Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

  

Back to forum


Zack Stephen    (2018-01-06)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Is it too late to join the World Championship tournament? If not when will the first round begin?


Thibault de Vassal    (2018-01-06 20:43:12)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Hi Zack,

The waiting lists will be open in a few weeks, all tournaments should start on March 1st, 2018.


Herbert Kruse    (2021-06-26 22:13:03)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Is it too late to join the World Championship tournament? If not when will the first round begin?


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-06-27 00:19:49)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Copy-paste? Is it a mistake? (anyway, you're in already)


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-06-27 00:36:12)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Damn, it was 8 months ago already... thanks for the reminder! Waiting lists are open...


Garvin Gray    (2021-07-03 18:06:08)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

What is the situation for Groups of less than 7 players for this event?


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-04 00:50:58)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

"Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players, there may be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players."


Garvin Gray    (2021-07-04 03:40:06)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

So despite all the debates and assurances, nothing has changed for this rule. You are not changing from 'may be' to 'will be'.

As in - "Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players, there will be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players."


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-04 13:31:17)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

In the other discussion I specified: "Garvin, that thread (13002) was about FICGS Wch, not FICGS Cup... I added the possibility only of double round robin in Wch because I was not sure it was necessary in every stages (obviously it finds more sense in a round robin final than in stage 1), but anyway I could make it more accurate."

So, in all ways, it sounds like I didn't specify that all 5 players groups in WCH should be double round robin.


Garvin Gray    (2021-07-05 08:37:02)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

I added the possibility only of double round robin in Wch because I was not sure it was necessary in every stages (obviously it finds more sense in a round robin final than in stage 1), but anyway I could make it more accurate."

So, in all ways, it sounds like I didn't specify that all 5 players groups in WCH should be double round robin.

Garvin - Are you now specifying that ALL 5 player groups will now be double round robins?

As for the first part, I think actually a DRR (double round robin) in stage 1 is just as important, if not more so.

Here is why.

Players are seeded from 1 to the last player across the groups, going back and forth across the groups to seed the second seeds, third seeds and so forth.

This then can produce large differences in ratings between the players in some groups, and in others, very small differences between the top two seeds.

And it is for this fact, and then that players 3, 4 and 5 are then going to be very far rated below seeds 1 and 2, that a double round robin is necessary.

Otherwise, the number 1 seed gains a rather large advantage by being white against the number two seed.

A double round robin in all groups that are 5 player avoids all these issues. It is only 8 games total.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-09 01:59:50)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Of course you make a point there, but it also questions 7 players groups (after all, rating difference between seed 1 & seed 2 is not much lower in average, and 12 games is still feasible in regular groups).

When groups should be double RR or not? Well, I agree that simple RR is not the most fair way, but as I explained about a decade ago, the idea of this championship was not to be the most fair, it was to multiply occurences without loading a too large number of games (and keeping rules as simple as possible, which was not a great success there by the way ^^).

Anyway, I won't say you're wrong, I think it was just a choice like another one.

But we can give it a try (maybe it will be a way to get some impressions & comments), so we'll have 5 players double RR tomorrow if it has to happen.


Herbert Kruse    (2021-07-10 13:23:16)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

when will the first round begin?


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-11 01:21:11)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Sorry for the delay, I had to update a tie rule in the chess WCH (if tournament entry ratings are equal) to avoid to make the universe collapse ^^ More seriously, a special case occured and it was not ok with the former rule. The WCH will start on July 11th.


Don Groves    (2021-07-11 02:25:26)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

In my opinion, the first tie breaker should be the result of the head-to-head match between the tied olayers. This is how it's done in all major sports.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-11 12:58:27)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Sure, result decides first, but when it cannot, then ratings have a role to play, finally there must be a clear algorithm to decide in all cases.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-11 17:49:37)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Here we are, for the first time in the FICGS chess championship, we have 5 players double round robin groups (regular groups, not M / SM groups)... Of course, players are invited to share their impressions on this matter.


Herbert Kruse    (2021-07-18 11:23:11)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

when will the first round of poker and big chess begin?


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-18 12:14:42)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Big chess championship just started... We'll have to wait a few more days/weeks for the poker championship.

@ DonGroves: hi Don, did you receive my messages?


Don Groves    (2021-07-19 21:40:45)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

My new email is dgrovespdxATgmail.com


Garvin Gray    (2021-07-20 01:10:16)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

Thibault,

Are you able to give a start date for all the second stage and third stage chess events?

ie Semi Finals, Stage 2's and Ko's/Round Robin Finals


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-20 15:17:19)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

No, we always have to wait for the end of all deciding games in previous rounds. This time, Ko's final & semi finals started just after the next cycle, but the candidates final is still to start.


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-07-20 15:18:36)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

By the way, chess WCH rules have been updated: all 5 players groups will be double round robin from now.


Herbert Kruse    (2021-08-14 06:33:57)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

when will the first round of poker begin?


Thibault de Vassal    (2021-08-15 13:00:22)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament

I still don't know but we cannot start with 13 players... we'll have to wait some more.