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<< 1. e4? >>Back to forum Normajean Yates (20080726) << 1. e4? >>  Breyer. Thibault de Vassal (20080726 02:09:27) then... ? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyula_Breyer Normajean Yates (20080726 03:04:48) then .. {white resigns } 01 :) "white's game in its last throes" so white to save time resigns :) Although Reti 'quotes' Breyer as above in 'new ideas in chess'  i have a copy (english tr. of 3rd ed. ) but it looks like Reti made it up  Breyer never said or wrote it! [of course he woudnt have written 1. e4? because i think algebraic notation was not popular then :) Rodolfo d Ettorre (20080726 10:46:03) Algebraic notation ... I thought the algebraic notation was invented by Rene' Descartes. Normajean Yates (20080726 14:33:08) that's why i said .. that it wasn't *popular* then. I didn't say it wasn't *invented* then. :) I know all the politicians' tricks, including 'plausible denial'. Mark Hailes (20080726 18:52:52) Descartes @Rodolfo. Just to be pedantic  I'm pretty sure that the well known *fact* that Descartes invented the "Cartesian coordinate system" is actually a myth. So, in Descartes day, the notation for 1.e4 might be something like this: "The white king, for his first draught, commands his owne pawne, and places him into the fourth house before his owne place." Mark Hailes (20080727 02:47:12) NJ is wrong This game: http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=20553 Would seems to suggest the reverse of Normajean's hypothesis. Philip Roe (20080727 03:39:07) Notation There is a history of chess notation at http://www.excaliburelectronics.com/history0799.html crediting algebraic notation to Philip Stamma in 1737 and stating that "by the 19th century Stamma's simple system had become the norm in some European countries". So if Breyer did make the remark attributed to him it would probably have read something like "after Nf3..." bur with N replaced by the symbol for Knight in whatever language he was using. Descartes of course, invented algebraic geometry, in which a straight line is represented by ax+by=c and so on. Normajean Yates (20080727 20:24:06) Mark Hailes, what it my hypothesis? << >> are quotation marks! (In french), like >> << in german, ' ' or " " in english... So how does the game you linked to shed any light on whether breyer said it or not? Normajean Yates (20080727 20:28:23) adding to Philip Roe 's post... It is funny that highschool algebraic geometry is more often called analytic geometry; while in algebraic geometry, 'analytic geometry' is the branch that deals with power series in general rather than polynomials ... so what in analytic (powerseries) geometry corresponds to Bezout's theorem? (I have no idea...) Mark Hailes (20080727 23:39:13) humble You're right of course. I feel chastened for my presumption.
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