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Vjacheslav Perevozchikov    (2009-05-20)
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUPS

Sorry for a bit stupid question...
I wonder how many players come out from a group to the next round of the tournament?


William Taylor    (2009-05-20 19:58:59)
Only 1

Just the winner goes forward. You can see the rules here (scroll down a bit): http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-21 02:36:57)
to summarise: interesting!

I read the ficgs chess WCH rules: interesting!

In short,

stages 1a-3a: the top-8 rated players play a (3-stage obviously!) *knockout* (each match consisting of 8 games; so that is 56 top-rated games!)

stages 1b-3b. In parallel, the rest of the contenders play a 3-stage round-robin (groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players.) - as William Taylor posted, only the *winner* of each round-robin stage goes to the next stage - (or if rated above 2300, directly from stage 1 to stage 3 - see rules for detatils)

stage 4: the knockout winner plays the round-robin in an 8-match candidate-finals; to decide who the challenger will be.

stage 5: the challenger v the current WCh -12 game match.

for pairing and tie-break rules (and all the above), just follow the link above [William Taylor's post]; search the page for "FICGS CHESS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP :": it will probably be faster than scrolling down ;)


William Taylor    (2009-05-21 15:28:36)
Scrolling down

Yes, it is a fairly lengthy document, and I did in fact find the rules by searching rather than scrolling. ;)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-22 01:53:05)
re William Taylor: one of those things..

One of those cases where it is *not* easiest to explain the easiest/most elegant way [unless one is physically present..]

This is IMO also one of the reasons why - given decently competent teachers - online/distance-education is no substitute for attending classes the old-fashioned way... attending a few classes anyway ;)

[Back to concentrating on what I was doing ie listening to old Barbra-Streisand-songs on this machine.. :)]


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-22 05:19:29)
Curioser and curiouser! How..?

I don't see how the following happened, given my reading of the rules: William Taylor, you are probably the best person to explain where I am getting the rules wrong!

William Taylor in:
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_02__000005:
points: 6/8. *not* the leader: Domenico Riccio was the sole leader with 7.5/8, second was Norman Wilson (6.5/8) -

William Taylor, you were third in your stage-1 group so how did you get to reach stage 2?
(FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_04__000004 William Taylor and four others tied for 2nd place out of 7)

Well I suppose the stage-1 group-2 top two players withdrew, right? (I *could* check it myself, but the tedium/learning ratio would be too high ;)


William Taylor    (2009-05-22 07:28:56)
Different world championships

I qualified for FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_04__000004 from tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_07__000004, not tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_02__000005. However, I didn't win that tournament either - I came second.

My initial guess as to how I qualified from that one is that more than 1 player needed to qualify to make up numbers for the next round - it was quite a large group and I seem to remember reading something about that in the rules. Second guess - Vadim Khachaturov withdrew. Third guess - the large sum of money that I sent Thibault with an e-mail saying 'please let me into the second round' had the desired effect.

That answer is based on about 30 seconds' thought - I'll have a closer look when I get back from what I suspect will be a highly unpleasant physics exam.


Vadim Khachaturov    (2009-05-22 11:13:20)
WC reglament

William, there is the fourth and the most real reason of all this. The number of groups for the second stage changes unexpectedly from WC to WC (3-5). Its clear, that the number of winning place in first stage group will change too.It brings to some paradoxal situations. E.g. my proceeding to the second stage after sharing 3-5th places in WC 3, and not proceeding after sharing 1-2nd in WC 5.The worst thing is that one cannot know how many groups of stage 2 will be before WC starts.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-05-22 11:39:53)
Groups in chess WCH

William, your initial thought is right : "Players may be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player." (extract from chess WCH rules)


Normajean Yates    (2009-05-23 03:17:28)
Thib. thought of everything: & poured ..

Thib. thought of everything: all the answers are hidden in the rules somewhere ;)

And also poured water on some pleasing speculations on the lines of [from William's last post: ;Third guess -' - ] the large sum of money that [William] sent Thibault with an e-mail saying 'please let me into the second round' had the desired effect. ;)

And since the reason was what Thib. posted, that was money down the drain - wait: why was *William* the Chosen One to be invited 'to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player' - any connection with those large sums...

... over to 'Private Eye' and 'News Of The World' ... ;)


Garvin Gray    (2009-11-02 13:39:26)
new tournaments

When is the next world championship starting? Both the newest version and round two's from the previous event.


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-02 21:04:53)
new wch cycle

The new WCH cycle should start within an hour, the next rounds of previous cycles will start as soon as possible (tonight or tomorrow if all games are finished).


Iouri Basiliev    (2009-11-03 15:51:48)
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUPS

when the second stage expected to start? Any ideas?


Thibault de Vassal    (2009-11-03 15:56:12)
Stage 2 WCH 6

I'm building the groups right now :)


Iouri Basiliev    (2009-11-03 16:03:21)
Stage 2 WCH 6

cool :))









 

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