14)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance

Thank you Josef. But a lone time back I did see it (I thought). Maybe I remember wrong. Anyone with Fritz11 gui see it ? thank you
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-17 21:34:42)
Match Against Rybka Forum

We need a 10th player for the match vs. Rybkaforum, this player would play his game at Rybkaforum... Anyone interested ?

Our current team :

Wayne Lowrance 2479 (will play at Rybkaforum)
Harvey Williamson [2425 ICCF] (will play at Rybkaforum)
Thibault de Vassal 2376 (will play at Rybkaforum)
William Taylor 2110 (will play at Rybkaforum)
??? (will play at Rybkaforum)

Robert Mueller 2383 (will play at FICGS)
Michel van der Kemp 2226 (will play at FICGS)
Garvin Gray 2133 (will play at FICGS)
Kamesh Nookala 2126 (will play at FICGS)
Mircea Hrubaru 1988 (will play at FICGS)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-17 22:54:30)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Our almost definitive team :

Wayne Lowrance 2479 (will play at Rybkaforum)
Harvey Williamson [2425 ICCF] (will play at Rybkaforum)
Thibault de Vassal 2376 (will play at Rybkaforum)
Sebastian Boehme 2288 (will play at Rybkaforum)
William Taylor 2110 (will play at Rybkaforum)

Robert Mueller 2383 (will play at FICGS)
Michel van der Kemp 2226 (will play at FICGS)
Garvin Gray 2133 (will play at FICGS)
Mircea Hrubaru 1988 (will play at FICGS)
Samy Ould Ahmed 1889 [ICCF 2418] (will play at FICGS)

Stéphane Legrand 2222 (will play at (?))
Kamesh Nookala 2126 (will play at (?))


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-21 15:15:22)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Here are the pairings (games started at RybkaForum & are to start here)

Games at Rybka Forum:

Bobby C (RybkaForum) Vs. Harvey Williamson (FICGS)
Kamesh Nookala (FICGS) Vs. Mark Eldridge (RybkaForum)
omprakash (RybkaForum) Vs. Sebastian Boehme (FICGS)
Thibault de Vassal (FICGS) Vs. SpiderG (RybkaForum)
Weirwindle111 (RybkaForum) Vs. Wayne Lowrance (FICGS)
William Taylor (FICGS) Vs. Vytron (RybkaForum)

Games at FICGS:

Garvin Gray (FICGS) Vs. burch_michael (RybkaForum)
clement_george (RybkaForum) Vs. Michel van der Kemp (FICGS)
Mircea Hrubaru (FICGS) Vs. Gaetano Laghetti (RybkaForum)
Ivan Trajkov (RybkaForum) Vs. Robert Mueller (FICGS)
Samy Ould Ahmed (FICGS) Vs. José Sanz (RybkaForum)
Plant_Kevin (RybkaForum) Vs. Stéphane Legrand (FICGS)


Let's have fun :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-21 15:20:31)
Match Against Rybka Forum

About the rules :

Time control 20 days + 20 days / 10 moves at FICGS... for the games played at RybkaForum it is 24/48 hours per move in average & in relax mode, there will not be "losses on time"...

It seems to me that there is no other special rule, I just asked Vytron to confirm.


Garvin Gray    (2010-04-21 19:06:39)
Wider rating range tournaments

That title reads like I am doing some back-tracking (for those keeping track) and in a way I am.

I have previously asked for the rating bands of the standard and rapid waiting lists to be 200 points apart as rarely does someone join from outside those rating ranges.

Since then I have noticed that I am getting 'stuck' having to play the same people (feels that way at least).

We have only a couple of tournaments a year where players from different rating ranges are paired together and even in the World Champ groups, the 2300's or so are protected from the rest of the membership.

I would like to see some RATED tournaments created which allows more play between players of different rating ranges.

I believe this would also help with rating list accuracy as it gives the potential for players to increase their rating if they perform and would also sort out the over-rated players quite quickly.


George Clement    (2010-04-21 19:56:33)
Wider rating range tournaments

I would like to see a little wider range or tournament also


George Clement    (2010-04-21 19:58:54)
Match Against Rybka Forum

Thibault, how do we access a match on FICGS in this tournament? Will you set it up?


Garvin Gray    (2010-04-21 21:30:59)
Wider rating range tournaments

Returning to the 400 rating range will not help for two reasons.

1) Players have shown with both the 400 and now 200 rating ranges that they will not join a tournament if most of the other players are rated below them, even if e-points are offered for winning the tournament
This will not change by going back to 400 point rating bands.

2) The only time players participate in tournaments where they could lose rating points is in the World Champ tourneys, where the prize (qualifying for next round and six games against strong opponents) is greater than the risk of losing rating points.

Hence why I have at least brought up the idea of another set of tournaments. The idea would be every one enters, players are allocated to groups (each group is as equal as possible), then the winners of each group go through to another round robin final group.

The difference between this and the World Champs is that there is no knockout stages and everyone starts from stage one. This means even the 2400's would have to play in stage one to win the tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-20 16:02:07)
FICGS team (final)

Wayne Lowrance 2479 (will play at Rybkaforum)
Harvey Williamson [2425 ICCF] (will play at Rybkaforum)
Thibault de Vassal 2376 (will play at Rybkaforum)
Sebastian Boehme 2288 (will play at Rybkaforum)
Kamesh Nookala 2126 (will play at Rybkaforum)
William Taylor 2110 (will play at Rybkaforum)

Robert Mueller 2383 (will play at FICGS)
Michel van der Kemp 2226 (will play at FICGS)
Stéphane Legrand 2222 (will play at FICGS)
Garvin Gray 2133 (will play at FICGS)
Mircea Hrubaru 1988 (will play at FICGS)
Samy Ould Ahmed 1889 [ICCF 2418] (will play at FICGS)


Robert Mueller    (2010-04-21 04:36:04)
Final Match details

Somewhere in the discussions about this match it was suggested that the Rybka forum members only use Rybka and that FICGS members may not use Rybka. Is this an actual rule agreed upon or was it just a suggestion?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-24 00:08:44)
GoDiscussions & LifeIn19x19

FICGS Go players may have read this article in the latest AGA newsletter on the 2 Go forums... So there is a new Go forum called lifein19x19.com , but what happens with GoDiscussions?

Like many other members I experienced some problems regularly for a few months but what is behind the technical problems?

Does anyone have more informations on this?

http://godiscussions.com
http://www.lifein19x19.com


Garvin Gray    (2010-04-23 18:33:33)
Wider rating range tournaments

Thibault- This is the system used by IECG but I'm not sure if it is best, and what if several players share first place & so on...

Garvin- If several players share first place then probably it would have to be the same as for the world champs, the person with the highest TER gets the slot, or the person with the highest TER if the winner is already eligible at the end of said tournament.

Does that make sense?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-23 15:47:05)
Anand vs. Topalov, world championship

So it seems that a FIDE world championship match is to start between current FIDE world champion Viswanathan Anand and former world champion Veselin Topalov...

I'm not even sure if this is a kind of "semi-final" or if this is a final match in the cycle... In my memory, Veselin Topalov beat Gata Kamsky and V. Anand beat Vladimir Kramnik, right?

Anyway a first problem occured with Anand asking FIDE to postpon the start of the match by one day because of the lack of airplanes as a consequence of the icelandic volcano (yes, Bobby Fischer stroke again! :)), the psychological war started and Silvio Danailov already threatened to sue FIDE. What do you expect to happen during this match? Who is your favourite?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-23 00:26:49)
Wider rating range tournaments

The problem is either it would ask a big update to make it automatic or an action from a tournament director each time... If I make an update, it should probably work for all class tournaments. This is the system used by IECG but I'm not sure if it is best, and what if several players share first place & so on... Ratings move faster than at IECG to avoid that and allow players to reach higher categories in a shorter time. Simple rules are often best IMO.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-23 01:11:29)
Wider rating range tournaments

Garvin, you have a very good point. I have been there and so I know how your feeling. It is very difficult to advance that is for sure.
Garvin It can be overcome, I have! please refer to my rating climb. I started off at rock bottom despite the fact that I had a rating of 2300++ going in here at ficgs. I did know know I could transfer part of my rating (1800 I Think) but I started at the bottom (1500 if memory serves).It has taken me for what seems forever to arrive to where I am now. I have worked very hard to achieve the Title and it's rating. I have a nice comp now, but the first couple of years I grew in stature with a 1.8 ghz single cpu. Have used that cpu most of my stay here.
What is my secret ?. Answer I have non. First is I have a excellent CC book (lousy for blitzing). I feel the real only way to advance here on FICS is outbook and out think your opponent in opening lines (ask Thibault :) So MY thoughts are that it would follow that I am not in favor of your proposal. Having said that, I will support what ever way Thibault goes with your ideas. Good luck my friend, I am behind you, but honestly cannot say I will support any new rating grading. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-24 17:02:39)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Tano-Urayoán just posted an interesting idea in the following discussion:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=8507

I was totally opposed to this idea at a first sight, but after a while I found some real advantages.

The idea : Any player could pay an entry fee to enter a high class chess tournament (e.g. 20 Euros for class M, 40 for class SM, 60 for class GM), whatever his rating.

Of course what we all see first is : Anyone can pay to make increase his rating faster, that is just unfair!

But let's imagine that a player rated 1800 pays an entry fee of 40 Euros to enter the class SM waiting list.

1) The waiting list will be filled faster!

2) If this player is actually stronger than its rating show, he'll find its place faster (the other players will not lose so many points because their ratings are protected - see rating calculation rules).

3) There could be such an extra rule: Players who are already in the waiting list or who will play the tournament may share 50% of the entry fee in Epoints, which would be a kind of compensation for them.

4) These entry fees will help to have more prizes in free tournaments (another compensation) and bigger prizes in e.g. freestyle cups, although I don't have any idea on how many players would be interested in this, so the site will become more popular and so on...


Anyway, please share your views if you have any idea to improve this one, and your opinion is needed here of course!


Mircea Hrubaru    (2010-04-24 10:01:04)
Anand vs. Topalov, world championship

I hope that the whole mess will stop after this WCC match and things will come back to the normal cycle, even if the whole logic behind the cycle seems fuzzy...
I think Vishy will win, but I'm afraid of attempts to repeat the "toiletgate" in any variant. It started already with the transportation issue...


Garvin Gray    (2010-04-24 12:03:25)
Wider rating range tournaments

Thumbs down for the paying an entry fee to get into a higher rating.

It just seems to me that it goes against the whole idea of earning your way into a higher rating group by improving your play and rating to justify an opportunity in the higher group.


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-04-24 19:27:43)
Bullet & lightning time controls

Thib, how about 15+30 for Lightning.

If you see 5+15 and 20+30, there appears to be a huge gap. However, i feel I can agree with any of them :)

Just a suggestion :-O


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-24 20:25:52)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

I do not like it. What you will see is a higher bracket classification in the waiting list stage will see presumably some qualified players entry, soon to be filled up with a host of players with deep pockets entering, so it ends up being not a higher bracket but a lower class bracket. This just does not seem fair. It means (as you have already pointed out) players with deep pockets can buy there way into rating points. I will not support or tolerate that notion if I can avoid it.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-25 02:00:36)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

Thibault, I have been here since the beginning. I have grown with FICGS. I am very proud to be a member of FICGS in good standing.

I see dangers ahead for you and our FICGS.
You need to be very careful my friend about Changing the overall makeup of FICGS. I think overall the "E" point conditions here is ok, as long as it does not infringe outward from where it is now> This latest proposal (buying into a high classification) is very bad and changes the premise of FICGS, which is: If you are good, diligent and work hard you will advance and be rewarded. Tites should not come easy. Same for rating points. For if they do come easy then they have no meaning.
Players who have earned their stripes do merit certain considerations, that is good and proper.

Another potential problem that I see is that FICGS is headed in a direction down yahoo chess lane. We all like these bullet games, they are fun. I am not at all suggesting their elimination. I am just counseling "be careful". Do not let it become the face of FICGS chess. Yahoo chess is a total disaster. I do not want our site to even look in that direction.
I have been monitoring the chatter on bullet chess and it is great, all are enjoying it. That covers the main points of interest for me. I am not against changes. I do not want changes that change the make up of FICGS as we know it now. Its your server, you may do as you wish of course Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-25 02:15:13)
Bullet & lightning time controls

Thibault, I like all 3 of the 5 min versions you have brought up. No problem with me
Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-25 02:17:33)
Bullet & lightning time controls

On second thought, I am thinking a 30 second increment for lightening is to long. Maybe shorten it.
Jut a thought
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-25 02:52:37)
FICGS

I understand you Wayne, I don't want to make such mistakes and that's why we talk so much about these changes in this forum :)

On entry fees for a higher class tournament, I agree on the main point of course, but some advantages had to be discussed. The success of this site is also money and money prizes in the future IMO so I prefer to discuss such ideas than to do nothing.

That was the first point. Then there are some other points that remain to be discussed IMO : 1) Maybe correspondence chess ratings should increase (in average) as engines become stronger. 2) Titles calculation rules should probably be harder as a consequence, maybe it should have been changed already.

Correspondence/Advanced chess is constantly evolving, our marks move fast, so rules may have to change. I don't think that FICGS can turn into a kind of Yahoo chess (I did not ever play there btw), the most important thing is the atmosphere and I know that if I make a mistake, someone will let me know very quickly as it happened once a few months ago. We all make that success in that way!


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-25 03:14:27)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

Thibault, okey dokie, I understand you, for sure, and you are right at reviewing your change options. You should. I am only one voice but I wanted to be heard.
I have said enough on Money entry into a high classification. You know I do not like it.
I agree 100% with your thinking regarding money. You need to profit. So any change that goes there and does not affect membership in a negative way is good for you. If the membership do not like certain changes, and they leave then money for you is affected. So it is a two way street.
Regarding chess rating should overall increase. Ok with me but do not see any advantage, all relative.
Regarding Increasing Title requirements.
That may be valid. Not sure one way or the other. Gotta think on that. But shooting from the hips, sounds ok.
Wayne


Garvin Gray    (2010-04-25 08:02:43)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

I would rather have to pay a membership fee per year of say $20 for increased access (or something like that) than being able to pay an entry fee to get into a higher division.


Scott Nichols    (2010-04-25 10:43:52)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

An annual membership fee is not a good idea at all IMO. Then you would change the whole concept of the "free" international games server. However I am a firm supporter of a small "take" from the entry fees for tournaments and E-point games.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-25 18:36:33)
Ads gone?

Google ads were not so necessary on this part of the site anymore and it is not so good for its image so I removed it.

The ads are still visible on the other forums which receive more visitors... and I must say it is best like this :) Thanks!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-25 19:39:42)
Bullet & lightning time controls

Sorry I missed your message Wayne. Well, 30 seconds looks even a bit short to me compared to the blitz time control. Hard to find the perfect scheme.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-04-25 21:50:58)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Or, maybe you want the money entrance requirement to compensate the "class" players for permitting the entry.
I am ok with this as well
Wayne


Michel van der Kemp    (2010-04-27 10:44:40)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

For reasons already mentioned by others I would be opposed to people being able to buy themselves tickets to higher tournaments.

The idea of earning a ticket for a higher tournament by winning a tournament seems fair, and seems similar to what ICCF has. I would be in favour of that idea.


Hannes Rada    (2010-04-27 22:18:11)
Higher division

quote
I would rather have to pay a membership fee per year of say $20 for increased access (or something like that) than being able to pay an entry fee to get into a higher division.
unquote

Garvin, what do you expect from playing in a 'higher division' ?


Mircea Hrubaru    (2010-04-28 22:14:49)
Anand vs. Topalov, world championship

I think we should put aside the first game. In my view black played allright until the blunder 23...Kf7? which gave white the chance to blow away black's position with 23. Nxf6!! (Anand saw the pawn in f6 under the threat Nxf6 and that's why he defended with the king, but I think he didn't consider the immediate capture).
In games 2 and 4 Anand showed a superb preparation in an opening that haunts Topalov since his match against Kramnik. Game 2 showed a Topalov looking for deadly attacks and ignoring the lack of sufficient force in the attack. Until now the game with the highest quality is surely game 4, where 10. Na3!? caught Topalov offguard. Between them Anand showed in game 3 that he can chill out and play for safety.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-05 16:20:30)
FICGS chess database

Hello all,

As a reminder the complete FICGS chess database is available here (or see the link in Search Games in the menu) :

http://www.ficgs.com/databases/chess.pgn

Bullet, lightning & blitz games (including freestyle cup games) are no more included in this database to make it more coherent and of a better quality (too many losses on time because of connection problems or without any move played by one player)... This way bullet games are even more just for fun!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-02 16:40:48)
Speeding up Poker games

I'm afraid that a few tournaments would not be enough as a test... 2 time controls would be a good idea but I'm not sure if the rating lists would be filled fast enough so if you think that this new one would not bring real problems, maybe we should change the time control for all poker standard tournaments... then the experience will tell what to do!?


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2010-05-02 17:19:25)
Speeding up Poker games

There will be a problem for those players who can only move once a day. If they live on the "wrong" side of the world and / or they only can move between 5 and 6 o'clock of our time, 10d+12h will not work. If you only offer this time control they will not be able to play.


Ryan Cross    (2010-05-02 20:05:07)
Speeding up Poker games

One option that wouldn't be too drastic as far as changing the way the game is played, but I'm sure would take some effort to implement, is simply conditional moves.

You called a raise off the button with a hand that doesn't hit so you check. However many hours later your opponent bets, as you expect. However many hours after that you finally fold.

With something as simple as a 'check/fold' switch for the current betting round, three moves could happen in practically the time of one. Not every time, but enough to make a difference.

Taking it a step further, one could create a list of advanced conditional moves. If my opponent bets between x and y, raise z. If my opponent bets between a and b, call. If my opponent checks, bet d, if opponent bets, fold.

So on and so forth. I've seen conditional moves work quite well in correspondence chess games, and to some extent conditional moves already work well in real time online poker games.

After that, one could consider programming starting hand ranges to fold, call, raise on the button. Though it would be nice if that somehow took stack size into consideration. But I digress, that's a suggestion for another day.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-02 22:01:16)
Speeding up Poker games

Nice idea... well, definitely I'll have to implement these conditional moves, but I'm afraid that will not be enough to speed up these poker games.


Ryan Cross    (2010-05-02 22:20:58)
Speeding up Poker games

Well, some other random ideas: Decrease the amount of time available to take any single move, currently 60 days, to something like 10 days, 14 days, whatever.

Or, play to one point instead of three. Or simply best out of three.

Somewhat off topic, I notice that when one player scores a point, one player starts with 101 chips (100 in hand and one in pot) and the other with 99 chips (97 in hand, 2 in pot). Seems like a bug to me.


Ryan Cross    (2010-05-02 22:24:38)
Speeding up Poker games

...Furthermore, another idea would be raising blinds to 2/4 after hand 25 or thirty, then 4/8 after hand 50, raising every ten hands after that. Blinds at 2/4 seem to be incentive to make bets much bigger often enough.

Admittedly, I haven't been playing poker here long enough to have a fine tuned idea of what exactly the problem is as far as poker games taking too long, so I'm just throwing these out there.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-03 01:15:13)
Speeding up Poker games

Bullet poker games should go faster with the recent changes...
(including touch move).

On Ryan suggestions :

> Decrease the amount of time available to take any single move, currently 60 days, to something like 10 days, 14 days, whatever.

I think that this time limit per move is fine... too much pressure is not good. And it would not solve the whole problem.

> Or, play to one point instead of three. Or simply best out of three.

The way blinds increase and the number of points is the best scheme so far for the balance "chancy factor vs. game duration" IMO.

> Somewhat off topic, I notice that when one player scores a point, one player starts with 101 chips (100 in hand and one in pot) and the other with 99 chips (97 in hand, 2 in pot). Seems like a bug to me.

Huwow... would be a real bug! could you tell me what game & what move you saw that?? (you can see the previous moves of a game in the game viewer page)

Thanks for the suggestions anyway!


Mircea Hrubaru    (2010-05-05 09:24:06)
Anand vs. Topalov, world championship

Hi Thib,
Maybe you can publish something on your game against Robert Leemans in which you followed the line in the game Maletin-Amonatov (18. Rac1). Did you consider 18. a5 to continue?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-05 15:41:56)
Topalov wins Game 8

Topalov strikes back in Game 8, now the score is 4-4, and as Mircea noticed it, the game follows a line until move 18 in another game played here "de Vassal vs. Leemans 1/2-1/2", I'm not sure if 18.a5 is a real improvement but it worked well against a world champion, at least!




Sebastian Boehme    (2010-05-07 18:41:23)
How many games at once?

Hi guys,

at prime time I used to play about 230 games at once. This can be quite stressful though and I have reduced this number quite a bit by now.

I think with good time management 100 games at once can still be managed.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-08 21:08:51)
New proposition

Here's a new idea, based on the fact that I don't think I'll have time (before a while, at least) to implement a script that would allow 1 or 2 tournament's winners to enter a higher class waiting list... many particular cases, not so easy.

The idea :

We could allow one (actually 2 would be still ok IMO) tournament's winner to enter a higher class waiting list for 10 Epoints (not Euros, big difference as most Epoints are won in free tournaments and cannot be cashed out if not played in tournaments with entry fee). I would place the players in the waiting lists by myself but finally it may satisfy everyone -> A player rated 1900 could enter a 2000+ waiting list but could not enter a 2200+ waiting list, the server can offer more Epoints prizes (that just increased for chess tournaments, by the way), and players could find their place more easily in the ratings.

Any opinion?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-08 23:45:26)
New proposition

Actually the main problem is IMO what to do if let's say 5 players rated 2000-2200 suddenly ask for an entry in a 2200+ (class M) waiting list... It may take so much time for the 5th player to be able to enter it (waiting for a 3rd M tournament starts if 2 players can have a ticket per tournament) that he may reach the 2200 mark before that his ticket be useful.


Garvin Gray    (2010-05-09 03:17:39)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

Thibault,

I have previously addressed the issue of what happens if players tie for first.

In my opinion, it should be person with highest rating at the end of the tournament that gets the invite to the next division.

I have proposed end of tournament rating for this at it would be a more accurate guide to each players potential.

The entry fee for this qualified player should be the amount they won in their previous division.

I am against four or five players qualifying as it could lead to collusion between players, or at least the appearance of collusion (paranoia).

Also having the possibility of more than one player going through could lead to more draw agreements as players realise they do not have to score 5.5/6 or so to get the spot in the next division.


Don Groves    (2010-05-09 05:01:36)
How many games at once?

Vacations take care of life getting too busy to play. The other stuff is a matter of opinion. Ours are different.

I have no problem with taking 10 days for a juicy decision, but some here take several days for almost every move! That becomes too much.

Another thing that happens is that when a new tournament begins, one player may let his clock go red before he starts to move in a game. Then he will play one move per day to avoid losing on time, but the other player must wait for several weeks before the game begins. Is this fair?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-09 23:24:12)
How many games at once?

Of course it is laughable, I took the extreme opposites but while everything goes faster & faster on the internet and everyone MUST become more & more addicted so that the world runs fine (just meaning more money), my choice is definitely not to follow that way, also because this system will not work so long IMO. People will slowly quit Facebook after a time or at least will not use it the same way, and many already started to stop to play all these thousands stupid applications. Maybe it cannot be really a good comparison but the idea is there.

Correspondence chess was much slower before email chess & server chess, and it is now fast enough IMO. I don't know how other players feel it, some ones have time for sure, as for me I have some time to play but a 14 days limit per move would be really stressful to me though... I cannot imagine how many games more I would have lost with such a rule.

I know that a few players would like faster moves, however I feel that most players are fine with the current rules and I really want everyone to be cool here. We've lost a bunch of good players because of the previous rules such as unlimited number of games.

Now we should debate it game after game as most players who would like faster moves at chess still play in class tournaments (while rapid category was designed for them). Go is a game of patience definitely, but I have some work to do to accelerate some games (something towards automatic adjudication), and the major problem will be for poker games.

So, what are we talking about? :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-09 23:31:20)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

Sorry Garvin, I was not clear enough, I meant "what to do if let's say 5 players rated 2000-2200 (who won 5 different tournaments !) suddenly ask for an entry in a 2200+ (class M) waiting list".

We can discuss your other suggestions of course, everything is possible there, but we must find an "agreement" on the other points before :)

> The entry fee for this qualified player should be the amount they won in their previous division.

I guess that we could try this way, but it seems a bit unfair for the winners of strong tournaments, any other opinion?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-09 23:44:16)
Time, time

I don't think we should hear Don this way, I understand that correspondence chess or Go asks us to have a "flash forward" of 1 year, sometimes more, and that may be a real problem in some cases.

I remember the case of a strong player & gentleman, Einar Andreassen, who had to forfeit several games kind of that way :/


Don Groves    (2010-05-10 02:13:36)
How many games at once?

I've had my say, I'll stop now. I'm still cool with FICGS, no fear of that ever changing :D

No matter what system of rules is in place, there will always be those who find a way to take advantage of it.


Garvin Gray    (2010-05-10 14:42:11)
Careful wht you do with our loved F

First of all, can we change the incorrect spelling in the thread title, it is start to shit me lol

Anyways, on to the thread topic.

Ok, now I understand what you are talking about Thib. Different tournament winners decide to exercise their right to enter the next highest division at the same time.

Rule One: Winning a tournament entitles you to enter the next highest division up. This is valid for the next tournament only in the division you have qualified for.

Upper qualification can not be stored for use at any future time.

The qualification only exists in the section you qualified in ie standard or rapid. It can not be transferred to the other section.

Thib, I do not think there will be ever be a situation where 5 players try and exercise their qualification rights into the exact same tournament at the same time.

Also the two rules above should help in reducing the chances of this happening.

In cases where two or more players do attempt to enter the same 'upper' division, the first person to pay their entry fee will get entry.

The idea of first person to pay is the earlier the commitment, the more benefit the 'committer' receives.

I have not yet come up with an idea for those who try to exercise their earnt option and miss out. Should they lose their opportunity, or it retained for the next tournament that they could enter.

Could be quite a long reserve list and also by the beginning of the 2nd tournament, the player may have lost more rating points and it can be shown by their results that they probably should not be going up.

Maybe on the reserves list, it should be listed by TER and the highest TER gets first option when it comes to second tournaments.

Does this make sense?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-11 15:25:54)
A suggestion

Hi Don, of course that's very feasible but I just drastically optimized the My games page so that it displays faster (it seems to work, the number of SQL requests went in average from about 30 to 2).

A consequence is that one can see if a player is in vacation on this page only if it's his turn in the game, maybe that's not definitive but I have to make this test and observe how the server reacts.

I'm not sure if your suggestion is really useful (maybe for those who hide the challenges form) but it would be kind of bonus, so if I can do it while avoiding too many tests, why not. For now, I prefer to let this page as it is.


Michel van der Kemp    (2010-05-11 16:42:20)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

I just dont like the possibility to buy oneself tickets for higher tournaments. What's next? Next FIDE world championship challenger is going to be the one that brings the largest bag of money to the table?

Perhaps a commercial aspect to this justifies this idea. I know it's a lot of work to keep a site like this running, and FICGS gets many improvements all the time. It makes sense to get some revenue out of it, to compensate so much work.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-11 18:01:16)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Hi Michel! Thanks again for discussing it.

> What's next? Next FIDE world championship challenger is going to be the one that brings the largest bag of money to the table?

I don't know if this was designed to be humor (I guess, but maybe you meant FICGS instead of FIDE?) but in the context of current FIDE rules I find it very funny :) .. by the way if the same rules were applied at FICGS, anyone could challenge the champion for the title for $500,000 or something like this. Of course that would be great for FICGS and the current champion may appreciate such a prize as well, but that's not the point here.

However yes this FIDE rule may be compared to my suggestion, at a very different level though (the basic idea is the same: to build prizes for more interesting [free?] competitions), in my opinion an entry fee of 10 Epoints is quite different from what I suggested before already. Note that even if FICGS was not free, it would not justify such special entry fee more (not saying it cannot be justified!), after all there's an entry fee in the vast majority of OTB tournaments, if you don't pay it (but GM/IM that are generally invited to play for free - and most often take the prize), you cannot improve your rating, the problem is that the entry fee depends on the tournament, and the entry fee for closed tournaments (the main/only way to get norms) is often much higer.

I agree that things are somewhat different here as the main idea of FICGS is to be completely free. So the real question is : "Is FICGS still 'free' if a tournament's winner can choose to pay an entry fee in a virtual money (by the way it is quite easy to get Epoints without having to pay anything) to enter the next tournaments category".

- If despite of all the answer is "no", then FICGS is NOT free right now anyway as any player can play a rated 2 games match RAPID SILVER with an entry fee against a higher rated player to have more chances to win elo points. This way even IECG was not free (chessfriend), and even if something is really 100% free, it still doesn't mean fair, which is the main point here. Even if a tournament's winner could enter the next tournament's category for free, such a rule would NEVER be completely fair, as I described the particular cases.

Quite complex :)

Finally I'm not saying you're wrong in any way. Free or not free is a really complex question IMO, in my point of view, FICGS will remain free as noone needs to pay to become champion or to achieve the highest ratings (unlike FIDE). But if it is 99% free only while offering money prizes, I'd choose it anyway for sure.


Garvin Gray    (2010-05-11 18:25:23)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Michel van der Kemp - I think you need to read, or re-read all of the comments and proposals, discussions again.

The key feature of this is that a person has to win their own rating group tournament in either standard or rapid before being able to enter a higher division.

There is no case where anyone can just buy a spot into a higher division. They have to first earn the privilege. Then in simple terms they would only be using the epoints collected from their win of said division.

I really do hope you have read the previous comments over the few threads that have eventuated on this topic, as they are crucial to understand the concept.

I have spent quite a lot of time typing out proposals and thoughts on this idea, so if you have not read them and instead just come into the forum and protested at the first thing you think it wrong, then I will be rather pissed off at you and anyone else that does it.


Garvin Gray    (2010-05-12 08:51:01)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

To answer one point, as opposed to point one hehe.

While it is true with hard work and good results, it is possible to get into the very high rating groups, the way this site works makes it very difficult indeed.

In fact, it is more likely that a persons rating will stay the same or reduce due to the fact that more players come into the system, take away rating points from those with established ratings and this keeps happening.

With how this site is set up, there are very few opportunities for players in the 2100 rating group to get back those points by playing opponents in the 2200-2300 or more as it stands atm.

So it is highly likely that a player, or players, could be improving their games, but their rating does not improve because they do not have the opportunity to improve their rating because they do not play people rated above them as much as they are playing people rated below them.


Garvin Gray    (2010-05-12 08:59:48)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Thib- I really think this voting idea is the wrong direction indeed.

The number of votes that you will receive will be so small as a representative of the whole site that it is not representative at all.

Furthermore, those voting most likely will not have read all of the history, counter-arguments and posts that have been made explaining why things are being proposed.

I am getting quite frustrated at reading some of the posts. I really would just like to see option 1 enacted by yourself, even for a trial period of one year.

One year might seem like a long time, but considering that this rule would only apply from when new tournaments have started, it could take a while for tournament winners to become apparent and then for them to accept their entry and then for those 'going up' to have achieved results that are worthy of analysis.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-05-12 16:42:29)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Eliminating the voice of the players down to just one being more representative. Now that is an original thought. I think many of us here are weary of this proposal.
Thibault I trust your judgement. Whatever you wish, is ok with me.
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-12 16:51:21)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Not exactly a vote Garvin, anyway a few opinions are much better than nothing and still matter to discuss.

My answer to Scott & Tano-Urayoán : I agree that none of these proposals is more fair than the current rules, but here is why at least choice #1 has also many advantages, for FICGS but also for the players : Of course, those who made it the hardest way like Wayne may feel that this is unfair to change the rules, but rules constantly evolve & this would be really a minor change (in the case of choice #1). The point is that while e.g. IECG uses this promotion system, it is unfair the same way that a player from IECG can register at FICGS with his IECG rating that benefited of this rule. From the start FICGS rules were harder than IECG rules when registering, but as ratings move faster here I thought that it would be a compensation, but it is not a reason enough not to improve the rules again if possible.

The reality according to me : choice #1 is less fair than current rules, and choice #4 is even more unfair, but the current rules aren't so fair either. Rules that would be completely fair may exist but would have too many bad consequences for sure, and at least FICGS would not have been a success by using it. Anyway, I will not take any decision today, let's wait for some more arguments, the whole discussion is actually even more interesting than the point that is discussed in. Finally, I'm quite favourable to try (as Garvin suggested) the choice #1 and discuss the consequences after a few months.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-14 12:26:10)
Rybka 4 beta is playing...

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=348113&t=34270

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=16655
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=16620

"Rybka 4 will be available on May 28."
http://www.newinchess.com/Shop/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=2479&utm_source=New+In+Chess&utm_campaign=de04452343-Campaign_36_12_5_2010&utm_medium=email


William Taylor    (2010-05-14 13:01:56)
Big chess world championship

It seems there is no final match phase for this. Do you plan to have a match between defending champ and challenger in future editions of the championship, and if not, why not?


William Taylor    (2010-05-14 13:03:40)
Big chess engine

The prevailing opinion in this forum has always been that the huge board would make an engine really hard or impossible. That doesn't seem to be the case at talkchess so far.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-14 14:23:53)
Big chess engine

It wouldn't be so hard to make an engine, I'm just very curious on which level it can play... I hope there will be people to throw themselves into that challenge, that would be interesting! :) .. I replied at talkchess, let's see how this will evolve.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-05-16 21:42:34)
Quick review Chess Engines

Howdy, Rybka 4 Beta 5 is out for beta testing. It is much too early to draw conclusions regarding elo strength. So far it is not looking great.
Many of the bugs from R3 are at present in R5 beta. For example the tablebase bug, bishop under promotion still not fixed, 5.04/5.12 bug tree search is reportedly still there.
In addition It is said to have severe time problem.
This is a summary of what I have been reading. But, these reports are beta remember. So R4 may still be top program after release.
In the mean time Stockfish and fire are 2 programs that are right there with rybka3 and maybe a little stronger. On my computer testing R3 is still tops.
Now, there is a new program, Houdini is available. I downloaded it this morning and have been running eng-eng matches with R3, 2 threads. So far Houdini is holding it's own. You can download the program here.
http://www.cruxis.com/chess/houdini.htm
I think CC players now have many equally strong engines available to help with their Centaur abilities and should be interesting to see the progressions Wayne


Benjamin Block    (2010-05-17 14:47:44)
Why not make big chess engine.

I really want to make a big chess engine but the problem is that i don´t know how to programme yet. I will start learing it in school 2011, i really look forward to it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-17 23:18:18)
Question

Still thinking about the last Garvin's idea... the real question is IMO: can one estimate that it is fair that a player who is 50 elo points below the rating cutoff, let's say a player rated 2150, have the same right than the winner of a previous class A tournament to buy a ticket for the next class M tournament?

There are advantages to this idea of course, a problem is that there will be even less possibilites for tournaments winners to have a ticket... (well, it goes in the other way also)

I like the idea though... My personal answer to this question would be probably: All this is far too complicated to be summarized this way to this question, winning a tournament IS a matter of chance also, winning a game IS a matter of chance (we prefer to call it statistics) also, and this rule, whatever the details, IS unfair anyway. So there is no clear answer IMHO, but if someone has one, please share it now :)


Gabriel Ciobanu    (2010-05-19 10:53:55)
Go (weiqi) is...

a game about hiding emotions. Who hides better his emotions, wins... This is a joke!
Go is an unique game, about self esteem, self confidence, respect and concentration.


Arno Bezemer    (2010-05-20 14:57:17)
Late resignation

Normally I don't mind to play out a winning position, but my opponent in game 32535 keeps on playing for ever, with just a pawn vs my rook and 2 pawns. On the lowest level i can maybe understand this but not in a class M 2200+ tournament. Is there anything i can do about it?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-20 15:28:19)
Late resignation

Hi Arno, best is to call the referee a first time (most often it is enough), see the rules :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications

It was not so easy to build rules that fit to everyone (centaurs & non-centaurs), so you may have to play a few moves yet, but not so many in loooong & obvious endgames.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-20 23:48:59)
Updated !

As you may have seen, the FICGS rules have been updated with the rule that was discussed here...

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tickets

This is still an experiment, let's see the benefits (for waiting lists & future prizes), it may be changed yet.

If you just won a tournament, you should have received an email explaining all this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-05-27 00:13:35)
Number of rated FIDE players

There would be 116,362 rated FIDE players all over the world within 143 federations (most important ones are Germany, Russia, Spain, France and India.. only 26 of them have more than 1000 rated players, e.g. only 398 rated players in China)

A Chessbase article that is worth to read!

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6364


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-01 22:42:07)
Rybka 4!

Strange... many rybkaforum members will harass Vasik with questions on these performances, most probably :/

Just looking at the new CEGT rating lists, Rybka 4 would be 30 to 80 points stronger than Rybka 3 :

CEGT 40/20

1 Deep Rybka 4 x64 4CPU 3220 39 39 200 74.8% 3031 40.5%
2 Rybka 3 x64 4CPU 3181 10 10 3099 73.9% 3000 35.3%
3 Stockfish 1.7.1 x64 4CPU 3159 11 11 2201 69.1% 3019 40.3%
4 Rybka 3 x64 2CPU 3146 10 10 3481 72.6% 2977 35.7%
5 Naum 4.2 x64 4CPU 3140 15 15 1226 61.5% 3059 44.4%

CEGT 40/4

1 Rybka 4.0 x64 4CPU 3265 24 24 500 70.7% 3112 40.6%
2 Rybka 3.0 Dynamic x64 4CPU 3233 19 19 1200 79.8% 2994 25.9%
3 Rybka 3.0 x64 4CPU 3231 9 9 4300 78.0% 3012 30.2%
4 Rybka 3.0 Human x64 4CPU 3229 21 21 1000 78.8% 3001 26.8%
5 Stockfish 1.7.1 x64 4CPU 3198 13 13 2150 72.2% 3032 33.1%


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-02 03:03:10)
Fire 1.31 vs. Rybka 4

It seems that the forthcoming match between the top chess engines will be Rybka 4 (just released) versus Fire 1.31 (a new free engine from the Ippolit/Ivanhoe/Robbolito series that may be a clone of Rybka but we still have no clue about this). By the way does anyone know the differences between Fire 1.31 and Firebird 1.2, it seems to me that only the name changed.

Of course Stockfish & Naum are in the race but it will be interesting to see if the creator of Rybka has found a way to keep its great engine above its supposed clones.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-06-02 16:23:43)
Rybka 4!

Fire = Firebird Thibault, my bad. I am running a match, R4-SF 50 games Nunn2 TB. interesting so far after 33 of 50 games score is +12=15-6. +64 elo strength over stockfish.
Not too bad. This Firebird engine needs looking into. I will run a Nunn2 match next.
Oh, BTW, R4 is not running with default paramaters. I have modified them. This quite fun.
Wayne


Lazaro Munoz    (2010-06-03 19:23:41)
Number of rated FIDE players

FIDE has always had a bit of an elitist streak with rating, but also most national tournament administrator do not send in tournament reports from local events to them so that is another reason why do not the expected bell curve of ratings.

The traditional method for a lower rated player to get a FIDE rating was to play in major open event such as the World Open and hopefully play against a FIDE rated player. But since these events are broken in under-xxxx (by ratings) sections, most lower rated players never get a chance to play against a rated opponent unless they were brave enough to enter to top open section.

ICCF had a similar elitist attitude but that has changed in recent years; however at in countries that have a established national CC federation, you use to need to be a member of one to play; it use to be you needed to be invited by your national federation, but that part has changed and as long as you a member of national CC organization you can enter any ICCF that you qualify for (based on ratings).

BTW, ICCF has announced a Webserver open tournament that is free to anyone that does not currently have an ICCF rating. If you have one (ICCF rating) you can join via your national fed or at the ICCF site; I found that the ICCF site was more expensive than going through the national federation.

--laz


Peter Marriott    (2010-06-03 20:44:26)
Rybka 4!

Thib, Firebird was changed to Fire because someone emailed Norman and asked him to change the name because I guess a company name is Firebird...So Norman simply shortened it to "Fire". Fire 1.31 is new, but I don't think there is an elo increase.


Peter Marriott    (2010-06-03 20:48:56)
Fire 1.31 vs. Rybka 4

You mean 1.2 is stronger than 1.3? I don't think so, 1.3 definitely stronger, maybe not by much, but stronger. 1.31 is a maintenance release, not 1.3. If you wanna know specifically what the improvements are, go to: http://www.chesslogik.com/fire.htm


Ilmars Cirulis    (2010-06-04 23:08:46)
post music band of your country here :)

http://www.myspace.com/standart
&
http://draugiem.lv/musicartistid24925

your turn! :)


Vincent Dups    (2010-06-07 20:42:32)
Problème d'affichage

Bonjour,

Je suis sois Firefox 3.6.3 et sous Vista et lorsque j'ouvre mes parties pour répondre et envoyer mon coup l'échiquier est déformé et certaines pièces n'apparaissent pas, et j'ai à la place ce message : [AD]2) window.location='/user_page.php?page=move_express&game=43811&flip=';">

Merci pour votre aide à ce propos.
Je précise que j'ai le même problème sous IE.

Bien cordialement.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-07 20:58:08)
Problème d'affichage

Bonjour Vincent, étrange je ne constate aucun problème... je vois que vous avez joué déjà quelques coups donc cela est très récent ? Les navigateurs sont parfois capricieux, peut être faut-il faire le ménage dans le cache et recharger la page. Le navigateur a-t-il bien l'autorisation de charger toutes les images et d'exécuter les javascript (pour la procédure move_express en tout cas) ? L'un ou l'autre de ces paramètres manquants peuvent provoquer ce genre de choses.


Vincent Dups    (2010-06-07 22:34:07)
Problème d'affichage

Bonjour,

Merci à vous pour votre retour. En fait cela fonctionne bien sur mon ordinateur de boulot mais je n'y ait pas accès tout le temps.

En modifiant les préférences et en passant en petit échiquier j'ai au moins un échiquier carré mais par contre les cavaliers noirs ne s'affichent pas et je ne peux pas les activer.

Sinon Java est activé, tout est à jour et je ne comprends vraiment pas !

Dommage !

Encore merci à vous en tout cas.

Bien cordialement.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-07 23:41:27)
Problème d'affichage

Les cavaliers noirs uniquement ? Vraiment bizarre... Je ne peux que conseiller de vider le cache des navigateurs et d'effectuer un reload de la page. Je ne vois pas d'où peut venir un tel problème à part du cache, toutes mes excuses :/

Cordialement,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-08 14:42:06)
Problème d'affichage

:-) Sorry, Vincent explained that he encountered a strange problem with his browsers, he cannot see the black knights on the chessboard that is not square anymore, probably due to the cache... but I'm not sure.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-11 18:42:23)
Analysis board in Chess 960

Right... errh.. I can't remember if I encountered any problem while coding it. I'll have to look at that. Thanks for warning me!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-14 22:26:02)
10 moves rule for Poker

An interesting case... a Poker holdem game finished after only 6 moves (6 played by each player)! The winner was surprised to see that he didn't win any rating point, indeed there's a rule at FICGS (11.6) that says : "Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating)"

Another reason for this rule is that any player who lose to another one in less than 10 moves is most probably overrated so he should lose some points but his opponent may not win points, so I think that this rule may be ok for poker as well (and I'm not sure if playing all-in each time deserves to win some points :)), but I'd prefer to read some other opinions anyway.

What do you think?


Garvin Gray    (2010-06-16 14:13:15)
Browser password issue

I do not believe it is a cookie issue.

The issue is the same in both firefox and chrome.

In the latest firefox version, I go to tools-options and under privacy, I have showing=

History- Firefox will- and the drop down option I have chosen is: Remember history.

Then it says that Firefox will remember your browsing etc etc etc.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-17 01:50:33)
10 moves rule for Poker

I'm not sure, the temptation to try to cheat (well, in a certain measure of course, it would be harder above 2000 elo) may increase. Anyway, if players know the rules, it is quite easy to avoid this rare case, what do you think?


Garvin Gray    (2010-06-17 01:50:54)
10 moves rule for Poker

I also agree with not having the 10 move rule for poker. If players want to just keep going all in and lose in less than 10 moves, they should not be protected from losing rating points.

Having the knowledge that you could lose rating points regardless of the length of the game might deter some players from the all in practice described above.

Or, having the 10 move rule could serve as an encouragement to try going all in all the time as their rating is protected if they lose.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-17 14:00:00)
10 moves rule for Poker

"Or, having the 10 move rule could serve as an encouragement to try going all in all the time as their rating is protected if they lose."

Their rating is NOT protected if they lose before the 10th move. This rule concerns the winner only.


Kevin D. Plant    (2010-06-25 12:00:56)
Fire 1.31 vs. Rybka 4

Firebird is a brand name, trademark of the Firebird Foundation Inc, so they changed it to Fire.


Garvin Gray    (2010-06-28 12:40:37)
Save/Reload hash in Rybka

Ahh good, you are using CB Rybka (F12).

CB I take it stands for chessbase.

I have been trying to following procedure in Fritz 12 to save hash, but does not seem to be working for me.

After using infinite analysis, I go to engine (home-insert- board options at the top of the gui.).

I then choose change main engine and then click on engine parameters. Do I have this right so far?

Then I click on save hash. Do I need to tick preserve analysis?

I have even tried after saving hash and then restarting F12 clicking on load hash, but nothing I seem to try gets the engine to go back to where I was with the previous analysis.

Help!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-28 20:44:06)
Encyclopedia of gambits

I guess that many of you read the interesting Chessbase article by Kavalek :

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6460

The link to the encyclopedia of gambits by Marco Saba was a surprise to me... really interesting, and a huge work!

http://studimonetari.org/edg/

I picked up a few ideas for the next chess thematic tournaments, so there may be the next ones in the future :

Aasum [Van Geet: Hector Gambit] 1.Nc3 d5 2.e4 de4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.f3
Abonyi-Tennison [Reti: Tennison Gambit Accepted] 1.Nf3 d5 2.e4 de4 3.Ng5
[KGA: Allgaier Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ng5 h6 6.Nf7
"Anti-Stonewall" [Dutch: Alapin] 1.d4 f5 2.Qd3 d5 3.g4
[Budapest: Alekhine, Balogh Gambit] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de5 Ng4 4.e4 d6
Banzai-Leong [French] 1.e4 e6 2.b4
Batavo [Bird: Batavo Gambit] 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.e4
Beyer c.g. [Blackmar-Diemer: Beyer Countergambit] 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5
Birmingham [Polish: Birmingham Gambit] 1.b4 c5
Blackburne - I [Scandinavian: 2.exd5] 1.e4 d5 2.ed5 c6
Böhnke [Scandinavian: Böhnke Gambit] 1.e4 d5 2.ed5 e5
Breyer [KGA: Breyer Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef4 3.Qf3
De Smet [Nimzowitsch Defence: 2.d4 e5 3.dxe5] 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 e5 3.de5 d6
[Diemer-Duhm Gambit (DDG) vs. Slav/Caro-Kann] 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.e4
Gaga [King's Gambit Accepted (KGA)] 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef4 3.g3
Halasz - II [Sicilian: Halasz Gambit] 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cd4 3.f4
Hickmann [English: Anglo-Dutch] 1.c4 f5 2.e4 fe4 3.d3
Hjoerring c.g. [Benko Gambit] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.e4
Jerome [Giuoco Piano: Jerome Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Bf7
Krejcik [Dutch: Krejcik Gambit] 1.d4 f5 2.g4
Lasa [Open Game: Lopez/Mcleod, Lasa Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.c3 f5
Lasker - III [Bird: From Gambit Accepted] 1.f4 e5 2.fe5 f6
Omega [Indian: Omega Gambit] 1.d4 Nf6 2.e4
Vector [English: Vector] 1.c4 d5 2.cd5 c6
Wheeler [Nimzowitsch Defence: Wheeler Gambit] 1.e4 Nc6 2.b4
Zilbermints - III [Queen's Gambit] 1.d4 d5 2.c4 b5
"Zurigo" [Queen's Pawn Game] 1.d4 d5 2.g4

If you notice more interesting openings, do not hesitate to suggest it here...


Ilmars Cirulis    (2010-06-29 11:23:20)
Encyclopedia of gambits

Fried Liver attack is good for thematics, imo


Gregory Kohut    (2010-06-30 01:16:58)
Encyclopedia of gambits

I suggest the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit or the King's Gambit Accepted Bishop Variation. 1.e4,e5 2.f4,exf4 3.Bc4


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-06-30 22:51:38)
FIDE elections: Karpov vs. Ilyumzhinov

Hi all,

I'm not so aware of the FIDE elections but if I remember well Anatoly Karpov was a supporter of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov during the previous elections... Do you think that all this is just to say "yes this is an election, as you can see there is an opposition" ?

Why there is no other candidates? Too "expensive" ?


Gino Figlio    (2010-08-03 04:39:59)
Match vs. ICCF

I am not involved in ICCF management anymore but my suggestion would be to ask the ICCF President if he would be interested in promoting such a match, hosted in the ICCF webserver.

Make it ICCF rated and free. Maybe 10-20 boards.
Suggest that only players rated 2500 or more participate in the ICCF team.
Mention that FICGS will play with their top players.
Mention the total number of members in FICGS and how some of them may decide to play in ICCF events in the future if promotional events like this are created.

ICCF needs to see FICGS as a potential partner and not a competitor otherwise this match will not happen.

My personal view since I do not represent ICCF in any way.


Garvin Gray    (2010-07-02 15:38:21)
Encyclopedia of gambits

Semi Slav Marshall Gambit.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-07-05 23:34:33)
Fischer's not dead yet!

I didn't know about that... it just made the Chessbase news too.

In order to settle a paternity dispute, on the order of the Icelandic Supreme Court, the remains of former World Champion Bobby Fischer were "exhumed" on Monday...

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6479


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-07-06 17:55:40)
Speeding up Poker games

(thinking... thinking...)

okay I agree that the accumulated 100 days limit is not relevant for poker games, I just changed it to 60 days for poker holdem! That's a lot yet but thus players will always see their clock running (as 60 is also the time per move limit) which may have a psychological effect... Let's see how this work as a first step.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-07-07 12:07:52)
Class GM 2 : Rating average 2496

It seems to me that the strongest FICGS chess tournament (7 players or more) so far just started, I would like to apologize to my opponents, if I didn't lose so many points, it would have been a category 11 tournament for sure... :/

https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_GM__000002

Good luck everyone!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-07-07 13:33:08)
Round-robin stages in the chess WCH

Just a word on stage 1 & stage 2 for the chess WCH round-robin tournaments: I understand the disappointment of players who share 1st place but do not qualify while some others do... Sometimes we need a few more players to build 7 players tournaments, in this case most often players who share 1st place are ordered by place in the tournament, then by current rating. As there are many special & complex cases though, the official rule is "Players may be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player".

I know that the round-robin system may be quite frustrating (that's why I wanted the knockout in parallel that I'm sure now it's more interesting & fair) for the players who share 1st place, particularly in the round-robin final (Alberto Gueci knows that..... he shared many first places before to play the knockout matches), but the round-robin is the only way so that everyone can play and once again the idea is: "if you share first place but you didn't qualify, at least you won rating points for the next cycle". I have no idea of a better system...


Rolf Staggat    (2010-07-12 14:23:33)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions

@Francisco

Sorry, Francisco, but the North-Korean players are NOT similar, and they are well-known in Europe. One of them now plays in Bochum, Germany. Another one in Rostow, Russia. Some play in Japan and South-Korea. They all look different, maybe not for you, but for me. Ask the South-Korean player CHA, he is born in Germany, he knows them all.


Francisco Gramajo    (2010-07-12 22:33:01)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions

@Rolf Staggat @Francisco

I was in korea for a while, at the begining was hard for me to diference one from other, they look similar, and believe it or not, every body is named Park, Kim, Lee or Chiung.

Seriously... the few Koreans who can get any atlhetic training becoming super athletes, that is for sure!

Another important note: most of the population dont believe in God, not in Jesus, even tough they have more respect from each other than the christians.

My highly respects for all them.

Regards to all,


Svante Carl von Erichsen    (2010-07-15 14:39:03)
How to link?

How would I link to a FICGS game or tournament from the outside? It seems that nothing works without login.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-07-25 18:56:22)
Layout improvement

I'm now trying a few improvements for the layout (mainly for the fast moves process), please report if something displays badly because of a long name, tournament's name, anything... Feedback is welcome :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-07-27 00:12:45)
Layout improvement

I just added a "next / list" option in My games (the same one than "next" option in Preferences, but the change remains only during the session), which makes it easier to change the option - available only with the fast moves process.

In my opinion the "next" option is great when combined to the poker games filter... Then when you're done with poker, you may change to "list" and no filter to play your other games... I feel I save more time this way.

Any opinion ?


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-07-28 15:38:18)
Match vs. ICCF

Dear Friends,

Why not we have a match vs. ICCF. I think, we have players who can shake the hell out of any opponent on board and highly qualified corr. chess players.

Thib, let's do it. Try and induce them for a battle to take REVENGE (if at all FICGS lost previously).

What you guys say?


Scott Nichols    (2010-07-28 15:43:49)
Match vs. ICCF

I think it would be a good chance to show them we are definitely worthy of respect.


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-07-28 16:00:14)
Match vs. ICCF

Hello Thib,

I am not sure. Somewhere from within my 1kb memory, i vaguely remembered that FICGS played with ICCF in the past and lost. I may be wrong too.

But, that's a real challenge and we got players who have nothing to lose. They know the tricks of trade and can grill the ICCF players. I suppose they will come up with weaker players, but not the top level. Once we show our mettle, only then will they know that FICGS means Real Business.


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-07-28 16:26:42)
Match vs. ICCF

Exactly Thib,

A person with some repo at ICCF, who also plays here can do the job. We can shield the names of our top players to induce them


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-07-28 20:49:27)
Match vs. ICCF

Dear Thib,

I think Riccio, Eros (Italian guy) is also an active member at ICCF. Let's see if he can oblige your request and create a post at the ICCF forum. I do not know how well you know him, but you can ask :)


Ruben Comes    (2010-07-29 07:43:42)
Match vs. ICCF

Seems like a good idea.
But Thib said I do not think they are interested, at least institutionally.
Perhaps they can form a team of ICCF private.
Of course, I would play for Ficgs team, I'm not sure if I have the strength you need.


Xavier Pichelin    (2010-08-01 11:03:51)
Match vs. ICCF

Bonjour,
Pourquoi pas?
Je peux lancer l'idée avec le président de ICCF car j'ai son email perso et que je communique souvent avec puisque c'est un français et membre actif de AJEC (association francaise des jeux echecs par correspondance).
Maintenant,
ici il y a beaucoup de fort joueur qui joue FICGS et fort joueur à ICCF (Eros, Peter qui joue la Finale du WC 26 Word Champion ICCF) etc...
Ces joueurs vont t-il jouer pour FICGS?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-01 15:50:59)
Match vs. ICCF

Salut Xavier ! Merci pour la proposition, et en effet (mis à part le fait que j'aie du mal à trouver de bonnes raisons à l'ICCF de jouer un tel match - à part la passion de la compétition) l'un des problemes majeurs dans l'idée est que quasiment tous les meilleurs joueurs du site sont également actifs à l'ICCF... A chacun de choisir peut être, ou bien seuls les joueurs actifs sur un site seulement pourraient jouer, pas de choix simple :/

________

Well, Xavier may submit the idea directly to the ICCF president, but one more obvious problem is that most of the best FICGS players are also active members at ICCF... If such a match would happen, the selected players would have to choose... Or only players active at one server only may be included in a team... no easy choice :/

Or maybe FICGS, ICCF and players wouldn't care about all this and only want a nice match that wouldn't mean anything, why not :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-08-02 05:06:18)
Match vs. ICCF

Howdy. I think this would be fun. I would suggest some sort of mechanism that will prevent more than 2 to 3 days response with normal TC of 1 move/day. Maybe no increment.
I would be very pleased to represent FICGS team. Lastly I think the players should play tables starting at table 1 highest rank and so forth.
Just my view point. I am really overloaded with games but would add this to my list.
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-03 11:49:16)
Match vs. ICCF

Hi Gino, thanks for your precious advices... Good ideas, and indeed ICCF could host the whole event (if they wish).

Still thinking about it... another idea (among others) : if only FICGS players who are not members of ICCF could enter the FICGS team, maybe the experience could be interesting as well as I feel that many 2200-2300 players here are getting stronger [maybe also due to the increasing level of engines] and will probably reach 2400 in a while, so they would have a chance to play a match against very strong ICCF players... The idea would be to see the real strength difference between these 2 categories of players (ICCF would be almost sure not to lose but for us the challenge would be even greater).

The other idea behind this is that ICCF may see an opportunity to make discover their server to these new players.

Finally we may suggest several ideas to ICCF, Gino's one, this one & maybe others... Whatever they choose, it could be interesting for the players, what do you think?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-03 12:46:54)
Congratulations to "FSF en passant"

Finally here are the final results !!!

"FSF En passant" won this very interesting tournament by 1 point ahead of 2 teams !! The suspense was until the very last games to know the final team ranks.

The fact to note: Yellow Blue warriors finish second while they were actually 3 players in the team, Yura Lemekhov played an amazing tournament (5.5/6 , perf 2456) ... (the last player stopped to play :/)

Thanks to all players, it was lots of fun! I'll try to make the things clearer in the tournaments pages for the next edition...


10 points for : FSF En Passant

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270)
Volker Koslowski (2264)
Sebastian Boehme (2175)
Roland Markus (2096)

9 (tot: 15.5) points for : The knights who say "Ni"

Michael Aigner (2602)
Xavier Pichelin (2577)
Hannes Rada (2559)
Thibault de Vassal (2473)

9 (tot: 13.5) points for : Yellow-Blue Warriors

Iouri Basiliev (2173)
Dmytro Romaniuk (1937)
Ostap Hladky (2176)
Yura Lemehov (2171)

8 points for : The Dark Knights

William Taylor (2140)
Scott Nichols (2089)
Don Groves (1991)
Josef Riha (1989)

4 points for : Happy Pawn

Stephane Legrand (2209)
Garvin Gray (2125)
Daniel Parmet (1961)
Ilmar Cirulis (1805)

2 points for : Our team King

Alexander Blinchevsky
Stanimir Denchev
Benjamin Block
Ranganathan Raman

0 point for : The Ghost Knights

Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden


Ni FSF Dark Happy Blue Ghost King

Aigner 1 = = = = =
Pich 0 = = 1 1 1
Rada = = 1 = 1 =
DeVas = = 1 0 1 1

0 Lehnh = = = = =
1 Koslo = = 1 1 1
= Boehm = 1 = 1 1
= Marku = 1 = 1 1

= = Taylo = = = =
= = Nicho = 1 1 1
= = Grove = 0 1 =
= = Riha 1 0 1 1

= = = Legra = = =
= = = Gray 1 1 1
0 0 = Parmet 0 1 =
0 0 0 Ciruli 0 1 1

= = = = Basili = 1
0 0 0 0 Romani 0 0
= = 1 1 Hladky 1 =
1 = 1 1 Lemekh 1 1

= 1 = = = Khacha =
0 0 0 0 1 Inving 0
0 0 0 0 0 Lecler 0
0 0 0 0 0 Orden 1

= = = = 0 = Blinch
0 0 0 0 1 1 Denchev
= 0 = = = 1 Block
0 0 0 0 0 0 Raman


"Team 1" - "Team 2" : points (score)

"Ni" - "FSF" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Happy" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Ni" - "YB" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Ni" - "King" : 2-0 (3-1)
"FSF" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"FSF" - "Happy" : 2-0 (3-1)
"FSF" - "YB" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"FSF" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"FSF" - "King" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "Happy" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Dark" - "YB" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
"Dark" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "King" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Happy" - "YB" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
"Happy" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Happy" - "King" : 2-0 (3-1)
"YB" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (2.5-0.5)
"YB" - "King" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Ghost" - "King" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)


Definitely, even if the "Knights who say Ni" team decided before the match to play unusual openings in most games, this tournament shows again that the strength gap between top players and players rated 2150-2300 is not big at all as many of these players tend to reach the 2400 barrier...


George Clement    (2010-08-08 00:19:40)
PGN files

Is it possible to put your games into a pgn file and download it to your computer, if so how do you do it?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-09 19:40:51)
Future Rating Question

In some cases, games are not taken in account in the rating calculation, e.g. if less than 10 moves are played (for the winner only).

Complete rules:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html

Feel free to ask if you have any doubt...


Scott Nichols    (2010-08-09 21:12:59)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Just a note to say how this new rule is affecting at least one player here (me), :) I "earned" entry to a higher class tournament by winning the class just below. I paid my ten E-points and received entry into the next higher class. We have been playing for a while and I am holding my own ok. I have met new players and am overjoyed at the chance to play them. They are all friendly and welcoming. Life couldn't be better, ......but....... Maybe it's just me, but I feel at this point that I never REALLY earned my way into this realm. The old way was to suffer through months and years of climbing the rating ladder a little at a time and then finally reach that next level. Also, just my opinion, is that these days there really isn't a big difference in strengths between 1850 and 2450 given that we all have fast computers running on Rybka mostly. The difference I find is the human side of the ratings. The old days whether Shredder could beat Fritz, or Deep Junior could beat Hiarcs are long gone. So I guess what I'm trying to say without rambling any further, is that as much as I like playing in the higher section, I would prefer to "EARN" it the old way. Just one players opinion, Thank you


Don Groves    (2010-08-10 10:00:19)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Scott: In a way you did earn it, you won a next lower rated tournament which "earned" you the right to play one time in a higher rated one. The purpose is to allow players to improve their ratings faster if they are good enough to win some games at the higher rating.

As you say though, and Thibault seems to agree, with fast processors and the best software, there isn't as much difference between players as there used to be.


Andres E. Leon    (2010-08-11 00:41:41)
Future Rating Question

I am sorry to bother you, but I do not understand why the system does not take into account three of my last four games, in the moment to calculate my future rating. For example, the last game that I finished in the FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_A__000075 tournament was:

Game 39469

Last move : 1-0 2010 July 3 22:30:1

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_A__000075"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2010.01.20"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Leon,Andres E."]
[Black "Faust,Dieter"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1904"]
[BlackElo "1980"]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Ne7 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.Qg4 Kf8 8.Bd2 Qa5 9.a4 Nbc6 10.Nf3 c4 11.Be2 b5 12.O-O bxa4 13.Ra2 Ba6 14.Rfa1 Bb5 15.h4 h5 16.Qg5 a6 17.Bc1 Kg8 18.Qd2 Nf5 19.Bf1 Rh6 20.g3 Re8 21.Ba3 Rg6 22.Bh3 Rh6 23.Rb1 Rb8 24.Bxf5 exf5 25.Qe3 Nd8 26.Ne1 Ne6 27.Ng2 Rc8 28.Qf3 g6 29.Nf4 Nxf4 30.Qxf4 Rh7 31.Bd6 Rg7 32.e6 fxe6 33.Qh6 Qd8 34.Be5 Qf8 35.Re1 Rc6 36.R2a1 Kf7 37.Qxg7+ Qxg7 38.Bxg7 Kxg7 39.Kf1 Kf7 40.Ke2 Rb6 41.Rab1 Rc6 42.Kd2 Ke7 43.Kc1 Rc7 44.Kb2 Rc6 45.Ka3 Rc7 46.Re5 Kf6 47.Rbe1 Bd7 48.f3 Rc8 49.Ka2 Rg8 50.Rb1 Bb5 51.R5e1 Rc8 52.Rb4 Rg8 53.Rg1 Rb8 54.Ka3 Rb7 55.Rgb1 Rg7 56.Rg1 Rb7 57.R4b1 Rg7 58.Kb4 Rc7 59.Rh1 Rh7 60.Rh2 Rb7 61.Ka5 Rh7 62.Rg1 Ke7 63.g4 fxg4 64.fxg4 hxg4 65.Rxg4 Rh6 66.Rh1 Kd6 67.Rb1 Rh8 68.Rxg6 Rxh4 69.Rbg1 Rh2 70.R6g2 Rh3 71.Kb4 Rh6 72.Rg8 Rh2 73.R1g2 Rxg2 74.Rxg2 Be8 75.Ka5 Bb5 76.Kb6 Kd7 77.Kc5 Kc7 78.Rg7+ Bd7 79.Rh7 a3 80.Rh1 Be8 81.Ra1 Bb5 82.Rxa3 Kd7 83.Ra5 Ke7 84.Ra1 Kd7 85.Rh1 Kc7 86.Rh7+ Bd7 87.Rg7 a5 88.Rh7 1-0

Besides, I am playing the FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_13__000008 group of the WCH, and I already finished three games.

Game 45063 Leon - Leclerc
Game 45064 Piantadosi - Leon
Game 45065 Leon - Dsouza

In one of them less than 10 moves were played (Game 45063 Leon - Leclerc ). However, in the other two games more than 20 moves were played, but when I finished these two games they were not taken into account in my future rating. Some of these games, particularly the Game 39469, I like very much and I spend a lot of efforts. It is a bitter that it is not used in my rating. I am afraid that the system is not actualizing my future rating, Can you help me to understand what is happening?

Again, I apologise for this inconvenience and I appreciate any help, thank you very much.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-11 11:09:44)
Future Rating Question

No problem, it is always good to check from time to time if everything works fine :)

So, your current rating is now 2031.

1) Game 39469, win against TER 1980, more than 10 moves, the game counts! It is obvious when looking at the Opponents elo average in the Future rating : Games calculated : 1, Result : 100 %, Elo opponents : 1980

2) Game 45063 : less than 10 moves played.

3) Game 45064 : does not count, explained by the rule "The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is greater than 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player." <- see http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess

4) Game 45065 : same reason.


Of course you cannot win Elo points by beating opponents who are much weaker (even if you have to play them sometimes, e.g. in WCH tournaments)... That's the core of the Elo system.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-12 22:46:32)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Hello all, 2 players are needed for a replacement in the tournaments CHESS CLASS GM #2 (average 2496) and CHESS RAPID SM #6 (average 2408).

Please send me a private message (or email info*ficgs.com) if you're interested, thanks in advance.

Note: There's no specific rule when choosing players for replacements so the fastest players with the strongest ELO will play.


Scott Nichols    (2010-08-12 23:00:35)
Speeding up Poker games

A small suggestion that would help a little. Thib could you add a "fold" button for every hand. Many times, (more recently :) my down cards are sooo bad, I don't want to wait for the flop etc. I just want to chuck them and get on with the next hand. Does anybody else feel this way?


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-08-13 06:59:29)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

What has happened in GM#2. PM me if you wish
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-13 10:50:25)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

One player did not play a single move yet, with a few days only at his clock, same in rapid SM 6...


Garvin Gray    (2010-08-13 12:27:02)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

You have email Thib.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-08-14 04:15:28)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

I'd play but i'm sure you can't use someone so weak :P


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-08-15 17:26:23)
ICCF games database

Hi Thib,

what you refer to is probably better known as ICCF Games archive.

Look here:

http://www.iccf.com/content/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=81


Philip Roe    (2010-08-16 00:55:23)
Tournament entry conditions

Thibault,

Is it reasonable for someone to enter a new tournament when they have twenty four existing games and have not played a single move in any one of them?

This situation makes me hesitate to enter either B 00120 or Rapid B 00158.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-16 14:55:01)
Tournament entry conditions

Hello Philip, thanks for warning me... I just removed the player from the waiting lists & sent him a message about this. If it happens again, I'll make some replacements.


Garvin Gray    (2010-08-18 17:21:58)
Newest/oldest posts first

In forum, I would like to have the option to be able to see the newer posts at the top of each topic, rather than having to scroll down through 50 older posts to get to the most recent postings.

There does not seem to be a feature to show new posts first.

Please add :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-18 18:29:28)
Newest/oldest posts first

So an option to display the forum posts in a reversed way ?!

Not so usual (?), it seems to me that posts are displayed this way only under the response form to keep an eye on the message we're to reply to.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2010-08-18 23:31:27)
Speeding up Poker games

In my opinion the new fold button is no improvement. It just confuses.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-19 01:40:04)
Speeding up Poker games

Hi Sebi, would be too easy IMO :/ I don't think that such a solution could go without any problem... We must absolutely avoid that any game be lost on time by playing one move per day just when the opponent sleeps or something like that.


Garvin Gray    (2010-08-28 06:21:22)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

what has happened with this?


Daniel Parmet    (2010-08-30 07:59:57)
Quote festival, part 6

Darn good quotes even if they aren't mine! Sorry, I can't claim authorship of them though I liked them hence I repeated them. You can scroll up for some of mine.

Here is my grandfather's favorite quote.

"You live on through your good deeds and those that people that remember and cherish those memories" - Jim Wolf


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-08-30 19:01:07)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Nothing so far but we have time. Maybe the next rating list will help...


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-08-31 16:23:08)
Latest deletions of chat

Hi everyone,

is it just a feeling or does it so happen that more and more chat is simply being deleted?

I thought the idea of deleting chat was to get rid of very abusing chat only.

It seems this option is being abused though and now even used on rather neutral or friendly chat. What can there be done?


Philip Roe    (2010-09-01 04:27:05)
Latest deletions of chat

If I'm right, chat messages are deleted by clicking on the triangle to the left. I have no idea whether this is some kind of standard practice, but I must admit that once (long ago) I wondered "What happens if I click on this? Oh dear, I seem to have deleted it" I feel sure that others must have done the same.

So, Thibault, you have to work around the ignorance of people like me.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-01 14:01:03)
Latest deletions of chat

Hi Philip, it is true that the interface is not so easy at the beginning... the mouse over the pics tell what's the click's effect. I don't know how to improve it yet but suggestions are welcome :)

Don, it wouldn't be a problem to do that but as the chat bar is available on all public pages as well, I prefer that everyone be able to moderate it quickly if necessary... I'll update it so that the posts be deleted when at least 2 or 3 persons click the arrows, then we will see...


Michael Aigner    (2010-09-02 21:05:44)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Hello Thibault,
I saw you are still looking for a replacement in this tourny. If it is Ok for you and the other participant I would be happy to join the group.

Michael


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-03 00:14:50)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Hi Michael, you're in... Have nice games!


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-09-03 21:14:40)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Hoping for a replacement of SM 6 sooner or later also.

No hurries of course. :)


Garvin Gray    (2010-09-03 21:18:15)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Sebi,

Are you talking about replacing Voyna Alexandr?

I have already said I am keen and did email Thibault.


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-09-03 21:27:54)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

Yes Garvin sorry for being not too precise. The guy hasn't made a move at all in these games.

Looking forward to maybe have a game with you again!


Scott Nichols    (2010-09-05 23:33:10)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

What is the time limit for replacing players? I have already finished all but one game in Rapid_SM__00006. It wouldn't seem right to add a player at this late stage.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-06 23:44:35)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6

I agree, a late replacement is not a perfect solution... but there is probably no perfect solution in that particular case :/


Josef Riha    (2010-09-08 18:03:34)
Magnus Carlsen vs. The World

At rwcc.g-star.com you can sign in and play as a member of the worldteam against Magnus Carlsen. Startdate is September 10th.
The team is supported by GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, GM Hikaru Nakamura and GM Judit Polgar.


Garvin Gray    (2010-09-11 19:03:18)
Next freestyle tournament

Hello all,

From just seeing a couple of comments in the chat section, I am very concerned regarding plans for the next freestyle tournament.

It seems like it is going to be organised at short notice ie just one or two weeks notice.

I think this is a major mistake and would result only in those who happen to be available by coincidence being able to play.

I really do hope I have wrong. I think the next freestyle tournament needs at least one months notice so it can be properly promoted.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-11 20:25:34)
Next freestyle tournament

Hi Garvin, it will be the case... I was not sure about september week-ends and finally I shouldn't be able to organize it before October 16-17 which looks like a good time...

If anyone finds a good reason not to do it on October 16-17, please send me an email... I should announce the definitive choice in a few days.


Hannes Rada    (2010-09-14 19:30:55)
Time control in GM 2 Tournament

Thibault, what happened with the time control in this tournament ?
Since the replacement there, we have only 30 days i.o. 40 days per 10 moves against Michael Aigner ??
Is this correct ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-14 21:44:12)
Time control in GM 2 Tournament

Ah, it had to happen :) I made a mistake when I made the replacement with 30 days instead of 40... I've now corrected the games by adding 10 days to Michael and his opponents. Thanks !


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-16 13:01:23)
Chess WCH knockout final #6

Alberto Gueci beats Peter Schuster 7.5-0.5 in their match in FICGS__CHESS__WCH_KNOCKOUT_FINAL__000006

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__WCH_KNOCKOUT_FINAL__000006

As this is a general forfeit at the end, according to the rule 11.6 it seems to me that all games should be rated for the winner except Game 45571 where the advantage is not obvious.

The score looks severe but Peter's play is always interesting & risky (look at game 45574)...

Alberto's future rating is now 2620, congrats you're the man to catch now :)


Wilhelm Schuett    (2010-09-16 21:38:42)
GO: Game 32800

http://senseis.xmp.net/ seems to be a kind of gopedia :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-17 00:29:38)
Svante Carl von Erichsen on Go WCH #4

As you probably read in the news, Svante Carl von Erichsen won the 4th FICGS Go WCH, beating his challenger Huayong Yang 3-2, Svante Carl wins the Go championship for the 4th time in a row!

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000004

Svante Carl kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his match & computer Go:

FICGS - Hello Svante Carl, congratulations once again for winning this match against a surprising challenger who started here a few months ago with a 10 kyu rank, Huayong Yang, now rated 2438 after scoring 2 points in your 5 games match (which is a great achievement for sure). What did you think about his play & yours in these games?

Svante Carl - I think that he greatly underestimated his rank initially. As far as I know, he had not played for a long time and believed that his ability had therefore deteriorated. I do not think that you can drop more than one or at most two stones, though -- it is like cycling or swimming, you never unlearn it. I had the impression that we were quite evenly matched in summa, but our strengths are in different aspects of the game; I cannot really put my finger on the difference, though.

FICGS - After a previous win, you said that you spend a quite long time to analyze, which probably helps you to reach a higher level than 2 dan (your EGF rating) compared to OTB play... It looks obvious to me that correspondence chess moves generally ask for much more time than Go moves at a high level but I may be wrong, how much time did you spend on your longest analysis during the match? Do you remember for which move?

Svante Carl - I usually spend at least a few minutes on each move, except when the continuation is obvious. I often use more, and if I do not find a satisfactory move then, I will even postpone the move to another day, so that I can sleep over it and let my subconcious work on it.

FICGS - Do you watch other games played by your future opponent before starting your match? Do you think that this is really important in preparation like it can be in Correspondence chess?

Svante Carl - I sometimes glance over the games in the championship qualification tournament, but I do not try to prepare this way. I do not think that such preparation has any value in Go, especially in correspondence Go, since you have time during the game to do deep analysis. I usually try to take each game out of standard fuseki patterns pretty quickly, anyway. Of course, I know that my opponents in these title matches are always very tough and demand my utmost respect.

FICGS - Do you still follow the recent developments in computer Go? What do you think about the latest Go engines? How much time do we have yet before the best Go players are caught by computers according to you?

Svante Carl - I have the impression that the currently most promising technology (Monte Carlo/UCT) has the potential to achieve a rank of about 2 or 3 dan (EGF/KGS). I think that the next fundamentally new idea or breakthrough might add 2 stones, to get to 4 or 5 dan. I do not have any idea where it might go from that, but I think that it gets always harder.

What I would find interesting is having more intermediate board sizes. The best bots are almost on par with the best professionals on 9x9 now. I would propose to try to achieve a similar level on 11x11, then 13x13, then 15x15 etc.. Regarding 9x9, I think that the currently predominant komi of 7.5 points is too big, and that this has a negative impact on the experiments because the bots do not play in a balanced environment. It might be worthwhile to introduce the Taiwan rule (last move compensation) to get more fine-grained scores.

FICGS - What programs did you use this year to analyze? (just trying, of course it may be part of your secrets ;))

Svante Carl - It is not a secret. I just use an editor, usually EidoGo or CGoban3, to visualize the variations I imagine.

FICGS - Finally, what thoughts would you like to share on your 5 games, that could help us not to miss the best times or to help us to understand the most complex moves...

Svante Carl - I cannot give a detailed commentary, but I can try to summarize my impressions.

I think that Game 5 was quite balanced until move 21, but I think that the white invasion was a bit ambitious then. Of course, White did not need to die there, but after moves 32-33 I think that Black had a good result anyway (move 32 should go out faster in my opinion; note how E14 helps Black in enclosing White).

In Game 3, I think things got quite difficult for White in the lower left, but I let him take the initiative by backing off at move 35 (I should have simply closed off F10 then). White gained control of the centre as a result, and in the large endgame, I lost too many points there.

In Game 4, I fell behind in the opening through some slow moves (there was some discussion on the Life-in-19x19 forum about this, see the link in the comments of that game). In the endgame, Black then lost some points in the centre, so that I was a bit ahead when the game timed out.

In Game 1, I made some bad decisions on the left side, and never managed to turn things around. I think I was behind by about 5 points in the end.

In Game 2, I think that Black should not have ignored move 24. After I got quite some territory from my moyo and also reduced his top side, I could play it safe.

I look forward to the games with Olivier Drouot that recently started, but I also hope that Yang Huayong will re-enter the championship cycle.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-19 00:17:31)
Corr. Chess Maxims

Our game was already a draw by my first draw offer on move 19. I offered a second draw on move 26 and the third and final draw which you accepted on move 38. You achieved zilch from an opening which has been known as a draw for 100 years. I could have offered a draw on move 4 and most people would accept it in that position.

Sorry but you have to prove your rating should be higher by playing real openings and outplaying the other person in them. Just stating well my rating is higher therefore you are never allowed to offer draws!!! is the most absurd logic I have ever heard.

Your own words on accepting the third draw offer were "You're right, this is a complete draw. Sorry for dragging it out."


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-19 00:57:47)
Corr. Chess Maxims

upon looking through my games I found only one instance where I went overboard on draw offers and my opponent asked me to stop at which point I did (it should also be noted I managed to lose the drawn position in the end though I was playing way too many games at once close 150).

Anyways, I know to some Corr ratings are the end all be all of life but to me they are the most meaningless rating I have. Even my blitz ratings are more meaningful. Because, corr is where I test ideas and see if they work or not. I'm never playing seriously and I really don't care about the results hence you see me in way more thematics and unrated events than rated events.

But I will say this, the difference in strength between a 1800 and 2100 is almost zilch. OTB that difference is HUGE. Corr it is meaningless. 80 pts? This difference is less zilch, you might as well be the same rating. So when you talk about "the right" to offer draws based on rating, I have to laugh at you. These are certainly unacceptable "maxims" and if you want maxims to be followed they have to be acceptable otherwise they will simply be ignored.

I played OTB two weekends ago against a player who outrated me by 400 pts. I was crushing him. In his lost position, he offered me 7! Draws. After I beat him, several players came up to me stated I should have called the TD over the repeated draw offers. Being a TD myself, I replied the ambiguity of the situation. It is his RIGHT to offer those draws. I was by no means forced to accept them (and did not). But there is a gray area in the rules that repeated draw offers (in the rule book it says LITERALLY every single move for 10 moves) the td could rule as distraction and issue nothing more than a warning. A second offense also the punishment is only a warning. ONLY on a third offense can the td actually do anything punitive.

So the real answer is, if you don't want a draw. Turn it down. If you don't want to be offered two draws, tell your opponent so. Each person is different and views their scenarios differently. But trying to make up a rule that no one will follow is beyond silly. I will offer a draw to someone whether they are 1000 pts above or below me if I think the position is drawn.


Paul Valle    (2010-09-19 01:13:11)
Alchemy

Thanks Mr. Munoz.

That tip was much appreciated. "An apple a day makes 365 apples are a year". That's straight in on my top 10 list!


I will add my own quote:

"A major breakthrough in Alchemy! I've turned Gold into Led!"
(After losing a winning position)

kind regards, Paul


Paul Valle    (2010-09-19 01:36:36)
Suggestion

Something that I do:

If I suddenly realize that I'm lost to a tactical mating attack, I will play the position out till the bitter end.

You might say that I'm just wasting both mine and my opponents time, but I disagree. If your opponent has outplayed you, and you are mate in 5-10 moves to a tactical beauty... then in my book the honorable thing is to play it out. You owe it to the game and your opponent.

I'm not talking about K+Q vs. K, but about positions that could be given as a mating problem. By playing it out you also etch into your head.


kind regards, Paul


Scott Nichols    (2010-09-19 01:45:45)
Corr. Chess Maxims

I remember that game now, it did end in a draw. And you are right about what I said at the end. But I also remember the repeated draw offers that were rejected each time. You were Black, lower rated and we were barely out of the opening, so it was a distraction. I play OTB chess also and believe me, continued rejected draw offers would get that person a loss for that game. A person shouldn't have to ask someone to please quit doing something irritating, most people get subtle hints. Also, I disagree about "telling a person so", that should be done by the TD or Webmaster. That could be another maxim. "in case of any disagreements, please consult TD."

A "maxim" is just a suggestion, not a "rule". So people, especially newcomers, can know what IS and IS NOT proper during the course of a game.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-19 22:34:47)
Corr. Chess Maxims

The more you talk Scott the less you make sense. You should just stop. Your idea for Corr Maxims is good and your #1 Maxim makes sense. The fact that #2 & #3 don't just means you made a mistake. Everyone makes mistake. But okay on to your rambling points.

What does Obama or IL have to do with anything? I don't even get it.

Hmm bad analogy time, okay yes talking on your cell phone in a theater gets you kicked out. At small establishments even just banned. Certainly not a right nor is it proclaimed as such anywhere. It is not "protected" and is well known to be improper. Unlike offering a draw being 80 pts lower has no negative connotation anywhere. Its not illegal. It is protected by the rules. It is not known to be improper. Incorrect analogy.

Driving slow in the fast lane. Highways actually have minimum speed limits and I have seen people get tickets for going below the minimum. On top of that, most states have laws about he fast lane being for passing purposes so they have rules about "slower" traffic keep right (state dependent). So not only is it again something protected by law, it is improper, it can be illegal (state dependent). So again an incorrect analogy.

As much as you wish to live in this strange world where you have to be a higher rated to offer draws, thats not how the rules of chess work. In fact, I would quit playing chess if things did work that way (because it makes no sense). I know people that have as their personal rule not to accept draws if they are the higher rated (fine, thats silly but your choice) (and it always backfires too since they usually end up losing the trying position so badly trying to win it as the "higher" rated should). But at least in the end the rules are preserved - my right to offer a draw was not revoked. You seem to be missing the point that at move 1, ONE player would always be at a disadvantage under your system of only the higher rated being allowed to offer draws. This is quite silly because as all chess players know - no rating system is perfect. Trying to tell someone that a 1989 is 100% better than a 1988 is impossible yet you willing to deny the 1988 his rights of offering draws when he plays that person 1 pt above him? You might just be better off declaring you don't accept draws (I know players like that too). But then you might see people head towards drawish positions knowing your policy and playing them for 200 moves until you're bored. You starting to see the point yet? Whatever system you concoct, there are tradeoffs. The one you proposes has tradeoffs that make no sense for anyone.


Scott Nichols    (2010-09-19 23:26:52)
Corr. Chess Maxims

Of course you don't get it, and by this point I am sure you never will. In the analogies, we all have met "these" type of people. Sometimes they get punished, sometimes not. I think anyone playing in your tournaments could get away with most anything.

AGAIN, in my system as you call it, it is just a GENERAL rule of conduct. Of course players rated 1 point apart do not fall into this category. The main point I make is that most players take their rating seriously. Players work their whole life to achieve a Master or Grandmaster title. They are titles awarded players as a token of respect for their accomplishment from their peers. Maybe we aren't IM's or GM's, but our rating has been EARNED.

So for one player who is a good deal lower rated than the other to offer a draw, especially in the early part of the game, is showing a lack of respect for what that person has accomplished. If fact one draw offer is not bad at all, no matter what, it happens, but to keep at it again and again is bad form.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-19 23:45:16)
Corr. Chess Maxims

Yep, I'm afraid you're a lost cause. No players cannot get away with whatever they want in tournaments read the rulebook dude. You are rating crazy. Do you not realize that for a person to improve they have to be playing beyond their rating? Ratings represent past performance. You need to judge a position based on its features not the person's playing its rating. Many positions reach draw positions early in the game as ours did when people play unambitiously. But I give up trying to convince you of your illogical ways.

Just know this: it is irrelevant whether you use the right to offer draw but it is important that you have it so your point is mute here as well.

A funny incident also happened a few weeks ago: two players kept offering each other draws every 2 moves, declining their opponent's draw then offering it themselves two moves later. It was funny because it was perpetual check and they both knew it. But everytime they offered a draw, the other one would decide maybe he'll mess up. Turn it down and offer it again about 2-3 moves later. By the end of the game each player had offered the other over 15 draws in the perpetual check scenario but the game managed to end decisively strangely.

And btw, your definition of respect and others will different. I certainly don't respect someone cause they've had more time than me to study and made a 2001 rating. I already explained I have no respect for Corr ratings whatsoever. I have also explained my rating does not represent my strength because I do not take it seriously. Do I respect people that have made a career of this? Of course. But I digress because here opinions will vary wildly and be to each their own. We have left the realm of facts. I just think it amusing to always remember that however good you are, there is always some one better. Or put even better, if you could buy a man for what he is actually worth and sell him for he thinks he's worth there would always be a huge profit. Ie there is always arrogance involved when you include ratings. A fun quote to conclude on: "First-class players lose to second-class players because second-class players sometimes play a first-class game." - Siegbert Tarrasch


Scott Nichols    (2010-09-20 00:34:24)
Corr. Chess Maxims

I knew you'd keep it going. You can't tell a bullhead like you or Obama anything. I know the reason you don't care about ratings is the same reason every loser says after he's lost again. "Well, I don't care about that anyway."

You haven't proven anything except that you seem to want to have the last word in any discussion. See you STILL can't seem to grasp the fact that a maxim is NOT a rule. If you can scroll back up to the top you will see that maxim #2. says "Generally one offer of a draw is enough for at least 10 moves" In your first post you already got it wrong by saying, "And a draw can only be offered every 10 moves." So the only thing you've proven is that you can't read and can't understand English. Here is another maxim.."Always check who the TD is before you enter any tournament."


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-20 01:22:07)
Corr. Chess Maxims

Haha you're psycho, you call me the bull head yet you're the one who has managed to make 7! posts without a single point. All insults. Obama this Obama that. What the f does Obama have to do with anything? You brought up and you keep bringing him up for god knows what reason.

Your lack of logic is astounding. You admit 1 rating point is enough that the lower rated should still be allowed to offer a draw but not at 80pts. What about 2 pts can he offer a draw here or is it still illegal? Where do you draw the line? Can't you see how stupid this is? You know ratings are considered on 200 pt bands right and anything within 200pts is always considered comparable skill levels hence why terms such as Class B( 1600 1799) and Class A 1800 (1999) developed in the first place. Guess what, 80 pts is less than 200 so its the same skill band hence why they were in the same tournament in the first place.

I know exactly what a maxim is and what a rule is. I know the damn difference. You seem to not understand that your proposition is not acceptable as either. In no circumstance should rating ever matter when a player is thinking about whether he/she wants to offer a draw. It is irrelevant as I've proved to you time and time again.

I do care about my OTB rating yes because I try my hardest there when I have time. But my corr rating nope. Its meaningless. I've given draws in winning positions many times because I don't care. What you describe is utter insanity (must be your philosophy). You realize whether your 2084 or 2240 or 2300 or 2400 you're just a fish right? Trying to brag like its an accomplishment is a joke beyond all measure. There is ALWAYS someone better. As IM William Hartson aptly put it, "playing chess badly is where the growth is."

And don't worry you don't have to check for my tournaments as TD because I wouldn't permit you in my tournament anyways. I don't want known trouble makers.

oh well: " If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong."


Don Groves    (2010-09-23 01:17:24)
Quote festival, part 6

"The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.” -- Voltaire

Who decides who has reason and who doesn't? And why is it that so many who claim to have it *cannot* seem to get along with those they claim don't have it?

Reason without wisdom is just a fool trying to prove the unprovable.


William Taylor    (2010-09-23 01:42:30)
Road to Grandmaster

Hello FICGS friends,

On the 1st of September I started a chess website - http://roadtograndmaster.com - which documents my attempt to become a GM (otb). The first post and 'mission statement' can be read here: http://roadtograndmaster.com/?p=11

Of course I realise the goal is extremely ambitious, but I'm going to give it a shot. :) I probably won't be playing much serious correspondence chess for a while, as I'll be focusing on OTB games, but I'll still be keeping a few games of one sort or another running here. Comments/suggestions about the site or the goal are welcome.

Will


Don Groves    (2010-09-23 07:57:36)
Quote festival, part 6

If I was "attacking" anything it's the idea that reason is the greatest human achievement. There are a great many important things in life that are unreasonable.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-23 07:59:05)
Quote festival, part 6

Then I apologize.

I like the Voltaire quote but like most things Voltaire says, I think its dripping with sardonic flavor (if you have read Candide). The problem in my mind is that reason comes and goes with all people. No one seems to always possess reason or common sense. The problem philosophically speaking can be addressed in any number of ways. Skeptically, you can ask if one could EVER claim to have reason. Etymologically, as you have done, one can pose the question of whether you can ever have reason. And the third problem, which consequently solves the 2nd problem, is linguistically. Here, you might look to someone like Wittgenstein who would ask the question of whether you need to specifically define the concept. Can you leave the concept open ended where it merely attempts to address a relative issue we can all pretend to agree on. In this case, you will notice that this is how language actually operates except when people like to get overly serious or detail oriented.

For example, if someone says "that is reasonable" you would know what they MEANT whether you agreed with them or not. It does not need to be laboriously defined that said action, thought or word was in fact the exact embodiment of "reason."


Don Groves    (2010-09-23 08:07:10)
Quote festival, part 6

Seems like we agree then. There are things that can be reasoned about and there are other things that cannot. Part of wisdom is knowing which is which. And, as Wittgenstein said, that which we cannot reason about we should not speak of at all -- at least in a reasonable way. That's what metaphor, paradox, and parable are for. We may not be able to define certain things rationally, but we can hint at them.


William Taylor    (2010-09-24 01:44:55)
Road to Grandmaster

Thanks for the encouragement, and I'll keep you updated. Don: if there are regular team tournaments I hope I will still be a Dark Knight if/when I make GM. ;)


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-09-24 03:54:46)
whole database transfers made simple

This has always been a sore spot for me on FICGS. I want to be able to copy my ficgs database of games to Rybka. I have gotten help from nice folks here, but I am unable to do it. There just does not seem to be the right tools at each step or understanding to do it.

I would be satisfied if a step by step procedure is posted that entails each click of the mouse with out vague procedure statements.


Scott Nichols    (2010-09-24 15:02:59)
Quote festival, part 6

"Always forgive your enemies, nothing annoys them so much." (Oscar Wilde)


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-09-26 20:46:49)
whole database transfers made simple

Is this what your talking about ?


How to import my Chess games in a chess database ?

There are several ways to import your chess games played at FICGS in a chess database like Chessbase or SCID. 1) You may download the complete FICGS correspondence chess database: Click "Search games" in the menu, right click & save "All games (PGN)". Import the file in your database, then you may filter the games by using your name. 2) You may create a PGN file by going to "My games" (please use the chess filter, click the rook icon if you also play Go or Poker, you may also select pending, running or all games) then clicking the printer icon. You just have to copy/paste the content of the new page into a new text file, then importing it in your chess database. 3) You may download the PGN file of a particular game or tournament, right click and save the "download" link at the bottom of

Do you mean "left mouse click" if I right click I get Link copy options, none of which seem to do what I want. I do not see a way to save "all games pgn" in any case which is what has stopped me for days. Left mouse click copies all database to where i want to open, Ie scid (which I cannot figure out either), notebad, but i see no filtering capability in notepad. So I do not know how/able to do "Import the file in my database" as your instructions say, sorry Thib, I am a pain in the butt. can you clear these things up for me ? especially your step 1.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-09-27 01:52:53)
whole database transfers made simple

Sorry Wayne, maybe your operating system is slightly different, how do you usually save the content (web page or whatever) pointed by a hyperlink?

As for databases (notepad is not a chess database), there usually is a function to import a PGN file in a chess database.

Well, I do not use the Rybka GUI, so I may be not able to give the best answer :/


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-09-27 02:32:45)
whole database transfers made simple

Gosh, it gets more troubling. I just click on it and it executes the line. I dunno what else to say. I have no know problem with this in the past. What does it say when you right click on it ? My right click brings up several link options ?......I am using Bing ! if that helps. and windows 64 deluxe. Can you just provide a simple transfer link to rybka tablebase ?
wayne


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-27 21:38:34)
Quote festival, part 6

"The beginning is the most important part of the work" - Plato
"Nothing is more unpleasant than virtuous person with a mean mind" Walter Bagehot
"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept trying when there seemed to be no hope at all." - Dale Carnegie
"Necessity never made a good bargain" Benjamin Franklin
"Good People are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know" William Saroyan
"In the absence of clearly defined goals, we become strangely loyal to performing daily trivia until ultimately we become enslaved by it." - Robert Heinlein
"A satirist is a man who discovers unpleasant things about himself and then says them about other people." Peter McArthur


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-29 23:39:50)
WCH Stage 1 Tiebreaks

If I understand the tiebreaks correctly the higher rated based on entry rating goes on. If this is tied it goes to their current rating at the time the tie is concluded.

First question, is this correct?
2nd question, why are ratings the tiebreaker?

Final question, why is entry rating first over rating at the time concluded? Is this because someone could drag out a game knowing their rating will become higher in the next period? If that is the reason, it would seem to me you couldn't use current rating even if the entry ratings were tied.

It just seems a tad silly to use rating as a tiebreaker when there might be a 1-20 point difference. If its a large difference it makes some sense but even then little.


Jonathan Gresham    (2013-10-12 23:24:13)
Communism

I've been reading about Communism and have concluded that I agree with a lot of the points that the book brings up in favor of it. The working class would overthrow the middle or rich class and thus establishing a one class system. The only thing that would have to be sacrificed would be freedom of speech but when it comes down to it freedom of speech can be sacrificed justly. In exchange for that you would get free education, healthcare etc. Things would be communal being that you would work within communities and share the wealth. This kind of idea has been put forward before and has failed but I believe that with the right leader it is possible.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-09-30 18:34:16)
WCH Stage 1 Tiebreaks

so what you're saying is that in the event of a tie that the tie might not need to be broken as the two of them might proceed?


Garvin Gray    (2010-09-30 20:37:21)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

I wish to propose that the stage one groups starting from the next WCH tournament be paired differently.

Currently, from my understanding, all the players who have not qualified for the high rated round robins or elimination matches are paired into separate round robins of about seven players in each group.

Seed number 1 is in group 1 and so forth until all groups have been allocated.

The idea of this being to try and ensure that each of the groups is of equal strength.

Where I think this falls down is the issue of players with provisional ratings ie players with new ratings of 1800, 1500.

I have had the experience of having one or more of these 1800's in my group and after the group is finished, it is clear that the 1800 player has achieved a rating of 2100 plus, meaning that my group had three players with playing ability over 2100, meaning my qual group was unfairly disadvantaged.

How I would like the stage one qualifying to work from now is:

1) All players with recognised ratings are paired as per normal.
2) All the provisional rated players are put into groups by themselves.

Then normal qualification rules apply for getting to stage 2.

It is highly unlikely that a low rated player will qualify from the provisional rated groups as someone from each of those groups will be about 2100 or so by the end of the first qualifying stage.

I do ask for this to be endorsed for the next WCH.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-01 01:42:40)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Hi Daniel, maybe it would be more fair to reverse the colors (seed 1 plays black against seed 2 and so on)... I'm not sure if it is better but we can think about it. The color is not a good tiebreak IMO, does anyone else have an opinion on this?

Hi Garvin : "2) All the provisional rated players are put into groups by themselves." , you mean they play together in special groups? We can think about it as well but one goal of the championship was to help those players to find their place quicker in the rating list before the next cycles. I'm not sure if a 2300 player provisionnaly rated 1800 is an advantage for anyone else in the group more than seed 1.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-01 13:21:12)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Colour allocation- There are two answers to this, the most pure solution is to have double round robin groups. If this means six player groups and more groups in total, so be it, but at least it would solve the issue.

Berger Pairing Tables- It seems that the round robin groups are not paired using the Berger Pairing Tables for single round robins, why not?

If they are not, then they should be, solves all these issues of colours. This should be the case for all round robins on this site.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-01 13:30:27)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

GG- "2) All the provisional rated players are put into groups by themselves." ,

TB- You mean they play together in special groups?
We can think about it as well but one goal of the championship was to help those players to find their place quicker in the rating list before the next cycles. I'm not sure if a 2300 player provisionnaly rated 1800 is an advantage for anyone else in the group more than seed 1.

GG- It is not an advantage to have an 1800 in your group if they play to a standard of 2100. It is a severe disadvantage.

It means there is one more person in some groups that plays to a rating way above their provisional rating.

I am very concerned that you seem to be putting the needs of increasing those players ratings in the WCH above the integrity of the competition as a whole. It means you are unfairly affecting other players chances of qualifying, just for the sake of allowing new members the chance to gain a few extra rating points.

The new members still have a lot of chances to increase their rating through playing in normal tournaments, which is where the longer term members had to get their ratings from.

I am saying that those with provisional ratings should be seeded into groups by themselves in stage one.

Whoever wins these groups will clearly be about 2100/2200 playing strength and so will not be crushed in stage two anymore than those with long term 2100 ratings.

A secondary option is to seed some of these players using their advanced rating (if they have one), so at least then there does not end up being three or four 2100's trying to qualify from the same group, while having other groups with only one or two 2100's.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-01 17:51:59)
On colour allocation

On colour allocations, there was numerous discussions on this topic during the 1st year of the server. Well, I cannot remember exactly all my arguments, but briefly 1) Double round-robin is too much effort for the players while it does not eliminate totally the chancy factor. 2) On Berger, the whole FICGS WCH idea is to give more importance to the non-WCH tournaments, the very best player must be champion IMO, not only the winner of a few tournaments, that's why ratings are so important in the tie breaks (and that's why my first idea was to give White to the top seed in round robin groups)!

Less games for everyone per cycle + More cycles = More chances to find the real champion (and more fun :)) !


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-02 00:03:55)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

The number of players in each round must be coherent (round 3 : 5 to 9, round 2 : 5 to 9 x 5 to 9, round 1 : 5 to 9 x 5 to 9 x 5 to 9) ... if things are easier for players rated 2000-2300 during the first round, it will be harder for them later (e.g. 1 player qualified in a group of 11 players!).

But it is true by experience that the rating limit for the M group may be below 2300 (by the way it was for the last championship)

I'm against such a rule "All players over 2000 with at least 50 ficgs games played should be seeded into round 2", a bit complicated IMO, and players rated 2250-2400 will have the same kind of complaining then :)


Scott Nichols    (2010-10-02 21:45:32)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

I'm sorry Daniel, but it still doesn't seem to be any clearer...


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-04 19:17:37)
Private messages to the webmaster

Hi all, it looks like one of my email providers blocks FICGS emails these days so I may have missed a few messages if you sent it to me via the "My messages" form (to "Thibault de Vassal"), that's now fixed, if you noticed I did not reply to your message, please resend it to me.

Sorry about that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-05 13:09:20)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Hi Garvin, to continue on your original point, I don't think that a player provisionally rated 1800 in a WCH group is a real problem: It is not a significant advantage for anyone in the tournament (the chancy factor always exists in 7 players tournaments anyway), there is a rule [for ~2 years now] that prevents high rated players to lose many points in case of a loss or draw against such a 1800 player who is actually worth 2300 or more (there are other occasions to get free points btw e.g. general forfeits), and WCH groups help these players to find their real rating quicker. As I said the number of cycles is the point, giving more chances to everyone.

But it is true that the colors (top seed playing White against seed 2) may be reversed, so far the idea was "the rating does count to give more chances to the best player to become champion" but maybe the advantage is too big. It still needs to be discussed though.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-05 13:36:15)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Thibault,

You have missed my original point. I am saying that having a 1800 player in your group can be a DISADVANTAGE.

In none of my postings on this topic have I mentioned anything about ratings, except to express a lot of concern that you seem more concern about using the WCH tournament to improve ratings than to try and qualify the best player from each group and to have each of the groups of as close to equal standard as possible.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-05 14:21:22)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

If it is a disadvantage, it should be consequently an advantage for someone else, I meant this way... So your point is that it is a disadvantage "in the tournament", right? I do not agree with this, if the best player was actually this 1800 player, he should be able to play the championship anyway (and you have the advantage of ratings there for tiebreaks)... If players with a provisional rating play together in special wch groups, the winners (probably still under-rated) will play stage 2 and we'll have the same problem then IMO.

Do other players have an opinion or similar arguments on this point?


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-05 16:31:02)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Thibault, I am more than happy to let others give their opinions, but I really do not think you understand at all what point I am trying to make.

This is now three times that you have misunderstood what I am trying to say.

Geez I wish we could quote better in these forums. It would make discussing points much easier.

Thib: So your point is that it is a disadvantage "in the tournament", right? I do not agree with this, if the best player was actually this 1800 player, he should be able to play the championship anyway (and you have the advantage of ratings there for tiebreaks)...

GG- I am not arguing at all that the 1800's should not be able to play in the championship. Please stop mis-quoting me. I have also stated this previously. I am stating that they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves.

The disadvantage is with how the groups are paired and I finding it very difficult to not get completely pissed off with having to explain items many times for you to understand what I am trying to say.

You keep failing to respond directly to my points and I keep having to point out how you have mis-quoted my points, which does not help in the debate at all.

The groups are currently paired in the first stage with the highest rated player in Group 1, second highest rated player in Group 2, third highest rated player in Group 3 and so forth for eleven groups (in this example there are eleven groups). Then the 12th highest rated player is placed in Group 11, the thirteen highest rated player in Group 10 and back we go to the 22nd highest rated player in Group 1. The pattern keeps repeating back and forth until all players in stage one have been allocated to a Group.

Now with the 1800's being seeded in these groups with their 1800 rating is that they end up being about the 4th or 5th seed in some groups, but are not allocated to each group.

Now when some of these 1800 players start performing at a rating of 2100, it means in some groups that the top seeds have received three players of similar playing level and some other groups have not. This makes some of the groups disproportionately unfair.

If these 1800 players were somehow seeded accurately according to their playing standard, meaning they entered stage one in their proper seeding position, it would push all the rest of the players down one spot and so the Group allocations would be fairer.

Another option could also be to make it a rule that players must have a proper rating ie not provisional, before being able to play in the championship. I have tried to avoid suggesting this with my proposal to have them play in a group all by themselves.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-05 17:09:25)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Aaaaaah... makes me mad :/ Okay, one more time:

GG- I am not arguing at all that the 1800's should not be able to play in the championship. Please stop mis-quoting me. I have also stated this previously. I am stating that they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves.

Thib- I just said "if players with a provisional rating play together in special wch groups", that's the way I (mis-)understood you, so I did not say that you argued that they shouldn't play wch... The thing that is not clear to me is "I am stating that they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves.", so does it mean:

1) Provisionnaly rated players should play in special groups
2) There should be the same number of provisionnaly rated players per group
3) Tie break shouldn't be TER for provisionnaly rated players
4) Provis. rated players should earn their WCH entry, eg. # ended games >50
5) Something else

About cases 1), 3) & 4) I answered it in the discussion that I just re-read entirely.

Sorry for mis-understanding you & thanks for your patience... If I still completely miss it, maybe better would be that another player try to explain me what you mean by "they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves".


Philip Roe    (2010-10-05 17:20:42)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

I think that the management of the WCH should not be too heavily weighted toward ensuring that "the best player" wins. On behalf of the underdogs, I would like us to have at least a sporting chance. If the cards are too much stacked against us the idea of an "open" tournament is lost, and we won't enter.

I looked at the statistics for cycle 000007. The top seed won outright 7 times, and tied for first on 7 other occasions. The second seed won outright twice, and tied first 7 times. The third seed won 5 times and tied twice. The fourth seed won once and tied twice. Out of all the winners, only the the two fourth seeds who tied had provisional 1800 ratings.

Are these numbers really a cause for concern?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-05 19:32:33)
WCH Stage 1 Tiebreaks

"the tiebreaker may NEVER matter" is strange or wrong cause it may matter... but more simply a few players may be invited to play stage 2, according to their results & rating. The same occurs in e.g. IECG championship (until the very last tournament if I remember well).


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-06 08:39:16)
Colour allocation change in WCH round robins

Hi again Garvin, I must say I didn't even know the Berger pairing tables, very interesting to pair 6,8,10,12... players, but maybe not so interesting for 5,7,9,11... as there is a bye.

Anyway, I may try to code it for these cases!

On the original topic, the discussion should continue on the question: Must we reverse the colors in WCH round-robin groups so that Seed #2 play White against Seed #1, as the tiebreak (TER: Tournament Entry Rating) is an advantage for Seed #1 already.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=9097
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=9093

As I explained in the other discussions (you can find some statistics in the first one), the whole idea of the chess championship is to find the best player, and rating is an important element in the process IMO. By the way I'm not sure if such an update would change the results significally.

Reverse or not reverse the colors in WCH groups, we need your opinion on this point!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-07 14:09:49)
Paul König is dead

After that Ingo announced it in the chat, I was waiting for an online source to publish the sad news in the forum... Paul officially left us during the month of september 2010.

www.bien.de/sauerland/index.php?view=article&id=209:schachbezirk-trauert-um-paul-koenig

Many of us played him here at FICGS, at other chess servers or over the board.

My condolences to his family.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-10-08 20:05:47)
Paul König is dead

oh my... I am sorry to hear this! I played Paul many times. He always seemed so nice.


Daniel Parmet    (2010-10-12 01:40:51)
Road to Grandmaster

You know this little blog and chessbase article has sparked a debate on whether people believe in whether its possible for a 1900 21 yearold to ever make GM.

Despite the fact I've constantly said it is. I've been told i'm flat wrong again and again by every person i've talked to. But I don't understand why, Kasparov said Talent is all a matter of time and effort. I don't see why not. The reason kids excel at chess is because they have no responsibilities. They have PURE time and when a kid gets attached to something... their effort is also unwavering.

I have offered the answer that the problems with adults improving is mostly the fact they have too many demands on their time already (work, family, school, other hobbies) or lack proper motivation (getting too easily discouraged or not wanting to work on their weaknesses).

However, I've noticed the naysayers tend to fall into three camps. 1) The camp that says talent is genetic and you can't make up for it regardless of how much you work. 2) People that say 21 is too old, only kids can improve. These people irk me the most. I have only been playing chess for 2 years and I went from 1000 to 1900 in under a year because I spent alot of time on it. I see no reason why any other adult can't do the exact same. Granted 1000 to 1900 is not 1900 to 2500 + 3 norms... but the point remains the same: time and hardwork. I think here multiple studies about the 10,000 hours required to master an activity is relevant. 3) People that are flat out freaking jealous. They know they themselves won't make GM or maybe even IM so they decry anyone else that wants to try.

Anyways, curious what others peoples thoughts are?


Don Groves    (2010-10-12 09:35:00)
Road to Grandmaster

I'm not a naysayer but I do think it takes a certain inborn talent to excel at Chess, quite similar to Math in that respect. Both subjects require the ability to both analyze and generalize at a high level.

If a 21-year-old has those abilities and puts in the work, s/he could become a grandmaster. The biggest problem I see is that s/he is competing against a great many with equal skills who started a lot younger...


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-13 15:20:35)
Lightning time control

Hello Thib,

With the freestyle tournaments having a time control of 30 minutes with 15 second increment, could you change the lightning time control also to 30 + 15 so we can practice at that time control.

Would be appreciated and I think a good practical change.


Scott Nichols    (2010-10-15 19:45:31)
Connected players :

WHILE we are at it, as if you don't have enough to do Thib, I would like an array of happy faces, (emoticons), we could choose from, something more fun than-:) :( :-0 etc. :)


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-10-15 23:37:53)
Serious new Virus

Subj: Confirmed by SNOPES: Important - read immediately



VERY IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ THIS - These e-mails are floating around currently in HP


Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo, Hotmail, AOL and so on. This information arrived this morning, Direct from both Microsoft and Norton Please send it to everybody you know who has Access to the Internet. You may receive an apparently harmless e-mail titled "Here you have it" If you open either file, a message will appear on your screen saying: 'It is too late now, your life is no longer beautiful....'

Subsequently you will LOSE EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC, And the person who originated it will gain access to your Name, e-mail and password. This is a new virus which started to circulate on Saturday afternoon.

AOL has already confirmed the severity, and the anti virus softwares are not capable of destroying it.

The virus has been created by a hacker who calls himself 'life owner'.

PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, And ask them to PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!

THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/hereyouhave.asp


Robert Osborne    (2010-10-16 01:56:50)
Serious new Virus

Wayne... It's a HOAX... these emails go out from time to time about a "New Deadly Virus"

And you help contribute to the Spam Problem by "SEND(ing) A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, And ask them to PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!"

So you do the work of a spam virus for them...


Robert Osborne    (2010-10-16 03:56:45)
Serious new Virus

You are a fantastic guy Wayne... it is an honor and pleasure to be acquainted with you.

And I hope you took no offense at my reply (I see now that is possible) as I was merely describing how that nutty email works (the CAPS part was essentially a "cut & paste" from your above message. My sincere apologies for sounding like it was some sort of accusation. I know you were sincere in your warning. I should have written:

"by sending / forwarding this, we (meaning me too) actually become the "virus engine" by searching our contacts and forwarding it to others."

Somewhat ingenious (certainly devious) as the viral code that would normally do this task would probably be squashed by our anti-virus software.

Again… apologies as I have nothing but respect for you.

Respectfully,
Rob Osborne


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-10-15 23:41:43)
Serious new Virus

I got this warning via a very reliable family member. So I trust it, unless he is duped. Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-16 14:14:48)
Serious new Virus

No problem Wayne :) .. we all appreciate the intention. Not everyone knows that this kind of email is ALWAYS (100.00 %) spam, whoever send it. Now a few people more know...


Simone Calvello    (2010-10-16 14:58:16)
Serious new Virus

Thank you, Wayne!
By the way, I'd like to say that the sender of the message could also be one of your friends, or so on...
There are also some viruses that enter in the PC and send them to other computers, so every message with an attachment not requested should be deleted immediately!


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2010-10-17 05:38:18)
Serious new Virus

Hi all, the database of my antivirus, is updated sometimes twice per week, so, everyday there are new viruses, trojans and derivatives, and many of them will propagate through emails, so, Thibault's advise standas, "do not open files that you did not ask and so on". If you are too curious, run a cdlive linux and open it from there.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-17 08:34:18)
Serious new Virus

I never open emails that do not have a specific subject in that column.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-20 08:42:43)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)

Wow, finally a new post. :)

I am not sure if you have received an advantage by being in a group with other fully rated players.

My premise is that you should have been a group, or groups, with other provisionally rated players, so that those who have worked to get an accurate rating get to try and qualify in roughly even strength groups (in comparison to all the other qualifying groups).

As someone who has shown themselves to be of decent standard, you would have still probably qualified through that group of provisionals and most likely would not be out of your depth in stage 2.

Which again is the whole premise of my position.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-20 12:43:13)
Connected players :

Hello Brian!

This issue was discussed a few months ago, a problem is that players may use this information to play only when their opponents are not connected.

Scott, you mean smilies in the forum?


Scott Nichols    (2010-10-20 20:06:33)
Freestyle Fun

Freestyle tournament is only 11 days away and already it promises to be an exciting event. Hopefully more will join, especially our friend from India, :)

We have an exciting array of players already though...,

Yuriy Perikov-a new player from Russia who has raised his rating almost 100 points in just two games.

David Evans-Last years winner. I am sure he will be looking to repeat. A definite threat.

Uh-Me-I'll be trying, :)

Marcel Jacon-I don't know anything about Marcel, but I'm sure he will be a tough opponent!

Garvin Gray-A longtime player with much experience. He seemed to improve dramatically after his computer went into the "shop" for a week towards the end of our 24 game drawn match. He will have to be watched out for.

Ruben Comes-What can I say? He is a definite favorite in this event. With his powerful openings, middlegame and unerring endings, he will be hard to beat.

Robert Mueller-I don't know Robert, but I hope to one day if I can ever get up to his level. Another strong favorite here. With an 80% win rate against top level competition, how could anybody bet against him!

Jose Moreira-Another strong unknown to me. Very experienced and I am sure a threat.

Thibault de Vassal-Our glorious leader! If his connection can hold out, we all know Thib is as strong as anybody. It would be nice to see him pull this off.

Sebastion Boehme-Don't be fooled by Sebi's relatively low Advanced rating. He is very strong, experienced Freestyle player. Another shaky connection cost him last year. I consider him to be right in with the favorites of this event.

So there it is "so far". Exciting huh?


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-20 21:32:25)
Freestyle Fun

You said it all Scott, thanks for this very nice presentation :) Let's hope that a few of our italian freestylers will try to shake the tournament! The prize increased to 150 Epoints + Entry fees this time, not so much yet but always trying to offer more & more Epoints in all tournaments...

A small word about the connection, I noticed that when http://www.ficgs.com is not available, the internet access providers often let you reach https://ficgs.com , think about it if you encounter such a problem (whenever by the way), just like it happened to Mauro who courageously played half the tournament on a smartphone during the last event, the trick may have helped him :/


Don Groves    (2010-10-21 07:52:52)
Connected players :

During rapid games, won't each player be online all the time unless a connection problem?


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-10-21 16:45:12)
Freestyle Fun

Awesome!!

Very well put Scottie and thanks for those sweet words. I am not certain yet whether to join or not as there are lot many things which need my immediate attention. I never played a freestyle before, this is one aspect which is tempting me a lot. Personally speaking, I want to participate, but for the circumstances.


Hannes Rada    (2010-10-21 22:27:32)
ICCF forum closed

ICCF seems to have some (major ?) problems. At least it's not very democratic to forbid their customer the free speech ....


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-22 10:25:55)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Hi to all the FICGS players! In the last few days there has been in the works a strong tournament on the Rybka Forum. I know that most of you play a lot of games not only here but on others sites. I have been looking into the interest of having a type of World Chess Corr Blitz Championship. With the time controls being 2 to 3 days per move. There will be a time out or some kind of extra time system in place to get you a chance to AN critical positions. As of now there are discussions on the Rybka Forum for a Tournament Format that would be comfort to most of the players who play. I have been talking to the person who does the web design there and would are working out a new sub forum to keep this tournament organized and working a clock system so everyone can keep track of there time. I'm also having a prize fund organized to the top 10 finishers. Not so much for give money to the players, but as more a means to keep all the players interested and not have any problems with aborted games. This tournament will have 3 TD's to help with any problems that may come up. We are planing on having the tournament just after the new year. I have the interested of Wayne Lowrance and Ruben Comes has said he will play. If any are interested in playing in a World Chess Corr. Blitz Championship or if you have any questions or comments. Let know on here or your can leave a message on the rybka forum my user name is "thehug"


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-22 20:56:57)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Hi,

Gary- Thanks for your interest, I do remember to some of your replies to the FICGS vs Rybka Forum match. As you are a guy who likes some order in the matches. When I make the the pairings for the tournament I will be taking into account of ratings. And will make them fair. There are a couple of people who may not have official rating on the rybka forum, but I have a good idea of there strength :) One of them is actually playing reben a great game in the B90 a variation.

Daniel Parmet- Thanks for your interest I have you down.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-23 02:39:34)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Just after the new year, It will be flexiable as I will give all the players a chance to make it the games. It will be something like a 1 to 1 1/2 week window to get all the players sign in and know what the groups would be. As of now I'm still working on how many games will be played. I will be caping it around 30 people or so give or take a couple. So I will update you on how many games. For rounds Im going to say right now it will 2 rounds as I know most don't want to drag it out to long.(If there is interested I will look into having a semi final, and championship match if people would want it.) The number of games will be flexiable for the FICGS players. As I know most of you have a lot games going on.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-23 04:04:54)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Thanks for your interest Sebi. This is being talked about now. I will send you a link. this will be the post for the discussion about time contorl

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19220

As we speak Dadi Jonsson the person who works on the forum. Is working on the details for a clock system. Not only that but we are going to make it a sub forum by itself so people can find there games easier. Let me know your opinion on here as we are working out all the details so it will be comfortable to all. I will being submitting the 1st proposal shortly. Thanks for your interested!

Jimmy


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-10-24 22:57:48)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Jimmy I am following your progress. I continue my interest in the Tournament. We have discussed my thoughts via PM, but to review here are the things of concern to me. First I do not want to overload my chess obligations in Tournaments I am involved with at FICGS now. I have a hunch that a Start date at or shortly after the year will work out provided it is possible to have no more than one (1) game running at a time.
Other features of interest to a lesser degree are management/monitoring of matches to make sure that excessive time outs are infrequent. A player should not be allowed to go on vacation so to speak during a match. In the event of hardware problems a player should have to live with the timer obligations and not making a unfair match delay.
Player ratings could be considered in pairings. Somewhat like board seeds. Top rated sits at board #1 etc.
I think this can be sorted out easily. Your have excellent inputs from others such as Vytron etc regarding timer details. 2 days/move sounds good to me Jimmy.
So continue your good work, I would be proud to participate god willing.
Wayne


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-25 08:28:18)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Thanks Thibault, My hope is to finish the details within the next 2 weeks. No not a round-robin, because that would simply be to much and to long. So I have gone with Vytron idea of a type of Elimination/Knockout tournament that is currently being discuss. As you are good about getting tournaments formed if you can read the current discussion and give some feedback on here or the rybka forum I would be grateful! It is in the corr chess section on the rybka forum.

Here are some of the key points and some interesting ideas that are being thrown around.

As I know most of the FICGS players play a lot of games so I have made a system that you play a 2 game match per round (One white and One Black). This would usually be a bad idea because of CC high draw rates. But we are thinking of using a unique draw odds system. Thought to many this may sounds a little strange its actually a great idea to inspire fighting chess for both sides. The idea was given by FICGS player Gino Figlio

"The scoring system idea- to draw with white (0.4), draw with black (0.6), win with white (1.0), win with black (1.1), loss with white (-0.1), loss with black (0.0)"

Another thing we are working on is the pairing system. As of now the only idea is to use a swiss pairing system after the first round.

Time Control- Since this is going to be called a "World Blitz Correspondence Chess Championship" The time controls are going to be a little faster than normal corr chess. It will be 48hr per move. But there will be a bluff time in here to help AN critical positions. This is also being debated. Right now we are looking at something between 1 weeks to 2 weeks(168 hours to 336 hours).

I had announce on the Rybka Forum in the last couple of days that a prize fund was being offer. I haven't had all my sources comeback to me yet. But as of know the fund is $1500 USD. It could be more, but I'll make official amount known before the tournament will start. I would say the winners share will be between 500 to 750. It all depends on what info I get back. I'm going to try and make all the prizes reasonable. And try and make it for the top 8 or 10 players. Also the winner will be announced the "World Blitz Correspondence Chess Champion"

I will be trying to finalize the details of the tournament in a quick fashion so I can figure out if the players interested would want to play or not. The tournament will begin just after the new year. It will be flexiable so get all the players in and know who they are playing.

The final details are that we are working hard to make the Rybka Forum really to play this kind of tournament. There is a new sub forum that will be made to help with out the traffic that would be going on with all the games. There is almost plans on getting a clock system work out. As at these time controls that would be critical.

Thanks in advance for any feedback form Thibault de Vassal and any other FICGS player!

Jimmy


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-25 21:16:09)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Well, I still do not understand how a scoring system can exist in a knockout tournament... but let's take an example, what the tournament will look like if you have 16 players? Best is to do a complete simulation.

As I just posted on Rybkaforum, I suggest several double round-robin class tournaments of 5 players with a longer time control (on forums I suggest 10 days + 3 days per move). The whole tournament would be played in 1 round, with less stress for everyone as I really think that 30 days + 1 day/move is the fastest acceptable correspondence chess time control.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2010-10-25 23:43:59)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

I also do not understand scoring system, most probably both games will end in draw, is there a talk about an even faster time control for tiebreakers?


Gino Figlio    (2010-10-26 00:55:48)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

The proposal was based on the assumption that it was a double elimination knockout, meaning you get dropped if you lose 2 games. Since there may be a lot of draws, the new scoring system may allow to drop players with the lower scores after 2 rounds and will give more weight to better results with the black pieces. This is experimental but may stimulate more fighting chess.


Gino Figlio    (2010-10-26 01:17:26)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

not a problem, I'm known for my crazy proposals :)


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-26 18:53:19)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

I am not a fan of the Double Elimination concept for this. Does not mean that I would not participate. But since DE is being used, why not just have it as an open swiss instead?

With an open swiss, those that do not want to continue can just withdraw, instead of being eliminated. Those that want to finish the tournament can keep playing all rounds to enjoy the experience.

A couple of issues with DE that need to be explained further:
1) After round one, are the first round losers seeded to the other half of the draw so they can not meet their first round opponents again till the preliminary final.
2) For the person who gets to the Grand Final without losing a match, do they stil have to be beaten twice to be eliminated ie the winner of the preliminary final has to beat them twice to win the competition.

I have wondered how long an open swiss would actually take in competition like this and would prefer to play in that rather than a DE.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-26 19:27:17)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

An open swiss should be at least 6 rounds long, that's the main problem. I still don't get how this tournament may run, a complete simulation with 16 players would help me, definitely.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-26 19:44:18)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Two more quick announcements.

1.The new forum for the WBCCC-->World Blitz Corr Chess Championship has been made as of last night my time. But has not been up to everyone yet. It will be soon, I'm still talking to my Technical TD about that.

2.I'll be capping the tournament very soon as to keep the numbers reasonable and to have a tournament done in a more timely fashion. I'm going to guess when its all said and done. The finally number will be between 24 to 28 players that will play. I'll being posting a list here shortly


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-27 03:10:37)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Now Thib sees why 6 or so round swiss would not be any longer than Double Elimination :)

Also with the DE format, the player from the winner's side has to wait a full round while the two remaining losers play their preliminary final two games.

In regards to tie breaks from second round onwards, the person who has the better score from previous rounds could have draw odds.

To explain- lets say in round one Player A wins 2-0 and Player B wins 1.5-0.5. In round two Player A and B meet. In this scenario Player A would advance if their match was drawn.

This method of tie break would count no matter what round it was. So in the Grand Final, who ever had scored the most amount of points previously would have draw odds.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-27 03:34:59)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Sorry Kamesh, I didn't know if you was really to play mores games or not after reading your email. I'll put you on the list now.

Also sorry to Peter Marriot who I have on the official list on Rybka Forum :)


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-27 04:58:50)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

I would love to get these two great players to play! It would be helpful that the tournament conditions be clarified. With the kind of money that could be on the line. It maybe of interest to them. But I don't think that would be the most important thing to them. I know Eros has account on the Rybka Forum, but I haven't hear form him on there so I don't know.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-10-28 05:22:18)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

the above url does not seem to work,
Wayne


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-29 11:40:25)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

The tournament format has been decide. It will be a 2 game a round swiss tournament. Now my working on a pairing system as we spoke. I've been told by garvin gray that he is an official FIDE arbiter who has the latest programs to be used on swiss tournaments. I'll keep that in mind going forward. As everyone here has official rating. It will be my job to work something out with the other players on my forum who don't have ratings. This being a Swiss tournament with having a chance to play with both colors. I should be about to just do subjective pairings and be fine. I have a pretty good idea of were the players stand rating wise. I hope everyone is really for an competitive and enjoyable tournament!

Jimmy


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-29 12:38:29)
Freestyle Fun

Great to see you in Kamesh, definitely this tournament will be tough :)

Garvin, good question! Last time I did it regardless... Best is IMO to decide just before the start, if only one player (maybe two, depending who) is not connected, I'll include him in the list. If three players are not online and if I'm not sure they'll play, I'll send an email to them, wait a few minutes more, then we'll start without them. Not so easy to optimize anyway :) Actually that's a good point, I'll probably add that players must be connected before the start of the first round in the freestyle rules.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-29 12:54:10)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

well to keep within a 2 month point I thought of 25 days a side with 10 more days after 40 moves. That seems pretty reasonable even with 2 games with the same person. As a interesting side note Kevin Plant has sent an email to ICCF GM Arno Nickle if he would have any interests in playing in this event. I doubt that there not many people who don't know who this very strong corr player is.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-29 13:56:36)
Freestyle Fun

Well, the connected players issue is for round 1 only, the third round should start at time. When it didn't happen, it was because I had connection problems, as far as I can remember... (but my connection works fine these days)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-29 14:38:24)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

The problem is: Sometimes (Scott knows it), it is possible to play a complete corr. game [more than 60 moves] in about 30 hours! But sometimes it takes 8 months... Believe me, if I chose 30 days + 1 day/move as the fast time control at FICGS, it is because faster was not possible. And that's why there is a WCH cycle every 6 to 8 months, no more.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-29 14:42:27)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Jimmy- I think it is extremely unlikely that any kind of correspondence tournament can finish in one year, unless you have an extremely short time control and are willing to have many games time out. It is just the nature of the beast with players from all over the world.

Also, what Thib means is that a new WCH cycle starts every 8 months, not that the WCH cycle takes 8 months to complete.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-30 21:32:50)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Jimmy, will you apply strict rules during the tournament? What happens if a player suddenly takes 2 days, then 3 days, then 4 days for each move? Will there be a flag applied by the forum software or by the tournament director?

As there may be obvious problems in both cases, I'm really curious to know how you'll handle it. Also will players have a few days of vacation?


Don Groves    (2010-10-31 06:53:58)
Freestyle round 4, careful winter clock!

In the US and Canada Winter time starts at 02:00 Nov. 7th, the first Sunday in November.


Garvin Gray    (2010-10-31 11:13:19)
Freestyle Fun

Ok i am sick of this issue. When I attempt to click on the links provided, or even when I try and open them in a new browser, I keep getting the please login screen. Which means I can not view the link.

This is an issue I am throughly sick of getting.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-31 12:10:44)
Freestyle Fun

"new page with a different looking format", yes that's normal, if you see the crosstable (you may enlarge the window so that it appears perfectly) that's ok.

The problem with the other link is ununderstandable to me :/ looks like your browser does not manage cookies/sessions with several tabs.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-10-31 13:27:35)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Your right Thib, there are going to be some risks in playing in this kind of tournament. I had to think about a lot of things. I would love to do a round robin system as this is probably the most flexible of all of them. By a majority was against it because there would just be to many games to play and not enough time to go around for all of them. I to have a lot of ideas to make a swiss system work. I believe with the input I have gotten back. That all the players that are playing are going to play and if they couldn't that wouldn't play. I know as well as you that in the end there really isn't one system that is 100% prefect. And you just have to make adjustments. Dadi Jonsson is working very hard to get the time system to work 100%. So yes the flag will be in. If not then such a tournament probably couldn't happen.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-31 18:24:57)
Creating an opening book

Well, you may probably enter all your lines in a single game, then use the option that makes a book from it !? (as far as I can remember... definitely I should do it again)

Or maybe you can buy it to Ruben :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-10-31 19:00:19)
Eros Riccio wins the 3rd Freestyle Cup !

Congratulations to Eros Riccio who convincingly won this 3rd Freestyle Cup !!

As for me I'm really happy with this result... I could have lost the last game on time (connection lost just after the draw), and time pressure decided in a lost position vs. Sebi... :/

- The standings :

Place Name Score Berg.

1 Eros Riccio 4.5 - 15.25
2 Thibault de Vassal 4.5 - 14.25
3 Kamesh Nookala 3.5 - 11.5
4 Robert Mueller 3.5 - 10.75
5 Gino Figlio 3.5 - 10.5
6-7 Ruben Comes 3.5 - 8.75
6-7 Yuriy Perikov 3.5 - 8.75
8-9 David Evans 3 - 6.75
8-9 Sebastian Boehme 3 - 6.75
10-11 Richard Bitoon 2.5 - 5.5
10-11 Jai Prakash Singh 2.5 - 5.5
12 Scott Nichols 2.5 - 5.25
13 Garvin Gray 2.5 - 3.5
14 Marcel Jacon 2 - 2.5
15 Xavier Pichelin 1.5 - 3
16 Jose Moreira 1 - 2

(the score is the one shown in the software, it may be not the same in the FICGS tournament page)

Finally we avoided the connection problems (really lucky), this was a really nice event, I would like to thank all players & especially Garvin who was up very late to play!

Lots of fun, definitely... I'll try to organize the 4th edition in about 3 months!


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-10-31 20:00:30)
Eros Riccio wins the 3rd Freestyle Cup !

Also here goes my 50 cents about the tour.

First of all: Thib, very nice tour. Without you we would not have such nice events. FICGS rocks!

Secondly: Congrats to Eros, who made a last minute join and made me think: oh maybe he is out of shape, but you proved the opposite!

Last but not least....am grrrrr about my own performance a bit. I think time management I need to practise a little better next time. ;-)

Many regards,
Sebastian


Sebastian Boehme    (2010-10-31 20:11:04)
Creating an opening book

Hi Garvin,

Book making ia for example in my case always been a very time-intense and manually tuned process. I never do import any outside games to my book.

Guidelines on how to starting out in creating an opening book you can find (or probably have already found), here:
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11798

That site got some useful links

General rule of thumb, work on each system one by one. My favourite example: I as white play 1. e4 and Black replies 1....f5, so the Elephant Gambit arises.

Now I want to find good white moves for it, so I enable in my Book allow move adding and check my Correspondence and Playchess Games database for the replies of white. Also I see what major engines think about the moves offered by the database in say 1-2 minute analysis and what these engines themselves gotta offer. This way a reply to the elephant gambit (or maybe more) for move 2 of white can be found.
Also not in any case 1-2 minute analysis will be sufficient. You need to figure this out for yourself.

The less time intensive process: Create a database where you import games filtered by very well chosen criteria (for instance recent games i.e. 2008-2010). Then import the database games into a new empty book.

That's all I know about how it could be done.

Sebi


Don Groves    (2010-10-31 22:51:32)
Freestyle round 4, careful winter clock!

An easy way to remember which way the clocks go is: 'Spring ahead; Fall back."

It makes sense in English anyway ;-)


Garvin Gray    (2010-11-02 09:25:13)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

The issue is not whether extra time is added after move 30 or 40, that is kinda irrelevant compared to what appears to be a final 15 days after move 30/40. That is the biggest issue and something that needs to be solved before the tournament can go ahead until any reasonable conditions.

Either after move 30/40, there is a re-occuring amount of time just like from move 30 ie 30 moves in 25 days, followed by 30 moves in 25 days repeating, or like we use on here for rapids, 30 moves initial plus 1 move per day increment.

The final time period can not be guillotine for all the reasons previously discussed regarding time zones.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-11-02 09:56:22)
Eros Riccio wins the 3rd Freestyle Cup !

@Jai Prakash: do not be too deceived, we all (or almost) know the connection issues, I lost many bullet games including in freestyle tournaments because of this... the aim is always to organize more freestyle tournaments, so you'll have your full chance early or lately, just like in the WCH cycles (the chancy factor is everywhere)!

@Garvin: let's continue to discuss it, the first tournament was played in 1 hour + 15 sec/move, I feel that the quality of engines improved enough so that the brain can take fully part of the game [less time to navigate into the game, more to understand the position], by the way everyone agrees that the book is more important than to have 64 cores (that was not true a few years ago)... an increment of 20 seconds would be better though, but it is no more 2 hours per game :/ .. in my opinion, if we have players enough like this time, a 7th round (or even a 8th) would bring more benefit than more time to find the best player, and I must say I was quite frustrated not to play a few players during the tour. :) Finally... with 6 rounds only, the best player won, most probably. All opinions are welcome here.


Garvin Gray    (2010-11-02 10:20:43)
Eros Riccio wins the 3rd Freestyle Cup !

With the 30 mins plus 15 secs time control, more rounds on two days becomes problematical.

With a 1300 ficgs starting time, those from the Americas were starting at about 5am and I was starting at 10pm on the second day.

So adding an extra round would mean either play starts early, or goes later.

The only other solution would be to add an extra day and play 9 rounds.

In part, the time zone issue is another reason why I think a longer time control might be better.


Garvin Gray    (2010-11-02 10:28:10)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

At 30 days plus 1 days, I think about 3 months is a fair average.

I am not sure if I am a fast player or not. I do use most of my time across all games, but that does not mean I am looking at all games all the time.

For just a two game match, I would have no issues with 30 days plus 1 day increment and it would not feel fast to me.

14 days plus 2 days per move I think is a better time control for a few reasons.

It will let the organisers know for certain early who will lose their games on time ie two weeks from when the round starts, so decisions about whether to let them continue or kick those players out can be made earlier.

With a 2 day increment, it does give some opportunity for players to analyse for a bit of time in endgames.

If you are wanting to avoid unnecessary delays, the easiest way to it to have rule that as soon as a game reaches a 6 man tablebase position, the result will be declared.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-11-02 10:33:17)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

14 days + 2 days / move is much longer than 30 days + 1 day / move. Maybe 20 days + 1 day / move, or 10 days + 1 day / move could be ok... 1 day increment is the strict min. 10 days initial clock is min as well IMO. So a game could last ~180 days at most = 6 months anyway !

Honestly, maybe you should give up the idea that everyone (eg. me) should be able to play, if you think that most players interested are ready to play a really fast corr. time control, maybe you should do it this way but IMO an increment less than 12 hours may lead to many losses on time.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-11-02 15:37:29)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Your doing a good job Garvin, everyone thought your idea of ending the game at 6 man tablebase positions was great 100%. And you more or less suggested the 2 game a Round Swiss was taken very well to. Maybe I should let you be my TD lol. I think I can let you do my Pairings to if you want. My only question to you is what rating list would be the best to use? As far as the ratings of the Rybka Forum players I'll have to give you my ideal ratings for them.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-11-02 16:33:06)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Nice idea Garvin, (6 man). It means a lot of work for some one to check it. Not all players I think have very many six man, including me (about 30 of em). How would that workout ?
Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-11-02 22:18:30)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

yep, I am aware of both sites. That is not the problem as I see it.
Those sites are good if you have arrived at 6 man positions. The problem occurs far before that during analysis. Example player(a) in deep analysis with his hardware/programs determines that a 6 man tablebase will occur and player (b) with his hardware/program is unable to verify that and thus will object to 6 man ruling as He cannot verify it. Not much time will be saved I am afraid if the game continue until the current position is a 6 man position.
Of course a lot of communication can resolve it for player (b) but that is a big work load for someone. So I am very much in favor of the idea, but do not see clear solution to it.
Wayne


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-11-03 11:47:37)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Yeah you will be helping me with it. I would say that to make things easier just remember you will be my arbiter. I sent you an PM that will explain somethings. I will change the words to make it easier for everyone to understand


Garvin Gray    (2010-11-06 06:19:34)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

Jimmy,

Possible slight change to start date proposal.

I would like to see the competition either start on December 1 (one month earlier), or on about January 14.

The reason for this is to try and reduce the impact of Christmas. If the competition starts on January 1, games could time out without people even knowing that they started due to being on holidays.

Perhaps starting earlier might be helpful as it means the competition starts while there is the current momentum for it.

But middle January is also good as it will give a chance for the new ficgs ratings to be used.

I think it would also be prudent about a week before the start of round one to personally contact all the participants and get them to confirm they are playing. Only those that confirm their participation will be paired for round one.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-11-06 07:30:29)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum

You make a good point about Christmas and even sometimes people do things on the New Year. I have to probably go with the January 14th idea. If only because I would like to give Dadi as much time as he needs to get the clock system to work. By I will leave a line on the Forum and see what people say. As for the give a week to get play to reply. I had already decide on that. I will be so much easily to do it that way. As to have to repair 2 or 3 times.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-11-06 15:08:49)
FREESTYLE CUP POKER

Hi all, yes I was to post something on that topic... I'm not sure if we have poker players enough, but it would be interesting to already know who would play such a "live" poker tournament with about the same format than the chess Freestyle -> 6 games (swiss system) played in 10 mins + 10 seconds per move, one game every 2 hours or so.

Of course the number of moves may vary from ~10 to ~1000, some games may be quite long but it's worth a try anyway :)


Garvin Gray    (2010-11-07 11:23:10)
rybka 4 opening book

Hello all,

I downloaded the Rybka 4 opening book and have had no end of problems trying to make it work.

I have read the rybka forums on adaptors and how to install, but they make about as much sense to me as a foreign language does.

I have contacted chessok and now am in back and forth emails about this topic and my dis-satisfaction with the products.

Is someone able to explain how to get the rybka 4 opening book to work in aquarium and Fritz 12 in really simple language. No coding please.


Robert Mueller    (2010-11-10 19:31:47)
Email notification does not work

Since yesterday I am not receiving Email notifications for my opponent's moves any more. Does anybody else have the same problem?


Scott Nichols    (2010-11-10 20:01:29)
Email notification does not work

Yes, I use Gmail and their Blog says they were down and have it fixed, but mine still isn't working.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-11-11 01:59:17)
Email notification does not work

Ah, that's probably a consequence of the server's release update... I'll fix this tomorrow as soon as possible. Thanks for the report!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-11-11 12:10:47)
Email notification does not work

Finally, after the server restarted it sent all emails at one...... Sorry for the inconvenience :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-11-30 22:32:53)
Improvements to score Go games

To all Go players,

I just made some significant improvements in the Go scorer (the option that enables to score Go games - see symbol "$" below the board in the fast moves mode)

Now the scorer recognizes many unfinished shapes & counts empty lines on the board correctly.

Still it shouldn't be totally trusted in all cases, particularly when some shapes in the center have no clear limits.

Any feedback is welcome. Note: you still have to remove dead groups by yourself.


Thibault Pillon    (2010-12-02 02:03:51)
Improvements to score Go games

Just tried it. It seems to work fine.

Merci!!


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-02 13:38:42)
Improvements to score Go games

New improvement in the scorer... now shapes in the center are also extrapolated, and you can check the extrapolated board below the given result

Finally, it should give quite correct results for most positions, even during the middlegame. (but you still have to remove dead groups)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-06 23:02:56)
Eros Riccio vs Eros Riccio in WCH 5 ?

I saw several wins in a few other matches so I'll look at the whole results of this cycle... I hope we'll not have to change the current system but if necessary we'll discuss it for sure.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-12-06 23:31:19)
Eros Riccio vs Eros Riccio in WCH 5 ?

Well Thib, Although I'm not one to change your system. I guess you will see what these faster time controls are like form my tournament. As I have some of your top players there. It maybe a good measuring stick. Like I had talk about... Its like a longer Freestyle.


Wayne Lowrance    (2010-12-08 01:05:03)
Thib can you make this more clear

Eros seems confused, and for sure I am. is this the quality statement ?

Knockout tournament winner will play round-robin cycle winner in a 8 games candidates final match (stage 4). In case of equality (4-4), the knockout tournament winner is qualified for stage 5 if all games are draw, the round-robin cycle winner if not all games are draw.
Wayne


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-12-08 01:20:40)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?

Its interesting. When I talked to Wayne about playing in this tournament. He said he could play if it was faster controls and the game count was low. I manage to do both. It seems he has played at this time control before.

To me the player with the lowest draw rate will win. And with the format winning with white will be a premium. Of course a long with Wayne. There are some dark horses to. With the elements of both Advance chess and CC play. David Evans and of course Ruben will both have to get some consideration.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-08 09:50:49)
Eros Riccio vs Eros Riccio in WCH 5 ?

Hi Wayne, if you find a better way to say it in the rules, please do not hesitate to suggest! :)

To find the chess WCH rules please follow :

1) Waiting lists -> Chess World Championship
2) Help -> General Rules -> Chess World Championship
3) http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html -> Chess World Championship


Kamesh Nookala    (2010-12-10 18:41:26)
Eros Riccio vs Eros Riccio in WCH 5 ?

Like the heavyweight boxing championship, I throw a challenge to any of the former or current champs to play a game vs. me.....
Ehem Ehem,, sorry out of context... btw, all and any rules always make me sick, so i hate reading them :-p

Hmmmm, who is Eros? any idea?


Patrice Gosteli    (2010-12-13 15:49:25)
Improvements to score Go games

Salut Thibaut.
Je découvre ton site depuis peu, et j'adore.
Le go est pour moi le principal, mais je vais essayer d'apprendre le poker.
Je ne comprends pas '' the fast move mode'' ?
A+


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-13 18:52:48)
Improvements to score Go games

Salut Patrice! Merci, même s'il y a encore beaucoup à faire...

Le mode "fast move" nécessiterait une petite explication dans l'aide, en effet... On a le choix entre envoyer un coup en 1 étape (en visualisant la position finale avec javascript) avec le mode "fast moves" ou en 2 étapes (en visualisant la position finale en HTML uniquement) avec le mode "slow moves".

Si "slow moves" est indiqué dans la page My games, c'est que l'on est en mode "fast moves", mode par défaut pour les nouveaux joueurs. Dans ce mode on peut également envoyer le coup automatiquement (sans avoir à presser le bouton Send) avec l'option "touch move" dans Preferences.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-13 23:14:40)
Chess positions too complex for engines

This topic may last a while but it could be interesting after all.

Why not trying to gather (and discuss) as many chess positions as possible that computers are still unable to solve with the best engines even working during days... It may help us to detect more weak points in the most recent engines.

Okay, I start with these ones:

Schuster-de Vassal : 1-0

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=36895&move=96

Peter played very well in this one but as far as I can remember this position was an easy draw... The plan was to keep the rook on the e column and White cannot progress. I knew that but at this moment, I had to play this move quickly and I made a stupid mistake: I trusted the engine... Rb8+?? 1-0 .. my comp was really a prehistoric one there but I wouldn't be surprised if the recent ones were still not able to avoid to play this Rb8+

The next position is less interesting but quite funny, and it looks like that the newest engines STILL do not understand it... Actually it shows +5.00 or even more while it is an EASY draw for any human player...

Utesch-de Vassal : 1/2-1/2

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=11345

Amazing, what do you think? :)


Hannes Rada    (2010-12-15 21:56:00)
Chess positions too complex for engines

Hi Thibault,
Thank you for the examples.
I do not agree with your position against Peter Schuster. Almost every engine is now playing Qe2 i.o. Tb1 ?
So the engines now 'understand' this position a little bit.
Your position against Wolfgang Utesch is a classical fortress and indeed a bit funny. Here all engines show +5 and Rybka even +6 .... :-)
The 'tragedy' here is not the final position, but the fact the engines would go for such a position in their analysis, as it seems to be a clear win for white. I would file this under typical missing endgame understanding.
I.e. Rybka still does not understand wrong bishop endgames....


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-16 09:54:53)
Preparation in sicilian

Another game I remember, the typical win by preparation (I was absolutely not prepared in this variant yet) in a blitz game - Eros & Alberto made it well with this line during the 1st Freestyle tournament.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=15363

I don't remember what move is the point exactly at a first sight, somewhere around Qxe5 but Black did not expect what kind of endgame will happen after the next 20 moves, btw many are forced but the line may be too long for most engines. The game was lost already, and I'm not sure if engines choose the right way (wouldn't be a trap anymore)...


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-17 20:43:24)
7 players tournament with fee & prize

Ah, good question actually... well now that there is an Epoints prize in several free tournaments, the interest is a bit different.

The prize would be near 100% of the entry fees, so about 70 Epoints for a tournament with a 10 Epoints entry fee. As the rules state that players have to win a tournament/game with an entry fee to cash out a prize in real money, this is the other interest. Well, the main thing is probably always the "stakes" as an excitement after all.


Jimmy Huggins    (2010-12-17 21:06:59)
7 players tournament with fee & prize

By the way Thib I've read a few threads here today about prizes and classes for tournaments. And how you would want to win a tournament to move up in a tournament class or that was the debate. With that thinking, I wonder if that is part of the reason. Why my tourney is as popular as it is. It gives some players of lesser rating a chance to play higher rated players. An as you said in your next line. My tournament will technically not be rated. Even tho ratings will be used for pairing purposes. With the system in place. I believe a lot of the lower rated players will get a chance to play players 200 rating points or higher at some point in the tournament. Anyway thanks for the explanation. Getting excited with less than 2 weeks to go before pairing and 3 weeks after that before the tournament is underway. I've had a couple more names to my list and was happy to hear kam was going to play.


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-18 20:23:28)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

Dear chessfriends, there will be a server change (we'll have a quadcore, so pages will load much faster!) on monday 19th, december.

You may not be able to connect before tuesday 20th, 21th in some cases, depending on DNS servers, so 2 days will be added to all clocks. Thanks for your patience :)


Stephane Legrand    (2010-12-18 20:58:46)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

monday 20th, december ??


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-18 22:59:30)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

Wow... sorry, I meant sunday :/ fixed


Patrice Gosteli    (2010-12-19 12:12:36)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

HEEEEEElp!!!

How many hours do we have to stock adreneline?
(From 12 h. in swiss time.)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-19 13:38:04)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

:) .. a few hours only, I hope. It will depend on the Domain Name Servers updating frequency.


Don Groves    (2010-12-20 04:03:49)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

When I try to connect to the secure server, I get the following error message:

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to www.ficgs.com.

SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.

(Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-20 04:25:59)
Server change (19th, december 2010)

I was working on... it should be ok now :)


Patrice Gosteli    (2010-12-22 14:35:43)
7 players tournament with fee & prize

Hi!
I wonder since my ''initiation'' to your site if a lot of members enter the fee systen. I have belived it was mostly for the poker fans.
I supose you think of a tournament with fee & prize to the big majority of chess players.
What about a GO tournament with same conditions?


William Taylor    (2010-12-24 17:46:51)
Chess Christmas song

Hello everyone,

I have recorded a chess-themed Christmas song about the FIDE President, called 'Kirsan Baby', which you can listen to here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_xYiUEDRPU
I'm not a very good singer, but perhaps it'll make you laugh. Let me know what you think. :)

Will


Thibault de Vassal    (2010-12-29 14:04:23)
WBCCC news

I think it is about the implementation of the Xfcc client protocol at Rybkaforum.


Gino Figlio    (2010-12-30 02:58:07)
WBCCC news

I doubt it will be XFCC based since the rybka forum does not support it as far as I know and the remote playing module will interact with the rybka forum to update the games.
I believe this is similar to the remoteschach.de setup where you have the option to send your moves from your computer via a remote program.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-01-01 23:18:48)
Free tournaments with prizes

Hello Saurav, all explained here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#prize

In a few words, just send an email by specifying the tournaments with entry fee & prize you won you'd like the money prize for.


Peter Unger    (2011-01-03 00:26:00)
Private messages to the webmaster

I cant get to the following tournament - why - the accepted participants have no ELO 2300+
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_SM__000008
(type : rated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)

7 players, 6 game (1 game against each opponent)
entry fee : 0 , prize : 20 (E-Points)
elo : 2300+

POL Broniek, Mariusz Maciej 2106
SVK Gazi, Miroslav 2289
USA Nichols, Scott 2200


George Clement    (2011-01-03 22:59:50)
Rybka forum options box

Wayne, just login to the forum, go to options on the very top line and set what you want.
keoki010


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-01-04 08:00:30)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems

Hi Chess Friends,

Now you can visit my new chess site
http://chessthinkingsystems.blogspot.com/

and suggest me some improvements.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-01-04 22:01:10)
WBCCC Pairings for Round 1 will be here

Hello to everyone, With in the next 12 to 24 hours the pairings for round 1 of the WBCCC will be known. I have a couple of other things to post here as well. 1.I will be running a commentary page here.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19300

I invite all the FICGS players to follow. There fellow FICGS combatants in play and I and a couple of others will be doing live commentary as the games go on. I hope to see you ya there! (Thib, I know you will let your presents be know when you can ;)

The 2nd thing to be noted is the info the new software that is being used. All the info for that is here. Look below on the page and you will see my name with the info on it.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20068;pg=2

Good luck to everyone.

P.S. I will try to remember to use your real name on here. When I post to make it easier to follow for everyone else. I'll try to have an update as games finish to let everyone know what going on.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-01-12 21:10:14)
Edward Kotlyanskiy vs Eros Ricco

That may have been the most beautiful tactical and combative match. I have ever seen, its says a lot since I've followed a lot of Wch matches on different sites.

Both players who have very similar artistic styles of play. Both made a lot of interesting problems for there opponent to solve. In truth one got the feeling the Edward Kotlyanskiy tired to hard at times in the match to beat Eros. But such a statement can be seen as an insult to him. But its not true at all because. Not many will have the resolve to play Eros Ricco that way.

Congrats to both for a match I won't soon forget.


Edward Kotlyanskiy    (2011-01-13 01:29:48)
Eros Riccio is the new FICGS chess champ

I'd like to congratulate Eros on a very well played match. He had a very good match strategy coming into our games where he would try to put as much pressure on me as possible and hope for me to make a mistake. And it worked! A few mental slips on my part and before I knew it, I was lost. Just to re-emphasize what everyone already knows: Eros is undoubtedly one of the best corr players in the world. He deserved to win the championship. I thank him for making the games exciting, although maybe more for him than me :), and I look forward to playing with him again in the future.


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-01-13 07:16:17)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems

A new site on chess Training also

http://chesstrainingsystem.blogspot.com/


Daniel Parmet    (2011-01-14 08:01:36)
Eros Riccio is the new FICGS chess champ

in the case of Riccio winning the challenger match shouldn't the previous Champ get a rematch just so there is a 5th title bout?


Paul Campanella    (2011-01-14 23:50:23)
Eros Riccio is the new FICGS chess champ

I agree with Daniel. Edward should get a rematch against Eros in the next championship.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-01-18 12:17:25)
Go in a french movie : Le hérisson

Few days ago I watched a nice french movie "Le hérisson" (with Josiane Balasko & Togo Igawa) where the game of Go appears, with what it seems to be a real game (taken from where, I have no idea). Nice ad for the game :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-01-18 15:24:39)
Houdini 1.5 leads TCEC comp. chess tourn

Advanced chess "centaur" players should be interested by the following:

A "super" tournament for computers, named TCEC, just started. Premier Division finals started with the participation of the world's top engines.

Tournament format: double round robin

The participants:

1 Houdini 1.5
2 Rybka 4.0
3 Shredder 12.0
4 Stockfish 2.0.1
5 Naum 4.2
6 Ivanhoe B47cB
7 Hiarcs 13.2
8 Critter 0.9

I don't know much on this tournament, actually it may be a CCRL/SSDF system-like but as a tournament (and without rating list?), anyway thus it was able to reach the chess news in Chessdom & Susan Polgar blogspot.

The point is that the supposed "possible" Rybka-clones Ivanhoe & Houdini (both based on Ippolit, just like Firebird) entered the race... and Houdini is leading already, ahead of Rybka.

It is announced that Rybka 4 is playing, does anyone know who's behind this version of Rybka and what is the hardware? Does Vasik Rajlich know about that?

http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2011/01/houdini-15-leads-tcec-computer-super.html

http://www.chessdom.com/news-2011/computer-chess-live-2011

http://www.tcec-chess.org/


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-01-18 21:11:52)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1

With less than 3 hours to go for the WBCCC Round 1 to begin. I will help everyone out here to follow what games they want to follow. Here are all the links for games.

B=Board, this is so you know who is at the top table and so on.

()=There real name on here if its needed.

B1-Wayne Lowerance vs ralunger(Ramil Germanes)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20187

B2-Uly(Vytron) vs Loboestepario(Gino Figlio)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20188

B3-Moz vs deka
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20191

B4-parmetd (Daniel Parmet) vs Sebastian Boehme
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20192

B5-National12 vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20193

B6-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Omprakash
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20194

B7-Mark Eldridge vs Weirwindle
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20195

B8-stepanie vs Ruben Comes
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20196

B9-Balabachi vs jitan
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20197

B10-Natmaku vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E. Plant)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20198

B11-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs Tomski1981
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20199

B12-CumnorChessClub(Kevin E.Plant) vs wight054
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20215

B13-Scott Nichols vs indrajit_sg
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20201

B14-donkasand vs David Evans
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20202

B15-ppipper vs Fulcrm2000
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20203

B16-Anne-Marge vs SchachProfi (Alex)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20204

B17-Kamesh(Kamesh Nookala) vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20225

Everyone plays 2 games in our Swiss style format per round. This is everyone's 2nd game.

B1-deka vs Wayne Lowrance
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20206

B2-Loboestepario(Gino Figilo) vs parmetd(Daniel Parmet)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20207

B3-ralunger(Ramil Germanes) vs Moz
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20208

B4-Sebastian Boehme vs Uly(Vytron)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20209

B5-Weirwindle vs National12
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20210

B6-Omprakash vs stephanie
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20211

B7-SpiderG(Peter Marriott) vs Mark Eldridge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20212

B8-Ruben Comes vs Schachmatt(Matthew O'Berin)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20213

B9-Tomski1981 vs Balabachi
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20214

B10-CumnorChessClub(Kevin E.Plant) vs wight054
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20215

B11-jatin vs keoki010(George Clement)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20217

B12-Sekos vs natmaku
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20219

B13-Fulcrum2000 vs Scott Nichols
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20220

B14-David Evans vs Anne-Marge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20221

B15-TheHug(Jimmy Huggins) vs ppipper
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20222

B16-SchachProfi (Alex) vs donkasand
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20223

B17-indrajit_sg vs Kamesh(Kamesh Nookala)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20224

This should make it easier for everyone to follow the games. Please leave comments for the players. They will would very much like it. I will try to update the forum as games go on and finish.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-01-18 21:32:48)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1

The undertaking of the software was very good! I was ever impressive with not only the Xxcfplay client, but the software being used to post all the moves to the Rybka Forum. Once a move is made it makes it to the threads you see above in just about a minute or less. Considering the time they had I gave them a A++.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-09 20:28:47)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Okay, after another long thinking on the different effects of the possible changes, I think that we should try in a first time the following (something between proposals 2 & 4 plus minor improvements):

"All 2150+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) will play M & N class groups at stage 1. The two players with the highest scores (or TER in case of equality) of the M group will qualify for the round-robin final, while the player with the lowest score (or TER in case of equality) will be eliminated, the others will qualify for stage 2. The winner of the N group will qualify for the round-robin final and at most half the players in the group will qualify for stage 2, the others will be eliminated.

Also the new members declaring to use a chess engine when registering will get a provisional rating of 2000."

Let's see the effects during the next cycle, if things are not ok we'll reconsider the idea to prevent the provisionals to enter the wch waiting list. I don't like complex rules but I like the idea of "progressive" rules. Any argument in another way is always welcome.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-01-30 21:07:31)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH

Eros Riccio kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his win in the 4th FICGS chess WCH, and explained how one particular game influenced another one that he finally won:

- Hi Eros, first of all congratulations for your latest outstanding results at FICGS, you won the Freestyle tournament, now two chess championships in a row... When the privilege of the champion is to defend his title without playing the preliminary tournaments, you are involved in all championship cycles & a few regular tournaments, do you plan to avoid that anyone can even reach the championship final in the future? :-)

Thanks! I must admit that this is really a magic moment for me in chess... if you consider that despite my recent ICCF Grand Master Title, probably I will also soon win my third italian Correspondence Champion Title out of three participations in the Italian Final Tournaments. And now also this huge satisfaction of being the FICGS Champion! I look forward to seeing a new challenger soon, I wonder who he will be, but let me enjoy the next few months for now ;-)

- What are your impressions on the games? Did you have any strategy from the beginning to the end? Finally did it work or was there another factor? (without revealing your secrets, of course :))

The games in the opening were as I expected, all Najdorf Sicilians except one game where I played 1.d4. My goal was to win at least one game, so I tried different aggressive variations as White (6.Bg5, 6.f3, 6.Be3 and 6.h3) with the hope of catching Edward unprepared on at least one of these, but uff, he was very well prepared on each one of them! A curious thing is that my biggest chance of winning happened in a game where I had the Black pieces! So Edward had to take some risks in one of his games where he had Black (the games where he had White were already finished or all very drawish) he was forced to avoid an easy draw he had (the 6.h3 game) and eventually he lost that game. Happy of having reached my goal of winning at least one game, I accepted his draw offer in that other game (6.f3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.Be3 Be7 9.Be2) where I had good winning chances.

- You probably noticed, like many correspondence chess players, that the hardware still fastly improves while chess engines are continuously getting stronger, particularly since that "supposed" clones of Rybka (some may be even stronger than Rybka herself) appeared in the race. Do you think that the rate of draws will be so high soon that it may definitely kill correspondence chess? Do you have any opinion on these new engines?

I think that despite the big improvement of Hardwares and engines, we are still very far (and we will still be in the next 5 years, hopefully) from a situation where all the games will most probably end in a draw. So I think we can enjoy correspondence chess for many more years in the future, even if of course the Draw percentage at the highest levels will be higher and higher.

- I remember that you were surprised to win your match against Alberto in the Candidates Final of the 5th cycle (the reason why you do not even have to defend your title this time), the WCH rules (particularly the co-existence of the round-robin tournament & knockout tournament) are obviously not well understood by all players, what do you think about this system and the tie in 8 games matches? Are there changes you'd like to see in the future?

Yes, I really was! We were both convinced that with all draws, the higher rated player would have won (Alberto was higher rated than me in that match). Anyway it was our fault, as we didn't read the rules carefully. I am not sure what changes could be done in the future... maybe this is anyway the best setup, no new ideas are coming to my mind right now.

- Do you have a few more words for Edward after these nice games? Maybe also for your future opponents? :)

It was a real pleasure for me to play him, not only for the interesting games we played, but also for the friendly chats we had during the exchanges of the moves. I hope to play him again in the future for a rematch.

- Thanks for your answers and congratulations again!

Welcome, and thanks ;-)

_________

It is very interesting to see that a even a player like Eros prefered to minimize the risks (avoiding mouse drops or whatever) as much as possible by accepting a draw in a game where he had winning chances. Correspondence chess is definitely not all about chess, that's probably the lesson.

Also it is reassuring to read that correspondence chess is NOT dead yet, nor soon :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-02 19:50:00)
Update for BigChess & Poker rating rules

Hi all, it was a long time there wasn't any update in rating rules.

First of all, as the number of results at Poker Holdem is quite high, I feel that a change should be tried so that ratings move less fast.

Case of a win (rating > 1999) : New Rating = ((39 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 40
Case of a win (rating < 2000) : New Rating = ((38 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 40

Case of a loss : New Rating = ((39 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 40

As for Big Chess, the ratings deflate because there isn't the same rule than in Poker or Advanced Chess, this is now fixed :

If there's a winner and if his rating is below 2000, his new rating his :

New Rating = ((18 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 20

Otherwise :

New Rating = ((19 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 20

This rule may look strange from a mathematical point of view, but combined to the other rules that provoke deflation, it gives really good results IMHO. Let's see how it works here.


Josef Riha    (2011-02-04 08:21:04)
Creating an Opening book

Click on engine-tab and then enginematch. A dialogue appears. Chose engines you like and don't activate any book. Then click on button Opening DB and chose the one you want. This DB contains only opening moves.
You can create this by entering moves only with few opening moves and save in a DB you want.
For more info click the help-button.


Josef Riha    (2011-02-04 22:37:18)
Creating an Opening book

A little correction: Click on tournament not on enginematch!


George Clement    (2011-02-05 17:03:13)
Segregation of Games on this Server

I think that is an excellent idea Kam. We'll have to see what Tibault thinks I guess.


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-02-05 17:23:36)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems

Hi friends,

Now watch Chess Video "How to break 3000 rating in blitz chess" packed with valuable advices by GM Igor free at

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Kamesh Nookala    (2011-02-06 04:14:32)
Segregation of Games on this Server

Thib,
I will tell why i face the difficulty with my database. I have one single database, which is a collection of games from everywhere, be it Correspondence or be it games from playchess. Then, whenever i download games, i happen to merge them into my main single database. Everytime, i have to run a doubles check.
There is also a funny thing which i noticed. The game file for these games from FICGS is always chess.pgn. I have to create a new DB with crap name (remember: not identical to any name of the DB from which i earlier merged games to my single DB, reason is though the games are different, based on the import database name, the games will be marked doubles) and then merge them to the single DB. Again filtering applies. So, we can help you a bit with ideas to create a collection of games, as I hope everyone deletes the LINE games, which are still underway :)


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2011-02-10 08:45:13)
playchess.com

Anybody plays Advanced Chess on playchess.com? I use the standard interface that comes with my paid membership. But in the Engine Room I can't play such chess because I'm told that I can't taskswitch (otherwise, their anti-cheating mechanism would be triggered, even though it's not human chess at all). For that, I need to buy some ChessBase product like the Fritz interface or ChessBase. Is there any way to legally play Centaur games? Anybody tried doing it on 2 computers: on one to make moves (in the standard playchess.com interface) and on the other to analyze with your favorite engine? Thanks.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-02-12 04:18:32)
WBCCC Round 1 Update

This is the first update for the WBCCC, I guess some of you have been following some of the games there. There have been a lot of interesting games and some surprises a lot the way. As I'm reporting on the FICGS forum I will make most of this about the FICGS side. Here are some results so far and starting at the top boards.

B2 Uly(Vytron) vs Gino Figlio- Gino does a good job of defending a ..2.e6 line of the Sicilian. And both players agree to a draw after 34 moves.

B4 Daniel Parmet vs Sebastian Boehme- This was a Poison Pawn line of the Sicilian. The game ended before it even got out of book. A short draw, I think both people agreed that it was a good result for each player.

B6- Matt O'Brein vs Omprakash- A surprise if only for how short the game was. Matt shows his tactual muscles when his higher rated opponent much of had and oversight in this defense. As 23.g6! h6 24.Bxh6! and it looks like black has burned his bridges in this game.

B8-Stephanie vs Ruben Comes- This maybe the biggest surprise in round at least in terms of the bigger name on the FICGS side. Stephanie what looks to be a prefect opening all of the B90 lines and everyone agrees 32.Bc3! to be a new novelty and a very good one at that. Stephanie went on to grind Ruben down to a lost endgame. I very interesting game that has be to be seen to believe, I guess this going to show, that not all B90 lines lend to draws.

B13-Scott Nichols vs indrajit_sg- This was a long fought draw. When looking at the game early I thought white may have some chance to take advantage of his open g-file. But not a lot materialize later in the endgame(form the engines point of view).

B14-donkasand vs David Evans- David enter into dangerous territory with this B90 line. At move 19 he played ..Rb8 which looks to be a move to get out of book, because the other moves didn't look so good. Credit to David for finding a draw line in this game. Its another game with a look.

Kamesh Nookala vs Jimmy Huggins- What can I say I played an experimental opening and it backfired :) A well played game by Kamesh. Thanks for the chance to have a good fight with you.

Now on the 2nd set of games(Each player has 2 games in each round)

B3 Ramil Germanes vs Moz- Ramil here played a safe line in the B90 form the white side. So this looked like and easy draw.

B4 Sebastian Boehme vs Uly(Vytron)- Vytron plays and interesting side line of the Crao-Kann and play was very shape, but I got the feeling black played to ambitiously and had the worse of the position. He found a good defensive sacrifice and the good was hold to a draw. I think Sebi had winning chances, but I will have to look over the game to come up with an idea on that one. Anyway a great game to look over.

Ruben Comes vs Matthew O'Berin- Maybe the sharpest and most ambitious game in round 1. This goes in the the B97 lines, but Ruben goes for the Qf3 side line and produces a complex position after Rd3. I love this game so much I want to post the link again for everyone to please watch this game and post a comment about it.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20213

B13 Fulcrum2000 vs Scott Nichols- Scott tries his luck to be ambitious and backfires with his Bh4 idea. Even when looking at the game. I was thinking it to be a good idea, but as it turns out. It goes as just losing a tempo. I thought this was one of the more instructive games of the round. I liked the way white played the endgame.

And the last result I have for the round for the FICGS players is

B17-indrajit_sg vs Kamesh Nookala- This was an interesting draw were white plays and early sideline in the Sicilian that tends to be drawish unless black forces the play. Another well played game by both sides.

I just want to say there are a lot of games one should look at. As more results come in on the FICGS side I will posted. In my opinion one should follow Wayne's games I have enjoyed his play so far. He had to comeback some in his wild game with black vs deka, but I get the feeling this game will ended in a draw. I would also follow the underrated Matt O'Berin in games to come. He has proven to be a great player so far.


Scott Nichols    (2011-02-17 00:38:10)
request again tour

Hi Thib, I thought I'd take another stab at this. I would like to request a new tournament format. It would be UNRATED WITH entry fee using E-points. Time control a total of 10 days with NO INCREMENT. Winner gets all the points.

This is working very well at the WBCCC. People use their time more wisely with no increment, instead of always waiting till the end and playing fast using just the increment.

And since it is unrated WITH entry fee, your argument about time losses from before seem irrevelant.

Thanks, Scott.


Kamesh Nookala    (2011-02-17 08:37:45)
request again tour

Dear Scott,
That's a nice suggestion. But its implementation as of now with the WBCCC already underway is something which, at least for me, is a bit stressful. I am not at pc, and cannot be, 24x7. Of course, for people like you and many others, this will be an interesting factor. Thumbs up for such a suggestion!!

In the present scenario, I would highly recommend hosting of Freestyles at regular intervals BUT WITH WIDE PUBLICITY in all possible forums. With the WBCCC Format and given the fact that Freestyle at FICGS finishes in just 2 days or can even be 4 days (two Saturdays and two Sundays depending on the number of rounds we can increase keeping in view the Number of Players), I put my thrust upon another Freestyle event soon. Many can feel comfortable with a freestyle than a 10 days (no increment) battle, where the guys at home can have full advantage of and those at work under constant pressure :)

This is just my opinion :)
PS:: I am, not for a single moment, saying what you suggested is bad. That can help people like you. I believe it is awesome. But, for the present situation at WBCCC


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-17 12:15:42)
request again tour

Stressful, for the least... In my opinion such tournaments are quite inhuman but I'm not sure if I could resist to play it myself :)

Anyway there may be a few points to discuss yet... With the use of the current vacation system, such tournaments may last a few months in the worst case.

I agree with Kamesh that Freestyle tournaments should probably be the priority, by the way I'll open a new thread for the next one soon. Finally the main difference is that round-robin tournaments don't ask any work (or so few) from my own, but I just wonder how many players are ready to play this format.


Scott Nichols    (2011-02-17 15:21:36)
request again tour

Gee, the response is better than I expected. After giving it a little more thought, an increment of maybe 4 to 8 hours could be added to accomodate people with commitments other than Chess, :) It would also take into account connection problems, etc. The E-point entry fee could be varied like the Bronze, Silver and Gold formats. Also, since it is unrated, anybody could enter if they dared, :)


Scott Nichols    (2011-02-17 16:00:54)
request again tour

Just another quick thought. The guys at ChessPlanet did a great job in very little time to make the WBCCC the success it is.

But FICGS IMHO is simply the best interface on the web. Throughout the years Thib has make little tweeks and improvements to make it what it is today. So I see other places and ideas and think, how nice it would be to use those ideas on FICGS.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-17 16:46:15)
Silver chess games, W/B balance

Just an idea... as the Epoints balance for White and Black may be not fair enough (as a reminder the current rule for e.g. bullet/lightning/blitz is: "1 game match (regular) - In case of a draw, the prize is divided, however player Black will fully get back his E-Points whereas player White will get the rest."), what would be a better system according to you?

On the basis of 19.8 Epoints at the end of the game, maybe we could try:

If result is 1-0, W+ 19.0 / B+ 0.8
If result is 1/2-1/2, W+ 9 / B+ 10.8
If result is 0-1, W+ 0 / B+ 19.8

or...

If result is 1-0, W+ 18.0 / B+ 1.8
If result is 1/2-1/2, W+ 8 / B+ 11.8
If result is 0-1, W+ 0 / B+ 19.8

Any idea?


Scott Nichols    (2011-02-17 16:55:49)
Silver chess games, W/B balance

I like the first system.


Kamesh Nookala    (2011-02-17 19:13:14)
Friends, let's revolutionaize FICGS!!!!

Hi Guys,

FICGS is a great place. Atleast for me. I am very much attracted to the style of play. For more competitive play and attracting more correspondence chess players, while maintaining the purpose of correspondence chess, I think we all can help contribute in making FICGS the greatest server of all times to come.

I know what matters is real stuff, like the ICCF, but why not strengthen the identity of FICGS itself. We can have some games with various other servers (for e.g. the Rybkaforum match we had)
This way, in a calendar year we can have our tours fixed with each server, be it German or anything else.

As far as Thib is concerned, he is too much preoccupied maintaining the server. So, I request each and every member of this Server to throw some of their valuable inputs.

Warm Regards,
Kam


Daniel Parmet    (2011-02-17 20:13:16)
request again tour

I think increment of 8 hours is a good idea. I find on average I lose 8 hours in my WBCCC game just cause of time difference. He moves literally 5minutes after I go to sleep.


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-02-21 07:26:38)
Tal System of accurate attack

Now, go through "Tal system of accurate attack" at

http://chessthinkingsystems2.blogspot.com/p/tal-system.html

and offer your comments here.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-21 13:58:24)
Silver chess games, W/B balance

You're right, the main problem is obviously that we are too busy by games played at standard time controls but it is not a reason to try to improve the prize breakdown :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-23 16:59:20)
How long does it take?

Hello David. Did your friend click the confirmation link or answered the email he received to confirm his email? If not, it may take a while...


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-23 18:31:34)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I hope there will be as few changes as possible. The "history" of the championships will be clearer this way.

I still have no idea of a better & clearer system for provisionally rated players but all ideas are welcome...


Garvin Gray    (2011-02-24 03:08:56)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I have already offered mine, have them play in groups by themselves and the winner qualifies as normal by winning their group.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-02-24 18:49:15)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

If it is a problem with unrated players. Is it possible to have all players have to play at least 1 tournament before they enter Wch, I know that is not a lot of info to go on. But a provisional is a lot better than no rating at all.


Garvin Gray    (2011-02-25 00:55:15)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I really would like to see the idea of those who are provisionally rated playing in groups by themselves, while everyone is seeded normally.

There should only be two or three groups of provisionally rated players, especially if they are seeded in groups of 9 players.

A second possibility= remove the exemption for players around 2300 so that they have to qualify just like everyone else.

This might even reduce the number of stages by 1, shortening the whole cycle.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-26 22:44:09)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Okay, I'm really thinking about a solution but right now I'm not completely satisfied with this option of having these groups of provisionnaly rated players. I really think that it just moves & postpons the problem while losing some advantages, by the way many established ratings are still underestimated...

I would like to try to explain again my whole point of view on the current wch rules. The way I've been thinking this championship is purely statistical, the idea was to find the best chances to see ALL the best players in the final rounds about each 2 years. It worked quite well so far IMO, actually my main regret is not to be able to extend the knockout tournament of 1 round (we would have 16 players instead of 8), that's why it is not possible anyway to have less than 5 rounds for the whole cycle. Each one is 30 to 40 months long, it could be worse. So the whole cycle's aim is not only to find the best player of the cycle but to give chances enough as quickly as possible to the new underrated players for the next cycles!

On this point, I'm quite glad to see players like Wayne who made it the very hard way, starting from ELO 1400 (!) to reach 2540 in about 3 years only. The WCH cycle helped many other players to find their place quite quickly in the rating list, also over 2400, and I have no doubt that the best players of the round-robin cycle play the round-robin final. Usually none of these new underrated players play the RR final, they have less chances than 2200 ones to play the 2nd round because of the TER rule but they win some elo points during the 1st round. That is fair IMO, some logical improvements now protect the ratings of 2200-2300 players but I agree that it is still hard to cross certain rating ranges because ratings do not inflate the same way than advanced chess, Go or poker ones.

In summary, let's say that it is unfair that 2200 players play 1 or 2 underrated players + one player rated about 2000 who may be worth 2100 or 2200, 2300 & more... He will probably lose some rating points during round 1. However he has more chances to reach round 2 with few chances to win but more chances to get some/many elo points back.

I do not say that there is no "problem" with the current WCH rules set (there will always be border effects, whatever the rules) but my point is that I'm not sure that any change that will have heavy consequences will have good effects enough.

Finally, if the most is favourable to such a change, it looks more logical to me to forbid the provisionnaly rated players to enter the wch waiting list. By the way we will have less forfeits during round 1, so the quality of the results may be improved. What do you think?


Garvin Gray    (2011-02-27 02:47:16)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Thib, I have explained my point of view quite a few times and when you reply you keep either accidently mis-interpreting it, or are doing it deliberately.

I suspect there might be a language issue between English as a first language and French as a first language.

My issue is with the first stage groups, to which most of the players are allocated.

In none of my previous posts have I mentioned UNDERRATED players ie those who have established ratings on here, but most likely their true playing standard is higher than their rating.

I will try and explain my position again and I now see I am not alone in having this opinion.

With 15 or so groups in the first stage and having some players provisionally rated at 1800, this means those '1800' are seeded in the different groups at player number 3 or 4.

But a few of the '1800's' turn out to be quite stronger than that rating, meaning the genuine rated 2100's in that group get another person who can play to their level, whereas in another group which did not have an '1800er', the group that did not have the provisional 1800 gets a statistical advantage by having one less stronger player to qualify for round two.

Now to the argument that putting the provisionals in groups by themselves only delays the problem.

If there are only one or two provisional groups, then this means that only one or two provisionals make it through to round two.

While this idea makes those groups of questionable standard, it is extremely likely that whoever comes out of the provi groups is going to be of decent standard.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2011-02-27 15:48:42)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

It seems that nobody likes the special groups for players with rating > 2300 in the chess WCH - but those who can play in these groups.

Maybe the provisional rating of a player should be (1800+<rating of the engine he uses>)/2 :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-27 21:20:59)
Plea for classical rating help

I don't know if only the defending champion and/or finalist "should" have any treatment after all... That's the whole debate of the FIDE WCH and I wanted to make it quite the opposite way.

On the opportunities for 2100-2200 players to cross the 2200 barrier, your last 4 ratings were 2160, 2157, 2160 & 2135. The tickets system also allow you to enter the CLASS M (2200+) waiting list for 10 Epoints if your rating is above 2150. I'm not trying to sell anything there but it is an option that is dedicated to help in such cases.

On the WCH cycle, maybe another idea would be to "extend" the M Groups idea to the 2200-2300 players. With 2200 to ~2400 players in these groups, there will be more strong players in Stage 2... I'm not sure about the whole consequences but it may be worth a try, what do you think?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-27 21:34:13)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Hi Garvin, sure there might be a language issue... sorry about that :/ I think I only try to interpret what you say in terms of consequences on the whole thing but I may be wrong at some points, be sure I'm not trying to avoid anything deliberately.

The provisional rating already takes account of if the player uses an engine or not (at least I try to make an estimation on what the new member says in the registration form).

As I just said in the other discussion, maybe we could try to extend the M groups to the 2200-2300 players, it may satisfy everyone as it is probably easier to cross the 2000 barrier than the 2200's, what do you think?


Daniel Parmet    (2011-02-27 21:57:03)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I disagree vehemently with the extension of the 2200 for the M group. The whole attraction of the FICGS world group is that its a chance to play these 2200s that I can never play otherwise. If you remove this chance, all you do is create a zone where the 2100s risk points and gain nothing. I'd have no reason to participate.


Garvin Gray    (2011-02-28 02:16:26)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

If I understand correctly Thib ;)

You are suggesting that the 2100 ers get pushed up into the special WCH groups, rather than having to fight it out with the rest of the rif raf in first stage.

Is that correct?

If so, then while personally that might be helpful for me, I am against it on two reasons:

1) It will only push down the rating issues to 2000ers.
2) I think it would be better to not give the special exemptions to those 2200 and above. I think the special exemptions start at 2200, or is that 2300?


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Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-28 16:05:47)
Plea for classical rating help

My point is that you never entered a class M waiting list while you were able to do it during maybe 6 months... During this time you entered many Rapid M & Class A tournaments (you play many games) so there may be also a rating management question into the problem IMHO. The same way you played 3 rapid silver tournaments, 2 against players with low ratings and 1 against Eros (good opportunity!) that you lost. These times many ~2200 rated players enter this waiting list.

Anyway I'll make other proposals in the other discussion today.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-28 16:07:33)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I'll answer this in a few hours. A quick suggestion meanwhile, do you think that provisional ratings (most are 1800) should be e.g. rated 2000 if the new members say that they're using an engine? It may help to solve many of these problems.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-02-28 21:02:18)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

@Garvin:

I suggest that all 2200+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) play the M group at stage 1 OR that all 2100+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) play the M group at stage 1 with the new rule that only half the players in these M groups can qualify for stage 2 and still 1 for stage 3. This combined to another new rule that would allow new members declaring to use a chess engine (not so many so far, maybe 20%) when registering would have a provisional rating of 2000 would solve IMO this issue (2000-2100 players would lose less points to those strong provisionally rated players during the wch) and would help to somewhat inflate the ratings that would be a logical thing when seeing the whole correspondence chess standards at the other sites (some already use this 2000 prov. rating). The ratings may even deflate due to the 10 moves rule. Actually I think I would be very favourable to one of these changes.

@Jimmy:

Fortunately there are players like Garvin, Scott, Gino & others who really helped to build the FICGS rules :) On the numbers of players by rating range, it is quite different from a cycle to another, sometimes we have 2 M groups, sometimes there is no M group at all so I'm not sure if it would be representative. Still I'm not favourable at all to have groups of provisionally rated players.


Daniel Parmet    (2011-02-28 23:29:13)
Plea for classical rating help

I feel I have the same problem as Garvin. But it does not bother me as much as I consider playing otb the real place for improvement. I just use corr as a chance to test my otb ideas. However, I still try to seek out the strongest players I am allowed to play. The restrictions I have found in most correspondence sites though is that I am not allowed to play the stronger players. The 2150 rule does not help me as I am at a mere 2100.


Daniel Parmet    (2011-02-28 23:50:22)
Plea for classical rating help

yes this is exactly why I love your tournament ;) losses do not bother me. I learn from them. This has been my philosophy ever since I picked up chess a mere 3 years ago. What bothers me is all the restrictions people put into to place to prevent players from improving. Most do it unintentionally. However, many US organizers do it intentionally. They either cap their event sections strictly for 2200+ or they make insane rating determine entry fees. For a non 2400+ player to enter a GM norm swiss event it can cost $400. Or for an expert to enter a 2200+ section will cost you an extra $50 at the Goichberg style events or an extra $100 for the National Open.

It is this kind lunacy that makes improvement hard. You can have all the time and money in the world and still find through no lack of effort or skill that you are not allowed to improve.

I find most of the otb tournaments I am allowed to play in now... I usually end up being seed 1 or 2. Not exactly encouragement for me to use my whole weekend is it? I would dream to be able to enter a swiss where I am the bottom seed. But for this to happen I have to break the barriers without the extreme advantage of being allowed to play strong players.

FYI, I practice what I speak. The local tournament I am running next in my area will feature 5 masters (1 IM, 2 FM and 2 NM) - and it has a low entry fee. This is the type of event I wish was more common...


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-01 11:04:48)
Plea for classical rating help

Same problem in France as for OTB chess (as far as I remember).

Daniel, I see that you made it the very hard way too (starting from 1300), it took a while to reach 2087 but I have no doubt that you'll reach 2100, then you can enter a Rapid M (by the way a ticket can do it already). There are solutions!


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-02 10:51:41)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I didn't see it that way. I know there will always be possible improvements, it is just not so easy to find the best ones.


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-02 14:59:29)
Plea for classical rating help

Thib- The tickets system also allow you to enter the CLASS M (2200+) waiting list for 10 Epoints if your rating is above 2150.
====================
Apologies for the slow replies. From looking at both threads on these items I wanted to wait to see if there were any trends. Not so far.

On to the comment I have picked out above, I just looked at the SM Rapid group and I notice three players who I think have accepted the 10 euro scheme into a tournament with 2300 players.

When I saw your comment about the ticket system, I was concerned that it could mean that a few 2150 ers enter the tournament and it ruins the experience for all.

This seems to have occurred where the scheme is in place to give the opportunity for a person to play higher rated opponents.

In fact, rechecking the SM rapid, no player is above 2300.

Perhaps the 2150 scheme should be limited to one acceptance per 2300 group. When that tournament fills, another 2150 person can accept.

So as it stands, I will not be joining that tournament as it will acheive nothing more than I am getting now, and I would be paying 10 euro for the privilege of getting nothing more than what I get now.


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-02 15:29:10)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Ok, I have attempted to reply to some of this, but I keep losing the plot of what I am saying. Perhaps it is just that there are too many intertwined topics that it is all too much.

Can someone divide up the topics a bit so I can reply with more clarity?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-02 15:44:26)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Hi Garvin :)

The main point is IMO this suggestion:

"All 2100+, 2150+ or 2200+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) could play the M groups at stage 1 with the new rule that only half the players in these M groups can qualify for stage 2, while the winners will qualify for stage 3 as before.

Combined to another new rule, that would allow new members declaring to use a chess engine (not so many so far, maybe 20%) when registering to get a provisional rating of 2000, it could solve this issue.

Indeed 2000-2100 players would lose less points to those strong provisionally rated players during the regular wch groups, while they keep more chances to qualify for round 2, and it would help to somewhat inflate the ratings that would be a logical thing when seeing the whole correspondence chess standards at the other sites (some already use this 2000 prov. rating).

The ratings may even deflate due to the 10 moves rule."


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-03 14:26:01)
Plea for classical rating help

Sorry as well, I missed your last message in this discussion. So...

1) On tickets for class M ("...if your rating is above 2150"), that was my point, nothing prevented you to use this trick when your rating was above 2150.

2) On the next Rapid SM, only 2 players used it, Marius was above 2300 then lost many elo points as he had to forfeit several games, Miroslav also was above 2300 and lost a few points. That's a border case and it may happen. Anyway only 2 players under the rating limit can enter a waiting list.

3) To clarify, there is no 2150 scheme! 2150 is for the case of Class M, for Rapid SM you have to be rated 2250-2299 or to win a Rapid M event to use the ticket system.

4) You are probably right on the Rapid SM case anyway, maybe the ticket system rule should allow players to use a ticket only if there are no more than 2 players (including players not using a ticket) under the rating range.

5) Anyway you couldn't enter the Rapid SM waiting list unless you win a Rapid M tournament. But my point was only that you could have joinded a Class M several times (with most players rated above 2200)...


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-05 11:51:24)
Plea for classical rating help

Been thinking about this issue a bit more.

I think the only solution is that more tournaments are specially run where players from the different rating bands meet more often.

So there should be a couple of more tournaments where there are no special divisions where the top players are put together against each other, rather than having to fight it out from round one with the rest of the riff raff.

This idea seems great, but the old question comes up, it only works for the intended purpose if players from the top end of the rating list actually participate.

Would they? I am sceptical.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-05 13:43:30)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

There is no similar issue for 2000's IMHO, it is probably easier to cross the 2000-2100 barrier than the 2100-2200 and of course 2200-2300. And once again they would lose much less rating points against these new 2000 provisionally rated players (that's mathematical).

On provisional ratings depending on if players declare if an engine is used, even ICCF (as far as I know) grants a 2000 prov. rating to some players, I was not convinced so far but finally... Of course new players can "lie" or change their mind on using an engine, they'll not be kicked out of any tournament but such a rule is surely better than nothing to get ratings more coherent, btw it is just an improvement of the current rule (new players who have no rating anywhere can choose their first rating between 1200 & 1800, and of course I fix it if e.g. the player declares to play with an engine with a new rating of 1200).

Anyway the idea of players needing to have an established rating before being able to enter the WCH is also fine to me. Let's just try to have more opinions on this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-05 14:03:29)
FICGS chess WCH : choose your rule

Hi all, we need your opinion to choose a new rule for the next FICGS chess WCH, here are the proposals:


1) All 2200+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) play the M groups at stage 1 while only half the players in these M groups can qualify for stage 2. Winners will qualify for stage 3 as before.

2) Same than 1) but also the new members declaring to use a chess engine when registering will get a provisional rating of 2000.

3) All 2100+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) play the M groups at stage 1 while only half the players in these M groups can qualify for stage 2. Winners will qualify for stage 3 as before.

4) Same than 3) but also the new members declaring to use a chess engine when registering will get a provisional rating of 2000.

5) Players need to have an established rating (9 finished & rated games) before being able to enter the WCH waiting list.

6) Same than 5) but also the new members declaring to use a chess engine when registering will get a provisional rating of 2000.


As for me, I think that 2) & 4) are ok for all reasons I mentioned before. 5) & 6) are ok as well but it's a pity to reduce the number of players in the wch cycle :/


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-05 14:07:55)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Ok for me.

In order, most want to see first:

5
3
1
4
2

Not sure how 6) works? If players have an established rating, how are they new members and need to declare.

Surely the established rating would be used.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2011-03-05 16:04:01)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I like 3 & 4 and 1 & 2. I do not like denying access to new members for the championship stages, seems elitist to me.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-03-05 22:07:48)
Strange game

That is still to long, but really it just seems like bad sportsmanship.


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-06 08:56:33)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Aren't having players segregated from the rest being elitist. Tano, you have voted for proposals that are surely elitist ie allowing players to avoid the general population and giving them increased chances to qualify.

If you do not believe in elitism then I would have thought you were would be arguing that all players from all ratings should start from round one, including the 2300+ players.


Adri Steenbeek    (2011-03-06 09:54:46)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

5) seems very reasonable to me.
The others are too complicated.
6) referring to 5) does not make sense, since they are unrelated.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2011-03-06 15:03:21)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I do not like this special treatment of players from a certain rating (no matter whether 2000, 2100, 2200, 2300) already from the beginning of the WCHs. And I don't like that the TER is decisive in the case of equal points.

I think it's bad luck if in a group are players with a provisional rating or a small rating (and the player starts to use engines now). But in my opinion all members should be allowed to play the WCH without restrictions.

Maybe games should not be rated for a player with an established rating, if the rating of his opponent is provisional only. But that's another theme.


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-07 16:30:52)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

I can sum up my position in a few simple words from what I have read here:

Kick out the provies, make them earn their entry and

no special groups for the 2300 rated. Make them start with the rest of the riff raff from round one.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-07 21:09:18)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Hi Daniel! In brief (before my huge next post):

"How hard to play 9 games": Not hard, but it may take months, maybe more than a year. That's a problem :/

On top seeds, I agree and that's the point to make "class groups" as much as possible. So everyone cannot have equal chances.

On the number of players per group, it only depends on the total number of players in the waiting list. Sometimes it is not possible to build groups of 9 players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-07 21:45:17)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Well, I see that the idea of "equal chances for everyone" is still in the debate, that's quite strange as I thought it was obvious & accepted that such a thing cannot exist in correspondence chess.

No correspondence chess championship format can give equal chances to everyone because there is no time for this, and to try to do it only gives less chances to the best player to win it.

The way IECG & ICCF do it has probably as many advantages & inconvenients as we do it at FICGS but at the end the efficiency is quite similar to find as accurately as possible the best player among the highest rated ones IMO & everyone have NOT equal chances (either you have to play a few rounds more or there is a TER rule or whatever).

I'm not saying that one format is better than others, some will like the FICGS format, some will prefer other formats, that's all IMO. Do not think that the WBCCC format solves all problems, it tries to avoid the time problem but the number of players is very limited in the running edition.

Finally, why to play another ICCF/IECG championship here?

I think that there is no argument that can justify that all players (including the 8 players of the knockout after all) should play in regular groups, as well as no argument can justify the opposite. It was just a choice to make it different and somewhat looking like the old FIDE championship.

That's why choices 2) & 4) are really best to me. 2) may be better because the range 2100-2400~ may be too large for M groups, but another solution may be to build M (2250-2400)& N (2100-2250) groups like it was done in one WCH cycle, where the number of qualified players were different. Actually the idea of class groups with different numbers of qualified players is really interesting but of course, the chances are not the same for everyone once again.

Whatever the choice, surely it will not be ok for some players for any reason, but I'm now quite sure that a change should be done.


Wayne Lowrance    (2011-03-08 06:19:02)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Howdy all. I have stayed out of this discussion. I am biased for sure. Garvin I can see your side, it is tough. But I believe in the existing format. Maybe a few minor tweaks are ok, we will see I guess. Garvin if your good enough, in time you will climb the ladder. If that is your goal. I have played at ficgs for what seems like forever. I started out at 1400.I came here with a previous 4 year record at another side with a rating of 2300.
I did not think I would ever get past 2200. In fact a member told me face to face via ficgs I would never go higher. I got all the more determined. This does not help you but I just wanted to tell you it can be done.
Maybe it is not fair.
Another personnel observation of apparent unfairness. aboard a ship in the navy first class petty officers get to jump ahead in the chow line. It is not fair, but that is the way it was. Man when I promoted to first class I had no compulsion to jump in ahead of long chow line.
So Thibault I ask for no drastic step to ficgs rating posture.
Wayne


Garvin Gray    (2011-03-10 02:52:59)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Daniel and others- I am just helping Thib out to clarify the changes as I understand them.

My personal position on the rating cutoff is that all the players except the champion and ex-champion should start from stage 1. None of this rating cutoff and special groups stuff.


Daniel Parmet    (2011-03-10 03:15:04)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

btw your assumption that all the 1st seeds get through is wrong. In fact, I didn't get through on my last go around because all the 1800s played drawing lines as white to try to make as sterile a position as possible. This of course forced to play for a win from a drawn position which exactly as you expect - lost. These new proposed changes are in my opinion extremely silly and biased towards people in certain rating brackets. Therefore, I can't participate until I'm on the better half of the bias 2150+


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-03-10 11:02:48)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2

With the last game about to come to a close. I wanted to remember everyone that the next round is going to be starting sometime next week. At some point today Garvin will talk about the next pairings. When they are official released. I will start making the next game links available. Directly for what games you want to see.

Players please give some input about the starting time for Round 2 if you have an opinion :)

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21156


Daniel Parmet    (2011-03-10 18:31:31)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2

I assume you mean remind not remember ;)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2011-03-11 07:13:18)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2

That's interesting, in Spanish and Italian the same word is used for remind and remember...


Sebastian Boehme    (2011-03-11 10:21:26)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2

Remember might be a little more "slangish", but yes remind is how I know it.
Anyway please bear with Jimmy, he is a good TD. ;-)


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-03-11 21:49:16)
WBCCC Round 2 Pairings

Time has finally come for Round 2 to come and the long a waited pairings are out. Just for notes B=Board #

B1-Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant)

B2-Moz vs Sekos

B3-Mark Eldridge vs David Evans

B4-Stephanie vs Fulcrum2000

B5-NATIONAL12 vs Kamesh

B6-ppipper vs jitan

B7-Wayne Lowrance vs tomski1981

B8-Uly vs indrajit_sg

B9-Balabachi vs Sebastian Boehme

B10-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Weirwindle

B11-donkasand vs Ruben Comes

B12-natmaku vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)

B13-Scott Nichols vs Omprakash

B14-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs deka

B15-parmetd (Daniel Parmet)vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)

B16-Banned for Life vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)

2nd game of Round 2

B1-CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant) vs Moz

B2-jitan vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)

B3-Fulcrum2000 vs Mark Eldridge

B4-Kamesh vs Stephanie

B5-David Evans vs National12

B6-Sekos vs ppipper

B7-indrajit_sg vs Wayne Lowrance

B8-tomski1981 vs Uly

B9-Sebastian Boehme vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein)

B10-Weirwindle vs donkasand

B11-Ruben Comes vs Balabachi

B12-ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs keoki010 (George Clement)

B13-Omparakash vs natmaku

B14-deka vs Scott Nichols

B15-TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs parmentd (Daniel Parmet)

B16-SpiderG (Peter Marriott) vs Banned for Life

I will post links in the next post. I still have to move the game threads over to the WBCCC Forum. Good Luck to everyone in Round 2! :)


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-03-12 06:13:27)
WBCCC Round 2 Pairings

Oh ok here are the links to the games threads for Round 2!

B1-Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21163

B2-Moz vs Sekos
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21164

B3-Mark Eldridge vs David Evans
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21165

B4-Stephanie vs Fulcrum2000
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21166

B5-NATIONAL12 vs Kamesh
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21167

B6-ppipper vs jitan
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21168

B7-Wayne Lowrance vs tomski1981
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21169

B8-Uly vs indrajit_sg
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21170

B9-Balabachi vs Sebastian Boehme
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21171

B10-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Weirwindle
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21172

B11-donkasand vs Ruben Comes
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21173

B12-natmaku vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21174

B13-Scott Nichols vs Omprakash
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21175

B14-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs deka
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21176

B15-parmetd (Daniel Parmet)vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21177

B16-Banned for Life vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21178


2nd set of Games

B1-CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant) vs Moz
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21180

B2-jitan vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21181

B3-Fulcrum2000 vs Mark Eldridge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21182

B4-Kamesh vs Stephanie
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21183

B5-David Evans vs National12
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21184

B6-Sekos vs ppipper
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21185

B7-indrajit_sg vs Wayne Lowrance
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21186

B8-tomski1981 vs Uly
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21187

B9-Sebastian Boehme vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21188

B10-Weirwindle vs donkasand
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21189

B11-Ruben Comes vs Balabachi
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21190

B12-ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs keoki010 (George Clement)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21191

B13-Omparakash vs natmaku
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21193

B14-deka vs Scott Nichols
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21194

B15-TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs parmentd
(Daniel Parmet)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21195

B16-SpiderG (Peter Marriott) vs Banned for Life
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21196


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Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-03-23 03:50:19)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems

Petrosian System link is now active at

http://chessthinkingsystems.blogspot.com/

or directly

http://chessthinkingsystems2.blogspot.com/p/petrosian-system.html

Please read and comment.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-24 15:36:57)
5th Go WCH, analysis by SC. von Erichsen

Svante Carl von Erichsen is FICGS Go champion... for the 5th time! After his win in the match that opposed him to Olivier Drouot, here are his analysis on the games:

_______________________


- Congratulations for this 5th win in the FICGS Go championship! By seeing the score you give less and less chances to your opponents who seem stronger each time though... Several games may look quite mysterious to weaker players. What happened during these games?

- Svante Carl von Erichsen:

Hi!

I do not have the impression that my opponents have less and less
chances. I also make many mistakes, and was in a clearly bad position
in at least one game. Olivier made many very unusual moves in the
opening, which were difficult to handle in a calm manner.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47578

In game 3 (47578), this is apparent at move 18. White has gone for a
very centre-oriented game, while Black has made more direct profit.
It is difficult to say who got the better deal. Move 18 itself is
very unusual, and I am not sure whether the result was satisfactory
for me. I think that moves 41 and 43 were important, as stabilizing
the group in the centre takes priority when the centre is dominated by
White like this. At move 53, it is clear that Black needs to stabilize
the top group, but D18 seems more important in retrospect. Move 62 is
a bit odd---I think that living with S16 instead would be better. I
think that Black got a territorial advantage here. Since White got
additional central strength, Black turned to make his central group
safe again, which should be enough to win now. White 94 tries to
shake up things again, but getting separated on the lower side makes
it very hard for him.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47580

In game 5 (47580), Olivier chose a very unusual move again at move 8.
I think that the outcome until move 17 favours Black, however. At
move 36, it looks like Black will have to live in the corner, but the
white enclosure does have its holes. Alas, White's response to the
forcing move at P10 was a severe blunder, as Black can take back the
right side. Move 55 was big, but I had not anticipated that the fight
after move 56 would be so hard for me. I think that after move 93,
White put too much emphasis on hollowing out what once seemed like
prospective black territory. The ponnuki in the centre was worth much
more than what White made on the second line. With that strength,
reducing the white framework on the left was no question. I think
that White then tried too hard in the centre.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47576

Game 1 (47576) was characterized by a big fight starting from the
joseki in the lower right corner. I guess that a stronger player
could point out several mistakes by both sides. It resulted in a big
exchange, where quite some aji remained in both positions. Move 90 is
an unusual idea, it would be more normal to extend on the side. 91
and 95 were intended as forcing moves to give some support to the top
side. I think that Black has good prospects after move 99 and
especially after 113. White started an interesting invasion on the
left then, which was however stopped by the blunder at 138.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47579

Game 4 (47579) again featured some unusual moves in the opening,
namely moves 7 and 9. I think that immediately plunging through at 10
was not good. It was quite difficult for me to keep territorial
balance afterwards. I think that my invasion at the top was
premature, but it seemed like I could not keep up without it. The
attack at L13 was severe. I got lucky that Black kept back a bit, so
that I could get the cut at E7, which was more important than the six
stones around N13. It would have been possible to save them at move
98, but at the cost of letting Black break through L10. Sacrificing
them allowed me to cement the centre to put me comfortably ahead. L9
was then the start of a desperate attempt to reduce the centre. I was
quite sure that I could capture it, even though simply connecting
would most likely have been enough. I then made a big blunder again
with move 130 (I had to double hane), allowing a game-deciding ko.
Black had a lot of threats against the lower right corner, and I think
that this exchange would have put him ahead. However, he thought he
had an internal threat at D10, which I think was not one, as there was
no additional eye in the centre yet.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47577

In game 2 (47577), he got me in the opening with another of his
experiments (move 7). I think that I could have been satisfied if I
simply played the keima to P2 at move 14. However, I activated the
central stone instead, which led to Black getting solid positions on
both sides, while I lived small in the corner and struggled in the
centre. I then succeeded in making him overconcentrated on the lower
side, but at the expense of a quite large corner and not making many
points myself. Move 80 tries to stir things up more. I think that if
Black had secured O13 with move 97, the game would have been over.
However, things only began to look good for White after move 127,
which had to be played at R8 (it is sente against the middle group
then, so Black can live with S5). It is still not over, however, as
White has two weak groups to take care of. The lower side group can
live locally with a ko at G1, but the other group has to struggle---it
would be nice to find a clean sacrifice plan here, because it is hard
for the two groups not to compete for eye space. This was the last
game to end, and my opponent seems to have chosen to resign all when
he did not see a way to win the overall match anymore.

All in all, these were very interesting games where I think I learnt a
lot. I wish to thank my opponent, who played very well.

Thanks!

Svante


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-29 14:59:17)
FICGS chess World Championship #9

Looks like about 150 players are in the waiting list so far... not bad. From the 1st to the 8th, the number of players was around 120 to 150, as far as I can remember.


Don Groves    (2011-03-31 03:30:35)
Active rating lists

I agree with William. In addition, I would like to see players who have never played any game after joining the site removed from all rating lists. Their presence tends to distort the lists.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-31 19:50:04)
Segregation of Games on this Server

Finally, I just made a small update to solve this problem, now you may download chess finished games by 2 months periods, see:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=search_games#chess_database

Please report bugs if any... Thanks!


Don Groves    (2011-03-31 22:53:24)
FICGS Birthday?

Thib -- you wrote that FICGS would soon be four years old but I joined in August 2006 and there were 350 members already. Maybe FICGS will be five years old soon?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-03-31 23:07:22)
FICGS Birthday?

Nope, I remember that I announced in the forums about FICGS in April 2006, and many strong players registered very quickly...

By the way the archives tell it:

http://www.ficgs.com/archives.html

At the very bottom of the page (or almost), the server started on April 5, 2006. About 220 players registered the first 25 days...


Paul Valle    (2011-04-02 21:59:27)
Conditional moves

I don´t know how difficult it is to implement conditional moves (I´m sure Thib has a short list of pending improvements with priorities). If it´s easy - I vote for including it. I can´t really see any major problems with offering it. On gameknot you can enter a long sequence of moves and I´ve had a game go the first 15 conditional moves before my opponent deviated. If something similar was implemented here, it would cut the average playing time for any tournament significantly.


Daniel Parmet    (2011-04-04 07:33:36)
Conditional moves

if I may play devil's advocate... I believe it is precisely BECAUSE conditional moves are more fair that is why players want them. Now when a person is low on time or trying to extend the game into the next rating period they purposefully wait until the BEST hour in which to make a move to clip the most time off their opponent's clock. If conditional moves were in place, a person could sleep knowing that their forced response is already in the system for their sneaky opponent that just wants to flag them.


Scott Nichols    (2011-04-05 00:13:42)
Conditional moves

"if" moves used to be very good in the days of real "Postal Chess" where a move could take a month or two to receive. But these days where you can get a move and answer it in seconds if you want to, they (if moves) are not that big of deal. Certainly not worth the effort it would take to implement them. Also, there have been a few times where I wished I had not made that conditional move. Now I make it a practice to NEVER use them, even if available.


Paul-Iosif Guralivu    (2011-04-05 11:40:56)
FICGS Birthday?

Hi all,

Member # 12 (ROU). That's me. I think I joined before April 2006.

I don't remember how I joined and how I found it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-04-05 11:49:56)
FICGS Birthday?

Hi Paul-Iosif !

For the story, I remember how Paul-Iosif joined FICGS because he is the first & ONLY member not from my personal friends who joined FICGS even before I announced it (which was a true surprise to me)! I remember that you found it through Google that indexed FICGS before that there is any friendly link pointing to it (probably thanks to a "whois" website).

Thanks Paul-Iosif for being still there 5 years later :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-04-07 17:29:11)
Recent problems at FICGS (DNS, emails)

Hi all,

You've probably noticed that the server was unreachable during hours yesterday & today, and that some emails arrived late, the reason is that I'm trying to solve an old DNS issue.

12 hours have been added to all players in running games, I hope that everything will work fine soon.

Sorry about that.


Daniel Parmet    (2011-04-08 08:03:30)
Recent problems at FICGS (DNS, emails)

No worries! Keep up the good work :) We shall just label this all as a birthday spanking.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-04-13 14:07:34)
CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000009

Hi Peter. It should be closed in 2 days from now, all replacements and/or new groups will be done then.

I must say I am quite surprised to see several very strong players entering the waiting list after the tournaments started. Too bad that other matches cannot start in the knockout tournament :/

So I may include you in another group M in the round-robin tournament, if you wish!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-04-13 15:40:43)
CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000009

Okay Peter.

@Garvin : There is no guarantee to play for anyone who entered the waiting list after the closing date, I don't think it is a problem to add new groups if coherent with the existing ones (may be discussed after all), but the main point is that replacements are really useful in some groups.


Peter Unger    (2011-04-19 23:34:25)
You can't enter this tournament

Why? There are players with 2145etc. in the waiting list?
See the following?

FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_SM__000008
(type : rated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)

7 players, 6 game (1 game against each opponent)
entry fee : 0 , prize : 20 (E-Points)
elo : 2300+


You can't enter this tournament :
Your chess rating : 2166 , is out of the restrictions.

Waiting list :

POL Broniek, Mariusz Maciej 2152
SVK Gazi, Miroslav 2272
USA Nichols, Scott 2184
DEU Wosch, Arkadiusz 2145
KAZ Alaguzov, Maxat 2415
PRT Pessoa, Francisco 2528


Kevin D. Plant    (2011-04-20 12:18:31)
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_M__000041

Why does it show the following

FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_M__000041
Leaders : George Clement Mark Eldridge

who have 2/4 and I have 2.5/4


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-04-21 11:55:57)
You can't enter this tournament

Hello Peter, all explained here:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tickets


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-04-24 12:03:10)
Active rating lists

Hello Harshil.

It is mathematical, actually. Your rating cannot reach 2000 if you play only class D tournaments (players rated 1400-1600), which is your case. By the way you played only 3 chess rated tournaments, that is still quite few...

High correspondence chess ratings take always 1 full year to be reached, every strong player knows that.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2011-04-26 03:22:43)
Active rating lists

Hi Harshil, when I joined my ranking was 1400, now it is over 2000. I only played one class d championship. If you try to play chess rapid tournaments or the ficgs world champion with players whose ranking is higher than yours, you may progress faster. About the ranking system used here, it is pretty standard, you will find it in others chess sites or clubs.


Harshil Meraiya    (2011-04-26 05:42:10)
Active rating lists

And that is not only for chess! Go I had Zero. Now its 322 and provisional rating for people just joining-700! I don't need your stupid mathematical explanations. Just tell me how to delete account. And don't mail me ever!


Don Groves    (2011-04-26 05:49:34)
Active rating lists

The same happened in Poker. The first players who joined were given a 1600 rating. Then after a while it became 1800. I agree this is a problem that should be addressed!


Don Groves    (2011-04-28 23:45:42)
Active rating lists

Thib: I agree it easy to reach 1800 starting from 1600. But that's not the problem. The problem is it's much harder to reach 2000 starting from 1600 and unless one reaches 2000 one cannot play in Class A where most of the best players are.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-04-29 11:23:50)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update

Hello everyone! Its been a while since the last time I have updated. I would like to talk about recent happening. Then I will give an update on the games for this round.

I have had some talks with a few players. And I would like to announce that starting next year there will be more prizes. Besides the money prize next year. I haven't decide yet how many of these I will have yet. And its possible there could be more ideas to come by. Please also know that there will be money prizes still this is just something on also to add to the interests.

1.Subscriptions to annotated games. For example Chess Today, Chessvibes, chesspublishing.com and Opening Master. There can be others, these are just examples. If you have other good ideas here please post. Most likely this will be a combined prize here.

2.Rental time on the new Rybka Cluster- Not sure how exactly this one would work. It could be a lot different in a years time for the Rybka Cluster. But I think this would have some interests.

3.Hardware- Again not sure how I would do this. But I would probably have it as a middle to high end setup for a prize. Hardware is always a every changing process its hard to know what is good at that time.

Any other suggests are welcome. Probably the best realistic prize is the first one. If I have multiple prizes like this. The way it would probably play out is like a lottery system. Start with the winner and work your way down. On what they want and go 2nd, 3rd etc...

The last prize to talk about.(And maybe the best) I have had talks with the people of chesspublishing.com and next year. Whatever game is voted for "best game of the round". Will have there game analyzed, by one of the titled players on that site and have the game published. I will try and have it open to everyone that follows the games for the WBCCC.

The next thing of interest for next year. Is that we will have a conditional move system in place. It was thought in a blitz setting to be a great asset to have. For example if your opponent is in a different time zone than you and the next move to you would be a force move. It would be nice to have this option to make the forced play. Without having to say up late at night to make this obvious move. This is all the new stuff. Round 2 Update to come.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-04-29 14:45:26)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update

The last round was very exciting! And this round has had some great games as well. To speak of there is just 4 games left. Here is the report of the most important games this round.

Starting at the top boards. We have have...

B1-Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21163-

This game followed a Catalan. Gino makes ambitious choice to go with 5.Nbd2! I gave this move a ! Not because of its theoretical standing. But because it will lead to a position were white will give up a whole pawn for rapid development. Never the less, black is equal to the task and managers to hold on to the pawn for most of the game and keep the game balanced. With my human eyes, I thought for sure white had an advantage! After move 20.Be4, It looks like white has 2 racking bishops. While black has one black locked in! But in depth analysis shows, that black can hold on. And shows great defensive technique. Down the stretch. Well played by Gino and Kevin. On of my favorite games to follow.

B3-Mark Eldridge vs David Evans
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21165-

David has gotten tested in both his black games in this tournament. And this game was no different. We had another B90 line in this game. And ...8.h5 was used. This is becoming a common line in this tournament. Mark's treatment on the white side was great! I think his future opponents will think twice before trying this line again. At move 22, the game reaches the sharpest point. After move 22.fxe5! I thought that Mark had a chance vs David. But David founds some good moves to exchanges pieces and hold for a draw. The best of which was the combo of ...33.Rf3 and ...36.Rxg3! This was a nice find by him. Great job to David and Mark! I look forward to seeing both these players again.

B4-Stephanie vs Fulcrum2000
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21166-

I would normally just post FICGS member games here. But this maybe one of the top 2 or 3 most important games of this round. In what turns out to be the most exciting game of the round IMO. White has shown that they are quite good in the opening phase. At move 18 they choose 18.b3 which was suggested as being the novelty move. White gets a very strong game and after a king tour to capture the pawn. It looked like a win for sure!, but it seems a mistake was made at move 38. Instead of 38.Qc1!? the move 38.Qe8! seems to be a near winner. I thoughts on why this move was missed is because, White was in time trouble in both games. I have to believe this was a favor. As we speak Stephanie is close to defeat in the other game that I will talk about shortly. I would watch her for the reminded of the tournament. I think they will learn form this experience and be even stronger going future. Well done by both players.

B5-NATIONAL12 vs Kamesh
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21167

Two of my good friends battling here. This was a B90 battle. The novelty move was the straight forward looking 27.h4, but after some exchanges. White has to settled for equality. A good match to follow, the one other note made was this was a line pioneered by Eros Riccio.

B7-Wayne Lowrance vs tomski1981
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21169-

Wayne plays a good line vs the french vs tomski. In fact by the database expert, it was in a 100% win line!! But after the queens come off the board. It burns out to a quiet draw. Wayne has had good opening results, but has yet to get in the winners column. I have faith that Wayne will win a game very soon. Good game to both in this one.

B8-Uly vs indrajit_sg
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21170-

This was a nice game to follow. A french defense was chosen. The point in which it gets interest is the choice to play 19.bxc3!? Which leads to 21.Nh6+!? I loves this sires of moves! 27.Rh3! was also a good move here. But its seems black has just enough resources to hold the balance. ..54.Bxg6! was a good finally touch. Well played by both players.

B9-Balabachi(William Fuller) vs Sebastian Boehme
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21171

What was talked about as a drawish Ruy position. I found to be quite a game with all the early fireworks. I also liked the material imbalance in this game. Sebi has a rep of being very difficult to beat with the black pieces. This helps when you have the Ruy and the Posion pawn line of the Sicilian. As two of your best weapons. ;)

B10-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Weirwindle
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21172-

This was an interesting Richter-Rauzer game. 15.Qf4 was the novelty move, Form there it got crazy. 21.Nb3 seems to invite a pawn race. Which in the end white loses. This was a tough game for white. I think he should have been able to hold it. But it was still a good game to follow.

B11-donkasand vs Ruben Comes
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21173

This was a nice positional game by Mike (Donkasand), This was a 6.h3 Sicilian. And we get the usually good defense here. ..7.h5 White gets great positional pressure for the whole game and even gets a pawn, but Ruben wholes for a draw.

B12-natmaku vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21174

This game was a Petroff with 5.Nc3. This kind of move gives white rapid development. Its seems black equalize pretty quickly. And on move 21 a draw was agreed on.

B13-Scott Nichols vs Omprakash
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21175

This was an interesting King's Gambit game. I think Scott didn't study his opponents rep. :) The King's Gambit is Om's specialty. So this was an easy draw for black.

B14-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs deka
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21176-

In this game black returns to his pet line of the Sicilian with 2.a6(Which he played in the last round) I believe this is called the O'Kelly variation. This time around he goes for ..7.Qb6 which looks a little better than ..7.Bb5!? A draw probably should have been possible, but George was able to grid out a win. Well played by both players.

B15-parmetd (Daniel Parmet)vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21177

This was a King Indian by black. And white does a good job of out playing his opponent in this game. Unfortunately it seems Peter has gotten busy in his life. This game was decide by time.

B16-Banned for Life vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21178

I face off against Alan who has the white pieces. And is consider to be one of the best players when playing 1.b3. It was a difficult game for me as I decide before hand to play a dangerous line. Needless to say I lose this game after a few small mistakes on my part. I am founding that all the players in the WBCCC are good, I maybe better off being a commentator lol, but no one would have that.

This was the first set of games.

Here is the 2nd game of the 2nd round in the next post.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-04-29 18:36:20)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update

B1-CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant) vs Moz
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21180

Kevin makes an interesting choice here with 2.a4!? vs the Silicon Defense. Not exactly sure what he wanted out of the opening. I can only guess he wanted to mix it up here. Anyway, black equalizes fairly quickly and is better. But after 18.a5! He finds the best way to equalize and both agree to a draw.

B2-jitan vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21181-

The somewhat unknown Jitan has had a good tournament. And is given his ICCF SM opponent all he can handle. In a game that is still going. Gino is down a pawn, but it appears to be a draw and I would guess the game is about to finish. This was an interesting approach by Gino who gets in b5 and h5 very early in this game. And Jitan plays the most naturally looking sac. 13.Nbxd5! it looked like for a long time Gino was in trouble, but he has found enough resources IMO. A well played game by both players.

B3-Fulcrum2000 vs Mark Eldridge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21182

This was a nice French game to watch. The novelty move was ..11.Na5, OTB I would like white in this game and I had a feeling that white possibly could have risked an attack, but this game came down to endgame play and White was able to outplay black in the end.

B4-Kamesh vs Stephanie
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21183-

In my opinion this is the most important game the round and it is reaching its fianlly stages. I believe Stephanie to be one of the top players in this event. She has been doing well, but Kam has played the near perfect opening and got her in trouble. If you remember my previous post you remember I talk about Stephanie was in time trouble. Which has not help the cause. The one move I enjoyed the most so far in this game was 36.Ra5!, this was a nice exchange sac. And its given Kam nice pass pawns on the Queen-side. I would guess this game will be over soon. It has been a nice game to watch.

B5-David Evans vs National12
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21184

A battle of the English Countryman here. :) This was the Open Defense of the Ruy. Form the comments I got, it seems that the opening was played about as perfectly as you can get. David posed some problems to Paul(National12), but it ends in a fairly easy draw. One finally note ..10.d4 IMO is a very difficult move to beat.

B6-ppipper vs jitan
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21168-

This is one of the finally 4 games still playing. What looks like to be a draw here. The white black has been dancing for a few moves now, but blacks back rank is weak. That equals a drawish game. :)
This game started out form B90 and so has a ton of theory.

B7-indrajit_sg vs Wayne Lowrance
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21186

I fairly quiet B90 game. I don't think white got much out of the opening. Well played by Wayne here.

B8-tomski1981 vs Uly
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21187

A battle of good friends here. IMO I thought white played the this Queens pawn opening passively. And so we had an early draw at move 26.

B9-Sebastian Boehme vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21188-

This is one of the 4 last games. And I have to say its been a good game. We had an interesting Sicilian position. I had thought black was in trouble. But after he tripled up on the d-file. Then got massive exchanges. He looks like its headed toward a draw.

B10-Weirwindle vs donkasand
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21189-

This was a nice positional Sicilian game. Although it ends in a draw. Its a must see game! Watching the drawing combo at the end is very beautiful. It starts with ..27.e4! and you can watch it form there.

B11-Ruben Comes vs Balabachi(William Fuller)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21190

Ruben opened up this rep with 3.h3!? and we ended up with a closed type of Sicilian. But his opponent stayed strong. Though out the game. Even if it looked like Ruben had some pressure. In the finally position.

B12-ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs keoki010 (George Clement)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21191-

This game saw the Exchange variation in the Queen's gambit. It has a high rate rate. But to Ramil credit he manage to give George a couple of weak pawns in the endgame, but not enough for any real advantage.

B13-Omparakash vs natmaku
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21193-

I would have hoped for more in this game. As I'm a lover of the 6.Bc4 (Sozin) Sicilian. After 14.e5!? this forces unneeded exchanges. After which, the game looked like a draw. And that is how it ended.

B14-deka vs Scott Nichols
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21194

Usually the Exchange Slav is pretty drawish. And this game was no different. But both players did try to mount some kind of advance. Both had good posts on each others side of the board. But a drawish opening is a drawish opening.

B15-TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs parmentd
(Daniel Parmet)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21195

I tried my luck in an opening that was not something with e4. And it didn't go as well I had hoped, Daniel was able to get a equal position fairly quickly. In my try at making new theory in a very uncommon line vs the King's Indian Defense.

And finally we have this last game.

B16-SpiderG (Peter Marriott) vs Banned for Life
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21196

This would have promised to be a nice Larson Attack game. By alas Peter timed out in this game as well. I would have loved to seen this attacking game with both sides castled on opposite sides.

Well that would do it for my reports for this round. This was a great round, and the next promises to be great as well. I will post info for the next round after the last game is over with.

Any feedback is welcome!


George Clement    (2011-04-29 20:49:43)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update

Jimmy, great report. You should do more of this!


George Clement    (2011-04-30 17:11:19)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update

Hey Jimmy I didn't mean it was your job. You are doing a good job!!! is what I meant. In fact it's a great job. Thanks :-)


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-05-02 01:32:46)
Breaking Stereotypes

Hi Chess Friends,

Now watch GM Igor Smirnov's latest excellent chess video lesson "Breaking Stereotypes" [about exploiting White's Bg5 or Bb5 or Black's Bg4 or Bb4 moves] free (no registration required) only at

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Paul Valle    (2011-05-03 23:40:03)
Starting Rating

First of all: This is a great site, and love the fact that the Thib interacts with users to improve the site. Many decent chess sites out there, but this is rare.

When it comes to starting ratings, I would like to add some ideas for improvement:

The point of ratings is that they should reflect playing strength.
Likewise, the goal with starting ratings is that it should reflect actual playing strength.
Rules for both should be as equal and fair as possible.

Assumption:
I) the composition of «Active Players» and their ratings here on FICGS, are a valuable source in guesstimating a new players rating. Most players here play aided by an engine and the site is free, so players here should reflect what comes in the door.
(BTW My minimum definition of an «Active Player», is someone who has made at least one move in the period leading up to the official rating list.)
II) Lightning rating is a good estimate of Correspondence Rating.

I further believe that any choices or complications made to the FIDE rules of one starting rating fits all, should mostly be done to aid good Advanced Chess Players, and good OTB-players. Such complications might not be fair, but essential for FICGS to be relevant to the elite.

My proposal:

«Newly Regs» have a choice of THREE options upon starting to play correspondence CHESS on FICGS:

A) Start with a set rating. I would suggest this be set at the average or median off all Active players. Or a fixed numerical constant times this average. You could of course set up all kinds of formulas, but the main point in should reflect the current composition of FICGS members and not estimates based on unverifiable data given by the player.

Some players might feel that they are way better than this and might be discouraged to join and fight for a long time to reach the top tournaments they feel they are entitiled to play. The seccond option is created to encourage these players to join, and give them a choice to prove their skill relativly quickly and accurately.

B) Play 10 preliminary lightning games (starting with the same rating as in A), and then using the end lightning rating as the starting rating for normal tournaments. These players will get a much more accurate starting rating, and may be well motivated to put in the effort if they care. (If all the 10 games went close to 60 moves, and both players used all their time, the playing time would be around 16 hours)

Then there are the top international correspondence or Over-The-Board players. Why bother these with 10 lightning games?

C) Titled players can start in Master with a higher fixed rating (same as in option A, but multiplied with a higher constant), but must register by credit card to prove identity.

Possible drawbacks and problems
1) Assumption I and/or II is flawed
2) A poor player might be highly overrated choosing option A)
3) Players can dump lightning rating points to a friend
4) Implementation cost – development

-What ya think folks?
reg, Paul


Paul Valle    (2011-05-04 00:00:05)
Amateur player beats Rybka 4 !?

The guy seems to be a complete charlatan:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7183
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7190
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7194
http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/ukrainian-beats-rybka-4-blindfolded/

reg, Paul


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-05-04 13:33:38)
Breaking Stereotypes

Well friends. Both the free video lessons "Breaking Stereotypes I & II" are really good. Please watch them at http://chessthinkingsystems.blogspot.com/ and do comment here.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-10 12:09:36)
Big Chess championships 1 & 2

Hello all,

Finally the 2nd Big Chess championship started, with 3 players who should replace forfeiting players within 15 days. You still can enter the waiting list for replacements. Sorry for this month late :/

The final tournament of the 1st championship started as well... There was kind of a dilemma as I'm not comfortable with the idea of inviting myself to complete a tournament, but best was IMO to follow the current rules (tournaments of at least 7 players) so I had to invite 2 players. For the 2nd one, with 4 groups only I'll have to invite 3 players (most probably 2 players with 5 points out of 6 and the highest Big Chess rating when the tournament starts).


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-10 12:38:23)
Active rating lists

Hi guys, sorry for the delay for this one... :/

@Don : it may take a while, but I don't feel it's so hard for a good poker player... but it's kind of hard to say anyway.

@Paul : thanks for such a post with many ideas & questions! this issue is really complex of course but I made some observations during these years and my conclusions were:

- in average, self-estimated ratings are best. during the first years all players with no FIDE/IECG/ICCF ratings started at 1400 or 1700 and it quite distorted the list as many strong centaurs started from the bottom. your idea makes sense but it looks more "esthetic" for a centaur with no official rating to start with a 1900 or 2000 rating than e.g. 1937 :/

- your idea of 10 lightning games is very interesting! but not many players are involved in these games (I guess because of the time they spend on corr. games) and not many would accept to play unrated or low-rated players. I'll think about that though...

- about option C, there were early general forfeits by players FIDE rated over 2200, that's a pity and it distorted (not so much) a few ratings temporarily [actually it also helps to maintain a small inflation of ratings, which is logical] but in the other hand FIDE/ICCF ratings given as provisional ratings help to build a rating list with ratings that "tell" something... such choices are not obvious, obviously :)


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-05-15 13:08:49)
WBCCC Round 3 links and more

Here are the links for Round 3. Plus I have a quick announcement. I have talked to Garvin and I'm in the running to consider adding a 2nd tournament to the WBCCC. Probably called the WBCCC Inv. -> Invitational. This will be more of the standard style of blitz tournament. Something like 14d+1d per move, I don't want to set exact time control yet, I will probably open this discussion up after WBCCC 1 is over. What details I will give is this. What over the prize is next year will split with the other tournament plus a plaque to the winner. My hope is to have another drawing card for the WBCCC and I know this will probably bring more top players in.

Anyway here are the links for you to follow the games you wish to watch this round.

As always we will start at the top boards and work are way down. This time I will just do both of each board at the same time.

B=Board

B1- CumnorChessClub (Kevin D. Plant) vs Fulcrum2000- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21828

B1- ppipper vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin D. Plant)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21814

B2- Kamesh vs ppipper- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21829

B2- Fulcrum2000 vs Kamesh- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21815

B3- jitan vs Sebastian Boehme- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21830

B3- National12 vs jitan- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21816

B4- Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs WeirwindleX- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21817

B4- David Evans vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21831

B5- Sebastian Boehme vs David Evans- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21818

B5- Weirwindle vs Banned for Life- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21832

B6- ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs National12- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21833

B6- donkasand vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21819

B7- tomski1981 vs donkasand- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21834

B7- parmetd (Daniel Parmet) vs tomski1981- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21820

B8- Banned for Life vs Ruben Comes- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21821

B8- indrajit_sg vs parmetd (Daniel Parmet)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21835

B9- Keoki010 (George Clement) vs Indrajit- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21822

B9- Mark Eldridge vs Balabachi- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21837

B10- Wayne Lowrance vs Stephanie- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21838

B10- Balabachi vs Wayne Lowrance- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21823

B11- StephanieX vs Mark_Eldridge- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21824

B11- Omprakash vs Keoki010 (George Clement)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21839

B12- natmaku vs Scott Nichols- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21825

B12- Ruben Comes vs deka- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21840

B13- deka vs Omprakash- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21826

B13- Scott Nichols vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brien)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21841

B14- Schachmatt (Matt O'Brien) vs TheHug (Jimmy Huggins)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21827

B14- TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs natmaku http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21842

Before I get off, I would like to thank Thib for letting me ask his great players to play in my tournament. Best wishes to all and enjoy this next year!

Jimmy


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-05-15 13:34:12)
WBCCC Round 3 links and more

After 2 rounds FICGS has 5 of the top 10 places in the standings in the WBCCC 1. With Kevin #1 and Kamesh #4 at the top with 3 points and Gino #6, David #7, and Sebi #10. Well Rybka Forum has 4 of the top 10. Fulcrum2000 #2, ppipper #3, WeirwindleX #8, National12 #9.

Many of these players are facing off against each other. Here are just a few games you that are must watch for this round.

Banned for Life vs Ruben Comes- Banned for Life (Alan) is one of the best with 1.b3. It should be interesting to see how Ruben combats this expert with the Larson System.

Sebastian Boehme vs David Evans- These two have crossed paths before on the freestyle field before. I took great interest in this match because Sebi has 1 on the highest winning % with the white pieces in the field and hasn't last a white game on FICGS. That I have seen. I can bet on some fireworks in this game.

Kamesh vs ppipper- Kam put on a good show with the white pieces vs one of the toughest opponents in the field (with my human eyes) and ppipper has done great with the black pieces. With both of his wins coming with the black pieces! O_o Should be fun :)

jitan vs Sebastian Boehme- Jitan is showing to be one of the top tier players in this event. I truly enjoy the tactical opening he played in his only win in the tournament so far in round 1 vs George. And gave Gino all he could handle in Round 2 (With my human eyes again) :)

A lot of the other games speak for themselves. Also keep on eye on Board 1 with Kevin. :)


Don Groves    (2011-05-21 08:36:13)
E point encouragement

What happens then when someone wants to cash in their ePoints? Thibault will have to keep track of how many were actually paid for vs. how many were free.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-20 13:38:04)
E point encouragement

That's another good idea made in Gray's industries :)

Okay, I'll do something like this!


Garvin Gray    (2011-05-20 12:23:33)
E point encouragement

I think to encourage people to buy more epoints, there should be a bonus system in place.

So it would work something like this:

Buy 10 epoints, receive 10 epoints
Buy 20 epoints, receive 22 epoints
Buy 50 epoints, receive 55 epoints.

And so forth.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-21 13:27:01)
E point encouragement

It does not change anything (at a first sight)... Do you have an example?


Don Groves    (2011-05-21 23:12:01)
E point encouragement

I buy 50 ePoints for 50 Euros then ask to cash in my 55 ePoints. Will you give me 55 Euros? If so, I now have an easy way to make money ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-21 23:53:26)
E point encouragement

Well, fortunately it doesn't work this way :)

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#prize


Don Groves    (2011-05-22 04:36:48)
E point encouragement

I'm not talking about prizes, I'm talking about when a member wants his or her money back from FICGS. If you don't keep track of how many of each member's ePoints are paid for and how many are bonus points, you will be paying back more than you received.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-24 02:41:34)
E point encouragement

Actually that's the case for a while :) .. And that's the aim... I hope to offer more and more prizes (Epoints or Money) in the future, even if it is quite slow for the moment. So I think that Garvin's idea is compatible with the current rules (by the way I offered many times up to 25% Epoints more when buying some)


Don Groves    (2011-05-24 02:48:56)
E point encouragement

OK, then it's not a problem.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-05-26 02:45:13)
I am exhausted

Hi Wayne,

Surely we all can understand what you feel at different levels, personal life is a great part of correspondence chess games, and sometimes we lose because of such factors (it happened to me as well, but you didn't need it to beat me :))... Such a situation is always really hard to accept, particularly after having fought during months/years like a lion just like you did here, but IMHO time will remind you (in days or months) that all this is definitely only a game after all.

Fortunately good games always remain... and bad ones are not so important. I learnt that.

Just do what you have to do.

All the best,
Thib


Wayne Lowrance    (2011-05-26 17:32:15)
I am exhausted

Thank you Jimmy so much. Your prayers will be much appreciated. I decided I would share the full extent of my problem.
My body is ravaged with arthritis. Have had it for man years Its in lower back, right hip and knee...no cartilage, bone on bone. It has progressed in last year. I have to take Pain killer drugs (Vicodin). A Operation is not an option. Doctors told me year or more ago this day would come. The Vicodin helps relieve pain but only for 2-4 hours.My mind is affected from the drug, all in all I am exhausted with chess pressure, trying to play at a level I am accustomed too. Drugs or no drugs, I am still in pain, I am invalid now, cannot walk, sitting hurts my hip, bah...on and on.
I was not gonna share the details but I wanted it known complete reason for my leaving CC world of chess that I love so much.
Wayne


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-05-26 21:28:42)
Winning Blitz chess

Hi friends,

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Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-05-31 20:44:13)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems

Read a review and get Maximum discount on GM Igor Smirnov Courses at

http://chessthinkingsystems.blogspot.com/


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-06-03 05:04:07)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems

Now watch six chess videos "How to Plan and Execute in Chess", "Breaking Stereotypes series 1,2 & 3", "How to prevent Blunders" and "How to break 3000 rating in blitz chess" all by GM Igor Smirnov free at

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Sebastian Boehme    (2011-06-08 02:45:02)
Improving visibility of draw offers

Hi guys,

have posted it in chat and thought I give it another shot here in forum too.

Sometimes players can maybe not see the draw offer, due to stress, playing the move quickly...
I know there is the little message box, like a letter below the game board that says "Draw has been offered".
But maybe there can be an improvement,i.e. a sort of colour....have seen it from other chess sites and there for example a red button
above the board has been implemented.

Or maybe some sort of red frame around the board in design could work it out. So in case of draw offerit gets visible.

I do not want to say players are too stupid to see a draw offer or anything like this, but maybe see it as a simplification for your eyes.

Just a wild idea, looking for comments, or not. ;)

Cheers,

Sebastian


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-06-13 18:39:31)
Improving visibility of draw offers

No problem for blink+red+anything, the real question is "where" it can be displayed so that everyone sees it for sure... Not so easy, but still thinking about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-06-13 18:44:21)
Unable to login for several days?

Hi all,

It looks like a few players are still unable to login (actually to access the whole website) during several days from time to time.

I thought I solved the problem a few months ago and I did not encounter this problem since that time, so I'm not sure about what happens for these players.

A trick may be to enter https://ficgs.com instead of http://www.ficgs.com in your navigator, it does not work every time but it may help sometimes.

If this issue happens to you, please describe what you can do and cannot do here... Let's try to figure it out.

Thanks for your help!


Scott Nichols    (2011-06-16 22:33:38)
Unable to login for several days?

I don't know if this was the solution, but after I e-mailed you, problem went away...


Gino Figlio    (2011-06-17 17:39:28)
Unable to login for several days?

I was unable to connect to the website for 24 hours with my home computer but did not have problems using my cell phone. This morning everything was fine. I guess this might be ISP related.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-06-23 04:21:19)
The rise of freestyle chess again.

Nice demonstration...

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=22155
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=22168


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-06-23 05:04:22)
The rise of freestyle chess again.

Yes this was what we was hoping for. The results of the match were not as important to me. The broadcast was good, there will be a tournament later on this year. And I will invite my FICGS friends to play. :) My hope is the that system will support all the games for the broadcast and we get good commentary (I will most likely be one of them :) ). My aim for a date is between Nov-Dec. As this will be in between the first WBCCC and the next. The server is easy to handle once you have a first games under your belt. You are able to run everything though the server. So you can run your engines and books in there. The first freestyle event will be probably be a smaller tournament around 30 people maybe. But my hope is by the 2nd or 3rd edition the we will have good size tournament.

Anyone wishing to try the server and play a game let me know and we will work something out.


Lalit Kapoor    (2011-06-28 10:39:04)
When a player declared winner?

The following tournaments are finished with no unfinished games but site does not declared the winner so far:

1. FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_A__000093 (last game finished on June 16, 2011
2. FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__TOURNAMENT_C__000049 (last game finished on May 24, 2011.)

Please let the players know about the rules upon this issue.


Charlie Neil    (2011-07-09 13:28:19)
Active rating lists

I don't understand how Thibault puts all this work in and a vocal few are unhappy. Chess should be fun as well as anything else. Thibault, if any one else complains just give them their money back!


Charlie Neil    (2011-07-09 14:06:19)
Active rating lists

That is possibly the wisest reply I ever heard to that problem.
It is up in my list next to "When Knowledge speaks Wisdom listens."


Gino Figlio    (2011-07-15 07:17:43)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament

Finishing games early in a tournament can cost you if the player you agreed to draw ends up losing interest and either resigns many games or withdraws.

Having said that, resigning games in equal positions could be grounds to a complain to the TD who may then question the player. If there is a valid explanation (health reasons for example) the player could be given the chance to submit games for adjudication instead of resigning.
I think the system should be ready for a change of results in these rare circumstances.
If the player does not have a valid reason for resigning games in equal positions the he should receive a penalty that prevents him from joining tournaments for a period of time (2 years maybe). The games should be sent to adjudication also. It's a lot of work but the effort provides a sense of added value to the site


Don Groves    (2011-07-15 19:56:40)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament

I agree with adjudication in these cases. It seems to be the fairest solution for all concerned.


Don Groves    (2011-07-16 12:21:27)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament

I don't think that is necessary if the withdrawn games are adjudicated since the problem pointed out earlier will not occur. The player(s) who earlier lost or drew a game with the one who withdraws from the tournament will not be penalized by everyone else getting a full or half point unless they earned it.


Don Groves    (2011-07-16 17:52:35)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament

I thought the original point was that those who lost or drew with the dropout would be penalized when the other players got the full point, even if they were losing or only even against the dropout. But if the referee adjudicates those remaining games, the full point will only be awarded if the dropout was losing anyway. Right?


Garvin Gray    (2011-07-16 18:02:39)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament

Thibault- I think I can offer you a solution to this from the fide laws of chess, tournament rules section.

These types of situations are already covered: http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=20&view=category

11. Where not all games are played

(c) When a player withdraws or is expelled from a round-robin tournament, the effect shall be as follows:

(d) If a player has completed less than 50% of his games, his score remains in the tournament table (for rating and historical purposes), but the points scored by him or against him are not counted in the final standings. The unplayed games of the player and his opponents are indicated by (-) in the tournament table and those of his opponents by (+). If neither player is present this will be indicated by two (-).

(e) If a player has completed at least 50% of his games, his score shall remain in the tournament table and shall be counted in the final standings. The unplayed games of the player are shown as indicated as above.

(g) Articles 10(e) and (f) also apply to team events; both unplayed matches and unplayed games must be clearly indicated as such.


Garvin Gray    (2011-07-22 18:21:01)
E point encouragement

No encouragement is currently being offered :s


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-07-23 01:56:02)
E point encouragement

It is now... Thank you Garvin!


Garvin Gray    (2011-07-23 16:54:42)
E point encouragement

From the my messages page=

Until october 1st 2011, you'll be given 10% E-Points more when buying at least 20 Epoints, 25% E-Points more when buying at least 50 Epoints. It is also possible to win E-Points by becoming an affiliate.

So I understand this correctly. If I buy 50 epoints, I get an extra 12.5 epoints, is that correct?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-07-23 19:12:28)
E point encouragement

That's right...


Don Groves    (2011-07-30 11:04:13)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH

Congratulations Eros! And thanks for your insights concerning correspondence chess.

Do you see any solution to the draw problem? For example, in soccer, the scoring was changed so that a win is worth more than two draws (two points for a win vs. one point for a draw). Could something like this be done in chess? Would it encourage players to take more chances and resist drawing lines?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-07-31 03:12:58)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH

Hi Don, you mean the draw problem in chess or correspondence chess? Drawish lines by White or/and Black?


Don Groves    (2011-07-31 10:29:47)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH

I mean the problem of most games being drawn because of ever greater improvement in both hardware and chess engine software. Making wins more valuable could entice players to not settle for draws as easily as they do now.


Jai Prakash Singh    (2011-08-02 05:12:20)
A strong Opening Surprise

hi friends,
now watch an original new video analysis by GM Igor Smirnov
A Strong Opening Surprise by White 1.b3 (Part 2-All Black replies except e5)
at http://chessthinkingsystems.blogspot.com/


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-08-02 15:04:21)
A strong Opening Surprise

Could be an interesting future thematic tournament...


Gino Figlio    (2011-08-03 19:58:34)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH

Eros,

It looks like we get to play again but this time it will be for a FICGS championship Final. Hopefully I understand the Semifinal tiebreak rules correctly otherwise this would be pretty embarrassing...

Best of luck,

Gino


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-08-03 20:29:36)
@Gino

Hi Gino, you understand the semi-final tie break rules! Congratulations for another win in the knockout cycle. That will be another interesting match (the 8th FICGS knockout final) to follow! :)


Paul Valle    (2011-08-08 03:23:41)
My favorite chess sets:

Bauhaus:
http://www.retrotogo.com/2010/07/naef-bauhaus-chess-set-by-josef-hartwig.html

Edible:
http://www.biggles.uk.com/wow/edble_chess.html

Empire:
http://www.houseofstaunton.com/product_p/menwemp44.htm

Mechanics:
http://www.houseofstaunton.com/product_p/menwmch425.htm

Platonic:
http://www.yankodesign.com/2005/07/20/platonic-chess-by-patricia-tower/

Tesla:
http://design.fr/product-design/chess-set-for-tesla-vacuum-tube-chess-set-to-attract-young-followers/

Wobble:
http://walyou.com/luxurious-wooden-chess-set-wobbly-pieces/


Don Groves    (2011-08-09 04:51:24)
My favorite chess sets:

Empire: http://www.houseofstaunton.com/product_p/menwemp44.htm

This set is beautiful!


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-08-10 03:42:40)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament

I have been pretty busy lately, and have been thinking about a lot of different things chess related. Some of you know that I have talked about and planed for a freestyle chess tournament in the near future. Here is a few notes for it and I would like to pass on some ideas and get some opinions. I can safely say that we can have a freestyle event between Nov-Dec and the 2nd part of it is that it won't be around Christmas. Oh ok here is what I would like to get an opinion on. 2 questions

1) What tournament timeline sounds better? (a) A Saturday-Sunday tournament or (b) Saturday-Next Saturday. I would say that 5 or 6 rounds is what we would go with. That should be plenty for a 20-30 person first tournament. That is what I'm predicting I don't know for sure.

2nd Question- What is a reason time control?

Oh ok the leading time control idea for me is 60min+30sec per move. Anyone see a problem with this one? I like this because its not a huge time spent and there is still room for the human element in the freestyle game.

All comments are welcome thanks for any input! :)

Jimmy


Garvin Gray    (2011-08-12 16:22:08)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament

I think if you are going to close entries early and post pairings for round one, then there will need to be a decent entry fee.

If entry is free and pairings are posted early, it is extremely likely that one or more people will pull out through dis-interest, when in all likelihood they were not that interested in the first place and as soon as the pairings are posted, they realise the full magnitude of having entered the competition.

While an entry fee will reduce the total number of entries, it will certainly make your life easier in actually running the competition.

Another idea is to introduce a bond system. Everyone pays a set amount up front and then those who have played all rounds get their money back. Those who do not complete the competition for any reason do not get their money back.

Especially relevant with more than one night competitions.

Thinking more about time zones, for what I favour depends on number of days and number of rounds.

If just two days, then I favour Saturday/Saturday. If more than two days, I favour Friday/Saturday/Saturday.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-08-13 23:38:58)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament

Oh ok if I had to swing in right now. It would be a Sat-->Sat event. 5 or 6 rounds depending on how many want to play. The time control at the moment would be 60+30sec. It seemed to work for FICGS freestyle cup. I guess the question is how many hours are we willing to go for a day.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-08-13 23:41:04)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament

I guess the only real difference at the moment form my tournament to the FICGS freestyle cup is doing it on 2 Saturdays instead of Saturday and Sunday. I feel like this is a slight benefit that most seem to agree with.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-08-19 11:43:45)
Rybka banned from ICGA

Clone or not clone, I'm not sure if this question is worth something in computer chess but ICGA did it: Rybka was banned and stripped of titles...

I just partly read RybkaInvestigation document, a few points are particularly ridiculous (like 2.2 "Sudden Strength Increase"), I have no idea on the other ones and I'm not sure if this is really important in the real world.

Finally, the punishment:

- to strip Rajlich of all ICGA Tournament Titles and,
- force the return of trophies and prize funds to the ICGA and,
- ban his programs from future competitions until he can satisfy the ICGA that they are no longer derivatives and that he has satisfied the conditions of any other penalties the ICGA imposes.
- encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.


ICGA Panel Members

The Secretariat members:
Robert Hyatt - (Crafty, Cray Blitz, World Computer Chess Champion in 1983 and 1986)
Mark Lefler (author of Now)
Harvey Williamson (part of Hiarcs Team)
Panel members:
Albert Silver (software designer for Chess Assistant (1999-2002); currently editor of
Chessbase News (2010-present))
Amir Ban (author of Junior: World Champion 2002, 2004, 2006, World microcomputer
Champion 1997, 2001)
Charles Roberson (author of NoonianChess)
Christophe Theron (author of Chess Tiger)
Dariusz Czechowski (author of Darmenios)
Don Dailey (author of Cilkchess, Star Socrates, Rex, Komodo)
Eric Hallsworth (part of Hiarcs Team, Publisher of Selective Search magazine)
Fabien Letousky (author of Fruit)
Frederic Friedel (Chessbase.com)
Gerd Isenberg (author of IsiChess)
Gyula Horvath (author of Pandix, Brainstorm)
Ingo Bauer (Shredder team)
Jan Krabbenbos (Tournament Director of Leiden tournaments)
Kai Himstedt (author of Gridchess and Cluster Toga)
Ken Thompson (creator of Belle Chess Machine, World Computer Chess Champion
1980, Turing Award winner 1983, creator of B and C programming languages,
Unix and Plan 9 developer).
Marcel van Kervinck (author of Rookie)
Maciej Szmit (assistant professor at Technical University of Lodz)
Mark Watkins (MAGMA Computer Algebra Group, School of Mathematics and
Statistics, University of Sydney)
Mark Uniacke (Hiarcs, World Microcomputer Champion 1993)
Mincho Georgiev (Pawny)
Olivier Deville (Tournament Director of ChessWars)
Omid David (author of Falcon)
Peter Skinner (Tournament Director of CCT--the major annual online computer chess
tournament)
Ralf Schäfer (author of Spike)
Richard Vida (author of Critter)
Richard Pijl (author of The Baron)
Stefan Meyer-Kahlen (author of Shredder, multiple world champions from 1996-2007)
Thomas Mayer (author of Quark)
Tord Romstad (author of Stockfish, Glaurung)
Tom Pronk (ProChess, Much)
Vladan Vuckovic (Axon, Achilles)
Wylie Garvin (game Programmer at Ubisoft Montreal)
Yngvi Björnsson (The Turk)
Zach Wegner (author of ZCT and Rondo, an upgraded version of Anthony Cozzie’s
Zappa program, which was world champion in 2005)
ICGA Board
President - David N.L. Levy
Vice-President: Yngvi Björnsson
Secretary-Treasurer: Hiroyuki Iida
Programmers Representative: Rémi Coulom
WCCC Tournament Director
Jaap van den Herik

http://www.chessvibes.com/plaatjes/rybkaevidence/RybkaInvestigation.pdf

http://www.chess.com/news/rybka-banned-and-stripped-of-titles-3798

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQshTNJ4pSM


Scott Nichols    (2011-08-22 22:39:35)
Comments anyone?

Hi Thib, I was wondering two things about the comments. First, can you please refresh them with each page refresh? Unless we refresh manually, we can't see if someone wants our attention or a game. Second, can you make it so only you or the person who wrote a specific comment can erase them? There is someone who gets perverse enjoyment out of erasing comments here, sheesh, :)


William Taylor    (2011-08-24 13:33:12)
Comments anyone?

Thib - can you see who has removed messages? If so, perhaps you can caution people who remove them for no obvious reason, and remove their ability to do so or ban them from the site if necessary.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-08-24 14:21:32)
Comments anyone?

Maybe have a few long time members have mod powers.


Scott Nichols    (2011-08-24 15:27:13)
Comments anyone?

Good reasoning Thib, I understand now. Maybe a private chat option, so we could ask someone for a game that would appear on their screen right away. Or just to talk to them without everyone seeing....


Don Groves    (2011-08-25 00:38:34)
Comments anyone?

I like Jimmy's suggestion. Pick a few members whose judgement you trust and allow them to delete any message. Many sites have have more than one moderator -- one person cannot be online 24/7, not even Thib ;-)


Philip Roe    (2011-09-19 21:44:13)
Phantom ficgs

Hi Thibault,

This happens on an HP Pavilion laptop, when I connect using either IE or Firefox.

There is no apparent pattern to the messages. Just now I got a line from Wikichess, a tornament start announcement, a note from you, part of a thread on Game 58473, advice that a player has just logged on. They seem to be things that have recently appeared above the chat bar.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-09-20 14:43:35)
Phantom ficgs

I have no idea yet on how to solve this rare (obviously) problem :/ Did you try Garvin's suggestion to use https ?

It started recently only? So it worked on the same computer before?! Don't you have any idea of what changed at this moment on your computer? (installation of java any addon...)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-09-27 11:43:12)
About lag (timestamp system) for bullet

Just answering a question I just saw in the chat: no, there is no timestamp system at FICGS. Actually I made those bullet/lightning/blitz time controls while I had the worst (!) broadband in the world (until last year), according to me it was long enough even for a few seconds lag. The other reason is that I experienced the timestamp systems on ICS and other sites at this time and it didn't work so well. Anyway, we should probably use a software to use this system, and cheating would probably be possible then.


John Schutte    (2011-09-27 17:49:56)
About lag (timestamp system) for bullet

Thanks Thib,
I lost a game in a winning position due to lag last night. In Africa we sometimes have very bad lag.


Garvin Gray    (2011-09-29 03:38:37)
Next game feature

Hello Thib and all,

I have been using the next game feature for a while and I would like to see a change to it.

Would it be possible that this feature auto defaults to the game with the shortest amount of time remaining?

I am not sure what the current setting is, but it seems a bit random which game it moves to next.

I think changing this feature so that it moves to the game with the least amount of time remaining would be a helpful and useful change.

Cheers,

Garvin


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-09-30 22:07:12)
Feature request

Hi Don ;)

"Then we would know which games to look at next"... or not to look at next :) I'm not sure if so many players would take care of this feature (that was already discussed), or even if they would like to receive more moves to play.

I have a few other reasons not to implement this: size of names in the page, calculation time of the page...


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-09-30 23:22:17)
Next game feature

Hi Garvin. We tried this already and there was some problems: if we choose the game with the shortest amount of time remaining, if it is a game you don't want to play right now, it appears again and again... it was really annoying :/ The current method avoid this and I didn't find something else efficient enough.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-10-04 21:41:38)
IP not banned

Hello Vjacheslav, no your IP is not banned, this is a recurrent problem that happens sometimes (but that did not happen for quite a long time), a few people (I had the problem too) were not able to connect to FICGS server during a few hours, a few days at most.

Sorry about that, still no way to solve this problem :/


Garvin Gray    (2011-10-05 14:56:35)
Chess world championship #10

Hello Thib,

Instead of the site showing the list of names in order of entry, would it be possible to show them in rating order?

Or to provide both lists?


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-10-05 19:44:45)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin

I'm ready to announce, that the first tournament for the freestyle cup will begin 10 days form today on Oct 15th. The first tournament will be 20m+30s. Since right now we have a large number of American players we will probably start in the early morning in the Americans. I figure this to be the best. So 5-7am Central standard time Or 6-8am Eastern Standard time. I would like to get in at least 3 rounds in on Saturday and see how everyone is. We may do one, but 3 is a safe bet. Then we will finish the tournament next Saturday at the same time. There will be some time between for a break probably 20 to 30 minutes. In the next post I will explain what you need to do to get the the free server and what to do once you get it. A lot of you have a user name and password already (WBCCC) but if you don't I will help you with that. One thing I will say is important is to make sure you leave open a chat window with me. In case you run into any problems. I can answer most problems, if not there will be someone there to help assist me. If I need it.


George Clement    (2011-10-10 17:27:48)
Opponents time

Tibault would it be possible on the "My games" page to post the opponents time left to make a move. You already have the time for the game owner.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-10-11 11:30:51)
Opponents time

Hello George, the problem is double: there isn't place enough on the page, and the page would be much longer to calculate while taking account of vacation for each player. Sorry :/


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-10-11 11:38:19)
Change country settings

Both nationalities is a problem indeed :) In the case of a change, you can ask me to do the necessary. Thanks!


Don Groves    (2011-10-12 11:41:02)
Go Komi 7.5, advantage for Black/White?

Why not leave the decision to the champion and let him/her choose? Then no one has to guess what their opinion might be. Seems a simple solution to me...


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-10-28 21:41:42)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin

I said to Jimmy it should happen in november... end of november. I'm to open a discussion about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-10-28 22:16:09)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

Hi all,

The 4th FICGS freestyle tournament may happen on december 3 & 4 (2011) - three rounds each day at 13:00, 15:00, 17:00 server time. The format should be the same (30 minutes + 15 seconds per move) than the previous one.

That's quite a good moment IMO, just before the start of the next championship cycle.

What do you think? Any suggestions?

Thank you,
Thibault


Garvin Gray    (2011-10-29 15:41:40)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

Hmm I seem to be repeating myself :) Jimmy, one round per week, 90 minutes plus 30 secs.

Run it over seven or so weeks, a player can take a no explanation half point bye if they wish and then that will fill the time between WBCCC's.


Scott Nichols    (2011-10-29 17:53:04)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

The more the merrier, :) I'm down for all of them....


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-10-29 21:23:06)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

We shouldn't talk about several tournaments at the same time... quite confusing. So this is a thread about the next FICGS freestyle tournament only. Who would be interested to play this week end (december 3, 4) ? (starting with me, of course :))

Thanks :)


Des Jefferis    (2011-11-12 13:56:54)
World Championship

The whole process seems a bit weird. Why not just put everyone in groups and let the winners go through to the next stage, or maybe the top 2 (or 3 or 4).


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-11-13 19:52:28)
List ordered by rating

Here is, but as usual the new ratings (january 2012) will be taken in account...

Erwin Thiering 2515
Michael Bergmann 2475
Xavier Pichelin 2454
Thibault de Vassal 2449
Herbert Kruse 2436
Pavel Háse 2332
Ljubomir Tsenkov 2314
Rubén Cómes 2300
Wayne Lowrance 2266
Dariusz Fraczek 2261
Ramil Germanes 2255
Miroslav Gazi 2255
Alexander Blinchevsky 2253
Michael Sharland 2251
Sergey Kokoryukin 2251
Andrey Razumikhin 2250
Valery Nemchenko 2245
Lubos Fric 2241
Kevin D. Plant 2237
Christoph Schroeder 2236
Viktor Shishkin 2234
Slobodan Ilic 2218
Dmitri Mamrukov 2211
Vitaly Rudenko 2203
Alvin Alcala 2203
Carlos Sánchez 2203
Garvin Gray 2200
Scott Nichols 2189
Peter Unger 2181
Martin Zeman 2181
Christian Koch 2167
Stephen Hamby 2163
John Schutte 2136
David Evans 2132
Nelson Bernal Varela 2130
Darren DiAlfonso 2123
Ardiantez Polkwitzauer 2123
Thomas Dineen 2118
Peter W. Anderson 2112
Steve Lim 2110
Yu Ming Hoe 2100
Arkadiusz Wosch 2093
Djordje Kasabasic 2093
Luis Flores 2084
Daniel Parmet 2083
Lalit Kapoor 2080
Erik L. van Dijk 2074
Bernd Wolf 2072
Jose Lopez 2071
Sergey Uzdin 2064
Rodolfo d Ettorre 2064
Janos Helmer 2063
Om Prakash 2053
Mykola Simashkevitch 2043
Alexis Duenas 2037
Ireneusz Kasznia 2036
Mihail Larsky 2028
Joop Simmelink 2026
Pan Hardfeldt 2020
Henri Muller 2000
Jaroslav senior Pech 2000
Jaroslaw Gibas 2000
Bogoljub Teverovski 1997
Willy De Waele 1996
Fernando Vasquez 1992
Jose Moreira 1979
Andrew Endean 1975
Henri-Louis Muller 1972
Jose Maria Velasco 1972
Jordi Domingo 1969
Janeen Walden 1958
Andy Richard 1956
Roberto Migliorini 1949
Erika van Dijk 1943
Daniel Reboredo 1938
Coco Maceda 1938
Michael Rogers 1933
Aleksandr Aksenov 1927
Mariusz Maciej Broniek 1923
Robert Wilhelm 1901
Kieran Moore 1900
John Dyson 1889
Catalin Nita 1888
Daniel Jabot 1878
Johanes Suhardjo 1875
Mikhail Ruzin 1871
Benjamin Block 1863
Ilmar Ambos 1859
Vyacheslav Shchelykalin 1859
Jan Peter Lommler 1844
Stanislas Gounant 1840
Mircea Hrubaru 1838
Sasha Lipsits 1833
Nilson Pereira 1833
Aleksey Payzansky 1804
Jai Prakash Singh 1800
Fredi Brumec 1800
Gleen Duran 1800
Josef Strohmeier 1800
Ryszard Sternik 1776
Stepan Pech 1767
Dieter Faust 1764
Dmitriy Malish 1760
Dimitrios Ropokis 1743
Hasan Kirali 1715
Eddit Moreul 1700
Behzad Shahmiri 1700
Jaimie Wilson 1684
Dinesh Bhandarkar 1682
Philip Roe 1667
Olli Ylönen 1660
Graham Cridland 1655
Juan Alvar 1653
Jeremy Banta 1644
Luís Gonzaga Grego 1643
Pablo Siciliano 1623
Mariusz Jandula 1600
Sergey Biryukov 1598
Alejandro Canovas 1589
Jimmy Huggins 1577
Matthew O Brien 1575
Pablo Ruano 1565
Khaled Toutaoui 1528
Stanimir Denchev 1505
Leo Malagar 1500
Richard Hendricks 1479
Eric Price 1469
Antonio Pereira 1456
Angelo Piantadosi 1420
Simon Huxtable 1388
Peter Krakovsky 1326
Marc-Antoine Leurette 1243
Jorge Orden 1204
Hana Pechova 1204
Jorma Häkkinen 1192
Des Jefferis 1186
Deon Whittaker 1111
Matej Pech 1074
Jiri Mach 1022
Cédric Cavaillé 1003
Jay Melquiades 0909
Jaroslav Pech 0697


Robert Mueller    (2011-11-15 19:03:39)
WCH_SEMI_FINAL_000009

Hello Thibault,

When will the WCH 000009 KO semifinals start? I believe all quarterfinals games are finished.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-11-16 19:21:56)
WCH_SEMI_FINAL_000009

Hello Robert,

As we cannot go faster than music (I mean round robin tournaments) it will start on january 1st, 2012.


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-11-28 10:38:22)
WBCCC 2 sign up and WBCCC 1 review

After an exciting WBCCC 1, Own Champion ppipper (José Sanz) wins with a finally score of 7.5 out 10. FICGS top players were in a tied for 2nd with Timothy Cookson, Sebastian Boehme, and Ruben Comes. Credit also has to go to David Evans who had ppipper as White in the last game. And went all out to beat him. In the end Jose pulled out the win with black. For those interested I highly recommend you read this article. About the champion talked about his tournament games.

http://www.chesscafe.com/chessok/chessok.htm

Now I wanted to go a head and open up the sign up for the 2nd edition of WBCCC and tell everyone about the improvements and add ons.

The first major improvement on WBCCC is that it will have a simple to use conditional move system. With our easy downloadable client we use. There is also going to be a 2nd tournament for those who prefer a little more time than own standard tournament of 30days per side. In the 2nd tournament that is going to be called Rybka Forum Grand Prix. Is going to be 30day for the first 40 moves and 30 days Sudden Death after that. So basically you get 30 more days for 40 moves on your clock. Now here is a few more things to know about the tournament. After each move, if you request it. You can have your move noticed to you by email. This is good for the busy person who doesn't check the game forums all the time. The other thing added to the tournament is that there will be a file on hand for everyone to check to see what sites everyone plays on it a head of time. This is good for guys who like to prepare for there opponent. As for other fun things offered. I finalize with chesspublishing.com that they will help for own best game per round and the winners will get there games analyzed by the top players there and will publish them on the forum. Which I can expand to here and the other forums I promote at. For some were scared of the time control, but in truth we only had 2 games time out, but this was because they left there games. Which was a disappointment, but 2 games over a whole tournament was very good! If you maybe interested, but are unsure about the time. I recommend talking to me and when can have a test game to see if you can handle it. Most know with in a week or 2 if they can do it or not. Thanks for the support of Thib and everyone that played this year and anyone that will try this next year!

Jimmy


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-11-28 10:57:39)
WBCCC 2 sign up and WBCCC 1 review

Another great piece in the article is that of Nelson Hernandez. Who probably not many of you know of. He has been part of a 2 man team that has been very success in freestyle chess. He won one of the major championships know as the PAL/CSS which was sponsored by playchess (chessbase). Anyway to those who know him. He has a vast book that he has been working on for years and is a very respectable member of the Rybka Forum.

The game insight he gave in the article. That of 2 long time members of FICGS Kevin Planet and Sebi Boehme was very well done to say the least.


Don Groves    (2011-11-30 05:50:01)
New feature to block messages

I didn't know this was such a problem...


Jimmy Huggins    (2011-11-30 07:51:22)
New feature to block messages

I have had a couple guys get me to the point of just wanting to resign the game. So I didn't have to listen to them anymore.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-01 19:20:12)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

Hi all, as a reminder the tournament starts this saturday, december 3 at 1pm. / 13:00 server time !!

Good luck :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-04 19:54:16)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

Garvin, about your suggestion: what about forfeits due to connection problems?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-05 16:31:24)
Who wants a Freestyle GO tournament soon?

Hi all, this discussion to see if we would have players enough to organize a first Freestyle GO tournament...

You can see the rules in "Waiting lists" > "Go freestyle cup"

Any players interested to play such a tournament for example in january? (I'm one of them of course :))


Graham Philips    (2011-12-05 17:22:45)
Who wants a Freestyle GO tournament soon?

Yeah, sounds like a good idea, not sure enough how the timing works for them though ?


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-06 12:05:27)
4th FICGS freestyle cup

Garvin, about your suggestion: what about forfeits due to connection problems?

Well for situations outside their control, no penalty. But the issue is how to rule on that and what stops a person from dis-connecting and then saying not my fault, isp issues or the like.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-13 10:09:29)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

Thib,

Do you really mean f6 or d6 as black's second move?

Cheers,

Garvin


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2025-02-25 22:56:30)
Next thematic tournament

It is time for the next thematic: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-13 22:39:42)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

f6 ... just another tough line to try :)


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-14 08:52:43)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

Thanks Thib. Was hoping for d6, but ahh well.


Sebastian Boehme    (2011-12-14 14:27:16)
5 player double round robins

Another thing I noticed, which may be interesting....I saw that on another chess server....
As soon as you join a waiting list with already existing players on that list, then your games with them start, regardless of how many are still needed to fill up the tourney.
Worth a try?

Cheers,

Sebi


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-14 15:39:33)
5 player double round robins

Hi Sebi, sure it's an interesting system! I've explained why I was not favourable to this here though (I did not find the discussion, quite old one). In brief less excitement (IMO), games influenced by each other result, this is just too confusing & different.

Same for double roound robins, I like this format much but it would slow down even more the other tournaments... Be patient guys, let's play bullet games :)


Don Groves    (2011-12-14 16:42:13)
5 player double round robins

I don't understand that either. How would it slow them down?


Peter W. Anderson    (2011-12-15 17:16:25)
Holiday

It seems to be within the rules for people to take lots of small holidays in quick succession. At the end of the year, this can be used as extra time on the clock - work out all your replies whilst you are on vacation, wait for your holiday to finish, play your moves, and put yourself on holiday for another day or two.... and just keep doing this over and over again and your clock will go up rather than down!

I would like to suggest a rule change for the Rapid games: every time you put yourself on vacation you lose a day on your clock for all your games. It does not completely solve the problem but it helps.

It has the downside of people who really are about to go on must make sure that they have at least a day on each clock. However, in my opinion the benefit outweighs the disadvantage.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-15 18:10:53)
5 player double round robins

Thib, are you saying that you are considering creating a whole new third category of chess tournaments?

We currently have standard and rapid, all seven player tournaments. Are you proposing that we have a third category, which are five player double round robins?

If you are proposing a whole new third category, then I am not in favour of this idea. We are having enough issues filling the tournaments we already have, I think adding a whole new set of tournaments will just make this situation worse, where players are sprinkled around the three events, but not enough join one particular one to get any of them started.

We have enough players on this site that tournaments should be able to start. So it is not like we are completely short of players in certain categories.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-15 20:58:46)
Holiday

Any other opinion? The idea looks interesting even if I'm not favourable to such a rule change that would make things a little bit more complicated... and rapid time control is hard enough IMO, it seems just fair to me to be able to have some extra time at the end of the year (which is not the case for everyone).

Interesting anyway!


Daniel Parmet    (2011-12-17 00:29:00)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

I would love a From with d6 but if f6 bloody well forget it.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-17 13:17:47)
Holiday

Thib: I noticed that in case of an accident or illness, the player does/can not take days leave... :/ I did not find the perfect rule there yet...

Garvin: I am not sure part of the above was a quote from someone else, but anyways.

I think if a person has timed out some gaems through accident/illness and was unable to put themselves on vacation, then if they send a copy of their medical certificate to you (Thib), then that should be acceptable to get games re-instated, or time re-instated if the amount of time lost was substantial and in your opinion could cause some difficulties.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-18 19:04:45)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

There will be one soon for sure :)


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-21 16:51:54)
5 player double round robins

DRR's are especially important in the thematic tournaments where sometimes the thematic is not a good one and one side gains a guaranteed advantage.

The current thematic of f4 e5 fxe5 f6 could be a good case in point.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-22 18:47:03)
5 player double round robins

I agree that more regular games would be played on the site (on the white/black advantage also), but wouldn't it mean less players in the championship cycles?

It would be somewhat more difficult to control the number of total running games and IMO it's less fun also but anyway I'm ready to consider a change for the whole tournaments structure (for chess & maybe Go) if most players think it's a good idea, I'll send an email to all players about that (and other things) very soon.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-23 00:24:35)
5 player double round robins

Thib, the proposal is only talking about the general standard/rapid and other all entry tournaments (thematic for instance).

My proposal is not about changing tournaments like the ficgs world champs to 5 player drr's as they have no issues with getting players to join.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-23 17:05:47)
5 player double round robins

To try and accommodate a few concerns of some, I think there are three possible options.

1) Change both standard and rapid divisions to 5DRR.

2) Change just one of standard or rapid to 5PDRR and leave the other as 7SRR.

3) Create an entire new division with 5DRR and leave the current standard and rapid as they are.

I think option 2 would be the most useful in providing information on whether the change is successful.

Option 1 is the most committal, as it is changing everything.

Option 3 is worth consideration, but it could lead to insufficient numbers across all three divisions. It could also 'suffer' and not provide useful feedback if the time control and rating bands chosen are not suitable.

If Option 3 was considered, it would need to be something between standard and rapid, perhaps 14 days initial plus 3 days increment.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-24 17:42:57)
money prize tournaments

Hello Alexis,

Yes, it would be very easy to create such tournaments. We had no players with Epoints enough a few years ago for this. Maybe it is time now.

Who would enter such a waiting list among these possibilities?

1. Rated 7 players single round robin tournament, no rating range, 20 epoints entry fee
2. Unrated 7 players single round robin tournament, no rating range, 20 epoints entry fee
3. Rated 5 players double round robin tournament, no rating range, 30 epoints entry fee
4. Unrated 5 players double round robin tournament, no rating range, 30 epoints entry fee

Both rated & unrated options have inconvenients IMO... Any better idea? The prize would be about 96 to 100% entry fees.

(by the way, this may partly solve the problem of the other discussion about double round robin tournaments)


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-24 17:44:25)
5 player double round robins

Maybe we have a beginning of answer in this new discussion:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=10165

Do you think that rated or unrated 5 players double round-robin would (partly) solve the problem?


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-24 18:29:54)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

Okay, I just changed the From gambit line for the next thematic. Now it is with d6 !!


Daniel Parmet    (2011-12-24 19:33:09)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

awesome! Thanks!


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-25 02:20:10)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

And have entered this one too


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-25 15:42:00)
Achieving playing norms

I have just started playing in tournaments on here that are able to earn norms and looking at the score for getting a norm, they seem rather high.

For getting a FEM norm, with a field of 2200+, the score is 4.5/6. Considering how many games are actually won between players over 2200, achieving a score of 4.5/6 seems very difficult indeed, unless someone forfeits all their games, or some games are somehow otherwise affected.

I am wondering, do others think that score is too high and 4/6 might be more realistic for one norm.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-27 18:52:14)
Achieving playing norms

It is all explained here :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles


Scott Nichols    (2011-12-27 19:50:26)
Achieving playing norms

As soon as Class_M__000044 finishes I should get my third FEM norm, :)) I needed 4.5 of 6 and I finished 5.0 of 6. I think it is my style Alvin, I go out on many limbs trying for the win instead of draw. I have went 6/6 in M class, but on the other hand I've went 2/6 and maybe lower. The titles are HARD to get and something to be proud of.


Scott Nichols    (2011-12-28 21:21:04)
5 player double round robins

Another idea which I brought up a while back is to replace the unpopular Rapid_Silver 2-man with a Rapid_Silver tournament. There would be an entry fee, say 10 E-points, with the prize money going to the winner or the top 2. It would be unrated, only need e-points to join. No rating restrictions. Players like me and Ruben and others would jump right in. It would give lower rated a chance to play the top guns. I bet a lot of them would go for it, even if it cost them some money, it could be considered like a "lesson". Plus, I'm sure the top players would go for it also, easy money! You could make it from 5 up to 11 players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2011-12-28 21:45:00)
5 player double round robins

We agree on the idea, but do you think that it would at least partly solve the main problem of the discussion? I can prepare that within the next days.


Scott Nichols    (2011-12-28 22:48:20)
5 player double round robins

I do think it would, at least in part solve the main problem, nothing is 100% as we are finding out on that forum tournament. I think these days, seriously, if you put 10 Chessplayers in a room, you would have 9 different opinions. Maybe we could have a test to see if any of these ideas work. We need more input... If these ideas don't work, it's no big deal. This is still the best site out there IMHO, :)


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-29 10:24:38)
5 player double round robins

I would still prefer 5 player drr's, but 4 player drr is acceptable.

All I want is this idea to start, whether it is 5P, 4P or Thib's idea of Maybe we have a beginning of answer in this new discussion:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=10165

Do you think that rated or unrated 5 players double round-robin would (partly) solve the problem?

=======================

The only issue I have with this idea is the unrated part. All games need to be rated.

If its not rated, its not real :) and also it unrated games do not solve some of the rating band issues all of us have discussed previously.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-29 10:30:09)
WBCCC 2012 Binding Poll:

Over at www.rybkaforum.net, World Blitz Correspondence Chess Championship begins in a couple of weeks.

There is now a poll out at http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=23854 which is to decide how many rounds will be played (10 or 12) and also when round times will be announced (start of tournament or near end of a round).

For those players who are thinking of entering, played last year or are interested and knowledgeable spectators, you can vote as per the instructions below.

The four options are:

1) 10 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed before the start of the tournament
2) 10 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed a few days before the end of a round
3) 12 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed before the start of the tournament
4) 12 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed a few days before the end of a round

As this preferential poll covers both options and will be binding, as in the final vote will be what format we will be using for WBCCC 2012, I am going to ask all voters to write in their votes.
As a write in system is be used, everyone has the option of choosing only one option if they want, or can allocate as many preferences as they want, up to 4 numbers in total.

So if a person only wants to vote for one number and does not want to allocate a preference, that is acceptable.

The reason for using write-in votes is three-fold:

1) All twenty four different options are evenly allocated
2) A voter can choose to allocate only one preference
3) It gives me the opportunity to see if all votes are genuine, rather than possibly the results being skewed by people who have no interest in playing in the tournament.

If a person does not feel comfortable posting their vote in public, but does want to record a vote, they can send me a private message, which will be counted in the total votes.

Voting will close Thursday January 5.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-29 15:59:17)
5 player double round robins

Off topic response- In my opinion if ratings are based on a decent system, then they do not need to be protected.

If someone loses a person 600 points below them and vice versa wins, they deserve the points result that those results indicate.

The issue, and I know you already know my opinion on this, is players who are put on some arbitary rating ie 1800, when their playing standard could be any number at all.

If unknown players had to earn their rating through a provisional rating system, then there would not have to be as many concerns.


Garvin Gray    (2011-12-29 16:11:44)
Different tournament format

Thibault has touched on an issue that I have thought about for a while, so time for a new thread.

Regularly it is discussed about the issues regarding the rating bands, getting to play different players and all sundry similiar issues.

In my opinion I think what this site really needs is more events run under the correspondence style format (not freestyle cup style), where players of significantly different ratings are playing against each other.

Here is what I envisage:

Qualification Stage:

All players of all ratings enter. Groups are divided up similar to Ficgs, except that no players are segregated, so the highest rated player is in Group A, second highest rated player in Group B and so forth.

Even numbers in each group, with a maximum of nine players in a group. There are no substitutes after a group begins.

There are no special groups for the highest rated players or knockout matches. (this is most important to distinguish this event from the WCH)

Final Stage(s):

The winners of each qualification group advance to the final stages, everyone else is eliminated. If there is a tie for first, then all tied players advance. If only one group is required, then this is the final.

If two groups are required, then it would be semi finals and normal round robin pairings would be used and the cycle repeats to get a final group of .... players.

To encourage the highest rated players to enter and to give everyone else a chance to win something substantial, e point entry fee would be 10 epoints.


Steve Lim    (2012-01-01 03:02:55)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS

After logging in to FICGS, if I stay on any page for more than a few secs. I will not be able to click on any links (eg. submitting a move). If I click on anything, I will get the following error..

No data received
Unable to load the webpage because the server sent no data.

Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Thanks.


Don Groves    (2012-01-01 09:10:56)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS

I have the same problem is another program is running but not if only the browser is running. Maybe it has to do with the browser...


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-01 20:05:53)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS

Quite strange... what browser do you use? Is FICGS the only site you encountered this problem with?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-01 20:12:07)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

Hi,

I've been told about a recurrent problem: is it fair to play against a stronger player who just lost 200 or 300 elo points because of many games lost on time (or whatever)?

IMO it is. Because as usual correspondence chess is not a matter of chess only. Of course such games may be harder for his opponents but there are good chances to see those games lost on time again (by experience).

Losing points is the only way to keep those games serious and protect players against this repeated again and again. So I don't think that rules should be changed, but any opinions & arguments are welcome here.


Don Groves    (2012-01-02 00:12:02)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

The rules allow a player who has entered a tournament to play in that tournament even if his/her rating drops below the minimum due to losing one or more games before the tournament begins. I agree that this is a good rule. However, if a player loses many games and drops more than 150 ELO (for example), maybe this rule should no longer apply to that player and he/her would be removed from that waiting list. This might prevent the situation described above.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-02 00:30:38)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

Ah. This is actually another problem :) I think there shouldn't be a change there, but the problem was actually e.g. if a chess player rated 2400+ loses 300 points, so he is now 2100 and enters a class A waiting list. Is it fair for the other 2100 players in that waiting list...


Don Groves    (2012-01-02 00:45:12)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

That seems fairer than letting him continue to play in SM or M. The same problem occurs when a player leaves FICGS with games running and comes back a year or so later. Is there any good solution to this?


Garvin Gray    (2012-01-02 02:05:43)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

I do not agree at all. I think there needs to be consequences for a person's actions, not just let off with no consequences, perhaps even get an advantage.

If there are mass time-outs, their rating should be returned to where it was (that is their correct playing standard), which means they can not enter the lower waiting list.

The idea that losing on time is part of the game only applies if the game was about 100 moves long and the game was short of time and someone used too much time on one or more moves.

But mass timing out of games is not a general part of the game at all. It is poor form and disrespectful to the site and the other opponents in the tournament and should be punished as such.

If they remain on the same rating, then they should certainly not be allowed to play in the event where they previously entered.

If a player has a legitimate reason for timing out so many games, they can take it up with the site administrator. That option always exists.


Don Groves    (2012-01-02 07:16:19)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

Who said anything about letting them off with no consequences?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-02 14:08:37)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

Statistically playing 1 game in a tournament against an underrated player is not so much while losing 200 or 300 pts means a lot... And once again, quite often underrated players because of a mass forfeit will forfeit again! There are well known examples (very strong players rated 1900-2000) here. IMO it's the only way to prevent mass time outs!

I played at IECG and I was very disappointed to see games with an advantage simply cancelled after 30 moves or so, because of a time loss or just "forfeit". That is a non-sense to me. Rated games have to be rated!

So you suggest to simply punish players by not allowing them to play tournaments anymore (during 1 year or so)!? On the other hand, if players do not lose rating points what to do if a player has recurrent problems and has to resign his games once every year. Then many ratings will be hustled.

At last what will be a legitimate reason? It is so... so complex.


Don Groves    (2012-01-03 07:29:49)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

Thib wrote: "So you suggest to simply punish players by not allowing them to play tournaments anymore (during 1 year or so)!?"

Who suggested this? Certainly not me!


Don Groves    (2012-01-03 07:32:14)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS

I think the issue has to do with my browser not responding fast enough to the server, so the server thinks there is no one here.

This seems to happen only when Houdini is running and using all cores 100% of the time.


Philip Roe    (2012-01-04 00:02:21)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts

There are players (who I could name if asked) who are capable of strong play but who start many more games than they finish. Whatever the outcome, there is little satisfaction to playing them. The problem with trying to impose any penalty is to identify them without closely policing the sytem.

A possible solution might be that players who have recently lost many short games could be restricted in the number of new entries that they can make.


Josef Riha    (2012-01-04 10:31:16)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS

Hello to all, open the taskmanager and then set the priority of iexplore or whatever you use to high.

This will solve most of the problems.


Don Groves    (2012-01-05 08:39:42)
Next Check box in browser

Salut, Thib -- When you implemented this feature, the My Games was updated every 30 seconds. But now, the My Games page updates whenever there is a move to make. So, is the Next Check box no longer useful, or is there another reason for keeping it?


George Clement    (2012-01-09 18:46:39)
Ratings UpDates

Why not update the ratings each month?
When you lose a few rating points and drop just below the minumum for the next class a player wouldn't have to wait for 2 months to get back into the class.


George Clement    (2012-01-10 17:37:36)
Ratings UpDates

Actually they do change after every game. It's just the "offical" published rating that is changed every 2 months. Check your history under preferences.


Garvin Gray    (2012-01-11 07:26:44)
5 player double round robins

how is this matter going in terms of changing one of the standard/rapids to 5PDRR?

No progress seems to have been made on changing it.


George Clement    (2012-01-12 17:59:39)
money prize tournaments

Heck, I'll go for 3,1


Alvin Alcala    (2012-01-17 10:26:08)
Time control for lightning games

I would go for:

60 min + 15 sec./move because it's the most popular time control for freestylers. Plus this time control more than compensate for the lack of hardware fire power to compete.

However, the current blitz time control is far too long, if you will observed the number of people who played the blitz time control is very few for the period of two years. So I would suggest to change this time control to 60 min + 15 sec./move for blitz and change the time control for lightning 30 min + 15 sec./move.

We can run a poll to see the choice of the other members.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-17 14:46:40)
Time control for lightning games

For Blitz 40 moves in 2 hours followed by 30 mins plus 30 secs per move is not possible... For now I can only set a time, an increment and a number of moves for the increment. What about 1 hour + 30 sec/move or 1 hour + 1 minute/move, that would be much faster already.

For lightning, IMO 20 min + 30 sec/move is still best but if other players prefer 1 hour + 15 sec/move or 30 minutes + 15 sec/move, I'll do the change.


Scott Nichols    (2012-01-17 17:52:37)
Time control for lightning games

To me, the lightning control is about right, but the Blitz is way to long. The original Blitz time control (which I can't remember) was much better.


John Schutte    (2012-01-17 19:19:01)
Time control for lightning games

I agree with Scott and Alvin, I don't have enough time for lighting longer than 20 or 30 with 30 increment, except maybe an occasional weekend, so I probably will give it a skip if increased. Keep the lighting and shorten the blitz.


Scott Nichols    (2012-01-17 21:48:55)
Time control for lightning games

Hmmm, I didn't remember it being that long, :) But, I definitely think it needs shortening, maybe 30 moves per hour, not sure.


Garvin Gray    (2012-01-18 16:52:39)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

And to add, I really am disappointed about the general direction this whole discussion has taken.

It was not my intention to create a tournament of this style when I asked for double round robin. It was my intention to get one of the standard or rapid's to change over to Double round robin, which has not occurred.

I am really starting to get the feeling that this site is starting to move away from the free part and is moving towards a paid site.

More and more tournaments are having entry fees attached to them, which is fine, but then if that is case then the free part of FICGS should be dropped.


Scott Nichols    (2012-01-18 17:37:40)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

I agree to the idea to change it to 10 Euro entry fee, 30 seems a bit high.


George Clement    (2012-01-20 17:12:38)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

When will we try the 10 E-point entry?


Garvin Gray    (2012-01-20 17:45:57)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

I do not think a few e points either way are going to make a difference to the 2400 players. What most likely matters to them is winning tournaments and titles.

So either way they were not going to enter these events.

Just to start stratching the record ;) my original idea was for these double round robins was for one of the divisions to be replaced with them, not to create a whole new division.

As it currently stands, I really do not see the point of this change as it feels like duplications of other areas of the site.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-21 15:26:16)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

I partly agree with you Garvin, but if only one of them is interested in money, it will make these open tournaments quite interesting. I'm still not sure which entry fee is best but it's worth a try with 30 Epoints IMO. By the way I don't think that these tournaments will start so often due to the time control. Let's wait and see.

About changing a whole division, I'm still not so favourable to this. Actually best would be to have 4 divisions (rapid DRR, rapid SRR, standard DRR & standard SRR but we have no players enough for this) but I'm not even sure if class DRR tournaments would be a good thing.

I prefered single round-robin from the start because it was the best way to prevent cheating, it is really hard to win points even with 3 or 4 accounts.

Still thinking about it anyway. (I know, it means delayed for a few months but I don't have a better idea right now :/)


Don Groves    (2012-01-31 07:35:34)
Server overload?

Lately I'm receiving email notifications of opponents moves several days after the move was made. Might as well turn them off...


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-31 19:48:15)
Server overload?

Ah. It happens sometimes... Usually it may take several hours/days to return to normal, plese tell me if the problem remains.

Is it the same (or just ok) for other people?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-02 00:47:23)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

Well, finally the most seems to want a change of the entry fee & prize. I'm not sure if it's a good idea but let's do it...

For technical reasons the entry fee & prize for the 1st tournament will change too, the 5 players just got back 20 Epoints each.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-02 15:28:34)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

Why naive? Actually I saw many many cheaters on other servers before to run FICGS, that's why I preferred single round-robin tournaments and I hope that is the reason why cheaters are rare here!

Anyway the answer is yes, a few players had several account and as far as I know they realized very quickly that cheating would take them more time than becoming GM :)


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2012-02-04 12:16:56)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

After the From gambit, what is next ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-04 14:54:47)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

Let's go for the Lasa gambit (1.e4 e5 2.c3 f5) :) we'll try a more classical opening after that


Mario Andreoni    (2012-02-07 13:53:02)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

Thibault,

could a player start (or propose) new tournaments (especially thematic ones)? If so, how?

Sorry if I cause you to reply to these questions for the one-millionth time :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-07 14:51:01)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament

Hello Mario,

Sure, feel free to suggest new thematic tournaments in this discussion or by email, we always need good ideas :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-08 20:15:35)
Server overload?

Finally I think I know where the problem came from, it may happen again but it will be progressively solved after that.


Don Groves    (2012-02-10 16:16:53)
annotated games

The Wikichess rules state:

"To add a complete game in Wikichess, just enter all moves and a commentary at the very last move, starting with "End of game : ", in example...

End of game : G. Kasparov - A. Karpov : 1/2-1/2 (Moscow)"

So it seems it is possible to add any game.


Don Groves    (2012-02-18 15:28:32)
Folding in Poker

We still have the problem though of not always showing all both hands in a showdown. The hold-em rules are that each hand in the final showdown is shown starting to the left of the dealer.

If no one folds, then both hands must be shown. If a player doesn't want to show his hand, he can do what Scott has suggested. But if the final bet is called, both hands should be shown.


Garvin Gray    (2012-02-18 17:00:06)
Folding in Poker

Don,

I remember making this same comment.

Just to clarify we are talking the same situation- River has been dealt, Player B calls, Player A shows their cards.

Now previously I have argued that Player B is also supposed to show their cards, but from watching quite a bit of the pro's playing poker and what they do in this situation is that if Player B sees that they are beat, they muck their hand.

So it seems that Player B is under no obligation to show their hand and instead can just concede.


Scott Nichols    (2012-02-21 18:48:24)
Folding in Poker

Another change I noticed (a big one) since I got out of the scene for a bit, is that the way the poker ratings are calculated. Did you change something Thib? They used to move up and down a lot faster. If you wanted to change the way the ratings were done then the "whole system" should have started from scratch. The old way, whoever happened to be on top or near the top, now has NO worry, they change so little they would have to lose dozens of games to just drop out of the top ten. At one point I was 2258 (highest ever), with this system nobody would have ever caught me. If you didn't change anything, then my apologies. If you did, then I think the whole system needs to be re-started.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-21 19:46:09)
Folding in Poker

I cannot remember any change for the poker rating rules!? See there:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_poker_holdem

When you win or lose a game against a similar rating, you still win or lose about 20 or 30 points so it goes quite quickly... And even faster under 2000.

The fact is that Nelson is really hard to catch :)


Garvin Gray    (2012-03-19 12:54:51)
Slow tournament entries

George, I have said before that I think that the best time control on here is 30 days initial time plus 3 day increment.


Don Groves    (2012-02-22 15:06:45)
Folding in Poker

The "whole system" should have changed when a few players were allowed to begin at ELO 1800 while the rest of us began at 1600. That was definitely not a fair situation.

What rating do new players begin at now?


Scott Nichols    (2012-02-24 03:49:19)
Folding in Poker

Sorry Thib, didn't mean to yell. That was why I had asked you if something had changed. The board moved around a lot quicker. Now it just SEEMS to never move from week to week or even month to month. I realize that when we first started the real strengths of the players were not known, maybe that is the reason. But you do admit you changed something, I would like to vote to change it back. Cheers, Scott


Don Groves    (2012-02-24 05:51:26)
Folding in Poker

Whatever is decided, please no more rules changes without discussion by members.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-24 23:46:04)
Folding in Poker

Yeah, that's another "interesting" point. The law is still quite fuzzy in France on all this but it seems that the government is decided to stop every money game including chess... I have no idea if they can do it (and it will probably change in a few months) but I prefer not to take any risk.


Garvin Gray    (2012-02-25 13:57:13)
Folding in Poker

Ok, the main question to me is-

Which system is more able to predict the rules of a match before it begins?

If it was the first system, then that should return. If it is the current system, then keep it.

A more responsive system is usually better, but in the case of ficgs, this may not be good for two reasons:

1) While in otb chess/poker, there are very few mass time outs by a player, online this can occur, as is seen 'regularly' on here.
2) In otb chess, players do not have any kind of official rating until they have played a certain number of games.

This then means those early games to not affect all the other players ratings, which is not the case on here.

In terms of predictive accuracy, which is more accurate? That is the only consideration for me.

When I said that the ratings should be re-run, I did not mean we should start the ratings from scratch and begin from day one.

What I was saying is that ALL the previous results should be re-fed back into the system with the new rating formula and the ratings adjusted accordingly.

Then this would give information to compare as it would contain one set of ratings all measured by the same rating formula.


Paul Campanella    (2012-02-26 19:44:53)
New Player Ratings

I started at a 1600 rating. Personally, I find it completely UNACCEPTABLE that new players start at 1800 because it is a misrepresentation of their poker skills.

I started playing poker approximately a year ago on this site and I had to work exceptionally hard to make it into the top 20. As a past low ranked 1600 player... it was not easy to advance my elo to 1800+. It took considerable time and dicipline to hone my skills and get to the B-Level Tournaments. Playing those lower ranked players developed my skill because it taught me to expect the unexpected and learn all about odds and player styles.

Allow me to present some examples of players in relation to starting point and current rating:

A) I started out as a 1600 player... there were many people that were low ranked. As of now, the only 2 players that I recall advancing from a low rank to the top 20 are Paul Campanella (#16) and Dmitriy Panov (#17).

B) Slobodan Ilic (#6) and Trond Amile (#11) are both high rated good players but the reality is that it is much easier for people like them who entered in as 1800 elo to advance to the top compared to people who entered in at 1600 elo.

Now it seems that all new players get a "free ride" to the B-Class Tournaments and 200 elo points for doing absolutely nothing!

Starting at 1600 elo and advancing through the ranks is the true definition of skill. In order for players' ratings to accurately represent their skills, EVERYONE should start at 1600 and WORK their way up!


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-27 02:22:02)
Folding in Poker

Well, mathematically poker ratings below about 1900 mean something of a different nature (level of course but also the number of games played) than ratings over 1900 because it is much easier to win points below 2000 (see rules) and it was even easier before february 2011, so it would be much easier after the change asked by Scott. A player who starts at 1600 will need to play more games than a player who starts at 1800 to reach 2000, but not necessarily to make more efforts. In addition there are ways to manage ratings to enter certain waiting lists more quickly. Also, considering the slow inflation that exists the contrary of what you say is true in a certain measure as well, new players will have to play more games than you to reach the top, actually the whole thing is really complex.

But... anyway I'll try not to change the rules again/too many times to avoid such (logical) reactions and that's why I take time to think about this one again.

I think that this change would make the poker ratings more attractive but less realistic and accurate so...... any other opinions? :)

Also, new players DO NOT get a free ride to the B class tournaments, many still start with 1600 according to the level they pretend when registering. So the difference is not so much, actually it may help you to climb the scale faster if you can beat a 1800 player easily... Really complex as I said but anyway I think that ratings are more accurate when players can start at different levels, because more players in the different categories mean more games in each one (players will find their rating faster) and because everybody do not lie every time. Everybody will not agree with this but I have a certain experience with the chess ratings now and I'm quite certain that most changes were good ones, so probably for poker.


Jimmy Huggins    (2012-02-27 05:33:45)
Folding in Poker

We should also not forget this is basically free poker, I remember playing Nelson once and was playing some good poker. We he started call me a lot of my raise with moderate at best hands and then beat me in the match. And if I remember right I heard him say the calls were made because it was free poker. So this is a whole other animal in itself. :)


Scott Nichols    (2012-02-27 16:39:04)
Folding in Poker

I think freestyle would be fun. I agree with you Thib that we shouldn't have real money poker, it could lead to all kinds of problems IMO.


Jimmy Huggins    (2012-02-28 06:16:59)
Folding in Poker

I played Scott in about an hour or so, I don't think its that bad. If it was the best of say just the best of 3 total, it would probably be better. Maybe its just me, I just have a hard time believing that it would take someone several days worth of time to consider the best move in poker, I bet at most its a few minutes. AND yes there are people who do it and I have seen them on everyday with not that many chess games.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-04 22:08:50)
FICGS poker ratings

Let's continue the debate that started in this discussion:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=10306

I'm still not sure of what is best but our top ranked poker player for a while (Nelson Bernal Varela) obviously participated to the discussion his way by resigning all his poker games to show us how much time it will take to regain his points.

His rating was about 2200, now 1924 and the date is march 4th, 2012.

As we're playing single round-robin tournaments only, the rating list was not so distorted but this is not at the advantage of class B players. Of course I do not encourage this behaviour in any way!

However, following the current rules on general forfeits I think that Nelson should continue his experiment so that we can learn from all this. In my opinion he'll reach the top rankings within a few months (particularly if he plays bullet games) which is quite short compared to correspondence chess.

This would actually justify - in my point of view (maybe Nelson's one too but I'm still not sure of what he's thinking about that) - the current poker rating system, so let's wait 1 month or 2 before to decide to make this change or not.

As a reminder, the initial proposal was: "should we change the poker rating rules so that we win or lose twice points after each game compared to now ?"


Scott Nichols    (2012-03-04 22:48:24)
FICGS poker ratings

An interesting challenge. I held the #1 spot for a long time and in truth lost interest and let myself slip down, playing rarely and then stopping for over a year I'm pretty sure. So just recently I announced my intentions to reclaim the #1 spot and hold it before this year is over.

Then soon "after" I said this, Nelson resigned his games to start this "experiment". IMO this is how, in addition to playing good poker, he achieved being able to stay #1 for long periods of time. First, you have to play as many games as possible, over a hundred or more. This will allow you to implement the second phase. That is you get to pick and choose which games to play out immediately an which to stop playing to continue at a more opportune time. e.g. Only finish the "winning" games to get to the top. Then when you have a sufficient lead to where a loss or two won't hurt your position, THEN play out the losing ones.

Thib quote from above " In my opinion he'll reach the top rankings within a few months (particularly if he plays bullet games) which is quite short compared to correspondence chess. " Well for him to do this, he will have to get by me, and others, this time. So consider the Gauntlet thrown down! Scott


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-04 23:01:30)
FICGS poker ratings

A problem is that it is impossible to enter new waiting lists when having more than 50 poker games running.

On the other point your strategy may work but at the end you'll probably lose many points... I prefer to lose the almost lost games before to win the almost won ones to have a stable high rating. Anyway it would take much time to sort, I prefer to play all games the same way.

That will be an instructive challenge for sure.


Paul Campanella    (2012-03-05 00:11:09)
FICGS poker ratings

Correction, Scott... you shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch because the number one spot will actually be mine one day! :)

I entered my first poker tournament on February 14th, 2011. In barely over one year, I have managed to raise my poker elo from 1600 to 2071 ... an increase of 471 points in, what I consider to be, record-breaking time!

Here is my proof...

http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__TOURNAMENT_D__000036.html

Considering the current situation, I am curious to know if there is anyone else that has managed to increase and maintain their rating by 471 points in such a short amount of time?

Not only do I have a winning record against you of 60%-40%, I also have a 50%-50% record against Nelson, which is better than almost everyone else on FICGS.

Regarding the experiment, Nelson will have to get by me as well. Since I am one of the only people on this site that does not have a losing record against him... it's not going be an easy quest. :)


Scott Nichols    (2012-03-05 00:16:41)
FICGS poker ratings

:) Good one Paul. There are about 6-10 players here that have a real chance to be #1 by end of this year. I consider you one of them.


Garvin Gray    (2012-03-04 23:47:06)
FICGS poker ratings

I am more alarmed than anything that a person's selfish actions, regardless of who they are, are not only tolerated, but are encouraged by statements like this:

However, following the current rules on general forfeits I think that Nelson should continue his experiment so that we can learn from all this. In my opinion he'll reach the top rankings within a few months (particularly if he plays bullet games) which is quite short compared to correspondence chess.

His actions now affect many players, which includes denying a place to someone in a tournament that he otherwise should not be allowed to enter ie class B tournaments where by all reports he is too good for.

How about we all do this to see how the rating system goes? I find his actions appalling and he deserves to be banned.

If this was done in chess, would the response be the same? If so and someone did it and the same response was given, I would be looking for another site to play at.

I believe people who act like this deserve to have their rating re-set and then spend quite a lot of time on the sidelines. They should forfeit all their games, but not lose any rating points.

What does this site stand for, I think that is one of the main questions? I play poker on here for something to do in the middle of my chess games, even though I am not particularly interested.
My playing of poker will stop if it is treated with such contempt.


Paul Campanella    (2012-03-05 03:29:32)
FICGS poker ratings

Thank you for the compliment, Scott!

I consider you to be one of the top players and have great respect for you: as both top poker and as a person. You're also a very worthy adversary and our matches are almost always 3-2 (on either side)! :)

Thank you, Thibault, for recognizing my point that it is possible to climb the ladder quite quickly using the current rating system.

I would like to note that it is also possible to climb the ladder without using any strategy. Throughout all of my poker matches on FICGS, I always finished my games (both the winning games and the losing games). I could have easily waited a long time (like some players obviously do on this site) to finish my losing games, but I refuse to do that out of respect for my opponents.

Although poker is a game that requires a combination of luck and skill, I believe that respect belongs here as well. Out of my overall record of 202 completed games, I have won 120 and lost 80. During each game, I was always honorable. For instance, if it is my turn and I know that I am 4 chips away from losing a match 3-0, I will refuse to delay the game and deny my opponent his victory for the next two months even though I have 60 days left on the clock.

Besides, it is my philosophy that the best thing to do when opponent outplays me is to accept the loss, learn from it, and then try to win in a rematch! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-05 13:36:51)
FICGS poker ratings

Paul, then do you agree that the current poker rating rules are fine? Because of your rating history and because it avoids the possibility to have significant rating peaks by delaying to lose games that are almost lost? (seems logical to me)


Stephane Legrand    (2012-03-05 20:40:58)
50+ Poker Games

Why not resolving before the other problems that you mentioned : too many time to play a poker game ...


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2012-03-05 21:00:43)
50+ Poker Games

As fas as I remember the change was made for chess games. And there (including Go) I absolutely agree. Poker is a completely different category of games. Here no long time-consuming analyzes are needed. So why not allow more than 50 games? No one forced to play so many games.


Don Groves    (2012-03-06 04:03:50)
FICGS poker ratings

It will take Nelson longer to reach his goal if the rules are left as they are now. My answer is to keep them.


Paul Campanella    (2012-03-06 17:13:22)
50+ Poker Games

Keeping games running so long is a detrement to everyone!

For example, it is unfair to be denied admission to a new poker tournament just because a player has over 50 games running, when some of those games started over a year ago and people take forever to make moves or purposely delay moving in certain games due to the fear of losing rating points.

I have a fair proposal that I would like to make...

"If the poker game(s) started over one calendar year ago, then it should not count toward the 50 game limit".

Does anyone agree or disagree? Or perhaps someone has a better suggestion about the time frame? I am curious to know what people think about this.


George Clement    (2012-03-07 16:56:47)
50+ Poker Games

I also think that would be a good rule for chess, to adjudicate the games over 1 year old. Disagree about prohibits on the slow players though. That would lead to many problems.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2012-03-07 18:27:21)
50+ Poker Games

I like Paul's idea of special counting the number of running game. This eliminates 5 of my games.

But I hope, that the idea to estimate poker games, will not be implemented. That is not a solution of the problem.

In some of my games my opponent and I can move only once per day, because we have a different rhythm of life. My opponents are playing in the morning and I at night. So we are online rarely at the same time. Furthermore, my games often last longer than 1000 moves. Therefore, it is only natural that these games take a long time. I don't like that these games will be estimated after a year.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-07 23:02:18)
50+ Poker Games

I'm not sure yet, both seem fine to me, I prefer round numbers though. It shouldn't be possible to accumulate too many games, the idea is only that fast players can always play with other fast players... any opinion?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-10 16:57:02)
Replaying games

Hi Don, actually you can also replay poker games, see e.g.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=64299

Just click the double arrows that surround << move >>

Does it work?

So you can show me your AA series :) It happens sometimes (just like any other hand, but it is more remarkable for AA) but I would be surprised that it is related to the algorithm, it's most probably statistical.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-13 17:18:17)
Replaying games

That's really strange......

As for me I see something like that (with arrows replaced by < & >):

< Game 64299 > << move >> (poker_holdem)

If you don't see it, please send me a screen capture so that I can fix the problem, if you have some time of course... thanks anyway!


George Clement    (2012-03-14 16:11:57)
Slow tournament entries

It sure looks like the tournament entries are going down in almost all classes.


Don Groves    (2012-03-14 23:30:27)
Replaying games

I have <Game 64299> (poker holdem) with nothing in between. Using latest Firefox version on Windows 7.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-15 00:07:28)
Replaying games

Just checked the code, the only explanation is that you've been logged out (it seems to me that we already discussed about this problem), but why!? Eternal question.

Is it the same for other people?


Don Groves    (2012-03-15 05:18:21)
Replaying games

That's the problem! Firefox opens the file in a new tab and I guess that messes up my login. If I type 64299 in the game box and press go, it's fine.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-15 19:38:52)
Replaying games

What do you mean "file"? It shouldn't open a new tab to open this page!? Well, I have the last Firefox too and I have no such problem.


George Clement    (2012-03-18 16:16:34)
Slow tournament entries

I think part of the problem is the slow play on the standard tours. Why not cut the increment time from 40 days to 20 days? That would greatly increase the speed of the tour.


George Clement    (2012-03-19 17:52:20)
Slow tournament entries

Garvin, are you saying 3 days for each move?


George Clement    (2012-03-19 17:53:40)
Slow tournament entries

@Thibault, ok I'll be patient! Can't do anything else anyway, You do good work!


Scott Nichols    (2012-03-20 17:39:19)
Slow tournament entries

3 days increment! It would be more fun to watch paint dry or grass grow. Some players, and we all know there are plenty of them out there, could keep a totally lost endgame going for over a year, just out of spite.

Which brings up another subject that would help immensely to speed up games without hurting quality.Install the 6-man tablebases on here, or at least let a player claim a win, draw etc when 6-man is reached. In this age of computer chess, if you have the equipment to even sign on to ficgs, you have the ability to go to a tablebase site and see the result. Plus, even the oldest computers, (like mine, :), can find the mate in under a minute in 6-man positions. So for someone to be able to drag the game out just for spite, for me, is a reason not to sign up in the first place.


George Clement    (2012-03-21 00:48:39)
Slow tournament entries

I totally have to agree. When you have people that are dragging games out just becuase they have time left but it is a clear draw, win or loss; 6 man tb's should be able to handle it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-21 11:59:35)
Go : Zen engine 4 stones away from 9p?

How do you understand this defeat of the 9p player Takemiya Masaki against Zen program at Go a few days ago?

http://www.usgo.org/news/2012/03/zen-computer-go-program-beats-takemiya-with-just-4-stones/

Computers become more & more dangerous even at Go, obviously.


Michael Rogers    (2012-03-21 21:57:53)
Slow tournament entries

A player's games on ICCF and SchemingMind can be accessed directly from the Chessbase interface. Has FICGS considered installing this feature? Also, would an "Open" tournament, allowing all ratings, help?


Garvin Gray    (2012-03-23 11:16:48)
Slow tournament entries

SN: Call the referee option is probably the best compromise, partly for the reasons Thib mentions.

SN: On the issue of 3 days per move increment, I think this is better than 10 moves in 40 days cause at least it keeps the games moving along.

I do think 10 moves in 40 days is wayyy too long a time control on here and as already mentioned 10 moves in 20 days might be better.

Is it possible to have a combined time control of say 10 moves in 30 days repeating, followed by 3 days per move from move 61 (or 41)?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-24 20:42:07)
Slow tournament entries

@Michael: there is now an open tournament but epoints are needed.

About a way to play games directly from Chessbase, this is unlikely to happen, it has been discussed before.

Finally the main problem at the moment is that we have no new players enough but... I'm working on!


Alvin Alcala    (2012-03-30 19:47:38)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

Good idea! The chinese dragon (a6 idea) facinates me.


Garvin Gray    (2012-03-30 08:30:05)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

I would like to request a SD Yugoslav Attack thematic.

I have found that this opening is rarely played on here, especially compared to its Najdorf and Schev cousins.

The starting position would be:
r1bq1rk1/pp2ppbp/2np1np1/8/3NP3/2N1BP2/PPPQ2PP/R3KB1R w KQ

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-03-31 23:49:14)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

Should be the next one :)


Don Groves    (2012-04-03 14:16:41)
Go Dan tournaments

It seems time to make 2000 the cutoff point for Dan tournaments. Otherwise all 7 Dan level players must sign up to have the next group. This is an unlikely occurrence.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-11 05:08:52)
poker tournaments

I was wondering, to decide placings in tournaments on here, are tie breaks used?

Would seem obvious to use the game score to split ties, as everyone is playing best of 5.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-15 13:53:20)
About Pinformant

Dear chessfriends,

Please receive my apologies for a stupid bug that happened yesterday (my entire fault). Some of you may have received an invitation twice for a new social network (pinformant.com) that is dedicated to help to promote FICGS on the internet [technically Pinformant is actually a part of FICGS]. That will not happen again!

A few words on this new website: Pinformant is a kind of "social browser" where it is possible to share and discuss full web pages (soon applications and games) displayed into a single page. It quite looks like a basic social network, but the display is quite new as far as I know - It is also a way to boost shared websites traffic instead of simply "stealing" their content.

Why this new website: I needed a website able to gather more people to have the means (thanks to advertisement) to make a better promotion for FICGS. So your help & participation is warmly welcomed anyway.

Any feedback is welcome as well! Thanks in advance.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-18 18:08:24)
Slow tournament entries

That's right. It is a fact that the current rules allow (in extreme cases) that all players in a waiting list be below the low rating range.

To partly avoid that, the tickets may be used to finish to fill a waiting list only (e.g. when 4 players at least entered it already)... It's just a trick of course.

But it would be unfair IMHO to retire players who lost elo points from waiting lists, so it does not completely solve the problem.


George Clement    (2012-04-18 18:35:14)
Slow tournament entries

Only 2 entries in over a month in current standard M. Their are quite a few tours that have only 1 or 2 games to go that are right at the 1 year mark and mostly the same players holding up the finish.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-18 18:40:04)
Slow tournament entries

I think the standard time control is wayyy too long and unnecessary. 10 moves in 20 days would seem more appropriate.


Don Groves    (2012-04-19 01:38:09)
Slow tournament entries

@ Michael: You got that right! Not only losing interest but also losing track of what your plan was after weeks of waiting for your opponent to move.

I agree with Garvin that our standard time controls are too long. Another problem is that some players have so many games running simultaneously that they can't keep up. I've noticed two different kinds of these players:

(1) Some players will ignore their new games until they've finished older ones. Thus they don't move at all in new games until they are forced to by the clock.

(2) Others will ignore their older games to play the new ones (openings are fun) and return to the older games only when their clock demands it.

In either case, this kind of behavior is what leads to games lasting 6 months to a year in some cases.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-19 15:16:13)
Slow tournament entries

We must no forget IMHO that playing correspondence chess here has absolutely nothing to do with playing chess at Gameknot...

Playing with one's real name is really not the same as playing with a casual name, the involvement is different. The rapid time control is really hard enough IMHO when analyzing 10+ games seriously. Time controls at ICCF are longer than our standard's one as far as I remember. Times have changed though, engines as well but not everyone can play 1 move in each game a day.

FICGS will never compete with Gameknot in the number of players or games played, but the quality of chess games may be higher in average.

Let's not try to fix a problem too quickly by creating another one. The main problem right now is that no games enough are starting each month, I'm working on!

If once this problem is fixed you still think that standard time control is too long then we can debate it and envisage a change of the time control or to create a new tournaments category.


Ramil Germanes    (2012-04-20 05:19:16)
Slow tournament entries

In my almost two years of playing here in FICGS, I have observed one major factor why tournament entries are going down.

For me, it's because of the large difference of the rating brackets in a certain tournament class.

For example, in a standard class M tourney (2200-2400), if I have a rating of 2300-2399, I will not play because possibly almost all of my opponents there will be around 2200+ and the thing is it's very hard to win against these players now and I may lose rating points even if I draw with them.

But by decreasing the difference in the rating brackets, let's say 2300-2400 or even 2300-2350 for example of a certain tournament class, will encourage me to play in these tournaments because the possibility of losing rating points by drawing is minimal.

With these new bracketing, it will also give us an easier way to climb the rating ladder thus encouraging us to play more games!


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-20 15:24:51)
Slow tournament entries

Thib: I do apologise in advance if this reply is regarded as too strong, it is not meant to offend, but could be taken by yourself or someone else as too strong.

In my opinion, creating ANOTHER division is possibly the worst decision that could be made. Leaving the time control as is would be a better decision.

We have three divisions classical rating sections, plus an advanced rating list and multiple thematic, unrated, epoint and other options.

I think adding another division would just spread things out wayyy too far.

It is not like we have an over abundance of players and need to offer more options to satisfy a wide market.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-20 16:40:38)
XFCC Play

@Niklas : so we'll discuss it again, please be patient meanwhile, sorry for the delay :/

@Garvin : so you're forced to login again and again ?! maybe try to restart your browser... or your computer if it doesn't work. Sessions seem ok for everyone else so it must be related to your browser.


Ramil Germanes    (2012-04-21 00:49:35)
Slow tournament entries

Garvin and Thib:

The way I see it, the problem is not how many registered players here in ficgs but how many wants to play.

Look at the case of the ficgs world championship. why there so many wanted to play? the waiting list fills up quickly. because they know that there is more to gain than to lose in the championship.

Not like in a tournament that higher rated players tend to refrain in joining due to possible loss of rating points with very little to gain.

Also even if more players registered here, but if they waited very long for others to fill the waiting list then they might lose interest and might not play or even come back again. (This is also what I felt before when I first join here.) And we also see many players in the rating list without games played and not connected here for a long time. Maybe this is the reason why.

Anyway these are just my observations and not pushing Thib to change the way I see it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-21 01:30:16)
Slow tournament entries

Well, about the WCH that's quite hard to say, maybe the last rules changes (in this way but everyone may not agree) helped to have more participants but actually I'm not sure at all. But it is clear that those WCH games take a lot of time to all players, so less registrations for other tournaments...

But you're probably right about the time to fill waiting lists... so more players would help anyway. It is true also that many registered players do not actually play, any idea to motivate them is welcome :)

Thanks Ramil for sharing your views!


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-21 01:34:43)
Slow tournament entries

Well my reason for not playing at FICGS (despite the fact it is the best site out there!) has been that I can't play the stronger opponents. The rating restrictions have forced me to ONLY play unrated events here or seek other places to play.

However, other than ICCF which costs money there are no other places to play strong players. I just had the most horrendous chess experience of all time at LSS. So my conclusion is that I have probably reached the end of my correspondence career altogether save the ocassional unrated ficgs game if I notice a strong cue up in one of them. I certainly won't be playing my rating class ever again.

The problem IS NOT the time control. The time control here is lovely. I am curious what Thib's solution might be.


Ramil Germanes    (2012-04-21 01:42:02)
Slow tournament entries

Another thing:

Why only tournaments?

Why no option for only one or two games where you can challenge a player of your choice directly in a longer time control? (what we have now is we have no control of who our opponent is, as long as the fee is met anyone can challenge anyone, but that is not attractive to higher rated players. see it's mostly about rating points!)

Often newly registered players don't easily see how to play correspondence chess here (many asks in the chat bar how to play) because they are expecting they can play a game instantly but here you have to wait for the waiting list to be filled for the tourney to start and that may take weeks or even months. And that's kind of turn-off to them even for me before.




Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-21 01:48:03)
Slow tournament entries

FICGS strengths:
Free
Well Managed
Friendly
Well Programed
Easy to Navigate
User friendly
Great rules
Great vacation settings
Great Time controls
Great variants / choices

Problems:
Lack of players
Lack of ability to play stronger players.

For all the awesome things here.... the one weakness makes it hard to continue to find people to play.


Ramil Germanes    (2012-04-21 02:01:43)
Slow tournament entries

Daniel:

If we have the option to challenge a player of our choice then your second problem is solved.

Your first problem is partly due to negative reactions of players here due to not able to play stronger players but if that is met we all be satisfied and might give good overall reactions about ficgs which might help to attract more players in the long run.

The more important part is the current players here must be satisfied for the site to attract more players.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-21 04:07:31)
XFCC Play

I think I might have an answer to the browser issue. When I log in through the secure system it does not work, but when I log in normally, the link comes up ok.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-21 15:47:02)
Slow tournament entries

Yep, that would solve the problem Garvin. That is the problem with the WC cycle event.


George Clement    (2012-04-21 16:39:58)
Slow tournament entries

That would indeed be an interesting tournament to play in.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-21 16:42:15)
Slow tournament entries

I am a fan of the ficgs wch and I think it has many positives. One negative I am starting to notice is that since I am now above 2200, I am getting exactly the same opponents (give or take one or two) who I play in the normal tournaments.

So the groups start to blend into one and it can be difficult to remember if I am playing a wch game, or a normal game, against the same opponent.

I think it would be an interesting exercise to see if the same person can win both events.

The ficgs wch could be held twice a year, and this idea could be held in the other quarter of the year (twice a year also).

Then after some time, see which format gets the most entries and positive reviews.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-21 16:44:52)
XFCC Play

Surely using xfcc play here would cause a few issues:

1) It is part of aquarium and so would be proprietary software from Rybka
2) As it is Rybka owned software, it would need them to set up passwords and the like for those not using aquarium.
3) Using xfcc play for wbccc has caused enough headaches for the xfcc play programmers. Not sure how keen they would be on xfcc play being used here.

That all being said, it would allow conditionals to be used here.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-21 16:48:24)
LSS is the worst Corr server

I previously erroneously had this as a sidebar chat.

I will post the story here.

I had 22 games running on LSS. All of a sudden a game disappeared. I checked and found the administrator had decided to resign for me in a game where I had a cleanly winning position and 43 days on my clock. I contacted the administrator politely to inquire why he had done this. He answered rudely explaining that he did not care about my problem. After his uncalled for rudeness, I explained to him I was no longer interested in playing further games on this "joke of a server" so please remove me from a tournament that was about to start. He responded with pure insults and a memberships suspension but *did not* remove me from that tournament. When the new tournament started, I explained to him again that he was supposed to have removed me. I was only interested in finishing my current games out of respect for my opponents. The administrator then went and forfeited all currently running 19 games and placed a ban on me playing there again until 2013. I told him that was disrespectful not just to me but to my opponents as well. He then deleted my account entirely (which doesn't bother me as I would have asked for this after my 19 games finished). There you have it... Ortwin Paetzold - the bat shit crazy administrator.


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-21 17:34:46)
LSS is the worst Corr server

I have decided to quit offering my opinion here, but this one I will answer. I was very surprised by this, as I have many games on LSS and have had some limited dealings with Dr. Paetzold and they have always been prompt and courteous. LSS offers a wide variety of tournaments including my favorite, 10 days with 1 day per move increment. This is much more my style, I have tried too many times to get something like that here, but to avail. I have just renewed my membership for five years on LSS. The only thing I'm sorry about Daniel is that we had a recent draw on there, but if I had waited a little longer, obviously I would have got the full point.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-21 18:05:09)
Slow tournament entries

The FICGS WCH is held every 8 months, so about twice a year. I'm still not opposed at all to organize a "CUP" event but it would take many rounds as well and I'm afraid it kills regular tournaments, so we probably need more players for this.

@Daniel: your current rating is 2080, I cannot believe that it is not possible for you to win points in CLASS A... If you win one (or reach 2150) you could enter a CLASS M with 10 Epoints, seems far from impossible.


Don Groves    (2012-04-21 21:18:56)
LSS is the worst Corr server

I am wondering why this was posted here. It does not concern FICGS at all. The LSS server would seem to be a more appropriate venue for comppaints about its service.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-22 06:50:06)
LSS is the worst Corr server

I was not discussing with my opponent. I feel like corr issues in general are something the corr community should be aware of so I do not share Garvin or Don's opinion. I obviously can't post this on lss forums as I have been banned there. Clearly, posting on forums of a site that is so wildly out of control is a waste of one's time and breath anyways.
Frankly, I am most ashamed of Scott's response above all else. His only problem with 20 games being forfeited is that it wasn't 21 so he could claim an illegitimate win as well - disgusting. Frankly the more I see of the correspondence chess world the more inclined I am to leave it permanently behind.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-22 07:04:40)
LSS is the worst Corr server

I had taken Scott's last comment very much in gest and was not to be taken seriously.

Scott, an emoticon or smiley would have helped there.


Peter W. Anderson    (2012-04-22 15:39:16)
Slow tournament entries

Let me start by saying that I really like this place. The software is reliable, the interface is clean and people are generally polite. Thank you Thibault.

I don't buy Daniel's argument about the bandings. It is quite possible to score 5 or 5.5 in a class A, and it is quite possible to move swiftly through class A.

I am trying to move through Class M. I may or may not suceed. If I don't, I won't be complaining about not being able to play stronger players, I will blame myself for not playing better.

My only concern is what happens if I do manage to reach 2300. The rapid time control suits me (I am retired) and I would not have the patience for the slower time control. As far as I can see no-one over 2300 enters rapids. So I might end up having nobody to play apart from in WCH.

There are two solutions that I can see. One is to adopt Garvin's mixed ability group suggestion; this could be in addition to the existing banded tournaments.

The other is simply to get more members, so that there are more people willing to play in a particular category. I for one will try to do my bit to recruit some people onto here.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-22 18:49:49)
Answer from Ortwin

Well, here is the answer from Dr. Ortwin Paetzold (LSS/IECG) that he asked me to post here. I'm glad to do it of course so that we can hear from both sides and make our own opinion with:

>>>>>>>>>>

Daniel Parmet is twisting the reality a bit. I take the right to quote my full answers, however as I do not have the permission to do so, I will not post the notes from Daniel to me, unless he quoted it here himself already.

Fact 1 is that Daniel has not read the rules of LSS or forgot about them. There is a function in LSS which lets the webmaster check this esp. in case of rule questions. Therefore he might not have known about the rule, however, when registering on LSS each player is asked to study the rules and to play according to them. I am sure, the same holds for FICGS and any other server.

Fact 2 is that on 4th April Daniel Parmet has lost a game on time by violating the 30-days-rule. The server automatically stopped the game and awarded the point to the opponent, independent from the position. The server also imposed the two week suspension to start a new tournament. The 30-days-rule was installed at IECG more than 10 years ago and I had included it into LSS right from the beginning. Daniel Parmet asked politely why the admin has cancelled his game (which I had not).

Fact 3 is that in my answer about the query why the game was finished, I have answered with reference to the rules:

“Your game was forfeited, because you did not move for 30 days. This is the maximum number of days to be used per individual move, independent of the total amount of time you have left. See the Rules and Usage Section under "Violation of Time Control". This is also the reason of your two-week-suspension. “

In his response Daniel Parmet called the LSS “a joke of a site”.

Fact 4 is that I answered to this insultation:

“Well, it is not my fault that you have not read the rules during the past five years you have played here! To be honest, this is impressing!”

I do not think this is more rude than insulting me/LSS because one has made a mistake!

Fact 5 is that I did not remove him from the waiting list of the LSS Anniversary 2012 as requested, because I thought that – once Daniel thinks reasonably about the case – he might want to continue, esp. as he wanted to continue all other games. Furthermore LSS has a feature where each player can remove himself from the waitinglist of this tournament. This all happened on 5th April! I then forgot about the matter.

Fact 6 is that on 19th April the LSS Anniverary groups were created including Daniel Parmet to one of the groups. As he was no longer suspended that time I missed that he still was on the waitinglist. I would otherwise have tried to get a replacement, which I did in other cases . When he claimed not to play in the anniversary on 20th April, I decided to remove him from all tournaments he was playing. As the tournaments were in an early stage (start date 15th Feb, Parmet finished only 3/10 and 1/12 games in them), I believe it makes less impact to withdraw a player then letting him influence the outcome, esp. as e.g. he would not use a potential qualification to the LSS WC Semi-Final or the Consolation Finals. I commented that action with the following message:

‘I have withdrawn you from this "joke of a site" (your own - wrong - words. It is not my fault that you have not read the rules!)

Thanks for playing here.’

The answer was unfriendly so I decided to cancel the membership permanently.

I would like to thank Thibault for the opportunity to express my view. I do not intend to comment anyfurther in this matter, as I think the two different versions are speaking for themselves.


George Clement    (2012-04-22 19:19:23)
LSS Move Rule

" violating the 30-days-rule. The server automatically stopped the game and awarded the point to the opponent, independent from the position. The server also imposed the two week suspension to start a new tournament. The 30-days-rule was installed at IECG more than 10 years ago and I had included it into LSS right from the beginning."

I like the idea behind this rule on LSS, IMHO it would solve some of the slow entry problems by making players move faster, which is a big part of the entry problem. I think anyone can make a least 1 move in 10 days, using todays hardware/software and communications. What do you think fellow members? I have no problem with players using time off thier clock but why wait 30 days make 10 moves then wait another 30 days?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-22 19:41:26)
LSS move rule

I agree that such a rule would speed up many games, but it would be quite hard for many players & we may lose a a few ones, by accident or not... IMO rapid time control is fast enough (our 60 days rule does not really apply there) while standard time control suits for the others, the only problem is to have players enough to change the rating bands.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-22 19:59:50)
LSS is the worst Corr server

In general, I could make many points to Ortwin's diminutive response. However, his lying aside - he has admitted to his disgusting actions and given specious reasoning for it. At this point, I think its best to let the topic drop. Others know LSS is not a safe place to play now and that was my only point. It is clear there can never be any proper resolution in my case personally.

On to the topic of the 60 day rule which is the real reason for my response. I think many people are forgetting that not everyone is retired with little to do with their time but chess. Many of us work and/or go to school. And when you have a complicated position, it is very very unreasonable to expect a response in 10 days time out of someone that works 80 hour weeks. I recognize that most of my opponents these days respond within 24 hours or less no matter what the move or how complicated the position... but this is because I am playing in general a lower caliber of player that just blindly follows the computer. I have the privilege of knowing GM Tansel Turgut and he tells me he never plays more than 10 games at once and generally doesn't make a move before 25 days of thought. I would others to stop for a moment and consider that not *everyone* is like you. They have other demands on their time and other analysis methods.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-22 20:42:15)
LSS move rule

@ Scott : Definitely I don't agree with you on this point :) Finishing such a game that lasts near the end has no consequence or so few on the whole thing (including your rating that is calculated every 60 days), and theorically having a 60 days, 30 days or even 10 days move rule does not change anything to the fact that a player who wants to last a correspondence chess game can do it the same way, for the same duration... The main reason to the 60 days rule is that we are humans, with humans problems and that shouldn't (or as few as possible) interfer with our games.


Peter W. Anderson    (2012-04-22 21:27:28)
Slow tournament entries

That wasn't really my point, but as you rasie it, it is a combination of two factors that prevent you from playing stronger players outside of the WCH - the banding rules and your perfornmance. That is just fact.

My point was that it is possible to get good rating results against weaker players and it is practically possible to move up a category in months not years. Equally you should not fear playing in the WCH on the same basis. Win your group and then you will get plenty of strong opposition.

I accept that if someone is finding it hard to break through the top of one category then they will not get practice against much stronger players outside of the WCH. That is a disadvantage of the current banding rules, and might prove frustrating to some people.

However, the alternative has disadvantages. If you remove the banding you will end up playing not only stronger players but much weaker ones too.

Perhaps the best answer is to offer a mixture of both types of tournaments.


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-22 21:41:55)
LSS is the worst Corr server

@ Thib: I see your point and have to agree also, I have a problem of being too impatient sometimes. I'm working on it, :)


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-22 21:53:16)
LSS is the worst Corr server

P.S. What if I were in an accident or some family emergency and COULDN'T answer for 40 days. I see the light. Different sites offer different things, this site is still one of my favorites, :)


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-24 04:32:03)
Do the cards really matter?

I hope this doesn't sound to dumb, but I was thinking about this. I've played poker for about 40 years from penny ante with the family to no limit games where if you don't win, the rent don't get paid.

Some people try to calculate the odds, the number of "outs" etc. Play the game scientifically, others play by the feel of the game. I've seen and believe that when the stakes are up there, the cards don't really matter.

Imagine like in a movie, you were put in a position that you had no choice but to play a game of hold-em for your life. A lot of people dream to play in the million dollar tourney's in Vegas, but for 99% of them, the dream shatters, and it ends up being their life for a great many of them. So the question is, could you call his "all-in" knowing what happens if you lose?


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-24 13:45:31)
Do the cards really matter?

In an attempt to get this conversation out of the chat bar and to here-

Bluffing on here is so much harder because everyone is playing many games at once, so you just move through each game and quite often do not even notice which opponent it is, or even something what has been played before.

So in all probability, it is almost impossible to remember if one of your individual opponent made a move on you 10 hands ago and is trying it again.

Or whether they have the nuts and are slow playing you, hoping to check raise.

I wonder if four handed poker would work on here? Might be worth a go between some who have records for playing quickly.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-24 15:01:32)
Ficgs World Cup

Following discussions about slow tournament entries, bracket and band rating issues and many other topics, a common item that came out of those discussions is that trying a modified version of the ficgs world championship is worth a trial.

So Ficgs World Cup sounds like a good name.

Format:

In the Ficgs world championship, there are many different qualifying stages, depending on your finishing position from the last cycle, your rating at the time of entry and the strength and total number of the other entrants.

While this format is very good for the concept envisaged when it was created, I think a ficgs world cup, with a format that will be explained below is required to cover a few gaps that are in the ficgs world championship.

The ficgs world cup will work as follows.

1) Everyone enters before a certain date, say June 1st 2012.
2) As soon as entries close, that is it. Entries are not taken after this date and there are NO replacements. The groups are meant to be of equal strength. Adding a new player can distort this.
3) Entrants are then divided into groups of roughly equal strength. Highest rated person is seed 1 in Group A, 2nd highest rated person is seed 1 in Group B. Serpentine pairings are used to allocate all players to each group.
4) How many players and how many groups is determined after the entries have closed. I would think that there will be probably 11 groups of 11 players (121 entries in total). It might be likely that we have to have three stages, depending on total number of entries.
5) 1 person from each group qualifies for the final stage. This is determined by total score, total wins and then TER. This does differ from the tie break formula of the FicgsWCH.

Pros:

1) Everyone gets a game against players of different ratings, no segregated groups or players
2) Everyone starts from stage one
3) The format is clear to understand

Cons:

1) May not be as tempting to the highest rated players (fear of loss of rating points)
2) Might take longer to finish

In my opinion, this is a format that deserves a couple of trial events to see if it is successful


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-24 18:52:36)
Ficgs World Cup

Sounds intriguing. I assume it would be Rapid time control like the Wch. Just one little idea, would an entry fee of 2 E-points be good? Everybody that signs up here gets 2 free E-points, it would be a good way to use them and also it would cut down on the people that start and don't finish.


George Clement    (2012-04-24 20:37:58)
Ficgs World Cup

I'm with Scott sounds intriguing. Also raped time control would be fine.


George Clement    (2012-04-24 21:17:34)
Ficgs World Cup

:) Didn't mean raped time control in previous post but rapid. Sorry for the typo. ;)


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-25 01:52:44)
Ficgs World Cup

Seen a few ideas, some that I thought would not be popular are been suggested as to give it a go. Good:)

There is a simple solution to keeping it to 2 stages. Just announce there will be 11 groups and leave the number of players in each group till when you know the final numbers.

So 220 players would be 11 groups of 20 players. That might be too much for some people, but you get the general idea.

Perhaps with 20 player groups (hypothetical of course), a slightly longer time control would be a good idea, perhaps 30 days initial plus 3 day increment ;)

Thib: I was thinking about the issue of the number of groups and I think it has to be eleven groups in the first stage. Then each of the 1st place group winners go through to final stage.

I am against any concept of rating bands, or even the mention of the concept. That is totally against the principle, design and point of this format.


Steve Lim    (2012-04-25 03:55:03)
Ficgs World Cup

Hmmm.. food for thought.. to summarize.

2 Stages of 20 games

or..

3 Stages of 11-13 games

Pros/Cons?

I too am against the concept of rating bands however we need a way to deal with casual players and dropouts. Especially if there is a no replacement policy..


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-25 04:43:19)
Ficgs World Cup

I think everyone needs to be completely clear when they mention the term rating bands:

In the context used on ficgs, it means a minimum and maximum rating that players can play in. For example in the rapid waiting lists, there is a rating band of 1900-2100. Meaning only players between 1900 and 2100 can play in that group.

If you are talking about players being suspended, then please specify that and be clear that you are talking about suspensions.

I apologise if this reads as a cranky reply, but this whole concept is being devised to not have any kind of rating bands, or special exemptions for any player.

So I bristle quickly and strongly as the suggestion of rating bands or special exemptions, to the point that I will abandon this concept if rating bands or exemptions are going to be implemented.


George Clement    (2012-04-25 17:28:04)
Ficgs World Cup

I also agree with Garvin and Thib. 11 groups, rapid time control, and no rating bands. However I think we need an activity requirement, nine or 10 rated games wouldn't be too bad of one!


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-25 18:04:47)
Ficgs World Cup

To simplify the activity requirement, it can be that all players must have an established rating. No provisionals and no estimated ratings.

An issue regarding number of groups is, what if we 50 or so entries. 11 groups of 5 seems rather silly, so I think it would have to be 5 groups of 11, with 2 players qualifying for the final stage.

While having 2 players qualify is not ideal, it is better than having 11 groups of 5 players, which defeats one of the purposes of giving more games across different rating groups.


George Clement    (2012-04-25 18:41:11)
Ficgs World Cup

To simplify the activity requirement, it can be that all players must have an established rating. No provisionals and no estimated ratings.

That would be really good! As far as the groups I think it would really depend on the number of entries. It will be tough to predict ahead of time.


George Clement    (2012-04-25 18:43:08)
Anand-Gelfand, FIDE World Championship

Very slim. I don't think he can match Anand.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-26 01:13:45)
Ficgs World Cup

Great idea Garvin.

As far as activity goes, I think it should be either an established rating with a history of no time forfeits. It definitely should not be calculated based on RATED games. This is silly. I play many unrated games these days because its the only way to play strong players. I don't play rated here anymore because of the rating bands. So your activity requirement would exclude the very type of player you are trying to grab.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-25 09:16:51)
Ficgs World Cup

Ahh now I think I understand some of the previous comments.

What you guys are talking about is a rating floor, not a rating band. With a rating floor of say 1999. So all players must be rated above 1999 to participate.

Not a big fan of a rating floor for this as it goes against the original objective, which is to provide more opportunities for players of different ratings to compete against each other. This does not only apply to 2000's v 2200's, but also applies further down the rating list as well.

The effect is not as pronounced, but still applies for the original objective.

I am in favour of an activity requirement. The standard in otb chess is that a player must have played nine rated games to get a rating, so the minimum activity could be ten completed games.

I am not as strong on the idea of an activity requirement as I am on no rating bands (which is very different to rating floor).


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-26 09:35:30)
Ficgs World Cup

After a while I went back and prefered no activity requirement at all (not a big deal if 3 or 4 players give up their games in a group, I'll do replacements as in the WCH). And to be more accurate, the number of groups would be at most 11.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-27 04:16:52)
Ficgs World Cup

Please, no replacements. If people can not organise themselves to add themselves to the entry list before the close of entries, they do not deserve to enter.

I think it is fairer to have one or two players not participate in a group than it is to add players after the event has started.

Please do not use replacements. This concept is meant to be the opposite in almost every way to WCH, and the main idea is to keep it as simple as possible.

Having replacements add a complication that is not required. It will also distort the balance on ratings of each group where forfeited players occur.

How do you ensure that each group where a forfeited player occurs and get a replacement? Otherwise you have filled some groups and not others.

See the hornets nest that is created by using replacements. Please do not use replacements, just let the normal standard tournament factors decide the final placings and people in the final stage.


George Clement    (2012-04-27 20:42:54)
Ficgs World Cup

Again I agree. No replacements! Let matters fall as they may when someone forfiets.


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-29 15:18:06)
Slow tournament entries

The concept of reducing the groups down to 5 players to get tournaments moving was discussed in detail a few months ago and gave birth to the standard open division.

So that item has been done to death. FWIW, I am in favour of changing the main list groups to 5 DRR's, but Thib is not, so it is what it is.

The idea of starting games asap and letting the group fill as it goes has also been discussed previously (like almost all ideas).


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-29 16:51:39)
About Pinformant

Ok, I still do not get this site. So I will ask an obvious question.

How do we find each other on that site?

And how do we use it for anything that might be relevant to get new members for here?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-29 18:26:23)
About Pinformant

Hi Garvin, If you really want to help, just use it like you may use Facebook or similar sites e.g. share web pages of interest, comment it and invite friends. The site will help (very much) to get new members here as soon as there are about 1000 active members, thanks to ads of course. You'll see it quickly!

To invite friends, just click the earth icon in the top menu on the right and find your contacts in your webmail or social networks (this inviter will be used at FICGS soon, it may not work on IE or Opera though), or follow this link (if you are connected) to find all ways:

http://pinformant.com/user.php?page=friends


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-29 23:37:18)
Slow tournament entries

Maybe not all ideas. Have you ever thought of a "swiss system" tournament Thib? Make an open tournament with as many players as you can get. And then pair it according to the swiss system, :) 5 or 6 rounds would be plenty to achieve a champion.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-29 23:59:06)
Slow tournament entries

Hi Scott! Of course I thought about it, but swiss system is really too slow for correspondence tournaments, and it is difficult to automatize (I don't even know if this would be possible to figure all cases).


Don Groves    (2012-04-30 05:23:35)
Slow tournament entries

The only idea that seems to please everyone is penalizing slow players. But not everyone agrees on what "slow" means. The current rules say it is 60 days per move. But others think it should be 30 days or even less.

My own feeling is that having too many games causes most slow play, so slow players should not able to begin new games until all their games over a certain age are finished.

Perhaps a better method would be to put an upper limit on the average number of days between moves in a game.


Goran Guichsen    (2012-04-30 09:38:32)
Slow tournament entries

As I understand it (I am new here since 3 days ago)the problem is not players using the time allowed in a game. It is more spending a lot of time deliberatley when the result is obvious.

I really think Don Groves has some very good suggestions.

Another way could also be (probably already discussed) to "Claim" the result Win/Draw when the result is obvious (eg TableBasis says draw). Perhaps some higher rated players could be assigned to be arbiters.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-30 13:25:51)
Slow tournament entries

Hi Goran and thanks for participating into the discussion, that's always useful to have more voices here :)

There are already rules that allow a player to claim a victory before the end to shorten a game. There is no perfect solution to the famous "DMD" (Dead Man Defense) but IMO this remains a minor problem here.

Don's suggestion is interesting. There is already such a rule (max 50 games running)... I don't know what better criteria, not too complex, could be used instead. I really think that things must avoid to get more complicated at the end.

Anyway once more the real problem right now is the too low number of new members, and I'm working on.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-04-30 14:20:00)
Slow tournament entries

I think the players complaining about the time they have to wait for a move are really just impatient. The reality is most have picked correspondence chess because they want extra time to think about moves. If you do not want extra time, then go play OTB or ICC. The honest answer is that while a move returned every day is the norm for best players -- is not a requirement!


George Clement    (2012-04-30 18:12:41)
Slow tournament entries

I think Garvin hit the nail on the head. It is the unnecessary time wasted that is the problem. Noone is saying not to take all the time needed to make a move, but waiting until your time is about out and making just enough moves to get the new increment is a problem!


Garvin Gray    (2012-04-30 19:16:14)
Slow tournament entries

I think it is ridiculous that any player can accumulate 74 days in total on their clock and they can still get another 40 days.

That seems like a completely unnecessary amount of time to have.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-04-30 20:32:31)
Slow tournament entries

I really have no idea if something can be improved there. One thing is sure, the average time for a game is not the same according to the rating... I guess that it would be not reasonable to set a rule for each category so...

About the standard time control, if a player has 74 days on his clock and is to add 40 more days, he'll never have more than 100 days anyway.

Maybe this limit can be changed but once more players are free to choose the rapid time control and as for me I really appreciate not to feel too much time pressure in my games and I know that many share this view. Let's not forget that the FICGS Chess WCH is (as far as I remember) much faster than e.g. IECG or ICCF Championships...


Scott Nichols    (2012-04-30 23:03:10)
Slow tournament entries

Is it that you are not familiar with swiss system pairings Thib? Garvin and Daniel are TD's and I'm sure they would help. The wbccc is a swiss. At least it would eliminate a 2300 playing an 1100. Top half plays bottom half right? And winners play winners, I just don't see why it wouldn't work.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-01 01:36:08)
Slow tournament entries

Well, sure swiss system is great (FICGS freestyle cup is a swiss tournament too) but IMHO it is quite bad for the correspondence chess format (because of the number of rounds and the human factor)... Of course it would have some advantages but I think that inconvenients are more important, added to the fact such tournaments couldn't be 100% automatized.


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-01 02:34:43)
Slow tournament entries

I would rather just get ficgs world cup started than worry about swiss system tournaments.


Scott Nichols    (2012-05-02 14:26:47)
Slow tournament entries

What I was hoping was that the World Cup could be a swiss system.


Scott Nichols    (2012-05-02 20:33:06)
Slow tournament entries

The WBCCC is very successful with a time control of game in 30 days with a 1 hour per move increment. We could easily play 6 games in a year.


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-03 04:23:36)
Slow tournament entries

Gino: That is because you are high rated and so play only other high rated players.

Which is good for you, but I am not sure if that is in the best interests of the site as a whole when it is one of the only formats offered.

Scott: I would like to use swiss pairings and have one game paired a time with a time control of something like 20 days plus 1 hour increment. It short, fast and with only one game, the time control should be long enough.

It will take more than 1 year, but that is not so much of a concern here.

I proposed the group and final idea to fit in with existing arrangements on here.

I would also be willing to do swiss pairings on here, like I do on WBCCC.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-05-03 04:30:30)
Slow tournament entries

That time control is impossible (20 days plus 1hour). 30 days plus one hour was barely playable! Minimum increment needs to be 12 hours to cover for sleep/work times but more like 24 hours. The WBCCC was awful directly because of its bad time control. The only reason I played the WBCCC at all was to play strong players.


Gino Figlio    (2012-05-03 04:36:12)
Slow tournament entries

Garvin,
You imply that I look out for myself only while you attempt to find the best for the site.
Either you don't know what you are talking about or you got it right but inverted the roles.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-05-03 04:38:02)
Slow tournament entries

That doesn't matter... there was an IMMENSE drop in the quality of games from 30+1 day to 30 +1h now imagine the drop from 30+1h to 20+1h. The game quality would probably not even be better than an over the board tournament at that point.

You have two major problems 1) the poor time control driving the quality of games to utter crap and 2) the increment is not even enough to cover your sleep/work zone. So you are actually losing massive amount of time that had nothing to do with your number of games but rather your daily functions of survival.

If you think about 20+1h you are effectively saying the entire game should be played in 23 days per side.


George Clement    (2012-05-03 17:21:48)
Slow tournament entries

Garvin, I'm for conditionals; but the slow players still wouldn't use them.

I still think that an increment of, let's say, 20days is better then the current of 40 for 10 moves. It would force the people that are gaming the system and waiting 25-30 days to move after getting the 40 days to at least make faster moves. They would still have plenty of calculation time. Now they make 10 moves in 10 days. Thus 40 days plus 20 days for 10 moves.


Peter W. Anderson    (2012-05-03 18:28:20)
Slow tournament entries

Of course there is no perfect time limit. What is too slow for one person will be too fast for some others. The current Rapid speed seems to get the balance about right - quick enough to allow a sensible length to the tournament but slow enough to allow some real thought even if you are working or have significant family commitments.

But perhaps the acid test is how many people are prepared to play at that speed. It does not seem to put people off playing in the current WCH, so whilst it will not be everyone's favourite, it does seem to have a broad enough appeal.

In terms of format, I think large groups (say 11+ people in each group) work well and I think better serve the idea of giving people a chance to play stronger players better than a Swiss, which is fine for a game or two and then flattens out.

In summary, I think Garvin's original suggestion works well.


Viktor Shishkin    (2012-05-07 19:56:11)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

good idea!


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-09 01:46:02)
Xiao Tong on his win in 6th FICGS Go WCH

Xiao Tong, winner of the 6th FICGS Go championship, kindly accepted to answer a few questions, here is the first part:


FICGS - Hello Xiao, congratulations once again for winning this nice match. Svante Carl von Erichsen was FICGS champion from the start of the site, after winning 5 championships. What did you think about his play & yours in these games?

Xiao Tong - Mr. Svante Carl von Erichsen is the strongest player I have met on this site. The games are so tough. In the middle of this match I thought I would lose in at least two games. At last I am lucky to have a 4-1 winning.

FICGS - Would you like to tell us a few words about you (where you live, other games you play, Go servers you play on...) so that we know you better?

Xiao Tong - I live in China but when I started to play Go on this site I was visiting France. In China when we play Go face to face, generally it takes 2 or 3 hours. But when we play on the ineternet, we always choose 30sec/move. I always play on TYGEM site, which is a China/Korea cooperated site. Before playing we need to install a client software. You can visit this address http://www.tygembaduk.com

FICGS - Unfortunately you are one of the rare chinese players at FICGS, but obviously they do very well. We all know many chinese Go champions names, could you tell us your opinion on the state of Go in China and in the world nowadays?

Xiao Tong - The past 10 years can be called Korea decade. They won more world championships than Chinese players, because before 1990 few Chinese children studied Go. But when China won several matches between China and Japan in late 1980s, more and more children started to study and play go. And then these millions of Go children grew up. Now Chinese players can get more world champions than Korea. I think besides the several world champions there are 30 young players in China who may win world championships in the future. They aged from 16-25.

FICGS - The best Go engines would now reach a level of 4 or 5 dan, is computer Go something that helps in such a correspondence Go championship according to you (and without revealing your secrets of course)? Do you think it is becoming a danger as it is for chess?

Xiao Tong - I don’t think computer Go engines can do anything. They are too weak.

FICGS - Do you watch other games played by your opponents before starting your games? Do you think that preparation is really important like it is in Correspondence chess?

Xiao Tong - I don’t take much time to analyze my opponents. But I will watch their games to get a first evaluation. World champions need to prepare before the game, because preparation can save their time in game. For me, preparation mean nothing.

FICGS - This FICGS Go championship is still young, what did you think about it? Would you change something, any rule, to improve it?

Xiao Tong - 1, Encourage players to play live games. One game can be finished in 2 hours when they play at 30sec/move. The more they play, the higher the site level will be. 2, when the world champion match is live on net, encourage player watch the games through your site. Let the watcher can bet on the live games. It will be more funny.


Many thanks to Xiao for these instructive answers, to be continued...


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-09 02:23:25)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

now you can enter the waiting list ;)


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-09 04:21:49)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

i asked for the SD thematic, so should probably enter.


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-09 18:52:44)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

hehe six entries already, one more to go. Good judgement on my part for what thematic would be popular :)


Paul Campanella    (2012-05-11 04:57:14)
Playing poker for e-points

Members of FICGS are able to play chess for e-points but poker challenges are only allowed in "bronze".

Why are members of FICGS not allowed to challenge other members to either "silver" or "gold" poker games?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-11 14:06:30)
Playing poker for e-points

I personally agree with you Paul :)

The big problem is that I'd directly go to french prison :/ Unfortunately this is not authorized in France (yet - there is some hope but it will take time anyway)

So unless I move to another country this will not happen before a while...


Peter W. Anderson    (2012-05-12 09:40:47)
Playing poker for e-points

I don't think this is a problem just because of French law. My understanding is that it is illegal to take on-line bets from US citizens regardless of which country is hosting the service. It happens but it is not legal. As e-points can be traded for money, this could be a problem.

On-line gambling is legal in the UK but sone UK companies have been charged under US laws for allowing US citizens to play on their poker sites. Most big UK on-line gambling companies block US citizens from playing at their sites.

So even if French law changes, be very careful Thibault. You would need to check the law of every country of the players.

I know a little bit about this as I have a friend who is hoping to make a lot of money (quite legally!) from on-line poker in the US (but for obvious reasons I can't say how).


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-12 13:41:03)
Playing poker for e-points

Epoints system for chess is the same than participating in an OTB chess tournament with an entry fee & prize. I guess (I hope) that this is authorized even in US.

But anyway you're right Peter, it took me much time to be sure of what it was possible to do or not. Actually FICGS could have started about a year earlier without that problem :/

Anyway there are many ways to turn around laws, e.g. if prizes are not money & so on... Maybe I could envisage something like that.


Paul Campanella    (2012-05-12 16:56:57)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

I remember hearing in the past that the sicilian dragon was refuted?


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-12 17:26:45)
Playing poker for e-points

Paul,

In general parlance, poker is regarded as a gambling game and so the idea that poker is also played in classic tournament fashion, just like every other sport, has never really caught on in legal terms.

The general version is more of the casino style with players joining in whenever they want and leaving whenever they want (or have lost their cash), rather than tournaments where everyone pays an entry fee and there is a winner at the end.

Combined with that is that chess has never been associated as a 'gambling' game or sport.

Remember also that in quite a lot of countries chess is a full recognised sport, or at least mindsport. So in those countries if playing for money in chess was illegal, then so would playing for money in all sports.

Thib- I wonder if playing for epoints in classic tournament fashion is legal, just like in irl poker tournaments?

That could be one option.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-12 23:26:19)
Playing poker for e-points

Actually the problem really exists in the opposite way... You'd be surprised! French departments really tried to discourage me to organize chess tournaments with money prizes, by making comparisons to gambling games! (and actually I also think that the limit is not so clear) - The problem is that there is no clear law on that issue.

I also know that the previous french government (Sarkozy's one) was to try to make it even harder to do that because of the success of some sites that offer skill money games. So I try to follow all this...


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-13 14:18:28)
Ficgs World Cup

... still thinking about it.

Sometimes it seems to me that such a championship would look like too much to FICGS WCH round-robin groups & could make regular tournaments entries slower (also not all interested players could play both WCH & CUP). Sometimes I'm more optimistic & see it mainly as an event more.

Any opinion after these few weeks?


Paul Campanella    (2012-05-15 14:07:37)
Faster Refresh Time

Here is an example of why I consider the 30 second refresh time to be bad...

Example: Pretend someone is playing 10 poker games on FICGS simultaneously.

Having the refresh time take so long is quite annoying due to the fact that nothing appears during the 30 second time interval, but after the 30 seconds are over... the page gets refreshed... then all 10 moves appear at once and it is difficult to manage.

Perhaps if we shorten the time to 15 seconds, it would end up being easier for everyone who is playing multiple games at once due to the fact that they can see their opponents moves as soon as they are made. 10 seconds is obviously too short of an amount of time to consider but I can't understand why the 15 second rule would be a problem for anyone trying to chat because it does not take 15 seconds to type a few words and hit the enter key.

If people still think that 15 seconds is too fast, then how about we make it 20 seconds? That could be an ideal amount of time to consider because it is faster than 15 but slower than 30 seconds.

What does everyone think?


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-18 20:53:52)
Private chat?

We have been begging for at least a decent private message system for ages.

At least that would be a half way start.


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-19 15:24:06)
Second match v Rybka Forum

Hello all,

I have been thinking about this for a while, but I was wondering how many ficgs players would be interested in participating in a match vs Rybka Forum.

We tried this concept once before with limited success from an organisational point of view. From a playing pov, ficgs had little success :o

I am thinking something like this for a format:

1) Time control 30 moves initial plus 1 day increment
2) All individual matches are two games
3) Players are to play in rating order. - RF now does have some kind of rating system, at least for WBCCC participants. I think more of their players have also come over to here, so have ratings here.
4) We possibly could use xfcc play, which would allow conditionals to be used, but might mean all the games are played and shown at RF. - Might be possible to have them shown here somehow 'live'.

So, time to get some interest. Who would be willing to participate?

I am going to post this over at RF as well.


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-19 15:31:54)
Advanced challenges, time out expiry

I think time has come to implement a time out expiry on advanced games challenges.

If an advanced game challenge has not been accepted by someone with 1 hour of its posting, that challenge expires and is automatically removed from the system.

The challenge would then need to be re-issued.

This would help prevent the issue of players accepting challenges many hours after it was posted and then waiting around for a time out.

It would also help to ensure that the challenger was around to accept their own challenge.


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-21 15:45:11)
Second match v Rybka Forum

Neel, Planning is only in its infancy and there are many hurdles to overcome.

So stay tuned.

Some of these hurdles include:

Interest from both sites?
Whether we use Rybka Forum's playing client?
If that will be available to all or just RF members?
What the time control will be?
Will players have to play their games on here as well as RF?
Whether conditional moves will be used?
How many players per team?
Is it possible to use the RF playing client, but have games transmitted live on both sites, so all members of both sites can follow the action as it happens?
Will chat be allowed in the games? This could be a sticking point as the two forums run very differently on this issue.
Who plays for which team?

And the list goes on.


Scott Nichols    (2012-05-21 19:06:41)
Second match v Rybka Forum

MY list is short, it would have to be played on here under strict time limit of 30 days + 1 day increment. And I would play for the home team. I think the RF players need to give this server a chance.


Don Groves    (2012-05-23 07:08:22)
Members who never played

The rating lists are full of people who joined FICGS, then left after not playing even one game. What purpose does it serve to have these people in the rating lists? The lists would be more informative if these names were dropped.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-25 01:39:55)
Members who never played

A long time issue... The active players rating list partially fixed it but it needs some improvement for sure. I should be able to do this in the next few days... finally!


Garvin Gray    (2012-05-27 08:36:57)
Second match v Rybka Forum

It has been confirmed that we can use xfccplay for all the games, if we wish.

Xfccplay is a playing client where players can make their moves and they are transmitted live to the Rybka Forum sub forum where these games will be shown live. Hopefully it will be possible to also show them here live.

To pursue using xfccplay further, I need to know if anyone who is considering playing would be not willing to play if the whole match is held using xfccplay, rather than making moves on here.

I certainly do want the second match to be very different to the first. To start with, that no games end with time outs.

Likely format:

Time control: 30 days initial plus 1 day increment.
Format: Each player plays two games against a single opponent
Number of players for each team: As many players as we can get for both teams
Board Order: By rating for those who have ratings on the site they are playing for. Others can be placed at captain’s discretion.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2012-05-28 20:25:27)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

i am trying 9.0-0-0


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-05-28 23:41:10)
Private chat?

Sorry guys, I cannot integrate such a system for now (but the good point is that I do have the technology now that I implemented Pinformant)... now doing smaller but important updates.


George Clement    (2012-05-30 18:05:24)
No access for me to Rybka Forum

Garvin I think the 'cloud server' was having another lightning storm. A few others were complaining also.


Garvin Gray    (2012-06-01 20:20:07)
Second match v Rybka Forum

I have been informed that the conditional move system of xfccplay can not be removed just for one tournament, so if we use xfccplay for at least half the games, conditionals will be in operation.

I still think we can go ahead with using xfccplay, just that the half of the games that are played using xfccplay will have conditionals, and the ones played here will not.

While it is an issue, it is not a big issue, or a showstopper.

Everyone will still be playing two games against the same opponent. One here and one with xfccplay at RF. I will give a couple of days for feedback. If there is no discussion, I will formalise details and then we will move on to official collection of entries, getting players familiar with xfccplay and then on to the games proper.


Garvin Gray    (2012-06-06 13:53:31)
Second match v Rybka Forum

Hello all,

Current discussion here: http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=24942

Following discussions on RF and now what looks like a completely different format to what I was proposing and ideas I had in mind and seeing what looks like a no compromise situation from the RF side, it looks almost certain that I will not be having anything to do with organising this event, or participating for either side.

When I first came up with this idea of trying to get a second match going, one of the main ideas was to help promote both forums and playing clients to a wider audience, and especially to the better players for both sites.

Now that I see what RF seems to have in mind, or at least what they are willing to accept for playing conditions, I find them wholly unacceptable and contrary to the ideas and purposes originally intended.

The current proposed design really does have a pro RF feel about it, in that FICGS players will have to learn how to use xfccplay to play on here, plus possibly sign up an account, but RF players will not have to do the same at FICGS. I am also wondering, what happens if the high majority of players from both sites say they only want to play on their own forum. This whole competition falls over.

RF 'bosses' have been kind enough to allow xfccplay to be used for these games to make them a better product. I do not think it is unreasonable for RF players to play some of their games on FICGS.

Secondly, the current proposed design also goes competely against another original idea, which was to have the top player from RF competing against the top player from FICGS. And so on down the boards. This current design will most likely result in random board pairings and henceforth likely mis-matches, rather than having showpiece games and at the same time having the bottom players from both sides games counting as much as the top board. Potentially it could now be the top player from FICGS against the two bottom players from RF and vice versa. That is ridiculous.

So all in all, I have proposed a format originally on both sites. I do not see the current proposed format as achieving anything substantial and certainly not in the vein of the original ideas. Had I known the current structure was going to be proposed, I never would have bothered proposing this in the first place.

Unless the current structure changes, I hereby resign as overall organiser and go between for both forums and also as a participant in the second match.


Kind regards,

Garvin Gray


Garvin Gray    (2012-06-08 11:07:00)
Second match v Rybka Forum

Following on from my post above, we will now be going with the format originally posted, which is:

1) Time control 30 moves initial plus 1 day increment
2) All individual matches are two games
3) Players are to play in rating order. - RF now does have some kind of rating system, at least for WBCCC participants. I think more of their players have also come over to here, so have ratings here.
4) Xfccplay will be used for the games played at RF
5) Conditional move system will be used for the games played at RF. Games played here will be using the standard interface.

Both sides are going to have to make compromises. Ficgs players who are not already familiar with xfccplay are going to need to learn how to use it and will also need to join RF.

RF players, who are not members of here already, will need to sign up to here and learn how to use this interface.

I can not give a definite sign up by this date yet as some of the nuts and bolts are still being worked out.

Can everyone start saying if they are going to play? I hope this will be more than just the players who already play in WBCCC as I do hope it is the best players from both sites participating as well.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-06-08 18:05:51)
Second match v Rybka Forum

@ Nick : why not, I'd be glad to organize such a match with LSS but I will not propose it, many players here came from IECG/LSS.

@ Garvin : just tell me when I can announce the match in a newsletter, we'll create a new forum topic (and/or if you have a public email) for registrations.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-07-28 00:10:50)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!

First of all, I've added 15 days to all players in running games because of the delay and the fact that many of us may have no access to internet during the summer vacation (this time is added to the 46 days, 13 hours and 20 minutes since the crash for players expected to play), this issue was discussed at Rybkaforum, of course it may be unfair to few players in certain games where their opponent had few time but I did not find a better balanced solution, sorry about that :(

Among other consequences, the current championships cycle will last 10 months instead of 8, and july correspondence chess ratings will be updated very soon.

Well, how to start... fortunately such an event is rare but possible, and following the Murphy's law, it happened (first time for me), the server's hard disk crashed and the least I can say is I've not been lucky, even if I obviously did some things wrong.

Of course I had enough data at home to rebuild all games until a few hours before the crash but I thought it was worth it to pause the server during a few days/weeks to recover more moves, and if possible ALL moves. I really hoped that it would work and at the end it did, but not completely... for unknown reasons. I had also other data to recover from the server, including some FICGS data that were not backuped correctly (my bad), because I did not think far enough 6 years ago when I coded the first FICGS scripts... That will be fixed very soon.

So, because the DDrescue process did not work -unlucky- just after the crash, my server provider (OVH in France) had to send me the hard drive and it took sooooo much time already :/

Then I tried to recover some files and the databases by myself and I learnt much on how to save a hard drive but each process was really long, it took several days again...

Finally none process completely succeeded, few sectors of the hard drive remained unreadable and unfortunately the FICGS database is divided into very numerous parts written everywhere on the disk.

At the end, I brought the disk to the very best professionals able to save it... the process was quite long again and it did not completely worked as well, for an unknown reason the current database was still not readable but they did much better than me at the end.

Finally the whole process was worth it, but I did not expect it could take so much time.... 46 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes. And that's a shame :(


Of course, I could have used a RAID 10 server, I was not favourable to this choice because it is not 100% safe as well, I don't know it enough and it's much more expensive. I'll reconsider it though.

But the other things I did wrong are clear anyway, I lacked of experience in such a situation and most important, I'll do now better backups also on another server every hour. Next time (if any), we'll lose at most 1 hour of moves but the server will be able to restart within 1 day.

One thing is sure, internet was really empty for me without FICGS during this long month and a half and I missed our tournaments too much so that happen again! Have no doubt, FICGS would not have stopped in all cases but once again I'm really sorry about that and all consequences... I can only hope that you'll enjoy your games as before.

Thanks for your understanding.

Best regards,
Thibault


Peter W. Anderson    (2012-07-28 09:01:10)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!

Really good to have FICGS back. Thanks for trying so hard rather than giving up on what is a difficult problem.

Donation to follow - a small contribution towards RAID (mirroring perhaps?) or whatever it takes to make the system more resilient.


Daniel Parmet    (2012-06-09 05:36:02)
Second match v Rybka Forum

As far as a Rybka Forum match goes, as long as the time control is 30 days + 1 day increment then I would love to play.

As far as LSS match goes, I would only agree to play if it was on FICGS whree Thib would have control rather than the insane man that runs LSS.


Garvin Gray    (2012-07-28 15:34:59)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!

Scott, I am reminded more: to err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer :)

And, if computers get too powerful, organise them into committees, that will do em in

lol


George Clement    (2012-07-28 17:04:44)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!

Thib thanks for getting it back. Great work.


Paul Campanella    (2012-07-29 01:55:41)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!

46 days is certainly no joke and I imagine that this was no easy task. Instead of giving up and letting all the data just remain lost, you went above and beyond to recover everything as best as you could. In my opinion, that demonstrates your loyalty, devotion, and determination as the best website administrator around!

On behalf of myself and all of the other members of FICGS, I want to sincerely thank you for looking out for our us doing everything in your power to fix the situation as fast as you could.

3 CHEERS TO THIBAULT DEVASSAL!!!

Now that everything is back to normal... lets all have some imaginary champagne and toast the fact that we are glad that everything is back up and running! :)


Garvin Gray    (2012-07-29 05:04:52)
Second match v Rybka Forum

Everyone is needed :)

Read the conditions at the top of the page to see if you are comfortable with them.


Neel Basant    (2012-07-29 08:35:00)
Suggestion.

Lightning to Bullet and Bullet to Lightning.

Neel
( sorry MY K/B had Problem)


Peter W. Anderson    (2012-07-30 09:42:51)
Reset tournament waiting lists

I would prefer them not to be reset. As the rating list has been updated since entering, I could no longer rejoin the the same waiting list, and nobody seems to play in the alternative.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-07-30 10:50:44)
Chess WCH Schedule ?

Initially it was supposed to start on September 1 but because of the recent "break", it should start on November 1, 2012.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-03 16:26:08)
Rating List

Well, a bit further a player should not start with a 2400 rating, wherever he's coming from. I think it is interesting for many to know who registered at FICGS. The "complete" correspondence chess rating list is the only one where one can see all registered players, most inactive players just disappear of the active players list after a few weeks, is it a real problem!?

Anyway I understand the point but I fear I cannot do anything before a while, whatever the final decision :/


Scott Nichols    (2012-08-03 18:47:53)
Rating List

Not a problem, just check the active list, easy...


Don Groves    (2012-08-04 04:58:39)
Rating List

As Robert pointed out, the Established rating list is meaningless as it now stands.
Only the Active lists are accurate. This seems to be a strange situation. But, yes, not an immediate problem.


Scott Nichols    (2012-08-10 22:53:49)
Premium site?

I usually agree with most everything, but I have to say... On the internet there are many, many free chess sites to go to, some better than others. Then there are the paid sites for people who are willing to spend a little to getting a better site and service.

This site is free to look around and very adequate for that. But some of us pay to play the premium features. The amount of down time is becoming a major issue. The first one, hard drive fried, who's hasn't, but since then, 2 more outages that I know of. For a premium site, this is disheartening.


Scott Nichols    (2012-08-10 22:56:41)
Premium site?

Edit: It might just be my imagination, but this all seem to start with the introduction of the social network. Many people love these, I've never seen one.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-10 23:38:32)
Premium site?

Since the crash, the server was offline only once (as far as I know) and it is totally my mistake, the other sites on the server have nothing to do with it... After a common update Apache did not restart correctly and I just did not notice :(

I'll be more careful on this point too. Sorry again... Obviously I am a really bad webmaster sometimes.


Scott Nichols    (2012-08-11 00:44:18)
Premium site?

It went down once after crash for about 4 hours and just before my last post which prompted the post. This is my favorite site, and I'm sure you will work it out as always.


Garvin Gray    (2012-08-11 16:41:01)
Premium site?

On a related topic, I am rather concerned that everything relies on Thibault. Surely there should be some sort of safeguard or other people who can monitor and make sure that things aren't missed.


Garvin Gray    (2012-08-11 16:41:40)
Premium site?

Scott, I am a little bit unsure of your actual point.

Please clarify your exact point so I can respond :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-11 17:33:23)
Premium site?

Hi Garvin, it is true that during the first years a few players and an automatic checker were able to contact me anytime on my phone by email, unfortunately this was not the case anymore this last year but it should be possible again very soon, I'll let you know.


Alvin Alcala    (2012-08-11 21:56:24)
Premium site?

Thib I suggest you do regular server maintenance check. You can have a schedule so everyone is informed. This will prevent annoyance from members.


Don Groves    (2012-08-12 08:40:05)
Premium site?

I agree with Alvin. A scheduled weekly maintenance could help prevent further unexpected down time. And all users would know to do something else with their lives during this period ;-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-12 10:18:23)
Premium site?

This is a good idea Alvin! We'll do that but unfortunately it will not avoid unexpected problems and short periods of down time.


Juri Eintalu    (2022-07-13 09:45:36)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

The ICCF Statutes webpage provides a new Statute, valid from 9th May 2022.

www.iccf.com/message?message=449

Article 17 contains a new sentence now:

"The Executive Board is empowered by Congress to propose suspension or dismissal of member federations for non-financial reasons."

Thus, the ICCF has also made a decision to suspend Russia and Belarus.

Thus, it seems that the ICCF Congress has calculated as follows:

34/(34 + 13) = 34/47 = 0.72 = 72%

It means that the "abstained" 13 voters have not been taken into account.


But who voted how, who remained neutral, who was missing, etc.?

Article 12 says the following:

"Amendments to the statutes require a vote of the general assembly, called the Congress, and a majority of two thirds of the members present or represented."

However, that Extraordinary Congress was online.

Finally, the downloadable table has other pages providing more detailed information. Thus, there is information that Estonian representative Jüri Kuusik did not "attend" the online congress.

The meanings of the terms "present", "represented", "attended", and "abstained" have remained unclear, which makes the manipulations possible.

Clarity is missing around that issue and on the ICCF homepage.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-18 13:16:50)
FICGS backup is now ok!

Well, simple things are quite complicated sometimes (so many limitations on Linux) but finally the backup [site + database] works fine now...

Now the server can bug, crash, explode, whatever... I can completely reinstall FICGS in a few hours from most situations. There should not be more than 59 minutes of moves lost in the process.

- Complete backup every hour on a distant storage space.
- Complete backup every week on another distant storage space.
- Multiple database backup on the server (case of other problems)
- Moves incrementally sent to my email every 12 hours.

So, definitely the recent break shouldn't happen again... I hope so.


Rolf Staggat    (2012-08-18 17:56:35)
This is Russia :(

No sad day for me.....

This man still thinks, he is the most important person in the world.

He only went to "Pussy Riot", because he wants to be seen on TV. He hates people like the Pussies, but he thinks it is good for HIM to provocate in front of the cameras of west-medias.

He does not know, what is reality. So now some policemen have to show him, what is real. No average intelligent person would try to find that out.

He never will be president of Russia, to be against Putin does not mean to be for Kasparov.

Kasparov only thinks in "white" or "black", but there are many more colours in real life.

By the way, the Pussies would never be known outside Russia with the noise that they call music. Now they have the time to learn.

2014 number 1 in all charts:
"Pussy Riot featuring Grandmaster Garry" the new super-group with their new song "Who is the greatest idiot"

I more prefer Grandmaster Flash.....He knows about real life.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 03:56:37)
This is Russia :(

Kasparov is a well-paid shill of the globalist power.

"Is Kasparov an anomaly or does he fit right in with this coven of far-right loonies? And who are some of the prominent members of the Center for Security Policy? Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, James Roche and Laura Ingraham. Oh, boy. The whole front office of the neocon’s cuckoo’s nest. Now tell me, dear reader, with friends like that; what should we really think about Kasparov’s performance in Moscow? Is he really interested in "democracy promotion" as he claims or is their acting out a script that was prepared in Washington?"

http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/12/05/why-murdoch-s-journal-loves-kasparov/


Don Groves    (2012-08-19 09:39:13)
FICGS backup is now ok!

Great news, Thib! You only need the last hour's moves sent to your email, right?


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 23:04:16)
This is Russia :(

Vadim, you're right - "Pussy Riot" is a purely political case. But what are its roots?

The real reason why the Western media outlets have been so keen on covering the "Pussy Riot" trial has nothing to do with "free speech."

"Pussy Riot" and Kasparov are not victims. They are US State Department-backed instruments of corporate-financier hegemony, used as leverage against a Russian government standing in the way of Wall Street and London's order of international corporatocracy.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32395


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 23:12:08)
This is Russia :(

EURO: I would like to move from chess to politics. What do you think about the proclamations of Garry Kasparov, do you see the Russian political reality in a similar light?

KRAMNIK: I disagree with him. It seems to me that his political opinions are empty. Garry is too destructive for my liking. According to him, everything in Russia is wrong, Putin did everything wrong. But that is simply not true. I am convinced that if Kasparov wants to be in politics he needs to offer something positive too, something constructive. Even in the field of human rights protection in Russia there are a number of people doing a lot. Apart from criticising, they create something positive too, by helping some people. Garry’s approach to everything is just demagogic and destructive. I disagree with his opinion that the situation in Russia is as critical as he sees it. I go there often, my brother and my parents live there, so I think I have a pretty good insight. If you want to judge the current situation in Russia you must not take single aspects of it out of the general picture. It is the same as judging a position during a chess game – you need to bear in mind an entire chessboard.

Of course Russia is not a democracy on the same level as countries such as Germany or France, but you cannot judge today’s situation without taking in the historical context. Russia had never been a democratic country in the past, so that is why the transition is not easy. Nevertheless, nowadays eighty percent of the Russian population is not forced to fight for their existence, as they had to, some ten, fifteen years ago.

http://www.kramnik.com/eng/interviews/getinterview.aspx?id=178


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-21 16:23:20)
This is politics

I remember this interview of Kramnik with very good things said (I have no idea on the last part though, even if I have no doubt that things went in the right direction... fast enough or not. Quote: "nowadays eighty percent of the Russian population is not forced to fight for their existence, as they had to, some ten, fifteen years ago.")

But if things must not evolve too fast (as it probably happened in Russia 15-20 years ago), it is likely that both US (or European countries) & Russia don't even envisage to go the right way these times on political issues, mainly because the ones who control it don't want it. There are many more or less complex & historical reasons to this of course, completely logical, but anyway it could be better and even if Kasparov was paid by US or whoever, it looks quite logical & reasonable to ask for some deep changes in Russia too...

I try to keep a sociological view rather than an ideological one. I do not defend one existing system more than other ones, but unfortunately in most situations the power tends to protect itself too much "in order to" protect citizens, that is true in a good part but there also start many problems. It is still fine to me when citizens have choice and can leave easily but that's not so easy in our world.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-22 16:28:37)
Game of thrones

I saw that :) Last episode of season 1 if I remember well.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-22 17:47:37)
This is Russia :(

Oil prices and production amounts alone mean nothing. Every oil producer has the same oil price at a given time. The real question is how much revenue the state's budget received. In 1990s, Russian offshore oil companies practically didn't contribute to it.

Example: Oligarchs register their companies somewhere in the offshore zone (say, the Caiman Islands). They sell produced oil to themselves not at the world price of $50 but at $25. The prime cost is, say, $24. So their revenue is $1, whose tax is paid to the state's budget. Then the offshore company sells the oil to the West at the real price. Hence, the state's budget is empty.

To change this, it sufficed to jail one oligarch - Khodorkovsky. :) The West's politicized outrage (more like hysteria) has nothing to do with freedom or free markets but with the interrupted "honey collection".

Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-22 17:48:55)
This is Russia :(

Russia like other countries has its Criminal Code that clearly and politically obliviously lists punishments for offenses. It existed before the trial. There is no point for liberals to further politicize this particular trial just because it got media attention.

Britain (that considers itself as a democracy model) is not above "disproportionate" sentences for political activity.

http://libcom.org/blog/pussy-riot-convicted-britain-rails-against-%E2%80%9Cdisproportionate%E2%80%9D-sentence-hypocritically-18082

http://azstarnet.com/news/world/places-where-trivial-acts-carry-harsh-penalties/article_da567f48-ce33-555e-8ff2-365ec6c38a28.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-12 23:37:00)
Faster Refresh Time

Hi David, unfortunately Garvin's answer is the best possible one, IE is really the worst navigator these days (and for a long time).

I encourage you to try Firefox or Google Chrome as obviously I'll never be able to solve all problems related to Internet Explorer :/ Sorry about that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-19 13:39:54)
Limit number of poker games

Hi all, I'd like to have opinions about a possible change of the limit number of running poker holdem games per player from 50 to 100, for more fun. This is just poker after all :)

Personally I don't need more than 50 games but I know that certain players do, what about you?

The problem is still the impact of general forfeits and not to provoke a few ones more. I guess that certain players may go easily to 100 games then realize it is too much...

What do you think?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-19 18:30:24)
Limit number of poker games

Yes, I'm thinking (not all day long) for years now about a good solution to reduce the poker time control... obviously I did not find something satisfying :(

I know that many members play often one move per day, this is a problem.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-19 22:50:35)
Limit number of poker games

The scheme of the games cannot be changed, this is the only way to have coherent ratings... The games duration is the price to pay to have ratings that mean something.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-20 12:07:21)
Limit number of poker games

Don, I'm afraid that's mathematically wrong... compare 5 single games and a 5 games match (that counts for 1 game), a score of 4-1 does not have the same impact on ratings than a score of 1-0, the chancy factor is not the same. The aim of the whole thing was to have ratings not too close from each other, in other words significant (and I think they are).


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-20 17:17:14)
5th Kolkata Open Grandmasters Tourney

Just forwarding an announcement...


"Alekhine Chess Club under the aegis of All India Chess Federation is organizing 5th Kolkata Open Grandmasters Chess Tournament, recognized by FIDE and Government of India, from 3rd to 13th December 2012 at Gorky Sadan, Kolkata, India.

The details of the meet are available at : http://www.alekhinechessclub.com/5kolkata/detailsfinal.pdf and the details of the last meet of this edition are also available at : http://www.alekhinechessclub.com/4kolkata/index.html (we attache a few picture from that meet)."


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2012-09-20 18:32:53)
Limit number of poker games

We had this discussion several times, but it never leads to a change.

My problem is, that sometimes I cannot enter a waiting list because of too many running games. I accept, that the games can last very long - that's not nice but I can live with that. But it should not stop me to get some new games with fast players. That's the reason why I asked Thibault to increase the number of poker games. Is there a problem if the number is increased to 100?


Don Groves    (2012-09-21 05:06:44)
A radical idea?

Since not all Chess players seem to agree on the best set of "advanced" games, why not allow the players in a game to decide on their own game parameters? If Scott and Alvin want to play a 15 minute game with 5 seconds added per move, let them do that.

Only the ratings of the two players involved are affected, so it seems this idea would not interfere with ratings and could be popular.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-21 12:10:16)
Limit number of poker games

The problem is how the chancy factor interfers on ratings. 10 games of 100 deals will provoke ratings much closer than 2 games of 500 deals or 1 game of 1000 deals, obviously. But it would be more fun, I agree (again).


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-21 14:31:25)
A radical idea?

Yes, it is stored for each game, but the waiting list system does not work this way and the opponent must not miss the time control (in challenges or in the waiting list). But that's possible.


Garvin Gray    (2012-09-23 08:11:54)
Limit number of poker games

I have tried reading this thread a few times, but seem to be missing a point or three, maybe even four.

1) Thib- Can you explain this a bit more in simpler fashion :)- It is possible to calculate it but in brief, for 1 game of 1000 dealts, the perf will be opp.rating +350 or opp.rating -350 .. for 10 games of 100 deals with a score of 7/3 (which is quite unbalanced already for so few hands), the perf will be about opp.rating +170 or opp.rating -170

2) When posters are referring to faster games, are they talking about reducing the time control, or having the blinds increase at a faster rate?

3) I would prefer best of 3, rather than best of 5. I am not sure if best of 5 on here really does produce more accurate ratings as I find it quite common that players will go all in early, or take risks early on, knowing even if they lose set 1, they are only behind 1-0 and there is a long way to go. Best of 3 would force players to play 'real poker' from earlier on.

This would produce more meaningful results.

The number of hands I play which involve just 1 and 2 chips pisses me off no end and deters me from playing more often.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-25 23:27:53)
Limit number of poker games

@Garvin:

1) It would be quite long to explain the full calculation for different examples, maybe best is to have a deep look at rating rules then come back to the discussion, sorry if it is not clear enough after that but trust me, it would change everything on ratings.

2) Both, I guess... the problem is that blinds shouldn't change and there isn't time controls that solve the problem.

3) Those who will go all in early will probably not reach the top of the rating list... That's the point :)

Hands that involve just 1 and 2 chips are real poker! The technical one, not the chancy one.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-25 23:30:02)
Limit number of poker games

Finally I've decided to change the limit number of poker games from 50 to 100, temporarily or not (we'll see if it has more good effects than bad ones).

But we can continue the discussion, still looking for good ideas.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-09-27 23:39:12)
Eros Riccio wins 6th and 7th chess WCH

By beating Alberto Gueci in the final match of the 6th chess championship & Ostap Hladky in the candidates final of the 7th chess championship, Eros Riccio will remain FICGS chess champion for at least 16 months! After this huge performance, Eros accepted to answer a few questions:

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- Hello Eros and congratulations again for winning your 3rd and 4th (respectively 6th and 7th cycles) FICGS chess championships in a row, beating Alerto Gueci in the 12 games match of the final match and Ostap Hladky in the 8 games match of the candidates final so that you meet yourself in the last round that thus will not happen for the 3rd time of the championship (first time was during the first cycle because there was no champion yet). All games of the two matches were drawn, but it does not say much on the intensity of the match as we all know your strategy since your win in your first final match vs. Edward Kotlyanskiy when you explained that your preferred a draw that guarantees the victory than a possible win where a mouse slip is still possible. Obviously your strategy works very well but one can add that you had an impressive number of running games at the rapid time control, so very much pressure... How did you live these last months of correspondence chess and these two matches?

Hi Thib! And thanks once again for the congratulations. These 28 games (let's not forget also the 8 games match against Gino Figlio) probably started in the worst moment for me, just a few months after the very important European Team Championship on ICCF had started. When I told my captain that I was starting another 28 games... he was very disappointed and worried, as he had repeated a lot of times to every player of our team not to start new tournaments and to focus only on this tournament. Also for this reason I had decided not to join the new Italian Championship and other tournaments and to withdraw from the Champions League, but unfortunately I had no control on when to start my FICGS games. So... my priority was for my ICCF games, and fortunately for me all I needed to do in my FICGS Matches to win was to make draws, and that's what I tried to do in most of my games as fast as possible, and to my surprise my opponents accepted to draw many games quite quickly, not trying to fight each game "to death" like I would have done if I would have been them. This of course only created quick boring games, but I didn't see the point in putting energy in trying to win games myself.... I think my opponents should have done that!

- We all know that you and Alberto are good friends from long time, did it influence your match in the 6th WCH in any way according to you?

Well, it's a good think knowing your opponent's habits... you can send your moves as soon as you know he goes to bed :-)

- Ostap Hladky is undoubtly one of the strongest players at FICGS, was this match (7th WCH candidates final) very different from the other one?

Hladky was the strongest player I had ever played on FICGS, he is very unpredictable, he simply plays unexpected moves that engines don't suggest, but if you show them those moves, they slowly realize those are very good moves. I risked to lose more than one game vs him, even as White. Luckily I still managed to draw, and in my opinion he also accepted some draws too quickly.

- With the last evolutions of chess engines, playing better & better chess, would you say that you now spend less time on each game or not at all?

I don't spend less time on my games, I still try to use (almost) all the time on my "clock". Trying to analyze as many variations as possible with the time you are given has little to do with engines improvement, who still are far from being able to always suggesting the best move by simply letting them run for hours on a static position. You need to analyze going "forward" in the position in order to be able to find the best moves.

- By the way, it is said sometimes (again) that correspondence chess will not survive the decade, what do you think? Do you envisage to change for Go or poker like many players? :)

Wins and Losses still happen even at the highest levels at the present time. I think that many years still have to pass before having all draws in high level tournaments. When that happens... and it will probably happen sooner or later as chess in my opinion is a draw with perfect play... then probably new rules will be introduced, maybe the board will be enlarged and even new pieces with new movements might be invented.

- You now are ICCF GM with an impressive 2624 rating, how are going your other correspondence chess competitions? Do you have any goal to reach yet?

All my ICCF tournaments are going good, and very soon I will be Italian Champion once again (just waiting my last opponent to resign a lost position). I still haven't reached the first place in the italian elo rating list though. That would be a goal I would surely have pleasure in reaching, and of course I would like to win the ICCF's World Championship at least once. After that I can retire :-)

- Thank you Eros, also for this great correspondence chess lesson.

Welcome Thib! A pleasure for me.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-02 11:38:49)
A radical idea?

Nope, the idea is not radical at all... Now I know that I can do it quite easily in the waiting list system (not challenges)!

I can't do it right now but do not hesitate to harass me :)


Garvin Gray    (2012-10-06 17:21:33)
WCH Final match

After having read Eros Riccio's answers to the interview questions on his defending his title twice, I am proposing a few changes to the final match.

I wish to make it clear that this is not in any way an attack on any person. They can only play to the rules set and try to use those rules to their advantage.

My issue is with the rules themselves.

I would like to propose a new format for the final match, because I think it is ridiculous that any player can defend their title with short draws and make no real attempt to prove that they are superior than their opponent.

Of course if the challenger is happy to draw all eight or twelve games, then that is their 'fault' as well.

My proposal is the following:

After eight games, if neither player has won a game, then the match continues for another four games.

In the first eight games, if both sides have won at least one game each, then the result is a drawn match and the champion keeps their title.

In the tie breaking four games, as soon as one player wins a game, the match is over.

I think the current rules are weighted way too much in favour of the champion, which as we have seen from these two games, the champion does not even have to try to prove that he is better than the challenger, but can just draw all eight/twelve games and retain the title.

Thib, please change the rules for this upcoming cycle.


Jose Carrizo    (2012-10-07 01:43:48)
WCH Final match

Very interesting proposal Garvin,and I see the point, but I think there is a problem with: "In the tie breaking four games, as soon as one player wins a game, the match is over." A lost position may be continued to avoid the first loss.
Maybe the tiebreak games must be played in faster time controls, and so on, like tiebreaks in OTB chess.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-07 19:16:15)
WCH Final match

I'm not sure if there can be a real debate on this issue (but we can try of course)... all opinions are in the nature, when I created FICGS I had in mind the original FIDE WCH and I'm still a huge fan of this system. Now fact is FIDE WCH does not mean anything anymore (its champions as well) after numerous bad changes and I feel FICGS chess WCH makes sense more and more.

12 games is enough to fight for a win IMO and I'm sure that there are a few players able to beat Eros in such a match (doesn't mean it would happen anytime though :)), I'm just too impatient to watch the next ones. Eros is building his name in correspondence chess in multiple places at the same time, and the fact that it happened here so quickly after he joined us makes me think that the system is good! I see nothing to change, the result of his match with Alberto was fully explained by Eros, the score has no importance at the end... and he deserves his other title in the other cycle even more by not having to play the final match... just my opinion of course, as I can understand all systems (ICCF etc.), just a question of personal taste at the end.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-09 13:44:04)
Go Gangnam Style :-)

Who still doesn't know this korean hit by Psy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

It seems that the game of Go appears in the video (didn't notice when I saw it last week) seen more than 400.000.000 times already on Youtube, which is huuuuuge! Good for the game...

Anyway, that cr*p is quite funny :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-09 18:52:25)
WCH Final match

Of course this correspondence chess championship is very different from FIDE WCH, but it seems to me that 12 games is still enough (24 games would be quite inhuman by the way), the score in the latest final matches was not significant on the draws issue, particularly now that we all know how Eros deals with it (in a smart way that can be compared to Kramnik's strategy in his match vs. Kasparov: draw with Berlin's defence, fight with White if no risk). IMO the champion has nothing to prove as he made it in a whole cycle and by beating the previous one, while a challenger should at least be able to win one game out of 12.

Actually the real evolution should have been towards freestyle chess, but it has no success enough to organize a whole cycle and it looks like Eros is the king as well. Also I don't like the idea to melt different time controls like FIDE does. The whole challenge is about one thing, not 3 or 4 differents kinds of games.

I love the past tradition not because it is a tradition, but because I really think it is the best system so far! If a new system proves to be better to me (there will always be a question of taste though, of course) then we would have to discuss it here.

The only way to encourage players to try for wins is to go towards the ICCF format, that has other issues that I wanted to avoid at any price. And why to do the same?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-09 19:16:42)
WCH Final match

No problem, I understand your concern... well I believe that these short draws are just a problem instead of another, at least we have a clear champion! What will happen when round-robin WCH tournaments (ICCF format) will be decided by Soderborn or whatever because of several winners with 6,5 or 7 out of 12 points, as it seems to happen in some tournaments... Though there is no better way to encourage players to win than RR tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-15 12:58:54)
for 2013 poker tourneys

The idea is to have less time to finish a poker game, particularly when we play many moves a day... But mathematically the 1 move per day problem will probably remain :/

Don is right, the longest poker game so far here is more than 3300 moves (probably more than 500 hands), it can take a while to play it.


Roy Shapland    (2012-10-24 14:00:23)
How to amend rating?

Signed up in last 24 hours. Just noticed now that I'm 56 fide points higher then I remembered. The rating is used in tournament pairing so feel that making it correct is helpful to all. How do I get this fixed?


Roy Shapland    (2012-10-27 00:58:36)
How to amend rating?

Can I email, or pm you somehow?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-10-27 01:07:25)
How to amend rating?

Of course yes, sorry I forgot to mention it. Just send an email to : info (arobase) ficgs.com


Garvin Gray    (2012-11-03 02:02:48)
Eros Riccio wins 6th and 7th chess WCH

Under the system we have at the moment, for a person to become Ficgs world champ, do they need to beat Eros Riccio in two consecutive matches to become champion?


Michael Aigner    (2012-11-06 15:34:52)
The very unofficial World Championship

Hello everybody,
the computer chess enthusiast of the CSS forum are trying to organise a match "Houdini 3 versus Rybka Cluster".

The initiative came from the maintainer of the renowned IPON rating list. His estimation for two long games is 864 ducats. There more the better. I didn't observe how much was donated already, but quite a lot, and there is big enthusiasm about it. It seems that very good hardware for the Houdini side, and a way to collect the ducats at Playchess, have already been organized.

For details, see http://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=5093

(I guess Google translation can help if required, with the usual quirks.)

If somebody likes the idea it would be easy to participate there too.

All the best, Michael


Don Groves    (2012-11-22 06:53:18)
The very unofficial World Championship

The results are posted on Houdini's facebook page after each game. Friend it and you will get them as they occur.


Roy Shapland    (2012-11-22 10:33:02)
How to amend rating?

email sent but nothing has yet changed.


Nick Burrows    (2012-11-25 11:50:37)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?

Hi, I find these very distracting. I can't see an option to remove them in preferences.
Thanks, Nick.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-11-27 14:20:39)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?

Hi Nick.

Yes, I remember that very rare problem... what's your navigator? It seems to me that it happened for one player on all navigators and nothig could prevent it.

Unfortunately this box is useful so that everything works fine for all other players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-11-27 18:16:07)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?

Sure, by the way it is a general advice whatever the matter...

eg. "Ouch, it's hot - Don't use IE" :)

That said and more seriously, if I remember well, it also happened once on Firefox or Chrome for 1 player and I never understood why.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-11-27 20:47:27)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?

Really? (seems to me that I did not see you for a while, indeed)

So, how was this come back to society? Any regret (of the yurt, of course)?!


Nick Burrows    (2012-11-28 19:13:12)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?

Well I was not completely removed from society as I had access to a house which was about 200 metres away. It was wonderful to live simply amongst nature, chopping wood & carrying water! Cold in winter once the stove went out, but a wonderful experience...


Nick Burrows    (2012-11-30 15:52:55)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?

I have switched to Firefox and it fixed the problem - thankyou.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-01 23:09:11)
Houdini 3.0

It seems that Houdini 3.0 is available as a commercial program for a few weeks at Cruxis website.

The 64-bit 4CPU would have reached a 3334 elo rating on the CCRL 40/4 list. This is about 90 points more than the free version Houdini 1.5a which seems to be a great improvement!

I just read on Wikipedia that Houdini was used by Viswanathan Anand [FIDE world champion]... It seems that it beats Rybka 4 in every match. In brief, Houdini is by far the best chess engine nowadays...


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-02 00:50:54)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Hello all,

As I mentioned in the chat bar, there is a problem to build new groups as I usually do a few weeks after the start of the chess championship...

Players who entered the waiting list for replacements are:

AUT Rada, Hannes 2465
ISR Blinchevsky, Alexander 2206
ITA Bonoldi, Fabio 2049
DEU Wolf, Bernd 2113
ARG Reboredo, Daniel 1941
ITA Fabris, Alberto 1995
ITA Piantadosi, Angelo 1319
UKR Simashkevitch, Mykola 1987
DEU Lommler, Jan Peter 1860
BEL Pepermans, Toon 2000
USA Batal, Jean 1960
GBR Hancock, Sarah 1614
USA Johnson, Bobby 2412
GBR Burrows, Nick 1935
UKR Malish, Dmitriy 1146
COL Rey, Eduardo 1800
FRA Satonnet, Patrick 1351
GBR Soszynski, Marek 2143
POL Nig, Piotr 2028
USA Davis, Mark 1192
FRA Estieu, Frederick 1383
USA Lovelace, Randy 1504
CAN Deline, Ralph 2179
UKR Bromo, Alexis 1129
BIH Dautovic, Dzenan 1653
USA Knighton, Robert 1950


4 players rated 1500-1800 already replaced those who were to lose their games on time... As a result, we have many players rated 1900-2100 and too few with low ratings. Of course players rated 2400+ will not like to play in regular groups.

Right now I could create only one group with a similar rating average, nothing more but I would have to choose a few players only, which is not a great solution. I tried several combinations, M groups and so on.

I know that a few players would prefer not to see these new groups created and right now I see no solution good enough to create it.

If I cannot find any idea, I think there won't be new groups this time.

Any suggestion?


Robert Knighton    (2012-12-02 04:33:02)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

"Round-robin tournaments are groups of 7, 9, 11 or 13 players, there may be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players". . . The first group might be pushing it a little bit with Alexander being a bit low rated compared to the other two... but the rest looks ok to me. What do you think?

3 Man Double Round Robin
AUT Rada, Hannes 2465
USA Johnson, Bobby 2412
ISR Blinchevsky, Alexander 2206

3 Man Double Round Robin
CAN Deline, Ralph 2179
GBR Soszynski, Marek 2143
DEU Wolf, Bernd 2113

11 Man Round Robin
ITA Bonoldi, Fabio 2049
POL Nig, Piotr 2028
BEL Pepermans, Toon 2000
ITA Fabris, Alberto 1995
UKR Simashkevitch, Mykola 1987
USA Batal, Jean 1960
USA Knighton, Robert 1950
ARG Reboredo, Daniel 1941
GBR Burrows, Nick 1935
DEU Lommler, Jan Peter 1860
COL Rey, Eduardo 1800

3 Man Double Round Robin
BIH Dautovic, Dzenan 1653
GBR Hancock, Sarah 1614
USA Lovelace, Randy 1504

3 Man Double Round Robin
FRA Estieu, Frederick 1383
FRA Satonnet, Patrick 1351
ITA Piantadosi, Angelo 1319

3 Man Double Round Robin
USA Davis, Mark 1192
UKR Malish, Dmitriy 1146
UKR Bromo, Alexis 1129


Don Groves    (2012-12-02 04:50:44)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

On the entry page for the Chess WCH is written:

deadline : 2012 november 1st

Since new entries are still being accepted, it appears that "deadline" is an incorrect word here. Is there a real deadline and, if so, when is it?


Wayne Lowrance    (2012-12-02 04:54:10)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Robert, I do not think it is fair to insert Alexander with those too strong players. It is a problem. I can understands Thibault's problem now. Well what ever he decides is oki with me. but I would really oppose suggest divergent ratings in a group. In fact Rada has a problem he is by too high for even being that 3 group. I just do not know enough about these things to contribute.


Robert Knighton    (2012-12-02 05:03:13)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

You could do this but.. I don't know how good it would be. I would be willing to play outside my rating if that would help. I'm still new to FICGS so my rating isn't a very good comparison with other players here yet.

2 Man Double Round Robin
AUT Rada, Hannes 2465
USA Johnson, Bobby 2412


4 Man Double Round Robin
ISR Blinchevsky, Alexander 2206
CAN Deline, Ralph 2179
GBR Soszynski, Marek 2143
DEU Wolf, Bernd 2113


Stephane Legrand    (2012-12-02 09:12:23)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

why not:

as you always do :

2 Man Double Round Robin
AUT Rada, Hannes 2465
USA Johnson, Bobby 2412

and after
24 players in 3 groups of 8 players with 123123123...


Don Groves    (2012-12-02 11:48:49)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

OK, I understand accepting players past the deadline to replace those who have dropped out. But what is the rationale for adding new groups after the deadline?


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-02 12:45:42)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Robert/Stephane, it is also mentioned in the WCH rules: "Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages."

By the way all similar groups must have the same number of players, otherwise it would be impossible to be fair when building the next round tournaments.

@Don: Yes, the deadline does not change but there are a few lines in "My messages" that explain that it is still possible to enter the waiting list (without guarantee to be included in a tournament).


Garvin Gray    (2012-12-02 12:48:21)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

I agree with Don. Whilst not liking it, I understand for norm purposes and 'fairer' qualification chances between different groups, replacements are required.

I really do hope that the replacements are of similar rating to the player who forfeited their games.

But I certainly do not agree with adding new groups or players. All these players have entered the waiting list because they entered after the deadline.

If they get a run, they have been fortunate. To those who miss out, the message should be enter on time next time to guarantee your spot.

So Thibault, I think you are complicating matters way too much. Make the replacements to counteract the forfeits and that is it.


Nick Burrows    (2012-12-02 13:09:34)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

I think people are getting a bit too uptight!

Allowing new players hardly affects anyone's chances of progressing in the tournament, yet it allows the late players who didn't have the opportunity to log in a chance to play in the most enjoyable of all tournaments on Ficgs.


Garvin Gray    (2012-12-02 13:51:13)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Nick- Did not have the oppportunity???? The waiting list for the wch is open for a month, sometimes even more. Any player who wants to enter can do so at any stage between when the waiting list opens and when it closes. So they have 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for four or more weeks to enter.

It is not like the entry period for the waiting list is only open for a couple of days.

The only people who could claim they did not have much opportunity to enter were those who only just joined the site before the waiting list closed.

As for why some of us might be 'getting too uptight'. Those who entered by the deadline have been seeded correctly as per the rules. Which means for some they have been placed in M groups with all those players being rated over 2200.

To now see the possibility of having a weak M group, which means those who have entered by the deadline have now been substantially disadvantaged compared to those who entered late.

I really do not care at all for your 'we are getting too uptight' argument Nick.

Those who respond have every right to debate the pros and cons of what is being proposed.

If you have something to actually add to this issue in terms of finding an acceptable answer for Thibault's conundrum, or wish to try and point out why his solution is not a good one, then feel free to add something to the debate and thread.

A few of us have pointed issues with Thibault's idea and our disagreement with the whole approach. That is our right to do so.

None of us have been abusive, derogatory or demeaning of anyone else, even if we disagree with the other viewpoints.

If I am an example of getting too uptight, in your opinion, so be it, but I do not like at all when players are able to enter late and even more when they look like, or are, getting an advantage they would not have gotten if they entered before the deadline.


Nick Burrows    (2012-12-02 14:04:13)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

I did not have the opportunity to enter, because I did not log on for the month it was open, as did the other players who did not enter.

I have not been "abusive, derogatory or demeaning" - lighten up! I believe I have every right in a public forum to express my perspective also, and that is that it is a game, some people take it too seriously, and that all those who were allowed to enter the waiting list, simply want the thrill of enjoying the game. That is all.


Robert Knighton    (2012-12-02 14:45:47)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

My computer broke down on me about 2 1/2 months ago. I have been without a computer until a couple weeks ago.

I could not have signed up on time :/

And I'd be willing to bet most late signups were for lack of knowledge of the tournaments available, how they work, or that they exist at all. This site is not exactly new user friendly. Getting games is confusing until you understand the unique system being used here. Same goes for finding and entering tournaments.

If I cant get in then so be it; no hard feelings, but if I can get the chance to play, that would be wonderful. What I really want is the chance to play stronger opponents. I'm still stuck in the sub 2k rating bands until more of my games finish.


Don Groves    (2012-12-03 03:24:28)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

To clarify my position on this matter: I was not implying I don't like adding new groups after the deadline, I was simply asking for the rationale for doing so. My view is that we are all better off if these kinds of things are written in the rules so there are no surprises of this sort.


Alexander Blinchevsky    (2012-12-03 06:55:41)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Wayne wrote: "I do not think it is fair to insert Alexander with those too strong players."
Actually I like to play people stronger than me, so the suggested 3-man group will be very exciting for me.
Any decision will be understandable :)


Robert Knighton    (2012-12-03 17:57:26)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

any decision on this yet?

imo Do the best you can. Get as many people in as possible. include as many as you can and the ones you cant include just have to wait for the next opportunity.

I certainly don't want to hold anyone else back just because it might not be "fair" for them to get in but not me.

"Right now I could create only one group with a similar rating average, nothing more but I would have to choose a few players only, which is not a great solution"

not great but still better than nothing at all.

I would like to hear what your thoughts are on this after hearing everyone's opinions.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-05 14:20:36)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Well, at the end I think that best is to do the same than in the previous editions. If I can build only one group then be it.

A few players will be picked up randomly to have a similar rating average. At least, as Garvin says, there will be a consequence for all players who entered the waiting list after the deadline, which seems fair.

The new group(s) will be created tomorrow.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-05 15:16:00)
Server change on dec. 9, 2012

Hello all,

As I just mentioned it in the newsletter, there will be a server change within 7 days, most probably on december 9, 2012.

I'll have to add 7 days to all clocks to avoid losses on time due to a possible slow DNS update by internet providers.


Wayne Lowrance    (2012-12-05 18:27:37)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Robert Knighton. You dont understand me. I was saying it is unfair for the two strong player having to compete against a much weaker player. It would have cost him point 4 sure.
BTW I must say. I very much agree with Don Groves opinions he has stated. here. Chess is a very structure event. Touch & move example. Thib's rules are just wrong ! period.I have said with rules in place he has a very difficult task. I said I would support him in his decision. But if it were left up to me. I would simply state, Late and your out ! NO excuses. that is just the way it should be. Sorry if I am offending anyone, it certainly is NOT my intention
Wayne


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-05 19:02:36)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Hi Wayne,

Of course this is a very coherent opinion... but there are reasons why I created these new groups since the very first championship:

There may be several players who cannot be included into tournaments when I create them (because of the number of players per tournament). To exclude nobody, I had to wait for a few players to enter it... but of course there was always too few or too many of them, with too high or too low ratings. So I decided that the prioriy was to start as many tournaments as possible to make it as competitive as possible.


Wayne Lowrance    (2012-12-05 20:07:58)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Okey Dokey. You have examined the topic carefully and have experienced the task of grouping players. I have not. But looking out of the jail cell of my thoughts I do not agree. It just seems like it s/b possible to just have a cut off date and no exceptions.
I guess your problem is in your opinion too large a grouping or too small a grouping, keeping rating gradient to less that 100 . I would rather play in a group even if only 2 or 3 players qualified in my rating group. Thinking hard as I generate this response I begin to appreciate more of your problem. Hey what the heck do I know anyhow. ::) Wayne


Robert Knighton    (2012-12-05 21:34:02)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Wayne Lowrance said: "Robert Knighton. You dont understand me. I was saying it is unfair for the two strong player having to compete against a much weaker player. It would have cost him point 4 sure. "

Yeah I see what you mean there. Even if I could compete at that level then those players at a higher rating would suffer for it.

Also, no offense taken. We can peacefully agree to disagree on issues and perhaps we can settle it with a game one day :)

Seems like there should be a provisional tournament that new players coming to FICGS enter into automatically to determine rating, but that is a discussion for another place.


Wayne Lowrance    (2012-12-05 22:36:06)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

yes, I am sort of a wildcat person, so I would not expect all to agree with me and all have my respect.
I do understand problems to new comers Entering into a new rating system. Advancing is difficult. Here at this site all are playing Centaur chess. Which means in the end you have to beat the program input to the Centaur. I wish I knew of a way to help you. because of illness I resigned all my current games causing a loss of rating from 2500 to 2280 Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2012-12-05 22:39:39)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC

Oppps, it was my intent to delete that last part cause it has no bearing on this topic, Sorry Wayne


Don Groves    (2012-12-11 04:19:10)
The very unofficial World Championship

The Rybka cluster is a 64-core monster. Houdini is running on a 16-core system.


Robert Knighton    (2012-12-11 18:21:23)
Improving visibility of draw offers

javascript info box notice?

Your opponent has offered you a draw
____
|OK|

seems like a simple, minimally invasive way to make sure it's seen


Garvin Gray    (2012-12-13 16:52:12)
WBCCC 2013

This information is in regards to the World Blitz Correspondence Chess Championship for the year 2013.

It is held on Rybka Forum www.rybkaforum.net.

There is a full sub forum located on that forum that explains a lot of the rules, current list of players and specifics of information.

For a general run down, read on:

My name is Garvin Gray and I am the organiser and arbiter for this event. This event attempts to bring as many strong correspondence and freestyle players together from all the different playing sites, such as iccf, ficgs, playchess, lss and many other sites.

As the title says, this is a blitz event, meaning the time controls are short compared to normal correspondence play. This requires players to devote a greater share of their focus to these games than would normal correspondence play.

This event has been held for two years now, with the 2012 version still in progress. Feel free to browse the 2012 sub forum to see the games and how the structure works.

In the two years of this event, I feel that many new discoveries have been made and advanced freestyle chess knowledge has certainly been increased, to the benefit of all. Those who have participated in both events have gained a lot from their participation and I want to see this continue.

To allow this event to start and finish in one calendar year, we start in mid January and for 2013, it will finish in mid December. The format requires that you will play one game as white and one game as black in each round. There are 10 games in total.

Each round is paired as an individual swiss using the dutch pairing rules, but accommodations are made because each person must have one white and one black game per round.

Kibitizing is allowed and encouraged, but discussions about future positions, game analysis or anything else that could affect the result of the game is not allowed. Feel free to read the thread on game commentary.

There will also be a thread for each round that allows discussion of events during the round, general discussion about games or other general chit chat.

We do seek to provide a friendly, but competitive environment for those who want to advance their freestyle skills, or test themselves against other players from the different sites. This event will take up quite a bit of your time as the time control is fast, the play is difficult and the enjoyment factor high.

This is not meant to be a deterrent, but I feel I should make it clear that you need to be dedicated and willing to play each and every game/round.

Withdrawing or timing out mid game is not acceptable and will see you removed from the event. If you think you can not complete a particular round, it is better to contact me and have you withdrawn from that round. You are free to rejoin the event in these circumstances, but will receive zero points for those two missed games.

I hope to see more entries and good freestyling to everyone.

Cheers,

Garvin Gray
WBCCC 2013 Organiser


Alvin Alcala    (2012-12-13 21:18:12)
Improving visibility of draw offers

A popup window showing "a draw offered" will fix the problem.


Neel Basant    (2012-12-15 04:05:40)
Houdini 3.0

Not all forum members( Players)
I donot use Aquarium ..
It sometime cannot help.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-16 01:40:17)
Go position in American Horror Story

Did you notice this nice Go position in Episode 4 / Season 2 of "American Horror Story" ?

Does anyone know something on this position? Seems that it's taken from a finished game.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-21 00:56:41)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Dear chessfriends,

I just received this proposition to play a "Chess Server Team Tournament" that would be played on ICCF web server:

Any opinion? Who would be interested to play such a tournament?

____________________________

Dear Thibault!

In recent years many friendly matches between different chess servers have been played. It has become a good tradition to organize such matches. A very good idea is to organize a round-robin tournament to find out the strongest team of a chess server.

We invite a team of your server to take part in the first unofficial correspondence chess championship for chess servers.

The championship is unofficial, because ICCF Officials do not head it.

The Organizer and Tournament Director is Pavlikov Andrey Nikolaevich who is experienced in organizing and directing both domestic (Russian) and international correspondence chess tournaments.

Invitations have been sent to administrators of the following chess servers:

Bestlogic – http://www.bestlogic.ru/
Chesshere – http://www.chesshere.com/
FICGS – http://www.ficgs.com/
GameKnot – http://gameknot.com/
LSS – http://www.chess-server.net/
SchemingMind – http://www.schemingmind.com/

Chess Planet – http://chessplanet.ru/pages/game-zone (to play chess on this server one must have a client program which is free to download at main page of the site)


If you have a proposal to add any chess server, it will be taken in consideration.

Regulations of the event
http://www.mocorrchess.narod.ru/wccstc/en/regen.html

Information on the event may be seen at http://www.mocorrchess.narod.ru/wccstc/wccstc.html


Best wishes, Andrey Pavlikov,

Russian Correspondence Chess Association Vice-President,

The Organizer of the event


Garvin Gray    (2012-12-21 09:51:28)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Having read the regulations :) I think there could be a few improvements.

1) The time control is wayyy too long and unnecessary. Our time control of 30 days plus 1 day increment is suitable
2) Only able to contact the tournament director through your team captain contravenes the laws of chess and also is ridiculous.

If a player has an issue with their game, they should be able to contact the td themselves. It is their game afterall.

3) Will the teams play in rating order?


Nick Burrows    (2012-12-21 18:19:55)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Hi guys, I would like to play if I qualify.

I noticed from previous conversations I had with members of other servers about a match, that longer time controls are usually preferred. Personally I would prefer quicker limits, but will happily play at any control. A slow match is better than no match!


Garvin Gray    (2012-12-22 03:31:31)
Show opponents time

Hello Thibault,

I would like to see a display change.

Currently in my games, either in pending or running games setting, the amount of time I have remaining is showing. I would like to see a column which shows how much time my opponents have remaining.

I think this would be quite useful.

Please make this change :)

Cheers,

Garvin


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-24 21:15:31)
Mayan apocalypse is here !

I heard about another one in 2014 (related to "Kabbalah" if I remember well), obviously there is also one in 2013 and... many others in the future.

There would have been at least 181 ends of the world so far, so there is good hope for the future after all :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

The one in 2014 is not even mentioned there...


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-24 22:03:56)
Show opponents time

Well, the main problem is space... there is no problem when names are not too long but this is not always the case.

I tried to make this page as fast to load as possible, I'm not sure if this would be useful but I can envisage this as an option.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-12-29 22:46:10)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Well, actually many answers are in the tournament regulations...

If I understand well, each player should play from 8 games (!) to 16 games according to the number of servers participating (from 4 to 8), which is a lot...

- Is this ICCF rated? It seems that it is.

- How many boards in the teams? I read 30, which is a lot! Maybe too much.

- Will the teams play in rating order? I have no idea.


If we have players enough to enter this tournament then we can vote for a captain if several players want to be. As for me, I won't be able to play it.

The real question is who will be able to play 8 to 16 games on the ICCF server... As far as I can remember, we never found 30 players for a team event so far, without counting the forfeits.

So far, it seems that 2 servers accepted to participate while Chess.com declined the invitation.


Regulations:

http://www.mocorrchess.narod.ru/wccstc/en/regen.html

5.1. No less than 4 and no more than 8 teams to play the event. The teams represent chess servers. No one server is allowed to enter the event with no more than 1 team. Teams play each other in an each-to-each round-robin tournament.

5.2. Each team plays each team in a team match on 30 boards. Each player of a team plays 2 games (one with White pieces, one with Black pieces) with one player of the other team. Reserve players are prohibited to begin the games.

5.3. The team consists of 30 players. No more than 5 reserve players may be added in a team squad.

5.4. The games are rated for ICCF rating.

5.5. Time control is 30 days for 10 moves (with duplication after 20 days is used for a single move).

5.6. 30 days of leave per year are available for each player.

5.7. The team mates and captain can see the games live. Live transmission for public is delayed by 5 moves.

5.8. ICCF Playing rules are applied for the event. The playing rules may be seen at special page


Garvin Gray    (2012-12-30 03:11:59)
Chess Server Team Tournament

I think the 30 boards could be made up of 8 players each play four games, so that would be 32 boards.

Asking for 30 separate players seems too unlikely, and rather unwieldy for a first concept try.


George Clement    (2012-12-31 18:36:23)
Show opponents time

I for this option. It would greatly help with the slow opponents in some tours.


Mark Josse    (2013-01-03 21:05:10)
winning on time

Hi All

I have won some games on time but they dont seem to show up in my future rating performance. Do you get rating points for time wins or do they become unrated games ?
Please Advise
Thanks
Mark


George Clement    (2013-01-07 19:27:15)
Show opponents time

Thibault have you made any progress on this as an option yet? I think it is a real good idea.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-10 00:21:28)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Finally, I sent an email to all players about this tournament... we'll see if we can find 30 players. Not so easy IMO.


Valery Nemchenko    (2013-01-10 05:22:51)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Dear Thibault!
I am willing to participate in the team event of FICGS e server. My rating ICCF-2465. Please let me know who else from our server will be played on a board which I claim? Best regards, Valery


Sergey Demchenko    (2013-01-10 09:55:59)
Chess Server Team Tournament

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Sergey Demchenko    (2013-01-10 12:02:20)
Chess Server Team Tournament

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Neel Basant    (2013-01-10 14:40:30)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Confirmed( Interested) Players according to replies.


1.Daniel Parmet
2.Alvin Alcala
3.Bogoljub Teverovski
4.Nick Burrows
5.Wayne Lowrance
6.Neel Basant
7.Ostap Hladky
8.Niklas Hallqvist
9.Arkadiusz Wosch
10.Daniel Blike
11.Josef Zmolil
12.Jiri Mach
13.Jose Moreira
14.Om Prakash
15.John Worthington
16.Garvin Gray
17.Arnab Sengupta
18.Ray Downs
19.Valery Nemchenko
20.Dinesh Bhandarkar
21.Shih-Chu Liao
22.Frits Bleker
23.Thomas Hasyn
24.Sergey Demchenko
25.Maxim Genchev
26.Mathaios Vardoulakis
27.Claudio Cabrera
28.Kieran Moore
29.
30.

Wow..
What a response!!!!!
sure Within 2/3 days will be more than 100 players.
Thib will have a headache while selecting 30 players..


Rich Pinkall Pollei    (2013-01-10 17:15:52)
Chess Server Team Tournament

I can play. My ICCF member # is 515095.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-10 17:59:37)
Chess Server Team Tournament

William Fuller is also interested to play. (received by email)

So, I accepted the invitation!

Now we need a team captain... Any volunteers? :)


Daniel Parmet    (2013-01-10 18:11:49)
Chess Server Team Tournament

I volunteer to be team captain. But we now have 31 players wanting to play. Also I would point out that we will probably get slaughtered on the lower boards as things stand right now. I saw at least one person wanting an ICCF team average of 2300. I would point out that I think a 2000 player here is 2300 over there but as things stand our FICGS rating average is 1964 based on the top 30 players ratings. For the 9 players that do have ICCF ratings our rating average is 2235.

Here is what information I could collect on our team so far:
Name FICGS Rating ICCF ID ICCF Rating TITLE Comment
1 Ostap Hladky 2527 941012 FIM
2 Valery Nemchenko 2521 940836 2465
3 Frits Bleker 2313 220159 2395
4 Garvin Gray 2281 30503 1993
5 Alvin Alcala 2237 896046
6 Wayne Lowrance 2194 FIM
7 Maxim Genchev 2187 940752 2309 Wants ICCF average of 2300
8 Arkadiusz Wosch 2169 89923 2307
9 Neel Basant 2138 280279
10 Daniel Parmet 2098 514938 2300
11 Om Prakash 2091 280243
12 Bogoljub Teverovski 2083 862003
13 Niklas Hallqvist 2082 451419
14 Kieran Moore 2042 260252
15 William Fuller 2033 514688 2350
16 Dmitry Tsimbalenko 1959 142268
17 Sergey Demchenko 1955 142224 2077
18 Nick Burrows 1944 212164
19 Rich Pinkall Pollei 1900 515095
20 Daniel Blike 1874 515250
21 Jose Moreira 1831 Are you the IM Jose Moreira id#399007, Rating 2390?
22 Thomas Hasyn 1808 865001 1922
23 Mathaios Vardoulakis 1800
24 Dinesh Bhandarkar 1707
25 Shih-Chu Liao 1660
26 Josef Zmolil 1632
27 Ray Downs 1536
28 John Worthington 1510 515287
29 Claudio Cabrera 1462
30 Arnab Sengupta 1340 280192
31 Jiri Mach 1010


Sergey Demchenko    (2013-01-10 18:19:59)
Chess Server Team Tournament

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Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-10 22:26:30)
Chess Server Team Tournament

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Dear friends,

I'm very sorry, it seems that only 8 teams can play the tournament and they just found 8..... So we cannot play it.

Maybe 2 parallel tournaments could be possible but well, it wouldn't be the same thing, I guess.

That's my bad, I didn't think this would be a speed race and I was not so confident to find so many players interested. Obviously I was wrong :/

My apologies to all. Anyway, that's a good thing to know that server team tournaments played at ICCF web server are popular in the whole correspondence chess world. We'll be there next time!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Daniel Parmet    (2013-01-11 00:31:14)
Chess Server Team Tournament

How sad that they did not bother to tell us there was a hard deadline. Seems quite improper. They send an invite then rescind it!


Maxim Genchev    (2013-01-12 10:54:08)
Chess Server Team Tournament

Respected organization FICGS!
Please tell me, have you an official invitation to the participation in the team competition of the servers?
The fact is that until now, I was told, there is no agreement on this championship with IKCHF.V this case (if one has an official invitation and was later denied participation on the team FICGS) it is reasonable to make a complaint to the ICCF


Dmitriy Malish    (2013-01-12 16:17:34)
Progressive Chess

In progressive chess, every move is a series-move. White starts with a series of 1 move, black answers with a series of 2 moves, white answers with a series of 3 moves, etc.
White starts the game by playing one move, Black answers with two and so on, always increasing by one the length of the series. Check may only be given with the last move of a series and must be defended with the first one.
Example.
1. e4
2. e6 Bb4
Bb4 seems to be ineffective.
3. a3 axb4 Nh3
Nh3 protects f2.
4. b5 c5 d6 Kd7
At first sight Black's moves seem valid but
they leave too much room for White to operate.
5. d4 dxc5 Bg5 Bxd8 Qxd6+
White has a strong position. First, Black must move the
King, and then he needs a least three moves to eliminate
White's Queen.
6. Ke8 Nf6 Nxe4 Nxd6 Kxd8 Kc7
There were not too many possibilities left.
7. Ra6 Rxd6 Bxb5 Ba6 Na3 Nb5++
A nice mate.

What about making this game on site?


Don Groves    (2013-01-13 05:07:27)
Progressive Chess

Seems to strongly favor White. Any statistics?


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 00:23:43)
FICGS admin scam me

This admin is a big liar and scammer. I post here all story.
In 2010 I ask him how I cashout if I wish to.Bellow is our conversation :

"Re : cashoutMonday, January 4, 2010 3:25 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Thibault de Vassal" - ficgs at yahoo . com - Add sender to Contacts
Hello,

There's no button, you just have to ask me :) How many Epoints do you want to convert in Euros ?

Please specify your email at Paypal or Moneybookers.

Best wishes,
Thibault

Hi!

I don't see the button for cashout! Where is it? "

He didn't tell me nothing about some condition.Why? Because that time
was not specified.

Bellow is our conversation in the present time :

"Hi, I wish to cashout my 7,14 Epoints, to my Paypal account.Thank you.Regards.

Hello ,

You have to win at least one silver/gold tournament to cash out Epoints, feel free to read the conditions here:
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#prize"

...and on chat:

petrescu horatiuadrian :
you are a charlatan
(2013-01-15 23:46:58)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
I lost more than 7 euros,My deposit was much more
(2013-01-15 23:32:03)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
I just ask my money only ,not a profit or an interest
(2013-01-15 23:31:13)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
not crook.
(2013-01-15 23:29:42)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
you think I care about 7 euros ,I have checked you if are or
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you are a bank,but for you only
(2013-01-15 23:26:30)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
you are just a liar
(2013-01-15 23:25:15)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
your rule
(2013-01-15 23:24:44)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
you told me about L511 ,I checked and write nothing about
devassal thibault :
This is a games server, conditions are clear on this...
(2013-01-15 23:17:12)

devassal thibault :
I would have told you to deposit? So, to be a bank for you?
(2013-01-15 23:16:07)

devassal thibault :
This is only a misunderstanding, obviously. sorry about that
(2013-01-15 23:15:09)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
You lied to me to make deposit here
(2013-01-15 23:14:01)

devassal thibault :
.. and let's see what others think...
(2013-01-15 23:13:59)

devassal thibault :
Just publish this email on the forum...
(2013-01-15 23:13:43)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
you think I am naive?then why you lied me then,in 2010?
(2013-01-15 23:12:10)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
ahaha,you are not lawer ,you are liar,liar, liar
(2013-01-15 23:09:24)

devassal thibault :
I'm not lawyer, but a lawyer told me what I can or cannot do


petrescu horatiuadrian :
from the law
(2013-01-15 22:39:35)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
ok ,tell me the article of legislation or give me the link
(2013-01-15 22:39:27)

devassal thibault :
french laws... but I guess that's the same in most countries
(2013-01-15 22:30:41)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
tell me which laws ,yours laws?or what
(2013-01-15 22:25:52)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
which laws?
(2013-01-15 22:24:57)

burrows nick :
ah!
(2013-01-15 22:02:52)

devassal thibault :
as money prize, by winning silver/gold tournaments
(2013-01-15 21:57:38)

burrows nick :
how is money recouped?
(2013-01-15 21:40:31)

devassal thibault :
FICGS cannot be a bank... that's you ask for
(2013-01-15 21:15:02)

devassal thibault :
In one word : because of laws...
(2013-01-15 21:13:32)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
or you don t want because the terms?
(2013-01-15 20:59:26)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
speak clear
(2013-01-15 20:58:33)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
I don t understand why u cannot,because the server?
(2013-01-15 20:58:24)

devassal thibault :
That's the point of this server after all
(2013-01-15 20:40:34)

devassal thibault :
Anyway, winning one silver game would solve the problem...
(2013-01-15 20:40:10)

devassal thibault :
.. but the fact is that I cannot do this & never could
(2013-01-15 20:39:11)

devassal thibault :
We can even discuss it in the forum if you want...
(2013-01-15 20:37:09)

devassal thibault :
That's specified in the conditions... just read it
(2013-01-15 20:36:18)

devassal thibault :
The number of Epoints had to be a multiple of tournament fee
(2013-01-15 20:35:59)

In my country exist many charlatans but I see in France too.France is beautiful country but "there are lees to every wine".


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-08-03 02:34:42)
Improving netiquette rules

Well, after a few days thinking about a complaint, I finally decided to open a topic about this public remark in game 86290 (no need to name the players again here in the forum, by the way best would probably be that they do not intervene in this discussion) :

"my engine has said ckmate in 19,but black player,maybe,prefers passing by 51 days to lose on time"

Context most probably hasn't to be known, rules have to say if it fits netiquette or not (is it insulting or not, is it subjective or not) and of course this is the question.

In other servers, this may lead to a suspension or it may not IMHO, so I'd like to gather opinions on this case, any suggestion to improve FICGS netiquette rules will be appreciated.

In my opinion, we'll have to determine if any PUBLIC remark on the use of the clock is acceptable or not and if not, what measurement to apply.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 01:07:41)
FICGS admin scam me

Hello again Horatiu,

Sorry to see that you do not accept to realize that FICGS rules have always been clear on that point (it is specified that it is required for you to read and understand it before using this site), also that this site is not a bank, which is true for all similar websites - at least in France but most probably everywhere.

So here is the continuation of our conversation in the chat room (you have to read it from bottom to top). We can continue it here if you wish, this way we'll not bother everyone with this. By the way, maybe other players who experienced the epoints thing will be able to confirm all this.

Do not worry, I will not delete this discussion, at least this will be informative for everyone (I hope).


______________________



petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] of course ,I just open a topic to see everybody who are you
(2013-01-16 01:00:12)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I have no problem with this.
(2013-01-16 00:58:59)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] anyway, we can continue this discussion in the forum...
(2013-01-16 00:58:49)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] insults are unnecessary...
(2013-01-16 00:58:28)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] and fraud
(2013-01-16 00:58:23)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] yes i lost 4 ,is not mistake ?you are a mistake
(2013-01-16 00:53:06)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] ... a bank just by saying it
(2013-01-16 00:51:34)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] because it explains that it's not possible to be...
(2013-01-16 00:51:20)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] no gipsy,but then why you told me about L511 code?
(2013-01-16 00:49:44)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] There's no mistake, obviously...
(2013-01-16 00:49:14)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] Then you won 1 & lost 4 silver games...
(2013-01-16 00:49:09)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I know exactly how many epoints you bought/ when and how...
(2013-01-16 00:47:47)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] What do you expect? finding FICGS rules in french laws?
(2013-01-16 00:44:05)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] you are a charlatan
(2013-01-15 23:46:58)


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 01:34:58)
FICGS admin scam me

petrescu horatiuadrian :
is the reality,are you forgot who talking?
(2013-01-16 01:33:16)

devassal thibault :
Okay, just do it... :)
(2013-01-16 01:32:52)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
defaimation,ahahahah ,are you child? is not defaimation this
(2013-01-16 01:32:31)

devassal thibault :
I will not hesitate to use it if necessary...
(2013-01-16 01:30:56)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
boehme this site is scam as long as not pays its members
(2013-01-16 01:30:15)

devassal thibault :
But we have a law in France on "defamation"...
(2013-01-16 01:29:54)

devassal thibault :
I allow you to say what you want here on this story...
(2013-01-16 01:28:55)

...continuation
petrescu horatiuadrian :
and I will post on others forums on internet ,and on WOT too
(2013-01-16 01:26:40)

boehme sebastian :
You seem to forget what this site contributes to chess!


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 02:14:49)
FICGS admin scam me

Continuation......


devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] ..everyone cannot be a bank
(2013-01-16 02:10:12)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] ... already answered too... because it explains that...
(2013-01-16 02:08:54)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] Please do not delete chat messages everyone.. not now
(2013-01-16 02:08:12)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] You clearly misunderstood me and did not read rules
(2013-01-16 02:07:00)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I answered that already in the forum...
(2013-01-16 02:06:47)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] There's no "if" there anymore... just ask
(2013-01-16 02:05:50)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] why you lied to me in 2010?
(2013-01-16 02:05:18)


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 02:23:00)
FICGS admin scam me

... continuation


devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] ... but according to FICGS rules & FR laws, that is obvious
(2013-01-16 02:16:55)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] Once again... yes, I can convert epoints...
(2013-01-16 02:16:25)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] condition in your answer since 2010
(2013-01-16 02:15:17)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] I didn't understand you???? is not even one word about your
(2013-01-16 02:14:41)


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 02:28:07)
Admin thibault devassal scam me

Ok ,this discussion it seems that never ends because you lie again and again ,if you told me in 2010, you had these conditions I would not be made deposit here. I answered you then and ISN'T EVEN NOT ONE WORD in your phrase about it.You are as I said a liar and a scammer.


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 02:29:53)
FICGS admin scam me

P.S why you remove the comment???


Garvin Gray    (2013-01-16 07:28:11)
FICGS admin scam me

My head hurts. I was hoping that by starting a thread some clarity could be brought to the discussion, but all I really see is just an endless stream of back and forth chat bar claims and counter claims.

Horatiu Adrian Petrescu,

Would be nice in simple to understand, clean and precise language, what you are claiming to have occurred.

Others have experience with the e point system here.

I have asked you to detail your complaint here, hopefully without all the rhetoric. But if you start abusing me if I do not give you the answer you desire, then I will not reply and you get no resolution.


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 11:57:37)
FICGS admin scam me

What you do not understand stupid admin and others stupids which are on his side,that I DO NOT require profit or interest,I am asking ONLY MY MONEY, but less than what I invested, what is so hard to understand ?
This admin invents all sorts of conditions to make HIS OWN bank here.It is obvious.
No other legit site does have a such condition so obvious to robbery his members.
For this reason I was saying I'm going to discuss this issue and on other forums because here are only flatterers of this greedy french admin. Remember : ONLY MY OWN MONEY ,I asked.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 12:29:30)
FICGS admin scam me

Dear Horatiu,

Unfortunately for you, I also kept all emails that you sent to me and that I sent to you... Now here are the facts:

I sent 30 emails (!) to you to kindly answer again and again what is explained in terms & conditions and Help section. I explained to you how to use a captcha, how to use the site and so on..........

First of all, you forget one important thing: It is required that you ACCEPT and UNDERSTAND terms and conditions BEFORE you register.... Obviously you didn't understand it, I cannot do anything there.

Second of all, you are of bad faith and here is a clear proof:

Among the very first emails (before the one you mention), here is the answer I sent to you:

<<<<<<<<<<

December 14, 2009 - Monday, 21:22


Hello,

It is all explained at - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html & http://www.ficgs.com/help.html , when you have Epoints, you can play Silver & Gold games, winning Epoints or money according to the results & tournaments...

Best wishes,
Thibault

<<<<<<<<<<


I guess that you kept this one too but you "forgot" to mention it...

Now, I've said enough. I was patient, but now I'll apply FICGS rules (you should read it carefully) and french laws as soon as you act again against me.


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 13:31:54)
FICGS admin scam me

30 emails to me???? When ? Before or now???
You angry because I telling the truth ? The truth is disturbing, right?
I don't know if your site is legit or not with the condition that everybody can play for money and use soft here and not operate only with his brain ,like Garvin Gray which in several moves he defeated me twice.Greedy admin Thibault you must have an security system for those members who want play without machine ,only with their head.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 13:42:09)
FICGS admin scam me

30 emails from february 2009 until now. I send it to you to your email.

As you can see, I have no reason to be afraid of anything :) You can defend your views, I do not ban you for that. But anyway you are of bad faith, why would you have kept only one email from 2010 and not the others? Anyway, the fact is that I mentioned those terms and conditions while I did not even have to do it because you were registered already.

I'm not angry about anyone, I'm just sorry for you that you do not even know how to use a website (reading & understanding terms is the first thing to do). Then I do not accept insults just like everyone, nothing more.

Finally, this site is perfectly legit and you are free to verify it.


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 13:52:08)
FICGS admin scam me

You are arrogant again ,when you say I don't know how to use a website.I asked you about a button for cashout or not?

And you did't answer me why your site not use a security system implemented .Why you avoid to answer me?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 13:58:15)
FICGS admin scam me

About the button, I have no idea... What's the point here? If there were a button, it would follow the exact terms and conditions. It changes nothing.

What do you mean by "security system"? We use SSL, like many other sites. What's the point here?


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 14:08:00)
FICGS admin scam me

Of course you didn't hear about an security sistem that it can cach the player who use a software program.You are an superficial admin.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 14:11:49)
FICGS admin scam me

continuation of the chat... for archives :)


devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I resend it... with another email...
(2013-01-16 14:04:13)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] term
(2013-01-16 14:03:20)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] yours are included in.... :)
(2013-01-16 14:03:12)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] I told you send that emails which you told me about your
(2013-01-16 14:03:10)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] hey admin are you really stupid??you sent all yours emails??
(2013-01-16 14:02:09)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] but I can publish all emails in the forum if you want
(2013-01-16 13:59:08)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] obviously Yahoo blocks when too many messages
(2013-01-16 13:58:38)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] now I have: Remote host said: 554 Message not allowed
(2013-01-16 13:49:41)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] did you receive the first ones?
(2013-01-16 13:49:28)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] terms I will shut up
(2013-01-16 13:44:44)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] if you realy found some email that you told me about your
(2013-01-16 13:44:23)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] no problem
(2013-01-16 13:41:18)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] yahoo email
(2013-01-16 13:39:38)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] what message you found in your arhive ,send it to me to my
(2013-01-16 13:39:29)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] Please use the forum if you have something to add...
(2013-01-16 13:12:13)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] game ,set and scam devassal
(2013-01-16 13:05:46)

burrows nick :
[Remove this comment] Game, Set & Match Devassal
(2013-01-16 12:57:23)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] before registering, maybe we can now end this discussion
(2013-01-16 12:51:03)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] added to the fact that you had to understand terms & cond
(2013-01-16 12:50:40)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] the clear conclusion is that I did not lie to you...
(2013-01-16 12:50:14)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I found a very interesting email in my archives :)
(2013-01-16 12:30:28)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] You should read the last message in forum, Horatiu...
(2013-01-16 12:30:05)


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 14:18:55)
FICGS admin scam me

petrescu horatiuadrian :
which is specified that you told me about your condition
(2013-01-16 14:16:00)

petrescu horatiuadrian :
that email?:))),no admin boy ,send me an email from 2010
(2013-01-16 14:15:24)

devassal thibault :
I resend it... with another email...


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 14:30:15)
FICGS admin scam me

Your last email is with that message about registrating ,where is the specification about the rule we talking about ?


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 14:51:05)
FICGS admin scam me

Ok ,you told me. But you must implemet an security system for that members who want to play without machine.
And remember ,you this condition is not honest ,because I ASK MY MONEY NOT an interest or profit.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 15:39:18)
FICGS admin scam me

That's nonsense Horatiu, since this site authorize computer chess, it is perfectly honest to play with machines, and of course I don't have to implement anything to avoid that...

About your money, you bought Epoints... You cannot ask for money just like this, you have to win silver/gold games to claim money prizes according to terms & conditions. You accepted this when registering.


Continuation of the chat:


devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] you just had to click the link...
(2013-01-16 14:18:23)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] the conditions are in the link
(2013-01-16 14:18:04)

devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] this is the right email! with correct date
(2013-01-16 14:17:39)


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 16:20:21)
FICGS admin scam me

Of course you will don't implement anything because you are very avaricious.You are miserly for 7 euro :)))))),not to mention an implementation chess security system


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 17:14:06)
FICGS admin scam me

Well, obviously you do not have any idea about what computer chess is... there are thousands of fans all over the world, full forums only about that, even the very best chess players in the world like to play it (Kasparov, Anand, Polgar, Ivanchuk...)

You still do not understand that this has nothing to do with avarice. Noone here wants to see such a system to be implemented.... first of all because it cannot be 100% sure (it would be very easy to cheat anyway), then everyone would suspect everyone to cheat... FICGS is a peaceful place (without counting 2 or 3 players out of hundreds/thousands) so this is fine like it is. For information we also offer NO_ENGINES_TOURNAMENTS for those who want to play with their brain only, but it is not rated... for the same reasons.

We have no problem that a few players cannot understand it at the end, but we do not need to hear again and again that computer chess is "lazy" or "dishonest", that is just untrue and insulting.

About your 7 euros, all has been said, I've nothing to add. This is not a bank, if you want a money prize, you know what to do (starting to read the terms & conditions).


Garvin Gray    (2013-01-16 17:37:51)
FICGS admin scam me

Computer chess, in terms of players just letting their engines play against other engines (playchess for instance) can be lazy, but the centaur version we play on here is anything but lazy.

I would go as far to say that calling centaur/freestyle chess on here LAZY is the most ignorant statement ever made in these forums.

Big call, but I think I can back it up :)


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 17:56:29)
FICGS admin scam me

I was expecting at your shit answer,how else can think a man of greed carried to absurd.You are a man without morals and scruples.I cast pearls before swine.
Anand and Kasparov no play against computer for money stupido.You infantile ?
"None here wants to see such a system to be implemented":))) Hey arrogant boy I am nobody? I am member here since 2009.And how you know everybody else no wants ,you asked them ? Stupid and inflated admin.
And how many times you will repeat like a parrot that this site is not a bank so often I will say myself IS A BANK FOR YOURSELF. Everybody can see.


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 18:07:11)
FICGS admin scam me

Garvin,if you say your mind is not lazy ,and if you say I am ignorant ,i challenge you at a fight without using any machine.What do you say you accept ? There are many websites like playok.com where we can play without using programs not how says jerk admin that "it would be very easy to cheat anyway" How you cheat if is an implemented security system?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 18:10:33)
FICGS admin scam me

Of course I meant players who understood what this site is....

If someone registers while thinking this site is a TV shop website, he may claim that there are no TVs enough to buy on here and say the admin that he should ask all players if they want TVs available to buy but well.... wouldn't it be quite ridiculous?

Players who are not aware that the use of chess engines is encouraged are very rare... The message "As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Rybka, Fritz, Shredder...) is allowed and encouraged in standard chess tournaments." is visible when anyone enters any rated chess tournament.

Is it really necessary to have this message blinking in big size on all pages?


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 18:16:33)
FICGS admin scam me

Hey boy, ENGINES CHESS ARE ALLOWED WHEN YOU LEARN CHESS NOT WHEN YOU PLAY FOR MONEY.
Are you so stupid with your statements and next time I will not answer you because even God cannot fight with stupid and scam men.


Horatiu Adrian Petrescu    (2013-01-16 18:22:38)
FICGS admin scam me

Yes ,2 computers,but you didn't hear about that security system that can track every your move and can detect if you play with soft or not from another computer.That website ,playe4 using this system....stupido


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-01-16 18:28:17)
FICGS admin scam me

Again, you can find it here:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


Dmitriy Malish    (2013-01-16 19:22:36)
Progressive Chess

Progressive chess is a chess variant in which players, rather than just making one move per turn, play progressively longer series of moves. The game starts with White making one move, then Black makes two consecutive moves, White replies with three, Black makes four and so on.
A check must be escaped from on the first move of a series--if this cannot be done, it is checkmate and the game is lost.
En passant captures of pawns are allowed if the pawn in question moved two squares in one move, but no further, at some point during the last turn, but the capture must be made on the first move of a series.
If ten consecutive turns are played with no captures and no pawn moves, then the game is declared a draw unless one of the players can force a checkmate (this is the progressive chess equivalent of the fifty-move rule in orthodox chess).
If at any stage a player has no legal moves but is not in check, the game is a draw by progressive stalemate.


Josef Riha    (2013-01-16 20:00:05)
FICGS admin scam me

Hello Thibault, delete this member from our site. There's no place here for such an Ceausescu-like person. It seems he is living int the past of his country.


George Clement    (2013-01-23 21:08:12)
Show opponents time

Looks good to me Thib


Garvin Gray    (2013-01-24 15:42:35)
Show opponents time

Thank you for this feature. It is certainly beneficial.

No bugs so far.

Also nice that a forum suggestion has been implemented :)


Don Groves    (2013-01-24 23:19:15)
Show opponents time

Garvin: This is far from the first time Thibault has implemented a Forum suggestion!


George Clement    (2013-02-26 22:05:19)
Houdini 3.0

Probably better to wait for Critter 1.8;) Komodo MP is still in a learning curve. LOL


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-03-01 19:13:16)
What size groups do you prefer?

IMO, 9 was a good choice (yours btw?) for the WCH... 7 may be better for regular tournament as it starts faster. The balance seems quite good now.

Just my opinion of course :)

Let's see what others think!?


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-03-01 21:00:14)
What size groups do you prefer?

In general 7 or 9 is fine, I don't mind which.

However, there is a specific issue for SM Rapid. I entered this in September last year and we still only have 4 people on the waiting list. So 9 and possibly even 7 would seemingly be too many for this.

How about a double rounder woth 4 or 5 people for SM Rapid?


George Clement    (2013-03-01 21:08:11)
What size groups do you prefer?

What about starting the tournament when you have 4 0r 5 entries and capping it at 7. As 5,6,7 enter they could start their games. That could help end all this waiting for enough players to enter to start the full tournament.


Garvin Gray    (2013-03-02 10:47:03)
What size groups do you prefer?

Larger groups will always take longer to fill. I would prefer larger groups, but I prefer groups to start regularly, rather than waiting three or so months for a group to start.

I think we do have a serious issue with groups not being able to start because of insufficient numbers.

I proposed the ficgs world cup to complement the ficgs world champs. Rather than attempting to tinker with the group bandings we have at the moment, perhaps it is time to consider that players are more likely to join another 'event' rather than just another group that was just like the previous one they played in.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-03-10 16:34:51)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

Hello all,

It seems that the current vacation system can be used in various ways to recover days at the clock while it is not particularly dedicated to.

We have 45 days of vacation per year, it is now possible to leave 45 times 1 day.

An idea could be to take a minimum of 3 days while there are more than 2 days remaining. Thus one could leave a maximum of 15 times.

Any opinion on this possible change?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-03-10 18:29:58)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

It seems just more realistic this way, why are you against this idea?


Daniel Parmet    (2013-03-11 13:46:38)
What size groups do you prefer?

I don't think the problem here is with group size but rather the silly rating brackets we switched to some time back. It makes it virtually impossible to play strong players.


Garvin Gray    (2013-03-12 16:15:46)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

I think the main question here is: What is vacation meant to be used for?

The original premise for vacation time is that it is in place for people who go away on vacation or are sick and need some time off without having to risk timing out to do so.

This means they can still enter a tournament without having to worry about timing out or being at such a time disadvantage.

This is the purpose of vacation time.

It is not meant to be used to allow players who have chosen through their own choice of time management to avoid timing out games.

Therefore the rules should be changed to match the intention of vacation time.

Hence the proposal of a minimum of 3 days vacation and that it can not be used at all once a player gets under 3 days initial time.

Also, I would probably add that there should be a limit to how many times a player can take vacation blocks, but this might be hard for the server to calculate for each game a player is involved in.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-03-13 13:12:49)
Announcement

Hi all,

The 5th FICGS freestyle tournament will happen on april 6 & 7 (2013) - three rounds each day at 13:00, 15:00, 17:00 server time. The format will be the same (30 minutes + 15 seconds per move) than for the previous edition.

Entry fee : 10 Epoints, prize : 100% Fees + 70 Epoints
Deadline : 2013 april 6 - 12:00 server time

This time, just like other players, IM, SM & GM will have to enter the waiting list by themselves (entry fee : 10 Epoints), but they will recover their Epoints if they play all rounds.

Best regards,
Thibault


Daniel Parmet    (2013-03-13 13:28:44)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

Not true Garvin. It is the same thing. Work will even allow you take half days off - no questions asked. Maybe we should move to 12 hour increments?


George Clement    (2013-03-14 19:21:35)
Accept a draw

Press Send after you click to accept it!


Rolf Staggat    (2013-03-17 15:09:17)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

45 days are 45 days are 45 days are 45 days.
Why make another rule how to use them ?
Shorten or cancel the vacation, but do not make anything more difficult.
When I am one day absent, then I am ONE day absent. So it works on ICCF and everywhere.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-03-17 17:11:41)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

I agree with Rolf.
I think the problem Garvin is you have to first ask if someone seems it as a problem that vacation could be used to stop from flagging. In my mind, that is a resounding no without any sort of question. Why would it be a problem is someone chose to use vacation that way?
I can't think of a single reason.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-03-19 11:25:56)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

I just received a long and detailed private message from a very strong chess player who explained how vacation have influenced some of his games and I must say it was quite a strong demonstration of the issue.

Obviously it is a problem for certain players.

I'm not really favorable to a change here as it will complicate rules and the use of the site but here are the facts:

- Vacation are just rules... vacation may mean anything. So it is ok right now.

- Is it normal to save games thanks to vacation by gaining day after day ? It is just a question of point of view but IMO the answer is no. At least it cannot be done for each game separately, which is a great thing.

So we have a contradiction here.


Finally my proposal is a change for 2 days minimum that I would install in 2 months from now.

I think it would be a fair compromise... It should reduce the effects on the games in the future and it is quite short yet.

Any opinion on this change for 2 days minimum? Acceptable or not?


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2013-03-19 17:51:20)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

I can not imagine how a player can gain an advantage from the vacation time. Ok, he can analyze his games during that time, but his opponent has the same option. So the additional time cannot be the key to a win.

In my opinion the problem for some players is that it is annoying when they have to wait longer for an answer. I don't think that this should be a reason to change the vacation rules.

If the rules are changed however, this should not happen until the beginning of next year with the new vacation period.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-03-20 00:32:02)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

My opponent just went on leave with 11 minutes left on ICCF. I don't see a problem with it. Can someone please explain to me the problem here?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-03-20 13:41:09)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

Well, at the end the only problem may be that vacation should be specified in time controls... eg. 30 days + 1 day/move + 45 days leave per year.

Right now, vacation is actually a part of the time control.

Still thinking about all this.


Kieran Moore    (2013-03-23 13:17:09)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

On another site vacation is divided into two blocks of 20 days.So in most games a player would only have 20 days leave. Its annoying if players use their vacation time to prevent Flag fall as Chess is about tactics and time management. Bad positions tend to cost time, so players shouldn't recover from bad positions by running their vacation days.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-03-26 00:00:47)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

I was just translating Kieran Moore's complaint into the actual problem with vacation. People are complaining that vacation is preventing them for winning on time in a drawn position.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-03-29 23:58:55)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

It was not you Garvin it was Kieran.
Anyways, I have yet to hear the problem with vacation.


Neel Basant    (2013-04-02 06:13:11)
!!! The Next world chess Champion !!!

Hi all

Who will be the next World champion ?
How much psychological warfare will be drawn ?
Older ( in chess term) generation or Younger generation?
And most of all What will prevail ?
Options are two.
Chose one of them and explain.
1. Psychological warfare and emotions
2.Accurate evaluation .


Dann Corbit    (2013-04-05 04:16:58)
Thematic tournaments?

Do you hold thematic tournaments here?

I am interested, specifically, in the Orangutan:
1.b4


Garvin Gray    (2013-04-06 05:58:17)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005

For everyone, so they can work out what time 1pm server time is for them:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130406T13&p1=195


Jaimie Wilson    (2013-04-06 17:04:44)
Thematic tournaments?

Hi Dann,

Yes, under waiting lists - special tournaments. It seems the last Sokolsky tourney was back in 2010. I'm sure there will be another one day - 'good things come to those who wait' could be the motto of this site.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-04-06 21:50:39)
Thematic tournaments?

Hello Dann, thanks for the suggestion... we can play another one soon, sure. Just check the home page from time to time!


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-04-07 22:48:43)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005

The tournament is over... Alvin convincingly won it, once again.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005


Several things to say... first of all, I'd like to apologize again for this catastrophic first round, I just made a bunch of mistakes after a bad click :/

Second of all, I would like to thank all players, sincerely, for your patience & good vibes in this tournament! It is always nice to play & organize in this mood :) Special "big up" to Wayne & Garvin for their efforts to play very early or very late...

Finally, I'd like to thank Garvin for his constant involvement in FICGS tournaments... His help is always appreciated!

See you for the next edition (before next year, I hope)...


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-04-10 09:06:37)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005

Congrats to Alvin. I dropped in a few times to watch a few minutes of the games and you always seemed to have stuff under control :) Impressive against tough opposition.


Alvin Alcala    (2013-04-10 17:13:00)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005

Thanks for the compliment. I always put pressure and seems works well :). You should join next time, it's quite fun!


Wilhelm Schuett    (2013-04-11 01:04:47)
Thematic tournaments?

Marshall Attack


Garvin Gray    (2013-04-12 19:42:11)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005

What I would like to see is that these are regularly held, perhaps one each quarter.

That way there is better promotion, more play and less issues, both in the running of the event and players knowledge of how this event works.

On the structure of the event, I would like to see a 20 second increment, instead of 15.

I found the 15 second increment quite often was just enough time to:

See position
Input into engine
See evals
Input move into game position
Make move on here.

An extra 5 seconds would make a lot of difference.


Garvin Gray    (2013-04-16 17:55:17)
How to change password?

Can not seem to find this information, how do I change my password to something that I can actually remember?


Attila Ba    (2013-04-20 17:40:43)
Poker rating anomaly

I have won a tournament game in poker against a player cca. a hundred points higher rated than me. His rating has dropped a few points but my rating remained unchanged. How is this possible?


Charlie Neil    (2013-04-21 19:54:30)
Thematic tournaments?

Yes, Gambits please. Benko, Budapest, Latvian and (my favourite) Evans as a suggestion for future unrated tournaments.


Scott Nichols    (2013-04-23 00:39:31)
!!! The Next world chess Champion !!!

Carlsen is in a class by himself, much the same as Fischer was in the late 60's and early 70's. Anand had a tremendous talent, but the years do take there toll. I predict not only a win by Carlsen, but a shattering of Anand's ego and will leave no doubt in the world of chess, finally the questions will be answered.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2013-04-23 17:31:15)
Thematic tournaments?

It doesn't have to be Gambits all the time.
For example less played like in the third move of Ruy Lopez, Old Benoni, Modern Defence, 1.d4 e6 2.c4 with 2. ... Lb4+ or 2. ... b6, 1. ... Sc6, Old Indian, Morra Gambit , Ponziani.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-04-27 01:54:31)
Thematic tournaments?

We've had just about every single suggestion so far at some point in time (not that a rehash isn't a welcome thing).


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-05-07 13:17:57)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

As you may know, Eros Riccio won the 8th FICGS chess championship by beating Jeroen Van Assche (who remains undeafeated though, he did not lose a single chess game at FICGS yet) in the candidates final, preventing him to play Eros again in the final.

Eros kindly accepted to answer a few questions:


- Hello Eros. First of all, congratulations for winning this 8th FICGS correspondence chess championship. Once again, you did not even have to play the 12 games match to defend your title as you won the qualifying tournament. In these conditions, the challenge was really tough for Jeroen Van Assche, in despite of his prodigious chess. He had to beat you consecutively in the candidates final (8 games match), then in the final (12 games match). How did things go in this candidates final?

Eros: Hi Thibault, thanks again! I was also worried to have to play a very strong player like Van Assche, but fortunately I had again the advantage that all draws were enough to win, and so my strategy was again not to take risks in all my games. As White it was easy... and surprisingly also as Black. The only game where I had to be more careful than others was this one: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qf3 h6 8.Be3 Qc7 9.0-0-0 Nbd7 10.Qg3 b5 11.a3 Rb8. Here Jeroen surprised me with an interesting novelty, 12.Kb1. The two times I had played this position I was White against Gueci and Kruse, and in both games I continued with 12.Bxb5 but couldn't get more than a draw. The idea of 12.Kb1 is to sacrifice a Pawn for the initiative after 12...b4 13.axb4 Rxb4 14.Nb3 Nxe4. The White Bishops are very strong after 15.Nxe4 Rxe4 16.Bd3 Ra4 17.Bd4 and fully compensate the Pawn less. Anyway I managed to defend, and when I was finally able to trade the Queens we agreed for the Draw.

- You also won the ICCF Umansky Memorial a few weeks ago, the italian correspondence chess championship (again) as well, obviously you played numerous games last year, what do you plan for the next months? By the way, Jeroen already qualified for the candidates final of the 9th cycle, meaning that he may play you in the final match next year if you defend your title again, is there a chance that we can see a revenge?

Eros: Yes, like in the past, also last year I have played a lot of games... anyway for the future I am planning to reduce my games a lot. At the moment, except a few games in minor tournaments, I am only playing for the italian colors at the Olympiads and European Championship, for ICCF. I didn't register for the new Italian Championship this time... I prefer to wait that another individual top ICCF Tournament starts. And of course I am also waiting to meet my next challenger for the FICGS Final! Maybe it will be Van Assche again, we have to see if he beats his opponent in the semifinal (actually next candidates final).

- It looks like a few chess engines reached a certain maturity, I mean algorithms. As a consequence, the computer speed may become the major evolution factor during the next years, that is generally slower than the program's improvements (but the future may have surprises, of course). What do you expect from the computer chess world in the next few years and its impact on correspondence chess?

Eros: As I have already said in a previous interview, being chess probably a draw with perfect play, the more engines get stronger, the more draws we will see. That's quite obvious.

- You probably do not play chess over the board so often, yet you have a quite good ELO! (about 2200, while many correspondence chess masters are rated below 2000 or not rated at all) By the way, I can certify that you are a strong blitz player after we met a few years ago. Do you still play tournaments?

Eros: I am not playing otb chess for a few years, my peak was 22... and a few points, I don't remember exactly. One of the main reasons why I stopped is because later, when analyzing my games with an engine... every time I got frustrated a lot seeing all the blunders I was making.

- Do you estimate that playing OTB chess is good to improve at correspondence chess?

Eros: Yes, it's useful especially if you develop a strategical style, then also in your corr. games you can see more easily "long-term-strategy" plans, which is still the "weakest strenght" in all engines.

- Do you feel that you're still improving at correspondence chess? If yes, is it mainly a question of opening book or something else?

Eros: Improving at corr. chess... hmm... I will surprise you with my thought about this matter! I think I can evaluate my strenght according to the speed of the computer I am analyzing my games with. When I bought this computer, 3 years ago, I felt like I could beat the corr. World Champion. Now... as my computer is becoming older and older, I feel like my play is getting weaker each day it passes. So my answer is that I am still getting worse at corr. chess, not improving.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2013-05-09 13:37:52)
Thematic tournaments?

(1) French: (a) Winawer, (b) McCutcheon;
(2) Sicilian: (a) Kalashnikov, (b) O'Kelly;
(3) Slav: (a) Chebanenko, (b) Morozevich;


Wilhelm Schuett    (2013-05-10 00:20:52)
Thematic tournaments?

Sicilian 2.Nf3 Nf6
Sicilian Labourdonnais


Garvin Gray    (2013-05-10 04:42:58)
Thematic tournaments?

I think one idea that could be worth exploring with these thematics is to set up some kind of opening position that is topical, or could help to explore a bit more.

I think just saying lets have a french, or sicilian does not mean much as players get them in their normal games.

These thematics should have some goal more than just more games, like contributing to expanding opening theory.

Some kind of endgame thematic could be worth exploring as well.

This being said, I do fear that we could have too many options, so playing resources are spread too thin and very few can get regular corro games.


Attila Ba    (2013-05-10 14:50:30)
Thematic tournaments?

Good point. Thematic tournaments would help to find out whether some radical ideas like Brooklyn defense ( 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 ) can be defended against engine play.


Eros Riccio    (2013-05-10 16:09:30)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

you know, Thib, I have always wondered why corr. chess is so easy for me. As I said, human chess is a completely different story, I feel like a beginner there, blundering at almost every move. But at corr. chess, with the help of the computer, things become extremely easy. I don't know why not everyone using a computter too is not nearly unbeatable as I am. maybe they use weak engines? Slow processors? Maybe they let their engine analyze the position only for a few minutes? I came to the conclusion that it must be something like that, otherwise everyone would play at GM Level by just analyzing for a decent amount of time with houdini on a fast processor. My conclusion is that I have more success than most other players because they don't take corr. chess too seriously, they probably have some better interests and only take corr. chess as a fun hobby.


Garvin Gray    (2013-05-12 01:25:35)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

I was referring to a time control like 30 days initial plus 1 hour per move increment


Attila Ba    (2013-05-15 14:46:09)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time

Artur Wachelka, the creator of MyChess is a very talented programmer. This was the site where I first started to play online chess. He uses this notation in a universal manner: every PGN has a curly bracket comment at the end of it, including ongoing games:

34.Qb2 Nb3 35.f4 Qe7 36.e5 {in progress} *

and draws:

17.Ne2 Re8 18.Qd4 {draw accepted} 1/2-1/2

therefore they speek for themselves.


Eros Riccio    (2013-05-15 15:29:16)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

Hi Daniel,
in the past I have been playing something like 100 games at the same time. That was my maximum, and I really felt some pressure with that quantity of games, and I also felt that my overall play was reduced quite a lot. Anyway that happened when I still had a low ICCF rating, so playing many games back then was a good idea in order to raise my elo quickly. Playing so many games now that I am over 2600 wouldn't be such a good idea anymore, as with almost every draw I would lose points (not to count the losses!) because I would likely have a higher rating than most of my opponents.
Everyone has his own limit of games, but a thing seems logical for everyone: the more you play the more your quality of play is reduced. I think I can handle up to 50 games at the same time without a big loss of quality of play, and without feeling much pressure. Above that number, things would become difficult for me. Anyway it's very possible that, as at the moment I am only playing 16 games, (all for iccf) even playing (only) 30 games would give me some pressure. I am getting old :-)


Alvin Alcala    (2013-05-15 17:26:47)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

You lose some games, how did you feel about it? Can you give us some samples games that you lost and you did your very best. Seems your invincible!


Attila Ba    (2013-05-15 17:41:52)
Deep analysis - can it be improved?

The idea behind deep analysis is to store engine evaluations of chess positions in a permanent way and build an analysis tree out of them. Deep analysis is an improvement over simple engine analysis in two ways:

1) Permanent storage of analysis results makes them reusable. You don't have to analyse the same position from scratch over and over again (which is a waste of valuable CPU resources) rather you can build and improve upon your earlier results.

2) The search is configurable. You have control over which positions are examined and in what way. This gives you freedom to tailor the analyis to your own needs not having to rely on the defaults provided by your engine.

This idea is presented in a revolutionary way in the Deep Rybka Aquarium GUI. However using this framework I have encountered some problems. The lesser one and non lethal one is that draws by repetition are not handled correctly. This is for a reason: moves in the transposition table should be valued in an absolute way (regardless of the line which lead to them) in order to preserve the integrity of the tree. Since Aquarium has no means to incorporate lines, it simply ignores them

My other problem is that though the search is configurable I'm not absolutely certain about what is going on. It is not entirely clear to me exactly which nodes are selected for analysis.

These problems made me to try to come up with a deep analyis program of my own. After several failed attempts finally I have on my hand a solution which is not only capable of performing deep analysis but overcomes some of the difficulties of Interactive Deep Analyis (IDeA) provided by the Aquarium framework.

First I introduced a mechanism that can handle repetitions. In order to achieve this I attribute not one but two scores to each move and re-define the concept of root position already present in IdeA. The first score which I call 'idea' score is the same as presented in IdeA. The second is what I call 'alpha' score is calculated by minimaxing the tree from the root position taking into account repetitions.

Consider the following game:

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ng1 Nf8

The value of move 2. ... Nf8 at depth 18 by Houdini 3.0 is -19 centipawns. So the idea score of this move at depth 0 should be -19. Yet 2. ... Nf8 repeats the starting position. Therefore its alpha score with respect to a root equaling the starting position should be 0 centipawn which is exactly what my program calculates for it. ( For the sake of simplicity I don't require threefold repetition, since you would never allow your opponent to repeat a position if you have better ideas. )

So when my programs lists the tree it will present both scores for every move (which in most of the cases are equal of course - therefore this is mostly an aesthetic improvement rather than being a substantial one).

The improvement which I'm most interested in is that having full control of node selection now I have freedom to shape the tree search.

In order to keeps things simple I have only three parameters characterising the search:

1) engine depth
2) move distance (centipawns)
3) search depth

Engine depth means a fixed depth at which each move is analyzed. After long experimenting I have arrived at depth 18 as a good default for Houdini 3.0.

Move distance is a tolerance up to which moves are allowed into the analyis. For each position first the best move is determined. The search for alternative moves is continued until a move is found that has a valuation less than the valuation of the best move by 'move distance' centipawns (it is this 'distance' away from being the best move). The tree is then expanded for moves within 'move distance'.

To compensate for exponential growth of analyzed nodes I use a simple technique: at each ply after ply 1 the move distance is halved. So if the move distance at ply 0 and ply 1 is 20 centipawns, it will be 10 centipawns for ply 2, 5 centipawns for ply 3 and so on. This means that at greater depth less and less moves are allowed per position. So the analysis with greater depth slowly evolves into 'autoplay' rather than 'tree search'.

The other method to reduce exponential growth is the well known beta cut provided by alphabeta search. In order that all candidate moves in the root position and all candidate responses to them get proper values, I only allow beta cuts with ply 2 and deeper.

Once an alphabeta search of certain depth is carried out, the whole tree is mimimaxed out for the root. Now the initial evaluations of the root moves may change. This may make moves which initially fall out of the 'move distance' to become viable. So the search has to be repeated for those moves as well. This has to be done at every ply level.

My iterative search at a certain depth only ends when no new nodes are added by the alphabeta search (the tree is 'settled' for this depth). Only then the program is allowed to deepen the search (this I call 'refined' search).

With engine depth of 18 and move distance of 10 centipawns an average position can be analyzed to depth 10 within a matter of hours. This means a couple of hundred (possibly a couple of thousand) positions are analyzed to depth 18. Depth 10 deep analyis means an ultimate depth of 28 if you take into account that the engine depth is 18.

Whether this method has added ELO value over simple engine search is yet to be tested.


Eros Riccio    (2013-05-15 18:09:28)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

I started playing corr. chess in 2000 and I (should, but maybe I lost a few games) have played 780 games. Most of them were draws (447). I lost 10 games as White and 13 as Black. My latest defeat as White was in 2005 against Gino Figlio, many of you know him as he plays here too, while as Black my latest defeat was in 2009 on this server against Alberto Gueci.
How I felt when I lost? I forgot! That happened too long ago ;-P


Eros Riccio    (2013-05-15 18:55:23)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH

I have problems in evaluating chess games, how can you say if a game is good or not? To my taste, "unusual" games are the best ones. The one I am publishing is one of the first games I played, back in 2001. After a "unusual" Hyppo-Defence, it was amazing how the Black pieces coordinated for an incredible kingside attack. This is probably my favorite game:

[Event "18 C.I.M."]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.02.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Calzolari, Mario (PG)"]
[Black "Riccio"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B06"]
[WhiteElo "2107"]
[BlackElo "2025"]
[PlyCount "76"]
[EventDate "2002.11.26"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. Nf3 a6 5. a4 b6 6. Bc4 e6 7. O-O Ne7 8. Re1 O-O
9. Bf4 h6 10. Qd2 Kh7 11. Rad1 Bb7 12. h3 Nd7 13. Re2 Nf6 14. Rde1 g5 15. Bh2
Ng6 16. d5 e5 17. b4 Qd7 18. b5 a5 19. Bb3 Rg8 20. Kh1 Nf4 21. Bxf4 gxf4 22.
Qd3 Nh5 23. Rg1 Bf6 24. Ree1 Rg6 25. Nb1 Rag8 26. c4 Bc8 27. Nbd2 Qd8 28. c5
Bh4 29. Ref1 bxc5 30. Qc3 Ng3+ 31. fxg3 Rxg3 32. Qc2 Bxh3 33. Rf2 Bg4 34. Rb1
Bxf3 35. Nxf3 Rxf3 36. Rxf3 Bg3 37. Kg1 Qh4 38. Qd1 Qh2+ 0-1


Mladen Jankovic    (2013-05-16 08:33:48)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time

There is no such notation in the standard. The standard specifies that a checkmate move should end with '#', instead of '+', as is standard here for other reasons. So if someone wins without checkmating it would be easy to understand what hapened.

You have another problem, any draw would, due to the mechanics of the site, be a draw accepted, as the server does not track 3-fold repetition and such (I might be mistaken).

You have another problem, as the moves are contained in a single line, while the standard specifies 255 character maximum (including newline), and recommends 80 character maximum, for compatibility with older software.

While I have not encountered any problems with that, and nobody so far complained, it still is a break from the standard.

The best place to look for how PGN should work is the standard itself: http://www6.chessclub.com/help/PGN-spec


Garvin Gray    (2013-05-25 18:44:45)
Playing activity top 20 players

I just had a look at how active the top 20 players on this site are, and apart from one or two players, almost all have either zero or one game active at the moment.

What can be done to make them more active, which gives more opportunities to players lower down the rating list?

Also, with so many not being active, makes it much harder to fill the top divisions.


Don Groves    (2013-06-03 12:48:23)
Playing activity top 20 players

I agree with Neel. The lower rated player has done a better job to tie the higher rated player and deserves to advance. The current FICGS rules always seem to reward the higher rated players.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-06-03 17:04:04)
Playing activity top 20 players

@ Alvin: No (cf. all discussions on this topic)

@ Neel: Yes for the rating update. About TER / next stage, this point is coherent with the whole scheme that is "the one who has most chances advances..."


Garvin Gray    (2013-06-04 14:56:48)
Wch cycles possible changes?

With some discussion once occurring about the format of the Ficgs wch, time for a new thread with a different slant.

Some posters have given their opinions on pros/cons of the wch cycle and changes they would like to see happen.

Most though are not incorporated because Thibault is against them, or thinks they will not work.

So time for a new question so it might be possible to get some changes or refinements.

Thibault, on what items in regards to the wch would you be willing to see some changes, or at least incorporate well thought out proposals from the members?

This could at least lead the discussion on where to head for a discussion on these matters.

Because quite frankly if Thibault does not agree with your proposal, it will not happen.

If someone wants to know my opinion on this whole matter. Feel free to ask and I will post in a later post, or possibly a whole new thread as I do have quite a bit to say. Be warned, some may not like it ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-06-05 00:06:55)
Wch cycles possible changes?

Hi Garvin!

Some changes have been made for the chess WCH, about 1 year and a half ago, complicating the rules but not so bad IMO.

I'm not against changes but I'm definitely for coherence... as you know, I think that there is no point changing FICGS WCH going to another round-robin one, just an example. It would kill the original scheme & previous championships value just like FIDE killed its own scheme. I gave my opinion on this when launching the very first championship. Also, I'm quite convinced that constant changes always become bad and hide another problem.

I'm still favourable to create the FICGS CUP with another scheme though! But conditions are not fulfilled... we have no new players enough, numbers are very bad these times. FICGS major problem is here... solving it and most changes proposals become useless.

Anyway, do not think that I will have the last word here for ever, that won't be the case... I only hope that the best decisions will be made for the site.


Robert Knighton    (2013-06-05 20:16:22)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

If you

1. Prevent people from logging in and viewing their games while on vacation then they cant use vacation time to analyze changes in their games. This may not stop vacation abuse but it would make it less convenient.

2. Garvin Gray said "Instead of changing the minimum days for vacation ... how about there is a maximum cap for the number of times a person can take vacation"

I like this suggestion better than all others i read here.

So limit vacation to 45 days to be split as chosen by users into a maximum of maybe 20 blocks? So you could take 1 day or 5 but you cant take 1 day at a time 45 times. I suspect that 99.99% of legitimate vacation needs would not be negatively impacted by this sort of system.

I know this is a couple months old now.. just catching up. :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-06-06 10:21:21)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

Hello Robert,

The 20 blocks proposal is very near the 2 days minimum one (I was quite favourable to this change), the real problem is that it complicates the rules and obviously many players were against it.

But late is always better than nothing :)


Michael Aigner    (2013-06-06 11:45:47)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

Hello everybody,
I read the whole thread and in my opinion it is not clear what we are discussing about. The trigger for the discussion was some kind of abuse of the existing rules but I, and I guess some others too, got no idea what the problem is.

Could someone please describe how the existing rules can be used in an unfair way. Before that happened we will run in circels.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-06-08 17:41:10)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

That is if one believes that is an abuse of vacation... I do not. Both players started with the same amount of vacation time and employed it for uses and different times. I think that is the whole idea behind vacation. For some people, vacation is finding a beach to lay on. For others, vacation would be freeing their normal hectic 16 hour that involves 1 hour of corr analysis and turning that day into a 17 hour corr analysis pound house.


Robert Knighton    (2013-06-08 22:37:01)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

@Daniel: The problem with your way of thinking is that it encourages me to play as few games on this site as possible so I can always be able to use my vacation time in that way.

Also if I have real vacation coming up in a few months I wont start new games because I dont have vacation time now to cover it.

end result being less games played on the site because vacation time is easy to abuse?

Even without hard rules being put in place, my opinion would be that using vacation time to get an edge in your games is poor conduct but I don't see how there is any way to completely stop the behavior. Limiting the convenience of it is about the best that could be done.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-06-08 23:26:11)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

Unfortunately there isn't a problem with my way of thinking. It is simply whether or not you consider your point of view to be an abuse of vacation and the simple fact is I do not agree with you in the slightest. So what we have here is a difference of opinion. I believe you are creating a problem where there is none.


Robert Knighton    (2013-06-08 23:57:02)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

I'm not creating a problem. I'm agreeing with a point of view already expressed by others on this forum and trying to clarify that point of view as I understand it.

Also, unless we are discussing the rules of mathematics for example, then pretty much all rules that exist are someone's opinion of how things should be right?

So what I understand you to be saying is that you want to be able to use vacation time to buy more time for your games and you believe this is acceptable behavior even if it gives you an advantage over other players who use their vacation time to go on vacation. It isn't called "performance boost time" or "buy a way out of a difficult position time"; it's called vacation time.

I think the topic here was started because there are a lot of people who disagree with you and believe vacation time is not intended to be used to buy an advantage against your more challenging opponents.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-06-09 01:53:58)
Playing activity top 20 players

Please Thib, I do not point out these problems to complain or make you feel bad. I just want you to know where you can improve. I also want you to know you've done an amazing job here and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. If you need volunteer time/help, I will be one of the first to come forward to aid you. None of these comments are made as an attack on you, I want you to know I appreciate what you have done.

Regarding rapid/classical time controls, I did not care which I played. The fact that I ended up playing more rapid than classical has to do with the fact I always chose the HARDER option available to me in terms of opponent strength. Since you alternate the rating bands via rapid vs classical - that usually meant only one time control was available to me.


Daniel Parmet    (2013-06-10 06:20:38)
Playing activity top 20 players

Well part of the problem is I don't see where it says I have these "tickets" to move up. I knew of the rule but had no awareness if I had ever actually won one to use.

The other part of the problem is the rating bands. By alternating rating bands between time controls, all the people over 2100 want to play 2100-2300 all the people over 2000 want to play 2000-2200 all the people over 2200 want to play only 2200-2400 or norm events. So effectively instead of 200 point bands you've create ONE HUNDRED point bands. The 2100-2300 band see only those rated 2100-2200.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-06-10 22:25:14)
Playing activity top 20 players

If I remember well, that was a request to help players to reach the next rating band (200 points is a lot when most players who enter waiting lists are near the low limit).

Anyway, now I cannot find any argument to have the same rating ranges for rapid and standard tournaments (maybe "coherence" only).


Michael Aigner    (2013-06-11 13:25:26)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

In my opinion there is no need to change the rules. As far as I understood some people see the normal use of vacation which is defined by the rules as abuse which in itself is a contradiction. Anybody (could) know the rules before starting a game.

I understand that it is kind of a little disadvantage when some people have to use their vacation for vacation or for emergencies while others use it for analyzing their games but that’s life.´
There are many other factors one could consider as unfair e.g. faster hardware, no family to care of, retiree, students versus people who have to work the whole day which have much more influence then this "abuse" of vacation time.

By the way, I think it is very hard to play “good” correspondence chess (in a complex position) by using just one day per move, so I am not unhappy if my opponent have to take one day of vacation to have the time to decide for a move to make.


Philip Roe    (2013-06-11 14:08:13)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?

There are players, who I could name, who always run their clocks very low and use vacation a day or two at a time to avoid loss. I have absolutely no idea why they do that. They gain no advantage, and in fact frequently lose on time. In consequence they are greatly underrated. Paired against one of them, you may in fact lose (against a low-rated player) or gain an unsatisfying forfeit. This behavior is legitimate under the current rules but extremely irritating.

It is true that all rules can be abused, but it is not unreasonable to set up rules so that abuse is less likely.


Scott Nichols    (2013-06-18 20:44:03)
Playing activity top 20 players

I have a couple of thoughts. First is ICCF is not better for me than anywhere. The games just take too long. More to Daniels taste for sure. To help this site out, I will say it again, there needs to be at least one fast playing category. Like 10 days, with 1 day increment. This time control is very popular at other sites. Blitz CC is the wave of the future, even in OTB they don't play that slow chess anymore. Another idea is large cash prizes, :), to draw in the big guns. People are willing to pay more to get more. A couple of small things you could do Thib is offer a 2 e-point prize for most active player in a rating cycle and one for the player who improved the most in that same cycle for all 3 categories, chess, go and poker. Just some ideas...


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-06-21 19:48:27)
Playing activity top 20 players

@ Alvin: you mean Iccf events?! what are Fide rapid events if not games played in less than 1 day?

@ Robert: for 1v1 we have rapid silver tournaments, but there is a stake of 10 epoints (or it would be unrated for obvious reasons).

@ Scott: 10 days + 1 day/move does not seem very different from 30 days + 1 day/move, I doubt it can bring more players. Standard time control remain even more popular here. On large cash prizes, I agree for sure :) ...


Garvin Gray    (2013-06-23 03:33:23)
Anyone play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black

I have had quite a few Semi Slav Botvinnik's on here. I play the SSB as black, but then when I am white I can not find anyone who plays it as black.

So I am wondering, are most cc'ers considering the SSB unsound for black?

I have a few ideas I would like to try as white, but never get the chance.

Maybe this could be a thematic, but would need to start after 10. Bxg5


Alvin Alcala    (2013-06-23 19:05:44)
Anyone play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black

What about in freestyle mode?


Robert Knighton    (2013-06-24 14:53:02)
Anyone play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black

it's too bad there is no way to play 1v1 unrated games at CC time controls on this site. I would gladly play a couple games like this on the side if there were.


Robert Knighton    (2013-06-24 14:59:21)
Playing activity top 20 players

20 days removed is a lot of time.

A tournament class which disallows vacation time would in itself be interesting.

combining the two would make for a very different tournament class.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2013-06-25 12:15:31)
Anyone play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black

http://chessage.com could be a possibility


Robert Knighton    (2013-07-03 19:02:38)
Wch cycles possible changes?

TER is the only fair way to decide other than tie breaker matches (time consuming) or pushing forward to the next round every player with the same score.

I can see where TER could be frustrating though.

If PlayerA TER 2049 and PlayerB TER 2050 both score 5.5/6 in round 1 then this does seem fairly unjust for player A because playerB only had to fight for a draw to win the round where PlayerA must get a win.

this gives PlayerB a strong advantage over a measly 1 elo.

1 elo also says nothing meaningful about which of the two players has a better chance in the tournament.

Factors such as number of games played or percentage of loss on time would be far better indicators than a single ELO point.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-07-15 14:16:39)
Interview with new FICGS Go champion

Yen-Wei Huang, winner of the 8th FICGS Go championship, kindly accepted to answer a few questions for this very interesting interview!

_______________________


- Hello Yen-Wei and congratulations for winning the FICGS Go championship! Xiao Tong was obviously a tough opponent, yet you won 5-0, what happened during this match?

Hi Thib. Thanks again for your kind invitation. Xiao is definitely one of the strongest Go players on FICGS, and I was really, really lucky to have won all five games. In fact, I was behind in three of them until Xiao made some mistakes late in the games: in game 69092, I forced a tough ko fight which jeopardized my lower group. Xiao made a mistake at P2 as he missed my T3 could force another ko. Game 69093 was very close towards the end but I think the move at C13 caused him the game. Game 69096 was even closer that I won by half a point thanks to the big 7.5 komi. The other two games were not easy either and I am glad I could have hung on to the lead. Overall I really enjoyed our match and I would love to have a rematch with Xiao in the future.

- You're from Taiwan, could you tell us a bit more about you? At what age did you learn Go? Do you have any other ranks (e.g. at other sites)?

I learned Go when I was 5 and I have always enjoyed playing all my life. I used to play on servers like KGS and Tygem and I was around 6-7 dan on these sites. Recently I don't have that much time to play so that's why turned to turn-based server like FICGS.

- What do you think about the world of Go these days? Who is the very best player in the world according to you?

I think the past two years were the "warring period" in the world of Go. I would say Lee Sedol was the best player two years ago, but he seems to have lost his dominant position recently. There are many rising stars that are winning the world champions. I am especially keeping an eye on Yuta Iyama, who I think is No. 1 in Japan and has started to threaten the dominance of Chinese and Korean players.

- What about computer Go and its future? How many years do you give to the human before losing to the machine?

As a software engineer I foresee the computer Go beats the world's No. 1 player in two decades. Crazy Stone already beat Yoshio Ishida with four handicap stones earlier this year, and I believe it wouldn't take long for computers to beat pros in two handicap stones. The real challenge will come when computers need to go from handicap games to even games since they need to advance from defensive mode to attack mode. I am really excited to see how Artificial Intelligence can surprise us with its "creative" moves when the time comes.

- Do you use engines or databases? What advice would you give to beginners (and to your future challengers :))?

I know there are many useful Go engines and databases that are being developed these days, unfortunately I don't really know much about them. I do use http://ps.waltheri.net/ if I need to look something up, and I go to http://tom.com for commented games (they're in Chinese, nonetheless). Advice to beginners: just go to any search engine and you can easily find all the free resources you want. Advice to my future challengers: just try the new variations since I know none of them :)

- What new features would you like to see at FICGS?

Firstly I'd like to thank Thib for maintaining such a wonderful site. I enjoy playing Go and Poker here and maybe I'll start playing Chess sometime (I really suck so I'm not ready to embarrass myself yet). The ability to play different games is what makes FICGS unique. As Thib mentioned earlier, we need much more players, and I think FICGS simply needs to host much more tournaments, probably some with shorter time settings. With more games and more player engagement, more people will stick around. Another feature I'd really like to see is FICGS client for cellphones/tablets. The main advantage of turn-based servers is that it allows people to play wherever for whatever period of time: a 1-min ride in the elevator, a 10-min wait at the bus stop, or a couple of hours at home. If playing on FICGS is made easier, I know I will be more addicted to it :)

- Thank you very much and good luck in the next final match...

Thanks! And please go easy on our Poker match...


Jose Carrizo    (2013-07-19 23:13:11)
Anyone play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black

Hi Garvin, I play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black. A thematic tournament is a nice idea.


Miguel Ortiz    (2013-07-25 02:09:59)
FICS is down

"Since 18 July 2013 the server has been unavailable, due to the compromise of an administrator account. Although a temporary server, fics2.freechess.org, is available, normal service is not expected to be restored before 26 July at the earliest.".. (Wykypedia, 7-24-2013)


Robert Knighton    (2013-07-25 15:54:51)
Looking for big chess partners

the problem with chess variants is that there are so many of them and most of them have small fan bases.

I have always liked Grand Chess myself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_chess

Big chess is just too big for me lol


Ilmars Cirulis    (2013-07-29 10:17:42)
Thematic tournaments?

"... Latvian and (my favourite) Evans as a suggestion for future unrated tournaments." (Charlie Neil)

If you want to experimentally verify that Latvian gambit is unsound then why not? :P

Also I like suggestion of Evans gambit. (giggle)


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-07-30 23:31:51)
Next WCH Stage start

Hi all, unfortunately there was no spots available for all players in the replacements list (who registered after july 1st)... Joerg now plays but Scott doesn't. Moreover, no new groups can be built this time. The good point is that we did not have many forfeits.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-07-30 23:34:39)
Thematic tournaments?

Okay, let's try Evans gambit again as a thematic! Always a success :)


Mladen Jankovic    (2013-07-30 23:54:17)
Thematic tournaments?

How about
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7

It makes for some weird play.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-07-31 00:02:01)
Thematic tournaments?

Ah, that's a nice one too... does it have a name?


Dann Corbit    (2013-07-31 00:51:10)
Thematic tournaments?

"The unsound gambit". Black wins.
rnbq1bnr/pppp1k1p/8/8/4Ppp1/5N2/PPPP2PP/RNBQK2R w KQ - acd 35/52; acs 1558 ; acn 7330987122; ce -165 ; bm Ne5+; pv Ne5+ Ke8 Qxg4 Nf6 Qxf4 d6 Nf3 Rg8 0-0 Qe7 d4 Qg7 Rf2 Ng4 Re2 Nc6 c3 Be7 Na3 Bd7 Bd2 Kd8 Nc4 Kc8 Rf1 a6 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bc5+ Kh1 Qg6 Ng5 Qd3 Qe4 Qxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Nf6 Rf8 Bg5 b5;


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-07-31 09:54:45)
Thematic tournaments?

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 is the Lolli Gambit.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-07-31 11:34:54)
Thematic tournaments?

Thanks a lot Peter, indeed I knew the name :)

Sorry Dann, I tried to include this FEN in a PGN in the discussion but it doesn't work well :/


Ilmars Cirulis    (2013-07-31 12:41:09)
Thematic tournaments?




Ilmars Cirulis    (2013-07-31 12:42:58)
Gossip about Evans gambit

Damn, and now I don't know if I may discuss my thoughts because of Evans gambit thematic tournament. :) May I? :D


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-07-31 14:21:45)
Thematic tournaments?

That's your own analysis of the line Ilmars?


Ilmars Cirulis    (2013-07-31 14:31:28)
Thematic tournaments?

<< Sorry Dann, I tried to include this FEN in a PGN in the discussion but it doesn't work well :/ >> (Thibault)

I included it as PGN. At first try I started it from FEN (after 5th move), but then I thought that all moves from start position are better.


Mladen Jankovic    (2013-07-31 19:14:38)
Thematic tournaments?

I encountered it playing here, the interesting part is that it enables the black king to go on the attack early.


I've played it in game 2032, where I withdrew my king from the center even though pressing on did not seem impossible.

https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=2032


Dann Corbit    (2013-07-31 20:22:59)
Thematic tournaments?

It takes guts to play that opening as white, because it looks like a serious disadvantage to me. Of course I like the Orangutan, which is theoretically weak for white as well. I will examine game 2032 to see how it came out


Ilmars Cirulis    (2013-08-01 17:00:15)
Gossip about Evans gambit

So about the thematic tournament: with black I am going to play 4... Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 and hope to get to this position/variation:


With white I plan to play
or check my skill/luck against other retreats of bishop from b4.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-08-06 00:42:13)
Next WCH Stage start

Yes, there will be a replacement for Kamesh very soon!

How do you organize swiss tournaments at correspondence time controls?

Well, the original idea was to give a chance to everyone (including to climb the elo scale)...


Garvin Gray    (2013-08-06 17:51:39)
Next WCH Stage start

It is not a reasonable proposition to organise a swiss event with a time control of 30 days plus 1 day increment.

As the second round can not start until the last game of the first round is finished, it is almost certain that we would be playing one round per year :o


Scott Nichols    (2013-08-07 21:21:54)
Next WCH Stage start

It could be done easy, just like wbccc. Get rid of the increments and limit games to 25 days which is more than enough. But as the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." Thib is hardly ever here since he started that other project, but it doesn't matter. This site just kind of runs itself. I doubt if it will grow though, what you see is what you get.


Sam Berkman    (2013-08-22 20:08:10)
New FICGS software?

Is this a new moving system now? Just wondering Thib.


Sam Berkman    (2013-08-22 20:27:04)
New FICGS software?

Its pretty nice I like the new system. :)


Garvin Gray    (2013-08-24 19:42:36)
New FICGS software?

what new moving system?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-08-27 12:59:26)
New FICGS software?

What new moving system are you talking about, Sam? Maybe you tried the "fast moves" interface!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-08-27 13:10:01)
Next WCH Stage start

I have so many other projects... particularly during the summer. But none of them is the reason why FICGS doesn't evolve or doesn't get new players enough.


Garvin Gray    (2013-08-31 09:27:36)
New my games feature requested

I would like to see an additional heading item added to the my games page.

Currently I have a heap of games going. Some of them are class time control and some are rapid time control.

I think it would improve the site and make 'things' much easier if in the space between each tournament games, a new heading was added telling you either:

1) The actual name of the tournament those particular games belong to
or
2) Just a listing of class or rapid.

Because currently a game says 10 days remaining, but 10 days and 8 moves to the time control in a class event is different to having 10 days remaining in a rapid. This would then make it easier to prioritise games.


Alvin Alcala    (2013-09-04 00:20:36)
New my games feature requested

Thib seems so busy nowadays.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-09-04 00:46:10)
Withdraw from a waiting list?

Hello Joerg,

I can do it manually... but not systematically.

I removed your name from the list!


Paul Campanella    (2013-09-15 13:08:39)
Active players list

How about the player gets removed from the active list if they do not play a game within a period of 3 months?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-09-16 00:40:34)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

It applies to all games (as far as I remember :))


Wayne Lowrance    (2013-09-25 07:16:13)
My tournament activity

Thib I dis like having to post this msg.

Thib I have tried very hard to continue these tournaments. Somehow I have over committed Tournaments. I am competing in away to many tournaments. I am not able mentally & physically to play active chess. it is not fair to me and my opponents.

I am very satisfied with results. I currently have no negative results. My mind no longer has memory capacity for chess at my level.
My wife Dorothy has asked me to discontinue chess
She knows what it means to me and how hard this is for me to take this course of action.
Thanks to you and especially to all of my partners.
God bless all.
Wayne


Wayne Lowrance    (2013-09-25 07:18:15)
My tournament activity

PS please remove me from all aactivity. TKU Wayne


George Clement    (2013-09-25 22:16:46)
My tournament activity

Wayne it has been a privelige to know and play you. I hope you do alright if life.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2013-10-03 13:04:46)
Thematic tournaments?

I offer 2 further tematics: Sicilian Labourdonnais or French McCutcheon


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2013-10-05 00:38:01)
Tablebases and no-engines tournaments

To reproduce otb conditions and to tell them from correspondence (analytical!) chess is not possible with the time controls in days. The key difference is thinking in mind instead of pushing pieces during analysis.


Scott Nichols    (2013-10-08 16:52:38)
Best Freestyle Site

This site is still IMHO the best site for Freestyle. The interface is easy to understand and everything is clear, that's important to any site.

That's why I don't understand why the traffic has dwindled so. I'm sure we could come up with something to increase the Freestyle on here.

I'll start with my idea, :) Have a monthly Freestyle OPEN tournament. The only requirent is a 2 E-point entry fee. The winner gets 90%, FICGS gets 10%. The time controls would have to be bullet, 5 min with 15 second increment. If 8 players or less, it could be a round robin. 9 players or more, even up to a hundred!, would play a swiss style. Make it unrated so anybody could join. Have it on the first Sat. of the month. It would have to start at least by 1800 server time to get all the rounds in in ONE DAY.


Alvin Alcala    (2013-10-08 19:19:44)
Best Freestyle Site

+1 Agree

Super extremely awesome site to play freestyle chess.


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-10-13 13:37:38)
Communism

And when the right leader dies or is plotted against?

The problem is that you are left with a structure that is horribly open to abuse and history has shown that the abuse happens, e.g. under Lenin is was about OK, under Stalin it was a nightmare.

The ideals behind communism are good and all the problems pointed out with capitalism in Das Kapital are fair and as valid today as when it was written. Its just that in practice communism hasn't worked and I doubt it ever will.

Nonethless, Das Kapital is an excellent read for anyone with an even vaguely open mind and does show that we need a diffrent direction than we have today in the west.


Lazaro Munoz    (2013-10-14 15:41:37)
Communism

As to giving up freedom of speech, I pass you the words of Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberty [eg. freedom of speech] to purchase a little temporary safety [eg.free medical care, educuation, social security...] deserve neither liberty nor security."


Garvin Gray    (2013-10-18 14:37:25)
Kasparov candidate for FIDE president

Money has nothing to do with it at all. It all has to do with the votes of the dodgy african nations. You know. The ones who have one vote, the same number of votes as federations that have thousands of fide rated players, but do not have a single fide rated player.

One vote per federation, no matter how many fide rated players or members you have. So is it all a matter of how much you can bribe or offer the african nations.


Garvin Gray    (2013-10-20 12:50:19)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Was attempting to find the thread on allowing players to enter the next section up by winning the lower section.

Time for a review of this practice I think now that it has been going for a year or so.

I think it has had some benefits, I certainly have benefited from it ie have helped moved me up the rating list faster than otherwise would have occurred, I have noticed a couple of large issues.

In some groups, the waiting lists are taking much longer to form when two players from a lower rating group have entered early.

For instance a 2300+ group can be showing players with ratings of 2150 or so. This is possible when two players buy their ticket after winning a lower division and then their rating drops. This situation has occurred.

From then on for that group to form, it requires another 5 2300 players to join the group. That is a long and tedious process.

I think the rules on the upgrade ticket process need to be re-written to as follows:

A player, who has won the lower division, can only use the higher division ticket, once five or more places have been filled in that group.

The purpose of this rule change should hopefully show to keep 'strong' players that if they get in quick they can get a group going full of players of the ratings they want.

The market can then choose by entering quickly and watching the rating lists.

With the current situation of difficulty getting divisions started due to the number of wch groups started at the same time, some changes are required.

I think this rule is one area that needs to be reviewed urgently.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2013-10-22 21:16:49)
Kasparov candidate for FIDE president

Evgeny Bareev: Subjective speculations on the strange Kasparov-Karpov tandem

http://www.onefide.com/2010/05/28/kasparov-and-karpov-are-playing-another-game-this-time-a-political-one-by-igm-evgeny-bareev/


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2013-10-22 23:42:15)
Kievan Rus

Very likely? Yeah, to "democratic" and "objective" Western historians who re-write and falsify everything. :) I wish the above link was in English...

It's the eternal struggle of the "sea civilization" with "land civilization" (Mackinder's Heartland Theory).

"Moscow and Peter's town, the city of Constantine, these are the cherished capitals of the Russian monarchy. But where is their limit? And where are their frontiers to the north, the east, the south and the setting sun? The Fates will reveal them to future generations. Seven internal seas and seven great rivers from the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to China, from the Volga to the Euphrates, the Ganges to the Danube. This is the Russian empire and it will never pass away, just as the Spirit foretold and Daniel prophesied." - Fedor Tyuchev 1848


Eduardo Alex Baeza Ibanez    (2013-10-23 17:57:33)
Saludos desde Chile

Saludos a los fanaticos del ajedrez, soy uno de ellos y prueba de ello es que me he inscrito en cuanto servidor gratuito hay. Este servidor es nuevo para estoy a en una lista de espera imagino que en algun momento se completaran los cupos y comenzara los partidos, alguien que me aclare?.


Greetings to the chess fans, I am one of them and the proof is that I have enrolled as free server there. This server is new to'm on a waiting list at some point I imagine that quotas were completed and the parties began, someone enlighten me?


Garvin Gray    (2013-11-07 10:43:19)
ChessBase Light activate code

All your actions will result in on here is a permanent ban if you persist with them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-11-13 23:29:26)
World chess championship Anand / Carlsen

4 games played already in the FIDE world chess championship and the situation remains completely open...

Chances are about 50/50, obviously...


Charlie Neil    (2013-11-19 00:24:58)
World chess championship Anand / Carlsen

No one has anything to say about this match? Strange days indeed. As I write the score is +2 for Carlsen and game 8 starts tomorrow, 19th November. Let's get excited . . .


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-11-19 09:04:17)
World chess championship Anand / Carlsen

When the match started I thought that if Anand got ahead it would be a tough match but if Carslen got ahead there would be no way back for Anand. I have not seen much to change that view.

I admire Carlsen greatly and particularly his endgame ability but this has not been the most interesting match so far. Yes he set challenging problems where others would have given up, but Anand's mistakes have been too serious to make the wins seem really deserved.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-11-21 15:41:00)
Friend List

Hello Eduardo, which list are you talking about? From your email? To play an advanced (fast) game?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-11-21 15:43:37)
World chess championship Anand / Carlsen

Hey Peter, does game 9 remind you something? :) Obviously Magnus did much better than me in this one... I'm quite surprised that he chose this line though.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=74374


Garvin Gray    (2013-12-05 01:44:30)
WBCCC 2014 Entries Open

Entries for WBCCC 2014 are now open at www.rybkaforum.net.

For those not aware of our event, quite a few of the players here can speak about their experiences in the event, but as organiser I can say that many of the regular players have gotten a lot out of their participation, have improved their play and a lot has been learnt about freestyle correspondence chess in the three years that this event has been running.

Prize money is offered, but how much is determined by players and others willingness to sponsor.

Feel free to contact me by replying to this message, sending me a pm at rybka forum or private message here. A private message here is the least reliable.

Full tournament rules:

1) Tournament will be single round robin, meaning every person will play each other once.
2) A players seed position will be determined by their order of entry. The earlier you enter, the higher your number. The first person to enter will receive number 1. The seed position determines which number a player is in the round robin.
3) Entries open December 1 2013
4) Entries close January 6 2014
5) Play begins January 13 2014
6) Each round will be paired at the start of the event, with the pairings for the entire year published at the start.
7) Each round will have a maximum of four games, most likely two games (just like 2011, 2012 and 2013). The number of games will always be kept to a bare minimum
8) There will be a maximum of six paired rounds.
9) The minimum time control will be 30 days plus 1 hour per move. If the number of games per round needs to increase from 2 to 3 or 4, the time control will be lengthened. For instance, if we have 21 players, so needing 4 games per round to keep the number of games even and use five rounds, instead of the six rounds in 2013.
9) Pairings for future rounds are subject to change due to withdrawal of players and unforeseen circumstances.
10) If a player withdraws, or their games time out without an explanation that is accepted by the arbiter, all their games will be removed from the event. In effect they are no longer a participant in the event and no effect on the final placings.
11) There will be an official entry form that all players will be required to fill out before their entry will be accepted. This is so in case of emergency the organisers have a method of contact outside of Rybka Forum. It will include also include a person other than yourself to contact. Whilst I understand this might seem unnecessary to some, I do hope that events from 2013 (death of Salvador Signes and our inability to get in contact with the family) do show the need for better communication methods.

12) Xfccplay- Xfccplay is the official software provided for WBCCC 2014. Xfccplay is provided for the free use for participants whilst in the event. A user name and password will be provided once registered. Also download instructions will be provided by private message and these must be followed to install the program. The program is provided by chessok and is not to be passed on to anyone and is provided for the sole use of playing in WBCCC. All moves, draw offers etc in WBCCC 2014 must be played on this software.

13) New entrants will be required to play a couple of test games on xfccplay before entries close so that the arbiter is certain that all players are familiar with the software and its features. The organisers do not want to see players withdrawing after the event has begun because they find that they are unfamiliar with the software and get upset because their clock is running. Entries are open from December 1 to January 6. That is over a month to become familiar with the software. The organisers will not accept entries from players who have not tested the software.


Emile Trigance    (2013-12-13 19:44:54)
Classement

Je joue depuis plusieurs années et je n'ai aucun classement, aucune statistique, que dois-je faire ou que n'ai-je pas fait pour les activer ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-12-13 23:06:09)
Classement

Bonjour Emile, oui en effet... il se trouve que vous avez toujours joué les tournois marqués "unrated". Il vous suffit de jouer des tournois "class" ou "rapid" (marqués "rated" sous le nom du tournoi) pour construire votre classement.


Garvin Gray    (2013-12-14 00:00:49)
WBCCC 2014 Entries Open

Just wanted to make that clear, since the original posting did not generate a tsunami of interest, I thought a change of approach was required.

By the way Thib. Answer your emails will ya.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-12-16 18:44:40)
Entry fee for higher class tournament

Right now, it is fully displayed in the rules page only.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tickets

The ticket option is reminded (with a link to rules) in each email specifying that a tournament is won and on the "My messages" page. I'll probably add it to the Waiting list pages soon.

By the rules have been updated!


Garvin Gray    (2013-12-20 15:18:41)
WBCCC 2014 Entries Open

Entries are now at seventeen. More ficgs players wanted. If you know someone from another site who might be interested, please contact me.

1. Garvin GRAY GARVIN GRAY
2. Om PRAKASH MASTER OM
3. Scott NICHOLS SCOTT
4. George CLEMENT KEOKI010
5. Nikolaos SARAKENIDIS TRANDISM
6. Djordje KASABASIC ARMAGEDDON
7. Paul WATSON NATIONAL12
8. Matt O'BRIEN SCHACHMATT
9. Carlo ALTIERI ITACA2
10. Mark ELDRIDGE MARK ELDRIDGE
11. David EVANS DAVID EVANS
12. Neel BASANT NEELBASANT
13. Timothy COOKSON WEIRWINDLE
14. Ruben COMES RUBEN COMES
15. Erik VAREND DEKA
16. Jose SANZ PPIPPER
17. Michael GLATTHAAR DONKASAND


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-12-23 20:59:07)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

Well, as for me I still like very much this time control... It enables me not to accumulate too much stress (mainly because of periods -added to vacation- when I cannot play chess enough) while accumulating a few tournaments.

But I understand for sure your feeling! People do not play at the same rhythm, that's all and that's why we have rapid tournaments (that seem to be about as popular as standard tourneys).


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-12-23 21:55:40)
FICGS__BIG_CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__5

Hello Lazaro,

Sorry, the list remained open for replacements and it wasn't closed :/ It is by far too late now to start new groups, the new cycle will start in about 2 months from now, so feel free to enter the waiting list again as soon as it is open again.


Garvin Gray    (2013-12-24 07:24:52)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

The issue is not with the amount of time taken when players use a few days per each move, say 3 days on one move, 4 days on the next, 2 days on another and so forth, throughout the 10 moves for 40 days and so arrive at the end of the 10 moves with about 5 days to spare (playing it safe). That is how the time control is 'meant' to work.

No, my issue is with players who completely waste my time with behaviour that shows that they are able to move faster and can do so, but believe that is ok not to do so.

Most of us know exactly who they are and would have no problem naming them. If I had the option not to play them again, I would be comfortable doing so.

This is how they 'game' the time control. At the start of the game, they will make their first few moves in the first few days, leaving 35 or so days for 5 moves, then you will not see them for another 30 days, then they come back and make another 5 moves in 5 days (making the time control).

Then you do not see them again for another 30 days, except for maybe one or two moves, then they make 10 moves in less than 10 days (making the time control again).

And they keep repeating this behaviour for the whole game. Time period after time period.

In my period, this wastes 30 days per cycle of my life and I do hold Thibault partly responsible for it. He designs a time control that allows it to happen.

At least with the rapid time control, players who do this eventually end up having to make one move per day for the rest of the game, so they run the risk of running out of time. They show poor time management and get punished for it.

There is a simple way to stop this behaviour, change the time control.


Josef Riha    (2013-12-24 09:38:06)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

Hello Garvin, in unrated tournaments the same problem exists.

But another one is this: After a few moves they wait until timeout or resign also in a winning position. I found this very unrespectful and boring.

I can name this persons too.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2013-12-24 14:12:26)
FICGS poker ratings

I also have this problem with exactly one player. And I have now decided to act in the same manner against this player. If it looks as if I lose then I'm going to reply when my time is almost over.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2013-12-24 15:07:01)
FICGS poker ratings

This is the right thread, Garvin. I have the same problem as Stephane in his poker game 72996. And I tried to describe my way to handle this situaton.


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-12-26 11:55:26)
FICGS World Chess Championship results

I thought it would be a good idea to have a record of the FICGS world chess championship results somewhere in an easily digested form. So I have compiled them and published them on a blog.

I have done this mainly for people who are already members here but also wrote an introduction to FICGS for those who may not be familiar with it. Who knows, it might leads to some new members :)

You can see the article here
http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4640212584288527521#editor/target=post;postID=4543488454188377326;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=0;src=postname

The link to the championship results is at the bottom. I hope someone finds it interesting. I have beeen quite careful in compiling it but I expect there may be a few small errors in it. Please let me know if there are and I will make the necessary corrections.


Thibault de Vassal    (2013-12-26 21:59:43)
FICGS Facebook app in question

Hello all,

As you probably have noticed, we have less and less new players and it seems that many correspondence chess sites encounter the same problem (but chess.com, maybe gameknot... mainly).

Nowadays, it seems that everything goes with Facebook and Facebook applications (even if Facebook enforced their rules in many ways around apps), so I'm thinking about making one... somewhat against my principles. In my opinion, there may be many other reasons why chess sites lose popularity but that's another story.

So I'd like to know your opinion on Facebook applications (well, most are spammy and with one goal, gathering personal data... that's quite obvious) and why not we could share ideas to make it useful and viral as much as possible...


Garvin Gray    (2013-12-27 17:24:30)
FICGS Facebook app in question

Oh, and troublemakers and trolls can be kicked out of the group :)


Peter W. Anderson    (2013-12-30 10:00:31)
Ficgs World Championship 13

I am not sure that having lots of games starting at exactly the same time is really the problem. Having lots of them running simultaneously seems to be the issue to me and I don't see how that can be avoided without slowing down the world championship cycles.

I'll recount my own recent experience. I had a cycle 12 quarter final starting 2/7/13 and a cycle 11 semi-final starting 3/7/13. That I could manage OK. Then I had a cycle 10 round robin final starting 29/7/13. This gave 26 games and I did find this quite a strain. I don't think that overall it was any better than if the round robin had started at the beginning of July. Yes I had nearly a month with only 16 games, but on the other hand some of those 16 games were reaching difficult points and requiring lots of time when I had to start the extra 10.

If the round robin final had been started in say September or October then it would have been easier for me but that seems to be introducing an unacceptable delay.


Garvin Gray    (2013-12-31 15:46:09)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

Coasantino: As I commented earlier, the rapids are not too bad. At least a player will eventually end up with 1 day per move only and so may time out. But then we get into the situation of them 'gaming' their vacation and the discussions once again around that.

It is solely to do with the standard time control.

I think the standard time control should be:

20 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days and then 15 days plus 1 day per move from move 41.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-01-01 21:38:29)
Thematic tournaments?

Let's go for a McCutcheon :)


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2014-01-01 22:25:10)
Thematic tournaments?

New year and new thematics!


Charlie Neil    (2014-01-01 22:44:54)
Thematic tournaments?

McCutcheon good idea! And Steinitz Petroff 3. d4


Wilhelm Schuett    (2014-01-03 01:15:04)
Thematic tournaments?

Sicilian: (a) Kalashnikov, (b) O'Kelly;


Costantino Proietti    (2014-01-04 13:35:44)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

I agree with your time control proposal.
It seems a proper suggestion to prevent wasting time.


Don Groves    (2014-01-24 03:51:05)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

IMHO, the answer to this problem is to not allow any player to enter a new tournament if that player still has more than X ongoing tournaments. The determination of X remains to be resolved. It needs to be low enough to eliminate players from entering a new tournament and then not making any moves until their clock runs low. This is completely unfair to the other players!


Garvin Gray    (2014-01-24 06:26:31)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

Don: From my experience I am not sure the issue discussed in this thread really comes from game overload, as in having committed to too many games.

In fact on this site it would be difficult to commit to too many games :o.

Of course if a person has committed themselves to too many games across a number of sites, nothing can be done about that on here with a number cap.

So for this site alone, a game cap I don't think is required. The issue is the time control.

A curiosity- in one of the games to which I am complaining about, where I believe my opponent is 'gaming' the time control, the opponent has just past the time control, but now in a curiosity of the time control, it shows that I have 57 days for 10 moves and my opponent 43 days for 10 moves.

So in spite of having taken about a less 80 less days during the whole game, for this time I receive no credit for this due to the 59 day limit.

Seems like there really is no benefit to getting on with your games on here and the site administrator wants to endorse this behaviour. Certainty does not want to put anything in place to stop it.


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2014-01-24 15:33:08)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

Garvin the time control here is even faster than in ICCF (50 days for 10 moves) so the problem is not the t/c but the players abusing it, as you have stated. Why you want to penalize those who find satisfactory the system for the culprit of some rotten fruits?


Garvin Gray    (2014-02-03 02:10:36)
Standard time control abusers

Suffering again with two players abusing the time control.

Sick of this site with an administrator who will not doing anything about it when he has the ability to do so. I believe it is time to start naming and shaming these people and will start to do so in the next post after replies from others. I really do not care anymore, it is time this issue is exposed for the disgrace it is. Perhaps by exposing them, they will be gotten rid of. They hide under the cover of anonymity.

I am strongly considering resigning both games, telling Thibault what he can do with his site and leaving. I have had a F****** gutful of these actions and having months of my life wasted.


Garvin Gray    (2014-02-08 11:05:53)
Standard time control abusers

Thib, I have not replied to this because this item has been discussed before and I feel that you are not serious in stopping this issue.

There have been discussions in changing the time control, or changing the vacation rules, and other such discussions, and on each and every occasion you have said that there will be no change.

I have been left with the conclusion that you are on the side of the time control abusers and endorse their behaviour and that it is acceptable to have other players lives wasted for 30 days each 40 day period.

I have presented proposal after proposal to stamp out this scourge and you will not do anything about it.

You have the ability to do so and can act immediately.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-02-08 16:11:32)
Standard time control abusers

Changing the time control will not avoid the ways to abuse it... And we can always complexify rules (e.g. vacation) but it will always be possible to use it to gain time on difficult moves. All this reminds me the way we are governed in France, with the well known no-results...

Finally, I must say that you often had very good ideas for this site (even if many cannot be used yet because we have no players enough) but I think that your view on time controls is really subjective, probably most of us are really ok with the current rules and we can observe alternatives (iccf, wbccc, other sites).


George Clement    (2014-02-10 20:26:55)
Standard time control abusers

Thib, I for one agree with Garvin. Currently I believe the reason that no new m or sm tours have started in months is because of the time control abuse. There is no way it should take a modern computer and analyst 30 days to come up with 10 moves. They wait 30 days play 10 fast moves and are gone for 30 days again. It's one of the main reason play on this site is going down. n'est ce pas?


George Clement    (2014-02-10 20:37:01)
Withdrawal from all standard time events

I agree with Garvin that this would be a great standard time control.

"
20 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days and then 15 days plus 1 day per move from move 41. "

Why don't we try it? Thib what say you?


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-02-13 13:30:26)
Standard time control abusers

George, the main reason why no tournaments enough can start is that the number of new players slowly decreases for a while... I tried several things to solve this problem and it didn't work, now I'm trying other things but believe me, I'm doing my possible. The thing is that it takes time (particularly for Google) :/


Mladen Jankovic    (2014-02-14 22:18:12)
Also, other problems

At least the link is back on wikipedia corresponcence chess article, for starters, it may have been impacted by a study on external links deletion.

Another problem is that ratings appear to be negative sum, and will tend to go down accross the site. For example, I recently beat an opponent that has a rating higher than mine by almost 200, and he resigned on the tenth move, and I get *no* rating change, while he takes a loss in rating.


Garvin Gray    (2014-02-15 08:59:20)
Standard time control abusers

Ok, I have long had enough of this and since Thib believes that everything is a ok, it is time to start naming the abusers and their actions. Perhaps that will force Thib to start taking action against these people, because I, for at least one player, have had a bloody gutful of this player wasting my life.

The player concerned is: Mariusz Maciej Broniek and the game in question is: https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=71232

He has repeatedly made all his moves in the last 5 days of the time control, then let his time run down to the 5 days and then made another 10 moves and rinse-repeat and will do it again.

Mariusz is clearly able to move faster, but is deciding to 'game' the time control in an attempt to either annoy the S*** out of me, or hope that I will resign.

The significance of this game is that whoever wins, wins the tourney and all the e points, totalling 48 e points. I am +10 ahead and it is time Thibault stepped in and put a stop to this behaviour.

Either Thibault applies the 'bringing the game into disrepute rule' against players like this, by firstly giving a warning and then declaring the game lost, or Thibault makes it clear he stands on the side of those who seek to abuse and 'game' the time control and does not give a stuff about the lives of the members who they continue to stuff over.


Scott Nichols    (2014-02-15 15:42:10)
Standard time control abusers

I share your sentiments Garvin. I have, and still am playing many of these guys. It seems that they want to win points by extending the game as long as possible and hope to win by the other player either quits, gives gup chess, or dies. Another problem is players who reach a dead lost position, even one move before mate and then just quit moving altogether.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-02-15 23:44:49)
Standard time control abusers

Garvin, I know why Mariusz can play this way in general (like a few other ones) and this 'may have' nothing to do with any kind of abuse. Anyway this game seems really close to finish and everyone has the right to play games until the end. One could have chosen rules that say "every game with Rybka +/-5.0 is won" or even more complex rules involving evaluation and clocks, but this is not the case here (fortunately, anyway any rule can be abused). One can't know everyone's personal life.


Garvin Gray    (2014-02-25 11:36:55)
Standard time control abusers

Broniek is now down to seven days in my game against him and has 9 moves to make. I have no doubt that he will make the time control, then will sit on the game for another 35 days.

Thanks Thibault for wasting my life like this.

You have a choice, you can either be on the side of the abusers or the victims. It is clear which side you are choosing. At the clear cost of the site.

I know why most people are not commenting and this because they are scared to offend you, even though they hate behaviour like this. Instead they just do not participate in the events.

I have noticed that no one is promoting ficgs anymore. Perhaps it is because the members have grown tired of seeing a site admin allowing members to act in manners like this and not being held to account for it.


George Clement    (2014-02-26 18:22:36)
Standard time control abusers

Of the top 25 active users on this site only 7 have active games running!


George Clement    (2014-02-27 20:11:20)
Standard time control abusers

Doesn't help if you want to play in a rated tournament!


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-02-28 16:36:56)
Standard time control abusers

This statistic/percentage will increase with time, most probably (quite logical)... It is probably quite the same at ICCF.

Wch is always a problem with standard tournaments, that's one reason why I was not favourable (so far) to add another cycle (cup). But I think there will be more players registering soon, things are evolving in the right way with Google.


Garvin Gray    (2014-02-28 17:15:22)
Standard time control abusers

ICCF code of conduct 2: Extremely slow play in a clearly lost position is not proper behaviour in CC play, and is subject to a warning from the TD, and will result in disciplinary action if it continuous or is repeated in other games

Playing Rules- Server

3) Failure to Reply- a. The ICCF Webserver system will automatically generate an Email reminder when a player has not
made a move for 14 days and another, after 28 generated after 35 days of silence by a player.
b. When a player is sent a final reminder after 35 days of response time, he/she must either move or report to the Tournament Director and to his/her opponent, the intention to continue the game, within 5 days of that
reminder. If a player does not move or otherwise report his/her intention to continue, during the 40 days of response
time for the same move, the game may be scored as lost by the Tournament Director.

My own words- The number of days set above are based on 10 moves in 50 days, so for our site we would use a much shorter time period.

I can not answer what happens in practice on iccf as I do not play there.


Garvin Gray    (2014-03-01 03:29:31)
Standard time control abusers

And once again your response is to sit on your hands and do nothing. That is your clear response all the time to this major issue.

You ask for solutions, some of us attempt to offer solutions, you reject them. You ask for other sites rules, we offer them, you reject them saying they won't work. It is clear that you have no intention of doing anything about this and that you really believe that allowing my life to be wasted is acceptable, well I don't and I am sure the others who are trapped in this same situation do not.

I really do not understand how you can think it is acceptable to allow your members to have their lives wasted by players who are clearly just acting out of spite?

Your actions are really against the best interests of this site. I know as the site administrator that is a big call, but I really do feel it is the right call to make.

When you side with the abusers and not the victims, that is what happens.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-03-01 23:51:05)
Standard time control abusers

Here is a proposal... I'll post a new topic asking who is favourable to close the class A, class M & class SM tournaments, promoting regularly this new topic in the chat bar.

Then let's wait 7 days exactly. If there are more players wanting to close (temporarily, at least) these waiting lists, then it will be done.

Does it sound acceptable to you?


Garvin Gray    (2014-03-02 04:03:47)
Standard time control abusers

I see the idea of a vote as ridiculous and a waste of time. What it could lead to is people voting to keep the class A, M and SM tournaments open because they do not want to deprive the opportunity of someone to play in them, but the status quo remains that no one is joining them.

And what happens if you only get a couple of responses, which is exactly what could happen because of general site apathy?

If you want knowledge of how people feel about these matters, but do not want to publicly speak about the matter because they are afraid to offend the site administrator because they are afraid.

I have given you the absolute 'rounds of the kitchen' repeatedly and often on this issue and have not let up over a number of weeks.

It is natural on the internet that when someone is pushing that hard against the efforts of a volunteer site admin that there will be blowback and the 'pusher (me)' will cop criticism in return.

So far there has been little to none. In fact some of the regulars have been stating that there is an issue as well.

Instead of calling for votes that could just leave all of us in the same ridiculous situation, take the feedback I have provided, and also the inactivity of the groups as the votes that really count ie the marketplace has decided that they do not want those groups, and close the class SM, class M and class A groups immediately.


Josef Riha    (2014-03-02 10:21:48)
Standard time control abusers

As I said earlier in this thread, look at chesshere.com. There are no tournament classes here.

You have three possibilities to play a game in CC:

1.) Start your own game and decide the time control and elo-range of your opponent or enter a game at the game list.

2.) If you are a teammember the teamcaptain assigns an opponent to you.

3.) You can apply a Championship with different elo-classes.

In all cases the time control range is mostly between 3 or 7 days. No extra days are added after a move.

If an opponent ran out of time you can remain your opponent to do a move or finish the game immediately. After each game your elopoints are updated and you can see your success (or failure).


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-03-02 23:20:58)
Standard time control abusers

Chesshere is a very different system indeed. There is a server for any taste, I guess...

Garvin, if there was only you, George & I responding, then you'd be probably 2 to choose to close these waiting lists so I'd do it. But if you think I've installed a terror-like system here, then this is not an option anymore...

Ok, I think this decision is quite terrible but let's do this. Class SM, class M & class A are now closed.

Rapid SM 12 is now empty, rapid M 71 has one player & rapid A 158 has three, let's wait and see how it evolves during a few weeks/months.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-03-03 11:22:35)
Class A, class M & class SM closed

Hello all,

Waiting lists for chess class A, class M & class SM tournaments are temporarily closed as an experiment, following the discussion in the thread:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=11507


My sincere apologies to players who entered it already, but anyway you all know that class & rapid tournaments are difficult to start for 2 years now, so we're working on different ways to improve the situation.

Of course, you can send me an email if you want to remove your name from these waiting lists.


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2014-03-03 18:14:56)
Standard time control abusers

Why do you think that a serious player would join FICGS if he cannot play serious correspondence games here? He hasn't done it during the last two years, so he will not do it after this restriction of tournament structure.

IMO time control 30/+1 is only suitable for correspondence cafe chess games. It's enough time for poker games, maybe even go games, but chess? That's enough in no case, if you have to work or want to play on others sides too.

I don't play normal chess on this side because the class tournaments are not attractive enough. At least I should climb the next class level if I win a tournament. With this ELO-driven classification that is not the case. And in the WCH there is not enough time to play a serious game. Furthermore, I don't like the preferential treatment (own groups) for the "better" players. I think that many players feel the same way.

By the way I think it's terrible that chess players are condemned here because they spent their time (or vacation) as they need it. According to the rules that is their right.


Garvin Gray    (2014-03-04 01:15:06)
Standard time control abusers

FWIW, seems like at least one person thinks I 'got my way'. This is incorrect, I did not 'get my way'.

I wanted Thibault to take action against standard time control abusers, which he has not done.

Btw, in one of my games I am now on move 70 and have mate 13 and I think my opponent is going to make another move and then try and sit on the position for another 35 days.

Will Thibault step in then?

The closing of the three standard class divisions was a response to this issue and the fact that they have not started for a long time and that something needed to be done.

It is only after a decision had been made one way or another that some comments have started to come. I gave, some days, between replies, for others to comment, so others had an opportunity to cast their opinion, disagree, give alternative opinion and also to add new rules if they wish.

Then as nothing was happening with the discussions and my opponents were continuing with their actions, the need become more pressing. I have never said for a second that there is anything wrong at all with a person who moves at a rate of one move every five days.

It is with players who are so arrogant they believe it is their right to waste their opponents lives when they clearly can play at a faster rate. If they can not move at a faster rate, how come they can make 9 moves in 3 days, then not move for 35 days?

A person who is legitimately time poor will make one move every few days to make the time control.


Don Groves    (2014-03-09 22:26:32)
Standard time control abusers

I have long ago stated my opinion that, if a player cannot make one move per week (or maybe 10 days) in each game they are playing, then that person is playing too many games. I have come up against the same problems Garvin is talking about many times and invariably players who do this are playing 30 or more games at the same time. My solution is to restrict the number of tournaments a player can enter. No player can enter a new tournament if he/she has more than two tournaments already running.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-03-12 13:44:36)
Standard time control abusers

Even a 10 days limit per move would not solve the DMD problem... And we had debates on the number of tournaments each player can enter, such a (big) change would not satisfy everyone (for the least, I think).


Garvin Gray    (2014-03-16 08:39:10)
Standard time control abusers

So what prevents a player doing these two measures to get around the rule:

1) Putting themselves on one day vacation as allowed on here.
2) Making one move after 19 days, and then sitting on the position again till day 35.

Game would just advance one move.


Timofey Denisov    (2014-03-16 11:41:12)
Standard time control abusers

1) not working. Because vacation days just skipping in count, so clock will gain double speed in 21th day (if player took 1-day vacation).

2) Yes... maybe do more? Maybe decline 50-move rule on 6- or even 7- pieces in "normal chess"? (because exist tablebases for these endgames, and players just do moves from database), and next is do adjudgement in 6- pieces positions? Result can be gained from chessok.com, for sample. Or if 7-pieces position you can gain result from latest version Aquarium (licensed, pirated copy can't access to tablebases).


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-03-25 23:05:39)
Thematic tournaments?

Let's go for a Sicilian O'Kelly :)


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2014-03-26 11:43:37)
Thematic tournaments?

Good choice, I'm in.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2014-04-02 16:19:15)
Thematic tournaments?

Me too


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-04-09 13:18:35)
Alvin Alcala in Freestyle Battle 2014

It seems that Alvin still some chances to win the gigantic freestyle tournament named "Freestyle Battle" played at InfinityChess server :

http://www.infinitychess.com/Web/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=141

He is now second, Anson Williams is first... Wish him good luck for the last 2 rounds :)


Peter W. Anderson    (2014-04-10 11:14:59)
Alvin Alcala in Freestyle Battle 2014

Yes, excellent performance by Alvin.

Anson Williams is interesting. I can't find him on any correspondence sites. I believe he is English but I cannot find any record of an English Chess Federation or FIDE rating for him. The only type of chess he seems to play is freestyle and he seems to do very well at it. He must have a lot of natural talent because there are some strong OTB and correspondence players in that tournament.

Good luck Alvin for the last round :)


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-19 17:05:02)
remove from non-started tournaments

Is it possible for a player to have himself removed from the waiting list of tournaments which have not begun if he might not be able to complete the obligations and if he doesn't make this mistake again?

(specifically

FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_B__000205,

FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_C__000210,

FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_B__000217,

FICGS__CHESS__NO_ENGINES_TOURNAMENT__000071,

and

FICGS__CHESS__UNRATED_TOURNAMENT__000037

- these are many!!!).

Much appreciated if possible :)


Michael S.


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-19 17:05:55)
remove from non-started tournaments

I am hoping to have myself removed from those lists, with apologies for having entered too many!

Michael S.


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-19 20:40:44)
Standard time control abusers

I want to offer a general apology to my opponents here re. my late start in deployment of moves by maybe 20 days in some games. Since then, I have moved promptly (within the day) of each move received.

This isn't the only venue where I play chess and I was a bit overwhelmed. Then I decided I had an obligation toward my fellow players to follow through reliably with the games.

As to players taking the maximum possible number of days to complete a game, in any system there are unreliable persons, abusers, et c., and when the rules become so numerous and strict as to prevent this then there is no remedy when a decent person needs a little flexibility - intense discomfort caused by some is replaced by slight and persistent discomfort for everybody, and probably no one wants that scenario.


Michael S.


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-19 20:45:06)
remove from non-started tournaments

If the games in one or more, or even all the tournaments, initiated before I can be removed this is fine, but hopefully I can be removed prior to the start of the tournaments.

Michael S.


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-20 09:23:00)
remove from non-started tournaments

A previous post on the subject mentioned to email to the site director about removals. Maybe someone here knows where to locate the email address? I tried and failed to locate it.

Michael S.


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-20 16:30:34)
remove from non-started tournaments

I found the email and sent the missive.

Wishing everyone here a happy holiday weekend!


Michael S.


Garvin Gray    (2014-04-21 04:18:03)
Standard time control abusers

Hello Michael,

Players starting games 'late' is not unusual. I think we have all done it through a combination of factors.

The issue that has been discussed here does not seem to be something that you are even close to doing, which is in the standard time control, wait until your clock gets down to 5 days, then make 10 moves to make the time control, then wait another 35 days and then make another 10 moves and keep repeating this behaviour.


Garvin Gray    (2014-04-21 04:23:35)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

Currently ficgs has a rule that states: 11. 4. Time rules - Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time.

I think that 60 days is way too long a time period as a maximum limit and would propose that this be halved to 30 days.

This means a player has to play one move in each of their games every 30 days. This does not seem anywhere near onerous to me.


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-21 09:41:12)
Standard time control abusers

Hi Garvin,

Then maybe the solution is reduced maximum time on the clock? "Rapid" could be 10 days +1 day per move, 10 days maximum time available, or there could be no set maximum time, e.g. "rapid" requires a move in 24 hours or forfeit, "standard" requires a move in 72 hours or forfeit. What will happen though is a replacement of some players who always take the maximum time available and those few persons inducing most of the annoyance here (Pareto's principle) - this will be replaced with some players doing a tremendous amount of forfeits.

I'm not sure which is preferred (I don't know which I would prefer to encounter!).



M.


George Clement    (2014-04-21 17:30:07)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

I'll go along with that. Even better would be 20 days!


Michael Sayers    (2014-04-21 18:45:39)
Standard time control abusers

Hi Timofey,

These are just ideas off the top of my head. I don't know what a solution would be to the issues mentioned in the thread. FYI, I don't work for ficgs and am just a fellow member commenting on things :)

Real cc needs three days per move + no big delays except in rare instances (and maybe a courteous message would help, such as "I hope you don't mind but I need a few more days here to figure out what to do", et c.). Courtsey and sincere communication make a lot of things much smoother!


All The Best,
Michael


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-04-23 00:10:17)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

Tano-Urayoán is right, changing this limit means changing many things here, while bringing more stress to many players (that I wanted to avoid with this rule)... btw this will not solve the DMD problem.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-04-23 00:19:10)
Standard time control abusers

A problem with starting with only 10 days is players who may start a new tournament late.

Garvin, I must say I sometimes play this way myself when I have few time during a few weeks... I play easiest moves while delaying hard ones, then I concentrate on these difficult games during a short period and play several moves... Everyone may have his reasons.


Garvin Gray    (2014-04-23 15:28:34)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

This is not an attempt to solve the DMD issue, but was just a realisation looking through the rules and my games that 60 days is way too long.

Since 30 days seems to be too short for the rest of the responders, I will agree to 40 if that helps get the number of days shortened.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-04-27 19:07:11)
remove from non-started tournaments

Yes, you found the right way :)

As a reminder, the email is : info [arobase] ficgs [dot] com


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-04-27 19:13:49)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

If this is not about the DMD issue, why to increase the level of stress of all players and the number of time forfeits?! If one player from time to time has to play his move on the 39st day instead of the 59st one, he'll probably have some reasons to take the difference for his next move. There was very few (probably a few ones but I can't remember any) complaints on this point during these last... 8 years (damn, already!)


Garvin Gray    (2014-04-29 09:28:37)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

Just before anyone decides to say that I am complaining, or criticising Thibault too much. Or that I am dominating the issue too much (just anticipating some of the comebacks now :) )

I have given others a chance to either agree or disagree with either Thibault or myself, or even to give a different pov/analysis.

I do have a reply to Thibault's reply, but I do feel it is only proper to wait till others have had a decent chance to reply, lest I be accused like I was in another thread of attempting to abuse and dominate the site admin to force my own opinion.


Garvin Gray    (2014-04-29 09:35:01)
Reduction in max days available? (move)

Thib, each sport, should review its rules and conducts every once in a while to see if it is operating to best of its ability for the maximum enjoyment of the membership.

When looking through the rules and thinking about some of the issues here, I noticed that we do have the 60 day maximum play rule, which seems extra-ordinarily long.

That type of time (2 months) is a throwback to the days of email or even postal play, and in my opinion, is way to long for acceptable server play.

I still believe 30 days is the right time frame, but others have proposed 40 and so I am happy to abide by the majority if it gets the time shortened.

What I am concerned about and possibly trying to achieve a little bit, is that it is not acceptable for players to allow their games just to remain in limbo for an unlimited amount of time.

If a person can not make one move in each of their games on this site in 40 days, then perhaps they should be reviewing their participation. It is not fair on their opponents who have to wait around for them and it is not good for the site as a whole which needs games finishing for accurate and reliable ratings.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-05-13 23:01:16)
Class A, class M & class SM closed

It is now about 70 days that these waiting lists are closed, time to make a point.

The situation was the following on march 2 : "Rapid SM 12 is now empty, rapid M 71 has one player & rapid A 158 has three"

Now, Rapid SM 12 has one player , rapid M 72 (one started) has two players & rapid A 161 (three started) has one.

However only one player rated above 2200 entered the Rapid M tournament that started, and another one the current waiting list. On the other hand, respectively 2, 3 & 4 players rated above 2000 entered the Rapid A tournaments.

My conclusion is that closing class SM & class M tournaments waiting lists was not really useful while it was more useful for class A. Finally, probably one or two rapid A would have started during this period if class A was not closed.

Of course the main problem remains the lack of new players.

I now re-open the class SM, M & A waiting lists. Let's see how it evolves.


Jing Huang    (2014-05-25 11:44:03)
Class A, class M & class SM closed

To attract the new players, I have some suggestions:
(1) A league format might be interesting. (e.g. littlegolem)
(2) The way of displaying the tournament results matters a lot. You can try something different and see the effects:)


Garvin Gray    (2014-06-01 14:57:20)
Class A, class M & class SM closed

I agree with both of these points.

Point number 1 has been thrashed around a lot.

Point number 2 needs to be embraced. Currently the site really does feel like just one game to the next. It is very difficult to work out how each game fits in to the grand scheme of things.

As Thib has just had to point out to Neel, next stage starts Nov 1. This should all be displayed clearly as part of the wch section on the left hand side.

Perhaps what is required is a full site overhaul to change the layout so the tournament results can be displayed more clearly.


Gregory Kohut    (2014-06-04 15:57:28)
Thematic tournaments?

For the next Thematic tournament I suggesst Double Fischer Random. Double Fischer Random for when Fischer Random is not random enough for you.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-06-11 01:57:46)
100 point rating bands

To be honest, I have no idea or almost... As far as I can remember, ICCF does not have such limits, IECG always used the 200 points rating division. We could also wonder what about a 50 points rating division.

But for a coherence purpose (and not by lazyness), I wouldn't favor such a BIG change :)


Garvin Gray    (2014-06-24 05:17:57)
FICGS WCh results summary updated

Sorry to bring up an old topic, but it does show again that Eros Riccio has not actually won the World Championship match since the 4th cycle. All he has done is drawn the match.

The final match rules really do need to be re-written to make it more of a contest so the winner actually has to win the match.

It is thoroughly ridiculous that any one person is still champion after four drawn matches, without having won any of them. In some of them, not even winning a single game, IIRC.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-07-04 02:03:32)
FICGS WCh results summary updated

Garvin, it seems to me that this is only a question of definition: you win a chess game if you can take the king, or if your opponent runs out of time, or... and you win a championship if you fill certain conditions. Kramnik retained his title by this 7-7 against Leko in 2004 because it was defined this way. The question to know if it is ridiculous or not seems quite subjective.

@Timofey: 24 games would be a huge load of work. 12 games is quite a lot already and I'm not sure it would change anything. For example, Eros explained why he offered a draw in a probably winning position. Finally, we could change everything and make another ICCF but would it be useful or interesting when it already exists?


Timofey Denisov    (2014-07-08 08:19:31)
FICGS WCh results summary updated

Maybe, "revolving system"? For sample, first simultaneously start 12 games, but next game will start after end one of these games, etc until all games of this match started.

It will not huge load of work, but will give much more concurrency :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-07-11 01:01:06)
FICGS WCh results summary updated

Starting games one after another will take... years! 4 more games after the first 8 ones is 8 months more.

Garvin, I'm not defending the status quo to do nothing at all (even if it's ok for me from times to times), I really think that things are better as they are, even if there are many problems mainly due to the lack of players. Well, nowadays the curb of new players is going the right way, I hope this is only a start.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-07-11 01:06:42)
Call referee button, response time

30 days was chosen because it was the initial number of vacation days (as far as I remember). What if a player takes successive days of vacation? What if a player cannot play during this short period? We had many discussions that concluded into the idea that the human (referee) factor should be reduced at minimum. This clearly goes the other way.


Peter W. Anderson    (2014-07-13 10:54:56)
FICGS WCh results summary updated

I have given the question of the format of the WCh matches a lot of thought.

There is no doubt that having the advantage of the draw is a huge advantage at correspondence chess, much more so than at normal chess, simply because the draw rate is so high amongst strong correpondence players.

However, there are disadvantages to other formats. It is true that a tournament final gives a better chance of having a new champion. But the outcome is dependent upon the results of players who are not necesarrily fighting hard for the prize (perhaps they have an early loss, perhaps other parts of their lives become too busy). You might hope that in the final this would not happen, but if you look closely at the games in the round robin finals you will see some strange results, clearly drawn games being lost etc. If it can happen in the round robin final it could happen in a championship final.

Having more games in the final is a very logical option. However, as Thib has pointed out, this will create a big workload. It would make it almost impossible for a serious challenger to enter consecutive championships without having to withdraw from later ones if they reached the final (this is already very difficult witouht more games!).

Another option would be an advanced chess play-off. I would be concerned that this would be too dependant on who had the biggest hardware with less chance for human skill.

Finally, there is the chance to decide a tied match with a toss of a coin. Not a great way of picking a champion.

This problem is not so much an issue with the format as with the game itself - chess is almost certainly drawn with sensible play and as engines get stronger it is going to become harder and harder to win games.

All in all, I think the current format is very reasonable, perhaps the best.

One final observation re Neel's comment that a top player can draw a game if he wants. Perhaps, and if this is 100% true then the draw problem is realy severe. However, I am a little more hopeful. Eros Riccio sometimes beats even very strong players playing the same openings he plays - it is not as if the openings he plays are guaranteed draws in practice. He finds ways of putting them under pressure and sometimes they make a mistake. Perhaps eventually he will do so too (we may have to wait for him to get old!). Or to put another way, chess is almost certainly drawn but it is not an easy draw even at correspondence if white plays really well!


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2014-07-25 19:29:12)
Thematic tournaments?

It's time for new thematic. Let's play Budapest Gambit


Joerg Moormann    (2014-08-01 00:47:42)
Thematic tournaments?

Budapest with reversed colours:

1. e4 c5 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4


Ilmars Cirulis    (2014-08-15 17:02:41)
Friendly thematic games or discussions

Does anyone want to play Sokolsky-Orangutan opening (1.b4) with white? For any theoretical, practical or other reasons - without any prizes, just friendly game for purposes of exploration.

Also I want to explore such variation of Traxler counterattack: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Ke3 Qh4 8.g3 Nxg3 9.hxg3 Qd4+ 10.Kf3

Two will be enough for me now.

P.S. Sorry for disappearance some time ago with lots of unfinished games.


Nick Burrows    (2014-08-26 20:06:27)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Garvin: This is the paragraph Thibault referred me to -

b) "When a player wins a tournament with an entry fee (not null) and prize, he can choose after the game(s) to keep E-Points (by default) instantly added in his FICGS account or, if he has E-Points enough in his account, a money prize. Entry fees and prizes in E-Points are published on the tournament page in "Waiting lists". If games in such a tournament have not been really played for a win, for example if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games only to allow his opponent to get the money prize (and particularly if it happens several times), these tournaments will not be considered as win and the player showing this behaviour may lose his E-points involved in the tournament at the referee's discretion."

looking at it now, this doesn't even seem to cover my specific circumstance, as is this an instance of a player "not playing for a win"?

I always thought Thib was a nice guy, but his greed in this instance has really surprised me, and left a bad taste in my mouth.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-26 20:26:15)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Hi all,

I'll wait a few days before saying my word on this point (if necessary) to see how people read it by themselves. Thanks for your patience.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-26 22:33:41)
Friendly thematic games or discussions

So Ilmars... after all these years, is Traxler definitely losing? :)


Don Groves    (2014-08-27 13:18:01)
Standard time control abusers

This is true, Timofey. Thibault has no control over how many games are played on other servers, but he can control how many can be played on this server by known slow players. Reducing those games on this server may not eliminate the problem but it clearly could help.


Alexis Alban    (2014-08-27 14:49:01)
Standard time control abusers

I don't think that's the problem Don. For example the player Garvin is talking about only has 9 running games. However his profile says that he's doctor, so perhaps life responsibilities is causing his slow play rate.

I have well over 20 games running on this server and 5 on ICCF, and I feel like I can easily handle 20 more. There are times when I'm sitting there just waiting for my turn. I am however not a doctor, although I do work 40 hours a week.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2014-08-27 15:27:33)
Friendly thematic games or discussions

Definitely enough that I wouldn't play it with black but in thematic games for fun.
But I can't say that it's "definitely losing". Maybe I'm too old for fast, unfounded judgements. And too busy for too frequent and big analysis. :D

Sokolsky opening is just a nice opening which I would play with white too, actually.


P.S. I wrote this post during sad mood, it wasn't claim of Traxler refutation but invitation to, probably, small talk about chess.
In these 12 days the situation has radically changed and everything is okay, even very good. :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-28 01:47:20)
Friendly thematic games or discussions

Great then :) About Traxler counter-attack as well...


Garvin Gray    (2014-08-28 12:39:55)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

So Nick, just to clarify what happened if this two game match:

Player A (opponent) enters Gold Waiting List

Player B (Yourself) joins Gold Waiting List sometime later.

The two games start.

Both games time out with no moves being made in either game and you never heard anything from Player A.

Is that correct?

I do have an opinion, or a couple of opinion on what I think should occur here, but it is dependant on the timeline of events. So I want to get them in the right order before stating my opinion.


Garvin Gray    (2014-08-30 07:46:33)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Had some more time to think about this. Read the rules, read them again. Especially about where if a person asks for a financial payout from e points to Euro (and then converted to their currency.

They receive 75% of the stated e point amount.

So by my calculations-

David Evans paid 100 euro to enter the waiting list.
Nick Burrows paid 100 euro to enter the waiting list.

The advertised prize for winning the match is 196 e points.

So lets say that this match was played on merit and Nick won 2-0. He would receive 196 e points in his account. That is already 4 e points that FICGS is keeping for itself.

Then if Nick decided to 'cash out' those 196 e points, he would receive 75% of that- so 147 EURO.

This means that FICGS has received 200 EURO originally from these two entries, and paid out 147 EURO to Nick for his win.

Now, in the circumstance that has occurred here, the rule mentioned is more designed for multiple player tournaments to stop rating manipulation (sandbagging and the like), not for this circumstance.

Also, this rule states- For example if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games only to allow his opponent to get the money prize (and particularly if it happens several times). This would then be saying that David Evans deliberately lost both games on purpose to attempt to give Nick the prize (even though David paid the money out of his own pocket). Why wouldn't David just give the money straight to Nick?

If FICGS really does believe that part rule I have quoted has been violated and that David has engaged in game fixing, will FICGS be taking strong against David Evans, including suspensions or banning him from this site. It would be the logical conclusion for game fixing. Since this is the rule being quote to deny a payout.

Now the only other circumstance that I can think of why FICGS has attempted to deny a payout if that FICGS believes that Nick only entered the GOLD match, believing that David would not play the two games. That is a risky strategy for Nick to take, considering David is an active player, especially for 100 euro and 2 games.

Considering that even if FICGS pays out the money on this two game match, the site still makes 53 euro from a 2 game match, and I do not see a rule that justifies not paying it out, this money should be paid out.

A further question now is- Are these fees fair? A 53 euro profit from a 2 game match?


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-30 22:44:50)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

I have to specify here that the rule mentioned is absolutely not about rating manipulation (by the way, there is already another rule for this), it is about money prize in 2 players matches only, maybe with 3+ players in unlikely cases! It was added when a player got a money prize after getting a few free Epoints and without playing any move... Of course, that was not acceptable (the prize was paid though, following the rules) as games recorded -especially silver/gold tournaments- should be worth to watch. So these are the reasons for this rule: To avoid empty games, to punish the player who didn't play (by taking Epoints, which is a obviously strong act in this particular case) and to redistribute Epoints to players who deserve it. Just like the rating rule, why a player should get a money prize by winning games without fighting?

I don't think that suspension or banning is necessary here (it would be really hard according to me, anyone can have good reasons for a long absence, but I'll consider this option if many players complains on this point).

To answer the last point, I don't and I cannot know if Nick entered this match believing that David would not play and I don't think that should be the point. As always, we need undisputable rules, as fair as possible, and I do think this one is a good one.

One important thing: The site does not make 53 Euro from this match, at most the site makes Epoints (on the other hand, most are offered by the site, by far). That makes a big difference!

Finally, if I understand Nick's point well, the way to understand "if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games only to allow his opponent to get the money prize" may be ambiguous so it could be not possible to make the decision (who can know if David really wanted to play these games, wanted that Nick or anyone else get the prize?). So I probably should make it more clear to avoid such situation - even if I doubt that players realize about this rule before entering a silver tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-30 23:00:22)
Standard time control abusers

Definitely I'm in trouble with this problem. I still don't get why rapid tournaments (and a bit of patience... e.g. the case described by David) should not be a solution enough when many other players are ok with this standard time control, including DMD in the limit of the rules. Once more, there is no known way to avoid a Dead Man Defence that will always find a way to get around the rules, so...


Garvin Gray    (2014-08-31 10:34:50)
Standard time control abusers

Players are ok with the time control, that is not in dispute, it is this behaviour and behaviours like it.

Any arbiter feels that actions during a game are against the general spirit of the game and bring the game of chess in disrepute, they can always use the fide laws of chess PREFACE:

PREFACE
The Laws of Chess cannot cover all possible situations that may arise during a game, nor can they regulate all administrative questions. Where cases are not precisely regulated by an Article of the Laws, it should be possible to reach a correct decision by studying analogous situations which are regulated in the Laws. The Laws assume that arbiters have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding a solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FIDE appeals to all chess players and federations to accept this view.
A necessary condition for a game to be rated by FIDE is that it shall be played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.
It is recommended that competitive games not rated by FIDE be played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.
Member federations may ask FIDE to give a ruling on matters relating to the Laws of Chess.

And:

Article 11: The conduct of the players

11.1 The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute.

Whilst this is rather broad and rather vague, surely DMD type actions fall under this heading.


Garvin Gray    (2014-08-31 10:53:40)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

From what I have read here from your response Thibault- I see no grounds AT ALL to not pay the prize.

The rating rule is there for the best interest of the site, because ratings are meant to be the way we all judge what standard of play we are and what divisions we can enter.

So comparing a rating argument with this argument is drawing a rather long bow indeed.

Just like the rating rule, why a player should get a money prize by winning games without fighting?

Already answered about ratings. About winning games without fighting (or playing), Nick entered under the conditions believing the match would take place.

If he entered the match believing it to not take place and David did play, then Nick has taken a risk that has backfired.

The point is that it is not Nick's fault the match did not take place. From my reading of the rules, there is nothing clear that says you can not pay out the prize.

Remember, you are making an absolute ruling here that applies FOREVER. This means that in effect you have taken 100 epoints at least out of Nick's account, his original stake, for just entering a match.

I would ask as site admin. Why would ANY player on this site want to support paid matches after this event and circumstances?

When the site admin can in effect, I was not happy with your match conditions that it was played under, I don't really have anything to point towards, but I did keep your cash anyways.

I for one will not be supporting any matches or tournaments from now on whilst this practice remains in place. I do not want to enter a match, have it not take place and then the site admin say, tough luck, not your fault the match did not take place, but I am keeping your cash.

The more I look at this and type, I am finding it hard to not say that Nick Burrows has been robbed of his cash. These events are real.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-31 13:23:45)
Standard time control abusers

We had so many discussions here about the rules that concluded that no decision should be made involving any human feeling on a chess server... I remember ICCF/IECG tournament director(s) going this way as well and that's the way time/DMD rules were thought and written.


Nick Burrows    (2014-08-31 14:40:39)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

If the conditions that FICGS operates under were explicit, why would any player ever buy e-points?
Pay 100 euros for a match that you may get to play after a long wait of many months. If you get an opponent, but he doesn't play moves; Ficgs keeps his 100 Euros. At no time can the e-points you bought be converted to cash unless you enter the above process, and win, when Ficgs will take 25% of your winnings.

Like a bad joke isn't it!

Perhaps a better business model would be one that gave attractive and fair conditions to the players; so that rather than stripping bare every victim you trick into the system, you have take less money from each player but with many, many more participants?


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-31 16:36:03)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Once again Nick, you didn't buy a particular match, you bought Epoints without any certitude to play this match (that could have started without you, then you'd have asked a refund, I guess)...

And saying FICGS keeps Euros on this case is not exact, FICGS keeps Epoints just like those that are distributed in free tournaments prizes.

You seem not to realize that FICGS is not a casino and cannot be one. When you participate at a tournament over the board and cannot play the opponent you wanted to play, there is most probably no refund. If there is no other participant showing, there could be a refund (because no other match would be possible) but I doubt that you get the whole prize, nevertheless the tournament would probably keep some fees. That's quite the same spirit with this rule.

Finally, I think that players may want to buy Epoints to really play games and casually win and get a money prize. As explained in the rules, the 25% rake should be balanced with the results after a certain number of games. Things can go very fast with bullet or lightning games. If you really want to get a money prize, it can take a few hours after you find an opponent... Didn't you think about it?

About business models, believe me: FICGS is not a good one in France. I did not make it and I don't run it for money. By the way, as far as I know, even poker sites have difficulties under french laws.


Nick Burrows    (2014-08-31 18:11:33)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

I bought E-points believing they would be instantly purchased, and I could instantly start the match. There was no warning it would take several hours - so I did buy them for the specific match.

It may not be "exact" or "technically correct" to say that Ficgs (you) keeps Euros; but it is "essentially" true, although you "technically" cannot admit that you are actually running a casino under a different name due to French law.
These games are NOT modeled on any o.t.b chess tournament in existence, but they ARE modeled EXACTLY on a heads-up poker match. Which are run by CASINO companies and who ALWAYS pay the winner (me) and pay your money back, when you request it.

No I did not consider playing bullet for money, as that is a pure hardware contest.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-31 20:50:58)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

That's wrong, it is specified in the My account page (within days):

"Please send us a message through the form below after any payment on FICGS account, mentioning your name, address, country, account (email) at Moneybookers, the number of tickets you bought and the amount transfered. Your account in E-Points at FICGS will be updated within days."

Anyway, definitely I do not have to know that you bought it for this specific match or to act according to this view.

On the casino-like point, I invite you to contact the french government like I did, they will explain you why it is either the same or different in so many ways that it is impossible to know for sure at the end. At least I'm sure that the part of random is not the same in poker than in chess and that I have no right to act like a casino: all prizes must be related to tournaments, there's no possible "cash out" there.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-31 22:21:31)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Because the product sold is Epoints, not tournaments.

By the way I just remembered that this is also specified in the rules (membership.html) :

"Tickets in E-Points can't be sold to other members or paid back."


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-08-31 23:23:24)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

That's true, it doesn't mean it but please allow me to think it's fair enough though. At least, it seems to me that's very subjective.

Finally, I'm sorry for your disapointment but whatever the rules (that are now updated and I do think that the past & current version are fair), this is the only way to build something.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2014-11-30 22:05:00)
Thematic tournaments?

Yes, let's play reversed Budapest since January 2015


Dominique Geffroy    (2014-09-03 22:09:00)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

I will jump in, even though I have no affiliation with either party, and do not even know FICGS that well, having played only a handful of games here. But my background is finance, and I have decent training on fight against financial crime. What Thibault is trying to say, if I understand correctly, is that his business is running under some legal constraints, and in particular, I guess he has to prove to the regulator that in no way may his operation be used as a money laundering scheme by organized crime.

This is why the business would never be allowed to turn epoints into cash, except when there has been a real *unpredictable event*, i.e. a real game, a real tournament, which triggered such cash payment.

The reason behind this is that as soon as you have a failproof, 100% safe way of turning money into goods and back into money, there is room for money laundering activities on the back of such practice. The money becomes clean, because it acquires an identified source: FICGS in this instance. Even with a 25% cut, that is something very interesting for organised crime: cleaning the money has a price. By imposing that un *unpredictable event* happens, this opportunity taken away from would be abusers.

I understand your frustration, but once again, as an outsider with no stake whatsoever in this, I am pretty sure that if Thibault were allowed to do differently in this instance, he would.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-09-05 01:25:46)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

I must say that Dominique explained some things much better than I could... Thank you! On the second point, I guess that I'll have to deal repeatedly with this "doubt" for ever or for a moment as I tried to update the code for the prizes according to this rule but was not able to do it without making it too heavy, so I'll continue to take Epoints from winner's account each time in such situation before I rewrite the whole thing.

Finally I have to say that reasons for such rule remain at the same time fuzzy (I'm not able to justify it by specific points in the law - that is fuzzy itself) & personal because I want to avoid any risk and because I do think it's fair, which is subjective of course! As I already said, Epoints are taken there, others are offered there... So yes, I could have made another choice, I could even delete this rule (whatever it implies), you can think this is greed on this specific act, but at the end it fits the rules [in despite of the human factor at that time, which is now fixed] and that's the most important thing IMHO.


Nick Burrows    (2014-09-08 16:11:10)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Well I find that to win a Gold chess game and end up with 100 Euros less than I started with extremely insulting.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-09-13 23:04:25)
Thematic tournaments?

Still waiting for the waiting list to be filled before to start this Budapest.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2014-10-12 21:04:33)
Thematic tournaments?

Stop O'Kelly! Start Budapest!


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-10-12 21:48:52)
Thematic tournaments?

The Budapest Gambit is on (at last)... next one will be Budapest with reversed colours!

Have fun :)


Garvin Gray    (2014-10-31 16:00:59)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess

There have been quite a few changes. But considering our continual disagreements over many issues and the fact that apart from this event, I have walked away from this site, it is not my job to now go ahead and do your work for you.

I am not your research assistant. I offered you my advice many times over the years and in almost all occasions you flatly rejected them, or took so long to come around to them, that I have taken the decision to walk away from this site.

The new fide laws of chess have been on display since July 1 and have been confirmed in stages since then. I am not going to be your research assistant and now sit down and prepare a full document on what has changed and how it should be incorporated into this event- ESPECIALLY- when I know from your past form- that you will flat reject most, if not all, of my recommendations.

So I am not going to waste my time being your research assistant.

I have my own event to prepare for in 2015 and prepare the rules for in that event, which I am working through.

I can give you a word of warning though. If you think that the default time is the only major change, you are very wrong.


Garvin Gray    (2014-11-01 22:51:23)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess

There was no context other than a very simple request. With the new rules now in operation, I was asking where do we find a copy or further information on what changes have taken place for this event that flow on from the changes to the laws.

The areas I was mainly concerned with are in relation to:

5 consecutive repetition of moves and 75 moves without a pawn move or capture. The arbiter can now step and force the draw, there does not need to be a player claim.

So will the server be updated to match this? There are quite a few other changes as well where current server practices do not match the new rules.

But as I said, it is your responsibility to make sure that the competition complies with the new rules if you advertise that your tournament follows the fide laws of chess where possible.

The reason for my stance is a very simple one. Over the years, on almost every single occassion, when I have made suggestions or recommendations to you, you have gone in the opposite direction in pretty much 100 percent of cases. Or even when you have claimed to 'agree' with my recommendation, you have then given the trial period such a short time to make it practically worthless.

The last saga in relation with Nick Burrows said to me that, except for the wch, I will no longer be playing on this site.

I can tell you directly, your handling of that issue lost you a long time member.

On the format of the wch, if I actually thought this format was fair and even gave me a shot of winning it, rather than being so heavily biased in favour of Eros Riccio winning it every time, to the point of being fixed, then I would use that as sole motivation to win it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-11-02 14:19:06)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess

About repetition and number of moves without a pawn move or capture, FICGS rules already specify that it does not apply here so there is no change to make.

The rest of your message explains the context I was talking about. But we don't have to agree on anything: As I explained when FICGS started and many times after that, I wanted to make it (particularly the championship cycle) different from what already exists (and closer to previous FIDE cycle). Obviously, you prefer the other way, that's not a big deal, and there is ICCF or LSS. I would have been ok to make a cup cycle if we had players enough but that's definitely not the case. What to add? There are many reasons why FICGS has quite few members (real names to start...) but there are well known advantages to this. Otherwise there are chess.com, gameknot, so many sites full of players. Finally, complaining players are probably the most important ones here because they constantly bring ideas. There was many many improvements in the first years and it did not go against the coherence of the site. Your cup cycle idea does not even go against the coherence of the original idea of the site, only the context is wrong here. Changing the WCH cycle for a ICCF-like one would be the worst thing to do in this point of view. But that's only a point of view.


Jing Huang    (2014-11-08 12:02:55)
How is the WCH challenger decided?

In the (unfinished) tournament GO__WCH_TOURNAMENT__000011(http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WCH_TOURNAMENT__000011), Ruzin, Praz and I all have exactly the same points, but it seems that tournament GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000011 (http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000011) has started with Ruzin as the challenger.

Does anyone know how this is decided? Thanks :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-11-08 21:05:19)
Registered for Go WCH 12

Hello Jing,

The reason is you entered the waiting list after that the tournament started (deadline was november 1st)... You may have played it in case of a replacement but it seems there will be no spot this time, sorry about that.


Jing Huang    (2014-11-09 01:54:41)
Registered for Go WCH 12 but excluded

I see & thanks for the explanation.

By the way is there a specific reason why only 9 players are allowed in the rule? I mean, although it might be due to there are not as many go players as chess players on this server, this rule seems to further prevent more potential Go players from playing here ...


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-12-01 01:06:10)
Go legend died at 100

Go Seigen (12 June 1914 - 30 November 2014)

http://senseis.xmp.net/?GoSeigen


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-12-01 01:17:16)
Thematic tournaments?

The waiting list is open :)


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2014-12-01 12:51:13)
Thematic tournaments?

I mean 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 c5 3.e4


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-12-01 15:56:08)
Thematic tournaments?

Ah, the "famous" Norfolk Gambit of Nimzovich Attack, right?

Very interesting opening, indeed... So, next time!


Charlie Neil    (2014-12-01 23:43:42)
Thematic tournaments?

I have lived in Norfolk UK for 26 years. So let's have that Norfolk gambit as I have never known anyone from Norfolk to give anything anyway! . . . B-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-12-16 23:21:58)
delete account

The process has started, you must have received an email.

Best wishes,
Thibault


Peter W. Anderson    (2014-12-20 10:26:14)
FICGS chess WCh summary updated

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=AFB49FE3A5961D46&resid=AFB49FE3A5961D46!294&app=WordPdf

One hard fought game remaining in the 9th World Championship match. Well worth a look.

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=80633


Thibault de Vassal    (2014-12-20 23:21:25)
Thematic tournaments?

Norfolk Gambit of Nimzovich Attack is in place... a very funny opening :)


Alvin Alcala    (2014-12-24 16:46:08)
FICGS chess WCh summary updated

Seems black can hold.


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Thibault de Vassal    (2015-01-09 20:46:20)
Eros Riccio on his win in 9th chess WCH

Eros Riccio kindly accepted to answer a few questions after his win in the 9th FICGS correspondence chess championship. Once again, his answers are worth to read... including probably a few surprises and valuable informations for most of us!

_____________________________


- Hello again Eros. Congratulations for this new win! So you played Jeroen for the second time in a row, this time in the 12 games format. There were 12 draws but it does not mean a lot. How did things go?

--> Hi Thibault! Nice to answer your questions again :-) I managed to resist again Van Assche's assaults, this time he was well-determined to win, as he made me really suffer in a couple of games. The first game was a semislav, me as Black. He played a rare variation (starting with 14.Be2 followed by 15.Qd3) that was new to me. At first the engines were giving 0.00 evaluations, but after the move 22.Qg3 they started to realize that Black's position was difficult, and they kept increasing their evaluation in White's favor move after move. That was quite a scary thing to see, and I really thought that I could have lost the game. I had to use all the thinking time (leave included) to be able to resist. This new variation impressed me so much that I decided to use it as White myself as a surprise weapon, and in fact it allowed my engine on autoplay on my old I7 980x to win a lot of games as White and a 500 dollars prize getting first place in a strong tournament on Infinity Chess. The second game was a Spanish, me as White. After his 7...0-0 I decided to avoid the Marshall (that would have probably happened if I had played 8.c3) trying the AntiMarshall variation 8.d4. I am now convinced that this variation gives nothing good to White, but I didn't know that yet when I played it! Already after the rare strong move 11...c5! things were starting to get difficult for me. He simply continued with c4 and d5, getting space advantage with his Pawns on the Queenside, while I could find no attack at all on the Kingside. Again I had to be very careful to escape with a draw.

- What can you tell about your other results this year, particularly at ICCF where you're now ranked #9 with an outstanding rating of 2639 ?

--> My ICCF elo in the past few years has raised. Slowly, but it has raised. I had no defeats and a couple of wins in the Olympiads and European team tournaments started in 2012. I am satisfied of that, as winning nowadays in top correspondence tournaments is very difficult. Important is to remain undefeated.

- Last year, you said that you felt like your play was getting weaker each day because your machine was getting older, did you finally upgrade it? But maybe this is a secret...

--> No. As I wrote earlier, I haven't updated my machine. Fortunately cpu's general speed has kept increasing not as quickly as in the past, so my I7 980x can still compete.

- Did your vision of computer chess evolve after these last 18 months? What do you expect for the next years? Do you plan to become a chess cyborg? ^^

--> Fortunately for our hobby, computer chess isn't rushing towards the "all draws" situation that I talked about a couple of years ago. That's because, fortunately, increasing cpu's power and engine's strenght is getting more and more difficult. Yes, some main lines already lead to all draws often, but chess gives so many openings options that to avoid that, you can simply play subvariations. When played a lot, also subvariations will become main variations. Then again, when the draws rate gets too high, you just pick another less played opening. It will take many years to cover every opening to a high draws rate.

- Your next challenger is Peter W. Anderson, who made a convincingly path through the round-robin cycle before to defeat SM Igor Dolgov 5-3 in the 10th candidates final (by the way he's also playing the 11th candidates final). It seems that you never played him before. How do you feel this match? Do you have any words for your opponent before that the games start?

--> I am happy to play a new player! We have just started our match, again, all my first moves as White were 1.e4. What to say... it's up to him to avoid main lines as Black (he already did it answering with 1...g6 in three games) if he wants to try to win with the black pieces. But the real challenge for him of course will be to try to win with the White pieces. It will be interesting to see if he can find holes in my Black repertoire like Van Assche was able to do. Let's wait and see!


Garvin Gray    (2015-01-10 17:24:43)
Class GM 3 and Rapid SM 12 entry rules

Currently I believe there are two players who have been allowed to enter two divisions who under the current rules are actually ineligible and their entries should be withdrawn.

The current rules state:

Tickets for a higher class tournament : However, when you win a rated tournament (only after that you receive an email specifying it or when the tournaments list shows your name as winner or co-winner of the tournament) or if your rating is at most 50 points below the low rating limit of the next class tournament's waiting list, it is now possible to buy a ticket for the next class tournament's waiting list (for example if you win a chess class A tournament, you may ask for a ticket for the next class M tournament) for 10 Epoints if the following conditions are filled : 1) No more than 2 players obtained the best score in the tournament. There's no winner otherwise. 2) The player's TER must not be more than 200 points below the low rating limit of the tournament's waiting list. 3) At most 2 players may buy a ticket to enter the same waiting list. 4) Five players at least must have entered the tournament's waiting list already so that you can buy a ticket for this tournament. 5) The possibility to buy a ticket is valid up to 1 year after the end of the won tournament and only after the official end of the tournament [when the tournaments list shows winners, not leaders of the tournament]. 6) As the price for any ticket is 10 Epoints, the player's account must be credited of at least 10 Epoints.

The key regulation- and I recall this because I had it included for a specific reason- is: 4) Five players at least must have entered the tournament's waiting list already so that you can buy a ticket for this tournament.

The reason for this regulation is that the division is meant for the players of those ratings and it is clear that having to players with ratings significantly lower than the minimum rating will reduce the chances of them entering.

So those using tickets are entered last, in positions 6 and 7, only after it becomes clear that the division can not be filled without them.

So under the published regulations, both players should be removed and put in their correct divisions.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-01-11 01:07:34)
Class GM 3 and Rapid SM 12 entry rules

You're absolutely right Garvin... Thank you! Looks like I'm not used to this new rule yet :(

There was a ticket a few days ago for the rapid SM tournament, so I made the necessary here. The entry in class GM seems older but anyway this tournament may not start before a while, or at all. This waiting list is closed for the moment.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-01-11 20:49:12)
Class GM 3 and Rapid SM 12 entry rules

I can do this, but should I move anyone from any rating list to another for any reason? I never did until now (as far as I remember), so I prefer not to. Herbert can enter any other rating list if he wishes.


Maurice Ellis    (2015-03-27 17:34:51)
Thematic tournaments?

What about my gambit: 1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.Nc3(Nd2),dxe4 4.Nxe4,e5 the Ellis Gambit in the French Defense


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-03-28 22:10:17)
Thematic tournaments?

Seems tough :) Ok, let's do this.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2015-04-01 15:56:05)
Thematic tournaments?

I'd prefer Noteboom


Charlie Neil    (2015-04-01 18:48:59)
Thematic tournaments?

Yes, good idea. The Noteboom was played at the last Super GM tourney.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2015-04-13 01:24:39)
Thematic tournaments?

I prefer the triangle setup with the knight on c3: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 . It can lead to noteboom, but offers more choices.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2015-04-14 14:28:18)
Thematic tournaments?

Triangle setup is fine because it offers a very wide range of options to play, but this circumstance means that it is not good for thematic tournament. A series of Slav thematics might be reasonable: (a) Winawer gambit 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 e5, (b) Slav gambit 3...e6 4.e4, (c) Noteboom 4.Nf3 dxc4, etc.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2015-04-18 01:12:14)
Thematic tournaments?

But I would play 4.e3


Wilhelm Schuett    (2015-04-18 01:16:57)
Thematic tournaments?

I always play 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 or perhaps 3.e3. After 2. ... e6 I play 3.Nc3!


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-04-24 23:38:09)
Thematic tournaments?

Noteboom will be the next thematic tournament (once this waiting list is filled).


Angus James    (2015-05-01 14:38:48)
Problems with FICGS automated email?

My opponent made a move on 27.04.15 but I didn't receive an automated email telling me until 30.04.15, 3 days later. Has anyone else experienced any issues with delayed FICGS automated notifications recently? Thanks


Josef Riha    (2015-05-02 12:41:45)
Problems with FICGS automated email?

I have the same problem but it's solved now.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-05-03 00:07:17)
Problems with FICGS automated email?

Yes, I had to deal with a server problem... it took about 2 days, now everything should be ok.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-05-03 01:25:37)
Chess tournaments rating ranges

Hello all,

As you probably noticed, we slowly have more and more difficulties to fill some tournaments waiting lists (mainly chess SM ones).

No change seem to solve this, actually all major chess websites seem to have less and less activity. Anyway I made a minor change (step backward) with the chess waiting lists rating ranges: brackets are now 400 points again. Looks more logical to me according to circumstances and players behaviour.

Let's wait and see. To be continued.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2015-05-04 14:04:57)
Thematic tournaments?

Current thema (French) has no entries. It's time to replace it and to announce Noteboom (or Winawer gambit).


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-05-04 23:59:05)
Thematic tournaments?

New thematic tournament: Noteboom variation (after move 4).


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-05-11 12:37:25)
rating update May 1st? when?

Ah, I didn't see your post before... Yes, the rating list was updated on May 6th. I simply was distracted by the emails issue that occured around may 1st and took me a few days.


Alvin Alcala    (2015-05-15 03:49:21)
Alcala wins 1st Centaur Weekend Tourney

Thank you Thib! :)

To those who might get interested to join the remaining grand prix freestyle chess tour schedule is below.

Planned tour dates:
(Friday til Sunday)
CWT 2: June 5th - June 7th
CWT 3: July 3rd - July 5th
CWT 4: August 7th – August 9th
CWT 5: September 4th – September 6th
CWT 6: October 2nd – October 4th
CWT 7: November 6th – November 8th
CWT 8: December 4th - December 6th


Firhan Firhansyah    (2015-05-17 02:06:38)
untuk orang indonesia gabung di sini

bagi yang baru gabung dan belum tahu cara bermain di sini silahkan ajukan pertanyaan. saya akan bantu semampu saya


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-05-17 15:33:35)
untuk orang indonesia gabung di sini

Hello Firhan,

Thanks. Yes, strangely we have many registered players from Indonesia, but almost all of them are inactive.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2015-05-17 21:39:26)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

Omfg, I was so young... :D


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-05-18 01:14:14)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

... almost 9 years ago, do you believe it? :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2015-05-19 16:37:59)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

Yes, time flows fast. Damn. :)

Sometimes still analyzing it. I wouldn't want to play Traxler against myself. Black usually has to find draw (they can hope) in some boring endgame.


Peter W. Anderson    (2015-06-14 17:34:57)
FICGS Chess WCh Results Summary Updated

Web address is...

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=AFB49FE3A5961D46&resid=afb49fe3a5961d46!402&app=WordPdf

Next summary update probably December.


Peter W. Anderson    (2015-06-14 17:52:04)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I recently played in an Infinity Chess freestyle event and was impressed by one of their tiebreak rules. If scores were tied a player got a bonus if he had stalemated an opponent.

I would like to suggest this is adopted in the matches (not tournaments) in the FICGS world championship and that is it the first tiebreak rule applied, i.e before ratings and whether wins or only draws have been played. I would also suggest it is adopted for the title matches too. Perhaps it could be introduced from the 15th cycle onwards or even in existing cycles (11 to 14) where a match has not begun.

This seems a very fair tiebreak rule to me, which would normally reflect who overall played better (came closer to winning) in a drawn match, especially where all games are drawn.

The only disadvantage I can see to this rule is that it would prolong games as some that would currently be agreed drawn would in future be played through to stalemate.

On the other hand it would get us thinking hard about which drawn endgames lead to stalemate and which don't and that in itself is quite interesting.


Peter W. Anderson    (2015-07-02 16:20:58)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Yes, this could be a small but deep change. Perhaps some drawing opening lines would be less attractive because they will lead to stalemate. I see that as a good thing as it will lead to more fighting chess.

As nobody has objected perhaps it should be implemented :)


Alvin Alcala    (2015-07-02 17:18:46)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

This will convince Thib! :)

http://en.chessbase.com/post/correspondence-chess-the-draw-problem


Pablo Schmid    (2015-07-02 20:32:45)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I am against that rule. Giving a bonus for stalemate is almost like playing for stalemating your opponent, which is not the aim of the game and this would change the game deeply.


Nathan Austin    (2015-07-02 22:27:27)
A couple of questions

1) Where can I find the rules that are in force for the various world championship tourneys?

2) It seemed to me that the three world championship tourneys all had the same deadline. At this point I have some chess games, but I don't have any go games, nor do I have any poker games. When will those tourneys start?


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-07-05 14:11:09)
A couple of questions

Hello Nathan,

1) On the waiting list page, these rules are combined to the playing rules that you can find here:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general

2) Yes, I'm late for the other tournaments 'cause my internet provider decided it :) I'll make my possible if it works well today. Sorry about that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-07-05 14:22:20)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Thanks for the article Alvin, I read it entirely. My feeling is still about the same than Pablo's: This is deeply changing the game. Doesn't it mean restarting from zero while at the end (which may be not so far), the same problem will appear again... maybe slightly weaker, but still?

On the other hand, I concede that I made a (less) deep change in the rules when I started FICGS, by not adopting the 50 moves rule, so I'm still hesitating.

My position would be first to wait and see what ICCF will decide on this point, meanwhile I'll try to have more opinions here on this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-07-05 14:49:03)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Also, Arno Nickel suggests:

"Therefore, I specifically suggest enhancing the score system to include a ¾ point for a performance with an added value as compared to a regular draw:

a) stalemating the opponent;
b) being a piece up against the naked king."


What about King vs King + 2 Knights?

I'm not sure if this b) point is really "natural" (and clear enough).


Pablo Schmid    (2015-07-05 15:07:19)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

King + 2 knights = forced stalemate. I was wondering if a king + bishop or king + knight can stalemate by force a lone king.


Peter W. Anderson    (2015-07-05 17:16:00)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

The suggestion that Arno put forward in the article goes much further than what I was suggesting.

Under his suggestion a win could be outweighed by several stalemates. I am not in favour of this.

However, in my suggestion, stalemates would only be taken into account when a match is tied, so stalemates would never outweigh wins.


Jan Ohlin    (2015-07-05 21:14:44)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I think you overlooking a little that a good defense leading to stalemate means showing great skill. It´s not all about luck...


Pablo Schmid    (2015-07-06 00:03:04)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

If we think about the stalemate logic, 2 knight vs 1 knight would be a draw by repetition or move limit if there is no stalemate or knight exchange. But can one bishop or one knight + king force a stalemate vs king alone? Anyway this is not chess anymore, many endings would be artificially become lost, for example king vs king + pawn, pawn a c f h vs queen, and many 1 piece vs 1 piece + pawn.


Jan Ohlin    (2015-07-06 04:59:02)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

And stalemating gamepoints definitely will favour stupid engine playing and not human thinking with endgame skill


Jan Ohlin    (2015-07-06 09:34:18)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=78874
Stalemate points as favour for black´s good opening play or white´s strong middle and endgame play?


Pablo Schmid    (2015-07-06 09:48:34)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I don't see the link between your game and the stalemate!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-07-06 13:48:10)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

It seems to me that it's still a point of debate: According to me, stalemating an opponent (or having King + Bishop vs. King) reflects who played better ONLY IF rules say it before the game.

In some cases, it actually reflects a better play, but in some others, it only shows that the stalemated player (or naked king) found a clever way to draw the game by giving the opponent the illusion of an advantage. Isn't it quite subjective after all?


Peter W. Anderson    (2015-07-09 09:35:12)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I have avoided commenting further on this idea because I wanted to see what other people had to say. But now I will reply to the points made.
“Giving a bonus for stalemate is almost like playing for stalemating your opponent, which is not the aim of the game and this would change the game deeply.”
As I said I am against a points bonus, but am in favour of using stalemates for tie breaks. The real question is would someone start a game aiming for stalemate as opposed to start the game trying to win? I am not sure how you would do that – either way you have to try to build up an advantage and if it gets big enough it will lead to mate and if it is not quite big enough it might lead to stalemate. Anyone who gets the choice between a win and stalemate will presumably always take the win.
The one way I think this will really affect the game is by discouraging some very deeply analysed defences that are known to drawn or close to drawn but will almost certainly lead to stalemate. Personally I think this is a good thing, but I accept that the opposite view could be taken :)

“I think you overlooking a little that a good defense leading to stalemate means showing great skill. It´s not all about luck.”
Reaching stalemate as the defending side can be very simple (e.g. king and pawn vs king) or can indeed show great skill. It is almost never down to luck. In the case where great skill is shown that skill earns you half a point instead of no points. Nonetheless, the very fact that you needed great skill to save the game shows how close you came to losing, so I see no reason not to use this as a tiebreak rule.

“And stalemating gamepoints definitely will favour stupid engine playing and not human thinking with endgame skill”.
Like Pablo, I think quite the opposite is true. In fact one of my motivations for suggesting the change was to increase the human element in the game.

“According to me, stalemating an opponent (or having King + Bishop vs. King) reflects who played better ONLY IF rules say it before the game. In some cases, it actually reflects a better play, but in some others, it only shows that the stalemated player (or naked king) found a clever way to draw the game by giving the opponent the illusion of an advantage. Isn't it quite subjective after all?”
I have some sympathy for this viewpoint. If we could play perfect chess and at the start of the game someone decided to take the draw by allowing themselves to be stalemated then that would be a very good example supporting that view. However, I think the reality is different. In most cases when someone gets stalemated (or would be stalemated if the game was played through to its conclusion) it is because they have got a worse position and have little choice if they want to save the game.
If the defending side could achieve a draw by stalemate or by other means, then under today’s rules they could choose either way. Under my proposed rules they might be wise to choose the other method, unless of course they were confident of achieving more wins in the match.

“Maybe the games become more interesting if instead give small extra score for win with black!? Encourage black to play for a better score, just as UEFA do in football.”
This might be helpful for tournaments but I don’t think it helps at all for match play. In reality, if you can win just one game in a match you will most likely win the match. Therefore you don’t need a bonus to play for a win with black in a match situation.
However, I think this point indirectly touches on an issue with match play and how hard people try to win, and I do think the stalemate tiebreak rules would help a little with this.
The problem as it stands is that the higher rated player (or the champion in the case of the tile match) knows that if all games are drawn he will win the match. The higher rated player (or champion) can therefore take a low risk approach to the match, with both black and white (actually I think the low risk approach with white is just as much a problem).
If the higher rated player (or champion) was not certain that all draws would win them the match then they would probably try harder to win. This would give a better chance of decisive games in matches.
One way of a achieving this would be through a toss of a coin if the match is tied with all draws. Personally I would not find this satisfactory.
Whilst the likelihood of stalemate is quite low, it will nonetheless be there, so this rule might encourage the higher rated player or champion to try harder for a win.
I will speak from personal experience on this matter. In most of my recent matches I have been the higher rated player. I still play some relatively risky defences as black (e.g. the modern against 1.e4) and I always try to win with white. However, I have to be honest, if I am the higher rated player, I do not always play the very sharpest lines as white and I do not often play some of my riskier defences to 1.d4. If the stalemate tiebreak rule was in place, I would be taking more chances with both white and black.
So whilst I accept that it is not perfect, I still think the stalemate tie-break rule is a good idea. However, as nobody else has spoken out in favour of it I accept that it is very unlikely to be implemented and I won’t write any more on this matter unless someone asks me a direct question. It is time to concentrate on my matches under the existing rules! :)


Alvin Alcala    (2015-07-10 14:46:26)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Hi everyone. GM Arno wants to post in this thread as he has trouble logging in.
Introducing a 3/4-1/4 score for stalemate does not mean changing the whole game. Lasker and Réti, the fathers of this idea, knew quite well what they did, when they said, it's only a minor change (btw following the ancient chess, when mates were rare and a stalemated player had to pay half of his stake).
Some people on ChessBase argued and feared that the game might become bloodless as players would fear to sacrify material. But that's a wrong assessment.
Here is a "normal" classical GM game with a Morra Gambit, that could have happened the same way under the new rule:
E.Berg - S. Rocha (POR 2013)
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0–0 Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Qxf3 e6 11.Rfd1 Qc7 12.Rac1 Be7 13.Bb3 Rc8 14.Nd5 exd5 15.exd5 Ne5 16.Qe3 Qd7 17.Rxc8+ Qxc8 18.Bxe5 0–0 19.Bf4 Qd7 20.Rc1 Bd8 21.Qd4 Re8 22.Qb4 Be7 23.Ba4 b5 24.Bb3 Rc8 25.Rxc8+ Qxc8 26.a4 Qc5 27.Qe1 Kf8 28.Be3 Qc7 29.axb5 axb5 30.Qb4 Qb7 31.g4 h6 32.Qd4 Nd7 33.Qe4 Bf6 34.Qb4 Qa6 35.Bc2 Ne5 36.Kg2 Nc4 37.Bc1 g5 38.Bd3 Qa1 39.Bxc4 bxc4 40.Qxc4 Bxb2 41.Be3 Bf6 42.Qc8+ Kg7 43.Qf5 Qc3 44.Qe4 Qb2 45.Qf5 Qc3 46.Qe4 Qb2 47.h4 gxh4 48.Qf4 Qe5 49.Qxh6+ Kg8 50.Kg1 h3 51.Qxh3 ½–½
Follow the comments in the MegaBase.
White sacrifies a pawn at move 3. He regains it at move 18 by a typical piece sacrifice. Later White, who is pressing a lot, while Black defends quite well, could have won a pawn by 38.b3 (instead of 38.Bd3?): e.g. 38...Qa1 39.Bxg5 hxg5 40.bxc4 bxc4 41.Qxc4.
Berg argues he might have had practical winning chances. Either 1-0 or 1/2. So what is the big difference, if we would say: either 1-0, 3/4 or 1/2? It's just making the game more exciting, more fair and a bit less drawish, what is badly needed for correspondence chess. The basic wrong assessment is that it might be significantly easier to achieve a stalemate advantage. But it isn't (and that's why only a small percentage of games will end like that). Last but not least, players who achieve a clear endgame advantage deserve a 3/4 point instead of 1/2. K+P, K+B, K+N vs. K should be a difference to K vs. K." Thanks again, Arno


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-07-11 02:18:11)
E. Riccio on his win in the 10th CC WCH

Once again, Eros kindly answered a few questions after his win in the 10th FICGS correspondence chess championship. His answer on tie break rules meets the discussion in this thread:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=11773

____________________________


- Hello Eros and congrats again for this new win in the FICGS correspondence chess championship! This time, your opponent was Peter W. Anderson and you're playing him once again in the next final match. Actually, all games finished in less than 3 months, which looks like superfast, how did it happen?

Hello once again Thibault! Yes, the match with Anderson was very quick. The reasons are that he moves very fast, and like me, I don't seem to remember that he took any day of leave.

Also, our games were not played until the very end; many draws were agreed with many pieces on the board, as soon as we thought that none of us had winning chances.


- For many players, it is quite impossible to beat you in such a 12 games match (probably because of the tie rule). After all these won matches do you start to think that the advantage is too big?

It's a fact that a very high percentage of correspondence games played at the top level ends up in a draw... (and that percentage is even higher in my case, as my strategy is to avoid taking risks) so yes, talking against my interests, I think that something in the rules should be changed.


- By the way, your opponent suggested an interesting tie rule in the forum ( Chess, Poker & Go forum - Topic 11773 ), in the context of more general new ideas for correspondence chess rules (e.g. article by GM Arno Nickel - Correspondence Chess – the draw problem ) in order to increase the interest of the game. Do you have any opinion on all this?

The idea GM Nickel launched could be interesting, even if before we can say for sure if it can be applied in serious tournaments, it needs to be tested.

If I understood correctly, having a piece more in a draw endgame, after the game is over, a little plus on the score would be given to the player who had the small advantage.

I always thought like: How unfair! That player had King and two Knights against a lone King of his opponent... still he only got a half point anyway! Or even worse, in theory, one player could have this position: King in e1, Bishop in h1 and 6 Pawns from h2 to h7. (Black King in h8) Counting the value of pieces that would be a a +9 advantage, like a Queen more, but still it would be a draw. Another crazy scenario, more common, are those blocked positions were 16 pawns block the center (or more simply any fortress position) and not rarely it happens that a color has a huge material advantage but can't break through in any way. In this last case the player with material disadvantage could have found a genial idea to reach that blocked position, should his opponent with extra pieces still be given an advantage after the game?

Another important consideration is that this rule could discourage attacking players to play gambits or make sacrifices, as if the attack fails, their efforts to try to win would be punished! This last case would even increase the draw rate.

Probably Nickel didn't talk about giving a plus after games finished with advantage but still many pieces on board, anyway those positions (except the 16 Pawns one) could very well be played on until only one piece would be left.

After these examples we can see that there are so many different ways that a position with material advantage can be reached... but it's not always fair that the player with the advantage should be given a plus after the game. As a paradox, an advantage should be given to the opponent if he smartly managed to sacrifice one or more pieces in order to reach a draw endgame which he would have lost if he didn't give away material.


- Of course, the level of chess programs is for much in it. Do you feel that high level correspondence chess and centaur chess evolved much this year, or did it reach a kind of peak?

The level of correspondence chess increases in a parallel way as computers, databases and chess programs improve. Slowly everything keeps improving. Of course, due to the more thinking time, correspondence chess will always have a higher draw percentage than blitz games played by computers.


- Finally, what can you tell us about your correspondence chess path this year, particularly at ICCF where you're currently ranked #13?

On ICCF I am fighting with the Italian Team (I am playing in second board behind the World Champion Finocchiaro) in the 9th European Team Championship.
---> https://www.iccf.com/event?id=44123


Jan Ohlin    (2015-07-11 07:14:05)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

We all agree about that the drawing problem occur when top players playing matches against one another they avoids taking risks, and overall that the likelihood of stalemate is quite low in chess?
Then maybe we should play more risky openings and as well more closed positions also. I see we don´t do that now.


Pablo Schmid    (2015-07-12 02:09:18)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Here is most examples of my ficgs practice (corr and Advanced chess). This represent a low percentage of my games. These games are food for thought from my own assisted experience against that rule that I call "+1 decisive advantage chess". I believe you could already burn a lot of chapters in ending's book. Most of my games show balanced games until the end, sometime, the "punished guy" could have played another drawing defense, sometimes not, unfairly to me. The game would be more safe, with less sacrifices of piece vs 2 or 3 pawns and things like that because of fearing an ending with king vs king + piece or king vs king + pawn even if the sacrifice was sound and well played. Game 22895 and 84758 I would probably have been punished by the rule in the ending of game 22895 (and my opponent in the other game), and that type of ending in general (piece + pawn up vs piece when the king cannot block the pawn). Game 37122 Shame on me, my advantage in that ending was not sufficient to force my opponent to sacrifice his bishop for my last pawn. This is why I only deserve 0,5!
Game 37920 That king of pawns vs piece + pawn would become lost for the player without the piece, what a way of punish some balanced sacrifices for pawns!
Game 54907 and 20704 That kind of opposite bishop ending would be "lost" for the guy pawnless even if the transition into an inferior but drawn ending was the intention of the "inferior guy".
Game 74870 The ending is perfectly balanced but my opponent couldn't finish the game the way he did because of the rule.
Game 74875 I would have been half-losing in the pawn ending after a nice defense in an interesting unbalanced material line.
Game 74880 the ending knight + h pawn would have been "half losing" for me even if we can't say that I was clearly worse overall.
Game 76734 and 76764 Technichally this game is not directly concerned by the rule but it is very close. I was on the verge of defeat but I have managed to defend stubornely. If he have played well to get a winning position and then the win disapear because of bad play but still finish with a draw, he would get a bonus because he played better overall? The way I managed to defend would not be rewarded?
Game 77809 In this game the whole deep opening line would probably be "half losing" for Black in the ending because of the new rule.
Game 80954 Suddenly it seems that I would have been punished for my defense in the final position.
Game 85106 I did not play specially badly but... I would have been punished for my way of finishing the game!


Jan Ohlin    (2015-07-12 07:58:10)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Thank you Pablo showing these concrete examples. The tecnical problem occur more often than I expected.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2015-07-15 15:57:00)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

This is my best try against Traxler counterattack, today.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kf1 Qe7 7.Nxh8 d5 8.
exd5 Nd4 9.d6 Qxd6 10.Nf7 Qc5 11.d3 Bh4
( 11...e4 12.b4 $1 Qf5 13.dxe4 Nxe4 14.g4 $1 Qg6 15.h3 $1 Be6
( 15...Qc6 16.Ng5 $1 Qxc4+
( 16...Nxg5 17.Kxf2 )
17.Kg2 Nxg5 18.Bxg5 Ne6 19.Nd2 Qxb4 )
)
12.b4 $1 Qe7 13.Nd2 $1 e4
( 13...b5 14.Bb3 Bb7
( 14...e4 {Different transpositions of 13...e4} )
( 14...Bg4 15.Nf3 e4 {Transpositions of 13...e4} )
( 14...Nxb3 15.axb3 )
( 14...a5 15.Nf3 a4 16.N7xe5 axb3 17.Nxd4 Qxe5 18.Qe2 Qxe2+ 19.
Kxe2 {Endgame} )
15.Nf3
( 15.Bb2 Nxb3 16.axb3 Kxf7
( 16...Qxf7 )
( 16...Nd5 )
17.Nf3 Nd5 18.Qe2 )
15...Nxf3 16.gxf3 Nd5 17.Nxe5
( 17.Qe2 )
( 17.Rg1 )
17...Qxe5 18.Qe2 {Long endgame, maybe draw} )
( 13...Bg4 14.Nf3 Bxf3
( 14...e4 15.dxe4 {Transposition of 13...e4 14.dxe4 Bg4} )
15.gxf3 b5 16.Bb3 Nxb3 17.axb3 Kxf7 {Easy endgame} )
14.dxe4 b5
( 14...Bg4 15.Nf3 Nxf3 16.gxf3 Bh3+ 17.Kg1 Qxb4 18.Qe2 Qc5+ 19.Be3 Qh5
20.f4 Qxe2 21.Bxe2 Kxf7 {Endgame} )
15.Bb3 $1 Nxb3
( 15...Bg4 16.Nf3 Nxf3 17.gxf3 Bh3+ 18.Ke2 Nxe4 19.Qd3 Nc5+ 20.Qe3
Nxb3 {Long endgame, maybe draw} )
16.axb3 Qxf7 17.Nf3 $1 Nxe4 18.Qd3
{Long endgame, maybe draw}

Lot's of endgames. :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2015-07-15 15:57:20)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

* Lots


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-07-16 17:48:44)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

Lots of work!


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2015-08-03 09:43:29)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

Let's play Traxler thematic since September


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-08-05 14:49:46)
Improving netiquette rules

But how do you know if this player has no good reasons for not playing in this particular case? Obviously, there may be something like 20% chance, maybe more, anyway there is a chance... or (at a much lower level / without computer assistance) he may even not know that he's definitely losing... I saw such cases happening and I'm 99% sure that actually there were good reasons in half of these cases at least.

And after how many days one could say there is a netiquette abuse? This is a really tough path IMO.

Scott, what do you think about this public remark? Is this also a netiquette abuse according to you?


Scott Nichols    (2015-08-05 17:11:02)
Improving netiquette rules

Yes the remark in public was wrong also. There is not much to do if a player lets his clock run out instead of resigning. Just wouldn't play them anymore unless you get paired in a tour.

I've seen games where the player resigns and then finds out later he could have won. But this is common I'm sure.

As for the suspension IMO Thib has the right to do as he sees fit, he is always fair, and even if I disagree sometimes I find out later he was right, :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-08-06 01:38:48)
Improving netiquette rules

Thank you Scott! Goes right in the heart.

Just trying to find the "best" way, this is really hard in some cases (e.g. such case), that's why help and discussion are always welcome ^^

About this case, I think I'm still following my line (also strongly suggested by Gino during the first months of FICGS) that human decision should be reduced to the minimum. It is obvious that it demands strong rules and patience to all players (particularly during a possible Dead Man Defence)... Here, it is important to check if the "insulting" aspect is subjective enough or not, I must say I don't feel qualified to say it. I had to make a decision by myself, but I'd prefer being able to read it in the rules next time.


Alfonso Di Giandomenico    (2015-08-18 13:28:05)
Number of tournament won

in statistic (FICGS statistic are great!), I think, this item is not clear.
I think is an important element.


Jan Ohlin    (2015-09-21 12:11:39)
The draw problem, part two

If both players believe in the engines evaluation it´s a draw. So stop doing that! Here are som help make use of your head instead.
http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/fcv8wP6U/file.html


Scott Nichols    (2015-09-23 16:01:32)
The draw problem, part two

That is a terrible site! Sloooow and jam packed with ads, never could see what you wanted to show. Why don't people just say what they want.


Jan Ohlin    (2015-09-24 11:37:26)
The draw problem, part two

I found same lessons about chess engines blunder at youtube also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N20YQZ7xmjE


Garvin Gray    (2015-09-26 11:36:01)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I see this topic is being discussed again, or was. I notice that Eros has not actually won a game against an opponent since match 4.

This means, unless results are missing, that he has not beaten successive opponents the matches since. All this shows is that he is the equal of the players he is put up against and it is the champion retains the title that allows him to stay where he is.

This then results in the nature of play we see, which is defensive.

I proposed back quite a whilst ago that the format should be changed for the final match to 8 games, and then if the result is 4-4, the remaining 4 games are played.

Disclaimer- I come from a position that I believe that Eros should be made to show that he is the best player on this site.

He has drawn too many matches with all drawn games for this to continue and I do not believe this is a healthy situation for the site and it needs to change.


Garvin Gray    (2015-09-27 12:55:00)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I will carry this point on a bit. Thibault defense for the current system is that it maintains the old classical system of the world championship.

But even fide has recognised that the draw odds to the champion gave too much advantage, and that is in over the board play, never mind in engine chess.

The defending champion already receives two advantages- the right to be in the final match, and if that match is lost, then is in the next qualifying match.

And then the champion in the championship match also receives draw odds.

When you see it written like this, do you now see how much of an advantage the defending champion actually does receive?

And this all goes back to when the site was first set up.

It is not like Eros had to play through from the first stage against all the beginners and fight his way and defeat the previous defending champion to win the title.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-09-30 23:46:19)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

And I'll say it once more :) FIDE made a choice that may have given more chances to everyone, I agree with that, but it seems to me that the chess world championship lost its aura & legend, just like world champions (IMHO). Also, results are a direct consequence of rules, it does not mean that Eros does not deserve his place (IMO), he certainly would have played differently in a round robin. Finally, FIDE WCH is round robin, ICCF WCH is round robin, why everything should be round robin?


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-10-01 01:50:23)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Oh, right... big mistake, sorry :) I was probably influenced by your comment "But even fide has recognised that the draw odds to the champion gave too much advantage" (heard "that's why they changed the format to RR")

Anyway, ok I also recognize that the draw odds to the champion gives too much advantage... but this system still looks better than any other one to me. I also remind that even Eros agrees with this draw issue. Finally, yes I'm open to any suggestion for a change, but we really have to find something strong.


Garvin Gray    (2015-10-01 09:07:08)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Keeping the discussion solely to this issue of World Championship Tie break rule and draw odds, I have already made one proposal, which is that the final match be split into two parts. The first eight games be started, and then if tied, then the remaining four games are played.

A defensive strategy in the first eight games is not so well rewarded, because the champion has the knowledge that if the first eight games are drawn, then they have to play another four games.

Yes, after 12 games, I am still stating that the champion retains the title if the match is tied 6-6, unless someone can propose how to break the tie with more games, but at least this way, the two players have more to gain by trying to win a game, especially the champion and concluding the match in the first eight games.


Scott Nichols    (2015-10-01 14:55:14)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

It's pretty simple IMO. Make each year unique, no seeding. Everybody has to play from the start, prelims, semi's and finally a RR final. One thing I would add is a under 2000 and over 2000 ch's.


Alvin Alcala    (2015-10-02 18:37:50)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

In case of a tie let them play a tie-breaker game with accelerated time control.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-10-08 18:11:38)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Your idea is attractive Garvin! But, it is a question of time also, and organisation of championships cycles... I don't see a satisfying solution with this one.

Scott's idea looks like the original FICGS cup's idea... and ICCF WCH. Just one more correspondence chess RR championship.

Alvin's idea is exactly what a correspondence chess champ. should avoid (IMHO), I mean server or internet provider problems... It would be a shame that it decides a winner (like it may have happened in freestyle tournaments). Also, this is just not correspondence chess anymore.


Garvin Gray    (2015-10-09 16:57:51)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Thib: I have not replied to this topic since my last comment for two reasons. 1) Nothing new to add 2) I had seen Scott's comment and was rather upset by it as I saw the danger in it. This discussion, in my opinion, is about one topic only.

We have discussed the ficgs world cup and other formats before, and can again, but this discussion is for one item only, so I did not want to contribute in any way to derailing the discussion. So I decided to refrain from comment as I had nothing to add.

To respond to your comments Thib- timing of the championship cycles will always be an issue, no matter the format. Regardless if you use 12 straight games, my format, or Alvin's. Or any other version.

We already have different groups starting at different times, and the final starting at different times to the other groups. This is just how things happen. It is possible that the final could be over in 8 games and in a shorter time period and time gained.

I think this format is worth trying for at least one cycle. That is also what happens with the otb world championship. There are format changes from time to time. Some are successful, some are not. Matches used to be 24 games in length. Now they are 12 games. One was played as an 8 player double round robin.

Things change as the environment changes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-10-14 02:29:41)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Garvin's last idea is actually really interesting in my opinion. I always thought that 12 games should be enough, but I would be ready to change it to 16 if a majority approves... Any opinions on this (and on Scott's remark as well)?


Garvin Gray    (2015-10-14 15:17:26)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Jan: Eros has clearly stated that he has used the advantage of draw odds by playing defensively and by playing for draws, knowing he only needs to draw all the games to retain the title.

So he knows he does not need to win the match to retain the title and has used the rules to their full effect. Of course this is his right and well done to him, but it is also the organisers and rule makers duty to change the rules when the circumstances are no longer in the interest of the event as a whole.

If all 12 games in each match had been blood and guts affairs, and a few games had been won, but the eventual score was 6-6, then this whole conversation would probably not be happening.

But when only ONE, I REPEAT ONE, game has been won in the last eight matches, and Eros has managed to retain the title each title, it is clear that the rules need to change.

I have made two clear proposals. As illustrated above, it is not a case in the previous matches that all the games were hard fought, so your argument that adding four extra games would be onerous in the final match.

Yes, it could produce an effect of more drawn games from short draws, but then if this the case, then all players should be warned the organisers will be forced to seriously consider introducing no draw agreements before move 30 without the agreement of the arbiter.

Again, this is what occurs when the players make it clear they are determined not to win their games.


Garvin Gray    (2015-10-17 14:19:12)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

This is different to my Ficgs world cup proposal, which had clear goals in mind.

In my opinion, this just seems like one big round robin and once the games start, it will be rather difficult to feel like the games are anything special, unless the field is red hot.

And a big fat no to the standard time control. Lengthen the rapid type time control if you wish, but do not use the standard type time control.

30 days plus 3 days per move should be satisfactory.


Jose Carrizo    (2015-10-20 01:45:23)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Very interesting proposal! 32 games = lots of fun. And 30 days plus 3 days per move seems reasonable.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-10-23 22:10:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Could someone copy-paste Garvin's original idea for the cup tournament? I'm not sure which thread deals with it (even if I think I remember the main scheme)...

By the way, I agree with your points Garvin, finally question is what tournament do we want? ... Surely we'll have many different answers. Multi-rounds tournaments bring many problems (first is IMO that next rounds start-date still surprise many players), that's what I thought one round could be interesting. Also, it looks like a big challenge with a fast result. But I agree that many top players would think twice before to enter it, but wouldn't they do the same in a multi-round similar event? To be continued.


Garvin Gray    (2015-10-23 13:11:56)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I think this whole discussion has missed the original point of why I made the original proposal for the ficgs world cup.

It was to give players who were in the 2100 to 2200 and below more opportunities against players rated 2300 and above, whilst still also giving the top players something to play for ie the tournament win.

So the original concept was that there was no knockout groups, or starting final match, but instead that all players started from round one, and then everyone had to qualify for round two from there, with only the winners to advance at each stage.

The format above could have even taken over from the waiting lists we currently have, which struggle to be filled, as they give more purpose.

Instead, what is being proposed now, is just one big round robin. As someone who has just organised a round robin event, I can assure you, soon after the games have started, the players will soon forget which games are for the world cup, and which are their World championship games, and which are their Rapid SM, or Rapid M games.

Next, the strength of the field. For this event to work with the monster round robin, it really does need most of the top players competing. How can this be ensured to make it a worthwhile event?

Related to this- the time control. Very few serious correspondence chess players are going to sign up to a time control of 10 days initial time when they potentially have 31 games.

Remember, this is meant to be one of FICGS main events on the calendar. That is at least how I view it.

The time control should be 30 days plus 3 days per move if the format is single round robin with 32 or so players.

I still believe the original proposal of mine is the one that should be adopted, not the single round robin that is being discussed now.

I will not be playing in the single round robin.


Alvin Alcala    (2015-10-29 16:55:49)
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Bogoljub Teverovski    (2015-11-01 12:25:11)
Thematic tournaments?

It's time to switch from Noteboom thematic to Traxler or to King's Gambit


Jose Carrizo    (2015-11-02 18:07:27)
Thematic tournaments?

King's Gambit


Wilhelm Schuett    (2015-11-05 01:27:39)
Thematic tournaments?

Modern Defence, Sicilian Kalashnikov or Sicilian 2.Nf3 g6


Wilhelm Schuett    (2015-11-05 01:28:56)
Thematic tournaments?

Old Benoni, Modern Defence, 1.d4 e6 2.c4 with 2. ... Lb4+ or 2. ... b6, 1. ... Sc6, Old Indian, Morra Gambit , Ponziani


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-11-10 01:41:18)
Thematic tournaments?

Let's go for a King's gambit for now :)


George Jempty    (2015-11-16 17:28:32)
New quotes?

"Before the endgame, the Gods have placed the middle game" Siegbert Tarrasch


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2015-11-16 22:09:27)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Hi all. I try to express my opinion.
The main idea of mass round-robin tournament is good but
I think that the strong players might reject it.
As it seems, I see 2 different ways here:
1st. To have a strong tournament with top players.
2nd. To have a mass tournament just for fun.

In order to organize the 1st tournament you should do the next things:
1. To set up money prizes for winners (more prizes -> more top players might be interested in).
2. To send out invitations for players by email and etc.
3. The time control should not be too fast here if you want a qualitative games
and good tournament.
4. About splitting into the groups.
4.1 Semifinal stage.
I offer to play several qualifying semifinal rounds with 2-3 chessplayers coming into the Final stage.
For example, we have 50 players. So we can create 5 Semifinal groups with 10 players in each with 3 coming out places for the Final.
The time control here I offer 10+2/21 with vacation.
4.2 The Final stage.
I offer 15 players for the Final stage and 14 games for everyone,
or, another variant is 7-8 finalists and 14-16 games with color change for everyone.

About the 2nd tournament my opinion is:
1. To set up money prizes depending on entry fees, for each player.
2. To play mass round robin tournament with 1 game against each player
with faster time control, 10+1/21 for example.

In 1st variant you need to find a contributor to organize the tournament.
But it should be interesting. The 2nd variant with entry fees is interesting too, I think.

AMICI SUMUS,
Sergey Zemlyanov.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-11-17 02:34:49)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Why not a deadline... with a few more opinions, I think it will be possible (if it goes in one direction more than another)!

Anyway, we see that new opinions bring more and more questions and differences :)

On Sergey's points: First of all, I must say that if I could have brought bigger prizes for tournaments, there wouldn't have been such discussions, the whole thing (WCH particularly) would probably work better... but this is not the case, unfortunately :/

As I already said, multi-rounds tournaments are not compatible with longer time controls, and that's a pity. That's why I proposed a 1 round big tourney with a longer time control, but many players seem to be used to the rapid (or even faster) one. Finally, the schedule you propose looks like Garvin's one.


Ian Zimmerman    (2015-11-18 16:59:23)
Feature request

Something still missing on this site, is the ability to sort games by time of last move. This is very useful for players who keeps their own records of games offline, as almost all experienced correspondence players do. All of the following sites have the feature: ICCF, SchemingMind, ChessWorld.

Alternatively, if you want to be innovative, here is something that would do the same job even more efficiently: have an extra flag (call it ACK) stored with each game, and allow filtering by ACK. Display ACK next to each game as a checkbox. Set ACK automatically in one and exactly one situation: when the *opponent* moves.

This way, when I turn on the filter, I can see at a glance all the games where my opponent *just* moved, and I clear ACK by clicking on the checkbox as I update my offline database for each game.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-11-28 21:23:37)
repetition wrong in ficgs

Finally... the bug seems fixed! The game just restarted at the last position.

My sincere apologies for the inconvenience.


Thibault de Vassal    (2015-12-02 02:48:10)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Finally... after a way too long thought on this FICGS cup idea and FICGS wch format, I think that Garvin's idea for this new tournament should be tried.

1) Eros just won the latest WCH with all games drawn again, but not all games in the knockout tournament are draws (e.g. latest candidates final). I think that we must keep this original format because it doesn't exist elsewhere and because it is a real challenge (and it must be possible to beat Eros in 1 game... one day :)) ! Of course, the other reason is that I didn't find any other acceptable way in case of equality.

2) I still think that there are problems in both my cup idea and Garvin's idea in the current context, but this cup will be different enough from the WCH, so the two formats should probably coexist so that each player can choose (or play both).


Garvin Gray    (2015-12-02 09:32:52)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

In regards to point 1) I have never made any comments in regards to any of the other knockout matches other than the final match involving Eros.

I have made no proposals to change the format of those matches.

My only proposal is in regards to Eros's final match.

2) The ficgs world cup concept in my original format- if fully implemented, is in fact, dramatically different from the ficgs wch, and has little similarity to it.

What I could see it do though, if popular, is it might make some of the division groups less enticing to enter.

In my opinion, that would just be site evolution. If the high majority of the site prefer- ficgs wch, ficgs world cup and some of the divisions (or one style of the divisions), then an important discovery has been made that is beneficial to the membership.


Scott Nichols    (2015-12-08 01:22:21)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

The 32 players were fine. Time controls (a little long for my taste, but...) are even OK. I had 2 big beefs with the wch. 1. playing a 1400 that just bought a new comp that NOW plays 2000+. If I beat him--0 rating points, draw--I lose many points, etc. 2. The "seeding" of players is not fair IMO, everybody should start at the start line. then the winner can feel much more proud to repeat as champion. I actually may win an ICCF semi-final (#45349), one more game needs to finish. I was seeded 10th of 11 players when it started. I mention this because in far too many of the Wch games were drawn much too early IMO. In ICCF, at least my tour's, the games were fought much longer, down to less than 10 pieces quite often. I looked at this last one and they are calling it a draw in the middlegame. I ask WHY? Just because it's 0.00 for a while, so what? It's the WORLD CH.! How many chances will a player get the opportunity? Each game should be fought to the death. Eros is very busy and has to be getting on in years, make him WORK for it! Sorry to ramble, just a few thoughts...


Herbert Kruse    (2015-12-14 10:10:03)
TER rating calculation

ok, thats seems not the right thing, but i can postpone the draw, until my rating is lower then


Garvin Gray    (2015-12-14 10:41:45)
TER rating calculation

Herbert, remember, rating is also only calculated at the end of two months based on all the games you have finished in that two month period and is a performance rating of those games.

In fact, from looking at the example given from just this one game, if it was based on just this one game only and using only the ratings at the time of the game, then you would have a rating of 2420 and your opponent would have a rating of 2400, then your rating difference would be larger than the TER of 2400, so in fact by drawing the game, you would lose more than 1 point.

So the TER calculation has helped you, rather than hindered you, in THIS CASE.


Garvin Gray    (2015-12-16 11:39:44)
TER rating calculation

You have now changed the conversation.

Originally it was about ratings and how rating changes are made and why TER and current ratings are used, and I answered part of that conversation, which was not fully explored.

Now you have changed the topic to talking about matches and TER's. That is a different conversation altogether. And then you are debating the format of the ficgs world championship knockout system, which has been debated so often on here.

It is contained in about every tenth thread.

Please choose a topic to discuss. Which is it?


Francois Caire    (2015-12-17 05:12:26)
Thematic tournaments?

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3 e5 4.dxe5 dxe5 5.Qxd8+ Kxd8 6.Bc4 Be6 7.Bxe6 fxe6

1.f4 d5 2.c4!? e5!?


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2016-01-04 22:44:52)
Thematic tournaments?

Any offers for new thematic?
I'd play 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 d6 3.Nc3 e5


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-05 17:51:06)
Thematic tournaments?

I'll try to change the next thematic soon... if players do not register too quickly for another king's gambit :)


Charlie Neil    (2016-01-07 00:21:12)
Thematic tournaments?

You know 1. b4 would be fun. But how about some "madness"? BDG! 1. d4 d5 2. e4
why not?


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-01-07 14:29:37)
Thematic tournaments?

1.b4 e5 2.a3 d5 3.e3 - I suggest this. :D

Positional fun.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-07 19:33:20)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Garvin, we agree on that but I would be surprised if the entry fee would not divide the number of players by a factor of about 2, maybe 3 ... if we have about 70 players in the case without an entry fee, you can imagine the problem with: we would be sometimes able to launch a 1-round tournament (2 RR rounds for from 25 to 32 players would be strange IMO), sometimes not. If we choose no entry fee, the problem is solved, otherwise we must figure out several cases.


Dann Corbit    (2016-01-07 22:20:18)
Thematic tournaments?

May as well advance one full move to get variety. Everyone will respond:
3. .. Nf6
followed by:
4. Bb2

That is quite an interesting opening and much more rarely played than the standard
1. b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 d5


Dann Corbit    (2016-01-07 23:52:11)
Thematic tournaments?

Analysis for BDG:
rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/3p4/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - acd 37; acs 2548; bm dxe4; cce 35; ce 30; id "gentest-5125"; pm dxe4 {2629} e6 {408} c6 {293} Nc6 {16} c5 {16} Nf6 {14} a6 {1} e5 {1}; pv dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 Nge2 h6 Bxf6 exf6 Nxe4 f5 Nd2 Bd6 g3 O-O Bg2 Be6 O-O Nd7 c4 Nf6 Qb3 Rb8 Qc3 Re8 Rfe1 Qd7 Rac1 Rbd8 Nf3 Ne4 Qe3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Ne5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bxa2 Bxe4 fxe4 Qxe4; white_wins 1092; black_wins 1345; draws 800; Opening Blackmar-Diemer Gambit: Fritz Attack. ; CaxtonID: 197 ECO: D00;


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-01-11 23:10:13)
Thematic tournaments?

Yes, it's good idea to add 3... Nf6 and 4.Bb2.

About 1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 ... - I believe that 2.a3 is better choice and that after 2.Bb2 have more problems. It's only an opinion, of course.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-12 18:44:16)
Thematic tournaments?

Before all, let's give a try to François Caire's suggestion: 1.f4 d5 2.c4!? e5!? :)


Alexis Alban    (2016-01-17 15:37:10)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

I disagree with the idea that a champion should have to start over from the beginning each year and have to work his way up to retain the title every year.

I however think that it is wrong for a champion to only need to play one match to defend his title. I think the 2015 champion should have to play in the 2016 quarterfinals and work his way up from there.

If that seems unfair then just make the champion play in the semifinals.


Garvin Gray    (2016-01-17 15:44:55)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Alexis Alban: I apologise if my reply seems a little bit harsh, but are you entering the conversation half way through and have not read the entire thread and preceding discussions?

This thread deals solely with the FICGS World championship and its format, mainly in particular with what happens with drawn matches in the knockout stages.

No one has suggested AT ALL, that the champion has to start again from the beginning (from round one).

That format, what I really wish Thibault would get started on with starting, is from the FICGS world cup, which is a different tournament entirely. It is a completely different structure, with different aims. If you wish to debate that tournament, please move your discussion to that thread.

I am really am trying to work hard to try and prevent thread drift.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-17 23:29:35)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

By the way Alexis, starting from the knockout quarter final is actually starting from the beginning (stage 1 for highest rated players). Anyway starting from the semi final or knockout final has nothing to see with "defending" title as it is now, it's just a completely different scheme.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-19 00:25:30)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Yes, correct. Thanks for this answer!

Isn't it a problem that in a few groups, half players take White one time more than Black? ... and some to have one game/opponent less than in other groups? (by the way, a bit harder to code/launch the games)

These points (equity) were always of first importance to me in all tournaments and I don't remember having seen this elsewhere (but I can be wrong, I'm not used to ICCF tournaments, for example). What do you think? Why is it such a problem for you to wait a few more days to "complete" a waiting list? Please note that I'm not really opposed to this idea, I just want to be sure that not all players disagree with this.


Garvin Gray    (2016-01-19 02:55:13)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

As long as the group sizes are large ie 9 or more players, then I do not think it is a great concern if some of the groups have even numbers.

As we experience in any of the groups, be it world champs, standard games, rapids etc, there is always someone who does not play, so even if every group was 8 groups of 9 players, one group would become distorted and would really be an 8 player group with the inevitable consequence of some players receiving 4W/3B and others 3W/4B.

If the group size is large, 10 to 11 players per group, then the difference between 5W/4B and 4W/5B is not that great, compared to a group of 6 players, where the split is 3W/2B.

With large group sizes in the first stage, this could mean only a few groups (say six groups of 11 or so players), then the second stage could be held as a double round robin which solves all the problems.

This rule is already included in the current FICGS World champs for when groups are six players or less, but is rarely used.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-20 22:07:04)
Emails from FICGS

Please can anyone tell me here if he receives (or not) emails from FICGS since last week?


Stephane Legrand    (2016-01-20 22:09:28)
Emails from FICGS

I receive mails for answers in forum


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-20 22:22:59)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules

Answering Stéphane Legrand's question:


If the 8 games are draw: the highest TER advances in the cases of knockout quarter, semi & final. In the candidates final, it is the player from the knockout tournament who advances.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-01-20 23:29:59)
Emails from FICGS

I have them too.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-01-20 23:30:37)
Emails from FICGS

Answers in forums and game results. (I have unsubscribe from new moves in games.)


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-21 02:34:59)
Emails from FICGS

Okay, here it is:

2 players do not receive emails from FICGS for about 1 week... these 2 players have the same email provider, so obviously and for any reason (?) this provider banned emails either from ficgs.com or (more probably, as it happened already before) from the whole OVH system, which is maybe half the french internet...

I can see only two solutions for these players:

- You may contact your email provider and ask to solve this problem...

- You may use another email provider at least to receive emails from FICGS.


Very sorry, but I can't do anything here.


Alexis Duenas    (2016-01-21 15:45:42)
Emails from FICGS

i do not received emails from ficgs last time i received was before wch started but not now


Alexis Duenas    (2016-01-21 15:53:15)
Emails from FICGS

but i receive every time i register for a tournament and when the tourneys starts


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-21 19:22:32)
Emails from FICGS

Thank you Alexis!


Garvin Gray    (2016-01-23 23:37:06)
Emails from FICGS

I think I might have not received last couple of emails about moves from opponents


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-26 21:19:20)
Emails from FICGS

Is it still the case Garvin?


Garvin Gray    (2016-01-26 23:31:39)
Emails from FICGS

Just got an email for a move.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-01-27 00:38:13)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Ok, I agree with that.

Here is a first try for FICGS cup rules:

"FICGS world cup championship is a multi stages tournament. All players who entered the waiting list are involved in single round-robin tournaments (2 stages or more will probably be necessary). All games during the whole cycle are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Stockfish, Houdini, Rybka...) is allowed and encouraged in cup tournaments. Norms are possible according to FICGS general rules.

Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5 to 33 players (most probably 7 to 13). The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with most wins (and if necessary the player with the lowest tournament entry rating, then the lowest current rating) among the best scores, is declared winner and qualified for the next stage if any. Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. There will be no replacements in these tournaments.

In the case of a withdrawal, the games won't be rated if a player warns the referee before the tournament starts and at most 15 days after a new stage started but the first one."


Anything to add?


Garvin Gray    (2016-01-27 03:38:32)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I think I have a different view on a couple of points, based in part in relation to the feedback I read to comments about TER.

Also, it comes from how I view the structure of the first stage, which is only a few groups and large numbers in each group ie 6 groups of 11 players, rather than 11 groups of 6 players.
========================================

FICGS world cup championship is a two stages tournament. All players who entered the waiting list are involved in single round-robin tournaments.

All games during the whole cycle are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Stockfish, Houdini, Rybka...) is allowed and encouraged in cup tournaments.
Norms are possible according to FICGS general rules.

Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5 to 33 players (most probably 7 to 13). The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. If there is a tie for first place in a group, each player advances to the second stage.
Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. There will be no replacements in these tournaments.

=======================================

Effects- with only a small number of groups, and ties for first progressing, it is possible the second stage final could have 7,8,9 or 13 players. That will be determined.

But what I see is the main factor is that with large groups and ties going through, is all the players know they have to make a decent score to advance from the start. A good TER will not get the job done.

Also, if the scores at the top of a group are close, there is more incentive for players to attempt to get a score from their games as being the only one to advance knocks out everyone else, without any complaints about TER rules.

An entry limit will need to be put on when the final stage is double round robin. If there are six qualifiers to the final stage, then it should be DRR. 7 players in the final would make 12 games. Is that too much?


Roger Llull    (2016-01-28 10:11:23)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I would not like to see groups of fewer than 8 players to remove luck as a factor and to make ties less likely. I would not like to see groups of more than 12 players so they are not overloaded.
Also the tournament should always end in 2 stages so people know it won't be too long, and in case of a tie the winner should be the player with the most wins in the whole tournament.
And one more thing, please implement rules to reduce the number of non players and careless time losses. Like a minimum Elo, a minimum of finished games, and require 2 to 5 E-Points to enter.

Some of this would be valid for the WCH too. For example, stage 2 with only 5 players is ridiculous, because luck can play too big of a role.


Garvin Gray    (2016-01-28 23:12:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Hello Roger and thanks for your reply,

I would not like to see groups of fewer than 8 players to remove luck as a factor and to make ties less likely.

Garvin- Yes, this is something, at least from my point of view, is what I am trying to avoid. It also reduces the impact of any withdrawals in a group.

I would not like to see groups of more than 12 players so they are not overloaded.

Garvin- Unfortunately, Small number of groups, two stages, and if a large number of entries means something needs to give. So it could be the size of the groups. But hopefully they can be kept to a maximum of 11.

Also the tournament should always end in 2 stages so people know it won't be too long, and in case of a tie the winner should be the player with the most wins in the whole tournament.

Garvin- In my suggested version- I covered the two stage part. I take it your second comment refers to what happens if two or more players end up on the same score in the second stage?

Roger- And one more thing, please implement rules to reduce the number of non players and careless time losses. Like a minimum Elo, a minimum of finished games, and require 2 to 5 E-Points to enter.

Garvin- Quite a few of the withdrawals have come from top players in the past. The most important aspect to reduce the non players is to go from announcement, to closing date of entries, to start a quick and orderly process with no delays.

So after the rules have finally been worked out, have quite a period of time of publicity, then two weeks enter and then Thibault has to close entries straight away, get the draw done and games going.

The longer the lag period between announcement, entries opening, entries closing and games starting, the more chance of players 'going walkabout'.

Roger- Some of this would be valid for the WCH too. For example, stage 2 with only 5 players is ridiculous, because luck can play too big of a role.

Garvin- In the current WCH rules, it is already covered that Double round robin can be used if there are 5 players. I have complained previously to Thibault when he has not implemented this rule when put in a five player group.

In my reworded version for this competition, I asked, at what point should the second stage final for minimum qualifiers move from a double round robin to single round robin?
6 players, 7 players? It does seem like 6 players is the correct number. If only six players qualify from the first stage, then the second stage is DRR. If seven or more qualify, then it will be single round robin. Practically, this would most likely mean there were 6 groups, and each player won their group outright. Or 5 groups. And 4 groups were one outright, with the other group having 2 players finishing tied for first and both advancing to the second stage.


Francois Caire    (2016-02-08 02:30:12)
Thematic tournaments?

I must admit I was drunk when I suggested this. Nevertheless, I think this will be fun.


Garvin Gray    (2016-02-09 03:26:24)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

But really overall, I do have to protest, all these discussions I think are having a detrimental effect on the overall tournament.

Most players just want the tournament to begin. Seeing all these extremely small detailed discussions being talked through I know from personal experience irl just drives players away.

The longer they go on for, the more you lose players. This is why I keep saying, get on with it and get the tournament GOING.


Garvin Gray    (2016-02-12 01:21:48)
Thematic tournaments?

I believe there is a bit of discussion in the chat bar about Traxler Counterattack for the next thematic. Is that correct?


George Jempty    (2016-02-12 06:14:07)
Stockfish 7, Komodo 9.2 or 9.3

I use Komodo 9.3 until I get to an ending, then I switch to Stockfish7. Don't know about the others, the only other I would consider is Houdini4, though probably not for correspondence but rather "quick" (30 seconds/move) analysis of complete games, as its supposed to be particularly good at blitz and therefore quickly finding tactics


George Jempty    (2016-02-12 06:16:15)
Thematic tournaments?

I suggest the O'Kelly Sicilian: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 a6


Dann Corbit    (2016-02-12 06:19:46)
Thematic tournaments?

Anand plays O'kelly Sicilian:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1315128


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-02-12 12:21:10)
Thematic tournaments?

Traxler Counterattack was mentioned because I remembered about our (me and Thibault) thematic silver games long time ago.

I don't want to play Traxler CA with Black, probably.


George Jempty    (2016-02-12 13:12:38)
Thematic tournaments?

Actually Anand was White in that O'Kelly game -- Morozevich was Black. And anyway it transposed into a Paulsen by move 6.


Francois Caire    (2016-02-19 21:40:52)
Thematic tournaments?

The theme of tournaments 179 to 183 was the O'Kelly sicilian.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-02-19 23:40:40)
Thematic tournaments?

Let's give a small try to 1.b4 e5 2.a3


George Jempty    (2016-02-20 14:34:47)
Thematic tournaments?

OK I will have to search for those O'Kelly games. 3.d4 is not as bad as everybody thinks, if White follows up 3...cxd4 with 4.Bc4. Probably drawish in correspondence but better for OTB


Wilhelm Schuett    (2016-02-25 03:32:10)
Thematic tournaments?

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3 e5 4.dxe5 dxe5 5.Qxd8+ Kxd8 6.Bc4 Be6 7.Bxe6 fxe6 8.Be3! ;
3. ..c6 means that 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3 is enough.
1.d4 d6 offers much possibilities.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-03-06 23:29:33)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

I usually (when possible) delete entries in waiting lists on demand, if there are epoints involved then it is back on the account. It is well specified though that no refund in money is possible. I don't know what to add here.


Mladen Jankovic    (2016-03-10 00:49:33)
Chess960

Maybe the Chess960 tournaments hiding in the special tournaments section is a problem.


Garvin Gray    (2016-04-01 01:14:32)
Get rid of the new 'advert' button

There has been a new button appear just below the game board, offering suggestions like- would you like to play GM Riccio? Take Back?

I want this removed, or the option to be able to remove it. It is a distraction to the game board, and also the idea that now take backs are allowed is not on.

Get rid of it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-11 19:48:54)
Test

This is a test as it seems there are still problems with accents for the players names.

Ceci est un test : é#"'(-èà@ù


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-11 19:53:28)
Server crash (april 2016)

Hi all, welcome back :)

First of all, my apologies for this new server crash, about 4 years after the previous one...

The Raid 1 technology has its advantages, the 2 hard drives are almost-exact copies from each other, but it also has its difficulties [e.g. the "almost" part] and I just had to learn much about it to try to restore the server as I encountered not 1, not 2 but 3 hardware failures at the same time, added to a 4th hardware failure at home on the FICGS development PC, and of course added my "famous" incredibly bad internet connection. Murphy's law ^^ ... So, both hard drives and a SATA cable have been replaced on the server. Finally, the system had to be reinstalled and I had to upgrade it, which caused many difficulties these last few days. At the end, it was not possible to restore the very last FICGS database, so we lost a few minutes or hours of moves (fortunately it happened early in the morning). But nothing essential was lost at the end.

I'm still not 100% sure (if it's ever possible) that everything will work fine with this upgraded version of PHP & MySQL, obviously there are some problems with accents for players names (will be fixed soon) but let's go for a try. I probably made mistakes during the whole process that finally took 20 days but the good thing is that I should be able to better prevent such failures in the future. Thanks again for your patience!

As I said in the login/messages page, an email has been sent to warn everyone. If you tried to register or to change your password during the last two weeks, it was not taken in account so you'll have to do it again. 20 days (it was not possible to move during this time) have been added to all players expected to move, and 7 more days have been added to all clocks (including players not expected to move, to avoid any surprise in case of real vacation or something).

One more thing: It may be not possible to connect through SSL with https:// anymore in the future, I still don't know how to configure it on this system.


Let's play! :)


Best wishes,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-11 21:24:01)
Bugs after the server crash

This is a discussion to report bugs after the server crash (april 2016)...

There are known minor bugs due to the system upgrade, it will be fixed soon but it's always good to know if there are others. Thanks in advance.


David Fierry Fraillon    (2016-05-11 21:35:58)
Bugs after the server crash

New games times look strange to me :
I guess Thib has put a time increment to avoid the time lost during the server crash.
What i find strange (on my games only of course) :
- a player who it was not the turn to play also get the time increment
- on the tournament FICGS_CLASSE_A_000166 :
the increment seems to be 6-7 days more than it should be
A player who was on vacation get a 7+19 days increment. I think the solution in that case is to increase the number of vacation days instead.

I will check my other tournament and i'll be back


David Fierry Fraillon    (2016-05-11 21:46:12)
Bugs after the server crash

Tournament FICGS_CLASSE_A_000170
- i 'm also finding that strange 7 days increment ina ally my games, for both player

The good news :
-that over day increment seems to be a constant
-no moves lost
-As you said the more than 100 days bug does not exist after playing one move

i played one move : it looks to be a good move :-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-12 01:45:16)
Bugs after the server crash

Yes, unfortunately the emails issue must be solved before :( It could take some time. I'll let you know.

FICGS is now paused again, it is not possible to login for now.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-12 01:47:34)
Server crash (april 2016)

Dear chessfriends, I have to pause the server again to solve the emails issue (otherwise it could have bad consequences in terms of blacklisting).

Unfortunately, this is quite complicate, so it may take several days... I'll give some news here and in the chat bar.

See you soon, thanks again for your patience!


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-25 21:37:17)
FICGS restarts (2016 May 25)

Hi everyone, nice to see you again, I missed our games :)

First of all, my apologies for this too long delay... I went through hell to try to fix these first major issues (emails & database compatibility) that were the consequence of the forced system update that followed the server crash of last month.

Unfortunately, internet protocols & languages are constantly evolving and FICGS is late on these changes. Added to the fact that databases, databases tables, database interface, database calls, PHP language, PHP files, content display, browsers (and I probably forgot ones) communicate with variable charsets, the result is that it is impossible to make FICGS (which uses both UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1 according to the content) compatible with this system change in one shot...

Consequently, it will take a long time to make it right... Feel free to report any bug in the "Bugs after the server crash" discussion in this forum.

Thanks in advance! Have good games ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-25 22:04:14)
Issues with emails after server restart

It is possible that a few players did not receive the email about the announcement of the server restart, and maybe cannot receive any email from FICGS anymore after that the server restarted. That's why I added a few days more to clocks.

A possible issue in this case is that FICGS ip was blacklisted by your email provider because of the period when the server was sending emails not authentified. It seems to work fine with Gmail, Yahoo... but it may be the case with Microsoft emails and a few smaller providers.

In this case, please send an email to info (at) ficgs (dot) com , I'll see how to fix this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-26 01:19:13)
Bugs after the server crash

Hi Sebastian! :)

Ah.... that's... interesting.

Could you copy-paste here a piece of the page and tell me (here or by email) what brower / system you use?

Thanks!


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-26 01:21:30)
Issues with emails after server restart

On the other hand, this system update seems to have fixed older problems with email providers like GMX.


George Jempty    (2016-05-26 07:44:30)
FICGS restarts (2016 May 25)

Regarding ratings, if you get to them around June 1 give or take, maybe you should then update them every two months, but on the even numbered months instead of odd as in the past. Just a thought


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-05-26 21:49:03)
FICGS restarts (2016 May 25)

Thank you very much Herbert & all for the encouragements, it always goes right in the heart and helps me to find solutions, even in desperate situations :)

George, your idea makes sense a lot but such habits are difficult to change, I'm too afraid to forget and make a mistake in the future :/


Francois Caire    (2016-05-27 00:13:25)
Bugs after the server crash

My opponent Sergey Zemlyanov has 6 days on his clock. Didn't everybody get 10 extra days?


Scott Nichols    (2016-05-30 18:44:47)
Bugs after the server crash

I had no chess games going, maybe a good thing, but not really as I plan to get some going. But the poker seems to be working just fine, :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-06-07 21:34:42)
Bugs after the server crash

Chess javascript viewer seems broken (visually).


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-06-08 00:32:04)
Bugs after the server crash

Ah... can you test it with another browser? Which game did you test? (seems ok here)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-06-08 04:50:34)
Bugs after the server crash

Can't reproduce the problem from this computer. It was fallen off lower row of chess board and some more problem with h1 square.

Today at the evening or tomorrow I will return to the computer where that happened and try to get some screenshot and more information.

Everywhere else it works okay. Yay for FICGS, nay for exploring this strange thing/bug. :)


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2016-06-14 10:56:14)
Thematic tournaments?

it's time for new thematic, say, Trompovsky


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-06-15 01:52:14)
Thematic tournaments?

Trompowsky attack, why not... as soon as the current waiting list is full!


Nilson Pereira    (2016-07-02 20:43:19)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP

I do not consider winner if draws in the final of the chess world, there must be one winner even if a match of the final so I think Eros Riccio did not win tournaments on many occasions. If there are draws have to decide on thematic games or chess 960. It would be fair !!


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-07-03 00:12:14)
Rating calculation gain/loss

Hello Aniruddha,

Your current rating and your opponent's TER (Tournament Entry Rating) are taken in account. It's all explained here:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating


George Jempty    (2016-07-27 15:08:22)
when will Stage 2 of WCH start?

You must be talking about 2015? I still have games going in 2016


Jan Ohlin    (2016-08-30 05:24:52)
underpromotion possible?

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=91786
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=91787
...and it look as the problem will occur in more of your games, something need to be done about that.


George Jempty    (2016-09-02 10:21:48)
Player of the Year

I've been thinking it would be interesting to have nominations for a "Player of the Year" that FICGS members could then vote on. Qualifications could be listed in a manner similar to the following:

1) 15 wins, 13 draws and 0 losses since Oct 2015
2) Rating increase of nearly 250 points (1904-2152) during same time period
3) As 1904 player finished tied for second with score of 4/6 in tournament where average rating was 2041
4) Won a standard B tournament with score of 5.5/6 and a performance rating of 2332
5) Guaranteed tie for first place in a standard A tournament (currently tied for first and is playing in the one remaining game in the tourney against someone one point behind)
6) Currently leading stage 1 group of 2016 World Championship with score of 5/5
7) Finished tied for first in Rapid M tournament for which it was necessary to buy a ticket because TER of 2077 being below normal minimum of 2100

Yes I'm bragging on myself more than a little bit, but still I think that the listed qualifications are pretty objective


George Jempty    (2016-09-07 13:58:50)
Player of the Year

Yeah well I'm 2014 USCF which is how I started on FICGS a few years ago but I lost several games on time when I lost interest in chess in general. But regardless if the above is about me or not, it represents a good way to write up the qualifications I think


Peter Brodie    (2016-09-09 09:03:57)
Missing chat

A number of my recent harmless, inoffensive chatty postings in international chat have simply disappeared almost as soon as I posted them..why?


George Jempty    (2016-09-09 17:56:01)
Player of the Year

The game I am the most proud of the past 12 months is http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=89124 a draw against Ortiz in the first tournament mentioned above. I got a poor position with a poor opening and around move 30 was down around 0.6 to 0.7.

I took all 45 days of my vacation before December 31st and devoted almost all my analysis to this one game, with a new 8-core, 32 GB RAM machine, as well as buying Komodo 9.3 (I'm now up to 10.1). Ortiz did not play so accurately and by move 45 the engine evaluated me as completely even in a few lines but they were complicated and I was much lower on time than my opponent.

However I found a forcing line of about a dozen moves that the engine thought was inferior, but I knew was a dead drawn ending: R+2P vs. R+3P all on the same side of the board, with me also having a sufficiently active rook. So I went for this simpler solution which also let me gain time on the clock as I'd analyzed everything out beforehand. Finally after about a dozen moves in the ending Ortiz offered the draw.


George Jempty    (2016-09-12 15:22:36)
Thematic tournaments?

How about the Four Knights Game?


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2016-09-12 23:18:32)
Thematic tournaments?

Yes, 4 Knights or Belgrade Gambit


Peter Brodie    (2016-09-13 01:31:42)
Missing chat

I can understand players deleting their own chat comments but how do they gain access to other player's chat comments and also delete them? It doesn't seem fair if they can do this..Other people should not be able to delete your own comments..what you decide to do with them is your business, no one elses..Also, why should I have to re-post an inoffensive chat message just because some cretin takes a dislike to it? Whers's the justice? This ability to delete other's chat should be gotten rid of...


George Jempty    (2016-09-13 14:41:12)
Missing chat

I once accidentally deleted a comment the first time ever I clicked on the triangle -- I did not realize the purpose was to delete. Rather I thought it would "expand" a chat topic. This was probably close to a year ago. In the meantime yes I primarily delete my own comments. However recently Duenas decided to post comments about an ongoing game of his with Cirulis, which to me just seems inappropriate for chat as there is a message box for each move of a game, as well as private messages. Those comments bumped a bunch of other comments possibly relevant to the whole FICGS community off the front page, so I deleted them.

I'm sorry if you Mr. Brodie if you think this makes me a cretin, but I'm just trying to keep the chat relevant to *everybody* on FICGS, not just two players, and in any case I think you rather over-state your case: "illegal hacking", references to "justice", etc. -- it's just a chat board. In any case what you are suggesting is a "policy" issue, but I think there is a "technical" issue too. And that is, once you click on the triangle you get a popup box with one button (an "alert") instead of two buttons (a "confirm"). A confirm would allow you to undo the delete, for instance if you accidentally clicked the triangle. Thib if you are reading this I am a web developer with nearly 20 years experience and could quite easily implement this, as I know you have a lot of other priorities.


George Jempty    (2016-09-13 14:43:41)
Missing chat

I am wrong, I just tried to delete a comment of my own, and there's a cancel button. I guess if you post to chat you are just at the mercy of community/volunteer administrators -- this is not uncommon on other chat boards. I guess if Thib think's you're doing it too much, he could revoke the deletion ability for individual users.


George Jempty    (2016-09-13 14:48:57)
Missing chat

Maybe I am wrong that I am wrong? I clicked cancel but my own comment still got deleted


Peter Brodie    (2016-09-17 01:34:00)
Missing chat

Thanks Thibault..I'm coming to the ccnclusion that your way was right, after all..Players do need to be able to delete any abusive chat as soon as it appears, whether themselves if they are abused directly and are there to see it at that moment or others deleting in their place simply because abuse of any kind is not tolerated..This procedure does lead to some simply deciding what is relevant and useful chat and what isn't and thereby often messing up a chat thread..so arbitrary deletions should be frowned on and anyone who keeps deleting any chat at their whim should, perhaps, be barred from chat for, say, a month, until they learn some manners and proper chat etiquette..also, anyone who engages in mass deleting because they like causing chaos should get two warnings, then be barred for good if they persist..They shoud also be named..anyone who engages in abusive chat should get also two warnings, then they will be barred from chat forever..How's this for a settlement of tbe situation?


George Jempty    (2016-09-19 22:22:05)
Missing chat

I think the first thing that needs to be fixed from a technical perspective is that, when trying to cancel a deletion, it still performs the deletion of the comment. I'm a web developer and know that this should be a pretty easy fix. Otherwise I think the suggestions of somebody who themselves were abusive in chat should be taken with a grain of salt.


George Jempty    (2016-09-20 09:06:10)
Missing chat

Well that's as close to an admission you've made, laced with abuse as it is. I didn't abuse anyone except maybe to call you a troll though maybe I did abuse the system. I thought we'd come to some agreement when I came up with the idea of a system where it took two people to delete a chat message and you said "good idea", but then when a bunch of messages subsequently got deleted, you went on to falsely accuse me. Thib could put this all to rest by telling us who deleted the messages on that particular day, but it wasn't me. Could we just agree to a cease fire in the meantime?


George Jempty    (2016-09-20 09:25:24)
Missing chat

Thib could you at least acknowledge that on 9/13 the day in question I was *NOT* the one who deleted probably a dozen or more chat messages


George Jempty    (2016-09-20 15:46:07)
Failed to receive email

I failed to receive an email for Sorbi's 25th move in the following game: http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=move_express&game=93675

Thought I should report it in case it's an issue for anybody else


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-09-21 00:12:50)
Failed to receive email

Sometimes an email can reach its destination after a while... Feel free to tell if it finally arrives. Thanks!


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-09-21 01:55:00)
Failed to receive email

That's right... There's a new emails issue but I have no news from my server provider about this (which is unusual), I'll have to wait a few hours before to go further.


Peter W. Anderson    (2016-09-21 08:59:06)
Failed to receive email

It has been like this for quite a few days now.

I did report it in the chat window but (dare I say it?)someone deleted my post, presumably before you read it Thib. lol


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-09-23 01:30:22)
Failed to receive email

If everything goes right, it should be ok tomorrow evening... Hopefully.


George Jempty    (2016-09-30 19:48:14)
Missing chat

I like Scott's suggestion of 140 characters in the chat


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2016-11-01 11:53:06)
Thematic tournaments?

It's time for new thematic, say, Belgrade Gambit in 4-Knights


Herbert Kruse    (2016-11-06 17:46:15)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP

All tournaments should start on November 1st, 2016. Next rounds of previous cycles will start as soon as possible after this date.

ok then, lets start


Nelson Bernal Varela    (2016-11-07 05:23:32)
Poker Poll

Poll: It could Nichols to be # 1 in Poker or Bernal reach the 2400 elo in poker?

Make your bets gentlemen, place your bets


Scott Nichols    (2016-11-07 18:36:23)
Poker Poll

The problem with this system is that if someone KNOWS when they call a bet, they will win that game. Some players then BANK that game for later when they need some quick rating points. The same goes for a loss, WAIT till you can easily afford to lose a few points without to much damage. THEN call, :/


Scott Nichols    (2016-11-07 21:57:16)
Poker Poll

My idea was just a heads up match between 2 players who both feel they are the best:) No ratings, no money, everything just stays the same. The reason I offer this is because I'm 99% mathematically sure with this rating system, reaching 2400 would be next to impossible with everyone so much lower rated.

On the other hand, all I have to do is win a dozen or so games quickly and there it is. I feel it is an unfair advantage to me.


Scott Nichols    (2016-11-11 14:01:20)
Do the cards matter?

Dear Yeturu Aahlad, I have thought long about your inquiry. This is the best scenario I can come up with.

You are at a 9 player real money game. You know all the players. You all have decided to see who is the best.

You have been playing for many, many hours. All that is left is you and Him. Lets call him Eros. Last hand.

You are dealt pocket Black Aces. Eros acts first and checks. You feel you can just take the ante's now and move on, but you decide to slow play them and just call. The flop is 3clubs, 6hearts and Qhearts. Again Eros checks and you decide to bet a little again and he calls.

Now through all the hours of playing, you have gotten to know each other well. He is the type who talks and laughs, makes fun of people, belittles them and acts in a generally arrogant manner. (We all know the type). The KEY is to study all of this and, this is maybe the most important, study his microexpressions. Some people call them tells. But most all pros know how not to give away tells. But I have learned that microexpressions are involuntary. Let's get back to the hand.

The "turn" is a Jspades. He decides to bet, a good bet and of course you call. (slow playing). Now comes the moment of truth, "the river". It is an Ace of hearts. You are thrilled, and your face gives the microexpression for a tenth of a second. You now have 3 Aces, but there is 3 hearts on the board.

All of the sudden, Eros goes all in and walks away from the table. In my experience, the odds of him having 2 hearts in the hole is 23/1. HERE is the point if the cards matter. You can beat anything except a Heart flush. And the odds of him having that are 23/1. This is a real money, no limit game. If you call and lose, you lose 90% of all you hold near and dear.

WHAT DO YOU DO?


Scott Nichols    (2016-11-11 21:07:34)
Do the cards matter?

The way I came up with the cards don't matter theory was watching a World Series of Poker heads up match between two of the players who came up the hard way and fought their way to the highest echelon of poker pro's.

They got dealt a hand, I don't remember the cards except they were shit cards that anybody would just throw in.

The host commenting on the match was a multi-time world champion. <br
To everyone's surprise, the first player bet big on his lousy cards. Of course, I and I am sure, everybody else thought player 2 would just throw in his lousy hand and go on to the next one. But noooo, he took his time, a long time, and re-raised. This went on and I can't even remember who actually won the hand, but the host said, "when you get to this level, the cards don't matter." That enlightened me in a profound way i had never thought of before.


Francois Caire    (2016-11-12 16:48:17)
Stockfish fixes memory leak in Syzygy

I tested it and after a 24 hour analysis in an endgame position, stockfish was using only 2.6 Gb of ram with 2Gb hash size.

http://abrok.eu/stockfish/

Author: Marco Costalba
Date: Sat Nov 5 07:55:08 2016 +0100
Timestamp: 1478328908

Rewrite syzygy in C++

Rewrite the code in SF style, simplify and
document it.

Code is now much clear and bug free (no mem-leaks and
other small issues) and is also smaller (more than
600 lines of code removed).

All the code has been rewritten but root_probe() and
root_probe_wdl() that are completely misplaced and should
be retired altogheter. For now just leave them in the
original version.

Code is fully and deeply tested for equivalency both in
functionality and in speed with hundreds of games and
test positions and is guaranteed to be 100% equivalent
to the original.

Tested with tb_dbg branch for functional equivalency on
more than 12M positions.

stockfish.exe bench 128 1 16 syzygy.epd

Position: 2016/2016
Total 12121156 Hits 0 hit rate (%) 0
Total time (ms) : 4417851
Nodes searched : 1100151204
Nodes/second : 249024

Tested with 5,000 games match against master, 1 Thread,
128 MB Hash each, tc 40+0.4, which is almost equivalent
to LTC in Fishtest on this machine. 3-, 4- and 5-men syzygy
bases on SSD, 12-moves opening book to emphasize mid- and endgame.

Score of SF-SyzygyC++ vs SF-Master: 633 - 617 - 3750 [0.502] 5000
ELO difference: 1

No functional change.


Garvin Gray    (2016-11-17 07:36:41)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

With ficgs now back up and running and seemingly most of the back end issues sorted out, I am now bringing up the topic of the FICGS World Cup and when will it start.

We had a format, a concept and almost a start date, then the whole site collapsed.

With now that WCH has started, the very first Ficgs World Cup could start in early January, with possible plans to hold one every six months (rough schedule).


Herbert Kruse    (2016-11-30 11:11:02)
Future penalties for games lost on time

if you ban every player who loses on time, there will be less and less players here, but i want ficgs to have a big number of members


Garvin Gray    (2016-11-30 11:16:28)
Future penalties for games lost on time

Since I have referred to the ICCF policies on the matters of players losing on time, I should directly quote their policy:

It is under section 5 of Code of Conduct:

Types of disciplinary action available are as follows:
(i) Formal Written Warning – for breaches in behaviour incompatible with ICCF statutes, principles, or rules. Continuing or repeated misbehaviour will result in (ii) being implemented
(ii) Disciplinary Action with Penalty/Sanctions – for serious or recurring breaches in behaviour
incompatible with ICCF statutes, principles, and/or rules. Immediate penalties/sanctions should be imposed, the degree of which should be related to the severity of the misdemeanour.
The following scale of penalties/sanctions should be used:
(a) A serious behavioural issue, e.g. silent/unacceptable withdrawal from a tournament, unacceptable, or abusive behaviour to players/officials/ICCF as a first offence – ban from all international CC tournaments and activities for a period of 2 years, from the date of decision.
(b) A repeated serious behavioural issue, e.g., repeated silent/ unacceptable withdrawal from a tournament, repeated abusive behaviour to players/officials/ICCF – ban from all international CC tournaments and activities for a period of 5 years, from the date of the latest decision.
(c) Outrageous behaviour or further repeated behavioural issue, e.g., theft, belligerent action towards ICCF or any of its officials, assault, etc. – ban from all international CC tournaments and activities for life duration. Appeal for remission of sentence is available after 10 years.
(d) Extremely slow play in a clearly lost position is not proper behaviour in CC play, and is subject to a warning from the TD, and will result in disciplinary action if it continues or is repeated in other games.
When dealing with disciplinary matters and considering penalties/sanctions, care should be taken to ensure consistency and those penalties are commensurate with the “crime†committed.
In all cases of disciplinary action, an individual has a basic right to express his/her case, with reasoning, before a decision is taken by an official/tournament director or tournament office, etc.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2016-11-30 11:48:21)
Future penalties for games lost on time

For defence of Duttagupta:

He has finished all five games in the tournament and lost only two on the time.

I have played 20 games with him and everything was okay (despite him losing 10 games), also.

So I have all reasons to believe that he has some IRL problems.


Garvin Gray    (2016-11-30 14:04:30)
Future penalties for games lost on time

Ilmars, did you actually bother to read the ICCF sections I quoted? Or did you just say, I am against any penalties as a blanket statement and stuff the rest?

If you had read the ICCF rules, in all cases of disciplinary action, an individual has a basic right to express his/her case, with reasoning, before a decision is taken by an official/tournament director or tournament office, etc.

So any player in 'question' would be given the opportunity to answer why they lost their games on time and it would be up to the Tournament Committee, or Thibault alone to decide on what action to take.

And I do not believe it is appropriate to discuss individual players when discussing this rule. If we start mentioning individual players, then the potential for a lot of hurt feelings, defamation and arguments can ensue.

People will just start going through everyone's records who might be a 'suspect'. That serves no purpose except to upset everyone.

The topic is a simple one. At least it is to me.

Peter Anderson defined the issue well.


David Fierry Fraillon    (2016-12-03 09:12:28)
Future penalties for games lost on time

Well .... how long takes a referee decision ?
If it is less than a few days it could be better than using banishement.
You may just have to fix the level of difference in rules : + 10 .... +15 ....Just have to keep in mind that in our game an oponent mistakes can happen


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-12-03 21:15:23)
Future penalties for games lost on time

According to the rule in such cases, there must be an adjudication 30 days at most after the first call to the referee. I must say that it is very rare that I have to act after this period (actually, when a player calls the referee, his opponent usually resigns a few hours/days after that, which is a good sign that this system works well IMO).


George Jempty    (2016-12-23 13:06:42)
Thematic tournaments?

Belgrade Gambit is good. The only reason I would have preferred the Four Knights proper is to try 4...h6!?


Thibault de Vassal    (2016-12-14 20:13:25)
Netiquette

About Netiquette

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-11 15:28:01)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases

Hi all,

Just a reminder about reasons why some games may be not adjudicated even when the result is announced thanks to 7 pieces (or 6 pieces, 5 pieces...) tablebases:

- FICGS chess rules are slightly different from FIDE rules (no 50 moves rule), so an announced draw may not be a draw here.
- According to the rules, any player (who may not use engines or tablebases) has the right to see the game going until a "quite" clear position.

But any player who estimates that the result of the game is known can call the referee to shorten the game.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-11 15:38:14)
Defeating Draw Death

The wild 6 first moves idea should be possible with thematic tournaments... Maybe the f7 pawn is possible this way as well. Why not... Scott's 2nd idea reminds me the silver thematic chess (now Traxler).

Jan, I did not miss your ideas in the chat on wins / draws... It may be very interesting and funny to try but it changes really everything, the game is not the same according to me, and the code should be rewritten in good part. And well, isn't it a question of taste before everything? As for me, I'm quite sure I would play it like atomic chess, then would come back to the original game.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-18 03:32:56)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Finally, here is a new interview with FICGS correspondence chess champion GM Eros Riccio, who gives us his (surprising?) impressions on his latest win in the championship, his current match and correspondence chess nowadays... A good matter to think about!

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000012

____________

- Hi again Eros... Once more, congratulations for winning this final match in the 12th FICGS correspondence chess championship. This time, it seems that things went quite differently than in your previous matches (you scored 9 out of 12, which is a huge performance at this level), could you tell us what happened in these games?

--> Hi, yes, finally we have seen some wins after a very long series of draws. I was surprised too, I didn't risk to lose any game and I could even win one as Black... What to say, my opponent was simply not as challenging as the previous ones.

- It's a long time since you won the previous match, would you like to tell us about your other results this year, particularly at ICCF where you now rank #9 with an outstanding 2643 rating?

--> My latest final on FICGS were my only games of 2016. On ICCF I have taken some rest, the too high draw rate didn't incentive me to start new tournaments, also because drawing all games with a high rating means losing points.

- In the next final match (13th cycle), you play Peter W. Anderson for the 3rd time... so you probably know each other's opening book quite well. What do you expect for in this match?

--> Anderson is a very tough opponent, it's not a coincidence that he reached the final for the third time. I tried to win at least one game as White, but he's incredibly hard to beat. I experimented with almost anything possible against his modern defence, but I could never find a single weakness in his repertoire. I will see what to invent this time against his terrific 1...g6.

- As you probably know, another Go champion (Lee Sedol) lost a 5-games match to AlphaGo this year, while chess engines (now Stockfish 8, Houdini 5 Komodo 10...) slowly but surely continue to improve... Still waiting for the quantum computers. How do you feel things should go in the next years? Did your way of playing advanced chess or correspondence chess change these last years?

--> I have said a lot already about the very high draw rate of the recent years... I am surprised that some changes haven't been done already, like switching to chess 960, even modifying some chess rules, or at least giving 1,5 points for one win. Otherwise a lot of players will lose interest in seeing a series of all draws in the tournaments they play. I am one of those players who lost interest in correspondence chess, and even in blitz chess, engine vs engine, as we can see the extremely high draw rate situation there too.

- Finally, what can we wish for you for the next year? :)

--> Wish me to lose the match with Anderson :-) even I got bored of seeing myself there over and over in the final! That will bring some new air and that way I can take some total rest in corr. chess.

- Many thanks for your time, have a great match!

--> Welcome, and thanks.


Roger Llull    (2017-01-18 04:33:20)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

I have an idea. Make it more of an spectator sport like engine vs engine is, by letting people offer Epoints to the winners of thematic tournaments in the openings they choose. Let others interested in the same opening add to those Epoints and discuss changes in time controls, starting position and Elo limit. Those studying openings can this way effectively pay for great line analysis, and if this is done well and takes traction, it could even be a source of income for the best players.


Scott Nichols    (2017-01-18 19:44:24)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

I too am bored with CC. IDK what to do either, maybe change scoring system--.9 for white win, 1.1 for black win, same with draws, 5.5 & 4.5 or something...


Jan Ohlin    (2017-01-18 20:28:39)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Is there a need to distinguish between black and white? When you win a game in CC it depends first and foremost on blunders, weak play or finally you playing a position where the computer takes long time to come up with something sensible, for example in closed variation in spanish (C97, 12. d5) and therefore best player will win. Ok, winning as black requires a lot of energy for study theory, but ...?


George Jempty    (2017-01-19 00:02:36)
Defeating Draw Death

Make draws with White only count 0.4 but draws with Black count 0.6


George Jempty    (2017-01-19 01:12:18)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

I like your idea Scott I just posted something similar in your other thread


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-19 13:16:24)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Maybe a thematic match with some risky opening in the same match for elite players?


George Jempty    (2017-01-19 20:19:53)
Defeating Draw Death

I don't understand the reasoning. If White is only going to score 0.4 for a draw, it behooves him to play more riskily for the win and a full point.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-19 21:33:23)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Hmm... I didn't think about a FULL THEMATIC CHAMPIONSHIP before, that's an interesting idea from Pablo IMO (that would invite us to play -still classical chess- romantic style chess).

And last but not least, it would be possible here (while solutions with fractions of points are much more complicated to code & organize).


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-19 22:10:29)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

... in another hand, it doesn't fit the ELO system like it is now. It would be another "chess" already.


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-19 22:22:11)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Not necessarily, as I said the thematic would be the final test to test that the best corr player is the most complete one, but the qualification would still be by free chess where you need to be at least 2300 level in this site.


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-19 22:38:48)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

And it could be the occasion for Thibault to see own Black would do at elite level in the line e4 Nh6 d4 Ng8 (not sure of the moves exactly but Thibault invented a thematic in this one where the Black side is rewarded for a draw)


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-19 23:40:00)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

:) Yes... I understand the idea, but it should be unrated IMO, just like thematic tournaments.


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-19 23:45:28)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Why unrated? The rating would add a real motivation, if you see, there is probably rarely any good game on thematic tournament in this tournament because either a too high level difference or maybe because the unrated game don't gives enough motivations ("no problem if I lose or if I lose interest, it doesn't count")...


Roger Llull    (2017-01-20 17:29:03)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

No, you can't mix thematic Elo with classic Elo because you are more likely to lose as black in thematic chess. What you can do is to create a separate Elo for thematic chess. Also I don't think it's good to mix thematic and classic in a championship. I stand by my suggestion to create a system to allow site users to "create" thematic tournaments using our Epoints.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-20 17:31:22)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Poll! :)

According to you, what are the most interesting chess thematics that are the less drawish (with the lowest chances of draw)...

Of course, this is in the idea of a possible future championship that would keep the historical part of chess & chess openings (chess 960 is another game IMO). But this is only an option for now.

As for me, I'll start with King's gambit, that is not only chess, but (IMHO) the most romantic & beautiful part of chess...

Your opinion?


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-20 18:05:27)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Why would a thematic disfavour Black? That's not logical, it just depends of the thematic! If we take the King's gambit accepred as example, Black is not worse and may be the opposite! Even if you lose as Black because of the thematuc, you have chance to win the game where you have White against it... At least the idea would be interesting to play very interesting lines and games that fear does not allow in normal time and to contribue to chess theory in wild opening.


Roger Llull    (2017-01-20 19:00:04)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

My point is that your chances are not the same, so Elo mixing is not appropriate. And you can't count on your game with the opposite color because it may be against a different oponent depending on the tournament format.

We have separate Elo for freestyle, so what's the problem with having separate Elo for thematic?


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-20 19:20:36)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Llull this is why I have said this would be only for the wch final 1vs1 while tournaments must remain free chess to be fair. Thematic on 1v1 with reverse color is fair and I believe the elo could be the normal one.


Jan Ohlin    (2017-01-20 19:46:00)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Benoni without 7.f4, Kingsindian (especially variations where both players attacking on different wings (computers are not so good at calculating when all pieces are behind pawns), Spanish with d5 closing center. 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 3.b4 and 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 e6 5.g3


Jan Ohlin    (2017-01-20 19:52:35)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

If enough of games is thematic then elo could be the normal one, yes. The opportunity for winning games equalizes the drawbacks of computer related chess


Roger Llull    (2017-01-20 21:29:00)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Pablo, changes to the WCH wouldn't make a difference for many years because the rules of each running event can't be changed now without sacrificing site credibility.

But I don't think this is about fixing the WCH final. This is about getting rid of the big frustration that represents the almost total impossibility of winning at the top level.

You can't mix thematic and classic CC Elos for the same reason you can't mix the Elo of classic time controls and the Elo of bullet time controls.

Thibault has an opportunity to bring new life to correspondence chess, but we need to see things from a different perspective. Let's make the most of what's already in place, -like Epoints- and introduce ways to add and influence new events even before they start. Because connecting with others and participating in more ways would bring new interest and benefit a lot more people than tring to fix what's already perfect -sort of- but stale.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-20 22:22:36)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess

Herbert is probably right...

But well, as we'll have a CUP championship soon, all games could be played on King's gambit for example (or another thematic - see the other thread)


Roger Llull    (2017-01-21 06:23:47)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

This Russian line:
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nxe4 4.Nc3 Nxc3 5.dxc3 f6 6.Nh4 g6 7.f4 Qe7 8.f5 c6
It's incredibly sharp. I'd tell my experience with it, and what makes it so unique, but I don't wanna give hints on how to play it, in case it's selected. Suffice it to say that engines do get it wrong.


Jan Ohlin    (2017-01-21 07:41:13)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Gaw Paw-variation 1.e4 c5 2.Sf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Sxd4 Sf6 5.Sc3 Db6.
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Nf6 3.e5 Nh5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Defense,_North_Sea_Variation


Scott Nichols    (2017-01-21 14:55:01)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

King's Gambit gets my vote, :)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-01-21 14:55:42)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

+1 for King Gambit
(it's time to analyze it to the end :P)


Guillermo Munoz Portugal    (2017-01-21 23:01:56)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

King´s Indian, The Russian Line of above, King Gambit. King Gambit gets my vote.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-22 03:11:36)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

As you can see, earlier was probably too early...

Garvin & all who participated into this discussion, what do you think about making the Cup tournament a thematic chess (e.g. King's gambit) championship?


Garvin Gray    (2017-01-22 10:00:16)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Absolutely bloody not. There has already been a long discussion and a lot of work put into getting a somewhat agreed format.

Thibault, this is exactly what I expected you to do with this ficgs world cup, try and renege on the agreement at the last minute and attempt to change the format.

And with this concept of some kind of thematic championship, no one is going to agree on which opening to play.

We have an agreed format for the ficgs world cup and all you have to do is open the entry list for it, which starts February 1st for play beginning March 1st.

You renege from this and I will almost certainly walk from this site.


Roger Llull    (2017-01-22 12:55:21)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I'd prefer to have something different created from the ground up with mainly top players in mind, where the draw problem really is. But top players' time is precious, that's why I proposed bigger prices sponsored by people who are interested in specific openings.

This cup seems especially favorable for intermediate players, and the chance to score a few draws against higher rated ones may actually be a good thing that would be lost with complicated openings.


Jan Ohlin    (2017-01-22 15:07:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

FICGS WM will be matches where half of the games is different thematic, every player choice two, and the Cup will be really many games with short time, awoiding draws that way? Is this the discussion!?


Herbert Kruse    (2017-01-22 18:18:32)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Czech Benoni is long and not drawish
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-22 18:46:13)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

This Benoni is probably an interesting choice. After all, maybe we can change from time to time... Maybe even that the thematic should remain a secret before the tournament starts ^^ But it may be less "prestigious" than King's gambit.


Pablo Schmid    (2017-01-22 20:29:46)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

King's gambit accepted. Probably most of White's gambit too, Schara-Hennig gambit as Black.


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-11-23 20:17:39)
I did not win a game since 3 years

The problem with the starting positions in FICGS thematic tournaments, one of the player can open the position and it will be draw. Some years ago, someone show me a youtube video about a game played on TCEC between leela chess zero and Stockfish.
https://tcec-chess.com/#div=sf&game=61&season=15
The engines start to play at move 7, white had more space and black can't open the position


Scott Nichols    (2017-01-23 17:11:33)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Kruse's line also good for me...


Garvin Gray    (2017-01-23 17:12:46)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

If the WCH format changes, and becomes something like this, or incorporates elements of the current FICGS World Cup two stage format, then of course a different concept for the world cup 'could/should' be considered.

That being said, if the Ficgs WCH format changed to something similar to the current ficgs world cup, especially if it involved a final stage being a round robin of some number of players, then it would start to look like the format that is used at ICCF.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-24 02:39:37)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I started to change the waiting lists page... Most probably, the WCH will not change (for the moment at least), the CUP waiting list will be open next week (rules page should be visible tomorrow), and possibly a "KING supertournament" thematic event may happen from time to time (later) with rules still to be defined (later)... To be continued.


Garvin Gray    (2017-01-25 09:18:35)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I have read the formatted rules. The only difference between what is in this thread and what is in the entry conditions is how ties for first will be broken.

If you read back through this thread, I said:

Garvin- For the second stage (finals)= I know this might be a bit controversial, but I think the TER rule should be dropped and those who tie for first should progress. Since we have seven groups (this was based on this discussion at the time- Garvin insert 25/1/17), that should mean at the most eleven players in the final.

This will have the by-product in the round robin games of everyone knowing that if they can finish outright first, they knockout everyone from their group immediately.

--------------------

And we continued discussing the rules and it was agreed to remove the TER and other 'tie' rules have those who finish equal first all progress.

So that rule needs to be changed.

As quite a few of the entrants will not have seen this thread, or any of the other discussions, perhaps a slight explanation for round one of how this event is different to the FICGS world champs would be helpful to 'sell' the event.

As in. For the FICGS World Chess Cup, The Highest Rated Player will be seed 1 and placed in Group A, Second Highest Rated Player will be seed 2 and placed in Group B and so forth for seed 3, seed 4 etc till all players have been allocated to their respective groups.

All players start from the first round and there is no knockout stage.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-01-25 15:30:58)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases

And if I remember well, we agreeded that a player can claim an adjudication in this case, but the adjudication will be effective 30 days after the 2nd claim if needed (at least because all players do not use engines or tablebases websites and can be interested in playing it). That's specified in the rules.


Garvin Gray    (2017-01-26 02:30:15)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Before I first proposed abolishing the first place tie break rules, I went through a lot of the stage 1 WCH groups and checked how many ties there had been for first, and especially looked for multiple ties.

There were very few indeed.

The odds of three or four players finishing on the same score, when the group size is likely to be 9 or 11 players and the ratings of the players will be from 2300 to 1200 is extremely low.

Hence why I proposed the removal of the rule in the first place.

The rules are accurate now.

As to when to open the waiting list- I have also commented in this thread that having the waiting list open for too long will increase the number of forfeits when play begins.


Garvin Gray    (2017-01-26 11:37:58)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

1) Being a new event, an email should be sent to all members explaining this event and that it is a main championship event. And that entries will open Wednesday 8th February.

2) Entries open Wednesday 8th February and close Wednesday 1st March. That gives everyone three weeks to enter.

3) Entries close Wednesday 1st March. The event needs to start straight after this date.

I am aware that you need to update ratings, work out the groups, load everything into the server to get the event started, so there is a lag time after March 1st.


Pablo Schmid    (2017-02-04 12:48:35)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

The Frankenstein-Dracula Variation in the Vienna game :)


Peter W. Anderson    (2017-04-19 08:46:20)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

One possibility would be to take a selection of openings from the last TCEC final. These were deliberately unbalanced to reduce the drawing chances. They were a superb set of openings. To make it fair people would have to play both sides of an opening.

I could also provide you with some hard to hold positions from the modern defence (I won't be playing, so there will no unfair advantage).

Re the previous suggestions:
- benoni with early Bf4 is a good choice
- czech benoni is definitely overscored by engines but will be a tough hold nonethless; I would watch these games with interest
- Hennig Schara is great fun and I have never lost with it on FICGS, but it really is awful if white plays the best line (but I am not going to say what that is!).
- KID would depend on which line was chosen; some lines have been analysed almost to death, others have plenty of scope left.

One other possibility - a Breyer Lopez. Quite a tough hold IMO and therefore a good choice if everyone plays both sides.


Peter W. Anderson    (2017-04-19 13:42:06)
WCh and other ramblings

Congratulations to Eros for retaining his FICGS world title again. A casual glance at our 36 games might give the impression that I did not put him under much pressure apart from in game 95512. Actually it is more a case of him making it look easy. He generally plays extremely accurately in the opening and avoids deeply hidden pitfalls in the middle game – I always get the feeling that I am playing someone who understands the game well rather than someone purely reliant on engines.

I have decided to give up playing normal correspondence chess. Engines have simply become too strong and the amount of human input into my games has decreased over time. Human input remains (games 95516, 95512, 93727/87343 being good examples), but there is far too much hard work with engines these days for my liking. I am sure a GM would add a lot more value but I am a mere mortal! I will probably play some big chess instead. I tried this a couple of times and really enjoyed it. I just hope nobody writes an engine for it.

With regards to the format of the world championship, we need to recognise that with engines getting stronger the draw odds is a bigger and bigger advantage for the champion. Despite that I personally think the current format is fine. I generated a significant advantage in 2 games – in addition to game 95512, I believe game 87337 offered real chances if I had not forgotten to play 25.Nb4 as intended (I could barely look at a chess board for a month after screwing that game up, but that is another story). If people keep trying they may eventually beat Eros. The bigger issue to my mind is Eros’s own statement of boredom with defending the championship. So time for a change when the current cycles are finished?


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-04-21 22:54:00)
WCh and other ramblings

Thanks for these words & analysis Peter! Yes, I don't know yet if Eros will fight one more time to retain the title but obviously he did it very well during these last years... the strongest engine alone would certainly not have been able to achieve this. Anyway, Herbert (& others) looks like to be ready for the challenge and this could be very interesting to see such a match! Well, let's see how this tough candidates final with Pablo finishes before :)

Well, the cup format was a first step towards a championship with more chances for everyone... the future "King's supertournament" will be another one with a thematic bigger round-robin that should definitely avoid the drawish problem & a new attempt to give sense to correspondence chess. To be continued...


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-04-23 13:52:47)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

What about 1.g4? (At the moment I believe that white loses.)


Pablo Schmid    (2017-04-23 14:10:27)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

1.g4 is ugly and not theoretically important. An interesting but quite rare in practice but important theoretically would be preferable in my opinion.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-04-23 14:19:14)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

The Frankenstein-Dracula, then. :)


Pablo Schmid    (2017-04-23 14:27:11)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Yes I have proposed it in the forum as one of the interesting line!


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-04-23 15:11:50)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw

Pablo said it all...

Thanks for these advices Peter! To be more accurate, we may discuss the full lines added to the opening names from now... One move can change everything :)

I'm particularly interested in important King's gambit lines for this first edition. The maddest, shortest, non-linear line from engines point of view but still theorical may be the best :-) (yes, not so easy to find) Maybe one with the queen to be trapped, that produced numerous incredible games...


Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman    (2017-05-07 01:42:15)
adjudication of FICGS Games

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications+


Garvin Gray    (2017-07-02 03:00:38)
WCH_GROUP_02__17 round 2

When is round 2 for the those who made it out of round 1 from WCH 17 stage 1 starting?

All the first round games seemed to have finished.


Garvin Gray    (2017-07-02 04:33:16)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

I have wondered for a long while whether:

1) The 2300 rated players or higher who started on this site, were not really 2300 in comparison to quite a few 2200 or so players
2) That deflation in the rating system at the top end has occurred in the system over time


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2017-07-03 22:02:59)
My new match with GM Eros Riccio

Hi all! I just transfer 100 euros to the site in hope to play with GM Eros Riccio in Standart Tournament with 100 e-points as entry fee. I know him as one of the strongest corrchess players of the world, but I'll try to survive in two games. And I'm not going to purposely shut out the game.


Steven DuCharme    (2017-05-30 13:18:24)
Most Embarrassing Loss Ever...

White(me)g3 h3 Rb4 Rd4 Qb8 Kg4 Black g5 h6 Qa5 Kf6 Last move of game was B8(Q).

Resignation immediately followed. Ego crushing for me and a lesson for all.


Daniel Parmet    (2017-07-05 21:00:10)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

It doesn't help that there are so many massively underrated players. I haven't played here in 4 years. My rating here is 2135 while I am 2379 on ICCF.

I will imminently draw an 1852 rated player here which seems like a big upset and my rating will take a big hit. But on ICCF this IM player is 2352. I would lose about 1 rating point. So here I out rate him by 283 points while on ICCF I outrate him by 27 points.


Jose Carrizo    (2017-07-31 16:58:57)
Most Embarrassing Loss Ever...

:-(


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-08-06 17:36:46)
When chess is just beauty

I just lost my chess master.

François Melison was a great friend to me, and a very special chess player as all who played him over the board know.

Actually he was the only one I never saw playing to win, even during a rated tournament (his performances were always 200 or 300 points below his level, often losing on time in winning positions - even when having the time to win, even against fide masters).

It seems to me that his deep motivation was to understand, to touch the beauty and nature of the game... that changed my vision of chess but not only, most probably, even if I was never close to approach his talent and vision of the board. He played correspondence chess when real mail was used, when it was a very special thing compared to this strange time dominated by computers. He was able to play blindfold of course, and some simultaneous games are great memories for a few of his chess friends.

He just played for the beauty of chess, or maybe he played for the beauty only.

He was 54 only. I'll miss him.

Condolences from all his friends at ESIGETEL go to his family.


Marek Trokenheim    (2017-08-15 09:48:32)
contact other member

How do I contact some other member here privately?


Daniel Parmet    (2017-08-15 19:08:08)
contact other member

If you click my messages on the top left, scroll to the bottom, you will see Last Name, First Name or ID. Then you fill that out to send that person a message.


Marek Trokenheim    (2017-08-16 12:10:16)
contact other member

Daniel Palmer, thank you very much! I found it and I used it already :)


Herbert Kruse    (2017-09-07 11:47:10)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

the problem is, that computer helps any player and so its slowly doing down

so in consequence not playing holds your rating high

but there should be a strong motivation for playing


Paul Larwinski    (2017-09-21 18:03:53)
WCh and other ramblings

and it looks like the wch match between them 2 are all games draw, the opinion of Stockfish engine now . still 4 games running


Herbert Kruse    (2017-09-23 11:38:44)
WCh and other ramblings

i have 3 16 cores and one 16 core not yet assembled

only 2 games now, he will not lose


Garvin Gray    (2017-10-01 06:36:44)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Quick observation from beginning of final round. Players are not stuffing around and taking forever with their opening moves.

Knowing they have 16 games to play and a time control of 30 days plus 1 day per move, players seem to be getting through the opening phase quickly, to get as much extra time on their clock in all their games as possible.


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2017-10-09 00:29:29)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Dear admin! I just played the second pair of games with GM Riccio, Eros.
All the 4 games ended with a draw result. So, my entry fee was 100 euros for this match. That’s a great money for me!
When I bought e-points for euro I didn’t know about how can I refund my money in future.
I have read the forum thread by Nick Burrows, so I have a question to you:
Could you refund my money to my credit card (by Paypal, for example)?
Or are there any troubles with this?


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2017-10-09 08:11:36)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Hello, Thibault,

Well. I hear you. This is a real scam ("lohotron")! However, from a legal point of view, you are right. Because the text of the rules was written in a small font somewhere on the site. And still, such important moments should be in a visible place, so that beginners can immediately familiarize themselves with the site rules. From the point of view of morality it is a fraud. Similarly, I will give an example: often, when a person, which is a pensioner or disabled (by health), comes to the Bank, then the Bank offer to him to make a loan at high interest rates. Then the bank's employers give him a document in which you can see (only having good eyesight!) a rule written in a very small font and in future that document will eventually bankrupt this poor person! Very unpleasant incident, Thibault! 100 euros is a big money for me! I am disabled for health reasons and my pension is about 250 euros, most of this money goes to expensive medications. When I agreed to the match with Eros, I didn’t know all the tricks and traps on you site.

Okay, I'm ready to agree with you if you spend my money on charity. There are so many unfortunate people in the world now!


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-10-09 21:29:57)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Well, I understand and I'm very sorry about that... if it can avoid such problems, be sure that I'll copy this part of the terms in the page "My account" where it is specified:

"Before to buy any ticket for tournaments with entry fee and money prizes, please read the terms and conditions, and more particularly entry fees, money prizes and money transfer sections."

And as you may guess, FICGS is much much more a pleasure to run for me than a money thing... Actually, the money prize part represent about nothing here and has always been a problem more than a solution at the end.

Your proposal is very generous anyway, otherwise many Epoints are free prizes so it may help to add ones, but you may also play other nice games and why not get this money prize at the end.


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2017-10-09 21:55:57)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Hi, Thibault
A few words about the match with Riccio Eros. It seemed to me that Eros played too reliably, with a reserve of durability! However, now top-ranking OTB chess grandmasters, like Karjakin or Caruana, often play reliably too. The drawish tendencies are now visible in correspondence chess, unfortunately. To win Eros was very difficult, because of his debut choice and a power of the game, of course. Top grandmasters ICCF usually lose when they risk playing, for example, the Old Indian defense for Black.
Okay, then I donate e-points to the site and the question will be closed.
Sorry for my bad English. I do not have enough communication with foreigners.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-10-09 22:08:13)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

I have added the following text on the "My account" page, let's hope it will avoid such problems in the future:

"First of all, please note that FICGS does not work like a bank or a casino, you have to win tournaments to get a money prize, otherwise it is not possible to "cashout" or convert Epoints into money. If you didn't do it yet, have a look at the rules (textlink) on this specific point."


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2017-10-09 22:16:24)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *

Dear Thib,
Thank you very much!
I donated e-points to the site. Also, I will focus on my games on ICCF. I do not have only 5 points of the rating to get into the tournament with a grandmaster's norm. I need to put pressure on it!)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-10-20 15:39:29)
AlphaGo Zero

I believe, some pros started to call it "she" long time ago, because it felt more correct for them. (Because language reasons.)


Garvin Gray    (2017-11-01 15:42:29)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases

Since no one else has answered this. The reason why 7 piece tablebases are not yet used as declared results is two fold:

1) All positions have not yet been completely solved. This is my understanding at this point in time. Even if this point is now incorrect, please refer to point 2

2) The positions are not freely available and able to be reviewed to verify that a position is a draw or win for the claimant. At this point in time, this is possible for all 6 man positions, with sites like shredder tablebases site, for instance. Just copy your fen in as the arbiter and up come the result.

This type of resource does not yet exist for 7 man endings and until it does, 7 man adjudications will remain outside the rulings of official decisions.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-11-25 21:05:20)
The older rating lists

At last, all correspondence chess rating lists (from the server start, march 2006) are available by clicking "Rating lists" and following "The older rating lists"... 1 year of ratings by page.

As it was asked by a few players for a long time, only players who were REALLY active (who finished at least one game at most 1 year before or 1 year after the period) are listed in.

Many informations and good memories :) The worst part is that I can see clearly the reality: About 50% players left in about 4 or 5 years. The peak was about 900 players, there are now only 261 active correspondence chess players. Time to find new ideas, definitely.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-12-07 16:44:05)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish

It looks like there's no more month without news from Google Deepmind... This time again, this is quite stunning!

AlphaZero would have been able to beat (crush) the most recent version of Stockfish, that is also the world champion program and of course the free engine well known by correspondence chess players.

But most important is that actually AlphaZero would have outperformed Stockfish after only 4 hours of training (if I understood well), while it took 8 hours to outperform AlphaGo Lee and only 120 minutes to outperform Elmo at Shogi! However it seems much much harder for the neural program to improve at chess after this stunningly fast auto-learning.

100 games played (25 wins & 25 draws with white! 3 wins with black... no loss, either with white or black, which is an incredible performance)

All details available (must read) here: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01815.pdf

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-took-4-hours-google-s-ai-world-s-best-chess-player-deepmind-alphazero

A few games played by AlphaZero against Stockfish are included in the arxiv article.




Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-12-08 21:12:35)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish

Btw, AlphaZero and the match is proof of concept, for research purposes. And that was done excellently.

If one remembers that Deepmind priorities isn't being computer chess or Go champion, but advancing Artificial Intelligence research (and earning money for Google - using those advances and gained experience) then any accusations of cheating or not participating in CCRL seems meaningless.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-12-08 21:25:17)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish

* published

(Demis Hassabis said that on Twitter - i mean, about more serious publication.)


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-12-08 21:34:20)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish

Here:
https://twitter.com/demishassabis/status/938347604462542849


Ilmars Cirulis    (2017-12-08 22:56:07)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish

Here is also a Reddit thread with few comments/answers from Stockfish author Tord Romstad:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/7igro1/alphazero_reactions_from_top_gms_stockfish_author/

One quote from it.
<< But please note that I don't really blame Google. They didn't do anything wrong. They were running a scientific experiment, not a sporting event, and their experiment convincingly demonstrates what they set out to prove. >>


Garvin Gray    (2017-12-14 11:47:49)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish

Even more I read about this result, the more I am inclined to put this result in the 'nice story' but the devil is in the detail.

The time control was 1 minute per move, no tablebases and limited hardware for Stockfish.

This is a major limiting factor for any of the major programs and not how they are designed to work.

Also reading the chessbase article, as I suspected, AlphaZero was able to play many, many games against the Stockfish program, but Stockfish had no such opportunity against AlphaZero.

And so with each game, AlphaZero and the programmers had the opportunity to learn about Stockfish's strengths and weaknesses. Stockfish had no such opportunity.

The only way to see if AlphaZero and its MonteCarlo system is any good is for it to enter the next Computer World Championship and play under equal equipment against all the best chess programs.

Same time control, same processing power , opening books tailored for each engine and tablebases available for each engine.

That is the only way to find out how good the next version of AlphaZero really is.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-12-16 02:15:04)
DeepZen reached 9 dan (Go)

Everyone is talking about AlphaGo / AlphaZero but I just realized that another Go program reached 9 dan in 2017 : Zen or Deep Zen

It won a computer tournament and beat number 1 japanese player Iyama Yuta 9d, that seems quite significant.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?ZenGoProgram

A way to compare the success of the program by Google Deepmind.


Garvin Gray    (2017-12-22 10:06:03)
Monte Carlo Analysis

Time to start a thread on this topic, since it has gained some 'fame' with AlphaZero's win.

I have been looking at it and experimenting with it using Fritz 16 gui, but so far it seems to be only using Fritz 16 as the main engine, even though I am choosing four engines.

I have tried different depth (keeping them odd as recommended) and also both middle and broad search options.

So I am a bit lost as to the value of Monte Carlo Analysis for correspondence play. Is someone able to assist on whether it will show analysis or games from other engines, or how the breakdown works?


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-12-22 23:28:18)
Monte Carlo Analysis

Oh wow, it looks like I have no more idea of what Fritz Gui looks like nowadays... Is there a "Monte Carlo" engine or is it a Fritz option? Or is it the old option allowing engines to play each other in tournaments on various openings & positions?

Actually, I don't see the interest of a 'pure' Monte Carlo method in chess as it just looks like a non-optimized search. But it seems to me that it's a long time that engines use algorithms that look like it when it may be useful (particularly in calm positions & endgames). So, it's just a "plus" if you have some processing time to do it (like AlphaZero, having a much more powerful hardware), otherwise...

Right now, I must say I still have no accurate idea of how AlphaZero plays chess.


Garvin Gray    (2017-12-23 00:53:39)
Monte Carlo Analysis

In the Fritz 16 gui, you choose Monte Carlo Analysis from the header options, just like you would if you were choosing infinite analysis or deep position analysis and the many other types of game styles.

Your main engine must be Fritz 16, which seems to be a pain. This is one of my questions about this analysis style. Will explain more below.

Then after choosing Monte Carlo Analysis, Fritz gui will change over to MCA and a new screen will appear with options:

Search depth: default is 5. The first is the search depth, with a default of "5". This controls how far ahead (in half-moves, or "plies") the engine will look before making a move. For example, if you leave this at "5", the engine will look 2.5 moves ahead before making a move. Remember, the engine is going to be playing a lot of games against itself and storing the moves in the form of a tree, so the search depth is important. You must realize, however, that there's something of a tradeoff here; the higher you set the search depth, the more time the engine will need to make each move -- so you're trading time for depth. On the other hand, setting a lower search depth means that many more games will be played in a given amount of time, but that the moves themselves are likely to be more superficial.



Keep in mind, too, that you should use only odd numbers for the search depth, because chess engines tend to develop a tactical "blind spot" when made to analyze at even ply depths. Rule of thumb: odd numbers good, even numbers bad.

The second setting is the "width" of the tree. This is similar in some ways to the "Branching factor" in Deep Position Analysis and is another "space for time" tradeoff. If you create a "Narrow" tree, you won't see many alternative moves displayed in your game tree but the overall process of playing games and generating the tree will be faster. "Broad" trees show more alternatives but take longer to generate (it requires more processor time and thus slows down the chess engine).

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So in all from my reading- what I can seem to deduce is- MCA plays many games against itself starting from the set position. The longer you leave the analysis, the more 'reliable' the results.

The question, or issue I am having at the moment for testing is, in the Fritz gui, I am having to use Fritz 16 as the main engine but am not seeing the analysis change to any other engines, so am wondering how long before it does, or will it only analysis the position in Fritz 16?

Considering at the start when you were loading your setting, you were given the option of four engines, this seems confusing to me.

So I thought I would ask if someone else had more experience with MCA and how it works?

Also, what about Deep position analysis? We could start a thread about that one too.


Daniel Parmet    (2017-12-24 18:51:20)
Monte Carlo Analysis

I thought the whole idea of IDEA was a human thought merge of computer analysis through MCA?

I had the thought about using MCA with chess engines as the brain nearly 5 years ago at work. My boss loved the idea and tasked me with it. However, I have no coding skills so my ability was limited to what was available which was extremely limited at the time.

The best way to think of MCA is to accept that we don't know what move is best (hence why Alphazero didn't have or want an opening book or games database). From here now, it's like trying to predict what's best and what will come from flipping a coin 5 million times. You know in a coin scenario that it is 50%. But what about the stock market? A lottery ticket? A game of black jack? Or Chess? Each individual decision could yield 50.1% in favor and by MCA you will find it. It will create a tree that shows a RANGE of your worst possibilities to best on a probalistic manner. The most common use is for wealth management investing.

As for how to change off the Fritz engine, I don't know. I could never figure that out (though I only have the Fritz 13 gui). I guess I was hoping this feature would be improved over time. Perhaps now due to Alphazero, it will be.


Thibault de Vassal    (2017-12-29 23:07:05)
FICGS Android APP beta version

Finally... finally, FICGS Android applications are here:

http://www.ficgs.com/chess-online_gbr.html

Basically, the 4 versions are quite the same: only the name & icon change.

I tested it in many ways and it looks like it works fine and display seems ok, so feel free to try it, any feedback would be much appreciated!

I will publish it in APP stores soon, let's hope it will help to attract many new players (most probably Go players & chess players without engines IMO) and bring back a few ones :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-10-12 02:57:51)
Rating System.....

FICGS has its own rating system, it looks like ELO but it slightly differs to take account of what might provoke a global deflation due to rules about forfeits & the constantly increasing level.

All calculation details are in terms & conditions :

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-06 20:46:05)
My New Chess Rule

Seems to be a reasonable one :) By the way, it could end in the FICGS quotes file ^^

Is there one game to illustrate it?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-10 22:29:48)
1st King Supertournament

Dear chessfriends, FICGS Android apps are now bringing a really different playing experience!

All 4 apps are now dedicated to either chess, Go or Poker Holdem (or all games) with specific features that make it easier and compliant with laws in more countries, that's why it is now useful to install them all and use it according to your taste at the moment.

Of course, it is more dedicated to "chess for fun", that's why it's a good time to start the very 1st FICGS chess King Supertournament:

- No engines or databases allowed
- Unrated thematic tournament: King's gambit
- Marathon tournament : unlimited number of players / games
- Flash deadline: The tournament will start on January 17th, 2018

Will you dare to enter this much fun and challenging waiting list? :)


Finally, these apps are very good news for FICGS as new players are coming again... It was really time, particularly after the last server crash! Now I'll make my possible to make FICGS great again, or even greater :)


Christoph Schroeder    (2018-01-11 00:29:15)
1st King Supertournament

A King's gambit thematic would be great, but as a no engine version? No.

It is fun to search for truth in ancient openings like the King's Gambit, but that obviously requires the use of books, databases and engines.

Moreover, experience on other servers shows that in the so-called "no-engine tournaments" the majority of the players use engines, anyway.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-11 03:13:36)
1st King Supertournament

Hi Christoph,

I agree that engines may be there anyway (I added a permanent warning in the "move_express" page), and also that King's Gambit needs to be analyzed again and again :)

There are several reasons for this choice for this particular tournament...

1. The tournament's format: The number of games may be huge and practically impossible to manage with databases & engines analysis. At least, it could be dissuasive! By the way, there are regularly King's gambit thematic in the Special Chess Tournaments category.

2. The "applications friendly" idea: Unlike most other tournaments, this one will be particulary playable just for fun from anywhere with a phone.

And before everything, this is just an experiment...

Let's try something new :)


Garvin Gray    (2018-01-14 02:43:50)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

Projections for the winning score are now being made. I thought I would bring these discussions to the thread.

Be careful about not actually discussing the games as so not to influence those games.

It seems like 9.5 or 10 out of 16 will be the winning score.

For any player to get a FEM norm, they had to score 12/16.

Now looking at this field and how the scores have panned out, does 75% seems rather unrealistic?

9.5/16 has already been recorded by Ortiz, so use a golfing analogy. Ortiz is in the clubhouse with 9.5 and everyone else is still on course playing out their last holes.

Anything less than 9.5 is no good.

Quite a few players still have so many games still going that making predictions is a rather forlorn exercise at this stage.


Clodomiro Ortiz    (2018-01-14 03:08:02)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

My observations are just based on a rapid view of the remaining games..i agree that a few players still have to many pending games to make an accurate prediction,so the last word has not been said yet...


Kym Farnik    (2018-01-15 07:11:04)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Hi
I've used a site in the past with conditional moves. VERY handy!
Especially for forced moves or obvious moves.

For those against the idea - you don't have to use the feature :)

It would speed up games for those that want to use it.

I'm a software developer with PHP experience and would be happy to help implement the feature!
(Yes, putting my money where my mouth is so to speak)

Thanks!


Garvin Gray    (2018-01-16 00:52:53)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Ahh conditional moves again. Seems like once a year this topic comes up. Rinse and repeat.

For the record, yes I am in favour it. So please do not take my position as being against it.

This discussion has been held before a few times, but the site does change.

Thibault, what is this sites current capability to handle conditional moves? They would only just have to be just one line linear conditionals.


Kym Farnik    (2018-01-16 03:01:46)
Conditional chess moves (again)

@Thibault ... my offer to assist development is real.
1. Design a prototype UI (probably JS tool to do up to maybe 3 lines of conditionals)
2. Feedback from members
3. Review design
4. Implement and deploy to test site
5. TEST !!
6. Rinse repeat 4/5 until happy
7. Deploy beta
8. Feedback and tune as needed
9. Go live


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-16 16:43:40)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Hi all,

Before everything, let's make it clear: Absolute priority (for years actually, but particularly since the launch of the Android apps) right now is to increase the popularity of the server, that slowly went down for more than 5 years. Now it's going better for the first time since, but I'm still working on and have much to do there.

Well, let's say this would be the right thing to do after all (which is another debate, with questions like what if a player does not want his opponent to use this option that by the way he cannot or does not want to use himself because it goes too fast and/or gains time on clock - case that I saw at another server).

Don't misunderstand me: I already used conditional moves at other servers and I liked it too, but I did not find it essential. Also, we all know that all opinions are in nature. And as a reminder, one goal of this server was to offer the simpliest & lightest (HTML or HTML & few javascript) interface.

Kim, one question to think about the work to do in your step 1:

How do you imagine the communication between a Javascript interface & php server? Well, I know how to implement Ajax (which I chose not to use at FICGS), this is not the point here. But it is not enough that moves are verified by javascript - that is a big work if you do it from zero - , it must be validated by the server itself, then confirmed or not to the player, meaning casually one more step. Means more php jobs from the server (which is not a big deal) so new codes that would be compatible between that Javascript UI (that must fit to site's design) & FICGS (that is not obvious if you know the small possible differences in terms of PGN format), a new field in database, the way to handle it after few conditional moves & so on.

Once more, it is feasible, of course. But there are obvious difficulties: it is not possible to add such code without being completely in FICGS codes, that are not object-oriented.

Anyway, if the number of active players grows again, I'm quite sure we'll have a good occasion to discuss it (with some more pressure ^^).


Kym Farnik    (2018-01-17 00:34:08)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Hi
First thanks for making your position clear.

Yes, JS talking Ajax to a PHP handler.
I have implemented this type of thing in the past.

Even if the main FICGS code is totally procedural, it is not uncommon to build a new feature using an OO module, and in time either run old and new code in parallel. Or... migrate all the code to a new OO framework over time.

The play move and add conditionals interface would need to be made JS and redesigned. The back end would I expect have a game/move/conditional validator function.
There are plenty of JS chess interfaces that could be used as design input.

I recognize this is a major project for a one man team. I'd say 4-6 weeks of full time effort, possibly longer if we have to design a OO framework for the back end. Hence my offer to help as I'm semi-retired and have time.

A good isolated dev and test environment is mandatory. This is not just a simple site hack.

I hope this helps!


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-17 02:04:09)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Many thanks for this nice proposal Kym! By the way, I have no doubt that you could do much better than me (and with more time).

Well, as you understood FICGS has become a big complex (& quite old) thing that is not easy to shake. Each time I think about conditional moves, the more problems I identify (chess 960, draw offers, messages & so on)

Let's give us a few weeks to think about it. Not a way to throw it away, but I really need time for now to work on apps popularity.


Kym Farnik    (2018-01-17 02:35:24)
Spice up chess? More members

OTB and online chess have moved to faster format games.
The use of rapid, blitz, bullet, and even Armageddon (tie break) games are very common.

An idea to get more involved... 'Super rapid' say 10 days + 12hours / move

Thoughts?


Garvin Gray    (2018-01-17 03:45:40)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Problems to identify and solutions:

As a starting point for the games:

Conditional moves would be restricted to the classical chess style. We have to start somewhere and this is the tried and tested format and most well known. So there are already sites out there using conditional moves in classical chess.

As for draw offers. If a player wants to offer a draw, the linear conditional move line stops at that move. They have to input their move and the draw offer by ticking the box.

Then the move passes to player B with the draw offer and they have to accept or decline the draw offer and play their move.

And then play resumes as normal with linear conditional moves.

This is how linear conditional moves worked when I ran the WBCCC events.

I am not sure what you mean by messages?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-17 05:01:38)
Spice up chess? More members

Another interesting & old topic, very tough actually to make everyone happy when trying to reduce chances of losses on time... still unsolved :)


Clodomiro Ortiz    (2018-01-17 11:59:10)
Spice up chess? More members

I like the idea of a SUPER RAPID TOUR..of course, it is lead to the segment of population with enough available time...remember that sometimes losing on time is a decision some people prefer as a tactic to delay defeat.Anyway, everyone should be responsible for the tour selected...


Garvin Gray    (2018-01-17 12:57:54)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Kym: Point 2- regarding whether to allow more than one line of conditional moves.

I think it is important to introduce a concept now called project scope. What this means is setting the outer limits of the project and also what are the main aims, or purpose of the project.

Anything that is outside of these aims, is outside of the project scope and is rejected.

As was stated by yourself in the first post:

I've used a site in the past with conditional moves. VERY handy!
Especially for forced moves or obvious moves.

For those against the idea - you don't have to use the feature :)

It would speed up games for those that want to use it.

And then Herbert Kruse said- I like that idea.

So that gives a very good idea of what the project scope is, or the reason for allowing conditional moves- to allow players to make forced moves or obvious moves through conditional moves.

An issue that already occurs in correspondence chess is players either resigning by mistake, move slips, or other mistakes.

Introducing conditional moves will increase the possibility of this occurring. This is why the number of conditional moves must be kept to a minimum, hence why I believe the requirement for linear conditional moves.

This also makes it much easier to deal with draw offers.


Herbert Kruse    (2018-01-18 16:41:35)
Spice up chess? More members

players who lose on time wouldnt play faster tournaments
my main theme in ficgs is waiting - more for poker, but for chess games too


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-18 18:07:57)
Spice up chess? More members

Anyway, if the apps finally attract new players enough, then I'll be glad to open new tournaments categories... This would be the solution to many things.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-20 01:15:06)
New feature : picture of the game

As you may have seen in the "move_express" page or "viewer" page, it is now possible to generate a picture of a game (available for chess, big chess & Go, not poker holdem).

The picture is also "attached" to the public viewer page, eg. http://www.ficgs.com/game_98779.html when you share the url.


It is particularly convenient to share a game result or a position (just add the move number in the url) in your favourite social networks...

Any feedback is welcome, if you have any suggestion :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-20 20:30:32)
Names updated (the accents issue)

Hi all,

Finally, I just removed all special characters (accents & others) from first names, last names, names in the games & names in the forum, names in games discussions...

This is a very strange issue since the last server update (following the last server crash), as several characters sets/encodings were used and I did not find a way to make it compatible.

To be continued...


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-21 17:06:34)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Now I'm to integrate chess.js & chessboard.js in some parts of the site to remove the flash chess board... one issue with conditional moves would be that FICGS rules are slightly different from FIDE rules: no 50/60 moves rule here. Anyway, to be continued.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-21 23:55:52)
Conditional chess moves (again)

Sure, it's feasible but the idea was to not implement this rule :) (correspondence chess is quite different from otb chess after all)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-21 23:58:43)
Names updated (the accents issue)

MySQL. The thing here is not the code but the complete change of system. As I explained last year here, it is a complete mess in terms of compatibility (I did not suspect so many issues).


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-23 00:08:33)
Conditional chess moves (again)

The exact rule is "The 50 moves rule is not implemented, please call referee if an obvious draw is not accepted by your opponent. Please note that a forced checkmate in more than 50 moves won't be considered as a draw."

Consequently, if tablebases say there is a draw, it is not always a draw here, e.g. if this is a draw because of the 50/60 moves FIDE rule.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-23 00:43:23)
Chess engines in no engines tournaments

... at least, for those who think by themselves (a vast majority, I guess), here's some help :)

http://image.farnik.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Think_In_Chess

Good advices here but it will not be enough to save some of my games ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-25 01:53:48)
Conditional chess moves (again)

As you may have noticed, chess.js & chessboard.js are now integrated as an option in the viewer page...

But strangely, it seems there are some bugs in the PGN processing, or at least this 24.R2e1 in WCH game 98780 (Kruse-Riccio) should be ok with the "sloppy" option.

You can see the new feature here:

http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=98780&auto=1


Zack Stephen    (2018-01-28 01:00:23)
FICGS Android APP beta version

Hi
Yes the "remember me" is checked, and the username/password is filled in, however I still have to press login. Other apps can skip this step if the credentials are already filled in.

Also would love to set the first scree to be the "my games" screen by default, instead of the home page.

Lastely you have to scroll to the bottom of the page to find links to the forum, and other pages. can you add navigation at the top of the page?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-02-13 20:07:32)
New FICGS app: beta test

After hundreds of bug fixes & improvements, it looks like a v1.0 now, compatible with most devices... Will be on the Play Store soon.

Any feedback welcome :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-02-15 23:48:00)
Stockfish 9 released

It seems that Stockfish 9 is now available... Did anyone test it already?

http://stockfishchess.org/download/


Any improvement "noticed"? (seems hard to notice anything anymore :))

We'll see what rating it reaches on CEGT lists...


Garvin Gray    (2018-02-16 01:25:26)
Stockfish 9 released

Probably a bit early to ask if any genuine improvements are noticeable, since its just been released :)

One comment that I do remember from the recent Computer World Champs, where Houdini and Komodo made the finals, and Stockfish 8 missed out by a whisker, was that each of the programmers said that Stockfish did not convert some positions because it did not have as high a contempt factor as Houdini and Komodo.

So it is likely that for Stockfish 9, this is an area that the programmers have worked on.


Kym Farnik    (2018-02-16 09:21:20)
Stockfish 9 released

FYI Development builds now have dynamic contempt.

Author: Stefano Cardanobile
Date: Fri Feb 9 19:07:19 2018 +0100
Timestamp: 1518199639

Introduce dynamic contempt

Make contempt dependent on the current score of the root position.

The idea is that we now use a linear formula like the following to decide
on the contempt to use during a search :

contempt = x + y * eval

where x is the base contempt set by the user in the "Contempt" UCI option,
and y * eval is the dynamic part which adapts itself to the estimation of
the evaluation of the root position returned by the search. In this patch,
we use x = 18 centipawns by default, and the y * eval correction can go
from -20 centipawns if the root eval is less than -2.0 pawns, up to +20
centipawns when the root eval is more than 2.0 pawns.

To summarize, the new contempt goes from -0.02 to 0.38 pawns, depending if
Stockfish is losing or winning, with an average value of 0.18 pawns by default.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-02-16 19:33:12)
New FICGS app: beta test

3 new FICGS applications based on the "Chess Trainer" app :

- Blindfold chess : same, but on en empty board... for experts, IM & GM.
- Chess 960 : the famous Fischer random chess version... much fun!
- Random : even more random, up to 7 knights, bishops, rooks or queens.

As for me, I quite like the "Random chess" app :)


Garvin Gray    (2018-02-22 11:22:43)
Norm qualification criteria, incorrect?

In looking at the current group/event that I am playing in, which is Rapid SM 15, according to the current way FICGS sets the scores for norms, to get a FIM norm for that event, FEM is at 4 and FIM as at 4.5 for all players.

It has occurred to me that this is different to how fide works out norm opportunities in round robin and swiss events.

In those events, each players average rating of their opponents is worked out and then that is plugged into the system and then that expected score is used to work out what score they need to get a FEM or FIM norm or higher.

To explain further as that might be unclear.

In the group I am talking about, PoulErik Jorgensen has an equal chance of getting an FEM or FIM norm than someone who is rated lower than him, even though that other player is playing a field who is stronger.

So using the FIDE way and the percentages for FEM and FIM norm, I play and average rating field of 2337.8, round up to 2338. This means that in a category 4 event, I need to score 56 percent, or 3.5 for an FEM and 67 percent or 4 points, not 4.5 for a FIM norm.

Now also doing some further calculating, Alex Wosch is able to score a FSM norm as his average rating of opponents is 2,329 and would then need to score 4.5. Under the current arrangement, he is deprived of this opportunity.

Therefore, I could give a rundown of all players, but I am of the conclusion that the current method of calculating Norm qualifications is inadequate and needs to be refined.

My thoughts were triggered to this from the FICGS world cup when any player to reach a FEM norm needed to score 12/16, which was clearly an outlandish score given the field.


Garvin Gray    (2018-02-26 02:50:10)
Norm qualification criteria, incorrect?

ICCF is the FIDE way. As all events are round robin, each player is told the score they need to achieve to get a Norm before the event begins.

Almost any item can be easily understandable if kept simple, but does this mean it is the best system if it does not produce the most accurate results for player performances?

For Comparison with ICCF: Here you have the point total for all players to get a norm in norm tournaments.

At ICCF: In the Points table, they have columns which show what score each player needs to reach to get that particular norm.

So that information is included in the cross table.


Garvin Gray    (2018-03-03 05:44:33)
World Championship Groups

I know this is not the first time this question has been asked, but thought this could be explained again as I am a bit confused.

I have looked at the layout for the stages of the World Championship Groups and the path that each group takes, but I am a bit confused about how being put into a stronger pool of players ie Group SM is an advantage.

It seems to be that the players in Group SM or M are still starting from stage 1.

So, the players who finish at the bottom of this group can be bundled out of the event, whereas someone who was in Group 1 starts at the same level and plays against players 2000 or so.

I am confused as to what advantage there is to being put into Group SM is?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-03-14 23:12:38)
A few questions to Nelson Bernal Varela

Nelson Bernal Varela is an early FICGS correspondence chess player, now rated 2277 but also rated 2359 at ICCF (Correspondence Chess Master - CCM).

Last but not least, and as all poker holdem players here probably noticed, he is also our ranked #1 for years, who just reached an outstanding poker rating of 2382, while number two is now rated "only" 2212. A good occasion to ask him a few questions, that he kindly accepted to answer.

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- Hello Nelson! You are the 2nd most active player at FICGS for years now. Everyone here probably noticed your incredible results in poker tournaments. "Correspondence poker holdem" was probably a strange idea as it is very unusual and very different from "Internet poker". What's your opinion on this and on the presence of a card game (played without money) at FICGS?


NBV: There are more important things than money and one of those is HONOR; It is honorable to be a chess master, international master, grandmaster, world chess champion at ICCF and at FICGS and to be number one in the ranking. It is honorable to be a FICGS world champion at Go and to be first in the ranking, it is honorable to be poker world champion at FICGS poker and in my case, it is an honor to be number one at poker here at FICGS during the last years, understanding that our general level of play has improved remarkably. None of these activities produces money, but to achieve any of the mentioned titles, it is necessary to have extraordinary abilities.

When I was about 18 years old, I had the opportunity to meet a person with immense material wealth, we spent whole evenings playing chess and then I told him my perceptions about each movement of the game. He thanked me for my chess explanations and paid me with good money. That wealthy man in his turn told me about life and recommended that I should always be proud of the gifts I had, since he knew, with all the money he had and being able to hire the best grandmasters in the world, that it could hardly come at the level of chess master. That person told me that the intellect can be turned into money whenever you want.

Now, by playing poker without money at FICGS, I understood that it was my extraordinary and wonderful opportunity to study-learn-perfect and test my poker theories without costing me a single dollar. In FICGS there is no money, but thanks to the knowledge I gained playing poker in FICGS, today I can go after the money in online poker rooms and probably in OTB poker tournaments. I am studying the possibility of becoming a professional poker player.


- The understanding of your opponent's behaviour is usually quite important at Poker. Do you manage to establish some profiles while playing so many simultaneous hands & games? Did you build any method?


NBV: Today I am sure that the most important thing to raise, and keep raising my level in poker, has been to build a psychological profile of mine, to get to know Nelson Bernal Varela in depth and above all to understand me, accept me, love me and be work every day eliminating my technical errors, strategic, psychological that make me play badly. I am aware that in poker I can play perfectly and still lose, what I can not forgive me is playing badly, which is why I work hard correcting my wrong decisions.

Of course, there is a space in my brain where I have built a psychological profile of each contender, that profile I have been able to elaborate with all the information that is provided to me in each hand we play. The way each of us plays, gives reliable information about our personality.

About my method I can write the following: A few years ago, I created a table in excel, where I had all the games with each contender, I identified them with the FICGS numeration and each movement in each hand (preflop, flop, turn, river ) it I was writing and studying; I started to add technical-psychological variables that seemed important to me, resulting in 20 variables that I had to qualify in each movement. With the passage of time and my effort, I no longer needed the excel table and I did not use it again (it was exhausting and time consuming) because I was assimilating things faster and with greater depth. Today I can say that I evaluate these 20 variables in a natural way, as if I was breathing and that when I am at a poker table, online or real, after a few minutes I get the psychological profile of the table and each of my opponents. In the pocket of my shirt I keep a small paper with the list of variables, periodically reread it and I wonder if I should modify, remove or add something.


- You won 1007 poker games, and lost only 380, with a ratio usually going from 57% to 80% according to your best opponents. Undoubtly you know the mathematics hidden behind poker but that may not explain everything. How did you learn to play?


NBV: Mathematics is an ingredient in poker, in the same way that my psychological aspects and of my opponents (I recommend reading-studying about four times the book “The Poker mindset†of Ian Taylor and Matthew Hilger), it is vital to understand the Law of Large Numbers. Next I make a list of topics that I consider important to raise the level of poker; compete with EV+ cards, you have to know the small ball theory of Negreanu (but not apply it, hahaha) you have to always look at the texture of the board, you have to evaluate your reality and your future, also that of your opponents (act and power), the position to talk is important, the stack, the personality of the table, know who has the panic button on. All these and other variables must be evaluated in the few seconds they have to make a move and the only important thing is to make the right decision according to the circumstances. There is a good list of poker books to read... it is mandatory to have read about 15 poker books.


- As for me, I may be wrong but I can't imagine that you reached such a rating without special techniques & maybe by optimizing it in some ways... Of course, "rating management" is not a problem, and it is only one thing with a limited impact, but maybe you have some other secrets? What about this "+1" technique that I noticed in many of our games, if this is not a secret? :)


NBV: In these years I have used different techniques that I had to read, study, learn, repeat, modify, invent and sometimes eliminate. Poker is a sport that seems easy, with time one manages to understand that it has an amazing complexity, today I consider poker to be as complex as chess and I study them in a "similar" way. As an example, I have tried to create "openings in poker"; based only on probabilities I invented something that I called mirror theory and another "opening" that I called opposite outs. I am fascinated by mathematics and from the mathematical perspective they are perfect "theories-openings", but I have lost tournaments and a lot of money for applying such theories in mistaken emotional moments. In poker it is important to never lose sight of the Law of Large Numbers and be aware that this LAW likes to make fun of each one of us... I am working on giving an emotional nuance to my theories "mirror" and "opposite outs". There are moments when perfect mathematics becomes an unforgivable psychological error...

For the last few months I have modified my way of playing and my results have improved; Today it must be much more difficult to win a game me, thanks to small and imperceptible adjustments that of course only I know, because I have followed my mistakes-successes-evolution in the game over several years.


- Isn't it too frustrating for you to play heads up only (here at least) ? Of course it is a way to improve this important technical case but we know that many complexities come with 3 to 8 players on the table, which is the most common case in professional poker tournaments.


NBV: Currently I spend little time every day playing heads-up in FICGS, thanks to the fact that I have the profile of each contender. The 4-5 hours that I study poker daily, include practice in micro limits in cash tables of 6 players and tournaments in tables of 8-9 players. I think I'm covering the whole range of possibilities, experiencing game situations between 1 and 8 contenders.


- What do you think about computer analysis in poker? Do you think it could make a difference here just like the way we play advanced chess?


NBV: I think the algorithms are ready to be written in machine language and the question is where are those algorithms? Well, in the brains of the best players in the world and in their games compiled in huge databases. But programming language can be accelerated with artificial intelligence brains, making A.I. studying databases of the best professionals, playing with itself millions of games and building an invincible TACTIC-STRATEGIC SYSTEM, similar to chess software and GO... I think preflop and flop play would be very similar between humans and artificial intelligence, but on the turn and on the river artificial intelligence would take considerable advantage, but in the short time the level of human poker would rise because artificial intelligence would teach us to play poker, this event that would diminish the profits of the professionals. It will always be said in favor of poker that because it is an incomplete game of information, to make computer algorithms are quite complicated, but despite that, I am sure that artificial intelligence will far surpass the best human poker player. It is possible that an artificial intelligence that plays a perfect poker already exists, but unlike GO and chess, poker does produce a lot of money. Due to the money factor, in today's world, it is very difficult that there is a Prometheus willing to steal fire from the gods and give it to mankind...


- How would you describe your relation to games in general?


NBV: I can summarize it in one of the first chess books I had the fortune to read, by the great Danish master Bent Larsen, "I play to win"


- When did you start to play chess & poker? Do you play other games?


NBV: My first contact with chess was at the age of nine, it was love at first sight and until death separates us; I must confess that for some years we have been separated, due to my stupidity and my erroneous decisions. I have always been self-taught in any subject, my method is to buy about 10 to 15 books of the subject that interests me and I read them thoroughly, sometimes 3 or 4 times; already with that information in my head and thanks to the constant practice, I build MY SYSTEM (Nimzowitch) according to my personality, my dreams, my desires, my anguish, my fears... I was youth champion of Bogotá, for 4 years , my OTB level was strong, but I had to abandon chess because I had to work and survive; Being an athlete in Colombia is an absolutely difficult thing, but being a chess player is extremely complicated since there is no support or respect from society and you can not live by chess, because it does not produce money.

I met poker in 2009 in FICGS, at that time I was in a terrible emotional situation, trying to get away from a relationship with a woman that I should never approach and where I wasted valuable time and energy. In that context, looking for my thoughts to be occupied, I ended up playing the FICGS C-24 poker tournament and tied the first place with three more players; I kept playing, without understanding what was happening with the cards and obviously, losing, until in 2010 I won the FICGS D-21 tournament with perfect score, 6 out of 6. I had already bought-read my first beginner book: Poker for Dummies of Harroch and Krieger, but my poker was coarse, wild, street, intuitive, amateur, without dedication or study. In the background of this paragraph, the affection and gratitude that I have for FICGS is condensed, a place where I have been able to build-practice-study-test MY SYSTEM in poker.

I play Backgammon, I do not care that it may sound pretentious-petulant, but I have a very strong level and I have not read my first book yet. Hahaha. Any year I register as a participant in the world championship and I will cause disgust to more than one professional. Hahaha. Unlike chess and poker, backgammon does not cause me stress, on the contrary, I feel a lot of joy and pleasure when I play backgammon. I feel something similar with math, reading and music. It's true and I'm proud, I've always been a NERD.


- We all know how difficult it is to reach a number 1 rank but it is even more difficult to keep it during a long time. What is your motivation? Do you have more goals to achieve (chess & other games included) ?


NBV: My motivation in any activity I undertake in my life is to do it with absolute passion (passion is everything you would do to get a breath of air, in the second before dying by drowning or suffocation).

I have several goals to accomplish before December 2021; In the ICCF correspondence chess I must reach the 2400 elo and get the titles of International Master, SIM and Grand Master, also perform outstanding performances in world championships. In FICGS Chess I must complete my Master and International Master titles and overcome the 2450 elo, also snatch the title from our eternal champion Eros Riccio. You're warned Eros, hahaha. On the LSS site where I also play, www.chess-server.net I want to be a world champion.

In POKER I find myself playing micro limits bets in several online sites; in June 2018 I hope I have built some bankroll. In July of 2018 I must be evaluating my poker to know if my immediate goal is to become a professional poker player, that would completely change my chess goals and I would have to dedicate myself to OTB poker. At the moment I study and practice poker every day, about 4-5 hours a day. At this moment my poker is full of errors that I am eliminating one by one. MY SYSTEM needs to win and raise money in the micro limits, so that it can succeed in professional poker.
In chess OTB I should become a great master, but that topic should be left as a goal for after 2021. I could achieve the record of being the oldest human in getting the title of Grand Master OTB. Hahaha.

In backgammon I would like to play some important tournaments in USA and Europe and maybe to be OTB world champion, but at the moment I do not have clarity on how to do it. I must mature that idea.
I hope they invent immortality before I die and that I have enough money to buy it, because time is what I need to realize all these and other dreams...


- Finally, playing so many games on several websites (obviously with serious ambitions in each game & place) may look quite inhuman and exhausting, does your body or brain say "stop" sometimes? Do you train by melting sports and brain games just like Kasparov did in the past?


NBV: It's true, it takes willpower and a lot of resistance to sustain the pace that I carry. To take care of my body, I am doing daily exercise for 60 to 90 minutes, including routines of strength, elasticity, speed and endurance. I also practice table tennis to preserve the agility of my body. I'm also divorced and I do not have a girlfriend... Hahaha


- By curiosity, do you consider playing Go in the future, even after... 2021? (which would surely be an enormous charge more, but the game is really interesting)


I have a kind of commitment with the best Colombian GO player, exchange of classes, he makes me a competitive player of GO and I turn him into a competitive player of backgammon. But the truth is that I do not have time... it could be after 2021...


- Do you confirm that you are not (entirely or partly) AlphaZero or any kind of A.I. (yet) ? :-)


NBV: Hahaha, of course I would like to be a real centaur, human with machine power, I do not care what physical form I should adopt. I offer myself publicly as a guinea pig in projects of technological singularity. Hahaha


- Many thanks for your detailed and instructive (impressive as well) answers! My best wishes of luck in all your games and future tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-03-15 19:22:45)
A few questions to Nelson Bernal Varela

Of course it is possible but I don't think it would be efficient enough (but I understand the idea to reduce the total time) while creating other problems. I hope more players will try bullet games in the future.


George Jempty    (2018-03-16 12:29:42)
Anybody in USA want my computers?

Wondering if anybody in the USA I could ship to would be interested in buying my 2 desktop computers? They're a couple of years old but haven't been used in about a year. They were instrumental in me rising from the low 1900s to the low 2200s without a defeat along the way, and one of them has Houdini on it. They cost me about $1000 each but I would sell the two of them as a package for $900 and to make it official we could do it over eBay. I'm away from home for another week so can't get the exact specs until then, just trying to gauge interest between now and then.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-03-21 20:37:41)
FICGS chess cup : proposal

[a few posts before & after were edited or deleted]

As I just said in the game thread, that's why I always prefered the knockout format :/ Such suspicions are a cancer in round-robin championships and a pity as this was a real tough & interesting tournament (initiated by Garvin, for the memories).

Of course, this comment is not a judgement in any matter. Systems are the problem, not the problems caused by the systems.

Anyway, let's wait the end of the tournament, then I'll tell and explain my decision, that will eventually open a new debate to change the rules if necessary (I would be surprised though).


Steven DuCharme    (2018-03-29 21:47:52)
Daily Chess World Champ.

I have sent my request via PM. This is self organized. One entrant per site. One total entrant thus far. No prize other than mention across my sites and forums. Original intent was top player of each site would battle for internet supremacy but I'll take whoever I can get :)


William Taylor    (2018-04-01 18:42:20)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon

Not sure how sexist it is, or to whom. Yes, the King is the most important piece, but the Queen is by far the most powerful. It seems more sexist to remove women from the game entirely by renaming the Queen.


William Taylor    (2018-04-01 19:36:39)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon

Black and White is at least the other way round in Go. Perhaps you should switch chess to Black moving first, and Go to White moving first, for the benefit of those of us who don't play both games.
The problem with cats, of course, is that we would be leaving out dogs.


William Taylor    (2018-04-01 22:56:16)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon

Agreed. Only question now is what we do with chess games in progress - let them play out, or somehow convert them to the new game partway through?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-02 00:13:20)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon

Interesting! Reminds me the nice game The Attack ("L'attaque" en français). But only males in this one again.


Kym Farnik    (2018-04-06 16:36:42)
New style? Please revert

No. The old 'My Games' used to show both my time remaining and my opponents.
Now it looks like the App version.
My Tournaments has gone missing as well.


Kym Farnik    (2018-04-06 16:42:18)
New style? Please revert

Found the problem. I'm using Firefox 60beta.
Chrome works ok.
Somehow the device detection is not working with Firefox Beta.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-06 17:03:20)
New style? Please revert

?? .. that seems very strange... if you could send me a screen capture, it could help much to prevent some strangeness. I'm always afraid of browsers updates :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-07 02:21:30)
New style? Please revert

Many thanks for the capture! This is exactly the mobile version, so either it was the url memorized somewhere in your browser, or you reached it via the new https homepage, but it was not "detected", you always can choose what interface you use.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-07 03:09:02)
Harold Moye, man of arts... and chess

I'm very sad to announce here that we just lost a chess friend, Harold Moye, who played chess with us while he was involved in a much more difficult battle. My condolences to his family.

Here is the first part of the obituary:

"Harold Anthony Moye, age 62, died on March 4, 2018, wife Linda (Polhemus) Moye at his side. They were devoted to each other for 17 years since vowing their love on a mountain in Wyoming. For 13 of those years, Harold endured bone marrow cancer (Multiple Myeloma) with grace, unusual resilience, and quiet courage.

He loved poetry, languages, art, music, history, philosophy, astronomy, cinema, flying airplanes (actually and with flight simulator) and coffee. Some of his favorites were Shelley, Blake, Rilke, Shakespeare, Norse sagas, VanGogh, Mahler, Bach, Beethoven, and Sumatran and Guatemalan beans. Harold said that Blake taught him the most about art; Shelley was his brother; VanGogh his first cousin; and coffee a major food group (along with pizza and cookies). Above all, he valued imagination, compassion, and generosity of spirit in others. He played Shogi and Chess with friends all over the world online and in person, reaching the distinction of Chess Master when he coordinated tournaments in Wyoming. (...)"

http://www.ficgs.com/moye_harold.htm


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-07 20:51:10)
unable to play my move!

That could seem to be a fair solution at a first sight, but of course that would create ways to "save" lost games (and/or complexify rules quite a lot).

This kind of cases is well specified in the rules, it is also up to the players to check their moves to avoid such situations (that could be much more complicate according to the situation).


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-07 21:01:35)
unable to play my move!

I understand but the way I coded the moves verification more than a decade ago, it is unlikely that all cases can be fixed :/ Fortunately, problems are rare now, but I recommend to click the pieces rather than using the text field to avoid it.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2018-04-07 21:47:11)
unable to play my move!

<< That could seem to be a fair solution at a first sight, but of course that would create ways to "save" lost games (and/or complexify rules quite a lot). >>

Even better, you get testers for free. :P


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-08 00:19:11)
Harold Moye, man of arts... and chess

Harold was also the state Chess Champion in Idaho in 1973... a great achievement among many others, obviously.


Paul Campanella    (2018-04-09 02:31:01)
Real Poker Game

This might seem like a farfetched/crazy thought, but what if were to actually have a real Texas Holdem Game sometime this summer with the top 10 players on the list physically meeting in person at an agreed upon location?

In order to promote the site, the winners could also donate a portion of the winnings to an agreed upon charity/word organization that helps people?

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?


Scott Ligon    (2025-04-22 16:09:34)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

I have found a line for white that defeats the 15 million node strategy, so it's time for another strategy upgrade. Due to games in progress I won't specify the line now except to say that once again, it's in the Sicilian defense. Of course there may be other lines as well but one is enough.

Rather than up the node count, I will be moving on to Stockfish 17.1. Conveniently for my purposes, Stockfish 17.1 prefers to meet 1 e4 with e5 at all settings I have checked (1 million to 15 million nodes in 1 million node increments). So for now, my plan is to play Stockfish 17.1 at 10 million nodes in all upcoming games, while sticking with the strategy I started with in currently running games. Of course if I find a winning line for white against 17.1 @ 10 million I will update this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-04-15 18:52:45)
Big chess castling

Hi William,

Everything is possible, as for me I always disliked the strange castling rules at chess 960 and didn't want to complexify rules for Big Chess (now also called Sweet Chess at another website, if I remember well :))

It is too late for a change on this one, but it is always possible to create new chess variants.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-05-01 22:25:17)
Ratings inflation period

May 2018 ratings : the first effects are quite visible. A few players, who finished many games, actually more games than I expected, made a very good operation (not a problem as points always spread with time). I updated the formula to make it more coherent next time : 10 points per game, now power 0.8, will be added to the bonus.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-05-01 23:43:20)
Ratings inflation period

Examples :

(1 game) 10 power 0.8 = 10^0.8 =~ 6.3 added to bonus
(10 games) 100 power 0.8 = 100^0.8 =~ 39.8 added to bonus
(30 games) 300 power 0.8 = 300^0.8 =~ 95.8 added to bonus


To see what "bonus" is, please read:

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating


William Taylor    (2018-05-01 23:52:16)
1st King Supertournament

One of the reasons I didn't enter this tournament is that it's not clear how to guarantee compliance with the 'no databases' requirement. What happens if I need to prepare for an OTB game against a King's Gambit player? Obviously I will consult my database and theoretical works, and cannot help but have my ongoing 'King Supertournament' games in my mind.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-05-02 00:03:56)
1st King Supertournament

I think we all realize that this is not a "usual" FICGS tournament (also that this is just for fun)... and that most correspondence/advanced chess players will not enter it. But I think that FICGS needs such events from time to time, that can attract more "regular" chess players (at least by its announcements). At the end, it seems it makes the job :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-05-11 01:54:44)
New domain names for FICGS apps

Quite good news for FICGS !

As you may know, .app domains are available for a few days... I was not able to take the very best domain names (chess.app & ajedrez.app), but very good ones anyway. I hope more players will come from Google to the following:

playchess.app (english)
jugarajedrez.app (spanish)

xadrez.app (portuguese)
echecs.app (french)


These ones should be online with the Chess Trainer app within a few days... By the way I also bought:

pokerholdem.app
playgogames.app

It is really hard to find good keywords in english for the Go game... Maybe baduk.app & weiqi.app would have been better but not so sure.


Peter W. Anderson    (2018-05-15 11:29:42)
Leela Chess Zero

Hello everyone :)

I guess most people here will be aware of the Leela Chess Zero project.

I was interested in whether anyone here is already using Leela? I have run a few of my old FICGS games through it quickly and it gives very different evaluations to the standard engines in some positions - I am not sure if they are better or worse at a quick glance but they are different!

For those who aren't familiar with Leela it is an attempt to recreate something like Alpha Chess Zero for the PC. It is not yet as strong as Stockfish etc but is as strong as most grandmasters and some weaker engines and is gradually increasing in strength as it is trained. It comes in two versions: one to run on the CPU and one to run on a graphics card. A high end graphics card gives the best results, but it runs OK on CPUs.

Leela is nowhere near as tactically strong as the best engines (whether it ever will be on "normal" hardware is an open question). However, to my eyes, it generally exhibits pretty good positional judgement, and so I am figuring it could provide a useful alternative view for correspondence games.

You can contribute to this really interesting project by helping to train it by donating computer time. Helping with the training is pretty straightforward. A guide of how to help is at

https://github.com/glinscott/leela-chess/wiki/Getting-Started

A forum and progress chart is at

http://lczero.org/

I found getting it to run under GUI's as an analysis tool a little more fiddly as it not yet fully UCI compliant. However, I have got it to run OK under Chessbase, Shredder, and Arena OK for analysis. For running matches Arena or something like Cutechess may be best.

I would interested to know your thoughts on this.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-05-29 02:37:09)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques

Hi all! As you may know, Chessbase chess engine Komodo 12 is now promoted as having a Monte Carlo version, looking like AlphaZero algorithms... It would play a more human-like style. But does it really make a difference on a "normal" computer? It would be about 30 elo points stronger than Komodo 11 (quite a good improvement anyway)

Any tests or thoughts?


Peter W. Anderson    (2018-06-01 18:36:45)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques

Well I am a bit sceptical Thib.

Yes it is using Monte Carlo, but it is not using a neural network which is what made AlphaZero interesting (and hopefully will eventually make Leela really special).

The Monte Carlo version of Komodo is a lot weaker than Komodo 11 at the moment and time will tell if the Monte Carlo version will ever be as strong as alpha-beta searching, but my guess is that for normal engines it will not be as strong.

As an aside, the claim of a 30 Elo improvement from version 11 to 12 of normal Komodeo may be a bit extravagent judging by the ccrl rating lists.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-06-01 23:04:32)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques

To say it all, I am a bit skeptical too and I agree with your opinion on Monte Carlo vs. Alpha-Beta in chess (but in certain positions types, maybe). CEGT rating lists seem to confirm that 30 elo points may be too optimistic as well.


Peter W. Anderson    (2018-06-02 09:21:07)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques

My gut feeling is that Monte Carlo is most applicable to the opening, but I am not sure that is better than alpha-beta even there.

By the way, in my judgement Leela is already very strong in the opening. If I was still playing correspondence I would be using Leela to help prepare openings.


Steven DuCharme    (2018-06-05 21:51:30)
Daily Chess World Championship

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Thibault de Vassal    (2018-07-29 18:27:22)
On (almost) global forfeits in WCH

Thanks Gabriele for sharing your point of view (we always need more :-))... that's a part of the problem IMO, even a balanced percentage may/will not satisfy everyone as soon as any percentage below can suddenly decide the winner of the tournament. And of course, there are many reasons to lose only one game on time (or to have to resign it for personal matters).


Christoph Schroeder    (2018-08-14 18:17:02)
7 pieces tablebases

Some years ago, ICCF has introduced a very useful rule: as soos as a 7 men position is reached, players have the right to claim a win resp. a draw according to what the tablebase says.

Can this be implemented here, too?


Christoph Schroeder    (2018-08-14 18:24:07)
poker reflection time

In chess, an increment of 1 day per move is sensible and leads to manageable game lengths.

But in poker?
A poker game (consisting of up to 5 rounds) can have thousands of moves (that is another dimension compared to ~50 in chess). Therefore, I consider the current increment (1 day per move) as much too high.

My proposal: the increment should be one day per hand.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2018-08-21 11:26:20)
poker reflection time

Or just use "increment : 1 day / hand)" instead of "1 day / move".


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-09-07 16:57:06)
Netiquette reinforcement

Hi all,

Following a few problems of provocation and repeated draw offers, I propose to reinforce and specify the netiquette to help players finding the right things to do according to the situation...

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general


Particularly this paragraph:

"It is possible to leave public comments for your games and to send private messages to other members. No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly serveral times in a row. Doing so may lead to instantly lose the game, and/or being immediately and permanently banned.

If a player receives such a message, he may use the "report" link and accepts to use the "block" link that appears then (when playing a move) rather than replying to it. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and may lead to get a limited access to the server during a few weeks, at the moderator's discretion. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.

To maintain a friendly community, any cheating complaint should be addressed to the referee and should not be made publicly in games comments or in the forum, otherwise with the same consequences. Please note that no time will be added to any clock in any case, the game will continue in all cases, in example arguing to wait for the referee's decision will not be accepted. Finally, you agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit.

Publication of a private message without the authors expressed permission is strictly forbidden."


A big difference (I hope) is in the small add "Doing so may lead to instantly lose the game (...)". Better or worst? Any opinions or ideas?


Rotom Monotua    (2018-09-07 20:20:02)
Netiquette reinforcement

Manners are important - therefore I would suggest "will lead to instantly lose the game" instead of may...


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-09-07 20:40:30)
Netiquette reinforcement

I agree, but it should be avoided that a few understand there that "any kind of message that seem provocative according to anyone will lead to instantly lose a game"... only a moderator/referee should decide it, probably.

Even if this remains quite fuzzy in all cases, the main idea is here: a threat is stronger than execution.

But... you may be right at the end, we'll see... I'll update it if this reveals to be not efficient enough.


Garvin Gray    (2018-09-08 02:29:41)
Netiquette reinforcement

I have a couple of revisions to the rules that I would like to see. Some of these do come from otb practices, but they also apply here.

In otb, when a player wants to make a claim to the arbiter, or wants to make a complaint to the arbiter about their opponent (for any reason), they stop the clock and call for the arbiter (or find the arbiter themselves in a large hall).

Then the arbiter will rule on the claim, make any decisions about the game, adjust the times on the clocks if necessary, and then start the clocks again.

So for FICGS, I think there should be a change here. When a player presses call referee, the clocks should be stopped/frozen. Currently, the clocks keep running.

This is wrong. The player has called for the arbiter, but the clocks keep running.

If the arbiter (Thibault in this case) rules that the player had no grounds to call the referee, then he can apply a time penalty and take time off the clocks of the person who stopped the clocks.


Garvin Gray    (2018-09-08 02:32:52)
Netiquette reinforcement

As to whether the wording should be may or will- the correct wording is MAY. The reason I say may is that by saying will lose the game is that this restricts the arbiter to only enforcing a penalty of lose of game.

Sometimes not all situations will require a loss of game penalty, and then other times, an even greater penalty than loss of game will be required.

Hence why MAY is the correct wording.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-09-08 04:05:12)
Netiquette reinforcement

Many thanks for sharing your views Garvin.

Well, this is very relevant OTB, I agree. I'm not sure of what happens if a player abuses of complaints (e.g. to gain some time), which is probably unlikely in all cases, but anyway I imagine that a correspondence chess game could continue before to decide any problem related to provocative messages or repeated draw offers at least. And, of course, it makes it much more simple (at a first sight).

Maybe let's give it a try unless you think about clear examples where it couldn't work already, then I'll make such a change if it doesn't prove to be efficient.


Garvin Gray    (2018-09-08 04:28:48)
Netiquette reinforcement

If a player clicks on call referee to make a complaint and that stops the clock and you determine that the claim is pointless, or worse, that you believe the player has 'stopped the clocks' to try and gain an advantage, then you are free to determine what penalty is applied from the range of penalties that are available to you:

1) Warning,
2) Increasing the remaining time of the opponent,
3) Reducing the remaining time of the offending player,
4) Increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available for that game,
5) Reducing the points scored in the game by the offending person,
6) Declaring the game to be lost by the offending player (the arbiter shall also decide the opponent’s score),
7) Exclusion from one or more rounds,
8) Expulsion from the competition.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-09-08 22:29:33)
Netiquette reinforcement

That's right. Still, it needs more actions & human decisions (that will probably be discussed). So let's try the current system before to envisage this one.

Also, I'm not sure what points 4) & 5) exactly mean in the context of a chess tournament, and if it would be fair in all cases?!


Garvin Gray    (2018-09-09 02:43:30)
Netiquette reinforcement

4, 5 and 6 need to be read together.

4 and 5 are where the arbiter declared the game lost for the player who breached the rules. The arbiter then needs to decide what score to award the opponent.

So 4 is to increase the points scored in the game to the maximum available for that game. This usually is 1 point.

5 is reducing the offenders score to zero.

What these two provisions also cover is where an offence is found out later in the tournament. So for here on ficgs, the arbiter found out that late in a tournament that one player had been abusing opponents regularly.

4 and 5 allows you to adjusts the scores of those completed games.

6 declares lost the game by the offending player. But the reason for the provision of 'deciding the opponents score' is that a position on the board might arise where the non-offender might not be able to construct a checkmate position with the material they have (lets say just a bare king). Then the score would be (0 - 0.5). The offender scores zero and the non offender, who can not win the game because they can not checkmate their opponent, receives 0.5

7 and 8 should be 'self explanatory'.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-09-24 00:15:43)
Some questions to H. Kruse, WCH finalist

After that the last FICGS chess WCH final match finished, the choice was made again to ask a few questions to Eros Riccio's challenger: Herbert Kruse, for the 2nd time. He kindly accepted to answer it so let's learn a bit more on our top-ranked correspondence chess player.

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Hello Herbert, you're not really a player to introduce as you're very active here and at several chess websites for years, with outstanding ratings in each one (as far as I know), you're the 1st FICGS CUP winner & several times FICGS WCH challenger, each time facing "the wall" Eros Riccio, what could you tell us about yourself particularly as a chess & correspondence chess player?

- i began late with 16 to play my first tournament game, but with 18 i already was kicked out of a night club in company with tony miles ;) (dresscode) had vlastimil hort as trainer for a short time and played in teams with gutman, michalchisin, klovans, gipslis and some other GMs. corr chess i began, because i love to find the truth and because of freestyle, where i began to build very strong computers


What kind of computers do you build? Is it all dedicated to chess?

- i have several dual xeon e5 computers with 64gb ddr3 and 16 to 20 real cores and they all play chess ;)


Once again, GM Eros Riccio managed to draw the 12 games of the match. What are your feelings on these games? How did you estimate your chances to destabilize your opponent in the openings and to create complications enough with White (or Black)?

- this time my feelings were neutral. 1% chances to win, but i hoped he would lose his concentration if i began more games with him (we played 6 other games at the same time)


Doesn't "1% chances to win (the match)" mean about 0.17% to win only one game with White, even when losing one with Black? Isn't it a bit pessimistic after all, or is it the new so called Riccio-effect? :)

- if the strongest players face each other there is no win possible, except some has a mouse slep or forgot something during human interfacing


When did you start playing correspondence chess and what changed since that time? What attracted you most in the game?

- 2004 and evaluation of the position is the key point of improvement since then. attractive was to be better than actual world class players :)


Could you tell us anything on the way you work chess and play your correspondence games? Any tip or secret? (nothing to lose to ask :))

- with black i play for fastest way to 0.00 and with white i try every promising way to make a game for a longer time complicated


Do you use several ones at the same time when analyzing a game? (still grabbing some tips)

- i only use the newest stockfish versions of brainfish and corchess because the other engines are not so good. because i have many games i decide which one gets the most cores and time and let them run in infinity mode until i am happy that can be after 1 week or more sometimes.


You're not far to rank 2nd as a poker player at FICGS, you obviously started to take on Big Chess as well. What other games do you play? Did you consider to play Go already?

- i played go against the german champion and lost so i quit :)) played backgammon money game and internet (in fibs with kit woolsey i played over 100 matches) in bridge i was best bidder in germany 1994 to 1995, but dont play much nowadays


Do you have specific goals to achieve as a player?

- 2 goals, since a long time: be ficgs world champion and win one german bridge championship


How do you imagine correspondence chess evolution within a decade? What kind of engines/computers do you expect to use and what will look like centaur chess according to you? (in other words, what part will remain to the human player in the decision?)

- i think the engines today are already unbeatable, so in 20 years the would still not lose and chess is dead since about 4 years


What did you think about Google Deepmind's Alpha Zero performance vs. Stockfish?

- it was a joke because they let a bad version of stockfish play. i would not have lost one game against az0 and maybe won 2 til 5 out of 100


Conditions of this AlphaZero vs. Stockfish match were very specific (opening books, unbalanced hardware...) What weaknesses did you detect in AlphaZero play?

- it was the lack of precision, what would let it lose against stockfish in its tuned newest version but i look from a view of a player who is used to play with deep 60 :)


It seems that computers did not completely take on Bridge yet, what do you expect within a decade?

- i have not seen bridge programms, but the game is so easy that it must be already mastered by computers


Wilhelm Schuett    (2018-09-29 03:47:25)
How to pass in the game?

And if both are passing the system will count automatically?


Rotom Monotua    (2018-10-08 23:33:28)
No engine tournaments, no, no

At the moment I am playing the King Supertournament which is great fun - but I have to say it seems there are a handful of players who arent playing by the rules - therefore I am a little disappointed....

To me it looks like no engine tournaments are not really possible.


Christoph Schroeder    (2018-10-22 18:18:29)
Resigning in poker

Resigning in poker is absolutely uncommon. I cannot imagine any situation in which resigning a match or a round would be a reasonable option. Even if a player is trailing 0-2, he still has chances to win the match. So why would anybody consider to resign?

Moreover, the "resign" button is irritating, because it is unclear if resigning means resigning the current round or the current match.

Therefore, I propose to remove the "resign"-button completely.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-10-23 17:58:03)
Resigning in poker

Well, let's see how this discussion evolves (any other opinion?).

My first idea would be to let it like in other games for more coherence... but I'm not really opposed to remove it (maybe when there's no message from the opponent at least) if the most agrees with that.


William Taylor    (2018-10-27 12:03:10)
World Championship Tie-breaks

For many years, the reigning classical world chess champion had draw odds. The chess world eventually realised this was both unfair to the challenger and uninteresting for the spectators, and introduced a rapid and blitz playoff match for use in the event that the players remained tied after the classical portion of the match. There have always been, and will continue to be grumbles about this system (mostly that the classical WC should be decided by classical games), but overall it is popular (as I imagine can be seen from online viewing figures from the Carlsen-Karjakin match, for example) and, to my mind at least, fairer than the alternative. I propose something similar for the FICGS WC match: an advanced chess tie-break match. Granted, there is the same objection as for the classical WC match - advanced chess is not the same as correspondence chess. However, the combatants will already have had ample opportunity (12 games) to decide matters in that format. An advanced chess tie-break would provide much more sporting interest, as the current system is becoming a bit predictable (this is not in any way a dig at the incumbent, Eros Riccio, who is just doing what he has to do, and doing it very well). I think the match would also be great for promoting FICGS - you could stream it live on Twitch, for example, perhaps with commentary. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2018-10-28 22:56:53)
World Championship Tie-breaks

Just force them to play tie-breaker(s) in the game which hasn't draw (as possible result) - for example, poker or go/baduk.


William Taylor    (2018-10-30 12:05:46)
New Chess Record...

Remarkable, but still some way short of Tiviakov's record. (Ding has of course been playing much stronger players than Tiv.)


Zack Stephen    (2018-10-30 13:14:19)
World Championship Tie-breaks

agree with William, eros can draw these matches with his eyes closed at this point, he can easily be champion for the foreseeable future unless a format change is made.

Some other ideas for consideration: Force specific opening thematics in the final (ie each has to play black/white of a kings gambit, or other speculative openings

Don't provide the +1 day for each move. Make the games a set amount of time say 45 days for 60 moves

Make each side play BIG, random, or other variants as tie breaker until a winner is determined


Ilmars Cirulis    (2018-10-30 18:57:46)
World Championship Tie-breaks

I don't see any problem with Eros being champion like forever. The games still have to be drawn, and quality of them are great anyway. :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-10-31 03:04:21)
World Championship Tie-breaks

Well, the 1 day per move rule has several reasons to remain (including avoiding more forfeits/losses on time), and coherence is really important IMO. I do not agree that Eros cannot be beaten (I couldn't do it by myself though ^^), I trust Murphy's law :) I see several reasons to all these consecutive victories, Eros explained many by himself, and I don't think it's enough to change the format, by the way we now have the CUP format for all players who prefer other parameters (thanks Garvin!).

As for Twitch & other good ideas like this, truth is that there should have been many Freestyle tournaments these last years but I couldn't organize it anymore and still can't at the moment :/ But most important is that despite of computers supremacy in correspondence chess, now Go & poker holdem, I'm convinced that the best years of FICGS are to come, and it will bring more competition, new champions & good things. Let's wait & see!


William Taylor    (2018-10-31 14:48:02)
World Championship Tie-breaks

Fair enough, Thib. Maybe Demis Hassabis could win a game against Eros, but I don't see anyone else doing it. :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-11-17 18:56:30)
Carlsen Caruana wch match

As for me, I was not able to follow the 1st Kasparov-Karpov match, but well, it was a complete different context, with probably other kinds of excitement added to the chess thing. I can't really compare but a fact is that about noone is aware of this Carlsen-Caruana event. Finally, I'm not sure if it can be compared in any way.


Garvin Gray    (2018-11-18 03:12:48)
World Championship Groups

I see in the chat box there is a comment about adding players for a new group in the WCH.

This should not be allowed and is a bad idea. The original groups were worked out based on ratings available at the close of entry.

And also now this new group will be a rating scattered group, rather than being similar to the others.

Players have protested before about adding players and new groups well after the entry deadline has passed. I have frankly had a gutful of having to protest about it.

It is one of main things that is turning me off this site. Having to keep protesting against items on this site when others have said similar viewpoints to mine, but the site owner keeps trying to sneak in his ideas via the backdoor.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-11-18 01:32:48)
Carlsen Caruana wch match

At least the openings are interesting... games 5 & 6 are good examples. This Petroff line could be a thematic tournament soon here.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-11-18 23:42:18)
World Championship Groups

Hi Garvin! Yes, I remember it was an important point in our discussion about the CUP cycle (where the rule is 100% strict on this point)... Of course, I always built additional WCH groups if the distribution was very similar. Quite the same about replacements, groups were changed if the elo average was about the same. Just an opportunity for late players to get in and to complete groups if there were 2 or 3 forfeits... It cannot be completely bad, don't you think?


Garvin Gray    (2018-11-19 02:36:26)
World Championship Groups

Ok, please clarify- your comment in the chat box is: A few more players for an additional chess WCH group?

The key word to me is 'additional' chess Wch group.

In your latest reply, you say accepting a few later runners to add as replacements into existing groups to substitute for those who have not started their games or forfeited out.

I have no real objection to the later, but I have a strong objection to creating a completely new group from those who did not enter on time and that new group could potentially not be as strong and evenly distributed for ratings from the original WCH groups.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-11-19 21:31:46)
Some questions to H. Kruse, WCH finalist

It seems to me that Herbert & Eros both gave an answer to this question.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-11-19 21:48:45)
World Championship Tie-breaks

This discussion is clearly provocation... That's not the first time (this week). Please read the netiquette, rules may apply.

http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general

My role is not to delete such posts each time it appears, particularly several times in a week, so if one of the authors really wants me to do it, rules will apply instantly and he'll go to the silent mode.


Paul Larwinski    (2018-11-19 22:21:46)
World Championship Tie-breaks

and of discussion with you all

you seems to be on one side , this let me think of you

and i hope next ficgs.com is a french, this is a french site not german one


Paul Larwinski    (2018-11-19 22:22:44)
World Championship Tie-breaks

end of discussion with you all

you seems to be on one side , this let me think of you

and i hope next ficgs.com is a french, this is a french site not german one


William Taylor    (2018-12-06 22:50:39)
AlphaZero 2.0

The result seems very conclusive again. For those who were concerned about the time control last time, that has been addressed. A couple of news articles:
https://www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/alphazero-really-is-that-good


Wilhelm Schuett    (2018-12-18 04:34:05)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 allows Dragodorf.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2018-12-18 04:36:46)
Thematic tournaments?

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 offers choices for both


Wilhelm Schuett    (2018-12-20 23:27:38)
Thematic tournaments?

Did we ever had the French Burn Variation?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-12-21 03:38:54)
Thematic tournaments?

I don't think so... now in the todo list :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-12-21 03:41:08)
Thematic request- Sicilian Dragon

A very old thread... 6 years after, @Paul: yes, I heard that too, but still hard to prove :)

@Wilhelm: another one in the todo list.


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-12-26 02:05:53)
poker: not enough chips to pay BB

In many ways, FICGS built its own rules (sometimes intentionally but not always), in this case I cannot remember well but I may have thought that it is a bit unfair to lose the last chips without any fight, after all the situation is hard enough there :) But you're right & maybe I could have moved the chips in the next round, most probably I did not think about that.


Yeturu Aahlad    (2018-12-26 19:36:58)
poker: not enough chips to pay BB

https://www.cardplayer.com/rules-of-poker/tournaments
If a player lacks sufficient chips for a blind or a forced bet, the player is entitled to get action on whatever amount of money remains. A player who posts a short blind and wins does not need to make up the blind.


George Jempty    (2019-01-19 22:33:44)
Thematic tournaments?

I propose Bishop's Gambit. If you play 1.e4 e5 as Black you probably need to know it. And if you play the same as White, it could be a good surprise weapon.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2019-01-24 10:19:24)
Thematic tournaments?

Najdorf Poisoned pawn - did we have that already?


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-01-24 18:58:12)
James Romig

Hi all,

Well, it seems to me that a website administrator shouldn't intervene in players private life / ask for or discuss players private life if it does not come from players or players families (as it happens regularly, most often for bad news).

Of course general forfeits happen quite/too often, sometimes there are expressed concerns from other players, sometimes unexpressed concerns or nothing at all, whatever... so IMO the website administrator/referee shouldn't have to act according to such criteria.

Finally, it seems to me that we have to wait for news (but of course friends can contact each other).

As Garvin said, sometimes players make some choices (e.g. if not taking vacation days for any reason is considered as a choice) and there may be unfortunate consequences for themselves & for their opponents. That's what can happen on chess websites... more than in real tournaments, of course.


Kym Farnik    (2019-01-26 14:15:05)
James Romig

On another forum I had to chase a missing well known and respected member.

Sadly, he had passed away. It is not easy but this is an online *community* so some effort to find out if a long standing member is ok is needed.

I pray James in well and just has a tech issue.


William Taylor    (2019-01-28 16:17:51)
James Romig

Thib - it seems you might have misinterpreted what Kym said. He isn't saying that James has died - he's saying that someone else on another forum has and that he hopes that's not the case with James.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2019-02-09 14:49:16)
Thematic tournaments?

I don't know. A good question. Sicilian offers a lot of possibilities.


Garvin Gray    (2019-02-12 03:37:36)
James Romig

Unfortunately, I have experience in this area of attempting to find out what had had happened to a regular correspondence chess player who suddenly stopped playing mid event.

After a lot of internet searching and looking up country records, I was able to find some family information and contacted them in Spain.

They wrote back about two weeks later to confirm that the player in question had passed away about two months previously at aged 36.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2019-02-13 14:15:25)
Advice for correspondence chess players

Some variation of MultiPV, it seems. The second best move.


Kym Farnik    (2019-02-16 03:14:03)
Remo Pareschi ?

Remo Pareschi is another member gone quiet.

I have had some good games with him.

Anyone know anything?


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-02-26 22:50:11)
delete my account

You found several ways ("My account", email or here in the forum).

Best wishes,
Thibault


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-02-26 22:50:48)
Remo Pareschi ?

Unfortunately (as for me), no.


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-03-01 20:08:18)
Best Opening Move?

It seems that AlphaZero prefers 1.d4 or 1.c4 ... I guess he has good reasons :)


Graham Kerr    (2019-03-02 00:37:35)
Remo Pareschi ?

He timed-out in a game against me too...


Fred de la Foret    (2019-03-02 17:40:51)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?

Is the King's Gambit a bad opening to play for correspondence chess engine players ? It seems to be only a futile opening in failure against strong chess engines.


Abdulsamad Sujas    (2019-03-02 17:54:14)
AlphaZero 2.0

What you posted is not Alpha zero. It is Leela zero, which is same as alpha zero in terms of using neural networks.
It learns by playing itself

Google Leela zero to get info. It is free engine, and need some software knowledge to install. There are YouTube videos and some sites. Find by yourself
. I was using it in my system but problem it is losing on time. Don't know why. But it is now rated no.2 in cc engine matches. Just neck to neck with stockfish.


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-03-02 19:34:23)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?

I can't say if it is "bad", but in my opinion it is quite hard to play against experienced players. So yes, I agree on this one. But it remains a great opening to try OTB or without engines!


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-03-18 22:59:01)
Leela Chess Zero & neural networks

Month after month, it looks like Leela Chess Zero is taking on computer chess... what do you think? Actually neural networks engines could even solve the future CPU problem (i9 and Threadripper seem much stronger than the first versions of i7 but what next... technology seems to reach some limits) by using GPU in an efficient way instead.

Does anyone use it to analyze correspondence chess games already?

In my opinion, most top centaur players will use Leela or another neural network chess engine (more or less based on ideas that made the success of AlphaZero) within 1 year...

Actually, I'm more and more concerned with the spectacular way & speed A.I. now improves, I just spent some time to understand it better and I wouldn't be surprised if our societies are really shaked in many ways (and more and more) within the next few years.


Steven DuCharme    (2019-05-23 01:40:02)
New rating system

Start at 10K. Draws don't affect ratings. Ratings adjust via formula 250 - number of loser's moves. Combined adjustment is neitral. No floor or ceiling. ur welcome


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-05-23 22:33:34)
NEW RATING SYSTEM

Reinventing a rating system is always audacious :) So draws wouldn't be considered at all? It seems to me that would become a complete new game (but why not... if we call it "brutal chess", maybe :))


John Hadden    (2019-06-22 21:12:53)
Android App not working

Hi, Not sure if this is your problem - or samsung's but I noticed just recently after the samsung internet browser on my phone updated the ficgs app stopped working. When I open it it comes up with a blank screen and 'fatal error'.


Leon Pereira    (2019-06-23 08:20:58)
Tournament

I did not receive any notification that the tournament was starting. Did not receive any notification when a games starts. WTF? Just keep getting emails that I have lost. Please drop me from the tournament. This is ridiculous.


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-06-23 11:42:16)
Tournament

Hello Leon,

All games in a tournament start at the same time, indeed you should have received an email about this. Is there any chance that it was filtered in a spam folder?


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-06-25 12:09:38)
Android App not working

So far, another user encountered the same problem on a Samsung A7 2018 and Huawei 10 m5 lite.

"Unfortunately", it works fine here on all devices so I can't test it more. If anyone solves this problem, please just tell us what was the solution, it could help. Many thanks in advance!


John Hadden    (2019-06-25 13:44:49)
Android App not working

There is an app called 'lookout' and another called smart manager installed on the phone - but I've never noticed them do anything blocking websites or anything. I don't normally use the samsung browser - I use chrome instead - so not sure if there is anything antivirus in there - but I think the ficgs app uses it as the default browser (or at least it looks like it does).


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-06-25 15:23:47)
Android App not working

Well, maybe that changing the default browser solves the problem for FICGS apps, but that's not a clean solution...

https://www.google.com/search?q=android+change+default+browser

I'm inquiring on a better way.


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-07-29 23:51:20)
Android App not working

It seems that 2 players just encountered the same problem again today (while no update was made since that time). Any others?


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-08-02 19:56:12)
Android App not working

Finally, if necessary uninstalling then installing again (the new version) should solve the problem.


Dino Hsu    (2019-08-19 18:20:41)
Where is my finished go game?

Under "My games", it seems I cannot see finished games, I am not even sure about the result. Any advice?
Thanks, Dino


Marcio B. Oliveira    (2019-09-24 21:12:56)
World Championship Groups

What happens if all games in a WCH Semi Final group are drawn?
And if both players win a game?


Garvin Gray    (2019-11-10 12:08:50)
Fat Fritz vs. Stockfish

Interesting this post has been made. I was about to ask what people think of Komodo 13 and how many cpu's do they think it requires to get the full value of Komodo 13.

When AlphaZero 'won' against Stockfish, I think I was one of the first posters that I saw who criticised the conditions and that Stockfish was almost handicapped out of the match.

This match between Fat Fritz and Stockfish seems to have had more even conditions, but I do wonder if the Stockfish 10 engine, was just the one straight off the download, or whether the Stockfish designers were consulted and allowed to tune their engine for the match, just like Fat Fritz would have been.

Those items I think are most important in making any conclusions about how much better Fat Fritz is in front of Stockfish.

And I am always left to wonder about two items when I hear about the results of these matches:

1) Stockfish feels like a very good engine to analyse your correspondence chess games with, but when it is put against some of the other top engines in head to head competitions, it competes well, but loses by a small amount.

So it feels to me like Stockfish has been designed for a purpose, to assist people with their correspondence chess analysis, rather than just being a brute force engine killer.

I would like to see Komodo and Houdini against Fat Fritz or any other contender, with equal conditions and both of those engines having being tuned for the match before hand.


Steven DuCharme    (2019-11-17 17:28:43)
CC Server World Championship Tournament

I have contacted the top player from about 40 sites with the hope they will battle for global supremacy. A forum topic with the title name is at chesstempo.com where games will be played. Optional money play is available at chesshere.com...Herbert Kruse has accepted my invite but has not signed in at chesstempo yet. He is the first and hopefully not the last to respond.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-06-21 13:42:20)
Fat Fritz 2 vs. Stockfish 13

Chess engines still evolve, now we have Stock... err, Fat Fritz 2 (based on Stockfish 12) on Fritz 17 GUI, and the famous free chess engine Stockfish 13, both using neural networks on CPU and not GPU anymore (if I understood well).

Did anyone try both of them to compare it, or to compare to former versions like Stockfish 11 ? What learnings?


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-11-28 12:08:42)
Lee Sedol quits Go because of A.I.

Finally, is it time for Go players to play "advanced Go"? Would it make sense like it used to be at chess?

Meanwhile, Go champion Lee Sedol resigns (it seems for several reasons actually, now ranked #54 at GoRatings.org - by the way the full rating list is worth to watch until rank 800)

So, we human will not probably beat what will replace AlphaZero in the future, but as in chess we could learn a lot from it, if not build great centaur teams.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50573071


Thibault de Vassal    (2019-12-05 21:32:38)
IECG chess-server.net

Does anyone know how things are going at (IECG) chess-server.net ?

For those who don't know, this correspondence chess server was born at about the same time as FICGS (for about the same reasons) as an evolution for IECG where I used to play correspondence chess by email until 2006, so it's kind of "big brother" by history and "little brother" by chronology... and quite different on many points AFAIK.

As far as I know many of the IECG players continued to play there, after that many joined us here (FICGS started maybe few weeks before). As for me of course I concentrated to play at FICGS all these years so I'm not really aware about Ortwin's server. Now I can see that its traffic recently went badly down (like many chess servers actually and even very impressive ones)... that's the reason for this post: any news about it?


Zeljko Cirovic    (2020-01-16 12:36:22)
IECG chess-server.net

STILL NOT START...FICGS__CHESS__KING_SUPERTOURNAMENT__000006
(type : unrated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)


Deadline : 2019 september 1st
Thematic chess, first moves : e4 e5 f4


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-01-16 15:22:02)
IECG chess-server.net

Sure it started on september 1st, but the next one will start soon... the waiting list will be updated.


Ty Bowen    (2020-01-23 15:12:37)
Lee Sedol quits Go because of A.I.

This isn't accurate. His retirement date was set long before AlphaGo.


Christoph Schroeder    (2020-01-28 23:00:27)
Waiting lists

Enabling to remove oneself from a waiting list should be given a higher priority.
Recently, I "played" a go tournament where all 6 opponents were non-starters. The high percentage of non-starters (not only in go but also in poker and chess) could AND SHOULD drastically be reduced by creating a possibility to step down before the tornament starts.


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-01-30 21:10:34)
Vacation suggestion

Ah, I remember that was the first version of the vacation system I tried to make... but there were massive difficulties for different reasons. I must say that building FICGS piece after piece brought problems unlike if it was globally thought for all those options from the start :/ The mystery was in my head 14 years ago ^^


Charles Bovary    (2020-02-19 14:14:48)
IECG chess-server.net

Playing here and there. I must confess this email-stuff bothers me, but its ok by now.Playing the IECG championhip actually the rest is too clumsy:-)


Christoph Schroeder    (2020-02-21 14:33:09)
Game decided by tablebase

Once this rule is established, I am sure that the cases where the arbiter has to be calles will be extremely rare.


Charles Bovary    (2020-02-21 17:59:00)
Game decided by tablebase

As part of the ICCF rules:
7-piece tablebase:5.1.3. A data set or program that indicates forcible outcomes (with best play) when there are 7or fewer pieces remaining on the board.
Referring to in your players feature the game comes to a forced end, if your claim is correct. The TD is the one confirming that your claim is correct. Adjudication is done automatically by the server.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-02-28 05:34:25)
Thematic tournaments?

two english ideas: 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 c5 3.g3 d5 (and e6 4.Nf3 b6 5.Bg2 Bb7) 4.cd5 Nxd5 5.Bg2 Nc7


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2020-02-28 12:00:41)
Thematic tournaments?

Norfolk 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 c5 3.e4 or Noteboom


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-02-28 21:35:34)
Thematic tournaments?

Let's try Wilhelm's first english line... thanks!


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-03-02 20:44:28)
Chess WCH #22 (march 1st, 2020)

Dear chessfriends,

This time, the correspondence chess rating list was updated just after that the new correspondence chess WCH cycle started, this is not really usual (and the answer is yes, I forgot to update it) but it can happen and it happened before... Just to remind that there is no particular rule about this, so one can't expect a 100% deterministic situation when a championship starts.

Best of luck everyone :)


Garvin Gray    (2020-03-04 05:29:14)
Wch groups, less than 7 players

I have asked Thibault a long time ago about this topic, but it has occurred again.

The rules for the WCH is that if a group has less than 7 players, it may be played as a double round robin.

I think this rule should be changed to: If any groups have less than 7 players, then each of those groups will be a double round robin.

I propose this for discussion, and hopefully agreement as I think it is not helpful for the event to hold groups of 5 and only have 4 games for each player.

If one player times out a game in that group, then that result counts for 25% percent of their opponents total score, whilst the rest of the opponents have to battle against that opponent for the full point.

So, I believe with groups less than 7, double round robin should be used. This will make the winner more meaningful and also reduce the impact of any time outs.


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-03-07 22:53:49)
Wch groups, less than 7 players

Well, I can't remember it has been discussed before, but I agree anyway... Unless other players think & argue that it is not a good idea, rules will be updated.

Thanks Garvin!


Daniel Parmet    (2020-04-28 22:59:06)
The State of correspondence chess

I have played correspondence chess now for 13 years. During that time, I have played 983 correspondence games. These days I mostly play at ICCF and some of these issues may be ICCF specific... but since ICCF has no forum and I want to get a sense of the health of correspondence chess in general... I posit my thoughts here.

First of all, I think the number of correspondence players and the number of correspondence games are decreasing across the board on all correspondence websites due to the things I want to talk about.

Second, I primarily shifted my playing to ICCF years ago for two reasons: 1) The higher level of competition available; 2) The norms available. Although I was concerned with their fees which are usually minor but, in many cases, certain organizers do construct outlandish tournaments that you need to be wary of (looking at you Venezuela).

On the first point, I think ICCF is a little more open to high caliber players competing up until a point (they really try to prevent you from playing a 2450+ player until you are 2450+ yourself). And the rating protections get tougher and tougher the further you go but they make it easy to play 2300 players. While most websites outside of ICCF, usually have one annual Cup / WCH or Thematics, these other websites usually make it impossible to play anyone more than a few hundred points above you no matter your rating outside of these few events.

On the second point, I think ICCF norms are somewhat of an illusion. They’ve always been hard and much harder to achieve than OTB norms which received a watering down of requirements of decades ago. In fact, ICCF norms are so much harder than FIDE norms that one actually needs to achieve two norms to receive the prerequisite title in ICCF vs the standard three norms required by FIDE. In the US, for example, there are 116 ICCF Titled players in history (13 GMs, 25 SIM, 78 IMs) vs 828 FIDE Titled players in present (101 GMs 166 IM 561 FMs) [https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml]. Now however, there is a proposal, for the ICCF GM Title only, proposed by Dennis Doren, ICCF Rules Commissioner who really does a lot for correspondence chess, and SIM Uwe Staroske, ICCF Qualifications and Ratings Commissioner, to remove the requirement to have to play GMs to get the GM Title [leaving IM and SIM untouched] [https://www.iccf.com/Proposal.aspx?id=1280]. This proposal states, “A search of the ICCF data indicates that 21 players obtained at least 2 GM norms across 24 games but failed to get the GM title because of the requirement of "5 GM" opponents. (Only 5 of those players are currently active).†Leaving aside the fact that this proposal violates the very definition of the GM Title, one must beat the club in order to join it, the proposal further outlines the real problems without addressing them, “The GM Title has already become far harder to earn than it used to be, due to the rating suppression caused by the increase in draws.†Wow, let’s unpack that one line because it is a doozy!

Really, this one line, that is easily overlooked, is two huge problems that correspondence is facing: 1) death by one thousand draw paper cuts and 2) rating deflation. I will argue later that there is a third huge problem but let’s start with the ones acknowledged by ICCF itself. Every correspondence player knows the draw rate is going up. As engines and hardware get stronger, players are able to save positions that in the past would have been lost and we are finding ever easier ways to head straight towards 0.00 as Black. I would love to see a detailed analysis that describes how much harder it has become to win as Black against a decent correspondence player (let’s say someone 2300+). In the last five years, I have beaten three 2300+ players as Black without counting mouseslips (one in 2015, one in 2016 and one any day now in 2020) despite playing extremely aggressive openings like the KID (for the record that’s three Black wins out 103 Black draws or 2.91% Win rate). That may be part of the draw problem, but I have witnessed my own draw rate skyrocket 2014: 82.4% 2015: 86.7% 2016: 90.2% 2017: 90.6% 2018: 91% 2019 is still in progress. Often for these norms, you need to score +2, +3, +4 or +5 despite the fact that +1 usually wins the event… and with the draw rate North of 90% in a 12-13 game event that means you are likely to win 1 game on average… but in many events the entire cross table often sees one to three entire wins (look at a recently completed tournament here where I scored my first IM norm that required +0 and I scored +1). My win was one of five wins in the entire tournament 100/105 = 95.2% draw rate! [https://www.iccf.com/event?id=73482]. People love to tell me that’s fine because we are talking about such a weak event as Category 8 [2449 was the rating average]. Fine, I do not accept your argument but let’s look at the World Championship then shall we? Let’s look at the most recently concluded World Championship 30 which finished on 10/2/2019, Category 13 [2562 was the rating average]. This event was won by the new World Champion SIM Kochemasov, Andrey Leonidovich 2540 [https://www.iccf.com/event?id=66745]. Congrats to the new World Champion on his two wins! The event had 8 decisive games out 136 or a draw rate of 91.2% (not far off my own). But wait did I say SIM? I did. In fact, congratulations to the World Champion on scoring his final GM norm as well! This World Championship saw 5 SIMs compete in a field with 12 GMs. While 3 of the SIMs finished 1st 2nd and 3rd, only our new World Champion scored a GM norm. The problem is with all the draws that norms are not just becoming hard, but maintaining or increasing one’s rating is becoming hard. And one’s rating is how one receives any decent invites to have a chance at a norm in the first place.

The draws are a death by one thousand cuts as I recently played one of the ICCF’s proposal’s outlined “21 players that could have obtained a GM norm.†My rating is 2389 and his rating is 2504 (although SIM, he is recognized by all his peers as a GM caliber player). As Black, I obtained an easy draw without ever being in any trouble at all. The player had a rather angry initial discussion with me post mortem about how he felt it was wrong that a 2504 should have to play a player as weak as 2389 where the draw would kill his rating. He felt that his rating was being destroyed by these draws with weaker players and that ICCF should protect him from us. He felt I have it easier as a lower rated player because I can gain rating from these draws. Let’s look at his argument that one is causing the other and it is only happening to those 2500+. At the time that draw occurred, I gained exactly 1.17915 rating points from it (and he lost the same); however, this was the first draw in over 40 games in which I *gained* rating points (this statement is no longer true as a few higher rated players have since given me draws but at the time of the game’s conclusion this was the case). Yes, that’s right, ICCF already does such a good job of protecting higher rated players that it actively hands out advice to new players to be very particular about what invites and events they play because the draws could kill their initial rating. I too have experienced a net negative loss of rating points from draws and still seen my rating going up only due to the fact that wins are easier and ever so slightly more common to come by at my level. However, it means I am not exempt from the draw problem. It is patently false that this problem is limited to those 2500+ as in my last 43 draws, I lost rating in 42 of them and gained rating from 1 of them. Therefore, it appears draws are causing rating deflation and this is the real problem in both norms and correspondence in general. With the exception of matches, perhaps there is a way to have draws not count against one’s rating since there are so many of them? It kind of blends the Chess rating concept with that of Bridge where one cannot lose rating points once earned. What we can see is that the player’s argument that draws are causing rating deflation is probably true. One problem is at least partly causing the other one.

There is a third more devious problem worse than the two outlined above in my opinion. While rating deflation, draws, less players and norms are real issues… they are dwarfed by the change in behavior caused by these issues. I know it is a bit overdramatic to talk about such issues in a time of COVID, but there has been a great increase in the number of players playing Dead Man Defense (often shortened by correspondence players to DMD+ and DMD=). It is important to note that the death rate in COVID for those in the elderly category is markedly higher and the correspondence community in general is also markedly higher. I have heard estimates of the average age of correspondence player being 70-75 range though I haven’t seen any data. Back to DMD, what is DMD and why is it such awful behavior? The players are hoping you die before you win so they can claim either a win on time or if it goes to adjudication then at least claim a draw. The other hope is that you might mouse slip by being forced to play more moves which while that would never happen over the board does surprisingly account for a large portion of wins in ICCF correspondence high-level play. One of the main problems this issue causes is that if someone takes an early draw against a player who then goes on to die, the entire rest of the field gets a free half point and you are punished for playing your game quicker than your peers. Often, players over the board resign once mate is unstoppable or a simple endgame is reached in which the result is known to players of all levels. In correspondence, often even sooner than these players will resign or offer draws, knowing that perpetual check is unavoidable should we play another 10 moves past the piece sac against a bare king? How about when the engine reads +25 +30 or +40? So, for the most, correspondence players draw or resign much earlier than one might over the board due to engine and tablebase assistance. On that note, depending on the tournament, players can outright claim wins and draws either on the 6-piece tablebase (always allowed) or the sometimes allowed on an event by event basis the 7-piece tablebase. It is considered out right rude to make a player play all the way to the 6-piece tablebase to claim. I recently claimed one win in a six piece tablebase up an entire piece where my jolly opponent wanted to discuss the game in a post mortem (rarely done in correspondence in general anyways). I declined to even respond to him even though I was already having a very lively and fun post mortem with a Venezuelan on our extremely interesting draw. A worse example is the 92 move game I played with opposite colored bishops where I had two extra pawns. I offered a draw as white and the higher rated player to my lower rated opponent who declined it, forcing me to play to a 7-piece tablebase claim to end the game. This kind of behavior used to be quite rare. In the past, I would say it happened in 1 out of every 100 games… these days it seems to happen in every other game (1/2!). I have seven different opponents right now that are DMD+ against me where the engine reads +148 (or in some cases even sees mate! The 2504 player that complained about my rating earlier also complained someone was DMD+ him… I remarked that I have no less than 7 players DMD+ me and if they would resign? My rating would be about 2450 right which sort of eliminates his claim about our “giant†rating difference). The issue is that due to rating deflation these players need to artificially keep their rating high as long as they can because that’s how they will get their next invite. With the new terrible time control that is not yet Official (although there is a proposal to make it Official: https://www.iccf.com/Proposal.aspx?id=1282), players only need to make a move once every 50 days to pointlessly extend the game. I have a DMD= draw currently going on 16 months now where the player is just moving Kg1 Kf1 Kg1 every 50 days. This time control exasperates the DMD problem. When I contacted ICCF Officials to point out the severity of this problem, I was told that I should report it to the TD on a case by case basis only if it is DMD+ as they will not look at DMD= at all. However, it is usually the TDs that are the biggest offenders (6 of the 7 players described above were TDs). In fact, it is usually the same general casts of characters which allows for an easy black list to be created that bars these players from play until they can fix their atrocious behavior. This behavior needs to be punished. These players need to be reprimanded. In the end, lack of norms, rating deflation and the draw death will not make me quit correspondence chess. It is DMD+/DMD= that will make me quit. This experience is my personal experience with high level correspondence over thirteen years and I would love to hear from other correspondence players concerning these problems.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2020-05-08 01:01:32)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler

When I was younger I was embarrassingly enthusiastic about refuting this opening. :D

Remembering youth, still believing that white wins (with Bxf7) and having 11.16 epoints, I challenge those who disagree to the Silver thematic game. :)


Steven DuCharme    (2020-05-09 05:06:08)
CC Server World Championship Tournament

I am giving it another go. please can one and only one of you register at chesstempo.com...then add your name and site to the related forum topic there (under general discussion) tyvm


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2020-05-13 15:29:45)
Thematic tournaments?

Once again: Norfolk 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 c5 3.e4, or Noteboom, or Traxler


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-05-19 11:14:21)
Thematic tournaments?

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Slav gambit 3...e6 4.e4


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-05-22 23:26:59)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?

Hello Tim,

From FICGS start, I always had the same politics for "no engines" tournaments:

- It is possible to punish obvious cheating, but it will not be possible to prevent intelligent cheating... There's always a way to round the system.

- There are no prizes or "titles" in these tournaments, only the dishonor that other players think that one can play with engines.


Knowing that, I think that honest players can play for fun anyway, I tried it and enjoyed to lose :)

As a conclusion and to make it clearer, no action is taken in any case of using an engine in no engines tournaments. Allowing obvious cheating will help players to make their opinion on their opponents.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-05-24 14:04:07)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?

I fear that for white playing the Kings Gambit the Kings Gambit itself could be the problem. Our King Supertournament is a place to analyse a chance for white.


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-05-28 11:11:26)
Cancel joining a tournament?

Hello,

Please send me a private message or email (see About page) specifying the waiting list you would like to retire from.


Roberto Battaglia    (2020-06-04 09:55:29)
chess archives in pgn

A few days ago, in the chat, I put some questions regarding the existence or not of archives of chess games and their organization. The chat doesn't allow many words so I take advantage of the forum for explaining the matter.
For example on the ICCF website I find for each player a file with all his chess games, I also find archives of all the games played year by year. This allows me to create excellent databases, using for example SCID.
I also would like to add the games played on FICS but, perhaps for my limit, I was able to find only one way to access the pgn. that is: I type the name of a player in the search box and press go. If, for example, I write Fric (Fric Lubos is a friend of mine who attends both ICCF and FICGS) I find all his PNGs but there are mixed games of poker and chess and this creates a problem because I have to separate them by looking at them one by one.
I hope I was clear. Obviously it is possible that I have not seen some functions of the site that allow to access to archives where could be stored games divided by year, by player and by type of game. I thank all those who want to answer me and wish everyone good and winning games.
Roberto


Miroslav Gazi    (2020-06-09 08:18:34)
Chess DB

What about using chess DaBABases?
https://windchess.com/improve-chess/22-announcements/105-dababase-q30m


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-06-09 17:12:22)
Chess DB

I did not understand immediately that you were in Windchess team ^^ Sure, feel free to contact me through email.

Best,
Thibault


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-06-18 01:20:36)
Game 122565

now i see that the thematic chess tournament has a other increment than the kings gambit chess tournament and the go tournament.


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2020-07-02 19:58:50)
Chess WCH #22 (march 1st, 2020)

Dear Thibault,
Today I got an automatically generated email saying that I had won the first round of this years WCH (in group 3). However there is another player with the same score and a higher TER. So can I just ignore this email?


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2020-08-26 16:49:41)
Thematic tournaments?

i'm ready for Slav gambit 3...e6 4.e4 or Slav triangle


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-08-26 22:48:44)
Thematic tournaments?

Brooklyn defense 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 or Alekhine Nd5. 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 a6 or Slav gambit 3...e6 4.e4. Kalashnikov or Nc6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nxd4 Dc7


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-08-26 23:48:53)
Thematic tournaments?

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2020-08-28 13:06:04)
Thematic tournaments?

yes, i'm ready for any of these themes


Steven DuCharme    (2020-08-29 05:03:41)
I have left here...

permanently...may yours improve incrementally :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-09-02 21:54:05)
Thematic tournaments?

Already two players in the waiting list for the current one... but I'll change it next time.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2020-09-05 16:32:24)
Thematic tournaments?

i can wait and will play another English Rubinstein.


Garvin Gray    (2020-09-15 03:42:27)
bullet corrospondence

Bullet advanced chess: time:
0 day, 00:05:00, increment : 0 day, 00:00:15 / move)

So five minutes initial time, plus 15 seconds per move from move one till the end of the game.


Garvin Gray    (2020-10-02 14:56:35)
Stockfish 12, neural network

Tried downloading this engine. After trying the first three options, could not get any of them to work.

What options do I need to select to get this engine to work?


Garvin Gray    (2020-10-03 04:51:35)
Stockfish 12, neural network

Hello Stanislas,

Thank you for your reply and assistance.

I believe I have been able to solve the issue and it was more simple than I thought.

I was thinking that my attempts to download SF12 and use the engine were being thwarted due to issue with the Neural Network.

But I re-downloaded the engine, loaded it and then changed the parameters and it now loads just fine.

I use Fritz 12 GUI, but I also have Fritz 17 GUI.

And my computer is a decent one and less than a year old, so no issues there.


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-10-09 21:55:45)
please join...

Steven, would you explain what this is about exactly? Is there any problem with the English Chess Federation?


Steven DuCharme    (2020-10-11 00:29:04)
please join...

Their membership is down due to Covid 19 restrictions


Steven DuCharme    (2020-10-11 00:30:39)
Duda Demolishes Carlsen!

ends 125 game game unbeaten streak!!!


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-10-19 01:01:54)
Duda Demolishes Carlsen!

This one I guess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzoUVQh-l2g

Tough endgame, quite original one at least...


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2020-11-19 07:56:21)
Thematic tournaments?

Endless English Rubinstein?


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-11-19 12:15:31)
Thematic tournaments?

Let's go for the Bishop's opening...


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2020-11-20 14:36:34)
Thematic tournaments?

QID, Petrosian variation: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7
5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5


Steven DuCharme    (2020-11-23 18:42:54)
On Another Site...

the system there said my position was lost...I disagreed...I said I didn't like the system...(I have since learned I was wrong)...I have been suspended there until March 18


Daniel Parmet    (2020-12-03 19:09:01)
What happened to all the players?

What happened to all the players? I see we used to have dozens of GMs and SIMs not to mention just a huge quantity of players here in years past. How do we get them back? It has become so hard to play on ICCF. Online chess is seeing this huge surge and even now more FIDE IMs and GMs seem to be trying correspondence for lack of other places to play. Why hasn't FICGS enjoyed some of this uptick as well as DMD, rating deflation and lack of events hurt ICCF.


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-12-03 23:55:16)
What happened to all the players?

Hi Daniel, I'm not sure that correspondence chess servers will benefit much from that show (The Queen's Gambit) compared to chess.com & maybe chess over the board. You say that more FIDE IMs and GMs seem to be trying correspondence chess? Or online chess?


Thibault de Vassal    (2020-12-11 20:57:43)
Repeated draw offers

Well, I took some time to think (again) about this problem. Not an obvious one.

Of course, the best option seem to be to let players to tell the server (and their opponent, or not) what they want to read / receive [draw offers], whenever they want. All other solutions seem to be a part of this solution.

By the way, players could tell the server (and their opponent, or not) what they want to read / receive [private messages], whenever they want.

I must say that all choices [any change, or no change at all] seem not satisfying to me for now... It is a real and complex ethical question to me.


Garvin Gray    (2020-12-12 05:04:25)
Repeated draw offers

I do not see any ethical questions here.

The issue is rather simple. Are repeated draw offers a nuisance? The clear answer would be yes to this.

And so, what is a solution?

Currently, if a player is being annoyed/distracted by the repeated draw offers, they have to click 'call referee' and then formally complain about the draw offers.

Most people are not aware of this option, or do not complain. This does not mean that they are off put by it, but instead either just put up with it, which then advantages the draw offerer, or they walk away from the site and play elsewhere.

The solution I have offered allows the draw offer, but stops repeated draw offers.

I would say in all the games that have been played on this site, that out of all those games, the percentage of games that have ended in a draw after a player has offered two or more draws in a row to be so small as to not be measurable.

As a side note - As this is an ICCF rule, this means that the majority of ICCF National Federations voted to implement this rule.

Clearly, those NF's thought the issue was serious enough to implement this rule years ago, with refinements along the way to the current rule quoted here.

Since the rule has been in place and not overturned, I think the fact that many National Federations and players want this rule should be a clear clue that the issue is serious and counter measures should be put in place, as suggested with my rule offer.


Dariusz Fraczek    (2020-12-12 16:57:21)
Cannot make a move

After selecting a game I am on move, blank page is displayed (only menu bar) - no board, no game data. Games where my opponents are on move are displayed correctly and I can change game id and go to a game I am on move, but it is in read only mode. Checked on different browsers (Chrome and Opera) and different PCs. Some hours ago there was no problem.


Daniel Parmet    (2020-12-12 18:01:32)
What happened to all the players?

Here I quote LSS rule:
"Dear Chessfriends,

in the past there have been many complaints about games where one player started moving slowly esp in a lost position, partially using the 30-day-per-individual-move rule to its extreme. To my opinion, this is not a good attitude of sportsmanship.

I have therefore developed a measure against this. Depending on the position, the used time of reflection and the ratings of both players, the server can detect such games with a high probability. Actually, the delay of games is already part of the LSS Rules, but was not in effect so far.

Effective 1st October, 2020, such games will now be stopped by the server and the delaying player will be suspended for 3 weeks to start new tournaments. Further penalties might be introduced, if required.

The algorithm will not be revealed to avoid misuse and it might be due to change without notice.

Best wishes
Ortwin Pätzold"


Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2020-12-12 18:40:37)
Cannot make a move

I have the same problem as Dariusz.


Daniel Parmet    (2020-12-12 22:17:24)
What happened to all the players?

Interesting to see someone actually is in opposition to such a rule!

I am completely the opposite. It makes me want to only play on LSS and give up on ICCF. ICCF has such a huge DMD problem now; it is totally out of control.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2021-03-19 19:33:03)
Berlin Defense

Well, at least I don't remember any loss in long time control games. Maybe I should search my games to be 100% sure about it.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-03-19 23:53:22)
Berlin Defense

Hmmm, it could be a nice thematic tournament soon :)

You're right actually! I searched games at FICGS, when white elo & black elo > 2300 there is no win for White since 2012 ! (and Black won regularly since then)

That's a good score for Berlin defense. To be continued.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2021-03-26 18:23:14)
Berlin Defense

the Berlin Wall as a thematic tournament


Vadrya Pokshtya    (2022-02-17 08:52:23)
Grand Dice Chess

Hello,
I am the author and inventor of chess variants. My chess variants are published on chessvariants.com and some of them can be played on Game Courier.
I would like to present to you a variant of chess with dice that I invented relatively recently and which can already be played on two sites on the Internet.

Grand Dice Chess
The Rules

The game uses a 12x12 board.

Each player has:

4 Kings
24 Pawns
8 Knights
8 Bishops
8 Rooks
4 Queens

White and black occupy the 1st-6th and 7th-12th ranks, respectively, as shown in the diagram.
Unfortunately I can't post an image here, but you can always find it here:

https://granddicechess.blogspot.com/2022/01/grand-dice-chess.html
https://www.chess.com/blog/Pokshtya/grand-dice-chess-battle
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-variants/grand-dice-chess

White starts the game first.
The game uses four dice.
Opponents make moves alternately, throwing 4 dice. The piece to move is determined by a die:
1 = pawn, 2 = knight, 3 = bishop, 4 = rook, 5 = queen and 6 = king.

The player makes four moves at the same time based on the indications of the dice and has the right to refuse (pass) any move that does not suit him, unless it is a pawn move. Unlike in regular dice chess it's allowable to pass moves. And this rule was already applied about a thousand years ago in old variant of Shatranj (Shatranj al-Mustatîla or Oblong Chess), the Arabic pre-decessor of modern chess. However it's not allowed to pass on pawn-moves, except when they are blocked.

Chess pieces move across the board as they do in ordinary chess - according to the standard rules of move and capture.
The only minor exception is for a pawn that is not allowed to move forward two squares from its starting position.
Upon reaching the last rank, the pawn can be promoted to any piece except the king and itself.
There is no castling, check and checkmate in the game.
The goal of the game is to capture four enemy kings.

The first test tournament was held on the site http://abstractgames.ru/index.php
The tournament is attended by 10 people and I received the most positive feedback from them.
The game has proven itself so well that regular tournaments have already been launched.
Yesterday the game was added to Dagaz server https://games.dtco.ru/map
And it's a great place to test the game in person, as registering on the site is very easy and doesn't require any personal information.

The game turned out to be extremely interesting and exciting, replete with puzzling combinations. Surprisingly, with this size of the board and the number of pieces, the average game lasts no more than 30 turns.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2021-04-02 14:33:17)
Suggestion for thematic tourny

The Armenian Variation 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Ba5 is not my interest anymore. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 is enough. Perhaps 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 b6 or 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Qd7.
Did we had 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4
Did we had 1.d4 d6 or 1.e4 e5 2.d4 ed4


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-04-07 01:18:50)
Poker Rating

No, it wasn't non-sportsmanlike for sure, good example... but should this game really be rated? (rated for the winner I mean, you lost some points in this case)

The other problem is that players trying to manipulate ratings could do the same and reality is that they do not (or very rarely) when there are 10 moves at least to play, so this rule is efficient to prevent this. And as we all know, no rule is perfect for everyone.

You are right, lasting a won game to move 10 would be strange but it is a choice and a price to pay... the main thing is that it should be rare.


Garvin Gray    (2021-04-10 03:20:05)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

As noted by Stanislas Gounant, all three groups have now ended.

Looking at the qualifying structure for the World Championship, are we waiting for the winners of the two Semi Finals to be completed?

That would then mean the Knockout final and the Round Robin Final start at the same time.

In response to that, I would think that a round robin group of 28 games would take longer than a knockout final of 8 games, so the round robin group should start earlier, if possible


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-04-13 01:04:44)
Poker Rating

This rule was added when, more than 10 years ago, players asked for a non-subjective system, as automatic as possible (more algorithm, less human referees)... it looks like the debate is still open :)


Garvin Gray    (2021-04-13 09:25:24)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

In terms of games management, I do not think there is any 'perfect' solution.

The only way a player could have any way of being able to predict when the next stage would start is if a full pdf calendar was published, which is not the case for this site.

With what we have to work with so far, the best way a player can predict game load is to monitor the remaining games in the cycle in progress and estimate when they are going to end.

And then a rule could be implemented that states something like: Once all games from the previous stage have been completed, the next stage will begin as of the 1st of the next month.

Which would mean that for Wch 22 Stage 2, the Round Robin group would start 1/5/2021.

And then once the last two games from the Semi Final knockouts are completed, the knockout final starts on the 1st day of the next month.


Daniel Parmet    (2021-04-15 22:41:32)
Poker Rating

Half rating games seems like a potential equitable solution where you at least gain 1 rating point / an idea anyways. It's merits TBD.


Garvin Gray    (2021-04-18 13:26:22)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

I have come to the conclusion that there is no point in debating this topic.

The reason for deciding on this conclusion is that I believe that Thibault will always support the status quo and will not change is opinion as site owner, therefore it is a complete waste of time debating any of these topics.

I have been involved in these debates before, and even though sometimes changes are made, it takes many months of painful debate and even after that and agreements reached, those agreements are then reneged on.

Therefore, it is just a waste of time to attempt to try and change the status quo.


Garvin Gray    (2021-04-18 17:28:11)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

I do not disagree with your general sentiment, but as someone who has been on this site a long time, I have experienced a lot of negotiations and discussions like this, where the discussions end up going nowhere, or some kind of 'change' is promised , and then after a while, those format changes are walked back.

Therefore, I have become rather jaded by this entire process and I am now of the opinion that Thibault just offers these discussions in an attempt to make it look like he is entertaining differing opinions, when really he TRULY can not bring himself to make the changes that some of these discussions are asking for as he already believes that the site is perfect as it is.

So, you are then treating the forum posters like mugs if you are saying, lets discuss the topic and come up with new ideas, if you have no genuine intention of embracing any of the ideas proposed.

I have now said my last post on this matter for quite a while.

I have made it clear what I think of these forum discussions and their purpose, so there is now no further requirement for me to reply.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-04-18 22:39:47)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

With all my respect Garvin, you couldn't be more wrong on that one... To me, FICGS is everything but perfect. Actually it is so heavy (mainly because it was coded very very fast - way too fast - with the [bad] idea to make it simple and to save as much processor & memory as possible) that some changes are very difficult to make. In this way, some good ideas could be very hard to bring to life.

But these 2 changes asked in the 2 running threads would be very easy to make! So it is only a question of time (it is most often bad to make a change fastly). For now, I have no clear opinion in this discussion and we could easily add a rule that states that any stage could start as fast as possible. And in the other discussion, the 10 moves rule could disappear even if I think it wouldn't be a good idea. Or it could evolve as it has been mentioned.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-04-20 13:42:49)
Thematic tournaments?

This one is now running... thanks for the suggestion :)


Wilhelm Schuett    (2021-04-21 19:26:07)
Thematic tournaments?

Systems of the Alekhine like Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 or 4 Pawns


Garvin Gray    (2021-05-04 12:14:16)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

I decided to leave this discussion for a while for two reasons. 1) I genuinely believed that whatever would be agreed to in this discussions would be unwound at a later date and

2) That my involvement in the discussions was not a helpful factor for others to become involved in the discussions

I will now explain what issues made me go public with my frustrations with this site and with the site owner in particular.

Over a long period of time, I had a to beg, plead and convince that the FICGS World Cup was an event that would be supported, despite Thibault's regular protests to the contrary.

Once the event and the format was finally decided to 'give it a go', the numbers was huge for this site and the general format had two primary goals:

1) No preferential treatment for high rated players. Everyone started from round one and the groups for round one would be divided up to make sure that each group would be of roughly equal strength

2) In previous discussions with the WCH, I had regularly protested that when there were groups of 5, that these groups should be double round robin, ensuring that all players got eight games and that colour allocation for the top two seeds would not play a role in the final results.

Then the latest groupings for the World Cup were released and everything that had been previously agreed had been violated:

1) Groups of 5 were used and all groups were only single round robin (breaking of a previous agreement)
2) The entire purpose of the World Cup was to have large first round groups and a small number of groups, ensuring that only about 9 or so players made it through to the final round. As it stands now, about 19 players will make it to the final round. The entire format has been advertised as a two round event. Therefore, there can not be a third stage. This is a clear condition of entry and it can not be violated. (breaking of another previous agreement).

I can go on and on, but I think this is sufficient as to highlight why I come to the conclusion that the site owner has no issue at all with breaking previous agreements.

I busted my ass for a number of years to convince everyone that the World Cup was a good event worth supporting. And when it was first run, it was well supported.

To now see it so corrupted makes me just think, why bother. Another deal broken. Time to move on from this site.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-05-07 01:34:51)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

I understand your frustration Garvin, thanks for explaining your views once again and I'll try to answer each point (even if you do not answer anymore):

a) You were right on the Cup format Garvin, obviously. Probably on (many) other ideas... I just can't say.

b) I always thought & said that stable rules were important in many ways (that I explained), which is frustrating, I understand that.

c) As far as I remember, I added the possibility of double round-robin for 5-players groups after that discussion but indeed it was (probably) never used. Maybe the rule should be changed to "always double-robin for 5-players groups", that would be easy to do. A fact is that it is difficult to gather more than 3 or 4 opinions in this forum these times :/ By the way, if anyone can find this discussion where I agreeded something else than a possibility, then (my bad) I'll change it immediately.

d) I do think that a multi-stages tournament should have a pre-determined number of stages... (players should know what kind of engagement it represents) Maybe I just missed that point and a rule specifying that stage 1 groups will be built so that x to y players (no less, no more) will play round 2 could be added. Why not.


Garvin Gray    (2021-05-10 11:44:13)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

Groups with less than 7 players: https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=13002

FICGS__CHESS__CUP_CHAMPIONSHIP__000004

FICGS chess cup championship is a 2 stages round-robin tournament.

My wording: The two stage tournament is the basic design of the event and is hard wired into the event. The whole event was designed to be a two stage event, with large groups in the first stage, to ensure that the first round groups are competitive and also that no players received byes through to a second round based on rating.

I had to plead for years for this format and garner support from other players before you would agree to even run it as a trial in it's first year. And then in its first year, it received over 100 entries, a lot of top players entered and was a complete success.

So, I believe I have every right to be pissed off at you directly that it really does seem like you are attempting to unwind the format of this event.

The format is clearly described in the published rules, so for the site owner to so flagrantly ignore them can only be described as one of two actions:

1) Negligent
2) Deliberant


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-05-17 23:24:20)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended

Garvin, that thread (13002) was about FICGS Wch, not FICGS Cup... I added the possibility only of double round robin in Wch because I was not sure it was necessary in every stages (obviously it finds more sense in a round robin final than in stage 1), but anyway I could make it more accurate.

But indeed I just saw it was specified in FICGS Cup rules: "There will be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players." ... fact is I can't remember when it was added but I guess I could have forgotten to apply it. Usually I read the rules again & again while making pairings, so I may have been negligent here. My apologies to all participants...

Thanks Garvin for pointing it out.

I'll come back on changes soon, it is a pity not to be able to gather more opinions so I'll have to make a move anyway.


Misha Allport    (2021-05-26 16:36:51)
Waiting List Expiration.

Are there time limits for waiting lists? Are they removed for lack of interest/non-participation?


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-06-27 00:36:12)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Damn, it was 8 months ago already... thanks for the reminder! Waiting lists are open...


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-06-30 01:11:05)
Withdrawal from Standard Tournament

Hello Misha, your name has been removed (a few days ago already). My best wishes


Don Groves    (2021-07-19 21:40:45)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

My new email is dgrovespdxATgmail.com


Garvin Gray    (2021-07-20 01:10:16)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Thibault,

Are you able to give a start date for all the second stage and third stage chess events?

ie Semi Finals, Stage 2's and Ko's/Round Robin Finals


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-20 15:17:19)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

No, we always have to wait for the end of all deciding games in previous rounds. This time, Ko's final & semi finals started just after the next cycle, but the candidates final is still to start.


Garvin Gray    (2021-09-09 18:54:19)
VENEZUELA HAS BEEN DISMISSED FROM ICCF

A lot of statements there. No actual questions? I can not really answer statements :)


Juri Eintalu    (2021-09-09 19:32:44)
VENEZUELA HAS BEEN DISMISSED FROM ICCF

Of course, there are a lot of questions.

- Whether Venezuela politicized sport when organizing the correspondence chess tournament "in support of Venezuela"?

- Whether the International Correspondence Chess Federation (ICCF) has provided any evidence that the Venezuelan chess organizer has escaped with the prize money?

- Whether the country can be punished solely because of the behaviour of one sports official?

- Whether the problem was actually about the economic sanctions on Venezuela, hindering international money transfers?

- Whether the dismissal of Venezuela from ICCF has hidden political motives?

Thus, there are many questions for chess historians.


Garvin Gray    (2021-09-11 11:56:08)
VENEZUELA HAS BEEN DISMISSED FROM ICCF

Juri - Quite a few of your questions contain quite a lot of accusations, or at least a tone of accusations, or that those who took actions in dismissing Venezuela has some kind of hidden motives.


The decision to dismiss Venezuela was made by the National Delegates of each Federation of ICCF, after considering all the evidence before them.

This included unpaid prize money, where entry fees were charged, over at least two years, unpaid affiliated fees to the ICCF (same time period) and the National Delegate of Venezuela was offered many opportunities to pay back the money.

The National Delegate ran the tournaments, handled the money through paypal and in the end was in debt to the ICCF and the players of their tournament to the tune of roughly 7 to 10 thousand euros.

So, yes, ICCF has provided plenty of evidence that the 'organiser' took off with the entry fees of the players and did not pay out the advertised prize monies.

Multiple attempts were made by the ICCF Executive Board to reach a satisfactory compromise with the National Delegate, but in the end the National Delegate cut off all communications and went completely silent to everyone.

All Federations pay an affiliation fee to be part of ICCF. This amount is levied in part based on the number of members a Federation has, and also that countries economic position (GDP).

After reading all this, what other option was there for the other National Delegates to vote for?

In another proposal, which you have not referenced, the ICCF Executive board has promised that the prize money that was not paid out by the Venezuelan National Delegate would be covered by the ICCF, which will cost roughly 10,000 euro and will be paid out to the players.

So, to answer your questions after all this information:

1) No. This issue and your question are not related at all. It is not even certain if the Venezuelan National Delegate lived in Venezuela.

2) Yes, plenty of evidence was provided. Players had also reported that they had not received their prize money. I can report this as fact as I got burnt as a player in one of their events. So I know first hand that this occurred.

3) This has nothing to do with 'sports'.

This is a common misunderstanding about how ICCF works. ICCF is an association of Federations ie ICCF only recognises Federations. Therefore, officially ICCF can only take action formally against Federations and only works with the National Delegate from that Federation.

How the Federation conducts their business 'behind the scenes' is up to them and is none of the business of ICCF. It would be highly improper for ICCF to have a say in how any individual Federation ran their Federation.

What now occurs is that the remaining Venezuelan players are treated as isolated players. They can not represent Venezuela in team events, by they are free to play in any individual events.

Some of these players might be picked up by other Federations, if another Federation wants them.

4) Money transfers - As I already alluded to, it is not clear if the Venezuelan ND was even in Venezuela, but anyways, he had no trouble receive the entry fees, so money transfers by paypal were no issue.

If there was an issue, then they should not have run prize money tournaments

5) No political motives - This was a straight up case of whether the Venezuelan ND had taken off with the entry fees of the players and failed to pay out the prize money from many tournaments, as well as the Federation failing to pay their affiliation fees, as well as being in debt for other fees as well.

These are basic responsibilities for all Federations. Even if you want to lay all the blame of the Venezuelan ND, a case can be made as to ask what happened to any oversight from anyone else?

Or was the Venezuelan ND just a rogue operator?

This experience has left a sour taste in everyone's mouth and remedy steps have been taken to try and avoid this occurring again.

See other proposals.

Garvin Gray
Australia ICCF National Delegate


Juri Eintalu    (2021-09-11 14:07:41)
VENEZUELA HAS BEEN DISMISSED FROM ICCF

"Juri - Quite a few of your questions contain quite a lot of accusations..." (Garvin Gray)

I just shared information about the decision of the ICCF. Garvin Gray demanded twice that I should ask some questions. Finally, I formulated some questions that can come to mind for the ordinary reader. Now, Garvin Gray declares that I have made a lot of accusations, but the questions are not accusations. Therefore, I do not participate in this conversation anymore.


Wilhelm Schuett    (2021-09-15 20:38:37)
Suggestion for thematic tourny

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Sf6 3.Sc3 Sbd7 could be very helpful!


Garvin Gray    (2021-09-20 02:31:27)
Chess Cup final #4

One issue I am running into.

I am trying to download the pgn file.

Normally I download the 'my game' file to my desktop, then change the name, so it shows .pgn at the end, and then I can copy the games across to my database.

But for this tournament, I do not seem to be able to do this at this stage.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-09-20 02:36:19)
Chess Cup final #4

Yes, of course larger groups will be better that way, I agree.

About the download, it seems to work on the tournament page & game page, could you tell me where you download it from?


Juri Eintalu    (2021-09-28 04:26:24)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Eintalu - Osipov
https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=132155

I really do not know whether it was a bug. I found from the Forum some old remarks that make a move to accept a draw. Also, I had programs working in my computer.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-04 17:37:27)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Now, I am pretty sure that to accept a draw on FICGS correspondence chess, one has to make a move, accept a draw, and then send the move together with the acceptance. Only then the system recognizes that the draw has been accepted. The last move is not shown in the final record, it is fictive. It is weird and confusing for the beginners on FICGS. Unfortunately, in the rules, this feature has not been explained.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-10-04 22:24:51)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

I cannot remember why it would have worked this way for so long that but I have to fix it for sure... (but not before one full week)


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-05 21:38:49)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Dear Thibault de Vassal, the other possibility is to add some informative remarks to the Rules or FAQ. This is a problem for the beginners on FICGS. There is also some probability of making a fictive and stupid move but somehow failing to accept a draw.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-06 12:35:34)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Garvin Gray, Here, I have accepted a draw in two games. In both cases, the procedure described by you worked neither on my PC nor on my mobile phone. I do not remember, but perhaps the warning box did not appear at all. In both cases, to access that confirmation box, I did the following: I marked the draw as accepted, then I made a move and then I confirmed it.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-06 18:54:56)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Now, as a new user on FICGS, I have a new problem. I do not know how to block another user whose aggressive comments I really do not want to read or respond to.

The system of accepting a draw can be tested, of course, if 2 staff members of FICGS play 4 unrated games with each other, proposing a draw on the 4. move. First, whether checking the "Accept" box is sufficient; Second, whether my claim is true that it is possible to check the "Accept", make a move and send it - to achieve acceptance of a draw.

Possibly, there are some time-out problems with the promised pop-up window.

I really do not respond ever again to GG-s empty etc comments.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2021-10-07 02:22:06)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

JE, you can always skip reading forum. :D

About the topic - I don't have any problems with offering or accepting draw here.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-07 04:56:34)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Ilmars Cirulis
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

"JE, you can always skip reading forum. :D

About the topic - I don't have any problems with offering or accepting draw here."

- Unfortunately, I am unable to understand what you are trying to say. I am new here and I asked a question. Now, I have heard two "answers": that the others do not have that problem. - Then my "answer" is that I have had no such problems e.g., on Lichess. And I have always imagined that if someone asks help on the forum, then the decent answer would not be like GG-s "answer" mentioning some "box for the idiots". And I can always skip using that platform FICGS as well.


Chiu Fy    (2021-10-08 07:40:32)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Because the existence of GO is to serve our emotion and the direction of our surbival in the future.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-10-21 00:29:15)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

A first explanation to your problem with draw offers is that you use the "slow moves" process... not many players still use it. I think that this bug is not appearing in the "fast moves" process.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-21 16:36:16)
After 23.75 years...

Apronus:

"This website is in financial crisis. Please consider donating regularly to keep it functional."

https://www.apronus.com/chess/

Apronus is excellent for creating chess tactics problems and sharing them on the blog.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-10-29 03:38:54)
Big Chess theory?

It seems that you need bigger knights.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-11-27 02:49:44)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers

I have read that in Latvia, unvaccinated deputies of the parliament are banned from voting and giving speeches — even from far, digitally. Estonian newspapers wrote about this.
I have also read that in some parts of Australia, the unvaccinated deputies of some local offices cannot vote even from far. I do not know what to believe.
However, online voting cannot spread the virus.
Therefore, a question arises concerning correspondence chess. Imagine that someone demands that unvaccinated chess players be banned from playing online chess because online chess cannot infect anyone with the virus.
I do not understand what the logic of all of this is.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-11-29 02:01:04)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers

It seems to me that is pure political stuff... Someones want the others being vaccinated to protect everyone best, someones don't want to be vaccinated... Well, that is just an explosive melt. I don't think that there is a simple solution, but well... it is obvious that our governments impact/affect us in many ways, I'm not sure if "it <<shouldn't>> have some control on our body as well (to protect the others)" is a real argument.

Fortunately, the context of correspondence chess is not the same as paliaments ^^


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-11-29 02:09:11)
Repeated draw offers

After a case a repeated draw offers, I thought that the rule should evolve from:

"Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly serveral times in a row. Doing so may lead to instantly lose the game, and/or being immediately and permanently banned."

... to ...

"Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly serveral times in a row. Doing so may lead to get a limited access to the server (until to get a response if necessary) then to lose the game, finally to get permanently banned if this behaviour does not stop."

Reason is that it seems not so obvious for certain players to remember all draw offers while playing quite slowly many many games. Also, they may not receive some warning messages.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2021-11-29 09:05:22)
Repeated draw offers

Yes, sometimes I avoid offering draw because I can't remember if I haven't already done that.

(thumbs up)


Juri Eintalu    (2021-11-29 11:09:53)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers

During the epidemics, restrictions and quarantine are traditional and usual measures. If the restrictions are applied, it is natural that the OTB (over-the-board) chess tournaments are cancelled, and the coaches cannot give indoor lessons. However, such restrictions should not be applied to online chess or coaching as there is no such thing as "online coronavirus".

Suppose that wearing the masks reduces the probability of being infected and also the probability of spreading the virus. Then, it seems natural to demand that the OTB chess players should wear masks. Moreover, chess is not wrestling.

One can also plausibly argue that in the case of contacts with other people outside the home, at least one of the measures should be applied: masks, distance, negative result of the test recently made, or vaccination.

The question of vaccines involves scientific, moral, and political aspects. The scientific issues involve the effectiveness of the vaccine and its side effects. How probably the vaccine reduces the rate of infections, and how probably it reduces the rate of deaths among those infected. How severe is the virus, and how often and how serious are the vaccine's adverse effects. Some religious moral systems, in turn, reject vaccines produced in some specific way. International law rejects uninformed non-voluntary human experiments, etc.

Suppose that the aim is to reduce the rate of infections, and the vaccine is highly effective and without serious side effects. Suppose also that we are utilitarians and aim to maximize the wellbeing of society as a whole.

In the case of such presumptions, it seems natural to demand that the chess coaches giving indoor lessons be vaccinated or show the test results, etc. However, it still does not follow that the unvaccinated chess player cannot play online chess or give online lessons — because there is no such thing as "online coronavirus".

Thibault de Vassal: "Fortunately, the context of correspondence chess is not the same as parliaments."

— Yes, but this is precisely the question: what's the difference? Note that one might also argue that unvaccinated chess players should not play online chess, but the unvaccinated selected deputies should have the possibility to give speeches — because they are political representatives of the people.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-11-29 11:28:45)
Repeated draw offers

The easiest rule is that a player can make maximally three draw offers per game. It is easy to remember that you have made 1, 2, or 3 draw offers. It is easier to program such a rule on the server.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-11-29 18:03:06)
Repeated draw offers

Juri, it seems it's not obvious for several players at least. Garvin's proposition is probably best, avoiding any human intervention, I agree with that. Maybe I can do something according to player's taste, just like for private messages in games.


Juri Eintalu    (2021-11-29 18:54:29)
Repeated draw offers

Thibault, I have made some general strategic remarks, but I am not going to study the details of the proposition. I am incompetent to say anything detailed about FICGS rules.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-12-01 02:12:36)
Repeated draw offers

I just updated the process and rules... let's give a try to this new version (without any human intervention on the result of the game):

"Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly several times in a row. Doing so may lead to get blocked by your opponents, finally to get a limited access to the server (until to solve the problem)."

It is now possible to report then block draw offers (at least the main message & popup) just like it is possible with private messages in games. Then it shouldn't be annoying anymore.


Garvin Gray    (2021-12-23 03:39:41)
Cross tables in score order

Currently the tournament cross tables are always shown in start order.

Would it be possible to give players the option to be able to show them in score order?


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-01-04 02:00:57)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess

Well, obviously I re-created this bug a few weeks ago when making the update to allow players to block repeated draw offers... It seems to be fixed now.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-01-07 23:19:23)
Cross tables in score order

Hi Garvin, both options are now displayed... thanks for the reminder :)


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-01-18 22:12:07)
Chess engines in thematic tournaments

Are players using chess engibnes welcome in thematic tournaments?


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-01-18 23:59:07)
Chess engines in thematic tournaments

Yes, engines, databases & so on... everything is authorized in thematic tourneys.


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-01-19 02:39:00)
Chess engines in thematic tournaments

I know it's authorized, but is it welcome ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-01-19 11:13:44)
Chess engines in thematic tournaments

Theorically at least, it is encouraged :) I hope it is welcome in practice...


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-01-19 17:13:11)
Chess engines in thematic tournaments

ok i enter in the tournament


Vadrya Pokshtya    (2022-02-19 06:11:11)
Grand Dice Chess

Thank you, Mr. Thibault!
This was facilitated by reducing the distance between the two armies to zero. Each move is a roll of 4 dice or a movement of four pieces. As soon as the pawn chain is opened, events develop at lightning speed. It is also interesting that the right of the first move is not an advantage here for the beginning side. The first games in the test tournament on one of the Russian gaming sites showed this. The balance of white and black victories is kept strictly around 50%. The game turned out to be one of the most strategic among all dice chess variants.
You can try playing against the AI ​​here

https://glukkazan.github.io/checkmate/grand-dice-chess.htm?fbclid=IwAR1Tt6sFmrK8KYRxwPPZJnrGujGss7to2jzdV8GxSons7Pmjdk7udHoJ0PA

This is a direct link to the game with the bot. Registration is not required. The bot is very weak but perfect for understanding the game.
Mr. Thibault, I would be glad if you would consider the possibility of holding a test tournament on your site. It would be interesting to see how many people would take part and what would be their opinion about the game. In any case, everyone would get an unforgettable experience.
Since I am doing this for the game and not for the money, you are free to dispose of Grand Dice Chess as you see fit on your site.
Thank you!


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-02-27 14:00:58)
FICGS support to Ukraine

I must say I'm not used at all to merge politics &/or war to chess... I'm not sure if FICGS should display a ukrainian flag during these obviously very sad times. But I'll do it if the most think it's a good idea. Personally I do support civil people under bombs, probably in all cases.

Also it is quite tough to understand what happens there from 2014 & Minsk agreements... I discussed about it with russians, ukrainians, read many news & fake news, much complexity. I do not think this is the place to discuss about it though, so let's just decide about a way to support or if we should stop players clocks only.


Bahadir Ozen    (2022-02-27 16:34:37)
FICGS support to Ukraine

-1 Messages of love, hope and light can be shared for people in Ukraine. Although the situation seems political, what is happening is happening to humanity...

-2 During this period, the "Special Leave" feature can be given to Ukrainian - resident players.

-3 During this process, the Russian flag may be suspended. (Of course, it is not the fault of the Russian players, but the flag does not comply with the rules of "Gens una Sumus", as it is to represent.

-4 A special tournament can be organized on behalf of Ukraine.


We are going through difficult times. No to war for humanity.

Best regards,
Bahadir


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-02-27 22:24:49)
Ukrainian players clocks during war

I identified ukrainian players in activity (one of them is still connecting), trying to contact them before.


Jan Talek    (2022-02-28 19:01:04)
FICGS support to Ukraine

I see there are many different opinions regarding flags. If it is such problematic issue let's remove flags on the website for the time of war.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-02-28 21:22:28)
Ukrainian players clocks during war

Let's do this.

Ukrainian players in activity are now in vacation for 45 days. Of course they still have 45 days of vacation remaining. Even if the war ends shortly, I think this is the least time to recover from such dramatic events. If war should last, then this special vacation could be renewed.

Consequently this topic is closed.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-02-28 21:33:03)
FICGS support to Ukraine

That is a nice idea from LSS server. Though I'm still not sure about what to do on this point.

The idea of a beneficiary tournament remains interesting but is it time for chess games during these trouble times (that might extend to Europe) while there may be other ways to help... I'll think about it further.

I'm also thinking about postponing WCH tournaments, any opinion is welcome.


Daniel Parmet    (2022-03-01 18:29:14)
FICGS support to Ukraine

Definitely stop the clocks. ICCF Stopped them to April 29th which I think is absolutely the right move.


Garvin Gray    (2022-03-02 08:18:43)
Russian flag replaced

The situation between ficgs and National sports is very different.

With National Sports, they receive funding and are playing under the name Russia. Therefore, when that team wins, the Russian Government receives a benefit.

On here, whilst players are from Russia, we are all playing as individuals.

And as been clearly noted in a lot of news articles, most Russian people do not support the actions of the Russian Government.

I think this is case in ficgs where if a Russian player wanted to change their flag to a neutral flag, they should be given that opportunity, but it should not be forced on them.


Patrick DeBonis    (2022-03-02 14:19:18)
FICGS support to Ukraine

Of course, I support the Ukrainian people, but I don't hold any of this against the Russian players on this site. I'm not for removing there flags. We are all adults' here and can discern the difference between governments and ordinary people.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-03-02 19:50:53)
Russian flag replaced

I understand your point but it seems to be more complicated... At tennis, in example, Elina Svitolina (UKR) didn't want to play Anastasia Potapova (RUS) yesterday, but federation of tennis "removed" russian flag for individual players... the match finally happened (Svitolina won 6-2 6-1 by the way). All russians I know do not support this war, so I think it is a good sign of support from them to join this idea, kind of support for peace.

If any russian player is pro-Poutine or supports this war, of course he can talk to me and ask for his flag (not meaning he'll get it).


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-03-02 19:54:37)
FICGS support to Ukraine

Clocks for ukrainian players in activity have been stopped yesterday (45 days of special "vacation", can be renewed if necessary).

I don't hold any of this against russian players as well. As I said in the other post:

"(...) At tennis, in example, Elina Svitolina (UKR) didn't want to play Anastasia Potapova (RUS) yesterday, but federation of tennis "removed" russian flag for individual players... the match finally happened (Svitolina won 6-2 6-1 by the way). All russians I know do not support this war, so I think it is a good sign of support from them to join this idea, kind of support for peace.

If any russian player is pro-Poutine or supports this war, of course he can talk to me and ask for his flag (not meaning he'll get it)."


Patrick DeBonis    (2022-03-03 02:54:02)
FICGS support to Ukraine

This reminds me of the 1939 Chess Olympiad in Buenos Aries. In the middle of the tournament, World War II broke out. The participants on both sides managed to put their differences aside and finished the tournament. After the tournament was over, many players from both sides chose to stay in Agrentina and sit out the war. I wish things were that simple today.


Clodomiro Ortiz    (2022-03-05 15:03:10)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

as i rememner i lost my last participation in past cch stage i championship,i didnot participate in the waiting list this year yet,then i ask why i was included in stage2 group1


Clodomiro Ortiz    (2022-03-05 15:04:34)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

remember


Clodomiro Ortiz    (2022-03-06 12:51:04)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

thank you,nice to remind me


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-03-07 21:08:28)
HTTPS not available on March 7th

There was a huge issue on FICGS server today, I'm glad to have been able to fix this as it was really tough and unlikely ^^ This is what happens when running an old system with recent modules...

No time was added to clocks as it lasted less than 24 hours (sorry :)), and a few players connect to HTTP (not really secure, particularly if you used the right login field).

I started to work with the most recent Linux system a few weeks ago so I should be ready to migrate FICGS to this new server at some time... There is no urge though, it will be a long and difficult operation.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2022-03-11 21:45:09)
Suggestion for thematic tourny

What about 1.g3 d5 2.Nf3 h5 3.Bg2 h4 4.Nxh4 e5 :)


Wilhelm Schuett    (2022-03-12 03:26:07)
Suggestion for thematic tourny

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 or 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 is still interesting for me.
Also Dragon.
Did we ever had 1.e4 b6


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-03-21 18:33:33)
Suggestion for thematic tourny

1. g4
1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. d4
1. e4 e5 2. Cf3 d5
1. e4 e5 2. Cf3 f5

des positions déséquilibrées qui ne donnent pas des parties nulles


Juri Eintalu    (2022-03-21 21:23:10)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

FIDE bans Karjakin for 6 months because of his announcements concerning the Ukraine war.

https://www.fide.com/news/1650


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-03-22 21:28:29)
FICGS support to Ukraine

It seems such punishment just happened to GM Sergey Karjakin (after supporting Poutine & Russia in Ukraine's invasion)...

https://twitter.com/SergeyKaryakin/status/1497950920029704195

All I have to say about Iraq war is that France did not participate. That was definitely a good decision from french government, but I guess it was not obvious to make an opinion at this time on US government's statements. It cannot be compared to what happens today.


Juri Eintalu    (2022-03-22 22:02:44)
FICGS support to Ukraine

What happens today is a greater conflict than occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan only because some great forces are vehemently supporting the invaded Ukraine.


Juri Eintalu    (2022-03-22 22:10:27)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

When FIDE decided to complain about Karjakin to the ethics committee, FIDE said that Karjakin was "supporting the unjustified war".

In the decision of the ethics committee, no references are given to Karjakin's relevant announcements.

As a philosopher, I am unable to understand how the chess organization can decide whether some war is a justified war. Moreover, "supporting the unjustified war" may mean that Karjakin tried to show that this war is justified indeed.

While I feel that this war is unjustified, I also feel that FIDE has chosen a side in the complex conflict and is far from being neutral.


Juri Eintalu    (2022-03-23 04:30:48)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

I am sure that not everyone can competently decide whether Ukrainian war is a justified war or not. My personal feeling is that this war is unjustified, however, I do not know all the facts and I have not read the Genova Convention and other such documents either. The case of the Iraq war is much easier to decide because know we do know there were no chemical weapons in Iraq. Also, Iraq posed no threat to the US whatsoever as the US is on the other side of the planet and Iraq did not have intercontinental missiles.
As for myself, I will never participate in any tournaments or events of FIDE after FIDE has chosen a side in the West/Russia controversy and has allowed to weaponized itself.


Juri Eintalu    (2022-03-23 17:34:51)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

The Telegram channel "Chess Patriot" was established on 13 March 2022. FIDE made its complaint about Karjakin to the ethics committee earlier. Probably it was based on Karjakin's two tweets on Twitter, plus Karjakin's public letter to Putin. The complaint was made only 3 days after the Ukraine war started.
After FIDE banned Karjakin for 6 months, he has started to make a war propaganda on his Telegram channel. He asks "reasonable Ukrainians" not to fight and not to defend the Kyiv regime.
Karjakin's Twitter history is fun. After 24. February, several outstanding chess players should be banned as well by FIDE due to the nature of their replies to Karjakin's tweets.
I am sure that FIDE's ethics code did not contain any demand not to support any wars. There is even not any demand not to talk about the ongoing war during the chess competition, etc.
Moreover, this ethics code was applied right before it will be outdated. Since 1 April 2022, that code used to ban Karjakin is not valid anymore.
I am sure that this code was arbitrarily interpreted to ban Karjakin.


Giacomo Rita    (2022-04-04 00:22:26)
TITLE FEM

why, despite having two FEM standards, was I not awarded the title?


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-04-05 02:19:38)
TITLE FEM

If it was 2 norms, a third is required to obtain the title. That seems on the right way :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-05-06 16:12:00)
Chess.com blocked in Russia

It seems that the #1 chess website has just been blocked in Russia, probably because of too many messages in favor of Ukraine... about 3.5 million users could be impacted.

Let's hope that other chess websites will not follow this way, isolating more and more our russian chessfriends. I'm just more and more skeptical on how the situation can evolve.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-05-08 02:18:53)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

"A few minutes ago it was announced that the Court of Appeals of the Ethical and Disciplinary Commission (EDC) of the FIDE has rejected the appeal filed by Grand Master Sergey Karjakin against the 6 month disqualification he had been given for having embarrassed the TRUST because of his own Declarations in favor of Russian invasion into Ukraine.
“According to the FIDE Card and the Code of Ethics and Disciplinary FIDE, such a decision can be contested before the Arbitral Court of Sport (CAS) within 21 daysâ€, the sentence reads.
The disqualification, as it is known, will prevent Karjakin from participating in the Madrid nominees Tournament, where he will most likely be replaced by Ding Liren. The Russian player, born in Crimea, said he is considering the possibility of a new International Federation in competition with FIDE."


Juri Eintalu    (2022-05-09 19:58:15)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

Karjakin's Appeal was Dismissed by FIDE

Thus, Karjakin still cannot play in the candidates tournament because he publicly approved the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Karjakin, in turn, writes (on his Telegram channel) as a response that he is proud that his grandfather was a great soldier, also, that there are Nazis in Ukraine.

He criticises Kasparov.

Kasparov demands that Russian chess players who want to play in international tournaments should publicly disapprove Russian invasion of Ukraine.


Juri Eintalu    (2022-05-09 20:00:46)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

I am worried about Kasparov's demand that only those Russian players should be allowed to participate in international tournaments who publicly disapprove Russian invasion of Ukraine. This demand seems to be extremist, like Lenin's and Stalin's slogans.

First, not every Russian sportsman can have the luxury of being a dissident.

Second, Kasparov is notoriously inconsistent (outside of the chessboard). From his logic, it follows that FIDE should have banned all the US chess players who did not publicly disapprove of invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-05-11 01:02:59)
Carlos Alcaraz y el ajedrez :)

The recent winner of Rio, Barcelona & Madrid Open 2022 talks about his incredible performances at tennis, and how blitz chess helps him...

(spanish language)

https://www.marca.com/tenis/2022/03/07/6225c2c6e2704ed95f8b45cc.html

"P. Uno de los aspectos más desconocidos en usted es que le gusta hacer siesta y el ajedrez antes de los partidos. ¿Me lo puede explicar?

R. Así es. Me pillaron con la cámara en el Next Gen de Milán y en Río también dormía porque el descanso es importante y más en una semana tan intensa en la que llovió y se retrasaron los partidos. La recuperación era clave y las siestas antes de los partidos para mí lo son. Y el ajedrez me ayuda porque estás concentrado, la cabeza te funciona...

P. ¿En qué le ayuda concretamente el ajedrez para la práctica del tenis?

R. Me ayuda a estar más rápido mentalmente, a observar jugadas, a ver el movimiento que quieres hacer, la estrategia... A estar concentrado todo el tiempo. En el ajedrez, como el tenis, te despistas un momento y ya se revuelve la partida. En este aspecto son dos disciplinas bastante parecidas."


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-05-11 01:41:05)
Carlos Alcaraz y el ajedrez :)

Approximative translation ^^


Q. One of the most unknown aspects of you is that you like to take a nap and play chess before games. Can you explain it to me?

A. That's right. I was caught on camera at the Next Gen in Milan and in Rio I also slept because rest is important and even more so in such an intense week in which it rained and the games were delayed. Recovery was key and naps before games are for me. And chess helps me because you are focused, your head works...

Q. How does chess specifically help you to practice tennis?

A. It helps me to be faster mentally, to observe plays, to see the movement you want to make, the strategy... To be focused all the time. In chess, like tennis, you get lost for a moment and the game is already mixed up. In this aspect they are two quite similar disciplines.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-05-15 16:39:20)
19th Go championship final match

Hello everyone,

The 19th Go championship final match just started... late, really late. It did not start before because the challenger obviously stopped to play at FICGS and lost games without making a move (cancelling his qualification), but when reading the rules again, I realized that nothing prevented to make a replacement by the 2nd best score.

Consequently Paul Dao (CAN) is the challenger in 19th & 20th Go championships. Of course he will not have to play the 20th final match if he wins the 19th...

(better late than never, sorry for the delay)


Juri Eintalu    (2022-07-10 19:05:13)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

It seems that Russia and Belarus have not been suspended from the international chess federation ICCF.

The ICCF Extraordinary Congress tried to suspend Russian and Belarus federations.

Online voting was carried on 27 April - 09 May 2022.

https://www.iccf.com/congresses

ICCF homepage does not provide a clear result. I do not see it. The link to THAT Congress disappeared today.

The downloadable table of the voting results does not show in detail, what country made what decision.

An excerpt from the results:

***

EC 2022-003 Suspend the Russian Federation - Void if EC 2022-001 is Defeated

For 33, Against 10, Abstain 14
(I calculate that FOR: 58%)

Amendment of ICCF Statute Article 17, EC 2022-01 required 2/3 votes. The result was:

For 34, Against 10, Abstain 13.
I calculate that FOR: 60% which is less than the required 2/3 or 67%.

***

It seems that the ICCF did not succeed to change its Statute so as to allow the suspension of Russia and Belarus based on majority voting.

Unfortunately, in my homeland, there is no information available on how our representative voted (if he voted) and based on what considerations. The national federation also has not responded to my question sent officially through the ICCF server. I also do not see any relevant news on the national federation's website.


German Denegri    (2022-07-10 21:37:29)
Cancel vacations

yeah, but im little english and didnt check, it and now i have wait 30 days, maybe in future change rules option cancel vacation be nice for all members
Regards.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2022-07-16 11:31:00)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers

I live in Australia, vaccination was never a requirement for voting ...


Juri Eintalu    (2022-07-16 14:28:11)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers

It does not seem to be sufficiently exact information.


Herbert Kruse    (2022-08-03 05:52:20)
poker reflection time

u get 12 hours per move at first und if its at 5 days left, u get 24 hours, so time is not a problem


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-08 01:16:17)
poker reflection time

FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_01__000016 :
2 years and 10 months

FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_02__000016 :
2 years and 4 months

FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_03__000016 :
2 years and 5 months

FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_01__000015 :
2 years and 11 months

FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_02__000015 :
2 years and 9 months

FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_03__000015 :
2 years and 5 months


Well, as the final stage will be statistically shorter than stage 1, a complete cycle should take about 5 years, or almost 6 years.

I still agree that it is very long but I never found or read a solution that does not create a bigger problem... tough :/


Herbert Kruse    (2022-08-08 08:46:44)
poker reflection time

do you really think that my solution courses bigger problems


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-11 04:06:49)
poker reflection time

Not really, but it does not bring so much improvement (there will be players whose rhythm will take about the same total time at the end - if I understood well) while it complexifies the understanding of the time added per move, IMHO.


Herbert Kruse    (2022-08-13 11:41:31)
poker reflection time

complexity is no problem with poker players, but if u have 5 days left u psychologaly are more in speed modus

i guess 1-2 years shorter is possible


Frey Rafferty    (2022-08-15 01:10:41)
FICGS Titles

Hi!

Is there somewhere I can find the full requirements for all of the FICGS titles? Thanks


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-15 02:37:37)
poker reflection time

Among those who will have 5 days left regularly, some will lose games on time, that will bring some trouble in ratings (some will consider this is a problem, others not), but yes, that's a possibility, it may shorten tournaments.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-16 03:27:42)
poker reflection time

What do you think about simply reducing maximum accumulated time in poker holdem games? From 60 days to... 50 ? 40 ? 30 days?


Yeturu Aahlad    (2022-08-16 21:32:54)
respectful legacy

Today, an esteemed opponent, Aleksey Payzansky, a Ukrainian player, resigned all his Poker games against me. I've been wanting to start a discussion here on a FICGS policy of respectful legacy for some time now. What follows is a straw-man to start the discussion.
1. It is reasonable to require a minimum degree of prior participation before this policy applies.
2. Under appropriate circumstances, this policy may be applied retroactively.
3. If we know that a participant has died, it will trigger this policy.
4. If a participant announces that they will no longer participate or suspend their participation for an unknown length of time, it will trigger this policy. (Controversial - this is regardless of their reasons for doing so.)
5. If a participant stops participating for a prescribed length of time without any announcement, it will trigger this policy retroactively from the time the participation stopped. (Controversial - the intent is to give the participant the benefit of doubt.)

When the policy applies,
1. All of the participant's pending games (retroactively if applicable) will be adjudged. A player with a clear lead will be declared the winner. Games which are too close will be either declared a tie or removed from the record with no adjustment of ELO. (Controversial - time on the clock will not be a consideration in the adjudication.)
2. Returning participants will be welcomed. They will retain their ELO, and their degree of prior participation will be reset to zero.

I would be happy to see this policy applied retroactively to Aleksey if that is appropriate.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-19 00:40:38)
FICGS Titles

Hello Frey,

You can find all details about FICGS titles and norms here:

https://ficgs.com/membership.html#titles
...or...
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-19 02:51:26)
respectful legacy

Hello Yeturu,

Indeed, Aleksey is the last ukrainian player I didn't succeed to get news from yet (or who did not continue his games since the war started), after several attempts :/ I hope he's ok... The only Aleksey Payzansky on Facebook seems to be ok as of may, 2022 (no update since that time). As rules already specify, if I learn (soon or late) that he died during his games, his rating will be retroactively restored. But games have to end at one time, I guess.

About games where there is a clear lead, I don't think it can be a sufficient reason for adjudications, at least in poker games.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-20 18:35:27)
poker reflection time

Well, after some thinking and the help of another player who told me about that discussion, I have to add or specify several points:

- There is a "max time per move" rule (60 days)
- There is a "max accumulated time" rule (100 days: chess, 60 days: poker)

- The "max time per move" shouldn't be less than 45 days, because of the 45 days of vacation (or we should lower this number of days too).

- The "max accumulated time" can be 30 days while we have 45 days of vacation, there is no problem with that.

Nevertheless, it can be observed that players like me, who play about 1 move per day in each game, never reach the max accumulated time and keep the same rhythm all time long, so I'm afraid it will not change the game duration (sometimes about 1000 days) for us at least. And unfortunately, tournaments follow the rhythm of the slowest players.

Anyway, I'm ok to test that change and we'll look at the result after 1 year or so...


Garvin Gray    (2022-08-22 03:43:25)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

As I have just attended the in person 2022 ICCF Congress, and only just seen this thread, I will clarify some matters.

It is correct that before the matter of the situation in Ukraine, the ICCF statutes only allowed for a Member Federation to be suspended for financial reasons, and this could only be done at Congress ie by majority vote of the Federations.

Therefore, with the situation in Ukraine, the ICCF EB set up the Online Congress and proposals were arranged to deal with that situation. All proposals were designed only to last until the 2022 Congress in Glasgow ie they would be reviewed at the 2022 Congress and the Member Federations would vote again on whether to keep any sanctions, or not.

At the Extraordinary Congress- The Member Federations decided to vote to suspend both Russia and Belarus Federations, but not the individual players.

First of all, there needed to be a vote to change the Statutes, this is what required the 2/3 vote. And the count for the 2/3's is a simple 2/3 majority- For - Against, abstains don't count.

If abstains were to count, then the term would be an absolute majority. That is not the case here. It is a simple 2/3 majority to change the Statutes.

As is pointed out, 'However, that EC was online.' Hence why the Statues proposals vote was first.

If it did not receive the 2/3 simple majority and the Member Federations did not approve the change to allowing Member Federations to be suspended for non financial reasons, then all the other proposals would be null and void, no further voting would take place on the other proposals and no action could be taken against Russia or Belarus until the 2022 in person Congress in Glasgow.

And at the 2022 Congress, this suspension of the Russian and Belarus Federations were continued until the 2023 ICCF Congress in Amsterdam.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-27 02:10:07)
2022 Chess Cup-Group Leader(s)

Hello Misha. The algorithm shows "No leader" when there are at least 3 leaders (if I remember well)... This is just a way not to display too many names when it is the case.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-08-29 00:48:35)
2022 Chess Cup-Group Leader(s)

Oh... also, group leaders are updated about every 2 months (next update around September 1st)


Jan Zidu    (2022-09-19 03:37:50)
Repeated draw offers

In any case, I would introduce a rule that each player has the right to offer the opponent a draw repeatedly, but may not do so more than once every 10 moves. If the player follows this rule, he must not be sanctioned in any way. Does the introduction of such a rule present any problem?


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-09-26 14:24:10)
Magnus Carlsen vs. Hans Niemann

I guess that everyone here is aware about the Carlsen-Niemann drama... Of course, it is still difficult to make a clear idea, so what do you think about this video (in french but you can get subtitles)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PqORG75Cr4

If you know a video in english that say about the same (in brief, Niemann would have a 100% correlation with Stockfish 15 in several recent games, even more than in the cheating case in Paris few years ago, which is very very unlikely), thanks for sharing some more links...


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-09-26 14:57:04)
Magnus Carlsen vs. Hans Niemann

Though it is hard to believe that any OTB GM player would be stupid enough to be caught with such 100% correlation scores... As for me I'll wait for more analysis from different sources like this to make an opinion.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-09-27 01:40:11)
Magnus Carlsen vs. Hans Niemann

Now this other one in english...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3v_K2Kvssk

To be continued.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2022-09-27 15:28:37)
Next thematic tournament

Hi,
What is the theme of the next thematic tournament? Any change?


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-09-29 21:36:29)
Next thematic tournament

Change has been done:

Anti-Stonewall [Dutch: Alapin] 1.d4 f5 2.Qd3 d5 3.g4


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-10-06 03:32:17)
Magnus Carlsen vs. Hans Niemann

The complete report by chess.com

https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report


Patrycja Zerowska    (2022-10-06 09:54:59)
Threefold repetition

It seems that there is no way to claim a draw by threefold repetition on this site. In the game 136386, where I have Black, the position that occurred after my 50th move, is the same as that after my 58th move, and will be the same after my intended 60th move, namely 60... Bf7. I therefore claim a draw in this game.

Since apparently there is no "automatic arbiter" to process the claim, I called the "referee" on 1 October 2022 (5 days ago), explaining that I made a draw claim as described above (and mentioning my intended move), but I haven't received a reaction yet.

This particular game has been a dead draw at least since move 35. I offered a draw after my 35th move and on my 59th move. Both offers were declined.

1. Why is there no automatic arbiter which processes draw claims? If I am not mistaken, this site exists more than 15 years already, and yet the Laws of Chess are not yet fully implemented.

2. Why can't I stop my clock when I make such a claim? See art. 9.5 of FIDE's Laws of Chess.

3. Why doesn't the arbiter or the referee stop my clock? Without this, a player making a claim can timeout, or, when she is short on time, may be reluctant to make a draw claim.

4. Why doesn't the referee take action? Is there a referee at all?

In the rules section of this site I read: "Also, there is no way to stop the clocks, players cannot claim that they stopped to play after they called the referee for any reason..." This is a violation of the rules of chess; it implies that on this site it is not chess that is being played, but a weird chess variant. Of course I disagree with this corruption of the playing rules, and so should everyone who call themselves chess players!

Your strange rules also state that the referee will "act as soon as possible", but so far, after five days, no referee has shown up. So you are not even acting in agreement to your own rules.

Finally, I find in your rules the following statement: "All games are played until a player resign, accept draw, or lose on time." This is the most ridiculous "rule" I have ever encountered. Not only renders this farcical rule a win by checkmate illegitimate, it is a blatant ignoring of the Laws of Chess, which allow games to be ended by accepted draw claims, or for any other reason at the discretion of an arbiter.


Scott Ligon    (2022-10-07 01:20:05)
Threefold repetition

I don't think you have to claim the draw. When threefold repetition occurs (after you submit your next move), I believe the site software will automatically declare the game a draw. In a recent game of mine, that's what happened. I got the email notification that the game was a draw almost immediately after submitting the move that resulted in the third repetition, too quickly for my opponent to have accepted my draw offer. Maybe the draw offer is necessary for the draw to happen, I don't know about that, but if it automatically recognizes the repetition I see no reason why it would matter whether there was a draw offer.

As for when / if the arbiter should act in positions that seem obviously drawn, I don't know how that's handled and I have nothing to say about that.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-10-07 02:58:17)
Threefold repetition

Hello Patrycja,

Sorry for the delay, I just saw the email indeed... As Scott says, you have to play the move anyway before to claim a draw (if the site does not recognize it automatically). It seems to me that's how work most chess websites.


1. Why is there no automatic arbiter which processes draw claims? If I am not mistaken, this site exists more than 15 years already, and yet the Laws of Chess are not yet fully implemented.

> The only way to claim a draw after a threefold repetition is to play the move.


2. Why can't I stop my clock when I make such a claim? See art. 9.5 of FIDE's Laws of Chess.

> FICGS offers (mainly) correspondence chess, that is not OTB chess, and some FIDE laws do not apply here.


3. Why doesn't the arbiter or the referee stop my clock? Without this, a player making a claim can timeout, or, when she is short on time, may be reluctant to make a draw claim.

> FICGS is an automatic place, mainly. Games continue even if the referee has to take action later.


4. Why doesn't the referee take action? Is there a referee at all?

> There is one. But he may take some time... the forum & chat are good alternatives to get answers to any question.


Patrycja Zerowska    (2022-10-08 00:56:47)
Threefold repetition

Mr. Thbault de Vassal, you say that this case is treated the same way on most chess websites. This is not true. At the ICCF website, which is the standard for correspondence chess, the draw must be claimed (this in agreement with the Laws of Chess):

" ICCF:
9.2.1 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by a player having the move, when the same position for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves):
9.2.1.1 is about to appear, declares to the tournament director (or the server) the intention to make this move, or
9.2.1.2 has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.

At other websites, the rule is also correctly applied:

chess-mail.com
"8. To check the draw ( threefold repetition ; the fifty-move rule ) : Click on "Send and offer the draw". "

Gameknot:
"To declare the draw in a game due to the threefold repetition rule, please use "Declare draw" link located directly below the game board."

None of these sites violates the correct rule.

The FICGS way of handling this case involves several violations of the rules. First of all, the draw must be claimed. This rule exists for more than 100 years, and the advent of server chess hasn't changed it. Secondly, you require me to make a move, thereby taking back my claim and my intended move. Every beginner is told that it is forbidden to take back a move, a draw claim or a draw offer. Thirdly, you refuse to stop the clocks, allowing a player to lose on time by your inaction. This "inaction" constitutes interference in the course of the game by a third party, which is forbidden. Fourthly, your bot wants to automatically end the game when there is threefold repetition (or 50-move rule). Again this is forbidden by the rules! A bot can only act upon a claim, and never when there is no claim. With all these violations, we are no longer talking about chess, but about an undesirable chess variant.

It would be so easy to add a button under the chess board, where a player can make a draw claim. Why isn't this done?

You or your referee still hasn't taken action, and a whole week has passed since my claim.

I have always - since 1972 - played according to the rules and I refuse to violate the rules here and now. Therefore I won't make a move; it is forbidden.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-10-09 02:06:07)
Threefold repetition

... or you can lose on time or resign &/or cancel your membership, of course.


Misha Allport    (2022-10-11 01:48:33)
Rating System.....

.....which rating system(i.e Elo, Glicko, URS etc. etc.) is used by FICGS?


Patrycja Zerowska    (2022-10-13 08:16:44)
Threefold repetition

"... or you can lose on time or resign &/or cancel your membership, of course."

Of course... And then you ask yourself why so many strong players have left your site in the past. The answer should be very clear, not only from this incident, but also from the archived forum posts, which yield plenty of indications.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-10-13 15:18:41)
Threefold repetition

I don't ask myself, I know that there are many reasons (many players told me why), but one of them may be the one [FIDE chess rules] you mentioned, I don't know, noone told me about this one before.


Herbert Kruse    (2022-10-21 10:52:59)
Magnus Carlsen vs. Hans Niemann

Breaking News: Hans Niemann is suing!

https://en.chessbase.com/post/breaking-news-hans-niemann-is-suing


Yeturu Aahlad    (2022-10-25 03:45:09)
respectful legacy

Luis is another esteemed opponent and very dear friend from a different troubled region of our world. Once again, should death be the only consideration for the restoration of a player's legacy?
https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=135663


Ilmars Cirulis    (2022-10-28 01:45:20)
What about this position?

If white to move, it's win for them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-10-29 23:55:22)
What about this position?

I think you are right, as far as I remember, there is no "insufficient material" rule applying here.


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-11-22 02:31:19)
I did not win a game since 3 years

Voilà un débat qui pourrait être intéressant...

Stanislas' message in english:

"I've been playing on this computer-assisted site for 15 years. Fifteen years ago to win a game you had to use several analysis programs depending on the game phases. I seem to remember that Hiarcs was better in the final than the other programs. Until a few years ago, it was possible to find fortresses that resisted the onslaught of the adversary, even when my program told me that I had lost. But it's been 3 years since I only won against players who played without the help of the computer or who made a mistake when playing their move. What I would like is that a solution be found to restore interest in the game by correspondence."


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2022-11-25 10:20:51)
I did not win a game since 3 years

I think you don't have to go as far as to play dubious variations, as long as the chosen variations (for a thematic tournament) still have some 'music' left in them. I also have two suggestions: the Rio gambit against the Berlin wall and the following transposition into the Rubinstein variation of the French defence: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4. Besides, lately I still have won a game against the King's gambit with black. But this is much harder than holding a draw with white, so I would not define success for white as a draw and for black as a win in this case.


Scott Ligon    (2022-11-25 16:20:13)
I did not win a game since 3 years

The problem with the two opening you suggested is that they're too good. Neither side made a mistake, so the engines will hold the draw every time (barring human error). The King's Gambit is a step in the right direction for a thematic tournament (with engines), and as long as everyone has an equal number of whites and blacks that's fair enough. I still think it's too easy for white to draw in the KGA with Nf3. The KGA with Bc4 is a bit more treacherous though I've explored it enough to be confident that white holds the draw. Anyway, I do think the openings need to be somewhat dubious or it's too easy for engines to draw.


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2022-11-25 16:48:19)
I did not win a game since 3 years

In case of the openings I mentioned earlier, I think there is a possibility for white to hold on to an advantage. The problem is that with the superhuman playing strength of engines nowadays, one will have to study harder than before to keep up with the engine. But now, after I studied these variations in detail, it has become clear. In practice one nowadays will have to have the right approach before the game to the played opening, otherwise I think it is not doable anymore to find the way to any white advantage during the game. This can be frustrating, but also in OTB chess more and more engine designed defences are played, so it is prudent to study these "unbeatable" defences.


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-11-27 21:46:50)
I did not win a game since 3 years

I think it's better to play a position with players can't open the center. But i'm ok to play a thematic tournament with black and white on bishop's gambit. Rated if it's possible Thibault


Scott Ligon    (2022-11-27 22:06:35)
I did not win a game since 3 years

If you mean John Shaw's book on the King's Gambit, I have that book and he did say that the Bishop's Gambit is refuted. But he qualifies what he means: "In this context I define the term 'refutation' as Black being better in all variations, not winning by force." Not much of a refutation. If you search my game history, I have played the Bishop's Gambit several times and I haven't lost. That's why I'm confident white can hold the draw.

I'd be willing to play in that thematic tournament, and I'd be very well prepared.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2022-11-29 19:50:02)
I did not win a game since 3 years

Heh, the discussion reminds my efforts to refute Traxler (with Bxf7). :D We had some thematic games where draw counted as loss for white.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2022-11-30 01:06:20)
I did not win a game since 3 years

> I still believe that Traxler counter attack could bring really good matches, tournaments & championships :)

I'm currently using my e-points for Big Chess matches, but when I get enough of them (Big Chess matches), I would like to play white against Traxler (for e-points, draw counts as loss for white). :D


Thibault de Vassal    (2022-11-30 22:12:10)
I did not win a game since 3 years

Of course, it is rarely played (and maybe you count thematic tournaments)... but the aim is to find complex lines that decrease the rate of draws, right?


Ilmars Cirulis    (2022-12-03 21:58:05)
I did not win a game since 3 years

Maybe someone wants to play Bishop gambit thematic games/matches? I'm interested.

But not the fast time control... instead at least +1 day/move, if possible. To ensure greater quality of the games. :)

Right now I have almost no e-points, though. If that matters.


Stanislas Gounant    (2022-12-04 23:28:09)
I did not win a game since 3 years

Thibault, is it possible to have thematics tournaments, double round robin and in a starting position unbalanced ?


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-01-02 03:18:49)
poker reflection time

The prize is the one specified in the WCH waiting list page at the time it is awarded... it never changed so far so it will be 100 epoints.

Wow, different matter but I realize I never took the time to made the change discussed before. Thanks for the reminder.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-02-05 20:53:53)
Advertising a win or a draw with 7th or

You found the right way (email or any way to contact webmaster)...

As of January 2023, rule is :

"11. 5. Adjudications

In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious.

If time control is superior to 1 day and if a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated. An analysis submitted by a player should contain sufficient information so that no doubt is possible. This may include a sequence of moves, but in some circumstances it may be sufficient to claim a win or a draw on the basis of material or positional advantage. Final decision belongs to referee."


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-03-30 21:52:40)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

Extract from your open letter:

"Second, this decision was discriminatory and selective. For example, US correspondence chess players were not punished for the fact that the US had started wars in Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia.


Well, many can agree that some US representatives should be judged for what looks like obvious lies but isn't it a bit short to compare Russia's war in Ukraine to what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia? (that are quite different cases by the way, involving different groups of countries)

It seems that most russians in Russia still support this war ("special op") while everyone ignored the truth about those weapons in Irak (in example). Any context should be analyzed in depth IMHO. Would you accept to play chess with players from a country that just completely destroyed yours and who think at -randomly- 80% probability that it was a good thing (and incidentally that you are a nazi)?

Here, players from Russia & Belarus can still play chess under a neutral flag partly because I can't filter players geographically (I know russians who left their country because they are against this war) but this remain a complex question that depends on many things.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-03-31 09:09:17)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

To Thibault de Vassal:

Thank you for taking a look at my open letter on Medium.

“... isn’t it a bit short to compare Russia’s war in Ukraine to what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia? (that are quite different cases by the way, involving different groups of countries)â€

If country A starts a war against country B, the relevant question is whether that war is justified or unjustified, whether it is a war of aggression or, instead, the attacker has the right to do so.

By now, it is a piece of common knowledge that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were wars of aggression.

Chess organisations FIDE and ICCF have punished Russian chess organisations for the Russian invasion of Ukraine while not punishing the US chess organisations for the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. FIDE and ICCF have not presented any comprehensive analyses about how justified or unjustified some of those wars are. You are turning the burden of proof around and accusing me of not delivering the arguments that FIDE and ICCF had to present.

“It seems that most russians in Russia still support this war (“special opâ€) while everyone ignored the truth about those weapons in Irak (in example). Any context should be analysed in depth IMHO.â€

Excuse me, but I cannot follow what you are trying to say.

You argue that any context should be analysed in-depth, but you fail to hint at why Russia should be punished and the US should not. Your only fact mentioned, “everyone ignored the truth about those weapons in Irakâ€, remains mysterious. I do not understand in what context you are saying this.

We know already for ten years that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.

Concerning your other remarks, I make only one reply. We know that there are saliently some Nazis in Ukraine.

Here, on the chess forum, I technically cannot answer in detail to your several remarks that, in my mind, are all somewhat inexact or vague.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-03-31 16:56:17)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

Hello Juri,

Thanks for taking time to develop...

I agree that justification is the (never easy) key.

After thinking about it, I may also agree that it is possible in a certain measure to compare russians ignorance during Ukraine's war to americans ignorance during Iraq's war. A difference is that Russia's government acts like a dictator (russians are condemned as soon as they show against this war)

I do agree that US should probably be punished for some wars (at least for the the announced reasons and what actually happened - number of civil deaths, etc.), by an International Court of Justice.

On this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

I quite agree that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were aggressions 'stricto sensu', but...

- I cannot agree that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were similar to what happens in Ukraine. The aim was probably partly oil-related but AFAIK it was not to introduce separatism, it was not to annex territories, it was not to spread a dictatorship, it was not to force people to change their culture & national identity (but yes, this may happen in Ukraine just like it happens in Russia, for the same reasons)...

- Saddam Hussein was a true & violent dictator who was probably a reason enough to move his regime, just like it is the case with talibans, IMHO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

It seems to me that it is very possible to justify to fight &/or to remove some dictatorships.

Russia should obviously be punished for many reasons:

- Annexion of territories (that has no nothing to do with their nazis justifications... their argument is mainly "history").
- Numerous crimes of war (that will be documented)

Finally, there are nazis quite everywhere, even in France. The question is "how many" and what do they do? The Russia's argument does not try to be subtle or precise on this matter, it just looks like "europeans turned nazi cause Europe helps Ukraine", right?


Juri Eintalu    (2023-03-31 21:13:22)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

You are quoting me wrongly. And you are doing it intentionally.

Moreover, I was talking about whether FIDE and ICCF decisions were justified. My argument was that these decisions applied some important principles discriminatively, selectively.

Suddenly, you started to talk about whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified. You also started to talk about war crimes.

Let me remind that the ICCF started a process of banning the Russian team just a few days after the Russian invasion began.Thus, your arguments about what happened months later might be pretty irrelevant.

Let me also remind you that you decided to talk ONLY about Russian war crimes in Ukraine. You dismissed the US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, the war crimes committed during the Donbas civil war (both Ukraine and the separatists committed war crimes there), and, finally, you also dismissed the war crimes committed by Ukraine in the present war.

And now, before I answered to your mess, you managed to attack me personally.

My answer to your provocative questions is that if the political regime will go absolutely crazy, then I will not defend that regime against anyone. But I still hope that it will not go absolutely crazy.

Anyway, I will not discuss with you anymore, because you are systematically ignoring important relevant facts and you regularly change the context of discussion.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-03-31 22:52:44)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?

Sorry if I quoted you wrongly... Could you specify?

Yes, first you were talking about wether FIDE and ICCF decisions were justified, but our discussion went on the global case:

you said (quote):

"If country A starts a war against country B, the relevant question is whether that war is justified or unjustified, whether it is a war of aggression or, instead, the attacker has the right to do so. "

"You argue that any context should be analysed in-depth, but you fail to hint at why Russia should be punished and the US should not."

So let's separate discussions: one is about FIDE/ICCF decisions, the other one is about war & its justifications.

About ICCF, I am not aware of a process to ban the russian team just after the invasion, I'm not sure what it means as well... does this mean that the russian team should have played under a neutral banner (that could be understandable), or does this mean that the whole team (every player) was banned?

I have no problem to talk about US war crimes in these countries... if you read my post again, there is a link to a page that deals with it.

I have no problem to talk about war crimes commited by Ukraine as well. There were war crimes for sure. There are proofs of that.

Questions remain: how many, for what aim... Everything will be analyzed.

My additional questions were not provocative, these are real questions to better understand your point of view. But I did not understand your answer (or you did not answer ?!)

Feel free to continue the discussion, you're welcome.


Pavel Hase    (2023-05-23 13:57:57)
Problem players.

Why are players still accepted into tournaments who overwhelmingly fail to finish their games or lose on time? A tady zase jednoho po pár letech vidím - stále to samé. Plus několik dalších.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-05-27 03:36:48)
Problem players.

Hello Pavel, please send a private message to me mentioning the tournaments you think about... I'll have a look at it. Many thanks in advance.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2023-06-03 02:14:47)
GUI for Big Chess?

I tried the winboard for that purpose but Winboard has extremely weird/annoying way of adding variations to the game file.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-07-05 03:08:35)
allport_misha: Withdrawal from 2023 CWC

If you cannot play, there will be a replacement.

My very best wishes, Thibault


Herbert Kruse    (2023-07-06 11:57:47)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_1+2__000026
i meant


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-07-27 19:06:48)
FIDE rating change proposal

Maybe you heard about this strange proposal made by a mathematician to make FIDE ratings (<2000) more coherent against some deflation...

http://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-seeks-proposals-rating-changes

http://www.chess.com/news/view/fide-mathematician-proposes-changes-to-improve-rating-accuracy


I'm somewhat doubtful about this idea to change some data rather than the algorithm, what do you think?


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2023-08-09 13:46:12)
Next thematic tournament

I offer new thematic Fajarowitz d4 Nf6 c4 e5 de Ne4


Juri Eintalu    (2023-08-09 22:29:42)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

I have not made any political posts on the Forum.
Quite to the contrary: I have criticized politicizing sports.

I am shocked by the answers I received from Garvin Gray and Thibault de Vassal. I do not think their comments exemplify a civilized discussion. The problem is that they are not arbitrary chess players but chess organizers. I conclude that rational discussion with those who support politicizing chess is impossible.

I had already forgotten the FICGS server, but now I have received a notification that someone has commented on my old post.

Bogoljub Teverovski announces on 09 August 2023:

"A self-ban of karjakin continues"

No hints have been made about what event he is talking about—no references, links, or explanations.

I can only understand that Bogoljub regards the FIDE ban on Karjakin as a Karjakin's SELF-ban.

Let me add that 1 e2-e4 is the initial move of the Queen's gambit, and 1 Ng1-f3 is the most popular opening in checkers.

I am logging out from the FICGS not to receive any notifications anymore.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-08-10 00:10:24)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN

Unfortunately, and I find it quite sad myself, everything is politics (at some point at least).

In my opinion, deciding to attack a country, collaterally killing thousands of russian & ukrainian people (to "save" how many? [if it was really the purpose]), while hoping there will not be any other collateral consequences by arguing that sport, trading, culture & so on should not be politicized is surely not realistic. Of course this war was about culture, trading & even sport long time before to bring russian tanks in Ukraine.

The fact that Karjakin is supporting this russian invasion (consequently banning himself) seems very secondary here...

Farewell (or not).


Scott Ligon    (2023-08-10 00:48:11)
Next thematic tournament

The Budapest's less respectable cousin. Might just be losing for black but I'm not entirely sure. If engines are allowed, I'm interested.


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2023-08-18 14:32:53)
Next thematic tournament

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 h6 5. c3 d6 6. Nbd2 g5

Two knights defence, pianissimo invitation, declined. Played by some top gm's like Caruana. Seems to give white an edge, but is it winning?


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2023-09-02 07:39:02)
Next thematic tournament

Smyslov Nimzo-Indian: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 a5 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Nbxd2 O-O 7. e3 d6 8. Nb1 b6 9. Nc3 Bb7 10. Bd3

The knight manoeuvre on moves 8 and 9 is unexplored.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-09-05 02:32:16)
Next thematic tournament

Thanks for the suggestions (will be applied for next tournaments).


Vadrya Pokshtya    (2023-11-03 07:37:46)
Battle of Kings

As the inventor of many chess variants that can be played on the Internet, I want to share with you a mind-blowing chess variant.
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Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-05 18:00:41)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

The following paragraph was added after the publication of the first version of the Public Appeal:

“However, at a non-individual, organisational, official level, the third point above, which calls for public condemnation of Israel’s actions, should be avoided. Notably, the Israeli police have threatened to severely punish anyone who criticises Israel’s current military action in the Gaza Strip. It is unreasonable to formally demand that a sports person should make such a statement, which would result in him being punished by the authorities in his own country.â€


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-14 03:57:14)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Herbert Kruse:

"... our older generations did the holocaust, so for me its never again, so i am with jews always!"

"Holocaust" is the name of a historical event.
"Genocide" is a concept derived from that event.
Shortly after WWII, the first international conventions preventing genocide were adopted.

Today, we have:

Article 6 "Genocide" of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court

https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf

Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention (= Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide)

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

There is one serious problem that has arisen.

Israel's actions toward the Palestinians, particularly in the Gaza Strip, since October 2023 seem to match the definition of genocide exactly.

Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity were sufficiently proven already in 2014.

https://www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/TRP-Concl.-Gaza-EN.pdf

Jews are like all the other nations. In Israel, they have their state, government, and so on.

The problem is with the politics of that government, not with Jews.


Herbert Kruse    (2023-11-14 13:05:42)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

When the Nazis brought in the communists, I remained silent; I wasn't a communist.

When they brought the trade unionists, I remained silent, I wasn't a trade unionist.

When they took the Jews, I remained silent, I wasn't a Jew.

When they took me there was no one left to protest.

– Martin Niemöller


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-15 01:32:18)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Herbert Kruse:

"jews fear for their lifes in germany now"

Collective punishment is banned by the international law.

Collective punishment during war activities is considered a war crime.

Right now, Israel is applying collective punishment towards the Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip.

It was amazingly explicit in the speech of Israel's president.

The current rise of antisemitism outside of Israel is a reaction to Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, but this antisemitism is too collective punishment.

In my Public Appeal, I have explicitly said that in the case of chess sanctions, the Jews should not be targeted. No discrimination is allowed based on nationality.

My Public Appeal addresses only Israel's current administration.

Besides, there are some interesting facts about Jewish great thinkers.

After WWII, Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt published her famous book

"The Roots of Totalitarianism"

The Stalinist regime and the Hitlerian regime were both regarded as totalitarian regimes in that book.

I have read that Arendt had conflicts with ultra-Zionists after WWII.

Albert Einstein wrote a letter on 10 April 1948. It was 1 day after the Deir Yassin massacre, committed by Israel's radical Zionists. Einstein called them "terrorists" and declared that he did not want to see them or talk to them.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-15 21:44:51)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Dear Herbert Kruse

My Public Appeal is about the sports sanctions, particularly about the chess sanctions, in the context of the Ukraine/Russia war and the more recent Israel/Palestine war.

My position is that it is wrong to politicise sports and, therefore, it was wrong to impose chess sanctions on Russia and Ukraine. The chess sanctions imposed on Russia and Ukraine should be lifted.

However, if these sanctions remain in force and politicising sports is regarded as a new normal, I think similar sanctions should be imposed on all countries that have seriously violated the international conventions.

Since October 2023, Israel has committed serious war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip (and elsewhere too).

Therefore, I suggest that if the chess sanctions imposed on Russia and Belarus will not be removed, then similar sanctions should be imposed on Israel.

For example, Israel should be excluded from the International Correspondence Chess Federation membership.

I explained all these points in my Public Appeal.

In your replies, you have actually not addressed my arguments presented in the Public Appeal.

First, you started to talk about the Jews in Germany. But the word "Jew(s)" appeared only once in my Public Appeal - to declare that the sanctions should be imposed on the states or the citizens of states and not based on ethnicity:

"As far as the Jews are concerned, collective punishment must not be applied to them. No one may be accused or discriminated against based on their nationality."

Finally, you started to talk about Israel's right to self-defence. Again, this distorts the content of my Public Appeal. I have nowhere and never denied Israel's right to self-defence. However, from the right to self-defence, it in no way follows that one has a right to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Unnecessarily killing a large number of unarmed civilians is a war crime, and it cannot be justified by referring to self-defence or the war crimes the other side has earlier committed.

Unfortunately, I cannot continue discussing this with you, as you have systematically ignored the content of my Public Appeal.


Herbert Kruse    (2023-11-17 05:24:32)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

I wished you Had more emphaty for the victims


Herbert Kruse    (2023-11-17 08:00:18)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

btw, the palestinian have rich friends, who could use their money to make their lifes better, but the use it for weapons and make the people their pawn sacrifice to destroy israel und jews at all


and i must say, that in my opinion netanyahu should be in prison for his corruption and try to weaken the democraty, which obvioulsly a lot of israelis think too as u could see in the big protest month ago.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-11-17 19:27:42)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

First of all, Russell Tribunal in Palestine was criticized:

"Judge Richard Goldstone, writing in The New York Times in October 2011, said of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine that "It is not a 'tribunal.' The 'evidence' is going to be one-sided and the members of the 'jury' are critics whose harsh views of Israel are well known. In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute."[34]

South African journalist and human rights activist Benjamin Pogrund, now living in Israel, described the Cape Town Session of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine as "It's theatre: the actors know their parts and the result is known before they start. Israel is to be dragged into the mud."[35]

After the Cape Town session, Israeli MK Otniel Schneller filed a complaint with the Knesset's Ethics Committee against MK Hanin Zoabi, who testified at the Tribunal that "Israel is an apartheid state".[36]

A group of Jewish South Africans protested against the court, and the organiser of the protest called it a "Kangaroo Court."[37]

Daniele Archibugi and Alice Pease have argued that it is a rather common practice that those accused of international crimes challenge the impartiality of their accusers. And it may be the case that the organisers of opinion tribunals, as of any other tribunal, might be biased or produce insufficient evidence. But to further develop the rule of law, those which are unsatisfied about the outcomes of these tribunals should be able to produce further evidence and legal arguments rather than unsubstantiated criticism. Legal discourse, they argue, is necessarily based on the opposition of contrasting views.[38] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Tribunal


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-11-17 20:03:54)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Then, it would be difficult not to make differences between Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Hamas... the war between Israel & Hamas is very old, very complex & obviously has no reason to end, while the war between Ukraine & Russia is more recent and there is still some hope that it may come to an end (IMHO).

Several things are quite sure to me:

- Israel made bad things for a while in this region. Hamas is an islamist movement that made bad things as well. Most civilians are probably victims of these systems. Recently, Hamas chose to attack civilians instead of Israel (this is a war crime, no ambiguity there), Israel now does everything to destroy Hamas, making many victims among civilians. But this may not be war crimes according to definition. Nothing obvious there, we'll see.

- Ukraine is attacked mainly because Poutine (at least) argues it historically belongs to Russia with no consideration of its recent history & international treaties (and among other reasons because he obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans). There are few doubts that war crimes have been committed there.

No, definitely the comparison seems not valid and I see no reason why it should lead FIDE, ICCF or any chess/sport organization to consider it.


Vadrya Pokshtya    (2023-11-17 20:38:28)
Battle of Kings

Thanks, but you are wrong about the engine being able to crush this chess variant ;)
Knowledgeable people, programmers with whom I had the opportunity to talk about this chess variant, argued that not a single engine would be able to adequately evaluate positions in the Battle of Kings due to the colossal combinatorial complexity of the game.
Please note that the server bot plays very, very weakly. The program does not understand the concept of the game and makes a superficial assessment of the position based on material balance.
Playing against a bot is very different from playing against a human.
At the moment you can play by correspondence against other players here https://www.schemingmind.com/default.aspx
or here
https://games.dtco.ru/

Thank you again for your positive feedback!


Vadrya Pokshtya    (2023-11-17 21:36:46)
Battle of Kings

On average, a game lasts 70-80 moves. This is provided that the players understand what they are doing. Otherwise the game may end quickly.
Since, unlike ordinary chess, the board does not become empty as events develop on the board, but on the contrary, the evolution of chess pieces pushes towards the collapse of the entire system, its finitude is obvious. The spawning process cannot last forever - everything is limited by the 8x8 chessboard.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-18 03:05:36)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Herbert Kruse:

"I wished you Had more emphaty for the victims"

After all, you are directly insulting and slandering me.

Get lost, Mr Herbert Kruse.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-18 03:24:26)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

to Thibault de Vassal:

It is beside the point whether the Russell Tribunal on Palestine was biased or not.

What is essential is that you have said nothing about the facts and statistic presented by that tribunal.

You are talking about the apartheid. But you ignore the context in which I mentioned the Russell Tribunal on Palestine. I was talking about that tribunal because it presented facts, that already in 2014, Israel's actions concerning the Gaza Strip were very close to genocide.

Thus, your remarks concerning the Russell Tribunal on Palestine are beside the point and avoiding the theme.

Moreover, independently of any Russel tribunals, it is evident and clear that there is an apartheid regime in Israel and occupied Palestine territories.

First of all, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are surrounded by a high wall with barbered wire.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-18 03:57:22)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

to Thibault de Vassal:

"Recently, Hamas chose to attack civilians instead of Israel (this is a war crime, no ambiguity there), Israel now does everything to destroy Hamas, making many victims among civilians. But this may not be war crimes according to definition. Nothing obvious there, we'll see."

The 07 October attack is quite recent, and I would not say that all the circumstances are clear. For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians.

The only thing that is sure is that some number of civilians were killed by Hamas. It is sure, because Israel accuses Hamas of killing the civilians, and one of Hamas leaders has publicly admitted, that during that attack, Hamas killed some civilians "accidentally".

Killing civilians may make it a war crime. Intentionally killing civilians may make it an act of terrorism.

After the 07 October attack, Israel has killed awfully many civilians in the Gaza Strip. I totally agree with those experts who say that such a bombing of the sieged territory is not self-defence and it is a war crime - at the very least.

Note that during the 07 October attack, approximately 1200 people were killed, some of them were soldiers, and the others were civilians, many of them unarmed civilians.

Under Israel's bombs, in the Gaza Strip, during one month, more than 10,000 unarmed civilians were killed. Most of them were women and children. And it has not yet ended.

As of now, no one of the participants in the present discussion has said anything at all about the content of my Public Appeal. It seems that no one has even read it, despite I inserted the link into my initial post. I did not try to present the text directly here, on the Forum, as it was perhaps too lengthy for the Forum.

I shall provide the link to my Public Appeal again:

https://medium.com/@eintalu/a-public-appeal-to-chess-organisations-on-the-bombing-of-the-gaza-strip-be56afd3f5ca

Concerning civilian causalities of the Gaza bombing, and the comparison of the Ukraine war and the Israel war, I provided the following information in my Public Appeal:


<International organisations confirm that Israel has managed to kill more children in the Gaza Strip in one month in 2023 than were killed in all the war zones on the planet in the whole of 2022. In fact, significantly more children have been killed by Israeli bombs in one month than in two years of war in Ukraine. See also, e.g.:

“GAZA: 3,195 CHILDREN KILLED IN THREE WEEKS SURPASSES ANNUAL NUMBER OF CHILDREN KILLED IN CONFLICT ZONES SINCE 2019â€
Save the Children, 29 October 2023

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-3195-children-killed-three-weeks-surpasses-annual-number-children-killed-conflict-zones# >


Now, while talking about the attacks on civilians, you (as other participants of the discussion) simply ignore my Public Appeal.

Concerning your political views about the real intentions of Russia when starting a war against Ukraine, what you present dogmatically and without evidence - the only sober reply is that dogmatically and without evidence, one could as well assert whatever about the Israeli real intentions concerning the Gaza war.

However, we have direct evidence from the public speeches of Israel's leadership, that the intentions of the Gaza war are genocidal.

I conclude that you are trying to whitewash Israeli large-scale war crimes and crimes against humanity while ignoring the text of my Public Appeal.


Herbert Kruse    (2023-11-18 16:23:33)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

"I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. "

for that u dont need empathy, u need to be in prison!


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-11-18 19:42:16)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Juri, when you say << For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. >>, I'm not sure if your topic is determinism or something else but obviously you cannot be sure of anything. Did you watch the videos? Anyway, any army killing or kidnapping civilians is a war crime for sure and that's most probably terrorism in this case.

On Israel response, many experts say different things, so it remains unclear yet to me. (it is important not to listen what one want to hear only)

About your text, you seem to neglict all contextual elements to compare Russia, Thaïland, Congo, North Korea, China or whatever situation in any country... No chess organization reacted much when Peng Shuai (chinese tennis star) disappeared, but tennis world reacted! For Rohingya, Karabakh or about war in Irak or Afghanisatan. How many chess players in these countries? That is not the same. Russia & Ukraine are among the most influential chess nations in the world. Russia is the biggest country, has the most nuclear weapons. That's why it seems pertinent that chess players and organizations take position towards not just peace (undermeaning "do what Russia wants"), but a fair and right peace.

You say : "Concerning your political views about the real intentions of Russia when starting a war against Ukraine, what you present dogmatically and without evidence"

The evidence is in Putin's speeches, "Russia defends its interests", obviously Ukraine (another country for a while) should not be free of his choices, in example to join an alliance to protect itself just like Finland or other countries... Obviously Ukraine is Russia's interest and should not join OTAN. Did ever OTAN attack Russia?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dgy4vYTp_Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxS9YIBeJbY

Watching full speeches is even more instructive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzr0K0CE0M

Putin's rhetoric remains both crude and manipulative, appealing to people's conservative reflexes. And it works on most people who get outraged at the slightest conspiracy theory, it's no coincidence.

Finally, the argument saying that there shouldn't be politics in chess or sports has no foundations other than a subjective point of view.

You say that these bans by FIDE were out of international laws and that the same restrictions should apply to israeli playesrs... well, so just prove it and make appeal I guess. Karjakin probably thought about that already!?

Meanwhile, these discussions are only point of views.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-19 00:58:48)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

ARGUMENTS CONCERNING THE RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR

None of the commentators explained why it was necessary and reasonable to politicise sports and to impose sanctions on Russia and Belarus. No one answered my corresponding arguments from my Public Appeal. No one explained why the sanctions were imposed on Russia for the invasion of Ukraine, while no sanctions were imposed on the US for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

HERBERT KRUSE PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING "ARGUMENT":

"like Ukraine Israel had its "Butcha" at the music festival, so who attacked?

and there were constant rockets on Israel from Gaza, should they just allow it?

and the hostiges should just given up?

if my state can not defend me, maybe u can help?!"

This emotional and psychological manipulation completely ignored all my relevant arguments and explanations.

Now, let us take only the first phrase of this mumbo-jumbo:

"like Ukraine Israel had its 'Butcha' at the music festival, so who attacked?"

My Public Appeal was about chess sanctions. Now, the data are as follows:

2022, February 24:
Russia started its invasion of Ukraine

2022, February 27:
An extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Council was held on the current situation and the urgent measures to be taken after the military action launched by Russia in Ukraine.
https://fide.com/news/1603

Thus, it seems that they waited for the beginning of the Russian invasion and had a plan for how to react, as they responded only a few days later.

Israel had occupied Palestinian territories for 55 years, but the chess federation FIDE had never reacted.

2022, March 16:
Russia and Belarus teams suspended from FIDE competitions.
https://fide.com/news/1638

2022, March 30:
Russian troops leave Bucha (near Kyiv).

2022, April 01:
The corpses in Bucha were discovered.

Now, the first obvious problem with Herbert Kruse's "argument" is that the timeline proves that the chess sanctions on Russia were imposed BEFORE the corpses in Bucha were discovered.

The second problem is that he does not know or pretends not to know the definitions of such terms as "war crime".

The third problem is that, as a matter of fact, we do NOT know WHEN these people were executed, and we do NOT know WHO executed them.

It is so because there were actually TWO massacres in Bucha.
The shelling killed some people, "The Guardian" reported. These people were lying on the streets. The satellite images proved that they were killed before the Russian Army left the town.
However, some people were executed in the cellars. Unfortunately, the satellite images cannot prove the time of the executions in the cellars.
There is one additional problem. Ukraine has not made public the names and personal data of the victims. Therefore, we do not even know what percentage of the victims were Ukrainians and what percentage were Russians.

THIBAULT THE VASSAL PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING SEQUENCE OF ARGUMENTS:

"Ukraine is attacked mainly because Poutine (at least) argues it historically belongs to Russia with no consideration of its recent history & international treaties (and among other reasons because he obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans)."

Thibault has no evidence whatsoever for one's claim that Putin "obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans)." There is even no evidence to the claim that the Russian administration thinks that the majority of Ukrainians were Nazis. The evidence might be the public speeches of Russian leaders. But I have seen no such speech with such theses. Indeed, Putin has said something else.

I believe that Thibault presents one's prejudices as "obvious facts".

Besides, it has nothing to do with the arguments of my Public Appeal.

"There are few doubts that war crimes have been committed there."

In the Ukraine/Russia war, BOTH sides have committed a lot of war crimes, and it is well documented and proven.

However, the chess sanctions on Russia were not imposed because of the war crimes, as can be seen from the schedule above. The motivation to impose those sanctions was, initially, merely the fact that Russia started a war (not a war crime but a crime against peace).

Moreover, in the Ukraine/Donbas domestic war too, both sides committed war crimes. Ukraine committed crimes against humanity, and there were clear genocidal elements of the behaviour towards the Russian-speaking minority of Ukraine. It is also well-documented and proven. At the beginning of my Public Appeal, I mentioned that Karyakin argued from the premise that Ukrainian ultra-nationalists murdered a lot of Russians in Ukraine.

However, I see that the responses to my Public Appeal have altogether ignored all my arguments, and everyone has preferred to talk about something else.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-19 01:13:45)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Me:

"I am not sure that Hamas 'chose' to kill civilians."


Herbert Kruse:

"for that u dont need empathy, u need to be in prison!"

My answer:

Please arrest this man with the name "Herbert Kruse". He is obviously a fascist.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-19 01:39:29)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Thibault the Vassal:

"Juri, when you say << For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. >>, I'm not sure if your topic is determinism or something else but obviously you cannot be sure of anything. Did you watch the videos? Anyway, any army killing or kidnapping civilians is a war crime for sure and that's most probably terrorism in this case."

I do not understand what you are talking about?

I cannot be sure about the videos because I know that Israel is a liar.

I cannot be sure that it was Hamas as and organization who (intentionally) killed the civilians. Perhaps some members of Hamas enjoyed killing civilians despite the commands of their chiefs.

I cannot be sure that these were members of Hamas who murdered the civilians. Perhaps Israel knew about the attack and these civilians were killed during the attack by, say, the Israeli secret service. Perhaps Netanyahu wanted it to happen to get an excuse to start the carpet bombing of the Gaza Strip.

I cannot be sure that all the civilians killed were killed by Hamas. It is plausible to guess that some civilians were killed by Israeli forces.

After all, I know that earlier, Israel had intentionally killed its own soldiers and its own civilians.

There are or have been such dubious doctrines in the Israel Defence Forces (IDF):

HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

DAHYIA DOCTRINE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

I also know that reportedly here have been some witnesses in Israel, Jews, who have claimed in Israel TV and radio, that they saw that Israeli forces killed civilian hostages and random civilians nearby.

Therefore, I am not in a hurry decide, what actually happened on 07 October 2023.

What I reported above was that I regard it as proven beyond reasonable doubt that Hamas killed some unknown number of civilians.

Finally, Thibault the Vassal, I do not accept your attitude, and particularly I completely condemn the attitude of Herbert Kruse.

Are you both some kind of communists or Stalinists?

It is not a crime not to believe such assertions that have not been sufficiently proven.

If you demand that one must blindly believe whatever propaganda the government or the mainstream media produces, then you are a totalitarianist.

I do not want to talk to such people.

However, now, at least, I know how such people are thinking, who defend absolutely illogical and inconsistent policies.


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-11-19 04:40:50)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Oh well, you surely cannot be sure of anything, but still it seems that you know many things... No, that's not a crime as far as I know. I just wonder what looks like your process to decide what the truth is. Maybe you "make your own researches".

I suggest you to watch the dozens of videos there:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=october+7+hamas


Do you estimate it's all made by an AI? Hollywood? Israel studio? In a single day?

Anyway, your message was heard... If you want to read it, my opinion is that you awkwardly try to bring confusion where there are facts and on the nature of these facts.

Obviously you are not in a hurry to decide what actually happened on 07 October 2023, but you seem in a hurry to appeal chess organizations to treat Israel & Russia in another way than they do. Why not waiting for a few years to be sure?

I do not have to accept your attitude too, by the way. Are you one of these confusionist propagandists? Are you some kind of Qanon or Trumpist?

Finally I do not demand that you believe anything, that would be totalitarist & stupid, indeed. I just give my opinion on your comments as well.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-20 02:21:47)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

"Israeli Security Establishment: Hamas Likely Didn’t Have Advance Knowledge of Nova Festival"
Haaretz, 18 November 2023

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000

"Hamas had not planned to attack music festival, Israeli report says"
Al Jazeera, 18 November 2023

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/18/hamas-had-not-planned-to-attack-israel-music-festival-israeli-report-says

'“An investigation into the incident revealed an [Israeli military] combat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at the terrorists and apparently also hit some of the revelers there,†the Haaretz report cited an unnamed police official as saying.'

The funniest thing is that after Mr Herbert Kruse claimed that I should be in jail for not thinking that the official narrative on the 07 October attack was entirely true and proven - the very next day Israeli newspapers reported that some unspecified number of civilians were killed not by Hamas but by Israeli helicopter.

The sad thing is that the discussion of the 07 October events is absolutely irrelevant to my Public Appeal.

As I have explained above several times.

Suppose that all the 1200 people killed on 07 October were civilians. Suppose that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (I have not checked their background, I heard the name "Hamas" first time in my life on 07 October). Suppose that the 07 attack was a terrorist attack and all the civilians were killed intentionally.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can be inferred concerning my Public Appeal.

I have explained already several times that Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip are in no way justified by 07 October events.

It follows from the international conventions, from the entrenched definitions of "war crime", "genocide", etc.

I have also explained, already in my Public Appeal, that there is no need to impose sports sanctions on Hamas, as Hamas has been announced to be a terrorist organisation by the European Union, shortly after the 07 October events.

Moreover, I have explained above, that one cannot expel Hamas from the chess organisations like FIDE or ICCF, because it has never been there.

I do not want to talk to such demagogues as Herbert Kruse and Thibault de Vassal.

Among other things, both have completely ignored my arguments and the actual text of my Public Appeal.

There is an ongoing genocide in the Gaza Strip. Compared to the enormous crimes of Israel, the scale of killing unarmed civilians, the Russian Chess Federation has been sanctioned for small things, while the current racist, fascist Nazi-Israel has remained untouched, with impunity.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-23 23:19:53)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Now, a question has been raised about banning Israel from the Olympic Games:

"Should Israel’s Flag Be Raised at the Paris Olympics?" <be> How the IOC is penalizing Russia provides insight into how it could treat Israel at the 2024 Games.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-russia-paris-olympics/

My position has not been changed because I have not received any reasonable arguments against my views.

I am of the opinion that:

1. Russia was banned from the Paris 2024 Olympics using demagogical arguments. The real reason for the ban was, of course, that in 2022, Russia started a war against Ukraine and annexed some Ukrainian territories starting in 2014.

2. The International Olympic Committee should publicly accept that it was a mistake to politicize sports and it should annul the sanctions imposed on Russia.

3. If the International Olympic Committee does not lift the sanctions imposed on Russia, it should impose the same sanctions on Israel because Israel is very explicitly committing genocide in the Gaza Sector since 07 October 2023.


Juri Eintalu    (2023-11-25 21:54:54)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations

Herbert Kruse:

"now the russian trolls are here too, its sad"

I do not know, perhaps Herbert Kruse kept in mind, for example, the following section from my Public Appeal:

"Suppose it is permissible to obstruct Russian sports persons to get Russia to stop its military aggression against Ukraine. In that case, it must also be permissible to obstruct Israeli sports persons to get Israel to stop its war crimes and to punish the perpetrators."

Or, perhaps the following one:

"However, the civil war in Ukraine, which started in 2014, had killed around 20,000 civilians by 2022. But, by November 2023, the Russian invasion that began in 2022 had already killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers."

You are a moral and intellectual bastard, Mr. Herbert Kruse.

And what if someone says here, on the Forum of the chess platform:

"Now the paedophiles, sodomites and corpse-eaters are here too, its sad."

How would you publicly prove here, on the Forum, that you are not a paedophile, sodomite and corpse-eater?


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2023-11-28 12:23:28)
Next thematic tournament

I offer new thematic - Scandinavian 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6


Thibault de Vassal    (2023-11-30 01:19:44)
Next thematic tournament

Let's go for this... Thanks for your suggestions!


Ilmars Cirulis    (2023-12-27 19:30:42)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

I tried to browse it using web.archive.org website, but I don't remember when (which year) and where (which place in the forum) it was posted...

There was some collective analysis of Fried Liver, after some poster postulated that black is okay in this variation.

Thank you in advance and Happy New Year of 2024! :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2024-01-01 01:10:03)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

Hmmm... should be a thematic tournament some time ;) Happy new year Ilmars!


Ilmars Cirulis    (2024-01-06 20:27:54)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

Does someone want to test this variation (to play it with white and try to win):

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Ncb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8

I'm currently analysing it.

The 21... Rae8 seems to be losing (I lost the game against Scott Nichols convincingly).


Scott Ligon    (2024-01-12 22:51:02)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

For the 6 lines I posted, those eval depths are, in order:
46, 47, 45, 46, 45, 43.

For the line with the highest eval of +0.80, the win percentage for white is given as 27.4%, so further analysis might be warranted but that's where I left it. My understanding is that Stockfish 16 changed the semantics of the numeric evaluations. An eval of +1.0 used to mean white had a one pawn advantage (in some very abstract sense), but now +1.0 is supposed to correlate with a 50% probability that white has an objectively winning position.


Scott Ligon    (2024-01-16 20:31:54)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

The Fried Liver just seems like a bad choice for black when the main line (5... Na5) equalizes, and if you want something different there's 5... b5 where white gets some advantage with 6. Bf1 but more frequently plays 6. Bxb5 where black is again equal and can expect to be more familiar with the position. I had a look at your lichess study. Are you mainly just taking notes on the computer evaluations of various lines as a general reference, or is this something you actually intend to learn in detail so you can play it?


Thibault de Vassal    (2024-02-13 02:26:33)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Next FICGS WCH will start on March 15th, 2024 (initial date was March 1st). Waiting lists are now open!

Reason for this is that FICGS apps encounter technical problems on Play Store. I hope I'll be able to solve it before these next WCH tournaments start.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2024-02-18 18:00:07)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Rd1 b6 - still don't know for sure if this is a draw or maybe white can win somehow...

When is thematic tournament(s) happening? :sweat_smile:


Ilmars Cirulis    (2024-02-24 21:47:45)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

Played thematic game with Bahadir Ozen at LSS, added it to Lichess study:

https://lichess.org/study/MYMU6aQ7/dA04utCi

It ended in interesting, imho, draw. :)


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2024-03-16 20:34:57)
message for Thibault regarding...

... the tournament that I withdrawed from.

Dear Thibault,

February 25. I sent you an email that I had accidentally enrolled in two standard class M tournaments, by clicking a second time before the next page loaded.
This night I saw some new games and assumed it was the new WCC cycle. But upon closer inspection, it was the second Class M tournament that I thought I had withrawn from.
Added to the imminent new WCC this will be a bit much. So is it still possible to fix this?


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2024-03-26 11:40:41)
Next thematic tournament

I'd like to offer an old Philidor Defence 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 as the next thematic tournament.


Thibault de Vassal    (2024-03-27 02:33:38)
Next thematic tournament

Let's wait for the current waiting list to finish, then we'll try Fried Liver attack (e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5), and then we'll try Philidor Defence...


Ilmars Cirulis    (2024-03-27 21:01:02)
Big Chess in NebiyuAlien engine

Oh, the Big Chess is already in the alien.ini file, it's just called "16x16+0_normal" :)

But it still has castling rights in the start position, it seems. Ok, minor thing to fix.


Thibault de Vassal    (2024-05-31 19:21:52)
Extreme case in a Go game

I couldn't imagine such a case, but it happened:

Two players reached this position, now alternately pass... and one player just asked me to adjudicate the game. It could have been a good joke, but...

Now I just don't know what to do ^^

https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=142645&move=413

https://ficgs.com/game_142645.html


Herbert Kruse    (2024-07-06 17:05:34)
Poker Rating

but my opp won rating points, which i didnt some years ago, thats the problem


Herbert Kruse    (2024-07-07 07:35:20)
poker reflection time

I will give Up Poker, because of the Long Time fromm start to end.
Therefore i Go all in every move.
If the time Problem will be solved, i start new


Ilmars Cirulis    (2024-07-09 20:13:02)
Big Chess theory?

Big Chess endgames with pawns and knights are from outer space, imho. :) I can't say that I understand them.


Xavier Pichelin    (2024-07-12 16:41:35)
poker reflection time

Pour réduire le temps de compétition c'est de augmenter les blind toutes les 30 mains ou 20 mains au lieu de 40 et ensuite toutes les 10 mains...
à un moment donné on serai aubliger de faire tapis quand on arrive à une grosse bind de 32 ou 64 et cela réduit le nombre de mains jouéés donc le temps du tournois diminue forcément.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2024-06-15 12:06:38)
Next thematic tournament

Yes, Philidor is upcoming


Wilhelm Schuett    (2024-06-22 20:23:39)
Next thematic tournament

Which way to Philidor? Or 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Sf6 3.Sc3 e5 for another thematic tournament?


Herbert Kruse    (2024-09-15 08:45:44)
Rating System.....

When ist the next Rating Update?


Garvin Gray    (2024-09-19 18:46:08)
Rating System.....

Correspondence chess ratings next update on November 1st, 2024. FICGS chess database has been updated on September 16, 2024.


Garvin Gray    (2024-10-04 00:19:15)
Chess Cup-1st Stage

Group 2's final game has finished in stalemate and Thibault has to now declare the game drawn by the laws of chess.

And then we can get on with the final


Stanislas Gounant    (2024-11-12 03:28:20)
50 moves rule

OK,n I find it :

"the 50 moves rule is not implemented (it is nonsense at correspondence time controls)"

I am just a sore looser


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2024-11-15 09:37:54)
stage 2 WCH 000028

I made some earlier post about this WCH. Now I was wondering when stage 2 of WCH 000028 would start (and if I would be in it ;)). I looked up the first stage tournaments of this WCH and I noticed that there seems to be a bug. For my group it says that there's only a leader and no definitive winner. Only by now all games have been completed. So it seems this is a bug, which potentially is the cause of the hold-up.


Garvin Gray    (2024-12-07 04:02:25)
New Tie Break System

Currently Ficgs uses TER as its first tie break if two or more players are tied for first in a round robin group.

I have thought for a long time this is rather unfair and gives way too much advantage to the player with the highest rating in the group.

The practical effect of this rule can be thus:

7 players in a group:

The difference in ratings between the players can be less than 100 points and seeds 1 and 2 can be as little as 2 or 2 rating points.

But with using TER as the first tie break, the top seed only needs to have score the same as everyone else to advance, which with engines nowadays, can quite often mean that all games in a group are drawn.

What I propose is to change the tie break system to the following:

1) Number of wins
2) Sonneborn–Berger
3) Direct Encounter
4) TER

A second option is to stop using such small groups where possible. This would then at least increase the likelihood of a positive result in the groups as more games are played.


Thibault de Vassal    (2024-12-11 03:09:53)
New Tie Break System

Hi Garvin,

I can only say: Yes, this tie break system is good (probably better even if it remains subjective) & interesting.

But I don't think that changing this rule would be so good, it would lose in coherence & simplicity, and complexify the understanding of past tournaments... So, I'll go to the 2nd option, let's make 9+ players round-robin groups (as far as possible).


Garvin Gray    (2024-12-29 22:32:22)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

When do the next championships start? I think that if there are no regular announcements on the chat people will not register on the waiting lists. Likewise, if the waiting lists remain open even though the tournaments have started, this can cause problems.


Scott Ligon    (2025-01-21 23:17:17)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

And now I have found a line that defeats Stockfish 17 at 10 million nodes, so that strategy is not safe to play as black. I won't post the line yet because I don't want to give away information that might be relevant for my opponents in games that are still running, but I intend to post it later.

I will continue to use the 10 million node strategy in the tournaments I had already started, but in my upcoming tournaments I will switch to the 15 million node version of this strategy, to test whether or not there's a line that defeats it. As mentioned in the first post, if Stockfish's recommended move gets to what appears to be a losing position, I will deviate from these strategies to try to avoid losing, and I will message my opponent to let them know this has happened. In my games so far, I have not deviated from the 10 million node strategy, unless it happened by mistake. But I'm not aware of any such mistakes.


Scott Ligon    (2025-02-09 21:47:17)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

My remaining games where I'm using the 10 million node strategy as black have gone past the point where they could transpose into white's winning lines against the 10 million node strategy (at least the two winning lines that I managed to find), so I will post them now. I found both lines while analyzing games that have now finished.

Game 147097: Kruse vs Ligon
https://ficgs.com/game_147097.html

Due to a repetition, the position after black's move 22 in the game was the same as the position after black's move 20 in the following line where white wins.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. O-O Bg7 5. Re1 e5 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. a4 Nh6 8. d3 O-O 9. Be3 Qd6 10. Na3 f6 11. Nc4 Qe7 12. a5 Ng4 13. Bd2 Nh6 14. Qe2 Be6 15. h4 Ng4 16. Ra4 Rf7 17. Rb1 Bf8 18. h5 Qd7 19. b3 Re8 20. Re1 Rg7 21. Rb1 g5 22. Ne1 Nh6 23. Ne3 Qc8 24. g3 Bd6 25. N1g2 Bf8 26. f3 Qb8 27. Rba1 Nf7 28. Ng4 Qd8 29. Qf2 Nd6 30. Be3 b5 31. axb6 axb6 32. b4 Bxg4 33. fxg4 cxb4 34. Rxb4 b5 35. Rbb1 Qd7 36. Qf3 Rf7 37. Kh2 Rb8 38. Ba7 Rc8 39. Bf2 b4 40. Be1 c5 41. Ne3 Nb5 42. Nd5 Qc6 43. Bd2 Nc7 44. Ra7 c4 45. Rba1 Bc5 46. Nxb4 Bxb4 47. Bxb4 cxd3 48. cxd3 Rb8 49. Be1 Rb2+ 50. Bf2 Ne6 51. Ra8+ Rf8 52. Rxf8+ Nxf8 53. h6 Kf7 54. Kh3 Rb3 55. Ra2 Ke8 56. Ra7

Game 147106: Pineda vs Ligon
https://ficgs.com/game_147106.html

First 36 moves are the same as the following line where white wins. Black got the win only because white made a mistake in entering the final move, otherwise we were headed for a draw.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. O-O Bg7 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. d3 a5 7. h3 b6 8. a3 Nf6 9. Qe2 O-O 10. Nc3 Ne8 11. e5 Nc7 12. Qe4 Ne6 13. Re1 Qd7 14. Qh4 f6 15. Be3 h6 16. Qg3 g5 17. h4 Qd8 18. Bd2 b5 19. b3 Kh7 20. Rac1 Kg8 21. Rcd1 Ra7 22. Rb1 Ra8 23. Rbc1 Ra7 24. Rcd1 Rb7 25. Bc1 Ra7 26. a4 b4 27. Ne2 Qe8 28. Bb2 Qf7 29. Nd2 Qh5 30. hxg5 fxg5 31. Qe3 Rd7 32. Nc4 Rdd8 33. Ng3 Qg6 34. Nxa5 h5 35. Qe4 Qe8 36. Ne2 h4 37. f3 Nd4 38. Rf1 Bf5 39. Qe3 Ne6 40. Bc1 Qg6 41. Nxc6 Rd7 42. Na5 Rf7 43. Rde1 Rd8 44. Nc4 Rdf8 45. Nb6 h3 46. Rf2 hxg2 47. Rxg2 Qh5 48. Rh2 Bh3 49. f4 g4 50. Qg3 Ng5 51. Rf1 Bxe5 52. Nd7 Bc7 53. Nxf8 Kxf8 54. Kh1 Qh6 55. Rff2


Scott Ligon    (2025-02-15 15:43:10)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

The position after 56 Ra7 is clearly winning if you run an analysis with Stockfish. I'm not saying it's obvious from a human perspective but if both players are using engines, black should resign at that point (and probably a few moves earler).

The move numbers don't line up with your game because I removed a repetition, but from your game if you go to the position after 22. Re1 Rg7, it's the same position as the line shown in this thread after 20. Re1 Rg7 and you can follow the line from there.


Scott Ligon    (2025-02-17 04:20:15)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

Here are three lines I analyzed with Stockfish. I think black should be able to hold the draw in all of them, but the 10 million node strategy makes some mistakes. Notably 54. Qf3 Bd6 is bad and black should have played Bg3 there, but apparently not bad enough to lose unless further mistakes are made. Anyway these are the lines I looked at.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. O-O Bg7 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. d3 a5 7. h3 b6 8. a3 Nf6 9. Qe2 O-O 10. Nc3 Ne8 11. e5 Nc7 12. Qe4 Ne6 13. Re1 Qd7 14. Qh4 f6 15. Be3 h6 16. Qg3 g5 17. h4 Qd8 18. Bd2 b5 19. b3 Kh7 20. Rac1 Kg8 21. Rcd1 Ra7 22. Rb1 Ra8 23. Rbc1 Ra7 24. Rcd1 Rb7 25. Bc1 Ra7 26. a4 b4 27. Ne2 Qe8 28. Bb2 Qf7 29. Nd2 Qh5 30. hxg5 fxg5 31. Qe3 Rd7 32. Nc4 Rdd8 33. Ng3 Qg6 34. Nxa5 h5 35. Qe4 Qe8 36. Ne2 h4 37. Rf1 Nf4 38. f3 Be6 39. Nxf4 Rxf4 40. Qe2 g4 41. Bc1 gxf3 42. Rxf3 Rg4 43. Rdf1 Rg6 44. Nc4 Bg4 45. Be3 Rd5 46. a5 Bxf3 47. Rxf3 Bxe5 48. Nb6 Rd8 49. a6 Re6 50. a7 Bc7 51. a8=Q Rxa8 52. Nxa8 Qxa8 53. Rf1 Qe8 54. Qf3 Bd6 55. Bg5 Kg7 56. Bxh4 Be5

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. O-O Bg7 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. d3 a5 7. h3 b6 8. a3 Nf6 9. Qe2 O-O 10. Nc3 Ne8 11. e5 Nc7 12. Qe4 Ne6 13. Re1 Qd7 14. Qh4 f6 15. Be3 h6 16. Qg3 g5 17. h4 Qd8 18. Bd2 b5 19. b3 Kh7 20. Rac1 Kg8 21. Rcd1 Ra7 22. Rb1 Ra8 23. Rbc1 Ra7 24. Rcd1 Rb7 25. Bc1 Ra7 26. a4 b4 27. Ne2 Qe8 28. Bb2 Qf7 29. Nd2 Qh5 30. hxg5 fxg5 31. Qe3 Rd7 32. Nc4 Rdd8 33. Ng3 Qg6 34. Nxa5 h5 35. Qe4 Qe8 36. Ne2 h4 37. Rf1 Nf4 38. f3 Be6 39. Nxf4 Rxf4 40. Qe2 g4 41. Bc1 gxf3 42. Rxf3 Rg4 43. Rdf1 Rg6 44. Nc4 Bg4 45. Be3 Rd5 46. a5 Bxf3 47. Rxf3 Bxe5 48. Nb6 Rd8 49. a6 Re6 50. a7 Bc7 51. a8=Q Rxa8 52. Nxa8 Qxa8 53. Rf1 Qe8 54. Qf3 Bd6 55. Bg5 Kg7 56. Qf5 Re5 57. Qf4 Re6

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. O-O Bg7 5. Bxc6 dxc6 6. d3 a5 7. h3 b6 8. a3 Nf6 9. Qe2 O-O 10. Nc3 Ne8 11. e5 Nc7 12. Qe4 Ne6 13. Re1 Qd7 14. Qh4 f6 15. Be3 h6 16. Qg3 g5 17. h4 Qd8 18. Bd2 b5 19. b3 Kh7 20. Rac1 Kg8 21. Rcd1 Ra7 22. Rb1 Ra8 23. Rbc1 Ra7 24. Rcd1 Rb7 25. Bc1 Ra7 26. a4 b4 27. Ne2 Qe8 28. Bb2 Qf7 29. Nd2 Qh5 30. hxg5 fxg5 31. Qe3 Rd7 32. Nc4 Rdd8 33. Ng3 Qg6 34. Nxa5 h5 35. Qe4 Qe8 36. Ne2 h4 37. Rf1 Nf4 38. f3 Be6 39. Nxf4 Rxf4 40. Qe2 g4 41. Bc1 gxf3 42. Rxf3 Rg4 43. Rdf1 Rg6 44. Nc4 Bg4 45. Be3 Rd5 46. a5 Bxf3 47. Rxf3 Bxe5 48. Nb6 Rd8 49. a6 Re6 50. a7 Bc7 51. a8=Q Rxa8 52. Nxa8 Qxa8 53. Rf1 Qe8 54. Qf3 Bd6 55. Qf5 Rf6 56. Qg5+ Kh7 57. Qxh4+ Kg7


Wilhelm Schuett    (2025-02-27 01:05:45)
Next thematic tournament

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/fernandez_the_modern_sicilian_surprise_in_60min?Ref=RF70-5OH0EFN840 5...h5!? in the 2…Nc6-Sicilian


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2025-03-10 15:15:34)
Next thematic tournament

Alternatively Caro: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 de4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6 exf6


Wilhelm Schuett    (2025-03-13 15:11:13)
Next thematic tournament

gxf6 was popular in the 80's. Nowadays it would be a surprise weapon


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2025-03-15 19:19:07)
Next thematic tournament

OK on gf6 got thematic


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2025-03-15 19:42:24)
Next thematic tournament

You mean exf6? I think I got something interesting against that Caro Kann line. I am in.


Bogoljub Teverovski    (2025-03-16 19:04:40)
Next thematic tournament

we can stay at 5.Nxf6 with a free choice exf6 or gxf6


A. T. S. Broekhuizen    (2025-03-17 10:20:41)
Next thematic tournament

That's fine by me.


Ilmars Cirulis    (2025-03-17 13:22:58)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?

12.--- Qg6 seems to be draw too.


Thibault de Vassal    (2025-03-27 23:35:56)
The future of cheating over the board?

"Scientists create sound that can curve through a crowd and reach just one person

Engineers at Penn State have introduced a breakthrough audio system called “audible enclaves†that can send sound directly to one person without anyone else hearing it—and all without the use of headphones.

The system relies on ultrasound waves, which travel silently through the air. When two beams with slightly different frequencies cross paths, they generate an audible tone right at that meeting point, allowing only the intended recipient to hear the message.

Even more impressive, the sound can curve around obstacles to reach its target. In initial tests, it worked effectively up to three feet away. This innovation opens the door for private audio experiences in shared spaces and better control of sound in noisy environments, though it's not yet ready for commercial use."

(Source: Facebook)


Stanislas Gounant    (2025-03-30 03:05:34)
The future of cheating over the board?

I seem to remember reading that at the 2016 World Championship in New York, the organizers isolated the players from the spectators with an anti-radiation curtain. I don't know if it works for sound frequencies. In any case, I suppose that devices can detect the abnormal presence of ultrasound as well as that of audible sounds.


Scott Ligon    (2025-04-23 15:21:53)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

My goal is to find the minimal setting where Stockfish can't be beaten, or close to the minimal setting anyway. The title of the thread shows my point of view on this issue. I think currently available versions of Stockfish with relatively modest computing power are already good enough to be unbeatable, regardless of how much money an opponent is being offered or how many supercomputers and grandmasters they have at their disposal when devising a strategy. From the starting position of a game of chess, it simply isn't that hard for modern engines to hold the draw with black. The draw rate on this very site is evidence.

I could make the task easier by generating a small opening book to keep Stockfish out of trouble in the opening, so in the case of Stockfish 17 @ 15 million nodes it might be good enough to simply dictate that it play e5 in response to e4 (I don't know if that specific example is true but it might be - I never found any trouble spots for that strategy with black outside of the Sicilian). But I want to do this with no opening book and also no access to endgame tablebases, just the engine's recommendation using a set number of nodes for the search. The settings I've tried so far fell short, but I think they weren't far off, so I'm taking only small steps forward. Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes seems like a good next step to me. If somebody finds a winning line against it, then I'll take the next step, either increasing the node count or if enough time has passed I'll move on to the next version of Stockfish.


Ulises Pineda    (2025-04-24 16:20:25)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?

I'm going to find a winning line against it, and then I'm going to find a win against your next step, and then I'm going to find another one against the next one, so skipping steps are a way to save time.

Remember I never made a move in our games until I had found the line, I only played it out, I'm still surprised you haven't dedicated the time to find it as if you were your own opponent, unless I'm the only person in the world that knows how to find such lines.

By using Stockfish 17.1 @ 20 million of nodes you would get it retired by me already, I don't understand why you'd want me to retire 10 million or 15 million first, because this has never been about the number of nodes, this is about telling me how you're going to pick your moves so I can find a line that would make your method make a game losing blunder.

Remember you sent me a message thinking 10 million nodes would play just fine right before I made a move that would make it blunder, what I don't know is why didn't you see the move before I played it, or from the distance, and that it surprised you, have people really forgotten how to analyze games? If you build a big tree of moves and replies to them, it's going to contain a line that beats Stockfish at fixed nodes, it'll take me about 24 hours to find the one against Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes, and about 48 hours to find one against Stockfish 17.1 @ 20 million nodes, the difference is we'll save the amount of games we have to face each other.




There are 7159 results for em in wikichess.


Francisco Pessoa    (2528)
e4

King's Pawn Game refers to any chess opening where White opens with 1.e4, the most popular of the twenty possible opening moves. Since nearly all of these openings have names of their own, the term "King's Pawn Game", unlike Queen's Pawn Game is rarely used to describe the opening of the game.

King's Pawn Games are further classified by whether Black responds with 1...e5 or not.

Openings beginning with 1.e4 e5 are called Double King's Pawn Games (or Openings), Symmetrical King's Pawn Games (or Openings), or Open Games—these terms are equivalent. Openings where Black responds to 1.e4 with a move other than 1...e5 are called Asymmetrical King's Pawn Games (or Openings) or Semi-open Games.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 57%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Mark Noble, Francisco Pessoa


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
Nf3

The Réti Opening (also called the King's Knight Opening) is a chess opening characterized by the opening move 1.Nf3

It is named after Richard Réti, a Czechoslovakian chess player who used it to defeat the world champion José Raúl Capablanca in 1924.

According to ChessBase, out of the twenty possible opening moves, 1.Nf3 ranks third in popularity. It develops the knight to a good square and prepares for a quick castling. White maintains flexibility by not committing to a particular central pawn structure, while waiting to see what Black will do. The slight drawback to the move is that it blocks the f-pawn. This is not a problem if White does not intend to move it in the near future, but it rules out the possibility of playing systems with f3 and Nge2, which is a fairly popular setup against the King's Indian.

Usually 1.Nf3 will transpose into an opening with 1.d4, such as the King's Indian or the Queen's Gambit. If White follows up with an early c4 a transposition to the English Opening may be reached. Even the Sicilian Defense may be reached if the game opens 1.Nf3 c5 2.e4.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 57%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 Bc4

The Bishop's Opening is one of the oldest openings to be analyzed; it was studied by Lucena and Ruy Lopez. Later it was played by Philidor. Larsen was one of the few grandmasters to play it often, after first using it at the 1964 Interzonal Tournament. Although the Bishop's Opening is uncommon today, it has been used occasionally as a surprise by players such as Kasparov and Nunn.

White attacks Black's f7-square and prevents Black from advancing his d-pawn to d5. By ignoring the beginner's rule, "develop knights before bishops", White leaves his f-pawn unblocked allowing the possibility of playing f4. This gives the Bishop's Opening an affinity to the King's Gambit and the Vienna Game, two openings that share this characteristic. In fact, the Bishop's Opening can transpose into the King's Gambit or the Vienna Game, and transpositions into Giuoco Piano and Two Knights Defense and other openings are also possible. In particular, White should remain alert for any chance to transpose into a favorable variation of the King's Gambit, but with careful play Black can avoid this danger.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 55%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6

Petrov's Defence (sometimes spelled Petroff's) has a long history, it was first popularized by Alexander Petrov — a Russian chess player of the mid-19th century. In recognition of the early investigations by the Russian masters Petrov and Carl Jaenisch, this opening is called the Russian Game in some countries.

The Petrov has a reputation of being dull and uninspired. However, it offers attacking opportunities for both sides, and many lines are quite sharp. Often a trade occurs, and black after gaining a tempo (or unit of time) gains a well placed knight. Pillsbury's game in 1896 against Emmanuel Lasker testifies to this. The Black counterattack in the center also avoids the Ruy Lopez and Giuoco Piano.

According to Chessbase, black chances are about 41%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5

The Ruy Lopez, generally called the Spanish Game outside of English speaking countries, is named after the 16th century Spanish priest Rúy López de Segura. He made a systematic study of this and other openings in the 150-page book on chess Libro del Ajedrez written in 1561 (which also included some more esoteric and what some would consider unfair suggestions, such as setting up the board so the sun shines in one's opponent's eyes).

However, although it is named after him, this particular opening was known earlier; it is included in the Göttingen manuscript, which dates from 1490. Popular use of the Ruy Lopez opening did not develop, however, until the mid-1800s when Jaenisch, a Russian theoretician, "rediscovered" its potential.

The opening is still in active use as the double king's pawn opening most commonly used in master play; it has been adopted by almost all players at some point in their careers and many play it from both the white and black sides.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 58%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
d4 Nf6

Indian defences are characterized by the opening moves 1. d4 Nf6, although they can be reached by other move orders. These defences have a vast body of theory and have been employed by nearly all masters since the early twentieth century. They are all to varying degrees hypermodern defences, where Black invites White to establish an imposing presence in the centre with the plan of drawing it out, undermining it, and destroying it.

The Indian defences are considered more ambitious and double-edged than the symmetrical reply 1 ... d5. In the Queen's Gambit Declined, Black accepts a cramped, passive position with the plan of gradually equalizing and obtaining counterplay. In contrast, breaking symmetry on move one leads to rapid combat in the centre, where Black can obtain counterplay without necessarily equalizing first.

According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
d4 d5 c4

The Queen's Gambit is one of the oldest known chess openings, as Lucena wrote about it in 1497 and it is mentioned in an earlier manuscript in Göttingen. During the early period of modern chess queen pawn openings were not in fashion, and the Queen's Gambit did not become common until the 1873 tournament in Vienna.

As Steinitz and Tarrasch developed chess theory and increased the appreciation of positional play, the Queen's Gambit grew more popular. It reached its peak popularity in the 1920s and 1930s, and was played in 32 out of 34 games in the 1934 World Chess Championship.

Since then Black has increasingly moved away from symmetrical openings, tending to use the Indian defences to combat queen pawn openings. The Queen's Gambit is still frequently played, however, and it remains an important part of many grandmasters' opening repertoires.

With 2.c4, White threatens to exchange a wing pawn (the c-pawn) for a center pawn (Black's d-pawn) and dominate the center with e2-e4. This is not a true gambit since if Black accepts the pawn he cannot expect to keep it.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Sebastien Marez    (2377)
d4 d5 c4 c6

The Slav is one of the primary defenses to the Queen's Gambit. Although it was analyzed as early as 1590, it wasn't until the 1920s that it started to be explored extensively. Many masters of Slavic descent helped develop the theory of this opening, including Alapin, Alekhine, Bogoljubov, and Vidmar.

The Slav received an exhaustive test during the two Alekhine–Euwe World Championship matches in 1935 and 1937. Played by 11 of the first 13 world champions, this defense was particularly favored by Euwe, Botvinnik, and Smyslov. More recently the Slav has been adopted by Anand, Ivanchuk, Lautier, Short, and other top grandmasters. Today the theory of the Slav is very extensive and well developed.

Black faces three major problems in many variations of the Queen's Gambit Declined (QGD).

- Development of the Black queen bishop is difficult, as it is often blocked by ...e6.

- The pawn structure offers White targets, especially the possibility of a minority attack on the queenside in the Exchange variation of the QGD.

- White often plays Bg5 to pin the black king knight on f6 against the black queen, and unpinning it is awkward for Black.

The Slav addresses all of these problems. Black's queen bishop is unblocked, the pawn structure remains balanced, and the move Bg5 is not yet threatening as the unmoved black pawn on e7 prevents the pin. Also, if Black later takes the gambit pawn with ...dxc4, the support provided by the pawn on c6 allows ...b5 which may threaten to keep the gambit pawn or to drive away a white piece that has captured it, gaining Black a tempo for queenside expansion.

On the other side, Black usually won't be able to develop the queen bishop without first giving up the center with ...dxc4, and moving this bishop may leave the Black queenside weak. White will try to dominate the center with e2-e4.

According to Chessbase, Black chances are about 43%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Sebastien Marez


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6

This is the second most played line in Sicilian. Reached commonly after 2. ... Nc6, logically the best move. The play is probably easier for Black than in 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 variation, but it is much harder to win against a same level player who plays Sicilian Sveshnikov. In my opinion, one should use this opening only to obtain a draw against a stronger player, and to save energy.

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Thibault de Vassal


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 f4 d5

this move was considered as a refutation of the king's gambit by gm siegbert tarrasch .
this counter gambit tries to give initiative to black .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 f4 exf4

The acceptation of the king's gambit seems to be the best move. It is now rarely seen at the master level, it being generally thought that Black can obtain a reasonable position either by giving back the gambitted pawn at a later time or holding on to it and consolidating defensively.

According to Chessbase, black chances are about 51%

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Thibault de Vassal


Sebastien Marez    (2377)
e4 c6

The Caro-Kann, like the Sicilian Defense and French Defense, is classified as a "semi-open game", but it is thought to be more passive and drawish than either of those openings.

The opening is named after the German players Horatio Caro and Marcus Kann who analyzed the opening in 1886.

According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Sebastien Marez


Tryfon Gavriel    (2164)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4

By far the most popular move, in order to take the control of the d4-square.

The change in pawn structure after cxd4 has a profound effect on the plans for both sides. Black in the Siclian defence will often aim to exploit the semi-open c file.
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Contributors : Julien Coll, Tryfon Gavriel


Julien Coll    (1400)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4


Black permits the free installation of a knight in d4 but in return he can use the semi-open c-file and he has more pawns to use than white for a possible fight for centre control.
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Contributors : Julien Coll


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
c4

The English Opening is the fourth most popular opening move in chess. White begins the fight for the center by staking a claim to the d5 square. Common responses are 1...e5 (which can lead to positions similar to the Sicilian Defence but with opposite colors), 1...c5 (the Symmetrical Variation), and 1...Nf6. Also perfectly playable are 1...e6 (often leading to a Queen's Gambit Declined after 2.d4 d5) and 1...c6 (often leading to a Slav Defence after 2.d4 d5, a Caro-Kann Defence after 2.e4 d5, or a Reti Opening after 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3).

The English is a very flexible opening. Although many lines of the English have a distinct character, it often transposes into other openings. If White plays an early d4, the game will usually transpose into either the Queen's Gambit or an Indian defence.

The English derives its name from the English (unofficial) world champion, Howard Staunton, who played it during his 1843 match with Amant. It fell out of favor (the opening was notably disdained by Morphy), but is now recognized as a solid opening that may be used to reach both classical and hypermodern positions. Botvinnik, Karpov, and Kasparov all employed it during their world championship matches. Bobby Fischer created a stir when he switched to it from the King's Pawn against Boris Spassky in 1972.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Daniel Barrish    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6

Here we've reached the initial position of the famous Sicilian Dragon. For those who are interested in astronomy, its name refers to the black pawn structure d6-e7-f7-g6-h7, which has resemblance with the Dragon Constellation.
Usually White has (generally speaking, of course) two ways at his disposal:
-quiet positional play by castling short, in order to put some positional pressure thanks to his slight space advantage.
-sharp play by castling long, and simultaneous king's attack for both sides, which often leads to real bloodbaths.
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There are 2 main ways for white to play here: The "passive" classical and minor variations and the aggresive yugoslav attack. the yugoslav has been proven much better
Contributors : Julien Coll, Daniel Barrish


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4

The Nimzo-Indian Defence is a hypermodern opening, developed by Grandmaster Aaron Nimzowitsch who introduced it to master-level chess in the early 20th century. Unlike most Indian openings the Nimzo-Indian does not involve an immediate fianchetto, although Black often follows up with ...b6 and ...Bb7. By pinning White's knight Black prevents the threatened 4.e4 and seeks to inflict doubled pawns on White. White will attempt to create a pawn centre and develop his pieces to prepare for an assault on the Black position.

According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6

Since White's third move 3.Nf3, a move commonly played to avoid the Nimzo-Indian Defence, does not threaten to occupy the centre with 4.e4, Black has the option of playing 3...b6, called Queen's Indian Defense.

The play in the Queen's Indian is similar to that of the Nimzo-Indian. The opening is considered a hypermodern one, since Black does not strive to occupy the centre with his pawns immediately. Instead he intends to fianchetto his queen's bishop and put pressure on the e4-square in order to prevent White from occupying that square. With the White centre restrained Black intends to attack it. As in most other hypermodern openings, White will attempt to solidify his centre, prove that it is strong, not weak, and use his advantage in space to crush Black.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4

The Italian Game is a chess opening, or more accurately a family of chess openings, characterized by this move.

The openings arising from the Italian Game are among the oldest recorded openings and the sequence of moves is known as the Épine Dorsale. The Giuoco Piano (Italian: "quiet game") was played by the Portuguese Damiano at the beginning of the 15th century, and the Italian Greco at the beginning of the 16th century. The Italian Game received its name because of Greco's work, while Damiano has the misfortune to have his name attached to the Damiano Defense, 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6?, a line he rightly condemned. The Two Knights Defense was analyzed by Giulio Cesare Polerio (c.1550–c.1610) in 1580.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 52%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
g3

The King's Indian Attack (KIA) can be reached by different routes (usually by 1.e4, 1.Nf3 or 1.g3). Often the KIA is reached via 1.e4 followed by d3, Nd2, Ngf3, g3, Bg2, and 0-0, an example being 1.e4 e6 2.d3 (this is possible against almost any opening move -- 1...c6, 1...c5, etc.) d5 3.Nd2 followed by Ngf3, etc.

Since the KIA is a closed, strategic opening choice, many 1.e4 players prefer to play sharper, more open variations. When played after 1.e4, the KIA is most often used against the semi-open defences where Black responds asymmetrically to e4, such as the French Defence, Sicilian Defence, Caro-Kann Defence, etc. The KIA is less often played against 1.e4 e5, where most White players prefer to play more aggressive lines such as the Ruy Lopez.

The King's Indian attack is considered to be one of the most solid opening choices for White, but not very aggressive. It is similar to the King's Indian Defense with colors reversed. White's plan is usually to either push the d and e pawns up a rank as the game progresses in order to bind the opponent. If Black castles king-side, White often follows up with h4 and a king-side pawn storm, placing his king at h1 if needed. If Black castles queen-side, White can move his knight to c4 and attack on the queen-side.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 55%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5

The Giuoco Piano (Italian: "quiet game"), is the oldest recorded opening. The Portuguese Damiano played it at the beginning of the 15th century and the Italian Greco played it at the beginning of the 16th century. Because of Greco's work on the opening, it is sometimes called the Italian Game, although that term is also used more generally to describe the position after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4. The Giuoco Piano was popular through the 19th century, but modern refinements in defensive play have led most chess masters towards openings like the Ruy Lopez that offer White greater chances for long term initiative.

White's "Italian bishop" at c4 prevents Black from advancing in the center with ...d5 and attacks the vulnerable f7 square. White plans to dominate the center with d2-d4 and to attack the Black king. Black aims to free his game by exchanging pieces and playing the pawn break ...d5, or to hold his center pawn at e5.

According to Chessbase, white chances are about 46%

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4

The gambit is named after Captain William Davies Evans, the first player known to have employed it. The first game with the opening is considered to be Evans - McDonnell, London 1827, although in that game a slightly different move order was tried (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. O-O d6 and only now 5. b4). The gambit became very popular shortly after that, being employed a number of times in the series of games between McDonnell and Louis de la Bourdonnais in 1834. Players such as Adolf Anderssen, Paul Morphy and Mikhail Chigorin subsequently took it up. It was out of favour for much of the 20th century, although John Nunn and Jan Timman played some games with it in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and in the 1990s Garry Kasparov used it in a few of his games (notably a famous 25-move win against Viswanathan Anand in Riga, 1995), which prompted a brief revival of interest in it.

The Evans Gambit is basically an aggressive variant of the Giuoco Piano, which normally continues with the positional moves 4. c3 or 4. d3. The idea behind the move 4. b4 is to give up a pawn in order to secure a strong centre and bear down on Black's weak-point, f7. Ideas based on Ba3, preventing black from castling, are also often in the air. The most obvious and most usual way for Black to meet the gambit is to accept it with 4... Bxb4, after which White plays 5. c3 and Black usually follows up with 5... Ba5 (5... Be7 and, less often 5... Bc5 and 5... Bd6 are also played). White usually follows up with 6. d4.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Julien Coll    (1400)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2


The problem of this move is that the g4-square isn't controlled any more! So it permits...
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Contributors : Julien Coll


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5

this move is an alternative of Nc3 . this position scores 53% for white .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6

this development of the queen's knight controls the d4 square .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6

The extremely popular Fischer Defense (planning h6 and g5 but only rarely Bg4, a natural-looking but often weak move that beginners play too early) is complicated and subtle. After Bobby Fischer lost a 1959 game at Mar del Plata to Boris Spassky, in which the Kieseritsky Gambit was played, he left in tears and promptly went to work at devising a new King's Gambit defense. In a 1962 article titled "A Bust to the King's Gambit" he put forth this idea and claimed that it refuted the King's Gambit, which was clearly not the case. The article concluded with the famously arrogant line, "Of course white can always play differently in which case he merely loses differently." Nonetheless, the article was possibly the most influential ever written about an opening, and ever since the King's Gambit has been rare in Grandmaster play, though a few players such as Joseph Gallagher still use it.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5

this is the most played move on this position . black don't protect his e5 pawn , so white take it .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6

the main continuation .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3

the most logical move .
then white scores 56% .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3

The Morra Gambit is an interesting opening against the Sicilian Defence. It is not common in Grandmaster games or correspondence chess, but at club level chess it is an excellent weapon.

White sacrifices a pawn to develop quickly and create attacking chances. In exchange for the gambit pawn, White has a piece developed and a pawn in the center, while Black has nothing but an empty space on c7.

If black wants to refuse the gambit, he can do so with 3... d5 or 3... Nf6, both of which transpose to the Alapin variation of the Sicilian (usually introduced by the move order 1.e4 c5 2.c3). Alternatively, 3... d6 is the Smith-Morra declined proper, and leads to unique lines.

Some interesting games played on FICGS by David Angeli : Game 563, Game 565 (accepted gambit) or Game 555 (declined, with 3. ... d5).

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5

this is the main variation . white gain space and threatens the black knight .
white chances are about 57% .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5

the only logical move .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5

here begins the benoni defense . c5 can also be played at first .
black attacks the white d4-pawn , and "force" d5 , then this pawn is the black's target ( with Cf6 , e6 for example ) .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5

The main and the most logical move. White keeps his centre and gains a space advantage.

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Contributors : Pablo Schmid, David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5

the benko gambit . when accepted , black have counterplay in the a and b columns , and by the control of the a1-h8 and f1-a6 diagonals .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6

the most logical answer of cxb5 .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Larry Wolfley    (2133)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3

This is an attempt to trick Black into playing 3..e5 (4.Nxe5 Qa5+ -+), White responds with 4.c3 and after 4..dxc3 will have reached a good variation of the Morra gambit.

An interesting try for Black is 3..a6, and if White plays 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5! reaches a variation of the O'kelly Sicilian that is considered not bad for Black, and he has avoided White's most promising lines.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf6 a6 (O'kelly) and now both 3.c3 and 3.c4 are generally considered more testing against this line.


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Contributors : Larry Wolfley


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 c3

this anti-sicilian is better against this black move ...e6 .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6

this interesting move is played to avoid some anti-sicilian like b3,Fb5 . it can transpose into dragon variations .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6

this move enters the accelerated dragon variation .
black will put his king's bishop in fianchetto , and prepare d5 .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6

the normal move .
black attacks the white e4 pawn .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 Nc3

this move is a correct alternative to the maroczy bind .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Kostis Megalios    (1400)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3

Classical Variation.
The most popular reply to the Caro-Cann.
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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Kostis Megalios


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5

the advance variation .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5

The Grünfeld Defence is named after Ernst Grünfeld, the player who first employed the defence in the 1920s. The defence was later adopted by a number of prominent players, including Vasily Smyslov, Viktor Korchnoi and Bobby Fischer. Garry Kasparov has often used the defence, including in his World Championship matches against Anatoly Karpov in 1986, 1987 and 1990, and Vladimir Kramnik in 2000. In more recent years it has been regularly employed by Loek Van Wely, Peter Svidler and Luke McShane among others.

The opening relies on one of the main principles of the hypermodern school, which was coming to the fore in the 1920s - that a large pawn centre could be a liability rather than an asset. This idea is seen most clearly in the Exchange Variation of the defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4. Now White has an imposing looking centre - and the main continuation 5...Nxc3 bxc3 strengthens it still further. Black generally attack's White's centre with ...c5 and ...Bg7, often followed by moves like ...cxd4, ...Bg4, and ...Nc6. White often uses his big centre to launch an attack against Black's king, which generally ends up on g8 after Black castles king-side.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


David Grosdemange    (1912)
Nf3 c5

this move allows white to enter in a sicilian game with 1)e4 , or in an english opening with 2)c4 .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4

Bishop's Gambit, where White's development will rapidly increase after 3... Qh4+!? 4. Kf1 followed by 5. Nf3, driving the queen away and gaining a tempo, however, most modern players will not bring out the queen.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2407)
e4 c5 b4

Wing Gambit is the name given to the branches of several openings in which one player gambits a wing pawn, usually the b pawn).

Most common is the Wing Gambit in the Sicilian Defence. After Black takes with 2...cxb4, the usual continuation is 3.a3 bxa3 (3...d5 is also possible). It is also possible to decline (or at least delay acceptance of) the gambit with 2...d5.

For his pawn, White gets quicker development and a central advantage, but it is not generally considered one of White's better choices against the Sicilian, and is virtually never seen at the professional level (amongst amateurs it is more common, though still not so popular as other systems).

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4

the acceptation of this gambit isn't a bad choice .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 a4

a way to decline the benkö gambit .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4

black gain space on the queen side . the Nb1 has lost his best square ...

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2

another way to decline the gambit .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6

white accepts the gambit .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3

white develops this knight on his best square . after axb5 , white can play e4 (the vilnius variation) or play Cxb5 , who transpose into a totally accepted benkö after Fa6 Cc3 .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4

the vilnius variation . white want to attack in the center .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 Nxe4

the Nb5 protects the e-pawn :)

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
f4 e5 g4

this mistake allows black to play the quickest mate possible .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
f4 e5 g4 Qh4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 a4 bxc4

an alternative to b4 . the idea is that d5 is less protected yet .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 e3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Umberto Starace    (1952)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2


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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Umberto Starace


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5

the sicilian sveshnikov .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Pablo Schmid    (1700)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5

The best reply. White gains a tempo by threatening Nd6+. Other moves shouldn't give a problem to Black.

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Contributors : Pablo Schmid


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6

d6 seems forced to avoid Cd6+ .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 a6 Qa4 Bd7

a common error in this position .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 Be7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
c4 c5

the symmetrical english .
if blacks plays too long symmetrical , white can keep a little advantage with the advance to play first . but black can isn't forced to continue playing symmetrical .

this move is sometimes used by sicilian players , because it can transpose into a maroczy bind .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5

black attack the d4 pawn .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 Nb5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 Nb5 Ba6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 Nb5 Ba6 Nc3

this transposed into an accepted benko .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Ilmars Cirulis    (1299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4


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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Ilmars Cirulis


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 cxd4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4

this move is possible because black hasn't played Nc6 . so the queen attacks the h8 rook .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2

the most logical move .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Benjamin Block    (1419)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Benjamin Block


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxf7

with this move , white has at least the drawn game .
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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxf7 Kxf7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxf7 Kxf7 Qh5+



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxf7 Kxf7 Qh5+ Ke6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
f4 e5 fxe5

"the acceptation of the from gambit doesn't give more than the equality" . (alexander alekhine)
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid, David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6

black counter-attacks on the white central pawn .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6 dxc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qe4+



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qe4+ Be7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qe4+ Be7 Qf4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qe4+ Be7 Qf4 Rxb6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nc6 Nf3 Rb8 Ne5 Qf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qe4+ Be7 Qf4 Rxb6 Qc7

it seems win a piece , but ..... how many white pieces are developped ??

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3 e6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3 e6 e4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3 e6 e4 exd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3 e6 e4 exd5 e5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 f3 e6 e4 exd5 e5 Qe7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 c3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qd2



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qd2 dxc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qd2 dxc6 Nc3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Terry Godat    (2036)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5

another way to decline the king's gambit .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Terry Godat

If Black wants to decline the gambit and still play for a win, this seems to be the best way.




David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 f4 d6

a simple move , declining the king's gambit .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Graham Cridland    (1692)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7

Black has two main choices here, the text move and ...a6. In either case, White can either ignore the move order and proceed with development (the main lines), or attempt to take advantage of the difference. In the case of ...Qc7, this generally means Ponomariov's pet line 6 Ndb5 Qb8 7 Be3!?, using the b5 square before it is covered to inconvenience Black in his development.

Otherwise, we enter the major Paulsen/Taimanov variations (and Black will generally play ...a6 to rule out Ndb5 ideas).
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Contributors : Graham Cridland


Graham Cridland    (1692)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Ndb5 Qb8 Be3 a6 Bb6 axb5 Nxb5 Bb4+

This is the move approved by theory, although there are a couple of other possibilities, based on removing the Rook from view of the fork:

10 ...Ra5, 10...Ra4.

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Contributors : Graham Cridland


Thibault de Vassal    (2425)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6

The Berlin Defence is logical and solid, although it can be hard for Black to generate winning chances. Arthur Bisguier played this line for decades, and it was later taken up by Alexei Shirov and other young grandmasters. Vladimir Kramnik used the Berlin Defence as a drawing variation against Garry Kasparov in their 2000 World Championship match.

After 4.0-0, Black can play either the solid 4...Nxe4 or the more combative 4...Bc5. After 4...Nxe4 5.d4 (5.Re1 Nd6 6.Nxe5 is also reasonable) Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ (8.Qe2?! Nd4! 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 favors Black. After 10.Rd1, Bg4!? 11.Rxd4 Bxe2 gives Black a pleasant endgame.) Kxd8 White is usually considered to have a small advantage in light of his somewhat better pawn structure and Black's awkwardly placed king, but Black, with a solid position and the bishop pair, has excellent drawing chances.

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Contributors : Julien Baudement, Tim Bredernitz, Thibault de Vassal


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Gregory Kohut    (1574)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Gregory Kohut


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5

This variation is known as the anti-Najdorf system because black can no longer play 6 ... e5.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6

This variation is know as the Sicilian poisonned pawn and has been popularized by the World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2

The most popular move. The object is to challenge black's idea to take the b2 pawn.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Premraj Natarajan    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2

When black captures b2 pawn with the queen its called the poisoned pawn and hence white is supposed to win because of this early sacrifice.
This stage its still I believe is unclear.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois, Premraj Natarajan


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2 h5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2 h5 Rb3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2 h5 Rb3 Qa4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2 h5 Rb3 Qa4 Nxf6+



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2 h5 Rb3 Qa4 Nxf6+ Bxf6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Be2 h5 Rb3 Qa4 Nxf6+ Bxf6 c4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Nb3


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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Be7


the classical line.
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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Graham Cridland    (1438)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 b5

The Polugaevsky Variation, permitting, and indeed virtually requiring White to continue with e4-e5. Any alternative permits Black ...Bb7 with active development.
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Contributors : Rémi Marois, Graham Cridland


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4

This move as been popularised by the world chess champion Bobby Fischer. Before Fischer, we use to think that the Bishop was misplaced on the a2-g8 diagonal after 6... e6. This variation introduces many sacrifical themes.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3

The object of this move is to reduce black's choices and to eliminate the idea of Nxe4 Nxe4 d5.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7 Qf3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qc7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qc7 Qg3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qc7 Qg3 Nc6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qc7 Qg3 Nc6 Nxc6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Be7

A mistake!

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Be7 Bxe6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 b4

A mistake!!

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 b4 Nd5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6

A mistake!!

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 a4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 a4 b4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 a4 b4 Nd5

A Mistake!!
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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 a4 b4 Nxc6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 a4 b4 Nxc6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 a4 b4 Nxc6 Bxc6 Nd5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nbd7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nbd7 Bg5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nbd7 Bg5 h6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nbd7 Bg5 Nc5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nbd7 Bg5 Nc5 Bd5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qb6



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 Rc8



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 Rc8 Nh5


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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 Rc8 Nh5 Nxh5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 Rc8 Nh5 Nxh5 Qxh5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 Rc8 Nh5 Nxh5 Qxh5 O-O



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 f4 Bb7 f5 e5 Nde2 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 Rc8 Nh5 Nxh5 Qxh5 O-O h4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Andrew Stephenson    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Nbd7

At one time thought to be unplayable for black was the main choice of Kasparov when facing Bc4
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Contributors : Rémi Marois, Andrew Stephenson


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Nbd7 f4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Nbd7 f4 Nc5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Nbd7 f4 Nc5 f5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 O-O



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 O-O b5



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 O-O b5 Bb3

Transpose to wikichess #421#

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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 f4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Larry Wolfley    (2133)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 f3

This often just transposes to the English Attack (6.Be3 and then 7.f3 is more common). With this move order White avoids lines that arise from 6.Be3 Ng4.

On the other hand, White allows Black an additional option of 7..Qb6 here.

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Contributors : Rémi Marois, Larry Wolfley


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 g3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bd3



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Rémi Marois    (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 g4



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Contributors : Rémi Marois


Tim Bredernitz    (1100)
e4 e5 Qh5

This is called the Parham Attack. It's used commonly in lower scholastic tournaments. If used against a player who has the ability to see multiple moves ahead, however, the early over-development of the Queen will result in either the loss of the white Queen, or the loss of a tempo. The move is deceiving, because white is actually putting the e5 pawn under attack. If black counters by attacking the queen with 2. ... g6?, they lose a rook a rook to 3.Qxe5+. The most effective way to counter against this attack is to protect the e5 pawn. After the King pawn is protected, white's queen is left overdeveloped and subject to attack. Overall, the Parham Attack is only effective against beginning chess players.


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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz


Pablo Schmid    (1700)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nf6

With this move, Black ignores the threat of Qxe5+ to gain somes tempo.
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid


Roger Whitman    (1971)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nf6 Qxe5 Be7

Black continues to developp himself and will gain another tempo with Nc6.

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Contributors : Pablo Schmid, Roger Whitman


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nc6 Bc4 g6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6

There is a question as to which pawn you should take the bishop with. Let me clear this up. White will now take the e pawn.


* white won't take the e-pawn (because of Qd4!-/+) , but white has a majority on the king-site (4 against 3) , when black's majority on queen-side isn't really effective , because of the doubled pawns .


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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5

It now looks like white has succeeded in trading a bishop for a knight and a pawn, along with control of the center. There is, however, a great equalizer for this attack. Qd4.

* taking the e-pawn is a good black move . white will lose the pawn , and there no more compensation for the pair of bishops .

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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
f4 e6

The Fool's Mate.

* this mate can be reached with the from gambit , who is better than this e6 . (see f4 e5 g4?)

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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O

the favourite move of fischer .
here , white really threatens the e5-pawn . (Nxe5 Qd4 Nf3 Qxe4 Te1 +-)

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Max Rau-Chaplin    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6

The idea behind Nf6 is that black can take back the pawn the next turn with the knight and not lose tempo by having his queen attacked. If white tries to hold onto the pawn with 3. c4, black has 3...c6! offering a pawn for a significant lead in development (Panov-Botvinnik atack). Best for white is to decline the pawn and transpose to the Caro-Kann defence with 4.d4.

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Contributors : Adam Domurad, Max Rau-Chaplin


Adam Domurad    (1700)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5

Temporarily, it seems as if black has a lead in development, and an open file for his queen. But white has Nc3 where the queen most move again while white has developed a piece.

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Contributors : Adam Domurad


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Sandor Porkolab    (2269)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5

The Queen feel good here - after white move d4 - pinning the Knight on c3.
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Nf3 is also an option

Contributors : David Grosdemange, Sandor Porkolab


Roger Weber    (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 d4 Bg4

A good move to keep control of the center and counter white's advancement of the queen's pawn.

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Contributors : Roger Weber


Mike Hoogland    (1760)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d4

An old move, played before Fischer's 0-0. After the pawn exchange, White creates a favourable endgame pawn structure, given his 4-3 pawn majority on the Kingside. Black is unable to exploit his Queenside majority because of the doubled pawn. However in practise, Black is able to to create sufficient counterplay with his bishop pair to hold the balance.

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Actually, I think this is a bad move. After 0-0 black will have to defend the pawn on e5. 6. Nxe5, Qd4. 7. Nf3, Qxe4 does not work anymore for black, because white can play his rook to e1 and win the queen (the queen is pinned).

Therefore, black usually defends the pawn with f6. f6 is not very useful however, and black would rather have made another move, if he could have done so. Qd6 and Qf6 are also good moves that defend the pawn on e5. However, after 6. d4, exd4 7. Qxd4, Qxd4 black will have lost a tempo in comparison to this variant.

Contributors : Adrian Tan, Mike Hoogland


Thibault de Vassal    (2522)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5

Czech problemist Karel Traxler played first 4...Bc5!? in Reinisch–Traxler, Prague 1890.

Marshall analyzed the variation and named it after the town Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Today this variation is known as both the Traxler Variation and the Wilkes-Barre Variation.

Traxler counter-attack is rarely played at a grandmaster level, but Beliavsky and Shirov have played it occasionally, sometimes in top competition.

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Contributors : Adrian Tan, Thibault de Vassal


Ilmars Cirulis    (1909)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7

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Contributors : Adrian Tan, Thibault de Vassal, Roger Whitman

This seems to be White's best.


David Grosdemange    (1912)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bb5+



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bb5+ Bd7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bb5+ Nd7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Gregory Kohut    (1783)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5

The beginning of the end ! Black has no moveoptions and the Qf6-Move is a MUST and not a can.

The following comment is by me (Benjamin Aldag):

The Kings Gambit was good to play in the early 80s. But with comming of good and fast computers, the Kings Gambit is researched move for move in all lines. If both players play the best moves, all white can reach is a draw. But the point is, white has the chance, to do more wrong in the opening, than black. Ok, there are some kiddy-tricks by white, but if black want an equal game, he will get it. Now letz take a look to the latvian,- the Kings Gambit with a tempo down. If the Kings Gambit is bad, why should the Latvian Gambit good for black with a tempo down ? The only way for black is to hope, that the white player isn't prepared for this gambit. There are many traps, but the basics of these traps are easy to see. Black is from beginning on under big pressure and has no dynamic play. In nearly all lines of the Latvian Gambit, black has only forced moves. From now on, i will give to all moves in all lines my commentary. Ok.... i'am not a GM, IM, or FM, but i think i know the Latvian Gambit really good.
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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Gregory Kohut


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Normajean Yates    (1967)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Normajean Yates


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O

the muzio gambit .
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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 d4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2424)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3

The Göring Gambit is a relative of the Danish Gambit that starts with 4.c3. Now transposing into the Danish with 4...d5 equalizes for Black, but he can also accept the pawn with 4...dxc3. White can then transpose into the Danish by offering a second pawn with 5.Bc4. If Black accepts the second pawn with 5...cxb2 6.Bxb2 d6, he can defend successfully after either 7.Qb3 Qd7 or 7.0-0 Be6 8.Bxe6 fxe6 9.Qb3 Qd7. To remain in the Göring proper, White recaptures with his knight with 5.Nxc3 and Black can defend with 5...Bb4 6.Bc4 d6.

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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Thibault de Vassal


Peter Marriott    (1816)
g4

Grob's Attack named after Swiss IM Henri Grob (1904-74).

White intends to put pressure along the h1-a8 diagonal while also threatening to launch a Kingside pawn storm.

The opening is considered inferior for White (-0.32 at this stage of analysis 29/06/2008), but it avoids endless theoretical discussions and cannot be avoided by Black. The positions are often highly tactical and natural play by Black may lead him into several traps.

Evaluation notes from Kjetil Prestesaeter:
I have added all known named lines plus other lines favored by Rybka (Rybka 2.3 mp 32-bit, 17ply). Many of the named lines seem to be more romantic than strong. Please extend the analysis if you have spare time and computer power.

Notes by Peter Marriott:

I used to use the Grob in many blitz games I have played against humans. I actually had good success, not because it is a good move, but because it confused many players. On a chess server, I actually achieved a rating from 16-1700 by playing it. Many, many players simply responded by ...d5 and after I played Bg2, they took the g4 pawn, which led me to win a whole bunch of games by playing 3.c4, with an eye on b7. Maybe the right way to play this for black is simply to play 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 then c6. Then white wonders what he's gonna do (At least I did!)
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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Gary Gruwé, Kjetil Prestesaeter, Peter Marriott


Kieran Child    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3

The ponziani opening.

Aims to grasp d4 early on, but is this possibly a premature aim?
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Contributors : Dirk Jan Van Dijl, Kieran Child


Graham Wyborn    (1669)
d4 f5 c4


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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Graham Wyborn


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Bf4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Nf3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Bc4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Bf4 g5 Bxg5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Bf4 g5 Bxg5 Nxe4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Bf4 g5 Bxg5 Nxe4 Bf4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4 b4 Nb5 d6 Bf4 g5 Bxg5 Nxe4 Bf4 Bg7



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Mark Carroll    (1700)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 e6 O-O

These first few moves for white are known as the Barcza System. It allows for flexible play in the center.

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Contributors : Mark Carroll


Mark Carroll    (1700)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 e6 O-O Be7 d3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 e4 b6 e5 Nd7 Re1 Qc7 Qe2 Bb7 h4 O-O-O a3 h6 h5 Rdg8 c4

C4 ushers in white's queen side attack. It also attempts to open up the Bishop on g2 more.

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Contributors : Mark Carroll


Mark Carroll    (1700)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Be7 Qc2 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 cxd5 exd5 d4 Be7 Be3 O-O O-O-O Nc6 a3 Na5 Bd3 h6 Qe2

This is not the best move for white. In this position, both sides should attempt a pawn storm and all out attack on the other side's king. For white, f4 would be a better alternative as it gives him an advantage in his attack. Qe2 wastes time and allows black to go ahead with his counterattack.
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Contributors : Mark Carroll


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5

the interesting Schliemann's defence

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Marc Lacrosse    (2233)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5

The Basman-Sale sicilian.
If white plays Nb3, Black intends to go for some original play with Bb6, Ne7 and often f5.
If Be3, than Qb6 with pressure along the a7-g1 diagonal. Some lines lead to extremely confuse highly tactical positions.
Originally played by british IM Michael Basman in the seventies and eighties. More recently IM Srdjan Sale has been the main exponent of the variation with some fair results including a win against the then young Peter Leko.

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Contributors : Marc Lacrosse


Ilmars Cirulis    (1866)
b4 e5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Attila Nagy

1... e5 on a first look appears to be the best tactical way to open up the position, but recent experience suggests that it is not so good..., the response 2. b5! seems to show excellent results, but it is little tested to date. 2. Bb2 is much more tested, in fact it should be said that so far it is the main line... - Normajean Yates, Ulrich Imbeck, Thigorin Sergej, Ilmars Cirulis


Normajean Yates    (1946)
b4 e5 Bb2

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main line so far, but there is a good chance that 2.b5 will displace it soon.

Contributors : David Grosdemange, Normajean Yates


Tim Hansell    (0932)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4


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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Adam Goodwin    (1365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5

Frank Marshall analyzed this move for at least 9 years before he played it against Capablanca in 1918.

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Contributors : Marshall Gambit
chess thematic tournament, Adam Goodwin


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6

Analysed by Marshall in 1942, as an improvement on 11...Nf6 that gave Marshall a lose to Capablanca in 1918.

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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Telmo Escobar


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1983)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Benjamin Aldag    (1822)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qf7 Ne3 c6 Nxe4 d5 Ng5

How can i describe the past moves of this game with one word ? Hmmm....it's GAMING ! White is playing with his opponent like a cat with a mice. Just count the queenmoves of black, and you will understand me. Let us remember some opening rules:

1. Don't move to early the queen.
2. Don't move with the same figure in the opening twice or more times.
3. Don't open the pawnshield of your king (f-pawn etc.).
4. Develope your figures fast and with one move.

Now......we can see,- Black did in the opening all wrong, what a chessplayer can do wrong in the opening. In the Latvian Gambit, White will kill Black with a headshot !

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Benjamin Aldag


Benjamin Aldag    (1822)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qf7 Ne3 c6 d3 exd3 Bxd3 d5 O-O

0-0:

After this move, the white position is clear better, than the blacks !

1.White has the better development !
2.White has the open e-file

The only problem of white could be, that he has at the moment no basepoints in the center. But this is, for the moment, no real problem.


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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Benjamin Aldag


Dirk Ghysens    (2187)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5

The main continuation, and the only one which gives Black opening problems.

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Contributors : Dirk Ghysens


David Grosdemange    (2011)
d4 f5 g4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (2011)
d4 f5 g4 fxg4



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (2011)
d4 f5 g4 fxg4 h3



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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Thibault de Vassal    (2425)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6

The Smyslov Defence is a quiet positional system played occasionally by Vassily Smyslov and Boris Spassky. It became popular in the 1980s when it was shown that 4.c3 a6! gives Black a good game. Later it was found that after 4.d4 exd4 5.Bg5 White has the advantage, and the variation is rarely played today. An interesting gambit line 4.d4 ed4 5.c3 has also been recommended by Alexander Khalifman, although some of the resulting positions are yet to be tested extensively.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Ron Keyston    (1522)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6

While normally a prophylactic move such as a6 is considered to be an "amateurish" type move, it is very thematic in the Qd6 line of the Scandinavian. This move prepares Nc6 while preventing the bishop pin at b5 and also prepares for an advance of the b-pawn in the case of Bc4.

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Contributors : Ron Keyston


Ilmars Cirulis    (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 h3 Bg3 c3 Nf5 d6 Nxd6 Qf3 Nxc4 Qxg3 Bf5 b3 Nd6 Ba3 O-O-O Bxd6 cxd6 c4

And white don't have any serious problems and are going to win. :D
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis


Ingo Schwarz    (1824)
e4 c5 Bc4

An idea, which I have tested in some tournament games. I often played Bc4 in other Sicilian systems, so I asked me, why not play it as soon as possible.

This move works against d5 and sometimes a Bxf7+ combination is possible like in other openings with sharp play.

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Contributors : Ingo Schwarz


Kostis Megalios    (1400)
f4 d5

This is the basic position of the Bird, it actually looks like a Dutch reversed, but with a tempo more. Though the dutch is considered to be quite sound the problem of playing it with white is that with black you go for the equality, but with white you have to go for the for advantage.
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Contributors : Gregory Kohut, Kostis Megalios


Gregory Kohut    (1700)
f4 c5 e4 d6 Nc3

after 2)...d6 , white can obtain a grand prix attack where black lose a tempo , because he's played d6?! .

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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Alexander Minkin


Wolfgang Utesch    (2443)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5

?! Seems not the best!

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Contributors : Wolfgang Utesch


Max Rau-Chaplin    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4

3 d4. is the standard move in this position. Rather than attempting to hold its over-extended doubled pawn White plays for a strong center and easy development. From here there are two popular variations, 3 NxF6(main line) and the sharper portugese variation 3 BG4

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Contributors : Max Rau-Chaplin


Thibault de Vassal    (2471)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 Bd7 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Rfe1 Re8 a4 Ba7 b4 b5 axb5 axb5 Ra5 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Rxa8 Bxa8 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxb5 Re7 Qd3 Bb7 Re3 Qf4 Qb5 Qg4 h3 Qf4 g3 Qf6 Kg2 Re6 d5 Re7 Re2 Qa1 Qc4 Ba6 b5 Bb7 Qd3 Qd1 Re1 Qa4 Rb1 Qa7 Nh4 Bc8 f4 Bd7 Nhf3 Re8 g4 Qa4 Kg3 f6 f5 Rb8 Qc3 Kf8 h4 Re8 Kf4 Re7 Nc4 Qa2 Nfd2 Qa7 Nxb6 Qxb6 Qe3 Qa5 b6 cxb6 Rxb6 Be8 Nf3 Qa7 g5 fxg5+

An attempt to save the position :)

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Thibault de Vassal    (2522)
e4 e6 d4 f5

The 'Kingston Defence' is characterised by the opening moves:

1.e4 e6
2.d4 f5

It can also be reached after the transposition of moves 1.d4 f5 2.e4 e6 — a form of Staunton Gambit Declined.

The first record of the defence being played is Schiffers-Chigorin, 1880. The first record of a win by Black is the 1892 victory of Elson over Emanuel Lasker. It remains obscure, but has considerable surprise value.

The Kingston Defence shares a weakness with the French Defence — in the form of the constrained queen's bishop -- and a strength with the Dutch Defence — namely the early thrust of the f-pawn, which often supports a knight on e4. (These French and Dutch similarities led to the first, uncomfortable name for the defence: Frutch.) White's decision at move three tends to define the nature of the game that follows.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7 Ne5

This may be premature. The threat of Qh5+ g6 Nxg6 is enticing, but Black's natural reply stops this right away.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Kieran Child    (1600)
Nf3 d5 e4 dxe4 Ng5 f5

A seemingly harmless move, but one that significantly weakens e6, allowing for an early f7 tactic. If white doesn't take the opportunity immedietly, e5 is possible, kicking back the white knight and giving black a good game a pawn up.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Kieran Child    (1600)
Nf3 d5 e4 d4 Bc4

An aggressive reply to black's premature pawn push. White prepares for quick castling and hits the f7 square. By controlling d5, this move also makes the d4 pawn look vulnerable.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Kieran Child    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Nc6 Qh5+ g6 Nxg6 Nf6 Qh4 hxg6

The most aggressive and risky move. Few draws emerge from this position. Black's aim is to get white's queen into the corner and out of the way so he can launch a mating attack on the white king, something he's willing to sacrifice the rook for. Taking the rook is sound though, as all of black's attacks can be easily seen off.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Kieran Child    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Nc6 Qh5+ g6 Nxg6 Nf6 Qh4 Rg8 Nxf8

Most frequently played, but probably a blunder. Black's attack is now tremendous.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Kieran Child    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 c5

Mafia defence

Black's aim is to prevent d4 being played and thus marginally restricting white's hopes of a recapture on f4. This has yet to see any success though, and Bc4 and d3 by white seems to refute it pretty well.

Chessbase considers this 38% won for black

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Terry Godat    (2137)
h4 e5 Rh3 d5 Re3 Nc6 d4 e4 c4

More attention than it deserves? pah!
With c4, white continues to attack the centre by attempting to undermine the defence of e4. This is a tactic typical in grob openings.

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Contributors : Kieran Child, Terry Godat
Thanks for your compliment to my invention, but it really is quite silly.


Toon Pepermans    (1992)
d4 e5

Englund gambit (/Charlick gambit)

Black's aim is to avoid closed systems and castle early, though nowadays this move is rarely seen without the follow up trap. In case the multiple follow up traps appeal to anyone reading this, remember that this opening is never seen at grandmaster level, emphasising its hideous unsoundness.

-K.Child

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1. d4 e5
{The Seccond best first move gambit in Chess. The authority is GM Stefan Bücker, who wrote one of the bibles of unorthodox openings, with his book "Englund Gambit" (1988). He has touched upon the opening in later collumns both at chesscafe.com and in his magazine; Kaissiber. The conclusion seems to be that White is better with acurate play, but OTB White usually avoids those main lines.}

2. dxe5 Nc6
(2... d6 "Hartlaub-Gambit")

3. Nf3 Qe7
(3... f6 "Soller Gambit")
(3... Nge7 "Zilbermints Gambit")
{Now White can chose between several playable lines:}

A) 4. Bf4 {Grob Variation}
B) 4. Qd5 {Stockholm Variation}
C) 4. Nc3
D) 4. e4

-P.Valle, 5th Nov 2010

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Contributors : Kieran Child, Paul Valle, Toon Pepermans


Kieran Child    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 f5

Calabrese countergambit

A relative of the latvian gambit. Black's aim is a subtle exploitation of white's early bishop choice. He seeks to play a quick d5 and gain the centre with a tempo. White can just play like a kings gambit declined with a tempo up.

Chessbase considers this a 61% win for black, unusually high, and probably because of the many sticky situations white can find himself in if he is too aggressive.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Kieran Child    (1600)
Na3 e5 Nb5

The most common move on my database, but I can't see any reason why. The knight will just track back to c3 with white two tempi down.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Roberto Migliorini    (2058)
c4 b5

Jaenisch gamnbit

Never been an especially popular opening, the Jaenisch gambit is a theoretically unsound attempt at getting an interesting game out of the English. Black aims to quickly develop the bishop to b7 and gain central control, though he is not without some tactical traps on the queenside. White can easily fight for a solid centre, and start some counterplay while black is trying to regain the pawn.

Chessbase considers this a 34% win for black, 32% if white accepts the pawn.

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Contributors : Kieran Child, Roberto Migliorini


Kieran Child    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 Qh4 Qd3 d5

A nice move, and black has avoided any white tricks. This seems to give equality.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Kostis Megalios    (1400)
d4 d5 e4

The Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.
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Contributors : Paul König, Kostis Megalios


Kevin O Flaherty    (1650)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 e6 Bb5+

Bb5+ is a waste of a tempo


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Contributors : Paul König, Kevin O Flaherty


Kieran Child    (1600)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4

Staunton gambit accepted.

White has now opened up both bishops and will look to attack the awkward-looking e4 pawn in the process. Black may try and hold on to the pawn but probably shouldn't, as white has some tactical ideas around Qh5+ Instead, attempts at castling kingside safely should be preferred.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4

This could be White's strongest move. It may not seem obvious now, but if Black castles kingside, then White pressurises d5 with Nc3 and Qb3, which also bears down on b7 and the black king on g8.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 c6 Ne5

This seems premature.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 Nf6 Ne5

This seems premature, as Black can nudge it away immediately.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 Nf6 Ne5 d6

Just to show White that he has lost a tempo.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Kieran Child    (1600)
Nf3 g5 Nxg5 e5 d4 h6

Seems to be better than attacking with the bishop. Looks very awkward though.

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Contributors : Kieran Child


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 c4 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4 Nbc6 Nf3 Ng6 a3

White seems completely lost. This move is entirely unthematic.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 c4 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4 Nbc6 Nf3 Ng6 a3 Qc7 Nc3 Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Nb5 Qb8 Qh5+ g6 Qe2 Bg7 f4 a6 Nc3 Nf3+ Qxf3 Bxd4 Rd1 Bg7 g3 b5 Bg2 Ra7 Qd3 bxc4 Qxc4 Rc7

White resigned here. The b-pawn is about to be lost, and his position has no redeeming features.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 Nf6 fxe6

White decides to ensure he remains a pawn ahead.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 g3 Nf6 Bg2 O-O O-O Ne4

Looks premature. 7...d5 would be better, and achieve near-equality.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 g3 Nf6 Bg2 O-O O-O Ne4 Qd3

Looks premature. 7.d5 would be better.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 g3 Nf6 Bg2 O-O O-O Ne4 Qd3 d5 c3 Nd7 Bf4

Develops the bishop, but ..g5 is now looking tempting.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bc4 cxd4 cxd4 Ng6 O-O a6 a3 b5 Be2

Seems sensible.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Qe7+ Ne5 Nc6 Bf4 Be6 O-O Nxe5 Bxe5 O-O-O Re1 Qf7 Nc3 c6

Appears to open squares near the Black King, but White doesn't seem to be able to attack this weakness.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Bd3 fxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bf3

This line of the Kingston Defence seems to have no merit. It blocks the knight from its natural f3 square, and it even blocks the Queen's diagonal move to the kingside. Fritz rates the position about 0.09.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Bd3 fxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bf3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 c3 Be7 Nd2 O-O

Puts the rook immediately on a semi-open file.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Thibault de Vassal    (2522)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 Nf6

A really critical line.

Is the tempo enough for the pawn ? .. Very interesting :)

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 g4

A new idea in the Advance variation, perhaps conceived in the belief that new, passive-looking defences like the Kingston Defence need to be walloped immediately. But it seems unsound. According to Fritz, White loses his 0.55 advantage immediately with this move.


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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 g4 fxg4

Fritz advises ..Nbc6 instead, but thismove allows Black to stick to the thematic moves and pawn structure of the Kingston Defence.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 g4 fxg4 Qxg4 c5

Slightly risky, but entirely thematic, and it frees up the queenside. If dxc5, ..Nbc6.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nc3 d5 Qh5+

Seems to be seeking a quick refutation of the Kingston Defence. But the move is not as premature as it looks.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nc3 d5 Qh5+ g6 Qe2+ Be7 Bg5

The most aggressive attempt at a quick refutation.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 Bb4+ Nc3 O-O O-O a6 a3

Although White seems to be copying Black, this move is not bad.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 Bb4+ Nc3 O-O O-O a6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b5

Fritz doesn't like Black's position (+0.91), but this move is highly thematic in the Advance variation of the Kingston Defence.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 d5 c4

This looks slightly premature. 0-0 is obvious and best, after which Fritz values the position as +0.47.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5+ Qd2 Qxd2+ Nbxd2 Nd5 a3

Nb3 would have been much better. The problem is that White's Bg5 is now trapped. Fritz says this position is worth -1.59.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nh3

Slightly mysterious, but does create the option of putting the knight on f4, which might put useful pressure on g6 if the White queen comes out to h5+.

One reason why we are advised not to develop knights onto rook-3 is in case they are captured by an enemy bishop and you have to re-capture with the pawn. But in this opening, there are currently three of the opponent's own pawns preventing this capture.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nh3 c5

Black plays this thematic move, which doesn't make even Fritz's Top 8 list of moves.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nh3 c5 Nf4 cxd4 Bd3

Qxd4 would have been worth -0.28. White seems to think he can punish Black for this unknown defence.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Telmo Escobar    (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 h6 Nd2 Nf4 Bf1 f5 c5 g5 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 g4 b5 Rf6 Qb3 Kh7 b6 a6 Ba3 Rg6 Rac1 h5 Qb4 Bf8 Qb1


White seems to have the upper hand here, a thorough analysis of this position is in my "todo" list...

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Yugi Inving    (0980)
h4 b6 h5 e5


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Black now start their fight for the center and stop rook total devloppement. but white attack g7 again...


Yugi Inving    (0980)
h4 e5 h5 h6



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Black have seen that white what to push h6 and stop them.
Contributors : Yugi Inving


Thibault de Vassal    (2522)
h4 e5 a4 d5 g3

Why not a slow developement ? The aim of hypermodern is not to attack at any price h4-h5-h6? but to wait for what opponent will do (most probably in the center)

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Yugi Inving    (0980)
h4 e5 a4 d5 g3 Bd6 b3 Be6

Let's fight fire by fire. so slow devlopement whit slow devloppement and hypermodern.

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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Ercan Ertem    (1400)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4



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Ercan Ertem    (1400)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nf6



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Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Ne5

Premature. White should develop more pieces or castle before moving one piece twice. The kingside attack (initiated by Qh5) is not on.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Collin Bleak    (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8+ Kxd8 Bc4 Ke8

This somewhat passive line leaves Black defending for a long time, although according to IM practice, it seems Black can retain the balance.
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Contributors : Collin Bleak


Collin Bleak    (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8+ Kxd8 Bc4 Be6

This leads to a very passive endgame for Black, where it seems White needs great patience to accomplish anything against the weak Black pawn structure.

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Contributors : Collin Bleak


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nc3

White is still ahead after this move, but it just seems a shotgun approach. Black was likely to play ..a6 soon anyway, rendering Nc3 fairly pointless.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 c5

Fritz does not like this move at all, rating it +1.06 to White, assuming he plays dxc5. But it is thematic.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 c5 Bg5 cxd4 Nxd4 Qa5

Black now has fluid movement for his pieces, but Fritz still rates this as +0.53 if white plays f4.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 dxc5 Qa5+

Naturellement.

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Yugi Inving    (0980)
h4 h6

wow, i dont think i know this move, but it seem a lot good.

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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Telmo Escobar    (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 Qe8 O-O Rf8 Nc3 d6 Nd5+ Kd8 c3 h6 d4 exd4 Nxf6 Rxf6 e5 Rf5 Nf3 Nxe5 Nh4 Rxf2 Kxf2


Best! Now the king is "threatening" to go to g3 (don't laugh about).
In this position I guess White has better prospects, but as White's king seems to be in danger, I wait for other players to provide analysis demonstrating Black's prospects.

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Mike Hoogland    (1764)
d3

I have seen this move twince. it is a very good move for people that want to play whit black but dont have them.

I play this opening a lot when I want to get an initial passive game.


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Contributors : Yugi Inving, Jose Fernández Bueno, Mike Hoogland


Gavin Wilson    (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Ng5

Seems pointless. White should finish his development before moving a piece for a second time.

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Contributors : Gavin Wilson


Thibault de Vassal    (2512)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bc4 Rf8

The best attempt to save Black, following theory after 6.Bb3

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Graham Cridland    (1406)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5

Each side carries out their thematic pawn advance. Now White forces the issue; if now Bh4? Nxe4!

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Contributors : Graham Cridland


Thibault de Vassal    (2512)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qf7 Ne3 c6 d3 exd3 Bxd3 d5 O-O Bc5 b4

"discovered by Mr. Steve James of the U.K." according to Jeremy Silman.

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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal


Attila Nagy    (1677)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6

Black continues with Nc6 development with a tempi

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Contributors : Attila Nagy


Sebastiano Paulesu    (1969)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Nc6 exf7+ Kxf7

Black position seem very unhappy: the king exposed, two pawns less, but the lead in developement can give some important chances to attack...

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Contributors : Sebastiano Paulesu


Kevin O Flaherty    (1650)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4

White should keep with the london system now.

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Contributors : Kevin O Flaherty


Telmo Escobar    (2055)
h4 e5 h5 d5 h6 g6


Now white is strategically lost as, after spending three tempi with his "h" pawn, he has no chances to eventually open the "h" file. Now the probable continuation of the game might be both players castling long, after which Black has the upper hand both in the middlegame (due to his superiority in space and centre control) and the endgame (when White pawn at h6 will be a painful weakness).

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Mike Hoogland    (1760)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5

White exchanges the pawn on c4 for the pawn on c6 (black should take it back with this pawn if black doesn't want to lose any influence in the centre).

As a result, Qb6 after Qb3 on the next move is no longer a strong option. Qxb6 then doubles blacks queenside pawns, leaving them and the b5 square weak. Therefore, after Qb3 black will have to find another way to defend the pawn.

After this, white will try to develop and increase presure on b7 and d5 at the same time.

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Contributors : Mike Hoogland


Ilmars Cirulis    (1543)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4

This move is the more aggressive attempt, compared to Nf3.

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Contributors : Sebastian Boehme


Normajean Yates    (1946)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5

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Contributors : Simon Lemay

lead to a more agressive defense for the black

mène a une defense plus agressive pour le noirs, Normajean Yates


Normajean Yates    (1946)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3

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Contributors : Simon Lemay

white need to protect the d4 pawn or get out the queen dangerously.

Or to play d5 instead, to transpose into a Benoni finchetto line.

les blancs doivent défendre le pion d4 ou sortir la dame dangereusement.

, Normajean Yates


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 cxd4


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easy way for black to equalize

une manière facile d'égaliser pour les noirs


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6



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prepare a great game if the whit play d5 or an even position if they play Bg2

prépare une partie interessante si les blancs jouent d5 ou une position équilibré si ils jouent Fg2


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5



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avoid a boring game.

évite une partie endormante


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3


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A GREAT SHOT!!!! force white to accept the benko gambit because the d5 pawn is under attak.

UN EXELENT COUP!!! force les blancs a accepter le gambit benko car le pion d5 est attaqué


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5


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d6,Ng6 Nxb5 and Nc7 is the next shot for white.

d6,Cg6 Cxb5 et Cc7 est imparable


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6



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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6



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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6 Bxa6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6 Bxa6 Bg2



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6 Bxa6 Bg2 d5



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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6



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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6 Nxb5



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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6 Nxb5 Qb6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc7+



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Contributors : Simon Lemay

white win the rook and the black king is in bad position

les blancs gagne la tour et le roi noir est en mauvaise posture


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6 Bg2

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Contributors : Simon Lemay




Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6 Bg2 b5



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Contributors : Simon Lemay
A GREAT SHOT!!!! force white to accept the benko gambit because the d5 pawn is under attak.

UN EXELENT COUP!!! force les blancs a accepter le gambit benko car le pion d5 est attaqué


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2



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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7


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Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7 O-O


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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O


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Contributors : Simon Lemay


Simon Lemay    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7 O-O d6



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Telmo Escobar    (2055)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O Nbd7 f4 b5 Bf3 Bb7 e5 Bxf3 Nxf3 b4 exf6 bxc3 fxg7 Bxg7 b3 Qb6+ Kh1 Nf6 f5 e5 Bg5 Qc6 Qe1 h6 Bh4 O-O Rd1 Rfe8


Gligoric-Simagin, Alekhine Memorial 1963. The position is about equal, although Black has some weaknesses that make his position more difficult to deal with. In this kind of situations Gligoric was a true grandmaster and he eventually won the game (1-0 in 56 moves)

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2055)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3


{after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5} Another way of avoiding the Indo-Benoni. Not adviced when you are a strong grandmaster playing another strong grandmaster, as this move goes into a variation of the Tarrasch (or Semi-Tarrasch) defence where Black has little trouble to equalise.

But, for you or me, this move is psychologically good as if prevents the opponent to reach the kind of position he's looking for.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2076)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 h5 h4 g4 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Qc2 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bg7 Bg3 Qxd4 Rad1 Qb6 b3 cxb3 axb3 a6 Rd2 Nd7


Suggested by Shipov as a possible improvement.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Jose Fernández Bueno    (1769)
Nf3 d5 d3

This move encourage black to attack, but white can play an important tactic them with g3 and after, Bg2.

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Contributors : Jose Fernández Bueno


Yugi Inving    (0914)
e4 f5 e5 h5

h5 prevent future check by the queen, and why not waiting for the ennemy reaction. give the center and take it back. hard but possible.

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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Julien Coll    (1672)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4

A popular move, and not only an inversed Sicilian Rossolimo. Because of the reversed colours and the tempo up for White, it leads to particular and typical positions of the English Opening, some of its most important tabyias.
To permit Bxc3 or not to permit Bxc3, that is the big question for White here.
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Contributors : Julien Coll


Yugi Inving    (0914)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 b3 Qe5+ Ne2 Qxa1 Nec3 Be6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 Nbd7 Qe2 c6 Bd2 O-O-O O-O Nb6 Na3 Qxf1+

This sacrifice remove an important pieces, Two rook are far better then a queen.

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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Yugi Inving    (0914)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 b3 Qe5+ Ne2 Qxa1 Nec3 Be6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 Nbd7 Qe2 c6 Bd2 O-O-O O-O Nb6 Na3 Qxf1+ Kxf1 g6

intending Bg7 to finish black developpement and then Rd7 and Rhd8

Black should have near 90% chances of winning in thses cases.
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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Arne Sigvald Engø    (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4



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Contributors : Arne Sigvald Engø

A very active move aimed at blocking black in his attempts to establish a pawn center.


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Qb6 Be3

The refutation of 6...Qb6?! Now Black should lost some tempo as his queen is in danger.
Let us see why the pawn at b2 is not to be taken.

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Ndb5 Qb4


Now it is bad 9.Nc7+ Kd8 10.Nxa8 Qxc3+ as White knight at a8 is lost. So Black seems to be OK after all. Yet the idea has a hole.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Ng4 Bb5 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc6+ Bd7 Bxa8 Nxe3 fxe3 Qxa8

A critical position. In order to understand why a single tempo will be decisive for the evaluation of the position, it's advisable to remember that Siegbert Tarrasch postulated that "two bishops plus a rook are better than two rooks plus a knight". According my oddly uneven experience of near forty years of tournament play, during which I lost to many patzers but beat many masters -and a few grandmasters- as well, I think Tarrasch's axiom is correct most of the time. Indeed, *as most players seem to not know about Tarrasch's axiom*, one of my dirty tricks has been to look for these positions, when my adversary think he -one exchange up- is better, but I -one exchange down- usually know better.

In this position, both Black bishops seem to have excellent prospects and, should my dark bishop be already at g7, I'd be sure that Black has winning prospects.

But it's White turn to move, and...

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Ng4 Bb5 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc6+ Bd7 Bxa8 Nxe3 fxe3 Qxa8 Qd4

It's only now that I'm ready to concede that White is better, much better in fact! Black has to choose between three terrible moves, as e7-e5 or f7-f6 spoil the -formerly bright- future of his dark colored bishop, while Rh8-g8 leaves his king in the centre forever.

(not that 12.Qd4! is the only move, 12.Nd5 Qb8 13.Qd4! is strong as well. In any case, the verdict is always the same: as horrible a blunder as 6...Ng4? looks, White gets a clear advantage *just because one tempo*, so sharp chess often is).

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O

An interesting idea, if only because I have some sorrow memories of that.

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 Ne6+


And, naturally, Black resigns. This was Giorgi-Escobar, Buenos Aires (Club tournament) 1976. Please not make it into a "famous game"! It was the only game I lost at that tournament- and the only game my adversary won! In fact I finished 1st, my adversary finished last :)

It's true that i was playing the game after a (memorable) night without sleeping, so I was not precisely awake while playing. But the position is not as easy to play with Black, otherwise I would be able to outplay my adversary anyway. I'm sure that this blunder 10...Nd7?? has been played by other people as well- alas even now I find difficult to renounce to such a natural move...

As you see, both moves I suggest in this position
(10...Nc6!? that sacrifices a pawn, 10...e6!? that sacrifices the square d6) are not trivial.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 e6


This seems to weaken square d6, but this is of little significance as Black has absolute control over dark colored squares due to his powerful bishop.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 e6 Bc4 Qe7 Ndb5


Now trying to emphasize that d6 is weak, but also this is a risible threat.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc6 Ba6 Bxa8 Bxf1 Qxf1 Qxa8

Black is a pawn down but this is of no importance in this position. Indeed, Black has "threatening" 15...Bxc3 16.bxc3 Qxe4 or (even!) 16...Kg7 when White, if any, has to play accurately not to going into serious trouble. Remember that pawn weaknesses are particularly serious when there are rooks.

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Yugi Inving    (1280)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 g6 Bd3 Bg7 Bd2 O-O O-O a6 Re1 Nb4 a3


Chasing black out of the way, making them exchange and then profite from doubled pawn to push e4
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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Wilhelm Schuett    (1800)
Nh3

1/Played by French amateur chess player Charles Amar in the 1930s, this opening is also known as the Drunken Knight Opening, or the Ammonia Opening (NH3 is the chemical formula of the ammonia).

There is no particular interest in choosing to play NH3, and it is therefore considered as an irregular opening. It prepares for kingside castling, but so would NF3...


2/Here is the "Sodium Attack", an very rarely opening played in profssional tournaments,the interest of this
Non-orthodoxe opening,is to control cells g5
and f4 in One also move... to prépare the attack on column f, with bishop on c1 at thé 3th.move, and to prépare the casting, so of course!

Paul,Emma& Sandra Brand-Lyard. 2021/07/24th.


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Contributors : Benjamin Block, Normajean Yates, Florian Cafiero, PaulSandra Brand-Lyard
aka "The Sandra Lyard13061975-03081997 Inventor
Chess variants Annapurna' séries., Wilhelm Schuett


Yugi Inving    (1280)
e4 f5 exf5 Kf7 Qh5+ g6


Will you try Kf6?, if yes then the king will take the place of you knight which really not got for your developpement, sure you give away a second pawn by this.
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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Yugi Inving    (1280)
e4 f5 exf5 Kf7 Qh5+ g6 fxg6+ Kg7 Bd3


White is trying to give all the attacke they can give to the ennemy king.
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Contributors : Yugi Inving


Terry Godat    (2088)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 d5 exd5 Bd6 d4 Nh5 O-O O-O Rxf4



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Contributors : Terry Godat
I'm involved in a thematic King's Gambit tournament and came across this game (Boehme-Whitman) during my research. I'm astonished that no one ever considered this move before. Rybka considers this move to be at least as good as 10.Nxg4, which is known to be good for Black after 10...Qxh4 11.Nh2 Ng3!


Sebastian Boehme    (1836)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 g4 h6 Qd2 b4

A direct attempt by black, asking for trouble.

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Contributors : Sebastian Boehme


Kevin King    (0969)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6

This position is the Semi-Slav Defence by Black.
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Contributors : Mladen Jankovic, Kevin King


Julien Coll    (1879)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Ndb5 Qb8 Be3 a6 Bb6 axb5 Nxb5 Bb4+ c3 Ba5 Nc7+ Qxc7 Bxc7 Bxc7 Qg4 Be5

And Black seem to be OK.

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Contributors : Julien Coll


Premraj Natarajan    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 dxe5

This one is a transposition move so it can be achieved even after playing h6 and divert white's bishop.

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Contributors : Premraj Natarajan


Premraj Natarajan    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 dxe5 fxe5

This is the obvious and main continuation for white.

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Contributors : Premraj Natarajan


Wilhelm Schuett    (1800)
a4

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Contributors : Benjamin Block, Ruddy Franco, Kostis Megalios, Paul Brand Lyard

This opening is the Ware" opening A4
Mr. Ware, US champion in his time, had
won very much games in tournaments with his
rarely,amazing opening....
What do you play after one a opening a4?
Best move isn' t it to play pawn e5 for blacks?
Blacks to play.

Nota bene

Mr.Paul-emmanuel Brand FRA, Aka
"The Sandra LyardVers13061975",
Inventor Annapurna' chess séries variants said
about this Non- orthodoxe, rarely uses in tournaments by players,afer a long time to try and studied this,that was a precious opening because she can create an big surprise attack on column A,for the oponnent after only twelve moves....

Thé " Meadow Hay" Ware opening' is most strongest than WE believe...2021 July 20th.
Paul,Emma&Sandra Brand-Lyard., Wilhelm Schuett


Martin Zeman    (2065)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3

Transpose to wikichess #8668#

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 d6

Transpose to wikichess #304#

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Guillaume Moya    (1635)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6

Removing the Nxc6 threat, attacking three times the d4 knight and hitting f2 square.

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Contributors : Guillaume Moya


Normajean Yates    (1946)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6

this seems to equalise.

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Uhlmann's favourite.

Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck, Normajean Yates


Normajean Yates    (1946)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3

This allows black to equalise by Be6. Is there an improvement?
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Contributors : Normajean Yates


Sophie Leclerc    (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 Ne7

This move is simple too. Ne7 take control of both d5 and f5 sqaure, it also control g6 square which just save from a little Qh5+

As for, Qh5+ g6, The queen is attacked, and you lose the knight

Refuting this is not an easy task. And blakc does have well hidden compensation for the pawn. this opening is gived the rating as the halloween gambit.

Black can not come up with many plans, depending where the knight woulg go, Nf3 just mean you have lost a tempo, Nd3 prevent d4, and Nc4 will cause black to play d5 right away, since they don't want a knight on e3.

the f6 pawn can serve later, in attack, with the moves, g5, -h5 g4- h4.

Black has a little initiative, he must not lose to win the game.

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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 Ne7 Qh5+ g6 Bc4 Bg7 Bf7+ Kf8 Qf3 fxe5 Bxg6+ Nf5 Bxf5

Treatning another discovery check, on d7 then exange the white bishop for black's. White lack developpement, But Nc3, d3, and Be3 are played faster then excepted. White is up two pawn now.

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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Normajean Yates    (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 fxe5 Qh5 Ke7 Qxe5 Kf7 Bc4 d5 Bxd5+ Kg6 h4 h5 Bxb7 Bd6 Qa5 Nc6 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxa7

and white is five pawns up. +-. Alternatively, white can continue development, remaining four pawns ahead.

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Contributors : Normajean Yates


Normajean Yates    (1946)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3

Yet another attempt in Najdorf, these lines are more solid than the Poison Pawn ones after 7. f4 Qb6 8. Qd2.

But Qf3 seems to allow black to equalise by h6.

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Contributors : Sebastian Boehme, Normajean Yates


Tano-Urayoán Russi Román    (1944)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 e4 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Bg2 Nd6 Be3 Na6 Nc3 Rb8

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Contributors : Normajean Yates, Tano-Urayoán Russi Román

Rb8 was played in once and black achieved a draw. Here white continued a4 but I believe black will have problems after Nf3 all black pieces are awkward placed.


Sophie Leclerc    (1242)
e4 e5 f4 f6 fxe5 Nc6 exf6 Nxf6

Black has now the lead in developpement.

We need to see if he has enough compensation for the pawn he gave up.

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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4 d3 Nd6 fxg6 hxg6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Nf5 Nf3 d6


This move help black to finished their developpement and to find an attack since they are behind in both material and developpement.


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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4 d3 Nd6 fxg6 hxg6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Nf5 Nf3 d6 Bd2 Bg7 h4 Qd7 Qe2 Ncd4 Qd1 Qe6+ Kf1 Qf7


The queen take a fine semi-open file.

This prevent Nxd4 as the move in question will cost white a rook.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4 d3 Nd6 fxg6 hxg6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Nf5 Nf3 d6 Bd2 Bg7 h4 Qd7 Qe2 Ncd4 Qd1 Qe6+ Kf1 Qf7 Nxd4 Ng3+ Kg1 Bxd4 Qf3 Nxh1 Qxf7+ Kxf7 Bxh1 c6


This block both the great diagonal, the bishop and white's knight from causing queen side problem.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sandor Porkolab    (1476)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 b6

An interesting sideline (instead of the Mainline 3...c5) Black intention with b6 move is to change the light square bishops - by playing ...Ba6 later on - removing an active piece from the table.

Notable games:
GM Ulibin - GM Rustemov 2004 0-1
GM Ganguy - GM Berkes 2002 1/2-1/2
GM Ye Jiangchuan - GM Ivanchuk 2001 1/2-1/2
GM Khalifman - GM N. Short 2001 0-1
GM Baklan - GM Vaganian 1999 0-1
GM Shabalov - GM Seirawan 1999 0-1


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Contributors : Sandor Porkolab


Sandor Porkolab    (1476)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 b6 c3 Qd7 Nf3 Ne7 Bd3 Ba6

6...Ba6 Here is the meaning of the earlier 4...b6 move - giving way to the c8 Bishop to a6 to go for the Bishop exchange. It is a good plan for black to remove the light square Bishops from the table - deactivating an active white bishop for a passive black bishop.

Options for white:

A, 7.0-0 castling

B, 7.Bxa6 go for the Bishop exchange

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Contributors : Sandor Porkolab


Sandor Porkolab    (1476)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 b6 c3 Qd7 Nf3 Ne7 Bd3 Ba6 Bxa6 Nxa6

7.Nxa6 - the white square bishops removed from the table. Now black having a safe/defendable position.

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Contributors : Sandor Porkolab


Sandor Porkolab    (1476)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 b6 c3 Qd7 Nf3 Ba6

5...Ba6 not the best move here. The f1 white Bishop not moved yet - white can capture directly the a6 Bishop and losing a potential tempo. Black move ...Ba6 should commence only after the f1 Bishop moved to e2 or d3.

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Contributors : Sandor Porkolab


Normajean Yates    (1975)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Na6 e3 Bg4 Bxc4 e6 h3 Bh5 O-O Nb4 Qe2 Be7 Rd1 O-O g4 Bg6 e4

a forced loss of tempo...

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Contributors : Normajean Yates


Normajean Yates    (1975)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Na6 e3 Bg4 Bxc4 e6 h3 Bh5 O-O Nb4 Qe2 Be7 Rd1 O-O g4 Bg6 e4 Nd7

Black is at least equal, and white's c1-Bishop is still hemmed in. All because of the weak 6.e3 in this line.
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Contributors : Normajean Yates


Telmo Escobar    (1929)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Qxa2 Rd1 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Ra7 Bd3

Forget this line, it was a typo. The intended line was 19.Rf3 Rd7 and only then 20.Bd3- yet this stupid system apparently doesn´t allow me to delete this useless line
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Telmo Escobar    (1929)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Qxa2 Rd1 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Ra7 Rf3 Rd7 Bd3 f5 Qh6 Kh8 Ng5 Bc5+ Kh1 Qa5 Rh3 Qc7 Nxe6 Qd6 Nxf8 Qxf8 Rf1 Rf7 Qh5 Qe7

Typical Anand, this is in practice a strong move, as now 29.Bxf5 meets the sardonic 29...e4! with an unsavory pin. White could anyway enter that line, as 30.Rb3 with the idea of R3-b1 seems to be OK. In time trouble, Grischuk couldn´t possibly see that escape.

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Contributors : Telmo Escobar


Sophie Leclerc    (1525)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 Be2 e5 fxe6 d5

Does black is lost here, he does not seem to have compensation.


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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1573)
f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c4 Nf6 Nc3

This opening can be call the phantom system, as it can not virtually die and if black is not carefull, white will be tired and can build faster then you can think a big pawn center.

No joke, the pawn center must not happen.


If white continue in a hyper-modern style, he will want to fianchetto his bishops.

From Yugi_inving.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Normajean Yates    (1967)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 a3

White sets a little trap. It is specially recommended against players who merely memorise 'book' lines: such players (as black) might play Qxb2? thinking it is the 'book' poisoned pawn variation; and Even if they do not, they are out of their 'book' :)

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Contributors : Ray Downs, Normajean Yates


Sophie Leclerc    (1573)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4


Trying to remove the guard on e4
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1573)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4 Bc4 Bxc3


Now the guardian of e4 is removed and black treat Qxe4 check, killing the attack
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Sophie Leclerc    (1573)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Bh4+ Kf1

By far the best move, as the bishop is attacked, black has to spend another tiempo to developpe the king knight.

While with g3, white take enerous risk for nothing.

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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc


Lauri Lahnasalo    (1600)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 Nc2

This is good spot for white knight. One could look at the position as being sicilian defence reversed where "black" had played "Nf6" after "Nc3". Of course in reversed positiont white always has extra tempo.

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Contributors : Lauri Lahnasalo


Alex Savu    (1350)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nge7

Zilbermints variation. Black aims to post the knight at g6 and recapture the pawn on e5. Not as bad as it might seem. White has tried a number of different moves at this point.

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Contributors : Alex Savu


Luc-Olivier Leclerc    (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4

Curions opening, a curious gambit, in which white attack black's centre,

Black has no reason to accept it, but he can just take b4 and not on a3.

This^ opening should called the AudreySophie gambit. Or by my name, if your prefer to be not imaginative...
For now, black does not seem to have any way to bust it. And white trie for a big play everyside of the board.

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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc


Luc-Olivier Leclerc    (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 b6 g3 Bb7 bxc5 bxc5 Bg2 e6 Na3 Qf6 Rb1 Be4 d3 Bc6 Ne5

Black developpement is so slow, mate would be possible whitout the knight on b8 and the bishop by Qa4 and Qd7, hoverer, we need this move.
Black is gone by now, as, he need to do Bd7, giving up his rook, to live.
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc


Luc-Olivier Leclerc    (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 Nf6 bxc5 e6 Ba3 Nc6 g3 Qa5

A correct move, Who only reason is to recover the pawn and gsin better developpement.

White will look bad if he do nothing about it.

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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc


Luc-Olivier Leclerc    (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 Nf6 bxc5 e6 Ba3 Nc6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Bxc5 Qb5

A correct decision... when white lack in developpement, he exchange piece, but he make black, pay the price of those exchange. Whitout that, white would fall behind for the entire game.

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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc


Luc-Olivier Leclerc    (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 Bb2 Nc6 axb4 Bxb4 e3 e5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxd4

Thye only good move, as the knight is pinned on the g7-pawn, moving it, cost a rook. so, basicly, black lost a pawn, but retain some compensation.


Maybe not all of them.

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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc


Gregory Kohut    (1592)
Nc3 d5 d4 Nf6 e4

The start of Blackmar Diemer Gambit.

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Contributors : June Lorena


Gregory Kohut    (1592)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 c6

Semi-Slav Defence
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Contributors : James Breeden, Kostis Megalios


Gregory Kohut    (1592)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 f3

The Blackmar Diemer Gambit (BDG).
With intention of rapid development and to open-up f-file.

If the gambitted pawn is accepted (it is usually does) there are two ways to recapture it.

Nxf3 - The Blackmar Diemer Gambit Setup
Qxf3 - The Ryder Gambit Setup

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Contributors : June Lorena


William Taylor    (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3

The line which is currently causing Arkhangelsk practitioners some problems. Black can quickly run into trouble after Bc5, so he usually plays Be7 instead, leading to less active positions. d3 also strongpoints e4, making black's bishop on b7 look less than optimally placed. The d3 line is a good way of avoiding the sharper variations which arise after Re1 or c3.

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Contributors : William Taylor


William Taylor    (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 c3

Simply planning to expand in the centre with d4, which will come with a tempo because the black bishop on c5 will be attacked.

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Contributors : William Taylor


William Taylor    (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Bg5

One of the main moves, the other being Be3. This pin can be extremely annoying for black, but it seems like he has found a strong antidote in this instance.

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Contributors : William Taylor


William Taylor    (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 c3

If there is a way to refute the Arkhangelsk Variation by force, it will probably start with c3. The move can lead to wild complications, but black currently seems to be holding his own in them. The point is to accelerate the plan of d4 without bothering to defend e4, arguing that capturing on e4 will be dangerous for black as his king is still in the centre.
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Contributors : William Taylor


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3 g6 Nf3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O a3 Bxc3

Transpose to wikichess #10039#

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 e5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Florian Cafiero    (1519)
Nh3 d5 g3 e5 f4 Bxh3 Bxh3 exf4

End of the Paris Gambit, considered extremely dubious for the white, as it gives up both position and material.


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Contributors : Paul Valle, Florian Cafiero


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 Bd6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5 Ra1

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 Bd6 e3 O-O

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 Bd6 e3 O-O Bd3 h6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 Bd6 e3 O-O Bd3 h6 Bh4 Re8

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O d6 Rd1

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 e5 Nh6 Bd3

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 e5 Nh6 Bd3 c5 c3

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5 Ra1 Rfc8 f4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb4 d4 Qxd4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb4 d4 Qxd4 Qe2 c6

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb4 d4 Qxd4 Qe2 c6 a3 N4a6

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 e5 Nh6 Bd3 c5 c3 Nc6 Ne2

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O g6

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb4 d4 Qxd4 Qe2 c6 a3 N4a6 Nf3 Qd8

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb4 d4 Qxd4 Qe2 c6 a3 N4a6 Nf3 Qd8 Bf4 Nd7

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 e5 Nh6 Bd3 c5 c3 Nc6 Ne2 cxd4 cxd4

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nbd2 Nh5 Bg3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5

Transpose to wikichess #10984#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nbd2 Nh5 Bg3 Be7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8 Nd5 Bxd5

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nbd2 Nh5 Bg3 Be7 Bd3 Nxg3 hxg3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nbd2 Nh5 Bg3 Be7 Bd3 Nxg3 hxg3 h6 c3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3 Rc8 Nc3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Nf6

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Nf6 Rd3 O-O

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Nf6 Rd3 O-O Bh3 Rc4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Nf6 Rd3 O-O Bh3 Rc4 f3 Qc7

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6 Qe2 c6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 e5 Nh6 Bd3 c5 c3 Nc6 Ne2 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 O-O

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nf3 g6 Ne5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6 Qe2 c6 Nf3 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nf3 g6 Ne5 Bg7 f4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nf3 g6 Ne5 Bg7 f4 c6 e3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nf3 g6 Ne5 Bg7 f4 c6 e3 Nd7 g4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3 Rc8 Nc3 Rc6 Qe2

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Ng4 Kb1 Nd7 g3 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qb6 Qe2 Rc8 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Nf6 Rd3 O-O Bh3 Rc4 f3 Qc7 Rc1 Rd8

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5 Bxd6 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e5 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5 Bxd6 Nc3 Bb8 Nd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5 Bxd6 Nc3 Bb8 Nd2 Bb7 Bxb7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5 Bxd6 Nc3 Bb8 Nd2 Bb7 Bxb7 Rxb7 Nc4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3 e6 Bf4

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3 e6 Bf4 Nc6 e3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3 Rc8 Nc3 Rc6 Qe2 Rg6 Bd2

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bd6 exd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3 e6 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Nh5 Be5

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3 e6 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Nh5 Be5 d6 Bg3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3 e6 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Nh5 Be5 d6 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 c3 e6 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Nh5 Be5 d6 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3 d5 Bd3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5 Bxd6 Nc3 Bb8 Nd2 Bb7 Bxb7 Rxb7 Nc4 Bc7 Bg5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nc6

Transpose to wikichess #618#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3 Rc8 Nc3 Rc6 Qe2 Rg6 Bd2 Qb8 O-O

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e5 d3 Nge7 Rb1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6 Qe2 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Bg2 d6 e4 Nbd7 Nf3 Be7 e5 dxe5 d6 Bf8 O-O Rb8 a4 Rb6 axb5 Bxd6 Nc3 Bb8 Nd2 Bb7 Bxb7 Rxb7 Nc4 Bc7 Bg5 O-O Ra6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4

Transpose to wikichess #11002#

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 c3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 c3 Bd6 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O g3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3 Rc8 Nc3 Rc6 Qe2 Rg6 Bd2 Qb8 O-O Qb7 f3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Qf3 Be7 Bxc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd7 Qf3 O-O d3 Ng4 Nh3 Rc8 Nc3 Rc6 Qe2 Rg6 Bd2 Qb8 O-O Qb7 f3 Ne3 Qxe3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bd6 exd5 cxd5 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 c3 Bd6 Nbd2 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e5 d3 Nge7 Rb1 a6 a4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7 Bf2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 b5 Nxb5

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 b5 Nxb5 h6 Nh3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 b5 Nxb5 h6 Nh3 c6 Nc3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 b5 Nxb5 h6 Nh3 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 b5 Nxb5 h6 Nh3 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 e3

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e5 d3 Nge7 Rb1 a6 a4 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 c3 Bd6 Nbd2 O-O O-O Be6 Re1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 O-O O-O-O h6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bd6 exd5 cxd5 O-O Nc6 Re1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O g3 d5 cxd5

============

Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7 Bf2 Nc6 O-O Ne5

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7 Bf2 Nc6 O-O Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7 Bf2 Nc6 O-O Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Rc8

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 O-O O-O-O h6 Bh4 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 Be2 h5 Bxg4 Bxg4 f3 Bd7 Bf2 Nc6 O-O Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Rc8 Bd4 Qd7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bd6 exd5 cxd5 O-O Nc6 Re1 O-O Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 h4 Ng3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 h4 Ng3 Rg1 Nxf1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 h4 Ng3 Rg1 Nxf1 Rdxf1 a5

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 h4 Ng3 Rg1 Nxf1 Rdxf1 a5 Qd3 a4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 h4 Ng3 Rg1 Nxf1 Rdxf1 a5 Qd3 a4 Nd2 f5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7 Bd3 Nd7

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3 d5 cxd5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3 d5 cxd5 cxd4 Qa4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3 d5 cxd5 cxd4 Qa4 Nbd7 Qxd4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 h6 Bd3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3 d5 cxd5 cxd4 Qa4 Nbd7 Qxd4 Qb6 Qd1

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3 d5 cxd5 cxd4 Qa4 Nbd7 Qxd4 Qb6 Qd1 g6 Nc3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 e3 d5 cxd5 cxd4 Qa4 Nbd7 Qxd4 Qb6 Qd1 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 fxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxe5 Na3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 fxe6 fxe6 g4 h6

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 cxd5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nc3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nc3 Nb6 Nf3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nc7 Bxc6

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 fxe6 fxe6 g4 h6 Qh3 e5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Be3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Be3 Bb7 f3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxe5 Na3 Nxc4 Nxc4

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 h6 Bd3 c5 dxc5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 fxe6 fxe6 g4 h6 Qh3 e5 Nf5 Bxf5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7 Bd3 Nd7 Ng5 Nf8

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 h6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 exd5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxe5 Na3 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bd7 Ne3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 h6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 exd5 exd5 Nb3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nf5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nc7 Bxc6 dxc6 h3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6 Rxa8 Bxa8

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 h6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 exd5 exd5 Nb3 Bd6 Nf3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5 h6 Bh4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qa1 exd5

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Contributors : George Clement


Martin Zeman    (2065)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5 Ra1 Rfc8 f4 h6 Nf3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Ne7 Ne3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2 h6 Qd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qa1 exd5 exd5 f6

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 h6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 exd5 exd5 Nb3 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Be3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nf5 d5 Ng3

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Ne7 Ne3 Bxf3 gxf3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c5 d5 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7 Bd3 Nd7 Ng5 Nf8 O-O h6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qa1 exd5 exd5 f6 dxc6 Bxc6

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 fxe6 fxe6 g4 h6 Qh3 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 gxf5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxe5 Na3 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bd7 Ne3 Nf6 Rb4

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Ne7 Ne3 Bxf3 gxf3 g5 Bg3

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Ne7 Ne3 Bxf3 gxf3 g5 Bg3 Kf7 axb5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nf5 d5 Ng3 Nc6 e4

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qa1 exd5 exd5 f6 dxc6 Bxc6 Re1 Ne7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 Bg4 c3 c5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 fxe5 Na3 b5 Nc2 Bd6 a4 Rb8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Ne7 Ne3 Bxf3 gxf3 g5 Bg3 Kf7 axb5 axb5 h4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Na5 c3 a6 Be2 e6 O-O b5 d4 cxd4 a4 dxc3 axb5 cxb2 Bxb2 axb5 Nc3 Ba6 Bxb5 Bb7 Nd5 Nc6 Rxa8 Bxa8 Qa1 exd5 exd5 f6 dxc6 Bxc6 Re1 Ne7 Bxc6 dxc6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 O-O

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 O-O Bxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c5 d5 Qc7 Nb3 Nb6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O f4 a6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c5 d5 Qc7 Nb3 Nb6 Na5 Bc8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2 h6 Qd2 Qe7 Rfd1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3 c5 Rd1

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O f4 a6 Nd6 cxd4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nf5 d5 Ng3 Nc6 e4 dxe4 Qxd8

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3 c5 Rd1 Rac8 Qe2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c5 d5 Qc7 Nb3 Nb6 Na5 Bc8 Bc1 Bd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2 h6 Qd2 Qe7 Rfd1 Ng5 Nxg5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3 c5 Rd1 Rac8 Qe2 cxd4 Bxd4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2 h6 Qd2 Qe7 Rfd1 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 a4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3 c5 Rd1 Rac8 Qe2 cxd4 Bxd4 Qa5 Kf2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3 c5 Rd1 Rac8 Qe2 cxd4 Bxd4 Qa5 Kf2 Nd5 g3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2 h6 Qd2 Qe7 Rfd1 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 a4 Be6 a5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6 Rh3 Nc6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3 Nf6 Ne5 O-O f3 c5 Rd1 Rac8 Qe2 cxd4 Bxd4 Qa5 Kf2 Nd5 g3 Rfd8 Rc1

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Re8

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 a6 a3 Nd4 Nh4 Ba7 e3 Ne6 Nf3 Re8 b4 c6 Bb2 h6 Qd2 Qe7 Rfd1 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 a4 Be6 a5 Qd7 Na4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Be6 d5

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Contributors : George Clement


David Grosdemange    (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nf5 d5 Ng3 Nc6 e4 dxe4 Qxd8 Kxd8 Bg5

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Contributors : David Grosdemange


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6 Rh3 Nc6 h5 Rg8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Be6 d5 Bd7 Nf1

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxe5 Na3 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bd7 Ne3 Nf6 Rb4 Bc6 Nf5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 Be2 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 fxe6 fxe6 g4 h6 Qh3 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 gxf5 Nbd7 O-O Rf8

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6 Rh3 Nc6 h5 Rg8 Nd3 Rac8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Be6 d5 Bd7 Nf1 Rfc8 Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Be6 d5 Bd7 Nf1 Rfc8 Bd3 Nb7 Be3

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2372)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 d6 a4 Kh8 a5 a6 c3 Ng8 d4 f5 dxe5 fxe4 Rxe4 Rxf3 gxf3 Nxe5 Na3 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bd7 Ne3 Nf6 Rb4 Bc6 Nf5 Qe8 Ng3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O Be7

Transpose to wikichess #12240#

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Be6 d5 Bd7 Nf1 Rfc8 Bd3 Nb7 Be3 Nc5 Rc1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Be6 d5 Bd7 Nf1 Rfc8 Bd3 Nb7 Be3 Nc5 Rc1 Qb8 Bxc5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2 Nd7 e5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2 Nd7 e5 dxe5 Ne4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2 Nd7 e5 dxe5 Ne4 exf4 Bxf4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2 Nd7 e5 dxe5 Ne4 exf4 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2 Nd7 e5 dxe5 Ne4 exf4 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd6 Re7 Rad1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd3 O-O O-O c6 f4 Bd4 Kh1 d6 Qf3 Re8 Bd2 Nd7 e5 dxe5 Ne4 exf4 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd6 Re7 Rad1 Be6 Bxh7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 Bd3 Nh5 g3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 Bd3 Nh5 g3 Nhf6 a4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 Bd3 Nh5 g3 Nhf6 a4 Qc7 Qc2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7 a5 Qxd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7 a5 Qxd3 Bxd3 Nc4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7 a5 Qxd3 Bxd3 Nc4 a6 O-O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7 a5 Qxd3 Bxd3 Nc4 a6 O-O-O axb7 Kxb7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7 a5 Qxd3 Bxd3 Nc4 a6 O-O-O axb7 Kxb7 Bf1 a5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d4 cxd3 Qxd3 h6 a4 Bc7 a5 Qxd3 Bxd3 Nc4 a6 O-O-O axb7 Kxb7 Bf1 a5 b3 Nb6

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Contributors : George Clement


Riani Kiiari    (1800)
e4 h5 d4

usually blacks plan is Rh6?? and semmetry on the other side viz: ...a6 (Nf3) Ra6?? taking the rooks for bishops is not bad with the centeral contol already established by the pawns.

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Contributors : Riani Kiiari


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 e6 O-O Nc6

Transpose to wikichess #1993#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 c5 Qf4 g5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 c5 Qf4 g5 Qf3 g4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3 e6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Ng5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Ng5 h6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Ng5 h6 Nf3 Ngf6 e5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Ng5 h6 Nf3 Ngf6 e5 Ng8 g4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Ng5 h6 Nf3 Ngf6 e5 Ng8 g4 Ne7 g5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Bf5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Bf5 Bg2 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 O-O

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Bf5 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 Nc6 g3 e5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Bf5 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Bf5 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 d3 O-O Nd2 Qd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Bd3 Nd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Bf5 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 d3 O-O Nd2 Qd7 O-O Bh3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Bd3 Nd7 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 O-O b6 e5

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4

Transpose to wikichess #6711#

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Bd3 Nd7 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Bg5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Bd3 Nd7 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Bg5 Be7 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4

Transpose to wikichess #10987#

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6 Bxc6 Bxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1386)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Bd3 Nd7 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Bg5 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Ne5 Bd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 Nxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6 Rxc6 O-O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6 Rxc6 O-O-O e6 Ne4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O O-O Qe1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1 Nh5 Bxe7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1 Nh5 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4 Nf5 Bxf5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O Nge7

============

Contributors : Jeremy Banta


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O O-O Qe1 Bd7 fxe5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6 Rxc6 O-O-O e6 Ne4 Be7 g3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1 Nh5 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxe1 Nxe1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 O-O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4 Nxe4 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O O-O Qe1 Bd7 fxe5 dxe5 Qg3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1 Nh5 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxe1 Nxe1 Nf4 g3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 O-O-O c4 Nh5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 g3

Transpose to wikichess #4233#

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6 Rxc6 O-O-O e6 Ne4 Be7 g3 f5 Ned2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1 Nh5 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxe1 Nxe1 Nf4 g3 Nh3 Kg2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 O-O-O c4 Nh5 a3 Rhg8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O O-O Qe1 Bd7 fxe5 dxe5 Qg3 Qe8 Be3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6 Rxc6 O-O-O e6 Ne4 Be7 g3 f5 Ned2 e5 h4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Nxd7 Nf3 Rc8 Be3 c6 dxc6 Rxc6 O-O-O e6 Ne4 Be7 g3 f5 Ned2 e5 h4 h5 Nb3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Qc2 d6 Nf3 e5 Bg5 Nbd7 e3 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 exd4 exd4 O-O O-O Re8 Rfe1 Nf8 Bd1 Nh5 Bxe7 Rxe7 d5 Rxe1 Nxe1 Nf4 g3 Nh3 Kg2 Bc8 Qd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 O-O-O c4 Nh5 a3 Rhg8 Be4 Nf4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 O-O f3 a5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O O-O Qe1 Bd7 fxe5 dxe5 Qg3 Qe8 Be3 b6 Rf2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 a6 Bd3 e6 b3 Nc6 O-O Qc7 Bb2 d6 Ne2 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Ng3 e5 c3 h5 h3 h4 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 O-O-O c4 Nh5 a3 Rhg8 Be4 Nf4 d3 g6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O Ne4 Qe1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 e4 e5 d5 Ne7 Nh4 h6 f4 Ng6 Nxg6 fxg6 O-O O-O Qe1 Bd7 fxe5 dxe5 Qg3 Qe8 Be3 b6 Rf2 g5 a4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O Ne4 Qe1 Qc5 Kh1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 Re1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 O-O f3 a5 Qc2 Rf7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O Ne4 Qe1 Qc5 Kh1 Qd4 Bf3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 O-O f3 a5 Qc2 Rf7 Bf2 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O Ne4 Qe1 Qc5 Kh1 Qd4 Bf3 Qxa1 Qxe4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3 Kg8 exd6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 Re1 O-O Nc3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d6 c3 g6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 e5 Be3 f5 Nd2 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 O-O f3 a5 Qc2 Rf7 Bf2 Qc7 Rad1 g5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O Ne4 Qe1 Qc5 Kh1 Qd4 Bf3 Qxa1 Qxe4 Bb7 Qc2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3 Kg8 exd6 Qf6 Ng6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 Re1 O-O Nc3 d6 a3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Be2 dxe5 O-O Ne4 Qe1 Qc5 Kh1 Qd4 Bf3 Qxa1 Qxe4 Bb7 Qc2 Bc5 Bb2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3 Kg8 exd6 Qf6 Ng6 Na6 Be3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3 Kg8 exd6 Qf6 Ng6 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qe4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 Nxc6 bxc6 d3 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3 Kg8 exd6 Qf6 Ng6 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qe4 Qxd6 a3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 Nxc6 bxc6 d3 Qc7 Bxf6 gxf6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 dxe5 Bc5 Bc4 Nxf2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Kg6 Qxc5 Nxh1 Nc3 h6 Nd5 d6 Qc4 c6 Nf4 Kh7 Qd3 Kg8 exd6 Qf6 Ng6 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qe4 Qxd6 a3 Nxc2 Qxc2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3

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Contributors : George Clement


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O Nge7 Re1 b6

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Contributors : Jeremy Banta


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 Re1 O-O Nc3 d6 a3 Qd7 h3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5 Bd3 Bg6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5 Bd3 Bg6 Bd2 Be7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5 Bd3 Bg6 Bd2 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5 Bd3 Bg6 Bd2 Be7 O-O O-O Rac1 Rc8

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5 Bd3 Bg6 Bd2 Be7 O-O O-O Rac1 Rc8 Qh3 Nf6

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7 Nd4 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7 Nd4 O-O Qh5 Ne5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7 Nd4 O-O Qh5 Ne5 Nce2 b5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7 Nd4 O-O Qh5 Ne5 Nce2 b5 Nf3 Qc5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7 Nd4 O-O Qh5 Ne5 Nce2 b5 Nf3 Qc5 Nxe5 Qxe3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2159)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bc4 Nxe3 fxe3 Nd7 O-O Ne5 Bb3 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe2 Be7 Rad1 Qc7 Nd4 O-O Qh5 Ne5 Nce2 b5 Nf3 Qc5 Nxe5 Qxe3 Kh1 dxe5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8

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Contributors : George Clement


Jeremy Banta    (1715)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O Nge7 Re1 b6 c3 O-O

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Contributors : Jeremy Banta


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2

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Contributors : George Clement


Clément Lelièvre    (1408)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1408)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 f6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1408)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 Nh6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1408)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 Nh6 d4 Bb4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Nd5 Nbd7 c4 Bg4 Qg3 Nxd5 cxd5 Bh5 Bd3 Bg6 Bd2 Be7 O-O O-O Rac1 Rc8 Qh3 Nf6 Qe3 Rxc1

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Contributors : George Clement


Clément Lelièvre    (1408)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 Nh6 d4 Bb4 Nc3 Bg4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1408)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 Nh6 d4 Bb4 Nc3 Bg4 O-O Bxf3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1417)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1417)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 f5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1417)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 f5 d3 Bb4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1417)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 f5 d3 Bb4 c3 d6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1417)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 f5 d3 Bb4 c3 d6 Nxc6 Qd7

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bd7 Bg5 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bd7 Bg5 e6 Qd2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bd7 Bg5 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4 Kf1 Qa5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4 Kf1 Qa5 Nb5 Qxd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4 Kf1 Qa5 Nb5 Qxd2 Bxd2 Kd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2212)
b3 d5 Bb2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4 Kf1 Qa5 Nb5 Qxd2 Bxd2 Kd8 Rb1 axb3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5 Ne4 Qc7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 Be2 Be7

Transpose to wikichess #13609#

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Nc6 Nf3 Nb6 Qd2 h6 Be3 a5 Rh3 a4 Rg3 Bf8 b3 Bd7 h5 Qe7 Bd3 Qb4 Kf1 Qa5 Nb5 Qxd2 Bxd2 Kd8 Rb1 axb3 axb3 Be8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bd7 Bg5 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O Qe1 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5 Ne4 Qc7 dxc5 Bxc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1 Qe6 d3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5 Ne4 Qc7 dxc5 Bxc5 f4 Rac8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 d3 d5 Qe2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1 Qe6 d3 O-O-O Bg5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5 Ne4 Qc7 dxc5 Bxc5 f4 Rac8 Nxf6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5 Ne4 Qc7 dxc5 Bxc5 f4 Rac8 Nxf6 Nxf6 Rfd1 h6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O b3 Nbd7 Bb2 a6 Rc1 Re8 Qc2 dxc4 bxc4 Bxf3 gxf3 c5 Ne4 Qc7 dxc5 Bxc5 f4 Rac8 Nxf6 Nxf6 Rfd1 h6 Be5 Qe7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1 Qe6 d3 O-O-O Bg5 f6 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 d3 d5 Qe2 g6 g3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2242)
Nf3 c5 b3 d5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O e6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 Nxc6 bxc6 d3 Qc7 Bxf6 gxf6 Qh5 Qa5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1 Qe6 d3 O-O-O Bg5 f6 Be3 g5 Rd1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1 Qe6 d3 O-O-O Bg5 f6 Be3 g5 Rd1 f5 exf5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qc8 Rh1 h5 Qg1 Qe6 d3 O-O-O Bg5 f6 Be3 g5 Rd1 f5 exf5 Qxf5 Nd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3

Transpose to wikichess #26766#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Valery Nemchenko    (2212)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Bf4 O-O

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2212)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nde2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2212)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nde2 Bb4 Bg2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2 Kxd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 g6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 g6 a4 c6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2 Kxd2 Qxd4 Kc2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2276)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2 Kxd2 Qxd4 Kc2 Qf2 Kb1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 c5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 Bd3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Bg5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 d3 d5 Qe2 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 c5 d3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nd2 b6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

Transpose to wikichess #24350#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nd2 b6 O-O Bb7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Bg5 Nbd7 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2 O-O-O e3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 d3 d5 Qe2 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2 O-O-O e3 Bd6 Rc1

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2 O-O-O e3 Bd6 Rc1 e5 Bc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6 Ne2 b6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bg4 Ne2 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bg4 Ne2 Be7 h3 Be6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6 Ne2 b6 O-O Bb7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bg4 Ne2 Be7 h3 Be6 O-O Qd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bg4 Ne2 Be7 h3 Be6 O-O Qd7 Kh2 h5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6 Ne2 b6 O-O Bb7 d3 Na5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2 O-O-O e3 Bd6 Rc1 e5 Bc3 Nd5 Ba5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Bxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 g6 a4 c6 Bd3 Bg7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2 O-O-O e3 Bd6 Rc1 e5 Bc3 Nd5 Ba5 Nb6 Rc2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4 axb4 Nxb4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Bxf6 gxf6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 g6 a4 c6 Bd3 Bg7 Qc2 Qc7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2212)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Bxe5 Qxe5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5 a4 Ra7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2212)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Rxe5

Transpose to wikichess #15529#

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1401)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6 Ne2 b6 O-O Bb7 d3 Na5 b4 Bxg2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd2 Kf8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 g6 a4 c6 Bd3 Bg7 Qc2 Qc7 c4 bxc4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
d4 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Qa4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bxc6 Bd7 Be3 Bxc6 Qxc6 bxc6 Bxd4 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 Kg2 O-O-O e3 Bd6 Rc1 e5 Bc3 Nd5 Ba5 Nb6 Rc2 h5 Nd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd2 Kf8 Qh3 h5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd2 Kf8 Qh3 h5 Nc4 Nc6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5 a4 Ra7 b3 Rd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Bd7 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 Be7 Be2 b5 a3 Qc7 Qg3 Rb8 Nb3 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd2 Kf8 Qh3 h5 Nc4 Nc6 f4 Na5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5 a4 Ra7 b3 Rd8 Rae1 g5

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 e3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5 a4 Ra7 b3 Rd8 Rae1 g5 Bxg7 Rxg7

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 e3 Be7 Qc2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7 Bxh8 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 O-O g6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 e3 Be7 Qc2 O-O a3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 e3 Be7 Qc2 O-O a3 Nc6 Nc3 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 O-O g6 d4 b6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7 Bxh8 f6 Bg7 Kf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 e3 Be7 Qc2 O-O a3 Nc6 Nc3 Be6 Bd3 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 O-O g6 d4 b6 Bg5 Qc7 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7 Bxh8 f6 Bg7 Kf7 e4 Kxg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 e3 Be7 Qc2 O-O a3 Nc6 Nc3 Be6 Bd3 a5 b5 Nb8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7 Bxh8 f6 Bg7 Kf7 e4 Kxg7 d4 Nh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3 Nxd4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5 a4 Ra7 b3 Rd8 Rae1 g5 Bxg7 Rxg7 Nh2 Nf4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3 Nxd4 exd4 Re8 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 O-O g6 d4 b6 Bg5 Qc7 d5 e5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7 Bxh8 f6 Bg7 Kf7 e4 Kxg7 d4 Nh6 Bd3 Qe8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 Qd2 e5 O-O Qd6 Bh6 Nh5 Ne2 f6 a3 a5 a4 Ra7 b3 Rd8 Rae1 g5 Bxg7 Rxg7 Nh2 Nf4 Ng4 Bxg4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 O-O g6 d4 b6 Bg5 Qc7 d5 e5 Nc3 f6 Bh4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Bxc6 dxc6

Transpose to wikichess #34336#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5 Nc4 Rb1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5 Nc4 Rb1 Bxc5 bxc5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Be7 Bxh8 f6 Bg7 Kf7 e4 Kxg7 d4 Nh6 Bd3 Qe8 Nh3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5 Nc4 Rb1 Bxc5 bxc5 e4 Ne1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5 Nc4 Rb1 Bxc5 bxc5 e4 Ne1 b6 Nc2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Nd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Nc5 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Nd4 Nc6 Nc2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Nd4 Nc6 Nc2 Bxc3 dxc3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxa5 dxe6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxa5 dxe6 fxe6 Bh3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxa5 dxe6 fxe6 Bh3 Qd5 Bg4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxa5 dxe6 fxe6 Bh3 Qd5 Bg4 g6 Qxb4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Qd2 Nb6 Na5 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxa5 dxe6 fxe6 Bh3 Qd5 Bg4 g6 Qxb4 Ng7 Qb3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5 Nf3 Nd7

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5 Nc4 Rb1 Bxc5 bxc5 e4 Ne1 b6 Nc2 Re8 Nb4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Be4 Bc8

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O c5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Be4 Bc8 Bg5 Ne7

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6 Rb1 f6 Ne4 Ba2 Rb2 Bd5 Nc5 Nc4 Rb1 Bxc5 bxc5 e4 Ne1 b6 Nc2 Re8 Nb4 Nxb4 axb4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O c5 d5 b4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 Rc1

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5 Nxg6 hxg6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5 Nxg6 hxg6 Qg4 Qc8

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O c5 d5 b4 Na4 Qb5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 Rc1 Rf7 Kh1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5 Nxg6 hxg6 Qg4 Qc8 Nd5 Bd8

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Contributors : George Clement


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Be4 Bc8 Bg5 Ne7 Bf6 O-O

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5 Nxg6 hxg6 Qg4 Qc8 Nd5 Bd8 Bb3 Nc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 Kb1 Qc5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 Kb1 Qc5 Nc6 g6

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bf5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bf5 d3 Nc5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bf5 d3 Nc5 Nxc6 Qe7

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bf5 d3 Nc5 Nxc6 Qe7 Nxe7 Bxe7

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 Qd7 e3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 Qd7 e3 a6 a4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 Qd7 e3 a6 a4 Nc6 b3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 Qd7 e3 a6 a4 Nc6 b3 e6 h3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1402)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 Qd7 e3 a6 a4 Nc6 b3 e6 h3 Bb4 Qd2

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 Kb1 Qc5 Nc6 g6 Qb4 Qxb4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 Kb1 Qc5 Nc6 g6 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Kd8

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5 Nxg6 hxg6 Qg4 Qc8 Nd5 Bd8 Bb3 Nc5 Rad1 Nxb3

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Contributors : George Clement


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Qc7 Na5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 Kb1 Qc5 Nc6 g6 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Kd8 a4 bxa4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 Rc1 Rf7 Kh1 Bf8 a4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O c5 d5 b4 Na4 Qb5 a3 exd5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Nh4 Nbd7 g5 Nh5 Nxg6 hxg6 Qg4 Qc8 Nd5 Bd8 Bb3 Nc5 Rad1 Nxb3 cxb3 f5

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Contributors : George Clement


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5 Nf3 Nd7 g3 Re8

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3 bxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O c5 d5 b4 Na4 Qb5 a3 exd5 axb4 cxb4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5 Bg7 Nd3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3 bxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rhe1

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #14590#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6 a4 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Be4 Bc8 Bg5 Ne7 Bf6 O-O Qe3 Rd7

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O c5 d5 b4 Na4 Qb5 a3 exd5 axb4 cxb4 Be3 Nc5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5 Bg7 Nd3 Nf6 Bd2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 Be6 Qc2 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 Be6 Qc2 Nd7 d3 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 c6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 Be6 Qc2 Nd7 d3 Ne7 Be2 Qa5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Be4 Bc8 Bg5 Ne7 Bf6 O-O Qe3 Rd7 h4 Nd5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b5 O-O Bb7 Re1 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 e5 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Qh5 g6 Qe2 Bg7 Be4 Bc8 Bg5 Ne7 Bf6 O-O Qe3 Rd7 h4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5 Bg7 Nd3 Nf6 Bd2 Ne4 Be3

Transpose to wikichess #43164#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nc3 e5 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 Rc1 Rf7 Kh1 Bf8 a4 h5 Nb5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2454)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 Rc1 Rf7 Kh1 Bf8 a4 h5 Nb5 a6 Na3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Clément Lelièvre    (1386)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 f6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1386)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 f6 O-O Bg4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1386)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 f6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1386)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 f6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Bc5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1386)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 f6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Bc5 d3 f5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3 bxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rhe1 a4 a3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Rf6 Nd3 b6 b4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3 bxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rhe1 a4 a3 Ra8 Ba2

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5 Nf3 Nd7 g3 Re8 Kg2 Ne7

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3 bxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rhe1 a4 a3 Ra8 Ba2 Na5 Kb1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Clément Lelièvre    (1392)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #31491#

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1397)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Qe2 Bc5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1397)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Qe2 Bc5 h3 Qd6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1397)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Qe2 Bc5 h3 Qd6 Nc3 h6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1397)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Qe2 Bc5 h3 Qd6 Nc3 h6 Qc4 g5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1397)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Qe2 Bc5 h3 Qd6 Nc3 h6 Qc4 g5 g4 O-O

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Bc5 Nc3 Nd4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Bc5 Nc3 Nd4 Nxe5 Nxb3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Clément Lelièvre    (1400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nc3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 h3 Nh6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 h3 Nh6 O-O a5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 h3 Nh6 O-O a5 Re1 f6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 a3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bc5 b4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Bc4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Bc4 h6 h4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Bc4 h6 h4 Nf6 Rb1

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Bc4 h6 h4 Nf6 Rb1 d6 Bb2

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Clément Lelièvre    (1480)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 Qc7 Qd3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1480)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 Qc7 Qd3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1480)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 Qc7 Qd3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Be3 e6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4 cxb4 Na4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Clément Lelièvre    (1470)
e4 e6 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Bb4

Transpose to wikichess #8933#

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1524)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1524)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6 Nbc3 O-O

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1524)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6 Nbc3 O-O O-O Re8

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1524)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6 Nbc3 O-O O-O Re8 Bg5 c6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1524)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6 Nbc3 O-O O-O Re8 Bg5 c6 Re1 Bg4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4 Nd5 Nxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Clément Lelièvre    (1512)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4 e6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1512)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 h6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1512)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Rf6 Nd3 b6 b4 Rh6 Be1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4 cxb4 Na4 b5 cxb5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4 cxb4 Na4 b5 cxb5 axb5 Qxb4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Clément Lelièvre    (1485)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Be7 d4 d6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1485)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Be7 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1485)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Be7 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1468)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bg5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1468)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bg5 Nc6 e3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1468)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bg5 Nc6 e3 e6 a3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1468)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bg5 Nc6 e3 e6 a3 b5 Be2

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1468)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bg5 Nc6 e3 e6 a3 b5 Be2 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nf3 Nfd7 Bd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 c5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 e3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 c5 d3 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Be7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Nxc4 O-O

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Be7 Bd3 h6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Nxc4 O-O Bxc5 Nxc5

Transpose to wikichess #20595#

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 c5 d3 d5 Nd2 Qc7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Rf6 Nd3 b6 b4 Rh6 Be1 Nf6 c5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 c5 d3 d5 Nd2 Qc7 e3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Be7 Bd3 h6 O-O O-O Bf4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 c5 d3 d5 Nd2 Qc7 e3 O-O Ne2 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2 Bxd5 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxh6 Bxh6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Be7 Bd3 h6 O-O O-O Bf4 Re8 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 e3 Be7 Ne2 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 exd5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxh6 Bxh6 Rxh6 O-O-O

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Re8 h4 h5 O-O-O b5 Nd5 Rb8 Nxf6 exf6 Ng3 bxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rhe1 a4 a3 Ra8 Ba2 Na5 Kb1 Ba6 Qc3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2 Qc7 a4

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxh6 Bxh6 Rxh6 O-O-O g5 Bh3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4 cxb4 Na4 b5 cxb5 axb5 Qxb4 Ne8 Nc3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 e3 Be7 Ne2 Bg4 h3 Bh5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 c5 d3 d5 Nd2 Qc7 e3 O-O Ne2 Nbd7 O-O Rb8

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Clément Lelièvre    (1449)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 d6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Clément Lelièvre    (1440)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Bc5 Nc3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #25376#

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1445)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1445)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Nb5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1445)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Nb5 Bb4 c3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1445)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Nb5 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1445)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Nb5 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Qxd1 Kxd1

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1445)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Nb5 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Qxd1 Kxd1 Bc5 Nxc7

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1438)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Bc5 Nc3 d6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1438)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Bc5 Nc3 d6 h3 h6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1438)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Bc5 Nc3 d6 h3 h6 d4 exd4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1438)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Bc5 Nc3 d6 h3 h6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 e3 Be7 Ne2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2 Qc7 a4 Qc6 Rd1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4 cxb4 Na4 b5 cxb5 axb5 Qxb4 Ne8 Nc3 Bh6 Bf2

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 e3 Be7 Ne2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 exd5 cxd5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Rf6 Nd3 b6 b4 Rh6 Be1 Nf6 c5 Rg6 cxd6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5 Rhe1 Ba6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxh6 Bxh6 Rxh6 O-O-O g5 Bh3 Rc8 Qb7

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Rf6 Nd3 b6 b4 Rh6 Be1 Nf6 c5 Rg6 cxd6 cxd6 Nb5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4 g5 cxd6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 Qd2 Rb8 Nc1 e5 d5 Nd4 Nb3 Nxb3 axb3 c5 b4 cxb4 Na4 b5 cxb5 axb5 Qxb4 Ne8 Nc3 Bh6 Bf2 Qg5 Rd1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2 Qc7 a4 Qc6 Rd1 Nbd7 Nf1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5 Rhe1 Ba6 Qd2 Bxe2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 h6 gxh6 g6 Qd2 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxh6 Bxh6 Rxh6 O-O-O g5 Bh3 Rc8 Qb7 Qc7 Bxd7

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Rad8

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5 Nf3 Nd7 g3 Re8 Kg2 Ne7 Re1 Ng6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Rad8 Qg2 Qxg2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2 Qc7 a4 Qc6 Rd1 Nbd7 Nf1 Nc5 Ng3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Bf4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7 Bxe5 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Rad8 Qg2 Qxg2 Kxg2 Bxd3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7 Bxe5 a6 e3 axb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5 Nf3 Nd7 g3 Re8 Kg2 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Rb1 Qc6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7 Bxe5 a6 e3 axb5 Bb2 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5 Rhe1 Ba6 Qd2 Bxe2 Qxe2 Be7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 d5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 d5 d3 Nc5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 d5 d3 Nc5 Nxe5 a6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 exf5 Nf6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 exf5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 exf5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Qe7 Qe2

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 exf5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Qe7 Qe2 Bxf5 d3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1361)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 exf5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Qe7 Qe2 Bxf5 d3 h6 O-O

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 a4 a6 Na3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7 Bxe5 a6 e3 axb5 Bb2 c6 d4 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2 Qc7 a4 Qc6 Rd1 Nbd7 Nf1 Nc5 Ng3 Nxd3 cxd3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7 Bxe5 a6 e3 axb5 Bb2 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 a4 a6 Na3 Be7 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Nce7 Bxe5 a6 e3 axb5 Bb2 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 g6 Ngf3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 h3 Nbd7 Qf3 Rc8 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Rfc1 Nb6 Nd2 Qc7 a4 Qc6 Rd1 Nbd7 Nf1 Nc5 Ng3 Nxd3 cxd3 d5 Rac1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Martin Zeman    (2205)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 Kf8 Qd1 b6 dxc5 bxc5 c4 Ba6 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 exd5 Nf3 Nd7 g3 Re8 Kg2 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Rb1 Qc6 c3 h6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2414)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 e5 Nb3 b5 Qd3 Bb7 O-O-O b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5 Rhe1 Ba6 Qd2 Bxe2 Qxe2 Be7 Nd2 Qc7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4 g5 cxd6 cxd6 b5

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3 Bg7 d4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 d6 exd6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 d6 exd6 Qxd6 Qxd6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1484)
e4 c5 e5 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 d6 exd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 exd6 Bb5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7 Nf3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4 g5 cxd6 cxd6 b5 Ng6 Ba3

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7 Nf3 d5 e3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4 g5 cxd6 cxd6 b5 Ng6 Ba3 Ne8 b6

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7 Nf3 d5 e3 Nbd7 Be2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 d3 a6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 d3 a6 Ba4 Nh6

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 d3 a6 Ba4 Nh6 h3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 d3 a6 Ba4 Nh6 h3 Bc5 Nc3 g5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 d3 a6 Ba4 Nh6 h3 Bc5 Nc3 g5 Bb3 g4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 d3 a6 Ba4 Nh6 h3 Bc5 Nc3 g5 Bb3 g4 hxg4 Nxg4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emile Trigance    (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nf3 Nfd7 Bd2 c6 g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7 Nf3 d5 e3 Nbd7 Be2 O-O O-O Nb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4 g5 cxd6 cxd6 b5 Ng6 Ba3 Ne8 b6 a6 Rc1

============

Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Bg2 gxh2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7 Nf3 d5 e3 Nbd7 Be2 O-O O-O Nb6 a4 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Bg2 gxh2 Kf1 hxg1Q

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Bg2 gxh2 Kf1 hxg1Q Kxg1 Qg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 Be7 Nf3 d5 e3 Nbd7 Be2 O-O O-O Nb6 a4 a5 d3 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Martin Zeman    (2205)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nd7 Nd2 f5 c5 Nf6 f3 f4 Nc4 g5 cxd6 cxd6 b5 Ng6 Ba3 Ne8 b6 a6 Rc1 h5 Rf2

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Contributors : Martin Zeman


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bc5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Clément Lelièvre    (1508)
e4 c5 Nc3 e5 Nf3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bc5 Ne2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bd6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bc5 Ne2 O-O O-O Re8

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 e6 Qc2 Nf6 g3

Transpose to wikichess #8536#

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bd6 Ne2 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Qa4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bd6 Ne2 O-O O-O c5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bc5 Ne2 O-O O-O Re8 d3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bd6 Ne2 O-O O-O c5 d3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bd6 Ne2 O-O O-O c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 Re8

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bd6 Ne2 O-O O-O c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 Re8 Nd2 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Bc5 Ne2 O-O O-O Re8 d3 Bg4 h3 Be6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6

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Contributors : George Clement


Clément Lelièvre    (1525)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 Nc3 a6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1525)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 Nc3 a6 Ba4 b5

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1525)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 Nc3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 b4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1525)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 Nc3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 b4 Nd5 Nd4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1525)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 Nc3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 b4 Nd5 Nd4 Ba4 Bd7

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1500)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 h3 a6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1500)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 h3 a6 Ba4 b5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1500)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 h3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Nd4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1500)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 h3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1500)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 h3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 d3 Nf6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1500)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 h3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 d3 Nf6 Qf3 c6

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 Ne5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Bg2 gxh2 Kf1 hxg1Q Kxg1 Qg5 Bxh8 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6

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Contributors : George Clement


Clément Lelièvre    (1505)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1505)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 a6 Bd3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1505)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg6 b3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1505)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg6 b3 Bb4 Qd2

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1505)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg6 b3 Bb4 Qd2 O-O a3

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Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 Ne5 Bb2 Nxf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 Ne5 Bb2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 Ne5 Bb2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O O-O Re8 Ne5

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bb5 Nd7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 Ne5 Bb2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 O-O d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 c4 cxd4

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bb5 Nd7 Re1 Rc8

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4 Qc2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 c4 cxd4 Nfxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bb5 Nd7 Re1 Rc8 b3 h5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4 Qc2 exd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O e6

Transpose to wikichess #5764#

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bb5 Nd7 Re1 Rc8 b3 h5 Qe2 Be7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Qa4 O-O d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4 Qc2 exd4 Nxd4 a3 b3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Qa4 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bb5 Nd7 Re1 Rc8 b3 h5 Qe2 Be7 Nxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 e4 b4 Na4 c5 O-O cxd4 e5 Nd5 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bb5 Nd7 Re1 Rc8 b3 h5 Qe2 Be7 Nxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Nc7

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 c4 cxd4 Nfxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rfd8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emmanuel Brulland    (1466)
b3 b6 g3 Bb7 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 Ne5 Bb2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 O-O d5 d4 e6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3 h5 Nh2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 c4 cxd4 Nfxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rfd8 cxd5 Bxd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3 h5 Nh2 Be6 f4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 c4 cxd4 Nfxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rfd8 cxd5 Bxd5 Ba6 Bb7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3 h5 Nh2 Be6 f4 exf4 Bxf4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 Rad1 Rc8 a3 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 c4 cxd4 Nfxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rfd8 cxd5 Bxd5 Ba6 Bb7 Bxb7 Qxb7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3 h5 Nh2 Be6 f4 exf4 Bxf4 Qd7 Kh1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3 h5 Nh2 Be6 f4 exf4 Bxf4 Qd7 Kh1 f6 Bd2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Qa4 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 Qc7 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Nxg4 hxg4 Bxg4 Kg2 Qd6 Ne2 O-O-O d3 h5 Nh2 Be6 f4 exf4 Bxf4 Qd7 Kh1 f6 Bd2 Bh3 Rg1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7 Qxe7

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Contributors : George Clement


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Qc2 Qa5 Nc3 f5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Qc2 Qa5 Nc3 f5 f3 Nd6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Qc2 Qa5 Nc3 f5 f3 Nd6 e4 g6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7 Qxe7 c3 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Qc2

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Contributors : George Clement


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Qc2 Qa5 Nc3 f5 f3 Nd6 e4 g6 e5 Nf7

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Qc2 Qa5 Nc3 f5 f3 Nd6 e4 g6 e5 Nf7 f4 e6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7 Qxe7 c3 Qc7 Nd4 Rac8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7 Qxe7 c3 Qc7 Nd4 Rac8 f3 Nd6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7 Qxe7 c3 Qc7 Nd4 Rac8 f3 Nd6 Bf4 Qc5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nbd4 O-O Nf5 Re8 Nxe7 Qxe7 c3 Qc7 Nd4 Rac8 f3 Nd6 Bf4 Qc5 Bxd6 Qxd6

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8 g5 Nd7

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5 e3 d4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5 e3 d4 Nb1 c5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5 e3 d4 Nb1 c5 d3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5 e3 d4 Nb1 c5 d3 Nc6 e4 Be7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 c5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5 e3 d4 Nb1 c5 d3 Nc6 e4 Be7 Nf3 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 a3 d5 e3 d4 Nb1 c5 d3 Nc6 e4 Be7 Nf3 O-O Be2 a6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
c4 c5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #33424#

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2 h6 a3

Transpose to wikichess #16716#

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8 g5 Nd7 Nd2 b5

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3

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Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5 d3 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5 d3 e5 Ne2 Nc6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Bg5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Na4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Na4 cxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Qc2 O-O Ne4

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8 g5 Nd7 Nd2 b5 Nd5 Bd8

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8 g5 Nd7 Nd2 b5 Nd5 Bd8 Rhg1 g6

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Qc2 O-O Ne4 Qe7 Bb3

Transpose to wikichess #37311#

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Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8 g5 Nd7 Nd2 b5 Nd5 Bd8 Rhg1 g6 h4 a4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 a3 b5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 Re1 O-O h3

Transpose to wikichess #11511#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Be6 Rb1

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5 d3 e5 Ne2 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1 cxd4 Nb3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nf6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e6 b3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Bb2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Bb2 Re8 Qe2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1 cxd4 Nb3 Qh5 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 c5 d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 c5 d5 e6 O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 c5 d5 e6 O-O Ng4 h3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1 cxd4 Nb3 Qh5 Nxd4 Nc6 Nde2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1 cxd4 Nb3 Qh5 Nxd4 Nc6 Nde2 Nd7 Nf4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O Be3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5 d3 e5 Ne2 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4 h3 Bh5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5 d3 e5 Ne2 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 h6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 c5

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1436)
b3 Nf6 g3 d5 e3 c5 d3 e5 Ne2 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Bb2 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Clément Lelièvre    (1532)
d4 d5 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Bg4 f3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1532)
d4 d5 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nc3

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1532)
d4 d5 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 Nb5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1532)
d4 d5 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 Nb5 e5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1532)
d4 d5 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 Nb5 e5 dxe5 fxe5 e4

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Clément Lelièvre    (1532)
d4 d5 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 Nb5 e5 dxe5 fxe5 e4 exf4 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Clément Lelièvre


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 c5 d5 Na6

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Stephan J. Hilbert    (1800)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance, Stephan J. Hilbert


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 O-O g4 a5 Bb5 Na6 O-O-O Nc7 Be2 Qc8 g5 Nd7 Nd2 b5 Nd5 Bd8 Rhg1 g6 h4 a4 a3 Nxd5

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 f4 Nbc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 c5 d5 Na6 Bg5 Nc7

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 f4 Nbc6 f5 Na5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 h6 e5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 f4 Nbc6 f5 Na5 Bb5 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 f4 Nbc6 f5 Na5 Bb5 O-O c3 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O O-O Re8 Ne5 Nd6 Bd3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bb4 Bg5 dxe4 Bxe4 Qd6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 e3 Qh4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Bb6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 c4 Qe4 Kf2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 f4 Nbc6 f5 Na5 Bb5 O-O c3 Bd6 Na3 c6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (1731)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 c5 d5 Na6 Bg5 Nc7 Be2 a6

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bb4 Bg5 dxe4 Bxe4 Qd6 O-O Bxc3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Bb6 Nc4 Ne7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bb4 Bg5 dxe4 Bxe4 Qd6 O-O Bxc3 Bxf6 gxf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4 Qc5 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 c4 Qe4 Kf2 Bxb5 cxb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4 Qc5 Be3 Qxd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4 Qc5 Be3 Qxd4 Bxd4 b4 Nd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 c4 Qe4 Kf2 Bxb5 cxb5 Nf6 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Be7 h3 Be6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4 Qc5 Be3 Qxd4 Bxd4 b4 Nd2 c5 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Be7 h3 Be6 c4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4 Qc5 Be3 Qxd4 Bxd4 b4 Nd2 c5 Be3 O-O-O f3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne4 c3 Nc5 Qxd4 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 c4 Qc5 Be3 Qxd4 Bxd4 b4 Nd2 c5 Be3 O-O-O f3 Re8 Bf4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 e3 Qh4 g3 Qe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 d4

Transpose to wikichess #51249#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Be7 h3 Be6 c4 O-O O-O Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Be7 h3 Be6 c4 O-O O-O Nbd7 d3 Re8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O O-O Re8 Ne5 Nd6 Bd3 Bf5 Bxf5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5 c5 Nc8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
d4 d5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c6 e3 Qb6 Qc1 e5 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Ne7 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf2 Nd7 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O O-O Re8 Ne5 Nd6 Bd3 Bf5 Bxf5 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Bb6 Nc4 Ne7 Nxb6 axb6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1 cxd4 Nb3 Qh5 Nxd4 Nc6 Nde2 Nd7 Nf4 Qa5 Rc1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 Nf6 c4 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4 Nh3 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 a4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 Nf6 c4 Be7 a3 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4 Nh3 Qe7 e5 Kd8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 e3 Qh4 g3 Qe7 Nh3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5 c5 Nc8 Bf4 Qd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 e3 Qh4 g3 Qe7 Nh3 Nf6 Bg2 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 Nf6 c4 Be7 a3 Nbd7 d3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Ng6 Nd3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5 c5 Nc8 Bf4 Qd7 Qd2 Re8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 Qd3 O-O O-O Be6 Be3 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Ne8 a4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #46819#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O c5 c3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5 c5 Nc8 Bf4 Qd7 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 Nd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O c5 c3 Nc6 Be3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4 Nh3 Qe7 e5 Kd8 a3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 Nf6 c4 Be7 a3 Nbd7 d3 c5 b5 a6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O c5 c3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5 c5 Nc8 Bf4 Qd7 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 Nd8 Be3 Bf6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2218)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 exd6 exd6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 b3 d5 c5 Nc8 Bf4 Qd7 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 Nd8 Be3 Bf6 Bg5 Be7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5 Nge2 Qc7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 Nf6 c4 Be7 a3 Nbd7 d3 c5 b5 a6 a4 axb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5 Nge2 Qc7 Ng3 Nb6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Qe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Bb6 Nc4 Ne7 Nxb6 axb6 Re1 Bd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Qa5 Nc1 cxd4 Nb3 Qh5 Nxd4 Nc6 Nde2 Nd7 Nf4 Qa5 Rc1 Nc5 Qd2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Rc1 Ng6 Nd3 Nf6 c5

Transpose to wikichess #41457#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5 Qg3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 O-O h4 b5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O c5 c3

Transpose to wikichess #8454#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5 Qg3 Nexg4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (1886)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 a4 h5 Nb5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (1886)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3 O-O Bg2

Transpose to wikichess #50008#

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5 Qg3 Nexg4 Be2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 Qd3 O-O O-O Be6 Be3 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Ne8 a4 Bg5 a5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Bb6 Nc4 Ne7 Nxb6 axb6 Re1 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5 Nge2 Qc7 Ng3 Nb6 Nf5 Bxf5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5 Nge2 Qc7 Ng3 Nb6 Nf5 Bxf5 gxf5 Rb8

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5 Qg3 Nexg4 Be2 h5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8 Qf2 c5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (1886)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O h6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8 Qf2 c5 Be3 b6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (1886)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O h6 Nbd2 Nd7

Transpose to wikichess #10769#

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8 Qf2 c5 Be3 b6 Qg3 Qg7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 d3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 a4 h5 Nb5 g4 Qc2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 g3 e6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Qe7 Qh5 g6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 Qd3 O-O O-O Be6 Be3 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Ne8 a4 Bg5 a5 g6 c4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5 Qg3 Nexg4 Be2 h5 h3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 Qd3 O-O O-O Be6 Be3 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Ne8 a4 Bg5 a5 g6 c4 f5 Rfe1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5 Nge2 Qc7 Ng3 Nb6 Nf5 Bxf5 gxf5 Rb8 O-O-O b4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 c6 f3 b5 h4 Nbd7 g4 h6 h5 g5 Nge2 Qc7 Ng3 Nb6 Nf5 Bxf5 gxf5 Rb8 O-O-O b4 Nb1 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 g4 Qc7 Bd2 Ne5 Qg3 Nexg4 Be2 h5 h3 h4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Qe7 Qh5 g6 Qh4 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bc5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bc5 e3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #50063#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 exd5 a3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 a4 h5 Nb5 g4 Qc2 Ne8 Kh1

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1411)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 exd5 a3 Be7 Nf3 d4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Qe7 Qh5 g6 Qh4 d6 a3 Ba5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Qe7 Qh5 g6 Qh4 d6 a3 Ba5 Nc3 f5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Be3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Be3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 Nd3 Nf6 c5 Ng6 a4 h5 Nb5 g4 Qc2 Ne8 Kh1 a6 Na3

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Qe7 Qh5 g6 Qh4 d6 a3 Ba5 Nc3 f5 Nf3 Qxh4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4 Nc6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4 Nc6 Bd3 Nxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6 Ke2

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6 Ke2 Rfe8 Rc2

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Bb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Arno Bezemer    (2367)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6 Ke2 Rfe8 Rc2 g5 Bc7

============

Contributors : Arno Bezemer


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Bb5 d5 exd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Bb5 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Bb5 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2 Be7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Nf6 Nf3 Qf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Bb5 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2 Be7 Nf3 a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Nf6 Nf3 Qf5 a3 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Bb5 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2 Be7 Nf3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Nf6 Nf3 Qf5 a3 Bc5 e3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 e3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Nf6 Nf3 Qf5 a3 Bc5 e3 d5 d4 Bb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 Bd3 dxe4 Nxe4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 e3 c5 Nc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e6 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Nf6 Nf3 Qf5 a3 Bc5 e3 d5 d4 Bb6 Bd3 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 O-O-O b6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7 Rae1 Qd6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4 Nc6 cxd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4 h4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7 Rae1 Qd6 Rf3 Qd4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Ndc4

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (2308)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 Qd3 O-O O-O Be6 Be3 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Ne8 a4 Bg5 a5 g6 c4 f5 Rfe1 Rc8 Qc3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 O-O c5 Bxf1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4 h4 Bxh4 e5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7 Rae1 Qd6 Rf3 Qd4 Qe3 Qxe3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Ndc4 Qc7 Nxc6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 O-O c5 Bxf1 Rxf1 Nd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4 h4 Bxh4 e5 Bg4 Bxg6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7 Rae1 Qd6 Rf3 Qd4 Qe3 Qxe3 Rfxe3 Rad8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Ndc4 Qc7 Nxc6 dxc4 Ne5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 O-O c5 Bxf1 Rxf1 Nd5 Rc1 f6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7 Rae1 Qd6 Rf3 Qd4 Qe3 Qxe3 Rfxe3 Rad8 Ne4 Nd5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Ndc4 Qc7 Nxc6 dxc4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 O-O c5 Bxf1 Rxf1 Nd5 Rc1 f6 exf6 Rxf6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nxe5 Qe7 f4 dxe4 O-O exd3 cxd3 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nc3 Nbd7 Rae1 Qd6 Rf3 Qd4 Qe3 Qxe3 Rfxe3 Rad8 Ne4 Nd5 Rg3 f5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 b3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O Ne5 c5 O-O Bb7 dxc5 bxc5 Rc1 Qd6 f4 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Ndc4 Qc7 Nxc6 dxc4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 Rad8 Qc2

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 O-O-O b6 Kb1 Bb7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 Nd2 g6 Nf3 Qb4 Kd1 Nb6 b3 Bg7 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 O-O c5 Bxf1 Rxf1 Nd5 Rc1 f6 exf6 Rxf6 Rc4 Rf5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 e3 c5 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8 b4 Qh5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 a3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 a3 d5 d3 exd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2 O-O O-O Bg5 Qd3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 a3 d5 d3 exd3 cxd3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 a3 d5 d3 exd3 cxd3 Be7 Be2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2 O-O O-O Bg5 Qd3 Be6 Rad1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 a3 d5 d3 exd3 cxd3 Be7 Be2 O-O Nf3 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5 Bg3 Kb8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 a3 d5 d3 exd3 cxd3 Be7 Be2 O-O Nf3 b6 O-O Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5 Bg3 Kb8 Kb1 Nc6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O Nd7 Kh1 Qg5 Qe1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8 b4 Qh5 Rd1 Nc8

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2 O-O O-O Bg5 Qd3 Be6 Rad1 Rc8 b3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O Nd7 Kh1 Qg5 Qe1 h3 gxh3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5 Bg3 Kb8 Kb1 Nc6 Rhe1 Be7

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O Nd7 Kh1 Qg5 Qe1 h3 gxh3 Qe5 Qf2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Be7 Re1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5 Bg3 Kb8 Kb1 Nc6 Rhe1 Be7 a3 Rhf8

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2 O-O O-O Bg5 Qd3 Be6 Rad1 Rc8 b3 g6 Kh1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5 Bg3 Kb8 Kb1 Nc6 Rhe1 Be7 a3 Rhf8 Qd3 Rh8

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c4 b4 Nc2 a5 Be2 O-O O-O Bg5 Qd3 Be6 Rad1 Rc8 b3 g6 Kh1 Re8 g3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2 Nd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8 b4 Qh5 Rd1 Nc8 Rd4 Qe5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2 Nd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Nb1

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Qd2 Qc7 h4 h6 h5 b6 c4 Bb7 O-O-O O-O-O Be2 Ne7 g4 g5 Bg3 Kb8 Kb1 Nc6 Rhe1 Be7 a3 Rhf8 Qd3 Rh8 Rd2 Ka8

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2 Nd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Nb1 Bb7 Na3

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Nd2 d6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 e3 Nge7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Nd2 d6 g3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2 Nd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Nb1 Bb7 Na3 c5 Qf4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Nd2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 e3 Nge7 Ne2 d6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 e3 Nge7 Ne2 d6 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Nd2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Nd2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Be7 Ne2 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Nd2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 e3 Be7 Ne2 Bg4 h3 Bh5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2 Nd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Nb1 Bb7 Na3 c5 Qf4 Bc6 Nc4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 e3 Nge7 Ne2 d6 d3 O-O Nd2 Be6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1354)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 e3 Nge7 Ne2 d6 d3 O-O Nd2 Be6 O-O Qd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nb3 Bb4 f3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2516)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e5 Ne8 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nc7 Be3 b6 h3 Ne6 a4 a5 Qd2 Nd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Nb1 Bb7 Na3 c5 Qf4 Bc6 Nc4 Bd5 Re2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5 Nf5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5 Nf5 Rxd1 Rxd1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O h4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5 Nf5 Rxd1 Rxd1 hxg4 hxg4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O h4 g4 Be2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2230)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O h4 g4 Be2 f5 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Ne2 c5 c3 Nf6 cxd4 Nc6 e5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Ne2 c5 c3 Nf6 cxd4 Nc6 e5 Ne4 Qc2

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 d4 Ne2 c5 c3 Nf6 cxd4 Nc6 e5 Ne4 Qc2 Ng5 Nxg5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8 b4 Qh5 Rd1 Nc8 Rd4 Qe5 Qe3 Rhe8

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Contributors : George Clement


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 c5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 c5 d5 a6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 c5 d5 a6 a4 Qb6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 c5 d5 a6 a4 Qb6 Ra3 a5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8 b4 Qh5 Rd1 Nc8 Rd4 Qe5 Qe3 Rhe8 Qg3 g5

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Contributors : George Clement


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 Bf4 e6 e3 Bb4 Bd3 O-O

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d5

Transpose to wikichess #2911#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 Nc3 Bd7 Nde2 O-O-O Qc1 Qc5 Rb1 Kb8 b4 Qh5 Rd1 Nc8 Rd4 Qe5 Qe3 Rhe8 Qg3 g5 Qxe5 Rxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nxd4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nxd4 e5 Ng8 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 Bf4 e6 e3 Bb4 Bd3 O-O Nge2 d5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 Bf4 e6 e3 Bb4 Bd3 O-O Nge2 d5 O-O a6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4 Bxg7 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nxd4 e5 Ng8 Be3 Qa5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6 Qxf5 d6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6 Qxf5 d6 Qf3 Bg4

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6 Qxf5 d6 Qf3 Bg4 Bb5 c6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 Bf4 e6 e3 Bb4 Bd3 O-O Nge2 d5 O-O a6 a3 Bd6

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 h5 h3

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6 Qxf5 d6 Qf3 Bg4 Bb5 c6 Qd3 cxb5

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6 Qxf5 d6 Qf3 Bg4 Bb5 c6 Qd3 cxb5 Qxb5 Qd7

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nc3 f5 Qf3 Nf6 Qxf5 d6 Qf3 Bg4 Bb5 c6 Qd3 cxb5 Qxb5 Qd7 a4 Nc6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Qd3 Nf6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 h5 h3 c5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 h5 h3 c5 Nxe5 Be6 O-O

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 h5 h3 c5 Nxe5 Be6 O-O Qd6 Nf3

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Bart Lemstra    (1811)
d4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 Bf4 e6 e3 Bb4 Bd3 O-O Nge2 d5 O-O a6 a3 Bd6 Nb1 c5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 O-O-O O-O

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1239)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 O-O-O O-O Nf3 c6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4 Bxg7 Nc6 Bxh8 Nh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 d3 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4 Bxg7 Nc6 Bxh8 Nh6 Bb2 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nxd4 e5 Ng8 Be3 Qa5 Nc3 Qxe5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 a4 a6 Na3 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4 Bxg7 Nc6 Bxh8 Nh6 Bb2 e5 Qh5 Nf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4 Bxg7 Nc6 Bxh8 Nh6 Bb2 e5 Qh5 Nf5 Qxh7 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 e6 e3 Bxb4 Bxg7 Nc6 Bxh8 Nh6 Bb2 e5 Qh5 Nf5 Qxh7 Qe7 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 d3 Nd7 Nf3 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1405)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 d3 Nd7 Nf3 a5 c3 axb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1405)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 d3 Nd7 Nf3 a5 c3 axb4 cxb4 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3 Bc4 Nh6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 d5 exd5 Bd6 d4 O-O Bxf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3 Bc4 Nh6 Qxh5 Qxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 d3 Nd7 Nf3 a5 c3 axb4 cxb4 Bd6 Be2 Nh6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3 Bc4 Nh6 Qxh5 Qxd4 Bxf7 Nxf7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 a3 Ba5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 a3 Ba5 Qh5 Ng6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 a3 Ba5 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 a3 Ba5 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4 Qxa5 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Ne7 a3 Ba5 Qh5 Ng6 f4 exf4 Qxa5 Nc6 Qh5 Nce5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Nge7 Re1 a6 Bf1 d5 d3 g6 Nbd2 Bg7 c3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nf3 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 a4 e5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O h6 d4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 Nge2 e6 f4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1405)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bg4 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1405)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bg4 Bd3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1405)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bg4 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Bf4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1405)
e4 c6 e5 d5 exd6 exd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bg4 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Bf4 Nd5 Bg3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 Nge2 e6 f4 Nf6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 Nge2 e6 f4 Nf6 O-O O-O Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 a6 a3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 a6 a3 c5 b3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 a6 a3 c5 b3 Nc6 c3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6 a6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5 Bxf5 exf5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6 a6 bxa6 Qc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4 dxc5 Bxc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7 d3 O-O c4 a5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 b6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7 d3 O-O c4 a5 c5 Qd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 b6 O-O Ba6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6 a6 bxa6 Qc3 Bxd1 Qxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5 Bxf5 exf5 Be3 f4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 b6 O-O Ba6 d3 c5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1373)
b3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 b6 O-O Ba6 d3 c5 Nd2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 c5 Qc7 axb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6 fxe5 fxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Rc1 Ne7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5 Bxf5 exf5 Be3 f4 Bd4 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6 fxe5 fxe5 Bxe5 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6 fxe5 fxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 c5 Qc7 axb4 Rxa1 Bxa1 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Be5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6 fxe5 fxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d6 Bb2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Bb2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Rc1 Ne7 O-O Qb6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5 Bxf5 exf5 Be3 f4 Bd4 O-O h3 Qd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 e3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6 fxe5 fxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d6 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 e3 Bg4 cxd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Rc1 Ne7 O-O Qb6 Qd4 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5 Bxf5 exf5 Be3 f4 Bd4 O-O h3 Qd7 Re1 Qe6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Qb6 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Rb8 b3 Qb4 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Rc1 Ne7 O-O Qb6 Qd4 O-O Nb1 Ne4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3 Bf8 c4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 Be4 O-O Bxf3 Nxf3 Nf5 Bf4 Be7 Bd3 g5 Bxf5 exf5 Be3 f4 Bd4 O-O h3 Qd7 Re1 Qe6 Bc3 Rfd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3 Bf8 c4 c5 Ne2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3 Bf8 c4 c5 Ne2 Nd7 Qc2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 f6 fxe5 fxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d6 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Qd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 e3 Bg4 cxd5 Qxd5 Bxf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3 Bf8 c4 c5 Ne2 Nd7 Qc2 Ne5 Bxc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3 Bf8 c4 c5 Ne2 Nd7 Qc2 Ne5 Bxc5 Qg6 Qc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 Bg2 Be6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 Bg2 Be6 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 Bg2 Be6 d3 O-O Nd2 h6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 b6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qf6 d4 exd4 Bg5 Qd6 Nxd4 Be7 Be3 Nf6 f3 O-O Nd2 b5 Re1 Re8 N2b3 Bf8 c4 c5 Ne2 Nd7 Qc2 Ne5 Bxc5 Qg6 Qc3 bxc4 Bxf8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 Bg2 Be6 d3 O-O Nd2 h6 O-O a6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6 Nf3 Ng4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6 Nf3 Ng4 h3 Ngxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6 Nf3 Ng4 h3 Ngxe5 Nxe5 Qh4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4 g5 Bh2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
c4 c5 Nc3 d6 g3 g6 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 b6 d3 Ba6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
c4 c5 Nc3 d6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 Nf3 Ne7 d4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 b6 d3 Ba6 Nd2 Bc5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4 g5 Bh2 c5 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 b6 d3 Ba6 Nd2 Bc5 O-O d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 Nf3 Ne7 d4 e4 Nfd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 O-O e3 Ng4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 Nf3 Ne7 d4 e4 Nfd2 Ng6 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 e4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bf4 c6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4 g5 Bh2 c5 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 O-O e3 Ng4 Nc3 Bf5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 Nf3 Ne7 d4 e4 Nfd2 Ng6 c4 c5 Qb3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4 g5 Bh2 c5 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bf4 c6 Ne4 Qa5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 e4 Nd4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4 g5 Bh2 c5 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 h5 Re1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bf4 c6 Ne4 Qa5 Qd4 Nc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Ethan Marema    (1900)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Qd8

============

Contributors : Ethan Marema


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 e4 Nd4 O-O O-O Qe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be7 Ne2 b6 Bf4 g5 Bh2 c5 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 h5 Re1 Rd8 Rxd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bf4 c6 Ne4 Qa5 Qd4 Nc5 Bd2 Ne6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 e4 Nd4 O-O O-O Qe5 g3 Bh3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bf4 c6 Ne4 Qa5 Qd4 Nc5 Bd2 Ne6 Qc3 Qd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 e5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 f4 Neg4 e5 Be7 h3 d6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bf4 c6 Ne4 Qa5 Qd4 Nc5 Bd2 Ne6 Qc3 Qd5 Nd6 Bxd6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 e5 a6 a4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Ethan Marema    (1900)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Qd8 c4 dxc4

============

Contributors : Ethan Marema


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 e5 a6 a4 Ne7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 e5 a6 a4 Ne7 Bd3 g6 Ne2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 e3 d5

Transpose to wikichess #50063#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 b3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 c5 Qc7 axb4 Rxa1 Bxa1 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 b3 Qb6 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #9568#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5 Bc4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 e6 g4 Bg6 Nge2 c5 h4 h6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Ethan Marema    (1900)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Qd8 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6

============

Contributors : Ethan Marema


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 e6 g4 Bg6 Nge2 c5 h4 h6 Be3 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 e5 a6 a4 Ne7 Bd3 g6 Ne2 Bg7 Nd2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 e6 g4 Bg6 Nge2 c5 h4 h6 Be3 c4 Nf4 Ne7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5 Bc4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6

Transpose to wikichess #2777#

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d3 a5 Bg5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d3 a5 Bg5 Be7 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d3 a5 Bg5 Be7 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d3 a5 Bg5 Be7 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 h6 Bh4

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d3 a5 Bg5 Be7 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 h6 Bh4 c5 c4

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d3 a5 Bg5 Be7 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 h6 Bh4 c5 c4 Be7 e5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 d5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 d5 Nd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 d5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 b4

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5 Nf3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 d6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 d5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 b4 Bxb4 Nd2

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Be2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 Nf6 Nf3 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 d6 a5 Nxa5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 d6 a5 Nxa5 Bd2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 d6 a5 Nxa5 Bd2 Nc6 c4 Bxb2

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 Nf6 Nf3 Nbd7 d4 O-O

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 d6 a5 Nxa5 Bd2 Nc6 c4 Bxb2 Ra2 Bg7

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 d4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Be2 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 Nf6 Nf3 Nbd7 d4 O-O Be2 e5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 Nf6 Nf3 Nbd7 d4 O-O Be2 e5 Nd5 Nxd5

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 d4 Nd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 d4 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nfd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Clement Beni    (1109)
e4 d6 Nc3 g6 a4 Bg7 Ra3 Nf6 Nf3 Nbd7 d4 O-O Be2 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb6

============

Contributors : Clement Beni


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Be2 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 d4 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Bd6 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 b5 d5 e3 Be6 d4 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nfd2 Bd6 c4 c6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 g6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5 Bc4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Ng5 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bd6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Be2 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bg3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bg3 Nf6 e3 Na5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bg3 Nf6 e3 Na5 Qa4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bg3 Nf6 e3 Na5 Qa4 Nc6 Ne5 Qd7

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qd7 Bd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5 Bc4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 Nxd5 Be6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1362)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Be2 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 O-O Be7 c3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qd7 Bd2 Bf5 Qc1

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5 Bc4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 Nxd5 Be6 Nxe6 fxe6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Bxc4 e6 h3 Bh5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 c6 c4 Nc7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qd7 Bd2 Bf5 Qc1 a4 Nc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 c6 c4 Nc7 f4 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 c6 c4 Nc7 f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 b3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 b3 O-O Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 b3 O-O Bd3 Re8 Nh3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qd7 Bd2 Bf5 Qc1 a4 Nc5 Qc6 Bb4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 c6 c4 Nc7 f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 c6 c4 Nc7 f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Bxc4 e6 h3 Bh5 Nc3 a6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 b3 O-O Bd3 Re8 Nh3 Bb4 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 c6 c4 Nc7 f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bd3 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 e4 e6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Be7 Nfd4 Nxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qd7 Bd2 Bf5 Qc1 a4 Nc5 Qc6 Bb4 Qg6 Qd2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 Be7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 Nf6 O-O O-O e3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 Be7 O-O e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 Nf6 O-O O-O e3 d6 Rb1

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 Be7 O-O e5 d3 h6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 Nf6 O-O O-O e3 d6 Rb1 e5 Re1

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 Be7 O-O e5 d3 h6 Re1 Nf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nd2 Qc7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d5 Ne2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nd2 Qc7 O-O b6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Bxc4 e6 h3 Bh5 Nc3 a6 g4 Bg6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1822)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Bxc4 e6 h3 Bh5 Nc3 a6 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 Qxd3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Ne5 Kb1 Re8 h4 h5 Bh6 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 Bxg7

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Ne5 Kb1 Re8 h4 h5 Bh6 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Nd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Ne5 Kb1 Re8 h4 h5 Bh6 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Nd5 e5 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Ne5 Kb1 Re8 h4 h5 Bh6 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Nd5 e5 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nb3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 Qxd3 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 Ne7

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 Ne7 h4 Bh6 a4 bxa4 Ncb4 O-O Rxa4 Nxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 Ne7 h4 Bh6 a4 bxa4 Ncb4 O-O Rxa4 Nxd5 Nxd5 a5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 Ne7 h4 Bh6 a4 bxa4 Ncb4 O-O Rxa4 Nxd5 Nxd5 a5 b4 Be6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 Ne7 h4 Bh6 a4 bxa4 Ncb4 O-O Rxa4 Nxd5 Nxd5 a5 b4 Be6 b5 Rc8

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 Ne7 a5 g5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 Qxd3 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bg5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 c5 dxc5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4 Qg4 Nge2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2056)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 Ne7 a5 g5 c4 Bg7

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nf6 Qe2

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4 Qg4 Nge2 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4 Qg4 Nge2 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 f4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emmanuel Brulland    (1371)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4 Qg4 Nge2 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 f4 Kf8 Rhg1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8

============

Contributors : George Clement


Matias Remus    (1822)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Ngf3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4 Qg4 Nge2 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 f4 Kf8 Rhg1 Rg8 Rdf1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nf6 e3 Nh5 Be5 Nd7 Be2 Nxe5 dxe5 g6 Bxh5 gxh5 O-O-O Qd7 e4 Qg4 Nge2 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 f4 Kf8 Rhg1 Rg8 Rdf1 Bxe4 Qxe4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Nbd7 d5 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Be3 h6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Be2 Qxa1 Qc2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Be3 h6 Ra2 b5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Be2 Qxa1 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Be3 h6 Ra2 b5 axb6 Rxb6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Be3 h6 Ra2 b5 axb6 Rxb6 Nb3 Rb8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Be3 h6 Ra2 b5 axb6 Rxb6 Nb3 Rb8 Na5 Nb7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 a5 Nc5 Bf3 O-O Re1 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Be3 h6 Ra2 b5 axb6 Rxb6 Nb3 Rb8 Na5 Nb7 Ba7 Ra8

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7 c4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6 d4 g6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 e6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6 d4 g6 Bb5 Nbd7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 e6 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 e6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6

Transpose to wikichess #11896#

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4 O-O-O Be3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4 O-O-O Be3 e5 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7 c4 Rd8 h3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4 O-O-O Be3 e5 Nc3 Qa5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 cxd4 O-O d5 Nxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4 O-O-O Be3 e5 Nc3 Qa5 Nxe5 Bxe2 Qxe2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 cxd4 O-O d5 Nxd4 e5 Nb3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6 d4 g6 Bb5 Nbd7 O-O Bg7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Clement    (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7 c4 Rd8 h3 Bd7 g4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf3 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 fxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 g6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 fxe5 Qh5 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 fxe5 Qh5 g6 Qxe5 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Bg2 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 Bb2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 Bb2 d6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 fxe5 Qh5 g6 Qxe5 Qe7 Qxh8 Qb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 g6 d4 Bd7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 fxe5 Qh5 g6 Qxe5 Qe7 Qxh8 Qb4 Nd2 Ne7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 Bb2 d6 Nf3 e5 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 Bb2 d6 Nf3 e5 d3 Ne7 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 Bb2 d6 Nf3 e5 d3 Ne7 Nbd2 Ng6 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6 d4 g6 Bb5 Nbd7 O-O Bg7 Nc3 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 g6 d4 Bd7 O-O Bg7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 g6 d4 Bd7 O-O Bg7 dxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 f6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 h5 d3 f6 Nc3 Nge7 e4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 g6 d4 Bd7 O-O Bg7 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6 d4 g6 Bb5 Nbd7 O-O Bg7 Nc3 O-O Re1 a6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6 Bg2 Be7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3 bxc3 Nxc3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 Nc6

Transpose to wikichess #2887#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 d6 g3 e5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 g6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 c6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb7 Rc1

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 c6 d3 Bf5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb7 Rc1 a6 Qe2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2 bxc4 dxc4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb7 Rc1 a6 Qe2 Nb6 h3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 c6 d3 Bf5 Nd2 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nf6 g3 d6 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 c6 d3 Bf5 Nd2 Nbd7 O-O Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb7 Rc1 a6 Qe2 Nb6 h3 Rac8 Bg5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 h6 cxd5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 h6 cxd5 exd5 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 h6 cxd5 exd5 Bd3 Nf6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2 bxc4 dxc4 Rac8 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O b4 Na4 Bd6 Ne5 Nbd7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Qc7 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb7 Rc1 a6 Qe2 Nb6 h3 Rac8 Bg5 Nfd5 Qg4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2 bxc4 dxc4 Rac8 O-O Ne7 Bg5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 g6 Bb2 Bg7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2 bxc4 dxc4 Rac8 O-O Ne7 Bg5 Bxc4 Bxf6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 g6 Bb2 Bg7 e3 f5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2 bxc4 dxc4 Rac8 O-O Ne7 Bg5 Bxc4 Bxf6 gxf6 Bxc4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 d4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 g6 Bb2 Bg7 e3 f5 Ne2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1459)
b3 d6 g3 e5 Bg2 g6 Bb2 Bg7 e3 f5 Ne2 Nc6 d3 Nce7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Jempty    (2014)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nc3 e5 d3 Bf5 Be3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Nh4 Be6 Qc2 b5 Be2 bxc4 dxc4 Rac8 O-O Ne7 Bg5 Bxc4 Bxf6 gxf6 Bxc4 Rxc4 Nf5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Bart Lemstra    (1909)
e4 e5 g3

Transpose to wikichess #72872#

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 d6 Nxc3 Be6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 d6 Nxc3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 d6 Nxc3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Qb3 Qc8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 d6 Nxc3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Qb3 Qc8 Nf3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 d6 Nxc3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Qb3 Qc8 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Ne2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Ne2 b6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 c3

Transpose to wikichess #27977#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O Bg4 Qb3 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O Bg4 Qb3 e6 Qxb7 Na5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Ne2 b6 O-O Bb7 f4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 e5 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 e5 d5 Bb5 c6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Kf1 Nf6 e5 d5 Bb5 c6 exf6 cxb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3 Bd7 Qd2

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Bart Lemstra    (1909)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e6 Nf3 Bxb4 Bb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e6 Nf3 Bxb4 Bb5 Bd7 a4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e6 Nf3 Bxb4 Bb5 Bd7 a4 Bxb5 axb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (1909)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Qe1

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3 Bd7 Qd2 Kh7 a3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3 Bd7 Qd2 Kh7 a3 Na6 b4

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e6 Nf3 Bxb4 Bb5 Bd7 a4 Bxb5 axb5 Nbd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (1909)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Qe1 b5 e5

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nf4 Nd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1600)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e6 Nf3 Bxb4 Bb5 Bd7 a4 Bxb5 axb5 Nbd7 O-O O-O d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Bart Lemstra    (1909)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Qe1 b5 e5 Nxe5 Qxe5

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3 Bd7 Qd2 Kh7 a3 Na6 b4 Ne8 Rab1

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3 Bd7 Qd2 Kh7 a3 Na6 b4 Ne8 Rab1 f5 b5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 d4

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Qd3 e5 d5 Nb4 Qd1 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Qe7 h3 Bd7 Qd2 Kh7 a3 Na6 b4 Ne8 Rab1 f5 b5 Nb8 b6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Patrick Satonnet    (1833)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Ne5 Nf6 Be2 d6

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Contributors : Davide Nudo, Patrick Satonnet

In this line with very sharp and complicated variation, d6 seems a mistake, at least imprecision.

Now, after Bh5+, the king have to go to e7 and his beshop is a prisonner, decisive in this kind of position where each tempo, piece and activity is precious.

If 5..Be7, (not 5..d6) , after Bh5+, the king go on f8, and the bishop is ok on e7 and position is unclar.


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 d4 Ng6 dxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 d4 Ng6 dxe5 dxe5 Nd2

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4 Be6 Ne4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd2 c6 Ne4 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd2 c6 Ne4 Qc7 Nxf6 gxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd2 c6 Ne4 Qc7 Nxf6 gxf6 c4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc6 O-O

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc6 O-O Ba6 Re1

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc6 O-O Ba6 Re1 dxe4 Be3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Clement    (2260)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 Ba7 O-O d6 Nbd2 O-O h3 h6 Re1 Nh5 Nf1 Qf6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nf4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 d4 Ng6 dxe5 dxe5 Nd2 Bf5 Qf3

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4 Be6 Ne4 Qc7 Bc5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4 Be6 Ne4 Qc7 Bc5 Rfd8 h5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4 Be6 Ne4 Qc7 Bc5 Rfd8 h5 f5 h6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4 Be6 Ne4 Qc7 Bc5 Rfd8 h5 f5 h6 fxe4 hxg7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2074)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Qe1 e5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5 Nxd5 h4 Be6 Ne4 Qc7 Bc5 Rfd8 h5 f5 h6 fxe4 hxg7 exf3 gxf3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3 dxc4 e4

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 Be2

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3 dxc4 e4 Bd7 Bxc4

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 Be2 d6 d4

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nd5 Bxd2

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 Be2 d6 d4 Bd7 d5

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3 dxc4 e4 Bd7 Bxc4 e6 a3

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 d6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 c5 d3 g6 Nf3 Nc6

Transpose to wikichess #66658#

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 Be2 d6 d4 Bd7 d5 Nxe4 Nbd2

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3 dxc4 e4 Bd7 Bxc4 e6 a3 Bd6 Bg5

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3 dxc4 e4 Bd7 Bxc4 e6 a3 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 Bxf6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 d6 a3 Be6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 d6 a3 Be6 Nc3 Re8

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 exd5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 exd5 a5 a3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 exd5 a5 a3 Kg8 Rhe1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Bb4 Ne5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 exd5 a5 a3 Kg8 Rhe1 Rc7 Re3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 exd5 a5 a3 Kg8 Rhe1 Rc7 Re3 b4 axb4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 d5 Nb8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Clement Beni    (1043)
c4 e6 a3

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4 exd4 Nb5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Nf6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Nf6 Bc4 a6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Nf6 Bc4 a6 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Nf6 Bc4 a6 O-O O-O d3 h6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4 exd4 Nb5 Qe7 Bf4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4 exd4 Nb5 Qe7 Bf4 Be5 Bd2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4 exd4 Nb5 Qe7 Bf4 Be5 Bd2 b6 f4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Clement Beni    (1043)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 e3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #24563#

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Nf6 Bc4 a6 O-O O-O d3 h6 a3 Be7

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4 exd4 Nb5 Qe7 Bf4 Be5 Bd2 b6 f4 Bg7 Ra1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O Ne7 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nd7 b4 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 c5 Nxd4 exd4 Nb5 Qe7 Bf4 Be5 Bd2 b6 f4 Bg7 Ra1 Rxa1 Qxa1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1600)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O Ne7 dxc5 Ng6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Clement Beni    (1043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Nf6 Bc4 a6 O-O O-O d3 h6 a3 Be7 Be3 d6

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Contributors : Clement Beni


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8 Bd3 cxd4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc6 O-O Ba6 Re1 dxe4 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3

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Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Qe2 Nf8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Qe2 Nf8 f5 exf5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc6 O-O Ba6 Re1 dxe4 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Qd5 Ng6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Qe2 Nf8 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Rc7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1510)
d4 e6 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2014)
Nf3 f5 e4 fxe4 Ng5 Nc6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 e6 Nc3 Bc5 Bb5 h6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 Ne4 Bb6 Bxc6 d5 h3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc6 O-O Ba6 Re1 dxe4 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Qd5 Ng6 Rf7 Qg4

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1510)
d4 e6 f4 d5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2118)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Nd1 Bb7 c3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Rc8 Nf2 Re8 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Qe2 Nf8 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Rc7 Nd2 Bc8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 e5 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 e5 Qe7 O-O Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 e5 Qe7 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 d4

Transpose to wikichess #13555#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 Nxe4 Qxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 O-O

Transpose to wikichess #19367#

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #8670#

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bg5 Be7 Bd3

Transpose to wikichess #41075#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8 Qb3 Qe7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8 Qb3 Qe7 axb5 axb5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8 Qb3 Qe7 axb5 axb5 Qxb5 Reb8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8 Qb3 Qe7 axb5 axb5 Qxb5 Reb8 dxe5 Bxe5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8 Qb3 Qe7 axb5 axb5 Qxb5 Reb8 dxe5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4 Nd5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 O-O d4 Bd6 Nbd2 h6 Re1 Re8 Ba2 Kf8 h3 Kg8 Qb3 Qe7 axb5 axb5 Qxb5 Reb8 dxe5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Qd3 Qe8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1510)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Qc7 Ne5 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5 Rc1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1583)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 d6 f4 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 h4 Nc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1583)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 d6 f4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1583)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 d6 f4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Qb3 Qc8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1583)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 d6 f4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Qb3 Qc8 Nf3 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 h4 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 h4 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 g5 hxg5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 h4 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Nc5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2135)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 h4 Nc4 Bxc4 Rxc4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Nc5 b3 Rxc3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 a3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 a3 h6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 a3 h6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 a6 Nc3 e6 a3 h6 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 Ne5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d6 Ne2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d6 Ne2 Nbd7 d3 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d6 Ne2 Nbd7 d3 e5 Nd2 c6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 d6 Ne2 Nbd7 d3 e5 Nd2 c6 O-O Nb6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 Re8

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 Re8 O-O Bc5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 Re8 O-O Bc5 d3 d6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bd6 e3 O-O Ne2 Re8 O-O Bc5 d3 d6 Nd2 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 Nbd7 c5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 Nbd7 c5 a6 b4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 f5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 O-O g6 b3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 f5 e3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 f5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 b5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1613)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b6 c4

Transpose to wikichess #18213#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 f5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 d3 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 O-O g6 b3 Ne7 Bg5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 f5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 d3 O-O O-O Be6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1387)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d6 Bg2 f5 e3 Nf6 Ne2 Be7 d3 O-O O-O Be6 Nd2 Bd5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1613)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1613)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Nc3 b5 Bb3 O-O d3 d6

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1613)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 Qf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6 Bxf7 Kxf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 b5 g4 Bb7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1613)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 Qf3 O-O cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Nc3 b5 Bb3 O-O d3 d6 Nd5 Na5

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 b5 g4 Bb7 Bg2 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Qxb4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 Na3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Nc3 b5 Bb3 O-O d3 d6 Nd5 Na5 Nxe7 Qxe7

Transpose to wikichess #42502#

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 Na3 d6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2 Nc4 Bc1

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 b3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 Na3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2 Nc4 Bc1 Nb6 dxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2 Nc4 Bc1 Nb6 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2 Nc4 Bc1 Nb6 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Bxd8 axb5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8 Be3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2 Nc4 Bc1 Nb6 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Bxd8 axb5 axb5 Rxa8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8 Be3 Bf8 Rae1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 a4 h6 Bd2 Na5 Bc2 Nc4 Bc1 Nb6 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Bxd8 axb5 axb5 Rxa8 Nxa8 Na3

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O Nf3 b5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O Nf3 b5 e5 Nd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O Nf3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 b3 O-O Bb2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1918)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 b3 O-O Bb2 e5 Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1613)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 Na3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8 Be3 Bf8 Rae1 Qa5 Qd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nb3 Bb4 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nb3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nb3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Nf3 f6 Ng3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4 Be7 Re1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4 Be7 Re1 O-O Bf4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Qc7 Ne5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4 Be7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Na6 Nd6

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1573)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ng5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4 Be7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Na6 Nd6 Bxd6 Qxd6

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 f5 Nge7 fxe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 f5 Nge7 fxe6 fxe6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 f5 Nge7 fxe6 fxe6 d3 d5 Bb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4 Be7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Na6 Nd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 Bxd6

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Contributors : George Clement


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Qf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 Bxc6 bxc6 a3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 d3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 Nd5

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 Nd5 Qd8 c3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 Nd5 Qd8 c3 Nf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 O-O

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


George Clement    (2210)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 b5 Nf3 Bb7 e4 Nxe4 Bxb5 Qa5 Nfd2 Bxd5 O-O Qxb5 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nc3 Qc6 Nxe4 Be7 Re1 O-O Bf4 Na6 Nd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 Bxd6 Rfe8 a3

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Bxf3 gxf3 O-O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O Bxc3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 d3 d6 Nd5 Qd8 c3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 O-O Bg5 Ne5

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 d6

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 Bxc6 bxc6 a3 Ba6 d3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 O-O Bg5 Ne5 O-O c6

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 d6 Bxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 O-O Bg5 Ne5 O-O c6 Ba4 b5

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 d6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 h6

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bf4

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 Bxc6 bxc6 a3 Ba6 d3 Nf6 h3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 d6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 h6 c4 Bg4

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bf4 dxc4 e4

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 Bxc6 bxc6 a3 Ba6 d3 Nf6 h3 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bf4 dxc4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd6 Bxc6 bxc6 a3 Ba6 d3 Nf6 h3 O-O O-O Rb8 Bg5

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bf4 dxc4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 Bxc4

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 Nd2 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 Nd2 e5 e3 f5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 Nd2 e5 e3 f5 Ne2 Bd6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 c4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2 Nf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bf4 dxc4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 Bxc4 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 Nd2 e5 e3 f5 Ne2 Bd6 g3 Be6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 Nd2 e5 e3 f5 Ne2 Bd6 g3 Be6 Bg2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bb2 d5 Nd2 e5 e3 f5 Ne2 Bd6 g3 Be6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 h4 h5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 h4 h5 O-O-O Rc8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 h4 h5 O-O-O Rc8 Bb3 Ne5

Transpose to wikichess #2110#

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Wayne LeMoine    (1300)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bf4 dxc4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 Bxc4 O-O Bd3 Nc6 Ne2

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Contributors : Wayne LeMoine


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 c4 Bg7 Nc3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 c4 Bg7 Nc3 O-O Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #70707#

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Be2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 d5 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Nc5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 d5 e5 Bd7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Nc5 Rd8 g4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1573)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 d5 e5 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 Qg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Nc5 Rd8 g4 Rd6 Bc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Nc5 Rd8 g4 Rd6 Bc4 Nb6 Qe4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2236)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Nc5 Rd8 g4 Rd6 Bc4 Nb6 Qe4 Nxc4 Qxc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1521)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 c6 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 c6 Nge2 Nbd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 c6 Nge2 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b3 e5 Bb2 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 e3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 d6 Ne3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Nf6 dxe4 d6 Ne3 Be7 Bd3 Qh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 a3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 a3 Be7 Bxb5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 a3 Be7 Bxb5 O-O Be2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 a3 Be7 Bxb5 O-O Be2 Re8 c4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
b4 b5 Bb2 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 a3 Be7 Bxb5 O-O Be2 Re8 c4 d5 cxd5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 Nd7 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #75847#

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 bxc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
b4 b5 e3 c6 Bb2 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 bxc4 Bxc4 d5 Be2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 e6 Nf3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #78416#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Nd2 a5

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1755)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 a6 Bd3

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1755)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nf3

============

Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1755)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nf3 e6 O-O

============

Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1755)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nf3 e6 O-O c5 c3

============

Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1755)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nf3 e6 O-O c5 c3 c4 Bc2

============

Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 c6 Qe2 Qc7 Ne5 Bxc2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1755)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nf3 e6 O-O c5 c3 c4 Bc2 Nbd7 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 Nc6 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1521)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 Nc6 d3 O-O Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nf3 e6 Bg5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 Be7 cxd5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 Be7 cxd5 Nxd5 Bxe7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Nd2 a5 Qd1 Re8

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 h6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 h6 O-O g6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 h6 O-O g6 c4 Bg7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 h6 O-O g6 c4 Bg7 Be3 d6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 h6 O-O g6 c4 Bg7 Be3 d6 Nc3 Ne7

Transpose to wikichess #106107#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 e6 O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Bg5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Nd2 a5 Qd1 Re8 g4 Be6

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Nd2 a5 Qd1 Re8 g4 Be6 h3 h5

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Nd2 a5 Qd1 Re8 g4 Be6 h3 h5 f4 Nf8

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Bart Lemstra    (2028)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 g6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 b5 Nf3 Nbd7 Rc1 Rc8 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Nd2 a5 Qd1 Re8 g4 Be6 h3 h5 f4 Nf8 f5 Bd7

============

Contributors : Bart Lemstra


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1551)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 f6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1551)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 f6 Nxg5 fxg5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1551)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 f6 Nxg5 fxg5 Qh5 Kd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1551)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 f6 Nxg5 fxg5 Qh5 Kd7 hxg5 Qe8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1551)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 f6 Nxg5 fxg5 Qh5 Kd7 hxg5 Qe8 Qg4 Kd8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 O-O Nd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 g5 h6 d3 hxg5 Bxg5 Qb6 Bc1 e5 e4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bg5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3 Nf6 Nf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 d6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3 Nf6 Nf4 exf4 Nb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 g5 h6 d3 hxg5 Bxg5 Qb6 Bc1 e5 e4 Nf6 Bg5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bg5 Bxb2 Bxf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 d6 d5 Nd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3 Nf6 Nf4 exf4 Nb5 c6 e4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7 Bb2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7 Bb2 Bd6 Ne5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
c3 Nf6 d4

Transpose to wikichess #14598#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7 Bb2 Bd6 Ne5 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 g5 h6 d3 hxg5 Bxg5 Qb6 Bc1 e5 e4 Nf6 Bg5 Ng4 Nf3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bg5 Bxb2 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3 Nf6 Nf4 exf4 Nb5 c6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 Bxc3 bxc3 c5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3 Nf6 Nf4 exf4 Nb5 c6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 cxb5 Bxb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 d6 d5 Nd7 Nc3 Ngf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Qg4 g6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1551)
Nh3 d5 e3 e5 Na3 Nf6 Nf4 exf4 Nb5 c6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 cxb5 Bxb5 Bd7 h3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bxc6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 d6 d5 Nd7 Nc3 Ngf6 Be2 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 d6 d5 Nd7 Nc3 Ngf6 Be2 O-O O-O a6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Bg4 exd5 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 d6 d5 Nd7 Nc3 Ngf6 Be2 O-O O-O a6 h3 Qc7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Bg4 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Qg4 g6 Nf3 Ne7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1328)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nd7 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Ngf6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Qg4 g6 Nf3 Ne7 Be2 Nbc6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1686)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Qg4 g6 Nf3 Ne7 Be2 Nbc6 dxc5 Qa5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 O-O g4 a5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nxe4 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nxe4 d5 Bxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 a3 Nc6 b4 cxb4 axb4 Nxb4 d4 d5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 a3 Nc6 b4 cxb4 axb4 Nxb4 d4 d5 c3 Nc6 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 a3 Nc6 b4 cxb4 axb4 Nxb4 d4 d5 c3 Nc6 exd5 Qxd5 Na3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 a3 Nc6 b4 cxb4 axb4 Nxb4 d4 d5 c3 Nc6 exd5 Qxd5 Na3 e5 Nb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 Qd2 b5 Bd3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qc7 h3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Ne7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 Qd2 b5 Bd3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qc7 h3 Bb7 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 e5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 b5 Bg2 Bb7 O-O Nfd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 c3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Ne7 dxc5 Nd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Ne7 dxc5 Nd7 Nd4 Nxe5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 d4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Ne7 dxc5 Nd7 Nd4 Nxe5 O-O a6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 Ne7 Bg5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 c3 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 c3 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 Ne7 Bg5 h6 Bh4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 c3 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c5 f4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Qa5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Qd3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 Ne7 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6 Ne2 b6 O-O Bb7 d3 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nd7 c3 dxe4 Nxe4 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bc4 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
b3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Bg2 O-O e3 Nc6 Ne2 b6 O-O Bb7 d3 d5 Nd2 e5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1327)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 e6 e5 a6 Nf3 Ne7 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Bb7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1595)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 d4

Transpose to wikichess #8595#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 f6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 f6 Nf3 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3

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Contributors : George Clement


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 a6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 a3 d6 b4 e6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 a3 d6 b4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 bxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 a3 d6 b4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 bxc5 Nxe4 cxd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nge2 e6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 a3 d6 b4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 bxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Bxd6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 a3 d6 b4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 bxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Bxd6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 a3 d6 b4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 bxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Bxd6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nge2 e6 Rc1 Be7

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1 a5 Rac1

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 g6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 Bg7 a4 dxe5 a5

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be3 Qa5 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be3 Qa5 Be2 Nf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O O-O e6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be3 Qa5 Be2 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O O-O e6 Be3 Bd6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Qc7 cxd4

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1 a5 Rac1 Rad8 Nb1

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O

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Contributors : George Clement


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1780)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 g6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 Bg7 a4 dxe5 a5 Nd5 dxe5

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1547)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nf3 d5 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #912#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Qc7 cxd4 Qxb7 Qd8

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1 a5 Rac1 Rad8 Nb1 Bxd2 Nxd2

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Bf4 Qb7

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1595)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 d4 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Bxf4 Bg7 Nc3 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1 a5 Rac1 Rad8 Nb1 Bxd2 Nxd2 Qc7 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Bf4 Qb7 d4 Rfd8

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 c5 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 O-O Nf6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 O-O Nf6 a3 Be7 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1 a5 Rac1 Rad8 Nb1 Bxd2 Nxd2 Qc7 Nf3 Nb6 Be2

============

Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Bf4 Qb7 d4 Rfd8 Rad1 a5

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Be7 f4 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Qb6 Bd2 Nbd7 Rfd1 a5 Rac1 Rad8 Nb1 Bxd2 Nxd2 Qc7 Nf3 Nb6 Be2 Nbd5 Ne5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Bf4 Qb7 d4 Rfd8 Rad1 a5 Nd3 Bc4

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Bf4 Qb7 d4 Rfd8 Rad1 a5 Nd3 Bc4 b3 Bb5

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Contributors : George Clement


George Clement    (2225)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Nc3 d6 e5 dxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Qc7 d3 c4 h3 Be6 Qe2 cxd3 cxd3 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Bf4 Qb7 d4 Rfd8 Rad1 a5 Nd3 Bc4 b3 Bb5 Qe3 Bxd3

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e6 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Be7 f4 Qc7 f5 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 O-O Nf6 a3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e6 Qe2 Be7 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e6 Qe2 Be7 f4 d6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e6 Qe2 Be7 f4 d6 Nf3 Qc7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bf5 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 O-O Be7 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 O-O Be7 Ne5 Bg6 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 O-O c3 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 O-O c3 Nd7 Qc2 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 h5 Bc4 Nh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6 O-O O-O d3 Re8

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6 O-O O-O d3 Re8 Nd2 Ne7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 h5 Bc4 Nh6 d4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 Qa5 c3

Transpose to wikichess #18610#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 Be6 g4 Be7

Transpose to wikichess #54120#

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O c5 Bb5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 h5 Bc4 Nh6 d4 d6 Nd3 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 h5 Bc4 Nh6 d4 d6 Nd3 f5 Nxf4 fxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O c5 Bb5 a6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5 Rxd5 Re8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1324)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O c5 Bb5 a6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5 Rxd5 Re8 Be3 g6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5 Rxd5 Re8 Be3 g6 Re5 Bf6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5 Rxd5 Re8 Be3 g6 Re5 Bf6 Rxe8 Qxe8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5 Rxd5 Re8 Be3 g6 Re5 Bf6 Rxe8 Qxe8 c3 c6

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nf3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Nd5 Bh4 Bd3 f5 Qe2 Bxd5 Rxd5 Re8 Be3 g6 Re5 Bf6 Rxe8 Qxe8 c3 c6 Re1 Qf8

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4 Bd7 Re1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1 Kh8 Be3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1 Kh8 Be3 Na6 Nh4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1 Kh8 Be3 Na6 Nh4 Bd7 Qc2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 Nf3 Bg4 c4 Nf6 Be2 c6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nc6 Rb1 h5 Bg2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nc6 Rb1 h5 Bg2 h4 Nge2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1 Kh8 Be3 Na6 Nh4 Bd7 Qc2 Nh5 O-O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 h3 O-O c3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 Nf3 Bg4 c4 Nf6 Be2 c6 Nc3 e6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nc6 Rb1 h5 Bg2 h4 Nge2 h3 Bf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nd7 a4 Bb4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Qc7 cxd4 Qxb7 Qd8 O-O dxc3

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 Nf3 Bg4 c4 Nf6 Be2 c6 Nc3 e6 O-O Nbd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 c3 Nxe4 Re1

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4 Bd7 Re1 Qc7 Bf1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nd7 a4 Bb4 Nbd2 Ne7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 Nf3 Bg4 c4 Nf6 Be2 c6 Nc3 e6 O-O Nbd7 h3 Bh5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 c3 Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1 Kh8 Be3 Na6 Nh4 Bd7 Qc2 Nh5 O-O-O Bf6 Nf5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nd7 a4 Bb4 Nbd2 Ne7 c3 Ba5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 O-O Nf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Qe8 Be2 f5 exf5 gxf5 g4 Nf6 gxf5 Bxf5 Rg1 Kh8 Be3 Na6 Nh4 Bd7 Qc2 Nh5 O-O-O Bf6 Nf5 Nb4 Qb1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 N8d7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 O-O Nf3 e4 Ne5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 O-O Nf3 e4 Ne5 a6 Qb3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 O-O Nf3 e4 Ne5 a6 Qb3 axb5 cxb5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1547)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nf3 a6 Nd6 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6

Transpose to wikichess #1524#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 f3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 Bd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 f3 Bf5 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Qc7 cxd4 Qxb7 Qd8 O-O dxc3 Rfe1 Kf8

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Contributors : George Clement


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 Bc4 Bg7

Transpose to wikichess #61798#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 f3 Bf5 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Clement    (2225)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qf3 Nd7 Qg3 c5 Nf3 Rxg7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Qc7 cxd4 Qxb7 Qd8 O-O dxc3 Rfe1 Kf8 Qb4 Kg8

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Contributors : George Clement


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4 Bd7 Re1 Qc7 Bf1 Ng4 Nd1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 f3 Bf5 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2 h6 Bh4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1539)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 f3 Bf5 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2 h6 Bh4 g5 Bf2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 Bd7 Ne5 Bd6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 Ne3 Nf6 Bc4 Qe5 d4 exd3 O-O Bd6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 Bd7 Ne5 Bd6 Ne4 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 Bd7 Ne5 Bd6 Ne4 Be7 Qf3 Nf6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O a3 Be7 Nf3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3 c5 Bc4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 b4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a3 a6 Ne5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 b4 Ne4 Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 axb5 cxb5 Be2 Bb7 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3 Nxc4 Nxf5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 b4 Ne4 Nd7 Bxc4 a5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3 Nxc4 Nxf5 Qf6 Ne3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3 Nxc4 Nxf5 Qf6 Ne3 Qxf4 Nxc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4 b4 Ne4 Nd7 Bxc4 a5 O-O Ngf6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3 Nxc4 Nxf5 Qf6 Ne3 Qxf4 Nxc4 Qc7 Qb3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3 Nxc4 Nxf5 Qf6 Ne3 Qxf4 Nxc4 Qc7 Qb3 b5 Ne3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Bf5 O-O e6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nbc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Na5 Ng3 Nxc4 Nxf5 Qf6 Ne3 Qxf4 Nxc4 Qc7 Qb3 b5 Ne3 Bd6 g3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4 Bd7 Re1 Qc7 Bf1 Ng4 Nd1 Bh6 f3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a3 a6 Ne5 Bb7 Qf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4 Bd7 Re1 Qc7 Bf1 Ng4 Nd1 Bh6 f3 Nf6 Ne3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 Nd2 c5 Rb1 Rb8 b3 b5 Qc2 e5 e4 Bd7 Re1 Qc7 Bf1 Ng4 Nd1 Bh6 f3 Nf6 Ne3 Nh5 Bd3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6

Transpose to wikichess #204#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7 h4 Nba4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6 d3 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7 h4 Nba4 Nxa4 Nxa4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6 d3 g5 h3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6 d3 g5 h3 d6 a3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6 d3 g5 h3 d6 a3 Bg7 c3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7 h4 Nba4 Nxa4 Nxa4 Bd3 Nc5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6 d3 g5 h3 d6 a3 Bg7 c3 Nf6 Be3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Nc5

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1533)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 h6 Bh4 b6 cxd5 Nxd5 Bxe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Nc6 d3 g5 h3 d6 a3 Bg7 c3 Nf6 Be3 a6 Nbd2 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Nc5 Bf5 Bb3

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 c5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Nc5 Bf5 Bb3 Nf4 Qf2

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Nc5 Bf5 Bb3 Nf4 Qf2 Rxd1 Rxd1

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Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 O-O Be7 e5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1556)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 e3 b5 a3 a6 Ne5 Bb7 Qf3 Nf6 b4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3 e5 Nd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 f4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 f4 Bd6 fxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 f4 Bd6 fxe5 Bxe5 Ngf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 f4 Bd6 fxe5 Bxe5 Ngf3 Bc7 c3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 f4 Bd6 fxe5 Bxe5 Ngf3 Bc7 c3 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ngf6 Ng5

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 Ne3 c6 d3 Bb4 dxe4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 Ne3 c6 d3 Bb4 dxe4 Nf6 Bd2 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ngf6 Ng5 c5 Be3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ngf6 Ng5 c5 Be3 Nd5 Qf3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 c5

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nc6 Bb5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6



============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4



============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4 exd4



============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4


============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5



============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nd5



============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nd5 cxd4



============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nc3 Qd6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nd5 cxd4 Bf4



============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5 e3 d4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ngf6 Ng5 c5 Be3 Nd5 Qf3 N7f6 a3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 c5 c6 b4

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


George Jempty    (1904)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 dxc4 d5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 dxc4 d5 Ne5 f4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Re3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 dxc4 d5 Ne5 f4 Nd7 e4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 dxc4 d5 Ne5 f4 Nd7 e4 Nb6 Bxc4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 d6

Transpose to wikichess #17215#

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5 e3 d4 exd4 cxd4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (1904)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 c3

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 c5 c6 b4 Nbd7 e3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


George Jempty    (1904)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 dxc4 d5 Ne5 f4 Nd7 e4 Nb6 Bxc4 c6 Bb3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 dxc4 d5 Ne5 f4 Nd7 e4 Nb6 Bxc4 c6 Bb3 e6 Qe2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Demchenko    (2223)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 c3 O-O Nbd2

Transpose to wikichess #67004#

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5 e3 d4 exd4 cxd4 Nb1 e5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 c4 d5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 f5 exf5 Nc6 d4 d5 Bb5 Bxf5 dxc5 Nf6 O-O a6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 Be2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 f5 exf5 Nc6 d4 d5 Bb5 Bxf5 dxc5 Nf6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 c5 c6 b4 Nbd7 e3 Be7 a4

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1533)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g6 h3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g6 h3 Bg7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g6 h3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3

Transpose to wikichess #41892#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 Be2 Nc6 h3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc6 d3 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5 e3 d4 exd4 cxd4 Nb1 e5 d3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 c4 d5 Nb8 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 c5 c6 b4 Nbd7 e3 Be7 a4 O-O b5

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 c4 d5 Nb8 Bxc4 bxc4 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5 e3 d4 exd4 cxd4 Nb1 e5 d3 Nf6 h3 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 d6 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 Bc5 Be3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 Bc5 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 Bc5 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 Nxe4 fxe4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 Bc5 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 Nxe4 fxe4 Qh4 g3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Brulland    (1307)
c4 e6 a3 c5 Nc3 d5 e3 d4 exd4 cxd4 Nb1 e5 d3 Nf6 h3 Nbd7 Bg5 h6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Brulland


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 c5 c6 b4 Nbd7 e3 Be7 a4 O-O b5 Qc7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5 Ng3 Nf6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Be2

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Bf5 Nh4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4 Bg7 e3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 Be2 Nc6 h3 Bf5 c3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 d5 b3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Bf5 Nh4 Bg6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Bf5 Nh4 Bg6 O-O e6 g3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5 Ng3 Nf6 Be2 h5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Qb6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5 Ng3 Nf6 Be2 h5 h4 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5 Ng3 Nf6 Be2 h5 h4 Nc6 c3 e6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 Be2 dxc4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 h6 Bxf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Qb6 Nxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Qb6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O g6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 Be2 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Qb6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O g6 e5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 d5 b3 e5 Ne2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc6 d3 Nxd4 cxd4 Bb4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 d5 b3 e5 Ne2 exd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc6 d3 Nxd4 cxd4 Bb4 Nc3 Qxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Bb3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5 Ng3 Nf6 Be2 h5 h4 Nc6 c3 e6 Nxh5 exf5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (2000)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 Be2 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Bb3 Nc5 Re1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
a3 g6 d4 Nf6 c4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 d5 b3 e5 Ne2 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nc2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Bb3 Nc5 Re1 Nd3 Re2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Bb3 Nc5 Re1 Nd3 Re2 Bg4 Bc2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 a3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 a3 Be7 e3

Transpose to wikichess #81065#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Jempty    (1904)
e4 c5 Ne2 f5 exf5 d5 Ng3 Nf6 Be2 h5 h4 Nc6 c3 e6 Nxh5 exf5 g3 Bd6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 e6 d3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #36325#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Qc7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Qc7 Nc3 a6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Qc7 Nc3 a6 Be3 b5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c5 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Qc7 Nc3 a6 Be3 b5 Nd5 Qd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Ba7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Ba7 e5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Be3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 e4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc6 d3 Nxd4 cxd4 Bb4 Nc3 Qxd4 Be2 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Ba7 e5 Nd5 Qg4 g6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 a6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 a6 Na4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Be3 Nf6 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Be3 Nf6 Nbd2 cxd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4 Nxd4 Qa5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Be3 Nf6 Nbd2 cxd4 Bxd4 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Be3 Nf6 Nbd2 cxd4 Bxd4 O-O Bd3 Nc6 Bc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Be3 Nf6 Nbd2 cxd4 Bxd4 O-O Bd3 Nc6 Bc3 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Bb2 Qc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Bb2 Qc5 Qd2 Nb6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 a6 Na4 Qa5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1533)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 a6 Na4 Qa5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Bb2 Qc5 Qd2 Nb6 a4 a5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 a6 Na4 Qa5 c3 Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Bb2 Qc5 Qd2 Nb6 a4 a5 Rec1 Nc4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Qc7 d4 Nbd7 c5 dxc5 Qc2 Re8 Re1 cxd4 cxd4 exd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Bb2 Qc5 Qd2 Nb6 a4 a5 Rec1 Nc4 Qf4 Qb6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 c6 g3 d5 Bg2 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #18322#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3 Nc6 Nxf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Nc4 Nh5 Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3 Nc6 Nxf5 gxf5 Qb3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1646)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 Bg7 e4 O-O Be2 a6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Nc4 Nh5 Be2 f3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 c3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 a3 Bxc5 b4 Bf8

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 c3 Nf6 Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 a3 Bxc5 b4 Bf8 Bb2 a5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 c3 Nf6 Be2 c5 b3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Qe7 Ba2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Qe7 Ba2 Bc7 c4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Qe7 Ba2 Bc7 c4 O-O Nc3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 O-O Nc6 Nc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 O-O Nc6 Nc3 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3 Nc6 Nxf5 gxf5 Qb3 Kh8 Ng5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7 Bd3 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O Ne4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3 Bb4 Bd2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 Bg2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
b4 f5 Nf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d6 a4 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 Bg2 O-O a3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Bb4 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O Ne4 Ne2 a5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 Bb4 a3 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Bd2 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Bxc3 Qb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3 d5 Bb2

Transpose to wikichess #92445#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Ne5 c6 Bf4 Nbd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Ne5 c6 Bf4 Nbd7 Nc4 Qb4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 a3 Bxc5 b4 Bf8 Bb2 a5 b5 Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 c3 Nf6 Be2 c5 b3 Bf5 Bb2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3 Nc6 Nxf5 gxf5 Qb3 Kh8 Ng5 Ne4 Nxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nxe5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxa3 Bb5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxa3 Bb5 Ke7 Rxa3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3 Nc6 Nxf5 gxf5 Qb3 Kh8 Ng5 Ne4 Nxe4 fxe4 Rd1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 Be7 Bg5 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 Be7 Bg5 h6 Bh4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qb6 dxc5 Qxc5 Be2 d6 Nfd2 Be6 O-O Qc8 Na3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc2 O-O Ne3 Nc6 Nxf5 gxf5 Qb3 Kh8 Ng5 Ne4 Nxe4 fxe4 Rd1 Qf5 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 a3 Bxc5 b4 Bf8 Bb2 a5 b5 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Qa4 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nxc6 bxc6 d3 O-O Be2 Re8 Nd2 Bg4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6 Ne3 Be6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3 Nc5 a4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3 Nc5 a4 O-O Be2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3 Nc5 a4 O-O Be2 b6 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3 Nc5 a4 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 b4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3 Nc5 a4 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 b4 Nd7 Qb3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6 Ne3 Be6 Qd3 Kh8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6 Ne3 Be6 Qd3 Kh8 a4 Na6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6 d4 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6 Ne3 Be6 Qd3 Kh8 a4 Na6 a5 Nd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6 Ne3 Be6 Qd3 Kh8 a4 Na6 a5 Nd5 Rb1 Bf7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc7 Qc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc7 Qc5 Qb7 b3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6 Bf4 b6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6 Bf4 b6 h3 Be6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 Ng4 Nfd4 a6 Qxg4 axb5 Nxb5 d6 Qd1 Qc6 f3 Nd7 Be3 Nc5 a4 O-O Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 b4 Nd7 Qb3 Rfc8 Ra3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Qe1 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emanuel Carrasco    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 g6 Bg5 Bg7

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Contributors : Emanuel Carrasco


Emanuel Carrasco    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nb3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emanuel Carrasco


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Qe1 Nc6 Qd2 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emanuel Carrasco    (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nb3 Nc6 a3 O-O

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Contributors : Emanuel Carrasco


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc7 Qc5 Qb7 b3 Bf5 Qa5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc7 Qc5 Qb7 b3 Bf5 Qa5 Rac8 Bd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emanuel Carrasco    (1800)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Nc6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emanuel Carrasco


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc7 Qc5 Qb7 b3 Bf5 Qa5 Rac8 Bd3 Rc3 Bxf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc7 Qc5 Qb7 b3 Bf5 Qa5 Rac8 Bd3 Rc3 Bxf5 Rxe3 Be4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d5 Nxe5 Re8 d4 f6 cxd5 Nxc3 Qd2 Nxd5 Nc4 Nb6 Ne3 Be6 Qd3 Kh8 a4 Na6 a5 Nd5 Rb1 Bf7 Rxb7 Nxe3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6 Bf4 b6 h3 Be6 cxd5 cxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6 Bf4 b6 h3 Be6 cxd5 cxd5 g4 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6 Bf4 b6 h3 Be6 cxd5 cxd5 g4 Nc6 Qd1 Ne7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 c6 Be3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Nxe4 O-O d6 Re1 Nf6 d4 e4 Nd2 d5 Qb3 Re8 Nf1 h6 Bf4 b6 h3 Be6 cxd5 cxd5 g4 Nc6 Qd1 Ne7 Rc1 Rc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bg4 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 c6 Be3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bg4 Nf3 e6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 Bd6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 d4 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 Bd6 Nf3 Ne7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 d4 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Bxf4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 Bd6 Nf3 Ne7 dxc6 Nbxc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 Bd6 Nf3 Ne7 dxc6 Nbxc6 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Qb3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 a5 Be3 Nc6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 c6 Rc1 Nfd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4 d3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 a5 Be3 Nc6 Nc3 Be7

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4 d3 e6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4 d3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 Ne4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 c6 Rc1 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be2 Bg4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be2 Bg4 O-O g6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 c6 Rc1 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 c5 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nge7 Nc3 Nf5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Ne2 Qd7

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 h6 Ne6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 h6 Ne6 Qb6 Nxf8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 h6 Ne6 Qb6 Nxf8 Nxf8 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 h5 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 Bg7 h5 Nxh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1779)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nge7 Nc3 Nf5 Na4 Bb4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 h5 h4 e6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 Bg7 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5 gxh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 Bg7 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5 gxh5 Qxh5 Kf8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 Bg7 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5 gxh5 Qxh5 Kf8 Nd5 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 h5 h4 e6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7 Bd3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 Bg5 dxc4 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 h5 h4 e6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Be7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7 Bd3 O-O Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nc3 h5 h4 e6 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Be7 Nf3 Nd7 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7 Bd3 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7 Bd3 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nbd7 c4 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7 Bd3 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nbd7 c4 h6 Bh4 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 Be7 Bd3 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nbd7 c4 h6 Bh4 c5 e5 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bxf6 exf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bxf6 exf6 Qh5 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bxf6 exf6 Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bxf6 exf6 Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bxf6 exf6 Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bd6 Nxf6 Kf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Bd7 Qd2 Rc8 f4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1744)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 Bd6 Nf3 Ne7 dxc6 Nbxc6 O-O O-O Ng5 Bf5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 dxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 dxc4 Bxc4 Nd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1534)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 dxc4 Bxc4 Nd7 O-O Nb6 b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Nxc6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
f4 e5 fxe5 Nc6 d4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Nxc6 Nxc3 Nxd8

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Nxc6 Nxc3 Nxd8 Nxd1 Nxf7

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nxe4 Nxc6 Nxc3 Nxd8 Nxd1 Nxf7 Kxf7 Bc4

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
f4 e5 fxe5 Nc6 d4 Qh4 g3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
f4 e5 fxe5 Nc6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
f4 e5 fxe5 Nc6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Kd1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
f4 e5 fxe5 Nc6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Kd1 d6 exd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
f4 e5 fxe5 Nc6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Kd1 d6 exd6 Bf5 Na3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 d5 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6 Bc4 Nc6 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 h6 Bh4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 Ne5 e6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 d5 O-O Nf3 Qe7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1847)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 Ne7 g3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1847)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 Ne7 g3 Nbc6 Bg2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1847)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 Ne7 g3 Nbc6 Bg2 Ng6 Qa4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1847)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 Ne7 g3 Nbc6 Bg2 Ng6 Qa4 Bc5 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1847)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 Ne7 g3 Nbc6 Bg2 Ng6 Qa4 Bc5 O-O O-O d3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 d5 O-O Nf3 Qe7 Bd3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1 d4 Bh6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1 d4 Bh6 d3 Bd1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 c5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 c5 dxc5 d4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 b5 Bf1 Nd4 c3

Transpose to wikichess #25040#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5 g4 Bg6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5 g4 Bg6 h4 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 Ne5 e6 Bg5 Bb4 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 c5 dxc5 d4 Nb5 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 c5 dxc5 d4 Nb5 Nc6 e3 e5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 c5 dxc5 d4 Nb5 Nc6 e3 e5 exd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 c5 dxc5 d4 Nb5 Nc6 e3 e5 exd4 Nxd4 Ne2 Bxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nc6 f3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1534)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 Ne5 e6 Bg5 Bb4 e3 Nbd7 Nxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 g6 Be3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nc6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 e6 f4

Transpose to wikichess #11663#

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Be7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Be7 Bg5 a6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nc6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 f4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Nf3 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Nf3 h6 c3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Nf3 h6 c3 d6 Qc2 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Nf3 h6 c3 d6 Qc2 e6 Nbd2 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Nf3 h6 c3 d6 Qc2 e6 Nbd2 Ne7 O-O Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1 d4 Bh6 d3 Bd1 Nxc5 Nxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qd3 b6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qd3 b6 e4 Ba6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1 d4 Bh6 d3 Bd1 Nxc5 Nxc5 bxc5 Re1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bf4 Bg7 Qd2 O-O

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5 g4 Bg6 h4 h5 g5 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1 d4 Bh6 d3 Bd1 Nxc5 Nxc5 bxc5 Re1 Bf5 Bxg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 b6 Nb3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 dxc5 Ne4 O-O Nc6 c4 Be6 Qc1 d4 Bh6 d3 Bd1 Nxc5 Nxc5 bxc5 Re1 Bf5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1558)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be3

Transpose to wikichess #124606#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5 g4 Bg6 h4 h5 g5 e6 Nc3 Bd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bf4 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O c6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O Nf3 b6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5 g4 Bg6 h4 h5 g5 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh3 Bf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
d4 d5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Bf5 g4 Bg6 h4 h5 g5 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh3 Bf5 Bxd6 Qxd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bf4 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O c6 Bh6 b5

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O Nf3 b6 Bd3 Bb7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bf4 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O c6 Bh6 b5 f3 b4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O Nf3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Qxc7

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8 a4 Nh7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O Nf3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Qxc7 Qb1 h6

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 d3 d4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bd6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bf4 Bg7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O c6 Bh6 b5 f3 b4 Nce2 Qa5

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Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8 a4 Nh7 Be3 Rb8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 Nc3 Ng6 d4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8 a4 Nh7 Be3 Rb8 Rc1 Qd8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bd6 e3 O-O

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nge7 e3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bd6 e3 O-O exd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nge7 e3 d6 Nge2

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8 a4 Nh7 Be3 Rb8 Rc1 Qd8 b4 Bf6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 Nc3 Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8 a4 Nh7 Be3 Rb8 Rc1 Qd8 b4 Bf6 Nxh5 gxh5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nge7 e3 d6 Nge2 Bg4 h3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 Nc3 Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nge7 e3 d6 Nge2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2052)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bg5 h6 Be3 a6 h4 h5 Bg5 Qe8 a4 Nh7 Be3 Rb8 Rc1 Qd8 b4 Bf6 Nxh5 gxh5 Bxh5 Kh8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O Nf3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Qxc7 Qb1 h6 g4 Qe7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3 Bc6 h4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3 Bc6 h4 Bxf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 Nc3 Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Bxd4 Bxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Bd6 Bd3 Nbd7 e4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nge7 e3 d6 Nge2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a3 a6 g4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 Nc3 Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Bxd4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3 Rf7 Nh2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2048)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Nb6 a4 a6 a5 axb5 axb6 Rxa1 Qxa1 Nc6 c3 b4 bxc7 O-O Nf3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Qxc7 Qb1 h6 g4 Qe7 Qc1 Rc8

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O g4 Re8

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Bd6 Bd3 Nbd7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O g4 Re8 Bd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O g4 Re8 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 h5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1807)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Bd6 Bd3 Nbd7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxe4

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3 Bc6 h4 Bxf3 Qxf3 Bxh4 Ne4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bd3 h6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bd3 h6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bd3 h6 O-O Bd6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O g4 Re8 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 h5 Bb5 Qxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O g4 Re8 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 h5 Bb5 Qxd4 Rxd4 a6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 c6 Be3 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd3 Qe7 Nd4 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Nf5 Qf6 O-O-O O-O g4 Re8 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 h5 Bb5 Qxd4 Rxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3 Rf7 Nh2 Bb7 Ng4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (2021)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Nd7 Nbd2 Na5 Bc2 c5 d5 Nb6 Nf1 f5 exf5 Bxd5 Ng3 Rf7 Nh2 Bb7 Ng4 Nd7 Be4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 g6 g3

Transpose to wikichess #34609#

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4 Nf1 Qf2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Bd6 Nf3 Nd7 e3 Ngf6 c4 e4 Nd4 dxc4 Bxc4 a5 b5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1794)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d3 d6 Bg5

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4 Nf1 Qf2 Bb1 h4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nf6 Rb1

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4 Nf1 Qf2 Bb1 h4 Qd2 Qxd2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7

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Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 g6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1857)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nf6 Rb1 cxb4 axb4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4 Nf1 Qf2 Bb1 h4 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O e6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4 c6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 Be3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O e6 c3 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 d4

Transpose to wikichess #83798#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O e6 c3 Bd6 Bg5 O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4 Nf1 Qf2 Bb1 h4 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 Nb5 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 Be3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 Be3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ngf6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
Nf3 d6 c4 c6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 Be3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ngf6 h3 Bxf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1733)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 exf3 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O e6 c3 Bd6 Bg5 O-O Nd2 h6

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


George Jempty    (2077)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be7 c4 a5 Nc3 a4 Nd2 Bd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Qb6 Kh1 h5 Re1 Nb4 Nf1 Qf2 Bb1 h4 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 Nb5 O-O Bc3 Na7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nc3 d5

Transpose to wikichess #4307#

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Qb6 Bc1

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Qb6 Bc1 e6 c4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 d6 a3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 d6 a3 Ba5 Nf3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 d6 a3 Ba5 Nf3 Nd7 Be2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 e6 f3 Bd6 Bxd6 Nxd6 e4 b5 Nc3 b4 Na4 Qc7 Nh3 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 e6 f3 Bd6 Bxd6 Nxd6 e4 b5 Nc3 b4 Na4 Qc7 Nh3 O-O c3 bxc3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nf3 c5

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nf3 c5 c3 Be7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nf3 c5 c3 Be7 e5 Qf5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nf3 c5 c3 Be7 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qg4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2087)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nf3 c5 c3 Be7 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qg4 h3 Qf4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 O-O Nbd7 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #86588#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ndf6 Ng5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ndf6 Ng5 Qd5 N1f3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ndf6 Ng5 Qd5 N1f3 h6 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 a3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 Re1 Nc6 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 a5 Be2 Na6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 a5 Be2 Na6 h4 h5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5 Qe3 Qa4

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 a3 O-O Qc2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 cxd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 a3 O-O Qc2 Nc6 h3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #110892#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 a3 O-O Qc2 Nc6 h3 Be6 d3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1966)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 c5 O-O Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qc7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5 Qe3 Qa4 b3 Bxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ndf6 Ng5 Qd5 N1f3 h6 c4 Qa5 Bd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 Bg7 h4 f5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 Bg7 h4 f5 Nd2 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Nf6 Nd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Nf6 Nd2 e6 Ngf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Nf6 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nbd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 c6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Nf6 Nd2 e6 Ngf3 Nbd7 O-O Be7 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 Bg7 h4 f5 Nd2 c5 c3 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 c3 cxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 Bg7 h4 f5 Nd2 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 c4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb6 Nc3 Qa5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5 Qe3 Qa4 b3 Bxd4 cxd4 Qa5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1636)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 c4 O-O Nc6 b3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb6 Nc3 Qa5 Qc2 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5 Qe3 Qa4 b3 Bxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd3 g6

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb6 Nc3 Qa5 Qc2 d5 f3 Nxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb6 Nc3 Qa5 Qc2 d5 f3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 g6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 Bg7 h4 f5 Nd2 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 O-O Be2 Re8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1742)
c4 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5

Transpose to wikichess #50690#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 h4 c5 dxc5 Qa5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 h4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Nxg5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1742)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 h4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Nxg5 hxg5 g6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5 Qe3 Qa4 b3 Bxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd3 g6 Qf4 Rde8

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 h4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Nxg5 hxg5 g6 Rh4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 h4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Nxg5 hxg5 g6 Rh4 Nc6 Rc4 Ne5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1636)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 h4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Nxg5 hxg5 g6 Rh4 Nc6 Rc4 Ne5 Rh4 Qxc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1742)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c4 dxc4 dxc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1742)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1676)
e4 d5 g4

Transpose to wikichess #7030#

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Re1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Re1 Ng4 Rf1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Re1 Ng4 Rf1 O-O d3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1676)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 O-O O-O-O

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1676)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 O-O O-O-O h3 Bxf3

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli    (1676)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 O-O O-O-O h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emmanuel Eduardo Ranalli


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Re1 Ng4 Rf1 O-O d3 d6 c3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Re1 Ng4 Rf1 O-O d3 d6 c3 f5 Bg5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 d6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1742)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6 Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 d6 e4 bxc4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Demchenko    (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Be6 O-O-O Qd7 Kb1 Bf6 h4 O-O-O Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Be5 Qe3 Qa4 b3 Bxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd3 g6 Qf4 Rde8 Qf6 Bd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Demchenko


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 d6 e4 bxc4 Bxc4 g6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 d6 e4 bxc4 Bxc4 g6 Nf3 Bg7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 d6 e4 bxc4 Bxc4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O Nbd7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 d6 e4 bxc4 Bxc4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O Nbd7 h3 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3 d5 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Nge7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1742)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6 Be3 Bb4 Nge2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 c4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 Bc4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1742)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6 Be3 Bb4 Nge2 Ne7 a3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 Na6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 c4 Nf6 Qb3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 Bc4 d6 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 Bc4 d6 d4 O-O Be3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 Bc4 d6 d4 O-O Be3 Kh8 d5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 c4 Nf6 Qb3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 Nc3 Bc5 d3

Transpose to wikichess #97071#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 d5 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Bd3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 c4 Nf6 Qb3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 e3 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Nge7 Ng3 b6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 c4 Nf6 Qb3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 e3 O-O c5 a5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 c4 Nf6 Qb3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 e3 O-O c5 a5 Rc1 Rb8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 Na6 Be2 h5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 Na6 Be2 h5 Bg5 Qe8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #52531#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 c3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Nge7 Ng3 b6 Be2 Bb7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 c3 exf4 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 c3 exf4 d4 Bb6 Bxf4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 c3 exf4 d4 Bb6 Bxf4 Nc6 e5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3 d5 d4 Be7 c4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3 d5 d4 Be7 c4 O-O Be2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 c5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3 d5 d4 Be7 c4 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Nxe5 Qxe4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
b4 f5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nf6 e3 d5 d4 Be7 c4 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Nxe5 Qxe4 Qe7 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1957)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Nxe5 Qxe4 Qe7 Nc3 Ng6 Qxe7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bc4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 d5 Bb5

Transpose to wikichess #48211#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 d4 Bd7 Nc3 exd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 b6 e3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 b6 e3 c5 c4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 h5 h3 c6 Nf3 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bf4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Qe2 Ndf6 Nf3 Bg4 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 b6 e3 c5 c4 cxb4 axb4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 h5 h3 c6 Nf3 Nbd7 e5 Nd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5 Be7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bf4 O-O Bd3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Nge7 Ng3 b6 Be2 Bb7 Qd2 Qd7

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Nge7 Ng3 b6 Be2 Bb7 Qd2 Qd7 O-O h5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O Bg6 Nbd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O Bg6 Nbd2 Nf5 Nb3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Nge7 Ng3 b6 Be2 Bb7 Qd2 Qd7 O-O h5 h4 g5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2 Rd1 O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Qa5 a3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2 Rd1 O-O Be2 Re8

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2 Rd1 O-O Be2 Re8 O-O f6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 O-O Ng3 e5 d5 c6 Be2 cxd5 cxd5 a5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2 Rd1 O-O Be2 Re8 O-O f6 exf6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2 Rd1 O-O Be2 Re8 O-O f6 exf6 Nxf6 Ne5 Ne4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 b6 e3 c5 c4 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Nf3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 h5 h3 c6 Nf3 Nbd7 e5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 b6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Qa5 a3 dxc4 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 cxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Qb6 Qc1 g5 c3 cxd4 Nexd4 gxf4 Bxf4 Bg7 Qe3 Qxb2 Rd1 O-O Be2 Re8 O-O f6 exf6 Nxf6 Ne5 Ne4 Ndxc6 bxc6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 b6 e3 c5 c4 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Nf3 O-O Be2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Be2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bf4 O-O Bd3 Nxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O Bg6 Nbd2 Nf5 Nb3 Nd7 Bd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 cxd5 exd5 Ne5 Bd6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Qa5 a3 dxc4 d5 Ne5 Qd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 e3 Qb6 b3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 b6 e3 c5 c4 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Nf3 O-O Be2 Bb7 Qb3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nd1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bf4 O-O Bd3 Nxd5 exd5 Re8 Kf1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nd1 Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nd1 Bg4 d3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 e3 Qb6 b3 Nc6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5 Be7 Bf4 d6 Nxd4 O-O Nc3 d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nd1 Bg4 d3 Bxf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nd1 Bg4 d3 Bxf3 Qxf3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nd1 Bg4 d3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Ng5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 e3 Qb6 b3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 Nf3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4 Bxf4 h3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 e3 Qb6 b3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 Nf3 cxd4 exd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 e3 Qb6 b3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Qa5 Bd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 Ba4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Be2 h6 O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 Nxf6 gxf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nh6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nh6 Qd2 Nf7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nh6 Qd2 Nf7 Nf3 d5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nh6 Qd2 Nf7 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 f5 Bg5 g6 Nd2 Bg7 e4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nh6 Qd2 Nf7 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nc6 O-O-O Bg4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 Nxf6 gxf6 O-O d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bd3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 e4 d6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Nd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 Qb6 Qc2 e6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Nd7 Nf3 g6 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 Qb6 Qc2 e6 Nbd2 Bf5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 e4 d6 d4 Bg7

Transpose to wikichess #32914#

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Nd7 Nf3 g6 O-O Bg7 c4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 Qb6 Qc2 e6 Nbd2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 Ba4 c6 Re1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Be2 h6 O-O d6 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 Qb6 Qc2 e6 Nbd2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxb2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3 a5 bxa5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4 Bxf4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3 a5 bxa5 c6 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3 a5 bxa5 c6 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4 Bxf4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Be5 Rad1

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4 Bxf4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Be5 Rad1 Qe7 Qg4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Be2 h6 O-O d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 c3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1902)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Nxd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Nxd5 exd5 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Nxd5 exd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Nxd5 exd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Nxd5 exd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qxd5 d6 exd6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4 Bxf4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Be5 Rad1 Qe7 Qg4 g6 f4

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2153)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 a6 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf4 d4 Bd6 Ne4 exd4 Bxf4 Bxf4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Be5 Rad1 Qe7 Qg4 g6 f4 Bf6 f5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5 Bb4 Bd2

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 Bxb4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 Bxb4 Qxe5 Na3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1457)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Be7 Nxd4 Nxd5 exd5 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 Bf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 c3 Ng6 O-O

Transpose to wikichess #10865#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 cxd5 exd5 Ne5 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O d5

Transpose to wikichess #137091#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nbd7 Bf4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bc5 Qxe4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Bc5 Qxe4 O-O Bd3 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 a3 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Be7 Nxe7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Be7 Nxe7 Qxe7 Bf4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2222)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Nd2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a6 Nc3 d6

Transpose to wikichess #134033#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Ne2 cxd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qg4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qg4 Nxe5 Qxe4

Transpose to wikichess #135773#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 a4 Qa5 Bd2 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxa6 e4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 e6 Nc3 exd5 Nxd5 Nxa6 e4 Nxd5 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 a4 Qa5 Bd2 c4 Qg4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 O-O Be2 d6

Transpose to wikichess #91951#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 g3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 g3 Nf6 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 a6 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 a6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1676)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Bd6 Re1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 O-O h4 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 a6 Ng3 h5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 O-O h4 c5 d5 d6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 O-O h4 c5 d5 d6 Be2 e6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 O-O h4 c5 d5 d6 Be2 e6 h5 exd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 a6 Ng3 h5 h3 h4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 O-O h4 c5 d5 d6 Be2 e6 h5 exd5 exd5 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 d6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 f5 c4 g6 g3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 a6 Ng3 h5 h3 h4 Nge2 b5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nge2 a6 Ng3 h5 h3 h4 Nge2 b5 cxb5 axb5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1950)
d4 f5 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Nf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1409)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1409)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O c3 d6

Transpose to wikichess #89049#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1409)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Qb6 e5 Bc5 Ndb5 Bxf2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1409)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Qb6 e5 Bc5 Ndb5 Bxf2 Ke2 Nd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1409)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Qb6 e5 Bc5 Ndb5 Bxf2 Ke2 Nd5 Nd6 Ke7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #9404#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 Bg5 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb7 Nc3 Be7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h4 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h4 c5 d5 e6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb7 Nc3 Be7 Bg3 Bb4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb7 Nc3 Be7 Bg3 Bb4 e3 Ne4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h4 c5 d5 e6 Be2 exd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb7 Nc3 Be7 Bg3 Bb4 e3 Ne4 Qc2 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1998)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h4 c5 d5 e6 Be2 exd5 exd5 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 dxc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nd7 Nge2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nd7 Nge2 Ne7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6 b5 Nd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nd7 Nge2 Ne7 O-O Nb6 Bb3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 f4 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 f4 d5 d3 Bd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 f4 d5 d3 Bd7 fxe5 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 f4 d5 d3 Bd7 fxe5 c5 bxc6 Nxc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bxc4 Nbc6 Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 f4 d5 d3 Bd7 fxe5 c5 bxc6 Nxc6 exd5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bxc4 Nbc6 Be3 O-O a3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Na6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Na6 a3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Na6 a3 c5 b5 Nc7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Na6 a3 c5 b5 Nc7 c4 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nc6 Qd2 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nc6 Qd2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Qa5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Na6 a3 c5 b5 Nc7 c4 d5 Qc1 dxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nc6 Qd2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Qa5 Qd2 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 Nc6 Qa4 Nd5 a3 Bg7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 Nc6 Qa4 Nd5 a3 Bg7 Qe4 Nb6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 Nc6 Qa4 Nd5 a3 Bg7 Qe4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d6 g3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d6 g3 Be7 Bg2 Bd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d6 g3 Be7 Bg2 Bd7 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d6 g3 Be7 Bg2 Bd7 O-O O-O b3 Qc7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1587)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2 Bb7 Rad1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2 Bb7 Rad1 Rfd8 Nf1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6 Bg5 f6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Bc1 a5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Bc1 a5 Be3 Nc7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2 Bb7 Rad1 Rfd8 Nf1 Ba6 f3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2 Bb7 Rad1 Rfd8 Nf1 Ba6 f3 c5 Rxd8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Bc1 a5 Be3 Nc7 Bd1 Ne6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2 Bb7 Rad1 Rfd8 Nf1 Ba6 f3 c5 Rxd8 Rxd8 Rc1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 c3 Be7 d4 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Rxd1 Bg4 Re1 b6 Be3 Bc8 Nd2 Bb7 Rad1 Rfd8 Nf1 Ba6 f3 c5 Rxd8 Rxd8 Rc1 Rd3 c4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Bc1 a5 Be3 Nc7 Bd1 Ne6 Nh4 a4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 h3 O-O Be2 Ne7 Qc2 Ng6 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 c5 Be3 Ne8 h4 Ne7 h5 Nc6 Bg5 f6 Bc1 a5 Be3 Nc7 Bd1 Ne6 Nh4 a4 O-O Ncd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3 e6 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 c3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 c3 Bc5 d4 exd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 d3 Bg7 Bg2

Transpose to wikichess #961#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 c3 Bc5 d4 exd4 e5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 c3 Bc5 d4 exd4 e5 Nxe5 Qe2 c6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 c3 Bc5 d4 exd4 e5 Nxe5 Qe2 c6 Bd3 d6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nbd7 c4 e6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nbd7 c4 e6 O-O Be7

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nbd7 c4 e6 O-O Be7 Qb3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3 e6 Bg2 Bb4 c3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5 c3 Bb7

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nbd7 c4 e6 O-O Be7 Qb3 Qb6 Qxb6 Nxb6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 c3 Bc5 d4 exd4 e5 Nxe5 Qe2 c6 Bd3 d6 cxd4 Bb4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Ng4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Ng4 Qe2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Ng4 Qe2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5 c3 Bb7 Ne5 Bd6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Be2 Be7

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Be3 Nc5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3 e6 Bg2 Bb4 c3 Bd6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 axb4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3 e6 Bg2 Bb4 c3 Bd6 O-O h6 Re1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5 c3 Bb7 Ne5 Bd6 f4 Nc6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Ba5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Qxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3 e6 Bg2 Bb4 c3 Bd6 O-O h6 Re1 Nf6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Ba5 e3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Ba5 e3 Bg4 Be2 Qd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1574)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 g3 e6 Bg2 Bb4 c3 Bd6 O-O h6 Re1 Nf6 Nbd2 Nbd7 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
Nf3 e6 c4 b6 g3 Bb7

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O c4 b6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 a6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 c4 Bc2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nf3 h6 O-O Be6 a3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nd5 Kd8

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 c4 Bc2 Bd6 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 O-O Na6 h3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nd5 Kd8 Nb6 Ra7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 c4 Bc2 Bd6 O-O Ne7 Ne5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Bd3 d6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 b5 Nf4 exd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 b5 Nf4 exd5 Nfxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Ba5 e3 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 Na3 O-O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 h6

Transpose to wikichess #75639#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Qa4 Bd7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 a6

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd6 c3 a6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Bd3 d6 O-O Nb4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 Qe2

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Qa4 Bd7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 a6 d4 b5

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
c4 e6 d4 b6

Transpose to wikichess #21158#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd6 c3 a6 d4 Ba7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O Nf6 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #124072#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 Nbd2 Nf6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 Qe2 cxd4 O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Bd3 c4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd6 c3 a6 d4 Ba7 dxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Bd3 d6 O-O Nb4 Bc4 dxe5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Bd3 c4 Bc2 b5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Bf4 d6 e3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd6 c3 a6 d4 Ba7 dxe5 Nxe5 Bf4 Qc5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Bd3 c4 Bc2 b5 b3 Qa5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Ba5 e3 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 Na3 O-O-O Nc4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Bf4 d6 e3 O-O h3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Bd3 c4 Bc2 b5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bb7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Qa4 Bd7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 a6 d4 b5 Qb3 Bg7

============

Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Bf4 d6 e3 O-O h3 c5 d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 e6 c4 Nb6 Nc3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 e6 c4 Nb6 Nc3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Bg2 gxh2 Kf1 hxg1Q Kxg1 Qg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 e6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O O-O Ng4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 e6 c4 Nb6 Nc3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 Be3 d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1574)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 exf4 Bxg7 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Bg2 gxh2 Kf1 hxg1Q Kxg1 Qg4 Bxh8 f6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 e6 Nc3 Bxc5 Nxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O O-O Ng4 h3 Nxf2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 e6 c4 Nb6 Nc3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 Be3 d5 c5 Nd7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 f3 exf3 Qxf3 Nc6 Nb5 Kd8

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 a4 Nc6 d4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1800)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Bf4 d6 e3 O-O h3 c5 d5 Qa5 Be2

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1 Rh8 h3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1 Rh8 h3 Qg8 Nd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 e6 Nc3 Bxc5 Nxd5 exd5 Bxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O O-O Ng4 h3 Nxf2 Rxf2 Bxf2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 a4 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O O-O Ng4 h3 Nxf2 Rxf2 Bxf2 Kxf2 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1 Rh8 h3 Qg8 Nd2 Ng4 a4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1317)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Bf4 d6 e3 O-O h3 c5 d5 Qa5 Be2 Ne4 Rc1

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1 Rh8 h3 Qg8 Nd2 Ng4 a4 a5 Nc4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1 Rh8 h3 Qg8 Nd2 Ng4 a4 a5 Nc4 Ba7 f5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 d6 Qd3 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Kg7 f4 exd4 Kh1 Rh8 h3 Qg8 Nd2 Ng4 a4 a5 Nc4 Ba7 f5 Kf8 Bf4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Qa4 Bd7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 a6 d4 b5 Qb3 Bg7 e4 c5

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 a4 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 d5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Nbd2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Nbd2 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Be6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4 Qd7 Nxf6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4 Qd7 Nxf6 Bxf6 Nd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Be6 Nc3 O-O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 a4 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Nbd2 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8 Be3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4 Qd7 Nxf6 Bxf6 Nd2 O-O d5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Nbd2 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8 Be3 Nf6 dxc5 Qxd1

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 a4 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf5 Nb4 Bc4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 a4 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf5 Nb4 Bc4 d5 Bb3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Bc4 g6 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #70989#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be3 e6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4 Qd7 Nxf6 Bxf6 Nd2 O-O d5 Ne7 Ne4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4 Qd7 Nxf6 Bxf6 Nd2 O-O d5 Ne7 Ne4 Nxd5 Qd1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be3 e6 dxc5 Nf6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Qe2 Bc5 O-O

============

Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 d6 c3 f5 exf5 Bxf5 O-O Bd3 Re1 Be7 Bc2 Bxc2 Qxc2 g5 d4 g4 Nfd2 Nf6 Ne4 Qd7 Nxf6 Bxf6 Nd2 O-O d5 Ne7 Ne4 Nxd5 Qd1 Qe6 Bh6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 Bxg3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 Bxg3 hxg3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Bc4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Qe2 Bc5 O-O O-O c3

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 Be7 e3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 Bxg3 hxg3 Nbd7 c4 c6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Bc4 Nb6 Be2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5

Transpose to wikichess #21820#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Bc4 Nb6 Be2 Nc6 d4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Bc4 Nb6 Be2 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nb5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Bc4 Nb6 Be2 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nb5 d6 Bg5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bb6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3 d6 Be3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 Bxg3 hxg3 Nbd7 c4 c6 Nc3 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Qe2 Bc5 O-O O-O c3 Re8 d3

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3 d6 Be3 Qh5 Qxh5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Bf4 a6 Bd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 h3 e6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 h3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3 d6 Be3 Qh5 Qxh5 Nxh5 Nd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 h3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 c5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 h3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 c5 c3 b6 b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Qe2 Bc5 O-O O-O c3 Re8 d3 h6 Be3

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Juan Geremia Gadamer    (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Qe2 Bc5 O-O O-O c3 Re8 d3 h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3

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Contributors : Juan Geremia Gadamer


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 h3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 c5 c3 b6 b3 Bb7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3 d6 Be3 Qh5 Qxh5 Nxh5 Nd2 Nf6 Ng5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3 d6 Be3 Qh5 Qxh5 Nxh5 Nd2 Nf6 Ng5 Bf5 Bg2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
d4 f5 g3 g6 h4 c5 h5 Bg7 hxg6 hxg6 Rxh8 Bxh8 dxc5 Na6 e4 fxe4 Qd5 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Qg5 Qxc5 Qxg6 Kd8 Nh3 d6 Be3 Qh5 Qxh5 Nxh5 Nd2 Nf6 Ng5 Bf5 Bg2 Ng4 Bxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2028)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Be6 Nc3 O-O-O Bd3 Nd7 b3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bb6 Nbd2 Ne7 Nc4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 c6 e3 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be3 e6 dxc5 Nf6 Qd2 Qh5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O f3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Bb2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 b5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Ne5 e6 g4 Bxg4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nbd7 Re1 a6 Bf1 O-O d4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 c6 e3 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Bb2 e6 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4 exd4 Rac8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O axb4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 Bg5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 c6 e3 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Bb2 e6 c4 Nf6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4 exd4 Rac8 Ne5 h5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 c6 e3 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Bb2 e6 c4 Nf6 a3 Be7 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
f4 f5 e4 fxe4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 c6 e3 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Bb2 e6 c4 Nf6 a3 Be7 h3 Bh5 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be3 e6 dxc5 Nf6 Qd2 Qh5 b4 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Bb2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 Bg4 Nf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Ne5 e6 g4 Bxg4 Nxg4 Nxg4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6 d4 d6 O-O Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #67861#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 Nf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 c6 e3 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Bb2 e6 c4 Nf6 a3 Be7 h3 Bh5 cxd5 exd5 g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
f4 f5 e4 fxe4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Bb2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 Bg4 Nf3 Bxf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Ne5 e6 g4 Bxg4 Nxg4 Nxg4 Qxg4 Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4 exd4 Rac8 Ne5 h5 Ndf3 Kg7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
f4 f5 e4 fxe4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Nc6 O-O Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 Nc3 c6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 c3 dxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Ng5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Ng5 Nh6 Bxf7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 Nc3 c6 d5 d6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 Nc3 c6 d5 d6 Nh3 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nf6 e4 dxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Nxd4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 Nf3 e4 Ng5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Bg5

Transpose to wikichess #102904#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4 exd4 Rac8 Ne5 h5 Ndf3 Kg7 Ng5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Ng5 Nh6 Bxf7 Nxf7 Nxf7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d3

Transpose to wikichess #11455#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 Nc3 c6 d5 d6 Nh3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nf6 e4 dxe4 Qxd8 Kxd8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
f4 f5 e4 fxe4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Nc6 O-O Bd6 a3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 Nc3 c6 d5 d6 Nh3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Bg5 d5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nf6 e4 dxe4 Qxd8 Kxd8 O-O-O Bd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
f4 f5 e4 fxe4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Nc6 O-O Bd6 a3 O-O g3 Ng4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 d5 Bf4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nf6 e4 dxe4 Qxd8 Kxd8 O-O-O Bd7 Ne5 Ke8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Nxd4 Qxd4 d6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c4 Bxb1

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1609)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 Ne4 f5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Qc7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Nxd4 Qxd4 d6 Bf4 e5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Be7 Bf4 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 O-O c3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 Ne4 f5 exf6 Nxf6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Nxd4 Qxd4 d6 Bf4 e5 Bxe5 dxe5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 O-O e3 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
c4 e6 Nc3 c5 e3 d5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Nxd5 exd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qxd5 Qb6 Bc4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 O-O e3 h6 Bh4 cxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1216)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Nxd4 Qxd4 d6 Bf4 e5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 Nf3 g6 c4 Nb6

Transpose to wikichess #64268#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nf6 d4 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Re8

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1584)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 O-O c3 Be7 Nxe4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 a6 a4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 a6 a4 d5 e3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4 exd4 Rac8 Ne5 h5 Ndf3 Kg7 Ng5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Qc7

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 a6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Qxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 exd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1609)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 exd4 Nc6 Ne2 Nf6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7 Qh5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7 Qh5 g6 fxg6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1609)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7 Qh5 g6 fxg6 Nxg6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6 e3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6 e3 Nxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6 e3 Nxc5 Nge2

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6 e3 Nxc5 Nge2 d5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5 Nc3 b4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5 Nc3 b4 axb4 Qxb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5 Nc3 b4 axb4 Qxb4 Ba3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5 Nc3 b4 axb4 Qxb4 Ba3 Qb6 Nd5 Qd8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5 Nc3 b4 axb4 Qxb4 Ba3 Qb6 Nd5 Qd8 Qb1 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2051)
c3 d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 e6 e3 Bd6 Bg3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Qe2 Bxg3 hxg3 Qb6 Rb1 g6 O-O cxd4 exd4 Rac8 Ne5 h5 Ndf3 Kg7 Ng5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Qc7 Qe2 Rh8

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4 Nxe6 Nxe6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4 Nxe6 Nxe6 Qe3 Ng7

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 e3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 e3 Nf6 Nxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 e3 Nf6 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 f6 Nf3 fxe5 e3 Nf6 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 O-O Be2 Qe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nd7 c3 Ba5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nd7 c3 Ba5 e3 c6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nd7 c3 Ba5 e3 c6 Na3 Ngf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 g3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nd7 c3 Ba5 e3 c6 Na3 Ngf6 Nc4 Bc7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 d5 e6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 e6 Nh3 d5

Transpose to wikichess #87228#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2 f5 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 d5 e6 Nc3 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bd3 e5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 d5 e6 Nc3 O-O Nh3 Na6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 d5 e6 Nc3 O-O Nh3 Na6 O-O d6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bd3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1673)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 Nf3 Nd7 c3 Ba5 e3 c6 Na3 Ngf6 Nc4 Bc7 Ba3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 Be3 e6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 Be3 e6 O-O Nd5 Bg5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 h4 Bg7 d5 e6 Nc3 O-O Nh3 Na6 O-O d6 dxe6 c6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 Be3 e6 O-O Nd5 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2 f5 O-O Nf6 c4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 a6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 Nf3 O-O Be2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 Be3 e6 O-O Nd5 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Nxe7 dxc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bd3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2 f5 O-O Nf6 c4 O-O Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #74752#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bd3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Nge7 Bc4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1979)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bd3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Nge7 Bc4 Qxd1 Rxd1

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 a6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1988)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 b5 a6 a4 d5 e3 Bd6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O e5 d3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O O-O Bg4 c3 c6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O O-O Bg4 c3 c6 Bb3 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O O-O Bg4 c3 c6 Bb3 Nbd7 Nbd2 e5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3 g6 d4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bd3 Nbd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bd3 Nbd7 Nf3 O-O b4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bd3 Nbd7 Nf3 O-O b4 c6 Bb2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e3 d6 c4 Nf6 h3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bd3 Nbd7 Nf3 O-O b4 c6 Bb2 a5 b5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d6 Bc4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Nf3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Nf3 Nc6 O-O e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Nf3 Nc6 O-O e6 Bb3 a5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Nf3 Nc6 O-O e6 Bb3 a5 a4 e5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Ndb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Ndb5 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Ndb5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qxd1 Kxd1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e4 a6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e4 a6 Nxc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e4 a6 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 b5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e4 a6 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bb3 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e4 a6 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O f5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e4 a6 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bb3 e6 O-O f5 exf5 exf5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3 d6 Bg2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 Nf6 c4 h6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3 d6 Bg2 c5 dxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3 d6 Bg2 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3 d6 Bg2 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Nc3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3 d6 Bg2 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Nc3 Bd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 g3 d6 Bg2 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Nc3 Bd7 O-O Nf6 e4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Bg7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 Qa5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 e4

Transpose to wikichess #899#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 Nf6 c4 h6 Nc3 c6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 Nf6 c4 h6 Nc3 c6 e4 d6

Transpose to wikichess #23830#

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 Qa5 Qb3 b5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6 e5 Ng4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 d6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 d6 dxc5 Bg7

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 e6 d4

Transpose to wikichess #94433#

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 d6 dxc5 Bg7 cxd6 Qxd6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Qa4 Nd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Qa4 Nd7 Bg2 a6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Qa4 Nd7 Bg2 a6 Qxc4 b5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Qa4 Nd7 Bg2 a6 Qxc4 b5 Qc2 Bb7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Qa4 Nd7 Bg2 a6 Qxc4 b5 Qc2 Bb7 O-O Ngf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2 c6 O-O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 g3 dxc4 Qa4 Nd7 Bg2 a6 Qxc4 b5 Qc2 Bb7 O-O Ngf6 d3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2 c6 O-O-O Bg7 f3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qa5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 d6 dxc5 Bg7 cxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 exd6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2 c6 O-O-O Bg7 f3 Qc7 Bh6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 d5 c4 e6 e3 c5 a3

Transpose to wikichess #94079#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Nbd7 Qd2 c6 O-O-O Bg7 f3 Qc7 Bh6 O-O h4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Nxe4 Bxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Qd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Qd3 Nxe4 Qxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Nc3 e6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O g3 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qa5 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Nc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 d6 dxc5 Bg7 cxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 exd6 Nc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 d6 dxc5 Bg7 cxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 exd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bf4 Bf8

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 d6 g3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 O-O d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 dxe3 fxe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1621)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 dxe3 fxe3 Nc6 Qb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 O-O d5 d3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 dxe3 fxe3 Nc6 Qb3 a6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 dxe3 fxe3 Nc6 Qb3 a6 Bc4 Nh6 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 d6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Qe1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 O-O d5 d3 c5 d4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1621)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 c6 Nf3 Nbd7 Bd3

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Na6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Na6 f4 Nc7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nc3 dxc4 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Na6 f4 Nc7 fxe5 dxe5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Na6 f4 Nc7 fxe5 dxe5 Nf3 Bd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Na6 f4 Nc7 fxe5 dxe5 Nf3 Bd6 Bg5 f6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Na6 f4 Nc7 fxe5 dxe5 Nf3 Bd6 Bg5 f6 Be3 Ne7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Jelle Vellema    (1621)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 c6 Nf3 Nbd7 Bd3 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1584)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nc3 dxc4 Nf3 Nd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1621)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 c6 Nf3 Nbd7 Bd3 O-O O-O dxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1621)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Qe1 Na5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 d6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e3 e5 Qf3 d5 Bb5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ne5 Nc6 Nxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e3 e5 Qf3 d5 Bb5 c6 Ba4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1356)
e3 e5 Qf3 d5 Bb5 c6 Ba4 Nd7 e4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Qe1 Na5 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nc3 dxc4 Nf3 Nd7 O-O Ngf6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 d6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O O-O d4 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nc3 dxc4 Nf3 Nd7 O-O Ngf6 d3 cxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ne5 Nc6 Nxc6 Qh4 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1621)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Qe1 Na5 f5 Nxc4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 d6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O O-O d4 b6 Ne5 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ne5 Nc6 Nxc6 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nc3 dxc4 Nf3 Nd7 O-O Ngf6 d3 cxd3 Qxd3 Be7 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 b4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 b4 e5 a3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 b4 e5 a3 exd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 b4 e5 a3 exd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Bb2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 b4 e5 a3 exd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Qh4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 b4 e5 a3 exd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Qh4 a5 b5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Be7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Be7 O-O Bb7

Transpose to wikichess #29773#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Nxe5 d4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Nxe5 d4 Qe7 dxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe4 Qe2 Nxe5 d4 Qe7 dxc5 Ng6 Nc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3 e6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 Nxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 Nxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 e6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 Nxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 e6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nf3 Nxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 e6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
c4 b6 d4 e6 e4 Bb7 Bd3

Transpose to wikichess #100673#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ne2 c4 Nbc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ne2 c4 Nbc3 Ngf6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5 f3 Nxf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5 f3 Nxf4 exf4 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5 f3 Nxf4 exf4 h5 Kf2 Qe6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1584)
f3 d5 d4 c5 e3 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ne2 c4 Nbc3 Ngf6 a3 a6 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5 f3 Nxf4 exf4 h5 Kf2 Qe6 Rc5 a5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5 f3 Nxf4 exf4 h5 Kf2 Qe6 Rc5 a5 a3 a4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 O-O e3 Nc6 Be2 Bg4 Qb3 Qc8 Rc1 Rd8 Ne5 Bxe2 Nxe2 Nh5 f3 Nxf4 exf4 h5 Kf2 Qe6 Rc5 a5 a3 a4 Qc2 Rdc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 Bb6 a4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6 Be4 Nd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6 Be4 Nd4 Bf4 Qb6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6 Be4 Nd4 Bf4 Qb6 O-O-O Nb5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Be3 Bg4 Qd3 f5 f4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6 Be4 Nd4 Bf4 Qb6 O-O-O Nb5 Nxb5 Qxb5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6 Be4 Nd4 Bf4 Qb6 O-O-O Nb5 Nxb5 Qxb5 Kb1 f6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bd7 e5 Bf5 exf6 Bxd3 fxg7 Kxg7 Bxd3 Nc6 Be4 Nd4 Bf4 Qb6 O-O-O Nb5 Nxb5 Qxb5 Kb1 f6 h4 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Be3 Bg4 Qd3 f5 f4 g5 Qf1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Qf6 Qe2 Nge7 Be3 d6 O-O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Be3 Bg4 Qd3 f5 f4 g5 Qf1 Qh5 Nd2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 Bb6 a4 a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2069)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 g3 d5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 Bb6 a4 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 a5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 c3 Nc6 d4 Nxd4 Bxf7 Kxf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 f5 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 f5 c4 O-O Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 h4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 O-O

Transpose to wikichess #156243#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 Bb6 a4 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 a5 Ba7 Nxe5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nbd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nbd7 Be2 c6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (1958)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nbd7 Be2 c6 O-O e5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5 O-O-O fxe3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5 c5 dxc5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5 c5 dxc5 Bxb5 Rd8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5 c5 dxc5 Bxb5 Rd8 dxe5 f5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5 O-O-O fxe3 fxe3 Nxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5 O-O-O fxe3 fxe3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Rc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5 O-O-O fxe3 fxe3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Rc8 Qa3 Be4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4 Bc7 Be3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5 O-O-O fxe3 fxe3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Rc8 Qa3 Be4 Qxa7 Bxc2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Bb5 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4 Bc7 Be3 Qxd5 Nc3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 Nf6 Bb2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 dxe3 fxe3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 a3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 a3 e6 Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
c4 e6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 exd5 d4

Transpose to wikichess #54096#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 a3 e6 Be2 a5 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4 Bc7 Be3 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 Bxh7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 Bh4 d6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 Bh4 d6 e3 Qe7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 Bh4 d6 e3 Qe7 Bd3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6 h4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Qf3 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6 h4 Bg7 c3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6 e4 Bb4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6 h4 Bg7 c3 Qf6 e5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6 e4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6 e4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 h6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2 Rg2 Qh4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6 Be2 Nd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Qf3 Qc7 d4 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1 Qa6 Qd3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6 Be2 Nd4 Nxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6 e4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nc3 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6 Be2 Nd4 Nxe6 fxe6 O-O Qb6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bb2 d6 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bb2 d6 e4 O-O g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 h6 Nc3 Bg4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6 e4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nc3 d5 cxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 h6 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Qb6

============

Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Qf3 Qc7 d4 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 g3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1 Qa6 Qd3 b5 Qxb3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1 Qa6 Qd3 b5 Qxb3 Bb7 c5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6 Be2 Nd4 Nxe6 fxe6 O-O Qb6 f4 Qxb2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 f3 e6 e4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Nc3 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Nh5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1671)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Qf3 Qc7 d4 Bd6 Ne2 Nf6 O-O Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2 Bf5 Bd3

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 c6 Bd3 O-O h3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2

Transpose to wikichess #14227#

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 h6 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Qb6 Ne5 e6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
b4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #79112#

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6 Be3 a4

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6 Be3 a4 Bxc5 dxc5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 h6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 h6 d4 e6 Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 h6 d4 e6 Be3 Nd7 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 h6 d4 e6 Be3 Nd7 Be2 Qb6 Qc1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 h6 d4 e6 Be3 Nd7 Be2 Qb6 Qc1 c5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 O-O Ngf6 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 O-O Ngf6 d3 g6 Bf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 O-O Ngf6 d3 g6 Bf4 Nh5 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2 Rg2 Qh4 cxd5 exd5

============

Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2 Rg2 Qh4 cxd5 exd5 f3 Rg8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 e6 Nxb5 Qa5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 O-O-O Ne2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6 Be3 a4 Bxc5 dxc5 Qd3 cxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2 Rg2 Qh4 cxd5 exd5 f3 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 Rb8 Bxf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 Rb8 Bxf4 Rxb2 Kd2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6 Be3 a4 Bxc5 dxc5 Qd3 cxd5 cxd5 Bd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 Rb8 Bxf4 Rxb2 Kd2 Be7 g3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6 Be3 a4 Bxc5 dxc5 Qd3 cxd5 cxd5 Bd7 Nd2 Qe7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 Rb8 Bxf4 Rxb2 Kd2 Be7 g3 Be6 Rhb1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 Rb8 Bxf4 Rxb2 Kd2 Be7 g3 Be6 Rhb1 Rxb1 Rxb1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Qg7 Qf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d3 Rb8 Bxf4 Rxb2 Kd2 Be7 g3 Be6 Rhb1 Rxb1 Rxb1 Kd7 Rb7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Ng4 Bd2 Na6 h3 Nf6 g4 Nc5 Qc2 c6 Be3 a4 Bxc5 dxc5 Qd3 cxd5 cxd5 Bd7 Nd2 Qe7 O-O Rfb8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe5 Bd6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe5 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe5 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bc4 Bxe5 fxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe5 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bc4 Bxe5 fxe5 Ng8 Nxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Nxe5 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bc4 Bxe5 fxe5 Ng8 Nxe4 Qh4 Nf2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6 g5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 h6 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Qb6 Ne5 e6 Nxg4 Nxg4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bf4 e6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6 Be2 Nd4 Nxe6 fxe6 O-O Qb6 f4 Qxb2 Bg4 Rae8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bf4 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6 g5 Nxd5 c4 Nb4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Be6 Qd3 c5 d5 Bc8 h3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Be3 Nfd7 Ng5 Nc6 Be2 Nd4 Nxe6 fxe6 O-O Qb6 f4 Qxb2 Bg4 Rae8 e5 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2 Rg2 Qh4 cxd5 exd5 f3 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8 e4 Ne7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 O-O-O Ne2 Nh5 a3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6 g5 Nxd5 c4 Nb4 Qe2 Be6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 O-O-O Ne2 Nh5 a3 Nxg3 hxg3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bf4 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3 h6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 e6 h3 b6 g4 Bb7 Nf3 Bd6 Bxd6 cxd6 gxf5 exf5 Rg1 Qe7 Nc3 Na6 d5 Nb4 Nd4 f4 Qd2 Nbxd5 O-O-O fxe3 fxe3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Rc8 Qa3 Be4 Qxa7 Bxc2 Nxc2 Qxe3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 h6 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Qb6 Ne5 e6 Nxg4 Nxg4 Qc2 Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c3 g6 Nd2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6 g5 Nxd5 c4 Nb4 Qe2 Be6 a3 Na6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bf4 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3 h6 Bd3 Ne7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 Nxg4 Rg1 Qf6 Rxg4 Qxf3 Rxg7 Nf6 Rg5 Qh1 Bd2 Bd7 O-O-O Qxh2 Rg2 Qh4 cxd5 exd5 f3 Rg8 Rxg8 Nxg8 e4 Ne7 Kb1 Bf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 Qc2 Nd7 e3 g5 Bg3 Ngf6 Be2 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qa5 Kf1 Nf6 Qc2 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 O-O-O Ne2 Nh5 a3 Nxg3 hxg3 f5 Rh6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bf4 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3 h6 Bd3 Ne7 O-O Bxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6 g5 Nxd5 c4 Nb4 Qe2 Be6 a3 Na6 gxh6 gxh6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qd2 dxc6 Nc3 Ne7 Qf4 Be6 Qxf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 h4 exd4 exd4 Qe7 Kd1 Ne4 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 Nf6 g5 Nxd5 c4 Nb4 Qe2 Be6 a3 Na6 gxh6 gxh6 Bb2 Rf8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7 Rd1 Nxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7 Rd1 Nxc5 Ng5 Qc7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 d3 Qf6 Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Bh5 b4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7 Rd1 Nxc5 Ng5 Qc7 Nxe6 Nxe6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bb5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bb5 c6 Bd3

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7 Rd1 Nxc5 Ng5 Qc7 Nxe6 Nxe6 Qc4 Qb8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 dxc4 Bxc4 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7 Rd1 Nxc5 Ng5 Qc7 Nxe6 Nxe6 Qc4 Qb8 Be2 Rc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 b5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 d6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 b5 Bd3 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 b5 Bd3 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6 b3 Re8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6 b3 Re8 b4 a6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 d5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6 b3 Re8 b4 a6 Be5 Nd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg4 f3 Bd7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 Nc3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 Qe2 cxd5 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nge7 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 Nc3 d6 d4 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 Qe2 cxd5 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nge7 d4 Bg4 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 Qe2 cxd5 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nge7 d4 Bg4 c3 Ng6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 Nc3 d6 d4 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 Nc3 d6 d4 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Nxd1 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 f6 d4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 f6 d4 d6 Bxf4 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 d5 Ndf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 c6 d4 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qa4 c5 dxc5 Bd7 Qb4 a5 Qc4 a4 Bd2 Be6 Qe2 Nbd7 Rd1 Nxc5 Ng5 Qc7 Nxe6 Nxe6 Qc4 Qb8 Be2 Rc8 Qb4 Qe5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 f6 d4 d6 Bxf4 g5 Nxg5 fxg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 d5 Ndf6 Bg5 exd5 Nxf6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 g3 c5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 g3 c5 c3 h5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 d6 e3 Bxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2 d5 Nf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2 d5 Nf4 Qg4 h3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 g3 c5 c3 h5 Ng2 Nc6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 g5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 g5 Be2 g4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nd2 exd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 f6 d4 d6 Bxf4 g5 Nxg5 fxg5 Qh5 Kd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 f6 d4 d6 Bxf4 g5 Nxg5 fxg5 Qh5 Kd7 Bxg5 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 g5 Be2 g4 Nd2 h5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 g5 Be2 g4 Nd2 h5 f3 Nh6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 f6 d4 d6 Bxf4 g5 Nxg5 fxg5 Qh5 Kd7 Bxg5 Be7 Qf7 Qf8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2 d5 Nf4 Qg4 h3 Qd7 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 g5 Be2 g4 Nd2 h5 f3 Nh6 a4 f5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2 d5 Nf4 Qg4 h3 Qd7 Be3 Qd8 Rfd1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 d4 d6 Nd3 Nh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 d4 d6 Nd3 Nh5 Bxf4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 c6 d4 cxd5 Bxf4 Nc6 Bb5 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 c6 d4 cxd5 Bxf4 Nc6 Bb5 Be6 O-O Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 c6 d4 cxd5 Bxf4 Nc6 Bb5 Be6 O-O Bd6 Be5 Bxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2 d5 Nf4 Qg4 h3 Qd7 Be3 Qd8 Rfd1 Ng6 Ne2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 exd4 Qb3 Qf6 O-O Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Qf5 Bd3 Qh5 Nc3 O-O Ne2 d5 Nf4 Qg4 h3 Qd7 Be3 Qd8 Rfd1 Ng6 Ne2 f6 Rac1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nd2 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nd2 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Ngf3 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 d4 d6 Nd3 Nh5 Bxf4 Nc6 c3 Nxf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nd2 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Ngf3 Bc5 Qe2 Qe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O Nh5 Bg3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O Nh5 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nd2 exd3 Bxd3 Nf6 Ngf3 Bc5 Qe2 Qe6 Ne4 Nxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 Bc4 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O Nh5 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3 Kb8 a3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O Nh5 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3 Kb8 a3 Bd6 Bd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Jelle Vellema    (1692)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 g3 c5 c3 h5 Ng2 Nc6 Nd2 g6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2058)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Qb3 Nc6 g4 Nxg4 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb4 Nc3 O-O-O Nge2 Rhe8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O Nh5 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3 Kb8 a3 Bd6 Bd5 Bg6 Ba2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4 exd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1786)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qe2 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Rxa8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Rxa8 Bxa8 Nf5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7 f3 Qc7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7 f3 Qc7 Qe3 Bxe5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7 f3 Qc7 Qe3 Bxe5 fxe5 Rd8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7 f3 Qc7 Qe3 Bxe5 fxe5 Rd8 h4 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7 f3 Qc7 Qe3 Bxe5 fxe5 Rd8 h4 e6 h5 Qg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
d4 f5 Bf4 Nf6 e3 d6 h3 g6 c4 Bg7 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Nh5 Nc3 Nxf4 exf4 dxc5 Nf3 Nc6 Qd2 b6 O-O-O Nd4 Ne5 Bb7 f3 Qc7 Qe3 Bxe5 fxe5 Rd8 h4 e6 h5 Qg7 Rd2 g5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Rxa8 Bxa8 Nf5 Nxb3 cxb3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Qd4 Nf3 Qxe4 Qe2 Bf5 Qxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2099)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Qd4 Nf3 Qxe4 Qe2 Bf5 Qxe4 Bxe4 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Rxa8 Bxa8 Nf5 Nxb3 cxb3 g6 Nxe7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2107)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 d6 axb5 Nb8 Nc3 Bb7 bxa6 Nxa6 Be3 c6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Rxa8 Bxa8 Nf5 Nxb3 cxb3 g6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Bg5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3 e4 Bxg7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3 e4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
Nf3 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 g6 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Ngf6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3 e4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd2 Kg8 e3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Bxg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3 e4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd2 Kg8 e3 Rd8 Bf1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Bxg4 Qxg4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Ngf6 e3 h6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3 e4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd2 Kg8 e3 Rd8 Bf1 d6 Nb5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Bxg4 Qxg4 Nf6 Qxf4 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6 Rc1 Bd7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Bxg4 Qxg4 Nf6 Qxf4 Nbd7 Be2 h5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 Nh3 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 c5 dxc5 Na6 Be3 Ng4 Bd4 e5 Bc3 Nxc5 Qd5 Ne6 Rd1 Qb6 Na3 e4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qd2 Kg8 e3 Rd8 Bf1 d6 Nb5 Ne5 Be2

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Ngf6 e3 h6 Bd3 e6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6 Rc1 Bd7 Qc5 Bc6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Ngf6 e3 h6 Bd3 e6 Qc2 Bb4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Ngf6 e3 h6 Bd3 e6 Qc2 Bb4 Nc3 a6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6 Rc1 Bd7 Qc5 Bc6 Bb4 Nc8

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6 Rc1 Bd7 Qc5 Bc6 Bb4 Nc8 Bh3 Ne7

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 d6 e3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bb5 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6 Rc1 Bd7 Qc5 Bc6 Bb4 Nc8 Bh3 Ne7 Nd6 Bxd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 h6 Rg1 e5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Bb8 g5 hxg5 Nxg5 e4 Bd2 Nb6 Rc1 Bd7 Qc5 Bc6 Bb4 Nc8 Bh3 Ne7 Nd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 d6 e3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bb5 h6 Bh4 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bd6 Be3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 c5 Ne2 Nf6 Nbc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 d4 e5 dxe5 Qxe5 c3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 c5 Ne2 Nf6 Nbc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 d4 e5 dxe5 Qxe5 c3 Be7 Bf4 Qf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1771)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Bc4 Ngf6 Ng5 e6 Qe2 Nb6 Bb3 Be7 N1f3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Emile Trigance    (1771)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Nf4 Bxf4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 Rc1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3 fxe4 Bf1

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3 fxe4 Bf1 Nc6 b5

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Remo Pareschi    (2102)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 Nf4 Bxf4 exf4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3 fxe4 Bf1 Nc6 b5 Ne5 Rxe4

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Contributors : Remo Pareschi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 Nb6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 e6 Nf3 c5 e3 d5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 Be7 O-O b5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 Be7 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 Nbd2 c5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 Be7 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Bc2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nge7 Bg2 Ng6 Bg5 Qd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nge7 Bg2 Ng6 Bg5 Qd7 O-O h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 a6 Nf3 Be7 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Bc2 Nf6 Re1 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nge7 Bg2 Ng6 Bg5 Qd7 O-O h6 Bc1 Ngxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 b6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 b6 b4 Bb7

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 b6 b4 Bb7 a4 a5

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4 b6 b4 Bb7 a4 a5 b5 d6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 Nb6 Bd3 Bg4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 Nb6 Bd3 Bg4 O-O Bxf3 Qxf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bg2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Qd8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Qd8 Bg5 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4 Nc7 Ra7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Qd8 Bg5 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6 Bd3 e5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6 Bd3 e5 e4 Bg4

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4 Nc7 Ra7 Bc3 b5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6 Bd3 e5 e4 Bg4 d5 c6

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6 Bd3 e5 e4 Bg4 d5 c6 c4 cxd5

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6 Bd3 e5 e4 Bg4 d5 c6 c4 cxd5 cxd5 Bxf3

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1849)
d4 f6 Nf3 e6 e3 d6 Bd3 e5 e4 Bg4 d5 c6 c4 cxd5 cxd5 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qc7

============

Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4 Nc7 Ra7 Bc3 b5 cxb5 axb5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3 Bxe3 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3 Bxe3 g6 Qd2 Bg7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 Qxf3 gxf3 bxc6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3 Bxe3 g6 Qd2 Bg7 g4 h6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 Qxf3 gxf3 bxc6 Nc3 Ne7 Be3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 c3 e5 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 c3 e5 c4 dxc4 dxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 c3 e5 c4 dxc4 dxc4 Qxd1 Kxd1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 c3 e5 c4 dxc4 dxc4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Be6 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 c3 e5 c4 dxc4 dxc4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Be6 Bg2 c6 b3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 b3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 b3 Be7 Bb2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 e6 Nc3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 e6 Nc3 c5 O-O d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6

Transpose to wikichess #26257#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 e6 Nc3 c5 O-O d6 b3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Be7 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #739#

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c6 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bxf6 gxf6 e6 Ne5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 e6 Nc3 c5 O-O d6 b3 Be7 Bb2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 Be2

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nc6 O-O

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 e6 Nc3 c5 O-O d6 b3 Be7 Bb2 Nbd7 Qe1 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 fxe5 dxe5 Qa4 Bd7 Qc2 Qf6 b4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 f5

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 Be2 Ne7 fxe5

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 f5 Nf6 d3

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Qf3 Nc6 Nxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Be7 fxe5 Bh4 g3 Bg5 Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Qf3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Qg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 fxe5 dxe5 Qa4 Bd7 Qc2 Qf6 b4 Bb6 d3

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 f5 Nf6 d3 Ng4 Nd4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 Be2 Ne7 fxe5 Bxf3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Be7 fxe5 Bh4 g3 Bg5 Nf3 d6 exd6 cxd6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Nc6 O-O d6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Qf3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Be7 fxe5 Bh4 g3 Bg5 Nf3 d6 exd6 cxd6 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 d5 d4 exf4

Transpose to wikichess #156662#

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 d6 d4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Nc6 O-O d6 d4 h6

Transpose to wikichess #75932#

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 Be2 Ne7 fxe5 Bxf3 Bxf3 dxe5 Qe2

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bg4 Be2 Ne7 fxe5 Bxf3 Bxf3 dxe5 Qe2 O-O d3

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 d6 d4 Nxe4 Bxf7

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 dxc4 Nd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 dxc4 Nd2 Bb4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 d6 d4 Nxe4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Nxe4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 f5 Nf6 d3 Ng4 Nd4 h5 Be2

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Be7 e3 O-O Ne2 dxc4 Nd2 Bb4 O-O Bxd2 Qxd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Be7 fxe5 Bh4 g3 Bg5 Nf3 d6 exd6 cxd6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 f5 Nf6 d3 Ng4 Nd4 h5 Be2 Bxd4 Bxg4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 d4 h6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O O-O d5 Nxe5 Bxf2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O O-O d5 Nxe5 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O O-O d5 Nxe5 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxe5 Nxd5 Nxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 e3 Qb6 Qc1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qh4 Kf1 g5

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Be7 fxe5 Bh4 g3 Bg5 Nf3 d6 exd6 cxd6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nxg5 Nf6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4 bxc4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4 bxc4 Nf6 g3 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4 bxc4 Nf6 g3 Bf5 Bg2 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4 bxc4 Nf6 g3 Bf5 Bg2 e6 O-O Bd6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 f5 Nf6 d3 Ng4 Nd4 h5 Be2 Bxd4 Bxg4 hxg4 Qxg4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4 bxc4 Nf6 g3 Bf5 Bg2 e6 O-O Bd6 d3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qh4 Kf1 g5 Nf3 Qh5

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c6 Nf3 d5 b3 dxc4 bxc4 Nf6 g3 Bf5 Bg2 e6 O-O Bd6 d3 O-O Bb2 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 e3 Qb6 Qc1 cxd4 exd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Ne5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 e3 Qb6 Qc1 cxd4 exd4 g6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qh4 Kf1 g5 Nf3 Qh5 Nc3 Bg7

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 d4 Bg4

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qh4 Kf1 g5 Nf3 Qh5 Nc3 Bg7 Nd5 Kd8

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 d4 Bg4 Bxf4 Be7

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qh4 Kf1 g5 Nf3 Qh5 Nc3 Bg7 Nd5 Kd8 h4 h6

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1764)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 e3 Qb6 Qc1 cxd4 exd4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Giampaolo Carnemolla    (1838)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 d4 Bg4 Bxf4 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Giampaolo Carnemolla


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 h3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 h3 d6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nf6 d4 Na5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 h3 d6 Bd3 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 h3 d6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nf6 d4 Na5 b3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6 Qc2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 Bf4 Bb7 e3 e6 h3 d6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O Nbd2 Nbd7 Bh2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nf6 d4 Na5 b3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6 Qc2 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1879)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 c4 Bb4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1879)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 c4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1879)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 c4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 g6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1879)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 c4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O b4 a5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 g6 Be3 e5 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1879)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 c4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O b4 a5 b5 b6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1879)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 c4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O b4 a5 b5 b6 Bd3 Bb7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 g6 Be3 e5 Nge2 Be6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Qc7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 g6 Be3 e5 Nge2 Be6 O-O Qc7 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Qc7 Bd3 g6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Qc7 Bd3 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Qc7 Bd3 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb2 Nc6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Nc6 a3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Nc6 a3 Nf6 h3 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Nc6 a3 Nf6 h3 Nd7 Bd2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1798)
c4 g6 e4 c5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Nc6 a3 Nf6 h3 Nd7 Bd2 O-O Nc3 Nde5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #91542#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Nxc6 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Nxc6 Bxc3 bxc3 dxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Nxc6 Bxc3 bxc3 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 f4 Qb6 Nf3 Qxb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 d6 e3 Qf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 d6 e3 Qf6 Na4 Bb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 d6 e3 Qf6 Na4 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 d6 e3 Qf6 Na4 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6 d3 Nh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe5 O-O Nf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe5 O-O Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Re1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6 Nc3 Qf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 e5 g3 Bc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 d6 e3 Qf6 Na4 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6 d3 Nh6 Ne2 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6 Nc3 Qf6 Rb1 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6 Nc3 Qf6 Rb1 Nc6 b3 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6 Nc3 Qf6 Rb1 Nc6 b3 Ne5 Bb2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6 Nc3 Qf6 Rb1 Nc6 b3 Ne5 Bb2 d5 Nf3 Nxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 g5 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e6 Nc3 Qf6 Rb1 Nc6 b3 Ne5 Bb2 d5 Nf3 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Nf3 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Nf3 O-O O-O Bg4 Nd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Nf3 O-O O-O Bg4 Nd2 Bxe2 Qxe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d5 Bb5 Bd6 f4 f6 Qh5

Transpose to wikichess #168412#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6 d4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6 d4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 b6 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 b6 Qe2 Nd5 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6 d4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O h3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6 d4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O h3 Nc6 c3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6 d4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O h3 Nc6 c3 e5 d5 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
Nf3 f5 d3 d6 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 Bc4 d6 d4 Nf6 Qe2 O-O h3 Nc6 c3 e5 d5 Ne7 Bg5 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 dxc5 Bxc5 Nb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 dxc5 Bxc5 Nb3 Bd6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1795)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 c5 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1795)
a3 d5 d4 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #134717#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e6 Bb2 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #105684#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 f4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 f4 Nf6 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 d6 Ne2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 d6 Ne2 Be7 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 d6 Ne2 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 d6 Ne2 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 d6 Ne2 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bxc6 bxc6 Qf3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qc7 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1783)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb6 Be3 Bg7 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qc7 c4 Nd7 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb6 Be3 Bg7 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qc7 c4 Nd7 cxd5 exd5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 d3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 d3 O-O Nbd2 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O Nf6 Ne5 Rc8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 Nf6 Bb2 d5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 d3 O-O Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1783)
b3 d5 Bb2 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 O-O Nf6 Ne5 Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 dxe4 a5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 dxe4 a5 f4 f6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 dxe4 a5 f4 f6 f5 c6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d6 a3 Be6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d6 a3 Be6 Bb5 Nge7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d6 a3 Be6 Bb5 Nge7 Be2 Qd7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d6 a3 Be6 Bb5 Nge7 Be2 Qd7 Nf3 h6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Paul Brand Lyard    (1777)
a3 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance, Paul Brand Lyard


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d6 a3 Be6 Bb5 Nge7 Be2 Qd7 Nf3 h6 d3 Rg8 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 c6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4 e5 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 c6 d4 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 Nf6 Nc3 d6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 a3 a6 b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Qe7 Be2 Nf6 Nc3 d6 O-O g6 Nd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Bc4 fxe4 Nxe5 d5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 c6 d4 Bf5 Bc4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 c6 d4 Bf5 Bc4 e6 O-O Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Bc4 fxe4 Nxe5 d5 Nc3 dxc4 Nxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 h6 e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 c6 d4 Bf5 Bc4 e6 O-O Bd6 Qe2 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 e6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Bc4 fxe4 Nxe5 d5 Nc3 dxc4 Nxc4 Nf6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Bc4 fxe4 Nxe5 d5 Nc3 dxc4 Nxc4 Nf6 O-O Be7 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 e6 d3 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h3 c5 Be2 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Bc4 fxe4 Nxe5 d5 Nc3 dxc4 Nxc4 Nf6 O-O Be7 h3 O-O Re1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 e6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Kh1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h3 c5 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h3 c5 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 O-O Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 O-O Nc6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 c3 d5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 O-O Nc6 d4 Nf6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6 Bf4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6 Bf4 e6 g4 Nf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Qxd5 Nc3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Qxd5 Nc3 Bb4 Qe2 Qe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Qxd5 Nc3 Bb4 Qe2 Qe6 Bd2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Qxd5 Nc3 Bb4 Qe2 Qe6 Bd2 Nf6 Nf3 Qxe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6 Bf4 e6 g4 Nf7 exf6 Qxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8 Bf1 Nh5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 Nf3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8 Bf1 Nh5 Rab1 Nc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 a5 b5 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 a5 b5 Bd6 a4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 a5 b5 Bd6 a4 O-O Bb2 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5 e3 Nf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 a5 b5 Bd6 a4 O-O Bb2 e5 d3 Re8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8 Bf1 Nh5 Rab1 Nc6 d5 Bxc3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 d5 g3 e6 Bg2 Nf6 a3 a5 b5 Bd6 a4 O-O Bb2 e5 d3 Re8 Nd2 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5 e3 Nf5 Be2 Nxe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5 e3 Nf5 Be2 Nxe3 Qc1 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6 g3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 c4 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 c4 c6 Nc3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2 c6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 Be2

Transpose to wikichess #159806#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2 c6 Nc3 d5 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 c4 c6 Nc3 Bg7 d3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2 c6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Nd7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2 c6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2 c6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 h3 Nh5 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
g3 g6 d4 Bg7 Bg2 c6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 h3 Nh5 Bd2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 a5 b5 e5 Bb2 d6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 c4 c6 Nc3 Bg7 d3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 c3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 c3 Be7 Nf3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 O-O c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 O-O c5 d3 e6

Transpose to wikichess #84173#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 c3 Be7 Nf3 c5 e3 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Luca Sorbi    (2229)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance, Luca Sorbi


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 c3 Be7 Nf3 c5 e3 c4 d3 cxd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 d5 Bg2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 d5 c3 Be7 Nf3 c5 e3 c4 d3 cxd3 Bxd3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 d5 Bg2 O-O O-O Qd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Qc7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qd2 Nf6 O-O-O Ng4 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1883)
d4 e6 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #12389#

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 d5 Bg2 O-O O-O Qd6 a3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1883)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 h6 f3

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Qc7 O-O e5 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 d5 Bg2 O-O O-O Qd6 a3 Nbd7 d3 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1883)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 h6 f3 Nd6 e4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Ne5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Bh5 Ke7 Nf7 Qe8 Nxd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Bg7 h3 Qc7 O-O e5 Be3 b6 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1 Qc7 a4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4 Bf6 O-O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1 Qc7 a4 a6 a5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4 Bf6 O-O-O Kc7 e5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1 Qc7 a4 a6 a5 b6 Bxb6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4 Bf6 O-O-O Kc7 e5 Be7 Be4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1 Qc7 a4 a6 a5 b6 Bxb6 Qb7 b4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4 Bf6 O-O-O Kc7 e5 Be7 Be4 Bd7 f5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1 Qc7 a4 a6 a5 b6 Bxb6 Qb7 b4 Nd7 Bf2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4 Bf6 O-O-O Kc7 e5 Be7 Be4 Bd7 f5 b6 Bf4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4 f3 Bd7 Be3 Nxd4 Bxd4 e6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bc6 Rfd1 Qc7 a4 a6 a5 b6 Bxb6 Qb7 b4 Nd7 Bf2 f5 b5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf4 d4 Bd6 dxe5 Nxg2 Bxg2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Be3 c6 f4 Bf6 O-O-O Kc7 e5 Be7 Be4 Bd7 f5 b6 Bf4 Be8 e6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1883)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 h6 f3 Nd6 e4 Bg7 h4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 Bg7 Bb2 d5 Bg2 O-O O-O Qd6 a3 Nbd7 d3 a5 Bc3 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Nd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8 Qe1 Qc7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Nd5 Qf7 Nce3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Be3 Nf6 f3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8 Qe1 Qc7 h3 Qb8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Be3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Nd5 Qf7 Nce3 c6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8 Qe1 Qc7 h3 Qb8 Kh1 Nb6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8 Qe1 Qc7 h3 Qb8 Kh1 Nb6 g4 Na4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5 d3 Qd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8 Qe1 Qc7 h3 Qb8 Kh1 Nb6 g4 Na4 Bc1 Nxc3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5 d3 Qd6 a3 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 Re8 Rad1 Rc8 Qe1 Qc7 h3 Qb8 Kh1 Nb6 g4 Na4 Bc1 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1883)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 h6 f3 Nd6 e4 Bg7 h4 gxh4 Be3

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 d3 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O b3 Bg4 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5 d3 Qd6 a3 f6 Nh4 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5 d3 Qd6 a3 f6 Nh4 Be6 Be2 Qd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1883)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 h6 f3 Nd6 e4 Bg7 h4 gxh4 Be3 b6 Rxh4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 b4 d5 Bb2 Bg7

Transpose to wikichess #180197#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5 d3 Qd6 a3 f6 Nh4 Be6 Be2 Qd7 Nf3 O-O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3 Ne7 Bxc5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 Bg4 c3 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3 Ne7 Bxc5 O-O Qd2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bf5 d3 Qd6 a3 f6 Nh4 Be6 Be2 Qd7 Nf3 O-O-O O-O Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 Bg4 c3 Bd6 Ba3 Bxa3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nd3 fxe4 Nf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nd3 fxe4 Nf4 Qf7 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nd3 fxe4 Nf4 Qf7 Nc3 Nf6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nd3 fxe4 Nf4 Qf7 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Bf5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3 Ne7 Bxc5 O-O Qd2 f6 Rae1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Nxe4 Re1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O b3 Bg4 Bb2 Qd7 Re1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bd7 Nf3 Nc6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Nxe4 Re1 Nf6 d4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 Ne3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 Ne3 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3 Ne7 Bxc5 O-O Qd2 f6 Rae1 f5 Nd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bd7 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 Ne3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bd7 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nf6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 d4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Ne4 Qf3 Ng5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 c6 Nf3 d5

Transpose to wikichess #66151#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bd7 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nf6 Nxf6 Bxf6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Ne4 Qf3 Ng5 Qg3 Ne6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bd7 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nf6 Nxf6 Bxf6 c3 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 a6 b4 Ba7 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 g4 Bg6

Transpose to wikichess #5536#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Bf4 Nf6 Ne3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 Qh5 g6 fxg6 hxg6 Qd5 Bg7 Nb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Ne4 Qf3 Ng5 Qg3 Ne6 Bd3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3 Bf5 Bb2

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nh6 Bc4

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 cxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 a6 b4 Ba7 O-O Nf6 d3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3 Bf5 Bb2 Qd6 e3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nh6 Bc4 Bc5 d3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
d4 d5 c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #108646#

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxf7 Kxf7 Qf3 Ke8 Bxd5

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxf7 Kxf7 Qf3 Ke8 Bxd5 Qg5 Bxc6

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 a6 b4 Ba7 O-O Nf6 d3 O-O Be3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3 Bf5 Bb2 Qd6 e3 O-O-O Be2

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
d4 d5 c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 dxe5

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Qf6 Qh5 g6 fxg6 hxg6 Qd5 Bg7 Nb5 Kd8 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3 Bf5 Bb2 Qd6 e3 O-O-O Be2 Nh6 O-O

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Ne7

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nh6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 Qf6 Qf3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3 Ne7 Bxc5 O-O Qd2 f6 Rae1 f5 Nd4 Bc8 Bd6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Brett Beeman    (0952)
d4 d5 c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 dxe5 Bb4 Rc1

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
d4 d5 c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 dxe5 Bb4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
d4 d5 c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 dxe5 Bb4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3 h6 Bh4

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O e6 b3 Be7 d3 d6 e5 Qc7 Qe1 d5 Nc3 a5 Na4 Ba6 c4 Bd8 Ba3 Ne7 Bxc5 O-O Qd2 f6 Rae1 f5 Nd4 Bc8 Bd6 Qb7 Nc5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d6 Bb5 Bd7 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 e6 Nf3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3 Bf5 Bb2 Qd6 e3 O-O-O Be2 Nh6 O-O Nb4 Nd4

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Ne7 d4 O-O

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Na5 Bxe5 Nc4 Bd4

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
d4 d5 c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 dxe5 Bb4 Rc1 Bxc3 Rxc3 h6 Bh4 Nc6 exf6

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Emile Trigance    (1716)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 Bf4 Nf6 Ne3 Qf7 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #12904#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 e6 Nf3 Bg7 Nxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Brett Beeman    (0952)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 b3 Bf5 Bb2 Qd6 e3 O-O-O Be2 Nh6 O-O Nb4 Nd4 c5 Nxf5

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Ne7 d4 O-O Bg5 f6

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Ne7 d4 O-O Bg5 f6 Bf4 Nbc6

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Na5 Bxe5 Nc4 Bd4 Bb4 c3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Ne5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Bh5 Ke7 Nf7 Qe8 Nxh8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Ne5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Bh5 Ke7 Nf7 Qe8 Nxh8 Qxh5 Qxh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Ne7 d4 O-O Bg5 f6 Bf4 Nbc6 Re1 a6

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Na5 Bxe5 Nc4 Bd4 Bb4 c3 Bd6 e3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Brett Beeman    (0952)
e4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 e6 O-O Ne7 d4 O-O Bg5 f6 Bf4 Nbc6 Re1 a6 Nc3 b5

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d6 Bb5 Bd7 Nc3 Be7 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Brett Beeman    (0952)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nc6 b5 Na5 Bxe5 Nc4 Bd4 Bb4 c3 Bd6 e3 Nb2 Qb3

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Contributors : Brett Beeman


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bg5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d6 Bb5 Bd7 Nc3 Be7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Qd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nc6 d5 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Nf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Nf7 Bxf6 exf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Nf7 Bxf6 exf6 Nxe4 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1683)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Nf7 Bxf6 exf6 Nxe4 f5 Ng3 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bg5 Be7 Rd1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bg4 e3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #23942#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Nf6 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #155679#

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6 f3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6 f3 Nf6 e4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6 f3 Nf6 e4 d6 Nc3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Ne3 c6 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6 f3 Nf6 e4 d6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6 f3 Nf6 e4 d6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2 O-O Bh6 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g6 f3 Nf6 e4 d6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2 O-O Bh6 Nbd7 Bxg7 Kxg7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Ne3 c6 d5 Qg6 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O O-O c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O O-O c5 Kh1 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4 Ne5 Qf2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nbd2 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6 Bg5 Rxe1

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4 Ne5 Qf2 Nc4 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nbd2 g5 Bg3 h5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4 Ne5 Qf2 Nc4 Bxc4 bxc4 f4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nbd2 g5 Bg3 h5 Nxe4 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Be7 e4 c5 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Be7 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Be7 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 cxd5 exd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nbd2 g5 Bg3 h5 Nxe4 dxe4 Nxg5 Qd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Ne3 c6 d5 Qg6 c4 Nf6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nbd2 g5 Bg3 h5 Nxe4 dxe4 Nxg5 Qd5 h4 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bd2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bd2 d5 c4 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bd2 d5 c4 Qc7 cxd5 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bd2 d5 c4 Qc7 cxd5 e6 e3 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4 Ne5 Qf2 Nc4 Bxc4 bxc4 f4 d5 f5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 dxe4 O-O Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4 Ne5 Qf2 Nc4 Bxc4 bxc4 f4 d5 f5 exf5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O Bf5 Qf3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O Bf5 Qf3 Bg7 Qxb7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 dxe4 O-O Nc3 Qe7 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O O-O g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 b5 g5 Nd7 h4 Ne5 Qf2 Nc4 Bxc4 bxc4 f4 d5 f5 exf5 Nxd5 Be6 Nxe7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O Bf5 Qf3 Bg7 Qxb7 Nbd7 Ng3

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O Bf5 Qf3 Bg7 Qxb7 Nbd7 Ng3 Bg4 f3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O Bf5 Qf3 Bg7 Qxb7 Nbd7 Ng3 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nxf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bc4 Qe5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Qd6 Bf4 Qd8 Qd3 g6 O-O-O Bf5 Qf3 Bg7 Qxb7 Nbd7 Ng3 Bg4 f3 Bf5 Nxf5 gxf5 Bxc7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1683)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Nd4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 dxe4 O-O Nc3 Qe7 Bc4 Kh8 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 c3 f5 d4 fxe4 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 c3 f5 d4 fxe4 dxc5 exf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 a6 Nxc4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 c3 f5 d4 fxe4 dxc5 exf3 Qxf3 Nf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 c3 f5 d4 fxe4 dxc5 exf3 Qxf3 Nf6 Bg5 O-O Nd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3 Nf6 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nc4 b3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6 Bg5 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nc4 b3 Nb6 d5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nc4 b3 Nb6 d5 Nfd7 Nd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nc4 b3 Nb6 d5 Nfd7 Nd4 Bf6 Rb1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nc4 b3 Nb6 d5 Nfd7 Nd4 Bf6 Rb1 Rc8 Ng3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Na5 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nc4 b3 Nb6 d5 Nfd7 Nd4 Bf6 Rb1 Rc8 Ng3 g6 Ndf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 a6 Nxc4 Nc6 Nce5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 a6 Nxc4 Nc6 Nce5 Nxe5 Nxe5 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 Nc3 a6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3 Nf6 exd5 Qxd5 Bf1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 Nc3 a6 d3 d6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 a6 Nxc4 Nc6 Nce5 Nxe5 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 Nc3 a6 d3 d6 Be2 g6 Nd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3 Nf6 exd5 Qxd5 Bf1 Bc5 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 Nc3 a6 d3 d6 Be2 g6 Nd5 Qd8 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 a6 Nxc4 Nc6 Nce5 Nxe5 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 e5 Qc2 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 Nc3 a6 d3 d6 Be2 g6 Nd5 Qd8 d4 Bg7 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 a6 Nxc4 Nc6 Nce5 Nxe5 Nxe5 f6 Nf3 e5 Qc2 Be6 g3 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 Nc3 a6 d3 d6 Be2 g6 Nd5 Qd8 d4 Bg7 dxc5 dxc5 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3 Nf6 exd5 Qxd5 Bf1 Bc5 h3 O-O Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 d6 d4 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3 Nf6 exd5 Qxd5 Bf1 Bc5 h3 O-O Nf3 Ne4 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6 Bg5 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7 a5 Bxd3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 Nc6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 d6 d4 Qe7 e3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 c3 d5 Bd3 Nf6 exd5 Qxd5 Bf1 Bc5 h3 O-O Nf3 Ne4 d4 Rd8 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 c5 Nf3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6 f4 d6 Nd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 d6 d4 Qe7 e3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 d6 d4 Qe7 e3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7 O-O O-O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6 Bg5 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7 a5 Bxd3 cxd3 f5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 d6 d4 Qe7 e3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7 O-O O-O-O d5 Ngf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 d6 d4 Qe7 e3 Bg4 Be2 Nd7 O-O O-O-O d5 Ngf6 dxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6 Bg5 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7 a5 Bxd3 cxd3 f5 gxf5 Qxf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nbd7 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7 d4 Bb6 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5 exf5 exf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nbd7 d4 e6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3 Nbd7 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nbd7 d4 e6 O-O c6 b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Ne8 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 d6 Nf3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nc3 Nc6 f4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 Nc3 Nc6 f4 Nge7 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #150735#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 c3 Qf6

Transpose to wikichess #143286#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 d6 Nf3 a6 O-O h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nf6 d3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nf6 d3 Be7 Bg5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nbd7 d4 e6 O-O c6 b3 Qc7 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nc6 Be3

Transpose to wikichess #126806#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 d6 Nf3 a6 O-O h6 Re1 Kf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 f6 d4 e6 f4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 d6 Nf3 a6 O-O h6 Re1 Kf7 Bc4 Kg6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nf6 d3 Be7 Bg5 O-O O-O Rb8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bd6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 f6 b3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4 d4 exd4 exd4 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7 d4 Bb6 d5 Nb8 Qd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4 d4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Qa4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4 d4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Qa4 Nc6 d5 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bd6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 f6 b3 Bg4 Nbd2 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8 e5 Na4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8 e5 Na4 Rb1 Qc3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1646)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4 d4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Qa4 Nc6 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2463)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 a4 Re8 g4 Bg6 Bg5 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7 a5 Bxd3 cxd3 f5 gxf5 Qxf5 Qe3 h6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6 Rf2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8 e5 Na4 Rb1 Qc3 Ba6 Bxa2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
c4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 g6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 d5 Qe2 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 d5 Qe2 Be7 Nxe4 dxe4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bf5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6 Rf2 c4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6 Rf2 c4 Bxf8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
c4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bg2 e5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 e6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6 Rf2 c4 Bxf8 Rxf8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 g3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 h6 Bh4 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 h6 Bh4 O-O Bd3 c5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 h6 Bh4 O-O Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 d5 Qe2 Be7 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be6 Nf4 Nc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be6 Nf4 Nc6 Nxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be6 Nf4 Nc6 Nxe6 fxe6 Qh5 g6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 e6 a3 h6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 Qd2 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 Qd2 Nxd5 Bg3 Ne3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 g3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 b5 Bb3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 c6 Nf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 d5 Qe2 Be7 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 O-O Ne5 Bd6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bc4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 e6 a3 h6 h3 a6 g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
c4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bg2 e5 d3 Bg7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf4 c6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3 Nc6 Bg2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3 Qc7 Nd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 O-O a4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf4 c6 d4 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Bh3 Bxh3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Bh3 Bxh3 Nd4 Qd1

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Qxd5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 dxe4 Qxe4 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
c4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bg2 e5 d3 Bg7 Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1646)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 e6 a3 h6 h3 a6 g4 Be4 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 b5 Bd6 c4 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 O-O a4 Re8 Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bc4 e6 Nf3 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 d4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 Be2 c5 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Nc6 g5 Nd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1646)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 Qd2 Nxd5 Bg3 Ne3 Bf2 Nc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Nc6 g5 Nd7 Be3 Be7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf4 c6 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Nf4 c6 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 Qe2 Qe7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c5 Nf3

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3 Qc7 Nd4 a6 Bxh5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3 Qc7 Nd4 a6 Bxh5 Ng6 Bxg6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3 Qc7 Nd4 a6 Bxh5 Ng6 Bxg6 Ke7 Bxf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 h6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2 Bd6 Bxd7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 O-O O-O c3 Re8

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2 Bd6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nc3

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 O-O O-O c3 Re8 e4 dxe4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6 Nbd2 Be7 O-O O-O c3 Re8 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bd7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3 Qc7 Nd4 a6 Bxh5 Ng6 Bxg6 Ke7 Bxf5 exf5 Nxf5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 e3 d6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 O-O Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2352)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Be2 e6 c3 g6 Nf3 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Nd2 h5 Nxf5 gxf5 f4 Nd7 Nf3 Ne7 Be3 Qc7 Nd4 a6 Bxh5 Ng6 Bxg6 Ke7 Bxf5 exf5 Nxf5 Kf8 Qxd5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Jelle Vellema    (1878)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 O-O Be7 Bf4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 O-O Be7 Bf4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 e3 d6 Nc3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 d3 Nc6 Qh5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 e4 d5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 d3 Nc6 Qh5 Qg6 Qh4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 e3 d6 Nc3 Nbd7 a4 Nb6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 e4 d5 cxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 e4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Nfd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 h6 e4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Nfd7 Bd3 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1250)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 e3 d6 Nc3 Nbd7 a4 Nb6 a5 Nc4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Ne7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 g6 d4 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 fxe5 Qh4 g3 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxh1 Nf3 Kf8 Qg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Qe7 d4 Bd6 Bf4 Bxe5 Bxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 fxe5 Qh4 g3 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxh1 Nf3 Kf8 Qg2 Qxg2 Bxg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O O-O Re1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 fxe5 Qh4 g3 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxh1 Nf3 Kf8 Qg2 Qxg2 Bxg2 Nc6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Nf3 c5 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Nf3 c5 d4 Nc6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Nf3 c5 d4 Nc6 Bb5 Qb6 Na3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Nf3 c5 d4 Nc6 Bb5 Qb6 Na3 a6 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qe2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O O-O Re1 Nc6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qe2 Be7 Qb5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O O-O Re1 Nc6 Nbd2 a6 Nb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 e5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 e5 Nxe5 Qe2 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 d6 d3 Nc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 g5 e5 d4 Be7 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 fxe5 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 g5 e5 d4 Be7 h4 e4 c4

Transpose to wikichess #137196#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 e5 Nxe5 Qe2 Qe7 Bb3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 d6 d3 Nc5 d4 Nca6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nxc3 Qxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 Nf6 Nxc3 Nc6 e5 Nxe5 Qe2 Qe7 Bb3 d6 h3 Nd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bd3 exd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nxc3 Qxc3 Nc6 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bd3 exd4 cxd4 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 O-O Bc4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 d6 d3 Nc5 d4 Nca6 c3 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 f3 exf3 Qxf3 Nc6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Nh6 Bxh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1646)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nxc3 Qxc3 Nc6 e4 Bg4 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe4 Qg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O c5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O c5 c3 Nc6 Kh1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe4 Qg4 Nf6 Qxg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe4 Qg4 Nf6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe4 Qg4 Nf6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qh6 Qxd4 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe4 Qg4 Nf6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qh6 Qxd4 Nge2 Qd8 O-O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 d6 d3 Nc5 d4 Nca6 c3 dxe5 Be3 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 d6 d3 Nc5 d4 Nca6 c3 dxe5 Be3 exd4 Bxd4 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6 Ba4 b5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
e4 c6 Be2 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1657)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O Bd3 Nbd7 Nxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3 Qd7 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3 Qd7 Ne5 Qe6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 d4 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 d4 Bd6 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3 Qd7 Ne5 Qe6 O-O Ne4 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 d4 Bd6 O-O O-O Nbd2 Re8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 d3 Be7 a3 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 d3 Be7 a3 O-O b4 Be6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7 d4 c5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7 d4 c5 d5 d6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 e5 g3 g6 Bg2 d6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 e5 g3 g6 Bg2 d6 d3 Nge7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7 d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Nd7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 e5 g3 g6 Bg2 d6 d3 Nge7 O-O Bg7

Transpose to wikichess #98484#

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7 d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Nd7 Be2 Nf8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 d6 c3 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qe2 Qc7 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qe7 O-O g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Ne5 Nbd7 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qe2 Qc7 Nbd2 a6 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Ne5 Nbd7 Bb5 c6 Ba4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Ne5 Nbd7 Bb5 c6 Ba4 Qa5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qe7 O-O g5 c3 g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 c5 Bg2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 exd5 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 d6 c3 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O e5 Re1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qe7 O-O g5 c3 g4 Ne1 Qxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Qe7 O-O g5 c3 g4 Ne1 Qxe4 Bd3 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 d6 c3 O-O Be2 Nbd7 O-O e5 Re1 Re8 Bf1

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 exd5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ngf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 exd5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ngf3 Nf6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bf4 Bd6 Qd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 exd5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ngf3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bf4 Bd6 Qd2 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7 d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Nd7 Be2 Nf8 Qd3 Ng6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 exd5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ngf3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2 Be7 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bf4 Bd6 Qd2 Nf6 Bd3 O-O Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
Nf3 h6 c4 g5 h3 Bg7 d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Nd7 Be2 Nf8 Qd3 Ng6 Nc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bf4 Bd6 Qd2 Nf6 Bd3 O-O Ne2 Re8 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bf4 Bd6 Qd2 Nf6 Bd3 O-O Ne2 Re8 O-O Nc6 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bf5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Bf5 c3 h6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 Bc4 d6 O-O Nf6 Qe2 Be7 Rd1 Qa5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6

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Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 d6 h3 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 O-O a3 Bxc5 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5 Nf3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 O-O a3 Bxc5 Bg5 Bxf2 Kxf2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 O-O a3 Bxc5 Bg5 Bxf2 Kxf2 Ng4 Ke1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 h5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 f4 g6 Bc4 Bg7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6 Qc2 Rc8

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 d6 h3 Nge7 e3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be2 Nge7 O-O

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 h5 g5 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be2 Nge7 O-O cxd4 cxd4

Transpose to wikichess #37398#

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 h5 g5 Nge7 c3 Ng6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 d3

Transpose to wikichess #18207#

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6 Qc2 Rc8 Nxd5 Qxd5

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 d6 h3 Nge7 e3 O-O Bg2 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6 Qc2 Rc8 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nd2 Qxg2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6 Qc2 Rc8 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nd2 Qxg2 Kxg2 Nd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6 Qc2 Rc8 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nd2 Qxg2 Kxg2 Nd4 Kh3 Nxc2

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2170)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nf3 e6 O-O Nge7 d3 O-O Bd2 d5 Qc1 b6 Bh6 Bb7 Bxg7 Kxg7 cxd5 Nxd5 a3 f6 Qc2 Rc8 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nd2 Qxg2 Kxg2 Nd4 Kh3 Nxc2 Rac1 Nd4

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Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 Qg4 Nf6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qh6 Rg6 Qe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 d6 h3 Nge7 e3 O-O Bg2 Bxc3 Qxc3 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 h5 g5 Nge7 c3 Ng6 O-O Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
g4 d5 Bg2 e6 d4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 h3 h5 g5 Nge7 c3 Ng6 O-O Be7 h4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1596)
g4 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 d6 h3 Nge7 e3 O-O Bg2 Bxc3 Qxc3 f5 f3 Kh8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2 Nf6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Nbd7 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Nbd7 Bd2 Be7 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Nbd7 Bd2 Be7 dxe5 Nxe5 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Nbd7 Bd2 Be7 dxe5 Nxe5 a4 Nc4 b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
Nc3 d5 e3 e5 Nge2 Nf6 d4 Nbd7 Bd2 Be7 dxe5 Nxe5 a4 Nc4 b3 Nxd2 Qxd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 Bg5 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bxg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 Bg4 e3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bxg3 hxg3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nh6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne2 Bc5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne2 Bc5 d3 Ne7

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2239)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Nf6 dxc5 b6 e4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2239)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Nf6 dxc5 b6 e4 bxc5 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #168867#

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nbd2 O-O g3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Jelle Vellema    (1870)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne2 Bc5 d3 Ne7 Bb3 d5

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Contributors : Jelle Vellema


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4 g3 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4 g3 Bxc3 Qxc3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4 g3 Bxc3 Qxc3 d5 Bg5 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qf6 Qd1 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qf6 Qd1 c6 Nf3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4 Nf6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4 Nf6 d4 Qxd4 Bb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qf6 Qd1 c6 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4 Nf6 d4 Qxd4 Bb3 Bg4 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Bc4 Nf6 d4 Qxd4 Bb3 Bg4 Nf3 Qxd1 Nxd1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qf6 Qd1 c6 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Ne7 a3 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qf6 Qd1 c6 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Ne7 a3 Bd6 Bg5 Qg6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nbd2 O-O g3 c5 c3 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nbd2 O-O g3 c5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nbd2 O-O g3 c5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 Bg2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1665)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Nbd2 O-O g3 c5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 e4 g6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 e4 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 e4 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Nbd7 e4 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O h3 Bxf3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 a5 b5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 a5 b5 Nd7 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nc3 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 a5 b5 Nd7 c4 Nb6 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 g6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 a5 b5 Nd7 c4 Nb6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 g6 d4 Bf5 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 g6 d4 Bf5 Bc4 Na5 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 a5 b5 Nd7 c4 Nb6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nc3 Nb6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nd7 e3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 g6 d4 Bf5 Bc4 Na5 Bb5 c6 Ba4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nd7 e3 a6 Bd3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nd7 e3 a6 Bd3 e6 Bxf5 exf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nd7 e3 a6 Bd3 e6 Bxf5 exf5 O-O h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 c5 c4 d6 d4 Bf5 Nc3 Nd7 e3 a6 Bd3 e6 Bxf5 exf5 O-O h6 b3 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 b3 Nf6 g3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 b3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 b3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2 c6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 b3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 b3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O O-O Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2 c6 e3 Nf6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 c4 Nf6 Nc3

Transpose to wikichess #91902#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
Nf3 d5 c4 e6 b3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb2 Be7 Bg2 O-O O-O Bg4 d3 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2 c6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2 c6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2 c6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Bd6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
g3 e5 Nc3 d5 Bg2 c6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Bd6 d3 Nbd7 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 e3

Transpose to wikichess #104740#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Nh5 Nh3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Nh5 Nh3 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c6 d3 d5 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Nh5 Nh3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Nf2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 Nh5 Nh3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Nf2 Qxc4 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c6 d3 d5 a4 a5 Na3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 gxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 gxf3 g6 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 gxf3 g6 d5 Ne5 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 gxf3 g6 d5 Ne5 f4 Nd7 Qd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1595)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 gxf3 g6 d5 Ne5 f4 Nd7 Qd4 f6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c6 d3 d5 a4 a5 Na3 Na6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 c3 dxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 d6 d4 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 a4 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 a4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 d5 Bxd5 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 a4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Nbd7 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 d5 Bxd5 Bc5 O-O c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 c3 dxc3 bxc3 d5 Bxd5 Bc5 O-O c6 Qb3 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 a4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 a4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Nbd7 Bg5 Be7 a5 a6 Ba4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O O-O d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bd3 a6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bd3 a6 Nf3 Qd8 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Re1 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bd3 a6 Nf3 Qd8 O-O g6 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 Ng4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bd3 a6 Nf3 Qd8 O-O g6 Bf4 Bg7 Be4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 Ng4 c3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 O-O Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c6 d3 d5 a4 a5 Na3 Na6 h3 Nf6 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 Ng4 c3 Be7 Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 h4 h5 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 O-O a6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 O-O Nc6 Ne2 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Ne2 d6 Ng3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 Ng4 c3 Be7 Nf3 d6 exd6 Bxd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 Ng4 c3 Be7 Nf3 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Qa4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 O-O a6 a3 b5 Ba2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bb5 Bd7 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Ne2 d6 Ng3 Ng6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 O-O a6 a3 b5 Ba2 Be7 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 O-O Nc6 Ne2 a6 a3 b5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nh6 fxe5 Ng4 c3 Be7 Nf3 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Qa4 Nc6 Ba3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bb5 Bd7 d5 Ne5 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 f3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 f3 exf3 Nxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 exd6 exd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 O-O a6 a3 b5 Ba2 Be7 b4 O-O d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Bd2 Bg4 f3 Bh5 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bb5 Bd7 d5 Ne5 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 O-O Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Bd2 Bg4 f3 Bh5 Bc4 c6 g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 O-O Bc5 e5 Nh5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 h4 h5 Bg5 f6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 O-O Bc5 e5 Nh5 Qd5 Qe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c6 d3 d5 a4 a5 Na3 Na6 h3 Nf6 h4 Bg4 f3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Ng6 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Bd2 Bg4 f3 Bh5 Bc4 c6 g4 Bg6 Nd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Ne2 d6 Ng3 Ng6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bb5 Bd7 d5 Ne5 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nge2 O-O-O Qd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 d6 d4 Bb7 f3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ng4 exd6 exd6 Ng5 Qe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Ng6 h4 h5 Bb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O Nf6 d3

Transpose to wikichess #161410#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Bb5 Bd7 d5 Ne5 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nge2 O-O-O Qd4 Nc6 Qc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 Bc4 d6 O-O Nf6 Qe2 Be7 Rd1 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 d6 d4 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 Be3 g6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 d6 d4 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 Be3 g6 Qd2 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 Qf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 d6 d4 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 Be3 g6 Qd2 Bg7 g4 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Ne2 d6 Ng3 Ng6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4 e6 Bf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 h4 h5 Bg5 f6 Be3 Bb4 c3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Ng6 h4 h5 Bb5 Bd7 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Ne2 d6 Ng3 Ng6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 O-O Nf6 c4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4 Be3 Bd2

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4 Be3 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxf2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4 e6 Bf4 Bd6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Rb8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Rb8 Nxe5 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Rb8 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Rb8 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 c5 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Rb8 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 c5 O-O O-O e3 Nxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4 e6 Bf4 Bd6 e3 Bxf4 exf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 c5 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4 Be3 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxf2 Ke1 Nxh1

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
Nf3 c5 a3 Nc6 e4

Transpose to wikichess #101236#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1674)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxc3 Nxc6 Nxd1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4 e6 Bf4 Bd6 e3 Bxf4 exf4 Nf6 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4 e6 Bf4 Bd6 e3 Bxf4 exf4 Nf6 dxc5 Qa5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3

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Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3

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Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1629)
g3 d5 Bg2 c5 d4 e6 Bf4 Bd6 e3 Bxf4 exf4 Nf6 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 d5 Nce7 Nf3 Ng6 h4 h5 Bg5 f6 Be3 Bb4 c3 Ba5 Nfd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Be7 g3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Qd2 Nc6 Rb1 a6 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd2 Kxd2 e6 h4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3 Bc5 Bd1

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3 Bc5 Bd1 Rhe8 O-O

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3 Bc5 Bd1 Rhe8 O-O h6 Bd2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Qd2 Nc6 Rb1 a6 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd2 Kxd2 e6 h4 O-O Bd3

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 b6 e4 Bb7

Transpose to wikichess #51495#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2061)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Qd2 Nc6 Rb1 a6 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd2 Kxd2 e6 h4 O-O Bd3 h6 Rc5

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3 Bc5 Bd1 Rhe8 O-O h6 Bd2 Bg8 Rxf5

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Qd2 Nc6 Rb1 a6 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd2 Kxd2 e6 h4 O-O Bd3 h6 Rc5 Rd8 Rb1

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3 Bc5 Bd1 Rhe8 O-O h6 Bd2 Bg8 Rxf5 Bxc4 Nf4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Qf3 f5 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 d4 Be2 Nc6 Qg3 Be6 c4 Qd7 Rb1 O-O-O h4 b6 Nh3 Bc5 Bd1 Rhe8 O-O h6 Bd2 Bg8 Rxf5 Bxc4 Nf4 Bxa2 Bg4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Qd2 Nc6 Rb1 a6 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd2 Kxd2 e6 h4 O-O Bd3 h6 Rc5 Rd8 Rb1 Nxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Be3 Qa5 Qd2 Nc6 Rb1 a6 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd2 Kxd2 e6 h4 O-O Bd3 h6 Rc5 Rd8 Rb1 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Be7 g3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nf5 O-O Be3 Bxe3

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Be7 g3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bg2 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nf5 O-O Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nce7

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Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8 Ne5 a6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8 Ne5 a6 Qd2 Be6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Be7 g3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bg2 Bd7 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8 Ne5 a6 Qd2 Be6 Nxc6 Qxd6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg4 d4 exd4 exd4 Bb4 Qa4 Nc6 d5 Bxc3 bxc3 Bd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 c6 a4 a5 Ba2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nf5 O-O Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nce7 Bd3 d6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O e6 Be3

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O e6 Be3 b6 Qd2

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O e6 Be3 b6 Qd2 Bb7 Bg5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1629)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Qf6

Transpose to wikichess #122312#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nf5 O-O Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nce7 Bd3 d6 c4 c6

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1750)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 a3 c5 Nf3 Be7 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 a3 c5 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O e4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1750)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 a3 c5 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O e4 cxd4 Nxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 a3 c5 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O e4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4 Bd6 Qa4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1750)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 a3 c5 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O e4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Be2 d6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Bc4 Bb4 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #753#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Rf5 Nd4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Rf5 Nd4 Rf6 Be2

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nf5 O-O Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nce7 Bd3 d6 c4 c6 Nc3 f5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2061)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O Ng6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nf5 O-O Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nce7 Bd3 d6 c4 c6 Nc3 f5 exf5 Nxf5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1750)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 e6 dxe6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 f4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 f4 Qc7 d4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 f4 Qc7 d4 Bb4 Bd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1750)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 f4 Qc7 d4 Bb4 Bd3 O-O Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 b6 e5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1695)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bb4 Qb3 a5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bb4 Qb3 a5 O-O Bc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bb4 Qb3 a5 O-O Bc5 d3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 b6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 Bc4 a6 O-O b5 Bb3 Na5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 Nf3 e6 Bc4 a6 O-O b5 Bb3 Na5 Bc2 Bb7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 d4 cxd4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 h6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 h6 h3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 h6 h3 Be7 f4 Nbd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 h6 h3 Be7 f4 Nbd7 Nf3 Nh5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 h6 h3 Be7 f4 Nbd7 Nf3 Nh5 O-O Nxf4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 Qf6

Transpose to wikichess #54025#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nc3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 h6 h3 Be7 f4 Nbd7 Nf3 Nh5 O-O Nxf4 Ne2 Nxe2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 b6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nfd7 Nxf7

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1695)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6 e3 Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #182550#

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nbd7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nbd7 O-O e5 fxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6 a3 g6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Valery Nemchenko    (2001)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 b6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nfd7 Nxf7 Kxf7 Bc4

============

Contributors : Valery Nemchenko


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6 a3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6 a3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O e5 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
b3 e6 Bb2 d5

Transpose to wikichess #40100#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Qe2 Qe7 Nd4 Qe5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 c5 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6 a3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O e5 Bd2 Nf6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 c5 b6 b4 bxc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 c5 b6 b4 bxc5 dxc5 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6 a3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O e5 Bd2 Nf6 h3 d5 Re1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Qe2 Qe7 Nd4 Qe5 c3 Nf6 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Qe2 Qe7 Nd4 Qe5 c3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Qe2 Qe7 Nd4 Qe5 c3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 c5 b6 b4 bxc5 dxc5 a5 Qa4 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 fxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qh4 g3 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxh1 d4 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 fxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qh4 g3 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxh1 d4 Be7 Nf3 d5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nf2 Rg8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 c5 b6 b4 bxc5 dxc5 a5 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 Bxb5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nf2 Rg8 d4 Bh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1695)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 d6 Nxg4 Nf6 Nf2 Rg8 d4 Bh6 Nc3 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 Nc3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Qe2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Qe2 O-O O-O Bg4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3 Be7 Bb5 c6 Bd3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3 Be7 Bb5 c6 Bd3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 Bd3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nd7 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 g4 Ng1 Bh6 Nc3 Nc6 Qd3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 h4 g4 Ng1 Bh6 Nc3 Nc6 Qd3 Bd7 Nd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 d5 exd5 Bd6 Qe2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 f4 e5 Nf3 Nbd7 a4 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3

============

Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 f4 e5 Nf3 Nbd7 a4 Qc7 Bd3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3

============

Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2

============

Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Ne2

============

Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Ne2 O-O h3

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Ne2 O-O h3 b6 g4

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 d5 exd5 Bd6 Qe2 O-O d4 Nh5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Qc2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Qc2 Bg7 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 e5 Nc3 d6 e3 Nc6

Transpose to wikichess #81074#

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4 Bd2 d5

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4 Bd2 d5 a3 Bxc3

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Neemias Alves de Lima    (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4 Bd2 d5 a3 Bxc3 Bxc3 O-O

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Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Bxf6 gxf6 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Bxf6 gxf6 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Qxc5 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxe2 Bxe2 h5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 fxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qh4 g3 Qxe4 Qe2 Qxh1 d4 Be7 Nf3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Bxf6 gxf6 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Qxc5 e4 d6 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Bxf6 gxf6 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Qxc5 e4 d6 c3 Nd7 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Bxf6 gxf6 dxc5 Qa5 Nd2 Qxc5 e4 d6 c3 Nd7 Bc4 Ne5 b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Nxd7 Nbxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Nxd7 Nbxd7 Nc3 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Bb5 Bd7 Nxd7 Nbxd7 Nc3 Qc7 Bxd7 Nxd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1739)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf2 Kd1 Qxd5 Nfd2 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 c4 e6 Qe2 Bd6 dxe6 fxe6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 c4 e6 Qe2 Bd6 dxe6 fxe6 d3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 dxe5 Nxe5 Qh4 g3 Nxg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 dxe5 Nxe5 Qh4 g3 Nxg3 hxg3 Qxh1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3 d5 Ne3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3 d5 Ne3 Be6 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3 d5 Ne3 Be6 h4 d4 Nc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3 d5 Ne3 Be6 h4 d4 Nc4 Bxc4 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg5 Nf6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3 d5 Ne3 Be6 h4 d4 Nc4 Bxc4 dxc4 Bb4 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg5 Nf6 e3 cxd4 exd4

Transpose to wikichess #112679#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 d3 d5 Ne3 Be6 h4 d4 Nc4 Bxc4 dxc4 Bb4 c3 dxc3 b3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h4 Nbd7 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h4 Nbd7 c3 e5 fxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h4 Nbd7 c3 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h4 Nbd7 c3 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 Be2 Bxf3 gxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h4 Nbd7 c3 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 Be2 Bxf3 gxf3 Qd7 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Ba6 Qc2 d5 cxd5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5 c3 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Ba6 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 Bd3 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Ba6 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nc3 Bd6 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Qe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 c5 d5 d6 e3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Bd3 Qa5 Bxf6 Nxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Qe5 Qe2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1701)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Qe5 Qe2 Nf6 Nd2 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 c5 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 c5 dxc5 dxc5 Qxd8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 c5 dxc5 dxc5 Qxd8 Kxd8 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7 Qxc4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bc4 d6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bc4 d6 d3 Bg4 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bc4 d6 d3 Bg4 Be3 c6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7 Qxc4 e6 g3 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7 Qxc4 e6 g3 g6 Qc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 c5 dxc5 dxc5 Qxd8 Kxd8 e5 Nfd7 Nf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 c5 dxc5 dxc5 Qxd8 Kxd8 e5 Nfd7 Nf3 h6 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7 Qxc4 e6 g3 g6 Qc3 Nf6 Qxf6 h5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7 Qxc4 e6 g3 g6 Qc3 Nf6 Qxf6 h5 Qxh8 Nc6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Qd7 Qxc4 e6 g3 g6 Qc3 Nf6 Qxf6 h5 Qxh8 Nc6 b3 Nb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 a4 b6 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 a4 b6 a5 b5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 a4 b6 a5 b5 O-O Bg7 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nf6 Re1

Transpose to wikichess #165964#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 dxc6 a4 b6 a5 b5 O-O Bg7 d3 Qd6 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Be2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Be2 O-O O-O Re8 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Qh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Qh5 Ngf6 Qg5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Qh5 Ngf6 Qg5 Qb6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Qh5 Ngf6 Qg5 Qb6 Nf3 Ne4 Qe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 d5 c4 c6 g3 e6

Transpose to wikichess #44266#

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 d4 d6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 f3 Nf6 fxe4 Be7 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 Bg5 dxc4 Qa4 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nc3 Nf6 d3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nc3 Nf6 d3 e5 Be2 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nc3 Nf6 d3 e5 Be2 Bb4 Bd2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 g6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O Nd7 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3 Bg4 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O Nd7 c4 N5b6 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 c4 c6 Nc3 g6 Qb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3 Bg4 d3 Bb4 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1776)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5 Nc3 Bg4 d3 Bb4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O O-O Re1 a6

Transpose to wikichess #144630#

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2 Ne5 Bf1

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2 Ne5 Bf1 Qc7 Nb3

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 e5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nd2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 c4 c6 Nc3 g6 Qb3 Qc7 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 c4 c6 Nc3 g6 Qb3 Qc7 Be2 Bg7 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2 Ne5 Bf1 Qc7 Nb3 h5 Rxe5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1761)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 c4 c6 Nc3 g6 Qb3 Qc7 Be2 Bg7 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O Bf2 a5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O Bf2 a5 b4 d5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O Bf2 a5 b4 d5 exd5 Ba8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Ngf3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c4 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Ngf3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c4 c5 Nb3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Ngf3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c4 c5 Nb3 Nc6 Bf4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Ngf3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c4 c5 Nb3 Nc6 Bf4 cxd4 a3 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 d6 Nf3 g6 e4 Bg7 h3

Transpose to wikichess #120177#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7 Bc4 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nc3 a6 g3 Nc6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nc3 a6 g3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Nd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nc3 a6 g3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Bg4 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7 Bc4 a6 Qd2 f5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nc3 a6 g3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nc3 a6 g3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Nd4 Bd7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nc3 a6 g3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 Bg2 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 O-O Nf6 Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 c3 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5

Transpose to wikichess #17256#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2020)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 d4 Bb4 Bd2 c5 Nxe4 dxe4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2 Nf6 f3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2 Nf6 f3 exf3 exf3

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Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2 Nf6 f3 exf3 exf3 O-O O-O

============

Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nc6 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2 Nf6 f3 exf3 exf3 O-O O-O Qxd2 N1xd2

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2 Nf6 f3 exf3 exf3 O-O O-O Qxd2 N1xd2 a5 Nc5

============

Contributors : George Jempty


George Jempty    (2020)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 d3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 dxc4 dxc4 f5 Bg2 Nf6 f3 exf3 exf3 O-O O-O Qxd2 N1xd2 a5 Nc5 a4 Rfd1

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Contributors : George Jempty


Emile Trigance    (1816)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 e6 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nc6 Nxd5 exd5 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 a3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Bxf6 Qxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e4 Nxe5 f4 Ng6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Nxb4 Qxb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e4 Nxe5 f4 Ng6 Nc3 Bb4 Nge2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e4 Nxe5 f4 Ng6 Nc3 Bb4 Nge2 Nc6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 Nge2 Nf6 O-O

Transpose to wikichess #78700#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e4 Nxe5 f4 Ng6 Nc3 Bb4 Nge2 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Qf6 Nf3 Nc6 b5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e3 Bc5 Be2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Qf6 Nf3 Nc6 b5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e3 Bc5 Be2 d5 O-O Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 a3 Be7 e3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Qf6 Nf3 Nc6 b5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e3 Bc5 Be2 d5 O-O Bf5 d3 Bb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6 a3 a5 b5 cxb5 Nc3 b4 axb4 Qxb4 Ba3 Qb6 Nd5 Qd8 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 a3 Be7 e3 d5 h3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 a3 Be7 e3 d5 h3 O-O Nf3 Re8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 a3 Be7 e3 d5 h3 O-O Nf3 Re8 Be2 b5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Nxb4 Qxb4 c3 Qe7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 e3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 g3 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 g3 d5 exd5 exd5 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 e3 d5 Be2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 g3 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 a6 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 a6 a4 e6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 Be7 Bd3 Nf6 h3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 e3 d5 Be2 Nbd7 Bg3 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 a6 a4 e6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 e3 d5 Be2 Nbd7 Bg3 Bxc3 dxc3 Qa5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 a6 a4 e6 Bc4 Nf6 O-O Bd6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 e3 d5 Be2 Nbd7 Bg3 Bxc3 dxc3 Qa5 Qd3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 f4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bd6 h5 Bh7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1804)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nxe5 dxe4 Nxc6 Qd5 c4 Qd6 Nxa7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3 Nf6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3 Nf6 a3 e6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 e5 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3 Nf6 a3 e6 d3 Bd6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3 Nf6 a3 e6 d3 Bd6 Nbd2 b6 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3 Nf6 a3 e6 d3 Bd6 Nbd2 b6 c3 Bb7 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 e5 cxd5 cxd5 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 e5 cxd5 cxd5 dxe5 d4 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
Nf3 d5 h3 c5 e3 Nf6 a3 e6 d3 Bd6 Nbd2 b6 c3 Bb7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 e5 cxd5 cxd5 dxe5 d4 Ne4 Qa5 Nd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Bg5 Ke8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 e5 cxd5 cxd5 dxe5 d4 Ne4 Qa5 Nd2 Nc6 Ngf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 e5 cxd5 cxd5 dxe5 d4 Ne4 Qa5 Nd2 Nc6 Ngf3 Bg4 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 Na6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3 Bb7 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3 Bb7 d5 Nf6 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3 Bb7 d5 Nf6 e5 Nxd5 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3 Bb7 d5 Nf6 e5 Nxd5 f4 e6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3 Bb7 d5 Nf6 e5 Nxd5 f4 e6 Bd3 Nxf4 Kf1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c3 Bb7 d5 Nf6 e5 Nxd5 f4 e6 Bd3 Nxf4 Kf1 Bxg2 Ke1

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 Na6 Bd2 Nb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 Na6 Bd2 Nb4 Bxb4 cxb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 Na6 Bd2 Nb4 Bxb4 cxb4 e4 Qa5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 c4 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 Na6 Bd2 Nb4 Bxb4 cxb4 e4 Qa5 b3 bxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 Na6 Bd2 Nb4 Bxb4 cxb4 e4 Qa5 b3 bxc4 Bxc4 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c4 Bb7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c4 Bb7 Bd3 bxc4 Bxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 c4 g6 g3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 Bc5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c4 Bb7 Bd3 bxc4 Bxc4 Bxe4 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1809)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 dxc4 e3 b5 a4

Transpose to wikichess #69976#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 c4 g6 g3 c5 b5 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 Bc5 O-O d6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c4 Bb7 Bd3 bxc4 Bxc4 Bxe4 Nf3 e6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 e3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 Bc5 O-O d6 h3 O-O a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 e3 Nf6 Nf3 c6

Transpose to wikichess #7278#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 c4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 Bc5 O-O d6 h3 O-O a3 Ne7 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O Nb6 Bb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 c4 g6 g3 c5 b5 d5 Qc2 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 h6 e4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c4 Bb7 Bd3 bxc4 Bxc4 Bxe4 Nf3 e6 Nbd2 Bxf3 Nxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 h6 e4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 a6 d4 b5 c4 Bb7 Bd3 bxc4 Bxc4 Bxe4 Nf3 e6 Nbd2 Bxf3 Nxf3 Bb4 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 c4 g6 g3 c5 b5 d5 Qc2 d4 d3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 h6 e4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e5 Nb3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 h6 e4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e5 Nb3 d6 h3 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
d4 h6 e4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O e5 Nb3 d6 h3 Be6 c4 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 c4 g6 g3 c5 b5 d5 Qc2 d4 d3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6 g4

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Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6 g4 Nb6 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6 g4 Nb6 a4 d5 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1806)
a3 f5 b4 e5

Transpose to wikichess #61650#

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3 Bxb4 a3

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3 Bxb4 a3 Ba5 c4

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5 Bf4 Nf6

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5 Bf4 Nf6 h3 O-O

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3 Bxb4 a3 Ba5 c4 c6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3 Bxb4 a3 Ba5 c4 c6 Nf3 Ne7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3 Bxb4 a3 Ba5 c4 c6 Nf3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5 Bf4 Nf6 h3 O-O Nf3 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e3 Bxb4 a3 Ba5 c4 c6 Nf3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O d5 Qb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5 Bf4 Nf6 h3 O-O Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5 Bf4 Nf6 h3 O-O Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Nbd7 e3 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
a3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3 d5 Bf4 Nf6 h3 O-O Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Nbd7 e3 Bb7 Bd3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4 e4 c4

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bb4 Nc3

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Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bb4 Nc3 c5 cxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bb4 Nc3 c5 cxd5 Qxd5 dxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bb4 Nc3 c5 cxd5 Qxd5 dxc5 Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1864)
g4 d5 g5 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bb4 Nc3 c5 cxd5 Qxd5 dxc5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qxc5 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6

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Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5

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Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5 Nxg4 fxg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d3 d5

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Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5 Nxg4 fxg4 e3 h5

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Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5 Nxg4 fxg4 e3 h5 g3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5 Nxg4 fxg4 e3 h5 g3 e6 Bd3 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5 Nxg4 fxg4 e3 h5 g3 e6 Bd3 Bc5 Bg6 Kf8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 f5 Nxg4 fxg4 e3 h5 g3 e6 Bd3 Bc5 Bg6 Kf8 O-O Rh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d3 d5 d4 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d3 d5 d4 e6 e3 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d3 d5 d4 e6 e3 Bd7 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d3 d5 d4 e6 e3 Bd7 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d3 d5 d4 e6 e3 Bd7 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O a3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 c4 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 c4 Be7 b3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1

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Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1 d5 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
Nf3 c5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1 d5 h3 e5 h4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
Nf3 c5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 e3 g6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1 d5 h3 e5 h4 Be6 h5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 c6 O-O-O d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 d3 a6 a4

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Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 d3 a6 a4 Nc6 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1 d5 h3 e5 h4 Be6 h5 Nc6 d3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 d3 a6 a4 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 d3 a6 a4 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 d3 a6 a4 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2 Nge7 Bb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 Nxe4 Qxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 c6 O-O-O d5 Rhe1 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6 d3 a6 a4 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe2 Nge7 Bb3 g6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
Nf3 c5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 e3 g6 Nc3 a6 Qf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 c4 Nge7 e3 d5 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 c4 Nge7 e3 d5 d4 exd4 exd4 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1 d5 h3 e5 h4 Be6 h5 Nc6 d3 g5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 c4 Nge7 e3 d5 d4 exd4 exd4 Bf5 Bd3 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 c4 Nge7 e3 d5 d4 exd4 exd4 Bf5 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 c4 Nge7 e3 d5 d4 exd4 exd4 Bf5 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb4 Na3 Ned5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Kf1 d5 h3 e5 h4 Be6 h5 Nc6 d3 g5 Nc3 h6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
Nf3 c5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 e3 g6 Nc3 a6 Qf3 Nf6 h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
Nf3 c5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 e3 g6 Nc3 a6 Qf3 Nf6 h3 Bg7 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1851)
Nf3 c5 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d5 e3 g6 Nc3 a6 Qf3 Nf6 h3 Bg7 Bd3 e5 Nb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5

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Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 Bf4

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Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 Nc3 c6 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 e6 Bf4 gxh3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 e6 Bf4 gxh3 Nxh3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 Nge7 h3 Ng6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 e6 Bf4 gxh3 Nxh3 Nc6 e3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 e6 Bf4 gxh3 Nxh3 Nc6 e3 Be7 Nd2 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 e6 Bf4 gxh3 Nxh3 Nc6 e3 Be7 Nd2 Nf6 Rg1 Ng4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 g5 Bd2 fxg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 g5 Bd2 fxg4 Bg2 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 Nge7 h3 Ng6 Bg3 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 Nc3 c6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 Nge7 h3 Ng6 Bg3 f4 Bh2 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Nbd7 hxg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 g5 Bd2 fxg4 Bg2 Nge7 f4 gxf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Nbd7 hxg4 b5 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 Nc3 c6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 Nge7 h3 Ng6 Bg3 f4 Bh2 Bc5 Nc3 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Bf4 g5 Bd2 fxg4 Bg2 Nge7 f4 gxf4 Bxf4 Ng6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 h3 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Nbd7 hxg4 b5 g5 Nh5 Rxh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 Nc3 c6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bg2 Nbd7 Ne2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 f5 Qd3 d5 g4 fxg4 Nc3 c6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bg2 Nbd7 Ne2 e6 Ng5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 cxd5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 e6 b3 Be7 Bb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 e6 b3 Be7 Bb2 Bf6 d4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
e4 e6 d3 d5 e5 c5 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #31239#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d3 d5 Nd2 e5 e4 Nf6 Be2 c5 c3 Nc6 h3 Be7 Qc2 Be6 Nf1 a5 a4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 b6 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 e4 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 b6 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 e4 Bb7 Nf3 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d3 d5 d4

Transpose to wikichess #15#

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Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 b6 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 e4 Bb7 Nf3 e5 Nxe5 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 e6 a3 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4

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Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4 e5 e3

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Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4 e5 e3 Bxb4 c3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 b6 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 e4 Bb7 Nf3 e5 Nxe5 Nf6 Qa4 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4 e5 e3 Bxb4 c3 Bd6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 e6 a3 Bxf3 exf3 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 b6 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 e4 Bb7 Nf3 e5 Nxe5 Nf6 Qa4 c6 Be3 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 e6 a3 Bxf3 exf3 c6 c4 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4 e5 e3 Bxb4 c3 Bd6 Bb5 c6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4 e5 e3 Bxb4 c3 Bd6 Bb5 c6 Bd3 e4 Bxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 Qc7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 f6 d4 e5 e3 Bxb4 c3 Bd6 Bb5 c6 Bd3 e4 Bxe4 dxe4 Nfd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 e6 a3 Bxf3 exf3 c6 c4 Nf6 d4 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 Qc7 c5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 Qc7 c5 Nbd7 b4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 e6 a3 Bxf3 exf3 c6 c4 Nf6 d4 dxc4 Bxc4 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 e6 a3 Bxf3 exf3 c6 c4 Nf6 d4 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Be7 Bd3 Qc7 c5 Nbd7 b4 e5 Be2 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 O-O Rc1 h6 Bh4 Re8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 O-O Rc1 h6 Bh4 Re8 f3 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Qc2 Qa5 Nd2 Nd6 e4 e5 Bd3 f6 Ne2 Nf7 O-O d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8

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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Qe2

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 d5 d3

Transpose to wikichess #163673#

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 g4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4 Nc7 Kd8

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 b5 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Qe2 Be7 d4

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Nf6 Nf3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4 Be2 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Bd3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d5 Bxf4 dxe4 dxe4

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 d6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 g4 fxg3 hxg3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4 Nc7 Kd8 Nxa8 b5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Raimo Koivuniemi    (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4 Nc7 Kd8 Nxa8 b5 Ne3 Ne5

============

Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O Nc3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4 Be2 Bxc3 dxc3 Qxe4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 Be7 exd6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Bd3 Be7 O-O

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d5 Bxf4 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 d6 Bxf4 Nf6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 g4 fxg3 hxg3 Nxg3 Rg1

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O Nc3 d6 Bd2

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4 Be2 Bxc3 dxc3 Qxe4 O-O f6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 Be7 exd6 cxd6 Qb5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d5 Bxf4 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nxe4 Be3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 g4 fxg3 hxg3 Nxg3 Rg1 Nxf1 Rxf1

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 d3 e5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 b5 Be2 g6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 d3 e5 h3 Bxb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 d3 e5 h3 Bxb4 Bc3 Bxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 d3 e5 h3 Bxb4 Bc3 Bxc3 Nxc3 Bxf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d5 Bxf4 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nxe4 Be3 Bg4 Be2

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O Nc3 d6 Bd2 Bg4 O-O-O

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Nf6 Nf3 Qh6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4 Be2 Bxc3 dxc3 Qxe4 O-O f6 Bd3 Qg4

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 Be7 exd6 cxd6 Qb5 Bd7 Qxh5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 d5 b4 Bg4 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 d3 e5 h3 Bxb4 Bc3 Bxc3 Nxc3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nc5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O Nc3 d6 Bd2 dxe5 Qxe5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 dxe5 dxe5

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nc6 d4 d6 Bxf4 Nf6 Nc3 Bg4

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 Nf3 Qxf4 Nc3 Bb4 Be2 Bxc3 dxc3 Qxe4 O-O f6 Bd3 Qg4 Be2 Qe6

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Nf6 Nf3 Qh6 Nc3 d6 Ke1

============

Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 d4 e4 Bg5 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 d4 e4 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Ncxe7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 d4 e4 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Ncxe7 Nd2 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 d4 e4 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Ncxe7 Nd2 Nf6 e3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 d4 e4 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Ncxe7 Nd2 Nf6 e3 O-O Be2 d6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1859)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Qf6 O-O Bc5 e5 Qf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1859)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Qf6 O-O Bc5 e5 Qf5 c3 Nge7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1859)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Qf6 O-O Bc5 e5 Qf5 c3 Nge7 cxd4 Bb6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1859)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Qf6 O-O Bc5 e5 Qf5 c3 Nge7 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
d4 e5 dxe5 d6 exd6 Nf6 dxc7 Qxc7 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
d4 e5 dxe5 d6 exd6 Nf6 dxc7 Qxc7 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 Bxc3 bxc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
d4 e5 dxe5 d6 exd6 Nf6 dxc7 Qxc7 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qxc3 Qd2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
d4 e5 dxe5 d6 exd6 Nf6 dxc7 Qxc7 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qxc3 Qd2 Qxa1 Qd1

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
d4 e5 dxe5 d6 exd6 Nf6 dxc7 Qxc7 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O e3 a6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 f6 Qh5 g6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 dxc3 Qb3 Qd7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 d6 d4 h6 Nc3 Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 d5 Ne7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 f6 Qh5 g6 Nxg6 hxg6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Nf6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6

Transpose to wikichess #222320#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 f6 Qh5 g6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qxh8 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 f6 Qh5 g6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qxh8 Nge7 Bh6 Ng8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 dxc3 Qb3 Qd7 Qxc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 c4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 f6 Qh5 g6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qxh8 Nge7 Bh6 Ng8 Qxg8 Ne7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 dxc3 Qb3 Qd7 Qxc3 Nf6 Nbd2 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Bb4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 c4 dxc4 Qc2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 c4 dxc4 Qc2 Qd7 Bxc4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 c4 dxc4 Qc2 Qd7 Bxc4 c6 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 Qa5 Nbd2 Nh6 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 a3 d5 e3 Be6 c4 dxc4 Qc2 Qd7 Bxc4 c6 Be2 Qf7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 a3 Be7

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1840)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 a3 Be7 O-O d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nd2 Nc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Qh4 g3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Qh4 g3 Qh5 Bg2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nd2 Nc5 Ngf3 Bb7

Transpose to wikichess #233433#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Nxd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Qh4 g3 Qh5 Bg2 Nc5 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Qh4 g3 Qh5 Bg2 Nc5 Nc3 c6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Qh4 g3 Qh5 Bg2 Nc5 Nc3 c6 Nf3 Be7 b4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Bf5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Nxd2 Qxd2 dxe5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Nxd2 Qxd2 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Nxd2 Qxd2 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Bg5 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Bf5 Ngf3 dxe5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Nxd2 Qxd2 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 g6 c4

Transpose to wikichess #37474#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Bf5 Ngf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 e5

Transpose to wikichess #19310#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Bf5 Ngf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Bd6 Nef3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Nd2 Bf5 Ngf3 dxe5 Nxe5 Bd6 Nef3 Nc6 Nxe4 Bxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 d6 Be2

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 d6 Be2 h6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 d6 Be2 h6 O-O Bxc3 Bxc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 c5 Nf3 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 g6

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 g6 O-O Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1863)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 O-O O-O-O

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Qf3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c3 Be7 e3 c5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Qf3 Nf6 Nc3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Qf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h4

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Qf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h4 c6 h5

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Qf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h4 c6 h5 Bg4 Qg3

============

Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
d4 d6 e3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Qf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O h4 c6 h5 Bg4 Qg3 Bxh5 Rxh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c3 Be7 e3 c5 Bxf6 Bxf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c3 Be7 e3 c5 Bxf6 Bxf6 d4 O-O

Transpose to wikichess #180295#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 Bxe5 Bxb4

Transpose to wikichess #64544#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 a3 a6 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 a3 a6 e4 Qc7 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d5 Bb5 Bd6 f4 f6 Nh3 Bxh3 Qh5

Transpose to wikichess #168419#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 a3 a6 e4 Qc7 Be3 d6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nb3 g6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nb3 g6 Be2 Bg7 g4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Nbd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nc6 Nxg6 hxg6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Qa4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Qd2 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Qa4 Bd7 Qd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nc6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bxc4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g6 f4 Bg7 Bb5 Nfd7 Bd3 Qh4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Qa4 Bd7 Qd4 Qxd4 Nxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Qa4 Bd7 Qd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Qb6 Be3 Qxb2 Ndb5 Qb4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Nb3 g6 Be2 Bg7 g4 b5 g5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1838)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5

Transpose to wikichess #35302#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1255)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Bb4

Transpose to wikichess #602#

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1867)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 d6 exd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Be6 Nf3 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1255)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Nxd4 c3 b5 Bxb5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1867)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Nxd4 c3 b5 Bxb5 Nxb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Be6 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Be6 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nh6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 f3 exf3 Nxf3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Nc6 Bb5 Qd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Be6 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nh6 d3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1857)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3 Be6 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nh6 d3 O-O Nbd2 a5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 b6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 b6 O-O Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 b6 O-O Bb7 Nbd2 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3 d4 Ne4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 Bd6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e4 Ng5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nxd5 Bd7

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 e5 e3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 Bc5 c3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nxd5 Bd7 Nc3 a6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 e5 e3 Nc6 Nf3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nxd5 Bd7 Nc3 a6 Be2 O-O

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 O-O d4

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1711)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 d5 d3 d4 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 e5 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 b6 O-O Bb7 Nbd2 Be7 Ne5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 b6 O-O Bb7 Nbd2 Be7 Ne5 O-O f4 Qc8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Nc6 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1867)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Be3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 a6 d4 b5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nh6 Bxh6 Qxb2 Bxg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 a6 d4 b5 dxc5 Bxc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Be3 d5 Nbd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 Bc4 Be7 d3 d6 a3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 Qe7 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 Bc4 Be7 d3 d6 a3 Nf6 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Be3 d5 Nbd2 Bc5 Nxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 a6 d4 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ng3 Qb6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be7 Nc3 c6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be7 Nc3 c5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Re1 Be7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Be3 d5 Nbd2 Bc5 Nxe4 Bxe3 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 Qe7 Be2 Nc6 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Ng8 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Re1 Be7 Bb5 Bd7

Transpose to wikichess #50947#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Be3 d5 Nbd2 Bc5 Nxe4 Bxe3 Bb5 Kf8 fxe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 a6 d4 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ng3 Qb6 Qe2 Bb7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 c3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Ng8 Nc3 d6 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be7 Nc3 c6 O-O Nd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 Bc4 Be7 d3 d6 a3 Nf6 O-O O-O h3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 a6 d4 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ng3 Qb6 Qe2 Bb7 Be3 Bxe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 Bc4 Be7 d3 d6 a3 Nf6 O-O O-O h3 a6 Nd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1791)
Nf3 Nc6 b3 d5

Transpose to wikichess #56208#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 c3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6 O-O Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be7 Nc3 c6 O-O Nd7 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 a6 d4 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Ng3 Qb6 Qe2 Bb7 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qxe3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be7 Nc3 c5 O-O Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1791)
Nf3 Nf6 b4 e6 b5 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Bg4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 c3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6 O-O Nf6 a3 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Bg4 O-O O-O h3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 g6 Qf3 Be6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 f3 Nf6 fxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be7 Nc3 c6 O-O Nd7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Ne5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Bg4 O-O O-O h3 Bxf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 dxc5 Bxc5 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 g6 Qf3 Be6 c4 Nb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 f3 Nf6 fxe4 Nxe4 Qf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 c3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6 O-O Nf6 a3 d6 d3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 g6 Qf3 Be6 c4 Nb4 Qxb7 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 g6 Qf3 Be6 c4 Nb4 Qxb7 Qxd4 Qxa8 Nc2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Be3 Bd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 f5 Bc4 exd4 Nxd4 fxe4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 g3 O-O Bg2 Nc6 Nxc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c3 c5 f4 Nc6 Ndf3 b6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 c3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6 O-O Nf6 a3 d6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c3 c5 f4 Nc6 Ndf3 b6 Bd3 c4 Bc2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 f3 Nf6 fxe4 Nxe4 Qf3 Nf6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 f5 Bc4 exd4 Nxd4 fxe4 Nc3 Nc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1839)
e4 c5 c3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 h6 O-O Nf6 a3 d6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bb5 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 f5 Bc4 exd4 Nxd4 fxe4 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Ne5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 f5 Bc4 exd4 Nxd4 fxe4 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Ne5 Bxg8 Rxg8

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1236)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 f5 Bc4 exd4 Nxd4 fxe4 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Ne5 Bxg8 Rxg8 Nxe4 Qh4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1866)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxe5 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O Rxb2 Nc3

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emile Trigance    (1866)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxe5 Nf3 exd4 cxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O Rxb2 Nc3 Rxc2 Qd4

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O Rxb2 Nc3 Rxc2 Qd4 Ne6 Qd3

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O Rxb2 Nc3 Rxc2 Qd4 Ne6 Qd3 Rb2 Nd5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O Rxb2 Nc3 Rxc2 Qd4 Ne6 Qd3 Rb2 Nd5 Qc5 Rac1

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 O-O Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bxc6 Rb8 Qxd5 Qe7 O-O Rxb2 Nc3 Rxc2 Qd4 Ne6 Qd3 Rb2 Nd5 Qc5 Rac1 Qd4 Qf5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emile Trigance    (1866)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 Qa4 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 Be3

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Bd3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nd7 Bf4 Qh4 g3 Qh5 O-O Bxc3 bxc3

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emile Trigance    (1866)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 Qa4 Nc6 Ne5 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1866)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 Qa4 Nc6 Ne5 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1866)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 c5 e3 dxe3 fxe3 cxb4 Qa4 Nc6 Ne5 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Qxc6 Bd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 Nxe4 Bxe4

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Bd3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nd7 Bf4 Qh4 g3 Qh5 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 g5 cxd5

Transpose to wikichess #165276#

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bc1 f5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 Nxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Bd3

Transpose to wikichess #158950#

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bc1 f5 dxe5 Ngxe5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bc1 f5 dxe5 Ngxe5 exf5 Bxf5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bc1 f5 dxe5 Ngxe5 exf5 Bxf5 Be3 Ng4

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bc1 f5 dxe5 Ngxe5 exf5 Bxf5 Be3 Ng4 Bf4 Nge5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 b5 a4 Bb7 b3 e6 bxc4 bxc4 Bxc4 c5

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emre Demircioglu    (2248)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 a6 e3 b5 a4 Bb7 b3 e6 bxc4 bxc4 Bxc4 c5 O-O Nf6

Transpose to wikichess #140426#

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Contributors : Emre Demircioglu


Emile Trigance    (1866)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 e5 Bxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1866)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 a3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 a3 e6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1866)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Nf3 dxc3 Bxf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 a3 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 a3 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3 h6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1866)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Nf3 dxc3 Bxf7 Ke7 Qb3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 a3 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3 h6 Be2 Qc7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 a3 e6 Nc3 Nd7 Nf3 h6 Be2 Qc7 O-O a6 Nh4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1866)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 dxc4 e4 e5 Bxc4 exd4 Nf3 dxc3 Bxf7 Ke7 Qb3 cxb2 Bxb2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
f3 e5 Nc3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
f3 e5 Nc3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
f3 e5 Nc3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e4 Nc6 Bb5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nd2 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
f3 e5 Nc3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
f3 e5 Nc3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
f3 e5 Nc3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 e5 Ng8 Bf4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nf6 O-O Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bf4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bf4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bd3 Bg4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c5 Be2 Nc6 d3 g6 f4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 c5 Be2 Nc6 d3 g6 f4 d6 Nf3

Transpose to wikichess #58446#

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 d6 Bxc6 bxc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nbd2 Nxg3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 Bg5 d6 Bxc6 bxc6 h3 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nbd2 Nxg3 hxg3 f6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nbd2 Nxg3 hxg3 f6 e4 dxe4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nbd2 Nxg3 hxg3 f6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bg4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nf3 g6 h3 Bg7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nf3 g6 h3 Bg7 Nc3 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bd6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 f6 Nbd2 Ne7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bd6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 f6 Nbd2 Ne7 Nc4 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nf3 g6 h3 Bg7 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1899)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 d4 Nxd5 c4 Nb6 Nf3 g6 h3 Bg7 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6 Qd2 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Be2 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 d5 exd5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Be2 e6 g4 Bg6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 Nf6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Be2 e6 g4 Bg6 Ne5 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 Bb4 Bd2 d6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 Bb4 Bd2 d6 h3 a6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 Nf6 O-O O-O d3 Bb4 Bd2 d6 h3 a6 Nd5 Bxd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1802)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d3 d6 Nd5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 c6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d3 d6 Nd5 Be7 c3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d3 d6 Nd5 Be7 c3 Nf6 Nxe7

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 c6 Bxc4 cxd5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d3 d6 Nd5 Be7 c3 Nf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 h3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d3 d6 Nd5 Be7 c3 Nf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 h3 h6 Be3

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 c6 Bxc4 cxd5 exd5 e6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 d5 e6 a3 Be7

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 d5 e6 a3 Be7 e4 O-O

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 c6 Bxc4 cxd5 exd5 e6 O-O exd5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 d4 exd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 c6 Bxc4 cxd5 exd5 e6 O-O exd5 Bxd5 Be6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Bc4 c6 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 d5 e6 a3 Be7 e4 O-O Nge2 exd5

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Bc4 c6 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 d5 Bd3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 d5 e6 a3 Be7 e4 O-O Nge2 exd5 exd5 d6

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 b3 Bg7 c3 c5 Bb2 Nc6 e3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
d4 d5 Bf4 Bf5 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 c6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
d4 d5 Bf4 Bf5 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 c6 e3 e6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 b3 Bg7 c3 c5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Qb6 d3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Matias Remus    (1802)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 d5 e6 a3 Be7 e4 O-O Nge2 exd5 exd5 d6 g3 Nbd7

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Contributors : Matias Remus


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
d4 d5 Bf4 Bf5 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 c6 e3 e6 c5 g5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 b3 Bg7 c3 c5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Qb6 d3 Nh6 Nbd2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
d4 d5 Bf4 Bf5 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 c6 e3 e6 c5 g5 Bg3 f5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Bxc6

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
d4 d5 Bf4 Bf5 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 c6 e3 e6 c5 g5 Bg3 f5 Qh5 Kd7

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
d4 d5 Bf4 Bf5 c4 Bxb1 Rxb1 c6 e3 e6 c5 g5 Bg3 f5 Qh5 Kd7 Be5 g4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 b3 Bg7 c3 c5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Qb6 d3 Nh6 Nbd2 O-O Be2

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 e5 Ne6 Qd7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 e6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Bc4 c6 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 d5 Bd3 Be7 O-O

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 e5 a3 Nbd7 c4

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O exf3 Qxf3

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 e5 Ne6 Qd7 Qh5 g6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 e6 e3 Nc6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bc5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 e6 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bc5 Bxg7 Qg5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bc5 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Qxg2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bc5 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Qxg2 Qf3 Qg6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 e5 Ne6 Qd7 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ke7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bc5 Bxg7 Qg5 Bxh8 Qxg2 Qf3 Qg6 Ne2 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Bb4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 e3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 e3 g4 Nd4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Ne4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Bb4 Nc3 d5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 e6 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Bxf7 Kxf7

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Bb4 Nc3 d5 Nge2 dxc4

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Sergey Zemlyanov    (1226)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O exf3 Qxf3 Qd5 Qxd5

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Contributors : Sergey Zemlyanov


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Ke8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Bb4 Nc3 d5 Nge2 dxc4 Qxd8 Kxd8

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qd5 Ke8 Qxe4 Na6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 e6 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 a3 Bd6

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 e3 g4 Nd4 Qh4 g3

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 d4 f6 Bf4 e5

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Contributors : Emile Trigance


Emile Trigance    (1858)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 e3 g4 Nd4 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 Ke2

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Contributors : Emile Trigance






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