Vacation 1 month year or 6 months


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Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-26)
Vacation : 1 month / year or 6 months ?

Hello to all.

I've been told that the 30 days leave per year rule was a bit hard (at least harder than ICCF rule). For several reasons, it wouldn't be possible to have 2 months per year but 1 month / 6 months would be ok.

I'm not so favourable to such a change, but I'd like to know players opinion. (please respond if you're not favourable to this change also :))

Thanks in advance.

Alexander Shalamanov    (2007-06-26 08:38:12)

As to me, 2 or 3 months would be fine. This way players wouldn't be put into a corner, especially when one plays a lot of games. Cheers, Alexander

Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-26 09:20:54)

In my opinion there is no need to change. The argument, then players can play more games in same time can be countered by if they play less games they can speed up their moves. Already in the current situation most time won't be spended for finding best moves, but for stretching lost games!

Dinesh De Silva    (2007-06-26 09:33:10)

I think there should be at least an option of an extra 10 days to the current 30 days per year. The point is that there are such things as computers breaking down, computers hit with viruses, business travel commitments, planning a holiday etc. I think the majority are not glued to the internet all the time. These factors far outweigh other things. So to relieve the situation, an extra 10 days might be a good idea.

Garvin Gray    (2007-06-26 10:03:35)

The current amount of time is fine. On this site you can't play while on vacation.

Nick Burrows    (2007-06-26 14:23:32)

1 month seems fine to me. most players seem to build time in their games anyway, so if they are away some days over their allocation it should very rarely cause them damage.

Miguel Pires    (2007-06-26 18:23:36)

Hi, I ask to Thibault to discuss this in the forum because, like Dinesh De Silva have sayed, you can have a some sort of (i don't have a better word) problems that make you postpone your games. In ICCF at any tournament you have 30 days/vacation for ich tournament. My problem is not with the tournaments with 10/40 Days are in the 30+1. In this first 6 months i've a lot of issues to solve (professional and personal thing's) that i've to postpone a lot. Now thing's are more or less calm, but if we have more time or the rules are equal to ICCF my new tournaments can have 30 days, and if i need to postpone now i can't postpone the oldest and the new tournaments because i've not more days. I now that is the rules but i think more time (Like Gamknot) or the same rule like ICCF can help a lot. Another idia is do like (i think) IECG or IECC, that if you need a special live they can give you that (i think if you have someone in the hospital, important biseness to a long period can feet in the "special leave"). Is only my opinion. Best Regard's Miguel Pires

Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-26 19:36:51)
Miguel Pires

Sorry, but for my understanding: You are playing actually in 10 tournaments (34 open games) in same time? You just booked in 2 Rapid (!!) tounaments (12 open games) recently? And now you have problems with your time - really amazing.

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2007-06-26 21:41:21)
30 days / year is enough

I think 30 days / year is enough.

If you fear that you could get time problems don't play too many and avoid Rapid tournaments. Nobody forces you to enter every waiting list.

And according to Murphy's Law "such things as computers breaking down, computers hit with viruses, business travel commitments, planning a holiday etc." always happen if you have no more vacation.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-26 22:04:29)
Rapid tournaments

I agree that rapid tournaments (30 days + 1 day / move) may be quite hard for some players, but as Heinz-Georg and Wolfgang said, it's up to you to choose the tournaments that fit to your available time.

WCH tournaments are quite hard to play the same way, but that's a condition to start a new cycle every 6 months and adding days of vacation may last important games and force some adjudications. That's why I'm not favourable to this change.

But I agree, that's quite hard not to enter certain waiting lists too... (it's a fight of every day) :))

Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 02:53:26)
Heinz-Georg and Wolfgang and thibault

First I only give my opinion. Second I can't control the start date of the tournements soo i've 2 tournaments that start almost at the same time Third, the point is not if i've to many games, but, in my opinion, if we should have little more time (like in GK) or have the same thing like in ICCF. That's what we are talking in this pool, not any choice of any particular player that gives an opinion, and you don't agree with that and criticises is whay of seeing or conduct thing's Best Regard' Miguel Pires

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-27 03:45:20)

I'm sorry if you felt under attack... Of course we're only discussing ideas and I thank you for having submitted this one. I agree that rules are quite hard but it is also quite hard for us to understand how it couldn't be linked to the number of games in any way. There are other factors that we can predict more or less, but it's obviously related IMO. Anyway, maybe 10 days more would help many players to manage their time. Waiting for more opinions...

Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-27 06:52:53)

I think, all we need are rules against unreasonableness! It is impossible a find right rules for Miguel or Dinesh.

Dinesh De Silva    (2007-06-27 07:26:44)

It seems someone is trying to force issues by always trying to be confrontational. Any player who tries to be high & mighty & aggressive is surely unstable. What people like I & Miguel Pires were doing is just making a suggestion & making friendly debate. Maybe there should be a poll to determine if the vacation period should be increased or not. It's all upto Thibault, of course. Whichever way he decides, we as players would accept it in a friendly, calm, peaceful manner, unlike a very few who try to impose their will on matters by thinking they are ALWAYS correct..

Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-27 10:31:35)

Rules are very immportant! For all the same rules. If rules will changed about actual serious problems by a few players, it will be a disadvantage for all other players, which have arranged themselves with the same rules, independent from their own difficulties with that. Maybe sometimes they have thought less time for a single move as they would have wished - maybe they have lost therefore, but they have accepted the rules - that is the game (and that is life also).

Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 10:44:20)
Wolfgang Utesch and rules

Rules against "unreasonableness" is what we need. Rules against pp how atack others and try to create some sort of confrontations only because pp have different idias. That type of persones shuld see their capacity of post in the forum cancel. But that is my opinion. About this pool everyone is free to give their opinion about this thing. For me what thibault decide or the majority of the members is ok. I don't admit is a person that i don't now and i never see more "fat" (Portuguese expression) try to have some sort of confrontation with me about the whay i see or make my decisions on this site. Best Regard's Miguel Pires

Glen D. Shields    (2007-06-27 12:52:12)
Keep it at 30 Days

I've been in the situation many times of too many games and too little time to keep up. Admittedly very stressful, but I have no one to blame for getting into that situation but myself.

My preference is to keep vacation at 30 days per year. Today's fast pace requires players to be diligent about managing their game load. Giving players more vacation time adds to the time it takes to finish tournaments and makes it even harder for players to manage game loads.

My personal belief is that when I sign up for a tournamnet I'm making a commitment to play my games at a regular and reasonable pace. If I am regularly finding myself with too many games and often wishing for more vacation time, then I think it is my responsibility to plan better and make better personal choices rather than inconvenince everyone else.

Just my opinion :-)

Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 13:24:11)
Glen D. Shields

"rather than inconvenince everyone else"? Is it for me? If is, i'm going to try to explain to you whay i ask to dicusse the vacation time. Is not because i've to many games (if i've 2 or 3 i syaed the same thing) is because i fell that 30 days is short. In Gameknot i've 120 days, in ICCF i've 30 days per tournament, soo if i enter in a new tournament and i need to postpone i can chose what tournament to postpone. In my opinion is a short time but if the comunity don't whant to change, men ask don't cost anithing, correct? If this is "inconvenince" for you men sorry but for me is not. Regard's Miguel Pires

Glen D. Shields    (2007-06-27 14:38:26)
Miguel Pires

Miguel - my comments were meant for everyone not just you.

I happen to think long vacations are another way for players to shy away from the committment they made to play. When my opponent takes a vacation and I am ready to play, then the honest fact is he is inconveniencing me while he is away. I accept that inconvenience as part of the game. I would not be happy having opponents have more than 30 days so they can inconvenience me even more. The time rules are slow enough to allow anyone who has other commitments to take time off and still keep their games going. If outside committments are just too great, than IMHO a player should not sign up to play until they have more time to committ to their games.

These comments, like my other ones, are made for everyone not just you.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-27 14:50:19)

I must say that Glen's argument is very pertinent. The more vacation, the more games, the more difficulties... Quite logical, and I don't say that for you Miguel as it's probably a mechanical effect. Anyway I agree with you that a few more days would give a welcome breath, but as Wolfgang said, time is a part of the game, that's life. Sorry if you felt a bit of irony or cynicism in our posts, I suppose it was difficult to avoid it to justify our opinion...

Best, Thibault

Garvin Gray    (2007-06-27 17:28:50)
another few days

This site gives 30 days per year. Those are the rules.

I can understand that some players might want a few extra days per year vacation, but where does it end.

If it was to be extended to 40 days, then I am sure some other players would just argue that a few more days above that dont that much of a difference over the 40 days.

If there was to be an increase to 40 days, maybe it should be 20 days per six months, so a player cant take over a months vacation in one straight hit.

Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 20:58:00)
Thibault de Vassal and others

Men, like i sayd before i only ask a question, if we can have more days, nothing more. The ironie and cynisme, if in a polite whey is ok, not in the other whay. For me what the comunity decide is ok, no problem, like i said i only ask a question, and yes the argument's from some of the persones against the change are very valid. For finish if someone fill offended from what i sayd i appoligies. Best Regard's Miguel PIres

Miguel Pires    (2007-06-27 21:41:02)
Glen D. Shields

Thank's for the clarification. Best Regard's Miguel Pires

Jason Repa    (2007-07-09 09:03:58)

I would prefer to leave it as it is now. 30 days/year.