FICGS freestyle cup


FICGS freestyle cup

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Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-23)
FICGS freestyle cup

Hello to all.

You may have noticed new changes in the waiting lists & tournaments pages. Trying to create more interesting tournaments with entry fee & prize, with different time controls.

The FICGS chess freestyle cup (I did not find a better name yet :)) will be a 6 rounds swiss tournament played from time to time (every month would be great) at a very fast time control : 10 minutes + 20 seconds / move, see the rules in the tournament page in waiting lists. All rounds will be played the same day, about 1 round per hour.

Blitz tournaments have been gathered with lightning ones under the category advanced chess lightning tournaments.

Feel free if you have any idea or suggestion !

Garvin Gray    (2007-06-24 08:16:23)

I believe that everyone has been credited with 2 e-points.

Perhaps an idea to get people more interested in the 'money games' would be to make the tournament entry fee 2 e-points on a one time trial basis.

Those that arent interested after the trial basis will probably never be interested and so have no need to have any e-points. Those that are interested will add more e-points to their account.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-24 14:39:20)

Thanks for suggestion Garvin. A problem is the swiss tournament will occur on a particular day and will take about 6 hours.

I think it will take some time before players be interested to play fast time controls anyway, and I'll probably have to improve some things yet.

Reminder : Everyone starts with 2 E-Points and can play 20 bronze lightning games for free.

Garvin Gray    (2007-07-02 12:31:01)
tie breaks

Just noticed for this swiss tournament that the announced tie break is Berger. It is more normal in swiss events to have either Progressive or Buchholz as the first tie break, with the other being the second. Berger is used as the first tie break in round robin events. Is there a reason for Berger being chosen as the method of tie break (except for being different : ) ?

Garvin Gray    (2007-07-02 12:31:43)
I forgot

Apologies, I forgot to add in the br for dividing each paragraph :(

Marc Lacrosse    (2007-07-02 18:22:50)
Too fast

10+20 is a timing where a strong engine playing alone with a good book is unbeatable.
No time left for creative human added value ...
That's the reason why Freestyle tournaments on Playchess recently evolved from an initial 45 min + 5 sec/move to a slower timing (60 min + 15 sec/move)

I am pretty convinced that at 10 min + 20 sec increment the one with the most powerful computer will win for sure...


PS for a mean 60 moves game, 10+20 is equivalent to 30 seconds per move.
Freestyle tempo (60+15) gives a mean 75 seconds per move.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-04 11:31:09)
tie breaks + time controls

Garvin, I'll look at this question deeperly soon... Thx !

Marc, I quite agree, on the other hand it takes some time to operate the computer, a good chess player may be "also" required in such games, that would be interesting. Anyway, it would be hard to use longer time controls in a 1-day tournament. Less than 20 seconds per move would be hard with the current interface... How many days a playchess freestyle tournament takes ?

Garvin Gray    (2007-07-25 10:54:45)
small entries

So far only two entries. Doesnt look good. Any plans Thibault?

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-25 14:22:17)
Too early

Hi Garvin. Yes, an easier way to buy E-points should be available already (Moneybookers will remain the cheapest one anyway) but there's a new delay... Also I did not have time enough to promote this tournament, so I'll have to change the date :/ .. E-Points will be given back.

Garvin Gray    (2007-07-26 05:01:18)
too fast, too hard

I have a recommendation that the time control be extended. 10 min + 20 secs is too short.

I played one game with this time control to try it out and found that it just felt like a 5 min blitz game, especially since we have to scroll down to confirm our moves.

I agree that another way has to be found to allow people to put money into their accounts. It took me three days because I had to wait for notification of the exact euro amount.

If I wasnt keen on entering the freestyle cup, I probably would not have bothered.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-26 12:27:10)

I suppose there could be another time control for this tournament, maybe 30 minutes + 15 seconds... 6 or 7 rounds to be played during a single day. Any idea ?

Garvin Gray    (2007-07-27 18:51:31)

I think one of the concerns for this competition is that it could very much start to just look like a smaller PAL playchess competition, except that the entry fee is the same but the prizes are way smaller.

Higher chance of winning those smaller prizes though lol

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-31 00:06:28)
September 9

The new date is september 9... I hope I'll have more time to prepare that tournament.

Sorry for the delay.

Garvin Gray    (2007-07-31 06:38:35)
date change please

Can you please change the proposed date of the competition?

This date directly conflicts with the playchess freestyle tournament. Which is being held on 7/9 - 14/16 September.

I dont think it helps to have a clash of dates.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-08-04 15:25:46)
September 23

Right ! .. It has been changed to september 23

Garvin Gray    (2007-09-02 11:03:05)

Is anyone else intending to enter this competition?

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-02 12:07:21)
Freestyle cup...

End of holidays, I'll make my possible in the next few days to promote this new tournament. Patience :)

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-19 13:45:30)
October 21

This should be the final date for the 1st FICGS freestyle tournament. As I had to finish the new interface, I'll only start to promote it today in forums and other websites...

About the time control, I agree that ie. 1h+20s would be less "Rybka mode" and more centaur, but it requires a lot of energy and time for a 6 rounds tournament. So let's give a try to 10m+20s, thus the tournament should last about 6 or 7 hours...

Until october 31, you'll be given 20% E-Points more when buying tickets :)

Garvin Gray    (2007-09-19 13:53:32)
longer time control

Thibault: About the time control, I agree that ie. 1h+20s would be less "Rybka mode" and more centaur, but it requires a lot of energy and time for a 6 rounds tournament. So let's give a try to 10m+20s, thus the tournament should last about 6 or 7 hours...

Perhaps it could be held over 20/21 oct with 3 rounds per day of 1h + 20 secs.

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-19 14:02:54)
longer time control

Definitely I need more players opinions about that. Two days is probably a lot of time for many players, as there's no big prize added to the entry fees yet, I'm not sure it would work...

Any opinions ? :)

Garvin Gray    (2007-09-20 15:38:22)

is anyone going to comment? Or does this match the total level of interest in this event?

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-09-21 14:52:53)
60 minutes + 15 seconds

Ok Garvin, you convinced me :) .. Finally it will be play on 2 consecutive days (october 20 & 21 - 14 pm, 17 pm, 20 pm)

This format is longer but definitely more interesting.

I'll start (at last) to promote it today, feel free to announce it in forums & websites :) .. Now FICGS account at Paypal is available to send & receive money.

I'll start a new topic about Freestyle cup... Too many out-of-date informations in this one.

Thanks for your help !

Garvin Gray    (2007-09-21 16:00:05)

Ok Garvin, you convinced me :)

Just keep doing as I say and all will be good lmao :P