First FICGS GM tournament


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Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-01-07)
First FICGS GM tournament

There will be a forfeit by Viktor Savinov (Rating 2668 !!!) - good for ratings of the other players in this tournament! :)

Andrew Stephenson    (2008-01-07 07:37:49)
holidays and forfeit

Yes wolfgang he will forfeit although he still has time left he is on holday until Feb 1 and the clock will still run. I never understoofd the logic of running the clock and allowing holidays. This rule is misguided and unecessary I wish Thibault would get rid of it. I think victor does not realise he will forfeit and this will lead to a set of stupid losses I do not see how that helps good chess to be played nor do I see allowing clocks to be stopped would prolong the games to an unnacceptable length. Clearly a very unsatisfactory situation.

Dinesh De Silva    (2008-01-07 11:30:35)
Re: holidays and forfeit

"Verily I say that Viktor is a Victim of his own Vacation which is a long Voyage taken Voluntarily, due to non Visits that will cost him Victory!?"

Michael Aigner    (2008-01-07 14:03:08)
Possible to stop the clock?

I do not know if Viktor did not know his clock will keep running during his vacation - but if so and this would be the reason he is ging to loose his games,i would prefer to stop his clock and keep him playing the tournament. Nobody has anything to win when he is loosing on time because he did not know this (slightly unlogical) rule - but to loose a chance to play a very strong player and an interesting tournament. Would this be possible - OK with all other players of the tournament - OK with Thibbault - OK with Viktor ????

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-07 14:54:59)
Possible to stop the clock

Ok, definitely I have to update this feature right now, but the 60 days limit per move should remain IMO, so it won't be possible to take too many days of vacation according to the clocks (or the player will be warnt that he'll lose some games)...

Well, if all players in the tournament agree to stop Viktor's clock, I'll arrange that.

Peter Schuster    (2008-01-07 17:05:55)
Stop the clock

My opinion is, that we stop his clock and continue the game after his vacation. I hope that all players agree with this.

Hannes Rada    (2008-01-07 20:04:20)
Stop the clock

I agree. It does not make sense to get a win without playing. Because we are here to play chess .... :-) However I saw that the game with H. Ingersol is already over ... So I would stop the clock, if every participant in this group agrees. But we need a more simple solution concerning the reflection time. I would propose: After 10 days without playing a single move: 1st warning, after 20 days: 2nd warning, afer 30 days: the game is automatically lost for that player. Warnings should be sent to both involved players be email. During 30 or 40 days holiday during a year the refelection time will be stopped. That's how it worked at and this is in my opinion the best and simplest solution.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-07 23:07:41)
Vacation : Update

An update is to be installed : It won't be possible anymore to take too many days of vacation provoking the loss of any game without being warned of this.

I agree that vacation could be implemented in a more simple way, but no move should take more than 60 days and it could be possible with a 30 days limit per move and the clock per move frozen during vacation. Anyway, we'll see how it works...

Andrew Stephenson    (2008-01-08 08:37:49)
Lost on time

Well I think it maybe too late to save Victors participation as the game against Harry Ingersoll is already declared lost on time. Its an interesting position and game, Victor is a pawn down but has active play as compensation its not lost at all. I expect when he sees this game lost he will just resign the rest. So we will lose the participation of the highest rated player because of a rule that is not well understood and occurs without warning. The only way to save that and play chess is if Harry agrees to play on I would understand if he didnt but its a mess frankly

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-08 15:17:36)
Lost on time

It is possible to continue the game anyway.. We'll see.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-01-09 05:06:16)
The games will continue !

All players in the tournament agreed to stop Viktor's clock so that the games can continue... Thanks to all for the fair play and sorry about that problem, I hope it won't happen anymore after the update.

Best wishes.

Michael Aigner    (2008-01-09 08:46:26)
The games will continue !


Dinesh De Silva    (2008-01-09 11:42:24)

"Viva!!! It's great to see top players with such integrity here in the First FICGS GM tournament."

Andrew Stephenson    (2008-01-10 07:31:34)

Thanks to Wolfgang for pointing it out to Thibault for reacting so quickly and flexibly and to the players for being so sporting - chess is the winner!

Wolfgang Utesch    (2008-02-03 14:00:21)
First FICGS GM tournament

again - There will be a forfeit by Viktor Savinov (Rating 2668 !!!) - good for ratings of the other players in this tournament! :)

Garvin Gray    (2008-02-03 16:22:26)

From reading this thread, all that has happened is that Thibault delayed the inevitable.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-02-03 22:22:25)
Rating change

Ok, it seems that Viktor will forfeit his games. Before to find a new rule that could decrease the effects of such a general forfeit, I think it is reasonable to change Viktor's TER & rating to 2507 (current FIDE rating) instead of 2667 (provisional ICCF rating). I think it is fair in this rare case.