Standard open DRR with entry feeprize


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Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-12)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize

Finally, this discussion to replace the two following discussions that ended on about the same conclusion and to have opinions on this new chess tournament : CHESS STANDARD OPEN (rated double round robin for 5 players, with entry fee 30 epoints & prize 145 epoints, no elo restriction)

Don Groves    (2012-01-15 12:42:40)
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The first games have begun !

Garvin Gray    (2012-01-18 16:48:48)
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I think 30 euro is too high an entry fee.

Garvin Gray    (2012-01-18 16:52:39)
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And to add, I really am disappointed about the general direction this whole discussion has taken.

It was not my intention to create a tournament of this style when I asked for double round robin. It was my intention to get one of the standard or rapid's to change over to Double round robin, which has not occurred.

I am really starting to get the feeling that this site is starting to move away from the free part and is moving towards a paid site.

More and more tournaments are having entry fees attached to them, which is fine, but then if that is case then the free part of FICGS should be dropped.

Alexis Duenas    (2012-01-18 16:54:50)
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30 euro entry fee could be hight 10 euro every one participate

Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-18 17:03:41)
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Well, I really don't mind if the entry fee is 10 or 30 euro... it could be even free, but would it work? As we had silver & gold games, I just tried to find something between (and it had to be of interest for strong players to play lower rated ones).

The path towards a paid site (as far as I know, much more Epoints are given than taken) will be very... very long :)

The reason for this tournament was mainly that you asked for such a tournament so that more games can start & more quickly, it is also a good experience before to make such drastic changes to modify a whole tournaments category. I'm still not sure it would be a good idea!

Scott Nichols    (2012-01-18 17:37:40)
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I agree to the idea to change it to 10 Euro entry fee, 30 seems a bit high.

Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-18 18:19:13)
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IMO strong players will have no interest in this, but well... we can try it.

Scott Nichols    (2012-01-18 20:57:37)
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Hmmm, I must not be as strong as I thought, :) J/k, I know what you mean. BUT, the whole idea was to get a more variety here, all the free games haven't gone away, you just added something new, which IMO was sorely needed. If you look at the stats Thib, probably last year my games here dropped off, not because I wasn't entering, but because it was hard to find a game. Plus the WBCCC had an impact, at least IMO, I don't know the stats. I still play for the home team as always will as long as you are here Thib, but I also admit, I learned a lot at that forum.

Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-20 16:11:36)
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I meant 2400+ players, those who will surely lose elo points against you in this open tournament :) Epoints had to be a kind of compensation for those players (if they win btw), that was the idea. And 10 Epoints is really few for 8 standard games, meaning much efforts. Just my opinion of course...

George Clement    (2012-01-20 17:12:38)
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When will we try the 10 E-point entry?

Garvin Gray    (2012-01-20 17:45:57)
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I do not think a few e points either way are going to make a difference to the 2400 players. What most likely matters to them is winning tournaments and titles.

So either way they were not going to enter these events.

Just to start stratching the record ;) my original idea was for these double round robins was for one of the divisions to be replaced with them, not to create a whole new division.

As it currently stands, I really do not see the point of this change as it feels like duplications of other areas of the site.

Thibault de Vassal    (2012-01-21 15:26:16)
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I partly agree with you Garvin, but if only one of them is interested in money, it will make these open tournaments quite interesting. I'm still not sure which entry fee is best but it's worth a try with 30 Epoints IMO. By the way I don't think that these tournaments will start so often due to the time control. Let's wait and see.

About changing a whole division, I'm still not so favourable to this. Actually best would be to have 4 divisions (rapid DRR, rapid SRR, standard DRR & standard SRR but we have no players enough for this) but I'm not even sure if class DRR tournaments would be a good thing.

I prefered single round-robin from the start because it was the best way to prevent cheating, it is really hard to win points even with 3 or 4 accounts.

Still thinking about it anyway. (I know, it means delayed for a few months but I don't have a better idea right now :/)

Scott Nichols    (2012-01-23 17:29:37)
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Another thought: With 30 E-points invested it makes you think before entering. The only reason is if it takes a while for the tournament to fill up, that 30 points could be tied up for a long time doing nothing.

Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-02 00:47:23)
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Well, finally the most seems to want a change of the entry fee & prize. I'm not sure if it's a good idea but let's do it...

For technical reasons the entry fee & prize for the 1st tournament will change too, the 5 players just got back 20 Epoints each.

Don Groves    (2012-02-02 07:36:59)
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Thib: This is probably a naive question, but do you think any players here have multiple accounts and are trying to win games or ELO points that way?

Thibault de Vassal    (2012-02-02 15:28:34)
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Why naive? Actually I saw many many cheaters on other servers before to run FICGS, that's why I preferred single round-robin tournaments and I hope that is the reason why cheaters are rare here!

Anyway the answer is yes, a few players had several account and as far as I know they realized very quickly that cheating would take them more time than becoming GM :)