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Sebastien Marez (2006-05-14)
Thibault, Je sais, je vais encore lancer un sujet de discorde, Pensez pouvoir réaliser un championnat par equipes? Sebastien Marez
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-15 08:33:32)
In brief : The idea of a team championship is very good, but of course it's too early... Such a championship could be a 2 stages round-robin tournament with teams of 6 or 7 players.
Bonjour Sébastien. Pourquoi discorde ? :) Au contraire...
Pour le moment j'envisageais des matchs par équipe occasionnels (FICGS vs. fédération ou autre serveur de jeu).
Le problème d'un championnat est qu'il soit représentatif, il serait donc souhaitable (dans le cas par pays) de pouvoir monter des équipes complètes (6 ou 7 joueurs) et que les plus forts joueurs trouvent un "intérêt" à défendre leurs couleurs (dépend de la popularité du serveur). L'idée est de toutes manières des plus intéressantes, mais le serveur doit gagner en confiance et en expérience sur la durée, il est encore tôt. Par contre je me demande comment se déroulerait un tel championnat... Un tournoi toutes ronde (round-robin) entre 5 à 9 pays, divisés par groupes, puis une phase finale ?!
Dinesh De Silva (2006-05-15 13:49:57)
I like Sebastien Marez's idea, for a team championship somewhere in the near future. It could perhaps be termed FICGS Team World Championship. It's a good way of building camaraderie between chess players too!
Dave Grobler (2006-05-20 21:09:49)
Hello This is my first post....so I apologise for any mistakes. A team tournament should be organised as soon as possible . It is an excellant way of building up friendships.I think at the moment we have too few members to start . But this site grows quickly ! Teams should start to form now !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-21 13:02:10)
Hello Dave. You're probably right...
Feel free to tell me how you imagine this team championship ? How many players by team ? Should the teams have a leader (would designate players, or selected by elo ?) ? Knockout or round-robin cycle ? etc...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-29 23:03:44)
Hello to all.
I'm now promoting the site in this way, a team championship will start as soon as possible. (waiting for more players)
Trent Parker (2006-05-30 01:50:25)
Quoting Thibault..... My response
Feel free to tell me how you imagine this team championship ? How many players by team ?
I think only 4 per team would be needed. If there are big countries perhaps they could have multiple teams eg. France A, France B etc etc. Four seems to be the best number. It is used in the OTB Olympiad.
Should the teams have a leader (would designate players, or selected by elo ?) ?
IMHO ELO would be best.
Knockout or round-robin cycle ?
I'd prefer round robin. (although i might not have a team yet :D )
Dinesh De Silva (2006-06-06 05:11:01)
Trent, Here's An Interesting Question!
Trent, IF future teams are named after countries, under what country would I fall?!??? (As I'm from Sri Lanka, and as far as I know I'm the only player actively playing on FICGS, ICCF, IECG etc). Then the only option would be for me to play under another country's banner, eh?! Quite an interesting idea, I might say!
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2006-06-06 09:59:27)
Invite other players.
Or you could invite players from countries that have too many players to play for Sri lanka team and you would be the captain.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-06-06 11:17:47)
Paul, That's a very good idea too!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-06 16:40:04)
Many good ideas... :)
I'll post a news soon, inviting players who want to lead their country team to give me an email where they can be contacted by players.
So far, the rules :
- The leader of each team should be from the country he's playing for.
- If several players ask to lead the same team, the current chess rating will decide.
- Leaders will choose candidate players for his team and the "board" (1, 2, 3 or 4) they will play.
- Players from any country can play with another country team. (all players can play for only one team)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-06 18:07:22)
Rules for team championship
I was thinking about... The possibility for players to defend another country is very interesting, but it may have many consequences that could complicate a lot the process for building teams and the choice for players who want to support a team or another, waiting for leaders decision etc... Furthermore, there could be confusion in the crosstables.
Sorry about that Dinesh, but teams should be 4 players from the same country. Maybe you could invite some other players from Sri Lanka ?
So, rules :
- All games (rated) will be played in 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves.
- If several players ask to lead the same team, the current chess rating will decide.
- Leaders will choose players for their team (4 players by team) and the "board" (1, 2, 3 or 4) they will play.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-06-06 23:16:56)
No national teams here !
I left my own national federation and the whole ICCF system partly because I find those national teams championships at most boring and uninteresting and at worst reminiscent of some of the worst 20th century nationalistic concepts.
Why should we have national teams here ???
... to confirm that France is larger than Feroe islands and smaller than China ?
This is pretty ridiculous IMHO.
I can't see anything interesting in this idea.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-07 00:33:53)
To be or not to be...
That's an interesting point of view ! The first reason such a championship could be interesting IMO is, as Dinesh said, it may be a good way of building relationship and camaraderie between players... I don't think this tournament will be a kind of stake for countries (so nationalism is probably very far from here, if it changes I'll reconsider this point), it's not very important and has positive points, so I just say "why not ?"
Dinesh De Silva (2006-06-07 06:59:09)
Hi, everyone It's quite an interesting debate......regarding whether to name teams after countries or not. Marc, for players like you and I, perhaps we could find some sorta compromise if the team rules allow it. As Thibault says, the problem is that even though our (small)countries hardly have any players interested in correspondence chess to form national teams, playing under another national/country banner is kinda a unique situation (IF allowed). It all depends on whether future FICGS team championship rules might allow it or not. Any creative ideas/suggestions left to make?!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-07 12:13:32)
Another solution consists in naming the teams in another way, of course... So, any player could enter any team. (only depending on the leader)
Trent Parker (2006-06-09 06:30:40)
Countries? regions? Association
Perhaps teams could be built on regions, for eg Australia is a part of Oceania or could even come under south east asia, or sri lanka could come under the indian subcontinent or something like that. I think the teams should be geographical at least. Or a part of an association. Eg from memory the International blind chess federation has / had a team in OTB olympiads.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-06-09 09:21:54)
I cannot understand ...
To Trent Parker :
you say :
"I think the teams should be geographical at least"
This is really something that I cannot even understand.
In which way is my way of playing correspondence chess related to the place where I live or where I am born???
Is my kind of play "belgian" ?
Or is it "brown-haired", or "butter-cooked", or ...
Why shouldn't I be allowed to find a few friends from all over the world that play the same kind of unusual openings than myself to build a team ?
IMHO this kind of team could well have a better signification than a one made of chess players of the same country or of the same geographical region.
Anyway the idea itself of "correspondence chess teams" is completely strange for me. Does it mean that collaboration between members for the choice of the moves is allowed ?
This is at the exact opposite of what I feel to be the minimum requirement for a meaningful correspondence chess competition to survive : anything allowed (books, computers, databases) except human advice, and at least one single human name alone identified as the single "author" of the moves ...
So, why teams at all...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-09 14:50:52)
Hi Trent and Marc.
I must say what Marc says makes sense for me. Actually, if olympiad is a way to know the countries 'chess level', I don't think it would be significant enough in correspondence chess, first because of computers. And regions (asia, oceania, europe...) wouldn't be significative enough.
Anyway, this question is to be solved by players, as there are too few captains to build teams so far. I'll wait a few days more, then I'll withdraw the tournament if no more requests.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-06-09 17:55:32)
Good debate regarding team championships
Thibault, it was good discussing these ideas. I too think that postponing team championship might be a good idea, until some of the issues have been sorted out and some sorta common concensus is reached.
Sebastien Marez (2006-06-10 07:38:09)
Combien avez vous de capitaine pour le championnat par equipes? Sebastien Marez
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-10 10:52:11)
Très exactement 3... (en me comptant :)) C'était prématuré de toutes manières, et il faudrait que je réfléchisse à une autre approche. Cela dit, je ne suis effectivement pas certain de la nécessité d'une telle compétition, les échecs par correspondance s'y prêtant sans doute moins. A suivre...
Sebastien Marez (2006-06-10 11:53:40)
Je pense que le jeu par correspondance peut admettre un championnat par équipe, mais pas un championnat avec des équipes par pays, mais des equipes composées par les joueurs eux meme.
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