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Back to forum Normajean Yates (2009-01-15) engines and deep analysis... A year ago, Thibault posted links to record of GMs v engines -- but almost all games were blitz. raising questions: 1. At standard [2.5 hours / 40 moves] time controls, and at correspondence time controls [like here - or even 1 day/move] - humans are still better than engines. true? If true, how long are they expected to be better? [I mean in competitive chess, not in specifically design positions which are at present very difficult for engines] 2. which engine is best for standard and correpondence time controls (as I defined in 1)? Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-15 12:34:27) Engines vs. Human Hi Normajean, 1. At standard time controls, I think Rybka 3 can beat the best GM, there is just no time enough for a human to avoid a single error. But grandmasters probably still have a better vision of the game at least in calm positions. At correspondence time controls, no one can say it but I feel a good GM could rivalize yet with the best engines. This is unlikely to change before a while IMO. 2. The best anti-human engine at any time control is probably Rybka 3, but there will be concurrence soon. Normajean Yates (2009-01-15 14:18:37) thanks for the info, thibault! its all in the title, like my other short posts :) Wayne Lowrance (2009-01-16 05:22:27) Engines & deep analysis I agree with Thibault, in blitz or standard time controls Rybka and 2 or 3 others have no pier with human top gm's. But in correspondence time, I think the top GM's will certainly hold their own, or more Wayne Normajean Yates (2009-01-16 05:49:31) thanks thib & wayne - I thought so 2... ..except at standard time controls. At standard I thought top GMs would be better even now :( IMO, two of the reasons why correspondence is still an exception: 1. engines still understand positional aspects in a clumsy way (mainly through eval function even now I think..)[a] 2. top engines are commercial - so they have to 'show off' to compete in the market - 'showing off time' at corrspondence is too long for the software market.. so top engines are tuned towards faster play... [a] I wish that after copyright etc. expires, commercial chess engine vendors must be legally forced to make public their algorithms. (Ideally, I wish - no copyright, only moral right of actual authors! - but that needs a diiferent economic system than capitalism)
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