What would Kasparovs Ficgs rating be


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Nick Burrows    (2009-11-29)
What would Kasparov's Ficgs rating be?

Just out of curiosity, are there any educated guesses as to what Gary Kasparov's Ficgs rating would be if he played seriously but without any computer analysis?

I noticed GM Nigel Davies played here and his rating was in the 2300's and i suspect without computer assistance, though i'm not at all sure about that.

Kasparov = 2500??

Hannes Rada    (2009-11-29 08:55:25)

There are several examples where an OTB GM played cc and could not dominate the other (hobby) players.
Young Austrian Fide GM Markus Ragger here at the Austrian cc team championship
Further I had a draw at chessfriend against FIDE GM Daniel Fridman (Elo > 2660).
As far as I know Fide GM Ulf Anderson played at ICCF without so much success.

Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-29 17:15:18)
Nigel Davies & Garry Kasparov

Hi Nick,

Nigel Davies played with computer assistance but IMO only to verify his moves, he was very creative in some games. As for Garry Kasparov, if I remember well, he said a long time ago that he could become easily the best correspondence chess player (if assisted by computers, I guess). However I'm not sure if his preparations for OTB chess would be useful here, but most probably he could achieve this. Hard to predict what rating he could reach as a centaur, maybe 2650-2700....... Without computer assistance, it would be much harder, maybe 2300-2350 ..

It seems to me that Peter Leko played some games at ICCF, without so much success also, right?

Nick Burrows    (2009-11-29 21:52:21)

Very interesting - thanks guys!

Incidentally i once beat GM Nigel Davies in a simul!
Quite a poor game, but complicated!! He won 26 drew 3 and lost to little old me ;O)

Michel van der Kemp    (2009-11-30 12:51:02)

Didn't Ulf Andersson become ICCF World Champion? At least I remember a game where he beat then world champion Gert Timmerman (2200-2300 FIDE rating) with black. I know for a fact he was at one point the highest rated player in ICCF.

Hannes Rada    (2009-11-30 13:55:08)

No he was never ICCF champion.
But what I heard, in contradiction to his OTB chess preference, he played risky and very tactical in ICCF.
Andersson played in real chess extremely technical and low-risk, but winning every equal and boring endgame .....

Nick Burrows    (2009-11-30 14:28:52)
Compter Ulf?

So did Ulf use computer assistance?

Impossible to obtain the top ranking without it no?

Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-30 21:19:51)
Computer assistance

It is clearly impossible to top a correspondence chess rating list without computer assistance... IMHO :)

Michel van der Kemp    (2009-12-01 00:40:00)
Andersson & computers

I would think Anderson used all the help he could get, since he is a professional. So if a computer could help him achieve what he needed he would use that.

But mind you this is a maybe 5 years ago, when rybka was unknown, and computers like Fritz were the best engines. Back then humans were still (somewhat) thought to be superior I think, at least in strategical positions. So maybe he didn't use computer assistence.

Nick Burrows    (2009-12-01 01:36:41)
Joop van Oosterom/Jeroen Piket?

I just came accross this statement by Tim Krabbe

The Turk was operated by William Schlumberger, Mephisto was operated by Isidore Gunsberg, Ajeeb was operated by Harry Pillsbury and , the Dutch billionaire / new World Correspondence Chess Champion, is operated by Jeroen Piket.

Is this true? Is it really a computer assisted Jeroen Piket??

Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-01 09:17:09)
Joop van Oosterom/Jeroen Piket

We'll probably never know, but anyway that's ok for me, the name of Joop van Oosterom itself surely gave interest to the ICCF championship.

Thibault de Vassal    (2009-12-01 09:19:00)
... actually it may be true


Hannes Rada    (2009-12-01 18:08:56)
secretary of billionaire Joop van Ooster

Quite interesting ....
Secretary of an ICCF WM seems to be more lucrative then playing and winning usual OTB chess tournaments .... :-)