Dead Mans Defense


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Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-15)
Dead Man's Defense

Game #11340, my opponent is playing since 10 moves against the tablebases. No comment from me can him stop! Loosing is just to difficult!

Hannes Rada    (2007-06-15 22:49:07)
Dead Man's Defense

Nowadays DMD is a very common phenomenon ....

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-16 02:23:50)
Dead Man's Defense

Ok, that's an interesting topic.. and should be discussed for sure !

Once more, there are 6 pieces on the board and even if it is an obvious win, my engine doesn't say Mate in # moves (so your opponent may not see the mate too).

How to react ? .. No hypocrisy, IMO there's no perfect way to answer this problem. If the DMD doesn't work after tablebases, it will work well before, so players will last the game earlier. Of course it's a way to manage rating and so on... Is it really possible to avoid this ?

Any suggestions ?

Be patient anyway... :)

Nick Burrows    (2007-06-16 04:01:51)

I think it is still valid to play on in a 'lost position'. People play for different reasons. Some to improve their over the board play. If you always resign in losing positions, you may never learn how to fight when you still have practical chances.
if he is just managing his rating, this is different, but can you ever force someone to resign over a matter of etiquette?

Dirk Ghysens    (2007-06-16 04:06:23)
Not "dead man's defense"

This is not a case of dead man's defense, since the game started less than 20 days ago and they are at move 86. From international postal games I remember waiting more than 20 days for my opponent's 1st move. While it is allowed, certainly nobody can be obliged to consult 6 men tablebases. I'd also like to point out that the FIDE rules (which are mentioned in the FICGS rules) forbid a player to make disturbing remarks, and that a game cannot end by requesting your opponent to resign. Also posting such comments about ongoing games, trying to discredit the opponent, is unethical. The complainer should forfeit the game.

Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-16 07:52:47)
Dead Man's Defense

Nobody has to install 6-pieces-endings on his own computer today. You can just have a look at internet site:

Thibault de Vassal    (2007-06-16 14:00:22)
Dead Man's Defense

Well, as it is 'also' allowed not to use a chess engine or tablebases at FICGS (probably more than half players here), I suppose many players would agree with Nick & Dirk. It is not possible to completely avoid the Dead Man's defense and this is not the case here anyway. The rules say "In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious (...) if a player doesn't want to resign and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee". It doesn't apply here.

Best wishes, Thibault

Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-06-16 15:00:35)

I agree, this is not a case of law! ...but, if a player is able to playing chess on so high level (as he did!) without any help of engines/tablebases, then would be no problem for him, to catch the hopeless! Of course, a player playing without chess knowledge and just missing at the end the right tablebases will not catch the situation until his tool will get it. Anyway I have to wait - and I will do it!