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Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-04 03:54:36)
FICGS forum is open !
The forum is open to all discussions. Feel free to suggest and debate all kinds of improvements for the website. Please speak english only.
Have good games... :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-08 13:10:47)
Things to be implemented...
Hello to all... and thank you for your confidence in this very new server (when no game started yet ! maybe today...)
I expected a high average rating, but not so much :)
The last update provoked the first bug -> in this forum. Sorry to all who tried to post here. It should work now.
Here are things to be implemented in the future :
- Vacations (until, time limit by move is 2 months)
- Conditional moves
- A better interface for the forum...
Don't hesitate if you have ideas to improve the website !
Best wishes.
Hannes Rada (2006-04-08 13:20:52)
Thank you !
Thank you Thibault for this great job of creating a chessfriend clone.
Chessfriend had definitely the best and most convenient user-interface for server play.
I Hope many chessfriend-players will migrate to this server.
Once again thank you for your work and support of the correspondence
chess community !
Furthermore
-There is an overlap in the class tournaments concerning the minimun elo requirement.
Can you clarify this ?
- No holiday entitlement is mentioned in the terms and conditions
hannes
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-08 13:37:17)
Class tournaments overlap
Hello Hannes. Thank you for support :)
The overlap offers the possibility for players to register to several class tournaments, at least to choose. I think it won't be used a lot, but it could be something more for the stronger players who will choose to register to "under-class" tournament as well as other players who may play sometimes with stronger players.
Feel free to tell me what you think.
Thibault
Scott Ligon (2025-01-07 18:55:30)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
I am running an experiment where each move will be selected by Stockfish 17 in a deterministic configuration, so it will be possible to predict my response to any given move with certainty. I believe Stockfish 17 at these settings is so strong that it will be difficult if not impossible to exploit this strategy. However, if I reach a position where it looks like this strategy is going to lose, I reserve the right to deviate. If this happens, I will message my opponent to let them know that I am no longer following this system.
I'm using a python script to interact with Stockfish, but you should be able to get the same results running Stockfish 17 from the command line. I am currently running the search with the parameter nodes = 10 million (previously I tried nodes = 5 million but I found a way for white to win against Stockfish at that setting). From the command line:
go nodes 10000000
In order for Stockfish to be deterministic, it needs to be running on just 1 thread and from the command line that's the default. If for some reason Threads has a different value on your machine:
setoption name Threads value 1
I'm using the default size for the hash table, but if you run the search a second time without clearing the hash, you will get a different search result. So either close and restart Stockfish between searches or else clear the hash table:
setoption name Clear Hash
Lastly you need to be able to input the position before running the search. It is important that you enter the position via FEN string rather than by inputting the moves, because you might get different search results otherwise. Use only the first four fields of the FEN string, like this to get black's response after 1 e4:
position fen rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq -
From that position if you run Stockfish with nodes = 10 million, the last two lines of text output should say:
info depth 32 seldepth 46 multipv 1 score cp -26 lowerbound nodes 10000376 nps 462252 hashfull 999 tbhits 0 time 21634 pv c7c5
bestmove c7c5 ponder g1f3
I think only the values of "nps" and "time" will vary, everything else should be identical between runs / machines. So in this case Stockfish 17 recommends the Sicilian Defense and gives an evaluation of +0.26. (cp -26 is the evaluation in centipawns from the perspective of the side to move, but usually evals are given from white's POV).
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-08 14:49:23)
FICGS titles
As you may have read on TCCMB forum, ICCF officials reacted when they learnt about FICGS titles. My idea was it first to be informative (titles from ICCF/IECG/FIDE), because I think players like to know who they play against, particularly if their opponents are titled. It seems obvious to me that FICGS titles are FICGS ones, not "official", not ICCF or FIDE.. even if words are quite the same (titles are FICGS IM, not IM).
I would like to know what you think about that. Do you think FICGS titles should be renamed (ie. FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM), or do you think there's no possible confusion between FIDE/ICCF/IECG/FICGS titles ? This is an interesting debate I invite you to follow :
http://pub11.bravenet.com/forum/924995304/fetch/552912/
Thank you for your advices.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-08 17:51:15)
Drag & drop...
... isn't implemented yet ! The interface to play is a click & click one.
Go to "My messages", choose a game (click Game # or the rook)... the board appears.. click on the piece to move, wait the page loading, click the destination square, then submit.
Feel free to give me your impressions about the interface. Thank you in advance.
Thibault
Hannes Rada (2006-04-08 19:06:49)
Vacations
The most important issue to be implemented is imho the vacation.
I think otherwise many potential players (me included) will be prevented from joining a tournament.
How many days a year would you allow ?
Hannes Rada (2006-04-08 19:12:59)
Titles
I thing titles provide an incentive for players and their wording is not really important.
To avoid potential conflicts with other bureaucratic organisations you should maybe rename them to FEM, FIM, FSIM, FGM ...
Hannes Rada (2006-04-08 19:32:44)
vacations
40 days is fine for me.
I've 31 days leave in a year and I ususaly use them all for travelling and visiting foreign countries.
I had no experience with rapid tournaments on the cfc - server.
However they also allowed 40 days in a year.
Maybe otherwise many player would not participate.
I for one had to go several times on business trips for a few days and in this case it would risk losing games in a rapid tournament if there is no possibility for taking leave.
Per Lea (2006-04-08 23:09:40)
Titles
A provocative question: Do we really need titles at all? Isn't rating more informative than a title that maybe has been won when the player was at the top of his playing strength, many years ago?
I admit the rating system isn't perfect, but I still claim it tells me more than a title. Being a Norwegian I am possibly less obsessed with titles (within all walks of life) than people from other countries?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-09 10:16:50)
Duplication
Hello Marc ! I thought players (I first) precisely would appreciate something different and this totally "live" concept. I don't think many correspondence chess players will try to cheat this way... Furthermore, I already did implement processes to DETECT 'double' games.. and rules clearly forbid these methods.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-09 10:27:28)
TITLES !
I think the rating system tell a lot, titles just tell something more. What I think is to let appear "official" titles EM, IM, SIM, GM (note that I consider IECG titles as official ones)... Titles obtained on FICGS will appear differently (ie. FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM, and in another color..) I think it may fit to everyone, what do you think about ?
Per Lea (2006-04-09 11:41:46)
Rating improvement...
2141?
Now you mention it...
I had simply forgotten the latest list!
(Hooray! I am 5 points stronger than I thought! Everyone in A_000001 beware!)
Per Lea (2006-04-09 21:51:02)
Suggested improvement
When clicking on "My games", only a list with one line representing each game should appear (as on ICCF, Chessfriend and I think all other servers I have encountered - and there are quite a few!)
With many games running, a short overview is sufficient. Now I have to scroll down to a particular game, even though I only have 6 games running. I definitely think you should look to ICCF and Chessfriend to get some good ideas in this respect.
Hannes Rada (2006-04-09 23:21:02)
games overview
> and just go away - to Vanuatu
>(wherever that mey be)
Between the Australian East Coast and the Fiji Islands :-)
And I agree with Per's proposal to have only a short line with the most important game data, instead of the whole pgn-data (under my games and under tournaments)
Sebastien Marez (2006-04-10 08:26:01)
BUG
No the problem, It is necessary to make it possible the site to improve together.
Sebastien MAREZ
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2006-04-10 10:18:26)
FICGS council / staff
In will have a lot of time!
Patrice Verdier (2006-04-10 13:43:36)
Status of the games
It will be interesting to indicate the status of the game in the list of current games. It's important to know who must played. Example : "You turn", "Not your turn"
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-11 05:18:57)
FICGS council / staff
About job specification, as I said, I would like FICGS to be a place that fits to the most, and not under a dictatorship (even mine :)), so the idea to create a council with all members who want to be part of it, voting all decisions relating server rules, tournaments, wch cycles, titles... (or simply opinion poll on the website ? or both...)
The FICGS staff should be able to manage the server (registering new members, moderating the forum, referees...) Nothing difficult, just needs motivation. Most important is that it could completely work without me. Of course, if developers want to help, making a drag & drop interface ie. or improving whatelse..) About "go", we'll see later, Hannes :) (it's a fine game, you should learn !)
Anyway I'll send an email to all players responding in this thread soon. We will discuss about that.
Best wishes & thank you !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-11 14:54:36)
FICGS titles
Hello to all.
I would like to have players opinion !
As you may have noticed, I already changed FICGS titles to FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM. (not titles obtained elsewhere) Do you agree with titles appearing this way ?
I thought several other ways : EFM, IFM, SFM, GFM, or only to mention norms obtained ! (not titles) At last, of course, we can suppress definitely titles from FICGS, a bad idea in my opinion. What do you think about that ?
Thank you in advance for your responses.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-11 18:33:13)
Bug fixed...
Many improvements in the send move process... It should not be possible anymore to make a wrong move. Stalemate detection is implemented. In checkmate case, nothing else should be possible than resigning. Thanks for your feedback.
Hannes Rada (2006-04-11 21:03:24)
Titles
FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM.
That's in my opinion a good compromise.
Don't worry about the attacks of the guys in the Correspondence Chess Message Board. Just follow your dreams ....
Daniel De Noose (2006-04-11 23:46:29)
FICGS council/staff
I'm interested too.
I don't have always lot of time but I have lot of holidays !
;-)
You can see my description on echecsemail.com (login : danideno)
Dinesh De Silva (2006-04-12 07:24:22)
TITLES
I think the answer is obvious. FICGS titles should be named FICGS EM, FICGS IM etc, so that it's clear from where the titles are got from. By putting the organization's name in front of the title this way, I don't see any problems. I think the majority are bound to agree, and there won't be any sorta arguments with other organizations. After all, the world is a very big place.... there's enough room for everybody!
I find FICGS a very friendly place. Also, organizations like IECG, ICCF, LIAPE etc. are very hardworking, dedicated organizations too, and I enjoy playing in them too.
My thanks to you all.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-04-12 09:57:10)
Tournament formulas : not too many .
Personally I do prefer playing a small number of games simultaneously at a relatively rapid pace instead of a larger number at slower pace.
But I can understand that some prefer the opposite. So why not.
One caveat : I think you should wait a little bit before multiplying categories.
As long as we are not a larger number of active players there is a risk that there will be a small number of players waiting for long before a sufficient number of players will join for starting a tournament in a given category.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-12 11:24:03)
FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM
What do you think about all titles not from FIDE / ICCF to be renamed with 'F' letter added. I tried to add 'I' for IECG, but this is really not convenient for the eye... :/ (see the new rating list)
Dinesh De Silva (2006-04-12 12:27:56)
FEM,FIM,FSM,FGM
I saw the rating list, with the title changes....Interesting idea......But what will the titles be called when some of us eventually gain FICGS titles?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-12 12:46:22)
FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM
About titles obtained on FICGS, it would be the same ones. We have choice : We could add a special letter, from the organization the title comes from (very confusing I think : IIM.. IECG / ICCF) .. or consider EM, IM, SM, GM are "official" titles, and FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM are the other ones, including FICGS ones... Probably not perfect. Any idea ?
Dinesh De Silva (2006-04-12 12:52:51)
FEM,FIM,FSM,FGM
How about contacting IECG, ICCF etc and reaching an amicable solution regarding how to name the titles on FICGS?!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-12 14:27:40)
Committee
Yes, I agree. We'll talk about that very soon with members joining the council / staff. I just created a mailing list in this aim.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-13 16:05:35)
I agree...
... that would be unfair.
About players that will never achieve a title, I think most important is to stimulate motivation, and titles (I think) are awarded in this way. Don't you think categories FI, FII, FIII are in a way the rating itself ?
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2006-04-13 16:25:01)
New Titles
I agree that the rating in a way.
I was proposing that because it like in my country where chess players start with a the third category and continue with II and I and cadidate master after which it's coming the Master title. So that will simulate more the country system...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-14 04:54:25)
Proposal from a visitor (anonymous)
" >>> Hi Thibault
Congratulations for the launch of your new CC server!
I fully support your initiative and hope I will join very soon.
Meanwhile I would like to share some ideas about the Ficgs
Titles, which I also fully and unconditionally support.
My proposal is to adopt/or "recognize" any title awarded
by FIDE/ICCF/IECG as a FGM, FSIM, FIM, FEM titles.
(e.g. not just IECG IM = FIM, but all others too).
That is, a ICCF GM should be named FGM much as a FIDE GM,
or IECG GM (or SIM, IM or EM for CC).
There shouldn't be special treatment to those players
with a title from FIDE/ICCF
Then, to differentiate them, there could be a color
scheme or a footnote explaining the procedence of
the title: FGM (ICCF) ...FSIM (IECG) and simply FSIM for
the truly SIM title obtained at FICGS.
In adition, those players who do not have a title,
but have norms either at FIDE/ICCF/IECG (my case ;)
either will have them "homologated" (as the titles are)
or better, when/if the title has been awarded later, his Ficgs
title will be "updated" to the newly awarded title
(by FIDE/ICCF/IECG), which must be the highest of
them all (as in IECG SIM > ICCF IM > FEM ..etc)
This way FICGS will be the first organization
to homologate norms and titles in CC world ;) <<< "
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-14 05:16:26)
re: Proposal
What do we call "legitimacy", "official" ? This is quite subjective. In my opinion each organization can create his own titles and choose to recognize titles from other ones. IECG titles are recognized by FICGS, but it's obvious titles from FIDE / ICCF have more value in players mind (legitimacy is not the subject), and players from everywhere could appreciate this distinction. Anyway the FICGS council will discuss about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-14 13:19:38)
Registrations, best of :)
Among players who tried to register with a false name, some of them have a great imagination. I'll post their most funny "contributions" here. If they finally succeed to skirt the filter (me), I'll just say "ok, you won... great. now, what about a game ? :)"
Fischer, Bobby (2900)
Holycron, Kieron
Hakon Anda (2006-04-14 16:52:42)
Some wishes
I think this server works great after so short time online. However I think there are som possible improvements that could be done:
1. Option that can disable e-mail notification of one own moves.
2. It should be possible to take leave.
3. A better list of our own games, like when last move was done, reflection time left and so on.
4. A flag for every player that shows the nationality and other information that could be found in the rating list.
Best regards,
Hakon Anda
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-14 17:08:26)
Answers...
Hello Håkon. Some answers :
1. Maybe try : Preferences -> Notification checkbox
2. Right, other players already asked for this. Now you have 2 months to play a single move, so few chances to be late. The council will discuss about vacation option before to be implemented.
3. Some players asked these informations not to appear in the list to reduce it in size, so you can check this just by clicking on the games. ("when last move was done" : right !)
4. For website design reasons, I can't display many informations on the same page. I don't think flags are essential, but it will probably be implemented anyway !
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-15 19:01:14)
Extend Timeout
I agree great server. The board definiely would be better with coordinates.
Is there a way to extend the timeout time? Or an option to save one's login information so you don't have to input name and password after being tossed?
Thanks!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-16 09:25:33)
Implemented & vacation
Hello to all.
Cookies, last move & board coordinates have been implemented. Thanks !
Still thinking about vacation, but it doesn't seem obvious to me that it is essential. There's objectively no difference between "vacation" & time for move... Rules on other servers are often a bit hard and to manage vacations is something more to do (and not so easy when you have few time). I would prefer not to hurry players and allow a 2 months time limit per move (= 1 month + 1 month leave by default) Quite more flexible. (!?)
Hannes Rada (2006-04-16 09:52:16)
time and vacation
>There's objectively no difference >between "vacation" & time for move... >Rules on other servers
There is a difference.
If the player does not have the time on the clock, because he is involved in many tournaments ....
I think we should start a poll about this issue.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-16 11:58:58)
IECG & ICCF webserver
Hello to all.
Congratulations to Ortwin Paetzold who just started with success (src. IECG forum) the new IECG webserver.
Feel free to compare IECG, ICCF & FICGS servers (if you already played on) in this thread, it may help me to feel future improvements, as I have no more time to play on the other ones :(
Thank you for feedback.
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-16 12:15:33)
A Couple More Suggestions!
Thank you Thibault for your prompt response to my suggestions. Here's another one that you may not be able to do easily. Can you add an option to make the board a little bit larger? And maybe eventually give us chess piece choices or board color choice? My eyesight plays tricks on me as I get older and bt experimenting with the colors, sizes and piece choices it sometimes helps. Just a suggestion! None are big ones. Thanks!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-16 12:21:01)
Håkon & Glen
Håkon, you're right (no need to receive his own moves). It will be changed this hour.
Glen, you can change board color in preferences. At least you have choice : Grey, Red, Blue, Green. About the size & other pieces, not impossible, I'll see that.
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-16 12:33:44)
Comparisons
Hello Thibault - first thanks for creating this server. I'm happy to see so many members joined up so quickly.
I just started on Ortwin's server (IECG) yesterday. Too early to compare, though one initial item I like better on Ortwin's server is that I can
easily change board colors and chess pieces there. Would like the board a little larger (or maybe be adjustable) on both sites. Easier for old eyes!
Two items I like much better here than at ICCF are the time rules (ICCF's are much too long) and the tournament sign-up procedure. I can not sign up for an ICCF tournament on-line. I have to do so by printing a form and mailing a check to my NF. A old process for a modern method of play!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-16 18:33:01)
Adjudication
Déjà ? :)
So, about games "obviously lost" (somewhat subjective), the council may decide special rules so that referees can grant games that drag out. What do you think is best ? That's a recurrent problem in correspondence chess, and an original policy could make the rating more accurate, as some players may finish "good games" very faster than others... Quite subjective indeed, and not obvious. Where's the limit ? Maybe correspondence chess players should first accept this idea that their "won" games may finish much later...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-16 18:42:59)
Two players matches
Question about 2 players matches will be discussed too. I first decided not to offer these formulas because it may lead to cheating problems, at least unfair results. I have implemented processes to detect cheaters, but avoiding temptations is probably best for all :)
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-16 18:57:19)
60/10 Too Slow for Me
I'm in the group that thinks 60/10 is too slow. Like Mr. LaCrosse, I like fewer games at a faster pace. Only way 60/10 might work is to set a REASONABLE limit on days per move. ICCF's 40 days is too long and some TD's are much too lenient about extending it.
I hope this doesn't hijack your thread Thibault, but The opposite question I'd like to ask is how many server players find the opening game too fast and like a blur? I make a move and there's a reply waiting 5 minutes later. It won't be long before someone writes a script and connects it to ChessBase to cut the time down to seconds :)
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-17 19:01:10)
Thanks for the Comments Guys
Dinesh - since computer use is allowed I have no problem if someone uses a "script" to automate moves. I don't think that would be fradulent. Actually I think it would be clever :)
The point I was trying to ask is anyone concerned (besides me) that we created a chess medium (server chess) where it's so easy to make moves that the games move too fast? I dread the start of a new section, particularly large sections with 10+ players. It's impossible to keep one's inbox empty for even a minute. I know I should show more discipline and walk away, but it's almost like an illness "just one more move then I'll stop" and I don't! One practice I've been using lately is to make a move in a notebook and sit on the move for a day or two before sending it. That helps slow things down. I wonder if a delay send option on the server would make any sense? One could make a move and then click a delay send button for 24 or 48 hours. One would be charged time during the delay, but it would automate the slow down and make tournament startups a little less hectic. Maybe I'm the only one who sees this as an issue> If so, then label this just one crazy man's thoughts :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-17 19:25:06)
New features...
Coordinates & last move have been implemented... Now the "live games" concept of the site extends to the home page :)
Also, player informations are 5 successive pages (informations, elo history, title norms, tournaments, games), reachable just by clicking on "ELO" (to improve yet) after clicking the magnifying glass.
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2006-04-18 12:43:47)
Deadline ?
When is the deadline for a player which didn't moved ?
In IECG is 10 days...
Is in FICGS some limite ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-18 13:25:56)
Time limit per move
If a player has 60 days and more on his clock, the deadline for one move is 60 days ! This is a provisional (quite good, I think) solution before question of vacation be answered. Many players can't play every day and correspondence chess games usually last several months, often more than 1 year.
It seems server games go much faster than email games, but rules 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves are the same.
Time limit per move in IECG is 30 days. Here, a 60 days limit (a rating period) don't seem too much to me. Players won't feel oppressed (Glen, turn email notification off :)) and I think they won't use it often.
RAPID TOURNAMENTS are an alternative solution.
Thibault
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-18 21:39:57)
A Suggestion
Thibault my e-mail notification will be turned off :)
I'd encourage you to re-consider your 60 day ruling. I can foresee individuals getting late in a game and accumulating hundreds of reflection days. Not many, but a few players could go 59 days per move 2 or 3 times in a row just to irritate their opponent. Not everyone is a "good sport" unfortunately :(
IECG does it right by limiting time to 30 days max per move. You violate the limit once, game is over no questions asked. ICCF does it half right and half wrong. They set the limit at 40 days, but then make the person waiting beg the TD to do something. If the TD refuses to enforce the rule, the violating player can stall as long as he wants :(
This is your chance to pick and chose from the best things done in other organizations. Either set a limit on the number of accumulated days so it doesn't go into the hundreds or set a reasonable limit on the number of days per move. Just don't let both become large. Also don't be wishy washy on the limit. Set a limit and enforce it, no questions asked. No hard reasonable limit and too many accumulated days is an infrequent, but irritating problem in the making. There won't be many, but sadly there will be those few "bad losers" who think it's "cute" to string their opponents along. Don't let that happen at FICGS!
Just my two cents :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-18 23:04:48)
Interesting...
Glen, that's a fine suggestion !
We could probably improve the time rules, indeed.
Maybe a 100 days accumulated time limit would be appreciated ? What do think the players ?
Elmer Valderrama (2006-04-18 23:15:46)
30 d max
I agree with Glen, 'resign' is the hardest word, and some prefer the server (or the time control rules) _gradually_ pronounce it..
30 days max, with time doubled at move 10th + optional leave of 30 days would be more than reasonable to me.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-18 23:26:06)
Live games
Hello to all.
I don't know (I hope) if the "live" concept is somewhat a reason for this, but I'm quite surprised to see already Alekhine defence played 6 times (and King's gambit the same). I wait for more accurate statistics, but no : everyone don't play Sicilian and that's great :) Spectacular & original games are welcome, I'm to install a "best game" poll script.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-19 19:13:56)
Vacation implemented
Dear chessfriends, a major update on FICGS : Vacation has been implemented. You now have 30 days leave per year (for all games !)
Be careful using it, as days can't be took back (or vacation stopped before the end date) by playing a move for example. But you can add days to your vacation simply taking days more. You can play while you're in vacation, the days leave you take are simply added to your clock for all your running games. A message tells your opponent you're in vacation in the viewer page.
Also please note this new rule : Time accumulated is now limited to 100 days ! (taking effect at your next move) The 60 days limit per move is kept for the player's convenience.
Have good games !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-20 11:59:21)
Cheating / Forfeiting
Hello to all.
The website detected 2 'probable' cheaters registered (one playing), with a 1400 rating.
Of course, FICGS will face problems encountered by all correspondence chess sites but I think it will be minimal here, as I'm enforcing detection rules so that aliases couldn't register anymore.
Important : Games forfeited without a valid explanation won't be rated, and the account for the player closed. A player who may forfeit should send an email with explanation to : ficgs (at) ficgs.com
Thanks.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-20 01:09:44)
Updated...
You're right, Hannes.
A delay (of at most 10 days) has been implemented. Thanks !
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-20 01:47:29)
Congratulations!
Thibault - I don't know if FICGS is the first server to do so, but it's the first server I play on that has made the intelligent decision to limit accumulated time. Hopefully you will set a trend that other servers will follow :)
60 days max for one move may be too much, but with a 100 day limit, abuse will be minimal.
Good job :)
Elmer Valderrama (2006-04-20 14:52:47)
search by ECO code
Wonderful feature to have all on-going games available just one click away (an old request to Reimund @chessfriend).
Even more interesting to be able to search games by player name. Now would it be too much to ask for a search by ECO?
--similar games would be identified in a second, a good thing; and information for choosing different variations would be available..
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-20 15:21:08)
ECO / statistics
Not too much :)
But I have many things to implement before. Also statistics are not very accurate yet, as the code don't detect transpositions.
This is only the beginning... Huh.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-20 23:14:19)
:-)
It's done.
Also other "strange" openings implemented.
Cheers :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-20 23:18:32)
Vote for the best game
A funny feature has been implemented : You can vote for the best game played on FICGS. I hope it will reveal great games... :)
The votes have a lifetime.
Graham Cridland (2006-04-21 16:55:55)
Waiting lists
An option to remove oneself from the waiting list for a tournament might be useful. No immediate need on my part at present, but people's schedules change, etc.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-04-22 15:39:05)
Conditional moves ?
I cannot figure how to propose conditional moves. Is this feature implemented yet?
Maybe I did not read the rules accurately...
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-23 06:12:25)
Not yet
Conditional moves will be probably implemented, but not this week... Many things to do before.
I think it's generally an appreciated feature. Some players don't like to receive "automatic" moves just after they played, but it seems to be a "must" have for CC servers.
Stefano Ghisi (2006-04-23 16:36:50)
conditional moves?
I think it's a feature important. Then, if you want to use it, you use...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-24 07:33:39)
Referee
You can call referee after a while. Anyway your opponent will loose on time before the one move time limit.
Michael Hoppenstein (2006-04-24 15:45:19)
Referee - Checkmate
That's not quite all right, I think. In case a game is won by checkmate, the game should be over - that is: without referee and without me waiting for my opponent losing on time. Would you consider changing this? Just a suggestions.
Stefano Ghisi (2006-04-24 16:05:41)
Time pro move
Is it possible to have the "time pro move" or the time used by each player to make his move?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-24 16:18:23)
Time pro move
The date of the last move played is displayed. I prefer not to store time for all moves on the server to minimize the size of the database. But they are stored on my computer. If there's a problem, I can find the time for any move.
Stefano Ghisi (2006-04-24 16:19:52)
time pro move
Ok, thanks
Graham Wyborn (2006-04-25 13:13:52)
Condition Moves?
I have played on another site which uses conditional moves.
The Conditional Move is only operated after you opponent moves, therefore you are unaware of your opponents offer.
Also players can turn the feature on or off. So if one player has it turned off, the opponent cannot use it.
Conditional moves are good time savers. especially when making a capture and the opponent has only one good reply. It saves time.
Hope Conditional Moves are coming to this site too!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-25 16:09:45)
So, no need to turn it off... !?
That's not obvious... Conditional moves may save time, may irritate too... Is it really "fair" ? His existence is arguable, in my opinion.
Graham Cridland (2006-04-25 16:31:57)
?
You can't do anything with conditional moves you can't do just making the moves yourself. It isn't like it makes imitation harder to spot. It just saves time.
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-25 16:48:28)
Another Opinion
I have mixed feelings on 'conditional" moves. I agree they save time, but they also can be irritating. Depends how they're sent and who sends them.
We all have those opponents who play whatever Fritz plays. When one gets in a rather simple series of moves, those opponents like to run out a string of 3 or 4 conditionals in a row. Opponents like that are like leeches. You can't get them off your skin without yanking them off and eradicating them :)
Time saving versus irritation. Considering the options, I vote for time saving. The faster I can get rid of Fritz opponents, the happier I am.
Just another opinion :)
Michael Hoppenstein (2006-04-25 17:15:18)
Opponent does not resign after checkmate
The bug might be fixed but my opponent won't resign.
Do I really have to wait 48 days - I've just checked - till he forfeits on time? How do I make him resign?
Graham Cridland (2006-04-25 17:22:16)
Hmm.
Well, I see your point (I have an opponent like that) but what you're really objecting to is their failure to use their time, not conditional moves (or even fritz). And I can't imagine that forcing people to use their time will be popular.
Just have to NOT send the move back right away, sit down at the board, and figure out where Fritz goes wrong. Our German friend isn't all knowing (especially at the 14-16 ply people only give him much of the time). So you should generally win those games.
Graham Wyborn (2006-04-25 17:42:52)
Please join:-
I joined this site recently and still have not started a game!
Forgive the advert 4 the following games.
We need one more player!
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_C__000002
(type : rated round-robin, time : 40 days, increment : 40 days / 10 moves)
7 players, 6 game (1 game against each opponent)
elo : 1600-2000
Cridland, Graham (USA) 1700
Grady, Richard (USA) 1654
Höppenstein, Michael (DEU) 1700
Fillion, Nicolas (CAN) 1640
Wyborn, Graham (GBR) 1700
Muller, Henri-Louis (BEL) 1923
Glen D. Shields (2006-04-25 20:39:39)
Hmmm ... yup
Graham - I think you summed it perfectly. I have no objection to conditionals nor do I care how much time folks use. What I find "irritating" (the word used in this thread) are those situations where you move and ten minutes later you're back on the clock again. Overused conditionals contribute to the "irritation," but hardly are the root cause.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-25 23:23:09)
Forums
Here are some forums where I announced FICGS. Most of them are well known & good places :
http://pub11.bravenet.com/forum/924995304
TCCMB
http://www.quebecechecs.com
Quebec Echecs
http://www.talkchess.com
Talk Chess
http://www.chessninja.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
Chess Ninja
http://chessexchange.com/
Chess Exchange
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-25 23:47:35)
Waiting lists / Delay
Usually, the delay before a tournament start is at least one week in other big organizations... Be patient, tournaments will start more often as time passes and players join us. (the next month could be "surprising") Anyway this is correspondence chess after all :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-04-26 19:42:16)
Russian, Italian, Chinese, Dutch....
The Babelfish versions of the FICGS home page in other languages are at the bottom of the home page... Quite funny :)
If players from these countries have time to help to translate, feel free to send me an email to info (at) ficgs.com ! Thanks.
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-13 11:22:45)
FICGS
this site looks like a great site just cant wait to get started...Nice to see that Suat Atalik is there as i am of to turkey next month and hope to meet him in his club in taksim (istanbul)
Jose Carrillo (2006-05-03 00:19:03)
Repetition???
Why? It defeats the purpose of Chess960. Everyone in the tournament is just playing a Chess960 game, not the same opening position. Using the same opening position simulates a regular chess tournament (i.e. repetition). Anyway, at least it should be an option to have differnt opening position per game in the same tournament. It's more in line with the "purpose" of Fischerandom Chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-04 01:03:58)
Update - Chess 960
The start position for Chess 960 tournaments will change each time a tournament starts ! The start position for the next tournament is the Chess 960 board in the Help section.
Have good games...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-05 16:35:18)
Question...
... from a player :
Who (how many players from each tournament) will play the next stages of the wch ?
Indeed, rules are not clear enough yet, I'll bring changes soon. About "how many players", from ie. a 11 players round-robin tournament : It's stated only one, the player with the highest rating in case of equality. Maybe that's not fair enough, I have to simulate other possibilities.
As June is very near already (too short delay), if there are no players enough at this time, we could pass the first stage but I think it would be better to wait, postponing (one month or two) could be considered...
Jose Carrillo (2006-05-05 18:51:43)
Tournament reccomendation
Try a round robin + Page system playoffs.
Round 1:
Round Robin (as many players as you want)
Final Round:
Page System Playoffs:
Top 4 players in the Round Robin qualify for the quaterfinals:
1st place vs 2nd place
3rd place vs 4th place
Winner of 1st-2nd gets bye in semi-finals, and moves on to the finals.
Loser of 1st-2nd plays in semi-final round
Winner of 3rd-4th playes in semi-final
Loser of 3rd-4th gets eliminated.
Winner of semi-final plays in the final.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-06 11:49:01)
Advanced chess
About correspondence chess : IECG & ICCF (see links page) but probably all others too. GameKnot, Its your turn, Scheming mind, Chessmaniac etc... Real time play : Chessanytime, Chesshere.
Actually probably 98% are computer aided sites, so you can play advanced chess everywhere.
Glen D. Shields (2006-05-06 11:51:16)
Two Others
Two other sites are ICCF (http://www.iccf-webchess.com/) and IECG (http://lss.chess-server.net/). They're similar to FICGS in that both require one to play with their real name. Neither site promotes computer use, yet neither site discourages it.
ICCF is a fee-based. IECG is free.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-06 16:58:07)
FICGS cup...
Bonjour Sebastien.
Non, pas encore. D'abord pour ne pas multiplier les tournois, au risque de diviser leur popularité. Le problème reste d'imaginer une formule un peu originale, qui ne ressemble pas trop au championnat du monde (donc peut-être éviter le classique cycle de tournois round-robin). A suivre...
(about a FICGS cup, the problem is to imagine an original scheme, that doesn't look like too much to the FICGS world championship... a classical round-robin cycle is maybe 'not enough' to justify this special event)
Henrik Dinesen (2006-05-07 16:35:13)
I'm lost here...
I log in, but I can't find a way to start a game, or enter a tournament.
Should I leave imidiatly becaurse stupity or "blindness"?
"Anything" I see seem to indicate the first, but ??
Dinesh De Silva (2006-05-14 07:43:13)
An alternative to Cup Championship
In my opinion, instead of a Cup Championship, perhaps a Knock Out Rapid Championship maybe more interesting!? This is simply an idea. (Otherwise, FICGS might begin to look too similar to other correspondence chess sites, don't you think?!)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-14 16:07:16)
"Blitz" cup...
Thank you Heinz Georg, for the files you sent to me.
Now I understand better the work and ideas of Reimund Lutzenberger in Chessfriend.com, a great experimentation field for sure...
I first concluded some things not to do in FICGS WCH. In example, a player rated 2500 (even provisional rating from fide) shouldn't have to play in the first stage against a low-rated player in a world championship [but that could be possible in a cup tournament cycle]. So I'll add special rules for high rated players (who are not qualified for the WCH knockout tournament) to begin directly in a 2nd stage tournament...
I agree with Dinesh, the aim is not to use the same formulas, even good ones. Anyway I think we can find new interesting (better :)) ones. But as the WCH is already a rapid tournament cycle, the CUP could be an unrated "blitz" (30 days per game with no increment, or even 10 days + 1 hour / move) knockout (2 games / match + playoffs) !! Something quite "brutal" and unfair between correspondence chess & classical rythms. What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-15 11:05:57)
Blitz cup
Yes, time is the main problem. Correspondence chess don't give a large choice, it's difficult to vary rhythms.
10 days + 1 day per 4 moves (6 extra hours / move) could be more fair and we can avoid playoffs with the sudden death (similar to WCH knockout tournament). I like the idea of a violent, rapid and quite unfair (unrated) tournament. It could be quite popular. An advantage in a knockout (with 2 rounds) is that a few games will have to be played : 7 rounds means at most 14 games... If the number of players doesn't fit, the highest rated players could enter at stage 2. The winner could be qualified for the third stage of the WCH round-robin cycle.
But there are potential problems. I don't find a good & fair algorithm to distribute players in a big knockout (chance is not a good idea, I think), and it could be a big work to organize such a tournament (& start games regularly) with 256 players or more...
Juri Eintalu (2021-09-27 22:56:01)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess
Interesting. I had to make a move AND accept the draw. Then, the system recognized the draw. But the last move I made was not counted. It was also fun that when I tried to ACCEPT a draw, the system warned that several draw offers are punishable. I started to fear whether I have ACCEPTED that draw more than 3 times...
Per Lea (2006-05-17 13:27:46)
FICGS is not alone....
I have encountered a similar problem on another website: when accepting an offer of a draw, the system wouldn't accept the result unless you played a move as well!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-17 20:44:05)
Delay before adjudication request
About the game you request for adjudication, Wayne... I see you played your last move 2 days ago. It's a bit early... Please wait about a ten days before calling referee, even if your opponent takes 5 days for each move... This is correspondence chess... and we have time :) In email games (with the same time) such situations may take much more time... Be patient ! It doesn't prevent you to enter a new tournament, and next rating calculation won't occur before july.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-18 03:18:57)
Let's see...
Hello Glen.
This is quite unusual and it may look strange at the first sight, but I still think that this rule is positive and is not a nonsense !
That's true I prefer the server working this way, and it saves time process, but I keep in mind : First, this is friendly... 2nd, if a player want to last a game, he will do it before being checkmated. 3rd, I didn't adjudicate Wayne's game, and his opponent just resigned only 2 days after his move. Let's give a chance to this rule, I'm convinced time will show that it is not a nonsense ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-18 20:10:13)
ECO code
Search by ECO code (actually by opening) is now implemented. You need to disconnect (or open a new window) to use it.
http://www.ficgs.com/directory_openings.html
Find your opening, then click on the ECO code (not on the magnifying glass, that is linked to wikichess) and you'll have results in a second...
Wayne Lowrance (2006-05-19 00:50:31)
It is not nonsense
He resigned i believe cause of opinion of those here.
It is not nonsence. The fact that this site is correspondence has nothing to do with it. absolutley nothing !
You go to any club tournament and you will not be welcome back with such over the board conduct. It is rude, spitefull and counter productive to good chess and fair play. You will change this rule my friend. There is NO justification for a player to drag out a forced mate loss if he sees it. and believe me in the case of my game 205 you must admit it is obvious. In fact he should have resigned many moves earlier, I would
have 4 sure. do not like your weak argument justifying the mate implementation....
Here is to a nice cite for corresponse chess.
Respexctfully
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-19 02:15:13)
Amici sumus
Hello Wayne. I agree, of course, your game was won. Here the problem is not the checkmate rule, it is about the adjudication of a forced win or draw ! Clearly, there's no perfect solution. There will be some abuses, more or less important ! One can't prevent this... Rules (particularly time rules) mean abuses. But don't forget that if a player abuses, it doesn't mean all players do the same intentionally in such a situation. I don't know if your opponent really stopped to play... (what for ? .. you'll get the point anyway) Maybe he just had other things to do these days... Who knows ? Even if this is not the case, it could have been ! It is the same problem (in the forced mate case) everywhere, there's simply nothing else to do than wait, then call referee when a time limit is reached. There's no other reasonable rule ! (and it would be too much work for referees)
Understand me, I don't say it was not an abuse, I just say there's no solution. If I change the rule, there will be abuses in another way ! There will be abuses anyway... Nevertheless, if you have an idea, I'll read it with interest.
Respectfully.
Trent Parker (2006-05-19 08:04:48)
My Overall evaluation of this new site
I really like this site. I like the format of the tournaments, I like the fact that the number of games one can play are not limited.
I like the idea of the best game function, however i do not think it is properly utilised (I have aired my ideas on this elsewhere....)
I personally think the resign for checkmate rule is ok, although none of my games have gotten that far yet. After all a) this does not limit the amount of games that you can play on this site and b) your opponent will run out of time anyhow. So what is the difference? You are going to get the point anyhow.
I have the following criticisms:
I am on Dial up. This site is very slow to play on, very time consuming with the amount of games that i am up to. would it be possible to... I dunno... make it like a javascript or something, just to speed it up a bit. Or perhaps even make the submit button further up the page a bit? Often i have gone out of a game thinking that i have made the move when i have forgotten to click the submit button. (By the way this site would be excellent if i had broadband but i don't.)
I may have some more comments later on but at the moment i've said enough.
Thanks for this site Thibault!
Trent Parker
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-19 11:09:58)
Re: Suggestion
Thanks for the suggestion, Wayne. Actually, I'm to implement a "comments" feature (see the discussion in a thread below). I don't think it's a perfect solution ! Of course it's a way to solve this problem, but it will create other problems with other abuses ! Anyway, it's a positive point more for comments. As David Grosdemange said, only players should be able to chat before the game ended. I think I'll do it this way...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-19 11:43:00)
re : Délai de réflexion
Bonjour Henri.
Ce sont là ni plus ni moins les règles des échecs par correspondance ! :) Une partie peut en effet durer un an dans certains cas, et c'est souvent le cas dans d'autres organisations. Force est de constater que les parties se déroulent ici beaucoup plus rapidement que dans d'autres organisations, mais il n'y a pas d'autres règles de temps raisonnables (ce n'est pas faute d'y avoir pensé). Tout le monde ne peut pas jouer aussi rapidement, il est quasi impossible de trouver une demi mesure entre les cadences classiques et les cadences par correspondance utilisant un incrément d'un jour par coup minimum...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-20 18:39:06)
Equality rule
Hello Daniel.
If the 2300 player scores 5.5 at this tournament, and the 1800 player scores 5, we can imagine the 2300 player makes a bad performance as well (possibly lower than the 1800 player), so the 1800 player should win ?
There's no perfect system, only conditions, but this rule prevents from 'accidents' and grants the rating that is the best players strength indicator. I think this is a way to ensure that the best players will reach the final stages. Because this is a world championship...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-21 13:02:10)
Teams
Hello Dave. You're probably right...
Feel free to tell me how you imagine this team championship ? How many players by team ? Should the teams have a leader (would designate players, or selected by elo ?) ? Knockout or round-robin cycle ? etc...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-23 09:27:49)
Transpositions
Hello Pablo.
I fixed that. Auto-analyzing would take too much time processing, but it now works in another way : Just tell me (please send email) if you find a line transposing to another, and I'll make the change. As it's difficult to cancel a forwarding, only moderators could do such a change.
Henri Muller (2006-05-23 09:43:09)
Time reflexion !!
Je rejoins en partie la note de Wayne Lowrance.
Il y a quelque chose d'incorrect dans le décompte du temps de réflexion.
Il suffit de jouer les 10 premiers coups très rapidement, et on dispose ensuite de 60 jours de réflexion !!!
Ainsi, un joueur, sur le point d'être maté, peut attendre DEUX mois avant de répondre !? Et certaines parties traînent ainsi lamentablement....par manque de fair-play de l'adversaire. Aberrant !
Pourquoi pas limiter une réponse à 5 ou 7 jours de réflexion MAXIMUM - tout en conservant le décompte habituel.
Il FAUT donc répondre endéans les 5 ou 7 jours ( ou perdre la partie ). Cette pratique est courante partout !!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-23 10:26:09)
Time reflexion
Ce n'est pas aussi simple. Les sites employant des règles de temps aussi dures (10 jours par coup ou moins) s'exposent à d'autres problèmes, et à de nombreuses parties gâchées... Le temps d'attente est inévitable par correspondance. La limitation du cumul du temps limitera les abus, mais les joueurs ont de toutes façons le choix de jouer des tournois rapides uniquement !
Je pense que le site est bien équilibré sur la question du temps désormais. J'ai une certaine expérience du jeu par correspondance et des problèmes posés par les cadences, et je suis convaincu que la formule actuelle conviendra au plus grand nombre. N'oublions pas que nombre de joueurs ne peuvent pas jouer aussi rapidement !
Xavier Pichelin (2006-05-25 21:56:00)
delai de reflexion
J'ai lu quelque commentaire en francais sur les durée des parties.
Je trouve que obliger de jouer tous les 6 ou 7 jours est pas judicieux.
Car il suffit qu'on parte en déplacement la semaine au niveau professionnel ca m'arrive fréquement donc on arrive au week-end et on doit répondre une vintaine de parties voire plus car on joue aussi a ICCF et autres en un week end sous peine de perdre??
Mois ça m'est arrivé de jouer un coup en 15 jours afin de réguler les autres parties et le temps d'analyser ses parties en cours.
Non je trouve que c'est utile de jouer vite les débuts afin d'augmenter considérablement le temps de reflexion afin de ne pas blitzer pour jouer correctement.
Aussi il est vrai que certain joueurs non fair-play sur une partie archie perdue vous fait attendre avant d'abandonner ou simplement perdre au temps!.
C'est valable aussi dans les autre instances ou certain joue 1 coup tous les 39 jours pour faire durer le plaisir!!!
Amicalement Xavier.
Phil Cook (2006-05-25 12:20:49)
refreshed page
I think there is a small bug in the system,I only refreshed my page,now I see I've posted three times,same subject.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-25 12:22:25)
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_G__000001
Did you confirm your registration at this tournament ?
(please don't post your messages several times ;))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-26 21:19:33)
transpositions...
Hello David. Thanks for your feedback !
That's a big deal. Actually I have a solution to automate transpositions management. But it could bring other problems... In example, a secondary (or totally wrong) line should always transpose to the main line..
Your example (f4 e5 e4) is true, so we should give our opinion about the position (and future moves), not the last move...
About the search function, you're right again, but this point is even more complex ! I'll think about it later, I must care about time processing. Anyway, you can use Chessbase or Chess Assistant to find games sorted by position. So, by now, the search function works for openings, not positions.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-28 01:06:10)
Other quotes by famous chess players
"I really believe that Go is destined to take the place of Chess as the leading intellectual game of the Occident, just as it has reigned supreme in the Orient for some four thousand years."
- Edward Lasker, Go and Go-Moku, c. 1934
"While the Baroque rules of chess could only have been created by humans, the rules of go are so elegant, organic, and rigorously logical that if intelligent life forms exist elsewhere in the universe, they almost certainly play go."
- Edward Lasker, international chess master
"You don't have to be really good anymore to get good results. What's happening with Chess is that it's gradually losing its place as the par excellence of intellectual activity. Smart people in search of a challenging board game might try a game called Go."
- Hans Berliner, The New York Times, Feb 6, 2003
"... {it is} something unearthly ... If there are sentient beings on other planets, then they play Go."
- Emanuel Lasker, chess world champion
David Grosdemange (2006-05-28 15:06:54)
go 9*9 ?
is it possible to organize some 9*9 go tournaments ?
games in 19*19 are sometimes very long ...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-28 15:40:14)
go 9*9
Hello David.
I didn't implement 9x9 goban firstly because I didn't have a Java viewer for this size... Then, I thought it was a good thing not to propose other sizes, 19x19 is "real go", most interesting and challenging games ! 9*9 is only tactical training... Actually my games here are the very first I play on a 19x19 goban. I use to play 9x9 with friends, on a chessboard :-)
We could offer different times, goban sizes, handicaps etc... but I think this is not the way FICGS goes : Purity of games and competition. 19x19 go games are long, but we have time... Not a bad thing to cut idleness (particularly mine :))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-29 01:00:30)
annotations
I think too much annotations would give quickly something incoherent... Some players would use it, others no... Most important is commentaries.
About this problem (Qf6 = Qxf6), it is fixed now.
Trent Parker (2006-05-29 03:03:51)
Sorting your own games
Hello Thibault!
I know that you are working hard on this site already. But could i suggest that a sort function be implemented so that a player could sort their games according to how much time they have on the clock?
Most of my games are long standard games, however i am playing in one rapid play game which, when sorted by game number are quite a long way down the page. On days where i dont have much time to make moves i would prefer to make moves on my rapid games rather than my long games. This is where that sort function would become handy
Once again thanking you for this great chess server.
Trent Parker
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-29 13:06:48)
Sorting games
Hello Trent. That's a fine suggestion, thanks.
Actually, there are several ways to sort games usefully, hard to choose. Now the games (in 'My messages') are sorted according to your time of response. Thus the first game appearing is 'most probably' the one you should consider first.
About one of your messages I forgot to respond (sorry), I'll try to offer to play on a javascript/java interface later [help welcome :)] , but I think HTML is quite ok and most compatible. On some computers it consumes less time on dial-up than other servers using Java...
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-05-29 13:14:29)
Remaining time on page "My Games"
Dear Thibault
the same problem - another suggestion.
My preferred page is "My games". Is it possible to add the remaining time of both players (or at least of the player to move)?
Heinz-Georg
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-29 13:32:45)
Remaining time
Hello Heinz-Georg !
'My games' is only a short overview of all your running games (as Per suggested), useful when you have a lot of games. Adding clocks would be too much space consuming.
My preferred page is definitely 'My messages'... Using both should be efficient enough.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-05-29 13:51:27)
Remaining time
Hello Thibault!
What a pity! Everything I would like is a short overview of my running games - with the remaining time(s). I don't need the start date of the tournament at this page. You can delete it to get more space.
My messages doesn't contain further information which I need.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-29 15:22:37)
Remaining time : added !
Thanks for boosting me ;) Is it better now ?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-05-29 16:40:45)
Remaining time : added !
Now it's great. Thanks for the fast change!
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-05-29 23:44:30)
Value of the pieces...
A bishop against two pawns - never if it is not mate. You have two open lines and I lack an important piece.
David Grosdemange (2006-05-30 00:57:56)
like in normal chess ...
the value are in general ...
they depend on the position , like in normal chess .
but here , the "pair of bishop" has another dimension ^^
Trent Parker (2006-05-30 01:50:25)
Quoting Thibault..... My response
Feel free to tell me how you imagine this team championship ? How many players by team ?
I think only 4 per team would be needed. If there are big countries perhaps they could have multiple teams eg. France A, France B etc etc. Four seems to be the best number. It is used in the OTB Olympiad.
Should the teams have a leader (would designate players, or selected by elo ?) ?
IMHO ELO would be best.
Knockout or round-robin cycle ?
I'd prefer round robin. (although i might not have a team yet :D )
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-30 13:23:44)
1st SM chess tournament, elo 2443
The first FICGS CHESS SM tournament just started !
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_SM__000001.html
3 ICCF titled players, 1 FIDE GM, 1 IECG titled player, and 2 'newbies'.. :)
FEM norm : 3 points, FIM norm : 3.5 points, FSM norm : 4 points, FGM norm : 4.5 points...
Have good games !
Lionel Vidal (2006-05-31 21:15:10)
Weiqi komi
Hello,
Thanks for that link: it is indeed a good reading. I would suggest also to read the chapter on the rules of Go in 'The go player's almanac' (Bozulich 2001), that gives much more details.
By reading these, you can see that half a point komi is indeed quite uncommon :-)
But an important point is that it should probably depend on the chosen rule, or more precisely on the counting mode, area or territory.
BTW, what is the counting rules here in FICGS ?
Note that this rule question may be quite critical on some life-and-death situation and may change the result of a game! And some of the simplest cases (like bent four in the corner) can arise not too uncommonly.
Lionel
Wayne Lowrance (2006-06-01 02:52:44)
Other chess websites
Url u asked 4, http://pacific-mall.com/chess/ sign in as guest or create a user name. very simple. I am globalpac. my e-mail address is yagi90250@yahoo.com future responses concerning that site should be addressed via e-mail. I dont wish to sound promoting here, that is not the case..thanks Wayne
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-01 12:46:14)
Go rules
Hello,
Even if a well chosen komi rules out scoring draws, you still have the problem of infinite repetition.
Traditionally, a game in which a triple ko or other infinitely repeating position arises is annulled, or treated as draw or replayed.
Some rules (New Zealnd, USA, SST) deal with these positions by stating that a player cannot make exactly the same position on the whole board twice. (Note that it is then not always easy without computer assistance to determine the legality of a move).
The chinese rule (at least the 1988 official one) also forbids reappearance of the same board position, but in some situation this is not enough to prevent a draw: in some cases neither player want to start a sequence and keep passing to avoid solving a situation at their disadvantage. (and to forbid passes triggers others worse problems...).
As you see, the situation is quite complex, and while rules of Go seem simple, their precise definition is not easy. In practice, you eventually have to rely on the sportmanship of the players or on a referee decision.
Personally I have played till now only under the japanese rule, and in case of problems (very rare as this rule is quite detailled, but then rather complex in its exceptions handling), a senior player says the truth, and, at least in Japan, this truth is undisputed and becomes the laws :-)... quite simple!
Lionel
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-01 15:02:56)
Infinite repetition
Well, it might work, but that seems unfair to black IMO, because it creates discrepancies in the rules depending on you being sente or gote.
Admitedly, the komi can be seen as such discrepancy, but all it does is forcing sente to be bit more aggresive, the stategy and tactics, the feeling of the game being globally the same. What you propose would induce a kind of strategic play on the rules... not really Go anymore!
I realise I may not be clear: as an extreme example of rules discrepanies, just consider Renju. Here the rules are different for sente and gote and the strategy is indeed really different for both! While this is fine in Renju, because actually it became the heart of the game, I do not think Go needs it.
Besides, it would spoil somehow IMO the aesthetic feeling of the game flow.
Just my opinions of course :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-01 15:37:17)
FICGS rules
No problem, the website may be quite unclear in some places. Anyway I have to improve many parts of it.
(FICGS, Lionel... FICGS :))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-01 15:47:28)
Replacement
I did not forget you, Ryaad. (time sometimes misses, sorry to your opponents..)
Does anyone would accept to replace Ryaad in the first Go tournament that started a few days ago ? Thanks in advance.
Reminder : If players wish to qualify for the FICGS Go championship, they must be among the 11 players who obtained the best results in Go tournaments (see rules).
I think 2 (maybe 3 if the number of players increase quickly) victories in tournaments should assure a place in the WCH tournament.
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-01 15:56:41)
Replacement
I will be glad to play in that tournament: first time I will not play go face to face... I forsee an nice new experience!
Best wishes.
Michael Aigner (2006-06-01 20:48:46)
FICGS reminder
I have a lot of time left in all off my games and got the following reminser mail.
Did anyone get the same strange mail?
This is a reminder.
You did not connect to FICGS for 13275 days.
You may have running games that will be lost on time.
If you don't want to receive any reminder, you can turn off the notification options in preferences. There will be no more than 3 consecutive reminders.
This email was generated automatically by http://www.ficgs.com/
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-01 22:17:30)
Go rules
I don't quite understand what kind of problems with draws remains with FICGS (sic!) rules: as passing is not allowed, if you add the non repetition of the same whole board position and a non integer komi, I do not see how a draw is still possible.
BUT... this solution does actually not solve anything as I don't think you can forbid passing (as a matter of fact, I checked the official japanese, chinese, new-zealand, AGA (USA) and SST rules: pass is allowed and needed)
The main reason is, IMO, that you need a legal way to end the game (double pass). And yes there are situations where the best move for BOTH players is NOT to move at all in the area: the simplest case I can think of is thousand-year kos, which in the case of japanese rule usually end in seki.
Note that a single pass (that is the game goes on after it) can change the difference in scores in area mode: the AGA rule introduces the concept of pass stone to compensate and insists on white making the last move (if necessary with an additional pass and pass stone) to ensure that the total number of stones played by the two players are equal!
(BTW this is one of the reasons, admitedly far behind familiarity, why I prefer the japanese rule in face to face go)
To sum things up (!!), while I agree that FICGS could develop its own set of rules, I feel that the subject is too complex and error-prone, and has been long, and still is, disputed by highly competent authorities : why not use the result of their work?
I would add that the point of all this is rather moot if you consider that situation like triple ko and alii are indeed rather rare: why not stricly stick to, say, the official chinese rule, and replay the game by referee decision in the rare cases where neither playing side will yield?
oh, but I could also check what they do in the kiseido server ?!?
oh, and do take what I say with great caution: I don't feel and I am certainly not competent enough on the subject! Any other advice over there? :-)
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-01 22:21:52)
Bug?
It seems that the postings are sometimes not in chronological order ? (see the last two posts)
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-02 16:28:11)
Go rules
It's me again :-)
What is the point of the special cases you chose? Why not simply follow the chinese rule? I reread it yesterday and
compared to what you say:
- reappearance of the same board position is forbidden (note that should be easy to check by computer with hash keys associated to positions)
- Seki is not really a special case in chinese rule (it is only in territory scoring): you count stones and enclosed vacant points; others vacant points are share equally.
- Winner is determined by comparing one's score to 180 1/2 (half number of points of the board).
- Komi: 2 3/4 points are deducted from black's score and added to white's.
- After both sides have agreed to end the game (that is after a double pass), if any unsettled positions remain on the board, both sides' stones are treated as alive (that is neat and solve most drawing problems)
- Basically a player that makes an illegal move loses his turn (i.e. in effect passes): that includes repeating the same position (why should white win in such a case?).
That sounds much cleaner IMO.
The only possible draw may be some very complex round robin kos, where the position keeps changing, but I guess we can forget it (and it should eventually been resoved by double pass anyway, even if one side is unhappy: see the preceding neat point).
BTW you can probably find the full text on the Web (I have only a paper version from the 1988 official rules of Chinese Weiqi Association).
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-02 17:48:34)
Go rules
Hello Lionel. I just read the 1988 version of the official rules of the Chinese Weiqi Association.
The point here is to play with the most interesting & fair rules, not 'official' ones or others if it could be improved...
Note that FICGS chess rules have a peculiarity : 50 moves rules isn't applied if the mate can be forced. FICGS chess world championship rules are not (of course) the rules used by FIDE. I spent much time thinking about rules which are IMO the best thing in this server and I think most players will appreciate these points.
I think avoiding draws in Go is interesting because energy consuming could be too different in some games and lead to unfair situations in tournaments.
Hash keys don't solve all problems, 'superko' situations could remain as draw, furthermore these special rules could avoid any ambiguity. It is clear, it brokes 'symmetry' and I feel it is fair enough.
Then, rules exist to be enforced ! :) .. More seriously, I'm not convinced these new rules don't make sense, even if it needs adjustments. Still inquiring, but unless I find (or you convince me :)) a solid argument in another way, I think I'll apply them.
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-02 18:12:34)
Hash keys and draws
Just to be sure I was clear: the aim of hash keys is just to enforce, I should really say to program, the rule of non repetition of positions; i.e. kos or super kos are irrelevant: if the resulting position occured before, then a move is not legal.
Then I am not sure how a draw could happen: let's say there is a superko running somewhere; either both players
eventually pass, letting the situation unsettled, with the unsettled stones declared alive.... or they play the kos and sooner or later (ok, later in case of superko!) the position will repeat, hence a forced pass, or be solved...
Do you have an example of situation that will not eventually lead to a repetition?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-02 20:39:25)
FICGS : Chinese rules !
You convinced me :)
(sorry, I didn't understand well some concepts before)
Good news : I have implemented the non-repetition rules with hash keys...
Now the rules are exactly CHINESE RULES with a 6.5 komi, which is the value which tends to be used in tournaments.
Thank you Lionel :-)
Karlheinz Weber (2006-06-02 22:41:15)
copy games to ChessBase
For me it´s still a very big problem that it´s impossible to copy a game to ChessBase. As far as I can see this is the only server without this possibility.
K.Weber
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-03 07:03:45)
Download chess games
Hello Karlheinz.
Ok, I'll make something today to download directly all finished chess games in PGN format ! Sorry, not much time before and I had to think about it a little, so that it uses as less resources as possible.
Lionel Vidal (2006-06-03 09:50:52)
Chinese rules
After reading the new rules (nice :-)), I have two suggestions:
- maybe you should cleary state that repetition of position leads to a loss (or does it? it is the way I understand the wording, but either way is possible), which is not the case in chinese rules (AFAIK at least in some versions, you just loose your turn).
- maybe you should announce somewhere (not in the rules of course) whether the already running games have to follow the new rules. Knowing the applied komi is important, even in fuseki.
Now let's try them :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-03 14:05:02)
Repetition of position
Repetition of position doesn't lead to a loss, as it's now impossible to make a move that provokes such a situation. (message would be 'Incorrect move'). So the pure Chinese rules apply.
The change of rules have been announced in the news (page 'My messages'). Everyone is supposed to read it, as it's the first page appearing when you log in.
Cheers.
Pablo Schmid (2006-06-04 15:30:51)
To De Vassal
Hello De Vassal, when I see my game against Höppenstein n°570, it tells that his move 18.. was illegal, but it wasn't and we continued to play. And each time I see the same problem.. Can you fix it please?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-05 14:11:42)
Rules : Forfeiting / Replacement
Hello to all.
As a few players stopped to play (forfeit) in their games, I answer here to questions from their opponents.
- Rated games lost on time / forfeited are not calculated for the winner's (only) rating if less than 10 moves have been played and position is equal.
- If a player forfeits in a rated tournament without having played a single move, his games will be lost and he will be replaced, ie. FICGS CHESS CLASS B 000003 ... furthermore, his account will be closed. (obvious cheating)
Best wishes.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-06-06 23:16:56)
No national teams here !
I left my own national federation and the whole ICCF system partly because I find those national teams championships at most boring and uninteresting and at worst reminiscent of some of the worst 20th century nationalistic concepts.
Why should we have national teams here ???
... to confirm that France is larger than Feroe islands and smaller than China ?
This is pretty ridiculous IMHO.
I can't see anything interesting in this idea.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-07 00:38:57)
Go / Chess
Hello Tommie.
I chose not to implement a Go rating system for several reasons, first and main is: a quite true correspondence Go rating may be very (!) long to achieve, maybe even impossible. It seems to me that the challenge could be elsewhere ie. tournament results, to qualify for the FICGS championship tournament.
About the rating list, so far all new players appear in a unique rating list, soon there will be an established rating list, a provisional rating list and a new player rating list.
About this rating for Ion (2600), where did you see it exactly ?
... at last what happens with the Go applet ? You have to click on 'game description'. If it doesn't work, feel free to tell me what game you try to watch and what happens... Thanks in advance :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-07 00:33:53)
To be or not to be...
Hello Marc.
That's an interesting point of view ! The first reason such a championship could be interesting IMO is, as Dinesh said, it may be a good way of building relationship and camaraderie between players... I don't think this tournament will be a kind of stake for countries (so nationalism is probably very far from here, if it changes I'll reconsider this point), it's not very important and has positive points, so I just say "why not ?"
Marc Lacrosse (2006-06-09 09:21:54)
I cannot understand ...
To Trent Parker :
you say :
"I think the teams should be geographical at least"
This is really something that I cannot even understand.
In which way is my way of playing correspondence chess related to the place where I live or where I am born???
Is my kind of play "belgian" ?
Or is it "brown-haired", or "butter-cooked", or ...
Why shouldn't I be allowed to find a few friends from all over the world that play the same kind of unusual openings than myself to build a team ?
IMHO this kind of team could well have a better signification than a one made of chess players of the same country or of the same geographical region.
Anyway the idea itself of "correspondence chess teams" is completely strange for me. Does it mean that collaboration between members for the choice of the moves is allowed ?
This is at the exact opposite of what I feel to be the minimum requirement for a meaningful correspondence chess competition to survive : anything allowed (books, computers, databases) except human advice, and at least one single human name alone identified as the single "author" of the moves ...
So, why teams at all...
Marc
Julien Baudement (2006-06-09 10:03:24)
Nouvelles fonctionnalités
Avant tout, Bravo pour le site sur lequel je prend beaucoup de plaisir.
J'aimerais soumettre des modifications à apporter qui pourraient encore améliorer:
1) possibilité de contacter directement le webmestre...
2) possibilité de proposer une partie à un joueur quelconque sans passer par le mode tournoi. En effet, on est tenu de jouer toutes les parties dans ce système, mais peut etre que certains préfèreraient pouvoir n'en jouer qu'une à la fois !
En tout cas, encore bravo pour tout ce travail !
Ikki
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-09 14:34:14)
Email webmaster, 2 players matches
Bonjour Julien, merci :)
My email is displayed (just replace the symbol by @) on the 'About' page.
As I explained in another (old) thread, priorities are to reduce the delay for tournaments to start and to make it as simple as possible. As this server offers all games live, I think it to be 'competition oriented' is the best choice. It would be easy to offer many sorts of tournaments, rated/unrated, different time controls, quad/round-robin/ko etc... but it would loose his interest.
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-13 11:35:10)
help (2 players matches)
i would like to know if it is possible to challenge an individual for a game. ie. I would like to play vs Nigel Davis but dont know how to challenge him.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-13 18:28:54)
FICGS chess world championship 1 & 2
Hello to all.
FICGS chess world championship deadline (2006 june 15) is 2 days far from now ! Here is the scheme, allowing all players who registered to start playing at the same time, without loosing the opportunity for new players to register at a later date :
As 2300+ players will enter the cycle at stage 2, the idea is to start 1st (from stage 2) and 2nd (from stage 1) world championship at the same time. Thus, all tournaments will begin at the fixed date for all players who already registered, then a new deadline will be fixed (probably in august/september), and all players registering late for chess wch would begin a tournament each time there's enough new players in the waiting list, with the condition that the ELO average of these new tournaments be equal or superior (as few as possible) to the tournaments that began on June 15.
And good luck to all... :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-13 19:20:19)
1st (stage 2) and 2nd (stage 1)...
Ok :)
The rules state that 2300+ players enter stage 2 of wch cycle directly. If we begin now a cycle at stage 1, they couldn't play before a while... So if first wch begin at stage 2 with 2300+ players and second at stage 1 with 2300- players at the same time, everyone can play !
Furthermore, the 1st wch will begin earlier, "a stage before", that's logical.
2300+ players registering lately could enter the 1st wch at stage 2, 2300- players registering lately could enter the 2nd wch at stage 1.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-14 08:12:37)
FICGS 1st chess world championship
That's right.
However, it's more like an extra championship, it doesn't change anything for players rated under 2300, ie. a player rated 1700 who register next year couldn't play the 2nd FICGS chess championship since 2nd stage begin... But he could register for the 3rd wch.
The positive points are everyone can play immediately and 2nd wch could be a complete cycle (with a final match)
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-06-14 12:08:12)
FICGS 1st chess world championship
Hello Thibault
I don't like your rules. I think it would have been better if all players start in the 1st wch (this time and in future cycles). It would be more attractive for the most players. What do you think is the rating average of the 1st stage groups?
I cannot remember that the 2300-restriction was in the rules when I have registered ...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-14 13:15:33)
FICGS 1st chess world championship
Hello Heinz-Georg !
It's only a logical extension to the rule that divide the championship in a round-robin and a knockout (for the 8 best rated players) tournament. Of course, there's no rule that fit to everyone, only choices... I hope to make the most balanced ones for the whole site.
By this rule, high rated players have a stage less to play (that they would probably win) and it limits the rating gaps (otherwise it would be more like a cup). In most wch competitions, winners and high rated players/teams are qualified for an advanced stage in the tournament.. A quite common and logical system, used everywhere from football world cup [winner qualified for quarter final] to Roland-Garros [qualifications stage], FIDE world championship etc... 2300 rule is a statistical choice, used in IECG too with more parameters. (nevertheless at IECG high rated players can choose to play the first stage too, but IMO it's quite complicate)
I hope to make it as simple and attractive as possible, believe me ;) Of course (and it is mentioned in the rules- preliminaries) rules could still evolve if improvements are decided by the [future] council.
The only negative point is, indeed, only 2300+ players can play the 1st wch, that is in a way not a "complete" championship. But compared to all other positive points (first, everyone can play now), and as 2nd wch starts at the same time, I think this choice is best.
What I think to do is to send all tournament tables to players who registered on 2006 june 16. If finally there are players who don't want to play it, they'll just have to tell me within days, responding by email. It should avoid any forfeit.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-06-14 14:40:34)
FICGS 1st chess world championship
Hello Thibault!
Thank you for your answer.
Two points:
It isn't sure at all that a player with a rating > 2400 will win his group if he had to play a 1st stage group. The CFC-Ch 2003 has shown, that less than 50 percent of the best rating players (even players with rating > 2600) have won their qualification groups.
In the moment we have about 100 players with a rating < 2300 who have registered themselves for the wch. Their rating avarage is about 1720 (!). Is that right? This means (if I understand your rules) the wch groups of the 1st stage will have this rating (+ or - some points). In these groups for a 2200 player it is nearly impossible (even as winner of a group) to get a tournament performance > 2050 (I suspect that this is the reason that players with rating > 2300 not have to play this stage). After the first stage the distance to 2300 will be greater than before.
I have registered myself and I will play. But I'm not really satisfied with that situation.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-14 15:02:11)
Statistics, ELO and performances
For sure, there could be a great work to do with statistics to improve little by little the rules, then we have to find the balance between easy-to-run (and understanding) rules and best ones, but I'm not sure we could improve significantly more, I'll explain why just below. Anyway that's good discussion ! :)
About performance, that's not quite true a 2200 player couldn't perform more than 2050 in stage 1. The rating system do not take account of wins when the ELO difference is superior to 350 points ! So if a 2200 player win all his games with only 2 games (ie. against 2 players rated 1900) calculated, his performance is more than 2400. Now if a 2500 player play stage 1, probably all his games won't be rated at all... Not very interesting :/
Dorel Oltean (2006-06-15 13:14:09)
Criteria
In round-robin qualifing criteria is first number of points and then rating?
In round-robin tournaments one can choose other criteria, after points, like Soneborn, number of wins, .., related to the performance one made.
In rating list there are a lot of "provisional" ratings , which will become much too important.
Daniel De Noose (2006-06-15 15:17:03)
Not very satisfy too...
Like Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff, when I registered the tournament it was announced as 1st championship and open to everyone. I don't like when rules change after the registration.
Secundo, if you only reserve this 1st tournament to players with rating over 2300, you can change my rating : on the "correspondence" chess site chess-mail I'm over 2370. But as I said to you when I began here I want to improve my real rating beginning like an unrated. But if now the rating is so important to play the 1st championship, I prefer to be correctly rated.
Hoping you'll change all this and play really the 1st championship with everybody.
My actual rating in "correspondence chess" :
- chess-mail : kasapov (2370)
- echecsemail : danideno (2280)
- echecsnet : danideno (2271; but it is the highest rating of this site)
Daniel
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-15 16:36:17)
Criteria
Hello Dorel and Daniel.
As you noticed, rating is quite important in FICGS world championship cycle (particularly established ratings, obtained from IECG / ICCF or after 9 games finished in FICGS) !
I think these rules are really the best choice in order to designate a world champion. It's more logical IMO to favour players who obtained previously the best results in FICGS and recognized organizations, and consequently a high rating. It takes time, of course. Even very strong players starting with a 1700 rating won't achieve a 2300 established rating before months !
Criterias in FICGS wch are (from most important to least) :
1) Winner of the previous cycle (qualify for the final match)
2) The eight best established ratings (play the KO tournament)
3) Points obtained in the wch tournaments
4) The tournament entry rating (TER)
Of course, there are some provisional ratings that will increase a lot, but it is not possible to grant a 2300 rating to any player saying so. It's already a lot of time gained that ratings from FIDE, ICCF, IECG be recognized.
Finally it is the same in IECG / ICCF : it's very hard to achieve a high rating, it's very hard to directly qualify for a 2nd stage too, it takes months, probably years in email chess...
Now, please consider this, if we start 1st wch at stage 1 : It won't change anything for your play, as the 1st stage of the 2nd wch is exactly the same... 2300+ players won't play before months... and if the rule is changed about 2300 mark and everyone playing 1st stage, probably all games for 2300+ players won't be rated with a 100% result... and at last it will be harder for you to qualify for 2nd stage...
It is a hard work to write rules as fair, balanced and interesting as possible. Rules can't satisfy everyone, sorry about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-15 17:51:02)
Candidate and World champion...
That's right, Daniel... In another hand, the 1st wch wouldn't be complete without a final match.
Here is a suggestion : What I called 1st wch wouldn't be named 1st wch, it would be only a cycle that will designate the 1st candidate for the 1st wch title and final match... The other one will be the winner of the 1st wch cycle. And both will play the first final match for the 1st wch title. Thus everyone can play immediately, and you play in the 1st world championship.
I think it could satisfy everybody.. !? What do you think ?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-06-16 11:35:05)
Elo rating calculation
Hello Thibault!
How are provisional ratings are treated?
Two notes to the rules:
1. You write: "Bonus is given by the Percentage (100 * Points / Games) obtained" and "If the percentage is negative, ..."
Percentage cannot be negative. I think you mean: If percentage < 50
2. You write "Please note that Bonus is limited to 470 points". Why do you write other values for 96-99 % in the Bonus-Table?
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-16 13:08:59)
thibault
thank you for your advice as you probaly saw I have registered for a tournament ( i think I am the only one...) I would be grateful if you could contact Nigel and let him know that i would be interested in playing him.
Regards
Amir
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-16 13:21:09)
:-)
Ce (léger ?!) retard en vaut vraiment la peine, je pense. Mieux vaut un système optimisé dès le départ que de le changer au fur et à mesure.
... il y avait de toutes façons de multiples bonnes raisons pour attendre encore un peu, l'essentiel est d'avoir pu en discuter (tout le monde n'ayant pas forcément fait attention aux changements successifs et nécessaires qui ont eu lieu dans les règles ce mois ci).
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-16 13:28:11)
Ok
Hello Amir. I'll let him know when I play my next move against him...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-16 14:13:29)
Statistics, ELO and performances
Time and ratings will answer to that... It takes a few months for ratings to find themselves ! The same in FIDE and wher'ever...
Next rating list will be calculated on july 1st. :-)
Pablo Schmid (2006-06-16 18:53:39)
...
Tournoi reporté au 1er soit disant pour que tout soit optimisé. Mais pourquoi avoir attendu le dernier moment pour commencer à modifier les règles? Surtout que les modifications ne font pas l'unanimité et qu'en général ça se fait pas de changer les règles en cours de route et cela sans vraiment avoir demandé l'avis des inscrits.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-16 19:24:41)
Retard et explications
Bonjour Pablo.
La règle de la qualification au 2ème tour des joueurs 2300+ ne date pas d'hier, et j'avais annoncé une mise à jour des règles. Les discussions n'arrivant souvent également qu'au dernier moment, je dirais seulement : Mieux vaut tard que jamais :)
.. mieux vaut changer des règles non-optimisées avant le début des tournois qu'entre deux cycles... Je le répète, les règles changeront tant qu'elles pourront être améliorées significativement (comme partout ailleurs). Il me faut un peu de temps pour adapter et trouver de nouvelles dénominations pour les tournois (notamment celui qui permettra aux joueurs classés 2300+ de jouer avant l'heure).
Le plus important reste que le championnat attire les joueurs ayant un classement élevé comme moins élevé. Dans les règles originales, de nombreux joueurs n'auraient pas pu jouer tout de suite. Un retard reste un retard, certes... Désolé pour cela, mais je pense que ça en vaut la peine.
Wayne Lowrance (2006-06-17 07:36:58)
rating calc
Welp, I am another innocent victim of starting off at 1400. When I signed on I wanted to start at the beginning, much like daniel. what I really did not pay attention to is the difficulty in climbing the ladder. My chess rating on other sites including CC cite is well over 2200. I started there at the bottom and figured I would do the same here. Not so fast. I have won one tourney here weith 6/6 score tourney allready and am have a perfect scored in a second one with 3 games to go. and yet my expected rating is listed at 1805, cleary I am not a 1800 player. It is not my fault that I was forced to play in a tourney dominated by 1400 players. What you think. Not trying to cause trouble, just venting I guess. and the cite is nice, will continue playing, my best toya Wayne
p.s. do you think my playing in a 1400 tourney is fair to those players, hummm?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-17 19:56:11)
FICGS encyclopedia
Hello to all.
The FICGS Chess and Go encyclopedia just started ! (version beta)
This is a wikipedia-like encyclopedia, where you can write about everything related to Chess and Go in 184 languages...
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=encyclopedia
It will be improved soon with new features. Feel free to tell me what you think...
Tim Bredernitz (2006-06-18 16:35:30)
Confused...
I understand the rules of the tournament fairly well, but I'm still having trouble figuring out when the games will start. The last post says that the deadline is June 15, but when I check the waiting list it says the deadline is July 1st. I'd just like to know when the games will start being played.
Thank you.
Tim Bredernitz (2006-06-18 16:37:45)
Sorry
In my previous post there was a typo. Please excuse. "The last post" should be "The first post."
Thank you.
Tim Bredernitz (2006-06-18 16:52:34)
Chess Openings
Hi, I'm wondering what openings other players have experienced success with. I've primarily used the Ruy Lopez, but I've grown tired of it. I haven't really explored any queen's pawn openings, and I'm wondering which ones are effective.
Thanks.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-18 23:20:14)
Deadline / Start date
Hello Tim.
FICGS 1st wch will start on 2006 july 1st. A new deadline will be fixed, so that players can begin other tournaments lately, but all players who entered the waiting list already will begin their games on july 1st.
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-19 14:53:39)
1. d4
The move 1.d4 offers the same benefits to development and center control as does 1.e4, but unlike with the King Pawn openings where the e4 pawn is undefended after the first move, the d4 pawn is protected by White's queen. This slight difference has a tremendous effect on the opening. For instance, whereas the King's Gambit is rarely played today at the highest levels of chess, the Queen's Gambit remains a popular weapon at all levels of play. Also, compared with the King Pawn openings, transpositions between variations are more common and critical in the closed games.
White develops aiming for a particular formation without great concern over how Black chooses to defend. Both these systems are popular with club players because they are easy to learn, but are rarely used by professionals because a well prepared opponent playing Black can equalize fairly easily.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-19 15:13:45)
Chess Openings
Hi Tim.
What do you mean with Ruy Lopez ? There's IMO no opening better than other, it first depends on you play Black or White, who is your opponent (strength, favourite openings...), time controls..
Maybe you should specify your question... What opening against what move etc...
PS : I hope Amir will take a look at Wikichess, his opinion on chess openings would be very interesting to know ;)
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-06-19 15:45:34)
FICGS 1st wch
Hello Thibault!
It seems that I haven't really understood what will happen on July 1st. You write "Thus 1st wch is a complete cycle". Does this mean, that the knock-out tournaments of the 8 players with the highest established rating also will start (stage 1)? If not it is not a complete cycle according to FICGS (your) rules - in my opinion.
What happens if a player has a rating > 2300 at the beginning of stage 1 and a rating < 2300 at the beginning of stage 2? May he play stage 2?
What happens if a player has a rating < 2300 at the beginning of stage 1 and a rating > 2300 at the beginning of stage 2? May he play stage 2 even if he hasn't won his round robin group?
The rating at which time is essential?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-19 16:34:56)
GM special match
Hello to all.
From time to time, special events will take place on FICGS.
A 4-games match just started between GM Nigel Davies (GBR) and GM Amir Bagheri (FRA).
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__MATCH_EVENT__000001.html
I think we'll watch these games with interest :)
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-19 17:57:15)
Ruy Lopez
Tim,
i am now playing a Ruy Lopez in my game vs Nigel Davies. I will try to show that that old opening still have some surprises...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-19 18:42:16)
FICGS 1st world championship
Hello Heinz-Georg.
While watching the wch waiting list, I realized that there could be an improvement more about this "extra-group". So here is the 1st wch scheme (and next ones, without the special group in the first stage), according to the rules.
Stage 1 :
-- Knockout tournament --
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_2__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_3__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_4__000001
with John Anderson, Petr Makovsky, Daniel Cinca and 5 other players...
-- Round-robin tournaments --
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_2__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_3__000001
(...)
And at last, a special and one-time group :
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M__000001
This will be a high rated group, with GM Nigel Davies, GM Amir Bagheri and the ~10 players 2300+ who won't play the knockout tournament according to the rules. The winner of this group will directly qualify for stage 3 round-robin final tournament (a one-time rule). The others can play stage 2 as specified in the rules.
Thus, only the 1st wch will start on july 1st. I think it's fair enough and finally everyone can play...
Stage 2 :
-- Knockout tournament --
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_2__000001
-- Round-robin tournaments --
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_1__000001
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_2__000001
(...)
Stage 3 :
-- Knockout tournament --
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_KNOCKOUT_FINAL__000001
-- Round-robin tournament --
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_ROUND_ROBIN_FINAL__000001
Stage 4 :
-- Candidates match --
FICGS__CHESS__CANDIDATES_FINAL__000001
Stage 5 :
-- Title match --
FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000001
... if there's a world champion and if he defends his title. Consequently we won't have a stage 5 this time, but as it could happen again in the future...
That's all folks !
Tim Bredernitz (2006-06-19 23:02:26)
Thanks
Thanks to all, especially Amir. I'm curious as to your game number, and how you use the old Spanish game.
Also, Wolfgang makes a good point. I'm not sure the exact stats, but I'm pretty sure almost half or maybe more of the games played at the master level and above end in ties. Chess is a game of creating opportunities and executing against mistakes. Once a player gets to a certain skill level, I'm sure that it's rare that they make mistakes, so its harder for the opponent to win. One side will usually pull out the draw.
Thanks again,
Tim
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-20 15:33:57)
Sicilian Annoted game
Tim,
here is a game that I have annoted hope it will help
http://www.chessville.com/Bagheri/Short-Karpov.htm
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-20 16:05:08)
Sicilian opening & Kasparov
I quote from Amir analysis : "But if you want to win, the Sicilian is really the best choice."
I fully agree, I'll just add: but Sveshnikov sicilian :)
Actually, (not a surprise) you just have to see how Black pieces are conducted by Garry Kasparov in sicilian opening to understand what lines to follow, why it is the best choice... and why he became the best player of all times.
He simply always wanted to win, never draw... It is an illustration of a quote in this interesting (but failed) movie by Guy Ritchie, "Revolver" : "To win against a weaker opponent, you have to extend the game field."
Finally, it's the exact opposite of what Bobby Fischer said : "I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves". That's not enough IMO, chess openings are a psychologic battle that reflect the state of mind and will. It often decides in a way the result of the game, not by moves, but by the intention.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-06-20 16:48:35)
Re: "Revolver" movie......
Thibault,
I saw the movie "Revolver' too. It was very interesting...... a kind of psychological thriller. If I remember correctly, the last few memorable words of the movie were: "To Pull Off The Greatest Con Of All"......where the casino empire boss is conned/fooled into shooting himself!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-20 17:17:19)
Re: "Revolver" movie...... cinema UFO !
Yes :) ... I saw it in french version... It was really IMO one of the biggest deceptions of the year... probably because I expected a lot, when seeing this fantastic trailer.
This film should have been one of the greatest chess (games in general) relative movies. There was all matters, and many interesting philosophical thoughts... maybe not supported enough by the movie. And I suspect director Guy Ritchie of having voluntarily suicided the movie during the shooting... Luc Besson or other reasons... How to explain such fantastic pictures, then such obvious faults all long. The screenplay surely was better than the result.
Finally, cinema press judged it as totally pretentious and it was a commercial failure. That's a pity, really.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-22 17:56:59)
King's gambit and statistics...
Wayne, where did you find such (wrong) statistics ??
Gambit (the real thing) is IMO first a psychological attack, most useful against a weaker player... "The best way to refute is to accept it", one said... but queen's gambit is NOT a real gambit and for sure 2. ... dxc4 is not the best move... King's gambit is, but a perfect play most probably also leads to a draw.
Queen's gambit accepted statistics : 33% (1-0), 48% (1/2-1/2), 17% (0-1)
King's gambit statistics : 35% (1-0), 27% (1/2-1/2), 36% (0-1)
... in classical time controls.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-22 18:10:05)
Acceptance of gambits...
Amir, in my opinion gambit is only a move like another... It is a psychological choice that depends on the opponent strength and play. IMO a gambit is "justified" (like any move) if the game is not lost... nothing more. If a gambit doesn't lead to a draw with a perfect play, it is a fault. And this thread is a troll :)
Wayne Lowrance (2006-06-22 21:11:43)
interesting question for the Gambit's a
Sir let me explain, the stats are taken from A database of 1600 GM's. the statistic is taken prior to blacks response but assuming pxp. Of course the percentages varies as you go thru the book lines. Where did your statistics come from (e-mail me, dont want to continue with troll)?
Kings gambit with perfect play as you say leads to a draw.
That does not impress me much. I agree the best defence against a gambit is accept, I usually do.
Yes your right the thread is a troll, I apoligize for contributing but I found my self not being able to agree with where the last few topics were heading.
I do not accept this mind games thing excet against a very weak player playing a much stronger player. In this case I agree. I end the troll with this...Wayne
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-23 12:25:36)
Blindfolded Chess
THE chess-world (for there is a "world" in chess as in other matters) has lately been startled by a very extraordinary performance at one of the "divans" of the metropolis. A young American has played ten games at once, against an equal number of players, without, on his part, obtaining a single glimpse at any one of the chess-boards.
The feat is not new; but never before was it performed so triumphantly as in the present day. The writers who have ferreted out the early history of this beautiful game have found the name of one Tchelebi, who, nearly nine centuries ago, was able to play at chess without seeing the board. Many persons in the East acquired the art of playing by feeling instead of seeing pieces; but that is a very different affair, since in such a case the sense of touch comes in aid of the memory. In 1266, a Saragen, named Buzecca, came to Florence and at the Palazzo del Popolo played three games at once, looking at one board, but not at the other two. He won two of the games, and made a drawn or abandoned game of the other. As all his competitors were skilful players, his achievement caused irrepressible astonishment. At various times, in later centuries, this mode of play was exhibited by different persons--Ruy Lopez, the author of one of the earliest treatises on chess; Mangiolini of Florence, Zerone, Medrano, Leonardo da Cutri, Paolo Boi, Salvio, and others, many of whom were Spaniards. Boi is reputed to have played three games at once without seeing the board. Damiano, an Italian, who wrote a treatise on chess more than three centuries and a half ago, gave what he called the "Rules" for learning to play without seeing the board; but his rules are worth very little, amounting chiefly to a recommendation to cultivate the memory. Keysler, in his Account of Turin (1749), says: "The late Father Sacchieri, Lecturer on Mathematics at Pavia, was a remarkable instance of the strength of the human understanding, particularly that faculty of the soul we term memory. He could play at chess with three different persons at the same time, even without seeing any one of the three chess-boards. He required no more than that his substitute should tell him what piece his antagonist had moved, and Sacchieri could direct what step was to be taken on his side, holding, at the same time, conversation with the company present. If any dispute arose about the place where any piece should be, he could tell every move that had been made, not only by himself, but by his antagonist, from the beginning of the game, and in this manner incontestably decided the proper place of the piece. This uncommon dexterity at the game of chess appears to me almost the greatest instance that can be produced of a surprising memory."
The most celebrated player of the last century, however, in this peculiar achievement, was the Frenchman Andre Danican, who then, and afterwards, was generally known by the name of Philidor. In 1743, when Philidor was about eighteen years old, M. de Legalle asked him whether he had ever tried to play from memory, without seeing the board. The youth replied, that as had calculated moves, and even whole games, at night in bed, he thought he could do it. He immediately played a game with the Abbe Chenard, which he won without seeing the board. After that, a little practice enabled him to play nearly as well in this as in the ordinary fashion--sometimes two games at once. The French Cyclopedie told of a particular game in which a false move was purposely made by his antagonist; Philidor discovered it after many moves, and replaced the pieces in their proper position. Forty years afterwards, he was residing in England, where he astonished English players by his blindfold achievements at a chess-club in St. James' Street. He played three games at once, with Count Bruhl, Mr. Bowdler, and Mr. Maseres, the first two of whom were reputed the best players at that time in England. Philidor won two of the games, and drew the third, all within two hours. On another occasion, in the same year (1788), he played three games at once, blindfold as before, and giving the odds of pawn and move to one of his antagonists; again did he win two of the games, and draw the third. His demeanor during these labors surprised his visitors as much as his skill, for he kept up a lively conversation during his games.
Many eminent chess-players, including M'Donnell, La Bourdonnaye, Staunton, etc., have achieved these blindfold wonders, in greater or less degree, since the days of Philidor. M'Donnell, a famous player about thirty years ago, played his moves even more rapidly without than with the board; he did not object to any amount of conversation in the room during his play, but disliked whispers. La Bourdonnaye could play within a shade of his full strength without seeing the board; he won against good players, on some occasions two at a time; but when trying the threefold labor, his brain nearly gave way, and he wisely abandoned all such modes of playing his favorite game. Mr. Staunton, the leading English player at present (but who has almost ceased to play since he undertook the editing of an edition of Shakespeare), some years ago played many blindfold games with Harrwitz and Kieseritzky, foreign players of note.
Amir Bagheri (2006-06-23 12:26:28)
Blinfolded chess ( part II )
Very recently, however, all the honors of Europe, in this department of indoor games, have been run away with by two young Americans, Morphy and Paulsen. Paul Morphy, a native of New Orleans, seemed to be born with chess in his blood; he played almost from childhood; and at thirteen years of age he proved a formidable antagonist to Herr Lowenthal, a noted Hungarian. In 1857, when just twenty years of age, Morphy encountered Paulsen, a native of Iowa, only a little older than himself, at a chess congress in New Orleans (Editor: It was New York!). All the gray-beards struck their flag to Paulsen, and then he struck to Morphy. Of Morphy's subsequent achievements in regular play, which stamp him as perhaps the first living chess-player (we say this with fear and trembling; however, for the knights of the game are a sensitive race), we will not speak here, for our purpose is only to notice the blindfold performances. At the chess congress above mentioned, he finely played a blindfold game with a leading German player. Early in 1858, he struck the New Orleanists with amazement by playing six games simultaneously, without seeing any other the boards; winning five of them, and exhibiting beautiful play throughout. He then came to Europe, not only to "lick the Britishers," but "all creation;" and it must be admitted that he made great progress towards that achievement. At a meeting of the Chess Association at Birmingham, in August 1858, he played eight games simultaneously, without sight of the boards. His opponents were Lord Lyttelton, and seven other persons, mostly presidents or secretaries of provincial chess clubs. Against such players, and under such tremendous conditions, he won no less than six games out of the eight, drawing a seventh, and losing the eighth. In the following month, he went over and astonished the Parisians in a similar way; he contended blindfold against eight practised players at once, at the Cafe de la Regence, a famous resort of chess-players; and out of these did not lose even one; he was the victor in six, and drew the other two. In the spring of 1859, Morphy contended against eight of the most experienced members of the London Chess Club, including Mr. Mongredien and Mr. Walker, two distinguished players. He won two games, and drew the other six--all the players except himself being wearied out by a very protracted sitting. A few days afterwards, he played with eight members of the St. George's Chess Club, including Lord Cremorne, Lord Arthur Hay, and Captain Kennedy; he won five, and the rest were drawn through want of time to finish them.
Nevertheless, inconceivable as these mental labors are, Morphy yields to Paulsen in blindfold play. There are whispers of twelve or fifteen games having been tried simultaneously by the latter; but the number ten has been most certainly reached, under conditions of the utmost publicity.
On the 7th of October in the present year, at a Divan in the Strand, ten players accepted Mr. Paulsen's challenge to grapple with them all simultaneously, the boards being placed out of his sight. One of the players was M. Sabouroff, secretary to the Russian Embassy in London; the other nine comprised many names well known among chess-players. Ten chess-boards were placed on ten tables in the room. An arm-chair, turned away towards a window, was mounted on a dais. At two o'clock in the afternoon, Mr. Paulsen, a quiet, courteous young man, with not a trace of "brag" in him, took his seat in this arm-chair. For twelve mortal hours he never rose, never ate, never smoked, and drank nothing but a little lemonade. What were his mental labors during that time, we shall see. His ten antagonists took their seats at the ten tables; and each table speedily became the centre of a group of spectators, whose comments were not always so silent as in fairness they ought to have been. Paulsen could not see any of the chess-boards. Herr Kling, a noted player and teacher of chess, acted as general manager. He called the boards by numbers--No. 1 to No. 10. Paulsen audibly announced his first move for board No. 1; Kling made that move; the antagonist replied to it; Kling audibly announced the reply; Paulsen considered what should be his second move, and when he had audibly announced his decision, Kling made the proper move on the board. Here No. 1 rested for awhile. No. 2 now made his move, leading to the same course of proceeding as before. Then No. 3 in the same way; then No. 4; and so on to No. 10; after which No. 1 began a new cycle, by playing a second move; and thus they proceeded over and over again.
Now let us see what all this implies and involves. Chess is not one of the most frolicsome of games; indeed, ladies generally declare it to be very dull, seeing that a chess-player is apt to be "grumpy" if spoken to on other matters while playing. The truth is, there is a demand for much mental work in managing a game well; the combinations and subtleties, the attacks and counter-attacks, are so numerous and varied, as to keep the mind pretty fully occupied. Nevertheless, a fine game between two fine players is mere child's play compared with this wonderful achievement of Paulsen. He was obliged to form ten mental pictures; and every picture changed with every move, like the colored bits in a kaleidoscope. Most persons, even though knowing nothing of the game, are aware that it begins with thirty-two pieces of different colors and forms, and that these move about over a board of sixty-four squares. After every change of position in any one of the pieces, Paulsen must have changed his mental picture of the board, the field of battle, and then made that a fixture until the next move was made. This is hard enough in even one game, against an antagonist who has his eyes to help him in planning attacks and defences; but how hard must it be against ten! It is difficult to conceive what is the condition of the mental machinery under such circumstances; and yet, there he sat, the calmest man in the room. When told of his antagonist's doings, one by one, he looked quietly out of window, and rubbed his chin, as a man often does when thinking, and then announced his move--never mistaking No. 1 for No. 7, No. 9 for No. 3--never failing to recover the proper mental picture, and making the proper change in it; never embarrassed; never making an unlawful move, or likely to lose sight (mental sight) of any unlawful move made by his antagonists. Nor did he obtain the least pause for mental rest. Without one minute's interval, as soon as he had announced a move for one board, he was required to attend to the move of another antagonist at another board. Hour after hour did this continue--all the afternoon, all the evening, midnight, until two in the morning. He made two hundred and seventy moves in the twelve hours, twenty-seven per game average; this gave two minutes and a quarter for the consideration of each move. As all his moves were met by corresponding moves on the part of his antagonists, he was called upon to form five hundred and forty complete mental pictures in twelve consecutive hours, each picture representing the exact mode in which all of the sixty-four squares of a chess-board were occupied. Paulsen won two games, lost three, and drew five.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-27 16:58:03)
FICGS world chess championship
A minor update in the rules that fixes many problems for future wch cycles... Nothing has changed in the rules for the 1st cycle that begins in 4 days, changes only concern next cycles, with the extension of the one-time rule mentioned above.
The equation was :
- No confusion with the cycles when entering the waiting list (2300+ players qualified for 2nd stage of the previous cycle is too confusing).
- Avoiding tournaments with too big rating gaps (and encourage high rated players to participate)
- The formula combining knockout tournament, round-robin cycle (so that everyone can play wch, with no more than 5 stages), and the final 2 players matches in the last stages.
- Making it as understable as possible...
It is now mentioned in the rules that 2300+ players will play 1st stage in high rated groups (ratings superior or equal to 2300). Winners of such groups (same criterias) will be qualified for the 3rd stage round-robin tournament, the others will play 2nd stage.
As all games are played with rapid time controls, a new cycle will probably begin every 6 months !
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2006-06-30 10:50:31)
Forfeit problem
Game 934 (chess)
White clock - 30 days 23:29:09
Black clock - Out of time.
[Event "FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_C__000002"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2006.05.31"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Guralivu,Paul-Iosif"]
[Black "Alessandrini,Alfredo"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "1293"]
[BlackElo "1400"]
1.e4 *
Should this game be forfeit ?
Should all the games of Mr. Alessandrini be forfeit ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-30 12:50:53)
Games lost on time
Hello Paul-Iosif.
When a game is lost on time you just have to wait a few hours and the game is adjudicated automatically.
I'll try to make a replacement in the tournament soon. You may have noticed that the game has been rated as a loss for your opponent, but not as a win for you, according to the rules cause less than 10 moves have been played.
John Knudsen (2006-07-01 17:17:01)
Format For Championship?!
8 games with 1 player at one time?! That is rather unusual, to say the least. I have never heard of such a thing...
What is the reasoning behind that?
John
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-01 17:20:35)
1st FICGS chess championship started !
Hello to all.
As you may have noticed, 23 new tournaments just started :
http://www.ficgs.com/category__ficgs__chess__wch.html
4 matchs (quarter final) started in the knockout tournament
QF 1 : John Anderson (SM) - Farit Balabaev (GM)
QF 2 : Daniel Cinca - Peter Schuster (SM)
QF 3 : Gilles Hervet (SM) - Gino Figlio (IM)
QF 4 : Petr Makovsky (SM) - John Knudsen (SM)
19 tournaments (groups) started in the round-robin cycle, 17 tournaments with an elo average between 1672 and 1732 (16 tournaments of 17 are in a 32 points range), and 2 "group M" with an elo average about 2390.
All round-robin tournaments are groups of 7 players as it was the best way to make it fair.
I wish you all good games and have fun :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-01 17:44:41)
Format For Championship
Hello John.
After all, if it wasn't unusual, the interest would be lower for sure... :)
So you noticed, the 8 players with the highest established correspondence chess ratings play a pure knockout tournament.
I thought about this format a long time ago (and a long time). Combining a knockout tournament (more "spectacular") and a round-robin cycle (everyone can play, no more than 5 cycles) gather together the advantages of both. It is one of the reasons I made FICGS... I think pure knockout or pure round-robin wch cycle is not efficient enough for chess championships.
The other thing you'll notice in the rules : "The special rule is that in case of equality (4-4), the winner is the player with the strongest tournament entry rating if all games are draw, the player with the lowest tournament entry rating if not all games are draw. The winner is qualified for the next stage."
This rule (in case of equality in the round-robin tournaments, the player with the strongest TER is qualified too) is another way to avoid short draws... It may sound strange at a first sight, but I really think it's fair enough and a good way to find most probably the really strongest players in the last stages. Anyway, it's amazing for sure :)
The FICGS chess wch rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tournament
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-02 12:52:15)
rules & ratings
Hello Peter.
Indeed, you were one of the very first registered players. I have fixed the rules since this time, though it seems to me this point was the same already.
Anyway, ratings of course are not only informative (like in life :)), as it allows to play class tournaments. Now, there must be a way to choose a winner in certain cases, even if there's no "perfect" way. But if you win the tournament, there's no discussion. It only lights the battle a little more... When a player register he can ask for a >1700 rating only if he has got an "official" rating already, so the influence of choice is not so important at registration.
Your reference to 1789 is amazing, but actually we ARE equal before the law (rules). Doesn't mean the law is perfectly fair, that's impossible, of course. Like in life... The rules slightly favourize the best players. Je t'embrasse itou :)
David Grosdemange (2006-07-02 18:53:50)
qualification for 2nd round ?
how many players will be qualified for the 2nd round of the round robin tournaments ???
that's not written in the rules .....
how many groups of how many players for the 2nd round ??
and 17 is a prime number ... so there won't be the same number of qualified players in each group (or the groups of the 2nd group won't have same number of players) ......
there's a lot of not ansered questions ...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-03 18:58:48)
Remaining time
Hello Pablo.
There's no problem :)
Last move by your opponent has been played on 2006 may 14, 50 days ago. The rules state that no move shall be played in more than 60 days. Your remaining time for the game is 35 days, so you just have to play one move, and the 9 days limit will disappear, your clock will be only 35 days. If you don't play a single move before 9 more days, the game will be lost on time.
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 01:07:56)
Symmetrical games
The format used(8-game match with simultaneous games, 4 white and 4 black) brings up the issue of avoiding symmetrical games. I don't see a perfect way of doing this other than being conscious of the problem, and trying to deviate early on. If I see an opening chosen by my opponent that I am also planning to use, I have waited to respond in one(or more) of the games, until the position reached a point where I would normal deviate, and choose an alternate move with the opposite colour.
Anyone else with better ideas about how to avoid this problem?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 01:25:41)
Go rating list
Hello Sebastian.
So it was a GO rating about Ion... (I did not understand that :/)
Still thinking about a Go rating list... If I implement something would it be better to have only informative ratings (from federations) or rating calculated from the games played here (probably not very relevant) ?
Anyway, players who didn't play a single chess game with a rating <1700 (~not from FIDE / IECG / ICCF) won't appear on the chess rating list in a while.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 01:52:31)
Symmetrical games
Hello Gino.
What do you mean "symmetrical games" exactly ? (time is an important element)
First case, a player copies move after move another game played at the same time (a move after). Cheating is obvious and it's forbidden (rules)...
Second case, a game is symmetrical but moves are not played "at the same time" : It means suicide in the match for the player who has to win, with either Black or White... The same about the games played by the same player as White, there's no interest to play the same openings, as it would save his opponent's energy and loose chances to provoke a fault.
I had seen you were waiting to move with black in your match, but you can play the same opening with Black, it's up to your opponent to play different openings, otherwise it's good for you...
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 04:06:08)
Symmetrical games
I meant 2 identical games played with different colours usually against different opponents, but in this case against the same person. I'm sorry for not reading the rules, but there is no way to prove in simultaneous games, who is copying who since known theory in certain openings reaches 20+ moves.
However, if someone delays his response until the opponent makes a decision in a critical point of the opening, he can then play the same opening without fear knowing that once that point is reached, he will make a different move.
John Knudsen (2006-07-04 05:31:49)
Symmetrical games
This format (8 games against the same player at once) is really strange and not normal at all, IMHO.
Don't get me wrong - I am enjoying my games.
I would not recommend this format for future versions of the quarter-final. Most strong players that I know would not even consider playing in this kind of format for one minute. Better to have a RR, with X number of players advancing from that.
If you wish to make the championship attractive to stronger players, you won't want to repeat this format in the future.
John
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 12:02:45)
triche et fair-play
Bonjour Henri-Louis.
Encore une fois cela fait partie intégrante du jeu par correspondance... Il n'est pas rare que les joueurs "gèrent" leurs défaites et victoires dans le temps pour les faire coincider avec les calculs de classement de leur choix. Le problème est identique à l'ICCF et ailleurs, et il n'y a aucune solution ou règle raisonnable pouvant régler le problème. Lorsqu'on a compris que le jeu par correspondance est une question de plusieurs mois, on finit par comprendre que le problème est somme toute négligeable...
De nombreuses parties jouées sur le serveur sont jouées beaucoup plus rapidement qu'à la normale, cela n'empêche qu'il s'agit d'échecs par correspondance, avec la cadence du jeu par correspondance. Diminuer le temps par coup ne changerait absolument pas le problème si tu y réfléchis bien. Quoiqu'il en soit, concernant la partie dont tu avais fait appel, qu'elle se termine maintenant ou fin aout, ça ne change rien, elle sera prise en compte dans le classement de septembre.
Pour finir, je rappelle qu'il existe une cadence "rapide" (tournois rapides, championnat), c'est donc le choix de chacun. Patience :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 12:17:36)
Symmetrical games
Playing the same opening until move 20 is not a problem IMO, particularly in correspondence chess nowadays...
John, about the format, that's interesting discussing... Why wouldn't it be "normal" in your opinion ? Not usual for sure, as round-robin tournaments are used everywhere in correspondence chess. So it will be a surprise for hardened CC players, but will it be for OTB players ? Why the "match format" couldn't be an acceptable alternative ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 16:55:10)
Symmetrical games
I don't understand how it could be a problem. If one consider a critical position at the end of the opening (ie. clear advantage for White), who plays White first knows the position is bad for Black... Why would he play the same opening with Black ? It's a wrong question IMO, there are very few cases where there's only a "good" move until the end of the game.
Anyway, this question is even more relevant when playing different tournaments in different organizations (a player may respond moves played by an opponent in a game at IECG in another game at ICCF....) than in two players matches. Nothing can prevent that, but what a shame and where's the satisfaction ? I think it's not a problem there.
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 17:55:59)
Symmetrical games
Chess is not a draw yet, someone wins in 70% of the cases(40% white, 30% black), the farther you go identical in two games, the more likely the player on move will find the critical position where only one player wins, even if one is weaker than the other. Players of similar strength or chess knowledge will realize this during the game, once the puzzle of a position becomes more clear, after every move.
John Knudsen (2006-07-04 18:50:05)
Symmetrical games
Hi Thibault:
The format is unusual, and not desired, IMHO, because you do not need an 8-game match with one opponent to determine who is the superior player. Think about it - it is 4 games with white, and 4 games with black. Overkill.
You mention OTB chess players. What OTB player has played an 8-game match with the same opponent, lately? Never happens. It also never happens in serious correspondence chess, except here.
I do not want to complain too much, because I thank you for the neat server, and the opportunity to play some serious games for free.
However, the format will need to change, in the future, if you want to attract excellent players.
John
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 18:54:07)
Difficult to prove
If it's difficult to prove who is "cheating" in a match like this, it's practically impossible to prove foul play when the incident occurs in 2 different tournaments, against 2 different opponents. I'm sure this has happened in ICCF but unfortunately there is no way to detect it. I remember chessfriend claimed to have this figured out, but it was just one person's opinion. Players need to be aware of this problem and avoid it, nothing worse than being forced to play against yourself.
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 19:08:38)
8-game matches
Just to clarify my position about this format, I think it's just fine if the players are alert and avoid playing symmetrical lines/games. I actually think it's a good idea to play a simultaneous 8-game match to see who's better. It's just a bit different than your normal round-robin tournament, perhaps that makes your site unique!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 19:33:17)
Symmetrical games
It's not possible to reach such a situation so that a player would have to play against himself... Cheating is obvious !
If you play your moves with a small delay (2 or 3 moves) in the other game, it will be always possible to find another line. Then it is mentioned in the rules there's an algorithm in FICGS that detects (!) symmetrical games. If needed, I can bring the proof with the moves dates.
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 19:40:02)
question
How many identical moves do you need to decide "cheating" is occurring? It will have to be an arbitrary number since there is no reason to say one or three moves before or after a certain number...what if the player shows a previous game played exactly the same way he has played? How do you know he is "cheating" instead of following a previous game? What if previous game was played by himself?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 20:15:35)
8-game matches
John... ??? :)
Vladimir Kramnik - Peter Leko (match for WCH classical title)
Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz...
Of course it is desired... Who will remember the names of the players in the last ICCF final tournament ? Even if ICCF doesn't use this format, and (as you say) serious CC players didn't have the opportunity to play such tournament, knockout format is still desired.
My first idea was a pure enormous knockout tournament, but it's obviously not possible (too much rounds, a time problem), that's why I thought about this combined system.
Now look at the chess world : Many players don't understand why FIDE progressively reduces the number of games and time controls in WCH matches. It is the main reason why FIDE world champion title looses value. Not hard / accurate, not spectacular enough !! ..
What many players (me, at least :)) expect is a classical world championship with a big final match. You may have noticed that FICGS champion will have the opportunity to defend his title in a... 24 games match against his challenger... (!!) That's real fight, that's real challenge and that's what I expect to see from a championship, a big opposition between 2 players, and not a round-robin more or less aleatory, with too much names, not understandable for the most.
Now, as we said on TCCMB : FICGS is not "official" matter, chess is for fun here, but chess must be a show and I'm convinced it is relevant in correspondence chess too. We'll see that ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-04 20:22:29)
Symmetrical games
Gino, it's easy : Symmetrical games are a way to cheat if all (!) moves are played at the same time. The algorithm detects players who MAY have played such games (different numbers of moves are tested), then there must be a human decision by a referee. If such a situation happens, knowing the moves dates, there obviously can't be a single doubt about the player's honesty...
Gino Figlio (2006-07-04 21:19:14)
statistics
Dear Thibault,
I don't have the answer, I suspect there is no solution for this problem. If you apply statistics to extreme situations, there will always be some outliers that will prove your prediction wrong. One good example is ICC(internet chess club) and their self-proclaimed perfect method to detect online cheaters. I can tell you some OTB 2100-2300 players can perform sometimes close to 2600 strength, and sometimes more than 95% of their moves coincide with one of the chess engines...statistically you can call this a cheater, but reality is not respectful of normal distributions
John Knudsen (2006-07-05 16:45:00)
Question About Leave/Reflection Time
Hi Thibault:
Why would a person on leave accumulate 1 extra day reflection time per day, while on leave? Is this correct?
If it is correct, what is the rationale behind such a weird thing, please? It doesn't make any sense, as no moves are played during a leave...
John
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-05 19:14:09)
Leave/Reflection Time
That's right. You take 5 days leave, 5 days are added to your clock... This is quite logical, after the leave period your clock is the same again. The difference with other systems is you can play during your leave.
We discussed about it in another thread :
http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_144.html
John Knudsen (2006-07-06 06:41:08)
Leave/Reflection Time
Hi Thibault:
I understand this now - thanks. And I like the limitation on accumulated reflection time - this is a great idea.
Still, the stated reflection time was given as 30 days +1 per move, and when you are on leave, you are not moving. To award an extra day reflection time on days that you do not more (i.e., vacation) is not logical at all. Your reflection time should remain unchanged from the day that you last moved. Any smart guy that has not used leave, and is running out of time on his games will just take his 30 days leave, and presto - he has 30 days more reflection time. This possibility, by itself, makes the reflection time a joke, in my opinion. John
Marc Lacrosse (2006-07-06 11:51:20)
Out-of-time
In game 298 my opponent is said to be out-of-time.
Do I have to do something for claiming the win?
The game does not appear so far in the list of my finished games.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-06 16:35:13)
Leave/Reflection Time
This is "almost" the same..... But that's right, this is more like a time reservoir than holidays. In both cases, when you take days leave -> you have more time to think if you want to. The difference is when you play during your leave, but it seems to me that consequences are negligible and not a problem.
Just different...
I wasn't very favourable to this option, but many players ask for. Aren't there a way to take a leave in ICCF ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-06 16:38:23)
Out-of-time
Hello Marc.
You just have to wait the robot to adjuge the game (takes a few hours). If your opponent tries to play a move more, the game will be adjudicated automatically.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-07-06 17:16:08)
Out-of-time
Merci.
John Knudsen (2006-07-06 18:33:27)
Leave/Reflection Time
Hi Thibault:
Of course you can take leave in any cc organization.
FICGS, however, is the only one that I am aware of that, not only do you get annual leave, but also 1 day extra reflection time per day of leave! :)
The concept is simply ridiculous in a 30 +1 time control format.
Look, I hope you don't think I just complain about stuff - there is a lot that I like here, too.
I also do have a bit of experience playing serious correspondence chess (since 1978).
New cc players, or OTB players, are the last people who know anything about the ins and outs of correspondence chess, IMHO. John
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-06 19:21:41)
Leave/Reflection Time
30 days is significant for this time control, indeed. But I think consequences on the play will be negligible enough. After all, most important is everyone playing with the same rules, whatever the rules.
I think rules must stay quite flexible, and players "free". ie. some players think that 10 days is enough to play a move, but it can become a real constraint in some situations. Correspondence chess here should stay a pleasure for all... It is a game of patience, and I think the "fast" time control and the 100 days limit will avoid abuses enough.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-07-08 11:08:51)
Modifying "rapid" tournament rules ?
Hello all,
Hello Thibault
As I already said in an earlyer thread, one of the reasons why I joined FICGS was the possibility to play fewer games simultaneously at a faster pace than in other corr. chess associations.
So I enrolled in a first rapid tournament where I find two things unpleasant for a so-called "rapid" category:
1. some of my opponents (and myself also) accumulated reflection time "reserves" of 40 or even 50 days in some cases, which is not appropriate for a "rapid" tournament IMHO.
2. my last unfinished game is completely won for more than ten moves now (it's K+pawns against K+pawns with an unstoppable passed pawn for me where computers announce forced mate in ... max 40 moves). My 2200+ opponent continues to play at a very slow pace. It's pretty annoying : I bet I could win my game at blitz tempo against Kasparov analysing for three days per move but I suppose I will have to play for weeks until his king is mated!
So I propose :
1. To have an absolute limitation of the time reserve a player can accumulate in rapid tournaments (30 ?)
2. To have a procedure allowing to call for external adjudication when a player refuses to resign a forcefully lost game.
Your opinion ?
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-08 12:33:21)
Fischer clock - Limitation
Hello Marc.
About the adjudication, that's a problem without a real solution IMO. I think human interventions must be reduced as much as possible (null is clearly best), many players agree with that.
I just written you were right and agreed with your first proposal about the accumulation time rule for rapid games. Now I think it just can't solve the problem and wouldn't be efficient enough... In the few cases (ie. yours) a player may last a game, for any reason (maybe manage his rating), changing the time accumulation limitation wouldn't prevent him to last it almost the same, by spacing out his moves...
No solution yet, but we can discuss it, maybe we can improve this point.
Glen D. Shields (2006-07-08 21:05:41)
Thibault You Have a Golden Opportunity
Thibault - one of the reasons that FICGS has grown so quickly is that you've welcomed input and implented the things the players have asked for. John is right on this issue. I urge you to listen to him. Take this opportunity and make FICGS the chess server that leads the way in establishing logical time rules.
Here are some suggestions for regular tournaments. You and others can build on these:
- 30 days start +2 days added per move
- 100 days maximum accumulated time
- 30 days maximum limit for one move
- 4 weeks (28 days) annual leave
- no time lost or added during leaves
- no moves made during leaves
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes
My recommendation for rapid tournaments are:
- 14 days start +1 day added per move
- 30 days maximum accumulated time
- 10 days maximum limit for one move
- 2 weeks (14 days) annual leave
- no time added or lost during leaves
- no moves made during leaves
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes
I recommend you let the server automatically handle time limit oversteps and make no exceptions. The only exception I would offer is if someone is ill or injured and needs to take an extended medical leave (these things happen). Let there be an option for that player to file an approved leave with you.
Thibault love your server and the hard work you put into it. You and others feel free to critique my suggestions. I strongly urge you to use this opportunity to lead the world in logical time rules. You don't have federations or tempermental world champions to appease. You are the boss. Do it RIGHT. Good luck.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-07-09 00:46:13)
Leave/Reflection Time
Dear chessfriends!
In my dreams a perfect server has the following time rules.
Normal tournaments:
- 30 days with an increment of 30 days/ 10 moves
- 100 days maximum accumulated time
- 30 days maximum limit for one move
- 4 weeks leave per tournament (!) for every year since the start of the tournament
- no time lost or added during leaves
- a move in a tournament during a leave stops the leave in all games of this tournament
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes
Rapid tournaments
- 30 days start +1 day added per move
- 45 days maximum accumulated time
- 30 days maximum limit for one move
- no leave
- all time calculated by a running clock in hours and minutes
By the way, the world championship should not be a rapid tournament.
But how I said these are my dreams ...
Josh Knapp (2006-07-09 06:54:48)
Private notes
I'm new to the site, so far I like it. But I am curious, are there any plans to make a private notes feature? I have played on several other sites and make notes all the time. I know I could make them on my computer, but the problem with that is that I often switch back and forth between two different machines.
Alarich Lenz (2006-07-09 15:40:32)
Leave/Reflection Time
whats the maximum limit for one move in the FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1 tournament?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-10 01:24:28)
Limit for one move
Hello Alarich.
The rule is the same for all time controls : Limit is 60 days for one move, appearing between brackets if this time is inferior to total time for the game. The idea was first not to constraint players. (so there's practically no limit but the total time in WCH time control : 30 days + 1 day per move)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-10 02:04:36)
Vacation and reflection time
Hi John, Glen & Heinz-Georg. Thanks for all suggestions... ;)
Some responses, particularly about vacation (towards a compromise ?) :
* 30 days + 2 days/move : Not "beautiful" (not a joke, it is design matter)
* 30 days max for one move : Not convinced it can really bring something... if a player want to last a CC game, I think no reasonable rule (without human factor) can prevent him to do so.
* 14 days + 1 day/move (rapid) : As players don't know exactly when tournaments will start, I think 30 days at start (ie. compared : email tournaments often start before the real date) is a good choice to avoid accidental forfeits during holidays !
* 2 weeks annual leave : Even for different time controls, I'm not favourable to make too many different rules.. 30 days (for all games per year) is a balanced choice IMO.
* Vacation : Ok, I make note of this. I was not favourable to any leave system, cause it's obviously a way to have days more in time trouble, even if time is frozen ! .. That's why I made it "hard" to use.. If players can stop their leave when they want, just by playing a move, it becomes easier to manage time trouble situations. The 60 days rule for 1 move was a solution avoiding vacation IMO but we discussed it already... Now I'm to decide to change the vacation rule, as John (& you) urged me. I thought it was a good thing not to prevent players to make moves during the leave... Maybe most think different, ok... However I have a problem yet with vacation as it's really a way to get more reflection time... Here is what I suggest, simply a harder rule : Players who take days leave CAN'T play during their vacation and CAN'T take days back (stopping their leave by playing a move) ! Then 2 options, players must wait their vacation end date to play again, or they can play, but provoking the cancellation of their leave (loosing the days leave taken and not used yet).. Maybe it won't be appreciated in some particular cases if players have to modify their plans, but the aim is clearly to reduce the vacation effect on the game... What do you think ?
Dinesh De Silva (2006-07-10 09:03:46)
Re: Italy vs France.......
What the tv replays showed was that the Italian player was holding Zidane from behind a bit. Zidane walked forward after a few seconds, turned around and headbutted the Italian player's chest. Perhaps it was one of those rare moments of uncontrolled tantrum/anger by him. A pity it happened in this final. (FIFA rules allow straight red cards for intentional hitting, butting, stamping, two legged fouls etc). Let's wait and see what the two players have to say/reveal about their incident later on. (It must be mentioned that Italy's penalty kicking was excellent in the penalty shootout. The shots were fast, had good height & spot on. A pity for France that Trezeguet hit the penalty too high).
Glen D. Shields (2006-07-10 15:21:09)
Sounds good ....
Thibault - thanks for the feedback and your openess to make changes in the vacation rules.
It's important to get some of these rules right while the player list is still relatively small and the players are still geting use to playing at FICGS. It will be harder to make rule changes in the future.
The 100 day maximum you set on accumulated time establishes FICGS as the trend setter in how to manage modern correspondence chess games. Excellent decision! Much of the problems people talk about in time control are prevented by the addition of this rule.
I'm sure you are aware the IECG has a 30 day maximum per move and the ICCF a 40 day maximum. The IECG limit is firm. You exceed 30 days once you lose. The ICCF's rule is unclear and unevenly managed. You reach 40 days, you need to beg the TD to do something. Sometimes he helps, sometimes he doesn't. Not a good situation.
Whatever limit you set at FICGS, I recommend you keep it firm and automatic like IECG. Personally I prefer 30 days, you prefer 60. IMHO 30 days is plenty of time to make a move is someone is serious about playing. 60 days is too long to wait. My preference is to make the rules enjoyable for those who want to play, not for those who sign up and then get "busy" and rudely make their opponents sit and wait. IMHO you'll attract and keep a better membership base by making the rules player friendly, not player annoying.
Thanks again. My best to you.
Glen D. Shields (2006-07-10 15:24:24)
Sorry...
Sorry this belongs in the reflection time thread :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-10 15:51:29)
Zidane / Materazzi... provocations
Les esprits sont encore à vifs après ce moment fort du sport...
Un fil sur un événement extérieur aux échecs ou au Go ne me parait pas de trop ici, c'est une manière comme une autre d'échanger, personne n'est obligé de lire.
Je suis d'accord sur le fond avec Henri, même si la forme est un peu rude... Je suis d'accord sur le fond avec Marc pour le signaler, mais la forme est clairement TROP rude.
Nous ne sommes pas sur un terrain de football, mais un minimum de bon sens sur la forme est bienvenu où que ce soit, peu importe les sujets abordés ici et le fond du propos ! .. le coup de tête de Zidane était de trop, quelle qu'en soit la raison et ce post aussi.
J'espère que cet échange s'arrêtera ici, en tout cas sous cette forme, sans quoi j'aurai le grand bonheur de devoir modérer... :(
Bonne journée à tous...
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-07-10 20:06:15)
Vacation and reflection time
Hi Thibault
Vacation seems to be a great problem on all chess servers. The way you manage it is very special. I don't think, that your way is "hard to use". Of course you can always abuse vacation to have more time in time trouble. But your way is very easy. Take 10 days of vacation and play on. And at the end of a year add the not consumed vacation to the reflection time of all of your games.
Now you suggest that a player can not play during his vacation. That is ok. But if the player starts playing during his vacation "loosing the days leave taken and not used yet" is not ok. "Maybe it won't be appreciated in some particular cases". Too much and unnecessary administration. Let the server work.
You don't want to give up your concept (adding vacation time to the reflection time), am I right? You already have announced the corrections on "My messages". If you must change your concept, you would have to rewrite parts of the software.
Nevertheless I would like to say how I imagine the vacation rules on my "perfect server".
I can make the following things with my 4 weeks of holiday:
- If I'm on holiday far away from home or don't like to play chess for a while, I can take a leave in all tournaments.
- If I have much work (sorry - I had to earn money and my employer doesn't take it into consideration, that I would like to play more chess) and can't take care of all tournaments for a while, I take a leave in single tournaments. If the overload is past, I play on without losing the vacation which I perhaps haven't taken.
- I cannot take a leave in a rapid tournament. That is ok - rapid means rapid. There shouldn't be any way to get more time for reflection in this kind of tournament.
It's a pity that no more players express their opinion on this topic in this forum.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-11 02:18:11)
Vacation and reflection time
Hello Heinz-Georg.
Of course I'll change the software, that's not a problem. What is important is to find the best solution to this issue... Time will be frozen during vacation.
There are several other ways to make it harder to use. Maybe it could be interesting to have no choice (or less) on the numbers of days you can take - ie. only 10 days by 10 days.
Gino Figlio (2006-07-11 03:59:17)
Leave
Hi Thibault,
Everyone has their own opinion about this. Do what you think it's best. My opinion:
If you want to mimic the ICCF method, don't allow play during leave and change to programming to freeze the clock when a player takes leave, therefore not adding the leave time to the reflection time.
If you want to continue with your original idea of adding the leave to the reflection time, then add only 50% of the time, since the clock stops for the player on leave when the opponent is on move anyway.
You may suggest players to take leave after they make a move, in order to take maximun benefit.
Other ideas related to preventing players from dragging out lost games/positions would be to establish a lower limit for leave time say of 7 days; preventing players from going on/off leave multiple times; to prevent exceeding the reflection time.
Another approach would be to try to regulate more the higher limit of time per move, by allowing players to take 30 days per move only once, 20 days per move 3 times, 10 days per move 9 times..etc. you can change the numbers to fit your desire but you get the idea.
Best,
Gino
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-07-11 22:14:16)
A question
Thibault wrote concerning rapid clock:
"* 14 days + 1 day/move (rapid) : As players don't know exactly when tournaments will start, I think 30 days at start (ie. compared : email tournaments often start before the real date) is a good choice to avoid accidental forfeits during holidays !"
Since your concern is with the first moves, how about using the 14 days + 1 move/day suggestion, but on the first two plies (e.g.: 1.e4 c5) you add a second clock that would give a period of 10 days for White and Black (separately) to know the game is on, before they make their first moves?
It'd go like this:
White has 10 days on this "grace period" + 14 days. Two possibilities:
1) He makes his first move. The time he had remaining on his "grace period" is removed, and he would have the 14 days. He would not get an additional day for it.
2) He does not make the move on the "grace period" and his 14 days clock starts running down. When he does move, one day will be added, as it normally would.
When White moves (if White ever moves), then:
3) Black makes his first move. The remaining of his "grace period" is removed, his 14 days remain, no days are added. Or,
4) Black does not make a move in the "grace period", his 14 days clock begins to run. If he makes a move, he'll gain the day, as he normally would.
In both cases, no more "grace periods" would be added for the rest of the game, and White's clock would start running with 14 days or less, depending if (1) or (2) happened.
I'm not sure if I was clear, neither if it is actually possible to do so. It's just a suggestion. I also hope that the forum does not clutter my message. :)
Salvatore Cuomo (2006-07-12 09:01:54)
Materazzi provocations.
"Materazzi Provocations".... Siete patetici ed antisportivi. Non sapete perdere e non avete il senso della misura. Zinedine Zidane non è nuovo a queste imprese, di testate agli avversari ne ha date parecchie, è un suo vizio. Ne ha date quando giocava nella Juventus e quando gioave nel Real Madrid. La cosa essenziale, in ogni caso, è che avete perso: fatevene una ragione.
Salvatore Cuomo
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-12 23:12:46)
Delay before tournament start
Hello Rodrigo.
I think your idea looks like very much the system used in email chess. I just wanted to make it easier to understand. Quite strange to make moves and have no days added to the clock. "Official" and "non-official" start for a tournament is a thing we can avoid. That's the main reason of this time control 30 days + 1 day/move.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-07-12 20:12:40)
Tournament entry rating
Hello Thibault!
Am I right that my TER (tournament entry rating) is not essential for the calculation of my new FIGCS - ELO - rating. If I'm not right, in which variable can I find it?
I thought the difference of my opponents and my own rating at the beginning of the tournament would be of importance.
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2006-07-13 22:02:02)
Days for a move
I a player doesn't move for about 20 day... I think his games should be declared as lost....
I don't know what is the actual limit... but it's look like is bigger than 40 days
Don Groves (2006-07-14 02:59:50)
Time limit per move
I feel there should be a firm limit (I would like to see 10 days) and a penalty for exceeding it:
(1) Subtract one day from offending player's clock for each day over the limit.
(2) If limit is exceeded more than double, game is forfeited.
If player cannot abide by these time constraints, they should take leave (or perhaps play in fewer games ;-)
Also, I agree with the idea of no moves at all during leave. Leave is leave from FICGS, not just from one game or tournament.
Regards to all,
Don
Charlie Neil (2006-07-14 19:10:14)
Private Notes
Hi Thibault. Yes a note facility would be great! As you can keep reminders as to what you were doing and keep a note of "the plan" for that game. I get confused very easily. Otherwise the mimalist presentation on screen is very good.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-15 13:21:58)
Time limit per move
The idea is interesting, however it could be difficult to display the remaining days (confusing)...
About the 60 days limit, I think there are clear advantages, and the bad effects are not so important if you consider there's no real way to prevent a player to last a game and the rating period of 2 months. The point that makes it difficult to compare to other organizations is some FICGS rules are harder : All lost games are rated, forfeits or not... I think this rules takes off some pressure. And many players can't assume regular play. Players who think 60 days per move is too long may play only rapid tournaments...
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-07-15 17:40:05)
Big chess
Hi Thibault!
No time to continue the game?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-15 17:51:39)
Big chess
Hello Heinz-Georg.
I'll play my next moves soon... That's right, no time enough and many chess & Go games to play. But I keep a look at my clock ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-19 02:54:06)
Search : commented games
I've added a link in the 'Search games' page to find all games commented by players... First comment made by David is very eloquent ;)
Feel free to tell me if you have ideas of criterias to search games. Also added in the 'Search games' page : search by opening. Now 3 ways, this new one, Wikichess, and the form below the menu (improved).
Gino Figlio (2006-07-19 07:19:52)
question
Hi Thibault,
I am thinking about making public comments to my games, but one thing holds me back; would Gilles Hervet mind if I do?
I don't want to bother him or his concentration...I can't find a way to message him...would you mind asking him?(I'm thinking you must have his email address)
Thanks,
Gino
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-19 12:39:31)
Public comments
Hello Gino.
Indeed, no way to message your opponent if not your turn (you may wait to play a move and ask him - message window when confirming your move).
About public comments, maybe we can improve it... 3 ways IMO :
1) Public comments should be available only when the game is finished.
2) A checkbox in your 'Preferences' to authorize public comments from your opponents. (I don't like this one much..)
3) I specify in the rules that comments are simply authorized.
What do you think is best ?
In my opinion, comments should be always available... I see no reason why it could perturb more than private messages.. By the way, this option was asked on the forum previously when looking for a way to warn players who obviously last games too much... Maybe we could see and wait.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-20 05:51:19)
Bug fixed
Eh bien non, ce n'était pas un pirate mais un simple hasard improbable dans un océan de mathématiques... Le bug est corrigé. Merci pour le retour !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-20 14:39:21)
Google pagerank
Hi Dinesh.
Ironic ? ;)
Google is definitely the best search engine for several years. Maybe his statistical concept will be outdated soon (or already), but it's the most powerful one (speed, capacity, accuracy...) and most : it still represents 85 % of visitors from search engines (for all websites). Yahoo represents 9% .. the others nothing. About 30 % (only) of FICGS visitors come from search engines, but it will undoublty increase and over 90 % as time passes.
Pagerank is decided on the value (Pagerank) of the links towards a website.. Actually this is a complex formula based on many parameters, but first of all the Pagerank of the websites referrers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagerank
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-22 18:31:31)
What future for correspondence chess ?
You may have noticed this "grave" question on the home page... :)
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Are draws and chess engines killing chess game, are the level and play simply standardized by Deep Fritz and Rybka... Is the extraordinary performance by Christophe Léotard at XIX th. ICCF correspondence chess world championship 'chancy', a statistical happening, or is there a place yet for human play in modern correspondence chess ?
"I really believe that Go is destined to take the place of Chess as the leading intellectual game of the Occident, just as it has reigned supreme in the Orient for some four thousand years." (Edward Lasker, international chess master)
"... {it is} something unearthly... if there are sentient beings on other planets, then they play go." (Emanuel Lasker, chess world champion)
It had been said that Chess 960 would replace Chess too. I don't think so...
Any predictions ?
Glen D. Shields (2006-07-22 19:50:51)
Interesting Discussion Topic
Thibault - this is a interesting discussion topic. Of course, no one knows the future with certainty, but we can all offer an opinion :)
I'm nearing my 40th year of correspondence play. Sometime later this year I will complete my 1000th tournament game. All my games were played by postcard until the mid 90's. E-mail dominated my CC schedule from about 1998 until 2002. Now I only play server chess. I've played on the FICGS, IECG, GameKnot, ChessFriend, Schemingmind and ICCF servers.
Contrary to many people who've played as long as I have, I do NOT see chess engines as a threat to the game. I think they've changed the game, but not hurt the game. I believe they've increasd CC's popularity and game quality. The same is true for opening and ending databases.
Some of the changes that will occur in CC the next ten years:
- Servers will improve functionality and ease of use.
- Due to engine use we will grow to accept 2200 as an "average" rating rather than "Master."
- Tournaments will be re-structured to include fewer players per section and shorter tournament durations. This particularly applies to ICCF where 15 player sections and slow time rules to simulate postal chess are used.
- New server functionality will be added to allow players the option to SLOW down the game. It's too easy to get caught in a mindless "server flurry."
- New chess software will be developed to analyze games. This analysis tool will give proability estimates on what engine one's opponent is using. That information will allow one to counter and plan against one's opponent.
- There will be more anti-computer books written and theories developed. We will use these techniques to beat our opponent and and improve our chess planning skills.
Bottomline ... I am excited by the new technology. I see continued advances in the way we manage our gameload, the way we send moves, the way we play, plan and analyze our moves. The way we play in the future will be different and will still be fun for those who embrace new technology. My disappointment is I am an old man and unlikely to enjoy all the advantages the future brings. I hope those who follow me enjoy what I will miss :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-23 16:05:25)
Yahoo mail problems today...
Hi Dinesh.
The answer is yes, obviously.
Quite funny, each time it happens, there are several "googlers" coming from this keyword 'yahoo mail problems today' ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-24 13:03:25)
Future of correspondence chess......
That's a fine analysis, Glen.
However, it's legitimate to consider that chess at a higher level is becoming much harder so that some of the very best players may stop their career, thinking that it's no worth the energy anymore, for results more influenced by 'chance' in statistics...
How many "super-grandmasters" (2700+) said that each point over this mark represents more and more work ?
It's probably the same (and more) in correspondence chess. I do think that it's still possible to improve a lot ! .. but there's a lack of a higher class of players. That's a pity the very best correspondence chess players (ie. former ICCF world champions : Joop van Oosterom, Gert Jan Timmerman...) retire or at least don't defend their title since they achieved it. Of course it's a lot of time, but result is the top class appear to be bigger and there's no clear champion. That's not good IMO to popularize correspondence chess.
All games need champions. I read recently on a Go forum that the success of Chess nowadays was due to his champions (Go is not popular yet in the west because there's noone to represent it, except a manga [Hikaru No Go]..), Garry Kasparov, Bobby Fischer... That's true IMO, and that's what particularly misses to correspondence chess. Maybe things won't change in ICCF (maybe I should pretend to the board :)), but anyway that's why I chose the knockout system for the FICGS world chess championship, and the possibility for the winner to play a final against a challenger. We'll see...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-24 15:09:28)
Wikichess : Improvement
The main page now displays the last 20 lines created (instead of moves). It should allow us to discuss lines in an easier way.. :)
Glen D. Shields (2006-07-24 17:04:52)
Thanks Thibault
Thanks Thibault for the response.
I definitely concur that today's correspondence chess is different than 40 years ago. The two biggest things I miss about today's CC are the 1) blunders and 2) open tournaments. I remember the excitement of getting a postcard and rushing to check my opponent's move. Blunders weren't common, but they occured. Now they're non-existant. Blunders made for great lore!
Why no more open tournaments? Took me 40 years to get my rating where it's at. I'm not a top player, but what I've earned, I've earned mostly the "old fashioned" way. I avoid open tournaments to avoid losing to low rated players who just learned the moves, but because they have a a high powered muti-processor running Deep Fritz they can knock me down a hundred points. I miss chatting with beginners, teaching them the ins and outs of CC. Oh well :)
You mentioned the top CC players winning and then not sticking with the game because winning is too hard due to chess engines. Is the drop out rate at the WC level any different than it was in the past? Berliner won and dropped out 40 years ago. Palciauskas won 30 years ago and then he dropped out. Chess engines were not a factor when they won. I don't think top players drop out because of engines, but because it is too hard to keep a competitive edge to play at a top level for any length of time. Good results are a combination of talent, hard work and good fortune. Keeping all three together for any length of time is a HUGE endeavor.
Personally I think a bigger threat to CC burn-out is not chess engines, but chess servers. Servers make CC too easy. Today's CC today is like Bill Murray in "Ground Hog Day." You wake up to an inbox full of chess moves. You work all day/night replying. Then you wake up the following day to moves from the same people and do it all again. There are no week long breaks breaks between games like in the postcard days. Server chess is burning out everyone, not just the top players. The progressive server owners will need to address this issue someday.
Sooooo ... what's the bottomline for me? I liked the old days better, but the old days are gone. Chess engines are here to stay. Progress is part of life. I embrace progress and am determined to enjoy it. I get my thrills by learning about chess engines and their weaknesses. That gives me an edge and keeps the game fresh. But then that's me :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-24 19:23:24)
Copyright issues
Like everywhere else, Dirk Jan... at your own risks ;)
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html
06. Warranties and limitations of liability
(...) FICGS shall not be liable for what members will do if they don't respect these "Terms and Conditions" or for what members will publish in the forum, news, comments or messages to other members.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-25 01:51:34)
Handicap moves
That's an idea... Actually I don't think many players (benefiting of the handicap moves) with a 200 points lower rating would be interested, cause it's quite "risky" to play with an advantage. If you win, that's just normal, if you loose (even draw): that's a big defeat.
Such matches may be interesting for both masters (2400+) and amateurs (1600-), maybe even in a simultaneous context, so that draws could satisfy everyone.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-28 02:31:50)
Blogs !
Everyday a new feature, I keep in the rhythm ;)
You may have noticed this link ('see the players blog') at the top of the forum page. A new interface that simply looks like the forum, but built like a blogs website.
You may want to relate your Chess life or Go philosophy, your games or whatever.. you can do it there.
Like in the forum, links are automatically parsed. The html < br > tag to begin a new line. Comments by everyone are also available.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-28 21:09:39)
parties non classées
Je réponds ici au cas où, après l'email. De quelle partie s'agissait il ? C'était probablement du à la limite des 350 points d'écart en cas de victoire si l'adversaire avait un classement beaucoup plus faible...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-29 13:04:12)
Chess analysis tools
I hope that analysis tools won't improve too much. The obvious problem will be (already is) draws. Not at the highest level, but ... if all games are draw at a high level, the interest will decrease for many players.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-07-31 16:38:04)
Ireland flag
... and Ireland, of course. (sorry ! :))
Flag - http://www.ficgs.com/images/flags/irl.gif
Graham Wyborn (2006-08-01 00:27:16)
Northern Ireland Flag???
Should be, I think, the Ulster Flag. The image you linked to was for Eire!
Trust the following link shows the correct flag.
http://www.flags2000.co.uk/flag.htm?cref=S137
Mark Carroll (2006-08-01 00:49:20)
Trouble adding lines
I am trying to add articles to wikichess and most of the time it works fine. But for some reason I cannot add some moves. One example, both knights can move to the same square so I tried Nb d2, b1 d2, Nb1 d2, and several others but to no avail. I also could not get e4xd5 to work before either (as well as PxP etc). Any help informing me of the correct way would be appreciated.
Mark Carroll (2006-08-01 02:03:15)
correct form and copywrite
I figured it out, I needed to eliminate the spaces thus Nbxd2.
One more question, with my understanding of copywrite laws, if we went through very old books we could enter the analysis without any violation of copywrite, just stick the source in. Right?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-01 12:43:00)
Vacation : Time frozen !
Hello to all.
A major update : Clocks are now frozen during vacation. It's no more possible to play during this time. Please note you cannot cancel your vacation ! (but you can add days of leave)
This change should make harder vacation time (30 days per year) to use, and reduce the effect on the time controls.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-02 20:36:00)
Chess WCH waiting list
Hello José Antonio.
Players who had not entered chess wch waiting list before July 1st (start of the 1st wch) can do it before August 15, in order to start more tournaments (july was a bit early to start). Most players who entered it lately already play in new groups or have replaced players who didn't make a single move in their games (and lost on time). If this is the point you're talking about, it's difficult to consider a game without a move has been really played. Replacements (particularly players rated 1200: beginners) allow to low rated players to enter this 1st WCH tournaments cycle, otherwise new groups wouldn't have the necessary rating average.
Finally, everyone play a 6-games tournament in this first round. So, why 12 games ? Maybe I did not understand well... :/
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-02 23:07:36)
Adjudication, forced mate & rules
Hello Marc.
According to the rules, the game has been adjudicated.
I think this is a good moment to discuss this adjudication rule.. (see 11.5 - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html)
Surely it can be improved, but how.. I'd like to have players opinion on what cases (position + time) should be adjudicated or not, so that we find a better & fair compromise.
Any ideas ?
Thibault
Graham Wyborn (2006-08-02 23:14:20)
Be patient!
Your opponent is not breaking any rules! I have an opponent who has not moved for about 6 weeks. Now with less than 24 hours left on his clock, he goes on holiday! Our opponents can use the time how they like. In the UK you can be arrested for wasting police time, but you cannot be arrested on any chess site for wasting opponents time! If you leave this site, which I hope you will not do, you will come across the same problem on other chess sites.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-02 23:38:35)
Patience... what limit ?
Hello Graham.
Actually, he did break the rules... (obvious result + 30 days lasting) so game has been adjudicated. But this may be ambiguous in some cases... Not perfect for sure.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-08-02 23:52:15)
Adjudication
Thanks Thibault.
I was not aware of the 11.5 rule which is very good IMHO and I am very glad that you agreed to apply it in my game.
I think this is a good rule "as is" and it does not need to be changed.
To Graham :
Sure you are right.
But it's the same in OTB play : almost nobody waits until the final mate move.
However when one disgracefully requires you go until mate has effectively been done, you just have to wait for less than a few hours at most.
In my case the win was evident for more than two months and my opponent still meticulously waited until he only had a few hours left...
Did he wish to wait for a new rating,did he wish to have won other games to take the lead in the tournament : I really don't know (and I truly cannot fully understand)...
In any case the rules were respected...
Maybe this could be an additional argument for limiting the maximum amount of accumulated thinking time ?
Marc
Roger Weber (2006-08-03 08:41:42)
Time
Dear Thibault,
I had an incident and had to be hospitalized immediately for three weeks. I don't want to go into closer details, but I just got back home a few days ago. As I logged in today I saw that most of my games are running out of time.
Would it be possible to extend them? As it would be a shame to just let them end like that.
Regards,
Roger.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-03 10:49:34)
Special cases (health..) & server rules
Hello Roger !
I hope you are fine now...
I'm afraid that health problems have no reasonable solution, as many people expect from server rules to avoid human factor as much as possible...
A high rated player, also one of the very first registered player on FICGS had this problem too, and I did not find a solution to save his games. We both "resigned".
Anyway, I see that only your games in 1st WCH have been lost on time, and you have been replaced already in the tournament. Even if you are in the waiting list again, you probably couldn't play this WCH, cause several 1200 players are waiting already. Sorry about that :(
Best wishes.
Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-03 20:30:44)
Update of the 11.5 rule
A small update of the 11.5 rule, that should clarify some ambiguous cases (referee calls are stored) :
"In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious. If a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated. An analysis submitted by a player should contain sufficient information so that no doubt is possible. This may include a sequence of moves, but in some circumstances it may be sufficient to claim a win or a draw on the basis of material or positional advantage. Final decision belongs to referee."
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-03 20:35:24)
Vacation : Update
Hello to all.
You may observe irregular clocks according to the new vacation rules during a while (some players may still have more time than "possible"), this is not a bug but a consequence of the change on 2006 august 1st) for players who took days leave, particularly in july.
Gino Figlio (2006-08-04 02:55:44)
tricks
Hi Thibault,
Players use tricks to distract the opponent when they suspect they are losing, one of them is offering draws many times, another trick is to delay the game.
I am afraid this rule can be used as another trick by a player losing the game, but still able to call the referee and claim a draw.
If you allow them to do this once a month, even better for them.
I suggest using more strict criteria to call the referee: obvious checkmate or tablebase win...otherwise this rule may be abused to distract the opponent...
Best,
Gino
Marc Lacrosse (2006-08-04 17:05:33)
WCH tournaments
In the 7-players qualification tournaments for the Wch there are usually two 2100+ players together with five players with a much lower rating.
As there is only one player qualified for the next step, isn't there an enormous advantage for the one of the two better rated players who happens to be white in the game with the other higher rated player (assuming that both can hope for very good results against lower-rated players)?
This is probably unavoidable ...
Marc
PS what does happen if two players finish 1st ex aequo with a draw in their mutual encounter and similar results against all others?
Dinesh De Silva (2006-08-08 09:49:06)
Re:
Hi, Brian!
Just FOLLOW THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD. Haha!
Click on "Waiting lists", then click on "FICGS Go Tournaments. It's that simple.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-08 12:09:40)
Suggestion (sponsors)
Hi Dinesh.
I'm looking at everything of course, it would be great to get sponsors and prizes for free tournaments ie. WCH... The more success, the more chances, so still working. It will take time anyway...
In a near future : Tournaments with entry fees & money prizes should start in October, I have many new ideas to make it attractive for the most, titled players as beginners, and it should bring something to the whole site.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-08-09 07:47:30)
Re: download
Hey, Graham
When you click the game number, it takes you to a page where there's a "download" link down at the bottom. When you click it, the game file will download in pgn format.
( Yes, altogether it would be two clicks.
If you mistakenly click it for a third time, you'll launch a nuclear bomb! Haha! Just kidding ).
Graham Wyborn (2006-08-09 16:03:46)
(download) button
When I first press the (download) button I move to:- http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=move
&...
which does not show the (download) button.
When I press the (download) button a second time it moves to :- http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=move &...
where I can now see the (download) button.
Does the above help? I was looking at game 690.
If the above does not help, could it be my IE settings. I am using IE 6 with Windows XP Home
Samy Ould Ahmed (2006-08-10 00:06:13)
Vacances
Bonsoir Thibault...
J'ai pris des vacances du 7 au 13...et mon temps s'écoule quand même et je suis même "out of time" dans l'une de mes parties...est ce normal ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-10 11:56:01)
Vacances
Bonjour Samy.
Je confirme que le temps des parties ne s'écoule pas (un simple refresh le démontre)... Et je vois qu'il y a "zeitnot" en effet dans certaines parties. La partie perdue au temps l'a été visiblement juste avant que ces vacances soient prises (et sera adjugée automatiquement)... Désolé, la cadence rapide n'est pas si facile à tenir, je le constate moi même.
Jaimie Wilson (2006-08-11 16:10:55)
Unrated miniatures
I read that games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit or obvious cheating). So if my opponent plays brilliantly, lures me into a catastrophic error and mates me on move 9, then he or she would not get any rating benefit.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-11 17:14:15)
Unrated miniatures
Hello Jaimie.
Absolutely... This is clearly a 'statistical' choice...
A chess server need rules like this one to avoid most human decisions. I think this is a good one so far. About this unfair case (at first sight), if you resign in less than 10 moves (it happens not so often in CC above elo 1600, except forfeits), your opponent is obviously much stronger than you, so chances for him to already have a rating superior to yours + 350 points are very high... so the game wouldn't be rated anyway !
Graham Wyborn (2006-08-13 17:32:35)
(download) in Go games!
Recently started playing Go. Similar problem to (download) in chess. If I hoover over the Go (download) button, the ballon reads, "Download this game in PGN format". If I press it, it tries to download game into my chess database!
Can you help? You solved it last time, can you do it again?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-14 12:46:06)
Drag and drop
Hi Charlie :)
Actually this feature should have been implemented already (looks like something essential for a chess server).
No time enough right now, but I'll look for a trick in the next weeks... I only use the text field, so I had forgotten this point ;)
Wayne Lowrance (2006-08-16 02:08:03)
Resign rule
I am informed via email that F. Diego resigned for a loss, in a game he was gonna loose in my opinion. less than 10 moves). That rule is very bad.
T
hat win has not showed up as a win for me or a loss for him in the tournament standings.
Not fair, I sure think this stinks. whats happening here
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-16 03:20:49)
Resign rule
Hello Wayne.
Quote : "That win has not showed up as a win for me or a loss for him in the tournament standings."
The win is shown in the tournament standings, but game is not rated if it's an early forfeit (less than 10 moves)...
Jaimie Wilson (2006-08-19 17:42:17)
Ratings
I understand that the ratings on here are special ficgs ratings that are brought up to date every two months.
Benjamin Aldag (2006-08-20 22:37:05)
How can i send a message to another.....
Hi,
how can i send a messages to another member of FICGS ? Is it only possible by playing with a member move by move, or is there another way ? It would be nice to send a message to anyone anytime.
Benny
Wayne Lowrance (2006-08-22 03:34:48)
Future Rating
I did not want to post this. I tried to find your e-mail address but could not.
How ofton is Future Rating updated. Immediate ?
My game 2179 was agreed draw. The result has not appeared in future Rating. It should as I understand it. Future rating for game 2163 was accounted for in future rating. It is the only game (1 game) that is credited.
Again wish I could have kept this private via email
Thank you
Wayne
Benjamin Aldag (2006-08-22 19:18:37)
New Thematic - Tourney Trompowsky !
Hi,
since 3 days i have the Chessbase DVD "The Trompowsky - The easy way" (http://www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp?pid=249&user=&coin=). Thank you for starting a thematic tornament with the Trompowsky-Opening. The right time, to test my knowledge about the DVD.
Benny
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-22 19:52:28)
Thematic tournaments & King's gambit
Danish gambit and scotch gambit have been played already. (not far)
FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000005
FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000006
I'll keep the idea...
Where did you see that king's gambit is not playable ??? Disproved doesn't mean anything IMO... (& this is probably the most known chess 'troll' :))
Benjamin Aldag (2006-08-22 20:12:07)
Disproved
Ok,
i got my knowledge by GM Roman Dzindzihasvili's Video-Tapes, some studys and a lot of played games of Kings Gambit. Latvian isn't good too. I think, with a good computer and a good knowledge about kings gambit, the minimum what black can reach is a draw. If white play latvian, black will win ever. Latvian Gambit is so easy to calculate with a computer. Black has from the beginning on, no move-options.
But we can try both desasters in a thematic-tourney.
Benny
Don Groves (2006-08-23 05:04:33)
What about this case...
An opponent just resigned and said "good game" to me in his message. But now his game no longer shows up in my messages, so how can I answer him and express my gratitude for a good game?
Jay Melquiades (2006-08-23 18:35:23)
rapid tourneys
if the time control in rapid tourney is a move/day,do you have until 23:59:59 server time to make a move or its a forfeit win???
this expiring mind wants to know :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-24 01:56:40)
rapid tourneys
Hello Jay.
No, 1 day / move is the increment added to the clock after each move ! But your clock is 30 days at start, so you have time ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-24 13:31:19)
Premove (conditional moves)
Hi Benjamin.
Conditional moves was one of the first features expected and discussed here... I'm still not sure it is a good idea. Of course it may save time in forced sequences, but there are some controversial issues (see previous discussions with Glen about chess servers) about time and holidays. Anyway, the truth is it's a major change, and I've too many things to do right now :/
Dinesh De Silva (2006-08-24 14:01:52)
Re: Premove (conditional moves).....
I think such issues as CONDITIONAL MOVES & VACATION TIME ALLOWED are sure to be debated in the future too. Some sites allow conditional moves , some don't. Some sites allow vacation time of 30 or 30+ days per year per tournament (and sometimes even special leave), some sites don't. These issues are sure to be hotly debated for a long time.
Benjamin Aldag (2006-08-24 20:01:31)
we will see....
Sorry for my slow commentating-speed, but i have over 60 corr-games here at the same time and must analyse. Tonight (german-time) i will commentate the rest of your moves. Maybe i think wrong, but i still do not believe in the Latvian-Gambit. There is no good line for black in this Gambit. Just a few traps. Chess is not a game of hoping for a stupid opponent. Chess is a game of good moves by black and white and i would never play a line, by hoping for a bad move of my opponent. Maybe in Blitz or Bullet.....but never in Corr-Games.
Benjamin Aldag (2006-08-24 20:19:09)
Why do you play corr-chess ?
Hi again,
i play corr-games, because i want to learn more about my repertoire-openings. If you look at my games, you will see every time the same gamestyle and often the same opening. I love the Grand Prix Attack and the closed Sicilian with the white colors. With black i prefer to play Dzindzi-Indian, also known as The Beefeater. Corr-Chess is for me one of the best ways, to try some learned lines and look for better a better continue.
Now my question: Why do you play corr-chess ?
Benny
Elmer Valderrama (2006-08-25 13:08:31)
bug: en-passant captures
In the ongoing games of players Herr, Jeff v Sarihan, Sefa
FICGS_CHESS_RAPID_C_000004 and FIGCS_CHESS_CLASS_G_000003
there is an "en-passant" capture (move 10.dxc6) which is not
allowed by the chess rules (as I know them, maybe FIDE
Congress has already changed them ;)
The pawn c was first moved to c6 (3...c6) and then to c5 (9...c5)
Somehow, the player Herr managed to capture the pawn
by playing 10.dxc6 after 9...c5, which was accepted
by both the player Sarihan and the interface ..(!?!)
And the same happened in the game Ducreux, Regis v Sarihan, Sefa
FIGCS_CHESS_CLASS_F_000007, this time pawn c was moved
twice again (2...c6 and 10...c5) and captured ("of course")
by 11. dxc6.. 8()
Elmer Valderrama (2006-08-27 11:17:48)
opening idea
..aparently everyone was/is impressed by
the game Spielmann-Cohn, Carslbad 1907...
--> White get such a big advantage in development that it's hard to think Black will get away with anything best than a draw here..
Julien Baudement (2006-08-29 19:44:00)
Go (re ->Thibault de Vassal)
Ou bien il bluffe, ou bien il est très fort car il m'a assez rapidement demandé si je connaissait les règles ! Pourtant, je n'avais pas particulièrement l'impression de jouer mal !!
Une petite question technique, comme dans lesègles usuelles, après qu'on ait pass 2x, on décompte les points, c'es fait automatiquement ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-08-31 01:51:59)
Go (re -> Julien)
Points are not counted automatically in Go games (not possible), even after both players pass... Players may discuss the score by passing more than 2 times, but in all cases one of them has to resign to end the game (or call referee in case of disagreement)...
About your Go games, I saw you use a personal strategy quite far from theory (basically corners, bands, then center)... Original one, but it will be hard, undoublty :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-01 17:11:46)
Go / Weiqi tournaments : New categories
Hello to all.
New Go tournament categories have been created.
PRO category, for players ranked 1 dan and above (Go elo > 2099)
DAN category, for players ranked 10 kyu and above (Go elo > 1099).
KYU category, for all Go players, whatever their rating...
Rules have been updated for the rating calculation and Go championship (a win in a KYU tournament = 1 point, a win in a DAN tournament = 2 points, a win in a PRO tournament = 3 points).
Feel free to post here any suggestion to improve this site for Go game...
(& don't forget this is not a chess variant ;))
Kind regards.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-01 17:37:52)
FICGS titles update
This site will work by itself soon... :)
Thanks Benjamin. I'll post soon again about the council/staff, moderators etc.. Feel free to tell me if you're interested ;)
About titles, I'll add that players who will get a FICGS title could probably have one at ICCF, so they're invited to try...
The first norms calculation just occured. Here are the result(s) :
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_M__000001 : Zubac, Marius EM=1,IM=1
Charlie Neil (2006-09-02 21:49:18)
why do you play corr chess
i play corr chess as i don't go to chess clubs as i work shifts and can't devote a single night off the same day in every week. also i pause at the board smoking cigarettes drinking coffee and have music playing in the background, ( most of the time dressed in my pyjamas). the corr chess players you meet can be some nice people who are usually polite and chessfriends. and the rude ones you can ignore.
of course you have the time to study a game a bit longer before making that blunder. i am learning and re-learning chess all the time. at the moment i am playing from memory after finding using books confusing when i got to the end of the line. i feel sorry for those people who use databases/computers for their moves as in the end they are cheating themselves out using their own brain, there is an old saying, "cheats don't prosper" i believe it to be true.
Chess is the best and the most terrible game in the world.
Joachim Nettelbeck (2006-09-03 16:33:42)
First mover loses
I think that besides the entry fees there is areason, why nobody seems to enter these tournaments: First mover loses!
When I see someone with, let's say, a rating of 2000 has entered a tournament, and I'm below that, I will never enter it, too. Not if it's about money. So only people with higher ratings will enter, and the first mover is likely to lose his money. Thus nobody enters first. There is a procedure needed which guarantees that the opponents in this kind of tournaments are close to each other in their rating. Or at least the ones who enter will need to be invisible...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-03 16:45:33)
Re: First mover loses
Hello Joachim.
"why nobody seems to enter these tournaments" : first because they are not open yet :)
As I said, this is only an example. New categories will be created, with formulas as simple and fair as possible, and other ones that could allow to low-rated players to meet strong titled players...
Anyway, all suggestions are welcome.
Marc Lacrosse (2006-09-04 10:51:45)
To Charlie on cheaters ...
Hi Charlie
I completely agree with the first sentences of your post, but I cannot accept the second part of it.
I use computers, and books, and databases and lots of prepared personal analyses for my games here.
I do not accept to be called a cheater : this is explicitly allowed by the rules here, and it is even one of the main reasons for which I joined this association.
There are lots of other sites where computer use is forbidden : you can for sure play there and complain when you will guess that your opponent is making use of electronic assistance, but not here.
Moreover for me it is pure shortness of sight if you are not able to imagine that playing with computer help can be both creative and even fascinating.
Take any of your games and do a quick analysis with several chess programs : you will see that for a large majority of positions they completely disagree on which is the best move to play. The human touch is critically decisive when playing with computer help.
And resulting games are far more complicated and interesting in my eyes.
Another point is that for myself I prefer that my opponents do not spoil an interesting game for which I have spent hours and hours of analysis along weeks of play through a stupid human blunder that ends it all suddenly.
I do pretty well understand that you prefer to play on your own. But what is the problem if you have a computer-assisted opponent? Either you will loose and will maybe learn something either you will win and it will be a pretty good achievement. And surely it will be a better game. The only problem I can see is the possible frustration not to be able to win many games.
Then I repeat : go on another site where computer assistance is forbidden. But I have to say that having played on such sites for years you will find _many_ cheaters... Pure human play cannot be enforced ...
But please stop saying that players like myself are cheaters and poor ignorants.
It is sure we play a different game but why should you be entitled to say that mine is worse than yours?
Regards
Marc
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-05 01:04:27)
How many moves within 40 days?
Hello,
im playing my first tournament.
I can't see anywhere in this domain how many moves I have to make within 40 days.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 01:15:57)
Time control 40 days + 40 d. / 10 moves
Hello Ulrich.
The time control 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves only means you have 40 days more to your clock after you play move 10, move 20 and so on... You may loose the game on time if you don't play the first 10 moves in 40 days, but it doesn't mean that you "always" have to play 10 moves in 40 days during the whole game...
Is it understandable ? :)
Best regards. Thibault
Charlie Neil (2006-09-05 09:50:08)
why play corr-chess
Marc, excuse me I didn't make the difference between chess engines/databases and someone playing straight moves straight off their own computer. Yes, use books and databases that's what they are there for. But I feel sorry for the individual who relies solely on their computer to play their games for them. It is a bit like taking a fork lift to a weight lifting competition. The use of computers and servers is still relatively new to me. There are sites that ban the use of computers. but who is to know who is using their computer in an illegal way? There can be no profit for them or enjoyment in the game.
It is good that FICGS has this forum for free discussion. I enjoyed reading "The future for Corr-chess" thread. There has always been points in time when it has been discussed that chess has "burnt-out" and the game will die off. I don't think that will ever happen in light of the passion for this terrible game expressed in all these forums. So, forgive an ignorant "free-range" "organic" chessfriend for not being clear about the differences about databases and computer-slaves who rely on their machines. The game is the thing. ( and maybe just maybe I wasn't drinking just coffee the time I posted the cheats slur...:-/)
Charlie Neil (2006-09-05 09:55:54)
why do you play corr chess?
Hello benny
oh yes and I am learning and re-learning all the time. Chess and computers is a whole new world to me.
Dirk Ghysens (2006-09-05 12:16:53)
Time control in thematics
How about time controls in thematic tournaments? Suppose the first 12 moves are "given": are there still 40 days for the first 10 moves then?
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-05 12:17:16)
Winning time?
If i am faster during my first 10 moves I save this time for my second 10 moves?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 12:42:18)
Time control in thematics + Winning time
Hello Dirk & Ulrich
That's a good remark ! .. The program wouldn't add these first 40 days in thematic tournaments, as move 10 has already been played. Anyway that's fair IMO and not so important with this slow time control.
Ulrich, the answer is yes, the faster you play, the more time you save for the rest of the game...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 12:58:56)
Major update : your feelings ?
Hello to all.
There has been several changes these last days to optimize the access to the database... as it grows quicky :)
A major update just occured to speed up the display of all games. (Google and other search engines may slow down the whole server sometimes) The effects should appear gradually.
Feel free to post here if you observe any problem or change, or on the speed of the server in general (please specify the speed of your computer & internet connection)
Thanks in advance ! :)
Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 16:21:34)
Tournament winners & leaders displayed !
Hello to all.
Tournament winners & leaders (2 at most) are now displayed in all tournament categories. Just click 'Tournaments' and see...
These informations are not displayed in real time, but will be updated at least every 2 months (while chess rating calculation)
All comments welcome.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 16:27:10)
All tournament boards on a single page
A new update (test)... All boards for each tournament are displayed on a single page, when you're connected only. Click on a tournament, then click the "photo" icon at the right of the name of the tournament : All boards, moves and public comments are displayed on the same page.
I'm interested to know how much time it takes to your browser to display it.
Thanks.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-05 17:03:50)
Time to display all informations
35 seconds - but the page is great
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 17:04:09)
Translation : Draw proposal
Hello Karlheinz !
Humm... Babelfish just told me it could (very) approximatively mean : "Your opponent offered a draw".
I still do not speak a single word in German... :/
Thanks for your help.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 17:07:17)
Time to display all informations
Hmm.. That's a real problem :/
Could you tell me more about your processor / browser / internet speed ?
(by email if you prefer)
Thanks !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 17:11:28)
Another try...
Heinz-Georg, could you try another time to load the same page and tell me if it is faster or not ?!
It could work faster the next times...
Thanks :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 17:40:48)
Time to display all informations
Do you know your computer (processor) speed ? That's very slow...
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-05 17:52:21)
Time to display all informations
Pentium 4, 3 GHz
I have closed all "working" applications (Word, Excel), but the time is the same.
How much time takes your browser?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 18:08:35)
Time to display all informations
....... don't laugh :)
More than 60 seconds. I have a timeout, so I can't even load the whole page !
Reason is first a ~33kbps connection (no adsl where I live), then a slow computer, for internet only.. :))
This is prehistory here ;)
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-05 18:26:38)
Time to display all informations
No reason to laugh. Excuse my question! I hope you don't have to develop these wonderful programs at this computer ... Or with what have you earned this punishment?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-05 19:27:54)
Time to display all informations
Of course not. I have other computers... But slow connections have advantages : Finally I just can't loose too much time on the internet this way, watching 'youtube' videos or hunting divx & mp3 on edonkey, bit torrent...
So, convinced ? .. do we exchange ? :)
Karlheinz Weber (2006-09-05 20:09:23)
Translation
I could read this quite some times and I never realized that this means "draw offered"! And continued the game without saying a word....!!! (Please dear opponents, excuse me!)
Please write: "Ich biete Remis"!
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-05 23:13:06)
Time to display all informations
... watching videos, hunting for divX and mp3? What's that all? No time! I had to find the next move in the game no 1
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-06 03:41:02)
Time to display all informations
It seems complications did not begin yet... :)
Heinz-Georg, could you try a last time to load the tournament (with boards) page ? It should run 'a bit' faster now... Thanks !
Dirk Ghysens (2006-09-06 08:14:02)
Time to display...
Here in Poland (384 Kb/sec) it took 22 seconds to download; during the first 13 seconds nothing was being downloaded, apparently.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-06 09:04:10)
Time to display all informations
~ 15 seconds now.
I suspect the program uses most of the time to collect the information from the database tables. If I save the page it needs less than 400 kilobytes.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-06 13:21:27)
Time to display all informations
Actually, it's only due to recursive call s to other files...
I firstly thought this slowness was caused by browsers because of all the pictures to display. I was wrong... Now the program is less "beautiful", but it works much faster, don't you think ? ;)
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-06 14:16:25)
Time to display all informations
yes, it is much faster than the first version.
Two remarks:
- The reflection time also is shown if the game is already ended - and the time goes on.
- What does it mean if a text stands above the diagram? Example: in the game 1626 (FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_12__000001) I can read "ok".
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-06 14:42:30)
Time to display all informations
It's all corrected. Thanks for your help !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-06 15:43:12)
FIDE WCH : Kramnik vs. Topalov
Do you believe it ? .. now it's most probably almost sure :-)
We'll have a new FIDE-Classical world champion in a few weeks !
A reminder : This will be a 12-games match, taking place from September 21 to October 13 in the capital of Kalmykia (whose president is FIDE president : Kirsan Ilyumzhinov himself), Elista. In case of equality, four rapid games will be played, if equality again two blitz games will be played and finally a sudden death blitz game. The prize fund of one million US dollars will be equally divided between Vladimir Kramnik and Veselin Topalov, whatever the result. The looser won't play the next world championship tournament (quite strange).
Anyway, that's a great thing for chess, even if I'm not very optimistic for the next FIDE world championship cycles, particularly if the world champion has to play a knockout tournament, instead of a classical 12 or 24 games match...
My favourite in this match is still Kramnik because of his style, but Topalov is really getting stronger IMO... It will be a hard match !
Any predictions about the result & games ? .. Will Vladimir Kramnik play his Berlin defense in the Ruy Lopez again...
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-06 18:07:31)
Re:
I don't think Kram. will repeat it again. He's a very shrewd, master strategist. He'll keep Top. guessing. He would have found a weak point in Top. by now & aim to exploit it to the hilt. Experience in this sort of stage is on Kram.'s side because he has already faced the likes of Kasp. in lengthy battles. He even had the tenacity to win a last crucial game against Leko, if you remember. Kram. fears no one.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-06 23:44:33)
Vladimir Kramnik vs. Peter Leko
Hi Dinesh.
I still can't explain myself this incredible outcome in Brissago. First, this "extraordinary" Marshall gambit, Leko leading the whole match... At last Kramnik winning the very last game. Then Peter Leko smiling, just saying (~) : "I'm glad about my play." .. and that's finished.
It just reminded me the second match Kasparov vs. Deep Blue ...
Anyway, it's always time to be paranoid :-)
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-07 00:02:00)
Backgammon!?
Games without luck should be prefered.
It's very good that you support Go.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-07 12:28:40)
Re: Best Game.........
Game 342 is still preferred, but it has changed many times these last days.
Maybe I should also display several boards here...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-07 14:31:00)
C. Léotard, new ICCF world champion !
GM Christope Léotard (France) just won the ICCF final 19.
He obtained 8.5 points (+5 =7) in a category XV event, which started on April 20, 2004.
He is the XIXth ICCF World Champion !
Many congratulations to him !
http://www.iccf.com
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-07 18:59:40)
More options for Wikichess moves
Hi Ron !
Of course it makes sense, but too much marks could add more confusion than accuracy... As it's "open" & everyone can write, wikichess should stay easy to read and simple. It's better IMO to explain why a move is dubious or interesting than giving a lot of marks...
Graham Wyborn (2006-09-07 20:28:48)
Site Design
Would it be possible to have a bigger selection of "Site Design" colours.
I would prefer a simple all one colour pastel shade, or even a plain white. I am not too keen on diferent shades of colour on opposite sides of the screen. I am currently using the "grey" and some of the text almost fades into the darker colour.
Lionel Vidal (2006-09-08 16:58:11)
ChuShogi would get my vote.
ChuShogi is by far my favorite chess-like game: as deep as Go strategically, more profound than chess tactically (at least on par with big chess) and great fun to play. Like Go a very elaborate handicap system does exist.
Its main drawback is that, just like go, you have to invest some time to learn it to fully appreciate the game: chess, xianqi or even shogi are maybe more immediately grasped by beginners while in ChuShogi or in Go, it may take a few games (or more likely many games) before you realise what you should strive to do or not to do, and what that &#@@# game is all about :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-08 18:10:52)
Chess tournament : Zero-sum or not ?
While discussing about Sun Tzu's "The Art of War", and the question "Is the best player always the champion ?" (of course not IMO) , I was argued that any chess tournament "was" (actually could be "reduced to") a zero-sum game :
"In 1944 John von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern proved that any zero-sum game involving n players is in fact a generalised form of a zero-sum game for two persons, and that any non-zero-sum game for n players can be reduced to a zero-sum game for n + 1 players; the (n + 1) player representing the global profit or loss. This suggests that the zero-sum game for two players forms the essential core of mathematical game theory."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_sum_game
It seems to me that it's out of topic, but I couldn't say exactly why... In my opinion, a tournament is nearer life than game, at least quite far from it. Much more rules, often complex ones, and results that depend on many parameters you couldn't influence...
The word "champion" depends on accurate rules (the best player could finish 2nd, even if he wins all games ie. in an open tournament..), the "best player" depends on general opinion (most commonly through ratings), ie. Topalov vs. Kasparov ...
What do you think ? :-)
Where the discussion started from :
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060907/sirlin_01.shtml
I agree with many points about how to win, but the use of some words seems to be dubious...
I like much this quote :
"I was surprised to see that Capablanca did not initiate any active maneuvers and instead adopted a waiting game. In the end, his opponent made an imprecise move; the Cuban won a second pawn and soon the game. “Why didn’t you try to convert your material advantage straight away?” I ventured to ask the great chess virtuoso. He smiled indulgently. “It was more practical to wait.” "
—Mikhail Botvinnik, 6th World Chess Champion
Lionel Vidal (2006-09-09 10:40:13)
arimaa ?!
Arimaa may be a good choice too: it may be played on a chessboard, it is deep, fun and invented precisely to make any computer ridiculous :-) (Just like with Go and ChuShogi it is a very satisfying ego-boost-experience to feel vastly superior once in a while to even the best silicon brains :-))
And another point is that I don't know any site where you could play correpondence arimaa with a server. (whereas you can play Go or Chusogi at pbem server for instance... with even a graphical interface but not as comfortable as FICGS!)
Oh but wait... if you add a game, you'll have to change the name FICGS ? :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-09 13:21:38)
Backgammon, Arimaa
I'll have to think about that.. That's a pity there's a chance factor in this interesting game. I know chess grandmasters who are very good Backgammon players.
About Arimaa, that's a really strange game... But not very attractive IMO :/ .. That's amazing to see that the developper of "Bomb" is the one who created "Many faces of Go"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa
Lionel Vidal (2006-09-09 16:39:44)
Correspondence backgammon?
Where would be the fun? I mean, a program like Jellyfish could give me in a few hours by simulation the best move in a probability sense without any effort. Of course I can still play aginst the odds, but what would be the point to play inferior moves in the long run? (of course you can play, say in a casino, knowing you will loose in the long run and still have fun (I don't but that's only me), but in a strategic game?)
Compare to chess: an engine, say Fritz, can give what its evaluation function marks as the best move... but I can still play another one, because I see a better plan, or because I set up an ending I know I will draw (or win :-)... in short the proposed move may not be the best one, and I still have to make a choice... In other words, I may still have the illusion I have a chance :-)
The cases where Jellyfish will not give the *tried* and *validated* best moves are very rare with today computers... so where would be the fun being a button-man or being crushed in the long run by such one?
Lionel Vidal (2006-09-09 23:08:00)
Tavli
Is tavli the greek version of backgammon? I am not sure of the specific rules of that variant and I do not think Jellyfish could play it but I may be wrong.
BTW I find real time backgammon (by server or not) a great fun to play!
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-10 13:02:14)
Suggestion: A best game prize in future
I suggest there should be a BEST GAME PRIZE in the future (if Money Tournaments are a success in the future, which I'm sure it will be. That itself might generate some extra cash needed for this). A prize of.... say....US $ 100+ would be nice! Contenders for best game should be judged by a competent panel appointed by FICGS. Best Game could be selected once every month or once every two months. I think only one game should be submitted per each player, so that there's time enough for the panel to make a proper evaluation of the submitted games.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-10 15:53:02)
Money tournaments
I agree with that. It will take a long time (maybe one year) before all waiting lists are filled in a reasonable short period. But it slowly improves. I'm quite optimistic...
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-10 16:19:37)
Re: Money Tournaments.......
I'm optimistic! Probably double-player matches might be more popular than multi-player tournaments in Money Tournaments category, as it gives a better chance to win. Some players might play it for fun too, if GMs could be challenged for a fee. Many possibilities why it'll be a success.
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-10 22:54:54)
Not only the opening
With normal openings that you like only the personal power matters.
Don't pay attention to such bullshit openings.
It is worth to think about 1.b4, 1.g4 or 1.a3. These 3 examples are the border.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-11 00:26:57)
1.b4
Hello Ulrich.
1.b4 is not bad enough :) The idea is to organize ie. money matches (with only 1 game) & tournaments where draws can't happen. So it's important to have about 50% chances at a high level.
Just an idea.
Maybe normal start positions with a pawn less could work...
Gino Figlio (2006-09-11 13:45:43)
OTB idea
Why not for a 1-game match, use the OTB tie-breaking idea of black winning with the draw but starting with less time on the clock, 20% less in a fast time control match?
Mladen Jankovic (2006-09-11 14:15:22)
Tavli
Tavli is actualy three games. One of them is nearly identical to Backgammon (that would be Portes). The other two are Plakoto (my favourite) and Fevga (that's one primitive game).
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-11 14:15:48)
Gambits
Dear Thibault,
your examples were strange.
Let's have a look to employments of normal freaks like Bücker.
Let's have a look to Gambit variations in the Blackmar-Diemer like 5.Dxf3 or in the Kings Gambit.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-11 14:16:54)
Re:
If the one game is tied, have a very short game (perhaps 5 days or less each with Fisher time increment!?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-11 14:28:51)
Gambits + Time controls
Ulrich : There's no line without a major mistake, even in these gambits, that really offers 50% chances to both sides this way (win & win OR draw) in my opinion. That's why I thought about these mad lines...
Dinesh : As I responded to Gino, time can't be an acceptable compromise. I thought about it already in order to find the best way to decide between players who tie in the WCH tournaments. It depends too much on personal parameters. There will probably be a kind of "infinite challenge", where the game starts again until one looses.. but it may be long in some cases :)
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-12 01:07:36)
White to win
What's the matter with 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Lb7 3.Ld3 f5? I think it's won for white.
You should look for a position hat would give White 50% chances to win & Black 50% chances draw.
Only well known openings can give an experience for a score.
Ulrich Imbeck (2006-09-12 01:09:41)
!?
I had a lost as White a tournament game with it.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-12 12:55:06)
Scoring function for Go
Hello to all.
I'll add in a few days a scoring function for Go games. Players could retire dead groups, then the program just covers the board (line after line & column after column to compare) and adds empty spaces points to the stones that surround it. The aim is to give an evaluation of the position only, not to decide the result automatically.
Just tell me if you have an idea about a better algorithm, as I realize the difficulty of programming Go.
Thanks in advance ! ;)
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-09-12 13:19:57)
Math... *sigh*
LOL Thibault, I guess it was.
I'm no mathematician (far from it), but I don't think that this theory will turn out to be true anytime in the near future, even in a "predictable" game like chess. Even chess engines depend on the skill of their programmers to find new ways to make their search algorithms become reliable and faster, and tablebase development is still petabytes away from being complete.
Anyway, I guess the future generations will have to tell us if it worked or not. Only God knows what can get in the way of this "gaming nirvana" as they call, and after I heard that it was proven possible that a computer user can subconciously influenciate the way an idle machine performs, I don't feel like trying to impersonate Baba Vanga on this subject! ;)
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-09-14 05:19:28)
Greetings from GameKnot :)
Hello friends, my name is Thomas, and I am the representative from GameKnot. We look forward to playing a match against you! GameKnot has played two matches vs. other sites in the past, and we have enjoyed the competition very much. It is my sincere hope that we can pull this thing off! As FICGS is a newer site with a smaller community than ours, we hope that you guys can field a team of approximately 12-20 players of ALL ratings ranges. We intend to put up at least 2 players in each of 7 ratings classes (U2400, U2200, U2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, and U1200). The rules of the match are currently being negotiated between Thibault and myself, and we would like to commence as soon as possible. I highly encourage the members of FICGS to participate, as these matches are a lot of fun! You guys will get a chance to visit our site, and we yours. Please contact Thibault and sign on! We look forward to seeing you OTB :)
Miguel Pires (2006-09-15 01:05:13)
Chess database
This is the rules of the gk, you can see in this link
http://gameknot.com/pg/pol_community.htm
What is important is this one:
3. You may not use chess engines, chess programs, chess computers to help you decide your next move. You may not consult with anyone nor ask advice about any games in progress. You may analyze games with chess engines after they are finished. You may consult chess books or game/move databases at any time.
Soo i can consult databases. You can fin the tablebases in PGN or other thing, by this rule you can use, any databasese, oppening, games etc. Don't you agree?
Regard's
Miguel Pires
Miguel Pires (2006-09-15 02:50:58)
well
you are the boss, if say soo, for me is ok. But for shure some not going to do that. And now we have a big problem, the OTB Vs CC rating. Cairo from GK have an elo in OTB +2300, mor or less the same at GK an ICCF, but others, the thing's are different. Like me, i'm a +1700 in otb, and + 2000 in this site, and in GK i'm a +1900 (a lot of timeouts put my rating in 1756 now). soo playng in CC without any help (databases like i play in GK) is hard to play at + 2000. And we need players with good OTB rating's to.
Like i say, you are the boss.
what time controls we going to use?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-15 03:08:36)
Ratings used
It's logical IMO to consider OTB ratings if we all play in OTB conditions, without computer assistance... FIDE or self-estimated OTB ratings should prevail over CC ratings (ICCF, FICGS or so) for the pairings.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-15 17:09:17)
Scoring function for Go
The scoring function for Go is now online !
When you are to play your move, there's a (Score) link under the Goban, that leads to the score page. Just enter a stone coordinates (ie. f14) for each group to remove, separated by space or coma, then Submit.
The score is calculated by covering the board horizontally, then vertically... If the two results are near from each other, the estimation may be quite good. Empty points between black stones and white stones are shared !
Here is an example - http://www.ficgs.com/game_814.html
Game 814, removed groups : m19 l16 f13 d11 f7 g4 k4 b5
Scoring method : Horizontally
Black points : 240 White points : 106 Unknown points : 15
* Scoring method : Vertically
Black points : 238 White points : 102 Unknown points : 21
Black wins the game by about 135 points.
Reminder : This program doesn't decide the game, it gives an evaluation only !! .. It's up to the players to discuss the score, then resign.
All feedbacks welcome !
Elmer Valderrama (2006-09-16 10:20:16)
color won't matter
yes, color or turn to move at start has little importance: Black to move, he would play 0.d5 1...Nf6 now is White to make second move 2.Nf3 for example..then Black would have 66% chances to win...
(or at least significantly more chances than in the usual starting position)
I mean 66% to win, 33% to draw and 1% to lose ;) (that's 34% to draw and lose)
I think the more moves are given to White(Black) the more advantage he will have, i.e. statistics would be higher to win (like 80%, 19.5% to draw and 0.5% to lose)
However all this could be tested in practice, it certainly could add more picant (spice?!) to the game ;)
Elmer Valderrama (2006-09-16 13:49:35)
better extra moves
..I'd like to have a choice of those 4 extras moves: Nf3,d4,e4,Nc3 are not the best, IMHO ;)
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-09-16 23:46:58)
Udate from GameKnot:
I just wanted to give you guys a heads up as to the players from my site that are being CONSIDERED for playing in the match. As ratings fluctuate, I have simply rounded and given approximate strength:
mateintwo - 2400+
cyrano - 2400+
cairo - 2300+
fmgaigin - 2300+
drdesoto - 2300+
papani - 2300+
harlekin - 2300+
nestorix - 2300+
drunken_rabbit - 2200+
kumpan - 2200+
grandpatzer - 2200+
os5213 - 2200+
carlosmart - 2200+
chrisp - 2100+
nottop - 2100+
gloomy_den - 1900+
thumper - 1700+
gwalchmai - 1600+
tugger - 1600+
yanm - 1500+
mattw - 1500+
patagusto - 1500+
tag1153 - 1400+
cjjpeterson - 1400+
simian9 - 1400+
eqj2 - 1400+
hollcanna - 1300+
dewillget8 - 1200+
mozz - 1200+
These GameKnot players have expressed an interest in playing. More will sign on I'm sure, as I have set Oct 1, 2006 as the sign up deadline. I will put together our team during the first week of October, and will be ready to commence play by the second week of October. During the interim, Thibault and I will finalize the details of the match. I realize that this short list is very master and expert heavy, but have no worries - I will be contacting more of our A, B, C, and D class players and asking them to participate. We look forward to the match:)
Thomas
Claude Brisson (2006-09-18 06:40:34)
Problem with Go scorer
Hello.
Nice effort to have a go scorer, but it still needs some improvements.
Look at this game:
http://www.ficgs.com/game_2093.html
After move 138, there isn't any ambiguity on the goban.
After removing dead groups,
q1 t3 k3 s5 t9 s10 q11 h11 t12 p12 h15 t16 f16
all the intersections are either black or white.
The scoring methods says:
* Scoring method : Horizontally
Black points : 103
White points : 244
Unknown points : 14
* Scoring method : Vertically
Black points : 103
White points : 268
Unknown points : -10
Rather strange. Scores should be the same. Where do those unknown points come from?
Thanks,
Claude
Dirk Ghysens (2006-09-18 10:33:56)
Not all, Henri
I know of two exceptions:
1. Yelena Dembo, FIDE rating 2466, WGM, IM, and a GM norm; rating at Gameknot 1775;
2. Marius Ceteras, FIDE rating 2427, FM (he missed IM title due to a strange decision by FIDE officials), very well-known correspondence chess personality, chess publisher, organiser etc.; rating at Gameknot 1740 (not in top 2000 there and loses regularly against 1800 rated patzers).
Unfortunately Yelena Dembo is no longer playing at Gameknot; they threw her out.
Also Marius Ceteras has no ongoing games there during the past month.
So you may be right after all: most players above 1600 are using a chess engine (except the WIMs, WGMs, FMs, and IMs rated below 1800), and certainly all players above 1800 (with one possible exception, a WIM from Holland/Russia, who managed a rating slightly above 1800, but she got thrown out also, for being a nuisance).
BTW, it boggles my mind why the use of tablebases is allowed there; unlike engines, tablebases tell you the perfect move to play and what the outcome will be with 100% certainty.
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-09-18 12:55:35)
My friends at FICGS:
I am a little concerned, yet understanding, of your feelings about the possibility of cheating in our proposed match. Please understand that there are two sides to the suspicion coin. For those of you who are not familiar with the GameKnot website, let me assure you that I will only be putting up players who I am familiar with, and who have proven themselves to play honorably. I am a three year veteran of GameKnot, and play on the site daily. I will be selecting my team from players whom I feel confident will conduct themselves within the rules we agree on. The intent of arranging this match is NOT to simply put up all of our master level players and attempt to whitewash you guys 100-0. The intent is to provide as MANY matches of ALL ratings ranges for a fun, competetive match. If we lose every match we will have no hard feelings towards you. As the game results in our proposed match will have no bearing on ratings changes, we view the match as a simple, friendly exercise. So, having said all of that, we hope that FICGS will offer up as many people as possible, and Thibault and myself will pair them with my guys in such a way that is FAIR and equitable to both sides. Should anyone here at FICGS have any questions, please feel free to post them here or in the GameKnot forum (in the GameKnot Related threads). Thanks:) - Thomas
James Stripes (2006-09-18 13:46:35)
excessive fears
Of course cheating is always a danger, but I doubt more than a small minority of players do it. Chess appeals to those who enjoy solving problems more than to those who need to maintain a artificial number (rating) alongside a fictitious name. Cheaters likely lose interest fairly quickly.
I've played at GameKnot and many similar sites. If any more than a half-dozen of my 300 or so opponents were cheating, they were doing so badly.
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-09-18 13:52:13)
Dinesh
FYI it was not I who brought up GameKnot players being expelled from our site, but I can comment on it. Players have been expelled from GameKnot for numerous reasons. Some include 1) ratings manipulation, 2) using computers to recommend moves (our webmaster investigates all complaints re: games where, say, a 1300 player defeats a master, etc...), 3) foul language and/or intimidating behavior, and 4) general behavior that is unsportsmanlike. We pride ourselves at GameKnot on playing honorably, and do not tolerate otherwise.
:) Thomas
James Stripes (2006-09-18 15:56:13)
27 years ago
When I first played correspondence chess, books were encouraged and the few chess engines in existence were garbage. Good quality engines and comprehensive databases have changed the nature of correspondence play.
Nearly everyone permits databases (electronic books), although endgame tablebases are less clear. Engines are permitted some places, while banned others. This site is my first foray into CC where engine use is permitted, but I've played at dozens of sites where I can use databases. (I don't believe I've ever reached a position in which tablebases would be useful, except a few elementary positions that any average player could win against Kramnik.)
These inter-site matches, it seems to me, nurture connections across the broad community of correspondence players--a rapidly expanding coterie of chess aficionados thanks to the likes of GameKnot and similar sites.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-19 11:54:41)
Re:
Marc,
I think more important than that is listing whether a member is male or female. That seems to be missing.
Jaimie Wilson (2006-09-19 14:28:46)
match GameKnot-FICGS
Here at FICGS, real names have to be supplied. This gives FICGS a human element that encourages honour and sportsmanship and in my opinion gives this site a clear edge over its rivals.
James Stripes (2006-09-19 14:40:17)
Cheating data
95% is an interesting figure and quite an accusation. Could you provide some evidence to support this contention, or at least explain the reasons for your belief? I would say from looking at the blunders during my brief stint at GK that if any players between 1600 and 2100 were cheating, they were incompetent engine users. I cannot imagine using an engine for assistance and achieving a rating below 2100 there.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-19 15:03:13)
Computer use on GameKnot......
I just read GameKnot forum about the FICGS vs. GameKnot match :
http://gameknot.com/fmsg/chess3/3860.shtml
It seems to me this question of computer use on GameKnot is quite out of topic (and on the wrong forum)... I proposed to GameKnot rep (Thomas) to prohibite any computer assistance (engines + databases) for the match or to simply authorize it, as I think more players from FICGS would play, and surely players from GameKnot too... Then everyone is free to play, accepting the rules and the risk of cheating (quite small IMO), but it's up to I & Thomas to deal with that. This debate shouldn't happen here IMHO.
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-09-19 16:21:14)
Thematic tournament 14
IMO - after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 white has easy win: Nxf7 and Nxh8. Exchange and pawn more.
May be it is possible to put 4.. d5 instead of 4.. Bc5?! No one is in the waiting list yet.
Cirulis
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-19 16:38:37)
2 knights defense : Traxler variation
Really ? .. What about 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ ?
A line already exists in Wikichess for Traxler counterattack... Let's improve it ?! :)
Elmer Valderrama (2006-09-19 19:42:56)
FICGS correspondence chess database
That's a great improvement on the former listing of un/finished games (somehow it took ages to load those pages on my PC).
Now why is it that it will be updated 'at least' every 2 months, not daily as the former pages?
(assuming fetching all the PGN scores into a single PGN file is done automatically by a script)
Thanks
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-19 21:25:57)
FICGS correspondence chess database
Hello Elmer.
Former databases were not updated daily, it were generated in real time... It could be updated daily yet, but as it will grow up a lot & quickly, I prefer to make it myself (instead of the robots).
Best regards.
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-09-20 01:17:58)
+-
Look in WikiChess. About cxd6 - white wins after Bf7+ Kf8 d3. About Nxd6 - white wins after Qf3. IMO
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-20 03:25:45)
It is a draw...
Ilmars, I'm convinced it is a draw :) .. I think I'll stop there, we can't analyze all lines. This is one of the most interesting chess openings but there's no time enough...
One interesting thing at chess : When there's a way to obtain a draw in a bloody good line, there's always a way to obtain a draw in all other bloody good lines :) (maybe it doesn't mean anything, but I understand myself ;))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-20 07:39:09)
Wikichess - Famous chess games !
An interesting update in Wikichess : It's now possible to enter, locate, watch (with the javascript viewer) and comment famous chess games move by move !
You can now analyze the Immortal game, entered as an example.
The program simply locates the last articles (that should be entered at the very last move of the games) which start with "End of game : "
ie - "End of fame : G. Kasparov - A. Karpov (Moscow)"
All feedbacks welcome.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-23 21:19:51)
Kramnik wins Game 1
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (game 1)
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Bg2 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 a5 7.Qc2 Bxd2+ 8.Qxd2 c6 9.a4 b5 10.axb5 cxb5 11.Qg5 0-0 12.Qxb5 Ba6 13.Qa4 Qb6 14.0-0 Qxb2 15.Nbd2 Bb5 16.Nxc4 Bxa4 17.Nxb2 Bb5 18.Ne5 Ra7 19.Bf3 Nbd7 20.Nec4 Rb8 21.Rfb1 g5 22.e3 g4 23.Bd1 Bc6 24.Rc1 Be4 25.Na4 Rb4 26.Nd6 Bf3 27.Bxf3 gxf3 28.Nc8 Ra8 29.Ne7+ Kg7 30.Nc6 Rb3 31.Nc5 Rb5 32.h3 Nxc5 33.Rxc5 Rb2 34.Rg5+ Kh6 35.Rgxa5 Rxa5 36.Nxa5 Ne4 37.Rf1 Nd2 38.Rc1 Ne4 39.Rf1 f6 40.Nc6 Nd2 41.Rd1 Ne4 42.Rf1 Kg6 43.Nd8 Rb6 44.Rc1 h5 45.Ra1 h4 46.gxh4 Kh5 47.Ra2 Kxh4 48.Kh2 Kh5 49.Rc2 Kh6 50.Ra2 Kg6 51.Rc2 Kf5 52.Ra2 Rb5 53.Nc6 Rb7 54.Ra5+ Kg6 55.Ra2 Kh5 56.d5 e5 57.Ra4 f5 58.Nxe5 Rb2 59.Nd3 Rb7 60.Rd4 Rb6 61.d6 Nxd6 62.Kg3 Ne4+ 63.Kxf3 Kg5 64.h4+ Kf6 65.Rd5 Nc3 66.Rd8 Rb1 67.Rf8+ Ke6 68.Nf4+ Ke5 69.Re8+ Kf6 70.Nh5+ Kg6 71.Ng3 Rb2 72.h5+ Kf7 73.Re5 Nd1 74.Ne2 Kf6 75.Rd5 1-0
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-24 20:53:32)
Kramnik wins Game 2
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (game 2)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.0-0 Nbd7 9.Qe2 Bg6 10.e4 0-0 11.Bd3 Bh5 12.e5 Nd5 13.Nxd5 cxd5 14.Qe3 Bg6 15.Ng5 Re8 16.f4 Bxd3 17.Qxd3 f5 18.Be3 Nf8 19.Kh1 Rc8 20.g4 Qd7 21.Rg1 Be7 22.Nf3 Rc4 23.Rg2 fxg4 24.Rxg4 Rxa4 25.Rag1 g6 26.h4 Rb4 27.h5 Qb5 28.Qc2 Rxb2 29.hxg6 h5 30.g7 hxg4 31.gxf8Q+ Bxf8 32.Qg6+ Bg7 33.f5 Re7 34.f6 Qe2 35.Qxg4 Rf7 36.Rc1 Rc2 37.Rxc2 Qd1+ 38.Kg2 Qxc2+ 39.Kg3 Qe4 40.Bf4 Qf5 41.Qxf5 exf5 42.Bg5 a5 43.Kf4 a4 44.Kxf5 a3 45.Bc1 Bf8 46.e6 Rc7 47.Bxa3 Bxa3 48.Ke5 Rc1 49.Ng5 Rf1 50.e7 Re1+ 51.Kxd5 Bxe7 52.fxe7 Rxe7 53.Kd6 Re1 54.d5 Kf8 55.Ne6+ Ke8 56.Nc7+ Kd8 57.Ne6+ Kc8 58.Ke7 Rh1 59.Ng5 b5 60.d6 Rd1 61.Ne6 b4 62.Nc5 Re1+ 63.Kf6 Re3 0-1
Great game, great match, real chess !
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-09-26 08:38:26)
...f5?? > ...f5!!
The fact that Topalov had the guts to not simply go for a draw in a game against Kramnik made my opinion on him go up by 100%. 57...f5?? will be on my memory as the move that didn't let the first WC I was able to see live become a dull, drawish face-off.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-26 17:11:57)
Kramnik vs. Topalov (Elista)
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (game 3)
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 dxc4 5.Bg2 Nc6 6.Qa4 Bd7 7.Qxc4 Na5 8.Qd3 c5 9.0-0 Bc6 10.Nc3 cxd4 11.Nxd4 Bc5 12.Rd1 Bxg2 13.Qb5+ Nd7 14.Kxg2 a6 15.Qd3 Rc8 16.Bg5 Be7 17.Bxe7 Qxe7 18.Rac1 Nc4 19.Na4 b5 20.b3 0-0 21.bxc4 bxa4 22.Nc6 Rxc6 23.Qxd7 Qc5 24.Rc3 g6 25.Rb1 h5 26.Rb7 e5 27.e4 Rf6 28.Rc2 Qa3 29.Qd1 Rd6 30.Rd2 Rfd8 31.Rd5 Rxd5 32.cxd5 Qxa2 33.Qf3 Rf8 34.Qd3 a3 35.Rb3 f5 36.Qxa6 Qxb3 37.Qxg6+ Kh8 38.Qh6+ Kg8 1/2-1/2
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-27 18:31:56)
Topalov vs. Kramnik
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (game 4)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Nf3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.a3 b4 10.Ne4 Nxe4 11.Bxe4 bxa3 12.0-0 Bd6 13.b3 Nf6 14.Nd2 Qc7 15.Bf3 Bxh2+ 16.Kh1 Bd6 17.Nc4 Be7 18.Bxa3 0-0 19.Bxe7 Qxe7 20.Ra5 Rfd8 21.Kg1 c5 22.Rxc5 Ne4 23.Bxe4 Bxe4 24.Qg4 Bd3 25.Ra1 Rac8 26.Raa5 Rb8 27.Qd1 Be4 28.Qa1 Rb7 29.Nd2 Bg6 30.Qc3 h6 31.Ra6 Kh7 32.Nc4 Be4 33.f3 Bd5 34.Nd2 Rdb8 35.Qd3+ f5 36.Rc3 Qh4 37.Ra1 Qg3 38.Qc2 Rf7 39.Rf1 Qg6 40.Qd3 Qg3 41.Rfc1 Rfb7
42.Qc2 Qg5 43.Ra1 Qf6 44.Qd3 Rd7 45.Ra4 Rbd8 46.Rc5 Kg8 47.Nc4 Bxc4 48.Raxc4 f4 49.Rc6 fxe3 50.Qxe3 Rxd4 51.Rxe6 Qh4 52.Rxd4 Qxd4 53.Re8+ Kh7 54.Qxd4 1/2-1/2
Halil Kiren (2006-09-27 19:24:38)
My vacation (BUG)
I am currently using my vacation time..so I can't make any move..But the thing is my clock is still working and I'm losing my games ..I want the administrators to find a solution to this.I have lost a game because of this so far and I'm about to lose one more...i lost game 2036 ..and.. game 2006.. my clock = 1 day 02:12:02..what will i do??
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-27 20:17:26)
Vacation & time limit per move
Hello Halil.
Unfortunately, this is not a bug :/
Here is the message you may have read just before you confirmed your days leave :
"Make sure you have no pending moves for more than 30 days before taking days leave, as the time per move clock is still running during vacation." (time per move clock is the one between brackets)
Rules 11.4 : "Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time."
You did not play any move in game 2036 for more than 60 days. Actually, you did not play any move for about 40 days when you took your ~20 days leave. The aim of this rule is to avoid too long delays for a single move. Usually, 30 days is enough...
Anyway, I send you an email about this problem.
Best wishes. Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-29 03:40:57)
Re: A small Go help
Hi Don.
That's a very good idea but I have to think about that. The program avoids to read all moves in order to display the goban. First priority is to save time processing... This change would add some work. But that's right, it would be better.
To be continued.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-29 13:03:02)
Psycho(logical) games by Topalov's team?
[moderator : please don't copy exact content (news, articles..) from other websites]
Common toilet for both players.
29.09.2006 The Appeals Committee of FIDE has taken a decision on protest by the Bulgarian delegation who, after viewing the video tapes, stated that Kramnik would visit the toilet too often. A common toilet will be opened for both players.
The Appeals Committee : FIDE Deputy President IM Georgios Makropoulos, Continental President for Americas FM Jorge Vega, FIDE Vice President Zurab Azmaiparashvili.
More - http://www.chessbase.com
Graham Wyborn (2006-09-29 14:06:02)
Clock - Out of time
Does my opponent still have to resign. This is my first win with "Out of Time"
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-29 14:09:34)
Chess & psychology...
Game 5 :
The start of the game had been delayed, now Topalov is sitting at the board and Kramnik's clock is running while Vladimir Kramnik is waiting in the rest room for his toilet to open. A press conference by Georgios Makropoulos is about to start.
The game couldn't start unless the toilet is opened...
:-)
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-29 13:09:10)
Psycho(logical) games?...........
Silvio Danailov.,
Manager of the Bulgarian team says:
To all mass media
Ladies and Gentlemen,
After we got acquainted with the ruling of the Appeals Committee of the Topalov vs. Kramnik world championship match we deem it necessary to point out the following:
The ruling in its present form is not satisfactory to us since it practically does not result in any change. Mr. Kramnik will be able to visit the new bathroom an unlimited number of times without being subject to further control.
We would accept the current relaxation rooms to continue to be used provided that the presence of controllers in both rooms is ensured.
When the two players need to go to the bathroom, they should be accompanied by an assistant arbiter.
The checks carried out in the relaxation rooms were made only by experts of the Organizing Committee, whereas our experts were present as observers and only after the second game.
We find it difficult to understand why is it that the accredited journalists are denied access to the video tapes from the relaxation rooms.
The World Champion Veselin Topalov is outraged by the suspicious behavior of his opponent Mr. Vladimir Kramnik who in actual fact takes his most significant decisions in the bathroom.
Despite the above, in the name of the chess game and out of respect to FIDE, to Kalmikia and the millions of chess lovers, Veselin Topalov is willing to continue his participation in the match provided that measures to guarantee fair play are taken.
If the match were to continue, the World Champion would refrain from shaking hands with Mr. Kramnik before the games and would not take part in joint press conferences with him. Veselin Topalov will make statements for the media separately.
We look forward to receiving your response by 14.30 h hoping that it will give concrete answers to the questions that we pose.
28.09.2006
Elista Sincerely:
Silvio Danailov
Manager of the Bulgarian team
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-29 13:14:25)
Kramnik's team says...........
Kramnik threatens to stop playing the match......
29.09.2006 Statement from the team of Vladimir Kramnik, rejecting the decision of the Appeals Committee of FIDE : "The protests of the Topalov team and the suspicions in the press release of Mr. Topalov are utterly disgraceful and are touching Mr. Kramnik’s privacy."
Elista, 29 September 2006
Open Letter to FIDE President H.E. Kirsan Iljumshinov
Copied to Executive Committee of Kalmykia Mr. Valery Bovaev, Chief Arbiter Mr. Geurt Gijssen, Russian Chess Federation
Dear Mr. President,
The Appeals Committee of the World Championship Match between Veselin Topalov and Vladimir Kramnik made the following decision on the protest of the Topalov Team:
“to close both the toilets in the players rest rooms and to open another toilet that will be available only to the two players”
The Kramnik team received the mentioned decision a few hours before the start of game 5 and was officially informed about the protest of Mr. Topalov only yesterday evening, 10 p.m., 28 September 2006. With such a decision the WCC Committee is clearly violating both the rules and regulations of the WCC match and the rights of Mr. Kramnik.
The relevant clause in contract of Mr. Kramnik expels: “FIDE shall provide a rest room and toilette for the players during the WCC match in the playing hall and close to the stage (if possible backstage) to be equipped with a live monitor furnished with coffee and tea as well as with light refreshments.”
The reasons that Mr. Kramnik is entering his own bathroom often is simple: The restroom is small and Mr. Kramnik likes to walk and therefore uses the space of the bathroom as well. The Appeals Committee has been informed about the issue before they decided. It should also be mentioned that Mr. Kramnik has to drink a lot of water during the games.
On the request of Mr. Topalov the agreed live monitors have been removed as well as the shower cabines in the bath rooms. The moves are provided on demonstration boards only. The substance of Mr. Topalov protests (dated 22, 24 and 28 September 2006) were basically always met by the approval of the Appeals Committee. Everything has been done here to satisfy Mr. Topalov’s requests.
On a regulary basis the restrooms and toiletts are heavily checked by specialists, obviously local police forces. This goes together with the arrival of the players. The arbiters are observing all the measures. One representative of each team has the right of being present in order to observe the activities. The playing area is banned from signals and the glas wall protects from any kind of view contact and/or body language. There is not a single reason or evidence to believe that a player would have any kind of cheating possibilities.
It is and was no problem for the organization to assure all necessary measures in order to avoid any kind of cheating. By starting the match both participants agreed all the playing conditions de facto and de jure and the conditions are therefore legally binding. Any change of the playing conditions without a good reason would in our understanding request the approval of both players which is not the case here.
Mr. Kramnik believes that the latest decision should increasingly concern the world of chess as it shows very clearly and once again the biased stand of the Appeals Committee members involved. In person: Mr. Makropolous, Mr. Azmaiparashivili (well known as a close friend to Mr. Danailov), Mr. Gelfer (now replaced by Mr. Vega). Therefore Mr. Kramnik requests to exchange the mentioned persons immediately. Enough is enough.
We would like to add that the recent decision not only insults Mr. Kramnik but is clearly critizing both the excellent work of the local organisation at Elista and the nominated arbiters. Yesterday evening the chief arbiter and the head of the excutive committee once again confirmed that the indirect accusations of cheating are nonsense.
The protests of the Topalov team into the direction of Mr. Kramnik and the suspicions in the press release of Mr. Topalov are utterly disgraceful and are touching Mr. Kramnik’s privacy. We do not think that the Topalov team has any right of getting access to the recordings. This shall be job of the nominated arbiters only.
The Topalov team includes a parapsychologist and more people which are obviously having no other tasks as to distract and to insult Mr. Kramnik especially since their team is realizing that Mr. Topalov finds himself in a difficult situation. This is what we call an utterly unfair behaviour which is not in accordance with the FIDE Code of Ethics. The decision taken by the Appeals Committee can only be seen as another attempt to disturb Mr. Kramniks concentration since it is difficult to understand what kind of improvement it shall be to have one toilet instead of two.
Our team does not trust the objectivity of the Appeals Committee anymore. Therefore it makes no sense for us to bring a protest to this table and Mr. Kramnik strongly insists once again that the members of the Appeals Committee will be changed immediately and that the heads of the Organizing Committee are taking their responsibilities.
In the meanwhile Mr. Kramnik will stop playing this match as long as FIDE is not ready to respect Mr. Kramnik’s rights, in this case to use the toilet of his own restroom whenever he wishes to do so.
Further and more detailed legal investigations are already in process.
On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik
Yours sincerely,
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-29 14:12:14)
Clock - Out of time
Hi Graham.
You just have to wait a few hours, the game will be adjudicated automatically.
Best regards. Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-29 15:57:14)
Fischer vs. Spassky ?
Vladimir Kramnik did not play game 5 !
All this reminds me the first match Fischer vs. Spassky... In a documentary, Boris Spassky said he lost the match when he accepted Fischer's new conditions (ie. playing in another room) in order to continue to play...
Seems to be quite the same situation here...
Now who made the mistake : Kramnik, Topalov or FIDE... I hope game 5 will be replayed.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-09-29 16:56:32)
Re:
If game number 5 is declared a loss for Kramnik due to forfeit, then Kramnik made a bad choice by not playing, as it's almost a free point for Topalov who was 2 points adrift. It would seem Topalov's team's psychological warfare/psychological trap has won over by closing the gap. If game number 5 is replayed, Kramnik has gained the upper hand in psychology, and Topalov's team's supposed psychology has backfired on them. I think FIDE is in a very awkward position. FIDE should clearly state who's accusations are true or false and make immediate, clear decisions regarding the whole situation. Otherwise, the World Championship will be seen as a real fiasco.
Nigel Davies (2006-09-29 22:59:40)
Topalov's Outrageous Accusation
I'm of the opinion that Topalov's accusations are an outrageous bit of gamesmanship - there's no evidence whatsoever that Kramnik was 'cheating' in some way so this looks like an attempt to embarrass him.
If Kramnik sticks to his guns this will backfire on Topalov. I don't believe Kramnik should continue whilst his opponent (backed, in its actions by the 'appeal committee) is essentially saying that he was cheating in some way. At one time this would have meant pistols at dawn.
Nigel
PS. There's more at my blog: http://www.gmgrowl.com
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-30 01:26:09)
Server / Email - Time control
Hello to all.
Two players, formerly playing email chess at ICCF, recently lost a game on time with the 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves time control and mentioned the difference between FICGS and email chess ways to count time.
FICGS time controls are a bit harder because there's no classical email chess 'bonus day' added for each move due to time difference between countries. It seems to me that the difference is not so important with 40 days... On the contrary, the 30 days + 1 day / move scheme is quite hard ! ...
Now the question : Do you think a slower time control should be offered in future ?
Thanks for feedback. Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-30 01:35:07)
FICGS Go / Weiqi rules
Hello Roger.
Two ways to reach FICGS Go rules :
1. 'Help', then 'FICGS general rules' or 'Chess & Go playing rules' links.
2. 'Membership' link after you logout. Or this direct link :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing
Reminder : FICGS Go rules (2006 september 30)
"Go games are played on a 19 x 19 goban. Go moves are given by coordinates a1 to t19 (e.g. : s13), as showed on the go viewer. Please note that i letter doesn't exist on the viewer, so any move with letter i (e.g. : i5) won't be understood by the viewer, consequently the move is false. Please let the graphical interface generate the move. Komi is 7.5 points. Please note that you can pass, just entering 'pass'.
Rules for Go are chinese rules, as defined by the Chinese Weiqi Association. Both players must play until one resign, both players pass (then call referee) or game is adjudicated. It's up to the players to discuss the score at the end of the game, so calling referee should be exceptional. Scoring method is area scoring with chinese counting. Positional superko rule apply, it's impossible to repeat a previous board position."
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-30 03:31:40)
Topalov vs. FIDE vs. Kramnik
I agree with you, Nigel.
Obviously Topalov's team 'manipulates' FIDE against Kramnik. Worked quite well... But now the situation seems to be best for both Topalov and Kramnik... If the match does not continue Kramnik will stay clear classical World Chess Champion (3-1) with a new legitimacy, Topalov will stay clear FIDE World Chess Champion (playing the best chess) and FIDE will remain... the organizer of chess championships in Kalmykia... :/
Finally, only FIDE made a clear mistake during the event, but is it so important... Kramnik wins, Topalov wins, Ilyumzhinov always wins...
I hope the match will continue but I'm not very optimistic.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-09-30 03:39:05)
Vladimir Kramnik - Open letter
Open Letter To
FIDE President
Kirsan Iljumshinov
Russian Chess Federation
Elista, 29. September 2006
Requests of Vladimir Kramnik
• To proceed with GAME 5
Clause 3.17.1., Schedule 2 of the contract:
“All protests must be submitted in writing to the Appeals Committee not more than 2 hours after the relevant playing session.”
The protest made by the Topalov Team were not made within this window after game 4 (27 September 2006) but only hit the FIDE Office and the Appeals Committee on the rest day (28 September 2006). Therefore the protests are not even relevant and should have been rejected by the Appeals Committee immediately.
Clause 3.18.3., Schedule 2 of the contract:
“After the World Chess Championship Committee agrees with the Organizers on the arrangements in respect of the tournament hall, facilities etc. etc. etc……., no objections from the participants shall be acceptable as long as the conditions are in accordance with the rights of the players granted in their agreements.”
This clause clearly underlines the statement made in today’s Open letter: “By starting the match both participants agreed all the playing conditions de facto and de jure and the conditions are therefore legally binding. Any change of the playing conditions without a good reason would in our understanding request the approval of both players which is not the case here.”
Therefore it is clear that the Appeals Committee took a completely wrong decision and was obviously not even aware of the Rules and Regulations. The decision of Chief Arbiter Mr. Gijssen to forfeit game 5 was clearly based on a wrong decision of the Appeals Committee and shall be nullified.
Mr. Kramnik is ready to continue the match and to play the 5th game (with a leading score of 3:1) on the conditions that were accepted prior to the start of the match.
• Toilet issue
The toilets connected to the restrooms shall be opened again. This request is in accordance with clauses 3.17.1. and 3.18.3 (see above) and in the general understanding that by starting of the match both participants agreed to all the playing conditions. Any change of the playing conditions without a good reason would require the approval of both players which is not the case here.
Mr. Kramnik is ready to accept even stricter controls by sealing the toilets before and after inspections. Inspections shall be done before and after each game.
• Exchange of members of the Appeals Committee
We repeat that the Kramnik team does not trust the objectivity of the Appeals Committee anymore. It is evident from this letter and our first Open Letter today that the existing Appeals Committee is biased and incompetent. Mr. Kramnik strongly insists once again that the members of the Appeals Committee will be exchanged immediately.
• Access to Recordings
As Mr. Kramnik in the press conference stated he did not sign a contract for acting in a reality show. The recordings shall be observed by the arbiters. Neither Team Topalov nor Team Kramnik shall have access to the recordings. Investigations shall be in the sole responsibility of the Arbiters.
• Requested Apology
Last but not least Mr. Kramnik believes that Mr. Danailov should apologize to Mr. Kramnik in writing. Remarks such as:
“If the match were to continue, the World Champion will refrain from shaking hands with Mr. Kramnik before the games and will not take part in joint press conferences with him.” and “Veselin Topalov is disturbed by the suspicious behavior of his opponent Mr. Vladimir Kramnik who takes his most significant decisions in the bathroom.” are clearly insulting.
On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik
Yours sincerely,
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)
Don Groves (2006-09-30 04:39:26)
Prostate problems?
Speaking as one who has been there, a prime cause for frequent male urination is an enlarged, or perhaps even cancerous, prostate gland. Given that GM Kramnik has been described as ill, this seems a far more likely reason for restroom visits than cheating!
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-09-30 08:04:38)
Re:
I think Kram's manager is right on spot there: Contract states that you have to file your complain up to 2 hours after the game in which a possible incident has occurred. Danailov's letter was sent on a rest day, so it shouldn't even have been discussed at all!
Topalov should had filed that complain after game 4, pertaining to something that happened in game 4 (not 3), instead of going to watch his precious Levski get trounced by Drogba's hat-trick. Did his mamma ever teach him to do his homework before watching TV?
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-09-30 08:11:32)
hmm...
I'm playing only Class G right now and I have two games left, but I never got to a tight spot in it when I had WC and Class G at the same time. In 12 games I have always been with less time than my opponents, so I guess that says something.
OTOH, 30 + 1day was really hard to manage, although none of my opponents ever got into time trouble (i.e. less than 10 days).
Peter Schuster (2006-09-30 08:17:39)
No change
Please don't change the time control.
Nigel Davies (2006-09-30 09:07:48)
Legitimacy
This is (or should have been) the real point of these championships from FIDE's point of view. Rather than being seen as a banana republic with a paper champion their aim should have been to establish legitimacy for their cycle and organisation. FIDE established itself by taking over the World Chess Championships with the death of Alekhine. If it can no longer do that, a large part of its raison d'etre disappears, in my view.
I'm not sure they realise it yet, but if Topalov 'wins' from his 1-3 position with some trumped up accusation of cheating, their legitimacy is not enhanced. Quite the opposite in fact.
Kramnik goes home with a very strong claim to being the REAL World Champion (he beat Kasparov in a match) and having allowed FIDE to demonstrate its true colours. I think that the odds of him establishing his own cycle will have improved dramatically, he just needs a sponsor.
Nigel
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-09-30 09:41:27)
Re: Legitimacy
Hey, you don't have the chance of asking a GM a question every day! :)
Nigel, since my limited database and research resources here didn't allow me to know if you played a game against Kramnik, much less if you ever had a nice chat with him, I'd like to know if you did and if you really believe that he'd be the kind of guy that would go out and organize a WC Cicle on his own, like Kasparov did (well, tried)?
I take this match as a display he is willing to expose himself in order to get things straight once and for all, but going to the business side of the game is for those that really want to risk a lot to get things done.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006-09-30 13:47:43)
No change
Hello Thibault.
I agree with Peter: no change of the timekeeping, please.
Nigel Davies (2006-09-30 13:50:51)
Re: Legitimacy
Hi Rodrigo,
I haven't played Kramnik but I met him once; my impression is that he's a proud and rather honourable person. I don't see him organising his own cycle, but there are plenty of people opposed to FIDE who could. This might be just the opportunity they need.
Kramnik couldn't really have refused a 'reunification' match before this, it would have looked like he didn't want to play. But now he's got a strong case that FIDE cannot provide a suitable aegis.
Nigel
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-09-30 15:37:02)
No change
Please don't change time control!
Benjamin Aldag (2006-09-30 15:57:58)
e4-Line !
The e4-Line is the only line, which gives white the possibility of an clear advantage. All other lines are really bad for white. The point of this opening is, to have with the black color good knights versus a bad bishop-pair of white. Roman Dzindzihasvili is the founder of this Defense and i think, "Beefeater" is not the right name. I call it "Dzindzi-Indian-Defense". There are many interesting lines and some of them, transpose the game to other openings (Pirc, Sicilian-Dragon, Kings-Indian etc.). The move 5...f5 was played to prevent black of 6.e4, but 6.e4! is the best move, white can play. I've played last year in Litomysl in a Simultan versus GM Sergey Movsesian this "Dzindzi-Indian-Defense". Sergey played 6.h4?! and after 15 moves, we draw the game. The Dzindzi-Indian-Defense is an easy to learn opening and i've got good results with it in many tourneys. Last time i've saw this Defense at the Chess-Olympic, played by players around 2400-2500. 6.e4! is the best move, but many many players don't know it and the possibility for black, to get a good result in a game is very high. I can say, i know all variations about this opening and this thematic tournament will be my first tourney here, where i will not use computer-assistence. Its funny to see, that an Engine (Rybka,Fritz etc.) dont understand the ideas behind this defense and without an opening-book, engines dont see that 6.e4! is the only way, to get an advantage.
I luv Dzindzi-Indian-Defense
Benny
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-10-01 11:19:06)
Not quite
They'll open the WCs, not the WC yet. They won't be switching WCs at each game either, one for each player and no switch (they will still be searched at least once before every game though, as they are now).
Also, the Appeals Committee resigned on their own. Kirsan must have chewed them yesterday. Since he's trying to make a good impression to the rest of the world to try to bring investments to Kalmykia (i.e. himself), I believe he's one of the few people that really got something to loose if they don't set this straight. $1.5mil for Topa vs. Radja is nothing if he can somehow put his country on the map as a Chess and Buddhist touristic hub (and his name in history as the "WC savior").
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-02 15:06:33)
Chess / FIDE
Why did Kramnik accept to continue this match... Becoming a chess (FIDE) hero ? Prize ?
Finally I would prefer the prize reason... :)
It seems he just resigned the psychological battle against Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, unless he's sure he can contest the final score once the match is over, but it would be harder for sure.
It will be just harder for him to play now... Anyway, the result in this match is not so important, the real issue is future of world chess championships, but in the 'other match' that just began, FIDE scored one more point.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-02 15:11:16)
Kramnik plays under protest
Official statement and protest by V. Kramnik
To FIDE President H.E. Kirsan Iljumshinov
To the WCC Appeals Committee
On 2 October 2006 my manager received the following decision from FIDE:
“Tomorrow, 2 October 2006, at 15.00, the 6th Game of the World Chess Championship Match a Topalov-Kramnik with the score 3:2 in favour of Kramnik, will take place.”
Based on this decision I make the following statement:
I inform that I am ready to proceed playing the match by reserving all my rights. My further participation will be subject to the condition to clarify my rights regarding game five at later stage.
I do not agree with the decision made by FIDE and I formally protest against it. The decisions made on my requests, especially the resignation of the Appeals Committee, opening the toilets to the restrooms again, are chrystal clear admissions of FIDE of having taken a false decision. Logically FIDE admits herewith that it was a mistake to start game five by violating the rules and regulations of the competition and by changing the agreed playing rules and conditions during the match without my approval.
I deeply regret the unsportsmanlike and unequaled behaviour of my opponent whom FIDE donated a victory outside of the board by using dirty tricks.
High level functionaries inside FIDE once again were making the professional part of the chess world a disgraceful playground of their own interests. I strongly believe and hope that the course of these events made it obvious to everyone that drastic changes with regard to the professional management structures inside FIDE are evident.
By deciding just a couple of hours ago I had to assess between my personal interests and the interests of the entire chess world. It is very difficult to play under these circumstances. But I came to the conclusion to proceed under protest because I do not want to disappoint the overwhelming majority of the chess fans which are hoping for the unification since so many years.
I also had in mind the people of Kalmykia which are doing their utmost to organize this match on the highest level possible.
Last but not least I would like to thank very much for all the support I experienced during these days.
Elista, 2 October 2006
Vladimir Kramnik
Classical World Chess Champion
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-10-02 15:17:48)
Argh!
"Question to Topalov: Veselin, with what feeling will you come to play tomorrow?
With great enthusiasm. I am tired of rest!"
On the other front: "unfortunately, Vladimir could not appear here – he is not feeling well"
Disgusting! It's a good thing they opened the toilets, because I need one to puke right now! So they give in on everything, except on the 3:2 score, just to get Kramnik less advantage and to wear him out. Argh!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-02 16:03:25)
FIDE vs. Kramnik
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (game 5)
0-1
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-02 16:06:15)
After toilet gate...
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (game 6)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.Ne5 e6 7.f3 c5 8.e4 Bg6 9.Be3 cxd4 10.Qxd4 Qxd4 11.Bxd4 Nfd7 12.Nxd7 Nxd7 13.Bxc4 a6 14.Ke2 Rg8 15.Rhd1 Rc8 16.b3 Bc5 17.a5 Ke7 18.Na4 Bb4 19.Nb6 Nxb6 20.Bxb6 f6 21.Rd3 Rc6 22.h4 Rgc8 23.g4 Bc5 24.Rad1 Bxb6 25.Rd7+ Kf8 26.axb6 Rxb6 27.R1d6 Rxd6 28.Rxd6 Rc6 29.Rxc6 bxc6 30.b4 e5 31.Bxa6 1/2-1/2
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-02 16:33:57)
Re:
Thibault, I'm sure Kramnik is continuing the match NOT mainly for the prize money, because if information I've gathered is correct, the prize money is financed from Kramnik's side. By managing to draw the 6th game, Kramnik has shown that he certainly ain't pyschologically down because of his opponent's antics. If Kramnik goes on to win the championship, the majority of the world is bound to accept him as the one true champion.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-02 17:46:46)
Re:
"the one true champion" .. until next FIDE wch cycles, where Kramnik will most probably loose his title, simply because he'll have to play a 4 rounds / 16 players knockout tournament (if I understood well, not sure.. :/) that he could even refuse to play ! :)
Let's say he will be the last one true champion. Maybe that's a reason enough to continue the match after all :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-10-02 18:31:15)
I :D
I use Rybka. 1.2. It is my only engine. :D I don't know about other ones. I have too poor eksperience with correspodence chess. But sometimes the engine tells weak moves - especially in very sharp and difficult variations. For example, Traxler or Latvian gambit poisoned pawn. I must think, too. :D
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-10-02 18:44:08)
Well...
I'm just a patzer, but since there are all levels of players here...
My computer is low-end for today's standards, and I use only freeware engines for cost restrains. I used about 4 different engines for analysis during my WC and Class G games, but it proved to do less difference than I expected. I was the weak link at all times in the chain, and only in the games I was able to understand why my engine showed certain moves should be made I was able to win.
But I guess you can't always blame on the patzer. I had quite a few instances that it became obvious why I couldn't understand the moves: the engine was wrong. Best way to test this is to let it run a position where it gives a slight advantage to you for 15 minutes. After that, make the moves and check if you have the same score or better. Of course it might be just my below-average computer, but the shareware version of Fruit got me into some really bad spots. The best solution I had up until now was Toga II, as it proved to be pretty solid on that aspect.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-03 01:01:03)
Re:
Thibault, you have made a good observation there. But there's some news that Kirsan might hand over FIDE professional match organization part to Besel Kok, who ran against him at FIDE elections. Kok might decide to have a candidates style of qualifying, instead of knockout.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-03 02:00:52)
Traxler counterattack
Hi Ilmars.
IMO article 2988 is useless... In this line, when you're at article 2140, Nd7 is a draw.
About article 2689, maybe try 7. ...Qe7 when you're at article 2667 ;)
Traxler counterattack will never die... :-)
Best regards & good luck !
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-10-03 09:32:31)
Why?
In article 2988 black wins. If Nd7 draws, and Kf8 wins - who is more useless? IMO
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-10-03 12:03:59)
Traxler is dead.... :D
I tried 7.. Qe7. White wins. See it in WC.
Waiting for improvements for black. :D
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-03 14:40:57)
About 50% IMO
Just a personal estimation, according the number of moves played & time.
I would say about 50% ...
Roger Weber (2006-10-03 15:06:37)
50% ?!
Are you serious?
I mean, it is just bad to use chess engines.
1) You don't improve your own skill level
2) If I want to play against a chessengine I can just install one instead of trying to play people over the internet
Roger Weber (2006-10-03 15:11:47)
Go
The one thing that makes humans good at Go is our ability to recognize patterns.
Go is all about seeing patterns and making strategical moves.
Chess engines are so good at Chess because there aren't that many possibilites to be played, so a computer can calculate the best one by looking at databases.
However Go has a much larger board and much more possibilites of moves for a game, making it impossible for a computer to calculate the best move.
Also computers do not have an AI yet to enable them the recognition of patterns, or not to a degree that humans do.
So a Go-engine could theoretically beat you on a 9x9 sized board, but it is very improbable that it will do so on a 19x19 board.
At least for the moment ...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-03 15:19:04)
Humans vs. centaurs
This kind of discussion happened already here :
http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_857-Why-do-you-play-corrchess.html
People obviously play chess here for many different reasons, and there are very different ways to improve... I think that using a chess engine or not is not so important, centaurs will play with centaurs & humans against humans. The fact is chess engines are allowed here, and we can suppose that most players under elo 1700 don't use engines and most players over elo 1700 use engines.
James Stripes (2006-10-03 16:13:13)
curious
I have approximately 64 chess engines, including the beta version of Rybka 1 (the free version). In engine tournaments on my box, it has prevailed against my strongest commercial engines.
However, the centaur play that is the norm here presents Rybka with an entirely different sort of playing environment than those in which it has demonstrated its superiority. As I am new to this type of play, I don't yet know how Rybka measures up to the likes of Junior, Shredder, and Hiarcs.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-03 17:10:08)
Delay / Slow down the games ?
An interesting idea had been submitted here a few months ago to "decrease the pressure" for all players and to slow down the games... (correspondence chess & Go are quite addictive :))
It would consist in delaying the transmission of moves or at least avoiding one can respond to a move immediately after being played.
The server works very well, but I feel there could be irregular peaks of charge in future... More and more tournaments start, faster and faster and that's probably only the beginning.
So what do you think about the "delay" idea ? .. 1 hour would be probably enough to spread out charge over time, but players may expect more or no delay at all !?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-03 19:18:18)
Open letter
Another letter of support to Vladimir Kramnik, written by famous chess grandmasters... (source www.chessbase.com)
Monday 2nd of October 2006
Dear Vladimir,
Through absolutely no fault of your own, you have suffered the consequences of an unprecedented combination of unethical behaviour from your opponent and glaring incompetence, for lack of a stronger word, on the part of the Appeals Committee.
In spite of evidently unfair treatment, which has not only resulted in your being forfeited one game, but also being subjected to petty attacks and ridiculous accusations from the opposing camp, you have agreed to continue the match for the sake of reunifying the chess world. This is a very impressive decision. It testifies to your remarkable sense of honour and is worthy of your true status of World Champion.
Regardless of the final result of this match you have earned the deepest respect of your fellow Grandmasters and colleagues as well as countless chess fans around the world. Thank you for being a model sportsman in a time and place where so many circumstances turned against you. You deserve to win.
With unfailing support,
GM Joel Lautier
IM Almira Skripchenko
GM Viktor Korchnoi
GM Laurent Fressinet
GM Nigel Short
GM Alexandra Kosteniuk
GM Pavel Tregubov
GM Pentala Harikrishna
GM Yannick Pelletier
WGM Sophie Milliet
GM Lev Alburt
WIM Anna Hahn
GM Rustam Dautov
GM Yasser Seirawan
GM Emanuel Berg
GM Helmut Pfleger
WIM Olena Boytsun
GM Vladimir Barksij
GM Bartlomiej Macieja
IM Maxim Notkin
GM Alexander Baburin
GM Tony Kosten
GM Alexander Khalifman
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-10-03 22:33:46)
OK
I will think about /1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Ke3 Qe7 8.Nxh8 Qg5+ 9.Kxe4 Qf4+ 10.Kd3 d5 11.Bxd5 Bf5+ 12.Ke2 Nd4+ 13.Ke1 Nxc2+ 14.Qxc2 Bxc2 15.Bxb7 Rb8 16.Bc6+ Ke7 17.Nc3 Qh4+ 18.g3 Qd4/. And what do you think about /15.Nc3 000 16.Be6+ Kb8 17.Nf7 Rd3 18.g3 Rg3 19.Ne2 Qe4 20.Bd5 Qxd5 21.Nxg3 Qxf7 22.Rf1/. IMO here white advantage is more clear. Cirulis
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-10-03 22:53:33)
... dead!
IMO advantage is 100% enough for win in both variation, at least for me (+engine :D). (It is sad that I don't have money (enough) - I could offer you a bet.) :D
P.S. Question not about Traxler - how do you make empty lines in messages?
Marcin Kasperski (2006-10-04 12:27:12)
Exaggerating?
I googled this thread accidentally, and ... I would like to say that some opinions here seem to be going too far.
I am just an amateur player (no FIDE rating, but according to my results on FICS and Playchess I would estimate myself about elo 1900). I play on a few servers including gameknot (my nick there is Mekk). I have never used chess engine there (or anywhere), and I am at the moment rated 1654 on gameknot, I also happened to win and draw some games against 17xx rated players. Surely they were not using engines, if they were, I would lost those games - my results on IECG (where I lost everything I tried to play) show this clearly.
Of course my claim, that I am not using an engine, is just my claim - but you can take a look at my games, if you like...
Roger Weber (2006-10-04 13:21:29)
Computers
@Marius
If I may ask the question, why would you even want to play a match with chess engines?
I don't see the point, except if you're a chess engine addict and can't play without.
I am totally against the usage of chess engines on internet servers, as its just not sportsmanlike and a match where both players agree using engines is IMHO not worth playing it.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-04 16:21:00)
Danailov accuses Kramnik of using Fritz9
The manager of Topalov (Silvio Danailov) now accuses Kramnik of cheating, using Fritz 9.
Here are his statistics :
Game 1 :
From 75 moves: After move 12, from 65 remaining moves 41 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (63% of matches)
Game 2 :
From 63 moves: After move 17, from 46 remaining moves 40 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (87% of matches)
Game 3 :
From 38 moves: After move 10, from 46 remaining moves 40 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (87% of matches)
Game 4 :
From 54 moves: After move 14, from 40 remaining moves 30 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (75% of matches)
Game 6 :
From 31 moves: After move 13, from 18 remaining moves 14 moves match with the first line of Fritz 9. (78% of matches)
Out of 5 games, 78% of Vladimir Kramnik’s moves would match with the first line of Fritz 9.
Seems to be a lot but is it enough ? (no IMO, and it simply doesn't mean anything at all...)
Furthermore, it seems to be very hard to prove, as the "first line" of Fritz 9 depends on many parameters... It's probably easy to obtain this result on demand, or to say at a 2800 level, if it doesn't match with Fritz moves, that it matches with Shredder, Junior or Hydra or... :(
The only conclusion is Kramnik's style is closer to Fritz than other engines..
(what a scoop...)
Topalov's team has probably no other choice now than to attack & attack until death... This is clearly psychological attack, this match could end really dirty :/
I think these statistics are really too conclusive so that it's realistic ! .. Kramnik is not stupid : There's no need to play Fritz first line to win against Topalov (and finally be accused of using Fritz 9), and it's certainly not the best way to win either...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-04 16:31:45)
Re: Computers
My two cents, as I probably share Marius point of view : The same reasons you like to play a match or any game without engines... Challenge, chess beauty, and so on..
It is sportsmanlike ! .. simply because the rules allow it ! .. and it's worth playing such a match, simply because we like it :)
Miguel Pires (2006-10-06 11:53:01)
I use engines
For check my analisys, and to see if i misse something. But i don't trust 100% in the engines, in some positions like this one:
2r2rk1/1bq1bpp1/p2ppn1p/1p4BP/3NP1P1/3B1P2/PPPQ4/2KR3R w - - 0 17
i don't trust in the engines.
Playing with the help of the engines help me to improve my OTB games.
Regard's
Miguel Pires
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-06 11:57:32)
Game 7 : Draw
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (game 7)
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bd3 dxc4 6. Bxc4 c5 7. O-O a6 8.
Bb3 cxd4 9. exd4 Nc6 10. Nc3 Be7 11. Re1 O-O 12. a4 Bd7 13. Ne5 Be8 14. Be3
Rc8 15. Rc1 Nb4 16. Qf3 Bc6 17. Qh3 Bd5 18. Nxd5 Nbxd5 19. Rcd1 Rc7 20. Bg5
Qc8 21. Qf3 Rd8 22. h4 h6 23. Bc1 Bb4 24. Rf1 Bd6 25. g3 b6 26. Qe2 Ne7 27.
Rfe1 Bxe5 28. dxe5 Rxd1 29. Qxd1 Nfd5 30. Bd2 Rc5 31. Qg4 Nf5 32. Qe4 b5
33. h5 bxa4 34. Qxa4 Rb5 35. Rc1 Qb7 36. Bc2 Nb6 37. Qg4 Rxb2 38. Be4 Qd7
39. Be1 Nd5 40. Bd3 Nb4 41. Bf1 Nd3 42. Qd1 Nxe5 43. Qxd7 Nxd7 44. Rc8+ Kh7
45. Rc7 Rb1 46. Rxd7 Rxe1 47. Rxf7 a5 48. Kg2 Kg8 49. Ra7 Re5 50. g4 Nd6
51. Bd3 Kf8 52. Bg6 Rd5 53. f3 e5 54. Kf2 Rd2+ 55. Ke1 Rd5 56. Ke2 Rb5 57.
Rd7 Rd5 58. Ra7 Rb5 59. Bd3 Rd5 60. Bg6 1/2-1/2
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-06 11:59:22)
Topalov wins game 8
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (game 8)
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8.
Be2 Bb7 9. O-O b4 10. Na4 c5 11. dxc5 Nxc5 12. Bb5+ Ncd7 13. Ne5 Qc7 14.
Qd4 Rd8 15. Bd2 Qa5 16. Bc6 Be7 17. Rfc1 Bxc6 18. Nxc6 Qxa4 19. Nxd8 Bxd8
20. Qxb4 Qxb4 21. Bxb4 Nd5 22. Bd6 f5 23. Rc8 N5b6 24. Rc6 Be7 25. Rd1 Kf7
26. Rc7 Ra8 27. Rb7 Ke8 28. Bxe7 Kxe7 29. Rc1 a5 30. Rc6 Nd5 31. h4 h6 32.
a4 g5 33. hxg5 hxg5 34. Kf1 g4 35. Ke2 N5f6 36. b3 Ne8 37. f3 g3 38. Rc1
Nef6 39. f4 Kd6 40. Kf3 Nd5 41. Kxg3 Nc5 42. Rg7 Rb8 43. Ra7 Rg8+ 44. Kf3
Ne4 45. Ra6+ Ke7 46. Rxa5 Rg3+ 47. Ke2 Rxe3+ 48. Kf1 Rxb3 49. Ra7+ Kf6 50.
Ra8 Nxf4 51. Ra1 Rb2 52. a5 Rf2+ 0-1
Glen D. Shields (2006-10-04 17:52:20)
Yes Thibault - Thanks for Asking
Thibault -
I see a need to offer player defined delays. My desire would be that when a move is sent, I have the option to post the move immediately or 1, 2 or 3 days later (using my reflection time during the delay). This option allows players to stagger their games and better manage the pace particularly at the beginning of a tournament.
Servers like FICGS have become the meeting place for postal players, e-mail players, correspondence server players and real time server players. It's a diverse and interesting group. Server chess is nothing like postal chess, but it shouldn't be a substitute for OTB chess either.
Starting a server tournament is like a ping pong match. You send a move and ten minutes later you have a reply. One can't ever keep their inbox empty.
Once the opening is over, the match then moves into "Groundhog Day" mode. You wake up to an inbox full of moves, you work all day on them and then wake up the following day to an inbox of moves from the same players. It's tiring.
I'd like the option to send a move, forget about it and then chose whether it should be visible to my opponent immediately, 24 hours, 48 hours or 72 hours later. The delay allows me to manage my game load better and gives me some flexibility how fast I want to play.
Server chess has grown rapidly the last five years. Its benefits are fantastic. Curiously, however, this year is the first year since e-mail chess was officially introduced that ICCF is reportedly (unoffical source) seeing an increase in postal chess. One of the biggest reasons talked about for this change is players are worn out from the fast server pace. I can relate to that. I'd hate to give up server chess because it makes so much sense. I know no one twists my arm to move fast, but why not give me server tools to help me manage my game load? I let the server count my time, keep my game score, chase my opponent when he forgets to move and report my results. Why can't it also help me manage my game load and slow down the pace when it needs to be slowed?
You asked ... so here are my two cents :)
Marc Lacrosse (2006-10-04 18:44:46)
no slow down by force please !
Nobody urges you to answer immediately.
Why should the one who likes playing fast sometimes be forced to wait for sending his own moves?
I cannot really understand this.
His opponent has always the choice to wait before answering if _he_ prefers to do so.
As i already said in another thread I prefer a small number of games going fast than a large number of ones going slowly.
I analyse most of my very few games everyday. So when one of my opponents reply I am often already ready to answer immediately. Why should I have to wait?
I even wish that a rule for maximum accumulated thinking time be implemented.
Those who prefer slow chess just have to refrain from taking too much games simultaneously and from enrolling in "rapid" tournaments.
Marc
Marc Lacrosse (2006-10-04 18:55:32)
Rybka and others
I use rybka 1.1 and quite a few other ones :-)
I am pretty sure that rybka is stronger than all other engines but this does not in any way say that rybka's play is perfect.
A problem with the practical use of rybka is the fact that it has something like a different scaling of his assessments than most others.
+0.10 is a large advantage for rybka! and often he gives almost the same score to several candidate moves whereas other engines more clearly differentiate the value of different potential continuations.
Rybka often misses evidently promising tactical continuations if you do not give him a much longer thinking time than requested by some competitors
So I think Rybka is a powerful tool but not the only one to have for computer help
Marc
Miguel Pires (2006-10-04 21:32:51)
Roger
Hello,
about engines, please try this position with the engines you have:
2r2rk1/1bq1bpp1/p2ppn1p/1p4BP/3NP1P1/3B1P2/PPPQ4/2KR3R w - - 0 17
If you let them think for some time, of of the engines possible find the move for withe Bxh6!
For me was easy to find. I have done this sacrifice many times.
I FICGS or ICCF i use engines to check my variations and to see if i misse something. If the engine gives me a better move i try to understand whay and try to adjust the plan to that move.
Soo using a engine, (for me) is not to make better moves, but to try to improve my game. In situations like that position my natural reaction is to sacrifice.
Its only my 2 cents
Regard's
Miguel Pires
PS: Sorry for the bad english
Glen D. Shields (2006-10-04 21:33:32)
Let me see if I got this right ...
Guys - let's see if I have this right. If i make a move and wait three days to enter it on the server, you're okay with that? Yet if I make a move on the server and chose the option to have the server send it three days later (using my reflection time), you have a problem with that? I don't get it. Games aren't slowed down. All that's being suggested is that we be given server tools to regulate the game pace to a more comfortable level using the server. We use the server to manage all other aspects of our game, why not this too? I don't understand your objections.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-07 16:45:18)
Kramnik loses 9th game too.......
Kramnik loses another game in quick succession with the Black pieces this time. His 10th move of ....., dxc4?! was anti-positional, allowing White to expand in the centre with the Bishop pair backing it. Aftre some more mistakes, White broke through the f file by aiming at the weak f7 square.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-07 20:20:04)
Topalov takes the lead
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (game 9)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nh4 Bg6 7.Nxg6 hxg6 8.a3 Nbd7 9.g3 Be7 10.f4 dxc4 11.Bxc4 0-0 12.e4 b5 13.Be2 b4 14.axb4 Bxb4 15.Bf3 Qb6 16.0-0 e5 17.Be3 Rad8 18.Na4 Qb8 19.Qc2 exf4 20.Bxf4 Qb7 21.Rad1 Rfe8 22.Bg5 Be7 23.Kh1 Nh7 24.Be3 Bg5 25.Bg1 Nhf8 26.h4 Be7 27.e5 Nb8 28.Nc3 Bb4 29.Qg2 Qc8 30.Rc1 Bxc3 31.bxc3 Ne6 32.Bg4 Qc7 33.Rcd1 Nd7 34.Qa2 Nb6 35.Rf3 Nf8 36.Rdf1 Re7 37.Be3 Nh7 38.Rxf7 Nd5 39.R7f3 1-0
Elmer Valderrama (2006-10-04 22:36:44)
Toga
Since everyone is being honest in this thread here is my
confession..
Usually I use latest Toga, I bought Rybka 1.2 series, but I've
found it is not better than Toga, especially if run in
a slow computer (I still use a AMD +1600, with Windows 98:
I know I should buy a better computer but this one is already a recent
"upgrade" from a Pentium 700Mhz running Fritz 8 ;) and I dont
want to fall in the endless (and costly) chain of keeping -up-to-date
just to get a few more ELO points ;)
Sometimes I test the positions with other engines (Fritz 8,
Schredder 8, free Fruit) just to prove how right was Toga in the initial
evaluation. In those rare but happy occasions when I make my own input
is simply to give an idea of where should the engine "think".
When things go well, after some point, it is just a matter of
setting the engines on my opponents, they would finish the job.
Wayne Lowrance (2006-10-05 04:22:20)
Delay/slow down games
I dont make a move and wait 3 days or whatever to enter it in the server.
Games will be slowed down if a player has an extra delay time allowed with his pondering decisions.
Heck, I look at the tournaments and see no player in time jepardy. A day added to each move provides more than ample time for coorespondence play.
This a bad suggestion in my opinion. I am very very much not in favour.
Wayne
Glen D. Shields (2006-10-05 05:25:52)
Wayne no one ...
Wayne - no one is time trouble because no one is using their time. That's the point! "Correspondence chess" on a server has basically become an OTB match between chess engines. Players in all organizations are complaining about server burnout. Players who swore off postal are re-considering their decision.
What Thibault is trying to find out is how prevalent is the burnout. What I'm proposing any player can do manually, but why should it be done manually when the server can do it for us? Isn't automation the whole purpose of the server?
Help from the server to manage the pace (and one's game load) is a perfectly logical extension of server play. If you want to play fast, play fast. If you want to play slow, slow the pace, use the server to do it for you. Why is that bothersome? No one is suggesting a change from the 40/10 limit. There's no proposal to deviate from the 100 maximum accumulated days (great rule - every server should follow this rule!). What am I missing? I really don't get it :)
Don Groves (2006-10-05 08:05:37)
Why not manage the pace yourself?
If you only have time to make two moves per day then do that. You will then only receive two new moves per day maximum. If you don't want the emails in your inbox, create a box for unanswered moves, keep them there, and answer them at your own pace.
Just my 2 pence.
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-10-05 11:42:35)
Re:
Basically, I'm playing to force myself to learn. In July, when I began my first game in FICGS, I knew nothing and had nobody to teach me. Since the probabilities of me ever having a tutor are dim, I knew I had to learn alone.
FICS won't cut it, because the guys at my level generally memorize a line and go for it until the bitter end. Having no opening knowledge I would generally end up in a bad spot until the midgame, where I can handle myself better. I rarely got past move 15 there.
OTB won't do for me, because I don't even know if there's a chess club in my city. I had a neighbor that used to play with me, but I quickly got past him on knowledge.
Studying database games is just not my style. I can't get drawn into the game if I'm not playing. If I choose the bad move I have to feel threatened by it, it has to have a consequence to me.
Thus, I'm here at FICGS. Before every move I'm able to analyze it and how the line goes forward, to understand why it is a good move. Plus, I'm able to test the moves that come to my head and check them (generally to find out they are outright suicidal).
In the end, I think my opponent wins something back, which is an entertaining and hopefully instructive game.
P.S.: BTW, just so you know, I play clean on FICS and OTB. I think those are, after some time at FICGS, becoming instructive environments on their own right.
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-10-05 13:21:39)
Thibault
I have a substitution. My player bunta has had to withdraw, and I am replacing him with ccmcacollister in the match vs. Benjamin Aldag. Is this ok with you?
Thomas
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-10-08 02:40:55)
Thibault
12 of my 13 are ready. If my player ritt doesn't register with you within 48 hours, I propose to simply drop him from the match, as I don't have a fair match for Charlie Neil (I do have many higher rated players if he really wants to play). Let me know, and please explain to me the format here on FICGS as you guys only play tournament style - are you going to set up a tourney especially for our match? Get with me tonight or tomorrow, as we hope to start the match Monday:) Thanks - Thomas
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-08 17:36:39)
Kramnik wins Game 10
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (game 10)
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7 6.Bg2 0-0 7.0-0 c6 8.Bf4 Nbd7 9.Qc2 a5 10.Rd1 Nh5 11.Bc1 b5 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.e4 dxe4 14.Qxe4 Rb8 15.Qe2 Nhf6 16.Bf4 Rb6 17.Ne5 Nd5 18.Bxd5 exd5 19.Nc3 Nf6 20.Nxb5 Ba6 21.a4 Ne4 22.Rdc1 Qe8 23.Rc7 Bd8 24.Ra7 f6 25.Nd7 Rf7 26.Nxb6 Rxa7 27.Nxd5 Rd7 28.Ndc3 Rxd4 29.Re1 f5 30.Qc2 Rb4 31.Nd5 Rxb5 32.axb5 Qxb5 33.Nc7 Qc4 34.Qd1 Bxc7 35.Qd7 h6 36.Qxc7 Qb4 37.Qb8+ Qxb8 38.Bxb8 Nd2 39.Ra1 g5 40.f4 Nb3 41.Ra3 Bc4 42.Bc7 g4 43.Bxa5 1-0
Ryan Benitez (2006-10-08 22:50:43)
engine is just a tool
2r2rk1/1bq1bpp1/p2ppn1p/1p4BP/3NP1P1/3B1P2/PPPQ4/2KR3R w - - 0 17
The engine I use plays Bxh6
Anyway of course an engine should be used as a tool not to play the game. I will beat an unattended engine 80% of the time at the time controls played here.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-09 10:56:23)
Server peaks of charge
Hi all and thanks for sharing your views.
I agree with Marc, there's no reason to slow down games by force. I'm just thinking about an emergency system that would delay (a few minutes at most) the moves to appear in 'My messages' and 'My games' with an appropriate message if too many players are sending moves at the same time - in future. Some games run particularly fast (30 moves played in half an hour).
The idea of delaying the sending of moves is interesting but I'm not convinced yet. I fear it wouldn't be used a lot and too many options is not good IMO. (more, the delay wouldn't be 100% accurate) As for me, I just 'accepted' to have 10 or more pending moves continuously, I delete emails (or set email notification off) and come back later to the server... Another way would be to filter moves responded before a defined time in 'My games'. Not so useful...
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-10-10 01:32:29)
Thibault
I can't seem to find FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_GAMEKNOT_MATCH
.....is it up and running yet? I need to research the "how to's" and explain them to my guys. I'll post my guys names on FICGS sometime tonight. - - - Thomas
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-10-10 05:27:08)
Re:
Use Toga II if you're looking for a freeware one. Crafty was simply too unreliable. 15 minutes of brute-force search, returning ~18-ply results with slight advantage; then I'd play them one by one and about the 10th ply, *bang*, a blunder. Very nice if you're trying to emulate Topalov-Kramnik, but not nice if you want to get some good advice.
The trick is to have a general understanding of the opening, and notice when the game has entered the realm of the middlegame (this is still very blurry for me, but I'm getting the hang of it). Then you just have to try to learn as much as you can about basic middlegame concepts. That's as far as my understanding goes up to now, tactics and strategy are not within my grasp yet.
Of course, this is for total noobs like me, if you know more you'd like to test more advanced concepts.
Yannick Maret (2006-10-10 11:37:56)
Hmm
Thanks for the links... I will have a look!
Actually, I'm looking for a program on which I can set the actual position of a game. Ideally, I would then propose a move and the program would tell me if the move is sound or not (without giving its reasons). Then I can figure out by myself why the move is unsound and choose a new one... without being overly influenced by the engine.
Hmm, I guess I want too much... and should implement an interface for doing just that :(
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-10 16:16:37)
To be continued...
Open Letter
To
FIDE President
H.E. Kirsan Illyumzhinov
To
Head of the 2006 Executive Committee
Mr. Valery Bovaev
Dear Mr President, Gentlemen,
Having received innumerable published and unpublished inquiries I would like to clarify, in the name of Vladimir Kramnik and his team, our position in the decision taken by FIDE regarding the fifth game of the current World Championship match.
As you know Vladimir Kramnik is playing the current match under protest. Nothing has changed in our attitude, which is documented by Kramnik’s actions around the fifth game and our statements, protests and letters:
29.09.2006:
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=104
02.10.2006:
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=106
04.10.2006:
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=107
Consistent with this standpoint Vladimir Kramnik will be playing this match, including a possible tiebreak, up to the last move under protest.
Should the decision of FIDE regarding the fifth game have any influence on the awarding of the World Championship title, with Mr Topalov receiving the title after being granted a free point for the unplayed game, Mr Kramnik declares unequivocally: “I will not recognize Mr Topalov as World Champion under these conditions, and I will take legal action against FIDE at the end of the World Championship.”
The damage done to Mr Kramnik in public opinion (e.g. the slander campaign) after the illegal release of private video images by the then FIDE Appeals Committee or the WCC 2006 Executive Committee to the Topalov team, and the subsequent release of these video images and private information of Mr Kramnik in his restroom to the mass media, as well as the interruption of the match, which broke Mr Kramnik’s concentration and playing rhythm, will all be part of the legal action which will be initiated.
As a sign of good will Mr Kramnik once again requests FIDE to arrange for game five to be played out on the board immediately after game 12. This in our opinion is the only way to alleviate the personal, sporting, judicial and ethical injuries that have been incurred by Mr Kramnik.
Elista, October 10, 2006
On behalf of Vladimir Kramnik
Yours sincerely
Carsten Hensel
(Manager to Vladimir Kramnik, Classical World Chess Champion)
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2006-10-10 18:37:31)
g11
Is it my impression or Kramnik wimped out of a rook exchange by 60...Ra5 and missed a good position with a passed pawn?
Most of the people should know my low degree of skill by now, so I'm just asking for help here to understand this. Why was so important for him to keep his Rook on the board over real winning chances?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-10 18:39:24)
Game 11 : Draw
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (game 11)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nh4 Bg6 7.Nxg6 hxg6 8.Rb1 Nbd7 9.c5 a5 10.a3 e5 11.b4 axb4 12.axb4 Qc7 13.f4 exf4 14.exf4 Be7 15.Be2 Nf8 16.0-0 Ne6 17.g3 Qd7 18.Qd3 Ne4 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.Qxe4 Qxd4+ 21.Qxd4 Nxd4 22.Bc4 0-0 23.Kg2 Ra4 24.Rd1 Rd8 25.Be3 Bf6 26.g4 Kf8 27.Bf2 Ne6 28.Rxd8+ Bxd8 29.f5 gxf5 30.gxf5 Nf4+ 31.Kf3 Nh5 32.Rb3 Bc7 33.h4 Nf6 34.Bd3 Nd7 35.Be4 Ne5+ 36.Kg2 Ra2 37.Bb1 Rd2 38.Kf1 Ng4 39.Bg1 Bh2 40.Ke1 Rd5 41.Bf2 Ke7 42.h5 Nxf2 43.Kxf2 Kf6 44.Kf3 Rd4 45.b5 Rc4 46.bxc6 bxc6 47.Rb6 Rxc5 48.Be4 Kg5 49.Rxc6 Ra5 50.Rb6 Ra3+ 51.Kg2 Bc7 52.Rb7 Rc3 53.Kf2 Kxh5 54.Bd5 f6 55.Ke2 Kg4 56.Be4 Kf4 57.Bd3 Rc5 58.Rb4+ Kg3 59.Rc4 Re5+ 60.Re4 Ra5 61.Re3+ Kg2 62.Be4+ Kh2 63.Rb3 Ra2+ 64.Kd3 Bf4 65.Kc4 Re2 66.Kd5 1/2-1/2
It is still possible Kramnik walks out the match if next (and last) game is a draw too... :/
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-10 19:49:12)
Opposite color bishops
These endgames are much easier than same color bishops or rooks endings.. The bishop & king can block the opponent's pawns (1, 2, 3 or more) in most cases, and the bishop can be exchanged against one or two pawns... In most cases the bishop has only to make aleatory moves and it's a draw.
There's a famous position with 8 pawns up... It's a draw too.
With rooks, it all depends... Sometimes it's harder to get a draw with opposite color bishops than same color ones.
See the 'endgames' Wikipedia article...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame#Bishops_on_opposite_colors
Peter Schuster (2006-10-10 20:25:08)
Out of time
[moderator : displaced]
In game 1800 is "Out of time". What happens now?
Graham Wyborn (2006-10-11 00:13:44)
See Below
You just have to wait a few hours, the game will be adjudicated automatically.
Reply given to me in a previous response to a similar question
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-11 05:07:06)
Re:
Thibault, IF it goes to a tie break, what's the time limit per game, and how many games?
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-10-11 07:04:35)
Pairings:
cyrano (still waitimg on name) vs. Glen D.Shields*****cairo (ottesen_soren) vs. Miguel Pires*****ccmcacollister (collister_craig) vs. Benjamin Aldag*****thumper (jacobs_doug) vs. James Stripes*****tugger (edwards_matthew) vs. Trond Michalsen*****yanm (maret_yannick) vs. Peter Willoughby*****taikaviitta (koivuniemi_raimo) vs. Richard Grady*****tag1153 (gilbreath_thomas) vs. Regis Ducreux*****eqj2 (johnson_eddie) vs. Martin Selby*****dewillget8 (bingham_anthony) vs. Ilmars Cirulis*****mozz (price_richard) vs. Julien Baudement*****lofix (mankowski_peter) vs. Phil Cook.***********************************************************That's a 12 vs. 12 match. 24 points possible. First team to 12.5 wins. Are we in agreement? - Thomas
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-12 15:41:13)
FICGS chess championship #1
Pairings for the semi-finals in the first FICGS WCH knockout tournament are known :
GM Farit Balabaev / SM Peter Schuster
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IM Gino Figlio / SM Petr Makovský
FICGS WCH round-robin tournaments (stage 1) are still running, next round should begin in 2007 january.
This time control, 30 days + 1 day / move, is definitely hard ! .. but definitely challenging :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-12 17:02:26)
Tie break
... I wouldn't like to be this world champion :/
Tie break with rapid games is definitely a bad idea IMO.
Former world champion should retain the crown in case of equality... Ok, this is particular case here as they're two world champions, but the result will be difficult to accept for everyone... In this case the match should continue until one takes a 1 or 2 points lead.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-12 18:24:22)
Game 12 : Draw
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (game 12)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nh4 Bg6 7.Nxg6 hxg6 8.g3 Nbd7 9.Bd2 Bb4 10.Qb3 Bxc3 11.Bxc3 Ne4 12.Bg2 Nxc3 13.Qxc3 f5 14.0-0 Qe7 15.cxd5 exd5 16.b4 Nf6 17.Rfc1 Ne4 18.Qb2 0-0 19.b5 Rac8 20.bxc6 bxc6 21.Qe2 g5 22.Rab1 Qd7 23.Rc2 Rf6 24.Rbc1 g4 25.Rb2 Rh6 26.Qa6 Rc7 27.Rb8+ Kh7 28.Qa3 Rb7 29.Qf8 Rxb8 30.Qxb8 Qf7 31.Qc8 Qh5 32.Kf1 Nd2+ 33.Ke1 Nc4 34.Bf1 Rf6 35.Bxc4 dxc4 36.Rxc4 Qxh2 37.Ke2 Qh1 38.Rc5 Qb1 39.Qa6 Qb2+ 40.Kf1 Qb1+ 41.Ke2 Qb2+ 42.Kf1 Rh6 43.Qd3 g6 44.Qb3 Rh1+ 45.Kg2 Rh2+ 46.Kxh2 Qxf2+ 47.Kh1 Qf1+ 1/2-1/2
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-12 18:56:37)
80 -> 50 -> 20
Actually, my estimation was probably right a few months ago, but not anymore... When the server started, the elo average was really strong, most players coming from well-known correspondence chess places (TCCMB, IECG...), but more and more beginners sign up, so the proportion of centaurs (human + engine) already is or will be nearer 20%, slowly but continuously decreasing (Google effect)...
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-10-12 21:07:39)
cairo is ottesen_soren
.....but I've got him at board 2 vs. Miguel Pires.. I guess it doesn't matter what board we call it here on FICGS, as long as the players are correct. - Thomas
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-12 21:33:52)
Cyrano
Oops, I meant 'cyrano'...
Anyway I'd like to create Glen & Miguel's games first so that it's easier to follow on the tournament page - games ordered by ratings... We're late (sorry to all players), but it's probably better that most games start at the same time !?
Miguel Pires (2006-10-12 21:45:05)
TIME CONTROL
Please setup the same time control for GK and FICGS games.
I'm playing wit cairo in GK with this time control
10+1<10
Regard's
Miguel Pires
PS: I put a similar post in GK
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-13 14:18:01)
Game of time ?!?!
Someone of us are just thinking to play with thinking time rules as a part of correspondance chess game is a fine and sportsman like behavior.
I don't think so: It is just childish and primitive - nothing to do with the culture and art of a chess game!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-13 14:22:32)
Re: Game of time ?!?!
Hello Wolfgang.
Should this post be included in another thread ?!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-13 14:59:59)
Rapid games : Kramnik leads...
Veselin Topalov - Vladimir Kramnik (rapid 1)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.0-0 Nbd7 9.Qe2 0-0 10.e4 Bg6 11.Bd3 Bh5 12.e5 Nd5 13.Nxd5 cxd5 14.Qe3 Re8 15.Ne1 Rc8 16.f4 Bxe1 17.Rxe1 Bg6 18.Bf1 Rc2 19.b3 Qa5 20.Bb5 Rd8 21.Re2 Rcc8 22.Bd2 Qb6 23.Rf2 a6 24.Bf1 Rc6 25.b4 Rc2 26.b5 a5 27.Bc3 Rxf2 28.Qxf2 Qa7 29.Qd2 Ra8 30.Rc1 Nb6 31.Bb2 Nxa4 32.Ba3 h6 33.h3 Be4 34.Kh2 Nb6 35.Bc5 a4 36.Ra1 Nc4 37.Bxc4 b6 38.Qe3 Rc8 39.Bf1 bxc5 40.dxc5 Qxc5 41.Qxc5 Rxc5 42.b6 Rc6 43.b7 Rb6 44.Ba6 d4 45.Rxa4 Bxb7 46.Bxb7 Rxb7 47.Rxd4 1/2-1/2
Vladimir Kramnik - Veselin Topalov (rapid 2)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.b3 0-0 8.Be2 b6 9.0-0 Bb7 10.Bb2 Re8 11.Rad1 Qe7 12.Rfe1 Rac8 13.Bd3 e5 14.e4 dxc4 15.Bxc4 b5 16.Bf1 g6 17.Qd2 Rcd8 18.Qg5 a6 19.h3 exd4 20.Nxd4 Qe5 21.Qxe5 Nxe5 22.Nc2 g5 23.Bc1 h6 24.Be3 c5 25.f3 Bf8 26.Bf2 Bc8 27.Ne3 Be6 28.Ned5 Bxd5 29.exd5 Ned7 30.Rxe8 Rxe8 31.a4 b4 32.Ne4 Nxe4 33.fxe4 Nf6 34.d6 Nxe4 35.d7 Rd8 36.Bxa6 f5 37.a5 Bg7 38.Bc4+ Kf8 39.a6 Nxf2 40.Kxf2 Bd4+ 41.Rxd4 cxd4 42.a7 Ke7 43.Bd5 Kxd7 44.a8Q Rxa8 45.Bxa8 1-0
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-13 16:32:42)
Re: Game of time ?!?!
Hello Thibault,
please have a look on the behavior of one of the players in our common tournament #002. I find no other way as shaking my head on it!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-13 17:57:26)
Kramnik world champion !
Congratulations to Vladimir Kramnik ! ..
I was to say "this is a great day for chess" but I think I'll wait to see how FIDE will manage it... At least this is a great day for Kramnik :)
The story "ends well" at first sight, but can Topalov sue Fide as I read it already...
To be continued.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-13 18:13:05)
Re: Game of time ?!?!
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_SM__000002.html
I must say this is a quite strange strategy, if it is... Several 2300+ players continuously are in zeitnot (and finally loose some games on time). I don't think it can influence 'much' the play at correspondence chess time controls so that's probably their only way to manage time. Some can't play faster, obviously... Some also play at IECG, ICCF and so on. Anyway nothing can prevent that...
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-13 19:26:48)
Game of time ?!?!
The point is that only one player seems to be in zeitnot, but NO - it is just his tactic (in all games) - strange attitude - he loves it to do his last move before new time count (after move 10, 20 etc) always in the last minute.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-13 19:33:35)
Re: Game of time ?!?!
Strange... that's the word. But I'm quite sure he's a strange guy too :)
Hannes Rada (2006-10-14 00:03:36)
Tactics ?
Hi Wolfgang,
I am playing against this guy in
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_M__000002
But I do not have a problem with this tactic, if it can be called a tactic.
Maybe it should be simply called Zeitnot ....
Why do you bother about that ?
It's wíthin the rules.
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-14 04:30:07)
Game of time ?!?!
Legal doing is not the same as right and good doing!
When a player stops always at move 9, to do the 10th in last minute (mostly after a long time period of inactivity) is this strange. I think, i have enough experiences in correspondance chess to differ this from normal handling with zeitnot.
By the way, at the same time he has also enough time to discuss in this forum copiously.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-14 06:45:39)
Re:
Hi, Utesch, Rada & Thibault, I guess this thread is about me?! Let me clarify...... I am in over 80 games at this time in FICGS, ICCF, LIAPE, and IECG. Quite a few of the games are world championship final matches, world candidate matches & world champioship matches. So I have to naturally concentrate on those critical middle games & end games matches mainly. I'm only human. I have a severe case of catarrh due to break of rest. So in ccertain games I get into time trouble, but as you can see I try to be very creative/original in my games & try to find new variations even in openings.
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-14 07:10:25)
Game of time ?!?!
You cognizned yourself - this could be the best way to change your mind!
You can play so many games as you want - maybe it is not reasonable!
Also it is not your use to full capacity of time in your games, but the way you're doing. If you are ill, you should take a time out - best wishes for your convalescence!
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-14 07:16:49)
Re:
Hi, chess friend Utesch!
I have no leave time left, as FICGS only allows 30 days leave, and I had to use it up in the early part of this year. So, there's not a single day of leave for this year. (If you check with Thibault, you'll see that I haven't entered for any new tournaments since more than two months).
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-14 18:33:37)
Chess and Go diagrams / Forum update
A major update for FICGS forums (& blogs) !
Now you can insert Chess & Go diagrams in messages...
(useful to submit chess problems, analysis and so on...)
See the FAQ in help section - http://www.ficgs.com/help.html - for details, in example here is the position of the last game in the FIDE world chess championship between Veselin Topalov & Vladimir Kramnik, just before Topalov blunder 44. ...Rxc5 ??
ChessPosition (see diagram)
Diagrams format is quite simple (see Help), please note only one diagram / position will be displayed per message.
Also minor bugs (links, search functions) corrected...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-17 12:43:42)
GM Suat Atalik
GM Suat Atalik is about OTB #100 ranked player in the world (GM FIDE), and one of the first players who registered at FICGS. Ratings & titles are also displayed in an informative way, some other strong players will probably register when it will be possible to play unrated simultaneous games for money, but they'll keep a provisional rating. I still have to separate the rating lists, but provisional ratings aren't displayed the same way already.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-17 12:56:02)
Games started / TIME CONTROL
Hello Miguel.
It seems that time controls can't be the same on GameKnot...
Games just started ! .. (there will be a replacement soon in the last 2 games)
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_GAMEKNOT_MATCH.html
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-18 21:31:24)
Re: Kick this player !!!
Thank you...
That was my first impression too, but I was not sure. The 'filter' is not perfect yet ;)
Dirk Ghysens (2006-10-19 01:06:14)
En route
Marsch Marsch! Bis zum Limpopo oder Popocatepetl.
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-19 07:06:14)
Game of time ?!?!
No lessons learned - the same procedure as before!
Our specialist for the last minute stays faithful to himself.
Wayne Lowrance (2006-10-19 18:56:33)
Game of time ?!?!
Try and relax a little Utesch, I know it can be frustrating, it would frustrate me also. But De Silva seems sincere to me. Just my two cents worth my friend....Wayne
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-19 20:19:50)
Mate in 292 moves
Hello Thibault,
I think the pairs of double pawns on e-g-h-lines are impossible to achieve out of the normal chess start position!
Wolfgang
Gino Figlio (2006-10-20 07:56:02)
too many pawn captures for white
4 white pawns are still in their original post. There are however 3 doubled pawns. The minimum number of pawn captures to achieve this would be 7, but black has only lost 4 pieces(2 rooks and 2 bishops); therefore the position is illegal.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-20 14:09:35)
Re: Mate in 292 moves
The minimum number of pawn captures is 8, that's a funny problem :)
Now here is the solution for the mate :
http://www.chess-problem.com/classic4.htm
Elmer Valderrama (2006-10-20 18:28:09)
like toilet going?
..I think this tactics looks like
the CC analog of going to the toilet 50 times per game..
8-)
Scott Prestwood (2006-10-20 19:32:24)
Time Control Clarification
I am looking for clarification on the interpretation of the time controls, specifically; time : 40 days, increment : 40 days / 10 moves. I presume it is 40 days to make the first 40 moves then it is an additional forty days to make to next 10 (to move 50). This seems to be a disproportionate amount of time for moves 41-50. Thank you, Scott
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-20 19:41:21)
Time Control Clarification
Hello Scott.
It is 40 days to make the first 10 moves then it is an additional 40 days to make next 10 moves and so on...
Note : There's an accumulated time limit (100 days) rule.
See rules - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing .. and particularly 11.4
Scott Prestwood (2006-10-21 02:42:17)
Moderation in everything
I find it easy to take on too many correspondence games my self. I prefer to have time to analyze as this is the tradition of coorespondence chess. I often feel busy (zeitnot as you call it) with just 15 games with long time controls.
Some principals I use in moderating my challenge rate are;
1) I dont start new games if I have a game under 15 moves in progress, opening require less analysis, and the mid game is where most of the work is done.
2) whatever the estimated days per moves is I limit myself to 1/4th of that as my limit of games. i.e. if the average days per moves is 12 days I will try to keep around 3 games going if possible.
These limits work well and I'm on several coorespondence sites.
Scott Prestwood (2006-10-20 19:56:46)
Time Controls
Thank you, it sounds good for a 6 game tournament. From my calculations it has an average of 5 days per move(40 move basis). Are their any other forum readers that are interested in a 7 day(weekly) time control?
Scott Prestwood (2006-10-21 03:15:11)
Full Disclosure
Perhaps tournaments should be labled as permiting engines and not permiting engines. Coorespondence chess has tradionally had only the rules of chess and the time control limiting it. And the early masters that used and believed in coorespondence chess as a method to improve ones game did not have access to computers, nice to know I could get killed in the tourney I am in just because I'm playing 6 computers. The initial allowance of databases and books to aid ones choice of moves as well as playing the game through allowed improvement of ones chess abilities. Computers will have a greater tendency to be the one playing the game because they only prescribe one line of action from a position. That line is very strong and likewise tends to be the operators choice of the next move. If the allowance of computers is posted for the games it will allow for the players to chose which type of game they prefer.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-21 11:57:48)
Thinking on opponents' time
You may loose some time & energy... I don't think it's useful at correspondence chess time controls, like over the board... You have time, so : Why ?
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-21 12:09:00)
Best game
The "Best Game" should be a figurehead of the FICS-Site - but is it? I don't think so. That so an exotic opening experiment (particularly with black) will run in a real loosing position, is not very suprising. And also the praised last move is found by several engines in a very short time! What we (this site) need is a very high classed game with surprising twists - which engines never can find. And it must be with very good comments on most moves. Looking for this - that is the real challenge for all of us! Wolfgang
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-21 10:51:02)
Thinking on opponents' time
Most of my opponents are wondering how I'm able to managing my answers to their moves so quick on a very high level!? There is no mystery - I'm just thinking on there time!
There are only very rare situations where a answer of may opponents is able to surprising me. So my next move is nearly always clear and I can do it immediately and - after it - I'm thinking on of next opponent's move.
Just a suggestion. Wolfgang
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-21 12:11:22)
Tactics / server chess
You just have to be a bit more creative or to play different openings in your 3 games as White & Black in a tournament... Anyway, with online databases it's quite easy to know any player style & opening book.
There are many psychological tactics with server chess & CC time controls IMO, ie. it may be quite important to manage your unlucky opponent spirit during a tournament :)
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-21 12:23:19)
Thinking on opponents' time
Thinking in chess variants cannot lost time for me. It is not so important for me that the variants (I had thought about) will played. The contest with all chess positions is also my enjoyment - not only the success (or disappointment) by result of the game. Wolfgang
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-21 12:43:30)
Re: Thinking on opponents' time
I agree with that...
But so many variants & ideas, we have to choose... Games are the reason & the result.
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-21 13:03:07)
Game 2222
I think, only Fritz x has a fundamental problem with this position, for nearly all other engines is the solution only a question of time - some find it faster than other.
Ryan Benitez (2006-10-23 08:33:28)
RE: Thinking on opponents' time
I dont get why you want to save time. You have plenty and I see no reason not to use it. Any line that is not a forced mate yet needs more time imo.
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-10-23 11:13:43)
Rating / 8-game match
Hello Thibault,
it doesn't make any sense to count all results for the rating, independent whether generated by playing out or forfeits about time issues. At least one rating seems to be very excessive affected by this practise in the FICS Chess Championship! Wolfgang
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-23 18:00:29)
Rating / 8-game match
Hello Wolfgang. (FICGS, not FICS ;))
In these 1st FICGS WCH quarter finals, there were 2 forfeit cases & 1 match with 6 games out of 8 lost on time. In the first 2 cases, not all games were rated as a win (according to the 8-game match rule), the last case was a bit different but as far as I remember, the winner had a better position (winning or small advantage) in all games... Anyway, ratings wouldn't change significantly if 2 wins were not rated.
The real question is about 8-game matchs & fast time control 30 days + 1 day / move (quite hard). There's no perfect rule & particular cases could happen, but that's really interesting IMO & the number of games with rapid time controls are probably enough to balance ratings in time. We'll see...
Anyway, several players were surprised by the difficulty of this time control, I hope it won't happen again during the next cycle (that should start in january)...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-24 13:06:31)
Anatoly Karpov, world champion...
... signing 1951 copies of the book (written by David Llada) "Karpov, el camino de una voluntad" - record of most books autographed by a celebrity.. previous holder was Bill Cullen, who signed 1848 copies of his book "Golden Apples" in april 2005.
Quite funny & great performance :) .. this chess festival in Mexico city obviously was a nice event : Simultaneous exhibition with 14,000 participants (world record), rapid chess tournament with Korchnoi, Kosteniuk, Karjakin & Hernandez...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3446
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-25 11:47:22)
Once upon a time in Kalmykia
An interesting interview of FIDE president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov about future of chess, reunification match and other things...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3448
I can't resist this quote :
Misha Savinov : Bearing in mind successful unification, do you see a chance of Kasparov returning to chess?
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov :
In my opinion, Garry will not return. His age will not permit him returning, chess advanced too far. But, of course, we would all be happy if he returns. Actually, I would be happy if not only Kasparov, but also Spassky and Fischer come back. If they do, I am ready to organize a supermatch of FIDE champions. A good idea, by the way! We’ll invite Vassily Vassilyevich Smyslov, Spassky, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Khalifman, Kasimdzhanov, Topalov, Anand, Ponomariov… It is going to be a good supertournament!
Misha Savinov : In Elista?
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov : In Elista. And, probably, it will be 25-minute games, double round-robin. I wonder if Fischer accepts the invitation, what do you think? We will announce the winner a superabsolute champion (laughs)!
Misha Savinov :
One can call it an open championship of Kalmykia…
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov :
Are you suggesting inviting the Kalmyk champion of 1978? I think I could play 25-minute games…
.....
Dinesh De Silva (2006-10-25 12:55:01)
Re: Rating / 8-game match........
What Utesch says is quite true. But of course it's not the fault of the players of the duels. Simply, the duels system does seem to be a flawed concept!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-25 13:37:13)
Rating / 8-game match
Anyway this result is quite unusual in correspondence chess... :)
Conditions were best to realize such an increase of rating, and a part of the forfeit reasons are probably out of the match (a flag gate)... 6 games out of 8 were rated as a win in this match between Farit & John, with no other result for Farit when the rating calculation occured. It happened, it can happen, I think it won't happen often (I would be surprised if such a case occurs in semi-finals) but in all ways : That's great ! .. IMO :)
There's a part of "injustice" in all most watched sports and games, it's an essential element ! .. The biggest one 'strangely' is in soccer. At another level, chess stars choose their tournaments and manage their FIDE rating, remember ie. this match Etienne Bacrot (2470) vs. Vassily Smyslov (2510, wch) in Albert, with this result 5-1
An obvious, topical and nearer example : FIDE classical (old) world championship system is deeply unfair (for the challenger) but it MUST be kept !
As I said above, the concept (added to fast time control) may create some - rare - rating peaks, but effects are limited and I'm convinced it's interesting enough to try it.
To be continued... in a few years ? ;)
Halil Kiren (2006-10-26 01:51:49)
I cant move
i cant move for 4 days..:((
whats that..and my clocks going to be over.. i have 13 hour in a game..and i have a lot of games like this..
..this error is being for 2. time
is there any one have a problem like me?? or only me?
Glen D. Shields (2006-10-26 16:21:03)
It's Been Awhile ....
This tournament is the first time in awhile since I played on the Gameknot server. A lot has changed in server chess during my absence, but not at GameKnot.
There are two GK annoyances. I point them out NOT to trash GK, it's a well designed chess server, but hope that someone from GK who is following this match can instigate appropriate modifications.
I REALLY wish the e-mail notification indicating my opponent has moved would show his move. I have a lot of on-going games and don't have the time to make an extra log-on to GK just to get my opponent's move.
Also for those who use Opera, take note GK does not work (at least not for me). The board consistently shows up minus half the pieces. Refreshing the screen helps sometimes, but not always.
An extra log-in with my non-favorite browsers is not particularly endearing :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-26 18:33:58)
Reveal your software
Actually I wouldn't say that any engine vs. engine games are played here.
(or at ICCF, IECG ...)
This kind of statistics may be relevant on Playchess server or FICS [Free Internet Chess Server] at fast time controls where human can't help much, not in correspondence chess. That's obvious anyway that most players above 2000-2200 elo use chess engines, but games are not 100% engines, or any particular engine for sure...
I'm convinced Fritz or Shredder 'alone' wouldn't reach 2200.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-27 19:37:08)
Chess quizz :-)
A chess quizz ? ... Feel free to post any funny question about chess.. :)
1/ Who said that : "At night Kramnik is in my dreams. I dream that he has accepted my offer for a return match in Sofia. Or that I make a long stroll with him in Moscow, after which we visit an expensive nightclub. The strange thing is that the two of us are the only visitors there."
Ok, quite easy... The pressure should have been really high... :/
Solution - http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com
Another one... May be interesting :)
2/ Who lost........ ? (question unfinished, just say your first thought :))
Jaimie Wilson (2006-10-29 14:59:07)
Chess quizz :-)
Good to hear Topalov speaking so frankly.
Jaimie Wilson (2006-10-29 15:00:53)
Connected players
It is simply a list of players connected to F.I.C.G.S. at that particular moment in time, Isn't it? :))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-30 08:54:15)
Re: JUDIT POLGAR
Hi Dinesh.
Seems to be a question a money ?! .. If I remember correctly, Sergey Karjakin was to play Topalov with a 1 M$ prize fund (?), so why not a Judit Polgar vs. Vladimir Kramnik match...
She (probably) only needs a good sponsor and a serious preparation to create such an interesting event... I'm sure Kramnik would play it. I don't remember Judit playing a 6+ game match, but I feel it would be hard for her, first because of Kramnik style (& Judit's).
Anyway, great performance at Essent with a 2-0 mini-match against V. Topalov and I. Sokolov !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-30 18:13:36)
Big chess "birthday" tournament !
FICGS now counts more than 1000 members :)
The display of Big Chess games has just been improved : Last move marked, coordinates, speed, bugs fixed... So it may be funny to see more games !!
A special tournament will start soon, if you want to enter it, just post "I'm in." (or something like that :)) in this thread. The first 7 players will be in.
The tournament will be there :
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__BIG_CHESS__THOUSAND_MEMBERS_EVENT.html
Games unrated, time control is 30 days + 1 day / move... 7 players -> 6 games per player (big challenge).
Reminder : To see what Big Chess is, see the Inaugural match game...
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__BIG_CHESS__INAUGURAL_MATCH.html
100% human chess guaranteed, no chess engines & databases :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-30 20:20:03)
2nd FICGS chess WCH waiting list is open
Hello to all.
The waiting list for the 2nd FICGS chess world championship is open !
The 2nd stage of the first cycle may begin before the end of 2006. Thus, a new WCH cycle should begin every 6 months !
A small update in the rules : "A player can't be involved in two consecutive knockout tournaments." (of course, the 8 players involved in the quarter finals during the last cycle can enter the round-robin tournaments cycle)
Several logical reasons to this change : More fun & more chances for more high-rated players, decreasing the risk of rating peaks & to see a world champion involved in several knockout tournaments & candidates finals... to play the final match against himself :)
[edit : this rule is no more effective, simulations show the results wouldn't be interesting enough, and as it will be hard to start a new WCH cycle every 6 months, it's simply better to see the highest rated players in the knockout tournament, whatever the consequences]
Good luck & best wishes to all...
John Acre (2006-10-30 22:09:15)
lowball
I absolutely use an engine. The permitted use of engines is the only reason I'm at this site to begin with..... ........... ........... ........... ............. .............. ...........
Engine assisted games can be a great study tool, if used correctly. I analyze each position to the best of my ability, record my candidate moves. Select one, record it, and then feed the position into Fritz to see how it evaluates the position......... ........... ............ ............. ........... ............. ............... .............
If my move is in the same ballpark, I make my selected move, I feel fricking great, and I await my opponent's reply. If my move is substantially inferior to Fritz's selection, I try to figure out why, and then I play Fritz's move. This way, not only do I get to understand the positions rising out of my chosen opening in a depth I could otherwise never approach without professional guidance, but each step of the way, I learn to play the next move's position as if the strongest move had been played............. ............ ........... ............. ............ ........... ........... .......... ..........
If an opponent blunders in a big way, I mostly let Fritz finish him off, because the game is of no study value to me beyond that point. I don't care what my rating is, except that it be at a number where I can join a variety of rated tournaments (to face a variety of opposition). I don't play at this site to win, or to lose. I play here to get as close as a ~1600 OTB player like me can get to understanding the objective truth of the game............ ........... ........... ........... ........... ............. ............ ........
Sorry if that upsets anybody, but that's the whole reason I'm here. The community isn't big enough to have much independent value as a non-engine-assisted place to play correspondence matches. And why would one bother? There are a million of those places on the web. This place, however, is a one-of-a-kind goldmine. If engine play were to dry up or be outlawed here, what would be the point?....... ........... .......... ........ ........... ......... ........ ........... ............ ..........
Anyway, to answer, from my viewpoint, another question asked in this thread, I'm currently self-rated at 1500 for this site. I'm playing in tournaments at about that level, and am admittedly using Fritz 9. My record, out of 20 or so games, looks like it's going to be about 4 wins, 6 losses, and 10 draws......... ............ ........... ............ ............ ............ ........... ............. ......
Only two of those wins are going to be miniatures, and both of those against the same guy. So playing with engine-assisted strength of around 2500 on my slow-ish machine, I'm going to score around 45%, with about 17 out of 18 opponents playing at or above my machine-enhanced strength............... ........... ............. ............ ........ ............ ...........
People guessing 50% of users here use engines are lowballing, bigtime. I estimate around 95%. And I have no problem saying that I'm one of them.
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-10-31 06:43:50)
Scoring update:
Here are the results I'm aware of:
dewillget8 (GK) defeats Ilmars Cirulis in game one...........yanm (GK) draws with Peter Willoughby in game one.......tag1153 (GK) defeats Regis Ducreux in game one............ccmcacollister (GK) has just defeated Benjamin Aldag by virtue of a TIMEOUT.......Thibault, what happened with Aldag? Do we need to discuss this further?............current score - GameKnot 3.5, FICGS .5 after 4/24 games completed.
Sebastian Ilie (2006-10-31 06:55:11)
Go games "display"
Thx Thibault , for displaying the last move in red , you make my day :)
Speaking about improving this site , i must say that it would be better if the opponent message will be displayed at the top - i usually missed them :(
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 09:50:28)
Red mark + Message
Graham, really ? Please note the red mark is only displayed on the 'move' page, when you're to play a move. (not in the viewer page ie.)
Sebastian, that's quite right, messages may be forgotten on the 'move' page... But I thought it would be hard not to see it on the 'move_confirm' (cf. url) page, above the 'send' button... That's a problem to displace the board at the bottom IMO :/ And a popup window wouldn't be appreciated... I have no better idea at this time.
Thanks for feedback.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 09:58:18)
2nd FICGS chess WCH waiting list is open
Hello Wayne.
I can do this tomorrow. If the issue is about rating, please note that ratings taken in account at the start of the tournaments (TER : Tournament Entry Rating) are current ones at this time - november rating if this cycle starts ie. on december 15) - so ratings will be automatically updated in the waiting list...
Kind regards.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 10:09:47)
Benny : Lost on time ?
Hello Thomas, thanks for the report :)
I guess Benjamin Aldag will return soon, 10 days may have been a little short to start (holidays or so..). If he comes back, would you (& Craig) be ok to restart the game with 1 day at his clock ? Would be better for both, I guess :)
All the best.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 10:54:18)
Go : pro game videos on Youtube
An incredible mistake in a Go game by a professional 9p player. Pressure is high too :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj58O_qHBAU
"The player of the Black stones was Nakano Hironari 9p and the White stones were played by Ishida Yoshio 9p of joseki dictionary fame. This is part of a broadcast of a game from a TV tournament in Japan. The announcer who comes on in the middle says that there isn't time in the program to show the whole game so they are skipping to the end."
From GoDiscussions forum :
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=732
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 11:23:33)
Weiqi / Go videos
Not many videos on Youtube about Go, but some are funny :)
Baduk (Go) game on Korean TV (10 min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOgcuYNIXII
Hero movie (9x9 game)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M98aG3SeZI
Whazza ? ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7_hv1OJJbI
Mission impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVG33ZgbCGI
Hikaru No Go (manga)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwLKE3kFSw
Masters at work (looks like chess heh :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_URs__lmMo4
Go tournament (chinese)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmrQhtdr4ZM
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 12:02:00)
Chess videos : Youtube
Some interesting chess videos on Youtube...
Sofia Polgar vs. Viktor Korchnoi (wow ! :))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxeiGipoFSE
Kramnik vs. Topalov (Elista, 2006)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va9Hxr7bfEk
Kasparov simultaneous exhibition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqvMSgxj6O4
Game Over (Kasparov vs. Deep Blue) trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ias_bmSCev4
Kasparov vs. Altavista :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPIpWMCKEbk
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 15:47:58)
Chess games belong to the world !
Quite funny (or frightening) to see this kind of discussion now on a Go forum, the excellent godiscussions.com
About ten years ago, FIDE tried to claim Copyright over non-commented chess game records. In an article entitled "Chess Games Belong To The World" (published in The Kibitzer), Tim Harding argued how this would benefit only a few companies like ChessBase. The same thing now might happen in the Go world. (I saw at somes places Go games are not allowed to be free)
Tim Harding's article :
http://www.moyogo.com/blog/2006/10/i-have-no-problem-obeying-law-i-do.html
More on GoDiscussions forum :
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323
Stefano Ghisi (2006-10-31 19:18:13)
Time overstopping
My games 3516 and 3519 had never begun.
I won for overstopping or the match is "no contest"?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-31 20:49:57)
Time overstopping
Yes, that's a pity players give up games (particularly in thematic tournaments) like this... It can happen, but not so much games are given up in comparison to other chess servers. Just wait a few days more and it will disappear from your games list...
Kind regards.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-01 01:18:04)
Help For New Members
Too late, you & Roger were faster than me :)
I'll try to improve the F.A.Q. in Help...
Best wishes.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-01 17:00:37)
Game lost
Bonjour Daniel.
J'ai peur que le dernier coup n'ait pas été confirmé. La page confirmant l'envoi du coup n'a pas du s'afficher. Je ne vois aucun message (public comment ?) ... La partie semble simplement perdue au temps :/
Alarich Lenz (2006-11-01 18:44:52)
Draw offer
my oponent offered me a draw.
i did not see his offer and made a move how can i contact him (offer a draw)?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-02 08:31:47)
Partie perdue au temps
Bonjour Daniel.
Exact. Il apparait que le coup a été joué dans l'intervale de quelques heures qui séparent la perte d'une partie au temps de l'adjudication automatique par le robot. Dans ce cas, c'est le joueur lui même qui met fin à la partie... (l'horloge indiquant 'out of time')
Le temps restant pour le dernier coup était de [correction] 127837 secondes, soit 35 heures, 30 minutes et 37 secondes... Votre adversaire a joué le 29/10 à 13h 48 et vous avez répondu le 31/10 à 01h 53, soit 36 heures et 5 minutes après, ce qui explique le message.
Désolé, la cadence 30 jours + 1 jour par coup est difficile à tenir...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-03 11:10:16)
Only 965 ?!
Do you travel in time, Hannes ? :)
Was it a page cached by Google, your browser or.. !?
I can't explain how you see this number !?
PS : FICGS ! not FICS :)
(by the way, FICS - http://www.freechess.org - seems dead for several days !? what happened ?)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-03 11:32:37)
Rating change
Rating : 2005 , 1400 = (only result) will give a rating of 1969...
Of course it depends on the other results calculated, we couldn't say it means exactly a 36 points loss in all cases. (I think)
Hmm... What about a rating simulator...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-03 12:03:47)
temps de réflexion
Bonjour Henri-Louis.
Disons les choses... Ceci est clairement un sujet sans fin et sans solution, discuté sur les forums d'échecs par correspondance (ICCF, IECG etc...) depuis leur création. C'est mathématique, le problème est né de la lenteur de certaines cadences (40 jours + 40 jours / 10 coups), d'où le choix d'une cadence de 30 jours + 1 jour / coup pour les tournois rapides, peu demandés à haut niveau, et le championnat.
Et comme le dirait un certain Dominique de Villepin, j'entends ceux qui se plaignent, mais j'entends également ceux qui ne se plaignent pas :) ... J'ai lancé un fil il y a quelques semaines sur les temps de réflexion, les seules réponses que j'ai eues étaient claires : "Ne changez rien !" .. Tous les joueurs n'ont pas les mêmes dispositions de temps pour jouer aux échecs par correspondance, j'ai simplement mis en place la formule qui à mon avis peut convenir au plus grand nombre.. Pour certains, les cadences lentes sont trop rapides (je ne blague pas), pour d'autres les cadences rapides sont trop lentes... A cela je n'ai pas de solution raisonnable, je suis à peu près certain qu'aucune amélioration sensible ne peut être apportée dans un sens ou l'autre sans que beaucoup de joueurs ne s'en plaignent... La règle des 60 jours ne s'applique en général qu'à ceux qui abandonnent leurs parties et qui n'en tirent donc aucun avantage. Pour les autres, si la limite était fixée à 30 jours, cela ne changerait rien, avec un coup joué tous les 30 jours pour faire "durer", le temps total de la partie serait le même...
Le nombre de plaintes est très faible pour plus de 4000 parties arbitrées. A moins d'une meilleure idée qui satisferait tout le monde, je pense qu'il faut laisser les choses en l'état.
Amicalement, Thibault.
Thomas Gilbreath (2006-11-04 09:18:41)
re: the timeout
My player ccmcacollister will not be available for any re-start of the games vs. Aldag (due to personal reasons). I would like this situation adjudicated as soon as possible.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-04 14:01:17)
re: the timeout
Hi Thomas.
I have no news from Benjamin, sorry about that. It's 2 points more for GameKnot.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-05 12:45:06)
Fischer : "Now chess is completely dead"
A new interview from the former world chess champion Bobby Fischer...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3468
No surprise : Fischer’s problems with the Union Bank of Switzerland, United states founded and being run by extremists, Capablanca brillancy, but also : "I don’t like chess any more" (what about chess 960 ?), "Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorisation and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative"...
I just wonder.. How can we find so much pleasure in correspondence chess ? .. Was his pleasure only to destroy weak players or in real challenges against strong[er] players (ie. Karpov).. I can understand why a grandmaster stop to play competitive chess because it's too hard & it takes too much time, but I can't explain myself such a champion finding "limits" to chess & getting no more pleasure...
"Play Go !" :)
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-11-05 20:25:29)
Fischer : "Now chess is completely dead"
Why should be a (very, very) good chess player also a wise person? Bobby by himself has showed us that there are no correlation between theese abilities. It must be very frustrating for a grandmaster that very weak players can tell him for many positions (but far from all positions!!!) on an easy way by using chess engines what had been his mistakes in last competition!
Charlie Neil (2006-11-06 11:57:11)
Chess is dead.
What Fischer said about Capablanca on the chessbase interview in regards to openings could it apply about himself in relation to say Krammik or Anand. It is good to hear that he is toning down some of his views in his old age and that Iceland has taken him in.
Is the FBI warrant still out to arrest him if he returns to the USA?
He is still a World Champion of Chess and a personal inspiration to me ,in chess only I hasten to add. I am of the generation that were brought to chess by Fischer v Spassky 1972.
And finally, Thibault and team good work putting these links into the Forum. I find myself checking out the Forum when I login before I go to my games.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-06 22:11:06)
Board diagram not the same as pgn
I provoked a very improbable bug in our game... It shouldn't happen again.
Thanks for feedback.
Charlie Neil (2006-11-07 15:06:33)
Fischer's last tournament
would've been the 1971 Interzonal. After that all his games with , Taimanov, Larsen, Petrosian and Spassky were all matches. How's that for being pedantic?
Elmer Valderrama (2006-11-07 19:34:10)
Motivation
It appears to me Fischer's approach to chess it's a simple case of (lack of) motivation, if you haven't got any everything seems dull and grey. On the opposite side is V Korchnoi, older than him, but with a lot a will and of course motivation.
Of course having been at the very top preclude any further motivation, perhaps that's a curse to every WC (they can't just go on playing chess for fun as other GM (wanna-be WCs) would do -and be happy at the same time-, exception could be M Tal)
Jay Melquiades (2006-11-09 08:41:50)
hey
im in this
Dorel Oltean (2006-11-10 22:00:27)
retire, come back. What's next ?
I’m playing in two tournaments with Mr Marez : class M02 and WCH M01.
Mr Marez had practically retired from the FICGS tournaments because he did not play for a very long period (one-two month). He lost on time 4 of 5 remaining games in each tournament. Now he comes back to continue the games he did not lose on time. By proceeding like that he is not fair to all the participants in the given tournaments, ruins the results and gives a not serious character, an amateur-like flavor to the tournaments.
On top of that he is now registered for other tournaments.
I think someone must do something about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-11 05:47:37)
All tournament boards on a single page
A new update...
Reminder : When browsing a tournament page, if you click the "photo" icon at the right of the name of the tournament, all boards, moves and public comments will be displayed on the same page.
It may take more than 30 seconds the very first time (these days, because of the update), but then it should be much.. much faster...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-11 06:16:23)
@ Sebastien Marez
Hello Sebastien.
That's always interesting to compare IECG and FICGS... Several players asked me about your forfeit in the previous tournaments, so I'm curious : Can I ask you why you finally came back to play some games at FICGS (after loosing about 240 points - future rating : 2204) ?? I suppose the time controls here are too slow for you (as Henri), do you have an idea about a "perfect" formula ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-11 06:31:12)
... translation
Sorry to all who don't speak french... This thread is another one about FICGS time controls. Several players complained about the 60 days rule and time controls which are too slow... We discussed it already : In my opinion, one can last a game the same way with a 20, 30 or 60 days limit per move rule. What's important is the global time control and I think the 30 days + 1 day / move scheme is fast enough.
Sebastien Marez (2006-11-11 07:11:18)
temps de réflexion
Je suis revenu, car j'ai trouver un equilibre en les deux serveurs et que votre site me plait aussi. Il est vrai que le temps des parties sur FICGS est bcp trop long, le fait d attendre trop devient vite enervant et lassant, amenant ainsi un desinteret complet. Le fait de perdre mon classement n 'est pas important car je le retrouverais. Je comprends Mr OLTEAN, car je risque de lui enlever toutes ses chances dans les tournois respectifs. Il faut applique la meme regle que pour l'IECG sans reponse au bout de 30jrs les parties sont perdues, mais surtout reduire la cadence des parties pour retrouver un interet plus grand.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-11 07:24:59)
temps de réflexion
Such a rule (a player who do not connect to the server during more than 30 or 60 days [+holidays] automatically looses all his games at the same time) could be applied, but would it solve all cases & problems. I don't think so...
About time controls, is 30 days + 1 day / move really too slow ? What else ?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-11 14:13:54)
temps de reflexion
I don't understand why it is a problem !? ..
Many players like the 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves time control, it is even - much - faster than the same time control played by email (ie. IECG) !
Finally, why didn't you prefer to enter the RAPID M tournament waiting list ??
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-11-12 15:21:39)
Chess problem
Hello Thibault,
I think you are wrong! This position is one of my last finished games on ICCF and one of my best - at least from this position to the end.
It seems to be very important to find first the better way for Black instead of his last move.
Greetings, Wolfgang
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-11-12 17:04:21)
Black to move!
It seems to be an easy way for White after 50.g5! - but wait and see. The Black defending resources are not to underestimate. FEN= 4bk2/q3r1p1/1R1p1p1p/3P1PP1/4PK1P/4QN2/8/8 b - - 0 50
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-12 18:41:41)
Incredible life of chess players...
Sometimes I'm simply stunned by the players informations I can read... :)
http://www.ficgs.com/display_informations.php?member=1065
That's great to welcome players from all horizons... and ages !
Wolfgang Utesch (2006-11-12 19:54:37)
Nice endgame
Now I have to look deaper in all the variations I investigated during the game. Here are many lines which are the same as in other variations before. So I need time now to compare it all - to be continued later on!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-14 12:44:39)
A story of chess...
'not boring', at least :)
Hello again & welcome ! .. I'm so curious, I would have number of questions (regarding to chess, of course :)), like first at what age did you begin to play chess (maybe correspondence chess)... You probably know chess stories that nobody knows. But I don't want to take your time.
All the best, Thibault
Arthur Alfred Macarsindale (2006-11-14 13:22:07)
Story Of Life and Chess
Often closer linked than people may think! Ask me anything you feel you want to please.Chess or otherwise.I can only answer or not answer!
I was taught chess by a relative who was a rather fine player when I was aged 9 in 1921. He died when I was 12 years old and so I lost a playing partner. I was married in 1932 and, seeing the ghastly goings-on in Germany in 1930s knowing that the whole show was starting again as it had in 1914 ,I vowed to ensure that a group of thugs and criminals would not be taking a foot on the shores and shires of Great Britain and bringing along some new age of butchery and lunacy . And so the RAF was my home for the next 15 years from 1938. I revisited chess principally in 1940 and that was hot summer's days outside playing cards,chess and other games waiting for the phone to ring and 'scramble'. Unfortunately two of my chaps who I played often with were shot down and killed over Kent in August 1940. I miss them both to this day.
Then I did not play for years until the advent of correspondence chess in the 1960s and 1970s through the postal mail. And since 1998 the Internet.
There you have it!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-14 16:47:18)
Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz, 2006
In less than 2 weeks from now, classical & FIDE world champion Vladimir Kramnik will play the best (at least most famous) chess program Deep Fritz 10 !
From november 25 to december 5, 2006 at the Federal Art Hall in Bonn. One million US dollars for Kramnik if he defeats Deep Fritz, half this amount otherwise...
We did not forget the previous match in Bahrain (2002), that ended with a 3-3 score.
Do you feel Fritz improved enough to beat a player like Kramnik, who most probably improved his play too... Will Kramnik play rather different openings than in his match against Topalov ? .. Anyway it should be an interesting match to follow.
A few links :
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=95
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2947
Dinesh De Silva (2006-11-15 02:17:33)
Re:
He will most probably play semi closed openings & defences, which gives a slight/miniscule advantage or equality somewhere, avoiding early tactical open positions. So we might not see any Sicilian at all as Black in his repertoire. He'll try his best to outwit the computer by sometimes introducing deviations or novelties in the first 25 moves or so.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-15 02:35:07)
FICGS update : Security improved
Hello to all.
You may (sure :)) have noticed the new login page with two forms.
This is most probably temporary.
Of course, passwords are stored 'hashed' on the server so that noone can retrieve it, even me... Now, if you login with the first form, your password won't be even sent through the internet, it is hashed by your browser before. Second, passwords won't be stored anymore in cookies with the secure form. At last, a new barrier against hacking... The old form is still available because it might be possible for certain players to be disconnected early because of their changing ip address (according to the internet provider).
Please just tell me if you encounter any problem. Thanks in advance :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-11-15 09:43:58)
Hi! :)
What about http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=wikichess&article=3555.
IMO, 54.fxg6 is better than 54.Nxg5.
Ilmars.
Arthur Alfred Macarsindale (2006-11-15 11:31:26)
1996
It was a straightforward email chess akin to postal but by email.I am afraid my knowledge does not extend to Unix (?) and so on!!! So one had a boars set up and the moves came through by email.Primitive by today's standards but it served a purpose.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-15 12:56:07)
1996 + this site and others
So you played email chess since 1996 ! .. in a particular organization ?
About the boards here, you're right, they are quite small according to screen resolution. That's why I just implemented (at last) the possibility to change the board size & set in Preferences. Is it too small yet ? .. Anyway I have to improve it... All feedbacks are welcome :)
@ Marc : Thanks for info ! ;)
Marc Lacrosse (2006-11-15 12:08:49)
Early web chess
Hi Thibault
In 1989 I affiliated to Compuserve.
This was an international online system with chats, forums ...
... and an active community of chess players playing slow-timing chess!
You had to connect to a national server through dialup modem connection and then they relayed all-over-the world. Early interfaces were character-based under DOS ...
A few years later Compuserve began to interact with the "real" internet and so I was among the 100 earlier private persons to have internet access in Belgium...
So you see that server-chess is not that new!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-15 14:23:14)
Go scorer (improvement)
Hello to all Go players.
A small improvement in the Go scorer : Komi (7.5 points) is now added to White score and the program says who 'probably' wins !
Also a small bug corrected in the count algorithm, about a few unknown points...
In example, you can score this exciting game Vorobev -Steveson :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=score&game=3102
Just remove these groups : n8 m9 g18 r18 g17
Score is 183 to 178 (+ 7.5) -> White wins by 2.5 points. (verified with a viewer)
See the game here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=3102
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-16 01:56:57)
Something to be changed
Hmmm... Dinesh has his fans :) ... (just a joke)
This has been discussed before : Server chess has clear time rules, some players may "play" with the slow time controls, sometimes for a good reason, sometimes not... It can't be totally prevented (or feel free make suggestions).
Looking at your clocks, that all reached 100 days, I suggest you to play rapid tournaments. This problem won't happen often this way !
Best regards.
Don Groves (2006-11-16 04:33:30)
Go scorer improvement
Very nice. Is it still necessary to have both horizontal and vertical scores?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-16 04:42:49)
Go scorer improvement
Actually both methods will return the same score for closed positions only (after removing dead groups), but it can also estimate an early position by sharing out undecided territories. There, the two methods may return different values.
Don Groves (2006-11-16 08:07:23)
Go scorer improvement
Ah.
Ryaad Aabid (2006-11-16 09:28:27)
Suggestion
All openings became known nowadays.
If the opponents ends the openinig step, the clock will automatically be changed from 30 or 40 days to 7 or 10 days.
If the player has no time enough to visit the website during 7 or 10 days, he/she should take vacation, otherwise to leave! instead of bothering his/her opponents.
Thank you Thibault,
Ryaad
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-16 13:02:24)
Suggestion
The idea to jump the first time control (not to add 40 days at move 10) would have been interesting if we knew 'where' ends the opening, but that's quite impossible... The real problem is some players can't connect so often, or play so quickly !
It may be frustrating in some cases but that's correspondence chess... I connect about 20 times a day but I have many games and I feel in zeitnot in some of them. As for me it depends more on the game than on the time control...
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-16 13:03:47)
All the truth...
All the truth about toilet gate !
http://www.chessninja.com/images/computer-toilet.jpg
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-16 13:27:51)
Please link to FICGS
Dear friends, you may know how it is important for a website to be linked from other places on the internet since Google created his famous ranking system Pagerank...
FICGS has got about 1,000 links so far (not too bad after 7 months) for a Pagerank 5, but the more links, the more players !
Feel free to link to FICGS from your website, blog, in forums and so on...
You may contact me - info (at) ficgs.com - if you have a chess or Go related website, so that I add it in the file that displays random links at the bottom of each game page, ie. http://www.ficgs.com/game_342.html
A link written one of these ways would be very appreciated :
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com " title="Correspondence Chess Server">FICGS</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com " title="Chess Server">FICGS chess server</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com " title="Go Server">FICGS Go server</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com/forum.html " title="Chess forum">FICGS chess forum</a>
<a href="http://www.ficgs.com/wikichess.html " title="Wikichess">Wikichess</a>
Thanks in advance !
Glen D. Shields (2006-11-17 06:39:51)
Changing World
It's interesting to read players correspondence chess expectations as technology evolves.
What we see on servers like FICGS is the integration of players with various chess backgrounds and expectations. Players who grew up with the internet, and whose first chess experiences were real time chess servers expect games to move quickly. Players who grew up playing correspondence chess by postcard expect games to move much more slowly.
Personally I'm as equalled annoyed by players who stall (like the one described by Mr. Aabid) as I am by those who think move-a-minute correspondence chess is cute. It's going to take time and creativity by the server owners to balance players needs/interests. My ideal is when both players move at a steady 2-3 days per move pace (with the obvious exception for holidays, work, illness, etc). Those games stay interesting from start to finish and always seem to end with a pleasant thank you and congratulations.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-17 18:59:02)
Tournaments with money prizes
Hello to all.
Finally, Chess & Go tournaments with money prizes will begin in 2007 january !
"Money chess" is an all times controversy, many players play for fun only (even at the highest levels), others like much more this way of play. I think it's simply the most challenging, finally it quite looks like classical tournaments.
About Go, things are quite different, as software & particularly engines are a negligible factor in the play. The best players will probably always win, but weak players may be interested in a lesson.
You may have noticed some changes in the waiting list categories for money tournaments :
Two formats for 2-players matches will be available, 8 games matches (time control 30 days + 1 day / move) and 2 games duels (time control 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves) renewed in case of a draw.
Simultaneous games will be also organized with international masters for both games, with prizes shared if some players could beat the masters.
Of course, it won't change anything to the free tournaments & championships, it will be optional only. I hope it will help to provide prizes for the FICGS chess & Go world championships (sponsors are welcome :)) ...
The membership page - Terms and Conditions - has also been updated.
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html
Some major changes (as in money tournaments pages) might happen until 2007 january.
Feel free to post here if you have any comment or suggestion.
Best wishes.
Dorel Oltean (2006-11-19 15:51:50)
retire, come back. What's next ?
Is allowed to retire from FICGS tournaments (loosing around 10 games on time) and then come back to resume unfinished games and start new ones?
The answer is YES , it happened and , after more then a week from my previous message, it seems it can happen again.
The soft reaction of the administrator of the site and the totally (surprising for me) lack of reaction from any FICGS member showed it’s only me who has a problem. (Maybe, by changing the subject, my message was hidden behind the discussions about ‘the 60 days rule’).
I cannot accept that ! For me chess is a serious thing. I consider chess a sport where the equality of chances and the respect for the competition must be the first rules.
So I decided to retire from all FICGS tournaments . In M02 group I didn’t finished any game so my retiring will not affect the final standing. In WCH M01 I have only one unfinished game and my opponent will finish second last anyway. So my withdraw will only permit someone else to finish first and qualify instead of me. In my last group, A02 I wish to finish my remaining game (if I am allowed) than I will leave, with real sorrow, FICGS for good.
Whishing you nice games
Dorel Oltean
Charlie Neil (2006-11-19 17:05:27)
Retire and come back.
I'm sorry to read that you feel you have to leave because of the behaviour of some other people. I think that is just one of the drawbacks of having a free site on the internet. Anyone can join our "club" and conduct themselves in an unsporting manner. I think it is just one of those things. I have been the victim of similar unsportsman like behaviour in over the board games, by post and on similar sites here on the net. I just think you get that tiny minotiry (and that is all they are) who mess around. I do like playing on ficgs and , (so far) have been paired with well-mannered opponents who play fair. I have had a number of silent withdrawals but that is to be expected. I am just sad to think if any well meaning players would leave because of someone messing around. But life's like that, that's the way it is.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-19 17:56:13)
Retire and come back.
Hello Dorel.
I'm very sorry about that, but actually Charlie just said everything.
"It is just one of the drawbacks of having a free site on the internet."
This was only an obvious example, but the problem is quite more complex... What about a player who just looses a game on time and continue his other games. Farther, why a player should draw to another one and win to a third. Any result in any round-robin tournament is partly 'aleatory' and depends on many other factors than chess, particularly rules.
It also happens in over the board tournaments to get prizes, it can happen everywhere and at ICCF too... That's why I prefer knockout system. Of course, I'd like to solve all problems, but no rules are perfect. (by the way all suggestions are welcome)
The original post was in 'temps de réflexion' thread :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=1453
Best wishes.
Daniel Khayman (2006-11-19 18:20:37)
Messages
Hello everyone, I'm new here and have joined after recommendation from Mr. Wayne Lowrence, my good web friend and chess master (watch out for him:-). I've been trying to communicate within the site via text message but that seems to be impossible unless the receiver is your direct opponent; can anybody help me out? Is there a way of sending texts to whoever one likes? Thank you for dropping by, Daniel
Marius Zubac (2006-11-19 19:21:59)
A penalty system is needed
Hello Thibault. I think that time has come for you to add new rules to FICGS and a penalty system (using penalty points) to discourage players from retire-comeback behavior. Loosing some games on time unless provoked by some unforeseen event should be also penalized although less severe. Upon reaching a certain number of penalty points the player should be prevented to register for new FICGS tournaments (let's say a half a year) and on resuming the penalized player should be only allowed to play a limited number of games until the lesson is learned.
If you would compare FICGS list with the server-based IECG list you should notice that FICGS is less populated in the strong players section (2200+) than IECG and this has an impact on the quality of high-end tournaments, norms and titles and of course ratings. If we want to improve FICGS some action in this regard must be taken.
I sympathize with Mr. Oltean and wish he reconsiders his decision.
Marius
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-19 21:05:29)
Messages
Hello Daniel.
Sorry, this feature is not implemented (yet). This kind of webmail shouldn't be necessary here IMO. It has been discussed already, but all suggestions & arguments are welcome :)
Best wishes.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-19 21:40:49)
Re: A penalty system is needed
Hello Marius, thanks for suggestions.
My problem is : How to deal with ie. a player who can't play (personal or any good reasons) during a while and looses only one or two games on time in a tournament ? .. How to prove a 'retirement' ? .. Above all, we have to avoid cases that could be undecided by the rules.
Of course, IECG server is more populated in the strong player section ! .. But there is no link with this in my opinion, IECG - International Email Chess Group - exists for more than 10 years, it's a long way. I regularly read IECG forum but I did not try IECG server yet.
I only know that IECG & FICGS servers started about the same time (FICGS started one or two weeks before IECG server), as Ortwin gave me some advices about the server before it started...
Marius Zubac (2006-11-20 00:25:05)
The penalty system - a proposal
A player that for a (good) reason is not able to continue his games should have two choices: A) Let some games get lost on time and then he would be treated under the penalty system. B) Ask for a retirement and in this case no penalties should be applied. Once a player asks for retirement the following actions should be taken: 1. His status in the rating list should be flagged to retired; perhaps a retired player should not be able to register a new tournament; 2. A retired player could get re-instated by applying directly to the FICGS adjudication commission; 3. All the retired player’s running games should then be frozen and dealt with on a by tournament basis: 3a) if in a tournament the retired player has finished games that are not lost the remaining games should be adjudicated by FICGS for rating purposes. However all the retired player’s games should not be counted for qualification purposes (if the tournament provides qualification to a next stage); how the games are to be considered for norms is a matter to be discussed. 3b) if in a tournament the retired player has finished games that are all lost the tournament director can act as in 3a) or has the option of canceling all the retired player’s games.
This proposal is far from perfect but shows that we are not helpless and some action can be taken.
The reason I mentioned IECG is because probably on the server the population is roughly equivalent with the FICGS’s one but in IECG’s case the distributed is more favorable in the upper section. This is the reason why there is enough active population at any given time for new tournaments and severe rules are not needed as much as in FICGS’s case in order to maintain a meaningful activity.
My belief is that the centaur mode will prove in time to generate stronger games, stronger chess and FICGS will have chances to become in time the most relevant correspondence chess server. The technical conditions are already met.
Marius
Lawrence Nesko (2006-11-20 00:52:58)
Perhaps a silly question, but...
Hello, all. I'm new to the world of correspondence chess. So if my question is naive, or has been answered at some point in the past, I apologize.
It seems that there are no single-elimination tournaments available on FICGS. Why is this? Please don't take this question as a form of comlaint. I'm merely curious. Have I overlooked something? Or is it simply not the norm in the chess world, correspondence or otherwise?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-20 01:03:54)
Re: Perhaps a silly question, but...
Hello Lawrence.
Do you mean "knockout tournament" ?
Reason is simple, it doesn't make sense in correspondence chess, as time controls are too slow and rounds can't be played at the same time. On the contrary, in round-robin tournaments all rounds can be played at the same time...
But knockout system is great and it remains in FICGS chess WCH, which is a multi-stages tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-20 01:33:29)
Re: The penalty system - a proposal
Ok, I say why not... But once again the problem is : What to do if a player looses only one game on time (after 12 moves, very small advantage for his opponent) in a tournament ? .. How to be sure he has bad or good reasons ? How to prove a 'retirement' ? .. My opinion is you can't prevent all cheating attempts (obvious or agreements between players), but we have to discourage them as much as possible. At IECG, there are many tournament directors but a player can withdraw from a tournament without loosing a single point, and there are consequences on the result in all ways.
CJS Purdy : "The only valid excuse for withdrawal from a chess tournament is death, and then only with a death certificate" :)
I think FICGS rules are quite hard already. Most important is to follow clear rules, with no human decision as much as possible. Still looking for improvements.
Lawrence Nesko (2006-11-20 01:39:51)
Thank you....
...for the timely and informative response, Thibault.
Don Groves (2006-11-20 07:33:54)
Go : Komi
I feel 7.5 points komi is too much for some Go games. Since we do not use handicaps (which is good, IMHO) should not komi be reduced if White is a higher rated player than Black? For players of equal ability, 7.5 komi is fine, but when I must give Sebastian Ilie 7.5 points, it seems a joke. He beats me by 200 anyway ;-) I suggest komi be reduced by one point for every 100 (or perhaps 200) rating points difference (to a minimum of 0.5) when White is the superior player. What do others think about this?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-20 15:59:46)
Go : Komi
Komi 7.5 points is the 'estimated' fair value while playing perfect (at least pro)...
Since we use elo rating system for Go, I think any handicap (stones or komi) is nonsense, but maybe we could create an unrated category of tournaments, simultaneous games or matches with a handicap... Could be fun & more interesting in some cases.
Lawrence Nesko (2006-11-20 18:38:08)
En passant?
Hello again, all. Once more, I apologize if my question has been answered before, but I have searched the Help and Forum sections and can't seem to find an answer.
In one of my current games (#4602), I wish to capture my opponent's pawn en passant. I have a pawn sitting upon e4 and he has advanced his pawn from d-2 to d-4. I had always been under the impression that the proper algebraic notation for the capture would be
exd4 ep
However, this was not accepted in the notation field. I tried a couple of more variations (i.e. exd4 e.p.) to no avail.
Fortunately, I was able to execute the move via the board graphic. The move was noted as exd3. Is that the porper algebraic notation, or is that something that is necessary due to the mechanics of the notation field?
Thanks in advance for your patience and reply.
Lionel Vidal (2006-11-20 21:29:31)
You seems in advance :-)
Well, considering the results of last year pro games (almost a perfect 50-50 result, according to my rather large but admittedly incomplete database) I am not sure a komi change from 6.5 will occur soon, at least in the japanese pro scene... And the number of recent games in gobase that ends in 1 or 1/2 points difference is astonishing :-) (not really significant, I know, as pros have the capacity to keep a tiny edge till the end, reducing it to simplify the game... but still :-))
Anyway, for us, simple and humble go mortals, that does not change much :-)
(but even at my low level I tend to be more aggressive in my fuseki while playing with an opponent of my level or stronger when the komi is 7.5 instead of say 5.5... so considering the increase/decrease (black/white) of aggressive attitude, maybe it is important for most of us because the feeling of a game might eventually change)
Lionel Vidal (2006-11-20 21:57:03)
Go handicap and rating
Is handicap Go really nonsensical in rated tournaments?
While it seems so in a world championship, where the aim is to determine the stronger player in an absolute sense, why should it be so in a tournament, where the aim is to determine the best player in a relative sense... hum, not a very clean or clear sentence, but I hope you got the idea :-)
In face to face Go, in most amateur tournaments, it is not a problem, and you can win or loose a tournament, win or loose points, playing with an handicap (some tournaments set a limit lower than 9 in the number of handicap stones). I do not know the formulae used to compute the knew ratings, but in practice it works well. (and the same thing works also in Shogi tournaments)
Before WWII, even pros played with handicap (one or two stones at most, more commonly with a fixed color and no komi) and that *for money*!! Nowadays this is not the case anymore: maybe the increase of pro-tournament prizes change the noble way to be the best of two players fighting *their best* at their *respective* level!
Anyway, I think such an idea may be interresting to motivate players: when weaker, I will fight my best because I have a chance to win, and when stronger, I *have* to fight well :-)
We could think of a rating system where you play your first, say, 20 games without handicap to get a starting rating, and then to receive or give handicaps automatically in tournaments. We could then consider a rating as fixed after a bunch of 20 more games...
Or any other system that will always generate tense and dangerous games! That will be, at least for me, a great motivation to play more :-)
(but then I do not care much for my rating :-))
Daniel Khayman (2006-11-20 22:13:29)
Messages
hello Wayne, i'm glad you've popped in. yeah, apparently not many players here like to have a friendly chat while playing but, hey, you can always find a way around it so, if you wanna talk, my friend, just post a topic here and we'll discuss it......or maybe we can do by the usual e-mails :-). thanks for your welcoming Wayne and hope to meet you soon across the board.. daniel
p.s.: today my son has been hospitalised for 10 days to examine what appears to be a certain case of autism: the final diagnosis will be made at the end of this session but i'm not to optimistic anymore; he looked like he'd been improving but it was only a mirage or maybe just my irrational hope that all this be a bad dream from which i'll soon wake up. i've woken up, alright?!?! what can you do? life goes on and he's forever gonna need me so i can't afford to despair. the greatest match of my yet short life has begun. see you around Wayne.
Don Groves (2006-11-21 00:45:58)
Go: Komi
Hi Thibault, I'm confused as to why elo ratings matter. Go has used komi a long time to compensate for the first move while chess never has. But in chess, you have narrower rating groups, so practically never is an expert matched against a novice. Since in Go we have only three rating groups, these uneven matches happen many times. Until we have enough Go players to have more rating groups, a sliding komi scale would be a way to level the playing field a bit. PS - I'm not interested in traditional Go handicap games -- the empty board is the only true way to begin, IMHO.
Lionel Vidal (2006-11-21 13:03:54)
Oops, sorry!
After rereading my last message, I saw I forgot a negation that change the whole meaning: I meant a komi change would *not* occur soon in the Japanese scene IMO!!
Otherwise my whole point and argument is nonsense... anyway, while I would prefer 6.5 (just to play the very first move identifying myself to some of my Go hereos... come on, just grow up :-), I can live with the still much uncommon 7.5 :-)
Lionel Vidal (2006-11-21 13:47:55)
Komi vs handicap
IMO, Thibault is quite right: it would make no sense to increase Komi instead of playing with handicap stones.
To give points or to give stones is not the same: the very nature of handicap stones is pedagogic, that is to help *both* players to improve. Go strategy is complex, but can often been seen as a delicate balance between power (thickness) and territory (points). Handicap stones are put on Hoshi on purpose: to help the weaker player to build and use thickness, the most difficult concept to master compare to territory, where a beginner can actually count concrete points (or so he believes at first :-)
Playing at 9 handicap stones, or giving, say, 100 points komi is not the same and never will be: the weaker player has no chance with such a komi, because he will have no anchor to help his stones live and will probably be completely destroyed... but much worse, he cannot improve his play easily because he'll never be in a position where he could *try* to think strategically.
IMO, true go is not non-handicap go, but
a fair game where the tactical and strategic true nature of the game is preserved. How could we say that, for instance, Dosaku 'Go Saint' games are not true go, when he was at least one stone stronger than all his fellow pro players, giving them Black (no komi at that time) or one,two stones?
The beauty of handicap go is that IMO it *is* still true go :-) You can compare to chess where giving a piece, say a N as Lasker used to do, change the strategic nature of the game through a controlled exchange policy.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-21 19:44:09)
Vacation cancel : Not possible...
Hello Sebastian.
To cancel vacation is not possible, sorry. Because time is frozen during vacation, time virtually added to your clock may differ according to who played last move (you or your opponent), so it's quite difficult to take it back. Sorry about that :/
Daniel Khayman (2006-11-21 20:38:51)
many thanks
thank you guys, i appreciate your concern; i'll send you an e-mail immediately, Wayne. and thanks to this site too.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-21 21:24:02)
Poker, chess & chance
As many of you, I regularly read Chessbase news and I was quite surprised to read this article "A chess master's poker tour" by Almira Skripchenko about World Poker Championship, french celebrities and so on... (a way to popularize chess ? or is it only Almira ? :))
I used to play stud poker and I was just looking informations about the part of chance in games. I only found this article written in french (sorry) :
http://jeuxstrategie.free.fr/page_le_jeu_de_strategie_cest_quoi.php
If you know something about that or an article on the internet, I'm quite interested in.
Here is a personal estimation - at first sight - of the part of chance (opposed to a perfect play) in some games :
Chess, Go (& all determined games) : 0 %
Scrabble, Trivial pursuit : 20 %
Poker : 30 %
Monopoly : 70 %
Roulette, Loto (& all chancy games) : 100 %
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-21 21:30:43)
Go: komi
Hi Don.
As Lionel explained to me a few months ago, Komi shouldn't be interpreted as an advantage or handicap !
I first thought komi could be 0... but it doesn't make any sense in Go philosophy & theory. Komi's purpose is only to make the game fair, and the estimated value seems to be about 6.5 or 7.5
Barry Bell (2006-11-22 04:42:46)
Introduction - Anyone4chess.com
My name is Barry and after corresponding with Thibault on my website (www.anyone4chess.com) for the last few days, Thibault suggested I drop by and post something about our website.
Anyone 4 Chess is not a correspondence chess, we call our system an online a turn based chess system (Association – A4C). The site works on a 7 day cycle for moves and you receive no emails that a move has been made however, if you are entered into one of our free tournaments (all tournaments are free and their will never be any cost to play chess on our system) an email is sent to each player in any tournament that the next round is about to begin.
Anyone 4 Chess is an online turn based chess system however, it also hosts the Association dedicated to promoting, supporting and developing an association for webmasters / players who support this type of chess. We believe there is a place for this type of chess (different from correspondence, OTB and real time chess) and the association will work to promote this type of chess following the example of FIDE and other organization to work towards our mandate and goals.
Thanks
Dinesh De Silva (2006-11-22 05:54:24)
Re:
How much clock time per game per player???
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-22 13:54:26)
Go engines...
SmartGo is really nice, but I've read Many Faces of Go is a bit stronger (it would play around 8 kyu). I've tried both programs, and I feel they would be weaker at correspondence Go, as reflexion time couldn't improve much their play.
But they are a great way to improve by solving problems and watching pro games.
Lionel Vidal (2006-11-22 14:17:20)
Scrabble
Duplicate scrabble is a form a competitive scrabble where each player (more than 500 in some big tournaments!) has his own set and play the same letters, chosen at random by a referee. The goal is to score the maximum at each move. The referee, in case of multiple max scores, chooses the possibility that opens the grid more, then all players play that move and the play goes. The very best players end usually with very few points under the theorical top score!
Note that a computer always gets the top score (obviously!) in that form a competition, and so cannot loose. But in a duell, because of the strategic aspects, the best humans may still beat silicon monsters :-)
Barry Bell (2006-11-23 02:49:56)
Re:
Hi
The site works on 7 days to make a move, the clocks are reset after each move. To answer the next question: The site is a free turn based online chess system (a place to play chess free) and it also hosts an association to support webmasters that believe and or support what A4C stands for regarding online chess. As for google, as I mention to ThibaulT, we have no interest in google at this time, we are in the first phase of development and when the third phase is finshed we plan to take full advantage of these options when we are ready. Thanks
Barry Bell (2006-11-23 06:35:18)
Re:
I also want to mention that our system is very fexiable, with tournament play and normal game play. Example re tournaments: You start the tournament, you get choose whether it is open or closed, you make decisions on pairings if you want or just let the computer decide. You deal with complaints, withdraw or return players in the tournament, declare a winner, draw etc. In other words you cant just set the tournament on auto pilot and forget about it (well I can no else can...grin). Normal play, you find 7 days is not enough time, if the other player agree you baiscly can set your own time frames. Yes an option to claim a win will appear if your opponent does not move in 7 days but you dont have to accept it! I hope this is not to much information. - Thanks
Jaimie Wilson (2006-11-23 14:42:54)
Hmm
Isn't all chess turn based?
Peter Eizenhammer (2006-11-23 16:00:42)
No information and too ambitious
Visiting the homepage one can read some/few lines and is told that anyone4chess is going to "create the rules of chess" (sic!) and wants to be a "chess entity" "following the example of Fide". Wow, very ambitious. Thinking about it I am not so sure if people would be impressed if I told them that I am a GM created by anyone, ah Anyone.
Really, these creative some lines full of hubris could not convince me to register, sorry.
Peter
Marc Lacrosse (2006-11-24 09:27:56)
completely unfair and thus impredictible
The fact that the match conditions have been arranged on such unfair rules has two immediate consequences :
- we already know for sure that Kramnik himself is sure that he could not succeed on a more fair ground
- final result is unpredictible and probably already arranged beforehand
Marc
By the way the rules are really incredible.
Just an example : not only does Kramnik have the final opening book of Fritz at home for preparation, but moreover he will have the right to see Fritz's opening book _during_ the games with the various moves that could be played by the engne according to the player's intended move, together with the associated statistics. so in the unfortunate case where Kramnik could not remember is home killer preparation he will have the various choices presented to his eyes during play. Pretty incredible !
and there are quite a dozen rules like that ... (including the right for Kramnik only to call for an adjournement with subsequent overnight computer- or fellow-GM-assisted analysis ...)
For those who would like to have a look the complete rules are on Susan Polger's blog : http://www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com/
Don Groves (2006-11-25 20:42:20)
"Next" request
I would like to see the "Next" function changed to move through a player's games by going to the next game in the list instead of going to the front of the list each time. The reason for this is: if I have skipped over a game because I don't want to move in that game until I have given it more thought, I can't use "Next" to step through my games but must instead use "My Messages" to keep skipping that game. With a long game list, this gets tiresome.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-26 12:51:03)
Game 1
Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5 4.Bg2 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Nbd7 6.Qxc4 a6 7.Qd3 c5 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Nf3 0-0 10.0-0 Qe7 11.Nc3 b6 12.Ne4 Nxe4 13.Qxe4 Nf6 14.Qh4 Bb7 15.Bg5 Rfd8 16.Bxf6 Qxf6 17.Qxf6 gxf6 18.Rfd1 Kf8 19.Ne1 Bxg2 20.Kxg2 f5 21.Rxd8+ Rxd8 22.Nd3 Bd4 23.Rc1 e5 24.Rc2 Rd5 25.Nb4 Rb5 26.Nxa6 Rxb2 27.Rxb2 Bxb2 28.Nb4 Kg7 29.Nd5 Bd4 30.a4 Bc5 31.h3 f6 32.f3 Kg6 33.e4 h5 34.g4 hxg4 35.hxg4 fxe4 36.fxe4 Kg5 37.Kf3 Kg6 38.Ke2 Kg5 39.Kd3 Bg1 40.Kc4 Bf2 41.Kb5 Kxg4 42.Nxf6+ Kf3 43.Kc6 Bh4 44.Nd7 Kxe4 45.Kxb6 Bf2+ 46.Kc6 Be1 47.Nxe5 ½-½
Does Kramnik really hope to win the match in a struggle, just wait for a bug or only manage a draw more... Waiting for the 2nd game.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-27 18:13:06)
Game 1 : Kramnik misses a win
GM Yasser Seirawan posted an article on Chessbase, explaining how Vladimir Kramnik missed the win against Deep Fritz in game 1 :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3508
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-27 20:46:06)
Game 2 ...
Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 b5 4.a4 c6 5.Nc3 b4 6.Na2 Nf6 7.e5 Nd5 8.Bxc4 e6 9.Nf3 a5 10.Bg5 Qb6 11.Nc1 Ba6 12.Qe2 h6 13.Be3 Bxc4 14.Qxc4 Nd7 15.Nb3 Be7 16.Rc1 0-0 17.0-0 Rfc8 18.Qe2 c5 19.Nfd2 Qc6 20.Qh5 Qxa4 21.Nxc5 Nxc5 22.dxc5 Nxe3 23.fxe3 Bxc5 24.Qxf7+ Kh8 25.Qf3 Rf8 26.Qe4 Qd7 27.Nb3 Bb6 28.Rfd1 Qf7 29.Rf1 Qa7 30.Rxf8+ Rxf8 31.Nd4 a4 32.Nxe6 Bxe3+ 33.Kh1 Bxc1 34.Nxf8 Qe3 35.Qh7# 1-0
... I have no word.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-28 13:38:30)
FICGS chat !
Hello to all.
You probably noticed this new window on the right... :)
This is a chat window, here you can write to everyone in the international chat, and to people from your country only (in your own language !). You can moderate the messages by clicking on the arrow just before each message (please use it with moderation)...
Question is : Should it be permanent or not ??
Two ways :
1. It could appear only from time to time...
2. There should be a way to close the window during the session.
Feel free to tell me if you encounter any problem... Thanks for feedback !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-28 16:24:12)
Improvements
I just added 2 features on the chat window :
Now you can close it by clicking the arrow just before 'International chat'
Now you can refresh the messages by clicking on 'International chat'
Don Groves (2006-11-29 08:18:21)
"Next" request
The new next function still can be irritating when the game with the newest move is the one you want to skip until the end. Next takes me back to that game each time. Is it not possible to cycle through the list of games presented when one logs on? As new games become available, they can be added to the end of this list, not the beginning. In fact, a "Next Game" button beneath the board would be a nice feature, making it easy to skip over games needing more thought.
Charlie Neil (2006-11-29 13:21:22)
Krammik vs Deep Fritz 2006
I was shocked at first then relieved to see the world champion making a blunder and such a blunder. Only proves that this is a terrible game! That one time Krammik knows how I feel all the time! B-)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-29 19:38:21)
Another draw with White :/
Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 dxc4 5. Qa4+ Nbd7 6. Qxc4 a6 7. Qc2 c5 8. Nf3 b6 9. Ne5 Nd5 10. Nc3 Bb7 11. Nxd5 Bxd5 12. Bxd5 exd5 13. O-O Nxe5 14. dxe5 Qc8 15. Rd1 Qe6 16. Qd3 Be7 17. Qxd5 Rd8 18. Qb3 Rxd1+ 19. Qxd1 O-O 20. Qb3 c4 21. Qc3 f6 22. b3 Rc8 23. Bb2 b5 24. Qe3 fxe5 25. bxc4 Rxc4 26. Bxe5 h6 27. Rd1 Rc2 28. Qb3 Qxb3 29. axb3 Rxe2 30. Bd6 Bf6 31. Bc5 a5 32. Bd4 Be7 33. Bc3 a4 34. bxa4 bxa4 35. Rd7 Bf8 36. Rd8 Kf7 37. Ra8 a3 38. Rxf8+ Kxf8 39. Bb4+ Kf7 40. Bxa3 Ra2 41. Bc5 g6 42. h4 Kf6 43. Be3 h5 44. Kg2 1/2-1/2
Daniel Khayman (2006-11-29 22:44:59)
chat feature
hi there; is there a way to type more than only a few words on the chat window? if not, it should definitely be implemented. thanks, regards.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-11-29 22:55:24)
chat feature
Hello Daniel.
I had the same thought, I implemented it already, so it will be updated very soon :)
Charlie Neil (2006-11-29 23:13:37)
Krammik vs Deep Fritz, 2006
After the blunder in game two Krammik plays on and IMHO pulls game three out of the fire I thought. after getting into trouble he saved a half point with style and fight. But I could be wrong.
Charlie Neil (2006-11-29 23:31:15)
Ficgs Chat
Hello Thibault,
I logged in, switched off chat so I could make the moves i wanted to without distraction and now I can't get 'chat' back on. I am sure it is simple, like me, to do.
and thanks for all your hard work.
Jaimie Wilson (2006-11-30 15:14:36)
Game 3
I could be wrong, but I suspect fritz thought he had a clear advantage when the draw was agreed. My fritz 9 said something like -1 although even I would have fancied my drawing chances in the final position (maybe overoptimistically against a 2800 rated comp :) ).
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-01 11:19:43)
Deep Fritz, Rybka & future
The Chess Challenge 2006 in Bonn between classical world champion Vladimir Kramnik and chess engine Deep Fritz 10 confirms (who ignored ?) the best chess programs can rivalize with the world champion in a match, but it first shows us these calculating monsters still have weaknesses.
Question is : What are the real improvements in Fritz 10 compared to Fritz 9 (engine speaking only) ?
Here is what I think about chess engines nowadays (Fritz 10, Shredder, 10, Junior 10, Hiarcs 10 and particularly Rybka 2.2) :
The way of think to play correspondence chess is (or should be) mostly human one combined with a chess engine algorithm. We follow the tree of moves like a program with our selective algorithm (much better than chess engines), applying our judgement of the position when necessary only. The point is we evaluate moves and we almost never evaluate a position twice.
Chess engines are very good analysis tools but are surprisingly not designed to be very good chess players. I think a major improvement in chess engines should be recognition of 'sufficient moves' : ie. it is no worth to always find the best move at a particular point of the tree, this reflection time could be used later... It depends on the evaluation of the position, on the clocks... Iterative model is quite basic (in a game at least !).
Another point is recognition of traps. This is the start of psychology in chess engines, and basics of the art of war. It first depends on who your opponent is, and on the clocks too. Finally, at the end of the tree, chess engines evaluate positions, but how many evaluate moves ? .. Speculative moves were a step, but it first shew chess engines were not able yet to see what move is worth to be analysed really deeper, consequently creating a 'human' weakness, particularly against some other chess engines.
I don't know how Rybka works, but as far as I read about this one that calculates much less positions (about 10 times) than Fritz, I wouldn't be surprised that Vasik Rajlich had implemented a better approach of human way of think, which is undoubtly the future of chess engines.
A good 'centaur' in ie. Playchess rapid tournaments is first a good choice between Chessbase engines according to the position and clocks. Fritz qualities probably apply best in standard games, where clocks are really designed for him. Among Chessbase engines, Hiarcs is probably the best Blitz player and could be the best correspondence chess player (even if it isn't the best CC tool for humans). Rybka is probably a kind of centaur itself (sorry, herself ;)), knowing when to use (in the tree !) brute force and more selective approachs - not to be compared to Hydra or Deep Blue which, on contrary, use most brute force.
My conclusion is chess engines have much to learn from humans yet, we'll see a Rybka 5 and Fritz 13, with much better results against other chess engines, but their results shouldn't increase a lot against the best humans in future. Finally, it will never be a good correspondence chess player :)
My two cents.
If I find time, I'll continue to implement my own chess engine..... but it's a lot of work :/
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-01 11:23:50)
buy it!
HAHAHAHAHAHA ! :))
Actually question is : What are the real improvements compared to Fritz 9 (engine speaking only) ? .. I just tried to start an answer in another thread :
http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_1713-Deep-Fritz-Rybka-future.html
Elmer Valderrama (2006-12-01 21:07:50)
intuition
I haven't got even Fritz 9, so can't answer the question..but regarding
engine development, I believe they lack any chess intuition, it would
be a major breakthrough to implement one
...although apparently brute force
at 40-50 plies = intuition :(
Lionel Vidal (2006-12-01 21:42:25)
Intuition?! what for?
Don't you think intuition in any abstract game is in fine just a nice word to hide our (that is human) limitation in analytical power?
In many very good chess books (see for instance Watson opus), intuition is indeed shown as not an adequate compensation for a good, reliable, concrete analysis. Of course, for us humans, it is still very useful because the experience of already seen patterns may suggest the very best move in a given position, without even any calculation... but if you had the power to make a complete analysis, would you still use your intuition?
My feeling (and I am not very happy with that, but I don't see any evidence to contradict it) is that in 98% of positions, the brute-force stupid way of computers is already deep enough in the tree of possibilities to find the very best move (at least in any practical sense)... and the 2% left is only interresting for correspondence players... and then, only for the very best who can claim enough expertise, or enough time :-)
Now I am sure chess can still be fun: the old and only true chess way has just been re-edited: "tempête sur l'échiquier" (sorry I don't know the name of the english version)... at least I feel competitive enough :-))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-02 04:30:34)
Game 4
Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 d5 5. Nxe5 Nd7 6. Nxd7 Bxd7 7. O-O Bd6 8.
Qh5 Qf6 9. Nc3 Qxd4 10. Nxd5 Bc6 11. Ne3 g6 12. Qh3 Ng5 13. Qg4 Qf4 14. Qxf4
Bxf4 15. Nc4 Ne6 16. Bxf4 Nxf4 17. Rfe1+ Kf8 18. Bf1 Bb5 19. a4 Ba6 20. b4 Bxc4 21. Bxc4 Rd8 22. Re4 Nh5 23. Rae1 Rd7 24. h3 Ng7 25. Re5 Nf5 26. Bb5 c6 27. Bd3 Nd6 28. g4 Kg7 29. f4 Rhd8 30. Kg2 Nc8 31. a5 Rd4 32. R5e4 Kf8 33. Kf3 h6 34. Rxd4 Rxd4 35. Re4 Rd6 36. Ke3 g5 37. Rd4 Ke7 38. c4 Rxd4 39. Kxd4 gxf4 40. Ke4 Kf6 41. Kxf4 Ne7 42. Be4 b6 43. c5 bxc5 44. bxc5 Ng6+ 45. Ke3 Ne7 46. Kd4 Ke6 47. Bf3 f5 48. Bd1 Kf6 49. Bc2 fxg4 50. hxg4 Ke6 51. Bb1 Kf6 52. Be4 Ke6 53.Bh1 Kf6 54. Bf3 Ke6 1/2-1/2
... I really wonder if Kramnik played this Petroff defense with any hope to win.
Lionel Vidal (2006-12-02 08:55:46)
Intuition?! What for ?
3 out of 4? Really? Which test-matches are you refering to?
Leotard made a test (won :-) and with grand manner) but that was years ago, and besides, he is one of the very best :-)
Then there is the match against a panel of different engines by Ham: even if he does not play at the same level than Leotard, he is quite a good player!... and the results were very far from 3 to 4 for human :-( (that was also years ago!)
Then there are the hydra matches... :-( the results are not very good also for humans and the game comments are very instructive: against first class expertise chess knowledge and intuition, the 'dump' brute force machine managed to handle quite well complex ending positions...at least as well as all correspondence players but the very best (I would say the top 20 at most :-()
Maybe there is some recent test I am not aware of?
But the point really is: who can play like, say, Leotard? Of course, he says he can crush computers, just by playing them like 2500 rated players... well, I can believe that... but when I play a fritz-push-button opponent, I am only a 2300 player... have I to use also an engine to have a chance (and one game out of ten, be very proud to have chosen another move than one of the few the engine suggested as best and still not have lost... ok, just kidding :-)?
It can be still fun, but I think it is not the same kind of chess Leotard alludes to when speaking of himself in his after match interview :-)
Lionel Vidal (2006-12-02 09:54:32)
A lone engine in CC :-)
Suppose I make the following test (it has certainily be proposed before, but let's do it again, for the fun of the argument):
- I buy a recent engine (say the new Fritz10)
- I play in some CC tournaments (I do not want to pay fees, so let's say, here at FICGS of course :-), and at iecg)
- I choose the first moves of all my games based on some statistics made on a CC base (just to avoid some openings statistically bad in CC)
- starting from a few moves before the engine goes out of its opening book (to be defined, maybe 4 moves) I let my average computer run 10 hours by move (around one night per move... I know, I sleep too much :-)
- I *always* play the very move the engine finds as best
- I play as many tournaments as I can, considering the time constraint that limits the number of games (just to get a meaningful rating as fast as possible)
Now, what rating do you think I can reach at most, strictly following these guidelines?
(note that if I know some basic maths to do the stats, I do not even have to know chess rules... although a basic knowledge is assumed to ease the play in practice)
Are you ready to bet on your guess ? :-)
In pratice, the test does not work, because the tester dies from boredom long before he gets any rating :-))
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-02 13:40:46)
Chess engines CC ratings
It is my estimation. 3 out of 4 represents about 200 elo points. I doubt Chessbase will organize a Man(+Machine) vs. Machine correspondence chess match... However there are a few examples : Arno Nickel - Hydra (2,5-0,5), Hydra which beat Adams over the board 5,5-0,5 ... And I suppose Arno Nickel did not have access to the program, but knowing better his opponent I'm sure it's possible to reach such a score against any program.
About your test, it's been discussed here already :) .. In my opinion such a player's rating would travel between 2200 and 2400 (at most) mark !
Waiting for a match against Rykba :)
Lawrence Nesko (2006-12-02 17:58:08)
Does it even make sense...
...to attribute intuition to engines at all? I mean, even if the parameters of an engine were to be altered to limit its analytical abilities, isn't the engine still going to play what it's algorithm considers the objective 'best move'? If such is the case, then the engine still isn't using intuition at all, correct?
Furthermore, I'm not sure any grandmasters could be said to lack intuition. Fisher may have had less intuition than Korchnoi, but probably possessed more intuition regarding chess in his litle finger than I ever will in my entire body.
Charlie Neil (2006-12-03 15:03:09)
New chessboards
Enormous is big enough! Sometimes size does matter. Thanks Thibault for another improvement to an improving site.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-03 20:55:29)
Game 5
Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.e3 0-0 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 c5 8.Bb2 Nc6 9.Rc1 Re8 10.Bd3 dxc4 11.Bxc4 e5 12.dxe5 Qxd1+ 13.Rxd1 Nxe5 14.Nxe5 Rxe5 15.Be2 Bd7 16.c4 Re7 17.h4 Ne4 18.h5 Ba4 19.Rd3 b5 20.cxb5 Bxb5 21.Rd1 Bxe2 22.Kxe2 Rb8 23.Ba1 f5 24.Rd5 Rb3 25.Rxf5 Rxa3 26.Rb1 Re8 27.Rf4 Ra2+ 28.Ke1 h6 29.Rg4 g5 30.hxg6 Nxf2 31.Rh4 Rf8 32.Kf1 Nh3+ 33.Ke1 Nf2 34.Kf1 Nh3+ 35.Ke1 1/2-1/2
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-03 22:10:26)
Google Adsense
Hello to all.
You probably noticed these ads under the search field and on the chat bar.
Google Adsense could work with such a site with more than 24,000 pages viewed per day and constantly increasing, so I try. The idea is quite clear, if Google can sponsorize the server and FICGS championships prizes, they are welcome IMO. Google Adsense is an intelligent system, and adverts are quite relevant.
However, this is a test only ! .. Let's see.
Feel free to tell me what you think, is it unbearable, is it useful ?! .. Thanks for feedback !
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-04 01:27:44)
Reminds me something...
Ok, now I'm afraid conditions are 'ok' so that Kramnik looses this match...
Let's say game 6 is a draw, Deep Fritz 10 wins the match by score 3,5-2,5 first program on a normal computer to beat a world champion. Great...
However Vladimir Kramnik can be satisfied of his performance, he obtained a completely winning position and didn't really loose any game. He just gave his opponent a full point in a draw position.
Honor is safe, everyone wins. Like the song, what a wonderful world :)
Don Groves (2006-12-04 05:25:01)
Intuition
A good definition of intuition is the immediate knowing of something without the conscious use of reasoning. This leads to two observations:
(1) Computers cannot do anything without reasoning (programming) and thus cannot act intuitively.
(2) Intuition can be trained by practice. The more intimately we are familiar with anything (say a game), the more likely our first impression (immediate knowing) will be correct.
So, I think intuition gained through experience plays a large role and an intuitive player can go far in Chess or Go. At some point, however, one must become a good analyst to progress further.
I would be interested in opinions about how far in each game (elo rating) a purely intuitive player might progress.
Don Groves (2006-12-04 07:46:15)
Go: "Score" function
Hi Thibault. It would be nice to be able to score a Go game at any time it is being viewed. Is this possible to do?
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-04 12:52:51)
Intuition
I don't agree with that. If you oppose intuition to calculation / algorithm / reasoning, chess engines do have intuition. Even Fritz has chess knowledge, that looks like ours by the way, and can play at a 1900-2000 level OTB without any calculation (1 move forward) IMO. And the same, some chess engines improve their evaluation of positions by training.
Quite complex question, nearer philosophy than computers :)
Elmer Valderrama (2006-12-04 14:18:02)
intuition
I disagree, chess knowledge can't be equated to intuition, here
is my long post about it
(why am I writing about the same things all over and over and at the
same time of year, I dunno ;)
1. Players without any intuition whatsoever but great working
capabilitites (as Botvinnik, Fischer, Kasparov, ..engines..)
-they never relie on intuition (they dont have any at all after all)
so everything must be subject to calculation, they have the
"hardware" (perfect body and mental conditions, rigorous training,
perfect visual/realistic representation of positions and a great
chess knowledge which must be kept fresh in mind -if not, they wouldn't
have reference points to judge/evaluate resulting positions.
When on top form they can beat anybody and I mean ANY body: human,
extraterrestial,
ultragalactic, trans-natural, hyper-divine,etc, and for an overwhelming
score, like 6-0 ;)..well you know what I mean.
The drawback well you already know it, it last a mig, except for
the engines, no-one can keep up with this regime
(GK could for a long time, but resorting
to short breaks (not playing for WC, choosing carefully where to play
etc,) But most important it's impossible to implement for long if the
"hardware" -see above- starts to "leak oil" then it's all over..
This can be brought up to an art, like Kasparov or Fischer, it is more
powerful than understanding chess as a natural tongue (as intuitive
players) because the "top-form" competitive element is always
present and the "hardware" works in pristine conditions.
From the above it follows of course that engines are the ultimate
chess warrior over the board at least (and only there, not in CC)
2. Those who have strategical intuition. (Capablanca, Petrosian, Karpov
maybe Anand..)The general impression is that
they are simply lazy people: not need to work out any thing as they
just "know" where pieces should go and what the point is of their
moves, usually there is no need for deep calculations, just two or three
moves (4 to 6 plies) to corroborate the "feeling" and the game is won.
The "feeling" is hard to express in words, and usually is lost if
expressed in words ;). It goes beyond a simply pattern recognition,
or a full database of chess knowledge, it is about predicting the
future possibilities (not having real positions in mind, just the
"possibilities" or general lines of play in future positions which
may or may not happen to appear for real in the game.
They can play for long long time and win a lot of tournaments
(Karpov I believe have the record of won tournaments)
3. Those who have special understanding in unbalanced positions
(Alekhine, Tal, Korchnoi..) They are dynamic players who love
to calculate but not for the sake of finding the best of the best of
the best of the moves (as those in group 1 would do), they
calculate SOME variations, those who have meaning to them
I see them as players of group 2 with a more or less working
"hardware" i.e they are not going to trust 2 or 3 moves variations
neither they are going to speculate on the future possibilities
without any ground/basic calculation under it. Their "feeling" is
again hard to express in words, but I believe it is something like
calculating a 10-12 plies variation with every position in-between
being subconciously excrutinated for crushing unexpected turning moves
(this is not done by players of group 1, they would calculate
"normal replies" in that 10-12 plies variation and would have to
go deeper (like 20-30 plies to see the point ;)
So that "feeling" is what enable us to compose music, create
art etc but also it is something that enable us to err like fools :(
Whether it can be mimicked by software or not it's an open question
but as I said a calculation 40-50 plies deep it's practically
equal to using intuition...
Obviously the above classification of G Kasparov it's a bit
rough in the sense that there are very few "pure intuitive"
players (of either group 2 or 3) as mentioned by Don in his post
most of the players is a mix of talent I believe, if I had to
choose a pure intuitive player from those groups I would point
Capablanca and Korchnoi, and of course Kasparov of group 1
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-04 16:45:00)
Knowledge
That's difficult IMO to distinguish "feeling" and knowledge.
Anyway I completely disagree when you say Fischer, Kasparov (and so on) could beat ANY body 6-0 when on top form... Such results could only happen with quite 'weak' opponents, particularly in the past.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-06 00:05:33)
Deep Fritz 10
... wins the match 4-2
It's a shock (even if Kramnik said it and repeated - deeeep fritz is favorite). It's hard to explain such a result.
Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.0-0 Be7 8.Bb3 Qc7 9.Re1 Nc6 10.Re3 0-0 11.Rg3 Kh8 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Qe2 a5 14.Bg5 Ba6 15.Qf3 Rab8 16.Re1 c5 17.Bf4 Qb7 18.Bc1 Ng8 19.Nb1 Bf6 20.c3 g6 21.Na3 Qc6 22.Rh3 Bg7 23.Qg3 a4 24.Bc2 Rb6 25.e5 dxe5 26.Rxe5 Nf6 27.Qh4 Qb7 28.Re1 h5 29.Rf3 Nh7 30.Qxa4 Qc6 31.Qxc6 Rxc6 32.Ba4 Rb6 33.b3 Kg8 34.c4 Rd8 35.Nb5 Bb7 36.Rfe3 Bh6 37.Re5 Bxc1 38.Rxc1 Rc6 39.Nc3 Rc7 40.Bb5 Nf8 41.Na4 Rdc8 42.Rd1 Kg7 43.Rd6 f6 44.Re2 e5 45.Red2 g5 46.Nb6 Rb8 47.a4 1-0
It seems to me it was allowed to Kramnik to consult Fritz opening book, so first why to play 8. ...Qc7 !?
Elmer Valderrama (2006-12-06 14:21:49)
Deep (serious) dissappointment
..I think Kramnik website motto
"time is precious when you don't have enough of it"
couldn't be more true here: give him a CC time control and it would have been 0-1.
;)
Wayne Lowrance (2006-12-06 22:53:58)
Very surprised
F10 4-2, simply amazing and unbelievable. I will never put faith in any of these chessbase promotional matches.
With the advantages (various) that Kas had and given his chess stature this result cannot be trusted.
F10 is a great program for sure but should not have been able to win 4-2.
My two cents
Wayne
Don Groves (2006-12-07 09:01:45)
Scrabble
Thibault, I like this idea! It would be a very complex game and require not only good offensive ability (knowing lots of words) but also defensive ability to stymie the other person. There would still be the luck of the draw however, unless some method were devised to divide the letters evenly in the beginning, as in chess. Like Backgammon, however, it would be a game where skill could overcome luck at times.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-07 13:15:56)
Waiting lists restriction
Hello Mladen.
I could implement that, of course... What for ?!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-07 17:49:15)
Scrabble
A problem is I doubt I have right to implement Scrabble or such a variant of a trademarked game :/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble
Don Groves (2006-12-08 03:00:18)
Scrabble+
Yes, trademark is a problem ;) I have played a game long ago with a 5x5 grid where each player took turns naming a letter and each had to put that letter somewhere inside her grid. Scoring was one point for each letter that was part of a three-letter word or longer both in the vertical and horizontal directions. This game could be expanded to a much larger board with a few premium squares and with more points for longer words. This may possibly be close to your idea about Scrabble+. You have my permission to implement this and we split the enormous proceeds evenly. OK?
Don Groves (2006-12-08 03:02:27)
Waiting Liszt
Sounds like Mladen wants to be protected from himself becoming overloaded with games ;)
Mladen Jankovic (2006-12-08 18:56:16)
Re:
It's realy a problem of inadequate conditions (like not owning a chess board and connecting only from public computers). And playing too much games like that can be a frustrating experience, last time I started making dumb moves to just to end games, and reduce the presure.
Ryaad Aabid (2006-12-09 02:57:17)
At last
I could know WHEN to do my moves for the 2 mentioned games successfully!
At last my last 2 opponents became out of time.
Thanks to FICGS and good luck for all.
Ryaad
Lionel Vidal (2006-12-09 14:34:04)
scrabble+?!
I am not sure this scrabble+ would be a better game than the current face to face competitive version. (the rules imply a game of skill; but also of risk management because of the clock and the correctness you may loose, but willingly give up, in a form of bluff very like poker).
The point is, why would one change a game where players can beat computers if one has enough skill (because computers are still bad at valuating the level of openess of a scrabble position), for a game where a searchable tree is (in theory) enough to play the very best moves?
The game then becomes IMO quite void of fun in correspondence play, because the player skill adds nothing to the computer evaluation. Note the difference in chess, where most correspondence players are convinced they do add and choose something worth improving the play. (although I have just give up the idea to buy an engine... gnuchess is enough for me as a sparring partner, and correspondence analysis, I let it to my shaky brain... for shaky analysis :-), but more fun!... And thank you Thibault, you convinced me to play correspondence chess again :-))
The deepness of the game is another wonder: in the current game I have to ponder many possibilities, an probalistic equipartition (sorry for the bad translation) (and good players always keep the count of the remaining letters)... it seems much more complex, though less analytical, than just wandering along a calculation tree?!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-09 19:17:43)
GNUchess
Lionel, are you sure about GNUchess ? .. seems quite weak to me, did you have a try with Fruit, Rybka 1.0 or Toga ?
About Scrabble, what do you think of my idea (several posts above) to eliminate chance completely ? I'm thinking about a new board (and name for the game) with these rules - letters 'out of bag' and ordered already - may look like a chess-scrabble ?!
Lionel Vidal (2006-12-09 21:24:05)
scrabble+
Your idea for scrabble is interesting but the luck seems still there (not that luck is a problem per se IMO): even if the letters are shown, their very order is luck dependend ; and the only thing that really changes is that you can forsee the letters of your opponent and play accordingly... and so the game is actually more simple (!) IMO, more calculating prone and less strategic because you remove some possibilities, all as likely, in your move tree.
To be more concrete, suppose you can play a scrabble for, say, 75 points, and open the grid for the opponent, or play a nice glue-word for, say 40 points, but let the grid closed enough. In your proposed game, I just have to look at my opponent possibilities, as I know his letters... I calculate one, two or more moves ahead and say, ok, I can open the grid and still win by 10 points. In the normal game, I have to estimate, if the openess of the grid is worth the 35 points difference and that means calculating the rough propabilities to score points on the letters I open, considering what my opponent already played, if he seems waiting for some specific letters, or maybe he is bluffing, but then by experience I know that the double 'e' I let is not very valuable, considering that only four expensive letters remain...and so on: the game seems much more strategic and interesting for me.
Of course, I can loose because my letters are really bad... but that is quite uncommon on a whole game for good players, and almost meaningless on a match with, say, five set or more. (remember that the goal is not to make words, but to score points, or to prevent your opponent doing so on the grid, something a good player can almost always do whatever his letters).
For the chess engine, I did try some, and frankly my level in blitz play is so terrible that gnuchess is enough for me for a quick match:-). Now I tried Fruit and Hiarcs on some of my correspondence games and even on my modest scale, I was not very happy with the result: they did suggest others moves than mine, but that were moves I would never have played (maybe (surely?) I am wrong, but I am not sure)... so what would be the point to waste computer time? Even if they may suggest a good move I missed, I would still feel uneasy to play something 'outside' my own mind... old fashion maybe, but that is how I have fun in chess :-) I still like the waiting of the reply, while wondering if I made an oversight! (that being said, I used and will still use the tablebases reading engine when needed: very useful at some points :-)
But then maybe my biais against engines made me use them badly :-) Never mind, I am not going to apologize for that to a silicon piece of junk :-) And if the beast feels somehow insulted and asks for a real time match, let's just play Go!
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-10 16:20:16)
FIDE's world championship format
Quite good news...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3530
Ok, we'll have a final match between a challenger and the world champion, this is great !
(the worst is avoided)
In future, the challenger should be designated after a multi-stages round-robin tournaments cycle, then a candidates match (original :))
Will it be enough to attract sponsors... In my opinion the candidates match should be played in 6 games at least, and the knockout tournament should be at least 2 or 3 rounds long. Several round-robin tournaments, this looks like correspondence chess format and this is useful when you have many players and few time. I'm not sure it's a good choice for OTB world chess championship... :/
What do you think ?
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-12-11 09:51:26)
1.e4 e5 2.Bb5...
IMO it is completely sound. ;)
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-12-11 10:13:32)
1.e4 e5 2.Bb5
I added better (IMO) answer to 1.e4 e5 2.Bb5 c6 3.Ba4 Nf6 4.Qe2
It's 4.. d5 5.exd5 Bd6
Miguel Pires (2006-12-11 11:29:45)
Portuguese Oppening
I've a lot of cc games with this oppening. Some very hard. I'm (i hoppe) finishing the investigation of the line with Qe2.
"I added better (IMO) answer to 1.e4 e5 2.Bb5 c6 3.Ba4 Nf6 4.Qe2
It's 4.. d5 5.exd5 Bd6" I've a game with this line in ICCF. When i find the solution to that line i tell you.
If you wana, create a tournament with this oppening to us play.
Wayne Lowrance (2006-12-13 17:13:33)
Rubka clearly the best !
Yes, iv'e seen similiar postings with similiar results. I am wondering if programs like DF10 are better in coorespondence chess such as in the centaur mode. I have also read that DF10 is probobly better against a human. Ie recent match.
And their is the latest Hiarcs etc...very interesting to me.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-14 00:09:56)
Rybka clearly the best engine vs. engine
I fully agree with both of you... We must be careful, even if all these results are really impressive, most chess engines have been designed to play against humans and to be useful analysis tools. As I said in another thread, there are still many things to improve to make it the best engine vs. engine fighter.
Nowadays, the best chess engines try to 'think' like humans and actually have inherited human weaknesses from them, so IMO a Hydra or Deep Blue would crush ie. Shredder or Junior which try to make it harder for human brain while Fritz is clearly better balanced.
Maybe this new engines generation started with Fruit which plays very solid. So Rybka, which is clearly designed to beat his rivals but I'm not convinced at all it is a better tool to play correspondence chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-16 03:09:51)
Vacation clock frozen, no exception !
Hello Marius.
There is no bug ! ... Your clock is : White clock - 54 days 17:50:44 (49 days 13:26:08)
So clock displayed in ie. My games is your 'time per move' clock !
Rules 11.4 : Please note the time limit per move clock still runs during vacation. Take your days carefully, as it's not possible to take back or displace your leave dates. However you can add days leave.
This rule avoids someone to take more than 60 days for only one move...
Best wishes for your holidays :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-16 03:55:35)
Topalov vs. Kramnik v2, is it worth ?
I don't know how many times Kramnik will have to defend his title if challengers provide the money, but I'm quite disappointed with this news of a match scheduled only 6 months after the previous one.
I suggest they organize a match Topalov vs. Deep Fritz 10 (reigning world champion) first...
What do you think ? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-16 04:45:50)
Last game - Stage 1 / WCH 1
Stage 2 / WCH 1 did not begin yet... one 'undecided' game, take a look at game 1755 !
http://www.ficgs.com/game_1755.html
A double-zeitnot at correspondence chess time control, and an interesting endgame :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-16 13:06:09)
Correspondence chess time controls
Hello Lennart.
Sorry about that, it's been discussed a lot, as in all other correspondence chess sites: correspondence chess time controls are the source of many problems, I'm afraid without a solution. I can only say that's the better solution anyway.
If 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves is too long for you, feel free to play rapid tournaments at 30 days + 1 day / move time control.
My best, Thibault.
James Stripes (2006-12-16 16:19:10)
bad timing, but
World Championships should be decided by matches, nit by a tournament such as that planned in Mexico. Topalov was never a legitimate champion, but he is perhaps now a legitimate champion (and FIDE finally recognizes the legitimate champion again). If this challenge by Topalov succeeds in derailing Mexico, it will have accomplished a useful purpose.
Of course I'm lookin forward to watching the games in Mexico, and would be wholehearted in support if it were a qualifying tournament. Thus Topalov should be playing, rather than Kramnik; the winner should then challnge Kramnik with the full backing of FIDE.
James Stripes (2006-12-16 16:21:38)
Rybka vs Kramnik
When Rybka defeats the top human in a match, it will earn something far more important than demonstrating its prowess over silicone opponents.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-16 23:38:52)
What is the best chess program ?
Hello Austin.
You mean the best chess engine or full program ? Anyway, I think interfaces are quite the same, with small improvements in Deep Fritz 10.
About the engines, it depends more on what you expect (style of play) and the use... I would have a small preference for Deep Fritz 10 in all cases.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-17 01:38:17)
SEO forums
Hello to all.
You may have noticed new FICGS forums, linked from the Home Page (article follows) and from the bottom links...
http://www.ficgs.com/forums.html
The article : "The most famous game nowadays isn't chess or Go anymore, the game most played for several years is called SEO : Search Engines Optimization. The board is internet, rules are dicted by Google and players are the webmasters. Actually anyone who creates his homepage or a blog is interested at one time on how to get more visitors on his website. The stakes ? Glory or whatever, but first of all : Money, of course... FICGS now has his own SEO forums. Feel free to discuss anything about Google, his famous PageRank, Yahoo! search, MSN live, affiliate programs, AdSense, AdWords and so on... Have good-Google games !"
The idea is not to make this site a portal about everything or anything, of course :) .. But there are many good reasons to add such content to this site, even if it's completely separated.
SEO forums start today... first dedicated to webmasters, feel free to discuss anything about your website and search engines optimization. I'll try to give some advices :)
Best wishes.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-17 04:28:02)
Google results
Oldest sites are still best placed on some keywords, but FICGS slowly improves his rank :)
- "Correspondence chess server" :
FICGS is ranked 1st ! then SchemingMind, Chessfriend, Chessworld, ICCF, ChessHere...
- "Correspondence chess" :
Correspondencechess.com, ICCF, USCF, SchemingMind, EWCCF, Chessfriend, British federation, Scottish federation, RedHotPawn, QueenAlice... FICGS now is ranked about 20th.
- "Chess forum" : FICGS is ranked 13th
- "Chess server" : FICGS is also ranked 13th
Not bad after a few months :)
Jason Repa (2006-12-18 07:56:00)
new chat bar
Thanks for allowing players to remove the chat bar in their preferences. It was getting annoying having to manually remove it every time upon logging in.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-12-21 10:40:17)
Re:
A real cliffhanger! My opponent Krol is a very good player. When endings are interesting as this, correspondence chess is the ultimate winner.
Steve Sabean (2006-12-23 16:58:08)
Traxler/Wilkes-Barre
I have heard from many players of a wide range of strength that the Traxler is busted for Black. The trouble is, none of them appear to have proof. A few years ago, I played in a Traxler thematic in IECG. I had a great time, learned a lot, and managed second place overall. My own assessment is: unclear, but Black is probably OK.
So, why not have a Traxler thematic tournament here on FICGS, to settle the matter once and for all. :D Maybe it could be a double round robin, to be fair to those who feel that one side or the other has the advantage. I would sign on for such a tournament.
Nice Latvian, btw.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-24 17:25:20)
Karpov, Kasparov, Fischer play Go !
Just read this in IGN "Goama" newsletter (by Alexander Dinerchtein)
http://gogame.info/
"3. Both Karpov and Kasparov, former World Chess Champions plays Go on 10-kyu level."
"4. Somebody noticed, that Robert Fisher, the former Chess champion played Go a lot during his stay in Japan and reached the amateur 3-dan level."
Quite impressive. (particularly Fischer)
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-12-24 19:29:15)
Merry Christmas, Thibault! ;)
Thanks to Thibault for big XP in Latvian and Traxler. :)
>> About Latvian gambit game:
11.0-0 is a mistake. King feels safer in centre.
11.f3 is the best white move. IMO
I am still thinking that Latvian gambit and Traxler counterattack is won for white. :D
Now I will play 5.Bxf7+ in Traxler. 5.Nxf7+ is too complex for me yet (IMO it is winning too).
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-12-26 10:55:45)
About Traxler counterattack
My sixteenth move was a mistake. Much better would be 16.d3. IMO
Ilmars Cirulis (2006-12-26 13:48:40)
16.d3 looks good! :)
16.d3 Rf8 (again! :D) 17.Qg1 Qf6? 18.dxe4 and white stands very promising.
Better for black is 17.. Qxg1+ 18.Kxg1 exd3 19.cxd3 Nb4 20.d4 (20.Nc3 Nxd3 21.Nxd5 Nxc1 22.Rxc1 c6 23.Ne7+ Kf7 24.Nf5 Bxb3 25.axb3 Rd8 - draw IMO) and white have little chance to win.
I must look for something better. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-26 15:43:07)
Topalov disqualified for three years ?
Carsten Hensel (Vladimir Kramnik's manager) has submitted a complaint to FIDE, Veselin Topalov would have broken the ethical code of FIDE in a ABC interview.
More in Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3562
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-26 22:40:28)
Double round robin
In 'theory', that's fully right... I finally chose single round robin because double round robin means 6 games more per tournament, meaning less tournaments, less opponents and so on. As thematic tournaments are friendly - not rated - score is not so important, it's more interesting to play different openings IMO.
Miguel Pires (2006-12-26 22:56:40)
Thibault de Vassal
That's correct but if you play the same oppening with withe and black against the same opponent that is going to help you improve, because you don't wana enter in "his" line
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-27 00:37:59)
Simultaneous game
Ok, looks interesting... If at least 4 players accept your challenge, I'll create a simultaneous game on the server. Conditions : Unrated, time control 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves.
Miguel Pires (2006-12-27 00:43:23)
Simultaneous game
Thank's. Wana join?
Charlie Neil (2006-12-27 17:51:32)
Open Challange
Any room for a rabbit in the Portuguese simul? Count me in! Tally Ho!
Dinesh De Silva (2006-12-28 14:04:04)
Re:
There'll obviously be sound detectors, metal detectors etc. in major chess tournaments in the near future to catch cheaters. So, I think that though the bluetooth case is a setback to the integrity of the sport right now, such cases can be detected successfully most of the time.
Don Groves (2006-12-29 04:47:56)
Cheating
Chess tournament organizers need only to contact casino owners who have been dealing with these problems for a long time and likely are experts at detecting all forms of cheating.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-29 14:48:31)
To be continued
It has been discussed already, my conclusion was vacation had to be hard to use enough, in order to reduce influence on time controls, ie. a player shouldn't be able to take days to think more time when having difficulties in some games and cancel his 'holidays' after finding a solution... So it has to be discussed. Anyway, I'll add a message specifying vacation can't be canceled when taking days leave.
Reminder :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#playing
11. 4. Time rules
Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time. Time accumulated in a game can't exceed 100 days. Please don't call referee since you see your opponent's clock 'Out of time', you just have to wait a few hours a robot automatically adjuges the game.
Please be aware that it's possible sometimes your internet provider or a point between the server and you may block the connection between the server and you. Even it's a rare thing, it's strongly recommended to always have several days left at your clock. No result will be reconsidered or time added due to such a technical problem. No time will be added due to any problem during a period less than 1 day long.
It is possible to take a maximum of 30 days leave per year, called vacation. During this time, clocks are frozen and it is no more possible to play, in order to reduce the effects on time controls.
Please note the time limit per move clock still runs during vacation. Take your days carefully, as it's not possible to take back or displace your leave dates. However you can add days leave.
Dinesh De Silva (2006-12-29 18:33:20)
An English translation needed......
Could any Spanish speaking player please translate the following to English? It would be much appreciated:
"Estimados amigos, A fin de evitar mayores problemas en vuestra partida, he decidido que ambos jugadores envíen copia de sus mail obligatoriamente a mi dirección hasta el final de la partida.
Yo recibiré esos mails y los archivaré en una carpeta especial."
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-30 13:31:14)
Quad Silver?
Tournaments with money prizes will begin in january... By the way there will be changes in these tournament categories (it will be also possible to play "blitz" games, at probably 10 moves / 1 hour time control)
However I think this challenge should stay friendly... (at least 'on FICGS')
Elmer Valderrama (2006-12-31 11:01:04)
Blitz CC
It looks like half-way between chessbase freestyle
and rapid CC time control, personally would prefer the old OTB
control of 2h + 30min for 40 moves + 1h for 20 with adjourn; or similar TC.
Another time control variation on the 10moves/1h format would be to add an
adjourn (suspend for a later specified time), this could be
done after 4 hours of playing (or 6 hours)
Then, players meet the next day after some home analysis for continuation
with the same format (+ second adj after 4h or 6h)
I presume Thibault will enlighten us soon on this subject.
However I think it would be nice to let the player choose a time control for a
chess challenge (duel) so all flavours and individual tastes are met.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-12-31 14:53:21)
Blitz correspondence chess
Hello Charlie & Elmer.
Still thinking about it, I don't think it should look like standard OTB time control, some points are :
- How many games played at the same time (2-game match or tournament) ?
- Entries in waiting list will have a life period (someone agrees the challenge in the next hour, if not it's canceled)
- Adjournment is a big issue... It could cause many problems :/
- Too many time controls is not good IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-01 08:43:24)
Web directory
Hello to all.
A new extension (one more) to FICGS...
If you have a website, feel free to submit the url in the web directory to get more links :
http://www.ficgs.com/directory.html
Based on FICGS forums script, you can post your website, review other sites... You just have to create a free account that gives access to SEO (Search Engines Optimization) forums and Web directory.
Note : To create a hypertext link in the directory, just type ie. [url=www.yourdomain.com/page.html]Your site[/url] without http, see help.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-02 15:21:20)
Vacation
Sorry about that, Graham. That's right, rules are quite hard here, simply because many players asked for these changes. Result is satisfying IMO, but I've to clarify some points yet.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-01-02 16:36:42)
Re:
Hi, Marc or Elmer
I need an English translation for the following message too:
" Queria aclararle solamente que yo no había recibido el mail que esta
reenviando. Por favor, asegurese que su servidor este funcionando bien.
A partir de este momento, de no recibir alguno de vuestros mails, si despues
hay un reclamo de parte de alguno de ustedes, deberé tomar como que el
mensaje no se envió, cargando el tiempo perdido al jugador en falta.
Esta medida la tomaré de ahora en mas a fin de evitar inconvenientes y que
la partida finalice de la mejor manera posible.
Pasando en limpio, en caso de no tener copias de vuestros envios, deberé
decidir a favor del reclamante sin más tramite.
Saludos cordiales y Feliz Año Nuevo."
Miguel Pires (2007-01-02 17:22:41)
Re:
I'm going to try to translact this correctly:
Queria aclararle solamente que yo no había recibido el mail que esta reenviando.
"I wana elucidate you that i've not received the mail that you are recending"
Por favor, asegurese que su servidor este funcionando bien.
"Please, make sure that your mail server is working properlly."
A partir de este momento, de no recibir alguno de vuestros mails, si despues hay un reclamo de parte de alguno de ustedes, deberé tomar como que el mensaje no se envió, cargando el tiempo perdido al jugador en falta.
"After this moment, if i don't received some of your mails, and some of you make a complain, i assume that the message was not send, and the time lost is charged to the player that i've not received the message."
Esta medida la tomaré de ahora en mas a fin de evitar inconvenientes y que la partida finalice de la mejor manera posible.
"I make this to try to avoid any incovinients and to the game finish in the best whay possible"
Pasando en limpio, en caso de no tener copias de vuestros envios, deberé decidir a favor del reclamante sin más tramite.
"(I think is this the first word's) Making a resume, in any case of i don't have copies of your envoices (mails), i'm going to decide in favor of the player how complain, without any discussion (i think is this)
Saludos cordiales y Feliz Año Nuevo.
"Best regard's and Happy new year"
I hoppe i help you
Miguel Pires
PS: Sorry the bad english :)
Elmer Valderrama (2007-01-02 18:19:12)
my try
Miguel was quicker, here is my shot at it anyway (I thought it was a requirement for a referee in international CC to have a good command of English..]
====
I only wanted to clarify [to you] that I did not receive the mail that [you]
are re-sending. Please, make sure that your [email] server is working well.
As of this moment, if I do not receive any of your mails, [and then] there is
a claim from anyone of you, I will assume that the message was not sent,
charging the time spent to the player who default [didn't send a copy].
I will adopt this measure from now on in order to avoid missunderstandings
and that the game finishes the best way. In summary, in case of not having
copies of your mails, I will have to decide in favour of the claiming party
immediately. Warm greetings and Happy New Year
=====
Elmer Valderrama (2007-01-02 18:41:01)
Blitz correspondence chess
Do the games have to be played at the same time?
I mean if the time format is 4-6 hours per game, a 2-game match will be over in two days (weekend?), and a tournament of 6 rounds -in a week (or two weekends)..
Graham Wyborn (2007-01-02 20:36:47)
What is IMO?
What is IMO?
Elmer Valderrama (2007-01-02 20:43:37)
Blitz correspondence chess
Programming problems you mean?
In a 1-game match I would gladly play Black all the time :) -provided that
if draw Black "wins" of course-
It's tricky to make a fair 1-game match;
the old proposal of giving odds to White
(first two consecutive moves in a MUST WIN -other result loses- situation)
would give White -I reckon- 60-to-70% chance to win, which is about the same
odds as playing Black for a draw. But it's something new, which could be
tested. Here I could play Black just to try to prove me wrong, lol.
Ron Keyston (2007-01-02 21:19:58)
Me too
Not necessarily just you Wayne, I've never noticed the envelope either. I don't believe that I've ever missed a draw offer, but there have been a couple times where I didn't notice it until I was just about to hit the move button.
Ron Keyston (2007-01-02 21:23:50)
IMO
In My Opinion
Graham Wyborn (2007-01-03 00:12:41)
I'll stop moaning!
It appears to me that the "hard rule" re vacation is to stop players wasting time or using time in a mischievous way. All it has done for me and my opponents is waste time that could have been used wisely.
This is the only site that I use that applies such hash rules, I wish I had seen the earlier correspondence on this matter, as I would had voiced my opinion then, but now it is too late.
Anyway, thank you for the replies. I will stop moaning and look forward to the end of my vacation which will be on January 10th about 4 am!!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-03 01:08:07)
Blitz correspondence chess
Of course not :)
I mean I don't think everyone can play 2 games one 'today' and one 'tomorrow', or even be sure they really could play 'tomorrow'... There would be problems for sure with a "rendez-vous" system.
The advantage of playing White is probably not much greater (maybe not greater at all) than playing Black and to know who's your opponent, particularly with a standard time control, what do you think ?
Anyway everything is possible if no solution is clearly best, but we must avoid the old proposal with White playing ie. the 2 first moves IMO. It may be a funny variant to offer, but this is not real chess game.
Elmer Valderrama (2007-01-03 11:00:42)
Blitz correspondence chess
Well, as long as it's an unrated chess game, you can call it
Silver Thematic and virtually any variation would qualify as a real
chess game..
The way the winner is chosen in a 1-game (or 2-game for that matter)
match is what is debatable, it's a little advantage to have White that's
why having Black would be good if the color decides.
I think that players would agree to enter a tournament under
some conditions (e.g. as playing on Satuday 3pm & Sunday 3pm),
people were/are happy to enter the Chessbase "marathon"
(freestyle with 3 rounds per day) and most here hang around making
several moves per day in their CC games every day, so it's
a matter of agreement about the appropiate time (easier to achieve
with just two players (2-game match) than a tournament of course)
Maybe a poll would help although the players who would
enter these events may not be even registered to FICGS yet, lol
Wayne Lowrance (2007-01-03 18:14:36)
Elo questiion
Interesting Pires. I have similiar experience I drew a game with a higher TER than m e, yet I lost points, no many though.
I give up trying to figure out the rating scheme knowing that it applies to us all equally, thats enough for me
cheers
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2007-01-03 20:49:41)
Game end time stamp
hi Thibault
I have found it at times that I would like to know the date of a game result. Is this difficult to implement ? Do u think it is worthwhile. Just an idea
Wayne
Charlie Neil (2007-01-03 23:04:06)
Blitz Chess on Ficgs
Hello Thibault and New Year greetings to you and your team. Blitz on ficgs. I've beeen thinking, would it be possible to have "real time" games? The human element is the difficult one there. As for the tournament set-up, how about a six round swiss system? Speaking as one down in the ratings basement, single pairings with a rapid time limit in the swiss pairing set-up would be fun. Setting games between opponents on a real time basis I imagine will be very difficult so, what about a really rapid time limit tourney 10 days plus a day a move. I'm sure there lots of options available. Well it's just a thought. No one likes drawing in a Swiss tourney, you have to play for the win!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-03 23:57:33)
Blitz Chess
Hello Charlie, happy new year :)
What do you mean 'real time' games ? What about a time control like 10 moves / 1 hour or 40 moves / 2 hours ?
I'm not sure to understand the point... Swiss system means 6 rounds not played at the same time with complex pairings. Not usual in correspondence chess. Anyway, quite hard to win a round-robin with draws, isn't it :)
Charlie Neil (2007-01-04 12:07:29)
Blitz Chess on Ficgs
Hello Thibault,
By "Real Time" I mean both players are on the site, at the board at the same time. " The rendez-vous system" as you called it.
The Swiss system of pairings by rating and then the second round having the winnners play the winners and those with no points play each other and so on into the next 4 rounds just may work I think, draws are then discouraged.
If it is possible to play 40 moves in two hours on this site that would be brilliant! But how about 2 hours each for the whole game! Games lasting 4 hours maximum would be a challenge, and maybe fun.
Along with the correspendence chess features. Ficgs would have it all! But then "you may call me a dreamer but I'm not the only one".
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-04 12:43:32)
Blitz Chess
:)
Yes, it's possible... I've to implement some things (auto-refresh of 'My games' page in case of a fast game in the list, maybe with a pop-up window), but 2 hours for the whole game may be hard due to the way to send moves... 10 moves / 1 hour or 40 moves / 2 hours could be interesting.
Kieran Child (2007-01-07 12:14:08)
Rating
Would it be possible for the sign-up page to have a feature for entering your rating as a BCF rating rather than FIDE? I'm more used to BCF ratings and had to times it by five and add 80 then subtract 22% of my birthday before entering my rating - 'twould be much easier if the website did it for you.
This is just a suggestion though. I'm aware we're a minority.
Karsten Fyhn (2007-01-07 13:54:27)
Please remove me from the waiting list
Please remove me from the waiting list for FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000002.
I am starting two other tournaments elswhere in mid January, so I dont have time for this one. Sorry.
Lawrence Nesko (2007-01-07 16:14:49)
Hello, Thibault
It's game 5990. Again, I want to stress that I'm not implying any sort of foul play. I just don't understand a draw at such an early stage.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-01-07 19:14:02)
Game with Steve Sabean (5.Nxf7+)
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kf1 Qe7 7.Nxh8 d5 8.exd5 Nd4 9.d6 Qxd6 10.c3 Bg4 11.Qa4+? (my mistake :/ ) Nd7 12.Kxf2 Qf6+ 13.Ke1 O-O-O 14.Nf7 *
Now Steve can get draw with 14.Nf7 Nc5 15.cxd4 Nxa4 16.Nxd8 Qh4+ 17.g3 Qxd8 =
12.cxd4? Bxd4 13.Ke1 Qf6 14.Rf1 Qh4+ 15.g3 Qxh2 -+
Instead of 11.Qa4+ I will play 11.Nf7 next time.
11.Nf7 Qb6 12.Qa4+ Bd7 13.Qb4 Nc2 14.Qxb6 Bxb6 15.Na3 Nxa1 16.Nxe5 with +/- IMO
It's funny to learn from mistakes. :)
Jaimie Wilson (2007-01-08 18:00:37)
ECF ratings
There seem to be two formulae for converting between ECF (formerly the BCF) and FIDE ratings. The old one which still seems to be in use is ECF x 8 + 600 = FIDE ELO. A Newer formula I have seen is ECF x 5 + 1250 = FIDE ELO.
This newer formula rates ECF players higher on the FIDE scale than the old one did. I don't know which is more accurate although I certainly like to believe that the old formula underestimates us a little bit. It's as clear as mud.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-08 18:17:48)
ECF ratings
Thanks for info, Jaimie !
Scott Prestwood (2007-01-09 17:56:13)
Other names/lines
It may be of interest to know that the Scandinavian offers another line to this position; 1.e4 d5 2.Nf3. Other names for it are Chigago, Lisitsin, Lemberg, and Tennison, sometimes spelled with a 'y'.
Scott
Luca Purreli (2007-01-11 13:39:07)
I need to be removed
I wish to be removed from WCH.00002...
please....in this period of time and for the next months I don't have enough time......
Regeards,
Luca
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-12 09:45:31)
Google videos
A 20-minutes chess film by Krzymowski Chess TV Production about 2005 European Individual Chess Championship in Warsaw, Poland :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1209188319682979542&q=chess&hl=en
Including interviews with Vassily Ivanchuk, Agnieszka Brustman, Henrik Carlsen, Bartlomiej Macieja, Teimour Radjabov, Baadur Jobava, Sergey Karjakin, Charles Crawford (the British Ambassador), Boris Kutin (President of the European Union), Horst Metzing (Secretary of the German Chess Federation) and last but not least, Beethoven's Ninth Symphony :)
Also to see on Google video : Korchnoi beaten by a cow, Alexandra Kosteniuk playing blitz.....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2085861679131106209&q=chess&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7759628193600089422&q=chess&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7831006117106424885&q=chess&hl=en
The history of computer chess (conference, 2 hours and 6 minutes !)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1583888480148765375&q=chess&hl=en
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-12 10:01:46)
Cho U vs. Yoda Norimoto
Great video, a commented professional Go game : Cho U vs. Yoda Norimoto.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-707330422532806433&q=Weiqi&hl=en
... no english subtitles but interesting anyway !
Elmer Valderrama (2007-01-13 11:23:38)
WikiEndings?
..is it feasible? (I'm sure it is, it's just a rhetorical question ;)
I believe
endgame theory (and players) would benefit from a endgame section in Wikichess
contributed by members taken from their practice, especially if
general "rules of thumb" and guidelines are outlined together with
analysis. Specially interesting I think would be many-pawn endings and other practical
endings which are given poor coverage in the books and are less investigated
(and, as it seems, there are always holes in the analysis even from very strong players,
there would be a lot of room for improvement of the articles until a
general consensus is reached)
Subsections could be created in the lines of the ECO classification for
endgames, it would then be easy to find/correct/contribute in a given
position.
Any thoughts?
Kieran Child (2007-01-13 12:05:50)
ooh
That's a very very nice idea. I would suggest an immediate split in it between "pawn-dominant endings" and "piece dominant endings" then further splits for the type of pieces on the board and the opponent's material. If you stick to an advantage rule (like, white always has the greater points value) then it doesn't sound too hard. I would very much like to see this.
Sandor Marton-Bardocz (2007-01-16 18:29:21)
Conditional Move
Hi there!
I noticed that there was a topic regarding conditional moves but it is closed. I think that conditional moves, aren't a bad thing after all..it should be implemented..Just think about the first moves of a game....for now, even the weakest players play theory ( fritz database or something)and this implies that the first moves will be played rather fast...Then why spend time clicking around to get to the games on a starting tournament over&over again, just to play the well known moves? U can overcome the "irritation" issue by limitating the use of conditional moves. Let's say every player has the right to use for example ...10 conditional moves in the begining of the game (in the first 15 moves for example). After that in 10 to 10 moves have let's say 2 possibilities to use conditional moves...This way it's erradicated the annoyance of countless use of premoves. Btw. I think that the example of those players who might use Fritz or whatever chessprogram to play, and then premove the lines indicated by the engine isn't really good..Only if the opponnent against whom they use it ...playes using the same lines indicated by ....an engine :-) Otherwise I can't realise how on earth the replied moves can be the same and matching with....or those lines are really forced..and if that is the case then the use of premoves is normal. Thank You.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-17 10:58:24)
Knockout tournament
Hello Peter.
It should have started for a while, I agree...
Unfortunately there's one decisive game that lasts in round-robin tournaments.
http://www.ficgs.com/game_1755.html
Knockout tournament games could start anyway, but it's better to start all games at the same time. Patience...
Best wishes.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-17 11:24:53)
Conditional Move
Hello Sandor.
Still I have no time enough to implement this major change :/ .. This question, premove / conditional moves, will be debated again & again anyway.
My best. Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-17 11:31:32)
Hi Benny
Welcome back ;)
Hope you had a nice journey. That's a pity you lost your games (FICGS vs. Gameknot also) on time, but I guess it would have been difficult to continue...
Your videos are great, especially lesson 8 (with your music). Actually it seems to be some games analysis. Did you use a particular software to make it ? .. Keep us informed of updates :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-17 14:26:42)
Correspondence chess & OTB chess
An interesting article by GM Nigel Davies on ChessCafe, a GM's view of this 'other' game :
http://www.chesscafe.com/davies/davies.htm
I hope you enjoyed your games at FICGS even (true) if it takes a lot of time... Also thanks for the link.
Best wishes :)
Dinesh De Silva (2007-01-17 14:49:23)
Re:
I had some interesting conversations with Nigel during some games on FICGS last year. It was great that a GM like him played on this site.
Best wishes to him.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-17 17:59:25)
2nd FICGS chess world championship
Hello to all.
2nd FICGS chess WCH just started only 6 months after the first one and with about 75% players more.
24 tournaments with an elo average from 1620 to 1698, 1 group M (elo average 2363) and 4 quarter final matches in the knockout tournament :
GM Farit Balabaev (2569) - FEM Wolfgang Riemer (2415)
Thibault de Vassal (2514) - FEM Wolgang Utesch (2460)
SM Peter Schuster (2537) - FIM Harry Ingersol (2456)
Wolfgang Kund (2557) - SM Wladyslav Krol (2423)
By seeing the first moves, I predict the 4th quarter final will be a very exciting match with risky games :)
Thanks to all for enjoying these tournaments, I wish you good games and may the best player win !
http://www.ficgs.com/category__ficgs__chess__wch.html
WCH waiting list will stay open during next months for eventual replacements.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-01-17 22:39:46)
I will not be able to play
I also won a stage one group.
But inbetween I have too many games running (here + master class ICCF).
So I won't be able to play in stage 2.
I wish we could get more precise timings next time so that we can plan things more adequately.
Marc
Wayne Lowrance (2007-01-18 01:19:11)
Chess engines rating
Very nice information. A great big word of caution. We play coorespondence games here. Those engine-engine tournaments do not indicate directly which program is best suited for correspondence deep analysis, I do not have enough experience with the engines except earlier versions of Fritz, shredder, Hiarc, Junior and of course Dr Robert Hyatts Various versions of Crafty and Rybka.
Rybka is top rated eng-eng program for fast time controls. But not sure that it is best for deep analysis. My guess is that Latest Fritz is at least as well suited for deep analysis and perhaps better.
Then their is Shredder another top eng-eng program that is very very good at deep analysis.
From what I read and for what it is worth those are the best engines. But if you want the strongest program for 40/120 time control down to bullet chess,then the clear winner is Rybka by Vas.
Hope this is of interest.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-18 11:58:31)
Titles update from FIDE / ICCF / IECG
Hello to all.
A reminder : "It is possible to update the best title obtained from FIDE, ICCF or IECG just by sending an email to FICGS."
Rule 11.8 - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating
I just updated titles from IECG for Dinesh de Silva (FIM), Harry Ingersol (FIM) and Wolfgang Riemer (FEM). Congrats :)
Wayne Lowrance (2007-01-19 00:25:10)
Nigel davies
http://www.chesscafe.com/davies/davies.htm
This very interesting link provided here on FICS is good reading "chess Cafe"
The article by Nigel is very interesting and informing. I find it very interesting that he uses Fritz as his analysis partner here on Fics. Speaks volumes for Fritz I think. I have had Fritzies for long long time starting with Fritz5, and have learned a lot that has helped me with OTB as with Nigel.
I would love to find out what Nigel thinks about the latest releases of other chess engines.
Sad to hear him say he no longer has time for coorespondence chess. The loss is mine and all of you.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-19 10:25:53)
Correspondence chess
As I wrote to Nigel, correspondence chess teaches 'best' moves, probably not best chess IMO... I'm not sure at all this is the way a GM (should) play.
Definitely it's a very different game and we must keep an over the board vision of the game if we still want to play exciting games and avoid quick dead draw positions. (look at the games of Wladyslav Krol in example :)) .. Chess engines are a very important tool, so think different. A full debate.. to be continued...
Marc Lacrosse (2007-01-19 17:19:28)
Other forums that I visit daily
A few other computer-chess-related ones :
Winboard forum :
http://wbforum.vpittlik.org/
WBEC Ridderkerk forum (associated with one of the most reknowned engines evaluation site):
http://f27.parsimony.net/forum67828/index.htm
CSS-forum (german):
http://www.computerschach.de/forum/
Le Fou numérique (french):
http://f50.parsimony.net/forum200321/
And a very nice yahoo group devoted to unorthodox openings :
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/UnorthodoxChessOpenings
In another category I like the two following blogs where there are very lively daily discussions on every chess-related news :
Susan Polgar's one :
http://www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com/
Mig Greengard' daily dirt :
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/
Marc
Nigel Davies (2007-01-20 07:42:54)
Correspondence Chess
Hi Thibault,
I picked up your message and I would agree in terms that an OTB player should not try to play 'perfectly'. The point of my article was that correspondence chess can help cure OTB players of becoming 'too practical' at the expense of good moves. A lot of OTB players will develop defective (but dangerous) methods to score heavily against weaker players but get cut to ribbons when they use the same methods against a stronger player. This is particularly noticeable on the ICC, where some players will just try to win on the clock regardless of the objective strength of their moves, and most of the time it works. But their 'chess habits' suffer mightily as a result.
Best wishes,
Nigel
Elmer Valderrama (2007-01-20 10:48:05)
practical play
I believe this can happen at all levels: at +2700 level for example,
A Morozevich illustrates the case, +2951 Perf in Pamplona, not
too awesome in big events, Linares or WCs :/
-I think he might be easily the Most Practical Player of All Time --if that award exists--
Spiros Lois (2007-01-21 12:09:13)
rank explanation
what are the SM, FEM, FIM ranks in some players in the rating list? i only know GM = grandmaster IM = international master
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-21 13:48:44)
Go and chess, IGN Goama newsletter
From IGN Goama newsletter by Alexander Dinerchtein - http://www.gogame.info
Go and Chess Two Games, Shared Experiences
Chess and go show are similar in many ways, yet it's always strange to see how the masters of each game try to "invent the wheel", instead of benefiting from the knowledge of their colleagues.
Let's consider sharing experiences!
These ideas can be useful even for strong Asian Go professionals:
1. Currently, only a few pros use Go databases and programs for studying. It is easy to find commentaries, written by 9-dan masters, which state that a move is new and has never been played before. Yet if one checks such moves in Go databases, one can sometimes find up to 100 examples from professional games. How can they cheat the readers who study these commentaries?
Once in Korea, I showed the Bigo Assistant program (similar to GoGod, MoyoGo and SmartGo) to Lee Sedol's brother Lee Sanghun, 5-dan, who is the director of a large children's Go school. He was surprised and said that the program looked very useful, and he added that he had never met this kind of program before. He even suggested deleting all amateur games and games played on Go servers, because of their low quality. I promised to order the programs and to install them on the school's computers if he liked this idea, but he did not follow up. Lee Sanghun, 5-dan was not able to break the traditions of his forefathers …
2. Even such top chess players as Kasparov, Kramnik and Topalov enlist the support of trainers during important tournaments and matches. During the Communist era, almost every Russian grandmaster worked on behalf of world championship candidates. Our government forced them to help, to show them new moves and ideas. Those who refused to help were punished severely: for example, sometimes a player would be prohibited from playing in tournaments abroad and would be refused foreign visas.
We do not see this in Go. Everyone thinks only about his or her own self. Do you know who is currently assisting Lee Changho? I don't know, either!
3. I would like to say a few words about playing technique. Chess players often used to write the move on paper first and then make it on the board. This helps to avoid impulsive moves and to prevent blunders. Go masters record the game afterwards, and so one can often find terrible mistakes, such as overlooking ataris and recapturing ko without playing a ko threat first. As an example you may see Black's move number 271 from this game:
http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/collection/sgfview.php?id=10828
I am sure that if a player looked at their move at least twice before they write it on paper and after they would not make such mistakes.
4. Even top Go tournaments are usually run by the knock-out system so we often see sensational results. Mightn’t it be reasonable to think about increasing the number of games in each round? If rounds were best-of-three (in case of time constraints, it would be possible to use blitz time controls for the third game), it would help to minimize sensations.
How about organising a definitive World Go Championship? Chess players have contested one for more than 100 years, and competitions for this World Championship have revealed the very best players of each generation. In Go it's harder to tell which player is true champion. In 2006, for instance, one international tournament was won by Lee Changho and another one by Lee Sedol, while Cho U won the largest amount of prize money. Whom can we call the World Champion? Who can say which tournament is the most important : LG, Samsung, Fujitsu, Chunlan or another? We don't even have a unified rating system …
If we determined a single World Go Champion, he might earn the same degree of popularity as Garry Kasparov achieved in chess, and this could have a very positive influence on Go popularity around the world!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-21 13:59:06)
FICGS titles
Hello Spiros.
FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM are titles awarded by FICGS.
Requirements are not the same as in ICCF but it quite looks like : ICCF titles are EM (Email Master), IM (International Master), SM (Senior Master), GM (Gran Master).
Note : In rating list, a GM player could be a FIDE GM or ICCF GM...
See rules (11.7 - 11.8) :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating
Best wishes.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-21 14:31:00)
Chess ratings
Hello to all.
I have been submitted this case :
"Rating system: Look at this situation: Current rating ot the player: 2200, 10 games, all players with TER 2200, result 9=, 1+ Case 1: Finished games: 01.01-28.02: 9= --> New rating 01.03: 2200 01.03., no other finished games in this period: --> New rating 01.05: 2228 Case 2: Finished games 01.01-28.02: 9=, 1+ --> New rating 01.03: 2200 --> New rating 01.03. 2214 In case 1 the value of the won game was 28, in case two it was 14. IMO the value of a result should not depend from the number of games you finish in a period. The value of a result only should depend on the rating of both players that they have at the start (preferable) or at the finish date of the game and the result. And the rating formula should be like NewRating = LastRating + SumOfAllValuesOfFinishedGamesInThisPeriod. That's the way (idea) IECG is computing the ratings."
This result looks quite normal to me as a player's level may increase as time passes. Rating calculations are done after periods long enough to avoid big differences... I don't know if you're right about IECG rating calculation, FICGS ratings seem to evolve quicker and I think it's best. By the way this system is used by several chess federations.
Best wishes.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2007-01-21 15:16:26)
Chess ratings
I have formatted my message (and partly corrected) to be able to read the text better.
Rating system:
Look at this situation: Current rating ot the player: 2200,
10 games, all players with TER 2200, result 9=, 1+
Case 1: Finished games:
01.01-28.02: 9= New rating 01.03: 2200
01.03. 1+, no other finished games in this period: --> New rating 01.05: 2228
Case 2:
Finished games 01.01-28.02: 9=, 1+ --> New rating 01.03: 2214
In case 1 the value of the won game was 28, in case two it was 14.
IMO the value of a result should not depend from the number of games you have finished in a period. The value of a result only should depend on the rating of both players that they have at the start (preferable) or at the finish date of the game and the result. And the rating formula should be like
NewRating = LastRating + SumOfAllValuesOfFinishedGamesInThisPeriod.
That's the way (idea) IECG is computing the ratings.
Lionel Vidal (2007-01-21 17:49:41)
Go and Chess
About your point number 3... A chess world champion could very well note its moves before playing and yet be mated in one move :-)
In Go pro-matches, the moves are usually recorded during play by another (younger :-) pro, who has also to deal with time keeping: it makes sense not to disturb gods at play by basic housekeepings :-). I remember an article on the WEB counting the numbers of obvious blunders in go pro-games, and it was *very* low compared to chess.
Concerning your point 2, it is not quite true AFAIK: most top pros run a school of younger pros or wanabe pros who play and analyse numerous games on the Master supervision (He does rarely play with students and then it is a great honour!). So a master does not not really analyse alone, but discuss many ideas with others.
Concerning your point 4, I think that increasing the number of games would change the playing calendar too much and a pro cannot play many more games by year without consequences on his results... even at my very low level, I find a go game *much* more tiring than a chess one (here I mean a face to face game, not correspondence or server go... something I still don't manage to get used to :-)
BTW, I also find that recovering from a loss in go is much more difficult (again I mean face to face Go) than in chess: maybe because of a higher involment, maybe it is just me. What do others players think?
Another point is that a pro is paid by the federation (a fixed amount depending on its rank, not linked with his gains in tournaments that are much more important), and have to give some services to the community: lessons, conferences, teaching games... and so on... and this is more true for the lowest ranked pros!
Michael Finkelstein (2007-01-22 08:39:51)
problems with playback --
Whenever I play back a game and hit the move button, the computer screen drops down a quarter of a page and I have to move the screen up to get to the move buttons. I use firefox as my browser
I came here from playing a lot at queen alice. That site has an easier to use and more informative interface. For instance, allowing me to download my games in progress all at once instead of one at a time; also, have a light by the name of a player to indicate he is online; a buddy list, etc.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-22 11:26:58)
problems with playback
Hello Michael.
Sorry, so many things to implement yet :)
What do you mean 'Whenever I play back a game' ?
I use Firefox and Explorer and I didn't see that until now ?! (if I understood well)
I'll add a download button for all games, right now you can try to click the printer icon in 'My games', there's a list of your games in PGN format.
You can see who's online at the bottom of the page 'My messages' or go to http://www.ficgs.com/informations.html
My best.
Charlie Neil (2007-01-23 10:54:15)
playback
Hello Thibault,
Michael is right about the board dropping quarter of a page when you are going through each move of a current or a past game. But otherwise this is still a 'simple' site to play on. I mean not too many features that detract from the game. Keep up the good work.
Mladen Jankovic (2007-01-24 14:26:13)
playback
If you want to review the game, the pop-up window that is accessed trough the magnifying glass icon is a better option, and on top of that you don't have to reload the page.
About making moves, I never noticed as I find it a better option simply to type in the move directly in english algebraic notation.
Dan Rotaru (2007-01-24 16:42:19)
Suggestion for rating period
I would suggest that the rating period to be monthly instead of every 2 months. I understand the reason for longer periods between calculation being to avoid big differences but 2 months seems a little bit too long for me. I have noticed that some players with high provisional ratings or who started with high provisional ratings still have a much higher rate after they lost all or almost all their games, and players which started with, let’s say, standard 1400 still have lower ratings even they won all the games. And there is no such a difference between the Elo average of the opponents.
My point is that a monthly period will increase the dynamic of the ratings and eventually will lead to a much realistic overall ratings and why not to a more challenging environment.. Of course the number of games played will have the biggest impact on re-adjusting the ratings based on results, but a month period will help for example a player to obtain a higher TER sooner and eventually play on a higher ELO bracket tournament.
The other reason is that I believe many players will want to see how their rating evolves and a month seems more reasonable. As I said it is just a suggestion, others may not agree with me.
Thanks, Dan
Mladen Jankovic (2007-01-24 20:07:30)
playback, paragraphs
It is true that you can't change the perspective, but it is the easyest way to see how the game progressed. Besides, having your own perspective is the most important when you are making your move, IMHO.
For paragraphs, try pressing enter while you type in the text.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-25 11:54:20)
Rating period
2 months is definitely a good rating period IMO.
The dynamic of the ratings is quite high already, higher than ie. at IECG. "More challenging environment", quite true but it would lead to more lasting games for sure... About your last points, you're right but I'm convinced it would have some bad consequences too.
World championship tournaments also help to find quicker your rating.
Anyway, waiting for other feedback about this point.
Correspondence chess is definitely a game of patience :)
Jaimie Wilson (2007-01-25 22:06:54)
rating period
In England, our otb grades are only updated once a year (!), so we have it pretty good here IMO. :)
Jaimie Wilson (2007-01-27 01:44:28)
Scandy
I thought the Portuguese attack referred specifically to the line 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.d4 Bg4!? which would certainly make for an interesting thematic tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-28 19:34:00)
Rybka 2.2 vs. Fritz 10
Harry Schnapp organized a 6 games match between Rybka 2.2 and Fritz 10 on DUAL XEON 5160 (4x3000Mhz), the same computer Fritz 10 played and won against Vladimir Kramnik.
Rybka : 5,5 - Fritz : 0,5
http://perso.orange.fr/lefouduroi/tournois/tournois66.htm
All details and article in German / French.
Now look at the games...
What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-29 13:24:51)
Advanced chess
Hi Benny.
I think so :) .. however this is not the way it goes, I don't think it could be serious enough and it could be quite confusing.. by the way there are many places where computers are not allowed. In this case, rating is not so important, so just don't use it !?
Benjamin Aldag (2007-01-29 16:46:51)
Translation
Ok....i'll do my best :-D
Hattest Du seine mail mit der Datenbank bekommen? Viele Grüße and Nein, ich habe keine Datenbank von ihm.
Did you have his mail with the database got? Many greetings and no, I have no database of him.
yk
Ron Keyston (2007-01-29 17:27:38)
"Major" Deep Fritz 10 Bug
I've confirmed this problem on two different computers with completely different hardware and different operating systems. I've also sent the problem off to Chessbase, but have not yet gotten much of a response. If anyone else has Deep Fritz 10, would you mind giving this a try and reporting back with your results? Also, if anyone has the non-Deep version of Fritz 10, I'd be interested in knowing if it is also affected by this problem.
Input a game into Deep Fritz 10 and get to a point in the game where it is possible for black to castle long. Now save the game into a database, close the game and then open it back up from the database. If you either turn on infinite analysis, or just try to make the move, black is not able to castle long...Fritz assumes that it is an illegal move.
Furthermore, if you castle long BEFORE saving the game into the database, then save it and re-open it, then go to the position after black has castled queenside and turn on infinite analysis, the analysis is "messed up." Either the analysis text is invisible, or it reports impossible lines, or the evaluation score is very obviously wrong. This should be enough info for anyone to give the test a try, but if you want some specific examples, please let me know.
Ron
Miguel Pires (2007-01-29 17:42:25)
Ron
Can you give some examples? And another thing, waht Hash yable you use? And what is the maximum HT you can load?
Best Regard's
Miguel Pires
Ron Keyston (2007-01-29 19:04:14)
Specifics and Examples
OK, one PC is a 3.2GHz P4 w/1GB RAM running XP Pro. 256MB Hashtables with an ~800MB Maximum possible. The other PC is an Athlon X2 4600+ w/2GB RAM running Vista Ultimate (RTM.) It has 1GB Hashtables with ~1.5GB Maximum Possible. I can pretty much guarantee that it is not a hashtable issue though as the problem is with the legality of a move and only arises after saving into a database, closing the game and then re-opening it from the database. Also, if I open the same saved game from the database into Fritz 9, castling long as black is perfectly OK.
As for some examples, I will give the same five games that I sent to Chessbase. Some of these are contrived examples, whereas some are from my games here at FICGS:
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bc4 Bg4 6.O-O Nc6 7.d4
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 gxf6 7.Nf3 b6 8.Bc4 Bb7 9.Qe2 Nd7 10.O-O-O c6 11.Rhe1 Qc7 12.g3
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c4 7.Qg4 g6 8.Nf3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Nh6 10.Qh3 Nf5 11.g4 Nxd4 12.cxd4 Qb6 13.Bg2 Nc6 14.Qh6 Nxd4 15.O-O Bd7 16.Bg5 Ba4 17.Nxd4 Qxd4 18.Qg7 Rf8 19.Be3 Qxg4 20.Bc5
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 a6 6.Be3 Nc6 7.Qd2 Bf5 8.Bd3 Bg4 9.Be2 e6 10.O-O-O
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3
Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c4 7.Qg4 g6 8.Nf3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Nh6 10.Qh3 Nf5 11.g4 Nxd4 12.cxd4 Qb6 13.Bg2 Nc6 14.Qh6 Nxd4 15.O-O Bd7 16.Qg7
In all five examples, it is black to move from the final position. Also, in all five examples, castling long/queen-side is perfectly legal and likely one of the best moves. BEFORE the game(s) is/are saved into the database, Fritz allows black to castle long (and it is at or near the top line in infinite analysis mode.) AFTER saving the game into a database, closing the game window, and re-opening the game from the database, Fritz treats castling long as an illegal move.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-01-31 18:21:40)
1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nf3
This is the line for the next chess thematic tournament :
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__THEMATIC_TOURNAMENT__000023.html
A line played several times here already by SM Wladyslav Krol, and a really interesting opening that produced the current 'best game' :
http://www.ficgs.com/game_864.html
Does anyone know a name for this opening, or may I call it "Krol attack" :)
Anyway, it should be a spectacular tournament !
Charlie Neil (2007-02-02 11:45:33)
Without Computer
Marcus if you can please read the old forum postings, "Why do you play corr-chess." I made a similar comment about computers being used as the main player. Believe me I was wrong! As much as in correspondence chess you can use notes, books and databases for reference. Here at FICGS, (A great site!) players use their computers as a reference. It does not benefit anyone to just relay their computer moves without understanding them. Those players won't prosper nor will develop a passion we chessplayers have for the game. I believe that now to be the case.
Personally I don't have a Juinor8, Fritz 10 or Deep Joe 90 or whatever to use as a reference point. I do have a pile of books that serve to confuse me in my games. As I continue to seek understanding in this game. People should use computers as long as the computers don't use them! How boring can it be just to imput moves? The computer isn't compulsory. And I am saving a fortune on stamps playing here! It is fun after all. It is only a game. Even if it is a terrible one.
Marcus Miranda (2007-02-02 15:37:22)
Without computer
Thanks Charlie for directing me to the old forum, I thought that a computer engine is unbeatable if you give it enough time, and if this was the case there would be no human touch in the moves you play, I guess I am wrong.
Xavier Pichelin (2007-02-02 21:04:44)
Stage 2
Bonsoir,
Une petite question en français je suis désolé je ne comprends pas l'anglais (enfin très peu).
Les vainqueurs des groupes du stage 1 doivent t-il s'inscrire pour le tour supérieur ou bien simplement qualifié automatiquement pour le stage 2?
Et quand les matchs vont-ils commencer?
Je vous remercie.
Amicalement Xavier.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-02-03 18:09:12)
To Richard & Benjamin
There are dozens of web-server-chess sites where computer use is forbidden.
If you cannot see any interest in computer-assisted play why do you play here ?
Nothing requested you to play here ...
I won't argue on the interest of computer-assisted chess. It's a question of taste and I do completely understand that you do not like it.
Every month there is a new thread in the forum complaining against computer-assisted cheaters or defending the gimmick of the poor computer-assisted idiot unable to play on its own.
This I cannot accept : go away to these numerous sites where computer is forbidden (and real cheaters abound) and let us play according to the rules of this site !
By the way if you wish do choose any engine of your liking and do let it play alone without human intervention a pair of games against any of the 100 best rated players here.
I am ready to bet that the computer alone is probably going to lose both games or at most to get one draw.
Then you will maybe understand why the human touch is decisive in these games.
And as I already said on numerous occasions, when I am going to spend dozens of hours analysing a foregoing game all along months of play I prefer that my opponent won't spoil it due to a pure magnificent and so-human blunder.
Winning against blundering self-comfident purely human opponents has no taste at all IMHO
I prefer fighting hard against one who has all kind of book and computer help assisting him.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-05 12:37:22)
Stage 2
Bonjour Xavier.
Les qualifications sont automatiques... Les tournois devraient commencer d'ici une semaine à trois semaines maximum (j'espère)...
Amicalement, Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-07 18:26:15)
Illya Nyzhnyk
Younger and younger...
The new chess phenomenon seems to be this young boy, Illya Nyzhnyk (birthdate 27.09.1996). He just won Moscow open B (8,5/9 - perf 2633 !)
Impresssive, what do you think ?
http://www.dril-chess.com/
Simultaneous video
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbGwDRgVOhZs
Article from Scacchierando
http://www.scacchierando.net/dblog/articolo.asp?articolo=890
Charlie Neil (2007-02-08 09:32:48)
Why I play here.
Reading the forum postings as I do everytime I log on, I have noted that we are a diverse group here at Ficgs. For that reason I thought I would make my statement of intent. "Why I play here." 1. It is Free. I am Scottish and that is that! 2. I like the 7 player single pairing groups. 3. I know zero about chess and computers but I think I am learning something just by reading the Forum. 4. As I said a diverse group of people play chess here but in many ways it is similar to being at an OTB club, well at least as I remember them. All different types united by one game.
5. Chess is fun but what else can make you so happy when a scheme comes together in victory and what other game can have you rocking back and forth in your chair making you doubt every decision you have ever made. And all in the time it takes to click from one game to another. 6. I wonder how long it will be now before Thibault gets fed-up with us whinging, complaining and not appreciating his hard work! (Thibault just once tell someone complaining person to go and .....!) Maybe not.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-08 11:33:25)
Why I play here
I don't know if playing here is similar to being at an OTB club (well I forgot what it is :)), but I do appreciate to have time to discuss with my opponents.
About complaining, it looks like things are going really better for a few months, the site may be not very clear everywhere yet and I'm still late with new features to come, but that's encouraging :) .. Also I'd like to thank all people responding to newcomers in the forum & chat before I can see it. And last but not least, thanks everyone for the friendly peace that reigns here :)
Dinesh De Silva (2007-02-09 11:58:30)
Re:
Does Illya Nyzhnyk carry the teddy bear at all times while he plays?! Do you think it's a lucky mascot or something?!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-10 03:08:52)
Rybka, Fritz and future...
Computerchess is definitely an exciting challenge... The community is fast-growing, new versions of chess engines appear every day, many dream to be the next Vasik Rajlich and to produce an engine that would beat the well-known Chessbase engines and the famous Rybka.
These days, I had a look at Fruit 2.1, TogaII and Crafty source code that are available to download, and started to implement new search & evaluation functions. It's quite easy to understand why chess programming is so addictive, so much done and so much to do... finally I did not enter this mad race without an ending, probably for the same reasons Anthony Cozzie (the author of Zap! Chess Zanzibar) and many others retired.
However here are my feelings about future of chess engines, and the fight that just started between most probably Chessbase engines (Fritz, Shredder, Junior and Hiarcs) and a new era of chess engines that started with Rybka...
First, it's quite obvious to me that Rybka (now Rybka 2.3) is only another one of a long series of chess engines always stronger than each others ! .. I expect the next ones to reach 50, 100 then 200 points more (and maybe more) on the next chess engines elo rating lists, a scale that definitely can't be compared to human elo rating list ! .. Several reasons to this : (1) Chess engines are human killers at standard time controls, but chess engines are far to play perfect chess yet. (2) The way ratings are calculated.
Rybka taught us several things IMO :
- Algorithms and evaluation functions are no more enough. Now chess engines have to play chess, not only search a tree of chess positions... That's probably what Rybka brought to computerchess. Since Fruit 2.1 & Toga II source code is available, and computerchess community is constantly discussing improvements in algorithms, evaluations of positions and new ideas, to implement a chess engine becomes easier so I have no doubt that new very strong chess engines like Rybka will come.
- To become famous, a chess engine must 'also' beat his rivals. I first thought that Rybka was designed to be an engines killer only (at least before to be an analysis tool) with some tricks exploiting most engines weaknesses. No, Rybka is also a great UCI engine, simply stronger and with many options & features. Like Vasik Rajlich, who is engineer and international chess master, you'll have not only to think like an engineer to create such an engine. However I still don't think it is the best analysis tool for correspondence chess, it doesn't play really better chess and in all cases it is not enough. More, Rybka 3, 4, 5 shouldn't influence correspondence chess (maybe even human vs. machine) much... Computerchess influences computerchess first.
It's written sometimes that the strongest chess engines could reach a IM, even GM level at correspondence chess. I definitely disagree with that, at least for the moment (it will take a long time yet), but as chess engines results tend to approach correspondence chess ones (means more and more draws), I do think chess engines have much to learn from correspondence chess players way of thinking, meaning : A more psychological approach, bonus for traps detection. Evaluate moves, not only positions. A more complex search, not 'only' iterative (brute force is definitely useless). No more anti-human style, speculative moves (=weakness, ie. Deep Junior) for speculative results against strongest chess engines, draws are prefered. To avoid positions not understood by the engine. Longer games, closed games (if supported)... Opening books should look like correspondence chess GMs ones (of course according to the engine's style of play) and no more been made of FIDE GM games. A better time management... Future of computerGo may teach to computerchess about some evaluations.
A chess engine must play good moves AND try to win (which is not always the same). It seems Fruit & Rybka play solid and are waiting to exploit their opponent's weaknesses thanks to a better "chess" algorithm/knowledge. As far as I have seen, Shredder & Fritz still have the best 'eye', they see far but fuzzy. Quite the same about Fruit & Toga developped by a great engineer, Fabien Letouzey : Less chess knowledge but an improved algorithm. As for Rybka, a great chess knowledge and probably a smarter algorithm (not better, smarter !) were probably enough already. The future best chess engines will be made by good chess players...
An interesting point is it could be not so easy, maybe even nonsense, to create the best analysis tool that would also obtain the best results against other chess engines. My first prediction is Rybka won't be the top rated chess engine ever, hundreds of new ideas will appear in all parts of chess programming, slowly breaking Rybka secrets, then speed will be a factor again. Deep Fritz, Junior, Fruit or Hydra are most probably the core of the next generations of chess engines... but there's a lot of work yet :)
My two cents.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-02-10 08:36:07)
Re:
Do you think Illya Nyzhnyk's feelings would be hurt if chess officials ban him from carrying a teddy bear in future tournaments?! Or will they scan/ monitor or even interrogate the teddy bear?! Will Illya lodge a complaint citing cruelty to kids & teddies?! Will this divide the chess world in two?! Lastly, will there be a sizeable increase in sales for similar teddy bears by chess players who might think that these teddies might make them very strong players?!?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-10 15:58:56)
King's indian
Radjabov's good score in Corus 2007 tournament (Wijk aan Zee) gave a second youth to King's indian after Kasparov dropped it about ten years ago. Chessbase now sells a dvd by ex-FIDE world champion Kasimdhzanov.
I still consider this opening as a good OTB weapon, but what do you think about it in modern correspondence chess, particularly after the nice victories by Christophe Léotard during last ICCF world championship.
I think it could be interesting to discuss this opening, why not in Wikichess... What would you play after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 (9.Ne1 and 9.b4) ?
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=wikichess&article=4156
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-11 16:42:09)
Topalov suspected
Investigations to come. FIDE & ACP, Pavel Tregubov accusations...
Is Silvio Danailov the 'teddy bear' of Topalov ? :)
The whole story :
http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=741182
Really strange to see Veselin Topalov under attack the same way Vladimir Kramnik was.. by him. To be continued.
Elmer Valderrama (2007-02-11 19:56:12)
Topalov suspected
Following the article's gestures argument ("touches his nose, touches
his toes, touches the ground, and turn around") I think
this must make him his 'teddy' by definition
8-}
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-13 11:14:43)
Funny video
Have a look at this video posted on Chessbase news !
"The truly universal simultaneous master"
Really funny :)
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3665
Wayne Lowrance (2007-02-15 22:50:39)
Rybka, Fritz and future
I would like to comment. Your post is most interesting. I sort of disagree with you a little bit. But first:
I do agree with you that Rybka may not be the best CC engine. I sort of like F10 for that. Rybka end game is lacking behind several other engines, including Fritz.
Perhaps the best cc engine is a dark horse. named Zap, latest version. Rybka kills Zap according to posting in short games (Blitz) but recent testing evidence by reliable testers indicate that it is one heck of a engine in standard time controls.
In my opinion there are several engines that have proven that Humans have lost a grip in chess play.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-02-15 22:55:30)
Why such a shouting ?
@Benjamin Aldag
"The discussion is not about to change something. It is about to build a new feature here"
You are completely illogical.
Evidently you may play without computer as you wish here.
You may also try to find other members who prefer to play this way and register together with them in a tournament.
So what you wish to do is already possible.
But what you request is not that.
You request to play here against opponents for whom computer use will be forbidden.
This is simply not the rule here. It's even one of the fundamental originalities of this site.
The rules of the site are that everything is allowed
If you and friends of yours manage to play without computers this is up to you
But asking for special rules supposes that you intend to request that Thibault or someone will check that YOUR rule is enforced.
IMHO this is purely not working. You won't find any organisation that wil be able to ensure that no player cheats regarding this kind of rule.
So let me repeat (and it is MY RIGHT not to agree with your opinions) : if you find opponents with which you have an agreement for playing without comps here this is perfectly fine for everybody and it's up to you to see wether you are happy with the way your partners do or do not respect the agreement.
If you wish to change radically the rules so as to have tournaments where something like a police dept will check that no comp is used than GO AWAY and simply do register in one of the numerous sites where these rules do exist and where almost everybody cheats.
By the way : no need for shouting to tell what you wish.
Shouting will not make your opinions more valuable in any way.
Marc
Wayne Lowrance (2007-02-15 23:05:38)
more chess engine talk.
Thibault, you miss the boat on Hydra futre expectations in my opinion. Its advantage over pc engines was dedicated hardware (no necessarily speed) and ease of making program modifications.
However you perhaps neglect to consider the tremendous improvement in PC performance multiple cores, processors and et all. My thought is that the pc programs already are superior to Hydra. Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that Rybka has finished ahead of it in tournament play.
As far as other programs, you did not mention Zap. You best keep an eye on this one. It is very very strong and improving. Right now it is the only engine that has a chance of catching Rybka in eng-eng matches. I think it will be number two on the computer rankings. I will try to look further into Zap for a top CC engine. we see.
again, my thoughts
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-16 00:00:43)
A solution?
Hi Pablo.
The real point is here (quote from Benjamin) : "The discussion is not about to change something. It is about to build a new feature here"
Such a new feature is not only something more, it would completely change the challenge's nature offered here. I don't think it's a good idea. A special tournament would have no sense here IMO. If you want to play without computer assistance and be sure your opponents do the same, the only solution is... play big chess :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-16 00:24:16)
Hydra, multi processors
Hi Wayne.
I think you're right about Hydra and actually it's quite unfair to compare it to other engines. I don't know if such an engine using dedicated hardware still has an interesting future against multi-processors engines. Quite hard to say. And what about the Chessbrain project that could use thousands of computers - http://www.chessbrain.net
About Zap!Chess, as Anthony Cozzie retired from computer chess, I don't think we'll hear about this one during a long time and that's a pity. The race just started !
Dan Rotaru (2007-02-16 00:32:00)
Rating list
I think it would be nice to have a second rating list for established ratings. I have noticed that there are quite many players in the actual rating list who haven’t played yet a single game on FICGS. This list would also give an accurate picture of how many players are actually playing. Maybe this list can be implemented when the list will be updated at the beginning of March?
Thanks,
Dan
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-16 01:14:10)
Active player list
Hello Dan.
I don't think it's a good idea to have several rating lists (many reasons to this), but I can easily add in statistics the numbers of active players. Now, after which period of time a player should be considered as inactive at correspondence time controls... 3 months is not enough IMO, some players regularly connect and ie. wait for WCH tournaments to start, 1 year is still more than the age of FICGS.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-16 02:09:40)
Established rating list
Of course it's a good idea, and it can be discussed. So far, three main reasons for not doing this change :
1) One rating list is much clearer and easier to reach than two.
2) Provisional and established ratings are easy to distinguish already. (grey or not)
3) There could be more strong players in future who will play unrated games -only- at standard time control (2 hours / 40 moves, soon available) and in my opinion, the rating list is first a way to show who is playing there.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-02-16 10:11:57)
A suggestion
a simple suggestion : add two column to the rating list :
- one with the number of finished games on FICGS
-one with the number of running games
Your opinion ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-16 15:37:47)
More columns
These informations are available already, what Dan would like to know is how many players are "active", so I think I'll add (quite easy) in the statistics page [Menu -> About] the number of players who connected to FICGS for a period of time to define.
Elmer Valderrama (2007-02-17 10:59:30)
like a no-smoking zone?
I believe what Aldag want is a place with a sign "computer-free chess"
just like those pubs, restaurants, trains, etc use a "no-smoking zone" sign.
It will be visible so that it will deter smokers/engine-users to enter that
zone.
To make it less attractive to engine assistance, these games
should be unrated, with player automatically losing their current ELO
(that ELO rating could have been "won" using engines previously anyway)
so just their names will suffice, and there should not be no tournaments
--so that there is no "winners" as this will trigger the use of engines--
The players will only challenge each other and the winner will not be
known to anybody except the players, and the games will not be recorded
in the general database
and they will not be shown live: all this will for certain deter any need to
use an engine i.e. 'winning' means nothing literally and it will look as if it never happened
This way chess without engines will be as if doing something clever
when actually it is a loss of time -can't remember who said this about chess 8-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-17 12:26:13)
Les échecs en France
Here is the agreement just signed by the ministry of education and the french chess federation - fédération française des échecs (F.F.E.)
This should help to promote chess in France.
CONVENTION-CADRE
Établie entre les soussignés :
L'État - Ministère de l'Education nationale, de l'Enseignement supérieur et de la Recherche
représenté par Monsieur Gilles de Robien, ministre,
ci-dessous dénommé " le Ministère "
et
La Fédération française des échecs
représenté par Monsieur Jean-Claude Moingt, président,
ci-dessous dénommé " la Fédération "
Rappelant
Que le jeu d'échecs, activité à la fois ludique et sportive, constitue aussi et surtout une activité intellectuelle qui permet de développer des compétences diverses chez ceux qui le pratiquent, et notamment chez les jeunes auprès de qui il constitue un réel vecteur de formation ;
Que la pratique des échecs encourage notamment le développement des capacités intellectuelles telles que la mémoire, le raisonnement logique, la capacité d'abstraction, l'analyse de problème et la mise en oeuvre de stratégies de résolution ;
Que la pratique des échecs contribue également à la construction de la personnalité en encourageant l'attention, l'imagination, l'anticipation, le jugement et la confiance en soi ;
Que le jeu d'échecs, école de concentration et de maîtrise de la pensée, est enfin une école de maîtrise de soi qui favorise l'apprentissage des règles et le respect d'autrui, et à ce titre participe de l'apprentissage de la citoyenneté ;
Considérant
Que, pour toutes ces raisons, le jeu d'échecs constitue un complément légitime et pertinent des activités éducatives proposées par l'Ecole ;
Que de nombreuses expériences menées en académies ont permis de mettre en oeuvre des projets de qualité associant des établissements scolaires et des clubs d'échecs dans un cadre réfléchi et concerté entre les parties concernées ;
Que ces initiatives ont permis de développer des pratiques et des outils permettant une exploitation du jeu d'échecs dans un cadre scolaire et/ou périscolaire ;
Il a été convenu ce qui suit :
Article 1 - Objectifs
Par la présente convention le Ministère et la Fédération affirment leur volonté commune de favoriser le développement de la pratique du jeu d'échecs dans les écoles, les collèges et les lycées. Ils se donnent comme objectifs la mise en oeuvre de deux axes de travail privilégiés :
- le jeu d'échecs au service de l'égalité des chances, l'expérience montrant que la pratique des échecs peut constituer pour des élèves en difficulté scolaire une occasion privilégiée de se remotiver et de se remettre sur la voie de la réussite scolaire ;
- la dimension éducative du jeu d'échecs auprès du plus grand nombre, en favorisant la transférabilité des acquis entre les pratiques ludiques et les situations d'apprentissage.
Article 2 - Egalité des chances
Le Ministère et la Fédération conviennent de développer l'accès de la pratique des échecs auprès des publics scolaires qui en sont les plus éloignés pour des raisons sociales ou géographiques. Le partenariat portera en particulier sur des actions impliquant :
- les collèges " ambition réussite ", qui visent à offrir un cadre d'excellence à des publics scolaires confrontés aux plus grandes difficultés socio-économiques. La contribution de la Fédération consistera notamment en mise à disposition de matériel (ludique et/ou pédagogique), en actions de sensibilisation ou de formation organisées dans le cadre des établissements concernés, en appariements des collèges avec des clubs de proximité ou encore en parrainage de certains collèges par des joueurs de haut niveau recommandés par la Fédération.
- l'opération " Ecole ouverte ", qui accueille les jeunes dans les EPLE pendant les vacances scolaires pour leur proposer des activités de loisirs à visée éducative. Parce qu'il conjugue les dimensions ludique et formatrice, le jeu d'échecs correspond bien à l'esprit de ce dispositif qui contribue à modifier l'image de l'école auprès des jeunes.
- les dispositifs relais (classes et ateliers), qui accueillent temporairement des élèves en voie de décrochage ou de désocialisation. La pratique des échecs peut permettre à ces jeunes de reprendre goût à l'activité intellectuelle, tout en leur inculquant le respect des règles et de l'autre.
Article 3 - Action éducative
De façon plus générale, le Ministère et la Fédération conviennent d'encourager la connaissance et la pratique des échecs auprès du plus grand nombre. A ce titre, ils pourront notamment :
- développer la pratique des échecs dans le cadre des activités péri-scolaires au sein des internats scolaires, des clubs et des foyers socio-éducatifs, en partenariat avec les clubs locaux.
- mettre en place des actions de sensibilisation et/ou de formation dans les écoles et les établissements volontaires, en rapprochant les équipes éducatives et les clubs selon des modalités à préciser entre les partenaires concernés : enseignement et pratique dans le temps scolaire ou périscolaire, projets thématiques fédérateurs s'appuyant sur les dispositifs transversaux, opérations d'information et d'animation, tournois scolaires à l'échelle d'une ville ou d'un bassin, etc.
- développer des ressources en co-édition, en lien avec le réseau des CRDP et des CDDP (sites Internet de jeu pour les écoles, dépliants de présentation, outils pédagogiques, etc.).
Article 4 - Contribution des partenaires
La Fédération française des échecs s'engage à apporter aux écoles, collèges et lycées qui en font la demande une aide en matériel ou en ressources diverses (publications, outils pédagogiques etc.). Dans le cas d'actions spécifiques conduites au sein des établissements dans les temps scolaire ou périscolaire, les cadres qualifiés de la Fédération ou de ses organes déconcentrés devront avoir reçu un accord préalable du Ministère et/ou de ses services déconcentrés ; ils pourront apporter des aides techniques ponctuelles auprès des enseignants qui en feront la demande après avoir pris l'avis des corps d'inspection.
De son côté, le Ministère s'engage à diffuser, par le biais de son réseau de communication et de diffusion ainsi que par l'intermédiaire de ses services déconcentrés, l'information nécessaire à la mise en oeuvre de ce partenariat.
Article 5 - Communication
L'application du présent accord-cadre peut donner lieu à des déclarations et communications aux médias par chacun des partenaires, lesquels conviennent de se concerter préalablement.
Article 6 - Mise en oeuvre et suivi
Les partenaires conviennent de se réunir au moins une fois par an pour examiner les conditions de mise en œuvre de l'accord-cadre et dresser un état des lieux des actions entreprises sur la période de l'année écoulée.
Article 7 - Durée
La présente convention est signée pour une durée de trois ans à compter de la date de la signature. A l'issue de ces trois années un bilan global permettra de faire le point sur l'évolution des pratiques à l'école, au collège et au lycée et d'étudier sur cette base les termes du renouvellement de la convention. Elle peut être résiliée par l'une ou l'autre des parties, à l'expiration d'un délai de trois mois suivant l'envoi d'une lettre recommandée avec accusé de réception valant mise en demeure.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-17 13:41:03)
Tablebases 7 pieces
I've read that Nalimov ending tablebases 7-pieces should be completed in 2012 ...
Quite impressive, it should enlighten many interesting endgames.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-17 18:07:31)
Gameknot vs. FICGS, other challenges
It seems GameKnot leads 5-4 in the games played here... Not bad :)
Any news about the games played at GameKnot ?
It could be interesting to discuss about other team challenges... A team tournament, matches against other servers or forums (which ones ?), maybe at different time controls or playing chess variants (chess 960) or other games (could be fun to play chess & Go, poker or anything against the same players).. with or without computer assistance and so on... It should be easier to build teams now thanks to the chat bar.
It seems there was no problem of cheating with chess engines during the match against GameKnot, that's encouraging to organize other ones.
Tom Hodges (2007-02-17 19:02:17)
Go features
Most servers have a button for
Send and Go To Next Game
Can this be added here?
Also for Go games it is vital to display the # of prisoners taken. A game may go up to 300 moves and the score may be within a few points. Since the server doesnt do a fimal score, we need to see the # of prisoners.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-17 20:01:13)
Go features
Hello Tom.
Did you try the 'next' link after you sent a move ?
About the prisoners, as we use Chinese counting, it seems to me the number of prisoners is not really important. What about the Go scorer ? .. - click the 'score' link before to play your move... Thanks for feedback.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-02-18 15:19:22)
:-)
If I am the Marc you are referring too, why not ...
Don't be fooled : I like human chess too (I was in the 2050-2100 range for years OTB a long long time ago).
Although I doubt I would like it much I suppose I could still play decent correspondence games without comp assistance ...
And be sure : if I went to enter a non-computer event I would follow the rules !
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-18 19:14:30)
ICCF champions league
Hello to all.
While looking for interesting challenges that could take place here at FICGS (ie. simultaneous games at standard time control by a FIDE / ICCF IM-GM, or team challenges against other servers), Valer Eugen Demian (ICCF) suggested we build a team that could play in the next ICCF champions league... If we can build a team, why not ?
Rules of the event (taking place on ICCF server) are here :
http://tables.iccf.com/email/ChLeague/2004/season1faq.htm
What do you think ? .. Did anyone play this tournament already ?
Miguel Pires (2007-02-19 02:22:41)
ICCF champions league
Yes i aggree with Dienish. Please create the time Thibault
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-02-21 18:51:49)
standing suggestion
the thing i try to explain is the follow:
if you are the last player that enter in a tournament, your name in the standing is the last, also if you win or for example arrive third.
Now the question is:
is possible to see the tournament standing with the leader in the first position of the standing, the player who arrived second in the second place of the standing, etc etc?
for example, if you see FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_C__000001, the winner is in the last position of the standing.
Is possible to see this standing with this order?:
Unger 5.5/6
Muller 4.5/6
Holes 4/6
Ghisi 3/6
Baron 2/6
Guralivu 1/6
Rattay 1/6
sorry for my bad english and thanks thibault for your time :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-22 17:34:01)
Zap! Chess Zanzibar
Nice results for Zap!Chess Zanzibar chess engine, that now appears 2nd (Rybka 1st, of course) on all CEGT (Chess Engines Grand Tournament) rating lists.
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn
Definitely, that's a pity Anthony Cozzie can't give more time to computer chess.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-02-23 10:15:35)
Re:
Nicola,
Thanks for the update. Yes, this particular Morelia-Linares tourney seems to be the most interesting tourney amongst SuperGMs we have witnessed for quite some time.
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-02-23 13:19:20)
kasparov
In my opinion the best kasparov certainly could win all tournaments (also Morelia-Linares 2007) without any preparation
he is the best chess player of all time
he is the game of chess! :-D
Dinesh De Silva (2007-02-23 13:28:31)
Re:
Nicola,
I bet Kasparov will see your comments and will be mighty pleased! Who knows, he just might even give you some free chess lessons. One thing is certain., Kasparov will NOT give Vladimir Putin of Russia any free chess lessons. Haha!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-23 23:26:21)
Kasparov, Karpov, Fischer
Impossible to choose between Kasparov, Karpov and Fischer.
Three champions who completely dominated their chess world......
It won't happen again, I'm afraid.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-02-24 00:12:00)
Carlsen vs. Topalov
Black to move (of course).
Chessbase : "In fact Carlsen shows the horrified former world champion the defence immediately after he had resigned"
Horrified, at least...
Marc Lacrosse (2007-02-24 21:22:11)
not so simple ...
"I think Kasparov is the best for his aggressivity, Capablanca for his semplicity, and Alechine for his tattics."
This is way too simple...
Remember Kasparov drawing game after game for recovering after Karpov led by 5-0 in their match ...
Capablanca's play was full of tactics (I would better say full of sophisticated ways to avoid tactics - which _is_ tactics at a supreme degree).
Alekhine's tactics were most of the time allowed by too weak opposition. Among great tactical geniuses far stronger than Alekhine in this field I would cite Bronstein, Tal, Spassky, Nezmetdinov, Fischer, Shirov, Kasparov, Topalov ...
But there are also :
- Positional geniuses : Morphy, Capablanca, Botvinnik, Petrosian, and an entire class above them all Karpov, Ivanchuk, Kramnik.
- Opening prep geniuses : Botvinnik, Fischer, Kasparov
- Endgame geniuses : Rubinstein, Karpov, Korchnoi...
Well a difficult question because all top class players had several masterpieces in any of these fields ...
Dinesh De Silva (2007-02-27 06:46:46)
Re:
Haha! I just had to play that joke on you! Wordplay is such good fun sometimes.
Ovidiu Baron (2007-03-01 16:12:17)
Big chess. An idea!
Interesting game, but I think the Big chess has a small(?) problem, the 16 squares on the vertical. It takes too much time to bring the pawns into the game, and the risk is that they will not participate at the "battle" at all. Wouldn't be more efficient to reduce the vertical lines a little bit, maybe not to 8 squares, because of the central knights positioning, but to 10 or 12?
Kim Peters (2007-03-02 01:21:37)
greatest chess players
here is a great article i found on chessbase. everyone is free to draw their own conclusions but the authors make a strong argument.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3455
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-02 11:57:24)
Big chess. An idea
I saw another chess variant with about 16 squares on the horizontal and 8 lines on the vertical... I don't feel it's interesting enough... A kind of "double-chessboard". But you're right, pawns won't participate in the opening battle... What's interesting IMO is the many ways the middle game could happen :)
Now I'm discussing "theory" with some of my opponents.. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-03 13:32:43)
FIDE world championship, Mexico
Here is the decision of the FIDE President (Kirsan Ilyumzhinov) in respect of the World Chess Championship cycle :
http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1277
Now if Kramnik wins in Mexico, Topalov will play his match against him... But if Kramnik loses his title, he (Kramnik) will play a match against the winner.
Conclusion : Topalov will support Kramnik in Mexico :)
Kim Peters (2007-03-03 13:41:34)
Suggestion : Analysis board
forgive me if this has been mentioned before but i think the one thing this site is missing, and the one thing that would take it from being a very nice site to a GREAT one is an analysis board.
one of the advantages CC has over OTB chess is the ability to move the pieces around and see how a position will play out 5,6 10 moves down the line. yes we have the "review" board, which is nice to see where you've been but we need something to see also where we are going.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-03 13:53:36)
Analysis board
That's a fine suggestion. The problem is the whole site (also the chessboard) is implemented in HTML, not Java / Javascript. Such an analysis board would be quite slow, loading a page for each move... Anyway I'll think about it.
Samy Ould Ahmed (2007-03-03 19:40:48)
5th Freestyle tournament
I'm playing in this tournament in the chessbase server, very difficult tournament with a fast time controle 1h+15 for the game.
After 4 rounds I scored 2 points.
5th round at 8 p.m. today.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-04 12:34:09)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments
A hard one for sure... It looks like Advanced Chess more. As for me, I can't play it because of my internet connection :(
Anyway that's interesting, feel free to tell us about the results and your impressions !
Samy Ould Ahmed (2007-03-04 12:45:47)
My im impressions in french :)
Après deux jours de combat et 5 rondes voila mon parcours :
Ronde 1 : avec les blancs je prends un pérpétuel assez rapidement après un sacrifice spéculatif.
Ronde 2 : avec les noirs je vérouille la position pour arracher une nulle dificile.
Ronde 3 : avec les blancs je massacre mon adversaire en 30 coups face à une sicilienne roques opposés.
Ronde 4 : je joue la française avec les noirs pour avoir une position fermée, et je fait l'érreur de l'ouvrir, je me fait tout simplement massacrer, superbe partie.
Ronde 5 : je joue encore les noirs, le cauchemar continue, je joue e5 sur e4 et une grande variante théorique, mon adversaire prends l'avantage petit à petit, et je me fait nettement dominer sans que je comprene comment à la fin...dur dur de jouer les noir en "advanced chess"
Samy Ould Ahmed (2007-03-04 12:47:22)
My im impressions in inglish :)
Playing with black pieces is really a nightmare for me in advanced chess lol
Jaimie Wilson (2007-03-04 16:49:00)
Ivanchuk
A shame that grandmaster Vassily was very low on time against Topalov. It really was a good game.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-05 10:19:11)
Playchess Freestyle Tournament
Thanks for info, Samy...
What a crosstable, no less than 17 players finishing with 5,5 / 8
Petr, I understand your frustration, anyway that's why I play correspondence chess only over the internet. Losing a game thanks to a connection lost or strange rules is not interesting much :/
Several remarks while looking at the final crosstable :
The winner uses Rybka 2.3 mp, the others too :) .. Rybka's author (Rajlich) scores 5 out of 8 (pos. 18)
With Rybka getting stronger and stronger at fast time controls, Advanced Chess will probably become Computer Chess and finally Rybka Chess very soon. 1 hour + 15 sec is no more interesting.
I recognize some famous 'names' used on the defunct KasparovChess.com, King Crusher (5 / 8), Deep Thunder (3,5 / 8)... Correspondence Chess GM Mikhail Umansky scores 2,5 / 8... and last but not least, french forums superstar Olivier Evan scores 2,5 / 7 :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-08 19:24:29)
Scheveningen Sicilian
I'll have a look at the position. 4. ...e6 is simply correct and a well known variation : Scheveningen Sicilian. 5.e5 ? is quite bad IMO :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Defence%2C_Scheveningen_Variation
http://www.ficgs.com/wikichess_1954.html
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-09 15:19:09)
Links to Wikichess
About the link to Wikichess in Wikipedia, it's important to notice that links containing /user_page.php (...) can't be seen by anyone but the one that put the link.
Links must be written this way : /wikichess_3670.html (just change the number)
Anyway I corrected it in Wikipedia ;)
Gavin Wilson (2007-03-10 00:24:36)
Kingston Defence
Thanks for correcting the Wikipedia link, Thibault.
I wouldn't claim that the Defence is 'fully' described yet on Wikichess. I am gradually documenting my Internet games with the Defence as I complete them.
The most critical line for Black is definitely 1.e4 e6 2.d4 f5 3.ef ef 4.Bd3 and it will need considerable exploration before I'm happy with Black's resulting positions.
Sadly I have mislaid my only copy of my own 1989 monograph, so I'm rebuilding the Defence partly from memory and partly from scratch.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-10 15:43:17)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments
Hi Elmer.
1h+15 is worth 1h10/40 moves... 2h/40 moves is the longest time control before correspondence chess (games that don't finish the same day it started) and I think it's long enough so that human can do something else than operate Rybka :)
About Silver/Gold Thematic game, if White/Black obtains much more than 50%, I'll change the opening until to find one that give about 50% chances. What do you think ? .. About this opening, I think chances are about 50%, I would play it with both colors :)
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-10 16:17:33)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments
1hour+15sec per player makes 2hours and 20 min for 40 moves overall which is significantly worse than 4hours for 40 moves overall, so I guess yes you are right (there is enough time to beat Rybka)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-10 16:49:12)
5. ...e6
You mean 5. ...e6 right ?
.. well that's a common move, simply not bad so without any annotation.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-10 16:54:39)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments
.. enough time to beat Rybka, I don't know, but enough time to bring a bit of human brain chess for sure :)
About another Platin (or whatever) category with 1000 EUR at stake, I'll see it later as it could bring some more difficulties regarding laws.
Phil Cook (2007-03-11 06:36:09)
Quote "Go"
To resign in a game of GO,then find your estimate was wrong!
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-11 10:40:27)
Playchess Freestyle Tournaments
I'm not that concerned about just bringing a bit of human brain into the game,
I'm most concerned about bringing a bit of human brain into the game
*successfully* :) i.e. for a start, real chances to beat operated Rybka at this time
control. Hope you are right, I am just rather being optimist on your
proposed time control.
--The 'money' prizes are now listed as Epoints not Euros, but what's the
equivalence between them?
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-11 10:43:49)
Anand virtually ranked #1
Maybe he's just started to overcome his I-can't-do-it-at-this-level syndrome
:)
-Chess world is full of UnderAchievers: players who can't become IMs,
IMs who can't become GMs, GMs who can't become WCs, WCs who can't
performe as such --and all that includes both me and you, dear reader lol
Pablo Schmid (2007-03-12 00:22:02)
Haha
Notice that giving a pawn in the starting position is not necessary a big disadvantage, depending of which pawn. For example I do it "everytime" with 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 (BDG) where after 4..exf3 5.Nxf3, it seems to be a "normal" position, but without the f pawn. And my claim is: White have a dynamical equality with best play against best play!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-12 15:31:09)
Major update : SSL encryption forms
Hello to all.
This is the last major update before money tournaments can start...
Now you can login through SSL encryption forms, meaning the best security to prevent hacking.
You should use SSL encryption forms only to browse the whole site with HTTPS, particularly if you wish to enter money tournaments later... It is also strongly recommended to change your password regularly (at least 8 characters, numbers & letters is best).
Thus you should always see HTTPS:// before the url after you login.
Feel free to follow this link for more advices about security & phishing :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#security
FICGS now uses SSL data encryption, hash functions and a bunch of other security features...
4 login forms is a lot but thus anyone can connect, even with browsers that doesn't support HTTPS and Javascript.
Also a few minor bug fixes and improvements, komi updated in .SGF files, reinforced hash functions, last connection date displayed in profile and so on...
All feedbacks are welcome :)
Dagh Nielsen (2007-03-12 03:20:43)
5th Freestyle tournament
Just a short comment on the use of computers in these Freestyle tournaments:
There are two groups of participants:
1) Pure engines (with a book).
2) A somewhat larger group of "centaurs" who play the moves themselves, and use computers to analyse the moves actively.
Please note first, that the engine names behind some of the nicks in the crosstable do not necessarily mean that that participant played as pure engine (it's just an irrelevant effect of the server software somehow, decided by whether the participant had an engine uploaded during registration).
In fact, only two of those 10 who made it to the final (after the playoffs Saturday) are playing as pure engines. All the rest played as centaurs, including Cato the Younger.
This was also the case in the 4th Freestyle tournament: Only two pure engines made it to the final.
However, the pure engines surely made up more than 20% of the starting fields. What is more, these engines are usually operated by engine-chess freaks who have very strong hardware (Hercules01, who made it to the final after the play-offs, is allegedly running a 16-core system).
So my conclusion is: Centaurs perform significantly better than pure engines still. Even at this relatively short time control.
In other words: The human aspect is very much alive and kicking in this kind of chess :-)
I can only recommend interested people to try it out next time. It really is quite a bit of fun!
PS. I was lucky to qualify for the final, playing with nick "Flying Saucers". Also in the final is Corr. GM Arno Nickel (=Ciron) and FIDE GM Yuri Solodovnichenko (2585) (=Engineer). Several finalists have not yet revealed their identities :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-13 00:37:20)
FIDE about time controls
This topic, very discussed in Correspondence Chess forums (see TCCMB), is also debated in FIDE. We may play games with 1 hour + 10 seconds time control in future open tournaments...
http://www.fide.com/news.asp?id=1288
Any opinion ?
Don Groves (2007-03-13 06:55:09)
Login timeout is sometimes too quick.
Hi Thibault -- I was just typing a long response to a Forum article and when I tried to preview what I had written, I got the dreaded "Try again" message. My login had apparently expired and when I logged in again, all my typing was gone! Is it possible to extend the period of inactivity before we are automatically logged out so this is less likely to happen?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-13 13:56:06)
Login timeout
Sorry about that, Don :/
It happened to me too.. but this is necessary.
Anyway, it happens one time, two times, maybe three times, but then one copy a long text before to send it :)
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-13 18:43:31)
Why isn't there a Chessbase forum?!
..any ideas?
The best I can think of is...they would definitely benefit from one..or maybe not -and that's why there isn't any ;)
Example, we could learn about CB freestyle tournaments impressions there, or about performance of programs, or about recommended books, DVDs, etc, oh well thanks God there are other forums ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-13 20:44:26)
:-)
... anyway you can ask me to delete a quote from you at any time.. (of course)
I very like this teddy bear story.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-13 20:53:51)
Correspondence Go rules
I read a post at GoDiscussions.com by a player who wondered how to tell his opponent he's lost... That's quite true some correspondence Go games may last (sometimes more than 50 moves) whereas the result is obvious, ie. when a very strong player beats a beginner who even doesn't really know why he's lost.
I was thinking about a rule to solve this problem but I couldn't find one good enough :/
Is it correct to ask his opponent to resign (according to a rule) or simply he's 'most probably' lost ?!
All ideas are welcome.. Thanks in advance !
Don Groves (2007-03-14 05:54:25)
Login timeout
You mean we should backup our work? This is too simple ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-14 11:57:07)
Login timeout
Yes, but the problem will remain if I add some time.. the difference is you'll lose longer posts :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-14 12:05:14)
Correspondence Go rules
Hmm, a problem is that when you call referee, the message is sent to your opponent too. This way, I would feel embarrassed to claim a win, in any game... Wouldn't you ? .. but maybe this is a solution, in this case I have to change the way calls to referee work.
Could other Go players react to this ? .. Thanks for your help.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-14 17:00:55)
Elections in France :-)
A small thread about politics (could be interesting), just curious about what people from the whole world see and hear about elections in France, that will start in about 40 days from now.....
The news that Jacques Chirac will not try to be re-elected has been relayed everywhere, but what about the election itself ?
One more time opinion polls could influence the way people will vote and create a surprise at the end of the first "round"...
So just curious, who did you hear about among them : Nicolas Sarkozy, Ségolène Royal, François Bayrou, Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marie-George Buffet, Dominique Voynet, Olivier Besancenot, Arlette Laguiller, José Bové, Philippe de Villiers, Nicolas Dupont-Aignant, Frédéric Nihous ?
And last but not least, any predictions ? :-)
Nick Burrows (2007-03-15 00:16:26)
quotationes
I think the different quotes popping up, enhance the site immeasureably. It's good that they are not all chess related, here are some more metaphysical offerings from my favourite film - 'Waking life'
"Life is a matter of a miracle that is collected over time by moments flabbergasted to be in each others presence."
“The quest is to be liberated from the negative, which is really our own will to nothingness…To say yes to one instant is to say yes to all of existence.”
"Whatever you do, don’t be bored. This is absolutely the most exciting time we could have possibly hoped to be alive. And things are just starting.”
Has anyone seen it?
Peace, nick burrows.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-15 00:54:30)
Waking life
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243017/
I did not hear about this film... Looks interesting. I added the last quote...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-15 13:59:35)
Lightning chess games
Hello to all.
A new update, you may have seen a new category in money tournaments :
Lightning (correspondence) chess games, time control 30 minutes + 1 minute / move
I think it's a quite interesting time control for chess, it should attract more advanced chess players (or simply strong computers).. Really faster than "blitz correspondence chess".
I updated the server so that it is really easier to play fastly in these games. When you send your move, a new option will appear next to (Flip) and (Next). The link (Wait) will redirect you to the viewer page that will be auto-refreshed every 10 seconds. When your opponent play his move, you'll be automatically redirected to the "move" page to play your move and a pop-up window will appear to warn you (if Javascript is activated)...
Read more about in Time rules - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#time
Money tournaments will start on April, 2
Nick Burrows (2007-03-15 20:01:14)
Rapid Money
My favoured time limt for money games would be a rapid - 30 days + 1 limit.
There is a big gap between game that can finish in 2/4 hours and ones that can take a year to complete!
Does this limit interest anybody else?
Don Groves (2007-03-15 22:52:56)
Adjudication in correspondence games
Yes, that is the situation we're talking about. It happens sometimes in games with beginners who just don't recognize the situation. At your level, I think you will never see it ;-)
Charlie Neil (2007-03-17 10:17:07)
Elections in France
Is it true that Jacques Chirac will face charges of corruption from the time he was Mayor of Paris after he steps down as President. The Head of State facing prosecution seems a bit bizarre. Also I believe that the week before the election there are no opinion poll findings released in case it may influence the voter.
Charlie Neil (2007-03-17 21:18:40)
FIDE time controls
OTB 1 hour plus 10 seconds a move. The Fischer time clock manufacturers will be happy with that.....and it makes my old turnier clock obsolete! I checked out the site and read about the candidate matches in June. Boris Spassky is on the appeals committee. I wonder how he will deal with the ridiculous acussations that no doubt will arise.
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-03-18 00:53:40)
FIDE time controls
In my opinion this time control is too fast...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-18 02:00:14)
FIDE time controls
I agree, actually this is "1h ko" with no loss on time... (less stress and more Fischer clocks, indeed)
That's a pity, I very like 2 hours / 40 moves. Maybe it's useless in some open tournaments, but in others the quality of the games will be affected undoubtly. I hope it will attract more new chess players, I suppose it is the main goal...
Nick Burrows (2007-03-18 19:41:58)
masked politicians?
This may well reinvigorate the whole of politics for as Oscar Wilde said;-
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-19 16:59:14)
Leader update inacurracy
Hello Sandor.
This list is updated about every 15 days, not in real time... It just has been updated ;)
Mladen Jankovic (2007-03-19 17:32:53)
timeout IS too quick
I find that the timeout is too quick for me in the course of normal surfing. Is it realy that neccesary to ask for the password so often.
Making local copies of long posts is an old wisdom useful for any forum (I usualy make do with a simple copy in the clipboard, but if you want safe use your text editor).
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-19 17:57:06)
Timeout
Yes, sorry.. This is a security issue. Too many people do not logout (true for all websites).
Nick Burrows (2007-03-19 20:05:47)
sun tzu
yeah funnily i was reading Phil Gordons little green book of poker today and he inserts a few quotes by sun-tzu.
'In war, then, your great object is victory, not lengthy campaigns.'
'To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.'
'Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.'
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-19 22:52:04)
Blokus
Do you know this fantastic game called Blokus ?
I play this game for several years, rules are very simple (like Go), quite easy to start, and I must say the variety of strategies makes it maybe even more interesting than Go. Intuition is very important too, computers are quite weak.
Just wondering if this game is known worldwide...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blokus
Nick Burrows (2007-03-21 01:20:27)
*Go to Pi*
The film Pi is about a mathmetician who is using chaos theory to find a pattern within the stock market. His obsession leads him to observe the mathematical structures underpinning the whole of nature - eg spiral shells.
He visits his old maths teacher. They play Go together. The teacher explains that the ancient chinese saw the Go board as representing the whole universe, and so Go is used as a metaphor to understand chaos theory.
Starting with a very simple set of rules structures of untold complexity can form, systems such as the weather are so complex that they appear to be 'chaotic' or random. Go shows us that although it is too complex to see a game to its end, or understand the whole structure, there is logic or order within the chaos. It is just beyond our humble human limitations to understand it fully.
Go and chess intrigue us because in revealing the hidden truth within a chaotic structure, we are understanding a wider truth of order behind ALL phenomenon in the universe. Peace.
Don Groves (2007-03-21 01:44:57)
Pi
Interesting questions in there, Nick. Does order exist within the chaos or does the rational part of our mind impose it so that we can think rationally? Is order inherent in the empty goban?
Don Groves (2007-03-21 02:24:38)
chaos and order
Yes, I'm familiar with chaos theory and fractals but are not these examples of how our rational minds (and our mathematics) impose order on whatever we see?
Nick Burrows (2007-03-21 03:30:05)
order
I believe life has meaning and that the universe follows an anthropic principle, in that it is within the nature of matter to organise itself and evolve into more complex structures. All forms of life are complex organised structures that have arisen out of 'chaos'. <tr> Our minds are the only tool we have to gain an understanding of these structural facts. So we can't seperate ourselves from the 'rational' to be truly objective, but we are here nonetheless.
Although if a tree falls when nobody is around, does it make a sound? Is there any reality outside of human consciousness?
<tr> which other games stimulate conversations such as this!?
Don Groves (2007-03-21 05:19:26)
chaos and order
Nick, no other game stimulates me to these thoughts and conversations but then I haven't played them all ;-)
Yes, the falling tree does make a sound in the absence of humans -- it may startle a deer for example. Clearly *we* can never know anything outside of human consciousness but to imply that nothing else can exist outside of our consciousness is a bit too anthropic for me ;-)
Nick Burrows (2007-03-21 05:51:48)
anthropomorphity..
I was attempting to illustrate that there actually is order/structure/reality that is external to human beings, that we can but glimpse at and partially understand through the medium of thought. Our only means to understand it is through thought, but that doesn't mean that what we are percieving isnt something real and of value.
a belief in no reality outside of human consciousness is a contrary viewpoint, and weakens the idea of an external reality. Too anthropic for me also. Apologies for my clumsy ramblings, just following the dialectic out loud. Bring on the games!!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-21 12:13:29)
Web
I don't know much about books, but here are some good internet places to start IMO :
http://www.godiscussions.com
http://www.jeudego.org (french)
Google search :
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.godiscussions.com%20books%20beginners
Lionel Vidal (2007-03-23 18:59:07)
Not too up-to-date article...
Computers are much better in chess now than in 1998 ( :-) or :-( ... hum maybe :-( for me...). I am not sure that a player, even J. Edwards (very good player and a good chess writer too!) could be sure anymore to CC-outplay an engine running 24h/day on a modern hardware platform. He might win, yes, but might only IMHO.
Nowadays, many CC players (most?) consider that using an engine is *not* cheating, and I am so sure that *most* sites, as said in the article, do prohibit such a use. At least it could be noted that the strongest players seem to play in ICCF (or maybe iecg ... and in FICGS of course :-)) where engines are allowed. (and this is good IMO, not per se but, as it is often recalled, because their ban could not be correctly enforced)
Anyway I am looking forward to reading the next article to use more effenciently chessbase :-)
Don Groves (2007-03-25 03:10:20)
A new computer Go era?
Eventually computers will be able to play Go on a 19x19 board as well as they can now play on a 9x9 board. It's just a matter of spending the time and money to build a powerful enough computer.
But, there's no reason why the Go board cannot grow larger. A larger board, say 23x23, wouldn't change the game much for humans but would astronomically increase the time required for expert computer play.
But again, if someone wants to spend the time and money, computers will eventually have the power to be the best Go players, just as in Chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-25 04:11:00)
Computer Go
I don't agree with that anymore, unfortunately. The more I play, the more I think Go can be learnt by computers, probably at a 2 or 3 dan level.. maybe more. Of course the speed of processors won't change it much. In my opinion programs playing Go will divide (some probably do it already) better their "thoughts" and the game in several parts, some of recognition [shapes, liberties..] and others of calculation [fights that are often reduced to a ~6x6 calculation, whatever the board size] to evaluate positions... So, the board size might be not so important in future and I don't think it will change their level much...
Lionel Vidal (2007-03-25 11:24:50)
Computer Go
While I agree that programming Go is much more a problem of algorithm than a hardware one, I think you underestimate the theorical difficulties.
First, a word on the alluded new approach (BTW the french edition of 'Pour la Science' has an article on this algorithm this month, but not very involved): it seems promising only because that program regularly beats other program using what we can call a traditional approach: tree exploration combined with pattern recognition and some clever splitted evaluation function. That is fine, but does not mean much for human, considering the poor level of all these programs.
AFAIY the very best program is said to be at low pro-dan level on a 9x9 (without any concrete real test match, that is with money at stakes... but let's suppose it is true). The problem to play on 19x19 is that the nature of the game dramatically changes: in short the tactics is more complicated and the once very basic strategy of 9x9 becomes overwhelming! There is still no known algorithm to tackle that problem. Such algorithm could exist of course, but don't hold your breath :-)
Now I am quite eager to read the tests and pubications on these researches :-)
The neural network approach is interresting but is more or less stalling (again AFAIY) in recent programs mainly because of a fundamental flaw: the tuning of the gap functions. In Backgammon, where this approach works very well, these functions are tuned by simulation: basically, the program plays many, many games against himself and in a way learns (that is tunes its network) depending on the results. As you may guess, this can not work in Go because of the complexity of the branch tree. So the problem is how to tune the network (and 'by hand' cannot be a soution, believe me, considering the number of nodes and the type of the functions being commonly used!)
Of course I simplified a lot and the maths behind these kind of algorithm are involved enough (and very interresting :-)) that someone may find new ideas that will revive one path or another. But my feeling is that the pros of go have nothing to fear for a long time...
You have to consider that the very best programs are not beaten, but crushed, by multi-dans amateurs, you know, the kind of player a top pro will beat at 5 stones while blitzing and at 9 stones if some money is at stakes :-)
Now I may be wrong, and I remember in the 80s many people saying the same thing for chess, and betting on the fact that a program could never beat a good player in at least 50 years :-)... but at that time, I did not agree :-)) mainly because the algorithms were more or less basically known already... the 80s hardware was a problem, but a technical and not theorical one...
Sorry for that too long reply... I can't believe I typed so much... that must be my new keyboard, and the fond memories of some past jobs ... :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-25 18:39:15)
Computer Go
Neural networks will be at most an "extra" or a small part of the solution for a good playing Go program IMO. I don't believe much in it until an artificial brain have the "power" of a human one and we're very far from it. But as in chess (and Rybka's coming), a lot of knowledge probably has to be implemented yet and algorithms to be improved before that. That's why I said it could probably reach a 2 or 3 dan level, which still looks a reasonable level (ok, only an assumption) :) ... Then, it should be much.. much harder.
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-26 11:29:35)
How Life imitates Go
..any takers?
From what you guys write it looks more promising than Life imitating Chess..
--for if Chess can be programmed, can Life ever be ? ;-)
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-26 11:47:37)
Oh dear
I've got nothing against chessbase, but as you can see, they go so low
quality that is impossible to ignore them ;)
The main thing from this article (ie shot in the foot) is that actually nobody learns anything
about how to use ChessBase in Correspondence Chess :)
All we got is a careful description of what is legal or illegal !?
It would be good if the second part is written by someone a bit more experienced
but as it seems there is no-one available there, at least the author could
benefit from reading some other CC forums (although judging by the "hope my
opponents are using engine(Fritz) assistance" which looks familiar to me ;), they
could be reading this one 8-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-26 14:58:25)
How Life Imitates Chess
Did you read this book by Kasparov, Elmer ? .. What do you think about ?
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-26 18:15:28)
How Life Imitates Chess
Has it been already published?
To start with, something tells me that the title should have been: How Chess
Imitates Life, as it is written by a chess player not a philosopher or
politician.
Not just because there is nothing bigger than life, but because we would be in
real trouble if we had to make use of chess methodology to find out how to
make the right decisions in life.
It can help, true, but no more than it did for Napoleon, for example ;)
(--Wellington would be turning in his grove trying to claim a Master Norm
for Waterloo ;)
I have real difficulties trying to grasp the link between chess and politics.
Was Churchill a chess Master? if that is so, then Bush and Blair must be
ELO 1200 ;-), and Garry must be declared Russian President ipso facto
Which French presidential candidate from your list plays chess?
Which one is considering learning some chess strategy?
Would they get more votes if they declare this intention?
-sort of getting into their rights minds and improving their decision making? Hey, Garry is missing some prospective customers here..8-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-26 18:59:43)
How Politics Imitates Chess
Garry Kasparov is probably not a philosopher, however it is not obvious to me that Chess Imitates Life, as (you said it) there's nothing bigger than life... Chess is a part of life. On the contrary, we could say life imitates chess because some decisions, sometimes, can be reduced (as far as possible) to chess strategies like reality can be reduced to science. The same, How Reality Imitates Science makes sense to me, whereas How Science Imitates Reality doesn't.
"How politics finally does not imitate Chess" by Garry Kasparov should be much more interesting :-) .. with a preface by Vladimir Putin : "How life doesn't imitate politics" :>
In France, the election sometimes makes me think to a.. more than chess, a Go game... I think Nicolas Sarkozy uses some chess(Go)-like strategies and knows openings/Joseki & tactics best. At least he may know very well the work of Arthur Schopenhauer : "The world as will and representation" & "L'art d'avoir toujours raison". In comparison, Ségolène Royal and other candidates seem to use faith and "religion". Anyway, the result should be quite the same as life doesn't imitate politics much nowadays :/
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-26 19:18:28)
imitate = model
..nice description of the candidates' campaign strategy, Thibault :-)
How Science model Reality, and How Chess model Life, does it make sense to you?
Hope so, since
the object to be imitated is Reality or Life, and the imitator must be smaller/lesser by definition. (other synonyms are: imitate = try to be similar to = tend to look like = model)
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-26 20:12:01)
The perfect title
As the title couldn't be more awefull, let's try to improve it:
"Decision Making: Invaluable Lessons Taken from Chess"
by G Kasparov
Instant best-seller.
Although the decisions of splitting from FIDE, creating a ghost
GM association, not defending the WC
in a proper Cycle, and....etc,etc..premature retirement, ..etc ..etc,
don't speak too well about the lessons, let's try and improve it:
"Decision Making: Invaluable Lessons Taken from Chess, With Emphasis
in What Not to Do"
by G Kasparov
A killer.
Lionel Vidal (2007-03-27 15:57:30)
Chess and Xiangqi
A very interresting article in Chesscafe (www.chesscafe.com) by K.Müller on some endgame similarities in chess and xiangqi.
Xiangqi is great chess game (one of the greatest, even if I am quite weak at it; and in any cases, by far the greatest chess game by the number of players :-)): in short time limits (standard is 20 minutes per players) you can't beat that game for a exciting tactical mélée... and then if both palyers survive, the endgame is full of subtilities...
BTW *all* K.Müller articles on that site are a must-read! :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-27 16:42:53)
Xiangqi
http://www.chesscafe.com/mueller/mueller.htm
I can't motivate myself to learn this game.. :/ .. rules are so strange, even less natural than chess !? Is it really played elsewhere than in China ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi
"As of 2005, the world's best human xiangqi players remain better than the world's best computer players. The game-tree complexity of xiangqi is approximately 10^150, so it is projected that a human top player will be defeated before 2010."
Lionel Vidal (2007-03-27 19:42:35)
Xiangqi
The fact that xiangqi is the most played game in china (much more played than Go!) is enough to make it the most played game in the world :-)
But apart from asian countries, you can find many players in the USA, and even in France, where the 2005 world championship was held!
Computers are quite good at xiangqi (the best program is french!) but not good enough yet for the very best players: the game-tree complexity of xiangqi is half way between chess and shogi, but the evaluation functions in xiangqi have specific problems (roughly speaking, the relative values of the pieces evolve much more than in chess during a game). Anyway I agree than in a few years, humans will probably loose in tournament time.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-28 04:11:59)
Class GM : 2500+ players needed
Hello to all.
Even if the number of very strong players should increase significantly during next months, it may be interesting to reduce the limitation for GM class tournaments from 2600 to 2500... It could return to 2600+ later if there are players enough of this level to fill such a waiting list.
Until this moment, players rated 2500+ are welcome for a bloody tournament :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-28 04:21:32)
100 games per player
With the last update, a new "limitation" appeared on the server : It is not possible anymore to enter a waiting list (but money tournament) if you have more than 100 running games...
Of course, a hundred games is enormous already, actually the aim is not to reduce the number of running games on the server but only to prevent some cases of massive forfeits. Also a few players asked to prevent them to enter too many tournaments at the same time... This site may be too addictive :)
Marc Lacrosse (2007-03-28 15:16:58)
Droppers kill the fun !
... And this tournament (M 007)is now finished with two additional aborted games through dropping out...
I congratulate the well-deserved winner of the tournament (Karsten Fyhn)
I am sure he must be a little frustrated like I am : both his final game and mine were very interesting ones for which we both got the full point through dropping-out of our opponents ...
This is not funny at all !
I hate analysing a game for months and seeing it aborted because my opponent withdraws without resigning and lets his clock runs for months without a single word of explanation
I suppose i cannot ask for banning such impolite persons ...
But one thing is clear for me : I don't wish to enroll any more in tournaments with droppers.
So for what regards myself either Thibault creates a new kind of tournaments into which former droppers are not allowed to suscribe or I stop playing here
A very disappointed player ...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-28 15:46:28)
Droppers
I feel that for at least 3 players in this tournament the problem is they had too many games at the same time ! (FICGS + IECG + ICCF ;))
What is strange is they all came back a few months later and registered for new tournaments. This is a real problem... The best answer to this in my opinion is rating that can decrease quite quickly, some will have to fight hard to enter a class M tournament again. In some cases of course there are personal reasons, it is hard to know and that's a pity to ban such players... :/
So it wasn't a good tournament, sorry about that. Still thinking about a new rule.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-03-28 19:32:07)
You change the rules or I leave :-)
A few comments in french (sorry : easyer for me)
Deux situations distinctes se produisent :
1. Quelqu'un a mal évalué et s'est engagé dans trop de parties, ou bien a un problème de santé, ou un changement de ses possibilités de loisirs. Il décide d'abandonner un tournoi, abandonne toutes ses parties, donne une petite explication à ses adversaires et bien sûr ne se réinscrit à rien dans l'immédiat. Désagréable mais bien sûr tout à fait admissible. La moindre des choses est qu'on lui interdise de s'inscrire à quoi que ce soit tant que ce qui reste de parties n'est pas terminé (ou abandonné) et que la prochaine réinscription se limite au départ à un seul tournoi qui devra être complètement terminé avant de pouvoir à nouveau cumuler plusieurs inscriptions simultanées.
2. Quelqu'un s'inscrit à de multiples tournois et s'arrête de jouer dans ceux où il est mal parti. Il ne prévient rien ni personne et laisse son temps s'écouler. Entretemps il s'inscrit à d'autres tournois et procède de même. De temps en temps il termine un tournoi si celui-ci parait mieux engagé. Ce joueur(?)-ci est simplement un parasite, un gâcheur de plaisir et un fausseur de résultats pour ceux qui le rencontrent. Mon opinion est sans appel : exclusion pure et simple de celui qui laisse s'éteindre des parties sans aucun commentaire tout en s'inscrivant à de nouveaux tournois. Je ne vois aucune justification possible à une telle attitude.
Je comprends que certains ne partagent pas cette opinion radicale
Quoiqu'il en soit, j'estime que le minimum exigible en faveur de ceux qui ont déjà été confronté à des "droppers" est de leur offrir un moyen de ne pas se trouver à nouveau confrontés aux mêmes parasites dans un autre tournoi.
Je m'explique : actuellement si je m'inscris dans un nouveau tournoi je n'ai aucune assurance quant à l'identité de ceux qui viendront s'inscrire après moi, et je risque à donc à nouveau d'être confronté à quelques-uns de ces personnages que je suis fermement décidé à ne plus rencontrer.
Je n'accepte pas cette perspective
Dès lors, tant qu'il n'y aura pas une modification de règlement qui me permettra d'éviter qu'un "dropper" connu s'inscrive dans un tournoi où je prendrai part, je ne jouerai plus sur FICGS.
Marc
PS Pour ma part, m'étant déjà engagé dans ce tournoi qui a complètement avorté et dans un tournoi master class ICCF, j'ai renoncé à ma qualification dans le championnat FICGS pour éviter de me trouver dans l'obligation éventuelle de renoncer à certaines parties. Le moins qu'on puisse dire est que l'attitude de certains ne me récompense pas vraiment de ma prudence ...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-28 23:08:55)
WikiGo
I can't get it... In order to analyze a particular "isolated" Go line with other people, the Problem section seems ok... No need to explore the whole tree online, softwares like Kombilo, Many Faces or SmartGo are dedicated to it, don't you think ?
The interest of Wikichess IMO is to give a 'complete' view for the beginning of a chess game. I can't imagine the same for Go :/
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 04:57:34)
:o)
Merci pour la plaidoirie détaillée :) ... Bon, je suppose que l'idée d'une pénalité restrictive sur les inscriptions est assez bonne, mais peut être insuffisante également. Une pénalité immédiate sur le classement (entrainant une chute de catégorie) pourrait être plus persuasive, j'y pense !
Voilà ce que j'ai pu observer pour ma part jusqu'ici :
Les classements de ces joueurs (notamment dans ton tournoi) baissent malgré tout suffisamment vite pour qu'ils ne puissent pas se réinscrire dans les mêmes catégories, c'est le cas pour 4 des joueurs de ce tournoi, passés sous la barre des 2200.
Certains parasites qui, en effet, volontairement ont tenté de s'inscrire dans un maximum de tournois et abandonner toutes leurs parties pour troubler les classements ont eu un effet minime, pour la simple raison que je les vois faire et mets fin à leurs parties avant les 10 coups pour la plupart, ce qui n'a que peu d'incidence au final. Certains jouent maintenant leurs parties jusqu'au bout, les autres sont partis.
La plus grande cause de forfait en proportion est la "simple visite", le joueur qui s'inscrit, joue quelques coups dans un tournoi puis disparait... La rançon de la simplicité d'inscription et de la gratuité, contre laquelle je ne peux pas grand chose. J'ai pensé à mettre en place un système de limite de nombre de parties progressif, mais je ne suis pas sûr encore que ce soit positif.
Au final, j'ai tout de même envie de croire que ce qui s'est passé dans ce tournoi (à ce niveau) restera exceptionnel... Mais je suis d'accord pour trouver une solution à ce problème, au moins de garantir de ne plus pouvoir rencontrer ces adversaires avant un bon moment.
La pénalité immédiate sur le classement me parait être la seule solution. Toute autre suggestion bienvenue...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 05:28:00)
Droppers : New rule
Hello to all.
I'm to add a new rule to minimize the effects of silent withdrawals & forfeits without an explanation. The aim is first to guarantee to players they will not play again with droppers before a while... Rule is : "Any player who forfeits (by resignation or silent withdrawal) his games without giving an explanation to referee in a rated chess tournament will get an instant rating penalty of 200 points."
Thus, players go at least one category down. Of course it could be easier to ban players for a while, but just trying to avoid this.
All comments and suggestions are welcome.
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-29 13:00:51)
Chess and politics
Look no further. Here it is.
The (Chess)Recipe for Success in Bussines and/or Politics
--------------------------------------
--(fortunately it had already been discovered)--
--------------------------------------
* Politics is a fairy tale of 1001 bad decisions.
* Bad decisions are all there, waiting to be made.
* Some part of a bad decision is always correct.
* The winner is the one who has made the next-to-last bad decision.
* Losses only prove that someone has erred in his decision.
* Moral victories do not count.
* To avoid losing a man, many a general has lost the war.
* It is always better to sacrifice your opponent's men.
* A threat is more powerful than its execution [the most violated rule]
* There is really only one big mistake - underestimating your opponent
[The next-most violated rule]
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-29 13:09:49)
Droppers: New rule
Unjustified resignations are equally disturbing (but not that common) so they deserve equal treatment in my opinion.
Silent withdrawers could be punished faster (quicker than 60 days) if time is doubled after 10, 20,..etc days.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 14:48:46)
Another try
Of course there's always a bad part to a rule : finding the way to go round it.. and of course only serial droppers will, so to divide it in 2 parts may be useless :/
Another try : "Any player who forfeits (by resignation or silent withdrawal) his games without giving an explanation to referee in a rated chess tournament could get a limited access to the server and couldn't enter waiting lists anymore during a period of 2 months, at the referee's discretion."
Thus, when a dropper returns (after the next rating calculation), his rating will probably prevent him to enter the same category of tournaments - which is the initial aim.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 17:53:03)
game 6909
There was great games following this opening in the past, I remember particularly one by Judit Polgar.
Ok, let's see.. 10. ...Ng8 then.. brr, this position is simply frightening, does it really need an explanation :) .. if 10.Nfd7 then 11.Qh5, 12.O-O-O actually there's no particular line to justify 10. ...d5 IMO, the attack simply looks so strong in other cases... At least it obviously deals with obvious weaknesses in Black's position by giving some air.
Any other try to explain this hard opening ? :)
Marc Lacrosse (2007-03-29 19:00:16)
Double RR tournaments ?
Seven players in a tournament is a good number
A larger number would lead to longer waiting time before a tournament actually begins.
But with such a small number of players being white or black against a given opponent may be decisive for tournament win.
So my suggestion : double round robin tournaments with a smaller number of players (five ?).
At five players, completing the full list of players is faster than for a seven-players single RR one and everybody plays 8 games with the advantage that no colour advantage/disadvantage exists against any opponent.
Your opinion ?
Charlie Neil (2007-03-29 19:32:56)
Double RR tournaments
I prefer single pairings. I know double pairings are the norm in postal clubs. 6 games with 6 others as opposed to 8 games with 4 people can make a difference. I'm sure the waiting time for tournaments to start will drop. But...... What about class tourneys being double paring 5 players and rapid tourneys being 7 players single pairing?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-29 19:51:24)
Double round-robin tournaments
Single round-robin tournaments with 7 players remains the very best option in my opinion. Shorter waiting time, more opponents... Playing White or Black against a particular opponent have consequences particularly in WCH tournaments, that is a choice but as there's no perfect system, the idea was to organize more cycles (about one every 6 months) for more chances. This way I'm convinced the best player will reach the final quite quickly :)
Double round robin tournaments with five players will be organized for special events (by the way this formula will not decrease the waiting time before a tournament starts... the more games in a tournament, the longer waiting time to begin another one, it doesn't depend on the number of players only)
Finally I think the idea of double round-robin tournaments with 5 players could be a good one for a new category, with a different time control (maybe longer ?!) .. What do you think ?
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-03-29 21:01:14)
Double round-robin tournaments
I think it is a good idea.
Playing 2 times against an opponent (whit White and Black) is more exiting, specially in WCH tournaments
Marc Lacrosse (2007-03-29 23:44:48)
Fast double RR at five players
"Finally I think the idea of double round-robin tournaments with 5 players could be a good one for a new category, with a different time control (maybe longer ?!) .. What do you think ?"
Or why not testing it with faster time controls (5 days initial + 1 day per move, maximum accumulated time 20 days) for example.
Sure I would immediately enroll for a 2200+ tournament on this basis.
:-)
Strongly limiting maximum accumulated time is also a project I would support wholeheartedly !
Anyone for a test ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-30 00:00:10)
Fast double RR at five players
My prediction for such tournaments : More droppers / silent withdrawals (what difference with losing on time then) after the 10 first moves... More unfair rating changes. This is no more correspondence chess IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-30 04:48:24)
Droppers: New Rule
Rules must stay as simple as possible.. not so easy. There will be a council, referees and moderators, but as far as I can easily referee all games played here, it means rules are quite good IMO... This new rule doesn't look so fuzzy to me : "Without an explanation", so if a game is obviously lost or if there's an advantage, that is an explanation and the game can't be considered as a forfeit. Anyway I just added ".. in an equal or winning position". By the way, there must be several games in the same cases, it should be quite easy to make the difference. Actually, there's only one player here I couldn't say if he's a dropper or not (even if he's conscious of that or not) :-)
Marc Lacrosse (2007-03-30 07:29:57)
why isn't it correspondence ?
"This is no more correspondence chess IMO"
Why so ?
I prefer few games where moves come quickly : I can keep them all in mind and I analyse them almost everyday
That's already the way I actually play : see the state of my clock at the end of my games :-)
At the opposite for what regards myself I feel terribly uncomfortable if I have more than 10-12 games running simultaneously and slowly: when I get a move it's like being in a new game because I cannot remind my former analyses (well they are written down but this is not the same)
Elmer Valderrama (2007-03-30 10:59:09)
Part 3 is out ..(yawn)...
Okey, Okey, guys, that's not
bad for an introduction of e-mail(?!) CC techniques for beginners..
But to be honest you shouldn't be wasting your time in this series
and start doing more useful things like implementing the XfccBasic client
protocol for correspondence
chess servers. Even the IECG server has not ruled out its
adoption later (hope you neither, Thibault ;).
But this must be done tout de suite, and the tooter the sweeter, as said. ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-30 17:17:32)
Correspondence Chess time controls
Correspondence Chess means quite long time controls, traditionnally... You must always have time to analyze well your moves. By the way, rated games with too different time controls would lead to quite strange ratings. 30 days + 1 day per move (60 days limit per move) is fast enough IMO.
I understand your feeling about the simulatneous games :) .. But faster time controls (longer than real-time chess, ie. money tournaments time controls) would lead to many forfeits, quite sure about it.
Charlie Neil (2007-03-30 21:13:10)
Time Controls
I think Marc has a point about a cummulative time limit in some time controls. in the class tournaments you could amass a huge ammount of time, if you were a fast player, and then use the clock and play really slowly and upset the rythym of your opponent. I like both time controls available, in Class and Rapid events, but if there is a demand for 5days +1day with a maximum of 20 days should we give it a try. as for drop-outs and silent withdrawals.....that's all in the game. (At least I get 1 point!) I am still dubious about double round robin tournaments but maybe you could try them in the Rapid events first. 5 player double pairings say every second tournament, and back to 7 player single pairing in the other......just a suggestion.
Don Groves (2007-03-30 23:11:57)
100 games per player
Charlie, you are talking to a person who spends 20 hours a day online, or so it seems on many days. You expect him to save you from too much time online? Surely you jest ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-03-30 23:23:32)
Time Controls
Reminder : There's also a rule that limit the accumulated time to 100 days !
I think rules and time controls are well balanced... Definitely, a faster time control would bring confusion, this is another game.
There will be (as a test) double round-robin tournaments for the forthcoming "biathlon" chess & Go tournament :)
Janos Helmer (2007-03-31 00:14:20)
Hello!
...Too addictive?
Of course it is too addictive(thx for that,Thibauld!), but more important is that we (or at least I!) like to live with that!
Best regards,
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-01 00:35:38)
WCH prize fund - EUR 30,000
Hello to all.
A great news ! .. This is now confirmed just before the start of money tournaments, a german bank joined FICGS to guarantee a prize fund that just increased from EUR 2,000 to EUR 30.000 for the winner of the 2nd FICGS chess world championship !
Ads for both current sponsors will be displayed permanently in a few days on the site, thanks again to them, it will give a new dimension to this chess competition for sure ! .. Still looking for a second sponsor for the FICGS world Go championship, at the moment a japanese firm offers a prize fund of $1,500
Best wishes and have good WCH games !
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-01 06:11:01)
EUR 30.000
Right, I forgot sometimes :) .. oops, 6 am. already :/
Marc Lacrosse (2007-04-01 21:44:34)
Quel intérêt ?
Une petite franchouillerie pour rester entre soi ?
Pourquoi se priver du plaisir de pouvoir communiquer au delà des limites de la francophonie ?
L'apport d'un forum c'est justement d'avoir le plus large éventail de sensibilités
Et pourquoi pas un espace réservé aux joueurs de go du sud-morbihan ?
Stephane Rouillard (2007-04-01 22:09:26)
Simplement
Tout le monde ne maitrise pas forcément très bien l'anglais, et qu'il peut être intéressant de pouvoir converser en français. Après j'oblige personne lol
Marc Lacrosse (2007-04-01 23:02:57)
Calimero
... et d'ailleurs pourquoi n'ai-je pas accès au chat français ?
... je les aime bien, moi, les joueurs de go du sud-morbihan ...
:-))))
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-02 21:52:55)
Anand number 1 !
Here is the FIDE elo, 2007 april list.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3771
1 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2786
2 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2772
3 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2772
4 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2762
5 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2759
6 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2757
7 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2747
8 Leko, Peter g HUN 2738
9 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2736
10 Adams, Michael g ENG 2734
11 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2733
12 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2729
13 Polgar, Judit g HUN 2727
14 Navara, David g CZE 2720
15 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2717
16 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2717
17 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2709
18 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2708
19 Kamsky, Gata g USA 2705
20 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2699
21 Akopian, Vladimir g ARM 2698
22 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2693
23 Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter g ROM 2693
24 Short, Nigel D g ENG 2691
25 Sasikiran, Krishnan g IND 2690
Nice to see a player like Morozevich at this level...
Nick Burrows (2007-04-03 12:08:26)
future champ?
Everytime i have checked touny results Dmitri Jakovenko seems to be first! nice to see him shoot up to no.18
Who do people see as the future champ?
I agree with Thibault that the WC domination we have seen with Kasparov et al is unlikely in the modern era. However it seems likely to be contested between Radjabov, Carlsen and Karjakin.
As it looks right now, Carlsen just seems to have that extra bit of sparkle to his genius...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-05 01:58:22)
Big Chess championship
Hello to all.
You may have seen in the chat bar the idea to organize a Big Chess championship at FICGS is in the air.
It could be interesting for several reasons, the first one of course is there's no engine to help players :) .. by the way, it may be really hard to program a good Big Chess engine, it should use some Go concepts combined to a powerful chess engine (with quite different parameters).
Now there are some questions :
- What rules for a Big Chess championship ?
- What about a Big Chess rating ?
In my opinion, there shouldn't be a Big Chess rating. That's a pity, but "simple" chess should remain the main rated game here. Actually, the nature of this game (and time control) makes me think it should remain a friendly game first. However there could a championship for fun...
About the rules for such a championship, it could look like the Go championship : A two-stages tournament, first stage would be a single round-robin tournament with the 7 players who won most Big Chess tournaments (will help to promote tournaments ;)), second stage would be a 6 games match against current champion (if the final score is a draw, the current champion will keep his title).
What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-05 04:22:32)
Go : Simultaneous games with handicap !
Hello to all Go players !
It could be interesting to organize simultaneous games by 1 kyu+ players with a stones handicap against weaker players... or another kind of hard & funny challenge, feel free to make a suggestion if you have ideas.
Any taker ? :) .. come in, more fun !
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-05 05:17:31)
Happy birthday FICGS :-)
FICGS started on 2006, April 5... Exactly one year ago !
How much work... I'm really happy how the server evolved, there's still a lot of work (actually there's always something to improve) but the main things are done, it is now really stable (no more major bugs) and it works "almost" by itself :)
Almost 10,000 games started this year, I predict much more for the next year ;)
Thanks to you all for enjoying it !
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2007-04-05 16:06:36)
BigChess Championship
Hello to all.
BigChess is a great game. No books, no engines, and no ratings!
A BigChess Championship is an excellent idea. I think that everyone should be able to take part in this tournament. And - if possible - it should start as soon as possible. If we must wait until 7 different players (not seven times Thibault :-) ) have won a tournament, then the Championship probably starts only in 2009.
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2007-04-05 18:10:22)
Re: Go: simultaneous games with handicap
Aren't all games a kind of simultaneous here?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-05 18:37:17)
Go : Games with handicap !
True ;-) .. but as this "tournament" would consist in one (or several) experimented player against many others, it's a bit different from regular tournaments, so I don't know how to name it... Also depends on the number of opponents.
Would you play this challenge ? :)
Phil Cook (2007-04-05 21:28:26)
Easter Holiday
last minute decision here,I'll be away for 1 week +/- 2 days,I've enough time to cover my time,so to players I'm playing @ GO,see you soon :o)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-06 00:56:30)
Easter Holiday
Have a nice time !
Don't worry, your opponents will wait for you ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-06 01:22:32)
Big Chess championship
Simple rules (1 win or lead = 1 point) have some clear advantages...
I have to think about it.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-06 04:50:07)
Rating calculation (algorithm update)
A small (but necessary) improvement in rating calculation algorithm for chess & Go : "In case of a loss or draw against a player rated more than 350 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 350"
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating
In example, if a player rated 2000 loses to a player - most probably a new player helped by a strong engine - rated 1400, the rating considered in calculation will be 1650. It should help to keep ratings more coherent.
All chess results since March 1st will be affected by this change. Next rating calculation will occur on May 1st.
You can see your future chess rating (calculated on the basis of your results since last rating calculation) by clicking on the magnifying glass in "Preferences", then "ELO".
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-06 05:00:13)
Automatic login
Hello to all.
Everyone probably noticed security improvements these months. To use the SSL left form when you login is recommended for maximum security.
However, you could prefer to login faster, in this case you may bookmark the link below (working only if you use the right form & save your username and password in a cookie) :
http://www.ficgs.com/index_identify.php
https://ficgs.com/index_identify.php (SSL)
No more need to click the login button this way...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-07 04:50:03)
Double RR Tournaments
It doesn't influence much the result in class tournaments IMO, it does in WCH tournaments only... Anyway single round-robin is more fun !
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-07 05:00:31)
Live games (demo)
Hello to all.
I need two chess players who would accept to play a demo game using the "blitz" time control : 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves.
The game would start today, 2007 April 7 at 16:00 (server clock), thanks to respond to this post if you're interested. Thus everyone will see the last server improvements that will appear with money games.. (that should start next week, a new delay :/)
Among the new features :
- Real time clocks
- Auto refresh for all & auto redirecting for the players
- Pop up windows to warn the players "it's your turn"
- Links for live games in comments on each page.
Thanks for your help !
Jason Repa (2007-04-07 05:57:23)
Double RR tournaments
I disagree. I think that it has a very significant influence on the result. If you get Whites against the stronger players and Blacks against the weaker ones, you are getting a big advantage over someone who is not. IMO, it greatly adds to the luck factor. I have the most fun from fair competitions where things are balanced.
Jason Repa (2007-04-07 06:44:52)
demo
I'm willing to try out the new "blitz" time control. Out of curiousity, are these games rated? And if so, are you going to have more than one tier of rating, or do all time controls count towards the same rating?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-07 13:17:00)
demo
Hi Jason, thanks for helping :)
No blitz/lightning games will be rated, ratings wouldn't be coherent if so. These time controls will be used for money games only.
At last there will be only 1 rating, the correspondence chess one.
Another taker for this demo game ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-07 18:52:59)
Lightning demo game
Finally it was a lightning (time control 30 min + 1 min / move) game.
A lot of thanks to Catalin for playing this nice game... another one with this funny thematic opening 1.Nf3 2.Ng1 3.Nf3 4.Ng1
All seems ok, but it would be better if the page isn't refreshed until the position change on the board. I'll make some improvements this way.
Jason Repa (2007-04-07 21:08:40)
demo
Sorry, I think our time zones are vastly different. I'll be online now for about the next 12 hours straight.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-08 00:00:20)
demo
No problem Jason :) .. I enjoyed playing this game. Maybe another time.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-09 03:25:04)
Your favourite Chess / Go movie ?
All in topic :) .. may be instructive, what's your favourite Chess & Go movies, at least movies where the game appears.
Mine is probably "La diagonale du fou" (Dangerous Moves) by Richard Dembo, with Michel Piccoli, Alexandre Arbatt, Liv Ullmann, Jean-Hugues Anglade & Michel Aumont... A great movie about a chess world championship that strangely looks like Karpov vs. Korchnoi.. or Fischer vs. Spassky, something between. Michel Piccoli is simply marvellous in this character :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Moves
About Go I remember "Pi" and "Hero"... I did not see the famous "Hikaru No Go". Any others ?
Don Groves (2007-04-09 04:33:46)
Chess movie
"Searching for Bobby Fischer" is about a young chess player. More info here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108065/
Mikhail Ruzin (2007-04-09 15:50:04)
Mikan no taikyoku
Ten years before the outbreak of the Second World War in Asia, a
Japanese Go master and his Chinese rival meet in China to play a
game of Go (loosely described as an Asian version of chess). It soon
becomes evident that the Chinese master's son is the most talented
player that the Japanese master has ever encountered, and he
convinces the boy's father to let him bring the child back to Japan
to train him as a professional Go player. Years pass, and as the
young Chinese master grows to maturity in Japan, the Japanese
invasion of China forces him to choose between his triumphant career
and his loyalty to his native country. His decision is complicated
by his marriage to the daughter of the Japanese master, with whom he
has produced a child. His choice will profoundly alter the lives of
two families. Their saga serves as a reflection of the tragic
relations between their two great countries, and the possibility of
reconciliation and healing.
Summary written by Simon Levy {levy (at) cs.brandeis.edu}
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-09 15:53:55)
Tatiana Kosintseva
Excellent performance so far by IM Tatiana Kosintseva, who leads Women's section of the 8th European Individual Championships by 6/6 ! .. In the Men's section, Volokitin, Jianu, Volkov, Moiseenko & Tkachiev lead with 5 points. Dmitry Jakovenko : 4,5 points.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-09 23:41:10)
Go / Weiqi : Enigma
While looking for other ways to optimize the server, I had an interesting question about Go, that may look more complex than at first sight :)
"Is it possible to repeat a position (at a particular move) without taking a stone or group (at this particular move) ?"
I submitted it in GoDiscussions forum, one member proved it is possible on a 2x2 board... then on 19x19
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27834
Mikhail Ruzin (2007-04-09 19:17:12)
Internet Go vs. Masters
Answer from Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info
Edwon Dimariel (France) wrote:
Hello,
Many French players on KGS have been wondering if the Tygem story is right.
Are you used to make "April Fishes" on April the 1st ? It's very common here, and these
results are hard to believe.
How much time did they have to play the games ?
Answer from Alexander Dinerchtein, the main editor:
It was not a joke. I attached some photos in pdf and the game record of Cho Hunhyun's defeat
with few comments.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-04-09 23:43:22)
Thematic tournaments suggestion
A small and hopefully interesting suggestion :
When we go to the list of running and/or finished thematic tournaments we just see "tournament 001", tournament 002" and so on.
It would be nice to have the start position (as a PGN line) immediately under each tournament title so as to see at a glance which opening was played.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-10 16:57:41)
Improvements
Once more, two chess players are welcome to play a demo game using the "lightning" time control : 30 minutes + 1 minute / move.
Thanks to respond here if you're interested.
Now the viewer page checks positions every 5 seconds for players, 10 sec. for observers WITHOUT refreshing itself until the position changed.
Thanks for your help !
Wayne Lowrance (2007-04-10 20:48:29)
Rating calculation (algorithm update)
I think I will never understand FICS rating system. I gave up long, long time ago.
Now it is changed again I guess. No matter, it is what it is. :) Thibault I will play, you and your server rate em.. heheheh
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-10 21:24:09)
Rating calculation (algorithm update)
:) ... the same about FICS / FICGS, obviously ;)
It was a minor change that affects a few unlikely results and actually everyone will benefit (if you meet ie. a new player with a low provisional rating) from that change. The aim is to make the ratings most coherent only.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-11 18:21:53)
Free Lightning chess ?
I suppose FICS (not FICGS :)) / ICC do it very well already. In my opinion, FICGS should stay a correspondence chess [meaning CC time controls] server first. Money blitz & lightning games will be offered to the players who look for more excitement only :) .. thus it should be a casual spectacle, and of course the way to help the server and to provide prizes for championships...
By the way, money games should start in the very next few days. (last step with french administration :))
Matt Lasley (2007-04-13 22:15:13)
Skip feature
Is there a skip feature?
When a move is entered on one game, it's great to hit "next" and move to the next game. Sometimes, I want to "skip" a game, and go to the next without making a move. So far it seems I must go back out to "games" and come back in to a different game.
tx-Matt
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-16 05:33:46)
Skip feature
That's a great idea, thanks :) .. I just implemented it, soon updated.
Scott Prestwood (2007-04-16 15:27:14)
skip
I usually have to go to messages to make sure I am attending the game with the greatest amount of time pressure. Would 'skip' go to the next game with the shortest amount of time left?
Scott Prestwood (2007-04-16 16:26:22)
correspondence simul
Lightning (correspondence) chess games are more like a 6 way simul, with the RR style tournaments here. Different, but I still prefer to have time to analyze.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-16 16:43:15)
correspondence simul
Actually, it won't be lightning 7-players tournaments, but 2 players 1 game matches. See chess money tournament waiting lists.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-16 16:49:18)
next / skip
(Next) & (Skip) go to the game where your opponent played most recently. In my opinion, it's easier to use "My games" to find the one with the most time pressure.
Graham Wyborn (2007-04-18 06:51:36)
Skip Feature - thank U
Could the (download) button be duplicated next to the new "skip" button. This would save the constant need to scroll / wheel down the page.
Also having pressed "send", why the need to press the "next" button.
Either go straight to the next game or make it part of the prefences so the choice is ours. Some sites do the later.
I am the web master on two sites (not related to games or chess), so I imagine the above could be done.
Keep up the good work Thibault, many thanks for a great site!
Achim Mueller (2007-04-21 09:39:24)
WCH Stage 1 rules
Hi all,
a few words regarding the rules for WCH Stage 1. As far as I know now one player (out of 7) qualifies for the 2nd stage. In case of having 2 or more players with the same points at the top the player with the highest rating will qualify.
This is already difficult enough for newbies (with lower raing) because their opponents will have an advantage of 0.5 points in these 6 games. It's getting nearly impossible if you play in a group, where three players lost all their games on time within 10 moves (so they didn't play a single game seriously).
You can't afford a single draw in the remaining three games then, because in reality you play a tournament with only four players, where at least one player has a nominell advantage of nearly 20%!
I for myself now decided not to play future tournaments having this exceptionell ruling. Sorry to say so, but I don't see a realistic chance of winning all three games in correspondence chess nowadays, but what is needed to have a chance.
Ciao
acepoint
Achim Mueller (2007-04-21 09:59:26)
One additional thought
Take this sample of group 12, where we actually play a tournament with 4 participants. A player with the nominell highest rating can easily play on draw (using todays computer programs) in the one or two important games.
You all probably know how difficult it is to win against such a blocking guy, no matter whether your "realistic" rating would be equal to his or 200 ELO points better.
Ciao
acepoint
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-21 10:08:48)
WCH Stage 1 rules
Hello Achim.
I understand, it may look really difficult at first sight, the ideas behind this are first to make cycles not too long in order to organize a new one every 6 months (so you have more chances), second to have best chances to find the very best players in the final stages - this is the aim of a championship IMO.
Anyway, that's right the fight is often between the 3 top-rated players in these groups. So the easiest way : To get a good rating first (at least you can win some points in these groups).
It could be great to organize another event (like a cup) with different rules. Waiting for more players :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-21 10:13:26)
One additional thought
Blocking for draw is a bit losing already, I don't think it's a good strategy :) .. It is not so easy to get a draw against a good correspondence chess player, even with an army of computer chess programs, so don't trust it too much IMO. There are still many wins at a 2400+ level.
Jason Repa (2007-04-21 10:35:27)
WCH Rules
Achim Mueller wrote: "In case of having 2 or more players with the same points at the top the player with the highest rating will qualify."
This is completely logical. The higher rated player will tend to be the stronger of the group, especially if he isn't outscored by the lower rated player, so it's obvious that if you have to choose between two that are equal in points, you take the one that is more likely to be stronger. Can you think of a better and more fair way to choose between the two?
Also, I disagree with your comments about how someone "can easily play on draw". This is completely wrong. Even with the Black pieces, games can be and are won all the time, even at the very highest level of chess. Top GM's constantly are winning with black, and what is arguably considered the top computer in the world "Hydra" was defeated more than once by a garden-variety GM who had the black pieces. Regardless of color and regardless of rating, chess is a game of skill and if you need a win against a certain opponent, the onus is on you to draw on all of your resources, including choosing the type of oppening that will not lend itself to an easy draw. A weak player who doesn't understand these concepts will have no chance in subsequent rounds in a tournament anyway and shouldn't worry about advancing.
My experience is proof also. I had the black pieces against a significantly higher rated opponent in my WCH group and I beat him to secure my advancement.
Achim Mueller (2007-04-21 14:50:38)
Some answers
1) If the "higher rating" rule is best practise, as some players here do state, why isn't it used at _any_ FIDE tournaments? They have everything from SB, direct result, more wins, more wins with black pieces, but never ever used rating.
2) Even if it may not that easy to play for a draw ... I guess besides the fact that you get half a point as a gift it's also undoubtfull an advantage at least in correspondence chess to _know_ that a draw will help you, if you are the better rated player.
And this is definitely true in a tournament with only 4 players where there is only one qualifier.
Nonetheless you have all the right to use every rule you like. And as long as a player participates he "accepts" theses rules. That's what I also do, though I didn't know before that we are only 4 players and though I wasn't aware of this certain rule before.
But I also have all the rights to make future decisions regarding playing a qualifier here depending on the rules.
Ciao
acepoint
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-21 19:46:04)
Rules
Why FIDE didn't use such rules... Interesting question : IMO because OTB (over the board) chess is simply so different ! .. It is quite logical to use SB in open tournaments because it helps the player who is probably best "at this particular moment", meaning the best player of the event. In correspondence chess, it is quite different, I think using SB makes less sense here.
About draws, I think there's a real trap :) .. A player who thinks 'I must draw' will have difficulties against a good CC player IMO. And you probably noticed the players ratings in 7-players groups.. Even if all players fight, in most groups only 2 or 3 players probably really hope to win the tournament, the others have (at least) an opportunity to play stronger players and win some points... And you may be right (Don), 11 players groups may be more interesting. Maybe the next one...
Achim Mueller (2007-04-22 00:42:15)
Some more answers ;-)
@Don Burden
Full ack! If the rules stay as they are now it definitely makes sense to have groups of 11 or 13 players with e.g. 2 qualifiers.
@Mikhail Ruzin
Believe it or not, I would have been glad to play in group 02! There are seven "life" players and I bet a score of 4.5 or maybe even 4 points may be enough to qualify. In group 12 it's only 4 life players, and a result of 5 points (maybe 5.5 points) won't be enough for one player. There are only two remaining games, and all three strong life players have 4.5(one game to play), 4.5(1) and 4(2).
In this special situation exactly three games will decide who will quailify if you take a deeper look at the results and the contents of the games.
@Thibault
I never said it's easy for a 2300 ELO player if he plays for a draw only. But it's a big advantage for a player in a region between 2200 and 2500 if is aware that a draw will have the same quality as a victory against a certain competitor. Take a look at the world class cc players. There is a ~70% draw rate in the big tournaments, so the probability will be more than 70% if a player seriously tries to force a draw by choosing a certain opening and avoiding complicated variations.
Ciao
acepoint
Mikhail Ruzin (2007-04-22 10:40:23)
Answer
@Achim Mueller
In 02 group exactly ONE game will decide who will quailify if you take a DEEPER look at the results and the contents of the games.
Achim Mueller (2007-04-22 11:22:27)
Group 2
Why one game? the leaders have 1/6 yet.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-04-22 11:59:10)
win against Anand :-)
Yesterday world number one Vishy Anand played a 90-minute simul against 19 opponents on ICC to raise funds for his favorite charity in India.
I had bought a seat and intended to play an unorthodox opening if possible.
I happened to be lucky enough to get the opportunity to play my favorite Basman-Sale sicilian defence...
... and I won !
In the very next days I will publish the game with a few comments on my site at chessbazaar.mlweb.info
This is the most beautiful day of my chess life :-)
Marc
the game :
[Event "ICC 90 5 u"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2007.04.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Anand"]
[Black "Bluesette"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2786"]
[BlackElo "2155"]
[Opening "Sicilian defense"]
[ECO "B41"]
[NIC "SI.41"]
[Time "12:04:06"]
[TimeControl "5400+5"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nb3 Bb6 6. Nc3 Ne7 7. Bf4 d5 8.
exd5 Nxd5 9. Nxd5 exd5 10. Bb5+ Nc6 11. O-O O-O 12. c3 Bf5 13. Qd2 a6 14.
Bxc6 bxc6 15. Be3 Bc7 16. Bf4 Bb6 17. Rfe1 Qf6 18. Be5 Qg6 19. Qf4 Be4 20.
Qg3 Rfe8 21. Bd4 Bc7 22. Qxg6 Bxg6 23. Nc5 a5 24. b3 Bf5 25. f3 h5 26. g3 f6
27. Kf2 Kf7 28. Na4 g5 29. Rxe8 Rxe8 30. Bb6 Bxb6+ 31. Nxb6 Rb8 32. Na4 Rb5
33. Rd1 Be6 34. Ke3 c5 35. Kd2 c4 36. bxc4 dxc4 37. Kc1 Rf5 38. Rf1 Re5 39.
Rf2 Re3 40. f4 gxf4 41. Rxf4 Re1+ 42. Kb2 Re2+ 43. Ka3 Rxh2 44. Nc5 Bg4 45.
Ne4 f5 46. Rf2 Rxf2 47. Nxf2 Kf6 48. Ka4 Kg5 49. Kxa5 f4 50. gxf4+ Kxf4
{White resigns}
0-1
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-22 12:32:08)
win against Anand :-)
Great & congrats ! :) .. such a thing does not happen every day. It's a real honor to beat a top class player, even in a simul - and with Black. (would have been even more pleasant in "real life" for sure)
Do you still play some FIDE events / tournaments, Marc ?
Achim Mueller (2007-04-22 18:10:20)
I still don't see the point
Regarding the rating as a decision maker I have one questions: Who showed the better performance if two players have the same number of points at the end? The player with the higher or the player with the lower rating?
@Mikhail Ruzin
I don't see what you mean.
Nick Burrows (2007-04-22 18:55:20)
bravo!
Well done Marc, i for one am impressed! Especially as Anand is such an effective quick player.
How deep did your theory go?
what was his final score? nick
Mikhail Ruzin (2007-04-22 19:30:22)
Answer
Yes, of course Wolfgang =)
@Achim Mueller DEEPER look at the results and the CONTENTS of the games.
Mikhail Ruzin (2007-04-22 19:39:29)
WCH Rules
If you stronger simply win the game.
Or increase you rating and get advantage. =)
Sorry, my english wery bad.
Achim Mueller (2007-04-22 23:55:20)
Final statement
Guys, I see that noone has a plausible answer. Doesn't matter. I only made the hopeless attempt to understand the logic of the rules and what is behind it. Don't mind. I'm probably too stupid for it.
See you at iccf or bdf.
Ciao
acepoint
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-23 01:05:39)
Performance / Rating
Achim, you just pointed it : "Regarding the rating as a decision maker I have one questions: Who showed the better performance if two players have the same number of points at the end? The player with the higher or the player with the lower rating?" .. of course the player with the lower rating :)
Once more, the aim of these rules is to find the very best player, NOT the best 'performer' in a group, tournament, match or whatever... ICCF & IECG do it well already and I thought this system could be more exciting. Maybe there could be some improvements in the rules yet, but the idea makes sense IMO. Does it really make sense to speak of performance in correspondence chess ? .. It makes sense in OTB chess because it reflects the level of players at a particular moment. But you can play a good CC tournament and a bad one at the same time...
Best wishes, Thibault
Nick Burrows (2007-04-23 01:50:31)
my 64 pence worth...
I must admit that i have always disliked the Fide WC rule. It seems to be there to protect the champion rather than creating a level playing field.
The fide WC is also played over 24 games rather than 5 in the groups here.
My humble opinion is that for the WC groups of 11/13 or double round robin, would be fairer and give the skillfull players more oportunity to demonstrate that skill.
It is quite likely that in a group of 5, with just 1 or 2 critical games - the better player could finish even and be eliminated. Fine for class groups, but surely the in a 'World Championships' its worth exploring a little extra detail to find the real deserving winner.
A healthy debate! No matter what, thankyou for the provision of such a great site :)
Jason Repa (2007-04-23 10:04:00)
Cheating Accusations
My advice is to take the accusations with a grain of salt. I'm a very good blitz/bullet player and years ago before I found out about ICC and Playchess.com I used to play at the crappy free sites such as yahoo and pogo. I would often be the strongest and highest rated player in the room and would get constantly accused of being a "prog". I would say take it as a compliment but these people are too stupid to understand what a good move or good technique is. They make the accusation based on successful results only.
As for your game with Anand. I think it's ridiculous to accuse you of program assistance. For starters, the game isn't very important. It's just an unrated simul game with no prize whatsoever. It seems to me you should have received some sort of award, not necessarily cash, but something chess related and of value. I understand it's for charity, but I can't see who in their right mind would pay money to play in a simul when there is no incentive to win. You might as well just write a check to send directly to the handicapped children of India.
When Chapters bookstore hired me to do a chess simul it was a fundraiser for our chess club. I didn't lose any games, but the sole person to merely draw me (28-0-1) in the 29 games I played received a free tournament entry ($30 value) to one of our local monthly events. I thought this was a great idea and had the benefit of bringing a new player into our club.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-23 15:22:49)
Computer use
You can't prove it, of course... I wouldn't say these accusations are totally ridiculous, it's hard to avoid it. Actually we have to accept the idea that there's a "probability" (even small) of cheating in such online events, nothing more... The fact is it's not important, so the result for Anand.. the main winner is the charity action :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-23 21:34:41)
Deep Fritz vs. Deep Junior
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3802
FIDE will organize a computer-computer 6-games match during the final days of the candidates match in june in Elista.
The "players" : Reigning computer chess world champion Deep Junior and 'reigning world champion' Deep Fritz. Time control : 75 min + 5 sec / move, the winner will get $60,000, the loser $40,000
This match brings a few questions : No particular comment on the choice of the engines, Rybka will wait for a win in a computer chess world championship... However I can't see a real interest for FIDE and for chess in such a match. I mean 6 games of rapid computer chess.. $100,000 !? Of course it will attract a few new players - to beat computers is an attractive challenge. But at least I hope Chessbase is the main sponsor :) .. does it mean a new Deep FRitz and Deep Junior version in june ? .. I hope that the games analyzed by Rybka 2.3 won't reveal the engines too poor.. :/ .. Finally what 'title' for the winner ?! ;)
Phil Cook (2007-04-25 06:03:35)
Virus
Bad news this end,got a little gremlin in my system,,I'll be outta action till Sunday 30 April 2007
All players I'm playing,Sorry unavoidable,I've enough time to carry me for that period,so wont take vacation.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-26 17:45:48)
Art and Science...
Sometimes, while filling the registration form, new players just say Hi!, recently one of them wrote : "I like correspondence chess because it is both art and science while chess is art only."
Quite true... I like this new quote, what do you think about it ? :)
Nick Burrows (2007-04-26 19:06:56)
art & sport
I agree with the emphasis on correspondance being a science for sure. However i would ammend it to chess as art & sport. the competitive element in o.t.b chess is a very important component of its appeal.
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-04-27 01:25:32)
Elo question...
I have a question...
I have now 1410 Elo points and at next elo refresh (1st May) I probably raise at 1576 Elo points.
Now there is a problem: I arrive at 1576 becouse I have won 5 game where after 15-20 moves my opponent's clock silently finish without any other moves and in 3 or 4 of this games my opponent was in a really good position.
The question is:
Is possible do not to calculate elo variation of this particular games?
I think it is a good idea to make an option that when I win a game by time, I can choose if this game will be calculate or not calculate in my elo variation...
I suggest this becouse I gain elo points from losing games and it is not fun :(
Sorry for my bad english... :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-27 03:09:26)
Elo calculation
Hello Nicola.
Elo calculation must be a clear and fair algorith as much as possible... These rules are statistically quite good IMO (and I suppose not many players will ask for less points ;)) because rating is quite dynamic (if your rating is really too high, you'll most probably quickly lose points until the next update) then most forfeits are done before the 10 first moves. In a way, you deserved these points because you played moves enough in these games, otherwise ie. what would happen if a player forfeits after 40 moves in a drawn or lost position ? .. Is the game unrated, rated as a win, a draw ? .. It would be unrated in some other places, that's not fair IMO. There are more complex cases. One thing most important is to make rating calculation 100% automatic (no human decision is a very asked 'feature'), this way there can't be any complaint about ratings as the future rating option makes it clear.
Best, Thibault
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-04-27 21:30:34)
Elo
Yes, I agree whit you Matt when you said "Ratings are a measure of history, not a measure of skill", IMO elo is only a statistic of our results...
Chess skill is more complex and it can't been explained only whit a number...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-29 23:48:55)
Google searches
Statistics are always instructive, often funny :)
Recently, a few new "magic" keywords appeared to attract Googlers on FICGS website... After 'Yahoo mail problems' and a bunch of other funny ones, it seems a new chess star is born on Google :) .. "Marc Lacrosse" or "Marc Lacrosse Anand ICC" appear many times a day... Another funny one "Rybka 2.3.1 free download" or "Rybka download free" : Dear friends, Rybka is not free for download here, I'm sorry ;)
Sandor Marton-Bardocz (2007-04-30 11:54:47)
WCH Stage 1 rules
Hi everyone!
Let me introduce my self :-) I'm the highest rated player in the Wch stage 1 group 12 "the blocking guy" how Achim described me...whatever that means..
1. there is no dead draw in my opinion likewise there is no absolute winning lines, openings in a chess game...And this is most true in our "centaur, human-engine tandem" era where lines are very "unstable" to say the least..so I
don't believe that one can play for a absolute draw without any risk..avoiding complicated variations...the variations complexity is very relativ...line can be "cristal clear" for one and most complicated for other..In my opinion high rates of draws among world class cc player isn't because they all play for draws ...It's a tendency..like it was in otb chess among super gm-s...not long ago...until the "no draw alowed" rules were aplied...i don't want to speculate why this happens..
2. If someone really want to win...then should play for a win ...no matter what regulations are applied for that particular tournament
3. I think that if someone might want to take a look to the game that I played against mister Deeb in the same tournament ...starting from the move 17 of mine...hardly can to argue that I wanted to play for draws just to achieve equal points to advance. I think that none of the engines can even "smell" the outcome of the game in that position after 17..d5!?...so...saying that nowdays it's easier to achieve draws because of engines....it's a little bit
exaggerated The plan started with the move 17 ...d5!? that I have played it was an absolute rejection of a drawish (by repetation) position...and it was played just because i wanted to ...play.. not to advance in a higher stage of the tournament or something...even though the final outcome ( just in my opinion! and this isn't an absolute true by far) is probably ...still a draw.
4. The regulations regarding the advance in the higher stages of the tournament..now this are definitly arguable!there are pro's and con's...and always be. We don't have plausible answers for this kind of issues...because it's is a subjectiv matter. I'm not convinced too that "higher rated player advance"is the right regulation..few examples...just look for example ...Kramnik - Leko WCH .
a. ..challenger and his fans can say.."hey he didn't beat him...why should remain WChampion?! He didn't proved that he is better!"
b. ..Wchampion and his fans can say.."hey u want my crown?! than beat me, and take it! draw isn't enough!"
The line of examples doesn't stops here ..i don't want to prolong this subject...No rule can satisfy both sides...polemics, flame are always present :-)
5. None can predict what will be the process in a group...If 2-3 or even 4 players changes they mind and doesn't
really play..that's it, and none can't do a thing about that ...maybe some sanctions later...i don't believe it will do any good anyway...
6. In the game betwen me and Achim...I don't think that I choosed a draw line...I think that I had the initiative but probably it wasn't enough for a win, Achim overforced it ....which isn't a bad thing but probably not with the plan he had preferred.
good day for everyone!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-30 14:05:46)
The meaning of Go for modern Russia
An interesting (as usual) article from IGN "Goama" newsletter - http://gogame.info
Alexander Rodin, the member of Go Federation
"The meaning of Go for modern Russia"
I'll try to state my thoughts about the meaning of the Go for modern Russia.
To begin with I suggested that we extrapolate Go models on the political and economical maps. These maps are very important as the spheres of social life, because the questions that are discussed at political and economical levels touch upon our lives, the lives of ordinary Russian citizens. In these spheres they continue the fierce struggle for life and death; in these spheres rivalry is especially keen and the made decisions define the vectors of our country development.
Let's imagine a situation if somebody inadequate came to power and set the totalitarian regime! Then all social "dissident" institution would start dying and so would do the Go Federation as a phenomenon which unifies people with independent thinking. Then it would be inevitable to start "hiding in basements" to keep the organization and set the secret addresses. Under conditions of modern Russia such kind of reasoning seems to be mostly fantastic than real. But if we look behind into our history we’ll remember that we have already had this phase of social development and know everything about it.
I am for that only "adequate" people, patriots, must hold power (I mean all its levels: federal, regional, local and busyness elite as well). These people must think independently and it would be just perfect if they were the people who both understand the very notion of strategy and use in their activity all the arsenal of strategic instruments and among them principles, stratagems and Go philosophy.
Someone can argue: "What are the patriots who set Japan draughts?" the heart of the problem is not in the fact that somebody sets draughts and even the Japan ones. The matter of fact is that there is a "pacific" model the centre of which is the idea of balance and peaceful division of the territory and influence. If someone of us can offer something better, so let him rule. In my opinion, it's the same as to rewrite the Bible or "The Treatise of Military Art" Soun Tsi.
The Go essence manifests in the state scale in the following aspects:
The first one is historical and cultural. The game has a great history and longstanding traditions. Go is no less than a civil game with the development of which hand by hand goes statehood making in many countries. Besides, it's followed by strengthening of spirituality and moral principles of society.
The second aspect is social. Go unifies people, sets friendly relationships between them. Through Go a man manifests quickly, through it s/he can see his/her reflection. Owing to "open spiritual fight" your adversary is likely to become your best friend without saying a word during a game.
The third aspect is pedagogical. Through Go they bring up the grown generations and form their active civil position. Like chess, Go forms and consolidates dynamical stereotypes showing in following behavioral models of people. Penetrating and consolidation happen imperceptibly when sleeping, during the junction of conscious and unconscious.
The fourth aspect is economical. Why are business people interested in Go? Because through the game model a man learns how to manage material and non-material resources. Via the game s/he realizes economical and management notions: market (territory), economical integration, SWOT-analysis (the analysis of weak and strong aspects) etc. Managers start realizing the importance of interconnection and interaction of structural subdivisions ensuring. These subdivisions shouldn't be isolated from each other. They should work time in time like a well-tuned tuning fork.
The fifth aspect is political. The idea of community in politics is as relevant as the idea of group of stones. When a group is weak there is always a possibility of dividing it and this is a sign for the whole group. When our country, being a federal union of equitable subjects, was going through its stage of making a number of subjects had a wish to use the weakness of this chain. So, in 1992 1994 for the first time after the collapsing of the USSR there appeared first separatist tendencies. E.Rossel, the governor of Sverdlovskaya region, A. Philipenko, the governor of HMAO, claimed about the possibility of Ural republic creation. The emissary of Chechen separatists Gokhar Dudaev proclaimed the independence of Chechen-Ingush republic. The detachment didn't happen but the country paid with blood for it. Nowadays we can see demonstration of political integration and isolation on the modern political world map. Take a strong unity of the European Union and states-outsiders: Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Iran.
In terms of remaining of the USA's striving for establishment of world hegemony (from V.V.Putin's speech at the recent Munich conference), Russia needs the processes of integration and consolidation with other countries aimed at its strengthening. The unified countries have a lot of dame.
Now we can observe the stronger split in the CIS as a consequence of energetic and territorial policy of Russia that uses economical instruments of pressure upon "unfriendly and opposing" countries. Is it good or not? It's more likely that it‘s bad. But there are some positive tendencies: the role of the EurAsEC as a community which's built not on the basis of "strange brotherhood" and the role of Russia in it are increasing. Go is an ideological and spiritual base making us related to the countries of Asia-Pacific region. Go teaches how to see and distinguish creative and destroying processes.
The sixth aspect is psychological. The game develops thinking, in particular such processes as analysis and synthesis. It develops the ability of seeing the whole board and its details, the ability of seeing processes proceeding at global and local levels.
The seventh aspect is verbal and lexical or even philosophical. Through studying of the game theory we realize such categories as life and death, territory and influence, reliability, stability, the whole and the parts etc.
So, what is the Go meaning on the country scale? I assume that Go, as philosophy (an ideological and spiritual base), is a very important instrument of upbringing of strategic leaders, those who make decisions at high economical and political levels that influence the country's fate. Because in Go the idea of peaceful co-existence shows the way to harmony. The most pleasant is the fact the "Go way" doesn't have an end and there sky's the limit.
Nick Burrows (2007-04-30 16:31:33)
T vs K - Cochrane Gambit
Heres the game Thibault!?
[Event "XVI Ciudad de Linares 99"]
[Site "Linares ESP"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "8"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "Veselin Topalov"]
[Black "Vladimir Kramnik"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2700"]
[BlackElo "2751"]
[PlyCount "62"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7 Kxf7 5. Nc3 c5 6. Bc4+
Be6 7. Bxe6+ Kxe6 8. d4 Kf7 9. dxc5 Nc6 10. Qe2 Qd7 11. Be3
dxc5 12. f4 Re8 13. e5 Ng4 14. Rd1 Qf5 15. O-O h5 16. Bc1 Nd4
17. Qc4+ Kg6 18. h3 Nh6 19. Nb5 a6 20. Nxd4 cxd4 21. Qxd4 Rc8
22. Qb6+ Kh7 23. Qxb7 Rxc2 24. Be3 Qg6 25. Rc1 Rxc1 26. Rxc1
Nf5 27. Bf2 h4 28. Rc7 Ng3 29. Kh2 Nf1+ 30. Kg1 Qb1 31. Bxh4
Bc5+ 1/2-1/2
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-04-30 17:32:08)
Rules and morals
Rules just have to be clear before a tournament starts – whether this rules are bad or good will be defined by the individual sight of everyone, so never mind because the rules are known and accepted by all members. Just a bad looser is searching his lost by the rules!
Another thing is the abuse of rules – you can play in accordance with the rules and nevertheless break moral fundamentals. I.e. definitely lost or drawn games (known by both opponents) will not finished (by resign or draw offer/accept) because of the hope that the opponent will have a heart attack before the time control is coming. Or taking care of your rating, it will be done in next rating period later on.
Perhaps it is purely a matter of taste!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-04-30 22:34:37)
WCH rules
Thanks Sandor & Wolfgang for sharing your views.
As you said, there's no perfect rule for everyone, particularly in a correspondence chess championship, where time is a predominant factor. As for me, I like much FICGS rules so far because of these major points :
1) The best players have the best chances.
2) A new cycle can start every 6 months.
3) There's no external influence in a knockout tournament.
I think the lowest rated player has to prove he's stronger than the highest rated player or champion, so it's coherent in round-robin and knockout tournaments. I particularly like the special rule in the knockout tournament (stage 1, 2 & 3). I'm now playing an exciting quarter final against Wolfgang, that I'm to lose because of this rule - the winner is the player with the strongest TER is all games are draw, the player with the lowest TER if not all games are draw - even if it finishes with a 4-4 score. Simply because I'll lose most probably at least one game. I think it's fair ! .. I knew the rule (of course, I made it :)), I knew I had to draw all games or to win by one point at least. Rules are the game ! .. It's not more unfair than to draw a game with one or two pawns more ;)
However I agree that WCH round-robin tournaments should be 9, 11 or 13 players groups to give more place to chess. I'll take care of this in the next cycle.
Finally, not only rules are to be taken in consideration... To attract players, there must be a real challenge ! .. To take the title to the champion will be really hard for sure :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-01 00:57:44)
Achim's answer
Achim Mueller asked to close his account, but he wanted to respond to Wolfgang & Sandor, here's his answer :
"A last clarification:
@Wolfgang Utesch:
I wasn't aware of the "ELO-prefering" rule and I still don't find it
here on the webpage. I opened a thread here in this forum and
besides "then win all your games" or "in this case we ensure that
the better player will qualify" there were no substantial arguments
for this pretty unused and unknown rule (not that I agree with these
two "arguments"!). Nonetheless I accepted the rule for this
tournament.
My decision to give up and leave this server is based on an easy
calculation how many games I have to play here to get a - what I
call - competitive rating that somehow equals the advantage, players
with a nominal rating of 2200 - 2500 will have in every tournament
where this rule exists. Because my time is limited my decision was
to leave the server, that's all. I don't complain, I don't take
anything as an excuse. It's simple as it is: I gave it a try here,
became aware of the rule and decided this is the wrong place for me,
ok?
@Sandor Marton-Bardocz :
I didn't say with any word that you are a blocking guy. This was a
_general_ thesis how the player with the best rating can take an
overwhelming advantage at this ruling. All good players (ask anyone
in the region of 2400up at remoteschach, dbf, iecg or iccf) will
confirm that it is most difficult to get 3.5 point out of 4 if at
least 2 players know how to use computers and choose certain
openings.
Finally ... ficgs is a nice place to play, the interface is good and
I assume Thibault put a lot of work into it. So, enjoy your games
here, but also accept that from time to time there might be
players that will leave because of certain issues.
Ciao
Achim"
Rules (and chess WCH rules) - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html
Thanks Achim. Best wishes & have good games :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-01 04:15:25)
Chinese thoughts championship :)
Always looking for new funny quotes, Don just told me this nice one : "Man with more than one clock never know what time it is" :>
Do you have your own chinese thoughts ? .. or do you know websites like this one :
http://www.chine-informations.com/mods/dossiers/index.php?lg=en&action=fiche&id=253
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-05-01 08:28:28)
Rules
@Achim: It is just your failure to start in a tournament without knowing the rules!
@Thibault: I think, in our match we need not the use of the special rule. :-)
A problem in corresponding game is, that rating is showing the right strongness seldom.
By the way, you should put the rules on the home page!
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-05-02 14:46:08)
Fun and competition
For me is correspondence chess just fun and competition. It is possible, that some of my played games may give others a feeling of art (in this case not in the meaning of artificial :-)), but this is just a result of a random process. A special science of correspondence chess (beside normal chess theory) can I see only in programming chess engines or in finding of Tablebases – both not my skills.
I love chess, but I’m too weak playing OTB chess on a high level, possible not by my fundamental understanding of chess positions but by my missing personal power of memory, computing (without computers) and nerves. So correspondence chess is ideal for me, because I can substitute my individual weaknesses by a computer und have no time stress to analyse the positions in all ways – artificial and human – to find out the most efficient chance.
Dan Rotaru (2007-05-03 00:32:46)
sb tie breaks
I believe that Garvin’s idea regarding the tie break makes sense. The higher rated player in a group is not always the best player, especially in correspondence chess where it takes time to achieve one’s real rating or players can get an established equal rating from ICCF or IECG. I also believe that games will be spectacular and exciting even with new rules. I played to win in both my games against the highest rated players in my group and wouldn’t have played different no matter the rules. In the end the rules are rules and equal for everybody so we must obey. However from the number of replies it seems that the topic is hot and maybe it is worth debating for the next WCH. I don’t want to play in the ICCF & IECG world championship tournaments because I enjoy FICGS too much :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-03 02:37:03)
Google
Wow, I'm impressed... Searching for 'chinese thoughts' in Google, this thread appears 2nd already !! .. That's a pity it's harder to be well ranked for 'chess' :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-03 21:24:27)
opponents
To implement chess knowledge is a question of time, I'm not sure it was a priority in the last Fritz/Junior versions. Rybka will have serious challengers in a few months, one year at most :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-07 14:32:34)
science,art and bluff
The environment is different but there's a lot of bluff in correspondence chess IMO, even if the number of draws is higher at 2400+ level. It is no more based on obvious mistakes but on apparent "weak" moves that actually can win ie. a long endgame, particularly moves that are completely missed by the best chess engines such as Rybka. This kind of moves happens often yet, fortunately.
Nicola Lupinacci (2007-05-08 00:23:00)
the beauty of chess...
One time a great player (I don't know who is) said:
"Chess is too simple to be considered a science, but too difficult to be considered a game"
Nick Burrows (2007-05-10 07:24:54)
surtees
He is a player from my home town rated about 2200. He plays many weird and wonderful openings that he's worked out himself (eg French 4 pawn gambit!?) should be some games on Chessbase...
Don Burden (2007-05-11 02:32:13)
Chinese thoughts
Confucius could give answer to that, unfortunately Confucius not here at moment.
Kindness in heart better than gold in bank.
Truth like football, receive many kicks before reaching goal.
Politeness golden key that open many doors.
Any powder that kills flea is good powder.
Knowledge only gained through curiousity.
Man without relatives is man without trouble.
Sleep only escape from yesterday.
Do not challenge supernatural unless armed with sword of truth.
To destroy false prophet must first unmask him before eyes of believers.
When fear attack brain, tongue wave distress signal.
Drop of plain water on thirsty tongue more precious than gold in purse.
Thought at present like dog chasing own tail, getting noplace.
When money talk, few are deaf.
Humility only defense against rightful blame.
Luck happy combination of foolish accidents.
Alibi have habit of disappearing like hole in water.
Good fisherman, like clever merchant, know lure of bright colors.
Man without enemies like dog without fleas.
Front seldom tell truth, to know occupant of house always look in backyard.
One small wind can raise much dust.
Caution sometimes mother of suspicion. Suspicion often father of truth.
Don Groves (2007-05-12 03:19:07)
Skip feature
Hi Thibault,
The skip feature is nice but it only skips the game one time. If there are 10 games waiting to be played, skip must be used many times if I want to leave that particular game until last. Is there a way to put the skipped game last in the list?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-12 15:44:08)
Money chess and Go tournaments
FICGS money chess & Go tournaments will be open today !
At last, after the next update (in a few hours) including legal informations (home page / rules) and the 'My account' page, the money chess & Go games can start.
Players interested are invited to read rules (updated) in its entirety, particularly 04. Entry fees, 05. Prize money, 06. Warranties, 07. Money transfer ...
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html
Feel free to discuss rules for entry fees and prizes in this thread, some points may have to be clarified yet. It's a long time I think about these rules to make them most interesting at the same time for the players and the server, according to french taxes & laws.
Of course, all free tournaments will remain free. As FICGS becomes a commercial server, the more players will enter money tournaments, the more ads on the internet so the more players :)
Time controls for money chess games & tournaments are 30 minutes + 1 minute / move (lightning), 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves (blitz), 30 days + 1 day / move (rapid), 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves (standard). Thematic chess money games will be played at blitz time control.
Time controls for money Go games & tournaments are 30 minutes + 1 minute / move (lightning) and 30 days + 1 day / move (standard).
Nick Burrows (2007-05-12 20:45:57)
money
Im not sure that i follow the formulas correctly.
If i enter a 2 player gold tourney for 100 e-points, and win. Do i recieve a 150euro cash prize and 47 e-points?
What are the alternative payment methods to moneybookers? as i dont have a credit card.
Cheers, nick.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-12 21:06:59)
Skip feature
Hmm.. so many ways to implement it. If you use it quite often, I suppose that "My games" page is a faster way to find the good game. (I'm lazy too :))
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-12 23:16:53)
rake
Actually, ie. for a Gold blitz game (chess) the rake is 3 E-Points for White and 0 E-Points for Black !
There are 2 different rakes, a one-time rake on money entry fees (or money prizes) and another one, much lower, on E-Points entry fees : If you play only one game (a win) and ask for a money prize, the rake is the money prize one, 25 Euros (let's call it 'money prize rake') but the more games you play before asking money prizes, so applying the E-Points rake, the more the global rake will tend to the 'E-Points rake' which is much lower.
"Money prizes have to be compared to E-Points prizes that are much higher : A win in a Gold blitz game is worth 197 E-Points, meaning the more games you play before to ask for a money prize, the less charged games are. In example, if you buy 3 Gold tickets (3 x 100 Euros), you'll get 300 E-Points, then you play 30 Gold blitz chess games (15 as White and 15 as Black) : 29 draws and 2 wins with White. Finally you have 300 - (30 x 100) + (15 x 100) + (13 x 97) + (2 x 197) = 455 E-Points. At the end, if you ask for a money prize for the last game you won, you'll get a 150 Euros money prize and your E-Points account will be 455 - 197 = 258 E-Points"
Quite complicate to visualize but as FICGS is not a casino, there's a normal value added tax on money entry fees in Europe (that's why money prizes for gold tournaments can't exceed 150 euros). This way, I think the rule is quite interesting for players who play at least 10 games... Trying to write it in a clearer way.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-05-13 12:44:12)
Finally!
Hi, Thibault!
Congratulations! ;)
I am interested in money thematic games. :)
I can play in evenings at 6 on clock (server time).
- Traxler counterattack with white (Nxf7 and Bxf7)
- Evans gambit with black
- Latvian gambit with white (I like Svedenborg very much :) )
I offer 30 EUR money stakes. If I win I get some money. If not, then money goes to my opponent.
Can I transfer 30 EUR to FICGS account in moneybookers.com?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-13 13:54:47)
Sveshnikov
Interesting line, indeed. I just entered a few moves in Wikichess, feel free to show us your lines after g4 :) .. Another great line is 11.Nxb5 !? IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-13 16:24:06)
M-Tel Masters in Sofia
Another hard start for Veselin Topalov, this time in M-Tel Masters, Sofia (Bulgaria)... After three rounds, the standings are :
1. Mamedyarov 2,5 / 3
2. Adams 2 / 3
3. Sasikiran 2 / 3
4. Nisipeanu 1,5 / 3
5. Topalov 0,5 / 3
6. Kamsky 0,5 / 3
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3854
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-05-13 18:36:17)
Thematic money games
I transfered money to FICGS account. Now I must wait only.
I can play every day at 18 o'clock. But not two days in row. :)
If I am in FICGS at that time it means that I want to play.
Does anyone want to play it?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-15 15:14:59)
Fighting against Tablebases
Hello Wolfgang, please remind me (here or in our games) the game you're talking about. Quite strange that shredderchess tablebases did not give the same result than yours.
Anyway, if your opponent does not have 6-pieces tablebases and his engines and instinct say +0,70, it may be hard for him to trust you :)
Best, Thibault
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-05-17 10:26:23)
Problem is solved
- time has run out.
With the great behavior of a real sportsman my opponent abandons to resign in a normal way. ;(
Further on I will abondon to play against him over again.
Robert Mueller (2007-05-20 10:19:40)
Opponent dragging out lost game
Hi, Is it possible to get a game adjudicated, if the opponent just does not resign. It is game #5664, where my opponent ist in a hopeless situation. We are already in the six men tablesbases and he is lost with check mate in 34 moves. From his original 100 days time he already used 57. He seems to be determined to drag this out as long as possible. Do I have to wait another 43 days for the win :(
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-20 14:25:05)
Opponent dragging out lost game
Hello Robert.
According to the rules, in a lost position your opponent has at most 1 month to finish the game after you called referee a first time (done). Feel free to ask for an adjudication in about one month, or at least before the next rating calculation.
Best wishes, Thibault.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-05-21 19:32:10)
Hi, Phil! :)
I agree.
My suggestion is to play our games in that order:
1- Petrov's defence (I vs You)
2- Petrov's defence (I vs You)
3- Traxler counterattack (I vs You)
4- Evans gambit (You vs Me)
Let me to guess...
You mean that Petrov's defence games will be money games and I must win. And all games will be lighting games.
Four lighting games in a row - it will take at least seven hours. I have so much time only in holidays - Saturday and Sunday.
And we need help of Thibault to organize Petrov's defence and Evans gambit games.
Phil Cook (2007-05-21 21:44:17)
Ilmars
1- Petrov's defence (I vs You)
2- Petrov's defence (You Vs I)
3- Traxler counterattack (I vs You)
4- Evans gambit (You vs Me)
See number 2,That makes 4 games?
unless
3- Traxler counterattack (You Vs I)
4- Evans gambit (I Vs You)
That makes 6,what time frames are we likely to be playing?
As for the money,I think we donate to Ficgs, that way our games are fun,what do you think Ilmars.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-05-21 22:20:10)
Ok.
Experience is good for me always. Even I don't get money.
I suggest play our games without any money stakes. I don't have enough money for donating. (Maybe after some years. :) )
As I understand, you want play all three openings by both side.
IMO Traxler counterattack is 1-0 and Evans gambit is 0-1. I don't wish play openings that I believe to be lost (with losing side).
Don Groves (2007-05-22 06:40:38)
Dragging out lost game
Just playing devil's advocate here:
If a forced mate can be demonstrated, should this be sufficient for a win? On the other hand, should the losing player have the right to play on in hopes of an error by his opponent? It seems one of these questions should be answered with a "yes." That said, what is the rationale for the one month rule? It seems logical that either (a) the game ends immediately upon demonstration of a forced mate, or (b) the game ends normally, most likely when the loser's clock drops or he finally resigns.
Phil Cook (2007-05-22 08:57:09)
ok
Now to agree on what time limit to play,I'm usually online most (my nights Gmt +10 I'm in aussie till 31st May then back home NZ 1st June-11 June then back to aussie on that night,11 June)
I'm not sure about traxler opening,but I think,I could get a drawn game Evens.
Btw: The 2 Petrov lines to follow:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 *
our
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 *
The donate is for Thibault,as he would have to setup the 4 games.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-22 15:16:16)
Dragging out lost game
"If a forced mate can be demonstrated, should this be sufficient for a win?" .. the answer is yes, BUT the opponent should have the right to continue the game in a limited time, so that he can eventually see the mate and he can't last the game too much.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-05-22 22:20:20)
Any 2200+ for a rapid double round ?
Hi all, hi Thibault
Would you agree for a five players rated double round robin tournament at rapid timing (30 days + 1 day per move) if four other 2200+ players declare in this thread that they are ready to join ?
I am ready to play...
Marc
Marc Lacrosse (2007-05-22 22:22:35)
Any 2200+ for a rapid double round ?
I also suggest maximum 50 days accumulated time for this tournament.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2007-05-27 19:13:09)
Candidates Matches 2007
I just read the Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3886
I was first surprised to learn that Etienne Bacrot (after Grischuk) turned to poker also...
Levon Aronian (ARM) - Magnus Carlsen (NOR)
Alexei Shirov (ESP) - Michael Adams (GBR)
Ruslan Ponomariov (UKR) - Sergei Rublevsky (RUS)
Alexander Grischuk (RUS) - Vladimir Malakhov (RUS)
Peter Leko (HUN) - Mikhail Gurevich (TUR)
Judith Polgar (HUN) -
Evgeny Bareev (RUS)
Boris Gelfand (ISR) - Rustam Kasimjanov (UZB)
Etienne Bacrot (FRA) - Gata Kamsky (USA)
In this round my favourites are : Carlsen, Shirov, Ponomariov, Grischuk, Leko, Polgar, Kasimjanov, Kamsky.
Hard to say who will win this knockout tournament...
Graham Cridland (2007-05-29 18:21:09)
M-Tel
Weird tournament. Topalov failed to impress against a weak field, when you would have expected a really strong performance. He needs to study a bit I think. Very surprised by Adams' result, that's just not acceptable to him I'm sure...
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2007-06-01 12:26:32)
Go championship
I think that the current rules are quite good. For the current user base, 9 players round robin is enough.
If the user base gets bigger and stronger, you could introduce preliminary stages. Example: sort all players who entered the waiting list by rating, then the final league consists of the 5 strongest players plus 4 players who placed first in the preliminary (which might be a knockout, or another league).
One thing I would change in the current system: the usual custom for multi-game matches between two players is to determine colours randomly for the first game, then alternate. If an uneven number of games is played, then in the last game, colours are chosen randomly again.
As I interpret the rules in that way that all five final games are played simultaneously, I would propose that one of those games is played with random colours.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-01 17:56:58)
Final match
Hello Svante Carl, thanks for sharing your views !
I agree about the round-robin tournament, it could evolve according to the rating list...
About the final match, I have good reasons for not introducing any chancy factor in tournaments (anyway I think it's better this way), I finally agreed with players about the 5-games match but it was hard for me to consider this non symmetrical schedule... Making it different is not a problem IMO, a (2xn)-games final match with equality favourable to former champion - like FICGS chess WCH - was ok for me but 6 games may be too few, giving a too big advantage to the former winner of the tournament.
Anyway, there will be no final match in this 1st championship, it will be probably discussed again & again :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-01 18:05:21)
Vladimir Kramnik interview
An interesting interview with Vladimir Kramnik on the current world of chess in Chessbase news, speaking of the chess world championship in Mexico, the current format, the place of Topalov in it, also his illness and married life... Very clear, looks like his chess :)
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3894
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3899
Garvin Gray (2007-06-02 06:42:49)
Wch 3 rules
Time for a new thread since start of a new tournament.
I would like to see each round robin group have more people in each group. This way there is less chance of two or more people tying for first and having to be tie-breaked by TER.
Also it means more games, which I assume is a good thing :)
Marc Lacrosse (2007-06-02 11:17:26)
Wch older qualification
I once qualified in WCH preliminary by winning tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_20__000001 .
I then could not enroll for stage 2 due to personal reasons.
May I go directly to stage 2 of a subsequent cycle or do I have to go through qualifications at new ?
Thanks.
Marc
Khaled Toutaoui (2007-06-02 18:07:31)
just a question...
i wanna know when the Stage 2 of the 2nd FICGS chess world championship will start...im a winner of the 1st stage...
Garvin Gray (2007-06-04 11:41:42)
Wch 3 in rating order
KAZ Balabaev, Farit 2580
FRA de Vassal, Thibault 2512
USA Ingersol, Harry 2502
NZL Noble, Mark 2497
DEU Schuster, Peter 2480
POL Ostrowski, Leszek 2458
ARG Brunsteins, Daniel 2452
CAN Zubac, Marius 2415
ROU Mathe, Iosif 2414
UKR Khokhlov, Igor 2370
MLT Sammut, Ronald 2362
ROU Helmer, Janos 2343
PRT Pires, Miguel 2270
LKA De Silva, Dinesh 2235
POL Sanner, Zdzislaw 2219
RUS Dyakov, Alexander 2217
DEU Schiller, Wilfried 2217
DEU Koslowski, Volker 2204
DZA Ould Ahmed, Samy 2195
FRA Appendino, Jérome 2192
GBR Taylor, William 2182
GRC Bleker, Frits 2171
DNK Jorgensen, Poulerik 2168
DEU Kesselheim, Peter 2149
CAN Repa, Jason 2144
PRT Louro, Eugénio 2123
USA Kotlyansky, Edward 2114
DEU Markus, Roland 2103
FRA Czekaj, Christophe 2098
AUT Dudulec, Konstantin 2084
CAN Plante, Marc-Eric 2079
LVA Borisovs, Leonids 2078
AUT Mueller, Robert 2069
DEU Unger, Peter 2065
AUT Riha, Josef 2019
POL Skwarczylo, Marek 2018
MUS Stephenson, Andrew 2000
CZE Stanislav, Musil 1990
SCG Vidanovic, Djordje 1966
USA Burden, Don 1959
DEU Haluschka, Rainer 1950
CAN Rotaru, Dan 1937
GBR Wyborn, Graham 1890
GBR Burrows, Nick 1884
POL Broniek, Mariusz Maciej 1879
BIH Dautovic, Dzenan 1875
AUS Gray, Garvin 1863
USA Minkin, Alexander 1850
GBR Josse, Mark 1806
ARM Khachaturov, Vadim 1803
USA Kotlyanskiy, Ilya 1800
DEU Krueger, Karsten 1800
PRT Vasquez, Fernando 1775
DZA Toutaoui, Khaled 1763
DEU Wosch, Arkadiusz 1746
TUR Yuvarlak, Ugur 1732
ROU Hrubaru, Mircea 1726
ARG Carrizo, José 1724
USA Phillip, Lennox 1700
ROU Kondort, Mihai 1700
ROU Ioan, Bucsa 1700
BRA Miranda, Marcus 1691
VEN Flores, Luis 1680
RUS Ruzin, Mikhail 1639
DEU Faust, Dieter 1627
MYS Behrmann, Klaus 1617
FRA Bellanger, Michel 1606
POL Bester, Kazimierz 1600
DEU Nent, Alexander 1593
PRT Oliveira, Carlos 1586
HUN Nagy, Attila 1549
ROU Ionescu, Catalin 1535
HUN Kis-Kos, Laszlo 1512
ITA Lupinacci, Nicola 1492
BEL De Groof, Pieter 1465
DEU Odendahl, Marcel 1462
USA Hendricks, Richard 1459
BRA Queiroz, Florencio 1444
CZE Pech, Jaroslav 1433
USA Goodwin, Adam 1415
HUN Csoma, Robert 1400
USA Gillz, Nicolas 1400
BGR Toktas, Ibrahim Ugras 1400
IND Veeraiah, Karuppaiah 1400
MEX Ortiz Durán, Esteban 1400
TUR Ilhan, Alper 1400
CHE Margot, Alain 1400
TUR Erdonho, Erdinç 1400
USA Lipsits, Sasha 1400
BRA B. Lima, Edmilson 1400
DEU von Buttlar, Paul 1386
HUN Fenyves, Adam 1330
BGR Stoianov, Stoian 1316
GRC Serd, Than 1300
TUR Ak, Murat 1300
GBR Willoughby, Peter 1294
ARG Orden, Jorge 1264
GBR Neil, Charlie 1212
NLD Oldenhof, Dwight 1203
USA Greer, Stephen 1200
BRA Barradas, Anderson 1194
IND Malvankar, Vikrant 1188
BEL Tuteleers, Bruno 1145
DEU Bothe, Matthias 1143
BGR Stoyanov, Zdravko 1136
Nick Burrows (2007-06-05 01:53:27)
Round 3
What a wonderful first round of games! I was lucky to watch them all on icc, and managed to pick 6 winners.
Hats off to Magnus Carlsen, what a fearless display of chess. I now believe he will be a long reigning WC in 3 0r 4 years time.
For the next round i will unadventurously choose Aronian/leko/grischuk/gelfand
they should all be tight, id like to see Gata win, but fear his openings will be too weak against Gelfand.
I eagerly anticipate the games!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-05 18:45:25)
Predictions :)
Ok, I take some risks ! :o)
My favourites are Shirov, Leko, Grischuk & .. Kamsky !
I feel these ones may want to reach the final match 'simply' more, for some different reasons.. (Shirov had a match to play against Kramnik in the past, Leko for a revenge, Grischuk for the challenge and Kamsky because he's the K who was not :))
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-06 05:51:55)
E-Points + 25% , affiliate links
Hello to all, now trying to promote tournaments with entry fees & money prizes :)
You may have seen in rules that there are 2 'rakes' for money tournaments, a one-time 25% and a 'rake' per tournament which is very low... From now and until september 31, you'll be given 25% E-Points more when buying E-Points through Moneybookers or Paypal (see "My account" page), which nearly cancels the main rake !
Also it is now possible to win E-Points by becoming an affiliate & helping to promote FICGS... All details in "My account" page : For each new member refered by your link on the web, you'll be given E-Points (now 0,5 per member)... Of course urls and new members are verified, but anyway it is quite easy to reach the 10 E-Points silver ticket !
There could be E-Points prizes for free tournaments (class SM & class M) soon...
It is also possible to post your websites in FICGS directory :
http://www.ficgs.com/directory.html
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-06 19:12:00)
Rybka: $100,000 challenge to FIDE
The author of Rybka - undoubtly the strongest chess engine (Rybka 2.3.1), Vasik Rajlich challenges FIDE for a $100,000 match between Rybka and the winner of the "Ultimate Computer Chess Challenge 2007" between Deep Junior and Deep Fritz, that just started (first game drawn) :
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1126
Also the match offer to grandmasters is more and more interesting :
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=794;pg=1
I doubt Chessbase or FIDE would accept to organize & play such a match, even if Fritz 11 or 12 can beat the next Rybka... The war of engines is not on the chessboard nowadays but that's quite interesting to follow anyway :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-07 18:52:46)
Kramnik on cheating
Vladimir Kramnik on cheating accusations in Elista, the next part of his interview by Chessbase :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3911
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-09 04:48:24)
Nodes per second
Well, game 2 was a draw, game 3 was a win for Deep Junior...
"Deep Fritz is running on an eight-core machine and searching 13-14 million nodes per second, reaching a search depth of 20-21 ply. Deep Junior is employing the latest Intel Server technology with 16 cores. The program is running at 24 million nodes per second and consistantly reaching search depths of 24 ply."
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3916
Not bad in such a time control : 75 min + 10 sec per move... but does it mean anything to run two engines on two different computers !??
Michael Aigner (2007-06-10 03:10:07)
Different PCs - Marketing rules!
Maybe Chessbase thinks they already sold enough copies of Fritz and the market is already satisfied. Now it is time to promote another engine as the "strongest" - the plan is to to sell a lot of Junior copys - how many people own Junior yet, not a lot compared to Fritz - right?
Graham Cridland (2007-06-11 18:03:56)
Pirc in Correspondence
Sounds like a good book. Still, I won't buy it, for the simple reason that the Pirc isn't much fun for Black. There are several simple ways for White to get a comfortable advantage, even without a lot of theory.
In Correspondence I'd think the problem was worse, since it's harder to arrange tactical accidents for your opponent (sort of the point of the Pirc).
I guess the point is that the Pirc isn't supertheory, so you can get dynamic positions without playing the Sicilian. But I'd rather (especially in correspondence) have an extra central pawn than a less explored position, wouldn't you?
Don Groves (2007-06-12 09:22:59)
Nigel Davies on the Pirc
Interesting that he would write about the Pirc since I thought he said something in his mailing list a few months ago about giving up on the Modern (a variant of the Pirc) for black which he had played for some time.
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-13 09:33:55)
Rating list
Rating of new players is very uncertain before they have finished a limit of rated games. After i.e. 30 games it is stabilized, so you can say more about the real strength.
In the WC cycle (k.o. matches) rating has an anormous importance. Now is it often accidentally whether someone is high rated or not.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-13 14:55:34)
The battle of Elista
The last part of the interview, Vladimir Kramnik on game 5 in his match against Veselin Topalov, when he didn't appear at the board :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3912
Dirk Ghysens (2007-06-13 16:55:29)
schach.de chatroom
In my opinion, the matter they are discussing is not very important. It is about a Mr. Holger Lieske, a person unknown to me, who is an administrator or moderator of the schach.de chatrooms, who _allegedly_ kicks out participants of the chatrooms without good reason. Some of the discutants announced that they will start a campaign against ChessBase on English-speaking forums.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-14 02:43:48)
Go with handicap
Well, it is possible to organize casual matches or simultaneous games with a strong player (any volunteer ? :)) .. but it looks quite hard to organize such tournaments automatically.
Jaimie Wilson (2007-06-14 16:35:03)
Holger
My experience of Holger on Playchess.com (same thing as schach.de) is that he is a very fair and assertive sysop. He takes a very dim view of cheats and rightly so. If you behave yourself properly there then Holger will be helpful and would certainly do no harm .
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-14 18:14:03)
Rybka 2.3.2
Just after President's cup "Ultimate computer challenge" finished, Vasik Rajlich threw a new Rybka 2.3.2 in the chess engines arena... (partly explains the $100,000 challenge to Ilyumzhinov a few weeks ago)
Once more, Rybka 2.3.2 seems stronger than her predecessors with indcredible results (blitz time control) against Hiarcs 11.1, Zap chess Zanzibar, Shredder and so on... Maybe +35 elo points compared to Rybka 2.3.1 !
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1264#fp
http://www.rybkachess.com
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-14 18:20:51)
Rybka 2.3.2 improvements
An interesting thread (readme file) on improvements since Rybka 2.3.1
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1240#fp
Rybka is undoubtly the strongest chess engine, but is it now the best partner to analyze correspondence chess games and the best anti-human engine !? .. Any opinions ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-14 23:54:31)
WCH rules
Why to imitate ICCF or IECG, they do it well already... So, quite unusual but interesting IMO. The special rule for 8-games matches is a bit complicate but I think it's fair for both players this way (suggestions are welcome). Actually the more 8-games matches, the more I like this knockout format ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-15 17:12:39)
Online chess today
A few links to discussions at TCCMB (The Correspondence Chess Message Board) on chess servers nowadays, future of ICCF, correspondence chess [once more] and so on...
http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=105.0
http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=109.0
In the second discussion I tried to answer on the future of correspondence chess & chess engines :
1) Like the 'tour de France', it is impossible to organize a "bicycle race" at chess without doping today IMO. Also there are so many 'products' : Various books, databases, engines, human help.. so it seems to me that it is a non-sense to try to make it like an OTB tournament. Online chess is "motorcycle races" & freestyle, nothing else.
2) The ratio of wins does not decrease much in computer games & advanced chess (blitz), and correspondence chess games will never be all drawn IMO. We just have to follow the horizon line... Engines still have difficulties when there are 32 pieces on the board... Make the position more and more complex & critical, play Benoni structures, East indians and English openings... There will probably be more and more draws but when looking at CC 2500+ games, the ratio is still quite good. The problem at CC is mainly the style of play with humans 'humanly' trying to remain in known positions where they can win and can't lose.
'The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy', 'Opportunities multiply as they are seized' (Sun Tzu)
A solution is to make rules that motivate players to avoid draws, particularly when playing against a higher rated opponent. (ie. the rule for FICGS 8-games matches)
3) We feel that engines play almost perfect chess because of our poor human's level of play (I should say ratings)... But engines & computers have to improve a lot yet - not obvious they can do it in a more or less near future -, the horizon line is not so far, each version of Rybka wins about 30 elo points... We'll see engines at level 3200, 3300 maybe much more... (4000 ?)
4) If too many players have their CC rating between 2750-2800 in future, we can make new rules : Ratings wouldn't be calculated on the basis of each game, but on the basis of ie. 8-games matches... Then strategy would be more important & we would see rating gaps again between the best players...
Finally if I'm completely wrong, play Big Chess ;D
Graham Cridland (2007-06-15 17:29:55)
Game 11393
Just finished an interesting game in the Scandinavian. Pretty level most of the way, although both sides must have missed some chances.
A couple of questions: First, in the final position, what is the evaluation of the endgame after 31 ... Qc8 32 Qe5+ Qc7 33 Qxg7 Rxg7 34 Re8+ Qc8 35 Rxc8 Kxc8 36 Rxg7 (thus far all forced) 36...Rxd4 37 Rh7 Rf4 38 Rxh6 Rxf2 39 Rg6 Rh2 40 h6 (this exact endgame can be reached by other move orders in Cridland-Khayman)?
I looked at the ending for a long time, as it seemed to be my only option other than forcing a draw (32 Qe3 Re4 33 Qd2 isn't attractive).
But I think it's drawn! White's only plan is bringing the king to g1 to release the back rank, but that gives black time to rush forward with pawns and king on the Queenside. White can get to h7 by Rg8+ Kc7, Rg7+ Kb6, h7 at some point, but then what?
It looked so attractive at first.
Hannes Rada (2007-06-15 20:19:19)
Figlio - Schuster
4:4 is imho a draw notwithstanding a rating difference.
And both player oder no player should have the right to get to the next stage.
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-15 21:29:58)
Dead Man's Defense
Game #11340, my opponent is playing since 10 moves against the tablebases. No comment from me can him stop!
Loosing is just to difficult!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-16 02:23:50)
Dead Man's Defense
Ok, that's an interesting topic.. and should be discussed for sure !
Once more, there are 6 pieces on the board and even if it is an obvious win, my engine doesn't say Mate in # moves (so your opponent may not see the mate too).
How to react ? .. No hypocrisy, IMO there's no perfect way to answer this problem. If the DMD doesn't work after tablebases, it will work well before, so players will last the game earlier. Of course it's a way to manage rating and so on... Is it really possible to avoid this ?
Any suggestions ?
Be patient anyway... :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-16 02:26:35)
WCH rules
Hannes, any tournament, any championship, any game (!) is a contract that players accept before to play. As Kramnik said, the same for Topalov about FIDE WCH in Mexico... Peter made it. That is fair ! .. IMHO
Nick Burrows (2007-06-16 04:01:51)
DMD
I think it is still valid to play on in a 'lost position'. People play for different reasons. Some to improve their over the board play. If you always resign in losing positions, you may never learn how to fight when you still have practical chances.
if he is just managing his rating, this is different, but can you ever force someone to resign over a matter of etiquette?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-16 14:05:02)
WCH rules
Hello Hannes.
You're right, undoubtly ! .. Also, a new cycle every 6 months is a lot. But I can't see any interest to make one more round-robin cycle championship. This format is interesting & very challenging IMO, maybe it can be improved yet but let's see in a few years :) .. 'Think different'
Mircea Hrubaru (2007-06-16 14:12:43)
More on Strelka
Hello all,
Well, it seems that all the fuss on wether Strelka is a clone has ended. Strela by Yuri Ostripov (St. Petersburg, Russia) is his original work and this was strongly tested by trustful persons in computerchess.
Yet its status (a very materialistic engine, with very few endgame knowledge) makes this engine a very goo future hope. Yuri is currently improving Strelka so we must expect spectacular progress very soon (at least I hope that).
Regards,
Mircea
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-16 15:00:35)
Tablebases
I agree, this is not a case of law!
...but, if a player is able to playing chess on so high level (as he did!) without any help of engines/tablebases, then would be no problem for him, to catch the hopeless!
Of course, a player playing without chess knowledge and just missing at the end the right tablebases will not catch the situation until his tool will get it.
Anyway I have to wait - and I will do it!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-16 15:45:46)
FICGS 3.0 , novelties & advanced chess
Dear chessfriends, the new FICGS version is installed :) ... Improvements :
- New random design (see preferences) after each login, great IMO :)
- Correspondence chess established, preliminary & complete rating lists (user mode)
- Big chess rating list
- http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_big_chess
- Rated big chess tournaments (no more unrated)
- Advanced ches rating list
- http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_advanced_chess
- Rated advanced chess tournaments (money blitz & lightning games)
- New advanced chess games category : CHESS MONEY BRONZE (entry fee 0,2 E-Point)
Advanced chess games are chess games played at Lightning (30 minutes + 1 minute / move) or Blitz (2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves) time control. Computer assistance is encouraged. See rating rules for advanced chess, everyone gets a rating (first estimated from your correspondence chess rating) after you played your first game.
Every member now has 2 free E-Points to play 10 free CHESS MONEY BRONZE (advanced chess) games. Consequently the FICGS advanced chess server is not free of charge after this free trial.
This is a major improvement, so there will be some adjustments during the next days, particularly to reorganize money tournaments.
Feel free if you have any comment or suggestion...
Have good games :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-16 22:00:18)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Hello to all.
I'm glad to announce a new match between chess servers, that should start in about 10 days to 2 weeks. The previous match was FICGS vs. GAMEKNOT (we lost :))
The opponent is the russian server - http://www.igame.ru , an opportunity to meet new chessfriends from eastern countries :)
Here is the agreement :
1. Teams should consist of 25 players maximum (an exact number should be agreed later);
2. Number of games on each board equals 2 (one for White and one for Black);
3. Time control is 30 days + 3 days/move;
4. Leaves are provided, 30 days/year;
5. The match is played on www.ficgs.com;
6. Start date of the match should be agreed by both sides after squads are completed;
7. ICCF rules of play are applied.
In this match chess engines are allowed, it goes without saying we need a strong correspondence chess team, but anyone who wish to play may email me (or use the 'message to webmaster' form in "My account"), or just respond to this post.
Best wishes.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-06-16 23:34:52)
I wish to play in it...
... but IMO I am too weak.
Dan Rotaru (2007-06-17 00:21:41)
Rating lists
Hi Thibault,
What is the difference between established and preliminary rating lists? Also I think that filtering players who haven't logon in the last two months is a little bit too restrictive. Maybe 6 months or a year would be reasonable? (just a suggestion). If I win the lottery (and really hope so) and I decide to spend three motnhs on an isolated island with no internet access i wouldn't want to loose my established rating.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-17 01:49:16)
Rating lists
Hi Dan, yes it may be not clear enough yet. I'll add this post somewhere in the rules when I'm sure about this.
- Established rating list displays players who finished at least 9 rated games (or who obtained an established rating at ICCF / IECG) and who connected during the last 2 years.
- Preliminary rating list is actually more an active players list, it displays players who finished at least 1 rated game (or who obtained an established rating at ICCF / IECG) and who connected during the last 2 months.
Well, maybe I should set the filter to 2 years also, or rename the list as active players list, but it's not very coherent too... :/
Dan Rotaru (2007-06-17 03:10:29)
Rating lists
Thank you for clarification, it makes sense now and I believe it is a nice feature to have these lists. Maybe you should rename "preliminary /active players" list?
Edmilson B. Lima (2007-06-17 07:16:44)
Match
I would like to play for ficgs in this team.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-17 15:34:20)
Swiss tournaments
Hi Dan, I think I'll add an active players list soon...
About the swiss tournaments, I'm thinking about such advanced chess tournaments, but it would be hard to organize a correspondence chess tourney with the swiss system... (the rounds can't be played at the same time)
I'm to completely change the waiting lists structure for big chess & money tournaments.
Dan Rotaru (2007-06-17 19:31:49)
Swiss tournaments
That is very true, you can't play more than one game at the time and one single unfinished game can delay the next round for very long time. But maybe once a year, a 5 round tourney played at fast time controls: 30 days / 0.5 day per move, or even faster? I wonder what kind of interest this type of tourney would generate.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-17 19:40:04)
Swiss tournaments
It would be quite risky IMO :)
Vadim Khachaturov (2007-06-17 23:20:14)
Hi!
I would like to join the holy battle against russians
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-18 01:50:11)
Translators needed - all languages
Hello to all.
Thanks to players who helped me to translate the home page to spanish, italian and deutsch already ...
I still need some help to translate it to all other languages : russian, romanian, chinese, japanese, korean... and so on !
Anyone who have some time to translate these lines can do it by clicking here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_wiki_en-ficgs_home_page.html
... then following the link to your language.
Thanks in advance !
Best wishes, Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-18 05:32:40)
WCCC
Hi Wayne.
I mean, WCCC is a tournament like any other (no federations or whatever...), it is a big event and program authors come to play, that's great. But the format with so few interesting games can't provide accurate results :/
I agree that Deep Fritz & Junior are not the strongest chess engines today, but they are a good test for other ones and a way to improve the results of a tournament. IMO a World Computer Chess Champion should be ie. the SSDF 1st ranked program, which is continuous tournament with many games played, or maybe the games played at SSDF should be organized like a continuous swiss tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-18 05:41:30)
New update !
"Tournaments" page and waiting lists have been completely re-organized by time control ! (more coherent and clear IMO)
Also a new rating list : Active players list.
- Active players list displays players who connected during the last 2 months... Right now almost 700 of 2100 which is quite good IMO :)
- Preliminary rating list now displays players who finished at least 1 rated game, less than 9 rated games and who connected during the last 2 years. (which is much more interesting)
At last, the rating rules for advanced chess (blitz & lightning) have been improved. Now a fair performance bonus for Black, see rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_advanced_chess
And now, I'm going to sleep... Good night everyone :)
Dirk Ghysens (2007-06-18 06:11:14)
Top programs
According to the CCRL rating list, the top programs today are:
1 Rybka
2 Zap!Chess
3 Hiarcs
4 Naum
5 Loop
6 Deep Shredder
Fritz (7th) and Junior (8th) are so weak, that they cannot play a significant role in a world championship. The latest version of Rybka (2.3.2) can be estimated at more than 200 Elo points above Deep Fritz and Deep Junior.
The SSDF rating list is unreliable IMO, as they are using antiquated hardware, and several of the best programs are missing.
Don Groves (2007-06-18 08:24:45)
New Go rating lists, please
Hi Thibault. The new rating lists are nice! I hope you can find the time to extend them to Go as well as Chess :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-18 15:19:55)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Thanks for joining us Janos, we'll need you undoubtly :)
It will be a great match, just looking like Russian vs. The World... About 30 russian players registered these last 2 days, with several FIDE / ICCF masters (GM/IM). We need more 2300+ players !! :)
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-18 16:06:48)
Is Rybka any good?
I thought Shredder or Zap!Chess were the likely favorites. Well, the result that Rybka has achieved is very, very impressive!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-18 16:55:18)
Go rating lists
Hi Don. I couldn't make an established and preliminary rating list for Go, but an active players list is possible.
Robert Mueller (2007-06-18 21:09:21)
Lightning and Blitz Time Controls
Question: Let's say I subscribe to a lightning or blitz time control (30 min or 2 hours) match and I am the first one, when does the game start? As soon as another player signs up? That could be hours or days later. I could be asleep and lose on time. Or am I missing something here?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-18 21:48:26)
Lightning and Blitz Time Controls
Well, as these tournaments are not popular yet, you'll have to wait for an opponent, but you may use the chat bar to announce you entered the waiting list or to find an opponent before to enter it. The game starts as soon as another player signs up.
The point is you can retire from the waiting list when you want, just by clicking on the arrow next to your name in the waiting list (you can try it by entering a Lightning bronze game).
It will take time but it will work :)
Also I'm to organize some "freestyle" advanced chess tournaments at lightning time controls, that should happen from time to time on saturday & sunday.
Wayne Lowrance (2007-07-12 18:24:02)
game 8029
Responded in international chat, but it is rather cumberson.
My thoughts. White still has 10 days on his clock, so I would think he has the right to slow play it here.
In addition white has winning chances, that should be considered.
Lastly if you do adjudicate it Thibault I guess you would award a draw.
If white is holding up progress it would seem to me the fault is not his but in the selection of match time controls. White has every right to expect to use all of his clock, do you not agree Thibault. :)
Wayne
Viktor Savinov (2007-06-19 15:34:04)
GM_FICGS__CHESS__RAPID
GM_FICGS__CHESS__RAPID
(type : rated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)
entry fee : 100 , prize : 894
Let's play in such structure:
Savinov, Viktor;
Atalik, Suat;
Balabaev, Farit;
Figlio, Gino;
Sumets, Andrey;
de Vassal, Thibault;
Vovk, Andrey;
Schuster, Peter;
+1
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-20 15:03:22)
Rybka vs. Deep Junior
We'll have to wait & see :) .. I would be surprised if Junior beats Rybka in a 6-games match or so. In my opinion Junior is the old generation already, playing psychology while Rybka simply plays good chess. But let's wait the next versions, Junior most probably has an excellent software basis to make a very strong engine.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-20 15:46:39)
Players for FICGS team (by rating)
Here is the complete list of players who registered for the FICGS vs IGAME.RU match. Unfortunately, a few players couldn't play :( .. I think our team is strong enough, as rating rules are quite hard at FICGS and some ratings are still provisional.
I don't know how players will be distributed on "tables", if it's freestyle I think Wolfgang should play at table 1.
I am also surprised to see players coming from IGAME.RU or russian forums who entered FICGS team !? .. Anyway, I'm sure there are no spies :)
Thibault de Vassal (2512)
Mark Noble (2496)
Wolfgang Utesch (2466)
Albert Popov (2463)
Michael Aigner (2354)
Janos Helmer (2343)
Miguel Pires (2270)
Leszek Tymcio (2270)
Alexander Shalamanov (2252)
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2246)
Silviu Nenciulescu (2194)
William Taylor (2182)
Poulerik Jorgensen (2168)
Wayne Lowrance (2124)
Edward Kotlyansky (2114)
Christophe Czekaj (2098)
Konstantin Dudulec (2084)
Polina Romanova (2000)
Dan Rotaru (1937)
Nick Burrows (1884)
Garvin Gray (1863)
Vadim Khachaturov (1803)
Janusz Kepinski (1599)
Alexander Nent (1593)
Graham Cridland (1406)
Edmilson B. Lima (1400)
Sasha Lipsits (1400)
Ilmars Cirulis (1305 ~ >2100)
Than Serd (1300)
Charlie Neil (1212)
Phil Cook (1132)
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-20 16:34:00)
Hello Thibault and all!
First of all, thanx for letting me defend the colours of FICGS Team. Oh, no, no spies on the parts the Russian players in our team. We will play fair and at our strongest. And I want to warn you that the IGAME team is really pretty strong and made of tough titled Russian players: GM, IM or GM, although they didn't feel like exposing their correct data or rating. You know, they feel they can win that match, on the one hand, and want to obtain some advantage in case we underestimate their chess strength, on the other hand. After all, honesty is not their best feature, alas. So be on guard, folks! The foe is at our gateway! Lol! Anyways, I want this match to be a fair play one and run with the ICCF motto: Amici sumus! (We are friends!). Good luck to anyone and interesting and exciting games to you! Remember, this match is a good point to win new friends over the globe behind the game of correspondence chess! Play at your strongest but bear in mind your match opponents are likely your partners in chess masterpieces than bitterest enemies. Be happy and have a fine day!
Nick Burrows (2007-06-20 16:58:24)
'the foe is at our gateway' !
Thankyou Alexander! I share your sentiments with regards to the match. Lets set the boards on fire and create some great games.
I await Thibaults rousing team speech before battle commences, be always ready for his call of 'Fall back to the keep!'
I eagerly anticipate this event. nick.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-20 22:54:33)
Internet chess
Well, the discussion with Tryfon Gavriel continues at TCCMB. As I had to explain the way I make FICGS, I copy my responses here :
http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=109.15
Hello again Tryfon !
That's a very interesting discussion...
Actually I have to explain FICGS in its whole to respond :) .. To be continued for sure..
While registering a new member wrote to me a few months ago "Thanks for creating this ultimate chess challenge" or so... That's exactly what I try to do, mostly with the FICGS championship knockout & round-robin rules... Players just want challenge, that's the only assumption I start with, so I try to create interesting challenges. About the intellectual part, you're right but I'm quite sure that top level correspondence chess players still consider their game as an intellectual challenge, much more than a brute force or computer skills one. That's not the case for Advanced chess with fast time controls.
Let's take a look at the bicycle races again... The "Tour de France" is dying IMO.. because everyone understood we "don't know" if the champion is ok.. If doping was allowed (it would be a scandal for health of course), I'm sure the interest would raise again ! I think it is the same for chess & for everything else... The "Tour de France" syndrom happened in Elista with the match Kramnik vs. Topalov... It will have consequences. We need champions and we want true champions, every means are ok for this ! .. So the "engines allowed" rule is the only one possible or reasonable in my opinion.
Of course, chess & correspondence chess are changing, because these "walls" are nearer & nearer... maybe chess will die, maybe not.. The main problem is that in 1997, a super computer became World Champion... this year a "simple" computer Deep Fritz became world champion, soon Rybka on a cellular phone... :) Who is really interested to be a champion in "human category" ? FIDE world chess championship will continue to progressively lose its interest IMO...
Correspondence chess is just starting to grow in popularity and is told to be dying already. Surely correspondence chess will ask more & more time at a high level to win a few points, but it is possible to create more challenge by ie. changing the rating rules (the "design" of Elo rating system will become a problem).. Then, if it is not enough, we'll look for other challenges... It's told for years that Go (Weiqi) will replace chess in western countries... why not Big chess as the "brain only" game if there can't be doping in it.. just trying, as there's no other solution :)
A word about Poker of course, as it's probably the fastest growing game in popularity : IMO this game is at a stade like chess in year 1900, but the same problem will happen, even quicker. At a high level the game will be just more and more boring (if you wish to win real money) or chancy (in a wch tournament), or you'll have to always find weak players (well, not very challenging).
About the simultaneous exhibition against Alekhine or Capablanca, I'm not sure at all they would crush everyone at our chess servers, they are undoubtly more talented than all of us, but I feel it wouldn't be enough in all cases to win against correspondence chess style of play & knowledge accumulated for 50 years... A few players rated OTB 2000-2200 could draw against them IMO...
At last, yes I'm a fan of Sun Tzu's "The art of war" :) .. I strongly believe that correspondence chess will not die in the next few years because players will follow its principles more and more, as the only way to win ! .. Big chess follows the same principles... and Go is the most challenging game because of it too !
Tryfon, I'm not sure that we're opposite in our vision of chess ! .. Our servers have obviousy different goals, nothing more.. I do enjoy playing mad blitz games without chess engines... I just believe that the future of internet chess is "serious (engines allowed, rated) correspondence chess" on one hand and "human chess for fun (no engines, unrated)" on the other hand... The other ways look like nonsense to me.
I hope it responds.
Best wishes, Thibault
Garvin Gray (2007-06-21 01:22:46)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
I don't know how players will be distributed on "tables", if it's freestyle I think Wolfgang should play at table 1.
I would imagine it will be freestyle format. How can it be any different?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-21 01:29:52)
Tables ordered by rating... or not
Well, it wasn't obvious indeed ;)
I agree, not very important, but your opinion is welcome.
Andrey Sumets (2007-06-21 09:34:40)
Alex
Don't worry, be happy:)
I think it makes no difference what handle or what rating had been indicated by any of our players. If you gonna play chess - do it!
Honest or not quite honest - anyway you play against pieces!
Best wishes in forthcoming battle! (sorry for my imperfective English)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-21 22:49:13)
Real names
Hello Denis.
Well, almost everyone here uses his real name, "amateur" or master. The aim is only to build a friendly atmosphere ! .. and it works quite well IMO :) .. That's why real names are really appreciated. Your choice my friends ;)
Dan Rotaru (2007-06-22 00:41:00)
Lightning and Blitz Time Controls
I am proposing the following idea to solve the problem of Lightning and Blitz Time Controls: the first person who signs up should be able to choose a date and time when the game should start (use server time to avoid confusion). The player who accepts the challenge should accept that he has to logon and play the game at the established date and time. Of course any of them can cancel the game or ask for a new date and time if for any reason they cannot play.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-22 01:31:43)
:o)
It won't help much IMO ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-22 01:51:23)
Lightning and Blitz Time Controls
That's an idea, but I'm making some changes to help to find opponents more easily. I hope it will help...
First, experience shows that rating rules are still too hard IMO : A player winning or drawing against another one rated 350 points more most often means the lower rated player should be rated higher, not the contrary... A few games only are concerned, but with provisional ratings such results are still not fair, and many players rated 2100 to 2300 fear to lose points in the chess WCH, even if they win their groups. This rule should allow strong players not to fear (too much :)) to play against anyone in rated tournaments without rating restrictions, like blitz & lightning ones.
Consequently, the rule "In case of a loss or draw against a player rated more than 350 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Elo - 350" will be changed to "In case of a loss or draw against a player rated more than 200 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Elo - 200" in a few hours.
The entry fees & prizes (E-Points) will change also, most important is to attract more players to start more advanced chess games.
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-22 14:09:17)
Russian translation
As it appears, Mike has already done the Russian translation. Of course, some purely cosmetic improvements could be made to the Russian version but do they need to de done? It's not that bad and gives a good idea of the website and its content. So I think we can leave it at that.
Cheers, Alex
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-22 14:49:55)
Ukrainian
As to the Ukranian version, I can be of no help here. :) Sure, Andrew Sumets is the right guy to do that, should he feels that way. You can ask him for contribution. As to the rest of the missing versions, I've no idea who can take trouble to do them. :)
Cheers,
Alex
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-22 17:36:50)
Russian players or not in FICGS team ?
Well, that's very hard to decide. Actually at a first sight I agree with Garvin too, the real fun and the sense of such a match is players from western countries meeting russian players IMO, but no "rule" forbid it.
Whatever the decision, there will be deceived players :/ .. My suggestion is that all russian players who just registered at FICGS should play with IGAME.RU team but it's up to Sergey (for Igame.ru team). I'd like more opinions about this issue, also from Sergey Pligin, who organizes the match for Igame.ru
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-22 20:00:58)
L'histoire de la verite, Thibauld :)
En bonne justice, les invitations pour entrer dans l'equippe ont envoiee aux participants d'IGAME choisie. Alors beacoup de gens qu'ont vraiment voulee jouer le match n'ont pu le faire.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-22 20:30:57)
Rybka's strength at CC time controls
An interesting poll, following a discussion at TCCMB :
http://ancients.correspondencechess.com/index.php?topic=109.msg809
Let's say Rybka playing alone, running 4 days per move (quite useless IMO) on a multi-processor computer, which rating would it/she achieve at FICGS ?
In my opinion, 2200 (with some peaks to 2300) would be great already... What do you think ?
Michael Aigner (2007-06-22 21:27:50)
Re: Rybka's strength at CC time controls
I think you are right with your Elo approximation (2200 to 2300). There is just a little problem. In the case everybody would know he/she is playing against the latest Rybka version this would be a big problem for the program.
In this case Rybka should loose almost every game because everybody would know Rybkas response to any move and could build wonderful traps.
Did you hear about the so called "Planetenmatch" (match of the planets) where correspondence Chess GM Arno Nickel played against several Programms of unknown identity (the alias was the name of a planet). I think the engines had 24 hours per move and no chance - a desaster for the programs. That was of course before Rybka appeared, on the other hand he won also against Hydra!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-22 22:35:34)
GM Arno Nickel vs. engines
I heard about this match (that happened on the Chessfriend server if I remember well)... but it seems that actually the engines won 3,5 - 2,5 ! .. A quite surprising result. Hydra was everything but designed to play at correspondence chess time controls, so let's wait for a more interesting experience, most probably with Rybka.
Glen D. Shields (2007-06-23 00:14:24)
Chess Engine Strength
Thibault - I've been following the TCCMB discussion. I think it's impossible to answer the question what rating Rybka can achieve under the uncontrolled circumstances we play. If Rybka were playing only against humans, it would achieve a 2600+ rating. Since it plays mostly against itself and other top engines (with little human intervention), the typical results are win a few games, lose a few games and draw a lot.
Since tournaments are mostly set up so that players face opponents with similar ratings, a 2220 rated player using Rybka enters a tournament against other 2200 players. That player wins a few games, loses a few, draws a lot and leaves the tournament at approximately 2200. We conclude from that pattern that Rybka can achieve a 2200 rating.
Conversely, a player (like Uri Blass) who enters tournaments at 2600 and plays other 2600 rated opponents using Rybka wins a few games, loses a few games and draws a lot. He leaves the tournament rated approximately 2600. We conclude for that situation Rybka is rated 2600.
IMHO, it is impossible to answer the Rybka rating question under our typical tournament circumstances.
I think an even better question than worrying about Rybka's strength is "does anyone REALLY enjoy CC anymore?" Today's CC's is a race to buy the fastest hardware and make sure SSDF's top rated programs are installed. I'm playing beginners who can't explain what "en passant" is, but by parroting Rybka they compete in top tournaments and claim to hold titles that once upon a time had to be earned through hard work. After passing through the opening, it doesn't take much effort to figure out what program your opponent is using. At that point one can predict with high probablitlty every move your opponent will make for the rest of the game. Rarely do I see a move that I can can beat. The games are boring and pedictable. Those blunders and surprises that we once wrote funny stories about are long gone. IMO so is the fun.
Sorry to sound so "pessimistic," but until these problems are addressed and the fun is restored I find it just as easy to play against my computer. I can play at my pace, chose the engine I want to play, and unless my computer crashes I no longer have to worry about DMD :-)
Thanks for such a well run place to play chess. You do a great job maintaining it.
My best,
Glen
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-06-23 06:02:44)
Black 20th move...
20.-- Re8 is losing. Search for games and you will see.
But 20.-- Rd8 is drawish, IMO. And I don't understand why I don't play it?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-23 06:06:29)
Chess Engine Strength
Hello Glen !
I see your point, that's quite true and a consequence is what I called at TCCMB "the extensive nature of elo rating", however rating rules are more dynamic at FICGS.. So, let's say Rybka playing the FICGS championship against players of all kinds of ratings in the round-robin cycle... Anyway 2200 is only my feeling.
I understand your views about "rybka" [correspondence] chess nowadays, even if I don't agree with it completely. I saw some of your CC games played at IECG, and it looks much more like 'good old' chess with some unusual and beautiful tactical openings than typical 'correspondence computer chess' nowadays. I do believe there will be a place in the next CC years for more weird openings like bird, king's gambit, english... Also take a look at Peter Schuster and Wladyslav Krol games here !? .. Nothing boring with them, chess engine or not :)
Also advanced chess games with fast time controls could be quite interesting to watch in future as a way to see granmaster games with chess engines avoiding blunders 'only' (ok a bit more). We don't know exactly the human part in it, but draws won't be the rule for sure.
What is "boring" at correspondence chess (not new) is that achieving a top rating take a long... very long time ! .. But this is a great challenge yet IMO.
At last, thanks for you kind words :)
Best, Thibault
Garvin Gray (2007-06-23 09:31:22)
time for a different thread
Hello,
Hasnt this discussion now about real names v nicknames moved away from the original point of this thread?
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-23 09:53:47)
time for a different thread
maybe - but it is also interesting for the match FICGS vs. IGAME.RU, which is this threat's matter.
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-23 09:58:11)
Nicknames
...and this threat is also very important for our match FICGS vs. IGAME.RU in my opinion!
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-06-23 10:02:10)
Variation of Marshall counterattack.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 O-O 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Bxd5 cxd5 16.Qf3 is won for white, IMHO.
Who want to refute me? ;)
Michael Aigner (2007-06-23 12:55:32)
Rybka 2.3.2a would!
Hi!
Rybka follws the mentioned game Motley -Anand but finds an improvement at move 24.
24. Bh5 Qf5 26. Bxg7 with an unclear (IMO, according to Rybka equal position.
it could follow Nc5 (Kxg7 26.Rf1) 26. Rxd8+ Kxd8 27.Kd6 Kd3+ 28.cxd Qa5+ 29.Ke2 Kxg7 still unclear, but in an otb game i would shourly prefer to play white.
I can imagine when you look deeper in the position after Bh5 you might find a win for white - or lets say a variation in which it is almost not possible for black to defend in an otb game even when the objective evaluation says the position is equal. This could be the reason why Re8 is prefered by strong human GMs.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-23 14:08:39)
Nicknames
Haha, good joke :)
But you're right, I said it already in this forum ! .. That's not a secret, but to me a funny enigma that noone solved yet ;) .. 2 years and a half ago, I played under my director's name (I made several 'experimental' movies before), which was my most used name in my work. That's why I don't play with my real name in this other organization. I gave another clue later.. Not so hard, will someone find my previous games ? :)
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-23 15:12:30)
Enigma solved?
180119 IM Savostianoff, Evgueny (2437)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-23 18:12:34)
FICGS freestyle cup
Hello to all.
You may have noticed new changes in the waiting lists & tournaments pages. Trying to create more interesting tournaments with entry fee & prize, with different time controls.
The FICGS chess freestyle cup (I did not find a better name yet :)) will be a 6 rounds swiss tournament played from time to time (every month would be great) at a very fast time control : 10 minutes + 20 seconds / move, see the rules in the tournament page in waiting lists. All rounds will be played the same day, about 1 round per hour.
Blitz tournaments have been gathered with lightning ones under the category advanced chess lightning tournaments.
Feel free if you have any idea or suggestion !
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-23 18:35:15)
Rating rules update
Hello to all.
As I said in another thread, experience shows that rating rules were still too hard IMO : A player winning or drawing against another one rated 350 points more most often means the lower rated player should be rated higher, not the contrary... A few games only are concerned, but with provisional ratings such results are still not fair, and many players rated 2100 to 2300 fear to lose points in the chess WCH, even if they win their groups. The new rule should allow strong players not to fear (too much :)) to play against anyone in rated tournaments without rating restrictions, like wch, blitz & lightning ones.
Consequently, the rule "In case of a loss or draw against a player rated more than 350 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Elo - 350" has been changed to "In case of a loss or draw against a player rated more than 200 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Elo - 200"
All correspondence chess results of these last 2 months & in the future will be affected, as well as future advanced chess & big chess results.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-23 19:46:32)
Dortmund 2007
The Dortmund 2007 tournament just started, a category 20 event with Vladimir Kramnik (recovering from illness), Viswanathan Anand, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov, Peter Leko, Boris Gelfand and Magnus Carlsen...
Who is the man of the moment, able to win such a tourney in your opinion ?
... well, and where is Veselin Topalov ?!
Pekka I. Turakainen (2007-06-24 06:17:11)
One variant of BIG CHESS
For one variant of big chess, see
http://apollo13.wippiespace.com/doublechess.html
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Good thing about this version is that it is faster than DeVassal's Big Chess, and that it can be played with two normal chess boards. From the rest I'm not at all sure of...suggestions for improvements?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-24 01:35:19)
Reminder : Rules !
11. General rules - 11.1. Netiquette : "No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit."
Thanks everyone not to provocate or insult other players anymore !
Sergey warned me before the match that some players from Igame.ru wouldn't like to play under their real names, I said they could register with other names (not famous names), a few players did it, this is not so important IMO.
Players who absolutely want to play in this match against players using their real name can send me a private message and I'll arrange that.
Thanks in advance :)
Garvin Gray (2007-06-24 08:16:23)
suggestion
I believe that everyone has been credited with 2 e-points.
Perhaps an idea to get people more interested in the 'money games' would be to make the tournament entry fee 2 e-points on a one time trial basis.
Those that arent interested after the trial basis will probably never be interested and so have no need to have any e-points. Those that are interested will add more e-points to their account.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-24 14:39:20)
suggestion
Thanks for suggestion Garvin. A problem is the swiss tournament will occur on a particular day and will take about 6 hours.
I think it will take some time before players be interested to play fast time controls anyway, and I'll probably have to improve some things yet.
Reminder : Everyone starts with 2 E-Points and can play 20 bronze lightning games for free.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-24 17:00:06)
One variant of BIG CHESS
Yes, I saw it before... But I suspect that computers could play it quite well too. Big Chess, like Go, is quite long but it helps to make the game much more complex IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-25 04:32:14)
Recently Completed Games
Hi Thomas. It is quite easy to order finished games (by date, by tournament or anything), but I'm not sure it's a good idea to have too many options... It is possible to find old finished games in "My tournaments". What's the aim exactly ?!
Albert Popov (2007-06-25 07:20:58)
Using nicknames or fake names
I presume, it's disgusting to use nicknames or fake names in a friendly match. I find it impossible to shake hands or salute people who hide themselves behind nicknames or fake names. That's not fair play and if it takes place, I'm not into it! It runs counter to the ICCF rules of conduct.
Amici sumus!
Albert
Sergey Pligin (2007-06-25 10:13:05)
to Wolfgang Utesch
Wolfgang, it is a pity such a strong player as you are resigns playing this match for the reason you are giving up this opportunity is insignificant, IMO. Several players of our team use nicknames, but not all of them. You may play vs me. I am expected to play on 3rd or 4th board.
My games are available on ICCF web server. I hope you will change your mind and play FICGS team.
Best regards, Sergey
Albert H. Alberts (2007-06-25 14:36:49)
World Computer Chess Championship (WCCC)
All:
JUNIOR has won over Fritz in Elista.RYBKA wins Olympiade Amsterdam.
It got me thinking: instead of being an 'engine-to-engine contest can it be that the whole thing is a book-to-book contest? The program that has the best opening book with novelties will come out on top, invariant from the engine.
Is that why RYBKA is so good? IM V.Rajlich?
The future WC will be the program with the best book. The future WC tournament chess will be the one who knows this book. Maybe they will be one and the same person? Great news for the sport I think.
Greetings Albert H. Alberts,Amsterdam www.howtofoolfritz.com
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-25 15:17:50)
Rybka's book
Sure the secret of Rybka is not its/her opening book ! .. But that's very important matter anyway.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-25 15:25:58)
Ficgs vs Igame.ru
Undoubtly the most replied in this forum :)
I think that's not so important matter. A few IGAME.RU players registered with other names and were honest by admitting it. Of course a few players here used nicknames before that, that's not a big deal and that's internet chess. The only way to be sure (actually that's wrong, I saw some cases a long time ago in team championships) of your opponent's identity is to play over the board.
Finally, if some players in IGAME.RU team use nicknames, let's say that's a small advantage we give to them :) .. On the other hand, we play at home !
Not a big deal... really.
Amici sumus !
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-25 17:48:40)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Let me explain – I don’t want to have any exception rules for me! It’s a principle thing: about 35 years ago I played some few correspondence chess tournaments by postcard (naturally with my real name). After a long period of abstinence (since 1999) I played correspondence chess by Email (IECG/Playchess-Server and ICCF/ICCF-Webserver) – new transport medium but with old real name.
So everybody can see my chess history: I’m standing (with my real name) to all my many bad or neutral games as same as to my some very good chess performances. I’ve always used tools (first just books and later also engines), but I’ve always played my games alone (without help by any other person).
I think there are many other players with FICGS (i.e. Peter Schuster, Hannes Rada, Harry Ingersol or others more) who have done it similar like me.
In contrast, if DONALD DUCK wins and has played a very good game, he likes it to say his real name, if he loses or has played poorly, he is just staying DONALD DUCK. He wouldn’t have to fear to disgrace himself, but there is a real chance for him to gleam!
Sorry, but this is not my idea from a friendly match between two serious teams.
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-26 09:20:54)
Vacation
In my opinion there is no need to change. The argument, then players can play more games in same time can be countered by if they play less games they can speed up their moves. Already in the current situation most time won't be spended for finding best moves, but for stretching lost games!
Dinesh De Silva (2007-06-26 09:33:10)
Re:
I think there should be at least an option of an extra 10 days to the current 30 days per year. The point is that there are such things as computers breaking down, computers hit with viruses, business travel commitments, planning a holiday etc. I think the majority are not glued to the internet all the time. These factors far outweigh other things. So to relieve the situation, an extra 10 days might be a good idea.
Garvin Gray (2007-06-26 10:03:35)
vacation
The current amount of time is fine. On this site you can't play while on vacation.
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-26 11:26:12)
Books or technique?
It's as simple as that: Rybka just outplayed her opponents in middlegames. Books have something to do, of course, but not that much. She just plays better in opening to middlegame and middlegame to ending phases. Oh, Junior, you are still better! And mind you, I'm not betraying while saying that. Amicus (mihi) Plato, sed magis amica veritas! (Plato is my friend but the truth is more precious!)
Nick Burrows (2007-06-26 14:23:32)
vacation
1 month seems fine to me. most players seem to build time in their games anyway, so if they are away some days over their allocation it should very rarely cause them damage.
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-26 16:06:08)
Ratings
The discussion of ratings is very problematic. Ratings on different sites are depending on different premises. What entry level was accepted? How long did you playing there – how often? How much thinking time did you spent per move? Is the basic rating you earned over years to be caused by old tournaments with postcards (maybe without any help of engines – and your opponents did it the same way)? How much care did you spent ratings (i.e. Norm tournaments?!)? Are you a member of the exclusive cycle of an organisation, getting invitations to closed high-level rating tournaments?
Engines (also Rybka) are playing own styles and it depends on whether you can play better or worse against their special styles (knowing their potencies and weaknesses). Old fashioned players (independent from their ratings) will have much more problems to win or to hold draw against engines than players which have positioning themselves at actual situation. In my opinion today Rybka alone with one week thinking time per every move without any other help will reach a rating of about 2.400 at FICGS SM-tournament with an average rating of 2.450.
In an ICCF anniversary tournament (average rating of about 2.600) same Rybka under same conditions will reach a rating about 2.550.
I for myself wouldn’t play longer correspondence chess, if I would have the feeling that any engine is playing better without my command. How long will it still take?
My engine handling is not in this way, that I am waiting for longer times which move is offer by the engine. I have own ideas and I’m trying their possibilities, investigating positions in depth over many moves in all directions. But sometimes engines have the better ideas and I have to accept this!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-26 16:28:41)
Ratings
Fully agreed ! .. By the way, what performance could achieve Rybka (mp) in a CLASS M or CLASS A tournament. Finally, in average about 2200-2300 IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-26 16:48:10)
Real names (the end ?)
Even if I'm a bit more moderated, I quite agree with Alexander & Wolfgang. Anyway, everyone can feel it his way, so no need to continue this discussion IMO... Rules at FICGS just try to gather people and make a friendly place.
Miguel Pires (2007-06-26 18:23:36)
Vacation
Hi,
I ask to Thibault to discuss this in the forum because, like Dinesh De Silva have sayed, you can have a some sort of (i don't have a better word) problems that make you postpone your games. In ICCF at any tournament you have 30 days/vacation for ich tournament. My problem is not with the tournaments with 10/40 Days are in the 30+1. In this first 6 months i've a lot of issues to solve (professional and personal thing's) that i've to postpone a lot. Now thing's are more or less calm, but if we have more time or the rules are equal to ICCF my new tournaments can have 30 days, and if i need to postpone now i can't postpone the oldest and the new tournaments because i've not more days.
I now that is the rules but i think more time (Like Gamknot) or the same rule like ICCF can help a lot.
Another idia is do like (i think) IECG or IECC, that if you need a special live they can give you that (i think if you have someone in the hospital, important biseness to a long period can feet in the "special leave").
Is only my opinion.
Best Regard's
Miguel Pires
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-26 19:36:51)
Miguel Pires
Sorry, but for my understanding: You are playing actually in 10 tournaments (34 open games) in same time? You just booked in 2 Rapid (!!) tounaments (12 open games) recently? And now you have problems with your time - really amazing.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2007-06-26 21:41:21)
30 days / year is enough
I think 30 days / year is enough.
If you fear that you could get time problems don't play too many and avoid Rapid tournaments. Nobody forces you to enter every waiting list.
And according to Murphy's Law "such things as computers breaking down, computers hit with viruses, business travel commitments, planning a holiday etc." always happen if you have no more vacation.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-26 22:04:29)
Rapid tournaments
I agree that rapid tournaments (30 days + 1 day / move) may be quite hard for some players, but as Heinz-Georg and Wolfgang said, it's up to you to choose the tournaments that fit to your available time.
WCH tournaments are quite hard to play the same way, but that's a condition to start a new cycle every 6 months and adding days of vacation may last important games and force some adjudications. That's why I'm not favourable to this change.
But I agree, that's quite hard not to enter certain waiting lists too... (it's a fight of every day) :))
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-27 00:53:38)
Mircea
Hi Mircea. You know, such things happen... That's a pity this atmosphere of suspicion was created because of a few players and a misunderstanding but it would have happened anyway, as it is not possible to verify all names... Most important is to play with clear rules, then (fortunately) we all are different and think different :)
Miguel Pires (2007-06-27 02:53:26)
Heinz-Georg and Wolfgang and thibault
First I only give my opinion.
Second I can't control the start date of the tournements soo i've 2 tournaments that start almost at the same time
Third, the point is not if i've to many games, but, in my opinion, if we should have little more time (like in GK) or have the same thing like in ICCF.
That's what we are talking in this pool, not any choice of any particular player that gives an opinion, and you don't agree with that and criticises is whay of seeing or conduct thing's
Best Regard'
Miguel Pires
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-27 03:45:20)
Miguel
I'm sorry if you felt under attack... Of course we're only discussing ideas and I thank you for having submitted this one. I agree that rules are quite hard but it is also quite hard for us to understand how it couldn't be linked to the number of games in any way. There are other factors that we can predict more or less, but it's obviously related IMO. Anyway, maybe 10 days more would help many players to manage their time. Waiting for more opinions...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-27 04:02:55)
DMD / DMA : Dead Man's Attack :)
You know the DMD - Dead Man's Defense... but do you know the Dead Man's Attack ? :))
Dinesh opponents may know this "funny" situation, but this time I prefered to wait the next rating calculation... Sorry Dinesh, I hope you did not sacrifice your sleep this last month (sure not) ;) .. Quite strange anyway, I'm curious to understand.
http://www.ficgs.com/game_2931.html
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-27 06:19:40)
Bullet games & prizes
Hello to all.
A few new changes and one more time control in lightning tournaments category :
- Bullet games (available for chess & Go), 10 minutes + 20 seconds / move.
- Bronze bullet Go games are available... Everyone can test it for free.
- Bullet & lightning Go games are now rated (same rating list).
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-27 06:52:53)
Rules
I think, all we need are rules against unreasonableness!
It is impossible a find right rules for Miguel or Dinesh.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-06-27 07:26:44)
Re:
It seems someone is trying to force issues by always trying to be confrontational. Any player who tries to be high & mighty & aggressive is surely unstable. What people like I & Miguel Pires were doing is just making a suggestion & making friendly debate. Maybe there should be a poll to determine if the vacation period should be increased or not. It's all upto Thibault, of course. Whichever way he decides, we as players would accept it in a friendly, calm, peaceful manner, unlike a very few who try to impose their will on matters by thinking they are ALWAYS correct..
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-27 10:31:35)
Rules
Rules are very immportant! For all the same rules. If rules will changed about actual serious problems by a few players, it will be a disadvantage for all other players, which have arranged themselves with the same rules, independent from their own difficulties with that. Maybe sometimes they have thought less time for a single move as they would have wished - maybe they have lost therefore, but they have accepted the rules - that is the game (and that is life also).
Glen D. Shields (2007-06-27 12:52:12)
Keep it at 30 Days
I've been in the situation many times of too many games and too little time to keep up. Admittedly very stressful, but I have no one to blame for getting into that situation but myself.
My preference is to keep vacation at 30 days per year. Today's fast pace requires players to be diligent about managing their game load. Giving players more vacation time adds to the time it takes to finish tournaments and makes it even harder for players to manage game loads.
My personal belief is that when I sign up for a tournamnet I'm making a commitment to play my games at a regular and reasonable pace. If I am regularly finding myself with too many games and often wishing for more vacation time, then I think it is my responsibility to plan better and make better personal choices rather than inconvenince everyone else.
Just my opinion :-)
Miguel Pires (2007-06-27 13:24:11)
Glen D. Shields
"rather than inconvenince everyone else"? Is it for me? If is, i'm going to try to explain to you whay i ask to dicusse the vacation time. Is not because i've to many games (if i've 2 or 3 i syaed the same thing) is because i fell that 30 days is short. In Gameknot i've 120 days, in ICCF i've 30 days per tournament, soo if i enter in a new tournament and i need to postpone i can chose what tournament to postpone. In my opinion is a short time but if the comunity don't whant to change, men ask don't cost anithing, correct?
If this is "inconvenince" for you men sorry but for me is not.
Regard's
Miguel Pires
Glen D. Shields (2007-06-27 14:38:26)
Miguel Pires
Miguel - my comments were meant for everyone not just you.
I happen to think long vacations are another way for players to shy away from the committment they made to play. When my opponent takes a vacation and I am ready to play, then the honest fact is he is inconveniencing me while he is away. I accept that inconvenience as part of the game. I would not be happy having opponents have more than 30 days so they can inconvenience me even more. The time rules are slow enough to allow anyone who has other commitments to take time off and still keep their games going. If outside committments are just too great, than IMHO a player should not sign up to play until they have more time to committ to their games.
These comments, like my other ones, are made for everyone not just you.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-27 14:50:19)
+1
I must say that Glen's argument is very pertinent. The more vacation, the more games, the more difficulties... Quite logical, and I don't say that for you Miguel as it's probably a mechanical effect. Anyway I agree with you that a few more days would give a welcome breath, but as Wolfgang said, time is a part of the game, that's life. Sorry if you felt a bit of irony or cynicism in our posts, I suppose it was difficult to avoid it to justify our opinion...
Best, Thibault
Sergey Pligin (2007-06-27 19:24:46)
Our team
Here is our squad, in accordance of boards:
1. Sumets Andrey, Member # 2137, GM
2. Pljusnin Ivan, Member # 2147
3. Pligin Sergey, Member # 2189
4. Doinikov Owl, Member # 2191
5. Romitsin Nikolay Sergeevich, Member # 2159
6. Vovk Andrey, Member # 2144, IM
7. Yunusov Adkham, Member # 2124
8. Pavlikov Andrey Nikolayevich, Member # 2182
9. Leskiv Miroslav, Member # 2133
10. Domanov Dmitry, Member # 2130
11. Kragujevcanin Stole, Member # 2148
12. Silkin Aleksey, Member # 2198
13. Orlov Sergei, Member # 2207
14. Kim Vladimir, Member # 2139
15. Gerasimov Vladimir, Member # 2190
16. Larin Igor, Member # 2193
17. Zarullin Ivan, Member # 2203
18. Filimonov Evgeny, Member # 2176
19. Pezikov Evgeny, Member # 2174
20. Stork Denis, Member # 2180
21. Mancubov Boris, Member # 2156
22. Ilyuschenko Yury, Member # 2168
23. Prokopenko Alex, Member # 2182
24. Basiliev Iouri, Member # 2205
25. Shpakovsky Alexander, Member # 2185
The following players will play using their real names:
Sumets Andrey GM
Pligin Sergey
Romitsin Nikolay Sergeevich
Vovk Andrey IM
Yunusov Adkham
Pavlikov Andrey Nikolayevich
Leskiv Miroslav
Domanov Dmitry
Silkin Aleksey
Orlov Sergei
Gerasimov Vladimir
Larin Igor
Pezikov Evgeny
Ilyuschenko Yury
Prokopenko Alex
Shpakovsky Alexander
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-27 20:25:25)
Figlio - Schuster
Peter Schuster - Gino Figlio, Corr Olympiad XV Prelim 2 Board 2, 15.01.2003
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.Qd2 Nbd7 9.f4 Qc7 10.f5 Bc4 11.Bd3 Be7 12.0-0 0-0 13.Bxc4 Qxc4 14.Qd3 Qxd3 15.cxd3 b5 16.Rac1 Rfb8 17.Rfd1 Kf8 18.h3 b4 19.Na4 Rc8 20.Kf2 d5 21.Kf3 d4 22.Bd2 a5 23.Rxc8+ Rxc8 24.Rc1 Rxc1 25.Bxc1 Bd8 26.Bd2 Nb8 27.Nac5 Ke8 28.Nb7 Nc6 29.Nd6+ Ke7 30.Nc4 Ke8 31.Bg5 Ke7 32.Nc5 Bc7 33.Bh4 h6 34.a3 Nb8 35.axb4 axb4 36.g4 g5 37.Be1 Nc6 38.Na6 Bd6 39.Nxd6 Kxd6 40.Nxb4 Na5 41.Nc2 Nb3 42.Bb4+ Kd7 43.Bf8 h5 44.Bg7 hxg4+ 45.hxg4 Ke7 46.Nb4 1-0
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-27 21:18:36)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU, the games
Hello to all.
The friendly match between FICGS & IGAME.RU teams just started :)
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__FICGS_VS_IGAME_RU_MATCH.html
I'd like to thank Sergey Pligin for organizing this match and all players who registered to play. I apologize to the players who couldn't play :/ .. 25 boards was not enough this time. To build FICGS team I selected players with the highest ratings but one cause his rating should be clearly >2000 already. Also IM Mark Noble plays at table 6 because his opponent is another FIDE IM.
I wish good games to everyone, this is a great opportunity for us to meet russian chessfriends.
Amici Sumus !
... quote of the day : "Top boards make the show, last ones win matches." :-)
Here are the complete teams :
FICGS :
1. Thibault de Vassal # 1
2. Michael Aigner # 139
3. Peter Schuster SM # 323
4. Janos Helmer # 47
5. Miguel Pires # 83
6. Mark Noble IM # 1991
7. Leszek Tymcio # 2151
8. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff # 142
9. Silviu Nenciulescu # 1319
10. William Taylor # 1232
11. Poulerik Jorgensen # 940
12. Wayne Lowrance # 135
13. Edward Kotlyansky # 1140
14. Christophe Czekaj # 1193
15. Konstantin Dudulec # 1329
16. Robert Mueller # 1233
17. Josef Riha # 157
18. Dan Rotaru # 1394
19. Garvin Gray # 1363
20. Nick Burrows # 1643
21. Vadim Khachaturov # 1078
22. Daniel Khayman # 1032
23. Gaetano Laghetti # 138
24. Alexander Nent # 1411
25. Ilmars Cirulis # 533
IGAME.RU :
1. Sumets Andrey, Member # 2137, GM
2. Pljusnin Ivan, Member # 2147
3. Pligin Sergey, Member # 2189
4. Doinikov Owl, Member # 2191
5. Romitsin Nikolay Sergeevich, Member # 2159
6. Vovk Andrey, Member # 2144, IM
7. Yunusov Adkham, Member # 2124
8. Pavlikov Andrey Nikolayevich, Member # 2157
9. Leskiv Miroslav, Member # 2133
10. Domanov Dmitry, Member # 2130
11. Kragujevcanin Stole, Member # 2148
12. Silkin Aleksey, Member # 2198
13. Orlov Sergei, Member # 2207
14. Kim Vladimir, Member # 2139
15. Gerasimov Vladimir, Member # 2190
16. Larin Igor, Member # 2193
17. Zarullin Ivan, Member # 2203
18. Filimonov Evgeny, Member # 2176
19. Pezikov Evgeny, Member # 2174
20. Stork Denis, Member # 2180
21. Mancubov Boris, Member # 2156
22. Ilyuschenko Yury, Member # 2168
23. Prokopenko Alex, Member # 2182
24. Basiliev Iouri, Member # 2205
25. Shpakovsky Alexander, Member # 2185
Edit : There was a mistake while building the games, I had to make a replacement at board 23.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-28 03:22:02)
Round 4
Beautiful game (so clear) by Vladimir Kramnik, who beats Magnus Carlsen to take the lead in the tournament...
Kramnik,V (2772) - Carlsen,M (2693) [E06]
Sparkassen Chess Meeting, Dortmund GER (4), 27.06.2007
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5 4.d4 Be7 5.Bg2 0–0 6.0–0 dxc4 7.Qc2 a6 8.Qxc4 b5 9.Qc2 Bb7 10.Bd2 Nc6 11.e3 Nb4 12.Bxb4 Bxb4 13.a3 Be7 14.Nbd2 Rc8 15.b4 a5 16.Ne5 Nd5 17.Nb3 axb4 18.Na5 Ba8 19.Nac6 Bxc6 20.Nxc6 Qd7 21.Bxd5 exd5 22.axb4 Rfe8 23.Ra5 Bf8 24.Ne5 Qe6 25.Rxb5 Rb8 26.Rxb8 Rxb8 27.Qxc7 Bd6 28.Qa5 Bxb4 29.Rb1 Qd6 30.Qa4 1–0
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-28 04:07:04)
IGAME team
I don't think IGAME team has to provide more information... The match started, once more that's internet chess, we have to accept this part of uncertainty. You may search ratings for players mentioned above (using their real name), but anyway IMO at least 1 player (not me :)) in FICGS team does not use his real name too, moreover a few players in our team still have a provisional or under-estimated rating... Any player can start with a 1600 rating here if he does not mention his FIDE rating, so the same for IGAME players. This is part of the challenge, so let's just play :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-28 04:49:33)
Joop van Oosterom, ICCF world champion
Oops, he did it again :)
Dutch GM Joop van Oosterom won the 21st ICCF final ! .. In three participations in ICCF world championship final tournaments, he came 2nd in Final 15 (+8 -1 =6, after GM Timmerman), 1st in Final 18 (+8 =6), 1st in Final 21 (+7 -1 =6).
Joop van Oosterom is also ranked 1st on the ICCF elo list with 2770 (207 games), an enormous achievement for sure !
More about ICCF world championship Final XXI :
http://www.iccf-webchess.com/EventCrossTable.aspx?id=5952
Also congratulations to Arno Nickel for beating the world champion in this tournament (!) .. I'd like much to see the game (is it possible ?)... The "other one" in Final 15 where GM Timmerman beats GM van Oosterom to take the title was very impressive.
Garvin Gray (2007-06-28 06:10:18)
board orders
Hello,
I have a real problem with the board orders that igame have put in.
Why is a 2200 elo player on board 25 for igame.
I was not aware that this team match was going to be played in this fashion. I thought it was a simple principle that both sides play in roughly rating order.
Not impressed at all!
If igame wants to win that badly that they are playing one of their best players on the bottom board, they can have two wins right now as far as I am concerned.
Alexander Shalamanov (2007-06-28 08:35:41)
FICGS Chess World Championship
Hello dear chessfriends,
I regret to inform all of you that, due to lack of time because of my involvement in the Russian Team Cup Final and a lot of time needed to analyse my remaining games there, I find it utterly impossible to play in the global championship on this server. I have to make this move reluctantly, but the circumstances are above me. I might return back later when I have more free time. Hopefully, you will understand why I took this decision.
Amici sumus!
Alexander
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-06-28 13:40:40)
Thinking in decades of moves
There are many specialists here who are thinking in decades of moves. I mean not the extreme of this, Dinesh, but many other players do it in a moderate way. I accept in principle that it is more effective to use to full capacity of thinking time, because there is a chance, that some players will forfeit in that more time. I think in WCH-Cycle it is much better, because there is no period to control as every move. Perhaps it will be better, if this method can transfused to all other tournaments without changing the average total time for all different types of tournament we have. Just a question.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-28 17:03:48)
Longer time control
Ok ! ... I don't think the 40/+40 days per 10 moves should disappear but true, 40/+4 or 30/+3 days per move could be a good time control, maybe less stressful. Anyway, I'm still thinking about to add a category with longer time controls, maybe 50/+5 or 60/+6 days per move (not before september). Feel free if you have any suggestion.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-28 17:15:58)
Next stages
Stage 3 chess WCH 1 : startdate 2007 july ~ 7
Stage 2 chess WCH 2 : startdate 2007 july ~ 7
Stage 1 chess WCH 3 : startdate 2007 july ~ 7
Many games to start at the same time :)
Vadim Khachaturov (2007-06-28 22:44:14)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Dan, Your opponent uses nickname filler on IGAME.RU. His rating is 2241. One of the lowest in their team.Here is his stats : win 18 draw 8 lost 1.
Dan Rotaru (2007-06-29 00:20:31)
FICGS vs. IGAME.RU
Thanks Vadim, My opponent already provided me this information which is very nice of him. So let's forget about all the fuss in this thread and let's play some good games.
Ivan Zarullin (2007-06-29 11:06:24)
russian norms and titles
Dear Thibault, you can find russian national chess norms at http://www.rossport.ru/pdf/chess.xls.
E.g., to become a national master a russian player have to reach 2450 ELO and to accomplish IM norm, or to win World\Europe Championship U16 or U18.
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2007-06-29 20:48:01)
Go sites
For fast games, a "real time" server is best, e.g. KGS (http://www.gokgs.com/).
A great resource is the Go wiki at http://senseis.xmp.net/
Thibault de Vassal (2007-06-30 01:31:59)
SmartGo
You mean that's your username ? :) .. Is "advanced Go" popular in real-time play ?
Charlie Neil (2007-06-30 09:26:19)
Cheering on Ficgs!
Hi, go to Tournaments, then Special Tournaments, then Ficgs Special Events and there is the Ficgs vs IGame match. There is one King's Gambit already! This is brave play in a strong match or not? Who needs sites covering matches and tournaments elsewhere when we can stay here and cheer on our own players against this strong team. "C'mon Ficgs! Check every move twice and again before sending. Take your time. Good luck!" Unfortunately we cannot pass comment of any kind on any of the games in progress. Rules forbid it...There must be somehow home advantage can count.
Amir Bagheri (2007-06-30 14:02:02)
Newsletter and Blog Recruitment
I am trying to set up a Newsletter. This would be an excellent way to spread news amongst ourselves. This newsletter targets primarily The Chess corner Members however I would like to create a column dedicated to the FICGS Members a bit like a gossip page or anything that you would like to share. This Newsletter will be distributed to all my members and to FICGS Member that wishes to receive it
To do so I require help from you all
we are actively looking for
1) writters
2) editors
3) researchers
4) Designers
To express your interest, please go to www.chesscorner.com and fill up the application form. For those of you wiling to help us please bare in mind that I will create a forum where you could share ideas and opinion it is therefore essential that you register on The Chess Corner. All authors will be acknowleged and credit will be given.
If you want to help but reckon that a Newsletter maybe a bit out of your league, we are looking for some enthusiasts to look after the Blog.
The Blog
Regards
Amir Bagheri (GM)
PS I welcome all comments
http://www.thechesscorner.com
http://thechesscorner.blogspot.com/
Dinesh De Silva (2007-06-30 14:18:41)
Re:
Amir! Best regards on the project. It's a long time since we last heard from you here. I guess you've been busy the last few months taking part in o.t.b. tournaments. Hope things are going well for you.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-06-30 19:45:47)
Searching for opponents.
I offer to play Lightning Silver Blitz now.
If anyone want to defend those openings, write. And we will find time for our game.
Wishes of happiness. :)
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-07-01 15:48:37)
Re
These are times of glory, old lines will be refuted, new systems will be invented and the games will be used as examples in the opening books to come, and we will have the right to say " We were there!!!"
Garvin Gray (2007-07-02 18:12:51)
suggestion for send button
Not really a time control suggestion, but it seems to be the closest related thread.
When playing lightning and blitz games on here, it would be helpful if the send move button was located directly under the game board, instead of having to scroll down quite a bit to send a move.
Having to scroll down when in time trouble can cost a few precious seconds, which adds up to quite a bit when done over many moves.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-07-02 18:22:50)
Too fast
10+20 is a timing where a strong engine playing alone with a good book is unbeatable.
No time left for creative human added value ...
That's the reason why Freestyle tournaments on Playchess recently evolved from an initial 45 min + 5 sec/move to a slower timing (60 min + 15 sec/move)
I am pretty convinced that at 10 min + 20 sec increment the one with the most powerful computer will win for sure...
Marc
PS for a mean 60 moves game, 10+20 is equivalent to 30 seconds per move.
Freestyle tempo (60+15) gives a mean 75 seconds per move.
Mladen Jankovic (2007-07-03 13:08:47)
Small board variations
I know that on this site people tend to talk much about large board variants, but, recently I have gained an interest in small board variants.
The reason is simple. They are fun!
I'm interested in the experiences of other members.
I've so far played only Los Alamos Chess. About 30 games. They were simply fun, regardless of winning or loosing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_chess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minichess
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-04 11:21:08)
send button
Quite true... It's a long time I have to think about this problem.
I'll try another display in a while.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-04 11:31:09)
tie breaks + time controls
Garvin, I'll look at this question deeperly soon... Thx !
Marc, I quite agree, on the other hand it takes some time to operate the computer, a good chess player may be "also" required in such games, that would be interesting. Anyway, it would be hard to use longer time controls in a 1-day tournament. Less than 20 seconds per move would be hard with the current interface... How many days a playchess freestyle tournament takes ?
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-07-05 10:20:45)
Thibault de Pierrefeu
Rodolfo I don't think so: From my some discussions with him is clear that his chess knowledges are much bigger than from just engines.
Just the question is staying, why is he doing so mystically about his own foretime of chess?
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-07-06 15:30:28)
Olivier Simon
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Nick Burrows (2007-07-09 09:21:28)
link
Yes, thanks for the link Sergey! It makes it much easier to skim through the games.
Also thanks for creating such a great match, it's nice in such an individual game to play for a team...
Thomas Tamayo (2007-07-10 00:05:19)
I play Real Life games
I mostly play IRL at clubs and tournaments. I need to drive about an hour for a quarterly tournament in Boston.
I used to play on KGS, Dragon (PBM), and Little Golem (PBM)... they're all blocked at work now (no lunch playing) and I don't have a lot of free time at home. So I also play a lot at FICGS.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-07-10 11:11:52)
FICGS Data base of Games
Is there a searchable database of games on FICGS? How can I search for games by a particular player? Compliments to Thibault on an excellent site.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-07-11 14:04:49)
Re:
I doubt it.......I'm fast asleep.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The only one who's almost always awake is Ilmars. Let's tell him to wake us all up when the tourney starts.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-11 14:15:13)
:o)
You're chess machines :)
Now making the pairings... I was a bit too optimistic about july 7.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-11 14:24:13)
A clockwork orange
Olivier Simon is "Alex" in this other 'A clockwork orange' :) .. "Orange mécanique" is the french title translation, but not the real title. This is not exactly a parody of the Stanley Kubrick's one.
A french (good) chess player is also named Olivier Simon... well tried but I'm not Olivier Simon... did you see a trailer for that (my 2nd) movie ? :)
Dinesh De Silva (2007-07-13 04:48:27)
A certain email chess website.....
Dear chess friends,
I want to bring to your attention that there's a certain chess website (which plays only by email) of a certain South American country where the main Arbitor who owns the website cheats and favours certain players in a world championship final. Playing there is at your own risk.
1.He protects certain players by saving them when they even have stepped the time limit twice. (He cunningly sends the game into adjudication etc., instead of dealing with the proof).
2.When requesting that an opponent should provide email proof in certain critical situations, he protects them by refusing that at all times.
3.He blames the persons who make a claim by saying "Don't Be Rude!", instead of taking action against those who clearly break rules.
4.The website keeps popping in and out on the internet, and the website says its under construction most of the time!
5.He does not send monthly reports to players.
6.He does not show finished games.
7.He stays silent for months and says he has lost files due to a virus.
8.He does not include some finished games in some reports.
9.At least 3 other players have already withdrawn from the tourney.
10.He has extended the tourney twice already! obviously trying to favour his favourite playes who are very slow players to climb up in the list.
Pathetic!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-14 02:57:01)
Rybka vs. Ehlvest (2nd)
A new 6-games match occured during july 2007 between the latest version of Rybka and GM Ehlvest with some "advantages" given to the human. One more time, Rybka convincingly won the match : 4,5-1,5
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1614
Well, not so bad after Kramnik's 4-2 loss vs. Deep Fritz... Help, we need help :)
Dinesh De Silva (2007-07-14 03:59:29)
Re:
Yes, we need help, big time!..... a chip in the brain perhaps. Haha!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-14 14:10:43)
Rybka vs. Human
That's a quite pessimistic vision of chess today, but maybe I'm too optimistic yet :)
In my opinion it would be interesting to see this kind of match with longer time controls... maybe 30 minutes + 30 minutes / move. The human play could be much more organized and secure, with less time pressure.
Wayne Lowrance (2007-07-14 18:10:06)
It is a clone
If it looks like a fish, smells like a fish, acts like a fish, it is a FISH. The topic has not gone away, not for a long time. He reversed engineered Rybka 1, period. We will watch it's progress. :)
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2007-07-14 18:37:07)
It is a clone 2.
The following is just one of many close observations. There are so many documentations I would not try to sum them up. :)
The main problem is identical or almost identical analysis both in evaluation and search.
Studying rybka's output in order to improve your evaluation(assuming rybka has better evaluation) make sense but even in that case I do not expect a program to have identical evaluation to rybka even in situations when it does not make sense to have evaluation that is different than 0 as King against king.
Rybka tries to hide her evaluation but not writing output at small depth and this is the reason that I am basically interested in analysis of fortress
positions because in fortress positions the evaluation is partially exposed.
It is logical to learn from this experience of analysing fortress position and get evaluation that is more similiar to rybka but having evaluation that is totally identical in more than one case does not make sense and it cannot be an accident and the problem is not only identical evaluation but also identical search in many positions as evidence proved and even if the evaluation is different I can find the same patterns in the score changes.
This can happen only with copying code and it cannot happen without cloning.
The programmer of strelka did not understand rybka's code otherwise he could avoid the same bugs.
Same pattern of drop in the evaluation score when you have a queen.
This pattern is also in old strelka.
Why does it happen?
Note that no other program that I know shows drop in evaluation for white by more than 3 pawns.
Strelka's score drops from
+- (12.53) in depth 6 to 8.50 in depth 7
Rybka's score drops from 12.34 pawns in depth 4 to 8.37 pawns at depth 5
I find this compelling, if you understand it
Wayne
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 09:29:04)
Rybka vs. Human
Conversely, computers, or AI in general, are still very primitive with regards to activities that are simple for a four year old to conduct, such as shape and speech recognition.
I agree with Utesch, there is no point in losing any sleep over the increasing improvement of computers in chess. We need not be in competition with them.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-15 14:17:47)
Rybka vs. Human
Hello Jason.
You are right, but I doubt this "war" will end soon. Unlike pure calculation, chess is a symbol of intelligence, even if it's said to be pure calculation since Deep Blue won the match over Kasparov 10 years ago. It will be always possible to draw against the best computers, so there will always be challengers to try to equalize in a match against the king Rybka or any other super-calculator. Some will succeed, undoubtly... That's a question of time. And they will be chess heroes :)
About Go, the same cars on another circuit are not so successful, so why not to continue the race championsip anyway ? .. There is life, so there's hope... :)
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-07-15 15:24:42)
pattern recognition = intelligence?
Best skill for (OTB-)chess is pattern recognition and very hard drill of playing. Not much time for learning other important skills beside!
Nick Burrows (2007-07-15 17:29:31)
intelligence
We see with Aspergers syndrome or autistic savantes super human levels of 'intelligennce' yet at the same time they cannot understand very basic social rules that we take for granted.
A champion chess player such as Fisher shares great similarities with a savante. A very narrow intelligence of great depth.
There are many forms of intelligence. What of Luther-king, Ghandi or Lennon?
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 18:24:07)
Rybka vs. Human
I just find it quite amusing how some 1900 chess player with no medical degree feels himself qualified to sum up Fischer in a few sentences with some pop psychology labels.
Also, I don't know what you're trying to prove by mentioning Luther-King, Ghandi, etc. They were famous people who were extremely influential in their time. They were certainly no dummies, but I don't know if they had a 180 IQs.
I would mention people like Tesla, Jung, and Von Braun for examples of extremely intelligent people from the past.
Nick Burrows (2007-07-15 19:04:34)
Fisher
Oh abrasive Dr Repa,
Your proof of Fishers intelligence were the accomplishments of winning some games and designing a chess clock.
It is my opinion that liberating a sub-continent from imperial rule is a much greater accomplishment.
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 19:45:58)
Rybka vs. Human
"I am low graded. I don't have a degree. I am a little character, pretending to be educated. i can't spell. I need my hand holding. i have no attention span. i make sill comments."
All of those statements are true, and in fact most of them can be proven by the information contained in this thread. The one exception, the low grade, can be confirmed by a simple google search showing all the under 100 bcf (under 1700 uscf).
I wasn't the one trying to prop myself up with alot of psuedo-intellectual psychobabble burrows....you were. I never said a word about myself here so don't start telling lies again. We were discussing Fischer. Unlike you, I don't need to drop pop psych. terms in internet forums to try to impress people. I know what my level of intelligence and education is.
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 19:59:20)
Rybka vs. Human
Wolfgang, YOU cool down.
I never specified any "devoutness" to IQ definition but as I said, it appears you're a bit confused as to what IQ is. You seem to think it has something to do with social skills, or other miscellaneous skills. But we've been over this already. You should have caught on by now.
Social "intelligence", survival ability, etc, are examples of skills, not intelligence. According to your logic, or more precisely, your lack of logic, a world-class yo yo expert has an IQ of 180, a world-class rock climber has an IQ of 180, etc. Heck, anyone who is good at anything has an IQ of 180.
Is some of this starting to sink in yet?
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 20:12:13)
Bobby Fischer's IQ
"In previous writings I have cited Fischer's I.Q. as in the range of 180, a very high genius. My source of information is impeccable: a highly regarded political scientist who coincidentally happened to be working in the grade adviser's office at Erasmus Hall - Bobby Fischer's high school in Brooklyn - at the time Fischer was a student there. He had the opportunity to study Fischer's personal records and there is no reason to believe his figure is inaccurate. Some critics have claimed that other teachers at Erasmus Hall at that time remember the figure to be much lower; but who the teachers are and what figures they remember have never been made clear."
The Chess of Bobby Fischer
(c) 1975 by Frank Brady
http://bobbyfischer.net/bobby02.html
Nick Burrows (2007-07-15 20:29:03)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence
Are there other forms of intellingence independant of having a high IQ? Or are they simply 'skills'?
How about...
1. Linguistic intelligence involving sensitivity to spoken and written language, the ability to learn languages, and the capacity to use language to accomplish certain goals. This intelligence includes the ability to effectively use language to express oneself rhetorically or poetically; and language as a means to remember information. Writers, poets, lawyers and speakers are among those that
2. Logical-mathematical intelligence consisting of the capacity to analyze problems logically, carry out mathematical operations, and investigate issues scientifically. This entails the ability to detect patterns, reason deductively and think logically. This intelligence is most often associated with scientific and mathematical thinking.
3. Musical intelligence involving skill in the performance, composition, and appreciation of musical patterns. It encompasses the capacity to recognize and compose musical pitches, tones, and rhythms.
4. Bodily-kinesthetic intelligence entailing the potential of using one's whole body or parts of the body to solve problems. It is the ability to use mental abilities to coordinate bodily movements.
5. Spatial intelligence involving the potential to recognize and use the patterns of wide space and more confined areas.
6. Interpersonal intelligence is concerned with the capacity to understand the intentions, motivations and desires of other people. It allows people to work effectively with others. Educators, salespeople, religious and political leaders and counsellors all need a well-developed interpersonal intelligence.
7. Intrapersonal intelligence entails the capacity to understand oneself, to appreciate one's feelings, fears and motivations.
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 20:45:57)
Hillarious!
This is your "argument"? You copy and paste some drivel where they seem to substitute the word "skill" with "intelligence", or perhaps you did that.
You don't provide any sources or qualifications of the author whatsoever.
This is too entertaining and unbelievable to make up!!
in a statement signed by 52 psychologists, published in the December 13, 1994 Wall Street Journal
"1. Intelligence exists as a very general mental capability involving ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. The brain processes involved are little understood.
2. Intelligence can be measured, and IQ tests measure it well. Nonverbal tests can be used where language skills are weak.
3. IQ tests are not culturally biased.
4. IQ is more strongly related than any other measurable human trait to educational, occupational, economic, and social outcomes. Whatever it is that IQ tests measure, it is very important.
5. Genetics plays a bigger role than environment in intelligence, but environment has a strong effect.
6. Individuals are not born with an unchangeable IQ, but it gradually stabilizes during childhood and changes little thereafter."
I think 52 psychologists might be a bit more qualified than the random blog where you copied and pasted from.
Nick Burrows (2007-07-15 20:57:58)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence
I believe that autistic savants or chess geniuses such as Fisher have an exremely advanced logical-mathematical intelligence, often to the detriment of other skills and forms of intelligence
I believe that great human beings who positively affect the lives of millions - such as Gandi - have a morerounded intelligence, rather than one that is exclusively focused in one narrow field.
Jason Repa (2007-07-15 21:04:02)
facts vs fiction
burrows, I backed up my posts with references and sources that are qualified to make such claims. You're just copying and pasting the first internet blog contents that suit your fancy.
I'm beginning to understand why you're an under 100 bcf grade.
Nick Burrows (2007-07-15 21:09:54)
IQ vs Multple Intelligence
I'm trying to discuss content. You seem to wish to argue about credibility and references.
And yet again you bring up chess grades, In one moment you chastise Wolfgang that they prove nothing, now you are claiming greater intelligence due toa higher grade?!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-16 13:54:06)
Dead Man's Attack
Finally, it didn't work... After more than 40 days with less than 9 hours (then 4 hours) at his clock, Dinesh easily reached the time control at move 40 !
Do you ever sleep, Dinesh ? :)
Wayne Lowrance (2007-07-16 20:28:55)
simply fascinating reading
wayne
Dinesh De Silva (2007-07-17 04:53:18)
Re:
Haha! Good point! I actually do sleep. In the game you refer to, I was actually lucky to make the time control. Nevertheless, I had earlier lost a few games due to sleep! as I sometimes missed moves by a mere few seconds to time control. Some of those games I had some good positions Anyway, the main thing here is I enjoy my games win, draw or lose.
Garvin Gray (2007-07-17 09:52:11)
Game sorting
Currently on the game page, the order of the games is shown from oldest created game to newest created game.
I would like the ability to show the games in terms of least amount of days till time out, where the game with the shortest number of days till time out is at the top of the list.
It would be even better if there was a way to show only the games where it is your turn to move.
Garvin Gray (2007-07-17 10:39:00)
why
Why do you allow yourself to get into such time trouble?
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-07-19 06:43:54)
DMD / DMA
Imagine a DMA / DMD thematic tournament ...
Don Groves (2007-07-20 07:43:36)
Go ratings
Hi WIlliam --
To convert from ELO to dan/kyu simply compare the ELO rating to 2100. ELO 400 corresponds to 17 kyu; ELO 1100 corresponds to 10 kyu; ELO 2100 corresponds to 1 dan; ELO 2400 corresponds to 3 dan; etc.
Robert Mueller (2007-07-20 15:21:14)
Bobby Fischer
Very interesting reading, indeed. I like the story about the phone call with the Islandic girl.
What I admire most about Fischer is, that he made chess interesting for the whole world in a time when it was dominated very much by the Russians (or Soviets).
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-07-24 02:14:01)
2200
I like you, Jason Repa. Now I have good stimulus. :)
I need to overreach this limit to play against Jason. :)
Jason, do you agree to post both our one minute games here. I don't understand how to get PGN from all cb* and others strange files. :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-07-24 02:21:03)
Second possibility...
... is to get to next stages of FICGS championship and meet him. I will try.
Thank you for adding more merriment in my life, Jason. :)
Jason Repa (2007-07-24 03:29:32)
.pgn vs .cbh
The modern chessbase format is .cbh. It has special formatting to provide extra indexing functionality and information such as timestamps. The old chessbase format is A .pgn file is simply a text file that contains a header and a chess game in standard modern algebraic notation. Remove the formatting from a .cbh, save it as *.pgn and, viola you have a .pgn file.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-25 14:22:17)
Too early
Hi Garvin. Yes, an easier way to buy E-points should be available already (Moneybookers will remain the cheapest one anyway) but there's a new delay... Also I did not have time enough to promote this tournament, so I'll have to change the date :/ .. E-Points will be given back.
Garvin Gray (2007-07-26 05:01:18)
too fast, too hard
I have a recommendation that the time control be extended. 10 min + 20 secs is too short.
I played one game with this time control to try it out and found that it just felt like a 5 min blitz game, especially since we have to scroll down to confirm our moves.
I agree that another way has to be found to allow people to put money into their accounts. It took me three days because I had to wait for notification of the exact euro amount.
If I wasnt keen on entering the freestyle cup, I probably would not have bothered.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-26 12:27:10)
Changes
I suppose there could be another time control for this tournament, maybe 30 minutes + 15 seconds... 6 or 7 rounds to be played during a single day. Any idea ?
Garvin Gray (2007-07-28 03:58:25)
Rapid tournament games
I would like to propose a change to the rapid tournament time control.
Currently it is 30 days plus 1 day per move.
From the games I have been playing on here under this time control, I have noticed that as soon as you get to about 20 days left, it seems very difficult to get any higher than 20 days or so.
When you have a few games with this amount of time, it feels like not much time left at all.
I would like to propose that a new time control be made of 20 days plus 3 days per move. This still guarantees that a player will have 3 days to think of a move regardless of how many initial days they have used up.
Garvin Gray (2007-07-28 04:47:26)
a new time control perhaps
Well it could be for a new set of general tournaments with different rating bands than the current ones.
Perhaps a wider rating band to provide opportunities for more opportunities to play different people.
We shall see what Thibault says.
Jason Repa (2007-07-28 09:43:19)
Wolfgang
I think it's time for you to take your medication gramps. You're getting delirious again.
Nick Burrows (2007-07-28 14:47:31)
Mr Repa laughs out loud to himself
Oh wise leader Repa, once again the translucent light that is your piercing intelligence shines for us all to follow
You are the first person to ever share a game in the forum. I have never done it before.
Whatever makes you feel superior, my emotionally undeveloped friend.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-28 15:12:08)
Rapid tournaments
It seems this time control is ok for most players who use it (sometimes even too slow yet)... If you feel it's difficult, more reasonable would be to play standard class tournaments.
Still thinking about a longer time control.
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-07-28 15:21:16)
lol
Hi Thibault, I know I should be more wise because of my old age. But sometimes I can't hold on me! :-)
Jason Repa (2007-07-28 22:22:45)
Wolfgang
Wisdom doesn't necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.
Tom Watson
Jason Repa (2007-07-28 22:58:56)
A Better question
Is it possible that burrows tries to fashion himself a psychologist even though he has neither the education, training, nor anywhere near the intelligence required for such a vocation because he is attempting to resolve his own deep-seated psycho-pathological issues?
Garvin Gray (2007-07-29 07:40:12)
another idea
Thibault de Vassal- It seems this time control is ok for most players who use it (sometimes even too slow yet)... If you feel it's difficult, more reasonable would be to play standard class tournaments.
Another suggestion is that I make sure I play the opening moves of any rapid game rather quickly, so I dont get into time trouble early :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-30 23:19:04)
Rapid tournaments
:-)
Anyway this time control is quite difficult IMO.
About rating bands, unrated and WCH tournaments are a way for players with different ratings to meet themselves.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-07-31 00:06:28)
September 9
The new date is september 9... I hope I'll have more time to prepare that tournament.
Sorry for the delay.
Ivan Pljusnin (2007-08-03 14:06:28)
My offer
I offer to play some interesting chess matches between strong igame player Sex_God and his enemies.
1. Sex_God - --- [moderator : name deleted], his would-be killer.
2. Sex_God - Sergey Pligin, who did not let him play in the igame team because of the conflict with --- [moderator : name deleted].
3. It is also interesting to see the match Sex_God - some strong player from ficgs. If Sex_God had stayed in the igame team, this match would have already started.
Best wishes, Mobutu (on igame) aka Ivan Pljusnin (here)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-04 15:28:42)
Algorithm
Is there such an algorithm for checkers ?? .. Waiting for the one for chess. Impressive!
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-08-05 13:07:27)
"GO"
Go has 2 small board variants.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-05 13:12:04)
Unrated
Cause many strong players from Igame started with a 1600 rating... (it would have been unfair to play rated 2 games matches IMO)
Mladen Jankovic (2007-08-06 00:06:41)
Algorithm
It seems to be implemented with Chinook. It offers perfect play. Like when knowing the solution to tic-tac-toe, play is perfect.
Garvin Gray (2007-08-07 18:32:38)
Challenge game
I would like to make some arrangements to play a game of FICGS__CHESS__BLITZ_SILVER__000002
if someone is interested. Please just reply to this post to start arranging a time.
Sergei Ivanov (2007-08-08 10:23:10)
curator
It is very sad, that a known chess player threatens to kill the person. The application for murder needs to be transferred in court, it is impossible to disregard such things.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-08-08 15:55:11)
Re
Just curiosity, how many IM and GM are killed every year?
Adkham Yunusov (2007-08-08 16:52:45)
-
You didn't understand. Some paranoiacs are killed every year by IM or GM
Artur Saigakov (2007-08-08 23:13:50)
Re
Hello! Please, calm down! I am a command captain on the site
of igame.ru of which --- [moderator : name deleted] consisted before.
I'm sorry my English is terrible!
Paulina and Sex-god (SG) are one person which thus make his
own PR and shows the personal offense to --- [moderator : name deleted].
--- [moderator : name deleted] anyway is not connected with drugs, he simply
played in my command. I want to underline that my command is
AGAINST drugs! Name of command - STOP Narkotics! Motto of our
command you can read on igame.ru :
"" If you found forces, or search it to give up drugs, this
command is for you! This command exists for everybody who
gives the vote for nature, for peace, for understanding of
our existence, for light ideas, for helping each other, for
healthy children and their parents!""
--- [moderator : name deleted] never was drug addict but he just agreed with a
command idea.
He is 17 years old, he is IM, that's why he was taken in
command of igame, and SG wasn't included. SG said that he
is gay, then added to the repertoire a word is a drug addict.
certainly, he was offended and he said that he would beat
SG or he would ask somebody to do it
It is not serious, but I think that this fight wouldn't stop
even after this speech.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-08-09 06:51:22)
Real names in chess websites
I have some critical suggestions:
1. Chess websites should allow players only to play under their REAL NAMES. Using any nicknames or fake names should be prohibited, as it leads to all sorts of confusion at one point or another.
2. In chess websites, whenever a question of which player to give captaincy arrives, the highest rated player should always be given first choice, UNLESS that player declines or that player has been proven to have broken rules or rules state a specific way of choosing a captain.
3. In chess websites, accusations against any player should be rejected IF there is no clear proof.
4. Players who still continue abusing each other after some warnings should be disqualified/thrown out. There should be no favourations whatsoever.
5. When awarding titles, it should be clearly stated from where the title was earned fom. For example, if a player gets an IM title at Igame, it should be stated as Igame IM.
Ivan Pljusnin (2007-08-09 18:58:05)
2 Rodolfo d Ettorre
"I van see IGame is a big happy family ..."
The forum of igame is very popular. Some topics there contain several thousands responses and more than 100000 views. Sometimes murders of igame chessplayers are discussed, it usually makes a topic very popular. Unfortunately, some moderators do not like that, and most interesting authors are banned. :-(
Jason Repa (2007-08-09 21:18:31)
real names
I like your idea, and agree. But don't you think it would be a formidable task to authenticate people? The poker sites sometimes get people to fax in a copy of their ID, but that might be a bit difficult to get chess players to do.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-10 19:12:21)
Clock ?
I didn't look at the position, but it is also possible that Black lost on time...
Ivan Pljusnin (2007-08-10 01:06:34)
2 Dinesh De Silva
As an IGAME player I express my opinion. Everything is not so simple!
1. Some strong chessplayers like Morozevich on ICC would not like to show their real names. Should they all be driven away from all chess cites? I am not sure. :-)
2. Your rating-leader is Viktor Savinov, he have not played a single game here. Our rating-leader is Polina. Are you sure that they should be the captains of our teams?
3,4. Legendary chessplayers like Viktor Kortchnoj or Bobby Fischer are sometimes abusive. But I am not sure that they should be driven away.
5. There is no any titles on IGAME. We are anonymous Russian amateours.
In general, I think that chess cites of all kinds are necessary and useful. And a chessplayer must have a choice: FICGS, IGAME, ICCF, GAMEKNOT, PLAYCHESS.DE, CHESSHERE and so on. Each cite has its own customs and traditions.
By the way, it makes matches between them more interesting. I believe in IGAME anonymous fighters. :-)
Best wishes, Mobutu (my IGAME nickname)
Artur Saigakov (2007-08-10 07:54:07)
Re
Eto i est polnaia 4uw. Dokazatelstv nikakix - krome virezok iz foruma i po4ti.
--- [moderator : name deleted] slu4aino natknulsa (possorilsa) na gruppu ludei v internete, kotorie svoe delo znaiut:
1/ Oni umelo podtasovivaiut fakti
2/ Zadevaiut 4eloveka za zgivoe
3/ S celiu vigodi na4inaiut luboi konflict
4/ Megdu soboi obwaiutsa na otdelnom skritom forume
5/ Vsia4eskii podrivaiut reputaciy IGAME iz za togo 4to im ne nravitsa administracia igame i mnogie igroki igame.
6/ Oni zanimaiutsa priamim vreditelstvom na igame. Zabivaiut pustimi soobweniami forum. Zavodiat mnogo nikov i tormaziat turtiri. Zavodiat temi na forume 4to-bi posorit ludei. Izdevaiutsa nad slabimi waxmatistami i MNOGOE drugoe.
7/ Sami oni narkomani i alkogoliki i NE imeiut waxmatnix zvanii FIDE - igraiut tolko v advancechess.
No nesmotria na etu malo4islennuiu gruppu zlonravnix ludei - IGAME.RU zame4atelnii sait s UIMOI zame4atelnix ludei. Za plusami igame mogno zaprosto ne zametit minusov, a negativnaia reklama - toge REKLAMA.
Artur Saigakov (2007-08-10 07:58:10)
Re
Eto i est polnaia 4uw. Dokazatelstv nikakix - krome virezok iz foruma i po4ti.
--- [moderator : name deleted] slu4aino natknulsa (possorilsa) na gruppu ludei v internete, kotorie svoe delo znaiut:
1/ Oni umelo podtasovivaiut fakti
2/ Zadevaiut 4eloveka za zgivoe
3/ S celiu vigodi na4inaiut luboi konflict
4/ Megdu soboi obwaiutsa na otdelnom skritom forume
5/ Vsia4eskii podrivaiut reputaciy IGAME iz za togo 4to im ne nravitsa administracia igame i mnogie igroki igame.
6/ Oni zanimaiutsa priamim vreditelstvom na igame. Zabivaiut pustimi soobweniami forum. Zavodiat mnogo nikov i tormaziat turtiri. Zavodiat temi na forume 4to-bi posorit ludei. Izdevaiutsa nad slabimi waxmatistami i MNOGOE drugoe.
7/ Sami oni narkomani i alkogoliki i NE imeiut waxmatnix zvanii FIDE - igraiut tolko v advancechess.
Artur Saigakov (2007-08-10 07:58:31)
Re
No nesmotria na etu malo4islennuiu gruppu zlonravnix ludei - IGAME.RU zame4atelnii sait s UIMOI zame4atelnix ludei. Za plusami igame mogno zaprosto ne zametit minusov, a negativnaia reklama - toge REKLAMA.
Charlie Neil (2007-08-10 19:06:19)
Real Names
"Play the board not the man!" Is that not an old proverb? I play on another site, (or two) under a nickname. Chess should be fun and then a serious sport/game/art/science, Morozevitch and those like him play on those sites for 'fun'. And they relish the anonymity. Every large tournament will see a corner occupied with players having 'fun' blitz games between rounds. Legends such as M Tal, Karpov even Fischer had their 'fun' games. (Sorry for calling Tolya a Legend, but he is a living legend.) We all come here for our own reasons but mostly to play chess, (and Go) We know when we sign up here it must be on our real names. What's the problem? Some Websites charge a Fee, ICC for example. Ficgs doesn't.
Sergei Ivanov (2007-08-10 10:46:17)
Ilmars
That it will kill --- [moderator : name deleted]'s message of Dmitry, has been placed at a forum:
http: // igt.forum24.ru
It is a forum of command Igame, he closed.
The given message was seen all command Igame.
After the message on murder - captain Igame, has requested acknowledgement of the person who promised to kill Dmitry, that the given message was written by --- [moderator : name deleted] and has received the certificate of master FIDE IM --- [moderator : name deleted].
So there are no doubts, that chess player --- [moderator : name deleted] threatened to kill Dmitry.
Sergei Ivanov (2007-08-10 10:49:31)
Translit
Soobwenie --- [moderator : name deleted] chto on ub'et Dmitrija, bylo razmeweno na forume:
http://igt.forum24.ru
JEto forum komandy Igejm, on zakrytyj.
Dannoe soobwenie videla vsja komanda Igame.
Posle soobwenija ob ubijstve - kapitan Igame, zaprosil u cheloveka, kotoryj obewal ubit' Dmitrija, podtverzhdenie, chto dannoe soobwenie napisal imenno --- [moderator : name deleted] i poluchil svidetel'stvo mastera FIDE na imja --- [moderator : name deleted].
Tak chto net nikakih somnenij, chto l'vovskij shahmatist --- [moderator : name deleted] ugrozhal ubit' Dmitrija.
Ivan Pljusnin (2007-08-10 16:21:13)
IGAME ratings
Polina is not published in IGAME rating-list because she has finished her last game more than three months ago. Here is her last game:
http://www.igame.ru/chess/gm.htm?gid=350240
Full IGAME rating-list looks as follows:
1. Polina (2536)
2. curator (2513)
3. GipsyFlame (2495, plays as Sergey Pligin)
4. Mobutu (2476, = Pljusnin Ivan)
5. Many (2475)
6. Sex_God (2463)
7. abc0123 (2461)
8. owl (2461, plays as Dojnikov)
9. klio (2457)
10. Vovanchiki (2455, plays as Kim Vladimir)
...
I do not think that IGAME ratings show real chess strength. For example, Polina and Many haven't played any games with serious opponents. curator, abc0123 and some other players have high ratings because they have finished many hundreds games. And some really strong players have comparatively low ratings. For example, our first board in the team, Vladimir_Lenin (=GM Andrey Sumets) has IGAME rating 2403, #35 in the full rating-list.
Garvin Gray (2007-08-10 17:24:11)
time difference
Would you like to set a time Ilmars and we can start haggling?
I live in Brisbane Australia if you need to make some time conversions. Remember the game could take hours, so be kind.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-10 19:32:03)
Lots of fun...
Hello to all.
It seems this thread is still quite active.. but as everyone understood, there is no need to add to the provocation ;) .. If IM --- [moderator : name deleted] wants some accusations to be deleted, he can just ask me...
Reminder : Don't forget that the law also applies on the internet.
Reminder : Please speak english only on this forum.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-10 21:29:49)
Hiarcs forum
After the successful Rybka forum - http://rybkaforum.net (about 20,000 posts in a few months), I just discovered the HIARCS forum... Let's hope that Hiarcs chess engine will improve the same way thanks to these new forums - http://www.hiarcs.net/forums
--- (2007-08-10 22:34:03)
to Thibault de Vassal
Hello, Thibault.
1) Thibault, I am a professional chess-player.
I do not have a necessity to put to death anybody! :-)
You can talk with a captain is Sergey Pligin – he will confirm.
You can talk with the administrator of site http://igame.ru/ – Dmitriy Matrosov – he will confirm.
You can talk with the representatives of Chess Federation of Ukraine – they will confirm also!
I only want to play a chess - on Your beautiful site!
Do not I know, who such Sergei Ivanov!???
Do not I know, who such Polina Stefanova (or Romanova)!???
It is obvious impostors which have the fictitious names.
I only want to notarize these people, that I am a chess-player, in place of killer!
--- [moderator : name deleted] gets victories in chess games, and does not kill people! :-)
2) Do not I understand also, what these people want от the site of http://www.ficgs.com/?
Did they create this theme, to slander me?
It seemed to me the page of humour at the beginning.
But I see that it tired me already.
I ask you to take measures!
thanks a lot
Vitalii Bocharov (2007-08-10 22:34:42)
+
I have been afflicted, when have seen --- [moderator : name deleted]'s message at a forum: http://igt.forum24.ru in which IM --- [moderator : name deleted] publicly, promised to kill Dmitry. In this case it is necessary to address in court, I the lawyer. Similar cases already were, when a mad star, sentenced to the large penalty and socially useful works - the life of people is more dear than ranks and ratings.
Vitalii Bocharov (2007-08-10 22:56:36)
=
Captain Igame Sergey Pligin will confirm that IM --- [moderator : name deleted] wishes to kill Dmitry.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-11 04:43:43)
Warning : forum rules !
Hello to all.
It is time for this thread to end, so...
Reminder : No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit.
In other words I'll apply the rules letter by letter from now :
ANYONE WHO WILL POST SUCH ACCUSATIONS AGAIN WILL BE BANNED FROM THE SITE.
PS : The name has been deleted in the whole discussion.
Best wishes, Thibault
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-08-11 13:42:50)
Hi!
Post your best times (using server time, of course), Garvin, please.
If I know it some days before, I can play anytime. :)
Garvin Gray (2007-08-12 07:40:21)
time proposal
How about 2007-10-14 10:00:00?
Don Groves (2007-08-12 07:56:45)
IE, yeah right
I'll second that sentiment!
Garvin Gray (2007-08-12 15:35:05)
me black.
I remember us previously playing a game where I was white. So you can be white this time.
Garvin Gray (2007-08-13 11:42:10)
blitz silver time control
I wish to confirm how this time control works:
(time:0 day,02:00:00, increment:0 day,02:00:00/40 moves)
Does this mean that each player receives two hours initial time, then receives another 2 hours after 40 moves, and then receives no more time after that? Which would mean that each side receives 4 hours total and no increment after move 40.
or does it mean:
That each player receives two hours initial time, then receives another 2 hours after 40 moves and then keeps receiving 2 hours after each further 40 moves made?
Marc Lacrosse (2007-08-13 11:53:27)
(Unfair) partial withdrawal
A few weeks ago IM Andrey Vovk had a discussion in the forum with Thibault regarding the fact that he did not wish to play in the new WCH although he had formerly enrolled on the waiting list.
As Thibault confirmed that he had to play in tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M_01__000003, IM Vovk announced that he would forfeit all his games in this tournament.
That's what he seemed to do for more or less 30 days as he let his clock run and so lost five games on time.
Then he seemed to change his mind and began to play in his three remaining games where his flag had not yet fallen.
Although I admit that anybody may decide to play or to resign whenever he wishes, this seems a bit problematic in a qualification tournament : five players got a full point whereas three have to fight one more opponent (and presumably a very strong one)...
For what regards myself I am very happy to play a game against IM Volk but I feel that three of us have not the same chances anymore as the five other ones for qualification ...
I think this situation calls for establishing new rules for qualification tournaments : if a player clearly forfeits a given number of games, then all his games in this tournament should be withdrawn.
Your opinion ?
Marc
Sergei Ivanov (2007-08-13 11:57:51)
Thibault de Vassal
1) "Posting private messages from anyone violates applicable laws."
It was PUBLIC MESSAGE, the message --- [moderator : name deleted] planned murder Dmitry's , saw many people, it has been laid out at forum IM of [moderator : name deleted].
2) "Slander violates applicable laws."
It NOT SLANDER - this TRUTH and it has already confirmed 4 persons.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-13 14:03:37)
Sergei Ivanov
1) I didn't say the contrary about this particular point, actually I don't know anything about it... but some private messages were posted (and of course deleted) during the discussion.
2) I didn't say the contrary about this particular point, actually I don't know anything about it... but there were some slander about drugs, weapons or mafia... no proofs, finally this is definitely the place for such accusations.
WARNING :
Writing the name of the accused player in this thread is a way to accuse him again, it will lead to be suspended during a while.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-13 15:09:50)
blitz time control
"Each player receives two hours initial time, then receives another 2 hours after 40 moves and then keeps receiving 2 hours after each further 40 moves made" is correct.
Garvin Gray (2007-08-13 15:27:50)
new rule wording?
I will admit I didnt reply with the intention of wording a new rule. Was just showing what I thought of the claimed actions.
Current server policy is that any games under 10 moves are not rated. So that seems like a good place to start.
If a player fails to make ten moves in 50 per cent or more of their games in a tournament, they will be withdrawn from that tournament.
The tournament will continue as though the withdrawn player was never part of that tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-13 15:37:07)
New rule
50 or x % is not a solution IMO. So it will happen (with cheating intentions or not) with 40 %, for the same result.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-13 16:46:22)
:)))
Is "pig" offensive in your opinion ? :)
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Ivan Pljusnin (2007-08-13 16:59:33)
2 Thibault, Sergey
"Is "pig" offensive in your opinion ? :)"
Some IGAME players call me "bio-appendage of Fritz", and I am proud of it. Fritz is the greatest! He will tear to pieces everybody!
Frankly speaking, I am not worthy to be His bio-appendage like all other mortals. So I don't mind somebody calling me His pig-headed fan. For me it's rather a compliment. :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-13 17:16:34)
2 Ivan & Sergey
"pig" doesn't look like much "pig-headed fan" IMO... but of course I may be wrong :)
Anyway, playing with the rules is a tough game where nobody wins, ever.. quite obvious.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-13 17:20:46)
Go Search Engine
From IGN Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info
Go Search Engine, created by Alexander Dinerchtein
There are many sites on the Internet dedicated to Go. The majority are non-profitmaking. They were created by people who enjoy playing Go strictly as amateurs. As a result, they don't invest much money or effort in making their sites popular among search engines, so it's hard to find their sites using Google, Yahoo! or other common tools.
Of course, it's not easy for them to compete with online gaming stores and gambling sites, which spend thousands of US dollars monthly on advertising and optimizing their sites for search engines. The verb "to go" makes the situation even more difficult. If we search for "go magazines" or "go news" on Google, we may find only a few Go-related resources on the first few pages. It's terrible!
The situation with Asian Go masters who have short and common names is also confusing. It's almost impossible to find their games, biographies and photos on the main search engines.
We have decided to solve this problem! We have made a special search engine, based on Google Custom Search, which searches information only on Go-related sites.
Right now there are more than 500 sites in our database (99% of all Go-related resources) and we are trying to increase this number daily. We allow people to suggest new sites to crawl. Each site passes moderation, so you can be sure that each side is relevant to the subject of your search. We exclude non-Go related sites, doorways, sites with hidden text and dishonest competitors.
Dear Go-lovers, we hope that our system will be helpful for you!
You can find it here: http://find.gogame.info
Sergei Ivanov (2007-08-13 17:46:35)
:)))
Sorry, but it is impossible.
The sense of a poem was in that: Russian people know, that A.Vovk could not operate differently.
Garvin Gray (2007-08-13 20:51:16)
further information
Let me think about it and I will get back to you. I do think that I am on the right track though.
My train of thought had been that in most round robin competitions, if a person withdraws from the tournament before they have played 50% of their games, all their results are wiped for the tournament and the tournament is decided with one less participant.
Secondly, if a player does not appear at the board within one hour of the starting time, they lose (fide otb rule), so I had just extended that to a ficgs equivalent, which is timing out.
As has been said by Marc, Vovk did not play in any of the five games that he timed out in, so he did not 'appear at the board' so to speak.
Thirdly, ficgs does not rate games which last less than ten moves.
What I had done was combined these three areas into a quantifable rule that is 'easy' to enforce.
I was specific about saying 50% or more, instead of over 50%, because all the tournaments here have odd numbers, so each person potentially players an even number of games in each tournament.
This all being said, I think it really only applies to the World Champ sections and maybe to norm tournaments.
Wayne Lowrance (2007-08-13 23:40:48)
Obvious blunder
I always feel bad for a player who has done this. In my many years of playing CC I have done this on rare occasion. I remember a game in particuliar. I was playing this very excellent player (2300+) but very very arrogant. I had an easy but complicated clearly won end game. I copied the wrong move and resigned immediately. My Arrogant opponent as it turns out offered a take back, which was within the sites rules. But I declined telling him to me it is the same thing as "touch Move" in OTB chess. So my friend I know your feeling, I think we have all touched this base somewhere along the line.
Wayne
Don Groves (2007-08-14 02:16:17)
General comments
Is it possible to write a rule that has no loopholes? There will always be those few misguided souls who will find a way to violate the spirit of a rule while staying within the letter of the rule. They inhabit all segments of society. We can only do our best and hope that FICGS is not cursed with too many of them. IMHO, trying to write bulletproof rules will lead to much complexity, confusion, and even more dissatisfaction.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-14 14:27:21)
Nomic
Looks interesting :)
"Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it differs from almost every other game. The primary activity of Nomic is proposing changes in the rules, debating the wisdom of changing them in that way, voting on the changes, deciding what can and cannot be done afterwards, and doing it. Even this core of the game, of course, can be changed. —Peter Suber, the creator of Nomic"
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-14 19:45:25)
Chessboard serial killer of Moscow
Source Chessbase - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4047
Guardian Unlimited: Along the leafy lanes of Moscow's Bitsevsky Park, Alexander Pichushkin was a familiar figure. The 33-year-old supermarket worker played chess under the trees and even invited his opponents for a drink afterwards. But yesterday Mr Pichushkin was in court accused of murdering 49 people and attempting to kill three more, a tally which would make him one of Russia's most deadly killers. According to the prosecution, Mr Pichushkin lured his victims, who were mostly elderly men, to a quiet part of the park. He then attacked them from behind with a hammer. Mr Pichushkin boasted that he had killed 63 people. He said he drew a cross on his chessboard after each murder. His plan to fill all 64 squares came unstuck in June 2006 when he went for a walk in the park with Marina Moskalyova, 36, a supermarket colleague.
Times Online: The prosecution claims that [Pichushkin] wanted to kill more people than Andrei Chikatilo, Russia’s worst known serial killer, who murdered 53 people. “He dreamt of surpassing Chikatilo and going down in history,” said Yuri Syomin, the Moscow prosecutor. The Russian press suggested last week that he would enter Guinness World Records by being charged with 62 murders. But in the event he was charged with only 52 killings over a five-year period. That compared with the 53 murders of women and children in the Rostov area of southern Russia for which Chikatilo was executed in 1994.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2252021.ece
Ivan Pljusnin (2007-08-14 23:32:50)
:-)
By the way, Andrey Chikatilo was the first name of Sex_God on FICGS. Then he had to change it because it was too famous. On another forum he used a photo of our "chessplayer" Pichushkin as his avatar. So this topic will please him, I think ;-)
Thomas Tamayo (2007-08-15 14:22:19)
Possible solution...?
What if a forfeit of all games occurs as soon as one game is lost (on time or resignation) without at least 2 moves (one by B, one by W).
It would be easy for an abusive player to get around this rule by playing a move before forfeit. The benefit would be that this offense is bannable (easier to find abuse).
It seems fair - players in a tournament should be prepared to play!
Thomas Tamayo (2007-08-15 14:40:37)
White is far ahead
Corners are important, but a quick count shows white with at least 90 + komi, black with around 65. Since B has to escape around e6 B can't hope to get much more while W will continue to earn points.
Game 13059, though, is a mis-resignation. I set it up as a problem at http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3856
Thomas Tamayo (2007-08-15 14:47:04)
SGF Result field
Would it be possible to update the SGF Result field for a completed game?
For example:
Black wins on time: B+T
Black wins on score/resign: B+ (since no scoring is done on the server).
It might clear up problems like the thread post "Go game 10878 Why black resign?" (it is unclear if it was time or resign).
Thomas Tamayo (2007-08-15 23:35:43)
Dead groups
The typical process is to enter a scoring mode with both players. Each player marks dead stones (if there is a disagreement play can be resumed or the game can be adjudicated).
Once dead stones have been marked manually the game can be scored, though it is important to keep in mind special circumstances such as seki - the only way to have dame (zero value) points in Chinese counting AFAIK.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-16 03:23:47)
Dead groups
That's a bit harder at correspondence Go since players may be not connected at the same time to discuss the dead groups. But anyway that's not a big difference, players can use the 'Score' function, remove dead groups then eventually write the score in public comments. By the way, is the score so important for spectators ? .. Knowing W+12,5 may not help to understand why White won :) .. Moves are all IMO.
I'll add the "lost on time" SGF comment tomorrow.
Thomas Tamayo (2007-08-16 04:06:10)
Not that important...
It's not really important to know how much the game has been won by. If it's desired, a 3rd party program can figure it out using the SGF.
Michael Aigner (2007-08-17 13:37:22)
My try
Optimism is a variety of information deficit.
Sometimes especially true for CC games ;-)
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-08-18 02:04:15)
Individual games possible?
Are here on ficgs.com individual games without a tournament possible?
Charlie Neil (2007-08-19 16:56:18)
Draws and wins
Hello Everyone. I have just checked my chess rating and win/loss/draw ratio. I haven't 'won' that many games. The vast majority are 'time-outs' as my opponents silently withdraw. Well, that's how it is at the bottom of the table. Are there a lot of 'time-outs' elsewhere on Ficgs?. You can expect that in a free site and players do go for whatever reasons. But my number of draws, 6, I think. Very low. I don't engage in chats with my opponents very much, just because I can barely concentrate on the game. anyway the question(s) is(are) why so few draws? Are Ficgs players so good?
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-08-20 06:36:44)
Re
Vladimir Ras - Putin is still alive ... He is also a good actor, I s saw him in the Lord of the Rings.
Philip Roe (2007-08-23 17:31:35)
draws and wins
Those statistics might have some curiosity value but perhaps not much deep meaning. Especially in the lower sections, all of the games defaulted in ten moves or fewer give a false impression of decisive play. Even if they are excluded, I feel sure that the proportion of draws is much higher for stronger players, so I dont know what an average percentage would tell us.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-08-27 01:48:36)
Go-Endgame at ficgs-GUI
At an Go-Endgame someone begins to pass.
How can i pass here at the ficgs-GUI?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-27 02:27:07)
Go-Endgame at ficgs-GUI
Hello Ulrich.
This is the current message displayed before to enter a Go tournament :
"Rules for Go are chinese rules, as defined by the Chinese Weiqi Association. Both players must play until one resign, both players pass (then resign or call referee) or game is adjudicated. It's up to the players to discuss the score at the end of the game, so calling referee should be exceptional. Scoring method is area scoring with chinese counting. Positional superko rule apply, it's impossible to repeat a previous board position ('incorrect move' message would be displayed).
Please note that you can pass, just entering 'pass' [then push 'move' button and 'confirm' your move] but one player has to resign or call referee to end the game."
Best wishes, Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-28 12:42:38)
Who is chess champion in your country ?
Maxime Vachier-Lagrave just won the France chess championships in Aix-Les-Bains, after a great tournament (other players in National A tournament were Vladislav Tkachiev, Andrei Sokolov, Christian Bauer, Josif Dorfman, Robert Fontaine, Laurent Fressinet, Jean-Marc Degraeve, Anatoly Vaisser, Igor Nataf, Olivier Renet, Laurent Guidarelli)... Thal Abergel won the National B tournament.
Now the question is :
Do you know who is champion in your country ? .. Not only to know who is champion, but to see if this information is well known or not...
Michael Aigner (2007-08-28 14:31:15)
Austria
IM Siegfried Baumegger won the national championship 2007.
Philip Roe (2007-08-28 22:52:27)
Quotes
Work expands to fill the time available
(C. Northcote Parkinson, in Parkinsons Laws)
Andrey Sumets (2007-08-29 09:46:38)
Ukraine
GM Zahar Efimenko
I'm sure because I played in this tournament:)
Christophe Czekaj (2007-08-29 13:42:09)
Correspondence Chess without computers ?
Is there anyone interested about this topic ?
Could we imagine a tournament in wich players agree to play without search engines ? For example, with a sort of gentlemen agreement to not use computer's help ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-30 16:05:11)
Without chess engines
It has been discussed here in the past, including this thread :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=2094
Letsplaychess.com, Itsyourturn.com, Gameknot.com and other chess servers & organizations offer correspondence chess games without chess engines, simply by 'forbidding' it...
We'll see, I will create a new unrated category (probably next week).
Best wishes, Thibault
Dan Rotaru (2007-08-30 16:28:20)
Quote 8
"Stupidity is way more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits, Stupidity doesn't."
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-30 17:13:14)
:o)
I've also read : "The difference between Stupidity and Genius is that Genius has its limits. - Murphy"
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-08-31 00:47:59)
Go-Endgame at ficgs
Are you the referee, Thibault?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-08-31 09:40:32)
Neuroanatomy of a chess player
http://maverickphilosopher.powerblogs.com/chess
http://maverickphilosopher.powerblogs.com/files/maverickphilosopher-IMG_0256.JPG
Quite funny, and interesting blog :)
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-08-31 10:10:07)
Re
What makes that document unique and impressive is the fact that the word "toilet" appears 26 times...
Garvin Gray (2007-08-31 15:33:00)
another time
Care to propose another time for our 'second' game Ilmars?
Garvin Gray (2007-08-31 16:31:33)
time proposal
How about 13 hours from now, that is 0530 server time I think?
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-09-01 01:30:45)
...
There are few crazies that own world, other crazies are imprisoned. [Orvil]
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-09-01 01:34:37)
..variation..
There are few mads that own world, but other are imprisoned. [Orvils]
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-09-01 01:48:53)
Friend's try..
Some mads own world, but some other mads are imprisoned. [Orvils]
Sorry for so much variations..
Vadim Khachaturov (2007-09-01 02:36:40)
2-7
Bravo, Wayne !
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-09-01 03:50:42)
I am sad..
.. but I will be busy in the time 5-30. Too busy for game. What about postponing game one day later?
Garvin Gray (2007-09-01 07:14:59)
Site unable to load, timing out
Just 'finished' a blitz silver game with Ilmars Cirulis.
Had four minutes remaining on my clock and five moves to make to the time control, when ficgs would not load on my browser and kept timing out.
I am not happy about this situation because this has resulted in costing me e-points (money) through no fault of my own.
It is not my fault that the site kept timing out.
I am not sure what remedy there is for this situation, but I really dont feel like I should be out of pocket financially through a site fault and not my own fault.
Christophe Czekaj (2007-09-01 12:43:09)
Free of chess engine
Thanks Thibault for reconducing me to this past forum. Very interesting. The part about "real" elo and correspondance elo is edifying. I know correspondence players could have a huge better elo than their real life one (if they have any) : more time to think, no stress, no pressure (or less) but I believe players who play without engines have a coorespondence rating approximately equal to their over the board one. Personnaly, I play coorespondence chess to try new opening, to train generally since I cannot play over the board so often since 2 years. I often play from the office, wtih sometimes a couple of minutes on a move, or sometimes I go home with the moves to think about my response in over the board conditions (30 minutes maximum on one move). My correspondence elo is around 2000 (with a good start with a peak to 2098, but declining since ;-D) and my over the board rating is now 1990 (with a peak to 2040 last year, and a rapid elo around 2100). So I sometimes feel a bit fed up with playing against chess engines, notably, but perhaps I'm wrong I have remarked that since I got an advantage, often opponents defend very very well, like computers in fact. Ok it's part of the game, and I know t could be a good training, fight hard to win a game, display a good technique, etc. but it could be disappointing to have the impression of play with a human opponent and have to finish with an another, i.e. the computer. Perhaps could we compare over the board elo, with correspondence elo to know if there is computer help or not ?
Anyway, a special category of tournament will be great, and I'm eager to play with other ficgs "OTB-correspondence" players.
Thomas Tamayo (2007-09-01 13:10:47)
Just came up with this one...
As a goal marker shodan is important. As a destination it is a poor place to stop.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-01 15:29:04)
offer
I just saw the logs, unfortunately this time nothing can prove it wasn't a server bug (or the contrary). I'll make an update about it.
As Ilmars offered to you to cancel the result, I can do it. (Ilmars, can you send me an email about this ? .. Thanks)
Philip Roe (2007-09-01 20:04:25)
engine-free chess
When I started playing here about three months ago I did not realise that engine use was allowed (or even encouraged, according to some) What did attract me were some features like being able to see ongoing games of other players, which makes the experience more like a "real" OTB event.
I have played on other sites (IECG,ICC) where engines are forbidden,
and ICC at least claims to have software that detects cheating. I play without an engine (but using books)simply because I enjoy it more. I dont care all that much what you do as long as you play interesting moves. It seems very clear from the games that lower-rated players certainly dont use engines and higher-rated players probably have to. At my kind of level (1900ish) it seems optional, but the suspicion that my opponent analyses with an engine steers me away from certain types of position (speculative sacs, or clear strategy but complex tactics) which is a shame because that may be where the position wants to go.
The previous thread got very heated, and Im not sure why. One suggestion was
to let non-computer users go away and play funny little unrated games by themselves. That is not attractive. Im not interested in playing walkover games against weak opponents. Rating is essential. Other than that, Im very interested to find out what other people think. That will determine whether or not I come to feel at home here.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-02 13:26:25)
Ratings
Christophe, do you use no chess engines here ?
About ratings, probably most 2000+ correspondence chess players use chess engines whereas 1800- don't, so OTB players shouldn't play rated games with centaurs so often. Maybe new players should start with a 1800 rating (like ICCF) instead of 1600 so that most OTB players can't meet centaurs, what do you think ?
"ICC at least claims to have software that detects cheating" : You mean 'obvious' cheating... :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-02 14:21:35)
China, chess and Go champion ?
The match between chinese and russian chess teams just ended in Nizhniy Novgorod. Both russian men and women teams lost to chinese by, respectively, a 24.5-25.5 and 23-27 score. Finally, China beat Russia by 52.5-47.5 points.
More details - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4084
Chess seems to be much less played than Xiangqi in China, the chinese are probably able to take the crown in every board game, soon a chinese world champion for chess ? Practice, practice and practice... Their only secret ? :)
... or was the russian team simply not strong enough ?
Still waiting for more chinese friends here at FICGS, but internet seems to have its own limits too :/
Christophe Czekaj (2007-09-03 12:53:52)
no chess engines
Hello Thibault,
I play here without chess engine. Anyway, recently I tried to play "hippopotamus defence", (with no good result yet, I have to admit) so a computer is no use, it doesn't understand anything, but perhaps it's hippopotamus which is wrong, not the computer ;-D. Anyway a difficult defence in correspondence play).
I began on this site with 2000, and so my elo was too high to play against human only ?
I don't see how it's possible a sofware detect computer use ? Ok we see strange, computer-like moves sometimes, but...
Perhaps two players, at the beginning of the game can agree to not use computer.
Again about chess engine, I use a computer to record the moves (chessbase),to gain time, and replay fast the moves to get to the actual position, but my chess engines (an old fritz (5) and chess tiger (14) all that on a old PC) would certainly suffer a lot use against more recent chess engines ;-D
Like Philip, I like to play on ficgs and it would be nice to plmay against more human opponent. I play one tournament on itsyourturn since last year, and I saw a lot more human mistakes than on ficgs. So, how explain it, I sometimes feel more comfortable on itsyourturn, but still I do like the spirit of ficgs, match against RU, the tournaments, forum, nice people to meet on the board, and so on
Philip Roe (2007-09-03 18:59:27)
CC without engines
Thibault, Christophe, All I did was to pass on that ICC CLAIMS to be able detect computer use.
They dont say how they do it. Maybe they are just bluffing, or maybe they
have an algorithm that kind of works and they dont want people to work around it by knowing how it works.
The reason I dont use engines is because I want to take full credit for any wins I get. I can imagine using an engine and telling myself that I will just use it to prevent oversights.
But I cant control what the engine will tell me. It might recommend a move that tells me that I am planning
to attack the wrong target. If I then switch plans and win, what is left for me to feel proud of?
But I can understand that others may feel differently, and there is much to be said for a site where everything is allowed because it gets around the issue of making a rule that is certainly very hard to enforce.
But just because that rule does not exist on FICGS, it seems to me that
if somebody on FICGS says that they are not using an engine, then you can probably believe them. The problem with other sites is that if a player with an umimpressive rating fires back a series of accurate moves very quickly in a difficult situation then you suspect that he is using an engine (although he promised not to)
and there is not much you can do about it. If the same thing happens on FICGS
you are pretty sure that he is using an engine, but you have already agreed that he can, so it doesnt irritate you.
For that reason, I think that a computers-barred tournament might actually make sense on FICGS because those who want to use engines can legitimately do so. But for me, it would need to be chess that means something, with at least rating points at stake. Interestingly, Christophe and I are drawn in the same tournament, so we can declare at least that one game computer-free!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-03 23:27:30)
Adjudication
Hello Andrew.
That's an idea, but your opponent is not supposed to use tablebases, he may just want to see how you'll checkmate him and learn from the game. Correspondence chess shouldn't be more computerized IMO, so only 'obvious' endgames will be adjudicated.
You may call the referee in a few more moves.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-03 23:41:38)
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_GM__000001
Actually this waiting list was initially open to 2600+ players. As there was too few players of this level, the range was changed to 2500+ a few months ago.
Now, as Viktor is the only player rated 2600+ who entered the waiting list, I suppose we could change the range one more time...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-03 23:52:20)
CC without engines
Philip, that's a good point, I'll create the new category tomorrow anyway.
I hope we will see beautiful and imaginative games there :)
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-04 13:00:50)
czekaj christophe
czekaj christophe, read this thread!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-05 12:42:02)
Adjudication
Hello again Andrew, thanks for discussing this interesting point that is a part of the discussion about the Dead Man's Defence. See this thread :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=2828
There is no way to avoid a player to last a game IMO... New rules first mean new ways to get round it and too many rules should be avoided. I still think there are some 'tricky' moves in tablebases, at least beautiful moves so it should be up to the winner to call the referee or not and it should be up to the referee to adjudicate it or not.
Maybe time will make me change my mind, but not today I think :)
Best, Thibault
Jason Repa (2007-09-05 15:11:44)
HAL9000: "I think you missed it Dave"
The fact of the matter is that you'll never be able to tell for certain if someone is consulting a program or not in corr. chess, so why fret about it?
You have several options:
1) There is otb chess. Unless your opponent is pulling out his palm computer with pocket fritz in the washroom, you can be reasonably certain it's a mano e mano game.
2)There is also fast internet chess on a secure server such as playchess.com. I'm not sure how secure ICC is these days. If the games are 3 min or shorter you can be pretty certain it's human chess at least 99.9% of the time.
If you want to play corr. chess, fine, but why play a game called "let's worry about whether or not my opponent is making good on his promise to not look at the rybka engine suggestions". Just use it for what modern corr. chess really is...which is an excellent form of group study to prepare for REAL chess, ie, OTB chess.
Philip Roe (2007-09-05 23:13:44)
CC without engines
Well, you learn something new every day.
About paragraphing anyway!
Garvin, dont give it a second thought. Christophe and myself have both said that we accept your use of engines: we signed up for it.
Jason, I'm sure I speak for Christophe
in saying that neither of wants to change anything for you happy centaurs.
All we said was that IF enough other people felt the same way, THEN maybe Thibault might add that feature to his excellent site.
The parallel thread on tablebases is interesting. I find myself taking the opposite view. I dont see them as being very different from looking up KBNk in a textbook. They dont take fun out of the game because most of those rare positions are so impenetrable that they are not much fun anyway.
So I am not very consistent in my views. Who was it said that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds?
Glen D. Shields (2007-09-06 04:20:15)
Engine Use - My Take
The switch from postcard to server chess has been a wonderfully positive experience.
The transition from human chess to silicon chess on the otherhand has left me bored and wondering if there's still a purpose to the game.
Every tournament is the same. The tournament starts with 6 to 10 players. The moves transition out of the opening at lightning speed, then "Fritz and Rybka time" begins. Turn on your favorite engine and there's a >95% probablitity that your opponents' moves mimic the top engines. There are no surprises, nothing interesting, just boring repetition.
Only a few percent of the chess world can outplay the top engines on fast hardware. Human intervention is like adding a drop of water to a bucket of water and thinking you've made a difference. Most matches are one computer versus another computer and the results are predictable: 1-2 wins, 1-2 losses, most of the games drawn.
I don't oppose engine use. There's no way to enforce it, so there's hardly a reason to forbid it. I do question, however, its purpose. It's just as easy and entertaining for me to play against my computer as it is to play your computer ... and I can do it on my timeline not yours.
I played a friendly young man earlier this year in the ICCF. He was vocal and proud of his high rating and good reults. He'd been playing for less than a year. He eventually admitted through our friendly chat that he hardly knew the moves and rules. He had no idea what "en passant" was or the basic theory of the openings. It took everything I had to save my position and earn a draw from him. That game was "my epithany." I made up my mind to take a break and reconsider what CC is all about. Engine use has been a great technical accomplishment, but has it made CC more enjoyable? Not for me. I hope most of you feel differently.
Good luck and good chess to all :-)
Jason Repa (2007-09-06 07:24:50)
Engine Use
[moderator : partly deleted]
Thibault already spelled it out for you in pretty simple terms that he doesn't believe in human-only correspondence chess. I guess if there are enough people who don't want to deal with reality whining about it he'll cave in.
[moderator : partly deleted]
Garvin Gray (2007-09-06 07:36:52)
engine use
Jason- Thibault already spelled it out for you in pretty simple terms that he doesn't believe in human-only correspondence chess. I guess if there are enough people who don't want to deal with reality whining about it he'll cave in.
Hello Jason,
I think the better response is if someone wants to play 'human only' correspondence chess, there are plenty of other sites 'out there' to satisfy.
Rather than 'cave in' I am most likely am wrong as Thibault is of course not keen to lose members, but I can see more bitching if human only chess is specifically catered for as players will 'bitch' about other players who they suspect of using engine assistance.
I enjoy the freestyle component of play is what I enjoy here and the good nature of the site. I think a main part of this is that there are no misconceptions about what the rules are regarding engine use.
Jason Repa (2007-09-06 08:15:18)
engine use
[moderator : partly deleted]
I explained quite clearly in my previous post that.... "you'll never be able to tell for certain if someone is consulting a program or not in corr. chess, so why fret about it?"
The truth is, there are no corr. sites that can satisfy a desire to play non computer-assisted chess because corr. chess doesn't work that way anymore. Anyone can simply say they aren't consulting a program but unless they are right in front of you as they are making the moves you'll never know for sure. (...) Just accept reality for what it is. Are you going to try to have a footrace with someone on a scooter? Of course not. So why complain about computer use on corr. chess? Re-read my previous post in this thread a few times until you understand.
There is something to be said for human only chess. It is my favourite form of the game. Really, the only form. All else is just study and analysis. You can call it "playing" if you want, but unless you're making the moves strictly on your own brainpower, it's not playing chess.
I play rated OTB tournaments at time controls ranging from 5 minutes to 6 hours. I also play hundreds of bullet games a week online where I am certain that there is no computer involvement. To me this makes allot more sense than whining and crying about the advent of Fritz (and other programs). It's called accepting realilty.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-06 12:29:10)
Glen D. Shields
Hello Glen !
We had this discussion before, indeed chess engines killed imagination and a part of the fun. The game has changed a lot, more since Rybka appeared. Correspondence chess is now how to beat Rybka, that's a fact... and a new challenge.
Did you try another game, like Big Chess or Go (I really enjoy playing these games), where engines are completely useless and now both rated at FICGS ? My two cents ;)
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-06 18:42:11)
Prisoners
Where can we see the Prisoners of a GO-game?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-06 20:03:40)
Prisoners
Actually there is no need to see the prisoners (chinese counting is used - territory is all). Is it important ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-06 21:00:47)
Rugby World Cup 2007
The Rugby World Cup 2007 starts these days in France... Who will be able to win this great tournament according to you ? .. All Blacks of New-Zealand, England, France, Australia... ?
France has a good chance IMO :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-06 21:13:12)
Jason
Hi Jason. There's no reason for you to feel harassed IMO. We're all happy centaurs, no provocation in it (anyway if there was, was it worth to respond ?). I did not moderate your posts, I just felt something was raising so I stopped it.
Amici sumus.
Jason Repa (2007-09-06 22:30:19)
Canada
We can't leave Canada out of this thread. After all, we're home to the guy (the late Abe Yanofsky) who was Canadian champion many times, and who gave Fischer the longest game of his career. Fischer had the black end of a Najdorf and finally ground poor Abe down to get the full point in the 112 move marathon. It was RNPP vs RBP way back at move 55
Yanofsky was able to hold Fischer to a draw with the black end of a Caro Kann in their next (and final) encounter six years later. Even getting so much as a draw against the great RJF, especially with the black pieces, is quite the accomplishment. Just ask GM Bisguier, who lost 13 straight games to him.
Getting back to the present, the current Canadian champion is the young Nikolay Noritsyn.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-06 23:14:06)
Only used japanese counting
It is important to know.
I'm only used to japanese counting.
Was the chinese counting easier to program for you?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-06 23:29:46)
Rybka
In my opinion, the whole correspondence chess level has improved with Rybka. So it is probably a new step towards the 100% draws also (at the highest level)... Fortunately the last step will never happen ;)
Anyway that's why some strong players are bored with correspondence chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-06 23:45:06)
Chinese counting
The counting is the main and best point of the Go game IMO. With chinese counting, Go looks to me less material, more abstract and is probably most difficult to understand and program (Go engines). That's the only reason why I chose this counting.
By the way, does anyone know some statistics : How many players use chinese counting, japanese counting or another one ?
Do you agree with this point of view ?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-07 02:44:00)
And the winner is...
??? :)
Thanks to all, the quotes file will be updated soon... It was a very pleasant and imaginative thread ! .. to be continued ? :)
Christophe Czekaj (2007-09-07 12:44:20)
To Jason
Hello Jason !
It’s just a question to have the possibility to play correspondence chess (for fun, not neccesarily studying or analysis, just the pleasure of finding moves, ideas (you know, what Bronstein called imagination) not rating, not to be classified as expert, or I don’t know what…) with people without computer. If they lie and use computer ; OK, we can’t be sure, but I’m certain you could accept that some players can trust other players when they say they don’t use computers. For example, I trust Philip when he said this, it’s just a question of being a gentleman. If there are cheaters ok, so what… Rybka will win
And I don’t undestand your topic about class of players : I hope I‘ve the right of posting some commentaries on this forum, despite the fact being largely behind you in term of rating… I think we can still play chess without computer, and with rating or not, it’s the same game for me. Philip and I just think it could be kind to play with other players with a kind of gentleman’s agreement. Sorry if it bother you
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-14 02:33:32)
FIDE World Championship 2007
The FIDE World Championship 2007 just started in Mexico. A double round-robin tournament with 8 players and a US $1.3 million prize fund. Players are Vladimir Kramnik, Peter Svidler, Alexander Morozevich, Levon Aronian, Viswanathan Anand, Boris Gelfand, Alexander Grischuk and Peter Leko.
Round 1, all games drawn... Any favourite ?
Mladen Jankovic (2007-09-08 00:46:47)
software
Are you using MySQL?
And, did you script all of the site yourself (other than some obvious external plugins)?
What distribution of Linux are you running if I might ask?
I have to commend it to you, the site certainly seems to have a good uptime, I have never encountered a problem accessing it, and only a single bug, promptly fixed.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-08 02:23:05)
chessage.com,schachtrainer.de
The guy from chessage.com (schachtrainer.de) scripted also his site himself.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-08 03:57:29)
Linux / MySQL
Hello Mladen.
Yes, MySQL. About the Linux distribution, Debian.. (if I remember well :))
And yes again, I did script all the site, already more than 500 php files (!) .. I was far to imagine this server when I started it ! .. Still much work to improve it for fast games... Finally, as it became quite huge, there are still (always) minor bugs that I correct as soon as I see them.
Jason Repa (2007-09-08 08:27:57)
To Christophe
[moderator : partly deleted]
You refuse to accept the reality of the modern corr chess experience and prefer to bicker instead of simply seeking OTB (or fast online) chess to get exclusively human vs human play. I've spelled out this theme repeatedly here.
Jason Repa (2007-09-14 01:20:55)
[moderator : partly deleted]
(...) You might have noticed my M.O. of starting a new topical chess thread or trying to revive communication in an existing thread that is about chess when mayhem was going on before. This time I decided to just avoid the forums for awhile but apparently that's not good enough. I'm asking you to remove his post.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-08 12:19:39)
self removal
It shouldn't be possible for a player to change several times his position in the waiting list. Like any chess move it should be the responsability of the player IMO.
Jason Repa (2007-09-08 12:26:56)
"No engines" Tournaments
I suspect you'll get a whole new breed of forum posts where accusations will be disguised as compliments such as: "Johnny So and So really played an excellent game! He was accurate like a machine against me", etc.
You'll also hear allot of twisted soapbox rants about how "morally superior" the allegedly non engine consulting players are.
This is what the forums on second rate sits such as RedHotPawn, ChessHere, etc are filled with, in addition to absurd claims of so-called "engine detection technology", which is obviously impossible. On RHP in particular, the site admin are software developers with extremely modest uscf ratings in the C-class range, yet somehow they deem themselves qualified to make such difficult judgment calls, which are at best a probability guess, even for a strong chess player.
I thought it was precisely this kind of nonsense you were trying to avoid when you decided to make it an up front policy of "freestyle" chess at will at FICGS.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-08 12:56:34)
No engines tournaments
Jason, of course you may be right ! .. We'll see, but I think the experience may be interesting anyway. As Philip said, FICGS main tournaments are designed for centaurs, and basically these "no engines" unrated tournaments are really just for fun... Unlike some of the other sites you mentioned, where to be ranked 1st may incite to use chess engines, I feel that these tournaments (with no rating ranges) will not attract many centaurs, simply because there's no interest at all for them...
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-09 11:41:02)
interested in IT
We are interested in IT
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-09 15:28:33)
FICGS update & wish list
Hello to all.
You probably noticed a new extension to the chat bar, it delivers some random messages and news (forum, problems, public comments, entries, login). It also automatically warns a player if he started an advanced tournament [bullet, lightning or blitz games], which is more convenient... As it refreshes every minute, you shouldn't log out automatically anymore until you close the chat bar.
Other changes :
- Serbia & Montenegro (SCG) has become Serbia (SRB) and Montenegro (MNE).
- New players will start with a 1800 chess rating.
- Lightning tournaments become Advanced tournaments (blitz, lightning, bullet)
- New quotes added from the forum :)
- Some Google optimizations...
- Waiting list for unrated no-engines tournaments is open !
- Minor bugs corrected.
I did not implement the private messages facility yet... I feel it could create some problems (not technically), I still have to think about it.
This is probably a good moment to open a wish list and discuss all changes you'd like to see on the site...
Best wishes, Thibault
Hannes Rada (2007-09-09 19:03:05)
My wish list
- Conditional moves
- drag and drop for the imput of the
moves
- I would like to see the graphical
board diagrams after the chess
notation not before
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-09 19:28:27)
Drag and drop
I have to look for a way to implement drag & drop without java. I still have no idea about it... About conditional moves, that's the eternal question. I think I won't implement it, sorry :/
About the graphical interface, why would you like to see it below the chess notation ?! .. Maybe to avoid to scroll down if you write your moves ?
Hannes Rada (2007-09-09 21:26:43)
board diagrams + conditionals
Not for the imput of my own moves.
For scrolling down through whole tournaments it is in my opinion more logic to see first the notation and then the current position on the diagram.
I think it is quite hard or difficult to implement conditional moves.
The ICCF-Webserver has this feature, but it is disabled.
We had a perfect solution on the chessfriend server (silent conditional moves - great for saving reflection time and to speed up to game).
Somte openings like the Grunfeld or the Sveshnikov are 'pefect' for conditionals :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-09 21:43:59)
board diagrams + conditionals
I understand that some openings are quite "boring" to play :) .. and I saw conditional moves on Chessfriend server. Why is it disabled at ICCF server ?
Conditional moves is a quite difficult feature to implement, that's true (even more with several games). Also there are many ways to imagine it ! .. But the main question is "would it be fair" ?
Jason Repa (2007-09-09 22:48:45)
To: Garvin Gray
I don't "think" you're a troll my mentally challenged little friend. I KNOW you're a troll. This thread was about FICGS Hardware + Software. Your post here had nothing whatsoever to do with that. You posted only to harass and annoy. That is what a troll does.
Gray, I'd play you for $100 a game anytime, but playing against your program is not playing chess with you. You would never dream of playing with me wtihout having your program make the moves for you. You know it, and I know it. I'd beat you even easier than I beat llmars Cirulis, when he decided to try some HUMAN ONLY chess with me.
Hannes Rada (2007-09-09 23:00:48)
unfair ?
Why should conditionals be unfair ?
I've no idea why the ICCF guys disabled it. But I know that ICCF is a very bureaucratic organisation and even the smallest change on their server takes a very long time and will be discussed to death ....
Mladen Jankovic (2007-09-10 00:46:07)
:P
;)
I was rather coolheaded to begin with, IMHO.
I'm also mostly done asking about the server for now.
Philip Roe (2007-09-11 03:59:50)
Netiquette
Thibault,
Your proposal is good. You should not have to make decisions about who "started" an altercation, because sometimes it will be a close call. The only way to avoid making the close calls is to decline to make any calls.
Mladen Jankovic (2007-09-10 01:54:09)
Confessions of a Magic 8 Ball ;)
Well, first off I started with the provisional rating of 1200, then I signed up for a bunch of tournaments and started playing 60+ games. Next, add irregular Internet access with no conditions to perform any reasonable analysis of games in progress and the pressing requirement to answer 40 moves in one go, only to go trough the same at the next soonest opportunity.
I "solved" the problem by not playing and forgetting about the server for about a month (needed that). For that reason I lost more than 250 points (254 to be exact).
Needless to say, the recovery of my rating to any decent level is slow, as, in the meantime I have gone trough periods when I played little chess here, or even none, with games in progress.
Your speculated reasons for my supposed intrusion here (it might be argued that your first post here is the real intrusion) are just plain wrong.
I also don't find ELO ratings to be a valid measure of a man. The real reason I "intrude" in the matter is that I like the general atmosphere here. I am also quiet aware that I am probably the lowest rated poster here, but, before few minutes ago, I was not aware of your rating (good job, while we're on the subject) or Garvin's, for that matter.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 02:59:54)
New rule
Mladen and Jason, there's no need to add or respond to the provocation. Feel free to discuss the (IQ / chess rating) formula anywhere else.
I'm to add a new 'rule' in the terms & conditions : "Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator in private."
Of course, provocation is strictly forbidden also, at the moderator's discretion.
In example, in this thread : Mladen, Garvin and Jason would get a limited access this time.
Jason Repa (2007-09-10 03:14:13)
[moderator : partly deleted]
"I also don't find ELO ratings to be a valid measure of a man."
Of course you don't. (...)
Your "supposed" intrusion? (...) Garvin was way out of line and posted pure harassment that had nothing to do with the thread, or my post. I replied and gave it right back to him. It could have, and should have ended there, as Thibault pointed out. (...)
My post was indeed topical and perfectly legitimate for this thread. It was a valid question to ask what the reason for scanning the server might be.
(...)
Mark Noble (2007-09-11 08:02:09)
France are a JOKE
Well as to France losing opening game
that would have to be the easy cash I have won in a long time since they have only beaten Argentina once in the last 8 games .
As to the winners All BLACK's all the way!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 03:29:34)
New rule takes effect now...
Jason, whatever the content, right or not, this kind of post now will lead to get a limited access to the server. Please just warn me if you read a provocative post and I'll do the necessary.
Thanks in advance.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-09-10 04:05:57)
Re ...
Hi Thibault, really the whole site is very impressive, especially the board diagrams. Any chance you publish that part as a library? The reason is just curiosity, the few times I had to do web development, was just boring stuff, shopping basket and inventory, and at work I never did PHP development, only small things at home.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 04:37:17)
Diagrams
Thanks Rodolfo :) .. But nothing complicate in these chess diagrams. No need to make a library, just have a look at the HTML/CSS code... then make some loops with PHP, very simple. The only 'real' algorithm was to capture the dead groups at Go.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 13:32:41)
Netiquette (rules update)
11. General rules
11. 1. Netiquette
Computer assistance is authorized, as any other kind of help but in the "no-engines" tournaments.
It is possible to leave public comments for your games. No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 14:43:59)
Discussing the new rule
About this rule : "Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private."
As a player pointed out that this rule was really hard and suggested to me to punish verbal attacks only, here's my answer (to be discussed, of course) :
I did not ban provocation, I just try to limit the "discussions" that follow... Provocation calls provocation and progressively more and more, I don't think that any argument is useful when the aim is not to convince but only to provoke... So, how to limit that with clear rules ? What's exactly a verbal attack, where is the limit ? Quite hard to say... How to avoid such discussions to burn quickly ?
If you have any idea of a better rule, feel free to suggest... What most players like in this site is the friendly atmosphere... Such discussions are boring for most of them IMO.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-10 15:32:24)
delete provocation
You can delete provocation.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-10 15:35:17)
"FICGS Hardware + Software" a little bit
In the interesting Thread "FICGS Hardware + Software" you could delete now some provocation posts to make "FICGS Hardware + Software" a little bit shorter.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-10 15:52:38)
kind of justice
A reaction of provocation is human.
It is hard to see a provocation and not to do something.
Deleting both is a kind of justice.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 16:05:19)
kind of...
Not responding to provocation is a kind of intelligence IMO :) .. Rules are also there to limit some human "natural" reactions. But anyway, both will be deleted if necessary.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-10 18:20:05)
Insults
Thibault you have been over tolerant of abusive posting in the forum already and that has contributed to the situation. Sorry to say that but it must be obvious to anyone who has read the discussions. The key problem is personal attacks on people and not provocation. It is not acceptable to respond to a point with a string of insults denigrating person. Incidentally Thibault is it not possible simply to deny someone access to the blog so there posts cannot be seen by anyone as a punishment and they receive a message to that effect? No need to deny or retrict them access to the server as a whole. This is what ICC do in the same situation. Also if someone is punished in this way there is no need for it to be broadcast it is enough they know that their posts or responses cannot be read. So the offender carries on using the server and playing chess but cannot make posts - but of course they can read them!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 18:39:27)
Insults
Hello Andrew.
"Limited access to the server" means (like ICC) that a player still can play his moves, but can't post anymore, ie. on the forum. About tolerance, I have been less tolerant in the past, but like in any game, some turned round the rules and the result was not so good. Trust me, it is not possible to say after 15 messages (provocation -> insults) who "started" and who must be banned.
Anyway, "I will always beat you ! - Show me, let's play a game !" won't be considered as provocation, but provocation about the person (including the IQ / rating 'formula') has not its place in this forum IMO.
Mladen Jankovic (2007-09-10 21:39:51)
problem
Your rule is unclear, or flawed. Someone responding a provocation might answer with a personal attack, or not. The originator of a personal attack should be baned, whoever he is. It is irrelevant who started it if you are after those making personal attacks, you simply ban those making personal attacks.
Your current rule is unfair in case if one of the posters engaged in the said discussion makes no personal attacks and gets baned.
Jason Repa (2007-09-10 22:39:03)
Chat Rules
Calling someone a hypocrite, who is indeed a hypocrite, as evidenced by their behavior, is neither provocative, nor is it an insult, any more than calling someone who steals for a living a thief.
The best way to prevent chat abuse is to punish the party who STARTS it. Obviously a coward will use various devices in order to try to get away with it, such as trying to pass off the insult as a joke, etc. Thibault, despite English not being your primary language, you're clearly an intelligent enough guy to figure out when someone is trying to start an argument by being offensive. My belief is that this is the party at fault, not the person who is defending themself. But if your policy is to limit access to the first person who starts the ad-hominem or disparaging remarks, then there would not be a need for responding. But I'm not sure why you seem to be placing the focus on the the responder to an offensive post, and not the real culprit who starts the flaming in the first place. Nothing happens until someone starts something.
Obviously butting into a conversation that has nothing to do with them and ordering someone to "cool down" is clearly both provocative and offensive. (...) [moderator : partly deleted]
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 22:42:32)
chess engines
First of all, every chess engines is a choice, ie. about selectivity, and has consequences & weaknesses in particular positions. Fruit/Toga algorithm is really good but it has probably still much less chess knowledge than Rybka. I think Rybka's algorithm is really better also, Vasik Rajlich added some "human features" while other programs still think about chess like mathematics.
Rybka changed correspondence chess because Fritz or Junior (very strong chess machines) added to a good chess player makes a good centaur while Rybka is "almost" a centaur itself... Consequently a weak chess player can reach quite easily a 2100/2200 rating. That's the main reason...
Of course Rybka will always make some bad moves, but it/she builds an advantage move after move against other engines in most cases in 'calm' positions. HIARCS, that was told during a long time to think most like a human, was not a strong 'chess machine'. I don't know much about Hiarcs 11/12, but Rybka is a major improvement in this way IMO.
Jason Repa (2007-09-10 22:48:06)
chess engines
I don't think it's a coincidence that the strongest commercial program was designed by a strong IM chess player.
It's always amazed me that the majority of chess engine programmers know very little about the game of chess itself, such as Stefan Meyer-Kahlen's Shredder. I think there comes a point in the decision making process where your human chess knowledge because an important factor.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 23:12:01)
Chat Rules
That's why I think this rule is quite good... ;)
The starter (provocation only, insults leading to be permanently banned) may just see his post deleted, nothing more. Of course, provocation shouldn't lead to get a limited access immediately !
The one who responds, particularly with insults (even ie. "hypocrite", or "thief"), has a greater responsability IMO. This remains a judgement and this has nothing to do in this forum. Better is to warn a moderator.
Mladen, this is not irrelevant because provocating posts will be deleted, such discussions won't happen anymore and noone will (should) get a limited access !
Trust me, my aim is not to ban players... I and other moderators will be fair, so let's try this rule, I'll change it if it doesn't work.
Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules : No reason & no evidence will allow anyone to insult anyone in this forum anymore.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-10 23:31:53)
chess engines
Hi Jason
As Thibault post indicates Toga is a fruit flavour ie fruit variant. Check CEGT rating list for single version engines (http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/rating.htm) Toga II is at no3 and Fruit 2.3 is at no 5 position. As for our game no engine is ever going to save me! Maybe 28 ..Rc8 would have held but earlier on 14 exd6 Bf6 15 Bxf8 Kxf6 16 Qf3 looks really disgusting for black. I am not going to blame the opening but Fritz and I are back to the Najdorf! Apparently Aagard had a book out on offbeat sicilianl ines in which he could find no way for white to gain an advantage in this Prins line hmm Im sceptical.
Thibault - thanks for expanding on your comments. I note your point about calm positions. The game I cited is the sort of wild position where Rybka is not so good later in the game it is convinced that 19 ..Nxf2 is good for black a move which loses and which fritz rejects fairly quickly.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-10 23:56:42)
Shredder 10
Shredder is really not strong enough in this case IMO. Shredder is best in calm positions where there's a good move to find many moves in advance...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-11 14:25:39)
Resolution
That's right.. FICGS dimensions do not take account of the screen resolution (yet ?!), I'll have to think about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-11 14:28:51)
Moderators
It's a long time ago I did not re-open the subject, but even if it's a good test to manage the site alone, of course there will be several moderators in the future.
Graham Woodcock (2007-09-11 16:59:01)
My two penneth
I've never used a chess programme to help me (as anyone that's played me will probably be able to tell!).
Unless there's money at stake, what's the point?
I would have thought that the idea of playing chess online is to keep your mind active and to improve your own play by playing more frequently...but I guess there are probably a few cyber warriors around that will do whatever it takes to win... But I don't see what pleasure they can take from winning if some highly advanced chess engine has done all the work.
Thomas Tamayo (2007-09-11 17:09:58)
My wish
Separate "Best game" sections for Chess & Go. Give 5 votes for each category...
There are typically zero Go games up on "Best game" at any time.
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-09-11 19:21:27)
I like to say it sometimes.
Use your black-and-white squared brains!
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-11 22:04:32)
Chess comp ratings
Rybka is most dominant in the single processor versions when it comes to multi processor versions the gap is less and suddenly Zap chess appears. I am not sure why this is. Another point thats interesting is Rybkas endgame evaluations there is some significant difference with Fritz here. It seems a bit overoptimistic but sometimes it seems right. Finally a striking point when using Rybka is how comparatively few positions it is analysing per second compared to Fritz maybe only 10%. This illustrates Thibaults point about Rybka's far greater reliance on chess knowledge.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-12 01:30:55)
without java
Without java means with PHP?
PHP 5 will someday be necessary.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-12 07:36:30)
chess engines endgame play
Right Thibault! I am becoming more impressed with Rybka's endgame knowledge. It seems to have the extra pawn on just one side situations well understood. Is there any engine that is recognised as being the strongest at endgames? This is certainly an area where cc has helped me enormously as it has forced me to get some endgame books (and actually study them!)
Gene Sensabaugh (2007-09-12 16:18:56)
Gene Sensabaugh
I am still trying to make a decision to use a chess engine or not.If for example
my moves are the majority of the time according to Fritz10 are inferior I can't see how it's going to help me accept to gain rating points.Say during a game I consult Fritz and for example I have overlooked a mate in 10.Which move would you choose?I have serious doubts that many people on here can beat Fritz10 unless they are grandmaster class.In a game you consult your engine select between it's choices and select one of"it's" choices.You receive a move and the process repeats.So why compete against human players most likely inferior to engine analysis?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-12 15:17:28)
Reminder
Netiquette rule change :
http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_3765-Netiquette-rules-update.html
"Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and will lead to get a limited access to the server during one month a first time, two months the second one and so on. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private."
This is a quite good example of a useless discussion... Some posts in this thread (the first ones have been written before the rule change) are at least provocative, so you may eventually ask for some things to be moderated before to respond to the moderated version of these posts.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-12 16:51:49)
Gene
ok Gene let me give you my experience as to why you should use an engine in cc. 1) I have learnt a lot about certain openings and I remember lot more effective systems 2) finding the truth about a position is fun and instructive 3) I have acquired some endgame knowledge I never would have got. 4) Generally I wil try to understand why the engines like certain moves and drill down into the position trying altrentives until I get it. Sometimes in very wild positions its tough. Most of the the time this reinforces principles of develpoment pawn structure piece dynamism and I find it rubs off on my understanding. One proviso - if you take on too many games a lot of this wont work!
Facing a much lower rated player you have to do research and prepare something - trotting down the main line poisened pawn Najdorf may not be the way to go. A lot of top players go for catalan and english openings hoping to utilise their chess knowledge and research.
One thing is for sure always playing the best move of your engine is going to drop 1/2 points and lose some games and that includes Rybka. Finally all this stuff is done by all the top professionals in the otb chess. One example I faced the line that Kramnik got crushed with by Topalov playing b5 and f4. I looked at the game notes and databases and couldnt find a good response 45 minutes with fritz and I cracked it and in the process gained some insight into the opening. In fact its a harmless variation if you know the antidote but over the board one slip and Kram was toasted
Philip Roe (2007-09-13 00:37:23)
Andrew Stephenson
You post makes a lot of sense, and I can absolutely agree that being a centaur can be fun and educational
(Centaurs in Greek mythology, by the way, were a highly respected race, and usually described as happy) However, I am puzzled by something which maybe you or someone else can explain.
You and others assert that playing the engines first choice every time will drop points against an intelligent centaur. Does it not follow that a centaur should have a higher rating than its engine? But in fact the ratings quoted for the top engines are substantially higher than the ratings of anyone on FICGS, which seems a paradox.
Does the explanation lie in unsynchronized rating systems, or am I just missing something? This question has nothing to do with value judgements,
merely with satisfying a curiosity.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-13 06:35:12)
Ratings
Hi Phillip
I don't know what "an unsynchronised rating system" is. However at the rate of play 40/20 for example I am not sure I would be able to improve so much on the engines first choices. At the free style tournament stand alones do pretty well. If I needed 45 minutes to find one best move in the Topalov Kramnik line..... So yes a centaur can easily have a higher rating than the engine(s) he is using at cc time rates (on the same hardware). For one thing the centaur can use different engines and for another its a bit like taking a move back all the time and pushing past any horizon limitations plus there is the restrictions of opening books that all engines have. However I am not going to play my own cc games against Fritz 10 (Fritz 9 in my case)by giving it 1 day or even 10 minutes per move because I am not motivated - you need the human element for that. Hope that helps.
Christophe Czekaj (2007-09-13 13:00:14)
Thanks
[moderator : partly deleted]
(...) I understand the useless of any polemic, but what about a "droit de réponse" ?
Anyway, this topic is close for me. I've just made a proposition of tournament and find myself accused of immorality !
Philip Roe (2007-09-14 17:53:56)
Andrew Stephenson
Thanks for your explanations. They were helpful.
Let me try to say what I meant by unsynchronised rating systems (maybe I could have found a better word)
The difference between your rating and mine is a measure of how likely you are to beat me, and that relationship between rating difference and percentage score is similar for any
system I have come across.
However, the absolute numbers mean little if anything. There was a widespead belief for some time that US players were overrated, even though the system worked fine internally.
My understanding is that from time to time
organisations check to see if they have drifted too far from FIDE standards.
This sort of calibration works fine for human OTB games, but for anything else it is not easy to see how to "set the zero", and that possible mismatch is what I called "unsynchronised".
I think that standard CC practice is to try to give each player
a rating similar to their OTB rating. I do not know how the engine ratings quoted were tied
down, and I imagine that centaur ratings are very difficult to calibrate.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-13 13:44:25)
Droit de réponse
Christophe, as I said to you in private, it is only due to this rules change just before your post. It was too hard to make distinction of what is justified or not in some cases, so I was too much tolerant before. Now rules should avoid this. All responses to provocation will now be censured, a "droit de réponse" in this case is useless and pollutes the forum. Of course, you may ask for previous provocation & insults to be removed also.
Of course you were not accused of immorality ! .. Rules must avoid such discussions, nothing more.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-14 19:52:07)
another idea
"make it simple" :)
Vadim Khachaturov (2007-09-15 08:41:49)
FIDE WC 2007
Wthout any doubt, its Anand.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-15 12:59:08)
IECG WC 2006 final
As the IECG WC 2006 final just started, this is a good time to end the game. Quite surprising but finally, after 2 or 3 discussions about it, noone solved it and found me (some really looked for though) ;)
Clues were : Playing this year in a world championship final, birthdate (1973-04-13), first FICGS rating (2407, IECG rating), movies (a few players at IECG and FICGS knew about it, the trailer of 'A Clockwork Orange' where the other name is mentioned...
Here is the message I sent to my opponents :
"Dear chessfriends,
That's a real pleasure and honor to play my first IECG WC final with you all. Dinesh, Carlos, Farit, Massimiliano and John, nice to play again :)
I'm 34, single, living in the center of France... I play correspondence chess since 2002, IECG is the place I started with.
I made a few strange movies and videos a few years ago (soon available on the internet) :)
http://www.ficgs.com/psi/download/psi_divx411_vost_720x360.avi
http://www.ficgs.com/psi/download/A_clockwork_orange_2005__teaser.avi
http://www.ficgs.com/psi/download/Aphex_Twin_-_Inkeys_video_clip.avi
I wanted to play correspondence chess under my director's name but I'm now more known in our small CC world as Thibault de Vassal... I'm the webmaster of FICGS - http://www.ficgs.com , another Correspondence Chess Server, where I knew some of you :) .. Sorry about the confusion. I don't know how IECG rules will apply, I hope I can play this tournament anyway.
Best of luck to all !
David Gordh."
TS: Gordon Evans
+---------------------------------+---+----+----+---+---+----+----+------+-----+
|IECG WC-2006-F-00001 1 1 1 1 1 1 | | |
|WC 2006 Tournament # 00001 | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 | Tot | Plc |
+---------------------------------+---+----+----+---+---+----+----+------|-----|
| 18149 Robson, Nigel ENG 2646 | # | 0,0 | |
| 16702 Sirota, Anatoli AUS 2553 | # | 0,0 | |
| 19142 Pappier, Carlos ARG 2518 | # | 0,0 | |
| 18096 Chovanec, Milan SVK 2508 | # | 0,0 | |
| 15446 Makovsky, Petr CZE 2500 | # | 0,0 | |
| 11273 Blanco, Cesar GUA 2451 | # | 0,0 | |
| 13336 Gordh, David FRA 2443 | # | 0,0 | |
| 17738 De Silva, Dines SRI 2425 | # | 0,0 | |
| 10969 Rocca, Horacio ARG 2422 | # | 0,0 | |
| 17342 Perez, Brigilia PHI 2410 | # | 0,0 | |
| 16273 Fiala, Jaroslav CZE 2406 | # | 0,0 | |
| 13552 Claridge, John WLS 2403 | # | 0,0 | |
| 21524 Balabaev, Farit KAZ 2398 | # | 0,0 | |
| 15174 Massimini Gerbi ITA 2363 | # | 0,0 | |
| 18311 Bendig, Frank GER 2341 | # | 0,0 | |
+---------------------------------+-------------------------------+------+-----+
Rating Average = 2452 Category = 9 Start date: 12.09.2007
I didn't know that I would create FICGS when I registered at IECG and I prefered to use my director's name. I hope you don't mind. Sorry to Igor Khokhlov, Harry Ingersol and Farit Balabaev (I played them under both names).
Best wishes, Thibault
Jason Repa (2007-09-15 13:03:20)
FIDE World Championship 2007
Well there is some doubt there, most remarkably from Anand himself who considered Kramnik to be the favourite here in a pre-tournament interview, despite Anand's higher elo.
I predict Kramnik to win, not out of any personal admiration for the man. Quite the opposite is true actually. I would rather see Anand or Leko win.
At the close of Round 2, Anand and Kramnik are tied for the lead.
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-15 13:35:18)
komi
Has the chinese counting komi?
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-09-15 16:54:00)
Komidashi
Komi is the short word of komidashi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komidashi
It means points added to one player's score as compensation for playing as White.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-15 17:46:41)
Go tournaments
This message is displayed before to enter a Kyu/Dan/Pro tournament... (by the way there's a mistake, it will be corrected soon) I hope it helps.
"All games are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. Komi is 7.5 points.
Rules for Go are chinese rules, as defined by the Chinese Weiqi Association. Both players must play until one resign, both players pass (then resign or call referee) or game is adjudicated. It's up to the players to discuss the score at the end of the game, so calling referee should be exceptional. Scoring method is area scoring with chinese counting. Positional superko rule apply, it's impossible to repeat a previous board position ('incorrect move' message would be displayed)."
Hannes Rada (2007-09-15 20:01:39)
Surprise, Surprise
Thibault or David :-)
As far as I remember: several years ago I received a challenge for a 2 game match at the chessfriend server from a movie director where he mentioned some of these video-links.
(I had to decline the match offer, because I had too much games at the same time)
I really liked the dull ambience of the clips. I am also a big fan of Stanley Kubrick and I consider his Clockwork Orange a masterpiece.
The trailer of the PSI - Movie looks really good and interesting.
What kind of movies are these ?
Public Domain movies :-)
Or commercial movies produced to earn big money :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-15 20:52:34)
Surprise, Surprise
Hi Hannes, that's right I remember :)
Commercial movies, surely not ;) .. PSI may be compared to Lynch's "Lost Highway" by the aesthetic & atmosphere, a very strange movie. A Clockwork Orange is a kind of ultra-violent parody, more about cinema, reality-show and Cannes festival than Kubrick's movie. Very funny IMO, but maybe too much provocative, so a few problems with it :)
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-16 08:06:27)
Film Director
Thanks Thibault. 2 questions. 1) Thibault De Vassal is a cool name perfect imo for a film director why did you switch for your film directing to another name?
2) where did you find the assumed sirname "Gordh" Is it a family name or did you invent it? Will check out your film work I a film junky and often go to film festivals etc
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-16 12:25:33)
Film Director
I switched my name because PSI was an english speaking movie and personal "enough". But finally I made A Clockwork Orange (french speaking) under my real name. Now both coexist and have their own cinema - Schizophrenia ? :) .. Also it was probably another way to free imagination and catharsis.
Glen D. Shields (2007-09-16 18:43:13)
Explains Much
Dear Thibault -
Your "confession" explains a great deal. Twice you mentioned in posts your awareness of my IECG games. Since I am no chess celebrity, that left me quietly puzzled both times. Now I know why! You and I played twice. You won both games. Both encounters reamin as a couple of my favorites. Your 90 move victory required outstanding end-game play and you played it perfectly! Well done my man :-)
Now to my confession. I am actually Brad Pitt, no, not the real Brad Pitt, but a close good looking second. I have beautiful women walk up to me all the time asking for an autograph. Amazing that I was able to find time for chess all these years ;-)
My best,
Glen (aka "Brad")
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-18 15:55:07)
Major update : New interface !
Hello to all.
You may have noticed that the way to send moves has changed, at least the way by default (you still can choose to play through the old - HTML only - interface by clicking "slow moves" in My games).
Please note that there are no more confirmation pages when using the new Javascript interface, meaning your moves will be sent as soon as you press the Send button. Also Javascript should be activated in your browser, that is generally the case.
Other changes :
- My games display only games where it's your turn, you can change it by clicking 'display all games'.
- It is now possible to download all chess games (PGN format) in a particular tournament, see the bottom of the page.
- To avoid massive forfeits, the number of running games is now limited to 60.
... and hundreds of other small improvements :)
Feel free to report possible bugs or if you have any suggestions. Thanks in advance !
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-17 05:35:42)
To tie or not to tie
Hi Gino !
"I'm in advantage from the start given the tournament rules" : Untrue IMO, according to the current situation (not all games are draw), if the match ends at tie, you'll lose it - at least qualification - in all cases ;)
In 8-games matches, like every WC round-robin tournament, fighting for the score and (&&) for ratings looks quite normal, there's no dishonor to tie, winning or losing the right to move to the next round. Definitely rules have something to do with honor, at least with victory. Is there no honor to win a chess game with White pieces and its small advantage ?
What about ICCF WC tournaments and Sonnenborn-Berger ? .. Somewhat more complex, but ratings decide according to the situation also. What about FIDE World Championship ? .. Did Kramnik win his title / tie his match against Leko without honor ? .. FICGS rules are not more unfair than FIDE WCH ones, I'm playing an 8-games match against Farit Balabaev, his strategy is clearly to draw the 8 games and it may work, there's no dishonor in it, only good strategy IMHO.
But, of course, that's more a question of human feeling than mathematics, so only my point of view :)
Gino Figlio (2007-09-17 06:32:59)
Schuster-Figlio
Hi Thibault,
Thanks for clarifying the current situation, however it does not make it less true that I was in advantage at the start of the tournament. According to tournament rules I would have won with 8 draws.
Regarding wins with white, in a round robin you must try to win with white and draw with black. That's normal. In a match, only wins should be counted and not draws. Any other tournament rule intended to break a tie will fall short. A tie is a tie. You try to break it there will always be controversy one way or the other.
Have you considered a "blitz" match to break ties in future 8-game matches? 2-4 simultaneous games at 10/10 or 10/15 would be better than a coin toss...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-17 16:18:47)
Schuster-Figlio
I have... Definitely I don't like the "speed up" formula, that happened ie. in the Kramnik vs. Topalov match, it changes the nature of the match and adds some more 'random' factors, up to sudden death - White must win - which is no more chess. In our case this wouldn't be correspondence chess anymore (added to potential difficulties to play blitz games).
Anyway no rule can break the tie "properly", at least this rule allows the strongest player by rating (in case of 8 draws) to move to the next stage, which is quite logical IMO.
Rodrigo Jaroszewski (2007-09-18 06:20:30)
Hmm...
Wouldn't it be better to ask Peter what he thinks about this? I know some people that would actually be offended if the opponent withdrew, even if they took the upper hand because of that. This is an issue that should be discussed between Peter and Gino only, IMHO.
And for the next championship (and I'm just one guy rambling here, with hardly any chance of getting there), perhaps it could be arranged that the opponents just played 8-game matches until one of them is won. It'll take more time, but it it seems the only way it won't look fishy for one side or the other. (And sorry if fishy is a strong word.)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-18 14:38:19)
Knockout matches
FICGS champion will be crowned by a knockout match, the best rated player has few more chances to reach the final, this is fair and his result in each match do not depend on results he's not involved in (like round-robin tournaments), which is the most interesting point IMO.
Another interesting discussion about this issue :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=2584
Albert H. Alberts (2007-09-18 17:04:14)
110 best chess moves ever
All: Dutch GM Tim Krabbe has compiled "110 best chess moves ever".I computerevaluated them.Most of them are spotted by machines and if not: they are refuted. Notably nr. Topalov-Shirov and a classic 1960 Spasski-Bronstein.www.howtofoolfritz.com.
Albert Alberts Amsterdam.
Hannes Rada (2007-09-18 22:15:53)
Good improvements
Thanks alot - I like these improvements.
However, as I can see this is no real drag and drop.
When I click on the piece it disappears until it reaches it destination square. Is this behaviour correct ?
Maybe because I've no Javascript enabled ??
Where can I check this ?
Quite cool - indication of the remaining time in hour, minutes and seconds :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-18 23:59:27)
Drag and drop
Hi Hannes... This behaviour is correct so your javascript is enabled. That's true, I did not find a way to combine a javascript drag and drop with the FICGS interface :/ .. The event onMouseUp did not work when on another element (image). Waiting for another way... ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-19 13:45:30)
October 21
This should be the final date for the 1st FICGS freestyle tournament. As I had to finish the new interface, I'll only start to promote it today in forums and other websites...
About the time control, I agree that ie. 1h+20s would be less "Rybka mode" and more centaur, but it requires a lot of energy and time for a 6 rounds tournament. So let's give a try to 10m+20s, thus the tournament should last about 6 or 7 hours...
Until october 31, you'll be given 20% E-Points more when buying tickets :)
Garvin Gray (2007-09-19 13:53:32)
longer time control
Thibault: About the time control, I agree that ie. 1h+20s would be less "Rybka mode" and more centaur, but it requires a lot of energy and time for a 6 rounds tournament. So let's give a try to 10m+20s, thus the tournament should last about 6 or 7 hours...
Perhaps it could be held over 20/21 oct with 3 rounds per day of 1h + 20 secs.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-19 14:02:54)
longer time control
Definitely I need more players opinions about that. Two days is probably a lot of time for many players, as there's no big prize added to the entry fees yet, I'm not sure it would work...
Any opinions ? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-19 18:34:09)
New options in Preferences
I was to implement it ;)
Josef Riha (2007-09-20 11:19:23)
One more thing...
Hello Don, simply click on the target field and the move is take back.
Greetings, Josef.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-20 13:58:05)
chessfriends
I remember that chessfriends.com used to have the opposite rule ie the player with the lower elo advanced in the knockout. I guess their reasoning was if your better rated you should be able to prove it. As Thibault mentioned he may be a victim of the FICGS rule in his match against Farit Balabaev. He has the higher TER and his opponent as taken 4 draws as white by repeating the same 15 move sequence in his 4 white games (1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd 4 Nxd Nf6 5 Nc3 a6 6 Bg5 e6 7 f4 Qb6 8 Qd2 Qxb2 9 Rb1 Qa3 10 f5 Nc6 11 fxe6 fxe6 12 Nxc6 bxc6 13 Be2 Be7 14 0-0 0-0 15 Rb3 Qc5+ 1/2 1/2) Not the greatest advert for cc games! It requires cooperation for this to happen although its dangerous for black to deviate after 9 Rb1. Still there are perfectly viable alternatives IMO in the Najdorf against 6 Bg5 other than this line. I suggest going to a 2 game mini match play off series at 5 days reserve and 1 day per move increment until there is a win. This would provide incentive to go for a result for the higher rated player in the main match. I would retain the lower rated player wins rule for decisive games (but overall draw) for the main match but leave it equal for the playoffs.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-20 19:32:38)
chessfriend
I dont think its plausible that the rule inspired anyone to lose Thibault -it was for a memorial tournament and although there were (supposedly) cash prizes (which never trasnpired)I think it just inspired the people with the higher rating to try to win. As for your explanation as to why you just bailed out on 4 games its difficult to respond other than to say it doesn't show you supporting your own concept of an 8 game match or the importance of the FICGS "world championship" stage that you had reached. I guess you will take the IECG "world championship" more seriously. I think having 2 game play offs at a fast time rate to a decision is a better way to go.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-20 20:39:56)
chessfriend
As far as I can remember, this way to break the tie was used in most Chessfriend round-robin money tournaments. I have no doubt that some players would have sacrificed their ratings for more chances to win cash prizes... Highest rated players were attracted anyway because they were invited.
About my match, I was simply glad to get these 4 draws easily with the black pieces, it gave me more time to try to win with White (I was in time trouble at this moment). GM Farit Balabaev is a strong correspondence chess player, even if I lose the match, I have no regret about it. Surely I won't play my FICGS WCH games less seriously than my IECG WCH ones :) .. By the way I still hope to play the first candidates final against Gino or Peter :p
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-20 21:54:21)
WCH knockout vs. round-robin
I don't know about finished money tournaments at Chessfriend, this was just the available rules I read.
About FICGS & IECG WCH, the point is one don't play the same way a knockout or a round-robin tournament, this is not a question to play seriously or not. In every FIDE WCH (knockout) final match, Kramnik and maybe even Kasparov would accept an easy draw with Black, simply because they have to save energy, as chances of win are generally defended with White (actually Kasparov even offered a short draw with White against Kramnik's Berlin defence). In IECG or ICCF WCH round-robin tournaments, draws are to be avoided at any price but many strong players think the same way: White must win, Black must draw. That's very different in matches, so the strategy. I did not play drawish openings in IECG WCH, and I'll accept short draws if I can't expect more, but it doesn't mean I take it more seriously. According to the situation, these 4 draws were quite a good choice for both Farit & me... in a way :)
Hannes Rada (2007-09-20 22:37:49)
Chessfriend and money
I received 2 times money for winning and for 2nd place in a chess friend round robin tournament.
But this was only small money about EUR 100,00 :-)
And there was no tiebreak at these tournaments. In this case the players hat to share the prize money.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-21 00:09:15)
Knockout
Surely knockout format (FICGS rules or not) is not perfect, like round-robin. In this case ratings are important and a new cycle starts every 6 months. Let's agree to differ :)
Don Groves (2007-09-21 04:33:39)
One more thing (again)
Josef escrit: "Hello Don, simply click on the target field and the move is take back."
Hello, Josef, and thanks for the tip!
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-09-21 16:10:20)
Figlio - Schuster
I think there is no perfect way to do it right for everyone. Thibault's rule is a compromise (as others) and his special way for matches. There is no reason to cry or to be crazy about - it's just a rule.
Thibault by himself just has been victim of his own rule!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-21 18:32:12)
Break the tie
I don't consider "I'm a victim" of this rule :) .. Actually if my match finishes with 8 draws, I'll have simply failed to qualify. Farit's semi-final match with Peter shows this rule is not so unfair, they both won one game. That's probably one reason why he used this strategy against me, which may work but may not work every times. To draw all games is not so easy, it's often quite a losing strategy. Due to the fast time control, the advantage given to the highest rated player is not so big IMO.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-21 18:52:24)
Tie Breaks
Farit just to clarify things, you lost your drawn match against Peter Schuster (despite being the higher rated player) because of the rule that the lower rated player wins in the event of a drawn match, where there has been at least one win by the lower rated player. So the 4 draws by you are drawing attention to the problems with the tie break by rating approach (albeit the higher rated player wins if all games drawn part of the rule) Well at least we understand your side of it - that you were actually making a point.
Wolfgang I understand the rule is a compromise no need to cry however surely its right to review the experience and see if we can improve? The problem I have, based on the experience, is that it just makes the site look bad and silly to have 4 identical 15 move games. Thats not chess - in my view its absurd. So lets examine the experience and refine the process. A 2 game play off series at a very fast cc time rate ( 1-5 day reserve + 1 day increment)would, I believe, get a result. Its still a compromise because the time for cc is very short. At the same time lets re -think having the championship every 6 months idea - I think thats a big factor behind Thibault's tie break by rating rule. Its leading to overcrowding and its pretty hard to follow perhaps 1 every 9 months or year? Incidentally Thibault how do you break the tie if both have the same TER? Just a thought!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-21 19:57:01)
Tie Breaks
A 2 game play off series at a very fast cc time rate ie. 1 day + 1 day / move would delay the next stages by up to 6 months (by stage)... I think that players would prefer to defend their chances - as you understood it - more often, and simply would prefer to play !
In case of equal TER : "If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account."
Finally, draws usually happen more often in matches, that's a fact. The special rule, at least, force one player to avoid it. We'll see if these short draws happen again and what are the consequences. At last, as Wolfgang said, the tie break rule is not "unfair", it is only a rule.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-21 20:34:37)
Tie Breaks
Thansk for the reply Thibault. on the delay front I think it would be less than 6 months maybe 1 or 2 months. First the effect of this delay would impact on only very few top players in completing the final stages. Overall the quantity of chess games and opportunities would be unaffected as new championships start every 6 months so the amount of playing is the same. Second "If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account." Ok this will be rare but you cannot really be saying that a match would be decided perhaps 1 or 2 months after completion when the next rating is done? Third "The special rule, at least, force one player to avoid it." yes but it didn't did it? You took the 4 draws in 15 moves because you had too many games and your opponent was a strong player! My point is not about the unfairness of the rule Thibault its the effect of it - in this case 4 identical 15 move draws is not a good advert for the site, the World Championship FICGS or the players.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-21 22:05:26)
Other points
About the second point, there may be an improvement, undoubtly. About the third one, if there wasn't this special rule, such short draws may happen the same way and partly for the same reasons (too many games).
Dan Rotaru (2007-09-22 01:16:27)
Games download
Excellent update and new interface, thank you very much Thibault. I really like the new feature which allows to download all games in a particular tournament. On this note it really would be nice to be able to download all one's games in progress. If playing few tournaments in the same time it is not practical to download all of them. Also what about being able to download all the games finished on FICGS from the beginning to date?
Garvin Gray (2007-09-22 06:25:41)
walk in the park
Tough match for Rybka
Are you sure about that? Zappa programmers have only worked on upgrading the engine for eight days and before that they were in 'retirement' with no major updates coming out since Zanzibar. Zappa has admitted that 'Zappa Mexico' wont be much of an upgrade from Zanzibar.
Rybka has been upgraded and tuned many times since Zappa won the WCC. I think Rybka should win this match 6-4 or 7-3 with no losses.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-23 13:23:38)
Log out
Thibault I get logged out of the site automatically after a certain time is there anyway I can extend the time before the sysytem logs me out forcing me to log back in?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-24 01:04:39)
Rybka vs. Zappa
What a surprise... Zappa now leading the match 3,5-1,5
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=2228
Even if Rybka plays without tablebases, the point is "The match will be played on two identical 8-cores computers"... So it probably means that Zappa's author Anthony Cozzie did it really well while implementing multi-processors engine. It would be interesting to know the performance of both engines compared to single processor version. Can Rybka be improved significantly this way ?! .. We'll see it soon, anyway nice to see a "real match" :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-24 01:10:45)
50 moves rule
Hi Wolfgang !
Yes, quite ridiculous to adjudicate a draw while tablebases show a mate in 63 moves IMO... So I broke the rule (with great pleasure :))
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-24 02:13:51)
1st FICGS freestyle cup
Dear chessfriends,
The 1st FICGS freestyle cup waiting list is open ! .. This advanced chess or more commonly said "freestyle" (computers, teams, everything allowed) swiss tournament will happen on 2007 October 20 & 21 (14 pm, 17 pm, 20 pm server time), time control : 1 hour + 15 seconds / move. Entry fee is 10 E-Points (10 Euros), prize is 100% of E-Points (see rules/membership).
Thanks to players who broadcasted the news on the web already !
Garvin Gray (2007-09-24 07:41:22)
site messages
Another reason could be so we see any important site change messages as our first port of call
Denis Chumakov (2007-09-24 12:59:29)
SM, FEM, FIM
Hi! What is Titles SM, FEM, FIM?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-24 13:41:00)
SM, FEM, FIM
Hi Denis, see :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles
EM = Email Master, IM = International Master, SM = Senior International Master, GM = Grand Master
... so
FEM = FICGS Email Master, FIM = FICGS International Master, FSM = FICGS Senior International Master, FGM = FICGS Grand Master
Denis Chumakov (2007-09-24 14:23:59)
SM, FEM, FIM
Thibault de Vassal! Thank you!
Andrew Stephenson (2007-09-25 10:28:20)
Match
I have to say guys having worked quite a bit now with Rybka (single procesor version) it has some flaws defending against attacking positions - sometimes underestimating the attackers chances and not just in irrational or very complex positions. So whatever the role of opening books (obviously big) I am not surprised at the result so far. Thats to take nothing away from Rybka - great program.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-25 21:03:09)
Title norms
Hi Garvin, sorry for the delay :)
A title norm (FEM, FIM, FSM, FGM) can be achieved in a correspondence chess tournament with at least 7 players and 6 games played per player.
More explanations and % table :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#titles
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-25 22:00:51)
4,5 - 2,5
Another draw today (I read "wild draw and missed win from Zappa"). It seems that Zappa is going to win the match... but is this result significant as the engines worked on 8 cores ?! .. Hard to say, I just wonder if/how Rybka's performances can be improved on such computers...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-26 12:46:06)
Mexico, round 11
Unless an earthquake, Anand should win the FIDE WCH tournament... now leading with 7,5 / 11, by one point and a half, after another great game against Morozevich. That's a very impressive performance but not a real surprise, as he's always been able to play very well... and less sometimes (unlike Kasparov).
What could happen in a 12-games match against Kramnik if he plays at this level ?!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-26 18:45:47)
Chess, love... ego
In a discussion where Susan Polgar (in her new forum, see link below) encourages members to ask questions to strong OTB GM & IM, I suggested to ask them :
"...how the venue of Rybka and other engines crushing them OTB (ie. Hydra-Adams) in classical games affected their love of the game ! .. More than learning us & them humility, obviously noone can feel the same than Bobby Fischer in front of the chessboard anymore (and probably before him also). How can a human player love the game like he did, nowadays ? .. What is the place of the ego in this strange relationship ? Finally... do they play other games more and more as time passes ?"
An interesting point, undoubtly to be discussed, is the place of ego in the love of the game IMO. Go players may have an interesting point in this discussion ;)
http://www.chessdiscussion.com
http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=196
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-27 21:57:34)
New update (2007-09-27)
A new update :
- Private messages facility (see bottom of My messages) has been implemented, you can send a message that will be sent by email to your opponent. You can disallow other members to send messages to you in Preferences
- Now you'll be redirected to the next game by default after sending your move. You can change this option in Preferences.
- Go scorer, now much more convenient, you just have to click on the groups to remove before to score the game.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2007-09-28 00:36:03)
Comment
This remark was made by past freestyle winner Equidistance in the rybka forum:
"This FICGS site is very unclear, impossible to find anything. No clear summary about what these e-points are all about, very long terms and conditions, really I doubt anybody will spend so much time to even find the page about Freestyle Cup, which is hidden under one of many menus."
Maybe navigation could be made easier for new players interested in the tournament.
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2007-09-28 01:07:38)
empty page
This is just a little issue: When I submit a move, and no game with pending moves is left, an empty page is displayed. I think it would be better to return to the games page immediately.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-28 03:01:14)
Invitation to FIDE, FICGS, ICCF GM & IM
Just added to the FICGS chess freestyle cup rules :
"FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free until one week before the start of the tournament ! .. Please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register. You may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card."
Strong titled players may be interested in winning the title & prize, other players may be interested in playing them...
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2007-09-28 08:09:33)
Question about e-points
A quote from the rules:
"When you buy tickets, a virtual account in E-Points is created (or modified) with a limited lifetime of 2 years, meaning the account will be emptied at the end of this period. Member's account lifetime will be reconducted each time tickets are bought by the member. The number of E-Points added to the account is the amount in Euros paid to FICGS. Tickets are not paid back."
This means i lost the E-Points after 2 years?
So what i do with E-Points if:
"Tickets for tournaments (E-Points) can't be sold to other members, exchanged with cash money or paid back"
In the summary that you wrote you said:
"... then play money tournaments with entry fees and prizes (bronze, silver, gold) with low rakes in E-Points, finally ask for money prizes instead of E-Points for the tournaments you choose"
This is not clear. For example, I join a gold tournament i must choose before hand if i want E-Points or a money prize.
Also why i want to play more tournaments before redeeming a money prize if i could do nothing with my remaing E-Points (see above)
Any help in my queries will be appreciated.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-28 11:23:24)
Tickets / E-Points
Ok, I'll clarify that. It means that you can choose AFTER a tournament to ask for a money prize (exchanged with E-Points as a prize, not a redeeming). About the 2 years, it means that you have to ask for money prizes if you don't buy more E-Points until this delay - there must be such limits in time, but the aim is surely not to apply such a rule - anyway if you buy ie 10 more E-Points, the account lifetime is reconduced.
In brief, tickets are E-Points you buy, prizes are E-Points or money you win after a tournament.
I'll update it today.
Gregory Ross (2007-09-29 01:01:39)
2-player match?
Is there no way to play a simple two-player match here for free?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-29 13:37:42)
2-player match?
Hello,
It is possible, but limited... With the 2 free E-Points, you may play 20 bullet (10 min+ 20 s.) or lightning (30 min+ 30 s.) bronze games.
There are no 2-player match without entry fee & prize at standard & rapid time controls.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-09-29 14:03:55)
Publication of a private message
No, only 45,000 Euros and 1 year :)
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/UnArticleDeCode?commun=CPENAL&art=226-15
"Le fait, commis de mauvaise foi, d'ouvrir, de supprimer, de retarder ou de détourner des correspondances arrivées ou non à destination et adressées à des tiers, ou d'en prendre frauduleusement connaissance, est puni d'un an d'emprisonnement et de 45000 euros d'amende.
Est puni des mêmes peines le fait, commis de mauvaise foi, d'intercepter, de détourner, d'utiliser ou de divulguer des correspondances émises, transmises ou reçues par la voie des télécommunications ou de procéder à l'installation d'appareils conçus pour réaliser de telles interceptions."
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-01 05:20:50)
Tablebases : Mate in 517+
While I was checking some positions in 6-pieces tablebases, I was wondering what was the longest win found in tablebases so far...
I found the answer here (new record established in May 2006) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase#Endgame_theory
"For some years, this position held the record for the longest computer-generated forced mate. (Otto Blathy had composed a mate in 292 moves problem already in 1889.) However, in May 2006, Bourzutschky and Konoval discovered a KQNKRBN position with an astonishing DTC of 517 moves. This was more than twice as long as Stiller's maximum, and almost 200 moves beyond the previous record of DTC = 330 for a position of KQBNKQB_1001."
What I just can't understand is how is it possible not to know the DTM (Distance To Mate) while knowing the DTC (Distance To Conversion) ?!
Anyway, amazing !
.. Any taker ? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-01 19:48:57)
Endgames by Ludek Pachman
"Les finales" from "Elementary Theory" (?! translated from french) by Ludek Pachman... Endgames are the most interesting and deepest part of the game IMO :)
Hannes Rada (2007-10-01 20:21:51)
Kasparov CC
If I remember correctly Garry once stated that he could win such a title easily, because he is superior in analyzing chess positions.
Could be true, or not ?
van Oosterom - Kasparov
at CC conditions, what is your prediction ?
Maybe Garry has an advantage because he can analyze deeper within a specific time unit due to his superior chess knowledge and experience.
Don Groves (2007-10-02 05:32:52)
Rating lists
It is good to have a rating list now for active players, that list is much shorter. But still, I see a problem. I checked only one person for this but I'm sure there are others -- this person is playing several games of Chess and no games of Go, yet is on the list of active Go players. IMHO, the active players lists should be limited to those currently active in each game.
Hannes Rada (2007-10-02 16:06:09)
CC Kasparov and other OTB GM's
Viktor,
What kind of Russian tournaments did he play ?
I played at chessfriend against OTB Elo > 2600 GM Daniel Fridman from Latvia.
At CC he was only around Elo 2300.
But I could not communicate with him to ask about his motivation for cc
Thomas Tamayo (2007-10-02 18:14:11)
Chess & Go Terms
I needed to look up these terms as I'm not familiar with chess, but no... there's no direct equivalent.
Zugzwang might be "time to resign" in Go, but typically tenuki (playing elsewhere) can get you out of situations. "Joseki" might be on-track (a fixed sequence of play), but still isn't very close.
Zeitnot is simply "overtime" in Go. Go is played on a longer time frame. Although time pressure can exist there's no special word for it.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-02 19:33:41)
CC / OTB ratings
Since strong engines appeared, there's no more a clear relation between OTB and CC ratings IMO. A few months ago, GM Nigel Davies explained that he gave up correspondence chess because it simply asks too much energy and time.
Hannes Rada (2007-10-02 21:16:11)
GMs + engine vs amateur + engine
However it would be interesting to know if Kasparov or any other strong OTB GM + strong engine would play significant better chess than an amateur + strong engine at cc time control.
Mladen Jankovic (2007-10-06 01:33:43)
:s
I figured that I had things under control, but I now realize that I have 3 running tournaments, and I'm on another waiting list.
I'm still underrated since the last time I took on too many games. :s That's just when I settled on a nice slow pace of about 1-2 tournaments at the same time.
Don Burden (2007-10-06 14:10:24)
Some favorites
John Kricfalusi's blog (the creator of Ren and Stimpy). Learn to draw cartoons!
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/
Engrish:
http://www.engrish.com/
http://www.engrish.com/recent.php
The Diary of Samuel Pepys. Read what was going on in London almost 350 years ago.
http://www.pepysdiary.com/
Andrew Stephenson (2007-10-06 19:20:34)
Slave
Definitely thibault is a slave to this site - the amount of time he must spend on it and play cc, mind boggling. Thibault do you actually have a full time job as well as all this?
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-10-07 13:23:08)
Thibault de Vassal
Hi Thibault, do you belong to the nobility? Do you have a castle and huge estates, so you would not need a fool time job and dedicate time to FICGS ?
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-10-07 13:54:31)
Sorry...
It is full time job ...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-07 15:18:17)
Rodolfo
Well, as far as I know nobility has no more something to do with huge estates :) ... Anyway, just trying to always do what I like most, this is a question of organization first IMO.
Wayne Lowrance (2007-10-07 17:02:50)
time increment
A 000027. game 14107. I dont understand this tournament time control i guess. I have been making moves this game but the time increment isnt happening. If continues i will loose on time.....What am I missing Thibault ?
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-07 18:36:20)
increment : 40 days / 10 moves
Hi Wayne, time control is 40 days + 40 days per 10 moves, meaning 40 days will be added to your clock after move 10, move 20, move 30 and so on... You just have to play your next (tenth) move to gain 40 days more ;)
Garvin Gray (2007-10-07 19:59:31)
winner :)
I am claiming 1st place in the southern hemisphere division :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-09 14:49:05)
Cracking Go less than a decade away ?
I just read this astonishing article in the last American Go E-Journal :
“I believe that a world-champion-level Go machine can be built within 10 years, based on the same method of intensive analysis—brute force, basically—that Deep Blue employed for chess,” wrote Feng - Hsiung Hsu (r) in “Cracking Go,” a provocative article in the October issue of IEEE Spectrum, published by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). (...) "with some optimization a machine that can search a trillion positions per second would be enough to play Go at the very highest level."
Looks serious... Any opinion ?
Don Groves (2007-10-10 00:59:50)
Cracking Go?
As I've pointed out before, unlike Chess, the Go board can be made larger without seriously affecting the game for human players. Making the goban 23 by 23 (Big Go?) would multiply the number of possible games by 3.74e+50 and render brute force algorithms ineffective once again. This would also stimulate Go research as new fuseki and joseki would need to be discovered. Sadly, the day will come when the computer will dominate Go -- and every other human endeavor, except maybe for sex ;-)
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2007-10-10 13:28:11)
Cracking Go
This statement seems to relate not so much to Go but more on projected calculation power of supercomputers. My impression is that "provocative" is the main intent here.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-10 22:13:10)
More stressful ? :)
... more seriously, I suppose this time control was directly inspired from the over the board chess classical time control : 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves (correspondence "blitz" time control @ FICGS) .. so, no advantage IMO, a historical issue only.
Don Groves (2007-10-11 02:08:40)
Cracking Go
Svante Carl von Erichsen escrit: "This statement seems to relate not so much to Go but more on projected calculation power of supercomputers. My impression is that "provocative" is the main intent here." No, my intent was serious, only the small joke at the end was not ;-) By making the goban lager, Go can avoid the fate of Chess regarding brute force analysis. Even at a trillion moves per second, as mentioned in the article quoted by Thibault, brute force analysis will fail if there are trillions of trillions of trillions of possible moves!
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2007-10-11 02:38:48)
Re.. Lager?
Instead of a lager sometimes I drink a dark ale ...
Don Groves (2007-10-11 03:52:23)
Re: lager?
Yes, same for me. Or sometimes a glass of Pinot Noir.
Claude Brisson (2007-10-11 09:03:58)
pinot noir
2003 for instance, I've opened a bottle yesterday evening...
would such an event occur (Go cracked), that would be very impressive ; maybe a bit sad, but as Douglas Hofstadter said once : ""It was a watershed event, but it doesn't have to do with computers becoming intelligent."
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-11 12:43:33)
pinot noir, knowledge & 9x9
I agree with that :)
Don, I mean 9x9 should be compared to checkers, it is "chess" at a size where brute force is enough, so a 'particular case' only. But just like Rybka/Hiarcs playing at master level even thinking a few seconds per move by imitating (knowledge + algorithm) an international master's way of thinking more than calculating trillions of positions, why not a Go engine built the same way, much more complex though. Actually Go engines do not calculate much, they try to 'see' already but sure these programs will be improved significantly soon and it could play about the same level (without joseki databases) on different goban sizes. I feel a Go engine could reach a 1 dan / 2 dan level on our small computers, whatever the size of the goban... But it should be incredibly harder to beat stronger players, which is great for Go :)
Don Groves (2007-10-11 23:04:10)
Pinot Noir
Bonjour, Claude! It's been a long time since we last spoke. I'd love to have a glass of that 2003 vintage ;-) And I agree with Hofstadter also...
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-12 01:55:21)
knowledge and 9x9, etc...
I agree :) .. Definitely chess & Go are very different games. Just like one dimension more in Go, so one doesn't know how to implement such an algorithm & evaluation function well yet, but it started and it should be possible anyway. Let's resume this discussion in about 10 years :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-12 22:11:47)
Reminder : Invitation to GM, SM, IM
"FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the Freestyle Cup waiting list for free until one week before the start of the tournament ! .. Please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register. You may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card."
One more day for titled players to register for free !
Garvin Gray (2007-10-14 17:05:46)
:(
Hello Ilmars,
I realised after asking that there is no 60/15 timer on here :(
Sergey Pligin (2007-10-15 12:27:24)
match
My opponent Peter Schuster has made a blunder in a game he plays for White, playing with the other knight. Having made this mistake he resigned in both games. I should note the result in the second game is unclear now. Taking into consideration the match is friendly, understanding my opponent's mistake I ask Thibault permission to cancel results of my finished games and recover a position in the Schuster-Pligin game after 23rd Black's move, i.e. one full move back.
I hope the players of the iGame team will understand me and accept my decision.
It's important for me to continue playing the both games, especially the one I am playing for White.
Best regards, Sergey
Garvin Gray (2007-10-15 17:49:02)
slippery slope
Sorry to say, but I am against this re-instatement. Main reason is the slippery slope effect.
Also what happens if in another game a player claims that they moved the wrong knight and the opponent says too bad or your responsible for moving correctly?
The recriminations and ill feeling could result.
Sorry but Peter is responsible for the moves he makes and his actions towards those moves.
It should be a double win to igame.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-17 02:48:48)
German
Thanks a lot Svante Carl !
So it is better than "Klicken Sie bitte an das Stück, um zu bewegen" and "Klicken Sie bitte an das Bestimmungsortquadrat" ?
Philip Roe (2007-10-18 00:40:41)
Feynman on Go
In a 1985 lecture, Nobel laureate Richard Feynman said that creating an expert program for Go would be a scientific project of very high importance. His reason was that he did not believe that it could done by brute force, and that it would therefore compel researchers to grapple
with the problem of just how human beings manage to do what they do with seemingly meager processing power.
Of course brute force has come a long way in 20 years, but my impression is that virtually no progress has been made of the kind that Feynman hoped to see. Does anyone know otherwise?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-19 22:18:09)
Freestyle cup starts tomorrow, 2 pm.
10 players entered the waiting list !
As we still need more players, titled players (GM, SM, IM) may register for free until saturday 1 pm. server time, please email me. Prize is 80 E-Points at the moment.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-20 05:17:30)
Rybka 3, Fritz 11, Shredder 11...
Rybka 3, Fritz 11, Shredder 11, also Chessmaster 11... new versions of many engines are announced or coming (Fritz 11 - end of november).
It is said in computer chess forums that one secret of Rybka may be "table of exchanges", in other words knowledge, added to a 'simple' & very fast engine typically like Fruit. Many now think that other engines may catch Rybka in a while, but we might have to wait for the thirteen series at least IMO :)
Anyway, the battle continues... Also waiting for Hiarcs 12 !
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-20 23:29:30)
Eros in the lead
After the first 3 rounds, SIM Eros Riccio leads the tournament by 2,5 / 3
Everything is still possible with 4 pursuers at 2 / 3 .. See you tomorrow :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-21 01:07:45)
Go freestyle tournament
What do you think about a Go freestyle tournament, just like FICGS chess freestyle cup ?
A problem is to define the best time control and number of rounds... With about 100 to 120 moves per game & per player, time control 30+10 means 2 hours per round. As there's no draw at Go, 5 or 6 rounds played in a single day could be ok to find a winner. Any opinion ?
Another question is : Are there players interested to play it ? .. Entry fee would be 10 E-Points / 10 Euros, prize 100% entry fees in E-Points (or 75% for a money prize). It may attract some strong players for interesting games :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-21 02:12:36)
Time control
True :) .. It is a lot of energy, 5 games in one day is really hard already. Maybe 15+10 could be ok with 1 round per 90 minutes.
A knockout tournament could be another solution ! .. 8 players means 3 rounds, 16 players / 4 rounds and so on... but less games for most participants.
Don Groves (2007-10-21 04:25:53)
Go freestyle tournament
Another consideration is which time zones the players are in. Standard tournaments around here are two hours per game (1 hour on each player's clock plus five, 30 second extra periods.)
Even being all in the same time zone, it's still difficult to play four games per day.
Don Groves (2007-10-21 04:46:54)
Garry Kasparov
One the video guests on Friday night's US television program, Real Time with Bill Maher, was Garry Kasparov who had been in New York (his family is still there for a while longer). Maher is a political comedian and most of his show revolves around anti-Bush humor. Everyone (including myself) was amazed at the knowledge (particularly of Middle East politics) and political maturity shown by Kasparov! In addition, he easily outdid Bill when it came to comedy, saying at one point that he was aiming quite a bit higher than simply being better than Bush. I wish we had him running for our president!
Lionel Vidal (2007-10-21 11:24:52)
Is a one day limit mandatory?
Playing three rounds in one day is already very hard. What would you think of running a tournament for several days (like one round per day): that would mean, say, 4 or 5 days that could be picked from 2 ou 3 consecutives weeks?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-21 13:52:04)
Is a one day limit mandatory?
No it isn't, but unlike "real" tournaments, I assume that players prefer to spend 1 day hard in front of their computer than a whole week end or more for a tourney... But I may be wrong ;)
Garvin Gray (2007-10-21 20:54:55)
round times.
Only one serious suggestion at this stage.
If all games finish very early, I would like to see the next round start earlier.
Makes the tournament a bit easier to play for those of us who are starting the tournament at 10pm approx :o
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-21 22:23:54)
round times
That's a problem :/ .. Actually I don't really know how to deal with that.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-21 22:35:06)
Eros Riccio wins 1st FICGS freestyle !
SIM Eros Riccio completely stunned the tournament, very well prepared with White & Black on this interesting sicilian line : 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Qb6 8.Qd2 Qxb2 9.Rb1 Qa3 10.e5
Final score for Eros : 5 / 6 .. Congratulations :)
See results and games :
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000001.html
Dinesh De Silva (2007-10-22 09:27:29)
Re:
Haha!!! You might be correct after all. Lets keep a look out for a humorous guy who likes to dabble in a lot of political talk & who has immense playing skill.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-22 15:07:45)
Update : Interface
The interface for fast moves has been updated, now it shows the move number. The (Flip) (Skip) duet disppeared, replaced by symbols and a shortcut to public comments.. I hope everyone see it correctly.
Also a few minor bugs corrected & improvements...
The titles page has been updated - http://www.ficgs.com/titles.html
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-23 02:59:46)
Time zones
I'm to add the waiting list, Go "freestyle" cup will be a 6 rounds swiss tournament... Chess & Go freestyle tournaments will occur at the same time. Rounds will start at 15:00, 18:00, 21:00 server time on 2 consecutive days.
Time zones are a problem for players from ie. New Zealand, but it should be ok for players from Moscow to New-York.
Time control will be 1 hour + 10 seconds per move.
Edwin Dabbaghyan (2007-10-25 00:57:27)
freestyle on FICGS
Hello all :)
I am a bit confused in here...I see two freestyle tours, one "cup" and one "go" freestyle... what are the differences?
and I would like to write my view about the freestyle time control, as it was an issue on the forum I guess... I think we can have two forms of freestyle tours here: one 30+15 with more rounds every time, and one with absolutely longer time controls, like 90+30 with fewer rounds... . A knockout freestyle tournament is also very exciting with 30+15 time controls, in each round best of 3 games goes to next round, and in the third round the player with white pieces has less time, say 10 minutes less.
I hope freestyle tours will be more popular and successful on this server, I like here :)
regards
Edwin
William Taylor (2007-10-25 16:29:24)
Chess and go at the same time?
Why have you decided to hold chess and go freestyle cups at the same time? I'd expect this to reduce participation in both events, as obviously nobody can play in both.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-25 17:09:00)
Chess and go at the same time
That's right, I'd like to play in both events too (maybe I'll do it :)) but anyway probably not many players would play a chess freestyle then a Go freestyle 1 or 2 weeks later, and again and again... !?
Why ? .. Simply because it takes me one week end instead of two.
Don Groves (2007-10-26 01:29:15)
Elections...
And here in the US, we are fighting to have fair elections instead of stolen ones, so we have a lot in common with Kasparov. One difference between the two battles: in response to a question from Bill Maher, Garry said he had hired bodyguards for himself and his family. So his fight is more dangerous than ours -- so far...
Don Groves (2007-10-26 07:45:43)
Stolen elections
There is much evidence that the vote count was manipulated in favor of Bush both in 2000 and 2004. The states of Florida and Ohio were suspected both times. In Ohio, the president of the company that makes most of the US voting machines said in 2000 that he would do everything he could to insure that Bush was elected. His voting machines leave no paper trail, so recounting votes manually is impossible -- we are left to trust the machines! Such is the state of political affairs in our so-called democracy. One of Hitler's minions, I forget which one, said "it doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes."
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-10-26 23:28:42)
voting machines
The famous hacker organisation "Chaos Computer Club" is against voting machines.
On their website is a analyse about a voting machine from the netherlands on pdf.
http://www.ccc.de/updates/2007/wahlcomputer-ausgemustert?language=en
The same pdf is
http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/other/es3b-en.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club
The voting machine will not be used in the Netherlands.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-27 16:26:41)
Mallorca !
Hallo Wolfgang, have a nice time ! :)
Greetings from a sunny but quite cold center of France.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-10-31 18:51:22)
Deep Shredder 11 available
Amsterdam 2007 blitz world champion, Mainz 2006 World Computer Chess960 Champion, Reykjavik 2005 blitz world champion, Tel Aviv 2004 blitz world champion, Graz 2003 computer chess world champion & blitz world champion and so on...
No, that is not Rybka :) .. Deep Shredder 11 is now available and said by Chessbase to have an improved strength of 100 points elo, actually about 80 according to CEGT computer chess 40/20 rating list, which is not bad at all ! .. Evaluation function (passed pawns..) seems to be the main improved part of the engine.
Congrats to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4218
Did someone try the new engine ?
Wayne Lowrance (2007-11-02 00:16:42)
Change in class M rapid
Why in the world would you make an important change like that without consultation of your members.
One member complained and you made a change like that ? Your bad my friend
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-02 20:55:37)
Videogames & the future of Board Games
Quite funny to see the same discussion on GoDiscussions.com and ChessDiscussion.com forums :
http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=457
http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4644
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Apparently, two years ago there was a major exhibition sponsored by the Asia Society in American museums called "Asian Games: The Art of Contest." I have been fortunate enough to get a copy of the exhibition book. I found a quote there that I would like you to comment on:
“We hope that this exhibition, in addition to persuading visitors of the historical importance of games, will also stimulate an interest in playing board games. As computer gamers sit in solitary oblivion frantically pressing buttons to manipulate images on screens, it is worth considering how such games could have succeeded, to a large extent, in eclipsing real board games. The answer may be that they have appropriated much of the best of traditional board games. But it is also worth pointing out that the appeal of most electronic games is ephemeral. Ask a teenager if he still plays the same game he played two years ago, and the answer will inevitably be no. We can predict with confidence that twenty years from now, of the electronic games currently in fashion, it is only those versions of classic board games—chess, weiqi/go and perhaps backgammon—that will still enjoy widespread popularity.
Does the future of chess, weiqi and backgammon, then, lie solely in electronic media? We hope not. However convenient it may be to play chess or weiqi on the internet, nothing can replace the face-to-face social interaction of real games playing—and indeed the attraction of such games as spectacle. It is no coincidence that there is a trend now among jaded electronic games players to return to board games. This renewed interest undoubtedly reflects the need to compete with a real (as opposed to real-time) person. But there may be another reason for this development. The physical satisfaction of holding a well-crafted gaming piece or die, or of hearing the sonorous click of the pieces as they are placed on the board, does not exist in an electronic universe. No culture better understood the aesthetics of games than the Japanese, whose go, sugoroku, and shogi boards were not only objects of exquisite beauty, but were also designed to enhance the sound of piece struck against board. If, in addition to stimulating more research on Asian games, this exhibition prompts some of its visitors to take up chess, xiangqi, or weiqi—or even better, to work out the rules of liubo—then we will be entirely satisfied.”
Colin Mackenzie and Irving Finkel, “Preface”, Asian Games: The Art of Contest (Asia Society), p. 17
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Interesting !
Joseph Thomas (2007-11-04 04:19:15)
Deep Shredder 11
There seems to a good amount of improvement in engine strength. I have a copy of Shredder 11 UCI, but I haven't had it long enough to really test its strength on my own. Apparently according to the CCRL it cracked the top five programs and should be about equal to Zappa Mexico. I wonder where Fritz and Junior 11 will end up?
Mladen Jankovic (2007-11-07 09:41:40)
I know...
...exactly what you're saying. I have a backlog on computer games so long that I find it hard to find time for correspondence chess.
I can't even find time just for computer games I really want to play.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-07 15:37:51)
New category (chess rapid 2000-2200)
Hello Andrew. True, but I don't think it is good to develop rapid tournaments too much, simply because it is quite hard to play, the risk is to see more forfeits on time & to concurrence the chess world championship as it is really hard to play 2 or 3 rapid tournaments at the same time. Also the more categories & players in rapid tournaments, the less in standard ones. Rapid tournaments are designed for players rated 1400-2200 who want to establish their rating quickly or to try the chess wch time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-09 01:05:28)
Chess sponsorship
An interesting discussion about chess sponsorship started on ChessDiscussions.com (Susan Polgar forums)
http://www.chessdiscussion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=504
Several issues : "How to bring chess to the masses ?", "How to make chess a show ?", "What kind of sponsorship is possible ?"
Susan obviously thinks that OTB chess still has a great potential and that organizations could do much better to promote it... Here's my last response in the thread (reminds some old threads here) :
<<<
In other words, you say that chess has a show-potential like any other sport that could be used and that isn't...
For sure traditional marketing methods could help to promote OTB chess, and chess organizations could do much better... but is chess "bankable", just like an actor ? .. I just saw one more comparison between chess & poker in the thread "How to bring chess to the masses", but there's a major problem in chess that doesn't exist in poker or soccer : "everything can't happen", at least at a first sight, actually the way people can see it...
FIDE tried to change some things, ie. time controls, wch cycle but that's not enough, obviously. Anyone can win a lost hand at texas hold'em against any professional player, like any 2nd division soccer team can beat the Real Madrid once... Of course long-time statistics will be always favourable to the best players, but it takes a much longer time... Everything can happen in any event in these games (poker wch, soccer world cup). The probability for a real surprise that makes buzz is much lower at chess, the same best players invariably play the best tournaments, won statistically (ie.) 20% by Anand, 19% by Topalov, 18% by Kramnik and so on... quite boring.
The only interesting chess events follow the same scheme : David vs. Goliath, the buzz-genius 12 boy vs. Kramnik, mystery-Deep Blue vs. Kasparov, Anna Kournikova vs. Fischer & so on... nowadays the man vs. machine match is no more interesting since any home computer is stronger than HAL 9000 or Kramnik and there's no clear world champion (too many FIDE wch, different cycles..)
Chess needs real events and I'm curious to see the ones "that could bring chess to the masses" in the future... Maybe I'm a bit pessimistic, at least for OTB chess, but I'm very interested to see how good marketing methods will be able to transform our chess world... Just wait, hope & see :)
Best regards, Thibault
>>>
I'm now working again on SEO (Search Engines Optimization) for FICGS, more and more players find us via Google... Of course one next step is to sponsor the FICGS WCH & freestyle tournaments but it is a hard task for sure... All comment and suggestions on this issue are welcome :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-11 05:08:02)
Number of games limitation
Hello all.
The current number of running games limitation before the program blocks the access to new standard or rapid tournaments is 60 (which doesn't mean the number of running games is limited to 60)
After having experienced myself the "too many games" effects (more than 80 games, quite stressful and time consuming), and after a few general forfeits by players who probably reached the overdose, I decided to change some parameters to prevent such consequences. In a previous discussion, it had been concluded that it was up to each player to manage this and eventually to take the risk, but definitely too many correspondence games is not the same than playing chess all day.
The number of running games limitation before the program blocks the access to new standard or rapid tournaments (but world championships cycles) will be 30, once more it doesn't mean the number of running games will be limited to 30... Of course faster tournaments will remain unlimited. It should accelerate running games, prevent general forfeits, and help us not to become chess machines, at least "correspondence chess machines" :)
Best wishes, Thibault
Garvin Gray (2007-11-11 07:45:23)
promotion
Time to start promoting the 2nd freestyle cup :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-11 15:46:30)
30, 40, 50... ?
One player (only) said to me that the 30 running games limitation before the program prevents to enter new standard or rapid tournaments [but wch cycles] was probably not enough. I think 60 is definitely too much...
Poll : What do you think about a reasonable number ?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2007-11-11 16:04:50)
Number of games limitation
Hi Thibault,
I prefer: no limitations.
But if you think FICGS need it: 60 games.
Best wishes
Heinz-Georg
Harry Ingersol (2007-11-11 16:05:14)
Number of games limitation
I like the IECG Server practice of different levels based on number of games completed on the server. Beginners are limited to a few games while experienced players can have as many as 50 games in progress at a time. It is clear that players like Peter Schuster and Farit Balabaev play high-quality chess even when they have many games in progress. One limit does not fit everyone and experienced players can make an informed decision.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-11 16:44:30)
50 ..
50 games is a lot already but it could be a reasonable compromise. I like the levels feature at IECG server too, but I don't think it could be ok here with other games available, or there should be a limit for each game : Chess, Big Chess, Go...
William Taylor (2007-11-11 16:59:49)
Total games or type?
Does the limit refer to total games or games of each type? For example, if you have 20 chess games and 20 go games running, will you be blocked from entering both new chess tournaments and new go tournaments, or will you be blocked from neither?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-11 17:53:24)
2nd FICGS chess freestyle
The 2nd FICGS chess freestyle cup waiting list is open. This 6 rounds swiss tournament will start on november 24, 15:00 server time. Time control is 1 hour + 15 seconds / move. Entry fee is 10 E-Points (10 Euro). Prize is 100% of the entry fees in E-Points.
FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free, please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register (you may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card).
Definitely we need strong players to rivalize with SIM Eros Riccio :)
Philip Roe (2007-11-11 19:16:42)
cui bono?
Thibault,
I'm not at all clear what your proposal is intended to achieve.
Are you trying to save us from ourselves? Ruined careers, failed marriages, social withdrawal, vitamin deficiency...? If so I can't imagine a one-size-fits-all solution.
Or are you protecting other players from the phenomenon of a player who takes on a large number of games and then, for whatever reason, forfeits many of them? This seems to happen regrettably often and for that purpose it seems perfectly reasonable to ask people to qualify
before managing a large number of games. Can you pull any statistics that might be revealing?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-11 19:33:21)
Save our souls :)
Hi Philip... No, the aim is not exactly to save carriers, marriages or whatever, but it may help in some cases :)
The main problem is to see general forfeits from serious players who were playing 60, 80 or more games.. I have no statistics but I see every game result, so it is quite obvious to me when a player forfeits all his ongoing games. So in a way, I'd like to protect everyone, players and their opponents, from this.
Wayne Lowrance (2007-11-11 22:51:30)
And you know what ?
The quality of chess should improve. I have seen some preety bad chess here
Wayne
Lincoln Tomlin (2007-11-12 00:06:07)
How about...
Hi Thibault and all, I'd agree that 30 games at a time seems reasonable and should be fairer for all with regard forfeiting games.
But how about setting the ceiling to, say, 30 games max and then if a player achieves, say, 1.5X their ceiling in unforfeited games then the ceiling rises, say, another 10 games?
30 games to start with and when 45 games have been finished they may play 40 games at one time. The when 60 games have been played.. etc etc.
Just a thought. Some responsibility seems reasonable.
Regards, Link
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-12 00:51:23)
Number of games limitation
Hello Lincoln and welcome to the forum :)
Of course you're right, there may be better rules and an optimized system to reduce the effects of this problem in both directions... My philosophy so far for this server is "make it simple" and to keep the rules as short as possible (well, the rules & conditions page size is quite huge already), moreover it is not obvious to detect forfeits automatically but I'll try to think about such improvements later.
Lincoln Tomlin (2007-11-12 01:01:40)
Number of games limitation
That's fair enough Thibault, I agree. Keeping things simple seems a good policy to stick with. I'm glad that I didn't mention my idea of basing the number of games on what star-sign we are born under now. ;)
Link
Dan Rotaru (2007-11-12 01:14:40)
Number of games limitation
I think that limiting the number of games is a good idea, and I have a feeling reading the posts that the issue is not if to do it but the number of games. 40 seems to be a reasonable number. FICGS is still free for corr chess and people are tempted to play too many games at once which not only dilute the quality of the games but leads to too many forfeits. I was horrified some time ago when one of my opponent confessed that he had about 230 games in progress on various sites including FICGS. I believe that even for very strong players too many games will reduce the quality of some games and I am not talking about chess knowledge but about the possibility to do a mistake as the good move in the wrong game.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-12 04:59:04)
Limitation is now 50 running games
I just changed the number of running games limitation to 50. We'll see if it helps to decrease the number of forfeits.
Thanks all for your responses :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-12 14:33:45)
Chess promotion
http://www.kcbd.com/global/story.asp?s=7342103
"People have played chess for over 2000 years and still every game is different from another,"
"It's a great tool for children. It's also a great tool for older people to prevent or delay Alzheimer's disease,"
For sure Susan Polgar do a great job to promote chess in the whole world...
Mladen Jankovic (2007-11-12 15:41:17)
In my experience...
Anything above 40 games is too much.I peaked at about 60 games (IIRC), for me, that is too much, and, IMO, anything above 40 games is too much. Others might be able to play more with no problem, but still...
I think 40 games might be ok, 50 maybe, but no more.
You might consider giving players some control of the limits.
Don Groves (2007-11-13 22:59:04)
Number of games limitation
Hi, Thibault -- I agree with a limit but not for the reason of protecting a player from himself (or herself) because that cannot be done ;-) But to protect the rest of us from long waits between moves, unnecessary forfeits, poor quality games, etc., it is a good idea.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-14 18:47:42)
Cross over & rating cut off
Hi Garvin, that's an interesting idea to have different rating cut off for Standard & Rapid tournaments ! .. Cross over is not a problem IMO, but Rapid tournaments could be displayed this way :
1) Rapid M (2300+), Rapid A (1900-2300), Rapid B (1500-1900) ... ~400
2) Rapid M (2300+), Rapid A (2100-2300), Rapid B (1900-2100) ... ~200
3) Rapid M (2100+), Rapid A (1700-2100), Rapid B (1300-1700) ... ~400
4) Rapid M (2100+), Rapid A (1900-2100), Rapid B (1700-1900) ...
~200
Make your choice :)
Lincoln Tomlin (2007-11-14 19:40:32)
The thing is...
If even fewer ~2000 players enter rapid tournaments won't that make it harder for those who enjoy rapids to rise through the ranks, improve their rating to similar levels and even improve their play in general?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-16 21:52:04)
option 4 -> option 2
My choice is option 4 in a first time.. Option 2 will be ok as soon as we have players rated 2300+ enough IMO, the waiting time is too high at the moment. So I'll change the rapid chess tournaments this way as soon as the next Rapid M tourney starts.. and I'll add a higher category as soon as the waiting time for Standard (Class) M decrease.
Thanks for your suggestions :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-18 15:21:04)
Class M Waiting List
Hello Robert, it wouldn't be conventional to remove players from waiting lists IMO. These players just lost their 2200+ rating but they probably deserve to play this tournament. Rating considered is the one you have when you enter a waiting list. Kind of "last chance" :)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-18 15:29:10)
6 days
... time to promote the tournament !
I feel it's a bit early for a freestyle Go tournament, so only the chess tournament may happen (if we have 9 players at least). The next one could happen not during a week end and with a faster time control.
3 players are in, join the fun :)
Xuan Feng (2007-11-19 01:36:27)
how to start a go game?
hi guys,
can someone show me how to start a game. is this server a real time go server?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-19 01:52:29)
how to start a Go game
Hello Xuan.
This server is mainly a correspondence chess & Go server, then a real time chess & Go server.
You may enter a tournament in "Waiting lists", Go tournaments are below chess tournaments. "Advanced tournaments" are real time tournaments, but most are tournaments with entry fee & prizes, you can play 20 "bronze" games free with your 2 E-Points.
Feel free to enter a Dan, Kyu III, Kyu II, Kyu I tournament, according to your provisional rating.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-19 02:50:40)
Fritz 11
Fritz 11 is now available... I just noticed that it already has a 2914 rating (single processor) at CEGT 4/40 (2 GHz), better than Shredder 11 and Hiarcs 11.1, but not better than Rybka 1.01, to be continued as this time control is usually not the best one for Fritz.
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_AllVersion/rangliste.html
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-20 19:56:40)
Le Grand Journal de Canal+
Frenchies Michel Denisot and Ariane Massenet interviewed (during 5 minutes at most) former world champion Garry Kasparov.
He explained in a few words how life imitates chess and how the rest of the world help Putin to make russia a dictatorship.
During the rest of the show as usual full of nothing, Kasparov was obviously quite impatient to leave and I understand him :)
Don Groves (2007-11-20 23:21:28)
Life imitates chess
It's interesting how we humans invent things and then begin to to behave like our own inventions, or let them run our lives. Money, time, ..., chess. Is the Matrix coming or is it already here in a more subtle form?
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-22 18:07:25)
Freestyle tournaments
Hi Garvin, indeed 5am is a bit hard to start a 2 or 3 hours crazy chess game :)
Anyway, this tournament may be postponed (E-Points given back), I did not spend time enough to promote it 'cause I'm working to sponsorize it by all ways, so I hope it will be more attractive in a few months :)
Also, I feel that a whole week-end each time is a bit hard for most players interested in this tournament, so the formula may change regularly, we could try next time a faster tournament not during the week end, then alternate...
Glen D. Shields (2007-11-23 00:57:19)
I Can't Login Either
Dinesh - it's about 7 PM Eastern US time Nov 22nd and I'm not able to log in to the IECG server either. I'm sure that's frustrating if you want to get some moves entered. Good luck.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-23 01:07:30)
IECG server
I'm sure that Ortwin makes his possible and clocks will most likely be corrected.. We should consider this time as free vacation :)
Garvin Gray (2007-11-23 13:17:48)
free entry
If the competition is postponed again, I think it is only fair to offer free entry to Michael and myself for whenever the next tournament will be held.
For myself, this will now be the second time I have entered the tournament, for it to be postponed.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-23 17:25:21)
free entry
Michael had retired from the waiting list just before, but anyway you're right, this rule could be added to the terms, maybe with a deadline. To be discussed... About the first tournament, it had been postponed a long time before the start (seems to me). Hmm, will be even more challenging :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2007-11-26 23:04:26)
ok.. :)
I see - you don't have enough time today. Or something else.
Post time, when you can play. I hope we will find best for both time.
:)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-11-27 22:37:57)
Baduk and chance : 1dan in LG cup final
A Go player ranked 1 dan is about 800 elo points below a 9 dan player (whatever the ranking system ?!), meaning about no chance to win a game against such an opponent, right ?! .. How is it possible to see a 1 dan player at this level in one of the main Go tournaments in the world ?
Of course everything can happen in a Go game, but I suppose it is not the case during a whole tournament...
From IGN Goama newsletter - http://gogame.info
"An interview with Han Sanghoon, 1-dan, the first 1-dan in Go history, who entered the final match of the World Go Championship (LG cup)
- Congratulations! What was the most difficult game in this tournament?
- The last one with On Sojin, 4-dan. It was really close finally and I think, that I was slightly behind until the endgame stage
- You became a professional about 1 year ago. Did you think that you can reach the final match of the World Go Championship so quickly?
- I remember that it was very hard to become a professional. I was almost 18 and it was my last chance to win the qualification among inseis. Of course, I did not think, that I can show good results quickly. I was surprised, that professional tournaments are not much harder than the insei league :)
- What are your weakest and strongest parts in Go?
- I am weak at the opening, but I feel myself confident in middlegame fights. Usually I try to defend my groups solidly, before fighting
- Who is the hardest opponent for you?
- Yun Junsang, 6-dan. I lost him twice and feel that he is much stronger than me. Also his Go style is very impressive
- What do you think about your final match with Lee Sedol, 9-dan. How big are your chances?
- I never played him before, but I saw lot of his game records and I know that Lee Sedol, 9-dan is much stronger than me. Any way, I will try to win the match! Usually I am not afraid of the star opponents at all!"
Pekka I. Turakainen (2007-11-27 22:44:48)
Can u figure this out?
Some time ago we played a game of chess with my friend and after 66. move reached the following position:
6k1/5b2/8/4q3/1K6/8/1RR5/8 w - - 0 1
We agreed that it's a draw.
No it isn't! It's white's move and the material looks balanced, but black will have his win after 53 moves (if white has an ideal defence).
This is what the almighty Nalimov says.
Don't bother to check this out with your multiprocessor chess software...it'll probably take months before it finds the right combination.
What to speak of the poor human brain.
Feeling humble now....
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-12-01 12:57:09)
time counting
Why is there such a big difference between me and my opponent in http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=move&game=15704
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-01 15:02:34)
time counting
Hello Ulrich.
Yes, this is the only tournament where this problem happened, simply because the thematic opening starts at Black move number 10 :/ .. So the program added time to player Black when playing his first move, not to player White (at move eleven). I did not think about that when the tournament started, but anyway this advantage or disadvantage is shared (3 games with, 3 games without). Sorry about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-03 03:04:56)
"Chess is like" series
Just tried a Google search on "chess is like" :
- Chess is like life (Spassky, Kasparov, Polar or so.. Fischer said Chess IS life :))
- A game of Chess is like a sword fight !
You must think first, before your move...
- To some extent face to face chess is like poker in that it can help to "read" your opponent's body language.
- Chess is like a box of choclates, once you start a game you never know what your gonna get.
- Chess is like body-building. If you train every day, you stay in top shape.
- Chess is like marriage. You cannot have a mate without a check. (Brian Wood)
- To me chess is like a patient and faithful lover; I may not always be there for her - er, it - but it is always there waiting by the phone for me to call and start up with the affair all over again. (Graham Moore)
- Chess is like snooker: once you slip a little it is very hard to get back because there are so many good young players fighting their way up.
- Chess is like golf, 50 percent mental, 50 percent physical.
- Chess is like the saxophone. You can pick it up and learn it, but it takes a lifetime to become any good.
- Chess is like tug-of-war, but it's also like "a cork bobbing up and down."
- Playing chess is like looking out over a limitless ocean; playing checkers is like looking into a bottomless well.
- Chess is like a symphony. The first phase of this piece was a furioso, leading to a quiet second movement, a positional struggle between two very different personalities. (about a Fischer's game)
... and so on. Finally anything's like everything :)
Garvin Gray (2007-12-05 11:10:40)
Downloading individual games
I used to be able to download each individual game to my desktop so I could save it and analyse using a chess engine.
In firefox, I cant do that anymore. Each time I try and download an individual game, the window just changes over to the text pgn, instead of downloading the game to the desktop.
I have looked through my tools- options section in firefox and cant solve the problem.
Has anyone else had this problem?
Possible fixes?
Ulrich Imbeck (2007-12-06 01:05:11)
Where is the PM-Tool?
The situation seems to me:
Even if somebody has turned the private message option on, how can I send him a message?
Where is the PM-Tool?
Dan Rotaru (2007-12-06 18:00:50)
Quotes
“Everybody knows that some things are simply impossible until sombedody, who doesn’t know that, makes them possible.” Albert Einstein
Garvin Gray (2007-12-12 14:38:00)
5
I would like to offer that perhaps five player tournaments should be considered instead of seven player, at least on a trial basis.
This would have two effects:
1) Less waiting time for tournaments to start
2) Players have to enter more tournaments to get the same number of games, increasing the amount of players entering tournaments.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-12 16:14:36)
5 vs. 7
5 players would be great this way, but it has many other effects including on tournaments results & cheating attempts.. 7 players is best for fair ratings IMO.
Garvin Gray (2007-12-12 16:40:02)
5 over 7 as a trial :)
7 players is best for fair ratings IMO.
I do not disagree one bit. The more games and more players in a touranment, the better rating outcomes and fairer tournament all round.
That being said, I think this does need to be balanced against both how long it takes to get a tournament started (which can be quite a while in some cases) and keeping new players on the site by being able to get them some starting games sooner. This has to also be good for accurate ratings as it increases the pool of potential players.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-13 17:59:07)
Wild cards & cheating
I don't think wild cards are useful (but wch cycle, maybe) cause ratings move quite fast, simple rules is best IMO, also to let the program apply accurate rules without human decision, as far as possible...
About cheating, if a player manage to play from several accounts that the program couldn't detect, the effects are negligible in 7-players tournaments, even more at a high level, so he'll stop quite quickly as it requires even more time.
Garvin Gray (2007-12-15 17:28:26)
wild cards
I think a wild card would be a good idea for the higher rated tournaments if there was a rating limit to the wild card.
For instance, after a certain amount of time for entries, entry is allowed for one person rated less than 100 points below the lower rating cutoff.
This wild card player will not be outclassed and if a new player might even be quite under rated and competitive in the tournment.
The point is that after a certain time given for normal entries, I think most players already registered in the tournament would rather the tournament to start than to keep waiting around.
Robert Mueller (2007-12-16 13:57:56)
Conditional Moves
I am sure this must have been discussed in the past, but if I could vote for one improvement on the FICGS server software, it would be conditional moves. After all, it is soon Christmas and the time for big wishes ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-16 16:22:18)
Conditional Moves
Indeed, it has :) .. Conditional moves still brings many questions but I'm still opposed to the idea.
Anyway a new wish list is a good idea ! .. The main issue I'm working on these days is money prizes for WCH & freestyle tournaments, but ideas for improvements are always welcome.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-16 16:31:33)
Make your chess variant :)
"Too many draws, chess is dead", one read such things quite often for a few years. True or not, what about to imagine a new variant like Chess-Vodka (one move or capture, one mouthful.. funny games :))
Ok, I can't implement Zubrowka on this server :) , but we could imagine a funny rule that would let the game rules very near classical chess but with more mad games, less drawish & giving equal chances to both players (main point being FUN)?!
Any ideas ?
Glen D. Shields (2007-12-17 14:51:16)
Conditional Moves ICCF Server
Conditional moves are technically possible on the ICCF server. The tournament organizer has the option to turn the conditional move feature on or off.
ICCF decided to turn it off for all ICCF tournaments. I don't recall the exact reason for doing this, but it has something to do with concerns about time abuse. One can peruse the ICCF Congress minutes to find why this was so decided.
Gino Figlio (2007-12-17 19:53:21)
MPT
Hi Glen,
There is one type of ICCF tournament where conditionals are officially allowed, the money prize tournaments (MPT). Their time control is 10/30 and it was found reasonable to activate conditionals in order to allow players save some time.
Best regards,
Gino
William Taylor (2007-12-18 12:28:27)
Atomic
Implement atomic ches...
Ok, so it's not very similar to classical chess, but it's great fun! When there is a capture, all pieces (but not pawns) within a 1-square radius (including the capturing and captured pieces) blow up. The aim is to blow up your opponent's king. There are very few draws, but white does seem to have an advantage.
Marc Lacrosse (2007-12-18 18:33:50)
High level performance
Marius Zubac just won tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M_01__000003 with an impressive 2631 performance (6.5/8 and no loss in a 2378 tournament)
On his way to victory he cruelly refuted a knight-for-three-pawns sac that I tried in our encounter. Nice job!
Congratulations for this fine performance.
... we need more high level tournaments ...
Marc
Lincoln Tomlin (2007-12-18 20:54:43)
Too many draws
In over the board play, I like Yermolinsky's idea of when two players agree that a position is drawn then the board should be turned around and play continue for at least a preset number of moves. When accepting a draw sometimes a player can see, or thinks he can, some advantage in his opponents position and both players would also have to be confident in what is going on in the position from both sides before offering or accepting.
Hannes Rada (2007-12-18 21:57:02)
conditional moves and ICCF bureaucracy
> ICCF decided to turn it off for all > ICCF tournaments. I don't recall the > exact reason for doing this, but it > has something to do with concerns
> about time abuse.
How can conditional moves be considered as "time abuse" ??
What is the rationale behind this ?
Chessfriend.com had a perfect implementation of (secret) conditional moves.
But ICCF is a slow, conservative and bureaucratic organization.
Why not making a poll to find out if the players want this feature ....
Glen D. Shields (2007-12-19 00:07:29)
Send a Note to ICCF
Hannes - if you want a complete answer to ICCF's rationale, or to argue about ICCF's bureaucratic practices, I suggest you post on the ICCF forum or write one of the ICCF officials. I posted only what I recall. I don't represent ICCF, nor am I here to defend ICCF's decisions.
I agree that CFC's secret conditional moves worked well. Whether conditional moves add value is not an unanimous opinion. Some like it for convenience. Others hate it and believe it adds to an already too fast game. Personally I could care less either way.
Dinesh De Silva (2007-12-19 03:37:40)
Re:
"Methinks King Thibault should dub Marius Zubac a knight of the square board.....I mean table, henceforth addressing him as 'Sir Marius, and bestow on him a suitable land from the kingdom of FICGS & marry him off to a worthy, fair maiden, lest he slice our heads with his mighty sword in his wrath."
Garvin Gray (2007-12-19 09:36:21)
no conditional moves
I do think no conditional moves is the best way to go. It is simple to understand and there is no possibility of confusion.
I can see that having conditional moves would increase a td's workload. On there that would be Thiabault.
Just easier to have no conditional moves and therefore no confusion.
Mladen Jankovic (2007-12-19 22:40:38)
Small board
I was about to propose recently an implementation of a small board variant, just for fun that wouldn't be counted against the game limit.
Such things tend to be just plain fun.
With a small board variation you would complete the offer along side of Big Chess, Chess regular, and Chess 960.
You might want to consider some of Gardner's variants. I've played Los Alamos chess, and it's FUN.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-20 00:21:24)
conditional moves, ICCF
About conditional moves, it would be a lot of work to implement it, but anyway yes I'm opposed to it, following several discussions around it. I think it's not completely fair and adds a (small) chancy factor to the game, so in this way I understand "time abuse".
But I can't see yet how it adds some work to a tournament director (Garvin ?!)...
Dan Rotaru (2007-12-20 03:46:23)
FICGS World Ch.
OK, now it makes sense. Maybe you should have few links: WCH_001 followed by sub links: preliminaries, then Stage 2, candidates final and so on. What about a knock out tourney? Do you think it would be a good idea? I would personally like to play such a tourney.
Cheers, Dan
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-20 18:44:21)
Kramnik vs. Anand 2008
Vladimir Kramnik, Viswanathan Anand, FIDE & UEP (Universal Event Promotion) have come to an agreement : The next FIDE World Chess Championship will take place from October 11 to 30, 2008 in the National Art Gallery in Bonn (Germany). Reigning world champion Viswanathan Anand will play challenger Vladimir Kramnik in a twelve-game match. The prize fund is 1.5 Million Euro, the main sponsor is an industrial enterprise, Evonik Industries, located in Essen (Germany) which was the exclusive sponsor of the 2006 World Chess Challenge between Vladimir Kramnik and the most famous chess program distributed by Chessbase, Deep Fritz.
Any predictions ? .. (may Anand lose his title before that date ?)
Garvin Gray (2007-12-20 20:28:01)
needs new glasses :)
But I can't see yet how it adds some work to a tournament director (Garvin ?!)...
I have not played on a server with conditional moves, but I would imagine that there are times when the two players disagree over what conditional moves were proposed and so the td has to sort it out and maybe 'offend' someone with a ruling against.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-21 00:17:08)
Unfair
I agree, of course conditional moves may be useful to save time, often for both sides. That's not the point.
In many forced sequences, only one side may take advantage of conditional moves to save time, that's not fair and that's the point according to me.
Yugi Inving (2007-12-21 01:35:19)
3 vs 3
I had just had this idea.
this varient of chess have an hexagonal board whit three players playing all for themselves, (no alliance is permitted ). is also have at least six new piece and some new rules or power accorded to some piece.
i will decribe it clearly an other time.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-21 02:19:32)
Yalta
Yugi, do you know Yalta ? (chess with 3 players) .. Actually alliances are almost impossible to avoid in this game.
Gino Figlio (2007-12-21 19:27:23)
conditionals
Hi Thibault,
I would like to comment on this issue.
While it is true that only one side benefits from a one-move conditional, the other side needs only to add his own conditional string to benefit himself from saving time.
Best regards,
Gino
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-21 20:42:31)
conditionals
Hi Gino,
So it's up to the other player, who's almost forced to use conditional moves to save time also. But there are forced lines where only one player has "no choice", that's what I meant. Well, conditional moves could be implemented in many ways, with several lines, a complete tree and so on...
Wolfgang Utesch (2007-12-22 07:28:28)
conditionals
Thibault, I don't think that time saving is the most important reason to wish conditionals but to minimize the workload of clear moves!
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-22 14:26:28)
Highest TER qualifies
Dinesh is right. There was many discussions to justify this rule in the forum. Statistically (for correspondence chess) the rating may be more important than performance to know who has more chances to win a tournament. Anyway this is only a rule.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-12-26 20:08:02)
conditionals
They are a good idea I think the truth of many cc games is decided in a perimeter of a few moves and Wolfgang is right so much boring and unecessary work is involved in getting to those critical points. After 1 or 2 moves with conditionals you could have gone straight to the draw in some of your games Thibault!! Just joking! Please articulate your opposition to the concept a little more.
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-27 02:46:21)
conditionals
Of course that's the main & clearest argument and I agree with that. I'll try to search TCCMB archives (I think this issue has been discussed for a while there) to argue better my 'feelings' by experience on other servers. Anyway there are so many improvements to come on the server before that I couldn't implement it before a while :/ .. To be continued.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-12-27 09:44:35)
option 4
Thibault please consider implementing option 4 now. I cannot see the current rapid M 00009 tournament filling up for a long long time but there are IMO plenty of 2100 players who would sign up for an option 4 tourney who are not going for the rapid A 000035
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-28 14:11:54)
option 4
I tried to change the rating ranges but a few 2200+ players would retire from the rapid M tournament... I'm afraid we have to wait. Anyway I'm to make a major update (challenges) and other improvements on the server, so I can't do it right now.
Andrew Stephenson (2007-12-29 13:31:04)
New Category
ok Thibault look forward to the changes perhaps in a few months time we can revisit the matter ......
Thibault de Vassal (2007-12-29 23:27:34)
Major update : challenges
Hello to all.
Now it is possible to challenge connected players for bullet / lightning / blitz games (advanced chess tournaments - note : please verify time controls, ie. blitz games are played in 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves) with White or Black.
Many improvements to come (when I find some time), to display ratings and so on... All feedback welcome.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-01-01 06:06:03)
Holidays
I want to take a free week.
But it is not possible.
When can i take Holidays in 2008?
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-01-01 17:03:48)
Now it's ok
I had 0 days in the morning. Now I have 30 days.
Konrad Hornung (2008-01-05 07:07:42)
Titles definitions
Can someone tell me what FIM and FEM stand for? I assume the M is master.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-01-05 15:51:09)
Illegal ...
I found this one:
Everything I like is either illegal, immoral or fattening.
Alexander Woollcott
Andrew Stephenson (2008-01-07 07:37:49)
holidays and forfeit
Yes wolfgang he will forfeit although he still has time left he is on holday until Feb 1 and the clock will still run. I never understoofd the logic of running the clock and allowing holidays. This rule is misguided and unecessary I wish Thibault would get rid of it. I think victor does not realise he will forfeit and this will lead to a set of stupid losses I do not see how that helps good chess to be played nor do I see allowing clocks to be stopped would prolong the games to an unnacceptable length. Clearly a very unsatisfactory situation.
Dinesh De Silva (2008-01-07 11:30:35)
Re: holidays and forfeit
"Verily I say that Viktor is a Victim of his own Vacation which is a long Voyage taken Voluntarily, due to non Visits that will cost him Victory!?"
Michael Aigner (2008-01-07 14:03:08)
Possible to stop the clock?
I do not know if Viktor did not know his clock will keep running during his vacation - but if so and this would be the reason he is ging to loose his games,i would prefer to stop his clock and keep him playing the tournament.
Nobody has anything to win when he is loosing on time because he did not know this (slightly unlogical) rule - but to loose a chance to play a very strong player and an interesting tournament.
Would this be possible - OK with all other players of the tournament - OK with Thibbault - OK with Viktor ????
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-07 14:54:59)
Possible to stop the clock
Ok, definitely I have to update this feature right now, but the 60 days limit per move should remain IMO, so it won't be possible to take too many days of vacation according to the clocks (or the player will be warnt that he'll lose some games)...
Well, if all players in the tournament agree to stop Viktor's clock, I'll arrange that.
Hannes Rada (2008-01-07 20:04:20)
Stop the clock
I agree.
It does not make sense to get a win without playing. Because we are here to play chess .... :-)
However I saw that the game with H. Ingersol is already over ...
So I would stop the clock, if every participant in this group agrees.
But we need a more simple solution concerning the reflection time.
I would propose:
After 10 days without playing a single move: 1st warning, after 20 days: 2nd warning, afer 30 days: the game is automatically lost for that player.
Warnings should be sent to both involved players be email.
During 30 or 40 days holiday during a year the refelection time will be stopped.
That's how it worked at chessfriend.com and this is in my opinion the best and simplest solution.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-07 23:07:41)
Vacation : Update
An update is to be installed : It won't be possible anymore to take too many days of vacation provoking the loss of any game without being warned of this.
I agree that vacation could be implemented in a more simple way, but no move should take more than 60 days and it could be possible with a 30 days limit per move and the clock per move frozen during vacation. Anyway, we'll see how it works...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-08 00:50:55)
Incomes of top Go players
One more interesting article from the IGN "Goama" newsletter - http://gogame.info
Incomes of Top Korean Professionals in 2007:
1. Lee Sedol - $600.000
2. Lee Changho - $400.000
3. Park Yeonghun - $360.000
4. Cho Hanseung – $180.000
5. Kang Dongyun - $150.000
6. Mok Jinseok -$148.000
7. Lee Yeongku -$122.000
8. Won Sungjin -$116.000
9. Yun Junsang - $113.000
10. Kim Jiseok – $113.000
Japanese players, even who is not famous on international arena, makes more money, but it's still hard to compare their tournament incomes with top football or hockey players.
Maybe better to compare chess and Go players:
"As sports go, chess is not lucrative for the average professional.
The well known top players who have been able to achieve millionaire
status (Karpov and Kasparov) are the exceptions. Aside from them,
there are only about 20 players world wide who do well financially
from chess ($100,000+ per year income), and another 100 or so that
make a comfortable living ($50,000+). The next 1,000 players, on
average, come out about even -- earning in prizes what they incur in
entry fees and expenses. Then come perhaps 10,000 players who invest
several thousand dollars more per year than they earn." -- from "GM
RAM: Essential Grandmaster Knowledge" by Rashid Ziatdi and Peter
Dyson, PROChess LLC, New York, 1998
Glen D. Shields (2008-01-08 03:36:15)
What are the Costs I Wonder?
This lists income ... I am equally curious what it might cost to play full time. Unless a player has a sponsor surely there travel expenses and tournament fees to cover. Then, of course, there's all the behind the scene preparation to become the best.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-08 03:49:08)
Cost of passion
Hi Glen !
What are the costs to play full time, what's the cost of time, good question. One parameter is passion for sure, so the price may be not so high during the first years, but it is possible that the cost increases quickly as soon as a player reaches the top !? :)
Robert Mueller (2008-01-03 09:38:38)
Great Article, but ...
Yes, a good article, which is missing similar information about Rybka, Zappa and maybe a few others. But copying the article here is strictly speaking illegal (© 2007, Steven A. Lopez. All rights reserved.). A link would have been enough.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-08 03:51:46)
Time & passion
...waiting for Dinetszche De Silvathoustra's opinion about this interesting issue ;)
Glen D. Shields (2008-01-08 04:10:25)
Other Expenses
Happy New Year Thibault!
Besides time, fees, travel there is also taxes and depending on where the player lives there may also be a need to pay towards retirement pensions, healthcare, etc.
My point ... $600,000 sounds like a lot, but when one factors in the whole enchillada, it's really not much money at all to be the very best in the world at your profession!
Andrew Stephenson (2008-01-08 08:37:49)
Lost on time
Well I think it maybe too late to save Victors participation as the game against Harry Ingersoll is already declared lost on time. Its an interesting position and game, Victor is a pawn down but has active play as compensation its not lost at all. I expect when he sees this game lost he will just resign the rest. So we will lose the participation of the highest rated player because of a rule that is not well understood and occurs without warning. The only way to save that and play chess is if Harry agrees to play on I would understand if he didnt but its a mess frankly
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-08 15:17:36)
Lost on time
It is possible to continue the game anyway.. We'll see.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-09 05:42:09)
4th FICGS chess championship
The 4th FICGS chess championship just started, it is now much easier to find tournaments (quarter finals, stage 2...) in the Tournaments page.
Quarter finals this time are :
1 - Harry Ingersol vs. Mark Noble
2 - Hannes Rada vs. Farit Balabaev
3 - Eros Riccio vs. Marius Zubac
4 - Peter Schuster vs. Thibault de Vassal
As a reminder, in case of equality the highest TER in each match qualifies if all games are drawn, the lowest TER qualifies if not all games are drawn.
The next stages of the previous championships will start as soon as possible...
Have good games !
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-10 15:44:51)
...
Hi Wolfgang, one point for you ;)
Well, after my message I noticed that some important games were not finished in the round-robin cycle, but ok, as soon as possible is best so I'll create your games before...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-11 05:00:33)
FICGS improvements : Your opinion
Hello to all...
Kind of poll, it would be useful to know which part of the site looks quite or really unclear to you. FICGS website continues to grow, I tried to use some symbols repeatedly to make it coherent but it's quite obvious that it's not easy to understand how the site works at a first sight.
Feel free to point unclear functions or to make suggestions...
Thanks in advance :)
Mladen Jankovic (2008-01-11 09:18:06)
re:
Lack of sincronisation with the width of the screen is an anoying feature for me. You might want to fix that sometime.
Patrick Richardson (2008-01-11 12:34:00)
game number
I think it would be an improvement if when switching from one game to the next if the game number was present on the top of the screen, instead of scrolling down to see which game it is. Pat
Robert Mueller (2008-01-11 19:24:42)
Personal Mails
Hi Thibault, I am not sure this is a problem. Maybe I just have not figured it out. I would like to be able to send a personal message to my opponent AFTER the game is finished. Sometimes I offer a draw, my opponent accepts, and the game is gone from my list. I would like to send something like "thank you for the game" or "good game". I just don't know how to do that.
Konrad Hornung (2008-01-13 03:05:32)
Possible Improvement to site
I like to sometimes analyze a position before moving i.e. move pieces around, and I don't think this a possible option on the game page.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-14 16:19:56)
challenges
Hi Andrew, yes players are ordered by login time (then roll so looks like random) while they most probably should be ordered by rating. Maybe soon... If a player challenges you, a line with an "accept" option appears below the box. If you challenge a player, a line that you can remove by clicking the double arrows appears below the box and your opponent is warned. But I have to make new improvements to increase the interest of these bullet/blitz bronze games - maybe it should be free after all :) .. Now, the empty games (without any moves) will be deleted by new ones...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-15 05:13:17)
"No games to display"
Did anyone notice a strange bug, ie. "Sorry, there's no game to display" (when actually that's wrong) in My games, while other pages, ie. the forum, work correctly.. this bug looks like to happen after a long time without loading a new page.. (so only the message box automatically refreshes regularly)
I'm not sure where's the problem yet... Thanks for feedback.
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-01-15 20:47:51)
Re
But I have to make new improvements to increase the interest of these
> bullet/blitz bronze games <
- maybe it should be free after all
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-16 04:36:01)
FICGS unavailable -> time added
FICGS server was offline / unreachable (provider problem) during 7 hours. I added 7 hours to all clocks in running games.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Konrad Hornung (2008-01-16 07:11:38)
Games Database
Having a user friendly games database, showing the board and position and listing the options of moves played in that position by users of the database, with the option to filter games below a particular rating e.g. 2000, is my next idea to improve this site.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-16 19:32:31)
FICGS rules
Hello Peter, I understand your point of view. Correspondence chess is not OTB (over the board) chess and rules may not go the same way.
FICGS WCH rules can be found here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=entry_tournament&tournament=ficgs_chess_wch
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#chess_wch
... so you should have seen it before to enter the waiting list.
The idea in this correspondence chess championship is to find the best player, of course. In correspondence chess, rating is much more important than in OTB chess to know the "current" level of a player, and should be taken in account, just like performance. This rule is quite hard but this way we can organize a new cycle every 6 months, so more chances to reach the final stages. Anyway this issue will be discussed again and again.. and rules are just rules.
Best wishes, Thibault
Richard Allen (2008-01-17 00:32:08)
time added
thank you!
Don Groves (2008-01-17 06:38:49)
The list...
... the never ending list of improvements ;-)
Robert Mueller (2008-01-17 18:44:38)
Yes, great ...
... improvements on the My Games page. It looks very tidy now. Keep up the good work.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-18 15:33:03)
Bobby Fischer dies in Iceland
Quite a surprise, as usual... even if he was seriously ill for a long time. Goodbye Bobby and thanks for the games.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-21 04:29:10)
Bobby Fischer in the news
Quite impressive to hear so much about Fischer's death in the medias taking his past into consideration... Fischer was a living legend whatever his thoughts & life after the century match in Reykjavik 1972 against Boris Spassky (actually the whole world already).
FICGS statistics from search engines and particularly Google exploded these last days.. "Robert James Fischer", "Fischer Spasski", "Fischer champion du monde", "La partita del secolo", "Fischer random chess", "Fischer Palma de Majorque" ... and so on... sometimes stranger (even quite frightening) keywords associated to him.
Anyway, Bobby continues to promote the chess game all over the world !
Garvin Gray (2008-01-21 08:02:03)
database
I have a database of my played and ongoing games in fritz.
I just download each game after a few moves and add it to the database and then keep refreshing the game each time a move is made to keep the position and my analysis current.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-01-21 18:18:35)
database
Good thinking Garvin, I wish I had done this from the beginning. Too late for my entire ficgs games. I try what Thibault said, sounds very time consuming tho
Wayne
Mladen Jankovic (2008-01-21 20:32:58)
Inport from pgn?
Why not simply click on the computer icon in my games, click on all games, where you get all your games in pgn, copy-paste all of the games to a plain pgn text file, and import from that.
This is just a guess that seems reasonable, as I do not own Fritz, however it should be supported the way I've described it.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-25 16:29:52)
Chinese Chess, Shogi ...
Hi Christophe... Of course it has been discussed here already. Well, it is technically possible, but it is not technically possible before a few months :)
The real question is : Do you want FICGS to be a multi-games site or mainly a chess place ? .. I've included Go (weiqi) because this game is really different and interesting, I'm not sure yet about the others and "A few is better than too many" IMO (what a quote) :)
Dan Rotaru (2008-01-25 21:54:21)
Logged out
It happened to me few times because my Internet connection was down for few seconds. When I tried to access other link on the website I was told to try again. Maybe the server resets the connection if the Internet is down?
Don Groves (2008-01-26 00:04:01)
Logged out!
Hi, Thib -- it just happened again. It's been happening regularly just in the past few days. I use Firefox on a Mac with OS X, which shouldn't matter, but I know sometimes does ;-)
Charlie Neil (2008-01-27 11:14:00)
Robert J Fischer
My brother said that Bobby Fischer was the 'Jimi Hendrix' of Chess. Simple as that. IMO
Ivan Pljusnin (2008-01-27 16:43:11)
Team complectation
FICGS team could be much stronger, I think. Some of your players have lost their games by time. Imagine, you replace them with winners of FICGS World Championship and other strong tournaments of FICGS. FICGS result would be much better...
In fact I do not believe neither in official correspondence chess titles nor in ratings. They do not show real strength very often. On IGAME the best part of our team is anonymous players, I think. Their achievements in this match are just fantastic. 9 members of IGAME team who play under imaginary names have now 14.5 of 17! Owl (here he is "Dojnikov") is going to win his last game. Probably he is our best fighter.
P.S. If I was allowed to play as Mobutu, I'd play stronger!:-)
Mladen Jankovic (2008-01-28 17:55:36)
Tried YINSH
I tried YINSH, just enough to pick up the rules. It seems to be that good. It swaps first place with Go from time to time on boardgamegeek.
I never got around to trying GIPF, but I've heard it's well suited for correspondence play.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-01-29 02:22:10)
Chess, Chinese Chess, Go
Hi Hannes... No, I didn't "really" tried chinese chess yet. I'm not sure if I prefer chess or Go anymore... Chess is more fun IMO, but Go is so interesting and mysterious.. just so different ?!
Nicola Lupinacci (2008-01-30 12:18:55)
Under-10-move checkmate
I think checkmate under 10 moves will be counted in rating variations, becouse if you checkmate a player you do not win automatically the game: he has to resign.
I don't now perfectly how rating works but in my opinion rating variation is not cuonted only in games that endend before the 10th move with one player losing on time
Is it correct?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-03 22:27:43)
Rules change
:) ..
Actually provisional rating rules & registration page (default value) have changed between the time Wayne registered and Hao registered...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-03 22:29:35)
Logged out!
Definitely, no !
I'm sure it is not your imagination though ;) .. I've no explanation !?
Don Groves (2008-02-04 00:18:53)
Logged out!
I do have an active imagination ;-) It must be an obscure interaction with Firefox on OS X. It is very sensitive to extra keystrokes on FICGS. If I accidentally hit a second key while waiting for FICGS, Firefox hangs (only on the FICGS tab) and must be restarted to fix the problem.
Julien Coll (2008-02-04 08:11:23)
hello :)
I mean: 15 people maxi for each game, each time I connected -that's not enormous anyway... :) some months ago some members of the the ASA (the french shôgi association) used to meet all monday evenings in Kurnik -I don't know if they continue doing it again.
If you're able to understand chinese, korean, japanese, etc... perhaps you'll find plenty of very good internet clubs devoted to these games :o)
There is a shogi club called ISC, but I don't know if it is active.
about shogi and servers: a good server for OTB play is Shogidojo... but the level is quite hard for beginners.
there are other sites for differed play (ex. in Brainking you can play to the two games).
Andrew Stephenson (2008-02-07 02:59:03)
Tie break rules
Yes knock out winner likely to have higher rating. However the round robin winner might have increased rating in getting to the candidate final. For example in 000002 Harry Ingersol could draw all his games in the knockout final and drop from his rating of TER 2555 and go through to candidate final (his future rating at the moment predicted at 2493)The other contestant Wolfgang has a predicted rating at 2489. Whereas Daniel Brunsteins could put in a strong showing winning the round robin final and improve his TER of 2476 (future rating estimated at 2487)Its quite possible that he could go into a candidates match with the higher TER and lose where all the games are drawn under the present rule. Why not just keep to the higher TER winner for an even result with draws and the lower TER tie break winning in a tie where the ganes were not all drawn
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-07 03:43:44)
Tie break rules
This set of rules favour the players with the highest TER at the start of the cycle (or CER - cycle entry rating), who play the knockout cycle, anyway the challenge for a player coming from the round-robin cycle - so difficult already - is just even more interesting :) .. looking at the first candidates final, I'm not sure at all who's favourite according to these rules. Xavier Pichelin is a dangerous player with an under-evaluated rating yet, he had to win (several) games in all stages of the round-robin tournament and he did it well, now quite the same situation but only one win could put him in a favourable position. He's used to this challenge, I think it is just more challenging and interesting this way. But the main idea is always to favour the highest tournament (here I should say cycle) entry rating.
"Victory belongs to who wants it more" (Bobby Fischer)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-02-07 09:33:55)
cycle entry rating??
Thibault now your really confusing me?? I do not think there is any concept of cycle entry rating being followed in your WC system! In the knockout stages players ratings change so there entry rating changes in different stages. eg Wolfgang entered the quarter finals for 000002 with a TER of 2460 he was successful (against you)and played the semi final with improved TER 2523 and for the the knockout TER was the same 2523 with Harry had TER with 2456 for quarters but went to semis with TER 2459 and for knockout final his TER changed again to 2555. Now if CER is operating Thibault, the knockout final match should contain entry ratings at the start of the cycle ...this is extremely important because that would have wolfgang on 2460 and Harry on 2456 which will make a difference as it reverses the TER at present showing in that match leading to opposite results in the event of a tie. The same occurs for the stages and round robin finals - updated ratings are used for tie breaks at each stage. Anyway for the next cycle why do you not just change the candidate tie break rule to make it consistent with all the other tie break rules ie based on TER at the time the stage commences. It does not make any sense to give an advantage to say the no 8 rated player at the start of the cycle who goes into knockout over the no 9 rated player going into the stage and round robin. Both players will benefit from improved TER during the course of the cycle before they meet in the candidates final where there strength at that entry point should be a tie breaking factor and not where there rating was 1 year or more years earlier- the more so as their changed ratings since will/may have been used as tie breakers along the way anyway. Either that or introduce cycle entry ratings concept and keep ratings fixed for the duration of the cycle for tie break purposes for all matches and stages!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-08 00:57:29)
Candidates final tie break rule
"But the whole process is a method of determining a challenger for the WCC not a challenger to one of the top eight." << Well, actually it is also in a way, why not ? :) Anyway, thank you for discussing this point and trying to improve the rules, it would be great to know the opinion of other players !
Philip Roe (2008-02-09 18:01:20)
Moving advertisements
Thibault,
I understand your need to generate revenue, and I may be the only one to feel this way, but I find it very irritating to have advertisements displayed that employ dynamic graphics.
They are, of course, designed to be eyecatching, and I find that they make it almost impossible to focus on the analysis board, which was a very welcome recent innovation.
Philip Roe (2008-02-09 21:28:14)
Simple fix
Or, as I realised about ten seconds after posting, I can just maximise the analysis window to hide the ads...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-12 00:56:28)
Bobby Fischer Goes to War
Haha, nice idea... Nicolas Cage could be an interesting Fischer. Elijah Wood may be surprising as Fischer IMO. John Travolta as Boris Spassky ? :) (no, Stallone-Rambo was a bit too much but it quite looks like David vs. Goliath already)
Iouri Basiliev (2008-02-12 19:54:37)
match is close to the end
Very nice win by GM Andrey Sumets. Positional exchange sacrifice 22. Rxd5! was very impressive.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-02-14 13:40:04)
ratings
Hi thibault some time ago I think you suggested that you were going to start people at a higher rating? Maybe 1800? At present you have some players starting at very low ratings who are obviously going to be strong cc players. One outstanding example is Zack Stephen at 1300. He won the PAL/CSS frestyle advanced chess tournament in 2005 and as ZackS has remained at the top getting high places each year Just a thought .....
Andrew Stephenson (2008-02-14 17:10:57)
Rule
Hi Thibault just to clarify your answer there IS a draw by 3 fold repetition rule at FICGS? What happens if the server does not notice? As an insurance should the player making the claim notify the referee that he intends to play a move that will lead to the the same position appearing on the board (with the same player to move) for the 3rd time?
Garvin Gray (2008-02-14 19:00:38)
draw claims
Hello Andrew,
A point about the laws of chess from your last post.
The player who is claiming the draw via three repetition of position does not actually play the third move on the board. They are to get the arbiter (in this case referee) and indicate which move they wish to play.
The arbiter then makes the required ruling (draw or incorrect claim).
By the laws of chess, if you were to play the move on the board, it is then your opponent's move and you can not make any claim for a draw.
So taking this for server play, the server should not say draw until one person has made a successful claim. The reason for this is that both players may still want to play on after the third repetition.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-15 00:56:58)
draw claims
Thanks for pointing out this rule, Garvin. The server detects threefold repetition, and the game IS automatically adjudicated as a draw when it happens. I think it is reasonable for internet chess, but it is not specified in the FICGS rules yet, so I may have to change this.
Mladen Jankovic (2008-02-15 09:59:55)
re:
I still use the old interface, as it works even in a command-line browser (don't ask).
Still, that game was a long time ago, and I only noticed a few months after it was over.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-15 14:13:29)
SGF files
Hello Amir, you can download Go games as SGF files [see (download) link at the bottom of the game page] that should be ok to be imported by any Go software (!?). I don't know PANDA-gIGo though...
Philip Roe (2008-02-15 18:48:06)
Current WC
Sorry, Iouri, but you are wrong.
But even if you were correct, your comment would be wrong (IMO of course)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-15 21:31:39)
ratings
Hi Wayne. About provisional ratings, you started with the default rating at that time (1400, max. provisional rating was 1700 though), as every player do in any organization, now why a strong player delete the default rating (1800) when registering ? .. I understand this as "no rating, beginner", this is most probably what happened with Zack's rating.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-02-15 22:47:18)
FICGS other forums
Hello to all.
You may have noticed new banners on the right of the chat bar before to login, so this other part of FICGS website. Well, looks like a small portal now, these new forums (seo forums, buzz blog, web directory, country & city forums and chat..) should help the games server, even if there's a lot of work to make it coherent and to improve it yet. Feel free to use it anyway :)
Lots of improvements to come on the chess server next month. Have a nice week !
Best wishes, Thibault
Iouri Basiliev (2008-02-16 00:16:43)
2 Philip
Sorry Philip, but it's MY opinion. Kramnik got his title when he won WC match against Garry. Nobody got it from him. It was "No rematch" and Leko was not a legitime pretendent. So unfortunately.
Mladen Jankovic (2008-02-16 15:00:33)
re:
The new interface seems to be mainly graphical, and I doubt that Links has JavaScript implemented. I prefer to input moves using notation manually, regardless.
The command line browsers I used so far were various variants of Links. I use those if I'm stuck with just the terminal for one reason or another. Or if I'm playing certain openings and don't bother switching to graphical interface.
Garvin Gray (2008-02-17 11:43:54)
Anand
The official answer is Anand after winning Mexico.
This has even been admitted by Kramnik.
The match between Anand and Kramnik is for the official world championship, so once again the crown in on the line, this time in the 'right' format of a match. Only 12 games though with rapid tiebreaks.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-02-18 23:00:14)
ratings
Thibault, it is not important anyhow, but I do not know exactly what you mean. In my case I didnt delete 1800 provisional or override anything.
I just play chess.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-03 12:38:05)
2nd GM standard tournament
Hello Marius, yes it is closed now. The reason is it (most probably) won't be filled before a very long time - we have more and more 2300/2400+ players but not enough yet. Maybe we can change the rating range but it is quite difficult already to fill the next SM tournament waiting list. Any opinion welcome.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-15 12:43:07)
Unfought draws & rating calculation
An interesting article at Chessbase.com on unfought draws (mathematical, logical and practical considerations), also called "grandmaster draw" in the article, and ways to avoid it, by mathematician and logician Kung-Ming Tiong, Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4513
I notice that the main solution proposed just looks like FICGS rules for advanced chess (Performance +/- delta according to the color) :-D .. Anyway I still have to take some time to make this part of the server more attractive.
This thread may be a good place to ask for a feedback about FICGS current rating rules (for both chess & Go), what do you think ? :)
Miroslav Leskiv (2008-03-16 18:02:47)
35-14
My opponent resigned in his "white" game. He could offer more persistent resistance if played 32. Qh6+ Kg8 33. e4. Anyway, I would like to thank him for the co-authorship. So, only one game remains :-)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-03-18 08:00:21)
Rapid categories
Well thibault we had a long discussion about this with a lot of input and agreement you stated that you would implement the following:
"Rapid M (2100+), Rapid A (1900-2100), Rapid B (1700-1900) ... ~200"
you have completely gone back on this and your new range is hopeless - you will get 1900 and maybe some 2000 players thats it nowhere for 2000 +_ - 2300 players to go
Please check the archives reconsider and implement the range agreed to
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-18 15:53:20)
Rapid categories
Hello Andrew, I remember well our discussion :) I made this quick change because I saw most waiting lists empty and I had no more time, but the idea is still to create 200 points range categories (the only difference is the 2300+ one, I have to find a way to keep quite coherent names and rating ranges, working on, maybe a SM category 2300+).
Wayne Lowrance (2008-03-19 05:43:02)
rapid Categories
Thibault you can never make everyone happy.
I would like to have seen a rapid rating starting at 2200. But never mind, I wont be entering in any for quite sometime until hopefully when I get to the 2300 barrier. Gonna be very difficult. Impossible in any of the rapid tourney windows.
Wayne
Mark Hailes (2008-03-20 17:56:40)
Voting for best game
Woops screwed up again. I inadvertantly pressed "vote for best game" on a game in my tournament and immediately got a confirmation of the vote. Sadly i don't think it was one of my own games :-) and in any case the tourney has only just started! I think it might be an idea to have a confirmation dialog with the game information that you are voting for, to make it harder for dense people to screw up. BTW is this option for voting for best game in a tournament or some other criteria?
Mark Hailes (2008-03-20 23:23:16)
Voting For Best Game
Hi thibault------
I’m a bit envious of those carriage returns you manage to get in your posts...
>>>> Voting will be more difficult <<<<
I do tend towards laziness in my daily life (I can’t imagine life without a dish washer for instance). But even so the fractional mouse movement & additional click would not I think cause me such effort as to eschew voting, but it might make it more likely that I’d vote for what I consider to be the best game rather than a random one :-). So that’s one vote for the confirmation!
>>>> There's no criteria... 'best' game, according to each player :) <<<<
I assume then (from this somewhat enigmatic comment!?) that voting is for the best game in the tournament. Perhaps it might make sense not to allow voting on a game until it is finished? It may be that after playing well in the early part of the game, the player/s collapse later and mess it up.
BTW. If I vote again for another game, is my vote removed from the first game I voted for? or not counted? Or can I in fact claim that multiple games are the best game in the tournament? What happens if I vote for the same game more than once?
Don Groves (2008-03-26 06:00:24)
Teaching games?
Go teaching games would be way for FICGS to improve the caliber and possibly the number of Go playing members. How about it, Thibault, and other top players?
Vjacheslav Perevozchikov (2008-03-27 11:14:31)
Ratings
I have played more than 40 games. 30 wins & only 1 loss (misclick :)), and don't understand one simple thing: why my rating is so small - 1867 points. I saw other members with much worse performance & much more rating? What's wrong here?
Thanx
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-27 22:58:03)
Improvements
Hello all. Yes, I still have to make some improvements this way (optional chess or Go challenges), it should be available in a while.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-03-28 18:57:10)
time per move
Thibault the time per move rule and vacation rules need to be changed as they create a ridculous situation. Example you have under the time per move rule 10 days (but 20 toal days) left and without thinking take 11 days vacation - you have resigned the game! the game is lost because you cannot cancel the vacation and cannot move!! This is an easy mistake to make becase the my games summary just shows the total moves left, This seems harsh and you should at least allow vacation to be cancelled at any time I cannot see any down side to that.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-29 18:35:09)
time per move / vacation
Hello Andrew. This issue has been fixed a few months ago, all clocks are verified, if you try to take 11 days vacation in this case, a warning message in red appears... also the My games summary shows the time left for each move taking account of the time per move rule, so it should be ok... But I'll add a note in the vacation page about this.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-03-29 21:36:49)
time
Hi Thibault whats the cut off point for the warning? Does it just show up if the vacation exceeds the time left or within 1 day? Can the vacation time leave you with 1 minute or 1 hour for your move? I am wrong about the My games time - it does show the time to move time - sorry!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-29 23:30:05)
time
It shows up if vacation exceeds the time left only... So yes, vacation time can leave you with 1 minute :/ I'll make an update tonight this way. Thanks for raising this point :)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-03-30 07:25:30)
Freestyle cup : Rules & start
There was a small conflict in the rules, now corrected : The first game will start at 13:00 server time, not 15:00
Current rules :
FICGS advanced chess "freestyle" cup is a 6 rounds swiss tournament with entry fee and prize, played in a single day. Entry fees are E-Points that you can buy in 'My account'. Read carefully terms and conditions, particularly Entry fees & Prize money sections before to play tournaments with entry fees.
All games are played in 30 minutes + 15 seconds / move. Norms are not possible.
The first round will start at the date and hour (13:00 server time) indicated as "deadline". Next rounds will start at 15:00, 17:00, 19:00, 21:00 and 23:00 server time. Please register carefully as it is not possible to retire from the waiting list. It is strongly recommended to display the chat bar to communicate with the tournament director.
If several players obtain the best score and the best Sonnenborn-Berger, they will share the prize. It is possible to forfeit all next games (that will be unrated for the advanced chess rating list) during the tournament.
FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free.. Please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register. You may be asked to send a copy of your passport or ID card. The tournament might be cancelled if less than 7 players registered before the deadline, in this case entry fees will be given back to the players.
An extra fee, usually 30% of the entry fee, will be added to the entry fee 2 days before the start of the tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-04-04 03:51:57)
sponsor
Looks like we need more time to find a decent sponsor for this tournament :)
Lincoln Tomlin (2008-04-02 03:38:45)
Unsporting behaviour
It would be respectful if players who have no intention of making any more moves in a game would have the decency to resign. Some players on here are carrying on with other games at the same time so are obviously ignoring these games on purpose. It messes around with your grading cycle if you only have a few games awaiting results and I personally find it very rude behaviour.
Rant over :)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-04-05 02:43:40)
FICGS 2nd Freestyle Cup
Obviously the tournament won't probably be really interesting before I can sponsorize it and find additionnal sponsors... Ok, I'll make some important changes during the next weeks, this 2nd freestyle won't start this time again, we need more time anyway. Sorry and many thanks to the players who entered the waiting list !
Lincoln Tomlin (2008-04-06 10:53:43)
Also...
Why you have to wait over 30 days for someone to resign a position in which they are checkmated(!) is also beyond my comprehension. Allowing a time period is fair enough but there should also be a limit.
Garvin Gray (2008-04-06 14:02:58)
not a fan
Now that the tournament has been cancelled, I have a couple of comments regarding what was the proposed format of 6 rounds of 30 + 10 in one day.
Players on here previously objected to this type of 'fast' time control as
it gave too much advantage to engine only players over freestylers. This point was also discussed heavily when 45 + 5 was used in a playchess freestyle tournament.
I will not be participating again in a tournament under this time control when for me play starts at 9pm and will finish at about 7am with 6 rounds in one sitting.
I would find it much easier to play one round per day at 90 + 30 over a few days, with play starting at 1300 server time.
While this may seem like a big commitment, I would think that more players can make a few hours commitment each day, than a 12 hour or so commitment on one day. Especially when trying to run a tournament across 24 time zones.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-04-06 18:06:20)
time control
Once more, you are probably right about time controls.. just tried, but anyway, no formula will fit to everyone :( .. IMO the main points are the site has to improve yet and we need more players, then things should follow. Of course, feel free to make suggestions...
Two points :
- I just wonder if an 'open' waiting list is ok for such a tournament : Maybe players shouldn't be able to see the players who already entered the waiting list (cause of course everyone may wait to see who registered before to register...)
- Following some improvements, bronze games may become free soon. More players could familiarize with short time controls.
What do you think ?
Andrew Stephenson (2008-04-06 23:50:54)
checkmate
Hi Thibault I think in the case of checkmate the system should end the game there and then. I say that not because it would necessarily reduce players spinning out games but because playing on a server this should be automated. Isn't checkmate always the end eg in email (ie non server cc)chess?? I had no idea it wasnt here it is on other servers I have played on. actually I think many players dont know that checkmate does not end the game here and that they have to wait for time to elapse so I dont think players would all stop the move before checkmate abd it would reduce time in some games. Incidentally stalemate should also be an automated draw
Julien Coll (2008-04-07 12:02:41)
Hi Lincoln :)
OK for checkmates.
...
--Does 1 or 2 games really change sthg about the rating? -Taking into account the rating is very often updted here- --
-- Is it really sthg about politeness/unsporting behaviour? I don't think so: for example, is it unsporting and not polite to lack time?--
--It's just a game after all.--
Friendly ;-)
Garvin Gray (2008-04-07 12:47:43)
freestyle
- I just wonder if an 'open' waiting list is ok for such a tournament : Maybe players shouldn't be able to see the players who already entered the waiting list (cause of course everyone may wait to see who registered before to register...)
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I would not recommend denying access to the waiting list. The reason is two fold:
1) Players will be regularly asking, who is playing and how many entrants so far? If these questions are not answered, then it either looks like there is something to hide or that the tournament is not going well.
2) It will just increase your work load of answering more questions.
- Following some improvements, bronze games may become free soon. More players could familiarize with short time controls.
It might be an idea to try the next freestyle tournament as a free entry tournament with the one game per day/long time control idea.
As for the bronze games being free, a trial period has already been offered and success has been limited. This gave everyone a chance to familiarise themselves with how the timed games operated. I do not think many players took this up.
As for paying for competitions, the payment options must become a lot more simple and obvious.
A simple paypal option would probably be best.
From my otb organisational experience, even offering a bank deposit option is beyond some players. And this is in competitions where the players know the organiser in person.
Lincoln Tomlin (2008-04-07 13:07:31)
...
Hi Julien. Each cycle requires that you play at least 9 games otherwise you will have an 'estimated' rating. This could prevent you entering certain tournaments for another couple of months because of games hanging in the air through no fault of your own. Yes, it should be a friendly game and people leaving games hanging is not really solveable. However, games that have checkmate positions when the ratings are calculated every 2 months should automatically be ended, imo.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2008-04-07 15:56:48)
Call referee
Hi Lincoln,
there is one of the FAQs:
Question - My opponent is checkmated, why the game isn't finished ?
It's a more friendly way and your opponent can send a last message to you. If he does not resign, he will lose on time anyway. (you can call referee if it takes too much time)
So in case of a checkmate you can call referee.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-04-12 02:30:13)
freestyle
"It might be an idea to try the next freestyle tournament as a free entry tournament with the one game per day/long time control idea."
It might be... I'll think aout the other points too. Thanks for sharing your views, Garvin. (also there's a paypal option too)
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-04-14 19:05:39)
i tried to resign
In http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=move&game=15697
i tried to resign.
what does i have to do in the move formular?
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-04-19 11:25:44)
Submit
I see submit not send. Must be the same.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-04-27 00:52:53)
blitz
Hi Garvin, the reason why blitz games shouldn't be free is the 2 hours time limit for the 1st move. I'm not sure anyone would wait so much time to save a few rating points ;)
Marc Lacrosse (2008-04-28 08:06:12)
Eros Riccio won 8th Freestyle !
Eros Riccio (as "Ultima") won 8th Freestyle !
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=3894
Congratulations !
Marc
Volker Koslowski (2008-04-28 10:10:33)
Too much...
Hi Thibault!
The idea is nice but seeing the full conversation history at every move is a little bit to much I think. For me it would be enough to see the last message from my opponent and the message I've sent to him the move before. Maybe it is possible to introduce a new option at the preferences where we can set the number of messages that will be shown at the game?
Regards!
Volker
Volker Koslowski (2008-04-28 11:01:53)
Conversations
Hi Thibault!
That's a reason why I didn't find the delete option. I still use the old plain HTML interface which I prefer more than the javascript interface. So I will wait for your new trick and in the meantime I will switch to the other interface from time to time to delete messages when thy are to much for my taste :)
Thank you and greetings
Volker
Marc Lacrosse (2008-04-28 23:12:00)
Is it a joke ?
" In correspondence chess i let my computer think 0-1 min "
In correspondence chess I never let my computer(s) think less than several hours on one move.
I also analyse on my own with computer use for at least 30-60 minutes per move.
I also prepare openings for at least one hour per day _everyday_ even when I have no game at all running in the opening phase.
I built one of my computers specially for chess, an overclocked quad with efficient watercooling.
I will go for an eight-processors one in the very next months.
My main weakness is that I like playing unorthodox openings
So it's a bit difficult to go higher than 2400 elo here ...
So if you let your computer go 0-1 min per move we probably do not play the same game ...
But I cannot imagine your pleasure when playing a move that has been decided by a "0-1 minute" engine analysis.
Marc
Benjamin Block (2008-04-29 17:32:19)
Is it a joke.
No i don´t need more to get i play vs low rated player my future ELO is over 1700 so i don´t need more time. I will analysis more and more when i get higer rating.
Dale Leisenring (2008-05-01 10:04:10)
What EXACTLY are the Time Controls?
Would someone PLEASE tell me EXACTLY where is the server, why do I need a new password everytime I log on, what are the time controls? Thank You Very Much!!
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-01 13:42:03)
time controls
The server is accessed on the site, you can tick the box on log in and then your password will come up automatically, once in you go to waiting lists and enter a tournament that your starting rating permits, the time controls are described under the categories (world championship is the same as the rapid time control), check the my games to see when you have games click on the game and you can play with the server keeping all the records. Hope that helps
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-01 13:50:35)
hours for the computer
I don't se much benefit to letting the computer think for hours frankly wants it gets to 20 + ply. There all sorts of horizons in positions that letting the computer run for a year wont sort out. Marc why are you playing this c3 stuff against the sicilian with such great kit? You play the same openings all the time and I thought it was because you had not much time!!!
Marc Lacrosse (2008-05-01 18:03:17)
to Andrew
"I don't se much benefit to letting the computer think for hours frankly wants it gets to 20 + ply. There all sorts of horizons in positions that letting the computer run for a year wont sort out."
There are other ways to use engines than letting simply one of them run for hours.
You may interactively walk along the various branches of the tree going from current position with one or several engines running.
You may also have engines playing some kind of test matches against each other from the current position or from any critical position that you identify along the possible continuations.
You can use Rybka randomizer against itself or against other engines for more exhaustive evaluation through test games
And so on ...
"Marc why are you playing this c3 stuff against the sicilian with such great kit? You play the same openings all the time and I thought it was because you had not much time!!!"
1. I never played this disreputed c3 stuff against the 2..d6 sicilian (with or without the 4.Be2 pawn offer) before january 2008 in my 140+ former serious correspondence games
Indeed I did choose it because I erroneously enrolled in three new tournaments simultaneously and I feared to miss time for serious analysis due to heavy workload at that time.
Results are a bit disappointing with it : five draws so far and two unfinished games that I should win (one win is sure and the other one is probable).
This should lead to a 64% result and a 2333 elo performance. Not shining but not that bad insn't it ?
2. I like playing unorthodox openings in correspondence play.
I do not see any interest in beginning my games with 30 moves of overanalysed theory.
Most often I decide for a side variation and I do play it in as many games as possible simultaneously : I do the analysis job once for all while being fully "in the mood" of a similar set of positions.
Then I change for something else
I won't probably ever play any more game with the line I played against you.
3. An exception is the Basman-Sale Sicilian (2..e6 4..Bc5).
I like it a lot and even have a web site devoted to it (http://chessbazaar.mlweb.info/basmansale/index.html)
I am in a running series of more than twenty corr. games without a single loss with it and decided not to stop using it until defeat happens
I probably analysed it more than anybody : I have several thousands of analysed lines in my files.
I am just busy to consider switching to something more agressive for cases where I need to play for a win as Black.
Regards
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-01 19:06:17)
passwords & time controls
Hello Dale, if you experienced any problem with the left login form, feel free to try the other one (on the right) at https://www.ficgs.com/login.html
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-01 19:50:21)
Marc
Thanks for the informative reply! I do the interactive walk thing you mentioned its very useful though you need reasonable power to have several engines running at once - this you have! I am afraid I dont know how to organise test matches but sounds good. same with Rybka randomiser I have the engine but no idea how to use the randomiser and get it to play itself. 2 wins from the c3 is good as I think it gives white nothing ..but in the line I chose I noticed that after Gelfand (as black) got a draw against Adams with this line Adams repeated it aginst Kasparov who varied. So I guess Adams had an improvement perhap it was what you played? - as black has to find some very accurate moves . Incidentally I very nearly played 5..g5!!? which is really interesting but as my other games were promising decided to settle for taking a draw
I like the Basman-Sale and although I have given up e4 in cc will play e4 if we play again as I have some ideas against it. Thanks for the reply
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-05-02 15:59:02)
Showdown time
It seems we should have a (deeper!) look at WC-Quarter Final Riccio-Zubac - it is showdown time!
The both last games are equal for all the 33 moves and Riccio has just to draw for the match win - easy? I'm not sure.
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-05-02 21:32:37)
Showdown Number 2
WC-Knockout Final Ingersol-Utesch: Ingersol has just to draw the both last games. Most games in this final has been much better for him, but not good enough for a win. And at the end there is a single game with a very complicate position (#17894) which is making the situation extremly thrilling! No one can be sure what will happen.
Jason Repa (2008-05-02 22:36:29)
Lasker Variation of the From's Gambit
My game against Marc-Eric Plante is finally over after more than a year. I've been dabbling with the idea that this line of the From's gambit may be losing by force. If someone can find an improvement for Black with some supporting analysis, I'd love to see it.
http://chessmusings.blogspot.com/2008/05/from-night.html
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-05-03 07:15:10)
Game 17894
Hi Andrew, I analyzed this position without an absolute certain result yet. White is clear better, but the way of win is very, very small (if it exist). Enjoy looking what will happen in this game next time!
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-03 09:28:38)
From??
Completely lost for black imo its madness to throw away a pawn like this at cc - I suppose there might be some way to grovel for a draw after 4..Nf6 black will probably get his pawn back unless white plays e3 and d4 when he has the hole on e4 has a kind of compensation. After 4..g5 can put up more of a fight with 5...Nc6 at least white doesnt get quite such a massive a massive centre All black has are some tactical tricks and a temporary lead in development once white avoids these and gets his pieces out of the box its dire for black. The last GM to play this as black (Kotronias) got a completely lost position although he won the game! On the other hand 1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white .... if everyone would reply with the From I would play nothing else but f4!!!
Jason Repa (2008-05-04 07:45:33)
From??
I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to conclude that all variations of the From's Gambit are busted. We might end up finding out that some variations of it are fine for Black.
I also disagree with your statement that "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white". Assuming I'm willing to hypothetically go along with the argument that there's supposedly something "wrong" with 1.f4, even though it's at worst a Dutch Defense a move up......you're not taking into consideration the fact that some people actually do more than "play" correspondence chess and want to practice lines they play in live tournaments. 1.f4 has been played by many of the world's greatest players, and in serious competitive tournaments. Fischer, Kasparov, Lasker, and many others have played 1.f4 occasionally, and there are many current IM's and even a GM (Henrik Danielsen) who have played it quite frequently.
Perhaps your idea of "playing chess" is to simply plug a position into various chess engines and mindlessly relay the moves your program suggests, but as for myself, I use the data I acquire from my cc games to prepare for my real chess (chess between human mind vs human mind). Anything other than that is just analysis or group study at best.
Jason Repa (2008-05-04 08:17:16)
From??
FYI,
5...Nc6 doesn't "put up more of a fight". It loses immediately to 6.Bxg5. I rarely have anyone play that badly against me in an online bullet game, let alone a cc game.
and in the line with 4...Nf6 (called the Mestel Variation), there is no clear way for Black to win his pawn back.
Jason Repa (2008-05-04 11:54:53)
Lasker Variation of the From's Gambit
One correction. My comment about 5...Nc6?? 6.Bxg5 was from the line:
1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.Nf3 g5 5.d4
But I still don't believe that 5...Nc6 holds any more promise than 5...g4, even from: 1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.Nf3 g5 5.g3. The reason 4...g5 is played is to play to "g4" and dislodge the knight on f3. I don't believe delaying "g4" is going to benefit Black, as was evidenced in:
Malaniuk,Vladimir P (2600) - Tseshkovsky,Vitaly (2510) [A02]
RUS-Cup Krasnodar (3), 1998
1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.Nf3 g5 5.g3 Nc6 6.c3 g4 7.Nh4 f5 8.d4 f4 9.Qd3 Nf6 10.Bxf4 Bxf4 11.gxf4 0-0 12.Nd2 Be6 13.0-0-0 Bxa2 14.h3 Nd5 15.Ng2 Qe7 16.hxg4 Rad8 17.e3 Rd6 18.Rh5 Ncb4 19.Qe4 Qd7 20.Bb5 c6 21.Bc4 Bxc4 22.Nxc4 Nf6 23.Rg5+ Kh8 24.Qf5 Nbd5 25.Nxd6 Qxd6 26.Rh1 c5 27.Nh4 1-0
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-05 12:50:53)
From here to eternity
Yes there might be some variations that are survivable especially OTB but at cc its tough to give up a pawn so early on. I think f4 is a perfectly ok first move (like b4) I just think it does not give any prospect of an opening advantage at cc because there is no surprise value and the black player has the time to research and find a response that equalises fairly quickly. That is why very few GM's have F4 as a main white weapon - it does not give enough prospects for an advantage - at the highest levels. Please note that qualification. I quite agree real chess is between people in real time and cc is a form of research competition. Getting experience for real world chess is a great reason to play a line at cc. There are exceptions OTB I often play the exchange french and have had good success (played by Kasparov Tal Morphy and others) I would not play it at cc though! In fact OTB I always play e4 but at cc gave it up because I see no way to get any adavantage against the caro kahn. Just relaying the moves the computer suggests does not, I think, give much chance of success against good players at cc.
As for the From I do not believe in g5 white has to avoid the tricks and develop and is a pawn up. Not so easy otb!! - but at cc not so much of a problem. As for Nc6 yes I was talking about this move after 5 g3 and you are probably right I will try to look at the game you gave and do some analysis. As for the Mestel variation I thought black would get the pawn back unless e3 and d4 are played but again that was based on a quick look. Anyway perhaps the thematic tournament wil provide some answers.
Hannes Rada (2008-05-05 19:26:29)
Luck ?!
> A lttle bit knowledge and a lot of > work and luck, that is the mixture
> you need for a win in high level
> correspondence chess game.
So you think that luck is an integral part of the game ?!
Such a statment and my chess world view collapses :-)
But sometimes I've the same strange feeling: chess is a game of luck !? :-)
Jason Repa (2008-05-06 03:59:45)
Bird's Opening
Comparing 1.b4 to the Bird's Opening is just revealing your lack of chess knowledge. There have been many books written about the Bird's Opening. It has it's own discrete chapter in MCO, and its played in serious games in professional chess still today, as I've already mentioned to you. I wasn't making an argument that it should be someone's "main weapon", and I don't use it as a "main weapon" myself. Your original statement that I was contesting was: "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white".
I'm significantly higher rated than you are on this site, and I beat you quite easily when we played last year (only took me 33 moves if I recall), so I don't think you're any authority in cc either.
And you shouldn't equate a lack of an "opening advantage" with winning potential. Chess is a complex game, and its not about simply trying to make the best theoretical move all the time. It's about defeating your opponent. Theory suggests that 3.Nc3 is the strongest objective continuation for White against the French Defense, yet you still see 3.Nd2 quite regularly and even 3.e5 sometimes. There is more to think about than trying to get an opening advantage when it comes to winning a chess game. There is positional maneuvering and jockeying, as well as psychological factors to consider.
Additionally, trying to win the most games on an online correspondence chess server isn't everyone's goal. Some of us play real chess and use the information garnered here to assist us in our over the board play.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-06 12:10:33)
Strictly for the birds
Thanks for the link for the games they are nice. Obviously playing the From or the approach adopted by black in these games is not an accurate response! Better to play like Of course 1f4 does not lose or lead to a worse gane for white - it just allows black to get equality very quickly and easily. The "waste" is that white has the first move and a lead in development and chances for an advantage. 1 f4 doesnt develop any piece (except the king!) and is a bit committal and slightly weakening of the king side.
I would like to show with analysis exactly what I mean. Black has many good systems here is one. 1 f4 d5 2 Nf3 g6 3 g3 (e3 is the other way to play more on that) Bg7 4 Bg2 Nf6 already black is equal IMO. GM Jakubiec (2524) played this position 3 times last year as white against Rozentalis (2581), Bartel(2608) and Kadziolka (2295) and won all 3 games! He would 0-0 play Q-h4 and g4 f5 and roll them over! In every game black got an advantage in the opening and lost but at cc thats not going to happen. In each game it was easy to see blacks mistakes and to see the right move to maintain an advantage for black.
The other set up for white is to play 3 e3 (instead of g3)Bg7 4 Be2 (4 c4 is interesting)Nf6 5 0-0 0-0 6 d3 and now after c5 its level but I would rather play black. Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta. These Dutch reversed attacks can be scary to face otb but they are harmless at cc. Conclusion: 1 f4 is a dangerous move otb especially where the opponent is not expecting it but against an accurate cc player it does not offer any hope of an opening advantage - its a waste if the goal is to get some opening advantage - its productive if the goal is to gain experience and insight into f4 for use in real chess.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-06 15:01:06)
A bird in the hand
I think comparing f4 to b4 is quite reasonable - they are both off beat openings. On the question of chess knowledge I do not know how much he knows about b4? It can also be a dangerous practical weapon and can pose the black player more problems than f4. It is played by serious professional chess players in tournaments eg GM Christian Bauer (2626) has played it several times successfully this year and quite a few IM's regularly play it with success.
Now to comparing rating sizes something I confess to not having done since I was in short trousers. My current rating is 2225 with a future rating of 2247 but with 2 rapid games in the pipe line this should be a future rating of 2300 + shortly lets see. Mr Repas rating is 2281 with a future rating at the moment of 2316. How significant is that? Well I had the opportunity to look at his games to see what his rating is made up of. 10 of his wins have come against the same opponent Sandor Porkolab and in 7 of these Mr Porkolab abandoned the games in level, drawn or in some cases better position for him. Given that in these "wins" he was often rated over 2100 or in one case over 2200 this has boosted Mr Repa's rating significantly. He has not so far had much success in WCC not having got past stage 2.
As reference to my loss was made I can say that this was in a variation (the Prins of the sicilian) that I believe is unsound. Actually I overstepped the time limit while on vacation although I think the game could not be saved I learnt my lesson and do not play dodgy openings any more.
I have never on the other hand been busted after 17 moves in a main line opening at cc as sadly Mr Repa found himslef against Bucsa Loan (Game 1249),then rated 1700. Then again I have stopped trusting the books and analyse for myself.
Still less could I imagine being lost in a cc game after 16 moves in an exchange French (by tranposition) An instructive loss to Torsten Opas ( game 4388)- won with simple developing moves - worth playing over. Incidentally proves what I was saying about the exchange french it can be dangerous - although not of course, at cc.
Finally there is Mr Repa's pet Bird shot down by Mr Kotlyansky in the approved way as follows 1 f4 d5 2 Nf3 g6 3 e3 g7 4 Be2 Nf6 5 0-0 0-0 6 d4 c5 7 dxc5 Qc7 and Black was fine winning in 72 moves. Never having lost with f4 did not include this because I suppose it was a bullet bronze game.
I am afraid I am naive enough to think that people play chess on the server to win and increase their rating - clearly there are people who play to learn and strengthen their game and for whom results and rating are secondary. No doubt such people would not be interested in anything so vulgar as comparing ratings. Neverthe less its all just opinion and we are all free to express it within the rules of the server. So: f4 is a waste of time at cc little more than an invitation to draw and the From is unsound and almost like resigning.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-06 18:04:40)
From RIP
"would like to know how you refute the line which begin with 10..Bf5 instead of your opponent's move 10..Qe7. It usually continues with 10..Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 and now what?" The answer is 13 Be3 and after Be6 14 Bf2 f5 15 Nd2 GM Kotronius tried 15..Qf7 16 0-0-0 Bxa2 when 17 e5 looks winning. Instead 16..fxe4! 17 Bxe4 Bxa2 and maybe black can hold with Na5 to come. Obviously 14 e5 is critical after 14 ..Bxe5 15 Bxc6 Rxh2 16 Rxh2 Bxg3+ 17 Rf2 black gets 2 pawns for a piece and an exposed king but white still has some winning chances. That leaves 13 ..Bd7 but the bishop is more passive and will probably end up going to e6 after f5 etc White has 14 Bf2 or 14 Kd1! intending Kc2 and Nd2 both look good. The problem for black is that his long term comp is the h file pressure which doesnt balance whites extra centre pawn. IMO
Wayne Lowrance (2008-05-06 21:10:26)
how do you use correspondence chess.
Very interesting postings. I discovered just here that I am terribly outgunned here. I have a single cpu on a rather slow amd processor. I do not complain tho as correspondence chess using engine(s), is more about technique and metholodgy in analyzing with your engine. I think it is more important than cpu power, just an opinion.
Wayne
Jason Repa (2008-05-06 21:54:09)
Bird Brain loses in 33 Moves!
"Obviously playing the From or the approach adopted by black in these games is not an accurate response!"
That's not obvious at all. What's obvious is that I beat you quite easily when you and I played cc so you're far from being any kind of authority whatsoever!
"1f4 does not lose or lead to a worse gane for white - it just allows black to get equality very quickly and easily"
I just finished trying to explain to you, in the way a young child should be able to understand, that there is more to think about in chess than trying to play what current theory considers to be the best try for an opening advantage. Yet here you are rambling on about the same nonsense you were in your previous posts. Was Fischer's 2.d3 against the French the objectively strongest move? Even against (and perhaps especially against) computers, it can sometimes be better to play sidelines or moves which may serve to confuse an opponent. Is the King's Indian Attack the best try for an opening advantage for White? Probably not. But it was used by Kasparov to defeat Deep Blue. If you still can't understand the concept I've been trying to teach you, after several posts, I don't know what more I can do for you. Just keep mindlessly playing what established theory tells you are the strongest lines,(without having even the incipience of an understanding as to why) and keep mindlessly trusting the evaluations your program gives you, and you'll keep getting CRUSHED by guys like me.
"1 f4 doesnt develop any piece (except the king!) and is a bit committal and slightly weakening of the king side."
After this statement, if I didn't know better, I would have thought you were someone who just learned how to set up the pieces. It might be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say. Does 1.e4 develop a piece? How about 1.d4? I suppose those moves are "a waste in cc" as well. We should all be playing 1.Nf3 and 1.Nc3 according to you, lol.
1.f4 grabs space. It stakes out influence both in the center and on the kingside. It effectively prevents 1...e5 (lest White goes into a dubious gambit system) as an alternative to other moves which achieve this. There are also other intangibles that are part of the picture, such as the psychological effect the move may have, the lack of preparation an opponent may have against it, etc. If you ever began to understand chess at a level beyond just plugging moves into a program, you might start to appreciate that allowing concessions (such as the slight weakening of the White kingside resulting from 1.f4) is all part of the game. Fischer's famous quote: "you gotta give squares to get squares" is a famous example. If allowing static liabilities were something to be avoided at all cost, you'd never see a Sicilian Scheveningen. It allows all sorts of weaknesses.
As for your so called "analysis". It's a complete joke! For starters, you're "analyzing" a game resulting from the Leningrad Variation of the Bird's Opening. I line I've never played in my life, let alone here on FICGS. Is this how you try to win an argument/debate? By misrepresenting the facts? An intelligent person who genuinely felt that their argument had a leg to stand on, would simply take one of the 4 games I provided to you and do some analysis from there. Showing where Black could have improved. Then finally, after trying to "score points" with examples of the Leningrad Variation of the Bird's Opening, which I have never played, you post a game where White played poorly and lost to a lower rated player. As if that's never happened before in chess, lol. You don't even know enough to post the date of the game. I couldn't find this game on any of my databases(totally over 4,000,000 games), so if you didn't just make it up out of thin air, perhaps you got more wrong, such as the actual moves that were played, in addition to incorrectly stating:
"Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta."
Is it Black that lost here or White?
I took a brief look at the game, and it's hardly representative of proper play by White. 7.h3 was dubious at best. I prefer 7.Ne5. White then misses another opportunity to play the knight to e5 after 7...c5. Then 9.g4? is a gross thematic mistake. The only thing this game proves is that you're completely incapable of discussing chess in an intelligent way. Real chess players look for games that illustrate the critical lines for both sides, and try to arrive at some actual insights.
There is a reason I crushed you when we played cc last year.
Jason Repa (2008-05-06 22:01:25)
10...Bf5
A good question Pablo. This is one of the points where I felt that Frenchie made an improvement. The main line used to be 10...Bf5, which I believe is worse than 10...Qe7, because White is a move up after the Bishop on f5 must move again soon.
For example; 10...Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 13.Be3!+/-
Jason Repa (2008-05-06 22:07:42)
From's Gambit
"And when you say that after 4..Nf6 you don't see how Black can get the pawn back, I want to say that chess is not all about material but activity"
I realize that Pablo, probably a lot better than you do. I didn't state, nor imply that White was up an entire pawn or that Black didn't have some compensation (albeit probably not enough) for the pawn. If you re-read both my thread and the one I was responding to, you will see that we weren't discussing the amount of dynamic compensation that Black gets for sacrificing the pawn. We were discussing whether or not Black gets his pawn back. End of story.
Jason Repa (2008-05-06 23:08:30)
Bird Brain loses in 33 Moves!
"I think comparing f4 to b4 is quite reasonable"
You would. But we all know what happened to you when you and I played chess. I beat you in 33 moves. And we can see how not only do you not provide a game that's at least somewhat representative of the critical lines of the opening, but you can't even figure out when the supposed game was played, or whether or not White or Black won, and you only post a tiny fraction of it to boot. So evidently, what YOU think is not exactly to be regarded in high esteem here. Most people wouldn't have required my explanation where I described quite clearly how there have been many books written about the Bird's Opening. It has it's own discrete chapter in MCO, and its played in serious games in professional chess still today. They would already understand on their own, or would at least be intelligent enough to look up the information without having to have their hand held and have it spoon fed to them. But even after all this, you STILL don't understand. And you mention Christian Bauer who only pissed around with 1.b4 when he was playing opponents 400 elo LOWER RATED! One of his fabulous wins this year, that you were alluding to, was against 1861 rated Jacques Decamps, lol. The rest of the time they were 2100-2300. Has he ever played 1.b4 against another GM? (never mind super GM, as 1.f4 has many times been played against)
An opening move like 1.b4 might be fairly compared to something such as 1.g4. You won't see any dedicated chapter in MCO to either of those openings, but they're at least interesting enough to warrant some discussion in the "misc flank openings" chapter. 1.f4 might better be compared to something like Larsen's 1.b3. A sound sideline.
You want to talk about ratings? I've had to build up my rating from starting at the default of 1700, by winning 117 games (one of them against you), because I wasn't aware when I opened the account that the admin would let you start with your established elo. It's not surprising I played Sandor Porkulab a lot of times, as we both were very active playing a lot of games. Unlike you who started with the advantage of an inflated rating, which was somewhat tempered after that beating I gave you last year.
Sometimes in correspondence chess people abandon games and don't log in again. This was the case with Sandor Porkulab, although I had already beaten him a few times in games that were played to completion, and he wasn't better in any of the games that were abandoned. You're lying through your teeth there, or perhaps you're just too incompetent and dishonest to assess the games objectively. Why would Porkulab have 7 games against me where he was "level or better" when I had already beaten the guy every time we played before that? Did you even look at those games? Or is this just your pathetic way of trying to "score points" by using lies and deception? Additionally, the way the elo system works is that even if you do get a few easy points from say a win from an abandoned game that perhaps might have ended in a draw, that gain is quickly diluted and your rating naturalized as you play more games, because you win less points when you win,(or draw a higher rated opponent) and lose more when you lose (or draw a lower rated opponent), than you would have if you didn't receive those points. I've played many games since then and my rating here is probably where it would have been If I had not played Porkulab at all. Or if not already will soon be. So this is a pretty weak argument from you. A better argument is the fact that I CRUSHED you in 33 moves when we played. Porkolab at least gave me a decent fight when I played him. That's more than I can say for you. I felt like all I had to do was outsmart a machine when you and I played. I didn't have to worry about any human judgment from a real chess player getting in the way of my victory!
As for me getting a lost position after 17 moves against someone? For starters, I've played about 190 games here. What have you played.....32? And I think that's a testament to the fact that, unlike you, I'm a REAL chess player, so my goal here isn't to simply try to win the most online CC games to try to give myself some artificial illusion of ability. I don't always play what I consider to be the objectively best moves because I like to experiment and LEARN SOMETHING from the time I spend here. But having said that, I STILL outperform you greatly, and crushed you when we played last year. I'm also higher rated with a higher future rating, even though you had the advantage of started with a boosted initial rating. So much for what you "think" you know about the strongest moves in cc, lol.
And your future rating is only 2247, not 2300+. If you want to discuss what might happen after some of your current games are resolved, don't sell me short at 2316, which is already a given. Talk about the 2370+ I expect to have after some of MY current games are resolved. If you want to argue/debate with someone, learn to do it in an intelligent and fair way. So far all you've accomplished is to lose the paltry amount of credibility you once had.
Pablo Schmid (2008-05-06 23:13:38)
Jason,
"I realize that Pablo, probably a lot better than you do"
What? How do you know? You know nothing about me and you say that...
"We were discussing whether or not Black gets his pawn back"
Is that question more important than "Does Black have a sufficient compensation for the pawn"?
"For example; 10...Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 13.Be3!+/-" Easy response when I already said that I would play 13..Bd7 here and now what?
Pablo Schmid (2008-05-07 00:34:11)
...
"Actually you're wrong once again Pablo. I know that you're only a 1912 rated player on this site"
Yeah, on this site... I began here as a 1700 (the first rating here) and I lost many games on time or because I was very busy and in a hurry to play a move without checking seriously to not lose on time. And corr rating does not mean everything. I play OTB too. Do you? I would be happy to play with you, even if you seems a bit arrogant when I see the way you speak in general.
And still, when I read that: "FYI,
5...Nc6 doesn't "put up more of a fight". It loses immediately to 6.Bxg5. I rarely have anyone play that badly against me in an online bullet game, let alone a cc game.
and in the line with 4...Nf6 (called the Mestel Variation), there is no clear way for Black to win his pawn back.
" There is not discussion about material, you seems to judge the position on the fact that Black could not regain the pawn, so they are worse...
Jason Repa (2008-05-06 23:41:40)
Pablo
"I realize that Pablo, probably a lot better than you do. 'What? How do you know? You know nothing about me and you say that...'"
Actually you're wrong once again Pablo. I know that you're only a 1912 rated player on this site. And I also know that you have difficulty understanding the difference between a discussion of dynamic compensation for material, and one of simply whether or not material can be recovered. Only in your mind is there the implication that "chess is all about material". Material is one parameter, and that is the parameter that was being discussed. You need to learn to understand that. Nobody was saying that was the only parameter to consider, or that it was the most important parameter to consider.
Jason Repa (2008-05-07 01:09:36)
Step up, or shut up!
"I know that you're only a 1912 rated player on this site" Yeah, on this site... I began here as a 1700 (the first rating here)"
Join the club. I started as a 1700 player also. You've lost over 25% of your games. And to weak opponents at that. So I'm quite justified in assuming that I'm a better chess player than you, and by a very wide margin also. The fact that you couldn't figure out on your own why 10...Bf5 is no improvement over 10...Qe7 is just icing on the cake.
But anyway, I've had enough of you whining about your low rating and making excuses for your poor performance in chess. Excuses are for losers.
And there was nothing "arrogant" in any of my statements. The problem here is your stupidity and incapability at understanding what has been said to you. I've already explained to you TWICE that you were wrong in assuming that there was an implication that "material is everything" when I was discussing the recovery of material. That was not said nor implied. What part of this isn't sinking into your skull? How many more times does it need to be repeated for you to be able to understand???
I don't normally give free chess lessons to insolent patzers like you, but I'd be willing to have you a few bullet games on a secure server like playchess.com where in bullet time controls you won't be able to use your chess program to do the thinking for you like you do here. I've already had this type of thing go down with another motormouth on this site. I beat him 100% of the games and posted a link to them. At least he was man enough to step up to the plate and play me. You made the challenge so don't back down with any excuses, like the excuses you used to explain your paltry 1912 rating. And obviously if we're going to play real-time chess with the assumption is that its going to be human mind vs human mind chess, it's going to have to be fast bullet games. Not standard blitz where you have time to see what rybka running on your other computer suggests. Let me know what your playchess.com account name is and when you're able to play.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-07 05:15:58)
f4 or not f4
1.0 Pablo here is a link you should read: http://www.avlerchess.com/chess-analysis/A_BRAND_NEW_Chessbase_9_for_sale_on_eBay_92649.html
2.0 Mr Repa here is a comment about the Dutch defense: "Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development" My point exactly about 1 f4
3.0 Mr Repa's chess federation of canada rating is listed as 2010 with an active rating of 1737. If he reaches am expected rating here of, by his account, 2370+ then everyone will be impressed particularly as Mr Repa says "I think I'm a bit out gunned here.I'm running BATTLE CHESS on a Commodore 64. I believe its running at 1.023 MHz."
4.0 It might be battle chess that accounted for the following cc (!) game as black he played against Torsten Opas 1.e4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 Nf6 4.exd5 exd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bb5 Be7 7.Ne5 Bd7 8.O-O O-O 9.Bg5 h6 10.Bh4 a6 11.Bxc6 Bxc6 12.Re1 Re8 13.Qf3 Qd6 14.Re3 Qb4 15.Rae1 Bd8 16.Qf5 Qxd4 (oops)17.Bxf6 Bxf6 and the game is already lost
5.0 Together with his loss with 1f4 that he forgot about here is another example of the correct treatment of f4 by black against Mr Repa 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.b3 Bg7 5.Bb2 O-O 6.Be2 b6 7.O-O Bb7 8.d3 c5 9.Ne5 Nfd7 10.d4 e6 11.Nd2 Nc6 12.Nxc6 Bxc6 completely dead for white no prospects and duly drawn. Like I said 1 f4 is a waste at cc. I doubt we shall see Mr Repa use it again against a good opponent on this site.
6.0 All the games I referred to were white victories OTB with 1. f4 "Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta." Alexseev lost and the criticisms of IM Sengupta's moves by Mr Repa are quite funny - thats the whole point. At cc Sengupta's play would not be impressive but otb it was effective. Incidentally the game was played in 2004 in India
8.0 1 g4 is like 1 b4? Well that is clearly wrong. There have been no GM - GM encounters with 1 g4 there have been several with 1 b4 including Topalov v Malakhatsov. Over 50 IM's and a dozen GM's have played 1 b4 very few have ever played g4. 1 f4 has been championed by GM Jakubiec who is the only GM who has played it regularly.
9.0 "What is weird is that the conversation began with quite civil exchanges before tiny criticisms quickly escalated to nuclear mode despite my genuine and exhaustive efforts at diffusion and removal of misinterpretation" Can anyone guess who is being written about here on another chess site?
Jason Repa (2008-05-07 06:46:43)
Bird Brain loses in 33 moves!
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the behavior of this lowlife. After all, I beat him in chess and beat him in debate. I also caught him RED-HANDED telling lies and exposed him for what he is. What else is a sniveling coward to do but dig up old flame wars on the internet from four years ago, that have not an iota of relevance to any of the topics being discussed here. I bet his parents are real proud of him, LOL!
"Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development" My point exactly about 1 f4"
Another typical tactic from a chronic liar....to change the very premise of what was being argued. I'll refresh your memory since you don't have the mental capability of remembering your own words. The statement you made was: "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white". That is what I contested. I never disputed that there is some weakening of the kingside involved here. But some weakening of the kingside doesn't mean it's a poor opening choice. You're trying to win an argument with lies and misrepresentation. Try being honest and sticking to the facts for once in your life.
My otb tournament rating is currently 2010, but my active rating is not anywhere near what you're suggesting. I'm actually much stronger in both 30 minute active and blitz chess. I won more blitz tournaments in 2007 AND 2008 than anyone else in my region, ahead of 2 FM's. And my performance in active events is in the mid 2100's based on all the otb active events I've played in over the last 5 years.
In the region I play in we don't have many active events. So I've only played in 2 that were rated, and that was over a decade ago. The provisional ratings used were far below what everyone was worth (not just me). We had a strong FM who was competing at 1800 and change, while both his FIDE and national rating were in the neighborhood of 2300. Stranger things have happened in small clubs.
Did anyone notice how the coward won't discuss what HIS national otb rating is? We don't hear a word from him about that. Very telling indeed!
Then the little weasel reposts a game that he already posted in this thread earlier. Could it be that the poor loser whom I CRUSHED in chess, has run out of ammunition with which to compensate for the fact that he lost to me? I've lost 6 games, drew 59 and won 117 on FICGS, including the beating I gave to you. I beat you EASILY and I'm HIGHER RATED than you. Keep crying about that. Its entertaining.
Again, crybaby, if 1.f4 is a waste at cc, why did I gain rating points here playing 1.f4. And why did I beat you so easily at chess? I think I proved on the chess board, that you don't know what you're talking about. All you have is lies, slander, and random usenet group flame wars from 4 years ago. I have FACTS:
I BEAT YOU IN CHESS AND I'M HIGHER RATED THAN YOU ARE.
""Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta." Alexseev lost and the criticisms of IM Sengupta's moves by Mr Repa are quite funny "
You're copying and pasting the same nonsense you posted earlier. Did you even read the words you typed? You're saying "look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as Black", as if he's the one who lost. Then You switch it around and suggest that Evgeny Alexseev was White and say that he played 9.g4. Are you pretending to be this stupid or is this really how you are? As I said earlier, you're probably making the whole game up, or at least changing moves around, etc, because it doesn't appear anywhere that I could find, and you're still not bright enough to figure out how to post the whole game as you were asked to do earlier. It's a pretty sad state of affairs of that's the ONLY game you can think of to try to smear a legitimate and recognized opening such as Bird's Opening. Whoever played White played very poorly. I spelled out for you the moves that White played that were very poor. Did I use any words too complex for you to understand?
" 1 f4 has been championed by GM Jakubiec who is the only GM who has played it regularly"
This is also pure nonsense. There are MANY strong GM's (and super GM's)who haved played 1.f4 in serious games. GM Henrik Danielsen used it as a MAIN MOVE for many years also.
Keep posting lies, slander, and irrelevant 4 year old flame wars from the internet little man. I defeated you in chess and in debate. I proved that what you said is pure nonsense. All you have is hot air!
Jason Repa (2008-05-07 06:52:38)
Don't be a poor loser Stephenson!
The conversation was civil, until you flipped your lid when I reminded you about the beating I gave you over the chess board. You also couldn't handle being proven wrong about what you said about the Bird's Opening.
Can anyone guess why this coward won't post HIS national rating???
Go ahead, repost my loss to Torsten Opus a few more times. Until everyone reading this thread knows what kind of a waste of skin you are. See if posting that game over and over again gets them to forget about the fact that I CRUSHED you in chess and am much higher rated than you are.
Jason Repa (2008-05-07 06:57:07)
Bird Brain loses in 33 moves!
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the behavior of this lowlife. After all, I beat him in chess and beat him in debate. I also caught him RED-HANDED telling lies and exposed him for what he is. What else is a sniveling coward to do but dig up old flame wars on the internet from four years ago, that have not an iota of relevance to any of the topics being discussed here. I bet his parents are real proud of him, LOL!
"Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development" My point exactly about 1 f4"
Another typical tactic from a chronic liar....to change the very premise of what was being argued. I'll refresh your memory since you don't have the mental capability of remembering your own words. The statement you made was: "1 f4 at cc seems a waste of white". That is what I contested. I never disputed that there is some weakening of the kingside involved here. But some weakening of the kingside doesn't mean it's a poor opening choice. You're trying to win an argument with lies and misrepresentation. Try being honest and sticking to the facts for once in your life.
My otb tournament rating is currently 2010, but my active rating is not anywhere near what you're suggesting. I'm actually much stronger in both 30 minute active and blitz chess. I won more blitz tournaments in 2007 AND 2008 than anyone else in my region, ahead of 2 FM's. And my performance in active events is in the mid 2100's based on all the otb active events I've played in over the last 5 years.
In the region I play in we don't have many active events. So I've only played in 2 that were rated, and that was over a decade ago. The provisional ratings used were far below what everyone was worth (not just me). We had a strong FM who was competing at 1800 and change, while both his FIDE and national rating were in the neighborhood of 2300. Stranger things have happened in small clubs.
Did anyone notice how the coward won't discuss what HIS national otb rating is? We don't hear a word from him about that. Very telling indeed!
Then the little weasel reposts a game that he already posted in this thread earlier. Could it be that the poor loser whom I CRUSHED in chess, has run out of ammunition with which to compensate for the fact that he lost to me? I've lost 6 games, drew 59 and won 117 on FICGS, including the beating I gave to you. I beat you EASILY and I'm HIGHER RATED than you. Keep crying about that. Its entertaining.
Again, crybaby, if 1.f4 is a waste at cc, why did I gain rating points here playing 1.f4. And why did I beat you so easily at chess? I think I proved on the chess board, that you don't know what you're talking about. All you have is lies, slander, and random usenet group flame wars from 4 years ago. I have FACTS:
I BEAT YOU IN CHESS AND I'M HIGHER RATED THAN YOU ARE.
""Look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as black - a very strong 2600+ GM at the time - he continued 6 ..b6 7 h3 c5 8 Qe1 Bb7 9 g4 and lost to IM Sengupta." Alexseev lost and the criticisms of IM Sengupta's moves by Mr Repa are quite funny "
You're copying and pasting the same nonsense you posted earlier. Did you even read the words you typed? You're saying "look what happened to Evgeny Alexseev as Black", as if he's the one who lost. Then You switch it around and suggest that Evgeny Alexseev was White and say that he played 9.g4. Are you pretending to be this stupid or is this really how you are? As I said earlier, you're probably making the whole game up, or at least changing moves around, etc, because it doesn't appear anywhere that I could find, and you're still not bright enough to figure out how to post the whole game as you were asked to do earlier. It's a pretty sad state of affairs of that's the ONLY game you can think of to try to smear a legitimate and recognized opening such as Bird's Opening. Whoever played White played very poorly. I spelled out for you the moves that White played that were very poor. Did I use any words too complex for you to understand?
" 1 f4 has been championed by GM Jakubiec who is the only GM who has played it regularly"
This is also pure nonsense. There are MANY strong GM's (and super GM's)who haved played 1.f4 in serious games. GM Henrik Danielsen used it as a MAIN MOVE for many years also.
Keep posting lies, slander, and irrelevant 4 year old flame wars from the internet little man. I defeated you in chess and in debate. I proved that what you said is pure nonsense. All you have is hot air!
Jason Repa (2008-05-07 12:45:03)
Pablo BACKS DOWN!
Your OTB rating is NOT stronger than mine, liar. If it were you'd step up to the plate and play me, instead of backing down as you're doing. You're probably a 1500-1700 elo OTB player. Considering your rather beginnerish question about the Lasker From, I might be giving you too much credit at that. You know as well as I do that you'd be lucky to get a single draw in ten games against me. I'd probably just win all ten.
Do you always run around challenging people to a chess match on the internet, then retreat like a frightened animal, with your tail between your legs, when they accept your challenge? How pathetic is that? I was looking forward to playing some human mind vs human mind chess with you, but the idea of actually having to THINK and use your own mind to come up with the moves was too much for you to deal with, so you BACKED DOWN like a little girl!
Jason Repa (2008-05-07 13:10:18)
Declining the From
"From's Gambit ...
Hi, is there a valid way to decline the From's Gambit without falling onto the Kings Gambit?"
That's the usual way. Although I can't see why anyone would want to decline the gambit. All variations indeed seem to be quite good for White.
"Even if the Froms Gambit may not be sound, I do not like to be defending, especially against players stronger than myself."
In that case you might want to switch to 1.Nf3 or 1.b3 with the idea of transposing into the Bird's Opening later. This is what I often do in OTB play. Of course Black doesn't necessarily have to allow you to transpose, though.
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Jason Repa (2008-05-07 13:43:09)
Lasker Variation of the From's Gambit
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My correspondence chess game with Marc-Eric Plante finally wrapped up after over a year. It was an interesting game, IMO, and I thought that Marc had made some improvements over what had been played before by Black, such as 10...Qe7!? (instead of the usual 10...Bf5). However, it's been my thought that the Lasker Variation of the From's gambit might, at the end of the day, be lost for Black with perfect play. I'm not sure of Black could have done anything different in this game.
http://chessmusings.blogspot.com/2008/05/from-night.html
Jason Repa (2008-05-09 06:13:49)
Chess Titans
I didn't even know about that. I just tried it at level 8 (advanced) lol. I won fairly easily, although it played the first 5 moves like a GM. I hate that annoying ICC whistle sound when the computer moves. The should have went for Chessbase sounds IMO.
There is a game I noticed in the Vista gallery that is definitely worth checking out called DEFCON. It's a game of nuclear war inspired by the movie WarGames.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-07 19:34:00)
Reminder : Forum rules
Hello all. The previous thread about From's Gambit has been closed.
As a reminder of the site regulations :
11. 1. Netiquette
(...) No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden (...). In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.
Provocation is just ridiculous when alone...
Jason Repa (2008-05-08 03:13:22)
Pavasovic vs Baklan
This game was played a couple weeks ago in the 2008 European Individual Championship in Plovdiv.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1491774
It's hard to believe a GM would play this in a real game. It's an old cheapo line of the Tarrasch French where White gives up two pieces, then dangles a third, for an attack. Black's defense is simple and intuitive. He gives back one piece to diffuse the attack and wins a relatively simply endgame. I first came across this when someone tried it against me in a bullet game on playchess.com. Even at bullet time controls I was able to come up with 13...Ndxe5 (not too difficult to find) and consolidate the material advantage.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-08 20:29:35)
Rating calculation & categories
Hello to all, I think it is a good time to gather feedbacks about chess (& Go) rating calculation and tournament categories. A player reported to me it was very difficult for a 2200-2400 player to reach the 2400 mark. Now we have a 2300+ rapid category, it may help but it is not very popular yet...
All feedbacks welcome :)
Best wishes, Thibault
Don Groves (2008-05-09 07:02:53)
Go categories
Hi, Thibault -- I think the Go categories need to be looked at. We don't have enough players in the 5 Kyu to 10 Kyu range to fill the Kyu II groups, making it difficult to continue to improve after reaching 10 Kyu. Maybe combining Kyu II and Kyu III would help? One can only continue to improve by playing against stronger players.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-05-10 15:28:38)
Silly quotes ...
I found this one in a Simpson coffee mug:
Trying is the first step towards failure.
Omer Sympson
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-10 19:56:31)
quote
A good slow man you can work with a dishonest brilliant one will kill you every time - Warren Buffet
Don Groves (2008-05-12 03:26:14)
Rating changes
I disagree. The rule has always been that TER (tournament entry rating) is what counts. I vote to keep it that way. Sometimes tournaments can wait weeks before starting and I don't think anyone should be penalized for losing a game while waiting.
Jason Repa (2008-05-12 10:14:41)
Rating changes
1) There was never a "rule" stating that a player has carte blanche to drop as many rating points as they want and still enter a tournament for which they do not meet the rating criterion.
2) Thibault has already manually removed players from rating lists for this reason. Nobody is being "penalized" except the players who are legitimately qualified to play in that category and who must play with the lower category player. The rating average is being erroneously brought down. The player who's rating was lowered is free to enter the correct waiting list for which his rating qualifies.
3) Your "C" class rating category is hardly comparable to the "M" class category where this has been an issue, so your opinion, even if it did have a shred of merit, which I proved it doesn't, is moot anyway.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-12 11:40:20)
Rating changes
I agree with Don Groves - there is no need to make the change suggested IMO
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-12 14:40:08)
Rating changes
"11. 1. Netiquette
(...) No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden (...). In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private."
Don the more I think about it the more I think your view is correct there is no need to make the drastic change that was proposed. I have a current rating of 2225 and future rating of 2247 but have no problem with a person whose rating falls after they enter a 2200 tournament I am in. However it would be good to get other players views as this proposed change would affect players of all levels.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-12 20:43:04)
Rating changes, TER
About TER, it is fair IMO that a player who entered a waiting list with ie. a 2200+ rating can play the 2200+ tournament even if his rating decreases before it starts. There will be no change (it would have too many other bad consequences anyway).
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-12 22:43:14)
Rating changes
I think thats the right the decision Thibault to leave the TER rule as it stands.
As for the issue of provocation there is no place for insults or abuse towards anybody.
Everyone should feel free to express an opinion about a subject without facing ridicule or abuse. Debate can be robust but it should be courteous.
As for responding - I am happy to act in the face of insults etc as if nothing has been said and leave it up to Thibault to take action.
At the same time I feel completely free to agree/disagree with any view thats posted and will continue to do so. If thats not possible then its not a forum anymore
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 07:12:22)
Netiquette
Looking back over discussions on this I see its tough to make progress:
"The one who responds, particularly with insults (even ie. "hypocrite", or "thief"), has a greater responsability IMO. This remains a judgement and this has nothing to do in this forum. Better is to warn a moderator"
"Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules : No reason & no evidence will allow anyone to insult anyone in this forum anymore."
I agreed with these comments of Thibault before and I agree with them now.
Jason Repa (2008-05-13 08:25:55)
When will this troll stop?
This is hilarious! You've got a guy (and I use the term loosely) who goes WAY out of his way to insult, harass, and annoy, now trying to pass himself off as holier-than-thou. He's even following me around from thread to thread with the sole purpose of abuse and provocation. If I say the sky is blue, he'll say green. If I say 2+2=4, he'll say there is no proof of that. This character will not stop trying to provoke, as this thread proves.
I start an innocent thread describing an interesting game I played with someone. He immediately starts criticizing my choice of chess openings, made all the more laughable because I CRUSHED the guy in chess, and am significantly higher rated than he is. Perhaps this is what is fueling his little tirade. He then proceeds to post links to off-topic discussions that occurred 4-5 years ago as further harassment. And this is the same individual who is whining about, of all things, Netiquette? Irony to the EXTREME!
His latest tactic is to incessantly suck up to the site admin by making repeated hybrid posts which are intended to harass me while worshiping the admin. We'll see his signature phrase "I agree with Thibault" over and over again ad-nausiam. As if this somehow buys him respite for the provocative and abusive comments he CONTINUES to make towards me.
Although you're probably used to being in that position, please get off your knees and stop brown nosing Stephenson. It's pathetic. And before you start talking about Netiquette, please learn what the term means yourself. We wouldn't be having this discussion if you did.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-13 09:08:53)
Provocation
Hi Jason,
If you think anyone here provokes you by posting he disagrees with you (no matter the past, everyone here can express an opinion), feel free to ignore him or just do the same... That's not a problem for us as long as it is 'transparent'.
Provocation is just ridiculous when alone.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 11:30:35)
French traps
The French defence is one of the best replies to 1 e4 - accidents however are always possible as the following correspondence game shows with black playing into a lost position after just 13 moves:
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Qb6 9.Qd2 Qxb2 10.Rb1 Qa3 11.Bb5 Nxd4 12.Bxd4 Bb4 13.O-O O-O ?? (black had to play 13 ..a6 although he will still be under pressure) 14 Rb3 Qa5 15.Qe3 Nb6 16.Qg3 Nc4 17 f5! and the correspondence game finished Rd8 18.Rf4 Bf8 19.Rg4 Kh8 20.f6 g6 21.Rh4 h6 22.Kh1 Kg8 23.Qh3 Kh7 24.Bc5 Rd6 25.g4 Qd8 26.g5 h5 27.Rxh5+
These things happen OTB but French defence players have known of this since Rechlis (2525) - Zueger (2448) 2001 which went 19 f6 g6 20 Rh4 a6 21 Qh3 h5 22 Rxh5!! gxh5 23 Qxh5 axb5 24 Kf2 and white won. since then 13 0-0 has been avoided.
Of course at cc a player has time to research the databases and access to powerful chess engines at no cost.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 12:00:22)
Quote
I am sorry I thought it was clear the comments in my post Netiquette were not my comments at all - they were quotations cut and pasted from Thibault himself - they are his words not mine, they came from a previous thread on Netiquette.
Specifically the comment:
"Jason, insults are insults, rules are rules : No reason & no evidence will allow anyone to insult anyone in this forum anymore."
This is Thibault directly addressing someone it not a comment from me. That is why I prefaced my posting with the words
"Looking back over discussions on this I see its tough to make progress"
I was looking back over previous discussions and it seemed to me that we were covering the same ground and progress was difficult
I thought in the present discussion these words were relevant and it was fair to quote them. IMO these comments are as valid now as they were when Thibault made them.
Thats is why in the posting I said:
"I agreed with these comments of Thibault before and I agree with them now."
My view is simple - using insulting words is not permitted under any circumstances and if I have a problem with any words used I will contact Thibault privately and I will not complain in the forum.
So I will continue to post to argue my point of view in a courteous manner
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 12:07:15)
Trusting engines
I should add that if you play through the game with an engine it will show black doing ok and even better some time after the position is lost. So its a good example of not just playing the move the engine suggests but actually analysing the position.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 13:22:56)
Provocation
I am sorry I cannot respond to a lot of what you have posted as such a response would breach the rules.
I have not examined all your losses - just the French games - so I do not know how instructive they are I will try to review them later but I can't promise anything.
However I am a great believer in checking lines I play with the database to see whats been learnt and how the top GM's handle the particular lines.
All I learnt from my loss was not to play that particular line and to cut out all dodgy openings. In fact the line you played is not the strongest and I believe black can equalise - unfortunately I found an even stronger line for white which seems to refute the entire variation. There is however a book by an english GM from 2007 which looks at sicilian side lines and claims that there is no refutation.
When I have time I will stick all the analysis up and people can make up their own minds.
On correspondence taking someone's OTB chess to the next level I am a bit sceptical. It definitely has a significant effect on the accuracy of opening play and this can get some valuable wins by itself. But other progress needs separate study and training. Silmans Reassess your chess for example will increase the rating of any one below FIDE 2300 if studied intensively IMO.
Jason Repa (2008-05-13 13:37:50)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0
It's interesting how you feel qualified to post my games for analysis, when I ALREADY BEAT YOU in chess, lol. In fact I have a perfect score against you Stephenson. I'm also higher rated than you are to boot. So what you "claim to be a great believer in" is hardly of interest to anyone.
What IS of interest is the fact that you still refuse to answer the question of what YOUR otb rating is, after being asked three times. One can only conclude that you are embarrassed about how low it is. Under 1500?
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 14:12:54)
Advice
The recommendation was freely given if it does not interest you thats fine. My point remains cc helps opening accuracy im not sure it translates into much else OTB
Jason Repa (2008-05-13 14:17:46)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0
I really couldn't care less what an internet troll with a <1500 otb chess rating, whom I've already crushed in correspondence chess, thinks about anything. Send emails to GM Dreev and GM Marjanovic, who have also played 13...0-0 and see if they feel differently.
Re-read my post a few times until you're able to understand what I said. Everything I stated is correct. I'm not going to hold your hand and spoon-feed everything to you.
As I said before Stephenson, it's sad that you don't have any of your own games worthy of publication, and that you need to vicariously live through me and post my chess games. I've never met anyone this obsessed with me. I don't think it's very healthy for you. In more ways than one.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 14:19:23)
Pachman
Yes its true there is a lot of great stuff in these old books Rudolfo but I like to check 'em I have got some Nunn stuff from the same time - incredibly accurate he may have been the best writer of opening books of modern times. Although I am basing that on his Najdorf books not other stuff on the Pirc etc which I dont know so well.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 14:33:15)
Opening books
I think the truth is that a lot of opening books are not always objective and someimes do not give the best lines or give assessments that are not always accurate. Active GM's someimes keep things back for there own use .. which is understandable I suppose. John watson seems to be an exception to this and produces very high quality opening work. The bottom line is you have to check them all IMO.
Incidentally I am not sure there is much need to keep databases up to date - I suppose that refers to downloading games from TWIC. Most databases are up dated automatically.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 14:50:21)
ELO ratings
I believe ELO ratings are used for FIDE ratings I did not know you had a FIDE rating. I must say that ELO 2000 is an average to good club player and over 2200 in my experience is a good OTB rating. But looking at some of your OTB games between 1900 - 2000 seems to be the level of chess that I can see. Its ok - but the reality is that players do not improve very much after a certain age ......
Anyway at cc people tend to have it both ways if they win its because they are better players if they lose or draw its not real chess its just computers and it does not mean anything.
I am sure we will play again at cc and then you can demonstrate your skill. If I win I will not place a great emphasis on it. It not difficult to draw a cc game if you have the resources to hand.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 15:47:39)
Mr cfc
Frankly I have alway taken someone saying they have an ELO rating to refer to having a FIDE rating and not a national rating
I understand that you need to deduct about 35 points from sub 2200 ratings to get a FIDE equivalent. Well I have never met anyone before who thought that FIDE 2000 was such a high rating I dont mean that in a bad way I am just surprised that you think this is high.
As for beating me at chess I thought this was not real chess? Well like I said there is a sense in having it both ways. Look we could easily organise a money match at cc say for Euro 1000 6, 8, 10 games whatever you want, rapid time limit you can have white in every game and I can give you 3 to 1 odds. You win 1 game you get Euro 3000 you fail to win a game I get Euro 1000. All you have to do is win a game you can even lose all the other games.
Well like I said it does not prove anything - its a research competition. I dont want to hustle you but you have been making a lot of statements so if you are interested .......
But please dont challenge me to bullet games on playchess......
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-13 16:00:22)
ELO
Well like I stated elsewhere talking of ELO points I take to refer to FIDE rating not national ratings irrespective of the underlying methodology used to calculate the national rating. I guess we will have to agree to differ on that one. Sorry I cannot respond to the grammer stuff - its against the rules.
On the game we played check out the available database games and that may give you an answer. Like I said in another post the line I believe is the refutation is not what you played - I will put up the analysis when I have more time.
At the risk of repeating myself I still dont understand why you cannot find a 2001 game or what sort of databases you are looking at but I guess we have reached a dead end there too.
Jason Repa (2008-05-13 21:36:18)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0
What a <1500 player like yourself "has always taken" is meaningless. What is objectively true and factual is what counts. As has been explained to you repeatedly, elo is not exclusive to FIDE ratings, not even to chess in fact. Are you beginning to understand or still confused?
Also, there is no simple (deduct x) formula to get a FIDE equivalent. Sometimes a national rating is worth more than a FIDE rating. There are various factors to consider.
There is no "magic" about a FIDE rating. You just need to play in FIDE rated events. I've beaten many FIDE rated players otb, including FMs. It's really no big deal.
I never said 2000 was some sort of "high rating", so don't start with the lies again Stephenson. But compared to a guy like you who is rated under 1500, I'm like a more evolved being. Is that why you're so frustrated to the point of stalking me as you're doing? Is it a combination of that and the fact that I CRUSHED you in chess? When are you going to get over that? When are you going to stop whining and crying?
Why don't we play fact to face otb chess, if you have lots of Euro to throw around as you're claiming. Fly to Canada and I'll play you a match for 5000 euro. First to win 6 games or something like that. I'd probably have to spot you 5/6 just to make the match somewhat competitive.
I never challenged you to bullet chess, my <1500 rated acquaintance, but that would be the only other way to play human mind vs human mind chess. I'm certainly not about to fly to the third world country you live in, just to beat some "C" class chess player in person.
Let's take a little tally here. I've already beaten you at correspondence chess, and you've made it clear you want no part of playing chess at time controls that doesn't allow you to consult your program, so I've effectively won that as well. What is left? Arm wrestling? I kinda like my chances there too!
Hannes Rada (2008-05-13 23:53:25)
childish and offtopic
After posting No. 4 this thread becomes a childish and offtopic guerilla battle ....
< It doesn't seem fair that a 2100
< player should be playing in a
< tournament intended for 2200-2600
< players
Are you afraid of losing so important FICGS - Elos when you have to play against lower rated opponents ??
If you want to play correspondence chess at top level than you have to sign up at ICCF.
Jason Repa (2008-05-14 00:35:54)
Re: Hannes query
I'm not "afraid" of playing anyone, and the FICGS rating points are only a means with which to play the stronger players. As I stated earlier, and in other threads, my primary interest in correspondence chess is to do research for my otb chess. Having said that I'm interested in playing the strongest players possible.
It's simple common sense that if a rating category says 2200-2600, then it should have players who are rated 2200-2600. Lower rated players are free to sign up for the category that they qualify for.
Do you play otb chess Hannes? You don't seem to have any otb rating as far as I can tell.
Hannes Rada (2008-05-14 20:10:41)
Jason's query
Jason, I gave up OTB chess some 20 years ago. So I have no OTB rating (anymore)
Playing in my chessclub was not and ist not compatible with my working hours.
CC is perfect for me. Analyzing and making move later in the evening when I am returning from work, or whenever I can find time.
It's wise to play the strongest possible opponents.
But cc rating does not implicitly say anything about chess strength.
Too many variables may influence the players chess abilities.
(Too many games at the same time, lack of motivation, ....)
On the other side an ambitious 1800 Elo newcomer can sometimes more dangerous than an "old" CC-GM.
FICGS is quite a nice community.
Here you have the chance to raise your rating and play against the higher rated players pretty soon compared with ICCF.
But your "strong opponent experience" will end here around 2500 - 2550.
Raising your rating in ICCF takes much more time (because tournaments are slower) but when you've established yourselve at a certain level than you have the chance to play the > 2700 guys like van Osteroom & Co :-)
But at this level correspondence chess is no fun anymore. I've talked to GM Peter Hertel from Germany several years ago and he told me that he had to analyze and work on his cc - chess positions around 10 hours per day to compete at this level ....
if you are retired or jobless and a billionaire (van Osteroom) than you have the best chances of winning an ICCF championship final .... :-)
Do you think the playing cc helps to improve your otb abilities ?
I've talked to several players regarding this issue and I received different answers.
From: Yes I benefit from my cc-opening experience
To: No, these are absolutely different stories.
OTB requires the abilites to calculate deeplines correctly and to maintain concentration for a couple of hours.
All things which are absolutely not necessary for cc.
My experience for the short time frame when I played both otb + cc is that for the purpose of improving the otb abilities it would have been better to study chess books and solving tactical exercises than playing cc.
Jason Repa (2008-05-14 21:31:38)
corr. & otb
"But cc rating does not implicitly say anything about chess strength."
I disagree. But first be clear that I'm talking about correspondence chess strength. I never said that corr. chess strength has a 1 to 1 relationship with otb chess strength. I know too many guys who are better corr. players than me that I could mop the floor with at any time control in a live chess game.
But having said that, I believe that people have high corr. ratings for a reason. At a minimum they're good at employing interactive chess engine research and have good updated databases. I think overall chess knowledge and judgment are factors as well. Stronger chess moves win more games. Yes, I understand that sometimes an ambitious 1800 can beat a higher rated opponent, on occasion, but it's overall results that are important, not anomalies. The same is true otb. Sometimes experts and national masters beat GMs. That doesn't mean they're a stronger chess player than the GM.
"Do you think the playing cc helps to improve your otb abilities?"
I'm not surprised you're getting differing stories. Like anything else, it depends on how you use the experience and of course on your individual aptitude. Some people will just memorize the opening theory they learn from corr. chess, if that. Others will do much more with those games, such as developing technique, increasing their strategic knowledge, learn more endgame theory, etc. I think it is without question that corr. chess can have great benefits for your otb chess game, if used properly. Just being forced to comb through opening books and game databases alone is useful.
"OTB requires the abilities to calculate deeplines correctly and to maintain concentration for a couple of hours"
I agree that the ability to concentrate well is important for otb chess, but I think you're overvaluing calculation. The reality is that otb is all about COMPETITION. It's a mental fight. I know guys are are great analysts, and with the right hardware/software would probably be great corr. players, but they don't handle the pressures and stresses that go along with competition very well. Judgment and competence, especially while under stress and duress, are of the utmost importance in otb. You can calculate as deeply as you want, but if you're expending energy calculating lines that you should have rejected, or mismanaging your time by thinking too deeply in a spot where it's not necessary, you won't get good results in otb.
I don't have any desire to try to get anywhere near 2700 level in corr. chess. And I agree with your analysis that it would not be fun anymore and become a huge drain of time sitting behind the computer. Perhaps not unlike what a professional chess player has to go through in order to prepare for their tournaments, with the chief exception that the professional chess player gets paid for such a sacrifice.
"...for the purpose of improving the otb abilities it would have been better to study chess books and solving tactical exercises than playing cc."
I don't see why these things have to be mutually exclusive. For me I get more motivated to study my chess books and look through my databases when the positions occur in games. I also think about what I'm doing and analyze the positions using my own mind when I play corr. chess. Maybe that's not the case for everyone, but it is for me. As for tactics, I think blitz/bullet against strong opponents can be very useful for developing that.
Hannes Rada (2008-05-14 22:04:53)
Opening Favorites and taboos in cc chess
It's quite interesting to look at the top level cc - player's opening favorites.
Against 1.e4:
Almost everybody is playing Sicilian, Sveshnikov and Najdorf
No more Dragon oder other Sicilian lines seems to be playable at top level.
1.... e6 (French) and 1....c6 Caro Kann are rarely played.
A little bit more frequently is 1....e5. But I think that also the old Ruy Lopez is not really popular among the cc cracks.
Against 1.d4:
Here seems to be more diversity:
But I think The Slav is definitely the most popular Black's defense, followed by Nimzo Indian, Kings Indian and Queens Gambit.
Benoni and Wolga Gambit seems to be dead here.
What do you think, is there no more space for French, Caro Kann and Aljechin Defense in todays cc practice ?
Is Dutch and Modern Benoni no longer playable ?
In the sixties Hans Berliner won the ICCF championship with Aljechin Defense
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-15 04:10:11)
Openings
Hi Hannes
I think the Modern Benoni is playable but needs a lot of work. Hector Walsh 16th on the IECG list (2497) used it in the IECG Cup 2002 final (just ended!) with games that started in 2006. He played it 3 times including the critical line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 c5 4 d5 exd5 5 cxd5 d6 6 e4 g6 7 f4 etc and got 3 draws against opposition of 2150, 2300 and 2400.
Garvin Gray (2008-05-15 05:56:12)
Modern Benoni Taimonov variation
Hello Andrew,
So Hector allowed white to play the Taimonov variation in all three of those games, is that correct?
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-15 10:11:02)
Benoni
Hi Garvin
No f4 occurred in just 1 game but Hector played the sequence Nf6 and e6. This year Topalov, Aronian Malakhov and Gashimov have all allowed f4 in the Benoni but it only happened in the Gashimov game. Top GM games seem to have a bias towards Sicilians Slavs and Semi slavs. Is it true that the Ruy Lopez is not so popular at top cc? It is extremely popular at GM level perhaps this reflects a bias at cc at the top level for Queenside openings. It certainly seems a lot easier to get a draw against e4 at cc.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-05-15 19:45:42)
Rating calculation
Hello all. I have been reading the discussions here and did not intend to add my t hought. But I guess I am anyhow.
Chess is about having fun, making new friends, competing with your peers, last but not least improving your skill.
I am playing in several M tournaments, a couple have players whose ratings have dropped below 2200. This not a problem for me. I think they should be allowed to play. With respect
Wayne
Hannes Rada (2008-05-15 23:06:25)
Openings
Hi Andrew,
" It certainly seems a lot easier to get a draw against e4 at cc."
I've the same feeling.
But the top player vanOsteroom prefers definitely 1.e4 !
Does anybody know if 1.e4 or 1.d4 is played more often here at FICGS ?
"He played it 3 times including the critical line 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 c5 4 d5 exd5 5 cxd5 d6 6 e4 g6 7 f4 etc and got 3 draws against opposition of 2150, 2300 and 2400."
Can this be considered as a success ?
50 % against lower rated opponents ?
Normally Benoni is played when you want or have to win with black ...
However Hector Walsh seems to have some fighting spirit.
Andrew do you know the IECG server ?
From time to time I get invitations from the IECG guys for their tournamengs, but never played there.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-15 23:14:37)
Books and databases
This thread is really about how reliance on books and lack of research can get someone into trouble ie a lost position after 13 moves in a main line opening - even with plenty of time and powerful chess engines available. Actually its not even necessary to own an up to date database to avoid this - the resources are freely available to anyone with an internet connection.
The point about ELO is dead I think referring to ELO points is associated with FIDE ratings irrespective of the fact that most national rating systems use ELO's methodology. Mr Repa does not agree - thats it.
"but when I'm dealing with who says down load and data base ..."
I don't read anything into the omission of the word "someone" here nor the numerous spelling mistakes that have cropped up.
Incidentally the book I referred to with analysis of the dodgy siscilain variation is called Experts V the Sicilian with different chapters by various GM's and IM's including a chapter on the pin variation about which one reviewer says:
"we get no less than 12 pages on the “silly” Pin Variation, and in the end Aagaard seems unable to prove a certain advantage!" Whatever the truth about that variation its highly risky and not recommended for cc!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-16 00:15:26)
Openings
Here are the current openings statistics (see /about.html) .. sorry, it is not Chessbase but I'll try to improve it with ie. a formula with ratings to see better what is played most at top level.
Chess openings :
Opening_name #games Line
Scandinavian 310 1.e4 d5
Modern 127 1.e4 g6
Pirc 260 1.e4 d6
Alekhine 208 1.e4 Nf6
French 674 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5
Caro-Kann 487 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5
Grand prix attack 91 1.e4 c5 2.f4
Morra gambit 173 1.e4 c5 2.d4
Alapin 196 1.e4 c5 2.c3
Closed sicilian 228 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3
Sicilian ...d6 1323 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6
Sicilian ...e6 243 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6
Sicilian ...Nc6 759 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6
Petroff 355 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6
Spanish 1038 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5
Italian 354 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4
Ponziani 18 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3
Scotch 224 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4
King's gambit 207 1.e4 e5 2.f4
Vienna game 89 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3
Other e4 ... 1524 1.e4 ...
Dutch 181 1.d4 f5
Slav 353 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6
Queen's gambit acc. 181 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4
Queen's gambit dec. 353 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6
Albins counter gambit 18 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5
King's indian 203 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7
Grünfeld 104 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5
Catalan 36 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3
Nimzo-indian 302 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4
Benoni defense 136 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5
Budapest gambit 22 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5
King's knight opening 601 1.d4 Nf6 (... d5) 2.Nf3
Other d4 ... 1442 1.d4 ...
Reti opening 691 1.Nf3
Sleipner 136 1.Nc3
English 858 1.c4
Bird 177 1.f4
King's indian attack 84 1.g3
Orang Utan 143 1.b4
Grob's attack 12 1.g4
French attack 21 1.e3
Mieses opening 10 1.d3
Anderssen 21 1.a3
Jason Repa (2008-05-16 00:23:32)
Repa vs Stephenson 1-0
Geez Stephenson, I thought you were done stalking and harassing me and had found something else to amuse your little mind with. Something shiny and metallic perhaps? But here you are continuing your trollish ways.
Actually, what this thread is REALLY about, is a pathetic little character who doesn't handle losing at chess very well. As was stated before, it's pretty sad that you don't have any chess games of your own worthy of publication or discussion, so you post one of mine and continue to rant, and rant, and rant about nonsense. I already BEAT YOU in chess. Quite easily, in fact. Could there be anything more ridiculous than a guy who loses at chess criticizing the play of the victor?
Normally when someone obsesses over me like this it's a female doing the obsessing. But hey, each to their own.
And yeah, it's pretty obvious you're someone with a lot of time on your hands. Nice of you to share that with us. But you only speak for yourself in that regard. Even with all your free time I was still able to beat you easily when we played chess.
Just look at this latest drivel you're posting. You go on and on and on about why I shouldn't have lost a chess game I played a year ago like this is some life and death event for you. It's really not a big deal to me. So why is MY game such a big deal to you? If you're trying to make an argument that I'm such a terrible correspondence chess player based on this game, why did I beat you so easily when you and I played? I'm also higher rated than you as well. If you're going to harass me with one of my losing games, at least have enough intelligence and imagination to vary the game once in awhile. You have 5 more to choose from.
Sorry but I've never met anyone clued out enough to put DOWN LOAD and DATA BASE before. This isn’t a minor spelling mistake or typo. This is a surprising lack of education. What’s next, “COMP -UTER”? A chess player should especially be familiar with the word DATABASE. But as I said earlier, some people mindlessly trust machines, and don't have the capacity to think for themselves. People like that like to brag about their meticulous spelling, because even a chromosome-deficient inebriate can figure out how to use spelling software. Most of us couldn't be bothered, because we realize that spelling is not important when making casual internet forum posts.
And no, Stephenson, the "point" about ELO is not dead. It's your ability to learn and understand simple concepts that appears quite dead here. This has nothing to do with me not "agreeing" with you. This has to do with objective fact. An ELO rating could be talking about GO, Backgammon, or other games, that FIDE has absolutely nothing to do with, in addition to national rating organizations. You were wrong. End of story. Continuing to defend your ignorance of the meaning of ELO is just making it all the more obvious what it is you are to everyone reading this. Again, Stephenson, LOOK IT UP.
Don Groves (2008-05-16 06:03:34)
Erm...
Hi, Lincoln -- You learn quickly here to save long postings. That has happened to me more times than I care to admit ;-) The timeout for automatic logging off seems to vary considerably -- sometimes minutes, other times hours.
Joaquim Malpalma (2008-05-16 10:42:29)
Rated Chess 960??
Any chance of being able to play rated Chess 960 games on Fics? I would be for it, any others?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-16 14:05:58)
Rated Chess 960
Hello Joaquim, I don't think we would have players enough to create rating categories, so it would be difficult to obtain significant ratings :/
Andrew Stephenson (2008-05-16 18:19:42)
Beating FM's
If you have beaten more than 1 FM in a classical time control ie not rapid or blitz or bullet that is good on the other hand in short time controls it doesn't mean much at all I agree.
Its tough to improve or learn about chess from blitz or bullet unless you go over the game ie for opening accuracy or tactical shots missed and make notes.
Lincoln Tomlin (2008-05-17 19:07:03)
Don, Thibault, Jason...
Thanks. I usually do make a habit of copying to the clipboard before hitting any butons but, well, you know that ONE time you forget etc. :)
Not to worry. I just wanted to add what a powerful study tool FICGS can be in analysing structures, plans and ideas in openings for your OTB repertoire. I really think that this form of chess is undervalued in really trying to get an understanding of target middle and endgame positions for use in club and tournament play. I use a lowly 1.7Ghz Celeron based laptop and Chessbase along with an older version of a 'weaker' (not telling which) engine for checking line and ideas but mainly try for lines that I want to head for in games against humans. Unless they prove to be truly disastrous of course. 8|
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-19 06:35:14)
Major update (may 2008)
Hello to all, a new update including :
- Regular tournaments with prizes (see thread "Free tournaments with prizes")
- Norms, titles and prizes are now announced by email.
- Players with Epoints are shown in the connected players list (My messages).
- Affiliate links : For each new player referred by your link (see My account) posted on the world wide web, 1 Epoint will be added to your account.
- Search games function improved : You can now search games by opening and by rating (White & Black)
All feedback welcome :)
Richard Blank (2008-05-19 16:24:57)
Chess player in Costa Rica.
After reading a few threads, I wanted to introduce myself to this community. I look forward to sharing ideas with other forum members on how to improve my game. I am new and have played very little. Yet, I find the game stimulating and very competitive. Hats off to those that are masters. Quite a gift.
Best regards,
Richard
http://www.costaricascallcenter.com
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-19 16:56:33)
Finished games
Good idea, it is now implemented and will be included in the next update (in a few hours). Thanks !
Hannes Rada (2008-05-19 17:38:22)
Costa Rica !
Costa Rica ! Wonderful country !
Rainforests, animals, volcanoes.
It is definitely in a top position on my travel wish list :-)
Kind regards
Hannes
Hannes Rada (2008-05-20 22:37:01)
3 fold repetition - working correctly ?
Does the server recognise a 3 fold repetition correctly ?
If I am not too much confused, I think that my game against Balabaev - game 17830 - has been terminated after 2- fold repetition.
Can you please take a look into that.
Not really important because this game is definitely a draw, but it looks for me like a bug.
Michael Aigner (2008-05-23 10:30:13)
White is simply better
Hi Arnab,
in my opinion it is too late to look for improvements after move 26. I think white has just the better game (for ever) because of the unsafe black king.
Regards Michael
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-24 16:36:19)
Tournament winner in WCH
This is true in WCH round-robin tournaments only !
I explained why I've chosen this rule in previous threads, ie. :
>>
As you noticed, rating is quite important in FICGS world championship cycle (particularly established ratings, obtained from IECG / ICCF or after 9 games finished in FICGS) !
I think these rules are really the best choice in order to designate a world champion. It's more logical IMO to favour players who obtained previously the best results at FICGS and recognized organizations, and consequently a high rating. It takes time, of course. Even very strong players starting with a 1700 rating won't achieve a 2300 established rating before months !
Criterias in FICGS wch are (from most important to least) :
1) Winner of the previous cycle (qualify for the final match)
2) The eight best established ratings (play the KO tournament)
3) Points obtained in the wch tournaments
4) The tournament entry rating (TER)
<<
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-25 18:33:27)
Statistics
Statistics may look like CEGT or SSDF ones (ie. Rybka 2.3.2 vs. Rybka 2.3.1, with probably more draws as the engines versions are the same) but whatever the engine, it will win as White and Black sometimes.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-27 17:18:27)
Provisional rating
Not so big IMO. Ratings move fast, it doesn't take a long time to move to a higher category at this level (for a strong player / centaur).
Michael Aigner (2008-05-27 18:35:33)
Sorry but white is going to win
I think black has a maximum 10 % drawing chances in this position. e.g.
[Event "Blitz:120'"]
[Site "PC"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Naum 3.1"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[TimeControl "7200"]
{256MB, Hiarcs10.ctg, HOME-PC} 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 c6 5. Bg5 h6
6. Bh4 dxc4 7. e4 g5 8. Bg3 b5 9. Be2 Bb7 10. O-O Nbd7 11. Ne5 Bg7 12. Nxd7
Nxd7 13. Bd6 a6 14. a4 e5 15. Bg4 exd4 16. e5 c5 17. Re1 Nxe5 18. Bxe5 O-O 19.
Bxg7 Kxg7 20. Ne2 f5 21. Bh5 f4 22. b4 cxb3 23. Qxb3 Qd5 24. Qh3 Bc8 25. Nc3
dxc3 26. Qxc3+ Qd4 27. Qf3 Ra7 28. axb5 Rf6 29. h3 Qd6 (29... Re6 30. Qa3 Rxe1+
(30... Qd6 31. Rxe6 Bxe6 32. Rd1 Qe5 33. b6 Re7 34. Rc1 g4 35. hxg4 Rd7 36. Qa5
Qd6 37. Qxa6 and White wins) 31. Rxe1 Bf5 32. b6 and White wins) 30. Re8 Be6 31. h4 g4 32. Bxg4 Bf7
33. Rc8 and White is clearly better
Regards Michael
Mik Kris (2008-05-27 19:51:18)
Thanks for the quick response
I am sorry I did not think my original idea it all the way
And forgat my manners for a moment there
I wold like to thank you for building this great site and this opportunity for me to meet many intersting people
Yes I wold like to be able to challenge some one for a simple rank game without starting a tournament
one more thing might be nice is to get an "are youre ready to play" message before a game in a bullet or lightning tournament
Mik Kris (2008-05-27 20:17:14)
sure yes
yes but a scrolling message is hardly enough i cold be afk while the game begins and just not know it happend also i might miss a whole game in a half a minute i am simply away
Mik Kris (2008-05-29 06:37:00)
so thing you might not know about go
go is not about making a better move its about keeping the game equal
you cant win in go unless youre oponent had a misstake that you fix
or a simple misstake you didnt evean have to fix
most players take too long to realy understand this
hell i know this i stil dont understand it
but its true ask any strong player or pro
its evean more true in our kyu games where we make a wrong move every few
also i took some time lookin at some games on this site
it seems that most players here dont use the extra time they have to read
or make shape any way
in fact many games are lost becouse of misstakes in reading
what seems to me becuse the lack of faster games where you have to read perfactly fast
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-05-30 14:16:46)
Re
I heard rumours that chess increase logical thinking and reasoning skills. So chess player must have difficulties to be scientologist.
Wanted to test that 'theory'.
But, if seriously... I have alergic reaction to that cult.
I had argument with girl - the main scientologist of Latvia. It was funny and sad in one time.
Just wanted to talk about it.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-05-31 04:46:39)
Scientology
There was an important breakthrough, scientology is a desease, the virus was just found, it is a close cousin of the HIV virus.
A colateral effect is a temporary sterility, that's why Tom could not have children before.
The only cure is the euthanasia.
Don Groves (2008-05-31 09:53:29)
Scientology virus
This new virus is also called HIV, Rodolfo. Instead of Human Immunodeficiency Virus, it is the Human Intellideficiency Virus ;-)
Don Burden (2008-05-31 13:28:03)
Scientology
I remember hearing Isaac Asimov on a radio talk show once. He told the story about the time L. Ron Hubbard, Robert Heinlein, and himself were sitting around a table talking. There was a bet made at that time between Heinlein and Hubbard that Hubbard couldn't create his own religion.
Paul-Iosif Guralivu (2008-06-01 15:26:35)
Problem....Problem
There is a problem....
In 1986 L. Ron Hubbard disappear.
At that time there were questions concerning this. What really happend with him.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-06-02 01:33:37)
Satanic Elements of Scientology
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/satanic1.htm
Don Groves (2008-06-02 04:45:58)
Films with Go
"A Beautiful Mind" and "Prime" both have scenes of Go playing.
Garvin Gray (2008-06-02 19:14:39)
response
Wayne, this is an enternal problem and while you complain about it for the rating group 2100-2300, saying that only 2100 will benefit from it.
No matter what the rating bracket, it has been shown on this site many times that very few players will enter a waiting list when their entry is just below the cut off.
So changing the rating limits to 2200-2400 will not change this behaviour, all it will do is move the 'problem'.
Garvin Gray (2008-06-02 19:19:13)
Open entry tournament
Hello Thibault,
Have been thinking for a while that it might be an idea to set up a tournament where everyone enters and then groups are decided strictly in rating order.
So the top nine? players in rating order play each other, followed by the next nine and so forth.
Have been thinking that this might be worth a try to alleviate the issue of players not entering a waiting list when they are just under the rating cut off.
Advantages:
1) Players will get to play against a full field of similarly rated players
2) Players will not know ahead of time where they will be in the nine player division, so hopefully they will not avoid entering because they are just under the rating cut off.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-02 21:44:21)
Poll : Texas hold'em Poker at FICGS ?
Hi all,
Still thinking about adding other games at FICGS. Of course, Xiangqi and Shogi are good candidates, a popular one (I quite like) would be poker texas hold'em. What do you think about such a [chancy] game played for fun at a correspondence time control at FICGS ?!
All opinions or advices are welcome.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-06-03 00:27:34)
yippie yeah
Good idea.
You would be a serious offer.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-06-03 00:32:35)
Hubbard had satanic Contacts
Hubbard had satanic Contacts like Alistair Crowley.
http://lermanet.com/scientologynews/nypost-satanic-link03162003.htm
Jason Repa (2008-06-03 02:47:02)
Poker
Poker is not really poker without a monetary wager, similar to backgammon.
Unlike chess or snooker, where a brilliantly played game can be satisfaction enough, the entire point of poker is to win money (cash game) or accumulate chips (tournament) by hook or by crook. Achieving this in practice has much more to do with exploiting mistakes and emotional weaknesses in your opponents than doing anything "brilliant".
As for "Play money" poker, it's for bored housewives and people who have too much free time on their hands. These are the same people who kill time by playing solitaire.
Jason Repa (2008-06-03 03:14:01)
Poker at FICGS
I've never heard of poker having an elo rating system. There is too much of a luck factor in order for that to be meaningful IMO. Obviously there is some skill in poker, but the fruits of this only manifest in the "long-run". Even top professionals have had losing periods in excess of a year in duration.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-06-03 03:56:21)
Entry Rating
Okey Dokey Gavin, your right of course. I just feel like fewer players are inflicted with this misery at 2200-2400. I guess I am biased tho. I forsee that for me reaching 2300 will be almost impossible with the new bracket...I am in several tournaments at the previous bracket rating system, my hope is I can make it in this way, just dunno
Thank you
Wayne
Don Groves (2008-06-03 06:43:39)
Poker at FICGS
Skill in poker is in how you manage your money and knowing when to bluff and when not to. If the stakes are not large enough to make bluffing meaningful, then it becomes simply who gets the better cards -- a game of chance. Just my $0.02 worth ;-)
Jason Repa (2008-06-03 08:06:37)
Poker
There's a bit more to the game than just knowing when to bluff. Poker is all about exploiting mistakes and minimizing both the frequency and magnitude of the mistakes that you make. Mistakes can take various forms, ranging from tells, to lack of or too much aggression, to letting your emotions get the better of you, making mathematical errors, etc.
Money management is meaningless if you're making -EV decisions.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-06-03 15:38:05)
Poker with ELO
Would Poker with ELO be a worldwide novelty? :-)
Why not!
Benjamin Block (2008-06-03 17:20:27)
Poker
I have not seen any site with corr poker it would be funny? Or do you mean live time?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-03 18:00:59)
Correspondence Poker
Live time is easier, a problem is that correspondence poker may be very long : ~6 moves by hand by player, let's say from 10 or 20 hands to 100 hands and more in one game, so many moves :/ .. but it may be possible to limit the number of hands and calculate ratings also by taking account of what is left after ie. 100 hands - which is quite few anyway.
Michael Sharland (2008-06-04 00:42:53)
Worth a try
It might be fun to give it a try but I don't think that you would get too much separation in ELO between the top and bottom players. I think it will be hard for anyone to win more than 65% of the time unless the blinds aren't increased too fast. Slower blind increases will increase the length of the average game and allow for a little more skill but will make it harder to come up with workable time controls. Maybe a 10-20 minute control with little or no increment would work best.
Don Groves (2008-06-04 06:13:07)
Poker
--- Jason Repa wrote:
"There's a bit more to the game than just knowing when to bluff. Poker is all about exploiting mistakes and minimizing both the frequency and magnitude of the mistakes that you make. Mistakes can take various forms, ranging from tells, to lack of or too much aggression, to letting your emotions get the better of you, making mathematical errors, etc."
--------
I should have said my statement was about those who know the mechanics of the game. Once someone can play technically correct poker, as you would find in any high-level game, then bluffing and money management become paramount.
Jason Repa (2008-06-04 06:48:23)
Poker
"I should have said my statement was about those who know the mechanics of the game"
Actually, you've just confirmed that you don't know anything at all about the game of poker. As is the case for you with chess. And you obviously didn't understand the expression "-EV" , so I'll explain it to you. EV means expected value. It is the sum of the probability of each possible outcome of the event multiplied by the outcome value (or payoff). Thus, it represents the average amount one "expects" as the outcome of the random trial when identical odds are repeated many times. Obviously if this value is a negative number, money-management is completely meaningless as you will lose money in the long run. Money management is actually the easiest thing to figure out. It's a no-brainer for anyone who knows anything about money gaming. It has to do with ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to keep the risk of ruin down to a comfortable level, to account for standard deviation (bad luck). If you're a losing poker player, ie, one in which the net result of all your decisions results in a negative expected value, money management is clearly totally meaningless. This simple concept is quite obvious to most people. I've never before met an adult who required it to be explained to them like this.
People who's minds go beyond the superficial understand that there is much more to poker than working out the simple arithmetic of the game, such as how many outs for a flush/straight.... pot odds, implied pot odds, etc, which is probably what you mean by "knowing the mechanics of the game". Playing that kind of mindless, one-dimensional game might work OK at microlimits, but beyond that you'll need to learn that poker is much more of a game of psychology than it is a game of math. A mathematician by the name of Barry Greenstein, who incidentally has won more than $10,000,000 playing poker, once said that also. I've got a feeling he knows a bit more about the game than you do, lol.
Jason Repa (2008-06-04 09:11:18)
Poker
As usual, Groves, you're returning to your trolling ways once again. You're the one who started with the personal attack here, not me. I simply stated that that there is more to poker than mere bluffing and money management, as you contended. You seriously don't know anything at all about the game of poker. That's not an attack, that's a fact. I was studying the value of inflection points and stack to pot ratios when you were struggling to learn the difference between a straight and a flush.
Just as you're a 1600 chess player, so you're showing your mediocrity where poker is concerned by grossly oversimplifying what the game is about. Saying that poker is more a game of psychology than math is hardly saying that all there is to poker is bluffing, as you repeatedly and mindlessly keep stating. For starters, bluffing is just one tool in a strong poker player's toolbox, and it is both a psychological, as well as a scientific/mathematical tool at that. In no limit poker, for example, sometimes a player will spend hours trying to create a certain image just to set up one single play in order to win a large pot. There are all kinds of relevant intangibles that are so far beyond your comprehension it's not funny.
And I really couldn't care less what you agree or disagree with. I know what I'm talking about. You don't. I have a proven track record over the last two decades as a winning player. I'd be surprised if you're not in the hole overall. And FYI, everything I've said is consistent with what guys like Greenstein, Skansky, Harrington, etc have been saying for years.
Do yourself a favour, Groves.....go read a poker book and learn some basics. Then perhaps you'll be able to make a contribution to a discussion about poker.
Jason Repa (2008-06-04 10:02:42)
Poker
Groves, it's pretty sad if you aren't capable of understanding what you did. But in your case I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
And I don't need to meet you in person to know what you're all about. Your words speak volumes. And FYI chess ratings aren't obtained by flipping coins. You're a mere 1600 and change player. It's not the result of "bad luck".
You equate the stating of facts with "insulting". The problem is when I'm dealing with a very modest individual like you, every objective fact I state is interpreted as an insult.
As I said, read a poker book, or get someone to read one to you so that you can learn the basics of the game. Perhaps then you'll understand that there is more to the game than simply managing your money and knowing when to bluff.
Don Groves (2008-06-04 19:59:07)
Poker
Your definition of "objective facts" is a bit weak, Repa. You state that I'm not intelligent enough to get my Chess rating higher yet I just told you I don't play Chess anymore. Besides that, my meager rating was achieved without the use of computers. One of the reasons I switched to Go is because Go is not yet dominated by computer programs. Why don't you try Go yourself and see how high a rating you can achieve without the aid of a computer? Also, in my second post, I agreed with you there is more to poker than just bluffing, etc. I said my comments were meant for players who already had mastered the mechanics and mathematics of the game. Rather than acknowledging this, you commenced with an ad hominem attack so typical of you.
I stand by my original statement that the stakes in poker must be high enough to make bluffing possible or the game becomes nothing but chance where the best hand wins every pot. The best psychological game of poker is five-card draw with pot-limit and table-stakes. Playing with cards dealt face-up as in stud or hold-em (which is a form of 7-card stud) is for those who can't handle the uncertainty of not knowing for sure when they have a lock or at least that the odds are heavily in their favor.
Jason Repa (2008-06-04 20:22:20)
Poker
No, your ability to understand simple concepts is what is weak here groves. You keep whining that your paltry 1600 chess rating shouldn't matter because you haven't played chess in a couple of years, but what difference does that make? Are elo points easier to obtain now? And what about Go? You play that game regularly, yet you have a pathetic 1300 rating at that as well. You better open a window before you think up another lame excuse....I wouldn't want you to die from smoke inhalation.
I don't know how many times I need to keep repeating myself in order for the point to penetrate your skull, but your comment about "mastering the mechanics" of the game is pure nonsense. You speak as if the entirety of poker theory can be equated to memorizing basic strategy in blackjack. You seem to think the discussion of calculating EV is based purely on figuring out pot-odds and how that relates to the number of outs, etc, but if you had the incipience of a clue about the game you'd realize that there is much MORE involved than that. Poker is an information game and all the information you have at your disposal, such as the temperament and mood of your opponent(s), your perceived table image (or at least your interpretation of it), the history of the action that has occurred so far, the tells that you pick up and the false tells that you may be sending to your opponents, etc, goes into the calculation of the EV on any given play. The better a player is able to conduct these evaluations and convert them into value, at least intuitively....the better a poker player they are. Even online poker has some tell/false-tell action as the response time can be varied.
Re-read my previous post where I mentioned that mistakes can take various forms. I clearly state, and in simple terms such that even you should be able to grasp, that there is more to the game than straightforward arithmetic calculations.
And I realize that you don't work, but geez, can you not find something better to do with your time than try to provoke people on the internet? Why don't you use all that free time you have on your hands to learn how to play Chess or Go beyond the level of a rank beginner?
Jason Repa (2008-06-04 20:56:31)
Poker
I don't "think" 1300 is a mediocre Go rating, any more than I "think" 1600 is a mediocre chess rating. But a guy like you is used to being below average at the things you do, so I guess you're comfortable with that.
I've proven myself for years at live OTB chess with no computer assistance whatsoever little guy. You're only making a fool of yourself with such comments. I'm in the top 1% of all tournament chess players in my province at slow chess. And I'm a several time provincial champion at blitz chess.
Did I use any words too complex for you to understand in my previous post? I tried to explain to you what goes into making poker decisions, in the way a 4 year old should be able to understand. Was I overly optimistic?
Jason Repa (2008-06-04 21:22:00)
Poker
Here we go again eh groves? You're a bored old man with no purpose in life other than to harass and annoy people on the internet.
Ah, I get it, you couldn’t cut it in chess, so you ran to Go, lol. But you can’t play that game either, so what’s it going to be next....tic tac toe? Unlike you, groves, I don’t have all day to sit around and play games. My gaming time is limited to chess and poker.
Perhaps it’s true what has been said about how people of a very advanced age start to become like children again. It’s especially sad when you’re dealing with someone who was less than impressive, even at their peak.
William Taylor (2008-06-04 23:09:47)
Don't like the idea
My initial reaction is that I don't like the idea. Whilst I do enjoy playing poker, I think it would be out of place here. As others have pointed out, there's a lot of luck involved, and (so far anyway) this website is for skill-based abstract strategy games. I also think it would be unsuited to a correspondence time control. Shogi or xiang-qi on the other hand... I'm in favour of introducing them.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-06-05 00:32:30)
Here I would enjoy it.
Poker is very popular.
Only 1 luck game would be o.k. for ficgs.
Here I would enjoy Poker.
Don Groves (2008-06-05 00:49:18)
FICGS Poker
Thibault -- How many players per "table?"
As for length of games, you could set a start time and end time, with a duration of one or two hours. When time is up, the game is over. That way everyone knows in advance the time commitment and can schedule accordingly.
Benjamin Block (2008-06-06 18:59:39)
Hydra vs Adams.
What was the time control in this game?
How could Adams know that his move was better when the computer?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-07 17:28:51)
Hydra vs Adams
Wasn't it classical time control ? (40 moves/2 hours)
What does mean your second question ?
Robert Mueller (2008-06-07 22:48:44)
Why so few top players in Wch 5 ?
I can only speak for myself. 1 move per day is too fast for me. I decided not to sign up for the WCH but play standard time controls (4 days per move) instead.
When I signed up for WCH 4, round 2 of WCH 3 started and then I surprisingly qualified for the WCH 2 final. Suddenly, I had more than 20 fast games in progress. This is too much stress for me.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-06-08 06:24:35)
Rapid chess entry rating
Jayson Repa has a point but I think he is missing my point. If Engine help was not allowed, I would agree 100%.
But with engine help, in practice mostly Rybka, a 2100 player is grossly under rated, I mean gross. So that is a huge barrier to overcome for a 2200+ rated player.
It is not obvious that a 2300 player climbing the ranks against 2400 players has a larger barrier than a 2200 player reaching 2300.
\The point I am making is: It matters little the ratings in correspondence chess with very very long time controls. Rybka does not know or care, the lil girl just makes best moves anyhow.
The skill comes in when the human selects the best opening and is the most capable of steering his engine consistant with his chess knowledge.
Heck Mr Repa I would love to play 2400 players, my chance of loosing is no greater than losing to a 2100 player, both would be using Rybka or engine of their choice.
With respect sir
Wayne
Benjamin Block (2008-06-08 08:51:48)
oops
It was a mistake. i mean Nickel vs Hydra. What was the time control in this corr game? I guess Nickel used a computer too. But how could he know that his move was better then the his computer?
Jason Repa (2008-06-08 11:09:30)
Nickel vs Hydra
I believe that Nickel used various chess engines to assist him with error-checking and analysis, similar to what any good corr. player does.
I especially liked the game where Nickel beat Hydra with the Black side of a French Tarrasch
Jason Repa (2008-06-08 20:37:40)
Rapid chess entry rating
No, Lowrance, you're the one missing the point here. And you're using engine assistance as much as anyone here, so don't pretend like you're somehow at a disadvantage. I've played you, and you're 100% program. Perhaps that's the problem.
Thibault mentioned once that a weak player running Rybka can get to around 2100 or so. To get beyond that requires some chess knowledge. While he may not be precisely accurate about the number....perhaps it's 2200 instead......nonetheless, the point is accurate. Everyone who's above 2000 on this site is consulting chess engines, but in corr. chess simply running a program alone is not the strongest way to play. You make it sound as though Rybka plays the perfect chess game. If that were the case everyone on this site would be rated about the same. It should be quite obvious to you that to go from 2300 to 2400 is much more difficult than going from 2200-2300. As a higher rated player, you get less points for winning or drawing, and lose more when you lose. As for your chances against 2400 players being the same as against 2100 players, that's pure nonsense. You'd be lucky to get the occasional draw against a 2400 player, (one who's really earned their rating and not just started with an artificially high rating as is the case with more than a few on this site) whilst you will lost most of those games. A higher rated player is higher rated for a reason. They win more games.
The correct spelling of my name should also be obvious to you, as it's on the same page that you're entering text into.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-06-08 22:59:52)
Rapid chess entry rating
Sorry for mispelled name, not my intention. This my last post here with you, I do not wish to engage in insults. I have never claimed to not use a engine. of course I do.
I do not know your rating, not bothering to look it up.
I am so very busy with my tourny games I have no time for you.
I will not forget your last post my friend. After I get a little free time from games I will challenge you to some match games. I doubt you will accept, but I will do it.
So long my friend, good c hess, good luck with your problems
Wayne
p.s. do not bother with a follow. I thank you
Jason Repa (2008-06-09 00:22:32)
Rapid chess entry rating
If you're not bright enough to figure out how to look up someone's rating, you better stick to "engine-assisted" chess. I'd probably beat you blindfolded in chess where you have to come up with the moves using your own mind. You're not even intelligent enough to figure out how to spell someone's name, when the spelling of it is right in front of you.
And for someone who doesn't want to engage in insults, you sure are doing a good job of insulting. Nice of you to "claim" I wouldn't accept your "challenge" of playing match games, before you even make the challenge. Obviously it's YOU who's backing down from match games with me, under the pretense of not having any time to play. What sheer nonsense. You seem to have a lot of free time on your hands....enough to blabber away with numerous forum posts where you whine about not being able to make it to 2300.
I'm challenging YOU to some human mind vs human mind chess on the playchess server right now. You can get a free trial account there (if you don't already have an account) in about 2 minutes. For a guy who's incessantly bickering about Rybka hurting your performance, you should love having the opportunity to prove to everyone reading this that you're not the spineless hypocrite coward I'm claiming you are and step up to the plate to play me some fast (so rybka or other engines cannot be consulted) online games.
Nice of you to tell us you have problems, but it was already obvious.
Don Groves (2008-06-09 06:47:09)
Brackets - both Chess and Go
In response to Garvin Gray's first response in this thread: There is a way around the problem of being stuck at a certain rating because you never get to play against higher rated players (which is necessary to move up) -- allow the winner of a tournament to qualify for the next higher classification regardless of his/her rating. This is done on at least one site already (IECG, if I recall correctly). If the player in question does not improve his/her rating enough to stay at the higher level, he/she drops back into the lower classification. Thibault would have to agree to allow this of course. I think it's a good way to reward the winner of a tournament.
Jason Repa (2008-06-09 08:12:28)
Brackets - both Chess and Go
" -- allow the winner of a tournament to qualify for the next higher classification regardless of his/her rating."
This idea seems interesting, on the surface, but on closer inspection it's not feasible. The FICGS tournament categories are dependent on certain rating averages that determine the level of points required in order to achieve norms for various FICGS titles, starting at class "M" and higher. Throwing in lower rated players would dilute the rating average of the entire tournament. It's also unfair to the rest of the players in that tournament who are legitimately qualified to be there. They are forced to play a lower rated opponent artificially and now THEY are at a big disadvantage in their attempt to gain the points required to get to the next level.
Additionally, I don't think groves thought about this long enough to realize that there is no guarantee that each "A" level tournament will end precisely as each "M" level tournament does. What if two "A" level events are completed in the time it takes for one "M" level event to finish, which isn't an unreasonable possibility as the "M" level players generally take the game more seriously and tend to use their time more? Should we then throw in TWO players into an "M" level event that don't deserve to be there? At any rate, it's a poor idea. If someone is winning tournaments, they're definitely gaining rating points and will qualify legitimately for the next rating level soon enough.
Don Groves (2008-06-09 09:01:24)
Brackets - Chess and Go
Thanks for your reasoned response, Jason. I'll answer your points in order:
(1) Having one lower rated player in a group of seven does not seem to me to be much of a dilution. Also, remember that this player is at or very near the top of the next lower rated group, and again, this doesn't seem like a large enough disparity to be of concern. (2) The other players in the group will have five other opponents rated within the group's normal limits and thus will have plenty of opportunity for their own advancement by winning a majority of those games. Remember also that Thibault instituted a rule that losing to a lower rated player only counts as a loss to someone a maximum of 150 ELO below. So, losing a game to this one player will not constitute a disaster to anyone's rating. (3) The new rule could easily specify that no more than one lower rated player may enter any given tournament. (4) Your point here is simply not true in general. In my own case, I'm the highest rated player in a current Go tournament. Even if I win every game, my rating will improve at most from 8 kyu to 7 kyu. The next cutoff point is 5 kyu and there's no way I can reach that level without playing against higher rated players.
Jason Repa (2008-06-09 11:05:13)
Brackets - Chess and Go
"Thanks for your reasoned response"
Somehow I don't think you know the meaning of the word "reason", groves.
"(1) Having one lower rated player in a group of seven does not seem to me to be much of a dilution"
It is very much a dilution. As I just finished explaining to you, it will not only make it more difficult for the other players in the tournament who legitimately qualify to be there by rating, to acquire the rating points necessary to get to the next level, but it will lower the overall rating average and effect the awarding of norms.
"Also, remember that this player is at or very near the top of the next lower rated group"
Total rubbish. You just finished saying, in your previous post, that you propose to allow the winner of a tournament to qualify for the next higher classification REGARDLESS of his/her rating. There is no certainty that the winner of the tournament will be near the top of the next lower rated group. They could very well be at the bottom of the next lower rated group, as I often was, as were many others, when I won tournaments.
"and again, this doesn't seem like a large enough disparity to be of concern."
And AGAIN, As I just finished explaining to you, it will not only make it more difficult for the other players in the tournament who legitimately qualify to be there by rating, to acquire the rating points necessary to get to the next level, but it will lower the overall rating average and effect the awarding of norms.
"Thibault instituted a rule that losing to a lower rated player only counts as a loss to someone a maximum of 150 ELO below"
Where did you get the 150 ELO figure from? I was under the impression it was a 200 ELO ceiling. Not that this has any relevance in terms of supporting your position anyway.
"The new rule could easily specify that no more than one lower rated player may enter any given tournament."
I just finished explaining to you that there is no guarantee that the "M" class tournaments will end at the same time as the "A" class tournaments. Not only do "M" class players tend to take the game more seriously and move slower, but there are more "A" class players than "M" so it takes longer to fill an "M" class list, hence less "M" class tournaments are played. If you propose to have only one "A" class player sent to an "M" class tournament at a time, then you'll quickly accumulate a waiting list backlog of "A" class players waiting to be seeded into a tournament they don't legitimately qualify for, stretching for decades. The other reasons I mentioned are MORE than enough reason to ditch this suggestion. This is just gravy.
Additionally, and once again, as I just finished explaining to you, if someone is winning tournaments, they're gaining rating points and will soon be able to qualify for the new rating category through legitimate means. So there is no reason at all to provide such "handouts".
I hope I don't have to repeat myself a third time here. It seems quite silly that you don't yet understand the simple and logical truth of what has been explained to you.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-09 23:36:06)
Invitations
Ok, that's an interesting discussion, the idea is interesting and it has some advantages but in the other hand to limit the number of invited players from a lower rated tournament (like IECG) is a problem. My main argument remains the same : too many rules is not good.
A poll could be instructive anyway.
Don Groves (2008-06-10 02:09:17)
Brackets...
(1) "Somehow I don't think you know the meaning of the word 'reason', groves."
Ah, here they come -- the insults so typical of you...
(2) "Where did you get the 150 ELO figure from? I was under the impression it was a 200 ELO ceiling."
I thought I remembered 150. If that's not correct you have my sincere apology...
(3) "There is no certainty that the winner of the tournament will be near the top of the next lower rated group. They could very well be at the bottom of the next lower rated group, as I often was, as were many others, when I won tournaments."
This is true and there is a simple fix -- add the condition that, in order to qualify for the exception, the player must be within 25 ELO of the next higher classification...
(4) "I hope I don't have to repeat myself a third time here. It seems quite silly that you don't yet understand the simple and logical truth of what has been explained to you."
Poor boy! I'm so sorry I made you repeat yourself. I get the feeling though you don't really mind as you seem to love the sound of your own voice so much.
Thibault has decided this anyway and I abide by his decision. Your precious class M tournaments are safe from pollution by losers who are not yet up to your lofty standards.
You can have the last word now -- you always do anyway.
Jason Repa (2008-06-10 04:52:22)
Senility is a terrible thing
"Ah, here they come -- the insults so typical of you"
Sorry groves, but I was simply stating facts. It's difficult to find anything to say about you that you won't construe as an "insult". Everything that has spewed out of your keyboard thus far is evidence of your complete lack of reasoning ability, and very modest IQ.
"I thought I remembered 150. If that's not correct you have my sincere apology"
You "think" a lot of nonsense that isn't true, groves. This is nothing new.
"-- add the condition that, in order to qualify for the exception, the player must be within 25 ELO of the next higher classification"
I realize that with your condition you can scarcely recall your own words from moments ago, but it was YOUR idea that the player in question be seeded into the higher rating classification event REGARDLESS of their rating. So now the little light bulb went on in that melon head of yours and you now realize what I was telling you earlier....about there being no guarantee that the tournament winner is rated near the top of his classification? If you're going to change what you proposed earlier, and only allow players who are within 25 elo of the higher classification, what's the point of it? You might as well let him get the remaining 25 elo on his own and enter the higher classification event normally.
I'm so sorry I made you repeat yourself.
You're doing an awful lot of apologizing, groves. Your very existence seems to be one big apology. I'm sure quite a few people in your life have to repeat themselves, ad nauseum, for your benefit.
"You can have the last word now"
The last word should have been my previous post. As usual, you've contributed nothing of value here. Just more pathetic whining and blabbering, as per usual.
Don Groves (2008-06-10 08:05:43)
Brackets
Sometimes truth hurts, repa, but your opinions most certainly are not truth. Your rants about me are simply the opinions of one person who seems to believe that belittling others makes himself seem more important by comparison. There's a word for someone who mistakes his own opinions for facts: delusional. From what I've seen of most of your posts on FICGS, it fits you perfectly. Ta ta.
Jason Repa (2008-06-10 08:34:35)
Senility is a terrible thing
How long are you going to keep whining and crying here groves? If I had any doubt about the accuracy of my comments, it would certainly be removed after this emotional protest from you. You're extremely pathetic, even for the standards of a geriatric imbecile. First you say that you won't be posting in this thread anymore, then you prove to everyone reading this that you're a bold-faced liar, in addition to everything else that has been said about you. I proved how patently stupid you are, in point by point form. You don't even realize that you've contradicted yourself repeatedly. You can't even remember your own words.
Do yourself, your family, and society a favor little man, and see someone about euthanasia.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-10 15:19:31)
Rules : 11.1 Netiquette
Hello all, I would like to apologize to all members for reading such unacceptable posts in this forum. Rules are not so easy to apply in some cases, now I've taken measures.
Thanks for understanding.
11. General rules
11. 1. Netiquette
(...) It is possible to leave public comments for your games and to send private messages to other members. No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Doing so may lead to being immediately and permanently banned. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and may lead to get a limited access to the server during a few weeks, at the moderator's discretion. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.
Wayne Lowrance (2008-06-10 16:44:32)
Rapid chess entry rating
I am pleased that Thiabalt has/is taking steps to put a stop to this bickering and name calling here at the chess site.
For my part I would like to apoligize to all for opening this "Rapid chess entry rating" topic in the first place. It is my bad ! And I will not repeat this mistake again.
It was never my intension to creat such chaos. I thought it was a harmless topic and was giving an opinion.
I feel bad that one individual has such a dislike for me. I have been playing c hess on internet for perhaps 20 years, and in all of that time I have never had anyone dislike me, I confess it does bother me.
Wayne
Andrew Stephenson (2008-06-10 18:09:02)
No apology necessary
You have nothing to apologise for Wayne your comments were reasonable. It is up to Thibault to enforce the policy and to stop this kind of thing happening. To have this happen every time different opinions are expressed is very damaging for the site. I respect everyone on this site whatever their grading and whether they agree or disagree with me. If someone cannot control their language and become abusive they should not be allowed to post on the forum - its that simple.
Michael Aigner (2008-06-10 18:31:02)
No apology necessary
I agree completely with the things you sayed.
I feel bad every time I stumble over such aggressive and unpolite behavior in the forum.
Garvin Gray (2008-06-10 19:11:59)
impressions.
One poster in particular always seems to be involved. Could just be an impression??
Pablo Schmid (2008-06-10 21:33:16)
Always the same guy
It's always the same guy, I don't even want to write his name, he would be happy. In each topic where he speaks there is a new victim, he is sure to be the most intelligent and take everything personnally, and insult anybody who don't think like him. I don't know why Ilmars's comment have been deleted, I didn't read them but the King of insults seems to have impunity. If you put his name on google you will see how much trouble he makes everywhere. That behavior should really not be accepted here. I never saw a chess player so rude in my life.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-10 22:00:22)
You're always welcome, Wayne :)
Of course you don't have anything to apologize for, Wayne. I'm very sorry about how the discussion finished. Now time to end (and bury) this thread...
Marc Lacrosse (2008-06-11 23:54:23)
Strange rating ...
Having a look at the rating list I see that Ryszard Kasperek has a 2544 rating and the FICGS FEM title.
I just wonder how he got the FEM title as he did never play a single game on FICGS ?
He has been rated 14 times with the same original 2544 elo without a single game played here
Strange ...
IMHO people who register here with a high foreign rating and do not play a single game in more than one year should be banned.
I cannot even imagine how they could be granted a FICGS title
Marc
Marc Lacrosse (2008-06-12 00:03:48)
Example
GM Suat Atalik never played a single game here and did not connect once since early 2006.
Keeping him in a rating list is not correct
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-06-12 15:12:47)
More thematics ...
Also the old indian defence or janowskey indian thematic tournament would be nice, Tal used the latter occasionally. They are solid, a bit passive. I played a few times the janowskey indian and I felt like I was playing a Philidor with steroids.
Benjamin Block (2008-06-14 10:56:40)
Quote festival, part 4
You can´t win the best player. Because if you win him he is not the best.
(Benjamin Block)
Marc Lacrosse (2008-06-17 07:55:59)
Conditionals ?
I know that this has been discussed before...
But I still feel that possible use of conditional moves would be a nice improvement here.
Nothing mandatory : simply the possibility to tell your opponent : "If you play this move my answer is that one".
I cannot see how it could hurt in any way but I feel that it may help soften (and fasten) the play in situations like forced suites, exchanges and so on.
Your opinion ?
Marc
Andrew Stephenson (2008-06-17 09:43:26)
Conditionals
Yes good idea. IMO no need to trial it though could be limited to rapid tournament where time saving is perhaps more important
Thibault de Vassal (2008-06-21 16:49:05)
DMD
Hi Marc.
Rules specify that in such cases one should call referee a first time then again ie. one month later, then things become more clear.
Normajean Yates (2008-07-04 16:02:52)
basic question re vacation
the faq says on vacation that :
<<Vacation : 1. During [vacation], your clocks are frozen and it is no more possible to play, in order to reduce the effects on time controls.
2. Please note that the time limit per move clock still runs during vacation [...] you can add days leave during this period.>>
Can someone make it clearer what point 2 means?
Thibault?
Normajean Yates (2008-07-04 16:04:59)
i second that
I think Garvin Gray's suggestion is an excellent one - in fact imho the current policy on this is seriously misguided.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-04 22:43:41)
vacation
Hello Normajean,
Point 2 means that no move will be played in a period exceeding 60 days, even if you take vacation (otherwise you lose the game on time). However, when you take vacation the program will warn you if you take too many days, ie. if you have 20 days in game xxx but if you did not play a single move for 55 days (actually since your opponent replied) in this game and if you want to take 10 days of vacation, a message will appear in red before you confirm.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-04 22:50:54)
Closing of old topics
Hi Garvin,
Well, some problems may appear if topics can be reopened whenever.. Mainly, it helps to maintain a chronological order of threads (that will appear below the post preview). Posting links to old topics should be ok IMO, and it is not possible to totally avoid topic repetitions anyway. Maybe I can set the delay to 6 months though, what do you think ?
Marc Lacrosse (2008-07-05 19:36:23)
Qualification information ?
Because i did not realise that I had qualified for two WCh tournaments I recently enrolled for a third one and had three tournaments beginning almost simultaneously in january, which proved to be too much for me.
And now the deadline for the next Wch (005)is approaching and it just seems that i will win WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_M_01__000004.
So I am hesitating : when will Wch-004 next stage begin ?
I do not wish anymore to have more than one tournament starting almost at the same time.
More generally speaking, I wish I could get the following infos permanently updated on my "My messages" page :
* I enrolled for a tournament of type X on date Y. Presently there are already Z players enrolled for this tournament.
* I registered for championship X on date Y. this is supposed to start on date Z.
* In tournament Wch-X my present result ensures (or leaves the possibility open) that I will be qualified for next stage tournament that is supposed to begin on date Y.
Your opinion ?
Marc
Normajean Yates (2008-07-05 20:08:47)
doing both would be an excellent idea
thibault extends closure time to 6 months.
Posters would create a new heading saying re:<old topic> and start by giving link to old topic.
That should be fine, I think.
(in fact this was/is a problem with usenet [newsgroups] - so it is an old problem in a new place :) )
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-05 21:58:53)
Qualification information
Hi Marc, next stages of previous championships will start at the same time, or a few days/weeks after, actually as soon as possible.
Your idea is interesting, not much time right now but let's see what other players think about that.
Anyway, anyone who wants to retire from the waiting list may send a message to me before the start of the tournaments.
Mark Hailes (2008-07-09 18:25:19)
Derrida
Yes I see, but Derrida's sensitivity to the social dimension of the aesthetic form and his comprehensive hermeneutic method make it possible to raise the question of the dialectical meaning of the ambiguities in the subtext of the game and the moves themselves, perhaps, are not a centre but the meaning of the game.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-09 22:18:10)
Derrida
Strongly advise against reading anything by the chap although I did enjoy his defense to being caught with a big bag of dope in prague - it was planted on him when he visited Franz Kafka's grave - hmmm yeah ok.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-07-10 19:07:01)
I know the answer
N
Don Groves (2008-07-10 23:43:15)
Challenges
Thibault - Can we have a box on our preferences page that says whether or not we will accept challenges? Either that or a way to respond to a challenger with a message. I hate to appear rude and simply reject a challenge with no explanation.
Normajean Yates (2008-07-11 01:08:02)
response to TLP's last sentence is relev
Last proposition and last sentence Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus [english translation:]
Whereof cannot speak; we must remain silent.
Someone's response [mentioned in a book by Karl Popper - Popper didn't remember who gave this response] - But it only then that breaking the silence is most important!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-11 01:30:59)
Challenges
Hi Don, I'll work on it in a few weeks only :/ BTW players use the "challenge connected players" [All] option sometimes...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-11 13:51:34)
Checkmate
Hello,
The game has now ended, but in all cases the checkmated player has to resign (or lose on time).
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-11 23:05:32)
closure time
Threads closure time will be extended to 6 months in a few minutes.. let's try :)
Normajean Yates (2008-07-13 04:52:23)
I MEANT DECONSTRUCTION
I *meant* deconstruction, NOT demolition, thank you!
oops, Rodolfo d Ettorre's post is maybe not aimed at me! But, today I celebrate paranoia day ;)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-13 11:51:17)
Withdrawal WCH-2--3-00004
My apologies to the other participants in this stage 2 which has just started but I have to withdraw. Due to business and personal commitments I cannot sustain the rapid time limit so I have decided to resign all the games to try to minimise inconvenience. I had actually forgotten about this otherwise I would have informed Thibault before hand
Normajean Yates (2008-07-14 03:52:29)
meanwhile..
I will check whether my other computers have different settings for adblock plus etc. Or it is time to go to firefox 3!!
I have adblockplus with a filter-updater on this machine but not on others; but i don't think ABP is the problem.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-15 01:15:34)
Not luck
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=17894
Anyway a chess tournament is just like a poker championship, everything can happen, probabilities and any knowledge factor sometimes look like chance, but at the end when you watch all your games, everything takes sense... and vice versa.
Hannes Rada (2008-07-15 19:07:00)
Learning effect ??
I suppose you are here to improve your chess ability. For this purpose a mirroring moves - strategy seems to be useless ....
Michael Sharland (2008-07-15 20:12:15)
Wouldn't work anyway
If your opponent wanted to stop you they could just push you up against the time limit on one of the games as the mirroring player would always use at least a little more time than the opponent. Once the player has to pick a move, the opponent can diverge. Each player would than have a big time advantage in one game but that wouldn't be a big deal at these controls.
Only a vacation balance advantage would allow this idea to still work against determined opposition.
Usually, a better stategy is to diverge at the point where you can play a significantly better move than the opponent used and try and win at least one of the games while holding the other.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-16 00:32:46)
Mirroring moves
Mirroring moves is (of course) strictly forbidden, rule 11.3 [end] :
"It's strictly forbidden to play simultaneously the same game with black on a board and white on the other, against two different players or the same one, playing black moves like the opponent in the game with white and playing white moves like the opponent in the game with black."
Benjamin Block (2008-07-16 14:32:33)
New idea
i have think about this a long time but now i think it is time to write it down.
What do you think about make you´re own money price tournament. First you choose e-points fee 10 or 100. Then you choose how many games you want. Of course the site need to have limit so nobody take 100 games.
And you choose the highest and lowest rating you want here the site need to take a limit. And the last thing you choose the time control. Here it will be fun if we can take more time control example 30/10 days,50/10 days and 60/10 days.
What do you think?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2008-07-17 00:42:45)
Mirroring moves
Hello Thibault,
I think it is not possible to decide if a player mirrors moves ("plays simultaneously the same game ...") in two games before the two games have been finished.
Best,
Heinz-Georg
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-17 04:40:24)
Quotes added from House M.D.
The quotes file grow :) .. a few nice ones from Gregory House (House M.D.), ie:
- You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
- I take risks, sometimes patients die, but not taking risks causes more patients to die - so I guess my biggest problem is I've been cursed with the ability to do the math.
Applies also to chess & Go :)
BTW this TV series is an enormous - deserved - success in France (too).
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-17 14:14:25)
New idea
BTW it may be possible in the future to choose exactly how many E-Points to play but (thinking like a lawyer, Normajean ;)) french laws are still quite hard and fuzzy. There's a difference between entering a tournament with an entry fee & money prize and betting money on a game.
To choose how many games before to decide the result may be possible but there's some work yet... About the lowest and highest rating, I may add this option in a few weeks. Finally about time control, I may add it but is it a good and necessary thing ? I'm not sure.
Thanks for discussing new ideas anyway :)
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-07-17 16:03:58)
May be I'm a fool ....
...., but what is the simple difference between playing the same opening with black and white over 10 and more moves and MIRRORING?
When is ending the first and when beginning the second?
Jonathan Willis (2008-07-17 17:52:00)
Ending a game of Go
Hi
Unless I'm missing something I can't seem to see how to end a game of Go I'm in. We've both passed (several times now) I've calculated that I win by about 6.5 points but as far as the help section goes it just seems to say you reach an agreement??!!! How do you actually end a game? Thanks.
Benjamin Block (2008-07-17 19:30:56)
Why more times an be good.
First i am going to take a example.
You will play on a high rated tournamnet on iccf. The fee is 10 euro. But it is too hard for you too win so you need help from this site. You take help from this site. If you lose on this site you will win on iccf. If you lose on iccf you will win here not smart?
One more example. I play vs example you Thibault.
You are white. You start with. 1.e4 i make the move on iccf. the player on iccf. move 1-.e5 and i make the move on this site and so on....
Normajean Yates (2008-07-17 23:48:15)
and this takes the cake!
rule 11.2 - last paragraph: <<The rules assume that FICGS referees have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding the solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FICGS appeals to all its members to accept this view.>>
You see,even if you find 'loopholes' in La Code Tibault, you come against the above! :)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-18 04:55:03)
Mirror mirror on the wall
To put Thibaults explanation another way: the person doing the mirroring aleays plays his moves after the other other person. So after a while you can see who is the real player and who is the reflection.
Thibault has a system of rules that are very open and liberal but there are limits. For example at FICGS it is allowed to discuss a game that is not yet finished!
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-18 04:57:18)
Good question
Good question on the name change - at the same time I thought at FICGS you are supposed to use your real name?? Normajean??
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-18 14:24:09)
Chessbase Deep Rybka 3
Chessbase, who distributes the best chess engines (Fritz, Shredder, Junior, Hiarcs, Zappa...) now also distributes the little fish : Rybka 3 and Deep Rybka 3 are available.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4772
Rybka 3 (by Vasik Rajlich) is the reigning computer world champion and should be at least 80 points stronger than the previous version Rybka 2.3.2
Did anyone test it already ? What about the improvements (particularly Monte Carlo Analysis in endgames) ?
Rybka 3 book with 3,387,966 positions (260 MB) is also available.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-18 17:30:07)
Normajean
Norma is a popular girls name and is of latin origin (meaning norm or standard)has no connection with Norman.(north man) Jean is popular as a boys and girls name. (John , Joanna etc)
Normajean as a single name is completely unknown and not just uncommon or rare. It is like someone deciding to write their name as Susanmary. On the other hand in some places its quite common (more often for females) to be called by their first 2 names: eg Sue Ellen, Mary Pat Mary Jo etc Of course in many jursidictions (UK for example) a person can opt to change their legal name to virtually anything they fancy Simonpeterandrew for example.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-18 17:51:09)
Rapid tournaments
Hello Olivier,
WCH and rapid tournaments time control is 30 days + 1 day / move.
BTW 1 move a week may be too slow for classical time control 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves in some cases :/
Normajean Yates (2008-07-21 15:16:14)
why so few women on ficgs?
compare chess.com.
Simone de Beauvoir write in Le Deuxième Sexe, 1949 that women in l'Etats-Unis d'America are more advanced...
Still true? [with modification: women members of USA-based sites :)]
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-21 15:37:01)
Caire - Utesch
It just started :)
FICGS__CHESS__WCH_CANDIDATES_FINAL__000002
Also congrats to Alberto Gueci who finished the 2nd round robin final (just like the 1st one) with 4 out of 6. Next time is the one !
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-07-21 15:43:40)
They don't need it
They don't need it
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-07-21 22:23:35)
Women don't play so much
Women don't play so much as we do
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-07-22 00:25:50)
Women
So, if there were more women playing chess, their average strength would be similar to men's
Normajean Yates (2008-07-22 23:00:04)
critical mass?
see the rate of increase of GMs and IMs who are women [i am not talking of WGMS et al, but GMs who are women!], over the last 50 years. Extrapolate it: in 50 years te questions will be 'why are there so few men in chess?'
Men, as a general rule, will then say: 'we dont play chess because it is trivial'. No point arguing with men in general. Men in general are STUPID and ARROGANT.
Who needs men *qua* men?
A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.
I play chess against people who just *happen* to be men.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-23 14:00:26)
MoGo vs. Human
In 1997 Janice Kim (1 dan) beat Handtalk, then the strongest Go program, despite giving the program a 25-stone handicap.
On Thursday, August 7, Kim MyungWan 8p will play MoGo, probably the world's strongest computer Go program. MoGo will be running on a supercomputer boasting over 3,000 processor cores !! The game will be broadcast live on KGS - http://www.gokgs.com/download.xhtml
The human is "8p", meaning 8-dan professional; not quite 3 stones stronger than a 1d pro player, who in turn would give an amateur 1d at least 6 stones. Edward Lasker said that 3 stones handicap at Go is comparable to knight odds at chess.
Normajean Yates (2008-07-23 17:01:48)
Michael Aigner i sometimes agree ..
Oh how i hate the human race
how i hate its ugly face
[there were four more lines ive forgotten - anyone remembers 'em? :)]
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2008-07-23 17:33:36)
Janice Kim
Janice Kim was a 1 Dan professional in 1997, she is 3 Dan professional now.
Is there more information available somewhere, e.g. regarding handicap and time settings?
Philip Roe (2008-07-23 20:42:20)
poems against humanity
Normajean,
I cant recall the ending either, but in a similar vein,
My fellow man I do not care for
I often ask me whats he there for
The only answer I can find
Is reproduction of his kind.
Mark Hailes (2008-07-23 21:35:32)
poem for humanity
Is it all for reproduction?
that's a very grim deduction.
Perhaps it's more the joy we share
before we make our final prayer.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-07-24 04:05:02)
Against Humanity
I agree, humanity is bad for the health of our planet, but there is hope, our species can be improved, have a look at this URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee
Normajean Yates (2008-07-24 04:41:27)
on another note: absence of term for..
We [English] have a saying - "The French have a word for it"...
Now, I am lesbian in a partnership [call it 'common law/uncommon law marriage if you like :)] that is 24-year long now; but the sexual part of it is over for 8+ years now. I am asexual now. I know of a few similar gay-asexual males, including a close friend.
Also in a poll 1% of fellow britishers [or was it resrticted to englanders?] reported that they were asexual.
So, French wo/men; do you have a word for gay-asexual? [i prefer to use the term gay for both gay females and gay males. For one; not every inhabitant of Lesbos is or was 'lesbian' or for that matter female! :)]
Don Groves (2008-07-25 05:07:16)
I have noticed aslo...
... that some lesbians of my acquaintance are not sexually active but want a loving, long term relationship and don't find it with a man. I feel the path to a loving relationship is through true friendship and humo(u)r. Sex may fade with age, but the enjoyment of each other improves :-))
Normajean Yates (2008-07-26 00:55:34)
the english wikipedia ...
has a link to ficgs in the 'Correspondence chess server' article; but no article.
I had a fight with jimbo wales and co so I will never post there; [i was one of the first posters and always anonymous...] - but someone should maybe go ahead and do so.
Normajean Yates (2008-07-26 03:04:48)
then .. {white resigns } 0-1 :)
"white's game in its last throes" so white to save time resigns :)
Although Reti 'quotes' Breyer as above in 'new ideas in chess' - i have a copy (english tr. of 3rd ed. )- but it looks like Reti made it up - Breyer never said or wrote it! [of course he woudnt have written 1. e4? because i think algebraic notation was not popular then :)
Normajean Yates (2008-07-26 14:27:09)
Rodolfo ... I am playing that song ..
right now on this computer - can you hear it? :)
Andrew, the woman who said all that you cited [Martha Stewart?] is in the ultimate analysis a victim of social programming.
Mark Hailes (2008-07-26 18:52:52)
Descartes
@Rodolfo. Just to be pedantic - I'm pretty sure that the well known *fact* that Descartes invented the "Cartesian coordinate system" is actually a myth.
So, in Descartes day, the notation for 1.e4 might be something like this:
"The white king, for his first draught, commands his owne pawne, and places him into the fourth house before his owne place."
Philip Roe (2008-07-27 03:39:07)
Notation
There is a history of chess notation at
http://www.excaliburelectronics.com/history0799.html
crediting algebraic notation to Philip Stamma in 1737 and stating that "by the 19th century Stamma's simple system had become the norm in some European countries".
So if Breyer did make the remark attributed to him it would probably have read something like "after Nf3..." bur with N replaced by the symbol for Knight in whatever language he was using.
Descartes of course, invented algebraic geometry, in which a straight line is represented by
ax+by=c
and so on.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-27 18:35:24)
Logged off
Hmm hmm.. How much time before you are logged off ? Any other case ?
Marc Lacrosse (2008-07-27 19:36:41)
The specifics of match play ...
Tanks to FICGS championships interesting formula I just entered Wch 005 in a quarter final 8-games match (against GM Balabaev).
This is the first time I have to play several simultaneous games against the same opponent in correspondence play.
There are interesting questions related to this unusual kind of tournament.
First of all, what kind of opening(s) should you play, and more precisely is it better to vary or to go for the same opening in several games?
Having had a look at my opponents former games I had prepared quite a few options.
As Black I decided to rely on my favorite Bc5 sicilian defence
Four identical games developped and very soon it appeared that these games should be decisive for the whole match
For long I was afraid that my opponent could come with some decisive prepared analysis leading to a 4-0 lead ...
But the opposite happened and all four games ended (draw by position repetition) before I had left my opening prep, after less than one month of play.
Thus I am left with four games where I am white
A considerable advantage IMHO ...
On this precise topic I wonder what is the opinion of top players here : is it better to be the one who vary early or should you go along your favorite analysis as long as your opponent won't diverge himself in case of match play
I have never read anything on this topic anywhere ...
Marc
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-27 22:36:38)
Not much
Sometimes very quick 1 or 2 minutes!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-28 00:18:07)
Logged off
Hi Andrew. "Sometimes" ? What do you mean ? Does it also happen on other forums using sessions ?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-28 00:27:32)
The specifics of match play ...
Hi Marc.
There was discussions about the 8 games match format already... and you may have seen that I used this strategy without success before with Farit as my opponent :)
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_3__000003.html
Anyway, the choice of openings and to vary the lines is a very complex (and interesting) question IMO, that depends on too many factors, so I probably may change my view in certain cases, whatever the results.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-07-28 01:03:35)
Sometimes
I mean I always get logged off just the time varies
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-28 18:18:20)
8 games matches
"But as i have to win at least one game I feel this is easier to achieve with white ..."
Theorically (only ?). Anyway I made this choice during my match because I had about 80 running games at that time (quite inhuman :)) so I managed my rating :/
You know that this time control 30 days + 1 day / move is quite different from classical 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves, the pressure in the 8 games may be important, also the psychological factor [playing White feels more (sometimes too much) secure ie(?): Xavier won his 2 games with Black in the first Candidates final] and I'm convinced that every game counts these ways. The tie break rule (highest rating is qualified in case of eight draws) did not apply so often by the way.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-07-30 13:01:18)
Databases
Benjamin, I think Andrew meant to share FICGS games in known correspondence chess databases (not programs).
That's a good idea but it's probably a question of time only, or I may ask the owners... why not.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-01 04:19:01)
Rybka 3 encrypted
It seems that Rybka 3 would be actually even stronger that the commercial version of Rybka 3, Rybka team (V. Rajlich, L. Kaufman) explains that the compiled code was encrypted, as a consequence the engine would lose about 60 ELO points in that process.
A smart move by Vasik Rajlich to prevent his engine to be cracked by using simple decompiling tools. (ICE may help the most motivated though)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=5184
Michael Aigner (2008-08-02 17:13:22)
The future of chess
A game between two unlimited intellect would proceed as follows.
They sit down at the chess-board,draw the colors,and then survey the
pieces for a moment.Then either
(1)A says I resign or
(2)B says I resign or
(3)A says I offer a draw,and B replies,I accept.
(C.E.Shannon)
Don Groves (2008-08-02 23:45:46)
The future of chess...
Claude Shannon, who died in 2001, is known as the father of information theory and also wrote the first paper on computer chess in 1950. If anyone was qualified to make such a statement, it was him.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-03 18:56:16)
Round Robin qualification
Hi Andrew, that's right : Marc did not play round 1 & 2 in the WCH 02. As far as I can remember, Marc couldn't play round 2 in WCH 1 (he won Group 20) and due to his rating at this time - I don't remember if he entered a waiting list for replacements - I've included him in this tournament. Such a case will probably happen again if necessary.
Marc Lacrosse (2008-08-03 20:34:52)
No extra qualification required!
Hi all
To Andrew : I really did not ask for this invitation: i am already unable to face all tournaments for which I qualified.
- I just won WCH-04-group M01
- At the same time I just began to play my quarter-final match in Wch-05
- and if I am not wrong I am not far from winning WCH-03-stage2-group02 (possibly ex aequo with you)...
... so really I do not need to get extra qualifying opportunities !
Marc
PS If I remember correctly you had some critical comments on my recent opening choices. It seems that they did not work too miserably so far.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-08 13:19:10)
MoGo wins ! (estimated 2 dans)
I just read it in the American Go E-Journal, MoGo computer program defeated Myungwan Kim 8P by 1.5 points in a 9-stone game billed as “Humanity’s Last Stand?”
The professional player estimated MoGo’s current strength at “two or maybe three dan”, “made some 5-dan moves” (the program used 800 processors, at 4.7 Ghz, 15 Teraflops on a borrowed European supercomputer)
Strangely, Kim easily won two blitz games with 9 stones and 11 stones and lost one with 12 stones and 15 minutes by 3.5 points before this one hour game.
http://senseis.xmp.net/?MoGo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Go
Don Groves (2008-08-10 00:32:11)
Komi
Yes, Andrew, the second player is compensated with some number of stones, usually between 5.5 and 7.5 (ties are eliminated). This is called komi. I don't know what the komi was in the MoGo match.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-10 07:45:29)
Mogo
So mogo gets to put down 9 stones to start with but I dont know whether he moved first or second - it sounds like he moved first and there was no Komi. Anyway its a big handicap but the breakthrough appears to be that the win was achieved on a 19x19 board in a "long" game (1 hour) Kim didnt use so much of his time but said more time spent would not have made any difference prononcing Mogo invincible at 9 stones and very difficult with 8 stones. The programmers were excited because they said 1 year ago they needed 18 stones now 9 and maybe a year to lose the other 9! If they can maintain this rate of improvement then they are suggesting that in a few years mogo could be the strongest go player in the world. Interestingly there is a reversal here with chess: programs being stronger against humans the shorter the game (ie blitz) but Mogo did better with more time! I guess this is about the time Mogo needs to assess the long term consequences of each move.
Normajean Yates (2008-08-11 09:33:10)
or maybe the question is not clear to me
Exactly what do you mean, Phil and others - getting a game annotated?
Specially since this is primarily a computer-chess site so of course you dont want engine annotation. You want the sort of human annotation that engines cannot do, right?
Philip Roe (2008-08-11 16:25:09)
Pie in the Sky
Getting free annotations from a strong player seems a bit much to expect.
If you belong to the Internet Chess Club, and type help Services, you get a list of people willing to teach lessons or annotate games. They all charge by the hour, depending on their strength and economic situation. An IM from a third world country charges about $20 per hour. I doubt that you can do better.
Normajean Yates (2008-08-12 01:44:10)
a french one - apt for chess/bigchess/go
c'est plus qu'un crime, c'est une faute!
Phil Cook (2008-08-12 07:34:16)
Morales Vs Cook
[Event "Single game, E4EC"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/"]
[Date "2008.04.22"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Morales, Rafael (rafafallo)"]
[Black "Cook, Phil (Kiwi)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1078"]
[BlackElo "1170"]
[TimeControl "10/30"]
1. d4 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 } d5
2. Nc3 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not
commonly played } e6 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5
2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played} 3. a3 {3.blocking ..Bb4} h6 4. e4 a6
5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 {3. ....... h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 attemps
white into another exchange} 7. Bg2 {7.Bg2 defends } Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9.
c4 Be7 10. d5 {7. Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 (white here,trying
to open the middle up) so black attacks} cxd5 11. cxd5 O-O 12. dxe6 {12.dxe6,,(black
gives up a pawn or does he)} Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6 {12. dxe6
Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6(wins the pawn back,has white in disarray
here)} 15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 {15. Nf3
Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 (note whites black bishop)}
Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ {19. Bxf3 Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5
Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3(white lost contol and game from here,yet plods on)} 23.
Kxf3 Rxd2 {22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ 23. Kxf3 Rxd(loss of bishop)} 24. Rc6 Rd3+ 25.
Ke4 Rbd8 26. Rxe6 Rd3d6 27. Rxd6 Rxd6 28. Rc1 Rd4+ 29. Kf5 Rxb4 30. Kg6
Rg4+ 31. Kf5 Rc4 32. Rd1 Rc5+ 33. Ke4 b4 34. Rb1 Rb5 35. Rb3 Bc3 36. f4
Rxa5 37. f5 Ra3 0-1
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-12 08:54:10)
Latvian
I dont think black has anything better than 8...fxe maybe 9...d5 is better. But Whites 8 Nc3 seems a very good strong simple move. Its strange that it has not been analysed because the position has been looked at by Nunn and Watson - but that was in the pre Rybka era. Now 3...Nc6 looks too risky at cc.
So 3 Nxe5 Qf6 is the best chance. Game 18479 (ongoing) is perhaps the most that black can hope for - for some people not much fun but for latvian fans survival is a triumph!
Normajean Yates (2008-08-13 03:43:54)
Thanks, Andrew!
Thanks that is for ALL your posts here on that latvian fraser line :) and specially the last one. So my opp narrowly missed immortality in the subfootnotes of chess history ;)
Normajean Yates (2008-08-13 03:57:26)
still eiffel tower picprob with re-login
I logged out and logged in - this time the backgound is that faded orangeish one - but the eiffel tower picture is still screwed up just like before...
Normajean Yates (2008-08-13 04:03:30)
IT IS OKAY NOW!
It is ok now. I tried several logins and the eiffel tower pic is fine again everytime. So, it had nothing to do with RANDOM :)
Don Groves (2008-08-13 05:32:01)
Random?
Thibault -- It's hard enough with everything the same each time I log on!
On the other hand, maybe a few random moves would improve my game ;-)
Normajean Yates (2008-08-13 13:08:12)
the faded red is not agressive enough..
but the other crimsonish red is agressive. I am psychiatrically advised to avoid crimson-red bedsheets etc - so if crimsonish-red comes I'll logout and login again... I had in fact put it there first but it disturbed me --- the blood responses on my Rorschach tests have been huge in number always - even one blood-response on Rorschach is supposed to be 'abnormal'. ;)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-13 19:51:51)
Very cool
I joined the random design club - its awesome as they say in Hollywood. I like the chess player images in the wall paper.
Sebastian Boehme (2008-08-14 17:36:41)
I think c,)
Hi,
it is interesting that c.) appears as a possibility, because Thibault is a strong Go player himself.
Now I wonder was maybe his original idea to only make this a Go server?
I thus vote for c.)
Regards,
Sebastian
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-14 18:56:37)
:o)
Thank you... Maybe we'll know about poker in a while :) I feel my Go rating is over estimated though, my first Go games here prove that I really started from zero... anyway, always learning, as a webmaster also :)
Normajean Yates (2008-08-15 10:02:29)
last on latvian fraser..
um - actually I found that I *had* found Perez-Cruz v Decosta, as well as another another: Ritter Aguillar v Asensio Lisan - starting 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 f5 3 Nxe5 Nc6 4 Qh5+ g6 5 Nxg6 Nf6 6 Qh3 hxg6 7 Qxh8 Qe7 8 Nc3!. But both went 1-0, and I had failed to find one that *didn't* go 1-0. By the time I posted it here I forgot what it was that I had failed to find... sorry
Anyway I am glad I posted the queation because I did not know the Nunn refutation. Thanks again, Andrew!
Phil Cook (2008-08-16 10:54:51)
(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation)
Morales Vs Cook
[Event "Single game, E4EC"] [Date "2008.04.22"] [Round "-"] [White "Morales, Rafael (rafafallo)"] [Black "Cook, Phil (Kiwi)"] [Result "0-1"] [WhiteElo "1078"] [BlackElo "1170"] [TimeControl "10/30"] 1. d4 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 } d5 2. Nc3 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played } e6 {(D 00 Queeens Pawn,Chigorin varation) 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 e6..not commonly played} 3. a3 {3.blocking ..Bb4} h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 {3. ....... h6 4. e4 a6 5. g3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nf6 attemps white into another exchange} 7. Bg2 {7.Bg2 defends } Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 {7. Nxe4 8. Bxe4 c6 9. c4 Be7 10. d5 (white here,trying to open the middle up) so black attacks} cxd5 11. cxd5 O-O 12. dxe6 {12.dxe6,,(black gives up a pawn or does he)} Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6 {12. dxe6 Qxd1+ 13. Kxd1 Rd8+ 14. Bd2 fxe6(wins the pawn back,has white in disarray here)} 15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 {15. Nf3 Bf6 16. Rb1 Nd7 17. b4 Ne5 18. Ke2 Nxf3 19. Bxf3 (note whites black bishop)} Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ {19. Bxf3 Rb8 20. a4 b5 21. a5 Bb7 22. Rbc1 Bxf3(white lost contol and game from here,yet plods on)} 23. Kxf3 Rxd2 {22. Rbc1 Bxf3+ 23. Kxf3 Rxd(loss of bishop)} 24. Rc6 Rd3+ 25. Ke4 Rbd8 26. Rxe6 Rd3d6 27. Rxd6 Rxd6 28. Rc1 Rd4+ 29. Kf5 Rxb4 30. Kg6 Rg4+ 31. Kf5 Rc4 32. Rd1 Rc5+ 33. Ke4 b4 34. Rb1 Rb5 35. Rb3 Bc3 36. f4 Rxa5 37. f5 Ra3 0-1
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-16 12:29:32)
Questions to Xavier Pichelin
Xavier Pichelin is 1st FICGS chess champion after beating IM Gino Figlio in the first candidates final, he accepted to talk about his match, the tournament, his views around correspondence chess, chess engines and so on... The most important part may be he'll defend his title against the winner of the 2nd candidates final :)
Unfortunately, the complete interview is in french only as he doesn't speak english, but if someone finds a good translator (if possible better than Babelfish), he may post it in this thread. Thanks !
- Bonjour Xavier et tout d'abord félicitations pour ta victoire dans le match
qui t'opposait au MI (ICCF) Gino Figlio [Pérou] dans la finale des candidats. Tu
devais éviter à tout prix la nulle dans toutes les parties, finalement les noirs
t'ont porté chance, comment expliques-tu ce résultat ?
Xavier : Bonjour, merci pour les félicitations.
C'est vrai qu'en cas de nulles pour toutes les parties, le règlement indique Figlio Vainqueur en cas d'égalité avec victoire(s) et défaite(s) je remporte le match. Donc il fallait que je prenne des risques en attaquant et c'est avec les noirs que je l'ai fait car je pensais que Gino, dans ces parties, attendrait sans prendre de risques pour assurer les nulles.
- Peux-tu nous décrire la manière dont tu as abordé ce match contre Gino et
son déroulement au fur et à mesure des différentes phases du jeu ?
X : C'est assez simple, dans ce match je n'étais pas du tout favori car
avec plus de 200 points ELO FICGS en ma défaveur, et Gino titré Maître
International avec plus de 2480 point ELO ICCF, je pensais que je n'allais pas
résister sur 8 parties simultanées car sur une partie tout est possible mais
sur 8 parties... c'était pour moi un grand défi !
Pour le déroulement du jeu j'ai joué la diversité sur mes débuts avec les blancs
4 parties 4 coups différents : 1.e4 1.d4 1.c4 1.Cf3.
Gino a fait de même : 1.e4 1.d4 1.Cf3 1.Cc3.
Ce qui m'a fait douter aussi car 1.Cc3 m'a surpris, je pensais qu'il avait prévu
un début tonitruand et c'est là que je me suis dit qu'il fallait que je prenne
des risques avec les noirs. Au fur et à mesure des différentes phases du jeu
j'ai assuré les nulles des positions équilibrées pour me concacrer a deux
parties avantageuses dont une avec les blancs et une avec les noirs pour au
moins faire la différence dans une partie pour assurer la victoire.
Et en fin de compte c'est 3 victoires qui me reviennent, ce qui me paraissait
impossible étant donnée la qualité du jeu de Gino joué sur ce site pour arriver
à la finale des candidats du championnat.
- Tu as réalisé pendant le championnat un parcours sans faute, aucune
défaite à signaler, tu affiches également des statistiques stratosphériques à
78% contre une moyenne elo à près de 2200, quel est ton secret ?
X : Mon secret? Je n'ai pas de secret. Si j'avais un secret je ne le
dévoilerais pas sinon je ne gagnerais plus ! Je pense que j'ai eu un petit peu
de chance car il s'en est fallu de peu que je ne sois pas qualifié au stage 3
(robin-round final) car il y avait 3 joueurs à égalité et j'ai eu l'avantage du
classement du départ de ce tournoi comme l'indique le règlement. Quant à mes
statistiques, c'est aussi grâce aux erreurs de mes adversaires qui m'ont permis
de gagner des parties équilibrées.
- Que penses-tu du système mi-ko, mi-toutes-rondes du championnat FICGS et
de ses départages inédits lors des matchs en 8 parties ? Quelles modifications y
apporterais-tu ?
X : Très bonne question !
Le système mi-ko pour moi est un peu trop rapide car un coup par jour c'est des
heures d'analyses pour exploiter une position compliquée, ce qui est difficile
quand on à plusieurs parties en cours. Surtout quand on travaille.
C'est peut-être aussi grâce à cette cadence que mes adversaires, faute de temps,
ont fait des imprécisions sur certaines postions ou exploité mes erreurs.
Mais cette cadence a un avantage par rapport aux cadences ICCF qui est de 5
jours par coup, c'est que les parties durent 5 fois moins longtemps !
Le départage inédit des matchs en 8 parties est excellent, obliger le favori à
assurer tous les matchs nulles pour gagner ce duel et sinon
d'obtenir une victoire supplémentaire contre le challenger est un mode très bien
pensé. La modification que je pourrais y apporter est peut-être la gestion du
temps qui est rapide pour un système de jeu par serveur.
Peut-être augmenter l'horloge de départ de 15 jours, soit de commencer avec 45
jours contre 30 en ce moment. Et aussi la possibilité des prendre des vacances
uniquement sur le tournoi en cours afin de gérer les autres parties du site.
Par exemple prendre 7 jours de vacances sur un tournoi d'échecs du championnat
et pouvoir jouer un tournoi de Big Chess, de Go ou un autre tournoi
d'échecs pendant ces vacances. Pouvoir choisir une date de début de vacances à
l'avance serait également appréciable.
- Pourquoi t'être investi dans les échecs par correspondance ?
T'apportent-ils d'autres satisfactions par rapport aux échecs classiques et au
blitz ?
X : Je préfère les échecs par correspondance par rapport au temps.
Car les échecs classiques se jouent souvent le week-end, à une heure précise et
souvent en déplacement pour effectuer un tournoi.
L'avantage, pour moi, des échecs par correspondance est que je puisse me
connecter à n'importe quelle heure pour jouer mes coups, ce qui me
permet, par exemple, de faire des repas de famille le week-end et le soir tard
de jouer un coup, ce qui n'est pas possible aux échecs classiques.
- Tu as su ne pas céder à la tentation et te limiter à jouer un nombre très
raisonnable de parties sur le site tout le long du championnat, penses-tu
néanmoins que les échecs par correspondance soient addictifs et à quel point ?
Ont-ils des répercussions sur ta vie de tous les jours ?
X : Oui ! Limiter mon nombre de parties en cours est pour moi essentiel pour
essayer d'avoir des parties de qualité plutôt que de quantité.
Avoir beaucoup de parties en simultanée est quand même une chose très difficile
à gérer !
C'est peut-être la clé de ma victoire contre Figlio, j'ai regardé ses parties en
cours, il en avait pas loin de 90 sur le site de l'ICCF, cela a pu se ressentir
sur son temps d'analyse consacré à nos 8 parties sur FICGS.
Sur la vie de tous les jours les répercussions sont familiales car il est vrai
que je passe plus de temps à analyser les parties et moins temps avec ma
famille, ce qui est assez difficile pour moi.
Mais quand les résultats sont là je ne regrette pas !
- Que penses-tu de la place actuelle des moteurs d'analyse (Rybka, Shredder, Fritz et autres) dans les échecs par correspondance ? Quelles sont pour toi les
qualités complémentaires essentielles du joueur par correspondance, devenu
centaure avec la machine pour jambes ?
X : Les moteurs d'analyses dans les échecs par correspondances sont utilisés par
95% des joueurs...
Maintenant il faut s'adapter et savoir utiliser ces machines à calculer.
Car jouer simplement le meilleur coup de Rybka 3, de Fritz 12 ou Hiarcs 12 sans
réfléchir mentalement mène à la nulle si l'adversaire fait de même ou
possiblement à perdre si l'adversaire se donne la peine de réfléchir en les
utilisant également.
En sachant que lorsqu'on est dans le milieu de partie ces logiciels vous donnent
souvent 4 à 5 coups evalués de manière semblable, et c'est là qu'il faut choisir
le bon coup alors que celui-ci n'est même pas forcément cité par le moteur
d'analyse...
- Tu joues désormais au Big Chess sur le site, curiosité ou intérêt ? Que
penses-tu de cette version étrange des échecs ?
X : Par curiosité et par amusement et je pense que Rybka 3 ne joue pas encore au
Big Chess !
Cette version est quasiment inédite je ne connaissais pas cette forme de jeu
d'échecs auparavant donc celui qui a inventé ce jeu a très bien fait !
A propos c'est moi qui vous pose une question sur le Big chess... Y a t-il
possiblité de roquer avec ce jeu si oui comment? (NDLR : Non, il est impossible
de roquer au Big Chess)
- Et enfin la question que tout le monde se pose, particulièrement François et
Wolfgang qui disputent la deuxième finale des candidats, penses-tu pouvoir
défendre ton titre l'an prochain ? :)
X : Bien sûr ! Je défendrai le titre ! J'aimerais si possible savoir la date et
la cadence du match. Et je souhaite à François et Wolfgang une belle finale !
Je dois faire honneur à cette compétition qui est bien organisée !
- Le match devrait pouvoir débuter durant la première semaine de janvier 2009, la cadence sera à nouveau de 30 jours et 1 jour supplémentaire par coup.
Merci pour tes réponses, et encore bravo pour cette belle performance !
X : Merci ! Et à bientôt ! Bonne continuation à tous et bonnes parties !
Benjamin Block (2008-08-18 08:52:18)
Try to translate!
I think it is something like that?
Hello Xavier and first congratulations on your victory in the match which t'opposait the MI (ICCF) Gino Figlio [Peru] in the final candidates. You should avoid at all costs void in all parties, finally brought blacks t'ont chance, how do you explain this result?
X
avier: Hello, thank you for the congratulations. It is true that in case of zero for all parties, the regulation states Figlio winner in the event of a tie with victory (s) and defeat (s) I won the match. So I had to take risks in attacking and it is with blacks that I did it because I thought Gino, in these parts, expected without taking risks to ensure the void.
-- Can you tell us about how you approached this match against Gino and his conduct as different phases of the game?
X: It's pretty simple, in this match I was not at all favorite because with more than 200 ELO points FICGS to my disadvantage, and Gino titled Master International, with more than 2480 ELO ICCF point, I thought I n ' not resist going on 8 simultaneous games as a part everything is possible but on 8 parts ... it was for me a great challenge! In the course of the game I played diversity in my beginnings with white 4 parts 4 different strokes: 1.e4 1.d4 1.c4 1.Cf3. Gino did the same: 1.e4 1.d4 1.Cf3 1.Cc3. What made me doubt also because 1.Cc3 surprised me, I thought he had planned an early tonitruand and this is where I said that I should take risks with blacks. As the different phases of the game I assured the zero positions balanced for me concacrer deal has two parts, one with blanks and one with the black for at least make a difference in part to ensure victory. And ultimately it 3 victories me back, which seemed impossible given the quality of the game Gino played on this site to reach the final of the championship candidates.
-- You have made during a championship course without fault, no losses to report, you also posters statistics stratospheric to 78% against an average elo to about 2200, what's your secret?
X: My secret? I have no secret. If I had a secret I do not dévoilerais if I do win more! I think I got a little lucky because he is required by little I am not qualified to stage 3 (round-robin final) because there were 3 players equally and I had l 'advantage classifying the departure of this tournament as indicated by the regulation. As for my statistics, it is also thanks to the errors of my opponents who allowed me to win parts in balance.
-- What do you think the system mid-ko, semi-all-round championship FICGS and its new départages in matches in 8 parties? What changes would it be?
X: Very good question! The system mid-ko for me is a little too fast since a coup by day is overtime analyses to operate a complicated position, which is difficult when several parties in progress. Especially when you work. It is perhaps also through this pace that my opponents lack of time, made some uncertainty regarding postions or exploited my mistakes. But the pace has an advantage over the cadences ICCF which is 5 days a coup is that the parties had to 5 times less time! The départage new games to 8 parts is excellent, forcing the favorite to ensure all matches to nil win this duel and otherwise obtain an additional victory against the challenger is a very well thought out. The amendment that I could make is perhaps time management which is fast for a game system per server. Perhaps increase the clock starting 15 days, starting with 45 against 30 days at this time. And also the possibility of taking a vacation only on the tournament underway to manage other parts of the site. For example, take 7 days vacation on a chess tournament championship and be able to play a tournament Big Chess, Go or another chess tournament during the holidays. Being able to choose a start date of holidays in advance would also be appreciated.
-- Why t'être invested in correspondence chess? T'apportent there are other rewards compared to traditional chess and blitz?
X: I prefer chess match over time. For the classical chess is often play the weekend at a specific time and often on the move to make a tournament. The advantage for me, correspondence chess is that I can connect at any time to play my shots, which allows me, for example, making family meals on weekends and late at night to play a coup, which is not possible chess classics.
-- You knew not to succumb to the temptation and you only play a very reasonable number of parties on the site throughout the championship, do you think nevertheless that the correspondence chess are addictive and at what point? Did they affect your everyday life?
X: Yes! Limiting my number of games in progress is essential for me to try to have parts of quality rather than quantity. Have a lot of parts simultaneously is still something very difficult to manage! This is perhaps the key to my victory against Figlio, I watched its games in progress, it had nearly 90 on the site of the ICCF, it has been felt on his time devoted to analysis our parties on FICGS 8. On the everyday life impacts are family because it is true that I spend more time to analyze the parts and less time with my family, which is quite difficult for me. But when the results are there I do not regret!
-- What do you think about the current position of engines for analysis (Rybka, Shredder, Fritz and others) in correspondence chess? What are the qualities you complementary core player by correspondence, now centaur with the machine for legs?
X: The engines of analyses in chess matches are used by 95% of players ... Now we must adapt and learn to use these machines to calculate. Car simply play the best shot of Rybka 3, Fritz 12 or Hiarcs 12 mentally without thinking leads to zero if the opponent does the same or possibly lose if the opponent gives himself the trouble to consider using them as well. Knowing that when you're in the middle part of these programs give you often 4 to 5 strokes assessed similarly, and that is that we must choose the right time when it is not even necessarily cited by the analysis engine ...
-- You get the Big Chess now on the site, curiosity or interest? What do you think of this strange version of chess?
X: For curiosity and fun and I think Rybka 3 is not yet the Big Chess! This version is almost unprecedented I did not know this form of chess before therefore the one who invented this game was very well done! About I'm the one who asks you a question on the Big chess ... Is there possibility of castle with this game if so, how? (Editor's note: No, it is impossible to castle the Big Chess)
-- And finally the question that everyone arises, especially Francis and Wolfgang disputing that the second final candidates, think you can defend your title next year? :)
X: of course! I will defend the title! I would like if possible to know the timing and pace of the match. And I wish Francis and Wolfgang a beautiful final! I must honor in this competition which is well organized!
-- The match should be able to start during the first week of January 2009, the pace will again 30 days and 1 additional day by coup. Thank you for your answers, and even congratulations for this excellent performance!
X: Thank you! And see you! Bonne continuation to all and good parties!
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-18 16:06:16)
translation
I will have a go off the top of my head at giving a sense of the interview in english (I dont know the phrase tonitruand but I am guessing it means dynamic!)?:
Hi Xavier and first of all congratulations on your success in the candidates final match against IM (ICCF) Gino Figlio [Peru]
You had to avoid drawing all the games and finally you succeded with the black pieces. How did that happen?
Xavier: Hi thank you. Its true that if all the games had been drawn then under the rules Figlio would have won whereas if the match was drawn but with a win and loss I would win. Because of this I had to take risks and attack. It was with Black that I did this because I thought that Gino would play safely to be sure of a draw.
- Tell us how you approched the match and how the different phases of the game went
x: Its quite simple, I was not the favorite I have 200 ELO less on FICGS and Gino is an IM on ICCF with a 2480 rating. I did not think I could survive 8 games at once - in a single game anything is possible but 8 games .... it was a big challenge for me! In the openings I chose 4 different moves 1 e4 1 d4 1 c4 1 Nf3 Gino chose 1 e4 1 d4 1 c4 1 Nc3 I was surpised by 1 Nc3 because I was expecting dynamic openings and it was then that I decided I must take some risks with black. I kept most of the games balanced with a draw in hand and concentrated on 2 games 1 white and 1 black to get a result. In the end I got 3 wins which seemed an impossibility given the quality of the games Gino had played on this site to reach the final.
- you have not lost any games in the championship and you have fantastic statistics 78% against an average elo of about 2200. What is your secret?
x: My secret? I havent any secret and if I did I would not say because I would not win anymore! I think I have been a bit lucky because in the the Round Robin final there were 3 of us on the same score and I went through under the rules because of my rating. As for my statistics I was helped by mistakes by opponents who allowed me to win some drawn games.
- What do you think of the system for the FICGS championship (round robin and knock out matches)and what changes would you make?
x: Very good question. The matches are a bit too fast for me - 1 day per move when there are hours of analysis needed to exploit a complicated position its difficult when you have several games running Particularly if you are working. Perhaps that is why my opponents have made errors or failed to exploit my mistakes.
But this time limit has an advantage over ICCF where it is 5 days per move the games here are 5 times quicker! Having 8 game matches is an excellent idea and obliging the favorite to draw all the games and the challenger to get a at least 1 victory is very well thought out. The change that I would suggest is to have 15 days extra starting time that is 45 days at the start instead of 30 and also the possibilty to take holidays for tournaments for example take 7 days for championship games and to be able to play big chess go or another chess tournament during the holiday. To be able to choose the start of a holiday in advance would also be good.
- Why do you like cc and how does it compare to blitz and normal chess?
x: I prefer cc because of the time factor. Classical chess is often played at the week end at a fixed time and you have to travel to the tournament. The advantage for me at cc is that I can connect at any time to play a move which allows me for example to have meals with the family at the weekend. Late night moves for example are not possible at classical chess.
- You limited the number of your games on the site to a reasonable amount throughout the championship. Do you think nonetheless that cc is addictive? Does it affect your daily life?
x: Yes! Limiting the number of my games is essential to try to have games of quality not quantity. Having a lot of games going at the same time is something very difficult to handle. It is perhaps the key to my victory against Figlio - I looked at his games - he had not less than 80 games going on at ICCF this must have affected the amount of time he could spend analysing his 8 games at FICGS. The effects on daily life are felt by the family because the reality is if I spend more time analysing the games I spend less time with the family. Thats difficult for me. But when the results come I dont regret it!
- What do you think of the role of chess engines (Rybka Fritz etc)in cc. What are for you the important skills of a cc player - to supplement the machine?
x: Chess engines are used in cc by 95% of players. You have to adapt yourself and know how to use the engines. To play just the best move of Rybka 3 Fritz 12 or Hiracs 12 without thinking leads to a draw if your opponent does the same or to a loss if your opponent is thinking. You have to choose bewteen 4 or 5 moves with a similer evaluation from the engine during a game and sometimes the best move is not among these.
- You play Big chess. Interest or curiosity? What do you think of this strange version of chess?
X : Curiosity and amusement and I think Rrybka 3 cannot yet play Big Chess! This version is new and I did not know it and the inventor has done a good job! By the way I would like to ask is it possible to castle at Big Chess?
[No its not possible]
- Finally the question that everyone is asking particularly Francois and Wolfgang who are contesting the 2nd candidates final. Do think you will be able to defend your title next year? :)
x: Definitely I will defend the title I would like to know if possible the date and time limits for the match. I wish Francois and Wolfgang a great match! I would also like to express my appreciation for this tournament which has been well organised!
- the match should start in the first week in January next year the time limit will be 30 days plus 1 day per move. Thank you for your answers and once again congratulations on a great performance.
x: Thank you. Cheers. Best wishes to everyone and good games!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-18 22:48:39)
Game 18078
The round robin final (in the 3rd cycle) must start... time to adjudicate this nice game (Stephenson vs. Helmer), but we may discuss it as rules allow it.
At a first sight, the game looks like a draw, does anyone have another theory ?
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-19 02:16:39)
Its a win !!!!
You must be joking!! Thibault its a definite win it will be over in a few moves!!
If anyone thinks black can survive please suggest some moves. The key to the win is that the best black can do is reach the position in a) below with Bishop and 2 pawns v R and 1 pawn. White wins becuse his king has access to e4, the Bishop is restricted by his pawns on a7 and e5 and most importantly his passed a pawn is not advanced.
It has been completely lost since move 63 ...Kxf4 Janos should have taken with the pawn 63..exf4 would have allowed him to reach a table base draw. On 66 Kd3 I had the win completely worked out and have been replying instantly since then. Adjudicating this is a draw is just plain wrong. Anyone who spends time on this position will see the win I have outlined and that there is no defence. The winning method is to force an exchange of rooks by Rc4-g4 with mating threats against the Black king - black cannot allow this and must play Rd4 allowing exchange of a pair rooks when the resulting R+P v B+P+P is won. Before playing Rc4 white checks with the other rook to cut off the f file. The only way to avoid the rook exchange is to allow the white King access to e4 - at the moment the black rook cuts off d3 and the bishop if it goes to b6 will cut off e3. If the king gets to e4 either the e5 pawn drops or the king gets to d5 and e6 either result is fatal
Here are the main lines:
a) 72..Bb6 73 Rg8+ Kf5 (73..Kh5 74 Rc1 Rd4 75 Rh1+ wins the rook) 74 Rf8+ Kg5 75 Rc4! Rd4 (see below a1 for 75..Bd4)76 Rxd4! exd4 77 Kd3 (This ending is completely won the white king penetrates through e4, the black bishop is useless - remove pawn at d4 and its a table base win) Here are the main lines 77... Bc5 78 Rc8 Bb6 79 Ke4 Kf6 80 f4 Kf7 81 f5 Kf6 82 Rc2 Kf7 83 Ke5 a5 84 Rc6 Bd8 85 Bc7+ Kxd4 Table base win Or 77 ...Kg6 78 Ke4 Kg7 79 Rc8 Kf6 80 f4 (if the pawn on d4 falls eg 80 ..Ba5 81 Kxd4 its a table base win) Ke7 81 f5 Kf6 82 Rc2 Ke7 (82 ..d3 83 Rc6+ Kg5 84 Rg6+ and Kxd3 = TB win) 83 Ke5 Kf7 84 Rb2 d3 85 f6 with a simple win
a1)..75..Bd4 (instead of Rd4) 76 Kd3 Ba1+ 77 Ke4 Ra5 78 Rg8+ Kf6 79 Rc6+ Kf7 80 Rgc8 Ra4+ 81 Rc4 Rxc4+ (black cannot avoid exchanging) 82 Rxc4+ and this ending like the one above is completely won. eg 82... Ke6 (82...a5 83 Rc5 a4 84 Ra5 x a4 = TB win) 83 Rc6+ Kd7 84 Kd5 Bd4 85 Rh6 a5 (any Bishop moves loses a pawn = TB win) 86 Rh7+ Kd8 87 f4 x e5 = TB win
b) If the Bishop does not go to b6 the white king gets via e3 to e4 and then penetrates through the white squares d5 and e6 and its over. Sample lines:
b1) 72 ..Kf4/f5 73 Rf8+ Kg6 74 Ke3 Rd1 75 Ke4 Re1+ 76 Kd5 Be7 77 Re8 Bf6 78 Ke6 e4 79 Rc5+ and the bishop is lost
b2) 72..Ba5 73 Ke3 Rb5 74 Rg8+ Kf5 75 Rf8+ Kg5 76 Ke4 Rb4+ 77 Kxe5 with a simple win
b3)72 ..Rd7 73 Rxe5+ (take a pair of rooks off = TB win) Kf4 74 Rcc5 Rg7 75 Re4+ Kg3 76 Rc1 Bb6 77 Rh1 a5 78 Rhh4 - Reg4+ exchanges rooks = TB win
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-19 05:44:37)
Game 18078
Hi Andrew, I must say I did not analyzed the game at all yet, I just looked at the position and trusted your previous post to Marc in the forum ('good news for you, Marc'). I'll take some time to do it soon.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-19 17:17:59)
Adjudications
Hi Benjamin I am not sure what you mean by help people without asking.
The rules refer to adjudications as follows:
"11. 5. Adjudications
In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious."
At the end of 11.5 is states: "There are no time limit for games else but the clocks, but it may be announced that certain multi-stages tournaments will have one. At the end of this time limit, a referee committee will adjudicate games."
Obviously it was bit worrying without warning to have an announcement saying hey seems like a draw I am going to adjudicate. A draw would mean that I would not win the tournament - a win means I win the tournament so its an important game.
But as I am certain the game is won and can demonstrate this I am not concerned - I have no idea what Janos thinks. I dont think this is the best way to handle this but this is where we are - I am just glad it happened after Janos played 63...Kxf4 which was the losing move. We are only about 12 moves away from 6 man table base wins in almost all cases. Please post any anlysis about the position you would like as Thibault has asked for comment
Normajean Yates (2008-08-21 05:16:52)
O-O is output standard for pgn, but..
o-o is allowed as input. [again it depends on which version of the pgn standard we are talking about.] Also re Arena: it is just like: most C++ compilers for PCs do not implement the full C++ [or implement it wrong - Arena is a program; compilers are programs; programs have bugs aka features ;)] .
Normajean Yates (2008-08-21 05:25:54)
it is! llmars is on the vive-greco team
So the greco countergambit [latvian gambit] is alive, and as long as llmars is there it will stay alive:)
I am not so courageous - I play it only in no-engines chess :) [although engines cannot help much in the opening - this being a *real* gambit - can they?]
No, actually I *am* courageous! In the ongoing chess tournament I am playing here I did play the greco [latvian] against Taoufik - it is a pity that Taufik decided to forfeit all his games on time [incl. mine on move 5 :(] ...
Normajean Yates (2008-08-21 11:15:31)
that is quite convincing!
Marc Lacrosse - thanks for quoting that ... though a good algorithm shouldnt have trouble but with heavily nested variations, many of then terminating 0-1 .. it would complicate algorithms. Programmers' time is expensive ...
I am convinced now that allowing O-O and O-O-O is a good decision - then yacc and lex can do most of the parsing etc.
[btw it should be simple to write a program to convert simple algebaraic (by simple I mean nested variations are treated as comments and left untouched) to simple descriptive and vice versa, in the formal case without redundancy in descriptive output. [again lex-yacc (or whatever latest tools have superceded them) can do most of the work]. So it is surprising I couldn't find any such free open-source utility on the internet -- (and I am too lazy now to write simplest code any more - written more than enough for a lifetime ;) )
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-08-21 13:05:12)
sorry, Normajean...
I am in team "Dead LG, good LG". :D
I entered into that thematic only to found someone who will draw with black (in long time control).
For fun too, of course. :)
Gino Figlio (2008-08-22 06:19:53)
Congratulations Xavier
I did not have a chance to properly congratulate Xavier after losing a match against him.
While it's true the number of ongoing games affects performance in correspondence chess, in our case this was not a factor.
Xavier played better and did not give me a chance to find significant advantage in any of our games.
He simply outplayed me.
Long live the Champion!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-22 17:50:17)
Team challenge : Latvian gambit
Based upon an idea by Ilmars, let's try to create a special Latvian thematic tournament that could start at the beginning of september, consisting in two teams : Latvian gambit "defenders" and latvian gambit "refuters" (that will play either Black or White), this could be interesting to improve the theory in this opening.
Any player who wishes to play this tournament may post in this thread "I am in as White (or Black)" and I'll make pairings in a few days/weeks.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-05-29 21:41:37)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Looks like the tournament finished a few days ago... one recognize "Zor" as winner (again), but the crosstable shown seems to be a small part of it!?
http://infinitychess.com/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=322
Michael Aigner (2008-08-22 18:11:08)
Interesting idea :-)
I played the Lavtian Gambit in OTB chess when I was young, therefore I would like to play on the side of the defenders.
Whats about time control - are we going to have 40 days for 10 moves?
Best regards!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-22 18:57:32)
Time control
Of course, games will be unrated, time control would be 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves.
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-08-22 18:59:56)
WikiChess
I'm tired. Imho I completed to input almost all my "theory" of Poisoned Pawn Variation.
Imho, after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.d4 Qxg2 6.Qh5+ g6 7.Bf7+ Kd8 8.Bxg6 Qxh1+ 9.Ke2 both black moves - 9.-- Qxc1 and 9.-- c6 are lost for black.
Corrections and improvements are welcomed! :)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-22 20:18:54)
Round Robin qualification
"Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players. The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage."
Thibault these are the rules upon which I entered the tournament WCC 3. I have spent an enourmous amount of time sweating blood to beat Janos Helmer so that I won my stage 2 group and qualified for the Round Robin Final now this tournament has started you have 1)placed 6 persons in the tournament which breaches the rules 2) You have placed Miranda Marcus in the tournament even though she did not win stage 2 group but tied on 4 out of 6 and had a lower TER. If I had known you were going to arbitrarily change the rules like this I would have agreed a draw with Janos a long time ago and Marc Lacrosse and I could have both gone through. We have 5 winners and I request you to comply with the WCC rules for this tournament and place the 4 stage 2 winners and and 1 stage 1 group M winner in the Round Robin final. I will wait for your decision before continuing. Thanks. I would like to know other players views on this. I have no objection to the rules being amended for future WCC but I want to know what the rules are when I start a tournament.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-22 23:19:03)
cant count
I realise there are 7 players in the round robin final ie 2 extra tied players. My point remains why 7 rather than 5? Why did I have to spend that time trying to beat Janos when I could go through on a tie?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-23 00:03:38)
Round Robin final WCH 3
Hi Andrew, I understand your point of view, on one hand rules specify : "If necessary, a player could be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player" which does not exactly fit to this case (2 players have been invited). On the other hand, rules give administrators the final decision in all cases - also rules may change whenever necessary - and of course the aim is simply to make it well. As it has been discussed in the past, WCH tournaments with 5 players give tournament entry ratings a too big importance and such a tournament lose some interest, 7 players should be a minimum (I may change the WCH rules this way, to be discussed)
5 players in this tournament won their group, 2 players have been invited and tied for first in their group. This does not mean : "Two players tied for first then have been invited." .. Maybe this was a mistake and we'll discuss it. Once again I understand your point of view, I think it wouldn't be acceptable to change it now but I'll accept all comments on this choice and I'll make the rules more accurate while taking account of this.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-23 09:07:33)
Wasted time
I understand the point about 5 players being a small group but I used up my holidays trying to beat Janos what would have happened if the game was a draw who would have been invited?? Janos twice offered a draw and frankly the only reason I did not accept was because I followed the rules and believed I needed to win to qualify for the final. How were you going to determine who to invite?? You knew that this situation was going to arise from the moment stage 2 started as there were only 4 groups and 1 M group there could only be 5 winners.
Not only that but when I raised the issue of Marcs earlier partcipiation in round robin final I actually stated that this time as we will have 5 winners then the sitaution would not arise the group is complete so no invitations arise and in your reply you agreed I do not see why it is too late please comply with the rules as you have no right to invite other players in the rules do not allow it. Saying the administrators decision is final is saying you can suddenly change any rule at any time for any reason.
I now face 6 opponents instead of 4 without any vacation time.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-23 11:40:09)
Not wasted time
"what would have happened if the game was a draw who would have been invited??" : that's the real question. I think about it after the result, not before - this is how invitations must be done. A player with a strong established rating who did not play in this cycle may have been invited as well. I understand that is 2 games more, the cycle is hard to play already but definitely 7 players give less chances to chance, so most probably more chances to you according to your result. It is too late to change this (imo) because many games started and I'm still not sure it would be a good choice. "Saying the administrators decision is final is saying you can suddenly change any rule at any time for any reason" -> that's true, and I think this rule is absolutely necessary but I would replace "for any reason" by "if best" which is technically the same... The aim is to do it well only. And of course I'm not error free, that's why I often discuss rules changes in this forum. "(...) the group is complete so no invitations arise and in your reply you agreed", true : my only fault. Obviously I changed my mind and created some confusion, I'm very sorry about that but now I really think that's a better choice.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-08-23 11:43:19)
Rules change
All members are invited to comment on these points :
1) "Should all groups in WCH tournaments consist in 7 players at least, several players being invited if necessary at the tournament director's discretion" ? I'll change the rules this way if a majority agrees. In all cases the 3rd round-robin final must continue this way IMO but I may add a new rule :
2) "Referees are not error free and are not supposed to change the rules anytime they estimate it is a better choice, players accept the view that a tournament should be modified or any error corrected in all cases." (this is not irony, I'm not sure such a rule wouldn't bring some problems but we may try it if a majority agrees with that).
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-08-24 09:06:56)
Andrew, stop scathing criticism
on Thibault. Maybe he did some controversial decisions. But everybody who have to do decisions can be out in his calculations. In summery Thibault do a very good job and we all have to be thankful to him for all his work on this site.
Marc Lacrosse (2008-08-24 10:02:03)
I fully agree with Wolfgang
"In summary Thibault does a very good job and we all have to be thankful to him for all his work on this site."
I could not say it better.
Marc
Andrew Stephenson (2008-08-24 11:52:22)
separate criticism from suggestion
Whatever decisions Thibault made are past and I never doubted his good intentions. However I made a suggestion for the future which is in itelf not a criticism but a response to his invitation to comment on his proposed rule ammendments. I suggested a system for adding to numbers based on the best losers (those tied for 1st place, those placed 2nd etc) and if necessary to rank the best losers by tournament entry rating so if there were 2 slots to be filled and 3 persons who tied for first place in the groups (ie they were 2nd in their group because of lower TER than the winner) the top 2 by TER would qualify. I would also like to suggest an Ajuducations process 1) having indicative finish dates in WCC 2)if the Tournament director feels a game needs to be adjuducated (ie finish date reached)requesting both players to submit their views with analysis 3)having an adjudication commitee who will agree on the result within a set time period. These are just thoughts for possible improvement perhaps they are unnecessary. Anyway they are not intended as criticism scathing or otherwise!
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-08-24 19:41:33)
Thibault, simply delete it.
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-08-25 15:55:28)
Re
I agree with simul too. :P
Normajean Yates (2008-08-27 04:49:14)
unofficially...
I said i am in as black, but so far it is unofficially. If I am too overloaded -- chess [here and elsewhere] is already taking up too much of my time, and chess is not life, not for me, so I will have to think before officially entering.
Benjamin Block (2008-08-30 15:07:48)
How good is the program vs the man?
I want more test game in corr man vs computer. To know how high elo the computer have? It was a long time ago the Hydra played vs Nickel i want to see Rybka vs GM Nickel or some one other.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-02 15:14:21)
How good is the program vs the man?
True, I don't know about any recent experience like Hydra-Nickel... We may organize something like that with Rybka 3.0 and why not a strong Go engine too, any idea (rules, time control and so on) ?
Benjamin Block (2008-09-02 18:58:21)
organize?
On this site? Yes it would be funny.
I think it will be hard to ask the rybka team?? Have they time? But if some one that we trust can use the computer 30+1 to don´t get to much electricity. How are inveted to play? The openingsbook Random?
Don Groves (2008-09-03 01:29:42)
Here's one...
"The metric system did not catch on in the United States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet." -- Dave Barry
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-09 18:27:21)
Kramnik vs. Rybka / Zhukov
Posted by Larry Kaufman in Rybka forum : "According to GM Roman Dzindzichashvili quoting GM Sosonko who says he was present, a two game minimatch was held recently between former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik and Russian Chess Federation President Alexander Zhukov, at a serious time limit, with the following condition: Every fourth move, Zhukov was allowed to consult with Rybka for three minutes."
The complete discussion :
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=7270
Around cheating in OTB chess, interesting...
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-10 18:06:36)
Da question!
Are we going to use chess software?
this is very crucial point.
As for me I NEVER use chess programs during the game - sometimes after the game is finished. And if we are not gonna settle this question - then I'm out. Well, I may still take part but just playing for fun not seriously. Still I admit usage of books and available games of grandmassters that may be used for reference.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-12 23:39:50)
Travian, Sphere etc
Games of such kind are not only "mind killers" - in more extent they are "time killers" :)
as for me I prefer chess.
Alexis Bromo (2008-09-14 10:05:39)
travian
yes, it's time-killer... but tried once you cannot stop, like heroin. and you must go your path till the end...
i play, and i'm looking forward this "end". and i'll never play it anymore. :)))
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-14 23:28:51)
then
it is different - Destiny Sphere or Lineage or other similar games just last for ever.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-15 20:54:47)
Wikichess : Update !
Now you can see strong improvements in Wikichess articles :
- Opening ECO code
- Name of the opening
- Moves played at FICGS
- Find games played at FICGS
- Statistics (White wins, Black wins, Draws)...
Thanks to report any bug.
Ruslan Kopytov (2008-09-16 11:41:51)
igame.ru
Imho igame.ru was very nice place 2 play corr. chess. Alot of strong players, interesting personalities, really popular and actual threads in forum. It is very bad news if this site is down 4ever. Played there 2002-2008. Nick Ruslan73.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-16 12:34:05)
bug
Hi Ilmars... Thanks, will be corrected in a few days :)
Other improvements to follow also.
William Taylor (2008-09-18 13:25:56)
Big Chess Championship
I know there was a discussion some time ago about a big chess championship here on FICGS. Now the first 'M' class big chess tournament has started and I think big chess has enough regular players to try a championship. What do you think?
Michael Aigner (2008-09-18 18:16:36)
Too fast =:-O
Hi Thibault,
in my opinion we (maybe it is just me) need more time to choose a move (1 minute ?).
Do I have to give the choosen move in writing to the program or is it planned to be able to make the move on the board?
Best regards
Michael
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-18 20:48:47)
Big Chess Championship
Well, I have to find some time to make changes first. Big Chess ratings are probably too confusing :/
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-20 03:29:51)
MoGo - Rematch
According to the AGA E-Journal : "Myungwan Kim 8P will take on Mogo in a rematch set for this weekend's Cotsen Tournament in Los Angeles."
Good news :)
Don Groves (2008-09-20 05:03:31)
MoGo
Hi, Andrew -- It would be an amazing feat if MoGo programmers could eliminate its nine-stone handicap in only one year of development. With each stone eliminated, the combinatorial aspects increase exponentially and the human advantage in pattern recognition and game understanding increases in proportion.
FYI - In a handicap game, the weaker player always goes first (ie., plays black). The handicap stones are placed on predetermined points and that constitutes black's first turn. White plays next and they alternate the remainder of the game. Komi still applies unless otherwise agreed.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-09-22 17:07:19)
Big Chess ratings
They are because "provisional big chess ratings" are correspondence (classical) chess ratings minus 300 points. I estimated this was a good idea because Big Chess was quite different but I'm not sure anymore... What do you think ?
William Taylor (2008-09-22 18:33:42)
Big Chess ratings
Hmm. As you say, the game is quite different from ordinary chess, and as we can't use engines and very little research has been done into Big Chess we might all be 300 points or so weaker at it than at real chess. It might be quite nice to have the ratings over a similar range to ordinary chess ratings, but that doesn't really matter. Presumably once you have determined the provisional ratings you then use the same algorithm as you do for normal chess ratings?
It's hard to suggest a format without an estimate of how many people would play, but we don't necessarily have to have an accurate and established Big Chess rating system to hold a championship.
William Taylor (2008-09-22 18:36:07)
An idea
We could perhaps use the 'M' class tournament that has just started to decide the first Big Chess champion. Thereafter a challenger could be decided by a similar high-rated tournament, or else by an open tournament or series of tournaments if it's thought that the rating system isn't reliable enough.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-09-23 15:07:07)
Michael Aigner
It is bad. From the beginning blacks is really worse and hardly faiting for the draw. Imho collapse will come around move 20.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-25 23:13:44)
Alexis
What you are actually doing - is just trying to convert Ficgs.com into Igame.ru :))
I'd recommend you to register on chess-online.ru - they have vibrant russian forum.
The palpable difference between westerners and russians - is in absence of desire to communicate a lot (and most time to chatter about nothing :)). Just look at Ficgs forum - visitors are pretty rare and usually they pretty brief and discuss only chess/site related issues.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-27 01:54:32)
hmmm...
Iouri Basiliev
"arteficially introduce" Russian in Crimea???
Alexis Bromo
it is not a good place to discuss our internal problems here on international site.
Don Groves (2008-09-27 06:43:07)
Strategy and tactics
Salut Thibault -- Military strategy and tactics are similar to chess. For example, the US opening in Iraq was flawed -- too few troops, overconfidence, etc., a bad strategy exposed by the insurgents' successful counterattack. On the other hand, this year's "surge" in Iraq was a tactical move, like moving a rook into an attacking position.
Actually, it was more like adding another rook in the late middle game ;-)
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-09-27 13:58:06)
The result ...
Nothing special, he showed me some senteces in cirillic, he liked languages, especially slavic ones. Since I did not share his passion, I did not follow up. I have not seen him for many years.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-09-28 11:44:38)
Denis
I was talking about country, not the region. I would accept any language by voting majority. It could be tatarian in Crimea in 10 years from now :)
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-09-28 15:34:26)
Languages ...
This is very interesting, in the olimpic games in Barcelona, the King of Spain spoke a few sentences in Catalan, someone told me it was the first time in History that a King of Spain spoke publicly in Catalan, instead of Spanish, also in Italy, in Bolzano, the streets names are in both Italian and German and the region I think have the status on bilingual.
In my opinion a second language is always a wonderful thing, been able to speak another language always enriches a person.
There was a SF writer in one of his stories he said that langiage gave shape to thoughts, not the opposite, and in the novel 1984 of George Orwell there was the concept of eliminating dissident movements by creating a new language without words that could be used for thoughts against the government.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-28 17:30:23)
Iouri Basiliev
"I would accept any language by voting majority". For you to know
that majority of people in Crimea are
Russian speaking people.
"It could be tatarian in Crimea in 10 years from now"
It'l happen not until Turkish language became second official language in German.
Again
"I would accept any language by voting majority". Western "dermocrats" and their supporters here in Ukraine showed very clear that they "accept" only those views of "voting majority" that correspond to their own interests.
and this is you and others like you to blame that word "democracy" (not so bad concept actually) turned into CURSE here in Ukraine and in Russia.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-09-28 23:00:55)
Democracy ...
Democracy is just an illusion, only simple minds believe in it. Market and power are the crude reality.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-29 10:25:46)
By the way...
I wrote "deRmocrtats" with intent!
From foreigners it's just a mispelling - just extra letter accidentally appered in a word.
But for the russian speaking guy
it's different! Iouri Basiliev is not alien to Russian - he knows Russian and he knows that "deRmocracy"
in Russian is translated as "shitocracy"!!! :)
from the first his post in this topic
I understand that he must be an immigrant from former Soviet Union. He lives in German. Very probably he is not well adopted in German society - and is treated as person of "lesser quality". and this is the real reason why he so willingly participated in this talk (so imprudently started by Alex). For Iouri it's just an opportunnity (well I guess he thinks this way) to gain self confidence - by building corresponding hierarhcy of "values": he, lesser-rank German, is still "more civilized", "more democratic" than those "stupid barbaric" Ukrainians.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-09-29 14:49:24)
By the way
Denis, your deductive abilities are very impressive but offten wrong.
Russian and ukrainian are my native languages. I can speak english, french and german as well.
>>I understand that he must be an immigrant from former Soviet Union.>>
You are wrong.
>>Very probably he is not well adopted in German society - and is treated as person of "lesser quality".>>
I'm Prof. at Heidelberg Uni and do not feel "lesser quality" here or in France where i worked before :) Germany and France (at least the scientific community) are not the rasist countries.
I wish you feel similar at Ukraine!
Benjamin Block (2008-09-29 15:06:47)
Copy game to fritz?
If you mean in fritz openingsbook you can do this.
You do this in frtitz 11 i just have that and fritz 6
Start the program fritz 11
Press "Edit"
Press "openingsbook" and "Improtgames..."
Now you choose the databas you want to use in this question you want the game from ficgs. I don´t rember the file name. But i think you can found it.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-29 17:51:37)
Iouri Basiliev
"Russian and ukrainian are my native languages"
So you must know the simple fact that more than 70%
of Crimea people consider Russian as their native language.
For East and South of Ukraine we also can see that majority
of people speak Russian.
So saying about "artEficial introduction" of Russian in Ukraine,
about "talking about country, not the region" -
you demonstrate your own (one-eye blind) vision or it was adopted
during your life in "not the raSist countries" or
(what I believe is the most probable case) maybe both?
as to you professorship - in Ukraine we already saw
one "professor of Columbian University" of enormously great merits and honors
but ... without a diploma - Roman Zvarych.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/en/news/2005/7/23/543.htm
his named turned into nickname for those from outside who being
dressed up with different "titles & honors" like a Christmas trees
teaches us Ukrainians how to live.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-09-29 21:13:05)
Denis
U have not only extraordinary deductive abilities but great imagination. I have nothing against russian language. Moreover, Pushkin and Lermontov are my favourite poets. Lesya Ukrainka and Kotljarevsky are the greatest ukrainian poets imho.
Communists (like you?) 70 years artIficially (i've no spell checker) propagate russian in Ukraine.
It were only 10% of ukrainian schools at that time. Nowadays the situation is opposite. If you living in Ukraine, spend some time to learn ukrainian if you are able. When i sad i'll accept ANY decision by voting majority i mean i'll accept. I hate persons like Zvarych and another ProFFesors. My Ph.D. has been defended in USSR (not US) in deep 1989.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-29 23:27:26)
Iouri Basiliev
"Communists 70 years artIficially propagate russian in Ukraine.
It were only 10% of ukrainian schools at that time.
Nowadays the situation is opposite."
so you think it is good to use communist methods - making
LESS than 10% of russian language schools?
"If you living in Ukraine, spend some time
to learn ukrainian if you are able."
oh thanks for such a deep, wise and unexpected advice.
and this is my advice for you - to read
"European Convention for the Protection of National Minorities"
this will also ansver your Alsace issue.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-09-29 23:53:18)
Second language
<<you think it is good to use communist methods - making LESS than 10% of russian language schools>>
where i sad this? as i told your imagination is very turbulent :)
Russians are not "National Minorities", as Choukchas or Eskimos. If you so lazy to learn Ukrainian or you hate Ukraine, why you are living there? Go to Siberia or Chechen and hate Ukraine from there. You, probably, gifted by russian TV :)
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-30 00:08:25)
Iouri Basiliev
"<<you think it is good to use communist methods -
making LESS than 10% of russian language schools>>
where i sad this?"
you just became bold enough to order me what to do:
"Nowadays the situation is opposite.
If you living in Ukraine, spend some
time to learn ukrainian if you are able"
and this is actuall means that you are
considering that this is right (and good of course).
so stop making a fool of you and just read what you are saying.
I live in Central Ukraine where Russian speaking people
are minority - so I don't say that Russian should
be introduced here. But in East and South and 100% in Crimea
Russian WILL BE introduced by people - whatever you(foreigner/traitor/
agent of western influence) want/order/dislike.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2008-09-30 00:30:57)
Lermontov s Pushkinim vmeste
"Russians are not "National Minorities",
as Choukchas or Eskimos"
Readers already understood that you HATE Russians
(with all you references to Pushkin and Lermontov)
that you don't even give them right to be nationality
(and thus minority). and this hate - is the only
thing that speaks in you.
Josef Riha (2008-09-30 09:01:07)
copy games
No problem :-)
Very dubious! I've done this several times and it works.
After loading the .pgn file into the GUI you must change to your database and in that window click on the 'add game' icon(I don't know how it is written in the English version). A dialogue appears where you can edit some datas. With OK it is saved.
I hope you don't misunderstand my extensive description:-)
An easier way is to create a new game and parallel to FICGS you enter the moves done by you and your opponent.
Greetings, Josef.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-02 11:50:49)
Game 16370, towards a new rule ?
What do you think about this case :
http://www.ficgs.com/game_16370.html
Last move : Qe4+ 2008 September 30 19:57:40
White clock - 94 days 18:34:55 (58 days 08:20:25)
Black clock - 0 day 01:19:54
[Event "FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_A__000032"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2007.11.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Koch,Christian"]
[Black "Stephenson,Andrew"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2140"]
[BlackElo "2104"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.h3 Be7 9.Qf3 O-O 10.O-O-O b5 11.g4 b4 12.Nd5 Nxd5 13.exd5 Bc8 14.Kb1 Nd7 15.Qe2 Bb7 16.f4 Qc7 17.fxe5 Nxe5 18.Qf2 Bd8 19.Bg2 a5 20.Nd4 a4 21.Rhe1 a3 22.b3 Ra5 23.Nf5 g6 24.Nh6+ Kg7 25.Qf4 Bxd5 26.Bxd5 Rxd5 27.Qxb4 Qc6 28.Rxd5 Qxd5 29.Qf4 f6 30.Bc1 Qc5 31.Rd1 Ba5 32.Qe4 Rc8 33.c4 Bb4 34.h4 Qc6 35.Rd5 Re8 36.Qf4 Bc5 37.Bd2 Qb7 38.Bc3 Bb4 39.g5 f5 40.Qd2 Bxc3 41.Qxc3 Kf8 42.Kc1 Qb6 43.c5 Qc6 44.Rxd6 Qh1+ 45.Kc2 Qe4+ 46.Kc1 Qh1+ 47.Kc2 Qe4+ 48.*
So here player Black has good chances to lose the game on time, even if the best thing player White can do is to draw the game. In my opinion, "in general" player Black should play his next move, unless an analysis prove that the game is a forced draw - according to the rules, http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications - and eventually the result will be corrected after the game, but I'd like to know what other players think about this situation in general...
Thanks for helping to build strong rules.
Michael Aigner (2008-10-02 13:15:00)
No draw
Hello Thibault,
my opinion is, we do not have a forced draw in this position. White can easily avaoid it (propably by loosing the game but this does not matter).
Time is part of the game, it is the same in OTB chess.
So three possibilitys are popping up.
No1. The game is going on, just like normal.
No2. White offers a draw and hopes his opponent is accepting it (it is of course fully acceptable when black keeps playing).
No3. Black offers an draw because he is convinced the position is a draw and he did not want to play for time.
Best regards
Michael
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-02 20:15:08)
Game 22676, towards a new rule ?
Once again, an unusual case that may lead to an enforcement of FICGS rules. In our match, Marius lost 3 games on time and continues to play the other ones : FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_2__000005
Games 22676, 22678 and 22679 have been lost in an equal position.
Currently, the rules specify : 11.6 "Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating) or in global forfeit cases against the same opponent, ie. 8-games matches, but games where an advantage is obvious."
Of course, it is up to the referee to estimate an 'advantage' which is quite hard to define accurately, but the real problem is there's no real silent withdrawal in this case, as Marius had about 1 day only to play his last move. It is fair to cancel my wins in these games IMO but the question is how to make the rules fair enough in all cases.
My suggestion : "...or in global forfeit cases, including losses on time whatever the context, in at least 2 games in a 2 players tournament, ie. chess championship's 8-games matches, but games where an advantage is obvious."
What do you think ? Also does anyone see another unusual case that this rule wouldn't envisage ?
Thanks in advance.
Marcus Miranda (2008-10-02 21:33:27)
time limit is part of the game
I believe that time is part of the game, if you let your time run out then that's it.
In my opinion you should not cancel your wins in these games because you think that the position would lead to a draw, just ask yourself: what would be the position if your opponent did not have used more time than permitted? When a game lost on time is adjudicated to a draw or not rated, it says that time is not that important.
Don Groves (2008-10-02 23:42:29)
Time is part of the game
I agree with Marcus.
Michael Aigner (2008-10-03 02:48:34)
Time limit is part of the game
I agree with Marcus and Don.
Loosing because of time should be treated the same way as loosing because of poor play - without exeptions (makes the rule very simple to apply ;-).
Andrew Stephenson (2008-10-03 09:06:04)
Rules
I think you are right Thibault ie amend the rule as you suggest. However maybe change the wording put EXCEPT instead of BUT ("except games where an advantage is obvious")otherwise the english is difficult to understand (but so much better than my french!!)In this case though perhaps Marius is not going to play anymore moves at all in which case it could be classified as silent withdrawal?? At the level he is at it he surely does not need the time to get the positions the fact is that Marius (probably because he has got lot of games/commitments elsewhere) is not playing much at all in FICGS - looks like he will forfeit in the Round Robin final for example....
The existing rules make a distinction between matches and other tournaments. if you follow the other posters then it seems that they are saying that you should not have the rule for silent withdrawals or even losses under 10 moves?? So I vote for the extension proposed by Thibault it seems logical to me for matches - they are not primarily about rating. The idea is that it is too distorting to have a rating that shows a 6-0 win over a similer high level opponent when they just stopped playing and it has nothing much to do with relative playing strength. On the other hand Thibault it will give you a cool rating!! :)
Both view points are valid - its true time is a part of the game - but rules involve compromise and the proposed amendment just extends the principle already there........
Michael Aigner (2008-10-03 13:28:09)
Makes sense!
I agree with you that Thibaults suggestions makes sense in the context of matches where many games are played against the same opponent.
For normal tournaments a loss on time should just be a loss (after 10 moves played) - even when the player is loosing all his games in this tourny because of time.
Maybe there is some space for exeptions in case of illness or somethink like that - but on the other hand how is the player going to proof such things?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2008-10-03 13:41:21)
Time limit is part of the game
I agree with Marcus, Don and Michael. I think, there is neither a reason to change the results in your games, Thibault, nor to change the rules.
William Taylor (2008-10-03 14:43:56)
Big Chess Championship
I like the idea of making it like the Go championship because it's simple. As for excluding players, I'm not sure there are many more than nine who would want to play anyway. If there are lots of players outside the top 9 who would want to play in the championship, perhaps there could be two stages of tournament. For example, if 21 people entered, we could have 3 groups of 7, with the top 2 from each group advancing to the next stage. Then there would be a six-player tournament to determine the challenger, followed by a match challenger vs previous champion. For the 1st championship the champion could either be the winner of the 2nd-round tournament, or the winner of a match between the top 2 finishers in the 2nd-round tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-03 21:37:20)
FIDE rating list oct. 2008
FIDE published the October 2008 rating list, the 5 top ranking players are in a 8 points range only...
I still wonder what would happen in case of a come back by the King (Gary Kasparov) .. Great thing to see a player like Morozevich at the 2nd place.
Rank Name Title Country Rating
1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2791
2 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2787
3 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2786
4 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2786
5 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2783
6 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2772
7 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2757
8 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2751
9 Leko, Peter g HUN 2747
10 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2737
11 Wang, Yue g CHN 2736
12 Adams, Michael g ENG 2734
13 Movsesian, Sergei g SVK 2732
14 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2731
15 Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2730
16 Kamsky, Gata g USA 2729
17 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2727
18 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2726
19 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2720
20 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2719
21 Dominguez Perez, Leinier g CUB 2719
22 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2719
23 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2719
24 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime g FRA 2716
25 Alekseev, Evgeny g RUS 2715
26 Bu, Xiangzhi g CHN 2714
27 Polgar, Judit g HUN 2711
28 Ni, Hua g CHN 2710
29 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2705
30 Nakamura, Hikaru g USA 2704
31 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2703
32 Rublevsky, Sergei g RUS 2702
33 Cheparinov, Ivan g BUL 2696
34 Wang, Hao g CHN 2696
35 Sasikiran, Krishnan g IND 2694
36 Tiviakov, Sergei g NED 2686
37 Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter g ROU 2684
38 Najer, Evgeniy g RUS 2682
39 Bologan, Viktor g MDA 2682
40 Milov, Vadim g SUI 2681
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-03 21:46:16)
Anand vs. Kramnik
While the match Kamsky vs. Topalov still seems uncertain, the match Anand vs. Kramnik for the FIDE world chess championship is quickly approaching... After many good & bad results recently for both players, any favourite ? :)
As for me, I have no idea... chess just looks like lotery sometimes.
Don Groves (2008-10-04 04:27:29)
Silent withdrawals
Silent withdrawals could be taken care of by having a 10-day-per-move rule. If a player does not make a move in a game within 10 days and is not on vacation, the game should be forfeited to the opponent and the forfeit rules should apply as to whether the game is rated or not. Maybe a 7 day limit would be even better.
We all dislike silent withdrawals. This rule would end those games sooner and also may eventually stop players from starting more games than they can handle.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2008-10-04 09:03:00)
In response to Don
That is nosense you have a time limit being 30 days for the whole game or 40 days for 10 moves, if a players forfeits by time let it be. Why create more time time controls or impose faster timings controls . I have made moves after more than 10 days of analysis why should I be penalized?
Alexis Bromo (2008-10-04 11:45:29)
The King
I think Garry will not return to chess sport... Unfortunately, he prefer politics... I stand by him, and wish him good luck.
William Taylor (2008-10-04 12:49:16)
Very hard to pick
It's very hard to say who will win, but I'd slightly favour Kramnik - I just can't imagine him being beaten in a match.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-04 19:35:26)
re : In response to Don
You wouldn't be penalized in that case. All this is about 8 games match, as Andrew said "The idea is that it is too distorting to have a rating that shows a 6-0 win over a similer high level opponent". The whole problem is just to know where to put the limit.
Well, as it is possible to win elo points this way (loss on time in equal or winning position) in round-robin tournaments, it should be possible in 8 games matches too, but 8 wins this way shouldn't be taken in consideration.
Consequently, I propose a new rule, quite reasonable, that could satisfy everyone (finally even my rating :)), here is :
"11.6 "Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating) or in global forfeit cases, including losses on time whatever the context in a 2 players tournament, ie. chess championship's 8-games matches, except games where an advantage is obvious, in this case at most 2 of these games will be rated."
Andrew Stephenson (2008-10-05 20:04:28)
Slight amendment
Thibault thinking about your point that "as it is possible to win elo points this way (loss on time in equal or winning position) in round-robin tournaments, it should be possible in 8 games matches too" I suggest the follwoing "Rating changes will occur, in 2 player matches, for losses on time (whatever the reason) within the following constraints: the game(s) is at least 10 moves, only 1 time loss game will be rated unless there is a game where the winner is clearly better in which case a maximum of 2 games may be rated"
My idea is that if someone forefeits all their games on move 11 in a match there should be 1 game rated (as in a tournament) so there is a price to pay but not too distorting. If in the 8 games say 5 are level and 3 (or 2 or 1) are clearly advantageous then 2 games could be rated. Alternatively just give 1 rated game as a max irrespective of advantage or not (ie just the first loss) provided it at least 10 moves. I am thinking of 2 situations a 6-0 result over 10 moves dead equal positions there should be some rating penalty (like tournaments) On the other hand soemone could let the clock run out in 6 games just before being mated in each game to avoid heavy rating penalty they should take a 2 game hit.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-05 20:22:01)
Re: Slight amendment
I'm not sure to see the point, all games are rated for who forfeits or loses games on time, in 8 games matches just like any rated tournament. So what "price" do you mean ? The rule is about the winner's rating only.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-05 20:30:11)
Go ratings, rule update
In order to limit the inflation of Go ratings, I've updated the rules for ratings superior or equal to 2000. The idea of the original rule was to help players to find their rating range more quickly only.
"Go ratings are first estimated from Go ranks (n kyu give a 2100 - 100 * n rating, n dan give a 2000 + 100 * n rating, n dan pro give a 2630 + 30 * n rating), then adjusted in real time after each result :
Performance = Opponent Current Rating + 350 if the game is won, -350 if the game is lost.
Case of a win (rating > 1999) : New Rating = ((9 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 10
Case of a win (rating < 2000) : New Rating = ((8 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 10
Case of a loss : New Rating = ((9 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 10
The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is superior to 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player.
In case of a loss against a player rated more than 350 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 350."
Andrew Stephenson (2008-10-05 21:50:02)
Sorry
..I must have misunderstood I thought if games were forfeit on time in matches even after 10 moves they were not rated only rated if the games were better ie the foreited party was clearly worse?? So in the case of a an 8 games match 11 moves completed all lost on time in dead equal positions there would be no rating effect ie no price paid?? In a tournament game they would be these losses would be rated. I thought your proposal was to rate the losses in matches up to a max of 2 games ONLY if it was 10+ moves AND the position was clearly better.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-10-06 12:30:18)
Latvian gambit
My first two games with Michael and Rodolfo simply confirmed - "LG is bad opening". 15-20 moves and black can resign. I choose 3.Nxe5 as most difficult for black. 3.Bc4 has been played with Denis. Do not expect more than 20 moves here as well.
Sebastian Boehme (2008-10-06 19:39:00)
Sort of a hierarchy here
Well it is quite simple, the best engine on best hardware. Anyway good that at least Junior and Cluster Toga managed to get a draw from Rybka.
Too bad Hiarcs played such a bad opening, or there had also been a chance for maybe a draw.
Anyway congrats again to Rybka team for this win!
Wayne Lowrance (2008-10-13 07:33:14)
Hello Thibault
I am just curious. I just realized that I am getting close to 3 norms for FEM.
In Tournament M #15 I have already enough points for a FEM norm.
In Tournament M #21 I will earn a FEM and possibly FIM norm.
In M #19 it is possible I could earn FEM norm.
Question: in the M #15 tournament I have not been notified about qualifying.
( and I have). Which brings up the question.
Do you notify the players of norm status. And should a player earn enough to get 3 FEM norms does the server notify that player, and how often are Status achievments upgraded.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-14 16:21:25)
Kramnik vs. Anand
The first game of the match for the Fide WCC started !
You may see the games live at this french site :
http://www.imineo.com/wcc2008
Andrew Stephenson (2008-10-14 22:01:56)
exchange slav
Difficult to know what Kramnik was up to in this game. 8 Qb3 has been regarded as pretty harmless and is not much played at GM level - he must have had some new idea - apparently 15 Qxb7 is new but black was always going to get the pawn back. After 6 months preperation and 3 full time seconds a bit strange! I am sure Anand will go full power for the point tomorrow - I still cannot quite believe that Kramnik will play the Petroff he avoided it against Kasparov and I am sure he will avoid it in this match also.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-15 23:49:23)
Game 2
GM Anand (2783) - GM Kramnik (2772) [E25]
WCh Bonn GER (2), 15.10.2008
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.f3 d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 c5 7.cxd5 Nxd5 8.dxc5 f5 9.Qc2 Nd7 10.e4 fxe4 11.fxe4 N5f6 12.c6 bxc6 13.Nf3 Qa5 14.Bd2 Ba6 15.c4 Qc5 16.Bd3 Ng4 17.Bb4 Qe3+ 18.Qe2 0-0-0 19.Qxe3 Nxe3 20.Kf2 Ng4+ 21.Kg3 Ndf6 22.Bb1 h5 23.h3 h4+ 24.Nxh4 Ne5 25.Nf3 Nh5+ 26.Kf2 Nxf3 27.Kxf3 e5 28.Rc1 Nf4 29.Ra2 Nd3 30.Rc3 Nf4 31.Bc2 Ne6 32.Kg3 Rd4 1/2-1/2
The prize fund (1.5 million Euro, not bad :)) will be equally split between Kramnik & Anand.
Time control : 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves and 15 minutes for the rest of the game with an increment of 30 seconds per move.
Iouri Basiliev (2008-10-21 14:10:51)
LG
The games are over. Steel do not 100% sure about 3.Bc4, the game Ilmars-Michael needs to be analysed, but 3.Nxe5 simply wins. Anyhow, it was nice to study deeply this opening imho. Thanx to all players!
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-10-23 18:54:26)
... brr
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 d5 5.Qh5+ g6 6.Nxg6 hxg6 7.Qxh8 Kf7 8.Qd4 Be6 9.Be2 Nc6 10.Qe3 Nh6 11.d3 Nf5 12.Qg5 Nfd4
(13.Bd1 exd3 =)
13.Qxd8 Rxd8 14.Bd1 exd3 15.cxd3 Bf5
(15.-- Nb4? 16.Bg5 and 17.Kd2 +/=)
16.Bg5 Re8+ 17.Kd2 Ne6 18.h4
(18.Be3 Ne5 19.Bb3 Rd8 20.d4 Nc4+ 21.Bxc4 dxc4 22.Nc3 Nxd4 23.Rad1 Nc2+ 24.Kc1 Re8 25.Bg5 Nb4 26.Rd4 Nd3+ 27.Kd2 b5 =)
18.-- Ne5 19.Nc3 d4 20.Ne4
(20.Nd5 c6 =)
20.-- Nxd3 21.f3
(21.Nf6 Bb4+ 22.Ke2 Nxg5+ 23.Nxe8 Ne6 24.Nxc7 Nxc7 25.Bb3+ Kf6 26.Rhd1
(26.Rad1 Ne6 27.Bxe6 Nf4+ 28.Kf3 Nxe6 29.a3 Bf8 =)
26.-- Ne6 27.Bxe6 Nf4+ 28.Kf3 Nxe6 29.a3 Bd6 =)
21.-- Nxb2 22.Bb3 b5 23.Rhc1 c5 24.Rab1 Bxe4 25.fxe4 c4 26.Rxb2
(26.Rf1+ Kg8 27.Bxb2 Nc5 28.e5 Ne4+ 29.Kd1 Nc3+ 30.Kc2 Ba3 31.Rf4
(31.Re1 Nd5 32.Bxc4 bxc4 33.Rb7 Rf8 =)
31.-- Bxb2 32.Kxb2 cxb3 imho =)
c3+ 27.Kd3!
(27.Kc2 cxb2 28.Rf1+ Kg7 29.Bf6+ Kh7 30.Kxb2 Nc5 31.e5
(31.Bxd4 Nxb3 32.Kxb3 Rxe4 33.Rxf8 Rxd4 =)
31.-- Bg7 32.Kc2 d3+ =)
27.-- cxb2 28.Rf1+ Kg7 29.Bf6+ Kh7 30.Bxe6 Rxe6 31.Bxd4 Ra6 or 31.-- Kh5 (Unclear for me, but imho black can draw at least in one of them) =
I will check it one more time. But it looks that black can fight for draw after <<1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 d5 5.Qh5+ g6 6.Nxg6 hxg6 7.Qxh8 Kf7 8.Qd4 Be6 9.Be2 Nc6 10.Qe3 Nh6 11.d3 Nf5 12.Qg5>> too.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-24 01:19:36)
Game 7
GM Anand (2783) - GM Kramnik (2772) [D19]
WCh Bonn GER (7), 23.10.2008
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.0-0 Nbd7 9.Qe2 Bg6 10.e4 0-0 11.Bd3 Bh5 12.e5 Nd5 13.Nxd5 cxd5 14.Qe3 Re8 15.Ne1 Bg6 16.Bxg6 hxg6 17.Nd3 Qb6 18.Nxb4 Qxb4 19.b3 Rac8 20.Ba3 Qc3 21.Rac1 Qxe3 22.fxe3 f6 23.Bd6 g5 24.h3 Kf7 25.Kf2 Kg6 26.Ke2 fxe5 27.dxe5 b6 28.b4 Rc4 29.Rxc4 dxc4 30.Rc1 Rc8 31.g4 a5 32.b5 c3 33.Rc2 Kf7 34.Kd3 Nc5+ 35.Bxc5 Rxc5 36.Rxc3 Rxc3+ 37.Kxc3 1/2-1/2
5 more games... Kramnik must win 3 times and draw 2 !
Michael Aigner (2008-10-24 19:38:43)
The only draw wa a lucky one!
Unfortunately I have to say that my draw against Ilmars was lucky becaus he mixed two moves. Until that White was clearly better.
I played my games without any information about the openeing theory of the lavtian gambit - only brief analysis.
Now I can say this is not enough to defend this opening. On the other hand there might be ways to survive with black if one knows ideas, plans, opening theory ....
Is there any good book with more or less reliable analysis of this opening?
Next time better opening preparation is definately needed ;-)
Normajean Yates (2008-10-26 00:06:42)
I *meant* wikichess actually...
llmars, I actually *meant* wikichess when I typed chessopedia -- my mistake... :)
No, I'll wait for some times till you have done all the updates and corrections *here* :)
Iouri Basiliev (2008-10-29 14:36:03)
Latvian gambit
Latvian Gambit is bad opening for blacks:
e4 e5 Nf3 f5?? is Kings Gambit(KG) (trans)position with extra tempo for white. KG is not playable at high level due to white can achieve draw at maximum. Extra tempo gives whites at LG anormous advantage in comparison with KG. Whatever "theory" is talking about. Sorry.
Normajean Yates (2008-10-29 18:15:45)
oh that is easy...
just stick white paper on the borders and write down the coordinates.
Or simply draw a picture of a big 16x16 board with coordinates etc - maybe in many pieces - print it out, stick it on cardboard or a spare table...
Scott Nichols (2008-10-30 10:06:18)
Quick chess?
I would like to see a new time format of game in 10 days with a 4 hour increment per move. A lot of players like to play fast but need more than one day, but do not need 30 or more days. Would anybody else be interested? Any thoughts?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-30 12:12:34)
10 d + 4 h / move
Hi Scott,
A strange format, very stressful and difficult to play.. I think many players would try it but it would cause forfeits (losses on time) and rating problems quite quickly IMO :/ .. 30 days + 1 day per move is very fast already. Then, the "correspondence blitz" format seems a good choice to me.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-30 12:13:57)
Wikichess
Thanks :) .. There are some improvements to follow yet (ie. hashtables). But it is really better, I agree.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-30 12:26:28)
"Buttons"
See ie. game 21711, below the board, you should see : 23... Nf6 ± A S W Ø
Is it ok ? (as you are in the middlegame, of course no big chance to find similar games or a wikichess article for the position)
Benjamin Block (2008-10-30 14:14:34)
Extrem fast time.
The fastest time control i ever seen in corr is 7 days+0 on a whole game.
The game chould not be more then 14 days. But it is too fast for me. I did test it. It is more a time game you need to play on the day and night. 30+0 Did i also play it was hard but it did work if the games did not get over 100 moves.
30+1 is a good time control! But if you want a max time control it is better with the other.
Normajean Yates (2008-10-30 14:53:51)
I agree w/Benj.,even more so w/Thibault
10 d + 4 h / move??? that's not correspondence, except technically, IMO.
But if enough ppl want to play it, and M. Thibault is willing to arrange it, who am I to complain :(
So long as no one forces *me* to play that format... ;)
Normajean Yates (2008-10-30 15:08:01)
ok now: prob was ABP or popup-block
Thanks thibault!
The problem was simple: recently firefox had crashed so I had to reinstall it, and also I reinstalled plugins including adblock plus. But I forgot to : make exception in adblock plus for ficgs; also I forgot to allow popups for ficgs.
I just did that, and it is fine now!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-30 17:09:52)
Is Vishy Anand world champion ?
I do not understand anything anymore to the FIDE World Chess Championship cycle :( .. Is Anand the FIDE world champion 2008 as I can read it or was this match the semi final in the cycle ? The other match was (maybe in my mind only) Kamsky vs. Topalov .. and as far as I can remember there was some sponsors problems or so... What happened to this match ? Simply cancelled ??
Don Groves (2008-10-30 20:15:01)
Quicker chess
I would like see some way of making players play more regularly. Some players join a tournament and then play only a very few moves until their clock turns red. Others take sometimes a week or more between moves until the are forced to speed it up or lose on time.
I have a couple of these games going now and it is frustrating to wait so long. If a player does not have the time to make moves regularly, they shouldn't enter so many tournaments at the same time. </rant>
Normajean Yates (2008-10-30 20:15:55)
5x5 chess again - thibault please read!
Thibault, I know you dont want to start another variant - but since we [meaning ficgs] pushed the theory [and the demise :( ] of the latvian gambit further... and we will have another round of that, so
in 5x5 chess (5x5 board, starting position rnbqk/ppppp/8/PPPPP/RNBQK) [o-o-o etc allowed - all 8x8-chess-type moves allowed] - as far as I know this hasnt been solved yet - far from it; so:
Please consider introducing this some time in the future... ask around to see if there is enough demand... you can consider payment-only tournaments for 5x5 chess....
Plus it will make ficgs academically famous!
[I don't know who suggested this version first: I first read about it more than 25 years ago in a Martin Gardner article - at least then, no theory was known about it.]
Don Groves (2008-10-30 20:19:24)
Response to Scott
Hi, Scott -- How about specifying a minimum number of moves per day rather than a time increment? Four hours per move would interfere with my sleep pattern ;-)
Marc Lacrosse (2008-10-30 20:29:24)
To Don : better "fast" correspondence
If you wish a faster but still really "correspondence" play I would recommend the following : 7d + 1d/move with a maximal time capital of 7 days (anything over 7 days is cut off).
No vacation allowed during course of the game (or vacation pause not working for these precise games so that you may take leave for other kind of competitions but still need to play in these ones).
I am ready to play any kind of test games/tournaments at this timing.
Marc
Scott Nichols (2008-10-30 22:37:09)
Norma :)
Nice response, some players I think do rely on their opponents health failing because that is the ONLY way they can salvage a lost cause. One game I heard of was the guy was playing his friend. He lived in Alaska, he waited six months for a reply, when the sled dogs pulled up the mailman gave him his letter. He anxiously opened the envelope to discover it said "J'adoube"
Normajean Yates (2008-10-31 03:17:50)
replies to thibault's question..
1. No, computers cannot yet. Not even near. Afaik not even 'strongly conjectured to be a white win' or 'strongly conjectured draw' (3x3 chess has been strongly solved - it is not really a game because there is no suitable starting position - but there are complete tablebases for every legal placement of chess pieces on a 3x3 board. I posted the links in a forum thread a few months ago...)
2. Why this variant is special -
if you think about it, 5x5 chess is the smallest notrivial *natural* contraction of 8x8 chess.
Plus - or that is why - it was thought of many decades ago - as far as I remember, when Martin Gardner mentioned it about 25 years ago in his column 'mathematical games' in the USA-based science magazine 'Scientific American', he was merely mentioning it, he hadn't invented it...
I am waiting for one bigchess opponent to time out before going on 15-day chess-leave -- [she (Nicola) would have timed out on 27 Oct but it got extended because of the 7-day addition to clocks owing to server change] --- then I plan to find out the current state of 5x5 - whether some university etc. is researching it, etc. If there are results that indicate forced draw (or win) then I agree that there is not much point in doing it here...
Normajean Yates (2008-10-31 03:38:44)
similarly,smallest natural *extension*-
similarly, what is the *smallest* natural *extension* of chess? [Again I am reposting this idea - i did it a few months ago]
Think about it this way, as far as way of moving is concerned, [keeping aside pawns for the moment] you have R, B, N moving in essentially different ways. Q = R + B as far as movement is concerned - i.e. a queen can move like a rook or like a bishop, as the player chooses. The movement of the Q is nothing more and nothing less.
So, to extend chess minimally and naturally [therefore extending the symmetry also] IMO the natural choice of new pice would be a piece which I call the superqueen, lets call it U [because S is knight in chess problems and in many non-english roman-script languages..]. The superqueen U moves like a R, a B, or a N, according to mover's choice. In other words, it moves like a Q or a N.
movewise, U = R + B + N = Q + N.
Now keeping symmetry and minimality in mind we get 10x10 chess with the following starting position:
rnbqukqbnr/pppppppppp/10/10/10/10/10/10/PPPPPPPPPP/RNBQUKQBNR.
In 10x10 castling O-O and O-O-O, it may be more natural for the king to move *three* squares [and the R crosses the king and goes adjacent to the new position of the king, just like in 8x8 chess.]
Actually long ago (1981-82) we tried this 10x10 a few times with some friends - we used to call *this* 10x10 thing 'big chess' :(
[we used a one-pound coin heads-up and tails-up for white and black superqueen resp.]
But the name bigchess is taken [and bigchess is nice :) ] , so I am just calling it 10x10 chess now..
Thibault de Vassal (2008-10-31 20:37:59)
10x10 "super" chess
The 10x10 variant seems much more funny but it is not so far from 8x8 chess. Ok, let's say that 5x5 chess is a "natural" variant, but I see no real interest to play it yet as the first 5x5 chess engine will be probably invincible :/
16x16 big chess is too long but IMO the great interest is that the pieces are the same and it is far enough from computer chess (unlike chess 960)... But it is not played enough yet and the more tournament categories, the more variants (..whatever), the less players in each one. This site is firstly dedicated to competition, unlike some other sites that offer tens of variants and it is not compatible IMO :/ .. Big chess & chess 960 + all unrated categories are a lot of chess tournaments already, maybe too many.
Normajean Yates (2008-10-31 22:52:08)
I love [16x16] bigchess! :)
But disclosure of bias: I am winning my first bigchess (16x16) tournament 6-0 I think ;)
[4-0 I have already, One opp is timing out, and the only remaining opp: well see game 23201... ]
Let me be clear, 16x16 is very nice, need 'far' sight in two senses of the word :), and I would still love it - even if I was losing!
If some genie gave me the option that 'okay, from tomorrow at ficgs there will be no bigchess but there will be 5x5 and 10x10 and Philip Roe's generalisation to 7x7 with a nice initial position worked out -
I'd say no! I want bigchess!
Normajean Yates (2008-11-01 23:43:03)
Benjamin Block - I agree
It seems there is some HP product that offers 5x5 chess of various kinds including the one I describled - it is called 'Gardner minichess' now. English-wikipedia 'minichess' entry has a link to that - and in a discussion forum on that HP thing I found - "recent play suggests that Gardner minichess is a draw".
So the first decent engine for it would finish it, it seems, as thibault said earlier in this thread...
Someone modify crafty for 5x5 and check - yawn - I am toooo lazy --- plus crafty [and all later closed source engines I suppose] are too strongly low-level optimised for 8x8 chess --- writing an engine from scratch? Well I know the seven steps [they are/were on an internet in a nice article] --- but I have retired from writing code --- written enough for three lifetimes; no more programming for me.
*Proving* that Gardner-minichess is a draw would be more difficult -- 20-piece tablebases! (okay, in a much smaller space) - that's for the universities --- they have to do something to give out M.S.'s and Ph.D.s - so let them do it :)
[they did it with draughts <called checkers in the USA> - it is solved ie proven to be a draw -- let them try Gardner-minichess now :)]
3x3 - as I said there are complate tablebases now including for positions with pawns on first rank -- so it is very-strongly solved [i.e. given *any* position, the result and the best play for that result are known - in fact online accessible -- instant results of course... you'll find the link on eng-wikipedia -- I have accessed it [3x3 chess site] before but yesteday it seemed to be down - the old link was http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/3x3-chess/ but it is broken now...
Normajean Yates (2008-11-01 23:46:08)
or modify gnuchess...
or any other decently coded open-source chess engine... then optimise -- intoduce latest techniques [what works for 8x8 might not work for 5x5 for low-level optimisation...]
Normajean Yates (2008-11-02 02:36:49)
to Iouri Basiliev - extra tempo..
Loss of tempo? I claim that after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 the unique move that puts white into *zugzwang* is 2..f5!!. Disprove the statement mathematically if you can! :D
Normajean Yates (2008-11-02 05:15:50)
does vacation 'freeze' scoring?
One opp of mine is going to time out within 23 hours. I desparately need a vacation from chess, but I don't want 'unfinished business' hanging. So, if I go on 15-day vacation say 5 minutes *after* opponent times out, will the game be still shown as won by me within 1-2 days? Or will the recogition that the game has ended [in a win by me] be also 'frozen' for 15 days i.e. until my vacation is over?
Normajean Yates (2008-11-03 03:12:58)
It will need writing engine from scratch
Many of the published optimisations : rotated bitboards onwards etc - are specifically for 8x8 - the optimisations is that they combine legal-move generation and best-move genertion : conceptually, at one stage we have a list of 'maybe legal' moves and so on.
The high level optimisations are of course common[to begin, see Aske Plaat's Ph.D. thesis - search for it, it is online - also I have a printed copy - and papers on alphabeta+TranspositionTables]
Normajean Yates (2008-11-03 07:15:32)
It is *really* a bug. Not a feature.
[see my previous post in this topic] Suppose opponent and I both have only 10 day left, it is opponent's move -- and I go on 11 days vacation. Now what is happening is that opponent's clock is running! [example - see my previous i.e. starting post for this topic] but as the game is *frozen* opponent cannot move! So opponent will lose on time!
So, it IS a bug [unless opponent can now move if I am on vacation. But then, this rule change has not been mentioned in the help, faq etc. --
from 'terms and conditions - 11.4 (time rules)':
"Vacation : It is possible to take a maximum of 30 days leave per year, called vacation. During this time, your clocks are frozen and it is no more possible to play, in order to reduce the effects on time controls.
"
Andrew Stephenson (2008-11-03 10:47:42)
Free style cup games...
...are not linked to wikichess which is a shame because there are some very important theoretical games there!
Wayne Lowrance (2008-11-03 18:30:23)
Quick chess
Well seems to be a lot of interest here by many players. My thoughts on super short games here are, if that is what you all want I am for it.
I wont enter most likely any super short games however. The original post of 10 days + a increment of 4 hrs/moves is too fast for ole gramps here. Like several have commented here, allowing time build up to enormous value is very very bad. I agree with Don and Mark on these notions. I think the suggestion of not allowing the timer to exceed the base limit is practical and VERY desireable Thibault ! I like the discussion on this topic, It is good.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-11-04 00:12:23)
5 Queens problem
The queens problem for a 5x5 board has 10 possible solutions, time ago I build a small java application to solve the N queens problem, and I used it for a 5x5 board.
Normajean Yates (2008-11-04 03:43:33)
Rodolfo, this is not n queens prob!
1. 5 queens prob [none attacking any other] on 5x5 board has ZERO solutions, as is easy to see.
2. n queens problem - fast solution, all solutions, all solutions excluding symmetry etc. is routine exercise after teaching back tracking in a programming course. Also, writing recursive program in lisp, tail recursive program, program with function being called with itself as a parameter [in untyped languages - otherwise you get 'infinite type' error], lazy-eval-function-program [typically for Haskell] - are routine exercises for leaerning a new fundamentally different language for experienced programmers.
BUT I DO NOT SEE THE RELEVANCE OF THE N QUEENS PROBLEM HERE! WE ARE DISCUSSION 5X5 COMPETITIVE CHESS WITH START-POS rnbqk/ppppp/8/PPPPP/RNBQK w Qq !
nxn queens is 2 minutes programming exercise! Writing a good engine for above is a big project!
Continuing the topic of engines for above (nowadays called Gardner minichess) - we also need some endgame tablebases. That should not be difficult: modifying source code of nalimov tablebase generators. [download tbgen.c - or is it cc (c++)? I have the source - it is GPL anyway...
We are not talking about future ficgs things - we are discussing a point of some academic interest, that is all.
Normajean Yates (2008-11-04 12:28:45)
n queens - number of solutions: n<=15
The following table gives the number of solutions for n queens, both unique (sequence A002562 in OEIS) and distinct (sequence A000170 in OEIS).
for n =1 to 15: n queens: no. of solutions:
distinct: 1,0,0,2,10,4,40,92,352,724,2680,14200,
73712,365596,2279184.
up to symmetry:
1,0,0,1,2,1,6,12,46,92,341,1787,9233,
45752,285053.
So the 5 queens prob has two solutions, but the 6 queens prob has only one! [for 5 quuens, by rotating and/or reflecting them you get total 10 solutions which you got.]
Exercise: modify your java applet to give essentially different solutions only i.e. eliminate 'duplicate solutions' i.e. solutions which are identical except for rotation and/or reflexion. First step: e.g. for 5 queens check placement of a-queen on a1,a2, a3 only [a solution with a4 will be a reflexion of a solution ith a2.]
Benjamin Block (2008-11-05 15:14:48)
Build openingsbook in fritz 11.
1.You need to extract the files first.
2.Start the program fritz 11.
3.Press edit->Openingsbook->Import games.
4.Choose the extracktet files.
5.Take 1-????? if you want all. ????=the highest nummber. (you get it in the start.
6.Choose how many moves you want in every game. MAX 100.
7.Press "ok".
You can say thanks by giving me the links you download the games.
Normajean Yates (2008-11-06 16:22:19)
what about a sokolosky thematic ?
What about a sokolosky (1.b4) thematic? Let's put 1.b4 to test, specially in view of 1.b4 e5 2.b5 - let's expand the theory!
No hurry, I mean say some time next year?
Ben Milton (2008-11-06 16:47:28)
Downloading games
Is there a way to download all the long games (non blitz, bullet, etc) above the rating of 2200? Im sure a very strong opening book can be made from that considering that most of the people use engines here...
Don Groves (2008-11-07 01:58:00)
Kennedy's famous (mis)quote
What Kennedy was trying to say was "I am a Berliner" (in the sense of being a resident of Berlin in spirit).
What he actually said was "I am a piece of pastry" (a "Berliner" was a popular snack of the time).
What he should have said was "Ich bin Berliner!" (no "ein", which means, "I am a resident of Berlin"
Ben Milton (2008-11-07 08:16:25)
filter...
could you explain a bit more by what you mean by filter? More importantly can someone tell me how to download the games...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-07 14:59:07)
Kamsky vs. Topalov
"Kamsky vs. Topalov" to sell...
Roustam Kamsky, father of world championship candidates Gata Kamsky had hard words against FIDE president Kirsan Ilyumzhinov : "I do not have any faith in FIDE and Mr. Ilyumzhinov who in front of the whole world breached his word, which is not the first time. Also, I do not have much faith in Mr. Makropoulos, a personal friend of Mr. Danailov."
More surprising, he said a few words about the former match Anand vs. Kasparov : "I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Vishy Anand on his true victory. This is his third victory at the world championship. I think he could have achieved even more success if during his match against Kasparov he did not have as his trusted seconds grandmasters from the former Soviet Union. I was very impressed by the organization of Anand’s match in Bonn, Germany, except that the match should have been played between Kamsky and Anand. It was unjust to allow Russian GM Kramnik to play three world championship matches, in 2006, 2007, 2008, without a proper selection, just so Russia can maintain the world championship title."
The whole open letter is intersting to read...
Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5002
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5000
Normajean Yates (2008-11-07 15:21:21)
my french and german both improved..
:) thanks, don groves and thibault!
Normajean Yates (2008-11-07 20:36:31)
but I found lots, + wait for hashtables
but Mr Milton, *I* found loads of 2200+ v 2200+ sicilian games!
Hashtables haven't been implemented yet, but thibault said they are soon to come. so will not yet, but soon in the future, find transpositions into a sicilian, and at present but not in the near future you *will* find games that transposed *out* of sicilian...
What *did* you search for? In 'Opening' type 1.e4 d5, and for both black and white elo type 2200 - and you will get the sicilians, with the provisos I mentioned above
Don Groves (2008-11-07 21:37:45)
You're welcome...
... Normajean. One thing about recalling history, it really helps when you were actually alive at the time of the event ;-)
Ben Milton (2008-11-08 05:55:12)
:)
Oh i see, I typed "sicilian" instead of e4 c5 :)
Is there a way to download all those games at the same time?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-09 00:00:59)
Iatus
Salut Don... Well, I don't know the right terms, but some liaisons are written, some others are spoken... The aim of "apostrophe" symbol ' is (according to me) to make a written liaison while breaking a word in the case of two words that are hard to pronounce. Spoken liaisons happen more often (ie. "comment allez-vous ?") but are often not written. Hope I'm clear :)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-09 00:08:30)
Fire on board...
Open letter by Gata Kamsky :
"Dear President, gentelmen, Susan,
When I first saw Bill's letter I was happy, because finally USCF has been showing strong support for their representative. Whether there could be a better solution or a more diplomatic one is a good question, but the reality is that there is no time to negotiate and given FIDE's strong-arm history of negotiating, it is not likely to succeed.
When I spoke with FIDE Vice President Mr. Makropoulos in Greece, it was decided that both my team and Mr. Topalov's team would meet during the rest day at the Olympiad in Dresden to negotiate and discuss everything, including technical details. With their last public statement, Mr. Illumjinov not only attempted to revoke his personal guarantee of the match, but he also imposed the time limit of one week for the players to acceed to his demands and at the same time re-awarded the bid to the Bulgarian Federation, which was the original FIDE's intention in the first place. You all are aware of the clause in the FIDE regulation for this "special" match that gave the Bulgarian Chess Federation a privilege of matching any bid that is coming from my side, which effectively ruined any attempt to find and submit a bid from the United States.
Throughout the negotiations with my managers, FIDE did nothing to find a sponsor on their own, despite the fact that it was solely FIDE's decision to create this match, and thus to allow Mr. Topalov a backdoor into the final steps of the qualification proceedings for the world championship title, quite unfairly, I might add.
FIDE's entire purpose, for chess players, for fairness, has been changed into a special interest group organization and I personally believe that any negotiations with FIDE rulers or tsars, or whatever you like to call them, will be unsuccessful.
The time for the negotiation is over and the only way to fight FIDE is to expose their mistakes, and perhaps fight them in a court of law if and when FIDE broke the law. Therefore, I would respectfully request all USCF Board members to unite and find ways to make sure that justice and fairness will prevail.
Sincerely,
Gata Kamsky
Saturday, November 8, 2008"
More informations on Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5004
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-09 15:19:50)
All games...
Doing the same as Rodolfo is clearly the best method, the FICGS search by opening is limited to 500 games.
Normajean Yates (2008-11-11 17:34:36)
or, God has timed out because...
Maybe God has timed out because God forgot to go on 'vacation' officially? ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-11 18:14:29)
God or not God...
Just like in a previous discussion on a similar topic, my point of view is that we have absolutely no idea of what (who, in the very best case) God could be, so IMO he/she/it/they has/have not even a reason to take part of any discussion about the proof of its/their(..) existence [of course, all theories are good to hear]. By the way, is/are it/he/she/they necessary to anywhat ? If not, it should be enough to say it/he/she/they has/have few chances to exist.
Maybe we should open a new topic :)
Normajean Yates (2008-11-13 15:09:03)
to rodolfo: another strange coincidence
So we have two Ingmar Bergmans and three Ingrid Bergmans:
1.Your friend's husband and your friend.
2. The famous film director and his last wife [she was Ingrid, and took the husband's surname after marrying him]
3. The famous female actor Ingrid Begman, who was never Ingmar Bergman's wife! :)
PS: films reminded me: has Telesur started showing more literary and artistic programs? My friend Tariq Ali is on the board of advisors of Telesur, and he keep pressing them...
Anyway, please convey my greetings and solidarity message to President Chávez!
Wayne Lowrance (2008-11-14 00:58:53)
Future Rating
Hello Thibault, In the short msg's window all I was asking for was what happened to the feature ! I click on my tournaments, click on magnifying glass, then try to click on elo, but no longer does this respond. What am I doing wrong sir. I accepted a draw offer, wondering what impact it will have
Thank you.
Wayne
Normajean Yates (2008-11-14 09:58:19)
my choice changes every 30 min!
so I dont remember what my first choice was!
Cannot think of a more boring and unimportant topic than this 'god' thing - YAWN -- so why am I posting on it?
Answer: I never posted on it [except for one post: the one in agreement with thibault] - my other apparent posts on the 'god' topic were obviously *actually* about pulling the previous poster's leg ;)
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-11-14 19:07:51)
'Experimented players' still here :)
'Experimented players' still aren't corrected.
I look at the right upper corner of site (when I am not logged in yet). And what I see?
Imho, I see some flash animation with rotating sentence (in purple colour under line in blue "Wikichess, open chess repertoire") - "Chess moves explained by experimented players"
It was what I meant previous time. :D
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-11-15 10:24:52)
Curious in Round Robin Final 3
Look at game #23804. What happened? Time violation?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-16 00:11:40)
Loss on time
Hi Wolfgang,
Yes, a loss on time :-/
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-11-16 08:27:13)
Loss on time
Nice to see that special strange time management of some players here sometimes have negative consequences on their own.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2008-11-16 09:35:45)
We do not know, what happen
Well continences happens, I lost almost all my games from a tournament by time ( the one's I did not lose , the opponent forfeited and the other was awarded by Thibault) because I was kidnapped in a carjacking and when I got back to my computer my time expired so as the saying goes s..t happens
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-11-16 14:04:19)
Loss on time
Hello Tano-Urayoán Russi Román,
your kind of destiny hasn't been meant by me. Yor've my sympathy!
Players I've meant are knowing.
Dinesh De Silva (2008-11-16 20:57:27)
Re:
Strange. I thought "experimented players" meant players abducted mysteriously by an elusive Dr Frankenstein, taken to a secret medical lab, experimented on, given a massive electrical shock & transformed into bizarre, horrific monsters.
Don Groves (2008-11-16 23:43:27)
Organizations become evil
Robert Townsend said it best in Up the Organization; that after some period of time, organizations become more concerned with their own survival than whatever it was they were designed to organize.
Combine this with the idea that power corrupts, and we find that all organizations eventually become corrupt and primarily concerned with retaining power at whatever cost.
Don Burden (2008-11-18 01:02:26)
p2p
I use eMule. It's very slow, but seems to be the only way you can get some files. There are very few high quality DVD images and lossless (flac format) music files available. The vast majority are of low quality avi/mpg movies and mp3 music files.
Normajean Yates (2008-11-18 15:29:20)
some more on P2P..
1. to thibault: *enable* encryption, do not *force* encryption [unless you are doing 'private' pre-arranged P2P :) ]. If you force encryption then you will probably get too few peers.
2. P2P: well, until early last year there were no flacs - now there are a few and it will keep growing ;) Also, lots of DVD images - dont you see all those 4.3 GB and 8 GB torrents for *one* film? Just go to http://isohunt.com [for privacy, use https://isohunt.com] and see!
if cue - bin files or .iso files are available you can just play these virtual cd/dvds through daemon-tools or winmount - you need not even burn them!
Normajean Yates (2008-11-18 15:37:20)
rare files and torrent...
Well it is like looking for some particular rare thing in 2nd hand shops / fleamarket.. -- you keep trying every 2-3 months, you get some 'quite' rare files over time if you are lucky...
The frustrating thing is when you find a torrent but it is inactive - no one is seeding --- then you can post requests in newsgroups for someone to seed, and hope for the best..
For example, I have 25% of audio of a Chomsky-Foucault debate [I have the transcript - it is very interesting!] - 12 other people have the same 25% and waiting for someone to seed! [for the last 2 years]
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-19 00:51:01)
Poker Holdem at FICGS !!!
Finally, one of the biggest update this year !
Poker Holdem (or Poker Texas Hold'em) is available at FICGS !
This should be a start for long discussions... It was quite complicated to implement so I hope there will be no bug (please report if necessary). Please do not forget to read the complete rules here :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#poker_holdem
If you estimate you're an experienced player, please just let me know (through the form in My account) and I'll update your "poker holdem ELO" to 1800.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-19 10:13:34)
First poker holdem game
You may now see the very first poker holdem game played at FICGS :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=26171
http://www.ficgs.com/game_26171.html
Of course, many players will prefer the bullet time control (10 minutes + 20 seconds / move).
Michel van der Kemp (2008-11-19 13:35:44)
Gratz
Gratz on implementing. I might give it a go, as long as I am not robbed from my pants.
Benjamin Block (2008-11-19 16:45:12)
Limit poker?
Is it limit poker? If not how do i change how much i want to bet.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-19 16:49:54)
Poker emails
Hello Michel, you mean you don't want to receive poker emails, right ? Well, maybe poker emails aren't as "important" as chess emails, as their volume should increase quickly players. So FICGS may filter all poker emails, what do you think ?
Michel van der Kemp (2008-11-19 16:53:18)
E-mails
It's what I meant. For the time being I have solved it in my mail client to send all poker mails to garbage bin, but it's best to control it on your server. Bandwidth is never unlimited :)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-19 19:36:35)
No limit poker
Sorry Benjamin, I missed your post. No, it is NO LIMIT poker, you can bet from 1 chip to all your chips whenever. You can change it in the form before to send the move.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-20 01:23:06)
Chips
Hi Don, here are the current FICGS rules :
"d. Rules for Poker Holdem (or Poker Texas Hold'em) are official rules. Both players must play until one resign, or game is adjudicated (when one player wins 3 rounds). A poker holdem game is played in 3 winning rounds of 100 chips by player, played in "no limit" mode. The minimal bet is always 1 chip and does not depend on the blind's value. The small blind's value is doubled after the 50th hand, then after the 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th hand (the big blind then is 64 chips)."
No epoints in these tournaments, we play for the rating only.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-20 10:55:47)
Don
Which games are you referring to ? (and which move ?) Sometimes you have to play twice in a row, this is normal (according to the button position).
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-21 00:21:52)
Slow moves / Fast moves
You must be using the slow interface (the fast one is great ;)) .. anyway, I'll try to improve it, at least to make it faster for poker.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-22 13:22:52)
Poker Holdem Championship
Hello all !
The next chess & Go championships waitings lists are now open, this is a good time to share our views for an interesting Poker Holdem world championship scheme (before to open the waiting list)...
It may look like the FICGS Go championship (one round robin tournament involving the 9 highest rated players, then a match between the winner & title holder), or it may be a multi-stages round-robin tournament (with or without a final match).. and so on. What do you think ?
The idea of a cycle looking like the Go championship is that the standard tournaments are in a way also preliminary tournaments of the championship.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-22 22:55:35)
Bug : Poker games 26171 to 26300
A small bug happened in a few Poker games from game 26171 to 26300.
FICGS uses a virtual board to save processor time and avoid to re-calculate all moves to display the current hand, but there was an 'invisible' bug until now : The virtual board may be different from the re-calculated current board in rare cases. Consequently, when you'll look at previous moves in some games, your hand may not be the one you actually played. This bug has no consequences on the result of the game, it shouldn't happen again.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-23 23:45:53)
Implemented
Hi Don. That's now implemented, but it will be online tuesday in the morning only.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-24 14:45:34)
Poker Holdem updates
Hi Ben, yes the update (pocket cards) will take place tomorrow morning.
Michel, I understand the sense of that request in correspondence poker games, but I'm not sure yet, including on the way to do it, IMO the name of the opponent may be enough (well, after all the brain may not be useless :)) .. thinking about it.
Don Groves (2008-11-24 23:43:22)
To Michel & Thibault
I am thinking of doing something to have that information readily available -- possibly a spreadsheet. I agree it's something we need but, as Thibault says, it will very likely be up to our own brains to provide it ;-)
So, Thib, it would help to create a spreadsheet if we could download our games in a format that provides the info in raw form, similar to PGN. Is this asking too much?
Normajean Yates (2008-11-25 20:10:43)
Nunn's suggestion is sound...
Sound suggestion in broad outline: may be some of the details could be improved -
e.g. one potentionally contentious point: how much should the activity bonus be? -
Case in point: Fischer before the 1972 World Chamionships was largely 'inactive' for several years. Turns out one of the things he was doing was playing game after game against himself: an extremely strenuous thing to do...
Normajean Yates (2008-11-25 20:27:58)
Don, no it wouldnt...
Have you seen some of the 'obfuscated c contest' winning entries? Those programs are deliberately obfuscated: while in these ones the obfuscation is a side effect of the goal of keeping program size small.
Now if someone could also incorporate Q-search and forward pruning and the 'standard' extensions within 5000 characters...
On a side note: program optimisation [below algorithm level] also obfuscates code - I know: I was consulted as program optimisation specialist from 1988-1991. But *there* one *keeps* the original slow-but-structured version, only commented out. In fact, one '#define's a boolean switch in a small file; so that with a one-character change in that file one can switch between the structured code and and the fast code.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-25 21:05:07)
micro-Max
Very impressive :)
Don Groves (2008-11-26 05:04:17)
Pocket cards
But if the best hand contains one of the hole cards, which it almost always will, then we don't see *all* the cards.
Can't you simply reshow the previous screen shot with both sets of hole cards exposed? Then the view will be just as it is at a real table.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-26 11:04:55)
Pocket cards
As it is a turn based server, not so easy to see 2 full tables in a single screen also without creating confusion IMO :/ .. That's a problem, thinking about it.
Benjamin Block (2008-11-26 15:41:54)
Two time?
with no cheat and no program error?
Four of a kind already at this site it is very good.
I have only get 4 of one kind 3 times in my live. Two with 6 and 1 with 9. My best hand ever is with four 9.
I did have fluch one time but my oppenent did have royal fluch :(
Francisco Gramajo (2008-11-26 19:19:39)
Fold button needed.
Some times, the cards dealt are so bad, not even worth it to play.
Please add a fold button at the showdown.
Let me fold 7-2 by the way, pls...
Michael Sharland (2008-11-26 20:32:17)
Time controls for Holdem
It seems clear that most holdem tournaments are going to require 200-600 moves to complete. This seems to indicate that the time control probably needs to be accelerated from 1 move / day in order to finish these in a reasonable time. Given that the thinking time needed for poker is only a few seconds rather than hours or days, the time needed for a move should be much less than for Chess or Go.
Some ideas might be to:
1) reduce the time control further to 1 move / 12 hours or even less.
2) cap the maximum days at 30 or so.
3) change the format to 2 out of 3 rather than 3 out of 5.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-11-26 21:58:40)
Time controls for Holdem
Correspondence time controls (> 1 day) are very delicate to manage. If we set an increment inferior to 1 day, it may provoke some problems with a few players trying to find some tricks to win on time or at least to keep a time pressure on their opponents (most players sleep during the night yet :)). With the current time control, most players still seem to play fastly and, of course, do not hope to win on time. And last but not least, this is much less stressful than rapid chess tournaments :)
However the maximum days could be inferior for poker, that's right, but let's see... I'm not sure it is really necessary to change something yet.
Don Groves (2008-11-26 23:09:47)
Spreadsheet
The download would only apply to hands that end with a showdown and would only be available after the hand was finished. So no info about hole cards would be available until then.
I can do this without a download file but that means taking the time to record every bet/call/raise and the cards themselves and this info is already available to you.
Maybe on the back burner for when you have nothing to do <ha-ha, some joke, right?>
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-11-28 10:02:54)
:)
Still 'experimented'
Normajean Yates (2008-11-29 04:04:33)
suggested improvement in game->wikichess
At present, for any game, only the current position can be searched in wikichess with one click. That too only if it is your move. So,
(a) In current position, if it is opponent's move you cannot one-click-wikichess-search.
Also, (b) therefore other people's games cannot be one-click-wikichess-searched.
(c) Further, But if you click on an earlier move, you can see the diagram of the earlier position, but you cannot one-click-wikichess-search that position.
So, suggested improvement: implement 'ocwcs' (one-click-wikichess-search) for a,b and c.
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-11-30 11:43:57)
Is Marshall attack ....
... good enough for a win on high level correspondence chess???
You can make your own mind with a look at 4 games of WCH_CANDIDATES_FINAL_000002 (# 23018, 23019, 23020, 23021) where Black played an unusual defence which could have fundamental importance of judgement this opening!
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-11-30 14:27:33)
Not Main Line
12. g3 Bd6 13. Re1 Bf5 14. d4 Qd7
is not
12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Bf5 14. Nd2 Qd7
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-11-30 18:48:14)
Caire - Utesch
Thibault, in accordance to your rules I have to avoid any loss in all games of the match. So I decided to play defences with Black where the risk is lower, because general endgame ideas are more important than tactical play with many figures.
Andrew Stephenson (2008-12-01 08:15:20)
Marshall to win..
At cc no real chance for a black win but not easy for white to get much chance either. Although I dont know if many cc players want to go through the extended end game suffering Wolfgang seems to enjoy :)15...a5!? looks like a simpler less masochistic way to get the draw rather than Wolfgangs 15...Rae8 Still why Caire plays exactly the same variation of the Marshall in all 4 white games????? - against a higher rated opponent it makes no match sense at all. I suppose your not going to lose games on time playing the same variation:):)
Marc Lacrosse (2008-12-01 08:45:01)
To Andrew
"(...)why Caire plays exactly the same variation of the Marshall in all 4 white games????? - against a higher rated opponent it makes no match sense at all. I suppose your not going to lose games on time playing the same variation:)"
Hi Andrew in my FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_3__000005 playing the exact same variation in my four black games was the key to win the match: all four were drawn whereas I managed to win 3.5/4 in my four white games (with four variations of one of these silly sideline sicilians you seem not to praise too much).
... what is the optimal strategy for these matches remains to be determined. The "all-draws-favors-higher-rating" rule is very interesting. I like it very much.
Marc
Don Groves (2008-12-01 09:09:34)
Game 26311
Hi, Thibault -- Strange game. I just won all his chips and the next hand shows 16 chips in the pot for me, none for him, and wants me to choose between Raise, Call, and Fold?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-01 15:39:31)
Why not both strategies ?
IMO both strategies may be the best one, according to the context, the opponent and other personal factors at a given time. It will be always interesting to think about it in any context, I like it :)
Garvin Gray (2008-12-01 16:34:39)
Thibault creates problems for himself :)
famous last words hehe
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-12-01 18:53:45)
Why not both strategies ?
I have been surprised also about my opponent's strategy - 4 games the same opening - but it can work sometimes. I don't know whether another strategy would have been better? I think Francois has been surprised also about my answer 1.e4 e5 four times. In the past I prefered 1.e4 c5 mostly. The openings beside Marshall attack for the other games has been very well prepared by my opponent.
Ulrich Imbeck (2008-12-01 20:26:26)
15...a5!?
"15...a5!? looks like a simpler less masochistic way to get the draw rather than Wolfgangs 15...Rae8"
means
12. g3 Bd6 13. Re1 Bf5 14. d4 Qd7 15.Le3 a5
Don Groves (2008-12-01 22:03:23)
Not exactly, but...
Wouldn't it be simpler to just re-show the final screen with all cards exposed? This would then appear to the players exactly as it appears on an actual table. This screen could have an "OK" button for the players to advance to the next hand.
This way there is never a question of both players seeing the final result of all hands.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-01 23:13:42)
True but...
That's right but I've to make some deep changes to do this.. not exactly simple :) .. I'll think about it (which doesn't exactly means "no, thanks" :)).
Don Groves (2008-12-02 00:29:32)
Deep changes
Thanks, Thib. Until the next time you have time for "deep changes" ... ;-)
Andrew Stephenson (2008-12-02 16:21:04)
Drugs in chess
I have read views of players who claimed that there are prescription drugs (eg modafinil) that enhance concentration and thus performance in chess tournaments - significant improvement but not dramatic. However even small improvements could prove extremely useful at the top levels. Of course no one would ever admit it but I assume if there is some effectiveness then some top players will definitely be taking them. Drug testing at the higher levels is quite reasonable if chess is seeking olympic status.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-02 20:07:17)
Update : challenges & move send
Hello all,
It is now possible to challenge a player for a chess, Go or Poker holdem game ! You can choose the game by clicking the pictures near "Challenge a player" in My games, you can also change the 'challenges' option in Preferences. This is an important improvement as advanced poker & Go games are a faster way to improve ratings ie. in order to qualify for the FICGS poker holdem & Go championships. (advanced chess has its own rating, different from the correpondence chess rating)
Also a new improvement in the 'move send' process, it should be much faster now, please report any bug if you notice one.
Don Groves (2008-12-02 23:09:05)
Speaking of doping
Lance Armstrong says he will ride in next year's Tour de France. Gives the judges one more chance to catch him doping ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-03 11:52:54)
Armenia wins the Olympiads
Round 11 results :
Bo. 7 France (FRA) Rtg
-
4 Azerbaijan (AZE) Rtg
1,5 : 2,5
6.1 GM Bacrot Etienne 2705
-
GM Radjabov Teimour 2752
½-½
6.2 GM Vachier-Lagrave Maxime 2716
-
GM Mamedyarov Sh. 2731
½-½
6.3 GM Fressinet Laurent 2676
-
GM Gashimov Vugar 2703
½-½
6.4 GM Tkachiev Vladislav 2664
-
GM Huseynov Gadir 2650
0-1
Final results after round 11 :
Rk. Team Code Games + = - TB1 TB2 TB3 TB4
1 Armenia ARM 11 9 1 1 19 400,5 152,0 31,0
2 Israel ISR 11 8 2 1 18 377,5 149,0 28,0
3 USA USA 11 8 1 2 17 362,0 146,0 29,0
4 Ukraine UKR 11 7 3 1 17 348,5 163,0 25,5
5 Russia RUS 11 7 2 2 16 375,0 156,0 27,0
6 Azerbaijan AZE 11 7 2 2 16 359,5 147,0 29,0
7 China CHN 11 7 2 2 16 357,5 150,0 27,0
8 Hungary HUN 11 7 2 2 16 341,5 140,0 27,5
9 Vietnam VIE 11 7 2 2 16 340,0 137,0 29,0
10 Spain ESP 11 7 2 2 16 337,5 142,0 27,5
22 France FRA 11 6 2 3 14 295,0 147,0 25,0
Don Groves (2008-12-04 04:15:29)
Game 26311 all in
My opponent is all in yet I had to check and now the game is waiting for him to check. Shouldn't the hand be dealt out now?
Don Groves (2008-12-04 04:18:21)
one more thing about this...
Possibly the problem is due to my opponent being all-in on the blind. Maybe this is the first time that has happened?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-04 14:07:30)
First time and...
Hi Don, yes this is probably the first time... 101 hands for the first round ! Congrats :)
Well, the problem is : There may be several hands played without any other choice for both players than to check when the blind is superior to the stack of one player... So we even wouldn't see the result of some hands if we don't play at all :/
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-04 17:33:15)
Experimented
I think about it... I can fix it today ;) Thx
Normajean Yates (2008-12-04 23:21:31)
Prof T. de Vassal-Frankenstein retires:)
after, um, *liquidating* the experimented players??? ;) [or, perhaps just re-education camp therapy for them :)]
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-05 00:08:09)
Guinea pigs you are ! :)
:o) ...... FICGS, chess experiments on experienced players.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-05 01:06:02)
FIDE Grand Prix & WCH
Magnus Carlsen withdraws from the FIDE Grand Prix 2008-2009
From Magnus Carlsen chess blog - http://blog.magnuschess.com
"We have just informed FIDE by e-mail that Magnus withdraws from the Grand Prix series due to the dramatic change to these regulations approved by the General Assembly. (...) Magnus is simply not motivated to continue the GP series with the dramatically changed conditions approved in Dresden, and the uncertainty related to any future changes that may be decided by FIDE."
Just another 'Grandmaster attack' to the Federation Internationale Des Echecs...
Don Groves (2008-12-05 23:23:13)
Game 26311
Yes. That was the first time I saw the results of that hand.
Sorry, but I have already played more moves there before I saw your answer.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-06 14:04:50)
Hotmail / Gmail / Yahoo... inviter
Hi Hannes, I just added the tool but of course in a few hours / days it will be possible to add anyone by entering his email address.
The point of this hotmail / gmail / yahoo / aol / indiantimes (and so on..) inviter is only to gain time by identifying all your friends in one click -and to spread the message easily- .. (all emails are stored in FICGS database only) this kind of tool is used by major social networks like MySpace, Hi5 and others...
Also it will be possible to gain Epoints by using it.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-06 15:21:14)
Rybka 4, Fritz 12, Hiarcs 13 & future...
What about a small point on chess engines ?
A few months ago, it was quite predictable to me that Chessbase engines (well, Rybka 3 actually also is a Chessbase engine now) like Fritz, Shredder & Hiarcs were dedicated to catch Rybka in the computer chess rating lists.
The current CEGT 40/20 (AMD 4200+) rating list shows :
Rybka 3 x64 4CPU 3202
Rybka 2.3.2a x64 4CPU 3079
Deep Fritz 11 4CPU 3031
Zappa Mexico II x64 4CPU 3022
Shredder WM Edition Bonn 4CPU 3011
Naum 3.1 x64 4CPU 3011
Hiarcs 12 MP 4CPU 2968
In other words, Rybka 3 always has a quite large advance, but all other ones filled the major part of the gap with Rybka 2.3.2, including free chess engines. What future for chess engines now ? What kind of improvement can we expect from Rybka 4, Fritz 12, Shredder 12, Hiarcs 13 and co. ?
IMO one future version in theory may reach 3600 or more in such rating lists (which probably doesn't mean anything compared to the human rating list) but the interest of programmers may now decrease in this race where efforts/money can be compared to the grandmasters involvement to enter the elo top 100... What do you think ?
Andrew Stephenson (2008-12-06 21:51:23)
Reaching a peak
My gut feeling is that rating improvements will tail off and we will not see any program crack 3400. I dont know the sales figures but looking for example at New In chess analysis by Carlsen he seems to use only Rybka and perhaps this program is becoming completely dominant among GM's. Perhaps the biggest impact will be hardware improvements allowing faster deeper analysis. This will mean fewer points missed and quicker conclusions as the time needed for the program to dig into the position shortens. You can still see examples of theoretical analysis in recent New in Chess Year books where misjudgements have been made because they needed to keep the program running a bit longer to see the evaluation flip but I think this will decrease ........
Wolfgang Utesch (2008-12-06 23:15:27)
Game #23794
another time violation?
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-08 19:33:05)
Levon Aronian's open letter
Now Levon Aronian comments the latest FIDE's decisions in an open letter :
"(...) With the GA's recent actions, it seems that there is a democratic deficit within FIDE. The GA did not consult the players currently taking part in the Grand Prix in their decision processes. Please keep in mind a very important point – these players, including myself, have a legally binding agreement with FIDE regarding the World Championship cycle and the Grand Prix. Therefore it is FIDE's duty to consult the other party of the contract – the participants.
Does this mean that the chess players have lesser rights than others? The GA appears to act with no concern for the players. The decision to suddenly change the World Championship cycle has damaging effects on the career plans of leading chess players. It is also reasonable to ask: why should we go through several tournaments over several years and fight for a place in a tournament that another player gets by losing a match? The GA's decisions remove the motivation for players like myself to take part in the World Championship cycle."
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5059
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-10 00:13:19)
Email inviter
It is now possible to add friends by entering their emails (unlimited). It also sends an invitation to them by email.
See "My messages" (bottom -> email mode) for more details.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-10 18:39:52)
FICGS for mobile phone !
FICGS is now available with a slight interface for mobile phone (that can connect to internet, ie. Iphone, Google Phone, Blackberry, Samsung player...)
You may try it there :
http://www.ficgs.com/mobile.html
Feel free to make any suggestion to improve it.
Thanks to Hervé for his help :)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-10 19:39:04)
Rune Vik-Hansen's article on Chessbase
Chessbase just published a long article by the Norwegian philosopher Rune Vik-Hansen (graduated from the University of Tromsø in 1999 with a thesis on Heidegger's concept of Dasein) on consciousness and development of chess skills.
"Conscious memory", "Pattern recognition", "Pattern vs. Structure", "Exformation", "Chess Improvement", "Conceptual problems"...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5055
What do you think about it ?
Normajean Yates (2008-12-11 01:46:47)
my response...
Excellent, thought provoking article.
About subconscious thinking - I am in two minds: as an existentialist I am uncomfortable with the concept: yet there are memory/thought acts which bear no other explanation yet. The famous existentialist psychiatrist R.D.Laing who applied Sartre's work to psychiatry, also did not dwell on this issue, really..
I believe it is partly volition, partly innate - the innate part being proneness to 'subconscious', involuntary and in particular obsessive-compulsive thought patterns in OCD or in certain bipolar depressive states [I am bipolar depressive type 2], which responds to high-dose fluoxetine...
I am more comfortable with the part of the article I quote in the next paragraph, although there no reason we should have a specifically '*chess* pattern-recogniser organ' [1] - more likely we have an innate but more general 'chessy' pattern-recogniser-faculty ('organ') which takes in chess too. [our music-hearing faculty i.e. the ear can hear music, but not only music..] *This* is what the author Rune Vik-Hansen means, I am certain.
[from the article:] 'Playing on Noam Chomsky’s LAD, or Language Acquisition Device, we might say that chess players are guided and supported by a, perhaps slightly Kantian sounding, CAD; “Chess Acquisition Device, making is possible to display sound chess judgment which foundation is the subtle interplay between knowing what to keep and what to discard among triggered moves and in the final part of this article, we will have a closer look as how to increase and improve our chess judgment to form better decisions over the board.'
I will only add that subsequent investigations and deeper questioning of de Groot's subjects (experimented chessplayers? ;-) ) has shown that this faculty/device/organ is less important to chess ability than de Groot thought...
[1] I am calling this presumed faculty/device an 'organ', just like Noam Chomsky occasionally does [in his *linguistics* output, not in his *political* output! :)] - even if you choose to think of it as just a metaphor, it is a very hepful and suggestive metaphor.
Philip Roe (2008-12-11 15:32:43)
Interesting for sure..
Impressive, not so much.
He seems to make a big distinction between conscious and unconscious thought with no real justification. The fact that electrical activity can be detected prior to awareness does not tell us much. Daniel Dennett's "Consciousness Explained"
is the most satisfactory account that I have read, and his "multiple drafts"
theory is not unlike Runes, except that it allows for a more sophisticated interaction. Roughly, the conscious mind sets goals "I want to attack on the k-side" and the subconscious suggests means "How about Qh5" which the conscious rejects or selects for
further review by setting a new goal " Lets see if Qh5 works". By ignoring this interplay Rune creates difficulties from which he cannot extricate himself. And Dennett also asks himself much tougher questions like "why is there consciousness at all? What evolutionary purpose could it serve?"
Interestingly, the subconscious seldom suggests really silly ideas, like Qh5 if there is a pawn on g6 and nothing else going on. Indeed, the filtering out of "non-candidates" can be quite impressive. I recall a moment from the BBC TV series The Master Game.
Bill Hartston, an IM and a psychologist, was momentarily taken aback by an unexpected move made by his (weaker) opponent. "Why didn't I see that?" A few seconds later "Oh, that's why I didn't see it!" (the move involved an unsound combination)
Hartston was about to coauthor a book on chess psychology with John Wason, and his remark was not entirely in jest.
Hartston was suggesting, by his remarks,
that he could usually trust his unconscious not to show him anything irrelevant. That, to my mind, is one of the things that characterizes a strong player. The irrelevant moves just don't
occur to them.
So then what about blunders? Well, the system is very fallible. It IS just made of meat, and the real surprise is that blunders do not occur more often. But the blunders made by strong players
seem different from the blunders made by rabbits. They are usually relevant to something, but they have a hole in them. I dont see anything at all about Runes proposals that would eliminate blunders, except through the indirect route of making you a stronger player.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-12 11:04:23)
Quote festival, part 5
Time for a new quotes festival ?
Don't hesitate to share your own quotes, the FICGS quotes file like it :)
BTW, I just read this one on a car this morning : "You think that education is too expensive ? Try ignorance."
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-12 15:56:50)
Now Michael Adams...
Open Letter from Michael Adams
"I have regretfully withdrawn from the whole Grand Prix series. Some of the reasons I took this decision are the sudden switch of venues at very late notice, the replacement of players whose results thus far will affect the results of the whole Grand Prix both in terms of prize money and World Championship qualification and the fact that when I made my decision the status of some of the future GP events was still unclear.
The changes to the World Championship cycle also concern me as making major changes to a cycle in progress in such a sudden manner is very undesirable. There also seems to be no guarantee that further changes will not be made in a similar manner in the future. The changes are obviously immediately very negative for all Grand Prix participants but also in general it seems to me that the rewards for success in such tough events as the Grand Prix or the World Cup are now much too minimal."
Michael Adams
11th December 2008
Next ?
Don Groves (2008-12-13 00:15:45)
My €0.02
I greatly appreciate the "exformation" concept -- but the person who coined the term got it backwards! In a human communication, "in-formation" should refer to inner (unstated) data and "ex-formation" (from the Greek prefix 'exo-') should refer to outer (stated) data. Now we are stuck forever with yet another mis-defined term.
The author didn't cover the importance of visualization, i.e., the ability to "see" how the board will look after a series of future moves. For me, this is the biggest stumbling block to improvement in OTB chess. This type of visualization seems to me to be a conscious function as opposed to subconscious.
In discussing blunders, the author failed to point out time pressure as a primary cause. Again, this is a problem created by conscious awareness.
Stanislas Gounant (2008-12-13 01:52:18)
an article about FICGS on wikipedia IT
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/FICGS
I'm very surprise. I have not imagine that FICGS was a encyclopedic Thing. lol
On the discussion page the author write: FICGS is one of the most important organisation of correspondance chess.
Is it true ?
Normajean Yates (2008-12-13 14:50:13)
it is true. :)
" 'FICGS is one of the most important organisation of correspondance chess.' Is it true ?"
It is true! Or at least, we hope it becomes true!
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-13 23:42:25)
FICGS poker holdem championship
The waiting list for the 1st FICGS poker holdem championship is open, as all ratings are not established, the rating limit has been changed to 1600.
Only the 9 highest rated players at the beginning of the tournament (february 1, 2009) will play it, consequently the best way to improve your rating before the deadline is probably to play POKER HOLDEM BULLET BRONZE games (you may use the challenge function in My games).
The current rules :
"FICGS world poker holdem championship is a 2 stages tournament. First stage is a single round-robin tournament, involving the 9 highest rated players who entered the waiting list. The winner of this tournament is the challenger for FICGS world champion title. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage. If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account. If current world champion defends his title, he will play a 5 games match (3 games with White, 2 games with Black) against his challenger.
All games are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. Rules for poker holdem are official rules. You may find more information about the FICGS betting structure in FICGS rules. Both players must play until one resign or game is adjudicated. One game is played in 3 winning rounds of 100 chips by player played in no limit mode. The minimal bet is always 1 chip and does not depend on the blind's value. The small blind's value is doubled after the 50th hand, then after the 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th hand (the big blind then is 64 chips) of each round."
Don Groves (2008-12-15 01:57:22)
A suggestion
Bonjour, Thibault
There are many players here who like to play several moves per week and there are others who sometimes play less than one move per week until forced to move faster by their clock. There are even a few who don't move at all (or rarely) until their clock is red.
Would it be too much work to make another tournament classification? The time control would be 7 days plus 7 days more for each 3 moves, up to a maximum of 7 days. In other words, each player must make a minimum of 3 moves per week.
Those players who can't, or won't, move that often can play in the standard tournaments. Those of us who like to move more often can play in the faster tournaments. Everyone is happy ;-)
Normajean Yates (2008-12-15 03:40:42)
another suggestion
The slowest time controls on offer are too fast for some people.
Could there be a separate category - say 80 days/10 moves, 80 days fischer-increment after each 10-move block; up to 200 days accumulation-ceiling?
Don Groves (2008-12-15 04:05:25)
Why disagree?
I'm not suggesting any changes to the current time controls, just a faster control for those of us who like to get games over with sooner than 100+ days.
Also, this is not anything like blitz, lightening, etc. It is merely a time control that allows correspondence games to be played at modern speeds. I've had snail mail (postcard) games that were faster than some games I've had here ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-15 14:39:56)
Disagree at a first sight
Hi Don,
I think that's too dangerous for the ratings 'cause many players would like to play this fast correspondence time control until they accumulate too many games (playing such a time control may show an addiction already), finally general forfeit and rest in peace far away :)
It happened already to many players with the rapid rapid time control (10 days + 1 day / move, limit 60 days). Moreover, blitz time controls are not played enough yet and that's a pity IMO, that's now a nice alternative and I'd like to promote it.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2008-12-15 12:22:46)
More hydra ...
This time seriously, I have got an old version here:
http://tonythomas.mylivepage.com/file/240/5286
I have played with it using Arena but this old version seems not as strong as Toga.
Marc Lacrosse (2008-12-15 12:26:29)
You are abused by a mediocre clone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(chess)
The machine described there relies on a 64 PCs cluster, each PC being equipped with specially designed FPGA hardware cards for chess processing.
So there is no sense in asking "do you use the hydra engine?" : the hydra engine proper won't run on anything else than its dedicated hardware.
At the time Hydra had just beaten a few GMs, there appeared a so-called Hydra engine in dubious sites. This was soon proven to be a mere clone of the Fruit engine, completely unrelated with the true Hydra machine.
This is what you may still find on sites like the TommyThomas one.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-15 14:46:04)
slower time control
Adding a new category with slower time controls has been discussed already and I'm quite favourable to this. I may add it in a while, but we still need more players in a few categories before that moment ("working on", as Dr. Frankenstein building new players ;))
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-15 19:17:56)
so Deep Blue...
Just my 2 cents, I'm far to be prof. of anything ! :)
Anyway, I think it is admitted now that we have reached the point where brute force can't fight anymore against knowledge, actually the processor speed is probably becoming less and less important. (but the respect of your new quad proc, Don ;))
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-15 19:20:27)
Waiting for...
.. your blood & brain sample, Normajean :)
I'm sure I can make nice experiences ! oops.. experiments ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-15 19:34:43)
Elista Grand Prix starts
Finally a category 19 tournament started in "City Chess" - Elista, Kalmykia.
The participants :
1
Radjabov
Teimour
AZE
2751
2
Leko
Peter
HUN
2747
3
Jakovenko
Dmitry
RUS
2737
4
Wang
Yue
CHN
2736
5
Mamedyarov
Shakhriyar
AZE
2731
6
Eljanov
Pavel
UKR
2720
7
Grischuk
Alexander
RUS
2719
8
Alekseev
Evgeny
RUS
2715
9
Bacrot
Etienne
FRA
2705
10
Gashimov
Vugar
AZE
2703
11
Cheparinov
Ivan
BUL
2696
12
Akopian
Vladimir
ARM
2679
13
Kasimzhanov
Rustam
UZB
2672
14
Inarkiev
Ernesto
RUS
2669
Without Anand, Kramnik, Topalov, Adams, Carlsen...
Don Groves (2008-12-16 01:21:06)
Ten day time control?
I can't find such a thing. Where is it?
You could prohibit more than one 7 day time control tournament at the same time.
That would diminish the problem of too many games.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2008-12-16 06:38:20)
Reply to Monsieur De Vassal
"Anyway, I think it is admitted now that we have reached the point where brute force can't fight anymore against knowledge, actually the processor speed is probably becoming less and less important."
I disagree as the Rybka engine is being used in a 40 core cluster for their latest tournaments. It is not the brute force approach but hardware is progressing faster than software so developers must maybe redesign their products to be able to use the full potential of the hardware advantages(in this example parallelization).
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2008-12-16 06:43:01)
Alternatives
If you want fast games why not play the 2 hour blitz?
Isn't the idea of correspondance games to have time to analysis in depth?
I find at least my opponents play to fast, do they really make a concise analysis of a game?
Don Groves (2008-12-16 11:06:48)
Blitz is not the same
Blitz games require you to play the game in one session. That can be difficult when players are in widely separated time zones.
What I am proposing still allows complete analysis of each move, just that the moves must be made more quickly than longer time controls.
I realize this will not suit everyone, but no one other than those who want faster games has to play. It's just another option for those of us who would use it, just as is blitz.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-16 11:12:07)
Rapid time control
Sorry, I meant 30 days + 1 day / move :/
I suppose that it is possible to find a compromise theorically, but it adds some rules and restrictions... I'm still not favourable to this.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-16 11:17:29)
40 cores
That's true, we'll have some surprises yet in this area. But the more chess knowledge, the less impact the processor's speed, I'm not sure that the score of Rybka was so impressive because of her hardware. But I agree that "admitted" was a bit strong :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2008-12-16 11:20:02)
2 Thibault
Imho, it is impossible to find such line.
Normajean Yates (2008-12-16 15:39:59)
no no it is legally reachable..
This is much easier to reach than many much more impossible-looking positions.
If I gave it to one person who plays on chess.com and fics, he would give a proof-game in 10 minutes: [the 16-queens mate-in-4 problem i posted a few months back - see problems - he gave a proof game in 10 minutes. Then I asked him to construct a position with 18 Qs, he did it in 5 more minutes.]
But I have had severe political differences with him - I am not on talking terms with him now.
The trick is do not try retroanalysis. construct from the beginning!
Normajean Yates (2008-12-16 20:17:42)
oh sorry, it is obviously impossible!
Since no captures have been made, the pawns could not have legally crossed each other. you cannot even have a white pawn on e5 and a black pawn on e4 if no captures have been made.
Since the position is unreachable, it must be considered a chess variant, not a 'thematic'.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2008-12-16 20:54:35)
Brute force
Not in the primitive bean counters but engines like Rybka and Zappa, Naum are fast searchers, and they benefit a lot from powerful and multiple cpus.
Normajean Yates (2008-12-17 03:53:02)
small improvement suggestion..
Don groves sent message with prev move; I was ready for reply to move so - i noticed the envelope icon but by that time I had made the move in a reflex action.. and the message disappeared! So I couldnt read it..
It would be nice if opponent's message stayed until opponent made next move.
Normajean Yates (2008-12-17 04:15:15)
Game 26099 - fit case for adjudication?
Game 26099 Salinas - Yates 13...Qe1# {mate} - more than 50 hours ago. On my checkmating move I had sent request to resign.
Salinas posted this in international chat: [I am pasting:]
"salinas marcelo :
congratulation ..nice victory Norma.
(2008-12-16 00:31:15)"
So he has sent 'final friendly message' also. But in international chat, *not* with resignation! He has *still* not resigned.
If you click 'more messages' and scroll down international chat, you'll see that I had - immediatety after his message, politely explained that he had to resign.
Salinas has blocked private messages.
I feel that all this is annoying and unfriendly, so the game should be adjudicated. (since the purpose of NOT having automatic checkmate-recognition is NOT being served, but the feature is being abused by opponent.)
What do you people think? What is the precedent/convention for such a case on ficgs?
Thibault, adjudicate?
Normajean Yates (2008-12-17 15:23:46)
I only asked him to resign because..
he might not know that he has to resign!
Thibault I see the psychological truth of your observation - thats why I was interested in precedents/conventions! - but Salinas is 40+ years old - such childish behaviour! [Do *some* *men* never grow up? ;)]
I wanted this to be complete because I am doing year-end closure of things... including putting these games into scid. It was annoying that I had to edit it to show 0-1 instead of unfinished!
Thanks for the adjudication --- if it wasnt yearend - vacation and festive time approaching - I would not have bothered you [I think :)] ..
Benjamin Block (2008-12-22 08:01:19)
No time!
When i did it did´nt take any time. I just checked and all the e-points was there.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-23 16:24:15)
Inviter mode
I understand that but be sure I wouldn't take any risk on this, no passwords nor usernames are stored, and there is no way to catch it, particularly if you use the SSL (https://) mode. I can't even know your password at FICGS -which may be the same- that is encrypted with a complex function. Security has always been an important issue for me, I know that many sites using this kind of inviter (often related to MSN) then use passwords to send spam & virus.. that's not the case here.
Only the emails are stored to locate your friends, definitely it makes no sense to give Epoints in the 'email mode'.. anyone may enter bob.. , bob2.. , bob3.. and so on. Sorry about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-24 14:19:19)
Pichelin - Utesch
Hi Wolfgang. Congratulations... Two very different styles to meet in a marathon 12 games match ! .. I'm impatient to see it.
Have a nice preparation :)
Merry Christmas to you all.
Matteo Tognela (2008-12-25 16:56:46)
Small Linux script - pgn to clipboard
I know it's not of vital importance... but looking for some more automatic way to copy to clipboard the moves from a game window, say to be pasted into db software, I I've written this little bash script.
(this requires xclip to be installed; for the rest I make reference to gnome&firefox, but it should work also in other environments)
#!/bin/bash
#content of grabpgn
xclip -i -selection clipboard $1
exit
...chmode +x grabpgn, and then associate the extension pgn to be opened with it (in gnome it's quite easy, but for sure there's some conf file where you can do it manually)
Then from a game window, click the "download" button, and in the dialog box, select "open" and check "always perform this action on similar files".
Done! now when you hit "Download" you end up with the game in your clipboard, ready to be pasted wherever you want.
(you can still download it with a right click on the link)
Gultekin Gumusyazici (2008-12-28 17:25:10)
Chess rating system and Suat Atalik
Primitive Chess Game rules still applied through world competitions does not represent capacity and skills of human brain but a useless rating system that only orders whose photographic memory is higher to cheat others detail improvisions.
I just want to present a past time memory about this hypo.
Suat Atalik Number 1 rated Master Skill here in FICGS was opponent to me
at a simulation of 25 person at Middle East university when he gets fame.
I have started a very defensive game to make him bored crazy. But those boring behaviours caused him to lose
his Queen and game next 3 moves.
What is most interesting that, His Photografic memory aworns him after
he made his moves and passes 3 more players after me. Then, While i congragulate myself with some fucking hand moves, he stood there where he froze and came back to my desk disobeying order. There he stood against me and made his pose as he just
remembered something.
While I was pretending My man there is no hope for just fuck off he hehhehehe,
He asked Ahh sorry i made some misplacement, let go 3 move back and evaluate this situation again.
Man, I am just human I am not machine or Computer Memory.
I can not fight against bots. it is insane.
So I let him score back knowing I am Winner not loser.
Loser he is loser the system he tries to success on.
Chess System applied to rate people with such communities only applies a fake counts depends on bots photoprahic
memories.
And It tries to neglect Humans sensitive intentions on variations.
There exist no bot yet to evaluate humans preferences at a game with advanced chess rules.
Do not you ask me what is those advanced chess rules. Just Imagine them
as not bots can do.
And Cheating is applied on determined systems. Cheating belongs to bots and
botminds.
Sincerely,
Best Chess player nEverknown
Gultekin Gumusyazici (2008-12-28 18:18:43)
Thibault de Vassal
Just Remember Kasparovs's complain about deepblue (bot-robot). He cried "This machine steals my photographic memory and plays as me."
Chess game with common rulez has turned game determines winners whose memory realizes most likely picture of usual games. This is bot behaviour.
Cheating is about neglecting improvements that is not common at pictures adopted as most likely winner moves.
I always try unusual moves to surprize bots. At start I success but then bots
leads game to other direction where most likely picture occurs by not doing move they fail. That is bot cheat. As Atalik has taken moves back.
Gultekin Gumusyazici (2008-12-28 18:24:18)
Primitive chess rules
it is not allowed anything goes behaviour as man do.
Accept it that Chess played at common
has so primitive rules to reflect human mind.
Gultekin Gumusyazici (2008-12-28 18:57:50)
Advanced chess game project
A. Primitives about common chess.
1-Although there is at least 50 more variation of chess game. They are not
evaluated as common as standard.(Since they have no software with bot players
that is strong as human at those variations, And Standart chess players have no tendency for them cause they re not up enough yet with that stupid standart chess game which is most suitable for software. Or might them be less intelligent as expected?)
2-Rules are rules even they are meaningless.
3-It reflects only bi-dimentional thinking.
4-Mostly depend on probability. (Remind
you that probabiliy is a tool applied only known data- "not unknown")
5-No one complains much. (That is Conservation, And it is against the realization of Universe and science).
6-..............
To start with responsing against me please fill your facts about chess here.
Then we can evaluate fact about chess.
To develop advanced chess rules that mostly suits human to enlight his abilities not robots.
Gultekin Gumusyazici (2008-12-30 17:18:11)
I am full concerned about it that
Chess is an Statistical game not mathematical. .
As,
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. (Wind stone at Church hill) say.
That is why bot players need statistical image databases.
Bradley Small (2008-12-30 21:20:28)
RTFM I guess
Blaming it on the layout is probably a lame excuse, but it is all I can use. I really must have overlooked that page.
As for what is allowed, I will let that be my guide. However, for what is expected, what do most people do as a matter of strategy?
For instance, when it is one's time to move... Do you go to the databases and research each move, or simply play from your own head unless you just don't feel like you see a good move? Or somethign else?...
Thibault de Vassal (2008-12-31 00:37:01)
One player, one strategy...
I suppose everyone has a personal idea on this, it all depends on the time you want to spend on each move. The very best players obviously use Rybka 3, recent databases and may search games played by their opponents (you may use the "Search games" option) to avoid the openings they master.
Normajean Yates (2009-01-01 13:01:53)
0 days in 'my vacation'
and it is only 1 january! how? Where is my 30 days vacation time for this year? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-01 21:52:17)
Rating limit
Salut Don, très bonne année à toi ;)
The POKER HOLDEM rating limit for the championship is 1600 (3 points more:)) because of the rules of the tournament. You shouldn't have many problems to reach it before february 1st (you may play a few rated bullet games also) :)
Normajean Yates (2009-01-01 22:37:28)
'has' is the convention..
'everybody has' is correct.
'everybody have' would suggest [better with comma - like 'everybody, have'] - that *usually* ficgs doesn't give vacation time, but you are giving a one-time gift of vacation time, only for this year. :)
Bradley Small (2009-01-03 05:29:24)
Dumber question than my last
The best I can find is that all moves are to be sent to the server. How specifically do I make a move? Do I simply reply to the email that I received telling me the previous move? And what is this GUI that I hear speak of, as none of them I see am I able to move any pieces?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-03 19:02:44)
A world champion with no privilege ?!
... finally, looks like even the top GM are decided to kill the show in the FIDE WCH cycle :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5129
>> Address by Mr Henrik Carlsen on behalf of GM Magnus Carlsen
"(...) In a future Magnus would like to see a world championship cycle with a minimum of privileges, or no privileges at all.
(...) What about the privileges of the reigning World Champion? This is a difficult question but we see strong arguments for reducing the privileges drastically or even abolishing them outright. In the past, with the right to a re-match, a reigning world champion had about 75% chance of retaining the title against an evenly strong opponent, leaving only 25% chance for all the remaining chess players in the world. It was ridiculous. Even without rematches, the 50% chance of today strongly favours the reigning champion. This may have made sense in the past when there were few serious contenders for the title, but today, with about 30 top players within 100 rating points of the top, this is no longer fair."
There are many good points but I'm not sure the game will win at the end. Any opinion ?!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-04 14:06:51)
FIDE or FIFA
Salut Don !
FIFA has not the biggest problems FIDE has :
1) There are only about a hundred of participants in the world cup before the preliminary tournaments already.
2) A dozen of these participants are stars and will remain the stars, just like clubs in each country, and it is unlikely to change (one reason is money of course but there are many others). Chess, like soccer or any sport, needs stars !
The context is not the same, I don't think one can compare the FIDE & FIFA business...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-04 14:14:38)
Rybka 4
Vasik Rajlich wrote a few comments on what can be expected from the Rybka engine/team in 2009 :
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=9199
Three engine releases are planned in 2009:
* Rybka 3+ - Rybka 3 playing strength, with bugfixes and cosmetic improvements, for Rybka 3 customers
* Pocket Rybka 3 - published by Convekta/ChessOK, packaged with their Pocket Champion interface, conforms to S. Tsukrov's Pocket-UCI protocol
* Rybka 4 - better search, better eval, new analysis features
"Our tournament goal for 2009 is to win a top freestyle event in 100% automated mode. (...)"
Very interesting, a new challenge for Eros :)
Wayne Lowrance (2009-01-05 17:51:35)
NO,
I am not sure if I understand your conditions. do you mean moves by your opponent must be made at depth 23 (don't know how you propose enforce that). Anyhow I have not time for such a match.
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2009-01-05 18:06:24)
Rybka 4 Fritz 12, Hiarcs 13 & future
It is my thought that Vas is running close to empty on improvements from Rybka 3 to Rybka 4. Rybka 3 was a huge, huge improvment.Other programmers are getting closer, specifically Naum.
I sorta think Vas is looking a ways in the future when cluster comps are taking hold.
Before Rybka 3 release there was a lot of excitement about Monte Carlo, but Rybka 3 Monte Carlo is not effective overall, It is just a novelity as far as my evaluation is concerned. Maybe too, like cluster MC will have a place.
Correspondence chess players sh ould be delighted with Rybka three. A few minor improvements can be made, but wont improve ELO much, such as deep evaluation pv listing. Right no for CC player the current PV thing is crazy.
Well nice topic
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-05 18:34:24)
Depth 23
It would have no sense to propose such a challenge. No, only Rybka moves (played by Ben) will be limited to depth 23.
I think I would accept the challenge (for at least 100 Epoints) if the full analysis by Rybka is posted after the end of the game :)
Marc Lacrosse (2009-01-05 23:17:16)
First flaw is in the book
There are many published lines crushing perfect15.
I am not sure that sedat already corrected all the known ones for the coming perfect16.
Either you publish your ctg at the beginning of the games or you cannot affirm that you run a "modified" perfect15 without providing proofs that you are not playing yourself during the opening phase
So i fear it's a flawed challenge
Apart from this I suppose that any player among top-50 here is ready to play against a pure R3. If we were not ready to accept this, then this would mean that correspondence chess has come to its end.
Marc
i must admit that in case your opponent plays postman chess with his engines, times have become tougher for those who try to demonstrate something, and much tougher since rybka 3 appeared. But so far there are still players who keep achieving 70% against opponents who probably all use top engines ...
Ben Milton (2009-01-06 03:22:29)
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Im not sure what exactly move mirroring is. Also as i said my opening book is perfect 15 book BUT it is tuned. Thibault Id have put 100 E-points on the line if i had it. At the moment i only have 12. Does anyone believe they can beat the conditions i proposed and are willing to have a game?
Don Groves (2009-01-06 05:18:20)
I don't understand why a challenge...
Why don't you simply enter the Gold or Silver waiting list and play? The methods you propose are entirely legal here and don't require advance notification.
It would be interesting to see Rybka's analysis published as Thibault suggested but that goes for any worthy game played here.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-06 14:14:28)
How to beat Rybka 3 ?
Hi Ben, the main -enormous- advantage you have over Rybka 3 is of course that you know by advance what she may play at least in "some" cases. At correspondence chess, you have to create a trap according to the horizon's effet (don't remember if this is the correct term) or analysis depth. Well, it may represent several weeks of analysis though, to understand such engine's weaknesses, then to incitate her to follow you in a good line, knowing the book she uses.
Playing against Rybka 3 in a freestyle chess tournament will be even harder, only someone who perfectly knows the engine & has a very good understanding of the game may hope to have a good score (over 60%) against the engine IMO.
Finally a good centaur would have quite good chances to win this match in my opinion.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-06 18:57:29)
Norms
No problem :) Well, I just can't find another way while saving processor time...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-06 18:59:13)
Challenge
That's an interesting challenge, with or without epoints. As for me, that's a pity I have no time enough yet, maybe later (in a few months).
Wayne Lowrance (2009-01-06 19:32:00)
Norm
Okey Dokie, I understand that problem. I will ask both of my Sons (programmars) what they think about your problem, culling tournaments for Norm achievements before tourney is complete and thus occupy cpu time. The way you now have it implemented, the culling is simple, "tournament complete" look for norms. I am a retired EE and not a programmer, but I think your evaluation is not valid. you only have to do this culling, say once a month and besides it is not that much cpu time overall. Wayne
Marc Lacrosse (2009-01-06 21:30:45)
Wayne ...
... We all had to wait according to these rules that are present since the very beginning of FICGS
I do not see why your impatience deserves changing what has been running for years.
If I see well you have one FEM norm recorded and wish to see the second one recorded as soon as possible
So far you played against a mean 2000 rated opponents
Most top accounts have mean opponent rating higher than 2200
This is probably the reason why you do not achieve more master norms at a faster pace
Do play in higher rated tournaments and you will soon earn as many norms as you wish if your playing strength is OK against stronger opponents
The best way to enter high-rated tournaments here is to go as often as possible in Ficgs-Wch qualifications tournaments
Marc
Marc Lacrosse (2009-01-06 21:54:35)
Too much time lost lately I fear
I do not see anything interesting in these developments : there are better dedicated sites for this kind of things
Isn't it just a way to try expanding general traffic and thus advertising income?
If this is the aim, I do agree to some point: You have offered to us all a very nice tool for free and I will allways be very glad if you can earn something significant from your site's activity
But I fear that you are more and more busy in money-making trials than in core site improvements (chess and go).
This could well lead to a problem as it led one day or another many another site that followed the very same path...
If you do not care enough with improving the core of your site people will leave as soon as another one offers more appealing features partly built on what you were first to offer.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-06 22:18:38)
Social networks & money
Hi Marc, thanks for your comments.
It is true that I'm trying to make money with the site now, also to increase significantly the prizes offered in the future, but I did not sell my soul & the site will remain a chess server before everything else ! Money can do so much too, before it becomes too much ;)
About the other social networks, well... of course a new social network is created every week but most of them are dedicated to a particular function (couchsurfing, viadeo, reunion, facebook, myspace, hi5 & so on...) and are not exactly in concurrence. Let's see how this one will go in this sea, I have many features to add yet :)
About the core of the site, I already thought about removing the ads in the chess server... It may happen very soon if most players agree that it would be a significant improvement. The ads will remain in the general forums... Believe me, I'll do the necessary, that's why your comments & suggestions are always welcome here.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-01-06 23:20:05)
Norms
Thank you Marc, your input is well received. I was a 2300+ rated player on another CC site. I was unaware that I could apply for an appropriate transfer rating. My entry rating here was 1400 which accounts for a mean opponent rating of 2000. I have not cherry picked tournaments, far from it. I always have entered in the highest rated tournament allowed, always. I do not wish special treatment, wont accept it. I think my suggestion is an improvement in this terrific server. Thiabault has always solicited ideas. That was my sole intent, nothing more. I think it is a darn good one. Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-06 23:45:25)
Tournament director
Wayne, I do not say that it is impossible to implement, but anyway I don't like to leave the server alone to administrate the tournaments or to calculate the rating list by itself... as a tournament director, I prefer to run some programs by myself, see & check what happens.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-01-07 08:36:51)
interested to see
These developments exists in the www.
I'm interested to see these development here.
But first of all I have to make my moves :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-07 11:16:13)
Norms
You're always welcome Wayne :) .. One time I'll have some reason, one time I'll make an update !
Normajean Yates (2009-01-08 04:48:31)
your challenge would have takers if...
if you could improve upon this:
Milton, Ben (AUS) [member # 4431]
ELO : 1597
Next page : History
Statistics for rated correspondence chess games :
Won : 0
Lost : 6
Draw : 0
Unfinished : 6
So, as thing stand, your challenge sounds trollish, if you will excuse my saying so. But I think someone has to.
I am in two minds whether to post this: I am violating the golden rule of usenet "don't feed the troll". :/
Ben Milton (2009-01-08 05:08:32)
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The reason to my rating is that my opponents were mostly human at this level and could not compare with me a centaur player and therefore i lost interest and let my games be lost with time forfeit. If you are not interested in the conditions i mentioned before, then no one forced you to play me, and there is nothing trollish about my challenge.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-08 12:23:20)
No ratings...
Just an idea, this challenge could be played here in this forum, move after move, with the conditions mentioned above (& Rybka 3 analysis in real time, no need to hide it after all). 2 unrated games, 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves. What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-08 12:30:06)
Separation
That's the way I want to do it indeed. As Marc said, protecting the core of the chess server is essential, but there's no problem while creating some connections between these different parts of the site IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-08 14:10:08)
Contact
Hello Wilhelm,
When you invite someone (by adding friends), you send one email to each contact of yours. If then this contact registers in the games server, you'll see him/her in the games server & the same in the social network (with much more features). The games server & the social network are completely separated so you may have to register in both & invite friends in both.
Hannes Rada (2009-01-08 18:53:24)
Chess improvements
To be honest I would more prefer to see an improvement of the chess features here.
I.e.
Conditions moves,
better tables,
better layout
modern forum (phpbb)
What I do not understand:
How can Thibault earn money with this "social stuff" ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-08 19:17:53)
Chess improvements
Hi Hannes,
What do you mean better tables ? About the other improvements, this may be a choice in some cases. As you may have seen, there are forums with more options (ie. bbcode) inside FICGS, but I'm not sure this forum should follow the same way. The FICGS chess server is somewhere between IECG & the numerous over-featured servers, maybe it should keep its 'sober/serious' side, what do you think ?
I'm still not a fan of conditional moves, but I'm open to other improvements.
Finally, about the "dark side of FICGS", any improvement may bring new players :)
Hannes Rada (2009-01-08 19:55:05)
Tables
Hi Thibault,
Just a few ideas.
I mean 'spreadsheet-like' tables with cells where you can not only see the points, but also the results (1,0, 1/2) between all players.
Furthermore on the tournament page I would prefer to see the notation first and then diagram of the actual position. I think this is more logical to see first who is playing and what has been played (the moves) and then the actual position.
I think it is also an idea to show only the running games on the (main) tournament pages and to show the finished games for a specific tournament on a second page per tournament.
Chess fonts (?) on the ICCF Server looks a little bit nicer then those here.
I have been playing now my first tournament on the ICCF server where (secret) conditionals are allowed (chessfriend had this feature already many years ago). And I am a big fan of it. Conditionals can help to speed up to game significantly.
Some openings like the Grunfeld, the French, and The Sveshnikov really cry for conditionals :-)
I don't see any disadvantes regarding the introductions of conditionals (maybe except for the programmer :-).
Why are you against them ?
But finally I have to say that I really appreciate playing here.
I can imagine how tough and how much work it is to maintain such a server as a 'One man show'.
I really appreciate your efforts.
Don Groves (2009-01-09 04:06:59)
Images in messages
Salut, Thibault! What about embedding images in a private message to another player, or in a forum post. Is this doable without too extra work for you?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-09 08:47:35)
Images in messages
Salut Don, no this is not an extra work, I can do this easily but I chose not to allow it to avoid kind of spam or authoring problems. But I could add it (just like the photo near the name). Are many of you really interested in this ? I'm not sure :)
Don Groves (2009-01-10 01:02:36)
Time span of ratings
Someone else brought up this subject recently and I feel it deserves discussion:
Suppose one player starts at FICGS at ELO 1200 and gradually improves. Another player starts at 1800 and also gradually improves. Even if they are equally good players, the first player will always be at a ratings disadvantage to the second because the first player's opponents' average ELO will always contain those lower rated games.
Would it make sense to compute ratings based on, for example, only the previous one or two years of play at FICGS, or possibly the previous 100 or 200 games, rather than a player's entire history at FICGS?
I'm wondering if this may yield a truer current rating for everyone.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-10 17:29:26)
Forum features
Hello all,
It may be time to discuss this forum's features ! .. I always thought it should keep its simple aspect (no images, no bbcode and so on) but I'm ok to do it differently if the most think that way.
In example, keeping the <br > tag to jump a line was an easy way to keep the threads easily readable (imho).
Feel free to make suggestions or just tell what you think ?!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-10 17:54:37)
BBcode or not BBcode ?
Thanks Hannes !
Any other opinion ? In other words, should BBcode and/or images/avatars be introduced in this forum ? (I prefer to avoid to include a complete phpBB forum instead of this one to keep the hand on the complete code)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-10 18:06:40)
Time span of ratings
Actually ratings (correspondence chess ones) are calculated based upon the previous ratings and games played the last 2 months only. In your example it may take 8 or 16 months "only" for the lowest rated to catch the other player in a tournament. Moreover, ratings at FICGS move faster than in other organizations in order to find the good category quickly. So I think that's not a real problem here.
As an example, it took not so long (one year) for Wayne to reach 2113 from 1400 ! That's quite short in correspondence chess.
More details about rating calculation :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess
Don Groves (2009-01-11 02:08:47)
Forum features
Some of the features of phpbb are more useful than others. Maybe you could add only a few, like images and wysiwyg text?
Tom Smith (2009-01-11 11:54:02)
Newbie time question
Hi, new player here.
I am slightly confused by the time controls, in the rules it states minimum of one move every 60 days (which to me is a little over the top) but the tournaments state 40 days then 40 days /ten moves but it doesnt state if the first 40 days is for each single move or for a set amount of moves, say for example 40 moves in the first 40 days.
Could some one please clear this up for me?
Thank you.
Tom
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-11 14:11:17)
Time controls & increments
Hello Tom, the 40 days is your total time for the game, the increment (here 40 days / 10 moves) is added to your total time every X (here 10) moves. Consequently you have a clock for the game (limited to 100 days) and a clock for each move (limited to 60 days). Does it help ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-11 18:39:05)
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov
I just watched a french tv documentary on Canal+ : "L'effet papillon" (the butterfly effect), a very rare & surprising topic in France : Kirsan Ilyumzhinov !
The president of Kalmykia & FIDE, long ago introduced by Boris Eltsine at this rank, was clearly presented as a despot in this poor region of Russia, not really far from North Korea (not speaking of distances). The images from "city chess" near Elista were quite terrible, a phantom city, part of the cult of the personality beginning in schools (children learning that GM Ilyumzhinov is the one example to follow)... Images from a few 'sponsor' industries of one competition held in Elista were just another way to suggest how Ilyumzhinov finds the money to keep the hand on the world of chess. Finally we saw a few GM timidly saying that probably everything was not clear in the FIDE.
Well, I do not believe 100% of what is said on tv, that's just what french people saw today, each one is free to make his own opinion after watching this kind of portrait.
Normajean Yates (2009-01-12 03:52:03)
The simplicity of this site is its USP!
The simplicity of this site is one of its USPs [USP ='Unique Selling Point' (advertisement-agency jargon)]
If and when making big changes, Thibault has been careful that it hasnt affected this unique attractiveness of the site.
I hope - (and expect! I like Thibault's aesthetic sense) - that this site will remain unique in the simplicity of its core 'look'.
Otherwise, it will become 'just another chess site [yawn]' - but I am sure Thibault won't let that happen :)
Marc Lacrosse (2009-01-12 21:12:03)
to Tom Smith
"...back to my original concern, that being engines are actually allowed, IE cheating is allowed".
I cannot understand your point.
Cheating is when one infringes the rules in a disguised manner.
Where is there cheating here as computer (and books, and databases, and anything...) help is explicitly allowed and encouraged in the site rules?
OK I do understand that you do not _like_ this kind of play.
But then the answer is simple : go away, go on these many sites where computer use is actually forbidden and where there are a lot of cheaters!
Here is a place without cheaters.
Marc
Tom Smith (2009-01-12 21:40:28)
Re: Marc
By allowing engine use, the site is allowing players to have the computer engine make certain moves for them or indeed play an entire game for them, I can play fritz or any engine for the same effect, I wish to play against humans who play moves themselves rather than get an engine to make moves for them, how is that not cheating?
If you dont see that as cheating then I dont know what to say, I think this is a fair complaint and does not quite deserve being told "go away if you dont like it", I am simply suprised a site allows it thats all.
Don Groves (2009-01-12 22:50:39)
Cheating?
Hello, Tom -- It seems to me that "cheating" is defined as doing something that is against the rules of the game. Here, the rules specify that engines may be used, so using them is not cheating.
I understand your concern about players letting an engine play their games for them, but I don't think many here do that. I think the players here generally use engines to do deep analysis of moves they themselves have selected, not to select all the moves via the engine. Otherwise, there is no learning and the player is only harming him- or herself. This is only my opinion, of course.
Another point to consider: all top players in tournaments have advisers that help them prepare lines and analyze games during adjournments. And they all use engines as part of this process. Do you consider this practice to be cheating?
Gino Figlio (2009-01-14 01:24:15)
the "cheating" agenda
This has nothing to do with Mr. Smith but I know some people that like to push the idea that use of chess engines is "cheating" because they are also involved in the business of selling services that detect "cheaters". I have heard from this first hand and was even offered the "service" when I was involved in ICCF management.
They want to sell their product to webmasters and therefore need to create the right atmosphere in the cc community to serve their business interest.
It's a good idea to ask for a disclaimer before discussing this issue with new visitors.
Scott Nichols (2009-01-14 03:43:43)
Not selling anything
It is obvious to any average chessplayer when playing fast time control if an engine is being used against you. And Norma, what I meant by theoretical is the quality of games here could definetly re-write some books. It is the highest quality. The "serious" part is where a player wants to play other players serious games without engines allowed. I was trying to give "Tom" a place to go besides here or hell. :)
Normajean Yates (2009-01-14 10:39:24)
Scott Nichols, I misunderstood ..
Scott Nichols, I misunderstood your prev post.. I am sorry. Really.
,br>
[grumble] modern life -> forced multitasking -> stress + fatigue + have to read fast -> sometimes misunderstand -> i am not superhuman [grumble grumble mumble mumble] :(
feeling guilty now [re scott, NOT re Tom]
Normajean Yates (2009-01-14 14:57:51)
goood sensible answer...
interesting, llmar's opinion that QGA is 1/2-1/2. So, QGA is maybe better than QGD ... interesting opinion. [seriously. I am not rejecting it.]
QGA thematic sometime is needed.
Normajean Yates (2009-01-14 15:00:33)
llmars' version of Tal's quote:
considering that with time llmars's opinion of gambits seems to be getting less unfavourable, it would be:
"The older I get, the less I value pawns." ;)
Tom Smith (2009-01-14 18:49:58)
Reply
Thank you all for your comments.
I will reiterate again that I am not pointing the finger at anyone, I just asked about this as I do not wish to play against people who just let a computer play their moves, that is all.
I do not think that all people who use engines are cheaters, and I apologize to all those who do not blindly let a computer play their games for them.
I am astonished now at normajeans hostility, I dont believe I have been offensive to anyone, if I have then it is unintentional.
To Normajean, I can only assume that your hostility is due to someone mentioning about selling some software, I can only say, not only have I not heard of any software of this type, but I am in no way involved at any such goings on.
I came on the site to join up for some chess and had one issue I wanted to ask about before I started playing, I am beginning to regret this as I did not expect quite such a response!
I can maybe understand some suspicion at a new person asking a question of this nature, and understand that some may not like me asking, so again I am sorry for the offense I have caused those players who play a fair game.
"Care to confess to the libel under oath in the U.K. and get a taste of the receiving end of libel law?"
This comment is ridiculously over the top and again that particular post was unecessarily hostile imo, if you read my posts to this point normajean and still dont see what I am trying to find out about then I shant try any further to answer you as you and some others have obviously found me guilty of a plot of some form against you.
I thank the people who answered me honestly and calmly for their comments and I shall try the site out as I said to give it a fair shot.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-14 19:59:00)
New line + Cheating
Heheh, Ilmars has been trapped by himself :)
You must use <br > html tag (see at the top of the page) to begin a new line.
As it seems not to be visible enough, I may change it in a while, finally...
BTW, this discussion on cheating or not cheating will have no end, obviously. This thread is even discussed in other forums...
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=106642
Normajean Yates (2009-01-15 05:34:46)
engines and deep analysis...
A year ago, Thibault posted links to record of GMs v engines -- but almost all games were blitz.
raising questions:
1. At standard [2.5 hours / 40 moves] time controls, and at correspondence time controls [like here - or even 1 day/move] - humans are still better than engines. true?
If true, how long are they expected to be better?
[I mean in competitive chess, not in specifically design positions which are at present very difficult for engines]
2. which engine is best for standard and correpondence time controls (as I defined in 1)?
Normajean Yates (2009-01-15 07:11:28)
how to get < br > in?
When discussing changes, sometimes one wants '< br >' [without the spaces] - without it being converted to linebreak.
Thibault did that in one post - but how ?
Webmaster hacking it through? :)
Or is there a way for ordinary members also to display '< br >' ?
[without the spaces and the quotation marks :)] ?
Normajean Yates (2009-01-15 07:22:02)
even thibault can't....
i see that thibault typed <br > [with a space]
An escape char/seq implementation would be more elegant I think... because in time you may have a few more markups - then you *will* need escape character/sequence.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-15 12:20:15)
I can't :)
No way for me to make visible the < br > html tag without spaces in this forum also.
I think I'll change this as soon as I find time. Looks like it is more & more confusing.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-15 12:34:27)
Engines vs. Human
Hi Normajean,
1. At standard time controls, I think Rybka 3 can beat the best GM, there is just no time enough for a human to avoid a single error. But grandmasters probably still have a better vision of the game at least in calm positions. At correspondence time controls, no one can say it but I feel a good GM could rivalize yet with the best engines. This is unlikely to change before a while IMO.
2. The best anti-human engine at any time control is probably Rybka 3, but there will be concurrence soon.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-01-16 05:22:27)
Engines & deep analysis
I agree with Thibault, in blitz or standard time controls Rybka and 2 or 3 others have no pier with human top gm's. But in correspondence time, I think the top GM's will certainly hold their own, or more
Wayne
Normajean Yates (2009-01-16 05:49:31)
thanks thib & wayne - I thought so 2...
..except at standard time controls. At standard I thought top GMs would be better even now :(
IMO, two of the reasons why correspondence is still an exception:
1. engines still understand positional aspects in a clumsy way (mainly through eval function even now I think..)[a]
2. top engines are commercial - so they have to 'show off' to compete in the market - 'showing off time' at corrspondence is too long for the software market.. so top engines are tuned towards faster play...
[a] I wish that after copyright etc. expires, commercial chess engine vendors must be legally forced to make public their algorithms.
(Ideally, I wish - no copyright, only moral right of actual authors! - but that needs a diiferent economic system than capitalism)
Garvin Gray (2009-01-18 17:26:53)
rules question
Ok, what I was suspecting was the situation is in fact the case.
To clarify in different speak and to guarantee we are talking about the same situation.
Game 232- The river is Ad and Player 1 has gone all in for 55 chips.
You are now asking if player 2 calls, will player 2 have to show cards, is that correct?
Do I have all this correct?
Went for an internet search to see if there were any sites at least claiming official poker rules status and there were none from my searching.
In my opinion, Player 2 has called Player 1, so both players must show their cards.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-18 18:08:59)
Correction
"Game 232- The river is Ad and Player 1 has gone all in for 55 chips."
True, actually I was confusing myself, my original post was not correct : Player 1 (Volker) raised (he was all in) and player 2 (myself) called. I'm not even sure in this case : should player 2 show his cards if player 1 wins ?
Now there is the case #2, let's imagine player 1 raises after the river, then player 2 calls (and he's all in), should player 2 show his cards even if player 1 wins ?
Ilmars Cirulis (2009-01-19 08:54:09)
To Sophie
I live in imaginary world which does have any OTB chess.
Normajean Yates (2009-01-19 15:38:51)
to sophie [contd]..
Sophie wrote: 'the halloween gambit refused is a dull game.'
Programs cannot understand the concept 'dull' and 'interesting'.
(actually they *can* very roughly, but then they cannot distinguish efficiently between 'interesting' and 'unsound'. Something like: run the position on rybka3 'dynamic'; then cross-check the move with the main rybka3 )
They can understand 'drawish'.
Objectively of couse, either the initial pos is a win for white, or a win for black, or a draw. We simply do not know...
Ilmars Cirulis (2009-01-19 19:28:30)
Some scientific quote
In last days I started to like them. I'm sorry. :D
"The field is so littered with the stinking carcasses of unreplicated candidate gene associations that it's a reasonable default to simply assume that any small, unreplicated study is false." (Genetic Future from ScienceBlogs.com)
Normajean Yates (2009-01-20 07:19:07)
nicola [nicola lupinacci ansered it]
nicola lupinacci posted in the international chat in june last year that:
In bigchess, P=1, N=3, B=5, R=8, Q=11.
One of the points is, bigchess is a bigger board, so compared to chess, long-range pieces (B, N, Q)are much more powerful than short-range ones - specially, B is significantly more powerful than N.
I followed nicola's implicit advice, and as you can check, I've won all 6 of my games in one of the two only bigchess tournaments I am playing: FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__000025.
And I have won all 4 of my completed games in the other one.
[ FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__000030:
all games are in early stages by bigchess standards ]
my two incomplete bigchess games are keenly contested.
In one of them, opp has exchanged two Bs for my two Ns and 2-Pawns: so, that game puts Nicola's idea to test.
Waiting for the top bigchess players to comment on Sophie's and my posts...
Nicola was so good at chess and bigchess, but she stopped playing.
I have pasted her reason (her profile) below: (so why did she stop playing bigchess is what I do not understand. I mean no one has bigchess engine!)
Lupinacci, Nicola (ITA) [member # 1307]
Nicola Lupinacci
I am a chess amateur, playing only for fun! I do not have any chess engine. Good game to everyone!
Ilmars Cirulis (2009-01-20 16:26:07)
ancient quote
"Animated gif is worth one mega-word" - Old Chinese saying
Normajean Yates (2009-01-24 16:53:42)
I would be most intesrested in reading..
.. posts in this thread.
though I am afraid i have nothing to contribute - didn't keep statistical track: until 2006, I used engines for analysis of critical positions of my favourite historical games only.. at up to 5 days / move! [but I didnt keep hardware/NPS records - all I can say is I mostly used whatever was the latest version of rebel - that was until 2006. Until 2002 I ran long analyses with crafty also...]
Also, in my experience the hash size does change the PV, not only the time taken to reach a certain ply [ because if a line/subtree is in hash it gets appended - with eval - so that say at 18-ply you are seeing *some* lines which are actually 28-ply or more - so it affects what gets pruned by alphabeta ... and if the engine has forward pruning it affects that much more..]
But this being a centeaur chess site (as far as chess is concerned) I suppose every chess player here knows this... :-/
Don Groves (2009-01-25 23:56:13)
Wow, indeed!
Those numbers are 100 to 200 times greater than mine!
Josef Riha (2009-01-28 09:50:08)
Hello Garvin,
I agree with your feeling. Seems that I have the same problem.
And on the other hand it looks that chess tournaments need more time to start.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-28 10:42:57)
Poker vs. Chess
I don't feel that poker playing time interfers so much with correspondence chess.
This (the time for chess waiting lists to fill) is quite usual before the start of a new championship... So, to be continued. I'll keep an eye on this.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-28 10:46:32)
NPS comparison
The only fact is you know more about all this than me :) Great that you find time to enlight us with these details on chess engines.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-01-28 18:53:31)
In a someway related topic
In talkchess.com there has been a debate over the advances in the past 10 years, which part had causes greater improvement in computer chess, software or hardware interesting reading altough a bit long. http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25215
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-28 21:32:48)
NPS, Crafty
True, true... and the discussion at Talkchess is very interesting too. BTW I did not check the code & results of Crafty for a while but I'm curious to know if there has been significant improvements since the start of the Rybka era.
Francisco Gramajo (2009-01-29 03:42:30)
Poker insults Chess...
My friends:
Years ago I was addicted to poker, losing a lot of money on line, also in real casinos.
I was a chess player since 13, but dont like the openings, I was tired to play same thing... e1-aggg! same faces... and a lot of fake players on line.
I discover this place by mistake, I was so happy because keep my fix with chess in peace. Playing with decent players. Not only doing regular openings...
Then you install poker...
how come poker? again... I am playing in my local casinos again, and afraid to tell about his site, because I don't want a lot of people playing here making this place full of poker players.
The finest, the few, the chess... te best.
I suggest you Thib, separate ficgs from poker, and create a really server to play poker in a table with many players a time.
Play poker heads-up one to one, is bored, the winner is not always the best.
The future of ficgs is compromised with poker, but not for bad...
go ahead and crate... fipgs...
Best Regards!!!!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-29 12:33:51)
FICGS
Hi Francisco, these important points need to be discussed for sure.
1) As it has been said here on another point, I shouldn't try to protect players from themselves, but I've to protect players from other players (speaking of the quality of the games, general forfeits & so on - or the posts of Garvin & Josef in this thread). You can play poker all over the internet, it's up to you only. I'm not sure I should feel responsible of players addictions, the whole world (commercial issues) is about addictions that exist anyway. In my experience, I was not really addicted to poker as a gambling game, I never played it in casinos but I like competition and that's the way I introduced poker here, quite different from the casino games (by the way a few "pro" poker players here do not even understand it).
2) "Play poker heads-up one to one, is bored, the winner is not always the best", so chess, so Go... of course. I may be wrong on the poker games format (3 winning rounds / 100 chips), we'll see it in a few months as the rating list will evolve.
3) "Poker insults chess", I don't agree with this but I understand & respect this opinion (that could probably be "Poker insults" in some cases). Only 1 player cancelled his membership because of this at the moment. I'm sorry about this, I can't satisfy everyone when making updates but be sure I'm working for FICGS firstly as a chess place and thanks to poker (even with no money), we welcome more players & the prizes (for chess tournaments) will increase a lot in the next months. That's quite good for the site in my opinion. Anyway if I realize I'm wrong, no doubt I'll change it.
Anyway, that's an interesting & important discussion and I'll listen to all your points.
Normajean Yates (2009-01-29 14:59:36)
re: rybka era v open-source
I've not been keeping in touch with post-2002 developments in chess programming [that is, the literature - I have no energy to try to reverse-engineer closed code, and my skills in that are 15-years out-of-date and out of touch :(]
- Also, I think there are fewer and fewer of comparatively strong enough open-source engines now :(
Which is the strongest *open-souce* engine now, and how does it compare to even rybkas of the 3.1.x generation? I do not know [frankly, since 2002 I am too busy with literature and political activity; even though it looks like I am playing chess all the time ;)]
But I'd be interested in knowing and grateful to everyone who posts info this and related questions...
The questions are of the form of comparative strengths of stongest post-2005 open-source engines versus rybka; and *published* new ideas in chess programming which have been implemented and have been shown to improve engine strength.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-30 16:43:43)
Svante Carl von Erichsen leads 2-0
Svante Carl now leads by 2-0, one game (22802) has been lost on time, the 3 running games are on the rope...
Any opinion on the games ?
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=22802
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=22803
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-01-31 09:19:05)
Mr Yates
Crafty current version is 22.10 and is still developing. Right now Dr. Hyatt is working in improving the paralellization. More info of the engine is found at computer chess forum as the author is a regular poster there.
Some people say that Rybka is a product of open source of Fruit, but that is another debate. Right now there are good open sources engines mainly glaurung, stockfish (glaurung derivative) there are also interesting projects with toga derivatives, cyclone, grapefruit, mad prune, etc.
Again I refer to an interesting discussion in talkchess about the advances in the past 10 years, software or hardware, Dr Hyatt explains that hardware development has been more important than new methods in search or evaluations of chess engines.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-31 15:38:45)
Dr. Hyatt
"Dr Hyatt explains that hardware development has been more important than new methods in search or evaluations of chess engines."
Surprising... maybe in a certain measure.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-01-31 20:20:59)
3/5
2/3, 3/5, 4/7 or 5/9 .. well, the longer the games, the more significant are the games & ratings. Nothing more... So IMO 5/9 is even better :)
Normajean Yates (2009-02-01 09:55:59)
poker is NOT interfering with chess..
Players that are *choosing* poker over chess (as posted by some as reason for delay on moving, delay in tournaments starting...) are either not *that* interested in chess anyway, OR it is a transient phenomenon - they are trying out poker as a novelty.
We are humans, not dedicated chess-playing machines.
If someone takes longer to move because of poker or anything else (whether the 'anything else' is related to this site or not, whether it is related to the internet or not); it gives me either more time to analyse, or effectively more vacation time, so I see no reason to complain.
If poker generates revenue for ficgs, it will help ficgs survive and so it will help ficgs chess (and go) survive.
The point is, whatever choices we make have to be made taking into account that we are embedded in a capitalist economy. We are not living in some anarchist utopia.
Normajean Yates (2009-02-01 10:15:31)
thanks Mr R.-Román, and I am *Ms* Yates.
Mr Russi-Román, I am Ms Yates, not Mr Yates.
I thank Mr Russi-Román for the valuable info and link: (and others too) : I'll update myself whenever I have free time [not only from chess play, but from higher-priority things...]
So, what is the state of the art in noticing drawish nodes (blockade, repitition etc) during search? [remember: 'false positives' are as bad as 'false negatives'] Offhand here is one area where significantly good new heuristics would be much more important than hardware..
Another example: at present, has any program - however highly parallel - delivered mate from a suite of mate-in-60+ troitski positions (NN v P) *without* using tablebases? (ignore the 50-move rule for this question. Anyway this site doesnt have the 50-move rule...) I dont know the answer...
Don Groves (2009-02-01 10:44:54)
3/5 or ?
Thibault: Its true that longer games are better for ratings but the question is how much better? If a game lasts 100 hands, there is about a 10% chance that the game was decided by luck rather than skill (one player getting significantly better hole cards than the other). If a game lasts 300 hands, that chance drops to about 3%. If a game lasts 500 hands, it drops to about 1.8% So you can see there is a diminishing return in having long games to make the ratings better. It would take 10,000 hands before the chance of luck winning instead of skill dropped to 1%.
I have some games now that are over 300 hands and nowhere near finished. Also some of my games ended after only 100 or fewer moves so those games could easily have been decided by luck. It just isn't realistic to think that games lasting several hundred moves are the answer to good ratings. You can never account for a run of good luck winning a game in only a few hands.
It would be interesting to know the average length of the games completed so far using best 3/5. It could very well be that best 2/3 would give very reasonable ratings and more games will be played in the same length of time.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-01 15:14:58)
The fact is...
... ratings should be in accordance (as much as possible) with ELO rating system : if player A is rated 1800 and player B is rated 2000, player B should win about 3 games out of 4. So the question isn't first to make ratings "accurate" (by the number of games), but to be "significant" .. eg. in a 1 round games system (30 hands max.), all players would be rated from 1600 to 1700, this has absolutely no interest.
Don's statistics are interesting and actually (imo) justify 3/5, it is probably possible to estimate the best average number of hands [btw the no-limit is not the best way, but more fun] but in my experience 2/3 is not enough. The longest game reached 1000 moves already (maybe about 400 hands), some games lasted about 35 moves only (of course the chancy factor is bigger there), it is hard to "calculate" anything one thing is sure, the longer the games, the more significant are ratings... then of course, the more games, the more accurate are ratings.
Don Groves (2009-02-02 00:11:53)
Hardware vs. software in chess
It seems to me that what hardware advances do is allow software algorithms to run more efficiently, which then allows deeper analysis in the same amount of time compared to older hardware.
If we want to know the best chess software, we must play many engine vs. engine games on identical hardware. Presumably then, the winner will also be better on more advanced hardware.
Another thing to consider is that the hardware need not be a general purpose computer, but may be specifically designed to run a certain algorithm. In this case, the engine using that algorithm would have a large advantage in an engine vs. engine contest on that hardware.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-02 21:54:00)
Poker championship : New rules, deadline
Finally, a 2 stages single round-robin tournament (no ratings limit, everyone can play) seems a better choice for the poker holdem championship !
The deadline is now february 8, 2009... Join the fun !
Here are the new rules :
"FICGS world poker holdem championship is a 2 stages single round-robin tournament. All games are played in 30 days + 1 day / move.
Round-robin tournaments are groups of at least 7 players. The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with the strongest tournament entry rating (TER) is qualified for the next stage. If tournament entry ratings are equal, ratings when the next stage begins will be taken in account. Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. Players may be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player.
Rules for poker holdem are official rules. You may find more information about the FICGS betting structure here. Both players must play until one resign or game is adjudicated. One game is played in 3 winning rounds of 100 chips by player played in no limit mode. The minimal bet is always 1 chip and does not depend on the blind's value. The small blind's value is doubled after the 50th hand, then after the 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th hand (the big blind then is 64 chips) of each round."
Wayne Lowrance (2009-02-03 18:59:13)
octal vs single core in CC
I am using a Octal computer now for perhaps 6 months, before that a very old single core slow comp. came across a inheritance so I splurged. Prior to purchasing for this octal I had many talks with the experienced folks on the "Rybka forum". I inquired would an octal computer provide better play in CC. The typical response was the main advantage is the octal is faster, but my older slower comp given little more time would play close to identical, (but not 100 % identical).
I have found this to be the case. I have compared single core with octal core using my octal computer and find the single core lagged the octal on average only one ply, but got the same answers on the whole.
I like my MacPro (2.8 gihz) very much don't get me wrong but the most important chess playing feature is the program.
I thought some of you would be interested in my little tidbit.......
Wayne
Normajean Yates (2009-02-04 01:45:47)
re Wayne's point:
Well if the program is not written to use parallelism [or written badly so that it spends too much time synchronising outputs of various cpus] then it wouldnt do very well on octal compared to single-core and might do worse :)
Chess programs unless really horribly written should not have this problem: typically different cpus will analyse different branched, and hash is sliced but from time to time 'pooled' - ie the hash slices are updated from other hash slices...
Some very old RAMs would have problems with multiple cpus trying to access them: but that would be early 1980s at most: just before the invention of the personal computer :)
Don Groves (2009-02-04 23:59:42)
Not easy to compare
Chess engines probably use almost exclusively integer operations rather than floating point, so direct comparison is difficult. But the parallel use of 1.6 million processors would make an amazing difference for properly coded engines!
Currently, Rybka only uses up to 4K processors but that's an easy change to make. Imagine being able to simultaneously compute the best few lines to a depth of 25 ply in a minute or so...
Normajean Yates (2009-02-05 04:28:40)
anyone here uses a 4K processor machine?
for playing here I mean - they might well drudge away on a 4K-processor machine in the office [or if I google something, how many processors - not necessarily all cpu - am I accessing?] - but do they pull enough weight to run rybka on it all the time?
Or worse still ( ;), actually *own* one ? No, access is better: 'if it's broke it ain't mine' - no maintenance hassles :)
Power without responsiblity..
from the 1980s BBC-TV 'yes. minister' series:
"Responsiblity without power; historically the prerogative of the eunuch" ;)
Francisco Gramajo (2009-02-05 05:43:45)
Chess players playing poker...
Is interesting, like Henry Mitchel playing baketball.
See me... playing poker against Pichelin... My dream came true, playing against the champion!!!
Thank you, Mr. Thibault, honestly I am having a really good time here.
God Bless ficgs.com!!!
Only one question?
Is ficgs.com ready to receive a lot of poker players? How many playes is your server capacity?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-05 10:26:51)
Server capacity
Hi again Francisco, well if one day the server capacity is not enough anymore, I'll change the server, that's so simple :) At the moment, we can welcome much more players IMO.
Normajean Yates (2009-02-06 18:32:02)
I should change my profile to...
'a little bit of this, a little bit of that' :)
Or using the idiom of days long before I was born: 'I explored various activities and found my limitations in all of them rather fast' :)
Normajean Yates (2009-02-11 18:44:46)
the revelation..
And the Prophet climbed up Mt Ararat; and God did say to him: Knoweth thou this; I AM NOT.
(from Gospel voted out during Nicean council; owing to mysterious assassination of 15 supporting delegates..)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-14 13:29:46)
Topalov vs. Kamsky
The match between Veselin Topalov & Gataulla Kamskiy (Gata Kamsky) is about to start, a former challenger of Vladimir Kramnik and a former challenger of Anatoly Karpov in the FIDE World Championship, quite surprising.
Both usually make amazing performances in top chess tournaments, but not exactly as regularly as Garry Kasparov. Who do you expect to win such a match ?
The prize fund is $250,000, the winner should play current FIDE world champion Viswanathan Anand later this year.
More to read in an interview with Veselin Topalov in Chessbase news, particularly on the Lvov bid, originally of $750,000.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5207
Scott Nichols (2009-02-14 15:53:16)
Howard Staunton
"It seems utterly impossible for either player to save the game!"
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-17 17:23:43)
Poker : suggestions & improvements
A new thread to discuss possible improvements for Poker Holdem 'board', in example I've been asked to add the possibility to know the "rabbits (?!)", in another way the turn & the river even if a player folds after the flop, what do you think ?
Also, for those who prefer to know what is the next card just after having played, the "slow moves" option may be a good choice but it may be really too slow (do we really need to confirm a bet ?), your opinion is needed...
I'll probably add a button to open a new window displaying the previous move very soon.
Feel free if you have any other suggestion.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-17 17:31:24)
Coupon Go, computers & future...
Two articles reported by the AGA (American Go Association) on Monte Carlo simulation, Coupon Go, Computer Go in general :
"Based on predictable advances in computing power, he rockons that a program will beat the best professional Go players on even footing within 28 years."
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/02/computers-get-go.html
"(...) To get around this obstacle, Berlekamp created a version of Go called Coupon Go, in which players have the option of either putting a stone on the board or taking a coupon. The coupons, which have different point values, showed Berlekamp what the most valuable moves were."
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/40910/title/Coupons_help_evaluate_game_of_Go
Frightening, what do you think ? :)
Scott Nichols (2009-02-18 02:08:31)
A couple more...
A journey of a thousand miles begins...with a flat tire. It's always darkest before the dawn...so that's the best time to steal your neighbors newspaper. Ok, Ok, I'll quit. :-D
Don Groves (2009-02-18 07:24:24)
Show the cards in place
At showdown, simply expose all the cards in their original positions, just like at a real table. No need to show each player's best hand. We can see that already. Should be easier to program also ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-18 14:45:13)
23x23
Are you sure ? Looks like it is not only a question of calculation anymore. In my opinion, if new algorithms can significantly improve computer play on 19x19, at the end it may work on any goban size. This will be the real match to follow during the next years or decades :)
Don Groves (2009-02-19 05:33:24)
23x23
Even with Monte Carlo simulation, a statistically significant number of games must be played for the result to have high confidence. A 20x20 board size would add 39 points to the board and hence multiply the number of possible games by 2 to the 39th power. So, a simulation would have to run a much longer time to achieve a result with same confidence factor. 23x23 would multiply the possible number of games by an astronomical number. I could be wrong about this, of course, but that's the way the numbers look.
Robert Mueller (2009-02-21 06:30:07)
Norms and Titles
For obtaining a title (e.g. FEM) you need three FEM norms. Does winning a FIM norm automatically give you a FEM norm too? In other words: if I have two FEM norms and then get a FIM norm, do I get the FEM title?
Don Groves (2009-02-25 02:14:55)
Clock correction
It is easy to fix, Hannes, simply move your clock forward by ten minutes ;-)
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-02-25 02:32:50)
GermanPolice
You don't know the german Police. :-)
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-02-25 15:59:23)
Modern Defence
1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 could be the theme.
Hannes Rada (2009-02-25 19:48:47)
GM Suba
GM Suba said to this kind of position:
Black is better, because he can improve his position. White cannot, because he has already the best possible position :-)
Don Groves (2009-02-26 01:47:00)
Modern/Hippo
I've played the Modern, also known as the Hippopotamus because it lies low in the water, waiting for its prey to make a mistake.
I have both won and been smothered with it. Black must strike quickly, at exactly the right time and place, or die a horrible death ;-)
Normajean Yates (2009-02-26 05:03:51)
Thurber and Bierce!
Two of the greatest humourists/satirists of all time, both from the USA, who wrote about about *all* people and (paricularly in case of Ambrose Bierce) *all* institutions!
Normajean Yates (2009-02-26 05:13:37)
Bierce on Predestination
PREDESTINATION, n. The doctrine that all things occur according to programme. This doctrine should not be confused with that of foreordination, which means that all things are programmed, but does not affirm their occurrence, that being only an implication from other doctrines by which this is entailed. The difference is great enough to have deluged Christendom with ink, to say nothing of the gore.
With the distinction of the two doctrines kept well in mind, and a reverent belief in both, one may hope to escape perdition if spared.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-02-27 01:21:58)
Modern isn't the Hippopotamus
Modern isn't the Hippopotamus.
Only Hippopotamus is a system of the Modern.
I'll never play a thematic tournament Hippopotamus
Thibault de Vassal (2009-02-28 03:35:14)
Svante Carl wins FICGS Go WCH (again)
Congratulations to Svante Carl von Erichsen who keeps the FICGS Go champion title by beating Ke Lu 5d on an impressive 5-0 score, also reaching a rating of 2653 !
A rematch just started between our two top Go players, as Ke Lu convincingly won the 3rd FICGS Go WCH preliminary tournament by 7/7
You can follow the games here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000003
Svante Carl kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his match :
FICGS - Hello Svante Carl, first of all congratulations for your win in the FICGS
correspondence Go championship final. Your opponent was Ke Lu 5 dan, you
won 4 games out of 5 already (the last game is not finished yet), how do
you explain such a result?
Svante Carl -
Hello! Thank you very much! It is certainly astonishing for me that I
was able to hold my own in these games. I believe that the main factor
that helped me in getting on even terms with such a strong player was
that I could spend much more time analyzing each move than in a
face-to-face or online direct playing situation.
FICGS - Did you have a particular preparation or plan before to start the games?
Svante Carl - The only things I planned beforehand was to really give my best, and to
make the games as distinct as possible.
FICGS - The site will now try to attract more correspondence Go players from Asia
(with a few chinese, japanese or korean words on the home page already),
what do you think about the games format played at FICGS
(30 days + 1 day / move, chinese rules komi 7.5 points) and the championship rules?
Svante Carl - I like the format. I am also interested in the rules of Go as well as
the rules that surround Go, like tournament rules and time settings.
My current conviction is that the "real, pure" Go rules are area rules
with superko, and territory rules should be seen as a shortcut which
should give the same result. I have come to think that the "Taiwan
rule", i.e. White gets a point of compensation if Black got the last
play (before the first pass), is a sensible part of the rules. FICGS
has taken a very easy route by declaring the rule set and leaving
negotiation of the result to the players. While in the end, it is only
important who won, I think that showing a result as e.g. "White+3",
"Black+Resign" adds a lot of flavour.
As a time system, I think that bonus time (a.k.a. Fischer time), like on
FICGS, is a very general and sensible approach to timing a game like Go.
I think that many "real-world" tournaments and internet servers will
switch to that in the future, for all, blitz, speed, normal, slow, and
correspondence games.
The championship format is quite nice. I like the title
holder/challenger way of tournament series. The only thing I would like
to see is some sort of nigiri to determine the colours in the odd game.
Attracting players from Asia is really a worthwhile goal. I look
forward to playing players from all over the world.
FICGS - Does correspondence Go bring you something more than real time Go?
What is more addictive according to you?
Svante Carl - Since I think that analyzing is a forte of mine, I might be a bit
stronger at correspondence Go than at "real time" Go. I don't think
that one is more addictive than the other.
FICGS - Do you often play real time Go online? What servers do you prefer?
Svante Carl - I usually play on KGS, but not too much, perhaps one or two games per
week on average, often in "bursts". KGS is quite nice, but not perfect.
Sometimes I play at CyberOro, but there is much less communication; I
like to watch pro games there.
FICGS - Do you use softwares that assist you in your games (FICGS rules allow
this)? What do you think about computer Go in general nowadays?
Svante Carl - I only use a board or a simple SGF file viewer for analyzing. There are
no playing programs that could help me. The programs have advanced
quite much recently, but I think that it will still be a long time
before they can beat me in an even game. Currently, most tests of these
programs are against professional players with high handicaps, and I
think that this is a good situation for the bots, since they get
exponentially weaker the further the game is from the end -- high
handicap practically eliminates the opening, their weakest spot. I
would like to see more tests against amateur players at the bots' own level.
FICGS - Do you play other games (board games, video games...), what is your
favourite one?
Svante Carl - Go is certainly my absolute favourite. I also know chess, although I am
really weak at that. I also like "german board games", there are some
really nice pearls there. In video games, well, there are also some
pearls, but they get drowned by a mass of ... not so good games..., I
don't waste time looking at that scene any more. I also played some
online poker, but it wasn't able to keep me interested.
FICGS - Will you defend your title again against Ke Lu who also won
the 3rd wch tournament?
Svante Carl - Of course, I am looking forward to that!
FICGS - Could you give us your impressions on the games, how it
went from the beginning to the end, do you think that
time pressure were a non-negligible factor in the result
(the clocks of Ke Lu were quickly near 1 or 2 days left)?
Svante Carl - I was a bit surprised that he let his time drop to such a low level
right at the beginning, perhaps he was not familiar yet with the vacancy
feature at FICGS. I can't see his reasons for this, or how much time he
actually could spend on his games. I was ahead in each game when it
timed out, though.
I think that game 2 was quite even from the start. The skirmish in the
lower left resulted in me capturing a little group, but he got a nice
framework on the lower side. My prospects of reducing this were a bit
hampered by the fact that my right side group was not completely
settled. I found a way to sacrifice some stones to settle my group
while fixing the framework's extent and keeping sente to secure my top
side, at which time, the game was still almost even, but I think that I
was a few points ahead then. Later, I could seal the top side with some
extra points through some rather blunt forcing moves.
In game 3, my opponent made an approach with White 24 that is usually
regarded as bad in this situation, because the pincer Black 25 works out
very well in conjunction with the stone on the left side. He tried to
settle with White 26, but I refused to make things so easy, even though
the result from the usual joseki would not have been bad. He resisted
Black 27, but I think that White 28 is an overplay. The resulting fight
left me with nice profit in that corner and sente, while he made some
centre thickness. I then tried to carefully neutralize this thickness,
but I may have played some slack moves in the course. Later, I was able
to keep a little moyo in the lower right centre, and then I poked into
his right-side territory where he had left a serious weakness earlier.
Game 1 started out with an interesting fight in the upper right. After
White 42, both the three captured black and the two almost captured
white stones retain some serious aji, which I came back to fix on my
side a few moves later. When I could set up a splitting attack with
Black 77, he was able to connect his two weak groups, but in bad shape.
I continued to keep this dragon separated from the top, planning to
invade the top side afterwards. However, with White 110, instead of
connecting by playing B6, he saved some centre stones, and I proceeded
to separate and kill the dragon. He may have overlooked that my upper
left side group was still able to live after 110 and 111.
In game 4, after White 22, Black's stones on the left side have a
strange relation. The three stones in the corner are a bit far from
C10, but putting another move here is way too slow. He tried to remedy
this situation with the following moves. After Black 27, there are
weaknesses left in both sides' shape. When I entered with White 32, I
thought that his weakness at F13 would let me settle easily, but he
attacked very hard. After White 60, there are some weaknesses in my
shape, but he also has a weakish group in the centre. Playing at K10
with White 76 before taking the two stones with H2 felt very important
to me. At move 94, I couldn't find a good move to complete my moyo at
the top, but I thought that I had found a good point to invade. This
was much harder than I thought, since after Black 95, the 3-3 point
fails to live. With 96 and 98, I thought that I would get a ko, but he
played a line that I had excluded earlier on account of too many cuts in
Black's outside shape. However, with Black 107, he made things very
difficult for me, since cutting at P16 doesn't work out too well -- my
inside group doesn't have enough liberties. I cut at Q14 instead with
the hope to at least get some outside forcing opportunities that might
have been able to keep me in the game. I think that Black 115 should
have been at R12, because after White 116, R12 and N16 have become miai.
Black 117 just doesn't work at all. I really got lucky in the end here.
These impressions are naturally one-sided, and I would be really
interested what stronger players might say about these games.
FICGS - Thank you very much and have good games !
Svante Carl - Thank you!
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-03-02 13:34:57)
Birma
The Britains called it Birma.
Now it's a Military dictatorship.
Don Groves (2009-03-03 01:57:17)
I agree...
... with Garvin's suggestion. Taking it one step farther, could we have the option of a separate "My games" page for each type of game? This would eliminate a lot of scrolling every time the "My games" page is refreshed.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-03 20:39:59)
Show the cards & history
Hi Don, well I don't know which solution is best, waiting for more opinions on this...
Michael, the PGN does not include the cards, actually displaying the history would take much more processor time that I prefer to save. You may also 'mouse over' the last move just below the board and you'll see the last moves played in title.
Also I just added an option : "V" in the 'move_express' (fast interface - for poker only yet), that opens a new window with an improved viewer to navigate into the game more easily... Feedbacks are welcome ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-03 20:42:24)
Order of games, chess, poker etc
Well received... thinking about that (it may take some time :))
Garvin Gray (2009-03-03 23:16:45)
sorting by start date
A 'compromise' could be a preference option where players can sort by tournament start date or by game type. Something like that anyways.
The reason I put the compromise in inverted commas is that while it is all very easy for us players to offer suggestions, it is another for programmers to implement them.
Hannes Rada (2009-03-04 18:51:19)
Venezuela !?
@ Rodolfo you are from Venezuela ?!
Beautiful country.
I like the Salto Angel, Canaima and the Gran Sabana very much :-)
Michael Sharland (2009-03-04 20:57:02)
Show the cards & history
I'll agree with Don that just showing the cards in place would be more intuitive and is what everybody is used to seeing.
As far as the viewer goes, I would say that it is a nice improvement but finding key hands is still very difficult when the history gets long. One should be able to more easily navigate through the history by hand rather than move. Also, it would be nice if the PGN did clearly demark where points are won so key hands can more easily be found.
Keep up the good work.
Don Groves (2009-03-06 07:56:37)
Hmmm...
I see the page title in my browser tab get refreshed when the timer expires, but the browser tab isn't wide enough to show the full title. Perhaps if the ! were placed at the beginning of the title it would always be visible?
Scott Nichols (2009-03-06 10:35:42)
Way to go
This update is a great time saver, and it is one that I didn't even know I needed, but now don't want to live without! Another innovation from Thibault making our experience here even better again, thanks. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-06 12:34:18)
(!) to Don
"I see the page title in my browser tab get refreshed when the timer expires" : Actually the page title gets refreshed only if you have a new move to play AND when the timer expires... and of course the (!) is displayed at the beginning of the title, so that you can see it whatever its length.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-06 12:36:07)
Tony G
Sure, I wouldn't like to play with him, but that's quite funny to watch.. or maybe I'm just kind of pervert :)
Anthony Jones (2009-03-06 13:06:37)
Perverse poker
Its certainly gripping to watch, but the level of aggression he displays is borderline unethical due to the intimidation of his opponents.
As tournament director i'd offer him a single warning before booting him out.
Imagine the same actions in chess after winning a pawn! Although i do remember Nigel Short saying that in a world Junior champs when he was 15 he played a move and Kasparov laughed in his face before crushing him....
Don Groves (2009-03-07 01:00:50)
But then No!
I checked in a poker game. Since I was not the dealer, it was my move again. I waited for the timer to cause the title refresh and there was no (!) in the title. There was a ! beside that game as it was my turn. Should there also be the (!) in the title in this case?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-07 01:46:52)
(!) if one move more to play
Looks normal, the symbol should appear only when there's (at least) one move more to play (so you may have one pending move when you load "My games", the symbol will appear only when you have 2 pending moves when the timer expires - that was not the case in your example).
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-07 01:51:18)
Clock / Challenges
Well, the "My games" timer feature may exist without showing the clock also... About the challenges I'll add the option soon (it should have been done months ago, lack of time).
Michael Aigner (2009-03-07 20:34:56)
Unrated Tournaments
Sometimes I would like to experiment with some more or less unserious openings (e.g. to "improve" my OTB opening repertoire).
I would not like to this in serious rated tournaments, therefore I would be happy if we could have some unrated tournaments (special tournaments area) similar to thematic tournis.
What do you think about this?
Marc Lacrosse (2009-03-09 16:19:53)
Unserious openings in serious games!
"Sometimes I would like to experiment with some more or less unserious openings"
For what regards myself I do it all the time in rated games !
For example in my wch-05 semifinal match against D. Ghysens I am busy trying the Hampe-Algaier gambit (not a real success so far) and a Alekhine-Chatard one (much more promising) ... :)
So no need for special unrated tournaments for experimenting IMHO ...
Marc
PS you should have a look : this match will win the price for the most excentric openings in high-level correspondence chess (well I hope so).
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-10 11:08:04)
wch-05 semifinal
Indeed, bloody & rare games :) .. "Creativity lab." is a nice name, "Experiments zone" too... maybe it should also mean "just for fun", "unrated" would be easy. Hmmmmm....
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-10 11:10:11)
Big Chess Games
That's the problem... Usually a big chess game is quite short (often shorter than regular chess games), but between two strong opponents, theorically it may last more than 1 year with time control 30 days + 1 day / move.
Don Groves (2009-03-11 04:16:19)
On all FICGS pages please
The (!) would be even more useful (imho) if it appeared on all FICGS pages, not only My Games. When I'm on My Games, I'm looking for new moves but if I'm browsing the Forum, for example, having the (!) appear in the page title would alert me to switch to My Games.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-11 11:56:26)
(!)
I don't think it would be a good idea cause the page needs to reload to display the (!) .. Imagine you're typing a looooong post (reminds me 2 years ago :)), you're to send it then the page reload "It's your turn".. ;)
As for me, I have one window with the "My games" page, and another one if neeeded with the forum.
Michael Aigner (2009-03-13 16:58:32)
@ Marc
Hi Marc,
in general you are right when you say you can play unserious openings in serious games - of course.
The little problem there is, you can´t if you want to win.
From time to time I can´t hold back and try it myself. In most of this games I am very happy if I am able to "win" a half point in the end.
Have a nice day
Michael
Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-03-14 22:58:49)
one more improvement
Thibault, is it possible to show captured pieces beside the board - this would help greatly to those players who set up the board to think over the next move.
Marc Lacrosse (2009-03-15 15:35:28)
a problem with tournament scheduling.
This is the third time I find myself enrolled in a tournament at a completeley inapproppriated time with regard to my professional duties and leisure time possibilities.
Thibault, you should do something. At least when a tournament start has been delayed for months (or more) like this one please do send a mail or message to all players announcing the date of beginning and asking for confirmation of their participation.
For what regards myself and this wch-4 round-robin final I am in the complete impossibility to free the required amount of time by now : so I regret but I have no other choice than announcing my forfeit for all these games. Please do take my name off.
By the way I won't enroll in any other championship qualifications as long as there are no better rules regarding scheduling and announcements of tournaments start date
It's completely unacceptable to stay without any news for months and then to suddenly discover that you have a new set of games running.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-15 17:55:32)
a problem with tournament scheduling
I agree, Marc.
Well, to summary the situation is :
1. It actually happens that tournaments start up to two months late in wch cycles.
2. It would take too much time (compared to the wch tournaments duration) to ask for a confirmation to all qualified players (+ spamfolder & other problems), particularly when a few players may suddenly be invited in a tournament.
3. Players can only withdraw their participation before the wch tournament starts.
IMO, to keep this rapid format, the rules should evolve to : "A player may withdraw from a wch tournament up to 15 days after it started, if he did not play a single move. In this case a player will be immediately invited in replacement. As it is not possible to wait for all confirmations, this player may withdraw from the tournament by following the same rule."
This may at least partly solve the problem. By following this new rule, you may be replaced without any penalty.
What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-15 18:17:32)
Anand vs. Computer
I don't remember Anand playing a match against a computer like Deep Blue, Deep Fritz, Junior, Rybka & so on... But it is quite possible to find a few games like Anand vs. Fritz 3, 4 or other old programs in chess databases IMO.
Anyway, it is quite hard for me to answer your question as I still think the world is divided into 2 categories, Garry Kasparov and those who dig :) (The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, of course) .. More seriously, Anand is probably one of these 4 or 5 best players of all times, but who may be quite irregular (or just human), unlike Kasparov. Tal was another genius, maybe more a gambler, but none (Topalov, Anand, Kramnik...) ever reached the level of Garry Kasparov in my opinion.
I'm not sure Anand will be interested in losing to a chess computer, particularly as even Fritz is getting stronger & stronger.
Scott Nichols (2009-03-15 21:05:35)
Excellent solution.
IMO Thibault has come up with exactly the right solution. Maybe there should be a way for all players to withdraw under the same conditions. Sometimes things come up and people can't follow through with what they planned, if they can withdraw without penalty it might save a lot of under 10 move losses and the remaining players just receive a forfeit win. Just an idea.
Marc Lacrosse (2009-03-17 13:02:10)
Anand vs computer
Back in 1998 Anand was the first top player to lose a match (5-3) against a PC program (Rebel 10).
Rebel played on a PC equipped with an AMD K6 450 Mhz processor (something similar to present-day smartphones!)
The match consisted of four blitz games, two rapid ones and two slow games. It is noticeable that Anand still managed to win 1.5/2 the slow games part of the match. And if I remember correctly Anand's win in the final game was a brilliant one, one of the last convincing human wins against modern programs.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-17 22:53:06)
Rules updated
I just made this change in the general rules & chess wch rules :
"11.6
There is no withdrawal, from any tournament, however in the case of multi-stages e.g. world championship tournaments, the games won't be rated if a player warns the referee before the tournament starts and at most 15 days after a new stage started but the first one, then a replacement will occur if possible. (this special rule is particularly dedicated to players surprisingly invited to an advanced wch stage, as it would take too much time to wait for confirmations from all qualified players)"
Don't hesitate to make suggestions if you think it can be better formulated. Thanks in advance.
Scott Nichols (2009-03-18 10:28:13)
Ratings floor.
Hi Thibault. One thing I would like to see implemented is a ratings floor here. By this I mean a player can never drop below one class below his/her ratings peak. e.g., a player with a 1951 rating can never drop below 1600, a 2001 player can never drop below 1800.
In the U.S. (and maybe worldwide, not sure) we have this system to keep strong players from sandbagging and artificially let their rating drop so they can play in the lower sections of big money tournaments.
On FICGS I don't think that is a big problem. The problem here is that Corr. chess takes long term dedication and some players tend to drop out for whatever reason and resign all their games or just quit and let their time run out. This also drops their ratings artificially low levels.
Then, as it seems to always happen, Caissa's power sweeps over them and they get back in. Or, they just bought a new super computer and want to show it off. Anyway, when they do get back in....you have an expert player coming in with a very low rating. This to me is unfair to the other players who try very hard on their ratings. e.g., In the current world Ch. cycle I am playing a very strong player who is over 800 points below my rating.
I would appreciate any other opinions on this subject. Thank you.
Marc Lacrosse (2009-03-18 10:48:07)
Yes but ...
Interesting idea but there could be a negative side effect : we could see an increase of the number of players leaving or silently withdrawing which is one of the most annoying aspects of correspondence chess IMHO.
Marc
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-18 11:04:06)
Ratings floor
That's a real problem (any other opinions on this ?) In my opinion, a rating floor may lead to more trouble in higher ratings : A player who starts at 2300 and drops to 1700 has more chances to drop all his games again than to play seriously. Anyway, once more there's no perfect solution IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-18 11:07:10)
Korchnoi
Good point :) By the way, does the old lion Viktor Korchnoi still play ?! .. I didn't hear about him for maybe 2 years...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-19 00:28:50)
Disconnected ?
Hi Samy, I just added the Epoints, did you logout before to enter the code ? Looks like the problem came from this. No solution yet in this case, but if you warn me immediately, that's ok.
Thanks for the bug report.
Robert Mueller (2009-03-21 08:28:45)
Slower Time Controls
I would like to see a World Champion Cycle with slower time controls. I like the WCH tournament, it is just too fast for me. Standard time controls (10 moves in 40 days) would be great. And yes, this means that a cycle will last several years to complete. That is not unusual in correspondence chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-21 19:26:53)
Slower time controls
Hello Robert,
Well, in a perfect world I would like to create another multi-stages tournament ("Cup" or something) with 40+40 days/10 moves time control. Maybe we can start it already but I'm not sure we have enough players... The same about the format. Any opinions ?
I think we should keep a fast multi-stages tournament anyway.
Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-03-22 11:27:20)
one more improvement
Hi, Thibault!
Is it possible to show captured pieces beside the board - this would help greatly to those players who set up the board to think over the next move?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-22 14:54:02)
captured pieces
Hi Denis (and sorry, I forgot to respond to your previous message)
Well, the way I implemented it - to save more processor time - doesn't allow to show captured pieces without big changes :/ By the way I don't understand well why it would be so useful !?
Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-03-22 23:28:11)
captured pieces
Thibault, maybe it is just my personal drawbacks but when I set up board I usually look at captured pieces (on letsplaychess.com or chess-online.ru) and see how many of pieces are out - and just count with those on the board to be 16 in total - and become confident that I didn't miss anything. here on Ficgs it usually takes more time to get confident that all pieces on their places. and from the other side it will be easily seeing which player is getting upper hand - just looking at captured pieces (especially when difference is small - like pawn or two or pawn for a piece)
and yes notation
White: 2B, 2N, 3P
Black: Q,4R
would solve the problem
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-23 15:44:12)
Best poker sites
Well this thread may be a good place to discuss the best poker places... Do you know other sites where to play Poker Texas Hold'em ?
I have no time to try it anyway but it's always good to know.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-23 15:55:15)
Checkmate detection (finally)
A few improvements to come today !
Checkmate detection : Finally I implemented it even if I like the idea that a player should resign by himself (just like for Go). It will be in test for a few days/weeks so it may not work for everyone during this time.
A few informations more in players statistics (number of advanced chess, Go & poker games won, lost, running...)
In Go games, a reminder will appear when a player "pass" (one player has to resign or call referee to end the game, with a link to the Go scorer)
Thank you all for making suggestions that help to improve the site, I know there are many others to implement (e.g. challenges option & so on...), be patient :)
Wayne Lowrance (2009-03-24 16:51:19)
another suggestion
My thinking is not favourable for slower time controls. There are already tournament classes that are very thin and increasing the number of tournament options only delutes the base of tournaments.
By the way, Tribault if you want to increase participation, open up some faster tournament bases. Not like blitz or such, but faster. I think that would be a better improvement than slowing down. Holy cow some of my games have gone on close to a year, or seems that way anyhow. I am content with the classes/timers as they are.
By the way, hardy congratulations on auto rersign on mate . :) (about time hehehehe) kidding of course.
Wayne
Nick Burrows (2009-03-27 19:34:33)
Claymation Chessgame
A game of chess animated in clay!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bS0ow3mmAM
Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-03-29 13:54:47)
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff
Hello Heinz-Georg,
>I answered to a question of Samy according to Big Chess.
>There we have four rooks :)
>You should try this great game :)
oh - I see the point! :)
yeah - I'd love to try big chess game - though i need a bit more free time - maybe in summer vacations?
this must be fun and combinationally more intensive game ! :)
Denis Ivanchenkov (2009-03-29 14:14:21)
Wayne Lowrance
>By the way, Thibault if you want to increase participation, open up some faster tournament bases.
imho 1 day/move, 2 day/move or 3 day/move - these time conntrols more demanding for players.
and I'd like to suggest one more idea - so call ladder tournaments (well, this may be too complicated to develop corresponding soft - but this is just a suggestion). so the essence of such tournament is that we have "ladder" classes H (lowest), G, F, ... and A - the highest one. In the beginning all players belong to H class. And there are open 5/7/9-player tournaments starting in each class - they are just waiting until filled and then open again. each tournament is all-play-all 1 game with fast (1 d/m 2d/m 3d/m) control. When tournament is finnished the winner (or several winners in case of a tier) is promoted one class up. Similarly, the player (players) occupying the last position is demoted one class down (except for H classers). So winning the tournaments is actually a "climbing" the ladder.
this scheme was used in igame.ru and was pretty popular among players.
i suggested this scheme to chess-online.ru - unfortunately they were pretty hesitant as to realization (maybe due to soft development complexity?)
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-03-30 21:42:52)
Online Casinos
Is it here at ficgs.com first of all with less money and more aspects of honour and friendship?
Garvin Gray (2009-03-31 10:45:47)
200 point rating bands
Apologies for repeating myself but it has been a while for this topic. I argued previously that the rating groups for the tournaments are too wide ie in the standard divisions there is a four hundred point group.
I think this needs to change to a 200 point rating gap in the standard group and have more groups offered.
I know this has been done to a minor extent in the rapid section, so for the standard section, the rating bands would need to be on the opposing one hundred point scale.
The main point I am trying to make is that rarely are the groups comprised of players from all over the 400 points bands, but instead come from players just over the rating limit ie if the lower rating limit is 2000, then most of the players are just over 2000 as they have the most to gain.
So I think there would be more players entering if more groups were offered with 200 point rating bands, instead of the current 400 point rating bands.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-31 19:41:45)
200 point rating bands
I'm not sure, 100 point rating bands are theorically better of course but it will take much more time to fill the waiting lists. The rapid section (with different bands) partly solves the problem in my opinion - particularly for players who may play rapid tournaments also.
Anyway, waiting for more opinions on this.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-31 22:22:54)
Poker ratings
I've just changed the rating rules for Poker. I noticed that poker ratings moved really fast, most probably too fast. Also I think it is better to favour experience to new ratings, at least under a certain rating limit (just like Go rating rules). I'll keep an eye on ratings during a few months. Consequently now the poker rating rules are :
"The poker holdem rating list takes account of rated poker holdem games played at any time control.
If you have no poker rating, you have to play at least one rated poker holdem game to appear in the rating list. Poker holdem ratings are adjusted in real time after each result :
Performance = Opponent Current Rating + 350 if the game is won, -350 if the game is lost.
Case of a win (rating > 1999) : New Rating = ((19 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 20
Case of a win (rating < 2000) : New Rating = ((18 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 20
Case of a loss : New Rating = ((19 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 20
The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is superior to 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player.
In case of a loss against a player rated more than 200 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 200."
Don Groves (2009-03-31 22:39:35)
Poker ratings
The last time I checked the poker ratings list, I noticed a large number of players rated at 1800.
I thought the starting rating was 1600 except for players with a lot of previous experience. Have all these new players at 1800 asked for this higher rating?
This practice throws off the ratings for all of us who began at 1600 and have moved up by actually winning games on FICGS.
Don Groves (2009-03-31 22:48:41)
Ratings lists
It would also make the ratings lists more meaningful to only list players who have actually entered tournaments. There are many in the rating lists who have not logged on since their first time here and who may never participate in an FICGS event. Why should they be shown in the ratings lists?
Nick Burrows (2009-03-31 23:46:20)
general improvements
I agree that seeing 'rabbit' cards is a waste of space & distracting.
I also would prefer to just see the cards as they are, rather than the winning hand. It's very simple to see who has the best hand.
Scrolling back through a game is way too time consuming, i would play back thru games if there there was a 'viewer' similair to the chess analysis board, but as it is now is just like a hard record of the game.
Otherwise, i am greatly enjoying my poker games and has improved my enjoyment of the site immensely :-)
Many thanks, Nick.
Nick Burrows (2009-03-31 23:52:18)
beauty
Yes it's a nice change to see the aesthetics of chess utilised in an artistic project.
After all, it's such a beautiful game ;-)
Thibault, can you incorporate the animation onto the boards for each time we make a capture?!!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-31 23:52:44)
Rating lists
Hi Don, I agree.. rating lists also show players who entered a provisional rating, actually I didn't think so many players would estimate themselves as advanced players when filling the registration form. Anyway this update should slowly solve the problem, question of weeks/months, 1800 is the same provisional rating as in chess, strong players should be able to reach 2000-2100 in a while.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-03-31 23:54:37)
Flash animations
Heheh, it would be nice ... maybe one day, nothing is impossible, but it always takes time :/
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-01 18:09:47)
FIDE rating list April 2009
The new FIDE rating list is out.
1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2812
2 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2783
3 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2770
4 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2759
5 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2756
6 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2754
7 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2753
8 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2751
9 Leko, Peter g HUN 2751
10 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2748
Veselin Topalov is ranked number 1 again, over the 2800 mark. Magnus Carlsen is more and more impressive.
You may find a more complete list in Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5323
Ranganathan Raman (2009-04-03 00:10:39)
chess max limit to join?
how many games can i join?max each type
Philip Roe (2009-04-05 08:21:08)
Will the games be viewable?
I see that the first unrated tournament has begun, but it doesnt seem to possible to view the games (There is no entry under "Tournaments").
Since the players have expressed an interest in trying opening experiments, it might be interesting to watch their adventures.
Scott Nichols (2009-04-05 18:50:07)
Programming
Hi Thibault. Most of us have no clue about what it takes to program. Something we think looks like an easy add-on may be a programming nightmare. It is VERY impressive all of the things you do on this great site. Just one question, is making the chess ratings happen instantly like the poker does one of those programming nightmares?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-05 21:23:03)
Rating calculation : real time or not
Hi Scott, it would be not a nightmare for sure. But the way correspondence chess ratings are calculated is more a question of history IMO, just like FIDE WCH. Many players would probably think this is just a nonsense, while the others may find good reasons for this change. It seems to me that correspondence chess ratings have always been calculated every 2 or 6 months according to the organization. I thought about this question already, there are advantages in both solutions, so I'm not against the idea to open this (big) debate.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-06 02:31:08)
2 months advantages
Avoiding rating peaks and a clearer history are probably the most important points.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-06 21:31:27)
Rating peaks
Among possible problems : It is likely that players could reach higher artificial ratings (peaks) this way, even if we change the complete system & the way tournaments are built. IMO instant ratings mean that games should start as soon as a player enter a tournament waiting list - gradually, like at IECG server - otherwise it would be even harder to predict your opponents tournament entry rating, by the way there is no more TER taken in account in Go rating calculation, that is an advantage in some ways but one of the main problems also]
As for me, the deep reason why I may prefer the 2 months system is this very special "moment" that FIDE players know when waiting for their next rating. The other system makes everything faster & faster, just like the world wide web but finally maybe the passion flies away faster also. My 2 cents :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-07 13:37:25)
Number of games limit
Hello Ranganathan, indeed there may have a small bug for a few days that displays the number of running poker games only, but you actually have more than 50 chess & Go running games now. I'll correct it soon, thanks !
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-07 15:42:29)
Update
The bug has been fixed, also now you can enter a new chess or Go tournament if you exceed the number of poker games limit (50), and vice versa.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-08 00:20:13)
Poker games duration
Yes, some games finish in less than a week, some may last... we don't know yet. I'm thinking about a way to reduce the thinking time in some cases looking like the "dead man defence" without changing the time control. Suggestions are welcome :)
Don Groves (2009-04-08 06:58:42)
Time control
My suggestion is still the same -- have an intermediate time control for some minimum number of moves in a given period. For example, at least one move per week when not on vacation. I feel that if a player cannot make one move per week, they must have too many games for their available time.
For Poker, it should be even more moves per week since there isn't nearly as much to analyze at each move.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-11 17:08:18)
3rd FICGS chess wch candidates final
For the second time (out of 3), the winner of the round-robin tournament won the candidates final, congratulations to Edward Kotlyanskiy and Peter Schuster for a nice match !
Here is the spectacular game which decided the result :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=28292
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-04-12 18:31:48)
FICGS Olympiad
Nice idea! I hope, there will be not only pure national teams, otherwise some players will be unable to participate.
William Taylor (2009-04-12 20:04:06)
I still like the idea
I still like the idea of country teams and an Olympiad-like format. I've read Marc's post and can't imagine nationalism would be a problem on a friendly site like FICGS.
However, it would be a shame for countries which only have one or two players at FICGS not to be able to play. How about a team championship along the lines of other chess team championships such as the Russian one which has just finished? i.e. teams are made up of invited players from all over the world. Anyone could be a team captain and enter a team if they could get one together. There could be an entry fee and captains might even then pay a fee to top FICGS players to be on their team in an effort to win the FICGS team trophy and prize money. ;) I'm not saying an entry fee would be a good idea - just mentioning it as a possibility. Anyway, I think a team championship of some kind, Olympiad-format or not, or both, would be interesting, exciting, and good for building the sense of community on FICGS.
Nick Burrows (2009-04-12 21:16:56)
Olympiad
I think it's a good idea also
I am alligned with Marc's anti-nationalistic thinking in a political sense, but here it is simply a 'construct' to initiate some camaraderie and interest.
after all we still all enjoy the olympiad, and playing for club teams can be fun, because chess is such an individualistic pursuit that any opportunity to play in a team, is really just an opportunity to socialise with people that you have a shared interest with.
Pitting players from different countries against each other, has no ultimate meaning - but at least it's an idea that will initiate interest and is therefore positive.
For the people without enough countrymen for a team, why not a UnitedNations team? so all can be included.
William Taylor (2009-04-12 23:33:05)
Teams vs Olympiad
Nick: I haven't played teams tournaments on Playchess but I'd guess they're similar to those on ICC. I agree that they feel rather pointless, but I think that's just because they're over quickly and you won't play in the same team with the same people again. Getting a (perhaps starting annualy) team tournament or league going on FICGS would be quite different I think, with longer time controls, hopefully well-established teams and perhaps prize money. Maybe there's room for a team tournament and an Olympiad - if not either would be nice.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-14 15:37:00)
Draw offer and rules
Very good point. I quite agree with this but it is now a bit complicated for players (more or less beginners) to know what to do in such a case. We can also imagine the case of a player saying "I resign" without checking the resign box.
FICGS rules are official (FIDE) chess rules when proper FICGS rules don't exist. It may apply there, but I feel we should clarify and why not change the rules to make it clearer & simpler.
Let's see what is your favourite proposal :
1) A draw offer sent in the message (draw box unchecked) should be considered as a real draw offer if the opponent called the referee to accept it and did not reply to the move.
2) A draw offer sent in the message (draw box unchecked) should be considered as a real draw offer if the opponent called the referee to accept it, even if he replied to the move.
3) A draw offer sent in the message (draw box unchecked) shouldn't be considered as a real draw offer because there shouldn't be such human decision in server chess and it could be ambiguous.
The proposition 2) may bring problems IMO, I think 3) is generally better in server chess (maybe even in OTB chess when the sheet in not signed, I suppose the case happened already) as there should be as few human decision as possible, 1) is more fair in a certain way though.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-14 17:19:23)
Shogi & Xiangqi
Hi Samy, I'm not so opposed to introduce these interesting games here but there are no players enough yet to envisage it, that's the main point IMO (then if I remember well computers are stronger than the best players already). We'll probably discuss it again in a while.
Nick Burrows (2009-04-14 17:45:59)
draw
The reason i ask is that this would give the players to capability to fix matters themselves without referee intervention, though i can see that it may cause more problems than it solves.
I think no.1 is the better ruling. On the rare occasion that this occurs, the player truly did offer a draw but simply didnt know the correct way to offer it. If his opponent consults the rules and calls the referee, the draw is binding, if he plays a move then the game continues...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-14 20:23:03)
Time control in Poker games, new rule ?
Hi all,
The first poker holdem games started a few months ago, it may be time to discuss new improvements around time controls in "correspondence" (> 1 day) poker games.
The problem is obviously that the dead man defence [to last the game until death when losing] could apply, at least theorically. In my opinion, we should try to find an idea to reduce the thinking time for the players who are in an inferior "position", or for both players, or maybe the maximum total time accumulated (now 100 days) and/or the time to play a single move (now 60 days)... well, actually there are many possibilities but I can't find one simple, clear & fair enough. To change the basic time control 30 days + 1 day/move would not be a good idea IMO, an inferior increment would bring problems also.
Ideas are welcome !
Will Denayer (2009-04-14 20:51:22)
Draws
I agree with Mr.Lehnhoff in this. The rule should be clear: if you want to offer a draw, you need to tick the box. That keeps everything very simple.
Scott Nichols (2009-04-14 21:16:33)
Must check box
IMO the only acceptable draw offer is checking the box. A lot of ambiguous offers might be misconstrued a real offers, i.e. "this looks like a draw don't you think", "Can't see a win for either side, probably a draw." ----So IMO anything other than checking the box is simply conversation, IMO. :)
Normajean Yates (2009-04-15 00:11:37)
I vote for #3.
Rules should be to resolve things if a players is violating the spirit of the game severely. If opponents change their mind; IMO this does not fall in that category; it shows carelessness of draw-offering player.
Players who make draw offers should read the rules once more and make the offer clearly; then there is no problem.
Otherwise an opponent can actually change their mind... this is: more important than the fact of not-OTB: looong-time-controls. [One can imagine these time controls OTB also, 40 days/10 moves - in theory! ;)]
So, #3.
Michel van der Kemp (2009-04-15 00:38:58)
Ticking box should be only valid way
I also think that checking the box is the only valid way to make a draw offer, written statement should not be accepted. At best it could be a possibility that if someone receives a written request for a draw offer, he could goto the referee (in this case Thibault), and ask how to do with an (invalid) draw offer.
I don't think Thibault should go through logs of games everytime (even if that can be automated), to see if a players have offered a draw.
Don Groves (2009-04-15 02:01:35)
Time controls
In all FICGS games, I think there should be an intermediate time control to prevent silent withdrawal, or what you call the "dead man defense."
If a player cannot make at least one move per week when not on vacation, the game should end.
If fewer than ten moves have been played, the game would not count in the ratings.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-15 13:48:07)
shortest possible bigchess checkmates
Good question & good idea to develop the bigchess theory :)
I don't know, no time to think about it today but it may be not so easy to do it in less than the obvious 11 half-moves checkmate for White.
Daniel Parmet (2009-04-15 15:48:49)
Suggestion for "my waiting lists"
Not a big deal but if it is simple to do... it would be nice to see a my waiting lists tab to show all the things you are waiting to start quickly :)
Normajean Yates (2009-04-15 21:32:20)
needed earlier is bigchess viewer..
Before that, we need a bigchess-pgn- viewer (simple, one game bigchess-pgn, no side-variations) :)
Also, an offline bigchess-pgn-viewer (available for download) would be most welcome...
M. Thibault, please add to (big)chessfriends' wish-list ;)
William Taylor (2009-04-15 23:15:21)
Intermediate time control
Yes, perhaps the time limit for 1 move could be shortened. A week would be fine for poker games, I think, but (although I would almost always play a move in less than a week) I wouldn't favour the introduction of such a short time control in chess games.
Regarding Don's proposal that the game would not be rated if fewer than ten moves had been played, it is of course theoretically possible to have a large or winning advantage after ten moves, and in such a situation it would seem unfair not to rate the game. (That's assuming that the player who won on time was also the one winning on the board).
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-17 00:55:56)
Intermediate time control
I'm not favourable to change the time per move limit or to change anything for chess & Go. In my opinion, we should add a tricky rule for poker games only to reduce their duration.
This rule may apply only in certain cases, what do you think ? In example, the player who has less chips and/or won rounds may have a reduced increment or a time penalty, something like that, but it must be fair enough... Thinking about it.
Don Groves (2009-04-17 09:37:49)
Draw offers
I don't see anything ambiguous about sending "Draw offered" or equivalent words to the opponent. It's the same thing as saying those words over the board. The intent is clear and unambiguous.
What is ambiguous to me is allowing a player to send those words to an opponent and then claim later that they were not intended to offer a draw.
Scott Nichols (2009-04-17 12:41:53)
Increase the blinds
A simple solution to shorten poker games is to increase the blinds to like every 20 moves the blinds double. This would put a lot more importance on every hand. This is what is done in major tournaments.
Nick Burrows (2009-04-17 14:35:47)
increasing the blinds?
Poker tournaments, as they stand right now finish much quicker than even rapid chess tournaments.
The current blind structure is good because it encourages skill - which is the point of 'correspondance poker'.
The issue is rather about adjusting the time to penalise defence through inactivity.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-17 19:28:33)
Poker vs. Chess
I agree with Nick on this. 3 rounds & 100 chips by round is the only way to play "deep poker" IMHO (also to try to have significant ratings). In some cases, such a rule may work also for chess & Go, but it should probably be different as the number of moves is really different in each game, that's a problem. Let's try anyway.
Maybe the increment could not be added if the move has been played in more than a week (7 days), what do you think ? Not too hard and it may incitate to continue to play !?
Nick Burrows (2009-04-17 19:46:43)
increment
That is certainly an improvement, whether it is enough to solve people 'dying' is unclear.
Perhaps, change to this and see how it plays out.
Normajean Yates (2009-04-18 00:53:38)
Don, why is the tick box there, then?
Don (Groves), I don't see that someone who can clearly say 'I offer draw' can find ticking the 'draw offer' box *in addition* so difficult.
Some people are *not* courteous, (remember, we both had this common chess-opponent who just would not resign days after being checkmated; Thibault adjudicated both our games?) that's why I prefer unambiguous rules. I dont mean I prefer legalese everywhere; far from it; I just think that, say in the case under discussion, ticking the 'draw offer box' (in addition to courteous remarks on the position etc if any) is unambiguous and simple, so why make it complicated?
If only people were all showed a certain minimum level of niceness; if only people didn't retract verbal draw offers (without draw box ticked) on ficgs; if only people didn't kill; if only people didn't run concentration / extermination camps, if only people didn't drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and so on - it would be a much more beautiful world. But sadly, things are not so...
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-04-18 22:24:35)
GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_I__000012??
I could open my games in
GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_I__000011
and GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU__000072
and I made my moves there,
but I can't open GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_I__000012.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-18 22:37:46)
Time penalty
I'm afraid you're right. I have to find a more efficient rule :/
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-04-18 23:01:13)
pending games
From my beginning here at ficgs I was only in the pending games-mode. There was the problem.
I just made a move in KYU_I__000012 during the all games-mode.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-04-18 23:09:55)
3 my games-modes
I just saw that there are 3 my games-modes!
From my beginning here at ficgs I was only in the running games-mode.
I just made a move in KYU_I__000012 during the pending games-mode.
My problem seems to be the running games-mode!
Normajean Yates (2009-04-18 23:17:19)
Don+Rodolfo, what about verbal *moves* ?
By the same logic, what is wrong with my saying 'my next move will be Ne4' and helpfully putting a link in the message to a diagram of the resulting position?
after all, you get clock time for free, because you are thinking on my time!
Would you consider *that* binding? If so, would it be 'binding' for you to do the right thing i.e. request Thib to add time to my clock and subtract it from yours? [if Thib. doesnt, at least you tried..)] ;)
Extending the logic - start a game here but make moves informally by email, AFTER the game is over then for ficgs's record we repeat those moves on the ficgs board [which is still at starting pos.] --- how much of that is 'binding'?
Normajean Yates (2009-04-18 23:22:12)
actually, there is a rule to cover this!
Quoting Last para of rule 11.2 - "The rules assume that FICGS referees have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding the solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FICGS appeals to all its members to accept this view."
Translation: Thibault's decision is final. ;)
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-04-18 23:30:39)
Only in Kyu I 00012
My problem with the running games-mode is not in
FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU_I__000011
and not in FICGS__GO__TOURNAMENT_KYU__000072
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-19 03:46:53)
Rules
Thanks Nick ! Normajean has a point on the verbal moves. About rule 11.2 and this issue, the aim is not for me to force a decision, not even to take the good decision as I'm not sure in this case, it is only to build accurate & understandable rules so that every player know what to do without having to ask.
Michael Sharland (2009-04-19 04:31:12)
Reduce the time bank maximum
If the goal is not to shorten games but to allow lost or abandoned games to conclude in a timely manner than the solution is simple. Just reduce the maximum time bank from 100 days to something much lower such as 20 days. This will force some level of steady play without changing the speed at which almost all games are played. A maximum of this level can be built to quickly but still allows for a temporary suspension of a game if life intrudes. I think this is a fair compromise.
Normajean Yates (2009-04-19 04:41:26)
But thibault, you already have them!
Thibault, you say: About rule 11.2 and this issue, the aim is [...] only to build accurate & understandable rules.
But, on this issue, you already *have* a very easily understandable rule - tick draw offer box and make move and send it (for making draw offer). That is very accurate and easy, isn't it. So what is the problem?
And in general, for rules of games, [except in mathematics :)] it is understood that what is not mentioned is not true (if the situation is such that this is expected by common use of language). For example, about move of the knight, we say that it moves fom one end to the diagonally opposite end of a 2x3 rectangle, and can jump over pieces while doing so. Since nothing else is mentioned about knight moves, it is understood that the knight cannot move legally except in this way. [In mathematics, we would have to explicitly say: 'the knight moves in the above way AND IN NO OTHER WAY.']
Don Groves (2009-04-19 08:08:48)
Verbal moves are impossible
Sorry, Normajean, but in order to send anything, including a message, you must press the "Send" button. If there is no move in the "Move" box, the send will be rejected. Good try though ;-)
Conditional moves are already forbidden by FICGS, so that doesn't work either.
Don Groves (2009-04-19 08:21:09)
Ending abandoned games
This requires more programming for our already overworked director, but how about having the system send an email to anyone who has not played a move in a certain (to be determined) time period asking if that player intends to continue the game and requesting that s/he resign if the answer is no?
The message could also request an RSVP and, if no response is forthcoming, the game is ended. This handles a common situation in Internet games where a player enters some games, then after a short time never returns to the site.
This seems like a reasonable thing to do and it doesn't change any existing rules or time controls.
Normajean Yates (2009-04-19 23:36:02)
imagine...
imagine there's no country...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-21 10:07:07)
Players per team
(fixed size) because one player per table may be the best choice (at lest the simplest).
Normajean Yates (2009-04-23 00:12:57)
Lehnhoff, you are not the only one..
see my prev post in this thread: called imagine... and the post is: 'imagine there's no country...' [the john lennon song]
I wasn't joking (I don't joke about lennon's *post-beatles* songs); in fact my position is stronger: if this is going to be *primarily* a nationality-based thing (even if mixed-nationality teams were allowed) then I am not interested in this.
Which comes down to, I suppose, that: I am not interested in this. (without 'if's and 'but's. A USA-an would put it thus: I am not interested in this, period.)
Wayne Lowrance (2009-04-23 00:52:43)
FICGS Olympiad
Okey Dokey fair enough. As I said I liked the original proposal, I thought it was a unique idea and an "Olympiad" similiar to Olympics Chess, country against country.
I was always very active in sports in my youth. Maybe that is why I perked up when I read Mr Taylor's post. I am usually involved in a lot of tournament chess and outside activities and would make an entry for an "Olympiad event" despite my heavy work loads.
Wayne
Nick Burrows (2009-04-23 01:03:09)
The Lennon Olympiad
Well i don't believe that a competitive game that symbolically warfare is very much in the spirit of John Lennon in the first place.
I feel for a team competition to work there needs to be a strong theme, playing with a random collection of players to me feels like a 'meaningless' competition.
Playing by nationality is a well established theme that is used in every single competitive sport, because it creates interest - that is all. The team members immediately have something in common, and can play as if mimmicking the real thing. Just as kids playing soccer pretend to be in the world cup...
@William - To begin with there will only be enough interest for one competition, hence the extreme views. It's just a healthy dialectic weighing up the various merits. I always seem to be in the minority ;-(
Don Groves (2009-04-23 22:42:08)
It's even worse than that!
Even if I send him a private message, the system still thinks it's my turn, so he cannot move... Help!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-23 23:32:47)
Like over the board...
Over the board, if my opponent offers a draw when it's my turn, I don't even look at him and keep thinking. I would do the same in this case (it's my turn, but the draw offer is not valid)
Normajean Yates (2009-04-24 00:33:24)
me too: I just ignore the draw offer..
It has happened three times here in *one* game: an ongoing chess game of mine here on ficgs. :)
[The first time *I* offered the draw. Opponent moved, thereby automatically declining and cancelling the draw offer. The other two times *opponent* offered the draw and I moved.]
(btw I declined the offers not out of spite but because I have a win: all lines I tried give me a win. It is a most interesting game: since the annotations will not appear on the record; I'll just say that opponent returned my early exchange-sacrifice setting a trap: I could have reached Q and 3 pawns v Q, but opponent would then draw by perpetual! The [probable] winning line has Q and 2 pawns v Q and P, but my centralised Q and promotion threats win!)
It does look to me like a mountain is being made out of less than a molehill.. (not by me - I didn't start this.)
This post was to illustrate how there is *no* problem at all[1]; and neither me nor my opponent (both were playing their first games when the game began) saw any problem at all.
this is my last post on this topic.
[1] If there is at all a problem here, it is of the same level as the 'problem' that the following rule is not mentioned in ficgs-rules:
. 'gn is not allowed in chess unless n is an integer between 1 and 8 inclusive, where 1 and 8 are to interpreted as the standard numerals standing for integers in the ordered real-closed field R, with the *canonical* ordering. (As opposed to, say, an integer in the domain Z[2+i*sqrt(5)] or an integer in some exotic Grothendieck topos).
;)
Normajean Yates (2009-04-24 00:56:04)
re William Taylor's question..
William Taylor asked (whether the question was rhetorical or literal is not germane to this post of mine): 'Would you refuse to take part in the real chess olympiad if you were asked?'
Speaking for myself: Yes, I would refuse. (But I would not hold it against people who didn't, of couse.)
Nationality based competition tends to *divide*. Witness the hatred triggered by England-Argentina football games. Club-based competion is less divisive because players switch clubs much more often than they switch nationality.
The problem is that it 'constructs' 'The Other'. Then one *defines* oneself in opposition to The Other. (Analogous to how the Occident defined itself by constructing 'The Orient': as described in detail for the Levantine ('near'- near what?) East' by late Edward Said in his famous book 'Orientalism' - a theme followed up in his almost equally famous book 'Culture and Imperialism'.)
Thank you for reading this.
Nick Burrows (2009-04-24 01:49:31)
International Competition
I disagree that international competition divides. Within the countries it unites.
The example of England v Argentina is different because of their recent political history, and because football in particular has a culture of 'yob' support. In England it was created from club football rivalry
Does the olympics divide? Or the Davis cup? Olympiad?
I believe they create something where otherwise there is nothing.
Every action is a positive action, even if it has a negative result.
By definition, playing for a team implies playing against. Your win is their loss, but you shake hands and say well done - remembering that it's 'just a game'! In the process, everyones level is raised, and something worthwhile is created. Just don't take it too seriously or symbolically!
Normajean Yates (2009-04-24 03:42:02)
something to be said for both sides...
Nick, there is something to be said for both sides, I think. [In fact for points along the entire spectrum, since William Taylor called my views extreme - not without some justification :) - so I suppose there could be moderate no-country views, moderate pro-country views, centrist views, 'no opinion' views' ... :)
All I am doing is presenting my P.O.V. - I don't insist that I am right - in fact I doubt that the views I expressed are absolutely correct... I would like to see diverse shades of opinion on this, and I presented mine, and I am glad you(and others) presented theirs.
My personal 'thank you' for posting..
P.S.: I watch all the important world cup (football - that is soccer) on the telly :)
I am not *that* consistent - nobody is, I suppose...
Normajean Yates (2009-04-24 05:24:14)
re lennon/yko ono and chess...
Oh dear, quoting lennon's 'imagine' made me some sort a sitting duck but nobody's noticed it yet so I'll preempt that line of attack by pointing it out myself :)
I had forgotten, in the 'no more war' (that was the Vietnam war) sit-ins /bed-ins /exhibitions/ 'happenings' by Ono and Lennon, Yoko Ono had exhibited this sequence of chess sets where the two sides were indistinguishable --- or, more clearly, there was only one side - there was no 'Other'. [and only Yoko Ono 'playing']..
So, if I were to be consistent, I shouldn't be playing chess or any competitive game - against living beings at any rate - here or anywhere -:(
But, saved by something Thibault used to have on this site [I suppose it is still one of those quotes whose turn to be the 'featured quote' comes] - essentially, one is competing against oneself...
but woe! :(
If so, then once I have won a game [ie see the win clearly] why do I insist on actually completing the game, if I am 'only' competing against oneself?
I think I managed to score something which has the feel of an own goal ^^:-|
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-25 02:58:14)
:o)
Do not worry, Don.. seeing our Go games, you still have all your head :) Anyway, the problem still does exist theorically, but I still think such draw offers shouldn't be considered.
Normajean, I'd love to understand all what you're writing here :) .. too bad that my english level is not so good (my general knowledge tambien ;) [actually general knowledge often looks like quite a waste of time to me (not exactly to justify myself [this is another debate :)])])
William Taylor (2009-04-25 21:01:49)
39 responses
...and this will be the 40th. There's obviously lots of interest but we don't seem to be nearing a consensus. Perhaps it's time to make a decision, Thibault?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-25 21:32:16)
Teams, not olympiads this time
In my opinion, thinking about kind of olympiads is too early yet. We may try to build some friendly teams (4 players per team) with funny names - could be a contest also :) -, then we can start a tournament. But no doubt that we'll discuss olympiads again... just later.
Normajean Yates (2009-04-26 17:51:27)
to Don: re courtesy(contd.)
This is a continuation - to be precise, completion - of the post of mine earlier in this thread; the post titled 'Don, why is the tick box there, then?'.
I said in that post 'Some people are *not* courteous': and something stirred in my memory and I remember it now so It has to be said.
In the international chat box some months ago, I posted something about Goerge Orwell fighting in the Spanish civil-war - the anti-fascist-Iberian-uprising part of it, to wit - as part of P.O.U.M. - a marxist but independent-of-moscow (and soon crushed by Moscow) party which co-operated closely with the anarchists (CNT-FAI)(Confederación Nacional del Trabajo - Federación Anarquista Ibérica).
Well I only reached as far as the P.O.U.M. when *you* (Don Groves) interrupted by posting (in the international chat box) "what are you smoking, Normajean?"
Now, Mr Groves, I leave it to you to decide whether it is not *extremely* discourteous, not to say downright bloody rude, to innuendo that someone who [in fact] posted something above your intellectual level is therefore not making sense and is in fact on street drugs.
What I smoke or not smoke is my bloody business; the point here is that you are free to take the view find that all string-theory papers (just visit http://arxiv.org/) and so on are nonsense and therfore the authors and the referees are all on street drugs; and Hawkins and Penrose are, and Einstein was, on street drugs likewise (for it is commonly cranky *engineers* who tend to equate general relativity with its weak-field-limit/approximation);
But;
Since I haven't yet heard anything from you that has a hint of a modicum of apology for that *insulting* (or, on the least worst construction, extremely *partonising*) remark of yours; so:
People playing chess against you would be well advised to have clear rather than informal rules, because the evidence suggests that you are part of the 'be-gratuitously-rude' club.
In my opinion.
Thank you for reading this.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-26 18:25:36)
courtesy
Hi Normajean,
As for me (and my extremely weak english), I'm not sure if all this is off-topic or not but most probably I could have said that myself, only meaning that your verve is really impressive on any subject (that's why I asked you for the quotes file), not a mockery. I hope you did not take it bad.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-26 23:20:26)
I mean...
I meant that I do not think that "what are you smoking ?" is insulting, at least when it's said to you (in that context, because of your verve compared to most people) - it is really familiar though. If Don does not realise when he's insulting by saying this, I'm not sure that everyone realise he/she's insulted when he/she's told that.
As for Grothendieck, I prefer not to look at his works until I have a broadband connection, it may take too much time. (33 kbps here, yes!)
Normajean Yates (2009-04-27 00:09:24)
Thib, the point is:
There are two points, actually:
1. I don't really know him. It wouldn't be at all insulting if a face-to-face friend of some duration said it.
2. Don Groves is obviously the square-hat type, definitely not the hippie type; very likely disapproves of street drugs; he probably even goes to church regularly or something; quotes regularly from the bible; and so on.
Now what type he is is *his* business not mine; my point of view is that coming from *his* type; "what are you smoking?" is insulting.
To sum up: basically, since I dont know him; *and* he is the 70-year old generation, *and* he has given no prior evidence there is no prior evidence that he approves of street-drugs; so he has no business asking me "what are you smoking", and it is in fact an insult to me to do so.
Normajean Yates (2009-04-27 00:17:39)
Thib; Grothendieck and vietnam..
Thib, at least, look up Grothendieck's solidarity with Vietnam: he first presented the new foundations of algebraic geometry (which later formed his book EGA) at a seminar in the jungles near Hanoi when the USA was saturation-bombing Hanoi (the guerrillas has shifted the university to the jungles for the seminar for Grothendieck's safely; Grothendieck did not want it but it was argued it that because of his presence the University might be "accidentally" targetted by the USA which might result in deaths of lots of people, not only him.)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-27 14:29:37)
Normajean,
Once more, I do not know you well of course, but I could have said it also *because* IMHO there's no need of great reasonings to make one's own idea about you by reading this forum, your verve helps a lot and you said many things about yourself.
As far as I know Don (mostly through this forum - noone knows how you actually know him [point 1, btw "I don't really know him" and "Don Groves is obviously..." is quite ambitious :)]), you're totally wrong in your point 2, of course I may be wrong myself but by reading his posts in this forum, I have a very different idea.
Finally everyone makes his own opinion, no matter, but whatever this sentence was familiar or insulting, noone but yourself can approve or disapprove here so I don't see the point to respond in this thread indeed, a private discussion would have been ok to disentangle all this, I suppose :)
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-04-27 22:15:23)
Team tournament.
Thibault, I think You should open a waiting list with a some deadline point. After that time the teams of four can be created according to the average rating. IMO the teams average ratings should be as close as possible to each other.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2009-04-28 14:50:51)
Smoke !!!
Hi, I do not smoke, but in a shop I bought a pair of pants made of hemp, very nice, the texture very similar to another natural fibre, linen.
Normajean Yates (2009-04-29 01:11:05)
I was horrible, pl. forgive if possible
I can't believe I wrote all those horrible things... I'd rather be a kind idiot than an intelligent but arrogant rude person. I dont know what came over me..
I'll make no excuses... I'll try to be a better person...
Until then, I don't deserve anyone's friendship.
I will confess that I am considered *sometimes* rude and arrogant by old friends - they say I have improved but have I? Behind the anonymity of the internet am I still the same?
I'll assume that I am, and I will really improve. You people will see the change; it would be too presumptuous of me at present to promise anything; after what I did..
PS: I, too, am not religious but I am spiritual - in fact I have more than once used that exact phrasing to describe myself, though not here before..
Don Groves (2009-04-29 01:17:07)
Normajean
I have done much the same at times so it's not my place to throw stones, Normajean. As far as I'm concerned, it's forgiven and forgotten. I know you will have a harder time forgiving yourself, and I know that from bitter experience also.
Nick Burrows (2009-04-29 01:20:44)
All you need is
Maybe you two can share a joint sometime? ;-))
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-29 11:31:46)
K factor
Thanks for sharing your opinion Wayne, in comparison, the "K factor"-like here at FICGS is really high, I still wonder sometimes if it should be changed or not even if it allow players to find their place in the rating list quite quickly...
Normajean Yates (2009-04-29 13:48:23)
Nick Burrows, great idea!
"Maybe you two can share a joint sometime? ;-))" - yes, that works.
Thib is a real sage; truly said Scott!
And Don,I agree "all we need is weed" - as long as it is not jimsonweed (Datura) - I tried it three times and I think that is two times more than one should in a lifetime... oh I dont know, some people *can* handle it, so who am I to advise them ? [in case any datura-veteran happens to read this]
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-29 14:17:53)
1st team tournament !
Hello all,
As you may have read in the forum previously, the idea of a team chess tournament came up (originally Olympiad, maybe later).
The 1st FICGS CHESS TEAM TOURNAMENT will start on May 15th, 2009. Each team must be made of 4 players, whatever their ratings.
The tournament will be a single round-robin tournament, games will be unrated (just for fun !), time control : 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves.
You may contact other players through the form in My Messages (bottom) or just make a call here in this thread or in the chat bar to find partners, the definitive teams should be announced with their name in this thread to be in !
We might also vote for the funniest team name after the tournament started, be aware ;)
Have fun :-)
Nick Burrows (2009-04-29 17:26:16)
Carlos Castanaeda
If it's a Jimson Weed joint that you share, instead of the 'teachings of Don Juan' - it can be the teachings of Don Groves!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-29 21:59:19)
Player games search
Right.. not a mockery, I know that the site is not clear enough on such things, sometimes there are so many ways, but none is really obvious :)
Don Groves (2009-04-30 08:10:35)
Game search
One feature I would like to see is to simply type a game number into the search box as an option to typing a player name.
Scott Nichols (2009-04-30 10:00:53)
Great improvement
I've been hoping for just such a button. When you've played many tournaments, the running tourney button is very nice, thanks Thibault.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-30 11:51:21)
Xavier Pichelin is old and new WC
Hi Wolfgang ! I suppose the score (12-0) can't give an exact image of the games that were really interesting so far, I hope we'll have a few comments from Xavier on the games...
Anyway, all the best to you and take care, cycling may be more dangerous than chess sometimes :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-04-30 12:19:22)
How to enter...
There's no simple way to build teams (particularly friendly teams), players may directly contact friends or announce here that they want to build a team and wait for other players to contact him...
Benjamin Block (2009-04-30 18:09:40)
Thanks
finished tournaments is not importent. It is already great.
Hannes Rada (2009-04-30 19:16:18)
Wolfgang's retirement
Wolfgang, I am really shocked about your decision.
However I can understand, that from time to time someone needs a break from the daily chess analysis routine.
Although some of the positions look favourable for Xavier, I think that most of them could be defended.
I thought that according the rules games will not be rated if less then 10 moves are played.
So imho this match should be rated and we should not have any problem with Xavier's 2682 rating.
And we know also now the next WC:
Xavier Pichelin - Edward Kotlyanskiy !
Scott Nichols (2009-04-30 23:58:53)
Rated or unrated?
I would play either way. Usually, I only will play rated, but I would think this format would work just as well unrated.
The theme I think is fun here, with fun names. I was thinking of all kinds of bizarre openings to try, but would need to think twice about opening choice if it was rated. It sorta goes back to Michael Aigner's point on unrated tournaments IMHO. Thank you for having this new style.
The incentive in rated games is simply not to lose points if you lose, or to gain points if you win. In team chess, this incentive is not needed. The incentive is that you do not want your teammates to beat you up if you lose. ;-)
Normajean Yates (2009-05-01 04:18:45)
Sphie's soln is a tad more interesting..
arguably. Because, the L16-B instead of moving away, comes to k15 to be captured..
Interestingly, (very minor point) both Philip and Sophie mistype the checkmating move 5.Q(k3)xk15 mate: Philip gives 5.Qk3xk13, Sophie gives 5.Qxk5... (I just noticed it because I was reading what was meant, not what was written..)
Finally, by 'she' I meant 'she or he': I sometimes do...
Normajean Yates (2009-05-01 04:22:07)
only, searches dont give transpositions
Or do they, now? Have the hashtables been implemented? (in wikichess search and in game-search by movelist)
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-01 05:09:37)
8 moves
I am man....
The presence of knight around the king protect him from worst idiocy, I don,t think a lone queen can mate sooner
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-01 20:37:34)
transpositions
no, transpositions have not been implemented yet :/ patience, patience...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-01 20:57:25)
Applying FICGS rules
I just had a deeper look at the 12 games and I applied FICGS rules only (just like in the match Lacrosse-Ghysens).
According to me, Xavier has an advantage in game 28302, it is not so clear in game 28305 but IMO this game should be rated also. As a result, 4 games will be rated in this match, Xavier's future rating is now 2577.
William Taylor (2009-05-02 12:27:29)
Will
Will - if you look at the other thread (called '1st team tournament !') you'll see that we're running a team tournament rather than an Olympiad, so teams can be international. An Olympiad may be discussed again in the future but I don't think Thibault has immediate plans for one.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-02 23:08:45)
Engines
Maybe next time, could be an idea !
William Taylor (2009-05-03 01:36:13)
Team tournament ethics
Good question Don. In OTB team tournaments team members might help each other to prepare for an opponent before the game, but of course couldn't help during the game. I'm not sure if we'll know who our opponents are before the games have started here, so that approach may not be possible. It would be nice to have some sort of cooperation, but one thing that should be avoided IMO is a strong player getting 3 weaker team members and essentially playing their games for them.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-06 11:57:15)
Scoring
I agree with William on this point, if a team scores 4-0 or 3-1, it is 2 points for the team, 1 point if the score is 2-2, 0 otherwise.
This time the games will be unrated as a test (maybe this will be a rated tournament next time), I think it is a good occasion to play more unusual openings, this is for fun after all :)
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-06 16:14:00)
team tournament
Consider me in. I dont care whether it is rated or not. As to points score, we can do it in both ways: total points score and 2-1-0 points system. I would join any team with a big pleasure.
Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-07 00:59:45)
Any one join team
TEAM NAME:Our Team
1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648
2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396
3.Sophie Leclerc
4.Benjamin Block
-------------------
5.Vadim Khachaturov
any one join each country 4 active members only
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-07 02:40:52)
team
I can join, I'll mail my friend and if possible, we should add him to our, Yugi_inving, he only a low rating because of me.
Yugi Inving will be a good addition..
Don,t worry, the thibeault team will not win too much game. If only Yugi could work for us and stop working on his engine. (It should be finished.)
And for the name, What about The_phantoms ?
Iouri Basiliev (2009-05-07 11:32:54)
1st team tournament !
If someone from Ukraine want to play in the team - please answer here or write to me. Preliminary team name is "Yellow-Blue Warriors" :)
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-08 10:38:12)
1st team tournament
Would anyone like to join the team with a provisory name " the summer breeze" ?
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-09 01:45:17)
summer breeze
You are welcome, Sophie ! What about Jorge? If he agrees, we will be three already.
Jorge Orden (2009-05-09 12:24:00)
I accept
Vadim, i accept your invitation but i don't know how do it.
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-09 21:49:51)
Sure you accept^
Right.
Then we need to find another player.
We will contact the webmaster once our team is created. We should see who accept, wonder if it could be right for Yugi inving to help us a little with that tournament.
Even if I have to make his move since he don't have a computer. I do not make him win....
The summer breeze is a good name, but I still believe the phantoms suit us more, as no one see us.
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-10 09:11:30)
summer breeze
Ok, Sophie. I accept any name. If Cheshire is not an appropriate name, we can call it summer cats. lol. I hardly imagine, how You can make moves instead of Yugi. If so,and if our opponents have no objections, let it be this way. You just need to know that as soon as possible,cause we still need the fourth player.
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-10 22:13:49)
For the move
He send me his move by e-mail, since I am his friend, I promise I would keep his account and play his on this site and inform him of his opponent sometimes I mess up and play badly a couple of his games or resign them, he grew angry at me...
I don't think our opponent will have any objection, they will just ask to not be stupid and to not play for him.
I can reconnize his account now, he set it in french..
Normajean Yates (2009-05-11 02:07:31)
thoughts on Big Chess... and tips...
I find bigchess more and more fascinating.. I Think it is a wonderful creation of Thibault's (I presume it is Thib. who created it: any way he offers it seriously on this site...) - the starting position is very well-concieved..
I think Bigchess needs more publicity. This is about the only place one can play it - and here there are 2-3 top-class players; less than 20 middle-standard players (including me); others try it once or twice and for some reason get scared or overwhelmed and give up - I see no reason why..
Bigchess gives no advantage on account of huge memorisation of theory, or of better engines: there are *no* theory books; and there are no known engines in existence (probably there isnt one - too little demand, and writing a *good* engine is somewhat laborious, coming up with a *good* static-eval function is tricky, fast board-implementation issues...), so it is all wits...
In fact last week I spend part of two days writing down whatever theory I could discover [with help from top games], it comes to half a page..
Tips for people who want to try bigchess:
1. Bishops are much more powerful than Knights. (because of much longer range compared to 8x8 chess).
The consensus on the values of bigchess pieces is David Grosdemange's valuation:
pawn=1
knight=2.5 (written 2,5 in the continent, of course)
bishop=4
rook=6
queen=11
2. In the opening position, the c,f,L and o-pawns are unprotected.
So, if white's opening move is with the j2-Knight ( freeing the queen), then on move 2 white can move the Queen and threaten to pick up a pawn by forks.. Similarly for black.
*However*, such pawn gambits are quite playable because the Queen can be forced to make many moves to capture a pawn, while the gambitting side develops their pieces.
3. Most Important For Many People: board for offline analysis.
Best of course, is to take time to draw a 16x16 board on paper and stick it on cardboard. And get hold of four sets of chess pieces.
Another way: print a position, and after a move is made - just update the position using correction fluid (typewriter/printer-ink erasing fluid) or something. That way you don't have to keep printng a lot of positions.
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-11 21:22:06)
Name
Ok,Sophie. But remember, You should do one more thing: give a correct name for our team.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-11 21:27:26)
Bigchess pieces values
Actually the value of the knight seems to change a lot during a game, according to the left pawns positions.
200 or 300 moves is not so much compared to a poker game (that can be over 1000), but some games may be really time consuming when the position gets really complex... Well, we play for this kind of fun after all ;)
Normajean Yates (2009-05-12 00:47:43)
more bigchess thoughts..
compared to 8x8 chess, bigchess has twice the number of men but four-times the number of squares. Hence, initial and average board-population density is half that of 8x8chess. So, games are more commonly 'open' - games as closed as an 8x8-chess closed game will be comparatively rare.
Hence, also, (because of low population-density) long-range pieces Rook, Bishop and Queen are *in general* -- Thib., agreed: only 'in general' :) --- much more powerful than their 8x8-chess counterparts.
However, the queen can still get trapped early - see my game number 31191 - opp resigned on my [black's] 7th move because of trapped Queen..
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=31191&flip=1
Normajean Yates (2009-05-11 03:52:01)
Daniel, I think you underestimate Rs...
you give B=4, R=4.5 but in the endgame specially, the Rooks pull their weight..15th ('7th' file), escorting Ps to promotion, ...
About people playing on to mate after being a Q down or so without counterchances, well a bigger player-pool is needed ... plus I understand some newbie players not being so sure that mate is easy in a given pos (though much lengthier than in chess) - so, we need *more* non-newbie players!
And a non-newbie begins as a newbie: however, I agree that's not the whole story -- some people *will* play on to mate...one sees that in chess (8x8) too -
lets see: my bigchess record: 17/17 - wow! (with 1 pending: it is still in the gambit-opening stage)
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-11 04:27:15)
You join
Well, Parmet I haven't mail yugi yet..
What about him Vadim ?
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-11 05:39:56)
team tournament
About Yugi or Daniel? We have one place only. Any of them two are ok. But for me, its better, when the player make his moves by himself.
Scott Nichols (2009-05-11 14:19:28)
Poker norms?
Since corr. poker is so new and innovative, do you think Thib that you can come up with some levels that we could earn poker IM, or poker GM titles?
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-11 15:29:48)
My prefered team
Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden
That would be the team I prefer.
I believe we will be to keep up with other for a while.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-11 21:12:38)
Poker titles
This is a good idea ! We still need some time to see how ratings evolve but it may be an interesting innovation... To be continued !
Garvin Gray (2009-05-12 15:45:18)
2100 player here
i am still looking for a team if there are players out there of similar rated players around 2100 or so.
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-13 01:10:06)
Team tournament
Finally! So, here is our team, called "The Ghost Knights". 1. Vadim Khachaturov, 2. Yugi Inving, 3. Sophie Leclerc, 4.Jorge Orden.
Stanimir Denchev (2009-05-13 09:07:13)
I need a team :)
Stanimir Denchev 1659
Stanimir Denchev (2009-05-13 09:20:47)
Anyone need a player ?
I wish to play in the team tournament.
I don't have team now
Normajean Yates (2009-05-15 21:00:55)
yes, and:
no team is called 'the crusaders' so perhaps 'moudjahidienne' is not appropriate.. though I suggested the french spelling [I hope I got it right this time] becuse it reminds English-speakers of Algerian freedom fighters [the religious ones - iirc the term does *not* occur in Frantz Fanon's 'the wretched of the earth' nor in Sartre's famous introduction to that book] against France; and not the taliban-types - though when the mujahidin were fighting the *soviets* with US help [understatement], Nixon called them freedom-fighters..
I am not sure whether jihad means 'holy war' or just 'war' - in the latter case mujahidin would mean or would have meant warriors.. ('crusaders' - from the derivation from the cross, definitely meant holy warriors - I say 'meant' because to say 'mean' would be to commit the etymological fallacy (i.e. equating etymology with current meaning; which would make 'wife' a synonym of 'cow' or something iirc..)
Don (Groves), or anyone volunteering, please look it up --- I am so exhausted now I don't have the energy. Maybe in a couple of days - now I am suddenly curious about this - what does and did 'jihad' actually mean - does or did it necessarily have holy connotations?
The term itself is from pre-Islamic polytheistic Arabia, (Mohammed was *not* known for coining new words - that was *Shakespeare* (and later, Joyce ;)) strengthening my doubts..
Normajean Yates (2009-05-17 03:09:39)
Don : point of etymology revisited!
Don Groves posted and I agreed:'"The Arabic suffix "uddin" or "idin" means "of the faith." Hence a mujahidin is a "warrior of the faith," or a holy warrior.'
Still havent gotten down to learning to use the oxford arabic-english dictionary, but:
Don, I'm afraid your derivation won't do - you might still be right, but not for the reason you gave.
You see, mujahideen is just the plural of 'mujahid', 'mujahid' = one who does 'jihad' [arabic and hebrew are both semitic languages: people who use the term 'anti-semite' often forget this (because of the nonscientific 'ham' and 'sam' myths thrown in - so like hebrew, arabic has this - root in the middle, and modification affects the root and possibly adds prefix and suffix.. i remember reading this in chomsky - linguistic paper not political)
Khatoon (= lady; no religious overtone here); plural Khwateen = ladies
Talib (=student); plural Taliban
Mujahid (='jihad'-doer); plural Mujahideen
So we are back to the question:
Etymologically speaking, does 'jihad' just mean war, or does it mean holy war? (the current meaning is a different question..)
On this point: until 2001 no one including me would see any problem in saying - such-and-such is a lone crusader for human rights (or for animal rights, or for the separation of church and state, or for whatever cause) -
Bush-Cheney-Blair&co since ensured that the word 'crusade' became an avoidable word again..
Imagine reading the following sentence in 1999, and in 2009:
"Richard Dawkins has launched a *crusade* against all religions in general, and against christianity in paricular." ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-17 23:11:38)
Complete teams !
The team tournament should start very soon, complete teams are :
>> Yellow-Blue Warriors
Iouri Basiliev
Dmytro Romaniuk
Ostap Hladky
Yura Lemehov
>> Happy Pawn
Stephane Legrand 2209
Garvin Gray 2125
Daniel Parmet 1961
Ilmar Cirulis 1805
>> FSF En Passant
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270)
Volker Koslowski (2264)
Sebastian Boehme (2175)
Roland Markus (2096)
>> The Ghost Knights
Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden
>> The knights who say "Ni"
Michael Aigner - 2602
Xavier Pichelin - 2577
Hannes Rada - 2559
Thibault de Vassal - 2473
>> The Dark Knights
William Taylor - 2140
Scott Nichols - 2089
Don Groves - 1991
Josef Riha - 1989
Players without a team yet (one team is possible, with 3 more players, we could build one more) :
1. Ranganathan Raman
2. Alexander Blinchevsky
3. Stanimir Denchev
4. Benjamin Block
5. Murray Findlay
Did I forget someone ? So we have 6 complete teams + 5 players without a team.
We should be able to start the tournament in a few days ! :)
Benjamin Block (2009-05-18 15:14:20)
Forgoted one.
Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-07 00:59:45)
Any one join team
TEAM NAME:Our Team
1.Murray, Findlay (GBR) ELO : 1648
2.Raman, Ranganathan(IND)ELO :1396
3.Sophie Leclerc
4.Benjamin Block
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5.Vadim Khachaturov
any one join each country 4 active members only
It is 7 teams + 1 player without team.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-18 15:23:59)
Teams
Hi Benjamin, if you read all posts in this thread by reverse chronological order, you'll see that Sophie and Vadim are in the "Ghost Knights" team. (am I wrong ?)
Normajean Yates (2009-05-22 01:53:05)
re William Taylor: one of those things..
One of those cases where it is *not* easiest to explain the easiest/most elegant way [unless one is physically present..]
This is IMO also one of the reasons why - given decently competent teachers - online/distance-education is no substitute for attending classes the old-fashioned way... attending a few classes anyway ;)
[Back to concentrating on what I was doing ie listening to old
Barbra-Streisand-songs on this machine.. :)]
William Taylor (2009-05-22 07:28:56)
Different world championships
I qualified for FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_2_GROUP_04__000004 from tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_07__000004, not tournament FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_02__000005.
However, I didn't win that tournament either - I came second.
My initial guess as to how I qualified from that one is that more than 1 player needed to qualify to make up numbers for the next round - it was quite a large group and I seem to remember reading something about that in the rules. Second guess - Vadim Khachaturov withdrew. Third guess - the large sum of money that I sent Thibault with an e-mail saying 'please let me into the second round' had the desired effect.
That answer is based on about 30 seconds' thought - I'll have a closer look when I get back from what I suspect will be a highly unpleasant physics exam.
Vadim Khachaturov (2009-05-22 11:13:20)
WC reglament
William, there is the fourth and the most real reason of all this. The number of groups for the second stage changes unexpectedly from WC to WC (3-5). Its clear, that the number of winning place in first stage group will change too.It brings to some paradoxal situations. E.g. my proceeding to the second stage after sharing 3-5th places in WC 3, and not proceeding after sharing 1-2nd in WC 5.The worst thing is that one cannot know how many groups of stage 2 will be before WC starts.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-23 00:31:31)
1st team tournament : games & results !
A new thread to comment the games & results in the 1st FICGS team tournament that just started ! The teams are :
>> The knights who say "Ni"
Michael Aigner - 2602
Xavier Pichelin - 2577
Hannes Rada - 2559
Thibault de Vassal - 2473
>> FSF En Passant
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270)
Volker Koslowski (2264)
Sebastian Boehme (2175)
Roland Markus (2096)
>> The Dark Knights
William Taylor - 2140
Scott Nichols - 2089
Don Groves - 1991
Josef Riha - 1989
>> Happy Pawn
Stephane Legrand 2209
Garvin Gray 2125
Daniel Parmet 1961
Ilmar Cirulis 1805
>> Yellow-Blue Warriors
Iouri Basiliev
Dmytro Romaniuk
Ostap Hladky
Yura Lemehov
>> The Ghost Knights
Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden
>> The Knights with no name (yet)
Alexander Blinchevsky
Stanimir Denchev
Benjamin Block
Ranganathan Raman
You can follow the games here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_1__000001
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_2__000001
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_3__000001
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__TEAM_EVENT_TABLE_4__000001
Note : The first player displayed in each tournament table is not always the player of the first team because when the 1st & 3rd players of a team play White against another team, the 2nd & 4th play Black against the same team, this is not obvious to read (sorry).
I'm really sorry to the 2 players that were not included in a team, but we had to start the tournament now... The last team may still announce their name (provisional : "The knights with no name")
Have nice games :)
Ranganathan Raman (2009-05-23 00:52:50)
Our Team king
>> The Knights with no name (yet)
TEAM NAME:Our Team King
Alexander Blinchevsky
Stanimir Denchev
Benjamin Block
Ranganathan Raman
Sophie Leclerc (2009-05-23 07:43:14)
I good games
»I think there will plenty of interessing games.
I find it strange to play on table 3, but it may be true that yugi is stronger then me, I just have his number...
Why I could not play versus you thibeault.....
I am not worry, I will hold still for sometimes.
Our team king. what a name to use, ho well, good idea, never tought about it... it feel not original, but it is.
Good games for everyone.
Normajean Yates (2009-05-23 07:55:14)
the knights with no name - is fine!
Doesn't someone remember a film (long ago) called 'A horse with no name'? imdb doesn't list this film; but imdb is not infallible!
Normajean Yates (2009-05-26 12:31:32)
Thib. - best wishes for site in these ..
.. recession times.Improvements, to-do lists etc. can wait if necessary.
I fell in love with the site at first sight - such a classy approach - not like some of the garish american sites.
So I hope that in these times of recession, there is no serious cash flow problems you are facing... I am sure all of us want this site to live long!
Again I say; improvements, to-do lists etc. can wait if necessary: please concentrate on cash flow [if there is a serious problem there] -- that is the practical thing to do. This site is excellent as it is now!
Again, best wishes to Thibault the person, and may ficgs live long!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-26 17:30:46)
Thanks :)
There's no problem with to-do lists.. actually it is just absolutely necessary.. I can't think about everything. I still have many things to improve, this year I developped much more the "other side" of the site and this was very exciting, I learnt a lot while doing this.. that will be useful for future improvements and it brings more and more visitors [the current statistics are about +10% every week for a few months (that's good :))] on the server (I try to redirect as many as potential players as possible here).
Speaking of the server, I'm not afraid of crisis or whatever, the statistics are just better and better now, that helps the site to distribute Epoints (potential money) prizes. Almost nobody claims for real money prizes but that's the finality (to distribute money prizes in free tournaments).. There are plenty of "successful" sites on the internet that offer money prizes (or costly services) for free but all of them are built on unrealistic views IMO, so they implode or cheat in a way as soon as they encounter success. Most of us know about the Facebook case that still lose money. FICGS grew very slowly during 2 or 3 years but IMO it was based on realistic views so don't worry, the site will survive after both of us, I'll take care of that :)
Normajean Yates (2009-05-27 05:02:24)
Thank you Thib: and I am so relieved!
First, about the 'thank you' to Thib.: that is for responding :) Now, to business:
>Thib said: Speaking of the server, I'm not afraid of crisis or whatever, the statistics are just better and better now..
I am so relieved! Seriously.
>Thib. said: FICGS grew very slowly during 2 or 3 years but IMO it was based on realistic views..
Exactly! That was one of the first things I noticed when I discovered this site (early June last year, I think) - I phoned my partner [she and I were in different countries on that day; coincidentally, this month also..] - told her this site *will* survive, and chess.com will *not* survive [too much money wasted by Eric of chess.com even then] - [It was only in in May last year that I had noticed chess.com in its present incarnation (earlier it did *not* offer chess-*playing*, it was a chess-reference-material site only)
(My partner doesn't play chess but of course one doesn't have to be a chess-player to be interested in issues like this!)
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well chess.com has *technically speaking* survived; but there is a graded level of paying members [silver-gold-diamond-platinum-what not] - each year paying membership has to be renewed [I am a free member there; I don't play games there now except on special request :) ] -- and..
Guess what, chess.com in a few months intoduced a system that gave a *playing advantage* to paying members: the more expensive grade you are in, the greater the paying advantage. So, as far as correspondence chess is concerned, can chess.com be now considered a chess site?
(In fact I posted a thread there last year suggesting that they should introduce auction: at any time any of the opponents in a game can bid to win a game. [even if they have lone K against K+Q+Q+R :}] - then if opponent doesn't make a bigger bid then the bidder wins the game. Minimum bid € 20,00 :) (chess.com is a US site ;) )There was some heated discussion over it.. Eric (the site owner - he is a decent chap, all said and done) prudently stayed away from that discussion :)
I posted in various threads there also directly saying that chess.com is probably the only *chess* site where the more you pay, the greater advantage you have in a *game*. Is that chess?
None of the above is defamatory: it is obviously true for anyone to check - and clearly Erik silently agrees - well good luck to him...
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>Thib. said: so don't worry, the site will survive after both of us, I'll take care of that :)
:)
I am sure now that you will :) (but not because both of us will suddenly die tomorrow, I hope ;))
Thibault de Vassal (2009-05-27 23:17:28)
FICGS & chess.com
The example of chess.com is very interesting, I looked at this site (from time to time) growing very fastly, most probably because of investments for good SEO (search engines optimisation) - to start with the domain name - but it still looks like a MFA (Made For Adsense) website even if I'm sure that Eric made good work to offer plenty of services related to chess. Well, I did not check it for a while...
Speaking of auction at chess.com, that's a funny idea and I just wonder why I did not think about a system where you can bet some epoints at any time in any game... maybe I'll think about that, but that's not really important (the very large majority of players do not play for money but for the love of games only).
Normajean Yates (2009-05-28 03:40:31)
Thib, my auction suggestion was sarcasm!
Thib. please read it again (the part where I suggested auction at chess.com - or you can loook at my thread on this there - it is called 'the best chess money can buy' ;)
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/the-best-chess-money-can-buy
(I am not sure whether the link works for members only or for everyone; anyway free membership is a 5-minute process..)
That was sarcasm! I meant this: suppose you are left with K+Q v K. Sure win for you, no? At least you can't lose, even on time (insuff. material) ? Now my sarcastic suggestion was that: opponent bids €20 for the game, now if you cannot bid higher then opponent *wins* the game automatically!
Of course I thought until yesterday that no chess site will offer *that* kind of auction! but you said:
>Speaking of auction at chess.com, that's a funny idea and I just wonder why I did not think about a system where you can bet some epoints at any time in any game...
Surely *you* don't want *that* kind of auction here, do you? ;)
Normajean Yates (2009-05-28 04:27:19)
BTW:
I see that I must have later changed the amount (in that chess.com thread) from €20 to US$200 (on the principle of 'only one sarcasm at a time)... [on chess.com one can change the past, with no traces of change left; *unlike* in wikipedia where it is there in 'edit history'; but *like* in George orwell's book '1984' ;)]
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-03 01:29:29)
Exciting games :)
Hi Sophie,
It can't work every time...
There are many exciting games in the tournament though :)
Scott Nichols (2009-06-03 03:09:30)
Chess is dead? Not hardly.
In his book "The world of chess" by Anthony Saidy the following paragraph appears. "Later in his (Capablanca) career, his play became ever more technical and drawish. He expressed the idea that with the perfection of modern knowledge it would soon be impossible to win a game against a master. Chess would soon reach a "draw death". He even proposed interchanging the initial positions of the Bishops and Knights to inject new life into the game."
An exact quote found earlier in this same book exemplifies more of what this thread is about---In reply to a Steinitz comment Tchigorin replied "Chess is a limitless forum for the human imagination. Each position is a fresh challenge. Rules and book openings, to the creative player, are no more than guidelines to be transcended. Individualize. Each position is new--terra incognita that may contain the seed of a beautiful combination. Gladly give up a pawn in return for the attack. Play chess with joy."
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-03 17:15:24)
At most...
I agree tambien, of course. At most, some positions are "dead", really easy to understand perfectly.
True, it is not so easy to throw some fire on the board in real games at a high level, so in correspondence chess games, but every good player know he has to (if he wants some chances to win at least), so this is the main part of the game nowadays, and when there's fire on board the complexity of the position may be sometimes far away from human and/or chess engines understanding. The problem is that human nature make us reproduce known positions much more than unknown ones, unlike chess engines, that's why computer games are not so often draws and may be really funny to watch !
Hannes Rada (2009-06-03 22:28:52)
Openings very important for corr chess ?
Well about 3 weeks ago I had a discussion with Austrian's only ICCF world champion.
And he told me that in his next world championship final he is going to chance his opening repertoire completely. Instead of 1. e4 which he prefered so far, he is now going to play another move (1.d4 most probably), because after years of studying chess his conclusion is now that 1.e4 is the weakest choice (compared to 1. d4, 1. Nf3, ...)
The same 'ideology' was also published by former ICCF World Champion Hans Berliner in his book "My System".
.
Dead Endgames: This is another interesting topic to be discussed ....
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-04 00:23:27)
On chess openings...
That's an interesting point of view, for sure. My opinion is that this point (e4 vs. d4 and others) quite looks like the openings in the game of Go !
When improving one's play at Go, one change of mind on the complete theory of the game very often... will I play "territory" or will I play "influence", and how... every thing one learn at Go may change one's mind about this because one must manage territory and influence at the same time.
I changed my mind several times about e4 and d4 these last years, in my opinion if a player still change his mind, it may only mean he just improved his play... again :)
Most of us will probably change our mind again & again... fortunately !
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-04 00:45:17)
Consecutive draw offers verbally refused
This may be an issue : Should there be a rule on consecutive draw offers verbally refused in a chess game (which may be considered as impolite in some cases, justified in some others) ?
What do you think ? Do you know how this is ruled in other organizations ?
As for me, I have no strong opinion yet on this subject... Maybe we could only add something in the rules without any consequences on the game, just like a complement to the netiquette that players could refering to, but it may not solve the problem in some rare cases.
Nick Burrows (2009-06-04 00:55:20)
netiqeutte
In my game i have a small advantage in a position that is drawish, but still with some chance to win. The onus is on me to offer a draw. I believe my opponent understands the etiquette but is simply disregarding it - perhaps because he thinks it is a draw.
I'm not sure if having a rule pointing players towards the correct etiquette would ever stop somebody from doing it.
From my perspective i feel frustrated each time a draw is offered, and it just makes me more determined to win!
Normajean Yates (2009-06-04 08:40:10)
another suggestion: draw offer+timeout
another suggestion: suppose *I* make a draw offer and then *opponent* runs out of time; in such a case *my* draw offer is automatically deemed accepted by *opponent*: the result is recorded as a draw.
Or maybe this: giving a disadavtage only to repeated-draw-offerers:
Above rule, but only applied if it is *not* my *first* draw-offer in the game: i.e.:
In a game between player A and player B; if player A make a draw offer and in response player B runs out of time; and further, if there have been two draw offers in the game by player A such that player B has *not* made a draw offer between the said two draw offers by player B; then the draw offer of player A is automatically deemed accepted by player B: the result is recorded as a draw (instead of player B losing on time).
Garvin Gray (2009-06-04 10:25:07)
already covered
The fide laws of chess already have this type of situation covered under:
12.6 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims or
unreasonable offers of a draw.
Garvin Gray (2009-06-04 10:27:27)
hmm
This seems odd and if the server does automatically award the draw in this situation you describe, then it goes against the fide laws of chess.
The player has to agree to the draw for the game to be concluded as such. If the player runs out of time before agreeing to a draw, then they have lost.
It seems pretty cut and dried to me.
Hannes Rada (2009-06-04 21:56:51)
Dead Endgames
Thibault, you are talking about endgames in this connection.
Do you mean for instance the famous rook endgames, which are always a draw according to Tarrasch :-)
And it is true, there are so many rook endings which cannot be won, with extra material. Even with 2 extra pawns ....
I had 2 times a position with K + R + f+h Pawn, against K + R which is a theoretical draw. Sometimes chess can be really unfair. You are playing much better than your opponent, you manage to to achieve material advantage of 1 or 2 pawns, but the rook endgame is still a draw ...
Here is a proposal against the broad draw corridor
http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/reformedchess.htm
http://www.iccf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3618&page=5
Normajean Yates (2009-06-05 03:07:37)
oh then minor technical change...
instead of the game having been drawn automatically, referee *adjudicates* it as a draw.
This ensures that fide rules are not violated, because a game result *can* be changed by adjudication: for example:
Suppose OTB, immediately after a game is over, the winning player is found to have a hidden transciever with a *log* showing that moves *were* transmitted and move-suggestions *were* recieved. And the player breaks down in tears and admits to cheating: pleading for leniency - not in re that particular game, but for a shorter ban-from-tournaments than s/he expects to get. In this case, at the very least the game would be readjudicated as a loss for said player, no?
Also, on ficgs the 50-move rule is not implemented; so a game won here which would otherwise be drawn under the 50-move rule - wouldn't *that* violate fide rules? For corr chess, it is more iecc/iccf than fide - fide will come around :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-05 13:13:41)
"reformed chess", "improved chess"
Speaking of rook endings, of course some -maybe most- are dead or at least understood positions, some are very complex for the human brain... I don't think chess is so unfair even with 2 pawns more, every good player has to know the endgames theory, that's the most important part of the game IMO (at least when learning), such draws only show that one didn't manage to complexify the game enough.
Nice ideas in these links Hannes, and there are many others even without changing the way the pieces move (e.g. time handicap..) but it is harder in correspondence chess. Actually we may regret that chess is chess in this current version. As chess rules are everything but "natural", it could have been different, maybe it should have been. It is too late to change anything now because most people want to play the same game than Fischer and Spassky :) .. History prevails, even very intelligent recent games like Blokus will never be the king of the game.
By the way does anyone know about the drawish problem in Xiangqi and Shogi ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-05 14:02:03)
draw offer+timeout
There's no problem with violating FIDE rules as long as it is the best choice for correspondence chess (ie. 50 moves rule), on this suggestion for these rare cases, the player should accept the draw himself in my opinion to deserve the result but well, if most players think that's a good idea, I may change that.
Normajean Yates (2009-06-05 14:17:11)
no no 50-move rule shouldnt be there..
in correspondence chess - Thib. you were right not to implement the 50-move rule - please don't!
Hey people, don't you want to announce tablebase-mate in 132 with distance-to-conversion 98? If the 50-move rule is implemented, you'll never get that chance!
Benjamin Block (2009-06-05 17:19:42)
Opening not too importent.
1.e4 is still possible and will be it a long time more. The problem is that many players are afraid of new variants and it is why they think the move is draw.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-06-08 09:07:04)
To Sophie Leclerc
Mr Leclerc, didn't you experimented already with this opening and gave you no benefits, even a lost game played in the Rybla forum?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-08 21:19:20)
New feature : Silent mode !
Due to several problems caused by a few players recently (mainly insults in private messages), I just created a "silent mode".
Every player who will not respect the FICGS general rules & netiquette may be placed in this mode for a certain time or permanently, that way the player can play games and enter new tournaments but it is no more possible to send messages to other players (or receive messages with moves) by any way, this is the only way to avoid troubles in tournaments.
I'm very sorry to anyone who received such messages and I'll take care to avoid and prevent this in the future.
My best wishes,
Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-08 22:29:42)
Vacation : now 45 days per year
I think that it will be a good news for most of us !
As it seems that many players have problems with the rapid time control, mainly in championships, and as the championships period has changed (more than 6 months if necessary), I decided to change the days of vacation per year to 45 days instead of 30 days previously.
This should avoid some games to be lost on time and a few players to forfeit all their games because of the time pressure.
This change applies immediately, so everyone now has 15 days of vacation more.
Have a nice time :)
Scott Nichols (2009-06-08 22:31:29)
Long time coming.
This is definitely needed for a very small % of players. Congrats on another fine improvement.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-06-08 22:34:27)
thanks a lot!
thanks a lot!
Sophie Leclerc (2009-06-09 22:56:31)
the opening
actually, I did not, Yugi played that system to me to me with black piece and I let him build a big pawn,, it was too late for me.
This opening is the same thing as his but with one extra tempo..
White can go in a number of way..
I am waiting to see plenty of thingss, will you play a bird or an enlish ?
Thanks thibeault
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-10 02:07:26)
1.f4 ? 2.c4
It seems to me I tried it in some blitz games against a stronger player a long time ago without great success :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-10 02:13:43)
Garvin' suggestion
Hi Wayne, actually I was thinking seriously about Garvin's suggestion in the case of keeping the 30 days per year but consequences were not clear to me indeed, I think that more days is a quite good compromise for everyone (30 days was the only choice due to previous wch cycle duration). It may slow down rapid games but that's probably better than to see a few games lost on time.
Garvin Gray (2009-06-10 09:49:40)
change to rapid time control.
For the rapid games, I think the issue is the 1 move per game increment.
Perhaps having the time control as 20 days plus 3 days per move would be easier for people to manage and it guarantees that a player will have at least three days per move.
Marc Lacrosse (2009-06-10 11:08:12)
Garvin : I do not agree
"For the rapid games, I think the issue is the 1 move per game increment.
Perhaps having the time control as 20 days plus 3 days per move would be easier for people to manage and it guarantees that a player will have at least three days per move."
This is simply turning "rapid" games into standard ones !
If you feel that the one-day increment is too short then do enroll in standard tournaments
For what regards myself I already stated that I prefer a small number of fast games over a larger number of slower ones (this is even the reason why I more than once declined to play in advanced wch tournaments that were supposed to begin simultaneousy with other competitions I am in).
Just my two cents.
Marc
Daniel Parmet (2009-06-10 15:58:21)
vacation cancel
why not allow cancelling vacation period if you say take '4' days or just allow cancelling vacation max of one day early. There is many times where I go out of town for 5 days and it ends up being 4. I rather let my clock run and move on the 5th day then lock myself out for 5days completely. Letting us cancel vacation one day early would nice.
Normajean Yates (2009-06-13 12:40:30)
I can c the grafix 4 feat. member only
Of couse I can see the ratings-grafics for 'featured member' at any given time - is that what was being dicussed in the chats?
[sorry for teenage-texting-type heading: that was to fit in the message ;) ]
Garvin Gray (2009-06-13 13:44:58)
answer
Normajean, Go to:
1) Your preference page
2) Click on the magnifying glass, new window opens
3) Click on Next page: History
4) Page changes to show your rating changes over time, including the new rating graph.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-06-14 22:30:33)
5.0-0 g5 6.g3
What's the matter with
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 4.Bc4 h6 5.O-O g5 6.g3
If g4 then 7.Nh4 f3 8.Nxf3 gxf3 9.Qxf3
Garvin Gray (2009-06-15 07:14:14)
issues??
A couple of issues:
1) Each time I click on the four links provided, I keep getting directed to another page which then asks for my username and password and this cycle keeps repeating. The end result is that I do not get to see anything in the links.
2) Is there a way to see how my team is going against another team ie in board order? Instead of how it is currently displayed with the results of all those on board 1,2 etc.
Robert Gally (2009-06-16 20:22:27)
E-mail notification
Is there some way to set notification e-mails on just the FIRST game an opponent moves in? Often, in tournaments, I get 4 e-mails at a time for moves made within a short period of time...
Robert Gally (2009-06-17 18:17:09)
First!
Thibault, that would be great actually!
Don, All he has to do is check 'last logged in timestamp' if there is a 2nd e-mail after that time, don't send it! Doesn't matter if I read it, just that I have too many in my inbox without having come here to make a move!
Daniel, I have no idea how to configure a filter to accept 1 message of a certain subject, but not any others until the first is deleted... sounds way to complicated for gmail to attempt!
Normajean Yates (2009-06-19 05:42:42)
Lynx? needs cursor keys. Old lynx!
or violawww! graphics and point-and-click browsers are for wimps; you want to others download graphics uuencode them and let people download them using gopher! ...
Normajean Yates (2009-06-22 16:12:42)
looking forward to it...
looking forward to it... but I'll move in that after wimbledon is over! (hopefully it will start after wimbledon, since the waiting list is not yet in place...)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-22 16:41:00)
Discussion at Rybkachess
That's an interesting discussion... Once more, the confusion reigns between Freestyle chess (commonly played at classical & blitz time controls) and Correspondence Chess, particularly for centaur players who did not experience correspondence chess at a 2500+ level.
IMO (in brief) on several points :
1) All these made-for-engines books have no other interest than to "manipulate" chess engines & other made-for-engines books, actually this has almost nothing to do with correspondence chess (where they are completely useless at a high level, let's say 2300+) or even chess.
2) Many players do not realize the multitude of factors that appear to be more important that the basic strength of centaurs once the correspondence chess 2400 mark is reached and that still increases at 2500 and 2600... The higher the level, the more "opening books" depend on the recent games played by the opponent (and his level), the number of current games played, the score to reach in 8 games matches, the importance of rating, the goal in life, even the month/season for a few players and many other things according to the persons... Actually these "openings books" just live the time to use it one time, so a better term is preparation, actually opening books do not exist anymore in correspondence chess at a very high level, at most it may be useful against weaker players.
3) The previous point is enough to explain the rating changes of most 2400+ players ! In example...
- GM Farit Balabaev is a very experienced player who constantly has(had) more than 100 running correspondence chess games at several places for years, he's also a fast player, it is quite logical to me that he looks for quiet games and fast draws (or lose sometimes to very strong players who want to win more)
- Wolfgang Utesch, FICGS WCH finalist, like many players at one time in their life, decided that other things were more important and that correspondence chess was too time consuming, particularly once the 2500 mark has been reached...
- Eros Riccio obviously decided to win every correspondence chess competition at FICGS while playing a high number of games at several places AFTER having topped the FICGS rating list with the highest rating so far (which he did), so it is natural to look for a few quick draws in matches if 8 draws mean a victory for him (and a few rating points lost, that is quite inhuman anyway :))
- Michael Aigner tops most FICGS rating lists by playing only games at 40 days + 40 days / 10 moves time control, which is an enormous performance as obviously the longer the time control, the higher the rate of draws. I do not know how many current games he's playing at ICCF or IECG and other organisations but I suspect he plays a quite reasonable number of games.
- Xavier Pichelin may top the FICGS rating list this year as he's an incredibly dangerous player with White and Black and with a reasonable number of running games.
Many strong players also choose to play some tournaments for "fun" or to experiment openings and may lose some points while their real strength is over 2500 or more... so it is quite hard to make the difference between the real strength and correspondence chess ratings. So many parameters... It is likely that we'll see one day a 12 games match between Eros and Xavier (Michael do not play fast correspondence chess time control, yet I hope), we all wonder what rating could achieve Vasik Rajlich (Rybka's creator) and other very strong freestyle players but it is very hard to predict only by knowing their results in freestyle tournaments. Correspondence chess is a mirror of real life.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-06-23 14:55:27)
GO: Game 32800
In Game 32800 (GO) black, a DAN-player, began with 1.q15 d4 2.q5 d16 3.f3 c6 4.k4
1.q15 and 2.q5 can't be the best.
1.q16 and 2.q4 is risky enough.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-23 17:00:16)
Strange Joseki
GoPosition (see diagram)
(reminder : see Help to know how to post a diagram)
Hi Ulrich, that's why I like Go :) .. It reminds me certain gambits in chess.. theorically inferior (actually I'm not even sure here) but if you don't know the lines, you're done !
Don Groves played this joseki against me a few weeks ago (games 30935 & 30934) for the first time, obviously it is very interesting against a player who did not experience it before... If White plays q3 or q17 after that (which I did), he may have no space enough quickly and Black may build big shapes. Well, I'm not strong enough to bring an interesting comment on this joseki anyway, maybe Mikhail can share some ideas on this :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-06-23 17:19:19)
FIDE chess world championship
These rules may give many chess lovers a headache IMHO. FIDE will probably have difficulties to save the chess world championship (also speaking of sponsors) yet.
Alejandro Suarez-Moreno (2009-06-24 00:43:28)
Strange joseki do it by a good player
Hi Ulrich and Thibault,
this joseki present a good problem. Black stones are ready to form a big shape on the right side and white have to decide "a fast fight for these corners or a strategical fight for zones of influence". I played many games with Don Groves and his style is strong. Maybe he is not dan player, but you'll have to fight very hard for the victory against him!
On the diagram I prefer 4...o16, or 4...r10. The invasion to back corner still remain possible and black attention have to put here during many plays.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-06-24 01:01:32)
Yes
Yes, 4...o16, or 4...r10
I thaught like Thibault did, q3 or q17, to fight in blacks backside
Don Groves (2009-06-24 04:13:16)
Strange joseki
Hola Alejandro and thanks for the compliment! I hope I can live up to it in these games ;-)
My feeling about opening on the 5,4 point is that (1) if the opponent invades the corner, I can keep her/him to a small territory there and gain a lot to the outside, and (2) if s/he does not invade the corner, then I could achieve a fairly large corner.
I would greatly appreciate hearing comments from Dan players about this strategy.
Alejandro Suarez-Moreno (2009-06-24 23:18:06)
Strange Joseki
Hi Don, I accept your invitation to discuss the strategy over your joseki.
I don't like to invade suddenly the black corner. If we play q3 then you have to play very exactly. White stones are in dangerous and black can use it to gain influence toward the center and, in the same time, try to kill the white dragon. I remember the comentary of Thibault: "may have no space enough quickly" and I believe him!
But r10 try to avoid this situation and white can make a basis to attack the black shape on top board or fight in the center.
Maybe Ulrich and Thibault can tell us the strategy of play q3.
Ranganathan Raman (2009-06-25 01:29:27)
play more leran
The Interactive Way To Go' (http://playgo.to/interactive/)?
but real time play bit hard work to win new players
Daniel Parmet (2009-06-25 22:51:01)
can always have more!
always time for another one after all there has been many KG ones!
Wayne Lowrance (2009-06-28 19:19:34)
combinjing
Yes lets combine. Waiting time is far to long.
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2009-06-30 05:38:35)
WCH6
Thank you so very much Thibault, sorry for my impatience, my bad, as usual
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-07-01 16:20:17)
FIDE rating list, july 1st 2009
The new FIDE rating list is out, Veselin Topalov (2813) still tops it 25 points ahead of FIDE world champion Viswanathan Anand (2788), in third place Magnus Carlsen (2772)...
All players rated over 2700 :
1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2813
2 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2788
3 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2772
4 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2768
5 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2760
6 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2759
7 Leko, Peter g HUN 2756
8 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2756
9 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2755
10 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2751
11 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2740
12 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2739
13 Wang, Yue g CHN 2736
14 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2733
15 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2732
16 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2727
17 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2721
18 Kamsky, Gata g USA 2717
19 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2717
20 Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2717
21 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2716
22 Movsesian, Sergei g SVK 2716
23 Dominguez Perez, Leinier g CUB 2716
24 Alekseev, Evgeny g RUS 2714
25 Akopian, Vladimir g ARM 2712
26 Nakamura, Hikaru g USA 2710
27 Motylev, Alexander g RUS 2710
28 Malakhov, Vladimir g RUS 2707
29 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime g FRA 2703
30 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2703
31 Rublevsky, Sergei g RUS 2703
32 Bu, Xiangzhi g CHN 2702
33 Ni, Hua g CHN 2701
Normajean Yates (2009-07-03 01:38:27)
The Scheming Mind
I provided a quote from Arthur Conan Doyle where Sherlock Holms says that excellence at chess is a mark of a scheming mind.
Voila, there is a correspondence site called 'the scheming mind', and its motto is precisely that quote!
http://www.schemingmind.com/ . This offers some variants also; it is the only site I have seen which offers the 7th century persian chess 'shatranj' at correspondence time controls.. [engines won't help in that one!]
Mladen Jankovic (2009-07-03 17:38:32)
Shatranj
I played it once, and got beaten by following the instincts from regular chess.
Strange and slow game. It's much more a simulator of a battlefield than a game.
Nick Burrows (2009-07-04 07:55:18)
Minimum rating idea
A common problem encountered in correspondance chess is that of strong players forefitting several games and their rating dropping by hundreds of points
This spoils the tourny for lower rated players who often have a 2200 rated player in their group with a misleading rating of 1600.
It also de-stabilises the ratings across the whole site as many players grades are false.
Lastly, and of least concern because players who made the drop deserve some handicap - the artificially low-graded player has a whole year of uncompetitive matches as he waits to regain points.
In o.t.b tournaments in England, a method employed to stop rating cheats is that a player who has won a certain class of tournament previously, cannot re-enter at that level.
The equivalent here would be that your rating has a minimum value, equal to the highest rating requirement of a tournament class you have previously won.
This seems to solve the problems experienced by many on this site.
It may be said that the rating drop is a necessary deterrent to prevent players from doing this. My experience is that it occurs from factors out of one's control (illness) and any deterrant is irrelevant - just as a death penalty doesn't stop heroin addicts from stealing!
What d'yall think?
Scott Nichols (2009-07-05 15:49:11)
Good idea!
I brought this up one other time Nick. Thib wanted more discussion on it. Maybe a players rating could be "provisional" until he has played 20 games and then it could become "established" rating. I think a player should never drop more than one class below his/her highest established rating. If the classes are 1600-1799, 1800-1999 etc. Then a player who reached for example 1983 could never drop below 1600. Or, if a player reached 2001, he/she could never drop below 1800.
Nick Burrows (2009-07-05 16:12:04)
rating drop
I suppose that is the best way to do it. Even a drop from 1993 > 1600 seems a little too big to me. I think this one whole class drop should be the absolute maximum drop allowed.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-07-05 23:14:20)
Interesting idea
"In o.t.b tournaments in England, a method employed to stop rating cheats is that a player who has won a certain class of tournament previously, cannot re-enter at that level."
I quite like the idea in this way. Maybe it can be improved even without complicating the rules too much. Anyway if someone wants to make trouble in some tournaments (it did happen), there's no perfect way to prevent him and it is better in class B or A (2000+) than in class 2400+ IMO.
Normajean Yates (2009-07-05 23:39:17)
to: Mladen Jankovic : shatranj was...
shatranj *was* the regular chess once (long ago) ;) I wonder if Al-Adli, Firdawsi et al would be befuddled by today's regular chess (just assume they were resurrected today, for the sake of argument)? Or would they pick it up and become superGMs in a year's time? ;)
Simon Johnson (2009-07-06 17:02:44)
question
i'm new here, and i was wondering... are we able to play anything without it being a tournament?
William Taylor (2009-07-08 00:04:04)
Shatranj
Shatranj is offered at live time controls on ICC (www.chessclub.com) and I've played quite a few games of it there.
The match vs igame.ru was fun so a match vs Scheming Mind could be too.
Daniel Parmet (2009-07-08 05:02:57)
mine!
My blog: http://chaoschess.blogspot.com/
I actually run a blog where i've plugged ficgs several times:) However, I doubt the material is going to be of much interest to corr players but check it out anyways!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-07-08 15:05:34)
Kasparov meets Obama
This is quite a surprise to me already, Barrack Obama met former chess world champion Garry Kasparov and other opposition leaders in Russia !
Nobody knows exactly what has been said during this meeting but the site Theotherrussia.org provided a full transcript of United Civil Front Chairman Garry Kasparov’s statement to president Barack Obama and an interesting interview of Garry Kasparov... The name of the forgotten Khodorkovsky appears several times.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5562
A good summary could be : "Obama seems like a man who doesn’t try to solve problems that don’t have solutions. He saves his energy and political capital on realistic goals. If there’s a big obstacle he simply takes it off the table and deals with what can be done." (Garry Kasparov)
Normajean Yates (2009-07-09 04:25:46)
icc offers live shatranj, that's why...
that's why I said 'theschemind mind' is the only site i knew that offers correspondence-time-control shatranj...
(should have made it explicit - anyway William Taylor has now...)
Mladen Jankovic (2009-07-10 17:37:51)
@Normajean
Yes, I know it was the regular chess a long time ago.
Dinesh De Silva (2009-07-21 07:00:52)
Re:
It's been widely rumoured that when the big "K" met the big "O", big "K" asked for some of the stimulus money that big "O" was dishing out at record speed. Unfortunately, that question proved to be end of their friendship. lol!
William Taylor (2009-07-23 17:57:12)
Draw offers
Would it be possible to record draw offers in the notation of the game? (Maybe with an = sign or the words 'Draw offered') Sometimes I forget whether I have offered a draw a move or two earlier, and it can be annoying for your opponent if you keep offering a draw on each move.
Klearchos Loukopoulos (2009-07-24 18:01:32)
vacations question
Hi all,
I just took a vacation but when I see my games I can still see the clock ticking and removing time available. Is that normal?
Cheers,
Klearchos
Thibault de Vassal (2009-07-24 19:53:29)
time per move
Hi Klearchos,
This is normal as the max. time per move is always 60 days even if you take days of vacation (to avoid too long delays for a single move), but your total time for the game is frozen.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-07-24 21:41:58)
p4 !?
My move 12 would have been p4
My move 13 also would have been p4
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-07-24 22:26:05)
q3 against a large corner and the side
4. ...q3 or 4....q17, to fight in blacks backside, were only instinctive reactions of mine.
4. ...o16 or 4. ...r10 are very logical too.
If White don't invade the corner with q3, Black will achieve a large corner and that side.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-07-27 15:48:45)
Game won on time
Hello Caetano,
Yes, there was a small problem (a bad update) with the robot during the last two or three days and I was not able to connect to internet during this time. It is fixed now.
Thanks :)
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-07-27 23:16:09)
p4 at move 13 looks easier
My p4 at move 12 tries to divide the black stones.
n5 at move 12 is more space orientated.
But why p5 at move 13?
p4 at move 13 looks easier.
Caetano Langaro (2009-07-27 06:44:26)
Game won on time
Hello!
Is there a problem with the robot that adjucates games? I have a game (32446) that should have been adjudicated but waited for days and nothing happened.
Well... tks for attention!
See ya!
Scott Nichols (2009-07-29 14:26:23)
Excellent
Another nice new feature, thank you Thibault for always working and improving this site!
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-07-30 00:41:46)
opening score statistics
Do opening score statistics exist in Go?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-01 22:28:54)
Maxime Vachier-Lagrave wins Biel 2009
Finally, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave emerged from the 2600 GM field to convincingly win the top tournament of Biel, a category 19 double round robin tournament, ahead of super GMs like Vassily Ivanchuk, Alexander Morozevich or Boris Gelfand. At eighteen and with a FIDE rating of 2703 he may be the next french good surprise in the top class players and bring some fresh blood in such tournaments. Does anyone have an opinion on his style of play or something ? :)
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-08-02 21:10:26)
Vachier-Lagrave
Karpov said he knew he was a tactical player some moves he (Vachier-Lagrave) made against him (Karpov) in San Sebastian this year surprised him.
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-08-03 10:47:35)
5-3 enclosure
I found 5-3 enclosures.
http://senseis.xmp.net/?SmallLowEnclosure
Ulrich Imbeck (2009-08-03 11:05:44)
3454 enclosure
Now I saw 3454 enclosure
http://senseis.xmp.net/?SmallHighEnclosure
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-04 17:29:51)
Quote festival, part 6
Maybe this is time to start a new quote fest, what do you think ? :)
As a reminder, you're encouraged to post your own quotes about anything, but do not forget that you may enter the FICGS quotes file then ;)
"Always remember: He will blunder for sure, but he may play like a genius as well."
Nick Burrows (2009-08-05 13:13:03)
quotes
"Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water.
Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend."
- Bruce Lee
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."-Mark Twain
No one should allow his mind to be a vehicle for others to use;
He who does not direct his own mind lacks mastery.
Ono who is looking for a reward is smaller than the reward;
One who has renounced a thing has risen above it.
So long as one has a longing to obtain any particular object, one cannot go further than that object.
- Hazrat Inayat Khan
Be who you are, and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
-Dr. Seuss
Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
- Frank Outlaw
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-05 17:16:53)
Bruce Lee quotes
I did not know the quotes by Bruce Lee, so I looked for more :) Among the best I found :
"Life is wide, limitless. There is no border, no frontier."
"The meaning of life is that it is to be lived, and it is not to be traded and conceptualized and squeezed into a pattern of systems."
"Knowledge will give you power, but character respect."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-08-05 18:13:29)
Another game
William Taylor (2009-08-06 15:08:12)
Impressive
That is a spectacular game, Nick.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-08 11:26:55)
MoGo vs. Many Faces Of Go
Just read in the AGA newsletter (American Go E-Journal vol. 10) on the rematch between Myeong-Wan Kim 8p vs. Computer :
"Many Faces was very different, it behaved more like a human, while MoGo was pure computer and very unpredictable. It was easier to play Many Faces -- though it may be the stronger program -- because I could predict what it was going to do. Many Faces made better shape, but MoGo had better reading. I’d really like to see both programs play each other and see what happens."
I never played MoGo, but it may be instructive...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-10 12:46:38)
Poker engine
I'm not sure if there can be exactly a "poker engine" like Fritz is a chess engine, able to play any situation... I know that there is poker engines for certain poker rooms but in order to play here you may only find sites that offer to calculate the odds for each hand, but it won't take in account the coins & points you have, which are very important also, so I'm afraid it does not exist :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-10 13:01:25)
Simultaneous Chess World Record
After the records by Ulf Anderson, Andrew Martin and Susan Polgar, the current Simultaneous Chess World Record has been established this year by Kiril Georgiev, who played 360 opponents at the same time, now Iranian GM Morteza Mahjoob wants to play 500 opponents to bring it at a new level.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5659
Is this kind of record worth something according to you or just a nonsense?
William Taylor (2009-08-10 16:14:14)
Fun
Just a bit of fun really. It will certainly be a good achievement if he manages it, but of course it won't mean he's 'the best' at playing lots of people simultaneously. There are too many factors to try to determine that objectively (number of opponents, rating of opponents, result etc.), and of course the very best chess players spend their time on more serious chess pursuits. :)
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-08-10 19:31:04)
To Mr William Taylor
[quote]and of course the very best chess players spend their time on more serious chess pursuits. :)[/quote]
Excuse me but almost all the top players in the world give simultaneous.
the purpose of the simul is to break to record this does not equate you are the best, but indeed is a huge accomplishment playing so many opponents at the same time the physical fitness needed for this is the same as a top athlete.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-11 12:03:37)
A. Dinerchtein is European Go Champion
Alexander Dinerchtein 3p (silent player at FICGS) is new European Go Champion after beating Javier Aleksi Savolainen in the final round of the European Go Championship while Taranu Catalin lost his final game to Kim Joon Sang and did not succeed in defending his title.
Congrats ! :)
I hope I can post some games here soon...
Daniel Parmet (2009-08-11 20:08:24)
Quotes!
The following 11 quotes are all by me:
1- "Experiences are the keys to life."
2- "Happy endings are just stories that haven't finished yet."
3- "If you expect nothing then the following will happen: either 1) you will receive nothing and thus can be happy your expectations were met or 2) You will receive something and thus be happy you have received something. And.... Happiness ensues..."
4- "Step up and face your fear or you will never be what you should be."
5- "A mistake is only a mistake if you let it happen twice. Otherwise it is a learning experience. your experience."
6- "Life is painting a picture over many years with different paints and tools."
7- ""Horney concluded that love was at least a temporary escape from all her anxiety and insecurity" - Karen Horney
Does anyone else think that someoe named 'Horney' shouldn't be talking about love?"
8- "Take each event in a singularity and say if time passes will any of this matter?"
9- "Plans are ideas that never come to fruition."
10- "You should only get upset about the little things cause you have no control over the big things."
11- "Causing another problem without fixing the initial problem just makes the initial problem worse as time continues"
The following are classic quotes:
11- "If you lose the game you should win the analysis!"
12- "Every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around." - Vanilla Sky
13- "Life is pain my dear and anyone who says otherwise is selling something." - Princess Bride
14- "The 7ps: Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance" - U.S. Military
15- "Water water everywhere but not a drop to drink!" - Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner
16- "You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea cause you forget the good idea has limits" - Warren Buffet
17- "Teach a child to be polite and courteous and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to merge his car onto the freeway."
18- "Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone."
19- "There is no tomorrow without the pains and pleasures of today" - Gabriel
20- "If life weren't this complicated, it would be nowhere near as fun. Why? WHY NOT!" - Catch-22
21- "When you've done things right people won't know you've done anything at all." - Futurama
22- "The right perception of any matter and a misunderstanding of the same matter do not wholly exclude each other." - Kafka's the trial
23- "the Trausi follow the normal practices of Thracians in general, except in one particular- their behaviour, namely, on the occasion of a birth or a death. When a baby is born the family sits round and mourns at the thought of the sufferings the infant must endure now that it has entered the world, and goes through the whole catalogue of human sorrows; but when somebody dies, they bury him with merriment and rejoicing, and point out how happy he now is and how many miseries he has at last escaped." -Herodotus Viv
24- "When a Persian herald demanded the surrender of arms, the king shouted back 'come here to get them'; and when he had seen that he was surrounded, he commanded his men to have a good breakfast since their dinner would be served in hell." - Herodotus
25- "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it"
26- "Why, we don't even know what living means now, what it is, and what it is called? Leave us alone without books and we shall be lost and in confusion at once. We shall not know what to join on to, what to cling to, what to love and what to hate, what to respect and what to despise." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky Notes from the Underground
27- "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." - Scott Adams
28- "Nobody is always a winner and anyone who says otherwise either is a liar or doesn't play poker."
29- “The darkness immutable tranquility holds sway.” - Jun’ichiro Tanizaki
30- “People who are constantly asking 'why' are like tourists who stand in front of a building reading Baedeker and are so busy reading the history of its construction, etc., that they are prevented from seeing the building.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
31- “Either move or be moved.” - Ezra Pound
32- "The real meditation is the meditation of one's identity..... You try finding out why you're you and not somebody else. And who in the blazes are you anyhow??" - Ezra Pound.
33- “The image is more than an idea. It is a vortex or cluster of fused ideas and is endowed with energy.” - Ezra Pound
34- “The thought working its way towards the light.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
35- “There are always two people in every picture: the photographer and the viewer.” - Ansel Adams
36- “When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be content with silence.” - Ansel Adams
37- "Wanting to think is one thing; having a talent for thinking is another." - Ludwig Wittgenstein
38- “Philosophers use a language that is already deformed as though by shoes that are too tight” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
39- “Nothing is more important for teaching us to understand the concepts we have than constructing fictitious ones” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
40- “don’t for heaven’s sake, be afraid of talking nonsense! But you must pay attention to your nonsense” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
41- “In a conversation: One person throws a ball; the other does not know: whether he is supposed to throw it back, or throw it to a third person, or leave it on the ground, or pick it up and put it in his pocket, etc” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
42- “I really do think with my pen, because my head often knows nothing about what my hand is writing” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
43- “What I am writing here may be feeble stuff; well, then I am just not capable of bringing the big, important thing to light. But hidden in these feeble remarks are great prospects.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
44- “I ask countless irrelevant questions. If only I can succeed in hacking my way through this forest!” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
45- “Even to have expressed a false thought boldly and clearly is already to have gained a great deal” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
46- “Don’t concern yourself with what, presumably no one but you grasps!” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
47- “when you are philosophizing you have to descend into primeval chaos and feel at home there” - Ludwig Wittgenstein
48- "You cannot step into the same river twice." - Heraclitus
49- "Eternity is a child playing, playing checkers; the kingdom belongs to a child." - Heraclitus
50- "Nothing endures but change." - Heraclitus
51- "For a guest remembers all his days the hospitable man who showed him kindness." - Odyssey Book 15 Line 75
52- "Watching [GM Nigel] Short peruse the photos of young women, I had a fanciful notion that the development of specialized skills and character traits in early childhood is like a country fair in which you are alotted a fixed number of tickets to spend on the various concessions. This particular fixed number of tickets to spend on the various concessions. This particular fair is of short duration and happens only once in a lifetime. Nigel took the chess roller-coaster a dozen times, and rode the honesty ride twice, and so he had insufficient tickets left to take the Train Beyond Adolescence more than a stop or two. I myself missed the athletic concession, and I should have ridden -damn it- the chess coaster three or four times." - King's Gambit: A Son, A Father, and the World's Most Dangerous Game by Paul Hoffman page335
53- “I don’t know, but I do know with great precision why nobody else knows either.” - John H. Cochrane
54- "One must have chaos within oneself, to give birth to a dancing star." - Friedrich Nietsche
55- "I created chaos on the chess board and my strength lay in finding hidden harmonies. I always cultivated being at peace in chaos. manifest your unique character on the chess board." - Josh Waitzkin
56- "Leave numbers behind and ride the wave of the game." - Josh Waitzkin
57- "The weakness of an artist is dogma." - Josh Waitzkin
58- "Everything i've learned, i've eventually unlearned. I spend more time unlearning than learning. You must challenge your own micro thought constructs." - Josh Waitzkin
59- "It is like a tunnel, the deeper you get into the more you see there is to learn." - Josh Waitzkin
60- "Your emotions are there for a reason. Observe their ripple." - Josh Waitzkin
61- "The same mold, teachers have learned a certain way. great teachers should listen first." - Josh Waitzkin
62- "Change from psychology and technical errors, transition from opening prep to first middlegame decision or tactical to strategical." - Josh Waitzkin
63- "There is some part about any discipline that should appeal to any person." - Josh Waitzkin
64- "Identify thematic connections by breaking down the walls between different disciplines." - Josh Waitzkin
65- "You know your country is dying when you have to make a distinction between what is moral and ethical, and what is legal." - John de Armond
66- "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
67- "When you stop learning you start dying." - Scott Adams
68- "If you could buy some people for what they are worth, and sell them for what they "think" they are worth, there would always be a profit margin."
69- "Don't compare your life to others. You have no idea what their journey is all about."
70- "Life is too short to waste time hating anyone."
71- "When in doubt, just take the next small step."
72- "When it comes to going after what you love in life, don't take no for an answer."
73- "Frame every so-called disaster with these words 'In five years, will this matter?" - Ellis
74- "If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back."
75- "Envy is a waste of time. You already have all you need."
76- "There are three sides to every story: your side, their side and the truth." - Bablyon 5
77- "Better than a thousand days of diligent study is one day with a great teacher." - Japanese Proverb
My apologies if some of the classics are in the ficgs quote file already as I just keep my own (and pull quotes from everywhere). I tried to cull out the duplicates.
William Taylor (2009-08-12 19:25:31)
To Mr Tano-Urayoán Russi Román
True, the top players do give simuls on occasion. I meant that I'm not aware of any really top players trying mega-simuls like this, trying to break the record (Martin, Polgar, Georgiev etc. are strong players of course, but not top ones). I certainly agree with you that it's a huge accomplishment to complete a simul like this, but I'd dispute that 'the physical fitness needed for this is the same as a top athlete'.
Scott Nichols (2009-08-13 13:09:47)
Rapid expansion?
Hi Thib, I was wondering what you think about expanding the parameters for rapid tournament from 200 points to 400 points to make it the same as standard tournaments? This would allow for many more rapid tournaments IMHO.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-13 15:08:15)
Rapid expansion
Hi Scott, I'm not sure... Rapid tournaments take so much time that too many tournaments may mean more general forfeits also. So it's a way to limit rapid tournaments entries and favourize long time control tournaments.
Iouri Basiliev (2009-08-16 10:55:25)
first results on the table 1
Michael made 2 draws with me and Vadim.
Daniel Parmet (2009-08-17 19:06:37)
He did it!
http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/mahjoob-breaks-guinness-record-with-500-board-simul/comment-page-1/#comment-98272
apparently according to the comments he has to score a high % for it count and he did score an amazing 88%! That seems ridiculous given a simul with so many people all the participants will have sufficient time to think.
Ralf Mulde (2009-08-18 00:24:11)
DESC corr. chess Open 2009 invitation
Dear chessfriends,
German e-mail Correspondence Chessclub (DESC) invites everyone to
join the DESC Open. Join with uns and have fun playing chess!
Everyone in the world who can play chess (and has the possibility to
use an e-mail-system) is invited herewith to take part at this tournament.
It's a cost-free tournament, no one has to pay any fees.
Please register per e-mail at [ turnierbuero@desc-online.de ] until
Sept. 19th 2009.
Your registration has to include
a) your family name
b) your first-name
c) your e-mail-address
d) and the remark < Anmeldung zum DESC-Open 2009 >.
The tournament will start at Oct. 1st 2009.
Reflection-time will be 30 days per 10 moves,
first time-exceed forfeits the game.
Moves will be transmitted by e-mail in the well known pgn-format.
During this pre-tounament, every player will have four to eight
games in groups with five to nine players.
The best three of them will reach the next round.
More informations are shown at DESC's homepage:
http://www.desc-online.de/turniere/open/2009/
Take part, have fun! You and your friends will be welcome!
Best regards, IM Joerg Kracht, Michael Schirmer, and Ralf Mulde
Benjamin Block (2009-08-19 17:52:40)
Already have to many e-mails.
Prefer to play server chess. I get 100 of e-mails every day and to check everyone takes time.
Charlie Neil (2009-08-22 11:23:40)
Vacation Time on Ficgs
I am confused about what is the point of booking vacation time, as the "game clock" will keep running. Can someone explain to me please.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-22 15:08:37)
Vacation Time & 60 days limit per move
Hi Charlie, it is explained when you take some days of vacation :
Rules 11.4 : "Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time."
Note : The time per move clock is still running during vacation.
Anyway, it's not really convenient to remember so I'll add it in the Help section.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-22 15:16:12)
Unrated (no computer) matches
Hi Daniel, this has to be discussed. This would be on another path than the "competitive" way the server followed until there, particularly to avoid the "just for a glance" games that are just thrown and lost on time after a few moves like on most other correspondence chess servers... But after all maybe most players here wouldn't do it because they also play rated tournaments.
The other point is "confusion" because of too many tournaments... Many new players are still lost when arriving here and I feel I have some work to make it clearer before to add such new categories... To be continued.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-22 22:30:34)
Slow moves & chat bar at Poker
Hello everyone,
You may have noticed that the chat bar disappeared during your poker "moves"... In my opinion poker moves are usually played so fast that it is useless to display it but it may be a problem for players who write long messages with their moves and can be disconnected (the small message box keeps players connected as it refreshes automatically). Is it a problem for many players ?
The other question is : Should the "slow moves" process be kept for poker moves as it is (IMHO) not necessary to confirm such moves in most cases ?
Your feedback is welcome, thanks :)
Garvin Gray (2009-08-26 17:07:38)
do better next time :)
wow, it really is a tough place round here. You even lose points for winning a game.
Michel, I think what Thibault is telling from your rating 'dip' is that the server was not impressed by your win and expects a lot better from you next time lol :P
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-26 19:21:42)
Stan Vaughan vs. Varuzhan Akobian (WCF)
Many of you probably saw this strange banner in a Chessbase news article, with this title :
"THE WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP"
World Chess Federation, Inc.
WCF "WORLD CHESS CHAMPION" Stan Vaughan
vs. WCF official challenger Varuzhan Akobian in WCF TITLE MATCH 2009 (starting on December 1st, 2009 at Riviera Hotel Casino, Las Vegas)
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5717
The Chessbase article says that when FIDE stripped Fischer of the title in 1975, he set up the WCF which sanctioned his "World Championship" rematch with Spassky in 1992 (with a record of five million dollars prize). After winning the event, Fischer was scheduled to play WCF official challenger Stan Vaughan, but he retired.
Well well... I cannot even find a page on Wikipedia on Stan Vaughan, but the article on Chessbase also mentions that Vaughan would have been 29 time US Champion of the American Chess Association, retaining the title at 2008 Robert Fischer Memorial and also, but not least :
* 1988 US Correspondence Chess Champion
* 1989, 1995 Mensa World Correspondence Chess Champion
* 1995-2007 WCCF World Correspondence Chess Champion
* WCF “The World Chess Champion 2001-present 2009
* Retained the title in 2007 with an 11-0 title match victory over Francisco Metz, an International Master from Mexico and former 1975 USCF's US Amateur Chess Champion
To finish, Garry Kasparov would have turned down the opportunity to play him in a match for 5 million dollars in 2008 - not a big surprise.
Does anyone have more information on all this and eventually games played by this un-unknown correspondence chess champion ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-26 19:24:09)
do better next time :)
lol Garvin ! no he was probably right (because of the small advantage given to black), I corrected the advanced chess rating rules already.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-28 01:06:17)
S.C. von Erichsen is FICGS Go champion !
Svante Carl von Erichsen is FICGS Go champion, for the 3rd time... after winning 2 more games in the 5 games final match which looked like in some ways to the previous one with Ke Lu.
Congrats again Svante Carl ! Definitely we need more strong players to try to rivalize :)
Here is the 4th game that just finished :
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FF[1]
GM[1]
SZ[19]
AP[Ficgs]
RU[Chinese]
GN[von Erichsen,Svante Carl-Lu,Ke]
HA[0]
KM[7.5]
WR[2653]
PW[von Erichsen,Svante Carl]
BR[2483]
PB[Lu,Ke]
DT[February 28 3:6:11 CET 2009]
RE[W+T]
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B[pd]
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W[dc]
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B[pp]
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W[eq]
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B[pj]
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W[nq]
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B[lq]
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W[no]
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B[pn]
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W[kp]
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B[lp]
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W[lo]
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B[kq]
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B[jq]
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W[ip]
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B[hq]
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B[gq]
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B[fq]
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B[er]
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B[dq]
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B[cj]
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B[co]
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B[cm]
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B[pf]
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B[gc]
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W[ic]
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B[id]
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B[ib]
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W[kc]
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B[hc]
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W[de]
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B[lc]
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B[oh]
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B[pe]
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W[pg]
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B[og]
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W[of]
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B[pi]
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W[qf]
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B[rh]
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W[qd]
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B[pc]
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W[qc]
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B[qg]
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W[pb]
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B[ob]
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W[qb]
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B[nb]
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W[nh]
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B[qh]
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W[pl]
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B[om]
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W[qo]
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B[po]
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B[qn]
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B[oq]
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Svante Carl von Erichsen (2009-08-28 09:44:30)
Thanks
Thank you very much.
I must admit, though, that I am a bit disappointed that all these games were decided by the clock. Game 1, I am definitely behind, Game 2, I think that I have a winning position, Game 3 is very close and would have been decided by endgame (there are some very large points open), Game 4, I am back in the game after installing a group in his moyo, but I believe he is still slightly ahead, Game 5, I think that he has to defend the group at the bottom now, so I can reduce the left side, then switch to the top right corner; I am still relatively thin at the top (compared to the rest of the board), so I think the game would have had to be decided in a fight there.
So, all in all, I think that these were really interesting games, and it is a pity that they were finished too early. Lu Ke is a very strong player, and I am really lucky to have a positive score against him. I just hope that my next opponent pays a bit more attention to the clock.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-08-28 13:37:50)
Zeitnot & Go Wch #4
The clock is an important part of the game, even at this correspondence time control. Thanks for your comments, obviously the match was much more intense than the score let it appear. Congrats to Ke Lu for giving you such difficulties :) .. One more reason to read these games with attention.
By the way, the 4th Go Wch preliminary tournament seems to be discussed between the very dangerous & surprising Huayong Yang (with 6/6 until now), Simon Billouet and Thomas Connor !
Garvin Gray (2009-08-29 16:05:33)
Issue for 2150 rated players
I am starting to notice an issue with how the rating bands are set for tournaments, both standard and rapid.
Currently I am rated between 2150 and 2200, depending on the rating period. After having been in this rating band for a couple of rating periods, I am noticing it is very difficult to get rated games against players rated above 2200.
This makes it very difficult to improve my rating, or at least have it proven that my playing standard is not deserved of a higher rating, or a lower rating as the case maybe.
I know it is possible to look at my results from players rated similar to myself and try and work out conclusions from there, but to not have the opportunity to play people rated above myself does not afford me the opportunity to see how I go against them, or to record results against higher rated players that might suggest I am underrated.
I suggested awhile ago that each of the tournament bands need to be 200 points apart, with the standard and rapid tournaments operated on odds and evens 200 point rating bands. I still believe this to be the answer to a lot of the sites ills as I still see many tournaments where players just under the rating cut off not entering when the rating band is 400 points.
Scott Nichols (2009-08-30 02:23:09)
Same question
This is exactly the same question I asked in "Rapid Expansion?" Players who prefer the faster time controls are very limited in the choices they have. Count my vote on a 400 point band for rapid tours as a YES.
Garvin Gray (2009-08-30 16:23:48)
200 point bands in both!
nooooo, i am suggesting the complete opposite. That in both standard time control and rapid that the bands be 200 points.
It is only that in the standard time control that the bands be 1700-1899, 1900-2099, 2100-2299, 2300-2499 etc and for rapid it would be 1800-1999, 2000-2199, 2200-2399, 2400-2599.
This would mean for a person with a rating of 1950 would be at the top of the ratings for one of the bands and at the bottom of the bands for the other.
Don Groves (2009-08-31 00:58:08)
My .02 Euros
As I understand it, the current limit for a game to affect ratings is 350 ELO points. If so, then why would any player near the top of a 400 rating band enter a tournament unless at least one other player near his/her rating has already entered? Otherwise, that player stands to gain little or nothing from winning.
It seems logical to me that the rating band be smaller than the rating limit to insure that all the games will be rated.
Michael Sharland (2009-09-01 03:41:29)
I agree with the Garvin's suggestion
If you look at the waiting list for any of the standard tournaments, you will typically see only players rated in the bottom 100 points of the band. This means that certain ranges are missing profitable opportunities to play and move up their ratings.
By narrowing the standard tournament bands and offsetting them with the rapid tournament bands, you will likely see an increase in signups as more players will find tournaments that align with their desire for the ability to make rating progress.
I am also in this 2100-2199 rating range and feel that there is no tournament that I can sign up for that would help my rating improve. So I find myself waiting for a WCH tournament to move me up or down rather than playing a new tournament as I would like to.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-02 02:06:53)
Response
The rationale for the 400 points bands in class tournaments and 200 bands in rapid tournaments is to reduce the number of opportunities to play rapid tournaments (that are much more time consuming and may lead to general forfeits)... I still do not understand why 400 points bands are a problem as most players play the tournaments that may help to increase their rating (as Michael said, by the way the Rapid M seems quite dedicated for 2100-2199 rated players, actually a future improvement may be 100 points bands).
Anyway, I see no strong reason not to try this change... let's do it unless someone sees this strong reason.
Daniel Parmet (2009-09-02 04:57:02)
well...
well shouldn't it be called X/M not A... A implies A players can join.
Garvin Gray (2009-09-02 07:33:40)
to be clear
Apologies if my post irks anyone, but just to be clear, the standard and rapid rating cutoffs have to at the opposite 100 point bands.
So as I said previously,
It is only that in the standard time control that the bands be 1700-1899, 1900-2099, 2100-2299, 2300-2499 etc and for rapid it would be 1800-1999, 2000-2199, 2200-2399, 2400-2599.
Of course this idea also works if Thibault decides to have the standard tournaments using an even rating cutoff ie 1800-1999, 2000-2199 etc.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-02 16:20:51)
class A / rapid A
There's no A players, only class A & rapid A tournaments. Indeed those 1900 players were over 2000 when they signed up, that's fair IMO and I see no other good way to deal with it.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-02 18:00:40)
FIDE chess rating list, september 2009
As Veselin Topalov (former FIDE world champion) & Viswanathan Anand (current FIDE world champion) did not play any game since the july rating list has been published, they remain number 1 & number 2 in the top rankings, but their followers played quite many games : Levon Aronian is now number 3 with 2773 points while Vladimir Kramnik & Magnus Carlsen are number 4 and 5 with 2772 elo points.
Here are the 2700+ players :
1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2813
2 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2788
3 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2773
4 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2772
5 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2772
6 Leko, Peter g HUN 2762
7 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2757
8 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2756
9 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2756
10 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2750
11 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2742
12 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2741
13 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2741
14 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2740
15 Wang, Yue g CHN 2736
16 Nakamura, Hikaru g USA 2735
17 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2733
18 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2730
19 Alekseev, Evgeny g RUS 2725
20 Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2722
21 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2721
22 Dominguez Perez, Leinier g CUB 2719
23 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime g FRA 2718
24 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2717
25 Malakhov, Vladimir g RUS 2715
26 Movsesian, Sergei g SVK 2711
27 Motylev, Alexander g RUS 2710
28 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2709
29 Short, Nigel D g ENG 2706
30 Rublevsky, Sergei g RUS 2703
31 Kasimdzhanov, Rustam g UZB 2702
32 Bu, Xiangzhi g CHN 2702
Don Groves (2009-09-05 00:09:13)
Too much French wine?
CHENNAI, India (Reuters) - A leading French chess player turned up drunk and dozed off after just 11 moves in an international tournament in Kolkata, losing the round on technical grounds, domestic media reported Friday.
Grandmaster Vladislav Tkachiev arrived for Thursday's match against India's Praveen Kumar in such an inebriated state that he could hardly sit in his chair and soon fell asleep, resting his head on the table, Hindustan Times newspaper reported.
Indian papers carried pictures of the world number 58 sleeping and the organizers' futile attempts to wake his up.
The game was awarded to the Indian on the technical ground of Tkachiev being unable to complete his moves within the stipulated time of an hour and 30 minutes, the paper said.
The player was warned and reprimanded by the organizers afterwards but has been allowed to take part in the remainder of the competition, the paper said.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-07 21:51:31)
Carlsen number 1
Now that Carlsen is training with Kasparov, how much time before being ranked number 1 in FIDE ratings according to you ?
Wayne Lowrance (2009-09-07 23:52:52)
A Big Mouth on Rybka Forum
Howdy Thibault & all.
There is a poster on the Rybka forum who has sort of a big mouth. He claims that Rybka IA feature is not best for CC games, claims it is too time consuming and at any rate he blubbers and brags that those who use IA are not able to defeat him. I am using my own language here in a jist of the conversation of his.
He further says that he never spends more that a matter of hours cogitating his move using a 3 tear "long game" approach to working his moves. Timers such at 60' 40 moves @ 1st tier etc (don't remember his 2nd tier timer. In any case he claims he can get to depth 40 in mid game situations using a "long game" three tier mode. and finds moves that are superior to IA running a day or more (he doesn't seem to understand that most CC players use IA in a special Centaur way and the Program is a tool.
He gives little respect for 2500 CC rated Centaur players using the feature IA. He beats such players all of the time, he say's with his Rybka usage with his very modest hardware against 2500 players using IA. I am skeptical. I asked where he plays CC (out of courosity) and he will not tell where. a Poster in response to his post believe he plays CC where computers are not allowed, I have no idea in this regard. I told him that I play at FICGS where computers are welcome and a 2500 rating on this server is very high. There are many well known players held in high regard playing at FICGS that would "clean his clock" with him playing as he say's he does.
So what is my point. I am wondering if I can invite this guy to join FICGS and that his lofty rating can be accepted. I shall invite him to Join our SM #11 tourney.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-08 00:10:04)
A Big Mouth on Rybka Forum
Hi Wayne, does he have any rating (FIDE/IECG/ICCF) ?
I would be curious to see some games by him of course :)
William Taylor (2009-09-08 00:45:12)
Depends
It depends whether you mean a solid, consistent number 1, or just being number 1 on one two-month period's rating list. The latter could happen at any time - he has been number 1 briefly on the live rankings before - though admittedly Topalov has quite a lead at the moment. I think Carlsen is still some way from being a dominant number 1 in the way Kaspy was though - that may not happen at all of course, and if it does I think it will take at least a year but probably rather longer.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2009-09-08 09:05:01)
Mr Lowrance
Don't waste your time with such characters. Mr Uri Blass has already revealed his methods, he plays in a site where engines are not allowed and he cheats using them. He has already made the same silly arguments before, he just wants attention.
Scott Nichols (2009-09-16 08:58:46)
Quick Corr. Chess
With the recent narrowing of the band in standard tournaments, it occurred to me that there is even less opportunity to get games than before. For those of us (and I think it is many) who check the site many times daily waiting for the next move, there just isn't enough games to feed our tremendous appetite for chess. I propose a new catagory, Quick Corr. chess, I know that sounds like an oxymoron, but here it is. It would have it's own Quick chess rating. Bands would be, Over 2000, 1600-2000, and under 1600. Time limit-10 days per game, increment-8 hours. I truly believe there is a market for this here. Advanced chess requires that you actually be at the comp. for a length of time till game is done, so it is not an option for many. But as you can see there has been quite an increase in advanced games being played. So---if you are one of those players like me, that check for moves first thing in the morning and last thing at night, sneak your laptop into the bathroom at work to see if your opponent took the sacrifice you just offered, etc., and time after time are disappointed at not seeing any new moves, please offer your support and suggestions on this. Thank you, signed "Starving for chess". :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-16 13:23:31)
Quick Corr. Chess
Hi Scott :)
Why not playing blitz games between your correspondence moves ?
IMO the problem with that idea is :
1) If the quick corr. chess games share the corr. chess rating list, it may bring trouble in it with many losses on time. Some other servers offer this kind of time control & it is not serious IMHO.
2) If the quick corr. chess games do not share the corr. chess rating list, it will be less interesting for most players and it means another rating list, probably the one too much.
In all cases, it will be more waiting lists to fill. At a 2000+ level, it is never so easy.
Waiting for more opinions...
Daniel Parmet (2009-09-17 07:38:06)
The real reality
The real reality is there is no reason to play rated chess when i'm facing lower rated opponents. I can enter thematics and unrated events where I can play experts and masters (who cares if its unrated?). I'm not gonna play a rated event where i'm top seed.
So the rating bands have eliminated playing options not created them.
Benjamin Block (2009-09-17 19:41:23)
Quick corr. chess
The only swedish site where you can play corr. chess have some very smal times the lowest is 7 days for whole game (no increment). But it is very smal and only person that don´t have a job or don´t go to school can fix it. It is also a contest about how can make the last move on the night?
Don Groves (2009-09-18 05:18:23)
Sigh...
I feel your pain, Scott. I would like to see a lower limit on the number of games one player can have at the same time. Maybe that would encourage some players to move more frequently...
Michel van der Kemp (2009-09-19 08:58:08)
ICCF uses no rating bands
Maybe this was the reason ICCF has qualification tournaments to get into higher tiers. You win a tournament and are qualified to play in a higher tier, regardless your rating. Of course that also means new players will always start in the lowest tier and getting to a tier that suits them is a long long road.
I don't know how hard it is to implement this, but it would solve the rating issues.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-19 22:14:20)
Rating bands
Well, you have to win even more games to enter the upper rating category and I'm not sure it is always a fair system for the winner of a tournament to access it, based on the argument you quoted & also is it fair to play more games to finally win one tournament and lose elo points because of the number of games played at the same time, what happens if 3 or 4 players win a tournament ? (we could use the WCH tournament rules but is it appropriate in this case)
Moreover IMHO, such a rule wouldn't be necessary for ratings below 2200. On the other hand, it may be envisaged to casually offer to the winner of a 2000+ tournament to enter an upper waiting list to complete a waiting list in certain conditions, eg. if his rating is not more than 100 points below the upper rating band (it may be an idea to launch the 11th class SM tournament), what do you think ?
Don Groves (2009-09-21 04:11:45)
rating bands
I agree with that: Under certain conditions, such as being less than 100 ELO points below the next higher rating and winning a lower rated tournament, a player gets a one time opportunity to play in the next higher group. If the player's rating is above the limit after the tournament, he/she remains in the higher class; otherwise they must play again in the lower class.
This would help fill higher rated tournaments faster and also allow players to advance more rapidly if they are good enough. This should apply to all FICGS games, Go and Poker included.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-22 17:37:12)
Important issue : Moves taken back
Hello all,
A player (no need to specify the game, at least not yet) asked me as the FICGS admin to take back his opponent's move which is an obvious mistake. In this case both players agree to take back the move to not waste the game, after that the player who made the mistake kindly asked to the other player if it was possible take back the move. At this point, all depended of the other player's fair play, but of course only the FICGS admin can take back a move in any game.
However I just wonder if it is fair in all cases to do this, particularly when a player shows a great fair play in all his games.
I've just read the rules again and nothing is mentioned on this and what should do the FICGS admin (or tournament director). Note, I've already taken back a few moves when both players agreed to do this in the past.
Question, not really a poll but your opinion would be appreciated : Do you think that the FICGS admin should...
1) take back all moves in this case.
2) take back some moves in this case (at his discretion).
3) never take back any move even in this case.
IMO, choice 2) is the best one as more or less complex cases may happen, what do you think ?
Thanks for sharing your views !
Hannes Rada (2009-09-22 21:48:50)
Depends
imho on the type of tournament.
It could be problemantic in round robin tournamens, as there are also other players involved.
Seems to be okay in a knockout tournament where only the 2 players are involved.
William Taylor (2009-09-22 22:16:32)
#2
I also vote for number 2.
Regarding Hannes Rada's point about the decision also affecting other players in a round-robin - this is also true to a lesser extent in elims, as it could affect who somebody's opponent is in the next round. Personally I don't think these considerations are very important if it is an obvious mouse-slip (such as Kf1 instead of O-O) and I certainly wouldn't want you to get the agreement of everyone in the tournament before allowing a takeback.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-09-23 02:50:06)
after review
After further consideration and reviewing the responses, I change my vote to #3. After OTB touch-move !no take backs. 2 is the polite thing to do and that influenced me. But there are other considerations. Thibault, keep it simple, no take backs. I have miss moved here but accepted it as the rule !
Wayne
Daniel Parmet (2009-09-23 03:44:25)
NO OTB Comparisions
I'm sorry I play 160 otb games a year I find this comparison unfair... OTB any touching of a piece or movement of a piece cannot be an accident. In corr and online games it is easy to have such accidents that are out of your control. After all there is no touch move rule in corr at all. I can touch the pieces come back later touch them again and repeatedly do this only submitting my move 60 days later after having touch every piece 100s of times.
Most online chess leagues have take back rules for obvious things like kf1 instead of castling.
Scott Nichols (2009-09-23 12:14:26)
#3
This is the only choice IMO. Any result achieved after a takeback would be hollow even if both players had agreed. Any brilliancy, comeback etc. would always have that "Good game, but...there was that takeback."
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-23 12:57:10)
Fair play
I must say that the argument "and if one player does not agree he/she is a bad boy/girl" is also very relevant IMO.
So in cases #1 & #2 it is up to the players to show some fair play or not, it may create rare abusive & unfair situations but it is probably too much already. I'm probably to choose #3 also (finally) because of this.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-24 13:35:23)
Kasparov vs. Karpov in Valencia, video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxfN9SaikQ
Simultaneous games by Kasparov & Karpov :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23OFWxaowc
William Taylor (2009-09-24 15:16:46)
Not over yet...
There are still 8 blitz games to be played, so Tolya could stage a comeback (it seems unlikely though, given the time trouble he's had in the rapid games).
Michael Sharland (2009-09-24 20:16:32)
#3 is the only fair choice
I've lost several games and tournaments due to carelessly inputing a move but I can't imagine ever asking my opponent for a redo. In the same vein, I wouldn't like to be put on the spot of being asked for a take back that I would not ask for myself. This make #3 the only fair choice. Everybody has to live with their mistakes. That is sensible and fair.
Iouri Basiliev (2009-09-25 09:17:51)
Team points
Some of the matches have been finished already. Time to make the teams table :)
John Smith (2009-09-28 22:32:58)
Human only games/Centaur
Hi all,
Initially when I registered I was under the impression that (e.g. like RHP) engines are not allowed. Then I saw a flag NO_ENGINES, which seems to imply that in other tournaments engines are allowed.
I would like to ask which types of tournaments are for Centaurs and which are human-only. Stepping into a Centaur tournament would not be a good idea as I don't think any amateur stands a chance vs a 2800+ Centaur.
So obviously NO_ENGINES are normal tournamets, are thematic tournaments normal tournaments as well? which ones are for Centaurs?
Pio Ziegler (2009-09-26 12:37:05)
Never
IMO #3 is the best way to avoid needless debates. ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-09-29 10:10:30)
Human vs. Centaur
Hello John, NO_ENGINES are the only "normal" tournaments, in all other ones engines are allowed, simply because there is no way to avoid it in correspondence chess. I'll try to make it clearer soon.
John Smith (2009-09-29 21:23:50)
Human/Centaur
Hi again,
Thank you for replying, therefore a NO_ENGINES flag is not present I better use engines as well as I don't think is meaningful to play vs a human-computer hybrid who probably is rated 1000+ Elo points above me (following the rationale centaur > rybka > SGM > GM > IM > me)
Not 100% what I was looking for but on the other hand this approach has the merit of studying the opening part of the game in great depth as positions can be analyzed to a great extent.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-19 17:32:20)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Btw, I hardly would call you an otb player since you haven't played in TWO years. Clearly, you are not up on the rules as I've explained them to you already how they work with USCF. But since you're not a td, and I am then I will explain them again.
If repeated draw offers is ruled a distraction by a TD: 1st offense warning. 2nd Offense warning. 3rd offense time penalty. 4th offense time penalty. Pretty much all a td can do is time penalties for something like this. If he ruled it a loss, he'd face an appeal to the ethics committee. He'd lose the right to TD events and the result would be overturned to Nihl in the end anyways as that is not a correct ruling by the td.
Ulrich Imbeck (2010-06-08 12:11:08)
time to learn french
its time to learn french :-)
Edward Kotlyanskiy (2010-02-08 02:18:27)
E. Kotlyanskiy new FICGS chess champion
Thanks Hannes and Xavier. I most certainly enjoyed our games. Xavier played very well and I want to thank him for the exciting chess. At this point however there are still two games going so the action isn't over yet ;)
William Taylor (2009-10-02 11:30:07)
Amazing
He's doing brilliantly so far, and he had a winning position at one point in the 3rd game too but spoiled it in time trouble. I for one hope his winning streak continues.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-04 21:18:25)
IECG stopping
Shocking news.... Email chess will miss to many players, I loved this way of playing too, server chess is just different.
The message at IECG home page :
"Due to the fact that email play declines quickly in popularity making it impossible to build tournaments in a reasonable time, and due to the practical issues of email (viruses, spam filters) making this playing mode difficult, IECG has decided to stop its operations in December 2010 and to transfer its activities to our partner the Lechenicher SchachServer Server (LSS) in the meantime."
A page of correspondence chess has ended.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-06 20:17:49)
2nd FICGS chess freestyle cup
Hi all,
Finally, I'll have some time to organize the 2nd FICGS chess freestyle cup during the next weeks !
The entry will be free for players rated over 2000, the prize will be 200 Epoints.
Three possibilities (swiss pairing) :
a) 6 rounds (1 hour + 15 sec/move), 2 rounds played each day - monday, tuesday, wednesday
b) 6 rounds (1 hour + 15 sec/move), 2 rounds played each day - friday, saturday, sunday
c) 6 rounds (30 minutes + 15 sec), 6 rounds played in a single day
Case a) could be organized next week or the week after, case b) couldn't be organized before about 1 month, case c) could be organized quite easily.
In cases a) & b), the best time for the daily 2 games remains to be found... IMO 8pm & 11pm server time or 1pm & 4pm server time are good choices, what do you think ?
Garvin Gray (2009-10-07 13:03:35)
dates please
To answer whether a set of dates are good or not, it would need to be declared what the dates actually are?
For me this is more important. I would suggest going with the Friday, Saturday, Sunday option as for some people they will have to play at really 'rude' hours, so scheduling for the weekend would be more likely to more entries.
Nick Burrows (2009-10-09 20:12:28)
Another played this week
Michel van der Kemp (2009-10-10 09:26:50)
Weekend
I agree the weekend will be better for most people, so I vote for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday option.
But maybe the c option is viable as well. From my experience freestyle is more a matter having better opening books and then a faster computer, and faster time controls is not necessarily a bad thing.
But I like to hear Eros Riccio's opinion on that.
William Taylor (2009-10-13 14:08:30)
C
C is the only option which I would have time to play (at the moment that is - in uni holidays I'd have time for any of the options). I may not play anyway though during term time, so I don't have a strong opinion on this.
Daniel Parmet (2009-10-17 00:20:25)
Three Cheers for Thibault
After having had numerous bad experiences on other chess correspondence sites... it occurs to me how lucky we are to have this great one run by Thibault! I would like to thank him!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-17 16:26:23)
Cheers !
Thank you :) Well, there are so many improvements to do yet (an AJAX interface & so on), I still feel that FICGS is in its starting phase, but I'm optimistic, I only hope that more players will mean an even more friendly place !
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-22 20:41:56)
Huayong Yang is the new Go WCH finalist
Congrats to Huayong Yang who made it in the Go WCH 4 preliminary tournament with an outstanding 8/8 !
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WCH_TOURNAMENT__000004
He will play Svante Carl von Erichsen in the next Go WCH final match...
Huayong started with the minimal authorized rank (10 kyu) without an official rating but obviously he's much much stronger ... His current rating is 2334 (3 dan) already, so the question is : do his opponents have an idea on his real strength ? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-26 02:13:10)
Crazyhouse
I used to play bughouse at blitz time control, I'm not sure about crazyhouse but would it be funny as well at correspondence time controls!? I'm not sure, what do you think?
Anyway, the question is always the same, should FICGS introduce more games just for fun or focus on competition for a few games only...
Lazaro Munoz (2009-10-26 11:15:01)
Crazyhouse
You would need some special rules to prevent long boring clock time out waits, such as when one side is mated on the move. He will sit out and wait for the events on the other game. Typically what happens is that it will be mate on the move in the reverse direction. So either have adjudicated a win for the side with more time on their running clock or force them to move at least every 10 days say.
By the way if you try crazy house, you might want to also introduce shogi where pieces become the property of the opponent and can be dropped in. You won't need special char set since you can use the chess set with mods such as inverting them like the rook for the lance, golds can be queen, silvers inverted queens, etc and promoted pieces, the piece with a circle surrounding it.
William Taylor (2009-10-26 13:58:56)
Crazyhouse
Lazaro:
1. I think you are confusing crazyhouse and bughouse. Crazyhouse is a 1-player game and so wouldn't have the problem you described.
2. Shogi - I might play shogi if it was introduced here, but I would certainly want proper shogi pieces, not chess pieces.
3. The original question - I enjoy crazyhouse, but wouldn't play it here at the moment as I'm too busy to start more time-consuming correspondence games. I'm also not sure if I'd enjoy it as much at correspondence time controls.
Lazaro Munoz (2009-10-28 03:07:17)
Crazyhouse
There is a website of chess variant database at http://wildchess.org/. The interesting thing is that popular openings are very similar to bughouse but that should be no wonder: avoid fianchetto's (weakness in g7,b7) to a drop pawn is deadly and avoiding pawn conflicts since pawns are lot more valuable off the board then on, etc.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-29 23:01:27)
Most active players, amazing statistics!
These statistics (updated every 2 days) are available at :
http://www.ficgs.com/about.html
And the overall winner is........ :)
Players most active : General (moves played)
1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff : 124234
2. Rolf Staggat : 81806
3. Anderson Barradas : 55829
4. Stephane Legrand : 47936
5. Scott Nichols : 46711
6. Mark Noble : 37387
7. Findlay Murray : 35874
8. Volker Koslowski : 33241
9. Don Groves : 29539
10. Thibault de Vassal : 26104
11. Francisco Gramajo : 25281
12. Sergey Uzdin : 25256
13. Michael Sharland : 24890
14. Josef Riha : 24193
15. Jason Repa : 22765
16. Laurine Ségur : 22577
17. Alexis Bromo : 20198
18. Benjamin Collette : 20112
19. Fernando Vasquez : 19928
20. Laszlo Kis-Kos : 19174
21. Christian Koch : 18450
22. Evgeny Yarkov : 17168
23. Xavier Pichelin : 16559
24. Garvin Gray : 16388
25. Ranganathan Raman : 15750
26. Sebastian Boehme : 15190
27. Zdravko Stoyanov : 15186
28. Nick Ioffe : 15151
29. Phil Cook : 15007
30. Sean McNabb : 14572
31. Daniel Parmet : 13814
32. Ilmars Cirulis : 13118
33. Joaquim Malpalma : 13057
34. Dmitriy Panov : 12733
35. Nelson Bernal Varela : 12119
36. Marco Roncagliolo : 11741
37. Dmytro Romaniuk : 11648
38. Miroslav Rakovic : 11435
39. Nick Burrows : 11242
40. Janeen Walden : 10967
41. Claude Brisson : 10812
42. Sandor Porkolab : 10714
43. Christophe Czekaj : 10678
44. Janusz Kepinski : 10675
45. Peter Willoughby : 10634
46. Benjamin Block : 10633
47. Kate Lubeck : 10155
48. Charlie Neil : 10076
49. Darko Pipac : 10072
50. William Taylor : 10036
Players most active : Go
1. Don Groves : 17026
2. Claude Brisson : 10812
3. Nick Ioffe : 10795
4. Alejandro Suarez-Moreno : 10018
5. Mickaël Simon : 8986
6. Thibault de Vassal : 8870
7. Sean McNabb : 8666
8. Sergey Tarassov : 8236
9. Phil Cook : 8186
10. Tetsuya Kobayashi : 7816
Players most active : Chess
1. Josef Riha : 24119
2. Fernando Vasquez : 19820
3. Zdravko Stoyanov : 14523
4. Anderson Barradas : 12587
5. Ilmars Cirulis : 12200
6. Laszlo Kis-Kos : 12068
7. Janusz Kepinski : 10675
8. Garvin Gray : 10638
9. Scott Nichols : 10211
10. Charlie Neil : 10076
Players most active : Chess 960
1. Christophe Czekaj : 1224
2. Joaquim Malpalma : 916
3. Frederick Estieu : 672
4. Ilmars Cirulis : 605
5. Pavel Háse : 600
6. Sefa Sarihan : 524
7. Sandor Porkolab : 512
8. Jay Melquiades : 495
9. Christian Koch : 470
10. Rick Spangler : 447
Players most active : Big Chess
1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff : 5583
2. Peter Willoughby : 4368
3. José Carrizo : 3319
4. Thibault de Vassal : 3199
5. Mark Noble : 2949
6. Sandor Porkolab : 2467
7. Volker Koslowski : 1887
8. Paul König : 1790
9. William Taylor : 1706
10. Ranganathan Raman : 1620
Players most active : Poker Holdem
1. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff : 111119
2. Rolf Staggat : 75570
3. Stephane Legrand : 41639
4. Anderson Barradas : 38671
5. Scott Nichols : 36500
6. Findlay Murray : 33008
7. Mark Noble : 31172
8. Volker Koslowski : 25829
9. Michael Sharland : 20721
10. Francisco Gramajo : 20431
Congrats Heinz-Georg, definitely you're the most addicted player ;)
Don Groves (2009-10-30 00:55:30)
ELO ratings also?
How about a similar list of overall ELO ratings?
Milos Budnar (2009-10-31 09:38:36)
vacation time
Is taking a vacation time during the world championship allowed? Miloš
William Taylor (2009-10-31 13:08:01)
Yes Miloš
Actually I haven't looked it up, but I don't why it would be any different. World championships are running all the time.
William Taylor (2009-10-31 13:14:20)
Don
One correspondence game is taking up lots of my time at the moment - a so-called 'Malkovich' game, where you explain all of your moves at length to the audience. It's here if you felt like taking a look: http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10309
Anyway, I have some way to go before I reach 24,000 moves. :O I wonder if I can make it before the team championship is over and the Dark Knights hold the trophy...
Thibault de Vassal (2009-10-31 13:18:45)
vacation time
Hello Miloš, yes it is allowed, as in any tournament but while playing a bullet/lightning/blitz game.
Milos Budnar (2009-10-31 16:32:14)
vacation time
Thanks William and Thibault,
There was just the diction "All games during the whole cycle are played in 30 days + 1 day / move" which confused me. Now, I am relaxed about that. Milos
John Smith (2009-11-02 02:23:14)
coming thematics
I second the Grunfeld thematic, other ideas:
* Tarrasch variation - Queen's Gambit Declined.
* Slav & Semi-Slav (all in one, 1.d4 d5. 2.c4 c6 being the starting position).
* Nimzoindian thematic.
* King's Indian thematic
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-03 11:40:33)
FIDE november rating list
Finally, Magnus Carlsen crossed the 2800 mark and reaches the 2nd place on the FIDE november rating list, ahead of world champion Viswanathan Anand. The next months will be interesting, at last :)
FIDE November 1st 2009 – Top 20 Players
Rank Name Title Country Rating Games BirthYear
1 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2810 10 1975
2 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2801 10 1990
3 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2788 0 1969
4 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2786 13 1982
5 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2772 0 1975
6 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2758 11 1986
7 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2758 11 1968
8 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2754 17 1976
9 Leko, Peter g HUN 2752 10 1979
10 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2750 0 1977
11 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2748 10 1987
12 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2739 13 1969
13 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2739 5 1983
14 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2736 13 1983
15 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2736 10 1983
16 Wang, Yue g CHN 2734 27 1987
17 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2729 15 1983
18 Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2723 12 1990
19 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2719 25 1985
20 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2719 18 1972
More details in the Chessbase news :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5879
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-03 11:58:36)
If anyone could comment any game...
As far as I can remember, in an old discussion we decided that anyone couldn't comment any running game (despite of the fact that rules allow players to use any kind of help)... That's why I made the "public comments" field for the players only.
Do you think that something could be improved ? What about a kind of thread displayed after the public comments ?
Anyone could write and comment any game... Now 3 options, the thread could be created only when the game finishes, it could be created when the game starts, or (thinking about Malkovich games) it could be created when the game starts, but the players can read it & write only when the game finishes !
What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-03 18:28:43)
Options
Actually this player could do it quite easily by many ways, including private messages.
To be clearer, the options :
1) The thread could be created when the game starts.
2) The thread could be created only when the game finishes.
3) The thread could be created when the game starts, the players can read or write only when the game finishes, the specators can read/write at any time.
4) No thread at all.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-03 19:10:11)
FICGS WCH 6 stage 2
I finally built 5 groups of 7 players (=35 players) for the 2nd stage of the 6th chess championship.
As you probably noticed, we had much less players in the 6th championship than in the 7th, also as there was 9 players by group, there was much less groups in the 6th championship.
Finally the choice was to build groups of 5 players playing a double round-robin tournament (wch rules have been updated for this case) with a few players invited, or to invite 10 more players from stage 1 in order to build 5 groups of 7 players. This last choice was best & more natural IMO to limit the number of games by player and to follow the idea to have more chances to see the very best players in the final stages.
Consequently the 3rd stage of WCH 6 (round-robin final) will be most probably a double round-robin tournament including the winners of these 5 tournaments (as there will be no need to invite any player to complete this group)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-03 19:44:40)
FICGS WCH 6 stage 2
To "clarify" the way groups are built, when looking at previous cycles there was 4 groups in most round-robin stage 2 and 7 players in every round-robin final, so there was 4 players qualified +1 from M group in stage 1 +2 players invited due to their result in the tournament (~1st place shared).
So I could have chosen to build 4 groups for this stage 2 as well, but there isn't a M group in this cycle and 3 players should be invited for the round-robin final which is a lot compared to the initial number, or it could be a double round-robin of 4 or 5 (with 1 invited) players, that I try to avoid as I think it is less efficient than single round-robin tournaments with more players... well I try to explain this complex way to decide how the groups are built to make it transparent at least, if not clear. As it is not possible to make a perfect algorithm, finding the best player should be the priority while building these groups, that's why IMHO it seems correct to see 2 (3 in rare cases) players qualified in these stage 1 tournaments.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-04 16:58:01)
Advanced games (blitz) : improvements
Hi all,
You probably noticed that there was many forfeits in advanced games as :
1) Many new players try it but do not read the instructions.
2) The system is not efficient enough to warn the players when a game starts.
The facts :
a) When you enter a waiting list for an advanced (blitz, lightning, bullet) game, you HAVE to withdraw before leaving, or the game may start without you - the way to do it may not be clear enough.
b) When you challenge a player, you may leave the computer, the system will not start the game without you (or in rare cases).
The idea of FICGS is to provide a web interface without any software to download, consequently everything is not possible... Now it only opens a pop up (if possible) & sends an email when a game starts, and it updates the page if you are in My Games.
Possible improvements :
1) To add a sound or voice message when a game starts.
2) To close advanced games waiting lists :/
3) ...
Well, it looks like I need some ideas. Anybody help ? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-05 11:19:28)
Is Poker holdem a game of chance ?
I'm always surprised when a poker player tells me that (in brief) Poker holdem is a game of chance...
You probably know that quotes (in FICGS file) saying that "Statistics are often overestimated", "98% of statistics are made up", "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. (Mark Twain)", it is often used as an argument.
So the question : Do you think that Poker holdem is a game of chance (in what measure & why) ?
Michel van der Kemp (2009-11-05 16:19:28)
Luck
Luck does not explain why the same poker players are always at the end tables of the poker tours. So there is definitely skill involved. I think the draw of the cards is more important than skill though, anyone can beat anyone.
Hannes Rada (2009-11-05 18:31:09)
Knockout Final 05
Maybe it's an idea to contact him by email to inform him that the final has already started ...
William Taylor (2009-11-05 18:36:33)
Is it worth improving?
FICGS is mainly a correspondence games server, and I wonder whether it's worth spending lots of time trying to improve its live games. Personally, when I want to play a live game, I go to one of the many servers which are dedicated to that. Perhaps the main disadvantage for me of playing a live game on FICGS is that the page keeps refreshing - it's annoying and you don't see the opponent's move instantly.
Hannes Rada (2009-11-05 18:42:10)
Sicilian Najdorf
Candidates Final 04
Riccio - Brunner: 8x Najdorf
Quarter Final 2 06
Noble - Gueci 8x Najdorf
Although the games are really interesting
Guys, isn't it a little bit boring playing 8 times the same opening ?
Maybe I am hypercritical today :-) but are chess openings reduced to Najdorf only ? Is this the only valid opening for cc nowadays ?
Any comments on this development in cc ?
Any comments ?
Philip Roe (2009-11-06 03:54:51)
Luck is the residue of design
Nick, I did not know that one. It is quite splendid and I thank you for it.
But it may not be Milton. I tried to look it up and quotation sites attribute it to a poem of his called "At a Vacation Exercise in the College" However, it does not occur there, and the Yale book of quotation credits someone called Branch Rickey in Sporting News, Feb 21 1946. A rather different source.
See http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/quotes-uncovered-who-worried-about-events/
Lazaro Munoz (2009-11-06 05:09:02)
Is Poker holdem a game of chance ?
The "luck" factor bears no part in the long run since good and bad hands will eventually equally one's "luck".
As a programmer myself I see hold'em poker as a state game as opposed to a stateless game such as roulette where the next roll is independent of the previous. The state is important in the past history of cards having been played. Of course too much knowledge of state in Blackjack will get you booted out of the casino :)
There are two sets of skills that a player possesses, probability and human nature assessment, it terms of detecting patterns of bluffing. In hold'em as opposed to other types of poker where there is less shared information, knowledge of probability becomes the more prominent skill as opposed to other types of blind pokers.
So "chance" is a part of the game but the open nature of hold'em brings more skill to table than other poker games.
Lazaro Munoz (2009-11-06 05:14:51)
Minims
I had this great little book on "Minims". Now minims is the opposite of maxims. Mimins make statements that are obvious, but funny. eg:
"No man has ever achieved immortality in his own life time."
"There are more things in heaven and earth than practically anywhere else."
"The early worm gets eaten by the bird."
Does anyone have this book? (I have long since lost my copy) And remember any of the other minims.
Lazaro Munoz (2009-11-06 05:33:55)
More Minims
I found the authors web page http://www.tweller.com/minims/ reconnected to some of my other favorites:
"A pencil with no point needs no eraser."
"An apple a day makes 365 apples are a year"
Sebastian Boehme (2009-11-06 23:00:55)
Interesting topic
Hello Hannes and the others,
in very official and important games I still highly rely on the Najdorf. But I also test openings like : French, Russian Petroff, Modern Defense with e4 g6 or for what it's worth e4 e5 followed by Ruy Lopez
But the tendency for many is to go with fashion. And fashion currently still is Najdorf.
So who to blame?
Anyone's own choice what they want to play, I would guess.
Kind regards,
Sebastian
Lazaro Munoz (2009-11-07 01:56:13)
Advanced games (blitz) : improvements
For blitz can you not define the start of the as move two (when to start the clocks too) so that you are assured that both players are present. If not continued after move 0.5 you can throw it after a period of time and go back to move 0 where both players need to start again. Or take the forfeit if the player does not return before the beginning of the next round.
--laz
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-07 02:28:21)
Najdorf vs. Petroff
When I have no time enough - that is quite often - I also tend to play Najdorf in all my games (white & black), as IMO it looks like more a perfect geometric shape (kind of spiral) that looks quite "simple" & that chess engines & humans 'generally' play quite well/logically. Also it gives more chances with both colors, particularly against a weaker opponent, as most pieces stay on the board while avoiding symetrical positions.
Finally the Sicilian Najdorf looks quite reassuring, that defines most often the human choice... I used to play many other openings more often, some are much more interesting in some ways with more psychological, strategic & tactical issues, but I must recognize that the more I play against or with engines, the more I play like them, particularly when I feel a general "zeitnot".
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-07 16:16:28)
"blitz cc"
Well, FICGS cannot & will not become a fast games server to play eg. "2 0" or even "5 0" (by the way even on the fastest servers, there are lag - and other - problems) but I hope there will be more and more players interested in classical time controls (called blitz here) & 'freestyle chess'... William, I can't remember the last time when you played a fast game here, the page now only refreshes when a move is played, and faster now... With an AJAX interface, it will be almost completely transparent.
Lazaro, actually the fast games with less than 2 moves will be replaced when a new challenge is accepted, to delete the forfeited games.
Eros Riccio (2009-11-11 23:49:00)
Knockout Final 05
Emails should have been sent by default to him when tourney started and when I sent him my first 4 moves... I am also disappointed, I had never played him before, and I was happy when I saw I was paired with him, I was looking forward to testing his "unusual" openings...
John Smith (2009-11-13 02:56:53)
Introduction to Centaur Chess
Hi all,
While I have played allot of chess, so far I only used my computer for an occasional analysis and mostly for the database features.
I am assuming it takes to know engines quite well to become good at advanced/centaur chess, so any advice would be really helpful.
1) Which engines are better at what type of positions? Is Deep Junior best at unclear sacrifices?, Rybka best for positional play?, Schredder best for endgames?
2) Which engines understand different pawn structures better, e.g. which is the best engine to study a stonewall-structure game and which is best for a King's Indian Mar de Plata game?
3) How to interpret the engine value for the position? e.g. if I, say as White, sac a pawn and the evaluation is -0.1, that is less that 1 pawn, does this mean I have enough positional compensation for the pawn?
4) Which engines take long-term weaknesses into their evaluations, even if they can't see anything concrete within their horizon?
5) Which free engines are worth consulting? toga? stockfish? Glaurung? thinker? Which of these are good for complex positions, which for quiet ones?
6) Are there any engines which improve their play during time, that is they learn? e.g. if in a position guiding the engine by hand proves that another move than its preferred one is best, will it be able to spot the move again, if the same position is re-entered?
7) Which is the best interface for analysis?
8) Is there a page with statistics of how each engine performs in every opening?
Thanks!
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-13 16:44:56)
Centaur chess
Hi John, I'm afraid there's no clear answer to these questions, in my experience it is not possible to classify chess engines so accurately, each position is differently understood by chess engines, and actually is differently not understood, in example many great moves were found in some way "by chance" by engines like Deep Junior... But this is old computer chess already, Junior has not been updated for a while and Rybka is probably best in all parts of the game for a few years (maybe that is to change).
As Michel said, experience is the key IMO.
John Smith (2009-11-13 18:19:12)
thanks for your responses
I see, it is a quite unexplored area.
Have engines advanced really that much though? Surely, there has been progress, but I did an experiment, I annotated some of my games using Fritz6 and Fritz 11. What caught me off guard was the fact that their 1st recommendation was the same everywhere, and in fact, oddly, Fritz 6 converged first to the "correct" reply.
They still sometimes fail to find some critical moves made by positional masters like Karpov or Kramnik. Of course they have also found many moves of their own (Bxh2!? vs Kasparov) which were not even considered by human masters.
Since my initial questions are probably on too abstract grounds, I'd like to ask a purchase question. I will buy Rybka soonish, however I was wondering if it is worth purchasing other engines as well.
- Is Shredder 12 worth it? are there some parts of the game where it does better than Rybka?
- Are they planning to release a new Deep Junior?
- Is the old Deep Junior 11 worth it, or because it hasn't been updated, even in positions where its strengths lie it has been surpasses by other engines?
Wayne Lowrance (2009-11-13 18:42:00)
Centaur Chess
Howdy John, I will try and give maybe a little more detail to the best my ability.
1) Rybka is probably best up to "end game" and in end game I like Naum and Zappa.
2) Stonewall: , do not know best engine, but probably not Rybka
3.) Not enough information and again it depends on Engine Tactics. But in general, probably is worth looking into deep P.V.
4) Have no idea
5) No idea.
6) Out of book move "repeat/improvement recognition" as far as I know is not a feature. You as the Centaur of course should recognize this.
7) Well, you will get big arguments here. Many will tell you Aquarium (if you can master it).
8) NO
In CC chess, the book is probably the most important thing to study and improve.As mentioned, experience is number one. Dont know if this post is of any value
Wayne
Michel van der Kemp (2009-11-13 19:26:27)
If I really want to delve into it
If I really want to delve into a position, I let two different engines analyze a position. If I'm out to win, I let both engines look for closed lines that don't lead to quick exchanges, unless they lead to clear advantages.
If engines evaluate a certain position very different, then those moves will catch my interest very quick, because those are the lines that may be highly imbalanced. I let both engines descend into those lines playing them against each other, and when you see the evaluation of one of the engines drop or go up, then it's a good time to draw a conclusion.
I hope that was clear a bit.
So yes it's good to have multiple engines.
Vjacheslav Perevozchikov (2009-11-14 03:10:41)
Thibault
Game 36911 and Game 36913 in my group seems to go in the same way. There is a temptation to spy the opponents game :)
My question - is there a possibility to hide games during tournament avoiding a simple repetition of the moves? Like LSS it does.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-14 22:32:27)
Fritz 11 vs. Fritz 6
IMO, it is useless to try to compare Fritz 11 and older versions (or even other engines) when analyzing a human game... simply because there are much less "critical points" for engines in such games than in engine games or centaur games, 'cause there are much less horizon effects (sorry, I can't remember if this is the correct term, particularly after 1000 km on the road :)) in human games.
John Smith (2009-11-17 04:11:40)
thanks!
Nothing wrong with your English!, it was just a matter of definition :) I am not familiar with advanced chess so it was the first time I came across the term "critical points" in chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-17 10:10:55)
Rybka
Most solid+positional+knowledge is most probably Rybka, as for the term of "complications", this is a complicated question :) IMO any good player is better than any engine to find it & go in, then a centaur with Rybka is probably best to play it.
John Smith (2009-11-17 10:25:12)
so
So which engine is good to co-consult given Rybka?
In order to be useful it should have a different style, as an engine with style similar to Rybka's is unlikely to provide significantly additional information.
I am guessing Deep Junior is somewhat old (?), Shredder is also solid+positional so possibly not too useful to co-consult, Naum & Zapa have been discontinued and in Fritz the focus has shifted more to training features in the interface.
Is it only Rybka these days? What about the open source & free engines that exist?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-17 12:15:57)
One engine vs. several engines
Naum discontinued ? Really ? That would be bad news...
In my experience, other engines do not really give "additional informations". One chess engine give informations, several chess engines give odds. Other (weaker) chess engines may give bad odds as well and actually quite often. Only your analysis will give you true informations, you just have to explore not only the best variant provided by your engine.
Finally most important is to NOT trust chess engines IMO. In most cases at correspondence chess against strong players, in some ways "I" won some games (by analysis and ideas) and "engines" made me lose some others, that's correspondence chess... (hear me, of course it was my entire responsibility in all my losses & I wouldn't have been able to get good results without the help of engines :))
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-17 18:44:19)
Marc Lacrosse vs. Eros Riccio
His match with Eros Riccio is canceled of course. We will remember him here by his fantastic & original games, with an outstanding rating of 2557... He lost only one beautiful game to Marius Zubac at FICGS in 2007 :
http://www.ficgs.com/game_12869.html
More games by Marc :
http://www.chessgames.com/player/marc_lacrosse.html
We'll miss him.
William Taylor (2009-11-17 20:44:08)
Terrible news
I remember him beating Anand in a simul on the ICC (he was the only one who won). The game can be seen here (in a posted comment, which also confirms his death): http://www.chessgames.com/player/marc_lacrosse.html
I didn't know him personally, but it's a great loss for the whole of FICGS.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-17 20:59:43)
Anand vs. Lacrosse
Yes, the event was related on many well known websites :
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/04/anand-scored-17-wins-1-loss-and-1-draw.html
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2007/04/anand-simul-and-interview.htm
http://www.indianchessfed.org/News/2007/April/Anandwins17gamesincharitysimul.asp
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-17 23:27:59)
Wch 7 Group N 01 (chess)
As it was impossible to build one or two new groups in coherence with existing groups with the players who entered the chess wch waiting list lately, I had to build a special group that I called N_01 .. somewhere between M_01 & regular groups. Most probably 3 or 4 players from this group will be qualified for stage 2.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-11-18 04:21:26)
Mark Lacrosse
Very saddened by this news, so young and a very fine gentleman. FICGS will miss him
Wayne
Don Groves (2009-11-18 05:01:43)
Bil Gates
The man was so attached to Microsoft, it's a wonder he had time to even think of anything else. He did play in a few duplicate bridge tournaments later in his working life.
A former co-worker of mine told me he was turned down for a job at Microsoft because "he had too many outside interests." Gates was once quoted as saying "If a programmer doesn't spend all his waking time thinking about making his program better, he hasn't got religion."
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-19 00:49:15)
Talkchess
Obviously, Marc was also well known on the Talkchess forum... many nice words on him.
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30688
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-25 14:10:56)
Obama, Hu Jintao and Go
President Barack Obama offered a Go set (a Go board made in US. & a set of jade weiqi stones from China contained in glass bowls made in US.) to Chinese President Hu Jintao when he met him last week.
http://bbs.eweiqi.com/read.php?tid=100070030&fpage=3
Quite symbolic, but what is exactly the symbol... :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-27 19:30:34)
Ivanchuk may quite professional chess
What's wrong with Vassily Ivanchuk ? In his interview in Chessbase news, he says he may quit professional chess because of this match lost to an unknown player... Not only a match, a "crucial" match he said (like any other?), but it seems to me that there are a lot of things hidden behind the words. Maybe it's just time for him to change his life, at least I hope it is so simple.
End of the interview : "I only feel that the world has crashed down around me. Everyone is against me, and I don't see the way out…"
Strange...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5941
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-29 17:15:18)
Nigel Davies & Garry Kasparov
Hi Nick,
Nigel Davies played with computer assistance but IMO only to verify his moves, he was very creative in some games. As for Garry Kasparov, if I remember well, he said a long time ago that he could become easily the best correspondence chess player (if assisted by computers, I guess). However I'm not sure if his preparations for OTB chess would be useful here, but most probably he could achieve this. Hard to predict what rating he could reach as a centaur, maybe 2650-2700....... Without computer assistance, it would be much harder, maybe 2300-2350 ..
It seems to me that Peter Leko played some games at ICCF, without so much success also, right?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-29 17:18:44)
Viktor Korchnoi and castling
Just noticed this funny story in a Wikipedia article :)
"Viktor Korchnoi, in his 1974 Candidates final match with Anatoly Karpov, famously asked the arbiter if castling was legal when the castling rook was under attack. The answer was in the affirmative, and Korchnoi ended up winning the game."
Most probably a psychological attack, like often at this time and particularly during the matches Karpov vs. Korchnoi ;) Everybody knows the yoghourt story...
Philip Roe (2009-11-29 21:47:19)
Korchnoi and Castling
I read an account by Korchnoi himself (although I dont recall where) that it was a real uncertainty. He said that in all his career he had never encountered the situation.
Nick Burrows (2009-11-29 21:52:21)
thankyou
Very interesting - thanks guys!
Incidentally i once beat GM Nigel Davies in a simul!
Quite a poor game, but complicated!! He won 26 drew 3 and lost to little old me ;O)
Philip Roe (2009-11-30 04:11:28)
Further Clarification
For further clarification on the catling rules, see Tim Krabbe's contribution in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke_chess_problem
Michel van der Kemp (2009-11-30 12:51:02)
Andersson
Didn't Ulf Andersson become ICCF World Champion? At least I remember a game where he beat then world champion Gert Timmerman (2200-2300 FIDE rating) with black. I know for a fact he was at one point the highest rated player in ICCF.
Nick Burrows (2009-11-30 14:28:52)
Compter Ulf?
So did Ulf use computer assistance?
Impossible to obtain the top ranking without it no?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-11-30 21:19:51)
Computer assistance
It is clearly impossible to top a correspondence chess rating list without computer assistance... IMHO :)
Pavel Hase (2009-11-30 23:56:42)
Value
Value is higher, my guess.
N - all fields, but horde moves for displacement, very slow piece.
B - only 128 fields, but only 2 moves for displacement (if clear board)
R - all fields, only 2 moves for displacement
Q - only 2 moves for displacement, but over one move, than Rook.
Guess
N - 3 (2-4) (From two pawns other sides any chance, but if pawns nearly, anyway 8x8 chess. Board 8x8 Notin, needed max. 4 moves, here?) Other tip? Mutually support afore own pawns.
B - 6(!) Very higher movement, than Notin. Other tip? Between own pawns, menace opponent piece.
R - 11 (10-12) Anyway 8x8 chess, pieces for middle game and endings. Interplay here is heavy work.
Q - 23 (20-30!) If interplay Rooks is heavy work, then Queen probably better, than two Rooks. Anyway 8x8, attention, traps and time for raven.
Sorry, my english language is weak.
Michel van der Kemp (2009-12-01 00:40:00)
Andersson & computers
I would think Anderson used all the help he could get, since he is a professional. So if a computer could help him achieve what he needed he would use that.
But mind you this is a maybe 5 years ago, when rybka was unknown, and computers like Fritz were the best engines. Back then humans were still (somewhat) thought to be superior I think, at least in strategical positions. So maybe he didn't use computer assistence.
Pavel Hase (2009-12-01 01:25:54)
Notin movement
Scheme is here:
http://www.chesspraga.cz/images/Notin_BigChess_16x16.png
Nick Burrows (2009-12-01 01:36:41)
Joop van Oosterom/Jeroen Piket?
I just came accross this statement by Tim Krabbe
The Turk was operated by William Schlumberger, Mephisto was operated by Isidore Gunsberg, Ajeeb was operated by Harry Pillsbury and , the Dutch billionaire / new World Correspondence Chess Champion, is operated by Jeroen Piket.
Is this true? Is it really a computer assisted Jeroen Piket??
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-01 15:02:11)
Fixed poker bug (rare case)
There may have been a bug in a few poker games, provoking the loss of the game without any "obvious" reason.
As a reminder for myself it happened here :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=32014&move=1338
This is where PHP is magic, sometimes '1' == '1-0' , sometimes not (the operator === is useful then), according to the way the variables are calculated. I fell into the trap... Now it should be ok. I verified several thousand games without this problem but do not hesitate to warn me if you noticed something strange in one of your games.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-02 17:50:27)
Major update : Go openings (joseki)
A major update just occured, finished FICGS Go games (chess & poker as well) are now analyzed by the server that gives the name of each known joseki [the first 2 moves at the moment] played in each corner, sometimes it also gives the way it should be played...
See an example at the bottom of this page :
http://www.ficgs.com/game_2481.html
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=2481
Finished games are not analyzed in real time, but this update opens new perspectives to see one day a function to search games by joseki.
Please do not hesitate to comment this update or to report any bug you may see.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-02 18:28:19)
Major update : Chess openings & endgames
A major update just occured, finished FICGS chess games (Go & poker as well) are now analyzed by the server that gives the name of each known opening & classifies the games by endgames, castlings & promotions !
Best, now you can find games by material on the board (like Chessbase) for endgames with less than 10 pieces. Just click "Search games" in the menu, eg. enter KRPP vs. KRP (whatever the order of the letters & colors), and you'll find among others this game (see the description of the game at the bottom of the page) :
http://www.ficgs.com/game_3724.html
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=3724
Note : Finished games are not analyzed in real time, but this update clearly opens new perspectives :)
Please do not hesitate to comment this update or to report any bug you may see.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-04 13:13:05)
Castling
Funny story... So we can imagine the problems referees may encounter in OTB tournaments when the question is more complex :)
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2009-12-06 00:33:26)
BasmanSale defence . ..
I downloaded long time ago from that website most of the zip files and the reports in pdf. These are:
BasmanSale-extended-05.2007.zip
BasmanSale-pure-05.2007.zip
Basman-Sale-reports-052007.zip
I could send the to anyone or put them in any repository .....
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-06 15:50:16)
Multiple nicknames
It is not authorized, particularly to use several accounts at the same time in order to try to cheat (that is detected in most cases)... Anyway the system discouraged the few attempts.
I also know that a few players do not use their real name (eg. that was authorized for the match Igame.ru), generally they do not find motivation enough to stay and reach the top ratings, that seems quite logical and consequences are negligible.
You may send a private message to me if you think that there is cheating in a tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-06 16:03:33)
never :)
Hi Iouri, well it happened to other well known players in the past... thinking about Valery Salov, Gata Kamsky, those who prefered Backgammon or Poker and so on... and it may happen even more often in the next years, times are quite discouraging for those who are not the very best, whatever the art or sport (or any other sector). I think he was sincere and as he said, he was not quiting chess, only the professional road. He may change his mind again IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-06 16:45:22)
Idea to avoid DMD at Poker holdem
Maybe an idea to avoid the "Dead Man Defence" at poker... I feel that this is not employed really often actually (at 2000+ ratings at least) as it is not at the player's advantage after a while but it may be an improvement anyway.
The idea is to keep the same time control but to force players to play a certain pending move before to play a new move in his other games again. In example, I have a pending move in poker games 1,2,5,6 : I play my move in games 1 & 2, my opponents play their moves, then I cannot play in games 1 & 2 again (the symbol in My games wouldn't be "!" but "#") before I played the other moves. Atually it wouldn't be so simple as it may be quite uncomfortable at every move, but something like this if I can detect real DMD.
What do you think about it? BTW did you notice that some of your opponents may use DMD while playing other games?
Don Groves (2009-12-06 22:56:17)
Problem?
What if I have several tournament games running and also a real-time game? If I had to respond to all other moves before playing again in the real-time game, I could lose on time.
Daniel Parmet (2009-12-07 03:21:05)
He already did change his mind.
He did change his mind already. Who could blame him though? With the onset of the computer era, chess has lost of alot of its meaning to everyone.
William Taylor (2009-12-09 09:55:08)
Philip
If I try to click that link on the chessbazaar homepage (got to via archive.org), I get an error message. However, if I paste the url of the link directly into the box on the homepage of archive.org then I get there eventually, though it takes a loong time to load. Can you get to the chessbazaar homepage ok through archive.org?
Philip Roe (2009-12-09 21:59:40)
Wiiliam
Using that trick I can get either to the chessbazaar homepage or to the Basman-Sale index. After that I get stuck because none of the links seem to go anywhere. Im not a very sophisticated web searcher!
Philip Roe (2009-12-10 04:14:35)
Rodolfo
So although you say that you downloaded Marcs notes some time ago, you may have the latest version in existence. Perhaps you could forward it to Thibault and he can create a space for it.
It looks as if Marc put substantial effort into collecting it, and did intend some form of publication.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-11 21:08:34)
clock implementation
Hello Thibault. In my tournament SM11 my clock increment may not have been added after first 10 moves in all my games. If you have a time stamp would you please examine it. My remaining days left does not suggest that 40 moves have been added at end of the 10 move slot in my games. Knowing my operating habits it sure sound wrong.
Understand this please, unless you can verify with time stamp or whatever I do not want any adjustments. I will play as the remaining time in each game remains.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-11 21:32:06)
40 days increment
Hi Wayne, I see no problem with the clocks, I can see in the logs that 40 days have been added after move 10, you can see it in our game at least where you have more than 40 days remaining. About the other games, your opponents played fast, that may be a reason, by the way you also take several days per move in our 8 games match. Too many running games may be another reason (I know that :))
Time flies away, definitely !
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-11 21:56:40)
clock implementation
Okey dokey Thibault, case closed. I must pay more attention to timers. I confess to not paying much attention. In hindsite it just did not look right. :)
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-12 20:07:17)
Rent Rybka
Can you imagine renting Rybka for CC ?, I sure cannot. And even if it is on fast hardware, it will be slowed down by all the activity I would guess. For blitz chess it makes no sense either because of the internet delays. Bah, Vas has flipped his lid.
I would get along just fine here on FICGS without Rybka anyhow. More inportant here is the opening and the skill of the Centaur.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-12 20:13:50)
Renting Rybka
Follow up. I learned a long long time ago that the choice of opening book and move selection is the number one important parameter. Number two is the strength and skill of the Centaur. Here most all is using Rybka as the primary program so it figures that the last dependent variable is centaur skill.
Vjacheslav Perevozchikov (2009-12-14 18:18:34)
support for XFCC
Hi Tibault!
Do you plan to implement this great feature - http://www.xfcc.org/ ?
New Aquarium 2010 and «old» CB10 both support it.
Hannes Rada (2009-12-15 22:33:19)
XFCC
Maybe its counterproductive to implement this feature.
Because than there is no need to visit www.ficgs.com anymore. You could do everything with XECTool (However this tool written by Andres Valverde will not be developed further).
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-15 22:37:30)
How to join a game?
Hello Anthony,
You may challenge players in My games (best way), or you may enter a bullet, lightning or blitz waiting list in an advanced tournaments category in Waiting lists - in this case do not forget to retire from the waiting list if you don't find an opponent.
Most players here prefer to play tournaments at a long time control.
Feel free to read the help section - http://www.ficgs.com/help.html
Michel van der Kemp (2009-12-19 17:22:51)
Wikimedia
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Chess
Did you look here?
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-20 14:23:36)
Boris Spassky vs. Viktor Korchnoi
Entitled the "Battle of the Giants", a match just started in Elista (Kalmykia) between the 10th World Champion Boris Spassky (aged of 72), and Viktor Korchnoi (now aged of 78, multiple World Championship challenger mainly during the Karpov era, but still active in competitive play).
Korchnoi won the first game, game two ended in a draw. This kind of match is always a pleasure to follow for long time chess fans :)
Here is the first game !
Josef Riha (2009-12-21 10:47:56)
Sorry to all my opponents...
... for the long delay. I was moving and it needs much more time as expected.
Unfortunately takes the internet-connection also much more time until it works again.
Sorry for inconvenience.
With greetings, Josef.
Garvin Gray (2009-12-21 14:48:46)
time out
Did you time out any games?
Josef Riha (2009-12-21 15:05:47)
Time out
No one game lost due to time out.
Hannes Rada (2009-12-22 20:02:59)
Korchnoi
I have never been a fan of Korchnoi and his defensive style, also Spassky is not my favourite player .....
But anyway quite immpressive for age 78 ...
And if a defensive player, then the most weird one - Tigran Petrosjan and his very strange and passive style.
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-23 23:35:45)
my bad
There is no bad software, only bad webmasters :) just a small optimisation that optimised Christmas too much ;)
Pablo Schmid (2009-12-26 22:21:54)
Rating calculation
Hello Thibault, j'aurais préféré parler en français mais puisque je suis sur le forum...
Could you explain how exactly chess rating's calculation works in ficgs?
And I think games with 10 moves or less should be counted, maybe not every games but sometimes 8 or 9 moves can be sufficient to punish someone (nice miniatures or quick mates are possibles) and it enables the loser to resign (or be mated) without losing points. An example of an abusive situation: imagine I play the Traxler and I resign before 10 moves if I see a good choosed line by my opponent which I don't like to play as Black because I know I might suffer or even lose...
J'espère que je t'aurai convaincu et que mon exemple ne donnera pas de mauvaises idées!
Sur ce, bonnes fêtes,
Pablo
Pablo Schmid (2009-12-27 02:02:01)
rules of 10 moves
Thanks for the quick response, my proposition would be no limit of move at all to win points, as in OTB chess. Maybe an idea could be to not make winning points in a game where the player did not connect for a long time before the tournament begin as it is clear that it is a "forfeit", as in OTB when someone don't come.
But maybe you will convince me that your idea is better than mine?
Pablo Schmid (2009-12-27 13:42:31)
Rating calculation
Salut Thibault, bon j'écris en français cette fois, j'ai lu les explications sur les calculs mais ça me semble assez obscur, alors je vais poser des questions proches de ma situation. Imaginons que je commence un tournoi 2000-2200 avec un rating à 2000 pile et que je fais un score de 50% contre des joueurs à 2050 de moyenne, en théorie je devrais gagner quelques points non? Et maintenant mon classement réel a monté depuis le début du tournoi disons à 2120, et du coup le 50% contre cette moyenne à 2050 me ferait perdre des points si on compte mon rating le plus récent. Alors est-ce que c'est mon ELO de départ qui va être pris en compte ou mon ELO actuel? En gros je suis en train de me demander s'il est intéressant de commencer un tournoi avant la nouvelle liste avec un classement supérieur sur cette liste, ou si cela ne change rien voire désavantageux...
J'espère que tu auras compris ma question et merci d'avance pour ta réponse :)
A +
Pablo
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-27 14:08:37)
10 moves rule
IMO this rule is important because :
1) It dissuades cheating by creating several accounts playing together through proxies... This rule makes it really hard to win some points this way, it would be detected even more easily.
2) In many cases, new players (who did not realize that computer assistance was authorized, who do not like the correspondence time controls or who just wanted to try) forfeit their games after 3 or 4 moves rather than let it go. There is no doubt to me that this phenomenon would have much more bad effects on ratings.
3) It is likely that a player who "miniatures" another player is actually much stronger than his opponent, so his rating shouldn't increase so much.
Finally and that's the main point IMO, "unfair" situations are statistically negligible compared to the other possible rules. See the other servers...
So far I'm quite convinced that it is one of the best implemented rules here, and this is exactly the way I optimise the programs: "Statistics give better results than looking for perfection" :)
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-27 19:13:04)
Rating calculation
Re... nos réponses précédentes se sont croisées, désolé :) Le prochain classement est calculé en tenant compte du classement courant donc cela ne change rien puisque l'on ne peut pas vraiment prévoir quand se termineront les parties... on gagne forcément des points en faisant 50% contre des joueurs qui avaient un TER plus fort que le classement courant, idem dans l'autre sens. En général, la "gestion" des résultats n'influe que très peu sur le classement final.
Hannes Rada (2009-12-28 21:45:47)
Sicilian ?
I see only 1 Sicilian in this match.
And I see many different openings. That's good - That's more entertaining than 8 times Najdorf ....
So no need to advertise for this Sicilian. It will be anyway played to much for my taste :-)
Originally it was very doubtful for me to play 8 times the same opponent. But then I realized that it can be quite interesting. At least when you're rating is better than those of your oppoent .... :-)
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-29 00:56:03)
Rybka demise
Howdy all. I feel like voicing my opinion of Vas and Rybka. I honestly feel his hold on the chess community has weakened to the point of breaking. He has his problems. His source code apparently has been compromized. This has led him to not releasing a Rybka3+ as promised. The release of Rybka4 is very cloudy. Then there is this cloud Rybka internet rentel thing that is supported by no one it seems, me for sure.
Anyways this is just back drop for recent developments in free software engines that are very strong and are pushing R3 in ratings. I am thinking about the following engines, that I have downloaded and find very interesting AND strong :
Stockfish 1.6
Brite 0.4A
Spark 0.3
I have minimal experience with these engines. I just want all my friend here on FICGS to be aware of them and if interested they can download them and be on equal footing. My wish is for better chess and I have no ambition to have secret progams.
The important thing I feel is that the loss of Rybka engine does not put much of dent in play quality. It was gonna happen sooner or later, and now it seems sooner.
My honest evaluation today is that Rybka3 still provides the best insite to best mid game play.
I want to put in a word for Zappa. I fairly often use Zappa as my CC engine partner because of better end game analysis. Rybka has no peer in mid game analysis. Well I share these thought with you all for what it may be worth. Best 2010
Cheers.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-29 14:37:07)
Rybka demise
Thanks for sharing your views on the current computer chess world, Wayne. It is always interesting :) As for Rybka, I did not (want to) imagine this outcome... I continue to think that the little fish would have been catched by her older brothers within a few months/years. But if Rybka's source code has indeed been compromised, the future of chess engines is quite uncertain.
In a way, it could have some interesting consequences for correspondence chess to see clones with the same strength playing different chess.
William Taylor (2009-12-29 15:49:17)
Rybka demise
Thanks Wayne - an interesting post. I've downloaded Stockfish and am currently testing it against Rybka - 50% so far. While searching for the engines you mentioned I came across an engine called RobboLito (and Ippolit and Igorrit which are similar I believe). Opinion seems to be divided as to whether or not it is a Rybka clone, and how strong it is. Is this what you were referring to when you said Rybka's code may have been compromised? Any opinion on RobboLito?
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-29 18:40:55)
Rybka demise
William, wow, These are new engines for me, I will look for them.
On cloning, Stockfish is not the engine cloned as for as I know. There are two other engines for which I have downloaded because the moderators of the Rybka forum have deleted all reference to them, including engine name and download site. Vas has admitted that one in particuliar is a clone and the cloning programmer had discussions with Vas letting him know what he was doing, very interesting. Since both these engines are free downloadable making the source code available for all other programmers. It is common on the forum discussions about R3 source code being compromised.
Thank you for sharing your Stockfish- Rybka testing results. What time control are your test run.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2009-12-29 19:50:45)
RobboLito vs. Rybka 3
What are RobboLito, Ippolit and Igorrit ? It looks like these names are invading computer chess forums... As you may have read in the discussion mentioned below, the Rybka 3's source code may have been compromised and these engines "may" be clones of Rybka 3 (everyone does not agree on this). Good or really bad news, anyway this open source chess engine may have many consequences on the computer chess world, and correspondence chess as well...
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=8031
From the wikispace mentioned below :
IPPOLIT : Intellectual Persons Promotion Of Leninist International Tradesunions (!??)
Q. What is RobboLito?
A. RobboLito is the version of IPPOLIT that now contains endgame tablebases, the RobboBases.
A few links on RobboLito 0.085f1a, Ippolit & Igorrit (says it all IMO) :
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/RobboLito
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/Igorrit
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/FAQ
see also : ippolit.wikispaces.com/Clone+(Question)
http://ippolit.wikispaces.com/News
-> IPPOLIT banned from chessprogramming wiki!
PlayChess banned IPPOLIT from use online also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r_V_QkmHjo
http://www.chesslogik.com/robbolito.htm
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/free-chessengine-robbolito-is-1-at-swisstest-rybka-2?lc=1
http://www.cyclonechess.com/rybka3.htm
"RobboLito is an open-source UCI chess engine by: Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin, Igor Igorovich Igoronov, and Roberto Pescatore."
RobboLito does not yet support: multiPV, own book, egbbs, tablebases, multiple CPUs/cores, chess variants
Estimated rating: ~ 3300 ELO
Available versions:
RobboLito 0.085g3 w32
(optimized windows 32-bit executable and source code)
RobboLito_0.085g3_w32_no_SSE2
(optimized windows 32-bit executable - for older CPUs that don't support Intel SSE2 instruction set)
RobboLito 0.085g3_x64
(fast windows 64-bit PGO executable
compiled by peterpan)
RobboLito 0.085g3l_x86
(optimized linux 64-bit executable and source code
ported to linux by unisky)
http://www.cyclonechess.com/robbolito.htm
http://www.cyclonechess.com/rybka3.htm
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1261597025/4
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258991841
http://queenchess.blogspot.com/2009/11/fritz-12-vs-robbolito-e2-latest-version.html
http://lefounumerique.xooit.com/next?t=663 (french)
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-29 19:58:13)
RobbaLito
Wow, I cannot keep up with all the improved downloadable engines. LobboLite I do not have and was not aware of it, before it was mentioned in response to my earlier post. gracious :) CC chess is the better for it. It gives latitude for Centaur personality/engine team work. So maybe CC chess will not be so determinate in the near future.
Wayne
William Taylor (2009-12-30 11:38:30)
RobboLito
There are lots of discussions on talkchess about whether or not RobboLito is a Rybka clone (some of which are made longer by the fact that not everyone sticks to the topic). As far as I can tell there is no clear consensus - perhaps most are saying that until someone provides clear evidence that Robbo is a clone it should be assumed not to be, but some are adamant that it is a clone (either of Rybka 3, or of something closer to Rybka 4 - leaked code). Vas says it is a clone, and that the hackers have even informed him of their progress via e-mail, but he has apparently not provided evidence for his claim as he did for the Strelka case (Strelka was a Rybka clone). Many programmers on the forum say that they cannot see any evidence that Robbo is a Rybka clone by looking at the source code, and it often gives quite different evaluations.
Sebastien Benoit (2009-12-30 17:22:55)
On reverse enginerring
I'v read some of the arguments for and against the theory that RobboLito is a Rybka clone and I must say that I'm more inclined to beleive it is not. But for those who think that the reverse engineering of a software as complex as Rybka is not possible... sorry but it is possible! A team ( don't know how many guys would be needed) of good computer scientists would certainly be able to reverse engineer enough of it to get a global picture of what kind of optimisations it has. And remember that computer chess is not new and a lot of knowledge is available trough books and of course, the web.
Some are claiming that a reverse engineered clone of Rybka would have the same level of functionality as the original. They say that, because they don't really understand the process. Reverse engineering doesn't necessarily lead to an approximate clone of the origninal source code. It is more a process of understanding how it works. Once you got this understanding you can write from scratch and add incrementally whatever functionnality you desire.
Wayne Lowrance (2009-12-30 19:10:08)
Rybka clone
Nick I think you have hit the nail on the head. Yes that is suspicious. Commercial programmers of programs like shreddar, Fritz, Junior and Zappa, etc have worked a long time and not come to Rybka playing floor yet. So it would seem unreasonable these recent free programs have made the jump mostly right at the start. A huge compliment to Vas I would say
Wayne
William Taylor (2009-12-30 22:17:44)
Wayne
Stockfish is not a commercial program, and has only been released relatively recently (I think), but it is already at about the level of Rybka. I know it's based on Glaurung, which has had years of work put into it, but perhaps Robbo is also based on a strong open source program. I'm not saying Robbo's not a Rybka clone - very likely it is - I'm just pointing out that it is possible for free, open source programs to approach or surpass the level of commercial ones.
On another note, for anyone interested I ran a quick 12xRR 2 2 tournament today with Rybka 3 32-bit, Stockfish 1.6 JA and RobboLito 0.085g3 w32. Rybka scored 13/24, Stockfish 12/24, and Robbo 11/24. Of course, the time control was very quick and I'm not putting this result forward as a serious test, but it seems that the 3 (or 2) may be close enough to be competitive. An interesting time for computer chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-04 19:08:52)
New feature implemented
This is it... Now everyone can discuss any finished game ! Players & participants of the discussion will be notified by email if they checked the "email notification" option for forums in Preferences.
Feel free to report any bug. Any feedback welcome ! :)
Scott Nichols (2010-01-05 05:06:18)
Poker Software?
This has come up alot recently. I'm sure there are many claims by new programs that tout their analytical ability. Sure they could give you the best statistical move, but could they bluff? I think their play would be predictable and easy to beat. I don't use them and wouldn't trust them. Just one man's opinion, any others?
Nick Burrows (2010-01-05 05:13:56)
Poker Software?
I think they could be very effective at playing lots of low-level sit n go's.
Bad play is easily beaten with a simple system.
They would be useless in mtt's or against good players, where you need more sublety, bluffs & traps based on the observed patterns of your opponents.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-01-07 00:40:28)
Fed Up
I am sick and tired of all this forbidden stuff. Hell everyone here knows who the clone is, if it is a clone. Chess for us is a hobby, for Vas it is his income, but he is gonna have to deal with it, as he is with the cloud idea.
If he has a legal case with certain developments then he should put up or
shut up. This not gonna be popular with all the rybka chess nurds on the Rybka forum, it is just the position I have slowly grown into. Vas has made promises which he cannot/will not honor. So I show him no Honor. I am making reference to all the deleted, hush hush bickering and restrictions of naming suspected Rybka clones.
Wayne
Gino Figlio (2010-01-07 05:51:27)
Fed Up
It does not really matter in my opinion.
Players will always use the best engine.
Players will always prefer the engine that shows consistent improvement version after version.
You just need to find out what engine fits this description on your own.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-08 01:45:23)
Rybka
I understand, I assume & hope that Vasik Rajlich has good reasons to think that RobboLito is a clone, that would be a reason enough to forbid to mention it in the forums dedicated to Rybka IMO... But it is true that if noone can prove it is not a clone & if there is no real reason to think that it actually is a clone, it would be not very "fairplay".
That's why I said I have no opinion on this.
The most surprising thing in all that is that RobboLito is open source. That makes me think that it is not a clone, but who can say it...
Daniel Parmet (2010-01-08 07:53:48)
Fed Up
I think it will all be cleared up in good time. Patience friends.
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2010-01-10 10:53:48)
Accept Draw and resign......
Hi Thibault, I have not tried it for obvious reasons, but what happens when I check Resign and Accetpt Draw at the same time?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-10 15:33:45)
Accept Draw and resign......
:o)
Interesting question... well, I don't know but I'll check the code and give it a try .. to be continued :)
Actually that's a good question, I'll make a change so that one can't check both boxes at the same time.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-01-11 21:33:11)
Fed Up
Howdy Thibault. Clone or no Clone. Technically I am not qualified to check source etc. But I will say this. The evals are very very often identical after checking .
Also, in some brief eng-eng matches, I find that Rybka is stronger, at least for longer timers which would suggest favorable CC play.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-12 07:49:26)
Rybka vs. RobboLito
Hi Wayne, thanks for reporting this! I tested RobboLito as well and I was not totally convinced. In some positions its evals are quite bad IMO... I wouldn't trust it as a unique partner for correspondence chess analysis.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-01-13 01:14:36)
Fed Up
Me neither Thibault, and I dont even use it :) Just trying to get a feel on my own, with all those guys on the R forum reporting all sorts of baloney. The engine I use often as backup is Zappa, I like that program, too bad the programmar has no time from his academic Phd work. Wayne
Don Burden (2010-01-14 18:45:42)
Quote festival, part 6
Ah, beer! The cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems.
Homer Simpson.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-14 19:56:25)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?
... and it happens only sometimes, right? Quite strange.
Do other players experience the same?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-14 19:57:37)
Simpsons
Very good quote & idea :) I'll find some more from the Simpsons!
Nick Burrows (2010-01-14 20:27:42)
Simpsons
"Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try."
"I want to share something with you: The three little sentences that will get you through life. Number 1: Cover for me. Number 2: Oh, good idea, Boss! Number 3: It was like that when I got here."
Daniel Parmet (2010-01-19 20:24:55)
Quote festival, part 6
Simpsons - "Do you know these so called Volunteers don't even get paid!"
Don Groves (2010-01-24 00:36:29)
Problem with auto-refresh in My games ?
I use "pending games" and it happens every time I have only one pending game. Whether it's Poker or Go doesn't matter. Two or more pending games -- it works fine.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-01-24 19:34:39)
Resign before 10th move
Hello HOST,
I didnt know about this forum earlier and posted in the International Chat. I am sorry for that stupid mistake of mine. But the problem which i faced now is this. There is a guy whom i defeated in all 4 meetings where i played vs. him. This poor guy found me yet again and having known by now that he cant beat me, he simply resigned. I have no grievance against him. But in my very first Rapid B tour here at ficgs, i got an advantage of +-1.00 (approx.) vs. a player who simply resigned after my white 10th move. This meant that though I am awarded with a win, yet because my opponent resigned simply instead of playing the 10th move, he denied me earning some elo. That also implies that he saved his elo by simply resigning.
I dont know much above this site as i am pretty new to this. However, i have been already a victim of this sort of activities. For e.g., I could simply resign when i play bad openings and evals dip before 10th move and i can simply save my elo. That means i can simply resign vs. Big Guys as Black and play as Black only vs. weak players.
Just thought to express my views. Rest upto the moderators
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-24 20:18:09)
Resign before 10th move
Hi Kamesh, as I replied in the chat bar, it is not possible to save his elo by resigning before the 10th move, he'll lose the same number of points as if he resign at move 24 or 67. Indeed, the game is not rated for the winner before his 10th move, but if you are stronger than your opponents in this category, you'll gain almost the same number of points anyway. This rule is statistically fair, then this is only a question of time.
Daniel Parmet (2010-01-26 01:01:46)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!
Carlsen mentioned to the media after his game with Shirov that the improvement in the game of 22... Bc3 was taken from a Correspondence game he found. (Carlsen's own old novelty was 22... Be5 where he lost to Shirov). This is at least the third time i've heard Carlsen using correspondence games for his own opening research and I know also Peter Leko does this. How many supergms you think are accessing all the correspondence sites around the world looking at our opening ideas?! Cute thought!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-26 10:42:07)
Kasparov article on computers in chess
A must read...
The end of the article on computers & Poker is interesting too. Not a word on the game of Go, too bad.
I will quote this: "Perhaps chess is the wrong game for the times (Garry Kasparov, 2010)"
Daniel Parmet (2010-01-26 20:50:07)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!
Here is the Shirov-Carlsen game 1/2-1/2 from Corus where Carlsen mentions the improvement of 22... Bc3 came from Corr
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1569959
Here is the Shirov-Carlsen game 1-0 where it was Carlsen's Novelty 22... Be5
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1545366
Someone find the Corr game he refers to?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-27 09:18:36)
Wijk aan Zee 2010
Finally, the tournament is now open again in Wijk aan Zee group A, after that Alexei Shirov won consecutively his first 5 games with a comfortable lead, Vladimir Kramnik finally catched him at 6.5/9 after a win over Magnus Carlsen with Black pieces.
Here is the game :
In group B, A. Giri leads by 6.5/9, in group C, Li Chao leads by 6.5/9 as well.
Don Groves (2010-01-28 05:47:33)
Quote festival, part 6
Isn't it time for a fresh quote thread. This is starting to require too much scrolling...
Ulrich Imbeck (2010-01-28 23:21:53)
Go chinese rules : should pass count?
If one player passes and the other places a stone, the game goes on.
Zholy Zhou (2010-01-29 03:22:40)
make cool 3D flash banners for website
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Lazaro Munoz (2010-01-29 06:05:09)
Piece Values in Big Chess
I am amazed at the number of opponents that are still applying piece value from regular chess in big chess.
I made some regression analysis based on what we value in regular chess in terms of mobility and applied to big chess. Using the pawn and knight as the standard since in both games 3 pawns will probably beat a knight (if they are separated far enough). I assigned the pawn the value of 1 and and knight a value of 3 and extrapolated variables that we seem to use in valuing the other pieces such as number of squares it can reach, and penalty for being stuck on the same color.
I got the following values:
Pawn=1
Knight=3
Bishop=7 **
Rook=9
Queen=16
** The bishop value changes by pairs available, for example 4 white square bishops don't even come close to value 2 white squares and 2 black squares bishops so this is best value but it can go down to 6 or even 5 as pairs are lost.
Interesting, just like in chess a rook+bishop almost equals a queen and two rooks beat a queen. And a queen equals the value of the pawns (ok similar).
I still find opponents who exchange bishops for knights with impunity, not knowing the true values of the pieces.
I notice that nobody has ever mentioned this. I hope I did not give out some deep secret.
Of course you mileage may vary.
--laz
Daniel Parmet (2010-01-29 15:52:43)
Quote festival, part 6
"Chess is stupid. I'm a war historian. You never have all the facts in life or real war as in chess. Napoleon didn't waste his time on chess. Napoleon knew luck was more important than any genius. Chess hasn't been played since IBM solved it back in 2000 when Kas- err Karm I mean Kapov couldn't... beat it. No human has ever even drawn a computer since that match when chess was solved." - Dave Daring
Thibault de Vassal (2010-01-30 01:58:20)
Go chinese rules : should pass count?
Extract from the tournament pages : "Scoring method is area scoring with chinese counting. Positional superko rule applies, it's impossible to repeat a previous board position."
I must admit that I have some difficulties to perfectly understand all this in english... so does it mean that passing never changes the score in FICGS games, or the contrary ? (anyway thanks again for helping)
Don Groves (2010-01-30 05:04:58)
Go chinese rules : should pass count?
Thanks, Svante Carl, for the excellent interpretation. I now understand it for the first time ;-)
Scott Nichols (2010-01-31 01:04:06)
1st team tournament : games & results !
Hello everyone! I thought it was time for an update to our first team tournament. I will give my totally (doesn't mean a thing) IMHO the outcome here. After looking at all the unfinished game positions, consulting the stars, and taking into account there is a full moon tonight...here is what I think will be the first four teams. Tied for third will be---The Dark Knights & The Yellow-Blue Warriors! One point ahead of them will be----The Knights who say "Ni"!, give them a hand. And finally, a full two points ahead of the field is the winners-----FSF En Passant!! Of course, like I said this is just my humble opinion. Seriously, one game to watch is #32188 between two up and coming players who just broke over 2300 each and still climbing, Boehme vs Hladky.
Vjacheslav Perevozchikov (2010-01-31 03:50:01)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!
1) Ruppel,Frank (2144) - Zwicker,Thomas (2186) [B33]
GER-ch36 V7 email GER email, 29.03.2004, 0-1
2) Vidalina,Franjo (2252) - Kabachev,Andrey (2184)
WC-2006-F-00005 LSS, 12.09.2007, 0-1
3) Klatt,Otto (2470) - Pivinsky,Evgeny Grigorievich (2457) [B33]
Baltic Sea tt8 ICCF webserver, 01.03.2008, 1/2
IMO Magnus meant the game #2 ;)
Lazaro Munoz (2010-01-31 11:54:48)
SuperGMs watch Corr?!
The Vidalina-Kabachev games goes:
[Event "WC-2006-F-00005"]
[Site "LSS"]
[Date "2007.9.12"]
[Round ""]
[White "Vidalina, Franjo"]
[Black "Kabachev, Andrey"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco ""]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5
a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.c4
f5 14.O-O O-O 15.Qh5 Rb8 16.exf5 e4 17.Rae1 Bb7 18.Qg4 Rfe8 19.cxb5
d5 20.bxa6 Bc6 21.b3 Kh8 22.Nc2 Bc3 23.Be2 Qf6 24.Rd1 Rg8 25.Qf4
d4 26.Bc4 d3 27.Ne1 Be5 28.Qe3 Rg5 29.g3 Rxf5 30.Ng2 Rg8 31.Rc1
Bd4 32.Qd2 Rf3 33.Rce1 Rgxg3 0-1
Interestingly Shirov played 23. Qh3 in his game. Rybka thought the move absolutely sucked and would have responded with the material grab: 23...Bxe1 24. Rxe1 Qc5 25. Bf1 Qxc2 giving it +0.11. It thought that white was much better before 23. Qh3 with the simple 23. Be2 (as was played by Vidalina).
Vidalina may have resigned prematurely since after 34. hxg3 Rxg3 35. Re3, Black is better and has some attacking chances there does not seem to be knock-out move.
Ulrich Imbeck (2010-02-02 00:17:32)
33PointInvasion
I'll use this thread for further discussion
http://senseis.xmp.net/?33PointInvasion
Lazaro Munoz (2010-02-03 14:39:33)
GO: Game 32800
There is a game Shengxian-Xiangren, rotated a bit:
(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]
GN[s2005-08-09tc]
PW[Huang Xiangren]WR[4p]
PB[Lin Shengxian]BR[7p]
EV[Guoshou (Taiwan), 1st]RO[League]
DT[2005-08-09]
KM[6.5]
RE[W+10.5]
T[Region:Taiwan];B[od];W[dp];B[pq];W[po]
;B[ed];W[qq];B[qk];W[pr];B[oq];W[or]
;B[qp];W[pp];B[nq];W[rq];B[qd];W[kc]
;B[ic];W[gc];B[eb];W[ib];B[hb];W[ob]
;B[jb];W[pc];B[pd];W[kb];B[ie];W[nc]
;B[qb];W[dc];B[ec];W[ce];B[cg];W[dd]
;B[ef];W[db];B[cn];W[fp];B[en];W[gn]
;B[jp];W[fl];B[dl];W[co];B[bn];W[hp]
;B[no];W[qi];B[oj];W[qc];B[rc];W[rb]
;B[sb];W[oh];B[ra];W[nd];B[ne];W[me]
;B[nf];W[mh];B[lg];W[id];B[hd];W[jd]
;B[hc];W[le];B[ki];W[nj];B[nk];W[mg]
;B[gm];W[mj];B[bf];W[be];B[hm];W[hk]
;B[jl];W[ei];B[ci];W[hh];B[ii];W[hi]
;B[ij];W[eg];B[cq];W[dq];B[bp];W[cr]
;B[br];W[cp];B[bq];W[jq];B[kq];W[iq]
;B[qn];W[qo];B[pn];W[qg];B[kr];W[mk]
;B[ok];W[re];B[pb];W[nr];B[oo];W[rn]
;B[rm];W[ro];B[ph];W[pg];B[pi];W[qh]
;B[og];W[mf];B[dr];W[er];B[cs];W[ff]
;B[ml];W[ee];B[gd];W[cj];B[bj];W[ck]
;B[bk];W[cl];B[el];W[ek];B[di];W[dh]
;B[df];W[ch];B[bh];W[bl];B[ak];W[dj]
;B[bi];W[de];B[dg];W[eh];B[da];W[ca]
;B[ea];W[bb];B[gk];W[gl];B[fm];W[hj]
;B[hl];W[fk];B[pf];W[rj];B[rk];W[oc]
;B[rd];W[oi];B[pj];W[qf];B[qe];W[sf]
;B[is];W[hr];B[io];W[kk];B[ll];W[ik]
;B[jk];W[kj];B[jj];W[mr];B[gg];W[fe]
;B[hf];W[bg];B[ag];W[cf];B[bg];W[bo]
;B[al];W[ao];B[es];W[fr];B[mq];W[hn]
;B[in];W[ka];B[eo];W[ep];B[sj];W[si]
;B[qj];W[sk];B[sl];W[rg];B[je];W[jc]
;B[ia];W[lr];B[lq];W[gh];B[kl];W[li]
;B[lk];W[lj];B[lh];W[ni];B[jh];W[ng]
;B[of];W[kf];B[bm];W[dk];B[sj];W[ri]
;B[sd];W[se];B[oa];W[na];B[pa];W[dm]
;B[em];W[dn];B[ai];W[il];B[im];W[fd]
;B[fc];W[ja];B[ib];W[fs];B[ds];W[ke]
;B[fg];W[fh];B[go];W[ho];B[fo];W[gp]
;B[ls];W[ms];B[ks];W[op];B[np];W[ih]
;B[sn];W[so];B[ap];W[jg];B[kh];W[hs]
;B[ae];W[ad];B[ip];W[ir];B[js];W[hg]
;B[gf];W[if];B[he];W[jf];B[af];W[sk]
;B[bd];W[ac];B[sj];W[sm];B[sk];W[sn])
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2010-02-03 18:25:37)
Go chinese rules: should pass count?
Pass stones are irrelevant for area counting, so I think that you should not even mention them. It would only cause confusion.
Pass stones and last move compensation are methods to reconcile area and territory scoring. Last move compensation has another merit: in area scoring, the usually possible results always differ by two points, because when a point changes ownership, it is a loss of one point for one and a gain of one point for the other player. Last move compensation "sharpens" the possible results, and makes scoring very similar to territory scoring.
However, this also is not necessary, so, at least as long as you don't fully understand this yourself, I would advise to keep simple area scoring and not mention anything else.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-05 21:48:48)
Advanced games : Problems & solutions
Hi all,
There's a real problem with the advanced games so far, anyone who tested it lost on time at least once without having played and/or won a game because his opponent forgot to play or to retire from the waiting list.
The challenges partly solves the problem as the program verifies if both players are connected to the server (also I added some warning messages explaining how to use the advanced games) but it seems it is far to be enough.....
Anyway I agree that a web interface is not really designed to such games, particularly when it is hard to find an opponent for these games (which is probably the main problem).
Whatever the way, both opponents should probably be able to discuss just before their game in the chat bar, so one solution would be to verify if the players wrote (or even posted a kind of "start" message) in the chat bar during the last few minutes, it would be a way to be "SURE" that both players are ready to play, even if I'm not sure that it would be enough again.
In my opinion, no more advanced game should start if both opponents did not confirm their presence to the other player in the chat bar.
Any opinion on this ? Any other idea to solve this ?
Thanks in advance and sorry again to all players who experienced this.
Henri-Louis Muller (2010-02-08 09:19:50)
temps de reflexion !
j'ai l'impression que certaines pendules de mes adversaires fonctionnent à l'envers. Hier un joueur qui n'a plus répondu depuis plus de 3 semaines, avait encore 3 jours de disponibles . Ce jour, le lendemain donc, sa pendule était remontée à 4 jours ( au lieu de 2 !!) !!! Dröle de décompte. Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà constaté de tels faits ??
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-09 15:46:15)
Clock not running
Hi Nigel, I just made the test (loaded the page two consecutive times).. The clocks work fine !
Garvin Gray (2010-02-09 16:08:18)
Advanced games : Problems & solutions
An idea might be set a time period that challenges are valid for ie after a person sends out challenges or joins the waiting list, if no one has accepted inside a certain time period (say 15 minutes) the challenge automatically expires.
If the challenger wants to keep their challenge going, they have to re-send, helping to ensure that they are online, or at least near the computer.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-09 18:55:17)
Vocal message
A new small improvement, now FICGS should announce (in the pop up window) the start of a new advanced game with a vocal message. This will not totally solve the problem, but it gives some more chances to not miss the start of a game.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-10 23:33:26)
Download RobboLito
Here is the link to download RobboLito at FICGS, I'll add Igorrit & Ippolit when I'll find some time...
http://www.ficgs.com/Download-RobboLito-0085g3-f5841.html
Dinesh De Silva (2010-02-14 07:06:24)
Accept Draw and resign......
It's an act of confused consciousness, which might be made out of generosity or curiosity, but which ultimately leads to a loss of half a point for oneslf plus a loss of rating points for oneself which through the law of 'a reaction for every action' guarantees the opponent some gains, thereby making the initial decision maker a "bad clicker!".
Peter Unger (2010-02-18 16:27:33)
implementation of the XFCC protocol
Is FICGS compatible with the XFCC protocol? I ask because Aquarium 2010 update 4.03 has implemented.
see: http://www.chesscafe.com/chessok/chessok.htm
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-18 17:36:46)
implementation of the XFCC protocol
Hi Peter, no it isn't and the question is always "should it be"...
A past discussion on this :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=7973
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2010-02-21 02:51:44)
Learning Go
Recently, someone asked how to learn Go, or who would teach Go, on the side bar chat. The question and my answer has been removed from there, so I'll post some hints here.
First, to learn the rules, I would recommend "The Interactive Way to Go" at http://playgo.to/iwtg/en
To learn playing, play as much as possible, first on small boards (9x9), then going to bigger ones (13x13, 19x19) when you feel that you can keep track of the game there. Play with proper handicaps to keep the game even and improve your feeling for the board.
Teaching can take the form of simple game reviews, where the stronger player analyzes a single game and shows the weakest points and how to correct them; the "Go Teaching Ladder" organizes a lot of such reviews (http://gtl.xmp.net). It can also be done in interactive sessions; these require either face to face contact or a "live" server, though (e.g. KGS at http://gokgs.com). It is generally thought that the teacher should be about 5 stones stronger than the pupil.
Especially in the beginning, the advice is to play, play, play, and not be too fixated on ranks or winning percentages.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-02-22 17:15:31)
Rating calculation
Maybe this will help: a simplification of the involved equation.
New elo= (a) x elo + (TER opponents avg.)/a
So you see a new rating is based on elo and ter. The variables (a) & (b) are simplified to remove non elo numberical values so that the expression is easier to see.
Hope this helps
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-22 23:23:05)
E-point tournament
Yes, it would be great of course and actually it was implemented a few years ago, but there was no players enough with Epoints... Maybe we could envisage it again soon.
Ulrich Imbeck (2010-02-23 01:59:54)
Learning Go
http://www.goproblems.com/ seems to be nice.
Garvin Gray (2010-02-24 11:21:51)
Ficgs clock setting
Hello Thibault,
The ficgs clock seems to be 'out' by ten minutes ie it is always ten minutes in front. If it is 10 past the hour by my clock, the ficgs clock will say it is 20 past. This happens regardless of what time of day it is.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Pablo Schmid (2010-02-24 18:46:11)
Conditional moves
Hello Thibault, I don't know if that proposition has been made in the past, but there are somes servers that use conditionnal moves, it's an useful tool to win time for both players on forced moves. Do you think it would be possible to put that fonction in ficgs?
Je profite au passage pour te demander ce que tu penses finalement du règlement sur 3 fois la même position.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-24 21:50:20)
Conditional moves
Conditional moves have been discussed several times and mainly in the following discussion where I tried to explain the main reasons why I'm not favorable to this :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=4360
About the threefold repetition rule (situational vs. positional), there is something to fix indeed but I can't do it right now, I'm just doing all that I can to have a large broadband at home, which is my priority for 10 years now... but that's just hell!
Hannes Rada (2010-02-24 22:09:15)
Conditionnal moves
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In many forced sequences, only one side may take advantage of conditional moves to save time, that's not fair and that's the point according to me
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Thibault, that was your argument against conditionals almost 2 years ago.
However I did not understand and still do not understand this explanation.
I my opinion both players benefit from time saving conditionals.
However maybe you could add an option under player's preferences - "conditionals yes or no" and if both players agree than conditionals could be switchend on for that games.
FICGS is really a great server offering so many different features, other server don't, but missing conditionals is in my opinion a major deficit of this server.
(Some minor things could also be improved)
Iouri Basiliev (2010-02-25 10:55:16)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)
Could someone explain to me the reason to play a game for monthes, when there is mate in 7 moves for example? Any engine will found it in a seconds. Any player above 1200 elo understand immediately...
Hannes Rada (2010-02-25 13:50:31)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)
Dear Iouri
This is the so called Dead Man Defense(DMD) ....
There are various reasons to play that defense:
1.) Your opponent does not like you
2.) Your opponent does not find the 'resign checkbox'
3.) Your opponent does not want to risk his rating and therefore delays his loss until the next rating calculation period
4.) In good old correspondenc chess times, a player had to write down the words 'I resign' on a postcard - nowadays modern technolgy helps a lot - the player has only to tick a 'resign checkbox' and click a 'send-button' - but this seems task seems still to hard ....
Benjamin Block (2010-02-25 14:07:21)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)
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5.)Your opponent want you to lose on time. You maybe stop playing because it is too boring.
6.)Your opponent want you to lose on a blunder.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-02-25 14:56:37)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)
I couldn't say it better than you guys :)
Hi Iouri, if you want to stop the game, you may use the rule 11.5 : You may call the referee a first time, after one month, just call the referee again & the game should be adjudicated.
"11. 5. Adjudications
In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious.
If time control is superior to 1 day and if a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated. An analysis submitted by a player should contain sufficient information so that no doubt is possible. This may include a sequence of moves, but in some circumstances it may be sufficient to claim a win or a draw on the basis of material or positional advantage. Final decision belongs to referee."
Lazaro Munoz (2010-02-26 05:07:19)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)
Hannes, you forgot the most important reason for the DMD, Dead Men make no moves! Your opponent is hoping you will kick the bucket before he runs out of time. In some correspondence organization does not work since death only brings on an adjudication, and with a mate in 7, you will be the winner before grass begins to grow over your opponent.
Garvin Gray (2010-02-26 19:13:30)
mate in N moves. Game is going on :)
I thought it was a rule on this site that as soon as a tablebase win appears it can be claimed.
I certainly remember this being discussed in the forum and being agreed to.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-03 15:01:34)
Conditionnal moves
Hi Hannes (sorry for the delay).
Well players may save time thanks to conditional moves, but not at the same time and nothing guarantees that it will not be at the advantage of one player only during a particular game. Anyway, a conditional field exists in the database so there is some hope to see it one day, but it will be a big & complex work to make it coherent for the different games. Not for these months as there are other priorities, I'm afraid :/
But feel free to mention the other minor improvements, if I can do it within minutes, it will be done.
Garvin Gray (2010-03-03 15:32:09)
Conditional moves
I have an improvement for this thread. Fix up the spelling of the title :P
Hannes Rada (2010-03-03 18:54:05)
Conditionnal moves
Okay Thibault, I don't want to put pressure on you regarding the conditionals, or to take up to much of your time.
But here is one minor improvement (in my opinion).
Can the tournament pages show first the chess notation and then the chess diagram ? It is in my opinion more logic do present it in this way.
What do you think ?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-06 18:29:04)
Help : Tablebases, Rybka 3
Hi Wayne, very sorry about this :/
So you use Aquarium, right? I don't know anything about it but sure you should find help quickly on Rybka forum...
Just take your time and come back at your best ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-07 20:35:54)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !
Hello all...
As you may know, I built the major part of FICGS with a 33 kbps (actually more looking like a 5 to 8 kbps) broadband which is very very slow, even slower than the prehistorical modems... Internet is definitely not a priority in the french campaign (by the way, looks like nothing is not a priority anymore in the french campaign)
Since today, I've got 2 Mbps anyway (thanks to WiMax and Powerline technologies), which means several things :
- Regular freestyle cups (finally !)
- New improvements more regularly.
- I can play advanced chess :)
After a few days of vacation, I should be more active on the server, definitely :)
Dan Rotaru (2010-03-07 21:34:48)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !
Hi Thibault:
This is great news indeed. I can imagine being on the slow side of an Internet connection for such a long time :-(.
Cheers
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-07 21:53:47)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !
Yes, the most funny is that it's the main reason why I tried to play correspondence chess, cause I couldn't play on most servers without losing on time because of this **** broadband :/
Daniel Parmet (2010-03-08 06:41:29)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !
this is already my favorite place to play as is... I can't imagine how much better it will be once you start changes from this news!
Lazaro Munoz (2010-03-09 18:46:17)
Great day for FICGS (and for me :)) !
Another definition for campaign is military, and describe a series of battles with a common aim. Such as Hitler's campaign into Russia (which was a dismal failure in the end).
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-12 18:38:47)
Poker Min Bid
In some cases I guess that there is no other choice than to bet less than the big or small blind !?
Even if players have no reason to do that, I preferred to offer the choice... maybe I was wrong, maybe it will be changed, not a big deal IMO.
Ralph Deline (2010-03-12 19:36:04)
Rating calculation
Hi Thibault,
Thanks for your earlier explanation. I wanted to respond sooner but then when I was at the FICGS site, I saw another player, also confused about his chess rating, questioning you about it so I threw in my two cents. In my situation, my opponent was rated about 80 points higher so when I drew, I thought I would actually go up in ratings points instead of down. That is still confusing to me.
Maybe my age is catching up with me, but for fifty years or more, using the formula for establishing ratings in Canada, I was always under the impression that your score and your opponents ratings, with a bit of math thrown in, determined your rating. I know at one time it was possible to win a tournament and lose rating points but I believe that was corrected about a decade or so ago. I wasn't playing for over a decade so I'm not certain on dates.
However, let me acknowledge the fact that I understand what you are saying, play less, win more, and your rating will improve. But I still have a hurdle to overcome. When a lower rated player ties with a highed rated player, regardless of colour, why does he get penalized instead of rewarded for achieving a result that is performing above his present rating? It doesn't seem logical.
You are probably busy and I've taken enough of your time. I don't think I will understand any explanation, you know, can't teach an old dog new tricks, so you don't have to try to explain any further. I just wanted my voice to be heard.
I have had three gross blunders in the last half year so maybe I am playing too many games. I hate to do it, but maybe I will try playing less.
Thanks for listening.
Ralph
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2010-03-13 00:09:43)
Poker Min Bid
Actually, since this is heads-up, one player is always small blind, the other big blind. If the small blind is 1, and the big blind 2, that means that this amount is already in the pot when the players get their hole cards. It is then still the first betting round, so the small blind can then "complete" for 1 (so that his bet in this betting round is now 2), or raise to at least double the big blind. See No-Limit Rules: http://www.pokerlistings.com/texas-holdem-betting-rules
Strategically, the bets should always be seen in relation to the current potsize. This follows from the calculation of odds and outs. It cannot be said that you should at least always bet potsize.
Svante Carl von Erichsen (2010-03-13 11:26:41)
Poker Min Bid
Yes, we agree there; the situation I was describing is the only in which only a single chip would be transferred to the pot. Minimum bet is always a big blind. Minimum raise is always the size of the previous bet of the betting round.
Garvin Gray (2010-03-12 05:02:35)
Poker Min Bid
Having watched quite a few poker tournaments on TV, I have seen quite a few instances where players have been told that the minimum bid is a certain amount. This is usually the amount of the big blind.
I think this change would speed up some of the games and does make sense, to me at least.
Lazaro Munoz (2010-03-13 16:18:17)
English translation
Not to nitpick, but I have seen a lot of references to "inferior" or "superior" when specify ratings or rate of play. In English "inferior" or "superior" are measures of "quality" not "quantity". In English we do not that a rating or rate of play is inferior to another instead we say that it is "less than" or "greater than" depending on whether the first item is larger than second.
If you told a man that his height was "less than" yours he might be slighted but might accept the truth, if it is true; however if you told him that his height was "inferior" to yours, you better get ready to be punched in the face or more likely, if his height really was "less than" yours, be ready to be kicked in the groin area.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-03-13 19:38:12)
Rating calculation
Hello,
Though i agree that my Rating is calculated on the basis of my opponent's TER in the previous tour plus my present rating, i want to bring on record certain facts, just to check if there is some error.
Rating after 1st March update = 2126
Games won after 1st March, in previous tours, where my TER is lower than the opponents :-
1) Rapid B 000132 (Game# 37866)
2) Rapid B 000137 (Game# 39182)
3) Rapid B 000137 (Game# 39186 - less than 10 moves, so no points for me)
4) Rapid B 000140 (Game# 39605)
Games drawn after 1 March, from the previous tour, where my opponent has better TER than me:-
1) Rapid B 000142 (Game# 40050)
Now, the detailed stats:-
First thing happened is, i drew a game from the previous tour on 1st March itself, i.e. Game# 40050 stated above. What i got is, lost my rating by 12 points. That means (2126-12 = 2114)
I gained 9 points from a draw in the Rapid M tour, which means 2114+9 = 2123
Excluding game at S.No.3 above where the moves are less than 10, i won the remaining three and i got 0 points from three wins. My substantial rise in rating afterwards is detrimental to me and my TER in that particular tour is no consideration at all is the moot question, because, at least i felt like i deserve a single point from each win i secured :)
However, if i missed something, i regret sincerely and tender and unconditional apology :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-13 21:24:37)
Poker Min Bid
Well, it seems that I often like to change well established rules, sorry :) .. I'm not sure if this change is necessary or not, I understand that "official" holdem no-limit rules have been designed to speed up the game but I quite like to play with the current FICGS rules.
Do you all think that it should be changed for the ruleset mentioned by Svante Carl?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-13 21:43:04)
Rating calculation
You have to make the difference between ratings updated in real time (like advanced chess ratings) & the FICGS correspondence chess rating calculation, the idea of those ratings updated every 2 months is to avoid peaks, consequently when you win, draw or lose three games after the last rating calculation, your future rating does not take account of the first result THEN the second one THEN the third one, it is actually completely recalculated by taking account of all results at the same time, so you DO NOT win or lose points AFTER EACH result, your performance is recalculated according to the formula explained in the rules & that looks like the french FIDE rating calculation. One thing that explains "strange" variations after 2 or 3 results only is that the rating calculation is just more accurate when you have many results & particularly when your score is near 50%.
That should answer to the discussions I had with Kamesh & Ralph, but maybe my explanations are not so clear, sorry about that again.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-13 21:57:01)
Anatoly Karpov next FIDE president ?
The former chess world champion Anatoly Karpov announced his candidature to become the next FIDE president, surely it would be a first step to change the negative image of FIDE in the world and to attract new sponsors... It may be something more than to change a visage for FIDE. What do you think ?
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6179
Daniel Parmet (2010-03-14 21:31:47)
Poker Min Bid
If its not much trouble, then I definitely think it should be changed. It would speed the games up a little too.
If its trouble, I say forget it. I don't know what kind of time commitment it takes for you to make this change.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-16 10:37:01)
Interview with E. Kotlyanskiy
Congrats again to Edward Kotlyanskiy, new FICGS chess champion after beating Xavier Pichelin (2577) in the 12 games final match of the 3rd cycle.
Edward kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his match and correspondence chess in general :
_________________________
> Hi Edward, first of all congratulations for winning this 12 games match against the former FICGS chess champion, Xavier Pichelin. You had to score at least one point more than your opponent, what was your strategy when the games started?
Knowing that I had to score at least +1 against Xavier, I had to try to get the games into complex positions where there are many options to play for both sides. At the point when the games started, I was the underdog to Xavier (mainly due to the face that I was rated about 200 points lower). In part, I think that one of the reasons why Xavier allowed the games to reach such complex positions is due to the fact that his rating was undoubtedly higher than mine and therefore he probably assumed that he could “outplay” me. Although this was simultaneously a brave and admirable choice, I think an option that many other players would have pursued would have been to play “drawish” lines with the hope of having all of the games ending in draws. I have great respect for Xavier due to the fact that he didn't choose such a path and allowed us to put on a hard fought show that was worth watching.
> What could you say on the hot moments of the match?
The first game in which I thought I had very good chances to win was game 34739. In this game (particularly on move 18) Xavier played the move Nb8?? Looking back at the move, I realized that the game was lost for him. I assumed that Xavier probably underestimated the threat of f5. There were no good responses and/or countermeasures for the move f5. For example, if 19) gxf5, I have 20) Nxh5 Nc6 21) Rc3! Bxh4 (Qd8 was also possible) 22) Qf4 Be7 23) g4! His king is just clearly caught in the attack! 19) exf5 also fails to 20) e6 f6 (trying to keep the king safe) 21) Bxh5!! gxh5 22) Nc6 Rc3 and therefore it’s easy to see that it is just a matter of time. Xavier did try something better although even that failed due to some nice moves. I believe that 21) g7 came as a surprise to Xavier (or that at least he hadn't seen this move when playing Nb8). After Nxh5 (another neat move), another line that I thought Xavier would enter (which is also losing) is 22) Qxc2 23) Qxc2 Rxc2 24) Nf6+! Bxf6 25) exf6. Clearly my pawns are just too strong! Knowing that I am winning after the mentioned alternatives, the other games (although I won three others) were just necessary to hold without falling for any tactics/tricks.
A second game I want to briefly comment on is game 34729. I played a very nice (although I am not sure if it is winning just yet) move known as 17.a4! It was a very nice way to open the position on both of our kings. In all honesty, the move that I think was winning in this situation 25) Rd3, I did not even consider too highly until the position reached that very move. After a relatively short analysis, I was indeed pleasantly surprised to see that; overall, it was completely winning for me.
> What could you say on the advantages and inconveniences of this 12 games match format played at a quite fast time control?
From the days when I first starting playing correspondence chess, I have always been accustomed to making moves rather quickly. In fact, when I first started playing, in some games I made moves within 10 minutes of looking at the position. Although I take a lot more time to analyze now-a-days, I still consider the speed of my play to be relatively faster compared to most other correspondence players. Playing 12 games simultaneously can have drawbacks as not having enough time to properly analyze; however, I didn't have such a problem. With the exception of a few games that I was playing on IECG at the start of the FICGS Championship, the 12 game series was my main concern.
> Without revealing your secrets, how would you define modern correspondence chess as a centaur (playing with chess engines)?
These days, it is impossible to play correspondence chess on a high level without consulting the engine. It is also unlikely that one can achieve a lot of success just by following the engine blindly (even after a long analysis). Personally, I know that some of my friends believe that in correspondence chess you are just following the engine but I believe that most “high level” correspondence players know that it just doesn't work that way.
In my opinion, one of the most important skills that a correspondence player should have is having some sense of where the engine he is analyzing with is faulty. To give a well known example, many people know that there are certain endgame positions that an engine alone can't be trusted in (a simple case is the wrong color bishop). In essence, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of whatever engine you are analyzing with is critical to playing correspondence chess at a “high level”.
> Why did you choose to play correspondence chess, do you play OTB (over the board) chess as well?
Before starting correspondence chess, I played OTB chess for quite a few years. When my schedule became busy, I realized that I wouldn't have much time to play OTB in clubs. I came across correspondence chess and got hooked on it very quickly. Also, I began to enjoy more of the subtleties of the game; something that is just lacking in OTB blitz games. I imagine that some people prefer to play practical chess (OTB) in which a move order wouldn't make much of a difference; however, I guess I am a perfectionist and believe the game should be played on as high of a level as possible.
> How many correspondence games do you usually play at the same time (on different chess servers or by email)? Would you say that it is an addiction?
Usually, I played about 5 to 10 games on average on all different sites. I did play via email on IECC but wasn't fond of playing by email therefore I went back to server only sites (IECG, FICGS, Schemingmind).
I can definitely say that correspondence chess is an addiction. All too often, I catch myself analyzing games when I really should be doing something much more time sensitive. Well, at least I can say that this addiction paid off in that I am the new FICGS champion!
> Are you interested in other games?
As far as board games go, chess is primarily the only game I play. At times I do play games like monopoly and scrabble with my friends. Another interest that I have is billiards.
> The next challenger for the FICGS chess champion title is SM Eros Riccio (winner of several PlayChess PAL freestyle tournaments). Do you think that you'll play him? What does this perspective inspire in you?
I can't wait to play Eros! I believe that he would be my toughest opponent yet (although I have played GM Leitão, Rafael (fide elo: 2619) and managed to draw). Eros is like an unstoppable juggernaut in corr chess. That said, I look forward to our games and I am certain that they will simultaneously be challenging and entertaining.
> Thanks and best of luck in your future games!
Iouri Basiliev (2010-03-17 11:33:52)
1st team tournament : games & results !
Thibault, you can resign in the game 32204 :) This is 6p Nalimov's TB.
Yellow-Blue Warriors geting 1 extra match point! Could someone udate the tournament status?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-17 14:42:57)
1st team tournament : games & results !
Hi Iouri... Well, my old computer can't even see it (just realized that modern computers are about 40x faster :/) , but I just checked the shredder bases online, this is checkmate in 21 moves indeed. It was predictable anyway :) .. I just resigned.
Table 1 : 4 unfinished games remaining (Iouri leading)
Table 2 : 0 unfinished games remaining (Volker won)
Table 3 : 2 unfinished games remaining (Ostap leading)
Table 4 : 0 unfinished games remaining (Yura won)
One thing is sure already, our yellow-blue chessfriends did it very well !
So...
"Team 1" - "Team 2" : points (score)
"Ni" - "FSF" : FSF leads by 1 point
"Ni" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Happy" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Ni" - "YB" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Ni" - "No" : 2-0 (leads by 2 points)
"FSF" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"FSF" - "Happy" : FSF leads by 1 point
"FSF" - "YB" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"FSF" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (leads by 3 points)
"FSF" - "No" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "Happy" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Dark" - "YB" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
"Dark" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "No" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Happy" - "YB" : YB leads by 1 point
"Happy" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Happy" - "No" : 2-0 (3-1)
"YB" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (2.5-0.5)
"YB" - "No : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Ghost" - "No" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
Total :
Knights who say Ni : 8 points (-)
FSF en passant : 7 points (++)
Dark knights : 8 points
Happy pawn : 4 pawns (--)
Yellow Blue warriors : 7 points (+)
Ghost knights : 0 points
Our team king (knights with no name) : 2 points
(+) meaning : leads in a match yet, (-) meaning : is leaded in a match yet
Nothing is decided yet... but it looks like Yellow-Blue have good chances, which is particularly impressive with a player who made 0/6 !
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-20 22:31:07)
Blitz time controls
It makes sense... but I'm still not sure what to think about it. Any opinions?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-21 01:13:54)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
Dear chessfriends, the next FICGS chess freestyle cup waiting list is open until april 3. This 6 rounds swiss tournament will start on april 3, 13:00 server time (first three rounds, every 2 hours) and on april 10, 13:00 server time (last three rounds, every 2 hours). Prize is 100% of the entry fees in E-Points + 100 E-Points. FIDE GM & IM, FICGS / ICCF GM, SM & IM are invited to enter the waiting list for free, please just send a message to webmaster through My account page to register.
To enter the waiting list :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=entry_tournament&tournament=ficgs_chess_cup
Feel free to reply here if you have any suggestions, I hope that this format (2 consecutive saturdays, 3 rounds per day) will be ok for the most !
Garvin Gray (2010-03-19 08:34:38)
Blitz time controls
Hello all,
I was wondering what others thought about this. I have just finished a match with Scott Nichols at blitz time controls ie 40 moves in 2 hours followed by 40 moves in 2 hours etc.
In my opinion, the second time period would be improved if it was 20 moves in 1 hour. The classical time control for the last 100 years or so has been 40 moves in (insert time here) followed by 20 moves in (insert time here).
In my match with Scott, it was quite common for the games to go only 50 moves or so, which meant we had 2 hours available for just ten moves or so.
Garvin Gray (2010-03-22 09:16:20)
Blitz time controls
Looks like there are no protests or 'againsts' to my suggestion :)
Scott Nichols (2010-03-22 14:34:02)
Blitz time controls
In the European Individual Ch. just finished, the time controls were 90 minutes for 40 moves, and 30 minutes for the rest of the game with all moves starting from move one having an increment of 30 seconds per move. I like the "game in xx minutes" after the first time control. The way it is, if an ending is complicated at all the game can drag on for hours and hours.
Garvin Gray (2010-03-22 14:42:00)
Blitz time controls
The Classical time controls now being used are
1) 40 moves in 2 hours, 20 moves in 1 hour followed by 15 mins + 30 seconds.
Also used sometimes is 2)
40 moves in 100 mins, 20 moves in 50 mins fb 15 mins, all with a 30 second increment from move one.
I think the second time control would be better here as it guarantees that each player has some time to make their move, considering slow internet connections and technical issues.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-03-23 00:57:35)
blitz time control
I See no objection to Garvin Grey suggestion. Wayne
Garvin Gray (2010-03-24 15:37:26)
Blitz time controls
Are there any further opinions on this matter?
William Taylor (2010-03-24 18:33:18)
Blitz time controls
No objection from me either.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-24 19:30:09)
Blitz time controls
My point (if there's one) is that longer games like the current time control probably mean games of a better quality, the blitz time control is really long actually... so why not playing the lightning time control if you want faster games ? By the way there's no bad surprise with an increment at every move.
Garvin Gray (2010-03-25 04:29:33)
Blitz time controls
Hello Thibault,
I am not asking for a significantly shorter time control. I am not proposing or asking for a shorter time control for moves 1-40. Moves 1 to 40 can stay at 40 moves in 2 hrs if you wish.
My request is for a change to the second time control from the current 40 moves in 2 hrs to 20 moves in 1 hr continuous.
Following others comments, I used examples of the time controls for major tournaments.
As I said in my first post, In my match with Scott, it was quite common for the games to go only 50 moves or so, which meant we had 2 hours available for just ten moves or so.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-25 10:57:09)
Blitz time controls
... that is not easy to predict.
Anyway, what about this :
- 20 moves / 1 hour time control all game long
- 40 moves / 2 hours, then 20 moves / 1 hour
I would even prefer the first one that is easier to read but IMO it is not so interesting. The 40 moves / 2 hours has the advantage to offer the possibility to explore very deeply the most interesting positions encountered...
Garvin Gray (2010-03-25 17:55:03)
Blitz time controls
Number 2 for me, which was my very first proposal :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-26 15:40:02)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
Maybe I'll change that next time... The current rules are "If several players obtain the best score and the best Sonnenborn-Berger, they will share the prize.", in other words: The winner takes it all.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-28 03:55:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
Well, 6 rounds is quite few... so it may be useful IMO. But I'm not sure which tie break is best in this case.
Josef Riha (2010-03-29 08:53:24)
Immediate start of tournaments
Hello Thibault, is it possible to start a tournament immediately when more then one player has signed in? At playchess.de it works very well.
Benoit Perceval (2010-03-29 14:19:29)
Comment jouer ???
Après de nombreux essais, je n'arrive toujours pas à m'en sortir! impossible de voir ne serait-ce qu'un bout de l'échiquier... Quelqu'un peut-il m'aider à me dire comment on joue une simple partie d'échec ???
Merci à tous pour vos réponses !
Josef Riha (2010-03-29 14:36:53)
Immediate start of tournaments
Thanks for answering, I don't remember this topic(greetings from Alzheim) :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-30 22:35:35)
Playchess PAL tournaments winners
Thanks Samy, so the list of winners so far :
1. ZackS
2. Zor_champ (Hydra)
3. Rajlich (Rybka's author)
4. Xakru (Jiri Dufek and Roman Chytilek)
5. Flying Saucers
6. Rajlich
7. Ibermax
8. Ultima (Eros Riccio)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-29 14:05:09)
Immediate start of tournaments
Hi Josef, yes that's the system implemented at the LSS chess server too. There was a discussion on this about one year ago, I tried to explain why I prefer to keep this waiting, a kind of excitement, of the moment when all games start, also for historical reasons... But there are inconvenients also, that's obvious.
Don Groves (2010-03-31 09:19:17)
Poker dealing algorithm
Yes, everything will happen eventually, but some unlikely repetitions have already happened many times. At least two royal flushes for example. Also, there seem to be too many cases of the flop being all of the same suit. I have seen this several times in only the past few days.
I don't understand what you mean by "prove that no card is dealt out of the algorithm, but I'll have to change it..."
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-31 15:41:58)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance
Yes, I guess that you doesn't let your computer work a so long time with other engines :) Anyway, it is unlikely to come from Rybka. How much RAM do you use?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-03-31 22:03:34)
Improvement to watch games
It will be now much more convenient to follow bullet lightning, blitz & freestyle games (in other words fast games) with the viewer.. The top informations (name, tournament details) will be removed until the game ended.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-01 00:02:58)
How to check tablebases integrity
A small tip that I just read on rybkaforum.net and that can serve again...
For checking tablebase integrity, one can use md5summer.exe
http://www.md5summer.org/download.html
Tablebases md5 files :
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/tablebases-online/
It looks like very useful when trying to install 6 pieces tablebases, particularly when your engine suddenly crashes when trying to access it, by the way how did you get it Wayne? TBgen.exe or download? Does anyone know how much time it takes in both cases?
What kind of computer (processor, ram) is necessary to generated 6 pieces tablebases?
Andres E. Leon (2010-04-01 14:45:00)
Difference between class A / rapid A
Thank you very much for your answer. And someone knows when FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP waiting list is going to be open, and when is the estimated date to start the games? Thank you in advance.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-03 21:33:36)
Weird technical problem
Hi Michel, yes we were a few ones (Mauro, you & I) to play with fire with less than 5 seconds (sometimes 1 second only) on the clock... the real problem is that everything can happen anytime with internet, by the way I lost my last game on time with William because my connection was broken after only 2 moves :( .. And Mauro was playing with a GSM because of his internet provider also.
So I have no clear answer on what happened to your move if you had remaining time, but it is sure that the server received it too late. The email only says that you "tried" to move to h7 (actually this is a way to verify that you didn't resign accidentaly) but as the email does not say that you resigned, it means that you lost on time.
Sorry about this and thanks for your fair play!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-03 22:13:23)
Round 4 - Pairings
Hi all, the freestyle tournament will continue on April 10... A very interesting tournament but I hope we'll have less problems with our *$@#&% internet providers this time.
Here are the pairings for round 4, I'm BYE this time.
Table 1 : Boehme - Taylor
Table 2 : Evans - Pichelin
Table 3 : Moreira - Petrolo
Table 4 : van der Kemp - Nichols
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-04 23:24:51)
Poker Min Bid
Back to this discussion... Still wondering what is best. If the minimal bet is the big blind, it will speed up the games for sure, but as a consequence it may decrease the "depth" of the games, I mean that the chancy factor is directly related to the minimal bet IMO, so ratings may be (even) less accurate. Anyway, I envisage this change, just would like to read some opinions on this.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-05 00:58:06)
Advanced chess ratings calculation
For some reasons that I'll explain below, I updated the advanced chess (bullet, lightning, blitz, freestyle) rating calculation rules to the following :
"Performance = Opponent Current Rating if the game is drawn, + 350 if the game is won, -350 if the game is lost.
The following bonus / malus applied to White and to Black makes ratings fair, as it is not possible to force a player to take White or Black before a game :
(White) Performance = Performance - 50
(Black) Performance = Performance + 50
If there's a winner and if his rating is below 2400, his new rating his :
New Rating = ((8 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 10
Otherwise :
New Rating = ((9 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 10
The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is greater than 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player.
In case of a draw or loss against a player rated more than 200 points less, the opponent's rating considered in calculation is : Current Rating - 200. A player who wins a game cannot lose Elo points, a player who loses a game cannot win Elo points."
More details :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_advanced_chess
The rule that just changed is "If there's a winner and if his rating is below 2400, his new rating his : New Rating = ((8 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 10".
This rule will probably be updated again in a few months with a rating limit of 2200 instead of 2400, when advanced chess ratings will be more coherent with correspondence chess ratings.
The reasons are :
1) Advanced/freestyle chess is often neglected partly because players will likely lose some rating points (many strong players using Rybka 3-like engines still have a rating of 1800 or 2000, there are several reasons to this), the main point is probably the interface but I'm fixing it (e.g. the new touch-move option - see Preferences).
2) Chess engines are just stronger and stronger while the ratings do not increase with the previous rules, as a consequence players who just tried advanced chess once years ago shouldn't still top the rating list. It is of course a way for players to find their place quicker in the rating list & to incitate players to play more games as well.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-05 03:22:11)
How to check tablebases integrity
Thibault, do not waste your time trying to generate them, you won't live long enough. download them at sesse.com
You need 1 terribyte to down load them all. and takes over a year I am informed.
I just started downloading lil over a month ago and have about 25 poitions total downloaded and working.
Please, a word of caution at Sesse download site. He will not allow hardware accelerators (whatever they are). DO NOT download more than a file at a time. You will get blocked.
Thibault I have not used 6 man bases yet.
Caution: Do not have your engine loaded/running when downloading, otherwise expect engine crashing.
I pass on to those interested a decent list of 50 bases to downoad.
Been at this one month +/- so as I learn I will pass on.
Wayne
Daniel Parmet (2010-04-05 04:41:09)
Chess is...
Chess is the ultimate test. Your parallels are never ending to the battles you will face all through out life. The same skills are needed... effort, hard work, concentration, memory and research abilities.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-05 16:43:39)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
Ok a couple of issues:
When links are posted, I still get stuck in the endless loop of having to sign in again when I click on the link, instead of being able to see the linked page.
Also, would it be possible to join from round 4, possibly to replace the bye? Or is this round robin this time due to the numbers?
Garvin Gray (2010-04-05 16:48:43)
Poker Min Bid
There is also the other side of the story about rating accuracy in this situation where if players are getting bored with how long the games are taking because things just go back and forth, then they are less likely to play.
This leads to more inaccurate ratings. I think it would be easier to get more accurate ratings by there being many games against different opponents, even if each individual game is not perfect because the minimum bid has been increased.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-05 16:49:53)
Blitz time controls
Has a decision been made on this? Awaiting to start a match, so want to play the same time control in each game.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-05 17:44:14)
Blitz time controls UPDATED
Hi Garvin!
OK, let's do it. I just updated the blitz time control to 1 hour + 1 hour / 20 moves.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-06 15:41:33)
Ratings calculation
Hi Lazaro, correspondence chess ratings are not calculated in real time, it is calculated every 2 months, see the complete rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess
You may see an estimation of your future rating (taking account of the games played after the last rating calculation) at :
http://www.ficgs.com/players/munoz_lazaro/history.html
A 1885 rating should look like more logical to you :)
Sebastian Boehme (2010-04-08 04:20:59)
Chess is...
Chess is like the ocean - deep, mysterious and sometimes so hard to bear.
Gregory Kohut (2010-04-09 09:14:39)
Chess is...
"Chess is an enjoyable waste of time."-a chess fan
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-10 00:19:35)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
The freestyle tournament will continue tomorrow!
However I must say I regularly have some connection problems with my new provider (it should be fixed in a while - according to them), so I apologize in advance if I'm late to start a round or if I have to lose another game on time :/
See you tomorrow!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-10 14:20:52)
Freestyle vs. Access providers
It looks like that access providers are a real problem during freestyle tournaments... In 4 rounds, 2 players (at least) lost a game on time because of them and 1 other had to play with his mobile phone card because his access provider was not able to see ficgs.com during a few hours.
It is possible that week-ends are a quite bad choice to play as most internet providers encounter most problems from friday evening to monday (and take much more time to solve it).
I do not see a clear rule that could solve all this, maybe more rounds would attenuate the problem... If you have any idea, let's discuss it!
Thanks.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-10 17:49:40)
Freestyle vs. Access providers
Another lesson is that maybe I shouldn't organize such tournaments (the last round was launched about 40 minutes late because of a new connection problem) before that my own access provider makes the necessary to be more stable :(
That's a shame but there's nothing else to do than to wait. It was a good tournament anyway that will allow me to improve some things for the next editions.
Thanks to all players who participated!
Lazaro Munoz (2010-04-06 12:40:44)
Ratings calculation
I don't quite understand the way that ratings are calculated (for initial ratings).
I entered my first chess tournament with an initial rating of 1785 (my ICCF rating at the time). I won 5 games and drew 1 and got a rating of 1837.
My fellow tournament entry Chris Brooks entered also for the first tournament with an initial rating of 1800. He won 4 games and lost 2 and got a rating of 1906?! No complains to him, only to the rating system.
Is there some draw penalty built in? We played the same set of players(so the tournament average rating is exactly the same) and played the same number of games (and no more, I checked this has so far been our only tournament for both of us), yet with my extra point and half I wound up with a much lower rating.
What's up with that?
Don Groves (2010-04-10 18:22:19)
Challenges
Is this so hard to do? I keep getting Chess challenges but I'm only playing Go now. I don't have time for both.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-10 18:25:44)
Challenges
Ok, I should find some time to fix this this week, at last ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-10 19:37:35)
Congrats to David Evans!
David Evans wins this 2nd FICGS freestyle cup!
Here are the final standings (please note that the FICGS crosstable may be slightly different from the pairing software's one) :
1. Evans, David : 4,5 / 6 games played (berg 11,75)
2-3. Petrolo, Mauro : 4 / 6 games played (berg 12,5)
2-3. Taylor, William : 4 / 5 games played (berg 9,5)
4. van der Kemp, Michel : 3,5 / 5 games played (berg 6,75)
5. Boehme, Sebastian : 3 / 5 games played (berg 6,25)
6-7. de Vassal, Thibault : 2,5 / 5 games played (berg 6)
6-7. Nichols, Scott : 2,5 / 5 games played (berg 4,25)
8. Pichelin, Xavier : 2 / 6 games played (berg 5,75)
9-10. Moreira, Jose : 1,5 / 4 games played (berg 3,5)
9-10. Gray, Garvin : 1,5 / 3 games played (berg 3,25)
Of course and unfortunately, the number of "played games" includes losses on time without playing. There were numerous problems with access providers during this tournament...
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-10 23:19:20)
Challenges hidden
New option for the challenges ! (see Preferences) .. now you can "hide" the challenges function. This means that a player still can challenge everyone (including you) but you won't see it. Not a perfect way but to be improved. There should be a blacklist function (during a session only) soon.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-11 12:18:37)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
For the next tournament I would like to see the time control increased to 60 + 15 or similar. I found this time control way too fast for decent freestyle play.
William Taylor (2010-04-11 14:19:39)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
Not sure I agree with Garvin about the time control. I liked the fact that we could play 3 games (often of decent quality IMO) and still not use up an entire day.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-11 15:20:48)
Match Against Rybka Forum
Hi Robert, I'm not sure yet if there are so many members at Rybkaforum interested to play (actually it looks like the most are FICGS players until there), but if it can motivate them, let's try to build a team already :)
Vacation would not be a problem as a long time control should be the option but there is no rule well defined yet. However the rules will probably look like the ones used in FICGS vs. Igame.ru
The thread at Rybkaforum is there :
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=16132
Do not hesitate to post here and there if you're interested to play such a match!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-11 15:31:25)
Freestyle Cup: Time control
The point is IMO would a longer time control mean more draws ? In another hand the less we have time, the less risks we take (or not!?) to create interesting positions and a longer time control may mean more brain/instinct and less chess engines in the games...
To be discussed again and again.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-11 16:18:23)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
It may or may not lead to more draws, this I do not know. But what it will do is allow more time for analysis and human decisions ie centaur play, which I think is the main part of freestyle and one of the main reasons we all participate in these competitions.
If the time control is too fast to allow decent analysis, then each game is just engine v engine with different computing speeds as a variable.
This whole issue could be viewed also as each freestyle comp will have slightly different paramaters to try and satisfy most people's taste.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-11 20:59:51)
Match Against Rybka Forum
Oh ok, thanks Robert, I didn't see this discussion at Rybkaforum before...
The idea discussed with "Vytron" is : Half players would play their game here at FICGS, and the other half would play their game at the Rybka forum... Of course there would be a kind of time control there but this would be a friendly match before all!
So please post here if you're interested to play in the FICGS team and specify if you would be ok to play your game at the Rybkaforum.
I'm in, of course (if my new rating allow me to play :)), and I'm ok to play at the Rybkaforum.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-11 22:01:50)
Blitz Games
They seem to be gaining in popularity. I offer a suggestion. After playing three bullet games I feel an improvement would be to highlight the move made for easier recognition. Other game servers have this feature. Is it difficult to implement Thibault ?
Wayne
Scott Nichols (2010-04-12 03:59:40)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
First of all, thanks to Thibault for having this tournament. I have some ideas for the next one for us to kick around. First and foremost we know the connection issues need to be resolved. Second, the time control. I've played both 30 & 60 minutes with 15 second increments and my preference would be the 60+15, but 30+15 is ok also, not a big deal for me. As for the time to have it, (days of the week, hour of the day), I think there is no way to satisfy everyone because of the wide range of time zones, so you just have to make a time and we will find a way to make it. -----The main new idea I have is to make it an open tournament. This means anyone can join, but only those who pay the entry fee will be eligible for prizes. The reason is to get many more players involved, but only the highest entry-paying player will win prize money. Since there are far more players here without any E-points than those with. It might even inspire more to buy points.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-12 06:02:19)
Freestyle Cup: April 2010
I would certainly prefer only one or two games per night a longer time control.
I am strongly against the idea of allowing free entries whilst other pay. With allowing free entries, they have not done anything to show their commitment to finishing the tournament and could just withdraw/not show up at any stage.
While this can also happen for those who have paid an entry fee, at least these players would lose their entry fee.
Also, I am strongly against this idea of free entries and no chance to win prizes as it means some players can just play risk free with no concern for their overall tournament standing, whilst those competing for prizes have to be mindful of their tournament position.
In effect it will create two different mini tournaments and some players will be adversely affected.
I would rather a smaller tournament, but where all the players are playing under the same conditions ie time control, entry fee, ability to win prizes.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-12 21:08:23)
NEW # 1
New number 1 or not, the gap decreases... All this was predictable (and it was predicted) even if Rybka was untouchable for the most when the gap was over 100 elo points... but after that Chessbase intelligently scheduled the improvements of Fritz, Shredder, Junior, Hiarcs & finally Rybka, came Naum, Stockfish, Ippolit & its clones RobboLito, Ivanhoe & Firebird.
Clones or not clones, anyway now it seems obvious for everyone that it will be harder and harder to make money with chess engines, just like with everything else on the internet... The beginning of the decadence (according to its meaning) ?
Lazaro Munoz (2010-04-13 20:40:15)
More ratings questions
This time one big chess. According to rules for big chess (I actually read it first before posting :), it says that the original rating that is used for calculations is the correspondence rating, which should have been 1785, however it appears that 0 was used instead. In the section that I almost finishing I am now 5 out 5 with 1 game left. The ratings of the other players ranged from 1800 down 1200 (roughly) initially. My current provision rating is 1609 and it seems that all my opponents have lost at least 200 ratings points in the process of playing in this tournament.
If rating system had used a real low rating as the initial for myself it would have been unfair to both myself and all of the other players in my section.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-13 22:30:46)
Big chess ratings
Hi Lazaro!
"Big chess ratings are first estimated from current correspondence chess ratings (current rating -300 points, with at least 1400), then adjusted in real time after each result (...)"
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_big_chess
When you entered your first big chess tournament, the TER was not specified but your current correspondence chess rating was used (minus 300) to calculate your first big chess rating with your first result, so a rating of 1609 seems ok taking account of your opponents ratings. The first results may look quite arbitrary but some rules prevent to lose too many points when losing against a strong opponent with a low rating. Anyway there should be more class categories to get more chances to improve ratings (to be continued), we needed more players but maybe we can do it now.
Daniel Parmet (2010-04-15 07:56:42)
Download 6 pieces tablebases
http://www.newinchess.com/Gold_Nalimov_Tablebases_set-p-2231.html
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-15 17:06:14)
Computer keeps locking up... assistance
Thank you Josef. But a lone time back I did see it (I thought). Maybe I remember wrong. Anyone with Fritz11 gui see it ? thank you
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-17 16:35:57)
The 42106 case, strange poker bug
For my personal records (if it happens again), a one time bug happened in game 42106 for a completely unknown reason...
The moves : 1.fold 1 2.check - 3.check 1 4.1 - 5.check 1 6.1 - 7.check 20 8.fold - 9.fold 1 10.check - 11.check 1 12.1 - 13.check - 14.*
Actually player White played more than 4 moves in a row after 13.check, which is impossible in theory.
Even more strange, when I corrected the game & replayed the 13.check, it was Black's turn so everything ok.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=42106
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-21 15:20:31)
Match Against Rybka Forum
About the rules :
Time control 20 days + 20 days / 10 moves at FICGS... for the games played at RybkaForum it is 24/48 hours per move in average & in relax mode, there will not be "losses on time"...
It seems to me that there is no other special rule, I just asked Vytron to confirm.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-21 21:30:59)
Wider rating range tournaments
Returning to the 400 rating range will not help for two reasons.
1) Players have shown with both the 400 and now 200 rating ranges that they will not join a tournament if most of the other players are rated below them, even if e-points are offered for winning the tournament
This will not change by going back to 400 point rating bands.
2) The only time players participate in tournaments where they could lose rating points is in the World Champ tourneys, where the prize (qualifying for next round and six games against strong opponents) is greater than the risk of losing rating points.
Hence why I have at least brought up the idea of another set of tournaments. The idea would be every one enters, players are allocated to groups (each group is as equal as possible), then the winners of each group go through to another round robin final group.
The difference between this and the World Champs is that there is no knockout stages and everyone starts from stage one. This means even the 2400's would have to play in stage one to win the tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-21 23:49:04)
FICGS Cup or Open tournament
Here comes back the idea of a FICGS cup or whatever the name... I'm not sure if this is a good idea as WCH tournaments take a lot of time to most of us already, best is to gather most players in the same competition IMO.
Of course I could create a rated category with no rating range at all in Special tournaments, but I'm not sure if there is really an interest in it, any opinion ?
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-20 17:58:10)
Final Match details
Thibault would you post the final match conditions ? I do not know for sure game timer, match format etc etc.
Thank you
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-23 02:01:02)
Speeding up Poker games
Yes, but the more you fold, the more time you get in this case.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-23 15:47:05)
Anand vs. Topalov, world championship
So it seems that a FIDE world championship match is to start between current FIDE world champion Viswanathan Anand and former world champion Veselin Topalov...
I'm not even sure if this is a kind of "semi-final" or if this is a final match in the cycle... In my memory, Veselin Topalov beat Gata Kamsky and V. Anand beat Vladimir Kramnik, right?
Anyway a first problem occured with Anand asking FIDE to postpon the start of the match by one day because of the lack of airplanes as a consequence of the icelandic volcano (yes, Bobby Fischer stroke again! :)), the psychological war started and Silvio Danailov already threatened to sue FIDE.
What do you expect to happen during this match? Who is your favourite?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-23 00:26:49)
Wider rating range tournaments
The problem is either it would ask a big update to make it automatic or an action from a tournament director each time... If I make an update, it should probably work for all class tournaments. This is the system used by IECG but I'm not sure if it is best, and what if several players share first place & so on... Ratings move faster than at IECG to avoid that and allow players to reach higher categories in a shorter time. Simple rules are often best IMO.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-23 01:11:29)
Wider rating range tournaments
Garvin, you have a very good point. I have been there and so I know how your feeling. It is very difficult to advance that is for sure.
Garvin It can be overcome, I have! please refer to my rating climb. I started off at rock bottom despite the fact that I had a rating of 2300++ going in here at ficgs. I did know know I could transfer part of my rating (1800 I Think) but I started at the bottom (1500 if memory serves).It has taken me for what seems forever to arrive to where I am now. I have worked very hard to achieve the Title and it's rating. I have a nice comp now, but the first couple of years I grew in stature with a 1.8 ghz single cpu. Have used that cpu most of my stay here.
What is my secret ?. Answer I have non. First is I have a excellent CC book (lousy for blitzing). I feel the real only way to advance here on FICS is outbook and out think your opponent in opening lines (ask Thibault :)
So MY thoughts are that it would follow that I am not in favor of your proposal. Having said that, I will support what ever way Thibault goes with your ideas.
Good luck my friend, I am behind you, but honestly cannot say I will support any new rating grading.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-24 17:02:39)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Tano-Urayoán just posted an interesting idea in the following discussion:
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=8507
I was totally opposed to this idea at a first sight, but after a while I found some real advantages.
The idea : Any player could pay an entry fee to enter a high class chess tournament (e.g. 20 Euros for class M, 40 for class SM, 60 for class GM), whatever his rating.
Of course what we all see first is : Anyone can pay to make increase his rating faster, that is just unfair!
But let's imagine that a player rated 1800 pays an entry fee of 40 Euros to enter the class SM waiting list.
1) The waiting list will be filled faster!
2) If this player is actually stronger than its rating show, he'll find its place faster (the other players will not lose so many points because their ratings are protected - see rating calculation rules).
3) There could be such an extra rule: Players who are already in the waiting list or who will play the tournament may share 50% of the entry fee in Epoints, which would be a kind of compensation for them.
4) These entry fees will help to have more prizes in free tournaments (another compensation) and bigger prizes in e.g. freestyle cups, although I don't have any idea on how many players would be interested in this, so the site will become more popular and so on...
Anyway, please share your views if you have any idea to improve this one, and your opinion is needed here of course!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-24 17:53:33)
Bullet & lightning time controls
The bullet & lightning games are slowly but surely gaining in popularity, the next freestyle tournaments should help to continue this way...
Now that the touch-move option appeared at FICGS (see Preferences), maybe the bullet & lightning time controls should be faster to make it more different from each other and from blitz.
So far bullet is : 10 min. + 20 sec. / move , lightning : 30 min. + 1 min. / move
Maybe we could envisage this change :
Bullet : 5 min. + 15 seconds / move , lightning : 20 min. + 30 seconds / move
Any opinion?
Garvin Gray (2010-04-24 12:03:25)
Wider rating range tournaments
Thumbs down for the paying an entry fee to get into a higher rating.
It just seems to me that it goes against the whole idea of earning your way into a higher rating group by improving your play and rating to justify an opportunity in the higher group.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-24 14:27:23)
Wider rating range tournaments
:o) .. that's a very good commercial idea, Tano-Urayoán ;) Unfortunately I'm afraid Garvin's right on this point.
You make another good point Garvin IMO.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-24 14:30:18)
Wider rating range tournaments
I also think about the possibility to imitate the advanced chess (Go as well) rating rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=8375
There may be several advantages to this:
1) It would give a better image of the quality of the games compared to the past as engines are stronger and stronger but ratings do not increase in average...
2) It would allow players to access more easily the next category...
3) Old best ratings achieved a few years ago wouldn't be unbreakable anymore...
4) It may motivate retired players to come back to the fight :)
What do you think?
Scott Nichols (2010-04-24 18:01:34)
Bullet & lightning time controls
I like the changes you suggest.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-24 18:14:51)
Bullet & lightning time controls
Three possible options IMO :
1) Bullet : 5 min. + 15 seconds / move , lightning : 10 min. + 30 sec. / move
2) Bullet : 5 min. + 15 seconds / move , lightning : 20 min. + 30 sec. / move
3) Bullet : 5 min. + 15 seconds / move , lightning : 30 min. + 30 sec. / move
Maybe I hesitate between 1 & 3 finally...
Kamesh Nookala (2010-04-24 19:27:43)
Bullet & lightning time controls
Thib, how about 15+30 for Lightning.
If you see 5+15 and 20+30, there appears to be a huge gap. However, i feel I can agree with any of them :)
Just a suggestion :-O
Don Groves (2010-04-25 01:45:46)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
I still like the idea of allowing the winner of a tournament to enter the next higher level one time. It serves the same purpose as this suggestion but is limited to one player at a time so it doesn't dilute the level of play in the higher tournament. It also helps a new player find their appropriate level faster.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-25 02:00:36)
Careful wht you do with our loved F
Thibault, I have been here since the beginning. I have grown with FICGS. I am very proud to be a member of FICGS in good standing.
I see dangers ahead for you and our FICGS.
You need to be very careful my friend about Changing the overall makeup of FICGS. I think overall the "E" point conditions here is ok, as long as it does not infringe outward from where it is now> This latest proposal (buying into a high classification) is very bad and changes the premise of FICGS, which is: If you are good, diligent and work hard you will advance and be rewarded. Tites should not come easy. Same for rating points. For if they do come easy then they have no meaning.
Players who have earned their stripes do merit certain considerations, that is good and proper.
Another potential problem that I see is that FICGS is headed in a direction down yahoo chess lane. We all like these bullet games, they are fun. I am not at all suggesting their elimination. I am just counseling "be careful". Do not let it become the face of FICGS chess. Yahoo chess is a total disaster. I do not want our site to even look in that direction.
I have been monitoring the chatter on bullet chess and it is great, all are enjoying it.
That covers the main points of interest for me. I am not against changes. I do not want changes that change the make up of FICGS as we know it now.
Its your server, you may do as you wish of course
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-25 02:15:13)
Bullet & lightning time controls
Thibault, I like all 3 of the 5 min versions you have brought up. No problem with me
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-25 02:17:33)
Bullet & lightning time controls
On second thought, I am thinking a 30 second increment for lightening is to long. Maybe shorten it.
Jut a thought
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-25 02:30:48)
Bullet & lightning time controls
Finally and unless someone can convince me for another option, I think I'll make the changes to option 2 tomorrow :
Bullet : 5 min. + 15 seconds / move , lightning : 20 min. + 30 sec. / move
I think that's the good distance for lightning between bullet & blitz time controls.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-25 02:49:59)
Careful wht you do with our loved F
Having just read my post it does not take into consideration the renumeration value of changes. If you take FICGS, into the very profitable yahoo world, that would be good for you. You have a right to position yourself to maximize capital worth. This is good, it is what America is all about. So I should keep my big mouth shut I guess
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-25 02:52:37)
FICGS
I understand you Wayne, I don't want to make such mistakes and that's why we talk so much about these changes in this forum :)
On entry fees for a higher class tournament, I agree on the main point of course, but some advantages had to be discussed. The success of this site is also money and money prizes in the future IMO so I prefer to discuss such ideas than to do nothing.
That was the first point. Then there are some other points that remain to be discussed IMO : 1) Maybe correspondence chess ratings should increase (in average) as engines become stronger. 2) Titles calculation rules should probably be harder as a consequence, maybe it should have been changed already.
Correspondence/Advanced chess is constantly evolving, our marks move fast, so rules may have to change. I don't think that FICGS can turn into a kind of Yahoo chess (I did not ever play there btw), the most important thing is the atmosphere and I know that if I make a mistake, someone will let me know very quickly as it happened once a few months ago. We all make that success in that way!
Scott Nichols (2010-04-25 10:43:52)
Careful wht you do with our loved F
An annual membership fee is not a good idea at all IMO. Then you would change the whole concept of the "free" international games server. However I am a firm supporter of a small "take" from the entry fees for tournaments and E-point games.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-25 18:36:33)
Ads gone?
Google ads were not so necessary on this part of the site anymore and it is not so good for its image so I removed it.
The ads are still visible on the other forums which receive more visitors... and I must say it is best like this :) Thanks!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-25 18:50:23)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
By the way it would be possible to set as a limit 1 "sponsoring" player per tournament as well.
Maybe this rule would look like more acceptable if I can make an update so that winners in a tournament get a ticket to entry a higher class tournament.
Once again, I'm not saying I want this "entry fee for higher class tournament" rule at any price, but if we find a way to make it not too unacceptable, maybe it would be worth a try before to see the real consequences so let's discuss it again!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-25 19:39:42)
Bullet & lightning time controls
Sorry I missed your message Wayne. Well, 30 seconds looks even a bit short to me compared to the blitz time control. Hard to find the perfect scheme.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-04-25 19:45:53)
Bullet & lightning time controls
Okey Dokie Thibault. I am fine with it
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-27 10:37:30)
FICGS down, server HACKED!
The server was down for about 1 day, all my apologies. FICGS is still secure and was not in danger or compromised at any time, nothing was lost during the process, but another site on the server was hacked so the server was blocked to avoid to spread the virus. Everything should be ok now.
To be sure that no game will be lost on time because of this, I've added 2 days to any player expected to play and 12 hours more to all players. Thanks for your patience and sorry about all that!
Michel van der Kemp (2010-04-27 10:44:40)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
For reasons already mentioned by others I would be opposed to people being able to buy themselves tickets to higher tournaments.
The idea of earning a ticket for a higher tournament by winning a tournament seems fair, and seems similar to what ICCF has. I would be in favour of that idea.
Garvin Gray (2010-04-27 12:12:19)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
As already stated, I am in favour of the winner of the immediate section below being able to earn a spot in the higher division.
I do have a slight change of position. In previous posts I have stated that in the case of a tie for first, it should be the highest TER that goes through.
Now I think about it, it should be the person with the highest rating at the END of the tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-27 12:27:54)
Interview with E. Kotlyanskiy
The next final match "Edward Kotlyanskiy vs. Eros Riccio" in the FICGS chess championship should start in about 2 months from now! As always, I'm impatient & excited in advance :)
The next cycle should start on july 1st as well, the waiting lists will be open on may 1st, a few days more to wait!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-27 14:49:30)
FICGS down, server HACKED!
... and this wasn't april fool joke this time ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-04-27 18:27:38)
New bullet time control
Any feedback on the new bullet time control? (5 min. + 15 sec/move)
Do you think it should be even faster or is it ok? ;)
Hannes Rada (2010-04-27 23:52:33)
interesting games and rating
I think interesting games as well as boring games can be played in every class ...:-)
And rating means nothing nowadays.
1800 Elo player can be as strong or weak as a 2600 Elo rated player.
It's quite interesting: on the ICCF-forum the people are complaining that it is not possible to win a cc-game anymore.
Here people are claiming that it is not possible to increase the rating anymore.
Guys simply play chess, try different openings + ideas and you will have again fun, even if you don't win the game or you don't increase your rating :-)
Mircea Hrubaru (2010-04-28 22:14:49)
Anand vs. Topalov, world championship
I think we should put aside the first game. In my view black played allright until the blunder 23...Kf7? which gave white the chance to blow away black's position with 23. Nxf6!! (Anand saw the pawn in f6 under the threat Nxf6 and that's why he defended with the king, but I think he didn't consider the immediate capture).
In games 2 and 4 Anand showed a superb preparation in an opening that haunts Topalov since his match against Kramnik. Game 2 showed a Topalov looking for deadly attacks and ignoring the lack of sufficient force in the attack. Until now the game with the highest quality is surely game 4, where 10. Na3!? caught Topalov offguard. Between them Anand showed in game 3 that he can chill out and play for safety.
Stephane Legrand (2010-05-01 02:25:48)
Speeding up Poker games
you dont sleep 24hours !
if he waits you go to bed he losses more time than you!!
but you are right some players can play with this rythm in certain case!!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-02 15:16:12)
How many games at once?
Hi Daniel, in my case I used to play almost 100 games at once 2 years ago, including Go games... I had to reduce this number to 2O~30 before to turn crazy :)
This could be an interesting statistic to calculate... when I'll find some time.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-02 15:39:35)
Speeding up Poker games
We could try to change the standard poker time control to e.g. 10 days + 12 hours per move (instead of 30 days + 1 day per move)... I'm not sure if this will be enough and if it will have bad effects, the fact is I do not find a better idea :/
All opinions are welcome...
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-05 16:20:30)
FICGS chess database
Hello all,
As a reminder the complete FICGS chess database is available here (or see the link in Search Games in the menu) :
http://www.ficgs.com/databases/chess.pgn
Bullet, lightning & blitz games (including freestyle cup games) are no more included in this database to make it more coherent and of a better quality (too many losses on time because of connection problems or without any move played by one player)... This way bullet games are even more just for fun!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-02 16:40:48)
Speeding up Poker games
I'm afraid that a few tournaments would not be enough as a test... 2 time controls would be a good idea but I'm not sure if the rating lists would be filled fast enough so if you think that this new one would not bring real problems, maybe we should change the time control for all poker standard tournaments... then the experience will tell what to do!?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2010-05-02 17:19:25)
Speeding up Poker games
There will be a problem for those players who can only move once a day. If they live on the "wrong" side of the world and / or they only can move between 5 and 6 o'clock of our time, 10d+12h will not work. If you only offer this time control they will not be able to play.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-02 19:20:14)
Speeding up Poker games
True, but after all there is a "bullet" time control for poker as well... and all these games count for the same rating list <-- this argument is actually good for both choices. Anyway we'll have to find a way to shorten these correspondence poker games.
Ryan Cross (2010-05-02 20:05:07)
Speeding up Poker games
One option that wouldn't be too drastic as far as changing the way the game is played, but I'm sure would take some effort to implement, is simply conditional moves.
You called a raise off the button with a hand that doesn't hit so you check. However many hours later your opponent bets, as you expect. However many hours after that you finally fold.
With something as simple as a 'check/fold' switch for the current betting round, three moves could happen in practically the time of one. Not every time, but enough to make a difference.
Taking it a step further, one could create a list of advanced conditional moves. If my opponent bets between x and y, raise z. If my opponent bets between a and b, call. If my opponent checks, bet d, if opponent bets, fold.
So on and so forth. I've seen conditional moves work quite well in correspondence chess games, and to some extent conditional moves already work well in real time online poker games.
After that, one could consider programming starting hand ranges to fold, call, raise on the button. Though it would be nice if that somehow took stack size into consideration. But I digress, that's a suggestion for another day.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-02 22:01:16)
Speeding up Poker games
Nice idea... well, definitely I'll have to implement these conditional moves, but I'm afraid that will not be enough to speed up these poker games.
Ryan Cross (2010-05-02 22:20:58)
Speeding up Poker games
Well, some other random ideas: Decrease the amount of time available to take any single move, currently 60 days, to something like 10 days, 14 days, whatever.
Or, play to one point instead of three. Or simply best out of three.
Somewhat off topic, I notice that when one player scores a point, one player starts with 101 chips (100 in hand and one in pot) and the other with 99 chips (97 in hand, 2 in pot). Seems like a bug to me.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2010-05-03 00:22:51)
Speeding up Poker games
I like best of 5. I would not like to miss it.
I think small blinds could raise earlier: 20/2 35/4 50/8 65/16 80/32 100/64.
"there is a "bullet" time control for poker": That's true, but not an alternative to a tournament. I have tried it once. After more than 2 hours and (only!) 265 moves my opponent had to resign because he has to do other things. If I think that I played many poker games with more than 1000 moves ...
Conditional moves are too complicated for poker I think.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-03 01:15:13)
Speeding up Poker games
Bullet poker games should go faster with the recent changes...
(including touch move).
On Ryan suggestions :
> Decrease the amount of time available to take any single move, currently 60 days, to something like 10 days, 14 days, whatever.
I think that this time limit per move is fine... too much pressure is not good. And it would not solve the whole problem.
> Or, play to one point instead of three. Or simply best out of three.
The way blinds increase and the number of points is the best scheme so far for the balance "chancy factor vs. game duration" IMO.
> Somewhat off topic, I notice that when one player scores a point, one player starts with 101 chips (100 in hand and one in pot) and the other with 99 chips (97 in hand, 2 in pot). Seems like a bug to me.
Huwow... would be a real bug! could you tell me what game & what move you saw that?? (you can see the previous moves of a game in the game viewer page)
Thanks for the suggestions anyway!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-05 15:41:56)
Topalov wins Game 8
Topalov strikes back in Game 8, now the score is 4-4, and as Mircea noticed it, the game follows a line until move 18 in another game played here "de Vassal vs. Leemans 1/2-1/2", I'm not sure if 18.a5 is a real improvement but it worked well against a world champion, at least!
Sebastian Boehme (2010-05-07 18:41:23)
How many games at once?
Hi guys,
at prime time I used to play about 230 games at once. This can be quite stressful though and I have reduced this number quite a bit by now.
I think with good time management 100 games at once can still be managed.
Don Groves (2010-05-08 09:12:52)
How many games at once?
Back when FICGS was younger, I believe there was a limit of 50 games at one time.
I think this limit should be reinstated. A player may think he or she can handle 100 or more games but what about the opponents who then must wait up to a year for a game to finish?
I still feel there should be a rule that mandates a shorter maximum time between moves (no more than 7 days) but limiting the number of simultaneous games could have the same effect, that of speeding up games to a reasonable duration.
If a player cannot make at least one move per week in any game, then they don't have enough time for the number of games they are playing.
Hannes Rada (2010-05-08 20:04:09)
How many games at once?
> still feel there should be a rule
> that mandates a shorter maximum time > between moves (no more than 7 days)
I am sure such a rule would cause many players to quit playing here.
Hey this is corr chess and not Blitz !
What is a reasonable duration for cc games ?
I had some games at the ICCF server which took more then 2 years.
Patience is one of the most important skills for a (cc) player.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-08 20:45:55)
How many games at once?
Actually there's still a rule on the number of games... If you have more than 50 running games (but poker), you cannot enter more waiting lists (but wch), the same for poker games that are limited to 50 before to enter a new waiting list... (see the complete rules for more details)
IMO the current rules are the best balanced ones.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-08 21:08:51)
New proposition
Here's a new idea, based on the fact that I don't think I'll have time (before a while, at least) to implement a script that would allow 1 or 2 tournament's winners to enter a higher class waiting list... many particular cases, not so easy.
The idea :
We could allow one (actually 2 would be still ok IMO) tournament's winner to enter a higher class waiting list for 10 Epoints (not Euros, big difference as most Epoints are won in free tournaments and cannot be cashed out if not played in tournaments with entry fee). I would place the players in the waiting lists by myself but finally it may satisfy everyone -> A player rated 1900 could enter a 2000+ waiting list but could not enter a 2200+ waiting list, the server can offer more Epoints prizes (that just increased for chess tournaments, by the way), and players could find their place more easily in the ratings.
Any opinion?
Don Groves (2010-05-08 23:23:15)
How many games at once?
With some talking about so many games, I did not know there was still a rule for 50 games maximum. Those other games must be on other servers then and FIGCS has no control over that.
As for the proper length of correspondence games, I would not willingly play if I knew a game would take more than three months. It's not a matter of patience, it's a matter of reasonableness. A two-year game is simply unreasonable to me. I've never had a postal game last nearly that long.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-08 23:45:26)
New proposition
Actually the main problem is IMO what to do if let's say 5 players rated 2000-2200 suddenly ask for an entry in a 2200+ (class M) waiting list... It may take so much time for the 5th player to be able to enter it (waiting for a 3rd M tournament starts if 2 players can have a ticket per tournament) that he may reach the 2200 mark before that his ticket be useful.
Daniel Parmet (2010-05-09 03:36:39)
How many games at once?
If you lower the time limit for response on games to 7 days then I will ask for you to delete my account. This little time defeats the entire point of correspondence. You have no right to dictate how I can and where I should spend my time. The reason I play correspondence is because I can spend 10 days on juicy positions or sit on draw offers or if my real life gets too busy ignore my games all together. If you take this away from me then correspondence is dead to me or at least this site is.
Don Groves (2010-05-09 05:01:36)
How many games at once?
Vacations take care of life getting too busy to play. The other stuff is a matter of opinion. Ours are different.
I have no problem with taking 10 days for a juicy decision, but some here take several days for almost every move! That becomes too much.
Another thing that happens is that when a new tournament begins, one player may let his clock go red before he starts to move in a game. Then he will play one move per day to avoid losing on time, but the other player must wait for several weeks before the game begins. Is this fair?
Daniel Parmet (2010-05-09 06:13:15)
How many games at once?
Absolutely its fair. Both players knew the timecontrol when they signed up. One player is using the timecontrol and the other has no right to be annoyed since he agreed to the timecontrol.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-09 14:48:45)
How many games at once?
Well, what are we talking about exactly? :) .. Do not worry Daniel, there will be no change change for chess or Go as I'm still convinced that the current rules are the best balanced ones for the most (and not too stressing), but there is probably something to do with the time control for poker... (see the "Speeding up Poker games" discussion)
The only thing we shouldn't change is this time limit per move of 60 days (of course if we have more than 60 days on the clock). When I see other online games on Facebook on whatever that force their users to connect every 8 hours or so, I'm just terrified.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-09 23:24:12)
How many games at once?
Of course it is laughable, I took the extreme opposites but while everything goes faster & faster on the internet and everyone MUST become more & more addicted so that the world runs fine (just meaning more money), my choice is definitely not to follow that way, also because this system will not work so long IMO. People will slowly quit Facebook after a time or at least will not use it the same way, and many already started to stop to play all these thousands stupid applications. Maybe it cannot be really a good comparison but the idea is there.
Correspondence chess was much slower before email chess & server chess, and it is now fast enough IMO. I don't know how other players feel it, some ones have time for sure, as for me I have some time to play but a 14 days limit per move would be really stressful to me though... I cannot imagine how many games more I would have lost with such a rule.
I know that a few players would like faster moves, however I feel that most players are fine with the current rules and I really want everyone to be cool here. We've lost a bunch of good players because of the previous rules such as unlimited number of games.
Now we should debate it game after game as most players who would like faster moves at chess still play in class tournaments (while rapid category was designed for them). Go is a game of patience definitely, but I have some work to do to accelerate some games (something towards automatic adjudication), and the major problem will be for poker games.
So, what are we talking about? :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-09 23:34:06)
Rybka 4, news, tests & results
Well, as it is possible to pre-order it at Chessbase & Chessok (Aquarium), I guess it should be released soon!?
The author of Rybka (Vasik Rajlich) said the first part of may...
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3546/aquarium.jpg
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2010-05-09 23:35:54)
How many games at once?
Mr Groves if you want faster games, in the Rybka forum they play games at one move per day, maybe you will not lose your precious time waiting for your opponent moves.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-09 23:44:16)
Time, time
I don't think we should hear Don this way, I understand that correspondence chess or Go asks us to have a "flash forward" of 1 year, sometimes more, and that may be a real problem in some cases.
I remember the case of a strong player & gentleman, Einar Andreassen, who had to forfeit several games kind of that way :/
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-10 12:15:16)
Big chess world championship
The very 1st Big Chess world championship (ever!) waiting list is open, the tournaments will start on july 1st, 2010.
Now it is time to promote again this incredible game where chess players may be quite lost during the first games (the value of the pieces may move quite fast), its complexity is probably somewhere between chess & Go...
Just let your chess engines on your chess games, you only need your brain on the 16x16 board, join the fun! :)
Garvin Gray (2010-05-10 14:42:11)
Careful wht you do with our loved F
First of all, can we change the incorrect spelling in the thread title, it is start to shit me lol
Anyways, on to the thread topic.
Ok, now I understand what you are talking about Thib. Different tournament winners decide to exercise their right to enter the next highest division at the same time.
Rule One: Winning a tournament entitles you to enter the next highest division up. This is valid for the next tournament only in the division you have qualified for.
Upper qualification can not be stored for use at any future time.
The qualification only exists in the section you qualified in ie standard or rapid. It can not be transferred to the other section.
Thib, I do not think there will be ever be a situation where 5 players try and exercise their qualification rights into the exact same tournament at the same time.
Also the two rules above should help in reducing the chances of this happening.
In cases where two or more players do attempt to enter the same 'upper' division, the first person to pay their entry fee will get entry.
The idea of first person to pay is the earlier the commitment, the more benefit the 'committer' receives.
I have not yet come up with an idea for those who try to exercise their earnt option and miss out. Should they lose their opportunity, or it retained for the next tournament that they could enter.
Could be quite a long reserve list and also by the beginning of the 2nd tournament, the player may have lost more rating points and it can be shown by their results that they probably should not be going up.
Maybe on the reserves list, it should be listed by TER and the highest TER gets first option when it comes to second tournaments.
Does this make sense?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-10 15:16:19)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Well, the discussion continued in another thread :
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=8555
Garvin's ideas may work fine, but while some players will like the benefits, some others will be deceived not to be able to take advantage of it (quite a chancy factor)...
Here is my new proposal (based on a few Epoints, not real money) :
- Winners of any standard (class) or rapid tournament, whatever the game, may buy a ticket for 10 Epoints to enter the waiting list for the next tournament category according the following conditions :
* No more than 2 players obtained the best score in the tournament. There's no winner otherwise.
* The player's TER must not be more than 200 points below the low rating limit of the waiting list.
* At most 2 players may buy a ticket to enter the same waiting list.
* The possibility to buy a ticket is valid up to 2 months after the end of the tournament and only after the official end of the tournament [when the tournaments list shows winners, not leaders of the tournament].
* The player's account must be credited of at least 10 Epoints.
Please correct anything that looks unclear and let's discuss it again :) Thanks for all your help Garvin & all!
I'd like to have Wayne, Michel's & other opinions on the proposed changes, is this at least more acceptable according to you?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-11 15:25:54)
A suggestion
Hi Don, of course that's very feasible but I just drastically optimized the My games page so that it displays faster (it seems to work, the number of SQL requests went in average from about 30 to 2).
A consequence is that one can see if a player is in vacation on this page only if it's his turn in the game, maybe that's not definitive but I have to make this test and observe how the server reacts.
I'm not sure if your suggestion is really useful (maybe for those who hide the challenges form) but it would be kind of bonus, so if I can do it while avoiding too many tests, why not. For now, I prefer to let this page as it is.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-11 15:28:54)
Rybka 4, news, tests & results
...and he probably has much more to do this time to protect his source code & make an engine stronger than its possible clones... so we'll see :)
Michel van der Kemp (2010-05-11 16:42:20)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
I just dont like the possibility to buy oneself tickets for higher tournaments. What's next? Next FIDE world championship challenger is going to be the one that brings the largest bag of money to the table?
Perhaps a commercial aspect to this justifies this idea. I know it's a lot of work to keep a site like this running, and FICGS gets many improvements all the time. It makes sense to get some revenue out of it, to compensate so much work.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-11 18:01:16)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Hi Michel! Thanks again for discussing it.
> What's next? Next FIDE world championship challenger is going to be the one that brings the largest bag of money to the table?
I don't know if this was designed to be humor (I guess, but maybe you meant FICGS instead of FIDE?) but in the context of current FIDE rules I find it very funny :) .. by the way if the same rules were applied at FICGS, anyone could challenge the champion for the title for $500,000 or something like this. Of course that would be great for FICGS and the current champion may appreciate such a prize as well, but that's not the point here.
However yes this FIDE rule may be compared to my suggestion, at a very different level though (the basic idea is the same: to build prizes for more interesting [free?] competitions), in my opinion an entry fee of 10 Epoints is quite different from what I suggested before already. Note that even if FICGS was not free, it would not justify such special entry fee more (not saying it cannot be justified!), after all there's an entry fee in the vast majority of OTB tournaments, if you don't pay it (but GM/IM that are generally invited to play for free - and most often take the prize), you cannot improve your rating, the problem is that the entry fee depends on the tournament, and the entry fee for closed tournaments (the main/only way to get norms) is often much higer.
I agree that things are somewhat different here as the main idea of FICGS is to be completely free. So the real question is : "Is FICGS still 'free' if a tournament's winner can choose to pay an entry fee in a virtual money (by the way it is quite easy to get Epoints without having to pay anything) to enter the next tournaments category".
- If despite of all the answer is "no", then FICGS is NOT free right now anyway as any player can play a rated 2 games match RAPID SILVER with an entry fee against a higher rated player to have more chances to win elo points. This way even IECG was not free (chessfriend), and even if something is really 100% free, it still doesn't mean fair, which is the main point here. Even if a tournament's winner could enter the next tournament's category for free, such a rule would NEVER be completely fair, as I described the particular cases.
Quite complex :)
Finally I'm not saying you're wrong in any way. Free or not free is a really complex question IMO, in my point of view, FICGS will remain free as noone needs to pay to become champion or to achieve the highest ratings (unlike FIDE). But if it is 99% free only while offering money prizes, I'd choose it anyway for sure.
Benjamin Block (2010-05-11 18:19:01)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Ficgs is still free... I think it can be very good indeed.
1.Some players maybe want training...
2.It will also stop an inflation. Because some new player came here and already have a high rating from example iccf.
And they start playing this site. Maybe they don´t have time for the games and left this site. With just giving a way some points.
Am i right?
Garvin Gray (2010-05-11 18:25:23)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Michel van der Kemp - I think you need to read, or re-read all of the comments and proposals, discussions again.
The key feature of this is that a person has to win their own rating group tournament in either standard or rapid before being able to enter a higher division.
There is no case where anyone can just buy a spot into a higher division. They have to first earn the privilege. Then in simple terms they would only be using the epoints collected from their win of said division.
I really do hope you have read the previous comments over the few threads that have eventuated on this topic, as they are crucial to understand the concept.
I have spent quite a lot of time typing out proposals and thoughts on this idea, so if you have not read them and instead just come into the forum and protested at the first thing you think it wrong, then I will be rather pissed off at you and anyone else that does it.
Stephane Legrand (2010-05-11 18:37:09)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
I agree with Garvin, Wayne .... I am in favour of the winner of the immediate section below being able to earn a spot in the higher division.
An i propose that if this player obtains 50% or more he can have a new one in this division.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-11 18:48:52)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Stéphane, please specify if you agree any conditions (which ones?) described a few posts above... that's the main point.
Garvin, I need some opinions like Michel's one (even if I cannot convince him), it helps me to make my ideas clearer and to bring better arguments. I feel that we approach something now, but we really have to specify what conditions we're talking about (e.g. entry fee in Epoints or real money) when discussing. So should I understand that you agree my previous posts?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-11 18:50:39)
Anand wins game 12 !
Quite a surprise to me, Anand beats Topalov with Black in the very last game... He is chess world champion again ! Congratulations to him!
Daniel Parmet (2010-05-11 19:25:22)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
I am very much in favor of the winner of his/her own class tournament earning as a prize the right to play one up class. This actually brings a relevant prize to the tournaments! Up until I have had no reason to care if I won a tournament or not. Why? What do I get? Pride? Ego? Bragging Rights? Epoints? I get nothing! Now I earn the right to player stronger players! A true prize indeed!
I don't agree if two players tie though that one just mystically be given the prize and the other not. I understand you don't want to dilute the rating pool... but you can force one person to wait til waiting list fills and each person can sit in it one at a time.
Daniel Parmet (2010-05-11 19:31:54)
Rybka 4, news, tests & results
but its not actually being released either right? Its just they send you some online server login password bs. Its not a real engine this time around.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-05-11 19:57:10)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Dear Thib,
Points 1 and 4 are quite good. However, here comes the question.
What if the winner of the preceding (lower) category, after paying 10 e-points and entering into the next higher rated tour, fares decent enof, for e.g. finishes 2nd in the higher category (or doesn't lose a single game)? Will he have to again win his category of event and then pay 10 e-points and join the immediate higher rated event again? Or, he will "earn" a chance to play that higher rated category again considering his previous performance?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-11 20:14:40)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Hi Kamesh, I think we should just follow the conditions that I copy again here (valid for choice #1, a tournament winner may buy a ticket if) :
* No more than 2 players obtained the best score in the tournament. There's no winner otherwise.
* The player's TER must not be more than 200 points below the low rating limit of the waiting list.
* At most 2 players may buy a ticket to enter the same waiting list.
* The possibility to buy a ticket is valid up to 2 months after the end of the tournament and only after the official end of the tournament [when the tournaments list shows winners, not leaders of the tournament].
* The player's account must be credited of at least 10 Epoints.
Let's say the winner of a class B tournament then wins a class A tournament after having bought a ticket, he has good chances to see his rating increased after the next rating calculation and before that his possibility to buy a new ticket (for class M) expires. Maybe the possibility to buy a ticket should be valid 3 months, I'm not sure.
Mircea Hrubaru (2010-05-11 22:20:17)
Georges Stibal dies on May 1st, 2010
May he rest in peace! I had a game against him, a very interesting one.
Philip Roe (2010-05-12 01:07:56)
A suggestion
Don, Somone who is not as nice as you might move against players who are not present, so as to put extra time on their clock.
Don Groves (2010-05-12 05:37:23)
A suggestion
Philip, This happens all the time anyway since we have players from around the world. When I log on, usually very few of my opponents are online, sometimes none.
Garvin Gray (2010-05-12 08:51:01)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
To answer one point, as opposed to point one hehe.
While it is true with hard work and good results, it is possible to get into the very high rating groups, the way this site works makes it very difficult indeed.
In fact, it is more likely that a persons rating will stay the same or reduce due to the fact that more players come into the system, take away rating points from those with established ratings and this keeps happening.
With how this site is set up, there are very few opportunities for players in the 2100 rating group to get back those points by playing opponents in the 2200-2300 or more as it stands atm.
So it is highly likely that a player, or players, could be improving their games, but their rating does not improve because they do not have the opportunity to improve their rating because they do not play people rated above them as much as they are playing people rated below them.
Garvin Gray (2010-05-12 08:55:30)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Options 1 and 6 are the only options in my opinion.
As I have already commented many times now, if you allow people to just buy their way in, then it creates disadvantages for those without much money and goes against the grain of this whole site.
While I am voting for option 1, if it is a choice between anyone can pay to enter a division up or there are no promotion opportunities at all, I WILL CHANGE MY VOTE TO OPTION 6- NO CHANGE AT ALL.
Garvin Gray (2010-05-12 08:59:48)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Thib- I really think this voting idea is the wrong direction indeed.
The number of votes that you will receive will be so small as a representative of the whole site that it is not representative at all.
Furthermore, those voting most likely will not have read all of the history, counter-arguments and posts that have been made explaining why things are being proposed.
I am getting quite frustrated at reading some of the posts. I really would just like to see option 1 enacted by yourself, even for a trial period of one year.
One year might seem like a long time, but considering that this rule would only apply from when new tournaments have started, it could take a while for tournament winners to become apparent and then for them to accept their entry and then for those 'going up' to have achieved results that are worthy of analysis.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-05-12 16:42:29)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Eliminating the voice of the players down to just one being more representative. Now that is an original thought. I think many of us here are weary of this proposal.
Thibault I trust your judgement. Whatever you wish, is ok with me.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-12 16:51:21)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Not exactly a vote Garvin, anyway a few opinions are much better than nothing and still matter to discuss.
My answer to Scott & Tano-Urayoán : I agree that none of these proposals is more fair than the current rules, but here is why at least choice #1 has also many advantages, for FICGS but also for the players : Of course, those who made it the hardest way like Wayne may feel that this is unfair to change the rules, but rules constantly evolve & this would be really a minor change (in the case of choice #1). The point is that while e.g. IECG uses this promotion system, it is unfair the same way that a player from IECG can register at FICGS with his IECG rating that benefited of this rule. From the start FICGS rules were harder than IECG rules when registering, but as ratings move faster here I thought that it would be a compensation, but it is not a reason enough not to improve the rules again if possible.
The reality according to me : choice #1 is less fair than current rules, and choice #4 is even more unfair, but the current rules aren't so fair either. Rules that would be completely fair may exist but would have too many bad consequences for sure, and at least FICGS would not have been a success by using it. Anyway, I will not take any decision today, let's wait for some more arguments, the whole discussion is actually even more interesting than the point that is discussed in. Finally, I'm quite favourable to try (as Garvin suggested) the choice #1 and discuss the consequences after a few months.
William Taylor (2010-05-12 17:53:24)
Rybka 4, news, tests & results
I was under the impression it was being released as normal, but there may be a stronger version held in reserve for the online thing.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-05-12 19:08:03)
I need a break !
Dear friends,
Day after day, i am getting addicted to playing chess at this forum as well as other servers. I think it is time for me to cater and spend some valuable time with my lovely family. I am damn sure that i am failing to perform the responsibilities of a loved husband and father towards my little daughter and my adorable wife. And here I made the decision.
I am gonna quit playing for present, not sure when i will be back (i may come back). But i need to do a severe restructuring of my entire personal life. Balance things. I can be a good player when i have a good family and for that I need to perform (every individual) needs to perform his or her obligations.
I am honored and highly indebted to you guys who played with me and gave me a chance to showcase my skills.
I render my sincerest thanks to each and every player.. As a beginning, i am resigning all my games here and I wont be in action for indefinite period.
Good Luck all, you guys simply rock !!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-12 20:02:29)
I need a break !
I support you as well in this decision, chess (like other things) may be a trap for sure, particularly when one have a family and so on...
Good luck friend! Have a nice time...
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2010-05-13 03:25:06)
Rybka 4, news, tests & results
This was posted in the Hiarcs forum by Harvey Williamson:" Now it is all over it is time to share a little secret. The day before the World Championship final in Sofia started I had a conversation with Vishy's team. For the duration of the match they have had access to my fast 8/16 core machine as well as all my databases and Hiarcs opening books. Also, of course, all the engines on my machine. I Hope this managed to negate slightly the fact that Topalov had access to the latest Rybka on its Cluster for a few months leading up leading up to the final."
Benjamin Block (2010-05-13 14:47:40)
A suggestion
Change order of witch game... When i surfing on my Nintendo DS. I use the mobile version of ficgs. It is very good but my DS can only do the poker games, the other one is too wide. The thing that would be great is, if it would show all the poker games that it is my turn in, first. Then the other. It would save me a lots of time and job ("go to next game").
Wayne Lowrance (2010-05-13 18:20:15)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Been giving a lot of thought to this post. At first I was opposed to it. I think primarily maybe I was influenced by my thinking " I climbed through the levels", so anyone can if they dedicate the effort as I did.
Now I am swayed to support Garvin Grey posting ideas.
I recognize very well that there are many players qualified to move up but find it frustrating to make headway.
It comes down to this. Chances are if they win a class tournament, they probably deserve to advance an level. If not competitive, they will not stay at that level. So anyhow I am posting as to what I believe the proposal #1 is in fact.
- Winners of any standard (class) or rapid tournament, whatever the game, may buy a ticket for 10 Epoints to enter the waiting list for the next tournament category according the following conditions :
* No more than 2 players obtained the best score in the tournament. There's no winner otherwise.
* The player's TER must not be more than 200 points below the low rating limit of the waiting list.
* At most 2 players may buy a ticket to enter the same waiting list.
* The possibility to buy a ticket is valid up to 2 months after the end of the tournament and only after the official end of the tournament [when the tournaments list shows winners, not leaders of the tournament].
* The player's account must be credited of at least 10 Epoints.
That is a paste of your thread Thibault.
If that is what you and Garvin want or close to it then I say why not ! Give it a go.
Wayne
William Taylor (2010-05-14 13:03:40)
Big chess engine
The prevailing opinion in this forum has always been that the huge board would make an engine really hard or impossible. That doesn't seem to be the case at talkchess so far.
Garvin Gray (2010-05-15 11:43:02)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Thank you for your compliment Wayne.
Another benefit is that it will allow the higher divisions to fill quicker, allowing more games between the top players.
I quite often see posts asking for more players to join the top divisions. With this idea, while it will mean one person from the lower group, it will still allow more games between the 6 'genuine' people in that division.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-05-16 21:42:34)
Quick review Chess Engines
Howdy, Rybka 4 Beta 5 is out for beta testing. It is much too early to draw conclusions regarding elo strength. So far it is not looking great.
Many of the bugs from R3 are at present in R5 beta. For example the tablebase bug, bishop under promotion still not fixed, 5.04/5.12 bug tree search is reportedly still there.
In addition It is said to have severe time problem.
This is a summary of what I have been reading. But, these reports are beta remember. So R4 may still be top program after release.
In the mean time Stockfish and fire are 2 programs that are right there with rybka3 and maybe a little stronger. On my computer testing R3 is still tops.
Now, there is a new program, Houdini is available. I downloaded it this morning and have been running eng-eng matches with R3, 2 threads. So far Houdini is holding it's own. You can download the program here.
http://www.cruxis.com/chess/houdini.htm
I think CC players now have many equally strong engines available to help with their Centaur abilities and should be interesting to see the progressions
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-17 20:16:52)
Big chess engine
Of course we do not need an engine, but it would be really interesting to see a program playing Big Chess IMO. It would reveal the real complexity of the game. I don't think it would ruin the fun as most Big Chess moves are equally playable in most cases....
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-17 23:18:18)
Question
Still thinking about the last Garvin's idea... the real question is IMO: can one estimate that it is fair that a player who is 50 elo points below the rating cutoff, let's say a player rated 2150, have the same right than the winner of a previous class A tournament to buy a ticket for the next class M tournament?
There are advantages to this idea of course, a problem is that there will be even less possibilites for tournaments winners to have a ticket... (well, it goes in the other way also)
I like the idea though... My personal answer to this question would be probably: All this is far too complicated to be summarized this way to this question, winning a tournament IS a matter of chance also, winning a game IS a matter of chance (we prefer to call it statistics) also, and this rule, whatever the details, IS unfair anyway. So there is no clear answer IMHO, but if someone has one, please share it now :)
Garvin Gray (2010-05-18 06:46:22)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
If you want a rule for this, then I guess it has to be in TER order at the time the next tournament is going to start.
But that does make setting up each tournament more complex.
Or you can let the 'market' decide for you by taking the first person to enter is the person that accepted into the higher division.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-20 15:28:19)
Late resignation
Hi Arno, best is to call the referee a first time (most often it is enough), see the rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications
It was not so easy to build rules that fit to everyone (centaurs & non-centaurs), so you may have to play a few moves yet, but not so many in loooong & obvious endgames.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-20 23:48:59)
Updated !
As you may have seen, the FICGS rules have been updated with the rule that was discussed here...
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tickets
This is still an experiment, let's see the benefits (for waiting lists & future prizes), it may be changed yet.
If you just won a tournament, you should have received an email explaining all this.
Richard Doughty (2010-05-21 07:55:23)
Blitz Games
it would help if the animation speed was a little slower
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-21 14:03:11)
Blitz Games
Hmm, actually there's no "animation", the piece disappears from a square, appears to another... dunno if I can change that without a flash anim.
About the highlighted square, this is on the wishlist, sorry for the delay :/
Thibault de Vassal (2010-05-27 00:13:35)
Number of rated FIDE players
There would be 116,362 rated FIDE players all over the world within 143 federations (most important ones are Germany, Russia, Spain, France and India.. only 26 of them have more than 1000 rated players, e.g. only 398 rated players in China)
A Chessbase article that is worth to read!
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6364
Ulrich Imbeck (2010-05-31 00:53:13)
GO: Game 32800
http://senseis.xmp.net/?HowToRespondToAnApproach is a link for beginners like me :-)
Wayne Lowrance (2010-06-01 22:35:19)
Rybka 4!
not impressive
Wayne Lowrance (2010-06-02 01:57:19)
Rybka 4!
I am not trying to discourage anyone from buying R4, not at all, I purchased it.
I am just going by my quick blush testing, and I am not very impressed. I ran a 50 game match with fire 3.1.1 and the results were about equal.
You know guys, I would rate at R3+ as it has some of the annoying bugs fixed.
BTH. I have not yet able to get"large Pages to work" should add up to 10 elo, but not on my comp which will be somewhat less.
I will be happy to put the engine up for bronze games for evaluation,
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-02 18:28:31)
Incredible poker hand
Another interesting one, here Rolf Staggat vs. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff... when the Flush becomes Straight Flush against Full House... 170 chips this time.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=41893&move=373
Lazaro Munoz (2010-06-03 19:23:41)
Number of rated FIDE players
FIDE has always had a bit of an elitist streak with rating, but also most national tournament administrator do not send in tournament reports from local events to them so that is another reason why do not the expected bell curve of ratings.
The traditional method for a lower rated player to get a FIDE rating was to play in major open event such as the World Open and hopefully play against a FIDE rated player. But since these events are broken in under-xxxx (by ratings) sections, most lower rated players never get a chance to play against a rated opponent unless they were brave enough to enter to top open section.
ICCF had a similar elitist attitude but that has changed in recent years; however at in countries that have a established national CC federation, you use to need to be a member of one to play; it use to be you needed to be invited by your national federation, but that part has changed and as long as you a member of national CC organization you can enter any ICCF that you qualify for (based on ratings).
BTW, ICCF has announced a Webserver open tournament that is free to anyone that does not currently have an ICCF rating. If you have one (ICCF rating) you can join via your national fed or at the ICCF site; I found that the ICCF site was more expensive than going through the national federation.
--laz
Peter Marriott (2010-06-03 20:44:26)
Rybka 4!
Thib, Firebird was changed to Fire because someone emailed Norman and asked him to change the name because I guess a company name is Firebird...So Norman simply shortened it to "Fire". Fire 1.31 is new, but I don't think there is an elo increase.
Peter Marriott (2010-06-03 20:48:56)
Fire 1.31 vs. Rybka 4
You mean 1.2 is stronger than 1.3? I don't think so, 1.3 definitely stronger, maybe not by much, but stronger. 1.31 is a maintenance release, not 1.3. If you wanna know specifically what the improvements are, go to: http://www.chesslogik.com/fire.htm
Wayne Lowrance (2010-06-04 00:39:43)
Fire 1.31 vs. Rybka 4
! implied that 1.3.1 is stronger than 1.3.0 But maybe not. I have some testing results using Nunn2 database, eng-eng.
R4- Fire: 9-6=15 I terminated match.
R4-Stockfish: 15-11=24
Not making claims for strength just my short results thus far. But I like R4, lots of settings to play with. BTW R4 settings were not default.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-07 20:58:08)
Problème d'affichage
Bonjour Vincent, étrange je ne constate aucun problème... je vois que vous avez joué déjà quelques coups donc cela est très récent ? Les navigateurs sont parfois capricieux, peut être faut-il faire le ménage dans le cache et recharger la page. Le navigateur a-t-il bien l'autorisation de charger toutes les images et d'exécuter les javascript (pour la procédure move_express en tout cas) ? L'un ou l'autre de ces paramètres manquants peuvent provoquer ce genre de choses.
Vincent Dups (2010-06-07 22:34:07)
Problème d'affichage
Bonjour,
Merci à vous pour votre retour. En fait cela fonctionne bien sur mon ordinateur de boulot mais je n'y ait pas accès tout le temps.
En modifiant les préférences et en passant en petit échiquier j'ai au moins un échiquier carré mais par contre les cavaliers noirs ne s'affichent pas et je ne peux pas les activer.
Sinon Java est activé, tout est à jour et je ne comprends vraiment pas !
Dommage !
Encore merci à vous en tout cas.
Bien cordialement.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-07 23:41:27)
Problème d'affichage
Les cavaliers noirs uniquement ? Vraiment bizarre... Je ne peux que conseiller de vider le cache des navigateurs et d'effectuer un reload de la page. Je ne vois pas d'où peut venir un tel problème à part du cache, toutes mes excuses :/
Cordialement,
Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-11 19:36:43)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
Hi all, I guess that this FIFA world cup 2010 is worth a discussion :)
So there are now 32 teams in the race... Any predictions on who will reach the 1/8 finals, 1/4 finals, 1/2 finals and final match?
Full list of teams:
South Africa, Ghana, Côte d’Ivoire, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, Australia, Japan, Korea Republic, Korea DPR, Brazil, Paraguay, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, Honduras, Uruguay, England, Netherlands, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Serbia, Italy, Switzerland, Slovakia, Greece, Slovenia, Portugal, France, United States, New Zealand
A way for me to see how many chances you give to France for this one (at least we can do better than in the Eurovision contest :))
By the way, why there are 2 Korean teams this time? I couldn't believe that "Korea DPR" is North Korea !?? Do you know something on this?
Don Groves (2010-06-13 00:29:20)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
It should be a great tournament. There is no dominant team the time, several teams have decent chances...
Don Groves (2010-06-14 04:17:54)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
OK, I'll go out on a limb, and pick Germany.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-14 22:26:02)
10 moves rule for Poker
An interesting case... a Poker holdem game finished after only 6 moves (6 played by each player)! The winner was surprised to see that he didn't win any rating point, indeed there's a rule at FICGS (11.6) that says : "Games are not rated for the winner if less than 10 moves have been played by his opponent (most probably forfeit, silent withdrawal or obvious cheating)"
Another reason for this rule is that any player who lose to another one in less than 10 moves is most probably overrated so he should lose some points but his opponent may not win points, so I think that this rule may be ok for poker as well (and I'm not sure if playing all-in each time deserves to win some points :)), but I'd prefer to read some other opinions anyway.
What do you think?
Francisco Gramajo (2010-06-15 01:44:15)
10 moves rule for Poker
My oponent CALLED ALL-IN with better cards than me in three times.
He had top pair 1st.
Better pair
and A-K
<CR>
We are playing one to one poker (Heads Up) In the real life I saw many Heads Up matches end up in the 1st hand.
<CR>
This Rule must be voided for poker.
Garvin Gray (2010-06-16 10:39:01)
Browser password issue
Hello,
Was wondering if anyone is experiencing this issue.
For the last few days or so, my net browser, be it either firefox or google chrome will not keep my password stored.
This means each time I need to keep having to ask for a new password, which gets very frustrating having to do this with each session login.
Does anyone know why this is occurring? I am using the left login option most of the time.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-16 14:19:03)
Browser password issue
Hi Garvin,
Actually from the start of FICGS, the left login form did never store the password because it is a security issue... The right form stores it.
As for me I always use the left login and retype my password each time, I prefer like this.
Don Groves (2010-06-17 01:25:53)
10 moves rule for Poker
I agree with Francisco on this. The length of a poker match should be decided by the cards that are dealt and the players' betting decisions with those cards. To make an artificial limit opposes this basic idea.
Poker is not like Chess and Go where games normally never end in less than ten moves. In those games, the ten move rule makes sense for the cases of silent withdrawals and players who never even begin a game.
Garvin Gray (2010-06-17 01:50:54)
10 moves rule for Poker
I also agree with not having the 10 move rule for poker. If players want to just keep going all in and lose in less than 10 moves, they should not be protected from losing rating points.
Having the knowledge that you could lose rating points regardless of the length of the game might deter some players from the all in practice described above.
Or, having the 10 move rule could serve as an encouragement to try going all in all the time as their rating is protected if they lose.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-17 02:01:55)
10 moves rule for Poker
Okay, a solution could be to keep this rule only if the game is lost on time or resigned... which was not the case here.
Garvin Gray (2010-06-17 06:14:11)
10 moves rule for Poker
Only for lost on time.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-17 14:00:00)
10 moves rule for Poker
"Or, having the 10 move rule could serve as an encouragement to try going all in all the time as their rating is protected if they lose."
Their rating is NOT protected if they lose before the 10th move. This rule concerns the winner only.
Sophie Leclerc (2010-06-18 02:58:26)
Great
HI..
First of all, I am sorry for being not there and the worst friend possible, Yugi is very angry at me, (Ouch on me, but I earn it. )
This rules is a great one,in order to lose in less then ten move, someone has to go all-in very quickly, and it won't happen often, that very aggressive players always get A-K, A-Q, AA, in whose cases, all-in on the first turn could be justified, but imprudent. Tought, the rule is a low limit.
Rolf Staggat (2010-06-25 18:46:51)
post music band of your country here :)
Best German rock-singer of all times:
Inga Rumpf
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U8jHAFLDazc
Keep on going, Inga !
Wayne Lowrance (2010-06-25 21:03:22)
Save/Reload hash in Rybka
Howdy all. I am very excited. I just learned how to use the above option found in Engine folder. All these years I have never used it, never understood it, so saw no need.
I am on Rybka forum all the time and saw this talked about. What a great tool in my opinion. Here is how it works.
How many times have you ran infinite analysis only to have to shut down or reboot etc. If you do it you loose all of Rybka analysis accumulated to that point and a complete loss of time.
For example:
suppose Rybka has been analysing for hours and is a depth 26 current. Before rebooting Rybka go to engine folder and tick "save hash" All of Rybka current positional analysis collected up to 26 is then saved in a file you create.
When you restart Rybka, load your game and go to engine folder in Rybka, tick "load hash" and start. Rybka will begin at depth 26 where it left off from your hash save.
Golly Terrific.
Wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2010-06-28 18:40:50)
Save/Reload hash in Rybka
Howdy. I had all sorts of trouble with it too. I finally posted it on Rybka forum. But first, I am not sure your going about it correct. You just need to go to select new engine, then set engine parameters, and there you find save/load hash. Sounds like your getting to this point anyways.
Ok, I paste what was told me at the forum.
This is msg I get when ticking Save Hash (Save hash failed). I created a folder R4.rsh
but apparently it is not found the path is:
C:\users\administration\documents\ChessBase\nogames\EngineParameters\Deep Rybka 4x64\R4.rsh
What am I doing wrong. R4 manual no help.
Fritz12 GUI & Vsta
That was question post:
I think you need to create a file not a folder. :grin:
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...
Reply Report
this is 1 of 2 responses. Other is from Vas himself as follows.
You need to create a dummy file - you can just do that with notepad or something.
This last was from Vas.
Ok, summary :) All you have to do is create a file.rsh: (By the way, My Son stopped bye and he said "dad I will do it for you)" So he created the dummy file "file.rsh". works fine :)
Hope this helps, Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-28 20:44:06)
Encyclopedia of gambits
I guess that many of you read the interesting Chessbase article by Kavalek :
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6460
The link to the encyclopedia of gambits by Marco Saba was a surprise to me... really interesting, and a huge work!
http://studimonetari.org/edg/
I picked up a few ideas for the next chess thematic tournaments, so there may be the next ones in the future :
Aasum [Van Geet: Hector Gambit] 1.Nc3 d5 2.e4 de4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.f3
Abonyi-Tennison [Reti: Tennison Gambit Accepted] 1.Nf3 d5 2.e4 de4 3.Ng5
[KGA: Allgaier Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ng5 h6 6.Nf7
"Anti-Stonewall" [Dutch: Alapin] 1.d4 f5 2.Qd3 d5 3.g4
[Budapest: Alekhine, Balogh Gambit] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de5 Ng4 4.e4 d6
Banzai-Leong [French] 1.e4 e6 2.b4
Batavo [Bird: Batavo Gambit] 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.e4
Beyer c.g. [Blackmar-Diemer: Beyer Countergambit] 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5
Birmingham [Polish: Birmingham Gambit] 1.b4 c5
Blackburne - I [Scandinavian: 2.exd5] 1.e4 d5 2.ed5 c6
Böhnke [Scandinavian: Böhnke Gambit] 1.e4 d5 2.ed5 e5
Breyer [KGA: Breyer Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef4 3.Qf3
De Smet [Nimzowitsch Defence: 2.d4 e5 3.dxe5] 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 e5 3.de5 d6
[Diemer-Duhm Gambit (DDG) vs. Slav/Caro-Kann] 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.e4
Gaga [King's Gambit Accepted (KGA)] 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef4 3.g3
Halasz - II [Sicilian: Halasz Gambit] 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cd4 3.f4
Hickmann [English: Anglo-Dutch] 1.c4 f5 2.e4 fe4 3.d3
Hjoerring c.g. [Benko Gambit] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.e4
Jerome [Giuoco Piano: Jerome Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Bf7
Krejcik [Dutch: Krejcik Gambit] 1.d4 f5 2.g4
Lasa [Open Game: Lopez/Mcleod, Lasa Gambit] 1.e4 e5 2.c3 f5
Lasker - III [Bird: From Gambit Accepted] 1.f4 e5 2.fe5 f6
Omega [Indian: Omega Gambit] 1.d4 Nf6 2.e4
Vector [English: Vector] 1.c4 d5 2.cd5 c6
Wheeler [Nimzowitsch Defence: Wheeler Gambit] 1.e4 Nc6 2.b4
Zilbermints - III [Queen's Gambit] 1.d4 d5 2.c4 b5
"Zurigo" [Queen's Pawn Game] 1.d4 d5 2.g4
If you notice more interesting openings, do not hesitate to suggest it here...
Francisco Gramajo (2010-06-28 22:43:07)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
At this time... I am predicting the final will be Brasil - Germany
going to be an historic game!
Brittany Smith (2010-06-29 00:42:14)
Speeding up Poker games
I've gotta say, the duration of poker games is rather tedious. ): Considering the varying time zones, there should be multiple options for time Controls, that I agree with. I also agree that maybe there should be more variation in the "best-ofs".
Instead of 60 days, how about 30 or 20? 25? I also think that conditional moves are much too complicated for poker. o:
Ilmars Cirulis (2010-06-29 11:23:20)
Encyclopedia of gambits
Fried Liver attack is good for thematics, imo
Thibault de Vassal (2010-06-29 12:28:42)
Speeding up Poker games
50 hands is the minimum to avoid a too high chancy factor, IMO. A few games are very long (longest almost 1650 moves played by each player), but that's necessary. We have to find another way... We will find, question of time!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-03 13:03:04)
FIDE ratings july 2010
Once again, Magnus Carlsen makes the news with the 2nd highest rating ever reached (2826)...
Rank Name Title Nation Rating
1 Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2826
2 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2803
3 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2800
4 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2790
5 Aronian, Levon g ARM 2783
6 Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar g AZE 2761
7 Grischuk, Alexander g RUS 2760
8 Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2755
9 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2749
10 Radjabov, Teimour g AZE 2748
11 Karjakin, Sergey g RUS 2747
12 Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2739
13 Gelfand, Boris g ISR 2739
14 Ponomariov, Ruslan g UKR 2734
15 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2734
16 Leko, Peter g HUN 2734
17 Malakhov, Vladimir g RUS 2732
18 Navara, David g CZE 2731
19 Nakamura, Hikaru g USA 2729
20 Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2726
21 Wang, Hao g CHN 2724
22 Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime g FRA 2723
23 Movsesian, Sergei g SVK 2723
24 Vitiugov, Nikita g RUS 2722
25 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2720
26 Gashimov, Vugar g AZE 2719
27 Almasi, Zoltan g HUN 2717
28 Wang, Yue g CHN 2716
29 Dominguez Perez, Leinier g CUB 2716
30 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2715
31 Kamsky, Gata g USA 2713
32 Jobava, Baadur g GEO 2710
33 Tomashevsky, Evgeny g RUS 2708
34 Nepomniachtchi, Ian g RUS 2706
35 Adams, Michael g ENG 2706
36 Onischuk, Alexander g USA 2701
37 Nielsen, Peter Heine g DEN 2700
38 Kasimdzhanov, Rustam g UZB 2699
39 Caruana, Fabiano g ITA 2697
40 Fressinet, Laurent g FRA 2697
41 Vallejo Pons, Francisco g ESP 2697
42 Bologan, Viktor g MDA 2695
43 Alekseev, Evgeny g RUS 2691
44 Akopian, Vladimir g ARM 2691
45 Timofeev, Artyom g RUS 2690
46 Short, Nigel D g ENG 2690
47 Efimenko, Zahar g UKR 2689
48 Rublevsky, Sergei g RUS 2688
49 Miroshnichenko, Evgenij g UKR 2686
50 Motylev, Alexander g RUS 2685
Rolf Staggat (2010-07-06 11:43:46)
Speeding up Poker games
In two games I play since 18 months... Please try "rapid"-games, maybe in smaller groups than 7. 10 days + 12 hours sounds good to me, maximum 30 days (not 100).
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-06 17:55:40)
Speeding up Poker games
(thinking... thinking...)
okay I agree that the accumulated 100 days limit is not relevant for poker games, I just changed it to 60 days for poker holdem! That's a lot yet but thus players will always see their clock running (as 60 is also the time per move limit) which may have a psychological effect... Let's see how this work as a first step.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-07 13:33:08)
Round-robin stages in the chess WCH
Just a word on stage 1 & stage 2 for the chess WCH round-robin tournaments: I understand the disappointment of players who share 1st place but do not qualify while some others do... Sometimes we need a few more players to build 7 players tournaments, in this case most often players who share 1st place are ordered by place in the tournament, then by current rating. As there are many special & complex cases though, the official rule is "Players may be invited to complete a group or to replace a forfeiting player".
I know that the round-robin system may be quite frustrating (that's why I wanted the knockout in parallel that I'm sure now it's more interesting & fair) for the players who share 1st place, particularly in the round-robin final (Alberto Gueci knows that..... he shared many first places before to play the knockout matches), but the round-robin is the only way so that everyone can play and once again the idea is: "if you share first place but you didn't qualify, at least you won rating points for the next cycle". I have no idea of a better system...
Francisco Gramajo (2010-07-09 20:22:16)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
@Rolf Staggat
Korean Soccer Success Secret
Look at the players, they are similar, they just use the hair diferent.
At the half time they put to play a new set of 10 players, no body notice the diference.
Vadim Khachaturov (2010-07-10 07:48:17)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
Spain has been owed the Holland little bit since 1983. Maybe tomorrow will be a time to pay off.
Rolf Staggat (2010-07-12 14:23:33)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
@Francisco
Sorry, Francisco, but the North-Korean players are NOT similar, and they are well-known in Europe. One of them now plays in Bochum, Germany. Another one in Rostow, Russia. Some play in Japan and South-Korea. They all look different, maybe not for you, but for me. Ask the South-Korean player CHA, he is born in Germany, he knows them all.
Francisco Gramajo (2010-07-12 22:33:01)
FIFA world cup 2010, predictions
@Rolf Staggat @Francisco
I was in korea for a while, at the begining was hard for me to diference one from other, they look similar, and believe it or not, every body is named Park, Kim, Lee or Chiung.
Seriously... the few Koreans who can get any atlhetic training becoming super athletes, that is for sure!
Another important note: most of the population dont believe in God, not in Jesus, even tough they have more respect from each other than the christians.
My highly respects for all them.
Regards to all,
Jeroen Van Assche (2010-07-14 17:51:07)
Wch 7 Group N 01 (chess)
Hi Thibault
I won this tournament, but I'm not in round 2 of the 7th Wch cycle. Does this mean I immediately qualified for the Round Robin final (like in the M-groups)? Or did you forget me ;-)?
When I read this post I thought nobody from this tournament would advance immediately to the final.
Jeroen
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-15 16:45:22)
How to link?
Hi Svante Carl, you may open the homepage www.ficgs.com in your browser, then follow TOURNAMENTS, you'll find the public links to the tournaments & games.
The public link to any game is displayed at the bottom of the pages user_page.php?page=viewer&game=xxxx, it looks like www.ficgs.com/game_xxxx.html
Not the simpliest way, but anyway I'll add a small script to redirect from user_page.php to the public pages if the visitor is not logged in.
Ulrich Imbeck (2010-07-15 19:00:23)
How to link?
Is your way more safety?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-25 18:56:22)
Layout improvement
I'm now trying a few improvements for the layout (mainly for the fast moves process), please report if something displays badly because of a long name, tournament's name, anything... Feedback is welcome :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-27 00:12:45)
Layout improvement
I just added a "next / list" option in My games (the same one than "next" option in Preferences, but the change remains only during the session), which makes it easier to change the option - available only with the fast moves process.
In my opinion the "next" option is great when combined to the poker games filter... Then when you're done with poker, you may change to "list" and no filter to play your other games... I feel I save more time this way.
Any opinion ?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-07-28 16:21:55)
Match vs. ICCF
No, there were no FICGS vs. ICCF match yet. We lost our two previous matches against IGAME.RU (with engines, against a very strong team mainly from Ukraine! the site died since that time) & GAMEKNOT (without engines).
I doubt that ICCF will be interested in playing such a match (maybe Gino or anyone involved can say it), but maybe someone can throw the idea in the ICCF forum, like I did in RybkaForum... who knows after all.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-07-28 20:49:27)
Match vs. ICCF
Dear Thib,
I think Riccio, Eros (Italian guy) is also an active member at ICCF. Let's see if he can oblige your request and create a post at the ICCF forum. I do not know how well you know him, but you can ask :)
Kamesh Nookala (2010-07-28 21:37:36)
Match vs. ICCF
Unfortunately, I have this tendency of getting carried away too far in minutes.. Perhaps i was born a Rocket last birth. I just gave an idea, which will develop further (i hope atleast) and for the time being, I will try to control myself :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-01 15:50:59)
Match vs. ICCF
Salut Xavier ! Merci pour la proposition, et en effet (mis à part le fait que j'aie du mal à trouver de bonnes raisons à l'ICCF de jouer un tel match - à part la passion de la compétition) l'un des problemes majeurs dans l'idée est que quasiment tous les meilleurs joueurs du site sont également actifs à l'ICCF... A chacun de choisir peut être, ou bien seuls les joueurs actifs sur un site seulement pourraient jouer, pas de choix simple :/
________
Well, Xavier may submit the idea directly to the ICCF president, but one more obvious problem is that most of the best FICGS players are also active members at ICCF... If such a match would happen, the selected players would have to choose... Or only players active at one server only may be included in a team... no easy choice :/
Or maybe FICGS, ICCF and players wouldn't care about all this and only want a nice match that wouldn't mean anything, why not :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-03 12:46:54)
Congratulations to "FSF en passant"
Finally here are the final results !!!
"FSF En passant" won this very interesting tournament by 1 point ahead of 2 teams !! The suspense was until the very last games to know the final team ranks.
The fact to note: Yellow Blue warriors finish second while they were actually 3 players in the team, Yura Lemekhov played an amazing tournament (5.5/6 , perf 2456) ... (the last player stopped to play :/)
Thanks to all players, it was lots of fun! I'll try to make the things clearer in the tournaments pages for the next edition...
10 points for : FSF En Passant
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2270)
Volker Koslowski (2264)
Sebastian Boehme (2175)
Roland Markus (2096)
9 (tot: 15.5) points for : The knights who say "Ni"
Michael Aigner (2602)
Xavier Pichelin (2577)
Hannes Rada (2559)
Thibault de Vassal (2473)
9 (tot: 13.5) points for : Yellow-Blue Warriors
Iouri Basiliev (2173)
Dmytro Romaniuk (1937)
Ostap Hladky (2176)
Yura Lemehov (2171)
8 points for : The Dark Knights
William Taylor (2140)
Scott Nichols (2089)
Don Groves (1991)
Josef Riha (1989)
4 points for : Happy Pawn
Stephane Legrand (2209)
Garvin Gray (2125)
Daniel Parmet (1961)
Ilmar Cirulis (1805)
2 points for : Our team King
Alexander Blinchevsky
Stanimir Denchev
Benjamin Block
Ranganathan Raman
0 point for : The Ghost Knights
Vadim Khachaturov
Yugi Inving
Sophie Leclerc
Jorge Orden
Ni FSF Dark Happy Blue Ghost King
Aigner 1 = = = = =
Pich 0 = = 1 1 1
Rada = = 1 = 1 =
DeVas = = 1 0 1 1
0 Lehnh = = = = =
1 Koslo = = 1 1 1
= Boehm = 1 = 1 1
= Marku = 1 = 1 1
= = Taylo = = = =
= = Nicho = 1 1 1
= = Grove = 0 1 =
= = Riha 1 0 1 1
= = = Legra = = =
= = = Gray 1 1 1
0 0 = Parmet 0 1 =
0 0 0 Ciruli 0 1 1
= = = = Basili = 1
0 0 0 0 Romani 0 0
= = 1 1 Hladky 1 =
1 = 1 1 Lemekh 1 1
= 1 = = = Khacha =
0 0 0 0 1 Inving 0
0 0 0 0 0 Lecler 0
0 0 0 0 0 Orden 1
= = = = 0 = Blinch
0 0 0 0 1 1 Denchev
= 0 = = = 1 Block
0 0 0 0 0 0 Raman
"Team 1" - "Team 2" : points (score)
"Ni" - "FSF" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Happy" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Ni" - "YB" : 1-1 (2-2)
"Ni" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Ni" - "King" : 2-0 (3-1)
"FSF" - "Dark" : 1-1 (2-2)
"FSF" - "Happy" : 2-0 (3-1)
"FSF" - "YB" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"FSF" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"FSF" - "King" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "Happy" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Dark" - "YB" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
"Dark" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Dark" - "King" : 2-0 (3-1)
"Happy" - "YB" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
"Happy" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (3.5-0.5)
"Happy" - "King" : 2-0 (3-1)
"YB" - "Ghost" : 2-0 (2.5-0.5)
"YB" - "King" : 2-0 (2.5-1.5)
"Ghost" - "King" : 0-2 (1.5-2.5)
Definitely, even if the "Knights who say Ni" team decided before the match to play unusual openings in most games, this tournament shows again that the strength gap between top players and players rated 2150-2300 is not big at all as many of these players tend to reach the 2400 barrier...
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-08 13:12:37)
Stay on Same Board
Hi Phil, ok now I see what you mean : "redirected to the viewer page after playing your move", yes it could be useful for Poker (in the fast moves process). Ok, I could add a checkbox somewhere so that when one play a move, the next window be the viewer (to see the new card or result)... Added to the wishlist.
I had some busy times these last weeks but there should be numerous updates at the end of the month.
Scott Nichols (2010-08-09 21:12:59)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Just a note to say how this new rule is affecting at least one player here (me), :) I "earned" entry to a higher class tournament by winning the class just below. I paid my ten E-points and received entry into the next higher class. We have been playing for a while and I am holding my own ok. I have met new players and am overjoyed at the chance to play them. They are all friendly and welcoming. Life couldn't be better, ......but....... Maybe it's just me, but I feel at this point that I never REALLY earned my way into this realm. The old way was to suffer through months and years of climbing the rating ladder a little at a time and then finally reach that next level. Also, just my opinion, is that these days there really isn't a big difference in strengths between 1850 and 2450 given that we all have fast computers running on Rybka mostly. The difference I find is the human side of the ratings. The old days whether Shredder could beat Fritz, or Deep Junior could beat Hiarcs are long gone. So I guess what I'm trying to say without rambling any further, is that as much as I like playing in the higher section, I would prefer to "EARN" it the old way. Just one players opinion, Thank you
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-09 23:49:41)
Stay on Same Board
Lol Wayne! I know... sometimes I can make the changes within minutes, this one should be done soon but to highlight the squares for the 2nd previous move, I'll have to take some more time... The easiest things are usually done before the other ones, my bad :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-10 00:01:37)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
It is true that there isn't a big difference in strengths between "many" 2150 and 2450... That's a reason why this rule may be useful IMO, particularly while 2450 ratings are somewhat "protected", it is more an advantage for you than a disadvantage for 2450 players.
Anyway this is still an experiment... So far, only 2 or 3 players used such a ticket.
Don Groves (2010-08-10 10:00:19)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Scott: In a way you did earn it, you won a next lower rated tournament which "earned" you the right to play one time in a higher rated one. The purpose is to allow players to improve their ratings faster if they are good enough to win some games at the higher rating.
As you say though, and Thibault seems to agree, with fast processors and the best software, there isn't as much difference between players as there used to be.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-11 11:09:44)
Future Rating Question
No problem, it is always good to check from time to time if everything works fine :)
So, your current rating is now 2031.
1) Game 39469, win against TER 1980, more than 10 moves, the game counts! It is obvious when looking at the Opponents elo average in the Future rating : Games calculated : 1, Result : 100 %, Elo opponents : 1980
2) Game 45063 : less than 10 moves played.
3) Game 45064 : does not count, explained by the rule "The rating calculation does not take account of wins obtained by a stronger player when the Elo difference is greater than 350 points, the same with losses by a weaker player." <- see http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_chess
4) Game 45065 : same reason.
Of course you cannot win Elo points by beating opponents who are much weaker (even if you have to play them sometimes, e.g. in WCH tournaments)... That's the core of the Elo system.
Andres E. Leon (2010-08-11 14:35:34)
Future Rating Question
Thank you very much Thibault, now it is clear. My apologies to waste your time with such things. Thank you very much again and I take the opportunity to congratulate for building this place where all chess fans can play, and discuss about engines, data bases, etc..
Scott Nichols (2010-08-12 23:00:35)
Speeding up Poker games
A small suggestion that would help a little. Thib could you add a "fold" button for every hand. Many times, (more recently :) my down cards are sooo bad, I don't want to wait for the flop etc. I just want to chuck them and get on with the next hand. Does anybody else feel this way?
Steve Vollmer (2010-08-16 11:59:20)
Quote festival, part 6
Sir Frances Galton:
Men who leave their mark on the world are very often those who, being gifted and full of nervous power, are at the same time haunted and driven by a dominant idea, and are therefore within a measurable distance of insanity
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-16 14:55:01)
Tournament entry conditions
Hello Philip, thanks for warning me... I just removed the player from the waiting lists & sent him a message about this. If it happens again, I'll make some replacements.
Jay Melquiades (2010-08-17 20:05:55)
Speeding up Poker games
time controls here are too slow
tell that to those who play live :)
Daniel Parmet (2010-08-17 20:08:37)
Speeding up Poker games
time controls here are a joke. I love everything about this site and the hardwork that Thib has put in. Still I will not sugar coat it. A spade is a spade. The time controls are slower than molasses.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-18 00:07:41)
Speeding up Poker games
"Correspondence Poker" is not a so easy idea, even if I like the possibility to play only a few hands from time to time... Definitely some changes are needed, but we still need the good idea. Patience ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-18 17:12:00)
Speeding up Poker games
Okay Jay, just added the fold button when "check" is also possible...
Scott, I still do not agree with this as I think it's really important to avoid speed poker... Do other players agree with Scott there?
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2010-08-18 23:31:27)
Speeding up Poker games
In my opinion the new fold button is no improvement. It just confuses.
Sebastian Boehme (2010-08-19 01:29:35)
Speeding up Poker games
Maybe bringing up another idea related to speed up poker games.
What about creating an "upper time limit" for each poker game?!
Say 90 days per player for the entire game or another more suitable number. (matter of discussion and wishes of the community of course)
Just my 50 bucks added. ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-19 01:40:04)
Speeding up Poker games
Hi Sebi, would be too easy IMO :/ I don't think that such a solution could go without any problem... We must absolutely avoid that any game be lost on time by playing one move per day just when the opponent sleeps or something like that.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-20 02:13:44)
Speeding up Poker games
One thing is sure, we probably all have to take more time before to choose the right button now... I'm not sure it's worth it :/
Daniel Parmet (2010-08-30 07:59:57)
Quote festival, part 6
Darn good quotes even if they aren't mine! Sorry, I can't claim authorship of them though I liked them hence I repeated them. You can scroll up for some of mine.
Here is my grandfather's favorite quote.
"You live on through your good deeds and those that people that remember and cherish those memories" - Jim Wolf
Thibault de Vassal (2010-08-30 19:01:07)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6
Nothing so far but we have time. Maybe the next rating list will help...
Sebastian Boehme (2010-08-31 16:23:08)
Latest deletions of chat
Hi everyone,
is it just a feeling or does it so happen that more and more chat is simply being deleted?
I thought the idea of deleting chat was to get rid of very abusing chat only.
It seems this option is being abused though and now even used on rather neutral or friendly chat. What can there be done?
Scott Nichols (2010-08-31 16:34:23)
Latest deletions of chat
On a little variation of this subject. Thib, I was wondering if you could have the chat refresh each time the page does. Sometimes people reply or challenge or whatever and unless we manually refresh or we get a move we don't see the chat until it is to late.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-01 14:01:03)
Latest deletions of chat
Hi Philip, it is true that the interface is not so easy at the beginning... the mouse over the pics tell what's the click's effect. I don't know how to improve it yet but suggestions are welcome :)
Don, it wouldn't be a problem to do that but as the chat bar is available on all public pages as well, I prefer that everyone be able to moderate it quickly if necessary... I'll update it so that the posts be deleted when at least 2 or 3 persons click the arrows, then we will see...
Scott Nichols (2010-09-05 23:33:10)
Replacement in Class GM 2 & rapid SM 6
What is the time limit for replacing players? I have already finished all but one game in Rapid_SM__00006. It wouldn't seem right to add a player at this late stage.
Josef Riha (2010-09-08 18:03:34)
Magnus Carlsen vs. The World
At rwcc.g-star.com you can sign in and play as a member of the worldteam against Magnus Carlsen. Startdate is September 10th.
The team is supported by GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, GM Hikaru Nakamura and GM Judit Polgar.
Simone Calvello (2010-09-08 19:36:11)
Magnus Carlsen vs. The World
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6647
Here's Chessbase link. Here I saw that even Kasparov will give some tips to the World Team.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-11 20:25:34)
Next freestyle tournament
Hi Garvin, it will be the case... I was not sure about september week-ends and finally I shouldn't be able to organize it before October 16-17 which looks like a good time...
If anyone finds a good reason not to do it on October 16-17, please send me an email... I should announce the definitive choice in a few days.
Hannes Rada (2010-09-14 19:30:55)
Time control in GM 2 Tournament
Thibault, what happened with the time control in this tournament ?
Since the replacement there, we have only 30 days i.o. 40 days per 10 moves against Michael Aigner ??
Is this correct ?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-14 21:44:12)
Time control in GM 2 Tournament
Ah, it had to happen :) I made a mistake when I made the replacement with 30 days instead of 40... I've now corrected the games by adding 10 days to Michael and his opponents. Thanks !
Scott Nichols (2010-09-16 22:44:58)
Corr. Chess Maxims
We should start a list of Corr. chess maxims (rules of conduct). Some suggestions...#1. There is more honor in resigning than to just quit playing and leave. #2. Generally one offer of a draw is enough for at least 10 moves. #3. The player with the most to lose, e.g. rating points, should be the first to offer a draw.
I'm sure others have suggestions, :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-17 00:29:38)
Svante Carl von Erichsen on Go WCH #4
As you probably read in the news, Svante Carl von Erichsen won the 4th FICGS Go WCH, beating his challenger Huayong Yang 3-2, Svante Carl wins the Go championship for the 4th time in a row!
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000004
Svante Carl kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his match & computer Go:
FICGS - Hello Svante Carl, congratulations once again for winning
this match against a surprising challenger who started here a few
months ago with a 10 kyu rank, Huayong Yang, now rated 2438 after
scoring 2 points in your 5 games match (which is a great achievement
for sure). What did you think about his play & yours in these games?
Svante Carl - I think that he greatly underestimated his rank initially. As far as
I know, he had not played for a long time and believed that his
ability had therefore deteriorated. I do not think that you can drop
more than one or at most two stones, though -- it is like cycling or
swimming, you never unlearn it. I had the impression that we were
quite evenly matched in summa, but our strengths are in different
aspects of the game; I cannot really put my finger on the difference,
though.
FICGS - After a previous win, you said that you spend a quite long
time to analyze, which probably helps you to reach a higher level
than 2 dan (your EGF rating) compared to OTB play... It looks
obvious to me that correspondence chess moves generally ask for much
more time than Go moves at a high level but I may be wrong, how much
time did you spend on your longest analysis during the match? Do
you remember for which move?
Svante Carl - I usually spend at least a few minutes on each move, except when the
continuation is obvious. I often use more, and if I do not find a
satisfactory move then, I will even postpone the move to another
day, so that I can sleep over it and let my subconcious work on it.
FICGS - Do you watch other games played by your future opponent
before starting your match? Do you think that this is really important
in preparation like it can be in Correspondence chess?
Svante Carl - I sometimes glance over the games in the championship qualification tournament, but I do not try to prepare this way. I do not think that such preparation has any value in Go, especially in correspondence Go,
since you have time during the game to do deep analysis. I usually
try to take each game out of standard fuseki patterns pretty quickly,
anyway. Of course, I know that my opponents in these title matches
are always very tough and demand my utmost respect.
FICGS - Do you still follow the recent developments in computer Go?
What do you think about the latest Go engines? How much time do we
have yet before the best Go players are caught by computers according to you?
Svante Carl - I have the impression that the currently most promising technology
(Monte Carlo/UCT) has the potential to achieve a rank of about 2 or 3
dan (EGF/KGS). I think that the next fundamentally new idea or
breakthrough might add 2 stones, to get to 4 or 5 dan. I do not have
any idea where it might go from that, but I think that it gets always
harder.
What I would find interesting is having more intermediate board sizes.
The best bots are almost on par with the best professionals on 9x9
now. I would propose to try to achieve a similar level on 11x11, then
13x13, then 15x15 etc.. Regarding 9x9, I think that the currently
predominant komi of 7.5 points is too big, and that this has a
negative impact on the experiments because the bots do not play in a
balanced environment. It might be worthwhile to introduce the Taiwan
rule (last move compensation) to get more fine-grained scores.
FICGS - What programs did you use this year to analyze? (just trying, of course it may be part of your secrets ;))
Svante Carl - It is not a secret. I just use an editor, usually EidoGo or CGoban3, to visualize the variations I imagine.
FICGS - Finally, what thoughts would you like to share on your 5
games, that could help us not to miss the best times or to help us to understand the most complex moves...
Svante Carl - I cannot give a detailed commentary, but I can try to summarize my impressions.
I think that Game 5 was quite balanced until move 21, but I think that
the white invasion was a bit ambitious then. Of course, White did not
need to die there, but after moves 32-33 I think that Black had a good
result anyway (move 32 should go out faster in my opinion; note how
E14 helps Black in enclosing White).
In Game 3, I think things got quite difficult for White in the lower
left, but I let him take the initiative by backing off at move 35 (I
should have simply closed off F10 then). White gained control of the
centre as a result, and in the large endgame, I lost too many points there.
In Game 4, I fell behind in the opening through some slow moves (there
was some discussion on the Life-in-19x19 forum about this, see the
link in the comments of that game). In the endgame, Black then lost some points in the centre, so that I was a bit ahead when the game timed out.
In Game 1, I made some bad decisions on the left side, and never
managed to turn things around. I think I was behind by about 5 points in the end.
In Game 2, I think that Black should not have ignored move 24. After
I got quite some territory from my moyo and also reduced his top side, I could play it safe.
I look forward to the games with Olivier Drouot that recently started,
but I also hope that Yang Huayong will re-enter the championship cycle.
Garvin Gray (2010-09-17 09:29:23)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Time to look for new opponents when you have played the same person 30 times ;)
Sebastian Boehme (2010-09-17 19:25:48)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Good idea Scott!
Here comes my 50 Pence about this.
# A short welcome message at the start of the game is matter of politeness and shows respect to your opponent, the way you would want to be respected.
Sadly used by not all players.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-18 19:23:42)
Corr. Chess Maxims
I disagree with two of your ideas Scott. The first player to offer a draw should be the higher rated is wrong. And a draw can only be offered every 10 moves. These are clearly wrong ideas.
In fact you may recall from our own game, where you admitted to being wrong on said issue.
In general, I think it should be the person with the reason to play on should be the one to offer a draw. If its clearly so dead equal then either player. Definitely not by rating though.
Scott Nichols (2010-09-19 00:07:15)
Corr. Chess Maxims
It is precisely our game Daniel which brought up the draw offer maxim idea. To offer a draw every move or two is clearly distracting. Plus it also included the other maxim about rating differences. You were Black, about 80 points lower in rating, so I had the most to lose by accepting any draw offer.
Maybe in the endgame when it is a book draw, either player can offer the draw "once". But our game was barely out of the opening. Of course these are just "general rules of conduct" and each game is different. So I stand by my original ideas.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-19 00:17:31)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Our game was already a draw by my first draw offer on move 19. I offered a second draw on move 26 and the third and final draw which you accepted on move 38. You achieved zilch from an opening which has been known as a draw for 100 years. I could have offered a draw on move 4 and most people would accept it in that position.
Sorry but you have to prove your rating should be higher by playing real openings and outplaying the other person in them. Just stating well my rating is higher therefore you are never allowed to offer draws!!! is the most absurd logic I have ever heard.
Your own words on accepting the third draw offer were "You're right, this is a complete draw. Sorry for dragging it out."
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-19 00:57:47)
Corr. Chess Maxims
upon looking through my games I found only one instance where I went overboard on draw offers and my opponent asked me to stop at which point I did (it should also be noted I managed to lose the drawn position in the end though I was playing way too many games at once close 150).
Anyways, I know to some Corr ratings are the end all be all of life but to me they are the most meaningless rating I have. Even my blitz ratings are more meaningful. Because, corr is where I test ideas and see if they work or not. I'm never playing seriously and I really don't care about the results hence you see me in way more thematics and unrated events than rated events.
But I will say this, the difference in strength between a 1800 and 2100 is almost zilch. OTB that difference is HUGE. Corr it is meaningless. 80 pts? This difference is less zilch, you might as well be the same rating. So when you talk about "the right" to offer draws based on rating, I have to laugh at you. These are certainly unacceptable "maxims" and if you want maxims to be followed they have to be acceptable otherwise they will simply be ignored.
I played OTB two weekends ago against a player who outrated me by 400 pts. I was crushing him. In his lost position, he offered me 7! Draws. After I beat him, several players came up to me stated I should have called the TD over the repeated draw offers. Being a TD myself, I replied the ambiguity of the situation. It is his RIGHT to offer those draws. I was by no means forced to accept them (and did not). But there is a gray area in the rules that repeated draw offers (in the rule book it says LITERALLY every single move for 10 moves) the td could rule as distraction and issue nothing more than a warning. A second offense also the punishment is only a warning. ONLY on a third offense can the td actually do anything punitive.
So the real answer is, if you don't want a draw. Turn it down. If you don't want to be offered two draws, tell your opponent so. Each person is different and views their scenarios differently. But trying to make up a rule that no one will follow is beyond silly. I will offer a draw to someone whether they are 1000 pts above or below me if I think the position is drawn.
Paul Valle (2010-09-19 01:36:36)
Suggestion
Something that I do:
If I suddenly realize that I'm lost to a tactical mating attack, I will play the position out till the bitter end.
You might say that I'm just wasting both mine and my opponents time, but I disagree. If your opponent has outplayed you, and you are mate in 5-10 moves to a tactical beauty... then in my book the honorable thing is to play it out. You owe it to the game and your opponent.
I'm not talking about K+Q vs. K, but about positions that could be given as a mating problem. By playing it out you also etch into your head.
kind regards, Paul
Scott Nichols (2010-09-19 01:45:45)
Corr. Chess Maxims
I remember that game now, it did end in a draw. And you are right about what I said at the end. But I also remember the repeated draw offers that were rejected each time. You were Black, lower rated and we were barely out of the opening, so it was a distraction. I play OTB chess also and believe me, continued rejected draw offers would get that person a loss for that game. A person shouldn't have to ask someone to please quit doing something irritating, most people get subtle hints. Also, I disagree about "telling a person so", that should be done by the TD or Webmaster. That could be another maxim. "in case of any disagreements, please consult TD."
A "maxim" is just a suggestion, not a "rule". So people, especially newcomers, can know what IS and IS NOT proper during the course of a game.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-19 01:54:20)
Corr. Chess Maxims
You're missing the point that what you're suggesting is EXACTLY the opposite of what is proper. I am 80 pts lower, I am 10 billion trillion points lower, I can still offer a draw. Period.
Scott Nichols (2010-09-19 19:13:28)
Corr. Chess Maxims
I was going to let it drop, but...since you are from the same state as Obama, YOU need to have things explained further. You are probably right on the rules part, I indeed don't play as much as I'd like OTB. THIS is more about ethics, etiquette. Yeah you have the RIGHT to offer as many draws as you'd like. Just as you have the RIGHT to talk loud on your cell phone in a movie theater or a restaurant, you have the RIGHT to drive slow in the fast lane. And I am SO sure you avail yourself of ALL your rights.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-19 22:34:47)
Corr. Chess Maxims
The more you talk Scott the less you make sense. You should just stop. Your idea for Corr Maxims is good and your #1 Maxim makes sense. The fact that #2 & #3 don't just means you made a mistake. Everyone makes mistake. But okay on to your rambling points.
What does Obama or IL have to do with anything? I don't even get it.
Hmm bad analogy time, okay yes talking on your cell phone in a theater gets you kicked out. At small establishments even just banned. Certainly not a right nor is it proclaimed as such anywhere. It is not "protected" and is well known to be improper. Unlike offering a draw being 80 pts lower has no negative connotation anywhere. Its not illegal. It is protected by the rules. It is not known to be improper. Incorrect analogy.
Driving slow in the fast lane. Highways actually have minimum speed limits and I have seen people get tickets for going below the minimum. On top of that, most states have laws about he fast lane being for passing purposes so they have rules about "slower" traffic keep right (state dependent). So not only is it again something protected by law, it is improper, it can be illegal (state dependent). So again an incorrect analogy.
As much as you wish to live in this strange world where you have to be a higher rated to offer draws, thats not how the rules of chess work. In fact, I would quit playing chess if things did work that way (because it makes no sense). I know people that have as their personal rule not to accept draws if they are the higher rated (fine, thats silly but your choice) (and it always backfires too since they usually end up losing the trying position so badly trying to win it as the "higher" rated should). But at least in the end the rules are preserved - my right to offer a draw was not revoked. You seem to be missing the point that at move 1, ONE player would always be at a disadvantage under your system of only the higher rated being allowed to offer draws. This is quite silly because as all chess players know - no rating system is perfect. Trying to tell someone that a 1989 is 100% better than a 1988 is impossible yet you willing to deny the 1988 his rights of offering draws when he plays that person 1 pt above him? You might just be better off declaring you don't accept draws (I know players like that too). But then you might see people head towards drawish positions knowing your policy and playing them for 200 moves until you're bored. You starting to see the point yet? Whatever system you concoct, there are tradeoffs. The one you proposes has tradeoffs that make no sense for anyone.
Scott Nichols (2010-09-19 23:26:52)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Of course you don't get it, and by this point I am sure you never will. In the analogies, we all have met "these" type of people. Sometimes they get punished, sometimes not. I think anyone playing in your tournaments could get away with most anything.
AGAIN, in my system as you call it, it is just a GENERAL rule of conduct. Of course players rated 1 point apart do not fall into this category. The main point I make is that most players take their rating seriously. Players work their whole life to achieve a Master or Grandmaster title. They are titles awarded players as a token of respect for their accomplishment from their peers. Maybe we aren't IM's or GM's, but our rating has been EARNED.
So for one player who is a good deal lower rated than the other to offer a draw, especially in the early part of the game, is showing a lack of respect for what that person has accomplished.
If fact one draw offer is not bad at all, no matter what, it happens, but to keep at it again and again is bad form.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-19 23:45:16)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Yep, I'm afraid you're a lost cause. No players cannot get away with whatever they want in tournaments read the rulebook dude. You are rating crazy. Do you not realize that for a person to improve they have to be playing beyond their rating? Ratings represent past performance. You need to judge a position based on its features not the person's playing its rating. Many positions reach draw positions early in the game as ours did when people play unambitiously. But I give up trying to convince you of your illogical ways.
Just know this: it is irrelevant whether you use the right to offer draw but it is important that you have it so your point is mute here as well.
A funny incident also happened a few weeks ago: two players kept offering each other draws every 2 moves, declining their opponent's draw then offering it themselves two moves later. It was funny because it was perpetual check and they both knew it. But everytime they offered a draw, the other one would decide maybe he'll mess up. Turn it down and offer it again about 2-3 moves later. By the end of the game each player had offered the other over 15 draws in the perpetual check scenario but the game managed to end decisively strangely.
And btw, your definition of respect and others will different. I certainly don't respect someone cause they've had more time than me to study and made a 2001 rating. I already explained I have no respect for Corr ratings whatsoever. I have also explained my rating does not represent my strength because I do not take it seriously. Do I respect people that have made a career of this? Of course. But I digress because here opinions will vary wildly and be to each their own. We have left the realm of facts. I just think it amusing to always remember that however good you are, there is always some one better. Or put even better, if you could buy a man for what he is actually worth and sell him for he thinks he's worth there would always be a huge profit. Ie there is always arrogance involved when you include ratings. A fun quote to conclude on: "First-class players lose to second-class players because second-class players sometimes play a first-class game." - Siegbert Tarrasch
Scott Nichols (2010-09-19 23:57:43)
Corr. Chess Maxims
I'll finish this ridiculous argument with another quote, "Those who attack first admits his ideas have given out".
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-20 00:13:09)
Corr. Chess Maxims
I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking your silly ideas which I've proven 100% wrong and you have yet to defend in any way. You are attacking me. Therefore, your own quote defeats yourself. Irony for you.
I think its best to finish this note on the fact that most players who play this game have never read the rules. Not for USCF, FIDE, or any of the sites they play on. Try looking up the draw rules sometimes, you might be shocked to find out about the fact that no place would ever honor your maxim.
Scott Nichols (2010-09-20 00:34:24)
Corr. Chess Maxims
I knew you'd keep it going. You can't tell a bullhead like you or Obama anything. I know the reason you don't care about ratings is the same reason every loser says after he's lost again. "Well, I don't care about that anyway."
You haven't proven anything except that you seem to want to have the last word in any discussion. See you STILL can't seem to grasp the fact that a maxim is NOT a rule. If you can scroll back up to the top you will see that maxim #2. says "Generally one offer of a draw is enough for at least 10 moves" In your first post you already got it wrong by saying, "And a draw can only be offered every 10 moves." So the only thing you've proven is that you can't read and can't understand English. Here is another maxim.."Always check who the TD is before you enter any tournament."
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-20 01:22:07)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Haha you're psycho, you call me the bull head yet you're the one who has managed to make 7! posts without a single point. All insults. Obama this Obama that. What the f does Obama have to do with anything? You brought up and you keep bringing him up for god knows what reason.
Your lack of logic is astounding. You admit 1 rating point is enough that the lower rated should still be allowed to offer a draw but not at 80pts. What about 2 pts can he offer a draw here or is it still illegal? Where do you draw the line? Can't you see how stupid this is? You know ratings are considered on 200 pt bands right and anything within 200pts is always considered comparable skill levels hence why terms such as Class B( 1600 1799) and Class A 1800 (1999) developed in the first place. Guess what, 80 pts is less than 200 so its the same skill band hence why they were in the same tournament in the first place.
I know exactly what a maxim is and what a rule is. I know the damn difference. You seem to not understand that your proposition is not acceptable as either. In no circumstance should rating ever matter when a player is thinking about whether he/she wants to offer a draw. It is irrelevant as I've proved to you time and time again.
I do care about my OTB rating yes because I try my hardest there when I have time. But my corr rating nope. Its meaningless. I've given draws in winning positions many times because I don't care. What you describe is utter insanity (must be your philosophy). You realize whether your 2084 or 2240 or 2300 or 2400 you're just a fish right? Trying to brag like its an accomplishment is a joke beyond all measure. There is ALWAYS someone better. As IM William Hartson aptly put it, "playing chess badly is where the growth is."
And don't worry you don't have to check for my tournaments as TD because I wouldn't permit you in my tournament anyways. I don't want known trouble makers.
oh well: " If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong."
Scott Nichols (2010-09-20 02:33:24)
Corr. Chess Maxims
You have totally ruined what started off as a well meaning idea trying to defend an indefensible position with your psychotic ramblings.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-20 02:41:00)
Corr. Chess Maxims
Um... you mean your indefensible position? Like I said your #1 is a good idea and both Garvin and Sebastian added good ideas too. You just need to give up your #2  as I've proved repeatedly. I'm sorry that your and my insults derailed this thread. I really shouldn't have responded to your insults but i'm not used to putting refusing to use any kind of logic whatsoever. I apologize for going down to your level. At any rate, it is you as I said before that went off on psychotic ramblings not I. I just repeatedly proved you wrong.
"Adults are stupid and must be destroyed!" - Stewie Griffin
Scott Nichols (2010-09-20 15:56:37)
Corr. Chess Maxims
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Daniel Parmet (2010-09-21 04:23:11)
Quote festival, part 6
"The high road is always easy to find, just not always easy to take."
--Patricia Potyka
“You can't do anything about the wind, but you can always adjust the sails." --Dr. Bob Chope
"It takes less time to do a thing right, than it does to explain why you did it wrong."
--Henry Longfellow
“If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
--Wayne Dyer
“The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.”
--Voltaire
Scott Nichols (2010-09-22 23:00:20)
Best Games
I wonder if we could raise the limit of votes we get for best games. I think that would enhance the best game dept. At present the top game has 3 votes. I like to look at the games of opponents, not even counting my games, and give credit where due. I saw some comments on game #44774, I looked at it and tried to vote best game and it said I can't vote anymore. Thib, can you think about this?
Don Groves (2010-09-23 01:17:24)
Quote festival, part 6
"The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.” -- Voltaire
Who decides who has reason and who doesn't? And why is it that so many who claim to have it *cannot* seem to get along with those they claim don't have it?
Reason without wisdom is just a fool trying to prove the unprovable.
Don Groves (2010-09-23 07:52:01)
Quote festival, part 6
My comment was intended as a general comment about Voltaire's quote which you published in *this* thread. It was in no way aimed at any individual.
Don Groves (2010-09-23 07:57:36)
Quote festival, part 6
If I was "attacking" anything it's the idea that reason is the greatest human achievement. There are a great many important things in life that are unreasonable.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-23 07:59:05)
Quote festival, part 6
Then I apologize.
I like the Voltaire quote but like most things Voltaire says, I think its dripping with sardonic flavor (if you have read Candide). The problem in my mind is that reason comes and goes with all people. No one seems to always possess reason or common sense. The problem philosophically speaking can be addressed in any number of ways. Skeptically, you can ask if one could EVER claim to have reason. Etymologically, as you have done, one can pose the question of whether you can ever have reason. And the third problem, which consequently solves the 2nd problem, is linguistically. Here, you might look to someone like Wittgenstein who would ask the question of whether you need to specifically define the concept. Can you leave the concept open ended where it merely attempts to address a relative issue we can all pretend to agree on. In this case, you will notice that this is how language actually operates except when people like to get overly serious or detail oriented.
For example, if someone says "that is reasonable" you would know what they MEANT whether you agreed with them or not. It does not need to be laboriously defined that said action, thought or word was in fact the exact embodiment of "reason."
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-24 03:54:46)
whole database transfers made simple
This has always been a sore spot for me on FICGS. I want to be able to copy my ficgs database of games to Rybka. I have gotten help from nice folks here, but I am unable to do it. There just does not seem to be the right tools at each step or understanding to do it.
I would be satisfied if a step by step procedure is posted that entails each click of the mouse with out vague procedure statements.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-24 09:51:02)
whole database transfers madfe simple
Step one.
Click on 'search games'
Step two.
At the top you will see 'all games (pgn)' click on this to download.
Step three.
Use whatever program you have to open this file (chessbase, chess assistant, scid, etc).
Step four.
Filter this file by your name.
Step five.
Copy all the games you have here into a new pgn.
Step 6.
Run Rybka.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-24 18:28:56)
whole database transfers made simple
Thank you Daniel. Can we continue with this via PM on ficgs ? There is discussion needed. I will send you a PM.
Thank you
Wayne
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-24 20:19:04)
whole database transfers made simple
sure Wayne, I answered your first pm. Feel free to send anymore. I'll keep walking you through it til we get done what you want. Conversely, if its simpler, I can do the first 5 steps on my end for you then all you have to do is step 6. Though, its probably better for the future if you learn how to do this.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-26 14:47:45)
whole database transfers made simple
I just tried to add some explanations on the different ways to do that in the Help section (bottom of page). Please let me know if it can be clearer, but I've still to add a direct link to a PGN file of "My games" in the My games page, of course.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-26 20:46:49)
whole database transfers made simple
Is this what your talking about ?
How to import my Chess games in a chess database ?
There are several ways to import your chess games played at FICGS in a chess database like Chessbase or SCID. 1) You may download the complete FICGS correspondence chess database: Click "Search games" in the menu, right click & save "All games (PGN)". Import the file in your database, then you may filter the games by using your name. 2) You may create a PGN file by going to "My games" (please use the chess filter, click the rook icon if you also play Go or Poker, you may also select pending, running or all games) then clicking the printer icon. You just have to copy/paste the content of the new page into a new text file, then importing it in your chess database. 3) You may download the PGN file of a particular game or tournament, right click and save the "download" link at the bottom of
Do you mean "left mouse click" if I right click I get Link copy options, none of which seem to do what I want.
I do not see a way to save "all games pgn" in any case which is what has stopped me for days. Left mouse click copies all database to where i want to open, Ie scid (which I cannot figure out either), notebad, but i see no filtering capability in notepad.
So I do not know how/able to do "Import the file in my database" as your instructions say,
sorry Thib, I am a pain in the butt. can you clear these things up for me ? especially your step 1.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-27 01:52:53)
whole database transfers made simple
Sorry Wayne, maybe your operating system is slightly different, how do you usually save the content (web page or whatever) pointed by a hyperlink?
As for databases (notepad is not a chess database), there usually is a function to import a PGN file in a chess database.
Well, I do not use the Rybka GUI, so I may be not able to give the best answer :/
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-27 02:32:45)
whole database transfers made simple
Gosh, it gets more troubling. I just click on it and it executes the line. I dunno what else to say. I have no know problem with this in the past. What does it say when you right click on it ? My right click brings up several link options ?......I am using Bing ! if that helps. and windows 64 deluxe. Can you just provide a simple transfer link to rybka tablebase ?
wayne
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-27 02:49:24)
whole database transfers made simple
oooops vista
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-27 02:57:43)
whole database transfers made simple
Thibault these are my right click options
1 open link in new window
2 openl link in new tab
3 book mark this link
5 save link as
6 send link
7 copy link location
These are my options on right mouse click of all games pgn
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-27 15:26:25)
whole database transfers made simple
" 5 save link as " is the right choice.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-27 21:38:34)
Quote festival, part 6
"The beginning is the most important part of the work" - Plato
"Nothing is more unpleasant than virtuous person with a mean mind" Walter Bagehot
"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept trying when there seemed to be no hope at all." - Dale Carnegie
"Necessity never made a good bargain" Benjamin Franklin
"Good People are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know" William Saroyan
"In the absence of clearly defined goals, we become strangely loyal to performing daily trivia until ultimately we become enslaved by it." - Robert Heinlein
"A satirist is a man who discovers unpleasant things about himself and then says them about other people." Peter McArthur
Wayne Lowrance (2010-09-28 00:22:43)
whole database transfers made simple
my thanks to all who have helped me. I am grateful.
Wayne
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-28 01:19:02)
whole database transfers made simple
welcome. Happy to be of service.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-29 23:39:50)
WCH Stage 1 Tiebreaks
If I understand the tiebreaks correctly the higher rated based on entry rating goes on. If this is tied it goes to their current rating at the time the tie is concluded.
First question, is this correct?
2nd question, why are ratings the tiebreaker?
Final question, why is entry rating first over rating at the time concluded? Is this because someone could drag out a game knowing their rating will become higher in the next period? If that is the reason, it would seem to me you couldn't use current rating even if the entry ratings were tied.
It just seems a tad silly to use rating as a tiebreaker when there might be a 1-20 point difference. If its a large difference it makes some sense but even then little.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-30 13:26:12)
WCH Stage 1 Tiebreaks
1) This is correct. Actually, when it is possible, 2 players per group (the second one is chosen according to his number of points in the tournament and his rating compared to all other players in the same case in the same cycle) may play the next round.
2) The tiebreaker is the TER because it does not change during the tournament, so whatever the difficulty (and the difference between TER) the challenge is known and it gives a chance by influencing the risks to take, just like in the knockout cycle! (it answers the final question as well) When the TER tie, the current rating is the best way to do it IMO, it is rare enough anyway. The WCH rules are based on ratings, thus all rated tournaments "count" in a way for the final result & title.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-09-30 13:35:58)
Next freestyle tournament
A "freestyle chess tournament" is (according to me) a chess tournament played OTB or on the internet by players using any kind of help (chess engines [Rybka, Fire, Houdini, Fritz, Shredder, whatever...], databases, other players...) with a fast time control (a few hours per game at most).
The "FICGS chess freestyle cup" is a freestyle chess tournament played on the internet...
As "correspondence" implies all freestyle features but the fast time control, freestyle 'must' probably mean played at a fast time control, or the two words would mean the same.
Well, it may be worth to add the final definition in the Help section after all :)
Garvin Gray (2010-09-30 20:37:21)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
I wish to propose that the stage one groups starting from the next WCH tournament be paired differently.
Currently, from my understanding, all the players who have not qualified for the high rated round robins or elimination matches are paired into separate round robins of about seven players in each group.
Seed number 1 is in group 1 and so forth until all groups have been allocated.
The idea of this being to try and ensure that each of the groups is of equal strength.
Where I think this falls down is the issue of players with provisional ratings ie players with new ratings of 1800, 1500.
I have had the experience of having one or more of these 1800's in my group and after the group is finished, it is clear that the 1800 player has achieved a rating of 2100 plus, meaning that my group had three players with playing ability over 2100, meaning my qual group was unfairly disadvantaged.
How I would like the stage one qualifying to work from now is:
1) All players with recognised ratings are paired as per normal.
2) All the provisional rated players are put into groups by themselves.
Then normal qualification rules apply for getting to stage 2.
It is highly unlikely that a low rated player will qualify from the provisional rated groups as someone from each of those groups will be about 2100 or so by the end of the first qualifying stage.
I do ask for this to be endorsed for the next WCH.
Daniel Parmet (2010-09-30 21:56:55)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
I agree immensely!
Further i've noticed that the color pairings tends to be very very bad for seed 2 & 3 but great for seed 1 & 4.
As seed 2 I get black against 1&4 as seed 3 I get black against 1 4 but as seed 4 I get white against 1&3. Yet these color disadvantages are not at all included as a tiebreak in any way.
The result is that in the last Wch as seed2 I never got a useful white having two tough blacks with seed #1 & #4 but in the Wch before as seed #4 I have no tough blacks because I had white against seed #1 . I'm not quite sure the solution other than to somehow tie the colors into tiebreak before ratings.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-01 01:42:40)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
Hi Daniel, maybe it would be more fair to reverse the colors (seed 1 plays black against seed 2 and so on)... I'm not sure if it is better but we can think about it. The color is not a good tiebreak IMO, does anyone else have an opinion on this?
Hi Garvin : "2) All the provisional rated players are put into groups by themselves." , you mean they play together in special groups? We can think about it as well but one goal of the championship was to help those players to find their place quicker in the rating list before the next cycles. I'm not sure if a 2300 player provisionnaly rated 1800 is an advantage for anyone else in the group more than seed 1.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-01 17:39:15)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
I only meant that it is an advantage to play a 2100 player actually rated 1800 rather than 2100 in his group... Gives more chances to qualify but of course, a few Elo points will probably be lost in the process. There is a matter of luck there of course, just like when a player loses on time or forfeits his games in a group, that's why I try to launch almost 2 new cycles per year, it is not possible to avoid the lucky factor in a championship but it is possible to give more chances to everyone...
Anyway I don't think it is possible to build groups of perfectly equal strength (btw many players rated 2000-2100 after 50+ games are actually worth 2400 and more, but lost many games on time) while we need clear rules (if those players are in special groups, do they qualify the same way?).
Another option would be to prevent players who have not finished a certain number of games to enter the WCH waiting list... :/ I don't think it would be appreciated.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-01 17:51:59)
On colour allocation
On colour allocations, there was numerous discussions on this topic during the 1st year of the server. Well, I cannot remember exactly all my arguments, but briefly 1) Double round-robin is too much effort for the players while it does not eliminate totally the chancy factor. 2) On Berger, the whole FICGS WCH idea is to give more importance to the non-WCH tournaments, the very best player must be champion IMO, not only the winner of a few tournaments, that's why ratings are so important in the tie breaks (and that's why my first idea was to give White to the top seed in round robin groups)!
Less games for everyone per cycle + More cycles = More chances to find the real champion (and more fun :)) !
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-02 00:03:55)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
The number of players in each round must be coherent (round 3 : 5 to 9, round 2 : 5 to 9 x 5 to 9, round 1 : 5 to 9 x 5 to 9 x 5 to 9) ... if things are easier for players rated 2000-2300 during the first round, it will be harder for them later (e.g. 1 player qualified in a group of 11 players!).
But it is true by experience that the rating limit for the M group may be below 2300 (by the way it was for the last championship)
I'm against such a rule "All players over 2000 with at least 50 ficgs games played should be seeded into round 2", a bit complicated IMO, and players rated 2250-2400 will have the same kind of complaining then :)
Garvin Gray (2010-10-05 10:54:29)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
Thibault must be impressed. The whole topic has moved away from the orginal discussion point, so that issue has dropped off the radar, meaning changes are not likely while it is not being discussed.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-05 13:36:15)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
Thibault,
You have missed my original point. I am saying that having a 1800 player in your group can be a DISADVANTAGE.
In none of my postings on this topic have I mentioned anything about ratings, except to express a lot of concern that you seem more concern about using the WCH tournament to improve ratings than to try and qualify the best player from each group and to have each of the groups of as close to equal standard as possible.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-05 14:21:22)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
If it is a disadvantage, it should be consequently an advantage for someone else, I meant this way... So your point is that it is a disadvantage "in the tournament", right? I do not agree with this, if the best player was actually this 1800 player, he should be able to play the championship anyway (and you have the advantage of ratings there for tiebreaks)... If players with a provisional rating play together in special wch groups, the winners (probably still under-rated) will play stage 2 and we'll have the same problem then IMO.
Do other players have an opinion or similar arguments on this point?
Garvin Gray (2010-10-05 16:31:02)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
Thibault, I am more than happy to let others give their opinions, but I really do not think you understand at all what point I am trying to make.
This is now three times that you have misunderstood what I am trying to say.
Geez I wish we could quote better in these forums. It would make discussing points much easier.
Thib: So your point is that it is a disadvantage "in the tournament", right? I do not agree with this, if the best player was actually this 1800 player, he should be able to play the championship anyway (and you have the advantage of ratings there for tiebreaks)...
GG- I am not arguing at all that the 1800's should not be able to play in the championship. Please stop mis-quoting me. I have also stated this previously. I am stating that they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves.
The disadvantage is with how the groups are paired and I finding it very difficult to not get completely pissed off with having to explain items many times for you to understand what I am trying to say.
You keep failing to respond directly to my points and I keep having to point out how you have mis-quoted my points, which does not help in the debate at all.
The groups are currently paired in the first stage with the highest rated player in Group 1, second highest rated player in Group 2, third highest rated player in Group 3 and so forth for eleven groups (in this example there are eleven groups). Then the 12th highest rated player is placed in Group 11, the thirteen highest rated player in Group 10 and back we go to the 22nd highest rated player in Group 1. The pattern keeps repeating back and forth until all players in stage one have been allocated to a Group.
Now with the 1800's being seeded in these groups with their 1800 rating is that they end up being about the 4th or 5th seed in some groups, but are not allocated to each group.
Now when some of these 1800 players start performing at a rating of 2100, it means in some groups that the top seeds have received three players of similar playing level and some other groups have not. This makes some of the groups disproportionately unfair.
If these 1800 players were somehow seeded accurately according to their playing standard, meaning they entered stage one in their proper seeding position, it would push all the rest of the players down one spot and so the Group allocations would be fairer.
Another option could also be to make it a rule that players must have a proper rating ie not provisional, before being able to play in the championship. I have tried to avoid suggesting this with my proposal to have them play in a group all by themselves.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-05 17:09:25)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
Aaaaaah... makes me mad :/ Okay, one more time:
GG- I am not arguing at all that the 1800's should not be able to play in the championship. Please stop mis-quoting me. I have also stated this previously. I am stating that they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves.
Thib- I just said "if players with a provisional rating play together in special wch groups", that's the way I (mis-)understood you, so I did not say that you argued that they shouldn't play wch... The thing that is not clear to me is "I am stating that they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves.", so does it mean:
1) Provisionnaly rated players should play in special groups
2) There should be the same number of provisionnaly rated players per group
3) Tie break shouldn't be TER for provisionnaly rated players
4) Provis. rated players should earn their WCH entry, eg. # ended games >50
5) Something else
About cases 1), 3) & 4) I answered it in the discussion that I just re-read entirely.
Sorry for mis-understanding you & thanks for your patience... If I still completely miss it, maybe better would be that another player try to explain me what you mean by "they should be in groups in stage one all by themselves".
Philip Roe (2010-10-05 17:20:42)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
I think that the management of the WCH should not be too heavily weighted toward ensuring that "the best player" wins. On behalf of the underdogs, I would like us to have at least a sporting chance. If the cards are too much stacked against us the idea of an "open" tournament is lost, and we won't enter.
I looked at the statistics for cycle 000007. The top seed won outright 7 times, and tied for first on 7 other occasions. The second seed won outright twice, and tied first 7 times. The third seed won 5 times and tied twice. The fourth seed won once and tied twice. Out of all the winners, only the the two fourth seeds who tied had provisional 1800 ratings.
Are these numbers really a cause for concern?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-05 17:58:43)
WCH Stage 1 groups (new players)
Hi Philip, thanks for taking some time to give us these numbers, really appreciated!
Well, I did not hide that I thought about this championship this way, simply because I wanted it also to look like the old classical chess championship. The point that is discussed here is a tiny detail only compared to the whole idea... Of course the 8 players of the knockout cycle have much better chances to reach the final, and the current champion is by far the favourite. Why to play a WCH that would be a boring copy of IECG & ICCF WCH?
I think that everyone has a real chance though, maybe hardly on 1 cycle but by playing 2 or 3! Have a look at Edward Kotlyanskiy's tournaments, he started WCH 3 with a rating of 2132, seed #2 in a RR group... he is champion!
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__WCH_STAGE_1_GROUP_10__000003.html
Daniel Parmet (2010-10-05 19:16:44)
Match Against Rybka Forum
darn I was interested in playing in this! Oh well maybe next time! Good luck guys, win!!!! Go ficgs :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-05 19:32:33)
WCH Stage 1 Tiebreaks
"the tiebreaker may NEVER matter" is strange or wrong cause it may matter... but more simply a few players may be invited to play stage 2, according to their results & rating. The same occurs in e.g. IECG championship (until the very last tournament if I remember well).
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-06 08:39:16)
Colour allocation change in WCH round robins
Hi again Garvin, I must say I didn't even know the Berger pairing tables, very interesting to pair 6,8,10,12... players, but maybe not so interesting for 5,7,9,11... as there is a bye.
Anyway, I may try to code it for these cases!
On the original topic, the discussion should continue on the question: Must we reverse the colors in WCH round-robin groups so that Seed #2 play White against Seed #1, as the tiebreak (TER: Tournament Entry Rating) is an advantage for Seed #1 already.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=9097
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=9093
As I explained in the other discussions (you can find some statistics in the first one), the whole idea of the chess championship is to find the best player, and rating is an important element in the process IMO. By the way I'm not sure if such an update would change the results significally.
Reverse or not reverse the colors in WCH groups, we need your opinion on this point!
Simone Calvello (2010-10-06 14:02:01)
Colour allocation change in WCH round robins
http://www.greenvillechessclub.org/Round%20Robin/Round%20Robin%20Instructions.htm
I found this interesting link with some explanations. I hope this will help! :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-06 15:29:07)
Colour allocation change in WCH round robins
No table, only a simple algorithm (with eg. $p1 = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6...) :
for ($p1=0;$p1<$players_count;$p1++)
{
for ($p2=$p1+1;$p2<$players_count;$p2++)
{
for ($round=1;$round<=$rounds;$round++)
{
if (NOT $reverse AND ($round+$p2-$p1)/2 is EVEN) OR (YES $reverse AND ($round+$p2-$p1)/2 is ODD)
{ $player[$p1] plays White against $player[$p2] }
else { $player[$p1] plays Black against $player[$p2] }
}
}
}
Games are created the order they appear in the tournament. (may be hard to read, the idea may look like obvious to you though)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-07 14:09:49)
Paul König is dead
After that Ingo announced it in the chat, I was waiting for an online source to publish the sad news in the forum... Paul officially left us during the month of september 2010.
www.bien.de/sauerland/index.php?view=article&id=209:schachbezirk-trauert-um-paul-koenig
Many of us played him here at FICGS, at other chess servers or over the board.
My condolences to his family.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-10-07 19:27:54)
Paul König is dead
It's a very unfortunate thing to happen. Somebody is here with you today and the next day you realize he is no more. The cruelty of life. That's why i like to enjoy my time, playing chess and meeting people from very cultures.
May his soul rest in peace. I had the honour to play vs. him in couple of tours during the early phase of my career here.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-08 15:11:13)
Colour allocation change in WCH round robins
Okay, not exactly an algorithm, this is mostly simplified PHP. The result for a 7 players with 1 round (single round robin) tournament is:
White : Black
1 : 2
3 : 1
1 : 4
5 : 1
1 : 6
7 : 1
2 : 3
4 : 2
2 : 5
6 : 2
2 : 7
3 : 4
5 : 3
3 : 6
7 : 3
4 : 5
6 : 4
4 : 7
5 : 6
7 : 5
6 : 7
So here is the table for 7 players single round robin.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-08 15:29:24)
Colour allocation change in WCH round robins
Now that I have seen the full list of pairings used on this site, I can not see any difference between the berger pairing tables that I have listed and the pairings used here.
The order of games is different, but this is because Berger Pairing Tables are normally used in otb tournaments, whereas on here all games are played at the same time, so no need for separate round game allocations.
Daniel Parmet (2010-10-08 20:05:47)
Paul König is dead
oh my... I am sorry to hear this! I played Paul many times. He always seemed so nice.
Daniel Parmet (2010-10-09 05:47:50)
Road to Grandmaster
so whats the time limit on this little bet you have going? They giving you 10 years? 15 years?
William Taylor (2010-10-09 13:54:15)
Road to Grandmaster
There's no time limit.
Daniel Parmet (2010-10-12 01:40:51)
Road to Grandmaster
You know this little blog and chessbase article has sparked a debate on whether people believe in whether its possible for a 1900 21 yearold to ever make GM.
Despite the fact I've constantly said it is. I've been told i'm flat wrong again and again by every person i've talked to. But I don't understand why, Kasparov said Talent is all a matter of time and effort. I don't see why not. The reason kids excel at chess is because they have no responsibilities. They have PURE time and when a kid gets attached to something... their effort is also unwavering.
I have offered the answer that the problems with adults improving is mostly the fact they have too many demands on their time already (work, family, school, other hobbies) or lack proper motivation (getting too easily discouraged or not wanting to work on their weaknesses).
However, I've noticed the naysayers tend to fall into three camps. 1) The camp that says talent is genetic and you can't make up for it regardless of how much you work. 2) People that say 21 is too old, only kids can improve. These people irk me the most. I have only been playing chess for 2 years and I went from 1000 to 1900 in under a year because I spent alot of time on it. I see no reason why any other adult can't do the exact same. Granted 1000 to 1900 is not 1900 to 2500 + 3 norms... but the point remains the same: time and hardwork. I think here multiple studies about the 10,000 hours required to master an activity is relevant. 3) People that are flat out freaking jealous. They know they themselves won't make GM or maybe even IM so they decry anyone else that wants to try.
Anyways, curious what others peoples thoughts are?
Don Groves (2010-10-12 09:35:00)
Road to Grandmaster
I'm not a naysayer but I do think it takes a certain inborn talent to excel at Chess, quite similar to Math in that respect. Both subjects require the ability to both analyze and generalize at a high level.
If a 21-year-old has those abilities and puts in the work, s/he could become a grandmaster. The biggest problem I see is that s/he is competing against a great many with equal skills who started a lot younger...
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-12 09:35:56)
Road to Grandmaster
IMHO point 1 is partly true and point 2 should be said "kids can improve more easily"... Anyway things have changed so much with computers & the value of norms, it is not easy to say if anybody can become a Granmaster nowadays but I bet on you :)
Rolf Staggat (2010-10-12 16:09:10)
Road to Grandmaster
William,
in the same time you need to become a GM you could learn ten languages perfectly or promote in different sciences. It´s a waste of time. You do not live for a thousand years.
I organized some open-tournaments in earlier years. The older GMs taking part there all had only little money. If you are rich by birth, then just do it, otherwise better not.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-13 15:20:35)
Lightning time control
Hello Thib,
With the freestyle tournaments having a time control of 30 minutes with 15 second increment, could you change the lightning time control also to 30 + 15 so we can practice at that time control.
Would be appreciated and I think a good practical change.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-13 17:25:44)
Lightning time control
Hi Garvin, I'm not favourable to this change for the following reasons:
1) This would be the 2nd change for this time control in a few months...
2) Bullet & lightning would not be different enough.
3) The freestyle time control has its reasons IMO : 30 mins. for the opening/database & key moves analysis, 15 sec. inc because longer would be too long, while the lightning time control is designed for better analysis during the whole game. A 30+15 time control would be great also but it would be one too much :/
Wayne Lowrance (2010-10-15 23:37:53)
Serious new Virus
Subj: Confirmed by SNOPES: Important - read immediately
VERY IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ THIS - These e-mails are floating around currently in HP
Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo, Hotmail, AOL and so on. This information arrived this morning, Direct from both Microsoft and Norton Please send it to everybody you know who has Access to the Internet. You may receive an apparently harmless e-mail titled "Here you have it" If you open either file, a message will appear on your screen saying: 'It is too late now, your life is no longer beautiful....'
Subsequently you will LOSE EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC, And the person who originated it will gain access to your Name, e-mail and password. This is a new virus which started to circulate on Saturday afternoon.
AOL has already confirmed the severity, and the anti virus softwares are not capable of destroying it.
The virus has been created by a hacker who calls himself 'life owner'.
PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, And ask them to PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!
THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY SNOPES.
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/hereyouhave.asp
Robert Osborne (2010-10-16 01:56:50)
Serious new Virus
Wayne... It's a HOAX... these emails go out from time to time about a "New Deadly Virus"
And you help contribute to the Spam Problem by "SEND(ing) A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, And ask them to PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!"
So you do the work of a spam virus for them...
Simone Calvello (2010-10-16 14:58:16)
Serious new Virus
Thank you, Wayne!
By the way, I'd like to say that the sender of the message could also be one of your friends, or so on...
There are also some viruses that enter in the PC and send them to other computers, so every message with an attachment not requested should be deleted immediately!
Rodolfo d Ettorre (2010-10-17 05:38:18)
Serious new Virus
Hi all, the database of my antivirus, is updated sometimes twice per week, so, everyday there are new viruses, trojans and derivatives, and many of them will propagate through emails, so, Thibault's advise standas, "do not open files that you did not ask and so on". If you are too curious, run a cdlive linux and open it from there.
Scott Nichols (2010-10-20 20:06:33)
Freestyle Fun
Freestyle tournament is only 11 days away and already it promises to be an exciting event. Hopefully more will join, especially our friend from India, :)
We have an exciting array of players already though...,
Yuriy Perikov-a new player from Russia who has raised his rating almost 100 points in just two games.
David Evans-Last years winner. I am sure he will be looking to repeat. A definite threat.
Uh-Me-I'll be trying, :)
Marcel Jacon-I don't know anything about Marcel, but I'm sure he will be a tough opponent!
Garvin Gray-A longtime player with much experience. He seemed to improve dramatically after his computer went into the "shop" for a week towards the end of our 24 game drawn match. He will have to be watched out for.
Ruben Comes-What can I say? He is a definite favorite in this event. With his powerful openings, middlegame and unerring endings, he will be hard to beat.
Robert Mueller-I don't know Robert, but I hope to one day if I can ever get up to his level. Another strong favorite here. With an 80% win rate against top level competition, how could anybody bet against him!
Jose Moreira-Another strong unknown to me. Very experienced and I am sure a threat.
Thibault de Vassal-Our glorious leader! If his connection can hold out, we all know Thib is as strong as anybody. It would be nice to see him pull this off.
Sebastion Boehme-Don't be fooled by Sebi's relatively low Advanced rating. He is very strong, experienced Freestyle player. Another shaky connection cost him last year. I consider him to be right in with the favorites of this event.
So there it is "so far". Exciting huh?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-20 21:32:25)
Freestyle Fun
You said it all Scott, thanks for this very nice presentation :) Let's hope that a few of our italian freestylers will try to shake the tournament! The prize increased to 150 Epoints + Entry fees this time, not so much yet but always trying to offer more & more Epoints in all tournaments...
A small word about the connection, I noticed that when http://www.ficgs.com is not available, the internet access providers often let you reach https://ficgs.com , think about it if you encounter such a problem (whenever by the way), just like it happened to Mauro who courageously played half the tournament on a smartphone during the last event, the trick may have helped him :/
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-20 21:36:31)
Connected players :
The aim is either not to receive a reply too early, or to push the opponent towards the flag (I saw that already) during rapid games...
Don Groves (2010-10-21 07:52:52)
Connected players :
During rapid games, won't each player be online all the time unless a connection problem?
Kamesh Nookala (2010-10-21 16:45:12)
Freestyle Fun
Awesome!!
Very well put Scottie and thanks for those sweet words. I am not certain yet whether to join or not as there are lot many things which need my immediate attention. I never played a freestyle before, this is one aspect which is tempting me a lot. Personally speaking, I want to participate, but for the circumstances.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-22 10:25:55)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Hi to all the FICGS players! In the last few days there has been in the works a strong tournament on the Rybka Forum. I know that most of you play a lot of games not only here but on others sites. I have been looking into the interest of having a type of World Chess Corr Blitz Championship. With the time controls being 2 to 3 days per move. There will be a time out or some kind of extra time system in place to get you a chance to AN critical positions. As of now there are discussions on the Rybka Forum for a Tournament Format that would be comfort to most of the players who play. I have been talking to the person who does the web design there and would are working out a new sub forum to keep this tournament organized and working a clock system so everyone can keep track of there time. I'm also having a prize fund organized to the top 10 finishers. Not so much for give money to the players, but as more a means to keep all the players interested and not have any problems with aborted games. This tournament will have 3 TD's to help with any problems that may come up. We are planing on having the tournament just after the new year. I have the interested of Wayne Lowrance and Ruben Comes has said he will play. If any are interested in playing in a World Chess Corr. Blitz Championship or if you have any questions or comments. Let know on here or your can leave a message on the rybka forum my user name is "thehug"
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-22 11:13:09)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Now I have the interest of Harvey Williamson
Garvin Gray (2010-10-22 17:01:57)
Freestyle Fun
Deadline : 2010 october 30 - 13:00 server time
Thib- Can you please confirm that the times mentioned above are accurate for when play will be occurring for the upcoming freestyle tournament.
Also would you be able to post some time zone conversions for major cities, so all of us from all over the world can work off those times.
Cheers,
Garvin
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-22 20:56:57)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Hi,
Gary- Thanks for your interest, I do remember to some of your replies to the FICGS vs Rybka Forum match. As you are a guy who likes some order in the matches. When I make the the pairings for the tournament I will be taking into account of ratings. And will make them fair. There are a couple of people who may not have official rating on the rybka forum, but I have a good idea of there strength :) One of them is actually playing reben a great game in the B90 a variation.
Daniel Parmet- Thanks for your interest I have you down.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-23 02:39:34)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Just after the new year, It will be flexiable as I will give all the players a chance to make it the games. It will be something like a 1 to 1 1/2 week window to get all the players sign in and know what the groups would be. As of now I'm still working on how many games will be played. I will be caping it around 30 people or so give or take a couple. So I will update you on how many games. For rounds Im going to say right now it will 2 rounds as I know most don't want to drag it out to long.(If there is interested I will look into having a semi final, and championship match if people would want it.) The number of games will be flexiable for the FICGS players. As I know most of you have a lot games going on.
Sebastian Boehme (2010-10-23 02:41:41)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
I would be interested in playing, in case
such details as time control (especially how this shall get done on a forum software like Rybka forum, i.e. keeping track of the time used up for a move) and tournament mode are clarified in beforehand.
Cheers,
Sebi
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-23 04:04:54)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Thanks for your interest Sebi. This is being talked about now. I will send you a link. this will be the post for the discussion about time contorl
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19220
As we speak Dadi Jonsson the person who works on the forum. Is working on the details for a clock system. Not only that but we are going to make it a sub forum by itself so people can find there games easier. Let me know your opinion on here as we are working out all the details so it will be comfortable to all. I will being submitting the 1st proposal shortly. Thanks for your interested!
Jimmy
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-23 23:57:41)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
I have the interest of Gino Figlio and a couple of other strong FICGS players Im still trying to find out witch ones they are. The FICGS side is starting to look very strong if all players will play. The tournament format is coming a long. And when I have an update I will post.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-10-24 22:57:48)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Jimmy I am following your progress. I continue my interest in the Tournament. We have discussed my thoughts via PM, but to review here are the things of concern to me. First I do not want to overload my chess obligations in Tournaments I am involved with at FICGS now. I have a hunch that a Start date at or shortly after the year will work out provided it is possible to have no more than one (1) game running at a time.
Other features of interest to a lesser degree are management/monitoring of matches to make sure that excessive time outs are infrequent. A player should not be allowed to go on vacation so to speak during a match. In the event of hardware problems a player should have to live with the timer obligations and not making a unfair match delay.
Player ratings could be considered in pairings. Somewhat like board seeds. Top rated sits at board #1 etc.
I think this can be sorted out easily.
Your have excellent inputs from others such as Vytron etc regarding timer details. 2 days/move sounds good to me Jimmy.
So continue your good work, I would be proud to participate god willing.
Wayne
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-25 01:30:27)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Thanks for your continue interested Wayne! Yeah as of now. I think we are doing a two game per round(1 white and 1 black) set. And I think there are players who will being playing a one game at time approach. And to help with the time difference we are working on a quicker format to help offset the time difference. I still believe that Havery Williamson will still consider playing if the gameload is not that great. Even if he still declines I think with yourself I have 3 or 4 players that are inside the top 25 on this site. I'm hopeful that devassal thibault can help me get the word to the other top players in a effort to get a couple more of the top 50. It will help when I finally can have a 100% idea of the format. I'll you posted on here or on the Rybka Forum. When we finally have more or all the details worked out.
Jimmy
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-25 02:42:33)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Hello Jimmy! Sure, I keep an eye on the discussions... I may spread the word when all this will be a little clearer to me (maybe I'll consider to play if I'm not too busy and if the tournament is open btw, will it be a round-robin tourney? what happens if you have too many players?) Feel free to use the chat before that though.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-25 08:28:18)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Thanks Thibault, My hope is to finish the details within the next 2 weeks. No not a round-robin, because that would simply be to much and to long. So I have gone with Vytron idea of a type of Elimination/Knockout tournament that is currently being discuss. As you are good about getting tournaments formed if you can read the current discussion and give some feedback on here or the rybka forum I would be grateful! It is in the corr chess section on the rybka forum.
Here are some of the key points and some interesting ideas that are being thrown around.
As I know most of the FICGS players play a lot of games so I have made a system that you play a 2 game match per round (One white and One Black). This would usually be a bad idea because of CC high draw rates. But we are thinking of using a unique draw odds system. Thought to many this may sounds a little strange its actually a great idea to inspire fighting chess for both sides. The idea was given by FICGS player Gino Figlio
"The scoring system idea- to draw with white (0.4), draw with black (0.6), win with white (1.0), win with black (1.1), loss with white (-0.1), loss with black (0.0)"
Another thing we are working on is the pairing system. As of now the only idea is to use a swiss pairing system after the first round.
Time Control- Since this is going to be called a "World Blitz Correspondence Chess Championship" The time controls are going to be a little faster than normal corr chess. It will be 48hr per move. But there will be a bluff time in here to help AN critical positions. This is also being debated. Right now we are looking at something between 1 weeks to 2 weeks(168 hours to 336 hours).
I had announce on the Rybka Forum in the last couple of days that a prize fund was being offer. I haven't had all my sources comeback to me yet. But as of know the fund is $1500 USD. It could be more, but I'll make official amount known before the tournament will start. I would say the winners share will be between 500 to 750. It all depends on what info I get back. I'm going to try and make all the prizes reasonable. And try and make it for the top 8 or 10 players. Also the winner will be announced the "World Blitz Correspondence Chess Champion"
I will be trying to finalize the details of the tournament in a quick fashion so I can figure out if the players interested would want to play or not. The tournament will begin just after the new year. It will be flexiable so get all the players in and know who they are playing.
The final details are that we are working hard to make the Rybka Forum really to play this kind of tournament. There is a new sub forum that will be made to help with out the traffic that would be going on with all the games. There is almost plans on getting a clock system work out. As at these time controls that would be critical.
Thanks in advance for any feedback form Thibault de Vassal and any other FICGS player!
Jimmy
Scott Nichols (2010-10-25 21:07:25)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Hi Jimmy, I left a message on your forum. That format very new to me, :)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-25 21:16:09)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Well, I still do not understand how a scoring system can exist in a knockout tournament... but let's take an example, what the tournament will look like if you have 16 players? Best is to do a complete simulation.
As I just posted on Rybkaforum, I suggest several double round-robin class tournaments of 5 players with a longer time control (on forums I suggest 10 days + 3 days per move). The whole tournament would be played in 1 round, with less stress for everyone as I really think that 30 days + 1 day/move is the fastest acceptable correspondence chess time control.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2010-10-25 23:43:59)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
I also do not understand scoring system, most probably both games will end in draw, is there a talk about an even faster time control for tiebreakers?
Gino Figlio (2010-10-26 00:55:48)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
The proposal was based on the assumption that it was a double elimination knockout, meaning you get dropped if you lose 2 games. Since there may be a lot of draws, the new scoring system may allow to drop players with the lower scores after 2 rounds and will give more weight to better results with the black pieces. This is experimental but may stimulate more fighting chess.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-26 18:53:19)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
I am not a fan of the Double Elimination concept for this. Does not mean that I would not participate. But since DE is being used, why not just have it as an open swiss instead?
With an open swiss, those that do not want to continue can just withdraw, instead of being eliminated. Those that want to finish the tournament can keep playing all rounds to enjoy the experience.
A couple of issues with DE that need to be explained further:
1) After round one, are the first round losers seeded to the other half of the draw so they can not meet their first round opponents again till the preliminary final.
2) For the person who gets to the Grand Final without losing a match, do they stil have to be beaten twice to be eliminated ie the winner of the preliminary final has to beat them twice to win the competition.
I have wondered how long an open swiss would actually take in competition like this and would prefer to play in that rather than a DE.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-26 19:27:17)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
An open swiss should be at least 6 rounds long, that's the main problem. I still don't get how this tournament may run, a complete simulation with 16 players would help me, definitely.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-26 19:37:21)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
TDV- An open swiss would take just as long as a DE.
In regards to your comment about not understanding how this tournament will be run, are you asking about the concept of double elimination formats as a general idea, or you do understand about DE formats and are wanting more information about this tournament specifically?
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-26 19:38:21)
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Thanks to Thibault, who has what given his input into the tournament. As to the last two replies. The tournament format is an on going process. But I think the time control that has been stated by myself in just the last few hours. Is pretty reasonable to have a blitz control. 25 days per side + 10 days after move 40. That would be 60 days total. So that would be within 2 months. To be honest even if you see the games I post on there. You see even if you don't have serious tournament conditions all games were very close to finishing within 30 to 60 days.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-26 19:44:18)
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Two more quick announcements.
1.The new forum for the WBCCC-->World Blitz Corr Chess Championship has been made as of last night my time. But has not been up to everyone yet. It will be soon, I'm still talking to my Technical TD about that.
2.I'll be capping the tournament very soon as to keep the numbers reasonable and to have a tournament done in a more timely fashion. I'm going to guess when its all said and done. The finally number will be between 24 to 28 players that will play. I'll being posting a list here shortly
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-26 20:11:52)
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The players that have said they would play or are interested are as follows
For FICGS-
Wayne Lowrance
Garvin Gray
Daniel Parmet
Sebastian Boehme
Thibault de Vassal
Gino Figlio
Kevin Plant
Scott Nichols
and one guy called "Djevans" on my forum still trying to get a name. He has said that he is a FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP winner and twice finalist in the freestyle tours on chessbase. So a pretty strong player.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-10-26 21:03:53)
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Yes I have committed to Jimmy, I am in
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-26 21:28:08)
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We cannot change the format now... 6 rounds is a lot in 2 days already, 9 rounds would kill most of the participants (IMHO) :)
It is always hard to guess the final number of players until the very last moment as registrations are authorized whenever. All I can say is that one new player is to enter the waiting list, maybe two. (ah, finally one player entered it before I can finish my message :))
Peter Marriott (2010-10-27 00:01:33)
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Hey Jimmy! I would like to play.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-27 01:07:49)
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Ooooook... just read this interesting article on double elimination "knockout":
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/sonas010704.html
I must admit I did not hear about this one before, very interesting idea even if it looks quite unnatural (I mean not "beautiful") to me and longer than the usual knockout. Anyway IMO it is probably too long for a correspondence chess tournament.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-27 03:10:37)
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Now Thib sees why 6 or so round swiss would not be any longer than Double Elimination :)
Also with the DE format, the player from the winner's side has to wait a full round while the two remaining losers play their preliminary final two games.
In regards to tie breaks from second round onwards, the person who has the better score from previous rounds could have draw odds.
To explain- lets say in round one Player A wins 2-0 and Player B wins 1.5-0.5. In round two Player A and B meet. In this scenario Player A would advance if their match was drawn.
This method of tie break would count no matter what round it was. So in the Grand Final, who ever had scored the most amount of points previously would have draw odds.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 03:34:59)
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Sorry Kamesh, I didn't know if you was really to play mores games or not after reading your email. I'll put you on the list now.
Also sorry to Peter Marriot who I have on the official list on Rybka Forum :)
Kamesh Nookala (2010-10-27 03:38:48)
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Lol Jimmy,
It was more like "I am lost!" haha. AS of now, i have stopped all stuff. Just enjoying. But as your tour is scheduled somewhere in the new year, who knows I may jump in.
As of now, banging my head as to whether I should check IN into the current FICGS Freestyle or not :)
Regards
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 04:37:36)
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Well Kamesh, the game load is going to be pretty low. I won't pull your leg or anything :) lol
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 04:58:50)
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I would love to get these two great players to play! It would be helpful that the tournament conditions be clarified. With the kind of money that could be on the line. It maybe of interest to them. But I don't think that would be the most important thing to them. I know Eros has account on the Rybka Forum, but I haven't hear form him on there so I don't know.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 05:53:42)
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@Scott-Myself and a couple of other friends who love chess. By the way I send you a message on the Rybka Forum to help with game details. If you have other questions let me.
@Daniel- Right now I its 1500 USD total, but I don't have all my sources bact to me yet. So it will probably be more. I'm planing on having prizes down to 8 to 10 players, with the winner most likely will win 500 to 750 depending on final numbers. Also the winner will the World Blitz Corr Chess Championship or so I dubbed.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 06:28:36)
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Well Kamesh, maybe playing on the Rybka Forum has brought you luck :), BTW interesting game between you and Vytron
Kamesh Nookala (2010-10-27 06:35:12)
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Well not really.
I am sorry if am being candid in stating that my first access to corr world is FICGS. It created the best impression which even ICCF could not. I am confident that your efforts will bring a great change to the rybkaforum. Keep the spirits high my friend, come what may :)
As far as my game vs Vytron, I am not sure where it is leading me
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 06:48:42)
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Not at all my friend, Kamesh. I was joining you with humor. I can understand the feeling of playing in your first place like this.
@Garvin- With all the efforts to play it on Rybka Forum I don't know if I could change it. If the tournament is successful I may consider playing the next one on here. Of course I would have to talk to Thibault about that.
Kamesh Nookala (2010-10-27 06:53:20)
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I just expressed my opinion Jimmy. You are trying to organize a major event. Am commending ur efforts. Keep pushing. Especially, am flattered when ya said ya and few others wud be sponsoring the prize fund. Who does that? So, ya too made ur impression.
All the best Jimmy, go go go go ....
:)
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-27 22:24:14)
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Tho this is only a minor note the new forum was made and is open now. Look for WBCCC on the front page of the forum
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-28 05:16:30)
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I've been given it some thought the last couple of days and have came with an update. My last proposal was to do a 2 game a round swiss tournament. I've post it here
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19220;pg=3
Look at the bottom of the page for all the details. You can give your input here. Or if you have an amount you can post it there
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-28 05:46:01)
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If not this one works go to pg 3 and its on the bottom
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19220
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 05:21:56)
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Just to let everyone know I've added a standing page and an unique commentary and recap page for fans and players a like a chance to look at all the game a little deeper. I'll invite any of the strong players to comment on the games as they go. As long as they don't give moves away that may affect the game. I thought this would add to unique style of the tournament.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-29 11:21:06)
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Thib,
How will you be deciding the draw for round one? What I mean is will you be doing a registration period and collecting names and then entering only those players in round one, or will you be entering all those who have registered via the waiting list, regardless of whether they are online or not at 1300 ficgs time.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 11:40:25)
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The tournament format has been decide. It will be a 2 game a round swiss tournament. Now my working on a pairing system as we spoke. I've been told by garvin gray that he is an official FIDE arbiter who has the latest programs to be used on swiss tournaments. I'll keep that in mind going forward. As everyone here has official rating. It will be my job to work something out with the other players on my forum who don't have ratings. This being a Swiss tournament with having a chance to play with both colors. I should be about to just do subjective pairings and be fine. I have a pretty good idea of were the players stand rating wise. I hope everyone is really for an competitive and enjoyable tournament!
Jimmy
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-29 12:27:09)
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That's better than a DE knockout IMO! .. and finally what about the time control?
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-29 12:38:29)
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Great to see you in Kamesh, definitely this tournament will be tough :)
Garvin, good question! Last time I did it regardless... Best is IMO to decide just before the start, if only one player (maybe two, depending who) is not connected, I'll include him in the list. If three players are not online and if I'm not sure they'll play, I'll send an email to them, wait a few minutes more, then we'll start without them. Not so easy to optimize anyway :) Actually that's a good point, I'll probably add that players must be connected before the start of the first round in the freestyle rules.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-29 12:48:08)
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I think only those that are online at 1300 should be paired in round one. This ensures that the tournament gets started on time.
The only exception would be if someone has let you know that they will be turning up, just will be a bit late.
Players can always be paired starting from round two.
I ask for this for two reasons:
1) It allows you to cover any last minute points and you know that all players have seen the messages because they are actually online. and
2) Not everyone is playing this tournament starting in the afternoon. The tournament starts at 9pm for me, so it will finish each day late enough as it is. I will certainly not be happy at all if I have to wait around for late comers and will not mind saying so.
It will mean that I get 'punished' by not starting on time because of those who could not make it on time without letting you know beforehand. How is that fair?
Garvin Gray (2010-10-29 12:50:29)
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With it being two games and a swiss, the initial ratings do not matter so much.
Players will get sorted pretty quickly. With using total game points as the first pairing criteria, each score group will have less players, meaning that most of the time there will only be two or three players in each score group, rather than 10 or twelve like in an over the board tournament.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 12:54:10)
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well to keep within a 2 month point I thought of 25 days a side with 10 more days after 40 moves. That seems pretty reasonable even with 2 games with the same person. As a interesting side note Kevin Plant has sent an email to ICCF GM Arno Nickle if he would have any interests in playing in this event. I doubt that there not many people who don't know who this very strong corr player is.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-29 13:38:24)
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Are the 10 days repeating, so after 80 moves the players receive another 10 days?
If not, then I can see major issues with players running out of time in long games, if for the only reason of time difference between countries around the world.
I would advise a time control of something like 14 days plus 2 days per move.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-29 13:56:36)
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Well, the connected players issue is for round 1 only, the third round should start at time. When it didn't happen, it was because I had connection problems, as far as I can remember... (but my connection works fine these days)
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:00:52)
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so 10 days for every 20 moves after move 40?
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:03:40)
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Even that would probably keep it with in something like a year.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-29 14:10:20)
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25 days for 40 moves is too fast, definitely... In my game at Rybkaforum (with SpiderG) I had to take 5 days (maybe more) for a single move sometimes, and unfortunately that was not always to analyze it.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:18:04)
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well I guess something like 25 days for 30 moves could be possible as only to think that most of the 30 moves could be opening book depending on which opening is choice. Then 10 to 15 days per 20 moves after that. I guess I should follow the time controls here a little closer
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:33:16)
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I've trying to look at the other players games for the Rybka Forum match. I got the feeling that most players made there moves fairly quickly. I would say there are players who think that 5 days a moves isn't blitz time controls.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-29 14:38:24)
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The problem is: Sometimes (Scott knows it), it is possible to play a complete corr. game [more than 60 moves] in about 30 hours! But sometimes it takes 8 months... Believe me, if I chose 30 days + 1 day/move as the fast time control at FICGS, it is because faster was not possible. And that's why there is a WCH cycle every 6 to 8 months, no more.
Garvin Gray (2010-10-29 14:42:27)
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Jimmy- I think it is extremely unlikely that any kind of correspondence tournament can finish in one year, unless you have an extremely short time control and are willing to have many games time out. It is just the nature of the beast with players from all over the world.
Also, what Thib means is that a new WCH cycle starts every 8 months, not that the WCH cycle takes 8 months to complete.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:48:56)
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I see the flexiable of playing something like 30 days + 1 day/move. My intend was to try and make a tournament within say 60 to 70 as a max. But that probably means this is more a tournament for players that make a move 1 to 2 days at a time
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:50:06)
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Sorry quoted per round of 60 to 70 days
Garvin Gray (2010-10-29 14:54:31)
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Each tournament is slightly different and if a faster time control is used, then players will adjust. Just like playing rapid time controls in otb chess.
It is advertised as a blitz tournament, so of course the time controls will be shorter than the normal type of corro time control. All I have been trying to do is point out issues relating to players competing from different parts of the world.
I am certainly one of those who would be seriously affected by using the 40 move time control you have suggested previously.
I live in Brisbane Australia, so most of my opponents will be at least 4 to 8 hours at least behind me, so it is very common for me to receive moves in the middle of the night, or have a whole batch of moves awaiting me when I wake up.
This can mean that I already start with losing about 8 hours on the clock before I even get to look at a position.
I accept this in the time controls on here because that is just how it is and I am not that disadvantaged as it works the other way where I reply and my opponents are asleep/at work.
But under the 40 move time control posted, I would be severely affected and my only 'crime' would be living in Australia.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 14:58:17)
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I would agree with your assignments. I was thinking about 25 days to 30 moves as most of that is possibly opening then 10 to 15 days for 20 moves?
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-29 15:11:05)
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I know Wayne has told me that he is trying to draw some of his games. Before my tournament starts. What he is doing is honorable. But I don't wish for others to have to do drastic things to play in this tournament. So I'll try to adjust the best I can.
Daniel Parmet (2010-10-29 19:58:13)
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of course you talked about this tournament starting in Jan correct? so we all have time to finish some of our games before then.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-30 01:02:41)
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Your right Daniel, some players will have games finish by then. By now I understand what is being talked about, by not having time on the end to have for the endgame. I'm thinking of some kind of adjustment like after the 30 move mark to have something like 15 days per 20 move after that so players don't get kill by the time
Ramil Germanes (2010-10-30 10:30:27)
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Sir Jimmy: Please include me if I'm qualified. I want to join the tournament. Thanks!
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-30 11:24:51)
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go to the rybka forum http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/forum_show.pl Get a user name and leave me a post on the forum with WBCCC or just sent me a message
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-30 11:27:56)
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my user name is Thehug, The tournament will begin in January. Be prepare as the name subjects its going to be a Blitz Corr Tournament. So most players will make a move a day or over other day
Ramil Germanes (2010-10-30 12:29:44)
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@ Sir Jimmy: Already sent you a pm at the rybka forum. My name at rybka forum is "ralunger". Hope you will include me in the tournament. Thanks!
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-30 12:35:35)
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Your in I wrote you down
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-30 12:41:38)
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It is, I have official list I just edit it on the rybka forum I'll update it today sometime
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-30 17:19:19)
Freestyle round 4, careful winter clock!
To all players involved in the Freestyle tournament, important : Tomorrow it will be 1pm. 1 hour before !!!
So do not miss the start of Round 4 at 1 pm. while taking account that France (like most countries) goes to winter clock...
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-30 21:32:50)
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Jimmy, will you apply strict rules during the tournament? What happens if a player suddenly takes 2 days, then 3 days, then 4 days for each move? Will there be a flag applied by the forum software or by the tournament director?
As there may be obvious problems in both cases, I'm really curious to know how you'll handle it. Also will players have a few days of vacation?
Jai Prakash Singh (2010-10-31 06:41:56)
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Usually, winter clock means one hour after but it is being declared one hour before, how come? Like Indian clock is 9 hrs 30 minutes ahead of New York time in summer and 10 hrs 30 minutes in Winter.
Don Groves (2010-10-31 06:53:58)
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In the US and Canada Winter time starts at 02:00 Nov. 7th, the first Sunday in November.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-31 11:09:48)
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Damn, I had 50% chances and what I said was pure confusion... I probably meant "Tomorrow it will be 1pm. 1 hour after" (if it means something)... Anyway, server time is the only one to trust.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-31 13:27:35)
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Your right Thib, there are going to be some risks in playing in this kind of tournament. I had to think about a lot of things. I would love to do a round robin system as this is probably the most flexible of all of them. By a majority was against it because there would just be to many games to play and not enough time to go around for all of them. I to have a lot of ideas to make a swiss system work. I believe with the input I have gotten back. That all the players that are playing are going to play and if they couldn't that wouldn't play. I know as well as you that in the end there really isn't one system that is 100% prefect. And you just have to make adjustments. Dadi Jonsson is working very hard to get the time system to work 100%. So yes the flag will be in. If not then such a tournament probably couldn't happen.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-10-31 19:00:19)
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Congratulations to Eros Riccio who convincingly won this 3rd Freestyle Cup !!
As for me I'm really happy with this result... I could have lost the last game on time (connection lost just after the draw), and time pressure decided in a lost position vs. Sebi... :/
- The standings :
Place Name Score Berg.
1 Eros Riccio 4.5 - 15.25
2 Thibault de Vassal 4.5 - 14.25
3 Kamesh Nookala 3.5 - 11.5
4 Robert Mueller 3.5 - 10.75
5 Gino Figlio 3.5 - 10.5
6-7 Ruben Comes 3.5 - 8.75
6-7 Yuriy Perikov 3.5 - 8.75
8-9 David Evans 3 - 6.75
8-9 Sebastian Boehme 3 - 6.75
10-11 Richard Bitoon 2.5 - 5.5
10-11 Jai Prakash Singh 2.5 - 5.5
12 Scott Nichols 2.5 - 5.25
13 Garvin Gray 2.5 - 3.5
14 Marcel Jacon 2 - 2.5
15 Xavier Pichelin 1.5 - 3
16 Jose Moreira 1 - 2
(the score is the one shown in the software, it may be not the same in the FICGS tournament page)
Finally we avoided the connection problems (really lucky), this was a really nice event, I would like to thank all players & especially Garvin who was up very late to play!
Lots of fun, definitely... I'll try to organize the 4th edition in about 3 months!
Sebastian Boehme (2010-10-31 20:00:30)
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Also here goes my 50 cents about the tour.
First of all: Thib, very nice tour. Without you we would not have such nice events. FICGS rocks!
Secondly: Congrats to Eros, who made a last minute join and made me think: oh maybe he is out of shape, but you proved the opposite!
Last but not least....am grrrrr about my own performance a bit. I think time management I need to practise a little better next time. ;-)
Many regards,
Sebastian
Sebastian Boehme (2010-10-31 20:11:04)
Creating an opening book
Hi Garvin,
Book making ia for example in my case always been a very time-intense and manually tuned process. I never do import any outside games to my book.
Guidelines on how to starting out in creating an opening book you can find (or probably have already found), here:
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11798
That site got some useful links
General rule of thumb, work on each system one by one. My favourite example: I as white play 1. e4 and Black replies 1....f5, so the Elephant Gambit arises.
Now I want to find good white moves for it, so I enable in my Book allow move adding and check my Correspondence and Playchess Games database for the replies of white. Also I see what major engines think about the moves offered by the database in say 1-2 minute analysis and what these engines themselves gotta offer. This way a reply to the elephant gambit (or maybe more) for move 2 of white can be found.
Also not in any case 1-2 minute analysis will be sufficient. You need to figure this out for yourself.
The less time intensive process: Create a database where you import games filtered by very well chosen criteria (for instance recent games i.e. 2008-2010). Then import the database games into a new empty book.
That's all I know about how it could be done.
Sebi
Jimmy Huggins (2010-10-31 22:52:16)
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Great job to all the players! Eros you have proven to be one of the best on the forum and possible the world. Keep up with the great work :)
Jimmy
Wayne Lowrance (2010-11-01 00:48:48)
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Wow, my congrats to all who played. I feel I missed a special time. My chess work load did not permit me to play, But I am hopeful to join next time. I am chessed out, putting a ton of time on my FICGS games and falling further and further behind :)
Wayne
Garvin Gray (2010-11-01 01:00:54)
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I endorse all the comments previously stated.
I would like to see two changes for next time:
1) Longer time control. Yes I realise it will take longer to play, but I felt a lot of the games were about the computer and not much about true freestyle.
2) Starting at a different time :) and starting the days on time.
Gino Figlio (2010-11-01 04:04:09)
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Congrats Eros!
I enjoyed all the games and friendly atmosphere. This was a first but very nice freestyle experience for me.
Many things to learn from and hope to do better next time!
Special thanks to Thibault, how do you manage to play two roles at the same time and excel on both?
Jai Prakash Singh (2010-11-01 05:09:09)
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Congrats Eros and Thib! Great performances. It was a nice experience for me too except that I was getting disconnected just before start of my games. So reconnection caused initial time loss in many games for me.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 09:18:34)
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Oh ok here is another Time Control proposal. 25 days per side to move 30 and 15 days per side for the next time control. Would move 30 be good to reach the time control? As most books should get you to move 20 or so and would you have enough time. If this blitz corr chess.
Garvin Gray (2010-11-02 09:25:13)
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The issue is not whether extra time is added after move 30 or 40, that is kinda irrelevant compared to what appears to be a final 15 days after move 30/40. That is the biggest issue and something that needs to be solved before the tournament can go ahead until any reasonable conditions.
Either after move 30/40, there is a re-occuring amount of time just like from move 30 ie 30 moves in 25 days, followed by 30 moves in 25 days repeating, or like we use on here for rapids, 30 moves initial plus 1 move per day increment.
The final time period can not be guillotine for all the reasons previously discussed regarding time zones.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 09:46:20)
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Oh ok I have talk about about 30 days+ 1day as an option. As talking to you two. You have given me a lot of input. I think you Gray are a pretty fast player by most measures so on avg oh long can your games go at this time control? I really don't mind corr games going 2 or 3 months or so. As Thib pointed out some games at this control can go 8 months which to be honest isn't an option. I think I heard Gray say once something about 14days + 2days per move. Would that be a blitz control?
Again one to point out there not going to be a flag or something for taking 4, 5 days. The times will go as usually.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-02 09:56:22)
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@Jai Prakash: do not be too deceived, we all (or almost) know the connection issues, I lost many bullet games including in freestyle tournaments because of this... the aim is always to organize more freestyle tournaments, so you'll have your full chance early or lately, just like in the WCH cycles (the chancy factor is everywhere)!
@Garvin: let's continue to discuss it, the first tournament was played in 1 hour + 15 sec/move, I feel that the quality of engines improved enough so that the brain can take fully part of the game [less time to navigate into the game, more to understand the position], by the way everyone agrees that the book is more important than to have 64 cores (that was not true a few years ago)... an increment of 20 seconds would be better though, but it is no more 2 hours per game :/ .. in my opinion, if we have players enough like this time, a 7th round (or even a 8th) would bring more benefit than more time to find the best player, and I must say I was quite frustrated not to play a few players during the tour. :) Finally... with 6 rounds only, the best player won, most probably. All opinions are welcome here.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 10:05:38)
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I know most of the players that have said they would play usually move pretty fast.
Garvin Gray (2010-11-02 10:20:43)
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With the 30 mins plus 15 secs time control, more rounds on two days becomes problematical.
With a 1300 ficgs starting time, those from the Americas were starting at about 5am and I was starting at 10pm on the second day.
So adding an extra round would mean either play starts early, or goes later.
The only other solution would be to add an extra day and play 9 rounds.
In part, the time zone issue is another reason why I think a longer time control might be better.
Garvin Gray (2010-11-02 10:28:10)
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At 30 days plus 1 days, I think about 3 months is a fair average.
I am not sure if I am a fast player or not. I do use most of my time across all games, but that does not mean I am looking at all games all the time.
For just a two game match, I would have no issues with 30 days plus 1 day increment and it would not feel fast to me.
14 days plus 2 days per move I think is a better time control for a few reasons.
It will let the organisers know for certain early who will lose their games on time ie two weeks from when the round starts, so decisions about whether to let them continue or kick those players out can be made earlier.
With a 2 day increment, it does give some opportunity for players to analyse for a bit of time in endgames.
If you are wanting to avoid unnecessary delays, the easiest way to it to have rule that as soon as a game reaches a 6 man tablebase position, the result will be declared.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-02 10:33:17)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
14 days + 2 days / move is much longer than 30 days + 1 day / move. Maybe 20 days + 1 day / move, or 10 days + 1 day / move could be ok... 1 day increment is the strict min. 10 days initial clock is min as well IMO. So a game could last ~180 days at most = 6 months anyway !
Honestly, maybe you should give up the idea that everyone (eg. me) should be able to play, if you think that most players interested are ready to play a really fast corr. time control, maybe you should do it this way but IMO an increment less than 12 hours may lead to many losses on time.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-02 10:44:26)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
You = Jimmy (does the whole sentence mean something? sorry my english still weak :/)
Garvin Gray (2010-11-02 10:46:48)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Its alright. Sometimes I just like to clarify matters. In this example, I was not sure if you meant me or Jimmy as you had replied straight after my post and so could have been directing the YOU at me, instead of Jimmy.
Probably the best course of action to avoid confusion in multiple person replying topics is to refer to people by name, rather than just using you or he.
:)
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 10:50:48)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
I can always say you have a very honest opinion. I can bet even if you decide not to play. You will be watching with interest. I know players like Wayne Lowrance liked the idea of a little faster controls. Gino, Scott, and David Evans like to play a little bit faster controls. And they will make this a very strong tournament anyway. And yes the add one day per move looks to be the min. It will just be looking at the total time.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 10:53:01)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
My above comment was at Thib
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 15:37:29)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Your doing a good job Garvin, everyone thought your idea of ending the game at 6 man tablebase positions was great 100%. And you more or less suggested the 2 game a Round Swiss was taken very well to. Maybe I should let you be my TD lol. I think I can let you do my Pairings to if you want. My only question to you is what rating list would be the best to use? As far as the ratings of the Rybka Forum players I'll have to give you my ideal ratings for them.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 16:57:23)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
I don't think this would be as hard as you think. There as 6 man tablebases online that can easily do that. Here an example
http://chessok.com/?page_id=361
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-02 16:58:34)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Sorry for my horrible english sometimes. The above link would work well for it.
Wayne Lowrance (2010-11-02 22:18:30)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
yep, I am aware of both sites. That is not the problem as I see it.
Those sites are good if you have arrived at 6 man positions. The problem occurs far before that during analysis. Example player(a) in deep analysis with his hardware/programs determines that a 6 man tablebase will occur and player (b) with his hardware/program is unable to verify that and thus will object to 6 man ruling as He cannot verify it.
Not much time will be saved I am afraid if the game continue until the current position is a 6 man position.
Of course a lot of communication can resolve it for player (b) but that is a big work load for someone. So I am very much in favor of the idea, but do not see clear solution to it.
Wayne
Garvin Gray (2010-11-02 23:50:43)
Newest/oldest posts first
How is the concept of top posting going? We are now at over 100 posts in the rybka tourney thread and it is getting tedious having to scroll down all the time, just to read the last few posts.
If there was top posting, then the latest posts that I want to see would be visible first.
Gino Figlio (2010-11-03 00:33:36)
Newest/oldest posts first
Top posting is not better than the current setup. You need to set a maximum # of posts per page and then links at the top for each page. That way you will never scroll down.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-03 09:58:22)
Wayne Lowrance (2010-11-03 18:28:57)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Okey Dokie, Garvin & Jimmy. Sounds good. It will save some time.
Wayne
Garvin Gray (2010-11-03 11:16:59)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Wayne, not sure much can be done about the situations you are talking about. I guess they are just how it is when games are being played with tablebases.
I still think my suggestion will knock off some time from each round.
Perhaps, what could occur is that one player claims either for win or draw and the arbiter investigates by asking the other player how they plan to get their desired result.
I know this sounds rather wishy washy instead of being a nice formulated rule, but I am not trying to post a forumulated rule at this stage, until I know if I am going to be person responsible for pairings, being arbiter etc.
Garvin Gray (2010-11-03 11:17:16)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
By the way Jimmy, you have a pm on rybka forum.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-03 11:47:37)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Yeah you will be helping me with it. I would say that to make things easier just remember you will be my arbiter. I sent you an PM that will explain somethings. I will change the words to make it easier for everyone to understand
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-03 11:59:49)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
All is explained now between my message back to you and I edited what was on the forum. Thank you for you help
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-04 13:15:38)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Garvin I sent you another PM. Maybe you can give me your 2 cents worth
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-05 23:12:32)
Magnus Carlsen drops out of FIDE WCH
An interesting interview of Magnus Carlsen on the FIDE World Championship cycle and privileges of the world champion.
Always the same question: Should the reigning world champion play the next cycle in the same conditions than the other players... (no IMO, by the way the 16, 32 {whatever} who would play this tournament do have privileges the same way)
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6789
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-06 03:44:55)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Well Thib it looks like a lot of people like the idea of doing 30days + 1day per move. That may open the door for you to play if you wanted to.
Garvin Gray (2010-11-06 06:19:34)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Jimmy,
Possible slight change to start date proposal.
I would like to see the competition either start on December 1 (one month earlier), or on about January 14.
The reason for this is to try and reduce the impact of Christmas. If the competition starts on January 1, games could time out without people even knowing that they started due to being on holidays.
Perhaps starting earlier might be helpful as it means the competition starts while there is the current momentum for it.
But middle January is also good as it will give a chance for the new ficgs ratings to be used.
I think it would also be prudent about a week before the start of round one to personally contact all the participants and get them to confirm they are playing. Only those that confirm their participation will be paired for round one.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-06 07:30:29)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
You make a good point about Christmas and even sometimes people do things on the New Year. I have to probably go with the January 14th idea. If only because I would like to give Dadi as much time as he needs to get the clock system to work. By I will leave a line on the Forum and see what people say. As for the give a week to get play to reply. I had already decide on that. I will be so much easily to do it that way. As to have to repair 2 or 3 times.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-06 14:42:22)
FREESTYLE CUP POKER
I would like to play in a poker tournament like that
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-06 15:00:19)
Strong Tournament at Rybka Forum
Hi Jimmy, good news! I'm sure that this format will attract more players.
Simone Calvello (2010-11-06 21:39:44)
FREESTYLE CUP POKER
If I manage to get enough E-points, I would be really glad to partecipate in such events!
Garvin Gray (2010-11-07 11:23:10)
rybka 4 opening book
Hello all,
I downloaded the Rybka 4 opening book and have had no end of problems trying to make it work.
I have read the rybka forums on adaptors and how to install, but they make about as much sense to me as a foreign language does.
I have contacted chessok and now am in back and forth emails about this topic and my dis-satisfaction with the products.
Is someone able to explain how to get the rybka 4 opening book to work in aquarium and Fritz 12 in really simple language. No coding please.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2010-11-07 16:33:07)
FREESTYLE CUP POKER
I would like to play this tournament if I have time.
Maybe we can use 10 min and 20 sec per hand as a time control. Thibault, is that technically possible? I think "hand" is a better unit than "move".
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-07 19:03:11)
rybka 4 opening book
Did you buy the Aquarium Rybka 4 book or just one called Rybka 4 Opening book? If not I maybe able to help. Sent me a PM and I can give you some assistants
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-08 16:51:04)
rybka 4 opening book
I sent you a PM that may help you.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-16 00:19:46)
If you plan on playing in the WBCCC
I've posted an official post for things on the Rykba Forum. Look under the WBCCC Forum there look at the Rules and Sign In's Thread. If you plan on playing drop your name there or here. It will also all the official info on it as it is 100% decide.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-17 22:51:58)
If you plan on playing in the WBCCC
I have you guys as playing. I just will be waiting for you to give me a user name when that comes around. I would look at some of the CC games there so you know how to play. You can look at my game with Scott over there and you can see how it is done.
Don Groves (2010-11-21 08:32:16)
GO: Game 32800
The moves under discussion in this thread are fuseki, not joseki. Joseki are certain patterns of moves primarily used when fighting in corners. Fuseki are initial moves, literally "the scattering of the stones."
Rolf Staggat (2010-11-24 13:03:46)
If you plan on playing in the WBCCC
Jimmy, what is WBCCC ?
For me, WBC is World Boxing Council.
A kind of correspondence boxing?
I am cruiser-weight, you have an opponent for me?
My first move is UPPERCUT!
Jimmy Huggins (2010-11-26 05:47:52)
If you plan on playing in the WBCCC
In my opinion the tournament rules and issues are done. You can read about it on the main page at WBCCC.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-11-30 22:32:53)
Improvements to score Go games
To all Go players,
I just made some significant improvements in the Go scorer (the option that enables to score Go games - see symbol "$" below the board in the fast moves mode)
Now the scorer recognizes many unfinished shapes & counts empty lines on the board correctly.
Still it shouldn't be totally trusted in all cases, particularly when some shapes in the center have no clear limits.
Any feedback is welcome. Note: you still have to remove dead groups by yourself.
Thibault Pillon (2010-12-02 02:03:51)
Improvements to score Go games
Just tried it. It seems to work fine.
Merci!!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-02 13:38:42)
Improvements to score Go games
New improvement in the scorer... now shapes in the center are also extrapolated, and you can check the extrapolated board below the given result
Finally, it should give quite correct results for most positions, even during the middlegame. (but you still have to remove dead groups)
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-06 20:53:07)
Eros Riccio vs Eros Riccio in WCH 5 ?
He did it... Eros Riccio qualifies for the 5th chess WCH final match (all games drawn against Alberto Gueci in the candidates final, knockout/round-robin rule decides, not TER here), and obviously he has "some chances" to meet himself at the top !! (of course he will not have to play the 12 games match in this case)
The crown will be probably very... very hard to take these next years, but I can predict that the winner, whoever he is, will have very tough matches to play to defend the title in the 6th (Alberto's revenge?), 7th and 8th edition... so many exciting games :)
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__WCH_CANDIDATES_FINAL__000005
Congrats Eros!
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-06 23:31:19)
Eros Riccio vs Eros Riccio in WCH 5 ?
Well Thib, Although I'm not one to change your system. I guess you will see what these faster time controls are like form my tournament. As I have some of your top players there. It maybe a good measuring stick. Like I had talk about... Its like a longer Freestyle.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-07 19:16:41)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
This is just a poll to see what others think. I had do I similar on the Rybka Forum, but seeing there would have be bias base on each forum I decide to do one on each one.
So the question is simple.
Who do you think among the FICGS side will have the best finish? choices--->
Wayne Lowrance
Gino Figlio
Sebastian Boehme
David Evans
Ruben Comes
Scott Nichols
Daniel Parmet
Kevin Plant
Ramil Germanes
Peter Marriott
Daniel Parmet
Hrubaru Mircea
To my knowledge that is everyone on this side. Since there is no poll option just post a name and if you want give an answer. Pairing will be posted in less than 3 weeks. Good Luck to everyone playing! and I'll try to keep the forum posted on updates as the tourney goes a long.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-07 19:21:30)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
Of course I vote for Wayne Lowrance. As a slight favorite. Not only to be the best finisher, but to win the tourney.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-07 19:34:08)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
Wayne has serious chances indeed IMO.
Sebastian Boehme (2010-12-07 20:10:10)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
Seriously do not underestimate Ruben Comes. Although he is still quite new to correspondence chess, I really think he has chances too to win this event.
Cheers,
Sebi
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-07 20:33:27)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
One note I forgot to mention... I can bet this will add some spice to this tourney. I'm going to talk to the rybka team about a chance for the winner of the tournament a chance to play a 2 game match against the rybka cluster. You can call it some kind of Centaur Champion vs Cluster Grand Championship. Of course there is still work to be done for this to happen. By I thought the players would be interested to know that.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-07 22:53:20)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
Good idea! So one more correspondence chess event to come...
Hi Sebi, I don't know Ruben's play enough that's right, but I guessed that his preparations for advanced (blitz) chess may be sort of trap for himself, corr. chess is really different. The point is IMO that for some reasons Wayne will play correspondence chess in this tournament while many others may play something between advanced chess and correspondence chess... Question of time also... But as Jimmy said, this would be a "slight" advantage after all, everything can happen and you have good chances too!
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-08 01:20:40)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
Its interesting. When I talked to Wayne about playing in this tournament. He said he could play if it was faster controls and the game count was low. I manage to do both. It seems he has played at this time control before.
To me the player with the lowest draw rate will win. And with the format winning with white will be a premium. Of course a long with Wayne. There are some dark horses to. With the elements of both Advance chess and CC play. David Evans and of course Ruben will both have to get some consideration.
Scott Nichols (2010-12-12 00:20:51)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
"IMO that for some reasons Wayne will play correspondence chess in this tournament while many others may play something between advanced chess and correspondence chess..." (Thibault) That is a brilliant quote Thib. It got me to thinking, I played corr. by mail back in the early 80's, no computers, we had to think and replay each game constantly. I reached a respectable rank. Now, with the machines, I think we take their play to much for granted. I mean, we think, this prog. is 3000+ rated, it has to be the best move, but in many many positions where sacrifice is involved, or complicated endgames, these machines don't have a clue. I think it is time to get back to playing "real" corr. chess again. Thanks Thib!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-12 14:38:22)
Who's the favorite in the WBCCC?
That's what I say to myself each time I lose a game after having played a move too fast :) Computers are still really weak in some complex positions (also in the middle game) but for some reasons we trust it... At the same time we always try to play openings that allow such positions, so not everything is lost yet.
The 80's were a great period for correspondence chess indeed. A friend of mine became very strong while playing corr. chess only during these years.
Patrice Gosteli (2010-12-13 15:49:25)
Improvements to score Go games
Salut Thibaut.
Je découvre ton site depuis peu, et j'adore.
Le go est pour moi le principal, mais je vais essayer d'apprendre le poker.
Je ne comprends pas '' the fast move mode'' ?
A+
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-13 18:52:48)
Improvements to score Go games
Salut Patrice! Merci, même s'il y a encore beaucoup à faire...
Le mode "fast move" nécessiterait une petite explication dans l'aide, en effet... On a le choix entre envoyer un coup en 1 étape (en visualisant la position finale avec javascript) avec le mode "fast moves" ou en 2 étapes (en visualisant la position finale en HTML uniquement) avec le mode "slow moves".
Si "slow moves" est indiqué dans la page My games, c'est que l'on est en mode "fast moves", mode par défaut pour les nouveaux joueurs. Dans ce mode on peut également envoyer le coup automatiquement (sans avoir à presser le bouton Send) avec l'option "touch move" dans Preferences.
Scott Nichols (2010-12-15 23:20:40)
Chess positions too complex for engines
Hi Thib. This is one of the main games I had in mind when I responded to your quote.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__BLITZ_SILVER__000019
Or Game #40749
After 50. ...Be2 Rybka could only think of lines keeping the King close to the g4 pawn. Try it yourself anybody, the engine just didn't get it. It was a blitz game, but even at that time control I could see that my black Bishop could guard against the pawn advance from afar. So the winning strategy was to march the King to the other side of the board and escort the a-pawn to the queening square. This idea obviously was far beyond the engines horizon. After that game, my respect for Rybka's endgame play went down considerably.
Philip Roe (2010-12-16 03:31:35)
Chess positions too complex for engines
This ending is taken from Nunn's Chess Endings (Om. Garcia-Otero,Cuba 2002).
ChessPosition (see diagram)
White, to play, can force a Queen and Pawns ending that would be a long slow win, but he can also make a very profound triangulation that leads much more forcefully to the win. Nunn was very impressed that White found this at the board.
I would be interested to know how the engines do on this position.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-17 19:16:31)
7 players tournament with fee & prize
How is this any different than a normal round robin?
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-17 21:06:59)
7 players tournament with fee & prize
By the way Thib I've read a few threads here today about prizes and classes for tournaments. And how you would want to win a tournament to move up in a tournament class or that was the debate. With that thinking, I wonder if that is part of the reason. Why my tourney is as popular as it is. It gives some players of lesser rating a chance to play higher rated players. An as you said in your next line. My tournament will technically not be rated. Even tho ratings will be used for pairing purposes. With the system in place. I believe a lot of the lower rated players will get a chance to play players 200 rating points or higher at some point in the tournament. Anyway thanks for the explanation. Getting excited with less than 2 weeks to go before pairing and 3 weeks after that before the tournament is underway. I've had a couple more names to my list and was happy to hear kam was going to play.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-18 20:22:34)
7 players tournament with fee & prize
Good luck with the tournament Jimmy, definitely I cannot play, but be sure that I'll keep an eye on it! I'm quite certain that it will be very instructive.
Patrice Gosteli (2010-12-19 12:12:36)
Server change (19th, december 2010)
HEEEEEElp!!!
How many hours do we have to stock adreneline?
(From 12 h. in swiss time.)
Don Groves (2010-12-20 04:03:49)
Server change (19th, december 2010)
When I try to connect to the secure server, I get the following error message:
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to www.ficgs.com.
SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
(Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
David Ang (2010-12-24 19:40:24)
Chess Christmas song
LOL! That was good Will. I think you trashed him pretty well on that one. +5
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-25 03:01:57)
Paypal box in My messages page
A small question, what would you say about the Paypal box in the My messages page?
1) It is useless
2) It is annoying
3) It is not clear that the site is free
4) It is not important, so why not
5) It is just ok
6) Something else
I hesitate between 3 & 4 actually...
Thanks for your help :)
Jai Prakash Singh (2010-12-28 16:11:11)
Chess Course by GM Igor Smirnov
Hi Chessfriends,
Can someone visit the link
http://chess-teacher.com/home#oid=1014_5
and please review if I shall buy this course to improve my endgame.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-29 11:37:07)
WBCCC news
I just got great word form Dadi Jonsson are Tech guy at Rybka. That are playing arena is in beta testing as we speak! And there is an 80% of be successful!
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-29 13:22:29)
WBCCC news
Hi Jimmy & Garvin. Same question here...
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-29 13:37:49)
WBCCC news
Form the letter I got. This is what I interpret it to be. First there will be a program that the players use. The program allows the players to play there games without having to look thought out the comments form the forum. As one player makes his move. It will go to the another player program ready to make his move next.
Now Dadi made the forum software so that when a move is made. That it will post the move in a thread form the present game between the two players.
So Gray I think Dadi maybe the one to create the games, but you will still be doing the pairings. I sent you his user name so the two of you can would on the other details so you can be the TD.
Thibault de Vassal (2010-12-29 14:04:23)
WBCCC news
I think it is about the implementation of the Xfcc client protocol at Rybkaforum.
Jimmy Huggins (2010-12-29 23:17:16)
WBCCC news
That maybe, But I went a head and posted the message I got for him on the Rybka site here.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20039
Gino Figlio (2010-12-30 02:58:07)
WBCCC news
I doubt it will be XFCC based since the rybka forum does not support it as far as I know and the remote playing module will interact with the rybka forum to update the games.
I believe this is similar to the remoteschach.de setup where you have the option to send your moves from your computer via a remote program.
Peter Unger (2011-01-03 00:26:00)
Private messages to the webmaster
I cant get to the following tournament - why - the accepted participants have no ELO 2300+
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_SM__000008
(type : rated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)
7 players, 6 game (1 game against each opponent)
entry fee : 0 , prize : 20 (E-Points)
elo : 2300+
POL Broniek, Mariusz Maciej 2106
SVK Gazi, Miroslav 2289
USA Nichols, Scott 2200
Jai Prakash Singh (2011-01-04 08:00:30)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems
Hi Chess Friends,
Now you can visit my new chess site
http://chessthinkingsystems.blogspot.com/
and suggest me some improvements.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-04 22:01:10)
WBCCC Pairings for Round 1 will be here
Hello to everyone, With in the next 12 to 24 hours the pairings for round 1 of the WBCCC will be known. I have a couple of other things to post here as well. 1.I will be running a commentary page here.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=19300
I invite all the FICGS players to follow. There fellow FICGS combatants in play and I and a couple of others will be doing live commentary as the games go on. I hope to see you ya there! (Thib, I know you will let your presents be know when you can ;)
The 2nd thing to be noted is the info the new software that is being used. All the info for that is here. Look below on the page and you will see my name with the info on it.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20068;pg=2
Good luck to everyone.
P.S. I will try to remember to use your real name on here. When I post to make it easier to follow for everyone else. I'll try to have an update as games finish to let everyone know what going on.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-05 22:26:22)
WBCCC Pairings for Round 1 will be here
Yeah starts the 15th. I'll let you guys know something more about the new software when it comes to me. It should be later this week. Or early next week
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-11 19:49:20)
WBCCC Pairings for Round 1 will be here
If you have the new Aquarium 4.06. You can now test the new software! Just leave a post here. http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20068 and sent a message to Dadi Jonsson that you would like to get your user name and password to use the new software.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-12 21:10:14)
Edward Kotlyanskiy vs Eros Ricco
That may have been the most beautiful tactical and combative match. I have ever seen, its says a lot since I've followed a lot of Wch matches on different sites.
Both players who have very similar artistic styles of play. Both made a lot of interesting problems for there opponent to solve. In truth one got the feeling the Edward Kotlyanskiy tired to hard at times in the match to beat Eros. But such a statement can be seen as an insult to him. But its not true at all because. Not many will have the resolve to play Eros Ricco that way.
Congrats to both for a match I won't soon forget.
Edward Kotlyanskiy (2011-01-13 01:29:48)
Eros Riccio is the new FICGS chess champ
I'd like to congratulate Eros on a very well played match. He had a very good match strategy coming into our games where he would try to put as much pressure on me as possible and hope for me to make a mistake. And it worked! A few mental slips on my part and before I knew it, I was lost. Just to re-emphasize what everyone already knows: Eros is undoubtedly one of the best corr players in the world. He deserved to win the championship. I thank him for making the games exciting, although maybe more for him than me :), and I look forward to playing with him again in the future.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-01-13 14:53:17)
Eros Riccio is the new FICGS chess champ
Two great players, a great match, much fairplay at the end, thank you... it will be hard to wait for about 10 months before the start of the next 12 games match in the 6th cycle (and yes I verified, Eros will not play himself this time :))
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-18 21:11:52)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
With less than 3 hours to go for the WBCCC Round 1 to begin. I will help everyone out here to follow what games they want to follow. Here are all the links for games.
B=Board, this is so you know who is at the top table and so on.
()=There real name on here if its needed.
B1-Wayne Lowerance vs ralunger(Ramil Germanes)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20187
B2-Uly(Vytron) vs Loboestepario(Gino Figlio)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20188
B3-Moz vs deka
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20191
B4-parmetd (Daniel Parmet) vs Sebastian Boehme
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20192
B5-National12 vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20193
B6-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Omprakash
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20194
B7-Mark Eldridge vs Weirwindle
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20195
B8-stepanie vs Ruben Comes
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20196
B9-Balabachi vs jitan
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20197
B10-Natmaku vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E. Plant)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20198
B11-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs Tomski1981
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20199
B12-CumnorChessClub(Kevin E.Plant) vs wight054
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20215
B13-Scott Nichols vs indrajit_sg
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20201
B14-donkasand vs David Evans
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20202
B15-ppipper vs Fulcrm2000
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20203
B16-Anne-Marge vs SchachProfi (Alex)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20204
B17-Kamesh(Kamesh Nookala) vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20225
Everyone plays 2 games in our Swiss style format per round. This is everyone's 2nd game.
B1-deka vs Wayne Lowrance
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20206
B2-Loboestepario(Gino Figilo) vs parmetd(Daniel Parmet)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20207
B3-ralunger(Ramil Germanes) vs Moz
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20208
B4-Sebastian Boehme vs Uly(Vytron)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20209
B5-Weirwindle vs National12
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20210
B6-Omprakash vs stephanie
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20211
B7-SpiderG(Peter Marriott) vs Mark Eldridge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20212
B8-Ruben Comes vs Schachmatt(Matthew O'Berin)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20213
B9-Tomski1981 vs Balabachi
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20214
B10-CumnorChessClub(Kevin E.Plant) vs wight054
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20215
B11-jatin vs keoki010(George Clement)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20217
B12-Sekos vs natmaku
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20219
B13-Fulcrum2000 vs Scott Nichols
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20220
B14-David Evans vs Anne-Marge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20221
B15-TheHug(Jimmy Huggins) vs ppipper
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20222
B16-SchachProfi (Alex) vs donkasand
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20223
B17-indrajit_sg vs Kamesh(Kamesh Nookala)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20224
This should make it easier for everyone to follow the games. Please leave comments for the players. They will would very much like it. I will try to update the forum as games go on and finish.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-01-18 21:19:47)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
Thanks Jimmy for posting the links. Good luck everyone... and to the tournament directors too! (I know this must be quite stressful to make a 1st edition with a new software)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-18 21:32:48)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
The undertaking of the software was very good! I was ever impressive with not only the Xxcfplay client, but the software being used to post all the moves to the Rybka Forum. Once a move is made it makes it to the threads you see above in just about a minute or less. Considering the time they had I gave them a A++.
Scott Nichols (2011-01-18 22:29:17)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
I second that Jimmy, and an A++ for you as well!
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-19 18:24:52)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
No Gray not an F for you. You get an A++ as well. You helped in many ways. And you will play a critical round in the games as the reach toward the end.
Scott Nichols (2011-01-23 11:21:15)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
Sad to say, Jimmy's one core computer gave out. He MAY have to forfeit first and maybe second round games before he gets back up. Meanwhile I will try to keep players up to date on FICGS side.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-09 20:28:47)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Okay, after another long thinking on the different effects of the possible changes, I think that we should try in a first time the following (something between proposals 2 & 4 plus minor improvements):
"All 2150+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) will play M & N class groups at stage 1. The two players with the highest scores (or TER in case of equality) of the M group will qualify for the round-robin final, while the player with the lowest score (or TER in case of equality) will be eliminated, the others will qualify for stage 2. The winner of the N group will qualify for the round-robin final and at most half the players in the group will qualify for stage 2, the others will be eliminated.
Also the new members declaring to use a chess engine when registering will get a provisional rating of 2000."
Let's see the effects during the next cycle, if things are not ok we'll reconsider the idea to prevent the provisionals to enter the wch waiting list. I don't like complex rules but I like the idea of "progressive" rules. Any argument in another way is always welcome.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-01-29 07:15:06)
Following the WBCCC games Round 1
I have been following the games for a couple of days now. I will get my new computer next week. I will make an update then.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-01-30 21:07:31)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH
Eros Riccio kindly accepted to answer a few questions on his win in the 4th FICGS chess WCH, and explained how one particular game influenced another one that he finally won:
- Hi Eros, first of all congratulations for your latest outstanding results at FICGS, you won the Freestyle tournament, now two chess championships in a row... When the privilege of the champion is to defend his title without playing the preliminary tournaments, you are involved in all championship cycles & a few regular tournaments, do you plan to avoid that anyone can even reach the championship final in the future? :-)
Thanks! I must admit that this is really a magic moment for me in chess... if you consider that despite my recent ICCF Grand Master Title, probably I will also soon win my third italian Correspondence Champion Title out of three participations in the Italian Final Tournaments. And now also this huge satisfaction of being the FICGS Champion! I look forward to seeing a new challenger soon, I wonder who he will be, but let me enjoy the next few months for now ;-)
- What are your impressions on the games? Did you have any strategy from the beginning to the end? Finally did it work or was there another factor? (without revealing your secrets, of course :))
The games in the opening were as I expected, all Najdorf Sicilians except one game where I played 1.d4. My goal was to win at least one game, so I tried different aggressive variations as White (6.Bg5, 6.f3, 6.Be3 and 6.h3) with the hope of catching Edward unprepared on at least one of these, but uff, he was very well prepared on each one of them! A curious thing is that my biggest chance of winning happened in a game where I had the Black pieces! So Edward had to take some risks in one of his games where he had Black (the games where he had White were already finished or all very drawish) he was forced to avoid an easy draw he had (the 6.h3 game) and eventually he lost that game. Happy of having reached my goal of winning at least one game, I accepted his draw offer in that other game (6.f3 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.Be3 Be7 9.Be2) where I had good winning chances.
- You probably noticed, like many correspondence chess players, that the hardware still fastly improves while chess engines are continuously getting stronger, particularly since that "supposed" clones of Rybka (some may be even stronger than Rybka herself) appeared in the race. Do you think that the rate of draws will be so high soon that it may definitely kill correspondence chess? Do you have any opinion on these new engines?
I think that despite the big improvement of Hardwares and engines, we are still very far (and we will still be in the next 5 years, hopefully) from a situation where all the games will most probably end in a draw. So I think we can enjoy correspondence chess for many more years in the future, even if of course the Draw percentage at the highest levels will be higher and higher.
- I remember that you were surprised to win your match against Alberto in the Candidates Final of the 5th cycle (the reason why you do not even have to defend your title this time), the WCH rules (particularly the co-existence of the round-robin tournament & knockout tournament) are obviously not well understood by all players, what do you think about this system and the tie in 8 games matches? Are there changes you'd like to see in the future?
Yes, I really was! We were both convinced that with all draws, the higher rated player would have won (Alberto was higher rated than me in that match). Anyway it was our fault, as we didn't read the rules carefully. I am not sure what changes could be done in the future... maybe this is anyway the best setup, no new ideas are coming to my mind right now.
- Do you have a few more words for Edward after these nice games? Maybe also for your future opponents? :)
It was a real pleasure for me to play him, not only for the interesting games we played, but also for the friendly chats we had during the exchanges of the moves. I hope to play him again in the future for a rematch.
- Thanks for your answers and congratulations again!
Welcome, and thanks ;-)
_________
It is very interesting to see that a even a player like Eros prefered to minimize the risks (avoiding mouse drops or whatever) as much as possible by accepting a draw in a game where he had winning chances. Correspondence chess is definitely not all about chess, that's probably the lesson.
Also it is reassuring to read that correspondence chess is NOT dead yet, nor soon :)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-02 19:50:00)
Update for BigChess & Poker rating rules
Hi all, it was a long time there wasn't any update in rating rules.
First of all, as the number of results at Poker Holdem is quite high, I feel that a change should be tried so that ratings move less fast.
Case of a win (rating > 1999) : New Rating = ((39 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 40
Case of a win (rating < 2000) : New Rating = ((38 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 40
Case of a loss : New Rating = ((39 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 40
As for Big Chess, the ratings deflate because there isn't the same rule than in Poker or Advanced Chess, this is now fixed :
If there's a winner and if his rating is below 2000, his new rating his :
New Rating = ((18 x Current Rating) + (2 x Performance)) / 20
Otherwise :
New Rating = ((19 x Current Rating) + (1 x Performance)) / 20
This rule may look strange from a mathematical point of view, but combined to the other rules that provoke deflation, it gives really good results IMHO. Let's see how it works here.
Scott Nichols (2011-02-04 00:27:30)
Creating an Opening book
You click on "file" and then "new" and then "opening book". Name the book whatever you want. Then import games or books into by clicking on analysis, opening book, import games.
Part 2, I don't think there is a way, :)
Kamesh Nookala (2011-02-06 04:14:32)
Segregation of Games on this Server
Thib,
I will tell why i face the difficulty with my database. I have one single database, which is a collection of games from everywhere, be it Correspondence or be it games from playchess. Then, whenever i download games, i happen to merge them into my main single database. Everytime, i have to run a doubles check.
There is also a funny thing which i noticed. The game file for these games from FICGS is always chess.pgn. I have to create a new DB with crap name (remember: not identical to any name of the DB from which i earlier merged games to my single DB, reason is though the games are different, based on the import database name, the games will be marked doubles) and then merge them to the single DB. Again filtering applies. So, we can help you a bit with ideas to create a collection of games, as I hope everyone deletes the LINE games, which are still underway :)
Kamesh Nookala (2011-02-06 04:15:39)
Segregation of Games on this Server
Replacing can simply be done. But then, you have to have these games in your DB :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-12 04:18:32)
WBCCC Round 1 Update
This is the first update for the WBCCC, I guess some of you have been following some of the games there. There have been a lot of interesting games and some surprises a lot the way. As I'm reporting on the FICGS forum I will make most of this about the FICGS side. Here are some results so far and starting at the top boards.
B2 Uly(Vytron) vs Gino Figlio- Gino does a good job of defending a ..2.e6 line of the Sicilian. And both players agree to a draw after 34 moves.
B4 Daniel Parmet vs Sebastian Boehme- This was a Poison Pawn line of the Sicilian. The game ended before it even got out of book. A short draw, I think both people agreed that it was a good result for each player.
B6- Matt O'Brein vs Omprakash- A surprise if only for how short the game was. Matt shows his tactual muscles when his higher rated opponent much of had and oversight in this defense. As 23.g6! h6 24.Bxh6! and it looks like black has burned his bridges in this game.
B8-Stephanie vs Ruben Comes- This maybe the biggest surprise in round at least in terms of the bigger name on the FICGS side. Stephanie what looks to be a prefect opening all of the B90 lines and everyone agrees 32.Bc3! to be a new novelty and a very good one at that. Stephanie went on to grind Ruben down to a lost endgame. I very interesting game that has be to be seen to believe, I guess this going to show, that not all B90 lines lend to draws.
B13-Scott Nichols vs indrajit_sg- This was a long fought draw. When looking at the game early I thought white may have some chance to take advantage of his open g-file. But not a lot materialize later in the endgame(form the engines point of view).
B14-donkasand vs David Evans- David enter into dangerous territory with this B90 line. At move 19 he played ..Rb8 which looks to be a move to get out of book, because the other moves didn't look so good. Credit to David for finding a draw line in this game. Its another game with a look.
Kamesh Nookala vs Jimmy Huggins- What can I say I played an experimental opening and it backfired :) A well played game by Kamesh. Thanks for the chance to have a good fight with you.
Now on the 2nd set of games(Each player has 2 games in each round)
B3 Ramil Germanes vs Moz- Ramil here played a safe line in the B90 form the white side. So this looked like and easy draw.
B4 Sebastian Boehme vs Uly(Vytron)- Vytron plays and interesting side line of the Crao-Kann and play was very shape, but I got the feeling black played to ambitiously and had the worse of the position. He found a good defensive sacrifice and the good was hold to a draw. I think Sebi had winning chances, but I will have to look over the game to come up with an idea on that one. Anyway a great game to look over.
Ruben Comes vs Matthew O'Berin- Maybe the sharpest and most ambitious game in round 1. This goes in the the B97 lines, but Ruben goes for the Qf3 side line and produces a complex position after Rd3. I love this game so much I want to post the link again for everyone to please watch this game and post a comment about it.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=20213
B13 Fulcrum2000 vs Scott Nichols- Scott tries his luck to be ambitious and backfires with his Bh4 idea. Even when looking at the game. I was thinking it to be a good idea, but as it turns out. It goes as just losing a tempo. I thought this was one of the more instructive games of the round. I liked the way white played the endgame.
And the last result I have for the round for the FICGS players is
B17-indrajit_sg vs Kamesh Nookala- This was an interesting draw were white plays and early sideline in the Sicilian that tends to be drawish unless black forces the play. Another well played game by both sides.
I just want to say there are a lot of games one should look at. As more results come in on the FICGS side I will posted. In my opinion one should follow Wayne's games I have enjoyed his play so far. He had to comeback some in his wild game with black vs deka, but I get the feeling this game will ended in a draw. I would also follow the underrated Matt O'Berin in games to come. He has proven to be a great player so far.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-13 01:38:44)
WBCCC Round 1 Update
Hi Jimmy, thanks for this nice report! As always, you're a great commentator :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-15 23:53:16)
WBCCC Round 1 Update
Well the round isn't over yet, but if you would want one of a file for the current finish games I can do that.
Scott Nichols (2011-02-17 00:38:10)
request again tour
Hi Thib, I thought I'd take another stab at this. I would like to request a new tournament format. It would be UNRATED WITH entry fee using E-points. Time control a total of 10 days with NO INCREMENT. Winner gets all the points.
This is working very well at the WBCCC. People use their time more wisely with no increment, instead of always waiting till the end and playing fast using just the increment.
And since it is unrated WITH entry fee, your argument about time losses from before seem irrevelant.
Thanks, Scott.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-17 03:35:12)
request again tour
I would have to gets some e-points. But I wouldn't mind giving it a shoot.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-17 03:39:08)
request again tour
All thought we would have to test it some and see what people think of it. Couldn't it be use with your advance chess rating? I guess it would be a longer adv game.
Kamesh Nookala (2011-02-17 08:37:45)
request again tour
Dear Scott,
That's a nice suggestion. But its implementation as of now with the WBCCC already underway is something which, at least for me, is a bit stressful. I am not at pc, and cannot be, 24x7. Of course, for people like you and many others, this will be an interesting factor. Thumbs up for such a suggestion!!
In the present scenario, I would highly recommend hosting of Freestyles at regular intervals BUT WITH WIDE PUBLICITY in all possible forums. With the WBCCC Format and given the fact that Freestyle at FICGS finishes in just 2 days or can even be 4 days (two Saturdays and two Sundays depending on the number of rounds we can increase keeping in view the Number of Players), I put my thrust upon another Freestyle event soon. Many can feel comfortable with a freestyle than a 10 days (no increment) battle, where the guys at home can have full advantage of and those at work under constant pressure :)
This is just my opinion :)
PS:: I am, not for a single moment, saying what you suggested is bad. That can help people like you. I believe it is awesome. But, for the present situation at WBCCC
Scott Nichols (2011-02-17 16:00:54)
request again tour
Just another quick thought. The guys at ChessPlanet did a great job in very little time to make the WBCCC the success it is.
But FICGS IMHO is simply the best interface on the web. Throughout the years Thib has make little tweeks and improvements to make it what it is today. So I see other places and ideas and think, how nice it would be to use those ideas on FICGS.
Kamesh Nookala (2011-02-17 19:13:14)
Friends, let's revolutionaize FICGS!!!!
Hi Guys,
FICGS is a great place. Atleast for me. I am very much attracted to the style of play. For more competitive play and attracting more correspondence chess players, while maintaining the purpose of correspondence chess, I think we all can help contribute in making FICGS the greatest server of all times to come.
I know what matters is real stuff, like the ICCF, but why not strengthen the identity of FICGS itself. We can have some games with various other servers (for e.g. the Rybkaforum match we had)
This way, in a calendar year we can have our tours fixed with each server, be it German or anything else.
As far as Thib is concerned, he is too much preoccupied maintaining the server. So, I request each and every member of this Server to throw some of their valuable inputs.
Warm Regards,
Kam
Daniel Parmet (2011-02-17 20:13:16)
request again tour
I think increment of 8 hours is a good idea. I find on average I lose 8 hours in my WBCCC game just cause of time difference. He moves literally 5minutes after I go to sleep.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-18 03:47:01)
request again tour
Daniel is "parmetd"
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-19 06:08:56)
WBCCC Round 1 Update
B5- National12(Paul) vs Peter Marriot- And interesting B90 game. Were 9...Be7 was thought to be the beginning of his trouble. Of course white, push for the full point the whole game and Peter finally throw in the towel at move 48. Paul showed good form in this game. I would follow his games with interested gong forward.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-21 13:58:24)
Silver chess games, W/B balance
You're right, the main problem is obviously that we are too busy by games played at standard time controls but it is not a reason to try to improve the prize breakdown :)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-23 12:59:06)
Conditional Moves
Well, I often see poker players moving instantly or almost (half a second?!), but they do no use any plugin for sure... But sometimes you may have to play 2 consecutive moves at Poker, that looks like your case!
I don't think that such a plugin would be efficient or useful.
David Ang (2011-02-23 22:20:35)
How long does it take?
Thanks Thib, I seen him in a tournament now.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-24 18:14:53)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
IMO the "bad" (if bad, actually I prefer random) consequences are not eliminated but only postponed while adding more complex rules. Better (from a ratings & results point of view) would be to block the entry to these players, but but...
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-24 18:49:15)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
If it is a problem with unrated players. Is it possible to have all players have to play at least 1 tournament before they enter Wch, I know that is not a lot of info to go on. But a provisional is a lot better than no rating at all.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-24 19:25:52)
WBCCC Round 1 Update
Wayne Lowerence has drawn both of his matches in round 1 today. When the round is over I will give a final in depth recap and post a link for the PGN for round 1.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-26 22:44:09)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Okay, I'm really thinking about a solution but right now I'm not completely satisfied with this option of having these groups of provisionnaly rated players. I really think that it just moves & postpons the problem while losing some advantages, by the way many established ratings are still underestimated...
I would like to try to explain again my whole point of view on the current wch rules. The way I've been thinking this championship is purely statistical, the idea was to find the best chances to see ALL the best players in the final rounds about each 2 years. It worked quite well so far IMO, actually my main regret is not to be able to extend the knockout tournament of 1 round (we would have 16 players instead of 8), that's why it is not possible anyway to have less than 5 rounds for the whole cycle. Each one is 30 to 40 months long, it could be worse. So the whole cycle's aim is not only to find the best player of the cycle but to give chances enough as quickly as possible to the new underrated players for the next cycles!
On this point, I'm quite glad to see players like Wayne who made it the very hard way, starting from ELO 1400 (!) to reach 2540 in about 3 years only. The WCH cycle helped many other players to find their place quite quickly in the rating list, also over 2400, and I have no doubt that the best players of the round-robin cycle play the round-robin final. Usually none of these new underrated players play the RR final, they have less chances than 2200 ones to play the 2nd round because of the TER rule but they win some elo points during the 1st round. That is fair IMO, some logical improvements now protect the ratings of 2200-2300 players but I agree that it is still hard to cross certain rating ranges because ratings do not inflate the same way than advanced chess, Go or poker ones.
In summary, let's say that it is unfair that 2200 players play 1 or 2 underrated players + one player rated about 2000 who may be worth 2100 or 2200, 2300 & more... He will probably lose some rating points during round 1. However he has more chances to reach round 2 with few chances to win but more chances to get some/many elo points back.
I do not say that there is no "problem" with the current WCH rules set (there will always be border effects, whatever the rules) but my point is that I'm not sure that any change that will have heavy consequences will have good effects enough.
Finally, if the most is favourable to such a change, it looks more logical to me to forbid the provisionnaly rated players to enter the wch waiting list. By the way we will have less forfeits during round 1, so the quality of the results may be improved. What do you think?
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-27 00:40:41)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Do you have to have played at least one tournament. To not be a provisional?
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-27 00:41:45)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Or to put it another way. Would I be able to play? I think I played in 2 tournaments I think.
Garvin Gray (2011-02-27 02:47:16)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Thib, I have explained my point of view quite a few times and when you reply you keep either accidently mis-interpreting it, or are doing it deliberately.
I suspect there might be a language issue between English as a first language and French as a first language.
My issue is with the first stage groups, to which most of the players are allocated.
In none of my previous posts have I mentioned UNDERRATED players ie those who have established ratings on here, but most likely their true playing standard is higher than their rating.
I will try and explain my position again and I now see I am not alone in having this opinion.
With 15 or so groups in the first stage and having some players provisionally rated at 1800, this means those '1800' are seeded in the different groups at player number 3 or 4.
But a few of the '1800's' turn out to be quite stronger than that rating, meaning the genuine rated 2100's in that group get another person who can play to their level, whereas in another group which did not have an '1800er', the group that did not have the provisional 1800 gets a statistical advantage by having one less stronger player to qualify for round two.
Now to the argument that putting the provisionals in groups by themselves only delays the problem.
If there are only one or two provisional groups, then this means that only one or two provisionals make it through to round two.
While this idea makes those groups of questionable standard, it is extremely likely that whoever comes out of the provi groups is going to be of decent standard.
Garvin Gray (2011-02-27 09:28:07)
Plea for classical rating help
I do not have a solution for what I am about to whinge about, but it is a situation I am getting a little tired of on this site and I see the situation as rather terminal to my participation here.
For the last 12 rating periods, I have had a rating between 2100 and 2200. In the one tournament where I got to play a field with consistent 2200's, I scored 50% or better.
What I am noticing more and more is that for me it is impossible to get opportunities to find out what my true standard is on here.
I am continually having to play people rated around myself or below and these includes those who are provisionally rated 1800 or 2100. When these games are drawn or lost, my rating is dragged down quite a bit.
I do not ever get the opportunity get those points back by playing people above 2200.
It is an issue that I am so sick of and I feel that my progress is being stunted because of it. My rating progress is certainly being stunted.
We do have the higher ticket idea, but that still takes six months to win one and that does NOT help a persons rating all that much.
With the WCH cycle as it is, I also do not have an opportunity to qualify straight through to group 2, like those with higher ratings do.
As I said, this is a bit of a whinge, but I really am sick of this issue and would like some more opportunities to try and find out what I am like against higher rated opponents.
It is part of the reason why I have also asked that the top rateds in the WCH are not segregated from the lower rated as they are atm. I think they should be made to start from stage 1.
Only the defending champion and possibly the defeated previous finalist should receive preferential treatment.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-27 21:34:13)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Hi Garvin, sure there might be a language issue... sorry about that :/ I think I only try to interpret what you say in terms of consequences on the whole thing but I may be wrong at some points, be sure I'm not trying to avoid anything deliberately.
The provisional rating already takes account of if the player uses an engine or not (at least I try to make an estimation on what the new member says in the registration form).
As I just said in the other discussion, maybe we could try to extend the M groups to the 2200-2300 players, it may satisfy everyone as it is probably easier to cross the 2000 barrier than the 2200's, what do you think?
Garvin Gray (2011-02-28 02:09:54)
Plea for classical rating help
I do know what my previous rating are. That is my point, my rating is stationary and I believe this is because I am not getting the EVEN opportunity to improve it by playing higher rated players often enough.
If I had many games against 2200+ers and had a poor record, then the conclusion would be very different ie not good enough yet for that rating.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-28 04:38:07)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Thib I feel for you :) Making a good tournament format is very hard. I know I pulled teeth to try and make my format. I had to do two things for my. 1.Make few games as possible and 2.Make it a reasonable time table for a blitz world championship. I believe Garvin did a great job with this in the parings. Lucky we didn't have a lot of unrated players. So Thib I would like to help, but can I ask a favor to you. Is it possible to get a breakdown of the ratings of the players for the last Wch? I think this would be helpful to maybe coming up with a solution. So maybe like..
What was the number of.
2300's+
2200's
2100's
2000's
1900's
1800's
below 1800's
provisional's
I know this maybe some work, but this breakdown can give us a picture of what you have. Personally speaking I think Garvin's idea is decent. Were you can put the highest advance provisional player in the lower stage round 2 bracket and the same for the lowest provisional player to go to the higher round 2 bracket, by performance of stage 1. I guess when you talk about statistical merits for your Wch tournament. You are trying to get the lowest error rate, but get the best value to it.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-28 16:05:47)
Plea for classical rating help
My point is that you never entered a class M waiting list while you were able to do it during maybe 6 months... During this time you entered many Rapid M & Class A tournaments (you play many games) so there may be also a rating management question into the problem IMHO. The same way you played 3 rapid silver tournaments, 2 against players with low ratings and 1 against Eros (good opportunity!) that you lost. These times many ~2200 rated players enter this waiting list.
Anyway I'll make other proposals in the other discussion today.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-02-28 21:02:18)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
@Garvin:
I suggest that all 2200+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) play the M group at stage 1 OR that all 2100+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) play the M group at stage 1 with the new rule that only half the players in these M groups can qualify for stage 2 and still 1 for stage 3. This combined to another new rule that would allow new members declaring to use a chess engine (not so many so far, maybe 20%) when registering would have a provisional rating of 2000 would solve IMO this issue (2000-2100 players would lose less points to those strong provisionally rated players during the wch) and would help to somewhat inflate the ratings that would be a logical thing when seeing the whole correspondence chess standards at the other sites (some already use this 2000 prov. rating). The ratings may even deflate due to the 10 moves rule. Actually I think I would be very favourable to one of these changes.
@Jimmy:
Fortunately there are players like Garvin, Scott, Gino & others who really helped to build the FICGS rules :) On the numbers of players by rating range, it is quite different from a cycle to another, sometimes we have 2 M groups, sometimes there is no M group at all so I'm not sure if it would be representative. Still I'm not favourable at all to have groups of provisionally rated players.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-28 22:44:19)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Your right Thib, nice to have experience :) I also had the help of Gino and Garvin. In seeing that, I will just watch form the sidelines now :)
Daniel Parmet (2011-02-28 23:29:13)
Plea for classical rating help
I feel I have the same problem as Garvin. But it does not bother me as much as I consider playing otb the real place for improvement. I just use corr as a chance to test my otb ideas. However, I still try to seek out the strongest players I am allowed to play. The restrictions I have found in most correspondence sites though is that I am not allowed to play the stronger players. The 2150 rule does not help me as I am at a mere 2100.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-02-28 23:37:33)
Plea for classical rating help
I guess that is one reason why you like my tournament. You get a chance to face strong players at every point, almost.
Daniel Parmet (2011-02-28 23:50:22)
Plea for classical rating help
yes this is exactly why I love your tournament ;) losses do not bother me. I learn from them. This has been my philosophy ever since I picked up chess a mere 3 years ago. What bothers me is all the restrictions people put into to place to prevent players from improving. Most do it unintentionally. However, many US organizers do it intentionally. They either cap their event sections strictly for 2200+ or they make insane rating determine entry fees. For a non 2400+ player to enter a GM norm swiss event it can cost $400. Or for an expert to enter a 2200+ section will cost you an extra $50 at the Goichberg style events or an extra $100 for the National Open.
It is this kind lunacy that makes improvement hard. You can have all the time and money in the world and still find through no lack of effort or skill that you are not allowed to improve.
I find most of the otb tournaments I am allowed to play in now... I usually end up being seed 1 or 2. Not exactly encouragement for me to use my whole weekend is it? I would dream to be able to enter a swiss where I am the bottom seed. But for this to happen I have to break the barriers without the extreme advantage of being allowed to play strong players.
FYI, I practice what I speak. The local tournament I am running next in my area will feature 5 masters (1 IM, 2 FM and 2 NM) - and it has a low entry fee. This is the type of event I wish was more common...
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-02 10:51:41)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
I didn't see it that way. I know there will always be possible improvements, it is just not so easy to find the best ones.
Garvin Gray (2011-03-02 14:59:29)
Plea for classical rating help
Thib- The tickets system also allow you to enter the CLASS M (2200+) waiting list for 10 Epoints if your rating is above 2150.
====================
Apologies for the slow replies. From looking at both threads on these items I wanted to wait to see if there were any trends. Not so far.
On to the comment I have picked out above, I just looked at the SM Rapid group and I notice three players who I think have accepted the 10 euro scheme into a tournament with 2300 players.
When I saw your comment about the ticket system, I was concerned that it could mean that a few 2150 ers enter the tournament and it ruins the experience for all.
This seems to have occurred where the scheme is in place to give the opportunity for a person to play higher rated opponents.
In fact, rechecking the SM rapid, no player is above 2300.
Perhaps the 2150 scheme should be limited to one acceptance per 2300 group. When that tournament fills, another 2150 person can accept.
So as it stands, I will not be joining that tournament as it will acheive nothing more than I am getting now, and I would be paying 10 euro for the privilege of getting nothing more than what I get now.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-02 15:44:26)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Hi Garvin :)
The main point is IMO this suggestion:
"All 2100+, 2150+ or 2200+ players (but the 8 of the knockout tournament) could play the M groups at stage 1 with the new rule that only half the players in these M groups can qualify for stage 2, while the winners will qualify for stage 3 as before.
Combined to another new rule, that would allow new members declaring to use a chess engine (not so many so far, maybe 20%) when registering to get a provisional rating of 2000, it could solve this issue.
Indeed 2000-2100 players would lose less points to those strong provisionally rated players during the regular wch groups, while they keep more chances to qualify for round 2, and it would help to somewhat inflate the ratings that would be a logical thing when seeing the whole correspondence chess standards at the other sites (some already use this 2000 prov. rating).
The ratings may even deflate due to the 10 moves rule."
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-03 14:26:01)
Plea for classical rating help
Sorry as well, I missed your last message in this discussion. So...
1) On tickets for class M ("...if your rating is above 2150"), that was my point, nothing prevented you to use this trick when your rating was above 2150.
2) On the next Rapid SM, only 2 players used it, Marius was above 2300 then lost many elo points as he had to forfeit several games, Miroslav also was above 2300 and lost a few points. That's a border case and it may happen. Anyway only 2 players under the rating limit can enter a waiting list.
3) To clarify, there is no 2150 scheme! 2150 is for the case of Class M, for Rapid SM you have to be rated 2250-2299 or to win a Rapid M event to use the ticket system.
4) You are probably right on the Rapid SM case anyway, maybe the ticket system rule should allow players to use a ticket only if there are no more than 2 players (including players not using a ticket) under the rating range.
5) Anyway you couldn't enter the Rapid SM waiting list unless you win a Rapid M tournament. But my point was only that you could have joinded a Class M several times (with most players rated above 2200)...
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-05 06:14:08)
Poll for best game of round 1
If you have been following some of the games I would like for you to cast a vote for the best game of Round 1. Look here for the poll and read the directions because I was unable to put up all the games for vote.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21096
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-05 13:43:30)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
There is no similar issue for 2000's IMHO, it is probably easier to cross the 2000-2100 barrier than the 2100-2200 and of course 2200-2300. And once again they would lose much less rating points against these new 2000 provisionally rated players (that's mathematical).
On provisional ratings depending on if players declare if an engine is used, even ICCF (as far as I know) grants a 2000 prov. rating to some players, I was not convinced so far but finally... Of course new players can "lie" or change their mind on using an engine, they'll not be kicked out of any tournament but such a rule is surely better than nothing to get ratings more coherent, btw it is just an improvement of the current rule (new players who have no rating anywhere can choose their first rating between 1200 & 1800, and of course I fix it if e.g. the player declares to play with an engine with a new rating of 1200).
Anyway the idea of players needing to have an established rating before being able to enter the WCH is also fine to me. Let's just try to have more opinions on this.
Eros Riccio (2011-03-05 18:28:33)
Strange game
sadly some players continue (almost) until mate thinking all their time.
That is allowed in the rules, (I am not sure if a game can be forcedly adjudicated if the position has 6 or less piecees, if you can prove you have the 6 man tablebases) even if it is considered (very) unfair to common sense. All you can do is try not to lose your patience and try to avoid such opponents in the future.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-05 20:42:50)
Strange game
There's a rule that can help in such cases: 11.5 "(...) if a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously lasts the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated."
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-05 22:07:48)
Strange game
That is still to long, but really it just seems like bad sportsmanship.
Sebastian Boehme (2011-03-05 23:33:35)
Strange game
For my part I can say, I will always resign if I feel the game is just useless, because it saves me a lot of energy.
And really why waste time on a lost position? There are better ways to spend it.
Have a walk, listen to some good music, watch a good movie. Enjoy the time! ;)
Mariusz Maciej Broniek (2011-03-06 08:56:45)
Strange game
Hi;0)
maybe I am wrong in my opinion, but I think, that playing chess is for fun! I have a 7yo son, and he traing hard to learn playing chess. In lose position he play move by move and what is bad in that situation? It is only a hobby, its only for fun.. Not for rating, not for 1,0,=. All in FICGS used computers to play, he used a young brain and learn lose too. It is very important in my opinion. I have few games in the same sytuation - I am winner - but I have a time and... dont wont to die too ;0)) BECAUSE IT IS ALL ONLY FOR FUN.
Kind regards to you Alexander
Mariusz
Alexander Blinchevsky (2011-03-06 19:33:11)
Strange game
Hi Mariusz!
Thank you for detailed explanation.
For sure, your son needs using all the time till the end of control in such complicated position, am I right? Just for fun, of cause ;)
Garvin Gray (2011-03-07 16:30:52)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
I can sum up my position in a few simple words from what I have read here:
Kick out the provies, make them earn their entry and
no special groups for the 2300 rated. Make them start with the rest of the riff raff from round one.
Daniel Parmet (2011-03-07 19:24:44)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
How hard is really for these people to play 9 games? I would amend choice 5 to say no provisional unless they provide another corr website they play on to get a point of parity for their rating (like LSS/ICCF). I mean really the players most likely to timeout are those who have never played a single game of correspondence ever in their life.
I would also point out that if the special rating group is extended to 2100 then I won't be playing. No reason for me to play stage 1 if i'm top seed.
Why did the groups get changed from 8 man groups to 6 man groups?
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-07 21:09:18)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Hi Daniel! In brief (before my huge next post):
"How hard to play 9 games": Not hard, but it may take months, maybe more than a year. That's a problem :/
On top seeds, I agree and that's the point to make "class groups" as much as possible. So everyone cannot have equal chances.
On the number of players per group, it only depends on the total number of players in the waiting list. Sometimes it is not possible to build groups of 9 players.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-07 21:18:26)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
On top seeds again, maybe I agreed too fast... Actually I agree that being the top seed is a good way to lose some elo points (but that's not the real point of playing a championship, the current FICGS champion will agree there ;)), but I think that I would prefer to play regular groups as the top seed with the 2100 limit than as the top seed with the 2300 limit. Less points to lose -particularly if the 2000 prov. rating rule is accepted- & more chances to play the next round!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-07 21:45:17)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Well, I see that the idea of "equal chances for everyone" is still in the debate, that's quite strange as I thought it was obvious & accepted that such a thing cannot exist in correspondence chess.
No correspondence chess championship format can give equal chances to everyone because there is no time for this, and to try to do it only gives less chances to the best player to win it.
The way IECG & ICCF do it has probably as many advantages & inconvenients as we do it at FICGS but at the end the efficiency is quite similar to find as accurately as possible the best player among the highest rated ones IMO & everyone have NOT equal chances (either you have to play a few rounds more or there is a TER rule or whatever).
I'm not saying that one format is better than others, some will like the FICGS format, some will prefer other formats, that's all IMO. Do not think that the WBCCC format solves all problems, it tries to avoid the time problem but the number of players is very limited in the running edition.
Finally, why to play another ICCF/IECG championship here?
I think that there is no argument that can justify that all players (including the 8 players of the knockout after all) should play in regular groups, as well as no argument can justify the opposite. It was just a choice to make it different and somewhat looking like the old FIDE championship.
That's why choices 2) & 4) are really best to me. 2) may be better because the range 2100-2400~ may be too large for M groups, but another solution may be to build M (2250-2400)& N (2100-2250) groups like it was done in one WCH cycle, where the number of qualified players were different. Actually the idea of class groups with different numbers of qualified players is really interesting but of course, the chances are not the same for everyone once again.
Whatever the choice, surely it will not be ok for some players for any reason, but I'm now quite sure that a change should be done.
Wayne Lowrance (2011-03-08 06:19:02)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Howdy all. I have stayed out of this discussion. I am biased for sure. Garvin I can see your side, it is tough. But I believe in the existing format. Maybe a few minor tweaks are ok, we will see I guess. Garvin if your good enough, in time you will climb the ladder. If that is your goal. I have played at ficgs for what seems like forever. I started out at 1400.I came here with a previous 4 year record at another side with a rating of 2300.
I did not think I would ever get past 2200. In fact a member told me face to face via ficgs I would never go higher. I got all the more determined. This does not help you but I just wanted to tell you it can be done.
Maybe it is not fair.
Another personnel observation of apparent unfairness. aboard a ship in the navy first class petty officers get to jump ahead in the chow line. It is not fair, but that is the way it was. Man when I promoted to first class I had no compulsion to jump in ahead of long chow line.
So Thibault I ask for no drastic step to ficgs rating posture.
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-10 02:45:04)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
I'm not clear enough, as too often :/
Let's say that there are 33 players over 2150 in the waiting list. 8 will play the knockout, 7 (over 2300) will play the M group and 18 will play in two N groups of 9 players. From the M group, 2 will qualify for the round-robin final (round 3), and 4 will play round 2. From the N groups, 1 from each one will qualify for the round-robin final (round 3), and 4 from each one will play round 2. So from these 33 players, 12 will play in the round-robin groups stage 2.
Maybe this formulation (that should be included into the wch rules) will be clearer:
"Players with a rating superior or equal to 2300 will play 1st stage in class M groups if possible. From these groups the two players obtaining the best score will qualify for the round-robin final stage 3, the player obtaining the lowest score will be eliminated, the others will play stage 2.
Other players with a rating superior or equal to 2150 will play 1st stage in class N groups if possible. From these groups the winner will qualify for the round-robin final, at most half the players from these groups will qualify for round 2."
Garvin Gray (2011-03-10 02:46:05)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
I think I understand the changes Daniel, so lets see how this goes.
The top eight rated players who have to nominate to play in this section participate in knockout matches (that is still the same).
Stage 1.
All players rated above 2150+ are placed in their own round robin groups, these groups are called Group M and Group N.
For players in the M group, the top two point scorers progress through to the round robin final.
The lowest point scorer from these groups is eliminated.
Those who finish from 3rd to second last just move to stage 2.
For players in the N group, only the winner qualifies for the round robin final and at most half the players from this group will qualify for stage 2, the others are eliminated.
Daniel Parmet (2011-03-10 02:54:11)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
No, it makes it pointless. You are the top seed. You play underrated players or weak players both of which are a waste of time. You lose massive ratings points and never get a chance to play the stronger players. It is a complete waste of time to enter as the top seed.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-10 11:02:48)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2
With the last game about to come to a close. I wanted to remember everyone that the next round is going to be starting sometime next week. At some point today Garvin will talk about the next pairings. When they are official released. I will start making the next game links available. Directly for what games you want to see.
Players please give some input about the starting time for Round 2 if you have an opinion :)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21156
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-10 12:40:21)
FICGS chess World Championship #9
Hi Daniel, I don't get your point. Now you're rated 2094 so you would be probably a top seed in the next regular group, playing maybe 2 provisionals (maybe one centaur rated 2000 and one centaur or human rated 1800 or 1700) instead of ~2 centaurs rated 1800 + playing as Black against a player rated 2200. I really think that it is a better "deal" for players rated 2000-2100 also. Yes you may still lose a few points (less than before IMO), but your chances to go to round 2 and play stronger players are much higher... I cannot say more.
@Garvin: your proposal makes sense. By "if possible" I mean that the rule is not strictly 2150 or 2300, I'll just try to make coherent groups (in size & ratings) so it quite looks like your way in practice I think.
Sebastian Boehme (2011-03-11 10:21:26)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2
Remember might be a little more "slangish", but yes remind is how I know it.
Anyway please bear with Jimmy, he is a good TD. ;-)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-11 11:17:24)
Notes for WBCCC Round 2
Well Spell check doesn't cover for grammar when you are typing to quickly. ;)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-11 21:49:16)
WBCCC Round 2 Pairings
Time has finally come for Round 2 to come and the long a waited pairings are out. Just for notes B=Board #
B1-Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant)
B2-Moz vs Sekos
B3-Mark Eldridge vs David Evans
B4-Stephanie vs Fulcrum2000
B5-NATIONAL12 vs Kamesh
B6-ppipper vs jitan
B7-Wayne Lowrance vs tomski1981
B8-Uly vs indrajit_sg
B9-Balabachi vs Sebastian Boehme
B10-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Weirwindle
B11-donkasand vs Ruben Comes
B12-natmaku vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)
B13-Scott Nichols vs Omprakash
B14-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs deka
B15-parmetd (Daniel Parmet)vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
B16-Banned for Life vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
2nd game of Round 2
B1-CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant) vs Moz
B2-jitan vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)
B3-Fulcrum2000 vs Mark Eldridge
B4-Kamesh vs Stephanie
B5-David Evans vs National12
B6-Sekos vs ppipper
B7-indrajit_sg vs Wayne Lowrance
B8-tomski1981 vs Uly
B9-Sebastian Boehme vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein)
B10-Weirwindle vs donkasand
B11-Ruben Comes vs Balabachi
B12-ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs keoki010 (George Clement)
B13-Omparakash vs natmaku
B14-deka vs Scott Nichols
B15-TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs parmentd (Daniel Parmet)
B16-SpiderG (Peter Marriott) vs Banned for Life
I will post links in the next post. I still have to move the game threads over to the WBCCC Forum. Good Luck to everyone in Round 2! :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-12 06:13:27)
WBCCC Round 2 Pairings
Oh ok here are the links to the games threads for Round 2!
B1-Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21163
B2-Moz vs Sekos
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21164
B3-Mark Eldridge vs David Evans
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21165
B4-Stephanie vs Fulcrum2000
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21166
B5-NATIONAL12 vs Kamesh
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21167
B6-ppipper vs jitan
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21168
B7-Wayne Lowrance vs tomski1981
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21169
B8-Uly vs indrajit_sg
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21170
B9-Balabachi vs Sebastian Boehme
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21171
B10-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Weirwindle
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21172
B11-donkasand vs Ruben Comes
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21173
B12-natmaku vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21174
B13-Scott Nichols vs Omprakash
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21175
B14-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs deka
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21176
B15-parmetd (Daniel Parmet)vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21177
B16-Banned for Life vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21178
2nd set of Games
B1-CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant) vs Moz
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21180
B2-jitan vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21181
B3-Fulcrum2000 vs Mark Eldridge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21182
B4-Kamesh vs Stephanie
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21183
B5-David Evans vs National12
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21184
B6-Sekos vs ppipper
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21185
B7-indrajit_sg vs Wayne Lowrance
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21186
B8-tomski1981 vs Uly
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21187
B9-Sebastian Boehme vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21188
B10-Weirwindle vs donkasand
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21189
B11-Ruben Comes vs Balabachi
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21190
B12-ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs keoki010 (George Clement)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21191
B13-Omparakash vs natmaku
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21193
B14-deka vs Scott Nichols
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21194
B15-TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs parmentd
(Daniel Parmet)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21195
B16-SpiderG (Peter Marriott) vs Banned for Life
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21196
Jimmy Huggins (2011-03-14 17:39:50)
WBCCC Round 2 to be a short delay
I'm sorry about this, but the tournament will be delayed by a day or 2, because of a withdrawal at the top of the pairings. If it was a lower point group, we could have probably winged it. For more details players please read this.
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21227
Me and Garvin will work hard to get this fixed as soon as possible, follow this thread or here and I will get it corrected. When we have things fixed pairings wise I will post ASAP.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-15 14:08:19)
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Thibault de Vassal (2011-03-24 15:36:57)
5th Go WCH, analysis by SC. von Erichsen
Svante Carl von Erichsen is FICGS Go champion... for the 5th time! After his win in the match that opposed him to Olivier Drouot, here are his analysis on the games:
_______________________
- Congratulations for this 5th win in the FICGS Go championship! By seeing the score you give less and less chances to your opponents who seem stronger each time though... Several games may look quite mysterious to weaker players. What happened during these games?
- Svante Carl von Erichsen:
Hi!
I do not have the impression that my opponents have less and less
chances. I also make many mistakes, and was in a clearly bad position
in at least one game. Olivier made many very unusual moves in the
opening, which were difficult to handle in a calm manner.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47578
In game 3 (47578), this is apparent at move 18. White has gone for a
very centre-oriented game, while Black has made more direct profit.
It is difficult to say who got the better deal. Move 18 itself is
very unusual, and I am not sure whether the result was satisfactory
for me. I think that moves 41 and 43 were important, as stabilizing
the group in the centre takes priority when the centre is dominated by
White like this. At move 53, it is clear that Black needs to stabilize
the top group, but D18 seems more important in retrospect. Move 62 is
a bit odd---I think that living with S16 instead would be better. I
think that Black got a territorial advantage here. Since White got
additional central strength, Black turned to make his central group
safe again, which should be enough to win now. White 94 tries to
shake up things again, but getting separated on the lower side makes
it very hard for him.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47580
In game 5 (47580), Olivier chose a very unusual move again at move 8.
I think that the outcome until move 17 favours Black, however. At
move 36, it looks like Black will have to live in the corner, but the
white enclosure does have its holes. Alas, White's response to the
forcing move at P10 was a severe blunder, as Black can take back the
right side. Move 55 was big, but I had not anticipated that the fight
after move 56 would be so hard for me. I think that after move 93,
White put too much emphasis on hollowing out what once seemed like
prospective black territory. The ponnuki in the centre was worth much
more than what White made on the second line. With that strength,
reducing the white framework on the left was no question. I think
that White then tried too hard in the centre.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47576
Game 1 (47576) was characterized by a big fight starting from the
joseki in the lower right corner. I guess that a stronger player
could point out several mistakes by both sides. It resulted in a big
exchange, where quite some aji remained in both positions. Move 90 is
an unusual idea, it would be more normal to extend on the side. 91
and 95 were intended as forcing moves to give some support to the top
side. I think that Black has good prospects after move 99 and
especially after 113. White started an interesting invasion on the
left then, which was however stopped by the blunder at 138.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47579
Game 4 (47579) again featured some unusual moves in the opening,
namely moves 7 and 9. I think that immediately plunging through at 10
was not good. It was quite difficult for me to keep territorial
balance afterwards. I think that my invasion at the top was
premature, but it seemed like I could not keep up without it. The
attack at L13 was severe. I got lucky that Black kept back a bit, so
that I could get the cut at E7, which was more important than the six
stones around N13. It would have been possible to save them at move
98, but at the cost of letting Black break through L10. Sacrificing
them allowed me to cement the centre to put me comfortably ahead. L9
was then the start of a desperate attempt to reduce the centre. I was
quite sure that I could capture it, even though simply connecting
would most likely have been enough. I then made a big blunder again
with move 130 (I had to double hane), allowing a game-deciding ko.
Black had a lot of threats against the lower right corner, and I think
that this exchange would have put him ahead. However, he thought he
had an internal threat at D10, which I think was not one, as there was
no additional eye in the centre yet.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=47577
In game 2 (47577), he got me in the opening with another of his
experiments (move 7). I think that I could have been satisfied if I
simply played the keima to P2 at move 14. However, I activated the
central stone instead, which led to Black getting solid positions on
both sides, while I lived small in the corner and struggled in the
centre. I then succeeded in making him overconcentrated on the lower
side, but at the expense of a quite large corner and not making many
points myself. Move 80 tries to stir things up more. I think that if
Black had secured O13 with move 97, the game would have been over.
However, things only began to look good for White after move 127,
which had to be played at R8 (it is sente against the middle group
then, so Black can live with S5). It is still not over, however, as
White has two weak groups to take care of. The lower side group can
live locally with a ko at G1, but the other group has to struggle---it
would be nice to find a clean sacrifice plan here, because it is hard
for the two groups not to compete for eye space. This was the last
game to end, and my opponent seems to have chosen to resign all when
he did not see a way to win the overall match anymore.
All in all, these were very interesting games where I think I learnt a
lot. I wish to thank my opponent, who played very well.
Thanks!
Svante
Don Groves (2011-03-28 01:43:21)
FICGS Quote file
Similar to this one by the creator of Dilbert, Scott Adams: "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes; art is knowing which ones to keep."
Daniel Parmet (2011-03-28 03:52:44)
FICGS Quote file
not so similar.
Scott Nichols (2016-05-30 18:42:28)
Random position from Traxler with Bxf7+
The "Evans" is my favorite opening of all time, :)
Paul Valle (2011-04-02 21:59:27)
Conditional moves
I don´t know how difficult it is to implement conditional moves (I´m sure Thib has a short list of pending improvements with priorities). If it´s easy - I vote for including it. I can´t really see any major problems with offering it. On gameknot you can enter a long sequence of moves and I´ve had a game go the first 15 conditional moves before my opponent deviated. If something similar was implemented here, it would cut the average playing time for any tournament significantly.
Don Groves (2011-04-02 23:43:58)
FICGS Birthday?
I propose a toast to FICGS. We all tip our glass to Thibault at 00:00 server time on April 5th.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-04-03 01:53:04)
FICGS Birthday?
Ah! You challenge me Sebi :) I was not even able to find an april fool joke good enough this time... but I'll try! A special tournament wouldn't be a good idea right now though :/
Don, I can do this! Cheers at 00:00 April 5th!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-04-04 01:44:31)
Conditional moves
Hi guys, I understand your feeling, sorry about that... yes it would be a huge work to make conditional moves for chess or all games at FICGS, anyway I'm still not favourable to this for some reasons, eg. (from a previous discussion) "I think it's not completely fair and adds a (small) chancy factor to the game, so in this way I understand time abuse. (...) In many forced sequences, only one side may take advantage of conditional moves to save time, that's not fair (...) there are forced lines where only one player has no choice".
Don Groves (2011-04-04 05:55:42)
Conditional moves
I agree Thib, particularly when a game is played in widely separated time zones. The conditional move could give one player several hours advantage on an opponent's clock while they sleep.
Daniel Parmet (2011-04-04 07:33:36)
Conditional moves
if I may play devil's advocate... I believe it is precisely BECAUSE conditional moves are more fair that is why players want them. Now when a person is low on time or trying to extend the game into the next rating period they purposefully wait until the BEST hour in which to make a move to clip the most time off their opponent's clock. If conditional moves were in place, a person could sleep knowing that their forced response is already in the system for their sneaky opponent that just wants to flag them.
Scott Nichols (2011-04-05 00:13:42)
Conditional moves
"if" moves used to be very good in the days of real "Postal Chess" where a move could take a month or two to receive. But these days where you can get a move and answer it in seconds if you want to, they (if moves) are not that big of deal. Certainly not worth the effort it would take to implement them. Also, there have been a few times where I wished I had not made that conditional move. Now I make it a practice to NEVER use them, even if available.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-04-05 11:52:56)
FICGS Birthday?
Hi Don, shame on me I had no computer at this time but I thought about it! Today is the day, thanks guys!
Peter Unger (2011-04-19 23:34:25)
You can't enter this tournament
Why? There are players with 2145etc. in the waiting list?
See the following?
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_SM__000008
(type : rated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)
7 players, 6 game (1 game against each opponent)
entry fee : 0 , prize : 20 (E-Points)
elo : 2300+
You can't enter this tournament :
Your chess rating : 2166 , is out of the restrictions.
Waiting list :
POL Broniek, Mariusz Maciej 2152
SVK Gazi, Miroslav 2272
USA Nichols, Scott 2184
DEU Wosch, Arkadiusz 2145
KAZ Alaguzov, Maxat 2415
PRT Pessoa, Francisco 2528
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-19 23:57:03)
You can't enter this tournament
They may have brought a ticket to get to this higher tournament.
William Taylor (2011-04-20 00:53:23)
You can't enter this tournament
Or they may have had a higher rating when they entered, though Jimmy's suggestion is more likely.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-04-21 11:53:57)
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_M__000041
The tournaments leaders/winners are not updated in real time. Now it should be ok.
Harshil Meraiya (2011-04-24 10:20:30)
Active rating lists
Actually it's outrageous. I've been playing for 1 yr and haven't lost single game. still my rating is 1767 while persons just joined and playing no game at all have 1800. Such a stupid site. I'm leaving this site. Nothing is more idiotic than this! Such a waste of time!!
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-25 08:58:00)
Active rating lists
+1 If you want an OTB rating over 2200. It takes years to do. So it is actually quicker in CC play to be honest.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-04-27 12:40:42)
Active rating lists
Obviously such changes are not good, but not doing these changes would be just worse... for Poker this is different, new players can estimate their level, existing players with no rating start at 1600, but it is quite easy to reach 1800.
For chess, maybe it should have been possible to start at 2000 from the start of the site (as it is possible in some cases at other sites), but by experience I thought it was too much, and engines are stronger today. Well, actually better would be to have a test to estimate a provisional rating... Still it wouldn't be perfect and not sure it would be appreciated :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-28 15:38:53)
Active rating lists
Agreed on that one.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-29 11:23:50)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
Hello everyone! Its been a while since the last time I have updated. I would like to talk about recent happening. Then I will give an update on the games for this round.
I have had some talks with a few players. And I would like to announce that starting next year there will be more prizes. Besides the money prize next year. I haven't decide yet how many of these I will have yet. And its possible there could be more ideas to come by. Please also know that there will be money prizes still this is just something on also to add to the interests.
1.Subscriptions to annotated games. For example Chess Today, Chessvibes, chesspublishing.com and Opening Master. There can be others, these are just examples. If you have other good ideas here please post. Most likely this will be a combined prize here.
2.Rental time on the new Rybka Cluster- Not sure how exactly this one would work. It could be a lot different in a years time for the Rybka Cluster. But I think this would have some interests.
3.Hardware- Again not sure how I would do this. But I would probably have it as a middle to high end setup for a prize. Hardware is always a every changing process its hard to know what is good at that time.
Any other suggests are welcome. Probably the best realistic prize is the first one. If I have multiple prizes like this. The way it would probably play out is like a lottery system. Start with the winner and work your way down. On what they want and go 2nd, 3rd etc...
The last prize to talk about.(And maybe the best) I have had talks with the people of chesspublishing.com and next year. Whatever game is voted for "best game of the round". Will have there game analyzed, by one of the titled players on that site and have the game published. I will try and have it open to everyone that follows the games for the WBCCC.
The next thing of interest for next year. Is that we will have a conditional move system in place. It was thought in a blitz setting to be a great asset to have. For example if your opponent is in a different time zone than you and the next move to you would be a force move. It would be nice to have this option to make the forced play. Without having to say up late at night to make this obvious move. This is all the new stuff. Round 2 Update to come.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-29 14:45:26)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
The last round was very exciting! And this round has had some great games as well. To speak of there is just 4 games left. Here is the report of the most important games this round.
Starting at the top boards. We have have...
B1-Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21163-
This game followed a Catalan. Gino makes ambitious choice to go with 5.Nbd2! I gave this move a ! Not because of its theoretical standing. But because it will lead to a position were white will give up a whole pawn for rapid development. Never the less, black is equal to the task and managers to hold on to the pawn for most of the game and keep the game balanced. With my human eyes, I thought for sure white had an advantage! After move 20.Be4, It looks like white has 2 racking bishops. While black has one black locked in! But in depth analysis shows, that black can hold on. And shows great defensive technique. Down the stretch. Well played by Gino and Kevin. On of my favorite games to follow.
B3-Mark Eldridge vs David Evans
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21165-
David has gotten tested in both his black games in this tournament. And this game was no different. We had another B90 line in this game. And ...8.h5 was used. This is becoming a common line in this tournament. Mark's treatment on the white side was great! I think his future opponents will think twice before trying this line again. At move 22, the game reaches the sharpest point. After move 22.fxe5! I thought that Mark had a chance vs David. But David founds some good moves to exchanges pieces and hold for a draw. The best of which was the combo of ...33.Rf3 and ...36.Rxg3! This was a nice find by him. Great job to David and Mark! I look forward to seeing both these players again.
B4-Stephanie vs Fulcrum2000
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21166-
I would normally just post FICGS member games here. But this maybe one of the top 2 or 3 most important games of this round. In what turns out to be the most exciting game of the round IMO. White has shown that they are quite good in the opening phase. At move 18 they choose 18.b3 which was suggested as being the novelty move. White gets a very strong game and after a king tour to capture the pawn. It looked like a win for sure!, but it seems a mistake was made at move 38. Instead of 38.Qc1!? the move 38.Qe8! seems to be a near winner. I thoughts on why this move was missed is because, White was in time trouble in both games. I have to believe this was a favor. As we speak Stephanie is close to defeat in the other game that I will talk about shortly. I would watch her for the reminded of the tournament. I think they will learn form this experience and be even stronger going future. Well done by both players.
B5-NATIONAL12 vs Kamesh
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21167
Two of my good friends battling here. This was a B90 battle. The novelty move was the straight forward looking 27.h4, but after some exchanges. White has to settled for equality. A good match to follow, the one other note made was this was a line pioneered by Eros Riccio.
B7-Wayne Lowrance vs tomski1981
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21169-
Wayne plays a good line vs the french vs tomski. In fact by the database expert, it was in a 100% win line!! But after the queens come off the board. It burns out to a quiet draw. Wayne has had good opening results, but has yet to get in the winners column. I have faith that Wayne will win a game very soon. Good game to both in this one.
B8-Uly vs indrajit_sg
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21170-
This was a nice game to follow. A french defense was chosen. The point in which it gets interest is the choice to play 19.bxc3!? Which leads to 21.Nh6+!? I loves this sires of moves! 27.Rh3! was also a good move here. But its seems black has just enough resources to hold the balance. ..54.Bxg6! was a good finally touch. Well played by both players.
B9-Balabachi(William Fuller) vs Sebastian Boehme
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21171
What was talked about as a drawish Ruy position. I found to be quite a game with all the early fireworks. I also liked the material imbalance in this game. Sebi has a rep of being very difficult to beat with the black pieces. This helps when you have the Ruy and the Posion pawn line of the Sicilian. As two of your best weapons. ;)
B10-Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein) vs Weirwindle
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21172-
This was an interesting Richter-Rauzer game. 15.Qf4 was the novelty move, Form there it got crazy. 21.Nb3 seems to invite a pawn race. Which in the end white loses. This was a tough game for white. I think he should have been able to hold it. But it was still a good game to follow.
B11-donkasand vs Ruben Comes
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21173
This was a nice positional game by Mike (Donkasand), This was a 6.h3 Sicilian. And we get the usually good defense here. ..7.h5 White gets great positional pressure for the whole game and even gets a pawn, but Ruben wholes for a draw.
B12-natmaku vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21174
This game was a Petroff with 5.Nc3. This kind of move gives white rapid development. Its seems black equalize pretty quickly. And on move 21 a draw was agreed on.
B13-Scott Nichols vs Omprakash
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21175
This was an interesting King's Gambit game. I think Scott didn't study his opponents rep. :) The King's Gambit is Om's specialty. So this was an easy draw for black.
B14-Keoki010 (George Clement) vs deka
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21176-
In this game black returns to his pet line of the Sicilian with 2.a6(Which he played in the last round) I believe this is called the O'Kelly variation. This time around he goes for ..7.Qb6 which looks a little better than ..7.Bb5!? A draw probably should have been possible, but George was able to grid out a win. Well played by both players.
B15-parmetd (Daniel Parmet)vs SpiderG (Peter Marriott)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21177
This was a King Indian by black. And white does a good job of out playing his opponent in this game. Unfortunately it seems Peter has gotten busy in his life. This game was decide by time.
B16-Banned for Life vs TheHug(Jimmy Huggins)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21178
I face off against Alan who has the white pieces. And is consider to be one of the best players when playing 1.b3. It was a difficult game for me as I decide before hand to play a dangerous line. Needless to say I lose this game after a few small mistakes on my part. I am founding that all the players in the WBCCC are good, I maybe better off being a commentator lol, but no one would have that.
This was the first set of games.
Here is the 2nd game of the 2nd round in the next post.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-29 18:36:20)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
B1-CumnorChessClub (Kevin E.Plant) vs Moz
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21180
Kevin makes an interesting choice here with 2.a4!? vs the Silicon Defense. Not exactly sure what he wanted out of the opening. I can only guess he wanted to mix it up here. Anyway, black equalizes fairly quickly and is better. But after 18.a5! He finds the best way to equalize and both agree to a draw.
B2-jitan vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21181-
The somewhat unknown Jitan has had a good tournament. And is given his ICCF SM opponent all he can handle. In a game that is still going. Gino is down a pawn, but it appears to be a draw and I would guess the game is about to finish. This was an interesting approach by Gino who gets in b5 and h5 very early in this game. And Jitan plays the most naturally looking sac. 13.Nbxd5! it looked like for a long time Gino was in trouble, but he has found enough resources IMO. A well played game by both players.
B3-Fulcrum2000 vs Mark Eldridge
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21182
This was a nice French game to watch. The novelty move was ..11.Na5, OTB I would like white in this game and I had a feeling that white possibly could have risked an attack, but this game came down to endgame play and White was able to outplay black in the end.
B4-Kamesh vs Stephanie
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21183-
In my opinion this is the most important game the round and it is reaching its fianlly stages. I believe Stephanie to be one of the top players in this event. She has been doing well, but Kam has played the near perfect opening and got her in trouble. If you remember my previous post you remember I talk about Stephanie was in time trouble. Which has not help the cause. The one move I enjoyed the most so far in this game was 36.Ra5!, this was a nice exchange sac. And its given Kam nice pass pawns on the Queen-side. I would guess this game will be over soon. It has been a nice game to watch.
B5-David Evans vs National12
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21184
A battle of the English Countryman here. :) This was the Open Defense of the Ruy. Form the comments I got, it seems that the opening was played about as perfectly as you can get. David posed some problems to Paul(National12), but it ends in a fairly easy draw. One finally note ..10.d4 IMO is a very difficult move to beat.
B6-ppipper vs jitan
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21168-
This is one of the finally 4 games still playing. What looks like to be a draw here. The white black has been dancing for a few moves now, but blacks back rank is weak. That equals a drawish game. :)
This game started out form B90 and so has a ton of theory.
B7-indrajit_sg vs Wayne Lowrance
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21186
I fairly quiet B90 game. I don't think white got much out of the opening. Well played by Wayne here.
B8-tomski1981 vs Uly
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21187
A battle of good friends here. IMO I thought white played the this Queens pawn opening passively. And so we had an early draw at move 26.
B9-Sebastian Boehme vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brein)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21188-
This is one of the 4 last games. And I have to say its been a good game. We had an interesting Sicilian position. I had thought black was in trouble. But after he tripled up on the d-file. Then got massive exchanges. He looks like its headed toward a draw.
B10-Weirwindle vs donkasand
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21189-
This was a nice positional Sicilian game. Although it ends in a draw. Its a must see game! Watching the drawing combo at the end is very beautiful. It starts with ..27.e4! and you can watch it form there.
B11-Ruben Comes vs Balabachi(William Fuller)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21190
Ruben opened up this rep with 3.h3!? and we ended up with a closed type of Sicilian. But his opponent stayed strong. Though out the game. Even if it looked like Ruben had some pressure. In the finally position.
B12-ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs keoki010 (George Clement)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21191-
This game saw the Exchange variation in the Queen's gambit. It has a high rate rate. But to Ramil credit he manage to give George a couple of weak pawns in the endgame, but not enough for any real advantage.
B13-Omparakash vs natmaku
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21193-
I would have hoped for more in this game. As I'm a lover of the 6.Bc4 (Sozin) Sicilian. After 14.e5!? this forces unneeded exchanges. After which, the game looked like a draw. And that is how it ended.
B14-deka vs Scott Nichols
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21194
Usually the Exchange Slav is pretty drawish. And this game was no different. But both players did try to mount some kind of advance. Both had good posts on each others side of the board. But a drawish opening is a drawish opening.
B15-TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs parmentd
(Daniel Parmet)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21195
I tried my luck in an opening that was not something with e4. And it didn't go as well I had hoped, Daniel was able to get a equal position fairly quickly. In my try at making new theory in a very uncommon line vs the King's Indian Defense.
And finally we have this last game.
B16-SpiderG (Peter Marriott) vs Banned for Life
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21196
This would have promised to be a nice Larson Attack game. By alas Peter timed out in this game as well. I would have loved to seen this attacking game with both sides castled on opposite sides.
Well that would do it for my reports for this round. This was a great round, and the next promises to be great as well. I will post info for the next round after the last game is over with.
Any feedback is welcome!
Scott Nichols (2011-04-29 18:54:35)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
Jimmy, you are THE reason this tournament is so exciting. It is very much appreciated. If word gets around like I think it will for next year, we may even have some OTB GM's in there. Thanks again for all your work, Scott.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-29 19:39:52)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
Well promotion is going to be important. And I have been talking to some people about it and seeing what I can and should do. After this tournament is over, there is a good chance we will have a top tier freestyle event after that. It will be before WBCCC II. It will be a good way to promote a nice tournament. I know a some of the FICGS players would like to play in such a tournament. As far as OTB GM's maybe lol. :) I think getting more titled players form ICCF, here, and other sites is possible. I have about 5 to 6 sources I will promote heavily. Add a couple of others. I'm going to be ambitious and say we can get 60+ players in next year. And maybe more. It will be a great 6 round tournament next time. Since it will probably go the whole year. I will try and add something for vacation time in there. If we go over by a month or something. That would be oh ok.(For WBCCC II) and thanks for the compliment. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-04-29 19:49:47)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
I agree with Scott, very nice report & great job, keep up the good work Jimmy!
George Clement (2011-04-29 20:49:43)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
Jimmy, great report. You should do more of this!
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-30 01:03:45)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
Thanks Thib and George. And your right George, it is my job to do so.
George Clement (2011-04-30 17:11:19)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
Hey Jimmy I didn't mean it was your job. You are doing a good job!!! is what I meant. In fact it's a great job. Thanks :-)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-04-30 22:50:51)
WBCCC-New stuff and Round 2 Update
One thing I hate about typing on the internet. :) Its always hard to express yourself. Of course I love to do these kind of reports. I hope to get some expert reports soon. :)
Paul Valle (2011-05-03 23:40:03)
Starting Rating
First of all: This is a great site, and love the fact that the Thib interacts with users to improve the site. Many decent chess sites out there, but this is rare.
When it comes to starting ratings, I would like to add some ideas for improvement:
The point of ratings is that they should reflect playing strength.
Likewise, the goal with starting ratings is that it should reflect actual playing strength.
Rules for both should be as equal and fair as possible.
Assumption:
I) the composition of «Active Players» and their ratings here on FICGS, are a valuable source in guesstimating a new players rating. Most players here play aided by an engine and the site is free, so players here should reflect what comes in the door.
(BTW My minimum definition of an «Active Player», is someone who has made at least one move in the period leading up to the official rating list.)
II) Lightning rating is a good estimate of Correspondence Rating.
I further believe that any choices or complications made to the FIDE rules of one starting rating fits all, should mostly be done to aid good Advanced Chess Players, and good OTB-players. Such complications might not be fair, but essential for FICGS to be relevant to the elite.
My proposal:
«Newly Regs» have a choice of THREE options upon starting to play correspondence CHESS on FICGS:
A) Start with a set rating. I would suggest this be set at the average or median off all Active players. Or a fixed numerical constant times this average. You could of course set up all kinds of formulas, but the main point in should reflect the current composition of FICGS members and not estimates based on unverifiable data given by the player.
Some players might feel that they are way better than this and might be discouraged to join and fight for a long time to reach the top tournaments they feel they are entitiled to play. The seccond option is created to encourage these players to join, and give them a choice to prove their skill relativly quickly and accurately.
B) Play 10 preliminary lightning games (starting with the same rating as in A), and then using the end lightning rating as the starting rating for normal tournaments. These players will get a much more accurate starting rating, and may be well motivated to put in the effort if they care. (If all the 10 games went close to 60 moves, and both players used all their time, the playing time would be around 16 hours)
Then there are the top international correspondence or Over-The-Board players. Why bother these with 10 lightning games?
C) Titled players can start in Master with a higher fixed rating (same as in option A, but multiplied with a higher constant), but must register by credit card to prove identity.
Possible drawbacks and problems
1) Assumption I and/or II is flawed
2) A poor player might be highly overrated choosing option A)
3) Players can dump lightning rating points to a friend
4) Implementation cost – development
-What ya think folks?
reg, Paul
Thibault de Vassal (2011-05-10 12:09:36)
Big Chess championships 1 & 2
Hello all,
Finally the 2nd Big Chess championship started, with 3 players who should replace forfeiting players within 15 days. You still can enter the waiting list for replacements. Sorry for this month late :/
The final tournament of the 1st championship started as well... There was kind of a dilemma as I'm not comfortable with the idea of inviting myself to complete a tournament, but best was IMO to follow the current rules (tournaments of at least 7 players) so I had to invite 2 players. For the 2nd one, with 4 groups only I'll have to invite 3 players (most probably 2 players with 5 points out of 6 and the highest Big Chess rating when the tournament starts).
Thibault de Vassal (2011-05-10 12:38:23)
Active rating lists
Hi guys, sorry for the delay for this one... :/
@Don : it may take a while, but I don't feel it's so hard for a good poker player... but it's kind of hard to say anyway.
@Paul : thanks for such a post with many ideas & questions! this issue is really complex of course but I made some observations during these years and my conclusions were:
- in average, self-estimated ratings are best. during the first years all players with no FIDE/IECG/ICCF ratings started at 1400 or 1700 and it quite distorted the list as many strong centaurs started from the bottom. your idea makes sense but it looks more "esthetic" for a centaur with no official rating to start with a 1900 or 2000 rating than e.g. 1937 :/
- your idea of 10 lightning games is very interesting! but not many players are involved in these games (I guess because of the time they spend on corr. games) and not many would accept to play unrated or low-rated players. I'll think about that though...
- about option C, there were early general forfeits by players FIDE rated over 2200, that's a pity and it distorted (not so much) a few ratings temporarily [actually it also helps to maintain a small inflation of ratings, which is logical] but in the other hand FIDE/ICCF ratings given as provisional ratings help to build a rating list with ratings that "tell" something... such choices are not obvious, obviously :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-05-15 13:08:49)
WBCCC Round 3 links and more
Here are the links for Round 3. Plus I have a quick announcement. I have talked to Garvin and I'm in the running to consider adding a 2nd tournament to the WBCCC. Probably called the WBCCC Inv. -> Invitational. This will be more of the standard style of blitz tournament. Something like 14d+1d per move, I don't want to set exact time control yet, I will probably open this discussion up after WBCCC 1 is over. What details I will give is this. What over the prize is next year will split with the other tournament plus a plaque to the winner. My hope is to have another drawing card for the WBCCC and I know this will probably bring more top players in.
Anyway here are the links for you to follow the games you wish to watch this round.
As always we will start at the top boards and work are way down. This time I will just do both of each board at the same time.
B=Board
B1- CumnorChessClub (Kevin D. Plant) vs Fulcrum2000- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21828
B1- ppipper vs CumnorChessClub (Kevin D. Plant)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21814
B2- Kamesh vs ppipper- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21829
B2- Fulcrum2000 vs Kamesh- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21815
B3- jitan vs Sebastian Boehme- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21830
B3- National12 vs jitan- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21816
B4- Loboestepario (Gino Figilo) vs WeirwindleX- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21817
B4- David Evans vs Loboestepario (Gino Figilo)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21831
B5- Sebastian Boehme vs David Evans- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21818
B5- Weirwindle vs Banned for Life- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21832
B6- ralunger (Ramil Germanes) vs National12- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21833
B6- donkasand vs ralunger (Ramil Germanes)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21819
B7- tomski1981 vs donkasand- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21834
B7- parmetd (Daniel Parmet) vs tomski1981- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21820
B8- Banned for Life vs Ruben Comes- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21821
B8- indrajit_sg vs parmetd (Daniel Parmet)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21835
B9- Keoki010 (George Clement) vs Indrajit- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21822
B9- Mark Eldridge vs Balabachi- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21837
B10- Wayne Lowrance vs Stephanie- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21838
B10- Balabachi vs Wayne Lowrance- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21823
B11- StephanieX vs Mark_Eldridge- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21824
B11- Omprakash vs Keoki010 (George Clement)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21839
B12- natmaku vs Scott Nichols- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21825
B12- Ruben Comes vs deka- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21840
B13- deka vs Omprakash- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21826
B13- Scott Nichols vs Schachmatt (Matt O'Brien)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21841
B14- Schachmatt (Matt O'Brien) vs TheHug (Jimmy Huggins)- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21827
B14- TheHug (Jimmy Huggins) vs natmaku http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=21842
Before I get off, I would like to thank Thib for letting me ask his great players to play in my tournament. Best wishes to all and enjoy this next year!
Jimmy
Jimmy Huggins (2011-05-15 13:34:12)
WBCCC Round 3 links and more
After 2 rounds FICGS has 5 of the top 10 places in the standings in the WBCCC 1. With Kevin #1 and Kamesh #4 at the top with 3 points and Gino #6, David #7, and Sebi #10. Well Rybka Forum has 4 of the top 10. Fulcrum2000 #2, ppipper #3, WeirwindleX #8, National12 #9.
Many of these players are facing off against each other. Here are just a few games you that are must watch for this round.
Banned for Life vs Ruben Comes- Banned for Life (Alan) is one of the best with 1.b3. It should be interesting to see how Ruben combats this expert with the Larson System.
Sebastian Boehme vs David Evans- These two have crossed paths before on the freestyle field before. I took great interest in this match because Sebi has 1 on the highest winning % with the white pieces in the field and hasn't last a white game on FICGS. That I have seen. I can bet on some fireworks in this game.
Kamesh vs ppipper- Kam put on a good show with the white pieces vs one of the toughest opponents in the field (with my human eyes) and ppipper has done great with the black pieces. With both of his wins coming with the black pieces! O_o Should be fun :)
jitan vs Sebastian Boehme- Jitan is showing to be one of the top tier players in this event. I truly enjoy the tactical opening he played in his only win in the tournament so far in round 1 vs George. And gave Gino all he could handle in Round 2 (With my human eyes again) :)
A lot of the other games speak for themselves. Also keep on eye on Board 1 with Kevin. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-05-24 02:41:34)
E point encouragement
Actually that's the case for a while :) .. And that's the aim... I hope to offer more and more prizes (Epoints or Money) in the future, even if it is quite slow for the moment. So I think that Garvin's idea is compatible with the current rules (by the way I offered many times up to 25% Epoints more when buying some)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-05-26 02:45:13)
I am exhausted
Hi Wayne,
Surely we all can understand what you feel at different levels, personal life is a great part of correspondence chess games, and sometimes we lose because of such factors (it happened to me as well, but you didn't need it to beat me :))... Such a situation is always really hard to accept, particularly after having fought during months/years like a lion just like you did here, but IMHO time will remind you (in days or months) that all this is definitely only a game after all.
Fortunately good games always remain... and bad ones are not so important. I learnt that.
Just do what you have to do.
All the best,
Thib
Jimmy Huggins (2011-05-26 06:54:28)
I am exhausted
Wayne friend, you are IMO one of the most respectable men I know. Playing thought all these Robin Round and Knockout events can take a toll on you. Especially at your age, it has probably been years since you really took any break form it. You may need time away to collect yourself. You will always be an a good friend to me and if down the road maybe months or many months down the line. I will be very happy to just play you in a fun game. I don't know what happen to you recently, but if you need someone to talk to. Don't haste to PM me. Get better my good friend. My thoughts and prayers will be with you.
Jimmy
Wayne Lowrance (2011-05-26 17:32:15)
I am exhausted
Thank you Jimmy so much. Your prayers will be much appreciated. I decided I would share the full extent of my problem.
My body is ravaged with arthritis. Have had it for man years Its in lower back, right hip and knee...no cartilage, bone on bone. It has progressed in last year. I have to take Pain killer drugs (Vicodin). A Operation is not an option. Doctors told me year or more ago this day would come. The Vicodin helps relieve pain but only for 2-4 hours.My mind is affected from the drug, all in all I am exhausted with chess pressure, trying to play at a level I am accustomed too. Drugs or no drugs, I am still in pain, I am invalid now, cannot walk, sitting hurts my hip, bah...on and on.
I was not gonna share the details but I wanted it known complete reason for my leaving CC world of chess that I love so much.
Wayne
Eros Riccio (2011-05-28 08:06:21)
I am exhausted
Wayne... don't worry about the match against me, it's not important, and it can be resumed later... now only focus on playing the most important match, which can't be delayed, with life. Fight Wayne, and I am sure you will be the winner.
Eros.
Kamesh Nookala (2011-05-30 14:39:20)
I am exhausted
Wayne...Have faith and take rest, rest and rest.
I had to be finally admitted into an hospital 6 days back when Doc said he cannot help me if i stay at home. After 6 days, with lot many antibiotics and continuous treatment, I am feeling better and am discharged from Hosp. today itself. I just feel like ignoring everything, chess too. I had too much. Since I got admitted into hospital, i couldnt smoke. So, wife now says, its better to quit smoking, which i am doing. Sometimes listening to the better half gives much relief.
Wish you a speedy recovery Wayne. My prayers will be there for ya, ever.
Wayne Lowrance (2011-05-30 18:23:03)
I am exhausted
Howdy Kam. Gosh I did not know about your illness. So pleased your feeling much better. Thank you so much for your prayer, helps me to know it. My future does not look promising Kam. The Doctor has told me my arthritic conition is advanced, only offering me drugs, which help some. I am for sure thru with chess Kam, I just cannot any longer do it. I could always just make engine moves, but I would NEVER be able to enjoy that.... I am proud of your play in the Jimmy Tournament, attaway to go Kam
Well b4n
Wayne
Thibault de Vassal (2011-05-31 03:06:20)
I am exhausted
Bad times :( Take care Kam... my best wishes to you both.
Jai Prakash Singh (2011-05-31 20:44:13)
New site on Chess Thinking Systems
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Alvin Alcala (2011-06-01 06:36:49)
I am exhausted
Wish you all the best Wayne. Don't worry we will be waiting just take your time.
Kamesh Nookala (2011-06-01 14:08:38)
I am exhausted
@ Wayne - There is always a start point and a corresponding end point. You have done so much in your life. But, now, your life needs a bit care from your end. I am just 34 and your chess experience and game play are far bigger than my age. But, the end is inevitable. It is better to put an end for your games Wayne, which you did. What is important for me at this point of time is you and not your games. So, follow what doc says, take rest and I am pretty sure you will be strong enough again. But, then again, just WATCH chess, do not play it.. Else, it may drain your energy again. For whatever happened to me at WBCCC, I quit the tour Wayne. Just enjoying my life :)
Warm regards my good friend...
@ Thib - Yes, lot many changes. Had to quit smoking, though that was never a concern or a cause for my illness. I received only humiliation round after round at WBCCC. I couldn't take more and had to put an end to my corr. chess career for the time being. I am regrouping myself. And, certainly, FICGS is the place where I will come back to.
@ Sebi - Thanks friend. I am not a great corr. chess player. Just a player :p
Regards
Kam
Sebastian Boehme (2011-06-08 02:45:02)
Improving visibility of draw offers
Hi guys,
have posted it in chat and thought I give it another shot here in forum too.
Sometimes players can maybe not see the draw offer, due to stress, playing the move quickly...
I know there is the little message box, like a letter below the game board that says "Draw has been offered".
But maybe there can be an improvement,i.e. a sort of colour....have seen it from other chess sites and there for example a red button
above the board has been implemented.
Or maybe some sort of red frame around the board in design could work it out. So in case of draw offerit gets visible.
I do not want to say players are too stupid to see a draw offer or anything like this, but maybe see it as a simplification for your eyes.
Just a wild idea, looking for comments, or not. ;)
Cheers,
Sebastian
Don Groves (2011-06-08 05:10:17)
Improving visibility of draw offers
It should be possible to make the words "Draw has been offered" blink for several seconds as was done with the "You have a message" indicator.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-06-13 18:39:31)
Improving visibility of draw offers
No problem for blink+red+anything, the real question is "where" it can be displayed so that everyone sees it for sure... Not so easy, but still thinking about it.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-06-13 18:44:21)
Unable to login for several days?
Hi all,
It looks like a few players are still unable to login (actually to access the whole website) during several days from time to time.
I thought I solved the problem a few months ago and I did not encounter this problem since that time, so I'm not sure about what happens for these players.
A trick may be to enter https://ficgs.com instead of http://www.ficgs.com in your navigator, it does not work every time but it may help sometimes.
If this issue happens to you, please describe what you can do and cannot do here... Let's try to figure it out.
Thanks for your help!
Sebastian Boehme (2011-06-17 20:06:01)
Unable to login for several days?
I tried to log in from work via Internet Explorer, first site does not load, but it says run diagnosis tool for connection check so I clicked on that....and la voilà everything fine.
At home the site loads fine under Firefox for example.
Could it sometimes be a just browser-related issue?
Jimmy Huggins (2011-06-22 06:54:36)
The rise of freestyle chess again.
Hello to all my FICGS friends! I was wanting to post here to let people know about a live broadcast later today. Me and ICCF GM Arno Nickel will be having a match later to help promote freestyle chess. In truth this is another practice match to try and test a server for freestyle chess. He had own 1st match yesterday. And it was nice to see it being followed. I hope some of you come watch the event. Comments are welcome! :) The match will be at 6:30am Central Standard Time/7:30am Eastern Standard Time/12:30 GMT/ 11:30 Rybka Forum time. Look for a thread in the Rybka Forum/ Computer Chess subforum. The thread will be up several minutes before the match. The time control will be 60min+15sec, which is a common time control for freestyle chess.
For those of you who don't know ICCF GM Arno Nickel. He is in the top 10 in the ICCF and is one of the leading people to promote and bring freestyle chess to the fore front.
I hope to see you today and I'm sure there will be other matches to follow in the future. This will all lead up to a great tournament later on this year. :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-06-22 06:56:30)
The rise of freestyle chess again.
But the way his user name is Ciron (Arno Nickel) and my is TheHug.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-06-23 05:04:22)
The rise of freestyle chess again.
Yes this was what we was hoping for. The results of the match were not as important to me. The broadcast was good, there will be a tournament later on this year. And I will invite my FICGS friends to play. :) My hope is the that system will support all the games for the broadcast and we get good commentary (I will most likely be one of them :) ). My aim for a date is between Nov-Dec. As this will be in between the first WBCCC and the next. The server is easy to handle once you have a first games under your belt. You are able to run everything though the server. So you can run your engines and books in there. The first freestyle event will be probably be a smaller tournament around 30 people maybe. But my hope is by the 2nd or 3rd edition the we will have good size tournament.
Anyone wishing to try the server and play a game let me know and we will work something out.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-07-05 11:20:45)
WBCCC Round 4
Just wanted to let everyone know that the next round of tournament will start on July 9th 11:00am GMT. Game links will follow.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-20 15:56:48)
Time control for lightning games
Ok, I've made a first change, time control for blitz games is now 1 hour + 1 minute / move, let's see how it works.
Don Groves (2011-07-09 15:57:14)
Active rating lists
Agreed 100%. I'm not "unhappy" with FIGCS just because I think a few things could be better. No one is perfect the first time, not even Thibault ;-)
Don Groves (2011-07-10 05:00:20)
Active rating lists
And that's what matters most, that Thib keeps working hard to improve an already terrific site!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-07-11 23:26:36)
How come ...
Hello Robert,
The established rating list shows not only ratings built at FICGS but also at IECG or FIDE/ICCF (that are quite similar).
I understand your question and that point is similar to another recent discussion, that's why I'll make an update soon to distinguish players who never played any game at FICGS.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-07-13 23:27:51)
Shogi in ficgs?
Sure, all players are invited to give their opinion on this point, I'm not really convinced by the idea for the same old reasons (too many similar games kill the games) but I'm always able to change my mind :)
Steve Lim (2011-07-14 10:33:14)
More statistics for every player
Much appreciated Thibault.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-07-14 23:54:45)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament
Hello all,
I'd like your opinion on this special case in a WCH tournament (that did not happen yet, as far as I know). Currently rules do not allow to change anything there but I'm not even sure that something should be changed. Please note that I consider that correspondence chess is not all about chess, so resignations in equal positions are most often wins like other wins.
The case: Player A draws or wins a game in a round-robin WCH tournament, then resigns all his other games in equal positions.
Of course this is not good and maybe unfair for the player who offered/accepted the draw or lost the game against him. If player A resigned some other games in equal positions before, the rules allow the referee to adjudicate the game for the other player, but not here.
While I'm writing these lines, I feel and realize that the referee shouldn't be able to change such a result as the limit is unclear (what about 2 games, 3 games, 4 games or 5 games before those resignations in equal positions), but this may be worth to discuss anyway.
Gino Figlio (2011-07-15 07:17:43)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament
Finishing games early in a tournament can cost you if the player you agreed to draw ends up losing interest and either resigns many games or withdraws.
Having said that, resigning games in equal positions could be grounds to a complain to the TD who may then question the player. If there is a valid explanation (health reasons for example) the player could be given the chance to submit games for adjudication instead of resigning.
I think the system should be ready for a change of results in these rare circumstances.
If the player does not have a valid reason for resigning games in equal positions the he should receive a penalty that prevents him from joining tournaments for a period of time (2 years maybe). The games should be sent to adjudication also. It's a lot of work but the effort provides a sense of added value to the site
Thibault de Vassal (2011-07-15 22:39:40)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament
The current rules on this point are 11.6 : "Any player who forfeits (by resignation or silent withdrawal) his games in an equal or winning position, without giving an explanation to referee in a rated chess tournament could lose his other games in the tournament, get a limited access to the server and couldn't enter waiting lists anymore during a period of 2 months, at the referee's discretion."
Any suggestion to improve it?
Garvin Gray (2011-07-16 18:02:39)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament
Thibault- I think I can offer you a solution to this from the fide laws of chess, tournament rules section.
These types of situations are already covered: http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=20&view=category
11. Where not all games are played
(c) When a player withdraws or is expelled from a round-robin tournament, the effect shall be as follows:
(d) If a player has completed less than 50% of his games, his score remains in the tournament table (for rating and historical purposes), but the points scored by him or against him are not counted in the final standings. The unplayed games of the player and his opponents are indicated by (-) in the tournament table and those of his opponents by (+). If neither player is present this will be indicated by two (-).
(e) If a player has completed at least 50% of his games, his score shall remain in the tournament table and shall be counted in the final standings. The unplayed games of the player are shown as indicated as above.
(g) Articles 10(e) and (f) also apply to team events; both unplayed matches and unplayed games must be clearly indicated as such.
Gino Figlio (2011-07-17 18:03:24)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament
There is a big difference between OTB and cc where unplayed games are rarely seen when a withdrawal occurs since all games are played simultaneously in cc. Thst's why adjudications are needed.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-07-18 13:04:52)
Case of resignation in WCH tournament
@Don: The rules try to make tournaments (particularly championships) & ratings coherent as much as possible (to "protect" results & ratings), in other words if a player resigns several games in a tournament without giving a valid explanation, even the games he won or drew in these tournaments may be adjudicated as losses in this aim. The only question is: should it be extended to games (in these tournaments only) finished before the first resignation...
@Garvin (& Gino): Thanks for the information! Would you know what ICCF says about it?
Scott Nichols (2011-07-24 21:05:29)
No more draws (over the board)
So simple, but effective. I think it would do wonders for chess spectators and put enormous pressure on the players to perform.
Don Groves (2011-07-19 23:00:28)
More statistics for every player
And we all hope it continues that way for a long time!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-07-23 01:45:13)
No more draws (over the board)
An interesting idea by Rustam Kasimdzhanov to avoid draws in classical chess tournaments...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7387
Don Groves (2011-07-31 10:29:47)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH
I mean the problem of most games being drawn because of ever greater improvement in both hardware and chess engine software. Making wins more valuable could entice players to not settle for draws as easily as they do now.
Gino Figlio (2011-08-03 19:58:34)
Eros on his win in the 4th chess WCH
Eros,
It looks like we get to play again but this time it will be for a FICGS championship Final. Hopefully I understand the Semifinal tiebreak rules correctly otherwise this would be pretty embarrassing...
Best of luck,
Gino
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-10 03:42:40)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
I have been pretty busy lately, and have been thinking about a lot of different things chess related. Some of you know that I have talked about and planed for a freestyle chess tournament in the near future. Here is a few notes for it and I would like to pass on some ideas and get some opinions. I can safely say that we can have a freestyle event between Nov-Dec and the 2nd part of it is that it won't be around Christmas. Oh ok here is what I would like to get an opinion on. 2 questions
1) What tournament timeline sounds better? (a) A Saturday-Sunday tournament or (b) Saturday-Next Saturday. I would say that 5 or 6 rounds is what we would go with. That should be plenty for a 20-30 person first tournament. That is what I'm predicting I don't know for sure.
2nd Question- What is a reason time control?
Oh ok the leading time control idea for me is 60min+30sec per move. Anyone see a problem with this one? I like this because its not a huge time spent and there is still room for the human element in the freestyle game.
All comments are welcome thanks for any input! :)
Jimmy
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-10 04:02:33)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Thanks Scott, I didn't really throw all a lot of ideas for time controls. I'm open to hear other ideas.
Of course No anonymous players.
Garvin Gray (2011-08-10 04:25:32)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
I vote for no anonymous players. Can I vote early and often on that one? :)
The time control needs to be long enough to make it a real centaur battle. Quite a few freestyles have been held where the time control has been short and it is just humans mainly putting in engine moves.
I think 60 mins plus 30 secs is fine, but would prefer 90 mins plus 30 secs.
If we did 60 plus 30, then running it over three days with 3 rounds per day would be better, in my opinion.
The biggest and number one issue is starting time.
Don Groves (2011-08-10 04:47:14)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Yes, how do you handle all FICGS time zones?
Alvin Alcala (2011-08-10 05:23:24)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
60min+30sec per move is reasonable for me and two rounds per day. The time schedule will be critical as you know all of us are in different time zones.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-08-10 11:00:24)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Round 1 in the latest freestyle cup started at 1pm server time. Looked not so bad...
With 60 mins plus 30 secs, a few players will spend the whole night or almost but I agree this is best for freestyle.
Alvin Alcala (2011-08-10 11:30:23)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
In free style cup section why not make an option of a freestyle tour so anyone online can immediately arrange a tour with entry fee of say 10 e-points or even bronze. Then the format would be minimum 2 players or even number of players. Money prizes will be broken down accordingly. I loved to play advance chess a lot but it will be more exciting if you will play more people.
Garvin Gray (2011-08-10 11:40:07)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Alvin, this is going to be hard enough to organise with only one concept and a few straight forward ideas to sort out.
It will not help if we start talking about a whole lot of different formats and other ideas.
I just do not want to see this thread branching off into tangets and variations and the few ideas that Jimmy has raised not being discussed much.
Gino Figlio (2011-08-10 22:33:36)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
If it will be a 2-day event why not play the second day +12 hours start time compared to the first day?
This way players on different time zones may not have to wake up too early or stay up too late both days.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-11 00:10:16)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
@Gino- That sounds like a decent idea. I kind of liked the thought of playing on back to back Saturdays. Maybe I'm wrong, I find it easier sometimes to give a few hours on one weekend day than to do it on a Saturday and Sunday. Of course if we agreed to Sat-Sun I could do it as well.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-11 00:17:07)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Here is around idea that could help some. Would anyone be in favor of closing the entry a week or so before the event to know what the 1st round pairings are and possibly give a little time to prepare for an opponent.
This has the advantage for the organizers to get everything ready. I know we will have something to discuss, before the event starts.
Garvin Gray (2011-08-12 16:22:08)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
I think if you are going to close entries early and post pairings for round one, then there will need to be a decent entry fee.
If entry is free and pairings are posted early, it is extremely likely that one or more people will pull out through dis-interest, when in all likelihood they were not that interested in the first place and as soon as the pairings are posted, they realise the full magnitude of having entered the competition.
While an entry fee will reduce the total number of entries, it will certainly make your life easier in actually running the competition.
Another idea is to introduce a bond system. Everyone pays a set amount up front and then those who have played all rounds get their money back. Those who do not complete the competition for any reason do not get their money back.
Especially relevant with more than one night competitions.
Thinking more about time zones, for what I favour depends on number of days and number of rounds.
If just two days, then I favour Saturday/Saturday. If more than two days, I favour Friday/Saturday/Saturday.
Alvin Alcala (2011-08-13 11:11:47)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Also can we have a voting for the timing? We can make a survey of the best timing possible.
David Evans (2011-08-13 15:12:03)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
I hate to play fridays hated the last freestyle that played fridays as i work it becomes a pain.
If played on a friday i would not enter simple really good luck with this....................
Garvin Gray (2011-08-13 18:07:21)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
With so many competing interests and ideas, I think the best idea is for Jimmy to just set the format, time control and all other conditions way in advance and then let all players decide if they want to play.
If then quite a few players start flagging the same issue for non-participation, then that issue alone could be looked at.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-13 23:38:58)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
Oh ok if I had to swing in right now. It would be a Sat-->Sat event. 5 or 6 rounds depending on how many want to play. The time control at the moment would be 60+30sec. It seemed to work for FICGS freestyle cup. I guess the question is how many hours are we willing to go for a day.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-13 23:41:04)
Ideas for a Freestyle tournament
I guess the only real difference at the moment form my tournament to the FICGS freestyle cup is doing it on 2 Saturdays instead of Saturday and Sunday. I feel like this is a slight benefit that most seem to agree with.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-08-19 11:43:45)
Rybka banned from ICGA
Clone or not clone, I'm not sure if this question is worth something in computer chess but ICGA did it: Rybka was banned and stripped of titles...
I just partly read RybkaInvestigation document, a few points are particularly ridiculous (like 2.2 "Sudden Strength Increase"), I have no idea on the other ones and I'm not sure if this is really important in the real world.
Finally, the punishment:
- to strip Rajlich of all ICGA Tournament Titles and,
- force the return of trophies and prize funds to the ICGA and,
- ban his programs from future competitions until he can satisfy the ICGA that they are no longer derivatives and that he has satisfied the conditions of any other penalties the ICGA imposes.
- encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
ICGA Panel Members
The Secretariat members:
Robert Hyatt - (Crafty, Cray Blitz, World Computer Chess Champion in 1983 and 1986)
Mark Lefler (author of Now)
Harvey Williamson (part of Hiarcs Team)
Panel members:
Albert Silver (software designer for Chess Assistant (1999-2002); currently editor of
Chessbase News (2010-present))
Amir Ban (author of Junior: World Champion 2002, 2004, 2006, World microcomputer
Champion 1997, 2001)
Charles Roberson (author of NoonianChess)
Christophe Theron (author of Chess Tiger)
Dariusz Czechowski (author of Darmenios)
Don Dailey (author of Cilkchess, Star Socrates, Rex, Komodo)
Eric Hallsworth (part of Hiarcs Team, Publisher of Selective Search magazine)
Fabien Letousky (author of Fruit)
Frederic Friedel (Chessbase.com)
Gerd Isenberg (author of IsiChess)
Gyula Horvath (author of Pandix, Brainstorm)
Ingo Bauer (Shredder team)
Jan Krabbenbos (Tournament Director of Leiden tournaments)
Kai Himstedt (author of Gridchess and Cluster Toga)
Ken Thompson (creator of Belle Chess Machine, World Computer Chess Champion
1980, Turing Award winner 1983, creator of B and C programming languages,
Unix and Plan 9 developer).
Marcel van Kervinck (author of Rookie)
Maciej Szmit (assistant professor at Technical University of Lodz)
Mark Watkins (MAGMA Computer Algebra Group, School of Mathematics and
Statistics, University of Sydney)
Mark Uniacke (Hiarcs, World Microcomputer Champion 1993)
Mincho Georgiev (Pawny)
Olivier Deville (Tournament Director of ChessWars)
Omid David (author of Falcon)
Peter Skinner (Tournament Director of CCT--the major annual online computer chess
tournament)
Ralf Schäfer (author of Spike)
Richard Vida (author of Critter)
Richard Pijl (author of The Baron)
Stefan Meyer-Kahlen (author of Shredder, multiple world champions from 1996-2007)
Thomas Mayer (author of Quark)
Tord Romstad (author of Stockfish, Glaurung)
Tom Pronk (ProChess, Much)
Vladan Vuckovic (Axon, Achilles)
Wylie Garvin (game Programmer at Ubisoft Montreal)
Yngvi Björnsson (The Turk)
Zach Wegner (author of ZCT and Rondo, an upgraded version of Anthony Cozzie’s
Zappa program, which was world champion in 2005)
ICGA Board
President - David N.L. Levy
Vice-President: Yngvi Björnsson
Secretary-Treasurer: Hiroyuki Iida
Programmers Representative: Rémi Coulom
WCCC Tournament Director
Jaap van den Herik
http://www.chessvibes.com/plaatjes/rybkaevidence/RybkaInvestigation.pdf
http://www.chess.com/news/rybka-banned-and-stripped-of-titles-3798
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQshTNJ4pSM
Thibault de Vassal (2011-08-23 12:25:19)
Comments anyone?
Hi Scott, sorry about this, happens from time to time but I keep an eye on this. It shouldn't last...
I cannot satisfy the second suggestion, it would be too dangerous as the chat bar is visible on the whole site, I prefer by far everyone to be able to delete spam or insults... However I may refresh the chat bar every 5 minutes or so... To be continued.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-08-24 14:21:32)
Comments anyone?
Maybe have a few long time members have mod powers.
Don Groves (2011-08-25 00:38:34)
Comments anyone?
I like Jimmy's suggestion. Pick a few members whose judgement you trust and allow them to delete any message. Many sites have have more than one moderator -- one person cannot be online 24/7, not even Thib ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-08-25 12:58:02)
Comments anyone?
William got it, that's exactly what I do (cautionning people). Those chat messages are not so important, that's why I think working this way is fair & efficient enough. Having even 10 moderators wouldn't be ok for this IMO.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-09-05 05:38:15)
Houdini 2.0 is out
Much better at long time control. With the extra features for Analysis. I can't comment on the pro, not sure about it.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-09-07 00:44:59)
Freestyle Cup 1 update
Here is a couple of threads over at the Rybka forum one is about time control, one is an overall thread and the last is the start time.
Time Control- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=22927
Start Time- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=22926
Overall- http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=22925
Please give input and vote. Please and thank you.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-09-07 00:45:32)
Freestyle Cup 1 update
Please give input and vote please and thank you.
Jimmy
Thibault de Vassal (2011-09-27 11:43:12)
About lag (timestamp system) for bullet
Just answering a question I just saw in the chat: no, there is no timestamp system at FICGS. Actually I made those bullet/lightning/blitz time controls while I had the worst (!) broadband in the world (until last year), according to me it was long enough even for a few seconds lag. The other reason is that I experienced the timestamp systems on ICS and other sites at this time and it didn't work so well. Anyway, we should probably use a software to use this system, and cheating would probably be possible then.
John Schutte (2011-09-27 17:49:56)
About lag (timestamp system) for bullet
Thanks Thib,
I lost a game in a winning position due to lag last night. In Africa we sometimes have very bad lag.
Garvin Gray (2011-09-29 03:38:37)
Next game feature
Hello Thib and all,
I have been using the next game feature for a while and I would like to see a change to it.
Would it be possible that this feature auto defaults to the game with the shortest amount of time remaining?
I am not sure what the current setting is, but it seems a bit random which game it moves to next.
I think changing this feature so that it moves to the game with the least amount of time remaining would be a helpful and useful change.
Cheers,
Garvin
Don Groves (2011-09-30 09:56:18)
Feature request
Thib: In your spare time (ha ha) could you highlight the names on the "My games" page of opponents who are currently online. Then we would know which games to look at next. It can speed up games quite a bit to make moves in those games ahead of games in which the opponent may not be at his/her computer.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-09-30 22:07:12)
Feature request
Hi Don ;)
"Then we would know which games to look at next"... or not to look at next :) I'm not sure if so many players would take care of this feature (that was already discussed), or even if they would like to receive more moves to play.
I have a few other reasons not to implement this: size of names in the page, calculation time of the page...
Thibault de Vassal (2011-09-30 23:22:17)
Next game feature
Hi Garvin. We tried this already and there was some problems: if we choose the game with the shortest amount of time remaining, if it is a game you don't want to play right now, it appears again and again... it was really annoying :/ The current method avoid this and I didn't find something else efficient enough.
Vjacheslav Perevozchikov (2011-10-03 06:00:05)
my IP banned?
Hi! I can't enter the site for some time, the pages not loaded at all. But when using proxy I can be here.
What's the reason for banning my IP or IP network from Ukraine?
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-04 21:41:38)
IP not banned
Hello Vjacheslav, no your IP is not banned, this is a recurrent problem that happens sometimes (but that did not happen for quite a long time), a few people (I had the problem too) were not able to connect to FICGS server during a few hours, a few days at most.
Sorry about that, still no way to solve this problem :/
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-05 19:44:45)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
I'm ready to announce, that the first tournament for the freestyle cup will begin 10 days form today on Oct 15th. The first tournament will be 20m+30s. Since right now we have a large number of American players we will probably start in the early morning in the Americans. I figure this to be the best. So 5-7am Central standard time Or 6-8am Eastern Standard time. I would like to get in at least 3 rounds in on Saturday and see how everyone is. We may do one, but 3 is a safe bet. Then we will finish the tournament next Saturday at the same time. There will be some time between for a break probably 20 to 30 minutes. In the next post I will explain what you need to do to get the the free server and what to do once you get it. A lot of you have a user name and password already (WBCCC) but if you don't I will help you with that. One thing I will say is important is to make sure you leave open a chat window with me. In case you run into any problems. I can answer most problems, if not there will be someone there to help assist me. If I need it.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-05 19:49:06)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
If you need to know what time that will be let me know. To many one outside the US.
Alvin Alcala (2011-10-05 19:51:04)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
No what I mean you can post the FICGS server timing. All can determine whats the equivalent in their time zones. It can be seen in the "messegaes" (i.e. Paris, 2011 October 5, server time 19:50:30)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-06 07:34:10)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
It will be between 12:00-14:00 FICGS time here.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-06 23:03:00)
Chess world championship #10
Hi Garvin, I can provide the list ordered by rating, I'll do it from time to time here.
George Clement (2011-10-10 17:27:48)
Opponents time
Tibault would it be possible on the "My games" page to post the opponents time left to make a move. You already have the time for the game owner.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-11 11:30:51)
Opponents time
Hello George, the problem is double: there isn't place enough on the page, and the page would be much longer to calculate while taking account of vacation for each player. Sorry :/
Guillaume Schub (2011-10-11 11:36:01)
Change country settings
Thanks for the change.
I think it is quite a limitation. What if I had both nationalities, or actually change my nationality (a frind of mine who lived in GB actually asked for the british nationality).
Anyway, that's no big deal. Thanks for all the good work on this website !!!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-11 11:37:09)
Go Komi 7.5, advantage for Black/White?
A topic on the game of Go.
Someone suggested that the current FICGS Go champion should be able to decide the color of the 1st game (the WCH final match is played in 5 games) because the komi may be an advantage for White.
I'm not favourable to this idea because IMO the komi "may be" an advantage for White or Black according to the players level, and it should be about equal for top players (9p, theorically). Anyway, I guess that the champion has quite an advantage already by playing the final match only.
Any opinion on this?
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-12 11:25:21)
Go Komi 7.5, advantage for Black/White?
Sure, but the komi may have a different impact on 5 dan players than on 9p ones. Actually I have no idea, maybe the top players here have an opinion on this?
Don Groves (2011-10-12 11:41:02)
Go Komi 7.5, advantage for Black/White?
Why not leave the decision to the champion and let him/her choose? Then no one has to guess what their opinion might be. Seems a simple solution to me...
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-12 12:28:43)
Go Komi 7.5, advantage for Black/White?
IMO the format shouldn't depend on a player's decision. And one never know what can happen, if the champion is unreachable during a while then the games could start late or a color should be chosen by default. Doesn't look great to me.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-28 21:41:42)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
I said to Jimmy it should happen in november... end of november. I'm to open a discussion about it.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-28 22:16:09)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
Hi all,
The 4th FICGS freestyle tournament may happen on december 3 & 4 (2011) - three rounds each day at 13:00, 15:00, 17:00 server time. The format should be the same (30 minutes + 15 seconds per move) than the previous one.
That's quite a good moment IMO, just before the start of the next championship cycle.
What do you think? Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Thibault
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-29 07:10:16)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
If you get this in, than I'm sacing my last tournament and probably just do the 60min tournament.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-29 07:11:38)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
Its to hard to try and do a 90min tournament and do more than 1 game a weekend. People just didn't want to do it.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-29 07:12:46)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
Well let me retract part of that. They DO want to play in a 90min type tournament. But getting to do more than 1 game a weekend was like trying to pull teeth.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-29 07:14:58)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
Thib I'm not one to cut into others opportunities. I'm good for just running the 60min tournament over 2 weekends. probably the 5th and 12th.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-10-29 07:15:16)
Official WBCCC freestyle cup 1 to begin
Of Nov
Garvin Gray (2011-10-29 15:41:40)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
Hmm I seem to be repeating myself :) Jimmy, one round per week, 90 minutes plus 30 secs.
Run it over seven or so weeks, a player can take a no explanation half point bye if they wish and then that will fill the time between WBCCC's.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-10-29 21:23:06)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
We shouldn't talk about several tournaments at the same time... quite confusing. So this is a thread about the next FICGS freestyle tournament only. Who would be interested to play this week end (december 3, 4) ? (starting with me, of course :))
Thanks :)
Timothy Cookson (2011-11-02 14:42:47)
Vacation Question
"-Timothy
A question for you Thibault, I have just started a 5 day vacation but my clocks are still going down.
--Garvin
Tim, questions like yours should be asked in the forum we can give more complete answers there.
--- Thibault
time per move clock is still running during vacation so that no move exceed 60 days..."
And what if I lose on time during a 5 day vacation?
Garvin Gray (2011-11-11 18:29:27)
ficgs Server time
Server time is now five minutes ahead again and gaining more time.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-11-11 22:22:05)
ficgs Server time
Yes, that's strange as it should be corrected regularly automatically... I just changed it. Thanks!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-11-12 23:38:39)
World Championship
Hello Des,
It has been discussed many times when the server was created. The aim here was to "find" the best player while avoiding the chancy factor (as much as possible) and by the shortest way. It was also to look like the old classical FIDE championship, that was much more spectacular than the current one.
Anyway it will always be matter of discuss :)
Garvin Gray (2011-11-13 16:45:59)
Chess world championship #10
I think it is time :)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-11-13 19:52:28)
List ordered by rating
Here is, but as usual the new ratings (january 2012) will be taken in account...
Erwin Thiering 2515
Michael Bergmann 2475
Xavier Pichelin 2454
Thibault de Vassal 2449
Herbert Kruse 2436
Pavel Háse 2332
Ljubomir Tsenkov 2314
Rubén Cómes 2300
Wayne Lowrance 2266
Dariusz Fraczek 2261
Ramil Germanes 2255
Miroslav Gazi 2255
Alexander Blinchevsky 2253
Michael Sharland 2251
Sergey Kokoryukin 2251
Andrey Razumikhin 2250
Valery Nemchenko 2245
Lubos Fric 2241
Kevin D. Plant 2237
Christoph Schroeder 2236
Viktor Shishkin 2234
Slobodan Ilic 2218
Dmitri Mamrukov 2211
Vitaly Rudenko 2203
Alvin Alcala 2203
Carlos Sánchez 2203
Garvin Gray 2200
Scott Nichols 2189
Peter Unger 2181
Martin Zeman 2181
Christian Koch 2167
Stephen Hamby 2163
John Schutte 2136
David Evans 2132
Nelson Bernal Varela 2130
Darren DiAlfonso 2123
Ardiantez Polkwitzauer 2123
Thomas Dineen 2118
Peter W. Anderson 2112
Steve Lim 2110
Yu Ming Hoe 2100
Arkadiusz Wosch 2093
Djordje Kasabasic 2093
Luis Flores 2084
Daniel Parmet 2083
Lalit Kapoor 2080
Erik L. van Dijk 2074
Bernd Wolf 2072
Jose Lopez 2071
Sergey Uzdin 2064
Rodolfo d Ettorre 2064
Janos Helmer 2063
Om Prakash 2053
Mykola Simashkevitch 2043
Alexis Duenas 2037
Ireneusz Kasznia 2036
Mihail Larsky 2028
Joop Simmelink 2026
Pan Hardfeldt 2020
Henri Muller 2000
Jaroslav senior Pech 2000
Jaroslaw Gibas 2000
Bogoljub Teverovski 1997
Willy De Waele 1996
Fernando Vasquez 1992
Jose Moreira 1979
Andrew Endean 1975
Henri-Louis Muller 1972
Jose Maria Velasco 1972
Jordi Domingo 1969
Janeen Walden 1958
Andy Richard 1956
Roberto Migliorini 1949
Erika van Dijk 1943
Daniel Reboredo 1938
Coco Maceda 1938
Michael Rogers 1933
Aleksandr Aksenov 1927
Mariusz Maciej Broniek 1923
Robert Wilhelm 1901
Kieran Moore 1900
John Dyson 1889
Catalin Nita 1888
Daniel Jabot 1878
Johanes Suhardjo 1875
Mikhail Ruzin 1871
Benjamin Block 1863
Ilmar Ambos 1859
Vyacheslav Shchelykalin 1859
Jan Peter Lommler 1844
Stanislas Gounant 1840
Mircea Hrubaru 1838
Sasha Lipsits 1833
Nilson Pereira 1833
Aleksey Payzansky 1804
Jai Prakash Singh 1800
Fredi Brumec 1800
Gleen Duran 1800
Josef Strohmeier 1800
Ryszard Sternik 1776
Stepan Pech 1767
Dieter Faust 1764
Dmitriy Malish 1760
Dimitrios Ropokis 1743
Hasan Kirali 1715
Eddit Moreul 1700
Behzad Shahmiri 1700
Jaimie Wilson 1684
Dinesh Bhandarkar 1682
Philip Roe 1667
Olli Ylönen 1660
Graham Cridland 1655
Juan Alvar 1653
Jeremy Banta 1644
Luís Gonzaga Grego 1643
Pablo Siciliano 1623
Mariusz Jandula 1600
Sergey Biryukov 1598
Alejandro Canovas 1589
Jimmy Huggins 1577
Matthew O Brien 1575
Pablo Ruano 1565
Khaled Toutaoui 1528
Stanimir Denchev 1505
Leo Malagar 1500
Richard Hendricks 1479
Eric Price 1469
Antonio Pereira 1456
Angelo Piantadosi 1420
Simon Huxtable 1388
Peter Krakovsky 1326
Marc-Antoine Leurette 1243
Jorge Orden 1204
Hana Pechova 1204
Jorma Häkkinen 1192
Des Jefferis 1186
Deon Whittaker 1111
Matej Pech 1074
Jiri Mach 1022
Cédric Cavaillé 1003
Jay Melquiades 0909
Jaroslav Pech 0697
Thibault de Vassal (2011-11-22 10:52:44)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
ICCF SIM Igor Dolgov just entered the waiting list... Things could be even harder than last time if the italian team joins us :)
Jimmy Huggins (2011-11-28 10:38:22)
WBCCC 2 sign up and WBCCC 1 review
After an exciting WBCCC 1, Own Champion ppipper (José Sanz) wins with a finally score of 7.5 out 10. FICGS top players were in a tied for 2nd with Timothy Cookson, Sebastian Boehme, and Ruben Comes. Credit also has to go to David Evans who had ppipper as White in the last game. And went all out to beat him. In the end Jose pulled out the win with black. For those interested I highly recommend you read this article. About the champion talked about his tournament games.
http://www.chesscafe.com/chessok/chessok.htm
Now I wanted to go a head and open up the sign up for the 2nd edition of WBCCC and tell everyone about the improvements and add ons.
The first major improvement on WBCCC is that it will have a simple to use conditional move system. With our easy downloadable client we use. There is also going to be a 2nd tournament for those who prefer a little more time than own standard tournament of 30days per side. In the 2nd tournament that is going to be called Rybka Forum Grand Prix. Is going to be 30day for the first 40 moves and 30 days Sudden Death after that. So basically you get 30 more days for 40 moves on your clock. Now here is a few more things to know about the tournament. After each move, if you request it. You can have your move noticed to you by email. This is good for the busy person who doesn't check the game forums all the time. The other thing added to the tournament is that there will be a file on hand for everyone to check to see what sites everyone plays on it a head of time. This is good for guys who like to prepare for there opponent. As for other fun things offered. I finalize with chesspublishing.com that they will help for own best game per round and the winners will get there games analyzed by the top players there and will publish them on the forum. Which I can expand to here and the other forums I promote at. For some were scared of the time control, but in truth we only had 2 games time out, but this was because they left there games. Which was a disappointment, but 2 games over a whole tournament was very good! If you maybe interested, but are unsure about the time. I recommend talking to me and when can have a test game to see if you can handle it. Most know with in a week or 2 if they can do it or not. Thanks for the support of Thib and everyone that played this year and anyone that will try this next year!
Jimmy
Jimmy Huggins (2011-11-28 10:40:12)
WBCCC 2 sign up and WBCCC 1 review
I should also add to the people who haven't read some of my material in the past. The tournament as a 6 man tablebase rule. If a position is reach that is a in a 6 man tablebase. They can claim a draw or win to the TD. This was a great rule that only got used a few times. But is a good way to prevent people of trying to expand games that are clearly over.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-11-28 10:57:39)
WBCCC 2 sign up and WBCCC 1 review
Another great piece in the article is that of Nelson Hernandez. Who probably not many of you know of. He has been part of a 2 man team that has been very success in freestyle chess. He won one of the major championships know as the PAL/CSS which was sponsored by playchess (chessbase). Anyway to those who know him. He has a vast book that he has been working on for years and is a very respectable member of the Rybka Forum.
The game insight he gave in the article. That of 2 long time members of FICGS Kevin Planet and Sebi Boehme was very well done to say the least.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-11-28 18:13:08)
New feature to block messages
This will be a very useful feature. Thanks for putting it in Thib.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-11-30 07:51:22)
New feature to block messages
I have had a couple guys get me to the point of just wanting to resign the game. So I didn't have to listen to them anymore.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2011-11-30 23:35:40)
New feature to block messages
I agree with Jimmy. I have made the same experiences. I'm also glad that we have this feature now. Thank you very much, Thibault.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-01 19:20:12)
4th FICGS freestyle cup
Hi all, as a reminder the tournament starts this saturday, december 3 at 1pm. / 13:00 server time !!
Good luck :)
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-04 18:42:53)
Final standings
After round 6 we have a sole winner!
Pos. Name. Score. (Berg.)
1. Alcala 5 (14.5)
2. Dolgov 4 (13.25)
3. Gray 4 (12.5)
4. Perikov 4 (9.5)
5. Mueller 3 (7)
6. Singh 3 (6.25)
7. de Vassal 2.5 (6.75)
8. Lowrance 2.5 (6.5)
9-10. Figlio 2.5 (4.5)
9-10. Bitoon 2.5 (4.5)
11. Nichols 2.5 (2.75)
12. Eldridge 1.5 (4)
Congratulations to Alvin who played really great chess during the whole tournament...
Many thanks to everyone for having played (we'll try to have less forfeits next time), particularly to Alvin, Wayne & Garvin for their efforts due to time...
Graham Philips (2011-12-05 17:22:45)
Who wants a Freestyle GO tournament soon?
Yeah, sounds like a good idea, not sure enough how the timing works for them though ?
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-05 17:28:11)
Timing
About the rules:
"All games are played in 30 minutes + 10 seconds / move. Komi is 7.5 points. The first three rounds will start at the date indicated as "deadline" at 13:00, 15:00 and 17:00 server time. The last three rounds will start at 13:00, 15:00 and 17:00 server time the next day. It is possible to enter the waiting list until the end of the tournament (please also warn the tournament director). Please do not try to create any game by yourself as all games will be created by the tournament director."
Server time is french time...
Bogoljub Teverovski (2025-02-25 22:56:30)
Next thematic tournament
It is time for the next thematic: 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e5
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-14 15:39:33)
5 player double round robins
Hi Sebi, sure it's an interesting system! I've explained why I was not favourable to this here though (I did not find the discussion, quite old one). In brief less excitement (IMO), games influenced by each other result, this is just too confusing & different.
Same for double roound robins, I like this format much but it would slow down even more the other tournaments... Be patient guys, let's play bullet games :)
Garvin Gray (2011-12-14 16:23:23)
5 player double round robins
Not a big fan of the idea of games starting at different times as more players join the tournament.
I could see that after a while and if a player is involved in a few tournaments, that it just feels like they are playing in different individual games, and new games join the list at random times.
With the way things are done at the moment, a new set of games are started when a new tournament begins, so it is obvious that the tournament you entered has started.
Peter W. Anderson (2011-12-15 17:16:25)
Holiday
It seems to be within the rules for people to take lots of small holidays in quick succession. At the end of the year, this can be used as extra time on the clock - work out all your replies whilst you are on vacation, wait for your holiday to finish, play your moves, and put yourself on holiday for another day or two.... and just keep doing this over and over again and your clock will go up rather than down!
I would like to suggest a rule change for the Rapid games: every time you put yourself on vacation you lose a day on your clock for all your games. It does not completely solve the problem but it helps.
It has the downside of people who really are about to go on must make sure that they have at least a day on each clock. However, in my opinion the benefit outweighs the disadvantage.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-15 20:58:46)
Holiday
Any other opinion? The idea looks interesting even if I'm not favourable to such a rule change that would make things a little bit more complicated... and rapid time control is hard enough IMO, it seems just fair to me to be able to have some extra time at the end of the year (which is not the case for everyone).
Interesting anyway!
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-15 21:00:52)
5 player double round robins
I considered it a long time ago... not anymore, for the reasons you mention.
Don Groves (2011-12-16 05:24:46)
5 player double round robins
We are short of players in some categories, such as the Go Dan tournaments. It might be a good place to experiment with the double round robin idea.
Don Groves (2011-12-16 05:33:38)
Holiday
I think some portion of a person's unused vacation should carry over into the following year. Accumulated vacation time (>30 days) would help protect against severe illness or accident and would also possibly reduce the practice of taking many short vacations at the end of the year.
Garvin Gray (2011-12-17 13:17:47)
Holiday
Thib: I noticed that in case of an accident or illness, the player does/can not take days leave... :/ I did not find the perfect rule there yet...
Garvin: I am not sure part of the above was a quote from someone else, but anyways.
I think if a person has timed out some gaems through accident/illness and was unable to put themselves on vacation, then if they send a copy of their medical certificate to you (Thib), then that should be acceptable to get games re-instated, or time re-instated if the amount of time lost was substantial and in your opinion could cause some difficulties.
Sebastian Boehme (2011-12-21 04:35:27)
5 player double round robins
It's time for some christmas drum'n base , I heard ur drums ^^
Garvin Gray (2011-12-21 16:51:54)
5 player double round robins
DRR's are especially important in the thematic tournaments where sometimes the thematic is not a good one and one side gains a guaranteed advantage.
The current thematic of f4 e5 fxe5 f6 could be a good case in point.
Don Groves (2011-12-22 06:57:24)
5 player double round robins
I second Stephane's comment. If all tournaments were 5 person DRRs, tournaments would begin sooner and very likely more games would played on the site. It also eliminates any perceived white/black advantage or disadvantage.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-22 18:47:03)
5 player double round robins
I agree that more regular games would be played on the site (on the white/black advantage also), but wouldn't it mean less players in the championship cycles?
It would be somewhat more difficult to control the number of total running games and IMO it's less fun also but anyway I'm ready to consider a change for the whole tournaments structure (for chess & maybe Go) if most players think it's a good idea, I'll send an email to all players about that (and other things) very soon.
Garvin Gray (2011-12-23 17:05:47)
5 player double round robins
To try and accommodate a few concerns of some, I think there are three possible options.
1) Change both standard and rapid divisions to 5DRR.
2) Change just one of standard or rapid to 5PDRR and leave the other as 7SRR.
3) Create an entire new division with 5DRR and leave the current standard and rapid as they are.
I think option 2 would be the most useful in providing information on whether the change is successful.
Option 1 is the most committal, as it is changing everything.
Option 3 is worth consideration, but it could lead to insufficient numbers across all three divisions. It could also 'suffer' and not provide useful feedback if the time control and rating bands chosen are not suitable.
If Option 3 was considered, it would need to be something between standard and rapid, perhaps 14 days initial plus 3 days increment.
Thibault de Vassal (2011-12-24 17:42:57)
money prize tournaments
Hello Alexis,
Yes, it would be very easy to create such tournaments. We had no players with Epoints enough a few years ago for this. Maybe it is time now.
Who would enter such a waiting list among these possibilities?
1. Rated 7 players single round robin tournament, no rating range, 20 epoints entry fee
2. Unrated 7 players single round robin tournament, no rating range, 20 epoints entry fee
3. Rated 5 players double round robin tournament, no rating range, 30 epoints entry fee
4. Unrated 5 players double round robin tournament, no rating range, 30 epoints entry fee
Both rated & unrated options have inconvenients IMO... Any better idea? The prize would be about 96 to 100% entry fees.
(by the way, this may partly solve the problem of the other discussion about double round robin tournaments)
Garvin Gray (2011-12-27 08:52:26)
Achieving playing norms
Is there a table to see what it takes to get the titles?
Fide has tables for what it takes to qualify for different playing norms: http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=58&view=article
so I am wondering if there are similar ficgs tables.
Of most interest is at what average rating does the score move from 4.5/6 to 4/6 and so forth.
Scott Nichols (2011-12-27 19:50:26)
Achieving playing norms
As soon as Class_M__000044 finishes I should get my third FEM norm, :)) I needed 4.5 of 6 and I finished 5.0 of 6. I think it is my style Alvin, I go out on many limbs trying for the win instead of draw. I have went 6/6 in M class, but on the other hand I've went 2/6 and maybe lower. The titles are HARD to get and something to be proud of.
Jimmy Huggins (2011-12-28 12:22:45)
Achieving playing norms
Thib how many people have ever gotten a FICGS GM norm?
Scott Nichols (2011-12-28 22:48:20)
5 player double round robins
I do think it would, at least in part solve the main problem, nothing is 100% as we are finding out on that forum tournament. I think these days, seriously, if you put 10 Chessplayers in a room, you would have 9 different opinions. Maybe we could have a test to see if any of these ideas work. We need more input... If these ideas don't work, it's no big deal. This is still the best site out there IMHO, :)
Garvin Gray (2011-12-29 10:30:09)
WBCCC 2012 Binding Poll:
Over at www.rybkaforum.net, World Blitz Correspondence Chess Championship begins in a couple of weeks.
There is now a poll out at http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=23854 which is to decide how many rounds will be played (10 or 12) and also when round times will be announced (start of tournament or near end of a round).
For those players who are thinking of entering, played last year or are interested and knowledgeable spectators, you can vote as per the instructions below.
The four options are:
1) 10 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed before the start of the tournament
2) 10 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed a few days before the end of a round
3) 12 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed before the start of the tournament
4) 12 games, 30 days initial time plus 1 hr increment AND all scheduled round times are confirmed a few days before the end of a round
As this preferential poll covers both options and will be binding, as in the final vote will be what format we will be using for WBCCC 2012, I am going to ask all voters to write in their votes.
As a write in system is be used, everyone has the option of choosing only one option if they want, or can allocate as many preferences as they want, up to 4 numbers in total.
So if a person only wants to vote for one number and does not want to allocate a preference, that is acceptable.
The reason for using write-in votes is three-fold:
1) All twenty four different options are evenly allocated
2) A voter can choose to allocate only one preference
3) It gives me the opportunity to see if all votes are genuine, rather than possibly the results being skewed by people who have no interest in playing in the tournament.
If a person does not feel comfortable posting their vote in public, but does want to record a vote, they can send me a private message, which will be counted in the total votes.
Voting will close Thursday January 5.
Garvin Gray (2011-12-29 16:11:44)
Different tournament format
Thibault has touched on an issue that I have thought about for a while, so time for a new thread.
Regularly it is discussed about the issues regarding the rating bands, getting to play different players and all sundry similiar issues.
In my opinion I think what this site really needs is more events run under the correspondence style format (not freestyle cup style), where players of significantly different ratings are playing against each other.
Here is what I envisage:
Qualification Stage:
All players of all ratings enter. Groups are divided up similar to Ficgs, except that no players are segregated, so the highest rated player is in Group A, second highest rated player in Group B and so forth.
Even numbers in each group, with a maximum of nine players in a group. There are no substitutes after a group begins.
There are no special groups for the highest rated players or knockout matches. (this is most important to distinguish this event from the WCH)
Final Stage(s):
The winners of each qualification group advance to the final stages, everyone else is eliminated. If there is a tie for first, then all tied players advance. If only one group is required, then this is the final.
If two groups are required, then it would be semi finals and normal round robin pairings would be used and the cycle repeats to get a final group of .... players.
To encourage the highest rated players to enter and to give everyone else a chance to win something substantial, e point entry fee would be 10 epoints.
Steve Lim (2012-01-01 03:02:55)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS
After logging in to FICGS, if I stay on any page for more than a few secs. I will not be able to click on any links (eg. submitting a move). If I click on anything, I will get the following error..
No data received
Unable to load the webpage because the server sent no data.
Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Thanks.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-01 20:12:07)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
Hi,
I've been told about a recurrent problem: is it fair to play against a stronger player who just lost 200 or 300 elo points because of many games lost on time (or whatever)?
IMO it is. Because as usual correspondence chess is not a matter of chess only. Of course such games may be harder for his opponents but there are good chances to see those games lost on time again (by experience).
Losing points is the only way to keep those games serious and protect players against this repeated again and again. So I don't think that rules should be changed, but any opinions & arguments are welcome here.
Don Groves (2012-01-02 00:12:02)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
The rules allow a player who has entered a tournament to play in that tournament even if his/her rating drops below the minimum due to losing one or more games before the tournament begins. I agree that this is a good rule. However, if a player loses many games and drops more than 150 ELO (for example), maybe this rule should no longer apply to that player and he/her would be removed from that waiting list. This might prevent the situation described above.
Don Groves (2012-01-02 00:45:12)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
That seems fairer than letting him continue to play in SM or M. The same problem occurs when a player leaves FICGS with games running and comes back a year or so later. Is there any good solution to this?
Garvin Gray (2012-01-02 02:05:43)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
I do not agree at all. I think there needs to be consequences for a person's actions, not just let off with no consequences, perhaps even get an advantage.
If there are mass time-outs, their rating should be returned to where it was (that is their correct playing standard), which means they can not enter the lower waiting list.
The idea that losing on time is part of the game only applies if the game was about 100 moves long and the game was short of time and someone used too much time on one or more moves.
But mass timing out of games is not a general part of the game at all. It is poor form and disrespectful to the site and the other opponents in the tournament and should be punished as such.
If they remain on the same rating, then they should certainly not be allowed to play in the event where they previously entered.
If a player has a legitimate reason for timing out so many games, they can take it up with the site administrator. That option always exists.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-02 14:08:37)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
Statistically playing 1 game in a tournament against an underrated player is not so much while losing 200 or 300 pts means a lot... And once again, quite often underrated players because of a mass forfeit will forfeit again! There are well known examples (very strong players rated 1900-2000) here. IMO it's the only way to prevent mass time outs!
I played at IECG and I was very disappointed to see games with an advantage simply cancelled after 30 moves or so, because of a time loss or just "forfeit". That is a non-sense to me. Rated games have to be rated!
So you suggest to simply punish players by not allowing them to play tournaments anymore (during 1 year or so)!? On the other hand, if players do not lose rating points what to do if a player has recurrent problems and has to resign his games once every year. Then many ratings will be hustled.
At last what will be a legitimate reason? It is so... so complex.
Don Groves (2012-01-03 07:29:49)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
Thib wrote: "So you suggest to simply punish players by not allowing them to play tournaments anymore (during 1 year or so)!?"
Who suggested this? Certainly not me!
Don Groves (2012-01-03 07:32:14)
Unable to stay connected to FICGS
I think the issue has to do with my browser not responding fast enough to the server, so the server thinks there is no one here.
This seems to happen only when Houdini is running and using all cores 100% of the time.
Garvin Gray (2012-01-03 15:12:04)
Different tournament format
I am surprised Daniel Parmet has not replied to this topic considering my proposal should be much more acceptable to him than the current ficgs world championship design/format.
Where are you Daniel?
Philip Roe (2012-01-04 00:02:21)
On rules & players who lost 300 pts
There are players (who I could name if asked) who are capable of strong play but who start many more games than they finish. Whatever the outcome, there is little satisfaction to playing them. The problem with trying to impose any penalty is to identify them without closely policing the sytem.
A possible solution might be that players who have recently lost many short games could be restricted in the number of new entries that they can make.
Don Groves (2012-01-05 08:39:42)
Next Check box in browser
Salut, Thib -- When you implemented this feature, the My Games was updated every 30 seconds. But now, the My Games page updates whenever there is a move to make. So, is the Next Check box no longer useful, or is there another reason for keeping it?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-05 12:46:08)
Next Check box in browser
Salut Don, actually I see no link between the Next checkbox (in preferences) or link (in my games) and the My games page refreshing. "Next" only allows you to jump from game to game instead of coming back to the My games page each time.
Garvin Gray (2012-01-05 15:04:32)
ficgs Server time
is now 8 mins ahead
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-05 15:56:01)
ficgs Server time
Sorry... once again. Now fixed, thanks!
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-10 11:28:44)
Ratings UpDates
Hello George,
That's a very good question... actually I have no clear answer on this (anyone?), but I did not invent this method used in all major correspondence chess organizations.
All I can say is that I "feel" that the results are quite good with this. The aim is to avoid rating peaks I guess. On the other hand ratings move a little faster (more points, not more often) at FICGS than in other organizations, I hope it balances.
Best is to learn to manage one's rating, sometimes best is to lose as fast as possible, sometimes not. Correspondence chess is matter of patience anyway...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-10 23:07:31)
Ratings UpDates
Correspondence chess ratings (that are taken in account when a new tournament starts) do not change after every game, but yes you can see your provisional "future rating" as George says.
It is different for Go to allow strong players to climb faster the enormous ladder (2500 points for Go at most). For Poker the difference is less obvious but the game is less serious than chess and it is quite exciting to see this rating list evolving each day :) At the end I wouldn't change anything now.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-16 11:40:38)
Time control for lightning games
Hi all,
I've been told that 1h + 15 sec./move (freestyle cup time control) would be better for lightning games than 20 min + 30 sec./move
As I don't want to create another advanced chess category (no good name, not useful), I'd like to know how many people among players who tried it think that such a change would be a good thing.
As for me, I'm not so favourable to such a change, my point is: 1h + 15 sec. means that you'll have to wait for your opponent 1 hour before he plays his next move! That is quite long, particularly to win no point, and you could even lose the game if your opponent comes back just before the end... That's why I prefer 20 min + 30 sec. per move, that is in average as long as the freestyle time control.
Any opinion?
Garvin Gray (2012-01-16 14:52:58)
Time control for lightning games
The current freestyle time control is 30 mins plus 15 secs, btw.
I do not like the 20 mins + 30 secs, so do not play with that time control. I would prefer 60 mins plus 15 secs.
That being said, Thib, can you please confirm that the original suggestion was about the lightning time control and not the blitz time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-16 15:19:52)
Time control for lightning games
Right, 1h + 15 sec. was the 1st Freestyle Cup's time control. And yes this is about the lightning time control only.
Maybe 30 minutes + 15 sec. would be a good choice also so we have 3 choices :
1) 20 min + 30 sec./move
2) 30 min + 15 sec./move
3) 60 min + 15 sec./move
Which one would you prefer (and why?)
Alvin Alcala (2012-01-17 10:26:08)
Time control for lightning games
I would go for:
60 min + 15 sec./move because it's the most popular time control for freestylers. Plus this time control more than compensate for the lack of hardware fire power to compete.
However, the current blitz time control is far too long, if you will observed the number of people who played the blitz time control is very few for the period of two years. So I would suggest to change this time control to 60 min + 15 sec./move for blitz and change the time control for lightning 30 min + 15 sec./move.
We can run a poll to see the choice of the other members.
Garvin Gray (2012-01-17 13:22:41)
Time control for lightning games
I think for blitz a better time control would be 40 moves in 2 hours followed by 30 mins plus 30 secs per move (basically the zonal type time control).
For lightning I would prefer 60 mins plus 15 secs. Couldnt a time out factor be put in that if a move has not been made in 30 mins then the player loses? This would cover no shows.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-17 14:46:40)
Time control for lightning games
For Blitz 40 moves in 2 hours followed by 30 mins plus 30 secs per move is not possible... For now I can only set a time, an increment and a number of moves for the increment. What about 1 hour + 30 sec/move or 1 hour + 1 minute/move, that would be much faster already.
For lightning, IMO 20 min + 30 sec/move is still best but if other players prefer 1 hour + 15 sec/move or 30 minutes + 15 sec/move, I'll do the change.
Alvin Alcala (2012-01-17 17:00:32)
Time control for lightning games
I agree changing the blitz timing as Thib suggested 1 hour + 30 sec/move for blitz and lightning to stay the same at 20 min + 30 sec/move. The most I'm concerned about it the current blitz time control which is too long, changing it is necessary.
Scott Nichols (2012-01-17 17:52:37)
Time control for lightning games
To me, the lightning control is about right, but the Blitz is way to long. The original Blitz time control (which I can't remember) was much better.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-17 18:35:26)
Time control for lightning games
The time control of the first blitz games played here was 2 hours + 2 hours / 40 moves, which is quite the same than current one.
John Schutte (2012-01-17 19:19:01)
Time control for lightning games
I agree with Scott and Alvin, I don't have enough time for lighting longer than 20 or 30 with 30 increment, except maybe an occasional weekend, so I probably will give it a skip if increased. Keep the lighting and shorten the blitz.
Scott Nichols (2012-01-17 21:48:55)
Time control for lightning games
Hmmm, I didn't remember it being that long, :) But, I definitely think it needs shortening, maybe 30 moves per hour, not sure.
Wayne Lowrance (2012-01-17 21:58:10)
Time control for lightning games
OK Guys, here is my choice after reading all of the postings.
Blitz: 1 hr + 1 min/move
Lightning: 30 min +15 sec/move
Garvin Gray (2012-01-18 09:09:05)
Time control for lightning games
1 hour plus 1 min per move from the start is ok by me for blitz
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-18 18:19:13)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize
IMO strong players will have no interest in this, but well... we can try it.
Scott Nichols (2012-01-18 20:57:37)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize
Hmmm, I must not be as strong as I thought, :) J/k, I know what you mean. BUT, the whole idea was to get a more variety here, all the free games haven't gone away, you just added something new, which IMO was sorely needed. If you look at the stats Thib, probably last year my games here dropped off, not because I wasn't entering, but because it was hard to find a game. Plus the WBCCC had an impact, at least IMO, I don't know the stats. I still play for the home team as always will as long as you are here Thib, but I also admit, I learned a lot at that forum.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-21 15:26:16)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize
I partly agree with you Garvin, but if only one of them is interested in money, it will make these open tournaments quite interesting. I'm still not sure which entry fee is best but it's worth a try with 30 Epoints IMO. By the way I don't think that these tournaments will start so often due to the time control. Let's wait and see.
About changing a whole division, I'm still not so favourable to this. Actually best would be to have 4 divisions (rapid DRR, rapid SRR, standard DRR & standard SRR but we have no players enough for this) but I'm not even sure if class DRR tournaments would be a good thing.
I prefered single round-robin from the start because it was the best way to prevent cheating, it is really hard to win points even with 3 or 4 accounts.
Still thinking about it anyway. (I know, it means delayed for a few months but I don't have a better idea right now :/)
Scott Nichols (2012-01-23 17:29:37)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize
Another thought: With 30 E-points invested it makes you think before entering. The only reason is if it takes a while for the tournament to fill up, that 30 points could be tied up for a long time doing nothing.
Garvin Gray (2012-01-29 11:02:44)
ficgs Server time
Time check, I have three minutes ahead.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-01-31 19:48:15)
Server overload?
Ah. It happens sometimes... Usually it may take several hours/days to return to normal, plese tell me if the problem remains.
Is it the same (or just ok) for other people?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-02 15:28:34)
Standard open : DRR with entry fee/prize
Why naive? Actually I saw many many cheaters on other servers before to run FICGS, that's why I preferred single round-robin tournaments and I hope that is the reason why cheaters are rare here!
Anyway the answer is yes, a few players had several account and as far as I know they realized very quickly that cheating would take them more time than becoming GM :)
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-02 19:05:14)
WBCCC 2012 started
Just wanted to wish everyone on the FICGS good luck! :) If anyone is interested I'll post the game threads over here.
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-02 19:05:52)
WBCCC 2012 started
Actually it starts on the 4th, but it never hurts to know about it a head of time.
Mario Andreoni (2012-02-07 13:53:02)
From Gambit Thematic Tournament
Thibault,
could a player start (or propose) new tournaments (especially thematic ones)? If so, how?
Sorry if I cause you to reply to these questions for the one-millionth time :-)
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-12 19:47:17)
annotated games
That's not the right place IMO. The game would not be visible enough. See Wikichess, just follow the moves and enter the new moves if needed. That's quite long though, sorry it surely needs an update.
Why not posting it in the forum as well? We could see it more easily. Just enter [ PGN ] (without the spaces) followed by the complete game in Portable Game Notation format, then finish with [ /PGN ]
Scott Nichols (2012-02-16 16:16:24)
Folding in Poker
We never we able to fold if we just didn't want to play out a 2-7 for instance and get on with the next hand. Then you changed it for the better. I got out of poker for a while, and now when I got back in, it was back the old way. Plus sometimes towards the end of the hand, I would rather not show what I was staying in with even if the bets were all checks, so I would rather just fold. Now that button is "whited out" again and I was wondering why?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-21 19:46:09)
Folding in Poker
I cannot remember any change for the poker rating rules!? See there:
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#rating_poker_holdem
When you win or lose a game against a similar rating, you still win or lose about 20 or 30 points so it goes quite quickly... And even faster under 2000.
The fact is that Nelson is really hard to catch :)
Garvin Gray (2012-03-19 12:54:51)
Slow tournament entries
George, I have said before that I think that the best time control on here is 30 days initial time plus 3 day increment.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2012-02-23 23:44:10)
Rating in Poker
Hello Thibault,
you wrote:
"When you win or lose a game against a similar rating, you still win or lose about 20 or 30 points so it goes quite quickly."
This is no longer true. If both players have the same rating (> 1999), the winner wins 9 points. Even if the loser has 300 points more, the winner gets only 16 points.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-24 00:21:47)
Folding in Poker
Erratum, you all right! The last change for poker rules occured last year (february 2011):
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=9557
I just lost a poker game so 12 points:
WhiteELO : 2039 ... 2051
BlackELO : 2160 ... 2148
So, yes ratings move less fast than in january 2011 but it still moves fast enough IMO. If the most doesn't agree with this we can return to the old rating rule, I'm still not sure what is best.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-24 01:22:37)
Folding in Poker
Ok :) .. Any other opinion?
I just looked at a few ratings, in example mine went from 2003 to 2166 between february 2011 and february 2012... So it is still possible to climb the scale. But once more I'm not sure what is best, so please give your advice!
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-24 20:36:16)
Folding in Poker
Ok, note: it could have been discussed in the forum when I announced it... Anyway the current rules may be better at the end, ratings are not dedicated to change faster than necessary. It also avoids that anyone can reach the top just by lasting a few games.
Also look at the results of Nelson:
vs. Aleksey Payzansky (2086) : 67% (56 games, 38 wins, 18 losses)
vs. Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2006) : 90% (52 games, 47 wins, 5 losses)
vs. Jason Repa (2095) : 58% (39 games, 23 wins, 16 losses)
vs. Yulian Kehayov (2022) : 54% (35 games, 19 wins, 16 losses)
vs. Anderson Barradas (2021) : 72% (29 games, 21 wins, 8 losses)
vs. Scott Nichols (2119) : 64% (28 games, 18 wins, 10 losses)
vs. Lubos Fric (1924) : 68% (25 games, 17 wins, 8 losses)
vs. Stephane Legrand (2187) : 54% (22 games, 12 wins, 10 losses)
vs. Rolf Staggat (2116) : 61% (21 games, 13 wins, 8 losses)
vs. Janeen Walden (2000) : 75% (20 games, 15 wins, 5 losses)
IMO he just fully deserves his rating. The reason why noone else can reach it may be just that he's the best player for a while, what do you think?
Scott Nichols (2012-02-24 20:56:24)
Folding in Poker
I don't know what you did or why with the rating formula, and it doesn't matter anymore. I took some time off from poker, but now I resolve to be back on top by the end of the year, :) At least my peak of 2258 has never been approached.
Garvin Gray (2012-02-25 13:57:13)
Folding in Poker
Ok, the main question to me is-
Which system is more able to predict the rules of a match before it begins?
If it was the first system, then that should return. If it is the current system, then keep it.
A more responsive system is usually better, but in the case of ficgs, this may not be good for two reasons:
1) While in otb chess/poker, there are very few mass time outs by a player, online this can occur, as is seen 'regularly' on here.
2) In otb chess, players do not have any kind of official rating until they have played a certain number of games.
This then means those early games to not affect all the other players ratings, which is not the case on here.
In terms of predictive accuracy, which is more accurate? That is the only consideration for me.
When I said that the ratings should be re-run, I did not mean we should start the ratings from scratch and begin from day one.
What I was saying is that ALL the previous results should be re-fed back into the system with the new rating formula and the ratings adjusted accordingly.
Then this would give information to compare as it would contain one set of ratings all measured by the same rating formula.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-25 14:23:18)
Folding in Poker
Previous ratings shouldn't be "deleted" IMO. We try some things and we cannot delete everything that happened before each time. Anyway poker ratings will continue to move up & down as chance goes.
I still have no idea of what is more accurate, probably it doesn't mean much for poker... All I have is a feeling and I feel that the current rules may be better at 55/45 than the old ones, so I'll change it if the most want it.
Scott Nichols (2012-02-25 16:21:49)
Folding in Poker
I think Garvin's idea were the most sensible I have ever heard from him. He obviously took a lot of time with this one.
Paul Campanella (2012-02-26 19:44:53)
New Player Ratings
I started at a 1600 rating. Personally, I find it completely UNACCEPTABLE that new players start at 1800 because it is a misrepresentation of their poker skills.
I started playing poker approximately a year ago on this site and I had to work exceptionally hard to make it into the top 20. As a past low ranked 1600 player... it was not easy to advance my elo to 1800+. It took considerable time and dicipline to hone my skills and get to the B-Level Tournaments. Playing those lower ranked players developed my skill because it taught me to expect the unexpected and learn all about odds and player styles.
Allow me to present some examples of players in relation to starting point and current rating:
A) I started out as a 1600 player... there were many people that were low ranked. As of now, the only 2 players that I recall advancing from a low rank to the top 20 are Paul Campanella (#16) and Dmitriy Panov (#17).
B) Slobodan Ilic (#6) and Trond Amile (#11) are both high rated good players but the reality is that it is much easier for people like them who entered in as 1800 elo to advance to the top compared to people who entered in at 1600 elo.
Now it seems that all new players get a "free ride" to the B-Class Tournaments and 200 elo points for doing absolutely nothing!
Starting at 1600 elo and advancing through the ranks is the true definition of skill. In order for players' ratings to accurately represent their skills, EVERYONE should start at 1600 and WORK their way up!
Thibault de Vassal (2012-02-27 02:22:02)
Folding in Poker
Well, mathematically poker ratings below about 1900 mean something of a different nature (level of course but also the number of games played) than ratings over 1900 because it is much easier to win points below 2000 (see rules) and it was even easier before february 2011, so it would be much easier after the change asked by Scott. A player who starts at 1600 will need to play more games than a player who starts at 1800 to reach 2000, but not necessarily to make more efforts. In addition there are ways to manage ratings to enter certain waiting lists more quickly. Also, considering the slow inflation that exists the contrary of what you say is true in a certain measure as well, new players will have to play more games than you to reach the top, actually the whole thing is really complex.
But... anyway I'll try not to change the rules again/too many times to avoid such (logical) reactions and that's why I take time to think about this one again.
I think that this change would make the poker ratings more attractive but less realistic and accurate so...... any other opinions? :)
Also, new players DO NOT get a free ride to the B class tournaments, many still start with 1600 according to the level they pretend when registering. So the difference is not so much, actually it may help you to climb the scale faster if you can beat a 1800 player easily... Really complex as I said but anyway I think that ratings are more accurate when players can start at different levels, because more players in the different categories mean more games in each one (players will find their rating faster) and because everybody do not lie every time. Everybody will not agree with this but I have a certain experience with the chess ratings now and I'm quite certain that most changes were good ones, so probably for poker.
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-27 04:20:26)
Folding in Poker
I may get smash for this comment, but I have to say it.
To me this isn't chess were we have engines that help assist us in own games and to be honest there isn't a lot of luck in corr chess. The odds of getting someone to fall in your "trap" is very small. Personally I don't care about the ratings that much. There is a lot more LUCK in this game, and yes there is some skill. But not like chess, point is the best person in poker on this site can lose to a guy who doesn't know what the hell he is doing. This would never happen in chess or go or any other game on this site besides poker. In short I think the ratings are give in take and we shouldn't flip out because of a few changes.
Scott Nichols (2012-02-27 04:27:27)
Folding in Poker
Jimmy, it may interest you to know it has been proven poker is 95% skill. Of course chess is 100% skill, :)
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-27 04:35:15)
Folding in Poker
The different between rated player 1-30 or so is probably very little friend, is it really worth all this talking for a few rating points? You can be a head for 4 cards and play your best and get rivered and there is almost nothing you can do. In chess mate is mate and its over.
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-27 05:33:45)
Folding in Poker
We should also not forget this is basically free poker, I remember playing Nelson once and was playing some good poker. We he started call me a lot of my raise with moderate at best hands and then beat me in the match. And if I remember right I heard him say the calls were made because it was free poker. So this is a whole other animal in itself. :)
Don Groves (2012-02-27 06:11:21)
Folding in Poker
Jimmy is right that more luck enters the game of poker when it is free. Players tend to play looser than if they had to bet real money which means more pots will be won by luck.
Poker is a game of skill but it can take many games for the difference in skill to become apparent. In free poker that is magnified due to the increased luck factor.
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-27 06:55:10)
Folding in Poker
Hey Thib, what would be the % to have a possible freestyle event in poker? I would think you could get some people to play in this and has 2 things going for it.
1. You would probably get more numbers in this than freestyle chess (I really believe this, I don't know what the top number is for freestyle chess)
2. Should not last as long as freestyle chess. So this should be a great reason to have it. Can you manage a time in your dates for it?
What do others think?
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-27 07:01:43)
Folding in Poker
Not only that, but it could be a good measure of who really is the best poker player on the site. I live event is a lot more normal for me, you get a little more info form the player like how long it takes him to make his move.
Scott Nichols (2012-02-27 16:39:04)
Folding in Poker
I think freestyle would be fun. I agree with you Thib that we shouldn't have real money poker, it could lead to all kinds of problems IMO.
Don Groves (2012-02-28 05:26:02)
Folding in Poker
I, for one, do not have the time to sit in front of my computer for several hours to finish one game. There are probably many others here who feel the same. Freestyle is fine for those can do this but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority. So to say that freestyle would find the best player is not true in my opinion.
Jimmy Huggins (2012-02-28 06:16:59)
Folding in Poker
I played Scott in about an hour or so, I don't think its that bad. If it was the best of say just the best of 3 total, it would probably be better. Maybe its just me, I just have a hard time believing that it would take someone several days worth of time to consider the best move in poker, I bet at most its a few minutes. AND yes there are people who do it and I have seen them on everyday with not that many chess games.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-04 22:08:50)
FICGS poker ratings
Let's continue the debate that started in this discussion:
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=10306
I'm still not sure of what is best but our top ranked poker player for a while (Nelson Bernal Varela) obviously participated to the discussion his way by resigning all his poker games to show us how much time it will take to regain his points.
His rating was about 2200, now 1924 and the date is march 4th, 2012.
As we're playing single round-robin tournaments only, the rating list was not so distorted but this is not at the advantage of class B players. Of course I do not encourage this behaviour in any way!
However, following the current rules on general forfeits I think that Nelson should continue his experiment so that we can learn from all this. In my opinion he'll reach the top rankings within a few months (particularly if he plays bullet games) which is quite short compared to correspondence chess.
This would actually justify - in my point of view (maybe Nelson's one too but I'm still not sure of what he's thinking about that) - the current poker rating system, so let's wait 1 month or 2 before to decide to make this change or not.
As a reminder, the initial proposal was: "should we change the poker rating rules so that we win or lose twice points after each game compared to now ?"
Scott Nichols (2012-03-04 22:48:24)
FICGS poker ratings
An interesting challenge. I held the #1 spot for a long time and in truth lost interest and let myself slip down, playing rarely and then stopping for over a year I'm pretty sure. So just recently I announced my intentions to reclaim the #1 spot and hold it before this year is over.
Then soon "after" I said this, Nelson resigned his games to start this "experiment". IMO this is how, in addition to playing good poker, he achieved being able to stay #1 for long periods of time. First, you have to play as many games as possible, over a hundred or more. This will allow you to implement the second phase. That is you get to pick and choose which games to play out immediately an which to stop playing to continue at a more opportune time. e.g. Only finish the "winning" games to get to the top. Then when you have a sufficient lead to where a loss or two won't hurt your position, THEN play out the losing ones.
Thib quote from above " In my opinion he'll reach the top rankings within a few months (particularly if he plays bullet games) which is quite short compared to correspondence chess. " Well for him to do this, he will have to get by me, and others, this time. So consider the Gauntlet thrown down! Scott
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-04 23:01:30)
FICGS poker ratings
A problem is that it is impossible to enter new waiting lists when having more than 50 poker games running.
On the other point your strategy may work but at the end you'll probably lose many points... I prefer to lose the almost lost games before to win the almost won ones to have a stable high rating. Anyway it would take much time to sort, I prefer to play all games the same way.
That will be an instructive challenge for sure.
Paul Campanella (2012-03-05 00:11:09)
FICGS poker ratings
Correction, Scott... you shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch because the number one spot will actually be mine one day! :)
I entered my first poker tournament on February 14th, 2011. In barely over one year, I have managed to raise my poker elo from 1600 to 2071 ... an increase of 471 points in, what I consider to be, record-breaking time!
Here is my proof...
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__TOURNAMENT_D__000036.html
Considering the current situation, I am curious to know if there is anyone else that has managed to increase and maintain their rating by 471 points in such a short amount of time?
Not only do I have a winning record against you of 60%-40%, I also have a 50%-50% record against Nelson, which is better than almost everyone else on FICGS.
Regarding the experiment, Nelson will have to get by me as well. Since I am one of the only people on this site that does not have a losing record against him... it's not going be an easy quest. :)
Garvin Gray (2012-03-04 23:47:06)
FICGS poker ratings
I am more alarmed than anything that a person's selfish actions, regardless of who they are, are not only tolerated, but are encouraged by statements like this:
However, following the current rules on general forfeits I think that Nelson should continue his experiment so that we can learn from all this. In my opinion he'll reach the top rankings within a few months (particularly if he plays bullet games) which is quite short compared to correspondence chess.
His actions now affect many players, which includes denying a place to someone in a tournament that he otherwise should not be allowed to enter ie class B tournaments where by all reports he is too good for.
How about we all do this to see how the rating system goes? I find his actions appalling and he deserves to be banned.
If this was done in chess, would the response be the same? If so and someone did it and the same response was given, I would be looking for another site to play at.
I believe people who act like this deserve to have their rating re-set and then spend quite a lot of time on the sidelines. They should forfeit all their games, but not lose any rating points.
What does this site stand for, I think that is one of the main questions? I play poker on here for something to do in the middle of my chess games, even though I am not particularly interested.
My playing of poker will stop if it is treated with such contempt.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-05 00:22:47)
FICGS poker ratings
I knew that you would answer this way... And you are right on several points.
I read the rules before to write this, we could envisage to change the rules on the general forfeits issue but it wouldn't probably be so easy to "fix" it. Maybe another discussion is needed.
About chess, this has been done the same way several times for different reasons, see Wolfgang Utesch, Wayne Lowrance... The only difference is that Nelson gave a bad reason (with the excuse that he may have done this to help to find the best rating rules, which was not necessary). But he could have said something else. What would be the perfect rule? The current rule was probably discussed in the forum previously. Nothing better was found, that's all.
Anyway, this site stands for applying rules... and IMO I have the choice between doing nothing in this special case and preventing Nelson to enter a waiting list during 2 months. Nelson was totally wrong to do this... (also because of Paul's previous message that proves that it is possible to climb the scale quite quickly, which IMO goes in the way of not changing the rating rules) but now that it's done, I think that the best thing for the site is to let him continue, at least we'll learn something from this and it will improve the rating rules.
Paul Campanella (2012-03-05 03:29:32)
FICGS poker ratings
Thank you for the compliment, Scott!
I consider you to be one of the top players and have great respect for you: as both top poker and as a person. You're also a very worthy adversary and our matches are almost always 3-2 (on either side)! :)
Thank you, Thibault, for recognizing my point that it is possible to climb the ladder quite quickly using the current rating system.
I would like to note that it is also possible to climb the ladder without using any strategy. Throughout all of my poker matches on FICGS, I always finished my games (both the winning games and the losing games). I could have easily waited a long time (like some players obviously do on this site) to finish my losing games, but I refuse to do that out of respect for my opponents.
Although poker is a game that requires a combination of luck and skill, I believe that respect belongs here as well. Out of my overall record of 202 completed games, I have won 120 and lost 80. During each game, I was always honorable. For instance, if it is my turn and I know that I am 4 chips away from losing a match 3-0, I will refuse to delay the game and deny my opponent his victory for the next two months even though I have 60 days left on the clock.
Besides, it is my philosophy that the best thing to do when opponent outplays me is to accept the loss, learn from it, and then try to win in a rematch! :)
Stephane Legrand (2012-03-05 20:40:58)
50+ Poker Games
Why not resolving before the other problems that you mentioned : too many time to play a poker game ...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-05 20:50:17)
50+ Poker Games
I agree with Stephane... by the way if you search the forum you'll find the reasons why we limited the number to 50, I think that it would be a very bad idea to change that.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2012-03-05 21:00:43)
50+ Poker Games
As fas as I remember the change was made for chess games. And there (including Go) I absolutely agree. Poker is a completely different category of games. Here no long time-consuming analyzes are needed. So why not allow more than 50 games? No one forced to play so many games.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-05 21:11:22)
50+ Poker Games
We added this rule for poker mainly because we had massive forfeits when this was possible to play more games.
But we did not find a good rule to limit the time for each game yet :/
Paul Campanella (2012-03-06 17:06:47)
50+ Poker Games
Can we please add some kind of a time limit rule for poker games that we can all agree on?
Paul Campanella (2012-03-06 17:13:22)
50+ Poker Games
Keeping games running so long is a detrement to everyone!
For example, it is unfair to be denied admission to a new poker tournament just because a player has over 50 games running, when some of those games started over a year ago and people take forever to make moves or purposely delay moving in certain games due to the fear of losing rating points.
I have a fair proposal that I would like to make...
"If the poker game(s) started over one calendar year ago, then it should not count toward the 50 game limit".
Does anyone agree or disagree? Or perhaps someone has a better suggestion about the time frame? I am curious to know what people think about this.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2012-03-07 18:27:21)
50+ Poker Games
I like Paul's idea of special counting the number of running game. This eliminates 5 of my games.
But I hope, that the idea to estimate poker games, will not be implemented. That is not a solution of the problem.
In some of my games my opponent and I can move only once per day, because we have a different rhythm of life. My opponents are playing in the morning and I at night. So we are online rarely at the same time. Furthermore, my games often last longer than 1000 moves. Therefore, it is only natural that these games take a long time. I don't like that these games will be estimated after a year.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-07 21:48:29)
50+ Poker Games
Don, it would be easy to manipulate such a rule... most important is to avoid any human (referee) intervention in the results. We have to find something better. Paul's idea is a first step.
Paul Campanella (2012-03-07 22:12:02)
50+ Poker Games
I also think that not counting games that are over 6 months could be an appropriate time frame as well.
Or would people rather have 1 year?
What does everyone think?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-10 16:57:02)
Replaying games
Hi Don, actually you can also replay poker games, see e.g.
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=64299
Just click the double arrows that surround << move >>
Does it work?
So you can show me your AA series :) It happens sometimes (just like any other hand, but it is more remarkable for AA) but I would be surprised that it is related to the algorithm, it's most probably statistical.
Don Groves (2012-03-11 08:31:18)
Replaying games
(1) I don't see <<move>> anywhere on the page.
(2) I could show if the cards were kept as part of the hand record ;-) In two days (maybe 250 deals max) I saw pocket aces about 8 times (more than 4 times the expected value) and read about many others in the chat during the same period. Of course that number could be statistical -- but very rare.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-11 13:18:10)
Replaying games
(1) Near "Game 64299" ?
(2) I'm really not surprised by this number as you repeated this period maybe more than 300 times these last years.
If it happened to several players at the same time, definitely I don't see how this could be related to the algorithm (that does not take the time in account)... but still thinking about it.
Myself I had two consecutive AA (not same kind though) in a single game one or two weeks ago, I was really surprised but well, IMO it just happens.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-13 17:18:17)
Replaying games
That's really strange......
As for me I see something like that (with arrows replaced by < & >):
< Game 64299 > << move >> (poker_holdem)
If you don't see it, please send me a screen capture so that I can fix the problem, if you have some time of course... thanks anyway!
George Clement (2012-03-18 16:16:34)
Slow tournament entries
I think part of the problem is the slow play on the standard tours. Why not cut the increment time from 40 days to 20 days? That would greatly increase the speed of the tour.
Scott Nichols (2012-03-20 17:39:19)
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3 days increment! It would be more fun to watch paint dry or grass grow. Some players, and we all know there are plenty of them out there, could keep a totally lost endgame going for over a year, just out of spite.
Which brings up another subject that would help immensely to speed up games without hurting quality.Install the 6-man tablebases on here, or at least let a player claim a win, draw etc when 6-man is reached. In this age of computer chess, if you have the equipment to even sign on to ficgs, you have the ability to go to a tablebase site and see the result. Plus, even the oldest computers, (like mine, :), can find the mate in under a minute in 6-man positions. So for someone to be able to drag the game out just for spite, for me, is a reason not to sign up in the first place.
George Clement (2012-03-21 00:48:39)
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I totally have to agree. When you have people that are dragging games out just becuase they have time left but it is a clear draw, win or loss; 6 man tb's should be able to handle it.
Garvin Gray (2012-03-23 11:16:48)
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SN: Call the referee option is probably the best compromise, partly for the reasons Thib mentions.
SN: On the issue of 3 days per move increment, I think this is better than 10 moves in 40 days cause at least it keeps the games moving along.
I do think 10 moves in 40 days is wayyy too long a time control on here and as already mentioned 10 moves in 20 days might be better.
Is it possible to have a combined time control of say 10 moves in 30 days repeating, followed by 3 days per move from move 61 (or 41)?
Costantino Proietti (2012-03-24 09:03:40)
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I suggest to limit the vacation period to 30 days in a year with a maximum of two vacations in a month.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-03-31 23:54:49)
Vladimir Kramnik interview by Tkachiev
A very interesting interview of Vladimir Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev, on chess, Anand, politics (russia, france), himself and so on... His views on Russia's politics may be not shared by the most but look like very mature in some ways.
http://www.whychess.org/node/1605
Don Groves (2012-04-03 14:16:41)
Go Dan tournaments
It seems time to make 2000 the cutoff point for Dan tournaments. Otherwise all 7 Dan level players must sign up to have the next group. This is an unlikely occurrence.
Paul Valle (2012-04-12 11:36:49)
King's Gambit solved!
I've been absent from the chess for a while. But suddenly felt the urge to waste some time at work browsing through old chess-articles. Being a huge fan of gambit-play, I thought I’d share the following: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8047
Against the King’s Gambit accepted, apparently the only way to hold a theoretical draw is by 3.Be2 …
Don Groves (2012-04-12 12:34:37)
King's Gambit solved!
How long will it take to do the same for other popular openings? Will Chess survive or gradually become a relic of times past?
With that much computing power (and no end of advances in sight), will a human ever win a another game against the best computer?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-15 13:53:20)
About Pinformant
Dear chessfriends,
Please receive my apologies for a stupid bug that happened yesterday (my entire fault). Some of you may have received an invitation twice for a new social network (pinformant.com) that is dedicated to help to promote FICGS on the internet [technically Pinformant is actually a part of FICGS]. That will not happen again!
A few words on this new website: Pinformant is a kind of "social browser" where it is possible to share and discuss full web pages (soon applications and games) displayed into a single page. It quite looks like a basic social network, but the display is quite new as far as I know - It is also a way to boost shared websites traffic instead of simply "stealing" their content.
Why this new website: I needed a website able to gather more people to have the means (thanks to advertisement) to make a better promotion for FICGS. So your help & participation is warmly welcomed anyway.
Any feedback is welcome as well! Thanks in advance.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-16 17:37:09)
About Pinformant
Ok, I signed up a couple of days ago and have looked at it a few times. Have to admit that at this stage I just do not get this.
At the moment I can see a chessbase article on the World Champs, Kramnik on his thoughts about current players and the ficgs home page.
What am I to do now to maximise how to use this new place? And how does this help get more chess players to ficgs?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-16 22:08:04)
About Pinformant
I agree that the site's purpose is not clear enough yet, I have much to do in this way... But one thing is clear, this website has nothing to do with chess but if you personaly use it this way (like I do)!
The interest is (IMHO) that if you like to share web stuff with friends but do not like the way of Facebook e.g. by using real name, things about private life & so on... This is one more alternative. The main difference with similar social networks is that you share full web pages instead of extracts (saves time, boost sites traffic).
To fully use it, like in every social network, you must have friends (so you probably need to invite friends, that can be done easily thanks to a really great script named Adiinviter - that will be used at FICGS very soon). That way the site may become viral - after some work, we'll see.
How it helps FICGS: This year I launched several websites in this aim and one thing is still missing: a massive source of visitors, in other words a big sponsor! Advertising is quite expensive and it will help this way. So you'll see changes here as fast as Pinformant's traffic will increase...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-18 18:08:24)
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That's right. It is a fact that the current rules allow (in extreme cases) that all players in a waiting list be below the low rating range.
To partly avoid that, the tickets may be used to finish to fill a waiting list only (e.g. when 4 players at least entered it already)... It's just a trick of course.
But it would be unfair IMHO to retire players who lost elo points from waiting lists, so it does not completely solve the problem.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-18 18:40:04)
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I think the standard time control is wayyy too long and unnecessary. 10 moves in 20 days would seem more appropriate.
Michael Rogers (2012-04-18 20:10:17)
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I would like to see optional faster time controls as George C. suggested. At GameKnot ( no engine use ) their monthly tournaments attract over 2000 players and the time is only 2 days per move, increasing to 3 days in the final. I suspect that many players here lose interest in a game when there are several weaks between moves.
Don Groves (2012-04-19 01:38:09)
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@ Michael: You got that right! Not only losing interest but also losing track of what your plan was after weeks of waiting for your opponent to move.
I agree with Garvin that our standard time controls are too long. Another problem is that some players have so many games running simultaneously that they can't keep up. I've noticed two different kinds of these players:
(1) Some players will ignore their new games until they've finished older ones. Thus they don't move at all in new games until they are forced to by the clock.
(2) Others will ignore their older games to play the new ones (openings are fun) and return to the older games only when their clock demands it.
In either case, this kind of behavior is what leads to games lasting 6 months to a year in some cases.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-19 15:16:13)
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We must no forget IMHO that playing correspondence chess here has absolutely nothing to do with playing chess at Gameknot...
Playing with one's real name is really not the same as playing with a casual name, the involvement is different. The rapid time control is really hard enough IMHO when analyzing 10+ games seriously. Time controls at ICCF are longer than our standard's one as far as I remember. Times have changed though, engines as well but not everyone can play 1 move in each game a day.
FICGS will never compete with Gameknot in the number of players or games played, but the quality of chess games may be higher in average.
Let's not try to fix a problem too quickly by creating another one. The main problem right now is that no games enough are starting each month, I'm working on!
If once this problem is fixed you still think that standard time control is too long then we can debate it and envisage a change of the time control or to create a new tournaments category.
Ramil Germanes (2012-04-20 05:19:16)
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In my almost two years of playing here in FICGS, I have observed one major factor why tournament entries are going down.
For me, it's because of the large difference of the rating brackets in a certain tournament class.
For example, in a standard class M tourney (2200-2400), if I have a rating of 2300-2399, I will not play because possibly almost all of my opponents there will be around 2200+ and the thing is it's very hard to win against these players now and I may lose rating points even if I draw with them.
But by decreasing the difference in the rating brackets, let's say 2300-2400 or even 2300-2350 for example of a certain tournament class, will encourage me to play in these tournaments because the possibility of losing rating points by drawing is minimal.
With these new bracketing, it will also give us an easier way to climb the rating ladder thus encouraging us to play more games!
Garvin Gray (2012-04-20 15:24:51)
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Thib: I do apologise in advance if this reply is regarded as too strong, it is not meant to offend, but could be taken by yourself or someone else as too strong.
In my opinion, creating ANOTHER division is possibly the worst decision that could be made. Leaving the time control as is would be a better decision.
We have three divisions classical rating sections, plus an advanced rating list and multiple thematic, unrated, epoint and other options.
I think adding another division would just spread things out wayyy too far.
It is not like we have an over abundance of players and need to offer more options to satisfy a wide market.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-20 15:50:47)
XFCC Play
Damn, I am still getting that issue where i can not read ficgs links on here. Each time I click on a link, as per the above link, a new window opens and I get the please type in your username and password again message screen.
And then I am back to the home page, not the link.
I have just tried in firefox, chrome and ie.
Ramil Germanes (2012-04-21 00:49:35)
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Garvin and Thib:
The way I see it, the problem is not how many registered players here in ficgs but how many wants to play.
Look at the case of the ficgs world championship. why there so many wanted to play? the waiting list fills up quickly. because they know that there is more to gain than to lose in the championship.
Not like in a tournament that higher rated players tend to refrain in joining due to possible loss of rating points with very little to gain.
Also even if more players registered here, but if they waited very long for others to fill the waiting list then they might lose interest and might not play or even come back again. (This is also what I felt before when I first join here.) And we also see many players in the rating list without games played and not connected here for a long time. Maybe this is the reason why.
Anyway these are just my observations and not pushing Thib to change the way I see it.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-21 01:30:16)
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Well, about the WCH that's quite hard to say, maybe the last rules changes (in this way but everyone may not agree) helped to have more participants but actually I'm not sure at all. But it is clear that those WCH games take a lot of time to all players, so less registrations for other tournaments...
But you're probably right about the time to fill waiting lists... so more players would help anyway. It is true also that many registered players do not actually play, any idea to motivate them is welcome :)
Thanks Ramil for sharing your views!
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-21 01:34:43)
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Well my reason for not playing at FICGS (despite the fact it is the best site out there!) has been that I can't play the stronger opponents. The rating restrictions have forced me to ONLY play unrated events here or seek other places to play.
However, other than ICCF which costs money there are no other places to play strong players. I just had the most horrendous chess experience of all time at LSS. So my conclusion is that I have probably reached the end of my correspondence career altogether save the ocassional unrated ficgs game if I notice a strong cue up in one of them. I certainly won't be playing my rating class ever again.
The problem IS NOT the time control. The time control here is lovely. I am curious what Thib's solution might be.
Ramil Germanes (2012-04-21 01:42:02)
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Another thing:
Why only tournaments?
Why no option for only one or two games where you can challenge a player of your choice directly in a longer time control? (what we have now is we have no control of who our opponent is, as long as the fee is met anyone can challenge anyone, but that is not attractive to higher rated players. see it's mostly about rating points!)
Often newly registered players don't easily see how to play correspondence chess here (many asks in the chat bar how to play) because they are expecting they can play a game instantly but here you have to wait for the waiting list to be filled for the tourney to start and that may take weeks or even months. And that's kind of turn-off to them even for me before.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-21 01:48:03)
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FICGS strengths:
Free
Well Managed
Friendly
Well Programed
Easy to Navigate
User friendly
Great rules
Great vacation settings
Great Time controls
Great variants / choices
Problems:
Lack of players
Lack of ability to play stronger players.
For all the awesome things here.... the one weakness makes it hard to continue to find people to play.
Ramil Germanes (2012-04-21 02:01:43)
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Daniel:
If we have the option to challenge a player of our choice then your second problem is solved.
Your first problem is partly due to negative reactions of players here due to not able to play stronger players but if that is met we all be satisfied and might give good overall reactions about ficgs which might help to attract more players in the long run.
The more important part is the current players here must be satisfied for the site to attract more players.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-21 09:27:58)
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I have proposed previously that a new tournament should be created for all players, similar to the current ficgs world champs, except that ALL players need to start from round one. No knockout series, or separate m groups.
All players of all ratings start from round one.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-21 16:42:15)
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I am a fan of the ficgs wch and I think it has many positives. One negative I am starting to notice is that since I am now above 2200, I am getting exactly the same opponents (give or take one or two) who I play in the normal tournaments.
So the groups start to blend into one and it can be difficult to remember if I am playing a wch game, or a normal game, against the same opponent.
I think it would be an interesting exercise to see if the same person can win both events.
The ficgs wch could be held twice a year, and this idea could be held in the other quarter of the year (twice a year also).
Then after some time, see which format gets the most entries and positive reviews.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-21 16:48:24)
LSS is the worst Corr server
I previously erroneously had this as a sidebar chat.
I will post the story here.
I had 22 games running on LSS. All of a sudden a game disappeared. I checked and found the administrator had decided to resign for me in a game where I had a cleanly winning position and 43 days on my clock. I contacted the administrator politely to inquire why he had done this. He answered rudely explaining that he did not care about my problem. After his uncalled for rudeness, I explained to him I was no longer interested in playing further games on this "joke of a server" so please remove me from a tournament that was about to start. He responded with pure insults and a memberships suspension but *did not* remove me from that tournament. When the new tournament started, I explained to him again that he was supposed to have removed me. I was only interested in finishing my current games out of respect for my opponents. The administrator then went and forfeited all currently running 19 games and placed a ban on me playing there again until 2013. I told him that was disrespectful not just to me but to my opponents as well. He then deleted my account entirely (which doesn't bother me as I would have asked for this after my 19 games finished). There you have it... Ortwin Paetzold - the bat shit crazy administrator.
Scott Nichols (2012-04-21 17:34:46)
LSS is the worst Corr server
I have decided to quit offering my opinion here, but this one I will answer. I was very surprised by this, as I have many games on LSS and have had some limited dealings with Dr. Paetzold and they have always been prompt and courteous. LSS offers a wide variety of tournaments including my favorite, 10 days with 1 day per move increment. This is much more my style, I have tried too many times to get something like that here, but to avail. I have just renewed my membership for five years on LSS. The only thing I'm sorry about Daniel is that we had a recent draw on there, but if I had waited a little longer, obviously I would have got the full point.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-21 17:38:32)
LSS is the worst Corr server
"The only thing I'm sorry about Daniel is that we had a recent draw on there, but if I had waited a little longer, obviously I would have got the full point."
Wow Scott... I am appalled to speechless.... I guess it really is time for me to quit chess.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-21 18:05:09)
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The FICGS WCH is held every 8 months, so about twice a year. I'm still not opposed at all to organize a "CUP" event but it would take many rounds as well and I'm afraid it kills regular tournaments, so we probably need more players for this.
@Daniel: your current rating is 2080, I cannot believe that it is not possible for you to win points in CLASS A... If you win one (or reach 2150) you could enter a CLASS M with 10 Epoints, seems far from impossible.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-21 19:04:37)
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Thib: The FICGS WCH is held every 8 months, so about twice a year. I'm still not opposed at all to organize a "CUP" event but it would take many rounds as well and I'm afraid it kills regular tournaments, so we probably need more players for this.
Garvin: I understand what you are saying, but currently numbers for each of the divisions are small and taking a long time to fill, if at all.
The 'cup' could even attract a few new players, or at least drag a few inactive players out of the woodwork.
I understand your point about the number of rounds. I think this could be alleviated by having nine or eleven players per group.
One of the biggest issue, which feels like it is starting to plague the ficgs wch, is a draw rate of about 95 percent.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-21 19:35:42)
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I agree about the draw rate... unfortunately there's no solution there :-/
On the cup format, you may be right after all. I'll have to think about it again, if a CUP cycle starts 4 months after each WCH (between 2 WCH cycles), with 2 rounds of 11 or 13 players tournaments (rapid time control, only 1 qualified for next round), this would be ok for 121 to 169 players, but it is a lot of rapid games (as for me I couldn't play it) and we may have less players for the next WCH... Anyway, thinking about it, it will be worth to open another discussion.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-22 06:50:06)
LSS is the worst Corr server
I was not discussing with my opponent. I feel like corr issues in general are something the corr community should be aware of so I do not share Garvin or Don's opinion. I obviously can't post this on lss forums as I have been banned there. Clearly, posting on forums of a site that is so wildly out of control is a waste of one's time and breath anyways.
Frankly, I am most ashamed of Scott's response above all else. His only problem with 20 games being forfeited is that it wasn't 21 so he could claim an illegitimate win as well - disgusting. Frankly the more I see of the correspondence chess world the more inclined I am to leave it permanently behind.
Peter W. Anderson (2012-04-22 15:39:16)
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Let me start by saying that I really like this place. The software is reliable, the interface is clean and people are generally polite. Thank you Thibault.
I don't buy Daniel's argument about the bandings. It is quite possible to score 5 or 5.5 in a class A, and it is quite possible to move swiftly through class A.
I am trying to move through Class M. I may or may not suceed. If I don't, I won't be complaining about not being able to play stronger players, I will blame myself for not playing better.
My only concern is what happens if I do manage to reach 2300. The rapid time control suits me (I am retired) and I would not have the patience for the slower time control. As far as I can see no-one over 2300 enters rapids. So I might end up having nobody to play apart from in WCH.
There are two solutions that I can see. One is to adopt Garvin's mixed ability group suggestion; this could be in addition to the existing banded tournaments.
The other is simply to get more members, so that there are more people willing to play in a particular category. I for one will try to do my bit to recruit some people onto here.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-22 17:08:16)
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It is my fault that I don't get to play stronger players? Interesting... logically impossible but I'm curious how you drew such a wrong conclusion.
Of course, whether or not you accept my argument is irrelevant because my argument is why I don't play. It is why others don't play. It is also why many don't sign up. I showed my roommate this site when he wanted to start corr chess and he saw he would be forced to play weak players for years before he'd get ONE decent game. He decided to join chess.com instead.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-22 18:49:49)
Answer from Ortwin
Well, here is the answer from Dr. Ortwin Paetzold (LSS/IECG) that he asked me to post here. I'm glad to do it of course so that we can hear from both sides and make our own opinion with:
>>>>>>>>>>
Daniel Parmet is twisting the reality a bit. I take the right to quote my full answers, however as I do not have the permission to do so, I will not post the notes from Daniel to me, unless he quoted it here himself already.
Fact 1 is that Daniel has not read the rules of LSS or forgot about them. There is a function in LSS which lets the webmaster check this esp. in case of rule questions. Therefore he might not have known about the rule, however, when registering on LSS each player is asked to study the rules and to play according to them. I am sure, the same holds for FICGS and any other server.
Fact 2 is that on 4th April Daniel Parmet has lost a game on time by violating the 30-days-rule. The server automatically stopped the game and awarded the point to the opponent, independent from the position. The server also imposed the two week suspension to start a new tournament. The 30-days-rule was installed at IECG more than 10 years ago and I had included it into LSS right from the beginning. Daniel Parmet asked politely why the admin has cancelled his game (which I had not).
Fact 3 is that in my answer about the query why the game was finished, I have answered with reference to the rules:
“Your game was forfeited, because you did not move for 30 days. This is the maximum number of days to be used per individual move, independent of the total amount of time you have left. See the Rules and Usage Section under "Violation of Time Control". This is also the reason of your two-week-suspension. “
In his response Daniel Parmet called the LSS “a joke of a site”.
Fact 4 is that I answered to this insultation:
“Well, it is not my fault that you have not read the rules during the past five years you have played here! To be honest, this is impressing!”
I do not think this is more rude than insulting me/LSS because one has made a mistake!
Fact 5 is that I did not remove him from the waiting list of the LSS Anniversary 2012 as requested, because I thought that – once Daniel thinks reasonably about the case – he might want to continue, esp. as he wanted to continue all other games. Furthermore LSS has a feature where each player can remove himself from the waitinglist of this tournament. This all happened on 5th April! I then forgot about the matter.
Fact 6 is that on 19th April the LSS Anniverary groups were created including Daniel Parmet to one of the groups. As he was no longer suspended that time I missed that he still was on the waitinglist. I would otherwise have tried to get a replacement, which I did in other cases . When he claimed not to play in the anniversary on 20th April, I decided to remove him from all tournaments he was playing. As the tournaments were in an early stage (start date 15th Feb, Parmet finished only 3/10 and 1/12 games in them), I believe it makes less impact to withdraw a player then letting him influence the outcome, esp. as e.g. he would not use a potential qualification to the LSS WC Semi-Final or the Consolation Finals. I commented that action with the following message:
‘I have withdrawn you from this "joke of a site" (your own - wrong - words. It is not my fault that you have not read the rules!)
Thanks for playing here.’
The answer was unfriendly so I decided to cancel the membership permanently.
I would like to thank Thibault for the opportunity to express my view. I do not intend to comment anyfurther in this matter, as I think the two different versions are speaking for themselves.
George Clement (2012-04-22 19:19:23)
LSS Move Rule
" violating the 30-days-rule. The server automatically stopped the game and awarded the point to the opponent, independent from the position. The server also imposed the two week suspension to start a new tournament. The 30-days-rule was installed at IECG more than 10 years ago and I had included it into LSS right from the beginning."
I like the idea behind this rule on LSS, IMHO it would solve some of the slow entry problems by making players move faster, which is a big part of the entry problem. I think anyone can make a least 1 move in 10 days, using todays hardware/software and communications. What do you think fellow members? I have no problem with players using time off thier clock but why wait 30 days make 10 moves then wait another 30 days?
Scott Nichols (2012-04-22 19:23:45)
LSS Move Rule
Exactly! I was going to say this same thing. Sometimes when a player decides to just quit playing, or whatever the reason, and they have 60-100 days on their clock, it takes THAT LONG to finally resolve the game. A "30-days" rule would be a big step in the right direction IMO. I think Thib has a "60-days" rule if I'm not mistaken though.
Scott Nichols (2012-04-22 19:37:17)
LSS Move Rule
P.S. Game #57387 of mine is a great example of a frustrating game. It is a dead drawn position, but it could be played out for a long time. He can conceivably keep this going for another year getting 40 days for every 10 moves. It has been "40 DAYS" since his last move.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-22 19:41:26)
LSS move rule
I agree that such a rule would speed up many games, but it would be quite hard for many players & we may lose a a few ones, by accident or not... IMO rapid time control is fast enough (our 60 days rule does not really apply there) while standard time control suits for the others, the only problem is to have players enough to change the rating bands.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-22 19:43:08)
LSS is the worst Corr server
FICGS already has a rule like that in that its every 60 days here which is far more reasonable. And I have used that to great effect to beat a strong player it required 49 days of analyzing some tough lines to win. If at 30 days, I was forced to move, it would have been a draw.
Mr. Ortwin forgets to mention I didn't violate this rule. But then Ortwin has shown himself to be a very unreasonable character.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-22 19:59:50)
LSS is the worst Corr server
In general, I could make many points to Ortwin's diminutive response. However, his lying aside - he has admitted to his disgusting actions and given specious reasoning for it. At this point, I think its best to let the topic drop. Others know LSS is not a safe place to play now and that was my only point. It is clear there can never be any proper resolution in my case personally.
On to the topic of the 60 day rule which is the real reason for my response. I think many people are forgetting that not everyone is retired with little to do with their time but chess. Many of us work and/or go to school. And when you have a complicated position, it is very very unreasonable to expect a response in 10 days time out of someone that works 80 hour weeks. I recognize that most of my opponents these days respond within 24 hours or less no matter what the move or how complicated the position... but this is because I am playing in general a lower caliber of player that just blindly follows the computer. I have the privilege of knowing GM Tansel Turgut and he tells me he never plays more than 10 games at once and generally doesn't make a move before 25 days of thought. I would others to stop for a moment and consider that not *everyone* is like you. They have other demands on their time and other analysis methods.
Scott Nichols (2012-04-22 21:41:55)
LSS is the worst Corr server
@ Thib: I see your point and have to agree also, I have a problem of being too impatient sometimes. I'm working on it, :)
Scott Nichols (2012-04-24 04:32:03)
Do the cards really matter?
I hope this doesn't sound to dumb, but I was thinking about this. I've played poker for about 40 years from penny ante with the family to no limit games where if you don't win, the rent don't get paid.
Some people try to calculate the odds, the number of "outs" etc. Play the game scientifically, others play by the feel of the game. I've seen and believe that when the stakes are up there, the cards don't really matter.
Imagine like in a movie, you were put in a position that you had no choice but to play a game of hold-em for your life. A lot of people dream to play in the million dollar tourney's in Vegas, but for 99% of them, the dream shatters, and it ends up being their life for a great many of them. So the question is, could you call his "all-in" knowing what happens if you lose?
Garvin Gray (2012-04-24 13:45:31)
Do the cards really matter?
In an attempt to get this conversation out of the chat bar and to here-
Bluffing on here is so much harder because everyone is playing many games at once, so you just move through each game and quite often do not even notice which opponent it is, or even something what has been played before.
So in all probability, it is almost impossible to remember if one of your individual opponent made a move on you 10 hands ago and is trying it again.
Or whether they have the nuts and are slow playing you, hoping to check raise.
I wonder if four handed poker would work on here? Might be worth a go between some who have records for playing quickly.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-24 15:01:32)
Ficgs World Cup
Following discussions about slow tournament entries, bracket and band rating issues and many other topics, a common item that came out of those discussions is that trying a modified version of the ficgs world championship is worth a trial.
So Ficgs World Cup sounds like a good name.
Format:
In the Ficgs world championship, there are many different qualifying stages, depending on your finishing position from the last cycle, your rating at the time of entry and the strength and total number of the other entrants.
While this format is very good for the concept envisaged when it was created, I think a ficgs world cup, with a format that will be explained below is required to cover a few gaps that are in the ficgs world championship.
The ficgs world cup will work as follows.
1) Everyone enters before a certain date, say June 1st 2012.
2) As soon as entries close, that is it. Entries are not taken after this date and there are NO replacements. The groups are meant to be of equal strength. Adding a new player can distort this.
3) Entrants are then divided into groups of roughly equal strength. Highest rated person is seed 1 in Group A, 2nd highest rated person is seed 1 in Group B. Serpentine pairings are used to allocate all players to each group.
4) How many players and how many groups is determined after the entries have closed. I would think that there will be probably 11 groups of 11 players (121 entries in total). It might be likely that we have to have three stages, depending on total number of entries.
5) 1 person from each group qualifies for the final stage. This is determined by total score, total wins and then TER. This does differ from the tie break formula of the FicgsWCH.
Pros:
1) Everyone gets a game against players of different ratings, no segregated groups or players
2) Everyone starts from stage one
3) The format is clear to understand
Cons:
1) May not be as tempting to the highest rated players (fear of loss of rating points)
2) Might take longer to finish
In my opinion, this is a format that deserves a couple of trial events to see if it is successful
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-24 16:32:49)
Do the cards really matter?
I agree with Garvin that it is harder to play well at correspondence poker... well it leaves some space to "rain man"-like guys :) It is possible to identify some repeating behaviours after a while though...
What do you mean exactly "four handed poker"?
@Scott: no-limit poker is not poker anymore... money is king and the richest will always win at the end if the stakes are too high. And the higher the stakes, the less it will take time.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-24 16:37:02)
Ficgs World Cup
Well done Garvin. I agree with all points (for once :))... maybe it can be done in 2 rounds though (would be better so that the most successful players avoid to have 2 or 3 cups running at the same time in a few years)
Scott Nichols (2012-04-24 16:58:02)
Do the cards really matter?
Yes no-limit is not good. What I meant is starting with a set amount (like here), but there is no limit on betting, actually just like here.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-24 17:13:09)
Ficgs World Cup
Whether two or three stages depends on how many entrants. I think there can be only a maximum of 11 players per group and also only a maximum of 11 players in the final stage.
Don Groves (2012-04-24 18:17:47)
Do the cards really matter?
The term you guys are looking for is "table stakes." There is no limit on betting but you can't go in for more than you have in front of you at the start of the hand.
Scott Nichols (2012-04-24 18:52:36)
Ficgs World Cup
Sounds intriguing. I assume it would be Rapid time control like the Wch. Just one little idea, would an entry fee of 2 E-points be good? Everybody that signs up here gets 2 free E-points, it would be a good way to use them and also it would cut down on the people that start and don't finish.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-24 19:30:14)
Ficgs World Cup
Ah, I assumed that the rapid time control was the only solution but actually we can envisage something else... maybe to have tournaments of 13 players if it is successful.
Or maybe we can have a limited number of places!? (so that the most motivated enter it first, and it would solve the total number issue)
I'm not so favourable to the Epoints fee here, but that's probably worth to be thinked twice.
George Clement (2012-04-24 20:37:58)
Ficgs World Cup
I'm with Scott sounds intriguing. Also raped time control would be fine.
George Clement (2012-04-24 21:17:34)
Ficgs World Cup
:) Didn't mean raped time control in previous post but rapid. Sorry for the typo. ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-25 00:26:09)
Ficgs World Cup
Who thinks that a limited number of places (81 = 9x9 or 121 = 11x11 or 169 = 13x13 according to how the waiting list fills) would be a good idea?
And what about a rating band to avoid forfeits by casual players? Maybe ratings above 2000... In some ways it could be a real alternative to the WCH for all players rated from 2000 to 2200, and there would be less games to play at the same time (less frightening to entry)... just a thought.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-25 01:52:44)
Ficgs World Cup
Seen a few ideas, some that I thought would not be popular are been suggested as to give it a go. Good:)
There is a simple solution to keeping it to 2 stages. Just announce there will be 11 groups and leave the number of players in each group till when you know the final numbers.
So 220 players would be 11 groups of 20 players. That might be too much for some people, but you get the general idea.
Perhaps with 20 player groups (hypothetical of course), a slightly longer time control would be a good idea, perhaps 30 days initial plus 3 day increment ;)
Thib: I was thinking about the issue of the number of groups and I think it has to be eleven groups in the first stage. Then each of the 1st place group winners go through to final stage.
I am against any concept of rating bands, or even the mention of the concept. That is totally against the principle, design and point of this format.
Steve Lim (2012-04-25 03:55:03)
Ficgs World Cup
Hmmm.. food for thought.. to summarize.
2 Stages of 20 games
or..
3 Stages of 11-13 games
Pros/Cons?
I too am against the concept of rating bands however we need a way to deal with casual players and dropouts. Especially if there is a no replacement policy..
Garvin Gray (2012-04-25 04:43:19)
Ficgs World Cup
I think everyone needs to be completely clear when they mention the term rating bands:
In the context used on ficgs, it means a minimum and maximum rating that players can play in. For example in the rapid waiting lists, there is a rating band of 1900-2100. Meaning only players between 1900 and 2100 can play in that group.
If you are talking about players being suspended, then please specify that and be clear that you are talking about suspensions.
I apologise if this reads as a cranky reply, but this whole concept is being devised to not have any kind of rating bands, or special exemptions for any player.
So I bristle quickly and strongly as the suggestion of rating bands or special exemptions, to the point that I will abandon this concept if rating bands or exemptions are going to be implemented.
George Clement (2012-04-25 17:28:04)
Ficgs World Cup
I also agree with Garvin and Thib. 11 groups, rapid time control, and no rating bands. However I think we need an activity requirement, nine or 10 rated games wouldn't be too bad of one!
Garvin Gray (2012-04-25 18:04:47)
Ficgs World Cup
To simplify the activity requirement, it can be that all players must have an established rating. No provisionals and no estimated ratings.
An issue regarding number of groups is, what if we 50 or so entries. 11 groups of 5 seems rather silly, so I think it would have to be 5 groups of 11, with 2 players qualifying for the final stage.
While having 2 players qualify is not ideal, it is better than having 11 groups of 5 players, which defeats one of the purposes of giving more games across different rating groups.
George Clement (2012-04-25 18:41:11)
Ficgs World Cup
To simplify the activity requirement, it can be that all players must have an established rating. No provisionals and no estimated ratings.
That would be really good! As far as the groups I think it would really depend on the number of entries. It will be tough to predict ahead of time.
George Clement (2012-04-25 18:43:08)
Anand-Gelfand, FIDE World Championship
Very slim. I don't think he can match Anand.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-26 01:13:45)
Ficgs World Cup
Great idea Garvin.
As far as activity goes, I think it should be either an established rating with a history of no time forfeits. It definitely should not be calculated based on RATED games. This is silly. I play many unrated games these days because its the only way to play strong players. I don't play rated here anymore because of the rating bands. So your activity requirement would exclude the very type of player you are trying to grab.
Peter W. Anderson (2012-04-25 08:59:48)
Ficgs World Cup
Either 2 stages of 20 or 3 stages of 11-13 would work for me. 20 is my personal limit for the number of games I play at once, but for this format I would make an exception and take on the group of 20 even if I had a few games running.
Like Garvin I am against banding on this, as it is against the original objective. I guess you could put a lower limit in, but I think it should be much lower than 2000. Maybe 1800 or even 1700.
One way of dealing with casual players and minimising the likelihood of drop outs is to only open the tournament up to someone who has already completed (a much better test than started) a certain number of games on FICGS. Perhaps 30 games which equates to 5 normal tournaments, (or even higher, at the risk of me not being eligible!).
Garvin Gray (2012-04-25 09:16:51)
Ficgs World Cup
Ahh now I think I understand some of the previous comments.
What you guys are talking about is a rating floor, not a rating band. With a rating floor of say 1999. So all players must be rated above 1999 to participate.
Not a big fan of a rating floor for this as it goes against the original objective, which is to provide more opportunities for players of different ratings to compete against each other. This does not only apply to 2000's v 2200's, but also applies further down the rating list as well.
The effect is not as pronounced, but still applies for the original objective.
I am in favour of an activity requirement. The standard in otb chess is that a player must have played nine rated games to get a rating, so the minimum activity could be ten completed games.
I am not as strong on the idea of an activity requirement as I am on no rating bands (which is very different to rating floor).
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-25 10:58:56)
Ficgs World Cup
Okay, so far I agree with Garvin on all main points I think.
- No rating floor (or rating band, of course)
- 11 groups whatever the number of players
- I think that the rapid time control is still ok as many games should be finished quite fast
Garvin Gray (2012-04-27 04:16:52)
Ficgs World Cup
Please, no replacements. If people can not organise themselves to add themselves to the entry list before the close of entries, they do not deserve to enter.
I think it is fairer to have one or two players not participate in a group than it is to add players after the event has started.
Please do not use replacements. This concept is meant to be the opposite in almost every way to WCH, and the main idea is to keep it as simple as possible.
Having replacements add a complication that is not required. It will also distort the balance on ratings of each group where forfeited players occur.
How do you ensure that each group where a forfeited player occurs and get a replacement? Otherwise you have filled some groups and not others.
See the hornets nest that is created by using replacements. Please do not use replacements, just let the normal standard tournament factors decide the final placings and people in the final stage.
Goran Guichsen (2012-04-29 11:08:29)
Slow tournament entries
Wouldn't it speed up entries if you could start playing as soon as there are two entries in a group? Then you know that you could start play almost at once. Now it could take quite some time before you may start playing because you have to wait until the group is complete.
It could also support speeding up finishing the group unless the slowest player is the last to enter (in case it will be the same as now).
Does it have to be exactly the same rules for low resp high rated players? Guess that lower rated players are not so concerned about the rating (as higher rated players are) but to play.
To prohibit to have too many games going could also stimulate to end lost/draw games quicker.
Don Groves (2012-04-29 13:59:38)
Slow tournament entries
The groups could also be made smaller in those categories that are hard to fill. Maybe a group of 6 or 5 would be better. It can always be changed back as the situation improves.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-29 18:26:23)
About Pinformant
Hi Garvin,
If you really want to help, just use it like you may use Facebook or similar sites e.g. share web pages of interest, comment it and invite friends. The site will help (very much) to get new members here as soon as there are about 1000 active members, thanks to ads of course. You'll see it quickly!
To invite friends, just click the earth icon in the top menu on the right and find your contacts in your webmail or social networks (this inviter will be used at FICGS soon, it may not work on IE or Opera though), or follow this link (if you are connected) to find all ways:
http://pinformant.com/user.php?page=friends
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-29 23:39:50)
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in Chessbase news
Sometimes strange things happen...
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8108
Don Groves (2012-04-30 05:23:35)
Slow tournament entries
The only idea that seems to please everyone is penalizing slow players. But not everyone agrees on what "slow" means. The current rules say it is 60 days per move. But others think it should be 30 days or even less.
My own feeling is that having too many games causes most slow play, so slow players should not able to begin new games until all their games over a certain age are finished.
Perhaps a better method would be to put an upper limit on the average number of days between moves in a game.
Goran Guichsen (2012-04-30 09:38:32)
Slow tournament entries
As I understand it (I am new here since 3 days ago)the problem is not players using the time allowed in a game. It is more spending a lot of time deliberatley when the result is obvious.
I really think Don Groves has some very good suggestions.
Another way could also be (probably already discussed) to "Claim" the result Win/Draw when the result is obvious (eg TableBasis says draw). Perhaps some higher rated players could be assigned to be arbiters.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-30 13:25:51)
Slow tournament entries
Hi Goran and thanks for participating into the discussion, that's always useful to have more voices here :)
There are already rules that allow a player to claim a victory before the end to shorten a game. There is no perfect solution to the famous "DMD" (Dead Man Defense) but IMO this remains a minor problem here.
Don's suggestion is interesting. There is already such a rule (max 50 games running)... I don't know what better criteria, not too complex, could be used instead. I really think that things must avoid to get more complicated at the end.
Anyway once more the real problem right now is the too low number of new members, and I'm working on.
Daniel Parmet (2012-04-30 14:20:00)
Slow tournament entries
I think the players complaining about the time they have to wait for a move are really just impatient. The reality is most have picked correspondence chess because they want extra time to think about moves. If you do not want extra time, then go play OTB or ICC. The honest answer is that while a move returned every day is the norm for best players -- is not a requirement!
Garvin Gray (2012-04-30 16:32:04)
Slow tournament entries
I think most players do not mind if others are taking their time, it is the unnecessary time wastage that can be an issue.
Maybe Thib can answer this- What is the average number of games that players have going at one time across the different rating ranges?
George Clement (2012-04-30 18:12:41)
Slow tournament entries
I think Garvin hit the nail on the head. It is the unnecessary time wasted that is the problem. Noone is saying not to take all the time needed to make a move, but waiting until your time is about out and making just enough moves to get the new increment is a problem!
Garvin Gray (2012-04-30 19:16:14)
Slow tournament entries
I think it is ridiculous that any player can accumulate 74 days in total on their clock and they can still get another 40 days.
That seems like a completely unnecessary amount of time to have.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-04-30 20:32:31)
Slow tournament entries
I really have no idea if something can be improved there. One thing is sure, the average time for a game is not the same according to the rating... I guess that it would be not reasonable to set a rule for each category so...
About the standard time control, if a player has 74 days on his clock and is to add 40 more days, he'll never have more than 100 days anyway.
Maybe this limit can be changed but once more players are free to choose the rapid time control and as for me I really appreciate not to feel too much time pressure in my games and I know that many share this view.
Let's not forget that the FICGS Chess WCH is (as far as I remember) much faster than e.g. IECG or ICCF Championships...
Scott Nichols (2012-04-30 23:03:10)
Slow tournament entries
Is it that you are not familiar with swiss system pairings Thib? Garvin and Daniel are TD's and I'm sure they would help. The wbccc is a swiss. At least it would eliminate a 2300 playing an 1100. Top half plays bottom half right? And winners play winners, I just don't see why it wouldn't work.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-01 01:36:08)
Slow tournament entries
Well, sure swiss system is great (FICGS freestyle cup is a swiss tournament too) but IMHO it is quite bad for the correspondence chess format (because of the number of rounds and the human factor)... Of course it would have some advantages but I think that inconvenients are more important, added to the fact such tournaments couldn't be 100% automatized.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-01 02:37:39)
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in Chessbase news
And now he is associating himself with, in a lot of people's view, a dictator: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8115
Garvin Gray (2012-05-02 18:46:59)
Slow tournament entries
So would I Scott, but unless it was to be played at a time control and format similar to WBCCC, it is not possible, unless it was run over 3 years :o
Scott Nichols (2012-05-02 20:33:06)
Slow tournament entries
The WBCCC is very successful with a time control of game in 30 days with a 1 hour per move increment. We could easily play 6 games in a year.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-03 04:23:36)
Slow tournament entries
Gino: That is because you are high rated and so play only other high rated players.
Which is good for you, but I am not sure if that is in the best interests of the site as a whole when it is one of the only formats offered.
Scott: I would like to use swiss pairings and have one game paired a time with a time control of something like 20 days plus 1 hour increment. It short, fast and with only one game, the time control should be long enough.
It will take more than 1 year, but that is not so much of a concern here.
I proposed the group and final idea to fit in with existing arrangements on here.
I would also be willing to do swiss pairings on here, like I do on WBCCC.
Daniel Parmet (2012-05-03 04:30:30)
Slow tournament entries
That time control is impossible (20 days plus 1hour). 30 days plus one hour was barely playable! Minimum increment needs to be 12 hours to cover for sleep/work times but more like 24 hours. The WBCCC was awful directly because of its bad time control. The only reason I played the WBCCC at all was to play strong players.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-03 04:31:45)
Slow tournament entries
Daniel, but in WBCCC you are playing 2 games at once. In my post above, it would only be 1 game at a time.
Gino Figlio (2012-05-03 04:36:12)
Slow tournament entries
Garvin,
You imply that I look out for myself only while you attempt to find the best for the site.
Either you don't know what you are talking about or you got it right but inverted the roles.
Daniel Parmet (2012-05-03 04:38:02)
Slow tournament entries
That doesn't matter... there was an IMMENSE drop in the quality of games from 30+1 day to 30 +1h now imagine the drop from 30+1h to 20+1h. The game quality would probably not even be better than an over the board tournament at that point.
You have two major problems 1) the poor time control driving the quality of games to utter crap and 2) the increment is not even enough to cover your sleep/work zone. So you are actually losing massive amount of time that had nothing to do with your number of games but rather your daily functions of survival.
If you think about 20+1h you are effectively saying the entire game should be played in 23 days per side.
Don Groves (2012-05-03 08:28:00)
Slow tournament entries
Here is another way to improve speed of games:
Look at Game 59984. My opponent in this game is a slow player and has the maximum of 50 games in progress. His next move is about as obvious as any move can be. He offered to trade queens and I accepted. His next move is clearly to recapture at b3. Any other move is suicide.
However, I made my last move on April 16th, a full two weeks ago and he has yet to respond even though his move is obvious!
I don't always make a move in every game every day, but at least I LOOK AT every game every day to see if any moves are obvious. If we all did this, the games would proceed at a better pace.
George Clement (2012-05-03 17:21:48)
Slow tournament entries
Garvin, I'm for conditionals; but the slow players still wouldn't use them.
I still think that an increment of, let's say, 20days is better then the current of 40 for 10 moves. It would force the people that are gaming the system and waiting 25-30 days to move after getting the 40 days to at least make faster moves. They would still have plenty of calculation time. Now they make 10 moves in 10 days. Thus 40 days plus 20 days for 10 moves.
Peter W. Anderson (2012-05-03 18:28:20)
Slow tournament entries
Of course there is no perfect time limit. What is too slow for one person will be too fast for some others. The current Rapid speed seems to get the balance about right - quick enough to allow a sensible length to the tournament but slow enough to allow some real thought even if you are working or have significant family commitments.
But perhaps the acid test is how many people are prepared to play at that speed. It does not seem to put people off playing in the current WCH, so whilst it will not be everyone's favourite, it does seem to have a broad enough appeal.
In terms of format, I think large groups (say 11+ people in each group) work well and I think better serve the idea of giving people a chance to play stronger players better than a Swiss, which is fine for a game or two and then flattens out.
In summary, I think Garvin's original suggestion works well.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-03 22:57:23)
Slow tournament entries
Many interesting things have been said in this discussion, thanks to you guys for defending sometimes opposite views, that's constructive.
I'm still thinking about all this (not so easy!), I should make a clear proposal within days.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-09 01:46:02)
Xiao Tong on his win in 6th FICGS Go WCH
Xiao Tong, winner of the 6th FICGS Go championship, kindly accepted to answer a few questions, here is the first part:
FICGS - Hello Xiao, congratulations once again for winning this nice match. Svante Carl von Erichsen was FICGS champion from the start of the site, after winning 5 championships. What did you think about his play & yours in these games?
Xiao Tong - Mr. Svante Carl von Erichsen is the strongest player I have met on this site. The games are so tough. In the middle of this match I thought I would lose in at least two games. At last I am lucky to have a 4-1 winning.
FICGS - Would you like to tell us a few words about you (where you live, other games you play, Go servers you play on...) so that we know you better?
Xiao Tong - I live in China but when I started to play Go on this site I was visiting France. In China when we play Go face to face, generally it takes 2 or 3 hours. But when we play on the ineternet, we always choose 30sec/move. I always play on TYGEM site, which is a China/Korea cooperated site. Before playing we need to install a client software. You can visit this address http://www.tygembaduk.com
FICGS - Unfortunately you are one of the rare chinese players at FICGS, but obviously they do very well. We all know many chinese Go champions names, could you tell us your opinion on the state of Go in China and in the world nowadays?
Xiao Tong - The past 10 years can be called Korea decade. They won more world championships than Chinese players, because before 1990 few Chinese children studied Go. But when China won several matches between China and Japan in late 1980s, more and more children started to study and play go. And then these millions of Go children grew up. Now Chinese players can get more world champions than Korea. I think besides the several world champions there are 30 young players in China who may win world championships in the future. They aged from 16-25.
FICGS - The best Go engines would now reach a level of 4 or 5 dan, is computer Go something that helps in such a correspondence Go championship according to you (and without revealing your secrets of course)? Do you think it is becoming a danger as it is for chess?
Xiao Tong - I don’t think computer Go engines can do anything. They are too weak.
FICGS - Do you watch other games played by your opponents before starting your games? Do you think that preparation is really important like it is in Correspondence chess?
Xiao Tong - I don’t take much time to analyze my opponents. But I will watch their games to get a first evaluation. World champions need to prepare before the game, because preparation can save their time in game. For me, preparation mean nothing.
FICGS - This FICGS Go championship is still young, what did you think about it? Would you change something, any rule, to improve it?
Xiao Tong - 1, Encourage players to play live games. One game can be finished in 2 hours when they play at 30sec/move. The more they play, the higher the site level will be. 2, when the world champion match is live on net, encourage player watch the games through your site. Let the watcher can bet on the live games. It will be more funny.
Many thanks to Xiao for these instructive answers, to be continued...
David Ward (2012-09-10 19:32:47)
Faster Refresh Time
Thank you for putting in the refresh options; however, the "no refresh" option is not working for me.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-09 21:54:16)
Xiao Tong on his win in 6th FICGS Go WCH
I agree also... Well, I should add some words on that when new players login for the first times. But many are quickly discouraged as they do not find any opponent. But maybe we just need (much) more players.
As for me I'd like to play more live Go games, I only need more time mainly because of my correspondence tournaments :/
Any other ideas are welcome...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-11 14:06:30)
Playing poker for e-points
I personally agree with you Paul :)
The big problem is that I'd directly go to french prison :/ Unfortunately this is not authorized in France (yet - there is some hope but it will take time anyway)
So unless I move to another country this will not happen before a while...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-12 13:35:05)
Top 20 Pro Go players
Here is a very nice series of articles/bios on current top Pro Go players by Gogameguru...
http://gogameguru.com/top-20-pro-go-2010/
Featuring Lee Sedol, Kong Jie, Park Junghwan, Choi Cheolhan, Kang Dongyun, Heo Youngho, Gu Li, Xie He, Won Seongjin, Li Zhe, Zhou Ruiyang, Tuo Jiaxi, Lee Changho, Qiu Jun, Kim Jiseok, Wang Xi, Cho Hanseung, Chen Yaoye, Park Younghun & Lee Younggu.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-12 13:41:03)
Playing poker for e-points
Epoints system for chess is the same than participating in an OTB chess tournament with an entry fee & prize. I guess (I hope) that this is authorized even in US.
But anyway you're right Peter, it took me much time to be sure of what it was possible to do or not. Actually FICGS could have started about a year earlier without that problem :/
Anyway there are many ways to turn around laws, e.g. if prizes are not money & so on... Maybe I could envisage something like that.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-12 23:26:19)
Playing poker for e-points
Actually the problem really exists in the opposite way... You'd be surprised! French departments really tried to discourage me to organize chess tournaments with money prizes, by making comparisons to gambling games! (and actually I also think that the limit is not so clear) - The problem is that there is no clear law on that issue.
I also know that the previous french government (Sarkozy's one) was to try to make it even harder to do that because of the success of some sites that offer skill money games. So I try to follow all this...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-13 14:18:28)
Ficgs World Cup
... still thinking about it.
Sometimes it seems to me that such a championship would look like too much to FICGS WCH round-robin groups & could make regular tournaments entries slower (also not all interested players could play both WCH & CUP). Sometimes I'm more optimistic & see it mainly as an event more.
Any opinion after these few weeks?
Don Groves (2012-05-13 14:37:24)
Playing poker for e-points
US gambling laws are antiquated (as they are in many areas). Gambling used to be illegal in most states but now nearly every state has gambling due to the rise of Native American casinos on reservation property. Also most states now have lotteries that were never allowed before. Times change faster than laws...
Paul Campanella (2012-05-14 17:01:35)
Faster Refresh Time
Is it possible to change the time that it takes to refresh everything to 15 seconds instead of 30 seconds?
It would certainly make playing fast games easier!
What does everyone else think?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-14 17:41:36)
Faster Refresh Time
You mean in the My games page? Well, sure I could make it even lower when there are few games (or none) displayed on the page, good idea!
Garvin Gray (2012-05-14 17:42:12)
Faster Refresh Time
Would this then not affect people who are typing replies/chat in games?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-14 17:57:56)
Faster Refresh Time
Having no pending game is a rare case, it should be ok. Worth a try anyway.
Don Groves (2012-05-14 22:46:36)
Playing poker for e-points
True, Garvin, many criminal still run their enterprises from prison ;-)
Don Groves (2012-05-14 22:48:07)
Faster Refresh Time
If I'm concerned about it, I simply refresh the page manually.
Paul Campanella (2012-05-15 14:07:37)
Faster Refresh Time
Here is an example of why I consider the 30 second refresh time to be bad...
Example: Pretend someone is playing 10 poker games on FICGS simultaneously.
Having the refresh time take so long is quite annoying due to the fact that nothing appears during the 30 second time interval, but after the 30 seconds are over... the page gets refreshed... then all 10 moves appear at once and it is difficult to manage.
Perhaps if we shorten the time to 15 seconds, it would end up being easier for everyone who is playing multiple games at once due to the fact that they can see their opponents moves as soon as they are made. 10 seconds is obviously too short of an amount of time to consider but I can't understand why the 15 second rule would be a problem for anyone trying to chat because it does not take 15 seconds to type a few words and hit the enter key.
If people still think that 15 seconds is too fast, then how about we make it 20 seconds? That could be an ideal amount of time to consider because it is faster than 15 but slower than 30 seconds.
What does everyone think?
Don Groves (2012-05-16 06:38:35)
Faster Refresh Time
You can refresh the page every five seconds if you wish. Just press My games, or use Ctrl R.
Paul Campanella (2012-05-16 16:56:51)
Faster Refresh Time
Automatic refreshing would still be better!
Don Groves (2012-05-16 21:18:49)
Faster Refresh Time
I don't understand how automatic refresh is better than refresh whenever you want it.
Scott Nichols (2012-05-18 16:44:21)
Private chat?
Maybe this has been discussed before, I don't know. Sometimes we just want to have a small chat with a particular person. Here there are three options, chat in public for all to see, go thru a series of e-mails (yuk), or leave the site to go somewhere this is possible. e.g. Thib, come to FB, Scott come to Playchess. Is it possible to do something like this?
Garvin Gray (2012-05-19 15:24:06)
Second match v Rybka Forum
Hello all,
I have been thinking about this for a while, but I was wondering how many ficgs players would be interested in participating in a match vs Rybka Forum.
We tried this concept once before with limited success from an organisational point of view. From a playing pov, ficgs had little success :o
I am thinking something like this for a format:
1) Time control 30 moves initial plus 1 day increment
2) All individual matches are two games
3) Players are to play in rating order. - RF now does have some kind of rating system, at least for WBCCC participants. I think more of their players have also come over to here, so have ratings here.
4) We possibly could use xfcc play, which would allow conditionals to be used, but might mean all the games are played and shown at RF. - Might be possible to have them shown here somehow 'live'.
So, time to get some interest. Who would be willing to participate?
I am going to post this over at RF as well.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-19 15:31:54)
Advanced challenges, time out expiry
I think time has come to implement a time out expiry on advanced games challenges.
If an advanced game challenge has not been accepted by someone with 1 hour of its posting, that challenge expires and is automatically removed from the system.
The challenge would then need to be re-issued.
This would help prevent the issue of players accepting challenges many hours after it was posted and then waiting around for a time out.
It would also help to ensure that the challenger was around to accept their own challenge.
Don Groves (2012-05-20 00:31:55)
Advanced challenges, time out expiry
This could also be fixed by not starting clocks until both players are online.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-21 15:45:11)
Second match v Rybka Forum
Neel, Planning is only in its infancy and there are many hurdles to overcome.
So stay tuned.
Some of these hurdles include:
Interest from both sites?
Whether we use Rybka Forum's playing client?
If that will be available to all or just RF members?
What the time control will be?
Will players have to play their games on here as well as RF?
Whether conditional moves will be used?
How many players per team?
Is it possible to use the RF playing client, but have games transmitted live on both sites, so all members of both sites can follow the action as it happens?
Will chat be allowed in the games? This could be a sticking point as the two forums run very differently on this issue.
Who plays for which team?
And the list goes on.
Scott Nichols (2012-05-21 19:06:41)
Second match v Rybka Forum
MY list is short, it would have to be played on here under strict time limit of 30 days + 1 day increment. And I would play for the home team. I think the RF players need to give this server a chance.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-25 01:39:55)
Members who never played
A long time issue... The active players rating list partially fixed it but it needs some improvement for sure. I should be able to do this in the next few days... finally!
Garvin Gray (2012-05-27 08:36:57)
Second match v Rybka Forum
It has been confirmed that we can use xfccplay for all the games, if we wish.
Xfccplay is a playing client where players can make their moves and they are transmitted live to the Rybka Forum sub forum where these games will be shown live. Hopefully it will be possible to also show them here live.
To pursue using xfccplay further, I need to know if anyone who is considering playing would be not willing to play if the whole match is held using xfccplay, rather than making moves on here.
I certainly do want the second match to be very different to the first. To start with, that no games end with time outs.
Likely format:
Time control: 30 days initial plus 1 day increment.
Format: Each player plays two games against a single opponent
Number of players for each team: As many players as we can get for both teams
Board Order: By rating for those who have ratings on the site they are playing for. Others can be placed at captain’s discretion.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-28 16:32:40)
Second match v Rybka Forum
How do we avoid time outs? :/
Well, games may be played on RF (using Xfcc or not) or here, or on both sites (players choice).
Garvin, I'm afraid that games played through Xfcc cannot be shown here but that's not so important if it is viewable at RybkaForum.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-28 23:41:10)
Private chat?
Sorry guys, I cannot integrate such a system for now (but the good point is that I do have the technology now that I implemented Pinformant)... now doing smaller but important updates.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-30 09:36:40)
No access for me to Rybka Forum
Can you please contact Dadi Jonsson immediately at Rybka Forum?
I can not access the forum, nor see any of the posts and due to the server upgrade, a lot of the back ground links are broken.
I can not send him a private message, nor reset my password as those options are also link broken.
Unless Dadi, or someone from Rybka Forum can sort out this issue, I have no access to RF at all.
Garvin Gray (2012-05-30 11:05:01)
No access for me to Rybka Forum
Looks like I am able to access the site now. Did anyone else have a period of time of no access at all?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-05-30 23:44:03)
Freestyle chess interfaces
Oh... didn't see this article before.
Well, I guess that a good freestyle interface should allow the use of an engine just like Playchess does. Playchess interface is not exactly a website though. But anyway there is so much that could be done yet to improve it :/
Garvin Gray (2012-06-06 13:53:31)
Second match v Rybka Forum
Hello all,
Current discussion here: http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=24942
Following discussions on RF and now what looks like a completely different format to what I was proposing and ideas I had in mind and seeing what looks like a no compromise situation from the RF side, it looks almost certain that I will not be having anything to do with organising this event, or participating for either side.
When I first came up with this idea of trying to get a second match going, one of the main ideas was to help promote both forums and playing clients to a wider audience, and especially to the better players for both sites.
Now that I see what RF seems to have in mind, or at least what they are willing to accept for playing conditions, I find them wholly unacceptable and contrary to the ideas and purposes originally intended.
The current proposed design really does have a pro RF feel about it, in that FICGS players will have to learn how to use xfccplay to play on here, plus possibly sign up an account, but RF players will not have to do the same at FICGS. I am also wondering, what happens if the high majority of players from both sites say they only want to play on their own forum. This whole competition falls over.
RF 'bosses' have been kind enough to allow xfccplay to be used for these games to make them a better product. I do not think it is unreasonable for RF players to play some of their games on FICGS.
Secondly, the current proposed design also goes competely against another original idea, which was to have the top player from RF competing against the top player from FICGS. And so on down the boards. This current design will most likely result in random board pairings and henceforth likely mis-matches, rather than having showpiece games and at the same time having the bottom players from both sides games counting as much as the top board. Potentially it could now be the top player from FICGS against the two bottom players from RF and vice versa. That is ridiculous.
So all in all, I have proposed a format originally on both sites. I do not see the current proposed format as achieving anything substantial and certainly not in the vein of the original ideas. Had I known the current structure was going to be proposed, I never would have bothered proposing this in the first place.
Unless the current structure changes, I hereby resign as overall organiser and go between for both forums and also as a participant in the second match.
Kind regards,
Garvin Gray
Garvin Gray (2012-06-08 11:07:00)
Second match v Rybka Forum
Following on from my post above, we will now be going with the format originally posted, which is:
1) Time control 30 moves initial plus 1 day increment
2) All individual matches are two games
3) Players are to play in rating order. - RF now does have some kind of rating system, at least for WBCCC participants. I think more of their players have also come over to here, so have ratings here.
4) Xfccplay will be used for the games played at RF
5) Conditional move system will be used for the games played at RF. Games played here will be using the standard interface.
Both sides are going to have to make compromises. Ficgs players who are not already familiar with xfccplay are going to need to learn how to use it and will also need to join RF.
RF players, who are not members of here already, will need to sign up to here and learn how to use this interface.
I can not give a definite sign up by this date yet as some of the nuts and bolts are still being worked out.
Can everyone start saying if they are going to play? I hope this will be more than just the players who already play in WBCCC as I do hope it is the best players from both sites participating as well.
Garvin Gray (2012-07-28 01:26:40)
Chess WCH Schedule ?
Sometime way in the future as we have only just gotten the site back.
Scott Nichols (2012-07-28 01:29:58)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!
This brings up the quote, "you never know what you've got till its gone." Been wandering aimlessly to other chess sites, into unfamiliar territory, and sometimes unfriendly. Now again we have a homebase, a place to park our cars! :)
Thibault de Vassal (2012-07-28 00:10:50)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!
First of all, I've added 15 days to all players in running games because of the delay and the fact that many of us may have no access to internet during the summer vacation (this time is added to the 46 days, 13 hours and 20 minutes since the crash for players expected to play), this issue was discussed at Rybkaforum, of course it may be unfair to few players in certain games where their opponent had few time but I did not find a better balanced solution, sorry about that :(
Among other consequences, the current championships cycle will last 10 months instead of 8, and july correspondence chess ratings will be updated very soon.
Well, how to start... fortunately such an event is rare but possible, and following the Murphy's law, it happened (first time for me), the server's hard disk crashed and the least I can say is I've not been lucky, even if I obviously did some things wrong.
Of course I had enough data at home to rebuild all games until a few hours before the crash but I thought it was worth it to pause the server during a few days/weeks to recover more moves, and if possible ALL moves. I really hoped that it would work and at the end it did, but not completely... for unknown reasons. I had also other data to recover from the server, including some FICGS data that were not backuped correctly (my bad), because I did not think far enough 6 years ago when I coded the first FICGS scripts... That will be fixed very soon.
So, because the DDrescue process did not work -unlucky- just after the crash, my server provider (OVH in France) had to send me the hard drive and it took sooooo much time already :/
Then I tried to recover some files and the databases by myself and I learnt much on how to save a hard drive but each process was really long, it took several days again...
Finally none process completely succeeded, few sectors of the hard drive remained unreadable and unfortunately the FICGS database is divided into very numerous parts written everywhere on the disk.
At the end, I brought the disk to the very best professionals able to save it... the process was quite long again and it did not completely worked as well, for an unknown reason the current database was still not readable but they did much better than me at the end.
Finally the whole process was worth it, but I did not expect it could take so much time.... 46 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes. And that's a shame :(
Of course, I could have used a RAID 10 server, I was not favourable to this choice because it is not 100% safe as well, I don't know it enough and it's much more expensive. I'll reconsider it though.
But the other things I did wrong are clear anyway, I lacked of experience in such a situation and most important, I'll do now better backups also on another server every hour. Next time (if any), we'll lose at most 1 hour of moves but the server will be able to restart within 1 day.
One thing is sure, internet was really empty for me without FICGS during this long month and a half and I missed our tournaments too much so that happen again! Have no doubt, FICGS would not have stopped in all cases but once again I'm really sorry about that and all consequences... I can only hope that you'll enjoy your games as before.
Thanks for your understanding.
Best regards,
Thibault
Charlie Neil (2012-07-28 10:11:05)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!
Thibault
Thank you for all your work. I missed my "club". Even down here among the 1200+ graded players we need our chess. We strive to improve.
Daniel Parmet (2012-06-09 05:36:02)
Second match v Rybka Forum
As far as a Rybka Forum match goes, as long as the time control is 30 days + 1 day increment then I would love to play.
As far as LSS match goes, I would only agree to play if it was on FICGS whree Thib would have control rather than the insane man that runs LSS.
Joop Simmelink (2012-07-28 11:11:44)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!
Fast answer
Sebastian Boehme (2012-07-28 17:26:23)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!
Many thanks for Thib on the hard effort put into making FICGS run again and on the surface look again as it used to.
Now may the rumbles and big tournaments continue.
Right in time with the big games of the Olympiad in London! ;-)
Paul Campanella (2012-07-29 01:55:41)
FICGS IS BACK !!!!!!!!!
46 days is certainly no joke and I imagine that this was no easy task. Instead of giving up and letting all the data just remain lost, you went above and beyond to recover everything as best as you could. In my opinion, that demonstrates your loyalty, devotion, and determination as the best website administrator around!
On behalf of myself and all of the other members of FICGS, I want to sincerely thank you for looking out for our us doing everything in your power to fix the situation as fast as you could.
3 CHEERS TO THIBAULT DEVASSAL!!!
Now that everything is back to normal... lets all have some imaginary champagne and toast the fact that we are glad that everything is back up and running! :)
Thibault de Vassal (2012-07-30 00:53:25)
Reset tournament waiting lists
Well, honestly I think that to reset or not to reset is about equally justified....... as many tournaments take a few months to start, it is not so different this time. Any other opinion?
Don Groves (2012-08-04 04:58:39)
Rating List
As Robert pointed out, the Established rating list is meaningless as it now stands.
Only the Active lists are accurate. This seems to be a strange situation. But, yes, not an immediate problem.
Scott Nichols (2012-08-10 22:53:49)
Premium site?
I usually agree with most everything, but I have to say... On the internet there are many, many free chess sites to go to, some better than others. Then there are the paid sites for people who are willing to spend a little to getting a better site and service.
This site is free to look around and very adequate for that. But some of us pay to play the premium features. The amount of down time is becoming a major issue. The first one, hard drive fried, who's hasn't, but since then, 2 more outages that I know of. For a premium site, this is disheartening.
Scott Nichols (2012-08-10 22:56:41)
Premium site?
Edit: It might just be my imagination, but this all seem to start with the introduction of the social network. Many people love these, I've never seen one.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-10 23:38:32)
Premium site?
Since the crash, the server was offline only once (as far as I know) and it is totally my mistake, the other sites on the server have nothing to do with it... After a common update Apache did not restart correctly and I just did not notice :(
I'll be more careful on this point too. Sorry again... Obviously I am a really bad webmaster sometimes.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-11 17:33:23)
Premium site?
Hi Garvin, it is true that during the first years a few players and an automatic checker were able to contact me anytime on my phone by email, unfortunately this was not the case anymore this last year but it should be possible again very soon, I'll let you know.
Don Groves (2012-08-12 08:40:05)
Premium site?
I agree with Alvin. A scheduled weekly maintenance could help prevent further unexpected down time. And all users would know to do something else with their lives during this period ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-12 10:18:23)
Premium site?
This is a good idea Alvin! We'll do that but unfortunately it will not avoid unexpected problems and short periods of down time.
Robert Kaspar (2012-08-12 16:20:43)
Starting an untimed correspondence game
How do I do it? Sorry -- new to the server!
Scott Nichols (2012-08-14 04:04:46)
Starting an untimed correspondence game
All games here have timers, (thank goodness), some short some quite long, something for everybody.
Alvin Alcala (2012-08-18 07:34:30)
This is Russia :(
The biggest blunder of Kasparov in his entire life is entering politics. It's simply not his game! :(
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-18 13:16:50)
FICGS backup is now ok!
Well, simple things are quite complicated sometimes (so many limitations on Linux) but finally the backup [site + database] works fine now...
Now the server can bug, crash, explode, whatever... I can completely reinstall FICGS in a few hours from most situations. There should not be more than 59 minutes of moves lost in the process.
- Complete backup every hour on a distant storage space.
- Complete backup every week on another distant storage space.
- Multiple database backup on the server (case of other problems)
- Moves incrementally sent to my email every 12 hours.
So, definitely the recent break shouldn't happen again... I hope so.
Rolf Staggat (2012-08-18 17:56:35)
This is Russia :(
No sad day for me.....
This man still thinks, he is the most important person in the world.
He only went to "Pussy Riot", because he wants to be seen on TV. He hates people like the Pussies, but he thinks it is good for HIM to provocate in front of the cameras of west-medias.
He does not know, what is reality. So now some policemen have to show him, what is real. No average intelligent person would try to find that out.
He never will be president of Russia, to be against Putin does not mean to be for Kasparov.
Kasparov only thinks in "white" or "black", but there are many more colours in real life.
By the way, the Pussies would never be known outside Russia with the noise that they call music. Now they have the time to learn.
2014 number 1 in all charts:
"Pussy Riot featuring Grandmaster Garry" the new super-group with their new song "Who is the greatest idiot"
I more prefer Grandmaster Flash.....He knows about real life.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-19 03:56:37)
This is Russia :(
Kasparov is a well-paid shill of the globalist power.
"Is Kasparov an anomaly or does he fit right in with this coven of far-right loonies? And who are some of the prominent members of the Center for Security Policy? Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, James Roche and Laura Ingraham. Oh, boy. The whole front office of the neocon’s cuckoo’s nest. Now tell me, dear reader, with friends like that; what should we really think about Kasparov’s performance in Moscow? Is he really interested in "democracy promotion" as he claims or is their acting out a script that was prepared in Washington?"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/12/05/why-murdoch-s-journal-loves-kasparov/
Vadim Khachaturov (2012-08-19 22:32:38)
This is Russia :(
Rolf, pussies arent the matter. The matter is that its possible in Russia today to be prosecuted as criminal and adjudged that without commiting a crime. Today its PR, tomorrow it will be anybody who cares about freedom and says "wrong" words about putin.It is a pure political case and Kasparov just says about that. And , of course, Kasparov and many others, who there were at the court on Friday, know, Rolf, the bitter russian reality far and far better, than You can imagine.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-19 23:04:16)
This is Russia :(
Vadim, you're right - "Pussy Riot" is a purely political case. But what are its roots?
The real reason why the Western media outlets have been so keen on covering the "Pussy Riot" trial has nothing to do with "free speech."
"Pussy Riot" and Kasparov are not victims. They are US State Department-backed instruments of corporate-financier hegemony, used as leverage against a Russian government standing in the way of Wall Street and London's order of international corporatocracy.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32395
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-19 23:12:08)
This is Russia :(
EURO: I would like to move from chess to politics. What do you think about the proclamations of Garry Kasparov, do you see the Russian political reality in a similar light?
KRAMNIK: I disagree with him. It seems to me that his political opinions are empty. Garry is too destructive for my liking. According to him, everything in Russia is wrong, Putin did everything wrong. But that is simply not true. I am convinced that if Kasparov wants to be in politics he needs to offer something positive too, something constructive. Even in the field of human rights protection in Russia there are a number of people doing a lot. Apart from criticising, they create something positive too, by helping some people. Garry’s approach to everything is just demagogic and destructive. I disagree with his opinion that the situation in Russia is as critical as he sees it. I go there often, my brother and my parents live there, so I think I have a pretty good insight. If you want to judge the current situation in Russia you must not take single aspects of it out of the general picture. It is the same as judging a position during a chess game – you need to bear in mind an entire chessboard.
Of course Russia is not a democracy on the same level as countries such as Germany or France, but you cannot judge today’s situation without taking in the historical context. Russia had never been a democratic country in the past, so that is why the transition is not easy. Nevertheless, nowadays eighty percent of the Russian population is not forced to fight for their existence, as they had to, some ten, fifteen years ago.
http://www.kramnik.com/eng/interviews/getinterview.aspx?id=178
Vadim Khachaturov (2012-08-20 07:47:14)
This is Russia :(
Dmitri, You are right. Nowadays in Russia everything, that goes against mr Putin or mr Gundyaev is inspired by US State Department.We dont even need any proof of that.And even if it was a provocation, the authorities reacted in a very awkward way.
If Kramnik wants to bear in mind the whole chessboard, let him compare the oil prices now and some ten, fifteen years ago when comparing peoples living.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-21 06:04:19)
This is Russia :(
Vadim, oil prices fluctuated over years. Up and down. The real question is how much revenue the Russian budget received (hence, how good the lifestyle is). In the 1990s, almost none as oligarchs reaped most in their offshores and deposited their "earnings" in Western banks.
"This honey collection is the best-guarded secret of capitalist superiority."
Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm
That changed after the nationalization (either directly or oligarchs became socially responsible) happened after 2000.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-21 06:13:22)
This is Russia :(
Vadim, you say the authorities reacted in a very awkward way? What would be a proper way to handle similar offenses? If you want to protest, get a permit and do so in a peaceful way like it's done in the West. Why double standards?
Vadim Khachaturov (2012-08-21 07:36:00)
This is Russia :(
Dmitri, oil prices and production amount fluctuated over years and we can even see how they were http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm Not awkward decision could have been the fine exposure, or maybe 15 days, but not 2 years of imprisonment.Can You feel the difference? Its almost as large as the oil prices difference in nineties and zeroes.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-21 16:23:20)
This is politics
I remember this interview of Kramnik with very good things said (I have no idea on the last part though, even if I have no doubt that things went in the right direction... fast enough or not. Quote: "nowadays eighty percent of the Russian population is not forced to fight for their existence, as they had to, some ten, fifteen years ago.")
But if things must not evolve too fast (as it probably happened in Russia 15-20 years ago), it is likely that both US (or European countries) & Russia don't even envisage to go the right way these times on political issues, mainly because the ones who control it don't want it. There are many more or less complex & historical reasons to this of course, completely logical, but anyway it could be better and even if Kasparov was paid by US or whoever, it looks quite logical & reasonable to ask for some deep changes in Russia too...
I try to keep a sociological view rather than an ideological one. I do not defend one existing system more than other ones, but unfortunately in most situations the power tends to protect itself too much "in order to" protect citizens, that is true in a good part but there also start many problems. It is still fine to me when citizens have choice and can leave easily but that's not so easy in our world.
David Ward (2012-08-21 18:19:46)
Faster Refresh Time
I would like to turn automatic refresh off so that my popup blocker is not triggered. I do not play fast games here; I play blitz on a live server.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-22 00:18:31)
Faster Refresh Time
Hello David.
Why not... I can make it customizable after all.
Thanks for the up by the way, I forgot this update. I'll do it tomorrow.
Paul Campanella (2012-08-22 15:24:09)
Faster Refresh Time
Yes, customizable for all would be perfect! Thank you, Thibault. :)
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-22 17:47:37)
This is Russia :(
Oil prices and production amounts alone mean nothing. Every oil producer has the same oil price at a given time. The real question is how much revenue the state's budget received. In 1990s, Russian offshore oil companies practically didn't contribute to it.
Example: Oligarchs register their companies somewhere in the offshore zone (say, the Caiman Islands). They sell produced oil to themselves not at the world price of $50 but at $25. The prime cost is, say, $24. So their revenue is $1, whose tax is paid to the state's budget. Then the offshore company sells the oil to the West at the real price. Hence, the state's budget is empty.
To change this, it sufficed to jail one oligarch - Khodorkovsky. :) The West's politicized outrage (more like hysteria) has nothing to do with freedom or free markets but with the interrupted "honey collection".
Caribbean Sea Pirates in Crisis
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Crisis_Ed.htm
Dmitri Mamrukov (2012-08-22 17:48:55)
This is Russia :(
Russia like other countries has its Criminal Code that clearly and politically obliviously lists punishments for offenses. It existed before the trial. There is no point for liberals to further politicize this particular trial just because it got media attention.
Britain (that considers itself as a democracy model) is not above "disproportionate" sentences for political activity.
http://libcom.org/blog/pussy-riot-convicted-britain-rails-against-%E2%80%9Cdisproportionate%E2%80%9D-sentence-hypocritically-18082
http://azstarnet.com/news/world/places-where-trivial-acts-carry-harsh-penalties/article_da567f48-ce33-555e-8ff2-365ec6c38a28.html
Thibault de Vassal (2012-08-23 13:58:20)
Faster Refresh Time
I've just made an update (see My games below "Next refresh")... no option in Preferences yet, I can't do it right now. I hope it will be ok for now.
Paul Campanella (2012-08-23 14:51:07)
Faster Refresh Time
Thank you, Thibault, this update is working out very well! :)
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-10 21:44:10)
Faster Refresh Time
Ah... sorry about that. Could you tell me what is displayed and what happens?
David Ward (2012-09-12 17:33:33)
Faster Refresh Time
I get the following report after clicking "No refresh" on the "My games" page, but I continue to get messages that Internet Explorer blocked a popup from www.ficgs.com.
"This page will refresh itself when you have a new move to play, then you'll see a (!) at the beginning of the page title.
If you do not see the clock below, your browser could not support Frames & Javascript or it could be turned off. In this case you will have to refresh the page manually.
This option is currently off.
Possible refresh delays for this session: no refresh, 5 sec, 10 sec, 30 sec. "
Garvin Gray (2012-09-12 17:52:25)
Faster Refresh Time
Simple answer David. Do NOT use ie under any circumstances!
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-12 23:37:00)
Faster Refresh Time
Hi David, unfortunately Garvin's answer is the best possible one, IE is really the worst navigator these days (and for a long time).
I encourage you to try Firefox or Google Chrome as obviously I'll never be able to solve all problems related to Internet Explorer :/ Sorry about that.
David Ward (2012-09-13 01:28:06)
Faster Refresh Time
OK. Thank you.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-19 13:39:54)
Limit number of poker games
Hi all, I'd like to have opinions about a possible change of the limit number of running poker holdem games per player from 50 to 100, for more fun. This is just poker after all :)
Personally I don't need more than 50 games but I know that certain players do, what about you?
The problem is still the impact of general forfeits and not to provoke a few ones more. I guess that certain players may go easily to 100 games then realize it is too much...
What do you think?
Daniel Parmet (2012-09-19 13:47:54)
Limit number of poker games
I think the games go far too long. I am done playing poker here because the average poker game is LONGER than the average chess game!
Garvin Gray (2012-09-19 16:58:59)
Limit number of poker games
Leave number of games at fifty and reduce the time control by a large amount.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2012-09-19 17:29:38)
Limit number of poker games
Hello Thibault!
Please change the number of possible poker games to 100 (or make it unrestricted).
IMO it makes no difference if a player forfeits 50 or 100 games, even not for the ratings.
If you see a way to reduce the time control, then do it, but I think there is no way ...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-19 18:30:24)
Limit number of poker games
Yes, I'm thinking (not all day long) for years now about a good solution to reduce the poker time control... obviously I did not find something satisfying :(
I know that many members play often one move per day, this is a problem.
Scott Nichols (2012-09-19 18:54:06)
Limit number of poker games
I've always said, use the blind control of the World Series of Poker (WSOP). The starting blinds go on forever, and then when the blinds go up, they go up to fast. The real game of poker should start on hand one.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-19 22:50:35)
Limit number of poker games
The scheme of the games cannot be changed, this is the only way to have coherent ratings... The games duration is the price to pay to have ratings that mean something.
Don Groves (2012-09-20 03:19:26)
Limit number of poker games
When two poker opponents are in far apart time zones, one move a day is about the maximum they can play. I vote for the blinds to increases after 25 moves.
The ratings in one or two games are not going to reflect skill anyway. Playing more games (shorter games) would do as good or better job of rating players.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-20 12:07:21)
Limit number of poker games
Don, I'm afraid that's mathematically wrong... compare 5 single games and a 5 games match (that counts for 1 game), a score of 4-1 does not have the same impact on ratings than a score of 1-0, the chancy factor is not the same. The aim of the whole thing was to have ratings not too close from each other, in other words significant (and I think they are).
Don Groves (2012-09-20 13:06:22)
Limit number of poker games
But if games were shorter, then far more than 5 single games could be played in the same time as a 5-game match is now. So you might be comparing 15 single games against one match. I feel this would be just as good for the ratings and a lot more fun for the players.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-20 17:20:31)
Limit number of poker games
The shorter the games are, the more important the chancy factor is, so ratings do not mean anything anymore...
But it would be more fun for certain players, I agree with this. FICGS is dedicated to be a place for ratings, it wouldn't be so coherent. As for me I see no fun at all in a pure chancy game, it's just like playing roulette forever.
Scott Nichols (2012-09-20 18:01:26)
Limit number of poker games
Maybe you could offer "Bullet Poker" events with bullet ratings.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-20 18:13:35)
Limit number of poker games
Nope, as for Go (and not as for chess) we all play bullet or correspondence poker about the same way, so one rating for all time controls.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2012-09-20 18:32:53)
Limit number of poker games
We had this discussion several times, but it never leads to a change.
My problem is, that sometimes I cannot enter a waiting list because of too many running games. I accept, that the games can last very long - that's not nice but I can live with that. But it should not stop me to get some new games with fast players. That's the reason why I asked Thibault to increase the number of poker games. Is there a problem if the number is increased to 100?
Don Groves (2012-09-21 05:01:54)
Limit number of poker games
Thib: Granted shorter games are more chancy but that is offset by playing a lot more games. The total number of *deals* is what offsets the chancy factor.
10 games of 100 deals has the same probability effect as 2 games of 500 deals. But 10 games in the same timeframe as 2 is a lot more fun, imho.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-21 12:10:16)
Limit number of poker games
The problem is how the chancy factor interfers on ratings. 10 games of 100 deals will provoke ratings much closer than 2 games of 500 deals or 1 game of 1000 deals, obviously. But it would be more fun, I agree (again).
Don Groves (2012-09-21 13:40:32)
Limit number of poker games
How would it "provoke ratings much closer?" What do you think would be the specific effect on ratings?
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-21 14:31:25)
A radical idea?
Yes, it is stored for each game, but the waiting list system does not work this way and the opponent must not miss the time control (in challenges or in the waiting list). But that's possible.
Garvin Gray (2012-09-22 08:40:14)
A radical idea?
How this could be done is as follows:
Player A (person sending challenge)specifies what time control they want.
This would do away with the concept of bullet, lightning and blitz as player can choose whatever time control they want.
The three terms are not required as there is no weighting for rating purposes in advanced chess based on the the time control.
Then the challenged player can accept the challenge, or propose a new time control or parameter.
The clocks would only start after the challenge has been offered and agreed to.
This would eliminate time forfeits.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-22 12:39:41)
Limit number of poker games
It is possible to calculate it but in brief, for 1 game of 1000 dealts, the perf will be opp.rating +350 or opp.rating -350 .. for 10 games of 100 deals with a score of 7/3 (which is quite unbalanced already for so few hands), the perf will be about opp.rating +170 or opp.rating -170
Don Groves (2012-09-23 05:49:25)
Limit number of poker games
The difference is not so great that I wouldn't enjoy shorter games more. 170 ELO points is still very significant given how slowly poker ratings change.
Garvin Gray (2012-09-23 08:11:54)
Limit number of poker games
I have tried reading this thread a few times, but seem to be missing a point or three, maybe even four.
1) Thib- Can you explain this a bit more in simpler fashion :)- It is possible to calculate it but in brief, for 1 game of 1000 dealts, the perf will be opp.rating +350 or opp.rating -350 .. for 10 games of 100 deals with a score of 7/3 (which is quite unbalanced already for so few hands), the perf will be about opp.rating +170 or opp.rating -170
2) When posters are referring to faster games, are they talking about reducing the time control, or having the blinds increase at a faster rate?
3) I would prefer best of 3, rather than best of 5. I am not sure if best of 5 on here really does produce more accurate ratings as I find it quite common that players will go all in early, or take risks early on, knowing even if they lose set 1, they are only behind 1-0 and there is a long way to go. Best of 3 would force players to play 'real poker' from earlier on.
This would produce more meaningful results.
The number of hands I play which involve just 1 and 2 chips pisses me off no end and deters me from playing more often.
Don Groves (2012-09-23 12:44:57)
Limit number of poker games
My answer is to increase the blinds faster. As Thib says, this reduces the skill effect in games but I think more games played will make up for most of that. Plus there's the fun factor. As you say, those first 50 moves can be boring.
Some players here offset that by going all in often. But that also reduces the skill effect.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-25 23:27:53)
Limit number of poker games
@Garvin:
1) It would be quite long to explain the full calculation for different examples, maybe best is to have a deep look at rating rules then come back to the discussion, sorry if it is not clear enough after that but trust me, it would change everything on ratings.
2) Both, I guess... the problem is that blinds shouldn't change and there isn't time controls that solve the problem.
3) Those who will go all in early will probably not reach the top of the rating list... That's the point :)
Hands that involve just 1 and 2 chips are real poker! The technical one, not the chancy one.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-25 23:30:02)
Limit number of poker games
Finally I've decided to change the limit number of poker games from 50 to 100, temporarily or not (we'll see if it has more good effects than bad ones).
But we can continue the discussion, still looking for good ideas.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-09-27 23:39:12)
Eros Riccio wins 6th and 7th chess WCH
By beating Alberto Gueci in the final match of the 6th chess championship & Ostap Hladky in the candidates final of the 7th chess championship, Eros Riccio will remain FICGS chess champion for at least 16 months! After this huge performance, Eros accepted to answer a few questions:
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- Hello Eros and congratulations again for winning your 3rd and 4th (respectively 6th and 7th cycles) FICGS chess championships in a row, beating Alerto Gueci in the 12 games match of the final match and Ostap Hladky in the 8 games match of the candidates final so that you meet yourself in the last round that thus will not happen for the 3rd time of the championship (first time was during the first cycle because there was no champion yet). All games of the two matches were drawn, but it does not say much on the intensity of the match as we all know your strategy since your win in your first final match vs. Edward Kotlyanskiy when you explained that your preferred a draw that guarantees the victory than a possible win where a mouse slip is still possible. Obviously your strategy works very well but one can add that you had an impressive number of running games at the rapid time control, so very much pressure... How did you live these last months of correspondence chess and these two matches?
Hi Thib! And thanks once again for the congratulations. These 28 games (let's not forget also the 8 games match against Gino Figlio) probably started in the worst moment for me, just a few months after the very important European Team Championship on ICCF had started. When I told my captain that I was starting another 28 games... he was very disappointed and worried, as he had repeated a lot of times to every player of our team not to start new tournaments and to focus only on this tournament. Also for this reason I had decided not to join the new Italian Championship and other tournaments and to withdraw from the Champions League, but unfortunately I had no control on when to start my FICGS games. So... my priority was for my ICCF games, and fortunately for me all I needed to do in my FICGS Matches to win was to make draws, and that's what I tried to do in most of my games as fast as possible, and to my surprise my opponents accepted to draw many games quite quickly, not trying to fight each game "to death" like I would have done if I would have been them. This of course only created quick boring games, but I didn't see the point in putting energy in trying to win games myself.... I think my opponents should have done that!
- We all know that you and Alberto are good friends from long time, did it influence your match in the 6th WCH in any way according to you?
Well, it's a good think knowing your opponent's habits... you can send your moves as soon as you know he goes to bed :-)
- Ostap Hladky is undoubtly one of the strongest players at FICGS, was this match (7th WCH candidates final) very different from the other one?
Hladky was the strongest player I had ever played on FICGS, he is very unpredictable, he simply plays unexpected moves that engines don't suggest, but if you show them those moves, they slowly realize those are very good moves. I risked to lose more than one game vs him, even as White. Luckily I still managed to draw, and in my opinion he also accepted some draws too quickly.
- With the last evolutions of chess engines, playing better & better chess, would you say that you now spend less time on each game or not at all?
I don't spend less time on my games, I still try to use (almost) all the time on my "clock". Trying to analyze as many variations as possible with the time you are given has little to do with engines improvement, who still are far from being able to always suggesting the best move by simply letting them run for hours on a static position. You need to analyze going "forward" in the position in order to be able to find the best moves.
- By the way, it is said sometimes (again) that correspondence chess will not survive the decade, what do you think? Do you envisage to change for Go or poker like many players? :)
Wins and Losses still happen even at the highest levels at the present time. I think that many years still have to pass before having all draws in high level tournaments. When that happens... and it will probably happen sooner or later as chess in my opinion is a draw with perfect play... then probably new rules will be introduced, maybe the board will be enlarged and even new pieces with new movements might be invented.
- You now are ICCF GM with an impressive 2624 rating, how are going your other correspondence chess competitions? Do you have any goal to reach yet?
All my ICCF tournaments are going good, and very soon I will be Italian Champion once again (just waiting my last opponent to resign a lost position). I still haven't reached the first place in the italian elo rating list though. That would be a goal I would surely have pleasure in reaching, and of course I would like to win the ICCF's World Championship at least once. After that I can retire :-)
- Thank you Eros, also for this great correspondence chess lesson.
Welcome Thib! A pleasure for me.
Jose Carrizo (2012-10-07 01:43:48)
WCH Final match
Very interesting proposal Garvin,and I see the point, but I think there is a problem with: "In the tie breaking four games, as soon as one player wins a game, the match is over." A lost position may be continued to avoid the first loss.
Maybe the tiebreak games must be played in faster time controls, and so on, like tiebreaks in OTB chess.
Garvin Gray (2012-10-07 19:13:36)
WCH Final match
>A lost position may be continued to avoid the first loss.
I had carefully considered this possibility. I will take an example from transfer/bughouse. When one player is about to be mated, they will stop playing that game, allowing their time to run out, in the hope that their partner will be able to mate the opposition before their own time runs out.
If both games in transfer reach a mate in one position, the side with less time on their clock with their turn to move loses as they will run out of time first.
How does this apply to the WCH?
Well, yes a player could stall on a game they think is lost, but then they would also be required to win another game to make up for it.
This could be a bit silly, but better than other options.
At least there is a sufficient reward for trying to win a game, which is the main objective of all this, to try and get the players to try and win as many games as possible.
>Maybe the tiebreak games must be played in faster time controls, and so on, like tiebreaks in OTB chess.
Not realistic on here. The faster the game , the more it becomes like freestyle/advanced chess and less like correspondence. Also, as is shown in otb, some players would prefer to try and win in rapids, so the solution of having rapid games could in fact increase the short draw odds because the players think, I would rather play a few rapid games, rather than a years worth of long correspondence games.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-10-07 19:16:15)
WCH Final match
I'm not sure if there can be a real debate on this issue (but we can try of course)... all opinions are in the nature, when I created FICGS I had in mind the original FIDE WCH and I'm still a huge fan of this system. Now fact is FIDE WCH does not mean anything anymore (its champions as well) after numerous bad changes and I feel FICGS chess WCH makes sense more and more.
12 games is enough to fight for a win IMO and I'm sure that there are a few players able to beat Eros in such a match (doesn't mean it would happen anytime though :)), I'm just too impatient to watch the next ones. Eros is building his name in correspondence chess in multiple places at the same time, and the fact that it happened here so quickly after he joined us makes me think that the system is good! I see nothing to change, the result of his match with Alberto was fully explained by Eros, the score has no importance at the end... and he deserves his other title in the other cycle even more by not having to play the final match... just my opinion of course, as I can understand all systems (ICCF etc.), just a question of personal taste at the end.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-10-09 13:44:04)
Go Gangnam Style :-)
Who still doesn't know this korean hit by Psy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
It seems that the game of Go appears in the video (didn't notice when I saw it last week) seen more than 400.000.000 times already on Youtube, which is huuuuuge! Good for the game...
Anyway, that cr*p is quite funny :)
Garvin Gray (2012-10-09 16:33:26)
WCH Final match
Thib: I think your analysis or love with the old style world champ format contains a flaw in relation to playing on here.
In the old style world champs, games are played one at a time. On here, all the games start at the same time.
Secondly, with the old style world champs, the matches were over 24 games, so the equivalent would be to play the final match over 24 games.
The current world champ cycle suffers from the same effect as the ficgs final match does, the match is too short, resulting in lots of draws because one loss is devastating.
If you do not want to change the rules to encourage players to try for wins, then lengthen the match to 24 games.
Otherwise you are just like quite a lot of organisers who just love the past (tradition) and are not prepared to make the players actually try to win games, rather than bore their viewers to death with short draws.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-10-09 18:52:25)
WCH Final match
Of course this correspondence chess championship is very different from FIDE WCH, but it seems to me that 12 games is still enough (24 games would be quite inhuman by the way), the score in the latest final matches was not significant on the draws issue, particularly now that we all know how Eros deals with it (in a smart way that can be compared to Kramnik's strategy in his match vs. Kasparov: draw with Berlin's defence, fight with White if no risk). IMO the champion has nothing to prove as he made it in a whole cycle and by beating the previous one, while a challenger should at least be able to win one game out of 12.
Actually the real evolution should have been towards freestyle chess, but it has no success enough to organize a whole cycle and it looks like Eros is the king as well. Also I don't like the idea to melt different time controls like FIDE does. The whole challenge is about one thing, not 3 or 4 differents kinds of games.
I love the past tradition not because it is a tradition, but because I really think it is the best system so far! If a new system proves to be better to me (there will always be a question of taste though, of course) then we would have to discuss it here.
The only way to encourage players to try for wins is to go towards the ICCF format, that has other issues that I wanted to avoid at any price. And why to do the same?
Jay Melquiades (2012-10-11 06:39:37)
for 2013 poker tourneys
that after 50 hands in a poker match deduct 10 hours from both players
after 60 hands deduct 20 hours from both players
after 70 hands deduct 30 hours from both players
and so on
imo it will cut down on those 100 plus poker handed matches i see when i check out poker tourneys
Thibault de Vassal (2012-10-11 13:04:50)
for 2013 poker tourneys
Hello Jay,
Good idea, and anyway if we cannot deduct x hours from a clock (a game could be lost this way), maybe we can divide the amount of time on both clocks by 1.5 or 2 every 10 moves...
Maybe we have an idea there!
Let's dig it... Any opinion?
Garvin Gray (2012-10-13 12:44:33)
for 2013 poker tourneys
I do not understand this idea at all, please explain in simpler or more refined detail
Garvin Gray (2012-10-13 12:49:22)
WCH Final match
Neel, I have no particular issue with draw odds. Being corro, it is not possible to organise anything that might be still decent corro, but is at a more rapid time control to get a tie break going.
My issue is that as Eros's comments have shown, he was not even slightly forced to try and win any of the games.
So I think the rules should be made more attractive to try and get players to win games (and yes put on a show too).
Another idea could be to start eight games, if the champion is ahead, the match is over and if still tied, start games 9 to 16.
If the challenger is ahead after game 8, games 9 to 16 are still played, and now the champion would have to go all out to win a game to at least draw level.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-10-15 12:58:54)
for 2013 poker tourneys
The idea is to have less time to finish a poker game, particularly when we play many moves a day... But mathematically the 1 move per day problem will probably remain :/
Don is right, the longest poker game so far here is more than 3300 moves (probably more than 500 hands), it can take a while to play it.
Michael Aigner (2012-11-06 15:34:52)
The very unofficial World Championship
Hello everybody,
the computer chess enthusiast of the CSS forum are trying to organise a match "Houdini 3 versus Rybka Cluster".
The initiative came from the maintainer of the renowned IPON rating list. His estimation for two long games is 864 ducats. There more the better. I didn't observe how much was donated already, but quite a lot, and there is big enthusiasm about it. It seems that very good hardware for the Houdini side, and a way to collect the ducats at Playchess, have already been organized.
For details, see http://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=5093
(I guess Google translation can help if required, with the usual quirks.)
If somebody likes the idea it would be easy to participate there too.
All the best, Michael
Philip Roe (2012-11-28 10:08:59)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?
This happened to me (still does) using either IE or Firefox. I cant close the annoying tab, but I can just minimize it, which makes it invisible.
Nick Burrows (2012-11-28 19:13:12)
How do I stop the pop-up message boxes?
Well I was not completely removed from society as I had access to a house which was about 200 metres away. It was wonderful to live simply amongst nature, chopping wood & carrying water! Cold in winter once the stove went out, but a wonderful experience...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-01 23:09:11)
Houdini 3.0
It seems that Houdini 3.0 is available as a commercial program for a few weeks at Cruxis website.
The 64-bit 4CPU would have reached a 3334 elo rating on the CCRL 40/4 list. This is about 90 points more than the free version Houdini 1.5a which seems to be a great improvement!
I just read on Wikipedia that Houdini was used by Viswanathan Anand [FIDE world champion]... It seems that it beats Rybka 4 in every match. In brief, Houdini is by far the best chess engine nowadays...
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-02 00:50:54)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
Hello all,
As I mentioned in the chat bar, there is a problem to build new groups as I usually do a few weeks after the start of the chess championship...
Players who entered the waiting list for replacements are:
AUT Rada, Hannes 2465
ISR Blinchevsky, Alexander 2206
ITA Bonoldi, Fabio 2049
DEU Wolf, Bernd 2113
ARG Reboredo, Daniel 1941
ITA Fabris, Alberto 1995
ITA Piantadosi, Angelo 1319
UKR Simashkevitch, Mykola 1987
DEU Lommler, Jan Peter 1860
BEL Pepermans, Toon 2000
USA Batal, Jean 1960
GBR Hancock, Sarah 1614
USA Johnson, Bobby 2412
GBR Burrows, Nick 1935
UKR Malish, Dmitriy 1146
COL Rey, Eduardo 1800
FRA Satonnet, Patrick 1351
GBR Soszynski, Marek 2143
POL Nig, Piotr 2028
USA Davis, Mark 1192
FRA Estieu, Frederick 1383
USA Lovelace, Randy 1504
CAN Deline, Ralph 2179
UKR Bromo, Alexis 1129
BIH Dautovic, Dzenan 1653
USA Knighton, Robert 1950
4 players rated 1500-1800 already replaced those who were to lose their games on time... As a result, we have many players rated 1900-2100 and too few with low ratings. Of course players rated 2400+ will not like to play in regular groups.
Right now I could create only one group with a similar rating average, nothing more but I would have to choose a few players only, which is not a great solution. I tried several combinations, M groups and so on.
I know that a few players would prefer not to see these new groups created and right now I see no solution good enough to create it.
If I cannot find any idea, I think there won't be new groups this time.
Any suggestion?
Robert Knighton (2012-12-02 04:33:02)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
"Round-robin tournaments are groups of 7, 9, 11 or 13 players, there may be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players". . .
The first group might be pushing it a little bit with Alexander being a bit low rated compared to the other two... but the rest looks ok to me. What do you think?
3 Man Double Round Robin
AUT Rada, Hannes 2465
USA Johnson, Bobby 2412
ISR Blinchevsky, Alexander 2206
3 Man Double Round Robin
CAN Deline, Ralph 2179
GBR Soszynski, Marek 2143
DEU Wolf, Bernd 2113
11 Man Round Robin
ITA Bonoldi, Fabio 2049
POL Nig, Piotr 2028
BEL Pepermans, Toon 2000
ITA Fabris, Alberto 1995
UKR Simashkevitch, Mykola 1987
USA Batal, Jean 1960
USA Knighton, Robert 1950
ARG Reboredo, Daniel 1941
GBR Burrows, Nick 1935
DEU Lommler, Jan Peter 1860
COL Rey, Eduardo 1800
3 Man Double Round Robin
BIH Dautovic, Dzenan 1653
GBR Hancock, Sarah 1614
USA Lovelace, Randy 1504
3 Man Double Round Robin
FRA Estieu, Frederick 1383
FRA Satonnet, Patrick 1351
ITA Piantadosi, Angelo 1319
3 Man Double Round Robin
USA Davis, Mark 1192
UKR Malish, Dmitriy 1146
UKR Bromo, Alexis 1129
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-02 12:45:42)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
Robert/Stephane, it is also mentioned in the WCH rules: "Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages."
By the way all similar groups must have the same number of players, otherwise it would be impossible to be fair when building the next round tournaments.
@Don: Yes, the deadline does not change but there are a few lines in "My messages" that explain that it is still possible to enter the waiting list (without guarantee to be included in a tournament).
Garvin Gray (2012-12-02 12:48:21)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
I agree with Don. Whilst not liking it, I understand for norm purposes and 'fairer' qualification chances between different groups, replacements are required.
I really do hope that the replacements are of similar rating to the player who forfeited their games.
But I certainly do not agree with adding new groups or players. All these players have entered the waiting list because they entered after the deadline.
If they get a run, they have been fortunate. To those who miss out, the message should be enter on time next time to guarantee your spot.
So Thibault, I think you are complicating matters way too much. Make the replacements to counteract the forfeits and that is it.
Garvin Gray (2012-12-02 13:51:13)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
Nick- Did not have the oppportunity???? The waiting list for the wch is open for a month, sometimes even more. Any player who wants to enter can do so at any stage between when the waiting list opens and when it closes.
So they have 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for four or more weeks to enter.
It is not like the entry period for the waiting list is only open for a couple of days.
The only people who could claim they did not have much opportunity to enter were those who only just joined the site before the waiting list closed.
As for why some of us might be 'getting too uptight'. Those who entered by the deadline have been seeded correctly as per the rules. Which means for some they have been placed in M groups with all those players being rated over 2200.
To now see the possibility of having a weak M group, which means those who have entered by the deadline have now been substantially disadvantaged compared to those who entered late.
I really do not care at all for your 'we are getting too uptight' argument Nick.
Those who respond have every right to debate the pros and cons of what is being proposed.
If you have something to actually add to this issue in terms of finding an acceptable answer for Thibault's conundrum, or wish to try and point out why his solution is not a good one, then feel free to add something to the debate and thread.
A few of us have pointed issues with Thibault's idea and our disagreement with the whole approach. That is our right to do so.
None of us have been abusive, derogatory or demeaning of anyone else, even if we disagree with the other viewpoints.
If I am an example of getting too uptight, in your opinion, so be it, but I do not like at all when players are able to enter late and even more when they look like, or are, getting an advantage they would not have gotten if they entered before the deadline.
Garvin Gray (2012-12-02 13:53:45)
Houdini 3.0
Thibault, I do not think you will any clear answer on this as there are so many factors, including how a person uses the engines, what interface and style they use the engine.
Also I am sure players will also tune their engine, or play around with the houdini settings to 'improve' their analysis.
The one thing I have noticed is that Houdini 3.0 is much faster at getting through the 20-29 plys, which I find very useful. Especially when using the back and forth method.
Nick Burrows (2012-12-02 14:04:13)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
I did not have the opportunity to enter, because I did not log on for the month it was open, as did the other players who did not enter.
I have not been "abusive, derogatory or demeaning" - lighten up! I believe I have every right in a public forum to express my perspective also, and that is that it is a game, some people take it too seriously, and that all those who were allowed to enter the waiting list, simply want the thrill of enjoying the game. That is all.
Robert Knighton (2012-12-02 14:45:47)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
My computer broke down on me about 2 1/2 months ago. I have been without a computer until a couple weeks ago.
I could not have signed up on time :/
And I'd be willing to bet most late signups were for lack of knowledge of the tournaments available, how they work, or that they exist at all. This site is not exactly new user friendly. Getting games is confusing until you understand the unique system being used here. Same goes for finding and entering tournaments.
If I cant get in then so be it; no hard feelings, but if I can get the chance to play, that would be wonderful.
What I really want is the chance to play stronger opponents. I'm still stuck in the sub 2k rating bands until more of my games finish.
Don Groves (2012-12-03 03:24:28)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
To clarify my position on this matter: I was not implying I don't like adding new groups after the deadline, I was simply asking for the rationale for doing so. My view is that we are all better off if these kinds of things are written in the rules so there are no surprises of this sort.
Robert Knighton (2012-12-03 17:57:26)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
any decision on this yet?
imo Do the best you can. Get as many people in as possible. include as many as you can and the ones you cant include just have to wait for the next opportunity.
I certainly don't want to hold anyone else back just because it might not be "fair" for them to get in but not me.
"Right now I could create only one group with a similar rating average, nothing more but I would have to choose a few players only, which is not a great solution"
not great but still better than nothing at all.
I would like to hear what your thoughts are on this after hearing everyone's opinions.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-05 14:20:36)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
Well, at the end I think that best is to do the same than in the previous editions. If I can build only one group then be it.
A few players will be picked up randomly to have a similar rating average. At least, as Garvin says, there will be a consequence for all players who entered the waiting list after the deadline, which seems fair.
The new group(s) will be created tomorrow.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-05 15:16:00)
Server change on dec. 9, 2012
Hello all,
As I just mentioned it in the newsletter, there will be a server change within 7 days, most probably on december 9, 2012.
I'll have to add 7 days to all clocks to avoid losses on time due to a possible slow DNS update by internet providers.
Wayne Lowrance (2012-12-05 18:27:37)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
Robert Knighton. You dont understand me. I was saying it is unfair for the two strong player having to compete against a much weaker player. It would have cost him point 4 sure.
BTW I must say. I very much agree with Don Groves opinions he has stated. here. Chess is a very structure event. Touch & move example. Thib's rules are just wrong ! period.I have said with rules in place he has a very difficult task. I said I would support him in his decision. But if it were left up to me. I would simply state, Late and your out ! NO excuses. that is just the way it should be. Sorry if I am offending anyone, it certainly is NOT my intention
Wayne
Robert Knighton (2012-12-05 21:34:02)
Problem with new groups for the chess WC
Wayne Lowrance said: "Robert Knighton. You dont understand me. I was saying it is unfair for the two strong player having to compete against a much weaker player. It would have cost him point 4 sure. "
Yeah I see what you mean there. Even if I could compete at that level then those players at a higher rating would suffer for it.
Also, no offense taken. We can peacefully agree to disagree on issues and perhaps we can settle it with a game one day :)
Seems like there should be a provisional tournament that new players coming to FICGS enter into automatically to determine rating, but that is a discussion for another place.
Robert Knighton (2012-12-11 18:21:23)
Improving visibility of draw offers
javascript info box notice?
Your opponent has offered you a draw
____
|OK|
seems like a simple, minimally invasive way to make sure it's seen
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-12 11:43:21)
Improving visibility of draw offers
Well, it happened that a few players offered a draw by mistake/bad click and did not see it, maybe that's the only way to avoid it...
Michael Aigner (2012-12-19 17:17:23)
The very unofficial World Championship
Final standing: 4,5 : 1,5 for H3
But finaly Cluster Rybka was able to win a game :-)
[Event "105m+15s, unrated"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2012.12.18"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Felix 2, Houdini 3 Pro x64"]
[Black "TryMe, Rybka Cluster 64 Cor"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "201"]
[EventDate "2012.12.18"]
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} Qb7 {-0.19/23 186 (Taa8)} 23. Rc2 {-0.04/28 250 (g3)} Rd8 {-0.19/23 338 (Lf8)
} 24. h3 {-0.06/26 88} Be7 {-0.20/22 47 (Lf8)} 25. h4 {-0.04/25 116 (Dd2)} Rd7
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24 131} 34. Qe2 {-0.36/27 0 (Te3)} h6 {-0.68/21 127 (Lc7)} 35. Rc3 {-0.54/25
164 (Te3)} g5 {-0.91/21 121} 36. g3 {-0.81/27 326 (De1)} f5 {-1.15/22 180} 37.
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39. hxg5 {-0.57/29 0} hxg5 {-1.06/25 15} 40. Nxg5 {-0.57/30 53} Kf6 {-1.08/25
39} 41. Rc4 {-0.62/30 57} Rb3 {-1.08/25 32 (Ld6)} 42. Kg2 {-0.49/30 67} e5 {-1.
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37} 58. Rf7 {-0.94/31 25} Rh2 {-2.24/24 23 (Th5)} 59. Rd7+ {-1.87/27 45} Kc4 {
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-3.12/29 51} Rhd5 {-3.81/24 0} 71. Nb2+ {-3.21/29 34} Kb5 {-3.90/25 0} 72. Rb8+
{-3.23/30 35} Kc6 {-3.96/26 0} 73. Rc8+ {-3.31/29 48} Kd7 {-4.04/27 0} 74. Rf8
{-3.73/31 166} Rb4 {-4.38/26 0 (Ke7)} 75. Nd3 {-3.36/29 38} Ra4 {-4.21/22 0}
76. Kb3 {-3.37/29 31 (Sf4)} Rad4 {-4.24/23 14} 77. Nf2 {-3.43/31 20} a4+ {-4.
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-7.46/25 63} 80. Ra8 {-6.34/32 0} Rd3+ {-5.11/15 2} 81. Kc2 {-6.52/32 28} Kb7 {
-12.55/22 0} 82. Ra4 {-8.77/32 122} R5d4 {-24.25/25 0} 83. Ra5 {-8.79/31 74}
Kb6 {-32.02/26 0} 84. Ra8 {-10.20/28 45} Rd8 {-61.24/26 0} 85. Ra4 {-11.82/31
46} Kb5 {-62.63/26 0} 86. Ra7 {-7.47/28 38} Kb4 {-60.64/27 103} 87. Rb7+ {-13.
80/27 0} Kc4 {-23.29/26 1} 88. Ra7 {-13.80/22 9 (f4)} Rc8 {-#18/24 351 (Te3)}
89. Kb1 {-13.79/28 24} Rb8+ {-#16/26 171 (Th8)} 90. Kc1 {-10.99/26 23 (Ka1)}
Kd4 {-#17/24 182 (Kb4)} 91. Rd7+ {-12.22/29 73} Ke3 {-#16/26 0} 92. Re7 {-12.
22/25 7} Rc8+ {-#15/29 83 (Kxf3)} 93. Kb1 {-19.95/27 10} Kxf3 {-#15/29 75} 94.
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} 98. Re2 {-#15/39 0} Kg6 {-#11/32 94 (Kf6)} 99. Rf2 {-#15/38 89 (Th2)} Kg5 {
-#11/37 108 (Tcd8)} 100. Ka1 {-#14/36 28 (Ka2)} Kh4 {-#10/39 69 (Kg4)} 101. Rg2
{-#13/36 6 (Te2) Felix 2,Houdini 3 Pro x64 gibt auf (Lag: Av=0.24s, max=0.8s)}
0-1
Garvin Gray (2012-12-13 02:19:32)
Improving visibility of draw offers
I think some kind of pop up is a good idea, where the draw receiver has to confirm they are declining or accepting a draw to continue play.
Michael Aigner (2012-12-13 10:36:21)
Improving visibility of draw offers
Another nice thing to have would be to see in the game notation when a draw was offered - as it is usual in otb chess.
All the best, michael
Garvin Gray (2012-12-13 16:52:12)
WBCCC 2013
This information is in regards to the World Blitz Correspondence Chess Championship for the year 2013.
It is held on Rybka Forum www.rybkaforum.net.
There is a full sub forum located on that forum that explains a lot of the rules, current list of players and specifics of information.
For a general run down, read on:
My name is Garvin Gray and I am the organiser and arbiter for this event. This event attempts to bring as many strong correspondence and freestyle players together from all the different playing sites, such as iccf, ficgs, playchess, lss and many other sites.
As the title says, this is a blitz event, meaning the time controls are short compared to normal correspondence play. This requires players to devote a greater share of their focus to these games than would normal correspondence play.
This event has been held for two years now, with the 2012 version still in progress. Feel free to browse the 2012 sub forum to see the games and how the structure works.
In the two years of this event, I feel that many new discoveries have been made and advanced freestyle chess knowledge has certainly been increased, to the benefit of all. Those who have participated in both events have gained a lot from their participation and I want to see this continue.
To allow this event to start and finish in one calendar year, we start in mid January and for 2013, it will finish in mid December. The format requires that you will play one game as white and one game as black in each round. There are 10 games in total.
Each round is paired as an individual swiss using the dutch pairing rules, but accommodations are made because each person must have one white and one black game per round.
Kibitizing is allowed and encouraged, but discussions about future positions, game analysis or anything else that could affect the result of the game is not allowed. Feel free to read the thread on game commentary.
There will also be a thread for each round that allows discussion of events during the round, general discussion about games or other general chit chat.
We do seek to provide a friendly, but competitive environment for those who want to advance their freestyle skills, or test themselves against other players from the different sites. This event will take up quite a bit of your time as the time control is fast, the play is difficult and the enjoyment factor high.
This is not meant to be a deterrent, but I feel I should make it clear that you need to be dedicated and willing to play each and every game/round.
Withdrawing or timing out mid game is not acceptable and will see you removed from the event. If you think you can not complete a particular round, it is better to contact me and have you withdrawn from that round. You are free to rejoin the event in these circumstances, but will receive zero points for those two missed games.
I hope to see more entries and good freestyling to everyone.
Cheers,
Garvin Gray
WBCCC 2013 Organiser
Alvin Alcala (2012-12-13 21:18:12)
Improving visibility of draw offers
A popup window showing "a draw offered" will fix the problem.
Neel Basant (2012-12-15 04:05:40)
Houdini 3.0
Not all forum members( Players)
I donot use Aquarium ..
It sometime cannot help.
Garvin Gray (2012-12-21 09:51:28)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Having read the regulations :) I think there could be a few improvements.
1) The time control is wayyy too long and unnecessary. Our time control of 30 days plus 1 day increment is suitable
2) Only able to contact the tournament director through your team captain contravenes the laws of chess and also is ridiculous.
If a player has an issue with their game, they should be able to contact the td themselves. It is their game afterall.
3) Will the teams play in rating order?
Nick Burrows (2012-12-21 18:19:55)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Hi guys, I would like to play if I qualify.
I noticed from previous conversations I had with members of other servers about a match, that longer time controls are usually preferred. Personally I would prefer quicker limits, but will happily play at any control. A slow match is better than no match!
Garvin Gray (2012-12-22 03:31:31)
Show opponents time
Hello Thibault,
I would like to see a display change.
Currently in my games, either in pending or running games setting, the amount of time I have remaining is showing. I would like to see a column which shows how much time my opponents have remaining.
I think this would be quite useful.
Please make this change :)
Cheers,
Garvin
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-24 22:03:56)
Show opponents time
Well, the main problem is space... there is no problem when names are not too long but this is not always the case.
I tried to make this page as fast to load as possible, I'm not sure if this would be useful but I can envisage this as an option.
Garvin Gray (2012-12-25 05:14:14)
Show opponents time
Preference option would be good. Those who want it can tick to see opponents time, those that do not want to see it can choose not to.
Not sure if it should be opt in or opt out. Probably opt out. That way you will get more feedback and more people aware of the possible options.
Thibault de Vassal (2012-12-29 22:46:10)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Well, actually many answers are in the tournament regulations...
If I understand well, each player should play from 8 games (!) to 16 games according to the number of servers participating (from 4 to 8), which is a lot...
- Is this ICCF rated? It seems that it is.
- How many boards in the teams? I read 30, which is a lot! Maybe too much.
- Will the teams play in rating order? I have no idea.
If we have players enough to enter this tournament then we can vote for a captain if several players want to be. As for me, I won't be able to play it.
The real question is who will be able to play 8 to 16 games on the ICCF server... As far as I can remember, we never found 30 players for a team event so far, without counting the forfeits.
So far, it seems that 2 servers accepted to participate while Chess.com declined the invitation.
Regulations:
http://www.mocorrchess.narod.ru/wccstc/en/regen.html
5.1. No less than 4 and no more than 8 teams to play the event. The teams represent chess servers. No one server is allowed to enter the event with no more than 1 team. Teams play each other in an each-to-each round-robin tournament.
5.2. Each team plays each team in a team match on 30 boards. Each player of a team plays 2 games (one with White pieces, one with Black pieces) with one player of the other team. Reserve players are prohibited to begin the games.
5.3. The team consists of 30 players. No more than 5 reserve players may be added in a team squad.
5.4. The games are rated for ICCF rating.
5.5. Time control is 30 days for 10 moves (with duplication after 20 days is used for a single move).
5.6. 30 days of leave per year are available for each player.
5.7. The team mates and captain can see the games live. Live transmission for public is delayed by 5 moves.
5.8. ICCF Playing rules are applied for the event. The playing rules may be seen at special page
Bogoljub Teverovski (2012-12-30 13:00:10)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Imho, if certain server cannot enter a team of just 30 players, it becomes clear this server has a very weak resource. Therefore FICGS should enter 30 players without hesitations.
George Clement (2012-12-31 18:36:23)
Show opponents time
I for this option. It would greatly help with the slow opponents in some tours.
Mark Josse (2013-01-03 21:05:10)
winning on time
Hi All
I have won some games on time but they dont seem to show up in my future rating performance. Do you get rating points for time wins or do they become unrated games ?
Please Advise
Thanks
Mark
Don Groves (2013-01-04 03:46:21)
winning on time
I believe a game must last for 10 moves to be counted as a win. The quitter does get a loss however. If this is not correct, I'm sure Thibault will let us know ;-)
Mark Josse (2013-01-04 22:16:05)
winning on time
Thanks Don that would fit with what is happening
Don Groves (2013-01-05 04:49:29)
winning on time
You're welcome, Mark.
George Clement (2013-01-07 19:27:15)
Show opponents time
Thibault have you made any progress on this as an option yet? I think it is a real good idea.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-08 01:08:20)
Show opponents time
No :( I'm late again but I should be able to do it within a few weeks.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-10 00:21:28)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Finally, I sent an email to all players about this tournament... we'll see if we can find 30 players. Not so easy IMO.
Valery Nemchenko (2013-01-10 05:22:51)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Dear Thibault!
I am willing to participate in the team event of FICGS e server. My rating ICCF-2465. Please let me know who else from our server will be played on a board which I claim? Best regards, Valery
Maxim Genchev (2013-01-10 11:21:29)
Chess Server Team Tournament
I'm interested to play
Maxim Genchev (2013-01-10 11:42:45)
Chess Server Team Tournament
I agree to play, if the average reytig tournament chess server team tournament from ICCF will be at least 2300.
Maxim Genchev (2013-01-10 11:47:06)
Chess Server Team Tournament
My rating ICCF-2309.
Neel Basant (2013-01-10 14:40:30)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Confirmed( Interested) Players according to replies.
1.Daniel Parmet
2.Alvin Alcala
3.Bogoljub Teverovski
4.Nick Burrows
5.Wayne Lowrance
6.Neel Basant
7.Ostap Hladky
8.Niklas Hallqvist
9.Arkadiusz Wosch
10.Daniel Blike
11.Josef Zmolil
12.Jiri Mach
13.Jose Moreira
14.Om Prakash
15.John Worthington
16.Garvin Gray
17.Arnab Sengupta
18.Ray Downs
19.Valery Nemchenko
20.Dinesh Bhandarkar
21.Shih-Chu Liao
22.Frits Bleker
23.Thomas Hasyn
24.Sergey Demchenko
25.Maxim Genchev
26.Mathaios Vardoulakis
27.Claudio Cabrera
28.Kieran Moore
29.
30.
Wow..
What a response!!!!!
sure Within 2/3 days will be more than 100 players.
Thib will have a headache while selecting 30 players..
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (2013-01-10 16:20:33)
Chess Server Team Tournament
I'm interested to play. Take me to the team
Daniel Parmet (2013-01-10 18:11:49)
Chess Server Team Tournament
I volunteer to be team captain. But we now have 31 players wanting to play. Also I would point out that we will probably get slaughtered on the lower boards as things stand right now. I saw at least one person wanting an ICCF team average of 2300. I would point out that I think a 2000 player here is 2300 over there but as things stand our FICGS rating average is 1964 based on the top 30 players ratings. For the 9 players that do have ICCF ratings our rating average is 2235.
Here is what information I could collect on our team so far:
Name FICGS Rating ICCF ID ICCF Rating TITLE Comment
1 Ostap Hladky 2527 941012 FIM
2 Valery Nemchenko 2521 940836 2465
3 Frits Bleker 2313 220159 2395
4 Garvin Gray 2281 30503 1993
5 Alvin Alcala 2237 896046
6 Wayne Lowrance 2194 FIM
7 Maxim Genchev 2187 940752 2309 Wants ICCF average of 2300
8 Arkadiusz Wosch 2169 89923 2307
9 Neel Basant 2138 280279
10 Daniel Parmet 2098 514938 2300
11 Om Prakash 2091 280243
12 Bogoljub Teverovski 2083 862003
13 Niklas Hallqvist 2082 451419
14 Kieran Moore 2042 260252
15 William Fuller 2033 514688 2350
16 Dmitry Tsimbalenko 1959 142268
17 Sergey Demchenko 1955 142224 2077
18 Nick Burrows 1944 212164
19 Rich Pinkall Pollei 1900 515095
20 Daniel Blike 1874 515250
21 Jose Moreira 1831 Are you the IM Jose Moreira id#399007, Rating 2390?
22 Thomas Hasyn 1808 865001 1922
23 Mathaios Vardoulakis 1800
24 Dinesh Bhandarkar 1707
25 Shih-Chu Liao 1660
26 Josef Zmolil 1632
27 Ray Downs 1536
28 John Worthington 1510 515287
29 Claudio Cabrera 1462
30 Arnab Sengupta 1340 280192
31 Jiri Mach 1010
Nick Burrows (2013-01-10 18:30:03)
Chess Server Team Tournament
yes I think some of our ratings are way under the actual level. My rating is 1934, but would be more accurate at 2300.
We should simply take our 30 highest rated players at the deadline for registaration in order to do Ficgs justice.
Stefan Haack (2013-01-10 19:24:02)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Im interested to play on iccf server
Stefan
Daniel Parmet (2013-01-10 20:37:23)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Thib... I know its a lot of games but it is also a very long time control! It would be great if you played. We need strong players and its your server we're coming to represent! I will volunteer to take captain duties so you don't have that work load.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-10 22:26:30)
Chess Server Team Tournament
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dear friends,
I'm very sorry, it seems that only 8 teams can play the tournament and they just found 8..... So we cannot play it.
Maybe 2 parallel tournaments could be possible but well, it wouldn't be the same thing, I guess.
That's my bad, I didn't think this would be a speed race and I was not so confident to find so many players interested. Obviously I was wrong :/
My apologies to all. Anyway, that's a good thing to know that server team tournaments played at ICCF web server are popular in the whole correspondence chess world. We'll be there next time!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Daniel Parmet (2013-01-11 00:31:14)
Chess Server Team Tournament
How sad that they did not bother to tell us there was a hard deadline. Seems quite improper. They send an invite then rescind it!
Garvin Gray (2013-01-11 03:31:52)
Chess Server Team Tournament
They were after eight teams and they received that number before the hard deadline of Jan 15.
As they received the maximum number, they are right to close it. No point waiting when you are already have your maximum number.
Mykola Simashkevitch (2013-01-11 22:20:15)
Chess Server Team Tournament
I'm interested to play
Maxim Genchev (2013-01-12 10:54:08)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Respected organization FICGS!
Please tell me, have you an official invitation to the participation in the team competition of the servers?
The fact is that until now, I was told, there is no agreement on this championship with IKCHF.V this case (if one has an official invitation and was later denied participation on the team FICGS) it is reasonable to make a complaint to the ICCF
Frank Goodram (2013-01-12 11:07:05)
How to amend rating?
If the opponent does not move for time and loses, to me anyway increases elo?
Garvin Gray (2013-01-12 12:07:48)
How to amend rating?
Radimiro, If the game is longer than 10 moves, then yes you win on time and gain elo points. If the game is less than 10 moves, no points gained.
Garvin Gray (2013-01-12 12:10:14)
Chess Server Team Tournament
Maxim,
Wouldn't it be quite likely that quite a few invitations were sent out with the condition of first eight teams confirmed are in, and the other eight teams had confirmed their participation before us.
I am wondering though, did they have to declare their full team list upon nomination.
We have a full team to nominate and I am wondering how many of the other teams are able to claim the same.
Maxim Genchev (2013-01-12 12:37:39)
Chess Server Team Tournament
The fact that there is still not compatible with the ICCF this tournament representatives ICCF not even aware of its existence!
Dmitriy Malish (2013-01-12 16:17:34)
Progressive Chess
In progressive chess, every move is a series-move. White starts with a series of 1 move, black answers with a series of 2 moves, white answers with a series of 3 moves, etc.
White starts the game by playing one move, Black answers with two and so on, always increasing by one the length of the series. Check may only be given with the last move of a series and must be defended with the first one.
Example.
1. e4
2. e6 Bb4
Bb4 seems to be ineffective.
3. a3 axb4 Nh3
Nh3 protects f2.
4. b5 c5 d6 Kd7
At first sight Black's moves seem valid but
they leave too much room for White to operate.
5. d4 dxc5 Bg5 Bxd8 Qxd6+
White has a strong position. First, Black must move the
King, and then he needs a least three moves to eliminate
White's Queen.
6. Ke8 Nf6 Nxe4 Nxd6 Kxd8 Kc7
There were not too many possibilities left.
7. Ra6 Rxd6 Bxb5 Ba6 Na3 Nb5++
A nice mate.
What about making this game on site?
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 00:23:43)
FICGS admin scam me
This admin is a big liar and scammer. I post here all story.
In 2010 I ask him how I cashout if I wish to.Bellow is our conversation :
"Re : cashoutMonday, January 4, 2010 3:25 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Thibault de Vassal" - ficgs at yahoo . com - Add sender to Contacts
Hello,
There's no button, you just have to ask me :) How many Epoints do you want to convert in Euros ?
Please specify your email at Paypal or Moneybookers.
Best wishes,
Thibault
Hi!
I don't see the button for cashout! Where is it? "
He didn't tell me nothing about some condition.Why? Because that time
was not specified.
Bellow is our conversation in the present time :
"Hi, I wish to cashout my 7,14 Epoints, to my Paypal account.Thank you.Regards.
Hello ,
You have to win at least one silver/gold tournament to cash out Epoints, feel free to read the conditions here:
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#prize"
...and on chat:
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you are a charlatan
(2013-01-15 23:46:58)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
I lost more than 7 euros,My deposit was much more
(2013-01-15 23:32:03)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
I just ask my money only ,not a profit or an interest
(2013-01-15 23:31:13)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
not crook.
(2013-01-15 23:29:42)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you think I care about 7 euros ,I have checked you if are or
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you are a bank,but for you only
(2013-01-15 23:26:30)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you are just a liar
(2013-01-15 23:25:15)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
your rule
(2013-01-15 23:24:44)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you told me about L511 ,I checked and write nothing about
devassal thibault :
This is a games server, conditions are clear on this...
(2013-01-15 23:17:12)
devassal thibault :
I would have told you to deposit? So, to be a bank for you?
(2013-01-15 23:16:07)
devassal thibault :
This is only a misunderstanding, obviously. sorry about that
(2013-01-15 23:15:09)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
You lied to me to make deposit here
(2013-01-15 23:14:01)
devassal thibault :
.. and let's see what others think...
(2013-01-15 23:13:59)
devassal thibault :
Just publish this email on the forum...
(2013-01-15 23:13:43)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
you think I am naive?then why you lied me then,in 2010?
(2013-01-15 23:12:10)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
ahaha,you are not lawer ,you are liar,liar, liar
(2013-01-15 23:09:24)
devassal thibault :
I'm not lawyer, but a lawyer told me what I can or cannot do
petrescu horatiuadrian :
from the law
(2013-01-15 22:39:35)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
ok ,tell me the article of legislation or give me the link
(2013-01-15 22:39:27)
devassal thibault :
french laws... but I guess that's the same in most countries
(2013-01-15 22:30:41)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
tell me which laws ,yours laws?or what
(2013-01-15 22:25:52)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
which laws?
(2013-01-15 22:24:57)
burrows nick :
ah!
(2013-01-15 22:02:52)
devassal thibault :
as money prize, by winning silver/gold tournaments
(2013-01-15 21:57:38)
burrows nick :
how is money recouped?
(2013-01-15 21:40:31)
devassal thibault :
FICGS cannot be a bank... that's you ask for
(2013-01-15 21:15:02)
devassal thibault :
In one word : because of laws...
(2013-01-15 21:13:32)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
or you don t want because the terms?
(2013-01-15 20:59:26)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
speak clear
(2013-01-15 20:58:33)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
I don t understand why u cannot,because the server?
(2013-01-15 20:58:24)
devassal thibault :
That's the point of this server after all
(2013-01-15 20:40:34)
devassal thibault :
Anyway, winning one silver game would solve the problem...
(2013-01-15 20:40:10)
devassal thibault :
.. but the fact is that I cannot do this & never could
(2013-01-15 20:39:11)
devassal thibault :
We can even discuss it in the forum if you want...
(2013-01-15 20:37:09)
devassal thibault :
That's specified in the conditions... just read it
(2013-01-15 20:36:18)
devassal thibault :
The number of Epoints had to be a multiple of tournament fee
(2013-01-15 20:35:59)
In my country exist many charlatans but I see in France too.France is beautiful country but "there are lees to every wine".
Thibault de Vassal (2015-08-03 02:34:42)
Improving netiquette rules
Well, after a few days thinking about a complaint, I finally decided to open a topic about this public remark in game 86290 (no need to name the players again here in the forum, by the way best would probably be that they do not intervene in this discussion) :
"my engine has said ckmate in 19,but black player,maybe,prefers passing by 51 days to lose on time"
Context most probably hasn't to be known, rules have to say if it fits netiquette or not (is it insulting or not, is it subjective or not) and of course this is the question.
In other servers, this may lead to a suspension or it may not IMHO, so I'd like to gather opinions on this case, any suggestion to improve FICGS netiquette rules will be appreciated.
In my opinion, we'll have to determine if any PUBLIC remark on the use of the clock is acceptable or not and if not, what measurement to apply.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 01:07:41)
FICGS admin scam me
Hello again Horatiu,
Sorry to see that you do not accept to realize that FICGS rules have always been clear on that point (it is specified that it is required for you to read and understand it before using this site), also that this site is not a bank, which is true for all similar websites - at least in France but most probably everywhere.
So here is the continuation of our conversation in the chat room (you have to read it from bottom to top). We can continue it here if you wish, this way we'll not bother everyone with this. By the way, maybe other players who experienced the epoints thing will be able to confirm all this.
Do not worry, I will not delete this discussion, at least this will be informative for everyone (I hope).
______________________
petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] of course ,I just open a topic to see everybody who are you
(2013-01-16 01:00:12)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I have no problem with this.
(2013-01-16 00:58:59)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] anyway, we can continue this discussion in the forum...
(2013-01-16 00:58:49)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] insults are unnecessary...
(2013-01-16 00:58:28)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] and fraud
(2013-01-16 00:58:23)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] yes i lost 4 ,is not mistake ?you are a mistake
(2013-01-16 00:53:06)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] ... a bank just by saying it
(2013-01-16 00:51:34)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] because it explains that it's not possible to be...
(2013-01-16 00:51:20)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] no gipsy,but then why you told me about L511 code?
(2013-01-16 00:49:44)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] There's no mistake, obviously...
(2013-01-16 00:49:14)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] Then you won 1 & lost 4 silver games...
(2013-01-16 00:49:09)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] I know exactly how many epoints you bought/ when and how...
(2013-01-16 00:47:47)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] What do you expect? finding FICGS rules in french laws?
(2013-01-16 00:44:05)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
[Remove this comment] you are a charlatan
(2013-01-15 23:46:58)
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 01:34:58)
FICGS admin scam me
petrescu horatiuadrian :
is the reality,are you forgot who talking?
(2013-01-16 01:33:16)
devassal thibault :
Okay, just do it... :)
(2013-01-16 01:32:52)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
defaimation,ahahahah ,are you child? is not defaimation this
(2013-01-16 01:32:31)
devassal thibault :
I will not hesitate to use it if necessary...
(2013-01-16 01:30:56)
petrescu horatiuadrian :
boehme this site is scam as long as not pays its members
(2013-01-16 01:30:15)
devassal thibault :
But we have a law in France on "defamation"...
(2013-01-16 01:29:54)
devassal thibault :
I allow you to say what you want here on this story...
(2013-01-16 01:28:55)
...continuation
petrescu horatiuadrian :
and I will post on others forums on internet ,and on WOT too
(2013-01-16 01:26:40)
boehme sebastian :
You seem to forget what this site contributes to chess!
Garvin Gray (2013-01-16 07:28:11)
FICGS admin scam me
My head hurts. I was hoping that by starting a thread some clarity could be brought to the discussion, but all I really see is just an endless stream of back and forth chat bar claims and counter claims.
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu,
Would be nice in simple to understand, clean and precise language, what you are claiming to have occurred.
Others have experience with the e point system here.
I have asked you to detail your complaint here, hopefully without all the rhetoric. But if you start abusing me if I do not give you the answer you desire, then I will not reply and you get no resolution.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 12:29:30)
FICGS admin scam me
Dear Horatiu,
Unfortunately for you, I also kept all emails that you sent to me and that I sent to you... Now here are the facts:
I sent 30 emails (!) to you to kindly answer again and again what is explained in terms & conditions and Help section. I explained to you how to use a captcha, how to use the site and so on..........
First of all, you forget one important thing: It is required that you ACCEPT and UNDERSTAND terms and conditions BEFORE you register.... Obviously you didn't understand it, I cannot do anything there.
Second of all, you are of bad faith and here is a clear proof:
Among the very first emails (before the one you mention), here is the answer I sent to you:
<<<<<<<<<<
December 14, 2009 - Monday, 21:22
Hello,
It is all explained at - http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html & http://www.ficgs.com/help.html , when you have Epoints, you can play Silver & Gold games, winning Epoints or money according to the results & tournaments...
Best wishes,
Thibault
<<<<<<<<<<
I guess that you kept this one too but you "forgot" to mention it...
Now, I've said enough. I was patient, but now I'll apply FICGS rules (you should read it carefully) and french laws as soon as you act again against me.
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 13:52:08)
FICGS admin scam me
You are arrogant again ,when you say I don't know how to use a website.I asked you about a button for cashout or not?
And you did't answer me why your site not use a security system implemented .Why you avoid to answer me?
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 14:51:05)
FICGS admin scam me
Ok ,you told me.
But you must implemet an security system for that members who want to play without machine.
And remember ,you this condition is not honest ,because I ASK MY MONEY NOT an interest or profit.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 15:39:18)
FICGS admin scam me
That's nonsense Horatiu, since this site authorize computer chess, it is perfectly honest to play with machines, and of course I don't have to implement anything to avoid that...
About your money, you bought Epoints... You cannot ask for money just like this, you have to win silver/gold games to claim money prizes according to terms & conditions. You accepted this when registering.
Continuation of the chat:
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] you just had to click the link...
(2013-01-16 14:18:23)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] the conditions are in the link
(2013-01-16 14:18:04)
devassal thibault :
[Remove this comment] this is the right email! with correct date
(2013-01-16 14:17:39)
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 16:20:21)
FICGS admin scam me
Of course you will don't implement anything because you are very avaricious.You are miserly for 7 euro :)))))),not to mention an implementation chess security system
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 17:14:06)
FICGS admin scam me
Well, obviously you do not have any idea about what computer chess is... there are thousands of fans all over the world, full forums only about that, even the very best chess players in the world like to play it (Kasparov, Anand, Polgar, Ivanchuk...)
You still do not understand that this has nothing to do with avarice. Noone here wants to see such a system to be implemented.... first of all because it cannot be 100% sure (it would be very easy to cheat anyway), then everyone would suspect everyone to cheat... FICGS is a peaceful place (without counting 2 or 3 players out of hundreds/thousands) so this is fine like it is. For information we also offer NO_ENGINES_TOURNAMENTS for those who want to play with their brain only, but it is not rated... for the same reasons.
We have no problem that a few players cannot understand it at the end, but we do not need to hear again and again that computer chess is "lazy" or "dishonest", that is just untrue and insulting.
About your 7 euros, all has been said, I've nothing to add. This is not a bank, if you want a money prize, you know what to do (starting to read the terms & conditions).
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 17:56:29)
FICGS admin scam me
I was expecting at your shit answer,how else can think a man of greed carried to absurd.You are a man without morals and scruples.I cast pearls before swine.
Anand and Kasparov no play against computer for money stupido.You infantile ?
"None here wants to see such a system to be implemented":))) Hey arrogant boy I am nobody? I am member here since 2009.And how you know everybody else no wants ,you asked them ? Stupid and inflated admin.
And how many times you will repeat like a parrot that this site is not a bank so often I will say myself IS A BANK FOR YOURSELF. Everybody can see.
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 18:07:11)
FICGS admin scam me
Garvin,if you say your mind is not lazy ,and if you say I am ignorant ,i challenge you at a fight without using any machine.What do you say you accept ? There are many websites like playok.com where we can play without using programs not how says jerk admin that "it would be very easy to cheat anyway" How you cheat if is an implemented security system?
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 18:10:33)
FICGS admin scam me
Of course I meant players who understood what this site is....
If someone registers while thinking this site is a TV shop website, he may claim that there are no TVs enough to buy on here and say the admin that he should ask all players if they want TVs available to buy but well.... wouldn't it be quite ridiculous?
Players who are not aware that the use of chess engines is encouraged are very rare... The message "As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Rybka, Fritz, Shredder...) is allowed and encouraged in standard chess tournaments." is visible when anyone enters any rated chess tournament.
Is it really necessary to have this message blinking in big size on all pages?
Horatiu Adrian Petrescu (2013-01-16 18:16:33)
FICGS admin scam me
Hey boy, ENGINES CHESS ARE ALLOWED WHEN YOU LEARN CHESS NOT WHEN YOU PLAY FOR MONEY.
Are you so stupid with your statements and next time I will not answer you because even God cannot fight with stupid and scam men.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 18:18:25)
FICGS admin scam me
About cheating on these websites, quite easy... just use a chess engine, copy its moves from one window/computer to another and do not play the best moves all times... playing the 2nd or 3rd best move should be enough to beat most human players...... and do not win in less than 50 moves. No program can detect it. And almost everyone would be able to do that.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-16 19:56:14)
FICGS admin scam me
I'm very sorry that you had to read this Josef, we shouldn't have more messages from him in the future...
My best regards,
Thibault
Vadim Khachaturov (2013-01-16 20:52:11)
FICGS admin scam me
Thibault, please, instead of sending heaps of messages to this noble man, just send a ten pills of Haldol to him. It will better help him and all of us.
Don Groves (2013-01-17 18:32:44)
FICGS admin scam me
Vadim -- :>)))
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-23 19:30:49)
Show opponents time
Hi Garvin & George... feel free to tell me what you think of the current display.
Please report any bug if you notice ones :)
George Clement (2013-01-23 21:08:12)
Show opponents time
Looks good to me Thib
Garvin Gray (2013-01-24 15:42:35)
Show opponents time
Thank you for this feature. It is certainly beneficial.
No bugs so far.
Also nice that a forum suggestion has been implemented :)
Peter W. Anderson (2013-01-24 19:57:18)
Show opponents time
It's there but almost invisible with a Grey Shade background.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-24 21:23:20)
Show opponents time
@Garvin: long time, indeed :)
@Peter: now fixed, thanks!
Don Groves (2013-01-24 23:19:15)
Show opponents time
Garvin: This is far from the first time Thibault has implemented a Forum suggestion!
Peter W. Anderson (2013-01-25 10:00:54)
Show opponents time
Thanks Thib - much better :)
Thibault de Vassal (2013-01-25 12:19:55)
Show opponents time
@Don: Not the first time of course but I'm afraid Garvin is right... Last time was quite a while ago :)
Garvin Gray (2013-01-25 12:30:04)
Show opponents time
@Don: I did not say it was the first time.
@Thib: The last time a user generated forum idea was modifying the groups, which lead to the idea of the highly successful standard open format :o lol
Don Groves (2013-01-25 18:25:10)
Show opponents time
I suggest one more slight change in the My Games page: clicking on a player's name shows that player's "information" page.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-02-02 12:49:58)
Show opponents time
I'm not sure... I'd like to keep this page as light as possible :/ ... If I add a link for each player, I should add it for the account's owner too (for some coherence)... Thinking about another display.
Garvin Gray (2013-02-26 14:48:14)
What size groups do you prefer?
I have played in groups on here that have 5, 7 and 9 players and I am interested in seeing what other players prefer for size of a tournament group?
Having played in these sized groups, I am starting to prefer the 9 player groups, where a game time out or not starting has less influence on the overall group.
What do others think?
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-01 19:13:16)
What size groups do you prefer?
IMO, 9 was a good choice (yours btw?) for the WCH... 7 may be better for regular tournament as it starts faster. The balance seems quite good now.
Just my opinion of course :)
Let's see what others think!?
Garvin Gray (2013-03-02 10:47:03)
What size groups do you prefer?
Larger groups will always take longer to fill. I would prefer larger groups, but I prefer groups to start regularly, rather than waiting three or so months for a group to start.
I think we do have a serious issue with groups not being able to start because of insufficient numbers.
I proposed the ficgs world cup to complement the ficgs world champs. Rather than attempting to tinker with the group bandings we have at the moment, perhaps it is time to consider that players are more likely to join another 'event' rather than just another group that was just like the previous one they played in.
Garvin Gray (2013-03-10 14:26:50)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005
When will freestyle 5 be held?
I think it is time for Alvin Alcala to put his title on the line.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-10 16:34:51)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Hello all,
It seems that the current vacation system can be used in various ways to recover days at the clock while it is not particularly dedicated to.
We have 45 days of vacation per year, it is now possible to leave 45 times 1 day.
An idea could be to take a minimum of 3 days while there are more than 2 days remaining. Thus one could leave a maximum of 15 times.
Any opinion on this possible change?
Alvin Alcala (2013-03-10 17:11:47)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005
Nice to know it will be finally held. I the like the schedule of April 6-7 to have enough time for advertising the tour and have more participants.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-03-10 17:12:40)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I'm against this change!
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-10 18:29:58)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
It seems just more realistic this way, why are you against this idea?
Neel Basant (2013-03-10 18:37:47)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Thib you are right.About 3 games are saved due to that.My opponents took advantage of that.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-03-10 18:41:09)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
It should not be the role of rules to regulate my use of the leave. If 45 days is too much, then reducing the number of days.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-03-10 18:43:00)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
To Neel: You can also take advantage of it :)
Peter W. Anderson (2013-03-11 13:30:40)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I think this would be an excellent change.
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-11 13:45:25)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I think this is a terrible change.
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-11 13:46:38)
What size groups do you prefer?
I don't think the problem here is with group size but rather the silly rating brackets we switched to some time back. It makes it virtually impossible to play strong players.
Garvin Gray (2013-03-12 16:15:46)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I think the main question here is: What is vacation meant to be used for?
The original premise for vacation time is that it is in place for people who go away on vacation or are sick and need some time off without having to risk timing out to do so.
This means they can still enter a tournament without having to worry about timing out or being at such a time disadvantage.
This is the purpose of vacation time.
It is not meant to be used to allow players who have chosen through their own choice of time management to avoid timing out games.
Therefore the rules should be changed to match the intention of vacation time.
Hence the proposal of a minimum of 3 days vacation and that it can not be used at all once a player gets under 3 days initial time.
Also, I would probably add that there should be a limit to how many times a player can take vacation blocks, but this might be hard for the server to calculate for each game a player is involved in.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-03-12 17:38:02)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
At work I can take a single day off, but not in my hobby? That sounds strange ...
Garvin Gray (2013-03-13 09:46:51)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Not quite the same Heinz. If you repeatedly took one day off, especially if was every second day or so, then there would be questions asked.
Same thing here.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-13 13:12:49)
Announcement
Hi all,
The 5th FICGS freestyle tournament will happen on april 6 & 7 (2013) - three rounds each day at 13:00, 15:00, 17:00 server time. The format will be the same (30 minutes + 15 seconds per move) than for the previous edition.
Entry fee : 10 Epoints, prize : 100% Fees + 70 Epoints
Deadline : 2013 april 6 - 12:00 server time
This time, just like other players, IM, SM & GM will have to enter the waiting list by themselves (entry fee : 10 Epoints), but they will recover their Epoints if they play all rounds.
Best regards,
Thibault
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-13 13:28:44)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Not true Garvin. It is the same thing. Work will even allow you take half days off - no questions asked. Maybe we should move to 12 hour increments?
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-13 13:42:07)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Not an easy topic after all... Well, right now I think that 1 day is more "natural" or "intuitive", at least an easier rule but it's true that vacation can be used to help in some games. Let's see if others have an opinion on that.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-14 21:29:45)
Freestyle tournament
Hmm, I did not think about what can happen in the 5 or 7 rounds options but anyway it's too late for this time... 5 rounds is really few, and 7 would need one day more. Really hard to find the "perfect" balance.
Jose Carrizo (2013-03-15 16:28:10)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I'm against this change. One day minimum is OK.
Garvin Gray (2013-03-16 11:09:33)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I am wondering if everyone has read each of the replies before posting.
I am sure some have, but I do suspect that some have just replied without considering the consequences of their replies if they were enacted, or not.
Instead of changing the minimum days for vacation to 3, how about there is a maximum cap for the number of times a person can take vacation in any one single game?
This would prevent a player from repeatedly using vacation just to avoid timing out, which is not what vacation is designed for.
Rolf Staggat (2013-03-17 15:09:17)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
45 days are 45 days are 45 days are 45 days.
Why make another rule how to use them ?
Shorten or cancel the vacation, but do not make anything more difficult.
When I am one day absent, then I am ONE day absent. So it works on ICCF and everywhere.
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-17 17:11:41)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I agree with Rolf.
I think the problem Garvin is you have to first ask if someone seems it as a problem that vacation could be used to stop from flagging. In my mind, that is a resounding no without any sort of question. Why would it be a problem is someone chose to use vacation that way?
I can't think of a single reason.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-19 11:25:56)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I just received a long and detailed private message from a very strong chess player who explained how vacation have influenced some of his games and I must say it was quite a strong demonstration of the issue.
Obviously it is a problem for certain players.
I'm not really favorable to a change here as it will complicate rules and the use of the site but here are the facts:
- Vacation are just rules... vacation may mean anything. So it is ok right now.
- Is it normal to save games thanks to vacation by gaining day after day ? It is just a question of point of view but IMO the answer is no. At least it cannot be done for each game separately, which is a great thing.
So we have a contradiction here.
Finally my proposal is a change for 2 days minimum that I would install in 2 months from now.
I think it would be a fair compromise... It should reduce the effects on the games in the future and it is quite short yet.
Any opinion on this change for 2 days minimum? Acceptable or not?
Bogoljub Teverovski (2013-03-19 14:34:11)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I'm against the change in question.
Don Groves (2013-03-19 16:09:03)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
There will always be a loophole for some to take advantage of. Leave the rules as they are.
Garvin Gray (2013-03-19 16:35:20)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
The easiest option is to increase the rapid time control to 40 moves initial and have no vacation.
Rolf Staggat (2013-03-19 17:05:12)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Thib, the "very strong chess player" is a MINORITY here. If he does not want to talk in this forum, his opinion is irrelevant.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-03-19 17:51:20)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I can not imagine how a player can gain an advantage from the vacation time. Ok, he can analyze his games during that time, but his opponent has the same option. So the additional time cannot be the key to a win.
In my opinion the problem for some players is that it is annoying when they have to wait longer for an answer. I don't think that this should be a reason to change the vacation rules.
If the rules are changed however, this should not happen until the beginning of next year with the new vacation period.
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-20 00:32:02)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
My opponent just went on leave with 11 minutes left on ICCF. I don't see a problem with it. Can someone please explain to me the problem here?
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-20 00:33:56)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Also, I have to comment on Garvin's idea. I love Garvin. He does wonderful volunteer work. He is a good player. And I've been on a team with him. But that idea is atrocious, why would you eliminate vacation entirely?! I request here and now for my account to be deleted the very second vacation is deleted.
Jose Carrizo (2013-03-20 01:24:39)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I agree with Parmet, Lehnoff, Groves and Teverovski. Don´t change the rule, it's ok for me.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-20 13:41:09)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Well, at the end the only problem may be that vacation should be specified in time controls... eg. 30 days + 1 day/move + 45 days leave per year.
Right now, vacation is actually a part of the time control.
Still thinking about all this.
Don Groves (2013-03-22 00:49:44)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
What other reason is there for vacation except to stop your clock?
Kieran Moore (2013-03-23 13:17:09)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
On another site vacation is divided into two blocks of 20 days.So in most games a player would only have 20 days leave. Its annoying if players use their vacation time to prevent Flag fall as Chess is about tactics and time management. Bad positions tend to cost time, so players shouldn't recover from bad positions by running their vacation days.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-03-23 13:51:58)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
On other sites vacation can be taken per tournament. That's what I prefer. But I think the current vacation rules on FICGS are ok.
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-23 15:16:30)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
So if I understand correctly the argument against vacation is wanting the flag to fall to win in a position they couldn't otherwise hope to win.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-03-25 22:03:01)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Sorry Daniel, I did not get it... What do you mean here?
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-26 00:00:47)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I was just translating Kieran Moore's complaint into the actual problem with vacation. People are complaining that vacation is preventing them for winning on time in a drawn position.
Don Groves (2013-03-26 02:12:31)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Huh?
Garvin Gray (2013-03-29 06:50:22)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I am not sure about the others, but I have mentioned anything about a board position, or a result from it.
That has nothing to do with the subject, in my opinion.
The issue is solely to do with players, who generally, allow their clocks to get very low on time, then use vacation time to avoid timing out.
There is no objection whatsoever to a player using vacation time when they go on vacation, or who needs to take a few days off for whatever reason. That is not the issue.
I only proposed a work around idea to this issue of having no vacation time at all and instead adding more initial time.
I do believe there should be a limit to the number of times a person can be on vacation in a single game.
Daniel Parmet (2013-03-29 23:58:55)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
It was not you Garvin it was Kieran.
Anyways, I have yet to hear the problem with vacation.
Garvin Gray (2013-03-30 09:44:52)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005
Also, everyone who enters should be careful.
Daylight saving time starts tomorrow morning, so the time difference between you and local server time will be different between now and the start of the freestyle cup.
Garvin Gray (2013-04-06 05:58:17)
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For everyone, so they can work out what time 1pm server time is for them:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130406T13&p1=195
Jaimie Wilson (2013-04-06 17:04:44)
Thematic tournaments?
Hi Dann,
Yes, under waiting lists - special tournaments. It seems the last Sokolsky tourney was back in 2010. I'm sure there will be another one day - 'good things come to those who wait' could be the motto of this site.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-04-06 21:50:39)
Thematic tournaments?
Hello Dann, thanks for the suggestion... we can play another one soon, sure. Just check the home page from time to time!
Thibault de Vassal (2013-04-06 21:52:45)
!!! The Next world chess Champion !!!
Very hard to say this time...... really.
Magnus could crush Vishy, Vishy could crush Magnus... everything quite possible!
Peter W. Anderson (2013-04-10 09:06:37)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005
Congrats to Alvin. I dropped in a few times to watch a few minutes of the games and you always seemed to have stuff under control :) Impressive against tough opposition.
Alvin Alcala (2013-04-10 17:13:00)
FICGS__CHESS__FREESTYLE_CUP__000005
Thanks for the compliment. I always put pressure and seems works well :). You should join next time, it's quite fun!
Garvin Gray (2013-04-12 19:42:11)
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What I would like to see is that these are regularly held, perhaps one each quarter.
That way there is better promotion, more play and less issues, both in the running of the event and players knowledge of how this event works.
On the structure of the event, I would like to see a 20 second increment, instead of 15.
I found the 15 second increment quite often was just enough time to:
See position
Input into engine
See evals
Input move into game position
Make move on here.
An extra 5 seconds would make a lot of difference.
Scott Nichols (2013-04-23 00:39:31)
!!! The Next world chess Champion !!!
Carlsen is in a class by himself, much the same as Fischer was in the late 60's and early 70's. Anand had a tremendous talent, but the years do take there toll. I predict not only a win by Carlsen, but a shattering of Anand's ego and will leave no doubt in the world of chess, finally the questions will be answered.
Wilhelm Schuett (2013-04-23 17:31:15)
Thematic tournaments?
It doesn't have to be Gambits all the time.
For example less played like in the third move of Ruy Lopez, Old Benoni, Modern Defence, 1.d4 e6 2.c4 with 2. ... Lb4+ or 2. ... b6, 1. ... Sc6, Old Indian, Morra Gambit , Ponziani.
Daniel Parmet (2013-04-27 01:54:31)
Thematic tournaments?
We've had just about every single suggestion so far at some point in time (not that a rehash isn't a welcome thing).
Thibault de Vassal (2013-05-07 13:17:57)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
As you may know, Eros Riccio won the 8th FICGS chess championship by beating Jeroen Van Assche (who remains undeafeated though, he did not lose a single chess game at FICGS yet) in the candidates final, preventing him to play Eros again in the final.
Eros kindly accepted to answer a few questions:
- Hello Eros. First of all, congratulations for winning this 8th FICGS correspondence chess championship. Once again, you did not even have to play the 12 games match to defend your title as you won the qualifying tournament. In these conditions, the challenge was really tough for Jeroen Van Assche, in despite of his prodigious chess. He had to beat you consecutively in the candidates final (8 games match), then in the final (12 games match). How did things go in this candidates final?
Eros: Hi Thibault, thanks again! I was also worried to have to play a very strong player like Van Assche, but fortunately I had again the advantage that all draws were enough to win, and so my strategy was again not to take risks in all my games. As White it was easy... and surprisingly also as Black. The only game where I had to be more careful than others was this one: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qf3 h6 8.Be3 Qc7 9.0-0-0 Nbd7 10.Qg3 b5 11.a3 Rb8. Here Jeroen surprised me with an interesting novelty, 12.Kb1. The two times I had played this position I was White against Gueci and Kruse, and in both games I continued with 12.Bxb5 but couldn't get more than a draw. The idea of 12.Kb1 is to sacrifice a Pawn for the initiative after 12...b4 13.axb4 Rxb4 14.Nb3 Nxe4. The White Bishops are very strong after 15.Nxe4 Rxe4 16.Bd3 Ra4 17.Bd4 and fully compensate the Pawn less. Anyway I managed to defend, and when I was finally able to trade the Queens we agreed for the Draw.
- You also won the ICCF Umansky Memorial a few weeks ago, the italian correspondence chess championship (again) as well, obviously you played numerous games last year, what do you plan for the next months? By the way, Jeroen already qualified for the candidates final of the 9th cycle, meaning that he may play you in the final match next year if you defend your title again, is there a chance that we can see a revenge?
Eros: Yes, like in the past, also last year I have played a lot of games... anyway for the future I am planning to reduce my games a lot. At the moment, except a few games in minor tournaments, I am only playing for the italian colors at the Olympiads and European Championship, for ICCF. I didn't register for the new Italian Championship this time... I prefer to wait that another individual top ICCF Tournament starts. And of course I am also waiting to meet my next challenger for the FICGS Final! Maybe it will be Van Assche again, we have to see if he beats his opponent in the semifinal (actually next candidates final).
- It looks like a few chess engines reached a certain maturity, I mean algorithms. As a consequence, the computer speed may become the major evolution factor during the next years, that is generally slower than the program's improvements (but the future may have surprises, of course). What do you expect from the computer chess world in the next few years and its impact on correspondence chess?
Eros: As I have already said in a previous interview, being chess probably a draw with perfect play, the more engines get stronger, the more draws we will see. That's quite obvious.
- You probably do not play chess over the board so often, yet you have a quite good ELO! (about 2200, while many correspondence chess masters are rated below 2000 or not rated at all) By the way, I can certify that you are a strong blitz player after we met a few years ago. Do you still play tournaments?
Eros: I am not playing otb chess for a few years, my peak was 22... and a few points, I don't remember exactly. One of the main reasons why I stopped is because later, when analyzing my games with an engine... every time I got frustrated a lot seeing all the blunders I was making.
- Do you estimate that playing OTB chess is good to improve at correspondence chess?
Eros: Yes, it's useful especially if you develop a strategical style, then also in your corr. games you can see more easily "long-term-strategy" plans, which is still the "weakest strenght" in all engines.
- Do you feel that you're still improving at correspondence chess? If yes, is it mainly a question of opening book or something else?
Eros: Improving at corr. chess... hmm... I will surprise you with my thought about this matter! I think I can evaluate my strenght according to the speed of the computer I am analyzing my games with. When I bought this computer, 3 years ago, I felt like I could beat the corr. World Champion. Now... as my computer is becoming older and older, I feel like my play is getting weaker each day it passes. So my answer is that I am still getting worse at corr. chess, not improving.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-05-08 22:05:53)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Not so easy to find good questions... particularly for the same player after the 3rd or 4th time in a row :)
Eros Riccio (2013-05-10 16:09:30)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
you know, Thib, I have always wondered why corr. chess is so easy for me. As I said, human chess is a completely different story, I feel like a beginner there, blundering at almost every move. But at corr. chess, with the help of the computer, things become extremely easy. I don't know why not everyone using a computter too is not nearly unbeatable as I am. maybe they use weak engines? Slow processors? Maybe they let their engine analyze the position only for a few minutes? I came to the conclusion that it must be something like that, otherwise everyone would play at GM Level by just analyzing for a decent amount of time with houdini on a fast processor. My conclusion is that I have more success than most other players because they don't take corr. chess too seriously, they probably have some better interests and only take corr. chess as a fun hobby.
Eros Riccio (2013-05-10 16:29:52)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Hi Alvin:
1) It depends on the position. Deciding a move may take from a few seconds to many days. My longest thought was 64 days for a move, in a decisive game of a past Italian Championship, the move was so hard for me that I also used the 30 days leave in order not to exceed the time limits for a single move. If someone is curious, it's move 40...Rh3 of the game Baiocchi - Riccio 0-1, 57 Italian Championship, played in 2007. Back then, after all my analysis with many different engines, I found out that Hiarcs was the engine that understood better than all the others that endgame, so I sticked to it mostly and its suggestions rewarded me with a win that allowed me to become Italian Champion.
2)The top 2 engines, which I usually use (and consider about equal) in infinite analysis at the same time with 3 cores each on my 6 cores computer are houdini 3 and deeprybka 4.1. Then come all the others, hard to pick a third place, probably critter or stockfish, depending on positions (stockfish is very strong in endgames, critter in tactical positions)
Garvin Gray (2013-05-11 15:20:04)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Eros, how do you think you would go in events with shorter time controls?
Attila Ba (2013-05-11 16:56:56)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Do you ever overrule the engine? ( I mean, have you ever made a move which was considered inferior by the engine. )
Are you willing to make moves suggested by opening books even if there valued less then optimal by the engine?
Eros Riccio (2013-05-11 17:08:42)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Garvin,
the speed of the pc is much more important for events with shorter time controls. The shorter the event, the fastest the pc is important. I don't know how short you mean with shorter, if you mean very much shorter, like freestyle games, 60 min + 15 sec, I did great there, while I have never tried time controls like 1 or a few days per move... I don't think I would do bad there too anyway.
Eros Riccio (2013-05-11 17:32:04)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Attila,
sometimes it happens that I play a move that is not the first suggestion of the (supposed) best engine. Anyway I usually use more than one engine for analysis and it may happen that they all suggest different best moves, so it's not always easy to say what is a best move, also because even if you analyze with one engine only it may change his best move if you give it more thinking time.
Anyway it happens very rarely that I play a move which is not in the top 3 houdini suggested moves.
As for the second question, yes, I would trust (not always of course) a good opening book, as if the book has a good score with that move it means that it contains games which led to wins. It also depends on the quality of those games, but a good quality book should contain high-level games, so why not trust it?
Garvin Gray (2013-05-12 01:25:35)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
I was referring to a time control like 30 days initial plus 1 hour per move increment
Eros Riccio (2013-05-12 01:55:59)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Ok, I have never played that time control. I think that would be a little too fast for my tastes, as I am used to take some long pauses between the moves quite often.
That's one reason why I have never joined the WBCCC Tournaments on rybka forum, as they had that kind of time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-05-15 00:10:34)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time
Hi all,
Does anyone know how to specify a forfeit / loss on time in PGN notation? I just read the Wikipedia article but did not understand the way to do it...
Thanks in advance!
Attila Ba (2013-05-15 01:14:55)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time
I dont know if this is the standard way to do it, but at MyChess curly bracket comments are used for this purpose. Like this:
39.Rxg5 a2 40.Ra5 Rc1+ {resigned} 0-1
13.Rxe4 Rxe4 14.Nxd6 {time} 1-0
Thibault de Vassal (2013-05-15 13:39:14)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time
Thank you Attila. I think I'll add this {time} information very soon.
Attila Ba (2013-05-15 14:46:09)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time
Artur Wachelka, the creator of MyChess is a very talented programmer. This was the site where I first started to play online chess. He uses this notation in a universal manner: every PGN has a curly bracket comment at the end of it, including ongoing games:
34.Qb2 Nb3 35.f4 Qe7 36.e5 {in progress} *
and draws:
17.Ne2 Re8 18.Qd4 {draw accepted} 1/2-1/2
therefore they speek for themselves.
Daniel Parmet (2013-05-15 15:09:03)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Eros,
What is the most number of games you played at once? Is there a number of games you feel maximizes your ability (IE does not spread your concentration too thin)?
Eros Riccio (2013-05-15 15:29:16)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Hi Daniel,
in the past I have been playing something like 100 games at the same time. That was my maximum, and I really felt some pressure with that quantity of games, and I also felt that my overall play was reduced quite a lot. Anyway that happened when I still had a low ICCF rating, so playing many games back then was a good idea in order to raise my elo quickly. Playing so many games now that I am over 2600 wouldn't be such a good idea anymore, as with almost every draw I would lose points (not to count the losses!) because I would likely have a higher rating than most of my opponents.
Everyone has his own limit of games, but a thing seems logical for everyone: the more you play the more your quality of play is reduced. I think I can handle up to 50 games at the same time without a big loss of quality of play, and without feeling much pressure. Above that number, things would become difficult for me. Anyway it's very possible that, as at the moment I am only playing 16 games, (all for iccf) even playing (only) 30 games would give me some pressure. I am getting old :-)
Attila Ba (2013-05-15 17:41:52)
Deep analysis - can it be improved?
The idea behind deep analysis is to store engine evaluations of chess positions in a permanent way and build an analysis tree out of them. Deep analysis is an improvement over simple engine analysis in two ways:
1) Permanent storage of analysis results makes them reusable. You don't have to analyse the same position from scratch over and over again (which is a waste of valuable CPU resources) rather you can build and improve upon your earlier results.
2) The search is configurable. You have control over which positions are examined and in what way. This gives you freedom to tailor the analyis to your own needs not having to rely on the defaults provided by your engine.
This idea is presented in a revolutionary way in the Deep Rybka Aquarium GUI. However using this framework I have encountered some problems. The lesser one and non lethal one is that draws by repetition are not handled correctly. This is for a reason: moves in the transposition table should be valued in an absolute way (regardless of the line which lead to them) in order to preserve the integrity of the tree. Since Aquarium has no means to incorporate lines, it simply ignores them
My other problem is that though the search is configurable I'm not absolutely certain about what is going on. It is not entirely clear to me exactly which nodes are selected for analysis.
These problems made me to try to come up with a deep analyis program of my own. After several failed attempts finally I have on my hand a solution which is not only capable of performing deep analysis but overcomes some of the difficulties of Interactive Deep Analyis (IDeA) provided by the Aquarium framework.
First I introduced a mechanism that can handle repetitions. In order to achieve this I attribute not one but two scores to each move and re-define the concept of root position already present in IdeA. The first score which I call 'idea' score is the same as presented in IdeA. The second is what I call 'alpha' score is calculated by minimaxing the tree from the root position taking into account repetitions.
Consider the following game:
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ng1 Nf8
The value of move 2. ... Nf8 at depth 18 by Houdini 3.0 is -19 centipawns. So the idea score of this move at depth 0 should be -19. Yet 2. ... Nf8 repeats the starting position. Therefore its alpha score with respect to a root equaling the starting position should be 0 centipawn which is exactly what my program calculates for it. ( For the sake of simplicity I don't require threefold repetition, since you would never allow your opponent to repeat a position if you have better ideas. )
So when my programs lists the tree it will present both scores for every move (which in most of the cases are equal of course - therefore this is mostly an aesthetic improvement rather than being a substantial one).
The improvement which I'm most interested in is that having full control of node selection now I have freedom to shape the tree search.
In order to keeps things simple I have only three parameters characterising the search:
1) engine depth
2) move distance (centipawns)
3) search depth
Engine depth means a fixed depth at which each move is analyzed. After long experimenting I have arrived at depth 18 as a good default for Houdini 3.0.
Move distance is a tolerance up to which moves are allowed into the analyis. For each position first the best move is determined. The search for alternative moves is continued until a move is found that has a valuation less than the valuation of the best move by 'move distance' centipawns (it is this 'distance' away from being the best move). The tree is then expanded for moves within 'move distance'.
To compensate for exponential growth of analyzed nodes I use a simple technique: at each ply after ply 1 the move distance is halved. So if the move distance at ply 0 and ply 1 is 20 centipawns, it will be 10 centipawns for ply 2, 5 centipawns for ply 3 and so on. This means that at greater depth less and less moves are allowed per position. So the analysis with greater depth slowly evolves into 'autoplay' rather than 'tree search'.
The other method to reduce exponential growth is the well known beta cut provided by alphabeta search. In order that all candidate moves in the root position and all candidate responses to them get proper values, I only allow beta cuts with ply 2 and deeper.
Once an alphabeta search of certain depth is carried out, the whole tree is mimimaxed out for the root. Now the initial evaluations of the root moves may change. This may make moves which initially fall out of the 'move distance' to become viable. So the search has to be repeated for those moves as well. This has to be done at every ply level.
My iterative search at a certain depth only ends when no new nodes are added by the alphabeta search (the tree is 'settled' for this depth). Only then the program is allowed to deepen the search (this I call 'refined' search).
With engine depth of 18 and move distance of 10 centipawns an average position can be analyzed to depth 10 within a matter of hours. This means a couple of hundred (possibly a couple of thousand) positions are analyzed to depth 18. Depth 10 deep analyis means an ultimate depth of 28 if you take into account that the engine depth is 18.
Whether this method has added ELO value over simple engine search is yet to be tested.
Eros Riccio (2013-05-15 18:09:28)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
I started playing corr. chess in 2000 and I (should, but maybe I lost a few games) have played 780 games. Most of them were draws (447). I lost 10 games as White and 13 as Black. My latest defeat as White was in 2005 against Gino Figlio, many of you know him as he plays here too, while as Black my latest defeat was in 2009 on this server against Alberto Gueci.
How I felt when I lost? I forgot! That happened too long ago ;-P
Mladen Jankovic (2013-05-16 08:33:48)
PGN notation for forfeit, loss on time
There is no such notation in the standard. The standard specifies that a checkmate move should end with '#', instead of '+', as is standard here for other reasons. So if someone wins without checkmating it would be easy to understand what hapened.
You have another problem, any draw would, due to the mechanics of the site, be a draw accepted, as the server does not track 3-fold repetition and such (I might be mistaken).
You have another problem, as the moves are contained in a single line, while the standard specifies 255 character maximum (including newline), and recommends 80 character maximum, for compatibility with older software.
While I have not encountered any problems with that, and nobody so far complained, it still is a break from the standard.
The best place to look for how PGN should work is the standard itself: http://www6.chessclub.com/help/PGN-spec
Thibault de Vassal (2013-05-19 20:59:05)
PGN notation for draw offers
Actually I have some regrets not to have stored all times for moves and so on. Quite too late now, I hope it's not so important at the end.
Jeroen Van Assche (2013-05-21 22:16:19)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Garvin, to the far right of the address bar, maybe a shield is displayed. Click on it and then click Load unsave script.
To Eros, congrats again. I definitely need to improve my opening play if I ever want to beat you.
Robert Knighton (2013-05-26 18:03:03)
Playing activity top 20 players
maybe they dont want regular running games to deal with when major tournaments come around?
When starting a game means a potentially multi month commitment then I can understand why top players would just save their effort for major tournaments to maximize their concentration on those games.
Garvin Gray (2013-06-04 14:56:48)
Wch cycles possible changes?
With some discussion once occurring about the format of the Ficgs wch, time for a new thread with a different slant.
Some posters have given their opinions on pros/cons of the wch cycle and changes they would like to see happen.
Most though are not incorporated because Thibault is against them, or thinks they will not work.
So time for a new question so it might be possible to get some changes or refinements.
Thibault, on what items in regards to the wch would you be willing to see some changes, or at least incorporate well thought out proposals from the members?
This could at least lead the discussion on where to head for a discussion on these matters.
Because quite frankly if Thibault does not agree with your proposal, it will not happen.
If someone wants to know my opinion on this whole matter. Feel free to ask and I will post in a later post, or possibly a whole new thread as I do have quite a bit to say. Be warned, some may not like it ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2013-06-05 00:06:55)
Wch cycles possible changes?
Hi Garvin!
Some changes have been made for the chess WCH, about 1 year and a half ago, complicating the rules but not so bad IMO.
I'm not against changes but I'm definitely for coherence... as you know, I think that there is no point changing FICGS WCH going to another round-robin one, just an example. It would kill the original scheme & previous championships value just like FIDE killed its own scheme. I gave my opinion on this when launching the very first championship. Also, I'm quite convinced that constant changes always become bad and hide another problem.
I'm still favourable to create the FICGS CUP with another scheme though! But conditions are not fulfilled... we have no new players enough, numbers are very bad these times. FICGS major problem is here... solving it and most changes proposals become useless.
Anyway, do not think that I will have the last word here for ever, that won't be the case... I only hope that the best decisions will be made for the site.
Robert Knighton (2013-06-05 20:16:22)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
If you
1. Prevent people from logging in and viewing their games while on vacation then they cant use vacation time to analyze changes in their games. This may not stop vacation abuse but it would make it less convenient.
2. Garvin Gray said "Instead of changing the minimum days for vacation ... how about there is a maximum cap for the number of times a person can take vacation"
I like this suggestion better than all others i read here.
So limit vacation to 45 days to be split as chosen by users into a maximum of maybe 20 blocks? So you could take 1 day or 5 but you cant take 1 day at a time 45 times. I suspect that 99.99% of legitimate vacation needs would not be negatively impacted by this sort of system.
I know this is a couple months old now.. just catching up. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2013-06-06 10:21:21)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Hello Robert,
The 20 blocks proposal is very near the 2 days minimum one (I was quite favourable to this change), the real problem is that it complicates the rules and obviously many players were against it.
But late is always better than nothing :)
Michael Aigner (2013-06-06 11:45:47)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Hello everybody,
I read the whole thread and in my opinion it is not clear what we are discussing about. The trigger for the discussion was some kind of abuse of the existing rules but I, and I guess some others too, got no idea what the problem is.
Could someone please describe how the existing rules can be used in an unfair way. Before that happened we will run in circels.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-06 14:47:11)
Playing activity top 20 players
I know I don't count as one of these "higher rated players." But I have purposefully curtailed my activity here in favor of ICCF. The reason for my decision is because all the rules here are slanted against preventing a person from playing stronger players. The WCH is a perfect example; 2200's are given a free ride to the next stage while a 2150 has to play stage 1 as top seed where he will lose 35 points while WINNING the stage. So never having the opportunity to improve anymore here has forced me to find places where I can achieve that goal.
Robert Knighton (2013-06-06 22:58:06)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
@Thibault: a 2 day minimum is bad because what if I only need 1 day this time? I must lose 2. Maybe I need 1 day only 5 seperate times and I need 40 days straight around christmas/new years.
this scenario my/Garvin's suggestion works (20 blocks split however) and yours leaves me with only 30 days for christmas/new years; just as an example.
I dont think this is complex at all.
You may take vacation up to 20 more times this year.
You have a total of 45 days of vacation you may use.
20/45
No more complex than a chess clock ;)
@Michael: I think the specific complaints were probably sent privately but I can use my imagination to come up with some possibility.
Lets say you're playing a difficult opponent in a close game in some major tournament maybe.
In order to get a time advantage your opponent goes into vacation mode immediately after you make your moves.
While in vacation mode he can still view and analyze the game without running down his clock which effectively gives him 45 extra days of clock time. This can be a significant advantage (more time = more analysis)
People can argue that it works both ways but what if the victim in this story has used his/her vacation for legitimate reasons?
Maybe the person exploiting this technique only plays a few tournaments a year to make sure he has that 45 extra days if he runs into a hard game?
As for how to solve this issue... well that is the topic of the discussion. How to prevent vacation abuse without hurting legitimate vacation needs.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-07 01:07:26)
Playing activity top 20 players
Thib, I already went from a 2100 rating to a 2372 rating (and my rating is still CLIMBING FAST) with to SIM norm events on ICCF in a mere 32 games. While I have played over 200 games on FICGS and have yet to have a SINGLE opportunity to play a strong tournament. My strength grows but my rating does not grow because this site has gone out of its way to establish rating barriers. Why should I push myself to unbelievable lengths to try to break this site's barriers when I have another site that will happily let me play players of my own strength or slightly stronger without any such herculean effort?
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-07 01:08:56)
Playing activity top 20 players
sorry should say I have played two SIM events (1 of which I should score +5 or +6...)
And I was just using the WCH as an example of one of the rating barriers, there are plenty of rating barriers here.
Garvin Gray (2013-06-08 04:30:30)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I think Robert Knighton has explained one of the issues regarding this issue very well. In that a player can use the vacation time to gain a time advantage, and another player who had to take vacation legitimately ie this would normally involve taking a few days to 14 days with no game analysis.
The legit vacationer gains no advantage from having taken vacation time, except they avoided timing out, which is of benefit to everyone in the long run.
The second reason why the current situation is undesirable is that it encourages players to not get on with their games. They can run their clocks down to almost zero, knowing they can use an unlimited amount of 1 day vacations to save their games. Playing inside the allocated time controls is part of the game.
Vacation time is for a reason and is not there to be abused to allow players to avoid timing out.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-08 17:41:10)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
That is if one believes that is an abuse of vacation... I do not. Both players started with the same amount of vacation time and employed it for uses and different times. I think that is the whole idea behind vacation. For some people, vacation is finding a beach to lay on. For others, vacation would be freeing their normal hectic 16 hour that involves 1 hour of corr analysis and turning that day into a 17 hour corr analysis pound house.
Robert Knighton (2013-06-08 22:37:01)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
@Daniel: The problem with your way of thinking is that it encourages me to play as few games on this site as possible so I can always be able to use my vacation time in that way.
Also if I have real vacation coming up in a few months I wont start new games because I dont have vacation time now to cover it.
end result being less games played on the site because vacation time is easy to abuse?
Even without hard rules being put in place, my opinion would be that using vacation time to get an edge in your games is poor conduct but I don't see how there is any way to completely stop the behavior. Limiting the convenience of it is about the best that could be done.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-08 23:26:11)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Unfortunately there isn't a problem with my way of thinking. It is simply whether or not you consider your point of view to be an abuse of vacation and the simple fact is I do not agree with you in the slightest. So what we have here is a difference of opinion. I believe you are creating a problem where there is none.
Robert Knighton (2013-06-08 23:57:02)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
I'm not creating a problem. I'm agreeing with a point of view already expressed by others on this forum and trying to clarify that point of view as I understand it.
Also, unless we are discussing the rules of mathematics for example, then pretty much all rules that exist are someone's opinion of how things should be right?
So what I understand you to be saying is that you want to be able to use vacation time to buy more time for your games and you believe this is acceptable behavior even if it gives you an advantage over other players who use their vacation time to go on vacation. It isn't called "performance boost time" or "buy a way out of a difficult position time"; it's called vacation time.
I think the topic here was started because there are a lot of people who disagree with you and believe vacation time is not intended to be used to buy an advantage against your more challenging opponents.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-09 00:31:35)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Ah, I understand now. Because someone doesn't agree with you - you must put obscene words in their mouth to describe their untenable position. Everything you just said is COMPLETE horseshit. The fact that someone has a different point of view from you is what reality is.
I have yet to hear of a single example of vacation abuse and I am now coming to the understanding that there isn't a way to abuse vacation. Thank you for the enlightenment.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-06-09 01:40:04)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
Well, I don't see the point anymore here... please let's talk about this (minor) point of the rules only, I wouldn't like to have to close this discussion.
As Daniel says, there is a question of definition of what vacation is or should be. And both opinions are ok for me, so there is no point to discuss it between the two sides, we can only wait for more opinions at the moment IMHO.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-06-09 01:46:15)
Playing activity top 20 players
I guess there are more strong players at ICCF to build rapid tournaments with more rating ranges, sorry for not being able to do that here :/
Finally, many players got a 2400 rating while starting at 1800 or even less... so maybe than playing a few games at standard time control would have brought you faster results than playing 200 games at rapid time control.
Sorry about that in all cases.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-09 01:53:58)
Playing activity top 20 players
Please Thib, I do not point out these problems to complain or make you feel bad. I just want you to know where you can improve. I also want you to know you've done an amazing job here and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. If you need volunteer time/help, I will be one of the first to come forward to aid you. None of these comments are made as an attack on you, I want you to know I appreciate what you have done.
Regarding rapid/classical time controls, I did not care which I played. The fact that I ended up playing more rapid than classical has to do with the fact I always chose the HARDER option available to me in terms of opponent strength. Since you alternate the rating bands via rapid vs classical - that usually meant only one time control was available to me.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-10 06:20:38)
Playing activity top 20 players
Well part of the problem is I don't see where it says I have these "tickets" to move up. I knew of the rule but had no awareness if I had ever actually won one to use.
The other part of the problem is the rating bands. By alternating rating bands between time controls, all the people over 2100 want to play 2100-2300 all the people over 2000 want to play 2000-2200 all the people over 2200 want to play only 2200-2400 or norm events. So effectively instead of 200 point bands you've create ONE HUNDRED point bands. The 2100-2300 band see only those rated 2100-2200.
Robert Knighton (2013-06-10 14:57:48)
Playing activity top 20 players
I admit that makes no sense to me either... why do we have different rating bands for different time controls?
Thibault de Vassal (2013-06-10 22:25:14)
Playing activity top 20 players
If I remember well, that was a request to help players to reach the next rating band (200 points is a lot when most players who enter waiting lists are near the low limit).
Anyway, now I cannot find any argument to have the same rating ranges for rapid and standard tournaments (maybe "coherence" only).
Don Groves (2013-06-11 06:09:20)
Playing activity top 20 players
To whom is may concern:
There is no one set of rules that will be acceptable to everyone. There are many game sites on the Internet, so pick one that comes closest to your desired set of rules and be satisfied. That is as close as you will ever get.
Either that or form your own site and discover what Thibault knows far too well - that you will get more complaints than compliments.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-11 06:20:32)
Playing activity top 20 players
Don
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As stated by both Garvin and I many many times, we are not trying to "file complaints" ... we are trying to make THIS site better.
Michael Aigner (2013-06-11 13:25:26)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
In my opinion there is no need to change the rules. As far as I understood some people see the normal use of vacation which is defined by the rules as abuse which in itself is a contradiction. Anybody (could) know the rules before starting a game.
I understand that it is kind of a little disadvantage when some people have to use their vacation for vacation or for emergencies while others use it for analyzing their games but that’s life.´
There are many other factors one could consider as unfair e.g. faster hardware, no family to care of, retiree, students versus people who have to work the whole day which have much more influence then this "abuse" of vacation time.
By the way, I think it is very hard to play “good” correspondence chess (in a complex position) by using just one day per move, so I am not unhappy if my opponent have to take one day of vacation to have the time to decide for a move to make.
Philip Roe (2013-06-11 14:08:13)
Vacation: change for 3 days minimum?
There are players, who I could name, who always run their clocks very low and use vacation a day or two at a time to avoid loss. I have absolutely no idea why they do that. They gain no advantage, and in fact frequently lose on time. In consequence they are greatly underrated. Paired against one of them, you may in fact lose (against a low-rated player) or gain an unsatisfying forfeit. This behavior is legitimate under the current rules but extremely irritating.
It is true that all rules can be abused, but it is not unreasonable to set up rules so that abuse is less likely.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-15 04:38:44)
Playing activity top 20 players
Typical trash response there Don.
I have *already* moved on to ICCF because it fit MY NEEDS. Did you even read this thread? This thread was something Garvin started to make players more active. I responded as player who chose to become INACTIVE to explain that decision. If this site does not change one bit, then fine by me... I have already discovered a site that fulfills my needs. On the other hand, if this site wants to IMPROVE - I want Thib to know I will come support him.
Don Groves (2013-06-15 06:27:50)
Playing activity top 20 players
Not trash, Daniel, just simple logic. Do you deny that "better" is an opinion? Do you really think Thibault needs your help to improve his site? He did very well before you ever started playing here and I'm sure he can continue just fine without you.
Daniel Parmet (2013-06-15 16:39:29)
Playing activity top 20 players
Well Don the good news for you is that today my last game officially finished and now I have no reason to connect to this site again! Congratulations Don!
The bad news is that even though I am gone this event in no way improves your lack of logic skills. You will have to improve these yourself.
I know quite well Thib does not *need my help.* And I outlined above my thanks for the amazing job he has done with this place. I merely said if he could use my help that it was at his disposal.
Scott Nichols (2013-06-18 20:44:03)
Playing activity top 20 players
I have a couple of thoughts. First is ICCF is not better for me than anywhere. The games just take too long. More to Daniels taste for sure. To help this site out, I will say it again, there needs to be at least one fast playing category. Like 10 days, with 1 day increment. This time control is very popular at other sites. Blitz CC is the wave of the future, even in OTB they don't play that slow chess anymore. Another idea is large cash prizes, :), to draw in the big guns. People are willing to pay more to get more. A couple of small things you could do Thib is offer a 2 e-point prize for most active player in a rating cycle and one for the player who improved the most in that same cycle for all 3 categories, chess, go and poker. Just some ideas...
Robert Knighton (2013-06-19 02:22:03)
Playing activity top 20 players
I found iccf website to be mildly confusing to navigate and the inability to play games without paying money on iccf is annoying as well thus I don't play there.
The ability to play faster time controls like Scott suggested would be nice particularly if there were a 1v1 option like what we have for advanced games now.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-06-21 19:48:27)
Playing activity top 20 players
@ Alvin: you mean Iccf events?! what are Fide rapid events if not games played in less than 1 day?
@ Robert: for 1v1 we have rapid silver tournaments, but there is a stake of 10 epoints (or it would be unrated for obvious reasons).
@ Scott: 10 days + 1 day/move does not seem very different from 30 days + 1 day/move, I doubt it can bring more players. Standard time control remain even more popular here. On large cash prizes, I agree for sure :) ...
Robert Knighton (2013-06-24 14:53:02)
Anyone play Semi Slav Botvinnik as black
it's too bad there is no way to play 1v1 unrated games at CC time controls on this site. I would gladly play a couple games like this on the side if there were.
Robert Knighton (2013-06-24 14:59:21)
Playing activity top 20 players
20 days removed is a lot of time.
A tournament class which disallows vacation time would in itself be interesting.
combining the two would make for a very different tournament class.
Sebastian Boehme (2013-06-25 03:01:04)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Eros, do you sometimes still use your old dual core for analysis? ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2013-07-02 19:29:35)
Wch cycles possible changes?
I chose the TER so that every player know what result to achieve in a tournament... with the current rating, the result of a match or tournament may change if a player uses the dead man defence. It would be quite terrible IMO :/
Robert Knighton (2013-07-03 19:02:38)
Wch cycles possible changes?
TER is the only fair way to decide other than tie breaker matches (time consuming) or pushing forward to the next round every player with the same score.
I can see where TER could be frustrating though.
If PlayerA TER 2049 and PlayerB TER 2050 both score 5.5/6 in round 1 then this does seem fairly unjust for player A because playerB only had to fight for a draw to win the round where PlayerA must get a win.
this gives PlayerB a strong advantage over a measly 1 elo.
1 elo also says nothing meaningful about which of the two players has a better chance in the tournament.
Factors such as number of games played or percentage of loss on time would be far better indicators than a single ELO point.
Garvin Gray (2013-07-04 14:17:57)
Wch cycles possible changes?
Robert, this would especially be the case if in the time between the start of the event and the start of the next stage that Player B was over 100 points higher than Player A, which can happen when it can take a year to start the next qualifying stage.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-07-15 14:16:39)
Interview with new FICGS Go champion
Yen-Wei Huang, winner of the 8th FICGS Go championship, kindly accepted to answer a few questions for this very interesting interview!
_______________________
- Hello Yen-Wei and congratulations for winning the FICGS Go championship! Xiao Tong was obviously a tough opponent, yet you won 5-0, what happened
during this match?
Hi Thib. Thanks again for your kind invitation. Xiao is definitely one
of the strongest Go players on FICGS, and I was really, really lucky
to have won all five games. In fact, I was behind in three of them
until Xiao made some mistakes late in the games: in game 69092, I
forced a tough ko fight which jeopardized my lower group. Xiao made a
mistake at P2 as he missed my T3 could force another ko. Game 69093
was very close towards the end but I think the move at C13 caused him
the game. Game 69096 was even closer that I won by half a point thanks
to the big 7.5 komi. The other two games were not easy either and I am
glad I could have hung on to the lead. Overall I really enjoyed our
match and I would love to have a rematch with Xiao in the future.
- You're from Taiwan, could you tell us a bit more about you? At what age
did you learn Go? Do you have any other ranks (e.g. at other sites)?
I learned Go when I was 5 and I have always enjoyed playing all my
life. I used to play on servers like KGS and Tygem and I was around
6-7 dan on these sites. Recently I don't have that much time to play
so that's why turned to turn-based server like FICGS.
- What do you think about the world of Go these days? Who is the very best
player in the world according to you?
I think the past two years were the "warring period" in the world of
Go. I would say Lee Sedol was the best player two years ago, but he
seems to have lost his dominant position recently. There are many
rising stars that are winning the world champions. I am especially
keeping an eye on Yuta Iyama, who I think is No. 1 in Japan and has
started to threaten the dominance of Chinese and Korean players.
- What about computer Go and its future? How many years do you give to the human before losing to the machine?
As a software engineer I foresee the computer Go beats the world's No.
1 player in two decades. Crazy Stone already beat Yoshio Ishida with
four handicap stones earlier this year, and I believe it wouldn't take
long for computers to beat pros in two handicap stones. The real
challenge will come when computers need to go from handicap games to
even games since they need to advance from defensive mode to attack
mode. I am really excited to see how Artificial Intelligence can
surprise us with its "creative" moves when the time comes.
- Do you use engines or databases? What advice would you give to beginners (and to your future challengers :))?
I know there are many useful Go engines and databases that are being developed these days, unfortunately I don't really know much about
them. I do use http://ps.waltheri.net/ if I need to look something up,
and I go to http://tom.com for commented games (they're in Chinese,
nonetheless). Advice to beginners: just go to any search engine and
you can easily find all the free resources you want. Advice to my
future challengers: just try the new variations since I know none of
them :)
- What new features would you like to see at FICGS?
Firstly I'd like to thank Thib for maintaining such a wonderful site.
I enjoy playing Go and Poker here and maybe I'll start playing Chess
sometime (I really suck so I'm not ready to embarrass myself yet). The
ability to play different games is what makes FICGS unique. As Thib
mentioned earlier, we need much more players, and I think FICGS simply
needs to host much more tournaments, probably some with shorter time
settings. With more games and more player engagement, more people will
stick around. Another feature I'd really like to see is FICGS client for
cellphones/tablets. The main advantage of turn-based servers is that
it allows people to play wherever for whatever period of time: a 1-min
ride in the elevator, a 10-min wait at the bus stop, or a couple of
hours at home. If playing on FICGS is made easier, I know I will be
more addicted to it :)
- Thank you very much and good luck in the next final match...
Thanks! And please go easy on our Poker match...
Yen-Wei Huang (2013-07-16 05:01:18)
Interview with new FICGS Go champion
I doubt it. Since the 23x23 goban can be a very different game that no humans are familiar with, I believe by the time computers catch up with humans in 19x19, they can beat humans in 23x23 as well.
Ger Hanssen (2013-07-17 20:48:24)
A player goes on inviting me
A player called Ortiz keeps inviting me for a game of chess, and I don't want to play any chess.
I sent him a message, but he goes on. This is really annoying. What do I do?
Robert Knighton (2013-07-18 06:32:23)
A player goes on inviting me
Also I don't think it's intentional. I think when they join the waiting list for advanced games it automatically challenges all available players at the same time.
He is not trying to annoy you :)
Attila Ba (2013-07-18 10:12:31)
Looking for big chess partners
Looking for big chess partners
I like very much the idea presented by this site of chess played on a bigger than normal board. Since Chess960 destroys theory but does not destroy engines (playing Chess960 for an engine is easy as pie) the only anti-engine way is to go for bigger board sizes. In this way you can measure your true correspondence chess skills independent of engines (on one hand no professional would go and write an engine for a game that is played by very few, on the other hand the number of possibilities soon grow out of hand on bigger boards making the tree search very difficult).
Out of my 18 big chess games on this site I have won 17 and lost 1 making it my most succesful type of game here. But with low player turnouts I simply can't get a tournament running (for half a year or so).
In order to have the possibility to play I have created a site solely for the purpose of playing rated big chess games on a single game basis with wide choice of timers and board sizes.
If anyone is interested please come to baatti.com and let's play big chess.
Ilmars Cirulis (2013-07-29 10:17:42)
Thematic tournaments?
"... Latvian and (my favourite) Evans as a suggestion for future unrated tournaments." (Charlie Neil)
If you want to experimentally verify that Latvian gambit is unsound then why not? :P
Also I like suggestion of Evans gambit. (giggle)
Thibault de Vassal (2013-07-30 23:31:51)
Next WCH Stage start
Hi all, unfortunately there was no spots available for all players in the replacements list (who registered after july 1st)... Joerg now plays but Scott doesn't. Moreover, no new groups can be built this time. The good point is that we did not have many forfeits.
Ilmars Cirulis (2013-07-31 12:41:09)
Thematic tournaments?
Mladen Jankovic (2013-07-31 19:14:38)
Thematic tournaments?
I encountered it playing here, the interesting part is that it enables the black king to go on the attack early.
I've played it in game 2032, where I withdrew my king from the center even though pressing on did not seem impossible.
https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=2032
Ilmars Cirulis (2013-08-01 17:00:15)
Gossip about Evans gambit
So about the thematic tournament:
with black I am going to play 4... Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 and hope to get to this position/variation:
With white I plan to play or check my skill/luck against other retreats of bishop from b4.
Scott Nichols (2013-08-02 20:54:08)
Next WCH Stage start
That's fine Thib, I entered late. Please take my name off the list so I don't have to worry about it.
On another subject, but still Wch. I saw in the round robin final that Kamesh was entered. I don't think he has played a game on here in about 2 years. He made it clear to all of us that he was quitting online chess because of his 2 new kids. My point is this, the final RR just takes too long to reach. My suggestion: Have a single qualifying swiss tournament. The top eight players then can have a final RR to determine the winner. Have an entry fee, this will eliminate Most of the looky-loos and forfeits. I think quality, not quantity is more important.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-08-06 00:42:13)
Next WCH Stage start
Yes, there will be a replacement for Kamesh very soon!
How do you organize swiss tournaments at correspondence time controls?
Well, the original idea was to give a chance to everyone (including to climb the elo scale)...
Garvin Gray (2013-08-06 17:51:39)
Next WCH Stage start
It is not a reasonable proposition to organise a swiss event with a time control of 30 days plus 1 day increment.
As the second round can not start until the last game of the first round is finished, it is almost certain that we would be playing one round per year :o
Scott Nichols (2013-08-07 21:21:54)
Next WCH Stage start
It could be done easy, just like wbccc. Get rid of the increments and limit games to 25 days which is more than enough. But as the saying goes, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." Thib is hardly ever here since he started that other project, but it doesn't matter. This site just kind of runs itself. I doubt if it will grow though, what you see is what you get.
Rolf Staggat (2013-08-13 15:11:11)
tournament finished but no leader
Thibault trägt die Sieger manuell ein. Er kann halt nicht ständig alle Gruppen im Blick haben.
Wait a minute !
Garvin Gray (2013-08-31 09:27:36)
New my games feature requested
I would like to see an additional heading item added to the my games page.
Currently I have a heap of games going. Some of them are class time control and some are rapid time control.
I think it would improve the site and make 'things' much easier if in the space between each tournament games, a new heading was added telling you either:
1) The actual name of the tournament those particular games belong to
or
2) Just a listing of class or rapid.
Because currently a game says 10 days remaining, but 10 days and 8 moves to the time control in a class event is different to having 10 days remaining in a rapid.
This would then make it easier to prioritise games.
Bogoljub Teverovski (2013-10-05 00:38:01)
Tablebases and no-engines tournaments
To reproduce otb conditions and to tell them from correspondence (analytical!) chess is not possible with the time controls in days. The key difference is thinking in mind instead of pushing pieces during analysis.
Scott Nichols (2013-10-08 16:52:38)
Best Freestyle Site
This site is still IMHO the best site for Freestyle. The interface is easy to understand and everything is clear, that's important to any site.
That's why I don't understand why the traffic has dwindled so. I'm sure we could come up with something to increase the Freestyle on here.
I'll start with my idea, :) Have a monthly Freestyle OPEN tournament. The only requirent is a 2 E-point entry fee. The winner gets 90%, FICGS gets 10%. The time controls would have to be bullet, 5 min with 15 second increment. If 8 players or less, it could be a round robin. 9 players or more, even up to a hundred!, would play a swiss style. Make it unrated so anybody could join. Have it on the first Sat. of the month. It would have to start at least by 1800 server time to get all the rounds in in ONE DAY.
Garvin Gray (2013-10-09 16:38:34)
Best Freestyle Site
One change for freestyle chess would be option to choose time control.
Peter W. Anderson (2013-10-10 09:58:08)
Best Freestyle Site
One thing that might help generate traffic for both freestyle and normal time limits is a Wiki entry for FICGS with a few links from other Wiki articles.
Any reason why FICGS does not have one?
Bogoljub Teverovski (2013-10-18 12:07:02)
Communism
As history of XX century tells us, the classless society in reality is just impossible. I was living in the communist country the most part of my life, and I know very well that society with its own classes. Go to North Korea or Cuba if you like communism.
Bogoljub Teverovski (2013-10-18 12:08:10)
Kasparov candidate for FIDE president
Garry has a chance. My estimation is 50/50.
Garvin Gray (2013-10-20 12:50:19)
Entry fee for higher class tournament
Was attempting to find the thread on allowing players to enter the next section up by winning the lower section.
Time for a review of this practice I think now that it has been going for a year or so.
I think it has had some benefits, I certainly have benefited from it ie have helped moved me up the rating list faster than otherwise would have occurred, I have noticed a couple of large issues.
In some groups, the waiting lists are taking much longer to form when two players from a lower rating group have entered early.
For instance a 2300+ group can be showing players with ratings of 2150 or so. This is possible when two players buy their ticket after winning a lower division and then their rating drops. This situation has occurred.
From then on for that group to form, it requires another 5 2300 players to join the group. That is a long and tedious process.
I think the rules on the upgrade ticket process need to be re-written to as follows:
A player, who has won the lower division, can only use the higher division ticket, once five or more places have been filled in that group.
The purpose of this rule change should hopefully show to keep 'strong' players that if they get in quick they can get a group going full of players of the ratings they want.
The market can then choose by entering quickly and watching the rating lists.
With the current situation of difficulty getting divisions started due to the number of wch groups started at the same time, some changes are required.
I think this rule is one area that needs to be reviewed urgently.
Dmitri Mamrukov (2013-10-22 21:16:49)
Kasparov candidate for FIDE president
Evgeny Bareev: Subjective speculations on the strange Kasparov-Karpov tandem
http://www.onefide.com/2010/05/28/kasparov-and-karpov-are-playing-another-game-this-time-a-political-one-by-igm-evgeny-bareev/
Dmitri Mamrukov (2013-10-22 23:42:15)
Kievan Rus
Very likely? Yeah, to "democratic" and "objective" Western historians who re-write and falsify everything. :) I wish the above link was in English...
It's the eternal struggle of the "sea civilization" with "land civilization" (Mackinder's Heartland Theory).
"Moscow and Peter's town, the city of Constantine, these are the cherished capitals of the Russian monarchy. But where is their limit? And where are their frontiers to the north, the east, the south and the setting sun? The Fates will reveal them to future generations. Seven internal seas and seven great rivers from the Nile to the Neva, from the Elbe to China, from the Volga to the Euphrates, the Ganges to the Danube. This is the Russian empire and it will never pass away, just as the Spirit foretold and Daniel prophesied." - Fedor Tyuchev 1848
Eduardo Alex Baeza Ibanez (2013-10-23 17:57:33)
Saludos desde Chile
Saludos a los fanaticos del ajedrez, soy uno de ellos y prueba de ello es que me he inscrito en cuanto servidor gratuito hay. Este servidor es nuevo para estoy a en una lista de espera imagino que en algun momento se completaran los cupos y comenzara los partidos, alguien que me aclare?.
Greetings to the chess fans, I am one of them and the proof is that I have enrolled as free server there. This server is new to'm on a waiting list at some point I imagine that quotas were completed and the parties began, someone enlighten me?
Stephane Legrand (2013-10-27 10:55:40)
FICGS poker ratings
I experiment what Scott says at 2012-03-04 22:48:24 many times... see for instance game 72996 ...
Thibault de Vassal (2013-11-06 20:03:54)
About the players
Hello Eduardo, you can play bullet/lightning games by challenging a player in the "My games" page. It is advised to contact him before challenging him...
Eduardo Alex Baeza Ibanez (2013-11-06 20:21:23)
FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__00
i need some help!!, i was confused, and don't read very well, and then i accept to invitations to play big chess, how can i cancel this? because i don't have time to play a so long game like this, sorry about that, was my mistake.
the name of this tournament is FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__00
Thibault de Vassal (2013-11-13 23:24:28)
FICGS__BIG_CHESS__TOURNAMENT__00
That's not possible... it happens sometimes, you just have to resign these games.
Peter W. Anderson (2013-11-21 18:38:54)
World chess championship Anand / Carlsen
Yes, looks familiar Thib. Interesting choice indeed. Carlsen played really solidly in game 8 and then this sharp line in game 9.
By the way, I wasn't really convinced about Ra2. I know the idea - swing it over to e2 or f2 but in the lines I looked at it never got there without a lot of simplications first.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-11-22 22:57:53)
World chess championship Anand / Carlsen
Congratulations to Magnus Carlsen for this impressive victory on V. Anand!
http://en.chessbase.com/post/chennai-final-magnus-victorious
Garvin Gray (2013-12-05 01:44:30)
WBCCC 2014 Entries Open
Entries for WBCCC 2014 are now open at www.rybkaforum.net.
For those not aware of our event, quite a few of the players here can speak about their experiences in the event, but as organiser I can say that many of the regular players have gotten a lot out of their participation, have improved their play and a lot has been learnt about freestyle correspondence chess in the three years that this event has been running.
Prize money is offered, but how much is determined by players and others willingness to sponsor.
Feel free to contact me by replying to this message, sending me a pm at rybka forum or private message here. A private message here is the least reliable.
Full tournament rules:
1) Tournament will be single round robin, meaning every person will play each other once.
2) A players seed position will be determined by their order of entry. The earlier you enter, the higher your number. The first person to enter will receive number 1. The seed position determines which number a player is in the round robin.
3) Entries open December 1 2013
4) Entries close January 6 2014
5) Play begins January 13 2014
6) Each round will be paired at the start of the event, with the pairings for the entire year published at the start.
7) Each round will have a maximum of four games, most likely two games (just like 2011, 2012 and 2013). The number of games will always be kept to a bare minimum
8) There will be a maximum of six paired rounds.
9) The minimum time control will be 30 days plus 1 hour per move. If the number of games per round needs to increase from 2 to 3 or 4, the time control will be lengthened. For instance, if we have 21 players, so needing 4 games per round to keep the number of games even and use five rounds, instead of the six rounds in 2013.
9) Pairings for future rounds are subject to change due to withdrawal of players and unforeseen circumstances.
10) If a player withdraws, or their games time out without an explanation that is accepted by the arbiter, all their games will be removed from the event. In effect they are no longer a participant in the event and no effect on the final placings.
11) There will be an official entry form that all players will be required to fill out before their entry will be accepted. This is so in case of emergency the organisers have a method of contact outside of Rybka Forum. It will include also include a person other than yourself to contact. Whilst I understand this might seem unnecessary to some, I do hope that events from 2013 (death of Salvador Signes and our inability to get in contact with the family) do show the need for better communication methods.
12) Xfccplay- Xfccplay is the official software provided for WBCCC 2014. Xfccplay is provided for the free use for participants whilst in the event. A user name and password will be provided once registered. Also download instructions will be provided by private message and these must be followed to install the program. The program is provided by chessok and is not to be passed on to anyone and is provided for the sole use of playing in WBCCC. All moves, draw offers etc in WBCCC 2014 must be played on this software.
13) New entrants will be required to play a couple of test games on xfccplay before entries close so that the arbiter is certain that all players are familiar with the software and its features. The organisers do not want to see players withdrawing after the event has begun because they find that they are unfamiliar with the software and get upset because their clock is running. Entries are open from December 1 to January 6. That is over a month to become familiar with the software. The organisers will not accept entries from players who have not tested the software.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-20 15:18:41)
WBCCC 2014 Entries Open
Entries are now at seventeen. More ficgs players wanted. If you know someone from another site who might be interested, please contact me.
1. Garvin GRAY GARVIN GRAY
2. Om PRAKASH MASTER OM
3. Scott NICHOLS SCOTT
4. George CLEMENT KEOKI010
5. Nikolaos SARAKENIDIS TRANDISM
6. Djordje KASABASIC ARMAGEDDON
7. Paul WATSON NATIONAL12
8. Matt O'BRIEN SCHACHMATT
9. Carlo ALTIERI ITACA2
10. Mark ELDRIDGE MARK ELDRIDGE
11. David EVANS DAVID EVANS
12. Neel BASANT NEELBASANT
13. Timothy COOKSON WEIRWINDLE
14. Ruben COMES RUBEN COMES
15. Erik VAREND DEKA
16. Jose SANZ PPIPPER
17. Michael GLATTHAAR DONKASAND
Garvin Gray (2013-12-22 09:17:43)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
I thought I would bring this topic up to let everyone know.
After a few years here, I have decided that it is almost certain that I will no longer be entering standard time control events on this site until the time control changes.
I find that most players in that time control just waste the time provided and are able to play faster, but choose to run their time down, and then make 8 moves in 10 days, then wait another 30 days before making another 8 moves in 10 days, or similar behaviour.
Sorry Thibault, but I have better things to do in my life than have my life wasted like this.
If you want me to return to standard time control events, change the time control.
This means I will only be playing in rapid time control events, which is a much better time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-12-23 20:59:07)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Well, as for me I still like very much this time control... It enables me not to accumulate too much stress (mainly because of periods -added to vacation- when I cannot play chess enough) while accumulating a few tournaments.
But I understand for sure your feeling! People do not play at the same rhythm, that's all and that's why we have rapid tournaments (that seem to be about as popular as standard tourneys).
Alvin Alcala (2013-12-24 01:11:27)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Agree Thib, less pressure you have with the standard events while in the rapid I most of the time feel the pressure of the fast time control. Its a matter of taste actually.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-24 07:24:52)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
The issue is not with the amount of time taken when players use a few days per each move, say 3 days on one move, 4 days on the next, 2 days on another and so forth, throughout the 10 moves for 40 days and so arrive at the end of the 10 moves with about 5 days to spare (playing it safe). That is how the time control is 'meant' to work.
No, my issue is with players who completely waste my time with behaviour that shows that they are able to move faster and can do so, but believe that is ok not to do so.
Most of us know exactly who they are and would have no problem naming them. If I had the option not to play them again, I would be comfortable doing so.
This is how they 'game' the time control. At the start of the game, they will make their first few moves in the first few days, leaving 35 or so days for 5 moves, then you will not see them for another 30 days, then they come back and make another 5 moves in 5 days (making the time control).
Then you do not see them again for another 30 days, except for maybe one or two moves, then they make 10 moves in less than 10 days (making the time control again).
And they keep repeating this behaviour for the whole game. Time period after time period.
In my period, this wastes 30 days per cycle of my life and I do hold Thibault partly responsible for it. He designs a time control that allows it to happen.
At least with the rapid time control, players who do this eventually end up having to make one move per day for the rest of the game, so they run the risk of running out of time. They show poor time management and get punished for it.
There is a simple way to stop this behaviour, change the time control.
Josef Riha (2013-12-24 09:38:06)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Hello Garvin, in unrated tournaments the same problem exists.
But another one is this: After a few moves they wait until timeout or resign also in a winning position. I found this very unrespectful and boring.
I can name this persons too.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-24 11:01:28)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Josef: I would prefer not to talk much about unrated events. In terms of priorities for players, unrated events will always be last. So they will be shuffled to the end.
So time priorities for unrated games can always be excused as they are given the least amount of time after, in rough order of importance:
WCH games
Divisions where you have a chance of a norm
Divisions where you have a chance of winning, so win a prize
Division where you can gain points.
Games where you are doing well, which is a vague criteria.
And then everything after that.
As a key supporter and one of the original creator of the standard open events, I would like to see those change to rapid time control from now on. Most of the players in those divisions rarely would need all the time that is offered.
It would also mean more cycles could move quicker.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2013-12-24 14:12:26)
FICGS poker ratings
I also have this problem with exactly one player. And I have now decided to act in the same manner against this player. If it looks as if I lose then I'm going to reply when my time is almost over.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-26 15:39:07)
FICGS World Chess Championship results
I am getting a message. Your current account (graygarvin@gmail.com) does not have access to view this page.
Click here to logout and change accounts.
Geez I find links on this site such a pain , almost all the time.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-28 02:42:08)
Ficgs World Championship 13
Been asked in the results thread, thought I would bring it across to here.
When is it going to start?
I have a secondary comment and suggestion that relates to starting time. Number 12 and the groups from 10 and 11 all started at the same time. That loaded a lot of games at the same time, which I certainly found to be a huge impost and impacted on the standard of play.
I went in one day from only having a few games, to having 10 Round Robin Final games, a second stage final plus a first stage M division all started at the same time.
All these games were started at exactly the same time. Not even a week apart from each other.
I really do wish for this upcoming cycle that the divisions do not start at the same time.
For instances, there is no reason why entries for number 13 could not be open now with the idea of starting February 1.
Then all the second stages/knockouts from previous groups could start in March, which has been commented on by Thib in the chat bar.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-12-29 18:12:25)
Ficgs World Championship 13
March 1st, 2014... 8 months after the previous one, as usual.
I understand that starting all new rounds at the same time is quite heavy but at least it is clear, including for me :)
Anyway, let's gather a few opinions on this to discuss it further.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-29 23:37:42)
Ficgs World Championship 13
Just because it is clear, does not mean it is best. As you quite often have said. This event is meant to be about finding the best player, hence quite a few of the rules which I do not agree with, but that is your justification.
So if that is the justification, then starting so many games at the same time can not help the standard of play and then hence can not help in getting through as many of the best players as possible.
Peter W. Anderson (2013-12-30 10:00:31)
Ficgs World Championship 13
I am not sure that having lots of games starting at exactly the same time is really the problem. Having lots of them running simultaneously seems to be the issue to me and I don't see how that can be avoided without slowing down the world championship cycles.
I'll recount my own recent experience. I had a cycle 12 quarter final starting 2/7/13 and a cycle 11 semi-final starting 3/7/13. That I could manage OK. Then I had a cycle 10 round robin final starting 29/7/13. This gave 26 games and I did find this quite a strain. I don't think that overall it was any better than if the round robin had started at the beginning of July. Yes I had nearly a month with only 16 games, but on the other hand some of those 16 games were reaching difficult points and requiring lots of time when I had to start the extra 10.
If the round robin final had been started in say September or October then it would have been easier for me but that seems to be introducing an unacceptable delay.
Costantino Proietti (2013-12-30 21:35:15)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Garvin, I totally agree with you. The answer is: Change the time control. In rapid tournaments too.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-31 15:46:09)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Coasantino: As I commented earlier, the rapids are not too bad. At least a player will eventually end up with 1 day per move only and so may time out. But then we get into the situation of them 'gaming' their vacation and the discussions once again around that.
It is solely to do with the standard time control.
I think the standard time control should be:
20 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days and then 15 days plus 1 day per move from move 41.
Costantino Proietti (2014-01-04 10:20:47)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
I quote again.
Garvin Gray (2014-01-04 10:34:26)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
What do you quote again? Or do you quoth the raven?
Costantino Proietti (2014-01-04 13:35:44)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
I agree with your time control proposal.
It seems a proper suggestion to prevent wasting time.
Don Groves (2014-01-24 03:51:05)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
IMHO, the answer to this problem is to not allow any player to enter a new tournament if that player still has more than X ongoing tournaments. The determination of X remains to be resolved. It needs to be low enough to eliminate players from entering a new tournament and then not making any moves until their clock runs low. This is completely unfair to the other players!
Garvin Gray (2014-01-24 06:26:31)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Don: From my experience I am not sure the issue discussed in this thread really comes from game overload, as in having committed to too many games.
In fact on this site it would be difficult to commit to too many games :o.
Of course if a person has committed themselves to too many games across a number of sites, nothing can be done about that on here with a number cap.
So for this site alone, a game cap I don't think is required. The issue is the time control.
A curiosity- in one of the games to which I am complaining about, where I believe my opponent is 'gaming' the time control, the opponent has just past the time control, but now in a curiosity of the time control, it shows that I have 57 days for 10 moves and my opponent 43 days for 10 moves.
So in spite of having taken about a less 80 less days during the whole game, for this time I receive no credit for this due to the 59 day limit.
Seems like there really is no benefit to getting on with your games on here and the site administrator wants to endorse this behaviour. Certainty does not want to put anything in place to stop it.
Tano-Urayoan Russi Roman (2014-01-24 15:33:08)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Garvin the time control here is even faster than in ICCF (50 days for 10 moves) so the problem is not the t/c but the players abusing it, as you have stated. Why you want to penalize those who find satisfactory the system for the culprit of some rotten fruits?
Garvin Gray (2014-02-03 02:10:36)
Standard time control abusers
Suffering again with two players abusing the time control.
Sick of this site with an administrator who will not doing anything about it when he has the ability to do so.
I believe it is time to start naming and shaming these people and will start to do so in the next post after replies from others. I really do not care anymore, it is time this issue is exposed for the disgrace it is. Perhaps by exposing them, they will be gotten rid of. They hide under the cover of anonymity.
I am strongly considering resigning both games, telling Thibault what he can do with his site and leaving. I have had a F****** gutful of these actions and having months of my life wasted.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-04 15:37:11)
Standard time control abusers
Time controls are the only rules... and rules are dedicated to be abused, early or lately. That's the same in life, unfortunately, noone can hope to stop it.
But we can discuss examples (without mentioning names, that's not useful IMO) to try to improve it - while avoiding to complicate it too much.
Garvin Gray (2014-02-08 11:05:53)
Standard time control abusers
Thib, I have not replied to this because this item has been discussed before and I feel that you are not serious in stopping this issue.
There have been discussions in changing the time control, or changing the vacation rules, and other such discussions, and on each and every occasion you have said that there will be no change.
I have been left with the conclusion that you are on the side of the time control abusers and endorse their behaviour and that it is acceptable to have other players lives wasted for 30 days each 40 day period.
I have presented proposal after proposal to stamp out this scourge and you will not do anything about it.
You have the ability to do so and can act immediately.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-08 16:11:32)
Standard time control abusers
Changing the time control will not avoid the ways to abuse it... And we can always complexify rules (e.g. vacation) but it will always be possible to use it to gain time on difficult moves. All this reminds me the way we are governed in France, with the well known no-results...
Finally, I must say that you often had very good ideas for this site (even if many cannot be used yet because we have no players enough) but I think that your view on time controls is really subjective, probably most of us are really ok with the current rules and we can observe alternatives (iccf, wbccc, other sites).
George Clement (2014-02-10 20:26:55)
Standard time control abusers
Thib, I for one agree with Garvin. Currently I believe the reason that no new m or sm tours have started in months is because of the time control abuse. There is no way it should take a modern computer and analyst 30 days to come up with 10 moves. They wait 30 days play 10 fast moves and are gone for 30 days again. It's one of the main reason play on this site is going down. n'est ce pas?
George Clement (2014-02-10 20:37:01)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
I agree with Garvin that this would be a great standard time control.
"
20 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days, followed by 10 moves in 40 days and then 15 days plus 1 day per move from move 41. "
Why don't we try it? Thib what say you?
Garvin Gray (2014-02-11 11:42:25)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
I would go as far as to say that it is time to abandon the standard time control divisions completely.
Josef Riha (2014-02-12 09:09:44)
Standard time control abusers
For completely different time controls look at chesshere.com!
Garvin Gray (2014-02-12 14:57:59)
Standard time control abusers
I found it difficult on that site to find the time controls for correspondence chess. Also I noticed that the rules forbid engine use. Which does compromise comparisons to this site.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-13 13:30:26)
Standard time control abusers
George, the main reason why no tournaments enough can start is that the number of new players slowly decreases for a while... I tried several things to solve this problem and it didn't work, now I'm trying other things but believe me, I'm doing my possible. The thing is that it takes time (particularly for Google) :/
Mladen Jankovic (2014-02-14 22:18:12)
Also, other problems
At least the link is back on wikipedia corresponcence chess article, for starters, it may have been impacted by a study on external links deletion.
Another problem is that ratings appear to be negative sum, and will tend to go down accross the site. For example, I recently beat an opponent that has a rating higher than mine by almost 200, and he resigned on the tenth move, and I get *no* rating change, while he takes a loss in rating.
Garvin Gray (2014-02-15 08:59:20)
Standard time control abusers
Ok, I have long had enough of this and since Thib believes that everything is a ok, it is time to start naming the abusers and their actions.
Perhaps that will force Thib to start taking action against these people, because I, for at least one player, have had a bloody gutful of this player wasting my life.
The player concerned is: Mariusz Maciej Broniek and the game in question is: https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=71232
He has repeatedly made all his moves in the last 5 days of the time control, then let his time run down to the 5 days and then made another 10 moves and rinse-repeat and will do it again.
Mariusz is clearly able to move faster, but is deciding to 'game' the time control in an attempt to either annoy the S*** out of me, or hope that I will resign.
The significance of this game is that whoever wins, wins the tourney and all the e points, totalling 48 e points. I am +10 ahead and it is time Thibault stepped in and put a stop to this behaviour.
Either Thibault applies the 'bringing the game into disrepute rule' against players like this, by firstly giving a warning and then declaring the game lost, or Thibault makes it clear he stands on the side of those who seek to abuse and 'game' the time control and does not give a stuff about the lives of the members who they continue to stuff over.
Scott Nichols (2014-02-15 15:42:10)
Standard time control abusers
I share your sentiments Garvin. I have, and still am playing many of these guys. It seems that they want to win points by extending the game as long as possible and hope to win by the other player either quits, gives gup chess, or dies. Another problem is players who reach a dead lost position, even one move before mate and then just quit moving altogether.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-15 23:44:49)
Standard time control abusers
Garvin, I know why Mariusz can play this way in general (like a few other ones) and this 'may have' nothing to do with any kind of abuse. Anyway this game seems really close to finish and everyone has the right to play games until the end. One could have chosen rules that say "every game with Rybka +/-5.0 is won" or even more complex rules involving evaluation and clocks, but this is not the case here (fortunately, anyway any rule can be abused). One can't know everyone's personal life.
Garvin Gray (2014-02-25 11:36:55)
Standard time control abusers
Broniek is now down to seven days in my game against him and has 9 moves to make. I have no doubt that he will make the time control, then will sit on the game for another 35 days.
Thanks Thibault for wasting my life like this.
You have a choice, you can either be on the side of the abusers or the victims. It is clear which side you are choosing. At the clear cost of the site.
I know why most people are not commenting and this because they are scared to offend you, even though they hate behaviour like this. Instead they just do not participate in the events.
I have noticed that no one is promoting ficgs anymore. Perhaps it is because the members have grown tired of seeing a site admin allowing members to act in manners like this and not being held to account for it.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-26 15:17:40)
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Garvin, please tell me what do other sites like ICCF or any other in such cases?
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-26 15:19:34)
Withdrawal from all standard time events
Just a matter of taste... As for me, I really enjoy it. Rapid tournaments are probably a good compromise, no need to make standard tournaments look like it too much.
George Clement (2014-02-26 18:22:36)
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Of the top 25 active users on this site only 7 have active games running!
Peter W. Anderson (2014-02-27 16:00:46)
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But I guess that will change a lot on March 1st when next WCh cycle starts.
George Clement (2014-02-27 20:11:20)
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Doesn't help if you want to play in a rated tournament!
Peter W. Anderson (2014-02-28 08:36:07)
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True!
There are advantages to how the FICGS world champs are organised, but one disadvantage is that you can end up playing lots of Wch games and not really have time for normal tournaments.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-28 16:36:56)
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This statistic/percentage will increase with time, most probably (quite logical)... It is probably quite the same at ICCF.
Wch is always a problem with standard tournaments, that's one reason why I was not favourable (so far) to add another cycle (cup). But I think there will be more players registering soon, things are evolving in the right way with Google.
Garvin Gray (2014-02-28 17:15:22)
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ICCF code of conduct 2: Extremely slow play in a clearly lost position is not proper behaviour in CC play, and is subject to a warning from the TD, and will result in disciplinary action if it continuous or is repeated in other games
Playing Rules- Server
3) Failure to Reply- a. The ICCF Webserver system will automatically generate an Email reminder when a player has not
made a move for 14 days and another, after 28 generated after 35 days of silence by a player.
b. When a player is sent a final reminder after 35 days of response time, he/she must either move or report to the Tournament Director and to his/her opponent, the intention to continue the game, within 5 days of that
reminder. If a player does not move or otherwise report his/her intention to continue, during the 40 days of response
time for the same move, the game may be scored as lost by the Tournament Director.
My own words- The number of days set above are based on 10 moves in 50 days, so for our site we would use a much shorter time period.
I can not answer what happens in practice on iccf as I do not play there.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-02-28 23:58:27)
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We also have here a rule for clearly lost positions but in all cases this is subjective, we should compare many judged positions. As for the Server rule, it is just similar to the 60 days move rule... Finally what ICCF TDs can do if a player makes one move every 25 days in a not "clearly lost" position until approching the time limit? Changing rules will not change anything IMO, there is no way to prevent someone to turn around clear rules to last a game.
Garvin Gray (2014-03-01 03:29:31)
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And once again your response is to sit on your hands and do nothing. That is your clear response all the time to this major issue.
You ask for solutions, some of us attempt to offer solutions, you reject them. You ask for other sites rules, we offer them, you reject them saying they won't work. It is clear that you have no intention of doing anything about this and that you really believe that allowing my life to be wasted is acceptable, well I don't and I am sure the others who are trapped in this same situation do not.
I really do not understand how you can think it is acceptable to allow your members to have their lives wasted by players who are clearly just acting out of spite?
Your actions are really against the best interests of this site. I know as the site administrator that is a big call, but I really do feel it is the right call to make.
When you side with the abusers and not the victims, that is what happens.
Garvin Gray (2014-03-01 03:30:21)
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You do have a simple solution, btw. Get rid of the standard time control events and just concentrate from now on with rapid time control.
At least events will get started.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-01 23:51:05)
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Here is a proposal... I'll post a new topic asking who is favourable to close the class A, class M & class SM tournaments, promoting regularly this new topic in the chat bar.
Then let's wait 7 days exactly. If there are more players wanting to close (temporarily, at least) these waiting lists, then it will be done.
Does it sound acceptable to you?
Garvin Gray (2014-03-02 04:03:47)
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I see the idea of a vote as ridiculous and a waste of time. What it could lead to is people voting to keep the class A, M and SM tournaments open because they do not want to deprive the opportunity of someone to play in them, but the status quo remains that no one is joining them.
And what happens if you only get a couple of responses, which is exactly what could happen because of general site apathy?
If you want knowledge of how people feel about these matters, but do not want to publicly speak about the matter because they are afraid to offend the site administrator because they are afraid.
I have given you the absolute 'rounds of the kitchen' repeatedly and often on this issue and have not let up over a number of weeks.
It is natural on the internet that when someone is pushing that hard against the efforts of a volunteer site admin that there will be blowback and the 'pusher (me)' will cop criticism in return.
So far there has been little to none. In fact some of the regulars have been stating that there is an issue as well.
Instead of calling for votes that could just leave all of us in the same ridiculous situation, take the feedback I have provided, and also the inactivity of the groups as the votes that really count ie the marketplace has decided that they do not want those groups, and close the class SM, class M and class A groups immediately.
Josef Riha (2014-03-02 10:21:48)
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As I said earlier in this thread, look at chesshere.com. There are no tournament classes here.
You have three possibilities to play a game in CC:
1.) Start your own game and decide the time control and elo-range of your opponent or enter a game at the game list.
2.) If you are a teammember the teamcaptain assigns an opponent to you.
3.) You can apply a Championship with different elo-classes.
In all cases the time control range is mostly between 3 or 7 days. No extra days are added after a move.
If an opponent ran out of time you can remain your opponent to do a move or finish the game immediately. After each game your elopoints are updated and you can see your success (or failure).
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-02 23:20:58)
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Chesshere is a very different system indeed. There is a server for any taste, I guess...
Garvin, if there was only you, George & I responding, then you'd be probably 2 to choose to close these waiting lists so I'd do it. But if you think I've installed a terror-like system here, then this is not an option anymore...
Ok, I think this decision is quite terrible but let's do this. Class SM, class M & class A are now closed.
Rapid SM 12 is now empty, rapid M 71 has one player & rapid A 158 has three, let's wait and see how it evolves during a few weeks/months.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2014-03-03 01:40:14)
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I can't believe that one player has success with his permanent and aggressive posts. What a terrible development of the server. So I can no longer recommend this website as a chess server.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-03 11:14:15)
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Not "any" player though, Heinz-Georg :) You know like me that Garvin has some experience and knowledge on all these topics and I respect it, even if I disagree with him sometimes or often.
In this case, I estimated that either I had to prove some things, or something good could comes out (if I'm wrong). We all know that we miss new players for about 2 years, so it sounds important to do something that can be seen even if the real game is behind the server itself...
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-03 11:22:35)
Class A, class M & class SM closed
Hello all,
Waiting lists for chess class A, class M & class SM tournaments are temporarily closed as an experiment, following the discussion in the thread:
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=11507
My sincere apologies to players who entered it already, but anyway you all know that class & rapid tournaments are difficult to start for 2 years now, so we're working on different ways to improve the situation.
Of course, you can send me an email if you want to remove your name from these waiting lists.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2014-03-03 18:14:56)
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Why do you think that a serious player would join FICGS if he cannot play serious correspondence games here? He hasn't done it during the last two years, so he will not do it after this restriction of tournament structure.
IMO time control 30/+1 is only suitable for correspondence cafe chess games. It's enough time for poker games, maybe even go games, but chess? That's enough in no case, if you have to work or want to play on others sides too.
I don't play normal chess on this side because the class tournaments are not attractive enough. At least I should climb the next class level if I win a tournament. With this ELO-driven classification that is not the case. And in the WCH there is not enough time to play a serious game.
Furthermore, I don't like the preferential treatment (own groups) for the "better" players. I think that many players feel the same way.
By the way I think it's terrible that chess players are condemned here because they spent their time (or vacation) as they need it. According to the rules that is their right.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-03 23:41:34)
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At least you join Garvin on the WCH groups point (and consequently the Cup idea)...
Anyway, as there are very few new strong chess players yet, this is a quite good time to try this change. Let's see in a few weeks/months if it has first effects.
Jing Huang (2014-03-04 00:14:15)
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I agree with this - "I don't play normal chess on this side because the class tournaments are not attractive enough. At least I should climb the next class level if I win a tournament. With this ELO-driven classification that is not the case."
I also like the cup idea :)
Garvin Gray (2014-03-04 01:15:06)
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FWIW, seems like at least one person thinks I 'got my way'. This is incorrect, I did not 'get my way'.
I wanted Thibault to take action against standard time control abusers, which he has not done.
Btw, in one of my games I am now on move 70 and have mate 13 and I think my opponent is going to make another move and then try and sit on the position for another 35 days.
Will Thibault step in then?
The closing of the three standard class divisions was a response to this issue and the fact that they have not started for a long time and that something needed to be done.
It is only after a decision had been made one way or another that some comments have started to come. I gave, some days, between replies, for others to comment, so others had an opportunity to cast their opinion, disagree, give alternative opinion and also to add new rules if they wish.
Then as nothing was happening with the discussions and my opponents were continuing with their actions, the need become more pressing. I have never said for a second that there is anything wrong at all with a person who moves at a rate of one move every five days.
It is with players who are so arrogant they believe it is their right to waste their opponents lives when they clearly can play at a faster rate. If they can not move at a faster rate, how come they can make 9 moves in 3 days, then not move for 35 days?
A person who is legitimately time poor will make one move every few days to make the time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-05 00:23:43)
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Garvin, about that particular game you can use the rules to shorten it... the game will not last more than 30 days in this case (see 11.5).
On the ways people use their time, every player has his own reasons and I don't think he should have to say or justify it to see if it suits any "code of conduct". There must be rules and nothing more.
Don Groves (2014-03-09 22:26:32)
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I have long ago stated my opinion that, if a player cannot make one move per week (or maybe 10 days) in each game they are playing, then that person is playing too many games. I have come up against the same problems Garvin is talking about many times and invariably players who do this are playing 30 or more games at the same time. My solution is to restrict the number of tournaments a player can enter. No player can enter a new tournament if he/she has more than two tournaments already running.
Don Groves (2014-03-09 22:31:46)
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Perhaps the best solution is to require every player to make at least one move in every game during a 10 day period. Unless on vacation, I cannot imagine a serious player could not do this. When I play, I never wait longer than about 3 days in any game.
Timofey Denisov (2014-03-11 03:41:27)
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Don Groves, I have reason: "Finalgening" endgames, for sample. It takes very much time :( And this process makes engine very slow, so if I finalgening endgame in one game, I not make moves in all games...
Timofey Denisov (2014-03-11 03:42:43)
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Finalgen is http://mtu-media.com/finalgen/home_ing.php
Thibault de Vassal (2014-03-12 13:44:36)
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Even a 10 days limit per move would not solve the DMD problem... And we had debates on the number of tournaments each player can enter, such a (big) change would not satisfy everyone (for the least, I think).
Joerg Moormann (2014-03-14 23:19:51)
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Why not the ICCF rule, that days >20 count double?
Garvin Gray (2014-03-15 15:50:41)
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I saw that rule when looking through the iccf rules, but did not really understood how it worked, either in theory, or in practice.
Care to explain?
Timofey Denisov (2014-03-15 18:15:43)
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If player not make move after 20 days (vacation days not counting in these 20), then his clock will run 2x times faster until he will make move. After he make move, clock will work as usual.
Garvin Gray (2014-03-16 08:39:10)
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So what prevents a player doing these two measures to get around the rule:
1) Putting themselves on one day vacation as allowed on here.
2) Making one move after 19 days, and then sitting on the position again till day 35.
Game would just advance one move.
Timofey Denisov (2014-03-16 11:41:12)
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1) not working. Because vacation days just skipping in count, so clock will gain double speed in 21th day (if player took 1-day vacation).
2) Yes... maybe do more? Maybe decline 50-move rule on 6- or even 7- pieces in "normal chess"? (because exist tablebases for these endgames, and players just do moves from database), and next is do adjudgement in 6- pieces positions? Result can be gained from chessok.com, for sample. Or if 7-pieces position you can gain result from latest version Aquarium (licensed, pirated copy can't access to tablebases).
Thibault de Vassal (2014-04-09 13:18:35)
Alvin Alcala in Freestyle Battle 2014
It seems that Alvin still some chances to win the gigantic freestyle tournament named "Freestyle Battle" played at InfinityChess server :
http://www.infinitychess.com/Web/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=141
He is now second, Anson Williams is first... Wish him good luck for the last 2 rounds :)
Peter W. Anderson (2014-04-10 11:14:59)
Alvin Alcala in Freestyle Battle 2014
Yes, excellent performance by Alvin.
Anson Williams is interesting. I can't find him on any correspondence sites. I believe he is English but I cannot find any record of an English Chess Federation or FIDE rating for him. The only type of chess he seems to play is freestyle and he seems to do very well at it. He must have a lot of natural talent because there are some strong OTB and correspondence players in that tournament.
Good luck Alvin for the last round :)
Alvin Alcala (2014-04-11 16:26:41)
Alvin Alcala in Freestyle Battle 2014
I had my chance on the penultimate (round 28). Anson was leading by 1/2 point, however, he managed to win his game while my game was a draw thus at the end of the tour he was 1 point ahead of me.
Michael Sayers (2014-04-19 17:05:02)
remove from non-started tournaments
Is it possible for a player to have himself removed from the waiting list of tournaments which have not begun if he might not be able to complete the obligations and if he doesn't make this mistake again?
(specifically
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_B__000205,
FICGS__CHESS__CLASS_C__000210,
FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_B__000217,
FICGS__CHESS__NO_ENGINES_TOURNAMENT__000071,
and
FICGS__CHESS__UNRATED_TOURNAMENT__000037
- these are many!!!).
Much appreciated if possible :)
Michael S.
Michael Sayers (2014-04-19 20:40:44)
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I want to offer a general apology to my opponents here re. my late start in deployment of moves by maybe 20 days in some games. Since then, I have moved promptly (within the day) of each move received.
This isn't the only venue where I play chess and I was a bit overwhelmed. Then I decided I had an obligation toward my fellow players to follow through reliably with the games.
As to players taking the maximum possible number of days to complete a game, in any system there are unreliable persons, abusers, et c., and when the rules become so numerous and strict as to prevent this then there is no remedy when a decent person needs a little flexibility - intense discomfort caused by some is replaced by slight and persistent discomfort for everybody, and probably no one wants that scenario.
Michael S.
Garvin Gray (2014-04-21 04:18:03)
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Hello Michael,
Players starting games 'late' is not unusual. I think we have all done it through a combination of factors.
The issue that has been discussed here does not seem to be something that you are even close to doing, which is in the standard time control, wait until your clock gets down to 5 days, then make 10 moves to make the time control, then wait another 35 days and then make another 10 moves and keep repeating this behaviour.
Garvin Gray (2014-04-21 04:23:35)
Reduction in max days available? (move)
Currently ficgs has a rule that states: 11. 4. Time rules - Any move in any game shall be played in a maximum period of 60 days, otherwise the game will be adjudicated on time.
I think that 60 days is way too long a time period as a maximum limit and would propose that this be halved to 30 days.
This means a player has to play one move in each of their games every 30 days. This does not seem anywhere near onerous to me.
Michael Sayers (2014-04-21 09:41:12)
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Hi Garvin,
Then maybe the solution is reduced maximum time on the clock? "Rapid" could be 10 days +1 day per move, 10 days maximum time available, or there could be no set maximum time, e.g. "rapid" requires a move in 24 hours or forfeit, "standard" requires a move in 72 hours or forfeit. What will happen though is a replacement of some players who always take the maximum time available and those few persons inducing most of the annoyance here (Pareto's principle) - this will be replaced with some players doing a tremendous amount of forfeits.
I'm not sure which is preferred (I don't know which I would prefer to encounter!).
M.
Timofey Denisov (2014-04-21 18:33:54)
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40 days, same as in ICCF. 20 days too little if I want finalgening position.
Timofey Denisov (2014-04-21 18:36:30)
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Michael Sayers, if you can play so fast every move, I can't play so fast. So if will be only these time controls, I will leave from this server. I want play in correspondence chess, not blitz chess.
Michael Sayers (2014-04-21 18:45:39)
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Hi Timofey,
These are just ideas off the top of my head. I don't know what a solution would be to the issues mentioned in the thread. FYI, I don't work for ficgs and am just a fellow member commenting on things :)
Real cc needs three days per move + no big delays except in rare instances (and maybe a courteous message would help, such as "I hope you don't mind but I need a few more days here to figure out what to do", et c.). Courtsey and sincere communication make a lot of things much smoother!
All The Best,
Michael
Michael Sayers (2014-04-21 18:47:59)
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p.s. - not everyone uses an engine, some of us still do chess the old fashioned way rather than seeking a quick Rybka/Fritz/Houdini or whatever fix, and doing things the old fashioned way sometimes might need a few days ;-)
Garvin Gray (2014-04-22 07:19:49)
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Timofey: Is there a reason why you would choose 40 days instead of 30 days other than- that is how iccf does it?
The rapid time control is the main time control on here and it is 30 days, so that should be the maximum number of days with no move.
Timofey Denisov (2014-04-22 08:41:34)
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Finalgening position takes many time... maybe after 20 days doubles clock, same as in ICCF. But time forfeit fixes only after 40 days without move, not 30.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-04-23 00:10:17)
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Tano-Urayoán is right, changing this limit means changing many things here, while bringing more stress to many players (that I wanted to avoid with this rule)... btw this will not solve the DMD problem.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-04-23 00:19:10)
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A problem with starting with only 10 days is players who may start a new tournament late.
Garvin, I must say I sometimes play this way myself when I have few time during a few weeks... I play easiest moves while delaying hard ones, then I concentrate on these difficult games during a short period and play several moves... Everyone may have his reasons.
David Fierry Fraillon (2014-04-23 09:09:36)
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Hi all,
I am suffering a player abusing of time control ... he has waiting for 29 days for playing one move and then alternating one move / one day of vacation.
I read all comments on this post and i do agree with both of you (Garvin and Thibault) on main points.
Basically thibault you're wright but maybe you will reconsider your position by looking at it with new eyes :
- In the current WCH at least 6 players are using this ''technic'' : the Pech family (Stepan, Matej, Jaroslav and Jarsolav senior), Pechova and Mach
- They all coming from Czech Republic
So what i think : it is only one player (and i am sure you can check that with IP connection). That player is not interrested in winning elo and is stupid by using the same country.
It is not a person interested by chess it is only someone who want bad on FICGS : and that the point you can use for banning him.
Obviously, I am not sure of what i wrote and in theory i do not agree with writing names of the guilty ... but in that case i think you should consider that guy like a hacker and not like a chess player using a stupid technic for winning elo.
David Fierry Fraillon (2014-04-23 09:34:42)
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Just to precise my point :
- Evoluting rules is a good thing and the fact in implies evoluting cheats is also a good thing ( :-) )
- Allowing one day vacation should be authorized vhen too many moves to play
--> If there is a proof (IP connection or date when vacation are taken in my ''6 players case'') we must consider that we are not in a possible case of correspondance chess.
I am sure it does not happen that often.
Michael Sayers (2014-04-23 09:37:40)
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I'm not defending the 29 day delay yet the move every two days isn't abnormal for cc chess. M.S.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-04-23 12:27:04)
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There have been many discussions here that concluded that human factor (particularly decisions by me) should be reduced to minimum... David, I'm perfectly aware of this case, this is a permanent test for FICGS rules. But reasons for a ban here would be kind of fuzzy and I think we must avoid that.
David Fierry Fraillon (2014-04-23 13:20:16)
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okidoki ...
Reasons for ban can be fuzzy i do agree, and i think not in a ''fair play spirit''.
I should have spoken about withdrawal or something else ... whatever i am intersting in playing chess and i always intend to play my Pech's game normally.
It can even be fun to play like that : the challenge is to win by time !!! :-)
In fact i wanted to pointed out that there is maybe different ways than changing rules to avoid time abusers. It's been a long time that i did not seriously play chess, and i am not an expert in cc ... but i am thinking that the actual time rules (combined to the moves interface) are simply really good ...
As a server manager you can find out material evidence of time abusing ( even if it is not as simple as i say ) and a cheater will always find a way to cheat on new rules.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-04-27 19:13:49)
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If this is not about the DMD issue, why to increase the level of stress of all players and the number of time forfeits?! If one player from time to time has to play his move on the 39st day instead of the 59st one, he'll probably have some reasons to take the difference for his next move. There was very few (probably a few ones but I can't remember any) complaints on this point during these last... 8 years (damn, already!)
Garvin Gray (2014-04-29 09:35:01)
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Thib, each sport, should review its rules and conducts every once in a while to see if it is operating to best of its ability for the maximum enjoyment of the membership.
When looking through the rules and thinking about some of the issues here, I noticed that we do have the 60 day maximum play rule, which seems extra-ordinarily long.
That type of time (2 months) is a throwback to the days of email or even postal play, and in my opinion, is way to long for acceptable server play.
I still believe 30 days is the right time frame, but others have proposed 40 and so I am happy to abide by the majority if it gets the time shortened.
What I am concerned about and possibly trying to achieve a little bit, is that it is not acceptable for players to allow their games just to remain in limbo for an unlimited amount of time.
If a person can not make one move in each of their games on this site in 40 days, then perhaps they should be reviewing their participation. It is not fair on their opponents who have to wait around for them and it is not good for the site as a whole which needs games finishing for accurate and reliable ratings.
Costantino Proietti (2014-05-07 11:07:59)
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I agree with 30 days for any move time limit.
When I played postal chess in ASIGC I was addicted waiting my opponents moves so every day I was looking for new letters. I think the stressed player is that player as kind of me that want to carry on a game without waste of time, not the player that ignores a game as the rules allow this behaviour.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-05-13 22:43:02)
Reduction in max days available? (move)
In my opinion this time limit by move does not really impact the duration of the game, I really don't see any objective (while I understand subjective ones, of course) reason why it should be reduced. Anyway, as I said before, the whole balance of the rules here -particularly vacation- depend on this one so the whole thing should be rethinked.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-05-13 23:01:16)
Class A, class M & class SM closed
It is now about 70 days that these waiting lists are closed, time to make a point.
The situation was the following on march 2 : "Rapid SM 12 is now empty, rapid M 71 has one player & rapid A 158 has three"
Now, Rapid SM 12 has one player , rapid M 72 (one started) has two players & rapid A 161 (three started) has one.
However only one player rated above 2200 entered the Rapid M tournament that started, and another one the current waiting list. On the other hand, respectively 2, 3 & 4 players rated above 2000 entered the Rapid A tournaments.
My conclusion is that closing class SM & class M tournaments waiting lists was not really useful while it was more useful for class A. Finally, probably one or two rapid A would have started during this period if class A was not closed.
Of course the main problem remains the lack of new players.
I now re-open the class SM, M & A waiting lists. Let's see how it evolves.
Timofey Denisov (2014-05-16 16:39:39)
big chess pgn viewer?
and I think would be good to develop PGN converter FICGS notation to Winboard notation (squares a0 - p15 with letter i, short notation a la "common" chess).
Sample:
[Event "Edited game"]
[Site "CHESSPC"]
[Date "2014.05.10"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "rnb1rbnqknbr1bnr/pppppppnnppppppp/7pp7/16/16/16/16/16/16/16/16/16/16/7PP7/PPPPPPPNNPPPPPPP/RNB1RBNQKNBR1BNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
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r n b . r b n q k n b r . b n r
p p p p p p p n n p p p p p p p
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Garvin Gray (2014-06-03 03:02:20)
100 point rating bands
I have been wondering for a long time if 100 point rating divisions would make a difference to get divisions starting faster.
I do believe that most of the divisions really do only comprise players within a 100 point rating band. It is rare to see players spread evenly between say 2199 and 2001. If a group of 2050 to 2005's join, three 2170's are not going to join.
So perhaps the number of divisions need to be increased with rating divisions of 100 be created?
Thibault de Vassal (2014-06-11 01:57:46)
100 point rating bands
To be honest, I have no idea or almost... As far as I can remember, ICCF does not have such limits, IECG always used the 200 points rating division. We could also wonder what about a 50 points rating division.
But for a coherence purpose (and not by lazyness), I wouldn't favor such a BIG change :)
Timofey Denisov (2014-07-03 00:37:10)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Maybe just increase number of games in final match, for sample, to 24? (as in old live chess championships)?
Thibault de Vassal (2014-07-04 02:03:32)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Garvin, it seems to me that this is only a question of definition: you win a chess game if you can take the king, or if your opponent runs out of time, or... and you win a championship if you fill certain conditions. Kramnik retained his title by this 7-7 against Leko in 2004 because it was defined this way. The question to know if it is ridiculous or not seems quite subjective.
@Timofey: 24 games would be a huge load of work. 12 games is quite a lot already and I'm not sure it would change anything. For example, Eros explained why he offered a draw in a probably winning position. Finally, we could change everything and make another ICCF but would it be useful or interesting when it already exists?
Garvin Gray (2014-07-05 04:33:02)
Call referee button, response time
This comes from the chat bar.
Currently a player has thirty days to make a move when their opponent has used the call referee button.
An opponent will usually only hit the button in situations of forced mate (DMD) and are seeking that the game be adjudicated in their favour.
I stated that the time period is too long.
Thibault responded that not all players play at the same rhythm.
This is irrelevant in my opinion. The issue is quite simple. One player in the game has hit the call referee button.
In these situations, the rules can quite easily be changed to state that after the call referee button has been hit and the other player contacted, the other player has a maximum seven days to make a move.
Timofey Denisov (2014-07-08 08:19:31)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Maybe, "revolving system"? For sample, first simultaneously start 12 games, but next game will start after end one of these games, etc until all games of this match started.
It will not huge load of work, but will give much more concurrency :)
Garvin Gray (2014-07-08 17:01:05)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Timofey: That format could result in more short draws as the players see it as a way to get through the early games faster.
The better format would be to have it as 12 games, but if one player is ahead after eight games have been concluded, the match is over.
The second idea would be to play an eight game match, and then if the result is 4-4, another four games are played.
That would encourage both players in the first eight games to try and win more games as they would know that agreeing to short draws does not shorten the match length, in fact it could lengthen it.
Garvin Gray (2014-07-08 17:04:32)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Thib, I know you are going to defend the status quo on everything. That is what you do. You do it on everything, so I have pretty much lost interest in trying to change or improve things around here.
The site with either live or die as is. I am finishing up my games and then seeing what happens. My participation is coming to an end. I am finding it has stagnated overall in terms of site progression, ideas and overall administration.
It has become stale for ideas and the format is dead. Time to move on me thinks.
Timofey Denisov (2014-07-08 18:48:30)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Timofey: That format could result in more short draws as the players see it as a way to get through the early games faster
Really? Why people in Final match will do short draws, when if result of match is draw Champion keeps his title?
This is very nonprofitable to Candidate.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-07-11 01:01:06)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
Starting games one after another will take... years! 4 more games after the first 8 ones is 8 months more.
Garvin, I'm not defending the status quo to do nothing at all (even if it's ok for me from times to times), I really think that things are better as they are, even if there are many problems mainly due to the lack of players. Well, nowadays the curb of new players is going the right way, I hope this is only a start.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-07-11 01:06:42)
Call referee button, response time
30 days was chosen because it was the initial number of vacation days (as far as I remember). What if a player takes successive days of vacation? What if a player cannot play during this short period? We had many discussions that concluded into the idea that the human (referee) factor should be reduced at minimum. This clearly goes the other way.
Peter W. Anderson (2014-07-13 10:54:56)
FICGS WCh results summary updated
I have given the question of the format of the WCh matches a lot of thought.
There is no doubt that having the advantage of the draw is a huge advantage at correspondence chess, much more so than at normal chess, simply because the draw rate is so high amongst strong correpondence players.
However, there are disadvantages to other formats. It is true that a tournament final gives a better chance of having a new champion. But the outcome is dependent upon the results of players who are not necesarrily fighting hard for the prize (perhaps they have an early loss, perhaps other parts of their lives become too busy). You might hope that in the final this would not happen, but if you look closely at the games in the round robin finals you will see some strange results, clearly drawn games being lost etc. If it can happen in the round robin final it could happen in a championship final.
Having more games in the final is a very logical option. However, as Thib has pointed out, this will create a big workload. It would make it almost impossible for a serious challenger to enter consecutive championships without having to withdraw from later ones if they reached the final (this is already very difficult witouht more games!).
Another option would be an advanced chess play-off. I would be concerned that this would be too dependant on who had the biggest hardware with less chance for human skill.
Finally, there is the chance to decide a tied match with a toss of a coin. Not a great way of picking a champion.
This problem is not so much an issue with the format as with the game itself - chess is almost certainly drawn with sensible play and as engines get stronger it is going to become harder and harder to win games.
All in all, I think the current format is very reasonable, perhaps the best.
One final observation re Neel's comment that a top player can draw a game if he wants. Perhaps, and if this is 100% true then the draw problem is realy severe. However, I am a little more hopeful. Eros Riccio sometimes beats even very strong players playing the same openings he plays - it is not as if the openings he plays are guaranteed draws in practice. He finds ways of putting them under pressure and sometimes they make a mistake. Perhaps eventually he will do so too (we may have to wait for him to get old!). Or to put another way, chess is almost certainly drawn but it is not an easy draw even at correspondence if white plays really well!
Dimitrios Ropokis (2014-07-20 12:40:41)
Eros Riccio on his win in 8th chess WCH
Eros thank you! My best wishes to you!!
Bogoljub Teverovski (2014-07-25 19:29:12)
Thematic tournaments?
It's time for new thematic. Let's play Budapest Gambit
Timofey Denisov (2014-08-15 11:17:28)
Standard time control abusers
Don Groves,
if reduce max number of games simultaneously played, ppl can start more games in OTHER advanced chess servers (LSS, ICCF, bestlogic.ru), or creating some clones (2nd, 3rd accounts).
And max games of play depends of player's hardware and free time on day :)
Don Groves (2014-08-15 01:54:11)
Standard time control abusers
My position has not changed: the main reason for slow play is players who have too many games in progress for the amount of time they can devote to chess. The current level of allowable games is far too high, in my opinion. No one should be allowed to enroll in another tournament if they still have several uncompleted tournaments going on! How many is "several" needs to be decided, but 50, or whatever the limit now is, is way too many!
Ilmars Cirulis (2014-08-15 17:02:41)
Friendly thematic games or discussions
Does anyone want to play Sokolsky-Orangutan opening (1.b4) with white? For any theoretical, practical or other reasons - without any prizes, just friendly game for purposes of exploration.
Also I want to explore such variation of Traxler counterattack: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Ke3 Qh4 8.g3 Nxg3 9.hxg3 Qd4+ 10.Kf3
Two will be enough for me now.
P.S. Sorry for disappearance some time ago with lots of unfinished games.
Nick Burrows (2014-08-25 13:11:47)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
Here is a heads up, so you can avoid the same mistake I made.
I saw there was an available "gold" chess match against a player I thought I could beat, so I bought the required e-points and began the match. My opponent then played no moves and lost on time. I asked to cash-out my winnings. Thibault pointed out a rule in the small print that allows himself to claim the money that I had won.
I then asked for a refund of my money. Thibault refuses, because he is greedy and wants to earn 200 Euros for doing F*ck all. Now my money is trapped inside Ficgs.
*Buyer beware*
Nick Burrows (2014-08-26 20:06:27)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
Garvin: This is the paragraph Thibault referred me to -
b) "When a player wins a tournament with an entry fee (not null) and prize, he can choose after the game(s) to keep E-Points (by default) instantly added in his FICGS account or, if he has E-Points enough in his account, a money prize. Entry fees and prizes in E-Points are published on the tournament page in "Waiting lists". If games in such a tournament have not been really played for a win, for example if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games only to allow his opponent to get the money prize (and particularly if it happens several times), these tournaments will not be considered as win and the player showing this behaviour may lose his E-points involved in the tournament at the referee's discretion."
looking at it now, this doesn't even seem to cover my specific circumstance, as is this an instance of a player "not playing for a win"?
I always thought Thib was a nice guy, but his greed in this instance has really surprised me, and left a bad taste in my mouth.
Don Groves (2014-08-27 13:18:01)
Standard time control abusers
This is true, Timofey. Thibault has no control over how many games are played on other servers, but he can control how many can be played on this server by known slow players. Reducing those games on this server may not eliminate the problem but it clearly could help.
Alexis Alban (2014-08-27 14:49:01)
Standard time control abusers
I don't think that's the problem Don. For example the player Garvin is talking about only has 9 running games. However his profile says that he's doctor, so perhaps life responsibilities is causing his slow play rate.
I have well over 20 games running on this server and 5 on ICCF, and I feel like I can easily handle 20 more. There are times when I'm sitting there just waiting for my turn. I am however not a doctor, although I do work 40 hours a week.
Ilmars Cirulis (2014-08-27 15:27:33)
Friendly thematic games or discussions
Definitely enough that I wouldn't play it with black but in thematic games for fun.
But I can't say that it's "definitely losing". Maybe I'm too old for fast, unfounded judgements. And too busy for too frequent and big analysis. :D
Sokolsky opening is just a nice opening which I would play with white too, actually.
P.S. I wrote this post during sad mood, it wasn't claim of Traxler refutation but invitation to, probably, small talk about chess.
In these 12 days the situation has radically changed and everything is okay, even very good. :)
Garvin Gray (2014-08-28 12:39:55)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
So Nick, just to clarify what happened if this two game match:
Player A (opponent) enters Gold Waiting List
Player B (Yourself) joins Gold Waiting List sometime later.
The two games start.
Both games time out with no moves being made in either game and you never heard anything from Player A.
Is that correct?
I do have an opinion, or a couple of opinion on what I think should occur here, but it is dependant on the timeline of events. So I want to get them in the right order before stating my opinion.
Garvin Gray (2014-08-28 12:50:46)
Standard time control abusers
Alexis Alban: I dont you have read the whole thread and the comments from other posters who have talked about the habits of other players.
There is even a term for this behaviour. It is called DMD- dead mans defense.
And it is described very well.
They sit on their games for 35 days, make no moves, then suddenly are able to make 9 moves in 5 days, then make no more moves for 35 days and then make another 9 moves in 35 days and then it is rinse and repeat, time control and time control.
Meanwhile this is being done in positions where they are in dead lost positions ie mate in 30. They idea is solely to just piss off their opponents, nothing more.
So please do not just try and make this about one player. Standard time control abusers are a cancer on this and other corro chess sites and they should be gotten rid of as fast as possible.
They spread misery and suffering everywhere they go and the only person that really suffers is the opponent, who has to wait and wait for the games to finish, whilst the site admin sits back, does nothing and is just as guilty and the person doing the action.
At the end of the day, the person in charge who sits back and does nothing when they know of poor conduct under their watch is taking place is just as guilty, if not more so, than the original offender. This is because they create the culture that says it is permissable and says to everyone else that this behaviour is tolerated and the site is not to be taken seriously.
Garvin Gray (2014-08-30 07:46:33)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
Had some more time to think about this. Read the rules, read them again. Especially about where if a person asks for a financial payout from e points to Euro (and then converted to their currency.
They receive 75% of the stated e point amount.
So by my calculations-
David Evans paid 100 euro to enter the waiting list.
Nick Burrows paid 100 euro to enter the waiting list.
The advertised prize for winning the match is 196 e points.
So lets say that this match was played on merit and Nick won 2-0. He would receive 196 e points in his account. That is already 4 e points that FICGS is keeping for itself.
Then if Nick decided to 'cash out' those 196 e points, he would receive 75% of that- so 147 EURO.
This means that FICGS has received 200 EURO originally from these two entries, and paid out 147 EURO to Nick for his win.
Now, in the circumstance that has occurred here, the rule mentioned is more designed for multiple player tournaments to stop rating manipulation (sandbagging and the like), not for this circumstance.
Also, this rule states- For example if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games only to allow his opponent to get the money prize (and particularly if it happens several times). This would then be saying that David Evans deliberately lost both games on purpose to attempt to give Nick the prize (even though David paid the money out of his own pocket). Why wouldn't David just give the money straight to Nick?
If FICGS really does believe that part rule I have quoted has been violated and that David has engaged in game fixing, will FICGS be taking strong against David Evans, including suspensions or banning him from this site. It would be the logical conclusion for game fixing. Since this is the rule being quote to deny a payout.
Now the only other circumstance that I can think of why FICGS has attempted to deny a payout if that FICGS believes that Nick only entered the GOLD match, believing that David would not play the two games. That is a risky strategy for Nick to take, considering David is an active player, especially for 100 euro and 2 games.
Considering that even if FICGS pays out the money on this two game match, the site still makes 53 euro from a 2 game match, and I do not see a rule that justifies not paying it out, this money should be paid out.
A further question now is- Are these fees fair? A 53 euro profit from a 2 game match?
Alexis Alban (2014-08-30 17:18:41)
Standard time control abusers
I understand it now, thanks.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-08-30 22:44:50)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
I have to specify here that the rule mentioned is absolutely not about rating manipulation (by the way, there is already another rule for this), it is about money prize in 2 players matches only, maybe with 3+ players in unlikely cases! It was added when a player got a money prize after getting a few free Epoints and without playing any move... Of course, that was not acceptable (the prize was paid though, following the rules) as games recorded -especially silver/gold tournaments- should be worth to watch. So these are the reasons for this rule: To avoid empty games, to punish the player who didn't play (by taking Epoints, which is a obviously strong act in this particular case) and to redistribute Epoints to players who deserve it. Just like the rating rule, why a player should get a money prize by winning games without fighting?
I don't think that suspension or banning is necessary here (it would be really hard according to me, anyone can have good reasons for a long absence, but I'll consider this option if many players complains on this point).
To answer the last point, I don't and I cannot know if Nick entered this match believing that David would not play and I don't think that should be the point. As always, we need undisputable rules, as fair as possible, and I do think this one is a good one.
One important thing: The site does not make 53 Euro from this match, at most the site makes Epoints (on the other hand, most are offered by the site, by far). That makes a big difference!
Finally, if I understand Nick's point well, the way to understand "if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games only to allow his opponent to get the money prize" may be ambiguous so it could be not possible to make the decision (who can know if David really wanted to play these games, wanted that Nick or anyone else get the prize?). So I probably should make it more clear to avoid such situation - even if I doubt that players realize about this rule before entering a silver tournament.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-08-30 23:00:22)
Standard time control abusers
Definitely I'm in trouble with this problem. I still don't get why rapid tournaments (and a bit of patience... e.g. the case described by David) should not be a solution enough when many other players are ok with this standard time control, including DMD in the limit of the rules. Once more, there is no known way to avoid a Dead Man Defence that will always find a way to get around the rules, so...
Garvin Gray (2014-08-31 10:34:50)
Standard time control abusers
Players are ok with the time control, that is not in dispute, it is this behaviour and behaviours like it.
Any arbiter feels that actions during a game are against the general spirit of the game and bring the game of chess in disrepute, they can always use the fide laws of chess PREFACE:
PREFACE
The Laws of Chess cannot cover all possible situations that may arise during a game, nor can they regulate all administrative questions. Where cases are not precisely regulated by an Article of the Laws, it should be possible to reach a correct decision by studying analogous situations which are regulated in the Laws. The Laws assume that arbiters have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding a solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FIDE appeals to all chess players and federations to accept this view.
A necessary condition for a game to be rated by FIDE is that it shall be played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.
It is recommended that competitive games not rated by FIDE be played according to the FIDE Laws of Chess.
Member federations may ask FIDE to give a ruling on matters relating to the Laws of Chess.
And:
Article 11: The conduct of the players
11.1 The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute.
Whilst this is rather broad and rather vague, surely DMD type actions fall under this heading.
Garvin Gray (2014-08-31 10:37:06)
Standard time control abusers
As for the idea of the rapid time control- I love the rapid time control, it is just that for my rating, and those around my rating range, very few tournaments start at all.
So to get our fix, we have to look to the standard time control events, and then we run into these issues.
I maintain that you stopped the trail of closing the standard time control divisions wayyyy too early.
Nothing at the top is really starting at this point in time, even though players on this site are active, or trying to be.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-08-31 13:23:45)
Standard time control abusers
We had so many discussions here about the rules that concluded that no decision should be made involving any human feeling on a chess server... I remember ICCF/IECG tournament director(s) going this way as well and that's the way time/DMD rules were thought and written.
Nick Burrows (2014-08-31 14:40:39)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
If the conditions that FICGS operates under were explicit, why would any player ever buy e-points?
Pay 100 euros for a match that you may get to play after a long wait of many months. If you get an opponent, but he doesn't play moves; Ficgs keeps his 100 Euros. At no time can the e-points you bought be converted to cash unless you enter the above process, and win, when Ficgs will take 25% of your winnings.
Like a bad joke isn't it!
Perhaps a better business model would be one that gave attractive and fair conditions to the players; so that rather than stripping bare every victim you trick into the system, you have take less money from each player but with many, many more participants?
Thibault de Vassal (2014-08-31 20:50:58)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
That's wrong, it is specified in the My account page (within days):
"Please send us a message through the form below after any payment on FICGS account, mentioning your name, address, country, account (email) at Moneybookers, the number of tickets you bought and the amount transfered. Your account in E-Points at FICGS will be updated within days."
Anyway, definitely I do not have to know that you bought it for this specific match or to act according to this view.
On the casino-like point, I invite you to contact the french government like I did, they will explain you why it is either the same or different in so many ways that it is impossible to know for sure at the end. At least I'm sure that the part of random is not the same in poker than in chess and that I have no right to act like a casino: all prizes must be related to tournaments, there's no possible "cash out" there.
Dominique Geffroy (2014-09-03 22:09:00)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
I will jump in, even though I have no affiliation with either party, and do not even know FICGS that well, having played only a handful of games here. But my background is finance, and I have decent training on fight against financial crime. What Thibault is trying to say, if I understand correctly, is that his business is running under some legal constraints, and in particular, I guess he has to prove to the regulator that in no way may his operation be used as a money laundering scheme by organized crime.
This is why the business would never be allowed to turn epoints into cash, except when there has been a real *unpredictable event*, i.e. a real game, a real tournament, which triggered such cash payment.
The reason behind this is that as soon as you have a failproof, 100% safe way of turning money into goods and back into money, there is room for money laundering activities on the back of such practice. The money becomes clean, because it acquires an identified source: FICGS in this instance. Even with a 25% cut, that is something very interesting for organised crime: cleaning the money has a price. By imposing that un *unpredictable event* happens, this opportunity taken away from would be abusers.
I understand your frustration, but once again, as an outsider with no stake whatsoever in this, I am pretty sure that if Thibault were allowed to do differently in this instance, he would.
Dominique Geffroy (2014-09-04 21:58:31)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
1. I guess he obeys laws imposed on him without delving into the whys and hows of why they exist...
2. Well, the message I was trying to convey is that in the eye of the authorities and the regulator, a conversion of epoints to money triggered by a game which looks fixed is an open door to money laundering, and therefore ruled out. Regulator says: no risk, no money. If there was no move on the opponent's side, the regulator says there was no risk.
I nevertheless have to agree with you, as anyone with common sense would, that it is very convoluted and unfair, because you are obviously not a money launderer and you would deserve your reward. Such server rule therefore probably needs to be put forward much more clearly by the organisers, who have in my opinion absolutely no leeway in this respect (This forum post will probably useful for that).
So maybe there is greed, maybe you are right. I do not know this person and will neither launch an attack on his personal character, nor try a defense. But all I can say is that even if he was a benevolent benefactor of humanity, he would risk prison if he converted epoints to money following a not contested game.
Dura lex, sed lex.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-09-05 01:25:46)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
I must say that Dominique explained some things much better than I could... Thank you! On the second point, I guess that I'll have to deal repeatedly with this "doubt" for ever or for a moment as I tried to update the code for the prizes according to this rule but was not able to do it without making it too heavy, so I'll continue to take Epoints from winner's account each time in such situation before I rewrite the whole thing.
Finally I have to say that reasons for such rule remain at the same time fuzzy (I'm not able to justify it by specific points in the law - that is fuzzy itself) & personal because I want to avoid any risk and because I do think it's fair, which is subjective of course! As I already said, Epoints are taken there, others are offered there... So yes, I could have made another choice, I could even delete this rule (whatever it implies), you can think this is greed on this specific act, but at the end it fits the rules [in despite of the human factor at that time, which is now fixed] and that's the most important thing IMHO.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-09-10 16:38:26)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
You could also look for a player by using the chat bar and start the match if you estimate that he's not too strong (or sleepy) for you...
Thibault de Vassal (2014-10-27 20:44:31)
Tournaments rating ranges
Hello all,
As you may know, certain top tournaments are really too long to start... After a long wait, I finally decided to test this new rule:
12. Tournament rules
(...) Please note that the referee may change the rating ranges if a tournament takes too much time to start (such cases are quite rare).
As an example, for the tournament chess class SM, I just changed the low rating limit to 2300 only to find the 7th player. The rating limit will return to 2400 after that. This is not a good thing according to me but it may be the "less worst"... To be continued.
Feel free to tell what you think about this.
Garvin Gray (2014-10-28 23:52:30)
Tournaments rating ranges
The top class sm rating division should be abandoned. There are not enough players to fill it. It only started due to two ticketed players and dropping the rating limit.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-10-31 15:38:43)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
FICGS rules are based on current FIDE rules so I don't see any major change except I should specify this "default time" (which is the total time here, but in the WCH tournaments). Do you see anything else?
Thibault de Vassal (2014-10-31 15:40:17)
Tournaments rating ranges
Maybe a new low rating limit for class SM should be 2350... Any opinion?
Garvin Gray (2014-10-31 16:00:59)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
There have been quite a few changes. But considering our continual disagreements over many issues and the fact that apart from this event, I have walked away from this site, it is not my job to now go ahead and do your work for you.
I am not your research assistant. I offered you my advice many times over the years and in almost all occasions you flatly rejected them, or took so long to come around to them, that I have taken the decision to walk away from this site.
The new fide laws of chess have been on display since July 1 and have been confirmed in stages since then. I am not going to be your research assistant and now sit down and prepare a full document on what has changed and how it should be incorporated into this event- ESPECIALLY- when I know from your past form- that you will flat reject most, if not all, of my recommendations.
So I am not going to waste my time being your research assistant.
I have my own event to prepare for in 2015 and prepare the rules for in that event, which I am working through.
I can give you a word of warning though. If you think that the default time is the only major change, you are very wrong.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-10-31 19:46:59)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
I asked because you started the topic. I'm not sure why you did it in this context... but thank you anyway. I'm sorry to have disappointed you so many times but not applying some (most or not) suggestions doesn't mean it was not worth to study it, but you know my thought on all this already. Good luck with your tournaments!
Garvin Gray (2014-11-01 22:51:23)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
There was no context other than a very simple request. With the new rules now in operation, I was asking where do we find a copy or further information on what changes have taken place for this event that flow on from the changes to the laws.
The areas I was mainly concerned with are in relation to:
5 consecutive repetition of moves and 75 moves without a pawn move or capture. The arbiter can now step and force the draw, there does not need to be a player claim.
So will the server be updated to match this? There are quite a few other changes as well where current server practices do not match the new rules.
But as I said, it is your responsibility to make sure that the competition complies with the new rules if you advertise that your tournament follows the fide laws of chess where possible.
The reason for my stance is a very simple one. Over the years, on almost every single occassion, when I have made suggestions or recommendations to you, you have gone in the opposite direction in pretty much 100 percent of cases. Or even when you have claimed to 'agree' with my recommendation, you have then given the trial period such a short time to make it practically worthless.
The last saga in relation with Nick Burrows said to me that, except for the wch, I will no longer be playing on this site.
I can tell you directly, your handling of that issue lost you a long time member.
On the format of the wch, if I actually thought this format was fair and even gave me a shot of winning it, rather than being so heavily biased in favour of Eros Riccio winning it every time, to the point of being fixed, then I would use that as sole motivation to win it.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-11-02 14:19:06)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
About repetition and number of moves without a pawn move or capture, FICGS rules already specify that it does not apply here so there is no change to make.
The rest of your message explains the context I was talking about. But we don't have to agree on anything: As I explained when FICGS started and many times after that, I wanted to make it (particularly the championship cycle) different from what already exists (and closer to previous FIDE cycle). Obviously, you prefer the other way, that's not a big deal, and there is ICCF or LSS. I would have been ok to make a cup cycle if we had players enough but that's definitely not the case. What to add? There are many reasons why FICGS has quite few members (real names to start...) but there are well known advantages to this. Otherwise there are chess.com, gameknot, so many sites full of players. Finally, complaining players are probably the most important ones here because they constantly bring ideas. There was many many improvements in the first years and it did not go against the coherence of the site. Your cup cycle idea does not even go against the coherence of the original idea of the site, only the context is wrong here. Changing the WCH cycle for a ICCF-like one would be the worst thing to do in this point of view. But that's only a point of view.
Timofey Denisov (2014-11-04 05:21:48)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
Old FIDE cycle in championship match contained 24 games, not 12 :)
Thibault de Vassal (2014-11-04 19:44:07)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
I said "closer", not identical :) 24 games would have been way too much for players at this level, IMHO...
Timofey Denisov (2014-11-05 06:53:29)
July 1 2014 Fide laws of chess
I'm afraid advanced chess in top too drawish for 12 games :) Maybe first start 12, then "revolve" another 12: after end one of these 12 games server start 13th etc till 24? It won't too extend time of WCH, as I think. In worst case, it only doubles it.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-11-08 21:05:19)
Registered for Go WCH 12
Hello Jing,
The reason is you entered the waiting list after that the tournament started (deadline was november 1st)... You may have played it in case of a replacement but it seems there will be no spot this time, sorry about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2014-12-01 15:56:08)
Thematic tournaments?
Ah, the "famous" Norfolk Gambit of Nimzovich Attack, right?
Very interesting opening, indeed... So, next time!
Thibault de Vassal (2014-12-20 23:21:25)
Thematic tournaments?
Norfolk Gambit of Nimzovich Attack is in place... a very funny opening :)
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Thibault de Vassal (2015-01-09 20:46:20)
Eros Riccio on his win in 9th chess WCH
Eros Riccio kindly accepted to answer a few questions after his win in the 9th FICGS correspondence chess championship. Once again, his answers are worth to read... including probably a few surprises and valuable informations for most of us!
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- Hello again Eros. Congratulations for this new win! So you played Jeroen for the second time in a row, this time in the 12 games format. There were 12 draws but it does not mean a lot. How did things go?
--> Hi Thibault! Nice to answer your questions again :-) I managed to resist again Van Assche's assaults, this time he was well-determined to win, as he made me really suffer in a couple of games. The first game was a semislav, me as Black. He played a rare variation (starting with 14.Be2 followed by 15.Qd3) that was new to me. At first the engines were giving 0.00 evaluations, but after the move 22.Qg3 they started to realize that Black's position was difficult, and they kept increasing their evaluation in White's favor move after move. That was quite a scary thing to see, and I really thought that I could have lost the game. I had to use all the thinking time (leave included) to be able to resist. This new variation impressed me so much that I decided to use it as White myself as a surprise weapon, and in fact it allowed my engine on autoplay on my old I7 980x to win a lot of games as White and a 500 dollars prize getting first place in a strong tournament on Infinity Chess. The second game was a Spanish, me as White. After his 7...0-0 I decided to avoid the Marshall (that would have probably happened if I had played 8.c3) trying the AntiMarshall variation 8.d4. I am now convinced that this variation gives nothing good to White, but I didn't know that yet when I played it! Already after the rare strong move 11...c5! things were starting to get difficult for me. He simply continued with c4 and d5, getting space advantage with his Pawns on the Queenside, while I could find no attack at all on the Kingside. Again I had to be very careful to escape with a draw.
- What can you tell about your other results this year, particularly at ICCF where you're now ranked #9 with an outstanding rating of 2639 ?
--> My ICCF elo in the past few years has raised. Slowly, but it has raised. I had no defeats and a couple of wins in the Olympiads and European team tournaments started in 2012. I am satisfied of that, as winning nowadays in top correspondence tournaments is very difficult. Important is to remain undefeated.
- Last year, you said that you felt like your play was getting weaker each day because your machine was getting older, did you finally upgrade it? But maybe this is a secret...
--> No. As I wrote earlier, I haven't updated my machine. Fortunately cpu's general speed has kept increasing not as quickly as in the past, so my I7 980x can still compete.
- Did your vision of computer chess evolve after these last 18 months? What do you expect for the next years? Do you plan to become a chess cyborg? ^^
--> Fortunately for our hobby, computer chess isn't rushing towards the "all draws" situation that I talked about a couple of years ago. That's because, fortunately, increasing cpu's power and engine's strenght is getting more and more difficult. Yes, some main lines already lead to all draws often, but chess gives so many openings options that to avoid that, you can simply play subvariations. When played a lot, also subvariations will become main variations. Then again, when the draws rate gets too high, you just pick another less played opening. It will take many years to cover every opening to a high draws rate.
- Your next challenger is Peter W. Anderson, who made a convincingly path through the round-robin cycle before to defeat SM Igor Dolgov 5-3 in the 10th candidates final (by the way he's also playing the 11th candidates final). It seems that you never played him before. How do you feel this match? Do you have any words for your opponent before that the games start?
--> I am happy to play a new player! We have just started our match, again, all my first moves as White were 1.e4. What to say... it's up to him to avoid main lines as Black (he already did it answering with 1...g6 in three games) if he wants to try to win with the black pieces. But the real challenge for him of course will be to try to win with the White pieces. It will be interesting to see if he can find holes in my Black repertoire like Van Assche was able to do. Let's wait and see!
Garvin Gray (2015-01-10 17:24:43)
Class GM 3 and Rapid SM 12 entry rules
Currently I believe there are two players who have been allowed to enter two divisions who under the current rules are actually ineligible and their entries should be withdrawn.
The current rules state:
Tickets for a higher class tournament : However, when you win a rated tournament (only after that you receive an email specifying it or when the tournaments list shows your name as winner or co-winner of the tournament) or if your rating is at most 50 points below the low rating limit of the next class tournament's waiting list, it is now possible to buy a ticket for the next class tournament's waiting list (for example if you win a chess class A tournament, you may ask for a ticket for the next class M tournament) for 10 Epoints if the following conditions are filled : 1) No more than 2 players obtained the best score in the tournament. There's no winner otherwise. 2) The player's TER must not be more than 200 points below the low rating limit of the tournament's waiting list. 3) At most 2 players may buy a ticket to enter the same waiting list. 4) Five players at least must have entered the tournament's waiting list already so that you can buy a ticket for this tournament. 5) The possibility to buy a ticket is valid up to 1 year after the end of the won tournament and only after the official end of the tournament [when the tournaments list shows winners, not leaders of the tournament]. 6) As the price for any ticket is 10 Epoints, the player's account must be credited of at least 10 Epoints.
The key regulation- and I recall this because I had it included for a specific reason- is: 4) Five players at least must have entered the tournament's waiting list already so that you can buy a ticket for this tournament.
The reason for this regulation is that the division is meant for the players of those ratings and it is clear that having to players with ratings significantly lower than the minimum rating will reduce the chances of them entering.
So those using tickets are entered last, in positions 6 and 7, only after it becomes clear that the division can not be filled without them.
So under the published regulations, both players should be removed and put in their correct divisions.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-03-09 01:26:15)
FICGS freestyle chess superstars
Looks like our freestyle chess champions made it again at InfinityChess in a very tough engine-team tournament (finished 2nd tie but very near):
The team named "Freestyle Chess Superstars":
* Dracodaatson, GM Eros Riccio
* Spaghetti_Chess, IM Alberto Gueci
* Ultra-d, David Evans
* Maximus, Alvin Alcala (Team Captain)
Results and round-by-round results:
http://infinitychess.com/Web/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=208
http://www.infinitychess.com/Web/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=205
Congrats guys :)
Thibault de Vassal (2015-04-15 14:17:15)
FICGS__GO__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000010
Hello Andrew.
Well, just like Eros Riccio in a few chess championships, Yen-Wei Huang won both preliminary tournament and previous final match, so he didn't have to defend his title (he should have played against himself).
Bogoljub Teverovski (2015-05-04 14:04:57)
Thematic tournaments?
Current thema (French) has no entries. It's time to replace it and to announce Noteboom (or Winawer gambit).
Thibault de Vassal (2015-05-11 12:37:25)
rating update May 1st? when?
Ah, I didn't see your post before... Yes, the rating list was updated on May 6th. I simply was distracted by the emails issue that occured around may 1st and took me a few days.
Ilmars Cirulis (2015-05-19 16:37:59)
Thematic Suggestion: Traxler
Yes, time flows fast. Damn. :)
Sometimes still analyzing it. I wouldn't want to play Traxler against myself. Black usually has to find draw (they can hope) in some boring endgame.
Peter W. Anderson (2015-06-14 17:52:04)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
I recently played in an Infinity Chess freestyle event and was impressed by one of their tiebreak rules. If scores were tied a player got a bonus if he had stalemated an opponent.
I would like to suggest this is adopted in the matches (not tournaments) in the FICGS world championship and that is it the first tiebreak rule applied, i.e before ratings and whether wins or only draws have been played. I would also suggest it is adopted for the title matches too. Perhaps it could be introduced from the 15th cycle onwards or even in existing cycles (11 to 14) where a match has not begun.
This seems a very fair tiebreak rule to me, which would normally reflect who overall played better (came closer to winning) in a drawn match, especially where all games are drawn.
The only disadvantage I can see to this rule is that it would prolong games as some that would currently be agreed drawn would in future be played through to stalemate.
On the other hand it would get us thinking hard about which drawn endgames lead to stalemate and which don't and that in itself is quite interesting.
Joe Myers (2019-06-07 00:46:11)
The 3d will not work,
Every time I try to go to the 3d it turns to the 3d board, but the board is black the peices are black and it's way too hard to see
Peter W. Anderson (2015-07-02 16:20:58)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Yes, this could be a small but deep change. Perhaps some drawing opening lines would be less attractive because they will lead to stalemate. I see that as a good thing as it will lead to more fighting chess.
As nobody has objected perhaps it should be implemented :)
Pablo Schmid (2015-07-02 20:32:45)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
I am against that rule. Giving a bonus for stalemate is almost like playing for stalemating your opponent, which is not the aim of the game and this would change the game deeply.
Pablo Schmid (2015-07-06 00:03:04)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
If we think about the stalemate logic, 2 knight vs 1 knight would be a draw by repetition or move limit if there is no stalemate or knight exchange. But can one bishop or one knight + king force a stalemate vs king alone? Anyway this is not chess anymore, many endings would be artificially become lost, for example king vs king + pawn, pawn a c f h vs queen, and many 1 piece vs 1 piece + pawn.
Peter W. Anderson (2015-07-09 09:35:12)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
I have avoided commenting further on this idea because I wanted to see what other people had to say. But now I will reply to the points made.
“Giving a bonus for stalemate is almost like playing for stalemating your opponent, which is not the aim of the game and this would change the game deeply.”
As I said I am against a points bonus, but am in favour of using stalemates for tie breaks. The real question is would someone start a game aiming for stalemate as opposed to start the game trying to win? I am not sure how you would do that – either way you have to try to build up an advantage and if it gets big enough it will lead to mate and if it is not quite big enough it might lead to stalemate. Anyone who gets the choice between a win and stalemate will presumably always take the win.
The one way I think this will really affect the game is by discouraging some very deeply analysed defences that are known to drawn or close to drawn but will almost certainly lead to stalemate. Personally I think this is a good thing, but I accept that the opposite view could be taken :)
“I think you overlooking a little that a good defense leading to stalemate means showing great skill. It´s not all about luck.”
Reaching stalemate as the defending side can be very simple (e.g. king and pawn vs king) or can indeed show great skill. It is almost never down to luck. In the case where great skill is shown that skill earns you half a point instead of no points. Nonetheless, the very fact that you needed great skill to save the game shows how close you came to losing, so I see no reason not to use this as a tiebreak rule.
“And stalemating gamepoints definitely will favour stupid engine playing and not human thinking with endgame skill”.
Like Pablo, I think quite the opposite is true. In fact one of my motivations for suggesting the change was to increase the human element in the game.
“According to me, stalemating an opponent (or having King + Bishop vs. King) reflects who played better ONLY IF rules say it before the game. In some cases, it actually reflects a better play, but in some others, it only shows that the stalemated player (or naked king) found a clever way to draw the game by giving the opponent the illusion of an advantage. Isn't it quite subjective after all?”
I have some sympathy for this viewpoint. If we could play perfect chess and at the start of the game someone decided to take the draw by allowing themselves to be stalemated then that would be a very good example supporting that view. However, I think the reality is different. In most cases when someone gets stalemated (or would be stalemated if the game was played through to its conclusion) it is because they have got a worse position and have little choice if they want to save the game.
If the defending side could achieve a draw by stalemate or by other means, then under today’s rules they could choose either way. Under my proposed rules they might be wise to choose the other method, unless of course they were confident of achieving more wins in the match.
“Maybe the games become more interesting if instead give small extra score for win with black!? Encourage black to play for a better score, just as UEFA do in football.”
This might be helpful for tournaments but I don’t think it helps at all for match play. In reality, if you can win just one game in a match you will most likely win the match. Therefore you don’t need a bonus to play for a win with black in a match situation.
However, I think this point indirectly touches on an issue with match play and how hard people try to win, and I do think the stalemate tiebreak rules would help a little with this.
The problem as it stands is that the higher rated player (or the champion in the case of the tile match) knows that if all games are drawn he will win the match. The higher rated player (or champion) can therefore take a low risk approach to the match, with both black and white (actually I think the low risk approach with white is just as much a problem).
If the higher rated player (or champion) was not certain that all draws would win them the match then they would probably try harder to win. This would give a better chance of decisive games in matches.
One way of a achieving this would be through a toss of a coin if the match is tied with all draws. Personally I would not find this satisfactory.
Whilst the likelihood of stalemate is quite low, it will nonetheless be there, so this rule might encourage the higher rated player or champion to try harder for a win.
I will speak from personal experience on this matter. In most of my recent matches I have been the higher rated player. I still play some relatively risky defences as black (e.g. the modern against 1.e4) and I always try to win with white. However, I have to be honest, if I am the higher rated player, I do not always play the very sharpest lines as white and I do not often play some of my riskier defences to 1.d4. If the stalemate tiebreak rule was in place, I would be taking more chances with both white and black.
So whilst I accept that it is not perfect, I still think the stalemate tie-break rule is a good idea. However, as nobody else has spoken out in favour of it I accept that it is very unlikely to be implemented and I won’t write any more on this matter unless someone asks me a direct question. It is time to concentrate on my matches under the existing rules! :)
Scott Nichols (2015-07-10 20:56:39)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
IMO the only true tiebreak is a playoff with the time controls shortening after each 2 games until one side wins. I know this is not possible with most tournaments. Certainly someone who "tied" for first, but lost the prize on tiebreaks is not going to tell people they finished second. Lots of sports have playoffs, golf, football etc. Because for the romantic, a tie is like nothing, it's not a true win.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-07-11 02:18:11)
E. Riccio on his win in the 10th CC WCH
Once again, Eros kindly answered a few questions after his win in the 10th FICGS correspondence chess championship. His answer on tie break rules meets the discussion in this thread:
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=forum_read&id=11773
____________________________
- Hello Eros and congrats again for this new win in the FICGS correspondence chess championship! This time, your opponent was Peter W. Anderson and you're playing him once again in the next final match. Actually, all games finished in less than 3 months, which looks like superfast, how did it happen?
Hello once again Thibault! Yes, the match with Anderson was very quick. The reasons are that he moves very fast, and like me, I don't seem to remember that he took any day of leave.
Also, our games were not played until the very end; many draws were agreed with many pieces on the board, as soon as we thought that none of us had winning chances.
- For many players, it is quite impossible to beat you in such a 12 games match (probably because of the tie rule). After all these won matches do you start to think that the advantage is too big?
It's a fact that a very high percentage of correspondence games played at the top level ends up in a draw... (and that percentage is even higher in my case, as my strategy is to avoid taking risks) so yes, talking against my interests, I think that something in the rules should be changed.
- By the way, your opponent suggested an interesting tie rule in the forum ( Chess, Poker & Go forum - Topic 11773 ), in the context of more general new ideas for correspondence chess rules (e.g. article by GM Arno Nickel - Correspondence Chess – the draw problem ) in order to increase the interest of the game. Do you have any opinion on all this?
The idea GM Nickel launched could be interesting, even if before we can say for sure if it can be applied in serious tournaments, it needs to be tested.
If I understood correctly, having a piece more in a draw endgame, after the game is over, a little plus on the score would be given to the player who had the small advantage.
I always thought like: How unfair! That player had King and two Knights against a lone King of his opponent... still he only got a half point anyway! Or even worse, in theory, one player could have this position: King in e1, Bishop in h1 and 6 Pawns from h2 to h7. (Black King in h8) Counting the value of pieces that would be a a +9 advantage, like a Queen more, but still it would be a draw. Another crazy scenario, more common, are those blocked positions were 16 pawns block the center (or more simply any fortress position) and not rarely it happens that a color has a huge material advantage but can't break through in any way. In this last case the player with material disadvantage could have found a genial idea to reach that blocked position, should his opponent with extra pieces still be given an advantage after the game?
Another important consideration is that this rule could discourage attacking players to play gambits or make sacrifices, as if the attack fails, their efforts to try to win would be punished! This last case would even increase the draw rate.
Probably Nickel didn't talk about giving a plus after games finished with advantage but still many pieces on board, anyway those positions (except the 16 Pawns one) could very well be played on until only one piece would be left.
After these examples we can see that there are so many different ways that a position with material advantage can be reached... but it's not always fair that the player with the advantage should be given a plus after the game. As a paradox, an advantage should be given to the opponent if he smartly managed to sacrifice one or more pieces in order to reach a draw endgame which he would have lost if he didn't give away material.
- Of course, the level of chess programs is for much in it. Do you feel that high level correspondence chess and centaur chess evolved much this year, or did it reach a kind of peak?
The level of correspondence chess increases in a parallel way as computers, databases and chess programs improve. Slowly everything keeps improving. Of course, due to the more thinking time, correspondence chess will always have a higher draw percentage than blitz games played by computers.
- Finally, what can you tell us about your correspondence chess path this year, particularly at ICCF where you're currently ranked #13?
On ICCF I am fighting with the Italian Team (I am playing in second board behind the World Champion Finocchiaro) in the 9th European Team Championship.
---> https://www.iccf.com/event?id=44123
Scott Nichols (2015-07-11 20:22:09)
Just curious, 2 questions
Hi Thib, I just wondered if you made your own Big Chess set? Also, I wish to know why the "fold" is whited out in poker. I know it's because it doesn't cost anything to call, but sometimes I want to fold anyway (to muck), so he don't see the awful cards I was betting on, :)
Thibault de Vassal (2015-07-12 01:04:29)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
I'm afraid Jan is right... and Eros says it himself, he takes no risk! So it's not only a question of a drawish game in the context of chess engines, but also of a drawish behaviour. Unless starting playing Go, we'll probably have to change many important rules in chess to make it really exciting again.
Pablo Schmid (2015-07-12 02:09:18)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Here is most examples of my ficgs practice (corr and Advanced chess). This represent a low percentage of my games. These games are food for thought from my own assisted experience against that rule that I call "+1 decisive advantage chess". I believe you could already burn a lot of chapters in ending's book. Most of my games show balanced games until the end, sometime, the "punished guy" could have played another drawing defense, sometimes not, unfairly to me. The game would be more safe, with less sacrifices of piece vs 2 or 3 pawns and things like that because of fearing an ending with king vs king + piece or king vs king + pawn even if the sacrifice was sound and well played.
Game 22895 and 84758 I would probably have been punished by the rule in the ending of game 22895 (and my opponent in the other game), and that type of ending in general (piece + pawn up vs piece when the king cannot block the pawn).
Game 37122 Shame on me, my advantage in that ending was not sufficient to force my opponent to sacrifice his bishop for my last pawn. This is why I only deserve 0,5!
Game 37920 That king of pawns vs piece + pawn would become lost for the player without the piece, what a way of punish some balanced sacrifices for pawns!
Game 54907 and 20704 That kind of opposite bishop ending would be "lost" for the guy pawnless even if the transition into an inferior but drawn ending was the intention of the "inferior guy".
Game 74870 The ending is perfectly balanced but my opponent couldn't finish the game the way he did because of the rule.
Game 74875 I would have been half-losing in the pawn ending after a nice defense in an interesting unbalanced material line.
Game 74880 the ending knight + h pawn would have been "half losing" for me even if we can't say that I was clearly worse overall.
Game 76734 and 76764 Technichally this game is not directly concerned by the rule but it is very close. I was on the verge of defeat but I have managed to defend stubornely. If he have played well to get a winning position and then the win disapear because of bad play but still finish with a draw, he would get a bonus because he played better overall? The way I managed to defend would not be rewarded?
Game 77809 In this game the whole deep opening line would probably be "half losing" for Black in the ending because of the new rule.
Game 80954 Suddenly it seems that I would have been punished for my defense in the final position.
Game 85106 I did not play specially badly but... I would have been punished for my way of finishing the game!
Alvin Alcala (2015-08-03 04:08:40)
Improving netiquette rules
I'm in favor of suspension like what other servers do.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-08-03 16:38:07)
Improving netiquette rules
You mean all other servers do choose that option?
Scott Nichols (2015-08-04 18:39:05)
Improving netiquette rules
People who abuse etiquette rules, for example one that bugs me is when a player who is going to lose, just lets his clock run out. This NEEDS to be punished in public or private. Such as a one month suspension for EACH occurance
And IMO suspensions should be handed out here. But do it in stages, like one month, then 3 months and then permanent. It's up to Thib to decide if an infraction has occured.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-08-05 14:49:46)
Improving netiquette rules
But how do you know if this player has no good reasons for not playing in this particular case? Obviously, there may be something like 20% chance, maybe more, anyway there is a chance... or (at a much lower level / without computer assistance) he may even not know that he's definitely losing... I saw such cases happening and I'm 99% sure that actually there were good reasons in half of these cases at least.
And after how many days one could say there is a netiquette abuse? This is a really tough path IMO.
Scott, what do you think about this public remark? Is this also a netiquette abuse according to you?
Scott Nichols (2015-08-05 17:11:02)
Improving netiquette rules
Yes the remark in public was wrong also. There is not much to do if a player lets his clock run out instead of resigning. Just wouldn't play them anymore unless you get paired in a tour.
I've seen games where the player resigns and then finds out later he could have won. But this is common I'm sure.
As for the suspension IMO Thib has the right to do as he sees fit, he is always fair, and even if I disagree sometimes I find out later he was right, :)
Thibault de Vassal (2015-08-06 01:38:48)
Improving netiquette rules
Thank you Scott! Goes right in the heart.
Just trying to find the "best" way, this is really hard in some cases (e.g. such case), that's why help and discussion are always welcome ^^
About this case, I think I'm still following my line (also strongly suggested by Gino during the first months of FICGS) that human decision should be reduced to the minimum. It is obvious that it demands strong rules and patience to all players (particularly during a possible Dead Man Defence)... Here, it is important to check if the "insulting" aspect is subjective enough or not, I must say I don't feel qualified to say it. I had to make a decision by myself, but I'd prefer being able to read it in the rules next time.
Alfonso Di Giandomenico (2015-08-18 13:28:05)
Number of tournament won
in statistic (FICGS statistic are great!), I think, this item is not clear.
I think is an important element.
Scott Nichols (2015-08-24 00:07:26)
Number of tournament won
We need more stats! :) Like all the stats you have, plus, the same stats but just for the last two months. This will tell us what has been going on LATELY, not since the beginning of time, :) Biggest rating gains, etc. Love stats!
Garvin Gray (2015-09-26 11:36:01)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
I see this topic is being discussed again, or was. I notice that Eros has not actually won a game against an opponent since match 4.
This means, unless results are missing, that he has not beaten successive opponents the matches since. All this shows is that he is the equal of the players he is put up against and it is the champion retains the title that allows him to stay where he is.
This then results in the nature of play we see, which is defensive.
I proposed back quite a whilst ago that the format should be changed for the final match to 8 games, and then if the result is 4-4, the remaining 4 games are played.
Disclaimer- I come from a position that I believe that Eros should be made to show that he is the best player on this site.
He has drawn too many matches with all drawn games for this to continue and I do not believe this is a healthy situation for the site and it needs to change.
Jan Ohlin (2015-09-27 12:31:32)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
As in fotboll once in a time, to many corner kicks gave a penalty... :)
Thibault de Vassal (2015-09-30 23:46:19)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
And I'll say it once more :) FIDE made a choice that may have given more chances to everyone, I agree with that, but it seems to me that the chess world championship lost its aura & legend, just like world champions (IMHO). Also, results are a direct consequence of rules, it does not mean that Eros does not deserve his place (IMO), he certainly would have played differently in a round robin. Finally, FIDE WCH is round robin, ICCF WCH is round robin, why everything should be round robin?
Scott Nichols (2015-10-01 14:55:14)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
It's pretty simple IMO. Make each year unique, no seeding. Everybody has to play from the start, prelims, semi's and finally a RR final. One thing I would add is a under 2000 and over 2000 ch's.
Alvin Alcala (2015-10-02 18:37:50)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
In case of a tie let them play a tie-breaker game with accelerated time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-10-08 18:11:38)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Your idea is attractive Garvin! But, it is a question of time also, and organisation of championships cycles... I don't see a satisfying solution with this one.
Scott's idea looks like the original FICGS cup's idea... and ICCF WCH. Just one more correspondence chess RR championship.
Alvin's idea is exactly what a correspondence chess champ. should avoid (IMHO), I mean server or internet provider problems... It would be a shame that it decides a winner (like it may have happened in freestyle tournaments). Also, this is just not correspondence chess anymore.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-10-08 18:14:00)
Alvin Alcala wins Ultimate Chess Champ.
Alvin just won another freestyle tournament, congrats :)
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Alvin Alcala (2015-10-08 18:16:29)
Alvin Alcala wins Ultimate Chess Champ.
Thanks Thib!
Garvin Gray (2015-10-09 16:57:51)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Thib: I have not replied to this topic since my last comment for two reasons. 1) Nothing new to add 2) I had seen Scott's comment and was rather upset by it as I saw the danger in it. This discussion, in my opinion, is about one topic only.
We have discussed the ficgs world cup and other formats before, and can again, but this discussion is for one item only, so I did not want to contribute in any way to derailing the discussion. So I decided to refrain from comment as I had nothing to add.
To respond to your comments Thib- timing of the championship cycles will always be an issue, no matter the format. Regardless if you use 12 straight games, my format, or Alvin's. Or any other version.
We already have different groups starting at different times, and the final starting at different times to the other groups. This is just how things happen. It is possible that the final could be over in 8 games and in a shorter time period and time gained.
I think this format is worth trying for at least one cycle. That is also what happens with the otb world championship. There are format changes from time to time. Some are successful, some are not. Matches used to be 24 games in length. Now they are 12 games. One was played as an 8 player double round robin.
Things change as the environment changes.
Garvin Gray (2015-10-09 17:00:06)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
A second proposal to reduce the effect of draw odds- increase the total number of games that start at the same time from 12 to 16.
Scott Nichols (2015-10-09 20:04:30)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
"Also, this is just not correspondence chess anymore." Times and technology have changed dramiticaly, why can't we change with it?
Garvin Gray (2015-10-14 15:17:26)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Jan: Eros has clearly stated that he has used the advantage of draw odds by playing defensively and by playing for draws, knowing he only needs to draw all the games to retain the title.
So he knows he does not need to win the match to retain the title and has used the rules to their full effect. Of course this is his right and well done to him, but it is also the organisers and rule makers duty to change the rules when the circumstances are no longer in the interest of the event as a whole.
If all 12 games in each match had been blood and guts affairs, and a few games had been won, but the eventual score was 6-6, then this whole conversation would probably not be happening.
But when only ONE, I REPEAT ONE, game has been won in the last eight matches, and Eros has managed to retain the title each title, it is clear that the rules need to change.
I have made two clear proposals. As illustrated above, it is not a case in the previous matches that all the games were hard fought, so your argument that adding four extra games would be onerous in the final match.
Yes, it could produce an effect of more drawn games from short draws, but then if this the case, then all players should be warned the organisers will be forced to seriously consider introducing no draw agreements before move 30 without the agreement of the arbiter.
Again, this is what occurs when the players make it clear they are determined not to win their games.
Garvin Gray (2015-10-17 14:19:12)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
This is different to my Ficgs world cup proposal, which had clear goals in mind.
In my opinion, this just seems like one big round robin and once the games start, it will be rather difficult to feel like the games are anything special, unless the field is red hot.
And a big fat no to the standard time control. Lengthen the rapid type time control if you wish, but do not use the standard type time control.
30 days plus 3 days per move should be satisfactory.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-10-17 18:23:12)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Yes, we may use an intermediate time control, any idea on this is welcome.
Scott Nichols (2015-10-19 21:03:30)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
10 days plus one day per move is my preferred time control.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-10-19 22:52:25)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Scott, you could really play 32 games more at this speed? Are you such a machine? :) That's inhuman, IMO.
Scott Nichols (2015-10-20 00:12:22)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I had over 80 games going steady for over 10 years at the fastest time control offered. Probably not as unusual as you think.
Clodomiro Ortiz (2015-10-21 09:47:50)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I agree with the ten days+one day per move format,but if considered too rapid i suggest a 20 days+one day per move time control..as you know, several players tend to extent games almost endlessly when fall into unfavorable positions,,
Thibault de Vassal (2015-10-23 22:10:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Could someone copy-paste Garvin's original idea for the cup tournament? I'm not sure which thread deals with it (even if I think I remember the main scheme)...
By the way, I agree with your points Garvin, finally question is what tournament do we want? ... Surely we'll have many different answers. Multi-rounds tournaments bring many problems (first is IMO that next rounds start-date still surprise many players), that's what I thought one round could be interesting. Also, it looks like a big challenge with a fast result. But I agree that many top players would think twice before to enter it, but wouldn't they do the same in a multi-round similar event? To be continued.
Timofey Denisov (2015-10-23 12:22:09)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
10 days start + 3 days for move, I think :)
Garvin Gray (2015-10-23 13:11:56)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I think this whole discussion has missed the original point of why I made the original proposal for the ficgs world cup.
It was to give players who were in the 2100 to 2200 and below more opportunities against players rated 2300 and above, whilst still also giving the top players something to play for ie the tournament win.
So the original concept was that there was no knockout groups, or starting final match, but instead that all players started from round one, and then everyone had to qualify for round two from there, with only the winners to advance at each stage.
The format above could have even taken over from the waiting lists we currently have, which struggle to be filled, as they give more purpose.
Instead, what is being proposed now, is just one big round robin. As someone who has just organised a round robin event, I can assure you, soon after the games have started, the players will soon forget which games are for the world cup, and which are their World championship games, and which are their Rapid SM, or Rapid M games.
Next, the strength of the field. For this event to work with the monster round robin, it really does need most of the top players competing. How can this be ensured to make it a worthwhile event?
Related to this- the time control. Very few serious correspondence chess players are going to sign up to a time control of 10 days initial time when they potentially have 31 games.
Remember, this is meant to be one of FICGS main events on the calendar. That is at least how I view it.
The time control should be 30 days plus 3 days per move if the format is single round robin with 32 or so players.
I still believe the original proposal of mine is the one that should be adopted, not the single round robin that is being discussed now.
I will not be playing in the single round robin.
Sebastian Boehme (2015-10-24 00:57:15)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
What about to make it easier for most players, split the big round tournament into an A and a B group as preliminaries of say 16 players.
And so oh then the final groups the best 8 of each winner group go to the Final and the last 8 players of each group go to the B final?
This in my opinion could ease a lot for players and still would be challenging.
Stephane Legrand (2015-10-24 07:54:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
why not doing Sebastian's proposal and
Garvin's proposal (maybe with a shorter time control)
and you'll see ...
Thibault de Vassal (2015-10-27 23:03:32)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Hi Garvin... Surely not!
Well, just read your cup idea again, here are my thoughts:
- In my opinion, in both ways, top players will probably ignore such a tournament. So, the challenge point may be most important.
- In my opinion, the 33 players round robin is even more simple (and avoiding complicate cases depending on the number of entries), more different from FICGS WCH, faster (no choice to make about playing 2 cycles at once) and with more chances of clear victory, but does it really bring something in both cases? Quite subjective at the end.
Alvin Alcala (2015-10-29 16:55:49)
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Bogoljub Teverovski (2015-11-01 12:25:11)
Thematic tournaments?
It's time to switch from Noteboom thematic to Traxler or to King's Gambit
Scott Nichols (2015-11-10 14:37:41)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
This is all just re-hashing the Wch event. All that needs to be done is 1. Have a tie-break playoff. Each round of (2) games having a shorter time control until a win is reached. 2. There should be no returning champion privileges. Everyone will have to start from the beginning with the final 8 players qualified for a double RR to determine champion.
Herbert Kruse (2015-11-15 19:43:01)
repetition wrong in ficgs
i just had a game drawn, but it was wrong, because only 2 times the same side was on the move
i am angry!
Herbert Kruse (2015-11-15 19:53:42)
repetition wrong in ficgs
wikipedia
the threefold repetition rule (also known as repetition of position) states that a player can claim a draw if the same position occurs three times, or will occur after their next move, with the same player to move.
Sergey Zemlyanov (2015-11-16 22:09:27)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Hi all. I try to express my opinion.
The main idea of mass round-robin tournament is good but
I think that the strong players might reject it.
As it seems, I see 2 different ways here:
1st. To have a strong tournament with top players.
2nd. To have a mass tournament just for fun.
In order to organize the 1st tournament you should do the next things:
1. To set up money prizes for winners (more prizes -> more top players might be interested in).
2. To send out invitations for players by email and etc.
3. The time control should not be too fast here if you want a qualitative games
and good tournament.
4. About splitting into the groups.
4.1 Semifinal stage.
I offer to play several qualifying semifinal rounds with 2-3 chessplayers coming into the Final stage.
For example, we have 50 players. So we can create 5 Semifinal groups with 10 players in each with 3 coming out places for the Final.
The time control here I offer 10+2/21 with vacation.
4.2 The Final stage.
I offer 15 players for the Final stage and 14 games for everyone,
or, another variant is 7-8 finalists and 14-16 games with color change for everyone.
About the 2nd tournament my opinion is:
1. To set up money prizes depending on entry fees, for each player.
2. To play mass round robin tournament with 1 game against each player
with faster time control, 10+1/21 for example.
In 1st variant you need to find a contributor to organize the tournament.
But it should be interesting. The 2nd variant with entry fees is interesting too, I think.
AMICI SUMUS,
Sergey Zemlyanov.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-11-17 02:34:49)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Why not a deadline... with a few more opinions, I think it will be possible (if it goes in one direction more than another)!
Anyway, we see that new opinions bring more and more questions and differences :)
On Sergey's points: First of all, I must say that if I could have brought bigger prizes for tournaments, there wouldn't have been such discussions, the whole thing (WCH particularly) would probably work better... but this is not the case, unfortunately :/
As I already said, multi-rounds tournaments are not compatible with longer time controls, and that's a pity. That's why I proposed a 1 round big tourney with a longer time control, but many players seem to be used to the rapid (or even faster) one. Finally, the schedule you propose looks like Garvin's one.
Ian Zimmerman (2015-11-18 16:59:23)
Feature request
Something still missing on this site, is the ability to sort games by time of last move. This is very useful for players who keeps their own records of games offline, as almost all experienced correspondence players do. All of the following sites have the feature: ICCF, SchemingMind, ChessWorld.
Alternatively, if you want to be innovative, here is something that would do the same job even more efficiently: have an extra flag (call it ACK) stored with each game, and allow filtering by ACK. Display ACK next to each game as a checkbox. Set ACK automatically in one and exactly one situation: when the *opponent* moves.
This way, when I turn on the filter, I can see at a glance all the games where my opponent *just* moved, and I clear ACK by clicking on the checkbox as I update my offline database for each game.
Firhan Firhansyah (2015-11-19 01:02:25)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I like a tournament with short time control about 1 - 3 days per move. And i more like with big prizes
Garvin Gray (2015-12-02 09:32:52)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
In regards to point 1) I have never made any comments in regards to any of the other knockout matches other than the final match involving Eros.
I have made no proposals to change the format of those matches.
My only proposal is in regards to Eros's final match.
2) The ficgs world cup concept in my original format- if fully implemented, is in fact, dramatically different from the ficgs wch, and has little similarity to it.
What I could see it do though, if popular, is it might make some of the division groups less enticing to enter.
In my opinion, that would just be site evolution. If the high majority of the site prefer- ficgs wch, ficgs world cup and some of the divisions (or one style of the divisions), then an important discovery has been made that is beneficial to the membership.
Scott Nichols (2015-12-07 17:34:23)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
The entry fee changes everything for the better IMO. That cuts out the non-serious players. The time controls to me make a difference simply because of advanced age. (will I die before this is finished?) Of course for me, none of it matters since I already retired from CC. Zero games going, yay. What did it for the me was the constant arguing for longer time controls. In the old days of snail mail, that had a point, but not now.
Scott Nichols (2015-12-08 01:22:21)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
The 32 players were fine. Time controls (a little long for my taste, but...) are even OK. I had 2 big beefs with the wch. 1. playing a 1400 that just bought a new comp that NOW plays 2000+. If I beat him--0 rating points, draw--I lose many points, etc. 2. The "seeding" of players is not fair IMO, everybody should start at the start line. then the winner can feel much more proud to repeat as champion. I actually may win an ICCF semi-final (#45349), one more game needs to finish. I was seeded 10th of 11 players when it started. I mention this because in far too many of the Wch games were drawn much too early IMO. In ICCF, at least my tour's, the games were fought much longer, down to less than 10 pieces quite often. I looked at this last one and they are calling it a draw in the middlegame. I ask WHY? Just because it's 0.00 for a while, so what? It's the WORLD CH.! How many chances will a player get the opportunity? Each game should be fought to the death. Eros is very busy and has to be getting on in years, make him WORK for it! Sorry to ramble, just a few thoughts...
Herbert Kruse (2015-12-14 10:04:54)
repetition wrong in ficgs
ok, i will test it now, i make a move and have 3 times the same position, but antonov has to move now, before i was my turn 2 times
Garvin Gray (2015-12-14 10:41:45)
TER rating calculation
Herbert, remember, rating is also only calculated at the end of two months based on all the games you have finished in that two month period and is a performance rating of those games.
In fact, from looking at the example given from just this one game, if it was based on just this one game only and using only the ratings at the time of the game, then you would have a rating of 2420 and your opponent would have a rating of 2400, then your rating difference would be larger than the TER of 2400, so in fact by drawing the game, you would lose more than 1 point.
So the TER calculation has helped you, rather than hindered you, in THIS CASE.
Thibault de Vassal (2015-12-17 00:19:38)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I'm considering! (takes some time as usual :)) I'm still not able to make a solid opinion on this.
Scott Nichols (2016-01-02 23:14:06)
Social networking site.
Thib, I signed for the first time a couple of months ago and see some uses. I forgot the name of your site and was wondering it could give us a short brief? Thanks
Jan Ohlin (2016-01-06 09:34:33)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I usually prefer the simple, easy to understand solutions. We have not yet fully tested using reliable gambit openings alternatively closed openings and if it does not feel good with the other proposals, as then, there is still no reason to rush off
Jan Ohlin (2016-01-06 17:56:41)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Please calm down, Garvin. There is plenty of time to consider which will be the best decision.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-01-07 19:33:20)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Garvin, we agree on that but I would be surprised if the entry fee would not divide the number of players by a factor of about 2, maybe 3 ... if we have about 70 players in the case without an entry fee, you can imagine the problem with: we would be sometimes able to launch a 1-round tournament (2 RR rounds for from 25 to 32 players would be strange IMO), sometimes not. If we choose no entry fee, the problem is solved, otherwise we must figure out several cases.
Garvin Gray (2016-01-08 00:55:45)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
For the stages concept:Without an entry fee, it will be critically important to go from advertising start, to entry close to competition start and games playing at a fast rate. They can not be allowed to sit around and gather dust.
The longer the time period between when players sign up and when they actually have to play, the more chance that some will not actually end up playing. Hence the discussion of a commitment factor (entry fee).
I have no issues with a no entry fee event, just that if we go with a no entry fee event, it needs to go from ENTRY OPENING DATE to start in a quick period of time to reduce the number of non players.
Herbert Kruse (2016-01-09 22:36:31)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
my ideas:
no change in running cycles, but the new one´s should be with lesser time and more games per opponnent
Jan Ohlin (2016-01-11 06:30:26)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Lesser time and more games per opponent in connection with more difficult openings to handle for chess programs, could be crucial so chess skills will decide, not computer skills.
Garvin Gray (2016-01-17 15:44:55)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Alexis Alban: I apologise if my reply seems a little bit harsh, but are you entering the conversation half way through and have not read the entire thread and preceding discussions?
This thread deals solely with the FICGS World championship and its format, mainly in particular with what happens with drawn matches in the knockout stages.
No one has suggested AT ALL, that the champion has to start again from the beginning (from round one).
That format, what I really wish Thibault would get started on with starting, is from the FICGS world cup, which is a different tournament entirely. It is a completely different structure, with different aims. If you wish to debate that tournament, please move your discussion to that thread.
I am really am trying to work hard to try and prevent thread drift.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-01-18 02:47:01)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Garvin, a few more questions (do not worry, this tournament will exist & it will start this year!), according to your rules, how would you plan stage 1 & stage 2 if we have let's say 73 players for the first edition, and 103 for the second one? I mean the number of players in each tournament for the 2 stages.
Then, well... maybe this FICGS cup should have started at the very beginning of FICGS. I just didn't think that it would be useful and I'm still not sure but anyway, as a new FICGS WCH starts every 8 months, shouldn't it start 4 months after each WCH cycle? The waiting list for the next WCH will be open in a few days already. Shouldn't we take a few more time and do it best?
Garvin Gray (2016-01-18 09:53:00)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I take you mean if in Ficgs World Cup 1 (FWC1) we got 73 players, then in Ficgs World Cup 2 we got 103 players?
Is that correct?
If that is correct, then in FWC1, using a number of 73 players, it would be 4 groups of 10, 3 groups of 11.
For the second stage (finals)= I know this might be a bit controversial, but I think the TER rule should be dropped and those who tie for first should progress. Since we have seven groups, that should mean at the most eleven players in the final.
This will have the by-product in the round robin games of everyone knowing that if they can finish outright first, they knockout everyone from their group immediately.
In FWC2- With 103 players, same format, just more groups.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-01-19 00:25:30)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Yes, correct. Thanks for this answer!
Isn't it a problem that in a few groups, half players take White one time more than Black? ... and some to have one game/opponent less than in other groups? (by the way, a bit harder to code/launch the games)
These points (equity) were always of first importance to me in all tournaments and I don't remember having seen this elsewhere (but I can be wrong, I'm not used to ICCF tournaments, for example). What do you think? Why is it such a problem for you to wait a few more days to "complete" a waiting list? Please note that I'm not really opposed to this idea, I just want to be sure that not all players disagree with this.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-01-19 20:24:05)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Okay, that makes sense to me. Well, I'm going to write the rules page for this cup tournament, I'll post it here very soon.
One more question, what would be the limit under which there should be only one round (e.g. less than 33 players -> 32 games per player) according to you?
Alexis Duenas (2016-01-21 15:45:42)
Emails from FICGS
i do not received emails from ficgs last time i received was before wch started but not now
Alexis Duenas (2016-01-21 15:53:15)
Emails from FICGS
but i receive every time i register for a tournament and when the tourneys starts
Thibault de Vassal (2016-01-27 00:38:13)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Ok, I agree with that.
Here is a first try for FICGS cup rules:
"FICGS world cup championship is a multi stages tournament. All players who entered the waiting list are involved in single round-robin tournaments (2 stages or more will probably be necessary). All games during the whole cycle are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Stockfish, Houdini, Rybka...) is allowed and encouraged in cup tournaments. Norms are possible according to FICGS general rules.
Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5 to 33 players (most probably 7 to 13). The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. In case of equality, the player with most wins (and if necessary the player with the lowest tournament entry rating, then the lowest current rating) among the best scores, is declared winner and qualified for the next stage if any. Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. There will be no replacements in these tournaments.
In the case of a withdrawal, the games won't be rated if a player warns the referee before the tournament starts and at most 15 days after a new stage started but the first one."
Anything to add?
Garvin Gray (2016-01-27 03:38:32)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I think I have a different view on a couple of points, based in part in relation to the feedback I read to comments about TER.
Also, it comes from how I view the structure of the first stage, which is only a few groups and large numbers in each group ie 6 groups of 11 players, rather than 11 groups of 6 players.
========================================
FICGS world cup championship is a two stages tournament. All players who entered the waiting list are involved in single round-robin tournaments.
All games during the whole cycle are played in 30 days + 1 day / move. As a reminder, the use of chess engines (Stockfish, Houdini, Rybka...) is allowed and encouraged in cup tournaments.
Norms are possible according to FICGS general rules.
Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5 to 33 players (most probably 7 to 13). The winner of each group is qualified for the next stage. If there is a tie for first place in a group, each player advances to the second stage.
Groups are built grading all players by rating and distributing them to obtain similar elo averages. There will be no replacements in these tournaments.
=======================================
Effects- with only a small number of groups, and ties for first progressing, it is possible the second stage final could have 7,8,9 or 13 players. That will be determined.
But what I see is the main factor is that with large groups and ties going through, is all the players know they have to make a decent score to advance from the start. A good TER will not get the job done.
Also, if the scores at the top of a group are close, there is more incentive for players to attempt to get a score from their games as being the only one to advance knocks out everyone else, without any complaints about TER rules.
An entry limit will need to be put on when the final stage is double round robin. If there are six qualifiers to the final stage, then it should be DRR. 7 players in the final would make 12 games. Is that too much?
Roger Llull (2016-01-28 10:11:23)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I would not like to see groups of fewer than 8 players to remove luck as a factor and to make ties less likely. I would not like to see groups of more than 12 players so they are not overloaded.
Also the tournament should always end in 2 stages so people know it won't be too long, and in case of a tie the winner should be the player with the most wins in the whole tournament.
And one more thing, please implement rules to reduce the number of non players and careless time losses. Like a minimum Elo, a minimum of finished games, and require 2 to 5 E-Points to enter.
Some of this would be valid for the WCH too. For example, stage 2 with only 5 players is ridiculous, because luck can play too big of a role.
Garvin Gray (2016-01-28 23:12:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Hello Roger and thanks for your reply,
I would not like to see groups of fewer than 8 players to remove luck as a factor and to make ties less likely.
Garvin- Yes, this is something, at least from my point of view, is what I am trying to avoid. It also reduces the impact of any withdrawals in a group.
I would not like to see groups of more than 12 players so they are not overloaded.
Garvin- Unfortunately, Small number of groups, two stages, and if a large number of entries means something needs to give. So it could be the size of the groups. But hopefully they can be kept to a maximum of 11.
Also the tournament should always end in 2 stages so people know it won't be too long, and in case of a tie the winner should be the player with the most wins in the whole tournament.
Garvin- In my suggested version- I covered the two stage part. I take it your second comment refers to what happens if two or more players end up on the same score in the second stage?
Roger- And one more thing, please implement rules to reduce the number of non players and careless time losses. Like a minimum Elo, a minimum of finished games, and require 2 to 5 E-Points to enter.
Garvin- Quite a few of the withdrawals have come from top players in the past. The most important aspect to reduce the non players is to go from announcement, to closing date of entries, to start a quick and orderly process with no delays.
So after the rules have finally been worked out, have quite a period of time of publicity, then two weeks enter and then Thibault has to close entries straight away, get the draw done and games going.
The longer the lag period between announcement, entries opening, entries closing and games starting, the more chance of players 'going walkabout'.
Roger- Some of this would be valid for the WCH too. For example, stage 2 with only 5 players is ridiculous, because luck can play too big of a role.
Garvin- In the current WCH rules, it is already covered that Double round robin can be used if there are 5 players. I have complained previously to Thibault when he has not implemented this rule when put in a five player group.
In my reworded version for this competition, I asked, at what point should the second stage final for minimum qualifiers move from a double round robin to single round robin?
6 players, 7 players? It does seem like 6 players is the correct number. If only six players qualify from the first stage, then the second stage is DRR. If seven or more qualify, then it will be single round robin.
Practically, this would most likely mean there were 6 groups, and each player won their group outright. Or 5 groups. And 4 groups were one outright, with the other group having 2 players finishing tied for first and both advancing to the second stage.
Scott Nichols (2016-02-06 01:45:40)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
There is one fair way, sets of 2-game matches with time shortening with each tied match. (better for spectators also) That way, no luck is involved.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-02-06 02:59:07)
Alvin Alcala wins Ultimate Chess Champ.
In the news again :)
http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Sports&title=Draw-death-Not&id=122530
Scott Nichols (2016-02-06 18:08:50)
Alvin Alcala wins Ultimate Chess Champ.
No doubt about it, you are #1 my friend. Congrats!!
Garvin Gray (2016-02-09 03:24:17)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
And then you will just have more complaints about the faster time control and the title being decided by speed of the computer, superior engine.
Also there will be issues of trying to find an acceptable time for all participants. How do you find an acceptable time if players live in USA, Europe, Middle East, Asia, and Oceania region.
If the games are all held at the same time for an accelerated time control, similar to the freestyle concept, then that is dramatically different to the original format.
Rapid playoffs are not ideal in OTB chess, but at least they are played at the same time of day as the original games, and some of the players are not forced to play at 3am, where others get to play at 3pm.
Also, all this requires extra organisation on Thibault's part, unless he writes into the original rules about when the finals will be, but still the playoffs will be still be unfair for the stated reasons.
A different idea could be to have a third round involving those who tied from the second stage. So if three players tied, they would play each other four times.
1 v 2
2 v 3
3 v 1
2 v 1
3 v 2
1 v 3
1 v 2
2 v 3
3 v 1
2 v 1
3 v 2
1 v 3
Garvin Gray (2016-02-09 03:26:24)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
But really overall, I do have to protest, all these discussions I think are having a detrimental effect on the overall tournament.
Most players just want the tournament to begin. Seeing all these extremely small detailed discussions being talked through I know from personal experience irl just drives players away.
The longer they go on for, the more you lose players. This is why I keep saying, get on with it and get the tournament GOING.
Garvin Gray (2016-02-12 01:26:27)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Ahh thank you. Some definite answers about progress. And dates :) This now allows players the opportunity to prepare. Time to get the word out.
This now can set a bit of a FICGS calendar :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2016-02-12 12:21:10)
Thematic tournaments?
Traxler Counterattack was mentioned because I remembered about our (me and Thibault) thematic silver games long time ago.
I don't want to play Traxler CA with Black, probably.
Scott Nichols (2016-02-26 23:26:02)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
If the match wasn't played and he wants a refund, he should get a refund. Sometimes the tournaments take a long time to start so there should be a "withdraw" button to all events. Sometimes a person's situation changes and he can't play, so he should be able to withdraw instead of being paired and not be able to play any moves. This is bad for both players.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-03-03 23:19:46)
rating update May 1st? when?
It occured on March 1st this time :)
Garvin Gray (2016-03-10 00:56:17)
Chess960
And that they are not divided by rating, standard and rapid time controls etc is also an issue.
With chess960, all the top chess engines can be used.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-03-10 22:52:04)
Chess960
Only a few rated games (taking quite a lot thinking time) was a choice from the start and I believe that to multiply it would only share the number of players involved.
Scott Nichols (2016-03-28 00:20:00)
3 catches on the "river"
I'm not new to poker. Against one player, he had one card to catch on the river 3 times to win. Let's see 44 x 44 x44 = 85,184 to 3 chances. This poker program has a LOT to be desired.
Ilmars Cirulis (2016-03-28 13:51:48)
3 catches on the "river"
It's still possible.
I had ten games in a row as white against the same opponent once (probability = 1/1024, only ~80 times more probable than your situation). :D
Thibault de Vassal (2016-05-11 19:53:28)
Server crash (april 2016)
Hi all, welcome back :)
First of all, my apologies for this new server crash, about 4 years after the previous one...
The Raid 1 technology has its advantages, the 2 hard drives are almost-exact copies from each other, but it also has its difficulties [e.g. the "almost" part] and I just had to learn much about it to try to restore the server as I encountered not 1, not 2 but 3 hardware failures at the same time, added to a 4th hardware failure at home on the FICGS development PC, and of course added my "famous" incredibly bad internet connection. Murphy's law ^^ ... So, both hard drives and a SATA cable have been replaced on the server. Finally, the system had to be reinstalled and I had to upgrade it, which caused many difficulties these last few days. At the end, it was not possible to restore the very last FICGS database, so we lost a few minutes or hours of moves (fortunately it happened early in the morning). But nothing essential was lost at the end.
I'm still not 100% sure (if it's ever possible) that everything will work fine with this upgraded version of PHP & MySQL, obviously there are some problems with accents for players names (will be fixed soon) but let's go for a try. I probably made mistakes during the whole process that finally took 20 days but the good thing is that I should be able to better prevent such failures in the future. Thanks again for your patience!
As I said in the login/messages page, an email has been sent to warn everyone. If you tried to register or to change your password during the last two weeks, it was not taken in account so you'll have to do it again. 20 days (it was not possible to move during this time) have been added to all players expected to move, and 7 more days have been added to all clocks (including players not expected to move, to avoid any surprise in case of real vacation or something).
One more thing: It may be not possible to connect through SSL with https:// anymore in the future, I still don't know how to configure it on this system.
Let's play! :)
Best wishes,
Thibault
David Fierry Fraillon (2016-05-11 21:15:29)
Server crash (april 2016)
Can we put here some possible bugs ?
I had some save of my games times and the today version looks strange
Just tell it
David Fierry Fraillon (2016-05-11 21:35:58)
Bugs after the server crash
New games times look strange to me :
I guess Thib has put a time increment to avoid the time lost during the server crash.
What i find strange (on my games only of course) :
- a player who it was not the turn to play also get the time increment
- on the tournament FICGS_CLASSE_A_000166 :
the increment seems to be 6-7 days more than it should be
A player who was on vacation get a 7+19 days increment. I think the solution in that case is to increase the number of vacation days instead.
I will check my other tournament and i'll be back
Thibault de Vassal (2016-05-11 21:46:55)
Bugs after the server crash
Yes, that is normal: I added 7 more days to everyone, this way if someone left or has no internet access during a while at the time FICGS reappeared, he shoud not lose any game on time.
I do this after any server crash.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-05-12 01:45:16)
Bugs after the server crash
Yes, unfortunately the emails issue must be solved before :( It could take some time. I'll let you know.
FICGS is now paused again, it is not possible to login for now.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-05-25 21:37:17)
FICGS restarts (2016 May 25)
Hi everyone, nice to see you again, I missed our games :)
First of all, my apologies for this too long delay... I went through hell to try to fix these first major issues (emails & database compatibility) that were the consequence of the forced system update that followed the server crash of last month.
Unfortunately, internet protocols & languages are constantly evolving and FICGS is late on these changes. Added to the fact that databases, databases tables, database interface, database calls, PHP language, PHP files, content display, browsers (and I probably forgot ones) communicate with variable charsets, the result is that it is impossible to make FICGS (which uses both UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1 according to the content) compatible with this system change in one shot...
Consequently, it will take a long time to make it right... Feel free to report any bug in the "Bugs after the server crash" discussion in this forum.
Thanks in advance! Have good games ;)
Herbert Kruse (2016-05-26 10:59:50)
FICGS restarts (2016 May 25)
thanks for all your work, i missed FICGS, was as guest in ICCF and chessworld.net during that time, but this is by far the best server :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2016-05-27 13:24:37)
Random position from Traxler with Bxf7+
Black had to "cooperate": a non-optimal 11th move (probably mistake) and maybe few others too to reach this position.
But anything else is real. :P
Bogoljub Teverovski (2016-06-14 10:56:14)
Thematic tournaments?
it's time for new thematic, say, Trompovsky
Aniruddha Duttagupta (2016-07-01 20:48:35)
Rating calculation gain/loss
I'm playing in FICGS Server since last 18 months, but still unsure about the process of rating calculation after finish of a game.My query is that after a game finishes,while calculation of gain/loss of rating of the players which rating figure of the players are taken into account? Their rating figure as at the start of the game or present rating at the time of finish of the game? Can anyone kindly enlighten me?
Roger Llull (2016-07-01 23:05:21)
Bugs after the server crash
Seeing these ugly question marks since the crash on both Firefox and Chrome. Internet Explorer 11 shows ugly squares instead.
http://imgur.com/a/2rlJB
Thibault de Vassal (2016-07-03 00:16:33)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
I do not agree but anyway, anyone can think anything... The aim of this championship was first to offer something different from the ICCF & IECG championships, something that looked like more the old FIDE champs.
There were numerous discussions on this topic in the forum already.
Nilson Pereira (2016-07-03 01:09:34)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
In modern times there will be no winner if there is no gain. Formerly the champions would have to be defeated, the draw favored. In the present times it does not work like that anymore. There has to be a champion with victories.
Nilson Pereira (2016-07-03 01:21:19)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
Champions was legitimate until the fourth tournament, I see the hall of fame from 5 tournament no simple champions but draws no point who highlight, hurting the challenger who has not lost even 1
Nilson Pereira (2016-07-03 01:32:09)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
5 -11 tournament Final world championship there was not even a win ?? Absurd!! consider someone to be consecutive times champion .. I totally disagree. There was no merit.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-07-03 02:06:18)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
The rules specify that (in other words) "all games draw means retaining title". You may consider it as a win... or not. But in all cases, Eros did what was necessary to take then retain the title according to the rules.
Btw, it happened in 1987 with Kasparov vs. Karpov.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1987
"In modern times there will be no winner if there is no gain": That's a choice... but many people were deceived to see blitz games or so to decide championships initially played at classical time controls. As for me, I would feel the same if a correspondence chess champ was decided by a few advanced chess games.
Finally, I completely understand your point of view, but is this an absolute truth?
Herbert Kruse (2016-08-06 10:13:53)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
if there is at least one loss and one win and 6-6, the challenger should be the winner, because all stages before have the simular rule
Jan Ohlin (2016-08-09 11:52:23)
Chess World CHAMPIONSHIP
In WCH Quarter Final 000016 there will be more wins because this time we play more closed openings. It´s the best chance in advanced chess to win I think.
I will never forget last game Kasparov - Karpov 1987...
George Jempty (2016-09-02 10:21:48)
Player of the Year
I've been thinking it would be interesting to have nominations for a "Player of the Year" that FICGS members could then vote on. Qualifications could be listed in a manner similar to the following:
1) 15 wins, 13 draws and 0 losses since Oct 2015
2) Rating increase of nearly 250 points (1904-2152) during same time period
3) As 1904 player finished tied for second with score of 4/6 in tournament where average rating was 2041
4) Won a standard B tournament with score of 5.5/6 and a performance rating of 2332
5) Guaranteed tie for first place in a standard A tournament (currently tied for first and is playing in the one remaining game in the tourney against someone one point behind)
6) Currently leading stage 1 group of 2016 World Championship with score of 5/5
7) Finished tied for first in Rapid M tournament for which it was necessary to buy a ticket because TER of 2077 being below normal minimum of 2100
Yes I'm bragging on myself more than a little bit, but still I think that the listed qualifications are pretty objective
George Jempty (2016-09-07 13:58:50)
Player of the Year
Yeah well I'm 2014 USCF which is how I started on FICGS a few years ago but I lost several games on time when I lost interest in chess in general. But regardless if the above is about me or not, it represents a good way to write up the qualifications I think
Peter Brodie (2016-09-09 09:03:57)
Missing chat
A number of my recent harmless, inoffensive chatty postings in international chat have simply disappeared almost as soon as I posted them..why?
George Jempty (2016-09-09 17:56:01)
Player of the Year
The game I am the most proud of the past 12 months is http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=89124 a draw against Ortiz in the first tournament mentioned above. I got a poor position with a poor opening and around move 30 was down around 0.6 to 0.7.
I took all 45 days of my vacation before December 31st and devoted almost all my analysis to this one game, with a new 8-core, 32 GB RAM machine, as well as buying Komodo 9.3 (I'm now up to 10.1). Ortiz did not play so accurately and by move 45 the engine evaluated me as completely even in a few lines but they were complicated and I was much lower on time than my opponent.
However I found a forcing line of about a dozen moves that the engine thought was inferior, but I knew was a dead drawn ending: R+2P vs. R+3P all on the same side of the board, with me also having a sufficiently active rook. So I went for this simpler solution which also let me gain time on the clock as I'd analyzed everything out beforehand. Finally after about a dozen moves in the ending Ortiz offered the draw.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-09-12 17:41:43)
Missing chat
It just regularly happens, for some reasons a few players (not necessarily the same ones) delete comments... Well, it's always possible to repost from time to time.
George Jempty (2016-09-13 14:41:12)
Missing chat
I once accidentally deleted a comment the first time ever I clicked on the triangle -- I did not realize the purpose was to delete. Rather I thought it would "expand" a chat topic. This was probably close to a year ago. In the meantime yes I primarily delete my own comments. However recently Duenas decided to post comments about an ongoing game of his with Cirulis, which to me just seems inappropriate for chat as there is a message box for each move of a game, as well as private messages. Those comments bumped a bunch of other comments possibly relevant to the whole FICGS community off the front page, so I deleted them.
I'm sorry if you Mr. Brodie if you think this makes me a cretin, but I'm just trying to keep the chat relevant to *everybody* on FICGS, not just two players, and in any case I think you rather over-state your case: "illegal hacking", references to "justice", etc. -- it's just a chat board. In any case what you are suggesting is a "policy" issue, but I think there is a "technical" issue too. And that is, once you click on the triangle you get a popup box with one button (an "alert") instead of two buttons (a "confirm"). A confirm would allow you to undo the delete, for instance if you accidentally clicked the triangle. Thib if you are reading this I am a web developer with nearly 20 years experience and could quite easily implement this, as I know you have a lot of other priorities.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-09-17 01:05:21)
Missing chat
That's right, it has to be fixed... Anyway, the reason why comments can be deleted is just to avoid that insults (or so) can be visible during a long time. Maximum moderation is best for such an open chat. I'm quite sure about this after all these years...
Peter Brodie (2016-09-17 01:34:00)
Missing chat
Thanks Thibault..I'm coming to the ccnclusion that your way was right, after all..Players do need to be able to delete any abusive chat as soon as it appears, whether themselves if they are abused directly and are there to see it at that moment or others deleting in their place simply because abuse of any kind is not tolerated..This procedure does lead to some simply deciding what is relevant and useful chat and what isn't and thereby often messing up a chat thread..so arbitrary deletions should be frowned on and anyone who keeps deleting any chat at their whim should, perhaps, be barred from chat for, say, a month, until they learn some manners and proper chat etiquette..also, anyone who engages in mass deleting because they like causing chaos should get two warnings, then be barred for good if they persist..They shoud also be named..anyone who engages in abusive chat should get also two warnings, then they will be barred from chat forever..How's this for a settlement of tbe situation?
Peter Brodie (2016-09-19 22:38:00)
Missing chat
I figured some time ago you were one of those pathetic internet princesses who likes starting meaningless arguments for their own sake as it gives you a hard-on..I'd suggest you get a life but I suppose that isn't possible..As for abuse, you gave as good as you got you little shit so don't start accusing and playing the little hurt dove..how sad..How obvious....lol...
George Jempty (2016-09-20 09:06:10)
Missing chat
Well that's as close to an admission you've made, laced with abuse as it is. I didn't abuse anyone except maybe to call you a troll though maybe I did abuse the system. I thought we'd come to some agreement when I came up with the idea of a system where it took two people to delete a chat message and you said "good idea", but then when a bunch of messages subsequently got deleted, you went on to falsely accuse me. Thib could put this all to rest by telling us who deleted the messages on that particular day, but it wasn't me. Could we just agree to a cease fire in the meantime?
Thibault de Vassal (2016-09-20 23:05:50)
Missing chat
First of all, who deleted such or such chat message is of a tiny importance... The main interest of this chat is usually for instant conversation. However, I'll fix those chat issues soon, thanks for your patience.
Second, insults and provocations are not acceptable here. I suggest to read the FICGS terms and conditions quickly before I have to apply those rules. Thanks in advance.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-09-21 00:12:50)
Failed to receive email
Sometimes an email can reach its destination after a while... Feel free to tell if it finally arrives. Thanks!
Bogoljub Teverovski (2016-11-01 11:53:06)
Thematic tournaments?
It's time for new thematic, say, Belgrade Gambit in 4-Knights
Thibault de Vassal (2016-11-07 19:15:35)
Poker Poll
Bernal & Nichols :)
Well, I quite agree with Scott, the fairest test may be a 12 (or more) game advanced poker match.
2400 will be very hard to reach but with some optimization, it may be possible. But to stay over 2400 while finishing games that go wrong would be much much harder IMHO.
Scott Nichols (2016-11-07 21:57:16)
Poker Poll
My idea was just a heads up match between 2 players who both feel they are the best:) No ratings, no money, everything just stays the same. The reason I offer this is because I'm 99% mathematically sure with this rating system, reaching 2400 would be next to impossible with everyone so much lower rated.
On the other hand, all I have to do is win a dozen or so games quickly and there it is. I feel it is an unfair advantage to me.
Scott Nichols (2016-11-07 22:15:35)
Poker Poll
One last caveat before we agree. If I reach 2225 or higher first, I will know in my mind it will just be a matter of time IMO. Then I will have to rescind my offer and let things go on as they are. Sorry if I am rambling...
Scott Nichols (2016-11-11 14:01:20)
Do the cards matter?
Dear Yeturu Aahlad, I have thought long about your inquiry. This is the best scenario I can come up with.
You are at a 9 player real money game. You know all the players. You all have decided to see who is the best.
You have been playing for many, many hours. All that is left is you and Him. Lets call him Eros. Last hand.
You are dealt pocket Black Aces. Eros acts first and checks. You feel you can just take the ante's now and move on, but you decide to slow play them and just call. The flop is 3clubs, 6hearts and Qhearts. Again Eros checks and you decide to bet a little again and he calls.
Now through all the hours of playing, you have gotten to know each other well. He is the type who talks and laughs, makes fun of people, belittles them and acts in a generally arrogant manner. (We all know the type). The KEY is to study all of this and, this is maybe the most important, study his microexpressions. Some people call them tells. But most all pros know how not to give away tells. But I have learned that microexpressions are involuntary. Let's get back to the hand.
The "turn" is a Jspades. He decides to bet, a good bet and of course you call. (slow playing). Now comes the moment of truth, "the river". It is an Ace of hearts. You are thrilled, and your face gives the microexpression for a tenth of a second. You now have 3 Aces, but there is 3 hearts on the board.
All of the sudden, Eros goes all in and walks away from the table. In my experience, the odds of him having 2 hearts in the hole is 23/1. HERE is the point if the cards matter. You can beat anything except a Heart flush. And the odds of him having that are 23/1. This is a real money, no limit game. If you call and lose, you lose 90% of all you hold near and dear.
WHAT DO YOU DO?
Scott Nichols (2016-11-11 21:07:34)
Do the cards matter?
The way I came up with the cards don't matter theory was watching a World Series of Poker heads up match between two of the players who came up the hard way and fought their way to the highest echelon of poker pro's.
They got dealt a hand, I don't remember the cards except they were shit cards that anybody would just throw in.
The host commenting on the match was a multi-time world champion. <br
To everyone's surprise, the first player bet big on his lousy cards. Of course, I and I am sure, everybody else thought player 2 would just throw in his lousy hand and go on to the next one. But noooo, he took his time, a long time, and re-raised. This went on and I can't even remember who actually won the hand, but the host said, "when you get to this level, the cards don't matter." That enlightened me in a profound way i had never thought of before.
Francois Caire (2016-11-12 16:48:17)
Stockfish fixes memory leak in Syzygy
I tested it and after a 24 hour analysis in an endgame position, stockfish was using only 2.6 Gb of ram with 2Gb hash size.
http://abrok.eu/stockfish/
Author: Marco Costalba
Date: Sat Nov 5 07:55:08 2016 +0100
Timestamp: 1478328908
Rewrite syzygy in C++
Rewrite the code in SF style, simplify and
document it.
Code is now much clear and bug free (no mem-leaks and
other small issues) and is also smaller (more than
600 lines of code removed).
All the code has been rewritten but root_probe() and
root_probe_wdl() that are completely misplaced and should
be retired altogheter. For now just leave them in the
original version.
Code is fully and deeply tested for equivalency both in
functionality and in speed with hundreds of games and
test positions and is guaranteed to be 100% equivalent
to the original.
Tested with tb_dbg branch for functional equivalency on
more than 12M positions.
stockfish.exe bench 128 1 16 syzygy.epd
Position: 2016/2016
Total 12121156 Hits 0 hit rate (%) 0
Total time (ms) : 4417851
Nodes searched : 1100151204
Nodes/second : 249024
Tested with 5,000 games match against master, 1 Thread,
128 MB Hash each, tc 40+0.4, which is almost equivalent
to LTC in Fishtest on this machine. 3-, 4- and 5-men syzygy
bases on SSD, 12-moves opening book to emphasize mid- and endgame.
Score of SF-SyzygyC++ vs SF-Master: 633 - 617 - 3750 [0.502] 5000
ELO difference: 1
No functional change.
Scott Nichols (2016-11-26 17:48:41)
New quotes?
"sometimes it;s all a bit hazy, is it me, or all the others crazy? (Einstein)
Garvin Gray (2016-11-30 02:01:25)
Future penalties for games lost on time
I know this topic comes up for discussion from time to time, but seeing the results from Rapid A 192, I think a more thorough discussion needs to take place about what should be done about players who lose multiple games on time.
I know on ICCF, they have very strict rules in this matter, and I believe that FICGS should follow the same procedure.
Players should be made aware before entering a tournament that they are expected to complete all their games, not just time out some of their games without consequence.
If players do not want to continue their games and feel that it is ok to let their games time out, then FICGS should take the position that their services are no longer required on this site for a stated period.
The ICCF rules should be followed in this matter.
Herbert Kruse (2016-11-30 03:01:53)
Future penalties for games lost on time
if the rules here are that u can lose on time they should stay so
u cannot change the rules after beginning a game
and i dont lose on time ever (or lose ever ;) )
Garvin Gray (2016-11-30 08:33:54)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Herbert Kruse- Policies and procedures can be changed at any point in time as situations change, or as events occur.
Where in my post did I say that I was changing the rules after the beginning the game. In fact, I think you would find that the game had ended. That was the point.
The rule I was bringing up is what to do in the future for players who lose games on time. ICCF is generally seen as the standard practice for most rules and procedures, and their policies on this matter is very clear.
So if their policy was to be adopted here, it would start from (insert date), which would hopefully be January 1st 2017.
Peter W. Anderson (2016-11-30 09:19:39)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Yes, too many losses on time.
I generally tend to give people the benefit of the doubt re personal circumstances, health etc but a few observations:
- I have yet to see anyone lose on time in a winning position
- I have yet to see anyone lose on time when they had a level game in a match or tournament they could win
- It only takes a minute to resign a game if you really cannot continue: it is only good manners.
Herbert Kruse (2016-11-30 11:11:02)
Future penalties for games lost on time
if you ban every player who loses on time, there will be less and less players here, but i want ficgs to have a big number of members
Garvin Gray (2016-11-30 11:16:28)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Since I have referred to the ICCF policies on the matters of players losing on time, I should directly quote their policy:
It is under section 5 of Code of Conduct:
Types of disciplinary action available are as follows:
(i) Formal Written Warning – for breaches in behaviour incompatible with ICCF statutes, principles, or rules. Continuing or repeated misbehaviour will result in (ii) being implemented
(ii) Disciplinary Action with Penalty/Sanctions – for serious or recurring breaches in behaviour
incompatible with ICCF statutes, principles, and/or rules. Immediate penalties/sanctions should be imposed, the degree of which should be related to the severity of the misdemeanour.
The following scale of penalties/sanctions should be used:
(a) A serious behavioural issue, e.g. silent/unacceptable withdrawal from a tournament, unacceptable, or abusive behaviour to players/officials/ICCF as a first offence – ban from all international CC tournaments and activities for a period of 2 years, from the date of decision.
(b) A repeated serious behavioural issue, e.g., repeated silent/ unacceptable withdrawal from a
tournament, repeated abusive behaviour to players/officials/ICCF – ban from all international CC tournaments and activities for a period of 5 years, from the date of the latest decision.
(c) Outrageous behaviour or further repeated behavioural issue, e.g., theft, belligerent action towards ICCF or any of its officials, assault, etc. – ban from all international CC tournaments and activities for life duration. Appeal for remission of sentence is available after 10 years.
(d) Extremely slow play in a clearly lost position is not proper behaviour in CC play, and is
subject to a warning from the TD, and will result in disciplinary action if it continues or is repeated in other games.
When dealing with disciplinary matters and considering penalties/sanctions, care should be
taken to ensure consistency and those penalties are commensurate with the “crime†committed.
In all cases of disciplinary action, an individual has a basic right to express his/her case, with reasoning, before a decision is taken by an official/tournament director or tournament office, etc.
Herbert Kruse (2016-11-30 11:41:59)
Future penalties for games lost on time
thats just crazy
chess rules are rules, u can use it as u want
ICCF is old fashion and therefore has not the best players
Ilmars Cirulis (2016-11-30 11:48:21)
Future penalties for games lost on time
For defence of Duttagupta:
He has finished all five games in the tournament and lost only two on the time.
I have played 20 games with him and everything was okay (despite him losing 10 games), also.
So I have all reasons to believe that he has some IRL problems.
Ilmars Cirulis (2016-11-30 11:52:07)
Future penalties for games lost on time
I am against any penalties for losing on time or slow play, too.
Garvin Gray (2016-11-30 14:04:30)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Ilmars, did you actually bother to read the ICCF sections I quoted? Or did you just say, I am against any penalties as a blanket statement and stuff the rest?
If you had read the ICCF rules, in all cases of disciplinary action, an individual has a basic right to express his/her case, with reasoning, before a decision is taken by an official/tournament director or tournament office, etc.
So any player in 'question' would be given the opportunity to answer why they lost their games on time and it would be up to the Tournament Committee, or Thibault alone to decide on what action to take.
And I do not believe it is appropriate to discuss individual players when discussing this rule. If we start mentioning individual players, then the potential for a lot of hurt feelings, defamation and arguments can ensue.
People will just start going through everyone's records who might be a 'suspect'. That serves no purpose except to upset everyone.
The topic is a simple one. At least it is to me.
Peter Anderson defined the issue well.
Ilmars Cirulis (2016-11-30 15:07:51)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Against any penalties for using allowed time in any manner (including allowing it to run out completely).
Sorry for any misunderstandings.
Herbert Kruse (2016-11-30 15:51:42)
Future penalties for games lost on time
if u start a game u know the rules, so it must stay that way
if u want an adjustment u can ask Thibault
no need to do any more bureaucracy
Herbert Kruse (2016-11-30 15:53:22)
Future penalties for games lost on time
11. 5. Adjudications
In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious.
If time control is superior to 1 day and if a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated. An analysis submitted by a player should contain sufficient information so that no doubt is possible. This may include a sequence of moves, but in some circumstances it may be sufficient to claim a win or a draw on the basis of material or positional advantage. Final decision belongs to referee.
Scott Nichols (2016-12-02 18:28:58)
Future penalties for games lost on time
First loss on time, suspension for 3 months. Second loss on time, banishment for life. With the long time controls here, there is NO good reason to lose on time.
Thibault de Vassal (2016-12-02 22:06:28)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Hi all,
On dead man defence, Herbert said it all and as far as I can see, this rule works (when used, of course)!
On losses on time, I'm still not sure of what rule is best but I'm quite sure that simple rules are often best. However, I guess that rules could be more incitative about finishing games even without sanctions ("threat is stronger than execution") I'm not sure how efficient it could be on a free website though, FICGS context is not ICCF context. So I'm open to any change but I'm still not favourable to any suspension or banishment (that could lead to even more games lost on time). Also, I do know that life events could lead to this, I do know that there are many good reasons to lose on time, unfortunately :/
David Fierry Fraillon (2016-12-03 09:12:28)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Well .... how long takes a referee decision ?
If it is less than a few days it could be better than using banishement.
You may just have to fix the level of difference in rules : + 10 .... +15 ....Just have to keep in mind that in our game an oponent mistakes can happen
Thibault de Vassal (2016-12-03 21:15:23)
Future penalties for games lost on time
According to the rule in such cases, there must be an adjudication 30 days at most after the first call to the referee. I must say that it is very rare that I have to act after this period (actually, when a player calls the referee, his opponent usually resigns a few hours/days after that, which is a good sign that this system works well IMO).
David Fierry Fraillon (2016-12-04 07:24:53)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Ok it can be very long then ...
I am not happy with banishment solution ... i guess the idea is to have a lot of players ... and more.
IF you look at some rating evolution you will see that some player just stop corresponding chess and are back few months later and sometimes more ...
I will do it myself as soon as i will finish my games because i have to prepare myself to normal chess ...
So i think it is normal for many reason to leave corresponding chess for a few months and be back ... i think also that it is normal to resign if you can ... but as Thibault wrote you can find many reason to not be able to do it ....
By the way : Thibault, can you solve the trick of creating a new account when a player is banished ?
I have only two solution in mind :
reducing the maximal time allowed to one move to 30 (i do not like it because i use it sometimes when i am on the X9th move ... :-) )
and reducing time for adjudication ...
Thibault de Vassal (2016-12-04 19:32:26)
Future penalties for games lost on time
I think I solved it as much as possible :) Anyway, as far as I know, players who registered again under a fake name generally stopped to play even faster (due to a lower rating and lack of motivation, I guess) There's a kind of natural selection due to the fact that we play with our real name.
David Fierry Fraillon (2016-12-04 21:11:08)
Future penalties for games lost on time
i do agree ...
megalomany of chess players .... :-)
Scott Nichols (2016-12-20 15:54:52)
Poker Poll
ANY skills I may have acquired during the all night poker or chess fests I played at during my youth, I would gladly give back in an instant to have that time back to spend with my family who are now gone. Sure I would like to make it to #1 here like anybody else, but I regard it for what it is--a harmless pastime.
Garvin Gray (2017-01-05 01:10:02)
Future penalties for games lost on time
Returning to this issue:
Ficgs already has a policy on this issue from its rules. It is covered in 11.6:
Any player who forfeits (by resignation or silent withdrawal) his games in an equal or winning position, without giving an explanation to referee in a rated chess tournament could lose his other games in the tournament, get a limited access to the server and couldn't enter waiting lists anymore during a period of 2 months, at the referee's discretion.
Scott Nichols (2017-01-06 01:11:10)
Future penalties for games lost on time
In a fairly short game #93472 it looks like black just gave the game to white. Usually this would go unnoticed. But, the white player and I have a gentelmanly bet on the outcome. he got four free points. I think they should be taken away and the black player should suffer a penalty for collusion.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-05 01:32:48)
Future penalties for games lost on time
That's right. Thanks Garvin for noticing it :)
Herbert Kruse (2017-01-06 17:03:49)
Future penalties for games lost on time
only if "in a rated chess tournament"
other games are private matter
Herbert Kruse (2017-01-11 13:33:50)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
can u open entry earlier?
i forgot sometimes to register
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-11 15:28:01)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases
Hi all,
Just a reminder about reasons why some games may be not adjudicated even when the result is announced thanks to 7 pieces (or 6 pieces, 5 pieces...) tablebases:
- FICGS chess rules are slightly different from FIDE rules (no 50 moves rule), so an announced draw may not be a draw here.
- According to the rules, any player (who may not use engines or tablebases) has the right to see the game going until a "quite" clear position.
But any player who estimates that the result of the game is known can call the referee to shorten the game.
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#adjudications
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-18 03:32:56)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
Finally, here is a new interview with FICGS correspondence chess champion GM Eros Riccio, who gives us his (surprising?) impressions on his latest win in the championship, his current match and correspondence chess nowadays... A good matter to think about!
http://www.ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=tournament&tournament=FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000012
____________
- Hi again Eros... Once more, congratulations for winning this final match in the 12th FICGS correspondence chess championship. This time, it seems that things went quite differently than in your previous matches (you scored 9 out of 12, which is a huge performance at this level), could you tell us what happened in these games?
--> Hi, yes, finally we have seen some wins after a very long series of draws. I was surprised too, I didn't risk to lose any game and I could even win one as Black... What to say, my opponent was simply not as challenging as the previous ones.
- It's a long time since you won the previous match, would you like to tell us about your other results this year, particularly at ICCF where you now rank #9 with an outstanding 2643 rating?
--> My latest final on FICGS were my only games of 2016. On ICCF I have taken some rest, the too high draw rate didn't incentive me to start new tournaments, also because drawing all games with a high rating means losing points.
- In the next final match (13th cycle), you play Peter W. Anderson for the 3rd time... so you probably know each other's opening book quite well. What do you expect for in this match?
--> Anderson is a very tough opponent, it's not a coincidence that he reached the final for the third time. I tried to win at least one game as White, but he's incredibly hard to beat. I experimented with almost anything possible against his modern defence, but I could never find a single weakness in his repertoire. I will see what to invent this time against his terrific 1...g6.
- As you probably know, another Go champion (Lee Sedol) lost a 5-games match to AlphaGo this year, while chess engines (now Stockfish 8, Houdini 5 Komodo 10...) slowly but surely continue to improve... Still waiting for the quantum computers. How do you feel things should go in the next years? Did your way of playing advanced chess or correspondence chess change these last years?
--> I have said a lot already about the very high draw rate of the recent years... I am surprised that some changes haven't been done already, like switching to chess 960, even modifying some chess rules, or at least giving 1,5 points for one win. Otherwise a lot of players will lose interest in seeing a series of all draws in the tournaments they play. I am one of those players who lost interest in correspondence chess, and even in blitz chess, engine vs engine, as we can see the extremely high draw rate situation there too.
- Finally, what can we wish for you for the next year? :)
--> Wish me to lose the match with Anderson :-) even I got bored of seeing myself there over and over in the final! That will bring some new air and that way I can take some total rest in corr. chess.
- Many thanks for your time, have a great match!
--> Welcome, and thanks.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-18 03:39:48)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
Well, I must say that these words (combined to the many debates we had & still have here) make me think about serious changes, maybe not only around the championship format... so let's open the debate one more time: how to bring some fresh air in correspondence chess according to you?
Roger Llull (2017-01-18 04:33:20)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
I have an idea. Make it more of an spectator sport like engine vs engine is, by letting people offer Epoints to the winners of thematic tournaments in the openings they choose. Let others interested in the same opening add to those Epoints and discuss changes in time controls, starting position and Elo limit. Those studying openings can this way effectively pay for great line analysis, and if this is done well and takes traction, it could even be a source of income for the best players.
Jan Ohlin (2017-01-18 20:28:39)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
Is there a need to distinguish between black and white? When you win a game in CC it depends first and foremost on blunders, weak play or finally you playing a position where the computer takes long time to come up with something sensible, for example in closed variation in spanish (C97, 12. d5) and therefore best player will win. Ok, winning as black requires a lot of energy for study theory, but ...?
George Jempty (2017-01-19 01:12:18)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
I like your idea Scott I just posted something similar in your other thread
George Jempty (2017-01-19 20:19:53)
Defeating Draw Death
I don't understand the reasoning. If White is only going to score 0.4 for a draw, it behooves him to play more riskily for the win and a full point.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-19 21:33:23)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
Hmm... I didn't think about a FULL THEMATIC CHAMPIONSHIP before, that's an interesting idea from Pablo IMO (that would invite us to play -still classical chess- romantic style chess).
And last but not least, it would be possible here (while solutions with fractions of points are much more complicated to code & organize).
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-19 23:40:00)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
:) Yes... I understand the idea, but it should be unrated IMO, just like thematic tournaments.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-20 17:31:22)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Poll! :)
According to you, what are the most interesting chess thematics that are the less drawish (with the lowest chances of draw)...
Of course, this is in the idea of a possible future championship that would keep the historical part of chess & chess openings (chess 960 is another game IMO). But this is only an option for now.
As for me, I'll start with King's gambit, that is not only chess, but (IMHO) the most romantic & beautiful part of chess...
Your opinion?
Pablo Schmid (2017-01-20 18:05:27)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
Why would a thematic disfavour Black? That's not logical, it just depends of the thematic! If we take the King's gambit accepred as example, Black is not worse and may be the opposite! Even if you lose as Black because of the thematuc, you have chance to win the game where you have White against it... At least the idea would be interesting to play very interesting lines and games that fear does not allow in normal time and to contribue to chess theory in wild opening.
Roger Llull (2017-01-20 21:29:00)
GM Eros Riccio 12th WCH & chess
Pablo, changes to the WCH wouldn't make a difference for many years because the rules of each running event can't be changed now without sacrificing site credibility.
But I don't think this is about fixing the WCH final. This is about getting rid of the big frustration that represents the almost total impossibility of winning at the top level.
You can't mix thematic and classic CC Elos for the same reason you can't mix the Elo of classic time controls and the Elo of bullet time controls.
Thibault has an opportunity to bring new life to correspondence chess, but we need to see things from a different perspective. Let's make the most of what's already in place, -like Epoints- and introduce ways to add and influence new events even before they start. Because connecting with others and participating in more ways would bring new interest and benefit a lot more people than tring to fix what's already perfect -sort of- but stale.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-01-21 14:55:42)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
+1 for King Gambit
(it's time to analyze it to the end :P)
Roger Llull (2017-01-22 12:55:21)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I'd prefer to have something different created from the ground up with mainly top players in mind, where the draw problem really is. But top players' time is precious, that's why I proposed bigger prices sponsored by people who are interested in specific openings.
This cup seems especially favorable for intermediate players, and the chance to score a few draws against higher rated ones may actually be a good thing that would be lost with complicated openings.
Jan Ohlin (2017-01-22 15:07:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
FICGS WM will be matches where half of the games is different thematic, every player choice two, and the Cup will be really many games with short time, awoiding draws that way? Is this the discussion!?
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-22 18:46:13)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
This Benoni is probably an interesting choice. After all, maybe we can change from time to time... Maybe even that the thematic should remain a secret before the tournament starts ^^ But it may be less "prestigious" than King's gambit.
Garvin Gray (2017-01-23 17:12:46)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
If the WCH format changes, and becomes something like this, or incorporates elements of the current FICGS World Cup two stage format, then of course a different concept for the world cup 'could/should' be considered.
That being said, if the Ficgs WCH format changed to something similar to the current ficgs world cup, especially if it involved a final stage being a round robin of some number of players, then it would start to look like the format that is used at ICCF.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-24 02:39:37)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I started to change the waiting lists page... Most probably, the WCH will not change (for the moment at least), the CUP waiting list will be open next week (rules page should be visible tomorrow), and possibly a "KING supertournament" thematic event may happen from time to time (later) with rules still to be defined (later)... To be continued.
Garvin Gray (2017-01-25 01:02:13)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases
Thibault. On this forum, we have agreed that a player can claim for a position to be adjudicated as a win/draw when the 6 piece position is displayed on the board.
The reason for this is that the all 6 piece positions have been solved and can be freely confirmed by anyone, such as using shredderchess.com
ICCF has now moved quite a while ago to allowing 6 piece claims as well.
7 piece claims are still not allowed as all positions have not been solved, and the positions that have, are not freely available to the general public (from my understanding).
Garvin Gray (2017-01-25 09:18:35)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I have read the formatted rules. The only difference between what is in this thread and what is in the entry conditions is how ties for first will be broken.
If you read back through this thread, I said:
Garvin- For the second stage (finals)= I know this might be a bit controversial, but I think the TER rule should be dropped and those who tie for first should progress. Since we have seven groups (this was based on this discussion at the time- Garvin insert 25/1/17), that should mean at the most eleven players in the final.
This will have the by-product in the round robin games of everyone knowing that if they can finish outright first, they knockout everyone from their group immediately.
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And we continued discussing the rules and it was agreed to remove the TER and other 'tie' rules have those who finish equal first all progress.
So that rule needs to be changed.
As quite a few of the entrants will not have seen this thread, or any of the other discussions, perhaps a slight explanation for round one of how this event is different to the FICGS world champs would be helpful to 'sell' the event.
As in. For the FICGS World Chess Cup, The Highest Rated Player will be seed 1 and placed in Group A, Second Highest Rated Player will be seed 2 and placed in Group B and so forth for seed 3, seed 4 etc till all players have been allocated to their respective groups.
All players start from the first round and there is no knockout stage.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-25 15:30:58)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases
And if I remember well, we agreeded that a player can claim an adjudication in this case, but the adjudication will be effective 30 days after the 2nd claim if needed (at least because all players do not use engines or tablebases websites and can be interested in playing it). That's specified in the rules.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-01-25 15:58:25)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Oh ok. As soon as it is different from WCH rules, we can try this... and it's even simpler. Let's hope that the "3 or 4 players tie with the same score in a group" case will not happen too often though, otherwise we may have a final stage with two dozens of players :) Possibles look like huge and cycles may not look like each other.
The cup rules page is updated.
Garvin Gray (2017-01-26 11:37:58)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
1) Being a new event, an email should be sent to all members explaining this event and that it is a main championship event. And that entries will open Wednesday 8th February.
2) Entries open Wednesday 8th February and close Wednesday 1st March. That gives everyone three weeks to enter.
3) Entries close Wednesday 1st March. The event needs to start straight after this date.
I am aware that you need to update ratings, work out the groups, load everything into the server to get the event started, so there is a lag time after March 1st.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-03-01 20:48:56)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
96 players... luckily, 12 groups of 8, that's the first time we create groups with an even number of players.
Alvin Alcala (2017-03-31 18:27:51)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Details:
http://infinitychess.com/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=298
Thibault de Vassal (2017-04-01 20:47:35)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Quite sure you'll be in Alvin :) Good luck!
Arturas Drozdovas (2017-04-02 11:42:04)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
50 USD to enter, it's like burning your money if you are positive that you can't win :)
Alvin Alcala (2017-04-02 14:23:20)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
If you finish the tour fair and square then your eligible to get $100 as fair play prize.
Alvin Alcala (2017-04-14 23:18:29)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Some updates from the sponsors:
http://www.infinitychess.com/Page/Public/Article/DefaultArticle.aspx?id=299
Thibault de Vassal (2017-04-15 00:26:03)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Looks like an all-star... or almost.
Scott Nichols (2017-04-18 19:32:39)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
A lot of the old stars are in it. I still have the same equipment as I had last time which was good for the bottom 1/4 of the results, :) I see Dave and Al IMO will be among the favorites.
Peter W. Anderson (2017-04-19 08:29:26)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Good luck Alvin - I may come and watch a few game.
Peter W. Anderson (2017-04-19 08:46:20)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
One possibility would be to take a selection of openings from the last TCEC final. These were deliberately unbalanced to reduce the drawing chances. They were a superb set of openings. To make it fair people would have to play both sides of an opening.
I could also provide you with some hard to hold positions from the modern defence (I won't be playing, so there will no unfair advantage).
Re the previous suggestions:
- benoni with early Bf4 is a good choice
- czech benoni is definitely overscored by engines but will be a tough hold nonethless; I would watch these games with interest
- Hennig Schara is great fun and I have never lost with it on FICGS, but it really is awful if white plays the best line (but I am not going to say what that is!).
- KID would depend on which line was chosen; some lines have been analysed almost to death, others have plenty of scope left.
One other possibility - a Breyer Lopez. Quite a tough hold IMO and therefore a good choice if everyone plays both sides.
Peter W. Anderson (2017-04-19 13:42:06)
WCh and other ramblings
Congratulations to Eros for retaining his FICGS world title again. A casual glance at our 36 games might give the impression that I did not put him under much pressure apart from in game 95512. Actually it is more a case of him making it look easy. He generally plays extremely accurately in the opening and avoids deeply hidden pitfalls in the middle game – I always get the feeling that I am playing someone who understands the game well rather than someone purely reliant on engines.
I have decided to give up playing normal correspondence chess. Engines have simply become too strong and the amount of human input into my games has decreased over time. Human input remains (games 95516, 95512, 93727/87343 being good examples), but there is far too much hard work with engines these days for my liking. I am sure a GM would add a lot more value but I am a mere mortal! I will probably play some big chess instead. I tried this a couple of times and really enjoyed it. I just hope nobody writes an engine for it.
With regards to the format of the world championship, we need to recognise that with engines getting stronger the draw odds is a bigger and bigger advantage for the champion. Despite that I personally think the current format is fine. I generated a significant advantage in 2 games – in addition to game 95512, I believe game 87337 offered real chances if I had not forgotten to play 25.Nb4 as intended (I could barely look at a chess board for a month after screwing that game up, but that is another story). If people keep trying they may eventually beat Eros. The bigger issue to my mind is Eros’s own statement of boredom with defending the championship. So time for a change when the current cycles are finished?
Peter W. Anderson (2017-04-19 16:03:14)
WCh and other ramblings
To my mind big hardware only helps a little bit at FICGS speeds. Yes if you space bar everything then it might make a lot of difference but if you are prepared to work hard analysing variations properly then I think much less so - working hard is far more important than having a big computer.
For me it is more a question of how often whilst analysing those variations I can see a mis-evaluation or come up with an idea that the engines miss. It still happens but less often now than 5 years ago.
But I take your point about poker. And at faster chess speeds big comps are essential. The ideal configuration for the Infinity chess tour? - a strong human player who is experienced at advanced chess and 6 (or more) big comps running :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-04-19 17:03:15)
WCh and other ramblings
Nash equilibrium for our poker can be found with any necessary precision if one wants to waste the time and resources. :D
It's just that nobody cares, probably. :)
Thibault de Vassal (2017-04-21 22:54:00)
WCh and other ramblings
Thanks for these words & analysis Peter! Yes, I don't know yet if Eros will fight one more time to retain the title but obviously he did it very well during these last years... the strongest engine alone would certainly not have been able to achieve this. Anyway, Herbert (& others) looks like to be ready for the challenge and this could be very interesting to see such a match! Well, let's see how this tough candidates final with Pablo finishes before :)
Well, the cup format was a first step towards a championship with more chances for everyone... the future "King's supertournament" will be another one with a thematic bigger round-robin that should definitely avoid the drawish problem & a new attempt to give sense to correspondence chess. To be continued...
Pablo Schmid (2017-04-23 14:10:27)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
1.g4 is ugly and not theoretically important. An interesting but quite rare in practice but important theoretically would be preferable in my opinion.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-04-23 15:11:50)
Thematic with lowest chances of draw
Pablo said it all...
Thanks for these advices Peter! To be more accurate, we may discuss the full lines added to the opening names from now... One move can change everything :)
I'm particularly interested in important King's gambit lines for this first edition. The maddest, shortest, non-linear line from engines point of view but still theorical may be the best :-) (yes, not so easy to find) Maybe one with the queen to be trapped, that produced numerous incredible games...
Scott Nichols (2017-05-01 01:05:29)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
This was absolutely the worst tournament atmosphere I have ever saw. I would not only not recommend, I wholeheartedly discourage anyone from this site. But to each his own.
Herbert Kruse (2017-05-01 01:24:25)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
details please
Pablo Schmid (2017-05-07 18:22:38)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
Why do you mean by worst atmosphere?
Thibault de Vassal (2017-05-13 19:50:31)
Ultimate Challenge Tour 2017, USD 20k
By the way, why "this was"? The tournament is scheduled to end not before May 20th, but I cannot find any news about it on the site.
Daniel Parmet (2017-07-01 07:48:12)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I know this thread is old but I feel Garvin made an amazing point that got lost:
"It was to give players who were in the 2100 to 2200 and below more opportunities against players rated 2300 and above, whilst still also giving the top players something to play for ie the tournament win."
I haven't played actively since 2010 for exactly this reason. I did play over 470 games though but found that I was permanently locked into this rating band despite being far beyond the skill level of this rating band solely because I was never allowed to play stronger players. So I moved on to ICCF where I easily was able to compete against 2370+ players all the time.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-07-01 22:35:35)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Well, one fact is that we do not have players rated over 2300+ enough anymore... I don't know how important is this "band" effect as I know players who went through but I guess it would be worth to make statistics.
Garvin Gray (2017-07-02 04:33:16)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
I have wondered for a long while whether:
1) The 2300 rated players or higher who started on this site, were not really 2300 in comparison to quite a few 2200 or so players
2) That deflation in the rating system at the top end has occurred in the system over time
Sergey Zemlyanov (2017-07-03 22:02:59)
My new match with GM Eros Riccio
Hi all! I just transfer 100 euros to the site in hope to play with GM Eros Riccio in Standart Tournament with 100 e-points as entry fee. I know him as one of the strongest corrchess players of the world, but I'll try to survive in two games. And I'm not going to purposely shut out the game.
Herbert Kruse (2017-05-12 11:13:38)
WCH_ROUND_ROBIN_FINAL__000015
i think its long time ago since stage 2 finished and we could begin
Steven DuCharme (2017-05-30 13:18:24)
Most Embarrassing Loss Ever...
White(me)g3 h3 Rb4 Rd4 Qb8 Kg4 Black g5 h6 Qa5 Kf6 Last move of game was B8(Q).
Resignation immediately followed. Ego crushing for me and a lesson for all.
Daniel Parmet (2017-07-05 03:43:11)
Ratings
To start with you have 1852 rated IMs that are 2352 on ICCF. The ratings here often don't make any sense at all. And for me, 2135 drawing such a player is a huge hit to my rating here while on ICCF I may lose a fraction of a rating point for such a draw.
Daniel Parmet (2017-07-05 21:00:10)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
It doesn't help that there are so many massively underrated players. I haven't played here in 4 years. My rating here is 2135 while I am 2379 on ICCF.
I will imminently draw an 1852 rated player here which seems like a big upset and my rating will take a big hit. But on ICCF this IM player is 2352. I would lose about 1 rating point. So here I out rate him by 283 points while on ICCF I outrate him by 27 points.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-07-08 19:26:50)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Rules asked by players do not converge all the time, that's the least to say. Many prefer that games lost on time be punished by massive losses of elo points to prevent games lost on time, while many prefer that ratings stay coherent, whatever the losses (mainly on time)... And of course, games played at FICGS are not as important as games played at ICCF for most strong players. Conclusion is easy. But maybe there should be a change in the rating calculation to create some inflation... This could be worth a discussion.
Daniel Parmet (2017-07-10 00:28:19)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Well, I think there needs to be something less in the sense of rating inflation but perhaps floors added for players with high ratings for ICCF. There is no way you can tell me an IM 2350+ player should be allowed to have a sub 2100 rating here. In general, I am not a fan of the concept of flooring... but in this case there are many such underrated players that bring down the entire rating average here.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-07-20 16:31:47)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Ok, I finally slightly changed the rating calculation in this way... let's see how the whole thing will evolve (it will take time anyway).
Thibault de Vassal (2017-08-06 17:36:46)
When chess is just beauty
I just lost my chess master.
François Melison was a great friend to me, and a very special chess player as all who played him over the board know.
Actually he was the only one I never saw playing to win, even during a rated tournament (his performances were always 200 or 300 points below his level, often losing on time in winning positions - even when having the time to win, even against fide masters).
It seems to me that his deep motivation was to understand, to touch the beauty and nature of the game... that changed my vision of chess but not only, most probably, even if I was never close to approach his talent and vision of the board. He played correspondence chess when real mail was used, when it was a very special thing compared to this strange time dominated by computers. He was able to play blindfold of course, and some simultaneous games are great memories for a few of his chess friends.
He just played for the beauty of chess, or maybe he played for the beauty only.
He was 54 only. I'll miss him.
Condolences from all his friends at ESIGETEL go to his family.
Marek Trokenheim (2017-08-15 09:48:32)
contact other member
How do I contact some other member here privately?
Marek Trokenheim (2017-08-16 12:10:16)
contact other member
Daniel Palmer, thank you very much! I found it and I used it already :)
Steven DuCharme (2017-08-17 01:51:52)
When chess is just beauty
condolences to all who knew him
Herbert Kruse (2017-09-01 20:14:42)
Kasparovs comeback in chess
i didnt see any good theoretical choices from him, in my opinion he is far away from the state of the art theory
but he is a good fighter, if he can be more concentrated or physical strengh were better he could win, because the positions were chaotic and he is a still very good tactical player :)
Garvin Gray (2017-10-01 06:36:44)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Quick observation from beginning of final round. Players are not stuffing around and taking forever with their opening moves.
Knowing they have 16 games to play and a time control of 30 days plus 1 day per move, players seem to be getting through the opening phase quickly, to get as much extra time on their clock in all their games as possible.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-10-01 13:40:40)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Herbert: Yes it was, now it should be less the case (about ratings). Let's see in a few months.
Garvin: About CUP final, yes looks like reasonable to play the opening as fast as possible (just like in WCH)... 16 games is really tough to manage in the middle game, that's why I was more favourable to a longer time control for this cycle, but obviously many players are faster than me :)
Sergey Zemlyanov (2017-10-09 08:11:36)
Ficgs is a money trap * BEWARE *
Hello, Thibault,
Well. I hear you. This is a real scam ("lohotron")! However, from a legal point of view, you are right. Because the text of the rules was written in a small font somewhere on the site. And still, such important moments should be in a visible place, so that beginners can immediately familiarize themselves with the site rules. From the point of view of morality it is a fraud. Similarly, I will give an example: often, when a person, which is a pensioner or disabled (by health), comes to the Bank, then the Bank offer to him to make a loan at high interest rates. Then the bank's employers give him a document in which you can see (only having good eyesight!) a rule written in a very small font and in future that document will eventually bankrupt this poor person! Very unpleasant incident, Thibault! 100 euros is a big money for me! I am disabled for health reasons and my pension is about 250 euros, most of this money goes to expensive medications. When I agreed to the match with Eros, I didn’t know all the tricks and traps on you site.
Okay, I'm ready to agree with you if you spend my money on charity. There are so many unfortunate people in the world now!
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-10-20 15:39:29)
AlphaGo Zero
I believe, some pros started to call it "she" long time ago, because it felt more correct for them. (Because language reasons.)
Garvin Gray (2017-11-01 15:42:29)
Adjudications & 7 pieces tablebases
Since no one else has answered this. The reason why 7 piece tablebases are not yet used as declared results is two fold:
1) All positions have not yet been completely solved. This is my understanding at this point in time. Even if this point is now incorrect, please refer to point 2
2) The positions are not freely available and able to be reviewed to verify that a position is a draw or win for the claimant. At this point in time, this is possible for all 6 man positions, with sites like shredder tablebases site, for instance. Just copy your fen in as the arbiter and up come the result.
This type of resource does not yet exist for 7 man endings and until it does, 7 man adjudications will remain outside the rulings of official decisions.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-11-25 21:05:20)
The older rating lists
At last, all correspondence chess rating lists (from the server start, march 2006) are available by clicking "Rating lists" and following "The older rating lists"... 1 year of ratings by page.
As it was asked by a few players for a long time, only players who were REALLY active (who finished at least one game at most 1 year before or 1 year after the period) are listed in.
Many informations and good memories :) The worst part is that I can see clearly the reality: About 50% players left in about 4 or 5 years. The peak was about 900 players, there are now only 261 active correspondence chess players. Time to find new ideas, definitely.
Herbert Kruse (2017-11-25 21:43:23)
The older rating lists
make shorter time per move, maybe 12 hours
Thibault de Vassal (2017-11-25 22:05:11)
The older rating lists
It may have disastrous consequences on the number of games lost on time (and its own consequences), unfortunately :/ But if others ask for it also, I could envisage it for some tourneys.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-12-07 16:44:05)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
It looks like there's no more month without news from Google Deepmind... This time again, this is quite stunning!
AlphaZero would have been able to beat (crush) the most recent version of Stockfish, that is also the world champion program and of course the free engine well known by correspondence chess players.
But most important is that actually AlphaZero would have outperformed Stockfish after only 4 hours of training (if I understood well), while it took 8 hours to outperform AlphaGo Lee and only 120 minutes to outperform Elmo at Shogi! However it seems much much harder for the neural program to improve at chess after this stunningly fast auto-learning.
100 games played (25 wins & 25 draws with white! 3 wins with black... no loss, either with white or black, which is an incredible performance)
All details available (must read) here:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01815.pdf
http://www.sciencealert.com/it-took-4-hours-google-s-ai-world-s-best-chess-player-deepmind-alphazero
A few games played by AlphaZero against Stockfish are included in the arxiv article.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-12-08 03:47:56)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
According to Chessbase, there was 24 hours of self-learning before the match.
Also, "AlphaZero was calculating roughly 80 thousand positions per second, while Stockfish, running on a PC with [32-cores, was calculating] about 70 million positions per second.", about 900 times slower that is quite significant.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-future-is-here-alphazero-learns-chess
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-08 10:00:57)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
No, just do some collective, distributed training of the neural network (multiple machines doing self-play, one doing update sof the network), with public weights of the resulting neural network and open-source "Stockfish-Zero" for running it.
The Leela author is doing something similar with Leela-Zero project, for example.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-08 11:01:15)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
The result could be run on any machine - either with possibly beefy video cards, or using only the slower CPU.
On correspondence time controls that would great analysis tool in any case.
Garvin Gray (2017-12-08 15:07:01)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Thanks for the extra information Thibault about processing speed available to both engines.
Also, I wonder how AlphaZero would go against the latest Houdini and Komodo with equal equipment?
The question is not one of curiousity, but is more that I have a suspicion that also the AlphaZero programmers had the opportunity to gain quite an advantage because Stockfish is open course and so they could really work out how the engine 'works'.
This process would be much harder against Houdini or Komodo. So a long time control match against either of those engines with equal processing power would be a fairer test.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-08 18:10:02)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
That too close to conspiracy theory. If one can't trust Deepmind, well, there are even worse ways how they could cheat - including completely falsified games by some bored grandmasters with engine and lots of free time.
Timofey Denisov (2017-12-08 20:58:14)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Then WHY AlphaZero isn't in CCRL?
I think it was such method of cheating: different hardware. So AlphaZero has much more CPU time. It's explains all...
Timofey Denisov (2017-12-08 21:03:17)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
And UCI protocol don't require "per se" alpha-beta search algorythm. Engine can send to analysis NOTHING, and respond only MOVE with any score.
Arturas Drozdovas (2017-12-08 21:16:36)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Just look how alphazero plays, strategic moves that lead to a win. Its impossible for houdini, komodo or stockfish to find these moves with any of the hardware.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-08 22:56:07)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Here is also a Reddit thread with few comments/answers from Stockfish author Tord Romstad:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/7igro1/alphazero_reactions_from_top_gms_stockfish_author/
One quote from it.
<< But please note that I don't really blame Google. They didn't do anything wrong. They were running a scientific experiment, not a sporting event, and their experiment convincingly demonstrates what they set out to prove. >>
Garvin Gray (2017-12-09 09:09:47)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Just to be clear, or a clarification for those who need it. I never stated that anyone from AlphaZero cheated, or did anything of the kind.
All I stated was that because Stockfish is an open source program, they had the opportunity to study how the program works and tune AlphaZero to take advantage of that.
Any opponent should take advantage of any small advantage they can gain.
I also made clear mention of the processing speed differences. This presented AlphaZero a clear advantage. The issue of same hardware being used is not a new topic. It is brought up in almost every tournament when chess engine tournaments are being played. That for a fair and level competition, the engines need to compete on similar strong hardware.
Reading some of the other replies and thinking further about my first post, I wonder how AlphaZero would go if a four engine event was held, with one game per day between Houdini, Komodo, Stockfish and AlphaZero with equal hardware being used?
Little opportunity then to tune AlphaZero to one specific engine and it would be more a test of the overall strength of the engine in long time control play.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-09 11:24:21)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Tuning against specific opponent = 100% cheating, in this context. In that case Deepmind simply lied in their own article.
Herbert Kruse (2017-12-09 17:04:48)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
i am not impressed at all, in corr chess AZ would be no help
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-09 21:49:56)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
If you limit it to only one minute, then I
almost agree.
Garvin Gray (2017-12-14 11:47:49)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Even more I read about this result, the more I am inclined to put this result in the 'nice story' but the devil is in the detail.
The time control was 1 minute per move, no tablebases and limited hardware for Stockfish.
This is a major limiting factor for any of the major programs and not how they are designed to work.
Also reading the chessbase article, as I suspected, AlphaZero was able to play many, many games against the Stockfish program, but Stockfish had no such opportunity against AlphaZero.
And so with each game, AlphaZero and the programmers had the opportunity to learn about Stockfish's strengths and weaknesses. Stockfish had no such opportunity.
The only way to see if AlphaZero and its MonteCarlo system is any good is for it to enter the next Computer World Championship and play under equal equipment against all the best chess programs.
Same time control, same processing power , opening books tailored for each engine and tablebases available for each engine.
That is the only way to find out how good the next version of AlphaZero really is.
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-14 12:09:18)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
Conspiracy theories and not understanding of Deepmind motivation.
They tested if the concept works. It was success. They are satisfied and start working on other interesting/useful stuff, as they mostly don't care about chess.
The only training of AlphaZero happened when it played against itself. Stockfish was just an opponent to play against - to check how strong has AlphaZero became.
AlphaZero too had no opening book or endgame tablebases, so that's not relevant. Etc. etc., basically too much conspiracy theories and too much caring about which is the most strongest engine (at least in comparison to Deepmind, as they are totally chill about it, imho :D). :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2017-12-14 12:20:51)
AlphaZero stronger than Stockfish
The best we can hope is:
1) release of other 90 games against Stockfish
2) some self-play games of AlphaZero, when it's fully trained
3) *maybe* some additional games against more powerful Stockfish or some other engine
The best thing in all cases all - possibility to see more AlphaZero games. More very interesting, strategic games.
I can run Stockfish on my computer and only wait 20-50 times longer to get highest quality games of it (sorry, slow computer :D), but I can't do that with AlphaZero, until chess community hasn't made their own version.
Garvin Gray (2017-12-22 10:06:03)
Monte Carlo Analysis
Time to start a thread on this topic, since it has gained some 'fame' with AlphaZero's win.
I have been looking at it and experimenting with it using Fritz 16 gui, but so far it seems to be only using Fritz 16 as the main engine, even though I am choosing four engines.
I have tried different depth (keeping them odd as recommended) and also both middle and broad search options.
So I am a bit lost as to the value of Monte Carlo Analysis for correspondence play. Is someone able to assist on whether it will show analysis or games from other engines, or how the breakdown works?
Thibault de Vassal (2017-12-22 23:28:18)
Monte Carlo Analysis
Oh wow, it looks like I have no more idea of what Fritz Gui looks like nowadays... Is there a "Monte Carlo" engine or is it a Fritz option? Or is it the old option allowing engines to play each other in tournaments on various openings & positions?
Actually, I don't see the interest of a 'pure' Monte Carlo method in chess as it just looks like a non-optimized search. But it seems to me that it's a long time that engines use algorithms that look like it when it may be useful (particularly in calm positions & endgames). So, it's just a "plus" if you have some processing time to do it (like AlphaZero, having a much more powerful hardware), otherwise...
Right now, I must say I still have no accurate idea of how AlphaZero plays chess.
Garvin Gray (2017-12-23 00:53:39)
Monte Carlo Analysis
In the Fritz 16 gui, you choose Monte Carlo Analysis from the header options, just like you would if you were choosing infinite analysis or deep position analysis and the many other types of game styles.
Your main engine must be Fritz 16, which seems to be a pain. This is one of my questions about this analysis style. Will explain more below.
Then after choosing Monte Carlo Analysis, Fritz gui will change over to MCA and a new screen will appear with options:
Search depth: default is 5. The first is the search depth, with a default of "5". This controls how far ahead (in half-moves, or "plies") the engine will look before making a move. For example, if you leave this at "5", the engine will look 2.5 moves ahead before making a move. Remember, the engine is going to be playing a lot of games against itself and storing the moves in the form of a tree, so the search depth is important. You must realize, however, that there's something of a tradeoff here; the higher you set the search depth, the more time the engine will need to make each move -- so you're trading time for depth. On the other hand, setting a lower search depth means that many more games will be played in a given amount of time, but that the moves themselves are likely to be more superficial.
Keep in mind, too, that you should use only odd numbers for the search depth, because chess engines tend to develop a tactical "blind spot" when made to analyze at even ply depths. Rule of thumb: odd numbers good, even numbers bad.
The second setting is the "width" of the tree. This is similar in some ways to the "Branching factor" in Deep Position Analysis and is another "space for time" tradeoff. If you create a "Narrow" tree, you won't see many alternative moves displayed in your game tree but the overall process of playing games and generating the tree will be faster. "Broad" trees show more alternatives but take longer to generate (it requires more processor time and thus slows down the chess engine).
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So in all from my reading- what I can seem to deduce is- MCA plays many games against itself starting from the set position. The longer you leave the analysis, the more 'reliable' the results.
The question, or issue I am having at the moment for testing is, in the Fritz gui, I am having to use Fritz 16 as the main engine but am not seeing the analysis change to any other engines, so am wondering how long before it does, or will it only analysis the position in Fritz 16?
Considering at the start when you were loading your setting, you were given the option of four engines, this seems confusing to me.
So I thought I would ask if someone else had more experience with MCA and how it works?
Also, what about Deep position analysis? We could start a thread about that one too.
Daniel Parmet (2017-12-24 18:51:20)
Monte Carlo Analysis
I thought the whole idea of IDEA was a human thought merge of computer analysis through MCA?
I had the thought about using MCA with chess engines as the brain nearly 5 years ago at work. My boss loved the idea and tasked me with it. However, I have no coding skills so my ability was limited to what was available which was extremely limited at the time.
The best way to think of MCA is to accept that we don't know what move is best (hence why Alphazero didn't have or want an opening book or games database). From here now, it's like trying to predict what's best and what will come from flipping a coin 5 million times. You know in a coin scenario that it is 50%. But what about the stock market? A lottery ticket? A game of black jack? Or Chess? Each individual decision could yield 50.1% in favor and by MCA you will find it. It will create a tree that shows a RANGE of your worst possibilities to best on a probalistic manner. The most common use is for wealth management investing.
As for how to change off the Fritz engine, I don't know. I could never figure that out (though I only have the Fritz 13 gui). I guess I was hoping this feature would be improved over time. Perhaps now due to Alphazero, it will be.
Thibault de Vassal (2017-12-29 23:07:05)
FICGS Android APP beta version
Finally... finally, FICGS Android applications are here:
http://www.ficgs.com/chess-online_gbr.html
Basically, the 4 versions are quite the same: only the name & icon change.
I tested it in many ways and it looks like it works fine and display seems ok, so feel free to try it, any feedback would be much appreciated!
I will publish it in APP stores soon, let's hope it will help to attract many new players (most probably Go players & chess players without engines IMO) and bring back a few ones :)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-10 22:29:48)
1st King Supertournament
Dear chessfriends, FICGS Android apps are now bringing a really different playing experience!
All 4 apps are now dedicated to either chess, Go or Poker Holdem (or all games) with specific features that make it easier and compliant with laws in more countries, that's why it is now useful to install them all and use it according to your taste at the moment.
Of course, it is more dedicated to "chess for fun", that's why it's a good time to start the very 1st FICGS chess King Supertournament:
- No engines or databases allowed
- Unrated thematic tournament: King's gambit
- Marathon tournament : unlimited number of players / games
- Flash deadline: The tournament will start on January 17th, 2018
Will you dare to enter this much fun and challenging waiting list? :)
Finally, these apps are very good news for FICGS as new players are coming again... It was really time, particularly after the last server crash! Now I'll make my possible to make FICGS great again, or even greater :)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-11 03:13:36)
1st King Supertournament
Hi Christoph,
I agree that engines may be there anyway (I added a permanent warning in the "move_express" page), and also that King's Gambit needs to be analyzed again and again :)
There are several reasons for this choice for this particular tournament...
1. The tournament's format: The number of games may be huge and practically impossible to manage with databases & engines analysis. At least, it could be dissuasive! By the way, there are regularly King's gambit thematic in the Special Chess Tournaments category.
2. The "applications friendly" idea: Unlike most other tournaments, this one will be particulary playable just for fun from anywhere with a phone.
And before everything, this is just an experiment...
Let's try something new :)
Kym Farnik (2018-01-15 07:11:04)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Hi
I've used a site in the past with conditional moves. VERY handy!
Especially for forced moves or obvious moves.
For those against the idea - you don't have to use the feature :)
It would speed up games for those that want to use it.
I'm a software developer with PHP experience and would be happy to help implement the feature!
(Yes, putting my money where my mouth is so to speak)
Thanks!
Garvin Gray (2018-01-16 00:52:53)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Ahh conditional moves again. Seems like once a year this topic comes up. Rinse and repeat.
For the record, yes I am in favour it. So please do not take my position as being against it.
This discussion has been held before a few times, but the site does change.
Thibault, what is this sites current capability to handle conditional moves? They would only just have to be just one line linear conditionals.
Kym Farnik (2018-01-16 03:01:46)
Conditional chess moves (again)
@Thibault ... my offer to assist development is real.
1. Design a prototype UI (probably JS tool to do up to maybe 3 lines of conditionals)
2. Feedback from members
3. Review design
4. Implement and deploy to test site
5. TEST !!
6. Rinse repeat 4/5 until happy
7. Deploy beta
8. Feedback and tune as needed
9. Go live
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-16 16:43:40)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Hi all,
Before everything, let's make it clear: Absolute priority (for years actually, but particularly since the launch of the Android apps) right now is to increase the popularity of the server, that slowly went down for more than 5 years. Now it's going better for the first time since, but I'm still working on and have much to do there.
Well, let's say this would be the right thing to do after all (which is another debate, with questions like what if a player does not want his opponent to use this option that by the way he cannot or does not want to use himself because it goes too fast and/or gains time on clock - case that I saw at another server).
Don't misunderstand me: I already used conditional moves at other servers and I liked it too, but I did not find it essential. Also, we all know that all opinions are in nature. And as a reminder, one goal of this server was to offer the simpliest & lightest (HTML or HTML & few javascript) interface.
Kim, one question to think about the work to do in your step 1:
How do you imagine the communication between a Javascript interface & php server? Well, I know how to implement Ajax (which I chose not to use at FICGS), this is not the point here. But it is not enough that moves are verified by javascript - that is a big work if you do it from zero - , it must be validated by the server itself, then confirmed or not to the player, meaning casually one more step. Means more php jobs from the server (which is not a big deal) so new codes that would be compatible between that Javascript UI (that must fit to site's design) & FICGS (that is not obvious if you know the small possible differences in terms of PGN format), a new field in database, the way to handle it after few conditional moves & so on.
Once more, it is feasible, of course. But there are obvious difficulties: it is not possible to add such code without being completely in FICGS codes, that are not object-oriented.
Anyway, if the number of active players grows again, I'm quite sure we'll have a good occasion to discuss it (with some more pressure ^^).
Kym Farnik (2018-01-17 00:34:08)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Hi
First thanks for making your position clear.
Yes, JS talking Ajax to a PHP handler.
I have implemented this type of thing in the past.
Even if the main FICGS code is totally procedural, it is not uncommon to build a new feature using an OO module, and in time either run old and new code in parallel. Or... migrate all the code to a new OO framework over time.
The play move and add conditionals interface would need to be made JS and redesigned. The back end would I expect have a game/move/conditional validator function.
There are plenty of JS chess interfaces that could be used as design input.
I recognize this is a major project for a one man team. I'd say 4-6 weeks of full time effort, possibly longer if we have to design a OO framework for the back end. Hence my offer to help as I'm semi-retired and have time.
A good isolated dev and test environment is mandatory. This is not just a simple site hack.
I hope this helps!
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-17 02:04:09)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Many thanks for this nice proposal Kym! By the way, I have no doubt that you could do much better than me (and with more time).
Well, as you understood FICGS has become a big complex (& quite old) thing that is not easy to shake. Each time I think about conditional moves, the more problems I identify (chess 960, draw offers, messages & so on)
Let's give us a few weeks to think about it. Not a way to throw it away, but I really need time for now to work on apps popularity.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-17 05:01:38)
Spice up chess? More members
Another interesting & old topic, very tough actually to make everyone happy when trying to reduce chances of losses on time... still unsolved :)
Clodomiro Ortiz (2018-01-17 11:59:10)
Spice up chess? More members
I like the idea of a SUPER RAPID TOUR..of course, it is lead to the segment of population with enough available time...remember that sometimes losing on time is a decision some people prefer as a tactic to delay defeat.Anyway, everyone should be responsible for the tour selected...
Garvin Gray (2018-01-17 12:57:54)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Kym: Point 2- regarding whether to allow more than one line of conditional moves.
I think it is important to introduce a concept now called project scope. What this means is setting the outer limits of the project and also what are the main aims, or purpose of the project.
Anything that is outside of these aims, is outside of the project scope and is rejected.
As was stated by yourself in the first post:
I've used a site in the past with conditional moves. VERY handy!
Especially for forced moves or obvious moves.
For those against the idea - you don't have to use the feature :)
It would speed up games for those that want to use it.
And then Herbert Kruse said- I like that idea.
So that gives a very good idea of what the project scope is, or the reason for allowing conditional moves- to allow players to make forced moves or obvious moves through conditional moves.
An issue that already occurs in correspondence chess is players either resigning by mistake, move slips, or other mistakes.
Introducing conditional moves will increase the possibility of this occurring. This is why the number of conditional moves must be kept to a minimum, hence why I believe the requirement for linear conditional moves.
This also makes it much easier to deal with draw offers.
Clodomiro Ortiz (2018-01-18 10:55:56)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Dear chessfriends,as someone nicely said,I am now at the clubhouse.i like that..On that account,i think legitimate to extend my congratulations,in advance,to the winner or winners of this first CHESS CUP,no matter who might be,because they are not responsible that anything can happen..what a lesson..Thanks for letting me be part of this event..Yesterday i was only ringing the bells before DEATH KNOCKS AT THE DOOR..WAKE UP my family,WAKEUP LEGITIMACY,that is my wife name,GET VACATION if necessary those who may feel tired at the final stage,,,SPECIAL THANKS FROM MY HEART TO THIBAULT,for keeping on,although not everyone is always satisfied,chess is beautiful but men not so much..What a wonderful world anyway..finally,i want to point out that nobody gave me one single point.What is not too bad...GOOD LUCK..Now i go silent until the end...
Herbert Kruse (2018-01-18 16:41:35)
Spice up chess? More members
players who lose on time wouldnt play faster tournaments
my main theme in ficgs is waiting - more for poker, but for chess games too
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-21 23:55:52)
Conditional chess moves (again)
Sure, it's feasible but the idea was to not implement this rule :) (correspondence chess is quite different from otb chess after all)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-22 00:51:19)
Chess engines in no engines tournaments
New topic to discuss what should be done when chess engines are probably or obviously used in no engines tournaments. Not so easy to judge, and it would be easy to make it quite invisible IMHO.
- Elo rating points loss?
- Loss of all games in the tournament?
- Nothing (comments will be enough)
Any other idea or preference?
Garvin Gray (2018-01-22 01:06:01)
Chess engines in no engines tournaments
The penalties have to be similar to players who are caught using engines at otb tournaments.
Loss of all games in the tournament ie they are kicked out of the tournament and then further sanctions are applied.
But working out how the person used engine assistance is the key question?
Most would say, oh the player choose the top or second ranked engine move almost all of the time. But most decent players would do that anyways.
So that is not a good enough standard. And so that then needs a new test.
It is personally one of the reasons why I did not speak in favour of the event.
Garvin Gray (2018-01-22 01:08:34)
Conditional chess moves (again)
The rules of the site already permit players to claim 6 man tablebase positions, when they appear on the board, as either a win or draw, even if the position is above 50 moves.
That rule is standard across all webserver sites.
Also, even though a position might say mate in 75 and the claim is granted, this does not mean it is outside of the 50 move rule as there maybe a capture or pawn move between the initial position and mate.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-23 00:08:33)
Conditional chess moves (again)
The exact rule is "The 50 moves rule is not implemented, please call referee if an obvious draw is not accepted by your opponent. Please note that a forced checkmate in more than 50 moves won't be considered as a draw."
Consequently, if tablebases say there is a draw, it is not always a draw here, e.g. if this is a draw because of the 50/60 moves FIDE rule.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-23 00:43:23)
Chess engines in no engines tournaments
... at least, for those who think by themselves (a vast majority, I guess), here's some help :)
http://image.farnik.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Think_In_Chess
Good advices here but it will not be enough to save some of my games ;)
Kym Farnik (2018-01-24 12:39:21)
Laws of Chess - new version
https://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=208&view=article
FIDE have news rulz effective 1/1/208.
Enjoy!
Also: Here are the changes... http://rules.fide.com/images/stories/Laws_of_Chess_2018_-_approved_amendments_-_correction_highlighted_version.pdf
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-28 02:00:36)
FICGS Android APP beta version
That's not what the app is supposed to do... it should be the "My games" pages actually. Is the login page's background blue or grey?
Navigation at the top may be a good idea, I'll try this (but I can't add the whole menu there, it would take too much place IMO, it wouldn't be easy to "click" with fingers on tactile screens).
Thibault de Vassal (2018-02-13 20:07:32)
New FICGS app: beta test
After hundreds of bug fixes & improvements, it looks like a v1.0 now, compatible with most devices... Will be on the Play Store soon.
Any feedback welcome :)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-02-15 23:48:00)
Stockfish 9 released
It seems that Stockfish 9 is now available... Did anyone test it already?
http://stockfishchess.org/download/
Any improvement "noticed"? (seems hard to notice anything anymore :))
We'll see what rating it reaches on CEGT lists...
Garvin Gray (2018-02-16 01:25:26)
Stockfish 9 released
Probably a bit early to ask if any genuine improvements are noticeable, since its just been released :)
One comment that I do remember from the recent Computer World Champs, where Houdini and Komodo made the finals, and Stockfish 8 missed out by a whisker, was that each of the programmers said that Stockfish did not convert some positions because it did not have as high a contempt factor as Houdini and Komodo.
So it is likely that for Stockfish 9, this is an area that the programmers have worked on.
Kym Farnik (2018-02-16 09:21:20)
Stockfish 9 released
FYI Development builds now have dynamic contempt.
Author: Stefano Cardanobile
Date: Fri Feb 9 19:07:19 2018 +0100
Timestamp: 1518199639
Introduce dynamic contempt
Make contempt dependent on the current score of the root position.
The idea is that we now use a linear formula like the following to decide
on the contempt to use during a search :
contempt = x + y * eval
where x is the base contempt set by the user in the "Contempt" UCI option,
and y * eval is the dynamic part which adapts itself to the estimation of
the evaluation of the root position returned by the search. In this patch,
we use x = 18 centipawns by default, and the y * eval correction can go
from -20 centipawns if the root eval is less than -2.0 pawns, up to +20
centipawns when the root eval is more than 2.0 pawns.
To summarize, the new contempt goes from -0.02 to 0.38 pawns, depending if
Stockfish is losing or winning, with an average value of 0.18 pawns by default.
Kym Farnik (2018-02-16 10:07:33)
FICGS Android APP beta version
I used the app for moves today. Simple and easy!
Thibault de Vassal (2018-02-16 19:33:12)
New FICGS app: beta test
3 new FICGS applications based on the "Chess Trainer" app :
- Blindfold chess : same, but on en empty board... for experts, IM & GM.
- Chess 960 : the famous Fischer random chess version... much fun!
- Random : even more random, up to 7 knights, bishops, rooks or queens.
As for me, I quite like the "Random chess" app :)
Garvin Gray (2018-02-22 11:22:43)
Norm qualification criteria, incorrect?
In looking at the current group/event that I am playing in, which is Rapid SM 15, according to the current way FICGS sets the scores for norms, to get a FIM norm for that event, FEM is at 4 and FIM as at 4.5 for all players.
It has occurred to me that this is different to how fide works out norm opportunities in round robin and swiss events.
In those events, each players average rating of their opponents is worked out and then that is plugged into the system and then that expected score is used to work out what score they need to get a FEM or FIM norm or higher.
To explain further as that might be unclear.
In the group I am talking about, PoulErik Jorgensen has an equal chance of getting an FEM or FIM norm than someone who is rated lower than him, even though that other player is playing a field who is stronger.
So using the FIDE way and the percentages for FEM and FIM norm, I play and average rating field of 2337.8, round up to 2338. This means that in a category 4 event, I need to score 56 percent, or 3.5 for an FEM and 67 percent or 4 points, not 4.5 for a FIM norm.
Now also doing some further calculating, Alex Wosch is able to score a FSM norm as his average rating of opponents is 2,329 and would then need to score 4.5. Under the current arrangement, he is deprived of this opportunity.
Therefore, I could give a rundown of all players, but I am of the conclusion that the current method of calculating Norm qualifications is inadequate and needs to be refined.
My thoughts were triggered to this from the FICGS world cup when any player to reach a FEM norm needed to score 12/16, which was clearly an outlandish score given the field.
Garvin Gray (2018-02-26 02:50:10)
Norm qualification criteria, incorrect?
ICCF is the FIDE way. As all events are round robin, each player is told the score they need to achieve to get a Norm before the event begins.
Almost any item can be easily understandable if kept simple, but does this mean it is the best system if it does not produce the most accurate results for player performances?
For Comparison with ICCF: Here you have the point total for all players to get a norm in norm tournaments.
At ICCF: In the Points table, they have columns which show what score each player needs to reach to get that particular norm.
So that information is included in the cross table.
Garvin Gray (2018-03-03 05:44:33)
World Championship Groups
I know this is not the first time this question has been asked, but thought this could be explained again as I am a bit confused.
I have looked at the layout for the stages of the World Championship Groups and the path that each group takes, but I am a bit confused about how being put into a stronger pool of players ie Group SM is an advantage.
It seems to be that the players in Group SM or M are still starting from stage 1.
So, the players who finish at the bottom of this group can be bundled out of the event, whereas someone who was in Group 1 starts at the same level and plays against players 2000 or so.
I am confused as to what advantage there is to being put into Group SM is?
Herbert Kruse (2023-01-02 03:02:55)
poker reflection time
2016.11.04 began the Poker World Championship number 12 but I don't know what the price for winning is, just that I won it now
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-03 20:37:38)
World Championship Groups
Maybe not an advantage according to the point of view, but certainly "different". An occasion to reach stage 3 directly or to to play stage 2 as seed 1 in any group (kind of stage 1 and a half if you like fractals :)). An occasion to play more interesting games (and more chances to gain elo points). It is quite complex to balance all differences IMO. Anyway, there is not much interest for 2200+ players to checkmate 1300-1700 players, particularly when playing without engines I guess.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-14 23:12:38)
A few questions to Nelson Bernal Varela
Nelson Bernal Varela is an early FICGS correspondence chess player, now rated 2277 but also rated 2359 at ICCF (Correspondence Chess Master - CCM).
Last but not least, and as all poker holdem players here probably noticed, he is also our ranked #1 for years, who just reached an outstanding poker rating of 2382, while number two is now rated "only" 2212. A good occasion to ask him a few questions, that he kindly accepted to answer.
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- Hello Nelson! You are the 2nd most active player at FICGS for years now. Everyone here probably noticed your incredible results in poker tournaments. "Correspondence poker holdem" was probably a strange idea as it is very unusual and very different from "Internet poker". What's your opinion on this and on the presence of a card game (played without money) at FICGS?
NBV: There are more important things than money and one of those is HONOR; It is honorable to be a chess master, international master, grandmaster, world chess champion at ICCF and at FICGS and to be number one in the ranking. It is honorable to be a FICGS world champion at Go and to be first in the ranking, it is honorable to be poker world champion at FICGS poker and in my case, it is an honor to be number one at poker here at FICGS during the last years, understanding that our general level of play has improved remarkably. None of these activities produces money, but to achieve any of the mentioned titles, it is necessary to have extraordinary abilities.
When I was about 18 years old, I had the opportunity to meet a person with immense material wealth, we spent whole evenings playing chess and then I told him my perceptions about each movement of the game. He thanked me for my chess explanations and paid me with good money. That wealthy man in his turn told me about life and recommended that I should always be proud of the gifts I had, since he knew, with all the money he had and being able to hire the best grandmasters in the world, that it could hardly come at the level of chess master. That person told me that the intellect can be turned into money whenever you want.
Now, by playing poker without money at FICGS, I understood that it was my extraordinary and wonderful opportunity to study-learn-perfect and test my poker theories without costing me a single dollar. In FICGS there is no money, but thanks to the knowledge I gained playing poker in FICGS, today I can go after the money in online poker rooms and probably in OTB poker tournaments. I am studying the possibility of becoming a professional poker player.
- The understanding of your opponent's behaviour is usually quite important at Poker. Do you manage to establish some profiles while playing so many simultaneous hands & games? Did you build any method?
NBV: Today I am sure that the most important thing to raise, and keep raising my level in poker, has been to build a psychological profile of mine, to get to know Nelson Bernal Varela in depth and above all to understand me, accept me, love me and be work every day eliminating my technical errors, strategic, psychological that make me play badly. I am aware that in poker I can play perfectly and still lose, what I can not forgive me is playing badly, which is why I work hard correcting my wrong decisions.
Of course, there is a space in my brain where I have built a psychological profile of each contender, that profile I have been able to elaborate with all the information that is provided to me in each hand we play. The way each of us plays, gives reliable information about our personality.
About my method I can write the following: A few years ago, I created a table in excel, where I had all the games with each contender, I identified them with the FICGS numeration and each movement in each hand (preflop, flop, turn, river ) it I was writing and studying; I started to add technical-psychological variables that seemed important to me, resulting in 20 variables that I had to qualify in each movement. With the passage of time and my effort, I no longer needed the excel table and I did not use it again (it was exhausting and time consuming) because I was assimilating things faster and with greater depth. Today I can say that I evaluate these 20 variables in a natural way, as if I was breathing and that when I am at a poker table, online or real, after a few minutes I get the psychological profile of the table and each of my opponents. In the pocket of my shirt I keep a small paper with the list of variables, periodically reread it and I wonder if I should modify, remove or add something.
- You won 1007 poker games, and lost only 380, with a ratio usually going from 57% to 80% according to your best opponents. Undoubtly you know the mathematics hidden behind poker but that may not explain everything. How did you learn to play?
NBV: Mathematics is an ingredient in poker, in the same way that my psychological aspects and of my opponents (I recommend reading-studying about four times the book “The Poker mindset†of Ian Taylor and Matthew Hilger), it is vital to understand the Law of Large Numbers. Next I make a list of topics that I consider important to raise the level of poker; compete with EV+ cards, you have to know the small ball theory of Negreanu (but not apply it, hahaha) you have to always look at the texture of the board, you have to evaluate your reality and your future, also that of your opponents (act and power), the position to talk is important, the stack, the personality of the table, know who has the panic button on. All these and other variables must be evaluated in the few seconds they have to make a move and the only important thing is to make the right decision according to the circumstances. There is a good list of poker books to read... it is mandatory to have read about 15 poker books.
- As for me, I may be wrong but I can't imagine that you reached such a rating without special techniques & maybe by optimizing it in some ways... Of course, "rating management" is not a problem, and it is only one thing with a limited impact, but maybe you have some other secrets? What about this "+1" technique that I noticed in many of our games, if this is not a secret? :)
NBV: In these years I have used different techniques that I had to read, study, learn, repeat, modify, invent and sometimes eliminate. Poker is a sport that seems easy, with time one manages to understand that it has an amazing complexity, today I consider poker to be as complex as chess and I study them in a "similar" way. As an example, I have tried to create "openings in poker"; based only on probabilities I invented something that I called mirror theory and another "opening" that I called opposite outs. I am fascinated by mathematics and from the mathematical perspective they are perfect "theories-openings", but I have lost tournaments and a lot of money for applying such theories in mistaken emotional moments. In poker it is important to never lose sight of the Law of Large Numbers and be aware that this LAW likes to make fun of each one of us... I am working on giving an emotional nuance to my theories "mirror" and "opposite outs". There are moments when perfect mathematics becomes an unforgivable psychological error...
For the last few months I have modified my way of playing and my results have improved; Today it must be much more difficult to win a game me, thanks to small and imperceptible adjustments that of course only I know, because I have followed my mistakes-successes-evolution in the game over several years.
- Isn't it too frustrating for you to play heads up only (here at least) ? Of course it is a way to improve this important technical case but we know that many complexities come with 3 to 8 players on the table, which is the most common case in professional poker tournaments.
NBV: Currently I spend little time every day playing heads-up in FICGS, thanks to the fact that I have the profile of each contender. The 4-5 hours that I study poker daily, include practice in micro limits in cash tables of 6 players and tournaments in tables of 8-9 players. I think I'm covering the whole range of possibilities, experiencing game situations between 1 and 8 contenders.
- What do you think about computer analysis in poker? Do you think it could make a difference here just like the way we play advanced chess?
NBV: I think the algorithms are ready to be written in machine language and the question is where are those algorithms? Well, in the brains of the best players in the world and in their games compiled in huge databases. But programming language can be accelerated with artificial intelligence brains, making A.I. studying databases of the best professionals, playing with itself millions of games and building an invincible TACTIC-STRATEGIC SYSTEM, similar to chess software and GO... I think preflop and flop play would be very similar between humans and artificial intelligence, but on the turn and on the river artificial intelligence would take considerable advantage, but in the short time the level of human poker would rise because artificial intelligence would teach us to play poker, this event that would diminish the profits of the professionals. It will always be said in favor of poker that because it is an incomplete game of information, to make computer algorithms are quite complicated, but despite that, I am sure that artificial intelligence will far surpass the best human poker player. It is possible that an artificial intelligence that plays a perfect poker already exists, but unlike GO and chess, poker does produce a lot of money. Due to the money factor, in today's world, it is very difficult that there is a Prometheus willing to steal fire from the gods and give it to mankind...
- How would you describe your relation to games in general?
NBV: I can summarize it in one of the first chess books I had the fortune to read, by the great Danish master Bent Larsen, "I play to win"
- When did you start to play chess & poker? Do you play other games?
NBV: My first contact with chess was at the age of nine, it was love at first sight and until death separates us; I must confess that for some years we have been separated, due to my stupidity and my erroneous decisions. I have always been self-taught in any subject, my method is to buy about 10 to 15 books of the subject that interests me and I read them thoroughly, sometimes 3 or 4 times; already with that information in my head and thanks to the constant practice, I build MY SYSTEM (Nimzowitch) according to my personality, my dreams, my desires, my anguish, my fears... I was youth champion of Bogotá, for 4 years , my OTB level was strong, but I had to abandon chess because I had to work and survive; Being an athlete in Colombia is an absolutely difficult thing, but being a chess player is extremely complicated since there is no support or respect from society and you can not live by chess, because it does not produce money.
I met poker in 2009 in FICGS, at that time I was in a terrible emotional situation, trying to get away from a relationship with a woman that I should never approach and where I wasted valuable time and energy. In that context, looking for my thoughts to be occupied, I ended up playing the FICGS C-24 poker tournament and tied the first place with three more players; I kept playing, without understanding what was happening with the cards and obviously, losing, until in 2010 I won the FICGS D-21 tournament with perfect score, 6 out of 6. I had already bought-read my first beginner book: Poker for Dummies of Harroch and Krieger, but my poker was coarse, wild, street, intuitive, amateur, without dedication or study. In the background of this paragraph, the affection and gratitude that I have for FICGS is condensed, a place where I have been able to build-practice-study-test MY SYSTEM in poker.
I play Backgammon, I do not care that it may sound pretentious-petulant, but I have a very strong level and I have not read my first book yet. Hahaha. Any year I register as a participant in the world championship and I will cause disgust to more than one professional. Hahaha. Unlike chess and poker, backgammon does not cause me stress, on the contrary, I feel a lot of joy and pleasure when I play backgammon. I feel something similar with math, reading and music. It's true and I'm proud, I've always been a NERD.
- We all know how difficult it is to reach a number 1 rank but it is even more difficult to keep it during a long time. What is your motivation? Do you have more goals to achieve (chess & other games included) ?
NBV: My motivation in any activity I undertake in my life is to do it with absolute passion (passion is everything you would do to get a breath of air, in the second before dying by drowning or suffocation).
I have several goals to accomplish before December 2021; In the ICCF correspondence chess I must reach the 2400 elo and get the titles of International Master, SIM and Grand Master, also perform outstanding performances in world championships. In FICGS Chess I must complete my Master and International Master titles and overcome the 2450 elo, also snatch the title from our eternal champion Eros Riccio. You're warned Eros, hahaha. On the LSS site where I also play, www.chess-server.net I want to be a world champion.
In POKER I find myself playing micro limits bets in several online sites; in June 2018 I hope I have built some bankroll. In July of 2018 I must be evaluating my poker to know if my immediate goal is to become a professional poker player, that would completely change my chess goals and I would have to dedicate myself to OTB poker. At the moment I study and practice poker every day, about 4-5 hours a day. At this moment my poker is full of errors that I am eliminating one by one. MY SYSTEM needs to win and raise money in the micro limits, so that it can succeed in professional poker.
In chess OTB I should become a great master, but that topic should be left as a goal for after 2021. I could achieve the record of being the oldest human in getting the title of Grand Master OTB. Hahaha.
In backgammon I would like to play some important tournaments in USA and Europe and maybe to be OTB world champion, but at the moment I do not have clarity on how to do it. I must mature that idea.
I hope they invent immortality before I die and that I have enough money to buy it, because time is what I need to realize all these and other dreams...
- Finally, playing so many games on several websites (obviously with serious ambitions in each game & place) may look quite inhuman and exhausting, does your body or brain say "stop" sometimes? Do you train by melting sports and brain games just like Kasparov did in the past?
NBV: It's true, it takes willpower and a lot of resistance to sustain the pace that I carry. To take care of my body, I am doing daily exercise for 60 to 90 minutes, including routines of strength, elasticity, speed and endurance. I also practice table tennis to preserve the agility of my body. I'm also divorced and I do not have a girlfriend... Hahaha
- By curiosity, do you consider playing Go in the future, even after... 2021? (which would surely be an enormous charge more, but the game is really interesting)
I have a kind of commitment with the best Colombian GO player, exchange of classes, he makes me a competitive player of GO and I turn him into a competitive player of backgammon. But the truth is that I do not have time... it could be after 2021...
- Do you confirm that you are not (entirely or partly) AlphaZero or any kind of A.I. (yet) ? :-)
NBV: Hahaha, of course I would like to be a real centaur, human with machine power, I do not care what physical form I should adopt. I offer myself publicly as a guinea pig in projects of technological singularity. Hahaha
- Many thanks for your detailed and instructive (impressive as well) answers! My best wishes of luck in all your games and future tournaments.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-15 02:25:51)
A few questions to Nelson Bernal Varela
Note that I did not ask true technical questions about poker... by the way a friend of mine just suggested that it could be interesting to know what limits such a player is used to, his winrate in bb/100 or ptbb if he plays cash games, also if he studied gto applied to chess...
So many possible questions and so few time :)
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-03-15 17:53:50)
A few questions to Nelson Bernal Varela
Offtopic question about poker (on FICGS):
Is it possible to make some faster time control, for example, +1 day after completed hand instead of single move?
Like in chess - Standard and Rapid.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-15 19:22:45)
A few questions to Nelson Bernal Varela
Of course it is possible but I don't think it would be efficient enough (but I understand the idea to reduce the total time) while creating other problems. I hope more players will try bullet games in the future.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-26 01:38:20)
Translations needed, new FICGS homepages
Dear chessfriends, any help to improve translations of the new FICGS responsive homepages (https only) will be very appreciated :)
https://ficgs.com/ajedrez.html (es)
https://ficgs.com/xadrez.html (pt)
https://ficgs.com/schach.html (de)
https://ficgs.com/scacchi.html (it)
https://ficgs.com/catur.html (id)
... also russian, ukrainian, chinese, korean, japanese, hindi, vietnamese.
If you have any suggestions, please write to web [at] ficgs.com
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-27 02:19:00)
Ratings inflation period
Dear chessfriends, in order to make FICGS correspondence chess ratings somewhat more coherent with other ones & with the real chess level (which is quite important in many points of view), we start an "inflation period".
During this time (that will last several months or maybe a few years according to the effects), the rating calculation will differ as explained in the rules: "During an inflation period, 10 points per game are added to the bonus, then any negative bonus is divided by 2. [Edited]"
As a side-effect, fortunately this may encourage even more games and more wins :)
Let's just wait and see the evolution in the next rating lists, then there may be adjustments.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-29 17:23:43)
Daily Chess World Championship
I don't know what this is about, but I'm quite sure you'll have more chances to reach him by sending a private message (if he allows it).
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-03-29 18:35:51)
Daily Chess World Champ.
What time zone does already have the 1st April?
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-30 20:19:27)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Hello Herbert,
I think you may misunderstand what Garvin said there: "The simple explanation is that I had the white rook on h3 instead of h2" ... probably meaning that the analysis was based on the wrong position at one time or another / since one or several moves.
Let's wait the end of the tournament. Of course, losses on time are always bad in such tournaments, but it can happen for many reasons.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-31 02:06:03)
Vallejo Pons leaves European Chess Ch.
Quite incredibly sad story for GM Francisco Vallejo Pons after having played poker for money under an old & strange spanish law...
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/03/chess-francisco-vallejo-pons-poker-tax-dispute-30327.htm
http://www.chess.com/news/view/hunted-by-spanish-tax-authority-vallejo-leaves-european-championship
http://www.change.org/p/spanish-tax-authority-my-aim-is-to-seek-as-many-signatures-as-possible-to-help-out-a-sportsman-in-distress
Thibault de Vassal (2018-03-31 19:39:34)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
Well, in all cases I think that it shouldn't be allowed to designate anyone publicly as a (possible/probable) cheater. This would certainly lead to a terrible climate of suspicion and unfriendship. So, this has been added to the FICGS rules (11.1):
"To maintain a friendly community, any cheating complaint should be addressed to the referee and should not be made publicly in games comments or in the forum, otherwise with the same consequences."
Some comments in this thread will now be moderated this way.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-01 15:38:56)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon
Hi all,
As it may be quite sexist to have King and Queen with different importances on the chess board, what about renaming and changing the icon of the Queen for a Dragon? The PGN notation could also evolve this way, replacing Q by letter D.
This change could be done very soon, what do you think?
William Taylor (2018-04-01 18:42:20)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon
Not sure how sexist it is, or to whom. Yes, the King is the most important piece, but the Queen is by far the most powerful. It seems more sexist to remove women from the game entirely by renaming the Queen.
William Taylor (2018-04-01 19:45:27)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon
Hmm. There is already a game, played on a chessboard, where the pieces are renamed in similar fashion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa
Good game, btw.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-01 21:22:05)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon
Reversing colors... I like that :)
Arimaa of course! quite well known game.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-02 03:25:33)
Poll: renaming the Queen as Dragon
Okay, time to "reveal" that this topic was my tentative of an april's fool joke, of course... Everyone understood it at the first line, I guess :o)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-06 16:16:46)
New style? Please revert
If you mean "background color/image", either it is selected randomly each time you login, or you can choose it in Preferences.
Kym Farnik (2018-04-06 16:36:42)
New style? Please revert
No. The old 'My Games' used to show both my time remaining and my opponents.
Now it looks like the App version.
My Tournaments has gone missing as well.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-07 03:09:02)
Harold Moye, man of arts... and chess
I'm very sad to announce here that we just lost a chess friend, Harold Moye, who played chess with us while he was involved in a much more difficult battle. My condolences to his family.
Here is the first part of the obituary:
"Harold Anthony Moye, age 62, died on March 4, 2018, wife Linda (Polhemus) Moye at his side. They were devoted to each other for 17 years since vowing their love on a mountain in Wyoming. For 13 of those years, Harold endured bone marrow cancer (Multiple Myeloma) with grace, unusual resilience, and quiet courage.
He loved poetry, languages, art, music, history, philosophy, astronomy, cinema, flying airplanes (actually and with flight simulator) and coffee. Some of his favorites were Shelley, Blake, Rilke, Shakespeare, Norse sagas, VanGogh, Mahler, Bach, Beethoven, and Sumatran and Guatemalan beans. Harold said that Blake taught him the most about art; Shelley was his brother; VanGogh his first cousin; and coffee a major food group (along with pizza and cookies). Above all, he valued imagination, compassion, and generosity of spirit in others. He played Shogi and Chess with friends all over the world online and in person, reaching the distinction of Chess Master when he coordinated tournaments in Wyoming. (...)"
http://www.ficgs.com/moye_harold.htm
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-07 20:01:26)
unable to play my move!
Hello Aniruddha, well that's the first time I see that strange bug. I don't understand yet how it happened but you probably entered it (meaning Ng4 I guess) in the text field rather than clicking the pieces.
I'll investigate to avoid this in the future. Meanwhile & unfortunately, according to the rules, this game must be declared as a win for your opponent. Very sorry about that.
Aniruddha Duttagupta (2018-04-07 20:53:38)
unable to play my move!
Dear Mr Thibault,
First time this thing happened to me.I will be careful but kindly see non occurance of this type of software bug further.I lost some rating points unnecesarily in a game which was equal.Definitely it hurts!
Paul Campanella (2018-04-09 02:31:01)
Real Poker Game
This might seem like a farfetched/crazy thought, but what if were to actually have a real Texas Holdem Game sometime this summer with the top 10 players on the list physically meeting in person at an agreed upon location?
In order to promote the site, the winners could also donate a portion of the winnings to an agreed upon charity/word organization that helps people?
Does anyone have any thoughts about this?
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-09 03:44:13)
unable to play my move!
Hello again Aniruddha,
While talking with another player about this strange case, an important question raised: what was the 7th move you intended to play? 7. ... Ng4 as I suggested, 7. ...O-O as the game showed, or another one?
And just to be sure, how did you make the move? What did you type if you used the text field? (or did you click the pieces?)
Many thanks for your answers.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-09 03:55:44)
Real Poker Game
Hmm hmm, that's an interesting idea to dig! But there are many instant questions, starting with legality :) FICGS cannot organize any poker tournament with money prize, real or not. But there may be other ways.
And such a meeting wouldn't be easy for sure as we're quite far from each other (not speaking about me, out of the top 10 :))
About promotion, I just don't know if FICGS is kind of a "real" poker site but one thing is sure, it was time to come back to fundamentals (chess). Now that things are going better, I'll focus this way for the moment to attract more and more players, then the next goal will be to increase prizes (a lot).
John Hadden (2018-04-12 09:54:00)
Design
Hi... don't want to be annoying to the developers - in general the new style is more inviting than the old - but it is still pretty busy. I had to search for quite a while to even find what was going on. Still not quite sure if it is possible to have a game outside of a tournament - or how the tournaments work. Fair play for making tournaments with prizes... but Im not likely to pay to join if I don't know what's going on...
PS... I had to press post twice there...
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-12 22:24:54)
Design
Hello John,
You are right, many things are not easy for new players, particularly not used to the "correspondence chess style".
Tournaments are the main thing here by far for the moment... maybe this will evolve with some time but it is still difficult to find opponents for advanced chess games for a few years (but from time to time).
Just to know, did you read the Help section? I'll try to add some things there... to start.
Many thanks for the feedback!
William Taylor (2018-04-15 14:07:42)
Big chess castling
Thibault,
Have you ever considered allowing players to castle twice in big chess, giving a mechanism to allow similar castled positions to normal chess? For example, from the starting position the king could castle once to kingside, ending up on l1 with the rook on m1, and then again, ending up on p1, with the rook on o1. He could also go the other way, finishing on c1 after castling twice.
Scott Ligon (2025-04-22 16:09:34)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
I have found a line for white that defeats the 15 million node strategy, so it's time for another strategy upgrade. Due to games in progress I won't specify the line now except to say that once again, it's in the Sicilian defense. Of course there may be other lines as well but one is enough.
Rather than up the node count, I will be moving on to Stockfish 17.1. Conveniently for my purposes, Stockfish 17.1 prefers to meet 1 e4 with e5 at all settings I have checked (1 million to 15 million nodes in 1 million node increments). So for now, my plan is to play Stockfish 17.1 at 10 million nodes in all upcoming games, while sticking with the strategy I started with in currently running games. Of course if I find a winning line for white against 17.1 @ 10 million I will update this.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-04-18 02:01:58)
Design
I understand but it all depends on the number of players connected and ready to play at a given time. Right now, it is not possible to make bullet games popular, we would need probably 10 times more players.
Anyway this Go category just re-opened (it was the Kyu category a few week ago) so this is not really the 14th Go tournament for this rating range. So it shouldn't take too long (a few days though) to start.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-05-01 22:25:17)
Ratings inflation period
May 2018 ratings : the first effects are quite visible. A few players, who finished many games, actually more games than I expected, made a very good operation (not a problem as points always spread with time). I updated the formula to make it more coherent next time : 10 points per game, now power 0.8, will be added to the bonus.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-05-02 00:03:56)
1st King Supertournament
I think we all realize that this is not a "usual" FICGS tournament (also that this is just for fun)... and that most correspondence/advanced chess players will not enter it. But I think that FICGS needs such events from time to time, that can attract more "regular" chess players (at least by its announcements). At the end, it seems it makes the job :)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-05-13 23:58:43)
New domain names for FICGS apps
I have no idea but that is not the aim... by the way, if they did not buy it, most probably they don't care about it.
Peter W. Anderson (2018-05-15 11:29:42)
Leela Chess Zero
Hello everyone :)
I guess most people here will be aware of the Leela Chess Zero project.
I was interested in whether anyone here is already using Leela? I have run a few of my old FICGS games through it quickly and it gives very different evaluations to the standard engines in some positions - I am not sure if they are better or worse at a quick glance but they are different!
For those who aren't familiar with Leela it is an attempt to recreate something like Alpha Chess Zero for the PC. It is not yet as strong as Stockfish etc but is as strong as most grandmasters and some weaker engines and is gradually increasing in strength as it is trained. It comes in two versions: one to run on the CPU and one to run on a graphics card. A high end graphics card gives the best results, but it runs OK on CPUs.
Leela is nowhere near as tactically strong as the best engines (whether it ever will be on "normal" hardware is an open question). However, to my eyes, it generally exhibits pretty good positional judgement, and so I am figuring it could provide a useful alternative view for correspondence games.
You can contribute to this really interesting project by helping to train it by donating computer time. Helping with the training is pretty straightforward. A guide of how to help is at
https://github.com/glinscott/leela-chess/wiki/Getting-Started
A forum and progress chart is at
http://lczero.org/
I found getting it to run under GUI's as an analysis tool a little more fiddly as it not yet fully UCI compliant. However, I have got it to run OK under Chessbase, Shredder, and Arena OK for analysis. For running matches Arena or something like Cutechess may be best.
I would interested to know your thoughts on this.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-05-29 02:37:09)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques
Hi all! As you may know, Chessbase chess engine Komodo 12 is now promoted as having a Monte Carlo version, looking like AlphaZero algorithms... It would play a more human-like style. But does it really make a difference on a "normal" computer? It would be about 30 elo points stronger than Komodo 11 (quite a good improvement anyway)
Any tests or thoughts?
Peter W. Anderson (2018-06-01 18:36:45)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques
Well I am a bit sceptical Thib.
Yes it is using Monte Carlo, but it is not using a neural network which is what made AlphaZero interesting (and hopefully will eventually make Leela really special).
The Monte Carlo version of Komodo is a lot weaker than Komodo 11 at the moment and time will tell if the Monte Carlo version will ever be as strong as alpha-beta searching, but my guess is that for normal engines it will not be as strong.
As an aside, the claim of a 30 Elo improvement from version 11 to 12 of normal Komodeo may be a bit extravagent judging by the ccrl rating lists.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-06-01 23:04:32)
Komodo 12 with AlphaZero techniques
To say it all, I am a bit skeptical too and I agree with your opinion on Monte Carlo vs. Alpha-Beta in chess (but in certain positions types, maybe). CEGT rating lists seem to confirm that 30 elo points may be too optimistic as well.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-06-09 19:39:18)
FICGS chess cup : proposal
This 1st chess cup just ended, time to comment :)
First of all, congratulations to Herbert Kruse for this nice win! The opposition was strong and the final result not so easy to guess until a few weeks ago, obviously...
Second of all, to end the cheating suspicion topic, I can only say this: correspondence chess is not soccer, round-robin tournaments are not knockouts, when participating in such a championship on the internet, we have to accept the risk that a few players may (for any rare and obscure reason here IMO) intentionally lose to another one. BUT there is definitely no way to be sure about that, no way to adjudicate games 100% fairly on such suspicions, whatever happening in any game. Of course, it would always be very easy to cheat discreetly enough. And once again, I designed the FICGS WCH to avoid as much as possible what happened during this tournament, it is players choice to accept this and to choose the tournaments they will play in the future.
Now let's see what the second edition will propose :)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-06-30 20:22:16)
Interview with 15th chess WCH finalist
For once, as Eros & I couldn't find much more to say after all his consecutive wins, I asked Ramil Germanes these few questions around his match & correspondence chess (with what may look like a quite surprising conclusion).
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- Hello Ramil, many thanks for answering those few questions! This is a first time with the WCH finalist, as the winner (Eros again) agreeded this could be an interesting experiment for a change, so we'll probably have a quite different point of view this time! You just finished your games to score 6-6 (12 draws), Eros retaining the title again. I guess this was the first time you played such a correspondence chess match, what are your impressions on this knockout format?
Yes this is the first time I've played a world championship match although I played before in earlier editions of this world championship but not reaching the challenger level. My impression? Its great playing for the world championship but I know its nearly impossible to beat the world champion.
- Let's rewind a few months backward, would you make other choices, in openings or anything?
I don't know. Tbh, I'm not very good on chess theory and not very updated as well. So I'm just playing basic moves hoping for opportunities to come up.
- So, is Eros beatable in this final match according to you? (please give us some hope) ^^
With how quickly you can search information and the strength of chess engines nowadays, its almost impossible to beat him unless you have access to alpha zero (haha). Though maybe Herbert Kruse can pull it off.
- What can you tell us about yourself and your relation to chess & correspondence chess?
I'm just an ordinary guy from the Philipines who happens to love playing chess. But my love of computers is what brought me to correspondence chess and to ficgs.
- Do you play other games, e.g. Go, Shogi, cards games?
No I don't know how to play those games.
- Could you tell us how these 12 games went from your own point of view?
For me, the games went through their normal course. Both of us didn't made any major mistakes so all games were drawn. That's just how it went. Though there were new moves on some the games it doesn't really changes result of the older games played before.
- Would you share a few tips to play good correspondence chess in 2018, or at least to beat the best chess engines? :)
Sorry but i dont know. I will be the new world champion by now if i know, hehehe.
- You told me that your computer configuration was basically a quad-core i5 3570 / 4gb on Fritz GUI (about 10,500 kn/s) / Windows 10, and we know that many of us (Eros included) still use such configs or even dual-core, would an octa-core have brought a significant advantage to you to win this match according to you?
Oh I don't know they still have those configurations. But I've already encountered opponents in Infinity Chess with 18-22 cores configs. Anyways, an octa-core or faster cpu would definitely be going to speed up my analysis and will let me analyze more lines and variations which may improves my overall play.
Honestly, I don't have that much time these days for correspondence chess. In my match against Eros, I had only about 1 hour of analysis time before work and about another 1 hour after work. Since I already have a family and 2 kids, they have to be my priority first. And I think somebody also can relate to this. So a faster cpu would be very helpful in the match and maybe will give a better chance than a slower cpu.
- As far as I know, you love to build computers, did you use or think about using several ones at the same time for analysis?
No. I only used one computer in my match against Eros. I have 2 other computers but both are slower.
- How much time you've been playing correspondence chess & how do you feel the way the game changed over the years?
I've been playing correspondence chess since 2010 and I have observed that its easier to win games in the past when chess engines were still weaker. Because you notice some players depend only on engine moves and engines still commit mistakes and you can exploit those mistakes if you "investigate" further.
Unlike now, engines are very strong that even players who rely solely on engines moves will be very hard to beat. It lessens the gap of players that know how to "use" the engines and the ones who do not.
- Finally, what makes you love correspondence chess in 2018?
I will always love chess and correspondence chess but what makes it exciting now is the rise of the new kind of engines.
Engines like Leela chess zero that has a different approach in playing chess. Maybe more of these kind of chess engines will be seen in the future. Because of its use of monte carlo analysis and neural networks, we are starting to see moves that we have never seen before. Very aggressive attacks and moves defying opening principles can now be seen. Correspondence chess is getting exciting again!
Thibault de Vassal (2018-07-27 01:50:24)
On (almost) global forfeits in WCH
Hi all,
I'd like to gather opinions on several cases that may happen or have happened in WCH tournaments.
1) Let's say that one player lost on time 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 games out of 7 (for any reason) in a WCH tournament, after having won one or several games.
2) Let's say that one player resigned 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 games out of 7 (for any reason) in a WCH tournament, after having won one or several games.
3) Let's say that one player lost on time or resigned 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 games out of 7 (for any reason)in a WCH tournament, after having won one or several games.
Obviously, there may be possible unfair situations for one or several players, but it is not so easy to find a fair global solution for all cases. Should those wins (by the player who lost on time and/or resigned several games) not be taken in account? Any suggestions for a simple/clear rule?
I must say that I'm not so favourable to add such a rule at a first sight, but let's see how this discussion may lead.
Many thanks in advance.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-07-28 22:11:58)
On (almost) global forfeits in WCH
In all mentioned cases? Or even since one game lost on time?
Gabriele D Agostino (2018-07-29 15:11:21)
On (almost) global forfeits in WCH
In my opinion if a player lost on time more than 50% of their games in a round robin tournament, all game against him are considered as a win for the opponent.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-07-29 18:27:22)
On (almost) global forfeits in WCH
Thanks Gabriele for sharing your point of view (we always need more :-))... that's a part of the problem IMO, even a balanced percentage may/will not satisfy everyone as soon as any percentage below can suddenly decide the winner of the tournament. And of course, there are many reasons to lose only one game on time (or to have to resign it for personal matters).
Gabriele D Agostino (2018-07-29 20:48:31)
On (almost) global forfeits in WCH
Thank you Thibault for trying to improve the rules. There are good reasons in either case, consider all the results or give 1 point to everyone. Any decision will not satisfy anyone.
Such a rule is in the FIDE tournament regulations. (8.2)
https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/Competition_Rules.pdf
Obviously we can choose a different rule.
Christoph Schroeder (2018-08-14 18:17:02)
7 pieces tablebases
Some years ago, ICCF has introduced a very useful rule: as soos as a 7 men position is reached, players have the right to claim a win resp. a draw according to what the tablebase says.
Can this be implemented here, too?
Christoph Schroeder (2018-08-14 18:24:07)
poker reflection time
In chess, an increment of 1 day per move is sensible and leads to manageable game lengths.
But in poker?
A poker game (consisting of up to 5 rounds) can have thousands of moves (that is another dimension compared to ~50 in chess). Therefore, I consider the current increment (1 day per move) as much too high.
My proposal: the increment should be one day per hand.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-08-14 20:04:00)
poker reflection time
Another recurrent topic, which is quite logical as some games are very very long... One hand consist in a variable number of "moves", that may cause strange things with clocks, but I agree that the time control should be different, I just did not find a fine one yet. Actually, playing poker by correspondence is a very unusual thing.
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-08-16 18:18:53)
poker reflection time
"Quite long" can take close to 5 years. :D
Christoph Schroeder (2018-08-20 16:46:39)
poker reflection time
At the moment, there is a choice only between correspondence poker (5 years game length) and blitz (5 min + 15 sec) - and nothing in between.
The first is much too slow, and the second much too fast (noone wants to play it apparently, I spent many days in the waiting list without playing a single game).
I would appreciate if an intermediate speed, for example 15 min + 30 sec, could be introduced.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-08-21 00:15:26)
poker reflection time
First of all, games that last 5 years are quite rare, fortunately :) And believe me, any intermediate time control playable in less than one day would be a nightmare for the players, it is way too long, it could last 12 hours or more! (the dead man defence could find its place)
Also, the reason why the most do not play bullet/blitz games here is mainly that this is a correspondence chess website first, and most players always have a few moves to play... On the contrary, the FICGS chess trainer app is quite successful on Facebook because most users of this app do not play at FICGS.
Christoph Schroeder (2018-08-21 11:20:05)
poker reflection time
A possible way to reduce the game length would be going down to "best of three" from the current "best of five".
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-08-21 11:26:20)
poker reflection time
Or just use "increment : 1 day / hand)" instead of "1 day / move".
Thibault de Vassal (2018-08-21 22:22:42)
poker reflection time
Unfortunately, the choice of "best of three" would have consequences on ratings (less accurate, more variable), as you can guess.
The 1 day / hand option could be confusing and may be dangerous at it would bring strange effects as one could lose a game on time when having 2 or 3 days on clock because of a few moves played at night. This would not affect fast players, but many players are quite slow for various reasons.
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-08-22 14:25:48)
poker reflection time
X days / hand, where X > 1?
Thibault de Vassal (2018-09-07 16:57:06)
Netiquette reinforcement
Hi all,
Following a few problems of provocation and repeated draw offers, I propose to reinforce and specify the netiquette to help players finding the right things to do according to the situation...
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general
Particularly this paragraph:
"It is possible to leave public comments for your games and to send private messages to other members. No player may post in forums or send to another member any voluntary message that contains abusive, insulting, provocating, advertising, vulgar, foul, racist, sexist or other discriminatory or politically sensitive content. Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly serveral times in a row. Doing so may lead to instantly lose the game, and/or being immediately and permanently banned.
If a player receives such a message, he may use the "report" link and accepts to use the "block" link that appears then (when playing a move) rather than replying to it. Responding to a provocative message is strictly forbidden and may lead to get a limited access to the server during a few weeks, at the moderator's discretion. In this case, please just warn the moderator or webmaster in private.
To maintain a friendly community, any cheating complaint should be addressed to the referee and should not be made publicly in games comments or in the forum, otherwise with the same consequences. Please note that no time will be added to any clock in any case, the game will continue in all cases, in example arguing to wait for the referee's decision will not be accepted. Finally, you agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic, comment or message at any time should they see fit.
Publication of a private message without the authors expressed permission is strictly forbidden."
A big difference (I hope) is in the small add "Doing so may lead to instantly lose the game (...)". Better or worst? Any opinions or ideas?
Rotom Monotua (2018-09-07 20:20:02)
Netiquette reinforcement
Manners are important - therefore I would suggest "will lead to instantly lose the game" instead of may...
Garvin Gray (2018-09-08 02:29:41)
Netiquette reinforcement
I have a couple of revisions to the rules that I would like to see. Some of these do come from otb practices, but they also apply here.
In otb, when a player wants to make a claim to the arbiter, or wants to make a complaint to the arbiter about their opponent (for any reason), they stop the clock and call for the arbiter (or find the arbiter themselves in a large hall).
Then the arbiter will rule on the claim, make any decisions about the game, adjust the times on the clocks if necessary, and then start the clocks again.
So for FICGS, I think there should be a change here. When a player presses call referee, the clocks should be stopped/frozen. Currently, the clocks keep running.
This is wrong. The player has called for the arbiter, but the clocks keep running.
If the arbiter (Thibault in this case) rules that the player had no grounds to call the referee, then he can apply a time penalty and take time off the clocks of the person who stopped the clocks.
Garvin Gray (2018-09-08 02:32:52)
Netiquette reinforcement
As to whether the wording should be may or will- the correct wording is MAY. The reason I say may is that by saying will lose the game is that this restricts the arbiter to only enforcing a penalty of lose of game.
Sometimes not all situations will require a loss of game penalty, and then other times, an even greater penalty than loss of game will be required.
Hence why MAY is the correct wording.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-09-08 04:05:12)
Netiquette reinforcement
Many thanks for sharing your views Garvin.
Well, this is very relevant OTB, I agree. I'm not sure of what happens if a player abuses of complaints (e.g. to gain some time), which is probably unlikely in all cases, but anyway I imagine that a correspondence chess game could continue before to decide any problem related to provocative messages or repeated draw offers at least. And, of course, it makes it much more simple (at a first sight).
Maybe let's give it a try unless you think about clear examples where it couldn't work already, then I'll make such a change if it doesn't prove to be efficient.
Garvin Gray (2018-09-08 04:28:48)
Netiquette reinforcement
If a player clicks on call referee to make a complaint and that stops the clock and you determine that the claim is pointless, or worse, that you believe the player has 'stopped the clocks' to try and gain an advantage, then you are free to determine what penalty is applied from the range of penalties that are available to you:
1) Warning,
2) Increasing the remaining time of the opponent,
3) Reducing the remaining time of the offending player,
4) Increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available for that game,
5) Reducing the points scored in the game by the offending person,
6) Declaring the game to be lost by the offending player (the arbiter shall also decide the opponent’s score),
7) Exclusion from one or more rounds,
8) Expulsion from the competition.
Garvin Gray (2018-09-09 02:43:30)
Netiquette reinforcement
4, 5 and 6 need to be read together.
4 and 5 are where the arbiter declared the game lost for the player who breached the rules. The arbiter then needs to decide what score to award the opponent.
So 4 is to increase the points scored in the game to the maximum available for that game. This usually is 1 point.
5 is reducing the offenders score to zero.
What these two provisions also cover is where an offence is found out later in the tournament. So for here on ficgs, the arbiter found out that late in a tournament that one player had been abusing opponents regularly.
4 and 5 allows you to adjusts the scores of those completed games.
6 declares lost the game by the offending player. But the reason for the provision of 'deciding the opponents score' is that a position on the board might arise where the non-offender might not be able to construct a checkmate position with the material they have (lets say just a bare king). Then the score would be (0 - 0.5). The offender scores zero and the non offender, who can not win the game because they can not checkmate their opponent, receives 0.5
7 and 8 should be 'self explanatory'.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-09-24 00:15:43)
Some questions to H. Kruse, WCH finalist
After that the last FICGS chess WCH final match finished, the choice was made again to ask a few questions to Eros Riccio's challenger: Herbert Kruse, for the 2nd time. He kindly accepted to answer it so let's learn a bit more on our top-ranked correspondence chess player.
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Hello Herbert, you're not really a player to introduce as you're very active here and at several chess websites for years, with outstanding ratings in each one (as far as I know), you're the 1st FICGS CUP winner & several times FICGS WCH challenger, each time facing "the wall" Eros Riccio, what could you tell us about yourself particularly as a chess & correspondence chess player?
- i began late with 16 to play my first tournament game, but with 18 i already was kicked out of a night club in company with tony miles ;) (dresscode) had vlastimil hort as trainer for a short time and played in teams with gutman, michalchisin, klovans, gipslis and some other GMs. corr chess i began, because i love to find the truth and because of freestyle, where i began to build very strong computers
What kind of computers do you build? Is it all dedicated to chess?
- i have several dual xeon e5 computers with 64gb ddr3 and 16 to 20 real cores and they all play chess ;)
Once again, GM Eros Riccio managed to draw the 12 games of the match. What are your feelings on these games? How did you estimate your chances to destabilize your opponent in the openings and to create complications enough with White (or Black)?
- this time my feelings were neutral. 1% chances to win, but i hoped he would lose his concentration if i began more games with him (we played 6 other games at the same time)
Doesn't "1% chances to win (the match)" mean about 0.17% to win only one game with White, even when losing one with Black? Isn't it a bit pessimistic after all, or is it the new so called Riccio-effect? :)
- if the strongest players face each other there is no win possible, except some has a mouse slep or forgot something during human interfacing
When did you start playing correspondence chess and what changed since that time? What attracted you most in the game?
- 2004 and evaluation of the position is the key point of improvement since then. attractive was to be better than actual world class players :)
Could you tell us anything on the way you work chess and play your correspondence games? Any tip or secret? (nothing to lose to ask :))
- with black i play for fastest way to 0.00 and with white i try every promising way to make a game for a longer time complicated
Do you use several ones at the same time when analyzing a game? (still grabbing some tips)
- i only use the newest stockfish versions of brainfish and corchess because the other engines are not so good. because i have many games i decide which one gets the most cores and time and let them run in infinity mode until i am happy that can be after 1 week or more sometimes.
You're not far to rank 2nd as a poker player at FICGS, you obviously started to take on Big Chess as well. What other games do you play? Did you consider to play Go already?
- i played go against the german champion and lost so i quit :)) played backgammon money game and internet (in fibs with kit woolsey i played over 100 matches) in bridge i was best bidder in germany 1994 to 1995, but dont play much nowadays
Do you have specific goals to achieve as a player?
- 2 goals, since a long time: be ficgs world champion and win one german bridge championship
How do you imagine correspondence chess evolution within a decade? What kind of engines/computers do you expect to use and what will look like centaur chess according to you? (in other words, what part will remain to the human player in the decision?)
- i think the engines today are already unbeatable, so in 20 years the would still not lose and chess is dead since about 4 years
What did you think about Google Deepmind's Alpha Zero performance vs. Stockfish?
- it was a joke because they let a bad version of stockfish play. i would not have lost one game against az0 and maybe won 2 til 5 out of 100
Conditions of this AlphaZero vs. Stockfish match were very specific (opening books, unbalanced hardware...) What weaknesses did you detect in AlphaZero play?
- it was the lack of precision, what would let it lose against stockfish in its tuned newest version but i look from a view of a player who is used to play with deep 60 :)
It seems that computers did not completely take on Bridge yet, what do you expect within a decade?
- i have not seen bridge programms, but the game is so easy that it must be already mastered by computers
Graham Kerr (2018-09-25 03:58:57)
Some questions to H. Kruse, WCH finalist
Thank you to Herbert for taking the time to answer these questions...
I have played correspondence since the 90s, by snail mail at first then online. I had always resisted engine-assisted correspondence but a post by Herbert in another forum was what prompted me to give it a try ;-)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-10-20 03:06:28)
No engine tournaments, no, no
I understand but in my opinion we have to accept this... This kind of tournament is a question of fun (to make mistakes as well) and honor (not to win but to play it by the rules!), no need to shame anyone publicly or to bring a climate of suspicion as everyone can make an opinion by watching/analyzing the games. But yes, it is possible/probable that a few players use engines even there... why, this is quite a mystery but it is always possible to cheat in this kind of tournaments.
As there's no prize or rating points to win, best is to ignore it IMO.
Christoph Schroeder (2018-10-22 18:18:29)
Resigning in poker
Resigning in poker is absolutely uncommon. I cannot imagine any situation in which resigning a match or a round would be a reasonable option. Even if a player is trailing 0-2, he still has chances to win the match. So why would anybody consider to resign?
Moreover, the "resign" button is irritating, because it is unclear if resigning means resigning the current round or the current match.
Therefore, I propose to remove the "resign"-button completely.
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-10-22 19:25:35)
Resigning in poker
Resign button gives easy way to get out of game, if one doesn't want to continue.
Without it the same thing is possible by betting all except one chips and then folding (and then hoping for 'unlucky' hand to get rid of last chip). And then repeating this process once or twice more, depending on the game score. :D
The option to resign is, imho, still better than this.
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-10-22 19:32:28)
Resigning in poker
Of course, the opposing player can change this into antipoker game and do everything to lose himself instead... :D
I don't have understanding how that would work (strategies etc.), but I expect totally un-poker-like mess.
Ilmars Cirulis (2018-10-23 20:51:24)
Resigning in poker
Maybe take away the "resign" button but leave option to resign by text command? If one really wants to resign or leave the game, there should be some way. (Ofc, there's always option to just ignore the game and timeout.)
William Taylor (2018-10-27 12:03:10)
World Championship Tie-breaks
For many years, the reigning classical world chess champion had draw odds. The chess world eventually realised this was both unfair to the challenger and uninteresting for the spectators, and introduced a rapid and blitz playoff match for use in the event that the players remained tied after the classical portion of the match. There have always been, and will continue to be grumbles about this system (mostly that the classical WC should be decided by classical games), but overall it is popular (as I imagine can be seen from online viewing figures from the Carlsen-Karjakin match, for example) and, to my mind at least, fairer than the alternative. I propose something similar for the FICGS WC match: an advanced chess tie-break match. Granted, there is the same objection as for the classical WC match - advanced chess is not the same as correspondence chess. However, the combatants will already have had ample opportunity (12 games) to decide matters in that format. An advanced chess tie-break would provide much more sporting interest, as the current system is becoming a bit predictable (this is not in any way a dig at the incumbent, Eros Riccio, who is just doing what he has to do, and doing it very well). I think the match would also be great for promoting FICGS - you could stream it live on Twitch, for example, perhaps with commentary. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Zack Stephen (2018-10-30 13:14:19)
World Championship Tie-breaks
agree with William, eros can draw these matches with his eyes closed at this point, he can easily be champion for the foreseeable future unless a format change is made.
Some other ideas for consideration: Force specific opening thematics in the final (ie each has to play black/white of a kings gambit, or other speculative openings
Don't provide the +1 day for each move. Make the games a set amount of time say 45 days for 60 moves
Make each side play BIG, random, or other variants as tie breaker until a winner is determined
Thibault de Vassal (2018-10-31 03:04:21)
World Championship Tie-breaks
Well, the 1 day per move rule has several reasons to remain (including avoiding more forfeits/losses on time), and coherence is really important IMO. I do not agree that Eros cannot be beaten (I couldn't do it by myself though ^^), I trust Murphy's law :) I see several reasons to all these consecutive victories, Eros explained many by himself, and I don't think it's enough to change the format, by the way we now have the CUP format for all players who prefer other parameters (thanks Garvin!).
As for Twitch & other good ideas like this, truth is that there should have been many Freestyle tournaments these last years but I couldn't organize it anymore and still can't at the moment :/ But most important is that despite of computers supremacy in correspondence chess, now Go & poker holdem, I'm convinced that the best years of FICGS are to come, and it will bring more competition, new champions & good things. Let's wait & see!
Paul Larwinski (2018-11-17 00:09:46)
World Championship Tie-breaks
there are different ways
possible to play 6 different own openings whith white and with black
longer time control would be better for thinking
Herbert Kruse (2018-11-17 00:44:18)
World Championship Tie-breaks
and longer time controls are even more boring, are you really have any sense of todays dead chess
Paul Larwinski (2018-11-08 22:25:26)
Carlsen Caruana wch match
tomorrow starts wch match between Carlsen and Caruana ?
this is the best and most interesting now
who will win this time ? we will know it after 12 games
Joshua Hansen (2018-11-12 15:25:14)
poker reflection time
I play poker and video slots a lot here (https://mr.bet/), but recently decided to start playing chess. Is it harder to adjust?
Garvin Gray (2018-11-18 03:12:48)
World Championship Groups
I see in the chat box there is a comment about adding players for a new group in the WCH.
This should not be allowed and is a bad idea. The original groups were worked out based on ratings available at the close of entry.
And also now this new group will be a rating scattered group, rather than being similar to the others.
Players have protested before about adding players and new groups well after the entry deadline has passed. I have frankly had a gutful of having to protest about it.
It is one of main things that is turning me off this site. Having to keep protesting against items on this site when others have said similar viewpoints to mine, but the site owner keeps trying to sneak in his ideas via the backdoor.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-11-18 23:42:18)
World Championship Groups
Hi Garvin! Yes, I remember it was an important point in our discussion about the CUP cycle (where the rule is 100% strict on this point)... Of course, I always built additional WCH groups if the distribution was very similar. Quite the same about replacements, groups were changed if the elo average was about the same. Just an opportunity for late players to get in and to complete groups if there were 2 or 3 forfeits... It cannot be completely bad, don't you think?
Garvin Gray (2018-11-19 02:36:26)
World Championship Groups
Ok, please clarify- your comment in the chat box is: A few more players for an additional chess WCH group?
The key word to me is 'additional' chess Wch group.
In your latest reply, you say accepting a few later runners to add as replacements into existing groups to substitute for those who have not started their games or forfeited out.
I have no real objection to the later, but I have a strong objection to creating a completely new group from those who did not enter on time and that new group could potentially not be as strong and evenly distributed for ratings from the original WCH groups.
Paul Larwinski (2018-11-19 16:36:24)
Some questions to H. Kruse, WCH finalist
sad that there is no comment from GM Eros
for example why no won games here ? next time for sure
Paul Larwinski (2018-11-19 19:55:28)
World Championship Tie-breaks
herbert you are losing too, dont you see it ??
this one game was only one warm up against you , and you forgot to say here that we have played 2 draws already.
you talk always like a criminal
Herbert Kruse (2018-11-19 20:06:17)
World Championship Tie-breaks
if i talk like a criminal, you talk like a mentally ill person
Thibault de Vassal (2018-11-19 21:48:45)
World Championship Tie-breaks
This discussion is clearly provocation... That's not the first time (this week). Please read the netiquette, rules may apply.
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#general
My role is not to delete such posts each time it appears, particularly several times in a week, so if one of the authors really wants me to do it, rules will apply instantly and he'll go to the silent mode.
Thibault de Vassal (2018-11-19 21:55:32)
World Championship Groups
By "additional chess WCH group", I do mean one more group in the chess WCH stage 1, with a very similar elo distribution (otherwise it is not done). Of course it has to be fair, that's the basics.
Paul Larwinski (2018-11-19 21:59:29)
World Championship Tie-breaks
Thibault
i had the feeling that he was talking very unfriendly to me and like a criminal man.
i was talking about chess and he answers like a crime man, very unfriendly he
he has started it
William Taylor (2018-12-06 22:50:39)
AlphaZero 2.0
The result seems very conclusive again. For those who were concerned about the time control last time, that has been addressed. A couple of news articles:
https://www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/alphazero-really-is-that-good
Christoph Schroeder (2018-12-25 17:00:44)
poker: not enough chips to pay BB
When a player has not enough chips left to pay his blinds for the next hand, the round should be lost for him.
But this is not the case. Example (just happened in one of my games):
My opponent has only 1 chip left. In the next hand, he ist the Big Blind which requires him to pay 2 chips. But instead of counting the round as lost for him, he gets a "discount" on his BB and has to pay only 1 chip, and the game goes on - but in a very strange way since my opponent has zero chips left, and there is no raising possible for neither side.
I cannot imagine that this behaviour of the poker software is intentional. Or is it?
Thibault de Vassal (2018-12-26 01:58:04)
This site is now...
Like last year at the same time, I know that... the Alexa rank moved a lot this year and it will do it again within months. No worries, it is under control & it will be better soon. Just wait and see :)
Thibault de Vassal (2018-12-26 02:05:53)
poker: not enough chips to pay BB
In many ways, FICGS built its own rules (sometimes intentionally but not always), in this case I cannot remember well but I may have thought that it is a bit unfair to lose the last chips without any fight, after all the situation is hard enough there :) But you're right & maybe I could have moved the chips in the next round, most probably I did not think about that.
Yeturu Aahlad (2018-12-26 21:22:21)
poker: not enough chips to pay BB
IMO, the only room for controversy is the choice of the word "entitled". Interpreted literally, it means that Thibault's suggestion can be an option made available to the player, but can't be enforced. If that option were available, I would take it except when I have already lost two rounds. Of course, I always have the option of resigning - which I have never done at Poker.
Garvin Gray (2019-01-24 08:14:14)
James Romig
Fred Delaforet expressed concern regarding James Romig's health or otherwise after James lost on time in seven of their games.
Doing a google search, I was able to find a James Romig from USA (same location as listed here on ficgs) and that person is 48 years old and is a high class musician.
No death or funeral notices mentioned that I could see.
Rolf Staggat (2019-01-24 12:50:17)
James Romig
If this is "our" James Romig, then he might be too busy to play chess. He is "on tour", starting January 24th in Cincinatti.
He is on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/james.romig
Homepage:
http://www.jamesromig.com/
Ask him and find out!
Garvin Gray (2019-01-24 13:56:38)
James Romig
Asking him to find is the site administrator responsibility. I know that sounds like a buck pass, but as following up on game time outs and other question marks is truly the responsibility of the arbiter of the events, in this case, the person in charge of the site, Thibault De Vassal. Not us.
And also, if we have the correct James Romig, he had 45 calendar days available for holidays to use to avoid timing out his games, so that excuse that he went on tour is not a good enough excuse.
He entered the event and is responsible for managing his time. If he knew he was going on concert, he should not have accepted his place if he could not fulfil his commitments.
Thibault de Vassal (2019-01-24 18:58:12)
James Romig
Hi all,
Well, it seems to me that a website administrator shouldn't intervene in players private life / ask for or discuss players private life if it does not come from players or players families (as it happens regularly, most often for bad news).
Of course general forfeits happen quite/too often, sometimes there are expressed concerns from other players, sometimes unexpressed concerns or nothing at all, whatever... so IMO the website administrator/referee shouldn't have to act according to such criteria.
Finally, it seems to me that we have to wait for news (but of course friends can contact each other).
As Garvin said, sometimes players make some choices (e.g. if not taking vacation days for any reason is considered as a choice) and there may be unfortunate consequences for themselves & for their opponents. That's what can happen on chess websites... more than in real tournaments, of course.
Thibault de Vassal (2019-02-09 21:58:14)
Advice for correspondence chess players
An advice for correspondence chess players from ICCF world champion... what do you think?
https://chessimprover.com/correspondence-chess-advice-from-iccf-world-champion/
Herbert Kruse (2019-02-10 12:05:48)
Advice for correspondence chess players
i agree with the "next best" function as very important, but databases are not nessecary today
Kym Farnik (2019-02-16 03:14:03)
Remo Pareschi ?
Remo Pareschi is another member gone quiet.
I have had some good games with him.
Anyone know anything?
Graham Kerr (2019-03-02 00:37:35)
Remo Pareschi ?
He timed-out in a game against me too...
Abdulsamad Sujas (2019-03-02 17:54:14)
AlphaZero 2.0
What you posted is not Alpha zero. It is Leela zero, which is same as alpha zero in terms of using neural networks.
It learns by playing itself
Google Leela zero to get info. It is free engine, and need some software knowledge to install. There are YouTube videos and some sites. Find by yourself
. I was using it in my system but problem it is losing on time. Don't know why. But it is now rated no.2 in cc engine matches. Just neck to neck with stockfish.
Thibault de Vassal (2019-03-18 22:59:01)
Leela Chess Zero & neural networks
Month after month, it looks like Leela Chess Zero is taking on computer chess... what do you think? Actually neural networks engines could even solve the future CPU problem (i9 and Threadripper seem much stronger than the first versions of i7 but what next... technology seems to reach some limits) by using GPU in an efficient way instead.
Does anyone use it to analyze correspondence chess games already?
In my opinion, most top centaur players will use Leela or another neural network chess engine (more or less based on ideas that made the success of AlphaZero) within 1 year...
Actually, I'm more and more concerned with the spectacular way & speed A.I. now improves, I just spent some time to understand it better and I wouldn't be surprised if our societies are really shaked in many ways (and more and more) within the next few years.
William Taylor (2019-03-24 21:23:31)
Leela Chess Zero & neural networks
Early on it looked like it was never going to approach AlphaZero levels, but it went toe-to-toe with Stockfish in the last TCEC and must presumably be better than it in some kinds of position. I don't play much correspondence chess these days but will probably try using it for OTB preparation soon.
You're certainly right that AI is having and will have massive societal impacts - hopefully largely positive ones, but that will require smart legislation, responsible research and an informed general public.
Thibault de Vassal (2019-04-01 16:19:38)
April fool jokes at FICGS
I announce here that there won't be april fool jokes anymore at FICGS. Sorry about that for those who liked it (sometimes at least), but it it definitely too confusing on sensible points and it is quite hard to find good ones.
Anyway, have a nice spring everyone!
Thibault de Vassal (2019-06-23 11:42:16)
Tournament
Hello Leon,
All games in a tournament start at the same time, indeed you should have received an email about this. Is there any chance that it was filtered in a spam folder?
Thibault de Vassal (2019-07-29 23:51:20)
Android App not working
It seems that 2 players just encountered the same problem again today (while no update was made since that time). Any others?
Garvin Gray (2019-11-10 12:08:50)
Fat Fritz vs. Stockfish
Interesting this post has been made. I was about to ask what people think of Komodo 13 and how many cpu's do they think it requires to get the full value of Komodo 13.
When AlphaZero 'won' against Stockfish, I think I was one of the first posters that I saw who criticised the conditions and that Stockfish was almost handicapped out of the match.
This match between Fat Fritz and Stockfish seems to have had more even conditions, but I do wonder if the Stockfish 10 engine, was just the one straight off the download, or whether the Stockfish designers were consulted and allowed to tune their engine for the match, just like Fat Fritz would have been.
Those items I think are most important in making any conclusions about how much better Fat Fritz is in front of Stockfish.
And I am always left to wonder about two items when I hear about the results of these matches:
1) Stockfish feels like a very good engine to analyse your correspondence chess games with, but when it is put against some of the other top engines in head to head competitions, it competes well, but loses by a small amount.
So it feels to me like Stockfish has been designed for a purpose, to assist people with their correspondence chess analysis, rather than just being a brute force engine killer.
I would like to see Komodo and Houdini against Fat Fritz or any other contender, with equal conditions and both of those engines having being tuned for the match before hand.
Thibault de Vassal (2019-11-11 20:29:20)
Komodo 13
I guess that it is very hard to answer as many of us have very subjective preferences (like the old times with the quatuor Shredder, Hiarcs, Fritz & Junior, at least before Rybka took it all)... As for me, I can't even answer for now but I always used to consider CEGT rating lists to bias my opinion ^^
Thibault de Vassal (2019-11-28 12:08:42)
Lee Sedol quits Go because of A.I.
Finally, is it time for Go players to play "advanced Go"? Would it make sense like it used to be at chess?
Meanwhile, Go champion Lee Sedol resigns (it seems for several reasons actually, now ranked #54 at GoRatings.org - by the way the full rating list is worth to watch until rank 800)
So, we human will not probably beat what will replace AlphaZero in the future, but as in chess we could learn a lot from it, if not build great centaur teams.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50573071
Thibault de Vassal (2019-12-05 21:32:38)
IECG chess-server.net
Does anyone know how things are going at (IECG) chess-server.net ?
For those who don't know, this correspondence chess server was born at about the same time as FICGS (for about the same reasons) as an evolution for IECG where I used to play correspondence chess by email until 2006, so it's kind of "big brother" by history and "little brother" by chronology... and quite different on many points AFAIK.
As far as I know many of the IECG players continued to play there, after that many joined us here (FICGS started maybe few weeks before). As for me of course I concentrated to play at FICGS all these years so I'm not really aware about Ortwin's server. Now I can see that its traffic recently went badly down (like many chess servers actually and even very impressive ones)... that's the reason for this post: any news about it?
Steven DuCharme (2019-12-08 19:51:08)
IECG chess-server.net
If you mean www.chess-server.net it's going well enough imo. It will apparently be upgraded (redesigned) before year's end.
IECG ended operations 12/31/2010 when it became chess-server.net.
Where did you see the news about that sites' traffic?
Thibault de Vassal (2019-12-08 23:21:56)
IECG chess-server.net
Good news! I check from time to time how are going other chess websites at Alexa traffic rank & Similarweb.
Zeljko Cirovic (2020-01-16 12:36:22)
IECG chess-server.net
STILL NOT START...FICGS__CHESS__KING_SUPERTOURNAMENT__000006
(type : unrated round-robin, time : 30 days, increment : 1 day / move)
Deadline : 2019 september 1st
Thematic chess, first moves : e4 e5 f4
Garvin Gray (2020-01-23 08:16:30)
Vacation suggestion
I would like to propose a change to the settings for vacation.
Currently, when you set your vacation time, it will start from the exact moment you set the vacation.
I think a better way would be to allow players to set vacation, with the starting date in the future.
For instance. A player knows they are going on a two week vacation in two days.
Under the current settings, they either have to 'eat' the two extra days, or wait until the very last moment to set their vacation.
It is a bit of a mystery to me why players can not set their vacation to start in the future?
Thibault de Vassal (2020-01-30 20:38:34)
tournois en cours
Bonjour Patrick,
Je vois, c'est une bonne idée. Par contre il va falloir que je repense à la façon de présenter les options et les parties, pour le moment c'est assez limité en place et en possibilités.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-01-30 20:56:13)
Go needs to be an auto-victory.
I looked for an algorithm long time ago, but finally I had to create my own scoring method... I must say I still don't know how to do this accurately.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-02-07 19:06:41)
Go ratings, rule update
Players can auto-estimate their rating from 0 to 1100 (10 kyu). By default it is 0 (if not specified) or 100 (20 kyu).
Garvin Gray (2020-02-15 13:57:31)
Game decided by tablebase
This topic is referring to game 119111. Over 24 hours ago, I pressed the call referee button and claimed a draw for a six man tablebase position.
I have also referred to this game in the chat section.
Whilst I have plenty of time on my clock, this whole process and lack of action, which in my opinion should not take much effort, is really making me nervous that nothing is going to be done and I should waste my time playing out the position.
All I want is the position declared drawn as per the rules.
It should not be this difficult.
What would occur if I only had two days or so on my clock? Would I have to use vacation time to prevent my clock reaching zero.
Charles Bovary (2020-02-19 14:24:54)
Rated Chess960 matches on the serveur
On FB? Never, as too many accounts have been snapped some time ago. Moreover I won't let my personal data be known by the whole wide world.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-02-20 18:55:28)
Game decided by tablebase
...as per the rules indeed, here rule 11.5 specifies "If time control is superior to 1 day and if a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated."
I understand that this rule may be annoying but it brought some peace since it has been added: either it gives some time to end the game or it helps to make the referee's decision easier (and more acceptable by both players).
Christoph Schroeder (2020-02-21 14:28:01)
Game decided by tablebase
Nowadays, all players are supposed to have access to 7 men tablebases. Therefore I propose to extend the rules to 7 men positions - IMHO the ICCF rules (referred to by Charles) make perfect sense.
That means: When a 7 men position is reached and the opponent refuses to resign resp. to accept a draw, the arbiter can be called and adjudicate the game immediately.
Charles Bovary (2020-02-21 17:59:00)
Game decided by tablebase
As part of the ICCF rules:
7-piece tablebase:5.1.3. A data set or program that indicates forcible outcomes (with best play) when there are 7or fewer pieces remaining on the board.
Referring to in your players feature the game comes to a forced end, if your claim is correct. The TD is the one confirming that your claim is correct. Adjudication is done automatically by the server.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-02-21 23:05:43)
Game decided by tablebase
Access is always possible, but it is not so easy for all players, particularly when playing on mobile phones. FICGS shouldn't be a place for centaur players (usually meaning playing on a computer) only IMO, correspondence chess is played for fun as well. ICCF rules are great in its specific way, but FICGS can be different.
I'm not so sure that those cases would be so rare, many (most?) players don't even know FICGS specific rules :)
Thibault de Vassal (2020-03-02 20:44:28)
Chess WCH #22 (march 1st, 2020)
Dear chessfriends,
This time, the correspondence chess rating list was updated just after that the new correspondence chess WCH cycle started, this is not really usual (and the answer is yes, I forgot to update it) but it can happen and it happened before... Just to remind that there is no particular rule about this, so one can't expect a 100% deterministic situation when a championship starts.
Best of luck everyone :)
Garvin Gray (2020-03-04 05:29:14)
Wch groups, less than 7 players
I have asked Thibault a long time ago about this topic, but it has occurred again.
The rules for the WCH is that if a group has less than 7 players, it may be played as a double round robin.
I think this rule should be changed to: If any groups have less than 7 players, then each of those groups will be a double round robin.
I propose this for discussion, and hopefully agreement as I think it is not helpful for the event to hold groups of 5 and only have 4 games for each player.
If one player times out a game in that group, then that result counts for 25% percent of their opponents total score, whilst the rest of the opponents have to battle against that opponent for the full point.
So, I believe with groups less than 7, double round robin should be used. This will make the winner more meaningful and also reduce the impact of any time outs.
Daniel Parmet (2020-04-28 22:59:06)
The State of correspondence chess
I have played correspondence chess now for 13 years. During that time, I have played 983 correspondence games. These days I mostly play at ICCF and some of these issues may be ICCF specific... but since ICCF has no forum and I want to get a sense of the health of correspondence chess in general... I posit my thoughts here.
First of all, I think the number of correspondence players and the number of correspondence games are decreasing across the board on all correspondence websites due to the things I want to talk about.
Second, I primarily shifted my playing to ICCF years ago for two reasons: 1) The higher level of competition available; 2) The norms available. Although I was concerned with their fees which are usually minor but, in many cases, certain organizers do construct outlandish tournaments that you need to be wary of (looking at you Venezuela).
On the first point, I think ICCF is a little more open to high caliber players competing up until a point (they really try to prevent you from playing a 2450+ player until you are 2450+ yourself). And the rating protections get tougher and tougher the further you go but they make it easy to play 2300 players. While most websites outside of ICCF, usually have one annual Cup / WCH or Thematics, these other websites usually make it impossible to play anyone more than a few hundred points above you no matter your rating outside of these few events.
On the second point, I think ICCF norms are somewhat of an illusion. They’ve always been hard and much harder to achieve than OTB norms which received a watering down of requirements of decades ago. In fact, ICCF norms are so much harder than FIDE norms that one actually needs to achieve two norms to receive the prerequisite title in ICCF vs the standard three norms required by FIDE. In the US, for example, there are 116 ICCF Titled players in history (13 GMs, 25 SIM, 78 IMs) vs 828 FIDE Titled players in present (101 GMs 166 IM 561 FMs) [https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml]. Now however, there is a proposal, for the ICCF GM Title only, proposed by Dennis Doren, ICCF Rules Commissioner who really does a lot for correspondence chess, and SIM Uwe Staroske, ICCF Qualifications and Ratings Commissioner, to remove the requirement to have to play GMs to get the GM Title [leaving IM and SIM untouched] [https://www.iccf.com/Proposal.aspx?id=1280]. This proposal states, “A search of the ICCF data indicates that 21 players obtained at least 2 GM norms across 24 games but failed to get the GM title because of the requirement of "5 GM" opponents. (Only 5 of those players are currently active).†Leaving aside the fact that this proposal violates the very definition of the GM Title, one must beat the club in order to join it, the proposal further outlines the real problems without addressing them, “The GM Title has already become far harder to earn than it used to be, due to the rating suppression caused by the increase in draws.†Wow, let’s unpack that one line because it is a doozy!
Really, this one line, that is easily overlooked, is two huge problems that correspondence is facing: 1) death by one thousand draw paper cuts and 2) rating deflation. I will argue later that there is a third huge problem but let’s start with the ones acknowledged by ICCF itself. Every correspondence player knows the draw rate is going up. As engines and hardware get stronger, players are able to save positions that in the past would have been lost and we are finding ever easier ways to head straight towards 0.00 as Black. I would love to see a detailed analysis that describes how much harder it has become to win as Black against a decent correspondence player (let’s say someone 2300+). In the last five years, I have beaten three 2300+ players as Black without counting mouseslips (one in 2015, one in 2016 and one any day now in 2020) despite playing extremely aggressive openings like the KID (for the record that’s three Black wins out 103 Black draws or 2.91% Win rate). That may be part of the draw problem, but I have witnessed my own draw rate skyrocket 2014: 82.4% 2015: 86.7% 2016: 90.2% 2017: 90.6% 2018: 91% 2019 is still in progress. Often for these norms, you need to score +2, +3, +4 or +5 despite the fact that +1 usually wins the event… and with the draw rate North of 90% in a 12-13 game event that means you are likely to win 1 game on average… but in many events the entire cross table often sees one to three entire wins (look at a recently completed tournament here where I scored my first IM norm that required +0 and I scored +1). My win was one of five wins in the entire tournament 100/105 = 95.2% draw rate! [https://www.iccf.com/event?id=73482]. People love to tell me that’s fine because we are talking about such a weak event as Category 8 [2449 was the rating average]. Fine, I do not accept your argument but let’s look at the World Championship then shall we? Let’s look at the most recently concluded World Championship 30 which finished on 10/2/2019, Category 13 [2562 was the rating average]. This event was won by the new World Champion SIM Kochemasov, Andrey Leonidovich 2540 [https://www.iccf.com/event?id=66745]. Congrats to the new World Champion on his two wins! The event had 8 decisive games out 136 or a draw rate of 91.2% (not far off my own). But wait did I say SIM? I did. In fact, congratulations to the World Champion on scoring his final GM norm as well! This World Championship saw 5 SIMs compete in a field with 12 GMs. While 3 of the SIMs finished 1st 2nd and 3rd, only our new World Champion scored a GM norm. The problem is with all the draws that norms are not just becoming hard, but maintaining or increasing one’s rating is becoming hard. And one’s rating is how one receives any decent invites to have a chance at a norm in the first place.
The draws are a death by one thousand cuts as I recently played one of the ICCF’s proposal’s outlined “21 players that could have obtained a GM norm.†My rating is 2389 and his rating is 2504 (although SIM, he is recognized by all his peers as a GM caliber player). As Black, I obtained an easy draw without ever being in any trouble at all. The player had a rather angry initial discussion with me post mortem about how he felt it was wrong that a 2504 should have to play a player as weak as 2389 where the draw would kill his rating. He felt that his rating was being destroyed by these draws with weaker players and that ICCF should protect him from us. He felt I have it easier as a lower rated player because I can gain rating from these draws. Let’s look at his argument that one is causing the other and it is only happening to those 2500+. At the time that draw occurred, I gained exactly 1.17915 rating points from it (and he lost the same); however, this was the first draw in over 40 games in which I *gained* rating points (this statement is no longer true as a few higher rated players have since given me draws but at the time of the game’s conclusion this was the case). Yes, that’s right, ICCF already does such a good job of protecting higher rated players that it actively hands out advice to new players to be very particular about what invites and events they play because the draws could kill their initial rating. I too have experienced a net negative loss of rating points from draws and still seen my rating going up only due to the fact that wins are easier and ever so slightly more common to come by at my level. However, it means I am not exempt from the draw problem. It is patently false that this problem is limited to those 2500+ as in my last 43 draws, I lost rating in 42 of them and gained rating from 1 of them. Therefore, it appears draws are causing rating deflation and this is the real problem in both norms and correspondence in general. With the exception of matches, perhaps there is a way to have draws not count against one’s rating since there are so many of them? It kind of blends the Chess rating concept with that of Bridge where one cannot lose rating points once earned. What we can see is that the player’s argument that draws are causing rating deflation is probably true. One problem is at least partly causing the other one.
There is a third more devious problem worse than the two outlined above in my opinion. While rating deflation, draws, less players and norms are real issues… they are dwarfed by the change in behavior caused by these issues. I know it is a bit overdramatic to talk about such issues in a time of COVID, but there has been a great increase in the number of players playing Dead Man Defense (often shortened by correspondence players to DMD+ and DMD=). It is important to note that the death rate in COVID for those in the elderly category is markedly higher and the correspondence community in general is also markedly higher. I have heard estimates of the average age of correspondence player being 70-75 range though I haven’t seen any data. Back to DMD, what is DMD and why is it such awful behavior? The players are hoping you die before you win so they can claim either a win on time or if it goes to adjudication then at least claim a draw. The other hope is that you might mouse slip by being forced to play more moves which while that would never happen over the board does surprisingly account for a large portion of wins in ICCF correspondence high-level play. One of the main problems this issue causes is that if someone takes an early draw against a player who then goes on to die, the entire rest of the field gets a free half point and you are punished for playing your game quicker than your peers. Often, players over the board resign once mate is unstoppable or a simple endgame is reached in which the result is known to players of all levels. In correspondence, often even sooner than these players will resign or offer draws, knowing that perpetual check is unavoidable should we play another 10 moves past the piece sac against a bare king? How about when the engine reads +25 +30 or +40? So, for the most, correspondence players draw or resign much earlier than one might over the board due to engine and tablebase assistance. On that note, depending on the tournament, players can outright claim wins and draws either on the 6-piece tablebase (always allowed) or the sometimes allowed on an event by event basis the 7-piece tablebase. It is considered out right rude to make a player play all the way to the 6-piece tablebase to claim. I recently claimed one win in a six piece tablebase up an entire piece where my jolly opponent wanted to discuss the game in a post mortem (rarely done in correspondence in general anyways). I declined to even respond to him even though I was already having a very lively and fun post mortem with a Venezuelan on our extremely interesting draw. A worse example is the 92 move game I played with opposite colored bishops where I had two extra pawns. I offered a draw as white and the higher rated player to my lower rated opponent who declined it, forcing me to play to a 7-piece tablebase claim to end the game. This kind of behavior used to be quite rare. In the past, I would say it happened in 1 out of every 100 games… these days it seems to happen in every other game (1/2!). I have seven different opponents right now that are DMD+ against me where the engine reads +148 (or in some cases even sees mate! The 2504 player that complained about my rating earlier also complained someone was DMD+ him… I remarked that I have no less than 7 players DMD+ me and if they would resign? My rating would be about 2450 right which sort of eliminates his claim about our “giant†rating difference). The issue is that due to rating deflation these players need to artificially keep their rating high as long as they can because that’s how they will get their next invite. With the new terrible time control that is not yet Official (although there is a proposal to make it Official: https://www.iccf.com/Proposal.aspx?id=1282), players only need to make a move once every 50 days to pointlessly extend the game. I have a DMD= draw currently going on 16 months now where the player is just moving Kg1 Kf1 Kg1 every 50 days. This time control exasperates the DMD problem. When I contacted ICCF Officials to point out the severity of this problem, I was told that I should report it to the TD on a case by case basis only if it is DMD+ as they will not look at DMD= at all. However, it is usually the TDs that are the biggest offenders (6 of the 7 players described above were TDs). In fact, it is usually the same general casts of characters which allows for an easy black list to be created that bars these players from play until they can fix their atrocious behavior. This behavior needs to be punished. These players need to be reprimanded. In the end, lack of norms, rating deflation and the draw death will not make me quit correspondence chess. It is DMD+/DMD= that will make me quit. This experience is my personal experience with high level correspondence over thirteen years and I would love to hear from other correspondence players concerning these problems.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-05-06 01:41:10)
AlphaGo, the movie (Deepmind)
Actually, the story ends with the defeat 4-1 of Lee Se-dol, but it is really great to see more of the way the match was conducted (and how this incredible champion lived that huge challenge). Great archive IMO.
Steven DuCharme (2020-05-14 16:55:03)
CC Server World Championship Tournament
deadline is 12 AM June 1 Wisonsin Time
Tim Harding (2020-05-22 23:08:37)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?
The King Supertournament is supposed to be strictly no engines. What are you doing to prevent cheating?
Thibault de Vassal (2020-05-22 23:26:59)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?
Hello Tim,
From FICGS start, I always had the same politics for "no engines" tournaments:
- It is possible to punish obvious cheating, but it will not be possible to prevent intelligent cheating... There's always a way to round the system.
- There are no prizes or "titles" in these tournaments, only the dishonor that other players think that one can play with engines.
Knowing that, I think that honest players can play for fun anyway, I tried it and enjoyed to lose :)
As a conclusion and to make it clearer, no action is taken in any case of using an engine in no engines tournaments. Allowing obvious cheating will help players to make their opinion on their opponents.
Roberto Battaglia (2020-06-04 09:55:29)
chess archives in pgn
A few days ago, in the chat, I put some questions regarding the existence or not of archives of chess games and their organization. The chat doesn't allow many words so I take advantage of the forum for explaining the matter.
For example on the ICCF website I find for each player a file with all his chess games, I also find archives of all the games played year by year. This allows me to create excellent databases, using for example SCID.
I also would like to add the games played on FICS but, perhaps for my limit, I was able to find only one way to access the pgn. that is: I type the name of a player in the search box and press go. If, for example, I write Fric (Fric Lubos is a friend of mine who attends both ICCF and FICGS) I find all his PNGs but there are mixed games of poker and chess and this creates a problem because I have to separate them by looking at them one by one.
I hope I was clear. Obviously it is possible that I have not seen some functions of the site that allow to access to archives where could be stored games divided by year, by player and by type of game. I thank all those who want to answer me and wish everyone good and winning games.
Roberto
Miroslav Gazi (2020-06-09 08:18:34)
Chess DB
What about using chess DaBABases?
https://windchess.com/improve-chess/22-announcements/105-dababase-q30m
Thibault de Vassal (2020-06-09 17:12:22)
Chess DB
I did not understand immediately that you were in Windchess team ^^ Sure, feel free to contact me through email.
Best,
Thibault
Thibault de Vassal (2020-06-18 11:04:12)
Game 122565
Hello Wilhelm,
Exactly, time control there is 40 days + 40 days each 10 moves (at move 10, 20, 30 and so on).
Steven DuCharme (2020-07-29 03:56:24)
What is the longest game of Big Chess?
Longest by time or # of moves?
Thibault de Vassal (2020-07-29 11:48:26)
What is the longest game of Big Chess?
Hah, good idea... I should find the longest by time as well (at least 3 years I think), but there are vacations.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-07-30 01:28:33)
Chess engines levels from 1985 to 2020
What do you think about these elo estimations for chess engines, from Mephisto to DeepBlue, then AlphaZero and Stockfish, Komodo & so on?
Old names surfacing: Rybka of course, all Chessbase engines (Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs & Shredder) but also older but well known names like Fruit, Crafty, Chess Tiger, Chess Genius, Chessmaster, Rebel, Saitek, Nimzo and many others... Those graphics are always funny to watch :)
Graham Kerr (2020-08-02 00:34:05)
Chess engines levels from 1985 to 2020
would have been a whole lot better if it used a
rating based on performance rather than just someone's estimate...
Steven DuCharme (2020-08-29 05:03:41)
I have left here...
permanently...may yours improve incrementally :)
Thibault de Vassal (2020-09-02 21:54:05)
Thematic tournaments?
Already two players in the waiting list for the current one... but I'll change it next time.
Thomas Croon (2020-09-14 14:36:46)
bullet corrospondence
whats the time controls for it. I am confusioned
Garvin Gray (2020-09-15 03:42:27)
bullet corrospondence
Bullet advanced chess: time:
0 day, 00:05:00, increment : 0 day, 00:00:15 / move)
So five minutes initial time, plus 15 seconds per move from move one till the end of the game.
Garvin Gray (2020-09-18 07:05:09)
Stockfish 12, neural network
I do not put much faith in CEGT rating lists. What those rating lists measure is engine play v engine play.
Whilst that can be interesting to see if any 'newcomers' or updates are worthy of consideration, for our purposes of correspondence chess analysis, engine v engine play has some major limitations.
Garvin Gray (2020-09-18 07:07:35)
bullet corrospondence
Whilst 'correspondence' might be confusing, in the section for Advanced chess, where this time control and games are located, 'correspondence' is not used.
It is clearly marked 'Advanced' and then the time control and stake options are listed.
If someone was looking for a description, or term, Centaur, would be more accurate.
Garvin Gray (2020-10-03 04:51:35)
Stockfish 12, neural network
Hello Stanislas,
Thank you for your reply and assistance.
I believe I have been able to solve the issue and it was more simple than I thought.
I was thinking that my attempts to download SF12 and use the engine were being thwarted due to issue with the Neural Network.
But I re-downloaded the engine, loaded it and then changed the parameters and it now loads just fine.
I use Fritz 12 GUI, but I also have Fritz 17 GUI.
And my computer is a decent one and less than a year old, so no issues there.
Daniel Parmet (2020-12-03 19:09:01)
What happened to all the players?
What happened to all the players? I see we used to have dozens of GMs and SIMs not to mention just a huge quantity of players here in years past. How do we get them back? It has become so hard to play on ICCF. Online chess is seeing this huge surge and even now more FIDE IMs and GMs seem to be trying correspondence for lack of other places to play. Why hasn't FICGS enjoyed some of this uptick as well as DMD, rating deflation and lack of events hurt ICCF.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-12-03 23:55:16)
What happened to all the players?
Hi Daniel, I'm not sure that correspondence chess servers will benefit much from that show (The Queen's Gambit) compared to chess.com & maybe chess over the board. You say that more FIDE IMs and GMs seem to be trying correspondence chess? Or online chess?
Daniel Parmet (2020-12-04 01:39:36)
What happened to all the players?
Thibault,
You maybe misunderstand me or perhaps I am not being clear by conflating so many issues at once.
1) 1st issue, I did not mention Queens Gambit at all as this show has done very little for chess. The numbers were already skyrocketing on lichess, chess.com and other places due to lockdowns, lack of socialization and spending more times indoors. If anything, it is the SHOW that piggy backed on THIS trend in order to achieve its own popularity (not the other way around).
2) I mean to refer to the fact that many more players used to play here that no longer do which were very strong SIMs and GMs in 09-12 but they're gone now. Why?
3) The growth. Yes, I currently have two otb IMs I am playing against their first games on ICCF and I have already played against 3 GMs whose first games it was on ICCF. Look at the recently started USA/A It has 3 otb GMs that have no corr games. Or how about GM Sam Sevian? https://www.iccf.com/event?id=80817 GM Elshan Moriadiabadi https://www.iccf.com/player?id=517491 And on and on I could go.
4) Separate entirely is how hard it has become to find players of your own level to play, maintain one's rating and the DMD issues which caused LSS to announce their own special DMD rules.
Garvin Gray (2020-12-06 13:57:56)
Repeated draw offers
I have noted over quite a period of time where players complain that their opponents keep offering draw after draw after draw.
At this point in time, the only avenue to try and get this stopped is to press 'call referee' and complain to Thibault.
ICCF has a different solution to this matter and I believe it should be incorporated here:
If a player offers a draw in a single game, and that draw offer is declined by the opponent, the server will incapacitate the player's ability to make a second draw offer until at least 10 more moves have been made, with one exception.
If the opponent offers a draw during a player's 10-move count (that is, within 10 moves subsequent to the player's having made a draw offer), then the player's 10-move count is terminated at that time such that the player can again offer a draw with any move. This "10-move" rule does not include claims of a draw related to 3-position repetition, 7-piece tablebase claims, 50-move rule claims, or adjudication-related claims.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-12-08 15:33:13)
What happened to all the players?
Thanks for the enlightments!
1) Interesting idea, I did not think it this way but that sounds credible.
2) Too many possible reasons IMHO, first could be the lower rate benefits/investment, added to the constantly growing place of chess engines (particularly since the Rybka era) in the game and the way our lives changed all over the years (real life, social networks, Netflix & so on).
3) That's quite surprising to me but well, at least chess found a way :)
4) I did not hear about that rule yet, what's the idea?
Thibault de Vassal (2020-12-11 20:57:43)
Repeated draw offers
Well, I took some time to think (again) about this problem. Not an obvious one.
Of course, the best option seem to be to let players to tell the server (and their opponent, or not) what they want to read / receive [draw offers], whenever they want. All other solutions seem to be a part of this solution.
By the way, players could tell the server (and their opponent, or not) what they want to read / receive [private messages], whenever they want.
I must say that all choices [any change, or no change at all] seem not satisfying to me for now... It is a real and complex ethical question to me.
Garvin Gray (2020-12-12 05:04:25)
Repeated draw offers
I do not see any ethical questions here.
The issue is rather simple. Are repeated draw offers a nuisance? The clear answer would be yes to this.
And so, what is a solution?
Currently, if a player is being annoyed/distracted by the repeated draw offers, they have to click 'call referee' and then formally complain about the draw offers.
Most people are not aware of this option, or do not complain. This does not mean that they are off put by it, but instead either just put up with it, which then advantages the draw offerer, or they walk away from the site and play elsewhere.
The solution I have offered allows the draw offer, but stops repeated draw offers.
I would say in all the games that have been played on this site, that out of all those games, the percentage of games that have ended in a draw after a player has offered two or more draws in a row to be so small as to not be measurable.
As a side note - As this is an ICCF rule, this means that the majority of ICCF National Federations voted to implement this rule.
Clearly, those NF's thought the issue was serious enough to implement this rule years ago, with refinements along the way to the current rule quoted here.
Since the rule has been in place and not overturned, I think the fact that many National Federations and players want this rule should be a clear clue that the issue is serious and counter measures should be put in place, as suggested with my rule offer.
Daniel Parmet (2020-12-12 18:01:32)
What happened to all the players?
Here I quote LSS rule:
"Dear Chessfriends,
in the past there have been many complaints about games where one player started moving slowly esp in a lost position, partially using the 30-day-per-individual-move rule to its extreme. To my opinion, this is not a good attitude of sportsmanship.
I have therefore developed a measure against this. Depending on the position, the used time of reflection and the ratings of both players, the server can detect such games with a high probability. Actually, the delay of games is already part of the LSS Rules, but was not in effect so far.
Effective 1st October, 2020, such games will now be stopped by the server and the delaying player will be suspended for 3 weeks to start new tournaments. Further penalties might be introduced, if required.
The algorithm will not be revealed to avoid misuse and it might be due to change without notice.
Best wishes
Ortwin Pätzold"
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2020-12-12 18:39:05)
What happened to all the players?
And this is the reason why I will not start any tournaments at LSS after finishing my last game. It should not be the server's job to estimate and finish a game.
Rotom Monotua (2020-12-13 08:54:24)
What happened to all the players?
I am with Heinz- Georg when he says it's not the servers job to end a game.
Opponents who are delaying might be annoying but on the other hand have every right to use there time.
Thibault de Vassal (2020-12-13 11:59:19)
What happened to all the players?
That is a tough choice from Ortwin, obviously... I agree with him on the idea that any rule can/will be enforced, but I'm not sure I can agree with this "unknown" rule, indeed. But it may work.
Thanks to Daniel for the quote and to all for the comments on this difficult issue. That's matter to think about.
Heinz-Georg Lehnhoff (2020-12-13 18:44:07)
What happened to all the players?
In LSS, the server only terminates games if a player does not respond for a longer time and the engine used by the server evaluates the position of this player as lost. Furthermore, the ELO numbers of the two players are important. However, Ortwin does not publish the exact algorithm. He only published some examples in advance.
By the way, obvious draw positions are not finished.
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-03-19 19:33:03)
Berlin Defense
Well, at least I don't remember any loss in long time control games. Maybe I should search my games to be 100% sure about it.
Vadrya Pokshtya (2022-02-17 08:52:23)
Grand Dice Chess
Hello,
I am the author and inventor of chess variants. My chess variants are published on chessvariants.com and some of them can be played on Game Courier.
I would like to present to you a variant of chess with dice that I invented relatively recently and which can already be played on two sites on the Internet.
Grand Dice Chess
The Rules
The game uses a 12x12 board.
Each player has:
4 Kings
24 Pawns
8 Knights
8 Bishops
8 Rooks
4 Queens
White and black occupy the 1st-6th and 7th-12th ranks, respectively, as shown in the diagram.
Unfortunately I can't post an image here, but you can always find it here:
https://granddicechess.blogspot.com/2022/01/grand-dice-chess.html
https://www.chess.com/blog/Pokshtya/grand-dice-chess-battle
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-variants/grand-dice-chess
White starts the game first.
The game uses four dice.
Opponents make moves alternately, throwing 4 dice. The piece to move is determined by a die:
1 = pawn, 2 = knight, 3 = bishop, 4 = rook, 5 = queen and 6 = king.
The player makes four moves at the same time based on the indications of the dice and has the right to refuse (pass) any move that does not suit him, unless it is a pawn move. Unlike in regular dice chess it's allowable to pass moves. And this rule was already applied about a thousand years ago in old variant of Shatranj (Shatranj al-Mustatîla or Oblong Chess), the Arabic pre-decessor of modern chess. However it's not allowed to pass on pawn-moves, except when they are blocked.
Chess pieces move across the board as they do in ordinary chess - according to the standard rules of move and capture.
The only minor exception is for a pawn that is not allowed to move forward two squares from its starting position.
Upon reaching the last rank, the pawn can be promoted to any piece except the king and itself.
There is no castling, check and checkmate in the game.
The goal of the game is to capture four enemy kings.
The first test tournament was held on the site http://abstractgames.ru/index.php
The tournament is attended by 10 people and I received the most positive feedback from them.
The game has proven itself so well that regular tournaments have already been launched.
Yesterday the game was added to Dagaz server https://games.dtco.ru/map
And it's a great place to test the game in person, as registering on the site is very easy and doesn't require any personal information.
The game turned out to be extremely interesting and exciting, replete with puzzling combinations. Surprisingly, with this size of the board and the number of pieces, the average game lasts no more than 30 turns.
Tim Harding (2021-04-02 23:02:25)
Pointless To Play The Kings Gambit ?
But you said yourself you are not stopping anyone cheating, so I won't be entering another of these events I think. (Also because 90% of my games with Black I win very easily against weak opponents.) It's possible for White to avoid defeat in the KG if he chooses the safest lines but Black has a wide choice of playable defences. In some of these if White wants to have a real chance to win then he also increases the prospect of losing. I had some failed experiments in these tournaments.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-04-06 01:15:09)
Poker Rating
In my opinion it would be more like saying: "If a football team shows probable non-sportsmanship by playing without any effort...", in many competitions the result is impacted by such behaviour, in some cases the game is adjudicated.
Why move 10 ? Only because we need a clear rule. It is a choice and just like most rules, once we know it, we have to accept it to continue the game (and casually adapt our way to play). Anyway this rule was very efficient as for rapid forfeits, it is really useful.
Garvin Gray (2021-04-10 03:20:05)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
As noted by Stanislas Gounant, all three groups have now ended.
Looking at the qualifying structure for the World Championship, are we waiting for the winners of the two Semi Finals to be completed?
That would then mean the Knockout final and the Round Robin Final start at the same time.
In response to that, I would think that a round robin group of 28 games would take longer than a knockout final of 8 games, so the round robin group should start earlier, if possible
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-04-11 13:54:18)
Poker Rating
Imo, the 10 move rule doesn't make sense for poker. It should be turned off (for poker only).
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-04-11 17:55:56)
Poker Rating
Dunno, but it makes a bit more sense for chess (not sure if enough, and mostly I don't care as all my games are more than 10 moves anyway).
Poker has this option to go all-in which is legit move and sometimes can cause legit games that are less than 10 moves short. (If a player is crazy enough.)
Thibault de Vassal (2021-04-12 12:14:19)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
Well, any solution is fine to me, but I'm not sure it would be ok for all players, particularly those who may try to manage many games in various WCH cycles... but maybe it is time to decide and to make a new rule.
Yeturu Aahlad (2021-04-12 19:10:42)
Poker Rating
At big chess, it is fairly common for one side - typically Black - to be down a pawn early in the game. I have had at least one opponent immediately resign. At Go, a player may blunder in a corner and immediately resign.
On the other hand, I have won many games on time and in many of those cases, the opponent didn't make any moves at all.
Perhaps a subjective challenge deserves a subjective response - I am seeing sound arguments on both sides. Suggestion - if a game concludes under 10 moves, and the winner thinks she has a genuine grievance, she can appeal for the ELO grant and a referee will adjudicate. Herbert's case is very strong. If the losing side didn't make any moves, adjudication need not be allowed, or may be automatically denied. Too many frivolous appeals from a player can lead to disciplinary action including a loss of this privilege. (I don't expect that to happen in this community)
Garvin Gray (2021-04-13 09:25:24)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
In terms of games management, I do not think there is any 'perfect' solution.
The only way a player could have any way of being able to predict when the next stage would start is if a full pdf calendar was published, which is not the case for this site.
With what we have to work with so far, the best way a player can predict game load is to monitor the remaining games in the cycle in progress and estimate when they are going to end.
And then a rule could be implemented that states something like: Once all games from the previous stage have been completed, the next stage will begin as of the 1st of the next month.
Which would mean that for Wch 22 Stage 2, the Round Robin group would start 1/5/2021.
And then once the last two games from the Semi Final knockouts are completed, the knockout final starts on the 1st day of the next month.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-04-15 14:39:10)
Poker Rating
Any player who forfeits without a good reason should lose some points IMO (maybe more or maybe less than a regular lost game, but here it is equal at the moment)... but should a player who wins such a game be rewarded when he played 0, 1 or 5 moves? I don't think so. If it was the case, it would be much easier to manipulate ratings.
Stanislas Gounant (2021-04-15 15:55:58)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
If WCH 24 stage 1 start in the same time that WCH 22 stage 3, lot of games start in the same time
Don Groves (2021-04-16 22:49:33)
Poker Rating
Do other chess sites have rules similar to those here?
Garvin Gray (2021-04-18 13:26:22)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
I have come to the conclusion that there is no point in debating this topic.
The reason for deciding on this conclusion is that I believe that Thibault will always support the status quo and will not change is opinion as site owner, therefore it is a complete waste of time debating any of these topics.
I have been involved in these debates before, and even though sometimes changes are made, it takes many months of painful debate and even after that and agreements reached, those agreements are then reneged on.
Therefore, it is just a waste of time to attempt to try and change the status quo.
Garvin Gray (2021-04-18 17:28:11)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
I do not disagree with your general sentiment, but as someone who has been on this site a long time, I have experienced a lot of negotiations and discussions like this, where the discussions end up going nowhere, or some kind of 'change' is promised , and then after a while, those format changes are walked back.
Therefore, I have become rather jaded by this entire process and I am now of the opinion that Thibault just offers these discussions in an attempt to make it look like he is entertaining differing opinions, when really he TRULY can not bring himself to make the changes that some of these discussions are asking for as he already believes that the site is perfect as it is.
So, you are then treating the forum posters like mugs if you are saying, lets discuss the topic and come up with new ideas, if you have no genuine intention of embracing any of the ideas proposed.
I have now said my last post on this matter for quite a while.
I have made it clear what I think of these forum discussions and their purpose, so there is now no further requirement for me to reply.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-04-18 22:39:47)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
With all my respect Garvin, you couldn't be more wrong on that one... To me, FICGS is everything but perfect. Actually it is so heavy (mainly because it was coded very very fast - way too fast - with the [bad] idea to make it simple and to save as much processor & memory as possible) that some changes are very difficult to make. In this way, some good ideas could be very hard to bring to life.
But these 2 changes asked in the 2 running threads would be very easy to make! So it is only a question of time (it is most often bad to make a change fastly). For now, I have no clear opinion in this discussion and we could easily add a rule that states that any stage could start as fast as possible. And in the other discussion, the 10 moves rule could disappear even if I think it wouldn't be a good idea. Or it could evolve as it has been mentioned.
Garvin Gray (2021-05-04 12:14:16)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
I decided to leave this discussion for a while for two reasons. 1) I genuinely believed that whatever would be agreed to in this discussions would be unwound at a later date and
2) That my involvement in the discussions was not a helpful factor for others to become involved in the discussions
I will now explain what issues made me go public with my frustrations with this site and with the site owner in particular.
Over a long period of time, I had a to beg, plead and convince that the FICGS World Cup was an event that would be supported, despite Thibault's regular protests to the contrary.
Once the event and the format was finally decided to 'give it a go', the numbers was huge for this site and the general format had two primary goals:
1) No preferential treatment for high rated players. Everyone started from round one and the groups for round one would be divided up to make sure that each group would be of roughly equal strength
2) In previous discussions with the WCH, I had regularly protested that when there were groups of 5, that these groups should be double round robin, ensuring that all players got eight games and that colour allocation for the top two seeds would not play a role in the final results.
Then the latest groupings for the World Cup were released and everything that had been previously agreed had been violated:
1) Groups of 5 were used and all groups were only single round robin (breaking of a previous agreement)
2) The entire purpose of the World Cup was to have large first round groups and a small number of groups, ensuring that only about 9 or so players made it through to the final round. As it stands now, about 19 players will make it to the final round. The entire format has been advertised as a two round event. Therefore, there can not be a third stage. This is a clear condition of entry and it can not be violated. (breaking of another previous agreement).
I can go on and on, but I think this is sufficient as to highlight why I come to the conclusion that the site owner has no issue at all with breaking previous agreements.
I busted my ass for a number of years to convince everyone that the World Cup was a good event worth supporting. And when it was first run, it was well supported.
To now see it so corrupted makes me just think, why bother. Another deal broken. Time to move on from this site.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-05-07 01:34:51)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
I understand your frustration Garvin, thanks for explaining your views once again and I'll try to answer each point (even if you do not answer anymore):
a) You were right on the Cup format Garvin, obviously. Probably on (many) other ideas... I just can't say.
b) I always thought & said that stable rules were important in many ways (that I explained), which is frustrating, I understand that.
c) As far as I remember, I added the possibility of double round-robin for 5-players groups after that discussion but indeed it was (probably) never used. Maybe the rule should be changed to "always double-robin for 5-players groups", that would be easy to do. A fact is that it is difficult to gather more than 3 or 4 opinions in this forum these times :/ By the way, if anyone can find this discussion where I agreeded something else than a possibility, then (my bad) I'll change it immediately.
d) I do think that a multi-stages tournament should have a pre-determined number of stages... (players should know what kind of engagement it represents) Maybe I just missed that point and a rule specifying that stage 1 groups will be built so that x to y players (no less, no more) will play round 2 could be added. Why not.
Misha Allport (2021-05-26 16:36:51)
Waiting List Expiration.
Are there time limits for waiting lists? Are they removed for lack of interest/non-participation?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-05-27 00:02:46)
Waiting List Expiration.
Hello Misha.
No there aren't, but sometimes I may delete & close a waiting list (or change rating range) if there's no hope to fill it.
Garvin Gray (2021-06-13 11:22:28)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
Now that my ficgs cup group has finished, I feel I can reply without feeling like I am pushing my own barrow.
When I highlighting the issue of when there is a group of 5, I was not intending it to be related to either championship.
This is because, in my view, the issue is the same, regardless of whether the group of view occurs in the WCH, the ficgs cup or a general group game.
I am aware that some people probably have read my replies as being rather strong on this topic, and in some cases, unhelpful, but if you look at it from the viewpoint of having engaged in genuine dialogue, exchanged viewpoints, debated back and forth, and gone over many topics again and again and finally after all that time, have gotten in writing and published rules that changes will be made, and then as soon as the situations come up again, the old rules are enforced again and nothing changes, then it becomes quite a bit more understandable why a negative tone and suspicion is underlaid in the discussions.
And as for why not walk away?
Had I been told that the entire format for the FICGS cup was going to be disbanded, that groups of 5 were going to be used and only single round robin was going to be used and three or four stages were going to be used, then YES, I probably would not have entered, and I would have made my feelings known as to why I was not entering.
And, I would have been looking to not enter any further World Championships as well. I have a Round Robin group coming up, as well as a Stage 2. These I will complete and do my best to advance, but if the old rules are maintained, then I will not be entering any future cycles.
Herbert Kruse (2021-06-13 23:03:42)
What is the longest game of Big Chess?
FIDE Laws of Chess:
5.1 The game is won by the player who has checkmated his opponent's king. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the checkmate position was legal.
Herbert Kruse (2021-06-16 18:53:22)
What is the longest game of Big Chess?
b) When a player wins a tournament with an entry fee (not null) and prize, he can choose after the game(s) to keep E-Points (by default) instantly added in his FICGS account or, if he has E-Points enough in his account, a money prize. Entry fees and prizes in E-Points are published on the tournament page in "Waiting lists". If games in such a tournament have not been really played for a win, for example if a participant obviously lost quickly one or several games, these tournaments will not be considered as wins and the player showing this behaviour will lose his E-points involved in the tournament, that will be taken from the winner's account if necessary.
If you ask for a money prize, the tournament prize in E-Points will be taken from your account, then you'll be paid 70 % of the total entry fees in Euros, divided according to the number of winners in the tournament, ie. if you win your game(s) in a Gold 2-players tournament : 70 % of 200 = 140 Euros. This ratio may evolve anytime. (!!!)
is the last you are waiting for?
its 11 days since the first checkmate and my opponnet did not resign
Thibault de Vassal (2021-06-19 11:19:01)
What is the longest game of Big Chess?
Yes, checkmate is the goal (in some way) of the game, but it doesn't say it automatically ends the game. Of course I can specify it.
Finally your opponent did resign... new players do not always get immediately how the site works.
And yes, the ratio may evolve, it happened once only since FICGS started.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-04 00:58:51)
Wch 22 Stage 2 ended
Sharing your opinion here was never unhelpful, whatever the consequences... Thank you again for that (whatever the tone ^^), it has become too rare.
That's the fourth time I re-read your answer and I always take time to think about it, and I'm still not ready to answer it. That's probably one reason to that lack of changes, I'm that slow :)
Garvin Gray (2021-07-05 08:37:02)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament
I added the possibility only of double round robin in Wch because I was not sure it was necessary in every stages (obviously it finds more sense in a round robin final than in stage 1), but anyway I could make it more accurate."
So, in all ways, it sounds like I didn't specify that all 5 players groups in WCH should be double round robin.
Garvin - Are you now specifying that ALL 5 player groups will now be double round robins?
As for the first part, I think actually a DRR (double round robin) in stage 1 is just as important, if not more so.
Here is why.
Players are seeded from 1 to the last player across the groups, going back and forth across the groups to seed the second seeds, third seeds and so forth.
This then can produce large differences in ratings between the players in some groups, and in others, very small differences between the top two seeds.
And it is for this fact, and then that players 3, 4 and 5 are then going to be very far rated below seeds 1 and 2, that a double round robin is necessary.
Otherwise, the number 1 seed gains a rather large advantage by being white against the number two seed.
A double round robin in all groups that are 5 player avoids all these issues. It is only 8 games total.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-08 18:10:09)
Big Chess theory?
IMHO the queen is more worthy than 2 rooks... at least for human players ^^
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-09 01:59:50)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament
Of course you make a point there, but it also questions 7 players groups (after all, rating difference between seed 1 & seed 2 is not much lower in average, and 12 games is still feasible in regular groups).
When groups should be double RR or not? Well, I agree that simple RR is not the most fair way, but as I explained about a decade ago, the idea of this championship was not to be the most fair, it was to multiply occurences without loading a too large number of games (and keeping rules as simple as possible, which was not a great success there by the way ^^).
Anyway, I won't say you're wrong, I think it was just a choice like another one.
But we can give it a try (maybe it will be a way to get some impressions & comments), so we'll have 5 players double RR tomorrow if it has to happen.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-09 02:02:20)
Big Chess theory?
I don't think a bishop is worth 2 knights... maybe 6 paws IMO, but bishops of opposite colors also matter.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-11 17:49:37)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament
Here we are, for the first time in the FICGS chess championship, we have 5 players double round robin groups (regular groups, not M / SM groups)... Of course, players are invited to share their impressions on this matter.
Christoph Schroeder (2021-07-18 02:23:21)
3 times repetition not recognized ??
Game 131349 is a 3 times repetition. My opponent still declines my draw offer.
Why isn't there an automatic end of a game when a position is repeated for the third time?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-18 12:19:46)
3 times repetition not recognized ??
There is, but still buggy sometimes... it should detect the next occurrence anyway. Strange to see players declining such draw offers.
Christoph Schroeder (2021-07-18 12:55:47)
3 times repetition not recognized ??
As we have seen in another thread, some players need a tutorial for the ending KB vs K.
Apparently, others have never heard of the threefold repetition rule.
Christoph Schroeder (2021-07-18 13:00:19)
3 times repetition not recognized ??
Indeed, after my next move the repetition was recognized.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-20 15:17:19)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament
No, we always have to wait for the end of all deciding games in previous rounds. This time, Ko's final & semi finals started just after the next cycle, but the candidates final is still to start.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-26 16:16:20)
Another error.
Right, that is the bad part of having installed a javascript viewer made by someone else... sometimes there are some incompatibilities and the game cannot be read furthermore. But the other javascript viewer (click the magnifying glass next to "Game 129344") works, the king is actually in g2
Garvin Gray (2021-09-11 11:56:08)
VENEZUELA HAS BEEN DISMISSED FROM ICCF
Juri - Quite a few of your questions contain quite a lot of accusations, or at least a tone of accusations, or that those who took actions in dismissing Venezuela has some kind of hidden motives.
The decision to dismiss Venezuela was made by the National Delegates of each Federation of ICCF, after considering all the evidence before them.
This included unpaid prize money, where entry fees were charged, over at least two years, unpaid affiliated fees to the ICCF (same time period) and the National Delegate of Venezuela was offered many opportunities to pay back the money.
The National Delegate ran the tournaments, handled the money through paypal and in the end was in debt to the ICCF and the players of their tournament to the tune of roughly 7 to 10 thousand euros.
So, yes, ICCF has provided plenty of evidence that the 'organiser' took off with the entry fees of the players and did not pay out the advertised prize monies.
Multiple attempts were made by the ICCF Executive Board to reach a satisfactory compromise with the National Delegate, but in the end the National Delegate cut off all communications and went completely silent to everyone.
All Federations pay an affiliation fee to be part of ICCF. This amount is levied in part based on the number of members a Federation has, and also that countries economic position (GDP).
After reading all this, what other option was there for the other National Delegates to vote for?
In another proposal, which you have not referenced, the ICCF Executive board has promised that the prize money that was not paid out by the Venezuelan National Delegate would be covered by the ICCF, which will cost roughly 10,000 euro and will be paid out to the players.
So, to answer your questions after all this information:
1) No. This issue and your question are not related at all. It is not even certain if the Venezuelan National Delegate lived in Venezuela.
2) Yes, plenty of evidence was provided. Players had also reported that they had not received their prize money. I can report this as fact as I got burnt as a player in one of their events. So I know first hand that this occurred.
3) This has nothing to do with 'sports'.
This is a common misunderstanding about how ICCF works. ICCF is an association of Federations ie ICCF only recognises Federations. Therefore, officially ICCF can only take action formally against Federations and only works with the National Delegate from that Federation.
How the Federation conducts their business 'behind the scenes' is up to them and is none of the business of ICCF. It would be highly improper for ICCF to have a say in how any individual Federation ran their Federation.
What now occurs is that the remaining Venezuelan players are treated as isolated players. They can not represent Venezuela in team events, by they are free to play in any individual events.
Some of these players might be picked up by other Federations, if another Federation wants them.
4) Money transfers - As I already alluded to, it is not clear if the Venezuelan ND was even in Venezuela, but anyways, he had no trouble receive the entry fees, so money transfers by paypal were no issue.
If there was an issue, then they should not have run prize money tournaments
5) No political motives - This was a straight up case of whether the Venezuelan ND had taken off with the entry fees of the players and failed to pay out the prize money from many tournaments, as well as the Federation failing to pay their affiliation fees, as well as being in debt for other fees as well.
These are basic responsibilities for all Federations. Even if you want to lay all the blame of the Venezuelan ND, a case can be made as to ask what happened to any oversight from anyone else?
Or was the Venezuelan ND just a rogue operator?
This experience has left a sour taste in everyone's mouth and remedy steps have been taken to try and avoid this occurring again.
See other proposals.
Garvin Gray
Australia ICCF National Delegate
Garvin Gray (2021-09-20 03:09:17)
Chess Cup final #4
Solved the download games issue. I normally download the games from 'download my games' and right click save link as - to my desktop and then change the file name, so it ends with .pgn.
That changes the file to a pgn file. Then I copy the games across to the database.
This time, in the same location, I tried saving, all games, and it saved all games, then I filtered just my games, then I copied my games across to my database.
Garvin Gray (2021-09-24 19:07:03)
Chess Cup final #4
So, in review of what occurred from the preliminary stage, where there 15 groups of 5 players, making 75 players in total?
Is that correct?
Juri Eintalu (2021-10-06 18:54:56)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess
Now, as a new user on FICGS, I have a new problem. I do not know how to block another user whose aggressive comments I really do not want to read or respond to.
The system of accepting a draw can be tested, of course, if 2 staff members of FICGS play 4 unrated games with each other, proposing a draw on the 4. move. First, whether checking the "Accept" box is sufficient; Second, whether my claim is true that it is possible to check the "Accept", make a move and send it - to achieve acceptance of a draw.
Possibly, there are some time-out problems with the promised pop-up window.
I really do not respond ever again to GG-s empty etc comments.
Juri Eintalu (2021-10-07 04:56:34)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess
Ilmars Cirulis
How to Accept a Draw in Chess
"JE, you can always skip reading forum. :D
About the topic - I don't have any problems with offering or accepting draw here."
- Unfortunately, I am unable to understand what you are trying to say. I am new here and I asked a question. Now, I have heard two "answers": that the others do not have that problem. - Then my "answer" is that I have had no such problems e.g., on Lichess. And I have always imagined that if someone asks help on the forum, then the decent answer would not be like GG-s "answer" mentioning some "box for the idiots". And I can always skip using that platform FICGS as well.
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-10-20 17:40:28)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament
Wow, indeed. Imho, that game could be adjudicated.
Juri Eintalu (2021-10-21 16:33:26)
How to Accept a Draw in Chess
You are right. I am using the "slow moves". I thought it is reasonable in correspondence chess. I shall try some other regime. Thank you.
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-10-28 19:09:22)
Big Chess theory?
Maximum amount of pawns to sacrifice for better development is one pawn. :D
Juri Eintalu (2021-11-27 02:49:44)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers
I have read that in Latvia, unvaccinated deputies of the parliament are banned from voting and giving speeches — even from far, digitally. Estonian newspapers wrote about this.
I have also read that in some parts of Australia, the unvaccinated deputies of some local offices cannot vote even from far. I do not know what to believe.
However, online voting cannot spread the virus.
Therefore, a question arises concerning correspondence chess. Imagine that someone demands that unvaccinated chess players be banned from playing online chess because online chess cannot infect anyone with the virus.
I do not understand what the logic of all of this is.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-11-29 02:01:04)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers
It seems to me that is pure political stuff... Someones want the others being vaccinated to protect everyone best, someones don't want to be vaccinated... Well, that is just an explosive melt. I don't think that there is a simple solution, but well... it is obvious that our governments impact/affect us in many ways, I'm not sure if "it <<shouldn't>> have some control on our body as well (to protect the others)" is a real argument.
Fortunately, the context of correspondence chess is not the same as paliaments ^^
Thibault de Vassal (2021-11-29 02:09:11)
Repeated draw offers
After a case a repeated draw offers, I thought that the rule should evolve from:
"Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly serveral times in a row. Doing so may lead to instantly lose the game, and/or being immediately and permanently banned."
... to ...
"Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly serveral times in a row. Doing so may lead to get a limited access to the server (until to get a response if necessary) then to lose the game, finally to get permanently banned if this behaviour does not stop."
Reason is that it seems not so obvious for certain players to remember all draw offers while playing quite slowly many many games. Also, they may not receive some warning messages.
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-11-29 09:05:22)
Repeated draw offers
Yes, sometimes I avoid offering draw because I can't remember if I haven't already done that.
(thumbs up)
Garvin Gray (2021-11-29 09:20:46)
Repeated draw offers
My first post on this matter already contained a very good solution for this issue that would never result in any bans:
ICCF has a different solution to this matter and I believe it should be incorporated here:
If a player offers a draw in a single game, and that draw offer is declined by the opponent, the server will incapacitate the player's ability to make a second draw offer until at least 10 more moves have been made, with one exception.
If the opponent offers a draw during a player's 10-move count (that is, within 10 moves subsequent to the player's having made a draw offer), then the player's 10-move count is terminated at that time such that the player can again offer a draw with any move. This "10-move" rule does not include claims of a draw related to 3-position repetition, 7-piece tablebase claims, 50-move rule claims, or adjudication-related claims.
Juri Eintalu (2021-11-29 11:09:53)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers
During the epidemics, restrictions and quarantine are traditional and usual measures. If the restrictions are applied, it is natural that the OTB (over-the-board) chess tournaments are cancelled, and the coaches cannot give indoor lessons. However, such restrictions should not be applied to online chess or coaching as there is no such thing as "online coronavirus".
Suppose that wearing the masks reduces the probability of being infected and also the probability of spreading the virus. Then, it seems natural to demand that the OTB chess players should wear masks. Moreover, chess is not wrestling.
One can also plausibly argue that in the case of contacts with other people outside the home, at least one of the measures should be applied: masks, distance, negative result of the test recently made, or vaccination.
The question of vaccines involves scientific, moral, and political aspects. The scientific issues involve the effectiveness of the vaccine and its side effects. How probably the vaccine reduces the rate of infections, and how probably it reduces the rate of deaths among those infected. How severe is the virus, and how often and how serious are the vaccine's adverse effects. Some religious moral systems, in turn, reject vaccines produced in some specific way. International law rejects uninformed non-voluntary human experiments, etc.
Suppose that the aim is to reduce the rate of infections, and the vaccine is highly effective and without serious side effects. Suppose also that we are utilitarians and aim to maximize the wellbeing of society as a whole.
In the case of such presumptions, it seems natural to demand that the chess coaches giving indoor lessons be vaccinated or show the test results, etc. However, it still does not follow that the unvaccinated chess player cannot play online chess or give online lessons — because there is no such thing as "online coronavirus".
Thibault de Vassal: "Fortunately, the context of correspondence chess is not the same as parliaments."
— Yes, but this is precisely the question: what's the difference? Note that one might also argue that unvaccinated chess players should not play online chess, but the unvaccinated selected deputies should have the possibility to give speeches — because they are political representatives of the people.
Juri Eintalu (2021-11-29 11:18:31)
Repeated draw offers
First, what you can do, is to make changes to the server program so that the game log or the notation of the game will show, when and who has made draw offers. Sometimes, when the game is finished, the player later wants to know, when did the opponent offer a draw.
Juri Eintalu (2021-11-29 11:28:45)
Repeated draw offers
The easiest rule is that a player can make maximally three draw offers per game. It is easy to remember that you have made 1, 2, or 3 draw offers. It is easier to program such a rule on the server.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-12-01 02:12:36)
Repeated draw offers
I just updated the process and rules... let's give a try to this new version (without any human intervention on the result of the game):
"Also, no player will make draw offers repeatedly, particularly several times in a row. Doing so may lead to get blocked by your opponents, finally to get a limited access to the server (until to solve the problem)."
It is now possible to report then block draw offers (at least the main message & popup) just like it is possible with private messages in games. Then it shouldn't be annoying anymore.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-02-27 14:00:58)
FICGS support to Ukraine
I must say I'm not used at all to merge politics &/or war to chess... I'm not sure if FICGS should display a ukrainian flag during these obviously very sad times. But I'll do it if the most think it's a good idea. Personally I do support civil people under bombs, probably in all cases.
Also it is quite tough to understand what happens there from 2014 & Minsk agreements... I discussed about it with russians, ukrainians, read many news & fake news, much complexity. I do not think this is the place to discuss about it though, so let's just decide about a way to support or if we should stop players clocks only.
Ilmars Cirulis (2022-02-27 14:03:18)
FICGS support to Ukraine
I'm for supporting Ukraine with some message or at least a flag.
Anything else/more is for anyone to choose personally, but a support message is a must, imho.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-02-27 14:08:41)
FICGS support to Ukraine
As one ukrainian player registered for the FICGS chess championship, I wrote to him to know his views on his own situation. We may also have to decide what to do about this championship in this very particular case (particularly if I do not receive any news).
Bahadir Ozen (2022-02-27 16:34:37)
FICGS support to Ukraine
-1 Messages of love, hope and light can be shared for people in Ukraine. Although the situation seems political, what is happening is happening to humanity...
-2 During this period, the "Special Leave" feature can be given to Ukrainian - resident players.
-3 During this process, the Russian flag may be suspended. (Of course, it is not the fault of the Russian players, but the flag does not comply with the rules of "Gens una Sumus", as it is to represent.
-4 A special tournament can be organized on behalf of Ukraine.
We are going through difficult times. No to war for humanity.
Best regards,
Bahadir
Thibault de Vassal (2022-02-28 01:44:32)
FICGS support to Ukraine
"Support to all people under attack", followed by ukrainian flag on the right side displayed about everywhere on the website. Of course, not only ukrainians can be victims in Ukraine, so it may be more appropriate.
Feel free to suggest any other message...
Piotr Wiaderek (2022-02-28 06:24:31)
FICGS support to Ukraine
on LSS server flags of all players were changed on United Nations flag. Even russian players have this flag. Gens una Sumus. Maybe it is a good solution for these difficult times.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2022-02-28 12:29:24)
FICGS support to Ukraine
Let me explain about the idea of a beneficiary tournament: the entrance fee, will ensure immediate money for refugees. While there could be no prize.
Garvin Gray (2022-02-28 13:06:22)
Ukrainian players clocks during war
I think this issue is one of those higher order issues where the responsibility is on us, or more in particular, the site owner, to protect the interests of the players who country is under attack from war.
I believe the only responsible option is for their clocks to be stopped.
The players should not have to appeal for their clocks to be stopped. Those players may not be aware of this option. And quite frankly, given what is occurring in Ukraine, they should not have to think about, 'oh, I have to contact ficgs to get my clocks stopped'.
Just stop their clocks immediately and then if a Ukrainian player contacts Thibault and says 'I do not live in Ukraine and can continue playing' then their clock can be restarted.
Jan Talek (2022-02-28 19:01:04)
FICGS support to Ukraine
I see there are many different opinions regarding flags. If it is such problematic issue let's remove flags on the website for the time of war.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-02-28 21:22:28)
Ukrainian players clocks during war
Let's do this.
Ukrainian players in activity are now in vacation for 45 days. Of course they still have 45 days of vacation remaining. Even if the war ends shortly, I think this is the least time to recover from such dramatic events. If war should last, then this special vacation could be renewed.
Consequently this topic is closed.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-02-28 21:33:03)
FICGS support to Ukraine
That is a nice idea from LSS server. Though I'm still not sure about what to do on this point.
The idea of a beneficiary tournament remains interesting but is it time for chess games during these trouble times (that might extend to Europe) while there may be other ways to help... I'll think about it further.
I'm also thinking about postponing WCH tournaments, any opinion is welcome.
Patrick DeBonis (2022-03-03 02:54:02)
FICGS support to Ukraine
This reminds me of the 1939 Chess Olympiad in Buenos Aries. In the middle of the tournament, World War II broke out. The participants on both sides managed to put their differences aside and finished the tournament. After the tournament was over, many players from both sides chose to stay in Agrentina and sit out the war. I wish things were that simple today.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-03-07 21:08:28)
HTTPS not available on March 7th
There was a huge issue on FICGS server today, I'm glad to have been able to fix this as it was really tough and unlikely ^^ This is what happens when running an old system with recent modules...
No time was added to clocks as it lasted less than 24 hours (sorry :)), and a few players connect to HTTP (not really secure, particularly if you used the right login field).
I started to work with the most recent Linux system a few weeks ago so I should be ready to migrate FICGS to this new server at some time... There is no urge though, it will be a long and difficult operation.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2022-03-15 10:27:03)
withdraw from waiting list
Dear chess friends,
I'd like to withdraw from a waiting list, but I don't know the procedure.
It's FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_M__000129.
The reason is that the second round of last WCC has started and I need some time of the board as well.
Juri Eintalu (2022-03-21 21:28:38)
FICGS support to Ukraine
I am also against wars, particularly against unjustified wars, and absolutely against war crimes.
Concerning the Ukraine war, I have noticed that the sports regulators, including chess regulators, are inconsistent.
When did they protest against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, sanctioned the sportsmen from the occupying countries?
I suggest punishing those who explicitly approve the war crimes or make hate speeches.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-03-22 21:28:29)
FICGS support to Ukraine
It seems such punishment just happened to GM Sergey Karjakin (after supporting Poutine & Russia in Ukraine's invasion)...
https://twitter.com/SergeyKaryakin/status/1497950920029704195
All I have to say about Iraq war is that France did not participate. That was definitely a good decision from french government, but I guess it was not obvious to make an opinion at this time on US government's statements. It cannot be compared to what happens today.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-03-22 21:32:39)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
This is tough matter anyway... I just wonder what would have happened if Ilyumzhinov was still FIDE president at that time :/ (fortunately he isn't anymore)
Juri Eintalu (2022-03-23 17:34:51)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
The Telegram channel "Chess Patriot" was established on 13 March 2022. FIDE made its complaint about Karjakin to the ethics committee earlier. Probably it was based on Karjakin's two tweets on Twitter, plus Karjakin's public letter to Putin. The complaint was made only 3 days after the Ukraine war started.
After FIDE banned Karjakin for 6 months, he has started to make a war propaganda on his Telegram channel. He asks "reasonable Ukrainians" not to fight and not to defend the Kyiv regime.
Karjakin's Twitter history is fun. After 24. February, several outstanding chess players should be banned as well by FIDE due to the nature of their replies to Karjakin's tweets.
I am sure that FIDE's ethics code did not contain any demand not to support any wars. There is even not any demand not to talk about the ongoing war during the chess competition, etc.
Moreover, this ethics code was applied right before it will be outdated. Since 1 April 2022, that code used to ban Karjakin is not valid anymore.
I am sure that this code was arbitrarily interpreted to ban Karjakin.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-04-26 22:50:40)
Ukrainian players clocks during war
Yes, I made that stupid mistake to mix the 60 days / move & the 100 days max accumulated time in my mind... as a consequence, even that 2nd period of 45 days vacation more for Alexey did not help. As soon as I saw that result, I added some time to his other games. I'm now working on a script that will solve this very special case for our ukrainian friends (because these dramatic circumstances may last), in other words, I'll have to shift the last move time, possibly again & again.
Of course this result will be canceled within hours, by the way I specified in terms & conditions (soon uploaded) that such human intervention like this may only happen in case of war.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-04-27 00:24:31)
Ukrainian players clocks during war
Actually I'm so ashamed to have made such a mistake... at least I can fix it :) ... and fortunately, this game was the only one that Alexey lost on time.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-05-06 16:12:00)
Chess.com blocked in Russia
It seems that the #1 chess website has just been blocked in Russia, probably because of too many messages in favor of Ukraine... about 3.5 million users could be impacted.
Let's hope that other chess websites will not follow this way, isolating more and more our russian chessfriends. I'm just more and more skeptical on how the situation can evolve.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-05-06 16:25:43)
Chess.com blocked in Russia
By the way, I'm still not sure what to think about the exclusion of russian teams (at chess.com) or russian players (even more significant, at Wimbledon e.g.) from certain tournaments... many argue not to melt games & political stuff, but it is probably not as simple as this.
Definitely I'm not in favor to exlude russian players from any competition, BUT if they display their political views in favor of this "special op", just like FIDE did for Sergey Karjakin.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-05-08 02:18:53)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
"A few minutes ago it was announced that the Court of Appeals of the Ethical and Disciplinary Commission (EDC) of the FIDE has rejected the appeal filed by Grand Master Sergey Karjakin against the 6 month disqualification he had been given for having embarrassed the TRUST because of his own Declarations in favor of Russian invasion into Ukraine.
“According to the FIDE Card and the Code of Ethics and Disciplinary FIDE, such a decision can be contested before the Arbitral Court of Sport (CAS) within 21 daysâ€, the sentence reads.
The disqualification, as it is known, will prevent Karjakin from participating in the Madrid nominees Tournament, where he will most likely be replaced by Ding Liren. The Russian player, born in Crimea, said he is considering the possibility of a new International Federation in competition with FIDE."
Thibault de Vassal (2022-05-11 01:02:59)
Carlos Alcaraz y el ajedrez :)
The recent winner of Rio, Barcelona & Madrid Open 2022 talks about his incredible performances at tennis, and how blitz chess helps him...
(spanish language)
https://www.marca.com/tenis/2022/03/07/6225c2c6e2704ed95f8b45cc.html
"P. Uno de los aspectos más desconocidos en usted es que le gusta hacer siesta y el ajedrez antes de los partidos. ¿Me lo puede explicar?
R. Asà es. Me pillaron con la cámara en el Next Gen de Milán y en RÃo también dormÃa porque el descanso es importante y más en una semana tan intensa en la que llovió y se retrasaron los partidos. La recuperación era clave y las siestas antes de los partidos para mà lo son. Y el ajedrez me ayuda porque estás concentrado, la cabeza te funciona...
P. ¿En qué le ayuda concretamente el ajedrez para la práctica del tenis?
R. Me ayuda a estar más rápido mentalmente, a observar jugadas, a ver el movimiento que quieres hacer, la estrategia... A estar concentrado todo el tiempo. En el ajedrez, como el tenis, te despistas un momento y ya se revuelve la partida. En este aspecto son dos disciplinas bastante parecidas."
Thibault de Vassal (2022-05-11 01:41:05)
Carlos Alcaraz y el ajedrez :)
Approximative translation ^^
Q. One of the most unknown aspects of you is that you like to take a nap and play chess before games. Can you explain it to me?
A. That's right. I was caught on camera at the Next Gen in Milan and in Rio I also slept because rest is important and even more so in such an intense week in which it rained and the games were delayed. Recovery was key and naps before games are for me. And chess helps me because you are focused, your head works...
Q. How does chess specifically help you to practice tennis?
A. It helps me to be faster mentally, to observe plays, to see the movement you want to make, the strategy... To be focused all the time. In chess, like tennis, you get lost for a moment and the game is already mixed up. In this aspect they are two quite similar disciplines.
German Denegri (2022-07-09 21:27:21)
Cancel vacations
hello
how can cancel my vacations, i see i dont can move, i did it becouse i had little time in one game....
German Denegri (2022-07-10 21:37:29)
Cancel vacations
yeah, but im little english and didnt check, it and now i have wait 30 days, maybe in future change rules option cancel vacation be nice for all members
Regards.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-07-17 02:22:23)
Unvaccinated correspondence chessplayers
Sorry, I forgot to answer your question:
""Thibault de Vassal: "Fortunately, the context of correspondence chess is not the same as parliaments."
— Yes, but this is precisely the question: what's the difference?""
IMO, difference is firstly motivation (particularly on this topic)... People are not the same in parliaments and in correspondence chess organizations. Usually, they don't want/have to force this or that to other people, in their real life at least... That's what I meant.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-07-17 02:24:11)
Cancel vacations
This is not a simple matter at all actually... cause any player making any move then would provoke changes that are matter to discuss.
Juri Eintalu (2022-07-17 06:30:46)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
Interesting. Russian defence minister Shoigu ordered the Russian army to do everything possible to prevent Ukraine from shelling Donetsk and Luhansk republics.
The next day, Sergey Karyakin appeared in Donetsk's chess club. Karyakin gave a simultaneous chess exhibition in the Donetsk chess club.
Karyakin announces that under the shelling, he understood the following. It is unimportant to have expensive cars, but it is of the utmost importance to stay alive and to have good friends.
On the same day, in the evening, Russia started the heaviest attack on Marinka - the town west of Donetsk, from where Ukraine was shelling Donetsk.
Karyakin invites all chess players to visit Donetsk's wonderful chess club.
No comments.
Christoph Schroeder (2022-07-30 23:20:26)
poker reflection time
A single stage of a poker tournament lasts 3-5 years, as discussed in this thread. Preliminaries and finals combined, we are at 6-10 years per tournament.
Is "last man standing (being alive)" really the guiding principle of these tournaments? And does this annoy nobody?
It is very sad to see that this topic is another example where discussion is encouraged, an obvious solution is possible, but nothing happens.
Herbert Kruse (2022-08-03 05:52:20)
poker reflection time
u get 12 hours per move at first und if its at 5 days left, u get 24 hours, so time is not a problem
Yeturu Aahlad (2022-08-06 08:59:44)
poker reflection time
For me, the length of any game is not (yet) an issue. One way to shorten poker games is to double the blinds faster. A downside to that approach is that it will increase the role of luck in the outcome.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-08 01:16:17)
poker reflection time
FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_01__000016 :
2 years and 10 months
FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_02__000016 :
2 years and 4 months
FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_03__000016 :
2 years and 5 months
FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_01__000015 :
2 years and 11 months
FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_02__000015 :
2 years and 9 months
FICGS__POKER_HOLDEM__WCH_TOURNAMENT_03__000015 :
2 years and 5 months
Well, as the final stage will be statistically shorter than stage 1, a complete cycle should take about 5 years, or almost 6 years.
I still agree that it is very long but I never found or read a solution that does not create a bigger problem... tough :/
Herbert Kruse (2022-08-08 08:46:44)
poker reflection time
do you really think that my solution courses bigger problems
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-11 04:06:49)
poker reflection time
Not really, but it does not bring so much improvement (there will be players whose rhythm will take about the same total time at the end - if I understood well) while it complexifies the understanding of the time added per move, IMHO.
Herbert Kruse (2022-08-13 11:41:31)
poker reflection time
complexity is no problem with poker players, but if u have 5 days left u psychologaly are more in speed modus
i guess 1-2 years shorter is possible
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-15 02:37:37)
poker reflection time
Among those who will have 5 days left regularly, some will lose games on time, that will bring some trouble in ratings (some will consider this is a problem, others not), but yes, that's a possibility, it may shorten tournaments.
Herbert Kruse (2022-08-16 00:03:48)
poker reflection time
ok then, lets do it from now on, before some players lose from death, instead of time
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-16 03:27:42)
poker reflection time
What do you think about simply reducing maximum accumulated time in poker holdem games? From 60 days to... 50 ? 40 ? 30 days?
Yeturu Aahlad (2022-08-16 21:32:54)
respectful legacy
Today, an esteemed opponent, Aleksey Payzansky, a Ukrainian player, resigned all his Poker games against me. I've been wanting to start a discussion here on a FICGS policy of respectful legacy for some time now. What follows is a straw-man to start the discussion.
1. It is reasonable to require a minimum degree of prior participation before this policy applies.
2. Under appropriate circumstances, this policy may be applied retroactively.
3. If we know that a participant has died, it will trigger this policy.
4. If a participant announces that they will no longer participate or suspend their participation for an unknown length of time, it will trigger this policy. (Controversial - this is regardless of their reasons for doing so.)
5. If a participant stops participating for a prescribed length of time without any announcement, it will trigger this policy retroactively from the time the participation stopped. (Controversial - the intent is to give the participant the benefit of doubt.)
When the policy applies,
1. All of the participant's pending games (retroactively if applicable) will be adjudged. A player with a clear lead will be declared the winner. Games which are too close will be either declared a tie or removed from the record with no adjustment of ELO. (Controversial - time on the clock will not be a consideration in the adjudication.)
2. Returning participants will be welcomed. They will retain their ELO, and their degree of prior participation will be reset to zero.
I would be happy to see this policy applied retroactively to Aleksey if that is appropriate.
Herbert Kruse (2022-08-17 07:35:37)
poker reflection time
yes, that would be about the same effect - with 30 days - as my idea
Yeturu Aahlad (2022-08-18 22:12:06)
poker reflection time
Am I misunderstanding the math? I don't think that would make a meaningful difference. Against an opponent playing as slowly as possible, the new rule with 30-day max accumulated time would end the game 30 days sooner.
Herbert Kruse (2022-08-18 22:25:46)
poker reflection time
if you want meaningful, u go with 12 hours per move, but Thib doesnt want this, because of wins by time
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-19 02:51:26)
respectful legacy
Hello Yeturu,
Indeed, Aleksey is the last ukrainian player I didn't succeed to get news from yet (or who did not continue his games since the war started), after several attempts :/ I hope he's ok... The only Aleksey Payzansky on Facebook seems to be ok as of may, 2022 (no update since that time). As rules already specify, if I learn (soon or late) that he died during his games, his rating will be retroactively restored. But games have to end at one time, I guess.
About games where there is a clear lead, I don't think it can be a sufficient reason for adjudications, at least in poker games.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-19 02:55:17)
poker reflection time
"the new rule with 30-day max accumulated time would end the game 30 days sooner" : Statistically, it is quite hard to evaluate IMO... so... maybe.
Anyway, I'll make that change within a few weeks if there is no strong argument against this.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-08-20 18:35:27)
poker reflection time
Well, after some thinking and the help of another player who told me about that discussion, I have to add or specify several points:
- There is a "max time per move" rule (60 days)
- There is a "max accumulated time" rule (100 days: chess, 60 days: poker)
- The "max time per move" shouldn't be less than 45 days, because of the 45 days of vacation (or we should lower this number of days too).
- The "max accumulated time" can be 30 days while we have 45 days of vacation, there is no problem with that.
Nevertheless, it can be observed that players like me, who play about 1 move per day in each game, never reach the max accumulated time and keep the same rhythm all time long, so I'm afraid it will not change the game duration (sometimes about 1000 days) for us at least. And unfortunately, tournaments follow the rhythm of the slowest players.
Anyway, I'm ok to test that change and we'll look at the result after 1 year or so...
Garvin Gray (2022-08-22 03:43:25)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
As I have just attended the in person 2022 ICCF Congress, and only just seen this thread, I will clarify some matters.
It is correct that before the matter of the situation in Ukraine, the ICCF statutes only allowed for a Member Federation to be suspended for financial reasons, and this could only be done at Congress ie by majority vote of the Federations.
Therefore, with the situation in Ukraine, the ICCF EB set up the Online Congress and proposals were arranged to deal with that situation. All proposals were designed only to last until the 2022 Congress in Glasgow ie they would be reviewed at the 2022 Congress and the Member Federations would vote again on whether to keep any sanctions, or not.
At the Extraordinary Congress- The Member Federations decided to vote to suspend both Russia and Belarus Federations, but not the individual players.
First of all, there needed to be a vote to change the Statutes, this is what required the 2/3 vote. And the count for the 2/3's is a simple 2/3 majority- For - Against, abstains don't count.
If abstains were to count, then the term would be an absolute majority. That is not the case here. It is a simple 2/3 majority to change the Statutes.
As is pointed out, 'However, that EC was online.' Hence why the Statues proposals vote was first.
If it did not receive the 2/3 simple majority and the Member Federations did not approve the change to allowing Member Federations to be suspended for non financial reasons, then all the other proposals would be null and void, no further voting would take place on the other proposals and no action could be taken against Russia or Belarus until the 2022 in person Congress in Glasgow.
And at the 2022 Congress, this suspension of the Russian and Belarus Federations were continued until the 2023 ICCF Congress in Amsterdam.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-09-10 15:03:42)
2022 Chess Cup-Group Leader(s)
Indeed, that would be more real time, but I always prefered to start the process by myself to make sure that everything goes ok & to see if there is any anomaly in the results.
Anyway, I could start it more often at least.
Misha Allport (2022-10-03 22:21:52)
Number of moves affect the ratng result?
If it has no effect, then the quality of play by the loser is unimportant. Scholar Mate=120 moves. Is that right?
Patrycja Zerowska (2022-10-06 09:54:59)
Threefold repetition
It seems that there is no way to claim a draw by threefold repetition on this site. In the game 136386, where I have Black, the position that occurred after my 50th move, is the same as that after my 58th move, and will be the same after my intended 60th move, namely 60... Bf7. I therefore claim a draw in this game.
Since apparently there is no "automatic arbiter" to process the claim, I called the "referee" on 1 October 2022 (5 days ago), explaining that I made a draw claim as described above (and mentioning my intended move), but I haven't received a reaction yet.
This particular game has been a dead draw at least since move 35. I offered a draw after my 35th move and on my 59th move. Both offers were declined.
1. Why is there no automatic arbiter which processes draw claims? If I am not mistaken, this site exists more than 15 years already, and yet the Laws of Chess are not yet fully implemented.
2. Why can't I stop my clock when I make such a claim? See art. 9.5 of FIDE's Laws of Chess.
3. Why doesn't the arbiter or the referee stop my clock? Without this, a player making a claim can timeout, or, when she is short on time, may be reluctant to make a draw claim.
4. Why doesn't the referee take action? Is there a referee at all?
In the rules section of this site I read: "Also, there is no way to stop the clocks, players cannot claim that they stopped to play after they called the referee for any reason..." This is a violation of the rules of chess; it implies that on this site it is not chess that is being played, but a weird chess variant. Of course I disagree with this corruption of the playing rules, and so should everyone who call themselves chess players!
Your strange rules also state that the referee will "act as soon as possible", but so far, after five days, no referee has shown up. So you are not even acting in agreement to your own rules.
Finally, I find in your rules the following statement: "All games are played until a player resign, accept draw, or lose on time." This is the most ridiculous "rule" I have ever encountered. Not only renders this farcical rule a win by checkmate illegitimate, it is a blatant ignoring of the Laws of Chess, which allow games to be ended by accepted draw claims, or for any other reason at the discretion of an arbiter.
Scott Ligon (2022-10-07 01:20:05)
Threefold repetition
I don't think you have to claim the draw. When threefold repetition occurs (after you submit your next move), I believe the site software will automatically declare the game a draw. In a recent game of mine, that's what happened. I got the email notification that the game was a draw almost immediately after submitting the move that resulted in the third repetition, too quickly for my opponent to have accepted my draw offer. Maybe the draw offer is necessary for the draw to happen, I don't know about that, but if it automatically recognizes the repetition I see no reason why it would matter whether there was a draw offer.
As for when / if the arbiter should act in positions that seem obviously drawn, I don't know how that's handled and I have nothing to say about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-10-07 02:58:17)
Threefold repetition
Hello Patrycja,
Sorry for the delay, I just saw the email indeed... As Scott says, you have to play the move anyway before to claim a draw (if the site does not recognize it automatically). It seems to me that's how work most chess websites.
1. Why is there no automatic arbiter which processes draw claims? If I am not mistaken, this site exists more than 15 years already, and yet the Laws of Chess are not yet fully implemented.
> The only way to claim a draw after a threefold repetition is to play the move.
2. Why can't I stop my clock when I make such a claim? See art. 9.5 of FIDE's Laws of Chess.
> FICGS offers (mainly) correspondence chess, that is not OTB chess, and some FIDE laws do not apply here.
3. Why doesn't the arbiter or the referee stop my clock? Without this, a player making a claim can timeout, or, when she is short on time, may be reluctant to make a draw claim.
> FICGS is an automatic place, mainly. Games continue even if the referee has to take action later.
4. Why doesn't the referee take action? Is there a referee at all?
> There is one. But he may take some time... the forum & chat are good alternatives to get answers to any question.
Patrycja Zerowska (2022-10-08 00:56:47)
Threefold repetition
Mr. Thbault de Vassal, you say that this case is treated the same way on most chess websites. This is not true. At the ICCF website, which is the standard for correspondence chess, the draw must be claimed (this in agreement with the Laws of Chess):
" ICCF:
9.2.1 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by a player having the move, when the same position for at least the third time (not necessarily by a repetition of moves):
9.2.1.1 is about to appear, declares to the tournament director (or the server) the intention to make this move, or
9.2.1.2 has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.
At other websites, the rule is also correctly applied:
chess-mail.com
"8. To check the draw ( threefold repetition ; the fifty-move rule ) : Click on "Send and offer the draw". "
Gameknot:
"To declare the draw in a game due to the threefold repetition rule, please use "Declare draw" link located directly below the game board."
None of these sites violates the correct rule.
The FICGS way of handling this case involves several violations of the rules. First of all, the draw must be claimed. This rule exists for more than 100 years, and the advent of server chess hasn't changed it. Secondly, you require me to make a move, thereby taking back my claim and my intended move. Every beginner is told that it is forbidden to take back a move, a draw claim or a draw offer. Thirdly, you refuse to stop the clocks, allowing a player to lose on time by your inaction. This "inaction" constitutes interference in the course of the game by a third party, which is forbidden. Fourthly, your bot wants to automatically end the game when there is threefold repetition (or 50-move rule). Again this is forbidden by the rules! A bot can only act upon a claim, and never when there is no claim. With all these violations, we are no longer talking about chess, but about an undesirable chess variant.
It would be so easy to add a button under the chess board, where a player can make a draw claim. Why isn't this done?
You or your referee still hasn't taken action, and a whole week has passed since my claim.
I have always - since 1972 - played according to the rules and I refuse to violate the rules here and now. Therefore I won't make a move; it is forbidden.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-10-09 01:55:57)
Threefold repetition
Oh ok then... Anyway there are indeed several violations of FIDE rules at FICGS. The first one (the 50 moves rule does not apply) because I found it interesting to try it & to make it different when I created the website. It is specified in the terms & conditions (if you read it).
The other ones exist probably because either I didn't care or know, either because it was technically convenient.
Consequently, I agree with you on this point but it works like this for more than 16 years now and I don't aim to change it until FICGS goes into other hands (that will probably happen one day) for many technical reasons.
About your game, you will have to play that move, just like any other player has to do in such situation. This will prove you agreeded the draw.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-10-09 02:06:07)
Threefold repetition
... or you can lose on time or resign &/or cancel your membership, of course.
Ilmars Cirulis (2022-10-09 14:31:17)
Repeated draw offers
What if the warning message (about draw offers too often) told one when the last draw offer were made? That would be much more useful, imho.
Cheers
Patrycja Zerowska (2022-10-13 08:16:44)
Threefold repetition
"... or you can lose on time or resign &/or cancel your membership, of course."
Of course... And then you ask yourself why so many strong players have left your site in the past. The answer should be very clear, not only from this incident, but also from the archived forum posts, which yield plenty of indications.
Stanislas Gounant (2022-11-21 18:00:54)
I did not win a game since 3 years
Cela fait 15 ans que je joue sur ce site, assisté par ordinateur. Il y a 15 ans pour gagner une partie il fallait utiliser plusieurs programmes d'analyse suivant les phases de jeu. Je crois me souvenir que Hiarcs était meilleur en finale que les autres programmes. Il y a quelques années encore, il était possible de trouver des forteresses qui résistaient aux assauts de l'adversaire, même quand mon programme me disait que j'avais perdu. Mais cela fait 3 ans que je n'ai gagné que contre des joueurs qui jouaient sans l'aide de l'ordinateur ou qui se sont trompés de case en jouant leur coup. Ce que j'aimerais c'est qu'une solution soit trouvée pour redonner de l'intérêt au jeu par correspondance.
Scott Ligon (2022-11-22 16:25:45)
I did not win a game since 3 years
Yet another amendment. From the previous post, we can eliminate the FICGS server evaluation and let the first player stipulate which side is playing for the win. If they assign the advantage incorrectly, this only helps their opponent, so the first player has no reason to lie. Example: First player picks the King's Bishop Gambit as the starting position (1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4) but erroneously claims that white has the advantage, so the second player has to choose between playing white for the win or black for the draw. Second player happily chooses to play black for the draw and should have no trouble holding the draw.
Scott Ligon (2022-11-23 21:22:50)
I did not win a game since 3 years
Surely there are some positions where it's difficult to determine, even with engine assistance, whether the position is a game theoretic win or a draw. And then playing that position out would be interesting. That's all my proposed variant would depend on. The first player looks for a position that would be interesting to play, and if they've done their job well, the second player has a difficult task in deciding whether they want to play the side with advantage for a win or the other side for a draw. I think this would work up until the point that chess is actually solved.
The starting position could be as simple as 1. g4 (a terrible first move of course). Maybe black has a forced win and maybe with careful play white can hold the draw. If I did a lot of Stockfish analysis the answer might become clear but with a quick analysis I'm not sure. But if I knew the answer either way for 1. g4, I could always look at other positions. At least this would be a game where the outcome isn't immediately obvious.
Scott Ligon (2022-11-25 16:20:13)
I did not win a game since 3 years
The problem with the two opening you suggested is that they're too good. Neither side made a mistake, so the engines will hold the draw every time (barring human error). The King's Gambit is a step in the right direction for a thematic tournament (with engines), and as long as everyone has an equal number of whites and blacks that's fair enough. I still think it's too easy for white to draw in the KGA with Nf3. The KGA with Bc4 is a bit more treacherous though I've explored it enough to be confident that white holds the draw. Anyway, I do think the openings need to be somewhat dubious or it's too easy for engines to draw.
Scott Ligon (2022-11-25 17:10:39)
I did not win a game since 3 years
What does it even mean to have an advantage? Engine analysis has changed my perspective on this issue. From a human perspective, we can say that white has an advantage at the start of the game, and the statistics support this. At the highest levels of human chess white wins more often than black, but it's more often a draw. So white has a slight advantage.
From the perspective of correspondence chess with modern engines, the advantage is shown to be an illusion. It's just a draw. The engine evaluation at the start might be +0.15 or whatever, but if both sides are using an engine and there's no severe time constraint, it doesn't mean anything. By move 20 or so of a competently played correspondence game the engine analysis will have converged to 0.00 and it will stay there for the rest of the game.
In the final analysis, there's no such thing as a slight advantage. Every position is either a forced checkmate for one side or the other, or it's a draw. Even modern engines haven't pushed things that far, but they're strong enough to obliterate our human concept of an advantage.
Scott Ligon (2022-11-27 22:06:35)
I did not win a game since 3 years
If you mean John Shaw's book on the King's Gambit, I have that book and he did say that the Bishop's Gambit is refuted. But he qualifies what he means: "In this context I define the term 'refutation' as Black being better in all variations, not winning by force." Not much of a refutation. If you search my game history, I have played the Bishop's Gambit several times and I haven't lost. That's why I'm confident white can hold the draw.
I'd be willing to play in that thematic tournament, and I'd be very well prepared.
Thibault de Vassal (2022-11-30 22:12:10)
I did not win a game since 3 years
Of course, it is rarely played (and maybe you count thematic tournaments)... but the aim is to find complex lines that decrease the rate of draws, right?
Ilmars Cirulis (2022-12-03 21:58:05)
I did not win a game since 3 years
Maybe someone wants to play Bishop gambit thematic games/matches? I'm interested.
But not the fast time control... instead at least +1 day/move, if possible. To ensure greater quality of the games. :)
Right now I have almost no e-points, though. If that matters.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-01-02 03:18:49)
poker reflection time
The prize is the one specified in the WCH waiting list page at the time it is awarded... it never changed so far so it will be 100 epoints.
Wow, different matter but I realize I never took the time to made the change discussed before. Thanks for the reminder.
Herbert Kruse (2023-01-02 10:07:04)
poker reflection time
Nov. 12, 2022 was the last game, but still no epoints
Thibault de Vassal (2023-02-05 20:53:53)
Advertising a win or a draw with 7th or
You found the right way (email or any way to contact webmaster)...
As of January 2023, rule is :
"11. 5. Adjudications
In some cases, the game continues but the result is obvious.
If time control is superior to 1 day and if a player doesn't want to resign (or accept draw) and obviously last the game, his opponent may report to referee a first time. If the player takes 30 days more to finish the game, his opponent may call referee another time, then the game will be adjudicated. An analysis submitted by a player should contain sufficient information so that no doubt is possible. This may include a sequence of moves, but in some circumstances it may be sufficient to claim a win or a draw on the basis of material or positional advantage. Final decision belongs to referee."
Thibault de Vassal (2023-03-30 21:52:40)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
Extract from your open letter:
"Second, this decision was discriminatory and selective. For example, US correspondence chess players were not punished for the fact that the US had started wars in Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia.
Well, many can agree that some US representatives should be judged for what looks like obvious lies but isn't it a bit short to compare Russia's war in Ukraine to what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia? (that are quite different cases by the way, involving different groups of countries)
It seems that most russians in Russia still support this war ("special op") while everyone ignored the truth about those weapons in Irak (in example). Any context should be analyzed in depth IMHO. Would you accept to play chess with players from a country that just completely destroyed yours and who think at -randomly- 80% probability that it was a good thing (and incidentally that you are a nazi)?
Here, players from Russia & Belarus can still play chess under a neutral flag partly because I can't filter players geographically (I know russians who left their country because they are against this war) but this remain a complex question that depends on many things.
Juri Eintalu (2023-03-31 09:09:17)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
To Thibault de Vassal:
Thank you for taking a look at my open letter on Medium.
“... isn’t it a bit short to compare Russia’s war in Ukraine to what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia? (that are quite different cases by the way, involving different groups of countries)â€
If country A starts a war against country B, the relevant question is whether that war is justified or unjustified, whether it is a war of aggression or, instead, the attacker has the right to do so.
By now, it is a piece of common knowledge that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were wars of aggression.
Chess organisations FIDE and ICCF have punished Russian chess organisations for the Russian invasion of Ukraine while not punishing the US chess organisations for the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. FIDE and ICCF have not presented any comprehensive analyses about how justified or unjustified some of those wars are. You are turning the burden of proof around and accusing me of not delivering the arguments that FIDE and ICCF had to present.
“It seems that most russians in Russia still support this war (“special opâ€) while everyone ignored the truth about those weapons in Irak (in example). Any context should be analysed in depth IMHO.â€
Excuse me, but I cannot follow what you are trying to say.
You argue that any context should be analysed in-depth, but you fail to hint at why Russia should be punished and the US should not. Your only fact mentioned, “everyone ignored the truth about those weapons in Irakâ€, remains mysterious. I do not understand in what context you are saying this.
We know already for ten years that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.
Concerning your other remarks, I make only one reply. We know that there are saliently some Nazis in Ukraine.
Here, on the chess forum, I technically cannot answer in detail to your several remarks that, in my mind, are all somewhat inexact or vague.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-03-31 16:56:17)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
Hello Juri,
Thanks for taking time to develop...
I agree that justification is the (never easy) key.
After thinking about it, I may also agree that it is possible in a certain measure to compare russians ignorance during Ukraine's war to americans ignorance during Iraq's war. A difference is that Russia's government acts like a dictator (russians are condemned as soon as they show against this war)
I do agree that US should probably be punished for some wars (at least for the the announced reasons and what actually happened - number of civil deaths, etc.), by an International Court of Justice.
On this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War
I quite agree that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were aggressions 'stricto sensu', but...
- I cannot agree that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were similar to what happens in Ukraine. The aim was probably partly oil-related but AFAIK it was not to introduce separatism, it was not to annex territories, it was not to spread a dictatorship, it was not to force people to change their culture & national identity (but yes, this may happen in Ukraine just like it happens in Russia, for the same reasons)...
- Saddam Hussein was a true & violent dictator who was probably a reason enough to move his regime, just like it is the case with talibans, IMHO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
It seems to me that it is very possible to justify to fight &/or to remove some dictatorships.
Russia should obviously be punished for many reasons:
- Annexion of territories (that has no nothing to do with their nazis justifications... their argument is mainly "history").
- Numerous crimes of war (that will be documented)
Finally, there are nazis quite everywhere, even in France. The question is "how many" and what do they do? The Russia's argument does not try to be subtle or precise on this matter, it just looks like "europeans turned nazi cause Europe helps Ukraine", right?
Thibault de Vassal (2023-03-31 20:52:24)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
Few questions more, just curious:
1- Would you like your country (Estonia, I guess) to rejoin Russia's federation (under Putin's regime)?
2- What would you think if russian speaking people in Estonia wanted to cut it in two parts, to make an independant republic that will obviously join Russia's federation?
3- What would you think if Russia's argument to make war to Estonia (destroying many cities) was that there are nazis in Estonia who fight separatists? (I guess that there are nazis in Estonia just like everywhere... and obviously they would be quite happy to fight against separatists)
Juri Eintalu (2023-03-31 21:13:22)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
You are quoting me wrongly. And you are doing it intentionally.
Moreover, I was talking about whether FIDE and ICCF decisions were justified. My argument was that these decisions applied some important principles discriminatively, selectively.
Suddenly, you started to talk about whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified. You also started to talk about war crimes.
Let me remind that the ICCF started a process of banning the Russian team just a few days after the Russian invasion began.Thus, your arguments about what happened months later might be pretty irrelevant.
Let me also remind you that you decided to talk ONLY about Russian war crimes in Ukraine. You dismissed the US war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, the war crimes committed during the Donbas civil war (both Ukraine and the separatists committed war crimes there), and, finally, you also dismissed the war crimes committed by Ukraine in the present war.
And now, before I answered to your mess, you managed to attack me personally.
My answer to your provocative questions is that if the political regime will go absolutely crazy, then I will not defend that regime against anyone. But I still hope that it will not go absolutely crazy.
Anyway, I will not discuss with you anymore, because you are systematically ignoring important relevant facts and you regularly change the context of discussion.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-03-31 22:52:44)
RUSSIA AND BELARUS NOT SUSPENDED?
Sorry if I quoted you wrongly... Could you specify?
Yes, first you were talking about wether FIDE and ICCF decisions were justified, but our discussion went on the global case:
you said (quote):
"If country A starts a war against country B, the relevant question is whether that war is justified or unjustified, whether it is a war of aggression or, instead, the attacker has the right to do so. "
"You argue that any context should be analysed in-depth, but you fail to hint at why Russia should be punished and the US should not."
So let's separate discussions: one is about FIDE/ICCF decisions, the other one is about war & its justifications.
About ICCF, I am not aware of a process to ban the russian team just after the invasion, I'm not sure what it means as well... does this mean that the russian team should have played under a neutral banner (that could be understandable), or does this mean that the whole team (every player) was banned?
I have no problem to talk about US war crimes in these countries... if you read my post again, there is a link to a page that deals with it.
I have no problem to talk about war crimes commited by Ukraine as well. There were war crimes for sure. There are proofs of that.
Questions remain: how many, for what aim... Everything will be analyzed.
My additional questions were not provocative, these are real questions to better understand your point of view. But I did not understand your answer (or you did not answer ?!)
Feel free to continue the discussion, you're welcome.
Pavel Hase (2023-05-23 13:57:57)
Problem players.
Why are players still accepted into tournaments who overwhelmingly fail to finish their games or lose on time? A tady zase jednoho po pár letech vidÃm - stále to samé. Plus nÄ›kolik dalÅ¡Ãch.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-07-27 19:06:48)
FIDE rating change proposal
Maybe you heard about this strange proposal made by a mathematician to make FIDE ratings (<2000) more coherent against some deflation...
http://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-seeks-proposals-rating-changes
http://www.chess.com/news/view/fide-mathematician-proposes-changes-to-improve-rating-accuracy
I'm somewhat doubtful about this idea to change some data rather than the algorithm, what do you think?
Juri Eintalu (2023-08-09 22:29:42)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
I have not made any political posts on the Forum.
Quite to the contrary: I have criticized politicizing sports.
I am shocked by the answers I received from Garvin Gray and Thibault de Vassal. I do not think their comments exemplify a civilized discussion. The problem is that they are not arbitrary chess players but chess organizers. I conclude that rational discussion with those who support politicizing chess is impossible.
I had already forgotten the FICGS server, but now I have received a notification that someone has commented on my old post.
Bogoljub Teverovski announces on 09 August 2023:
"A self-ban of karjakin continues"
No hints have been made about what event he is talking about—no references, links, or explanations.
I can only understand that Bogoljub regards the FIDE ban on Karjakin as a Karjakin's SELF-ban.
Let me add that 1 e2-e4 is the initial move of the Queen's gambit, and 1 Ng1-f3 is the most popular opening in checkers.
I am logging out from the FICGS not to receive any notifications anymore.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-08-10 00:10:24)
FIDE BANS KARJAKIN
Unfortunately, and I find it quite sad myself, everything is politics (at some point at least).
In my opinion, deciding to attack a country, collaterally killing thousands of russian & ukrainian people (to "save" how many? [if it was really the purpose]), while hoping there will not be any other collateral consequences by arguing that sport, trading, culture & so on should not be politicized is surely not realistic. Of course this war was about culture, trading & even sport long time before to bring russian tanks in Ukraine.
The fact that Karjakin is supporting this russian invasion (consequently banning himself) seems very secondary here...
Farewell (or not).
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2023-08-18 14:32:53)
Next thematic tournament
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 h6 5. c3 d6 6. Nbd2 g5
Two knights defence, pianissimo invitation, declined. Played by some top gm's like Caruana. Seems to give white an edge, but is it winning?
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2023-09-02 07:39:02)
Next thematic tournament
Smyslov Nimzo-Indian: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 a5 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Nbxd2 O-O 7. e3 d6 8. Nb1 b6 9. Nc3 Bb7 10. Bd3
The knight manoeuvre on moves 8 and 9 is unexplored.
Vadrya Pokshtya (2023-11-03 07:37:46)
Battle of Kings
As the inventor of many chess variants that can be played on the Internet, I want to share with you a mind-blowing chess variant.
I’m sure you’ve never seen anything like this before, and I’ll say without undue modesty that this is perhaps my best creation.
https://www.chessvariants.com/rules/battle-of-kings-
or more detailed here:
https://www.chess.com/blog/Pokshtya/battle-of-the-kings-is-a-chess-variant-that-drives-you-crazy
Give it a try against a bot (no registration required): https://dagazproject.github.io/checkmate/botk.htm
Feel free to implement it here if you see fit.
Regards,
Vadrya Pokshtya
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-05 06:03:45)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
A PUBLIC APPEAL TO CHESS ORGANISATIONS ON THE BOMBING OF THE GAZA STRIP
Israel’s bombing of the civilians trapped in the Gaza Strip has resulted in a catastrophic number of causalities in a very short time. It may amount to crimes against humanity, war crimes, mass murder, collective punishment or genocide, as noted by the UN and several international independent organisations.
I suggest that international chess organisations like FIDE and ICCF should revoke their sanctions on Russia and Belarus concerning the Russian invasion of Ukraine, or they should impose the same sanctions on Israel.
Independently of the decisions of these international chess organisations, I call individual chess players to refuse to play chess with those players who are using Israel’s flag, etc.
The full text of my appeal can be read here:
https://medium.com/@eintalu/a-public-appeal-to-chess-organisations-on-the-bombing-of-the-gaza-strip-be56afd3f5ca
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-05 18:00:41)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
The following paragraph was added after the publication of the first version of the Public Appeal:
“However, at a non-individual, organisational, official level, the third point above, which calls for public condemnation of Israel’s actions, should be avoided. Notably, the Israeli police have threatened to severely punish anyone who criticises Israel’s current military action in the Gaza Strip. It is unreasonable to formally demand that a sports person should make such a statement, which would result in him being punished by the authorities in his own country.â€
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-14 03:57:14)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Herbert Kruse:
"... our older generations did the holocaust, so for me its never again, so i am with jews always!"
"Holocaust" is the name of a historical event.
"Genocide" is a concept derived from that event.
Shortly after WWII, the first international conventions preventing genocide were adopted.
Today, we have:
Article 6 "Genocide" of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court
https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf
Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention (= Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide)
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf
There is one serious problem that has arisen.
Israel's actions toward the Palestinians, particularly in the Gaza Strip, since October 2023 seem to match the definition of genocide exactly.
Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity were sufficiently proven already in 2014.
https://www.russelltribunalonpalestine.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/TRP-Concl.-Gaza-EN.pdf
Jews are like all the other nations. In Israel, they have their state, government, and so on.
The problem is with the politics of that government, not with Jews.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-15 01:32:18)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Herbert Kruse:
"jews fear for their lifes in germany now"
Collective punishment is banned by the international law.
Collective punishment during war activities is considered a war crime.
Right now, Israel is applying collective punishment towards the Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip.
It was amazingly explicit in the speech of Israel's president.
The current rise of antisemitism outside of Israel is a reaction to Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, but this antisemitism is too collective punishment.
In my Public Appeal, I have explicitly said that in the case of chess sanctions, the Jews should not be targeted. No discrimination is allowed based on nationality.
My Public Appeal addresses only Israel's current administration.
Besides, there are some interesting facts about Jewish great thinkers.
After WWII, Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt published her famous book
"The Roots of Totalitarianism"
The Stalinist regime and the Hitlerian regime were both regarded as totalitarian regimes in that book.
I have read that Arendt had conflicts with ultra-Zionists after WWII.
Albert Einstein wrote a letter on 10 April 1948. It was 1 day after the Deir Yassin massacre, committed by Israel's radical Zionists. Einstein called them "terrorists" and declared that he did not want to see them or talk to them.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-15 21:44:51)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Dear Herbert Kruse
My Public Appeal is about the sports sanctions, particularly about the chess sanctions, in the context of the Ukraine/Russia war and the more recent Israel/Palestine war.
My position is that it is wrong to politicise sports and, therefore, it was wrong to impose chess sanctions on Russia and Ukraine. The chess sanctions imposed on Russia and Ukraine should be lifted.
However, if these sanctions remain in force and politicising sports is regarded as a new normal, I think similar sanctions should be imposed on all countries that have seriously violated the international conventions.
Since October 2023, Israel has committed serious war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip (and elsewhere too).
Therefore, I suggest that if the chess sanctions imposed on Russia and Belarus will not be removed, then similar sanctions should be imposed on Israel.
For example, Israel should be excluded from the International Correspondence Chess Federation membership.
I explained all these points in my Public Appeal.
In your replies, you have actually not addressed my arguments presented in the Public Appeal.
First, you started to talk about the Jews in Germany. But the word "Jew(s)" appeared only once in my Public Appeal - to declare that the sanctions should be imposed on the states or the citizens of states and not based on ethnicity:
"As far as the Jews are concerned, collective punishment must not be applied to them. No one may be accused or discriminated against based on their nationality."
Finally, you started to talk about Israel's right to self-defence. Again, this distorts the content of my Public Appeal. I have nowhere and never denied Israel's right to self-defence. However, from the right to self-defence, it in no way follows that one has a right to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Unnecessarily killing a large number of unarmed civilians is a war crime, and it cannot be justified by referring to self-defence or the war crimes the other side has earlier committed.
Unfortunately, I cannot continue discussing this with you, as you have systematically ignored the content of my Public Appeal.
Herbert Kruse (2023-11-16 08:45:42)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
you ignore, who is victim and who startet it
inhumnan war crimes by Hamas caused this
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-16 23:40:31)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Herbert Kruse:
"you ignore, who is victim and who startet it"
I do not ignore anything, but it is you who ignores everything relevant:
1) You ignore the text of my Public Appeal and the arguments presented there, and I have already said that above.
2) You ignore the definitions of "war crime" and "genocide". Above, I have even inserted some links to international conventions.
3) You ignore my replies. Above, I just explained to you that war crime is a war crime, and genocide is a genocide independently of the previous history. Who started the war or whether the opponent committed some war crimes earlier is irrelevant.
4) You also ignore the history. The Israel/Palestine wars started already in 1948. On 09 April 1948, one radical Zionist group committed a massacre of Palestinians in the village of Deir Yassin.
5) You also ignore the documents concerning the current background. In the United Nations documentation, it is stated that the Gaza Strip is a territory occupied by Israel. There are other such territories. The UN documentation uses the phrase "Israel and occupied Palestinian territories".
"inhumnan war crimes by Hamas caused this"
It is more precise to say that Hamas's attack PROVOKED Israel's reaction.
"Hamas strategy is to hide after civiliens, thats so obvious and you fall for it"
I cannot speak with someone who arbitrarily ascribes to me some thoughts or attitudes I do not have.
The use of human shields by Hamas in no way justifies Israel's current massacres in the Gaza Strip.
Your argument is based on not knowing what is and what is not a war crime and what exactly is written in, e.g., the Genova Convention. It is also based on ignoring the text of my Public Appeal.
I cannot continue the discussion with you because you violate the most basic principles of meaningful discussion.
Herbert Kruse (2023-11-17 05:24:32)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
I wished you Had more emphaty for the victims
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 19:27:42)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
First of all, Russell Tribunal in Palestine was criticized:
"Judge Richard Goldstone, writing in The New York Times in October 2011, said of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine that "It is not a 'tribunal.' The 'evidence' is going to be one-sided and the members of the 'jury' are critics whose harsh views of Israel are well known. In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute."[34]
South African journalist and human rights activist Benjamin Pogrund, now living in Israel, described the Cape Town Session of the Russell Tribunal on Palestine as "It's theatre: the actors know their parts and the result is known before they start. Israel is to be dragged into the mud."[35]
After the Cape Town session, Israeli MK Otniel Schneller filed a complaint with the Knesset's Ethics Committee against MK Hanin Zoabi, who testified at the Tribunal that "Israel is an apartheid state".[36]
A group of Jewish South Africans protested against the court, and the organiser of the protest called it a "Kangaroo Court."[37]
Daniele Archibugi and Alice Pease have argued that it is a rather common practice that those accused of international crimes challenge the impartiality of their accusers. And it may be the case that the organisers of opinion tribunals, as of any other tribunal, might be biased or produce insufficient evidence. But to further develop the rule of law, those which are unsatisfied about the outcomes of these tribunals should be able to produce further evidence and legal arguments rather than unsubstantiated criticism. Legal discourse, they argue, is necessarily based on the opposition of contrasting views.[38] "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Tribunal
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 20:03:54)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Then, it would be difficult not to make differences between Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Hamas... the war between Israel & Hamas is very old, very complex & obviously has no reason to end, while the war between Ukraine & Russia is more recent and there is still some hope that it may come to an end (IMHO).
Several things are quite sure to me:
- Israel made bad things for a while in this region. Hamas is an islamist movement that made bad things as well. Most civilians are probably victims of these systems. Recently, Hamas chose to attack civilians instead of Israel (this is a war crime, no ambiguity there), Israel now does everything to destroy Hamas, making many victims among civilians. But this may not be war crimes according to definition. Nothing obvious there, we'll see.
- Ukraine is attacked mainly because Poutine (at least) argues it historically belongs to Russia with no consideration of its recent history & international treaties (and among other reasons because he obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans). There are few doubts that war crimes have been committed there.
No, definitely the comparison seems not valid and I see no reason why it should lead FIDE, ICCF or any chess/sport organization to consider it.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 20:18:05)
Battle of Kings
Congratulations Vadrya, that is an excellent game! I like it much :) I just beat the bot for the first game, but I felt completely unsecure all the time ^^
Love it...
In my opinion, a strong engine would crush human though ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 20:54:53)
Battle of Kings
About evaluation of positions, the value of pieces is not obvious as well... that's the good point, but still, in such complex games, calculation becomes even more important. I hope to see Alphazero playing this game one day ;)
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-17 21:18:54)
Battle of Kings
I agree.
What were (how many moves approximately) the longest & shortest games you played until there?
Vadrya Pokshtya (2023-11-17 21:36:46)
Battle of Kings
On average, a game lasts 70-80 moves. This is provided that the players understand what they are doing. Otherwise the game may end quickly.
Since, unlike ordinary chess, the board does not become empty as events develop on the board, but on the contrary, the evolution of chess pieces pushes towards the collapse of the entire system, its finitude is obvious. The spawning process cannot last forever - everything is limited by the 8x8 chessboard.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:05:36)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Herbert Kruse:
"I wished you Had more emphaty for the victims"
After all, you are directly insulting and slandering me.
Get lost, Mr Herbert Kruse.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:11:09)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Ilmars Cirulis:
"Both Netanyahu and Hamas should be in prison. :(
Poor civilians on both sides."
I have approximately the same opinion.
However, concerning chess sanctions, we can sanction only Israel.
We cannot impose chess sanctions on Hamas, as Hamas is not a state and it is not represented in the FIDE or ICCF.
We cannot expel Hamas from the ICCF because it has never been there.
My essay was about chess sanctions, not about such things as the International Criminal Court (ICC).
However, if to speak on that issue, my view is that both Hamas and Israel should be prosecuted in the ICCF.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:24:26)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
to Thibault de Vassal:
It is beside the point whether the Russell Tribunal on Palestine was biased or not.
What is essential is that you have said nothing about the facts and statistic presented by that tribunal.
You are talking about the apartheid. But you ignore the context in which I mentioned the Russell Tribunal on Palestine. I was talking about that tribunal because it presented facts, that already in 2014, Israel's actions concerning the Gaza Strip were very close to genocide.
Thus, your remarks concerning the Russell Tribunal on Palestine are beside the point and avoiding the theme.
Moreover, independently of any Russel tribunals, it is evident and clear that there is an apartheid regime in Israel and occupied Palestine territories.
First of all, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are surrounded by a high wall with barbered wire.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-18 03:57:22)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
to Thibault de Vassal:
"Recently, Hamas chose to attack civilians instead of Israel (this is a war crime, no ambiguity there), Israel now does everything to destroy Hamas, making many victims among civilians. But this may not be war crimes according to definition. Nothing obvious there, we'll see."
The 07 October attack is quite recent, and I would not say that all the circumstances are clear. For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians.
The only thing that is sure is that some number of civilians were killed by Hamas. It is sure, because Israel accuses Hamas of killing the civilians, and one of Hamas leaders has publicly admitted, that during that attack, Hamas killed some civilians "accidentally".
Killing civilians may make it a war crime. Intentionally killing civilians may make it an act of terrorism.
After the 07 October attack, Israel has killed awfully many civilians in the Gaza Strip. I totally agree with those experts who say that such a bombing of the sieged territory is not self-defence and it is a war crime - at the very least.
Note that during the 07 October attack, approximately 1200 people were killed, some of them were soldiers, and the others were civilians, many of them unarmed civilians.
Under Israel's bombs, in the Gaza Strip, during one month, more than 10,000 unarmed civilians were killed. Most of them were women and children. And it has not yet ended.
As of now, no one of the participants in the present discussion has said anything at all about the content of my Public Appeal. It seems that no one has even read it, despite I inserted the link into my initial post. I did not try to present the text directly here, on the Forum, as it was perhaps too lengthy for the Forum.
I shall provide the link to my Public Appeal again:
https://medium.com/@eintalu/a-public-appeal-to-chess-organisations-on-the-bombing-of-the-gaza-strip-be56afd3f5ca
Concerning civilian causalities of the Gaza bombing, and the comparison of the Ukraine war and the Israel war, I provided the following information in my Public Appeal:
<International organisations confirm that Israel has managed to kill more children in the Gaza Strip in one month in 2023 than were killed in all the war zones on the planet in the whole of 2022. In fact, significantly more children have been killed by Israeli bombs in one month than in two years of war in Ukraine. See also, e.g.:
“GAZA: 3,195 CHILDREN KILLED IN THREE WEEKS SURPASSES ANNUAL NUMBER OF CHILDREN KILLED IN CONFLICT ZONES SINCE 2019â€
Save the Children, 29 October 2023
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-3195-children-killed-three-weeks-surpasses-annual-number-children-killed-conflict-zones# >
Now, while talking about the attacks on civilians, you (as other participants of the discussion) simply ignore my Public Appeal.
Concerning your political views about the real intentions of Russia when starting a war against Ukraine, what you present dogmatically and without evidence - the only sober reply is that dogmatically and without evidence, one could as well assert whatever about the Israeli real intentions concerning the Gaza war.
However, we have direct evidence from the public speeches of Israel's leadership, that the intentions of the Gaza war are genocidal.
I conclude that you are trying to whitewash Israeli large-scale war crimes and crimes against humanity while ignoring the text of my Public Appeal.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-18 19:42:16)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Juri, when you say << For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. >>, I'm not sure if your topic is determinism or something else but obviously you cannot be sure of anything. Did you watch the videos? Anyway, any army killing or kidnapping civilians is a war crime for sure and that's most probably terrorism in this case.
On Israel response, many experts say different things, so it remains unclear yet to me. (it is important not to listen what one want to hear only)
About your text, you seem to neglict all contextual elements to compare Russia, Thaïland, Congo, North Korea, China or whatever situation in any country... No chess organization reacted much when Peng Shuai (chinese tennis star) disappeared, but tennis world reacted! For Rohingya, Karabakh or about war in Irak or Afghanisatan. How many chess players in these countries? That is not the same. Russia & Ukraine are among the most influential chess nations in the world. Russia is the biggest country, has the most nuclear weapons. That's why it seems pertinent that chess players and organizations take position towards not just peace (undermeaning "do what Russia wants"), but a fair and right peace.
You say : "Concerning your political views about the real intentions of Russia when starting a war against Ukraine, what you present dogmatically and without evidence"
The evidence is in Putin's speeches, "Russia defends its interests", obviously Ukraine (another country for a while) should not be free of his choices, in example to join an alliance to protect itself just like Finland or other countries... Obviously Ukraine is Russia's interest and should not join OTAN. Did ever OTAN attack Russia?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dgy4vYTp_Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxS9YIBeJbY
Watching full speeches is even more instructive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akzr0K0CE0M
Putin's rhetoric remains both crude and manipulative, appealing to people's conservative reflexes. And it works on most people who get outraged at the slightest conspiracy theory, it's no coincidence.
Finally, the argument saying that there shouldn't be politics in chess or sports has no foundations other than a subjective point of view.
You say that these bans by FIDE were out of international laws and that the same restrictions should apply to israeli playesrs... well, so just prove it and make appeal I guess. Karjakin probably thought about that already!?
Meanwhile, these discussions are only point of views.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-19 00:58:48)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
ARGUMENTS CONCERNING THE RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR
None of the commentators explained why it was necessary and reasonable to politicise sports and to impose sanctions on Russia and Belarus. No one answered my corresponding arguments from my Public Appeal. No one explained why the sanctions were imposed on Russia for the invasion of Ukraine, while no sanctions were imposed on the US for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.
HERBERT KRUSE PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING "ARGUMENT":
"like Ukraine Israel had its "Butcha" at the music festival, so who attacked?
and there were constant rockets on Israel from Gaza, should they just allow it?
and the hostiges should just given up?
if my state can not defend me, maybe u can help?!"
This emotional and psychological manipulation completely ignored all my relevant arguments and explanations.
Now, let us take only the first phrase of this mumbo-jumbo:
"like Ukraine Israel had its 'Butcha' at the music festival, so who attacked?"
My Public Appeal was about chess sanctions. Now, the data are as follows:
2022, February 24:
Russia started its invasion of Ukraine
2022, February 27:
An extraordinary meeting of the FIDE Council was held on the current situation and the urgent measures to be taken after the military action launched by Russia in Ukraine.
https://fide.com/news/1603
Thus, it seems that they waited for the beginning of the Russian invasion and had a plan for how to react, as they responded only a few days later.
Israel had occupied Palestinian territories for 55 years, but the chess federation FIDE had never reacted.
2022, March 16:
Russia and Belarus teams suspended from FIDE competitions.
https://fide.com/news/1638
2022, March 30:
Russian troops leave Bucha (near Kyiv).
2022, April 01:
The corpses in Bucha were discovered.
Now, the first obvious problem with Herbert Kruse's "argument" is that the timeline proves that the chess sanctions on Russia were imposed BEFORE the corpses in Bucha were discovered.
The second problem is that he does not know or pretends not to know the definitions of such terms as "war crime".
The third problem is that, as a matter of fact, we do NOT know WHEN these people were executed, and we do NOT know WHO executed them.
It is so because there were actually TWO massacres in Bucha.
The shelling killed some people, "The Guardian" reported. These people were lying on the streets. The satellite images proved that they were killed before the Russian Army left the town.
However, some people were executed in the cellars. Unfortunately, the satellite images cannot prove the time of the executions in the cellars.
There is one additional problem. Ukraine has not made public the names and personal data of the victims. Therefore, we do not even know what percentage of the victims were Ukrainians and what percentage were Russians.
THIBAULT THE VASSAL PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING SEQUENCE OF ARGUMENTS:
"Ukraine is attacked mainly because Poutine (at least) argues it historically belongs to Russia with no consideration of its recent history & international treaties (and among other reasons because he obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans)."
Thibault has no evidence whatsoever for one's claim that Putin "obviously sees nazis in every people open on what a man/woman/family could look like, meaning many europeans & americans)." There is even no evidence to the claim that the Russian administration thinks that the majority of Ukrainians were Nazis. The evidence might be the public speeches of Russian leaders. But I have seen no such speech with such theses. Indeed, Putin has said something else.
I believe that Thibault presents one's prejudices as "obvious facts".
Besides, it has nothing to do with the arguments of my Public Appeal.
"There are few doubts that war crimes have been committed there."
In the Ukraine/Russia war, BOTH sides have committed a lot of war crimes, and it is well documented and proven.
However, the chess sanctions on Russia were not imposed because of the war crimes, as can be seen from the schedule above. The motivation to impose those sanctions was, initially, merely the fact that Russia started a war (not a war crime but a crime against peace).
Moreover, in the Ukraine/Donbas domestic war too, both sides committed war crimes. Ukraine committed crimes against humanity, and there were clear genocidal elements of the behaviour towards the Russian-speaking minority of Ukraine. It is also well-documented and proven. At the beginning of my Public Appeal, I mentioned that Karyakin argued from the premise that Ukrainian ultra-nationalists murdered a lot of Russians in Ukraine.
However, I see that the responses to my Public Appeal have altogether ignored all my arguments, and everyone has preferred to talk about something else.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-19 01:39:29)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Thibault the Vassal:
"Juri, when you say << For example, I am not sure that Hamas "chose" to kill civilians. >>, I'm not sure if your topic is determinism or something else but obviously you cannot be sure of anything. Did you watch the videos? Anyway, any army killing or kidnapping civilians is a war crime for sure and that's most probably terrorism in this case."
I do not understand what you are talking about?
I cannot be sure about the videos because I know that Israel is a liar.
I cannot be sure that it was Hamas as and organization who (intentionally) killed the civilians. Perhaps some members of Hamas enjoyed killing civilians despite the commands of their chiefs.
I cannot be sure that these were members of Hamas who murdered the civilians. Perhaps Israel knew about the attack and these civilians were killed during the attack by, say, the Israeli secret service. Perhaps Netanyahu wanted it to happen to get an excuse to start the carpet bombing of the Gaza Strip.
I cannot be sure that all the civilians killed were killed by Hamas. It is plausible to guess that some civilians were killed by Israeli forces.
After all, I know that earlier, Israel had intentionally killed its own soldiers and its own civilians.
There are or have been such dubious doctrines in the Israel Defence Forces (IDF):
HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
DAHYIA DOCTRINE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
I also know that reportedly here have been some witnesses in Israel, Jews, who have claimed in Israel TV and radio, that they saw that Israeli forces killed civilian hostages and random civilians nearby.
Therefore, I am not in a hurry decide, what actually happened on 07 October 2023.
What I reported above was that I regard it as proven beyond reasonable doubt that Hamas killed some unknown number of civilians.
Finally, Thibault the Vassal, I do not accept your attitude, and particularly I completely condemn the attitude of Herbert Kruse.
Are you both some kind of communists or Stalinists?
It is not a crime not to believe such assertions that have not been sufficiently proven.
If you demand that one must blindly believe whatever propaganda the government or the mainstream media produces, then you are a totalitarianist.
I do not want to talk to such people.
However, now, at least, I know how such people are thinking, who defend absolutely illogical and inconsistent policies.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-19 04:40:50)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Oh well, you surely cannot be sure of anything, but still it seems that you know many things... No, that's not a crime as far as I know. I just wonder what looks like your process to decide what the truth is. Maybe you "make your own researches".
I suggest you to watch the dozens of videos there:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=october+7+hamas
Do you estimate it's all made by an AI? Hollywood? Israel studio? In a single day?
Anyway, your message was heard... If you want to read it, my opinion is that you awkwardly try to bring confusion where there are facts and on the nature of these facts.
Obviously you are not in a hurry to decide what actually happened on 07 October 2023, but you seem in a hurry to appeal chess organizations to treat Israel & Russia in another way than they do. Why not waiting for a few years to be sure?
I do not have to accept your attitude too, by the way. Are you one of these confusionist propagandists? Are you some kind of Qanon or Trumpist?
Finally I do not demand that you believe anything, that would be totalitarist & stupid, indeed. I just give my opinion on your comments as well.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-20 02:21:47)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
"Israeli Security Establishment: Hamas Likely Didn’t Have Advance Knowledge of Nova Festival"
Haaretz, 18 November 2023
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000
"Hamas had not planned to attack music festival, Israeli report says"
Al Jazeera, 18 November 2023
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/18/hamas-had-not-planned-to-attack-israel-music-festival-israeli-report-says
'“An investigation into the incident revealed an [Israeli military] combat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at the terrorists and apparently also hit some of the revelers there,†the Haaretz report cited an unnamed police official as saying.'
The funniest thing is that after Mr Herbert Kruse claimed that I should be in jail for not thinking that the official narrative on the 07 October attack was entirely true and proven - the very next day Israeli newspapers reported that some unspecified number of civilians were killed not by Hamas but by Israeli helicopter.
The sad thing is that the discussion of the 07 October events is absolutely irrelevant to my Public Appeal.
As I have explained above several times.
Suppose that all the 1200 people killed on 07 October were civilians. Suppose that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (I have not checked their background, I heard the name "Hamas" first time in my life on 07 October). Suppose that the 07 attack was a terrorist attack and all the civilians were killed intentionally.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can be inferred concerning my Public Appeal.
I have explained already several times that Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip are in no way justified by 07 October events.
It follows from the international conventions, from the entrenched definitions of "war crime", "genocide", etc.
I have also explained, already in my Public Appeal, that there is no need to impose sports sanctions on Hamas, as Hamas has been announced to be a terrorist organisation by the European Union, shortly after the 07 October events.
Moreover, I have explained above, that one cannot expel Hamas from the chess organisations like FIDE or ICCF, because it has never been there.
I do not want to talk to such demagogues as Herbert Kruse and Thibault de Vassal.
Among other things, both have completely ignored my arguments and the actual text of my Public Appeal.
There is an ongoing genocide in the Gaza Strip. Compared to the enormous crimes of Israel, the scale of killing unarmed civilians, the Russian Chess Federation has been sanctioned for small things, while the current racist, fascist Nazi-Israel has remained untouched, with impunity.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-20 19:39:27)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Juri, you probably spread fake news:
___________________________
Social media users recently circulated video footage they claimed shows an Israeli helicopter killing Israelis at an Oct. 7 concert in Israel.
Stew Peters, a far-right radio host and the filmmaker behind the anti-COVID-19 vaccine films "Died Suddenly" and "Watch the Water," shared the 14-second video clip on X, formerly Twitter.
"VIDEO PROVES and ISRAEL ADMITS it slaughtered its own people on Oct. 7th," Peters wrote Nov. 9. "This attack was NOT made by goat herders on paragliders. Footage from Israeli helicopter shows the IDF killing many people at October 7 concert in Israel. IDF helicopters fired on civilians fleeing the PsyTrance Music Festival."
Other social media users shared Peters’ post, and it was flagged as part of Meta’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram.) We also found this video clip misrepresented on TikTok.
(...)
GeoConfirmed, a group that works to geolocate video footage, analyzed the Israel Defense Forces’ video, and concluded it was not filmed at the site of the Nova music festival.
We found no evidence to support Peters’ claim that the video clip showed Israeli forces killing people at an Oct. 7 concert in Israel. A group that works to geolocate video footage analyzed the Israel Defense Forces’ video and said it was not filmed at the music festival site.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/nov/17/stew-peters/no-this-video-doesnt-show-israeli-military-killing/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UQKWdZRco
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In doubt, such news (probably fake news) have no place here... Thanks in advance.
Now we heard your message (and I did respond to your public appeal), feel free to let chess organizations decide what they have to do, no need to discuss it more here.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-11-20 19:41:39)
Battle of Kings
Thanks for information... I'll probably play it more when I have some time. And I really hope it will be investigated by chess programmers :)
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-23 23:19:53)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Now, a question has been raised about banning Israel from the Olympic Games:
"Should Israel’s Flag Be Raised at the Paris Olympics?"
<be> How the IOC is penalizing Russia provides insight into how it could treat Israel at the 2024 Games.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-russia-paris-olympics/
My position has not been changed because I have not received any reasonable arguments against my views.
I am of the opinion that:
1. Russia was banned from the Paris 2024 Olympics using demagogical arguments. The real reason for the ban was, of course, that in 2022, Russia started a war against Ukraine and annexed some Ukrainian territories starting in 2014.
2. The International Olympic Committee should publicly accept that it was a mistake to politicize sports and it should annul the sanctions imposed on Russia.
3. If the International Olympic Committee does not lift the sanctions imposed on Russia, it should impose the same sanctions on Israel because Israel is very explicitly committing genocide in the Gaza Sector since 07 October 2023.
Timothy Cookson (2023-11-24 01:40:53)
Referee Adjudication
At what point should I ask for an adjudication by tablebase?
Is there a rule for 5-6-7 man syzygy positions? It is a 167DTM position and it does not draw by 50 move rule.
Juri Eintalu (2023-11-25 21:54:54)
A Public Appeal to Chess Organisations
Herbert Kruse:
"now the russian trolls are here too, its sad"
I do not know, perhaps Herbert Kruse kept in mind, for example, the following section from my Public Appeal:
"Suppose it is permissible to obstruct Russian sports persons to get Russia to stop its military aggression against Ukraine. In that case, it must also be permissible to obstruct Israeli sports persons to get Israel to stop its war crimes and to punish the perpetrators."
Or, perhaps the following one:
"However, the civil war in Ukraine, which started in 2014, had killed around 20,000 civilians by 2022. But, by November 2023, the Russian invasion that began in 2022 had already killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers."
You are a moral and intellectual bastard, Mr. Herbert Kruse.
And what if someone says here, on the Forum of the chess platform:
"Now the paedophiles, sodomites and corpse-eaters are here too, its sad."
How would you publicly prove here, on the Forum, that you are not a paedophile, sodomite and corpse-eater?
Timothy Cookson (2023-11-26 00:09:20)
Referee Adjudication
Thank you Thibault!
Garvin Gray (2023-12-02 11:01:06)
Referee Adjudication
And this is a rule that really does need changing. As soon as the 7 man tablebase position has arisen, the player should be able to claim for win or draw and as soon as the result is verified, the game is over.
Allowing the other player to continue playing when the result is clear from the tablebase position is just pointlessly delaying of the game and can lead to claims of dead man defense.
I really do not understand why Thibault sticks with this outdated policy when as soon as the 7 man position arises, the result is clear and the position should be declared as such.
Zbigniew Szczepanski (2023-12-11 11:50:09)
Referee Adjudication
In ICCF and LSS-Server, when 7 figures are reached, the game ends automatically. Some disadvantaged people are just malicious and continue playing the hopeless game. As a rule, these are people who do not know how to play chess, but only use powerful computers to challenge good chess players. They count on a mistake or the death of their rival. It's a waste of time. 99% of players use engines, databases and tables.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-12-15 01:51:10)
Referee Adjudication
Well, I thought that a one month limit for the game to finish could satisfy everyone...
IMO, that's quite strange to end a game when some players do NOT use 7-pieces tablebases and still could make mistakes in a winning or drawish position...
Thibault de Vassal (2024-01-01 01:10:03)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
Hmmm... should be a thematic tournament some time ;) Happy new year Ilmars!
Scott Ligon (2024-01-11 23:22:00)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
I checked the Fried Liver with Stockfish 16, just far enough to convince myself that black can probably hold the draw. I'll post five key lines along with the eval at the end of each line, including the FEN encoding of the position being evaluated. I went through white's options and I see no way for white to improve on these lines, although 6 d4 instead of Nxf7 should also be checked. Anyway here are the line evaluations.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Rd1 b6 23. Bc1 Qe6
r4r2/p1k3p1/1ppbq2p/3n1R2/3P4/P2Q2N1/1P3PPP/2BR2K1 w - -
+ (0.79)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Rd1 b6 23. Qb1 Rfe8
r3r3/p1k3p1/1ppb2qp/3n1R2/3P4/P5N1/1P1B1PPP/1Q1R2K1 w - -
+ (0.80)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Qf3 Rae8
4rr2/ppk3p1/2pb2qp/3n1R2/3P4/P4QN1/1P1B1PPP/R5K1 w - -
+ (0.70)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Ne4 Qg6 14. a3 Bf5 15. Ng3 Bxc2 16. Qf3 Nd3 17. Re2 Ke8
r3kb1r/pp4p1/2p3qp/3np3/2BP4/P2n1QN1/1Pb1RPPP/R1B3K1 w - -
+ (0.63)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qe2 Ke7
r1b2b1r/pp2k1pp/2p2q2/3np3/1nBP4/2N5/PPP1QPPP/R1B2RK1 w - -
+ (0.44)
Scott Ligon (2024-01-13 20:47:35)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
In that case, I don't think white can improve on the following line (depth 49):
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Bb3 Bf5 14. Bd2 a5 15. Nxd5+ Nxd5 16. c4 Nb4 17. Rxe5+ Kd8 18. a3 Nd3 19. Bxa5+ Rxa5 20. Rxa5 Kc7
5b1r/1pk3p1/2p2q1p/R4b2/2PP4/PB1n4/1P3PPP/R2Q2K1 w - -
+ (0.45)
Ilmars Cirulis (2024-02-24 21:47:45)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
Played thematic game with Bahadir Ozen at LSS, added it to Lichess study:
https://lichess.org/study/MYMU6aQ7/dA04utCi
It ended in interesting, imho, draw. :)
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2024-03-16 20:34:57)
message for Thibault regarding...
... the tournament that I withdrawed from.
Dear Thibault,
February 25. I sent you an email that I had accidentally enrolled in two standard class M tournaments, by clicking a second time before the next page loaded.
This night I saw some new games and assumed it was the new WCC cycle. But upon closer inspection, it was the second Class M tournament that I thought I had withrawn from.
Added to the imminent new WCC this will be a bit much. So is it still possible to fix this?
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2024-03-19 17:27:57)
message for Thibault regarding...
No thanks. I will have to take my time then.
Gregory Kohut (2024-05-06 01:38:51)
Big Chess theory?
Does the 3 times repetition rule apply to Big Chess? Does the 50 move rule apply to Big Chess?
Thibault de Vassal (2024-05-31 19:21:52)
Extreme case in a Go game
I couldn't imagine such a case, but it happened:
Two players reached this position, now alternately pass... and one player just asked me to adjudicate the game. It could have been a good joke, but...
Now I just don't know what to do ^^
https://ficgs.com/user_page.php?page=viewer&game=142645&move=413
https://ficgs.com/game_142645.html
Herbert Kruse (2024-07-07 07:35:20)
poker reflection time
I will give Up Poker, because of the Long Time fromm start to end.
Therefore i Go all in every move.
If the time Problem will be solved, i start new
Ilmars Cirulis (2024-07-09 20:13:02)
Big Chess theory?
Big Chess endgames with pawns and knights are from outer space, imho. :) I can't say that I understand them.
Xavier Pichelin (2024-07-12 16:41:35)
poker reflection time
Pour réduire le temps de compétition c'est de augmenter les blind toutes les 30 mains ou 20 mains au lieu de 40 et ensuite toutes les 10 mains...
à un moment donné on serai aubliger de faire tapis quand on arrive à une grosse bind de 32 ou 64 et cela réduit le nombre de mains jouéés donc le temps du tournois diminue forcément.
Thibault de Vassal (2024-07-14 03:15:45)
poker reflection time
We must consider all points here: If games are shorter, ratings will be less accurate. I understand the point, but there is no easy solution.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2024-08-17 09:37:33)
Russian flag replaced
Will other counties' flags also be suspended? I could think of a few other countries that are committing war crimes.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2024-08-17 10:18:34)
Russian flag replaced
I mean, if the west only calls out Russia, then Russia can successfully claim that the west is hypocritical.
Thibault de Vassal (2024-08-31 13:38:04)
Russian flag replaced
@Vjacheslav: sure, done.
@A.T.S.: I agree that other countries flags could be suspended sometime... we'll see.
Garvin Gray (2024-09-19 18:46:57)
Chess Cup-1st Stage
All Groups from Ficgs Cup 6 have finished. Time to Start the final
Garvin Gray (2024-10-04 12:03:02)
Chess Cup-1st Stage
It is genuinely unfortunate that Thibault refuses to update the rules on this playing forum to allow for immediate 7 man claims.
As has been seen here, the final of the Ficgs 6th cup has been delayed by weeks because of this decision.
This can hardly be cause for attracting or keeping players over the long term.
Thibault de Vassal (2024-10-06 00:09:38)
Chess Cup-1st Stage
Sometimes some players want to play the until the very end in quite obvious positions... not exactly a dead man defense (it could last much longer and I would intervene in such case) so I prefer not to adjudicate it.
Finally, the chess cup final stage just started.
Herbert Kruse (2024-10-10 08:28:05)
Next Ficgs World Championship Tournament
its almost time for the next ;)
Stanislas Gounant (2024-11-12 03:28:20)
50 moves rule
OK,n I find it :
"the 50 moves rule is not implemented (it is nonsense at correspondence time controls)"
I am just a sore looser
Garvin Gray (2024-12-07 04:02:25)
New Tie Break System
Currently Ficgs uses TER as its first tie break if two or more players are tied for first in a round robin group.
I have thought for a long time this is rather unfair and gives way too much advantage to the player with the highest rating in the group.
The practical effect of this rule can be thus:
7 players in a group:
The difference in ratings between the players can be less than 100 points and seeds 1 and 2 can be as little as 2 or 2 rating points.
But with using TER as the first tie break, the top seed only needs to have score the same as everyone else to advance, which with engines nowadays, can quite often mean that all games in a group are drawn.
What I propose is to change the tie break system to the following:
1) Number of wins
2) Sonneborn–Berger
3) Direct Encounter
4) TER
A second option is to stop using such small groups where possible. This would then at least increase the likelihood of a positive result in the groups as more games are played.
Thibault de Vassal (2024-12-11 03:09:53)
New Tie Break System
Hi Garvin,
I can only say: Yes, this tie break system is good (probably better even if it remains subjective) & interesting.
But I don't think that changing this rule would be so good, it would lose in coherence & simplicity, and complexify the understanding of past tournaments... So, I'll go to the 2nd option, let's make 9+ players round-robin groups (as far as possible).
Scott Ligon (2025-01-07 20:14:22)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
And then type "quit" to close Stockfish.
If you're trying to run Stockfish from the command line for the first time, it's not very user friendly, but here's a link:
https://official-stockfish.github.io/docs/stockfish-wiki/UCI-&-Commands.html
Scott Ligon (2025-01-17 14:44:57)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
To be clear, I still don't know if it can be beaten at 10 million nodes. Someone might eventually find a line with white that beats Stockfish 17 at these settings. But the longer the experiment goes without anyone finding such a line, the more confident I will be that it can't be beaten.
Here is a line that beats Stockfish 17 at 5 million nodes.
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Nd5 Nxd5 8. exd5 Nb8 9. a4 Be7 10. Bd2 O-O 11. a5 f5 12. Be2 Bd7 13. O-O Be8 14. Ra2 h6 15. Kh1 Bg5 16. Be1 a6 17. Na3 Nd7 18. Nc4 Qc7 19. Bb4 Nc5 20. Ra3 Bb5 21. Nb6 Rad8 22. c4 Be8 23. Be1 Nd7 24. Nxd7 Qxd7 25. b4 Rc8 26. f3 Bh5 27. Bf2 e4 28. c5 dxc5 29. Bxc5 Rfe8 30. d6 Kh8 31. f4 Bxe2 32. Qxe2 Bf6 33. Qh5 Rf8 34. Rd1 Kh7 35. Rg3 Bd8 36. Rd5 Rf6 37. Qd1 Rf7 38. Re3 g5 39. Qh5 gxf4 40. Re1 e3 41. Rf1 Rf8 42. Rd4 Bf6 43. Rdxf4 Bg5 44. R4f3 Qf7 45. Qxf7+ Rxf7 46. Bxe3 Bxe3 47. Rxe3 Kg7 48. g3 Rc4 49. Rf4 Rc1+ 50. Kg2 Rd1 51. Re7 Rd2+ 52. Rf2 Rxd6 53. Rxf7+ Kxf7 54. Rxf5+ Kg6 55. Rc5 Rd2+ 56. Kf3 Rb2 57. Rc4
Scott Ligon (2025-02-17 02:42:51)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
Or if you just want to see what would have happened if you had played 52. Nxa8, we can analyze the game here. My impression during the game was that we were headed for a draw but I can take a closer look.
Scott Ligon (2025-03-04 16:30:48)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
So the current state of the experiment is that white can defeat the 10 million node strategy, and so far I haven't seen a way for white to win against the 15 million node strategy. Somebody might find a win for white, it just hasn't happened yet.
I already mentioned that if this strategy leads me to a losing position and I notice this in time, I will intervene and stop playing the strategy to try to avoid losing. I will add another exception. If I reach a position that is winning or close to it, I will intervene to try to play for the win, because of course these fixed node strategies don't always find the best move. This has already happened in at least one of my games but I wanted to make my policy clear. I'm using a deterministic strategy as a sort of autopilot mode, but if I get close to winning or losing, I'll turn off the autopilot. This is rare though. Most of the time neither side gets a decisive advantage and I'll stay on autopilot and the game will end in a draw.
Ulises Pineda (2025-03-20 00:31:48)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
Hello, I was a Rybka Forum moderator for several years, as Uly/Vytron, and the person with most games at their Correspondence Chess section.
I've been amassing a great deal of chess analysis since 2007 in Bookup files (later named Chess Openings Wizard files) so I have all the analysis that was posted on the forum.
It was able to hold up for years, until Sotckfish NNUE appeared, that was the software that obsoleted the analysis, as so many moves were misevaluated (it said white had a big advantage when it was the opposite, and vice versa) and Stockfish NNUE was providing, at low depth, moves that were refuting entire variations and trees.
It was at that point I realized I had more than a decade of useless analysis, and it's not just the Fried Liver, it happened in all of chess. In all the positions I analyzed for my games.
Which means any recovered analysis from rybkaforum would be garbage, since I do have it but had to start new trees from scratch because nothing worthwhile could be recovered from the old ones, and it was more trouble than it was worth, Stockfish NNUE would produce variations that from scratch would be more useful to generate than wasting time refuting the old lines.
At the end of the day, getting unpublished was a fortune because people will not waste time looking at those obsolete lines.
Thibault de Vassal (2025-03-27 23:35:56)
The future of cheating over the board?
"Scientists create sound that can curve through a crowd and reach just one person
Engineers at Penn State have introduced a breakthrough audio system called “audible enclaves†that can send sound directly to one person without anyone else hearing it—and all without the use of headphones.
The system relies on ultrasound waves, which travel silently through the air. When two beams with slightly different frequencies cross paths, they generate an audible tone right at that meeting point, allowing only the intended recipient to hear the message.
Even more impressive, the sound can curve around obstacles to reach its target. In initial tests, it worked effectively up to three feet away. This innovation opens the door for private audio experiences in shared spaces and better control of sound in noisy environments, though it's not yet ready for commercial use."
(Source: Facebook)
Ulises Pineda (2025-03-29 17:10:11)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
What I don't get is, what are your other opponents doing? I mean, it took some time, but at all points I had a line that I knew would beat the 10 million strategy if they were followed through, this is an opportunity to always get ponder hits because one always knows what move will be played in all positions.
Are those people aware that the fixed node strategy will lead to a draw, and they play it anyway? That's too weird to me.
I'm confident in a future game against the 15 million node strategy I would find another such line and play it out, just to retire it, but I wouldn't make any moves in the game until I had it, I don't know what those players that know all moves played would lead to a draw are doing.
Scott Ligon (2025-03-29 18:03:58)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
I think there's a decent chance that the 15 million node strategy is unbeatable, but I can't say what that chance is. Maybe I overestimate it. I have spent considerable time looking for a winning line for white and I haven't been able to find one. But, I had that same opinion about the 10 million node strategy before I found evidence in my games that it loses. Specifically games in the Sicilian. I haven't found any other winning lines for white.
As for my opponents, I think mostly they enter tournaments and play their usual game. I'm just another opponent. My focus is on the experiment I'm running, but I wouldn't assume everyone else is focused on it. But if anyone cares to prove that the 15 million node strategy is beatable, exploitive play is clearly the way to go about it. This most recent game shows that even a move that fails to give white an objective advantage could still merit consideration as a possible exploit against the fixed node strategy.
Scott Ligon (2025-03-29 18:24:32)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
Stockfish 17 at high depth is just too good though. Your best chance to defeat me is that I make a mistake entering the move. I try to be careful, but on a long enough time scale it's inevitable. Some combination of bored and tired or a misclick, I don't know what, but human error is the most likely answer to that question.
Ulises Pineda (2025-04-23 14:49:42)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
I'll request that if you ever play against me, jump at least to Stockfish 17.1 @ 20 million nodes, because a doubling of nodes is some 50 elo boost to the model, so a lot of games can be saved by increasing the nodes, as finding a winning line against such a thing isn't more difficult in reality, it just takes more time, so I guess those people don't think winning a game is worth the extra time used, or maybe they really don't know how, but if someone offered a million dollars for the line I'm sure they'd sit down and find it.
It's a matter of strength, someone with Stockfish 20 could find the line with a relative ease, and I don't think it'll play a perfect game already either, the blind spots just switch places.
Scott Ligon (2025-04-23 15:21:53)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
My goal is to find the minimal setting where Stockfish can't be beaten, or close to the minimal setting anyway. The title of the thread shows my point of view on this issue. I think currently available versions of Stockfish with relatively modest computing power are already good enough to be unbeatable, regardless of how much money an opponent is being offered or how many supercomputers and grandmasters they have at their disposal when devising a strategy. From the starting position of a game of chess, it simply isn't that hard for modern engines to hold the draw with black. The draw rate on this very site is evidence.
I could make the task easier by generating a small opening book to keep Stockfish out of trouble in the opening, so in the case of Stockfish 17 @ 15 million nodes it might be good enough to simply dictate that it play e5 in response to e4 (I don't know if that specific example is true but it might be - I never found any trouble spots for that strategy with black outside of the Sicilian). But I want to do this with no opening book and also no access to endgame tablebases, just the engine's recommendation using a set number of nodes for the search. The settings I've tried so far fell short, but I think they weren't far off, so I'm taking only small steps forward. Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes seems like a good next step to me. If somebody finds a winning line against it, then I'll take the next step, either increasing the node count or if enough time has passed I'll move on to the next version of Stockfish.
Ulises Pineda (2025-04-24 16:20:25)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
I'm going to find a winning line against it, and then I'm going to find a win against your next step, and then I'm going to find another one against the next one, so skipping steps are a way to save time.
Remember I never made a move in our games until I had found the line, I only played it out, I'm still surprised you haven't dedicated the time to find it as if you were your own opponent, unless I'm the only person in the world that knows how to find such lines.
By using Stockfish 17.1 @ 20 million of nodes you would get it retired by me already, I don't understand why you'd want me to retire 10 million or 15 million first, because this has never been about the number of nodes, this is about telling me how you're going to pick your moves so I can find a line that would make your method make a game losing blunder.
Remember you sent me a message thinking 10 million nodes would play just fine right before I made a move that would make it blunder, what I don't know is why didn't you see the move before I played it, or from the distance, and that it surprised you, have people really forgotten how to analyze games? If you build a big tree of moves and replies to them, it's going to contain a line that beats Stockfish at fixed nodes, it'll take me about 24 hours to find the one against Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes, and about 48 hours to find one against Stockfish 17.1 @ 20 million nodes, the difference is we'll save the amount of games we have to face each other.
Scott Ligon (2025-04-24 16:36:24)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
Yeah you found a line that beat the 10 million node strategy which I hadn't analyzed. Congratulations! I'm not interested in arguing with you about the next strategy I choose to play. You might find a winning line against Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes, or maybe I'll find it first, or somebody else will. Or maybe nobody will find it because it doesn't exist (this is the possibility you completely discount). I've got nothing more to say to you and I can't imagine how many stupid fights you probably pick with people for no good reason in your day to day life, but your attitude is hilarious.
Scott Ligon (2025-05-01 04:14:23)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
After the harsh words of my previous post, I must now give Pineda some credit. He did exactly what he said he was going to do against Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes so now I can't use that strategy in any of my future games, it is retired. Since none of my opponents in the games I have running now with this strategy are playing the same opening that Pineda used (the Italian Game), I can post a winning line for white immediately. Our game followed the first 43 moves of this line, and as black I had to deviate from this strategy on move 43 to avoid certain defeat. So here is a winning line for white against Stockfish 17.1 @ 10 million nodes. At the end of the line, Stockfish found mate in 22.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. c3 a6 6. O-O d6 7. a4 O-O 8. b4 Ba7 9. Re1 Ne7 10. Nbd2 Be6 11. Bxe6 fxe6 12. Ra2 Ng6 13. h3 Qe8 14. Nf1 h6 15. N1h2 a5 16. b5 Bc5 17. Bd2 Rd8 18. Qb3 Qf7 19. g3 d5 20. Kg2 b6 21. Bc1 Rc8 22. exd5 Nxd5 23. h4 Bd6 24. h5 Nge7 25. Nxe5 Qxh5 26. Nef3 c5 27. c4 Nb4 28. Rd2 Ng6 29. Qd1 Nf4+ 30. Kh1 Rcd8 31. Re3 Qh3 32. Ne1 Ng6 33. Qe2 Ne7 34. Nf3 Bxg3 35. fxg3 Nf5 36. Qf2 Nxg3+ 37. Kg1 Nf5 38. Bb2 Rf7 39. Bc3 Nxe3 40. Qxe3 Qg3+ 41. Kh1 Qh3 42. Qe4 Qf5 43. Qxf5 exf5 44. Ne5 Rf6 45. Nhf3 g5 46. d4 cxd4 47. Rxd4 Rfd6 48. Rxd6 Rxd6 49. Bxb4 Rd1+ 50. Kg2 axb4 51. c5 b3 52. Nc4 bxc5 53. b6 g4 54. b7 gxf3+ 55. Kxf3
Ulises Pineda (2025-06-22 13:45:25)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
Harsh words? I took that as a compliment. Getting some credit was a life changer.
I forgot to explain the joke I made when I played 62.Ba3 and said "That must be a new record"; in all our previous games I played into a position where the script was about to play a losing move you had to avoid, in this game I did it twice.
Ulises Pineda (2025-07-08 07:43:23)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
I thought it was clever of me to retire scripts on demand, but I realized I've been a fool after spending the last week being unable to find a win against the 50 million question and wondering what would I achieve after finding such a line, raising it to 100 million? 200 million?
I stand corrected and the other opponents have it right, I finally get why they don't even bother, so I'm retiring from finding lines that refute the nodes, and it's my first time since this all started where I'll be playing my moves without a winning line on my hand.
Scott Ligon (2025-07-08 12:59:43)
Stockfish unbeatable at modest settings?
You might still find a winning line as the game progresses. But if you think you have better things to do with your time than trying to refute these strategies, I won't disagree. And you're right, if you refute 17.1 @ 50 million nodes, I'll just double the node count next time.
The whole point of the exercise from my point of view is to find an unbeatable deterministic strategy, keeping node count to a minimum. With Stockfish 17.1, 20 million nodes didn't get the job done and 50 million might, I just don't know yet. Either way, I'm confident that unbeatable configurations exist, and I don't think they're far off if I haven't found one already.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2025-08-01 09:13:35)
50 moves rule
it's not important anymore. In this wch game the site doesn't recognize checkmate: 147445
Ulises Pineda (2025-08-05 01:14:13)
Cheating / Forfeiting
I've seen many games recently where the games are lost on time in equal positions, by players that let their clock run until they have 0 days and then play from the increment. But they seem random, so not sure.
Sergei Orlov (2025-08-07 17:21:03)
Изменение учетной запиÑи
I sent an email on 08/25/2018 to info@ficgs.com There is no reaction yet. Here is the text of the letter - Good afternoon! Please change the account name - Sergey Orlov to Vladimir Orlov. Sincerely, Vladimir
P.S. I registered my son, but he has never played on the site.
George Jempty (2025-10-05 14:58:16)
Cheating / Forfeiting
@Unlise Pineda, I do not think those situations are random. Because last one month, at least once, I had 3 or 4 games by "different" players, that have been doing so (letting their time run down to around one day or less) when I got all of their moves within 5 or 10 minutes of one another, very strange.
George Jempty (2025-10-05 21:02:56)
Cheating / Forfeiting
The only explanation I can think of is that they are all friends/family and can only access the internet every so often, and do so at the same time. But that seems pretty far-fetched
George Jempty (2025-10-07 17:15:16)
Next thematic tournament
Yeah probably too tame for correspondence, interestingly I do intend to play 4.f3 for the most part, but I came up with the 4.Bf4 idea when investgating the Leningrad variation. After 4.Bg5 c5 now 5.d5?! which had been the standard is considered sub-optimal by the engine which prefers 5.e3, and after 5...h6, I concluded that White didn't have to play 6.Bxf6 or 6.Bh4, which is when I started investigating 4.Bf4. I actually may start playing this in FIDE tournaments where I will probably be much lower rated, exactly to get into such a tame line
George Jempty (2025-10-07 17:28:05)
Banning players who forfeit too much
Can't we do something about this problem? I now stand to lose rating points by drawing against a serial forfeiter who now continues to play against me after their rating went down over 125 points, and mine has gone up as much. I entered the tournament figuring however that I would gain rating points, except my rating in the meantime has gone up around 125 points. THIS IS UNFAIR. I propose that anybody that forfeits more than one game in a month, that they get banned.
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2025-10-08 11:44:36)
Next thematic tournament
In the Leningrad 5.d5 is indeed suboptimal, but the lichess engine prefers 5.Nf3. After 5.e3 black has a combination with 5...Qa5 6.Ne2 Ne4 7.Qd3 cxd4 8.exd4 Nxf2 9.Kxf2 Qxg5
Thibault de Vassal (2025-10-21 17:27:39)
DNS failure last week
Hello everyone...
Finally FICGS is back!
Noone should have lost any game on time, I added about 7 days to all players expected to move, and 2 days to their opponents (time for new DNS to spread all over the internet)
I still have no idea why previous DNS ns.ficgs.com didn't work anymore, but well, I had to change it after having solved another (bigger) issue with the server provider.
Sorry all for the inconvenience...
Bahadir Ozen (2025-10-22 10:43:40)
DNS failure last week
Hello Thibault,
Thank you for your efforts. Let's hope this problem doesn't happen again. We love FICGS and have a great time. Thank you, and I wish you success.
Garvin Gray (2025-10-27 14:15:04)
Russian flag replaced
Before you take any action, you should actually check your facts regarding Israel. I really hate discussing this topic, but since now the site owner is considering taking similar against those who display the Israel flag as those who were from Russia and Belarus, it is extremely important to remember how we got here in both situations.
With Russia and Belarus, it was because they started a war of aggression on another correspondence chess federation.
And all sporting bodies took swift action against them in suspending their Federations and preventing their teams from competing, and players from competing and their own flag.
With the situation between Hamas/Hezbollah and Isreal, it was Hamas that was the aggressor. There was no war on July 6, 2023 and Gaza was in a state of peace. But then Hamas attacked Isreal, chopping the heads of babies and taking hostages and raping Israeli women hostages.
What did you expect the Isreali Government to do in response? Sit back and let a terrorist organisation keep the hostages and are you saying that Isreal does not have a right to defend itself?
It is quite disgusting that there are wars all over the world at the moment, about 20 at the moment, but it is only when Jews defend themselves that people feel the need to virtue signal their sense of outrage.
The correct word for them is anti-semites. We used to say 'Never again' after the Holocaust, but it now seem perfectly acceptable to support a terrorist organisation when it attacks Israel and Israel responds by trying to eliminate the threat once and for all.
And it should also be noted as we saw over a week ago. A sixth peace offer was made and Hamas responded like all the others. With more aggression.
Decide to take action against Israel on this site and you prove your antisemitism.
Thibault de Vassal (2025-10-27 18:41:02)
Russian flag replaced
I don't intend to remake the whole debate here or anywhere else... I have other things to do. But in brief, IMO:
1. The situation was complex before oct.8
2. Hamas (terrorist org) started it.
3. More than 75% (!) of Gaza buildings were destroyed.
4. How many people killed, how many terrorists?
5. What are the limits of acceptability?
It seems possible to commit war crimes and/or a genocide after being attacked, right?
There can be absolutely no link between estimating that Israel commits a genocide and proving antisemitism, right?
There are other wars in the world, that's right (of different natures).
I'm not in a hurry to take any action... it will take time yet.
Scott Ligon (2025-10-31 00:49:54)
a 2300-player tried the Budapest
I don't know if you're talking about the Budapest in the context of correspondence games, but it's playable for black, just barely. I don't think it loses by force. I have played it several times on this site.
Ilmars Cirulis (2025-10-31 13:37:01)
a 2300-player tried the Budapest
Dutch is okay (very playable, imo) and interesting. :)
George Jempty (2025-11-04 14:06:45)
a 2300-player tried the Budapest
Yes, Dutch is OK, but 2.Nh3!? is a challenge, and I've won at least one game on this server with that. But the Benoni and Budapest are significantly worse IMO. Like I say a 2300-player tried the Budapest against me and I have something like a +2.5 advantage (according to SF17) at move 23. Yes, he was not at all careful and definitely made a couple of very bad decisions. Interestingly, I see the average ELO he face is 1900, so I think his rating is really inflated and he doesn't do so well against stronger players, whereas I'm currently at 2175, and the average ELO I face is 2100. I try to "play up" for the strongest competition, rather than "play down" to pump up my rating.
George Jempty (2025-11-08 12:11:03)
Clarification of Rating Groups
Hello Garvin Gray, there is a similar rule if you are within 50 points of the floor of the next higher group, and "the field has gotten to the last two entries", and you pay 10 e-points.
I think this policy helps fill up hard to fill groups, like standard-M. Nobody has joined the new/empty rating list for that group in the meantime.
On a personal note, my future rating just since the last update earlier this week, has even gone up over 20 points and now stands at 2199, AND I have a clearly winning position (+3.0 per SF 17) against a 2300.
IMO I am clearly worthy of standard-M, and am not making a mockery of anything.
Ulises Pineda (2025-11-10 17:06:10)
a 2300-player tried the Budapest
Because the optimal defenses by black are so boring! And they don't offer any counter-play, specially against lower-rated opponents that could easily draw as white with those. In uncommon variations they have to think, and that's the only chance they slip.
There's also the aspect of overconfidence, chess engines have gotten so strong one thinks they can defend anything. That was a mistake I made last time I played a Benoni and lost, I thought I played the strongest defense, who knows if my opponent could also have defeated someone else in the same line, but it was a problem of evaluation, not depth, the engine was showing 1.0 scores for positions that were lost, and they were so complicated I couldn't keep up. Near the end my opponent wasn't even playing the moves I predicted and cut the game like a knife through butter.
But I'll always rather lose a game like that than playing the same boring defense that draws against anything but it's a snore fest, apparently I could just play moves from 300 million nodes blindly and draw anyway.
So I continue to play dubious lines and appreciate opponents that deviate from the norm to spice things up, I could easily be over 2300 at the cost of boring games, but I'll be getting there soon anyway and finally find out how people on that tier play against me, since I've never been able to join tournaments of that caliber.
Ulises Pineda (2025-11-10 17:23:03)
Clarification of Rating Groups
Yeah, I'd just want the same chances since I'm at 2274 and would like to join tournaments a tier up, but I don't see any "pay 10 E-points to join". I could claim that I've drawn +2300 players many times and "worthy of" being with the higher ups, or whatever it takes, but the purpose would be defeated if I get to face the same people I'm facing now because the +2300 tournaments would be full of 2250+ rated players.
Bahadir Ozen (2025-11-11 10:46:11)
Increasing the Number of Games in Progre
Hello,
First of all, I'd like to thank Mr. Thibault for his efforts. We can play regularly for free. FICGS and LSS are my favorite correspondence chess sites.
Is there a possibility of increasing the maximum number of matches from 50 in the future? For example, 200 matches at a time.
Players who forfeit too many matches will be penalized; perhaps such a system could be implemented. I'm just curious; is it possible?
Regards
Bahadir
Ulises Pineda (2025-11-11 23:02:26)
Increasing the Number of Games in Progre
What about penalizing players that forfeit too many matches by disallowing them to start new games for a month, or something like that? Other kind of penalties would be problematic because they'd depend on how many games are already running, but a time out for forfeiting games seems reasonable.
Thibault de Vassal (2025-11-12 15:16:04)
Increasing the Number of Games in Progre
Hello Bahadir and Ulises,
That's an old debate... unfortunately I had to add this rule to protect other players from these too numerous unfinished games. Penalizing was not really useful as most of forfeiting players do not come back again. It works fine since that time, even if it can be a bit frustrating. In my opinion this is a good & efficient rule.
Thibault de Vassal (2025-11-12 15:24:31)
Russian flag replaced
As for me, I don't trust in testimonies, I trust consensus & serious proofs. Nowadays, war crimes are documented. I'm not in a hurry, let's wait & see.
George Jempty (2025-11-12 16:06:48)
a 2300-player tried the Budapest
I guess for me it's kind of personal because I played the Budapest on and off for decades, even beat an IM with it in a simul, but eventually became convinced it was borderline unsound. I think you can get interesting games without playing *too* unsoundly, for instance as Black I play the Siesta
George Jempty (2025-11-17 23:47:07)
Clarification of Rating Groups
There is no favoritism in my case, the rule ALSO states if your rating is within 50 points of the higher group, that waiting list has at least 5 entries already, and you pay 10 epoints, you can enter. Perhaps those last qualifications have been amended since last time knew of the rule? I've just brought up my ratings to defend against that I'm making a mockery of this rule. So no favoritism, no mockery, and I'm done with this discussion altogether,
George Jempty (2025-11-17 23:52:51)
Russian flag replaced
Exactly, that was merely "anecotal evidence" of one Ukranian happy becoming Russian. IMO and most of the non-Russian world, INVADING the Ukraine was utterly reprehensible, as is the Israel INDISPUTABLY committing genocide in the Ukraine, AND the USA sinking ships and killing people WITH NO DUE CAUSE in the Carribean. I'd happily change my flag to somewhere I'm from, does Long Island have a flag? Because I may be from the United States, but I am NOT from North America ;)
Garvin Gray (2025-11-18 02:55:42)
Clarification of Rating Groups
It is really annoying when the site owner does not bother to clarify this issue and instead leaves it to the players to have to dig through the rules themselves to sort out this issue.
Tickets for a higher class tournament :
However, when you win a rated tournament (only after that you receive an email specifying it or when the tournaments list shows your name as winner or co-winner of the tournament) or if your rating is at most 50 points below the low rating limit of the next class tournament's waiting list, it is now possible to buy a ticket for the next class tournament's waiting list (for example if you win a chess class A tournament, you may ask for a ticket for the next class M tournament) for 10 Epoints if the following conditions are filled : 1) No more than 2 players obtained the best score in the tournament. There's no winner otherwise. 2) The player's TER must not be more than 200 points below the low rating limit of the tournament's waiting list. 3) At most 2 players may buy a ticket to enter the same waiting list. 4) Five players at least must have entered the tournament's waiting list already so that you can buy a ticket for this tournament. 5) The possibility to buy a ticket is valid after the official end of the tournament [when the tournaments list shows winners, not leaders of the tournament]. 6) As the price for any ticket is 10 Epoints, the player's account must be credited of at least 10 Epoints.
Garvin Gray (2025-11-18 02:57:20)
Clarification of Rating Groups
So, based on this, each time I have tried to enter a higher rated tournament and received a message saying, you are outside the rating range, this has been false.
The rules of this site have actually allowed me a method of getting in, but that automated message has not been updated.
That is extremely poor and has now left a very sour taste in my mouth.
Ulises Pineda (2025-11-18 10:33:59)
Clarification of Rating Groups
I demand a button that buys a ticket automatically when a player is elegible for playing a higher rated tournament and the Epoints to pay it are available, because right now, I have no idea how to do such a feat, in that case, Jempty outsmarted us all, unironically.
Not that my demands have any weight, I think people's lives have gotten better since they ignored me, and perhaps it'd be better for everyone if these rules remained hidden and nobody ever used them again (except Jempty would continue to play a tier up when able), but it's worth a try.
I don't have a bad taste but this has caused me physical pain in the lower back part of my head, is it stressful?
It's nothing personal against George, it's just that climbing the rating ladder is one of the most difficult tasks one can do in life, so when one sees a 2400 player, one respects them, because of all the time and effort they had to put to get there, which, for all players below that tier is immeasurable, if we could measure it we could have that rating too.
But someone getting there by buying tickets that allowed them to face higher rated opposition and take shortcuts to avoid dealing with lower rated players does cheapen the meaning of the number.
I guess it's all about the money, pay to win iff someone buys the Epoints for this reason, and holds a higher rating to skip a tier (note I said iff, not if, not accusing anybody of doing that.)
It's like buying a car instead of running the marathon, and the rating doesn't actually reflect chess skill anymore.
Bahadir Ozen (2025-11-19 08:46:16)
Clarification of Rating Groups
Mr. Ulises Pineda,
Of course, you're valuable. The time you spend, your actions, and your interaction enrich both me, the players, and the site. Thank you for your efforts.
It's clear that each site has its own infrastructure and process. Yes, we play on a different site, and there can be conditional moves there. But FICGS's games also go to the Corr Database, and they're respected. We can say it's a proven platform.
You're right about the ticket issue being annoying. In that case, the paying player has a slightly greater advantage.
I agree with you in the long run, but the person who keeps the site "usable" also puts in the effort. Perhaps a different update on this rule will be forthcoming.
Yeturu Aahlad (2025-11-25 23:27:25)
Poker ELO
Proposal: re-examine Poker ELO
Why? ELO is a heuristic designed for full information games involving no element of chance. In that space, it has stood the test of time. For games incorporating an element of chance, such as Poker, it is not ideal. As a data point, my evidence from FICGS is that a Poker player who goes all-in on every hand converges to an ELO of slightly over 2000. My last observation is from a long time ago, and one of these players (the much better one) has abandoned this strategy since then. There are many earnest players who deserve to out-rank such a simplistic strategy but don't.
Action: This subject has been studied, and the emerging recommendation is a simple change to the heuristic for games which incorporate elements of chance.
Research: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZXdehn029SaV6a5mxsn7WAMsxYNZPGHzZHKiBbeaxrw/edit?usp=sharing
George Jempty (2025-12-02 14:11:33)
An indication for draw offers
I sometimes make draw offers up to 3 at a time, once or twice a month.
Sometimes they decline OFC, and it's hard to keep track. Some sort of indication would be appreciated.
Perhaps it could be as simple as inserting {draw offer: declined} into the PGN
Scott Ligon (2025-12-04 18:31:57)
Too many groups for tourneys
I agree, though I may be biased. My rating has never been high enough to get into the 2400+ tourneys, and currently isn't high enough for 2350+, unless maybe I could get a ticket once it fills up most of the way, or however that works. Seems like there just aren't enough active players at those rating levels. Interestingly, I noticed that two of the four players currently signed up for the 2400+ Rapid have never played a game on this site.
I wonder if there were more players a long time ago when the current tournament structures were set up, so those tourneys were getting filled regularly. But over the past few years the fields have thinned.
Garvin Gray (2025-12-09 18:40:17)
Too many groups for tourneys
The issue is not so much with rating bands, it is difference in ratings of the groups.
400 points in the groups is ridiculous. A 2500 player is not going to be the first to join a group when they know that a 2150 can also join that same group.
But once again, just like a lot of issues on this site, I have brought these issues to Thibault attention, some changes have been made, but the main issue of what you see now still remains.
Just like the rest of the issues that have been discussed, if Thibault does not agree, discussing the issue is a waste of your time.
George Jempty (2025-12-09 18:49:13)
Too many groups for tourneys
a) I agree about the rating bands and b) I wouldn't be so harsh about Thib, he maintains this site by himself
Garvin Gray (2025-12-10 02:03:16)
An indication for draw offers
Sorry, deja vu again.
ICCF already handles this topic.
A player can only offer one draw every ten moves in a game, unless their opponent offers a draw in return.
I have suggested this to Thibault previously and whilst he was receptive, it was not implemented.
This solution would stop repetitive draw offers, either intentional or accidental (and accidental can happen with no equal sign applied to a draw offer in the notation) and also everyone would know when they last offered a draw in each game.
George Jempty (2025-12-10 21:02:50)
Too many groups for tourneys
Well then there is the implementing of those decisions as well, and I have 25 years experience as a web developer, and have offered my assistance lately, but nothing has come of it. I think the decisions themselves are however Thib's purview
Thibault de Vassal (2026-01-23 12:08:41)
Ghost player
Most probably he connected on Jan 18 and never disconnected since that time.
Garvin Gray (2026-01-28 17:36:07)
Too many groups for tourneys
Time to wind the clock back quite a few years. What I suggested as a solution to this issue was that the rating bands for the class tourneys and the rapid tourneys should have rating bands of 200 point differences, but they be at a different cut off.
What this meant in practice is.
Class tournaments
2600 +
2599 - 2400
2399 - 2200
2199 - 2000
1999 - 1800
and so forth
And then the rapids would be
2500 +
2499 - 2300
2299 - 2100
2099 - 1900
1899 - 1700
and so forth
I think after quite a bit of discussion, Thibault decided that this idea was either too much effort, or that the rating bands I was proposing was too restrictive.
I think the evidence over the years has proven my conclusions more correct.
Players do not enter the rating band tournaments when there is a 400 point difference. These events only get filled by players who have a ticket from a lower tourney win, or they buy their way in by being less than 50 points in.
But, to beat the drum again. If Thibault is not on board, it does not happen.
And at this point in time, I am more concerned with fixing the 5 player round robin WCH group issue.
Thibault de Vassal (2026-01-29 02:00:04)
Too many groups for tourneys
Changing rating bands is not a big effort (at all), but it would ruin coherence of each category... and we should change it again if the number of players evolve again. That's quite like suddenly playing best of 2 and only 1 serve at Roland Garros. Why tennis does not evolve (while it is seriously concurrenced by Padel) more? Quite the same reasons IMHO.
Well, FICGS is not Roland Garros... of course, but I already made too many mistakes that ruined coherence there and there, with not so good consequences.
Thibault de Vassal (2026-01-31 22:56:08)
Poker ELO
Hello Yeturu & very sorry, for some reason I completely overlooked that post.
Of course I agree that ELO is not ideal for poker, I quickly changed some parameters to make it a bit more stable.
There are many many ways to do it different & probably better, particularly when not only H2H is played, but the idea was to do it looking like chess, so this is just a choice among many others.
Reaching elo 2000 with constant all-in does not shock me much as players under this rating probably do not play as many as hands (it takes time & many games to gain points)...
Garvin Gray (2026-02-13 02:36:18)
Is rating just a number on this site?
I am taking this comment from the chat to this forum for further discussion.
In my opinion, this statement is false. On this site, your rating is not just a number. Your rating dictates which tournaments you can enter and most importantly, when you enter a class/rapid group tournament, or a wch tournament, your rating dictates your chances of success.
Example: If you have made it through to the round robin final and you are the seventh seed, this means generally there is about 50 rating points between the top seed and the bottom seed.
But with TER being used as the first tie break, if you are the bottom seed, you have to win the group outright. Any ties and you are done. And so forth if you are the sixth player by rating for anyone higher.
The top seed in that group, who could only be the top seed by 1 or 2 points, in effect gets draw odds against the field. That is such an enormous advantage that it can not be understated how much of an advantage it is.
I think it is now so clear that your rating on this site is not just a number. It dictates everything about your playing experience. From which tournaments you can enter, to how you progress in the wch cycle and if you can get tickets to higher level tournaments.
Ulises Pineda (2026-02-21 04:30:18)
Post-tickets FICGS
Nobody has joined the FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_M__000182 waiting list or the FICGS__CHESS__RAPID_A__000321 waiting list. Everything feels emptier and the guy that has bought the most tickets on the site is going to let all his games run out of time...
What have you done?
Thibault de Vassal (2026-02-27 15:19:43)
Post-tickets FICGS
Now 3 players in the rapid M, 2 in the rapid A... but the main point remains, it takes too long to fill waiting lists.
The short answer to "What have you done?" may be: FICGS did not evolve these last 10 years. But I'm not sure it's so simple. I'll write the long answer soon.
Thibault de Vassal (2026-03-13 23:17:02)
Post-tickets FICGS
The long answer:
FICGS story is a quite simple & classic one, the reasons why it's declining are quite obvious, and unfortunately the solutions aren't. A bit of story:
1. Luckily, FICGS.com was created when there were a demand, just after IECG stopped... It grew very quickly, and I was in a rush to code it (FICGS was the very first dynamic website I ran from A to Z), there were ideas from everywhere. FICGS.com was the shortest domain name available, but not a so good one. Quite hard to remember, hard to tell, not clear for search engines (unlike chess.com which is a perfect one). Maybe it was a mistake to choose it, I can't tell. Either it meant "Free Internet Chess Games Server" or "Free Internet Correspondence Games Server", so I added another game, Go (Weiqi), to FICGS, which is a quite heavy decision: After that, FICGS is not only a chess server anymore.
2. A few years after, there are several thousands players (a few hundreds active). The number of new players slowly decreases month after month but a few sponsors come. Obviously, the way I coded FICGS made it more and more difficult to fully update from a PHP version to another one, or to change it in deep. Even now, I'm not sure to regret it though cause I couldn't have done it differently, so it is what it is. At this time, chess.com was less interesting than FICGS (my taste), but success is already here thanks to a perfect marketing formula: best domain name & pay for options. On the contrary, I chose to keep FICGS completely free.
3. Chess engines explode, correspondence chess continues its evolution (human's thinking decreases in moves decision), finally I add another game that is in a hype: poker texas holdem. New sponsors come, I still play correspondence chess myself but now I play another game even more: Google. FICGS also extends this way and it works in some ways. At its peak, FICGS is about the 32,000th most visited website worldwide. But the number of players continues to decrease, Android & phones started to change the landscape already. Chess.com released its app and added probably its best feature: a quick Stockfish analysis with evaluation & explanation for each move (which is excellent for blitz games but quite a non-sense for a correspondence chess website).
4. The number of players suddenly declines very quickly, I react by creating FICGS apps for Android, a dozen apps... On some apps, you can play against the machine, virtual opponents, chess 960, blindfold & so on. But the way to maintain it is not easy at all for many reasons, but the main one is that Google (Playstore) constantly change technical things & rules. After a few years, I even have to completely remake it, losing what was acquired. And some apps still fail to re-appear at Playstore, that's why I just made the APK files available to direct download. But these applications confirm something clear: blitz is more fun and attracts much more players. Changing rating ranges for correspondence chess tournaments or championships formats won't be a solution for this.
5. FICGS is now 20 years old! Internet completely changed over the years but it survived longer than Messenger, Skype & many other great services. If you look at many websites, new versions of their modern interfaces are often worst (bugs or options) than previous ones. FICGS was never perfect, maybe even clear, but at least it remained coherent. Now Google (just like all major services) is mainly governed by AI, sponsors left - that does not change anything, FICGS will continue to run. I created other websites, but none so far successfully helped in a way or another to solve the problem we encounter here: how to increase the number of correspondence chess, Go or poker players again? If FICGS becomes a pure correspondence chess site again with a brand new interface, I'm quite sure that wouldn't change anything or almost. I might be wrong of course, but according to me, this is a deep problem, connected to society evolutions, computers, phones, our attention, time, even health & so on... In my personal case, I wish to play correspondence chess again, but still cannot find the time to do it. Finally I have no idea what internet will look like within 5 years, but FICGS will be there. Maybe an AI will find a solution soon ^^ Meanwhile, I received many ideas to improve FICGS and I have to thank you very much for this. Few ideas were released for reasons I explained here (but new ones are always wecome), I hope you'll better understand it by reading this.
Have good games & take care!
Herbert Kruse (2026-04-24 14:42:48)
Call referee about game ...
if i lose on time until an answer, have i lost?
Herbert Kruse (2026-05-12 10:26:52)
Call referee about game ...
Game 149456, request from Herbert Kruse
it has been a month now, since:
12.04.2026, 06:04 Uhr
Game 149456, request from Herbert Kruse
I Claim win, after 4 Pass
Thibault de Vassal (2026-05-18 16:07:40)
Call referee about game ...
I see every call... There is no need to act in most cases, that's why I take some time (added to the 1 month rule when the game is decided) to answer.
Garvin Gray (2026-05-20 05:01:42)
Call referee about game ...
Well. In the two cases mentioned above, it seems that both Herbert and I believe that there was at least a need to reply and a decision to be made.
And in our opinion, the worst decision was to 'go silent'.
If we take a similar situation in otb chess, and I imagine the same would be for go as well.
In an otb chess tournament, a player has an issue in their game, stops the clock and either raises their hand or comes over to the arbiters table to get their attention.
The arbiter would then come to the board and issue a ruling. Yes, sometimes their ruling would be to take no action, but at least the player knows that the arbiter has heard their asking for a ruling and the game proceeds.
In the two cases shown above, it seems that Herbert and I believe that we has occurred is that you have not even bothered to attend to our issue at all.
And that has left us dis-satisfied to the point where we are now having to raise it as a forum topic for everyone else to see.
Thibault de Vassal (2026-05-25 14:21:01)
Call referee about game ...
Rule 11.5 says: "Finally, if players do not agree the result, please let the clock run out of time, a referee will confirm or correct the result later."
So yes, I can set the clocks fairly to fix a situation... It happened in some cases and it will happen again.
Maybe I should add such an example in the rules to reassure.
Ulises Pineda (2026-05-28 09:30:16)
Berlin Defense
OTB I like the Schliemann Defense against the Spanish, after 3...f5 black is completely fine and there's no winning line for white, but there are two other things. First, you can feel it in the air, Ruy Lopez players have spent a great deal of time studying it and they want to prove their superior knowledge aiming for lines where they win if black plays a small inaccuracy, which happens often and that's why they like playing it.
You take that away which is a psychological victory.
Second, they have two options, either they play fast and will most likely abandon the advantage because white needs accurate play to keep her edge, or they will sit to think on the best continuation, but after the position settles down it's equal and you come up with a huge advantage on the clock.
My favorite line is when you have your queen on d4 and they play Nxg6 because they're used to positions where capturing back allows white's queen to capture the rook on h8, only to find out they can't do that because it's protected by the queen! So they have to play Qxg6+ but after covering or moving the king black is already better!
It's as if I saw the Spanish die before my eyes like that, even if my wins are mostly on the clock, it has forced players to avoid playing it against me, because it's easier to go into some g3 and Bb2 stuff and beat me from there than figuring out how to play against 3...f5.
My only lament is its name, it would be so cool if it was the Schliemann Gambit, or Schliemann Counter-Attack or something that gives it justice.
George Jempty (2026-05-28 12:36:54)
Berlin Defense
I used to play the Deferred Schliemann. I used to steer for a line in which the analog without 3...a6 had been played as Black by Lasker, a line involving ...Bd6. I tried it in a US Correspondence championship qualifying round in the 90s but didn't play accurately at all in the opening after that, this was a no-engines tournament (well it was the 90s anyway). But the game score made it's way into chessbase, and a Norwegian IM drew GM Sax with the line in 2005. So I was influencing theory way before the centaur/correspondence era ;) Also, in any case, I've been drawn to ...f5 lines for quite a while, I used to play the Latvian when I was a teenager, but now I've settled on the Modern Steinitz, with it's possibility for the Siesta, but I think overall is more sound than other lines involving ...f5, but still with plenty of winning chances; e.g. the Noah's Ark trap. As Black I play for a win, as White I try not to lose LOL
George Jempty (2026-05-31 13:18:33)
Cheating / Forfeiting
Thib, you said you'd look into LAST OCTOBER. In the meantime, Paul Guralivu has provided even more evidence as outlined above. I think you have everything you need to make a decision, without me emailing you. Thanks though.
Ulises Pineda (2026-06-01 03:15:35)
Cheating / Forfeiting
Let me play devil's advocate here: It makes sense that all these players take a vacation at the same time if they're from the same family, presumably the family goes together on vacation and are expected to come back together as well.
What shouldn't be allowed is if they play each other and let the game run out of time to give the win to one of them, that's not random, but I haven't seen that happening, anyway.
There are 9244 results for IM in wikichess.
Thibault de Vassal (2522)
d4
Queen's Pawn Game refer to any chess opening which starts with 1.d4, the second most popular opening move, but is now usually used to describe openings where White opens with 1.d4 but does not follow through with an early pawn advance to c4. Some of these openings have individual names as well.
In the 1800s and early 1900s, 1.e4 was by far the most common opening move by White, while the different openings starting with 1.d4 were considered somewhat unusual and therefore classed together as "Queen's Pawn Game".
As the merits of 1.d4 started to be explored it was the Queen's Gambit which was played most often; more popular than all other 1.d4 openings combined. The term "Queen's Pawn Game" was then narrowed down to any opening with 1.d4 which was not a Queen's Gambit. Eventually, through the efforts of the hypermodernists, the various Indian Defences, such as the King's Indian, Nimzo-Indian and Queen's Indian, became more popular, and as these openings were named, the term "Queen's Pawn Game" narrowed further.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 58%
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Thibault de Vassal (2522)
e4 c5
The Sicilian Defence is a chess opening which begins with 1.e4 c5
This is the most popular response to 1.e4 at the master level. Black immediately fights for the centre, but by attacking from the c-file (instead of mirroring White's move) he creates an asymmetrical position that leads to complicated situations. Typically, White has the initiative on the kingside while Black obtains counterplay on the queenside, particularly on the c-file after the exchange of Black's c-pawn for White's d-pawn.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%
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Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 c5 Nf3
The main line, which leads to all popular variants such as Najdorf, Dragon, Sveshnikov, Scheveningen, Richter-Rauzer... The aim is to support d4 pawn advance as a third move. After 3. ... cxd4 white could play 4.Nxd4, giving a good square to the knight and avoiding to the queen to be exposed too early at the center of the board.
According to Chessbase, 2.Nf3 is played at nearly 85% cases, giving 57% white chances.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3
King's knight opening is prefered at 90% cases.
The knight simply attacks black's e5 pawn, that is not protected yet and controls d4 and e5 squares.
By far the most played continuation is the King's Pawn Game 2...Nc6, and it is sub-divided into many familiar opening names like Ruy Lopez. Petrov's Defense, 2...Nf6, and the Philidor Defense, 2...d6, are also familiar opening names.
Some less familiar continuations of the King's Knight Opening include:
- Gunderam Defense 2...Qe7
- Greco Defense 2...Qf6
- Damiano Defense 2...f6 ?
- Elephant Gambit 2...d5
- Latvian Gambit 2...f5
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 58%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 f4
King's gambit was the most popular opening in the 19th century. White offers a pawn to divert Black's e-pawn and build a full center with d2-d4. In order to hold the extra pawn, Black will have to spend time weakening his kingside with moves like g7-g5. It is now rarely seen at the master level, it being generally thought that Black can obtain a reasonable position either by giving back the gambitted pawn at a later time or holding on to it and consolidating defensively.
Black must decide whether or not to accept the gambit. Since White cannot easily regain the pawn if Black accepts, the King's Gambit Accepted is the most common.
According to Chessbase and correspondence chess statistics, white chances are about 54%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6
Petrov's Defence (sometimes spelled Petroff's) has a long history, it was first popularized by Alexander Petrov — a Russian chess player of the mid-19th century. In recognition of the early investigations by the Russian masters Petrov and Carl Jaenisch, this opening is called the Russian Game in some countries.
The Petrov has a reputation of being dull and uninspired. However, it offers attacking opportunities for both sides, and many lines are quite sharp. Often a trade occurs, and black after gaining a tempo (or unit of time) gains a well placed knight. Pillsbury's game in 1896 against Emmanuel Lasker testifies to this. The Black counterattack in the center also avoids the Ruy Lopez and Giuoco Piano.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 41%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5
The Ruy Lopez, generally called the Spanish Game outside of English speaking countries, is named after the 16th century Spanish priest Rúy López de Segura. He made a systematic study of this and other openings in the 150-page book on chess Libro del Ajedrez written in 1561 (which also included some more esoteric and what some would consider unfair suggestions, such as setting up the board so the sun shines in one's opponent's eyes).
However, although it is named after him, this particular opening was known earlier; it is included in the Göttingen manuscript, which dates from 1490. Popular use of the Ruy Lopez opening did not develop, however, until the mid-1800s when Jaenisch, a Russian theoretician, "rediscovered" its potential.
The opening is still in active use as the double king's pawn opening most commonly used in master play; it has been adopted by almost all players at some point in their careers and many play it from both the white and black sides.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 58%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6
Indian defences are characterized by the opening moves 1. d4 Nf6, although they can be reached by other move orders. These defences have a vast body of theory and have been employed by nearly all masters since the early twentieth century. They are all to varying degrees hypermodern defences, where Black invites White to establish an imposing presence in the centre with the plan of drawing it out, undermining it, and destroying it.
The Indian defences are considered more ambitious and double-edged than the symmetrical reply 1 ... d5. In the Queen's Gambit Declined, Black accepts a cramped, passive position with the plan of gradually equalizing and obtaining counterplay. In contrast, breaking symmetry on move one leads to rapid combat in the centre, where Black can obtain counterplay without necessarily equalizing first.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 d5 c4
The Queen's Gambit is one of the oldest known chess openings, as Lucena wrote about it in 1497 and it is mentioned in an earlier manuscript in Göttingen. During the early period of modern chess queen pawn openings were not in fashion, and the Queen's Gambit did not become common until the 1873 tournament in Vienna.
As Steinitz and Tarrasch developed chess theory and increased the appreciation of positional play, the Queen's Gambit grew more popular. It reached its peak popularity in the 1920s and 1930s, and was played in 32 out of 34 games in the 1934 World Chess Championship.
Since then Black has increasingly moved away from symmetrical openings, tending to use the Indian defences to combat queen pawn openings. The Queen's Gambit is still frequently played, however, and it remains an important part of many grandmasters' opening repertoires.
With 2.c4, White threatens to exchange a wing pawn (the c-pawn) for a center pawn (Black's d-pawn) and dominate the center with e2-e4. This is not a true gambit since if Black accepts the pawn he cannot expect to keep it.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Sebastien Marez (2377)
d4 d5 c4 c6
The Slav is one of the primary defenses to the Queen's Gambit. Although it was analyzed as early as 1590, it wasn't until the 1920s that it started to be explored extensively. Many masters of Slavic descent helped develop the theory of this opening, including Alapin, Alekhine, Bogoljubov, and Vidmar.
The Slav received an exhaustive test during the two Alekhine–Euwe World Championship matches in 1935 and 1937. Played by 11 of the first 13 world champions, this defense was particularly favored by Euwe, Botvinnik, and Smyslov. More recently the Slav has been adopted by Anand, Ivanchuk, Lautier, Short, and other top grandmasters. Today the theory of the Slav is very extensive and well developed.
Black faces three major problems in many variations of the Queen's Gambit Declined (QGD).
- Development of the Black queen bishop is difficult, as it is often blocked by ...e6.
- The pawn structure offers White targets, especially the possibility of a minority attack on the queenside in the Exchange variation of the QGD.
- White often plays Bg5 to pin the black king knight on f6 against the black queen, and unpinning it is awkward for Black.
The Slav addresses all of these problems. Black's queen bishop is unblocked, the pawn structure remains balanced, and the move Bg5 is not yet threatening as the unmoved black pawn on e7 prevents the pin. Also, if Black later takes the gambit pawn with ...dxc4, the support provided by the pawn on c6 allows ...b5 which may threaten to keep the gambit pawn or to drive away a white piece that has captured it, gaining Black a tempo for queenside expansion.
On the other side, Black usually won't be able to develop the queen bishop without first giving up the center with ...dxc4, and moving this bishop may leave the Black queenside weak. White will try to dominate the center with e2-e4.
According to Chessbase, Black chances are about 43%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Sebastien Marez
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 f4 exf4
The acceptation of the king's gambit seems to be the best move. It is now rarely seen at the master level, it being generally thought that Black can obtain a reasonable position either by giving back the gambitted pawn at a later time or holding on to it and consolidating defensively.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 51%
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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2522)
e4 e6
The French defence has a reputation for solidity and resilience, though it can result in a somewhat cramped game for Black in the early stages. Black often gains counterattacking possibilities on the queenside while White tends to concentrate on the kingside.
The defence is named after a match played by correspondence between the cities of London and Paris in 1834 (although earlier examples of games with the opening do exist). In the early 20th century, Géza Maróczy was perhaps the first world-class player to make it his primary weapon against 1.e4. It is currently Black's third most popular reply to 1.e4, behind only 1...c5 and 1...e5. Players including Viktor Korchnoi, Mikhail Botvinnik, Wolfgang Uhlmann and Nigel Short have been particularly fond of it. More recently, the defence has featured strongly in the opening repertoires of Evgeny Bareev, Alexander Khalifman, Alexander Morozevich, and Teimour Radjabov.
According to chessbase, black chances are about 43%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Toncho Tenev
Tryfon Gavriel (2164)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4
By far the most popular move, in order to take the control of the d4-square.
The change in pawn structure after cxd4 has a profound effect on the plans for both sides. Black in the Siclian defence will often aim to exploit the semi-open c file.
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Contributors : Julien Coll, Tryfon Gavriel
Benjamin Block (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6
simultaneously, it develops the knight and threatens the e-pawn.
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Contributors : Julien Coll, Benjamin Block
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
c4
The English Opening is the fourth most popular opening move in chess. White begins the fight for the center by staking a claim to the d5 square. Common responses are 1...e5 (which can lead to positions similar to the Sicilian Defence but with opposite colors), 1...c5 (the Symmetrical Variation), and 1...Nf6. Also perfectly playable are 1...e6 (often leading to a Queen's Gambit Declined after 2.d4 d5) and 1...c6 (often leading to a Slav Defence after 2.d4 d5, a Caro-Kann Defence after 2.e4 d5, or a Reti Opening after 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3).
The English is a very flexible opening. Although many lines of the English have a distinct character, it often transposes into other openings. If White plays an early d4, the game will usually transpose into either the Queen's Gambit or an Indian defence.
The English derives its name from the English (unofficial) world champion, Howard Staunton, who played it during his 1843 match with Amant. It fell out of favor (the opening was notably disdained by Morphy), but is now recognized as a solid opening that may be used to reach both classical and hypermodern positions. Botvinnik, Karpov, and Kasparov all employed it during their world championship matches. Bobby Fischer created a stir when he switched to it from the King's Pawn against Boris Spassky in 1972.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Daniel Barrish (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6
Here we've reached the initial position of the famous Sicilian Dragon. For those who are interested in astronomy, its name refers to the black pawn structure d6-e7-f7-g6-h7, which has resemblance with the Dragon Constellation.
Usually White has (generally speaking, of course) two ways at his disposal:
-quiet positional play by castling short, in order to put some positional pressure thanks to his slight space advantage.
-sharp play by castling long, and simultaneous king's attack for both sides, which often leads to real bloodbaths.
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There are 2 main ways for white to play here: The "passive" classical and minor variations and the aggresive yugoslav attack. the yugoslav has been proven much better
Contributors : Julien Coll, Daniel Barrish
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 Nf6
Alekhine's Defence is named after Alexander Alekhine who first used it in two games in the 1921 Budapest tournament: one against Andre Steiner (which he won) and the other against Fritz Sämisch (which he drew). Another early exponent of the defence was Ernst Grünfeld. The opening is considered hypermodern because Black provokes White to attack Black's knight and occupy the centre with his pawns, hoping to prove that White's imposing mass of pawns in the centre (which often includes pawns on c4, d4, e5, and f4) is in fact weak.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 39%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6
This move is played in about half games, leading to the famous Nimzo-Indian and Bogo-Indian defenses. It allows the black-squares bishop to enter in action quickly (castling usually follows) and to control the d5 center square.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4
The Nimzo-Indian Defence is a hypermodern opening, developed by Grandmaster Aaron Nimzowitsch who introduced it to master-level chess in the early 20th century. Unlike most Indian openings the Nimzo-Indian does not involve an immediate fianchetto, although Black often follows up with ...b6 and ...Bb7. By pinning White's knight Black prevents the threatened 4.e4 and seeks to inflict doubled pawns on White. White will attempt to create a pawn centre and develop his pieces to prepare for an assault on the Black position.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 43%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3
This move has been played in more than half games recorded in Chessbase. I consider it less strong than Nc3 but GMs clearly prefer this move, probably offering good chances in a quieter game, avoiding the Nimzo-Indian defense.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 57%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6
Since White's third move 3.Nf3, a move commonly played to avoid the Nimzo-Indian Defence, does not threaten to occupy the centre with 4.e4, Black has the option of playing 3...b6, called Queen's Indian Defense.
The play in the Queen's Indian is similar to that of the Nimzo-Indian. The opening is considered a hypermodern one, since Black does not strive to occupy the centre with his pawns immediately. Instead he intends to fianchetto his queen's bishop and put pressure on the e4-square in order to prevent White from occupying that square. With the White centre restrained Black intends to attack it. As in most other hypermodern openings, White will attempt to solidify his centre, prove that it is strong, not weak, and use his advantage in space to crush Black.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 Bb4+
The Bogo-Indian Defence, named after Efim Bogoljubov, is not so popular as the Queen's Indian, but is occasionally seen at all levels.
According to Chessbase, black chances are about 41%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4
The Scotch Game received its name from a correspondence match in 1824 between Edinburgh and London. Popular in the 19th century, by 1900 the Scotch had lost favor among top players because it was thought to release the central tension too early and allow Black to equalize without difficulty. More recently the Scotch has regained some popularity and it has been used by grandmasters Kasparov and Timman as a surprise weapon to avoid the well-analyzed Ruy Lopez.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 57%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
g3
The King's Indian Attack (KIA) can be reached by different routes (usually by 1.e4, 1.Nf3 or 1.g3). Often the KIA is reached via 1.e4 followed by d3, Nd2, Ngf3, g3, Bg2, and 0-0, an example being 1.e4 e6 2.d3 (this is possible against almost any opening move -- 1...c6, 1...c5, etc.) d5 3.Nd2 followed by Ngf3, etc.
Since the KIA is a closed, strategic opening choice, many 1.e4 players prefer to play sharper, more open variations. When played after 1.e4, the KIA is most often used against the semi-open defences where Black responds asymmetrically to e4, such as the French Defence, Sicilian Defence, Caro-Kann Defence, etc. The KIA is less often played against 1.e4 e5, where most White players prefer to play more aggressive lines such as the Ruy Lopez.
The King's Indian attack is considered to be one of the most solid opening choices for White, but not very aggressive. It is similar to the King's Indian Defense with colors reversed. White's plan is usually to either push the d and e pawns up a rank as the game progresses in order to bind the opponent. If Black castles king-side, White often follows up with h4 and a king-side pawn storm, placing his king at h1 if needed. If Black castles queen-side, White can move his knight to c4 and attack on the queen-side.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 55%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5
The Giuoco Piano (Italian: "quiet game"), is the oldest recorded opening. The Portuguese Damiano played it at the beginning of the 15th century and the Italian Greco played it at the beginning of the 16th century. Because of Greco's work on the opening, it is sometimes called the Italian Game, although that term is also used more generally to describe the position after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4. The Giuoco Piano was popular through the 19th century, but modern refinements in defensive play have led most chess masters towards openings like the Ruy Lopez that offer White greater chances for long term initiative.
White's "Italian bishop" at c4 prevents Black from advancing in the center with ...d5 and attacks the vulnerable f7 square. White plans to dominate the center with d2-d4 and to attack the Black king. Black aims to free his game by exchanging pieces and playing the pawn break ...d5, or to hold his center pawn at e5.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 46%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3
The Giuoco Pianissimo (Italian: "quietest game"). White aims for a slow buildup deferring d4 until it can be prepared. By avoiding an immediate confrontation in the center White prevents the early release of tension through exchanges and enters a positional maneuvering game.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4
The gambit is named after Captain William Davies Evans, the first player known to have employed it. The first game with the opening is considered to be Evans - McDonnell, London 1827, although in that game a slightly different move order was tried (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. O-O d6 and only now 5. b4). The gambit became very popular shortly after that, being employed a number of times in the series of games between McDonnell and Louis de la Bourdonnais in 1834. Players such as Adolf Anderssen, Paul Morphy and Mikhail Chigorin subsequently took it up. It was out of favour for much of the 20th century, although John Nunn and Jan Timman played some games with it in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and in the 1990s Garry Kasparov used it in a few of his games (notably a famous 25-move win against Viswanathan Anand in Riga, 1995), which prompted a brief revival of interest in it.
The Evans Gambit is basically an aggressive variant of the Giuoco Piano, which normally continues with the positional moves 4. c3 or 4. d3. The idea behind the move 4. b4 is to give up a pawn in order to secure a strong centre and bear down on Black's weak-point, f7. Ideas based on Ba3, preventing black from castling, are also often in the air. The most obvious and most usual way for Black to meet the gambit is to accept it with 4... Bxb4, after which White plays 5. c3 and Black usually follows up with 5... Ba5 (5... Be7 and, less often 5... Bc5 and 5... Bd6 are also played). White usually follows up with 6. d4.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Julien Coll (1400)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3
Here begins the Yugoslav Attack, a very rich way of fighting against the big dragon. Usually White castles queenside and launches a strong attack by pushing his g (g4) and h-pawns (h4-h5) and exchanging the dark-squared bishops (Qd2-Bh6), whereas Black has counterplay with an attack against White's long castle thanks to the c-file, manoeuvres like ...Nc6-e5-c4, pawn pushes like ...b5-b4, ...a5-a4. This kind of game is rarely annoying and very often plenty of sacrifices (ex. sacrifices of the quality in c3 (for Black) and in h5 (for White) are both typical) White should be careful with the g4-square if he plans to castle queenside quickly for an exciting game. Move order is quite important here.
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Contributors : Julien Coll
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7
The Cunningham Defense is black's most aggressive option; it can permanently prevent white from castling after 4.Bc4 Bh4+ 5.Kf1 (else the wild Bertin Gambit, or Three Pawns' Gambit 5.g3 fxg3 6.0-0 gxh2+ 7.Kh1.) However, nowadays it is more common for black to simply play 4. ..Nf6 5.e5 Ng4, the Modern Cunningham.
The first "best game" (Game 156 : Hrubaru [1400] - Berthelot [1420]) voted by FICGS players, followed this opening, not played anymore at a master level.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6
The extremely popular Fischer Defense (planning h6 and g5 but only rarely Bg4, a natural-looking but often weak move that beginners play too early) is complicated and subtle. After Bobby Fischer lost a 1959 game at Mar del Plata to Boris Spassky, in which the Kieseritsky Gambit was played, he left in tears and promptly went to work at devising a new King's Gambit defense. In a 1962 article titled "A Bust to the King's Gambit" he put forth this idea and claimed that it refuted the King's Gambit, which was clearly not the case. The article concluded with the famously arrogant line, "Of course white can always play differently in which case he merely loses differently." Nonetheless, the article was possibly the most influential ever written about an opening, and ever since the King's Gambit has been rare in Grandmaster play, though a few players such as Joseph Gallagher still use it.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 c5 d4
This move usually leads to the Smith-Morra Gambit (or simply Morra Gambit). After 2. ... cxd4, White can develop his pieces quickly, but have to choose between giving a pawn more (3.c3) for activity, or taking back with the queen (3.Qxd4), exposing early the queen at the center of the board.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Normajean Yates (1966)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6
Nimzowitch's line.
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Contributors : George Stibal, Normajean Yates
Larry Wolfley (2133)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3
the natural
Why not try after a6 c4?
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck, Tano-Urayoán Russi Román
Larry Wolfley (2133)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5
Ndb5 is impossible (actually not impossible but not so good :))
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck, Thibault de Vassal
Pablo Schmid (1700)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6
This move is generally played to reach the Sicilian Taimanov or the Sicilian Kan(Paulsen).
The advantage of e6 is to keep options open for the bishop of the dark squares. But it as somes disadvantages too: The sicilian with c3 or b3 is stronger here compared to 2..d6 or 2..Nc6 because e6 limits Black's options.
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid
Pablo Schmid (1700)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 c3
With the idea to play a Smith-Morra gambit where Black's options of declining the gambit are a little less good compared to the immediate 2.d4
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid
Tano-Urayoán Russi Román (1944)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4
Not the best
White should play c4
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Contributors : Larry Wolfley, Ulrich Imbeck, Tano-Urayoán Russi Román
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5
The Grünfeld Defence is named after Ernst Grünfeld, the player who first employed the defence in the 1920s. The defence was later adopted by a number of prominent players, including Vasily Smyslov, Viktor Korchnoi and Bobby Fischer. Garry Kasparov has often used the defence, including in his World Championship matches against Anatoly Karpov in 1986, 1987 and 1990, and Vladimir Kramnik in 2000. In more recent years it has been regularly employed by Loek Van Wely, Peter Svidler and Luke McShane among others.
The opening relies on one of the main principles of the hypermodern school, which was coming to the fore in the 1920s - that a large pawn centre could be a liability rather than an asset. This idea is seen most clearly in the Exchange Variation of the defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4. Now White has an imposing looking centre - and the main continuation 5...Nxc3 bxc3 strengthens it still further. Black generally attack's White's centre with ...c5 and ...Bg7, often followed by moves like ...cxd4, ...Bg4, and ...Nc6. White often uses his big centre to launch an attack against Black's king, which generally ends up on g8 after Black castles king-side.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 Nf6 Bg5
The Trompowski attack is named after the one-time Brazilian champion Octavio Siqueiro F. Trompowski (1897–1984) who played it in the 1930s and 1940s.
With the second move, White is intending to exchange his bishop for Black's knight inflicting doubled pawns upon Black in the process. This is not a lethal threat, Black can choose to fall in with White's plan.
After 1.d4 Nf6, the Trompowski is a popular alternative to the more common 2.c4 and 2.Nf3 lines. By playing 2.Bg5, White avoids the immense opening theory of various Indian Defences like the Queen's Indian and the King's Indian. Some of the grandmasters who often play the Trompowski are Julian Hodgson and Antoaneta Stefanova.
According to Chessbase, white chances are about 56%
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
David Grosdemange (1912)
c4 c5
the symmetrical english .
if blacks plays too long symmetrical , white can keep a little advantage with the advance to play first . but black can isn't forced to continue playing symmetrical .
this move is sometimes used by sicilian players , because it can transpose into a maroczy bind .
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Contributors : David Grosdemange
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5
Richter-Rauzer opening, caracterized by last move 6.Bg5, was introduced by the German Master, Kurt Richter. The idea was to force an immediate 6....e6 or risk doubled king-pawns. At this point, Vsevolod Rauzer contributed the move, 7.Qd2. Here, White has an advantage in space and development is nearly complete while Black has a better pawn structure.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
David Grosdemange (1912)
e4 e5 f4 d6
a simple move , declining the king's gambit .
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Contributors : David Grosdemange
Graham Cridland (1692)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7
Black has two main choices here, the text move and ...a6. In either case, White can either ignore the move order and proceed with development (the main lines), or attempt to take advantage of the difference. In the case of ...Qc7, this generally means Ponomariov's pet line 6 Ndb5 Qb8 7 Be3!?, using the b5 square before it is covered to inconvenience Black in his development.
Otherwise, we enter the major Paulsen/Taimanov variations (and Black will generally play ...a6 to rule out Ndb5 ideas).
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Contributors : Graham Cridland
Graham Cridland (1692)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Ndb5
The old, unimposing line was now a2-a4, trying to restrict Black's chances. The line associated with Ponomariov begins with 7 Be3
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Contributors : Graham Cridland
Thibault de Vassal (2425)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6
The Berlin Defence is logical and solid, although it can be hard for Black to generate winning chances. Arthur Bisguier played this line for decades, and it was later taken up by Alexei Shirov and other young grandmasters. Vladimir Kramnik used the Berlin Defence as a drawing variation against Garry Kasparov in their 2000 World Championship match.
After 4.0-0, Black can play either the solid 4...Nxe4 or the more combative 4...Bc5. After 4...Nxe4 5.d4 (5.Re1 Nd6 6.Nxe5 is also reasonable) Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ (8.Qe2?! Nd4! 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 favors Black. After 10.Rd1, Bg4!? 11.Rxd4 Bxe2 gives Black a pleasant endgame.) Kxd8 White is usually considered to have a small advantage in light of his somewhat better pawn structure and Black's awkwardly placed king, but Black, with a solid position and the bishop pair, has excellent drawing chances.
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Contributors : Julien Baudement, Tim Bredernitz, Thibault de Vassal
Rémi Marois (1500)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3
The object of this move is to reduce black's choices and to eliminate the idea of Nxe4 Nxe4 d5.
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Contributors : Rémi Marois
Andrew Stephenson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 Nbd7
At one time thought to be unplayable for black was the main choice of Kasparov when facing Bc4
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Contributors : Rémi Marois, Andrew Stephenson
Tim Bredernitz (1100)
e4 e5 Qh5
This is called the Parham Attack. It's used commonly in lower scholastic tournaments. If used against a player who has the ability to see multiple moves ahead, however, the early over-development of the Queen will result in either the loss of the white Queen, or the loss of a tempo. The move is deceiving, because white is actually putting the e5 pawn under attack. If black counters by attacking the queen with 2. ... g6?, they lose a rook a rook to 3.Qxe5+. The most effective way to counter against this attack is to protect the e5 pawn. After the King pawn is protected, white's queen is left overdeveloped and subject to attack. Overall, the Parham Attack is only effective against beginning chess players.
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz
Roger Whitman (1971)
e4 e5 Qh5 Nf6 Qxe5 Be7
Black continues to developp himself and will gain another tempo with Nc6.
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid, Roger Whitman
Tim Bredernitz (1100)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6
A great way to combat the Ruy Lopez. It takes the punch out of it, because it protects the king pawn. There would now be no advantage to trading the bishop for the black knight, because the e pawn is still protected.
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz
Adrian Tan (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6
The Ruy Lopez exchange, White gives up the advantage of the bishop pair, but gains compensation by damaging black's pawn structure.
White has a long range plan of creating an endgame where he is able to profit from a king side majority while Black is unable to due to the doubled pawn on the Queen's side.
Traditionally, this opening has not being very popular at the top level, but Fischer had some success with it in the 60s.
Note: White doesn't actually win the e pawn with this move because dxc6 Nxe5 Qd4 recovers the pawn.
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, Adrian Tan
David Grosdemange (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6
There is a question as to which pawn you should take the bishop with. Let me clear this up. White will now take the e pawn.
* white won't take the e-pawn (because of Qd4!-/+) , but white has a majority on the king-site (4 against 3) , when black's majority on queen-side isn't really effective , because of the doubled pawns .
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, David Grosdemange
David Grosdemange (1912)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5
It now looks like white has succeeded in trading a bishop for a knight and a pawn, along with control of the center. There is, however, a great equalizer for this attack. Qd4.
* taking the e-pawn is a good black move . white will lose the pawn , and there no more compensation for the pair of bishops .
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, David Grosdemange
Adrian Tan (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Qd4
White is now forced to return the pawn.
After Nf3 Qxe4+ Qe2 Qxe2+ Kxe2, White has no compensation for the bishop pair. Black is at least equal or better.
There are more promising lines for White.
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, Adrian Tan
David Grosdemange (1912)
f4 e6
The Fool's Mate.
* this mate can be reached with the from gambit , who is better than this e6 . (see f4 e5 g4?)
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, David Grosdemange
Tim Bredernitz (1100)
f4 e6 f5
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz
Tim Bredernitz (1100)
f4 e6 g4
Continuation of the Fool's Mate...
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz
Normajean Yates (1858)
f4 e6 g4 Qh4
The fastest possible checkmate in chess.
Logically, but not idiomatically, *one* of the fastest checkmates in chess; because this is only *one* of the four mates on black's second move:
1. f(3/4) e(6/5) 2.g4 Qh4#, and the same with white's two moves transposed i.e. 1.g4 e(6/5) 2.f(3/4) Qh4#; making for 8 shortest mates :)
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz, Normajean Yates
Tim Bredernitz (1100)
e4 e5 Qh5 g6
Congratulations, you've now lost a rook.
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz
Tim Bredernitz (1100)
e4 e5 Qh5 g6 Qxe5
Black has now lost a rook, along with whatever else white manages to pick off in the corner.
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Contributors : Tim Bredernitz
Sandor Porkolab (2269)
e4 d5
One of the oldest recorded openings, first recorded as being played between Francesco di Castellvi and Narciso Vinyoles in Valencia in 1475, and being mentioned by Lucena in 1497. It and the French Defense are the oldest asymmetric defenses to 1.e4.
It is a playable, underrated defence that can lead to equality for black. White almost always takes the pawn. Other alternatives are 2. Nc3!?, leading to the Dunst opening, 2. d4!?, leading to the Blackmar-Deimer gambit, and 2. e5?!, leading to unique positions where black can easily equalise. After 2. exd5, there are two very different ways of playing the defence, 2...Nf6 and 2...Qxd5.
1.e4 d5 2.e5!? is also an option - going to French/CaroCann Lines - preventing the skandinawian...
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Contributors : Adam Domurad, Sandor Porkolab
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 d6
The Pirc Defence, sometimes known as the Ufimtsev Defence.
Amir agheri : When it comes to chess openings, I prefer to play less popular, less traveled lines. For almost two decades, I have mostly played the Queen pawn Opening, the Dutch Defense, and the French Defense, which are all well known, solid openings sane opening choices. However, I must confess I have a passion for opening study and experimenting. Recently I have been experimenting with the Balogh Counter Gambit against 1.e4.
Did he say the Balogh Counter Gambit?? What is that?
Well, play starts out like a Pirc Defense, 1.e4 d6 2.d4 and now instead of 2…Nf6, Black plays the shocking 2…f5!?
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Contributors : Amir Bagheri, Thibault de Vassal
Amir Bagheri (2513)
e4 d6 d4 f5
The move has great surprise value! One has to hunt hard in opening books to even find the Balogh Counter Gambit (BCG) mentioned. With a little investigating you will find the BCG is covered under the Dutch Defense, The move order there is 1.d4 f5 2.e4, the Staunton Gambit, then 2…d6 transposes to the BCG.
I first saw the BCG mentioned in Richard Wincor’s book “Baroque Chess Openings”. A whimsical book on less traveled opening lines with the idea of engaging battle on one’s own terms. The book does make an interesting point. One can play less forceful openings that offer soundness and surprise value in return for more frequently getting known lines/positions.
If you are lucky enough to find a BCG referenced in an opening book the analysis line usually runs 1.d4 f5 2.e4 d6 3.exf5 Bxf5 4.Qf3 Qc8 5.Bd3 Bxd3 (5…Bg4 is better) 6.Qxd3 with a clear plus for White.
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Contributors : Amir Bagheri
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
d4 f5
The dutch defense.
Black's ...f5 stakes a serious claim to the e4 square and looks towards an attack on White's kingside in the middlegame. However, it weakens Black's own kingside somewhat, and does nothing to contribute to Black's development. As of 2005, the defence is unpopular in top-level play. The Dutch has never been one of the main lines against 1.d4, though in the past a number of top players, including Alexander Alekhine, Bent Larsen and Paul Morphy, have used it with success. Perhaps its high-water mark occurred in 1951, when both world champion Mikhail Botvinnik and his challenger, David Bronstein, played it in their championship match.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2522)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5
Czech problemist Karel Traxler played first 4...Bc5!? in Reinisch–Traxler, Prague 1890.
Marshall analyzed the variation and named it after the town Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Today this variation is known as both the Traxler Variation and the Wilkes-Barre Variation.
Traxler counter-attack is rarely played at a grandmaster level, but Beliavsky and Shirov have played it occasionally, sometimes in top competition.
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Contributors : Adrian Tan, Thibault de Vassal
Pablo Schmid (1700)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6
This is the Sicilian Kan (or sometimes called Paulsen.
Black plays a6 to allow Qc7 (by preventing a White Nb5) and enable ...b5.
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Contributors : Richard Hendricks, Pablo Schmid
Dimitrios Ropokis (1848)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4
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Contributors : Roger Weber, Dimitrios Ropokis
Gregory Kohut (1783)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5
The beginning of the end ! Black has no moveoptions and the Qf6-Move is a MUST and not a can.
The following comment is by me (Benjamin Aldag):
The Kings Gambit was good to play in the early 80s. But with comming of good and fast computers, the Kings Gambit is researched move for move in all lines. If both players play the best moves, all white can reach is a draw. But the point is, white has the chance, to do more wrong in the opening, than black. Ok, there are some kiddy-tricks by white, but if black want an equal game, he will get it. Now letz take a look to the latvian,- the Kings Gambit with a tempo down. If the Kings Gambit is bad, why should the Latvian Gambit good for black with a tempo down ? The only way for black is to hope, that the white player isn't prepared for this gambit. There are many traps, but the basics of these traps are easy to see. Black is from beginning on under big pressure and has no dynamic play. In nearly all lines of the Latvian Gambit, black has only forced moves. From now on, i will give to all moves in all lines my commentary. Ok.... i'am not a GM, IM, or FM, but i think i know the Latvian Gambit really good.
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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Gregory Kohut
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
e4 Nc6
The Nimzowitsch or Fischer Defense.
This is a somewhat unusual chess opening and an example of hypermodern chess where Black invites White to occupy the centre of the board at an early stage with pawns. Black's intent is to block or otherwise restrain White's central pawns and, if allowed to do so by inaccurate play by White, eventually undermine the White pawn center by well-timed pawn advances of his own or by attacking the White pieces defending the centre.
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Contributors : Dirk Jan Van Dijl, Thibault de Vassal
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3
Smyslow's way
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Contributors : Dirk Jan Van Dijl, Ulrich Imbeck
Peter Marriott (1816)
g4
Grob's Attack named after Swiss IM Henri Grob (1904-74).
White intends to put pressure along the h1-a8 diagonal while also threatening to launch a Kingside pawn storm.
The opening is considered inferior for White (-0.32 at this stage of analysis 29/06/2008), but it avoids endless theoretical discussions and cannot be avoided by Black. The positions are often highly tactical and natural play by Black may lead him into several traps.
Evaluation notes from Kjetil Prestesaeter:
I have added all known named lines plus other lines favored by Rybka (Rybka 2.3 mp 32-bit, 17ply). Many of the named lines seem to be more romantic than strong. Please extend the analysis if you have spare time and computer power.
Notes by Peter Marriott:
I used to use the Grob in many blitz games I have played against humans. I actually had good success, not because it is a good move, but because it confused many players. On a chess server, I actually achieved a rating from 16-1700 by playing it. Many, many players simply responded by ...d5 and after I played Bg2, they took the g4 pawn, which led me to win a whole bunch of games by playing 3.c4, with an eye on b7. Maybe the right way to play this for black is simply to play 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 then c6. Then white wonders what he's gonna do (At least I did!)
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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Gary Gruwé, Kjetil Prestesaeter, Peter Marriott
Thibault de Vassal (2424)
e4 c5 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 Bg4 Bxf7+ Kd7 Qxg4+ Nxg4 Be6+
Now Black has three choices : Kc6, Kc7 .. and Ke8 which leads to an immediate draw by repetition.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3
The ponziani opening.
Aims to grasp d4 early on, but is this possibly a premature aim?
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Contributors : Dirk Jan Van Dijl, Kieran Child
Mark Carroll (1700)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 e6 O-O Be7 d3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 e4 b6 e5 Nd7 Re1 Qc7 Qe2 Bb7 h4 O-O-O a3 h6 h5
This move stops black from being able to play g5, which would begin a good attack for him.
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Contributors : Mark Carroll
Mark Carroll (1700)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Be7 Qc2 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 cxd5 exd5 d4 Be7 Be3 O-O O-O-O Nc6 a3 Na5 Bd3 h6 Qe2
This is not the best move for white. In this position, both sides should attempt a pawn storm and all out attack on the other side's king. For white, f4 would be a better alternative as it gives him an advantage in his attack. Qe2 wastes time and allows black to go ahead with his counterattack.
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Contributors : Mark Carroll
Mark Carroll (1700)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Be7 Qc2 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 cxd5 exd5 d4 Be7 Be3 O-O O-O-O Nc6 a3 Na5 Bd3 h6 Qe2 b5
Material is not as important as initiative and open files against the opposing king.
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Contributors : Mark Carroll
Marc Lacrosse (2233)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5
The Basman-Sale sicilian.
If white plays Nb3, Black intends to go for some original play with Bb6, Ne7 and often f5.
If Be3, than Qb6 with pressure along the a7-g1 diagonal. Some lines lead to extremely confuse highly tactical positions.
Originally played by british IM Michael Basman in the seventies and eighties. More recently IM Srdjan Sale has been the main exponent of the variation with some fair results including a win against the then young Peter Leko.
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Contributors : Marc Lacrosse
Ilmars Cirulis (1866)
b4 e5
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Contributors : David Grosdemange, Attila Nagy
1... e5 on a first look appears to be the best tactical way to open up the position, but recent experience suggests that it is not so good..., the response 2. b5! seems to show excellent results, but it is little tested to date. 2. Bb2 is much more tested, in fact it should be said that so far it is the main line... - Normajean Yates, Ulrich Imbeck, Thigorin Sergej, Ilmars Cirulis
Telmo Escobar (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6
Analysed by Marshall in 1942, as an improvement on 11...Nf6 that gave Marshall a lose to Capablanca in 1918.
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Contributors : Benjamin Aldag, Telmo Escobar
Benjamin Aldag (1822)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qf7 Ne3 c6 Nxe4 d5 Ng5
How can i describe the past moves of this game with one word ? Hmmm....it's GAMING ! White is playing with his opponent like a cat with a mice. Just count the queenmoves of black, and you will understand me. Let us remember some opening rules:
1. Don't move to early the queen.
2. Don't move with the same figure in the opening twice or more times.
3. Don't open the pawnshield of your king (f-pawn etc.).
4. Develope your figures fast and with one move.
Now......we can see,- Black did in the opening all wrong, what a chessplayer can do wrong in the opening. In the Latvian Gambit, White will kill Black with a headshot !
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Benjamin Aldag
Ilmars Cirulis (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Nf6
IMHO
3.. Nf6 is better as 3.. Qf6.
But only a bit.
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 e5 b5
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Will this be the main line of this variation in the future? Will this refute 2.e5 ? Only time will tell...
No. e5 is unrefutable. Even 1. b4 is unrefutable.
And it's 1. ... e5 (Ulrich)
Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis, Normajean Yates, Ulrich Imbeck
Thibault de Vassal (2407)
b3
The Larsen-Opening
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck, Gregory Kohut, Carlos Oliveira
Ulrich Imbeck (1200)
b3 e5
Developing and Blockading the coming Lb2.
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1200)
b3 d5
Preparing Developing
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Peter Marriott (1816)
g4 d5 Bg2
Grob's Gambit
White aims to tear open the centre for an early material advantage on the queenside.
Notes by Peter Marriott:
The main gambit. White threatens to play 3.c4 if black takes the g4 pawn.
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Contributors : Ron Keyston, Kieran Child, Kjetil Prestesaeter, Peter Marriott
Ron Keyston (1522)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 d5
The best way to "de-fang" the Danish...returning one of the pawns in order to gain the time to catch up in development.
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Contributors : Ron Keyston
Dirk Ghysens (2245)
a3
Not very impressing, but it was played by Adolf Anderssen against Paul Morphy in their 1859 match. Anderssen subsequently used the variation, with more success, against other adversaries.
Anderssen scored 1.5/3 with it against Morphy (DG).
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar, Don Burden, Dirk Ghysens
Ilmars Cirulis (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 cxd6 c3 Bg4 Qa4+ Kf8
After that here is draw. Impossible! :(
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal, Ilmars Cirulis
Ilmars Cirulis (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 h3 Bg3 c3 Nf5 Na3 Bd7 d6 cxd6 Bf7 Kd8 Bb3
After it again follows d5 with minimal advantage to white.
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Ilmars Cirulis (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 h3 Bg3 c3 Nf5 d6 Nxd6 Qf3 Bh4 Na3 Nfe4 Bf7 Nxf7 Qxe4 Nxh8 Qxh7 Qf7 Ke2 Ng6 Rf1 Bf5 Rxf5 Qxf5 Qg8 Nf8 Qxg7
Eh! It's too complicated! And black have chanses to draw. We must look for something simpler.
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Ilmars Cirulis (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 h3 Bg3 c3 Nf5 d6 cxd6 Bf7+ Kd8 Qb3 g5 Bc4
+- IMO
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Thibault de Vassal (2425)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Qh4+
The line of the famous "Immortal game", played by Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Thibault de Vassal (2425)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Qh4+ Kf1 b5 Bxb5 Nf6 Nf3 Qh6 d3 Nh5 Nh4 Qg5 Nf5 c6 g4 Nf6 Rg1 cxb5 h4 Qg6 h5 Qg5 Qf3 Ng8 Bxf4 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qxb2 Bd6 Bxg1 e5 Qxa1+ Ke2 Na6 Nxg7+ Kd8 Qf6+ Nxf6 Be7
End of game : A. Anderssen - L. Kieseritzky (Immortal game, 1851)
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Ingo Schwarz (1824)
e4 c5 Bc4
An idea, which I have tested in some tournament games. I often played Bc4 in other Sicilian systems, so I asked me, why not play it as soon as possible.
This move works against d5 and sometimes a Bxf7+ combination is possible like in other openings with sharp play.
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Contributors : Ingo Schwarz
Peter Marriott (1816)
e4 c5 Bc4 e6
IMO, this is the best move after 1.e4 c5 2. Bc4. It threatens to play ...d5, chasing away the bishop.
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Contributors : Ingo Schwarz, Peter Marriott
Torsten Opas (1541)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5
Zucketort gambit declined - Caro Kann
Essentially the Caro-Kann with the moves jostled around. White will want early castling, or possibly early tactical tricks. Black will be aiming for an influence in the centre of the board.
Chessbase considers this a 56% win for white
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kaan Kara (1588)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3
The position gives black to dynamic , mobile position but it also gives white to a central positioned knight which is important
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Also two bishop is a good thing for black :)
Contributors : Kaan Kara
Jaimie Wilson (1524)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1524)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1524)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1524)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 e6 e4 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Thibault de Vassal (2522)
e4 e6 d4 f5
The 'Kingston Defence' is characterised by the opening moves:
1.e4 e6
2.d4 f5
It can also be reached after the transposition of moves 1.d4 f5 2.e4 e6 — a form of Staunton Gambit Declined.
The first record of the defence being played is Schiffers-Chigorin, 1880. The first record of a win by Black is the 1892 victory of Elson over Emanuel Lasker. It remains obscure, but has considerable surprise value.
The Kingston Defence shares a weakness with the French Defence — in the form of the constrained queen's bishop -- and a strength with the Dutch Defence — namely the early thrust of the f-pawn, which often supports a knight on e4. (These French and Dutch similarities led to the first, uncomfortable name for the defence: Frutch.) White's decision at move three tends to define the nature of the game that follows.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
If Black plays ..c5 immediately, 4.d5 is uncomfortable.
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
A good waiting move. White is likely to play Nf3 at some point. (An immediate 4.f4 admits that Black has determined the closed nature of the game.)
Thibault de Vassal (2522)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 Nc6 Bxf5
Black's fifth move now hits two pieces simultaneously.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson, Thibault de Vassal
Miguel Pires (2143)
e4 e5 Bb5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 Qe2 Bc5 Nf3 d5
The ultimate challenge!!! With this line you can have beautiful and figthing games. Prepare your self to fight very hard
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Contributors : Miguel Pires
Mark Hailes (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6
The fight in the Nimzo often revolves around controlling the square e4. If white manages to force through e3-e4 unhindered, the b1 bishop will be released and white will have a dominating position in the centre, often with the threat of playing e5 gaining space and a kingside initiative. So Black plans Bb7 controlling the long diagonal and in particular the square e4.
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Contributors : Wladyslaw Makosiej, Mark Hailes
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 c4 c5
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Black immediately challenges White's centre, and prepares a possible ..Nc6.
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Nc3 d5
Black now contests the centre, forcing White to decide immediately whether to advance or exchange the e-pawn.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3
A simple developing move, waiting to see what Black has in mind.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7 Ne5 Nf6 Bg5 O-O Bd3 c6
Passive, but Black's development of his queenside pieces is slightly tangled. He'd like to have played Nbd7 immediately, but of course Bxf5 is White's simple riposte.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Kieran Child (1600)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 c4 dxc4 Bxb7 Nd7 Bxa8 Qxa8 f3
The best move, though the often perceived attack on the black bishop is clearly non-existant. This move also weakens the kingside further, allowing bishop or queen checks later. Black will aim to exploit this. White will aim to defend any attacks and hold on to the exchange.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Nf3 d5 e4 dxe4 Ng5
The obvious continuation perceived from the moment white played e4. White aims for early attacks on f7, and this move also threatens to regain the pawn. If black defends the pawn, the attack on f7 will look to be exploited, if black aims for natural development and prevention of an early tactical trick, he will be ok.
Chessbase considers this 49% win for white
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Nf3 d5 e4 dxe4 Ng5 f5
A seemingly harmless move, but one that significantly weakens e6, allowing for an early f7 tactic. If white doesn't take the opportunity immedietly, e5 is possible, kicking back the white knight and giving black a good game a pawn up.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Nf3 d5 e4 d4
Zucketort gambit declined - advance variation
The least favourable way to decline the gambit. Black aims primarily to get an advanced centre, and limit queenside development, but white can often penetrate through this.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Nf3 d5 e4 d4 c3
A typical way to counter blacks plans. White aims for development of the c3 knight, and for a weak black pawn structure.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Nf3 Nf6 b4
Santasiere's folly
A move so named because, when it was first played by Anthony Santasiere, he commented "oh dear, I meant to play it to b3!" Like the Sokolsky though, it is seen by many as more than a Basmanesque joke. White will aim to play a further b5, Bb2 and a4, gaining much queenside space and restricting the development of black's queenside rook and knight. Black will aim to prevent this queenside space with quick counter attacks on the queenside.
ChessBase considers this 55% win for white
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Nc6 Qh5+ g6 Nxg6 Nf6 Qh4 hxg6
The most aggressive and risky move. Few draws emerge from this position. Black's aim is to get white's queen into the corner and out of the way so he can launch a mating attack on the white king, something he's willing to sacrifice the rook for. Taking the rook is sound though, as all of black's attacks can be easily seen off.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Nc6 Qh5+ g6 Nxg6 Nf6 Qh3 fxe4
The most common move, and a double edged one. Black aims to gain a huge lead in development, the initiative and a better position with d5. White can take the rook, technically safely, but will need to defend against a big attack in order to win the endgame.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 f4 c5
Mafia defence
Black's aim is to prevent d4 being played and thus marginally restricting white's hopes of a recapture on f4. This has yet to see any success though, and Bc4 and d3 by white seems to refute it pretty well.
Chessbase considers this 38% won for black
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6
Norwald variation
An uncommon response as it brings out the queen (much too early) and blocks the g8 knight, but it does put black clear material up and with no obvious tactical flaws.
Chessbase considers this a 38% win for black, but it should be noted that it mostly just gets played experimentally by players expecting a loss.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 f4 Qf6 d4
Norwald variation - Electric eel attack
Possibly the least played opening to still have a name. On bigbase9, only 4 games played d4 in response to the Norwald and thus it is hard to analyse. Black doesn't have any immediete wins though, and after the pawn takes on d or e, white will play e5 and Nf3 for an OK game.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Terry Godat (2137)
h4 e5 Rh3 d5 Re3 Nc6 d4 e4 c4
More attention than it deserves? pah!
With c4, white continues to attack the centre by attempting to undermine the defence of e4. This is a tactic typical in grob openings.
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Contributors : Kieran Child, Terry Godat
Thanks for your compliment to my invention, but it really is quite silly.
Lazaro Munoz (1785)
h4 d5
Kadas opening.
Black prevents the rook from developing. White's only plan has been destroyed. The type of player who would play h4 is the same player who would follow up with h5, trying to develop the rook again to h4 this time.
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Contributors : Kieran Child, Lazaro Munoz
Ilmars Cirulis (1349)
h4 d5 h5 e5 h6 Nxh6 d4 Nc6 Bxh6 gxh6 dxe5 Nxe5
White in trouble (IMO).
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Toon Pepermans (1992)
d4 e5
Englund gambit (/Charlick gambit)
Black's aim is to avoid closed systems and castle early, though nowadays this move is rarely seen without the follow up trap. In case the multiple follow up traps appeal to anyone reading this, remember that this opening is never seen at grandmaster level, emphasising its hideous unsoundness.
-K.Child
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1. d4 e5
{The Seccond best first move gambit in Chess. The authority is GM Stefan Bücker, who wrote one of the bibles of unorthodox openings, with his book "Englund Gambit" (1988). He has touched upon the opening in later collumns both at chesscafe.com and in his magazine; Kaissiber. The conclusion seems to be that White is better with acurate play, but OTB White usually avoids those main lines.}
2. dxe5 Nc6
(2... d6 "Hartlaub-Gambit")
3. Nf3 Qe7
(3... f6 "Soller Gambit")
(3... Nge7 "Zilbermints Gambit")
{Now White can chose between several playable lines:}
A) 4. Bf4 {Grob Variation}
B) 4. Qd5 {Stockholm Variation}
C) 4. Nc3
D) 4. e4
-P.Valle, 5th Nov 2010
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Contributors : Kieran Child, Paul Valle, Toon Pepermans
Kieran Child (1600)
d4 e5 dxe5 d6
Hartlaub variation
The initial idea of Henry Charlick when playing the Englund. It's more respectable than the modern trap, but is unsound. Black aims for early development and castling. White will aim to not stray too far behind development-wise, and win a pawn-up endgame.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
d4 e5 dxe5 f6
Soller's gambit
Similar idea to the Hartlaub gambit but black chooses not to sacrifice his centre pawn.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6
An understandable move. Black attacks the e5 pawn and stakes a claim for the centre.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 f5
Calabrese countergambit
A relative of the latvian gambit. Black's aim is a subtle exploitation of white's early bishop choice. He seeks to play a quick d5 and gain the centre with a tempo. White can just play like a kings gambit declined with a tempo up.
Chessbase considers this a 61% win for black, unusually high, and probably because of the many sticky situations white can find himself in if he is too aggressive.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6
Berlin defence
The standard reply. Black develops normally and will aim to play Nc6 and Bc5 and castle for a typical open game. This move does justify white's early bishop move though, as he can now play d3 and get a middlegame with two active bishops.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Nicolas Vedovotto (2039)
Na3
The Durkin
Named after American master, Robert Dirkin, who probably would have known better than to play it anyway. This is a very strange place to develop the knight. If white wanted the knight to exert central control, Nc3 is better. If his aim is to keep the c pawn flexible, the English, or even the Saragossa is preferable. White's aim will be to move this knight yet again, probably to c4. Black is fine developing normally.
Chessbase considers this a 54% win for white.
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Contributors : Kieran Child, Peter Marriott, Nicolas Vedovotto
Kieran Child (1600)
Na3 e5
Stakes a claim in the centre and threatens to damage white's pawn structure with Bxa3.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Na3 d5
Preventing Nc4 and staking a claim in the centre. Not quite as good as e5 but that will probably be played soon after anyway.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
Na3 d5 c4
Aiming to get the knight off a3, but if that's the aim, why put it there in the first place?
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Thibault de Vassal (2514)
Na3 d5 g4 Bxg4
Now the question : Did Black win the game already ? :) .. Such strange openings have at least the merit to create real challenges IMO.
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Roberto Migliorini (2058)
c4 b5
Jaenisch gamnbit
Never been an especially popular opening, the Jaenisch gambit is a theoretically unsound attempt at getting an interesting game out of the English. Black aims to quickly develop the bishop to b7 and gain central control, though he is not without some tactical traps on the queenside. White can easily fight for a solid centre, and start some counterplay while black is trying to regain the pawn.
Chessbase considers this a 34% win for black, 32% if white accepts the pawn.
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Contributors : Kieran Child, Roberto Migliorini
Kieran Child (1600)
Nf3 Nf6 b4 e5
I'll call this idea the "Rebaudo variation" because, in all my time playing this opening, he's the first person to play it against me, and I actually think it looks quite good. Black threatens to stop any hope white had of queenside space by capturing the pawn on b4. This move is also more forceful than the common e6 as b5 now falls foul to e4 and black has the advantage.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 d4 Qh4
A variation from the centre game that doesn't have a name (so we can call it the Child variation) but probably should, because IMO it's the best reply. Black manages to avoid any tactical traps from the Danish, and plays on the fact that d4 weakens the c3 square, allowing the knight to be pinned should it ever choose to go there.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7
Prevents an immediate Bg5 by White. Black wants to avoid playing ..d6 or ..d5 for as long as he can.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 Nf6
Black has to play this some time. Why not now?
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 Nf6 Ne5
This seems premature, as Black can nudge it away immediately.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Kieran Child (1600)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4
Most common move at club level. Black assumes he has won a pawn after an exchange on d4. While he can sometimes be confronted with a lack of spacial allowance after e5, this isn't too bad for black.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 c4 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4 Nbc6 Nf3 Ng6
Black continues the plan to attack the e5 pawn, a task White has made easier by making it impossible to play f4 quickly.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 Nf6 Ne5 d6 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Nc6 Bd3 Nb4 Bb1 c6 a3 Na6 O-O d5 Ne5 Nc7 c5 Ne4 Ne2 Ne6 f3 N4g5
The alternative ...Nf6 simply loses the f-pawn without compensation.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 c4 c6 Ne5 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Bd3 d6 Nf3 Na6
Nbd7 loses the f5 pawn immediately.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 c3 cxd4
Black cannot play an immediate ...Nbc6, because it does not prevent d5. If ...Nbc6, d5 Nbxe5, then d6 wins the knight on e7.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 g3 Nf6 Bg2 O-O O-O Ne4 Qd3 d5
Denying White the opportunity to play d5 himself, and reinforcing the protection of the knight on e4.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bc4 cxd4 cxd4 Ng6 O-O a6 a3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Be3 Be7 Nc3 Rc8
A good aggressive move. Black has no immediate need to castle.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bc4 cxd4 cxd4 Ng6 O-O a6 a3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Be3 Be7 Nc3 Rc8 d5 Ncxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bf4 Ng6 Be3 f4
Perhaps a little impatient.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 d5
Before White thinks of playing d5 himself.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Bd3 fxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Bg5 d5 Bf3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 c3 Be7 Nd2 O-O
Puts the rook immediately on a semi-open file.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 g4
A new idea in the Advance variation, perhaps conceived in the belief that new, passive-looking defences like the Kingston Defence need to be walloped immediately. But it seems unsound. According to Fritz, White loses his 0.55 advantage immediately with this move.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 g4 fxg4 Qxg4 c5 Be3 cxd4 Bxd4 Nbc6
Best. It develops and attacks simultaneously. Chess is won by making moves that achieve two or more positive objectives simultaneously.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nc3 d5 Qh5+ g6 Qe2+ Be7 Bg5 Kf7 Qe5 Nf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd5+ Kg7 O-O-O
The only move to keep up maximum pressure
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6
An immediate ..cxd4 is also fine. Fritz values this position as +0.44.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 Bb4+
Fritz prefers ..d6 to this, but I like this simple move's adherence to basic opening principles.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 Bb4+ Nc3 O-O O-O
White had to play it some time.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 Bb4+ Nc3 O-O O-O a6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b5 Ng5 h6 Nh3 Qh4
Not absolutely best, but probably surprising for White who had himself hoped to be bringing his Queen to this area.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nf3 c5 c3 Nbc6 Bd3 Ng6 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 Bb4+ Nc3 O-O O-O a6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b5 Ng5 h6 Nh3 Qh4 Qf3 Bb7 Qe2 Rac8
Formulaic. An immediate ..f4 would be so much better.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2
Not best. (Nf3 is simmplest.) But White still has the advantage -- about +0.44, according to Fritz.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 c3 cxd4 cxd4 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5+ Qd2 Qxd2+
Eliminates the chances of White forcing a quick win.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Nh3 c5 Nf4
White continues immediately with his plan, almost ignoring the attack on the d-pawn. Fritz says the position is worth +0.72 after dxc5.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Yugi Inving (0980)
h4 b6 h5
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Contributors : Yugi Inving
Black got the idea of devlopping the rook in h4 this time.
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
h4 g6 h5 Bg7 d4
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Contributors : Yugi Inving, Ulrich Imbeck
Attack is coming
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
h4 g6 h5 Bg7 d4 Nf6
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Contributors : Yugi Inving, Ulrich Imbeck
Black position their knight in the wrong place.
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
h4 g6 h5 Bg7 d4 Nf6 h6
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Contributors : Yugi Inving, Ulrich Imbeck
Now 0-0 become a reall weak move, and the black bishop is no longer on his best place. Black is in trouble.
Yugi Inving (0980)
h4 g6 h5 Bg7 d4 Nf6 h6 Bf8
i think black lose time here, because of their knight.
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid, Yugi Inving
Yugi Inving (0980)
h4 e5 h5 h6 e4
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the game is like a normal again. a few differance. which are to white advantage even if he lose time, black cannot push the pawn on g5 or g6 if the game is player well.
Contributors : Yugi Inving
Thibault de Vassal (2522)
h4 e5 a4 d5 g3
Why not a slow developement ? The aim of hypermodern is not to attack at any price h4-h5-h6? but to wait for what opponent will do (most probably in the center)
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Contributors : Thibault de Vassal
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 Bd3
This creates the classic formation for White. If Black plays ...d5, he creates a hole on e5 for the White night. But if he doesn't play ...d5, then White himself can play d5 and then feed the knight onto e6 via d4.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Ne5 Nf6 Bg5 O-O
Simplest and best. Despite White's sub-optimal moves, we shouldn't think Black has achieved equality yet. Fritz rates the position around +0.50.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 exf5 exf5 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Ne5 Nf6 Bg5 O-O c4 c6
A bit timid. Fritz prefers ...Ng4, arriving at an equal position.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Collin Bleak (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8+ Kxd8
Both of White's options are played. Black can choose an active or passive defense versus Bc4, while after Bg5 Black must wait for some time for activity.
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Contributors : Collin Bleak
Collin Bleak (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8+ Kxd8 Bc4 Ke8
This somewhat passive line leaves Black defending for a long time, although according to IM practice, it seems Black can retain the balance.
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Contributors : Collin Bleak
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 dxc5
Black can win back the pawn right away, as he does here. Fritz rates this +1.06, badly overestimating the White position.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 dxc5 Qa5+ c3 Qxc5
Black must take the c5-pawn immediately, also threatening e5.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 e5 Ne7 Bg5 c5 dxc5 Qa5+ c3 Qxc5 Nf3 Nbc6 Be3 Qa5 Ng5 Nxe5 Bd2 N7c6 c4 Bb4 Bxb4 Qxb4+ Qd2
The only way to defend the King and b2 simultaneously.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 Qe8 O-O
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar, Ulrich Imbeck
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5
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Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5
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Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5
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Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ilmars Cirulis (1299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 Qxd4 d5 exd6 Nxd6 Nc3 Nc6 Qf4 Bf5 Bb5 Qe7+ Be3 Nxb5 Nxb5 Qb4+ Qxb4 Bxb4+ c3 Ba5 b4 Bd3 a4 a6 Nbd4 Bb6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxb6 cxb6 O-O-O O-O-O Ne5 Be4 Nxf7 Bxg2 Rxd8+ Rxd8 Nxd8 Bxh1 Ne6
IMO that endgame is won for white.
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Gavin Wilson (1400)
e4 e6 d4 f5 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Ng5
Seems pointless. White should finish his development before moving a piece for a second time.
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Contributors : Gavin Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1690)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1690)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7
A transposition to 6...Be7 7.0-0 Nc6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1690)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bg4
An interesting alternative to the solid Be7, but considered slightly dubious at the master level.
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Graham Cridland (1406)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 Bxf6 Nxf6 g5 Nd7
This pawn offer is the only way to effectively follow up on the kingside. After other moves, Black gets time to pressure the e4-pawn.
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Contributors : Graham Cridland
Graham Cridland (1406)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 Bxf6 Nxf6 g5 Nd7 f5
This pawn offer is the only way to effectively follow up on the kingside. After other moves, Black gets time to pressure the e4-pawn.
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Contributors : Graham Cridland
Ilmars Cirulis (1305)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 Nfd7 Ne4 Qxa2 Rd1 Qd5 Qe3 Qxe5 Be2 Bc5 Bg3 Bxd4 Rxd4 Qa5+ Rd2 O-O Bd6 Re8 O-O f5 Qg3 Nc6 Qg6 Qd8 Bc4 Kh8 Ng5 Qxg5 Qxe8+ Kh7 Bf4 Qg6 Qxg6+ Kxg6 Bxe6 Nf6 Bc4
IMO White's advantage is enough for win.
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Ilmars Cirulis (1522)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bxg7
IMO Nc6 was not the best move
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Sebastiano Paulesu (1969)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Nc6 exf7+
White, certainly, can play simply Nf3 and so transpose in the lines of the Icelandic gambit.
But this move can't be wrong...
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Contributors : Sebastiano Paulesu
Sebastiano Paulesu (1969)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Nc6 exf7+ Kxf7
Black position seem very unhappy: the king exposed, two pawns less, but the lead in developement can give some important chances to attack...
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Contributors : Sebastiano Paulesu
Sebastiano Paulesu (1969)
e4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 dxe6 Nc6 exf7+ Kxf7 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3
This move is very important for the Black's plan.
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Contributors : Sebastiano Paulesu
Alexander Minkin (1882)
e4 c5 b3 Nc6 Bb2 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 d6 Nc3 Be7
6...Be6 7.Nge2! Be7 8.0–0 0–0 9.f4! (That's the way.) 9...exf4 10.Nxf4 Bxc4 11.bxc4 Nd7 12.Ncd5 Nde5 13.Nh5 Re8 14.Qe1 Bh4 15.Qe2 Re6 16.Nhf4 Rh6 17.Ne3 Bg5 18.g3 Rf6 19.Nf5 Qd7 (If 19...Bxf4 20.gxf4! Rg6+ 21.Kh1 Nd7 22.Rg1. I think what I like is that the ideas are simple to understand and very effective. Black is being denied his traditional Sicilian counterplay and forced to engage in a protracted defense of his King.) 20.Qh5 Bh6 21.Nd5
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Contributors : Alexander Minkin
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 Qe8 O-O h6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Mike Hoogland (1760)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5
White exchanges the pawn on c4 for the pawn on c6 (black should take it back with this pawn if black doesn't want to lose any influence in the centre).
As a result, Qb6 after Qb3 on the next move is no longer a strong option. Qxb6 then doubles blacks queenside pawns, leaving them and the b5 square weak. Therefore, after Qb3 black will have to find another way to defend the pawn.
After this, white will try to develop and increase presure on b7 and d5 at the same time.
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Contributors : Mike Hoogland
Mike Hoogland (1760)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Bd7
A very useful move. Black prepares castling long and retains the possibility of playing c5. The immidiate c5 chases away the white knight, but weakens the d5 square. White can then develop accordingly and try to take advantage of this weakness.
They say develop knights before bishops, because the bishop often does not know yet where to go. In this case the bishop knows better where to go than the knight. It only has one good square, because on g4 it can be chased away by the useful move f3. The knight on the other hand could go to d7, f6 or even h6.
Black's bishop pair, his control over d5, the fact that his pawn structure has no weaknesses and the weakness of the white pawn on e4 give black an edge.
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Contributors : Mike Hoogland
Ilmars Cirulis (1543)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 e5 Nfd7 Bc4 O-O e6 Nb6 exf7+ Kh8
Velimirovic - Rajkovic, 1971
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Normajean Yates (1946)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
lead to a more agressive defense for the black
mène a une defense plus agressive pour le noirs, Normajean Yates
Normajean Yates (1946)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
white need to protect the d4 pawn or get out the queen dangerously.
Or to play d5 instead, to transpose into a Benoni finchetto line.
les blancs doivent défendre le pion d4 ou sortir la dame dangereusement.
, Normajean Yates
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 cxd4
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
easy way for black to equalize
une manière facile d'égaliser pour les noirs
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
prepare a great game if the whit play d5 or an even position if they play Bg2
prépare une partie interessante si les blancs jouent d5 ou une position équilibré si ils jouent Fg2
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
avoid a boring game.
évite une partie endormante
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
A GREAT SHOT!!!! force white to accept the benko gambit because the d5 pawn is under attak.
UN EXELENT COUP!!! force les blancs a accepter le gambit benko car le pion d5 est attaqué
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
d6,Ng6 Nxb5 and Nc7 is the next shot for white.
d6,Cg6 Cxb5 et Cc7 est imparable
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6 Bxa6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6 Bxa6 Bg2
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 a6 bxa6 Bxa6 Bg2 d5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6 Nxb5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6 Nxb5 Qb6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 b5 d6 Ng6 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc7+
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
white win the rook and the black king is in bad position
les blancs gagne la tour et le roi noir est en mauvaise posture
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6 Bg2
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 d6 Bg2 b5
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
A GREAT SHOT!!!! force white to accept the benko gambit because the d5 pawn is under attak.
UN EXELENT COUP!!! force les blancs a accepter le gambit benko car le pion d5 est attaqué
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7 O-O
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Simon Lemay (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Bg2 Be7 O-O d6
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Contributors : Simon Lemay
Timothy Mason (1600)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar, Timothy Mason how do i play against someone
Telmo Escobar (2055)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O Nbd7 f4 b5 Bf3 Bb7 e5 Bxf3 Nxf3 b4 exf6 bxc3 fxg7 Bxg7 b3 Qb6+ Kh1 Nf6 f5 e5 Bg5 Qc6 Qe1 h6 Bh4 O-O Rd1 Rfe8
Gligoric-Simagin, Alekhine Memorial 1963. The position is about equal, although Black has some weaknesses that make his position more difficult to deal with. In this kind of situations Gligoric was a true grandmaster and he eventually won the game (1-0 in 56 moves)
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (2055)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O Nbd7 f4 b5 Bf3 Bb7 e5 Bxf3 Nxf3 b4 exf6 bxc3 f5 Qb6+ Kh1 cxb2 Bxb2 Qxb2 fxe6 fxe6 f7+ Kd8 Nd4 Nc5 Rb1
Simagin regarded this position as winning for White. What follows is a try to support that claim.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Timothy Mason (1600)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 b4
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Contributors : Timothy Mason i think that this is a good move
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 Qh5 Bg7
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 Qh5 Bg7 O-O
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 O-O Bg7
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 a4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Telmo Escobar (2076)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 Qh5 Rg8 g3 Nd4 c3 fxe4 Bxe4 Bg4 Qxh7 Rg7 Qh6 Nf3+ Ke2 Ng5+ f3 Nxe4 fxg4 Qc8 Qe3
From the game Beliavsky-Salov, Groningen 1993. White has a minimal positional advantage.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qb1
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 g6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Qg4 g6 Ra2
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Lauri Lahnasalo (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 g6 cxb5
White feels this is good time for exchange.
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Contributors : Lauri Lahnasalo
Lauri Lahnasalo (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 g6 cxb5 a6
Black still thinks he can get counterplay after exchange, but he doesn't see that he has to do the exchange using his own time while white is able to further develod his attack.
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Contributors : Lauri Lahnasalo
Lauri Lahnasalo (1600)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 g6 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 e4
Opens the f1-b5 diagonal for bishop. The spot on b5 is about to become a secure base for attack. White threatens the spot with double attack so black is not able to secure it on time.
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Contributors : Lauri Lahnasalo
Telmo Escobar (2076)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 h5 h4 g4 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Qc2 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bg7 Bg3 Qxd4 Rad1 Qb6 b3 cxb3 axb3 a6 Rd2 Nd7
Suggested by Shipov as a possible improvement.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (2076)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 h5 h4 g4 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Qc2 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bg7 Rad1 O-O Bg3 Nd7 f3 c5 dxc5 Qe7 fxg4 hxg4 Bd6 Qxh4 Rf4 Qh6 Rxg4 Bc6 a4 Qe3+ Kh2 Qh6+ Kg3 Qe3+ Bf3 Nf6 Rxg7+ Kxg7 Qc1 Qxc1 Rxc1 bxa4 Bxf8+
It's time to capture that rook, as Rg8 was threatened.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Jose Fernández Bueno (1769)
Nf3 d5 d3
This move encourage black to attack, but white can play an important tactic them with g3 and after, Bg2.
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Contributors : Jose Fernández Bueno
Telmo Escobar (2076)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d4
Maybe too naive, as now White has a lot of weak light squares in the centre, so Black prospects improve.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (2076)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d4 Re8 Bf4 Nc4 b3
Simple and therefore best.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Ng5 Nxd5 Nxh7 Kxh7 Bxe4+ Kg8 Qh5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Ng5 Nxd5 Nxh7 Kxh7 Bxe4+ Kg8 Qh5 Nf6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Ng5 Nxd5 Nxe4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Ng5 Nxd5 Nxe4 f5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Julien Coll (1672)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4
A popular move, and not only an inversed Sicilian Rossolimo. Because of the reversed colours and the tempo up for White, it leads to particular and typical positions of the English Opening, some of its most important tabyias.
To permit Bxc3 or not to permit Bxc3, that is the big question for White here.
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Contributors : Julien Coll
Sebastian Boehme (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bb5+ Bd7 Bxd7+ Qxd7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd3
Queen has moved a few times, but the arising positions give white a slight advantage.
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Contributors : Sebastian Boehme
Terry Godat (2036)
e4 e5 f4 Nf6 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Ng5 d4 Nxf3+ Qxf3 Qh4+ Qf2 Qxf2+ Kxf2 Nc6 c3 d6 exd6 Bxd6
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Contributors : Terry Godat
Black has pretty well bypassed the middle game. White's advantage, if any, is minimal.
Yugi Inving (0914)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 b3 Qe5+ Ne2 Qxa1 Nec3 Be6
In order to prevent whit play, they will try to put their knight on b3, This move prevent it.
castling and try to exchange the second rook for the queen will take a considerable amout of time.
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Contributors : Yugi Inving
Yugi Inving (0914)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 b3 Qe5+ Ne2 Qxa1 Nec3 Be6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 Nbd7 Qe2 c6 Bd2 O-O-O
Qb2 while only force white to play Bc1, and replay it many times, leading to a draw is not an option.
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Contributors : Yugi Inving
Yugi Inving (0914)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 b3 Qe5+ Ne2 Qxa1 Nec3 Be6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 Nbd7 Qe2 c6 Bd2 O-O-O O-O Nb6 Na3 Qxf1+
This sacrifice remove an important pieces, Two rook are far better then a queen.
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Contributors : Yugi Inving
Ulrich Imbeck (1310)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nc6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Arne Sigvald Engø (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O O-O c4
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Contributors : Arne Sigvald Engø
A very active move aimed at blocking black in his attempts to establish a pawn center.
Telmo Escobar (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Ng4 Bb5 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc6+ Bd7 Bxa8 Nxe3 fxe3 Qxa8
A critical position. In order to understand why a single tempo will be decisive for the evaluation of the position, it's advisable to remember that Siegbert Tarrasch postulated that "two bishops plus a rook are better than two rooks plus a knight". According my oddly uneven experience of near forty years of tournament play, during which I lost to many patzers but beat many masters -and a few grandmasters- as well, I think Tarrasch's axiom is correct most of the time. Indeed, *as most players seem to not know about Tarrasch's axiom*, one of my dirty tricks has been to look for these positions, when my adversary think he -one exchange up- is better, but I -one exchange down- usually know better.
In this position, both Black bishops seem to have excellent prospects and, should my dark bishop be already at g7, I'd be sure that Black has winning prospects.
But it's White turn to move, and...
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 e6 Bc4 Qe7 Ndb5 Be5
What a bishop. Now Black plans to play simply Kf8-g7, etc, and apparently White has little to celebrate.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 Nc6 Bc4 Ne5 Ne6+ Bxe6 Bxe6 Kg8
As simple as that! With his excellently placed minor pieces, Black is little impressed and plan to "castle" by means -in due time- of h7-h6 and Kf8-g7. Let us see a posible continuation.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Bc4 Ng4 Bb5+ Kf8 O-O Nxe3 fxe3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc6 Ba6 Bxa8 Bxf1 Qxf1 Qxa8
Black is a pawn down but this is of no importance in this position. Indeed, Black has "threatening" 15...Bxc3 16.bxc3 Qxe4 or (even!) 16...Kg7 when White, if any, has to play accurately not to going into serious trouble. Remember that pawn weaknesses are particularly serious when there are rooks.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Mark Hailes (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3
White develops the knight and at the same time blocks the attack of black's bishop on the g2 pawn
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Contributors : Mark Hailes
Wilhelm Schuett (1800)
a4
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Contributors : Benjamin Block, Ruddy Franco, Kostis Megalios, Paul Brand Lyard
This opening is the Ware" opening A4
Mr. Ware, US champion in his time, had
won very much games in tournaments with his
rarely,amazing opening....
What do you play after one a opening a4?
Best move isn' t it to play pawn e5 for blacks?
Blacks to play.
Nota bene
Mr.Paul-emmanuel Brand FRA, Aka
"The Sandra LyardVers13061975",
Inventor Annapurna' chess séries variants said
about this Non- orthodoxe, rarely uses in tournaments by players,afer a long time to try and studied this,that was a precious opening because she can create an big surprise attack on column A,for the oponnent after only twelve moves....
Thé " Meadow Hay" Ware opening' is most strongest than WE believe...2021 July 20th.
Paul,Emma&Sandra Brand-Lyard., Wilhelm Schuett
Kostis Megalios (1400)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2
This variation was liked very much by R. J. Fischer who had played this many times with both colours.
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Contributors : Kostis Megalios
Ilmars Cirulis (1632)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Bc4 fxe4 Nxe5 Qg5 d4 Qxg2 Qh5+ g6 Bf7+ Kd8 Bxg6 Qxh1+ Ke2 Qxc1 Nf7+ Ke8 Nxh8+ hxg6 Qxg6+ Kd8 Nf7+ Ke7 Nc3 Qxc2+ Ke1 d6 Nd5+ Kd7 Qxg8 e3 fxe3 Be7 Ng5 Qxb2 Rd1 Bxg5 Qxg5 Kc6 e4 b5 Rc1+ Kb7 Rxc7+ Ka6 Qd8 Bb7 Qxd6+ Ka5 Rxb7 Qc1+ Ke2 Nc6 Qc5 Qxc5 dxc5 Rh8
Imho, two pawns more - it is enough for win of white here.
[edit]
Ok, one pawn. :)
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Contributors : Ilmars Cirulis
Guillaume Moya (1635)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6
Removing the Nxc6 threat, attacking three times the d4 knight and hitting f2 square.
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Contributors : Guillaume Moya
Alexis Marcel (1126)
f3 e5 Kf2
Ouverture joué quelques fois par B. Fischer lors de simultané
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Contributors : Alexis Marcel
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 e5 a3 d5
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Now Black has more space in the important center.
Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 e5 b5 d5
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Now Black has more space in the important center.
Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 a5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 a5 b5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 a5 b5 c5
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Black wants to close the Queenside.
Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Normajean Yates (1946)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6
this seems to equalise.
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Uhlmann's favourite.
Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck, Normajean Yates
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 b5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 b5 Qb4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 b5 Qb4 Qc1
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 b5 Qb4 Qc1 Qxb5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 b5 Qb4 Qc1 Qxb5 e4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5 c4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 Qb6 a3 a5 c4 axb4 c5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5 a3
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5 a3 axb4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5 a3 axb4 axb4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 Rxa1
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 Rxa1 Bxa1
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 Bb2 a5 a3 axb4 axb4 Rxa1 Bxa1 Qb6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 e3
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 e3 Qb6
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 a4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 a4 e5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
b4 c6 c4
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Normajean Yates (1946)
b4 d5 Bb2 Qd6 a3 e5 e3
This allows black to equalise by Be6. Is there an improvement?
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Contributors : Normajean Yates
Sophie Leclerc (1200)
e4 e5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 Ne7
This move is simple too. Ne7 take control of both d5 and f5 sqaure, it also control g6 square which just save from a little Qh5+
As for, Qh5+ g6, The queen is attacked, and you lose the knight
Refuting this is not an easy task. And blakc does have well hidden compensation for the pawn. this opening is gived the rating as the halloween gambit.
Black can not come up with many plans, depending where the knight woulg go, Nf3 just mean you have lost a tempo, Nd3 prevent d4, and Nc4 will cause black to play d5 right away, since they don't want a knight on e3.
the f6 pawn can serve later, in attack, with the moves, g5, -h5 g4- h4.
Black has a little initiative, he must not lose to win the game.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Normajean Yates (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f6 Nxe5 Ne7 Nf3
simple! White is a pawn up, and black has no compensation worth the name.
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Contributors : Normajean Yates
Paul Brand Lyard (1596)
a4 e5
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck, Paul Brand Lyard
Normajean Yates (1946)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6
chessgames.com gives 27-33-40% resp. for white win-draw-loss in this position.
Similarly, chesslab.com gives 27-19-54% for post-1990 games and 30-34-36% for the period 1485(!)-1990. (Chesslab.com (generally, and here too) covers more games 33+75=108 games with this position, but its statistics include games between weaker players or old games - also.)
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Contributors : Normajean Yates
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Be7
Avoiding the double pawn
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
h4 g6 h5 Bg7 d4 c5
Opens the diagonal
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Normajean Yates (1975)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 Nd5
Rybka 3 opening book line. According to the author Jeroen Noomen:
"In 2007 the Poisoned Pawn variation of the Sicilian Najdorf was experiencing a crisis. White players found out that after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Qb6 8.Qd2 Qxb2 9.Rb1 Qa3 the old move 10.e5!? was not so easy for black and they scored a few impressive victories. The Poisoned Pawn finally refuted? Not really! After 10.e5!? h6 11.Bh4 dxe5 12.fxe5 black has a move that gives him full equality: 12... Nd5!
"
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Contributors : Normajean Yates
Sophie Leclerc (1242)
e4 e5 f4 f6
An other way to refuse the king gambit, ta the same time, it offer a gambit of his own.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Sophie Leclerc (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4
A correct knight move, the knight will place himself at d6 then at f5 since the square f5 is a beautiful out post.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Sophie Leclerc (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4 d3 Nd6
Aiming for the f5 out post.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Sophie Leclerc (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4 d3 Nd6 fxg6 hxg6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Nf5
Whit this move, black has now an important treath. the knight manaver f5-d4 and c6-b4 and taking on c2, the classical forks to take a rook.
Of course, White can do something to this treath right away.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Sophie Leclerc (1242)
e4 f5 exf5 Nf6 g4 g6 g5 Ne4 d3 Nd6 fxg6 hxg6 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Nf5 Nf3 d6 Bd2 Bg7 h4 Qd7 Qe2 Ncd4 Qd1 Qe6+ Kf1 Qf7 Nxd4 Ng3+ Kg1 Bxd4 Qf3 Nxh1 Qxf7+ Kxf7 Bxh1 c6 Rb1
A losing move. Just a waste of time.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Sandor Porkolab (1476)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 b6 c3 Qd7 a4
5.a4 aiming for a potential a5 push...
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Contributors : Sandor Porkolab
Sandor Porkolab (1476)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 b6 c3 Qd7 Nf3 Ne7 Bd3 Ba6 a4
7.a4 is still playable - aiming for a a5 push...
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Contributors : Sandor Porkolab
Telmo Escobar (1929)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Qxa2 Rd1 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Ra7 Rf3 Rd7 Bd3 f5 Qh6
Of course 21...fxe4?? is impossible now due to 22.Rg3+ Kf7 23.Qh5+ and mate soon.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Telmo Escobar (1929)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 Qxa2 Rd1 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Ra7 Rf3 Rd7 Bd3 f5 Qh6 Kh8 Ng5 Bc5+ Kh1 Qa5 Rh3 Qc7 Nxe6 Qd6 Nxf8 Qxf8 Rf1 Rf7 Qh5 Qe7
Typical Anand, this is in practice a strong move, as now 29.Bxf5 meets the sardonic 29...e4! with an unsavory pin. White could anyway enter that line, as 30.Rb3 with the idea of R3-b1 seems to be OK. In time trouble, Grischuk couldn´t possibly see that escape.
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Contributors : Telmo Escobar
Sophie Leclerc (1573)
f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 c4 Nf6
The new yugi attack take position after Nc3, he take seiorus claim on d5 and e5 square when we let him play this.
Move strange would be to fianchetto both bishop.
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Contributors : Sophie Leclerc
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 d4
An approach in the mind of the Steinitz Gambit.
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Ulrich Imbeck (1342)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 d4 Bh4+
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Contributors : Ulrich Imbeck
Lauri Lahnasalo (1600)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4
This is called King's english: Nimzowitsch-Flohr variation.
This is Alekhine defense reversed where position differs in that white has played c5.
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Contributors : Lauri Lahnasalo
Alex Savu (1350)
d4 e5 d5 Bc5
Gains space and targets the f2 pawn; also aims for a speedy castling.
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Contributors : Alex Savu
Alex Savu (1350)
d4 e5 d5 Nf6
Pressures the d-pawn, also aims to castle early. Looks less threatening than ...Bc5.
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Contributors : Alex Savu
Alex Savu (1350)
d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nge7
Zilbermints variation. Black aims to post the knight at g6 and recapture the pawn on e5. Not as bad as it might seem. White has tried a number of different moves at this point.
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Contributors : Alex Savu
Luc-Olivier Leclerc (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4
Curions opening, a curious gambit, in which white attack black's centre,
Black has no reason to accept it, but he can just take b4 and not on a3.
This^ opening should called the AudreySophie gambit. Or by my name, if your prefer to be not imaginative...
For now, black does not seem to have any way to bust it. And white trie for a big play everyside of the board.
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc
Luc-Olivier Leclerc (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 b6 g3 Bb7 bxc5 bxc5 Bg2 e6 Na3
In case an unpleasant Qf6, white allow himself to have the move Rb1.
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc
Luc-Olivier Leclerc (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 Nf6 bxc5 e6 Ba3 Nc6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Bxc5 Qb5 Qxb5 cxb5 Nb4 Bxb4 Bxb4 Nxd4 O-O Nc3 Rd8 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Rc1 Nxe5 Be2 Bh3 Kf2 Rd6 Ne4
gaining time.
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc
Luc-Olivier Leclerc (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 Nf6 bxc5 e6 Ba3 Nc6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Bxc5 Qb5 Qxb5 cxb5 Nb4 Bxb4 Bxb4 Nxd4 O-O Nc3 Rd8 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Rc1 Nxe5 Be2 Bh3 Kf2 Rd6 Ne4 Rd7 Rc2 Re7 Rb1
Sure , Rc1 would be good, but, now, white has time....
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc
Luc-Olivier Leclerc (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 Nf6 bxc5 e6 Ba3 Nc6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Bxc5 Qb5 Qxb5 cxb5 Nb4 Bxb4 Bxb4 Nxd4 O-O Nc3 Rd8 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Rc1 Nxe5 Be2 Bh3 Kf2 Rd6 Ne4 Rd7 Rc2 Re7 Rb1 Ba5 Rbc1 Rd8 Kg1 Bb6 Nc5 Rd6 Bf1 Bg4 Bg2 h5 h3 Bd7 Be4 Bxh3 Nxb7 Rxd4 exd4 Bxd4+ Kh2 Ng4+ Kxh3 Rxe4 Nd6 Re2 d3 Re3 Nf5
How to simplify the position, I think
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc
Luc-Olivier Leclerc (1800)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 c4 d4 b4 cxb4 a3 e6 Bb2 Nc6 axb4 Bxb4 e3
Now black has two alternative. but none grant him the safe little advantage.
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Contributors : Luc-Olivier Leclerc
Gregory Kohut (1574)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6
This inaugurates the Taimanov/Paulsen lines of the Sicilian Defense. Black's main idea is to play Qc7 and a6 in some order (although the "pure" Taimanov, with ...a6 and Nge7, is also possible), controlling the dark squares with pieces and the light squares with pawns. The d5 and e6 points are generally less vulnerable than in many variations, leaving white with fewer obvious attacking possibilities. The game therefore can take on an oddly positional character for the Open Sicilian, with White seeking to prove dark squared weaknesses or obtain favorable piece exchanges.
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Contributors : Graham Cridland
Gregory Kohut (1592)
e4 Nc6 d4 e5 dxe5
This is now a line of the Nimzowitsch, though why white would be comfortable with the Nimzowitsch and start with d4 is unknown.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Gregory Kohut (1592)
Nf3 c6 e4 d5 Nc3
Caro-Kann: Two knights variation
A move which may look weak, but one which has stood the test of time and has no hard refutation. Similar to the Mexican defense for black, this c3 knight will often be active, travelling to g3 and then attacking g7 later in many games. Black should resist the urge to force this manoeuvre and instead try to bolster the centre with a quick e6 and kingside development.
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Contributors : Kieran Child
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
William Taylor (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3
The line which is currently causing Arkhangelsk practitioners some problems. Black can quickly run into trouble after Bc5, so he usually plays Be7 instead, leading to less active positions. d3 also strongpoints e4, making black's bishop on b7 look less than optimally placed. The d3 line is a good way of avoiding the sharper variations which arise after Re1 or c3.
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Contributors : William Taylor
William Taylor (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 c3
Simply planning to expand in the centre with d4, which will come with a tempo because the black bishop on c5 will be attacked.
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Contributors : William Taylor
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 e3
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Be7 Bd5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Nf6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 d5
Transpose to wikichess #9842#
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Nf3 Nf6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #2001#
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nc6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 O-O O-O dxc4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 f3 e6
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Be7 Bd5 O-O Bxc6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 Bg4 h3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Bg2
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 Bg4 h3 Bd7 O-O
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6 c3 Bg7
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Nf6 c3 a6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Be7 Bd5 O-O Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb4 Be2 O-O
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 Bg4 h3 Bd7 O-O O-O-O d4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6 c3 Bg7 d4 O-O
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 Be7
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bd6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bd6 d4 Bb7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bd6 d4 Bb7 Bd5 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6 c3 Bg7 d4 O-O Ne5 Bf5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 Bg4 h3 Bd7 O-O O-O-O d4 Nf6 d5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 f3 e6 e4 dxe4
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 d5
Transpose to wikichess #9553#
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7 c4 Na6
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 cxd5
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 g6 d4 f5 exf5
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 d4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 dxe5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O g6 c3 Bg7 d4 O-O Ne5 Bf5 Nd2 Qc7
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Qh5 d3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 cxd5 exd5 e3
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7 c4 Na6 Be2 g6
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 d3
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 g6 d4 f5 exf5 gxf5 Qh5
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 f4 e5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7 c4 Na6 Be2 g6 Nc3 Bg7
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 cxd5 exd5 e3 Be7 Bd3
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 d3 Bc5 e5
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 d3 Bc5 e5 Nd5 Qg4
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 d3 Bc5 e5 Nd5 Qg4 O-O Bh6
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 e5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 f3 e6 e4 dxe4 fxe4 Bb4
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 Bxf6 Nxf6 f3 e6 e4 dxe4 fxe4 Bb4 Qf3 Qxd4
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 cxd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2084)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6 f4 e5 Qf3 Nf6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7 c4 Na6 Be2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3 Nb4
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 cxd5 exd5 e3 Be7 Bd3 O-O Qc2
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Qe2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 e3 g6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7 c4 Na6 Be2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3 Nb4 a3 Na6
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3 d5 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #9472#
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bd6 d4 Bb7 Bd5 O-O Bxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Qh5 d3 O-O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
c4 c5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 Qh5 d3 O-O-O Be3 c4 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Na3 Nf6 Nb5 O-O Be3 Qc6 Nfd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5 Ra1 Rfc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2084)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e3 e5 Bxc4 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Nf3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 e3 g6 Be2 d5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Stanimir Denchev (1713)
d4 c5 d5 d6 e4 Bd7 c4 Na6 Be2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3 Nb4 a3 Na6 O-O Nf6
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 e3 g6 Be2 d5 O-O Bg7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Patucci Simoni (1800)
Nf3 b6 g3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Kazimierz Bester (1196)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 e3 g6 Be2 d5 O-O Bg7 c3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #10935#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Bester
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Be7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Be7 Nc3 d6 d4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Be7 Nc3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2084)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Qa5
Transpose to wikichess #2000#
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bb4 a3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1 Bc8 c3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 d3
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
Nc3 Nf6 e4 e5 Bb5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 d3 Nf6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bc4 h6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 d3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Qa4
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 e4 Nd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2084)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 d3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 e4 Nd4 d6 Be2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Ti Coimbra (1160)
Nc3 Nf6 e4 e5 Bb5 Bb4 g4 h6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
Nc3 Nf6 e4 e5 Bb5 Bb4 g4 h6 Nf3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 e4 Nd4 d6 Be2 c5 Nc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O b5 Bb3
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1 Bc8 c3 Be6 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qd3 Nc6 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O b5 Bb3 f6 Qh5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe7
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 d3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Qa4 O-O Nbd2
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Simone Toro (1138)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 c6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1158)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bc5 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Gregory Kohut (1715)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim, Gregory Kohut
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O b5 Bb3 f6 Qh5 g6 Qd5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6 Qe2 c6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe7 Be2 Nb4
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
Nc3 Nf6 e4 e5 Bb5 Bb4 g4 h6 Nf3 Bc5 Nxe5 O-O
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 d3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Qa4 O-O Nbd2 Bg4 Nh4
============
Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1 Bc8 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Ng3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Simon Huxtable (1336)
d4 Nf6 c3 d5
Transpose to wikichess #10638#
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1 Bc8 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Ng3 Nd7 Be3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nd2 dxe4 Nxe4
Transpose to wikichess #714#
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 c5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Be7 d4 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 d6 d3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 c5 Rb1 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 d6 d3 Nge7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 d6 d3 Nge7 Nf3 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 Nxd5 Ne5
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Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Nf3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 O-O d3 Ng4 Qxg4 g6 Qe2 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O
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Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7 Qc2 Nc6
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 cxd5 Bxf1
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Be7 d4 O-O Nge2 e4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd3
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Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 Bd2 Nxc3
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Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 d6 d4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 d5 exd5 exd5 Qe7 Be2 Nb4 O-O Bd7
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Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 cxd5
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4 Nc3 d5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 d3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Be7 Nc3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 O-O
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 Nf6 g4 Nxg4 e4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7 Qc2 Nc6 e4 e5
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bc4 d6 O-O Nf6 Re1
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nc3 Nbc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nc3 Nbc6 Ncb5 Nxe5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 b6 Bg2
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7 Qc2 Nc6 e4 e5 d5 Nd4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 Bd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Ba5
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Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Ti Coimbra (1160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nd4 c3
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Contributors : Ti Coimbra
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 O-O
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 O-O Be7 Nc3
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6 Nh4 e5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 cxd5 f4 Re3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 d6 d3 Nge7 Nf3 O-O O-O Bg4 a3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7 Qc2 Nc6 e4 e5 d5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 Nf6 g4 Nxg4 e4 d6 Be2
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O g3 d5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 d3 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 Bc5 Bg2 d6 d3 Nge7 Nf3 O-O O-O Bg4 a3 a5 Rb1
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 a6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 a6 h3 Bg7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 a6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 a6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O Nf3 Nh5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 a6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O Nf3 Nh5 Bd3 Ng3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 a6 h3 Bg7 f4 O-O Nf3 Nh5 Bd3 Ng3 Rg1 f5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1951)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 d5 exd5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1972)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Be7 Nf3 O-O O-O dxc4
Transpose to wikichess #1392#
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nf3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nf3 g6 g3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e4 dxe4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nbd2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1968)
c4 e5 a3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nbd2 Nc5 Rb1
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simon Huxtable (1336)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 Nxd5 Ne5 O-O Bd3
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Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1 Nc6 Ne5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 cxd5 f4 Re3 Bxd5 Rd3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jimmy Huggins (1963)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2036)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2036)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 Nxe5 Nxe4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O Nc6 d4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1 Nc6 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Zeckarias (1132)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Bc4
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Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1 Nc6 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bd7 exd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1 Nc6 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bd7 exd5 exd5 Bh5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6 Nh4 e5 d5 cxd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1 Nc6 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bd7 exd5 exd5 Bh5 Qa3 Re3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qd6 Na3 b5 c3
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 c5 e3 Nd5 Bg3 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 d5 Nf3 Qa5 Qd2 c4 e4 e6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rfe1 Nc6 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bd7 exd5 exd5 Bh5 Qa3 Re3 g6 Rh3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6 Nh4 e5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6 Nh4 e5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Nxg6 hxg6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6 Nh4 e5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 Bxd5 Rab8
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 dxc4 a4 Bf5 e3 e6 Bxc4 Bb4 O-O O-O Qe2 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Rd1 Nbd7 e4 Qe7 g4 Bg6 Nh4 e5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 Bxd5 Rab8 Be3 Bc5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Be7 d4 O-O Nge2 e4 O-O b6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7 Qc2 Nc6 e4 e5 d5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 b4 Bc8
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 f3 a5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 f3 a5 Bc4 Qc7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 f3 a5 Bc4 Qc7 Ne3 Rd8
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 f3 a5 Bc4 Qc7 Ne3 Rd8 Rac1 d5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2045)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bg5 Be7 O-O Qc7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O Kh1 b4 Nd1 h6 Bd2 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 f3 a5 Bc4 Qc7 Ne3 Rd8 Rac1 d5 exd5 exd5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 d3 O-O O-O d6 h3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 d3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Na5 a4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 f5 Bg2 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Be7 d4 O-O Nge2 e4 O-O b6 f3 exf3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7 Bd3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Weglicki Slawomir (2130)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3
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Contributors : Antonio Palacios, Weglicki [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2019.10.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Węglicki Sławomir"]
[Black "Węglicki Sławomir"]
[Result "*"]
[TimeControl "40/5400+30"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 *
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1 Bc8 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Ng3 Nd7 Be3 Rc8 b4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4 Ng5 e5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4 Ng5 e5 Nxe4 Qxe4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4 Ng5 e5 Nxe4 Qxe4 d6 Nd7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4 Ng5 e5 Nxe4 Qxe4 d6 Nd7 Na5 Rb8
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4 Ng5 e5 Nxe4 Qxe4 d6 Nd7 Na5 Rb8 f3 Qf5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2054)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 e3 c5 Nd2 Qb6 Ngf3 Qxb2 Rb1 Qxa2 dxc5 Qa5 Bb5 Bd7 c4 a6 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Nxc5 cxd5 Qa4 Nb3 Nfe4 Ng5 e5 Nxe4 Qxe4 d6 Nd7 Na5 Rb8 f3 Qf5 Bg3 g6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4 Nc4 Qg5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4 Nc4 Qg5 Qb6 h5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4 Nc4 Qg5 Qb6 h5 Qc5 Nd5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4 Nc4 Qg5 Qb6 h5 Qc5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4 Nc4 Qg5 Qb6 h5 Qc5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 hxg6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2062)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nc6 Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Ne5 Bb3 Rb8 O-O-O b5 Bh6 O-O h4 Nc4 Qg5 Qb6 h5 Qc5 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxg7 Kxg7 hxg6 Nf6 Qh6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 d3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Na5 a4 Nxc4 dxc4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qd6 Na3 b5 c3 c5 Nc2
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Rd1 d6 b3 Bf6 Bb2 Qe7 Qc2 Nc6 e4 e5 d5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 b4 Bc8 Qd3 Qc7
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 c5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 Nf6 g4 Nxg4 e4 d6 Be2 Nf6 Nc3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qd6 Na3 b5 c3 c5 Nc2 Bb7 a4
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O Nbd2 h6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5 a4 b4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5 a4 b4 e4 Ba6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nc7 Bxc6 dxc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7 Bd3 Nd7 Ng5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Qxd5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5 a4 b4 e4 Ba6 Qc2 b3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 O-O Nf3 c5 Qd2 Nc6 dxc5 Nxc5 Qe3 a6 a3 Rd8 Rd1 Nd7 b4 Nf8 Na4 b5 Nc5 Qc7 Bd3 Nd7 Ng5 Nf8 O-O
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Na3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc7
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 Nf6 dxe5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5 Ra1 Rfc8 f4 h6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O Nc6 d4 d6 c3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nc7 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 Ne6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Na3 cxb5 Nxb5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc7 e4 Nc6
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5 a4 b4 e4 Ba6 Qc2 b3 Qc3 Nf6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 a5 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Ng5 Bc4 Ra4 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Nc3 b5 Ra1 Rfc8 f4 h6 Nf3 Nxe4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Nxd4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5 a4 b4 e4 Ba6 Qc2 b3 Qc3 Nf6 Nbd2 e6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O Nc6 d4 d6 c3 Qe7 Qb3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O Nc6 d4 d6 c3 Qe7 Qb3 h6 Re1
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf3 Nc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (2057)
e4 c5 g3 Nc6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #957#
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Bd7
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Na3 cxb5 Nxb5 Bc5 a4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc7 e4 Nc6 Nf3 e5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O c6 Na3 cxb5 Nxb5 Bc5 a4 Ne7 Qe2
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O Nbd2 h6 a3 Re8
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 O-O
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 O-O e3 c6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 O-O Qxe4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 O-O e3 c6 Be2 Nbd7
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 Nbd7
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 O-O e3 c6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O Nh5
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 b5 a4
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 e5
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 b5 a4 bxa4 Nxa4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 dxe5 dxe5 e4 c6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5 bxc5 Be7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5 bxc5 Be7 Qa4 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Qb6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2089)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O Nb6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #15687#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3 Qxa3 Nxa3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3 Qxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 Rfc1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3 Qxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 Rfc1 Rab8 b3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3 Qxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 Rfc1 Rab8 b3 Rfc8 Rc3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8 Qxd5 Nb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3 Qxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 Rfc1 Rab8 b3 Rfc8 Rc3 h5 Rac1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O Bd6 Bb4 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qa3 Qxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 Rfc1 Rab8 b3 Rfc8 Rc3 h5 Rac1 Rb6 Nb1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Vadim Khachaturov (2333)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 Nf1 Bc8 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Ng3 Nd7 Be3 Rc8 b4 Nb6 Qb3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2089)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 Qa5 Bd2 Nbc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5 Nc3 d6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5 Nc3 d6 Na4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Qb6 dxc5 Bxc5 Nc3 d6 Na4 Qc7 Nxc5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6 Rh3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5 bxc5 Be7 Qa4 O-O Rac1 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1833)
c4 e5 g3 c6 d4 e4 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Nxd4 Bg5 Nc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O Nbd2 h6 a3 Re8 Nf1 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1904)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 Bb4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 b6 cxb6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1904)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1904)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Bd2 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Bd2 Nbd7 h3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e3 O-O g3 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 Bb4 Nbd2 Nc6 a3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1904)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Bd2 Nbd7 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Bd2 Nbd7 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1904)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Bd2 Nbd7 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 b4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5 bxc5 Be7 Qa4 O-O Rac1 Rfe8 Rfd1 Bf8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Qd2 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6 Rh3 Nc6 h5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6 O-O-O Bxc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nd7 Na5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8 Qxd5 Nb4 Qxd6 Nxd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 c5 Bxe7 Kxe7 Nf3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 b6 a3 c4 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Nb2 Rc8 Qc2 h6 Rh3 Nc6 h5 Rg8 Nd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5 bxc5 Be7 Qa4 O-O Rac1 Rfe8 Rfd1 Bf8 Rb1 g4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc7 e4 Nc6 Nf3 e5 O-O Be7
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O cxd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8 Qxd5 Nb4 Qxd6 Nxd3 Kd2 exd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Nikolay Timkin (1926)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Bd7 Bc4 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #2104#
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bf3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bf3 Nd7 Bg3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 Bb4 Nbd2 Nc6 a3 Nxd2 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Qxf3 gxf3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nd7 Na5 Nb6 Nc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6 O-O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Rh7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Qd2 O-O a5 Rf7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8 Qxd5 Nb4 Qxd6 Nxd3 Kd2 exd6 Kxd3 Rxb2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Bd2 g5 c5 b6 b4 Qc7 g3 Nbd7 Bg2 e5 O-O bxc5 bxc5 Be7 Qa4 O-O Rac1 Rfe8 Rfd1 Bf8 Rb1 g4 Bf1 a5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 e3 Bg4 Qb3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 Bb4 Nbd2 Nc6 a3 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bxd2 Qxd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #19873#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5 cxd5 O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5 cxd5 O-O Bg5 c6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5 cxd5 O-O Bg5 c6 O-O cxd5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5 cxd5 O-O Bg5 c6 O-O cxd5 Nxd5 Be6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5 cxd5 O-O Bg5 c6 O-O cxd5 Nxd5 Be6 Bc4 h6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2056)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 a3 d6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Be2 exd5 cxd5 O-O Bg5 c6 O-O cxd5 Nxd5 Be6 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8 Qxd5 Nb4 Qxd6 Nxd3 Kd2 exd6 Kxd3 Rxb2 Nd2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Nb3 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 b6 O-O O-O Bd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 g6 Bg2
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Bd3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Nd5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Nf3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O cxd4 exd4 Be7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2 Qd6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2 Qd6 Nbd2 Bd7 Ng5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2 Qd6 Nbd2 Bd7 Ng5 Qe7 Rfb1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2 Qd6 Nbd2 Bd7 Ng5 Qe7 Rfb1 b5 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2 Qd6 Nbd2 Bd7 Ng5 Qe7 Rfb1 b5 Bxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2111)
e4 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O O-O axb4 Bxb4 c3 Bc5 d3 d6 Ba3 a6 Bxc5 dxc5 Qa2 Qd6 Nbd2 Bd7 Ng5 Qe7 Rfb1 b5 Bxf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Qxf7 Nxf7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2172)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 a6
Transpose to wikichess #20219#
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3 Bxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bf3 Nd7 Bg3 Qb6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 g3 c5 Bg2 Nc7 e4 Nc6 Nf3 e5 O-O Be7 d3 Be6
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Bd3 f5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Bd6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5 b5 Be3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5 b5 Be3 Bxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5 b5 Be3 Bxd5 exd5 Qa5 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5 b5 Be3 Bxd5 exd5 Qa5 Bxd4 exd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5 b5 Be3 Bxd5 exd5 Qa5 Bxd4 exd4 Qxd4 Bd8 Be2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2192)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 c4 Be6 N1c3 a6 Na3 Be7 Nc2 Rc8 g3 Nf6 h4 O-O Ne3 Nd4 Ned5 b5 Be3 Bxd5 exd5 Qa5 Bxd4 exd4 Qxd4 Bd8 Be2 Bb6 Qf4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qf6 dxe5 Qxe5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Nf3 Qd6 Nxe5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qf6 dxe5 Qxe5 Nf3 Qa5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1904)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 h3 Ne8
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Rd1 Qc2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Nb3 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 b6 O-O O-O Bd3 Bb7 Qe2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Qxf3 gxf3 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Qd2 O-O a5 Rf7 Rfd1 Kh7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Bd6 Bg5 Qc7
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Nf3 Qd6 Nxe5 Qxe5 Nc3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Bd3 f5 Nf3 fxe4 Nxe4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qf6 dxe5 Qxe5 Nf3 Qa5 Bg2 Bb4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d4 Ne7 h4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 e3 Bg4 Qb3 Qc7 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qf6 dxe5 Qxe5 Nf3 Qa5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 Bb4 Nbd2 Nc6 a3 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O Rd1
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 b6 d4 Qh4 g3 Qf6 dxe5 Qxe5 Nf3 Qa5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 O-O Ba6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Rd1 Qc2 Nd4 Qxc1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6 O-O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Rh7 Rxh7 Qxh7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O cxd4 exd4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Re1
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bf3 Nd7 Bg3 Qb6 Qd2 O-O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 Nf3 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Rd1 Qc2 Nd4 Qxc1 Raxc1 Be4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Nh5 Be5 Bg4 Qb3 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qxb7 Qd6 Qb3 Rab8 Qxd5 Nb4 Qxd6 Nxd3 Kd2 exd6 Kxd3 Rxb2 Nd2 Bf5 Ke2 Re8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 f4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Nb3 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 b6 O-O O-O Bd3 Bb7 Qe2 Rfe8 Bg3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Bd3 f5 Nf3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Nf3 Qd6 Nxe5 Qxe5 Nc3 Bf5 f4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1635)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 Nf6 e5 Ne4 O-O
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 Nd7 e3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Rd1 Qc2 Nd4 Qxc1 Raxc1 Be4 Nd6 Bd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d4 Ne7 h4 O-O h5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 Nc3 O-O f4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 Nd5 Rb8 fxe5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Simon Huxtable (1396)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Ne7 O-O c5 dxc5 Nec6 Be3 Nd7 c4 dxc4 Na3 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nxc4 O-O Qc1 Nd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Rd1 Qc2 Nd4 Qxc1 Raxc1 Be4 Nd6 Bd5 Nxc6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Qd2 O-O a5 Rf7 Rfd1 Kh7 Be3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1 Nd8 Nc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Nb3 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 b6 O-O O-O Bd3 Bb7 Qe2 Rfe8 Bg3 Qc6 h3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 c3 d5
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 Nd7 e3 e6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 O-O Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Simon Huxtable (1396)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nh6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bf3 Nd7 Bg3 Qb6 Qd2 O-O-O O-O-O b4 Ne2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simon Huxtable (1396)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bc5 Nf3 d6 g3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5 Nd7 Bh4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5 Nd7 Bh4 d4 e5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5 Nd7 Bh4 d4 e5 Rfe8 Bg3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5 Nd7 Bh4 d4 e5 Rfe8 Bg3 a5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5 Nd7 Bh4 d4 e5 Rfe8 Bg3 a5 Qd2 a4 Bf4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d5 d3 Bg4 Nbd2 Nf6 Qe2 e6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O c4 Qc7 Bg5 Nd7 Bh4 d4 e5 Rfe8 Bg3 a5 Qd2 a4 Bf4 Rab8 Rab1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 h3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 g5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5 O-O Nc7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5 O-O Nc7 Ne4 Nxa8
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5 O-O Nc7 Ne4 Nxa8 Bxa8 Ne5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5 O-O Nc7 Ne4 Nxa8 Bxa8 Ne5 Nc6 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5 O-O Nc7 Ne4 Nxa8 Bxa8 Ne5 Nc6 Nxc6 Bxc6 Be5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2262)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Be7 d5 exd5 exd5 cxd5 Nxb5 O-O Nc7 Ne4 Nxa8 Bxa8 Ne5 Nc6 Nxc6 Bxc6 Be5 Bc5 Bd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1 Nd8 Nc3 c6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Huxtable (1396)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nh6 Nf3 c5 h3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Simon Huxtable (1396)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nh6 Nf3 c5 h3 Be7 dxc5
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Simon Huxtable (1396)
e4 c6 f4 d5 e5 Bf5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nh6 Nf3 c5 h3 Be7 dxc5 Bh4 Ke2
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 Qe2 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d4 Ne7 h4 O-O h5 d5 hxg6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Bd3 f5 Nf3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 Nfg5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1635)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 Nf6 g3 dxe4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1635)
c4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1635)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bd3 Nf6 e5 Ne4 O-O d5 c4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6 O-O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Rh7 Rxh7 Qxh7 Qe3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O Be2 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bb4 c3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Nb3 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 b6 O-O O-O Bd3 Bb7 Qe2 Rfe8 Bg3 Qc6 h3 Nc5 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1 Nd8 Nc3 c6 Ne2 Ne6 Ng3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1 Nd8 Nc3 c6 Ne2 Ne6 Ng3 Qd8 Bg4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bf3 Nd7 Bg3 Qb6 Qd2 O-O-O O-O-O b4 Ne2 Ba6 Kb1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Nb3 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 a4 Be7 Be2 h6 Bh4 b6 O-O O-O Bd3 Bb7 Qe2 Rfe8 Bg3 Qc6 h3 Nc5 Nxc5 bxc5 e5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 b3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 b3 Nf6 d3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 c3 d5 e3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 b3 Nf6 d3 d5 Qf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 b3 Nf6 d3 d5 Qf3 Nc6 Nh3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 b3 Nf6 d3 d5 Qf3 Nc6 Nh3 dxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nd7 Na5 Nb6 Nc6 Bd8 f4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 b3 Nf6 d3 d5 Qf3 Nc6 Nh3 dxe4 dxe4 Bg4 Qg3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 c3 d5 e3 Nc6 c4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5 Ra7 Rb3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 e3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 c3 d5 e3 Nc6 c4 cxd4 cxd5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 Nd7 e3 e6 Bd3 Ne7 O-O
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Qd2 O-O a5 Rf7 Rfd1 Kh7 Be3 Qc7 Kh1 Qc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
c4 c5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #21819#
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 Nd7 e3 e6 Bd3 Ne7 O-O Bg4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 c3 d5 e3 Nc6 c4 cxd4 cxd5 Bb4 Nbd2 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1 Nd8 Nc3 c6 Ne2 Ne6 Ng3 Qd8 Bg4 Nd4 b4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Steve Lim (2112)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Bc5 Be2 O-O Nf3 d6 O-O Nc6 d3 h6 Be3 Bg4 Rc1 Bxf3 Bxf3 a5 Nb5 Re8 a3 Qd7 Rb1 Nd8 Nc3 c6 Ne2 Ne6 Ng3 Qd8 Bg4 Nd4 b4 axb4 axb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf3 Bg4 Be3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5 Ra7 Rb3 Qxa2 Nec3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nd7 Na5 Nb6 Nc6 Bd8 f4 Nxf4 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e6 d4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 Bd3 f5 Nf3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 Nfg5 Nxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bb4 c3 Ba5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1800)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 Nf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Qc7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nd7 Na5 Nb6 Nc6 Bd8 f4 Nxf4 Bxf4 exf4 h4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1668)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 a6 Be2
Transpose to wikichess #10566#
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5 Ra7 Rb3 Qxa2 Nec3 Qa5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 e3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 e3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3 c6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5 Ra7 Rb3 Qxa2 Nec3 Qa5 Bc4 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5 Ra7 Rb3 Qxa2 Nec3 Qa5 Bc4 Be7 O-O Nc6 Nxe7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6 O-O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Rh7 Rxh7 Qxh7 Qe3 Bd7 Qg5 Qg6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Ng3 Qb6 Bxf6 Qxb2 Nge2 gxf6 Rb1 Qa3 Nd5 Ra7 Rb3 Qxa2 Nec3 Qa5 Bc4 Be7 O-O Nc6 Nxe7 Kxe7 Nd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 e3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3 c6 cxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd3 O-O Nf3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 e5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 b5 a4 b4 e4 Ba6 Qc2 b3 Qc3 Nf6 Nbd2 e6 Bxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 a6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Bd4 exf3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Bd4 exf3 O-O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Bd4 exf3 O-O-O O-O g5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Bd4 exf3 O-O-O O-O g5 hxg5 hxg5 Ng4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 h6 Qd2 Be7 h4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e4 Bd4 exf3 O-O-O O-O g5 hxg5 hxg5 Ng4 Qd3 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4 e6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Bc4 d6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Nxe5 Qe7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4 e6 cxd5 exd5 b4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 a6 Be2 Qc7
Transpose to wikichess #19265#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 Nd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 Nd4 O-O f3 c5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 Nd4 O-O f3 c5 Rd2 Qf7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 Nd4 O-O f3 c5 Rd2 Qf7 Nf5 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2265)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c6 Bg5 d5 Nc3 Ne4 Bf4 f6 Qd3 Qb6 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Qxb2 Rc1 Qxa2 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 e5 dxe5 Be7 exf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 Nd4 O-O f3 c5 Rd2 Qf7 Nf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Rad8
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Nxe5 Qe7 Nf3 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4 e6 cxd5 exd5 b4 Bd6 Qa4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Bc4 d6 f3 Ne5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7 dxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be7 Ng3 g6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 O-O Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Qd2 O-O a5 Rf7 Rfd1 Kh7 Be3 Qc7 Kh1 Qc6 f3 Bf8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1501)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Nxe5 Qe7 Nf3 Qxe4 Be2 Nd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1798)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 e3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O h3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Qe2 b5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Nxe5 Qe7 Nf3 Qxe4 Be2 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Bc4 d6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 Nd7 e3 e6 Bd3 Ne7 O-O Bg4 Nbd2 Ng6 Bg3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4 e6 cxd5 exd5 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Nbd7 g3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Nxe5 Qe7 Nf3 Qxe4 Be2 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O d5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf3 Bf5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 c3 d5 e3 Nc6 c4 cxd4 cxd5 Bb4 Nbd2 Qxd5 Bxf6 dxe3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4 e6 cxd5 exd5 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Nbd7 g3 O-O Qd1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 Nxe5 Qe7 Nf3 Qxe4 Be2 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O d5 c3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf3 Bf5 Bxd5 cxd5 Re3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf3 Bf5 Bxd5 cxd5 Re3 Be4 Rxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 e5 O-O Be6 Re1 Bxd6 d3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qa4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e3 d5 b3 Nf6 c4 e6 cxd5 exd5 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Nbd7 g3 O-O Qd1 Bxb4 Qb3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Steve Lim (2112)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 Qd3 Rxg7 g3 c5 h4 Nc6 hxg5 Qxg5 Nf3 c4 Qe2 Qg6 O-O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Rh7 Rxh7 Qxh7 Qe3 Bd7 Qg5 Qg6 Qh4 Qg7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Be7 e5
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 Be2
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 c5 Qf4
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Mykola Simashkevitch (1968)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qa4 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 Be2 Be6 O-O
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Kxe7 Ne2
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Nf6 e5 c5 Qf4 g5 Qf3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Ne2 Nh5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Kxe7 Ne2 Nc6 c3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 Be2 Be6 O-O Nbd7 Re1
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Joop Simmelink (2095)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nc6 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Bg4 e3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Bg4 e3 Nf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Bg4 e3 Nf6 Bb5 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simon Huxtable (1396)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bf5 Bf4 Nd7 e3 e6 Bd3 Ne7 O-O Bg4 Nbd2 Ng6 Bg3 Nf6 c4
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Joop Simmelink (2095)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 Bg4 e3 Nf6 Bb5 O-O Nc3 Nb4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Bc4 d6 Nh3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Bc5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Bc5 Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bd6 dxe5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Nd2 Nbc6 N2f3 a6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 Bd3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 O-O b6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 d6
Transpose to wikichess #10810#
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Bc4 c5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Simone Calvello (1648)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1683)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 c6
Transpose to wikichess #11575#
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Ne2 Nh5 Nc1 Nf4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 Be7 Be2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Bc4 c5 c3 cxd4
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Bc4 c5 c3 cxd4 Qxd4 Qxd4
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 e6 Nf3 Nge7 O-O b6 e5 d5
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Contributors : Simone Calvello
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5 dxe5 O-O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5 dxe5 O-O-O Qg6 g4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1648)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 d5 O-O
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Contributors : Simone Calvello
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Bc4 c5 c3 cxd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 cxd4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5 dxe5 O-O-O Qg6 g4 h6 f4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4 dxc4 Bxc4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2089)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 Nbd7 Nc3 e5 e4 c6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Re1 a6 Bf1 b5 a3 Re8 Be3 Bb7 h3 h6 Qc2 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Ne2 Nh5 Nc1 Nf4 b4 Ne6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 c6
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 c6 Nc3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5 dxe5 O-O-O Qg6 g4 h6 f4 Bxg4 Rdg1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3 d4 Na4
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf1 Qh6 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5 dxe5 O-O-O Qg6 g4 h6 f4 Bxg4 Rdg1 f5 Nf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf1 Qh6 Re1 Kh8 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h4 Nxe5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Na6 e3 d6 Nh3 Qh6 Be2 Nc6 Qd2 Be5 Bxe5 dxe5 O-O-O Qg6 g4 h6 f4 Bxg4 Rdg1 f5 Nf2 Qd6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6 Nd2 Ng7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6 Nd2 Ng7 Qd3 Be6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6 Nd2 Ng7 Qd3 Be6 b3 Rad8
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6 Nd2 Ng7 Qd3 Be6 b3 Rad8 Qf3 Bf5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6 Nd2 Ng7 Qd3 Be6 b3 Rad8 Qf3 Bf5 g4 Bc8
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2245)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 dxe5 Be7 O-O Nc5 Be2 Ne6 c3 c6 Nd4 O-O Qc2 c5 Nf5 Nc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f4 g6 Nd2 Ng7 Qd3 Be6 b3 Rad8 Qf3 Bf5 g4 Bc8 Qg3 f5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6 a3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Re4 g5 Qf1 Qh6 Re1 Kh8 a4 Nf4 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3 d4 Na4 e5 Nf3
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O Nd7 Kh1 Qg5 Rf4 e5 Nd5 exd4 Qxd4 Bc5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qb3 g6 Nc3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Ne5
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Ne5 c6 Nc4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 c6 Nc3 Nbd7 Re1 e5
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qb3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 cxd5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Ne5 c6 Nc4 Qc7 Qf3
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Simone Calvello (1648)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc4
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Contributors : Simone Calvello
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3 d4 Na4 e5 Nf3 Bxb4 c3
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3 d4 Na4 e5 Nf3 Bxb4 c3 dxc3 dxc3
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3 d4 Na4 e5 Nf3 Bxb4 c3 dxc3 dxc3 Qxd1 Kxd1
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1683)
e4 c6 b4 d5 Nc3 d4 Na4 e5 Nf3 Bxb4 c3 dxc3 dxc3 Qxd1 Kxd1 Bd6 c4
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 a5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qb3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 cxd5 cxd5 Bg5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Simone Calvello (1648)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 d5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4
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Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1648)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 d5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Jimmy Huggins (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nd4
Transpose to wikichess #28577#
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qb3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 cxd5 cxd5 Bg5 e6 e3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 a5 a3 a4
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O Nge7 Re1
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 d3 O-O
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e3
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qb3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 cxd5 cxd5 Bg5 e6 e3 O-O Be2
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1763)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 a5 a3 a4 Ba2 Qd6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6 a3 h6 Nc3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 cxd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Simone Calvello (1648)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7 Be2 d5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O Re1
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Contributors : Simone Calvello
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6 a3 h6 Nc3 a6 Re1
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3 Re8 Bg5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6 a3 h6 Nc3 a6 Re1 Qd7 d5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3 Rc8 Kb1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3 Rc8 Kb1 b5 Rhe1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3 Rc8 Kb1 b5 Rhe1 Nc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3 Rc8 Kb1 b5 Rhe1 Nc4 Bxc4 Qxc4 Bg5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3 Rc8 Kb1 b5 Rhe1 Nc4 Bxc4 Qxc4 Bg5 b4 axb4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2280)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 O-O-O h6 Be3 h5 h4 Ne5 Qg3 Qc7 Be2 Bd7 a3 Rc8 Kb1 b5 Rhe1 Nc4 Bxc4 Qxc4 Bg5 b4 axb4 Qxb4 Nb3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8 Bc2 cxd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8 Bc2 cxd4 cxd4 Na5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8 Bc2 cxd4 cxd4 Na5 b4 Nc4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8 Bc2 cxd4 cxd4 Na5 b4 Nc4 Nb3 Bc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8 Bc2 cxd4 cxd4 Na5 b4 Nc4 Nb3 Bc6 Qe2 Nf8
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2255)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 c3 Nc6 Bd3 d5 e5 Nd7 Bb5 e6 O-O Be7 d4 O-O Be3 a6 Bd3 b5 Nbd2 Bb7 a3 Re8 Bc2 cxd4 cxd4 Na5 b4 Nc4 Nb3 Bc6 Qe2 Nf8 Bd2 Ng6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O O-O d6 c4 c6 Nc3 Nbd7 Re1 e5 e3 e4
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7 Bc5 Bf8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7 Bc5 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7 Bc5 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 Qh6 Kg8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3 Re8 Bg5 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 Nf6 O-O Bd6 h3 O-O d4 Bf5 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 Nc6 a3 h6 Nc3 a6 Re1 Qd7 d5 Na5 Ba2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 c5 g3 Nc6 Ngf3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O Nge7 Re1 b6 c3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1810)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 Qxd4 d5 exd6 Nxd6 Nc3 Nc6 Qf4 g6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nb3 a5 Be3 a4 Nbd2 Bd7 Rc1 Qb7 Nf1 a3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nb3 a5 Be3 a4 Nbd2 Bd7 Rc1 Qb7 Nf1 a3 b3 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4 Be4 Nxa1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 cxd5 exd5 Qc2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4 Be4 Nxa1 Bf4 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4 Be4 Nxa1 Bf4 f6 Nd2 Rad8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 cxd5 exd5 Qc2 Nf6 Bg5
Transpose to wikichess #12608#
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7 Bc5 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 Qh6 Kg8 Rd2 Be6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4 Be4 Nxa1 Bf4 f6 Nd2 Rad8 exf6 Rxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2 Na4 Rb1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2 Na4 Rb1 h5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4 Be4 Nxa1 Bf4 f6 Nd2 Rad8 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Nxe4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qd4 O-O Qxe5 Re1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bd2 Nhf6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 Bxe5 dxe5 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 Qc2 Nb4 Bxe4 Nxc2 Bxd5 Bf5 g4 Bxg4 Be4 Nxa1 Bf4 f6 Nd2 Rad8 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e3 Nf6 Nxc4
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Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 a6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bd2 Nhf6 Qc2 g6 g3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3 d4 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7 Bc5 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 Qh6 Kg8 Rd2 Be6 Ng5 Rad8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Re8 Rfe1 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Rad1 Qc7 Bc5 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 Qh6 Kg8 Rd2 Be6 Ng5 Rad8 Red1 Rd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 a6 Nge2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 a6 Nge2 Nf6 Bf4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 a6 Nge2 Nf6 Bf4 Qb6 Na4 Qa5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 a6 Nge2 Nf6 Bf4 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3 d4 Be3 Nd5 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (2271)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O O-O Be3 h6 Qd3
Transpose to wikichess #30537#
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 a6 Nge2 Nf6 Bf4 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 Nbd7 b4 Qf5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Bc8 axb5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Bc8 axb5 Bg4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Bc8 axb5 Bg4 Nbd2 axb5 Bc2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Bb7 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 Re1 O-O d5 Ne7 Bg5 Ng6 g3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Bc8 axb5 Bg4 Nbd2 axb5 Bc2 Rab8 Ra3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6
Transpose to wikichess #7236#
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4 Be2 c5
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 d3 O-O O-O a6
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e3 Nf6 Nxc4 g6 Qb3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4 Be2 c5 dxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3 d4 Be3 Nd5 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e3 Nf6 Nxc4 g6 Qb3 Qc8 d3
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4 Be2 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 c3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3 Nxd4 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Nikolay Timkin (1907)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4 Be2 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 c3 Nc6 Nb3 Bb6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Stanimir Denchev (1619)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 Be6 e3 Nf6 Nxc4 g6 Qb3 Qc8 d3 Bg7 Ng5
============
Contributors : Stanimir Denchev
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 d5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 c3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (1962)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 c3 Bc5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4 Nc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 Be7 Be3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4 Nc6 Nf3 Qd5 d3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 d5 Qd2 e6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 a5 Be3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 a5 Be3 Be7 Be2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 d5 Qd2 e6 c4 Be7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2 Na4 Rb1 h5 Bd3 b4 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6 Bc4 h6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Bc5 e5 Nfd7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6 Bb3 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6 Bc4 h6 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3 Re8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Qd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 d5 Qd2 e6 c4 Be7 Rd1 Qb6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3 Re8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Qd3 Nc4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nge7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2 Kxd2 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nge7 c3 Ng6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nge7 c3 Ng6 d4 b5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Be3 Bg4 Qd3 Rae8 Nd2 Re6 a4 bxa4 Rxa4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 Qa4 Ke7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #10062#
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Bc5 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4 Nc6 Nf3 Qd5 d3 Nf6 c4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6 Bb3 O-O Qd3 Rc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6 Bb3 O-O Qd3 Rc8 Ne3 Nd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2 Kxd2 Qxd4 Kc2 Qf2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3 d4 Be3 Nd5 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 c6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3 Re8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Qd3 Nc4 Qc2 Bf8 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2 Na4 Rb1 h5 Bd3 b4 O-O g6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Nf3 g6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 Qa4 Ke7 Rae1 Bd6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be7 h3 Be6 Qf3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nd2 Nd6 c3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3 d4 Be3 Nd5 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 c6 Bd3 Rd6 Nxd5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nd2 Nd6 c3 Bf5 Bxf5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Nf3 g6 Bd3 c5 Bxe4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7 Qd2 g5
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nd2 Nd6 c3 Bf5 Bxf5 Nxf5 Qb3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4 Nc6 Nf3 Qd5 d3 Nf6 c4 Qh5 Ng3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6 Bc4 h6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Ne5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Bc5 e5 Nfd7 d4 Be7
Transpose to wikichess #29551#
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nge7 c3 Ng6 d4 b5 Bc2 Be7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nd2 Nd6 c3 Bf5 Bxf5 Nxf5 Qb3 b6 Ngf3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qd6 Na3 Be6 Qe2 f6 Rd1
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7 Rh4 Rac8
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nd2 Nd6 c3 Bf5 Bxf5 Nxf5 Qb3 b6 Ngf3 e6 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 c4 e5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7 Qd2 g5 h4 g4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O O-O-O Re8 Qg3 Rxe4 a3 Rg4 Qe3 Bf8 h3 Rg6 Qe1 d5 Nf3 d4 Be3 Nd5 Bxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 c6 Bd3 Rd6 Nxd5 cxd5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4 Nc6 Nf3 Qd5 d3 Nf6 c4 Qh5 Ng3 Qc5 a3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nd6 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 c4 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6 Bb3 O-O Qd3 Rc8 Ne3 Nd4 Rad1 Qh4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Nbd7 Qb3 dxc4 Bxc4 Nb6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 Bd6 f4 Nbd5 Bf3 Qb6 e4 Bxf4 exd5 Bxd2 Kxd2 Qxd4 Kc2 Qf2 Kb1 cxd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6 Bb3 O-O Qd3 Rc8 Ne3 Nd4 Rad1 Qh4 Ncd5 Rc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 O-O Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Nb3 Nce4 Nfd4 Nd6 Re1 O-O c3 Re8 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Qd3 Nc4 Qc2 Bf8 Bxf6 Qxf6 Rad1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nd6 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 b6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Rc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6 Bc4 h6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Ne5 Bb3 c5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4 Rxh4 f3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4 Rxh4 f3 Nge5 f4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4 Rxh4 f3 Nge5 f4 Ng4 f5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4 Rxh4 f3 Nge5 f4 Ng4 f5 fxg5 Bxg5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4 Rxh4 f3 Nge5 f4 Ng4 f5 fxg5 Bxg5 Rh5 Qd2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2275)
e4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 g3 g6 Bg2 Nc6 Nge2 Bg7 O-O h5 h4 Ng4 d3 Bd7 Bg5 f6 Bc1 g5 hxg5 h4 gxh4 Rxh4 f3 Nge5 f4 Ng4 f5 fxg5 Bxg5 Rh5 Qd2 Kf7 f6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nd6 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 b6 Re1 Bb7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nge7 c3 Ng6 d4 b5 Bc2 Be7 d5 Nb8
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
Nc3 d5 f4 d4 Ne4 Nc6 Nf3 Qd5 d3 Nf6 c4 Qh5 Ng3 Qc5 a3 e5 b4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 Qa4 Ke7 Rae1 Bd6 Bc1 Rhc8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7 Rh4 Rac8 Ne2 c5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Bxc6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 d4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nd6 Nf3 e6 O-O Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 b6 Re1 Bb7 Bf4 Nc6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (2307)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2307)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2307)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nb3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2307)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 a3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2307)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2307)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne5 d4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2315)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Bd7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2315)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Bd7 Qd2 Rc8
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2315)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Bd7 Qd2 Rc8 Be2 Nxd4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2315)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Bd7 Qd2 Rc8 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Qa5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e3 e5 c4 d6
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7 Qd2 g5 h4 g4 Nh2 h5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Nf3 d5 Bd3 c5 O-O Nc6 dxc5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 Nh4 Be4 Nd2 c5 g3 Bf5 Nxf5 Nxf5 dxc5 Bxc5 Nf3 Qc7 c3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 Qa4 Ke7 Rae1 Bd6 Bc1 Rhc8 Bd3 Kf8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nge7 c3 Ng6 d4 b5 Bc2 Be7 d5 Nb8 a4 Bb7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nde2 h5 Bg5 Be6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Nec3 g6 Bc4 Bh6 O-O Nc6 Bb3 O-O Qd3 Rc8 Ne3 Nd4 Rad1 Qh4 Ncd5 Rc5 c3 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Nf3 d5 Bd3 c5 O-O Nc6 dxc5 Bg4 h3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 Nbd2 Ne7
Transpose to wikichess #10769#
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nge7 O-O a6 Bc4 h6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf5 c4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 Nf6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qd6 Na3 Be6 Qe2 f6 Rd1 Bg4 c3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Nf3 d5 Bd3 c5 O-O Nc6 dxc5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4 Qxb4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4 Qxb4 O-O Qd2 d5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2 b6 d5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2 b6 d5 Ne7 Ng3
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4 Qxb4 O-O Qd2 d5 Be2 Qb6
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4 Qxb4 O-O Qd2 d5 Be2 Qb6 Rb1 Rfd8
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4 Qxb4 O-O Qd2 d5 Be2 Qb6 Rb1 Rfd8 a5 Qa7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2 b6 d5 Ne7 Ng3 Qd8 a4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2 b6 d5 Ne7 Ng3 Qd8 a4 Bd7 Bc2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f3 Be7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nc6 Nxb4 Nxb4 Qxb4 O-O Qd2 d5 Be2 Qb6 Rb1 Rfd8 a5 Qa7 c3 d4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2 b6 d5 Ne7 Ng3 Qd8 a4 Bd7 Bc2 Rf8 h3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2328)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 h6 O-O e5 Be3 Re8 Rb1 Qc7 Qd2 b6 d5 Ne7 Ng3 Qd8 a4 Bd7 Bc2 Rf8 h3 Ng6 Nf5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7 Rh4 Rac8 Ne2 c5 Rdh1 h6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Nf3 d5 Bd3 c5 O-O Nc6 dxc5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxc5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jimmy Huggins (2289)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 O-O Be2 d6
Transpose to wikichess #9788#
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1 Rfe8 Nd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1 Rfe8 Nd4 Rad8 Qd2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1 Rfe8 Nd4 Rad8 Qd2 Qb6 e4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1 Rfe8 Nd4 Rad8 Qd2 Qb6 e4 Bf8 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1 Rfe8 Nd4 Rad8 Qd2 Qb6 e4 Bf8 Rfe1 g6 f3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2292)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Na6 Nf3 Bc5 Qe5 Be7 O-O d6 Qf4 O-O Nc3 Nc5 b3 Qa5 Bb2 Bd7 Rad1 Rfe8 Nd4 Rad8 Qd2 Qb6 e4 Bf8 Rfe1 g6 f3 Bg7 Qf2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2282)
g3 e5 c4
Transpose to wikichess #8637#
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Rc8 Be3 Qe5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2 Na4 Rb1 h5 Bd3 b4 O-O g6 Ne2 bxa3 bxa3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7 Rh4 Rac8 Ne2 c5 Rdh1 h6 Bxg6 cxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 Nf6 Nc3 a6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Rc8 Be3 Qe5 Bxa7 Bc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4 Bb2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 g4 h6 Be3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 c4 e5 Ne2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Qd6 Na3 Be6 Qe2 f6 Rd1 O-O-O Nc4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7 Qd2 g5 h4 g4 Nh2 h5 Qe1 Qb4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 c4 e5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 c4 e5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8 Rfe1 Nd6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 c4 e5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 cxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Rc8 Be3 Qe5 Bxa7 Bc5 Bxc5 Rxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Ng3 Be7 dxc5 Nxc5 Qf2 Na4 Rb1 h5 Bd3 b4 O-O g6 Ne2 bxa3 bxa3 Rb8 Rxb8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6 Nf3 dxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4 Bb2 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Rc8 Be3 Qe5 Bxa7 Bc5 Bxc5 Rxc5 Qb3 Ba8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7 Rh4 Rac8 Ne2 c5 Rdh1 h6 Bxg6 cxd4 Nexd4 Nc5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O a5 Be3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 b4 Ne2 Ne8 f4 a5 Kb1 a4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8 Rfe1 Nd6 a4 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 a6 c4 e6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 a6 c4 e6 Be3 Be7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 a6 c4 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 a6 c4 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O Nbd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3 g6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8 Rfe1 Nd6 a4 Rfe8 Qg3 b5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2026)
d4 Nf6 e4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 c4 e5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 cxd5 Qxd5 Bxe4 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4 Bb2 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 h4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nb3 a5 Be3 a4 Nbd2 Bd7 Rc1 Qb7 Qe2 Rfc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6 Nf3 dxc4 Ne5 Qf4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nb3 a5 Be3 a4 Nbd2 Bd7 Rc1 Qb7 Qe2 Rfc8 Bd3 a3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5 Bd2 c4 Be2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 c6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Qd3 Qg6 Qxg6 fxg6 Nf3 Nb6 O-O-O O-O Bd3 Na6 a3 Bd7 Rh4 Rac8 Ne2 c5 Rdh1 h6 Bxg6 cxd4 Nexd4 Nc5 R1h3 Be8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 c6 Be2 b5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 c6 Be2 b5 Qb3 a5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O a5 Be3 Na6 Re1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4
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Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4 Be6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4 Be6 Bb2 Rad8 Nxb6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4 Be6 Bb2 Rad8 Nxb6 axb6 f4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4 Be6 Bb2 Rad8 Nxb6 axb6 f4 Bf5 e4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4 Be6 Bb2 Rad8 Nxb6 axb6 f4 Bf5 e4 Bh7 f5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 b4 Ne2 Ne8 f4 a5 Kb1 a4 Nbc1 exf4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8 Rfe1 Nd6 a4 Rfe8 Qg3 b5 axb5 Rxa1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (2293)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Bc5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O Nge2 d6 d3 Bf5 a3 Qd7 b4 Bb6 h3 h5 Na4 Be6 Bb2 Rad8 Nxb6 axb6 f4 Bf5 e4 Bh7 f5 Ne7 g4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8 Rfe1 Nd6 a4 Rfe8 Qg3 b5 axb5 Rxa1 Rxa1 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4 Bb2 d5 exd5 Bc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4 Bb2 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #15286#
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 Nc6 d5 Na5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3 Re8 Ne2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6 Nf3 dxc4 Ne5 Qf4 Nxc4 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4 Rb1 h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2 c3 Bxb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2095)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Nbd2 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 N2f3 Bb7 b3 b4 Bb2 d5 exd5 Bc5 Qd2 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 h4 Nf6 h5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8 f3 Be6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2 c3 Bxb5 Bd7 Bxd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8 f3 Be6 Nd2 a5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 h4 Nf6 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8 f3 Be6 Nd2 a5 a4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 Nc6 d5 Na5 b4 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 h4 Nf6 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5 gxh5 Ng5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O a5 Be3 Na6 Re1 Be6 Ng5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 b4 Ne2 Ne8 f4 a5 Kb1 a4 Nbc1 exf4 Nxf4 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 Nc6 d5 Na5 b4 Nxc4 Bxc4 e5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 a3 g6 Bc4 Bg7 h4 Nf6 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5 gxh5 Ng5 Bg4 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5 Bd2 c4 Be2 Nf5 h4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qa4 c6 Nc3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 Nxb5 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 e4 Bb7 Bg2 Qb4 Qc2 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Rc8 Be3 Qe5 Bxa7 Bc5 Bxc5 Rxc5 Qb3 Ba8 Qb4 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5 Bd2 c4 Be2 Nf5 h4 h5 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5 Qe7 Rc1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5 Bd2 c4 Be2 Nf5 h4 h5 O-O Bd7 a4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3 Re8 Ne2 Qb8 Rad1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6 Nf3 dxc4 Ne5 Qf4 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Qe2 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5 Qe7 Rc1 a5 a3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6 h5 Rb8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 c5 dxc5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Qd4 Nf6 Qb4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 c5 dxc5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Qd4 Nf6 Qb4 Nc6 Qxa5 Nxa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 c5 dxc5 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Qd4 Nf6 Qb4 Nc6 Qxa5 Nxa5 Bd3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3 Re8 Ne2 Qb8 Rad1 Bd7 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dilshod Madolimov (1800)
e4 d6 d4 e5
Transpose to wikichess #3329#
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 cxd4 Nxd4
Transpose to wikichess #10333#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1804)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 exd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1804)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1804)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Nd5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qf6 O-O d6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 e6 e3 f5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4 d6 e4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Qe2 Nxe5 Bxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Rg1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7 Qd2 g5 h4 g4 Nh2 h5 Qe1 Qb4 b3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6 Nf3 dxc4 Ne5 Qf4 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bd7 Be2 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4 Rb1 h6 Re1 Qe7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6 h5 Rb8 Bg2 Bd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5 Qe7 Rc1 a5 a3 Rd8 Rc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Nbc6 Nf3 Qa5 Bd2 c4 Be2 Nf5 h4 h5 O-O Bd7 a4 Re8 Re1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2 c3 Bxb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ba3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6 h5 Rb8 Bg2 Bd7 O-O Rb7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4 Rb1 h6 Re1 Qe7 Kh2 Nh5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2 c3 Bxb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ba3 Kf7 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4 d6 e4 Nf6 Nxe7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Qe2 Nxe5 Bxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Be6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4 d6 e4 Nf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2 Ng6 Rd1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3 Re8 Ne2 Qb8 Rad1 Bd7 Bxd6 Qxd6 c3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5 Qe7 Rc1 a5 a3 Rd8 Rc4 e5 Rc1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dilshod Madolimov (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 f4 g6
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7 Rac1 h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dilshod Madolimov (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 f4 g6 Nc3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 b4 Ne2 Ne8 f4 a5 Kb1 a4 Nbc1 exf4 Nxf4 Bxg5 Nxe6 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O a5 Be3 Na6 Re1 Be6 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3 d5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 e6 e3 f5 cxd5 cxd5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a4 exd4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5 Qe7 Rc1 a5 a3 Rd8 Rc4 e5 Rc1 Bg4 Nc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 fxg7 Rg8 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qf6 Qd3 Nd7 Rd1 Rxg7 Qg3 c6 c4 Nb6 Nf3 dxc4 Ne5 Qf4 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bd7 Be2 O-O-O Qxf4 gxf4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Bg5 Ne7 Nh4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dilshod Madolimov (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 f4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3 dxe5
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Rg1 Rc8 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Be3 Be6
Transpose to wikichess #26270#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 Bc4 Bg7 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Bg5 Ne7 Nh4 c6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dilshod Madolimov (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 f4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3 dxe5 fxe5 c5
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6 h5 Rb8 Bg2 Bd7 O-O Rb7 Rae1 Kd8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2110)
Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 c5 O-O Nf6 c4 d4 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bd6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Bc7 c5 Qe7 Rc1 a5 a3 Rd8 Rc4 e5 Rc1 Bg4 Nc4 Qf6 h3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 Rg1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7 Rac1 h6 a3 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Rg1 Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Nd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2 c3 Bxb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ba3 Kf7 O-O Re8 Qc2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7 Rac1 h6 a3 Rfe8 f5 Bf8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6 h5 Rb8 Bg2 Bd7 O-O Rb7 Rae1 Kd8 Nd1 Kc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7 Rac1 h6 a3 Rfe8 f5 Bf8 fxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4 Rb1 h6 Re1 Qe7 Kh2 Nh5 g3 Ra7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a4 exd4 cxd4 h6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2 Ng6 Rd1 d6 a4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dilshod Madolimov (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 d4 d6 f4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nf3 dxe5 fxe5 c5 d5 Bg4
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 e6 e3 f5 cxd5 cxd5 Ne5 Nf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Rg1 Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Nd5 e6 Nb4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3 d5 Nf3 e4 Nd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4 d6 e4 Nf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f3 exd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1970)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4 d6 e4 Nf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 f3 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2 Ng6 Rd1 d6 a4 a5 Ba3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2 Ng6 Rd1 d6 a4 a5 Ba3 Rb8 Rab1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3 c5 dxc5 Qe7 h5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Rg1 Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Nd5 e6 Nb4 Qf6 c3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 dxc5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O Nc6 g4 Bd7 Kb1 Rb8 h4 h5 gxh5 Nxh5 Rg1 Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Nd5 e6 Nb4 Qf6 c3 R6c8 Bg5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3 c5 dxc5 Qe7 h5 Bxc5 Qf4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3 c5 dxc5 Qe7 h5 Bxc5 Qf4 Nbd7 Nxd7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3 c5 dxc5 Qe7 h5 Bxc5 Qf4 Nbd7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Rd1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2 Ng6 Rd1 d6 a4 a5 Ba3 Rb8 Rab1 Ba8 Ne3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3 d5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nf6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 dxc5 d4 Na4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 dxc5 d4 Na4 Bxc5 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 d4 Bb2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2086)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb4 Qf3 Bb7 h4 g4 Qe3 c5 dxc5 Qe7 h5 Bxc5 Qf4 Nbd7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Rd1 a6 Be2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Be6 Bxe6 Qxe6 Be3 Bb6 Bxb6 axb6 O-O Nf6 Nc3 O-O a3 Ne8 Rfe1 Nd6 a4 Rfe8 Qg3 b5 axb5 Rxa1 Rxa1 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O a5 Be3 Na6 Re1 Be6 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 Rfd8 Rc1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 h6 Nc2 b6 Ne3 Bb7 Nd5 Ne5 b3 Re8 Qc2 Ng6 Rd1 d6 a4 a5 Ba3 Rb8 Rab1 Ba8 Ne3 Qe7 Nd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 Nf3 Nc6 dxc5 d4 Na4 Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O Bxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qf6 O-O d6 Nd2 Nh6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 Rg1 Nd5 g4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 b5 g4 Nb6 Qf2 c4 a3 Nc6 h5 Rb8 Bg2 Bd7 O-O Rb7 Rae1 Kd8 Nd1 Kc8 Ne3 Kb8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7 Rac1 h6 a3 Rfe8 f5 Bf8 fxe6 fxe6 Bb1 Re7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3 Re8 Ne2 Qb8 Rad1 Bd7 Bxd6 Qxd6 c3 Rad8 Ng3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 Ne4 f5 Nc3 Nf6 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Nd5 Bb2 c3 Bxb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Ba3 Kf7 O-O Re8 Qc2 Kg8 Ne1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 d4 Bb2 cxb4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2083)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 h3 Nbd7 a4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qd6 Re8 Bc4 Bf8 Qd3 h6 Be3 Qe7 Qd2 g5 h4 g4 Nh2 h5 Qe1 Qb4 b3 Nb6 Bd3 Be6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3 Re8 Ng5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Qe2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 d4 Bb2 cxb4 Nxd4 Bd7 a3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Simon Huxtable (1388)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O e3 b6
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3 d5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 c3 a6 Bd3 Qc7 O-O Nf6 Qe2 d6 f4 Nbd7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Be3 b6 b4 Bb7 Rac1 h6 a3 Rfe8 f5 Bf8 fxe6 fxe6 Bb1 Re7 Qf3 Ne5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Qe2 Nf6 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2122)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O Be7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 c5 Qd2 Be6 Rfe1 Bd6 b3 Re8 Ne2 Qb8 Rad1 Bd7 Bxd6 Qxd6 c3 Rad8 Ng3 Bg4 f3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4 Rb1 h6 Re1 Qe7 Kh2 Nh5 g3 Ra7 b4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qa5 Bb5 O-O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Qe2 Nf6 b4 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Bd6 Bd3 Ne7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3 d5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bb2 Bc5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Bd3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 O-O Nxf6 Bxf6 Be4 Qc7 a4 b4 O-O a5 Be3 Na6 Re1 Be6 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 Rfd8 Rc1 b3 h4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 b4 Ne2 Ne8 f4 a5 Kb1 a4 Nbc1 exf4 Nxf4 Bxg5 Nxe6 Bxe3 Nxd8 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 d4 Bb2 cxb4 Nxd4 Bd7 a3 Nc6 axb4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
c4 e5 Nc3 c6 b3 d5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nf6 cxd5 cxd5 Bb2 Bc5 e3 O-O Na4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1654)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 d4 Bb2 cxb4 Nxd4 Bd7 a3 Nc6 axb4 Bxb4 Qg4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 d5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Qd7 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Qa4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Qa4 Nbd7 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qf6 O-O d6 Nd2 Nh6 Qf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 Rg1 Nd5 g4 Re8 g5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2096)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nbd7 Bd3 Nc5 Bc2 a5 O-O b6 Be3 Ba6 b3 Nh5 a3 Nf4 Rb1 h6 Re1 Qe7 Kh2 Nh5 g3 Ra7 b4 Nd7 bxa5 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Nd4 e3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Qa4 Nbd7 cxd5 Nb6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Nd4 e3 Qxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e3 e5 d4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Nd4 e3 Qxd5 Bxd5 Nc2 Rac1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Qd7 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Qa4 Nbd7 cxd5 Nb6 Qc2 Nfxd5 b3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Qa4 Nbd7 cxd5 Nb6 Qc2 Nfxd5 b3 Bg7 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 Rg1 Nd5 g4 Re8 g5 Bd6 Ne4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e3 e5 d4 exd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Nd4 e3 Qxd5 Bxd5 Nc2 Rac1 Nb4 Bc4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Qd7 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 fxe5 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
Nf3 f5 c4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 Nf3 Bg4 Bb5 Qd7 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 fxe5 Bxc6 Qxc6 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4 e6 a3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4 e6 a3 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4 e6 a3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 e3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4 e6 a3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 e3 Nc6 b4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4 e6 a3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 e3 Nc6 b4 Bd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 Bf4 e6 a3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 e3 Nc6 b4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 c4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1 h6 Ng3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Steve Lim (2110)
e3 e5 d4 exd4 exd4 Nf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 Rg1 Nd5 g4 Re8 g5 Bd6 Ne4 b5 Qxb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1 h6 Ng3 Re8 Nh4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Re1 O-O c3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Re1 O-O c3 d6 d4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Re1 O-O c3 d6 d4 exd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 a6 g4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Re1 O-O c3 d6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3 Ne4 d3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Nd4 e3 Qxd5 Bxd5 Nc2 Rac1 Nb4 Bc4 Bf5 Rc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3 Ne4 d3 Qf6 Qf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5 Bg7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 g4 h6 Be3 a6 f3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Mykola Simashkevitch (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O d3 Re8 Bd2 c6 Nf3 h6 O-O d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bxd2 Nxd2 cxd5 Qb3 Nc6 Qxd5 Nd4 e3 Qxd5 Bxd5 Nc2 Rac1 Nb4 Bc4 Bf5 Rc3 Red8 e4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 b3 d5 Bb2 dxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 Be7 O-O-O a5 a4 b6 Nxe4 Bb7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 Rg1 Nd5 g4 Re8 g5 Bd6 Ne4 b5 Qxb5 Ba6 Qc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3 Re8 Ng5 Nf6 Kb1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3 Ne4 d3 Qf6 Qf3 Nfg3 Ke1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1 h6 Ng3 Re8 Nh4 a5 a4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3 Ne4 d3 Qf6 Qf3 Nfg3 Ke1 Nxh1 Kd1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 O-O a4 bxa4 Rxa4 a5 Bc4 Rb8 b3 Kh8 Nce3 g6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 Qg4 g6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3 Ne4 d3 Qf6 Qf3 Nfg3 Ke1 Nxh1 Kd1 Qxf3 gxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1 h6 Ng3 Re8 Nh4 a5 a4 b4 Nhf5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Re2 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ne5 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nc6 Bf4 Nge7
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 Qe7 Nxh8 d5 exd5 Nd4 d6 Qxd6 Nf7 Qe7 h3 Bh4 c3 Nf5 Na3 Ne4 d3 Qf6 Qf3 Nfg3 Ke1 Nxh1 Kd1 Qxf3 gxf3 Nd6 Nxd6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1 h6 Ng3 Re8 Nh4 a5 a4 b4 Nhf5 Be6 c4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Ng4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Bg2 Ng6 Nxg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 e3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 e3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Bg2 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Kf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 Qb6 h3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d3 Nc6 Nbd2 Qc7 Nf1 h6 Ng3 Re8 Nh4 a5 a4 b4 Nhf5 Be6 c4 Nd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 O-O a4 bxa4 Rxa4 a5 Bc4 Rb8 b3 Kh8 Nce3 g6 O-O f5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Ng4 Qe2
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ne5 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nc6 e4 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 e3 Qh4 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Ng4 Qd3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Ng4 Qd3 c5 Qe4 Be6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Ng4 Qe2 Nc6 g3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5 Bg7 Nd3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 e5 Ng8 d4 c5 f4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 h5 d4 h4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 h5 d4 h4 Bxg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 e5 Ng8 d4 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 Bc5 c3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Ng4 Qe2 Nc6 g3 h5 Qg2
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Ng4 Qd3 c5 Qe4 Be6 Ng5 Bxh2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Ng4 Qe2 Nc6 g3 h5 Qg2 h4 Nxh4
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 e5 Ng8 d4 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Re2 Rfe8 Rae1 Rxe2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Ng4 Qd3 c5 Qe4 Be6 Ng5 Bxh2 Nxe6 Qh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 h5 d4 h4 Bxg5 Be7 gxh4 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 e3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 e4 Bg7 e5 Ng8 d4 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 Qe3
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 Bc5 c3 Qd3 Qe2
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 g3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 Bc5 c3 Qd3 Qe2 Qxe2 Kxe2
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Timothy Cookson (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 c3 Bg5 Nc2 O-O a4 bxa4 Rxa4 a5 Bc4 Rb8 b3 Kh8 Nce3 g6 O-O f5 Qf3 fxe4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 Bc5 c3 Qd3 Qe2 Qxe2 Kxe2 f6 b4
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 e3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3 Qxg3 Ke2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Re8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nc6 O-O d6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3 Be7 Bb5
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4 O-O
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 h5 d4 h4 Bxg5 Be7 gxh4 Bxg5 hxg5 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4 O-O Qe7 c3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Re8 O-O-O Bd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7 Bg2 Be6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Bg4 O-O Qe7 c3 O-O-O d4
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3 Be7 Bb5 c6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 d3 h6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4 Re8
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O e3 Bg4 Be2 Nc6 d4 Re8 a3 a6
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bg5 h6 Bd2 Nhf6 Rc1 Ne4 Be3 Nxc3 Rxc3 Nf6 g3 Qa5 Qb3 Ne4 Qa3 Qxa3 Rxa3 g5 Ne5 Bg7 Nd3 Nf6 Bd2 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Bd3 a5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nge2
Transpose to wikichess #25038#
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Re2 Rfe8 Rae1 Rxe2 Qxe2 h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5 axb5 a5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Be7 Nbd2 Nxd2 Bxd2 Bg4 c3 Qd7 Re1 O-O h3 Bf5 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Re2 Rfe8 Rae1 Rxe2 Qxe2 h6 g3 a6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Re8 O-O-O Bd7 Kb1 Qe7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Bd3 a5 cxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3 Re8 Ng5 Nf6 Kb1 d5 Be5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7 Bg2 Be6 Nd2 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7 Bg2 Be6 Nd2 f5 b3 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Re8 O-O-O Bd7 Kb1 Qe7 Bc1 b6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5 axb5 a5 Nxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5
Transpose to wikichess #38535#
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 d3 h6 g3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5 axb5 a5 Nxd5 Bxd5 b6 Nxb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Simon Huxtable (1388)
e4 c6 c4 d5 cxd5 cxd5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7 Bg2 Be6 Nd2 f5 b3 O-O-O Nc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7
Transpose to wikichess #24457#
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7 Bg2 Be6 Nd2 f5 b3 O-O-O Nc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5 axb5 a5 Nxd5 Bxd5 b6 Nxb6 exd5 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Re8 O-O-O Bd7 Kb1 Qe7 Bc1 b6 h3 Qe4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nxg6 hxg6 Qd3 Nc6 c3 Qe7 Bg2 Be6 Nd2 f5 b3 O-O-O Nc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Ne5 Qe3 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 h3 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bd6 Nc3 Ne7 Qb3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5 axb5 a5 Nxd5 Bxd5 b6 Nxb6 exd5 Bxb4 Nb5 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 Bf4 c6 Bd3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Re8 O-O-O Bd7 Kb1 Qe7 Bc1 b6 h3 Qe4 Qb3 Re7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 O-O Bb7 b4 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 Ra3 d5 Rb1 e5 axb5 a5 Nxd5 Bxd5 b6 Nxb6 exd5 Bxb4 Nb5 Bxd2 Nxc7 Rxc7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Simon Huxtable (1388)
e4 c6 c4 d5 cxd5 cxd5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 Nf3 Nf6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #13619#
============
Contributors : Simon Huxtable
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3 Re8 Ng5 Nf6 Kb1 d5 Be5 h6 Qf4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 d3 h6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3 Re8 Ng5 Nf6 Kb1 d5 Be5 h6 Qf4 Bf8 c4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nf6 c3
Transpose to wikichess #805#
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Qe2 Nxe5 Bxe4 dxe4 Qxe4 Be6 Qxe5 Qd7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Ne5 h4 c6 a3 Ng4 Bf4 Bd7 Bd3 Re8 Ng5 Nf6 Kb1 d5 Be5 h6 Qf4 Bf8 c4 a5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 h3 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bd6 Nc3 Ne7 Qb3 b5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Nc6 c3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Be7 d4
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
c4 Nc6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #4224#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Bd3 a5 cxd5 cxd5 O-O Qb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 Ng4 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 g6 d4 cxd4
Transpose to wikichess #30499#
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 d3 h6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Bd7
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4 Be2 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 Qd2 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Bd3 a5 cxd5 cxd5 O-O Qb4 Qb3 Qxb3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O h6 d5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O h6 d5 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O h6 d5 exd5 exd5 Nxd5 Nh4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 Nc3 d5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Bd3 a5 cxd5 cxd5 O-O Qb4 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vassil Dimitrov (2000)
g4 d5 Bg2 c6 h3 e5 d4 e4 c4 Bd6 Nc3 Ne7 Qb3 b5 cxd5 cxd5 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Vassil Dimitrov
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Ngf3 Nb4 Be2 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 exd5 exd5 O-O Nf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O h3 Qe3 Rg8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O h3 Qe3 Rg8 g3 Rg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O h3 Qe3 Rg8 g3 Rg5 Ne4 Re5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 exf6 gxh4 Be2 Qa5 O-O h3 Qe3 Rg8 g3 Rg5 Ne4 Re5 Bf3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 c6 Nf3 Be6 Ng5 Bg4 Qb3 h6 Nf3 Qb6 Ne5 Be6 Qa3 Nbd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Bd3 a5 cxd5 cxd5 O-O Qb4 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc6 h4 h5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 exf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O h6 d5 exd5 exd5 Nxd5 Nh4 Nce7 Rd1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O Nc6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O h6 d5 exd5 exd5 Nxd5 Nh4 Nce7 Rd1 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 bxc3 cxb5 Qb1 Ba6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O h6 d5 exd5 exd5 Nxd5 Nh4 Nce7 Rd1 O-O Be3 Bb7 Qxb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dmitry Tsimbalenko (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 d3 h6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Nc6 O-O Bd7 e4 Be7
============
Contributors : Dmitry Tsimbalenko
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bd3 h6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5 Bc7 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bd3 h6 Nbd2 exd4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Be2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jimmy Huggins (1577)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 a3
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4 a6 Qb3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6 f4 b5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6 f4 b5 f5 Bd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3 Ba6 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5 Bc7 f5 e4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4 a6 Qb3 Rc7 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 c6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5 Bc7 f5 e4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4 a6 Qb3 Rc7 Rfd1 Ne7 Rc2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5 Bc7 f5 e4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Ra2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5 Bc7 f5 e4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Ra2 Bxf5 Nd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 Bb5 Qd6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 f4 Ng6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 d5 Qd3 Bb4 Nbd2 c6 a3 Bc5 g3 Nf6 b4 Bb6 c4 e5 exd5 Bc7 f5 e4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Ra2 Bxf5 Nd6 Qxd6 Qxf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 Bb5 Qd6 Nf3 Bg4 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 c6 e5 Ng8
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3 e6 h3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3 Ba6 Rfd1 Qe7 a4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4 a6 Qb3 Rc7 Rfd1 Ne7 Rc2 Qb8 Rdc1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3 Ba6 Rfd1 Qe7 a4 Rad8 Nfd2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4 a6 Qb3 Rc7 Rfd1 Ne7 Rc2 Qb8 Rdc1 Rfc8 Qb2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Na3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 c6 e5 Ng8 f4 h5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Na3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Na3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O d3 e5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Na3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O d3 e5 Nc4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 c6 e5 Ng8 f4 h5 Nf3 f6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 O-O O-O e5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 Bb5 Qd6 Nf3 Bg4 Bxc6 Qxc6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Rc1 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nf3 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Bd7 a3 Rc8 b4 a6 Qb3 Rc7 Rfd1 Ne7 Rc2 Qb8 Rdc1 Rfc8 Qb2 g6 g3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 O-O O-O e5 cxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 Bb5 Qd6 Nf3 Bg4 Bxc6 Qxc6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Na3 Bg4 Be2 O-O-O d3 e5 Nc4 Nf6 Ne3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3 Ba6 Rfd1 Qe7 a4 Rad8 Nfd2 Nc5 Qg4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 c6 e5 Ng8 f4 h5 Nf3 f6 exf6 exf6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Ne5 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 c6 e5 Ng8 f4 h5 Nf3 f6 exf6 exf6 Bd3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3 Ba6 Rfd1 Qe7 a4 Rad8 Nfd2 Nc5 Qg4 Bc8 Qg3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5 O-O Be3 Qe7 Nexc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5 O-O Be3 Qe7 Nexc6 bxc6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5 O-O Be3 Qe7 Nexc6 bxc6 Qd2 Bxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2355)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd7 Qe2 O-O Be3 Re8 Nbd2 b6 Nc4 Bf8 h3 a5 a3 Ba6 Rfd1 Qe7 a4 Rad8 Nfd2 Nc5 Qg4 Bc8 Qg3 f6 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 c3 Bb6 d4
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Bf5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Jimmy Huggins (1609)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bd3 h6 Nbd2 exd4 cxd4 Qe7
============
Contributors : Jimmy Huggins
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Ne5 O-O-O f4 Kb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5 O-O Be3 Qe7 Nexc6 bxc6 Qd2 Bxd4 cxd4 Bg4 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Be2 e6 O-O Nb4 Na3 c5 c3 Nc6 Nc2 cxd4 Ncxd4 Bc5 exf6 Qxf6 Ne5 O-O Be3 Qe7 Nexc6 bxc6 Qd2 Bxd4 cxd4 Bg4 Bd3 Bf5 Be2
Transpose to wikichess #46987#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 Bg4 f3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5 h3 Ngf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 d4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 g4 Bg6 e6 fxe6 h4 h5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 d4 Nd7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1988)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 d5 exd6 Qxd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 d4 Nd7 Bd3 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 d4 Nd7 Bd3 c5 c3 Qb6 Qf4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Bb4
Transpose to wikichess #10293#
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 b6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bh5 Ne2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Ne5 O-O-O f4 Kb8 Kb1 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5 h3 Ngf6 f4 h4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 b6 Nf3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Franck Simonnet (1714)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 Bg4 f3 Bh5 Ne2 e6 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 d4 e6
Transpose to wikichess #19426#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Ne5 O-O-O f4 Kb8 Kb1 c5 dxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Ne5 O-O-O f4 Kb8 Kb1 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Rhf1 Rhe8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6 Bxd6 exd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6 Bxd6 exd6 Qxd6 g3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5 h3 Ngf6 f4 h4 Bd4 e5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5 h3 Ngf6 f4 h4 Bd4 e5 fxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6 Bxd6 exd6 Qxd6 g3 e5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6 Bxd6 exd6 Qxd6 g3 e5 Bg2 f6 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5 h3 Ngf6 f4 h4 Bd4 e5 fxe5 dxe5 Be3 Nh5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Be7 O-O d6 Qg4 g6 Qe2 Nd7 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 b6 a4 Bb7 Rad1 h5 h3 Ngf6 f4 h4 Bd4 e5 fxe5 dxe5 Be3 Nh5 Bc4 Ndf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 h6 Ne4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nf6 Qe2 Qc7 Bd2 b6 O-O-O Bb7 Ne5 O-O-O f4 Kb8 Kb1 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Rhf1 Rhe8 g4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 h6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 h6 Bc4 Nge7
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 h6 Bc4 Nge7 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6 Bxd6 exd6 Qxd6 g3 e5 Bg2 f6 O-O Nb6 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Simone Toro (1030)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4 g3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3 Qxh1
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3 Qxh1 Qe2
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bc5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bc5 Nc3 Qd8 d3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Bxf3 exf3 Qh4 g3 Bxg3 hxg3 Qxh1 Qe2 Ne7
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f3 e5 e4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Nb4 Qh5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
f3 e5 e4 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #29349#
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Nb4 Qh5 g6 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2086)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 Bd2 Ne7 Nf3 Nbc6 h4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e5 Nf3 c5 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Nb4 Qh5 g6 Bxf7 Ke7 Bg5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Nc3 h6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 e6 Nc3 h6 Bc4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 exd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 exd4 O-O O-O Qh5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Qe2 O-O d4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Qxd4
Transpose to wikichess #46760#
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Qe2 O-O d4 exd4 Rd1
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Qe2 O-O d4 exd4 Rd1 Re8 c3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e6 Qf3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8 Rc1 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8 Rc1 a5 b5 Na7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 Nc3 h6 d3
Transpose to wikichess #49155#
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Bxc3 Bd2 Bxb2
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Bxc3 Bd2 Bxb2 Rb1 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nc6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #8580#
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 Nbd7 e3 e6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Bxc3 Bd2 Bxb2 Rb1 Bxd4 cxd5 Bc5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2 d5 a4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2 d5 a4 Be7 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 Nbd7 e3 e6 Bd3 Be7
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nd7 Nc3 e6 e3 Ngf6
Transpose to wikichess #5704#
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2 d5 a4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 exd5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Qe2 O-O d4 exd4 Rd1 Re8 c3 Rxe4 Qd3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Bb4 d3 O-O Bd2
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Bxc3 Bd2 Bxb2 Rb1 Bxd4 cxd5 Bc5 Nf3 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d4 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bc5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d4 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bc5 Re1 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Bxc3 Bd2 Bxb2 Rb1 Bxd4 cxd5 Bc5 Nf3 Qxd5 Qc2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e6 Qf3 e5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2 d5 a4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 exd5 Bxd5 Nc4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2 d5 a4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 exd5 Bxd5 Nc4 Bd8 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8 Rc1 a5 b5 Na7 a4 c6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Nd2 cxd4 Nb3 Qb6 Qxd4 d6 Qxb6 axb6 e4 e5 Bg5 Be6 Bb5 Nc6 Nd2 d5 a4 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 exd5 Bxd5 Nc4 Bd8 Nxe5 O-O Nc4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d4 Nxd4 Nxe5 Bc5 Re1 O-O Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8 Rc1 a5 b5 Na7 a4 c6 Bxa5 Rdc8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Bb4 d3 O-O Bd2 Re8 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Bb4 d3 O-O Bd2 Re8 O-O d6 a3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 Bb4 d3 O-O Bd2 Re8 O-O d6 a3 Ba5 b4
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6 f4 b5 f5 Bd7 Bd4 bxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8 Rc1 a5 b5 Na7 a4 c6 Bxa5 Rdc8 b6 Nb5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3 fxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simon Zeckarias (1040)
e4 e6 Qf3 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3 fxe5 dxe5 g5 fxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7 Rb1 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Qh5 g6 Qe2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 Bxc5 Bg5 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Nb5 Qb8 Bh6 a6 Nd6 Bxd6 exd6 Qxd6 g3 e5 Bg2 f6 O-O Nb6 Rfd1 Qe7 c3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4 Qc2 exd4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7 Rb1 Rfe8 a4 b5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4 Qc2 exd4 Nxd4 a3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 Rc1 Nbd7 g3 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 O-O e5 Ne2 a5 e4 a4 Qc2 exd4 Nxd4 a3 b3 Ne5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7 Rb1 Rfe8 a4 b5 Qc2 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7 Rb1 Rfe8 a4 b5 Qc2 Bxb4 Ne5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2148)
e3 Nf6 c4 e5 Qc2 Nc6 a3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 b4 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Nc3 Bf5 d3 Nxc3 Bxc3 Qe7 Be2 a6 Nd2 Rfd8 Rc1 a5 b5 Na7 a4 c6 Bxa5 Rdc8 b6 Nb5 Nb3 c5
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7 Rb1 Rfe8 a4 b5 Qc2 Bxb4 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #26868#
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2086)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Bd3 Bc5 Nb3 Ba7 O-O Nc6 Qg4 Qf6 Kh1 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6 Qa5 e5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6 Qa5 e5 Rd8 Qa3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6 Qa5 e5 Rd8 Qa3 Rxd1 Rxd1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6 Qa5 e5 Rd8 Qa3 Rxd1 Rxd1 Qxa3 bxa3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3 fxe5 dxe5 g5 fxg5 Nxe5 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc5 Rac1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Rad1 Qc7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6 Qa5 e5 Rd8 Qa3 Rxd1 Rxd1 Qxa3 bxa3 Be7 a4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Rad1 Qc7 Bb3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc5 Rac1 Bb6 Nc4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 a6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 b4 Bd6 h3 Bxf3 Nxf3 O-O O-O Qe7 Rb1 Rfe8 a4 b5 Qc2 Bxb4 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd5 Bxh7 Kf8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Franck Simonnet (1718)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Nf3 Qa5
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Rad1 Qc7 Bb3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Franck Simonnet (1718)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Nf3 Qa5 Nbd2 Nd6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Rad1 Qc7 Bb3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 Qa7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Rad1 Qc7 Bb3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 Qa7 Qf2 Qxf2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc5 Rac1 Bb6 Nc4 Be6 Nxb6
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Qd2 d5 exd5 cxd5 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 a6 Rad1 Qc7 Bb3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 Bf4 Qa7 Qf2 Qxf2 Rxf2 Be6
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e6 Qd3 Be7 O-O-O a6 f4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O Be2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxd6 Qa5 e5 Rd8 Qa3 Rxd1 Rxd1 Qxa3 bxa3 Be7 a4 b6 Kb2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc5 Rac1 Bb6 Nc4 Be6 Nxb6 cxb6 b4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Franck Simonnet (1718)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Nf3 Qa5 Nbd2 Nd6 Qc2 g6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3 fxe5 dxe5 g5 fxg5 Nxe5 Be2 Ng4 Bxa7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1718)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Nf3 Qa5 Nbd2 Nd6 Qc2 g6 e4 Bg7
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Franck Simonnet (1718)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Nf3 Qa5 Nbd2 Nd6 Qc2 g6 e4 Bg7 Bd3 Na6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Franck Simonnet (1718)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 Ne4 Nf3 Qa5 Nbd2 Nd6 Qc2 g6 e4 Bg7 Bd3 Na6 e5 Nb4
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1718)
e4 c5 c3 d6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 h3
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc5 Rac1 Bb6 Nc4 Be6 Nxb6 cxb6 b4 a6 b5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Qb3 Qd7 Bd2 Ng4 e5 Qf5 Re1 Be7 Bd3 Qe6 Na3 Qxb3 axb3 Bc5 Rac1 Bb6 Nc4 Be6 Nxb6 cxb6 b4 a6 b5 axb5 Bxb5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2 h6
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nxd3
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nxd3 cxd3
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nxd3 cxd3 Ba6
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nxd3 cxd3 Ba6 Qe3
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3 fxe5 dxe5 g5 fxg5 Nxe5 Be2 Ng4 Bxa7 Bd6 g3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2079)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 e5 f6 f4 Nh6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Be2 Qd7 a3 O-O-O O-O Be4 Be3 Nf5 Bf2 h5 Qd2 Bxf3 Bxf3 fxe5 dxe5 g5 fxg5 Nxe5 Be2 Ng4 Bxa7 Bd6 g3 Rdf8 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1 Bf5 d4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1 Bf5 d4 Qd7 Na3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O c6 a4 a5 h3 Na6 Be3 Nb4 Qd2 Qc7 Rac1 b6 Rfe1 Bb7 Rcd1 Rad8 Bg5 Rfe8 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nxd3 cxd3 Ba6 Qe3 Nh5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5 h6 Bh4
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1 Bf5 d4 Qd7 Na3 a5 Nc2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1 Bf5 d4 Qd7 Na3 a5 Nc2 a4 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1 Bf5 d4 Qd7 Na3 a5 Nc2 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 Bf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 g3 Bf6 Re1 Bf5 d4 Qd7 Na3 a5 Nc2 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 Bf4 g5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4 Bd6 Rad1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4 Bd6 Rad1 Nc6 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4 Bd6 Rad1 Nc6 g3 Be5 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2 Kxg2 Rc8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7 Bxb7 Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2 Kxg2 Rc8 Bb5 cxd4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4 Bd6 Rad1 Nc6 g3 Be5 f4 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2 Nb6 Be2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7 Bxb7 Rb8 Bxa6 Rxb2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2 Nb6 Be2 O-O c3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7 Bxb7 Rb8 Bxa6 Rxb2 Bd3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7 Bxb7 Rb8 Bxa6 Rxb2 Bd3 Bd6 Bc1 Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7 Bxb7 Rb8 Bxa6 Rxb2 Bd3 Bd6 Bc1 Rb8 a4 Be5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 d4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 Nc6 O-O e6 Bf4 Qb4 a3 Qb6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nxd4 Qxb7 Qxb7 Bxb7 Rb8 Bxa6 Rxb2 Bd3 Bd6 Bc1 Rb8 a4 Be5 Ra2 Ke7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 g3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2 Nb6 Be2 O-O c3 Na5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2 Kxg2 Rc8 Bb5 cxd4 f6 dxc3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Be7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3 a6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 a6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc4 Nc6 dxe4 Qxd1
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2 Kxg2 Rc8 Bb5 cxd4 f6 dxc3 fxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2229)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 c5 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2 Nb6 Be2 O-O c3 Na5 Qc2 Nb3 Ra2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 c6 Bc4 Bf5 Bd2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 c5 d5 Qb6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5 h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5 Nbd7 exf6 Bb7 g3 c5 d5 Qb6 Bg2 O-O-O O-O
Transpose to wikichess #40472#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc4 Nc6 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5 Ne3 d4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc4 Nc6 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 f3 Be6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O c4 d4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 O-O Nf6 e5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O c4 d4 Nc2 Re8
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc4 Nc6 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 f3 Be6 c3 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 f5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5 Ne3 d4 Nc4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2 Bg4 f3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Rh5 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 O-O Nf6 e5 Nd5 exd6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Re1 Be7 h3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 f5 d4 Bxa3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O c4 d4 Nc2 Re8 a3 a5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5 Ne3 d4 Nc4 Nc6 e3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Be7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Ne5 Nd5 Rab1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2 Nb6 Be2 O-O c3 Na5 Qc2 Nb3 Ra2 f5 exf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Nxc6 bxc6 exd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1718)
e4 c5 c3 d6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 h3 Bg7 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #22326#
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 Qa5 N1c3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 Qa5 N1c3 Bb4 a3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 dxe5 Nxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 f5 d4 Bxa3 bxa3 e4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Be7 Nf3 O-O a4 h6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5 Ne3 d4 Nc4 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 d6 O-O Nf6 e5 Nd5 exd6 Bxd6 Ne4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 f5 d4 Bxa3 bxa3 e4 Ne5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Be7 Nf3 O-O a4 h6 c3 Be6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5 Ne3 d4 Nc4 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe3 Nxe3 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 Qa5 N1c3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2 Kxg2 Rc8 Bb5 cxd4 f6 dxc3 fxe7 Qxe7 Qe2 a6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Ne5 Nd5 Rab1 f6 Ng6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 g3 Bc5 Nf3 Nc6 Bg2 f5 d4 Bxa3 bxa3 e4 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Ne7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 O-O c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 e4 d3 d5 Ne3 d4 Nc4 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Bd2 dxe3 Nxe3 Bxd2 Qxd2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 Be3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Nxb3 Nxb3 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Ne5 Nd5 Rab1 f6 Ng6 Rd8 Qe4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Nxb3 Nxb3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 Be3 Nc6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 c3 g6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 O-O c5 dxc5 Nc6 exd5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Rh5 Qc7 Bf4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Rh5 Qc7 Bf4 Nc6 Rxg5 Rxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Rh5 Qc7 Bf4 Nc6 Rxg5 Rxg5 Qxg5 Qe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 Ng6 Ne1 c5 g4 Bxb1 Rxb1 Nh4 f4 Be7 f5 O-O Ng2 Nxg2 Kxg2 Rc8 Bb5 cxd4 f6 dxc3 fxe7 Qxe7 Qe2 a6 Bd3 c2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Nxb3 Nxb3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Rb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6 f4 b5 f5 Bd7 Bd4 bxc4 Bxc4 Bb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qb6 Ne2 Qc7 Nc1 Be7 Nd3 c4 Nf2 Nb6 Be2 O-O c3 Na5 Qc2 Nb3 Ra2 f5 exf6 gxf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Nxb3 Nxb3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Rb6 h4 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g5 Nge2 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 bxa5 dxc3 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Rh5 Qc7 Bf4 Nc6 Rxg5 Rxg5 Qxg5 Qe7 Qg3 Nxa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7 h4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7 h4 O-O a3 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7 h4 O-O a3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Rfd8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Ng3 e6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 Ne4 Be7 Nxf6 Nxf6 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qb6 Ne5 Nd5 Rab1 f6 Ng6 Rd8 Qe4 Nb4 Ne7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 g4 b5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Nxb3 Nxb3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Rb6 h4 e5 Nd2 Ra6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Toro (1030)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 Qa5 N1c3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 a6 Nd6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7 h4 O-O a3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Rfd8 Nd4 Rac8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7 h4 O-O a3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Rfd8 Nd4 Rac8 h5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bb7 h4 O-O a3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Rfd8 Nd4 Rac8 h5 h6 Bh4 Nh7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 O-O c5 dxc5 Nc6 exd5 exd5 Be3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 a6 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 Qe2 Kf8 Be3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 dxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2 Nc6 dxe5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 c3 g6 f4 a6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 c3 g6 f4 a6 dxc5 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 a6 O-O d5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2 Nc6 dxe5 Bg4 f3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Nc3 g5 h3 d5 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 dxe4 Nxe4 f6 a3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6 f4 b5 f5 Bd7 Bd4 bxc4 Bxc4 Bb5 Qe2 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 g6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 d6 Be2 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2 Be6 O-O Qa5 b3 Rfc8 Rad1 a6 f4 b5 f5 Bd7 Bd4 bxc4 Bxc4 Bb5 Qe2 Bxc4 bxc4 Rab8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 h5 Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Bd3 e5 Qe2 Nc6 dxe5 Bg4 f3 Nxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 a6 O-O d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 c3 g6 f4 a6 dxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 e4 c5 e5 Nfd7 c3 g6 f4 a6 dxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6 Nd2 Bh6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 a6 O-O d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Re1 O-O e5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 Nc5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 Nc5 Qe2 a5 Rac1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 Nc5 Qe2 a5 Rac1 Bf8 Qe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 Nc5 Qe2 a5 Rac1 Bf8 Qe3 b5 Bf1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 Nc5 Qe2 a5 Rac1 Bf8 Qe3 b5 Bf1 b4 Nd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8 c4 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8 c4 c5 Rb1 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 d3 d5 e4 dxe4 Nc4 Nc6 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 f3 Be6 c3 O-O-O Kc2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nb4 Be2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Rc3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 a6 O-O d5 Nbd2 Nf6 Re1 O-O e5 Nfd7 Nf1
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Rc3 Nb6 Nd3 Nxd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8 c4 c5 Rb1 a5 Bf4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Rc3 Nb6 Nd3 Nxd3 Bxd3 Na4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Rc3 Nb6 Nd3 Nxd3 Bxd3 Na4 Rc2 Bd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2 g6 Ng3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8 c4 c5 Rb1 a5 Bf4 Qc7 Bd3 Nd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8 c4 c5 Rb1 a5 Bf4 Qc7 Bd3 Nd4 b3 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 O-O d4 Nf5 d5 Nxe5 Rxe5 d6 Re1 Bd7 Nd2 c6 Ne4 Re8 c4 c5 Rb1 a5 Bf4 Qc7 Bd3 Nd4 b3 g6 Qd2 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2 g6 Ng3 Bg7 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nd2 c5 a4 Bd6 c3 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8 Nd2 Nh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nd2 c5 a4 Bd6 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Re8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8 Nd2 Nh5 Bxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nd2 c5 a4 Bd6 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Re8 Nf3 Rxe1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nd2 c5 a4 Bd6 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Re8 Nf3 Rxe1 Qxe1 bxa4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nd2 c5 a4 Bd6 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Re8 Nf3 Rxe1 Qxe1 bxa4 Rxa4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2 g6 Ng3 Bg7 Be2 O-O c3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 Nc6 a3
Transpose to wikichess #56909#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Be3
Transpose to wikichess #56094#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nd2 c5 a4 Bd6 c3 Nxb3 Nxb3 Re8 Nf3 Rxe1 Qxe1 bxa4 Rxa4 Nf6 Qd1 Qe8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 e3 c5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nb4 Be2 d5 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2 g6 Ng3 Bg7 Be2 O-O c3 d5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Shura Dimanov (1800)
e4 e6 f4 d5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Shura Dimanov
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 Nce2 O-O Nf4 c5 c3 Nc6 Rh3 cxd4 cxd4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Rc3 Nb6 Nd3 Nxd3 Bxd3 Na4 Rc2 Bd7 Rac1 Rfc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2 g6 Ng3 Bg7 Be2 O-O c3 d5 Nd2 Nc6 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Bxe4 Bd3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Shura Dimanov (1800)
e4 e6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5
============
Contributors : Shura Dimanov
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e3 c5 d3 Nf6 Ne2 g6 Ng3 Bg7 Be2 O-O c3 d5 Nd2 Nc6 c4 e6 Nb3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Shura Dimanov (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 e6 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Shura Dimanov
Shura Dimanov (1800)
e4 e6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Shura Dimanov
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Nc3 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Bxe4 Bd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O Bd3 Ng5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 f6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7 O-O Be6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 d5 e6 c4
Transpose to wikichess #6712#
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Ng4 h3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nb4 Be2 d5 O-O a6 a3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O Bd3 Ng5 Nc3 Nxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 b6 f4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Bxe4 Bd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ne7 O-O c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8 Nd2 Nh5 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qe5 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Ng4 h3 h5 d4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
Na3 e5 Nc4 Nc6 e4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 f6 Be2 Be7 O-O Be6 d4 e4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4 Bd6 Rad1 Nc6 g3 Be5 f4 h6 Bh4 b6 b3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nf3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qg3 Bc5 Nc3 Ne7 Be2 O-O O-O Ng6 Bg5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Na4 Bd6 Rad1 Nc6 g3 Be5 f4 h6 Bh4 b6 b3 Bd4 Kg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Be3 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Ng4 h3 h5 d4 exd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2 Ne5 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Ng4 h3 h5 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2 c5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2 Ne5 h3 Qc7 Qe1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6 Bxf3 Rg1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6 Bxf3 Rg1 O-O Qf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6 Bxf3 Rg1 O-O Qf5 Bh5 Nb5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6 Bxf3 Rg1 O-O Qf5 Bh5 Nb5 a6 Bc3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Ng4 h3 h5 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bd6 f4
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2 Ne5 h3 Qc7 Qe1 e6 fxg6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2 Ne5 h3 Qc7 Qe1 e6 fxg6 fxg6 Qh4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6 Bxf3 Rg1 O-O Qf5 Bh5 Nb5 a6 Bc3 axb5 Qe5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 g4 dxc4 Bxc4 e5 g5 Nd5 Bd2 N7b6 Bxd5 cxd5 dxe5 Bg4 exd6 Bxf3 Rg1 O-O Qf5 Bh5 Nb5 a6 Bc3 axb5 Qe5 f6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2 Ne5 h3 Qc7 Qe1 e6 fxg6 fxg6 Qh4 d5 Kh1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Nc6 Be3 Bg7 Be2 O-O Nb3 a5 a4 Be6 O-O Rc8 f5 Bd7 Nd2 Ne5 h3 Qc7 Qe1 e6 fxg6 fxg6 Qh4 d5 Kh1 Bc6 Rad1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O O-O Nc3
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Bg5 h6 Be3 Bxd3 Qxd5 Rad8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5 fxe4 Bxe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5 fxe4 Bxe2 Bxe2 Qxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8 Nd2 Nh5 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qe5 g6 h3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5 fxe4 Bxe2 Bxe2 Qxc3 Kf2 Qxa1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8 Nd2 Nh5 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qe5 g6 h3 Qd7 Qh2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5 fxe4 Bxe2 Bxe2 Qxc3 Kf2 Qxa1 exd5 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5 fxe4 Bxe2 Bxe2 Qxc3 Kf2 Qxa1 exd5 h5 Qf4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 d6 Bb2
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O O-O Nc3 a6 Bf4
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2229)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 Qe2 Bg4 Qe5 Be6 Bg5 O-O Qg3 Re8 Nd2 Nh5 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qe5 g6 h3 Qd7 Qh2 Bf5 Bf1 Ng7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 c3 Bd7 f3 Bb5 fxe4 Bxe2 Bxe2 Qxc3 Kf2 Qxa1 exd5 h5 Qf4 Nd7 Rf1 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4 Rc8 Rfb1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 d6 Bb2 Nf6 bxc5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4 Rc8 Rfb1 f5 exf6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O O-O Nc3 a6 Bf4 Bd7 Qd2
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 d6 Bb2 Nf6 bxc5 Bg7 Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 d6 Bb2 Nf6 bxc5 Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 Bc4 Ng6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4 Nbd2 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 d6 Bb2 Nf6 bxc5 Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2 O-O cxd6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4 Rc8 Rfb1 f5 exf6 gxf6 Nd2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 d6 Bb2 Nf6 bxc5 Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Qe2 O-O cxd6 Bxb5 Qxb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 Bc4 Ng6 O-O d6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2189)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Be2 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4 Rc8 Rfb1 f5 exf6 gxf6 Nd2 Nxd2 Qxd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 O-O Bg4
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 Bc4 Ng6 O-O d6 d4 Be6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nd5 Qd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 h5 d4 e6 Nf3 Be7 Bd3 Nc6 Nc3 Nb4 Be2 d5 O-O a6 a3 Nc6 Bd3
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 d5 exd5 Nxd5
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 Bc4 Ng6 O-O d6 d4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 Bc4 Ng6 O-O d6 d4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 Qh4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Nikolay Timkin (1909)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 d4 Bb6 a4
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Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 Bc4 Ng6 O-O d6 d4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nc3 Be7 Qe2 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 Qh4 Qc7 Bc4 Rae8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4 Nbd2 Rfe8 c3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Ba4 Bd7 Bg5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4 Nbd2 Rfe8 c3 Nc6 Nh4 Rab8
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4 Nbd2 Rfe8 c3 Nc6 Nh4 Rab8 Nf5 Bc8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4 Nbd2 Rfe8 c3 Nc6 Nh4 Rab8 Nf5 Bc8 Nxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Ba4 Bd7 Bg5 Rd8 Rd1
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 Qh4 Qc7 Bc4 Rae8 Bf4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 O-O-O Nxe3
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3 e6
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Nc3 Bf5 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Bxd3 cxd3 e6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5
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Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Rfd1 Bc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 Bc4 c6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6 Qe2 fxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6 Qe2 fxe5 dxe5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6 Qe2 fxe5 dxe5 O-O Bg2 Qg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 Bc4 c6 Nxe5 Qf6 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 Bc4 c6 Nxe5 Qf6 f4 fxe4 Bf7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Nc3 Bf5 d3 exd3 Bxd3 Bxd3 cxd3 e6 O-O Bc5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6 Qe2 fxe5 dxe5 O-O Bg2 Qg6 O-O-O Rf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 d5 cxd5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6 Qe2 fxe5 dxe5 O-O Bg2 Qg6 O-O-O Rf5 f4 Ndc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 Bc4 c6 Nxe5 Qf6 f4 fxe4 Bf7 Kd8 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 d5 cxd5 Bg5 O-O Bxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 d5 cxd5 Bg5 O-O Bxf6 gxf6 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 Qh4 Qc7 Bc4 Rae8 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 d5 cxd5 Bg5 O-O Bxf6 gxf6 Qxd5 Kg7 Nc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Nxb3 axb3 b4 d4 e4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Ne5 Nf6 Re1 Be7 d5 cxd5 Bg5 O-O Bxf6 gxf6 Qxd5 Kg7 Nc4 Rb8 Rxa7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 Qh4 Qc7 Bc4 Rae8 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Rxe8 Rxe8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2 Be7 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 Bxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Nb5 Na6 Nh3 Qh6 g3 f6 Qe2 fxe5 dxe5 O-O Bg2 Qg6 O-O-O Rf5 f4 Ndc5 Nd4 Rf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O d4 Rad8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2 Be7 Qh5 Bf8 Nhf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2 Be7 Qh5 Bf8 Nhf3 Qe7 Nc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2 Be7 Qh5 Bf8 Nhf3 Qe7 Nc4 f6 Nfd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O d4 Rad8 c3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Rfd1 Bc6 Rd3 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Ba4 Bd7 Bg5 Rd8 Rd1 Be7 h3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2 Be7 Qh5 Bf8 Nhf3 Qe7 Nc4 f6 Nfd2 Ba6 Rf1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2175)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 d5 exd5 exd4 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 Qxd4 O-O O-O Nbd7 Nc3 Bb7 Re1 Bc5 Qh4 Qc7 Bc4 Rae8 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Rxe8 Rxe8 Ng5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O d4 Rad8 c3 c5 dxc5 Qe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Re1 Nd7 d3 O-O Be3 Bf6 a4 a5 Nbd2 b6 h3 Re8 Nh2 Be7 Qh5 Bf8 Nhf3 Qe7 Nc4 f6 Nfd2 Ba6 Rf1 Qf7 Qxf7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O h3 Ne5 Bb3 c5 Nf3 Bd7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Rb8 a4 Qc7 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Rfd1 Bc6 Rd3 Bg5 Rad1 Rbd8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O d4 Rad8 c3 c5 dxc5 Qe6 Re1 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 O-O Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 d5 exd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O d4 Rad8 c3 c5 dxc5 Qe6 Re1 Bxc5 Bf4 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe5 Bf5 O-O O-O d4 Rad8 c3 c5 dxc5 Qe6 Re1 Bxc5 Bf4 a5 Bg3 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 g6 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O b3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 Be3 Qc7 Qe2 b4 Nbd2 Rfe8 c3 Nc6 Nh4 Rab8 Nf5 Bc8 Nxe7 Qxe7 Qf3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Ba4 Bd7 Bg5 Rd8 Rd1 Be7 h3 Be8 Rxd8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O b3 b6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O b3 b6 Bb2 c5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6 c3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Qc2 f5 exf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O O-O b3 b6 Bb2 c5 Nbd2 Bb7 dxc5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8 Qf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
g3 c6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #9883#
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8 Qf2 c5 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2257)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bd3 Be7 O-O O-O c4 Qd7 dxc5 Rd8 Bc2 Qxd1 Rxd1 Rxd1 Bxd1 Bxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Ba4 Bd7 Bg5 Rd8 Rd1 Be7 h3 Be8 Rxd8 Bxd8 b4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 dxc3 exf6 Qxf6 dxc3 c6 Bd3 d5 O-O Bd6 Qh5 g6 Qh6 Bf8 Qe3 Be7 f4 O-O f5 g5 Re1 Bd8 Qf2 c5 Be3 b6 Qg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Rad8 Qg2 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 Bd6 Re1 Bf5 Qf3 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Rad8 Qg2 Qh5 Be3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6 c3 Nc6 Nbd2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Qc2 f5 exf6 Nxf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O O-O a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Qc2 f5 exf6 Nxf6 Nc3 Be7 Bg5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O O-O a4 a5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4 Nxd4 Rc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O O-O a4 a5 Bd2 Bc6 b3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4 Nxd4 Rc8 b4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4 Nxd4 Rc8 b4 Nc6 Nxc6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O O-O a4 a5 Bd2 Bc6 b3 Nf5 Rae1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O O-O a4 a5 Bd2 Bc6 b3 Nf5 Rae1 Qe7 Qf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 Bb2 Nf6 Nd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 e4 e6 dxe6 fxe6 Nc3 b6 f4 Nf7 Bd3 Bb7 Nf3 a6 e5 Bb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Ne7 Qe2 c5 O-O O-O a4 a5 Bd2 Bc6 b3 Nf5 Rae1 Qe7 Qf2 h5 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4 Nxd4 Rc8 b4 Nc6 Nxc6 Bxc6 Bb2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (2017)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 dxe5 Nc5 Be2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4 Nxd4 Rc8 b4 Nc6 Nxc6 Bxc6 Bb2 Nd7 Bb3 Bf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O g6 g4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Tim Gibson (2017)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 dxe5 Nc5 Be2 c6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 Bb2 Nf6 Nd5 O-O d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 d4 d6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6 c3 Nc6 Nbd2 Nf6 b4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 d6 Qc2 f5 exf6 Nxf6 Nc3 Be7 Bg5 O-O e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6 Ke2 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Bb7 Nbd2 exd4 Nxd4 Rc8 b4 Nc6 Nxc6 Bxc6 Bb2 Nd7 Bb3 Bf6 Bxf6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 Bb2 Nf6 Nd5 O-O d3 Nc6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O g6 g4 Bg7 h4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6 Ke2 Rfe8 Rc2 g5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O g6 g4 Bg7 h4 O-O Re1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 Bg7 e3 O-O Rc1 Be6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 b3 Qa5 Qd2 Qxd2 Kxd2 c6 Nf3 h6 Bc4 Bxc4 bxc4 Nd7 Rhd1 c5 d5 Nb6 Ke2 Rfe8 Rc2 g5 Bc7 Rec8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O g6 g4 Bg7 h4 O-O Re1 Rfe8 Bd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 Bb2 Nf6 Nd5 O-O d3 Nc6 Qd2 Nxd5 Bxg7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #9212#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4 h4 Bxh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4 h4 Bxh4 e5 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 Nc6 Nf3 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 O-O a6
Transpose to wikichess #38760#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Bf4 d5 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #9135#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 c6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nf6 c4 b4 Nxf6 Qxf6 Nc2 Be7 Ne3 O-O Bd3 Qg6 O-O Bg5 Nd5 a5 f4 exf4 h4 Bxh4 e5 Bg4 Bxg6 Bxd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O g6 g4 Bg7 h4 O-O Re1 Rfe8 Bd3 Qd8 g5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Na6 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Bg5 Bd6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c4 Bg7 d4
Transpose to wikichess #38658#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Na6 e3 g6 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5 Rh3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5 Rh3 Nb6 Rg3 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Na6 e3 g6 Bxa6 bxa6 h3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5 Rh3 Nb6 Rg3 f6 a3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5 Rh3 Nb6 Rg3 f6 a3 Bd7 exf6 Rxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5 Rh3 Nb6 Rg3 f6 a3 Bd7 exf6 Rxf6 Ne5 Nxe5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Qg4 O-O Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O c4 Be2 b5 Rh3 Nb6 Rg3 f6 a3 Bd7 exf6 Rxf6 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Rf5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6 Re1 c5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6 Re1 c5 Nh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6 Re1 c5 Nh4 b5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6 Re1 c5 Nh4 b5 Nf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O dxc4 Bxc4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O e4 e5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 d5 Rd8 Rc1 Rb8 h3 Nf8 Bb3 Ng6 Bg3 a6 Re1 c5 Nh4 b5 Nf5 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4 Nb5 Kd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6 Nxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4 Nb5 Kd7 Bd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6 Nxd5 Bxd5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4 Nb5 Kd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6 Nxd5 Bxd5 dxc5 Rfd8
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6 Nxd5 Bxd5 dxc5 Rfd8 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 d4 exd4 e5 Ne4 cxd4 Bf5 h3 Qd7 Nbd2 Nb4 Nf1 c5 a3 Nc6 Ne3 Be6 Nxd5 Bxd5 dxc5 Rfd8 Qxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4 Nb5 Kd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O a6 Nd6 Rf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4 Nb5 Kd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O a6 Nd6 Rf8 c4 Kc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 g6 Nge2 Nxc3 Nxc3 c5 a3 Qa5 axb4 Qxa1 Qf4 g5 Qd2 cxb4 Nb5 Kd7 Bd3 Nc6 O-O a6 Nd6 Rf8 c4 Kc7 f4 Qa4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Rb1 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3 Qb2 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5 Bf8 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6
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Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Na6 e3 g6 Bxa6 bxa6 h3 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3 bxc3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Rb1 Bxc5 dxc5 Qxd1
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3 bxc3 Qc7 h3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7 Be3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5 Bf8 a4 a5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Bg5 Bd6 O-O-O h6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 c6 Bf4 Na6 e3 g6 Bxa6 bxa6 h3 Bg7 O-O O-O Ne5
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5 d6 c3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7 a3 Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Rb1 Bxc5 dxc5 Qxd1 Rxd1 c2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5 d6 c3 bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5 d6 c3 bxc3 bxc3 f6 d4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3 bxc3 Qc7 h3 Bd7 e5 Nh5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7 a3 Rb8 Be3 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5 Re1 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5 Re1 Bd6 Nbd2 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5 d6 c3 bxc3 bxc3 f6 d4 Bb6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5 Re1 Bd6 Nbd2 Re8 b3 Rxe1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7 a3 Rb8 Be3 a5 Qe2 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3 bxc3 Qc7 h3 Bd7 e5 Nh5 Kg1 Bh6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5 Bf8 a4 a5 Nf3 Rad8 N3h4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5 Re1 Bd6 Nbd2 Re8 b3 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Bg5 Bd6 O-O-O h6 Bxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7 a3 Rb8 Be3 a5 Qe2 Nxb3 cxb3 Qb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Rb1 Bxc5 dxc5 Qxd1 Rxd1 c2 Rc1 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5 Re1 Bd6 Nbd2 Re8 b3 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7 Bb2 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3 bxc3 Qc7 h3 Bd7 e5 Nh5 Kg1 Bh6 Ng5 Bb5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5 Bf8 a4 a5 Nf3 Rad8 N3h4 Nc5 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5 d6 c3 bxc3 bxc3 f6 d4 Bb6 Qc2 Qd7 Be3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7 g4 Nc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7 g4 Nc5 Kb1 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7 Be3 Bb7 Rad1 Bf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5 c3 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Rb1 Bxc5 dxc5 Qxd1 Rxd1 c2 Rc1 Nbd7 O-O Nxe5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7 a3 Rb8 Be3 a5 Qe2 Nxb3 cxb3 Qb7 g5 Nh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 b4 Na4 Nxe4 Be5 Nf6 Nc5 c3 bxc3 bxc3 Rb1 Bxc5 dxc5 Qxd1 Rxd1 c2 Rc1 Nbd7 O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 Nc3 O-O a4 Na5 Ba2 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 exd5 d6 c3 bxc3 bxc3 f6 d4 Bb6 Qc2 Qd7 Be3 Rab8 Qd3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5 Bf8 a4 a5 Nf3 Rad8 N3h4 Nc5 f4 dxe4 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
b3 d5 Bb2 Bg4 g3 c6 Bg2 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 d3 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 O-O O-O h3 Bh5 e4 e5 Qe1 Re8 Nh4 Qc7 Nf5 Bf8 a4 a5 Nf3 Rad8 N3h4 Nc5 f4 dxe4 Bxe5 Qb6 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1 b6 a4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1 b6 a4 Bb7 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Na6 O-O c5 d5 Rb8 Kh1 Bg4 Bc4 Nc7 a4 a6 a5 Nb5 Qd3 Nxc3 bxc3 Qc7 h3 Bd7 e5 Nh5 Kg1 Bh6 Ng5 Bb5 f5 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Bg5 Bd6 O-O-O h6 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 f5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7 g4 Nc5 Kb1 d5 e5 Nfe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Na5 Bc2 d5 exd5 e4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Rxe4 Bb7 d3 Bxd5 Re1 Bd6 Nbd2 Re8 b3 Rxe1 Qxe1 Qd7 Bb2 Re8 Qf1 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1 b6 a4 Bb7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qb3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 Qb6 Bb3 e6 Qd2 Be7 O-O-O Nc5 f3 Qc7 Kb1 b5 g4 Bd7 a3 Rb8 Be3 a5 Qe2 Nxb3 cxb3 Qb7 g5 Nh5 a4 bxa4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7 g4 Nc5 Kb1 d5 e5 Nfe4 Be1 Rc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7 g4 Nc5 Kb1 d5 e5 Nfe4 Be1 Rc8 Be2 Na4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3 Qb2 O-O Qxc3 Qe2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2207)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 h6 Bh4 Qb6 a3 Nbd7 Bf2 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3 Be7 g4 Nc5 Kb1 d5 e5 Nfe4 Be1 Rc8 Be2 Na4 Ncxb5 Qb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Nbd7 Qe2 a5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 O-O Nxb5 Nxb5 d6 d3 Nf6 Qe1 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3 Qb2 O-O Qxc3 Qe2 Qb2 Rfb1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3 Qb2 O-O Qxc3 Qe2 Qb2 Rfb1 Qc2 Qe1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3 Qb2 O-O Qxc3 Qe2 Qb2 Rfb1 Qc2 Qe1 Qc3 a5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7 Be3 Bb7 Rad1 Bf6 Nd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2230)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 d5 e3 c6 Bd3 Qb6 Bxe4 dxe4 Nd2 g5 Bg3 Qxb2 Ne2 f5 a4 Qb6 h4 g4 Nf4 Bg7 c3 Qb2 O-O Qxc3 Qe2 Qb2 Rfb1 Qc2 Qe1 Qc3 a5 Bh6 Rc1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Bg5 Bd6 O-O-O h6 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 f5 Nxd6 cxd6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1 Nh7 Be3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5 c3 a5 a4 e6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1 Nh7 Be3 f5 f3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c6 f4 d5 Nf3 dxe4 Ng5 Nf6 Bc4 e6 Nc3 b5 Bb3 Nbd7 Qe2 a5 a3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1 Nh7 Be3 f5 f3 fxe4 fxe4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1 Nh7 Be3 f5 f3 fxe4 fxe4 Nf6 Nd3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1 Nh7 Be3 f5 f3 fxe4 fxe4 Nf6 Nd3 Ng4 Bg5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Bg5 Na6 Nd2 Qe8 Be2 Kh8 h4 h5 Nb3 b6 Nc1 Nh7 Be3 f5 f3 fxe4 fxe4 Nf6 Nd3 Ng4 Bg5 Nb4 Bf3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Maxim Genchev (2230)
e4 Nc6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxe4 Nf6 Qa4 Bd7 Bb5 a6 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd7 Kxd7 Nf3 b5 a3 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Bg5 Bd6 O-O-O h6 Bxf6 gxf6 Ne4 f5 Nxd6 cxd6 Rd2 Rhf8
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5 Bd7 Qf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5 Nxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5 c3 a5 a4 e6 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6 Bxe6 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7 Be3 Bb7 Rad1 Bf6 Nd4 O-O Qg3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5 Nxf6 Qxf6 Rc1 Nd7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7 Be3 Bb7 Rad1 Bf6 Nd4 O-O Qg3 Nc5 h4 g6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 Qc7 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Bc5 Nb3 Be7 f4 d6 Qf3 Nbd7 a4 b6 g4 h6 Qh3 Nh7 Be3 Bb7 Rad1 Bf6 Nd4 O-O Qg3 Nc5 h4 g6 g5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5 Bd7 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5 c3 a5 a4 e6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5 Bd7 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 Nc6 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5 Nf5 Rxd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6 gxf6 Ne4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5 Nf5 Rxd1 Rxd1 hxg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O h4 g4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5 c3 a5 a4 e6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qe4 Rac8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Re1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bb4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bb4 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #61382#
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d3 d6
Transpose to wikichess #21635#
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5 Bd7 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 Nc6 Rfe1 Nde7 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2211)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 h6 h3 Be6 g4 Ne7 Nd4 Rd8 Kg2 Bc8 Bf4 Ng6 Bg3 h5 Nf5 Rxd1 Rxd1 hxg4 hxg4 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5 Nxf6 Qxf6 Rc1 Nd7 c5 Qf5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5 Bd7 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 Nc6 Rfe1 Nde7 Nxc6 Bxc6 Rad1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Re1 Kf7 Rad1
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 a6 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 Qe2 c6 O-O O-O e5 Nd5 Re1 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nf3 N7b6 Bb3 Bg4 Nxd5 Nxd5 c3 a5 a4 e6 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 Qe4 Rac8 Bc4 Qd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O h4 g4 Be2 f5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5 Nxf6 Qxf6 Rc1 Nd7 c5 Qf5 cxd6 cxd6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2209)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 b5 dxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Bb4 Nc3 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nd2 Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3 Rc1 Bb2 Bxc7 Qe7 Bd6 Qe6 Rb1 Nc6 Rxb2 Qxd6 e3 O-O h4 g4 Be2 f5 O-O b6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2211)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 c5 Bxc4 cxd4 Nxd4 h6 Bf4 Nxe4 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bb5 Bd7 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 Nc6 Rfe1 Nde7 Nxc6 Bxc6 Rad1 Bxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2209)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 b5 dxc6 bxc4 cxd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1 b6 a4 Bb7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qb3 Be4 a5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1 b6 a4 Bb7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qb3 Be4 a5 Rfb8 Qb4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2209)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 b5 dxc6 bxc4 cxd7 Rxd7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Re1 Kf7 Rad1 Rg8 Kh2
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 e5 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5 Nxf6 Qxf6 Rc1 Nd7 c5 Qf5 cxd6 cxd6 f3 Qd5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2209)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 b5 dxc6 bxc4 cxd7 Rxd7 Qc2 Qa6 Red1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 Bc5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2209)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 b5 dxc6 bxc4 cxd7 Rxd7 Qc2 Qa6 Red1 Rxd1 Rxd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 e5 Qxe5 d3 Bh6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Re1 Kf7 Rad1 Rg8 Kh2 b6 Bh6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 Bc5 Nf3 Qb6 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxc5 Nxe4 cxd6 Nc6 Be3 Nxd6 Nc3 g6 Nb5 Bg7 Nxd6 exd6 c3 O-O Be2 Qc7 O-O Ne5 Re1 b6 a4 Bb7 Nxe5 dxe5 Qb3 Be4 a5 Rfb8 Qb4 Bc6 axb6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 Bc5 Nf3 Qb6 Bxc5 Nxc5 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 Bc5 Nf3 Qb6 Bxc5 Nxc5 O-O-O O-O Kb1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2219)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 h3 Ng6 Be3 f6 exf6 gxf6 Ne4 Be7 Re1 Kf7 Rad1 Rg8 Kh2 b6 Bh6 c5 Rd5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 e5 Qxe5 d3 Bh6 Nc3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne2 Ba6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5 Bg4 Bf6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5 Bg4 Bf6 f3 Nc4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne2 Ba6 d3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5 Bg4 Bf6 f3 Nc4 Be6 Kh8
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 Bf6 O-O O-O Be1 Nxc3 Bxc3 Be4 Ne5 Bxg2 Kxg2 d6 Ng4 h5 Nxf6 Qxf6 Rc1 Nd7 c5 Qf5 cxd6 cxd6 f3 Qd5 Qa4 b5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6 h4 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne2 Nf6 d3 Be7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bg3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6 h4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1711)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 d4 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne2 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O Ba6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bg3 f5 Re1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6 h4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 hxg5 Nf7
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5 Bg4 Bf6 f3 Nc4 Be6 Kh8 Bf4 Nxb2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d4 fxe4 Bxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d4 fxe4 Bxc6 dxc6 Bg5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6 h4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 hxg5 Nf7 Qc2 fxg5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d4 fxe4 Bxc6 dxc6 Bg5 Nf6 Nxe5 Bf5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 Bxc6 exf3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 b5 Bb3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d4 fxe4 Bxc6 dxc6 Bg5 Nf6 Nxe5 Bf5 c3 Qd5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5 Bg4 Bf6 f3 Nc4 Be6 Kh8 Bf4 Nxb2 Bxd5 Nxd1
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 Bxc6 exf3 Bxf3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6 Bxe6 Nxd4 Nd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bg3 f5 Re1 Be6 Bxg4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 Bxc6 exf3 Bxf3 Nf6 Qe2 d6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7 a3 h6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Vadim Khachaturov (2363)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 Nc6 Be2 Nd7 Be3 Nb6 Qc5 f5 Rd1 fxe4 Nxe4 Be6 Nfg5 Bd5 Bg4 Bf6 f3 Nc4 Be6 Kh8 Bf4 Nxb2 Bxd5 Nxd1 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6 Bxe6 Nxd4 Nd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 Ne6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6 Bxe6 Nxd4 Nd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 Ne6 Qg3 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6 Bxe6 Nxd4 Nd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 Ne6 Qg3 Nxd5 Rxd5 Qxg3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 Bxc6 exf3 Bxf3 Nf6 Qe2 d6 d4 Qe7
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Nf6 Ng5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nd4 exf5 c6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Nf6 Ng5 d5 Ne6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d4 fxe4 Bxc6 dxc6 Bg5 Nf6 Nxe5 Bf5 c3 Qd5 Qb3 Qxb3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7 a3 h6 d4 Ba6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Jaimie Wilson (1534)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 d4 Bb4 a3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1534)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 d4 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1534)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 d4 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O c4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1534)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 Nc3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 d4 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O c4 Re8 Be3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 Bb3 b5 Bg5 Be7 Qf3 Qc7 e5 Bb7 exd6 Bxd6 Qe3 Bc5 O-O-O Nc6 Bxe6 Nxd4 Nd5 Bxd5 Bxd5 Ne6 Qg3 Nxd5 Rxd5 Qxg3 fxg3 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 Bxc6 exf3 Bxf3 Nf6 Qe2 d6 d4 Qe7 O-O Bd7
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bg3 f5 Re1 Be6 Bxg4 fxg4 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Nxe5 Qd5 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Nxe5 Qd5 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bb4 Nbd2 Nf4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bb4 Nbd2 Nf4 a3 Nd3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bb4 Nbd2 Nf4 a3 Nd3 Bxd3 d5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1606)
e4 Nc6 d4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 e6 c4 Bb4 Nbd2 Nf4 a3 Nd3 Bxd3 d5 axb4 Nxb4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bg3 f5 Re1 Be6 Bxg4 fxg4 Bxe5 b6 Bd4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Nxe5 Qd5 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 Bd6 c4 Qe6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Bb5 dxe4 Nxe5 Qd5 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 Bd6 c4 Qe6 Bf4 f6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Timothy Cookson (2183)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be3 Be7 Be2 Ng4 Bf4 O-O O-O Nc6 Na3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bxa3 bxa3 e5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bg3 f5 Re1 Be6 Bxg4 fxg4 Bxe5 b6 Bd4 Rae8 a4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7 a3 h6 d4 Ba6 Rfc1 b4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6 h4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 hxg5 Nf7 Qc2 fxg5 e5 h6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O Nxe5 Nxe5 d4 Bxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O d3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
c4 c5 Nc3 d6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
c4 c5 Nc3 d6 e3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Be3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 d4 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 d4 d5 Qe2 Ng6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 d4 d5 Qe2 Ng6 h4 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 d4 d5 Qe2 Ng6 h4 h5 Nc3 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 d4 d5 Qe2 Ng6 h4 h5 Nc3 c6 exd5 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Ne7 d4 d5 Qe2 Ng6 h4 h5 Nc3 c6 exd5 Be7 dxc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 Nd4 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5 exf5 Nce7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5 exf5 Nce7 h4 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5 exf5 Nce7 h4 Qh5 Nxe7 Nxe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5 exf5 Nce7 h4 Qh5 Nxe7 Nxe7 Qe4 Kd8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5 exf5 Nce7 h4 Qh5 Nxe7 Nxe7 Qe4 Kd8 Rxg4 Qxf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 d6 g3 g4 Nh4 f3 d4 Be7 Be3 Bxh4 gxh4 Qxh4 Bf2 Qg5 Nd5 Kd7 Qd3 Nc6 Rg1 f5 exf5 Nce7 h4 Qh5 Nxe7 Nxe7 Qe4 Kd8 Rxg4 Qxf5 Qxf5 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
d4 d5 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 c3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 Bc5 Nf3 Qb6 Bxc5 Nxc5 O-O-O O-O Kb1 Rd8 Qe1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mateia Benone (1448)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink, Mateia Benone
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 O-O e5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 O-O e5 Re8 d4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Mateia Benone (1448)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink, Mateia Benone
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Qe7 Bc4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd2 O-O
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd2 O-O O-O-O d6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7 a3 h6 d4 Ba6 Rfc1 b4 Qe3 bxa3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 O-O e5 Re8 d4 Bb4 c3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 e4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 O-O e5 Re8 d4 Bb4 c3 Ba5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3 Bc4 Nh6 Qxh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd2 O-O O-O-O d6 a3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 O-O c6 Nxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 h4 d5 d4 dxe4 Ne5 e3 Bc4 Nh6 Qxh5 Qxd4 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nf3 O-O e5 Re8 d4 Bb4 c3 Ba5 Bd3 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simone Calvello (1529)
c4 e5 g3 d6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #57821#
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Qe7 Bc4 Qb4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 O-O c6 Nxg5 Qxg5 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7 a3 h6 d4 Ba6 Rfc1 b4 Qe3 bxa3 bxa3 Na5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Be7 Bxc6 dxc6 Qxe5 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 d6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2209)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 O-O e4 e5 d5 Rd8 h3 Nb6 Bb3
Transpose to wikichess #54934#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2281)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 Qd2 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Be6 h4 Nxc4 Bxc4 Bxc4 hxg5 Nf7 Qc2 fxg5 e5 h6 Qe4 d5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e6 Qe2 c5 f4 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Nf3 Be7 g3 d5 e5 Nd7 d3 O-O Bg2 b5 Be3 a5 O-O a4 Nbd2 Bb7 Bf2 Qc7 a3 h6 d4 Ba6 Rfc1 b4 Qe3 bxa3 bxa3 Na5 Bf1 Nb3
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
d4 d5 Nf3 c5 g3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
d4 d5 Nf3 c5 g3 cxd4 Bg2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxg5 Qg4 Bf6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Qe7 Bc4 Qb4 Nbd2 Ng4 Qf4
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #8306#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
d4 Nf6 f3 d5 Nc3 e6 Bg5 Be7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxg5 Qg4 Bf6 Nxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Simon Zeckarias (0951)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3 Qe7 Bc4 Qb4 Nbd2 Ng4 Qf4 d6 Qxf7
============
Contributors : Simon Zeckarias
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d6 d4
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nf6 c3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #33295#
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 O-O Be2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 Nf6 exf5 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 Nd4 Nxe5 d6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 d6 O-O Bd7
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 a6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Nf3 O-O Be2 Be6 O-O dxc4 Ne5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 a6 Nh3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Bd3 b6 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #960#
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 d6 e6
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2209)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 d6 e6 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 O-O c4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2281)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 Be3 c5 f4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 Bc5 Nf3 Qb6 Bxc5 Nxc5 O-O-O O-O Kb1 Rd8 Qe1 Bd7 f5
Transpose to wikichess #42703#
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qa5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Be5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 a3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qa5 Nc3 d6 h3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 a3 Be7 Nf4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 O-O c4 Bxc4 b5 Bd5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Be5 Ng4 Bc7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qa5 Nc3 d6 h3 Nc6 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2209)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nf6 d3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 a3 Be7 Nf4 d5 b3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Be5 Ng4 Bc7 Rd7 Ba5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e5 Bxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 O-O c4 Bxc4 b5 Bd5 Qb6 Kh1
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 b3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 b3 Be7 Bb2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 b3 Be7 Bb2 O-O Nbd2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 a6 Nh3 Nf6 Nf2 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Bd3 b6 O-O Bb7 b3 Be7 Bb2 O-O Nbd2 d6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qa5 Nc3 d6 h3 Nc6 d5 Nd4 Rb1
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf5 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 e6 a3 a5 b5 d5 e3 Bd6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 O-O Nf3 Nbd7 a4
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Be5 Ng4 Bc7 Rd7 Ba5 Ne5 Rac1
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1529)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 a3 Be7 Nf4 d5 b3 c6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 g5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O c5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Steve Lim (2282)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 e6
Transpose to wikichess #67166#
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 e5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Qd7
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Simone Calvello (1529)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 d3 d6 f4 a6 Nh3 Nf6 Nf2 O-O O-O Nd4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 a6 O-O-O c5 Nb3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 g5 d3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Be5 Ng4 Bc7 Rd7 Ba5 Ne5 Rac1 g6 Bh3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c4 Qa5 Nc3 d6 h3 Nc6 d5 Nd4 Rb1 Nxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2046)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 d5 Nf3 dxc4 Qxc4 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Na6 Rd1 Qa5 Nd4 Rd8 Bf4 Qb4 Qxb4 Nxb4 Be5 Ng4 Bc7 Rd7 Ba5 Ne5 Rac1 g6 Bh3 f5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 g5 d3 Bg7 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 g5 d3 Bg7 O-O Nc6 Bd2 Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 Nc3 g5 d3 Bg7 O-O Nc6 Bd2 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 Qh4
Transpose to wikichess #6487#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Genchev (2187)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 d6 e6 Bxe6 axb5
============
Contributors : Maxim Genchev
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6 d4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bxf4 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 O-O d6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #69535#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bxf4 Be7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bxf4 Be7 Nf3 O-O Qd2 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #40585#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 cxd5 d4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 d3 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6 Be2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Bg4 d4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6 Be2 Nf6 Na3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Bg4 d4 Bd6 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Bg4 d4 Bd6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxf4 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 cxd5 d4 Bb4 Bxf4 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6 Be2 Nf6 Na3 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxf4 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 h3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bxf4 Be7 Nf3 O-O Qd2 h6 Bc4 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 Bc5 Qe2 Bf5 Nc3 Qe7 Be3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bxf4 Be7 Nf3 O-O Qd2 h6 Bc4 c6 O-O d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O g4 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 cxd5 d4 Bb4 Bxf4 O-O Be2 Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6 Be2 Nf6 Na3 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8 d4 g6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 Nf6 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Bxf4 O-O O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be2 Bg4 d4 Bd6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxf4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Rc8 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2238)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 dxc4 Qxc4
Transpose to wikichess #62573#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O g4 b4 Na4 Qb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 h3 d6 O-O Nh6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6 a6 bxa6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6 a6 bxa6 Qc3 Bxd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O g4 b4 Na4 Qb7 Rhe1 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 dxe5 Nxb5 a4 Nbd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 d5 Nc3 c6 a5 Bf5 f4 h5 b4 h4 h3 Be7 Nd1 Bxc2 f5 f6 a6 bxa6 Qc3 Bxd1 Qxc6 Kf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 g3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O g4 b4 Na4 Qb7 Rhe1 e5 g5 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (1960)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 b3 Nxf3 Qxf3 e5 Qh3 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Rc8 O-O Qd8 Qf2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qxe5 Qg6 Qg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O g4 b4 Na4 Qb7 Rhe1 e5 g5 exd4 gxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Rc8 O-O Qd8 Qf2 Rxc3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5 a6 a4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 Bc4 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 Qe2 e6 O-O-O b5 Bb3 Qb6 f4 Be7 Kb1 O-O g4 b4 Na4 Qb7 Rhe1 e5 g5 exd4 gxf6 Bxf6 Bd5 Qb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Rc8 O-O Qd8 Qf2 Rxc3 Bxc3 Qc8 Rb3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qxe5 Qg6 Qg5 Qxc2 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 b3 Nxf3 Qxf3 e5 Qh3 f5 f4 Bf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 b3 Nxf3 Qxf3 e5 Qh3 f5 f4 Bf6 Rae1 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 h3 d6 O-O Nh6 Nc3 Bg7 Nxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qxe5 Qg6 Qg5 Qxc2 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bb5 Nd7 a4
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bb5 Nd7 a4 a6 Be2
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5 a6 a4 Bd6 Nc3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 d5 exd5 c6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 b5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bb5 Nd7 a4 a6 Be2 Ngf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 d5 d6 Bb5 Nd7 a4 a6 Be2 Ngf6 Nc3 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qxe5 Qg6 Qg5 Qxc2 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 Bd6 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 exd5 Nxd5 fxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bg4 Nf3 Nc6 Qe1 Qh5 d4 f6 Kf2 O-O-O Bb5 fxe5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qxe5 Qg6 Qg5 Qxc2 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2 Bd6 h3 Be6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6 dxc6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 d5 exd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 a6
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Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 g6 cxd4 d5 e5
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nxe5 dxe4 Nxc6 Qg5 c4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6 dxc6 Bxc6 c4 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 d5 exd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 Nf3 e5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nxe5 dxe4 Nxc6 Qg5 c4 Bd7 d3 Qxg2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5 a6 a4 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 e4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Qg4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6 Qxd6 a4
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Qg4 Qc7 Nf3 Qxc5
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5 a6 a4 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Qe7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6 dxc6 Bxc6 c4 b4 Nbd2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 O-O d6 d4 f6 Bxg8
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nxc5 Bd3 b5 Qe3 Nxd3 Rxd3 b4 Na4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5 a6 a4 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 e4 Qe7 Bd3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Qg4 Qc7 Nf3 Qxc5 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 g3 Nf6 Bg2 a6 d4 Bg4
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 g6 cxd4 d5 e5 Bg7 Bb5
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6 dxc6 Bxc6 c4 b4 Nbd2 Nd7 Nf1 Nc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Qe2 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d6 Rd1 Na5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6 Qxd6 a4 c4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 O-O d6 d4 f6 Bxg8 Rxg8 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6 Qxd6 a4 c4 Bc2
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Qg4 Qc7 Nf3 Qxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2000)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 Bc1 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6 Qxd6 a4 c4 Bc2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Nikolay Timkin (1897)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Qg4 Qc7 Nf3 Qxc5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Qb6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6 dxc6 Bxc6 c4 b4 Nbd2 Nd7 Nf1 Nc5 Ng3 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nxc5 Bd3 b5 Qe3 Nxd3 Rxd3 b4 Na4 Qc7 Re1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Ne5
Transpose to wikichess #6107#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 g6
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6 Be2 Nf6 Na3 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8 d4 g6 O-O Bg7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O h3 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 h3 Na5 c3 Nxb3 axb3 O-O Qc2 Bb7 d4 Re8 d5 c6 dxc6 Bxc6 c4 b4 Nbd2 Nd7 Nf1 Nc5 Ng3 g6 Be3 Ne6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1830)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Qd6 Be2 Nf6 Na3 Nc6 Nc4 Qd8 d4 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb7 a4 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Na3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Na3 Bd7 Nb5 Bxb5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bb5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb7 a4 b4 Bf4 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Na3 Bd7 Nb5 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 gxf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nxc5 Bd3 b5 Qe3 Nxd3 Rxd3 b4 Na4 Qc7 Re1 Rb8 Kb1
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb7 a4 b4 Bf4 g6 Rc1 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 g6 Nd2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 g6 cxd4 d5 e5 Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 f4
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 Nf6 O-O a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 Nf6 O-O a6 Bxc6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Qd3 Nf6 O-O a6 Bxc6 Bxc6 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nxc5 Bd3 b5 Qe3 Nxd3 Rxd3 b4 Na4 Qc7 Re1 Rb8 Kb1 Qa5 b3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3 dxe4 Nd2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bb5 Bd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 c6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 Nbd2 Re8 Nf1 exd4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb7 a4 b4 Bf4 g6 Rc1 Qb6 Nf3 Rac8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5 e3 d6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5 e3 d6 Nf3 e4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5 e3 d6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Na3 Bd7 Nb5 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nc6 Bxc6 Qxc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5 e3 d6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7 b5 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Bxb5 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6 c3 d6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3 dxe4 Nd2 Nf6 f3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 h6 Qf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6 Nf3 Ng4 h3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 Nc6 fxe5 Nh6 Nf3 Ng4 h3 Ngxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3
Transpose to wikichess #64546#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5 e3 d6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7 b5 O-O c4 c5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 a5 e3 d6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Be7 b5 O-O c4 c5 Ne2 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Na3 Bd7 Nb5 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nc6 Bxc6 Qxc6 Nf3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Nxb4 Qxb4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Nxb4 Qxb4 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd6 Nxb4 Qxb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 Bf4 g6 Nd2 Bf5 Bxf5 gxf5
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Wojciech Oziminski (1504)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 g6 cxd4 d5 e5 Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 f4 f6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Wojciech Oziminski
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Bxb5 Nxb5 Ng6 Re1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 a6
Transpose to wikichess #11064#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3 dxe4 Nd2 Nf6 f3 Nd5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2282)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 f4 a6 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nxc5 Bd3 b5 Qe3 Nxd3 Rxd3 b4 Na4 Qc7 Re1 Rb8 Kb1 Qa5 b3 Ne7 Qc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 b3 Nxf3 Qxf3 e5 Qh3 f5 f4 Bf6 Rae1 g6 Kh1 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3 dxe4 Nd2 Nf6 f3 Nd5 Qe2 Nc6 c3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 h6 Qf3 Qh4 g3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3 dxe4 Nd2 Nf6 f3 Nd5 Qe2 Nc6 c3 exf3 Ngxf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Bb5 Bd7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2 Ba6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 h6 Qf3 Qh4 g3 fxg3 hxg3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6 c3 d6 Bd3 e5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7
Transpose to wikichess #6437#
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 Qa5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7 Ne4 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2238)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 O-O Be7 c4 Nb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Nc6 exd6 cxd6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 b3 Nxf3 Qxf3 e5 Qh3 f5 f4 Bf6 Rae1 g6 Kh1 a6 g4 fxg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1828)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nc3 h6 Qf3 Qh4 g3 fxg3 hxg3 Qf6 Nd5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7 Ne4 O-O Re1 Re8
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7 Ne4 O-O Re1 Re8 Qf4 f5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6 c3 d6 Bd3 e5 O-O Nd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3 b4 Qb3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e6 f4 Qh4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d6 d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d6 d3 Nf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3 b4 Qb3 Nc6 Nce2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Qd8 c4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 Qa5 Bb2 Nc6 Be2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e6 f4 Qh4 g3 Qh5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d6 d3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3 b4 Qb3 Nc6 Nce2 e5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Be3 dxe4 Nd2 Nf6 f3 Nd5 Qe2 Nc6 c3 exf3 Ngxf3 Be7 Bf2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6 c3 d6 Bd3 e5 O-O Nd7 Nbd2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3 b4 Qb3 Nc6 Nce2 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Ng3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e6 f4 Qh4 g3 Qh5 Qxh5 g6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d6 d3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 exd6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d6 d3 Nf6 Nf3 O-O e5 Ng4 exd6 exd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Qd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 e6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6 Nc3 Nge7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3 b4 Qb3 Nc6 Nce2 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Ng3 a5 d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
c4 b5 e4 Bb7 Nc3 b4 Qb3 Nc6 Nce2 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Ng3 a5 d3 a4 Qd1
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Qd3 Nc5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2 Ba6 Nc3 Be5 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Qd3 Nc5 Qc2 a5 Be3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6 c3 d6 Bd3 e5 O-O Nd7 Nbd2 Qc7 Bc2 Ngf6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e6 f4 Qh4 g3 Qh5 Qxh5 g6 Qd1 b6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1667)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nf3 c6 c3 d6 Bd3 e5 O-O Nd7 Nbd2 Qc7 Bc2 Ngf6 Nc4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 Qa5 Bb2 Nc6 Be2 Qb6 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3 e6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nb5 Qd8 c4 dxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 Qc2 Be4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 Qc2 Be4 Qd2 e5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 e5 c5 b4 cxb4 a3 Qa5 Bb2 Nc6 Be2 Qb6 O-O Nh6 axb4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3 e6 Bf4 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 Qc2 Be4 Qd2 e5 Bg5 f6
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7 Ne4 O-O Re1 Re8 Qf4 f5 Nc3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3 e6 Bf4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Ngf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Be7 f4 O-O Bh5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Be7 f4 O-O Bh5 Nxe5 fxe5 Ne8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Be7 f4 O-O Bh5 Nxe5 fxe5 Ne8 Qf3 f5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Be7 f4 O-O Bh5 Nxe5 fxe5 Ne8 Qf3 f5 exf5 Rxf5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Be7 f4 O-O Bh5 Nxe5 fxe5 Ne8 Qf3 f5 exf5 Rxf5 Qe3 Ng7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Be7 f4 O-O Bh5 Nxe5 fxe5 Ne8 Qf3 f5 exf5 Rxf5 Qe3 Ng7 Bg6 b4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5 Qd2 Be5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 c6 Bd3 cxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 c6 Bd3 cxd5 Bxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 a3 Nge7 b4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6 Nc3 Nge7 d5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2000)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 e4 d3 Nf6 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf3 c6 Bd3 cxd5 Bxe4 dxe4 Qxd8 Kxd8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Gibson (1870)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 a3 Nge7 b4 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5 Qd2 Be5 g3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5 Qd2 Be5 g3 Nf6 Bf1 Nc5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5 Qd2 Be5 g3 Nf6 Bf1 Nc5 Rd1 Qe7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7 Ne4 O-O Re1 Re8 Qf4 f5 Nc3 Qd7 Rg1 e5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5 Qd2 Be5 g3 Nf6 Bf1 Nc5 Rd1 Qe7 b4 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O exd4 Nxd4 Re8 f3 c6 Nc2 Na6 Rf2 Nc7 Bg5 Ne6 Be3 Nh5 Qd2 Be5 g3 Nf6 Bf1 Nc5 Rd1 Qe7 b4 Bxc3 Qxc3 Ncxe4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nf3 c5 d3 Nf6 e5 Ng4 h3 Nh6 Bg5 Be7 Bxh6 gxh6 Qd2 Bf8 Qe3 d6 exd6 Nc6 O-O-O Bg7 Ne4 O-O Re1 Re8 Qf4 f5 Nc3 Qd7 Rg1 e5 Qd2 Nd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Simone Calvello (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 a6 b3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 a6 b3 c5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 a6 b3 c5 Bg2 b5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 e6 Nc3 Ne7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 e6 Nc3 Ne7 Bd3 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Qd3 Nc5 Qc2 a5 Be3 d6 exd6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 Qc2 Be4 Qd2 e5 Bg5 f6 Be3 Rc8
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2000)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O Nf3 d5 e3
Transpose to wikichess #75256#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Simone Calvello (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 a6 b3 c5 Bg2 b5 Nc3 Qb6 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Simone Calvello (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 a6 b3 c5 Bg2 b5 Nc3 Qb6 O-O Bb7 Bb2
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Calvello (1584)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 a6 b3 c5 Bg2 b5 Nc3 Qb6 O-O Bb7 Bb2 Be7 d4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O
Transpose to wikichess #72810#
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 d4 g5 O-O Nc6 Nc3 Nge7 d5 Ne5 Bb3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 Qc2 Be4 Qd2 e5 Bg5 f6 Be3 Rc8 Ne1 Bxg2
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ndf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ndf6 Bc4 Nh6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ndf6 Bc4 Nh6 N1f3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ndf6 Bc4 Nh6 N1f3 Bg4 h3 Bh5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simone Calvello (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1663)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Rc1 a6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 Ne4 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 c5 Bf4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Qd3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 Qc2 Be4 Qd2 e5 Bg5 f6 Be3 Rc8 Ne1 Bxg2 Kxg2 f5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Simone Calvello (1663)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 c3
Transpose to wikichess #21522#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1 dxe4 g5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 e5 f4 d5 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 c5 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 d4
Transpose to wikichess #11011#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Simone Calvello (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Rc1 a6 a3 b6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1663)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1663)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 Nc6 a3
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1663)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 Nc6 a3 Qb6 b4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ndf6 Bc4 Nh6 N1f3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 O-O e6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 Qxf3 gxf3 bxc6 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 a6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 Qxf3 gxf3 bxc6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 e5 f4 d5 d4 exd4 e5 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Nd5 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 Bb4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1795)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Qf6 e5 Qxe5 d3 Bh6 Bd2 Ne7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 e5 f4 d5 d4 exd4 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 e4 e5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qd2 Nf6 O-O-O Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Re1 Qf7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Re1 Qf7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Re1 Qf7 Qd2 Bd7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Re1 Qf7 Qd2 Bd7 Rad1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 Bb4 Be5 Ng4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 Ne1 Nd7 Nd3 f5 Bd2 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bg5 Nf6 Bg4 Qe8 Nxf6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Re1 Qf7 Qd2 Bd7 Rad1 g5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 Bb4 Be5 Ng4 Bxg4 hxg4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 Ne4 Bd2 O-O O-O
Transpose to wikichess #49900#
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 Bb4 Be5 Ng4 Bxg4 hxg4 Bf6 Be7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qd2 Nf6 O-O-O Be7 f3 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4 Nxd4 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Nd5 Nxe4 Qb6 g6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 Bf2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 g6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Nd5 Nxe4 Qb6 g6 f6 Bf2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 g6 Bd3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 Nc3 d5 d4 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 Nf3 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 O-O Ngf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 a3 Bb7 g4 h6 O-O-O Rc8 h4 d5 Rg1 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Nd5 Nxe4 Qb6 g6 f6 Bf2 b4 axb4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 Bf2 b4 g5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 c3 Bg7 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 Bb5 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 e5 f4 d5 d4 exd4 e5 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qa5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2 Ba6 Nc3 Be5 d6 Qb7 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 Bb4 Be5 Ng4 Bxg4 hxg4 Bf6 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 Bb4 Be5 Ng4 Bxg4 hxg4 Bf6 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 b3 f6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Calvello (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 Nc6 Rc1 a6 a3 b6 cxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2 Ba6 Nc3 Be5 d6 Qb7 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2 Ba6 Nc3 Be5 d6 Qb7 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf4 Rf5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2227)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 d5 Ne4 Bf4 Qb6 Bc1 e6 f3 Nf6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Na3 O-O Nc4 Re8 Kf2 Qc7 a4 b6 Ne2 Ba6 Nc3 Be5 d6 Qb7 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf4 Rf5 Qd2 Nh5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8 b3 Re6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 g6 Bd3 Bg7 O-O Nf8
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8 b3 Re6 Kh1 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O Rxa5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Calvello (1663)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 Nc6 a3 Qb6 b4 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8 b3 Re6 Kh1 Bd7 Bb2 Nh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8 b3 Re6 Kh1 Bd7 Bb2 Nh5 Rad1 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Be3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Tim Gibson (1848)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nc3 g6 Bd3 Bg7 O-O Nf8 Ne4 Ne6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8 b3 Re6 Kh1 Bd7 Bb2 Nh5 Rad1 a5 Nc4 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Re1 h6 d4 Ba7 h3 exd4 cxd4 Re8 Qc2 Rb8 b3 Re6 Kh1 Bd7 Bb2 Nh5 Rad1 a5 Nc4 a4 bxa4 Nf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1 Bd7 b4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O Rxa5 Bb2 Qe7 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1 Bd7 b4 Nd5 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 Bf2 b4 g5 bxc3 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O Rxa5 Bb2 Qe7 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (1981)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Nbd7 Bf4 Nh5 Bd2 Nhf6 Bf4
Transpose to wikichess #31581#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1 Bd7 b4 Nd5 O-O Nb6 Na5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 Bf2 b4 g5 bxc3 Qxd6 Nxe4 fxe4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2001)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rc8 Be2 a6 Kb1 b5 g4 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 Bf2 b4 g5 bxc3 Qxd6 Nxe4 fxe4 Bc6 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1 Bd7 b4 Nd5 O-O Nb6 Na5 Rad8 g3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O Rxa5 Bb2 Qe7 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 h6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4 Nce2 h6 O-O-O Qc7 h4 d5 Bf4 e5 Bh2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4 Nce2 h6 O-O-O Qc7 h4 d5 Bf4 e5 Bh2 dxe4 g5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O Rxa5 Bb2 Qe7 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 h6 Bxc6 Rc8 d5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4 Nce2 h6 O-O-O Qc7 h4 d5 Bf4 e5 Bh2 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4 Nce2 h6 O-O-O Qc7 h4 d5 Bf4 e5 Bh2 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Rxh2 Rxh2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Calvello (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 Nf3 Nd7 Bc4
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O a3 Nc6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2288)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 Bd6 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 a6 b4 a5 bxa5 O-O O-O Rxa5 Bb2 Qe7 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 h6 Bxc6 Rc8 d5 Ra6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Ng5 Ngf6 Bd3 e6 N1f3 Bd6 Qe2 O-O Nxe6 Bb4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1 Bd7 b4 Nd5 O-O Nb6 Na5 Rad8 g3 Nd5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1732)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2034)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 c6 e3 Nbd7 Nf3 Qa5 Nd2 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Be2 dxc4 Bxf6 Nxf6 Nxc4 Qc7 a3 Be7 Rc1 Bd7 b4 Nd5 O-O Nb6 Na5 Rad8 g3 Nd5 Ne4 Bc8 Nc4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4 Nce2 h6 O-O-O Qc7 h4 d5 Bf4 e5 Bh2 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Rxh2 Rxh2 exd4 Rh4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b4 Nce2 h6 O-O-O Qc7 h4 d5 Bf4 e5 Bh2 dxe4 g5 hxg5 hxg5 Rxh2 Rxh2 exd4 Rh4 Ng4 Rxg4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qf6 Nc3 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 g3 dxc4 Bg2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7 Nf3 c4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Qe7 d4 Bd6 Bf4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 b3 Bg4 Be2 Nbd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 O-O Nf6 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O a3 Nc6 Bb2 Ba5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Simone Calvello (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Nc6 d5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Simone Calvello (1584)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 Nf3 Nd7 Bc4 e6 h5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6 g3 Nxf2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Calvello (1663)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 f3 O-O Be3 c5 Nge2 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Ng3 h5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O a3 Nc6 Bb2 Ba5 Nf3 d5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6 g3 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qxh1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O a3 Nc6 Bb2 Ba5 Nf3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e3
Transpose to wikichess #79550#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 O-O Nf6 d4 d6 Ba3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6 g3 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qxh1 Nf3 c5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7 Nf3 c4 Be2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 O-O Nf6 d4 d6 Ba3 exd4 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Qe7 d4 Bd6 Bf4 Nbd7 Nxd7 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7 Nf3 c4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 g4 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 Nf6 e5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7 Nf3 c4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Ng5 Rg7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 d5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 d5 exd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O Bxg3 Nxg3
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6 g3 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qxh1 Nf3 c5 Rc1 cxd4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6 g3 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qxh1 Nf3 c5 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Rc8
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qc7
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 g4 O-O-O Kb1 Kb8
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7 Nf3 c4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Ng5 Rg7 f4 Qa4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 O-O Bd3 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf7 Qh5 g6 Qd1 Qa5 Bd2 Nd7 Nf3 c4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Nf6 Ng5 Rg7 f4 Qa4 Nf3 Bd7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qc7 Nb5 Qa5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qc7 Nb5 Qa5 Qd2 Qd8
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 g4 O-O-O Kb1 Kb8 h4 Rc8
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O Bxg3 Nxg3 a6 Rac1
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O Bxg3 Nxg3 a6 Rac1 cxd4 exd4
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 g4 O-O-O Kb1 Kb8 h4 Rc8 Rh3 g5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1732)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Bd7 Nc3 Be6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 Bxc3 bxc3 Qa5 e5 Ne4 Bd2 Qd5 Be3 O-O Qc2 Bd7 Nh4 h6 g3 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qxh1 Nf3 c5 Rc1 cxd4 cxd4 Rc8 Be2 Qxc1
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Nbd7 Qf3 Qc7 O-O-O b5 Bd3 Bb7 a3 Be7 f5 e5 Nb3 h6 Bxf6 Nxf6 g4 O-O-O Kb1 Kb8 h4 Rc8 Rh3 g5 hxg5 hxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 g3 O-O Bg2 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bf4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 g3 O-O Bg2 Nc6 O-O Bg4 Nxc6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nf5 Nf6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bf4 Qb6 Nf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bf4 Qb6 Nf5 f6 Kb1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nf5 Nf6 f3 g6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (1976)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 Nf5 Nf6 f3 g6 Ne3 Nc6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O Bxg3 Nxg3 a6 Rac1 cxd4 exd4 Qd6 Qd2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O Bxg3 Nxg3 a6 Rac1 cxd4 exd4 Qd6 Qd2 Rac8 Bf5
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2312)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 Qc2 h6 Bh4 Be6 e3 Nbd7 f3 Bd6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Qb8 Bg3 c5 O-O Bxg3 Nxg3 a6 Rac1 cxd4 exd4 Qd6 Qd2 Rac8 Bf5 Rfe8 Nce2
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Contributors : Steve Lim
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bf4 Qb6 Nf5 f6 Kb1 Rd8 Qe1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bf4 Qb6 Nf5 f6 Kb1 Rd8 Qe1 Nc5 Qg3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2034)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Qc7 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 f3 Nbd7 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bf4 Qb6 Nf5 f6 Kb1 Rd8 Qe1 Nc5 Qg3 Rd7 Ne3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4 Be6 Ndf3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Jaimie Wilson (1732)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Bc4 Bd7 Nc3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 Ne6 Bd6
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4 Be6 Ndf3 Bd6 Be3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7 Bh3 Nxc5
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7 Bh3 Nxc5 dxc5 O-O
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7 Bh3 Nxc5 dxc5 O-O O-O Ra6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7 Bh3 Nxc5 dxc5 O-O O-O Ra6 Qd2 Qa7
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7 Bh3 Nxc5 dxc5 O-O O-O Ra6 Qd2 Qa7 Rab1 g6
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2026)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Qc7 g3 b5 Nc5 a5 a3 Be7 Bh3 Nxc5 dxc5 O-O O-O Ra6 Qd2 Qa7 Rab1 g6 Qe1 Bd7
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6 Rc1 Bg6
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 Ne6 Bd6 Bxd6 Rxd6
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 Ne6 Bd6 Bxd6 Rxd6 Bxf3 Bxf3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6 Rc1 Bg6 Nc3 Rfd8
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 Ne6 Bd6 Bxd6 Rxd6 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nd4 Qd3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 Ne6 Bd6 Bxd6 Rxd6 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nd4 Qd3 Nxf3 Qxf3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1836)
e4 e6 b3 Nf6
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Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 bxc4 bxc4
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Rab8 Nbd2
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Rab8 Nbd2 Na5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4 Be6 Ndf3 Bd6 Be3 Rad8 Rad1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6 Rc1 Bg6 Nc3 Rfd8 Na4 Be4
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4 Be6 Ndf3 Bd6 Be3 Rad8 Rad1 Bxe5 Nxe5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6 Rc1 Bg6 Nc3 Rfd8 Na4 Be4 Nb6 Rab8
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Qc8 a3 Nc7 Nc3 O-O Bf4 Ne6 Bd6 Bxd6 Rxd6 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nd4 Qd3 Nxf3 Qxf3 Nc6 Rad1
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6 Rc1 Bg6 Nc3 Rfd8 Na4 Be4 Nb6 Rab8 Be2 e5
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Rab8 Nbd2 Na5 Qe2 Rb4 Ba3
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4 Be6 Ndf3 Bd6 Be3 Rad8 Rad1 Bxe5 Nxe5 Ng4 Nxg4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2284)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Be7 d4 Na5 Bd3 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nf6 O-O O-O Qc2 c5 Nd2 Qc7 f4 Be6 Ndf3 Bd6 Be3 Rad8 Rad1 Bxe5 Nxe5 Ng4 Nxg4 Bxg4 Rb1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 bxc4 bxc4 Rab8 Nbd2 Na5 Qe2 Rb4 Ba3 Rb7 Nb3
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Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vladimir Antonov (2286)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Qb6 Qxd5 e6 Qb3 Qxb3 axb3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bd2 Bc2 Bc4 O-O O-O a6 Rc1 Bg6 Nc3 Rfd8 Na4 Be4 Nb6 Rab8 Be2 e5 dxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2004)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O Bd6 Nc3
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Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2004)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 Nbd7 O-O Bd6 Nc3 O-O Qc2
Transpose to wikichess #9822#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 b5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7 c4 Rd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7 c4 Rd8 h3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Steve Lim (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Timothy Cookson (2253)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 Rd1 Kc8 Ng5 Be8 a4 h6 Nf3 c5 Nd5 a5 b3 b6 Bb2 Kb7 c4 Rd8 h3 Bd7 g4 Ne7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Steve Lim (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 b4
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Steve Lim (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 Be7 Be2 b5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 b4 Nxb4 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Steve Lim
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8 Kb1 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8 Kb1 Nxd5 Nb7 Qc7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8 Kb1 Nxd5 Nb7 Qc7 Qxd5 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8 Kb1 Nxd5 Nb7 Qc7 Qxd5 O-O Nxd6 Nf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8 Kb1 Nxd5 Nb7 Qc7 Qxd5 O-O Nxd6 Nf6 Qb3 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2024)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 O-O-O h5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Be7 Na5 Rc8 Kb1 Nxd5 Nb7 Qc7 Qxd5 O-O Nxd6 Nf6 Qb3 Bxd6 g3 Qc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 h3 e5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 h3 e5 Nf3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 h3 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Qe7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 h3 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Qe7 Nd5 Qd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 h3 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Qe7 Nd5 Qd7 dxe5 Qe6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 h3 e5 Nf3 Bd6 d4 Qe7 Nd5 Qd7 dxe5 Qe6 Bc4 Qd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 e6
Transpose to wikichess #50138#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 Qc7 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 Qc7 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 Qc7 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be7 g4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 Rg8 hxg5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4 b4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4 b4 Qb6 Qxb6 Nxb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4 b4 Qb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 a4 d4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4 b4 Qb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 a4 d4 Ne4 bxa4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4 b4 Qb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 a4 d4 Ne4 bxa4 O-O-O Ke7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2052)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc5 Nxc5 Nd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Na4 b4 Qb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 a4 d4 Ne4 bxa4 O-O-O Ke7 Rxd4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 Nc3 e6 Qd2
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6 g3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5 Nc6 Qc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nf6 d3 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 g4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Qe1 b5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 g4 Nxe5 gxh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 Be7
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Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 b3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 e5 dxe5 Qxd1 Nxd1 Nc6
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Ne4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 g4 Nxe5 gxh5 d6 Qb3 Bxh3 Bxh3 Qh4 Kd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 g4 Nxe5 gxh5 d6 Qb3 Bxh3 Bxh3 Qh4 Kd1 Qxh3 Qxb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3 h6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3 h6 Ne5 Qc8 Nxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 f3 e5 dxe5 Nh5 Nh3 Nc6 Bg5 Be7 Bxe7 Qxe7 g4 Nxe5 gxh5 d6 Qb3 Bxh3 Bxh3 Qh4 Kd1 Qxh3 Qxb7 O-O hxg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3 h6 Ne5 Qc8 Nxe6 Qxe6 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3 h6 Ne5 Qc8 Nxe6 Qxe6 f4 Nfd7 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3 h6 Ne5 Qc8 Nxe6 Qxe6 f4 Nfd7 a4 a5 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 b3 Bf5 Nc3 g6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2272)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 g3 c6 c4 dxc4 Bg2 Nbd7 O-O g6 Qc2 Nb6 Nbd2 Bg7 e4 Bg4 h3 Be6 Rd1 O-O Ng5 Qd7 Ndf3 h6 Ne5 Qc8 Nxe6 Qxe6 f4 Nfd7 a4 a5 Be3 Rfd8 Rac1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Qe1 b5 e5 Nxe5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5 Nc6 Qc3 Nxe4 Qe3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Qe1 b5 e5 Nxe5 Qxe5 bxa4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nf6 d3 O-O O-O d5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Patrick Satonnet (1833)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Ne5 Nf6 Be2 d6
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Contributors : Davide Nudo, Patrick Satonnet
In this line with very sharp and complicated variation, d6 seems a mistake, at least imprecision.
Now, after Bh5+, the king have to go to e7 and his beshop is a prisonner, decisive in this kind of position where each tempo, piece and activity is precious.
If 5..Be7, (not 5..d6) , after Bh5+, the king go on f8, and the bishop is ok on e7 and position is unclar.
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 b3 Bf5 Nc3 g6 a3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 b3 Bf5 Nc3 g6 a3 Bg7 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 b3 Bf5 Nc3 g6 a3 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1979)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 b3 Bf5 Nc3 g6 a3 Bg7 e3 O-O Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5 Nc6 Qc3 Nxe4 Qe3 d5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5 Nc6 Qc3 Nxe4 Qe3 d5 Nc3 Bc5 Qf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5 Nc6 Qc3 Nxe4 Qe3 d5 Nc3 Bc5 Qf3 Nxf2 Na4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 b5 Bd3 d6 a4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxc4
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nc3 e5 dxe5 Qxd1 Nxd1 Nc6 Nc3 Nb4
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Ne4 Qc2 Bxc3 bxc3
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Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nc3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 d6
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Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 b5 Bd3 d6 a4 b4 Na2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxc4 e6 dxe6
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nf6 d3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 e5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 Qc2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Ne4 Qc2 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 b5 c4 bxc4
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 Qc2 Qc7 d4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxc4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Qb5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 Nbd7 Be3 Rc8
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 O-O Qc2 c5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 b5 Bd3 d6 a4 b4 Na2 e5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 Qc2 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 O-O Qc2 c5 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 e6 Qh5 Nf6 Qe5 Nc6 Qc3 Nxe4 Qe3 d5 Nc3 Bc5 Qf3 Nxf2 Na4 Bd4 Ne2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1820)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 Qe2 Nc6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nf6 d3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 e5 b3 b6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Qd4 Ng6 Qxc4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 Qb5 Bd7 Qxb7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 Ne4 Qc2 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 Bd3 O-O Ba3
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 b5 c4 bxc4 Nc3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 Qc2 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Be3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Bg2 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 f3 e5 Nb3 Be6 c4 Nbd7 Be3 Rc8 N3d2 b5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3 Nc6 c3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 Be7 Nc3 O-O Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 Qc2 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Be3 Nc6 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #21034#
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 h6 Rd1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 Be7 Bxf6 Bxf6 Nc3 c5
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Réza Bey-Brahim (1800)
d4 b5 c4 bxc4 Nc3 Bb7 e3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Réza Bey-Brahim
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5 c4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 e5 Bb5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 d6
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 d6 d3 Be7
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 d6 d3 Be7 Nge2 Nd4
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4 N3xd4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 d6 d3 Be7 Nge2 Nd4 Bg5 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4 N3xd4 Qb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4 N3xd4 Qb8 Qd3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4 N3xd4 Qb8 Qd3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2293)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4 N3xd4 Qb8 Qd3 Qb6 Rad1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 f3 e5 c4 Nc6 Nc3 d6 d3 Be7 Nge2 Nd4 Bg5 O-O Ng3 Nd5
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 d4 Bf5 a4
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Joop Simmelink (2272)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 h3 Bd7 Re1 Re8 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Bb6 Nf1 h6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Ne7 d4 Ng6 Nf5 exd4 N3xd4 Qb8 Qd3 Qb6 Rad1 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 c4 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Simone Mora (1800)
b4 e5 Bb2 d5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Simone Mora (1800)
b4 e5 Bb2 d5 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Simone Mora
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 dxc5 Qa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5 Qf4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5 Qf4 Ne4 Bxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5 Qf4 Ne4 Bxe4 dxe4 Ne2 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5 Qf4 Ne4 Bxe4 dxe4 Ne2 O-O Nc3 Qd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5 Qf4 Ne4 Bxe4 dxe4 Ne2 O-O Nc3 Qd4 O-O Qxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Be3 Ne4 Qg4 g6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxc3 Bd3 b6 h4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Bd2 h5 Qf4 Ne4 Bxe4 dxe4 Ne2 O-O Nc3 Qd4 O-O Qxe5 cxb6 axb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3 Nc6 c3 g6 Be2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 dxe5 Nc5 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3 Nc6 c3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3 Nc6 c3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O Nf6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3 Nc6 c3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O Nf6 Bd2 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d3 Nc6 c3 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O Nf6 Bd2 O-O Be3 b6 a3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 dxe5 Nc5 Be3 Nxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 Bh6 Rfd8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 Bh6 Rfd8 Qg5 Qxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 Bh6 Rfd8 Qg5 Qxc3 Rfd1 Rac8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 Bh6 Rfd8 Qg5 Qxc3 Rfd1 Rac8 Rac1 Qa3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 c4 O-O cxd5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 Bh6 Rfd8 Qg5 Qxc3 Rfd1 Rac8 Rac1 Qa3 Be4 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 Bh6 Rfd8 Qg5 Qxc3 Rfd1 Rac8 Rac1 Qa3 Be4 Re8 Qf6 Bf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vadim Khachaturov (2365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 c3 g6
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 c3 g6 h3 Nge7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 c3 g6 h3 Nge7 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 c3 g6 h3 Nge7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 c3 g6 h3 Nge7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bd7 O-O Bg7
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Vadim Khachaturov (2365)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 c3 g6 h3 Nge7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bd7 O-O Bg7 Be3 O-O
============
Contributors : Vadim Khachaturov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 c4 O-O cxd5 Bb4 Nd2 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (2006)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Bd6 c4 O-O cxd5 Bb4 Nd2 Qxd5 O-O Bxd2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1534)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O f4 Nbc6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Simone Calvello (1534)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 Bd2 Ne7 Nb5 Bxd2 Qxd2 O-O f4 Nbc6 Nf3 a6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 dxe4 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qe2 Qg6 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Quim Casals (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 b6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #37857#
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Quim Casals (1800)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c5 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #70520#
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Quim Casals (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 O-O h3 c5
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5 e3 d5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5 e3 d5 Bd3 c5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2047)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nf3 O-O a3 Ba5 e3 d5 Bd3 c5 Nc3 Nbd7 Bg3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Quim Casals (1800)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 O-O h3 c5 Nf3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Simone Calvello (1534)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 c5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e5 Nfd7 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Simone Calvello (1534)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Be7 Be3 O-O Qd2 c5 O-O-O Qa5
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Nxd7 Qxd7 Be5 Qe7 O-O
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Simone Calvello (1534)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Simone Calvello
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nc7 Qg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nc7 Qg4 Nxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 d3 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6 Bd3 Ba6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Nxd7 Qxd7 Be5 Qe7 O-O Rg8 b3
Transpose to wikichess #65057#
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6 Bd3 Ba6 Nb2 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6 Bd3 Ba6 Nb2 Nc5 Bxa6 Qxa6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6 Bd3 Ba6 Nb2 Nc5 Bxa6 Qxa6 Qe2 Qa3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6 Bd3 Ba6 Nb2 Nc5 Bxa6 Qxa6 Qe2 Qa3 Qb5 Ke7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 c3 cxd4 b4 Nxb4 cxb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 b6 Bd3 Ba6 Nb2 Nc5 Bxa6 Qxa6 Qe2 Qa3 Qb5 Ke7 O-O Qe3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 d3 O-O Be3 Bxe3 fxe3
Transpose to wikichess #29674#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nc7 Qg4 Nxb3 axb3 f5 Qg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nc7 Qg4 Nxb3 axb3 f5 Qg3 Bh4 Qe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2268)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Nxe5
Transpose to wikichess #74825#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Nc6 h3 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nc7 Qg4 Nxb3 axb3 f5 Qg3 Bh4 Qe3 Bf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Quim Casals (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e5 Nfd7 d4 c5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Nxd5 Nxd5 exd5 Qxd5 d3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 Bf8 Bxf8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nc7 Qg4 Nxb3 axb3 f5 Qg3 Bh4 Qe3 Bf6 Nf3 Qd7 Qf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e5 Nfd7 d4 c5 Nxd5 cxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 dxc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4 Be7 hxg5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 e5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4 Be7 hxg5 Bxg5 a4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 e5 c5 axb5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 Nf6 exd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 dxc5 Bxc5 Nb3 Bb6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e5 Nfd7 d4 c5 Nxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 Nb6 c4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Nc6 h3 Be7 c3 d5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e5 Nfd7 d4 c5 Nxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 Nb6 c4 e6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6 Qf3 Qxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4 Be7 hxg5 Bxg5 a4 h4 Nxg5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4 a6 dxc5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4 Be7 hxg5 Bxg5 a4 h4 Nxg5 Qxg5 Bh2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6 Qf3 Qxc3 Rb1 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Nc6 h3 Be7 c3 d5 Re1 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 e5 c5 axb5 axb5 Rxa8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6 Qf3 Qxc3 Rb1 Qxd4 Be4 Qc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4 Nxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4 a6 dxc5 Nd7 hxg5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Tim Gibson (1933)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4 Nxb3 axb3 Qd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6 Qf3 Qxc3 Rb1 Qxd4 Be4 Qc4 Bxb7 Rad8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Quim Casals (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bb5 Nge7
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4 Nxb3 axb3 Qd5 Nf3 f5 Ng3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (1933)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6 Qf3 Qxc3 Rb1 Qxd4 Be4 Qc4 Bxb7 Rad8 Bg5 Rb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 d6 d4 c5 dxc5 Qa5
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 d6 d4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nc3 Qxc5
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 d6 d4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nc3 Qxc5 Be3 Qb4
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 d6 d4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nc3 Qxc5 Be3 Qb4 a3 Qxb2
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 d6 d4 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Nc3 Qxc5 Be3 Qb4 a3 Qxb2 Nb5 Kd7
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 e5 c5 axb5 axb5 Rxa8 Qxa8 dxc5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Tim Gibson (1933)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1933)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 O-O Qf3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Quim Casals (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nf5 d5
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Tim Gibson (1933)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nh4 Bc8
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4 Nxb3 axb3 Qd5 Nf3 f5 Ng3 Qd7 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4 Be7 hxg5 Bxg5 a4 h4 Nxg5 Qxg5 Bh2 h3 g4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4 a6 dxc5 Nd7 hxg5 Nxc5 Bf4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Tim Gibson (1933)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nh4 Bc8 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4 Nxb3 axb3 Qd5 Nf3 f5 Ng3 Qd7 Ne5 Qd5 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #93032#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (1933)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nh4 Bc8 O-O Nc6 b3 a5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 e5 Nfd7 d4 c5 Nxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 Nb6 c4 e6 Nf3 exd5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Quim Casals (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nf5 d5 Bd3 dxe4
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 c5 d5 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5 b4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
f4 e5 fxe5 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Nf3 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Nxg6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4 a6 dxc5 Nd7 hxg5 Nxc5 Bf4 h5 Qb1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be6 f3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5 b4 Nd7 a3 c5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Quim Casals (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be2 e5 Nf5 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bxf5
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5 b4 Nd7 a3 c5 Kf2 b6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5 b4 Nd7 a3 c5 Kf2 b6 Bd3 Bf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5 b4 Nd7 a3 c5 Kf2 b6 Bd3 Bf6 Nge2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2164)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nbd7 f3 e5 d5 h6 Be3 Nc5 Qd2 Kh7 g4 Ne8 h4 a6 h5 g5 b4 Nd7 a3 c5 Kf2 b6 Bd3 Bf6 Nge2 Qc7 Kg2 Ng7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 O-O-O Qc7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 O-O Nxd4 Bxd7 Qxd7
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Xavier Jiménez (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 O-O Nxd4 Bxd7 Qxd7 Qxd4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 dxc6 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be6 f3 Nf6 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 O-O-O Qc7 Kb1 Bg7
Transpose to wikichess #40333#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4 a6 dxc5 Nd7 hxg5 Nxc5 Bf4 h5 Qb1 Bc6 Rh3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3 h6 h3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 e5 Nd5 Nd2 Bb7 h4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a4 a6 dxc5 Nd7 hxg5 Nxc5 Bf4 h5 Qb1 Bc6 Rh3 Be7 g6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3 h6 h3 Qc7 Re1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 b4
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 b4 Bb6 fxe5
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 e5 Nd5 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 h5 h4 Be7 hxg5 Bxg5 a4 h4 Nxg5 Qxg5 Bh2 h3 g4 Nd7 Bf3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Ne2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 Nc6 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 b4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 Nc3 a6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 c5 c3 Nc6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Nc6 d4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 c5 c3 Nc6 Bd3 Bg4 Nf3
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 b4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bc4 Nf6 d3
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #38751#
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 b4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Rf1
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bh3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Ne2 Bc5 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3 h6 h3 Qc7 Re1 Bd7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 d6
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 b4 Bb6 fxe5 dxe5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Rf1 O-O c3
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3 h6 h3 Qc7 Re1 Bd7 Qd2 c5 Rac1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3 h6 h3 Qc7 Re1 Bd7 Qd2 c5 Rac1 Kh7 b4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 d6 Ng5 d5
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
e4 e5 Ne2 Bc5 d4 exd4 Nxd4
Transpose to wikichess #51083#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 Bb7 d4 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Quim Casals (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 e4
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 d4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Quim Casals (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 e4 g6 Be2
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bh3 b4 Ne2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bb4 O-O O-O d3 d6 Ne2 Ne7 c3 Ba5 Ng3 c6 Ba4 Ng6 d4 Re8 Bc2 Bb6 Be3 h6 h3 Qc7 Re1 Bd7 Qd2 c5 Rac1 Kh7 b4 c4 a4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Quim Casals (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 e4 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bh3 b4 Ne2 Nxe4 Nf4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Quim Casals (1800)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bd7 e4 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O Nc6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Quim Casals
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bh3 b4 Ne2 Nxe4 Nf4 Qxh4 Qe2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Nikolay Timkin (1726)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 d6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nd4
============
Contributors : Nikolay Timkin
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3 Nb4 Qb2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bh3 b4 Ne2 Nxe4 Nf4 Qxh4 Qe2 Nd6 a3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3 Nb4 Qb2 Nd3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 a3 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 a3 b6 Be3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Bxg4 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rg8 Bh3 b4 Ne2 Nxe4 Nf4 Qxh4 Qe2 Nd6 a3 b3 Rc1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3 Nb4 Qb2 Nd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Rxd3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3 Nb4 Qb2 Nd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Rxd3 Qa5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2266)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 a3 b6 Be3 Bb7 f3 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Bxa3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3 Nb4 Qb2 Nd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Rxd3 Qa5 Ne5 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Bxa3 Nxa3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Bxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 O-O Nxe5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4 Nd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vladimir Antonov (2329)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 Qc2 Nh5 Rd1 Nxg3 hxg3 Na6 b3 Nb4 Qb2 Nd3 Bxd3 cxd3 Rxd3 Qa5 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Bxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Bxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 Nc2 Qe7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Bxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 Nc2 Qe7 Rad1 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2088)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 f4 d6 Qf2 Nf6 Ba3 Qe6 Be2 dxe5 fxe5 Bxa3 Nxa3 Nd7 O-O Nxe5 Nc2 Qe7 Rad1 O-O Ne1 Bc8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 Bb3 Na5 O-O-O Nxb3 cxb3 a6 Bh6 b5 Bxg7 Kxg7 Kb1 h5 Rhe1 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 a5 Rc1 Re8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 g3 e5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 g3 e5 Nb5 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 g3 e5 Nb5 Nxe4 N1c3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 g3 e5 Nb5 Nxe4 N1c3 Nf6 Bg5 a6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 g3 e5 Nb5 Nxe4 N1c3 Nf6 Bg5 a6 Bxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 Rf8 d3 d6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 Rf8 d3 d6 Nf3 Qe8
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 Bc5 Bxf7 Ke7 Bb3 Rf8 d3 d6 Nf3 Qe8 Be3 Bb6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4 Qb6 Be3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 Kh1 Rab8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2 Bg4 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4 Qb6 Be3 Bc5 a4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 Kh1 Rab8 g4 hxg4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 g3 Qc7 Kg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 g3 Qc7 Kg2 Rae8 c4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 g3 Qc7 Kg2 Rae8 c4 bxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re2 Bg4 f3 Bf5 g3 Qc7 Kg2 Rae8 c4 bxc4 Bxc4 h5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4 Qb6 Be3 Bc5 a4 b4 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 Kh1 Rab8 g4 hxg4 fxg4 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4 Qb6 Be3 Bc5 a4 b4 a5 Qd6 Na4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2223)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 Kh1 Rab8 g4 hxg4 fxg4 a5 g5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Be3 Bg4 Qd3 Rae8 Nd2 Re6 Qf1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d4 Bd6 Re1 Qh4 g3 Qh3 Be3 Bg4 Qd3 Rae8 Nd2 Re6 Qf1 Qh5 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb6 Ne2 c5 d5 e6 Nbc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb6 Ne2 c5 d5 e6 Nbc3 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nb6 Ne2 c5 d5 e6 Nbc3 exd5 exd5 O-O O-O
Transpose to wikichess #71151#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Be3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Be3 Qc7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3 g4 hxg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Be3 Qc7 Bd3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 c3 Qxc5 Be3 Qc7 Bd3 d6 O-O Nf6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Re1 Qxd1 Raxd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Re1 Qxd1 Raxd1 Rad8 Nd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4 Qb6 Be3 Bc5 a4 b4 a5 Qd6 Na4 b3 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nxb3 axb3 Nb4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nxb3 axb3 Nb4 Ne4 f5 Ng3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Re1 Qxd1 Raxd1 Rad8 Nd5 Rd7 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nxb3 axb3 Nb4 Ne4 f5 Ng3 Qd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nxb3 axb3 Nb4 Ne4 f5 Ng3 Qd5 Nf3 Qd7 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Bd2 c5 Nc3 Nxb3 axb3 Nb4 Ne4 f5 Ng3 Qd5 Nf3 Qd7 Bxb4 cxb4 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nh6 dxe5 dxe5 O-O Nc6 h3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Re1 Qxd1 Raxd1 Rad8 Nd5 Rd7 b4 Ne7 Ne3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 a3 Ba5 e3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 Nd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 Nd4 Ng6 Ne4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
c4 b5 cxb5 a6 e4 d5 Qh5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 a3 Ba5 e3 O-O c4
Transpose to wikichess #89791#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
c4 b5 cxb5 a6 e4 d5 Qh5 Nf6 Qd1
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 Nd4 Ng6 Ne4 Be7 f4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 a3 axb5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1954)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bc4 e6 O-O Be7 Qf3 Qc7 Bb3 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 Nd4 Ng6 Ne4 Be7 f4 Nh4 Kf2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
c4 b5 cxb5 a6 e4 d5 Qh5 Nf6 Qd1 Nxe4 bxa6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 Nd4 Ng6 Ne4 Be7 f4 Nh4 Kf2 Nf5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
c4 b5 cxb5 a6 e4 d5 Qh5 Nf6 Qd1 Nxe4 bxa6 Bxa6 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
c4 b5 cxb5 a6 e4 d5 Qh5 Nf6 Qd1 Nxe4 bxa6 Bxa6 Bxa6 Nxa6 d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Xavier Jiménez (1766)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Bd3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #66466#
============
Contributors : Xavier Jiménez
Timothy Cookson (2223)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 b5 Bd3 a6 e4 c5 d5 c4 dxe6 fxe6 Bc2 Qc7 Nd4 Qb6 Be3 Bc5 a4 b4 a5 Qd6 Na4 b3 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bb1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
c4 b5 cxb5 a6 e4 d5 Qh5 Nf6 Qd1 Nxe4 bxa6 Bxa6 Bxa6 Nxa6 d3 Nf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 b6 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 c6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 b6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 b3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 c6 O-O d6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #45761#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 b6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 Bb7 cxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4 Qb6 Ba3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 b6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 Bb7 cxd5 exd5 Bg2 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4 Qb6 Ba3 Qxd4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 b6 Bg5 Be7 Nc3 Bb7 cxd5 exd5 Bg2 O-O O-O c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4 Qb6 Ba3 Qxd4 Qc2 c5 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4 Qb6 Ba3 Qxd4 Qc2 c5 Rfd1 Qe5 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
b4 f6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3 Nd7 f4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3 Nd7 f4 f6 Rb1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 Qf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qe8 d4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1759)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 b6 Nge2 Ba6 Ng3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5 Qf3 O-O cxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 dxc3 Bc4 cxb2 Bxb2 Bb4 Nd2 Nf6 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Qxb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Bc4 O-O O-O Kh8 Qd2 f5 Rad1 f4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qe8 d4 Qc6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Ng5 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3 Nd7 f4 f6 Rb1 Rhe8 Kf2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qe8 d4 Qc6 Bb2 f6 Kg1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Bc4 O-O O-O Kh8 Qd2 f5 Rad1 f4 c3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Ke8 Rd1 Ne7 Nd4 Ng6 Ne4 Be7 f4 Nh4 Kf2 Nf5 Nf3 Nh4 Nd4
Transpose to wikichess #98146#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 d5 e5 Bf5 d4 e6 Nf3 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7 Nc6 Qa6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 d5 e5 Bf5 d4 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Ng5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qf5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Bg5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O h3 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O h3 e6 Ne5 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3 Nd7 f4 f6 Rb1 Rhe8 Kf2 Ba2 Rb2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qe8 d4 Qc6 Bb2 f6 Kg1 Qe8 a4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3 Nd7 f4 f6 Rb1 Rhe8 Kf2 Ba2 Rb2 Bf7 g4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 dxc6 Nc3 Be6 Be3 Bb4 Qxf6 Nxf6 f3 Bxc3 bxc3 a5 Bd3 O-O-O a3 Nd7 f4 f6 Rb1 Rhe8 Kf2 Ba2 Rb2 Bf7 g4 g5 fxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Ng5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qf5 f6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 Nc6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7 Nc6 Qa6 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 g3 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Bc4 O-O O-O Kh8 Qd2 f5 Rad1 f4 c3 Bd7 Ba2 b5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7 Nc6 Qa6 Bb4 Bd2 Nc5 Qb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 Nc6 Nc3 Nge7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qe8 d4 Qc6 Bb2 f6 Kg1 Qe8 a4 Kh8 Nf1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 cxd4 Qa4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 Nc6 Nc3 Nge7 Bd3 Ng6 h4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1918)
d4 c5 d5 e6 c4 exd5 cxd5 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #240#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Ng5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qf5 f6 O-O-O fxe5 Qxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Bc4 O-O O-O Kh8 Qd2 f5 Rad1 f4 c3 Bd7 Ba2 b5 Qd3 a5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 b4 Ne7 Bc2 Ng4 h3 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 Qe8 d4 Qc6 Bb2 f6 Kg1 Qe8 a4 Kh8 Nf1 Qg6 Kh2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 cxd4 Qa4 Nc6 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 d6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Nd5 Qd8 Bc4 O-O O-O Kh8 Qd2 f5 Rad1 f4 c3 Bd7 Ba2 b5 Qd3 a5 Rd2 Qb8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Be2 cxd4 Qa4 Nc6 Nxd4 Bd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Ng5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qf5 f6 O-O-O fxe5 Qxg5 Qxg5 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 Ng5 Bxc6 bxc6 Qf5 f6 O-O-O fxe5 Qxg5 Qxg5 Bxg5 Bxd4 f4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8 Be3 Bf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 g3 e6 Bg2 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8 Be3 Bf8 Rae1 Qa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 g3 e6 Bg2 c5 d4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Qe2 d5 Nxf6 gxf6 d4 Bg7 dxe5 O-O e6 Ne5 O-O c6 Bd3 Bxe6 Nd4 Bg4 f3 Bd7 c3 Nxd3 Qxd3 Re8 Be3 Bf8 Rae1 Qa5 Qd2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 b4 a6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bc4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 g3 e6 Bg2 c5 d4 Ne4 Nbd2 Qa5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5 c6 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 b4 a6 g3 Qc8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5 c6 Be2 d6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 e3 e6 Nf3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5 c6 Be2 d6 Nc3 Be7 h3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 b4 a6 g3 Qc8 Bf4 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O h3 e6 Ne5 Qb6 Rd1 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5 c6 Be2 d6 Nc3 Be7 h3 h6 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 b4 a6 g3 Qc8 Bf4 O-O Rfe1 Rd8
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5 c6 Be2 d6 Nc3 Be7 h3 h6 O-O O-O d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4 e6 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 d6 Nc3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O h3 e6 Ne5 Qb6 Rd1 Qc7 c4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O h3 e6 Ne5 Qb6 Rd1 Qc7 c4 Nf6 Qf3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bb5 c6 Be2 d6 Nc3 Be7 h3 h6 O-O O-O d4 exd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2258)
e4 g6 d4 Bg7 Nc3 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bb3 Nb6 Qf3 Bg4 Qg3 Bf5 Nf3 a5 a4 Nbxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 O-O c6 Re1 O-O h3 e6 Ne5 Qb6 Rd1 Qc7 c4 Nf6 Qf3 c5 Bf4 g5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2111)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5b6 Nc3 Be7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 c5 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 b4 a6 g3 Qc8 Bf4 O-O Rfe1 Rd8 a4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nge7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Nf3 f6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4 e6 e3 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 Nf6 e4 d6 f4 e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nge7 c4 Nd4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4 e6 e3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Nf3 f6 Ng3 Be6
Transpose to wikichess #12324#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 e6 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4 e6 e3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1918)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 Qe7 Qb3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 g3 e6 Bg2 c5 d4 Ne4 Nbd2 Qa5 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd3 cxd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4 e6 e3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nh5 Be3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bf4 e6 e3 c5 c3 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nh5 Be3 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1454)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bg4 g3 e6 Bg2 c5 d4 Ne4 Nbd2 Qa5 O-O Nc6 c3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd3 cxd3 Nc6 Nge2 a6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1918)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 Qe7 Qb3 Na5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd3 cxd3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 O-O b5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd3 cxd3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 c3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1918)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 Qe7 Qb3 Na5 Qc2 Nxc4 a3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 dxe4 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd3 cxd3 Nc6 Nge2 a6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d4 g6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6 d4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6 d4 Bb7 e4 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 c3 Ba5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6 d4 Bb7 e4 e6 Nge2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6 d4 Bb7 e4 e6 Nge2 Nf6 e5 Ng8
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 g6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6 d4 Bb7 e4 e6 Nge2 Nf6 e5 Ng8 O-O Nge7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 b3 e6
Transpose to wikichess #22424#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 c3 Ba5 Nf3 d5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 a6 g3 b5 Bg2 Nc6 d4 Bb7 e4 e6 Nge2 Nf6 e5 Ng8 O-O Nge7 f4 Na5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O d5 d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 c3 Ba5 Nf3 d5 e3 O-O Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O d5 d3 Nf6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O d5 d3 Nf6 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 O-O d5 d3 Nf6 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Nc6 a4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Bb2 Nf6 c3 Ba5 Nf3 d5 e3 O-O Bb5 Ne7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Bf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Qd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Qd4 Nxf2 Qxf2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bc5 e3 g5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Nbd2 Ng5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Qd4 Nxf2 Qxf2 gxf4 Qxf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Nbd2 Ng5 e3 d6 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bc5 e3 g5 Qxg4 gxf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 b6 e3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 b6 e3 Bb7 f4
Transpose to wikichess #100184#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Qd4 Nxf2 Qxf2 gxf4 Qxf4 d6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Nbd2 Ng5 e3 d6 c5 dxc5 Bb5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bc5 e3 g5 Qxg4 gxf4 exf4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Qd4 Nxf2 Qxf2 gxf4 Qxf4 d6 Nc3 Be6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 Bc4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5 e3 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 e6 c4 c5 d5
Transpose to wikichess #22867#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5 e3 a5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dilshod Madolimov (1614)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e5 Nb5 d6 N1c3 a6 Na3 b5 Nd5 Nge7 Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5 e3 a5 Bg2 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Be7 Nf3 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 e6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c6
Transpose to wikichess #57925#
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3 O-O Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Be7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Ng5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dilshod Madolimov (1614)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 O-O Re1
Transpose to wikichess #60933#
============
Contributors : Dilshod Madolimov
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Be7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #58173#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5 e3 a5 Bg2 d6 Nh4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bc5 e3 g5 Qxg4 gxf4 exf4 Bb4 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 g3 Bc5 e3 a5 Bg2 d6 Nh4 Qc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 e6 Qe2 c5
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 e6 Qe2 c5 c3 Be7
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 b3 Nc6 Bb2 cxd4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 b3 Nc6 Bb2 cxd4 exd4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Be7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 exd6 cxd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 a3 Be7 Nf3 d6 Qc2 Ng5 Bxg5 Bxg5 exd6 cxd6 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2 Qe7 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2 Qe7 h3 Be6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2 Qe7 h3 Be6 Bc4 Nh5 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2 Qe7 h3 Be6 Bc4 Nh5 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 f4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Nc3 Nf6 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 b3 Nc6 Bb2 cxd4 exd4 Bd6 Nbd2 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 e6 Qe2 c5 c3 Be7 Nbd2 Ne4
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 b3 Nc6 Bb2 cxd4 exd4 Bd6 Nbd2 O-O O-O Bd7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 f5 f4 b6 e3 Bb7 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 e6 Qe2 c5 c3 Be7 Nbd2 Ne4 Nc4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2 Qe7 h3 Be6 Bc4 Nh5 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nb3 Ba7 Nh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 a5 h6 Qe2 Qe7 h3 Be6 Bc4 Nh5 Bxe6 Qxe6 Nb3 Ba7 Nh4 Nf4 Qf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Jim Gourdie (1800)
b3 d5 Bb2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 d6 cxb5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Nc6 c3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 e6 d4 d5 exd5 exd5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Nc6 c3 Bg4 h3 Be6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg7 Bc4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Qe2 O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 h3 Bg7 Be3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg7 Bc4 Nf6 Bb3 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Be3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 f4 Nf6 Ng3 h5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 g6 d4 Bg7 dxc5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxc5 Nc3 Nf6 Be2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bc5 e3 g5 Qxg4 gxf4 exf4 Bb4 Nc3 Nc6 Qg7 Rf8
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 b6 Nf3 Bb7 c4 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #38055#
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Bb4 a3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 f4 Nf6 Ng3 h5 Bb5 Bd7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 a6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 f4 Nf6 Ng3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Bb4 a3 Ba5 b4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 cxd6 h3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg7 Bc4 Nf6 Bb3 O-O O-O Bg4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Kb1 Nb6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bf5 Na5 f6 Nc6 Qd7 h4 Ng3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Be3 Ng4 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2250)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 Qb3 d5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 h3 Bh5
Transpose to wikichess #103441#
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 d6 exd6 Bxd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qxd6 cxd6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Bb4 a3 Ba5 b4 Bb6 Nf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 a6 Bc4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 f4 Nf6 Ng3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 d3 h4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3 O-O Bg2 g6 Qf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 a6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 b5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 f4 Nf6 Ng3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 d3 h4 N3e2 Qg4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 a4 a5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6 Bd5 Rae8
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3 O-O Bg2 g6 Qf3 Be5 Bh6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7 Qe3 Nf5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 a4 a5 g4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Jaimie Wilson (1791)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bg5 c5 Rc1 Qa5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg7 Bc4 Nf6 Bb3 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 a4 a5 g4 Bg6 Nf1 Be4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Bc5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7 Qe3 Nf5 Qd2 h5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3 O-O Bg2 g6 Qf3 Be5 Bh6 Re8 Qe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3 O-O Bg2 g6 Qf3 Be5 Bh6 Re8 Qe3 f6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 a4 a5 g4 Bg6 Nf1 Be4 e6 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qd3 Nc5 Qg3 Ne6 Nf3 Nc6 Bd2 d6 Nc3 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Bd6 Qh5 c6 O-O-O Qe7 g3 O-O Bg2 g6 Qf3 Be5 Bh6 Re8 Qe3 f6 Bf4 Nxf4 gxf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7 Qe3 Nf5 Qd2 h5 O-O h4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Jaimie Wilson (1791)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bg5 c5 Rc1 Qa5 Qd2 h6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 c6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg7 Bc4 Nf6 Bb3 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Tim Gibson (1935)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 d6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 Ba6 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Nxe5 Nf6 f3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6 Bd5 Rae8 c4 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 a4 a5 g4 Bg6 Nf1 Be4 e6 Bxf3 exd7 Be4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 d6 cxb5 a6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Vladimir Antonov (2367)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 Ne7 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Re1 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qb3 d5 e5 Nd7 a4 a5 g4 Bg6 Nf1 Be4 e6 Bxf3 exd7 Be4 Ng3 c6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7 Qe3 Nf5 Qd2 h5 O-O h4 Re1 Nd6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7 Qe3 Nf5 Qd2 h5 O-O h4 Re1 Nd6 h3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 d6 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1592)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 d6 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 Nxb5 g6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Gregory Kohut (1783)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Nf3 d6 cxb5 a6 Nc3 axb5 Nxb5 g6 Nc3 Ba6 g3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet, Gregory Kohut
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 Kf8 a4 Qc7 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nbc6 Qc5 f6 exf6 gxf6 Be2 Kg7 Qe3 Nf5 Qd2 h5 O-O h4 Re1 Nd6 h3 Ne4 Qe3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2 Rd8 Bd3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6 Bd5 Rae8 c4 Nxe5 Qc2 Qd7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Rfd1 cxd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5 e5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Tim Gibson (1935)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Be2 O-O O-O Nc6 d5 Nb8 h3 e5 Be3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6 Bd5 Rae8 c4 Nxe5 Qc2 Qd7 Rfd1 h6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e6 fxe6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Franck Simonnet (1592)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 h3 Bg7 Be3 O-O Qd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 e6 Nf3 b6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 e6 Nf3 b6 e3 Bb7
Transpose to wikichess #51507#
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bh2 f5
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Tim Gibson (1935)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 Nf6 e3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Joop Simmelink (2250)
c4 Nf6 g3 g6 Bg2 d6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bh2 f5 e3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Tim Gibson (1935)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 Nf6 e3 O-O Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bh2 f5 e3 Nf6 Bxd6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bh2 f5 e3 Nf6 Bxd6 Qxd6 c4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bh2 f5 e3 Nf6 Bxd6 Qxd6 c4 O-O Nc3 c6
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 e5 d3
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 e5 d3 Bxc5 Be3
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Jim Gourdie (1800)
d4 d5 h3 e6 Bf4 Bd6 Bh2 f5 e3 Nf6 Bxd6 Qxd6 c4 O-O Nc3 c6 c5 Qe7
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Rfd1 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6 Bd5 Rae8 c4 Nxe5 Qc2 Qd7 Rfd1 h6 Bg3 g5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 e5 d3 Bxc5 Be3 d4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Jim Gourdie (1800)
e4 Nc6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nc5 e5 d3 Bxc5 Be3 d4 Bd2 Nf6 Be2
============
Contributors : Jim Gourdie
Tim Gibson (1935)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 Nf6 e3 O-O Bd3 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Nc6 a3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Ne2 Nc6 Be3 O-O O-O Qc7 Rc1 b6 Bf4 e5 dxe5 Be6 Bd5 Rae8 c4 Nxe5 Qc2 Qd7 Rfd1 h6 Bg3 g5 h3 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6 g3 Be7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5 e5 Nd5 exd6 cxd6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Rfd1 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Qe2 Bd7 d5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 Nf6 Nc3 e6
Transpose to wikichess #79127#
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5 e5 Nd5 exd6 cxd6 Kf2 f4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7 Ra2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5 Be2 Rxc1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Nd7 Bd3 dxc4 Bxc4 g6 h4 Bg7 Rc1 O-O O-O Qe7 Qc2 Rd8 Bd3 c5 Rfd1 cxd4 exd4 Nf6 Qe2 Bd7 d5 Rac8 Bc4
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5 e5 Nd5 exd6 cxd6 Kf2 f4 e4 Ne3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5 Be2 Rxc1 Qxc1 Bb5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5 Be2 Rxc1 Qxc1 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5 e5 Nd5 exd6 cxd6 Kf2 f4 e4 Ne3 Nd4 c5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 Qf6 Qf3 bxc6 Nd2 d6 Bd3 Qxf3 gxf3 Ne7 Nb3 Bb6 a4 a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 f5 e5 Nd5 exd6 cxd6 Kf2 f4 e4 Ne3 Nd4 c5 Ne2 g5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5 Be2 Rxc1 Qxc1 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 b4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7 Ra2 Ne6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Nc6 a3 a5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e6 fxe6 Nf3 Nc6 h3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Gibson (1935)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 f5 Nf3 Be7 Bf4 Nf6 e3 O-O Bd3 Nc6 O-O Nb4 Be2
============
Contributors : Tim Gibson
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6 g3 Be7 d5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7 Ra2 Ne6 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7 Ra2 Ne6 Be2 Qf8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2250)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7 Ra2 Ne6 Be2 Qf8 Rd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5 Be2 Rxc1 Qxc1 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 b4 Nc6 Rd1 Qa8
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bb2 Nc6 Nf3 Be7 Nbd2 O-O Rc1 Rc8 a3 Na5 Be2 Rxc1 Qxc1 Bb5 Bxb5 axb5 b4 Nc6 Rd1 Qa8 Bxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 h3 O-O Bg5 Na6 Bd3 e5 d5 Qe8 Nge2 Nd7 a3 f5 b4 f4 f3 Bf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Nc1 c5 dxc6 bxc6 Nb3 Nc7 Ra2 Ne6 Be2 Qf8 Rd2 a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3 f6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e6 fxe6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nge5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e6 fxe6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nge5 Nxe5 Nxe5 e4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3 f6 Nc3 fxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3 f6 Nc3 fxe5 Nxe5 Ngxe5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Bc5 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 a6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 b5 Bb3 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 O-O d3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 Be2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 Nf6 Qe2 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 d6 Bb5 Nbd7 dxe6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Nc3 Nf6 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Bb4 a3 Ba5 b4 Bb6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Tim Beeck (1300)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Tim Beeck
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Bc5 e3 O-O Nd5 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 a6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 b5 Bb3 e6 a4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 b6 f4 Bb7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nd2 d5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nd2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qa4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 a6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 b5 Bb3 e6 a4 Bb7 f4 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6 g3 Be7 d5 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nd2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qa4 Nc6 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nd2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qa4 Nc6 Qxe4 Qxe5 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7 Nc6 Nd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nd2 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qa4 Nc6 Qxe4 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7 Nc6 Nd4 Bb4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 e6 fxe6 Nf3 Nc6 h3 Nge5 Nxe5 Nxe5 e4 b6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Bc5 e3 O-O Nd5 Bxd4 exd4 Qe8
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7 g3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Qd5 Bb7 Qxb7 Nc6 Nd4 Bb4 Nc3 O-O a3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Bb4 a3 Ba5 b4 Bb6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 Bc5 e3 O-O Nd5 Bxd4 exd4 Qe8 Ne3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Beeck (1300)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 c5 e3 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Beeck
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6 g3 Be7 d5 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bg2 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7 g3 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6 g3 Be7 d5 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bg2 O-O O-O f5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 c6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Bg7 e4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Bg7 e4 c5 d5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 c6 Bd2 Nbd7 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Bg7 e4 c5 d5 fxe4 fxe4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 b3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Bg7 e4 c5 d5 fxe4 fxe4 d6 h3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3 Bg7 e4 c5 d5 fxe4 fxe4 d6 h3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 b3 cxd4 exd4 d5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7 Bb2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7 Bb2 Bd6 Ne5 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 b6 Bd3 d5 Nbd2 c5 b3 Bb7 Bb2 Bd6 Ne5 O-O O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Bf4 Qb6 b3 d6 Nf3 Bf5 Nc3 e5 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 Rc1 h6 g3 Be7 d5 Ne4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bg2 O-O O-O f5 Ne1 Bxg2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Franck Simonnet (1609)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 e3 c5 Nbd2 Nc6 b3 cxd4 exd4 d5 Bb2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 Qe7 Qd5 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 c5 Bc4 Nc6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #89218#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 Qe7 Qd5 O-O h3 Nh6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Qc2 Re8 Re1 c5 d5 Bg4 b3 Ba5 Re3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 O-O d3 Nc6 Bd2 h6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Bd3 Nf6 Qe2 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 d6 Bb5 Nbd7 dxe6 fxe6 e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7 g3 Be7 Bg2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Qc2 Re8 Re1 c5 d5 Bg4 b3 Ba5 Re3 Bxf3 Nxf3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bb4 Nc3 Qe7 Qd5 O-O h3 Nh6 Bxh6 gxh6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Qc2 Re8 Re1 c5 d5 Bg4 b3 Ba5 Re3 Bxf3 Nxf3 Qe7 Bd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Qc2 Re8 Re1 c5 d5 Bg4 b3 Ba5 Re3 Bxf3 Nxf3 Qe7 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7 g3 Be7 Bg2 Nc5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7 g3 Be7 Bg2 Nc5 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Mykola Simashkevitch (2136)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Qc2 Re8 Re1 c5 d5 Bg4 b3 Ba5 Re3 Bxf3 Nxf3 Qe7 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxd2 Ng4 R3e1
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 a6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 c5 Ng3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Nf3 a6 d3 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1616)
Nc3 d5 e4 d4 Nce2 e5 Ng3 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 Bc4 O-O d3 Nc6 Bd2 h6 Qc1 a5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1761)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Bc5 e3 d6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Kazimierz Suwara (1896)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Nf3 b6 Nbd2 Bb7 g3 Be7 Bg2 Nc5 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6 Ne3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6 Ne3 b3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6 Ne3 b3 Bb1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6 Ne3 b3 Bb1 Bf8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2301)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6 Ne3 b3 Bb1 Bf8 Rd1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2246)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 d6 c3 Be7 O-O a6 Ba4 O-O h3 b5 Bc2 d5 Nbd2 Re8 Re1 dxe4 dxe4 Be6 a4 Qc8 Qe2 b4 a5 Nd7 Nc4 f6 Ne3 b3 Bb1 Bf8 Rd1 Nd8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Qe7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 c6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Qe7 Nc3 Ngxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nc3 Bg5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Nc6 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Qe7 Nc3 Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 c6 Bc4 e6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nc3 Bg5 Bd3 Bxc1
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nc3 Bg5 Bd3 Bxc1 Rxc1 a6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nc3 Bg5 Bd3 Bxc1 Rxc1 a6 Nge2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1564)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nc3 Bg5 Bd3 Bxc1 Rxc1 a6 Nge2 Bg4 Qd2 Bxe2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 b4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 b4 Nh2 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 b4 Nh2 a5 a4 Ne8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 b4 Nh2 a5 a4 Ne8 Nd2 g6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 b4 Nh2 a5 a4 Ne8 Nd2 g6 Bb2 Nd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 a6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Qd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Qd3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O c3 d6 h3 b5 Bb3
Transpose to wikichess #1043#
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Qd3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1944)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1944)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1944)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1944)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Qe2 c5 c3 Bxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Qd3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O a3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Maxim Maximov (1800)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Bb7 O-O
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Timothy Cookson (2068)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Na5 Bc2 c5 d4 Qc7 d5 Bd7 b3 Nb7 c4 b4 Nh2 a5 a4 Ne8 Nd2 g6 Bb2 Nd8 f4 exf4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #100739#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e3 b5 Bd2 a5 axb5 Bxc3 Bxc3 cxb5 b3 Bb7 bxc4 b4 Bb2 Nf6 Bd3 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bg5 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bg5 Qb6 Be2 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 a4 Bb4 e4 b5 Bg5 Qb6 Be2 h6 Be3 Qb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3 f5 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 b4 Nd7 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 Qg4 Kh8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 Qg4 Kh8 Bg5 Rf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 b4 Nd7 c5 Nf6 bxa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 Kb1 Nxd4 e5 Nf5 exf6 exf6 Nxd5 Nxe3 Qxe3 Be6 Bc4 f5 Qa3 Qh4 Bb3 Qf2 h4 h5 Qa5 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 Qg4 Kh8 Bg5 Rf5 Rad1 Bc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Nd7 Be3 e5 d5 Nd4 Bb1 Nxe2 Qxe2 O-O O-O a5 Bc2 Nc5 a3 f5 f3 f4 Bf2 g5 b4 Nd7 c5 Nf6 bxa5 Rxa5 cxd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 Qg4 Kh8 Bg5 Rf5 Rad1 Bc6 f4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 Qg4 Kh8 Bg5 Rf5 Rad1 Bc6 f4 Bxe4 Bxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Bc4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Qe2 Nc5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Ne6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 O-O Nc3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 Qg4 Kh8 Bg5 Rf5 Rad1 Bc6 f4 Bxe4 Bxe7 Qxe7 Rxe4 Raf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd1 Nxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd1 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 Rd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3 Nc5 Nh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3 Nc5 Nh4 a5 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3 Nc5 Nh4 a5 Be3 b6 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3 Nc5 Nh4 a5 Be3 b6 f4 exf4 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3 Nc5 Nh4 a5 Be3 b6 f4 exf4 Bxf4 a4 Rb1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 Na6 Bg2 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Nf6 O-O h6 Nf3 Nc5 Nh4 a5 Be3 b6 f4 exf4 Bxf4 a4 Rb1 Bd7 Kh2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5 g4 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5 g4 a5 Nfd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5 g4 a5 Nfd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5 g4 a5 Nfd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Ne4 Qe3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nxe5 dxe4 Nxc6 Qg5 Nxa7 Bd7
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 Nc3 fxe4 Nxe4 d5 Nxe5 dxe4 Nxc6 Qg5 Nxa7 Bd7 d3 Qxg2
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd1 Nxb3 axb3 Qe7 Rd2 a5 Ne3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5 g4 a5 Nfd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Ne4 Qe3 O-O Bd3 Ba6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 dxe5 d5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2313)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e5 Nfd7 h4 h6 Bxe7 Qxe7 Qd2 a6 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 O-O-O b5 dxc5 b4 Ne2 Nxc5 g4 a5 Nfd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Ne4 Qe3 O-O Bd3 Ba6 Bxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 dxe5 d5 e6 dxe6
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6 O-O O-O d3
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 g3 d5 e3 a6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 Bd6 O-O O-O d3 Re8 Nd2
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 c6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5 Rd8 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5 Rd8 h3 Rb8 Nf1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ibrahim Ugras Toktas (1612)
e4 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Nf6 Ne2 e5
============
Contributors : Ibrahim Ugras Toktas
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5 Rd8 h3 Rb8 Nf1 Nd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5 Rd8 h3 Rb8 Nf1 Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Bxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7 exf5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5 Rd8 h3 Rb8 Nf1 Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc4 Ra8 Nd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 dxe5 Nbd2 Bc5 Qe2 Qe7 a5 Rd8 h3 Rb8 Nf1 Nd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc4 Ra8 Nd2 Bb7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #112006#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Nd7 Rb3 Qxa2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Nd7 Rb3 Qxa2 Be2 Qa1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Rfc1 Nxd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Rfc1 Nxd3 cxd3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Nd7 Rb3 Qxa2 Be2 Qa1 Bd1 Nc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Rfc1 Nxd3 cxd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Rfc1 Nxd3 cxd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Nb3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Rfc1 Nxd3 cxd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Nb3 O-O Na4 Rxc1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 Rc8 O-O g6 Qf2 b4 axb4 Nxb4 Rfc1 Nxd3 cxd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Nb3 O-O Na4 Rxc1 Rxc1 Qa8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Nd7 Rb3 Qxa2 Be2 Qa1 Bd1 Nc5 Nxc5 Nxg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7 exf5 O-O O-O e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne8 c3 c5 cxd4 c4 Bc2 d5 Nc3 Nc7 Be3 Rb8 Qf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Nd7 Rb3 Qxa2 Be2 Qa1 Bd1 Nc5 Nxc5 Nxg3 hxg3 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7 exf5 O-O O-O e4 Rfe1 Ne5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne8 c3 c5 cxd4 c4 Bc2 d5 Nc3 Nc7 Be3 Rb8 Qf3 g6 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7 exf5 O-O O-O e4 Rfe1 Ne5 Bxd7 Nxd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne8 c3 c5 cxd4 c4 Bc2 d5 Nc3 Nc7 Be3 Rb8 Qf3 g6 a3 a5 Ne2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Qxa2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 e5 h6 Bh4 dxe5 fxe5 g5 Bg3 Nh5 Ne4 Qxa2 Rb3 Nd7
Transpose to wikichess #115931#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3 Bd7 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2 Bxd2 Qxb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3 Bd7 Qc7 Bxa3 Nxa3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O d4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 e5 Ne8 c3 c5 cxd4 c4 Bc2 d5 Nc3 Nc7 Be3 Rb8 Qf3 g6 a3 a5 Ne2 Ne6 Bh6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Maximov (1799)
d4 d5 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Ne7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Maxim Maximov (1799)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd3 d5 Bd2 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2 Bxd2 Qxb6 Bc3 Bf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Maxim Maximov (1799)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nb3 Bb4 Bd3 d5 Bd2 Bxc3 bxc3 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Maxim Maximov
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3 Bd7 Qc7 Bxa3 Nxa3 Na6 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Ne7 e4 b5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2 Bxd2 Qxb6 Bc3 Bf6 Qa4 Rae8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Ne7 e4 b5 a4 Ng6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2 Bxd2 Qxb6 Bc3 Bf6 Qa4 Rae8 Rae1 g6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2 Bxd2 Qxb6 Bc3 Bf6 Qa4 Rae8 Rae1 g6 Be2 Kg7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3 Bd7 Qc7 Bxa3 Nxa3 Na6 Bxa6 bxa6 Qb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3 Bd7 Qc7 Bxa3 Nxa3 Na6 Bxa6 bxa6 Qb7 Qd6 Rfc1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1834)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 c6 Nf3 dxc4 Bg5 f6 Bf4 Ne7 e4 b5 a4 Ng6 Bg3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2299)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Be7 Be3 c6 Nd2 f5 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Nxd2 Bxd2 Qxb6 Bc3 Bf6 Qa4 Rae8 Rae1 g6 Be2 Kg7 Bf3 Rxe1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2299)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Ne4 Bd3 Bd6 O-O Qe7 a4 O-O a5 c5 Qc2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Ba3 Bd7 Qc7 Bxa3 Nxa3 Na6 Bxa6 bxa6 Qb7 Qd6 Rfc1 Ne4 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8 Rb1 Rfd8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7 Rxf7 b4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7 Rxf7 b4 Bc8 bxa5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8 Rb1 Rfd8 Re1 h6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3 h4 h3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8 Rb1 Rfd8 Re1 h6 Bd2 Bd6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3 h4 h3 Rc8 Bg4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8 Rb1 Rfd8 Re1 h6 Bd2 Bd6 g3 Qb8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 e3 c4 Ne2 Nc6 g4 Na5 Bg2 Nb3
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3 h4 h3 Rc8 Bg4 Bxg4 hxg4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7 Rxf7 b4 Bc8 bxa5 Bg4 Ne2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 e3 c4 Ne2 Nc6 g4 Na5 Bg2 Nb3 Ra2 O-O
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8 Rb1 Rfd8 Re1 h6 Bd2 Bd6 g3 Qb8 a5 Qc7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7 Rxf7 b4 Bc8 bxa5 Bg4 Ne2 Bxf3 gxf3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3 h4 h3 Rc8 Bg4 Bxg4 hxg4 f6 exf6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 Rac8 Rb1 Rfd8 Re1 h6 Bd2 Bd6 g3 Qb8 a5 Qc7 Bb5 Bc6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7 h4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3 h4 h3 Rc8 Bg4 Bxg4 hxg4 f6 exf6 gxf6 f4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7 Rxf7 b4 Bc8 bxa5 Bg4 Ne2 Bxf3 gxf3 Qxa5 Qc2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7 h4 Nba4 Nxa4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O h6 a4 a5 b3 Ne7 Na3 Ng6 c3 Qb6 Ne1 h5 Nd3 Be7 Be3 h4 h3 Rc8 Bg4 Bxg4 hxg4 f6 exf6 gxf6 f4 h3 g3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Bb7 g4 Nb6 a3 Rc8 Kb1 Nfd7 Rg1 h6 f4 Be7 Bf2 Nc5 Qe1 Qc7 h4 Nba4 Nxa4 Nxa4 Bd3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Bb7 Nc3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Be7 c4 O-O Nc3 bxc4 Bxc4 d6 Rb1 Na5 Bd5 c6 Bxf7 Rxf7 b4 Bc8 bxa5 Bg4 Ne2 Bxf3 gxf3 Qxa5 Qc2 Qc7 d4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1503)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f3
Transpose to wikichess #25940#
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1503)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1503)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1503)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 O-O Bd6
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Bb7 Nc3 f5 Qc2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1503)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 O-O Bd6 h3 Bh5
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5 f5 Nxg5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1503)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 O-O Bd6 h3 Bh5 c4 O-O
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5 f5 Nxg5 Na5 Bf7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Bb7 Nc3 f5 Qc2 Qf6 g4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5 f5 Nxg5 Na5 Bf7 Kf8 Qd3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1503)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Nf6 Bd3 Bg4 Nbd2 e6 O-O Bd6 h3 Bh5 c4 O-O Qb3 Qc8
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Bb7 Nc3 f5 Qc2 Qf6 g4 fxg4 h3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5 f5 Nxg5 Na5 Bf7 Kf8 Qd3 h6 e6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Nd7 O-O Nh6 Qd2 Nf7 h3 c6
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 c3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5 f5 Nxg5 Na5 Bf7 Kf8 Qd3 h6 e6 hxg5 Qxf5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Bb7 Nc3 f5 Qc2 Qf6 g4 fxg4 h3 Qh4 O-O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Nb8 c4 a6 Qa4 Nd7 Be3 b6 Bg5 f6 Bd2 Bb7 Nc3 f5 Qc2 Qf6 g4 fxg4 h3 Qh4 O-O-O Bc8 Be2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Bc5 Qb3 Qe7 Bg5 f6 Bf4 g5 Bg3 Bb6 Nbd2 Nh6 Rae1 Ng4 e5 f5 Nxg5 Na5 Bf7 Kf8 Qd3 h6 e6 hxg5 Qxf5 Nh6 Qd5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 c3 Bf5 cxd4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 c3 Bf5 cxd4 Re8 Be6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 c3 Bf5 cxd4 Re8 Be6 Qxd4 Rf1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 c3 Bf5 cxd4 Re8 Be6 Qxd4 Rf1 Qb4 Qd2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2262)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Nc6 Qe2 Bg7 exd6 Kf8 dxc7 Qxc7 Nb5 Qb6 Nxg5 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 c3 Bf5 cxd4 Re8 Be6 Qxd4 Rf1 Qb4 Qd2 Qxd2 Bxd2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Ian Zimmerman (2000)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Ne5 c6 Bc4 e6 g4 Bg6 h4
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Contributors : Ian Zimmerman
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 c3 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8 Bd2 a5
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8 Bd2 a5 Qc1 Qc7
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Patrick Satonnet (1833)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 exf5 e4 Ne5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Bh5 Ke7 Nf7 Qe8
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Contributors : Patrick Satonnet
For me,better to avoid queen exchange in the line Nxh8 Qxh5 Qxh5 Nxh5 g4 Nf6 with unclar avantage for white.
The plan is development, with 4 options : d3, d4, Nc3 and oo.
The real decision is the choice bitween d3 and d4, and eventually the exact momment for the 2 other moves.
If other moves aren't winning in line, oo is better move, no waste of time and no irreversible decision..
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8 Bd2 a5 Qc1 Qc7 g3 Re7
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8 Bd2 a5 Qc1 Qc7 g3 Re7 Nc5 Bh3
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Ian Zimmerman (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 g6 Be2 Bg7 Be3
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Contributors : Ian Zimmerman
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8 cxb5 axb5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8 Bd2 a5 Qc1 Qc7 g3 Re7 Nc5 Bh3 Kh1 Rae8
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8 cxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 f3 d5 Nc3 c5 e3 Nc6 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Bd6 Nge2 O-O O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Na4 cxd4 exd4 Nh5 Rf2 Re8 Bd2 a5 Qc1 Qc7 g3 Re7 Nc5 Bh3 Kh1 Rae8 Qd1 Bc8
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Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8 cxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Qc4 Ba6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8 cxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Qc4 Ba6 a4 Kg8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Ian Zimmerman (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 g6 Be2 Bg7 Be3 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Ian Zimmerman
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8 cxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Qc4 Ba6 a4 Kg8 Kb1 Rc8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2224)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qd3 Qc7 Nc2 Bd6 Be2 O-O Be3 Be5 O-O-O Nc6 Bc5 b5 Bxf8 Kxf8 cxb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Qc4 Ba6 a4 Kg8 Kb1 Rc8 Bd3 d5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Nc3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Nc3 h4 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Nc3 h4 h3 d6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Nc3 h4 h3 d6 Bd2 Bg7 Bc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Nc3 h4 h3 d6 Bd2 Bg7 Bc4 Nc6 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Nc3 Qh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Nc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 Bc4 h4 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Nc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bd6 d4 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Nc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bd6 d4 Bg4 Nf3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Nc3 Qh4 Ke2 Bd6 d4 Bg4 Nf3 Ne7 Qe1 Qh6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Qe7 Ba2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Qe7 Ba2 Bc7 c4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 f5 e3 Nf6 Bb2 Bd6 Bc4 c6 Nf3 Qe7 Ba2 Bc7 c4 O-O Nc3
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7 Bd3 O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O Ne4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 b3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 b3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 a3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Qa5 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 Bg2 O-O a3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bb7 a3 Be7 Bd3 O-O O-O Ne4 Ne2 a5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 b3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Bb2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 b3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Bb2 Bg4 Be2 e6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 b3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Bb2 Bg4 Be2 e6 Nbd2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 Nc6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 a3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 e3 c5 b3 cxd4 exd4 Nc6 Bb2 Bg4 Be2 e6 Nbd2 Bd6 h3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 a3 O-O Nf3 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 a3 O-O Nf3 c5 dxc5 dxc5 Be3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxa3 Bb5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 e3 c5 Bb2 cxb4 Bxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxa3 Bb5 Ke7 Rxa3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Qd2 Nc6 Bb5 Bd7 Nf3 O-O O-O-O a6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 a3 O-O Nf3 c5 dxc5 dxc5 Be3 b6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 d3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 O-O Bc4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3 e6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 O-O Bc4 c5 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 O-O Bc4 c5 O-O a6 Be3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 O-O e3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1491)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 O-O Bc4 c5 O-O a6 Be3 b5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 O-O e3 d5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 O-O e3 d5 Bd3 Nbd7 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1491)
d4 f5 c3 Nf6 Qb3 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 O-O e3 d5 Bd3 Nbd7 Ngf3 c5 Bb1
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Raimo Koivuniemi (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 Qa4 Nf6 Nxe5 Bd6 Nxc6 bxc6 d3 O-O Be2 Re8 Nd2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxe5 O-O gxf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxe5 O-O gxf4 Ng6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1 a6 Qd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1 a6 Qd3 Bg6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxe5 O-O gxf4 Ng6 Qe2 gxf4 Qh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxe5 O-O gxf4 Ng6 Qe2 gxf4 Qh5 Qg5 Qxg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 O-O h3 g3 Nc6 Qe2 Nge7 exd6 cxd6 d5 Ne5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxe5 O-O gxf4 Ng6 Qe2 gxf4 Qh5 Qg5 Qxg5 Bxg5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1 a6 Qd3 Bg6 Qd2 b5 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1 a6 Qd3 Bg6 Qd2 b5 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1 a6 Qd3 Bg6 Qd2 b5 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2254)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h5 d4 g5 Bc4 h4 Nc3 d6 e5 Bh6 Qe2 Kf8 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 b3 Nc6 Ba3 Nge7 Rae1 a6 Qd3 Bg6 Qd2 b5 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 bxc4 Nc6 Nxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 d3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 d3 Ne7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 dxc4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
George Dimitrov (1800)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bg5 Bd7 Qd2 Rc8 f4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2 Nc6 Nc2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2 Nc6 Nc2 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2 Nc6 Nc2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2 Nc6 Nc2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf3 a5 Rae1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2 Nc6 Nc2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf3 a5 Rae1 Rxe1 Rxe1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 d4 Nf3 c5 e3 Nc6 exd4 cxd4 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nge7 Be2 Nf5 O-O O-O Na3 Re8 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qd2 Nc6 Nc2 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Bf3 a5 Rae1 Rxe1 Rxe1 Ra6 Qf4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Bd3 dxe4
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Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Bxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nxe4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Bxe7 Qxe7 Nxe4 Nc6 a3 Qh4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4 d3 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4 d3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8 Nf3 Nf6 Be2 c6 O-O Bg4 d3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 Ne4 Be7
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be2 Bg4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be2 Bg4 O-O g6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be2 Bg4 O-O g6 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bb4 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bb4 Nxe5 d6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bb4 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 O-O e3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bb4 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 O-O e3 Bg4 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bb4 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 O-O e3 Bg4 Be2 c5 a3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Bb4 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 O-O e3 Bg4 Be2 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 a5 a3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 a5 a3 Bxd2 Nbxd2
Transpose to wikichess #86747#
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 dxc4 e3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 dxc4 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 dxc4 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 c5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 e5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 h3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 h3 Nc6 Bb5 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 h3 Nc6 Bb5 O-O Nf3 a6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 h3 Nc6 Bb5 O-O Nf3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 h3 Nc6 Bb5 O-O Nf3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 h6 c3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 h6 c3 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 h6 c3 Be7 O-O O-O h3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
f4 d5 c4 e5 fxe5 dxc4 e3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 h6 c3 Be7 O-O O-O h3 a6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 d6 Bb2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 Bb2 e4 d3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 Bb2 e4 d3 e3 fxe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 Bb2 e4 d3 e3 fxe3 axb4 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 h6 c3 Be7 O-O O-O h3 a6 Ba4 d5 Bc2
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 Bb2 e4 d3 e3 fxe3 axb4 Nf3 d5 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Bb7 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 exd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 exd4 Qxd4 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 exd4 Qxd4 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 Nf6 O-O Bd6
Transpose to wikichess #41462#
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Be7 g3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
George Dimitrov (1890)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Be7 g3 d6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 Bb2 e4 d3 e3 fxe3 axb4 Nf3 d5 g3 Nc6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
George Dimitrov (1890)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (1890)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 Bb2 e4 d3 e3 fxe3 axb4 Nf3 d5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Nh6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 b5 d5 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
George Dimitrov (1890)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 d5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 b5 d5 a4 Nf6 e3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
George Dimitrov (1890)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 d5 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Be7 g3 d6 Bg2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Be7 g3 d6 Bg2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 e3 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1537)
e4 c6 d3 e5 Nd2 Nf6 Ngf3 Be7 g3 d6 Bg2 O-O O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 b5 d5 a4 Nf6 e3 Bd6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
George Dimitrov (1890)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 f3 Bg7 e4 dxe4 fxe4 e5 d5 O-O Nf3 Qe7 Bd3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 b5 d5 a4 Nf6 e3 Bd6 Bb2 O-O d3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O Bg5 b6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 Be7 Qe2 O-O Bg5 b6 Nxf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 b5 d5 a4 Nf6 e3 Bd6 Bb2 O-O d3 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 a5 b5 d5 a4 Nf6 e3 Bd6 Bb2 O-O d3 d4 exd4 exd4 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 h4 Be5 Qe7 h3 Rd8 Qe3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6 Nd2 Bf8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Nc6 e5 dxe5 fxe5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4 Ned2 Bb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 h4 Be5 Qe7 h3 Rd8 Qe3 Nd7 Bc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 h4 Be5 Qe7 h3 Rd8 Qe3 Nd7 Bc7 Rc8 Bh2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6 Nd2 Bf8 a4 Rac8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 Qd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6 Nd2 Bf8 a4 Rac8 Bf3 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4 Ned2 Bb4 Qe1 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mykola Simashkevitch (2105)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Nc6 e5 dxe5 fxe5 Nd5 Nxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Mykola Simashkevitch
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6 Nd2 Bf8 a4 Rac8 Bf3 exd4 exd4 Rxe1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6 Nd2 Bf8 a4 Rac8 Bf3 exd4 exd4 Rxe1 Qxe1 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3 Kf2 dxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 c6 Bb2 d6 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 a5 Be2 Bf5 O-O h6 d4 Qc7 Re1 Nbd7 b5 Rfe8 Rc1 Bg6 Nd2 Bf8 a4 Rac8 Bf3 exd4 exd4 Rxe1 Qxe1 Re8 Qd1 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b4 e5 a3 d6 Bb2 Nf6 c4 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4 Ned2 Bb4 Qe1 Re8 Ne5 Nf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 c5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 Qd6 O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 c5 e3 Bg4 exd4
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4 Bd7 Nxg6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 Qd6 O-O O-O-O d4 Qh6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4 Ned2 Bb4 Qe1 Re8 Ne5 Nf4 Qe3 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 Qd6 O-O O-O-O d4 Qh6 Qe2 exd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3 Kf2 dxc3 Bxc3 Nd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3 Kf2 dxc3 Bxc3 Nd5 e3 f5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 Qd6 O-O O-O-O d4 Qh6 Qe2 exd4 exd4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4 Ned2 Bb4 Qe1 Re8 Ne5 Nf4 Qe3 Bxd2 Qxd2 Qg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3 Kf2 dxc3 Bxc3 Nd5 e3 f5 gxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 a6 c4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Bc4 Qd6 O-O O-O-O d4 Qh6 Qe2 exd4 exd4 Bd6 Qe3 Bf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Ne2 O-O Ng3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d3 Nd5 O-O f5 Nd2 f4 exf4 exf4 Nge4 f3 Nxf3 Bg4 Ned2 Bb4 Qe1 Re8 Ne5 Nf4 Qe3 Bxd2 Qxd2 Qg5 Qe3 Be6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3 Kf2 dxc3 Bxc3 Nd5 e3 f5 gxf6 gxf6 Rhg1 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4 e6 Bg2 Bg6 Nf3 Nc6 Bb2 a6 d3 h5 g5 h4 Qd2 Nge7 Nc3 d4 Ne4 Nf5 c3 Ne3 Kf2 dxc3 Bxc3 Nd5 e3 f5 gxf6 gxf6 Rhg1 Be7 Bh1 Bf5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4 Bd7 Nxg6 fxg6 a3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3 d6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 b4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bxb8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3 d6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bxb8 Rxb8 d5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bxb8 Rxb8 d5 e6 e4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4 Nxf5 exf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3 d6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Bd3 e5 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 Bxb8 Rxb8 d5 e6 e4 b5 dxe6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4 Nxf5 exf5 Qd3 g6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitri Znamenski (1700)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Qxd2 c5 e3 Bg4 exd4 Bxf3 gxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitri Znamenski
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3 d6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Bd3 e5 O-O Rf8 Ng4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3 d6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Bd3 e5 O-O Rf8 Ng4 Bxg4 Qe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5 Nxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1453)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Bc4 e6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Franck Simonnet (1453)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Nf4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nh5 Nh3 f5 e4 fxe4 Bg5 Nf6 Nf2 exf3 Qxf3 h6 Bh4 Qe8 Qe3 d6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Bd3 e5 O-O Rf8 Ng4 Bxg4 Qe4 Bf5 Rxf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Qe2 Be7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Franck Simonnet (1453)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Qe2 Be7 Bd2
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Nf4 Qg8 Qxg8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bf5 Bc4 e6 Qe2 Be7 Bd2 c6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4 Nxf5 exf5 Qd3 g6 Qc2 Qe7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Nf4 Qg8 Qxg8 Bxg8 Kxg8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Nf4 Qg8 Qxg8 Bxg8 Kxg8 d3 Nxg2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Nf4 Qg8 Qxg8 Bxg8 Kxg8 d3 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Nassima Nasri (1600)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nge2 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Nassima Nasri
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxe5 Bxg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O Qd8 Rf2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 h4 Bc5 Qf3 f5 Bxf5 O-O Bxh7 Kh8 Nf7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Nf4 Qg8 Qxg8 Bxg8 Kxg8 d3 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Nc3 Bf8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Nassima Nasri (1600)
c4 b6 Nc3 Bb7 e4 e6 Nge2 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Nf6 O-O
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Contributors : Nassima Nasri
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4 Bd7 Nxg6 fxg6 a3 Rc8 Be3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4 Bd7 Nxg6 fxg6 a3 Rc8 Be3 Re8 Qg4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1453)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5
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Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4 Nxf5 exf5 Qd3 g6 Qc2 Qe7 a3 Rfc8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4 Bd7 Nxg6 fxg6 a3 Rc8 Be3 Re8 Qg4 Qa5 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O Qd8 Rf2 Bd7 Rg2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1453)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 exd4 e5
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxe5 Bxg2 Kxg2 a5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2242)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qf4 e6 Bd3 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Ne7 Nc3 Ng6 Qg3 Be7 Ne2 O-O Nf4 Bd7 Nxg6 fxg6 a3 Rc8 Be3 Re8 Qg4 Qa5 a4 a6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Franck Simonnet (1453)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 exd4 e5 h6 exf6
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxe5 Bxg2 Kxg2 a5 e4 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxe5 Bxg2 Kxg2 a5 e4 a4 Rac1 f6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O Qd8 Rf2 Bd7 Rg2 Qc8 Rf1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4 Nxf5 exf5 Qd3 g6 Qc2 Qe7 a3 Rfc8 Bf3 Qe6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Franck Simonnet (1453)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 exd4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Franck Simonnet (1453)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 exd4 e5 h6 exf6 hxg5 Bxc4 Qxf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Franck Simonnet
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O Qd8 Rf2 Bd7 Rg2 Qc8 Rf1 Qb7 Rgf2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 Bf4 Nf6 e3 Bf5 c4 e6 Nc3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Qb3 Qe7 Be2 dxc4 Qxc4 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O O-O a5 Nh4 Qb4 Nxf5 exf5 Qd3 g6 Qc2 Qe7 a3 Rfc8 Bf3 Qe6 Ne2 Ne4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bd3 h6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 e6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Bd3 h6 O-O Bd6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timofey Denisov (2204)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 Be2 Nbd7 g4 h6 f4 g5 f5 Ne5 h3 b5 a3 Be7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O Qd8 Rf2 Bd7 Rg2 Qc8 Rf1 Qb7 Rgf2 Nxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Joop Simmelink (2212)
f4 d5 b3 Nf6 Bb2 e6 Nf3 Be7 e3 O-O g3 c5 Bg2 b5 O-O Bb7 d3 Nc6 Qe2 d4 Ne5 Nd5 c4 dxc3 Nxc3 Nxe5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bxe5 Bxg2 Kxg2 a5 e4 a4 Rac1 f6 Bb2 Qb6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1616)
d4 Nf6 c4 c6 Nc3 g6
Transpose to wikichess #82203#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
d4 Nf6 c4 d6 Nf3 g6 g3
Transpose to wikichess #34609#
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Bd6 Nf3 Nd7 e3 Ngf6 c4 e4 Nd4 dxc4 Bxc4 a5 b5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nf6 Rb1
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3 Bxc4 Nxf5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3 Bxc4 Nxf5 Bxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 e6 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 e6 c4 Nc6 Qe4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 e6 c4 Nc6 Qe4 f5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 e5 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 a3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 e6 c4 Nc6 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 e5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Raimo Koivuniemi (1857)
e4 c5 a3 g6 b4 Bg7 Nc3 d6 g3 Nf6 Rb1 cxb4 axb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3 Bxc4 Nxf5 Bxd3 Qxd3 Kh8 Qg3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6 Be3 e6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe4 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3 Bxc4 Nxf5 Bxd3 Qxd3 Kh8 Qg3 Rg8 Ra2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 e5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6 Be3 e6 c4 b4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6 Be3 e6 c4 b4 Nd2 d6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O Nxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6 Be3 e6 c4 b4 Nd2 d6 a3 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O Nxd3 Qxd3 Nc6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6 Be3 e6 c4 b4 Nd2 d6 a3 c5 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O Nxd3 Qxd3 Nc6 Nf3 d5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 b5 e4 Bb7 f3 a6 Be3 e6 c4 b4 Nd2 d6 a3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3 Bxc4 Nxf5 Bxd3 Qxd3 Kh8 Qg3 Rg8 Ra2 Qe8 Qh4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 e5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 c4 Qd6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 e5 Nc3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 c4 Qd6 d5 Ne7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2333)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 O-O a3 Bxc3 bxc3 b6 e4 d6 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 Nd7 O-O Na5 f4 Ba6 f5 exf5 Ng3 Bxc4 Nxf5 Bxd3 Qxd3 Kh8 Qg3 Rg8 Ra2 Qe8 Qh4 Qe6 Raf2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Dimitrios Ropokis (1921)
b4 d5 a3 Nf6 Bb2 Bf5 e3 e6 c4 c5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1921)
b4 d5 a3 Nf6 Bb2 Bf5 e3 e6 c4 c5 cxd5 exd5 bxc5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1921)
b4 d5 a3 Nf6 Bb2 Bf5 e3 e6 c4 c5 cxd5 exd5 bxc5 Bxc5 Qf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1921)
b4 d5 a3 Nf6 Bb2 Bf5 e3 e6 c4 c5 cxd5 exd5 bxc5 Bxc5 Qf3 Be4 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nde2 Ng4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nde2 Ng4 Nd5 Nxe3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1918)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nde2 Ng4 Nd5 Nxe3 fxe3 Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4 e6 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4 e6 e3 Bb7 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4 e6 e3 Bb7 c4 Be7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4 e6 e3 Bb7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4 e6 e3 Bb7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 d6 Be2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1910)
b4 Nf6 a3 b6 d4 e6 e3 Bb7 c4 Be7 Nc3 O-O Nf3 d6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O f3 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O f3 d5 a3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc4 Nf6 Bd3 d5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc4 Nf6 Bd3 d5 exd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Bc4 e6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Bc4 e6 e5 Qa5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc4 Nf6 Bd3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc4 Nf6 Bd3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Qe7 Kf1 Be6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Bc4 e6 e5 Qa5 Qd2 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2 b5 axb6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Bc4 e6 e5 Qa5 Qd2 Qxe5 Ne2 Qe4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qc4 Nf6 Bd3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Qe7 Kf1 Be6 Ne5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1987)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Nf3 a6 Nxd4 Nf6 Bc4 e6 e5 Qa5 Qd2 Qxe5 Ne2 Qe4 b3 Qxg2
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Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O f3 d5 a3 Ba5 b4 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O f3 d5 a3 Ba5 b4 Bxb4 axb4 c6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Be2 a6 O-O Be7 Be3 O-O h3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2 b5 axb6 Nxb6 Nce4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O f3 d5 a3 Ba5 b4 Bxb4 axb4 c6 e3 Na6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2 b5 axb6 Nxb6 Nce4 Bb4 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2 b5 axb6 Nxb6 Nce4 Bb4 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2 b5 axb6 Nxb6 Nce4 Bb4 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 h6 c4 a6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 a5 Nd7 e3 Bd6 Be2 Qe7 O-O O-O Qc2 dxc4 Nd2 b5 axb6 Nxb6 Nce4 Bb4 Nxc4 Nxc4 Bxc4 a5 Rfd1 Bb7 h3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 c3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 c3 d5 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 c3 d5 d4 Bd6 Bd3
Transpose to wikichess #10654#
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 a4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Bd6 a4 O-O Ba3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4 Qb6 Ba3 Qxd4 Qc2 c5 Rad1 Qe5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 b4 Bxb4 Qb6 Ba3 Qxd4 Qc2 c5 Rad1 Qe5 Bxc4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 Nc6 Nf3 O-O Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 Qe7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 Qe7 Bd3 d5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 Nc6 Nf3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 Nc6 Nf3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 d5 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 Nc6 Nf3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 d5 a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 g5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 Qe7 Bd3 d5 Qe2 dxe4 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 Qe7 Bd3 d5 Qe2 dxe4 Qxe4 dxc3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 Qe7 Bd3 d5 Qe2 dxe4 Qxe4 dxc3 Nxc3 Bf5 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
e4 e5 d4 exd4 c3 Qe7 Bd3 d5 Qe2 dxe4 Qxe4 dxc3 Nxc3 Bf5 Qxe7 Nxe7 Ne4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 Nbd7 Rc1 O-O Qc2 b5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Nd7 Rh5 Be7 a4 g4 Nh2 c5 Nxg4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nc6 d5 Nb8
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3 Bxh4 Nxh4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nc6 d5 Nb8 Nf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3 Bxh4 Nxh4 Nxf2 Kxf2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Nd7 Rh5 Be7 a4 g4 Nh2 c5 Nxg4 Qb6 a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1410)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Bg5 Nc6 d5 Nb8 Nf3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 h4 Rg8 hxg5 hxg5 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Nd7 Rh5 Be7 a4 g4 Nh2 c5 Nxg4 Qb6 a5 Qa6 b3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nf3 e5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d5 Ne7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 Nc6 Nf3 e5 d5 Ne7 Nd2 c6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3 Bxh4 Nxh4 Nxf2 Kxf2 fxe4 Kg1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
Nf3 d5 c3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3 Bxh4 Nxh4 Nxf2 Kxf2 fxe4 Kg1 g5 Bh5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3 Bxh4 Nxh4 Nxf2 Kxf2 fxe4 Kg1 g5 Bh5 Qd8 Ng6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2204)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Be2 O-O Be3 e5 d5 Na6 Nf3 Ng4 Bg5 f6 Bh4 Qe8 a3 f5 b4 Bf6 h3 Bxh4 Nxh4 Nxf2 Kxf2 fxe4 Kg1 g5 Bh5 Qd8 Ng6 hxg6 Bxg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2 Rc8 Nce2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6 exd5 exd5 Qf3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6 exd5 exd5 Qf3 Bb4 Bd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 gxf6 exd5 exd5 Qf3 Bb4 Bd3 Nc6 Nge2 Be6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2 Rc8 Nce2 h6 f4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6 Qc1 e5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6 Qc1 e5 Bg5 Qb6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Nxc6 d3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 d4 Nc6 f3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6 Qc1 e5 Bg5 Qb6 exd5 Bc5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6 Qc1 e5 Bg5 Qb6 exd5 Bc5 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Nxc6 d3 O-O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2 Rc8 Nce2 h6 f4 Ng6 b3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2 Rc8 Nce2 h6 f4 Ng6 b3 b5 Rb1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6 Qc1 e5 Bg5 Qb6 exd5 Bc5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Nxc6 d3 O-O-O Be3 e5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Bg4 Qb3 Rb8
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qc6 Bb5 Bd7 Bxc6 Nxc6 d3 O-O-O Be3 e5 Qd2 Kb8 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2 Rc8 Nce2 h6 f4 Ng6 b3 b5 Rb1 Ba5 h3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e6 d3 d5 Bf4 Qf6 Qc1 e5 Bg5 Qb6 exd5 Bc5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Nf6 Nc3 Ng4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c4 dxc4 dxc5 Qc7
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Bg4 Qb3 Rb8 g3 Nge7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2372)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 c5 d5 O-O e4 d6 Bd3 exd5 cxd5 Nbd7 Nge2 Ne5 O-O Bd7 Kh1 Re8 Ng3 a6 Bc2 Rc8 Nce2 h6 f4 Ng6 b3 b5 Rb1 Ba5 h3 Bb6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Bg4 Qb3 Rb8 g3 Nge7 Bg2 Ng6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 d4 Nc6 f3 Bh5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e5 dxe5 d4 Nf3 Nc6 a3 Bg4 Qb3 Rb8 g3 Nge7 Bg2 Ng6 h3 Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Bg5 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 h4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Bg5 O-O a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 a3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 a3 e5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #30110#
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 a3 e5 Bc4 Nxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 d4 Nc6 f3 Bh5 e3 e5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Bg5 O-O a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 h6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 d4 Nc6 f3 Bh5 e3 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
George Dimitrov (1886)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6
Transpose to wikichess #61045#
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6 Be3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Be7 O-O Nbd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6 Be3 Bb4 Nge2 Ne7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 b5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 a3 e5 Bc4 Nxe4 Nxe4 d5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Cosimo Leonardo Meli (1889)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 h3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 a3 e5 Bc4 Nxe4 Nxe4 d5 Bxd5 Qxd5 d3
============
Contributors : Cosimo Leonardo Meli
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
g4 d5 Bg2 Bxg4 d4 Nc6 f3 Bh5 e3 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nc3 Qg5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Be6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Bg5 O-O a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 h6 Bh4 c6 Rc1
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h4 h6 g4 Bd7 Nc3 e6 Be3 Bb4 Nge2 Ne7 a3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 b5 dxc5 Nxc5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 c4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 Bg5 O-O a3 Bxc3 Qxc3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 cxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 f4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 e3 Qb6 Nc3 Qxb2 Nge2 cxd4 Rb1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nd6 d5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 e6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 e6 e4 d6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 e6 e4 d6 dxe6 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nc3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nc3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 e6 e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 f4 Bxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 e6 e4 d6 dxe6 Bxe6 Na3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qb3 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nc3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 e6 e4 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Nf6 d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Qb3 c5 dxc5 Qa5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nd6 d5 h6 e4 b5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Nf6 d3 d6 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 c4 c6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 O-O gxf3 Qxf3 Nf6 d3 d6 Bxf4 Bg4 Qg3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 g6 Bf4 dxc4 e4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nc3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 e6 e4 h6 Bh4 Nxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 g6 Bf4 dxc4 e4 b5 b3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 g6 Bf4 dxc4 e4 b5 b3 cxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 c5 Nc3 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd2 e6 e4 h6 Bh4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qxh4 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 c4 O-O c5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Re8 Be2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bd6 c4 O-O c5 Re8 Be2 Bf8 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 g6 Bf4 dxc4 e4 b5 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bg7 b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 g6 Bf4 dxc4 e4 b5 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bg7 b4 a5 Bxb8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Qc2 g6 Bf4 dxc4 e4 b5 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bg7 b4 a5 Bxb8 Rxb8 Rxa5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 f4 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 e3 h6 Bh4 Be7
Transpose to wikichess #110873#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Nc6 Bd2 Ngxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 f4 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 d5 fxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
d4 Nf6 c4 e5 dxe5 Ng4 Nf3 Bc5 e3 Nc6 Bd2 Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Joop Simmelink (2153)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 g5 Bc1 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nd6 d5 h6 e4 b5 h4 g4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitrios Ropokis (1584)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Nc6 Nc3 Bb4 f4 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Nf3 d5 fxe5 dxc4 exf6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 d5 O-O
Transpose to wikichess #1603#
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 Be2 Nc5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Ne2
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O h6 Re1 Ne6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bc4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bd3 Nc5 O-O h6 Re1 Ne6 Bd2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bc4 Bb4 c3 dxc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bc4 Bb4 c3 dxc3 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5 Be7 Bf4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Nxe4 Bc4 Bb4 c3 dxc3 O-O O-O Qb3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Ne2 Kc8 Nd4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Ne2 Kc8 Nd4 g6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Ne2 Kc8 Nd4 g6 Bf4 c5 e6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Ne2 Kc8 Nd4 g6 Bf4 c5 e6 cxd4 exd7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 Be7 Re1 h6 g4 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Ne2 Kc8 Nd4 g6 Bf4 c5 e6 cxd4 exd7 Kxd7 Be5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bd6 Bc4 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bd6 Bc4 Nxd5 Bxd5 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bd6 Bc4 Nxd5 Bxd5 h6 Nxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bd6 Bc4 Nxd5 Bxd5 h6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5 Be7 Bf4 d6 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5 Be7 Bf4 d6 Nxd4 O-O Nb5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nd5 Bc5 Bg5 Be7 Bf4 d6 Nxd4 O-O Nc3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2168)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qb3
Transpose to wikichess #11225#
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2225)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 h6 c3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2225)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Be7 e3 O-O Nf3 h6 Bh4 Ne4 Bxe7 Qxe7 Rc1 c6 h4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 e4 d6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
g3 Nf6 Bg2 g6 e4 d6 d4 Bg7
Transpose to wikichess #32914#
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3 a5 bxa5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3 a5 bxa5 c6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Nd7 c4 dxc4 e3 b5 Nf3 a5 bxa5 c6 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bf5 b3 Rfc8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5 Nc3 Re8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bf5 b3 Rfc8 Rac1 h6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
d4 f5 Bg5 Nf6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 d5 c4 Be7
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5 Nc3 Re8 Nf3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5 Nc3 Re8 Nf3 Bg4 Rxe8 Qxe8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O Nc3 d6 Be3
Transpose to wikichess #32134#
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
d4 f5 Bg5 Nf6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 d5 c4 Be7 Nc3 Bb4
Transpose to wikichess #92058#
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3 Nxd4 Bf2
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3 Nxd4 Bf2 Qb6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5 Nc3 Re8 Nf3 Bg4 Rxe8 Qxe8 Ne4 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5 Nc3 Re8 Nf3 Bg4 Rxe8 Qxe8 Ne4 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O Nf4 Re1 Nxd3 cxd3 O-O Nxe5 c5 Nc3 Re8 Nf3 Bg4 Rxe8 Qxe8 Ne4 Bxf3 Qxf3 Nc6 Kf1 Rd8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 f3 Nxd4 Bf2 Qb6 Bd3 Ne6 O-O
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (1965)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 dxc4 Nf3 c6 Ne5 Bb4 Bd2 Qxd4 Bxb4 Qxe5 Na3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2000)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7 c4 dxc4 e3 Nf6 Bxc4 e4 Nd4 a5 b5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bf5 b3 Rfc8 Rac1 h6 Bd2 g5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 d5 e3 e5 Bb2 Nd7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 d5 e3 e5 Bb2 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nd4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 d5 e3 e5 Bb2 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Ngf6 b5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 d5 e3 e5 Bb2 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Ngf6 b5 Bd6 Nf5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 d5 e3 e5 Bb2 Nd7 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Ngf6 b5 Bd6 Nf5 Bf8 Nd4
Transpose to wikichess #139570#
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O e3 d5 Nf3 Re8 Bb2 c5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O e3 d5 Nf3 Re8 Bb2 c5 cxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 O-O e3 d5 Nf3 Re8 Bb2 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 d5 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c4 d5 e3 O-O
Transpose to wikichess #65932#
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 g6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 e6 f4 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5
Transpose to wikichess #58022#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 O-O O-O Re1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O d6 d4 Bd7 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 cxd4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 d5 e5 Ne4 Be3 cxd4 cxd4 a5 Qc2 Qb6 Nc3 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bf5 b3 Rfc8 Rac1 h6 Bd2 g5 h4 g4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6 Bxf7 Kxf7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 Bg7 O-O d6 d4 h6 Bxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Bg4 e5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 Bg5 Bb7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 Bg5 Bb7 f3 h6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 g6 Nc3 Bg7 O-O O-O Re1 Ne4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 Bg5 Bb7 f3 h6 Bh4 Be7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 Bg5 Bb7 f3 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 d5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 exd5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 c3 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O d6 d4 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 bxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 exd5 exd5 d6 Ne2 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d6 e5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 Qc2 bxc4 e4 e6 Bxc4 exd5 exd5 d6 Ne2 Nbd7 O-O Nb6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 Bg5 Bb7 f3 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 d5 Nh3 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 Bg5 Bb7 f3 h6 Bh4 Be7 e3 d5 Nh3 O-O Qd2 c5
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 d5 c4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 e3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 e3 Nc6 Bg3 d5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O d6 d4 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 Qe2 Bxe4 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 e5 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 exd5 Bg5 Be7
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 e3 Nc6 Bg3 d5 Bd3 O-O
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 e3 Nc6 Bg3 d5 Bd3 O-O Nf3 Re8
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Ba5 e3 Nc6 Bg3 d5 Bd3 O-O Nf3 Re8 Bh4 Bg4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O e3 Nbd7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1853)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O d6 d4 Bd7 Bxc6 Bxc6 Qe2 Bxe4 Nxe5 Qe7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O e3 Nbd7 Qc2 c6 h3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 Re1 d6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Bd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O e3 Nbd7 Qc2 c6 h3 a6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 e5 Nxc4 e4 Nh4
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 g6 c4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 e5 Nxc4 e4 Nh4 Qe7 O-O
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 e3 O-O
Transpose to wikichess #119741#
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 g6 c4 Bg7 O-O
Transpose to wikichess #18720#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 c5 cxd5 cxd4 Qxd4 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 Nc6 Qd3 Be6
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Dimitrios Ropokis (1653)
Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 d5 c4 dxc4 Na3 e5 Nxc4 e4 Nh4 Qe7 O-O Nd7 d3
============
Contributors : Dimitrios Ropokis
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Kg8
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Kg8 Bb5 a5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3 Qxd3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Kg8 Bb5 a5 O-O b6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3 Qxd3 Nc5 Qd4 Bg4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3 Qxd3 Nc5 Qd4 Bg4 Ne5 Ne6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3 Qxd3 Nc5 Qd4 Bg4 Ne5 Ne6 Qc3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Kg8 Bb5 a5 O-O b6 Rfb1 Ba6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3 Qxd3 Nc5 Qd4 Bg4 Ne5 Ne6 Qc3 Qb6 Na3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2 Nbxd2 Qc7 O-O O-O Re1 a5 a4 Nbd7 d4 exd4 exd5 cxd5 Nb1 d3 Qxd3 Nc5 Qd4 Bg4 Ne5 Ne6 Qc3 Qb6 Na3 Bf5 Nb5 Be4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Antonov (2373)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 Bb4 e5 h6 Bc1 Ne4 Qg4 Kf8 Nge2 c5 a3 h5 Qf4 Ba5 b4 Nxc3 Nxc3 cxb4 axb4 Bxb4 Bd2 Bxc3 Bxc3 Kg8 Bb5 a5 O-O b6 Rfb1 Ba6 Ba4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 a5 e3 d5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 a5 e3 d5 h3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 a5 e3 d5 h3 Nbd7 Bh2 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1835)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 Nc3 c6 Rb1 a5 e3 d5 h3 Nbd7 Bh2 Bxc3 dxc3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 b5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Rg3 c6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 b5 Bd3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (1675)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 b5 Bd3 Nc6 a3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Rg3 c6 Qd2 Qc8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 a6 Be3 b5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Qb6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Rg3 c6 Qd2 Qc8 Nh2 cxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5 Bb2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Rg3 c6 Qd2 Qc8 Nh2 cxd5 cxd5 c4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 b5 d5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 b5 d5 c4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 b5 d5 c4 Nbd7 d3 dxc4
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Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 b5 d5 c4 Nbd7 d3 dxc4 dxc4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 b5 d5 c4 Nbd7 d3 dxc4 dxc4 Bd6 Nc3 Nc5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 e4 e3 Nf6 b5 d5 c4 Nbd7 d3 dxc4 dxc4 Bd6 Nc3 Nc5 Qd4 a6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Rg3 c6 Qd2 Qc8 Nh2 cxd5 cxd5 c4 h5 Qc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nbd7 c4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2248)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 a5 Be3 Na6 g4 Nd7 a3 Nb6 Rg1 Bd7 h4 Nc5 Bxc5 dxc5 Rg3 c6 Qd2 Qc8 Nh2 cxd5 cxd5 c4 h5 Qc5 Qe2 Nc8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nbd7 c4 Bd6 Nbd2 Rc8
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 Nf6 d4 c6 e3 d5 Bb2 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Nbd7 c4 Bd6 Nbd2 Rc8 Be2 Ne4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6 Qc2 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6 Qc2 Qxd4 Rfd1 Qb6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6 Qc2 Qxd4 Rfd1 Qb6 b3 cxb3
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6 Qc2 Qxd4 Rfd1 Qb6 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 e5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6 Qc2 Qxd4 Rfd1 Qb6 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 e5 a4 a6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Nd2 h5 h3 g4 h4 Qb6 Qc2 Qxd4 Rfd1 Qb6 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 e5 a4 a6 axb5 cxb5
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5 c3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 a3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5 c3 Bb7 Ne5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Bd6 Be2 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Bd6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 Nbd2 c4 Be2 b5 c3 Bb7 Ne5 Bd6 f4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 a3 Ba5 fxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 a3 Ba5 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Bd6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nf3 e6 a3 Bd6 Be2 Nbd7 O-O O-O Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 Nc6 O-O Bd6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 c5 c3 Nc6 O-O Bd6 Nbd2 O-O dxc5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Nc6 dxc5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 e6 Bd3 Nf6 O-O Nc6 dxc5 Bxc5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 a3 Ba5 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 c6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 e6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 e6 d5 d6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 a3 Ba5 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 c6 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 e6 d5 d6 dxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 e6 d5 d6 dxe6 fxe6 g3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 e6 d5 d6 dxe6 fxe6 g3 Nc6 Bh3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1838)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 d4 Qc7 Nc3 e6 d5 d6 dxe6 fxe6 g3 Nc6 Bh3 Bd7 Ng5 Nd4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1828)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 f4 d6 a3 Ba5 fxe5 dxe5 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 c6 Nf3 O-O Bd3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bg7 e5 Nh5 a4 a6 Ne4 O-O Nfxg5 Nxg3 hxg3 hxg5 Qb1
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bg7 e5 Nh5 a4 a6 Ne4 O-O Nfxg5 Nxg3 hxg3 hxg5 Qb1 f5 exf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bg7 e5 Nh5 a4 a6 Ne4 O-O Nfxg5 Nxg3 hxg3 hxg5 Qb1 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Vladimir Antonov (2366)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bg7 e5 Nh5 a4 a6 Ne4 O-O Nfxg5 Nxg3 hxg3 hxg5 Qb1 f5 exf6 Rxf6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qh7
Transpose to wikichess #82194#
============
Contributors : Vladimir Antonov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3 c5 Nge2 d5 cxd5 cxd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3 c5 Nge2 d5 cxd5 cxd4 exd4 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Bd3 c5 Nge2 d5 cxd5 cxd4 exd4 Nxd5 a3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 Bd3 Nbd7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 Bd3 Nbd7 Nc3 b5 a4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 Re8
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 Re8 Be2 d5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 Re8 Be2 d5 O-O c5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 Re8 Be2 d5 O-O c5 Bb2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 Re8 Be2 d5 O-O c5 Bb2 Nc6 d3 Ba5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Be2 c5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Be2 c5 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Be2 c5 O-O Nc6 Bb2 Re8
Transpose to wikichess #146112#
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Nxd6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Nxd6 Kd7 Nxf7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Nxd6 Kd7 Nxf7 Qxd2 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Nxd6 Kd7 Nxf7 Qxd2 Bxd2 Rg8 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Nxd6 Kd7 Nxf7 Qxd2 Bxd2 Rg8 Nxe5 Kc7 g4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2015)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Nc6 f3 Qb6 a3 e5 Nf5 Qc7 Qd2 Bxf5 exf5 Ne7 Bb5 axb5 Nxb5 Qa5 Nxd6 Kd7 Nxf7 Qxd2 Bxd2 Rg8 Nxe5 Kc7 g4 Nc6 Nd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Be2 c5 Bb2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Be2 c5 Bb2 Nc6 h3 Re8
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 Be2 c5 Bb2 Nc6 h3 Re8 O-O Ba5
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Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
c4 e6 Nc3 c5 e3 d5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Nge2 dxe4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Nge2 dxe4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be6
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 Nge2 dxe4 a3 Bxc3 Nxc3 Nc6 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Be6 Qxe4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
b4 e5 a3 d5 Bb2 Bd6 Nf3 Qe7 c4 dxc4 e3 Nd7 Bxc4 Ngf6 Nc3 O-O Nb5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 a3 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #130364#
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7 Qh5 g6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7 Qh5 g6 fxg6 Nxg6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 Nge7 Qh5 g6 fxg6 Nxg6 Nf3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6 e3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 dxc5 Na6 e3 Nxc5 Nge2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 g6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 g6 c3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 g6 c3 Bc5 d4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 e5 Bb2 f6 e4 Bxb4 Bc4 Nc6 f4 d6 f5 g6 c3 Bc5 d4 Bb6 Be6 Nge7
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 c6 Bb2 d5 e3 e5
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Marek Trokenheim (1791)
b4 c6 Bb2 d5 e3 e5 b5 d4
============
Contributors : Marek Trokenheim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd5 Nxb3 axb3
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd5 Nxb3 axb3 Nxd5 Rxd5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 O-O-O Rb8 Bb3 Na5 Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 e5 Nde2 b5 Rxd6 b4 Nd5 Nxb3 axb3 Nxd5 Rxd5 Qc7 Kb1
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6 Be2 e6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6 Be2 e6 O-O Bb7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6 Be2 e6 O-O Bb7 c4 Bd6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 Nf6 Nd2
Transpose to wikichess #13395#
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6 Be2 e6 O-O Bb7 c4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6 Be2 e6 O-O Bb7 c4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O Nb5 Be7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 e3 b6 Be2 e6 O-O Bb7 c4 Bd6 Nc3 O-O Nb5 Be7 b3 d5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 g3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 g3 O-O h4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4 Nxe6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4 Nxe6 Nxe6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2053)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4 Nxe6 Nxe6 Qe3
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Raimo Koivuniemi (2018)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qc7 Bc4 Rd8 Bb3 Be6 Nc5 Nf4 Nxe6 Nxe6 Qe3 Ng7
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b6 O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nc3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 d4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qd6 Bg5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 Nc3 Qc7 Be2 b6 O-O Bb7 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 d6 Be3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2 f5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2 f5 O-O Nf6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 g6 Nf3 d6 e3 Bg7 Be2 f5 O-O Nf6 c4 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Na3 Nc6 Be3
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
George Dimitrov (1888)
e4 c5 c3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O O-O h3 Nbd7 Re1 a6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4 Nb7 e6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4 Nb7 e6 fxe6 Ng5
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Bf5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
d4 d5 Nf3 c6 e3 Bf5 Nh4 Bc8
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 O-O Nxe4 Bxe4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Bd3 c5 O-O Nxe4 Bxe4 Nf6 Bg5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4 Nb7 e6 fxe6 Ng5 e5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8 Nxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
George Dimitrov (1888)
e4 c5 c3 d6 d4 Nf6 Bd3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 O-O O-O h3 Nbd7 Re1 a6 e5 Nd5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8 Nxc4 Bxc4 dxc4 O-O
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8 Nxc4 Bxc4 dxc4 O-O Be3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4 Nb7 e6 fxe6 Ng5 e5 Qe2 Qc8 Qxc4
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8 Nxc4 Bxc4 dxc4 O-O Be3 Qa5 Qe4 Rfe8
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4 Nb7 e6 fxe6 Ng5 e5 Qe2 Qc8 Qxc4 Nd8 a4
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8 Nxc4 Bxc4 dxc4 O-O Be3 Qa5 Qe4 Rfe8 h3 g6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Nc3 d6 Nf3 Nc6 O-O a6 d5 Na5 b3 Bd7 Bd2 b5 e4 bxc4 e5 Ne8 b4 Nb7 e6 fxe6 Ng5 e5 Qe2 Qc8 Qxc4 Nd8 a4 h6 Nge4
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Massimo Tranquillo (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3
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Contributors : Massimo Tranquillo
Massimo Tranquillo (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 d6 f4
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Contributors : Massimo Tranquillo
Massimo Tranquillo (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 d6 f4 dxe5 fxe5
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Contributors : Massimo Tranquillo
Massimo Tranquillo (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 d6 f4 dxe5 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3
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Contributors : Massimo Tranquillo
Massimo Tranquillo (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 d6 f4 dxe5 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Qe2
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Contributors : Massimo Tranquillo
Massimo Tranquillo (1800)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 c4 Nb6 Nc3 d6 f4 dxe5 fxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 Qe2 Nd4 Qe4
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Contributors : Massimo Tranquillo
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 g3 Be6 Qf3 Qxc3 Rb1 Qxd4 Be4 Qc4 Bxb7 Rad8 Bg5 Bg4
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 Nxd5 Bxc6 bxc6 Ne5 Bd6 O-O Ba6 d3 Nxc3 bxc3 c4 Qf3 Rc8 Nxc4 Bxc4 dxc4 O-O Be3 Qa5 Qe4 Rfe8 h3 g6 Rab1 Bc5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Mark Lim (2000)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 Be3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qf6 Be3 Ne5
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Bd3 O-O Nge2 Nc6 O-O e5 d5 Ne7 Qc2
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qf6 Be3 Ne5 Nc3 Bb4
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qf6 Be3 Ne5 Nc3 Bb4 Ndb5 Kd8
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qf6 Be3 Ne5 Nc3 Bb4 Ndb5 Kd8 f4 Nc6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Qf6 Be3 Ne5 Nc3 Bb4 Ndb5 Kd8 f4 Nc6 a3 Bxc3
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 e6 Nf3 d5 Bb5 Nge7 exd5 exd5 Qe2 g6 Qe5 Rg8 O-O Be6
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2069)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bc4 Nc6 O-O e6 d3 Nge7 Qe1 O-O f5 gxf5
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mark Lim (2017)
e4 e6 Nc3 d5 exd5 exd5 d4 c6 Nf3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timo Tilmu (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 Bf5 c4 dxc4
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Contributors : Timo Tilmu
Timo Tilmu (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 Bf5 c4 dxc4 e4 Bxe4
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Contributors : Timo Tilmu
Timo Tilmu (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 Bf5 c4 dxc4 e4 Bxe4 Nc3 Nf6
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Contributors : Timo Tilmu
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 c4 Bc6 Qg5 Bxh2
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Timo Tilmu (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 Bf5 c4 dxc4 e4 Bxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bxc4 e6
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Contributors : Timo Tilmu
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timo Tilmu (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 Bf5 c4 dxc4 e4 Bxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bxc4 e6 O-O Bd6
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Contributors : Timo Tilmu
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timo Tilmu (1800)
d4 d5 Nf3 Bg4 Ne5 Bf5 c4 dxc4 e4 Bxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bxc4 e6 O-O Bd6 Nxe4 Nxe4
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Contributors : Timo Tilmu
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 c4 Bc6 Qg5 Bxh2 Kh1 Bd6
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 e6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 e6 Bxc4 exd5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2 Nxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2 Nxd5 cxd5 Ne7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 e6 Bxc4 exd5 Bxd5 Nf6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2 Nxd5 cxd5 Ne7 Qc2 Bd7 e4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 c4 Bc6 Qg5 Bxh2 Kh1 Bd6 Bb2 Rae8
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Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Timofey Denisov (2002)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 g4 h6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2 Nxd5 cxd5 Ne7 Qc2 Bd7 e4 f5 f4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6 a4 h5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2 Nxd5 cxd5 Ne7 Qc2 Bd7 e4 f5 f4 g5 fxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 g4 h6 h3 g5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 e6 Bxc4 exd5 Bxd5 Nf6 Bxf7 Ke7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 g4 h6 h3 g5 Be3 a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nc6 d5 Nb8 e4 e6 Bxc4 exd5 Bxd5 Nf6 Bxf7 Ke7 Qb3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6 a4 h5 Raf2 Ra7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 g3 g6 Bg2 Bg7 b3 e6 Ba3 d6 e3 Nge7 Nge2 O-O O-O Rb8 Re1 e5 d3 a6 Nd5 b5 Bb2 Nxd5 cxd5 Ne7 Qc2 Bd7 e4 f5 f4 g5 fxe5 dxe5 Rf1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 g4 h6 h3 g5 Be3 a6 Qd2 Ne5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6 a4 h5 Raf2 Ra7 Re2 Rc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6 a4 h5 Raf2 Ra7 Re2 Rc7 h4 Rd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 c4 Bc6 Qg5 Bxh2 Kh1 Bd6 Bb2 Rae8 d5 Be5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6 a4 h5 Raf2 Ra7 Re2 Rc7 h4 Rd7 Bf5 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O cxd5 exd5 e3 Re8 Bd3 c5 Ne2 Nc6 O-O b6 Ng3 Na5 Ra2 a6 a4 h5 Raf2 Ra7 Re2 Rc7 h4 Rd7 Bf5 Qc7 Bxd7 Bxd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Sorin Ioachim Mitrea (2048)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 O-O Qh5 g6 Qxd5 Qc7 c4 Bc6 Qg5 Bxh2 Kh1 Bd6 Bb2 Rae8 d5 Be5 Bxe5 Rxe5
============
Contributors : Sorin Ioachim Mitrea
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 e4 Bb7 Qc2 Be7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2002)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 b6 e4 Bb7 Qc2 Be7 Nf3 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2069)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 g3 d5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5 c5 dxc5 Bxb5 Rd8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O Nd5 Re8 Qf5 d6 Nxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Bb2 a5 b5 Ne7 Be2 a4 O-O c6 d4 cxb5 c5 dxc5 Bxb5 Rd8 dxe5 f5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4 Bc7 Be3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4 Bc7 Be3 Qxd5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 c4 Nf5 Bd3 Be7 O-O a6 Nc3 O-O f4 Nd4 c5 e4 cxd6 Bxd6 Nxe4 Bc7 Be3 Qxd5 Nc3 Qd6 Bxh7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Qb3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1 Qa6 Qd3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Qb3 Nf6 Qxd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 g3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1 Qa6 Qd3 b5 Qxb3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2083)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 e6 g3 Qb6 Nb3 Ne5 e4 Bb4 Qe2 d6 Bd2 O-O O-O-O a5 f4 a4 fxe5 axb3 a3 dxe5 axb4 Ra1 Nb1 Qa6 Qd3 b5 Qxb3 Bb7 c5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Qb3 Nf6 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nc6 O-O Be7 Na3 O-O
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Qb3 Nf6 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 f6 d4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nc6 O-O Be7 Na3 O-O Nb5 Qd8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Qb3 Nf6 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bb5 f6 d4 e4 Nfd2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
c4 e5 Nc3 f5 g3 Nf6 Bg2
Transpose to wikichess #14227#
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 c5 a3 Nc6 b4 e6 Nf3 d5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 c5 a3 Nc6 b4 e6 Nf3 d5 exd5 exd5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
George Dimitrov (1916)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 c4 Bc2 Qc7 Qe2 g5 h3 Bg7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6 Bc4 d6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6 Bc4 d6 Nge2 Qe7
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6 Bc4 d6 Nge2 Qe7 Nd5 Qd8
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6 Bc4 d6 Nge2 Qe7 Nd5 Qd8 a4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6 Bc4 d6 Nge2 Qe7 Nd5 Qd8 a4 Bd7 O-O Nce7
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1282)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 f6 Bc4 d6 Nge2 Qe7 Nd5 Qd8 a4 Bd7 O-O Nce7 Ndc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6 b3 Re8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 Be2 Qc7 a4 b6 O-O Bb7 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6 b3 Re8 b4 a6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 Nbd7 Be2 Qc7 a4 b6 O-O Bb7 Rfd1 Be7 Qg3
Transpose to wikichess #75616#
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O
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Contributors : Wim Casier
Raimo Koivuniemi (2110)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 c6 Nc3 Bb4 Bxa6 bxa6 Nge2 a5 a3 Be7 Qd3 O-O Na4 Nd7 O-O c5 Rfe1 c4 Qd2 Nf6 Nec3 Bd7 Nc5 Bc6 b3 Re8 b4 a6 Be5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O b5 Kb1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O b5 Kb1 Nb6 Na5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O b5 Kb1 Nb6 Na5 O-O Nc6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Kb1 Ne5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O b5 Kb1 Nb6 Na5 O-O Nc6 Qc7 Bxb6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O b5 Kb1 Nb6 Na5 O-O Nc6 Qc7 Bxb6 Qxb6 g4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Kb1 Ne5 Rh3 Nc4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O-O b5 Kb1 Nb6 Na5 O-O Nc6 Qc7 Bxb6 Qxb6 g4 Rfe8 g5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Kb1 Ne5 Rh3 Nc4 Qe1 Rc8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Kb1 Ne5 Rh3 Nc4 Qe1 Rc8 Bc1 Re8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 g5 Nfd7 Be3 b5 a3 Bb7 h4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Rc8 Nxc6 Rxc6 Kb1 Ne5 Rh3 Nc4 Qe1 Rc8 Bc1 Re8 b3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8 Ng3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3 h5 h4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3 h5 h4 Kd8 f4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3 h5 h4 Kd8 f4 Kc7 Kb1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nf6 Re1 O-O h3 e5 d3 d6
Transpose to wikichess #123823#
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3 h5 h4 Kd8 f4 Kc7 Kb1 Be7 Rd2
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4 Bh6 a5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3 h5 h4 Kd8 f4 Kc7 Kb1 Be7 Rd2 Rab8 Rhd1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 Be7 Bg2 h6
Transpose to wikichess #15447#
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 Qf3 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 O-O-O Bd7 a3 b5 Be2 Nc6 Nb3 h5 h4 Kd8 f4 Kc7 Kb1 Be7 Rd2 Rab8 Rhd1 Bc8 Bf3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4 Bh6 a5 f5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8 f4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4 Bh6 a5 f5 Bd3 Nf6 c5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8 f4 Nc6 f5 Ng7
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4 Bh6 a5 f5 Bd3 Nf6 c5 fxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4 Bh6 a5 f5 Bd3 Nf6 c5 fxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3 O-O a5
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Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8 f4 Nc6 f5 Ng7 g4 Kh8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 a5 Ba3 Nd7 bxa5 Rxa5 Bb4 Ra8 a4 Bh6 a5 f5 Bd3 Nf6 c5 fxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bf5 Re1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3 O-O a5 Qc7 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3 O-O a5 Qc7 Rfe1 Qc6 Bf3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
George Dimitrov (1996)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bb7 d3 Bc5 a4 b4 a5 d6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3 O-O a5 Qc7 Rfe1 Qc6 Bf3 Rfd8 Nd2
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8 f4 Nc6 f5 Ng7 g4 Kh8 Bh3 Re8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3 O-O a5 Qc7 Rfe1 Qc6 Bf3 Rfd8 Nd2 Nc5 Qf1
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 Be2 Nbd7 a4 Rc8 O-O Be7 Qd3 O-O a5 Qc7 Rfe1 Qc6 Bf3 Rfd8 Nd2 Nc5 Qf1 Ncd7 Qd3
Transpose to wikichess #165844#
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Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8 f4 Nc6 f5 Ng7 g4 Kh8 Bh3 Re8 Rhf1 Nb4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8 Ng3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ng6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 dxe5 Nxe4 Qd5 Nc5 Bg5 Qd7 exd6 Bxd6 Nc3 Qe6 Be3 Qxd5 Nxd5 Ne6 O-O-O O-O Nh4 g6 Bh6 Rd8 f4 Nc6 f5 Ng7 g4 Kh8 Bh3 Re8 Rhf1 Nb4 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8 Ng3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ng6 Bd2 f6
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Contributors : Wim Casier
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8 Ng3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ng6 Bd2 f6 Re2 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8 Ng3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ng6 Bd2 f6 Re2 Rfe8 Rbe1 Rxe2
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Contributors : Wim Casier
Patucci Simoni (1401)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bf4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 d3 g6
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 d3 g6 O-O Bg7
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bb4 Qc2
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bb4 Qc2 O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bb4 Qc2 O-O O-O-O Bxc3 Qxc3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 d3 g6 O-O Bg7 Na3 Nge7
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Wim Casier (2262)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 exd5 exd5 Bd3 Nc6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nge7 Qf3 Be6 Rb1 b6 Ne2 Qd7 O-O Bf5 Re1 O-O h3 Rad8 Ng3 Bxd3 cxd3 Ng6 Bd2 f6 Re2 Rfe8 Rbe1 Rxe2 Qxe2 Rf8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd8
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bb4 Qc2 O-O O-O-O Bxc3 Qxc3 b5 cxb5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bf4 Bb4 Qc2 O-O O-O-O Bxc3 Qxc3 b5 cxb5 Bb7 f3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 d3 g6 O-O Bg7 Na3 Nge7 Nc2 a5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 d3 g6 O-O Bg7 Na3 Nge7 Nc2 a5 b3 O-O
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd8 b4 Bxb4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O h5 d3 c6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O h5 d3 c6 Ba4 Bc5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd8 b4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Nxb4
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd8 b4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Nxb4 Nxe5 Qf6
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 Nc6 c4 e5 g3 Qf6 Nc3 Bc5 Nd5 Qd8 b4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Nxb4 Nxe5 Qf6 Bb2 c5
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O h5 d3 c6 Ba4 Bc5 Nd2 Qc7 c3
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Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Patucci Simoni (1401)
Nf3 d5 c4 dxc4 Qa4 Bd7 Qxc4 e6
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3 axb3 f6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nd4 Nxd4 exd4 O-O h5 d3 c6 Bc4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3 axb3 f6 Ng4 Bc5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3 axb3 f6 Ng4 Bc5 Qd2 f5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3 axb3 f6 Ng4 Bc5 Qd2 f5 Ne5 Qd4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 c6 b5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3 axb3 f6 Ng4 Bc5 Qd2 f5 Ne5 Qd4 Nd1 Rad8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Bf4 Nxb3 axb3 f6 Ng4 Bc5 Qd2 f5 Ne5 Qd4 Nd1 Rad8 Kh1 Bb6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8 Rxe8 Qxe8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 c6 b5 fxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 Nxe4 O-O
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 Nxe4 O-O g6 Re1
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8 Rxe8 Qxe8 Nc5 g5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 c6 b5 fxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Xavier Jimenez (1704)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Qe2 O-O
============
Contributors : Xavier Jimenez
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 Nxe4 O-O g6 Re1 Nf6 Ng5
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1345)
f3 Nf6 g3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8 Rxe8 Qxe8 Nc5 g5 Bd2 Bg6
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Xavier Jimenez (1704)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nc6 Ne2
============
Contributors : Xavier Jimenez
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 c6 b5 fxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 d5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8 Rxe8 Qxe8 Nc5 g5 Bd2 Bg6 Qa4 Nf5
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Xavier Jimenez (1704)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nc6 Ne2 e4 Nf4
============
Contributors : Xavier Jimenez
Patucci Simoni (1401)
e4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bc4 Nxe4 O-O g6 Re1 Nf6 Ng5 d5 Bb3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1345)
f3 Nf6 g3 g6 h3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8 Rxe8 Qxe8 Nc5 g5 Bd2 Bg6 Qa4 Nf5 Re1 Qc8
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Tim Harding (2348)
Nf3 c5 c4 Nf6 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 g3 d6
Transpose to wikichess #154169#
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7 Nd6 Qb6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7 Nd6 Qb6 a4 Raf8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7 Nd6 Qb6 a4 Raf8 Bf3 a6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7 Nd6 Qb6 a4 Raf8 Bf3 a6 Bxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7 Nd6 Qb6 a4 Raf8 Bf3 a6 Bxd5 cxd5 axb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Nf6 Be3 O-O Kf2 Nfd7 Rb1 Rd8 Qb3 Qc7 Rd1 Rf8 Qc4 Ne5 Qd4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Wim Casier (2242)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bg7 Re1 Nh6 c3 O-O d4 cxd4 cxd4 d5 e5 f6 exf6 exf6 Nbd2 Bf5 Nb3 Re8 Rxe8 Qxe8 Nc5 g5 Bd2 Bg6 Qa4 Nf5 Re1 Qc8 h3 Bf7
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Wim Casier (2242)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 h6 Ne6 Bxe6 dxe6 c6 b5 fxe4 Bxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Ba3
============
Contributors : Wim Casier
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Nf6 Be3 O-O Kf2 Nfd7 Rb1 Rd8 Qb3 Qc7 Rd1 Rf8 Qc4 Ne5 Qd4 Nbc6 Qa4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Nf6 Be3 O-O Kf2 Nfd7 Rb1 Rd8 Qb3 Qc7 Rd1 Rf8 Qc4 Ne5 Qd4 Nbc6 Qa4 Bd7 Nh3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2348)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Nf6 Be3 O-O Kf2 Nfd7 Rb1 Rd8 Qb3 Qc7 Rd1 Rf8 Qc4 Ne5 Qd4 Nbc6 Qa4 Bd7 Nh3 b6 Be2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Xavier Jimenez (1704)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e3 Bxc3 bxc3 Nc6 Ne2 e4 Nf4 Ne5 d3
============
Contributors : Xavier Jimenez
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4 Nc7 Ra7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4 Nc7 Ra7 Bc3 b5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2162)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 O-O Bg5 c5 Nc3 Qa5 d5 Qb4 d6 e6 Rc1 Qxb2 e4 Ng4 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Nge5 a4 Qb6 Rb1 Qa5 Nb5 a6 Bd2 Nb4 Nc7 Ra7 Bc3 b5 cxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
a3 c5 d3 d5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
a3 c5 d3 d5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bc1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3 Bxe3 g6 Qd2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Nbd7 f3 c5 e4 dxe4 d5 e3 Bxe3 g6 Qd2 Bg7 g4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
a3 c5 d3 d5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bc1 e5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
a3 c5 d3 d5 d4 cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 Qd1 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bc1 e5 Nd2 Bf5 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 c3 Bd6 Nbd2 O-O O-O Nbd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d3 c6 Nf3 d5 Bb3 Bb4 c3 Bd6 Nbd2 O-O O-O Nbd7 Re1 Qc7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 b3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
f4 Nf6 Nf3 d6 e3 e5 fxe5 Ng4 Be2 Nc6 O-O Ngxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 b3 Be7 Bb2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 c3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 Qe2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 Qe2 d5 Bb3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
g3 d5 Bg2 c6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #117201#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 c3 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 Qe2 d5 Bb3 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 c3 cxd4 cxd4 dxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3 Bb7 c4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 Bd3 c5 Ngf3 Nc6 c3 cxd4 cxd4 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 Qe2 d5 Bb3 Be7 O-O O-O d3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 c3 Nxe4 Qe2 d5 Bb3 Be7 O-O O-O d3 Nc5 Bc2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3 Bf5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3 Bb7 c4 a6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 Be2 Be7
Transpose to wikichess #81679#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3 Bf5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 Be7 Bg2 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Be2 d5 O-O Bd6 c3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Qe2 Qe7 g3 Bf5 Bg2 Nc6 O-O O-O-O Re1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 Be7 Bg2 O-O d3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Be2 d5 O-O Bd6 c3 O-O b4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 Be7 Bg2 O-O d3 Nbd7 O-O c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 Be2 d5 O-O Bd6 c3 O-O b4 Re8 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 c3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Nf4 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 c3 a6 a4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3 Bb7 c4 a6 cxd5 Qxd5 a4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 c3 a6 a4 Nf5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 c3 a6 a4 Nf5 Bd2 Rae8 Qc2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4 Be3 e6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Patucci Simoni (1284)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Patucci Simoni (1284)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nd2 g6 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Patucci Simoni
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4 Be3 e6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4 Be3 e6 Nc3 Be7 g3 Ng6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4 Be3 e6 Nc3 Be7 g3 Ng6 Bg2 c6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3 Bb7 c4 a6 cxd5 Qxd5 a4 Nd7 axb5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 d4 Be7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 c3 a6 a4 Nf5 Bd2 Rae8 Qc2 h6 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2110)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 g6 h3 Bg7 O-O e5 d3 Nce7 Bc4 Nf6 Nxe5 O-O Re1 d5 exd5 Nfxd5 Nd2 Qc7 Nef3 b6 Ne4 Bb7 c3 a6 a4 Nf5 Bd2 Rae8 Qc2 h6 Bxd5 Bxd5 c4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4 Be3 e6 Nc3 Be7 g3 Ng6 Bg2 c6 Nge2 Na6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3 Bb7 c4 a6 cxd5 Qxd5 a4 Nd7 axb5 axb5 Rxa8
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
d3 d5 e4 dxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 d4 Be7 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 a3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1709)
e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4 d5 fxe5 Nxe4 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 d4 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 d3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 Nh6 d4 Nf5 e4 Nh4 Be3 e6 Nc3 Be7 g3 Ng6 Bg2 c6 Nge2 Na6 Qd2 d6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 d5 c3 b5 d3 Bb7 c4 a6 cxd5 Qxd5 a4 Nd7 axb5 axb5 Rxa8 Bxa8 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 d3 Be7 f4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
d3 d5 e4 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 d3 Be7 f4 d6 a3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 c5 exd5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 c5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 c5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 d3 Be7 f4 d6 a3 Rb8 Bg2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 c3 c5 Bd3 Nc6 Ne2 cxd4 cxd4 f6 Nf4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 c5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 cxd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6 Nxb6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bd3 c5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 cxd4 O-O Nc6 Qe2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Bg5 Nbd7 a3 Bxd3 Qxd3 c6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
e4 c5 Nc3 e6 Nge2 Nc6 g3 Nf6 d3 Be7 f4 d6 a3 Rb8 Bg2 Qc7 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Bc5 b4 Bd4 Rb1 d6 e3 Bb6 Nxb6 axb6 Qc2 Nf6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
d3 d5 e4 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 e5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1761)
d3 d5 e4 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Nf4 Re8 Be2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6 Nh3 Re8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6 Nh3 Re8 Rxe8 Ncxe8
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6 Nh3 Re8 Rxe8 Ncxe8 Nd2 Bc7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6 Nh3 Re8 Rxe8 Ncxe8 Nd2 Bc7 Nf1 h6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6 Nh3 Re8 Rxe8 Ncxe8 Nd2 Bc7 Nf1 h6 Qc2 Nd6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Nxe4 g3 Nf6 Nf4 d5 Bg2 Bd6 Qe2 Be7 d4 O-O O-O c6 Qd3 Na6 c3 Nc7 Re1 Bd6 Nh3 Re8 Rxe8 Ncxe8 Nd2 Bc7 Nf1 h6 Qc2 Nd6 Ne3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nd3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Nf4 Re8 Be2 Nc6 d4 a6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2 d5 d4
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2 d5 d4 dxc4 Bg5
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2 d5 d4 dxc4 Bg5 Be7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2 d5 d4 dxc4 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bxf6
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2 d5 d4 dxc4 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bxf6 Bxf6 e3
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Dimitris Ximeris (1500)
c4 Nf6 Na3 e6 Nc2 d5 d4 dxc4 Bg5 Be7 Nf3 O-O Bxf6 Bxf6 e3 c5 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Dimitris Ximeris
Mark Lim (2056)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Nbd7 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2056)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Nbd7 Nxf6 Nxf6 Nf3
Transpose to wikichess #94864#
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1866)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 Qxd5 Ngf3 cxd4 Bc4 Qd6 O-O Nf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Jaimie Wilson (1866)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 exd5 Qxd5 Ngf3 cxd4 Bc4 Qd6 O-O Nf6 Re1 Nc6 Nb3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 d3 Bb4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 d3 Bb4 dxe4 Nf6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 d3 Bb4 dxe4 Nf6 Bd3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qe6 d3 Bb4 dxe4 Nf6 Bd3 Bxc3 bxc3 d5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
a3 e5 d3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 c5 Qd3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
a3 e5 d3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 c5 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
a3 e5 d3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 c5 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5 Be6 g3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
a3 e5 d3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 c5 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5 Be6 g3 c4 Qf3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
a3 e5 d3 d5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 c5 Qd3 Nf6 Bg5 Be6 g3 c4 Qf3 Nbd7 Bg2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2 Bg6 Nf1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2 Bg6 Nf1 Rac8 Nh4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 g3 Bg7
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 Nd4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 Nd4 Qh4 g3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 Nd4 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Nf5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Bc4 g4 Nd4 Qh4 g3 fxg3 Nf5 g2 Ng3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 dxe4 a5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Be2 g5 O-O Rg8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5 d5 Qf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5 d5 Qf3 Qe8 Bh6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5 d5 Qf3 Qe8 Bh6 Qg6 Rae1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5 d5 Qf3 Qe8 Bh6 Qg6 Rae1 Bg4 Qf4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 g4 Ng1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 g4 Ng1 Qh4 Kf1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5 d5 Qf3 Qe8 Bh6 Qg6 Rae1 Bg4 Qf4 Ba3 Re8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 g4 Ng1 Qh4 Kf1 Bc5 Qe2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Be2 g5 O-O Rg8 d4 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 c6 d4 Bb4 Nge2 Nxe4 O-O Nxc3 Bxf7 Kxf7 bxc3 Be7 Nxf4 Kg8 Nh5 d5 Qf3 Qe8 Bh6 Qg6 Rae1 Bg4 Qf4 Ba3 Re8 Qxe8 Qxg4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 d5 exd5 exf4 Qf3 Nf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 dxe4 a5 f4 f6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2 Bg6 Nf1 Rac8 Nh4 Bxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 g4 Ng1 Qh4 Kf1 Bc5 Qe2 Nd4 Qd3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4 Bd3 cxd4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Be2 g5 O-O Rg8 d4 d5 Qd3 Rg6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 Be2 g5 O-O Rg8 d4 d5 Qd3 Rg6 Nh4 Rh6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 Nge2 Nc6 O-O Bc5 h3 a6 d3 b5 b3 b4 Nd5 h6 a3 bxa3 Bxa3 Nxd5 exd5 Nb4 Kh2 Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 dxe4 a5 f4 f6 f5 c6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2 Bg6 Nf1 Rac8 Nh4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qf4 g3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6 Ne3 Nxe3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6 Ne3 Nxe3 Bxe3 c5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6 Ne3 Nxe3 Bxe3 c5 c3 b5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6 Ne3 Nxe3 Bxe3 c5 c3 b5 dxc5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6 Ne3 Nxe3 Bxe3 c5 c3 b5 dxc5 dxc5 Qxb5 Rb8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nf6 Qd3 Ng4 Bg1 O-O O-O-O Nd7 Nd5 Re8 Re1 c6 Ne3 Nxe3 Bxe3 c5 c3 b5 dxc5 dxc5 Qxb5 Rb8 Qd3 Qa5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Qe2 Nxd3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2 Bg6 Nf1 Rac8 Nh4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qf4 g3 Qc7 Ne3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 c3 e6 h3 Bh5 Bf4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nbd2 Nge7 O-O O-O Re1 Rfe8 Qe2 Bg6 Nf1 Rac8 Nh4 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qf4 g3 Qc7 Ne3 Rcd8 Qe2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Qe2 Nxd3 Qxd3 Qc7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Qe2 Nxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 Nxc6 Qxc6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2004)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Be7 Qd2 O-O Be2 a6 O-O b5 a3 Qb6 Nd1 a5 c3 a4 Bd3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc5 Qe2 Nxd3 Qxd3 Qc7 Nxc6 Qxc6 Rf3 f6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 c5 c3 Nc6 e3 Qb6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 c5 c3 Nc6 e3 Qb6 Qc2 Bf5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6 Bf4 e6 g4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Nxd4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Nxd4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bf6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 Nf3 Qa5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 c5 c3 Nc6 e3 Qb6 Qc2 Bf5 dxc5 Bxc2 cxb6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 e4 Bg7 d4 c6 Nf3 d5 e5 Nh6 h3 f6 Bf4 e6 g4 Nf7 exf6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Nxd4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bf6 Qd5 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 O-O Be7 Nxd4 Nxe4 Nf5 Bf6 Qd5 O-O Qxe4 d5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 d5 Bf4 c5 c3 Nc6 e3 Qb6 Qc2 Bf5 dxc5 Bxc2 cxb6 axb6 Na3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 Nf3 Qa5 Qc2 g5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8 Bf1 Nh5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8 Bf1 Nh5 Rab1 Nc6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 Nf3 Qa5 Qc2 g5 Bg3 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2182)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Qc2 b6 Bd3 Bb7 O-O Be7 b3 dxc4 bxc4 c5 Rd1 Bxf3 gxf3 cxd4 exd4 O-O a4 Rc8 Bf4 Bb4 Bg3 Nb8 Bf1 Nh5 Rab1 Nc6 d5 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 a3 Bb7 g4 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6 c4 c5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6 c4 c5 Nc3 Bc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6 c4 c5 Nc3 Bc7 Ne4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5 Na5 Qc8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6 c4 c5 Nc3 Bc7 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Ba5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5 Na5 Qc8 Nc4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6 c4 c5 Nc3 Bc7 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Ba5 Qxd8 Rfxd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 Nf6 Re1 Bd6 c4 c5 Nc3 Bc7 Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Ba5 Qxd8 Rfxd8 Rf1 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5 Na5 Qc8 Nc4 Qc7 Nd5 Bxd5
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5 Na5 Qc8 Nc4 Qc7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nf4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 Bg2 Nf6 h3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5 Na5 Qc8 Nc4 Qc7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nf4 h4 f6
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 Bg2 Nf6 h3 O-O h4
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 Bg2 Nf6 h3 O-O h4 e5 h5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Timothy Cookson (2160)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 bxa4 Rxa4 O-O g5 Nh5 Na5 Qc8 Nc4 Qc7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nf4 h4 f6 Qa5 Qb8
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Joop Simmelink (2201)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 Bg2 Nf6 h3 O-O h4 e5 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
a3 g6 d3 Bg7 g3 d5 Bg2 Nf6 h3 O-O h4 e5 h5 Nxh5 Rxh5 gxh5 e3
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7 exf5 O-O O-O e4 Qxe4 Re8
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Bg5 a6 Na3 b5 Bxf6 gxf6 Nd5 f5 Bd3 Be6 c3 Bg7 Nxb5 axb5 Bxb5 Rc8 Qa4 Bd7 exf5 O-O O-O e4 Qxe4 Re8 Qa4 Re5
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Bd2 Be7 Qb3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Nb6 Nc3 Nc6 e3 O-O O-O Re8 Nh4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 a6 Rc1
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 a6 Rc1 Nd7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 a6 Rc1 Nd7 Bd3 Rc8 Ne2
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Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 a6 Rc1 Nd7 Bd3 Rc8 Ne2 b5 a4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 a6 Rc1 Nd7 Bd3 Rc8 Ne2 b5 a4 bxa4 Qxa4
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Joop Simmelink (2201)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb3 Qc7 Bd2 Be7 cxd5 cxd5 Nxg6 hxg6 O-O-O Nc6 Kb1 a6 Rc1 Nd7 Bd3 Rc8 Ne2 b5 a4 bxa4 Qxa4 Nb6 Qxa6
============
Contributors : Joop Simmelink
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6 Be3 Be6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6 Be3 Be6 Qd2 h6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6 Be3 Be6 Qd2 h6 Rfc1 Nxe2
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6 Be3 Be6 Qd2 h6 Rfc1 Nxe2 Qxe2 d5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6 Be3 Be6 Qd2 h6 Rfc1 Nxe2 Qxe2 d5 cxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2387)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Rb1 a6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Nc3 b5 Be2 O-O O-O c6 Be3 Be6 Qd2 h6 Rfc1 Nxe2 Qxe2 d5 cxd5 cxd5 d4 Nxe4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5 Qe2 Nxf3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5 Qe2 Nxf3 Qxf3 Bd6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Bf5 Ng3 Bg6 h4 h6 Nf3 Nd7 h5 Bh7 Be3 Ngf6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5 Qe2 Nxf3 Qxf3 Bd6 g3 Be5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5 Qe2 Nxf3 Qxf3 Bd6 g3 Be5 Bf4 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5 Qe2 Nxf3 Qxf3 Bd6 g3 Be5 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 Qxf4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 Qc2 dxc4 e4 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bxc4 Nbd7 O-O O-O Qe2 Qc7 Ba6 Bxa6 Qxa6 Ne5 Qe2 Nxf3 Qxf3 Bd6 g3 Be5 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 Qxf4 gxf4 Nh5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7 Qg4 Ngf6
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7 Qg4 Ngf6 Qe2 e6
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 d6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7 Qg4 Ngf6 Qe2 e6 Nf3 a6
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7 Qg4 Ngf6 Qe2 e6 Nf3 a6 Bd3 g6
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 d6 Nc2 h6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Be7 Bg2 O-O d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4 Bb4 Bg5 Be7
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O Nf3 Re8 O-O e4 Ne1 Bxc3 dxc3 d6 Nc2 h6 Ne3 Nbd7
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7 Qg4 Ngf6 Qe2 e6 Nf3 a6 Bd3 g6 e5 dxe5
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Jaimie Wilson (1881)
Nf3 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 b6 Bg2 Bb7 d4
Transpose to wikichess #3187#
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Vladimir Valentinovich (1800)
e4 c5 Nc3 d6 Bb5 Nd7 Qg4 Ngf6 Qe2 e6 Nf3 a6 Bd3 g6 e5 dxe5 Ne4 Qc7
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Contributors : Vladimir Valentinovich
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 e5 Nd4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1 b6 d4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1 b6 d4 cxd4 cxd4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 e5 Nd4 Nbc6 Qb2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 e5 Nd4 Nbc6 Qb2 exd4 cxd4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1 b6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ne7 Rb2
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1 b6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ne7 Rb2 Bh3 Qb3
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 e5 Nd4 Nbc6 Qb2 exd4 cxd4 Bd7 O-O
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1 b6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ne7 Rb2 Bh3 Qb3 Red8 Rc2
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 O-O Bg2 Re8 Nf3 e4 Nd4 c5 Nc2 Nc6 O-O d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne3 Qh5 Rb1 b6 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Ne7 Rb2 Bh3 Qb3 Red8 Rc2 h6 Re1
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2309)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 e5 Nd4 Nbc6 Qb2 exd4 cxd4 Bd7 O-O Rae8 Bf2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 O-O Qd2 Nc6 Bc4 Bd7 h4 h5 O-O-O Ne5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6 Bf4 Nb4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6 Bf4 Nb4 Bc7 Qe8
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 exd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6 Nxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Ng5 Nxg5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Nc6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Nf3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bb5 Nc6 Ne5 Qb6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 g3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 h6 Bd2 c5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 c6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 h6 Bd2 c5 Qf3 Bc8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Qd7 Nc3 Rfe8 Bd2 Nd8 Nd5 Ne6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Ng5 Nxg5 Bxg5 h6 Bd2 c5 Qf3 Bc8 c3 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 c6 g3 Bg4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6 Bf4 Nb4 Bc7 Qe8 Nd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb5 dxe5 Nxe5 Bd7 Nxd7 Qxd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 c6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 e6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6 Bf4 Nb4 Bc7 Qe8 Nd6 Bxd6 Bxd6 Rf7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Bc5 c3 O-O d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 e5 Ne4 d5 Ne7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 c6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 e6 exd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 cxd4 cxd4 d6 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb5 dxe5 Nxe5 Bd7 Nxd7 Qxd7 O-O e6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #46361#
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 c6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 e6 exd6 Bxd6 h3 Bh5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6 Bf4 Nb4 Bc7 Qe8 Nd6 Bxd6 Bxd6 Rf7 Qc1 g6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 Bc4 Be7 O-O Nb6 Bb3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2054)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 e3 e6 Bd3 b6 Ne2 Bb7 O-O Bd6 Nbc3 O-O f3 c5 Nb5 Be7 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc4 e4 Nc6 Bf4 Nb4 Bc7 Qe8 Nd6 Bxd6 Bxd6 Rf7 Qc1 g6 Bh3 Ba6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e5 d3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 Bc4 Be7 O-O Nb6 Bb3 exd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 c6 g3 Bg4 Bg2 e6 exd6 Bxd6 h3 Bh5 O-O Nd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
a3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 e5 d3 Ne7 h3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 Nbd7 Bc4 Be7 O-O Nb6 Bb3 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7 d4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7 d4 Bb6 d5 Nb8
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O h5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8 e5 Na4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8 e5 Na4 Rb1 Qc3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O h5 a5 Qb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6 Rf2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1766)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Bc5 d3 d6 Bg5 Nge7 c3 Bd7 d4 Bb6 d5 Nb8 Qd3 f6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O h5 a5 Qb7 Qe1 g6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 c4 Nbc6 Qa4 a6 Nc3 dxc4 O-O-O Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 Nxf5 Nxf5 Bb6 Nc6 f4 Rc8 g4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O h5 a5 Qb7 Qe1 g6 Rd4 Rb8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Qa4 c6 Qxc4 Qa5 e4 Be6 Qd3 Bg7 Nf3 Nd7 Nd2 b5 f4 b4 cxb4 Qxb4 Bf2 Nc5 Qe3 Rd8 e5 Na4 Rb1 Qc3 Ba6 Bxa2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O h5 a5 Qb7 Qe1 g6 Rd4 Rb8 f4 Bh6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2177)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bxb6 Qxb6 O-O-O h5 a5 Qb7 Qe1 g6 Rd4 Rb8 f4 Bh6 Kb1 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2200)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 h3 e6 Nf3 c5 Bb5 Nc6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6 c3 Be4 Ng5 Bg6 f4 Qb6 b3 Ne7 Ba3 Nf5 Qd3 h6 Nf3 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd3 Nxe6 fxe6 Rf2 c4 Bxf8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 c4 Nbc6 Qa4 a6 Nc3 dxc4 O-O-O Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 Nxf5 Nxf5 Bb6 Nc6 f4 Rc8 g4 Nh4 Rhf1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Be7 Nf3 O-O O-O c6 Qc2 b6 Bf4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Be7 Nf3 O-O O-O c6 Qc2 b6 Bf4 Bb7 Rd1 Nbd7
Transpose to wikichess #146972#
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4 Nd2 Bd7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (1901)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 c4 Nc6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #31816#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1901)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O b3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4 Nd2 Bd7 Qg3 Qc5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3 N4c6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4 Nd2 Bd7 Qg3 Qc5 h3 Qb4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Jaimie Wilson (1901)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O b3 Bxd3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4 Nd2 Bd7 Qg3 Qc5 h3 Qb4 Nf3 Qxb2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4 Nd2 Bd7 Qg3 Qc5 h3 Qb4 Nf3 Qxb2 e5 dxe5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2382)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Qh4 Qe2 Nf6 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 O-O Nd2 d6 Nf3 Qh5 O-O Re8 Rfe1 Bg4 Nd2 Bd7 Qg3 Qc5 h3 Qb4 Nf3 Qxb2 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Re7
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Jaimie Wilson (1901)
d4 Nf6 f4 d5 e3 Bf5 Bd3 e6 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O b3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Ne4 Nbd2
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 c4 Nbc6 Qa4 a6 Nc3 dxc4 O-O-O Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 Nxf5 Nxf5 Bb6 Nc6 f4 Rc8 g4 Nh4 Rhf1 Be7 Kb1
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3 N4c6 Bc4 b6 Nb5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nxd4
Transpose to wikichess #145232#
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 d4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 Bg4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2089)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Ne7 c4 Nbc6 Qa4 a6 Nc3 dxc4 O-O-O Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 Nxf5 Nxf5 Bb6 Nc6 f4 Rc8 g4 Nh4 Rhf1 Be7 Kb1 h5 gxh5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 d4 Bb6 Bxf4 O-O
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 d4 Bb6 Bxf4 O-O Qd3 d6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 d4 Bb6 Bxf4 O-O Qd3 d6 Nf3 Re8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Bc4 Nf6 Nc3 Bc5 d4 Bb6 Bxf4 O-O Qd3 d6 Nf3 Re8 O-O-O a6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Be2 Qh4 Kf1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Be2 Qh4 Kf1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Nc3 d6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Be2 Qh4 Kf1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Nc3 d6 d3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Qe7 d4 Bd6 Bf4 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Qe7 d4 Bd6 Bf4 Bxe5 Bxe5 Nbd7
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bb6 Bc4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Be2 Qh4 Kf1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Nc3 d6 d3 Nc6 Nb5 Qd7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Be2 Qh4 Kf1 Nf6 Nf3 Qg4 Nc3 d6 d3 Nc6 Nb5 Qd7 Bxf4 Be7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bb6 Bc4 Nc6 d4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bb6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 exd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bb6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bg4 Qb3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Bb6 Bc4 Nc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bg4 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 Bc5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5 O-O Bxc6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3 N4c6 Bc4 b6 Nb5 a6 Nd6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Qf2 Kc3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O Nf6 Bh6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3 N4c6 Bc4 b6 Nb5 a6 Nd6 Qc7 Nxc8
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O Nf6 Bh6 Rhg8 Bxg7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Qf2 Kc3 Nf6 Qf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O Nf6 Bh6 Rhg8 Bxg7 Rxg7 e5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 d3 d5 Bxf4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Qf2 Kc3 Nf6 Qf3 Qe1 Nd2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Qf2 Kc3 Nf6 Qf3 Qe1 Nd2 d5 e5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 d4 Qh4 Kd2 Qf2 Kc3 Nf6 Qf3 Qe1 Nd2 d5 e5 Ne4 Kd3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O Nf6 Bh6 Rhg8 Bxg7 Rxg7 e5 Ne8 Ne4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O Nf6 Bh6 Rhg8 Bxg7 Rxg7 e5 Ne8 Ne4 h5 exd6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Jaimie Wilson (1901)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qd2 Nf6 O-O-O Bb4 a3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3 N4c6 Bc4 b6 Nb5 a6 Nd6 Qc7 Nxc8 Rxc8 a4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Tim Harding (2377)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 Nc3 Nc6 h3 Bg7 d4 d6 g3 g4 hxg4 Bxg4 Bxf4 Nxd4 Bg2 Qd7 Qd3 Nxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O O-O-O Nf6 Bh6 Rhg8 Bxg7 Rxg7 e5 Ne8 Ne4 h5 exd6 cxd6 Rhf1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nd2 c5 Ngf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 exd5 Nxd5 N2f3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Bxb4 Nxb4 c3 N4c6 Bc4 b6 Nb5 a6 Nd6 Qc7 Nxc8 Rxc8 a4 Nd7 Be2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1805)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 c3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1805)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 c3 Bg7 d3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1805)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 c3 Bg7 d3 Qe7 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1805)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O a6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1805)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e6 O-O a6 Bxc6 bxc6
Transpose to wikichess #180591#
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Bg7 e4 Nxc3 Bxc3 O-O Qd2 c5 d5 Bxc3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2296)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 f5 Nh3 Qa5 Bd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Qxb2 Qe1 cxd4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Rb1 Bxc3 Rxb2 Bxe1 Rxe1 b6 h4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Qxb2 Qe1 cxd4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Rb1 Bxc3 Rxb2 Bxe1 Rxe1 b6 h4 h5 Nxf5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Qxb2 Qe1 cxd4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Rb1 Bxc3 Rxb2 Bxe1 Rxe1 b6 h4 h5 Nxf5 exf5 c4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Qxb2 Qe1 cxd4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Rb1 Bxc3 Rxb2 Bxe1 Rxe1 b6 h4 h5 Nxf5 exf5 c4 Ne7 Rd2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 O-O Qxb2 Qe1 cxd4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bb4 Rb1 Bxc3 Rxb2 Bxe1 Rxe1 b6 h4 h5 Nxf5 exf5 c4 Ne7 Rd2 O-O-O Red1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6 Nxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6 exf5 gxf5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6 exf5 gxf5 b5 h6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6 exf5 gxf5 b5 h6 Nh3 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 h4 g4 Ne5 Nbd7 Be2 Bb7
Transpose to wikichess #14401#
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6 exf5 gxf5 b5 h6 Nh3 d5 Ba3 e4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6 exf5 gxf5 b5 h6 Nh3 d5 Ba3 e4 cxd5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O Nc6 d5 Ne7 b4 Nh5 Re1 f5 Ng5 Nf6 Bf3 c6 dxc6 bxc6 exf5 gxf5 b5 h6 Nh3 d5 Ba3 e4 cxd5 cxd5 Nf4 Re8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qe3 c5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qe3 c5 c3 Be6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qe3 c5 c3 Be6 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qe3 c5 c3 Be6 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd4 Rxa3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb6 Nc3 Nf6 Qe2 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 a5 O-O-O a4 Nd2 Bd4 Nb5 a3 bxa3 d6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Qe3 c5 c3 Be6 cxd4 cxd4 Qxd4 Rxa3 Bxf6 gxf6
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 e3 e5 dxe5 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #116421#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Mark Lim (2046)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 b5 c3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nd2
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Qd2 e5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 e3 e5 dxe5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nd2 g6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nd2 g6 Bd3 Bg7 a4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 e3 e5 dxe5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Bd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 e3 e5 dxe5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Bd3 Bg4 h3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nd2 g6 Bd3 Bg7 a4 Nh6 Nc4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nd2 g6 Bd3 Bg7 a4 Nh6 Nc4 O-O h4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 d5 c4 Nc6 e3 e5 dxe5 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Bd3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 g4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nd2 g6 Bd3 Bg7 a4 Nh6 Nc4 O-O h4 f5 Bg5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Qd2 e5 Nf3 Be7
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Qd2 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6 Qe6 Ng5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6 Qe6 Ng5 Qe8 Nb5
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6 Qe6 Ng5 Qe8 Nb5 Nbd5 Bc4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6 Qe6 Ng5 Qe8 Nb5 Nbd5 Bc4 Nxe3 Qxe3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6 Qe6 Ng5 Qe8 Nb5 Nbd5 Bc4 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qc6 b3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 e5 Nf3 Qe7 Qd2 Bg7 O-O-O O-O fxe5 dxe5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Nb6 d6 Qe6 Ng5 Qe8 Nb5 Nbd5 Bc4 Nxe3 Qxe3 Qc6 b3 Bf5 g4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Kazimierz Suwara (1829)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Qd2 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Qc7
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4 Re8 Rb1
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4 Re8 Rb1 exd4 cxd4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4 Re8 Rb1 exd4 cxd4 d5 bxc6
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4 Re8 Rb1 exd4 cxd4 d5 bxc6 dxc4 Nxc4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4 Re8 Rb1 exd4 cxd4 d5 bxc6 dxc4 Nxc4 bxc6 Rxb6
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2376)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O h6 b4 Bb6 Re1 O-O Nbd2 Ne7 h3 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 c6 d4 Re8 Rb1 exd4 cxd4 d5 bxc6 dxc4 Nxc4 bxc6 Rxb6 Rxe4 Rxe4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2239)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Nf6 dxc5 b6 e4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2239)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Nf6 dxc5 b6 e4 bxc5 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #168867#
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O h4 Re8
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O h4 Re8 Nc1 Qb6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bb5 c6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 g6 c4 Be6 cxd5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bb5 c6 Qe2 Qe7
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bb5 c6 Qe2 Qe7 d3 Nf6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 g6 c4 Be6 cxd5 Bxd5 Nf3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bb5 c6 Qe2 Qe7 d3 Nf6 Qxe7 Bxe7
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 g6 c4 Be6 cxd5 Bxd5 Nf3 Bg7 Qc2
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 g6 c4 Be6 cxd5 Bxd5 Nf3 Bg7 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 Bb5 c6 Qe2 Qe7 d3 Nf6 Qxe7 Bxe7 Ba4 b5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Qe7 a3 Bb7
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 b5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Qe7 a3 Bb7 d3 Nf6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Qe7 a3 Bb7 d3 Nf6 O-O Qc5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 d5 Bb2 Nf6 e3 g6 c4 Be6 cxd5 Bxd5 Nf3 Bg7 Qc2 Bxf3 gxf3 a6 d4
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Qe7 a3 Bb7 d3 Nf6 O-O Qc5 Be3 Qd6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O h4 Re8 Nc1 Qb6 N1a2 Bf8
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O h4 Re8 Nc1 Qb6 N1a2 Bf8 g3 Qb7
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 b5 Bd2 h6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Bg5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O h4 Re8 Nc1 Qb6 N1a2 Bf8 g3 Qb7 Rh2 Rc5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 b5 Bd2 h6 c4 bxc4
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Bg5 Be3 Bxe3
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 f3 dxe4 fxe4 Nf6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6 Be2
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6 Be2 Bxf3 gxf3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6 Be2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nc6 O-O
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 e3 Nf5 Bb2
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 Bg4 Nc3 Qe6 Be2 Bxf3 gxf3 Nc6 O-O O-O-O Ne4
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 f3 dxe4 fxe4 Nf6 e5 Ne4
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 f3 dxe4 fxe4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Bg4
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 f3 dxe4 fxe4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 f3 dxe4 fxe4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 Qd3 Bf5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 f3 dxe4 fxe4 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 e6 Qd3 Bf5 Qe3 c5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 e3 Nf5 Bb2 d5 Nf3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Qa5 Nc3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O Be7 Kb1 b5 a3 Rc8 Bg5 O-O h4 Re8 Nc1 Qb6 N1a2 Bf8 g3 Qb7 Rh2 Rc5 Be3 R5c8
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 b5 Bd2 h6 c4 bxc4 Qxc4 Rc8
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Bg5 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Be6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Qa5 Nc3 e5 Nf5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 e3 Nf5 Bb2 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Bg5 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Be6 Qd4 h5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timofey Denisov (2004)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 f4 Qc7 Qf3 b5 O-O-O Bb7 Bd3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf5 d5 exd5 Bxf5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf5 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc6 Qxd1
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 b5 Bd2 h6 c4 bxc4 Qxc4 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf5 d5 exd5 Bxf5 dxc6 Qxd1 Kxd1 O-O-O
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 e3 Nf5 Bb2 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Qa5 Nc3 e5 Nf5 g6 Nd6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 c4 Qa5 Nc3 e5 Nf5 g6 Nd6 Bxd6 Qxd6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 e3 Nf5 Bb2 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 e6 O-O
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Timofey Denisov (2004)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 c5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3 h5 Nd1
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nf3 Nxe4 d4 d5 Bd3 Bd6 O-O O-O c4 c6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 dxc4 Bxc4 Bf5 Re1 Nd7 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 b5 Bd2 h6 c4 bxc4 Qxc4 Rc8 Rad1 Qc7 h3 Rfd8
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Bg5 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Be6 Qd4 h5 Kb1 hxg4
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nc6 b5 Nd4 e3 Nf5 Bb2 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 dxc4 Bxc4 e6 O-O Nd6 Be2
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ng5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e6 g4 h6 Bg2 Be7 Be3 Nc6 f4 Nd7 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 e5 fxe5 Nxe5 O-O-O Bg5 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Be6 Qd4 h5 Kb1 hxg4 hxg4 Rxh1
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timofey Denisov (2004)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 c5 d5 exd5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3 h5 Nd1 g6 Bb2
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timofey Denisov (2004)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2193)
c4 e5 b3
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2193)
c4 e5 b3 Nc6 Bb2
Transpose to wikichess #22120#
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 c3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 c3 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 c3 cxd4 cxd4 g6 f4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Rae8
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 c3 cxd4 cxd4 g6 f4 Bg7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3 h5 Nd1 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bd2
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Rae8 Rae1 Qf4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bd2 dxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Timofey Denisov (2004)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 a6 Nc3 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 a4 g6
Transpose to wikichess #36170#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Nb6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Nb6 Nd2 d5 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Rae8 Rae1 Qf4 Bb5 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Qh5 O-O Qxd5 Bc6 Qh5 g6 Qh3 Ng5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nc3 Rae8 Rae1 Qf4 Bb5 Qxd4 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Nb6 Nd2 d5 Rfe1 dxc4 Nxc4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bd2 dxe4 dxe4 Bd6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Nb6 Nd2 d5 Rfe1 dxc4 Nxc4 Nxc4 bxc4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bd2 dxe4 dxe4 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 Bg4 Be2 cxd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bd2 dxe4 dxe4 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Nb6 Nd2 d5 Rfe1 dxc4 Nxc4 Nxc4 bxc4 Rb8 Rac1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 e5 Nb3 Be7 O-O Be6 f4 exf4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 Nf3 d5 d3 Nc6 Bd2 dxe4 dxe4 Bd6 Nc3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd7 O-O Ne5 Bxd7
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3 h5 Nd1 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf2 Qa5 Rab1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3 Nb6 e4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Nb6 Nd2 d5 Rfe1 dxc4 Nxc4 Nxc4 bxc4 Rb8 Rac1 Rb6 a4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3 h5 Nd1 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf2 Qa5 Rab1 Ng4 Bxg7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2121)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nxe5 d6 Nxf7 Kxf7 Nc3 Be6 d4 Kg8 Bd3 c5 d5 Bf7 O-O a6 a4 Nbd7 b3 Qc7 f4 Re8 Qf3 h5 Nd1 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Nf2 Qa5 Rab1 Ng4 Bxg7 Kxg7 Nh3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5 Bg6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5 Bg6 Nxf6 gxf6 Nf7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5 Bg6 Nxf6 gxf6 Nf7 Bxf7 Bxf7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5 Bg6 Nxf6 gxf6 Nf7 Bxf7 Bxf7 h5 a5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Bd3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4 Be3 Bd2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4 Be3 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxf2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Bd3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5 Bxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Bb4 Bd3 Bxc3 bxc3 d6 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bg2 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bg2 Bb7 Ne4 Be7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bg2 Bb7 Ne4 Be7 Nf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Ne4 Nc3 Nc6 Qb3 h5 Qxd5 Qxd5 Nxd5 Bf5 Nxg5 Nxg5 Nxc7 Kd7 Nxa8 Bb4 Kd1 h4 Bf4 Ne4 Be3 Bd2 Bxd2 Nxf2 Ke1 Nxh1
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bg2 Bb7 Ne4 Be7 Nf6 Bxf6 gxf6 Rd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2193)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 d6 Nxc6 bxc6 O-O-O Nf6 g4 h5 g5 Ng4 Bf4 g6 e5 Nxe5 Bxe5 dxe5 Bg2 Bb7 Ne4 Be7 Nf6 Bxf6 gxf6 Rd8 Qa3 e4
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Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Timofey Denisov (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Nc3 Qh4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2004)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Bxd7 O-O Bd6 Nc3 Qh4 g3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3 Qd5 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5 Bg6 Nxf6 gxf6 Nf7 Bxf7 Bxf7 h5 a5 a6 Bc4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3 b6 Nf3
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Tim Harding (2400)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f5 d3 fxe4 dxe4 Nf6 O-O d6 Bc4 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Nc3 Qd7 Nd5 O-O-O Qd3 Kb8 a4 Ne7 Ng5 Bg6 Nxf6 gxf6 Nf7 Bxf7 Bxf7 h5 a5 a6 Bc4 d5 Rd1
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 g6 O-O
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 d5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3 Nb6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Bd3 Bxd3 Qxd3 e6 Nf3 c5
Transpose to wikichess #189601#
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 d5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 c4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3 Nb6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Qb6 Bd3 Bd7 Bc2 cxd4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 d5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 c4 O-O h3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 Nf6 Bb2 d6 e3 b6 Nf3 Bg4 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 c4 O-O h3 Bxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 c4 Bg7 g3 O-O Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 O-O b6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 d5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nf3 O-O e3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 a6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8 Ne5 a6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3 Nb6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nd5 Be5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 a6 O-O Bc5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8 Ne5 a6 Qd2 Be6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 c4 Bg7 g3 O-O Bg2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 O-O b6 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 d5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nf3 O-O e3 c5 b5
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3 Nb6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nd5 Be5 Rc8 h4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e6 d4 d5 e5 c5 c3 Nc6 Nf3 Bd7 Be2 Nge7 Na3 cxd4 cxd4 Nf5 Nc2 Be7 O-O O-O Bd3 f6 Bxf5 exf5 Re1 Rc8 Bf4 g5 exf6 Bxf6 Bd6 Re8 Ne5 a6 Qd2 Be6 Nxc6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Azaim Mohamed Said (1157)
b4 e5 Bb2 Nf6 a3 d5 Bxe5 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Nf3 O-O e3 c5 b5 a6 c4
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3 Qd5 O-O Be7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2311)
g3 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bh5 d4 e6 c4 Nbd7 cxd5 cxd5 Bf4 Bxf3 Bxf3 Be7 Nc3 O-O Rc1 h6 Qd3 Nb6 e4 dxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qxe4 Nd5 Be5 Rc8 h4 Qd7 Be2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3 Qd5 O-O Be7 Qc2 Qh5 Rab1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3 Qd5 O-O Be7 Qc2 Qh5 Rab1 a6 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3 Qd5 O-O Be7 Qc2 Qh5 Rab1 a6 Rfd1 O-O Be4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2400)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 a3 cxd4 cxd4 e5 dxe5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxe5 Nf3 Qxe4 Be3 Nc6 Bd3 Qd5 O-O Be7 Qc2 Qh5 Rab1 a6 Rfd1 O-O Be4 h6 Rd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 a5 Qa4 Bd7 b5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 Nb6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Be2 b6 h4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 a5 Qa4 Bd7 b5 Bxc5 Bc4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 f6 e3 e5 c5 a5 Qa4 Bd7 b5 Bxc5 Bc4 Ne7 exd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 Nb6 Nf3 g6 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 Nb6 Nf3 g6 d4 e6 dxe6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4 Bd6 Qa4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Rf5 Nd4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 Nf5 g6 Ng3 d5 Nc3 O-O Nb5 h5 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bxf6 Ne5 Ne2 Re8 Bxe5 Rxe5 c3 Bd7 h4 Bg4 b4 Bd6 Qa4 Rf5 Nd4 Rf6 Be2
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1865)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 Nbd7 Nc3 Nb6 Nf3 g6 d4 e6 dxe6 Bxe6 d5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2027)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O h3 e5 d5 Nh5 g3 f5 exf5 gxf5 Ng5 Qe8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7 Be2 dxc3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7 Be2 dxc3 Nxc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7 Be2 dxc3 Nxc3 O-O O-O Nbd7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7 Be2 dxc3 Nxc3 O-O O-O Nbd7 Re1 Qd6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7 Be2 dxc3 Nxc3 O-O O-O Nbd7 Re1 Qd6 Nb5 Qb6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 Nf3 d5 exd5 Bb4 c3 Qe7 Be2 dxc3 Nxc3 O-O O-O Nbd7 Re1 Qd6 Nb5 Qb6 Be3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1290)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 Be3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1290)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 Be3 Bd7 O-O g6
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Azaim Mohamed Said (1290)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 Be3 Bd7 O-O g6 Nc3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Azaim Mohamed Said (1290)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bd3 Nc6 Be3 Bd7 O-O g6 Nc3 Bg7 Nd5 Nxd5
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Contributors : Azaim Mohamed Said
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1 Nxg2 Rxg2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1 Nxg2 Rxg2 Bf5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1 Nxg2 Rxg2 Bf5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bb2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1 Nxg2 Rxg2 Bf5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bb2 Qd6 Nd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2138)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Be7 Be3
Transpose to wikichess #176191#
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1 Nxg2 Rxg2 Bf5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bb2 Qd6 Nd5 Nd7 Rg3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
Nf3 d5 c4 d4 b4 g5 g3 g4 Nh4 e5 Bg2 a5 b5 Be7 d3 Bxh4 gxh4 Ne7 Qd2 h6 e3 Nf5 exd4 Nxh4 Rg1 Nxg2 Rxg2 Bf5 Nc3 Qxd4 Bb2 Qd6 Nd5 Nd7 Rg3 Be6 d4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 Nd2 g6 c4 Ba6
Transpose to wikichess #41985#
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Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2138)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 g4 hxg4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2138)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 g4 hxg4 fxg4 a5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4
Transpose to wikichess #24110#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2138)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 g4 hxg4 fxg4 a5 Qd1 Ne4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 c4 Qxd1
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
George Dimitrov (2138)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Rae1 Qc7 g4 hxg4 fxg4 a5 Qd1 Ne4 Qc2 Nec5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 c4 Qxd1 Rxd1 Ne7
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 e5 Bd7 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4
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Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 a6 Nc3 b5 a3 Bb7 Bd3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 e5 Bd7 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1868)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c3 e6 d4 d5 e5 Bd7 Bd3 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Nh6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1 Nxa1 Qxa1
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1 Nxa1 Qxa1 Qc7 Nh4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1 Nxa1 Qxa1 Qc7 Nh4 Ne7 g4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1 Nxa1 Qxa1 Qc7 Nh4 Ne7 g4 Be4 f3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1 Nxa1 Qxa1 Qc7 Nh4 Ne7 g4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2430)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 c5 Be3 Qb6 Nc3 Nc6 Na4 Qa5 c3 c4 b4 Bxb4 cxb4 Nxb4 Nc5 Nc2 Kf1 Nxa1 Qxa1 Qc7 Nh4 Ne7 g4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Qb2 h5 Nxg6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bb2 O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 Bc4 h6 b3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bb2 O-O Qe2 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #199961#
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 d5 c4
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 d5 c4 dxc4 Qf2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7 Bc4 Kf8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7 Bc4 Kf8 Bxf4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7 Bc4 Kf8 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd2 Bd7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7 Bc4 Kf8 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd2 Bd7 Kc2 b5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7 Bc4 Kf8 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd2 Bd7 Kc2 b5 Be2 Nd5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nh5 d4 d6 Qe2 d5 c4 dxc4 Qf2 Be6 Be2
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 g5 h4 g4 Ne5 Qe7 d4 d6 Nxg4 Qxe4 Qe2 Qe7 Kd1 Bg7 c3 f5 Nf2 Nc6 Qh5 Qf7 Qxf7 Kxf7 Bc4 Kf8 Bxf4 Nf6 Nd2 Bd7 Kc2 b5 Be2 Nd5 Nd3 Nce7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Ne2
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Ne2 O-O h3
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
f4 d5 Nf3 e6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Nbd7 b3 g6 Bb2 Bg7 Ne2 O-O h3 b6 g4
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8 Qf2 a6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8 Qf2 a6 Nd5 Nge7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8 Qf2 a6 Nd5 Nge7 Nxe7 Nxe7
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 e5 Nc3 d6 e3 Nc6
Transpose to wikichess #81074#
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8 Qf2 a6 Nd5 Nge7 Nxe7 Nxe7 Bh5 Rhf8
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8 Qf2 a6 Nd5 Nge7 Nxe7 Nxe7 Bh5 Rhf8 Bxf7 Nc6
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Tim Harding (2445)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 h6 d4 g5 Nc3 Bg7 g3 fxg3 hxg3 d6 Be3 Nc6 Qd2 Bg4 Be2 Qd7 O-O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 O-O-O Rhf1 Kb8 Qf2 a6 Nd5 Nge7 Nxe7 Nxe7 Bh5 Rhf8 Bxf7 Nc6 Qf5 Qxf5
============
Contributors : Tim Harding
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4 Bd2 d5
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4 Bd2 d5 a3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Neemias Alves de Lima (1300)
c4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 e3 Nf6 d4 e6 Nf3 cxd4 exd4 Bb4 Bd2 d5 a3 Bxc3 Bxc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Neemias Alves de Lima
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 O-O d6 d4 Bg4 d5 a6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 O-O d6 d4 Bg4 d5 a6 Bxc6 Ke7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 c3 Be7 f4 Nf6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Nb3 Bb4 c3 Be7 f4 Nf6 Bd3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 O-O d6 d4 Bg4 d5 a6 Bxc6 Ke7 Bxb7 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 d3 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O Nbd2 Na5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 c5 d5 e6 e4 exd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 c5 d5 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Nf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 f6 O-O d6 d4 Bg4 d5 a6 Bxc6 Ke7 Bxb7 Bxf3 Qxf3 Rb8
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 c5 d5 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Nf6 Bxc4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 Nbd7 O-O-O h5 a3
Transpose to wikichess #116327#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 c5 d5 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Nf6 Bxc4 Bd6 Qe2 Qe7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7 Qd2 Ng6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7 Qd2 Ng6 Na3 N4xe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7 Qd2 Ng6 Na3 N4xe5 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7 Qd2 Ng6 Na3 N4xe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Nxb5 d6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 c5 d5 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Nf6 Bxc4 Bd6 Qe2 Qe7 Nc3 a6
Transpose to wikichess #199896#
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7 Qd2 Ng6 Na3 N4xe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Nxb5 d6 Ba4 Qe6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 O-O d4 Bb6 dxe5 Ng4 Bf4 Qe8 Qd5 Ne7 Qd2 Ng6 Na3 N4xe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Nxb5 d6 Ba4 Qe6 Nd4 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Be2 b5 Qb3 c5 dxc5 Be6 Qc2 Nbd7 Be3 Rc8 Rd1 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nxc5 O-O Qd6 Rc1 Qb8 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 Nf3 Bg7 Qb3 dxc4 Qxc4 O-O e4 a6 Be2 b5 Qb3 c5 dxc5 Be6 Qc2 Nbd7 Be3 Rc8 Rd1 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nxc5 O-O Qd6 Rc1 Qb8 Bxc5 Nd7 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nge2 d5 a3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Nf4 c6 Bd3 Na6
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5 Qb6 b3
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5 Qb6 b3 g6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Be3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1876)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Bc4 c5 Be3 O-O Ne2
Transpose to wikichess #123788#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3 c4 Qb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 a6
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3 c4 Qb5 a6 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 exf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 exf6 Qxf6 Qxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5 Qb6 b3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5 Qb6 b3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5 Qb6 b3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O-O Bxc3 Qe3
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 d3 O-O Nxc6
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 d3 Nc6 Bg5 Qb6 b3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 Qd2 Qa5 O-O-O Bxc3 Qe3 Qa3 Kb1
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 d3 O-O Nxc6 dxc6 Nd2
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c6 e3 Bf5 g4 Be6 h4 Nd7 Qb3
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 a3 d6 h3
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 a3 d6 h3 Nf6 d3
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Bc5 d3 O-O Nxc6 dxc6 Nd2 exd3 Bxd3
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 b6 O-O Bb7 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Re8
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Be7
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3 c4 Qb5 a6 Bxe5 Qc8 Qa4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 Bxc4 c5 O-O a6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Be7 Nbd2 O-O
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Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Qc7 f4 Qa5
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3 c4 Qb5 a6 Bxe5 Qc8 Qa4 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3 c4 Qb5 a6 Bxe5 Qc8 Qa4 Nxe5 Nxe5 Re8 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Bd7 Bxd7 Nbxd7 Re1 O-O d4 e6 Qb3 Qc7 Bf4 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Bg3 c4 Qb5 a6 Bxe5 Qc8 Qa4 Nxe5 Nxe5 Re8 Nf3 Nxe4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2126)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Be2 h6 Nf3 e4 Ne5 Bc5 O-O Qd6 d4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Bxd4 Nc4 Nxc4 Bxc4 O-O Rd1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3 Be6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 e3 Nd7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Maximiliano Rolon (1835)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 Qxc3 Bxf3 gxf3 Bd6
============
Contributors : Maximiliano Rolon
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3 Be6 Nc3 Qd7 h3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3 Be6 Nc3 Qd7 h3 c6 Ne4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3 Be6 Nc3 Qd7 h3 c6 Ne4 Bd5 Nc5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3 Be6 Nc3 Qd7 h3 c6 Ne4 Bd5 Nc5 Qc7 Qg4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nd6 Nxe5 Be7 Bf1 Nxe5 Rxe5 O-O d4 Ne8 c4 Bf6 Re1 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Be3 Be6 Nc3 Qd7 h3 c6 Ne4 Bd5 Nc5 Qc7 Qg4 b6 Na6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Ne5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Ne5 Bg7 Be2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Ne5 Bg7 Be2 Nfd7 f4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e3 b5 c5 g6 Ne5 Bg7 Be2 Nfd7 f4 Nxe5 fxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxd7 Nxd7 Bd6 a6 a4 Bf8 Bxf8 Kxf8 e5 c5 axb5 axb5 Rxa8 Qxa8 dxc5 Qc8
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Bd4 Nxf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qa5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Be7 Bc2 d4 Nb3 d3 Bb1 Nxb3 axb3 Bf5 Re1 O-O Be3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 Nbd2 Nc5 c3 Be7 Bc2 d4 Nb3 d3 Bb1 Nxb3 axb3 Bf5 Re1 O-O Be3 Qd5 Bd4
Transpose to wikichess #165412#
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Na4 Qa5 Nc3 Qb6
Transpose to wikichess #12823#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Bd4 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5 Qa5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Bd4 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3 gxf3 Bxd4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Bd4 Nxf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Bd4 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxf5 Qxf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
George Dimitrov (2157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bxf2
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Nxg6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxf5 Qxf5 gxf5 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxf5 Qxf5 gxf5 O-O Nb6 Rfe1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxf5 Qxf5 gxf5 O-O Nb6 Rfe1 O-O Bd1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 c5 Kf2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Nc6 Qe2 Na5 Bd3 Be6 Na4 b5 Bb6 Qc8 Bxa5 bxa4 Rfe1 Bd8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 c5 Bb5 Bd7 Be2 Bg7 Nf3 cxd4 cxd4 Bc6 Qd3 Nd7 Rb1 f5 exf5 Qa5 Bd2 Qxf5 Qxf5 gxf5 O-O Nb6 Rfe1 O-O Bd1 Bd5 Bb3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
George Dimitrov (2157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 c5 Kf2 Be7 dxc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Nc6 Qe2 Na5 Bd3 Be6 Na4 b5 Bb6 Qc8 Bxa5 bxa4 Rfe1 Bd8 Bxd8 Rxd8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 c5 Kf2 Be7 dxc5 Bxc5 Rhd1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Rb8 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3 dxe4 dxe4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 a6 c5 Bf5 Bf4 Nbd7 Qb3 b6 cxb6 Qxb6 Qxb6 Nxb6 e3 e6 Rc1 Nfd7 Nh4 Be4 f3 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 Be2 c5 Kf2 Be7 dxc5 Bxc5 Rhd1 f6 a3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Nc6 Qe2 Na5 Bd3 Be6 Na4 b5 Bb6 Qc8 Bxa5 bxa4 Rfe1 Bd8 Bxd8 Rxd8 Nd2 a5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Rb8 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc5 Bxc5 Qxc5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Rb8 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc5 Bxc5 Qxc5 b4 Qa7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Rb8 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc5 Bxc5 Qxc5 b4 Qa7 Rd1 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1 a4 Bxd5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Qd2 b5 a3 Qa5 Be2 b4 Nd1 Rb8 c3 bxc3 Nxc3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bc5 Bxc5 Qxc5 b4 Qa7 Rd1 O-O Rf1 Nb6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 a3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Nc6 Qe2 Na5 Bd3 Be6 Na4 b5 Bb6 Qc8 Bxa5 bxa4 Rfe1 Bd8 Bxd8 Rxd8 Nd2 a5 Nc4 Qc5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3 dxe4 dxe4 h6 Qc2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
George Dimitrov (2157)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bxf2 Rxf2 Nxf2 Kxf2 f6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nf3 Be7 Bc4 O-O O-O Nc6 Qe2 Na5 Bd3 Be6 Na4 b5 Bb6 Qc8 Bxa5 bxa4 Rfe1 Bd8 Bxd8 Rxd8 Nd2 a5 Nc4 Qc5 b3 Qb4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8 b4 Nc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bg1 h6 h4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 a3 Re8 Bf4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 a3 Re8 Bf4 d4 Be5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8 b4 Nc6 c3 Be6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 a3 Re8 Bf4 d4 Be5 dxc3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8 b4 Nc6 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O c3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nxe5 Rxe5 c6 d3 a5 Re1 a4 Bxd5 cxd5 a3 Re8 Bf4 d4 Be5 dxc3 Nxc3 Qd7 h3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3 dxe4 dxe4 h6 Qc2 Qc7 a4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8 b4 Nc6 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Be3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8 b4 Nc6 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Be3 Qd7 Qe2 Nh5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d6 a3 Na5 Ba2 c5 Nbd2 h6 Nf1 Bc8 b4 Nc6 c3 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Be3 Qd7 Qe2 Nh5 bxc5 dxc5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bg1 h6 h4 Nbxd5 Qd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4 Nf6 Qh4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bg1 h6 h4 Nbxd5 Qd2 Qd7 Bh2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3 dxe4 dxe4 h6 Qc2 Qc7 a4 b5 Bd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bg1 h6 h4 Nbxd5 Qd2 Qd7 Bh2 Qc6 Na5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7 Bxe7 Nb3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4 Nf6 Qh4 Qc7 Rhe1
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4 Nf6 Qh4 Qc7 Rhe1 h6 Ne4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7 Bxe7 Nb3 O-O f3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7 Bxe7 Nb3 O-O f3 Rae8 Nxc5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4 Nf6 Qh4 Qc7 Rhe1 h6 Ne4 Nd5 Bc4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6 Be3 Rac8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7 Bxe7 Nb3 O-O f3 Rae8 Nxc5 Bxc5 Bd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bg1 h6 h4 Nbxd5 Qd2 Qd7 Bh2 Qc6 Na5 Qc7 Nc4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Nbd7 g4 b5 a4 b4 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 Nb6 Bg1 h6 h4 Nbxd5 Qd2 Qd7 Bh2 Qc6 Na5 Qc7 Nc4 Qc6 g5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3 dxe4 dxe4 h6 Qc2 Qc7 a4 b5 Bd2 Rd8 c4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4 Nf6 Qh4 Qc7 Rhe1 h6 Ne4 Nd5 Bc4 f5 Nd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 Nd2 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Qf3 Bxf4 Qxf4 O-O Bd3 Ne7 O-O-O Nd5 Qe4 Nf6 Qh4 Qc7 Rhe1 h6 Ne4 Nd5 Bc4 f5 Nd2 Bd7 Nf3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg2 Nc6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6 Be3 Rac8 Rfd1 Rfd8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 O-O
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7 Bxe7 Nb3 O-O f3 Rae8 Nxc5 Bxc5 Bd2 h6 Nh3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2302)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d6 Nbd2 a6 Ba4 Ba7 h3 Ne7 Re1 Ng6 Nf1 c6 Bb3 d5 Ng3 dxe4 dxe4 h6 Qc2 Qc7 a4 b5 Bd2 Rd8 c4 Be6 cxb5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 O-O a3 a5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Ne5 Nf6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6 Be3 Rac8 Rfd1 Rfd8 e5 Nb8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Nb6 e4 Bg6 h4 Bh5 Qb3 N8d7 d5 e5 dxe6 fxe6 Qxe6 Qe7 Ng5 Nc5 Qxe7 Bxe7 Nb3 O-O f3 Rae8 Nxc5 Bxc5 Bd2 h6 Nh3 Bd4 O-O-O
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7 Qe2 h6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6 Be3 Rac8 Rfd1 Rfd8 e5 Nb8 Ne1 cxd4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Ne5 Nf6 Qb3 Be6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd5 Nd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Ne5 Nf6 Qb3 Be6 Qxb7 Bd5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7 Qe2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 O-O a3 a5 e3 d6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6 Be3 Rac8 Rfd1 Rfd8 e5 Nb8 Ne1 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 a3 Bb7 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 Be7 e4 O-O Bd3 c5 O-O Qc7 Qe2 Nd7 a4 h6 Be3 Rac8 Rfd1 Rfd8 e5 Nb8 Ne1 cxd4 cxd4 Nc6 Qg4 Bf8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bg2 Nc6 Nc3 O-O a3 a5 e3 d6 Nge2 Bd7
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1901)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Ne5 Nf6 Qb3 Be6 Qxb7 Bd5 Qxa8 Qb6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd5 Nd2 Qc7 Ndc4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O Rg8 Nh4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7 Qe2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rhd1 Nb8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd5 Nd2 Qc7 Ndc4 f6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8 d5 Bf6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7 Qe2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rhd1 Nb8 e5 dxe5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O Rg8 Nh4 Nd5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8 d5 Bf6 Bxf6 exf6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O Rg8 Nh4 Nd5 Bd2 d6 f4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7 Qe2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rhd1 Nb8 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd5 Nd2 Qc7 Ndc4 f6 Nf3 Bf5 Nh4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8 d5 Bf6 Bxf6 exf6 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O Rg8 Nh4 Nd5 Bd2 d6 f4 Kb8 Kb1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2149)
d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 b5 cxb5 a6 bxa6 g6 Nc3 Bxa6 e4 Bxf1 Kxf1 d6 Nf3 Qc8 h3 Bg7 g3 O-O Kg2 Na6 Bg5 Qb7 Qe2 h6 Bxf6 Bxf6 Rhd1 Nb8 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nxd7 Qxd7
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd5 Nd2 Qc7 Ndc4 f6 Nf3 Bf5 Nh4 Bd7 a5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O Rg8 Nh4 Nd5 Bd2 d6 f4 Kb8 Kb1 a5 Rf1
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Nc3 Nxc3 dxc3 Nc6 Bf4 e6 h4 h6 h5 Qc7 Bd3 b6 Rh4 Bb7 Qe2 O-O-O Rg4 Ne7 O-O-O Rg8 Nh4 Nd5 Bd2 d6 f4 Kb8 Kb1 a5 Rf1 Ne7 exd6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 c3 Nf6 Be2 g6 O-O Bg7 Bb5 Nc6 Re1 O-O h3 Qb6 a4 Rd8 d3 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 e5 dxe5 Nxe5 Nd5 Nd2 Qc7 Ndc4 f6 Nf3 Bf5 Nh4 Bd7 a5 e5 d4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 d5 c4 c6 g3 e6
Transpose to wikichess #44266#
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8 d5 Bf6 Bxf6 exf6 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Qa6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8 d5 Bf6 Bxf6 exf6 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Qa6 Be2 Qd6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2297)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 Rd8 d5 Bf6 Bxf6 exf6 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Qa6 Be2 Qd6 Rxb7 a5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 O-O O-O Re1 a6
Transpose to wikichess #144630#
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2 Ne5 Bf1
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qxb5 Qd7 Nxd5 Qxd5 Qxd5 exd5 O-O Ke6 Re1 Kf5
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qxb5 Qd7 Nxd5 Qxd5 Qxd5 exd5 O-O Ke6 Re1 Kf5 Be3 Be7
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2 Ne5 Bf1 Qc7 Nb3
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2157)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qxb5 Qd7 Nxd5 Qxd5 Qxd5 exd5 O-O Ke6 Re1 Kf5 Be3 Be7 Rac1 Bf6
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 c5 d5 b5 dxe6 fxe6 cxb5 d5 Nc3 Nbd7 e4 Bb7 Ng5 Qe7 Be2 O-O-O exd5 exd5 O-O h6 Nf3 d4 Na4 Nd5 Re1 Kb8 Nd2 Ne5 Bf1 Qc7 Nb3 h5 Rxe5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O Bf2 a5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4 a5 Rb1
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O Bf2 a5 b4 d5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2221)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 h3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f4 Be7 f5 Bd7 Qf3 b5 a3 Bc6 Be3 h5 Be2 h4 O-O Nbd7 Rfe1 Rc8 Nd2 O-O Bf2 a5 b4 d5 exd5 Ba8
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Be3 Nd7 Bb5 Ne7 Bd4 a6 Bxd7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 c3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 c3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 Bg4 Qb3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 c5 dxc5 e6 Be3 Nd7 Bb5 Ne7 Bd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 c3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 c3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 Bg4 Qb3 Qc7 Ne2
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4 a5 Rb1 axb4 axb4
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4 a5 Rb1 axb4 axb4 Re8 Qd2
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4 a5 Rb1 axb4 axb4 Re8 Qd2 h6 h3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 Bg2
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3 Qb6 Kg2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nc3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
d4 d5 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 cxd4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3 Qb6 Kg2 Rfd8 b3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
Nf3 f5 g3 Nf6 c4 g6 Bg2 Bg7 Nc3 O-O d4
Transpose to wikichess #97067#
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
d4 d5 Nf3 e6 g3 c5 Bg2 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6
Transpose to wikichess #184110#
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3 Qb6 Kg2 Rfd8 b3 Rd7 Rb1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4 a5 Rb1 axb4 axb4 Re8 Qd2 h6 h3 Ne6 fxe5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8 Rfb1 Rb8
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 e4 Bb4 d3 d6 a3 Bc5 b4 Bb6 Na4 Bd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Be2 O-O O-O Bd7 Nc3 c6 f4 a5 Rb1 axb4 axb4 Re8 Qd2 h6 h3 Ne6 fxe5 dxe5 Qb2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3 Qb6 Kg2 Rfd8 b3 Rd7 Rb1 Rad8 Re1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8 Rfb1 Rb8 h3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8 Rfb1 Rb8 h3 Qc7 f4 Na4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6 Nb4 Bb7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6 Nb4 Bb7 Be6 Qf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3 Qb6 Kg2 Rfd8 b3 Rd7 Rb1 Rad8 Re1 Nd5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6 Nb4 Bb7 Be6 Qf6 d5 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6 Nb4 Bb7 Be6 Qf6 d5 Nc5 dxc6 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 c5 Ne2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 c3 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e6 Bc4 Be7 O-O O-O a4 a5 g3 Qb6 Kg2 Rfd8 b3 Rd7 Rb1 Rad8 Re1 Nd5 Bd2 g6 h4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6 Nb4 Bb7 Be6 Qf6 d5 Nc5 dxc6 Nxc6 Nd5 Qg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 c5 Ne2 Be7 Nbc3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxe4 d4 d6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 Na5 Qe2 f5 O-O c6 Nb4 Bb7 Be6 Qf6 d5 Nc5 dxc6 Nxc6 Nd5 Qg6 Nf4 Qf6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Bd3 dxe4 Bxe4 c5 Ne2 Be7 Nbc3 Nf6 Bf3
Transpose to wikichess #136692#
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8 Rfb1 Rb8 h3 Qc7 f4 Na4 Kh2 a5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bd3 e5 Nde2 Be7 O-O O-O h3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2277)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 e3 Nbd7 Be2 Bd6 b3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8 Rfb1 Rb8 h3 Qc7 f4 Na4 Kh2 a5 Re1 h6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2264)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bg2 O-O e4 Bxc3 bxc3 c6 Qb3 Na6 Ba3 d6 Ne2 Nc5 Qc2 Be6 d3 b5 cxb5 cxb5 O-O Re8 Rfb1 Rb8 h3 Qc7 f4 Na4 Kh2 a5 Re1 h6 Bc1 Rec8
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6 Qxd6 d4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
e4 c5 c3 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 d5 exd6 Qxd6 d4 cxd4 Nf3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4 Nc5 Bc7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4 Nc5 Bc7 Rd7 Be5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6 d5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4 Nc5 Bc7 Rd7 Be5 Rd8 Nb3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6 d5 Nxd5 g3 h6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6 d5 Nxd5 g3 h6 Nxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Bd3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nd7 Bf4 Qh4 g3 Qh5 O-O g5 cxd5 gxf4 dxe6 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 O-O e4 d5 e5 Ne4 Bd3 c5 Nf3 cxd4 Nxd4 Nd7 Bf4 Qh4 g3 Qh5 O-O g5 cxd5 gxf4 dxe6 Nxe5 Nxe4 fxe6
Transpose to wikichess #211634#
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6 d5 Nxd5 g3 h6 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bc4 Ne7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6 d5 Nxd5 g3 h6 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bc4 Ne7 Bxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5 exd5 Nd4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5 exd5 Nd4 Nxd2 Qxd2
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5 exd5 Nd4 Nxd2 Qxd2 Ne4 Qc1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2320)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 e3 O-O Nf3 d4 O-O-O Bxc5 exd4 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 a3 Be6 d5 Nxd5 g3 h6 Nxd5 Bxd5 Bc4 Ne7 Bxd5 Nxd5 Kb1 Qf6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4 Nc5 Bc7 Rd7 Be5 Rd8 Nb3 Na4 Rab1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4 Nc5 Bc7 Rd7 Be5 Rd8 Nb3 Na4 Rab1 b6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5 exd5 Nd4 Nxd2 Qxd2 Ne4 Qc1 Bxa3 Qxa3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Mark Lim (2016)
e4 c5 c3 d5 exd5 Qxd5 d4 g6 Na3 cxd4 Nb5 Na6 Nf3 Nf6 Qxd4 Bg7 Bc4 Qxd4 Nbxd4 O-O O-O Rd8 Re1 e6 Bf4 Nc5 Bc7 Rd7 Be5 Rd8 Nb3 Na4 Rab1 b6 Bb5 Bd7 Bf1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 a6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5 exd5 Nd4 Nxd2 Qxd2 Ne4 Qc1 Bxa3 Qxa3 f4 f3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 a6 b3 cxb3
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 e6 b3 Nbd7 Bb2 Ne4 Nbd2 f5 Be2 Bd6 O-O O-O Qc1 a5 Ba3 c5 dxc5 Ndxc5 cxd5 exd5 Nd4 Nxd2 Qxd2 Ne4 Qc1 Bxa3 Qxa3 f4 f3 Nd2 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 a6 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bb4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 a6 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bb4 Na2 Ba5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2277)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Nc6 Qa4 Nf6 Nh4 O-O Nf5 d5 Nc3 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Rxd4 Bc5 Rd3 Qe8 Be3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 a6 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bb4 Na2 Ba5 Be5 Qe7
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Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Timofey Denisov (2277)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Ba6 Qc2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bb7 Bg2 Nxd5 O-O Be7 Rd1 Nc6 Qa4 Nf6 Nh4 O-O Nf5 d5 Nc3 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Rxd4 Bc5 Rd3 Qe8 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 h5 Nxd7 Qxd7 Qc1 Rg8 Rd1 a6 b3 cxb3 axb3 Bb4 Na2 Ba5 Be5 Qe7 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 Rxb7 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 Rxb7 Rfe8 Bc5 a5
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 Rxb7 Rfe8 Bc5 a5 Bxe7 a4
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino (2261)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Bxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 Rxb7 Rfe8 Bc5 a5 Bxe7 a4 d6 Qe6
============
Contributors : Massimiliano Massimini Gerbino
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3 Bf5 e3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3 Bf5 e3 e6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3 Bf5 e3 e6 Nd2 Nbd7 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3 Bf5 e3 e6 Nd2 Nbd7 Ngf3 Be7 g3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3 Bf5 e3 e6 Nd2 Nbd7 Ngf3 Be7 g3 h6 Bg2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 a3 Bf5 e3 e6 Nd2 Nbd7 Ngf3 Be7 g3 h6 Bg2 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Qc7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 a6 c4 Qc7 Nc3 e6
Transpose to wikichess #94619#
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Bg5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O Nf6 Re1 O-O d3 d6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 b4 Be7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 b4 Be7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 O-O
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 e4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
g3 c5 Bg2 Nc6 c4
Transpose to wikichess #50053#
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 e4 Bg6 h4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 Qc7 e4 Bg6 h4 Nf6 e5 Ne4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 e5 f4 exf4 Nf3 d6 d4 g5 Qd3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Bc8 Nf3 e6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Bc8 Nf3 e6 Ne5 Nc6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 cxd5 cxd5 Qb3 Bc8 Nf3 e6 Ne5 Nc6 f4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1 a6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 Nbc6 Qa4 Ne5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1 a6 Qc2 Qd7 Ne1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 Nbc6 Qa4 Ne5 Bd4 Ng6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1 a6 Qc2 Qd7 Ne1 Ne7 Qxc7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1 a6 Qc2 Qd7 Ne1 Ne7 Qxc7 Bxg2 Qxd7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1 a6 Qc2 Qd7 Ne1 Ne7 Qxc7 Bxg2 Qxd7 Nxd7 Kxg2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 a3 Bxd2 Bxd2 Nc6 e3 Rb8 O-O b5 b3 cxb3 Qxb3 Bb7 Rfc1 a6 Qc2 Qd7 Ne1 Ne7 Qxc7 Bxg2 Qxd7 Nxd7 Kxg2 Rfc8 Nd3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1938)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bh4 c5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 Nxd5 dxc5 Qa5 e4 Ne7 Be3 O-O Qb3 Qc7 Bb5 Nec6 Ne2 Na5 Qb4 Nbc6 Qa4 Ne5 Bd4 Ng6 O-O e5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nf3 d5 h3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nf3 d5 h3 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nf3 d5 h3 c5 dxc5 dxc4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Bd2 O-O Nf3 d5 h3 c5 dxc5 dxc4 Qc2 Bxc5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Kazimierz Suwara (1938)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 c6 f3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Taras Nimylovych (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 c6 f3 b5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Kazimierz Suwara (1938)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 c6 f3 b5 O-O-O
Transpose to wikichess #192323#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Bb4 O-O Nxc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 c6 Bxc4 e6 Nf3 h6 Nc3 Ne7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
d4 Nf6 h3 d5 e3 e6 a3
Transpose to wikichess #214198#
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3 O-O-O a3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3 O-O-O a3 Nbxd5 Qc2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 c6 Bxc4 e6 Nf3 h6 Nc3 Ne7 h4 g6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3 O-O-O a3 Nbxd5 Qc2 Qa6 b4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3 O-O-O a3 Nbxd5 Qc2 Qa6 b4 Qd3 Ra2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3 O-O-O a3 Nbxd5 Qc2 Qa6 b4 Qd3 Ra2 Be6 Rb2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 c6 Bxc4 e6 Nf3 h6 Nc3 Ne7 h4 g6 Bb3 Bg7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 O-O Bg4 Qc2 Na6 cxd5 c5 h3 Nb4 Qb3 Bd7 Ne2 h5 Nbc3 O-O-O a3 Nbxd5 Qc2 Qa6 b4 Qd3 Ra2 Be6 Rb2 Nxc3 Qxd3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Bb4 O-O Nxc3 bxc3 Bxc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Mark Lim (2042)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 c6 Bxc4 e6 Nf3 h6 Nc3 Ne7 h4 g6 Bb3 Bg7 Bf4 Nd7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3 Kf1 Nd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7 Bg5 Qh8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7 O-O b6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7 Bg5 Qh8 Qxh8 Rxh8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3 Kf1 Nd7 Bb2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Nc5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6 g4 Nb6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3 Kf1 Nd7 Bb2 Qc7 Re1 Rc8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Nc5 Na1 a5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6 g4 Nb6 a4 d5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3 Kf1 Nd7 Bb2 Qc7 Re1 Rc8 Nxd4 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Nc5 Na1 a5 Nc2 Qd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bxe6 Nc5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7 Bg5 Qh8 Qxh8 Rxh8 Nxc3 a6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3 Kf1 Nd7 Bb2 Qc7 Re1 Rc8 Nxd4 Nxe5 Nxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Qc7 Rd1 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Nc5 Na1 a5 Nc2 Qd7 b3 Rae8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bxe6 Nc5 Bf5 g6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 Bg7 f3 Nbd7 Qd2 a6 g4 Nb6 a4 d5 e5 Nfd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Ba4 Bc5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qa5 Rb1 b6 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Ba6 Nf3 Bxd3 Qxd3 Qxc3 Kf1 Nd7 Bb2 Qc7 Re1 Rc8 Nxd4 Nxe5 Nxe6 fxe6 Bxe5 Qxc2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7 Bg5 Qh8 Qxh8 Rxh8 Nxc3 a6 f3 f6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne4 c5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bxe6 Nc5 Bf5 g6 Bh3 Nfxe4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7 Bg5 Qh8 Qxh8 Rxh8 Nxc3 a6 f3 f6 Bd2 Kf7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bxe6 Nc5 Bf5 g6 Bh3 Nfxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ne7 Qg4 cxd4 Bd3 Qc7 Ne2 dxc3 Qxg7 Rg8 Qxh7 Qxe5 Bf4 Qf6 h4 Nd7 Bg5 Qh8 Qxh8 Rxh8 Nxc3 a6 f3 f6 Bd2 Kf7 Kf2 e5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 d6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne4 c5 Rad1 Kc7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bxe6 Nc5 Bf5 g6 Bh3 Nfxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qd4 Qc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Ng4 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 O-O Bg7 c3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Taras Nimylovych (2051)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Be7 fxe6 Bxe6 Nxe6 fxe6 Bc4 Nbd7 Bxe6 Nc5 Bf5 g6 Bh3 Nfxe4 Nxe4 Nxe4 Qd4 Qc3 Qxc3 Nxc3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne4 c5 Rad1 Kc7 c3 dxc3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e5 Ng8 Bf4 d5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e5 Ng8 Bf4 d5 exd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 e5 Ng8 Bf4 d5 exd6 Bxd6 Nxe6 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 h5 c3 Qf6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nge7 a4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Ng4 Be7 Nc3 d5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne4 c5 Rad1 Kc7 c3 dxc3 Bxc3 a5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Ba4 Bc5 d3 Qg6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 O-O Bg7 c3 Nge7 a4 Bb7 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Ba4 Bc5 d3 Qg6 O-O Nge7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Ng4 Be7 Nc3 d5 Be3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 h5 c3 Qf6 d4 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne4 c5 Rad1 Kc7 c3 dxc3 Bxc3 a5 f4 a4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 d6 Ng4 Be7 Nc3 d5 Be3 Nbd7 O-O c6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 h5 c3 Qf6 d4 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Ba4 Bc5 d3 Qg6 O-O Nge7 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2113)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Bd7 h3 h6 b3 c5 Bb2 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Ne4 c5 Rad1 Kc7 c3 dxc3 Bxc3 a5 f4 a4 Nd6 Bxd6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Ba4 Bc5 d3 Qg6 O-O Nge7 Nc3 O-O a3 a6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1955)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Qf6 Ba4 Bc5 d3 Qg6 O-O Nge7 Nc3 O-O a3 a6 Bxc6 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Be7 Bb5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 exd5 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Be7 Bb5 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
a3 Nf6 d4
Transpose to wikichess #134716#
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 Nxe4 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Qf6 Nc4 fxe4 Nc3 Qg6 d3 Bb4 Bd2 Nf6 Nxe4 Bxd2 Qxd2 d5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 b6 a3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 e6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 e6 Ne5 Bb4
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 e6 Ne5 Bb4 e4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Maksim Serov (2219)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 b6 a3 Be7
Transpose to wikichess #131170#
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Bf5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc3 Qa5 Bd2 e6 Ne5 Bb4 e4 Bg6 h4 h5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
c4 e5 g3 d5 cxd5 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #19085#
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 Nc3 Nf6 b3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 g6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 Nc6 exd6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 Nc3 Nf6 b3 O-O Bb2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Maksim Serov (2219)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bd2 Be7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3 Ne7 Bg2
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 Nc3 Nf6 b3 O-O Bb2 c5 Be2
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 Nc3 Nf6 b3 O-O Bb2 c5 Be2 d4 exd4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O g3 Kb8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
f4 d5 Nf3 g6 e3 Bg7 Nc3 Nf6 b3 O-O Bb2 c5 Be2 d4 exd4 cxd4 Nb5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O g3 Kb8 a3 a6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O g3 Kb8 a3 a6 Rad1 Nf6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O g3 Kb8 a3 a6 Rad1 Nf6 Qg5 Rhg8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a3 e5 Nf5 d5 Bg5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a3 e5 Nf5 d5 Bg5 d4 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O g3 Kb8 a3 a6 Rad1 Nf6 Qg5 Rhg8 Ba5 b6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 g6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 Nc6 exd6 Qxd6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Be3 Bd7 Bd3 Nd5 Bd2 c5 O-O cxd4 Nxd4 Bd6 Re1 Qc7 Qh5 O-O-O g3 Kb8 a3 a6 Rad1 Nf6 Qg5 Rhg8 Ba5 b6 Bb4 Bc8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 g6 Bc4 Nb6 Bb3 Nc6 exd6 Qxd6 Nc3 Bg7 Ne4
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 Nbd2 a5 O-O O-O h3 Be6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 Nc6 Ngf3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 d6 Nbd2 a5 O-O O-O h3 Be6 Bb5 Ba7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 Nc6 Ngf3 a5 a3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 Nc6 Ngf3 a5 a3 Bxd2 Qxd2
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2000)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 Nc6 Ngf3 a5 a3 Bxd2 Qxd2 a4 Qc2
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Maksim Serov (2219)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 Be7 e3 h6 Bh4 c6 Qc2 O-O
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2219)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nf3 Nf6 g3 Bb4 Bd2 Be7 Qc2 O-O Bg2
Transpose to wikichess #188258#
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3 Ne7 Bg2 O-O e4
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3 Ne7 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 d3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3 Ne7 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 d3 Na6 b4
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Radim Sury (2000)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 Nxe5 Nf6 Bc4 Qe7 d4 Nc6 O-O fxe4 Bf4 d5 Bb3 Be6 c4 dxc4
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Maksim Serov (2219)
c4 e5 a3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 g3 Ne7 Bg2 O-O e4 d6 d3 Na6 b4 c6 Nge2
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O b4 Re8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O b4 Re8 Nxg6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O b4 Re8 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Nf8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O b4 Re8 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Nf8 Be3 Nd5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O b4 Re8 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Nf8 Be3 Nd5 g3 a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4 Bb6 a4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 c5 Bc7 Nh4 Bg6 Bg5 O-O b4 Re8 Nxg6 hxg6 Qb3 Nf8 Be3 Nd5 g3 a6 a4 Nh7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4 Bb6 a4 Bf5 a5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4 Bb6 a4 Bf5 a5 Bxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5 Nxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4 Bb6 a4 Bf5 a5 Bxd4 Qxd4 N7c6 Qa4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4 Bb6 a4 Bf5 a5 Bxd4 Qxd4 N7c6 Qa4 a6 Rfe1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Be3 Qf6 c3 Nge7 Bc4 Ne5 Be2 Qg6 O-O d6 f3 O-O Nd2 d5 Kh1 dxe4 Nxe4 Bb6 a4 Bf5 a5 Bxd4 Qxd4 N7c6 Qa4 a6 Rfe1 Bxe4 Qxe4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 Rad1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6 Ng3 c6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4 Qd2 c6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6 Ng3 c6 Bxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4 Qd2 c6 Ne2 a5
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 d5 c3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 d5 c3 c4 Bc2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 d5 c3 c4 Bc2 Qb6 d4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 d5 c3 c4 Bc2 Qb6 d4 dxe4 Bxe4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 Rad1 O-O a4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bg2 Qb6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 d5 c3 c4 Bc2 Qb6 d4 dxe4 Bxe4 Rb8 Ne5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 Bb5 Nd4 Bc4 Nh6 d3 e6 O-O O-O h3 b6 Nb5 Nxb5 Bxb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 d5 c3 c4 Bc2 Qb6 d4 dxe4 Bxe4 Rb8 Ne5 Nf5 Qe1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bg2 Qb6 b4 Ne4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6 Ng3 c6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nh2 Qe7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4 Qd2 c6 Ne2 a5 Neg3 Kh7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bg2 Qb6 b4 Ne4 Qd4 Rb8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2158)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 a6 Ne2 Be7 c3 O-O dxc5 f6 exf6 Nxf6 g3 Ne4 Ned4 Bxc5 Nxc6 bxc6 Bxc5 Nxc5 Bg2 Qb6 b4 Ne4 Qd4 Rb8 Qxb6 Rxb6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4 Qd2 c6 Ne2 a5 Neg3 Kh7 d4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6 Ng3 c6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nh2 Qe7 Qe2 Rf7
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4 Qd2 c6 Ne2 a5 Neg3 Kh7 d4 Bxc4 bxc4 g6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 Rad1 O-O a4 Qc8 Kh1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6 Ng3 c6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nh2 Qe7 Qe2 Rf7 Nh5 Ref8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Nh4 Qd8 Nf5 Nb4 Qd2 c6 Ne2 a5 Neg3 Kh7 d4 Bxc4 bxc4 g6 Qf2 Ng8
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Taras Nimylovych (2227)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 d3 d6 a4 Nf6 Nc3 O-O O-O h6 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 Be6 b3 Qd7 h3 Rae8 Rf2 Ne7 Ne2 Ng6 Ng3 c6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nh2 Qe7 Qe2 Rf7 Nh5 Ref8 Nxf6 Rxf6
============
Contributors : Taras Nimylovych
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 Rad1 O-O a4 Qc8 Kh1 Re8 c3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Ne7 Bd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Ne7 Bd3 Rc8 Qd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 Rad1 O-O a4 Qc8 Kh1 Re8 c3 Rb8 Bg5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2322)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 Rad1 O-O a4 Qc8 Kh1 Re8 c3 Rb8 Bg5 Qb7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Ne7 Bd3 Rc8 Qd2 a6 O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5 Be3 Be7
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O Nxe6 Bxe6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5 Be3 Be7 Rd2 h4
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Contributors : Radim Sury
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Ne7 Bd3 Rc8 Qd2 a6 O-O Bb5 Bc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O Nxe6 Bxe6 Qf3 f4
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5 Be3 Be7 Rd2 h4 Rad1 a6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Ne7 Bd3 Rc8 Qd2 a6 O-O Bb5 Bc5 b6 Bxe7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O Nxe6 Bxe6 Qf3 f4 b3 Rad8
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4
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Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5 Be3 Be7 Rd2 h4 Rad1 a6 f4 Bf5
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3
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Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O Nxe6 Bxe6 Qf3 f4 b3 Rad8 c4 Rd7
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5 Be3 Be7 Rd2 h4 Rad1 a6 f4 Bf5 Nd4 Be4
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Timofey Denisov (2270)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Bb4 e5 c5 a3 Ba5 b4 cxd4 Nb5 Bc7 f4 Bd7 Nxc7 Qxc7 Bb2 Ba4 Ne2 Nc6 Nxd4 Nxd4 Bxd4 Ne7 Bd3 Rc8 Qd2 a6 O-O Bb5 Bc5 b6 Bxe7 Qxe7 f5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3 Qb6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 Nd6 Bxc6 dxc6 dxe5 Nf5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nc3 Be7 h3 Nh4 Nxh4 Bxh4 Rd1 Ke8 Ne2 h5 Be3 Be7 Rd2 h4 Rad1 a6 f4 Bf5 Nd4 Be4 Nb3 b6
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O Nxe6 Bxe6 Qf3 f4 b3 Rad8 c4 Rd7 h3 Qd8
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3 Qb6 Qc2 O-O Nf3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 Nc5 Nc3 Be7 Nd5 f6 Bxc6 dxc6 Nxe7 Qxe7 d4 Ne6 dxe5 f5 Nd4 O-O Nxe6 Bxe6 Qf3 f4 b3 Rad8 c4 Rd7 h3 Qd8 Ba3 Rd3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3 Qb6 Qc2 O-O Nf3 Bd7 Nb1
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3 Qb6 Qc2 O-O Nf3 Bd7 Nb1 c5 Be2
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3 Qb6 Qc2 O-O Nf3 Bd7 Nb1 c5 Be2 Rfc8 Nbd2
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7 f4 Qc7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7 f4 Qc7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7 f4 Qc7 O-O O-O Qe1 d6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Radim Sury (2077)
d4 Nf6 Nc3 d5 Bf4 e6 Nb5 Na6 e3 Bb4 c3 Be7 a4 c6 Na3 Qb6 Qc2 O-O Nf3 Bd7 Nb1 c5 Be2 Rfc8 Nbd2 Nb8 h3
============
Contributors : Radim Sury
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7 f4 Qc7 O-O O-O Qe1 d6 Qh4 b5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7 f4 Qc7 O-O O-O Qe1 d6 Qh4 b5 Kh1 Rb8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4 O-O Nxd3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh4 Bg6 g3 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 Rb1 e5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Qc6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Nb3 g6 Be3 Qb4 N1d2 Nf6 c3 Qd6 Be2 Bg7 f4 Qc7 O-O O-O Qe1 d6 Qh4 b5 Kh1 Rb8 Nd4 Nd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh4 Bg6 g3 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 Rb1 e5 d5 Qe7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Qc6 Rac1 Qd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh4 Bg6 g3 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 Rb1 e5 d5 Qe7 a3 cxd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Qc6 Rac1 Qd5 a3 Rd8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh4 Bg6 g3 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 Rb1 e5 d5 Qe7 a3 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh4 Bg6 g3 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 Rb1 e5 d5 Qe7 a3 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4 Qd3 Bxb2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 Nf6 e5 Nd5 d4 d6 Nf3 dxe5 Nxe5 c6 Be2 Bf5 O-O Nd7 Nf3 e6 c4 N5f6 Nc3 Bd6 Nh4 Bg6 g3 O-O Nxg6 hxg6 Rb1 e5 d5 Qe7 a3 cxd5 Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf6 Qd2 Bc5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Qc6 Rac1 Qd5 a3 Rd8 Rfe1 h6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 dxe4 Nxe4 Nd7 Nf3 Ngf6 Nxf6 Nxf6 Bd3 c5 dxc5 Bxc5 Bf4 O-O Qe2 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Qe4 f5 Qe2 Nb4 O-O Nxd3 cxd3 Qc6 Rac1 Qd5 a3 Rd8 Rfe1 h6 h4 b6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4 Qd3 Bxb2 Bxf7 Kxf7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3
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Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4 Qd3 Bxb2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 Kg6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Ne5 Bb7 Be2 Nbd7 O-O
Transpose to wikichess #6579#
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Contributors : George Dimitrov
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3
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Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4 Qd3 Bxb2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 Kg6 Qxb2 Ng4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2
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Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4 Qd3 Bxb2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 Kg6 Qxb2 Ng4 h3 Nxe3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 b4 d4 d6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qe2 Bc5 Be3 Bd4 Qd3 Bxb2 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 Kg6 Qxb2 Ng4 h3 Nxe3 Rxe3 Qd1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O
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Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4
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Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4 dxc4 Qxc4
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4 dxc4 Qxc4 Qxc4 Bxc4
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4 dxc4 Qxc4 Qxc4 Bxc4 Ne4 Bb2
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4 dxc4 Qxc4 Qxc4 Bxc4 Ne4 Bb2 Bg4 Rfe1
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Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4 dxc4 Qxc4 Qxc4 Bxc4 Ne4 Bb2 Bg4 Rfe1 Nc5 Rad1
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Hans Joachim Glatzel (2419)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nf3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 Be2 Qc7 cxd5 exd5 dxc5 Qxc5 O-O Rd8 c4 Nc6 Qa4 dxc4 Qxc4 Qxc4 Bxc4 Ne4 Bb2 Bg4 Rfe1 Nc5 Rad1 Rac8 Rxd8
============
Contributors : Hans Joachim Glatzel
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 d4 Bc4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 gxf6 Bxf6 Na5 Qe8 Kb1 Kh8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 gxf6 Bxf6 Na5 Qe8 Kb1 Kh8 Nc6 Bd8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Bg6 h4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 Be7 Qd2 O-O O-O-O Nbd7 g4 b5 g5 Nh5 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 f6 gxf6 Bxf6 Na5 Qe8 Kb1 Kh8 Nc6 Bd8 Nxd8 Rxd8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bf4 Bd6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 d4 Bc4 Ne7 c3
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4
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Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Bg6 h4 f6 e4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Bd7 Bf4 Bd6 Bd2 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2 g6 d5 Nb8 c4 c6 b3 Nbd7 Nf1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4 Nc7 Kd8
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Simone Toro (1145)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 f6 Bb5
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1145)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 f6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1145)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 f6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1145)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 f6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bf5 d3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 d4 Bc4 Ne7 c3 Nc6 f4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Simone Toro (1145)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 f6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bf5 d3 e6 Re1
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Simone Toro (1145)
f4 d5 Nf3 Nc6 e3 f6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 O-O Bf5 d3 e6 Re1 Bd6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2 g6 d5 Nb8 c4 c6 b3 Nbd7 Nf1 a5 Be3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6 Bxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 d5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 d4 Bc4 Ne7 c3 Nc6 f4 Bc5 Qh5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2 g6 d5 Nb8 c4 c6 b3 Nbd7 Nf1 a5 Be3 a4 Qe2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 Bc2 g6 d5 Nb8 c4 c6 b3 Nbd7 Nf1 a5 Be3 a4 Qe2 Qa5 Rab1
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Bg6 h4 f6 e4 Nb6 h5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Rxd8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Rxd8 f3 e4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4 Nc7 Kd8 Nxa8 b5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
Raimo Koivuniemi (2211)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 g5 Bg3 Qe7 Nd2 Nbd7 Bd3 Nxd5 Nc4 Nf4 Ne2 Nxg2 Kf1 Nf4 Bxf4 gxf4 Nxf4 Rg8 Nd5 Qh4 Nc7 Kd8 Nxa8 b5 Ne3 Ne5
============
Contributors : Raimo Koivuniemi
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Rxd8 f3 e4 fxe4 h5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Rxd8 f3 e4 fxe4 h5 Rf1 Nd7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 Ng4 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Bg7 h3 Ne5 Nf5 Bxf5 exf5 Nbd7 Be2 Nf6 Bxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Rxd8 f3 e4 fxe4 h5 Rf1 Nd7 Nd5 Bxb2
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Kazimierz Suwara (1958)
d4 d5 c4 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 Nf3 Bf5 Nbd2 Bg6 h4 f6 e4 Nb6 h5 Bf7 Nb3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Simone Toro (1145)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 Re1 f5 d3 Nf6 Nxe5 b5 Nxc6
============
Contributors : Simone Toro
Kazimierz Suwara (1956)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 e5 Nf3 exd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1956)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bc4 dxc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1956)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 f3 d5 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 c5 cxd5 exd5 e3 c4 g4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1956)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bc4 dxc3 Qxd8 Kxd8
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (1971)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 c4 a6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1956)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Bb4 Bd2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 Nd2 Rfb8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Bb7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 Nd2 Rfb8 Rab1 Qe6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Bb7 Nbd2 Nf4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8 Qe2 Ba6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 c4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Bb7 Nbd2 Nf4 Bc4 Ra8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 Nd2 Rfb8 Rab1 Qe6 Qe2 Nd7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 c4 exd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Bb7 Nbd2 Nf4 Bc4 Ra8 Rxa8 Qxa8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 Nd2 Rfb8 Rab1 Qe6 Qe2 Nd7 Nf3 Bb6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O b5 Bb3 Bc5 c3 d6 a4 Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Na5 Bc2 b4 d3 O-O Bg5 h6 Bh4 Qe7 Nd2 Rfb8 Rab1 Qe6 Qe2 Nd7 Nf3 Bb6 d4 c5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O a4 Rb8 axb5 axb5 c3 d6 h3 b4 d3 bxc3 bxc3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Qc2 Bb7 Nbd2 Nf4 Bc4 Ra8 Rxa8 Qxa8 Ne4 Ng6
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 c4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2181)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a3 h6 Bc2 Nb8 b4 Nbd7 Bb2 c6 c4 exd4 Nxd4 c5 Nf5 g6 Ng3
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8 Qe2 Ba6 fxg6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 d3 Bc5 Bxc6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8 Qe2 Ba6 fxg6 hxg6 Ng5 Nf8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8 Qe2 Ba6 fxg6 hxg6 Ng5 Nf8 a4 Bh6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6 Bc4 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8 Qe2 Ba6 fxg6 hxg6 Ng5 Nf8 a4 Bh6 h4 Bc8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6 Bc4 Nbd7 Rd1 Re8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Be3 c6 h3 Nbd7 f4 b5 a3 e5 Nf3 Qc7 Qd2 Bg7 dxe5 dxe5 g4 a5 Bd3 O-O f5 Rd8 Qe2 Ba6 fxg6 hxg6 Ng5 Nf8 a4 Bh6 h4 Bc8 Rf1 Bg7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6 Bc4 Nbd7 Rd1 Re8 Ng3 Nb6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 d4 e4 Nc3
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Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6 g4 Be6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6 Bc4 Nbd7 Rd1 Re8 Ng3 Nb6 Ba2 Be6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5 Nb8 d5
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Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6 g4 Be6 hxg6 Qd7
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Jaimie Wilson (1971)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bf5 Nc3 e6 Nh4 Bg6 Nxg6 hxg6 h3 Nbd7 Bd3 Bd6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5 Nb8 d5 a5 Bd2
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Be6 Nbd2 Bd6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6 g4 Be6 hxg6 Qd7 g5 fxg5
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5 Nb8 d5 a5 Bd2 b6 b3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Be6 Nbd2 Bd6 Bxe6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6 g4 Be6 hxg6 Qd7 g5 fxg5 Qh5 Qg7
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 e5 Nf3 exd4 Bxc4 Nc6 O-O Be6 Nbd2 Bd6 Bxe6 fxe6 Qb3 Qd7
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5 Nb8 d5 a5 Bd2 b6 b3 Na6 Ne1
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Re8 Rad1 Qe7
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 e3 Bf5 Qf3 Bg6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2303)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 Nbd7 a4 e6 Be3 Qc7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6 Bc4 Nbd7 Rd1 Re8 Ng3 Nb6 Ba2 Be6 Ne1 Bxa2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6 g4 Be6 hxg6 Qd7 g5 fxg5 Qh5 Qg7 Qxg5 c6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Re8 Rad1 Qe7 Rde1 a5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 Qe7 Qc2 a5 a4 Nb8 h3 Rd8 Re1 h6 Nf1 c6 Bc4 Nbd7 Rd1 Re8 Ng3 Nb6 Ba2 Be6 Ne1 Bxa2 Rxa2 Qe6
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Re8 Rad1 Qe7 Rde1 a5 Nc1 Rac8
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5 Nb8 d5 a5 Bd2 b6 b3 Na6 Ne1 Nc5 Bf3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Nb6 O-O Be7 d3 O-O a4
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Rb1
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
George Dimitrov (2257)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e5 Nb3 Be6 f3 h5 Qd2 Nbd7 Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 g6 Be2 Bg7 O-O b6 c4 O-O Kh1 Re8 Rad1 Qe7 Rde1 a5 Nc1 Rac8 b3 Nc5
============
Contributors : George Dimitrov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Re1 Nbd7 Qc2 Re8 Rd1 Qe7 Nb5 Nb8 d5 a5 Bd2 b6 b3 Na6 Ne1 Nc5 Bf3 Nh7 Nd3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 e3 Bf5 Qf3 Bg6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7 Nh4 Be7
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 e5 O-O h6 Rb1 a5 Re1
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 Nc2 Nf6 Nc3 Qe5 Bg2 Na6 O-O Be7 Ne3
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Maksim Serov (2043)
d4 f5 e4 fxe4 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 g6 h4 d5 h5 Bf5 Bxf6 exf6 g4 Be6 hxg6 Qd7 g5 fxg5 Qh5 Qg7 Qxg5 c6 f3 hxg6
============
Contributors : Maksim Serov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2303)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 O-O h3 Bb7 d3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxe5 Nd4 Nc3 Nb4 Ne4 Nxb3 axb3 f6 Nf3 h6 d4 f5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (1900)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 Ba6
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1900)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 b6 g3 Bb7 Bg2 c5 d5 exd5 cxd5 d6 e4 Ba6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Timofey Denisov (2277)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Be7 Re1 b5 Bb3 d6 c3 O-O h3 Bb7 d4 Re8 Nbd2 Bf8 a4 h6 Bc2 exd4 cxd4 Nb4 Bb1 c5 d5 Nd7 Ra3 c4 R1e3 Nc5 Nd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kim Walton (1900)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Be3 e6 f3 b5 Qd2 b4 Na4
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1900)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1900)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 Nf6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1900)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Qe5 Bg2
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1900)
c4 e5 g3 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 d5 cxd5 Qxd5 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Qe5 Bg2 Bc5 d3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1900)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 e3 O-O Nge2 d5 a3 Be7 cxd5 exd5 Nf4 c6 Bd3 a5
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2303)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rb3 Qc5 Be3 Qe5 Bf4 Qc5 Kh1 d5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (1972)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 a4
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1972)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 a4 a6 d3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2303)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bg5 e6 f4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 f5 Nc6 fxe6 fxe6 Nxc6 bxc6 Be2 Be7 O-O O-O Rb3 Qc5 Be3 Qe5 Bf4 Qc5 Kh1 d5 e5 Nd7
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (1972)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 a4 a6 d3 d6 g3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1972)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 a4 a6 d3 d6 g3 Rb8 Bg2
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (1972)
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 f4 g6 Nf3 Bg7 a4 a6 d3 d6 g3 Rb8 Bg2 Nf6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Jaimie Wilson (1993)
c4 e5 Nc3 Bb4 Nd5 Be7 d4 exd4 Qxd4 Nf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Bg5 Nc6 Qc3 d6 Bxf6 Qxf6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1993)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Nd5 e4 Nh4 d6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1993)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Nd5 e4 Nh4 d6 Nxb4 Nxb4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1993)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Nd5 e4 Nh4 d6 Nxb4 Nxb4 a3 Nc6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (1993)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Bb4 Nd5 e4 Nh4 d6 Nxb4 Nxb4 a3 Nc6 d3 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 c3 Be7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 c3 Be7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d6 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Bb4 c3 Be7 Nxc6 bxc6 Bd3 d6 O-O Nf6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 exd4 e5 fxe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 exd4 e5 fxe5 Re1 Bg4
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bh5 g6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 dxe4 dxe4 a5 a4 Qe7
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bh5 g6 Be2 d6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O f6 d4 exd4 e5 fxe5 Re1 Bg4 Rxe5 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bh5 g6 Be2 d6 Nc4 d5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5 Be2 Rfe8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5 Be2 Rfe8 f3 Rad8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 f5 d4 fxe4 Nxe5 Nf6 Be2 Be7 Bh5 g6 Be2 d6 Nc4 d5 Ne5 c5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5 Be2 Rfe8 f3 Rad8 g3 h5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Bd2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Bd2 c6 c4
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5 Be2 Rfe8 f3 Rad8 g3 h5 h4 Ne6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Bd2 c6 c4 Ne7 Bc3
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5 Be2 Rfe8 f3 Rad8 g3 h5 h4 Ne6 Bf2 a6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Bd2 c6 c4 Ne7 Bc3 Be6 O-O-O
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2276)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 O-O Be2 Na6 O-O e5 Re1 Bg4 Be3 Bxf3 Bxf3 exd4 Bxd4 c6 Qc2 Nc5 Rad1 Qa5 Be2 Rfe8 f3 Rad8 g3 h5 h4 Ne6 Bf2 a6 a3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Bd2 c6 c4 Ne7 Bc3 Be6 O-O-O Nf5 Be2
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timothy Cookson (2236)
c4 e5 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Nc3 Bb4 Qb3 Nxd4 exd4 a5 a3 Bxc3 dxc3 a4 Qb5 O-O Qg5 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Qxd8 Rxd8 Bd2 c6 c4 Ne7 Bc3 Be6 O-O-O Nf5 Be2 Nh4 Rhg1
============
Contributors : Timothy Cookson
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3 b4 Na4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3 b4 Na4 Qc7 g5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3 b4 Na4 Qc7 g5 Nh5 Bh2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 d4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3 b4 Na4 Qc7 g5 Nh5 Bh2 Rfe8 b3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 d4 exd4 Nxd4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Na5 a4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1946)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 b5 Bb3 g6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Na5 a4 b4 Bd5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3 b4 Na4 Qc7 g5 Nh5 Bh2 Rfe8 b3 Bf8 Be2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1923)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1923)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1923)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Ng8
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1923)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Ndb5 d6 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Ne7 a4
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1923)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Ng8 Bf4 Nh6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2276)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 Be6 f3 a6 g4 b5 h4 c5 Qe3 b4 Na4 Qc7 g5 Nh5 Bh2 Rfe8 b3 Bf8 Be2 Qc6 Qf2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 c4 f5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1923)
e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 g6 Nf3 Bg7 h3 Nbd7 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Ng8 Bf4 Nh6 Qd2 Nb6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 d3 Be7 O-O O-O h3 d6 a4 Na5 Ba2 c5 c3
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 e6 Nf3 Bxc5 Nc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 c4 f5 O-O Nf6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 c4 f5 O-O Nf6 Nc3 Be7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 c4 f5 O-O Nf6 Nc3 Be7 d3 O-O
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 c4 f5 O-O Nf6 Nc3 Be7 d3 O-O a3 d6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 c5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 e5 c4 f5 O-O Nf6 Nc3 Be7 d3 O-O a3 d6 e3 a5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 f4 d5 exd5 Nf6 Bc4 Nxd5 d4 Nc6 dxc5 e6 Nf3 Bxc5 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Nc3 a6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a3 Nc6 Bc4 e6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a3 Nc6 Bc4 e6 Ba2 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 e6
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2 d3 Nbd7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 e6 d3 Be7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 e6 d3 Be7 a4 O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 h3 e6 d3 Be7 a4 O-O O-O Bd7
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1906)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 a3 Nc6 Bc4 e6 Ba2 Be7 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2 Ke7 a4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2 d3 Nbd7 e4 c4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5 O-O-O g3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2 d3 Nbd7 e4 c4 dxc4 Nxe4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2 Ke7 a4 a5 b3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5 O-O-O g3 h5 Ra3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2 d3 Nbd7 e4 c4 dxc4 Nxe4 Rb2 Rxb2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2 Ke7 a4 a5 b3 Bc5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5 O-O-O g3 h5 Ra3 Ne8 Rb3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2 Ke7 a4 a5 b3 Bc5 Nf3 Bd6 Ng5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2 d3 Nbd7 e4 c4 dxc4 Nxe4 Rb2 Rxb2 Bxb2 Qc7
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2 Ke7 a4 a5 b3 Bc5 Nf3 Bd6 Ng5 Rf8 Re1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5 O-O-O g3 h5 Ra3 Ne8 Rb3 Qf6 Qe3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
Nf3 Nf6 g3 b5 Bg2 Bb7 Na3 a6 c4 e5 O-O Bxa3 bxa3 d6 Rb1 c5 cxb5 axb5 a4 O-O axb5 Rxa2 d3 Nbd7 e4 c4 dxc4 Nxe4 Rb2 Rxb2 Bxb2 Qc7 Qc2 f5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5 O-O-O g3 h5 Ra3 Ne8 Rb3 Qf6 Qe3 Qh6 Qxh6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2055)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 O-O d6 c3 Nf6 d4 Bb6 dxe5 Nxe5 Nxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2 Ke7 a4 a5 b3 Bc5 Nf3 Bd6 Ng5 Rf8 Re1 h6 Nf3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bb4 Qb3 a5 O-O O-O Na4 Re8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 Nd4 Bg2 Nxf3 Bxf3 Bb4 Qb3 a5 O-O O-O Na4 Re8 d3 h6
Transpose to wikichess #207852#
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2055)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 Nf3 Be7 a4 Bg4 Be2 Bxf3 Bb5 Nd7 Qxf3 a6 Be2 Bg5 Bxg5 Qxg5 Nd2 Ngf6 h4 Qg6 a5 O-O-O g3 h5 Ra3 Ne8 Rb3 Qf6 Qe3 Qh6 Qxh6 Rxh6 Bf1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 a4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1788)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1788)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 c3
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 a4 Nd2 Nd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1788)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 c3 Bc5 Nf3
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1788)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bxf6 Qxf6 c3 Bc5 Nf3 g5 Qd5
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4 Ne7 Ne1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 a4 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4 Ne7 Ne1 Bxd3 Nxd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4 Ne7 Ne1 Bxd3 Nxd3 h5 gxh5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 a4 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb1 Qg4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4 Ne7 Ne1 Bxd3 Nxd3 h5 gxh5 g6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2273)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Re1 Qa3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4 Ne7 Ne1 Bxd3 Nxd3 h5 gxh5 g6 hxg6 Nxg6 Nd2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 a4 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb1 Qg4 Nc4 Qxe2
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Timofey Denisov (2273)
e4 c6 d4 d5 e5 Bf5 Nf3 e6 Be2 Nd7 O-O Ne7 c3 h6 Nbd2 a5 a4 Bh7 Nb3 Nf5 Bd3 Qb6 Kh1 Bg6 g4 Ne7 Ne1 Bxd3 Nxd3 h5 gxh5 g6 hxg6 Nxg6 Nd2 Be7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2273)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Re1 Qa3 Rb7 h5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2273)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Rxb7 a5 Rxe7 a4 Re1 Qa3 Rb7 h5 Nxe5 Bxe5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 a4 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb1 Qg4 Nc4 Qxe2 Rce1 Qg4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6 Nc4 Nbd7
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8 b4 Na6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6 Nc4 Nbd7 Be2 b5
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8 b4 Na6 f4 d6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8 b4 Na6 f4 d6 Bc3 dxe5
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8 b4 Na6 f4 d6 Bc3 dxe5 fxe5 Nxd5
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8 b4 Na6 f4 d6 Bc3 dxe5 fxe5 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2062)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 O-O Be2 Kh8 Qb3 Qe8 O-O Nd8 Nb5 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Qa3 Qd8 b4 Na6 f4 d6 Bc3 dxe5 fxe5 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Qb2 Bg5
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6 Nc4 Nbd7 Be2 b5 Na5 Nb6
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6 Nc4 Nbd7 Be2 b5 Na5 Nb6 a4 Nxa4
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bh4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bh4 Bg3 Bf6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bh4 Bg3 Bf6 h4 Re8
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 g3 d5 exd5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bh4 Bg3 Bf6 h4 Re8 Qd2 h5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 g3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bd2
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6 Nc4 Nbd7 Be2 b5 Na5 Nb6 a4 Nxa4 Nxa4 bxa4
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Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Jaimie Wilson (2018)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 f5 e3 Nf6 d4 e4 Ne5 Be7 Bd2 Nb8 Qa4 Kf8 c5 d6 cxd6 cxd6 Nc4 a6 Qa5 Qxa5 Nxa5 b6 Nc4 Nbd7 Be2 b5 Na5 Nb6 a4 Nxa4 Nxa4 bxa4 Rxa4 Bd7
============
Contributors : Jaimie Wilson
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 g3 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Bd2 Nb4 Nb3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bh4 Bg3 Bf6 h4 Re8 Qd2 h5 gxh5 Bf5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 Bf4 O-O Qd2 Nc6 O-O-O Nxd4 Qxd4 a6 f3 b5 g4 c5 Qe3 b4 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bh4 Bg3 Bf6 h4 Re8 Qd2 h5 gxh5 Bf5 h6 a5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qd7 Bf4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4 Ba5 axb5
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qd7 Bf4 Qe6 Qxe6
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4 Ba5 axb5 Bxc3 Kf1
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4 Ba5 axb5 Bxc3 Kf1 Bxa1 Ba3
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4 Ba5 axb5 Bxc3 Kf1 Bxa1 Ba3 a6 b6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4 Ba5 axb5 Bxc3 Kf1 Bxa1 Ba3 a6 b6 cxb6 h4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 h3 Bd7 Nc3 Nxc3 bxc3 Nxe5 Nxe5 Bxb5 a4 Ba5 axb5 Bxc3 Kf1 Bxa1 Ba3 a6 b6 cxb6 h4 Qc8 Rh3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qd7 Bf4 Qe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Nd2
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qd7 Bf4 Qe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Nd2 Rc8 f3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qd7 Bf4 Qe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Nd2 Rc8 f3 g6 Kf2
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2062)
e4 e5 Nf3 d6 d4 exd4 Qxd4 a6 Bc4 Nc6 Qe3 Nf6 Nc3 Be7 O-O O-O a3 Re8 h3 Bf8 Rd1 Be6 Qd3 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qd7 Bf4 Qe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Nd2 Rc8 f3 g6 Kf2 Bg7 Be3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2051)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 d4 exd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nxc6 bxc6 e5 Qe7 Qe2 Nd5 c4 Ba6 b3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bb2 O-O Bg2 Rae8 O-O Bxe5 Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 cxd5 Bxf1 Kxf1 cxd5 Nc3 c6 Bf3 Rb8
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 f6 exf6 Qxf6 Be2 Na5 O-O
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 f6 exf6 Qxf6 Be2 Na5 O-O Bxf3 Bxf3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3 Na6 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 f6 exf6 Qxf6 Be2 Na5 O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 c6 Rae1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 e5 d5 Bb5 Ne4 cxd4 Bb6 Nc3 O-O Be3 Bg4 h3 Bh5 Qc2 Nxc3 bxc3 f6 exf6 Qxf6 Be2 Na5 O-O Bxf3 Bxf3 c6 Rae1 Nc4 Bc1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 cxd5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 cxd5 cxd5 Bf1
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 cxd5 cxd5 Bf1 Nd3 Ncb5
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 cxd5 cxd5 Bf1 Nd3 Ncb5 h5 Kg2
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3 Qxc6 Bg5
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
c4 e5 g3 Nf6 Bg2 c6 Nf3 e4 Nd4 Qb6 e3 d5 Nc3 Bg4 Qb3 Bc5 h3 Bd7 Qxb6 Bxb6 b3 O-O O-O Re8 Ba3 Na6 Rfd1 Nc5 cxd5 cxd5 Bf1 Nd3 Ncb5 h5 Kg2 h4 gxh4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3 Qxc6 Bg5 Bb7 Rc1
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3 Qxc6 Bg5 Bb7 Rc1 Qd6 Bh4
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3 Qxc6 Bg5 Bb7 Rc1 Qd6 Bh4 Ne4 Bg3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3 Qxc6 Bg5 Bb7 Rc1 Qd6 Bh4 Ne4 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Kim Walton (2177)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 Nbd2 Re8 exd5 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb6 dxc6 Qd5 Nb3 Qxc6 Bg5 Bb7 Rc1 Qd6 Bh4 Ne4 Bg3 Nxg3 hxg3 Bd5 Nbd2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1 Nec3 b5
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1 Nec3 b5 cxb5 a6
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1 Nec3 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 O-O
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1 Nec3 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 O-O d6 Bd8
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1 Nec3 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 O-O d6 Bd8 Qd2 Nd5
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2314)
d4 Nf6 Bg5 Ne4 Bf4 c5 f3 Qa5 c3 Nf6 d5 Qb6 b3 e6 e4 exd5 exd5 Bd6 Bg5 Be7 c4 Qc7 Ne2 Qe5 Bc1 Qxa1 Nec3 b5 cxb5 a6 b6 O-O d6 Bd8 Qd2 Nd5 Qxd5 Bf6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5 Qa4 Bg6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5 Qa4 Bg6 Bxc5 Qxc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5 Qa4 Bg6 Bxc5 Qxc5 Qb5 Qxb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5 Qa4 Bg6 Bxc5 Qxc5 Qb5 Qxb5 Bxb5 e4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5 Qa4 Bg6 Bxc5 Qxc5 Qb5 Qxb5 Bxb5 e4 Bxc6 exf3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Kazimierz Suwara (1940)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nf3
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1940)
d4 c5 d5 e5 e4 d6 c4 Be7 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3
Transpose to wikichess #16213#
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 Nf6 d3 Bc5 c3 O-O O-O d5 exd5 Qxd5 Bc4 Qd8 Nbd2 a5 h3 h6 Re1 Qd6 Nf1 Rd8 Be3 Bf5 Qa4 Bg6 Bxc5 Qxc5 Qb5 Qxb5 Bxb5 e4 Bxc6 exf3 Bxf3 Bxd3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5 Bxd5 Nf5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5 Bxd5 Nf5 Bc6 Nxg7
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5 Bxd5 Nf5 Bc6 Nxg7 Kxg7 f3
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5 Bxd5 Nf5 Bc6 Nxg7 Kxg7 f3 Bxb5 axb5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5 Bxd5 Nf5 Bc6 Nxg7 Kxg7 f3 Bxb5 axb5 Rxa1 Qxa1
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2274)
e4 c5 Nf3 d6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nf6 Nc3 a6 Rg1 b5 Nd5 Nxd5 exd5 Bb7 c4 g6 cxb5 Bg7 Be3 O-O a4 axb5 Bxb5 Bxd5 Nf5 Bc6 Nxg7 Kxg7 f3 Bxb5 axb5 Rxa1 Qxa1 e5 Ke2
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3
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Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3 dxe4 dxe4
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Nxe5 Qh4 d4 Qxe4 Be3 Bb6
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Kazimierz Suwara (1936)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Ne2
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Nxe5 Qh4 d4 Qxe4 Be3 Bb6 Nd2 Qh4
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Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Nxe5 Qh4 d4 Qxe4 Be3 Bb6 Nd2 Qh4 Bc4 Nh6
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Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Kazimierz Suwara (1936)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Nxe5 Qh4 d4 Qxe4 Be3 Bb6 Nd2 Qh4 Bc4 Nh6 Ndf3 Qh5
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Kazimierz Suwara (1936)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6 Bxf6 exf6
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Nxe5 Qh4 d4 Qxe4 Be3 Bb6 Nd2 Qh4 Bc4 Nh6 Ndf3 Qh5 g4 Qh3
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d5 Bb5 Bd6 Nf3 f6 c4 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Qc2
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Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 d5 Bb5 Bd6 Nf3 f6 c4 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Qc2 Be6 Nc3
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Kazimierz Suwara (1936)
d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 Nc6 Bxf6 exf6 e3 f5
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 Nc3
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Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Kazimierz Suwara (1936)
e4 c5 d4 cxd4 Ne2 e5 Nd2
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Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Kazimierz Suwara (1936)
d4 f5 c4 Nf6 g3 e6 Bg2 Bb4 Bd2 Bxd2
============
Contributors : Kazimierz Suwara
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3
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Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Be3
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban (1850)
e4 c6 c4 d5 d3 dxe4 dxe4 Qxd1 Kxd1 Nf6 Nc3 e5 Nf3 Bc5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3
============
Contributors : Xavier Miguel Jimenez Alban
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bxf6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bxf6 Bxf6 e3
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bxf6 Bxf6 e3 O-O Bd3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bxf6 Bxf6 e3 O-O Bd3 d6 O-O
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bxf6 Bxf6 e3 O-O Bd3 d6 O-O e5 c3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
d4 Nf6 Nf3 g6 Bg5 Bg7 Bxf6 Bxf6 e3 O-O Bd3 d6 O-O e5 c3 Nc6 d5
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 c3 Be7 e3 c5 d4
Transpose to wikichess #240164#
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4 h5 Nde5
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4 h5 Nde5 hxg6 hxg6
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4 h5 Nde5 hxg6 hxg6 Nh3 Bxh3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4 h5 Nde5 hxg6 hxg6 Nh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 Qd6
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4 h5 Nde5 hxg6 hxg6 Nh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 Qd6 Bxc6 bxc6
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2214)
e4 c5 b3 g6 Bb2 Nf6 e5 Nd5 Qf3 Nb4 Na3 Bg7 e6 O-O Bxg7 Kxg7 exf7 d5 c3 N4c6 Qg3 Nd7 Bb5 e5 h4 e4 h5 Nde5 hxg6 hxg6 Nh3 Bxh3 Rxh3 Qd6 Bxc6 bxc6 Ke2 Rh8
============
Contributors : Kim Walton
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3 e4 Nh4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3 e4 Nh4 Bxc5 Nf5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 Ra6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3 e4 Nh4 Bxc5 Nf5 Qe6 Qxe6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 Ra6 Nd2 Nd4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3 e4 Nh4 Bxc5 Nf5 Qe6 Qxe6 fxe6 Be3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 Ra6 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3 e4 Nh4 Bxc5 Nf5 Qe6 Qxe6 fxe6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 Ra6 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Nb3 Qd6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 g3 d5 Bg2 Bb4 Nd2 O-O Ngf3 dxc4 Qc2 c5 dxc5 Nc6 O-O e5 Qxc4 Be6 Qc2 Qe7 Nb3 Bxb3 Qxb3 e4 Nh4 Bxc5 Nf5 Qe6 Qxe6 fxe6 Be3 Bxe3 Nxe3 Nd4 Rfd1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 Ra6 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Nb3 Qd6 Nc5 Bxc5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 dxc4 e4 g5 Bg3 b5 Be2 Bb7 O-O Nbd7 Ne5 Bg7 Nxf7 Kxf7 e5 Nd5 Ne4 Ke7 Nd6 Qb6 a4 Raf8 Bf3 a6 Bxd5 cxd5 Kh1 Rhg8
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2317)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nf3 Nc6 g3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 Bg2 Bc5 O-O O-O d3 h6 Nxd5 Qxd5 Bd2 Rd8 Qc2 Qd6 a3 a5 Rac1 Bb6 Be3 Ra6 Nd2 Nd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Nb3 Qd6 Nc5 Bxc5 Qxc5 c6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6
============
Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6 Bxc7 Bf5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6 Bxc7 Bf5 Rad1 Bxd3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6 Bxc7 Bf5 Rad1 Bxd3 Rxd3 Rac8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6 Bxc7 Bf5 Rad1 Bxd3 Rxd3 Rac8 Bd6 Bf8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6 Bxc7 Bf5 Rad1 Bxd3 Rxd3 Rac8 Bd6 Bf8 f4 Red8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2278)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 d4 Nxe4 Bd3 d5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc3 Nxe5 dxe5 Nxc3 bxc3 Bc5 O-O O-O Qh5 g6 Qh6 Re8 Bg5 Bf8 Bxd8 Bxh6 Bxc7 Bf5 Rad1 Bxd3 Rxd3 Rac8 Bd6 Bf8 f4 Red8 Bxf8 Kxf8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nf4 Nxg3
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nf4 Nxg3 fxg3 Qd6
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nf4 Nxg3 fxg3 Qd6 Na4 Bd7
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nf4 Nxg3 fxg3 Qd6 Na4 Bd7 Nh5 Bh8
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 f5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 e3 Nf6 Bg3 d6 h4 g4 Nc3 Bg7 Bc4 d5 Bd3 Nh5 Nge2 Nc6 Qd2 e5 O-O-O e4 Bb5 O-O Bxc6 bxc6 Nf4 Nxg3 fxg3 Qd6 Na4 Bd7 Nh5 Bh8 Qc3 a5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 e3 Bf5 Qf3 Bg6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7 Nh4 Be7 Ne2 Bb4
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 e3 Bf5 Qf3 Bg6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7 Nh4 Be7 Ne2 Bb4 Kd1 a5
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Contributors : Mark Lim
Mark Lim (2095)
d4 d5 c4 e6 Nc3 Nf6 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 c6 e3 Bf5 Qf3 Bg6 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Nf3 Nd7 Nh4 Be7 Ne2 Bb4 Kd1 a5 Ng3 a4
============
Contributors : Mark Lim
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bf4 c5 dxc5 Nc6 Nf3 O-O
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 Be7 Kh1
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 Be7 Kh1 Bf6 f5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6 Rfd1 e5
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6 Rfd1 e5 dxe5 Be6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 Be7 Kh1 Bf6 f5 Ne7 Bxa6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 Be7 Kh1 Bf6 f5 Ne7 Bxa6 Rxa6 fxe6
============
Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6 Rfd1 e5 dxe5 Be6 Qb2 Qb8
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bh4 Qg6
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6 Rfd1 e5 dxe5 Be6 Qb2 Qb8 Bc5 Bxh3
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6 Rfd1 e5 dxe5 Be6 Qb2 Qb8 Bc5 Bxh3 gxh3 Bc7
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 d5 c4 dxc4 e4 b5 a4 c6 axb5 cxb5 Nc3 Qb6 Be3 e6 Be2 Bb4 Nh3 Ne7 O-O O-O Na2 Ba5 b4 cxb3 Qxb3 Nbc6 Rfd1 e5 dxe5 Be6 Qb2 Qb8 Bc5 Bxh3 gxh3 Bc7 Bd6 b4
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bh4 Qg6 Bd3 Qe6
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
e4 c5 Nf3 e6 d4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 Nc3 Qc7 Be3 a6 Qf3 b5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Bd3 b4 Nb1 a5 O-O Ba6 Nd2 Ne7 Qh5 Ng6 f4 Be7 Kh1 Bf6 f5 Ne7 Bxa6 Rxa6 fxe6 Qxe6 Nb3
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bh4 Qg6 Bd3 Qe6 Qb3 Bxc3
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bh4 Qg6 Bd3 Qe6 Qb3 Bxc3 bxc3 Na5
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Leonardo Simal Moreira (2361)
d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nc3 Bb4 Qc2 d5 cxd5 exd5 Bg5 h6 Bh4 g5 Bg3 Nc6 e3 h5 Bb5 Bd7 h4 Ne4 Nf3 g4 Ng5 Nxg5 hxg5 Qxg5 Bh4 Qg6 Bd3 Qe6 Qb3 Bxc3 bxc3 Na5 Qb4 b6
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Contributors : Leonardo Simal Moreira
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 c6 f4 d5 exd5 cxd5 d4 Bf5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5
Transpose to wikichess #181784#
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8 Rxf8 O-O
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8 Rxf8 O-O Kd6 Nc3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8 Rxf8 O-O Kd6 Nc3 c6 Rfe1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8 Rxf8 O-O Kd6 Nc3 c6 Rfe1 Ng5 Re3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8 Rxf8 O-O Kd6 Nc3 c6 Rfe1 Ng5 Re3 Ne6 Rd1
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 c3 Nf6 d4 exd4 cxd4 Bb4 Bd2 Nxe4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Bxf7 Kxf7 Qb3 d5 Ne5 Ke6 Qxb4 Qf8 Qxf8 Rxf8 O-O Kd6 Nc3 c6 Rfe1 Ng5 Re3 Ne6 Rd1 Bd7 a3
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 c6 dxc6
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 b3
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 b3 d5 Bb2
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
c4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 Nd5 Nxd5 cxd5 c6 dxc6 Nxc6 b3 d5 Bb2 Bd6 d4
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e5 a4 b5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Bxc6 dxc6 O-O Bg4 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 e5 a4 b5 Qg3 f6
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc6
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc6 a5 Nxe7
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc6 a5 Nxe7 Kxe7 d5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc6 a5 Nxe7 Kxe7 d5 Nf6 Re1
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 Nxe4 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf3 f5 Nc3 a6 Qe2 b5 O-O-O b4 Na4 Qd5 c4 Qa5 Qe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nd7 Nc6 a5 Nxe7 Kxe7 d5 Nf6 Re1 Rd8 g3
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Bc5 Rfc8
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Timofey Denisov (2266)
d4 Nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Rb1 O-O Be2 cxd4 cxd4 Qa5 Bd2 Qxa2 O-O Bg4 Bg5 h6 Be3 Nc6 d5 Ne5 Bc5 Rfc8 Bxe7 Rc2
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Contributors : Timofey Denisov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Nb5 Qxd4 Nxd4 Ke7 h4 Nc5 Rh3 Bd7
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bf1 e4
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Nb5 Qxd4 Nxd4 Ke7 h4 Nc5 Rh3 Bd7 Rc3 Rhc8
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bf1 e4 Nd4 Qf6
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Nb5 Qxd4 Nxd4 Ke7 h4 Nc5 Rh3 Bd7 Rc3 Rhc8 Be2 a6
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Nb5 Qxd4 Nxd4 Ke7 h4 Nc5 Rh3 Bd7 Rc3 Rhc8 Be2 a6 O-O-O b5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bf1 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc4
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Bc5 Qd2 Nxd4 Bxd4 Bxd4 Qxd4 Qb6 Nb5 Qxd4 Nxd4 Ke7 h4 Nc5 Rh3 Bd7 Rc3 Rhc8 Be2 a6 O-O-O b5 Rh3 b4
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bf1 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc4 d3 Ne5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bf1 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc4 d3 Ne5 Nb5 Bb8
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2304)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Na5 Bb5 c6 dxc6 bxc6 Bd3 Nd5 Nf3 Bd6 O-O O-O Re1 Re8 Nc3 f5 Nxd5 cxd5 Bf1 e4 Nd4 Qf6 c3 Nc4 d3 Ne5 Nb5 Bb8 dxe4 dxe4
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5 Nxc5 Be3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6 Bb3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7 e5 Bxe5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6 Bb3 Be4 Nd4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7 e5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7 e5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Re1 Qf6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6 Bb3 Be4 Nd4 Nxe5 f3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7 e5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Re1 Qf6 Qe2 h6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6 Bb3 Be4 Nd4 Nxe5 f3 Bd3 Re1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7 e5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Re1 Qf6 Qe2 h6 Bd3 Rc8
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 e5 O-O Bd6 c3 a6 Ba4 b5 Bc2 Nge7 a4 b4 d4 cxd4 cxd4 Nxd4 Nxd4 exd4 Nd2 Qc7 Nf3 Bb7 e5 Bxe5 Nxe5 Qxe5 Re1 Qf6 Qe2 h6 Bd3 Rc8 Bd2 Rc6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bb5 a6 Ba4 Nf6 O-O Nxe4 d4 b5 Bb3 d5 dxe5 Be6 c3 Bc5 Nbd2 O-O Bc2 Bf5 Nb3 Bg6 Nxc5 Nxc5 Be3 Ne6 Bb3 Be4 Nd4 Nxe5 f3 Bd3 Re1 Bg6 Nxe6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2 Ba3 Bxa3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2 Ba3 Bxa3 Qxa3 Nf1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2 Ba3 Bxa3 Qxa3 Nf1 c5 dxc5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2 Ba3 Bxa3 Qxa3 Nf1 c5 dxc5 Qxc5 Nf4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2 Ba3 Bxa3 Qxa3 Nf1 c5 dxc5 Qxc5 Nf4 Nc6 Ng3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
b3 e5 Bb2 Nc6 e3 Nf6 Bb5 Bd6 Na3 Na5 Be2 a6 Nh3 Qe7 Nb1 b5 O-O O-O d4 Re8 Re1 exd4 exd4 Bb7 Nd2 Ba3 Bxa3 Qxa3 Nf1 c5 dxc5 Qxc5 Nf4 Nc6 Ng3 Nd4 Qd2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2 Ng6 Rd1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2 Ng6 Rd1 Nf4 Bf1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2 Ng6 Rd1 Nf4 Bf1 Qg4 Kh1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2 Ng6 Rd1 Nf4 Bf1 Qg4 Kh1 Be6 Rb1
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2 Ng6 Rd1 Nf4 Bf1 Qg4 Kh1 Be6 Rb1 Rac8 Rb5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5 b4 Bxb4 c3 Ba5 d4 d6 Qb3 Qd7 O-O Bb6 Nbd2 Na5 Qc2 Ne7 dxe5 O-O exd6 cxd6 Be2 Ng6 Rd1 Nf4 Bf1 Qg4 Kh1 Be6 Rb1 Rac8 Rb5 Rc5 Rxc5
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Qh4 Qf2
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Qh4 Qf2 Qxf2 Kxf2
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Qh4 Qf2 Qxf2 Kxf2 Be7 Rhb1
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 e6 d4 d5 Nc3 Nf6 e5 Nfd7 f4 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 cxd4 Nxd4 Qb6 Qd2 Qxb2 Rb1 Qa3 Bb5 Nxd4 Bxd4 a6 Bxd7 Bxd7 Rb3 Qe7 Rxb7 Qh4 Qf2 Qxf2 Kxf2 Be7 Rhb1 Bd8 Rb8
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qc5 Nd6 Nxd5 Kd7
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qc5 Nd6 Nxd5 Kd7 Nc3 Qb6
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qc5 Nd6 Nxd5 Kd7 Nc3 Qb6 Qh5 Ke8
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qc5 Nd6 Nxd5 Kd7 Nc3 Qb6 Qh5 Ke8 O-O Nf5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qc5 Nd6 Nxd5 Kd7 Nc3 Qb6 Qh5 Ke8 O-O Nf5 Qg4 Rc8
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Vladimir Orlov (2350)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 c4 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Nf3 Bg4 cxd5 Nxd5 Qb3 Bxf3 gxf3 e6 Qxb7 Nxd4 Bb5 Nxb5 Qc6 Ke7 Qc5 Nd6 Nxd5 Kd7 Nc3 Qb6 Qh5 Ke8 O-O Nf5 Qg4 Rc8 Rd1 Bc5
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Contributors : Vladimir Orlov
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6 b4 Kb8
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6 b4 Kb8 Rc1 Rc8
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6 b4 Kb8 Rc1 Rc8 a3 Rhd8
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6 b4 Kb8 Rc1 Rc8 a3 Rhd8 Be3 Ka8
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6 b4 Kb8 Rc1 Rc8 a3 Rhd8 Be3 Ka8 Be2 Bd6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
e4 c6 d4 d5 exd5 cxd5 Bd3 Nc6 c3 Qc7 h3 Nf6 Nf3 g6 O-O Bf5 Ne1 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nd2 Nd7 Bh6 O-O-O Ndf3 Nf6 b4 Kb8 Rc1 Rc8 a3 Rhd8 Be3 Ka8 Be2 Bd6 Nd3 Bxd3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3 Bg7 Bg2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3 Bg7 Bg2 a5 O-O
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3 Bg7 Bg2 a5 O-O Ra7 Ra2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3 Bg7 Bg2 a5 O-O Ra7 Ra2 e5 dxe6
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3 Bg7 Bg2 a5 O-O Ra7 Ra2 e5 dxe6 dxe6 Qxd8
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Contributors : Kim Walton
Kim Walton (2234)
d4 Nf6 g3 c5 d5 b5 a4 b4 c4 g6 Nh3 Bg7 Bg2 a5 O-O Ra7 Ra2 e5 dxe6 dxe6 Qxd8 Kxd8 Nd2
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Contributors : Kim Walton
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