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Back to forum Juri Eintalu (2023-11-05) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations A PUBLIC APPEAL TO CHESS ORGANISATIONS ON THE BOMBING OF THE GAZA STRIP Israel’s bombing of the civilians trapped in the Gaza Strip has resulted in a catastrophic number of causalities in a very short time. It may amount to crimes against humanity, war crimes, mass murder, collective punishment or genocide, as noted by the UN and several international independent organisations. I suggest that international chess organisations like FIDE and ICCF should revoke their sanctions on Russia and Belarus concerning the Russian invasion of Ukraine, or they should impose the same sanctions on Israel. Independently of the decisions of these international chess organisations, I call individual chess players to refuse to play chess with those players who are using Israel’s flag, etc. The full text of my appeal can be read here: https://medium.com/@eintalu/a-public-appeal-to-chess-organisations-on-the-bombing-of-the-gaza-strip-be56afd3f5ca Juri Eintalu (2023-11-05 18:00:41) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations The following paragraph was added after the publication of the first version of the Public Appeal: “However, at a non-individual, organisational, official level, the third point above, which calls for public condemnation of Israel’s actions, should be avoided. Notably, the Israeli police have threatened to severely punish anyone who criticises Israel’s current military action in the Gaza Strip. It is unreasonable to formally demand that a sports person should make such a statement, which would result in him being punished by the authorities in his own country.” Herbert Kruse (2023-11-13 23:31:43) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations our older generations did the holocaust, so for me its never again, so i am with jews always! Juri Eintalu (2023-11-14 03:57:14) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Herbert Kruse: "... our older generations did the holocaust, so for me its never again, so i am with jews always!" "Holocaust" is the name of a historical event. "Genocide" is a concept derived from that event. Shortly after WWII, the first international conventions preventing genocide were adopted. Today, we have: Article 6 "Genocide" of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention (= Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide) https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf There is one serious problem that has arisen. Israel's actions toward the Palestinians, particularly in the Gaza Strip, since October 2023 seem to match the definition of genocide exactly. Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity were sufficiently proven already in 2014. https://www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/TRP-Concl.-Gaza-EN.pdf Jews are like all the other nations. In Israel, they have their state, government, and so on. The problem is with the politics of that government, not with Jews. Herbert Kruse (2023-11-14 07:36:04) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations jews fear for their lifes in germany now, i hoped that shouldnt happen again after our history if children learn hate, nothing good comes frm it Herbert Kruse (2023-11-14 13:05:42) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations When the Nazis brought in the communists, I remained silent; I wasn't a communist. When they brought the trade unionists, I remained silent, I wasn't a trade unionist. When they took the Jews, I remained silent, I wasn't a Jew. When they took me there was no one left to protest. – Martin Niemöller Herbert Kruse (2023-11-14 15:56:31) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations She advocated for Palestinian children and a two-state solution. It is now clear: The 74-year-old activist Vivian Silver was murdered in the Hamas terrorist attack. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-15 01:32:18) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Herbert Kruse: "jews fear for their lifes in germany now" Collective punishment is banned by the international law. Collective punishment during war activities is considered a war crime. Right now, Israel is applying collective punishment towards the Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip. It was amazingly explicit in the speech of Israel's president. The current rise of antisemitism outside of Israel is a reaction to Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, but this antisemitism is too collective punishment. In my Public Appeal, I have explicitly said that in the case of chess sanctions, the Jews should not be targeted. No discrimination is allowed based on nationality. My Public Appeal addresses only Israel's current administration. Besides, there are some interesting facts about Jewish great thinkers. After WWII, Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt published her famous book "The Roots of Totalitarianism" The Stalinist regime and the Hitlerian regime were both regarded as totalitarian regimes in that book. I have read that Arendt had conflicts with ultra-Zionists after WWII. Albert Einstein wrote a letter on 10 April 1948. It was 1 day after the Deir Yassin massacre, committed by Israel's radical Zionists. Einstein called them "terrorists" and declared that he did not want to see them or talk to them. Herbert Kruse (2023-11-15 11:36:41) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations like Ukraine Israel had its "Butcha" at the music festival, so who attacked? and there were constant rockets on Israel from Gaza, should they just allow it? and the hostiges should just given up? if my state can not defend me, maybe u can help?! Juri Eintalu (2023-11-15 21:44:51) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Dear Herbert Kruse My Public Appeal is about the sports sanctions, particularly about the chess sanctions, in the context of the Ukraine/Russia war and the more recent Israel/Palestine war. My position is that it is wrong to politicise sports and, therefore, it was wrong to impose chess sanctions on Russia and Ukraine. The chess sanctions imposed on Russia and Ukraine should be lifted. However, if these sanctions remain in force and politicising sports is regarded as a new normal, I think similar sanctions should be imposed on all countries that have seriously violated the international conventions. Since October 2023, Israel has committed serious war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip (and elsewhere too). Therefore, I suggest that if the chess sanctions imposed on Russia and Belarus will not be removed, then similar sanctions should be imposed on Israel. For example, Israel should be excluded from the International Correspondence Chess Federation membership. I explained all these points in my Public Appeal. In your replies, you have actually not addressed my arguments presented in the Public Appeal. First, you started to talk about the Jews in Germany. But the word "Jew(s)" appeared only once in my Public Appeal - to declare that the sanctions should be imposed on the states or the citizens of states and not based on ethnicity: "As far as the Jews are concerned, collective punishment must not be applied to them. No one may be accused or discriminated against based on their nationality." Finally, you started to talk about Israel's right to self-defence. Again, this distorts the content of my Public Appeal. I have nowhere and never denied Israel's right to self-defence. However, from the right to self-defence, it in no way follows that one has a right to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Unnecessarily killing a large number of unarmed civilians is a war crime, and it cannot be justified by referring to self-defence or the war crimes the other side has earlier committed. Unfortunately, I cannot continue discussing this with you, as you have systematically ignored the content of my Public Appeal. Herbert Kruse (2023-11-16 08:45:42) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations you ignore, who is victim and who startet it inhumnan war crimes by Hamas caused this Herbert Kruse (2023-11-16 08:49:50) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Hamas strategy is to hide after civiliens, thats so obvious and you fall for it Juri Eintalu (2023-11-16 23:40:31) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Herbert Kruse: "you ignore, who is victim and who startet it" I do not ignore anything, but it is you who ignores everything relevant: 1) You ignore the text of my Public Appeal and the arguments presented there, and I have already said that above. 2) You ignore the definitions of "war crime" and "genocide". Above, I have even inserted some links to international conventions. 3) You ignore my replies. Above, I just explained to you that war crime is a war crime, and genocide is a genocide independently of the previous history. Who started the war or whether the opponent committed some war crimes earlier is irrelevant. 4) You also ignore the history. The Israel/Palestine wars started already in 1948. On 09 April 1948, one radical Zionist group committed a massacre of Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin. 5) You also ignore the documents concerning the current background. In the United Nations documentation, it is stated that the Gaza Strip is a territory occupied by Israel. There are other such territories. The UN documentation uses the phrase "Israel and occupied Palestinian territories". "inhumnan war crimes by Hamas caused this" It is more precise to say that Hamas's attack PROVOKED Israel's reaction. "Hamas strategy is to hide after civiliens, thats so obvious and you fall for it" I cannot speak with someone who arbitrarily ascribes to me some thoughts or attitudes I do not have. The use of human shields by Hamas in no way justifies Israel's current massacres in the Gaza Strip. Your argument is based on not knowing what is and what is not a war crime and what exactly is written in, e.g., the Genova Convention. It is also based on ignoring the text of my Public Appeal. I cannot continue the discussion with you because you violate the most basic principles of meaningful discussion. Herbert Kruse (2023-11-17 05:24:32) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations I wished you Had more emphaty for the victims Herbert Kruse (2023-11-17 08:00:18) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations btw, the palestinian have rich friends, who could use their money to make their lifes better, but the use it for weapons and make the people their pawn sacrifice to destroy israel und jews at all and i must say, that in my opinion netanyahu should be in prison for his corruption and try to weaken the democraty, which obvioulsly a lot of israelis think too as u could see in the big protest month ago. Ilmars Cirulis (2023-11-17 17:47:21) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Both Netanyahu and Hamas should be in prison. :( Poor civilians on both sides. Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 19:27:42) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations First of all, Russell Tribunal in Palestine was criticized: "Judge Richard Goldstone, writing in The New York Times in October 2011, said of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine that "It is not a 'tribunal.' The 'evidence' is going to be one-sided and the members of the 'jury' are critics whose harsh views of Israel are well known. In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute."[34] South African journalist and human rights activist Benjamin Pogrund, now living in Israel, described the Cape Town Session of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine as "It's theatre: the actors know their parts and the result is known before they start. Israel is to be dragged into the mud."[35] After the Cape Town session, Israeli MK Otniel Schneller filed a complaint with the Knesset's Ethics Committee against MK Hanin Zoabi, who testified at the Tribunal that "Israel is an apartheid state".[36] A group of Jewish South Africans protested against the court, and the organiser of the protest called it a "Kangaroo Court."[37] Daniele Archibugi and Alice Pease have argued that it is a rather common practice that those accused of international crimes challenge the impartiality of their accusers. And it may be the case that the organisers of opinion tribunals, as of any other tribunal, might be biased or produce insufficient evidence. But to further develop the rule of law, those which are unsatisfied about the outcomes of these tribunals should be able to produce further evidence and legal arguments rather than unsubstantiated criticism. Legal discourse, they argue, is necessarily based on the opposition of contrasting views.[38] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Tribunal Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 20:03:54) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Then, it would be difficult not to make differences between Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Hamas... the war between Israel & Hamas is very old, very complex & obviously has no reason to end, while the war between Ukraine & Russia is more recent and there is still some hope that it may come to an end (IMHO). Several things are quite sure to me: - Israel made bad things for a while in this region. Hamas is an islamist movement that made bad things as well. Most civilians are probably victims of these systems. Recently, Hamas chose to attack civilians instead of Israel (this is a war crime, no ambiguity there), Israel now does everything to destroy Hamas, making many victims among civilians. But this may not be war crimes according to definition. Nothing obvious there, we'll see. - Ukraine is attacked mainly because Poutine (at least) argues it historically belongs to Russia with no consideration of its recent history & international treaties (and among other reasons because he obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans). There are few doubts that war crimes have been committed there. No, definitely the comparison seems not valid and I see no reason why it should lead FIDE, ICCF or any chess/sport organization to consider it. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:05:36) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Herbert Kruse: "I wished you Had more emphaty for the victims" After all, you are directly insulting and slandering me. Get lost, Mr Herbert Kruse. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:11:09) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Ilmars Cirulis: "Both Netanyahu and Hamas should be in prison. :( Poor civilians on both sides." I have approximately the same opinion. However, concerning chess sanctions, we can sanction only Israel. We cannot impose chess sanctions on Hamas, as Hamas is not a state and it is not represented in the FIDE or ICCF. We cannot expel Hamas from the ICCF because it has never been there. My essay was about chess sanctions, not about such things as the International Criminal Court (ICC). However, if to speak on that issue, my view is that both Hamas and Israel should be prosecuted in the ICCF. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:24:26) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations to Thibault de Vassal: It is beside the point whether the Russell Tribunal on Palestine was biased or not. What is essential is that you have said nothing about the facts and statistic presented by that tribunal. You are talking about the apartheid. But you ignore the context in which I mentioned the Russell Tribunal on Palestine. I was talking about that tribunal because it presented facts, that already in 2014, Israel's actions concerning the Gaza Strip were very close to genocide. Thus, your remarks concerning the Russell Tribunal on Palestine are beside the point and avoiding the theme. Moreover, independently of any Russel tribunals, it is evident and clear that there is an apartheid regime in Israel and occupied Palestine territories. First of all, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are surrounded by a high wall with barbered wire. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:57:22) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations to Thibault de Vassal: "Recently, Hamas chose to attack civilians instead of Israel (this is a war crime, no ambiguity there), Israel now does everything to destroy Hamas, making many victims among civilians. But this may not be war crimes according to definition. Nothing obvious there, we'll see." The 07 October attack is quite recent, and I would not say that all the circumstances are clear. For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. The only thing that is sure is that some number of civilians were killed by Hamas. It is sure, because Israel accuses Hamas of killing the civilians, and one of Hamas leaders has publicly admitted, that during that attack, Hamas killed some civilians "accidentally". Killing civilians may make it a war crime. Intentionally killing civilians may make it an act of terrorism. After the 07 October attack, Israel has killed awfully many civilians in the Gaza Strip. I totally agree with those experts who say that such a bombing of the sieged territory is not self-defence and it is a war crime - at the very least. Note that during the 07 October attack, approximately 1200 people were killed, some of them were soldiers, and the others were civilians, many of them unarmed civilians. Under Israel's bombs, in the Gaza Strip, during one month, more than 10,000 unarmed civilians were killed. Most of them were women and children. And it has not yet ended. As of now, no one of the participants in the present discussion has said anything at all about the content of my Public Appeal. It seems that no one has even read it, despite I inserted the link into my initial post. I did not try to present the text directly here, on the Forum, as it was perhaps too lengthy for the Forum. I shall provide the link to my Public Appeal again: https://medium.com/@eintalu/a-public-appeal-to-chess-organisations-on-the-bombing-of-the-gaza-strip-be56afd3f5ca Concerning civilian causalities of the Gaza bombing, and the comparison of the Ukraine war and the Israel war, I provided the following information in my Public Appeal: <International organisations confirm that Israel has managed to kill more children in the Gaza Strip in one month in 2023 than were killed in all the war zones on the planet in the whole of 2022. In fact, significantly more children have been killed by Israeli bombs in one month than in two years of war in Ukraine. See also, e.g.: “GAZA: 3,195 CHILDREN KILLED IN THREE WEEKS SURPASSES ANNUAL NUMBER OF CHILDREN KILLED IN CONFLICT ZONES SINCE 2019” Save the Children, 29 October 2023 https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-3195-children-killed-three-weeks-surpasses-annual-number-children-killed-conflict-zones# > Now, while talking about the attacks on civilians, you (as other participants of the discussion) simply ignore my Public Appeal. Concerning your political views about the real intentions of Russia when starting a war against Ukraine, what you present dogmatically and without evidence - the only sober reply is that dogmatically and without evidence, one could as well assert whatever about the Israeli real intentions concerning the Gaza war. However, we have direct evidence from the public speeches of Israel's leadership, that the intentions of the Gaza war are genocidal. I conclude that you are trying to whitewash Israeli large-scale war crimes and crimes against humanity while ignoring the text of my Public Appeal. Herbert Kruse (2023-11-18 16:23:33) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations "I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. " for that u dont need empathy, u need to be in prison! Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-18 19:42:16) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Juri, when you say << For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. >>, I'm not sure if your topic is determinism or something else but obviously you cannot be sure of anything. Did you watch the videos? Anyway, any army killing or kidnapping civilians is a war crime for sure and that's most probably terrorism in this case. On Israel response, many experts say different things, so it remains unclear yet to me. (it is important not to listen what one want to hear only) About your text, you seem to neglict all contextual elements to compare Russia, Thaïland, Congo, North Korea, China or whatever situation in any country... No chess organization reacted much when Peng Shuai (chinese tennis star) disappeared, but tennis world reacted! For Rohingya, Karabakh or about war in Irak or Afghanisatan. How many chess players in these countries? That is not the same. Russia & Ukraine are among the most influential chess nations in the world. Russia is the biggest country, has the most nuclear weapons. That's why it seems pertinent that chess players and organizations take position towards not just peace (undermeaning "do what Russia wants"), but a fair and right peace. You say : "Concerning your political views about the real intentions of Russia when starting a war against Ukraine, what you present dogmatically and without evidence" The evidence is in Putin's speeches, "Russia defends its interests", obviously Ukraine (another country for a while) should not be free of his choices, in example to join an alliance to protect itself just like Finland or other countries... Obviously Ukraine is Russia's interest and should not join OTAN. Did ever OTAN attack Russia? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dgy4vYTp_Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxS9YIBeJbY Watching full speeches is even more instructive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzr0K0CE0M Putin's rhetoric remains both crude and manipulative, appealing to people's conservative reflexes. And it works on most people who get outraged at the slightest conspiracy theory, it's no coincidence. Finally, the argument saying that there shouldn't be politics in chess or sports has no foundations other than a subjective point of view. You say that these bans by FIDE were out of international laws and that the same restrictions should apply to israeli playesrs... well, so just prove it and make appeal I guess. Karjakin probably thought about that already!? Meanwhile, these discussions are only point of views. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-19 00:58:48) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations ARGUMENTS CONCERNING THE RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR None of the commentators explained why it was necessary and reasonable to politicise sports and to impose sanctions on Russia and Belarus. No one answered my corresponding arguments from my Public Appeal. No one explained why the sanctions were imposed on Russia for the invasion of Ukraine, while no sanctions were imposed on the US for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. HERBERT KRUSE PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING "ARGUMENT": "like Ukraine Israel had its "Butcha" at the music festival, so who attacked? and there were constant rockets on Israel from Gaza, should they just allow it? and the hostiges should just given up? if my state can not defend me, maybe u can help?!" This emotional and psychological manipulation completely ignored all my relevant arguments and explanations. Now, let us take only the first phrase of this mumbo-jumbo: "like Ukraine Israel had its 'Butcha' at the music festival, so who attacked?" My Public Appeal was about chess sanctions. Now, the data are as follows: 2022, February 24: Russia started its invasion of Ukraine 2022, February 27: An extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Council was held on the current situation and the urgent measures to be taken after the military action launched by Russia in Ukraine. https://fide.com/news/1603 Thus, it seems that they waited for the beginning of the Russian invasion and had a plan for how to react, as they responded only a few days later. Israel had occupied Palestinian territories for 55 years, but the chess federation FIDE had never reacted. 2022, March 16: Russia and Belarus teams suspended from FIDE competitions. https://fide.com/news/1638 2022, March 30: Russian troops leave Bucha (near Kyiv). 2022, April 01: The corpses in Bucha were discovered. Now, the first obvious problem with Herbert Kruse's "argument" is that the timeline proves that the chess sanctions on Russia were imposed BEFORE the corpses in Bucha were discovered. The second problem is that he does not know or pretends not to know the definitions of such terms as "war crime". The third problem is that, as a matter of fact, we do NOT know WHEN these people were executed, and we do NOT know WHO executed them. It is so because there were actually TWO massacres in Bucha. The shelling killed some people, "The Guardian" reported. These people were lying on the streets. The satellite images proved that they were killed before the Russian Army left the town. However, some people were executed in the cellars. Unfortunately, the satellite images cannot prove the time of the executions in the cellars. There is one additional problem. Ukraine has not made public the names and personal data of the victims. Therefore, we do not even know what percentage of the victims were Ukrainians and what percentage were Russians. THIBAULT THE VASSAL PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING SEQUENCE OF ARGUMENTS: "Ukraine is attacked mainly because Poutine (at least) argues it historically belongs to Russia with no consideration of its recent history & international treaties (and among other reasons because he obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans)." Thibault has no evidence whatsoever for one's claim that Putin "obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans)." There is even no evidence to the claim that the Russian administration thinks that the majority of Ukrainians were Nazis. The evidence might be the public speeches of Russian leaders. But I have seen no such speech with such theses. Indeed, Putin has said something else. I believe that Thibault presents one's prejudices as "obvious facts". Besides, it has nothing to do with the arguments of my Public Appeal. "There are few doubts that war crimes have been committed there." In the Ukraine/Russia war, BOTH sides have committed a lot of war crimes, and it is well documented and proven. However, the chess sanctions on Russia were not imposed because of the war crimes, as can be seen from the schedule above. The motivation to impose those sanctions was, initially, merely the fact that Russia started a war (not a war crime but a crime against peace). Moreover, in the Ukraine/Donbas domestic war too, both sides committed war crimes. Ukraine committed crimes against humanity, and there were clear genocidal elements of the behaviour towards the Russian-speaking minority of Ukraine. It is also well-documented and proven. At the beginning of my Public Appeal, I mentioned that Karyakin argued from the premise that Ukrainian ultra-nationalists murdered a lot of Russians in Ukraine. However, I see that the responses to my Public Appeal have altogether ignored all my arguments, and everyone has preferred to talk about something else. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-19 01:13:45) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Me: "I am not sure that Hamas 'chose' to kill civilians." Herbert Kruse: "for that u dont need empathy, u need to be in prison!" My answer: Please arrest this man with the name "Herbert Kruse". He is obviously a fascist. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-19 01:39:29) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Thibault the Vassal: "Juri, when you say << For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. >>, I'm not sure if your topic is determinism or something else but obviously you cannot be sure of anything. Did you watch the videos? Anyway, any army killing or kidnapping civilians is a war crime for sure and that's most probably terrorism in this case." I do not understand what you are talking about? I cannot be sure about the videos because I know that Israel is a liar. I cannot be sure that it was Hamas as and organization who (intentionally) killed the civilians. Perhaps some members of Hamas enjoyed killing civilians despite the commands of their chiefs. I cannot be sure that these were members of Hamas who murdered the civilians. Perhaps Israel knew about the attack and these civilians were killed during the attack by, say, the Israeli secret service. Perhaps Netanyahu wanted it to happen to get an excuse to start the carpet bombing of the Gaza Strip. I cannot be sure that all the civilians killed were killed by Hamas. It is plausible to guess that some civilians were killed by Israeli forces. After all, I know that earlier, Israel had intentionally killed its own soldiers and its own civilians. There are or have been such dubious doctrines in the Israel Defence Forces (IDF): HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive DAHYIA DOCTRINE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine I also know that reportedly here have been some witnesses in Israel, Jews, who have claimed in Israel TV and radio, that they saw that Israeli forces killed civilian hostages and random civilians nearby. Therefore, I am not in a hurry decide, what actually happened on 07 October 2023. What I reported above was that I regard it as proven beyond reasonable doubt that Hamas killed some unknown number of civilians. Finally, Thibault the Vassal, I do not accept your attitude, and particularly I completely condemn the attitude of Herbert Kruse. Are you both some kind of communists or Stalinists? It is not a crime not to believe such assertions that have not been sufficiently proven. If you demand that one must blindly believe whatever propaganda the government or the mainstream media produces, then you are a totalitarianist. I do not want to talk to such people. However, now, at least, I know how such people are thinking, who defend absolutely illogical and inconsistent policies. Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-19 04:40:50) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Oh well, you surely cannot be sure of anything, but still it seems that you know many things... No, that's not a crime as far as I know. I just wonder what looks like your process to decide what the truth is. Maybe you "make your own researches". I suggest you to watch the dozens of videos there: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=october+7+hamas Do you estimate it's all made by an AI? Hollywood? Israel studio? In a single day? Anyway, your message was heard... If you want to read it, my opinion is that you awkwardly try to bring confusion where there are facts and on the nature of these facts. Obviously you are not in a hurry to decide what actually happened on 07 October 2023, but you seem in a hurry to appeal chess organizations to treat Israel & Russia in another way than they do. Why not waiting for a few years to be sure? I do not have to accept your attitude too, by the way. Are you one of these confusionist propagandists? Are you some kind of Qanon or Trumpist? Finally I do not demand that you believe anything, that would be totalitarist & stupid, indeed. I just give my opinion on your comments as well. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-20 02:21:47) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations "Israeli Security Establishment: Hamas Likely Didn’t Have Advance Knowledge of Nova Festival" Haaretz, 18 November 2023 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000 "Hamas had not planned to attack music festival, Israeli report says" Al Jazeera, 18 November 2023 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/18/hamas-had-not-planned-to-attack-israel-music-festival-israeli-report-says '“An investigation into the incident revealed an [Israeli military] combat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at the terrorists and apparently also hit some of the revelers there,” the Haaretz report cited an unnamed police official as saying.' The funniest thing is that after Mr Herbert Kruse claimed that I should be in jail for not thinking that the official narrative on the 07 October attack was entirely true and proven - the very next day Israeli newspapers reported that some unspecified number of civilians were killed not by Hamas but by Israeli helicopter. The sad thing is that the discussion of the 07 October events is absolutely irrelevant to my Public Appeal. As I have explained above several times. Suppose that all the 1200 people killed on 07 October were civilians. Suppose that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (I have not checked their background, I heard the name "Hamas" first time in my life on 07 October). Suppose that the 07 attack was a terrorist attack and all the civilians were killed intentionally. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can be inferred concerning my Public Appeal. I have explained already several times that Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip are in no way justified by 07 October events. It follows from the international conventions, from the entrenched definitions of "war crime", "genocide", etc. I have also explained, already in my Public Appeal, that there is no need to impose sports sanctions on Hamas, as Hamas has been announced to be a terrorist organisation by the European Union, shortly after the 07 October events. Moreover, I have explained above, that one cannot expel Hamas from the chess organisations like FIDE or ICCF, because it has never been there. I do not want to talk to such demagogues as Herbert Kruse and Thibault de Vassal. Among other things, both have completely ignored my arguments and the actual text of my Public Appeal. There is an ongoing genocide in the Gaza Strip. Compared to the enormous crimes of Israel, the scale of killing unarmed civilians, the Russian Chess Federation has been sanctioned for small things, while the current racist, fascist Nazi-Israel has remained untouched, with impunity. Herbert Kruse (2023-11-20 14:30:06) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations now the russian trolls are here too, its sad Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-20 19:39:27) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Juri, you probably spread fake news: ___________________________ Social media users recently circulated video footage they claimed shows an Israeli helicopter killing Israelis at an Oct. 7 concert in Israel. Stew Peters, a far-right radio host and the filmmaker behind the anti-COVID-19 vaccine films "Died Suddenly" and "Watch the Water," shared the 14-second video clip on X, formerly Twitter. "VIDEO PROVES and ISRAEL ADMITS it slaughtered its own people on Oct. 7th," Peters wrote Nov. 9. "This attack was NOT made by goat herders on paragliders. Footage from Israeli helicopter shows the IDF killing many people at October 7 concert in Israel. IDF helicopters fired on civilians fleeing the PsyTrance Music Festival." Other social media users shared Peters’ post, and it was flagged as part of Meta’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram.) We also found this video clip misrepresented on TikTok. (...) GeoConfirmed, a group that works to geolocate video footage, analyzed the Israel Defense Forces’ video, and concluded it was not filmed at the site of the Nova music festival. We found no evidence to support Peters’ claim that the video clip showed Israeli forces killing people at an Oct. 7 concert in Israel. A group that works to geolocate video footage analyzed the Israel Defense Forces’ video and said it was not filmed at the music festival site. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/nov/17/stew-peters/no-this-video-doesnt-show-israeli-military-killing/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UQKWdZRco _________________________ In doubt, such news (probably fake news) have no place here... Thanks in advance. Now we heard your message (and I did respond to your public appeal), feel free to let chess organizations decide what they have to do, no need to discuss it more here. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-23 23:19:53) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Now, a question has been raised about banning Israel from the Olympic Games: "Should Israel’s Flag Be Raised at the Paris Olympics?" <be> How the IOC is penalizing Russia provides insight into how it could treat Israel at the 2024 Games. https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-russia-paris-olympics/ My position has not been changed because I have not received any reasonable arguments against my views. I am of the opinion that: 1. Russia was banned from the Paris 2024 Olympics using demagogical arguments. The real reason for the ban was, of course, that in 2022, Russia started a war against Ukraine and annexed some Ukrainian territories starting in 2014. 2. The International Olympic Committee should publicly accept that it was a mistake to politicize sports and it should annul the sanctions imposed on Russia. 3. If the International Olympic Committee does not lift the sanctions imposed on Russia, it should impose the same sanctions on Israel because Israel is very explicitly committing genocide in the Gaza Sector since 07 October 2023. Juri Eintalu (2023-11-25 21:54:54) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Herbert Kruse: "now the russian trolls are here too, its sad" I do not know, perhaps Herbert Kruse kept in mind, for example, the following section from my Public Appeal: "Suppose it is permissible to obstruct Russian sports persons to get Russia to stop its military aggression against Ukraine. In that case, it must also be permissible to obstruct Israeli sports persons to get Israel to stop its war crimes and to punish the perpetrators." Or, perhaps the following one: "However, the civil war in Ukraine, which started in 2014, had killed around 20,000 civilians by 2022. But, by November 2023, the Russian invasion that began in 2022 had already killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers." You are a moral and intellectual bastard, Mr. Herbert Kruse. And what if someone says here, on the Forum of the chess platform: "Now the paedophiles, sodomites and corpse-eaters are here too, its sad." How would you publicly prove here, on the Forum, that you are not a paedophile, sodomite and corpse-eater? Juri Eintalu (2023-11-25 22:00:10) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations Thibault de Vassal: "Juri, you probably spread fake news:..." "In doubt, such news (probably fake news) have no place here... Thanks in advance." I have NOT shared that video here, on the Forum, neither a link to it. And I have NOT mentioned that video here, on the Forum. You are a sick slanderer, Mr. Thibault de Vassal. Don't worry, I will not play a single chess game on the platform FICGS anymore. I decided so already half a year ago. Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-25 23:11:04) A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations This discussion has now ended for good... (hopefully)
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