Consecutive draw offers verbally refused


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Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-04)
Consecutive draw offers verbally refused

This may be an issue : Should there be a rule on consecutive draw offers verbally refused in a chess game (which may be considered as impolite in some cases, justified in some others) ?

What do you think ? Do you know how this is ruled in other organizations ?

As for me, I have no strong opinion yet on this subject... Maybe we could only add something in the rules without any consequences on the game, just like a complement to the netiquette that players could refering to, but it may not solve the problem in some rare cases.

Nick Burrows    (2009-06-04 00:55:20)

In my game i have a small advantage in a position that is drawish, but still with some chance to win. The onus is on me to offer a draw. I believe my opponent understands the etiquette but is simply disregarding it - perhaps because he thinks it is a draw.

I'm not sure if having a rule pointing players towards the correct etiquette would ever stop somebody from doing it.
From my perspective i feel frustrated each time a draw is offered, and it just makes me more determined to win!

Wayne Lowrance    (2009-06-04 01:44:44)
Draw offers

Tribault I do not know how it is addressed in other sites. But clearly you need to be careful where you tread here. Repeated draw offers seems on the surface rude. I have not seen the game, but according to Nick Burrows he feels he has winning chances and hence has refused the draw offers. That is clearly his right. If this evaluation is accurate the the repeated offers are in very bad taste.
I do not know if you have a review structure here for handling complaints. Having said this it is best if this site just runs on its own without intervention. Maybe extreme abuse should be reviewed. I dunno

Thibault de Vassal    (2009-06-04 03:12:05)
Draw offers

I agree with that (on human intervention), anyway if we can make the rules more accurate -not necessarily complex- to avoid this debate later, let's see...

Normajean Yates    (2009-06-04 08:26:42)
suggest no rep. draw offer for 10 moves

suggestion: once a player has made a draw offer in a game, that player in that game cannot make a draw offer within the next 10 moves.

But is is really *that* irritating at correspondence? I notice my opps draw offer only when I am myself thinking of offering draw (or I am fighting for a draw) - in which cases I accept... otherwise I have often made my move and then later on I realise that a '*' that was there is now missing from the 'my games' list! :)

Michel van der Kemp    (2009-06-04 10:01:38)

Offering a draw is one thing, offering a draw in several consecutive moves is another. I would think that is harassment, especially when the other player has answered politely he thinks he has chances. Harassment should be fought.

I remember a case in FIDE tournament, where one player would offer a draw with each move. The player was first warned by referee, and when he didn't stop, was expelled from tournament.

One could argue if consecutive draw offers in correspondence chess should still be considered harassment, but it is still irritating to say the least.

Garvin Gray    (2009-06-04 10:25:07)
already covered

The fide laws of chess already have this type of situation covered under:

12.6 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims or
unreasonable offers of a draw.

Philip Roe    (2009-06-04 17:35:08)
Hypothetical case

Suppose that my opponent has a tricky move coming up, but I know that I can defend against it. Because I assume that they have seen both the move and the defense , I offer a draw.

They play the move anyway, thinking that I might not find the defense. But I defend correctly and offer the draw again.

Nothing evil has happened, but this sequence of events would be forbidden by some proposals. It seems to be an over-reaction to make elaborate rule changes in response to an isolated incident.

Daniel Parmet    (2009-06-10 16:06:56)

consecutive draw offers is absolutely not rude if the position is drawn. I would therefore argue one should not create rules to interfere. If one player wishes to continue to play the drawn game out (as is his right) it is also the other player's right to continue to offer draws in the drawn the position after each move.

I actually consider it quite rude to play out theoretically drawn endgames anyways while I don't find it the slightest bit rude to offer draws in such endgames repeatedly.