Show both cards at Showdown


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Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-23)
Show both cards at Showdown

A small update to come for Poker Holdem as, according to the rules, if a player must show his hand, he's required to show both pocket cards, even if one (or two) of these cards are not necessary in the best hand. (thx Volker :))

I understand that this rule applies in all cases, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Don Groves    (2008-11-24 07:04:17)

One way to look at it is that any player who calls the final bet (in all forms of poker) has "paid" to see the bettors entire hand.

Ben Milton    (2008-11-24 09:00:44)

Would it be possible to represent the cards at the final show hand differently, I mean instead of showing the best 5 cards show the 5 cards dealth next to the 2 cards of the player.

Michel van der Kemp    (2008-11-24 12:57:14)
Another request

Since you are obviously not busy at all, Thibault: would it be possible to show the betting history just for a specific hand? I understand it can be seen from the 'moves', but it's not in a human-friendly format. It's difficult to see where an old hand ended and a new hand starts, for example, or just the numbers is hard to decipher what was going on. It would be great if we could get a history something like this, perhaps on the right of the board?: Player 1: raises with 3 (Pot: 4) Player 2: checks (Pot:6) Dealer: deals flop (Pot: 6) Player 1: checks (Pot: 6) Player 2: raises with 4 (Pot: 10) etc. This way it's easy to see the history of the hand.

Ben Milton    (2008-11-24 13:34:54)

I Was Also thinking the same.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-24 14:45:34)
Poker Holdem updates

Hi Ben, yes the update (pocket cards) will take place tomorrow morning.

Michel, I understand the sense of that request in correspondence poker games, but I'm not sure yet, including on the way to do it, IMO the name of the opponent may be enough (well, after all the brain may not be useless :)) .. thinking about it.

Don Groves    (2008-11-24 23:43:22)
To Michel & Thibault

I am thinking of doing something to have that information readily available -- possibly a spreadsheet. I agree it's something we need but, as Thibault says, it will very likely be up to our own brains to provide it ;-)

So, Thib, it would help to create a spreadsheet if we could download our games in a format that provides the info in raw form, similar to PGN. Is this asking too much?

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-25 13:41:50)

What do you mean a spreadsheet ? I did not find a standard format for Poker games, nor Poker games "viewers".

Don Groves    (2008-11-26 05:11:13)

I'd like to design my own "poker viewer" using Excel (or the equivalent) by reading in a file of plays and displaying the data in a useful format.

If you could just make the plays and the cards dealt at each turn available as a downloadable file, I'll do the rest.

It doesn't matter that there is no standard file format yet. Who knows, yours could eventually become the standard!

Clearly, fame and fortune are only two steps away ;-)

Scott Nichols    (2008-11-26 09:13:15)
The turn of the card.

The turn of the next card is like the next drink to an alcoholic. "First you take a drink, then the drink takes a drink, then the drink takes you." (Anonymous)

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-26 10:45:28)

"If you could just make the plays and the cards dealt at each turn available" .. looks like there's a problem.. if we show the cards dealt, the game loses its whole interest, right ? :/

Don Groves    (2008-11-26 23:09:47)

The download would only apply to hands that end with a showdown and would only be available after the hand was finished. So no info about hole cards would be available until then.

I can do this without a download file but that means taking the time to record every bet/call/raise and the cards themselves and this info is already available to you.

Maybe on the back burner for when you have nothing to do <ha-ha, some joke, right?>

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-27 00:37:24)

If you find any utility to this, just tell me what to do and we'll try it :)

Don Groves    (2008-11-27 01:10:59)

OK, Thib, merci. I'll track a few games by hand and see what I can do with the data.

Don Groves    (2008-11-27 06:55:14)
Show all cards at showdown

It appears that in some cases, both player's hole cards are not shown. I have had two cases now where, if the caller loses, only the hole cards of the winner are shown.

All players in a showdown have the right to see all the cards, even the loser's hole cards. The winner has the right to see what the loser called with.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-27 12:44:40)

Could you send me an example (here or email) ie. the game number & move ? Thx !

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-27 19:33:00)

Ok, the bug (a few others as well) has been fixed.

It is now also possible to fold when you can also check.

Don Groves    (2008-11-28 01:21:01)

Why would anyone fold when they can check? It costs them nothing to see the next card. If the other player bets, then they can fold.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-11-28 13:06:07)

La paresse ? :)