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Mikhail Ruzin    (2012-08-17)
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http://www.echo.msk.ru/files/809862.jpg?1345219906


Don Groves    (2012-08-18 06:04:24)
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A sad day for us all.


Alvin Alcala    (2012-08-18 07:34:30)
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The biggest blunder of Kasparov in his entire life is entering politics. It's simply not his game! :(


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-18 12:31:29)
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It's challenging for the least, but not much satisfaction to get from this indeed...

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8416


Rolf Staggat    (2012-08-18 17:56:35)
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No sad day for me.....

This man still thinks, he is the most important person in the world.

He only went to "Pussy Riot", because he wants to be seen on TV. He hates people like the Pussies, but he thinks it is good for HIM to provocate in front of the cameras of west-medias.

He does not know, what is reality. So now some policemen have to show him, what is real. No average intelligent person would try to find that out.

He never will be president of Russia, to be against Putin does not mean to be for Kasparov.

Kasparov only thinks in "white" or "black", but there are many more colours in real life.

By the way, the Pussies would never be known outside Russia with the noise that they call music. Now they have the time to learn.

2014 number 1 in all charts:
"Pussy Riot featuring Grandmaster Garry" the new super-group with their new song "Who is the greatest idiot"

I more prefer Grandmaster Flash.....He knows about real life.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-18 22:50:27)
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I have no clear idea yet on Kasparov's way in politics & in Russia, but surely I agree with you Rolf on Grandmaster Flash vs. Pussy Riot feat. Grandmaster Gary !


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 03:29:18)
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Both Kasparov and Ruzin are provocateurs. No sensible Russian citizen would write this title. It's like an American posting "This is America :(" just based on

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/14-specific-allegations-of-nypd-brutality-during-occupy-wall-street/260295/

http://www.chrgj.org/projects/suppressingprotest.pdf


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 03:56:37)
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Kasparov is a well-paid shill of the globalist power.

"Is Kasparov an anomaly or does he fit right in with this coven of far-right loonies? And who are some of the prominent members of the Center for Security Policy? Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, James Roche and Laura Ingraham. Oh, boy. The whole front office of the neocon’s cuckoo’s nest. Now tell me, dear reader, with friends like that; what should we really think about Kasparov’s performance in Moscow? Is he really interested in "democracy promotion" as he claims or is their acting out a script that was prepared in Washington?"

http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/12/05/why-murdoch-s-journal-loves-kasparov/


Mikhail Ruzin    (2012-08-19 09:33:40)
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"Both Kasparov and Ruzin ..." it is fine! :)


Don Groves    (2012-08-19 09:37:20)
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Dmitri and Rolf: I could easily write an article about "This is Amerika :-(" The US is now the world's leading fascist nation. For proof of this see: http://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm


Vadim Khachaturov    (2012-08-19 22:32:38)
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Rolf, pussies arent the matter. The matter is that its possible in Russia today to be prosecuted as criminal and adjudged that without commiting a crime. Today its PR, tomorrow it will be anybody who cares about freedom and says "wrong" words about putin.It is a pure political case and Kasparov just says about that. And , of course, Kasparov and many others, who there were at the court on Friday, know, Rolf, the bitter russian reality far and far better, than You can imagine.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 23:04:16)
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Vadim, you're right - "Pussy Riot" is a purely political case. But what are its roots?

The real reason why the Western media outlets have been so keen on covering the "Pussy Riot" trial has nothing to do with "free speech."

"Pussy Riot" and Kasparov are not victims. They are US State Department-backed instruments of corporate-financier hegemony, used as leverage against a Russian government standing in the way of Wall Street and London's order of international corporatocracy.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32395


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-19 23:12:08)
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EURO: I would like to move from chess to politics. What do you think about the proclamations of Garry Kasparov, do you see the Russian political reality in a similar light?

KRAMNIK: I disagree with him. It seems to me that his political opinions are empty. Garry is too destructive for my liking. According to him, everything in Russia is wrong, Putin did everything wrong. But that is simply not true. I am convinced that if Kasparov wants to be in politics he needs to offer something positive too, something constructive. Even in the field of human rights protection in Russia there are a number of people doing a lot. Apart from criticising, they create something positive too, by helping some people. Garry’s approach to everything is just demagogic and destructive. I disagree with his opinion that the situation in Russia is as critical as he sees it. I go there often, my brother and my parents live there, so I think I have a pretty good insight. If you want to judge the current situation in Russia you must not take single aspects of it out of the general picture. It is the same as judging a position during a chess game – you need to bear in mind an entire chessboard.

Of course Russia is not a democracy on the same level as countries such as Germany or France, but you cannot judge today’s situation without taking in the historical context. Russia had never been a democratic country in the past, so that is why the transition is not easy. Nevertheless, nowadays eighty percent of the Russian population is not forced to fight for their existence, as they had to, some ten, fifteen years ago.

http://www.kramnik.com/eng/interviews/getinterview.aspx?id=178


Vadim Khachaturov    (2012-08-20 07:47:14)
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Dmitri, You are right. Nowadays in Russia everything, that goes against mr Putin or mr Gundyaev is inspired by US State Department.We dont even need any proof of that.And even if it was a provocation, the authorities reacted in a very awkward way.
If Kramnik wants to bear in mind the whole chessboard, let him compare the oil prices now and some ten, fifteen years ago when comparing peoples living.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-21 06:04:19)
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Vadim, oil prices fluctuated over years. Up and down. The real question is how much revenue the Russian budget received (hence, how good the lifestyle is). In the 1990s, almost none as oligarchs reaped most in their offshores and deposited their "earnings" in Western banks.

"This honey collection is the best-guarded secret of capitalist superiority."

Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm

That changed after the nationalization (either directly or oligarchs became socially responsible) happened after 2000.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-21 06:13:22)
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Vadim, you say the authorities reacted in a very awkward way? What would be a proper way to handle similar offenses? If you want to protest, get a permit and do so in a peaceful way like it's done in the West. Why double standards?


Vadim Khachaturov    (2012-08-21 07:36:00)
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Dmitri, oil prices and production amount fluctuated over years and we can even see how they were http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm Not awkward decision could have been the fine exposure, or maybe 15 days, but not 2 years of imprisonment.Can You feel the difference? Its almost as large as the oil prices difference in nineties and zeroes.


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-21 16:23:20)
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I remember this interview of Kramnik with very good things said (I have no idea on the last part though, even if I have no doubt that things went in the right direction... fast enough or not. Quote: "nowadays eighty percent of the Russian population is not forced to fight for their existence, as they had to, some ten, fifteen years ago.")

But if things must not evolve too fast (as it probably happened in Russia 15-20 years ago), it is likely that both US (or European countries) & Russia don't even envisage to go the right way these times on political issues, mainly because the ones who control it don't want it. There are many more or less complex & historical reasons to this of course, completely logical, but anyway it could be better and even if Kasparov was paid by US or whoever, it looks quite logical & reasonable to ask for some deep changes in Russia too...

I try to keep a sociological view rather than an ideological one. I do not defend one existing system more than other ones, but unfortunately in most situations the power tends to protect itself too much "in order to" protect citizens, that is true in a good part but there also start many problems. It is still fine to me when citizens have choice and can leave easily but that's not so easy in our world.


Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2012-08-22 12:43:03)
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Talking about politic Have you watch the Game of Thrones? By "mistake" the head of George W Bush was shown in a stick with other executed fellows...:-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2012-08-22 16:28:37)
Game of thrones

I saw that :) Last episode of season 1 if I remember well.


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-22 17:47:37)
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Oil prices and production amounts alone mean nothing. Every oil producer has the same oil price at a given time. The real question is how much revenue the state's budget received. In 1990s, Russian offshore oil companies practically didn't contribute to it.

Example: Oligarchs register their companies somewhere in the offshore zone (say, the Caiman Islands). They sell produced oil to themselves not at the world price of $50 but at $25. The prime cost is, say, $24. So their revenue is $1, whose tax is paid to the state's budget. Then the offshore company sells the oil to the West at the real price. Hence, the state's budget is empty.

To change this, it sufficed to jail one oligarch - Khodorkovsky. :) The West's politicized outrage (more like hysteria) has nothing to do with freedom or free markets but with the interrupted "honey collection".

Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm


Dmitri Mamrukov    (2012-08-22 17:48:55)
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Russia like other countries has its Criminal Code that clearly and politically obliviously lists punishments for offenses. It existed before the trial. There is no point for liberals to further politicize this particular trial just because it got media attention.

Britain (that considers itself as a democracy model) is not above "disproportionate" sentences for political activity.

http://libcom.org/blog/pussy-riot-convicted-britain-rails-against-%E2%80%9Cdisproportionate%E2%80%9D-sentence-hypocritically-18082

http://azstarnet.com/news/world/places-where-trivial-acts-carry-harsh-penalties/article_da567f48-ce33-555e-8ff2-365ec6c38a28.html