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1st team tournament !Back to forum Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-29) 1st team tournament ! Hello all, As you may have read in the forum previously, the idea of a team chess tournament came up (originally Olympiad, maybe later). The 1st FICGS CHESS TEAM TOURNAMENT will start on May 15th, 2009. Each team must be made of 4 players, whatever their ratings. The tournament will be a single round-robin tournament, games will be unrated (just for fun !), time control : 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves. You may contact other players through the form in My Messages (bottom) or just make a call here in this thread or in the chat bar to find partners, the definitive teams should be announced with their name in this thread to be in ! We might also vote for the funniest team name after the tournament started, be aware ;) Have fun :-) Daniel Parmet (2009-04-30 00:33:32) How to enter? Is there an Intereted Player List that we can enter on for people to pick for their team? Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-30 12:19:22) How to enter... There's no simple way to build teams (particularly friendly teams), players may directly contact friends or announce here that they want to build a team and wait for other players to contact him... Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-30 12:47:48) Rated or unrated ? Should this team tournament be rated or not in your opinion ? At a first sight it seems to me that high-rated players would think about playing twice as they can meet players with low ratings, but according to at least one of them I may be wrong on this... Scott Nichols (2009-04-30 23:58:53) Rated or unrated? I would play either way. Usually, I only will play rated, but I would think this format would work just as well unrated. The theme I think is fun here, with fun names. I was thinking of all kinds of bizarre openings to try, but would need to think twice about opening choice if it was rated. It sorta goes back to Michael Aigner's point on unrated tournaments IMHO. Thank you for having this new style. The incentive in rated games is simply not to lose points if you lose, or to gain points if you win. In team chess, this incentive is not needed. The incentive is that you do not want your teammates to beat you up if you lose. ;-) Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-01 01:25:25) A team tournament Just don't forget me guys. I don't post quite often, but I am still there and has to try plenty of things. Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-05-02 22:21:13) Engines go home! are there any engines-free teams tournaments? Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-02 23:08:45) Engines Maybe next time, could be an idea ! Don Groves (2009-05-03 00:21:39) Team tournament ethics Should each player on a team play his/her game in isolation, or is asking one's teammates for advice permitted? Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-03 00:22:20) now how many team redy? can i join me or any 3 add your id here we form new team Scott Nichols (2009-05-03 00:22:37) Scared of a parrot?!? Who could possibly be scared of a parrot, HaHa, you've got to be kidd..., wait, honey did you hear that noise? It sounds like it is coming from the attic. There it is again! Sort of a low drawn out squawking sound. I better call the police...the phone's dead. William Taylor (2009-05-03 01:36:13) Team tournament ethics Good question Don. In OTB team tournaments team members might help each other to prepare for an opponent before the game, but of course couldn't help during the game. I'm not sure if we'll know who our opponents are before the games have started here, so that approach may not be possible. It would be nice to have some sort of cooperation, but one thing that should be avoided IMO is a strong player getting 3 weaker team members and essentially playing their games for them. Don Groves (2009-05-03 06:30:36) I agree... ... with that, William, and the only way to prevent it is to not allow any coaching during the games. Can we all agree on that? However, before a game begins, team members may share information they may have on an opponent's prior games and tendencies. Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-05-03 09:10:22) Again parrots! >:-| > Who could possibly be scared of a parrot, HaHa, you've got to be kidd... I'm 35 year old unshaved man with a headache after YESTERDAY and if there were some parrot making noise in the attic - no force in the world (including police, army and CIA+FSB+Mossad agents working in cooperation ) could save that parrot from its terrible fate. Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-03 14:09:17) First team : "The Dark Knights" :) Name : The Dark Knights #1 William Taylor-2140 #2 Scott Nichols-2089 #3 Don Groves-1991 #4 Josef Riha-1989 .. brr, frightening :) kind of Monthy Python tribute ? About team tournament ethics, I don't think that the best player would play all moves for his team in any case, FICGS rules should still apply, I don't think it will be a problem, particularly in an unrated "for fun" tournament :) Don Groves (2009-05-03 23:04:30) Dark Knights Thibault escrit: .. brr, frightening :) kind of Monty Python tribute ? Or could it be Darth Vader and Batman ;-) Dinesh De Silva (2009-05-04 12:09:54) I have some new names for teams 1.Pickled Pawns. 2.Boasty Bishops. 2.Wicked Kings. 4.Dancing Doughnuts. 5.Terrible Losers. 6.Cheesy Nuts. 7.SquareOnTheHypotenus Rooks. Hehe! Scott Nichols (2009-05-05 04:09:49) The "Theme" You are missing the theme, it's not Batman, Darth Vader, or even Monty Python. It is how you will feel when trying to "see" into this teams strategy. You will see shadows of Bishops sliding in front of you, you will see Knights suddenly appearing behind you, you will see pawns at every turn wielding their swords of death. You will only feel the Queen's presence, something all powerful hidden behind the veils of darkness. You pray for some sort of light, but all you can see is a brief reflection before the axe ends your existence. Normajean Yates (2009-05-05 06:45:03) scott nichols: great post :) great post :) Don Groves (2009-05-05 07:27:07) The "Theme" Scott, that sounds a lot like the Ninjas ;-) Dinesh De Silva (2009-05-05 12:32:35) Re: I heard G.W. Bush was ghostwriting a horror book for Scott titled "Axes Of Evil". Garvin Gray (2009-05-06 01:21:48) I am in. I want to play. As for the question of rated v unrated, I think rated is definetely the way to go. By being rated it reduces the potential for players/teams to do any funny business in regards to either team tactics or other undesirable stuff. Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-06 01:49:46) Our Team 1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648 2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396 any one join each country 4 members only Scott Nichols (2009-05-06 03:21:04) Question Thibault.. How will the points be scored? A 4-0 victory is 4 points or one point. A 2-2 result, is it 2 points for each team or is it considered a draw? Don Groves (2009-05-06 03:40:37) Scoring I vote for adding the individual game scores to make the team score. So, yes, 4-0, 2-2, etc. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-06 04:04:43) Team I want to play, Anyone who wants to have me in your team or want to play, contact me please. I believe each team can get only 1 point per round, a 2-2 would count as a draw and 3-1 would count as one point. William Taylor (2009-05-06 11:20:14) Scoring My slight preference would be for a more normal system such as 2 points for a team win, and 1 for a draw, with board points only being used for tiebreaks. (I think this could potentially lead to more 'team tactics' - for example, if you saw that one member of your team had an easy win and the other two games were likely to be drawn, you might opt for a safe line rather than going for wild complications - and if one game was going to be lost, you might head for the wild complications in an effort to win.) Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-06 11:57:15) Scoring I agree with William on this point, if a team scores 4-0 or 3-1, it is 2 points for the team, 1 point if the score is 2-2, 0 otherwise. This time the games will be unrated as a test (maybe this will be a rated tournament next time), I think it is a good occasion to play more unusual openings, this is for fun after all :) Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-06 11:59:44) New team ! A new team has been built :) We still have no name but working on... #1 Michael Aigner - 2602 #2 Xavier Pichelin - 2577 #3 Hannes Rada - 2559 #4 Thibault de Vassal - 2473 Come on everyone, funny games to play :) Scott Nichols (2009-05-06 12:40:00) What a team! My question on this team Thib, how did you convince the other three to allow a weakie such as yourself into such elite company! :):0):). This is going to be a fun event! Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-06 12:53:08) What a team... The privilege to be the FICGS webmaster ? Dunno... just tried ;) Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2009-05-06 14:44:35) Scoring "I agree with William on this point, if a team scores 4-0 or 3-1, it is 2 points for the team, 1 point if the score is 2-2, 0 otherwise" I also agree with William. But I would prefer that the results 3,5-0,5 and 2,5-1,5 would give two points to the first team too :) Benjamin Block (2009-05-06 15:01:58) I can play in a team! To Raman, Ranganathan. I can join that team if it still is open to join. Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-06 16:14:00) team tournament Consider me in. I dont care whether it is rated or not. As to points score, we can do it in both ways: total points score and 2-1-0 points system. I would join any team with a big pleasure. Don Groves (2009-05-06 22:35:33) Scoring Either way is fine with me but, if we are playing your team, Thibault, the score should always be 1-1 ;-) Daniel Parmet (2009-05-07 00:18:40) team average 2552? wow I guess we already know what team is going to win... Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-07 00:59:45) Any one join team TEAM NAME:Our Team 1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648 2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396 3.Sophie Leclerc 4.Benjamin Block ------------------- 5.Vadim Khachaturov any one join each country 4 active members only Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-07 02:40:52) team I can join, I'll mail my friend and if possible, we should add him to our, Yugi_inving, he only a low rating because of me. Yugi Inving will be a good addition.. Don,t worry, the thibeault team will not win too much game. If only Yugi could work for us and stop working on his engine. (It should be finished.) And for the name, What about The_phantoms ? Iouri Basiliev (2009-05-07 11:32:54) 1st team tournament ! If someone from Ukraine want to play in the team - please answer here or write to me. Preliminary team name is "Yellow-Blue Warriors" :) William Taylor (2009-05-07 14:42:13) Thibault's team Don't be too sure of winning...The Dark Knights are ready to take on all comers! ;) Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-08 10:38:12) 1st team tournament Would anyone like to join the team with a provisory name " the summer breeze" ? Jorge Orden (2009-05-08 18:41:59) hello all I wish to play in the team tournament. I don't have team now Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-08 21:50:17) summer breeze I agree to join any team, as long as others can be okay. who will be with them? Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-09 01:45:17) summer breeze You are welcome, Sophie ! What about Jorge? If he agrees, we will be three already. Jorge Orden (2009-05-09 12:24:00) I accept Vadim, i accept your invitation but i don't know how do it. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-09 21:49:51) Sure you accept^ Right. Then we need to find another player. We will contact the webmaster once our team is created. We should see who accept, wonder if it could be right for Yugi inving to help us a little with that tournament. Even if I have to make his move since he don't have a computer. I do not make him win.... The summer breeze is a good name, but I still believe the phantoms suit us more, as no one see us. Normajean Yates (2009-05-09 23:09:00) names that sophie's post suggest: ('summer breeze' reminds me of that corny ?bee-gees song 'how deep is your love': that phrase featured prominently in that song) -- sickly-sweet-icky-yuck ;) but invisibility: how about 'The Cheshire Cats'? [the grin...] - but it would be a bit out of place unless one had an all-Cheshire team -- most unlikely.. Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-10 09:11:30) summer breeze Ok, Sophie. I accept any name. If Cheshire is not an appropriate name, we can call it summer cats. lol. I hardly imagine, how You can make moves instead of Yugi. If so,and if our opponents have no objections, let it be this way. You just need to know that as soon as possible,cause we still need the fourth player. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-10 22:13:49) For the move He send me his move by e-mail, since I am his friend, I promise I would keep his account and play his on this site and inform him of his opponent sometimes I mess up and play badly a couple of his games or resign them, he grew angry at me... I don't think our opponent will have any objection, they will just ask to not be stupid and to not play for him. I can reconnize his account now, he set it in french.. Daniel Parmet (2009-05-11 01:57:11) Need team I still need a team if someone wants me? Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-11 04:27:15) You join Well, Parmet I haven't mail yugi yet.. What about him Vadim ? Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-11 05:39:56) team tournament About Yugi or Daniel? We have one place only. Any of them two are ok. But for me, its better, when the player make his moves by himself. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-11 15:29:48) My prefered team Vadim Khachaturov Yugi Inving Sophie Leclerc Jorge Orden That would be the team I prefer. I believe we will be to keep up with other for a while. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-11 18:07:51) Yugi agree So I guess our team is complete. we should just mail thibeault now. Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-11 21:22:06) Name Ok,Sophie. But remember, You should do one more thing: give a correct name for our team. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-11 23:36:33) Names All goes with the thème. If we can call ourselves, the dragonriders, Assuming we play the sicilian dragon. the phantoms, If we defend yugi's new opening, f4 c4 Nc3 Nf3, in any order. This name would give us more then invisbility, it tell our opponent that we will survive (you can't kill a ghost.) Gambit lover, if we love to play gambit, it would suit us very well. chess angels, if we are not too guilty, that would suit us, but I am very guilty.... Pterodactyl guild, if we play the system with white and black ( for black, c5, g6, Bg7, Qa5. Black radical way to prevent d4. You can't say they are not original. Your choice. Normajean Yates (2009-05-12 09:47:07) or dragon-chasers, if.. if a team plays the dragon on opium. ('Accelerated Dragon chasers' for dragon-players on heroin; when they are turkeying then they are in a Maroczy Bind :/) Garvin Gray (2009-05-12 15:45:18) 2100 player here i am still looking for a team if there are players out there of similar rated players around 2100 or so. Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-12 18:41:53) For the name How about the ghost knight, that would suit us pretty well. Ilmars Cirulis (2009-05-12 18:57:04) To Daniel Parmet I agree. Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-13 01:10:06) Team tournament Finally! So, here is our team, called "The Ghost Knights". 1. Vadim Khachaturov, 2. Yugi Inving, 3. Sophie Leclerc, 4.Jorge Orden. Daniel Parmet (2009-05-13 05:36:13) Team forming I take it by Ilmar's statement above he has joined me! Daniel Parmet 1961 Ilmar Cirulis 1805 Garvin Gray invited (awaiting his reply) seeking 1 for sure! Daniel Parmet (2009-05-13 07:22:43) Need 1 for team! Team is currently Garvin Gray 2125 Daniel Parmet 1961 Ilmar Cirulis 1805 we seek one more! Garvin Gray (2009-05-13 08:18:15) new team, correct thread lol Daniel, I think we have a team now. Stephane Legrand has contacted me wanting to join our team, so that makes four players, if you are ok with that. Stephane Legrand 2209 Garvin Gray 2125 Daniel Parmet 1961 Ilmar Cirulis 1805 Stanimir Denchev (2009-05-13 09:20:47) Anyone need a player ? I wish to play in the team tournament. I don't have team now Dmytro Romaniuk (2009-05-13 12:00:37) Iouri Basiliev I want play for Ukraine. Volker Koslowski (2009-05-13 12:32:49) New Team Hi to all! I would like to announce a new team called FSF En Passant for the first FICGS team tournament. We are: 1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270) 2. Volker Koslowski (2264) 3. Sebastian Boehme (2175) 4. Roland Markus (2096) and we are looking forward for some nice games at this tournament. So let's have fun :) Daniel Parmet (2009-05-13 18:10:20) Excellent Okay Garvin that sounds great now all we need is a team name! Ostap Hladky (2009-05-13 21:29:58) Iouri Basiliev I'd like to play for Ukraine too. Alexander Blinchevsky (2009-05-13 22:10:41) I am looking for the team Any options? Iouri Basiliev (2009-05-14 00:28:12) Yellow-Blue Warriors Dmytro Romaniuk Iouri Basiliev Ostap Hladky Iouri Basiliev (2009-05-14 00:28:53) Yellow-Blue Warriors One more player, please! Ilmars Cirulis (2009-05-14 16:39:47) :) Team name? Normajean Yates (2009-05-14 17:01:24) Mudjahidienne? after all, Mujahidin precisely means warriors... ;) Ilmars Cirulis (2009-05-14 17:04:15) Mujahidin I don't like that. It forces me to think about jihad. Daniel Parmet (2009-05-14 18:52:24) Happy Pawn Ilmar suggested Happy Pawn. I like this name. So Team Happy Pawn: Stephane Legrand 2209 Garvin Gray 2125 Daniel Parmet 1961 Ilmar Cirulis 1805 Don Groves (2009-05-15 08:14:37) Mujahidin Chess was an Arabic invention, so perhaps mujahidin (holy warrior) is very appropriate. Iouri Basiliev (2009-05-15 10:39:54) Yellow-Blue Warriors is a team now! Iouri Basiliev Dmytro Romaniuk Ostap Hladky Yura Lemehov Ilmars Cirulis (2009-05-15 13:06:05) Mujahidin Islam and jihad is arab invention too. So I don't like mujahidin as team name. But do as you wish. Normajean Yates (2009-05-15 20:39:11) happy pawn - very nice name! Why can't *I* think of beautiful names like that? :) Normajean Yates (2009-05-15 21:00:55) yes, and: no team is called 'the crusaders' so perhaps 'moudjahidienne' is not appropriate.. though I suggested the french spelling [I hope I got it right this time] becuse it reminds English-speakers of Algerian freedom fighters [the religious ones - iirc the term does *not* occur in Frantz Fanon's 'the wretched of the earth' nor in Sartre's famous introduction to that book] against France; and not the taliban-types - though when the mujahidin were fighting the *soviets* with US help [understatement], Nixon called them freedom-fighters.. I am not sure whether jihad means 'holy war' or just 'war' - in the latter case mujahidin would mean or would have meant warriors.. ('crusaders' - from the derivation from the cross, definitely meant holy warriors - I say 'meant' because to say 'mean' would be to commit the etymological fallacy (i.e. equating etymology with current meaning; which would make 'wife' a synonym of 'cow' or something iirc..) Don (Groves), or anyone volunteering, please look it up --- I am so exhausted now I don't have the energy. Maybe in a couple of days - now I am suddenly curious about this - what does and did 'jihad' actually mean - does or did it necessarily have holy connotations? The term itself is from pre-Islamic polytheistic Arabia, (Mohammed was *not* known for coining new words - that was *Shakespeare* (and later, Joyce ;)) strengthening my doubts.. Iouri Basiliev (2009-05-15 22:09:49) Normajean Yates, chess is quintessence of war :) Don Groves (2009-05-16 01:11:41) Mujahidin Hi, Normajean -- Don't have to look it up. The Arabic suffix "uddin" or "idin" means "of the faith." Hence a mujahidin is a "warrior of the faith," or a holy warrior. Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-16 02:32:37) how many team are they? 1st team match with which team? Normajean Yates (2009-05-16 04:01:40) oh - right, Don! yes I remember now - jihad <-> mujah-i-din : 'din' pronounced 'deen' = religion/faith.. [<-> = coomon root; I dont know what the root is - I purchased the Oxford english <->arabic dictionary but it is at present tedious for me to refer to because Ive to learn or look up the arabic alphabet first, in the arabic alphabetical order] thanks Don -- (also, happy that my recent stupidity seems to have been really excused; I wrote that request to Don [to 'look it up' - i meant 'unless you know already' but forgot to put that in :)] with (apologies to Kiekegaard) 'fear and trepidation' .. Normajean Yates (2009-05-16 04:04:48) Iouri Basiliev : great quote! ;) 'chess is quintessence of war' - Iouri Basiliev I am putting it in the quote collection in my blog here... credited to Iouri of course! Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-16 06:54:02) Probleme Raman, You won't play unless you have four. And I assume you notice, I never agreed to join, you, in fact, I join other players. Don Groves (2009-05-16 07:46:11) Stupidity? I recall no recent stupidity other than my own, Normajean. If I were to start pointing fingers at every human frailty that has shown itself in this forum, I'd be staring many fingertips. Normajean Yates (2009-05-16 08:27:37) now you'll make me cry.. Don, careful : now you'll make me cry.. Rodolfo d Ettorre (2009-05-16 09:36:30) Friedrich Schiller !!! Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. Normajean Yates (2009-05-16 09:51:00) quote #10 provided by rodolfo: goes into my blog... thanks! Garvin Gray (2009-05-16 17:46:08) Easy. There is an easy way to solve this. Start the tournament! Normajean Yates (2009-05-17 03:09:39) Don : point of etymology revisited! Don Groves posted and I agreed:'"The Arabic suffix "uddin" or "idin" means "of the faith." Hence a mujahidin is a "warrior of the faith," or a holy warrior.' Still havent gotten down to learning to use the oxford arabic-english dictionary, but: Don, I'm afraid your derivation won't do - you might still be right, but not for the reason you gave. You see, mujahideen is just the plural of 'mujahid', 'mujahid' = one who does 'jihad' [arabic and hebrew are both semitic languages: people who use the term 'anti-semite' often forget this (because of the nonscientific 'ham' and 'sam' myths thrown in - so like hebrew, arabic has this - root in the middle, and modification affects the root and possibly adds prefix and suffix.. i remember reading this in chomsky - linguistic paper not political) Khatoon (= lady; no religious overtone here); plural Khwateen = ladies Talib (=student); plural Taliban Mujahid (='jihad'-doer); plural Mujahideen So we are back to the question: Etymologically speaking, does 'jihad' just mean war, or does it mean holy war? (the current meaning is a different question..) On this point: until 2001 no one including me would see any problem in saying - such-and-such is a lone crusader for human rights (or for animal rights, or for the separation of church and state, or for whatever cause) - Bush-Cheney-Blair&co since ensured that the word 'crusade' became an avoidable word again.. Imagine reading the following sentence in 1999, and in 2009: "Richard Dawkins has launched a *crusade* against all religions in general, and against christianity in paricular." ;) Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-17 23:11:38) Complete teams ! The team tournament should start very soon, complete teams are : >> Yellow-Blue Warriors Iouri Basiliev Dmytro Romaniuk Ostap Hladky Yura Lemehov >> Happy Pawn Stephane Legrand 2209 Garvin Gray 2125 Daniel Parmet 1961 Ilmar Cirulis 1805 >> FSF En Passant Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270) Volker Koslowski (2264) Sebastian Boehme (2175) Roland Markus (2096) >> The Ghost Knights Vadim Khachaturov Yugi Inving Sophie Leclerc Jorge Orden >> The knights who say "Ni" Michael Aigner - 2602 Xavier Pichelin - 2577 Hannes Rada - 2559 Thibault de Vassal - 2473 >> The Dark Knights William Taylor - 2140 Scott Nichols - 2089 Don Groves - 1991 Josef Riha - 1989 Players without a team yet (one team is possible, with 3 more players, we could build one more) : 1. Ranganathan Raman 2. Alexander Blinchevsky 3. Stanimir Denchev 4. Benjamin Block 5. Murray Findlay Did I forget someone ? So we have 6 complete teams + 5 players without a team. We should be able to start the tournament in a few days ! :) Don Groves (2009-05-18 06:48:35) Friedrich Schiller "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." Very good, Rodolfo. It is said that two powerful forces battle for the fate of the world: (1) software writers who try to write idiot-proof software; and (2) the Universe, which keeps producing idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Benjamin Block (2009-05-18 15:14:20) Forgoted one. Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-07 00:59:45) Any one join team TEAM NAME:Our Team 1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648 2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396 3.Sophie Leclerc 4.Benjamin Block ------------------- 5.Vadim Khachaturov any one join each country 4 active members only It is 7 teams + 1 player without team. Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-18 15:23:59) Teams Hi Benjamin, if you read all posts in this thread by reverse chronological order, you'll see that Sophie and Vadim are in the "Ghost Knights" team. (am I wrong ?) Benjamin Block (2009-05-18 15:36:38) You´re right. i´m too lazy ;) to read all posts. Daniel Parmet (2009-05-19 00:12:40) one more player I believe Gramajo Francisco is also looking. Garvin Gray (2009-05-21 16:43:50) yawn yawn
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