Freestyle Cup April 2010


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Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-21)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Dear chessfriends, the next FICGS chess freestyle cup waiting list is open until april 3. This 6 rounds swiss tournament will start on april 3, 13:00 server time (first three rounds, every 2 hours) and on april 10, 13:00 server time (last three rounds, every 2 hours). Prize is 100% of the entry fees in E-Points + 100 E-Points. FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free, please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register.

To enter the waiting list :

Feel free to reply here if you have any suggestions, I hope that this format (2 consecutive saturdays, 3 rounds per day) will be ok for the most !

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-21 01:15:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

New record for sure, Garvin entered the waiting list 20 seconds after the tournament is announced :)

Garvin Gray    (2010-03-21 11:04:36)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

I think I should get free entry for that :)

Garvin Gray    (2010-03-22 02:44:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010


I would like to propose that the competition be postponed for one week. So the playing dates are April 10 and 17. I have just realised that April 3 is the Easter weekend and I am not available.

I suspect that others will be in the same boat and so this will reduce entries.

Please change the dates to April 10/17.



Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-22 02:56:35)
Easter weekend

Hmm, it may be a problem... I assumed that it would have been a problem sunday only for the most !? Any other opinion ?

Anyway in the worst case we'll now have regular freestyle tournaments...

William Taylor    (2010-03-22 12:50:15)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

The original dates are better for me, as I may be playing an OTB tournament on the 17th. That said, Garvin's desire to play in this event may be stronger than mine. ;)

Garvin Gray    (2010-03-22 13:02:26)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

William, we could play on two consecutive days ie 9/10 or 10/11.

William Taylor    (2010-03-22 13:14:19)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Sure, 10/11 would also be possible for me.

Garvin Gray    (2010-03-23 07:12:12)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

The my messages page is showing March 3 as the starting date for the freestyle cup.

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-23 11:58:43)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Damn, thanks Garvin, I have hallucinations...

William Taylor    (2010-03-26 14:47:19)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

What's the planned prize structure for this tournament? Just a 1st place prize? 1st and 2nd? 1st 2nd 3rd? Or will it depend on the number of entries?

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-26 15:40:02)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Maybe I'll change that next time... The current rules are "If several players obtain the best score and the best Sonnenborn-Berger, they will share the prize.", in other words: The winner takes it all.

Garvin Gray    (2010-03-26 22:54:42)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Sonnenborn-Berger is a terrible tie break and I strongly recommend that the tie break either be progressive or buchholz.

SB does not tell you much about the path a player took in the tournament (Progressive), or the strength of the opponents they played (Bucholz).

Why does there need to be a tie-break, when we are talking about first place here?

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-28 03:55:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Well, 6 rounds is quite few... so it may be useful IMO. But I'm not sure which tie break is best in this case.

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-31 20:30:54)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

To the players who will participate to the next freestyle tournament, be sure to read the following discussion before to play :

I recommend to practice this new option (touch move) by playing a few bullet bronze games before the tournament ;)

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-03-31 22:03:34)
Improvement to watch games

It will be now much more convenient to follow bullet lightning, blitz & freestyle games (in other words fast games) with the viewer.. The top informations (name, tournament details) will be removed until the game ended.

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-03 22:13:23)
Round 4 - Pairings

Hi all, the freestyle tournament will continue on April 10... A very interesting tournament but I hope we'll have less problems with our *$@#&% internet providers this time.

Here are the pairings for round 4, I'm BYE this time.

Table 1 : Boehme - Taylor
Table 2 : Evans - Pichelin
Table 3 : Moreira - Petrolo
Table 4 : van der Kemp - Nichols

Garvin Gray    (2010-04-05 16:43:39)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Ok a couple of issues:

When links are posted, I still get stuck in the endless loop of having to sign in again when I click on the link, instead of being able to see the linked page.

Also, would it be possible to join from round 4, possibly to replace the bye? Or is this round robin this time due to the numbers?

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-05 18:04:46)
Issues + New pairings

Hi Garvin, what is your browser ? I guess that you use cookies so your problem is quite strange to me as the links posted in the forum only open a new window (that should use the same session - works fine on Firefox & Chrome, at least)...

About the freestyle tournament, I just tried to add a new player during the tournament and the software seems to accept it. Finally I think it cannot be bad to authorize players to enter the waiting list until the end of the tournament, so I just added this rule.

Consequently the pairings for round 4 changed :

Table 1 : Boehme - Taylor
Table 2 : Evans - Pichelin
Table 3 : van der Kemp - Petrolo
Table 4 : Moreira - de Vassal
Table 5 : Gray - Nichols

Sorry to the players for this update, but I'm still trying to find the best rules for this kind of tournaments.

Garvin Gray    (2010-04-06 04:17:56)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

I was asking would it be possible, I did not say that I was confirming my participation.

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-06 15:18:27)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Okay... anyway that's good for the rules. Also now I know that I shouldn't make pairings before the very last moment :)

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 00:19:35)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

The freestyle tournament will continue tomorrow!

However I must say I regularly have some connection problems with my new provider (it should be fixed in a while - according to them), so I apologize in advance if I'm late to start a round or if I have to lose another game on time :/

See you tomorrow!

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 19:37:35)
Congrats to David Evans!

David Evans wins this 2nd FICGS freestyle cup!

Here are the final standings (please note that the FICGS crosstable may be slightly different from the pairing software's one) :

1. Evans, David : 4,5 / 6 games played (berg 11,75)
2-3. Petrolo, Mauro : 4 / 6 games played (berg 12,5)
2-3. Taylor, William : 4 / 5 games played (berg 9,5)
4. van der Kemp, Michel : 3,5 / 5 games played (berg 6,75)
5. Boehme, Sebastian : 3 / 5 games played (berg 6,25)
6-7. de Vassal, Thibault : 2,5 / 5 games played (berg 6)
6-7. Nichols, Scott : 2,5 / 5 games played (berg 4,25)
8. Pichelin, Xavier : 2 / 6 games played (berg 5,75)
9-10. Moreira, Jose : 1,5 / 4 games played (berg 3,5)
9-10. Gray, Garvin : 1,5 / 3 games played (berg 3,25)

Of course and unfortunately, the number of "played games" includes losses on time without playing. There were numerous problems with access providers during this tournament...

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-10 22:18:47)
Prize : 170 Epoints or...

David also won the total prize in this tournament, 170 Epoints (100 Epoints + 70 Epoints of entry fees as 3 titled players on 10 total entered the waiting list), or 100 Epoints + 75% of 70 in real money according to the rules, at the winner's discretion.

Congrats :) .. let's hope the next freestyle tourney will be free of all these problems with access providers!

Garvin Gray    (2010-04-11 12:18:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

For the next tournament I would like to see the time control increased to 60 + 15 or similar. I found this time control way too fast for decent freestyle play.

William Taylor    (2010-04-11 14:19:39)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Not sure I agree with Garvin about the time control. I liked the fact that we could play 3 games (often of decent quality IMO) and still not use up an entire day.

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-11 15:31:25)
Freestyle Cup: Time control

The point is IMO would a longer time control mean more draws ? In another hand the less we have time, the less risks we take (or not!?) to create interesting positions and a longer time control may mean more brain/instinct and less chess engines in the games...

To be discussed again and again.

Garvin Gray    (2010-04-11 16:18:23)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

It may or may not lead to more draws, this I do not know. But what it will do is allow more time for analysis and human decisions ie centaur play, which I think is the main part of freestyle and one of the main reasons we all participate in these competitions.

If the time control is too fast to allow decent analysis, then each game is just engine v engine with different computing speeds as a variable.

This whole issue could be viewed also as each freestyle comp will have slightly different paramaters to try and satisfy most people's taste.

Scott Nichols    (2010-04-12 03:59:40)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

First of all, thanks to Thibault for having this tournament. I have some ideas for the next one for us to kick around. First and foremost we know the connection issues need to be resolved. Second, the time control. I've played both 30 & 60 minutes with 15 second increments and my preference would be the 60+15, but 30+15 is ok also, not a big deal for me. As for the time to have it, (days of the week, hour of the day), I think there is no way to satisfy everyone because of the wide range of time zones, so you just have to make a time and we will find a way to make it. -----The main new idea I have is to make it an open tournament. This means anyone can join, but only those who pay the entry fee will be eligible for prizes. The reason is to get many more players involved, but only the highest entry-paying player will win prize money. Since there are far more players here without any E-points than those with. It might even inspire more to buy points.

Garvin Gray    (2010-04-12 06:02:19)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

I would certainly prefer only one or two games per night a longer time control.

I am strongly against the idea of allowing free entries whilst other pay. With allowing free entries, they have not done anything to show their commitment to finishing the tournament and could just withdraw/not show up at any stage.

While this can also happen for those who have paid an entry fee, at least these players would lose their entry fee.

Also, I am strongly against this idea of free entries and no chance to win prizes as it means some players can just play risk free with no concern for their overall tournament standing, whilst those competing for prizes have to be mindful of their tournament position.

In effect it will create two different mini tournaments and some players will be adversely affected.

I would rather a smaller tournament, but where all the players are playing under the same conditions ie time control, entry fee, ability to win prizes.

David Evans    (2010-04-12 11:51:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Hello as winner of the tour i feel apart from some internet problems the tour was a success.

It needed some more advertising to get more numbers but 30+15 was enough for me to play to a high standard.

Anyone who knows freestyle chess i play under the nick of Ultra-d a freestyle chess player who has made chessbase freestyle tour finals.

I thank u for the games and hope to see u guys in the next one.

D.evans (Ultra-d)

Thibault de Vassal    (2010-04-12 14:49:55)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010

Scott, that is an interesting idea but I follow Garvin on his points.