Big Chess Championship


Big Chess Championship

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William Taylor    (2008-09-18)
Big Chess Championship

I know there was a discussion some time ago about a big chess championship here on FICGS. Now the first 'M' class big chess tournament has started and I think big chess has enough regular players to try a championship. What do you think?

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2008-09-18 20:13:56)
Big Chess Championship

Hello Thibault,

let us start this championship!

Best, Heinz-Georg

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-18 20:48:47)
Big Chess Championship

Well, I have to find some time to make changes first. Big Chess ratings are probably too confusing :/

William Taylor    (2008-09-20 17:55:27)
Too confusing?

Why are Big Chess ratings more confusing than any other kind of rating?

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-22 17:07:19)
Big Chess ratings

They are because "provisional big chess ratings" are correspondence (classical) chess ratings minus 300 points. I estimated this was a good idea because Big Chess was quite different but I'm not sure anymore... What do you think ?

William Taylor    (2008-09-22 18:33:42)
Big Chess ratings

Hmm. As you say, the game is quite different from ordinary chess, and as we can't use engines and very little research has been done into Big Chess we might all be 300 points or so weaker at it than at real chess. It might be quite nice to have the ratings over a similar range to ordinary chess ratings, but that doesn't really matter. Presumably once you have determined the provisional ratings you then use the same algorithm as you do for normal chess ratings? It's hard to suggest a format without an estimate of how many people would play, but we don't necessarily have to have an accurate and established Big Chess rating system to hold a championship.

William Taylor    (2008-09-22 18:36:07)
An idea

We could perhaps use the 'M' class tournament that has just started to decide the first Big Chess champion. Thereafter a challenger could be decided by a similar high-rated tournament, or else by an open tournament or series of tournaments if it's thought that the rating system isn't reliable enough.

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2008-09-22 23:32:54)
Big Chess Championship

I think, the Big Chess Championship should be announced as a championship. We should not use this M-tournament instead.

William Taylor    (2008-09-23 01:10:09)
I agree

I agree that a separate championship tournament would be better.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-23 16:31:27)
Big Chess Championship

Well, we still do not have big chess players enough but a championship may help after all... We can't have it every 6 months and I assume it would be quite different than the chess championship... How do you see it ? Any ideas welcome :)

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2008-09-28 16:45:05)
Big Chess Championship

To drive this theme I propose a champions-league-type tournament with a new round every 18 month. At the beginning the groups can be built according to our rating list.

Other ideas?


Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-28 21:51:45)
Big Chess Championship

18 months is so long :/ .. In my opinion, the scheme could be the same than the Go championship :

"FICGS world Go championship is a 2 stages tournament. First stage is a single round-robin tournament, involving the 9 highest rated players who entered the waiting list. The winner of this tournament is the challenger for FICGS world champion title. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage. If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account. If current world champion defends his title, he will play a 5 games match against his challenger."

Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff    (2008-09-28 22:33:50)
Big Chess Championship

I don't like the idea to exclude players with a minor rating.

And the length / duration of a Big Chess game does not depend on the mode of the tournament.

Thibault de Vassal    (2008-09-29 14:10:43)
Big Chess Championship

The real problem with Big Chess games is that the length / duration can be almost infinite :)

William Taylor    (2008-10-03 14:43:56)
Big Chess Championship

I like the idea of making it like the Go championship because it's simple. As for excluding players, I'm not sure there are many more than nine who would want to play anyway. If there are lots of players outside the top 9 who would want to play in the championship, perhaps there could be two stages of tournament. For example, if 21 people entered, we could have 3 groups of 7, with the top 2 from each group advancing to the next stage. Then there would be a six-player tournament to determine the challenger, followed by a match challenger vs previous champion. For the 1st championship the champion could either be the winner of the 2nd-round tournament, or the winner of a match between the top 2 finishers in the 2nd-round tournament.