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George Jempty (2025-11-26 13:19:19)
New Tie Break System
I still like my idea of using it based on performance rating FIRST, I don't see how it gives the lowest entrant an advantage if the tournament ends in a tie between all players.
But lets say two players tie, and one of them has a higher performance rating because they beat a stronger player than the other, that ALSO does not give an advantage to the lower rated player that I can see. Rather, that player must have beaten a higher rated player than the other in order to have a higher performance rating. So if the higher rated player beat a higher rated player rated player than the lower rated player did, the higher rated player would advance.
Perhaps Garvin can weigh in a little more specifically about how being lower rated gives an advantage. But, under his idea, my proposed order would be, 1) Number of wins, 2) performance rating, 3) Sonnen-berger, etc.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2024-08-17 10:18:34)
Russian flag replaced
I mean, if the west only calls out Russia, then Russia can successfully claim that the west is hypocritical.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-11-30 00:59:29)
I did not win a game since 3 years
Did anyone "calculate" what opening leads to the lowest rate of draws in engines tournaments? (or Stockfish vs. Stockfish)
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-20 18:35:27)
poker reflection time
Well, after some thinking and the help of another player who told me about that discussion, I have to add or specify several points:
- There is a "max time per move" rule (60 days)
- There is a "max accumulated time" rule (100 days: chess, 60 days: poker)
- The "max time per move" shouldn't be less than 45 days, because of the 45 days of vacation (or we should lower this number of days too).
- The "max accumulated time" can be 30 days while we have 45 days of vacation, there is no problem with that.
Nevertheless, it can be observed that players like me, who play about 1 move per day in each game, never reach the max accumulated time and keep the same rhythm all time long, so I'm afraid it will not change the game duration (sometimes about 1000 days) for us at least. And unfortunately, tournaments follow the rhythm of the slowest players.
Anyway, I'm ok to test that change and we'll look at the result after 1 year or so...
Juri Eintalu (2022-07-17 06:30:46)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
Interesting. Russian defence minister Shoigu ordered the Russian army to do everything possible to prevent Ukraine from shelling Donetsk and Luhansk republics.
The next day, Sergey Karyakin appeared in Donetsk's chess club. Karyakin gave a simultaneous chess exhibition in the Donetsk chess club.
Karyakin announces that under the shelling, he understood the following. It is unimportant to have expensive cars, but it is of the utmost importance to stay alive and to have good friends.
On the same day, in the evening, Russia started the heaviest attack on Marinka - the town west of Donetsk, from where Ukraine was shelling Donetsk.
Karyakin invites all chess players to visit Donetsk's wonderful chess club.
No comments.
Juri Eintalu (2022-05-10 10:32:44)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
The wars can be unique, but they are classified as "just/unjust" wars or "justified/unjustified" wars.
JUST WAR
Encyclopedia Britannica
https://www.britannica.com/topic/just-war
The West is of the opinion that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is an unjustified war.
Karjakin is of the opinion that it is justified war.
My arguments above assumed that if the Ukrainian war is unjustified, the Afghanistan and Iraq wars were even much more unjustified.
Juri Eintalu (2022-03-23 04:30:48)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
I am sure that not everyone can competently decide whether Ukrainian war is a justified war or not. My personal feeling is that this war is unjustified, however, I do not know all the facts and I have not read the Genova Convention and other such documents either. The case of the Iraq war is much easier to decide because know we do know there were no chemical weapons in Iraq. Also, Iraq posed no threat to the US whatsoever as the US is on the other side of the planet and Iraq did not have intercontinental missiles.
As for myself, I will never participate in any tournaments or events of FIDE after FIDE has chosen a side in the West/Russia controversy and has allowed to weaponized itself.
Herbert Kruse (2021-06-15 17:15:38)
What is the longest game of Big Chess?
Your own rules say:
"Big chess
Introduction
The object of the game is to checkmate the opponent. This occurs when no further move can prevent the king from being captured.
Rules are the same than in western chess, except castling is not possible"
Thibault de Vassal (2019-09-24 21:33:24)
World Championship Groups
This is specified in the WCH rules (2nd paragraph):
"The knockout tournament is played into 8 games matches. The special rule (avoiding short draws) is that in case of equality (4-4), the winner is the player with the strongest tournament entry rating if all games are draw, the player with the lowest tournament entry rating if not all games are draw. The winner is qualified for the next stage."
I hope it is clear enough, maybe I should rewrite it.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-09-24 00:15:43)
Some questions to H. Kruse, WCH finalist
After that the last FICGS chess WCH final match finished, the choice was made again to ask a few questions to Eros Riccio's challenger: Herbert Kruse, for the 2nd time. He kindly accepted to answer it so let's learn a bit more on our top-ranked correspondence chess player.
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Hello Herbert, you're not really a player to introduce as you're very active here and at several chess websites for years, with outstanding ratings in each one (as far as I know), you're the 1st FICGS CUP winner & several times FICGS WCH challenger, each time facing "the wall" Eros Riccio, what could you tell us about yourself particularly as a chess & correspondence chess player?
- i began late with 16 to play my first tournament game, but with 18 i already was kicked out of a night club in company with tony miles ;) (dresscode) had vlastimil hort as trainer for a short time and played in teams with gutman, michalchisin, klovans, gipslis and some other GMs. corr chess i began, because i love to find the truth and because of freestyle, where i began to build very strong computers
What kind of computers do you build? Is it all dedicated to chess?
- i have several dual xeon e5 computers with 64gb ddr3 and 16 to 20 real cores and they all play chess ;)
Once again, GM Eros Riccio managed to draw the 12 games of the match. What are your feelings on these games? How did you estimate your chances to destabilize your opponent in the openings and to create complications enough with White (or Black)?
- this time my feelings were neutral. 1% chances to win, but i hoped he would lose his concentration if i began more games with him (we played 6 other games at the same time)
Doesn't "1% chances to win (the match)" mean about 0.17% to win only one game with White, even when losing one with Black? Isn't it a bit pessimistic after all, or is it the new so called Riccio-effect? :)
- if the strongest players face each other there is no win possible, except some has a mouse slep or forgot something during human interfacing
When did you start playing correspondence chess and what changed since that time? What attracted you most in the game?
- 2004 and evaluation of the position is the key point of improvement since then. attractive was to be better than actual world class players :)
Could you tell us anything on the way you work chess and play your correspondence games? Any tip or secret? (nothing to lose to ask :))
- with black i play for fastest way to 0.00 and with white i try every promising way to make a game for a longer time complicated
Do you use several ones at the same time when analyzing a game? (still grabbing some tips)
- i only use the newest stockfish versions of brainfish and corchess because the other engines are not so good. because i have many games i decide which one gets the most cores and time and let them run in infinity mode until i am happy that can be after 1 week or more sometimes.
You're not far to rank 2nd as a poker player at FICGS, you obviously started to take on Big Chess as well. What other games do you play? Did you consider to play Go already?
- i played go against the german champion and lost so i quit :)) played backgammon money game and internet (in fibs with kit woolsey i played over 100 matches) in bridge i was best bidder in germany 1994 to 1995, but dont play much nowadays
Do you have specific goals to achieve as a player?
- 2 goals, since a long time: be ficgs world champion and win one german bridge championship
How do you imagine correspondence chess evolution within a decade? What kind of engines/computers do you expect to use and what will look like centaur chess according to you? (in other words, what part will remain to the human player in the decision?)
- i think the engines today are already unbeatable, so in 20 years the would still not lose and chess is dead since about 4 years
What did you think about Google Deepmind's Alpha Zero performance vs. Stockfish?
- it was a joke because they let a bad version of stockfish play. i would not have lost one game against az0 and maybe won 2 til 5 out of 100
Conditions of this AlphaZero vs. Stockfish match were very specific (opening books, unbalanced hardware...) What weaknesses did you detect in AlphaZero play?
- it was the lack of precision, what would let it lose against stockfish in its tuned newest version but i look from a view of a player who is used to play with deep 60 :)
It seems that computers did not completely take on Bridge yet, what do you expect within a decade?
- i have not seen bridge programms, but the game is so easy that it must be already mastered by computers
Thibault de Vassal (2017-04-23 15:11:50)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Pablo said it all...
Thanks for these advices Peter! To be more accurate, we may discuss the full lines added to the opening names from now... One move can change everything :)
I'm particularly interested in important King's gambit lines for this first edition. The maddest, shortest, non-linear line from engines point of view but still theorical may be the best :-) (yes, not so easy to find) Maybe one with the queen to be trapped, that produced numerous incredible games...
Pablo Schmid (2017-04-23 14:27:11)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Yes I have proposed it in the forum as one of the interesting line!
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-04-23 14:19:14)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
The Frankenstein-Dracula, then. :)
Pablo Schmid (2017-04-23 14:10:27)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
1.g4 is ugly and not theoretically important. An interesting but quite rare in practice but important theoretically would be preferable in my opinion.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-04-23 13:52:47)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
What about 1.g4? (At the moment I believe that white loses.)
Peter W. Anderson (2017-04-19 08:46:20)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
One possibility would be to take a selection of openings from the last TCEC final. These were deliberately unbalanced to reduce the drawing chances. They were a superb set of openings. To make it fair people would have to play both sides of an opening.
I could also provide you with some hard to hold positions from the modern defence (I won't be playing, so there will no unfair advantage).
Re the previous suggestions:
- benoni with early Bf4 is a good choice
- czech benoni is definitely overscored by engines but will be a tough hold nonethless; I would watch these games with interest
- Hennig Schara is great fun and I have never lost with it on FICGS, but it really is awful if white plays the best line (but I am not going to say what that is!).
- KID would depend on which line was chosen; some lines have been analysed almost to death, others have plenty of scope left.
One other possibility - a Breyer Lopez. Quite a tough hold IMO and therefore a good choice if everyone plays both sides.
Pablo Schmid (2017-02-04 12:48:35)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
The Frankenstein-Dracula Variation in the Vienna game :)
Scott Nichols (2017-01-23 17:11:33)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Kruse's line also good for me...
Pablo Schmid (2017-01-22 20:29:46)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
King's gambit accepted. Probably most of White's gambit too, Schara-Hennig gambit as Black.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-22 18:46:13)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
This Benoni is probably an interesting choice. After all, maybe we can change from time to time... Maybe even that the thematic should remain a secret before the tournament starts ^^ But it may be less "prestigious" than King's gambit.
Herbert Kruse (2017-01-22 18:18:32)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Czech Benoni is long and not drawish
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4
Guillermo Munoz Portugal (2017-01-21 23:01:56)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
King´s Indian, The Russian Line of above, King Gambit. King Gambit gets my vote.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-01-21 14:55:42)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
+1 for King Gambit
(it's time to analyze it to the end :P)
Scott Nichols (2017-01-21 14:55:01)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
King's Gambit gets my vote, :)
Jan Ohlin (2017-01-21 07:41:13)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Gaw Paw-variation 1.e4 c5 2.Sf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Sxd4 Sf6 5.Sc3 Db6.
1.e4 g6 2.d4 Nf6 3.e5 Nh5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Defense,_North_Sea_Variation
Roger Llull (2017-01-21 06:23:47)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
This Russian line:
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nxe4 4.Nc3 Nxc3 5.dxc3 f6 6.Nh4 g6 7.f4 Qe7 8.f5 c6
It's incredibly sharp. I'd tell my experience with it, and what makes it so unique, but I don't wanna give hints on how to play it, in case it's selected. Suffice it to say that engines do get it wrong.
Jan Ohlin (2017-01-20 19:46:00)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Benoni without 7.f4, Kingsindian (especially variations where both players attacking on different wings (computers are not so good at calculating when all pieces are behind pawns), Spanish with d5 closing center. 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 3.b4 and 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 e6 5.g3
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-20 17:31:22)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Poll! :)
According to you, what are the most interesting chess thematics that are the less drawish (with the lowest chances of draw)...
Of course, this is in the idea of a possible future championship that would keep the historical part of chess & chess openings (chess 960 is another game IMO). But this is only an option for now.
As for me, I'll start with King's gambit, that is not only chess, but (IMHO) the most romantic & beautiful part of chess...
Your opinion?
Thibault de Vassal (2016-01-27 00:38:13)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Ok, I agree with that.
Here is a first try for FICGS cup rules:
"FICGS world cup championship is a multi stages tournament. All players who entered the waiting list are involved in single round-robin tournaments (2 stages or more will probably be necessary). All games during the whole cycle are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Stockfish, Houdini, Rybka...) is allowed and encouraged in cup tournaments. Norms are possible according to FICGS general rules.
Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5 to 33 players (most probably 7 to 13). The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with most wins (and if necessary the player with the lowest tournament entry rating, then the lowest current rating) among the best scores, is declared winner and qualified for the next stage if any. Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. There will be no replacements in these tournaments.
In the case of a withdrawal, the games won't be rated if a player warns the referee before the tournament starts and at most 15 days after a new stage started but the first one."
Anything to add?
Stephane Legrand (2016-01-20 22:27:45)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Ok. So, nether the lowest TER as you said ?
Stephane Legrand (2016-01-14 15:21:36)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
In fact, thibault answers in forum :
Rules are rules Pablo, if the 8 games are draw... then the lowest TER is qualified
so I answer that I read in rules that it was the highest only to know what it is really.
Only that.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2013-10-22 23:42:15)
Kievan Rus
Very likely? Yeah, to "democratic" and "objective" Western historians who re-write and falsify everything. :) I wish the above link was in English...
It's the eternal struggle of the "sea civilization" with "land civilization" (Mackinder's Heartland Theory).
"Moscow and Peter's town, the city of Constantine, these are the cherished capitals of the Russian monarchy. But where is their limit? And where are their frontiers to the north, the east, the south and the setting sun? The Fates will reveal them to future generations. Seven internal seas and seven great rivers from the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to China, from the Volga to the Euphrates, the Ganges to the Danube. This is the Russian empire and it will never pass away, just as the Spirit foretold and Daniel prophesied." - Fedor Tyuchev 1848
Peter W. Anderson (2013-10-13 13:37:38)
Communism
And when the right leader dies or is plotted against?
The problem is that you are left with a structure that is horribly open to abuse and history has shown that the abuse happens, e.g. under Lenin is was about OK, under Stalin it was a nightmare.
The ideals behind communism are good and all the problems pointed out with capitalism in Das Kapital are fair and as valid today as when it was written. Its just that in practice communism hasn't worked and I doubt it ever will.
Nonethless, Das Kapital is an excellent read for anyone with an even vaguely open mind and does show that we need a diffrent direction than we have today in the west.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-22 17:47:37)
This is Russia :(
Oil prices and production amounts alone mean nothing. Every oil producer has the same oil price at a given time. The real question is how much revenue the state's budget received. In 1990s, Russian offshore oil companies practically didn't contribute to it.
Example: Oligarchs register their companies somewhere in the offshore zone (say, the Caiman Islands). They sell produced oil to themselves not at the world price of $50 but at $25. The prime cost is, say, $24. So their revenue is $1, whose tax is paid to the state's budget. Then the offshore company sells the oil to the West at the real price. Hence, the state's budget is empty.
To change this, it sufficed to jail one oligarch - Khodorkovsky. :) The West's politicized outrage (more like hysteria) has nothing to do with freedom or free markets but with the interrupted "honey collection".
Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-21 06:13:22)
This is Russia :(
Vadim, you say the authorities reacted in a very awkward way? What would be a proper way to handle similar offenses? If you want to protest, get a permit and do so in a peaceful way like it's done in the West. Why double standards?
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-21 06:04:19)
This is Russia :(
Vadim, oil prices fluctuated over years. Up and down. The real question is how much revenue the Russian budget received (hence, how good the lifestyle is). In the 1990s, almost none as oligarchs reaped most in their offshores and deposited their "earnings" in Western banks.
"This honey collection is the best-guarded secret of capitalist superiority."
Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm
That changed after the nationalization (either directly or oligarchs became socially responsible) happened after 2000.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-19 23:04:16)
This is Russia :(
Vadim, you're right - "Pussy Riot" is a purely political case. But what are its roots?
The real reason why the Western media outlets have been so keen on covering the "Pussy Riot" trial has nothing to do with "free speech."
"Pussy Riot" and Kasparov are not victims. They are US State Department-backed instruments of corporate-financier hegemony, used as leverage against a Russian government standing in the way of Wall Street and London's order of international corporatocracy.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32395
Rolf Staggat (2012-08-18 17:56:35)
This is Russia :(
No sad day for me.....
This man still thinks, he is the most important person in the world.
He only went to "Pussy Riot", because he wants to be seen on TV. He hates people like the Pussies, but he thinks it is good for HIM to provocate in front of the cameras of west-medias.
He does not know, what is reality. So now some policemen have to show him, what is real. No average intelligent person would try to find that out.
He never will be president of Russia, to be against Putin does not mean to be for Kasparov.
Kasparov only thinks in "white" or "black", but there are many more colours in real life.
By the way, the Pussies would never be known outside Russia with the noise that they call music. Now they have the time to learn.
2014 number 1 in all charts:
"Pussy Riot featuring Grandmaster Garry" the new super-group with their new song "Who is the greatest idiot"
I more prefer Grandmaster Flash.....He knows about real life.
Goran Guichsen (2012-04-29 11:08:29)
Slow tournament entries
Wouldn't it speed up entries if you could start playing as soon as there are two entries in a group? Then you know that you could start play almost at once. Now it could take quite some time before you may start playing because you have to wait until the group is complete.
It could also support speeding up finishing the group unless the slowest player is the last to enter (in case it will be the same as now).
Does it have to be exactly the same rules for low resp high rated players? Guess that lower rated players are not so concerned about the rating (as higher rated players are) but to play. To prohibit to have too many games going could also stimulate to end lost/draw games quicker.
Garvin Gray (2011-03-10 02:46:05)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
I think I understand the changes Daniel, so lets see how this goes.
The top eight rated players who have to nominate to play in this section participate in knockout matches (that is still the same).
Stage 1.
All players rated above 2150+ are placed in their own round robin groups, these groups are called Group M and Group N.
For players in the M group, the top two point scorers progress through to the round robin final.
The lowest point scorer from these groups is eliminated.
Those who finish from 3rd to second last just move to stage 2.
For players in the N group, only the winner qualifies for the round robin final and at most half the players from this group will qualify for stage 2, the others are eliminated.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-10 02:45:04)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
I'm not clear enough, as too often :/
Let's say that there are 33 players over 2150 in the waiting list. 8 will play the knockout, 7 (over 2300) will play the M group and 18 will play in two N groups of 9 players. From the M group, 2 will qualify for the round-robin final (round 3), and 4 will play round 2. From the N groups, 1 from each one will qualify for the round-robin final (round 3), and 4 from each one will play round 2. So from these 33 players, 12 will play in the round-robin groups stage 2.
Maybe this formulation (that should be included into the wch rules) will be clearer:
"Players with a rating superior or equal to 2300 will play 1st stage in class M groups if possible. From these groups the two players obtaining the best score will qualify for the round-robin final stage 3, the player obtaining the lowest score will be eliminated, the others will play stage 2.
Other players with a rating superior or equal to 2150 will play 1st stage in class N groups if possible. From these groups the winner will qualify for the round-robin final, at most half the players from these groups will qualify for round 2."
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-09 20:28:47)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Okay, after another long thinking on the different effects of the possible changes, I think that we should try in a first time the following (something between proposals 2 & 4 plus minor improvements):
"All 2150+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) will play M & N class groups at stage 1. The two players with the highest scores (or TER in case of equality) of the M group will qualify for the round-robin final, while the player with the lowest score (or TER in case of equality) will be eliminated, the others will qualify for stage 2. The winner of the N group will qualify for the round-robin final and at most half the players in the group will qualify for stage 2, the others will be eliminated.
Also the new members declaring to use a chess engine when registering will get a provisional rating of 2000."
Let's see the effects during the next cycle, if things are not ok we'll reconsider the idea to prevent the provisionals to enter the wch waiting list. I don't like complex rules but I like the idea of "progressive" rules. Any argument in another way is always welcome.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-28 04:38:07)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Thib I feel for you :) Making a good tournament format is very hard. I know I pulled teeth to try and make my format. I had to do two things for my. 1.Make few games as possible and 2.Make it a reasonable time table for a blitz world championship. I believe Garvin did a great job with this in the parings. Lucky we didn't have a lot of unrated players. So Thib I would like to help, but can I ask a favor to you. Is it possible to get a breakdown of the ratings of the players for the last Wch? I think this would be helpful to maybe coming up with a solution. So maybe like..
What was the number of.
2300's+
2200's
2100's
2000's
1900's
1800's
below 1800's
provisional's
I know this maybe some work, but this breakdown can give us a picture of what you have. Personally speaking I think Garvin's idea is decent. Were you can put the highest advance provisional player in the lower stage round 2 bracket and the same for the lowest provisional player to go to the higher round 2 bracket, by performance of stage 1. I guess when you talk about statistical merits for your Wch tournament. You are trying to get the lowest error rate, but get the best value to it.
Don Groves (2011-01-24 03:42:49)
How to play in here..
You can play in the lowest rating group. For example, Class F in Chess is for players rated below 1200.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-13 23:14:40)
Chess positions too complex for engines
This topic may last a while but it could be interesting after all.
Why not trying to gather (and discuss) as many chess positions as possible that computers are still unable to solve with the best engines even working during days... It may help us to detect more weak points in the most recent engines.
Okay, I start with these ones:
Schuster-de Vassal : 1-0
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=36895&move=96
Peter played very well in this one but as far as I can remember this position was an easy draw... The plan was to keep the rook on the e column and White cannot progress. I knew that but at this moment, I had to play this move quickly and I made a stupid mistake: I trusted the engine... Rb8+?? 1-0 .. my comp was really a prehistoric one there but I wouldn't be surprised if the recent ones were still not able to avoid to play this Rb8+
The next position is less interesting but quite funny, and it looks like that the newest engines STILL do not understand it... Actually it shows +5.00 or even more while it is an EASY draw for any human player...
Utesch-de Vassal : 1/2-1/2
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=11345
Amazing, what do you think? :)
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-08 01:20:40)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
Its interesting. When I talked to Wayne about playing in this tournament. He said he could play if it was faster controls and the game count was low. I manage to do both. It seems he has played at this time control before.
To me the player with the lowest draw rate will win. And with the format winning with white will be a premium. Of course a long with Wayne. There are some dark horses to. With the elements of both Advance chess and CC play. David Evans and of course Ruben will both have to get some consideration.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-03 17:51:57)
Newest/oldest posts first
Hi Garvin, is it better with the "last post" link? ;)
Gino Figlio (2010-11-03 00:33:36)
Newest/oldest posts first
Top posting is not better than the current setup. You need to set a maximum # of posts per page and then links at the top for each page. That way you will never scroll down.
Garvin Gray (2010-11-02 23:50:43)
Newest/oldest posts first
How is the concept of top posting going? We are now at over 100 posts in the rybka tourney thread and it is getting tedious having to scroll down all the time, just to read the last few posts.
If there was top posting, then the latest posts that I want to see would be visible first.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-27 17:08:50)
Newest/oldest posts first
Thinking about it, actually I should change many things in this forum (e.g. response form at the bottom for the way messages are displayed right now...) I'm not sure if top posting is best but an option would do it of course, I'll do it as soon as possible (not so urgent anyway).
Daniel Parmet (2010-08-27 09:43:22)
Newest/oldest posts first
whats wrong with having the option? Then people can have whichever way they prefer it.
Garvin Gray (2010-08-26 16:32:41)
Newest/oldest posts first
hmm?
Wayne Lowrance (2010-08-22 19:35:47)
Newest/oldest posts first
OK, I understand you
Wayne
Don Groves (2010-08-21 04:29:33)
Newest/oldest posts first
Wayne: You have the title and the previous post right there. Only if you're interested in the entire thread do you have to scroll, and you still have to do that the way it is now.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-08-21 03:52:15)
Newest/oldest posts first
On the other hand if you have not visited a post your gonna have to scroll all of the way to the bottom to find out what its all about. The way it is now is the normal way, I prefer it
wayne
Don Groves (2010-08-19 04:58:05)
Newest/oldest posts first
I'll second that too. It's called top posting. Much easier to read if one has been keeping up with the thread.
Alexander Blinchevsky (2010-08-18 19:07:10)
Newest/oldest posts first
Agreed with Garvin. Now, then you enter the long discussion, you already red, you need to scroll down in order to find "what's new".
Reverse order will be much more user friendly.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-18 18:29:28)
Newest/oldest posts first
So an option to display the forum posts in a reversed way ?!
Not so usual (?), it seems to me that posts are displayed this way only under the response form to keep an eye on the message we're to reply to.
Garvin Gray (2010-08-18 18:07:05)
Newest/oldest posts first
What I mean is. Take this particular thread/topic. As I see it, my original post is the first post I see, then your reply is under it and now my reply (this post) will be under that.
It would be nice to have the option so that the newest posts appear first at the top of the page for that particular topic.
To use another example. With the current poker discussion, for a person to see the latest posts, they are required to scroll down, most likely past posts they have already read to get to the new posts.
It would be good to have the option in preferences to be able to see the newest posts first.
Do you understand what I am referring to now?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-18 17:37:52)
Newest/oldest posts first
You mean something like the last message at the bottom of the forum page? I may display several (5, 10) messages instead of 1 only, would it be enough?
Garvin Gray (2010-08-18 17:21:58)
Newest/oldest posts first
In forum, I would like to have the option to be able to see the newer posts at the top of each topic, rather than having to scroll down through 50 older posts to get to the most recent postings.
There does not seem to be a feature to show new posts first.
Please add :)
Arno Bezemer (2010-05-20 14:57:17)
Late resignation
Normally I don't mind to play out a winning position, but my opponent in game 32535 keeps on playing for ever, with just a pawn vs my rook and 2 pawns. On the lowest level i can maybe understand this but not in a class M 2200+ tournament. Is there anything i can do about it?
Garvin Gray (2009-11-02 13:39:26)
new tournaments
When is the next world championship starting? Both the newest version and round two's from the previous event.
Michel van der Kemp (2009-09-19 08:58:08)
ICCF uses no rating bands
Maybe this was the reason ICCF has qualification tournaments to get into higher tiers. You win a tournament and are qualified to play in a higher tier, regardless your rating. Of course that also means new players will always start in the lowest tier and getting to a tier that suits them is a long long road.
I don't know how hard it is to implement this, but it would solve the rating issues.
Benjamin Block (2009-09-17 19:41:23)
Quick corr. chess
The only swedish site where you can play corr. chess have some very smal times the lowest is 7 days for whole game (no increment). But it is very smal and only person that don´t have a job or don´t go to school can fix it. It is also a contest about how can make the last move on the night?
Garvin Gray (2009-09-17 04:32:42)
I call it reality :)
and the reality was that only players just above the lowest rating cutoff were entering the tournaments.
In a 400 point rating gap, incredibly rarely did a player from the top end of the range enter one of those tournaments.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-03-29 14:14:21)
Wayne Lowrance
>By the way, Thibault if you want to increase participation, open up some faster tournament bases.
imho 1 day/move, 2 day/move or 3 day/move - these time conntrols more demanding for players.
and I'd like to suggest one more idea - so call ladder tournaments (well, this may be too complicated to develop corresponding soft - but this is just a suggestion). so the essence of such tournament is that we have "ladder" classes H (lowest), G, F, ... and A - the highest one. In the beginning all players belong to H class. And there are open 5/7/9-player tournaments starting in each class - they are just waiting until filled and then open again. each tournament is all-play-all 1 game with fast (1 d/m 2d/m 3d/m) control. When tournament is finnished the winner (or several winners in case of a tier) is promoted one class up. Similarly, the player (players) occupying the last position is demoted one class down (except for H classers). So winning the tournaments is actually a "climbing" the ladder.
this scheme was used in igame.ru and was pretty popular among players. i suggested this scheme to chess-online.ru - unfortunately they were pretty hesitant as to realization (maybe due to soft development complexity?)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-10 18:06:40)
Time span of ratings
Actually ratings (correspondence chess ones) are calculated based upon the previous ratings and games played the last 2 months only. In your example it may take 8 or 16 months "only" for the lowest rated to catch the other player in a tournament. Moreover, ratings at FICGS move faster than in other organizations in order to find the good category quickly. So I think that's not a real problem here.
As an example, it took not so long (one year) for Wayne to reach 2113 from 1400 ! That's quite short in correspondence chess.
More details about rating calculation :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess
Normajean Yates (2008-12-15 03:40:42)
another suggestion
The slowest time controls on offer are too fast for some people.
Could there be a separate category - say 80 days/10 moves, 80 days fischer-increment after each 10-move block; up to 200 days accumulation-ceiling?
Don Groves (2008-12-11 05:07:34)
Poker and chess GMs
Hi, Scott -- I'll wager the lowest ranked GMs are better at poker than the best poker players are at chess ;-)
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-30 00:18:12)
Iouri Basiliev
"If you so lazy to learn Ukrainian or you hate Ukraine, why you are living there? " I, my mother (Ukrainian) and my relatives lived here, live and will be living - whatever aliens like you want/like/dislike! "Go to Siberia or Chechen and hate Ukraine from there. You, probably, gifted by russian TV :) " who you think you are to issue orders to me here in Ukraine? relax! live where you a$$ find warm place - in Europe and don't make stupid orders and advices to us Ukrainians. you are - the last person we will be listetning to. you didn't find your place in Ukraine or Russia - so go away to your western "friends".
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-30 00:08:25)
Iouri Basiliev
"<<you think it is good to use communist methods - making LESS than 10% of russian language schools>> where i sad this?" you just became bold enough to order me what to do: "Nowadays the situation is opposite. If you living in Ukraine, spend some time to learn ukrainian if you are able" and this is actuall means that you are considering that this is right (and good of course). so stop making a fool of you and just read what you are saying. I live in Central Ukraine where Russian speaking people are minority - so I don't say that Russian should be introduced here. But in East and South and 100% in Crimea Russian WILL BE introduced by people - whatever you(foreigner/traitor/ agent of western influence) want/order/dislike.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-09-28 21:24:57)
Denis Ivanchenkov
Western "dermocrats" would be nice expression for a 12 years old idiot. Sorry. End of discussion.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-28 17:38:13)
Alexis Bromo
"Many of my friends in eastern and southern regions have serious problems with communication." this IS what our western "friends" (like Iouri Basiliev) actually want to have in Ukraine.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-28 17:30:23)
Iouri Basiliev
"I would accept any language by voting majority". For you to know that majority of people in Crimea are Russian speaking people. "It could be tatarian in Crimea in 10 years from now" It'l happen not until Turkish language became second official language in German. Again "I would accept any language by voting majority". Western "dermocrats" and their supporters here in Ukraine showed very clear that they "accept" only those views of "voting majority" that correspond to their own interests. and this is you and others like you to blame that word "democracy" (not so bad concept actually) turned into CURSE here in Ukraine and in Russia.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-25 23:13:44)
Alexis
What you are actually doing - is just trying to convert Ficgs.com into Igame.ru :)) I'd recommend you to register on chess-online.ru - they have vibrant russian forum. The palpable difference between westerners and russians - is in absence of desire to communicate a lot (and most time to chatter about nothing :)). Just look at Ficgs forum - visitors are pretty rare and usually they pretty brief and discuss only chess/site related issues.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-17 14:14:25)
New idea
BTW it may be possible in the future to choose exactly how many E-Points to play but (thinking like a lawyer, Normajean ;)) french laws are still quite hard and fuzzy. There's a difference between entering a tournament with an entry fee & money prize and betting money on a game.
To choose how many games before to decide the result may be possible but there's some work yet... About the lowest and highest rating, I may add this option in a few weeks. Finally about time control, I may add it but is it a good and necessary thing ? I'm not sure.
Thanks for discussing new ideas anyway :)
Benjamin Block (2008-07-16 14:32:33)
New idea
i have think about this a long time but now i think it is time to write it down.
What do you think about make you´re own money price tournament. First you choose e-points fee 10 or 100. Then you choose how many games you want. Of course the site need to have limit so nobody take 100 games. And you choose the highest and lowest rating you want here the site need to take a limit. And the last thing you choose the time control. Here it will be fun if we can take more time control example 30/10 days,50/10 days and 60/10 days.
What do you think?
Jason Repa (2008-05-12 23:25:56)
Rating changes
It's amusing to witness the hypocrisy of someone who is perpetually provoking, ridiculing, and abusing to speak of there being no place for such offenses. And anyone who resorts to posting links to random, off-topic internet conversations from half a decade ago that have no relevance to the thread they are posting in, in order to try to get revenge for losing a chess game to the thread starter, is the lowest form of troll. I don't doubt that Thibault is aware of the intent of such an element, or the numerous and sundry ways they continue to try to provoke. In the end, we have to look at the results on the chess board. The fair medium for settling disputes. After all, that's why we're here in the first place (no offense GO players)....to play chess. In this arena, I have soundly defeated my opposition.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-09 05:42:09)
4th FICGS chess championship
The 4th FICGS chess championship just started, it is now much easier to find tournaments (quarter finals, stage 2...) in the Tournaments page.
Quarter finals this time are :
1 - Harry Ingersol vs. Mark Noble
2 - Hannes Rada vs. Farit Balabaev
3 - Eros Riccio vs. Marius Zubac
4 - Peter Schuster vs. Thibault de Vassal
As a reminder, in case of equality the highest TER in each match qualifies if all games are drawn, the lowest TER qualifies if not all games are drawn.
The next stages of the previous championships will start as soon as possible...
Have good games !
Mladen Jankovic (2007-09-10 01:54:09)
Confessions of a Magic 8 Ball ;)
Well, first off I started with the provisional rating of 1200, then I signed up for a bunch of tournaments and started playing 60+ games. Next, add irregular Internet access with no conditions to perform any reasonable analysis of games in progress and the pressing requirement to answer 40 moves in one go, only to go trough the same at the next soonest opportunity.
I "solved" the problem by not playing and forgetting about the server for about a month (needed that). For that reason I lost more than 250 points (254 to be exact).
Needless to say, the recovery of my rating to any decent level is slow, as, in the meantime I have gone trough periods when I played little chess here, or even none, with games in progress.
Your speculated reasons for my supposed intrusion here (it might be argued that your first post here is the real intrusion) are just plain wrong.
I also don't find ELO ratings to be a valid measure of a man. The real reason I "intrude" in the matter is that I like the general atmosphere here. I am also quiet aware that I am probably the lowest rated poster here, but, before few minutes ago, I was not aware of your rating (good job, while we're on the subject) or Garvin's, for that matter.
Garvin Gray (2007-07-17 09:52:11)
Game sorting
Currently on the game page, the order of the games is shown from oldest created game to newest created game.
I would like the ability to show the games in terms of least amount of days till time out, where the game with the shortest number of days till time out is at the top of the list.
It would be even better if there was a way to show only the games where it is your turn to move.
Vadim Khachaturov (2007-06-28 22:44:14)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Dan, Your opponent uses nickname filler on IGAME.RU. His rating is 2241. One of the lowest in their team.Here is his stats : win 18 draw 8 lost 1.
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-24 07:12:04)
Hello, chess friends!
Yeah, I've read the polemics, but don't feel like doing that, coz whatever I say would be misinterpreted by Serge & Co. Lol! I've got nothing to do with IGAME now. I've left it forever and explained the reasons behind my move on the IGAME forum. Thibault, I do respect your decision that only western-based FICGS players join your team for the match. I thaink, that is quite right to do in the current situation. Cheers, Alex
Sergey Pligin (2007-06-23 19:18:53)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Dear chessfriends! My name is Sergey Pligin and I am the co-organizer of this match, representing igame.ru. Originally this match was planned as a friendly rivalry of 2 servers which are igame and FIGCS. The 1st one is Russian, the 2nd one is western. The main idea was to make new foreign friends. This match caused a big avalanche of interest at our server. Unfortunately, not each player can play this match for the teams consist of 25 players only. Some players of igame who are not in have decided to play for your team. I don’t know their motives, but it is their right to play for any team they are willing to play for. Their honest play is the main item to be discussed. On the other hand, several permanent players of the FIGCS have lost an opportunity to participate in this match, as, for instance, was pointed out by Mr. Garvin Gray. I sincerely wish to organize this friendly match with no misunderstanding and beg you to pay attention to Russian players whom you’d like to be in your team.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-22 17:36:50)
Russian players or not in FICGS team ?
Well, that's very hard to decide. Actually at a first sight I agree with Garvin too, the real fun and the sense of such a match is players from western countries meeting russian players IMO, but no "rule" forbid it.
Whatever the decision, there will be deceived players :/ .. My suggestion is that all russian players who just registered at FICGS should play with IGAME.RU team but it's up to Sergey (for Igame.ru team). I'd like more opinions about this issue, also from Sergey Pligin, who organizes the match for Igame.ru
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-20 22:54:33)
Internet chess
Well, the discussion with Tryfon Gavriel continues at TCCMB. As I had to explain the way I make FICGS, I copy my responses here :
http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=109.15
Hello again Tryfon !
That's a very interesting discussion...
Actually I have to explain FICGS in its whole to respond :) .. To be continued for sure..
While registering a new member wrote to me a few months ago "Thanks for creating this ultimate chess challenge" or so... That's exactly what I try to do, mostly with the FICGS championship knockout & round-robin rules... Players just want challenge, that's the only assumption I start with, so I try to create interesting challenges. About the intellectual part, you're right but I'm quite sure that top level correspondence chess players still consider their game as an intellectual challenge, much more than a brute force or computer skills one. That's not the case for Advanced chess with fast time controls.
Let's take a look at the bicycle races again... The "Tour de France" is dying IMO.. because everyone understood we "don't know" if the champion is ok.. If doping was allowed (it would be a scandal for health of course), I'm sure the interest would raise again ! I think it is the same for chess & for everything else... The "Tour de France" syndrom happened in Elista with the match Kramnik vs. Topalov... It will have consequences. We need champions and we want true champions, every means are ok for this ! .. So the "engines allowed" rule is the only one possible or reasonable in my opinion.
Of course, chess & correspondence chess are changing, because these "walls" are nearer & nearer... maybe chess will die, maybe not.. The main problem is that in 1997, a super computer became World Champion... this year a "simple" computer Deep Fritz became world champion, soon Rybka on a cellular phone... :) Who is really interested to be a champion in "human category" ? FIDE world chess championship will continue to progressively lose its interest IMO...
Correspondence chess is just starting to grow in popularity and is told to be dying already. Surely correspondence chess will ask more & more time at a high level to win a few points, but it is possible to create more challenge by ie. changing the rating rules (the "design" of Elo rating system will become a problem).. Then, if it is not enough, we'll look for other challenges... It's told for years that Go (Weiqi) will replace chess in western countries... why not Big chess as the "brain only" game if there can't be doping in it.. just trying, as there's no other solution :)
A word about Poker of course, as it's probably the fastest growing game in popularity : IMO this game is at a stade like chess in year 1900, but the same problem will happen, even quicker. At a high level the game will be just more and more boring (if you wish to win real money) or chancy (in a wch tournament), or you'll have to always find weak players (well, not very challenging).
About the simultaneous exhibition against Alekhine or Capablanca, I'm not sure at all they would crush everyone at our chess servers, they are undoubtly more talented than all of us, but I feel it wouldn't be enough in all cases to win against correspondence chess style of play & knowledge accumulated for 50 years... A few players rated OTB 2000-2200 could draw against them IMO...
At last, yes I'm a fan of Sun Tzu's "The art of war" :) .. I strongly believe that correspondence chess will not die in the next few years because players will follow its principles more and more, as the only way to win ! .. Big chess follows the same principles... and Go is the most challenging game because of it too !
Tryfon, I'm not sure that we're opposite in our vision of chess ! .. Our servers have obviousy different goals, nothing more.. I do enjoy playing mad blitz games without chess engines... I just believe that the future of internet chess is "serious (engines allowed, rated) correspondence chess" on one hand and "human chess for fun (no engines, unrated)" on the other hand... The other ways look like nonsense to me.
I hope it responds.
Best wishes, Thibault
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-14 22:45:22)
Figlio - Schuster
Have a look into the WCH tournament rules: "The knockout tournament is played into 8 games matches. The special rule (avoiding short draws) is that in case of equality (4-4), the winner is the player with the strongest tournament entry rating if all games are draw, the player with the lowest tournament entry rating if not all games are draw. The winner is qualified for the next stage." Any questions?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-30 22:34:37)
WCH rules
Thanks Sandor & Wolfgang for sharing your views.
As you said, there's no perfect rule for everyone, particularly in a correspondence chess championship, where time is a predominant factor. As for me, I like much FICGS rules so far because of these major points :
1) The best players have the best chances.
2) A new cycle can start every 6 months.
3) There's no external influence in a knockout tournament.
I think the lowest rated player has to prove he's stronger than the highest rated player or champion, so it's coherent in round-robin and knockout tournaments. I particularly like the special rule in the knockout tournament (stage 1, 2 & 3). I'm now playing an exciting quarter final against Wolfgang, that I'm to lose because of this rule - the winner is the player with the strongest TER is all games are draw, the player with the lowest TER if not all games are draw - even if it finishes with a 4-4 score. Simply because I'll lose most probably at least one game. I think it's fair ! .. I knew the rule (of course, I made it :)), I knew I had to draw all games or to win by one point at least. Rules are the game ! .. It's not more unfair than to draw a game with one or two pawns more ;)
However I agree that WCH round-robin tournaments should be 9, 11 or 13 players groups to give more place to chess. I'll take care of this in the next cycle.
Finally, not only rules are to be taken in consideration... To attract players, there must be a real challenge ! .. To take the title to the champion will be really hard for sure :)
Lionel Vidal (2007-01-21 17:49:41)
Go and Chess
About your point number 3... A chess world champion could very well note its moves before playing and yet be mated in one move :-)
In Go pro-matches, the moves are usually recorded during play by another (younger :-) pro, who has also to deal with time keeping: it makes sense not to disturb gods at play by basic housekeepings :-). I remember an article on the WEB counting the numbers of obvious blunders in go pro-games, and it was *very* low compared to chess.
Concerning your point 2, it is not quite true AFAIK: most top pros run a school of younger pros or wanabe pros who play and analyse numerous games on the Master supervision (He does rarely play with students and then it is a great honour!). So a master does not not really analyse alone, but discuss many ideas with others.
Concerning your point 4, I think that increasing the number of games would change the playing calendar too much and a pro cannot play many more games by year without consequences on his results... even at my very low level, I find a go game *much* more tiring than a chess one (here I mean a face to face game, not correspondence or server go... something I still don't manage to get used to :-)
BTW, I also find that recovering from a loss in go is much more difficult (again I mean face to face Go) than in chess: maybe because of a higher involment, maybe it is just me. What do others players think?
Another point is that a pro is paid by the federation (a fixed amount depending on its rank, not linked with his gains in tournaments that are much more important), and have to give some services to the community: lessons, conferences, teaching games... and so on... and this is more true for the lowest ranked pros!
Don Groves (2006-11-29 08:18:21)
"Next" request
The new next function still can be irritating when the game with the newest move is the one you want to skip until the end. Next takes me back to that game each time. Is it not possible to cycle through the list of games presented when one logs on? As new games become available, they can be added to the end of this list, not the beginning. In fact, a "Next Game" button beneath the board would be a nice feature, making it easy to skip over games needing more thought.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-24 13:03:25)
Future of correspondence chess......
That's a fine analysis, Glen.
However, it's legitimate to consider that chess at a higher level is becoming much harder so that some of the very best players may stop their career, thinking that it's no worth the energy anymore, for results more influenced by 'chance' in statistics...
How many "super-grandmasters" (2700+) said that each point over this mark represents more and more work ?
It's probably the same (and more) in correspondence chess. I do think that it's still possible to improve a lot ! .. but there's a lack of a higher class of players. That's a pity the very best correspondence chess players (ie. former ICCF world champions : Joop van Oosterom, Gert Jan Timmerman...) retire or at least don't defend their title since they achieved it. Of course it's a lot of time, but result is the top class appear to be bigger and there's no clear champion. That's not good IMO to popularize correspondence chess.
All games need champions. I read recently on a Go forum that the success of Chess nowadays was due to his champions (Go is not popular yet in the west because there's noone to represent it, except a manga [Hikaru No Go]..), Garry Kasparov, Bobby Fischer... That's true IMO, and that's what particularly misses to correspondence chess. Maybe things won't change in ICCF (maybe I should pretend to the board :)), but anyway that's why I chose the knockout system for the FICGS world chess championship, and the possibility for the winner to play a final against a challenger. We'll see...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-01 17:44:41)
Format For Championship
Hello John.
After all, if it wasn't unusual, the interest would be lower for sure... :)
So you noticed, the 8 players with the highest established correspondence chess ratings play a pure knockout tournament.
I thought about this format a long time ago (and a long time). Combining a knockout tournament (more "spectacular") and a round-robin cycle (everyone can play, no more than 5 cycles) gather together the advantages of both. It is one of the reasons I made FICGS... I think pure knockout or pure round-robin wch cycle is not efficient enough for chess championships.
The other thing you'll notice in the rules : "The special rule is that in case of equality (4-4), the winner is the player with the strongest tournament entry rating if all games are draw, the player with the lowest tournament entry rating if not all games are draw. The winner is qualified for the next stage."
This rule (in case of equality in the round-robin tournaments, the player with the strongest TER is qualified too) is another way to avoid short draws... It may sound strange at a first sight, but I really think it's fair enough and a good way to find most probably the really strongest players in the last stages. Anyway, it's amazing for sure :)
The FICGS chess wch rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tournament
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-27 23:02:00)
An interesting quote :)
"Go is to Western chess what philosophy is to double entry accounting." from Shibumi, bestseller by Trevanian
Thanks to Vincent from http://www.godiscussions.com
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