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Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-05 15:19:03)
FICGS world championship
Hello to all.
Please post here all your questions / suggestions about the FICGS world championship rules.
There are many answers to bring yet : about the building of groups, who exactly will play which stage, etc...
It seems that many players like this scheme : knockout / round-robin tournament, that is more fair and much more interesting than a pure round-robin cycle. The final match rules are particularly hard (24 games, 30 days + 1 day / move), but I think it's a good way to make it different and give value to the title. Rules are not far from the old classical world championship, the champion will only play the next final match against the challenger...
FICGS WCH Rules :
http://www.ficgs.com/membership.html#tournament
Thibault de Vassal (2006-05-06 16:58:07)
FICGS cup...
Bonjour Sebastien.
Non, pas encore. D'abord pour ne pas multiplier les tournois, au risque de diviser leur popularité. Le problème reste d'imaginer une formule un peu originale, qui ne ressemble pas trop au championnat du monde (donc peut-être éviter le classique cycle de tournois round-robin). A suivre...
(about a FICGS cup, the problem is to imagine an original scheme, that doesn't look like too much to the FICGS world championship... a classical round-robin cycle is maybe 'not enough' to justify this special event)
Thibault de Vassal (2006-06-15 16:36:17)
Criteria
Hello Dorel and Daniel.
As you noticed, rating is quite important in FICGS world championship cycle (particularly established ratings, obtained from IECG / ICCF or after 9 games finished in FICGS) !
I think these rules are really the best choice in order to designate a world champion. It's more logical IMO to favour players who obtained previously the best results in FICGS and recognized organizations, and consequently a high rating. It takes time, of course. Even very strong players starting with a 1700 rating won't achieve a 2300 established rating before months !
Criterias in FICGS wch are (from most important to least) :
1) Winner of the previous cycle (qualify for the final match)
2) The eight best established ratings (play the KO tournament)
3) Points obtained in the wch tournaments
4) The tournament entry rating (TER)
Of course, there are some provisional ratings that will increase a lot, but it is not possible to grant a 2300 rating to any player saying so. It's already a lot of time gained that ratings from FIDE, ICCF, IECG be recognized.
Finally it is the same in IECG / ICCF : it's very hard to achieve a high rating, it's very hard to directly qualify for a 2nd stage too, it takes months, probably years in email chess...
Now, please consider this, if we start 1st wch at stage 1 : It won't change anything for your play, as the 1st stage of the 2nd wch is exactly the same... 2300+ players won't play before months... and if the rule is changed about 2300 mark and everyone playing 1st stage, probably all games for 2300+ players won't be rated with a 100% result... and at last it will be harder for you to qualify for 2nd stage...
It is a hard work to write rules as fair, balanced and interesting as possible. Rules can't satisfy everyone, sorry about that.
Thibault de Vassal (2006-10-28 15:59:37)
Chess quizz :-)
I see the interview (1) was also published on Chessbase news..
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3454
Some other questions...
3/ Will Kasparov return at competitive chess ?
4/ Will Kramnik defend his new FIDE title ?
5/ How many years Kirsan Iljumzhinov will still remain FIDE president ?
6/ Will Fritz 10 beat Kramnik ??
7/ Will chess be solved by a super computer in the next 200 years ?
8/ Who will win the 1st FICGS world championship ? :)
... my answers :
2/ Boris Spassky
3/ Yes !
4/ No
5/ 8 years
6/ No
7/ No
8/ Joker :)
Ivan Pljusnin (2008-01-27 16:43:11)
Team complectation
FICGS team could be much stronger, I think. Some of your players have lost their games by time. Imagine, you replace them with winners of FICGS World Championship and other strong tournaments of FICGS. FICGS result would be much better...
In fact I do not believe neither in official correspondence chess titles nor in ratings. They do not show real strength very often. On IGAME the best part of our team is anonymous players, I think. Their achievements in this match are just fantastic. 9 members of IGAME team who play under imaginary names have now 14.5 of 17! Owl (here he is "Dojnikov") is going to win his last game. Probably he is our best fighter.
P.S. If I was allowed to play as Mobutu, I'd play stronger!:-)
Thibault de Vassal (2008-05-24 16:36:19)
Tournament winner in WCH
This is true in WCH round-robin tournaments only !
I explained why I've chosen this rule in previous threads, ie. :
>>
As you noticed, rating is quite important in FICGS world championship cycle (particularly established ratings, obtained from IECG / ICCF or after 9 games finished in FICGS) !
I think these rules are really the best choice in order to designate a world champion. It's more logical IMO to favour players who obtained previously the best results at FICGS and recognized organizations, and consequently a high rating. It takes time, of course. Even very strong players starting with a 1700 rating won't achieve a 2300 established rating before months !
Criterias in FICGS wch are (from most important to least) :
1) Winner of the previous cycle (qualify for the final match)
2) The eight best established ratings (play the KO tournament)
3) Points obtained in the wch tournaments
4) The tournament entry rating (TER)
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Garvin Gray (2012-01-03 15:12:04)
Different tournament format
I am surprised Daniel Parmet has not replied to this topic considering my proposal should be much more acceptable to him than the current ficgs world championship design/format.
Where are you Daniel?
Ramil Germanes (2012-04-21 00:49:35)
Slow tournament entries
Garvin and Thib:
The way I see it, the problem is not how many registered players here in ficgs but how many wants to play.
Look at the case of the ficgs world championship. why there so many wanted to play? the waiting list fills up quickly. because they know that there is more to gain than to lose in the championship.
Not like in a tournament that higher rated players tend to refrain in joining due to possible loss of rating points with very little to gain.
Also even if more players registered here, but if they waited very long for others to fill the waiting list then they might lose interest and might not play or even come back again. (This is also what I felt before when I first join here.) And we also see many players in the rating list without games played and not connected here for a long time. Maybe this is the reason why.
Anyway these are just my observations and not pushing Thib to change the way I see it.
Garvin Gray (2012-04-24 15:01:32)
Ficgs World Cup
Following discussions about slow tournament entries, bracket and band rating issues and many other topics, a common item that came out of those discussions is that trying a modified version of the ficgs world championship is worth a trial.
So Ficgs World Cup sounds like a good name.
Format:
In the Ficgs world championship, there are many different qualifying stages, depending on your finishing position from the last cycle, your rating at the time of entry and the strength and total number of the other entrants.
While this format is very good for the concept envisaged when it was created, I think a ficgs world cup, with a format that will be explained below is required to cover a few gaps that are in the ficgs world championship.
The ficgs world cup will work as follows.
1) Everyone enters before a certain date, say June 1st 2012.
2) As soon as entries close, that is it. Entries are not taken after this date and there are NO replacements. The groups are meant to be of equal strength. Adding a new player can distort this.
3) Entrants are then divided into groups of roughly equal strength. Highest rated person is seed 1 in Group A, 2nd highest rated person is seed 1 in Group B. Serpentine pairings are used to allocate all players to each group.
4) How many players and how many groups is determined after the entries have closed. I would think that there will be probably 11 groups of 11 players (121 entries in total). It might be likely that we have to have three stages, depending on total number of entries.
5) 1 person from each group qualifies for the final stage. This is determined by total score, total wins and then TER. This does differ from the tie break formula of the FicgsWCH.
Pros:
1) Everyone gets a game against players of different ratings, no segregated groups or players
2) Everyone starts from stage one
3) The format is clear to understand
Cons:
1) May not be as tempting to the highest rated players (fear of loss of rating points)
2) Might take longer to finish
In my opinion, this is a format that deserves a couple of trial events to see if it is successful
Garvin Gray (2013-12-28 02:42:08)
Ficgs World Championship 13
Been asked in the results thread, thought I would bring it across to here.
When is it going to start?
I have a secondary comment and suggestion that relates to starting time. Number 12 and the groups from 10 and 11 all started at the same time. That loaded a lot of games at the same time, which I certainly found to be a huge impost and impacted on the standard of play.
I went in one day from only having a few games, to having 10 Round Robin Final games, a second stage final plus a first stage M division all started at the same time.
All these games were started at exactly the same time. Not even a week apart from each other.
I really do wish for this upcoming cycle that the divisions do not start at the same time.
For instances, there is no reason why entries for number 13 could not be open now with the idea of starting February 1.
Then all the second stages/knockouts from previous groups could start in March, which has been commented on by Thib in the chat bar.
Thibault de Vassal (2013-12-29 18:12:25)
Ficgs World Championship 13
March 1st, 2014... 8 months after the previous one, as usual.
I understand that starting all new rounds at the same time is quite heavy but at least it is clear, including for me :)
Anyway, let's gather a few opinions on this to discuss it further.
Garvin Gray (2013-12-29 23:37:42)
Ficgs World Championship 13
Just because it is clear, does not mean it is best. As you quite often have said. This event is meant to be about finding the best player, hence quite a few of the rules which I do not agree with, but that is your justification.
So if that is the justification, then starting so many games at the same time can not help the standard of play and then hence can not help in getting through as many of the best players as possible.
Peter W. Anderson (2013-12-30 10:00:31)
Ficgs World Championship 13
I am not sure that having lots of games starting at exactly the same time is really the problem. Having lots of them running simultaneously seems to be the issue to me and I don't see how that can be avoided without slowing down the world championship cycles.
I'll recount my own recent experience. I had a cycle 12 quarter final starting 2/7/13 and a cycle 11 semi-final starting 3/7/13. That I could manage OK. Then I had a cycle 10 round robin final starting 29/7/13. This gave 26 games and I did find this quite a strain. I don't think that overall it was any better than if the round robin had started at the beginning of July. Yes I had nearly a month with only 16 games, but on the other hand some of those 16 games were reaching difficult points and requiring lots of time when I had to start the extra 10.
If the round robin final had been started in say September or October then it would have been easier for me but that seems to be introducing an unacceptable delay.
Peter W. Anderson (2015-06-14 17:52:04)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
I recently played in an Infinity Chess freestyle event and was impressed by one of their tiebreak rules. If scores were tied a player got a bonus if he had stalemated an opponent.
I would like to suggest this is adopted in the matches (not tournaments) in the FICGS world championship and that is it the first tiebreak rule applied, i.e before ratings and whether wins or only draws have been played. I would also suggest it is adopted for the title matches too. Perhaps it could be introduced from the 15th cycle onwards or even in existing cycles (11 to 14) where a match has not begun.
This seems a very fair tiebreak rule to me, which would normally reflect who overall played better (came closer to winning) in a drawn match, especially where all games are drawn.
The only disadvantage I can see to this rule is that it would prolong games as some that would currently be agreed drawn would in future be played through to stalemate.
On the other hand it would get us thinking hard about which drawn endgames lead to stalemate and which don't and that in itself is quite interesting.
Garvin Gray (2015-12-16 11:39:44)
TER rating calculation
You have now changed the conversation.
Originally it was about ratings and how rating changes are made and why TER and current ratings are used, and I answered part of that conversation, which was not fully explored.
Now you have changed the topic to talking about matches and TER's. That is a different conversation altogether. And then you are debating the format of the ficgs world championship knockout system, which has been debated so often on here.
It is contained in about every tenth thread.
Please choose a topic to discuss. Which is it?
Garvin Gray (2016-01-17 15:44:55)
Wch Match Tie Break Rules
Alexis Alban: I apologise if my reply seems a little bit harsh, but are you entering the conversation half way through and have not read the entire thread and preceding discussions?
This thread deals solely with the FICGS World championship and its format, mainly in particular with what happens with drawn matches in the knockout stages.
No one has suggested AT ALL, that the champion has to start again from the beginning (from round one).
That format, what I really wish Thibault would get started on with starting, is from the FICGS world cup, which is a different tournament entirely. It is a completely different structure, with different aims. If you wish to debate that tournament, please move your discussion to that thread.
I am really am trying to work hard to try and prevent thread drift.
Zack Stephen (2018-01-06 13:08:56)
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Is it too late to join the World Championship tournament? If not when will the first round begin?
Thibault de Vassal (2018-01-06 20:43:12)
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Hi Zack,
The waiting lists will be open in a few weeks, all tournaments should start on March 1st, 2018.
Herbert Kruse (2021-06-26 22:13:03)
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Is it too late to join the World Championship tournament? If not when will the first round begin?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-06-27 00:19:49)
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Copy-paste? Is it a mistake? (anyway, you're in already)
Thibault de Vassal (2021-06-27 00:36:12)
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Damn, it was 8 months ago already... thanks for the reminder! Waiting lists are open...
Garvin Gray (2021-07-03 18:06:08)
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What is the situation for Groups of less than 7 players for this event?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-04 00:50:58)
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"Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players, there may be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players."
Garvin Gray (2021-07-04 03:40:06)
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So despite all the debates and assurances, nothing has changed for this rule. You are not changing from 'may be' to 'will be'.
As in - "Round-robin tournaments are groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players, there will be double round-robin tournaments in case of groups of less than 7 players."
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-04 13:31:17)
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In the other discussion I specified: "Garvin, that thread (13002) was about FICGS Wch, not FICGS Cup... I added the possibility only of double round robin in Wch because I was not sure it was necessary in every stages (obviously it finds more sense in a round robin final than in stage 1), but anyway I could make it more accurate."
So, in all ways, it sounds like I didn't specify that all 5 players groups in WCH should be double round robin.
Garvin Gray (2021-07-05 08:37:02)
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I added the possibility only of double round robin in Wch because I was not sure it was necessary in every stages (obviously it finds more sense in a round robin final than in stage 1), but anyway I could make it more accurate."
So, in all ways, it sounds like I didn't specify that all 5 players groups in WCH should be double round robin.
Garvin - Are you now specifying that ALL 5 player groups will now be double round robins?
As for the first part, I think actually a DRR (double round robin) in stage 1 is just as important, if not more so.
Here is why.
Players are seeded from 1 to the last player across the groups, going back and forth across the groups to seed the second seeds, third seeds and so forth.
This then can produce large differences in ratings between the players in some groups, and in others, very small differences between the top two seeds.
And it is for this fact, and then that players 3, 4 and 5 are then going to be very far rated below seeds 1 and 2, that a double round robin is necessary.
Otherwise, the number 1 seed gains a rather large advantage by being white against the number two seed.
A double round robin in all groups that are 5 player avoids all these issues. It is only 8 games total.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-09 01:59:50)
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Of course you make a point there, but it also questions 7 players groups (after all, rating difference between seed 1 & seed 2 is not much lower in average, and 12 games is still feasible in regular groups).
When groups should be double RR or not? Well, I agree that simple RR is not the most fair way, but as I explained about a decade ago, the idea of this championship was not to be the most fair, it was to multiply occurences without loading a too large number of games (and keeping rules as simple as possible, which was not a great success there by the way ^^).
Anyway, I won't say you're wrong, I think it was just a choice like another one.
But we can give it a try (maybe it will be a way to get some impressions & comments), so we'll have 5 players double RR tomorrow if it has to happen.
Herbert Kruse (2021-07-10 13:23:16)
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when will the first round begin?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-11 01:21:11)
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Sorry for the delay, I had to update a tie rule in the chess WCH (if tournament entry ratings are equal) to avoid to make the universe collapse ^^ More seriously, a special case occured and it was not ok with the former rule. The WCH will start on July 11th.
Don Groves (2021-07-11 02:25:26)
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In my opinion, the first tie breaker should be the result of the head-to-head match between the tied olayers. This is how it's done in all major sports.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-11 12:58:27)
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Sure, result decides first, but when it cannot, then ratings have a role to play, finally there must be a clear algorithm to decide in all cases.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-11 17:49:37)
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Here we are, for the first time in the FICGS chess championship, we have 5 players double round robin groups (regular groups, not M / SM groups)... Of course, players are invited to share their impressions on this matter.
Herbert Kruse (2021-07-18 11:23:11)
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when will the first round of poker and big chess begin?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-18 12:14:42)
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Big chess championship just started... We'll have to wait a few more days/weeks for the poker championship.
@ DonGroves: hi Don, did you receive my messages?
Don Groves (2021-07-19 21:40:45)
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My new email is dgrovespdxATgmail.com
Garvin Gray (2021-07-20 01:10:16)
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Thibault,
Are you able to give a start date for all the second stage and third stage chess events?
ie Semi Finals, Stage 2's and Ko's/Round Robin Finals
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-20 15:17:19)
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No, we always have to wait for the end of all deciding games in previous rounds. This time, Ko's final & semi finals started just after the next cycle, but the candidates final is still to start.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-07-20 15:18:36)
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By the way, chess WCH rules have been updated: all 5 players groups will be double round robin from now.
Herbert Kruse (2021-08-14 06:33:57)
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when will the first round of poker begin?
Thibault de Vassal (2021-08-15 13:00:22)
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I still don't know but we cannot start with 13 players... we'll have to wait some more.
Stanislas Gounant (2023-07-23 14:23:08)
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Hi Thibault, When start poker championship
Herbert Kruse (2021-10-19 09:53:24)
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the next world championship can not be played because two players in the Round Robin 20 are playing on forever a completely draw Position
Herbert Kruse (2021-10-19 09:54:22)
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Round Robin 21
Ilmars Cirulis (2021-10-20 17:40:28)
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Wow, indeed. Imho, that game could be adjudicated.
Thibault de Vassal (2021-10-21 00:25:35)
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Yes, I follow this game. Well, it had to happen :) But don't forget that there is no 50 moves rule at FICGS, the game can continue some longer... if there is a forced mate in (e.g.) 157 moves at some point, then it can go on. If the defender has a clear plan to ask for a draw, then he can call the referee to explain it. To be continued.
Herbert Kruse (2022-03-02 09:14:03)
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i am ready, why delay?
Thibault de Vassal (2022-03-03 22:45:26)
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Now 20 of your next games started already :)
Clodomiro Ortiz (2022-03-05 15:03:10)
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as i rememner i lost my last participation in past cch stage i championship,i didnot participate in the waiting list this year yet,then i ask why i was included in stage2 group1
Clodomiro Ortiz (2022-03-05 15:04:34)
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remember
Thibault de Vassal (2022-03-06 00:46:16)
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Clodomiro, you qualified from SM group stage 1. Only one player from this group does not qualify for stage 2 (or stage 3)... Please read chess WCH rules for full explanation.
Clodomiro Ortiz (2022-03-06 12:51:04)
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thank you,nice to remind me
Herbert Kruse (2023-07-06 09:44:07)
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all tournament started only the half
final didn't
Herbert Kruse (2023-07-06 11:57:47)
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FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_1+2__000026
i meant
Thibault de Vassal (2023-07-06 18:10:05)
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It will start today, but not all stage 2 tournaments can start yet.
Stanislas Gounant (2023-07-23 15:53:11)
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18 players now. 3 groups of 6 players ?
Thibault de Vassal (2023-07-27 18:47:42)
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Poker WCH : 19 players in the list... 2 missing
Go WCH : 8 players in the list... 1 missing
Let's be patient, it shouldn't last much.
Stanislas Gounant (2023-07-29 04:30:46)
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Il faut refaire des annonces sur le chat sinon personne ne va s'inscrire. Et ne pas oublier de fermer la waiting list une fois que le tournoi aura démaré
Stanislas Gounant (2023-08-09 00:42:36)
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I try to ask the players of my chess club to join FICGS and the poker championship
Garvin Gray (2023-08-10 15:20:00)
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When will Round Robin 25 be starting, and which 8 players be playing in it?
Looking at the three groups from Stage 2 25, what a mess.
I can see arguments for about 12 qualifying from those 3 groups.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-08-13 02:11:55)
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The 25th round-robin final just started... 7, 9, 11 or at most 13 players should qualify (2 from stage 1 SM group, 1 from each stage 1 M groups, so 4 in total from stage 1, added to the winners of stage 2 groups, 3 in total).
According to the stage 2 results, I added one co-winner (best TER) from each stage 2 groups + the next best TER cowinner (3rd in his group).
Total : 11 players (good luck everyone!)
Garvin Gray (2023-08-16 14:17:48)
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Thank you for starting RR 25. I think for future Wch RR's, that the RR section should be 9 players instead of 8 to ensure that each player gets 4 whites and 4 blacks.
Thibault de Vassal (2023-08-17 03:52:00)
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Did it ever start with 8 players? I think I always make the necessary in this way (and to follow rules that specify groups of 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13 players).
Herbert Kruse (2023-09-02 06:59:44)
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2 Month later ...
Thibault de Vassal (2023-09-05 02:33:30)
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It started, finally.
Garvin Gray (2024-02-09 07:25:21)
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The 2023 Version of this started July 1st. That is the starting date I have gone off for 2024
Thibault de Vassal (2024-02-13 02:26:33)
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Next FICGS WCH will start on March 15th, 2024 (initial date was March 1st). Waiting lists are now open!
Reason for this is that FICGS apps encounter technical problems on Play Store. I hope I'll be able to solve it before these next WCH tournaments start.
Herbert Kruse (2024-04-22 12:44:57)
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World Championship Poker 16 and 17 could go in next stage
Herbert Kruse (2024-04-22 12:46:07)
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i meant 15 and 16, 17 is one game not finished
Herbert Kruse (2024-04-22 12:49:02)
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but the last game in 17 doesnt matter, first place in that is also clear
Herbert Kruse (2024-06-16 11:10:54)
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New Poker wch should start 3 month ago and 33 Players are waiting
Herbert Kruse (2024-10-10 08:28:05)
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its almost time for the next ;)
A. T. S. Broekhuizen (2024-11-08 09:32:10)
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All first round games have been completed. What policy will be applied to ties? In my group, we have a three-way-tie.
Stanislas Gounant (2024-12-29 21:33:40)
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Les prochains championnats débutent quand? Je pense que si il n'y a pas d'annonces régulières sur le chat les gens ne vont pas s'inscrire sur les waiting lists. De même si les waitings lists restent ouvertes alors que les tournois ont commencés cela peut pauser des problèmes
Garvin Gray (2024-12-29 22:32:22)
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When do the next championships start? I think that if there are no regular announcements on the chat people will not register on the waiting lists. Likewise, if the waiting lists remain open even though the tournaments have started, this can cause problems.
Stanislas Gounant (2024-12-29 23:49:39)
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Thank you for the translation
I think Thibault has a better command of the French language than I do. (google translation for this sentence)
Garvin Gray (2024-12-30 00:05:14)
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On this site, Forum topics are meant to be discussed in English
Herbert Kruse (2025-01-10 19:03:27)
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when will it start?
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