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Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 05:28:00)
Droppers : New rule
Hello to all.
I'm to add a new rule to minimize the effects of silent withdrawals & forfeits without an explanation. The aim is first to guarantee to players they will not play again with droppers before a while... Rule is : "Any player who forfeits (by resignation or silent withdrawal) his games without giving an explanation to referee in a rated chess tournament will get an instant rating penalty of 200 points."
Thus, players go at least one category down. Of course it could be easier to ban players for a while, but just trying to avoid this.
All comments and suggestions are welcome.
Don Groves (2007-03-29 05:55:31)
Droppers: New rule
This rule penalizes resignations the same as quitting (silent withdrawal) and it seems to me that quitting is much worse. With a resignation at least the other player knows what is happening and can forget about the game. Not so with quitters.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-03-29 06:26:52)
good new rule !
I agree with Don on the fact that silent withdrawal is much more worrying.
Maybe the rule could be split in two parts:
one rule against any silent withdrawal
one rule against general forfeit in a tournament
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-29 13:09:49)
Droppers: New rule
Unjustified resignations are equally disturbing (but not that common) so they deserve equal treatment in my opinion.
Silent withdrawers could be punished faster (quicker than 60 days) if time is doubled after 10, 20,..etc days.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 14:48:46)
Another try
Of course there's always a bad part to a rule : finding the way to go round it.. and of course only serial droppers will, so to divide it in 2 parts may be useless :/
Another try : "Any player who forfeits (by resignation or silent withdrawal) his games without giving an explanation to referee in a rated chess tournament could get a limited access to the server and couldn't enter waiting lists anymore during a period of 2 months, at the referee's discretion."
Thus, when a dropper returns (after the next rating calculation), his rating will probably prevent him to enter the same category of tournaments - which is the initial aim.
Wayne Lowrance (2007-03-30 02:15:30)
Droppers: New Rule
I am wrestling with this new rule a little bit. Cannot make up my mind if I like it or not. I do not like to see games foreited or silent withdrawals in general. But Tribault goes on to amplify "any player who forfeits his games without giving an explanation...." The term (plural) games is one thing. But should I wish to forfeit "a" game based on my evaluation should not be challenged. I would not think I would have to explain why I am doing so. A certain amount of trust is required here on this site as Tribault has preached over and over again...Oh well, either way, fire away. Wayne
Don Groves (2007-03-30 02:40:19)
Droppers rule
Perhaps trying to fit all cases into one rule is not going to work well. How about a ruling troika, Thibault plus two experts of his choice, that rules on the merits (or demerits ;-) of each case and penalizes appropriately. Serial droppers are banned for some period, others are punished less harshly. An undefended resignation is only penalized if the troika decides it was unwarranted. The same applies to Go games as well.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-30 04:48:24)
Droppers: New Rule
Rules must stay as simple as possible.. not so easy. There will be a council, referees and moderators, but as far as I can easily referee all games played here, it means rules are quite good IMO... This new rule doesn't look so fuzzy to me : "Without an explanation", so if a game is obviously lost or if there's an advantage, that is an explanation and the game can't be considered as a forfeit. Anyway I just added ".. in an equal or winning position". By the way, there must be several games in the same cases, it should be quite easy to make the difference. Actually, there's only one player here I couldn't say if he's a dropper or not (even if he's conscious of that or not) :-)
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